**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 02 02:59:57 2008 Feb 02 03:13:13 Hello Everybody Feb 02 03:13:48 Does FreeRunner supports bluetooth? Feb 02 03:14:13 yes Feb 02 03:14:29 It comes with snap-on colours for your teeth, in many shades. Feb 02 03:14:39 Blue, orange, green or even gold. Feb 02 03:14:59 All with the openmoko logo backlighted in orange. Feb 02 03:16:20 SpeedEvil : don't joke Feb 02 03:16:44 Seriously, yes, it supports blutoth Feb 02 03:16:59 see the wiki linked in the topic Feb 02 03:17:34 SpeedEvil : ok Feb 02 03:30:52 But it so should. Feb 02 03:43:02 When I try to connect with gprs, I just get "Connect script failed" Feb 02 03:43:08 Is there a way to get more info? Feb 02 03:43:31 I am just following the script on the wiki, Manually using GPRS Feb 02 03:44:02 I've double checked my gprs-connect-chat, and I don't see anything wrong, but then again, I don't really know what to look for Feb 02 03:59:50 cesarb: I've now booted with the new 2.6.24 kernel. It didn't crash but a lot of stuff is broken (so far: MMC driver broken, sound modules not loading, and /etc/init.d/gsmd not updated for the new /sys paths) Feb 02 04:19:19 wurp2: yeah, that's the issues I have, however, my SIM is quite old, so i'm not sure what the deal is Feb 02 04:19:49 Did you look at the Carriers pages on the wiki to see if anyone had reported yours as an unsupported model? Feb 02 04:20:11 yeah, it is reported in the "do NOT work" table Feb 02 04:20:24 then you should get the update & be good to go, I think Feb 02 04:20:32 It took about 2 weeks round trip for mine :-( Feb 02 04:20:55 bummer. Do i just email Michael to initiate the update process? Feb 02 04:20:59 Yeah Feb 02 04:21:15 He'll send you his address Feb 02 04:21:25 well, I guess i can't really do anything else at this point Feb 02 04:21:33 that was my position :-) Feb 02 04:22:03 Although honestly I spend about 10x as much time playing in terminal, listening to music, or using the gps than I do on the phone Feb 02 04:22:17 thank you, wurp2 Feb 02 04:22:18 well, if you count listening to music, make that 100s of times Feb 02 04:22:24 you're welcome :-) Feb 02 04:22:32 heh, i haven't begun playing with those functions yet Feb 02 04:23:01 what GPS programs can you mess around with? Feb 02 04:23:07 navit Feb 02 04:23:20 I want to get pyroute running at a reasonable speed on it Feb 02 04:23:37 but for now, navit works pretty much out of the box... after a little config Feb 02 04:23:57 There are a couple of other ones, but I dunno the names Feb 02 04:26:01 does navit come on the rootfs or must that be manually added? Feb 02 04:27:18 manually installed Feb 02 04:27:36 in fact, pm me with your email address and I'll email you the one I was sent :-) Feb 02 04:30:09 wurp2: are you getting my messages? Feb 02 04:30:20 yep Feb 02 04:30:23 I replied... Feb 02 04:30:32 But if you can't read my replies, no prob Feb 02 04:30:46 just do the same thing you did before, but with your email address :-) Feb 02 04:30:56 /msg wurp2 blah@someplace.net Feb 02 04:31:06 hmm....i didn't get them. are you registered with NickServ? Feb 02 04:31:15 I should be Feb 02 04:31:28 got it Feb 02 04:34:30 got your email, thanks! Feb 02 04:35:13 np Feb 02 04:51:57 There may be people available to upload the GSM firmware, im waiting a response to that question officially Feb 02 09:26:14 hey, I wrote a little GPS app, displaying osm maps. Its fast and lightweight. If you want to give it a go, it is at tangogps.org Feb 02 09:30:33 gamin: globals.h:2:32: error: