**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 06 02:59:57 2008 Feb 06 04:44:50 /server irc.comunidadchat.net Feb 06 04:56:36 Why'd I ping out a coupe of hours ago? Feb 06 09:59:29 ... ah just a warning Someone, probably you from IP address 88.198.58.17, has registered an account - that isn't my ip is openmoko.org having problems or ... Feb 06 09:59:34 am i being mimed Feb 06 10:00:20 dbmoodb: that might be your proxy Feb 06 10:00:55 i don't have a proxy located in germany - no way Feb 06 10:01:24 dbmoodb: actually it might be the openmoko reverse proxy Feb 06 10:01:32 dbmoodb: checking the whois Feb 06 10:01:35 can some one do a check Feb 06 10:01:45 reverse proxy would get germany ? Feb 06 10:01:58 openmoko.org has machines in a data center in .de Feb 06 10:02:06 ah Feb 06 10:03:02 its an IP in the same datacenter, I would suspect misconfiguration Feb 06 10:10:57 ? Feb 06 10:11:03 well it scared me Feb 06 10:59:13 1252 root 20 0 23944 3844 3004 S 22.1 3.1 0:11.75 gst-launch-0.10 Feb 06 10:59:27 hmm, pretty good efficiency with gstreamer there, pity about pulse :-( Feb 06 11:10:44 openmoko: 03werner * r4020 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/atheros_2_0_function.patch: (log message trimmed) Feb 06 11:10:44 openmoko: ar6k: 2.0.0.89 firmware support Feb 06 11:10:44 openmoko: The 2.0.0.40 firmware crashes when getting certain RX data patterns, Feb 06 11:10:44 openmoko: which can easily be reproduced when running an SSH transfer over WPA. Feb 06 11:10:44 openmoko: The 2.0.0.89 firmware fixes that and doesn't seem to introduce Feb 06 11:10:48 openmoko: regressions. This patch is neede to support this firmware. Feb 06 11:10:50 openmoko: Signed-off-by: Samuel Ortiz Feb 06 11:29:41 make qemu Feb 06 11:29:48 oops... wrong window Feb 06 11:30:01 classic Feb 06 11:30:36 lol Feb 06 11:31:22 make: *** No rule to make target `qemu'. Stop. Feb 06 11:33:27 neat, balrog-kun is actually a bog with shell access :-) Feb 06 11:33:36 sudo rm -rf / Feb 06 11:33:45 sudo kill -9 1 Feb 06 11:33:52 thats funny. Feb 06 11:33:54 bash: sudo: command not found Feb 06 11:34:27 ;) Feb 06 11:37:51 /sbin/ifdown eth0 Feb 06 11:38:59 the internet is ppp0 :( Feb 06 11:39:43 balrog-kun: :()(:|:& );: Feb 06 11:41:10 ahven: {:-> Feb 06 11:41:38 hmm, why didn't you execute it? :) Feb 06 11:42:06 i could but i know it wouldn't do much because i've set up a 64 processes limit :p Feb 06 11:42:15 and there would be no output anyway Feb 06 13:25:00 openmoko: 03thomas * r4021 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (opkg_download.c opkg_state.h): opkg: fix gpg enabled builds and fix one compiler warning Feb 06 13:35:55 SpeedEvil: [21:22:45] <-- SpeedEvil saiu desse servidor (Remote closed the connection). Feb 06 13:37:35 cesarb: thanks. Feb 06 13:37:58 I do wonder what's happneing and if my ISP is intentionally killing my client Feb 06 13:38:07 They're not emailing me or anythign Feb 06 13:38:22 are you sure it's not your equipment? Feb 06 13:39:39 SpeedEvil: that might be a stateful firewall or NAT timing out Feb 06 13:39:53 naah - it's on the host Feb 06 13:39:59 their shell host Feb 06 13:40:10 SpeedEvil: I have much trouble with IRC sessions getting killed when I travel because of proxies and the like. Feb 06 13:40:25 I just talk to it using screen Feb 06 13:40:45 maybe screen caved in? Feb 06 13:40:47 SpeedEvil: try dmesg, it could be the OOM killer Feb 06 13:40:49 happened to me once Feb 06 13:40:58 cesarb: on the shell host Feb 06 13:41:02 cesarb: no access Feb 06 13:41:13 It's OTOH free with my ISP Feb 06 13:41:15 SpeedEvil: normal users normally can use dmesg... Feb 06 13:41:48 they are using wierd virtual hosts of some sort Feb 06 13:47:43 can i ask when frequency scaling coming to official images? Feb 06 13:48:02 Xx13: when there is a working driver Feb 06 13:48:21 isn't that soon? Feb 06 13:49:20 Xx13: due to out universes principle of causality I cant predict when I add it to official builds until I see working driver Feb 06 13:50:35 * Stephmw adjusts universal constants to produce a working driver Feb 06 13:50:46 ... time to reboot the universe, brb! Feb 06 13:51:28 the page in the wiki, looks like it's done... or almost Feb 06 13:52:07 * XorA waits for cesarb to finish Feb 06 13:54:09 what is standby expected to be like, then scaling is working? Feb 06 13:56:09 Xx13: the scaling driver itself is done (sorta - I'm gone refactor its whole structure to add gta02 support today), but that's not enough -- almost every one of the several SoC drivers needs to have added support for it, or it'll misbehave Feb 06 13:56:39 Xx13: for instance, the serial driver would simply