gconf/gconf-client.h: No such file or directory Feb 02 09:31:07 (on Gentoo, not OpenMoko) Feb 02 09:31:44 Tronic: that points to the wrong location, yes Feb 02 09:33:01 Are you missing pkg-config --cflags from the build flags? Feb 02 09:34:28 Tronic: yeh, I had a porblem with gconf-2 there and the crosscompile, you need to Feb 02 09:34:43 change the makefile.am in src Feb 02 09:34:46 gps.h is also missing. Feb 02 09:35:14 Is that a part of gpsd or what? Feb 02 09:35:19 Tronic: gps.h is in the gpsd package Feb 02 09:36:34 Tronic: you will get many plenty compiler warnings, the code is not yet cleaned up Feb 02 09:37:42 Have to install gpds (and 8 other deps of it) first, this takes a while. Feb 02 09:37:52 *gpsd Feb 02 09:39:09 Tronic: you have a neo too? Feb 02 09:40:02 Nope. Feb 02 09:40:47 I won't buy one until they have decent hardware (HSPA, etc) and good software. Feb 02 09:41:46 gamin: Please add zoom to mouse wheel (like in Google Maps). Feb 02 09:42:26 Tronic: ah yes - my primary use is on the neo, but I can add it Feb 02 09:42:59 I would also prefer smooth zooming, but that might not quite be doable with the phone. Feb 02 09:43:42 Also, when panning, it would be nice if the map was repainted all the time and not only after releasing the mouse button. Feb 02 09:44:02 Tronic: that is a mobile cpu constraint... Feb 02 09:44:22 however, I will make the underlying pixbuf bigger Feb 02 09:44:39 If you optimize the drawing, it shouldn't use much more that way. Feb 02 09:44:52 lowres redraw? Feb 02 09:44:56 (i.e. don't redraw the entire screen, just the dirty areas. Feb 02 09:44:57 ) Feb 02 09:45:08 ahven: That doesn't seem to be a good idea in general. Feb 02 09:45:27 But the software looks really good already. Feb 02 09:46:00 I'll install that also on my laptop and drive around a bit to see how it does with the GPS. Feb 02 09:46:12 Tronic: tanks. cool. Feb 02 09:47:55 screen usage and speed was paramount for me. maemo-mapper has become pretty slow and gpsdrive puts too many things on screen - nevertheless, both are nice apps Feb 02 09:49:25 Tronic: redrawing dirty areas: I don't have the tiles anymore in mem, just the pixbuf - thus redrawing the dirty areas would mean file i/o Feb 02 09:49:48 gamin: I suppose that you'll add some kind of tracking feature that can be used for improving OSM? Feb 02 09:49:59 (or is there one already?) Feb 02 09:50:04 Tronic: Yes, I Feb 02 09:50:11 d love to Feb 02 09:50:48 Tronic: the neo already logs the nmea Feb 02 09:51:20 but making voice annotations would be nice Feb 02 09:51:20 Anyway, the main problem with GPS map software usually is speed. They get way too slow with all the details, if there is no proper caching and LOD. Feb 02 09:51:29 And generally proper data structures. Feb 02 09:53:16 btw, you can use google maps too, but read their terms and conditios first Feb 02 10:05:46 Is there an kill switch for the GSM modem ? Feb 02 10:05:57 in the freerunner version Feb 02 10:30:37 hello Feb 02 10:31:01 nadio: yes Feb 02 11:23:16 can someone correct my? Feb 02 11:23:16 if I have for example i=0x10; Feb 02 11:23:16 end I while make i= (0x00 ) | (( i & 0x10 )<<4) | (( i & 0x20 )<<1) | (( i & 0x40 )>>1) | (( i & 0x80 )>>4); Feb 02 11:23:16 the result while by 0x80? yes? Feb 02 11:23:44 Interpreter error. Feb 02 11:25:11 I need to swap 4 oldest bits in value 8bit value :/ Feb 02 11:28:32 abcdefghi -> efghabcd? Feb 02 11:29:42 10100000 > 01010000 Feb 02 11:32:43 Can I get hold of any of openmoko.com people in here ? Feb 02 11:33:09 nadio, yes Feb 02 11:33:30 not sure of the list, but at least mickey and raster are employed there Feb 02 11:35:09 :) (0x00 ) | (( i & 0x10 )<<3) | (( i & 0x20 )<<1) | (( i & 0x40 )>>1) | (( i & 0x80 )>>3); is correct :) Feb 02 11:51:00 the wiki is down Feb 02 12:17:30 does seem to be down. Feb 02 12:17:45 Actually - it may be merely slow Feb 02 12:18:36 if it's slow it's reaaaaaaaly slow Feb 02 12:19:19 Actually - I may have completed the URL - I assumed I'd entered wiki.openmoko.org Feb 02 12:19:29 It seems down tottally, yes Feb 02 12:19:46 nah it loaded \o/ Feb 02 12:19:59 just took few min for planet.openmoko.org Feb 02 12:49:26 yeah, planet might load after a few min, but what about svn, which is needed for building several things via mokomakefile? Feb 02 12:50:44 Both don't seem to be in a place affected by the cable cuts... Feb 02 12:51:42 Now Available the new Ubuntu Free Penguin Edition: http://www.freepenguin.it/ubuntufp-download-en.html !!! Feb 02 12:52:08 They've probably got a neo as secondary backup over GPRS, and it's a bit loaded :) Feb 02 12:52:42 =] they are testing cluster of neos Feb 02 13:02:32 [Offtopic] Hi.. can someone predict what time Herald will be online ? Feb 02 13:04:19 kamathln: in this channel? haven't seen him in months Feb 02 13:04:35 Oh! Feb 02 13:04:56 cesarb: thx for the info Feb 02 13:09:37 SpeedEvil, yesterday we talked about the battery voltage when the neo will turn off - mine did at 3.1 V Feb 02 13:21:30 ahoi Feb 02 13:22:06 avast, matey Feb 02 13:43:41 is wiki down or is it me? Feb 02 13:45:32 blckdove: it's down for me too Feb 02 13:45:56 and me Feb 02 14:08:52 Dash Express == HXD8 ? Feb 02 14:09:13 yes Feb 02 14:09:34 I see Feb 02 14:11:06 Though I don't think it's been confirmed how open it is Feb 02 14:11:17 I think it just runs the kernel with OM patches Feb 02 14:14:51 yeah Feb 02 14:20:16 Check : http://world3.monstersgame.fr/?ac=vid&vid=108014140 Feb 02 14:20:39 I dont think so Feb 02 14:32:15 CoreDump: hi, you are from OE? Feb 02 14:33:26 sort of Feb 02 14:33:30 hah Feb 02 14:33:36 I would like to submit a package to OE Feb 02 14:33:52 what is the correct way? Feb 02 14:33:57 ml or bugzilla Feb 02 14:34:00 ? Feb 02 14:34:31 bugilla IMO Feb 02 14:35:17 does the recipe need to be 'high quality' or do they can welcome approximate recipes? Feb 02 14:35:24 :-) Feb 02 14:36:46 trust me, certain folks would nail you to a cross for "approximate recipes". Other folks would try to work with you to change it into a good recipe ;) Feb 02 14:37:15 send it to the ML and ask for comments Feb 02 14:37:34 ah, I don't mind for me, but for the package :-) Feb 02 14:37:41 ok Feb 02 14:38:02 heh Feb 02 14:38:13 just attach it to bugzilla and/or mail Feb 02 14:38:22 anyone made tests with applets? Can I pop-up dialogs (to show and enter things) from applets? Feb 02 14:38:22 it's an iterative process Feb 02 14:38:35 great! Feb 02 14:38:38 mickey: I would have a question about speech in OM Feb 02 14:38:51 could it be welcomed in middleware? Feb 02 14:38:53 blckdove: yeah, that should work. libmokopanelui2 contains an API for that Feb 02 14:39:03 ok good... Feb 02 14:39:13 gonna integrate bt pairing into the bt applet Feb 02 14:39:25 gonna make that as the default key agent Feb 02 14:39:31 zilux: depends on a couple of factors. but it's certainly interesting Feb 02 14:39:44 * SpeedEvil has been looking at BIP. Feb 02 14:39:59 Is there anything on linux that implements the bluetooth imaging protocol? Feb 02 14:40:18 mickeyl: speech-dispatcher + espeak would have its chance? Feb 02 14:42:23 zilux: like i said, it depends on some factors, like additional nand/RAM consumption and integration Feb 02 14:42:37 but even if it doesn't make it in the default image Feb 02 14:42:41 we'd like to have it in the feed Feb 02 14:42:45 so, yes, it's most welcome Feb 02 14:42:51 ok, thanks Feb 02 14:42:57 np Feb 02 14:43:42 (yeah!) Feb 02 14:46:50 mickeyl: hi there! Feb 02 14:47:05 welcome back, wolfgang_spraul Feb 02 14:48:00 mickeyl: do you know someone here in irc who could help with the motion sensor lib? Feb 02 14:48:33 not offhand. we might launch a request on the -devel mailing list for that. they're over 800 people subscribed there Feb 02 14:49:00 mickeyl: ok. Feb 02 14:49:54 * SpeedEvil wishes that accelerometers some 10^6 times better were available. Feb 02 14:50:15 SpeedEvil: what's your favourite application for such highres sensors? Feb 02 14:50:41 Well - that resolution, you get absolute orientation from direct observation of the gravity gradient Feb 02 14:50:53 sure Feb 02 14:50:55 that's nice per se Feb 02 14:50:57 _but_ Feb 02 14:51:02 what would you do with the data? Feb 02 14:51:03 Oh - apps Feb 02 14:51:14 i mean besides trivial things Feb 02 14:51:14 'you are here' that worked in buildings Feb 02 14:51:29 Well, if the phone were equipped with a propulsion system... ;) Feb 02 14:51:34 hehe Feb 02 14:51:35 yeah Feb 02 14:51:46 Or caves :) Feb 02 14:52:13 GPS gets lots more reliable if you only need to see the satellites every hour or so Feb 02 14:52:13 or on planets that have no gps satellites yet Feb 02 14:52:18 SpeedEvil: maybe you get accelerometers so high-res that you could use them for space travel navigation as well :-) Feb 02 14:52:22 (a bit sarcastic, I admit) Feb 02 14:52:42 wolfgang_spraul: I have prototype rocket bits in the garage. Feb 02 14:52:50 SpeedEvil: what we need is a LPS (local instead of global), so we can just add some electronic thingys inside the building and that's enough for precise location Feb 02 14:52:57 * mwester is interested in the accelerometers for simple things -- one simple but essential feature would be to have neod be able to put the phone in "silent" mode if it is placed face-down on a surface (for example) Feb 02 14:53:16 mwester: same here. i think the "trivial things" can do a lot wrt. usability Feb 02 14:53:18 cesarb: that's nice in principle. Feb 02 14:53:27 mwester: that feature could also be done with a light sensor, with the bonus that it would also do the same in a theater Feb 02 14:53:29 cesarb: you end up with needing several a room Feb 02 14:53:33 mwester: one problem seems to be that few easy-to-use accelerometer API seem to be established Feb 02 14:53:37 cesarb: which gets quite expensive indeed Feb 02 14:53:45 no low-level interface (C), no higher-level language bindings (Python, Java, etc) Feb 02 14:53:46 nothing Feb 02 14:53:51 SpeedEvil: yeah, some 3-4 in the corners... it would have to be a really chip (rfid-like price levels) Feb 02 14:53:56 s/chip/cheap/ Feb 02 14:53:56 cesarb meant: SpeedEvil: yeah, some 3-4 in the corners... it would have to be a really cheap (rfid-like price levels) Feb 02 14:54:02 so that an app can 'subscribe' to certain motions etc. Feb 02 14:54:17 cesarb: wrt to LPS: augment GPS with other inputs, such as the ability to say "I am in the executive boardroom, automatically silence the ringer" when a certain bluetooth MAC reaches a certain signal strength... Feb 02 14:54:21 I wonder if soemthing xstroke-like Feb 02 14:54:42 mwester: or a wifi AP Feb 02 14:54:48 lookup the xstroke recogniser Feb 02 14:54:51 maybe interesting Feb 02 14:54:58 (in 3D) Feb 02 14:55:15 actually on reflection not Feb 02 14:55:22 it requires discrete motions Feb 02 14:55:34 mwester: so if I get within the range of a wifi ap with the essid with my work company's name, AND I can use it (meaning I have the correct key and so it does), then I'm at work, so switch to a work-related mode Feb 02 14:55:43 so it'd work for 'hold button and wave' but not continuous Feb 02 14:55:48 cesarb: Yep. exactly! Feb 02 14:57:35 mwester: the one I'd find most interesting would be "when I can see that specific bluetooth dongle, it means I'm near my home computer, so sync with it" Feb 02 14:59:18 ...wifi.. Feb 02 14:59:42 I'm interested in one that's "I see the laptop's bluetooth, but not the home wireless AP, the local timezone (from the cell tower) says it's 11PM, thus it seems logical that we are in a hotel room again so offer to set a wakeup alarm for the morning and remind to check watch for correct local time" Feb 02 15:00:03 mwester: woah. That one is... Feb 02 15:00:19 mwester: ...kinda extreme... it looks like AI :D Feb 02 15:01:21 Yep. It is. But if you consider an "awareness daemon", a set of sensors that report via dbus, and a set of rules that the user can edit, it's actually very straightforward to implement (conceptually). Feb 02 15:01:52 'the last MokoCrowd entry fro this location says that the restaruant opposite does awesome steak' Feb 02 15:02:06 That's cool too! Feb 02 15:02:51 "But another MokoCrowd entry says if you only want a burger, there's free wireless a block down the street" ;) Feb 02 15:03:15 SpeedEvil: that would be awesome, but needs a critical mass to work Feb 02 15:03:28 cesarb: very much Feb 02 15:03:53 SpeedEvil: the only way to manage it would be to make an app to do that for J2ME too Feb 02 15:04:02 SpeedEvil: so you can get your critical mass Feb 02 15:04:04 Probably. Feb 02 15:04:10 It would need to start as a generic 'smart-gps' sort of thing. Feb 02 15:04:20 Unless OM goes critical much faster than I expect. Feb 02 15:04:28 * cesarb compiles for the nth time to see if this time I can make the lcm behave Feb 02 15:04:48 I can't see it getting any significant market-share if everything goes right before 2012 or so Feb 02 15:06:09 Christmas 2008 - some independant shops and markets with unsubsidised phones start selling - 2010 maybe a small carrier picks it up, ... Feb 02 15:07:07 It's only there when a person that doesn't care about linux wants one. Feb 02 15:07:17 SpeedEvil: another way I can see it working is somewhere with someone crazy enough to be a one-man critical mass (someone crazy enough to go to every single shop in a region and register its data on the database...) Feb 02 15:07:33 cesarb: irc.oftc.net #osm Feb 02 15:07:58 SpeedEvil: yeah, I was thinking of the OSM mapping people ;-) Feb 02 15:08:00 (though not usually to quite that density) Feb 02 15:08:51 SpeedEvil: someone could do that thing in a small but important part of a city with a few months of hard work, and with enough luck that could be enough critical mass... Feb 02 15:09:23 Mapping can actually be quite fast for small areas if you employ people. Feb 02 15:09:57 several guys on bikes for 8 hours/day can do a _lot_. Feb 02 15:10:15 But of course - fundin'gs a seperate issue Feb 02 15:10:34 SpeedEvil: but mapping to the level of "tell me the best McDonald's in a 500m radius" would need a lot more effort than that Feb 02 15:11:07 Yeah - getting 'list the macdonalds and their sizes in the area' is easy comparably Feb 02 15:55:09 Yo ! I received my gta01 :) Feb 02 15:55:43 Congratulations! Feb 02 15:55:48 what sort of delay? Feb 02 15:56:42 I was patient enough to make severy tries for 2 weeks on direct.openmoko.com. Then I give up Feb 02 15:57:11 I ordered it from pulster, 5 days for bank transfer, 8 days for the transporter :( Feb 02 15:57:19 But at last, it's here :):):) Feb 02 15:58:13 http://wifi.openschemes.com/ insanely awesome. Feb 02 16:13:47 I love neo1973 screen it's klar and sharp. Feb 02 16:14:15 It's time to compile a system :) Feb 02 16:14:48 thats what im doing too Feb 02 16:14:50 starox: everyone loves gta01's screen ;-) Feb 02 16:15:01 :) Feb 02 18:15:56 Binary for MokoManager available http://openmokomanager.projects.openmoko.org/ Feb 02 18:22:03 openmoko: 03werner * r4013 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) Feb 02 18:22:03 openmoko: This gives user space the ability to modify atags (boot parameters, etc.) Feb 02 18:22:03 openmoko: before kexec'ing. Feb 02 18:22:03 openmoko: patches/series: Feb 02 18:22:03 openmoko: - added kexec-atags.patch Feb 02 18:22:05 openmoko: patches/kexec-atags.patch: Feb 02 18:22:06 openmoko: - leapfrogged from upstream, Feb 02 18:26:49 sleep head eak Feb 02 19:08:27 hi, is there any voice memo app for the neo available? Feb 02 20:28:55 Hi, with freerunner coming up, is it still worth buying the advance kit at 400$ or should I wait for the new model to come out? Feb 02 20:29:45 PoGo, if you are not sure just give me $400 until freerunner arrives.... Feb 02 20:29:54 what is the actual speed of the processor? I red it has been upgraded to 400mhz. Feb 02 20:30:48 br3n Feb 02 20:31:05 br3n: I could do that or... I could just not ;) Feb 02 20:31:09 yes, will be 400 mhz. currently (gta01) it's 266 mhz Feb 02 20:31:09 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02 see GTA02 section in wiki Feb 02 20:31:31 so if I buy now I get 266? Feb 02 20:31:46 yes, no wifi current as per wiki page Feb 02 20:31:59 yes, and no wifi and so on. I'd recommend you to wait, except you need it for testing your programs immediately Feb 02 20:31:59 freerunner has wifi Feb 02 20:32:08 yeah, wifi is a bigger deal than processor speed Feb 02 20:32:21 there was an advanced kit on ebay the other day..... Feb 02 20:32:27 will the freerunner be as good from a developer point of view? Feb 02 20:32:35 better Feb 02 20:33:34 PoGo, lot of hardware faults sorted.... Feb 02 20:34:07 well, it surely won't be perfect, but I expect it to be a good phone, so let's hope :) Feb 02 20:34:14 ok, so I guess ebay would be the way to go, if I can't wait, otherwise I should just wait a couple month. Feb 02 20:34:57 thanks a lot guys! Feb 02 20:35:49 i am waiting too... Feb 02 20:36:13 we're all waiting :-) Feb 02 20:36:59 actually I'm drooling Feb 02 20:38:16 I was ready to buy when I saw the announcement, kind of a good news, bad news thing... Feb 02 20:39:24 go on then be part of the (exclusive) club who own more freed up phones than anyone else.... a piece of GSM history etc etc Feb 02 20:41:47 anyone know who is deving the settings GUI Feb 02 20:41:56 I wish... wifi and 3d accel are definitely worth the wait, but the deal is good on the advance kit right now. If freerunner comes out over 600$ I think I would still go for the neo Feb 02 20:42:32 and wait a year or two for price to go down on the freerunner Feb 02 20:42:37 I want FreeRunner ... at least ill have two generations of phones Feb 02 20:43:12 gonna be interesting to see what price of freerunner by the time they have distribution channels sorted out... Feb 02 20:43:25 anybody got an idea of what freerunner price will be? Feb 02 20:44:24 I really am in a dilemn... Feb 02 20:45:53 If i had to do it again i would still get the GTA01 but only becaus ei have learned tons about embedded linux.. if your not interested in writing software and fixing bugs then i would wait Feb 02 20:48:24 KrisAbsinthe: Would you do the same thing now knowing the new version is coming Feb 02 20:49:00 I am definitely interested in the development plateforme capabilities, but I also want to use it as phone ;) Feb 02 20:50:00 hmm. i would wait cause I live in a GSM 850 area so the Phone only works when i am at work, i have gotten about 1 hour of talk time in the last 3 months Feb 02 20:50:17 ;) Feb 02 20:51:45 plus im a big advocate of VoIP and thats way easier with wifi. finding BT access points is a little hard Feb 02 20:51:55 PoGo, 850 prob above is north america prob only Feb 02 20:53:24 KrisAbsinthe, i saw some very anti comment by harald months ago (actually it was anti asterisk I think). Why was he so down on it? Feb 02 20:53:39 i mean anti VOIP /anti asterisk Feb 02 20:54:44 dunno. i like asterisk/VoIP . I think he may have been talking about the security. VOIP and the such is very insecure Feb 02 20:54:50 ur right about the wifi, from what I can see, 3d is far from there so it will probably ship without. Feb 02 20:55:11 wifi is a big deal for lots of mobile uses other than phone use Feb 02 20:55:40 as soon as I get my habds on it i MUST port the aircrack suite Feb 02 20:56:23 sameo has wpa2 working for gta02 now :-) Feb 02 20:56:30 anyone here who wants to beta test a gps / map app? Feb 02 20:56:38 combined with the gps to locate the source... Feb 02 20:57:05 Ill test it Feb 02 20:57:09 PoGo, no GTA01/02 have gps internal Feb 02 20:57:40 I see the advance will be priced at 600, at 400$ I guess they are liquidating the last neos Feb 02 20:57:48 tangogps.org - a ipkg is there... Feb 02 20:57:57 and screenshots Feb 02 20:57:59 cool Feb 02 20:58:06 oops. Thought so. Feb 02 20:58:16 works with osm maps and - ehm google too Feb 02 21:03:03 I'm in canada (qc) with rogers, I think it's GSM 900. Feb 02 21:03:04 looks impressive gamin Feb 02 21:03:22 phone should work okay with my SIM? Feb 02 21:03:26 zedstar_ - have you installed it? Feb 02 21:03:37 return value: -22 Package (null) has no architecture defined, then crashed my xserver. ill try again Feb 02 21:04:00 KrisAbsinthe: on 386 or neo? Feb 02 21:04:08 neo Feb 02 21:04:12 gamin.... not yet as not in front of my neo i will do though.... so it uses gpsd for reading gps data i see Feb 02 21:04:35 zedstar_ , yes, uses gpsd for now Feb 02 21:04:41 gamin, on i386 ./tangogps: error while loading shared libraries: libgps.so.15: cannot open shared .... Feb 02 21:04:54 i was running another test app too so let me check again Feb 02 21:05:18 br3n: it is linked against libgps16 Feb 02 21:05:19 gamin u seen gypsy? or had a look at dbus options im interested also in alternatives to telnet'ing to gpsd Feb 02 21:05:43 excuse me for my ignorance, but how does "external gps" work (if there's no internal gps in the device)? Feb 02 21:06:08 zedstar_: I like gpdfake to replay and the ability to forward gps via network on the gpsd Feb 02 21:06:50 PoGo: the neo has a GPS Feb 02 21:07:21 gamim: does the software expect glin and gpsd to be started before hand or do u handle that? Feb 02 21:07:33 zedstar: no Feb 02 21:07:36 KrisAbsinthe: got it! tought GTA01 was neo Feb 02 21:07:45 does handle it Feb 02 21:07:55 it is Feb 02 21:08:05 gamin ah ok nice Feb 02 21:08:09 does not handle gpsd restart though as of now Feb 02 21:08:16 PoGo, gta01=neo gta02=freerunner Feb 02 21:09:00 gamin, apt-get install libgps16 fails to find package Feb 02 21:09:02 gamin i have gprs working so would be interested to try this outside with my neo....do u have gprs working? Feb 02 21:09:05 comes with a .desktop file but installs it in wrong place - tomorrow that shall be fixed Feb 02 21:09:19 ok that's what I tought, I'm just confused by br3n statement: "no GTA01/02 have gps internal" Feb 02 21:09:33 so GTA01 has gps, GTA02 has wifi Feb 02 21:09:44 PoGo, means they both have gps Feb 02 21:09:46 br3n: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libgps&version=all&subword=1&exact=&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&searchon=names Feb 02 21:09:46 GTA02 has both lol Feb 02 21:10:03 lol Feb 02 21:10:18 http://lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139637493 Feb 02 21:10:19 READ THE WIKI Feb 02 21:10:21 zedstar_: yes, but am loading maps before going out Feb 02 21:10:31 gprs too expensive here Feb 02 21:10:42 missed a coma or something, but I'm okay now ;) Feb 02 21:10:49 thanks for the clarification Feb 02 21:10:56 gamin, zedstar there is script to dl OSM maps on NAVIT wiki page Feb 02 21:11:07 br3n: I see, I should link against somethin else :/ Feb 02 21:11:53 still could get wifi for a couple month wait and a couple hundred box. Arrrgh! I just want one now ;) Feb 02 21:11:57 OK, tangGPS installs and loads well. let me check on the maps Feb 02 21:12:09 br3n: well, it downloads and caches while you pan around. -> is very server friendly Feb 02 21:12:24 KrisAbsinthe: cool Feb 02 21:13:19 gamin will take my neo out tomorrow and give it a run Feb 02 21:13:41 great Feb 02 21:14:11 PoGo: Canada is 850MHz GSM, not 900MHz :( Feb 02 21:14:43 gamin if u wanna try my app also which requires gps and gprs connection that wud be cool....the gps micro blogging part of it Feb 02 21:14:51 gamin, yeh but even downloading OSM maps on desktop is slow at times.... a cache for your "city" would be nice and if you have big SD card quite easy Feb 02 21:15:22 gamin, in the long term :-) Feb 02 21:15:36 zedstar_ what is your app? Feb 02 21:15:40 mwester: serious, sounds risky Feb 02 21:15:54 br3n: as I said, you can doit :) Feb 02 21:16:07 gamin can create and account and get the ipks as thumbtribes.mobi Feb 02 21:16:11 brb gotta go outside to get a fix Feb 02 21:16:23 josch has adapted the navit script for tangogps Feb 02 21:17:05 mwester: thanks for the info, it does matter Feb 02 21:17:24 zedstar_ - I have not fully understood that Feb 02 21:17:26 gamin, ok! (u haven't seen my C skills ha!) Feb 02 21:17:54 gamin: which bit Feb 02 21:18:06 br3n: the ode is a holy mess, but I'm going to clean it up. Feb 02 21:18:30 zedstar_ all this: gamin can create and account and get the ipks as thumbtribes.mobi Feb 02 21:18:46 where doI reate an account? Feb 02 21:18:50 create Feb 02 21:19:07 gamin to download the software etc... on the site....the client logs into the account u create Feb 02 21:19:10 where do I get ipkgs and which? Feb 02 21:19:28 gamin http://thumbtribes.mobi/beta/node/3 Feb 02 21:20:02 lol, I completly missed out that .mobi is a tld :) Feb 02 21:20:27 gamin lol yeh Feb 02 21:22:09 zedstar_ ok, will check it out Feb 02 21:22:23 gamin cheers....dont know many people who have gprs working! Feb 02 21:25:03