stop working, and the framebuffer would flicker horribly (both are drivers I already made) Feb 06 13:57:19 Xx13: sound from the SoC (ringtones, for instance), the vibrator, and SD/MMC are other areas I'd expect to fail without a notifier Feb 06 13:57:50 cesarb: sound on GTA02 doesnt need notifier, on gta01 it will Feb 06 13:58:29 cesarb: BTW I assume you dont have a gta02 Feb 06 13:58:39 (btw, http://xkcd.com/378/ is what Stephmw was refering to) Feb 06 13:58:56 cesarb: could it be done so, that there is a layby mode then non of the peripherals are used except GSM for example, and when the call comes it switches to full speed? Feb 06 13:59:07 XorA: only a few people within OM have a gta02, how would someone outside OM like me have one? Feb 06 13:59:27 cesarb: I can be a little obtuse at times :) Feb 06 13:59:40 cesarb: I know, my gta02 sits by my right hand Feb 06 13:59:41 Xx13: that's standby mode, other people are working on it Feb 06 14:04:33 is there any info on it? Feb 06 14:23:41 XorA: how long does the battery last for you at the moment? (in suspend while you are not actively using it) Feb 06 14:24:12 dennda: 24 hours Feb 06 14:24:38 openmoko: 03thomas * r4022 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/Makefile.am: opkg: include opkg_state.h in libopkg_include_HEADERS Feb 06 14:25:03 XorA: Which powersaving-features are already available on your specific device? Feb 06 14:25:13 (If any ;)) Feb 06 14:25:19 dennda: just whatever is in default images Feb 06 14:26:46 XorA: Ok. Any estimations on how long it will last after software-updates? (i.e.: the consumer version) Feb 06 14:27:08 dennda: no Feb 06 14:27:42 I was afraid of that answer :) Feb 06 14:28:31 * XorA doesnt have hardware for new version yet Feb 06 14:29:10 dennda: estimates of that sort of data are marketing department / sales data only, and seldom have a very good basis in reality. Certainly there is little correlation between the marketing hype and *your* reality in the case of smart phones, as nobody knows what/how you'll use or configure the device! Feb 06 14:30:14 The ultimate suspend mode will yeild standby times measured in many weeks -- however in that ultimate standby state ("OFF") the device is unable to wake on incoming phone calls, or other events. :P Feb 06 14:31:23 mwester: I am aware of that second reality. That's why I ask you devs. I am interested in estimations on the power consumption when all parts of the device are turned off and you are only noticed about incoming sms/calls (i.e. suspend) Feb 06 14:31:42 mwester: that's not unique to the gta02 Feb 06 14:31:51 many devices have that power-saving option :) Feb 06 14:33:57 hi Feb 06 15:05:10 hi all Feb 06 15:20:46 openmoko: 03mickey * r4023 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-terminal2/ (data/Makefile.in src/mainwindow.vala src/mokoterminal.vala): Feb 06 15:20:46 openmoko: openmoko-terminal2: Feb 06 15:20:46 openmoko: * close tab when shell exits Feb 06 15:20:46 openmoko: * close application when last shell exits Feb 06 15:20:46 openmoko: * remove bogus generated file Feb 06 15:20:48 openmoko: * closes #1191 Feb 06 16:08:18 openmoko: 03mickey * r4024 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-terminal2/src/ (mainwindow.vala mokoterminal.vala): openmoko-terminal2: add command line support for -e Feb 06 16:28:57 Egads -> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2955814405.html Feb 06 16:30:41 that's.... good? Feb 06 16:30:59 it's ugly, but.... Feb 06 16:31:50 but it means that the freerunner might be more widespread Feb 06 16:35:27 Ugly as hell. :) Feb 06 16:35:44 it is the freerunner in essence right? Feb 06 16:35:57 a slightly different case, and not running OM, but the same device Feb 06 16:35:59 But yeah, I'm curious there... Is that a Freerunner rebrand, another OpenMoko Inc. client or is it horrific coincidence. Feb 06 16:36:10 or a joke? Feb 06 16:36:21 I think it's legit. Feb 06 16:36:32 I honestly don't think it would be a coincedence, how is it possible that the cases look identical, just plaid instead of black? Feb 06 16:36:36 Well, I don't know if the plad will actually make it. Feb 06 16:36:51 But I think the device and the company is legit. Feb 06 16:37:08 I'm wondering about $$$. Feb 06 16:37:30 for real, if it's cheaper than the freerunner, I'd consier buying it, and just flashing OM Feb 06 16:37:32 Egads -> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2955814405.html Feb 06 16:37:37 (assuming it doesn't keep plaid) Feb 06 16:37:38 scottish smartphone? Feb 06 16:37:40 :P Feb 06 16:38:14 summatusmentis, I've got a Neo1973, even if it DOES keep the plaid, I'll buy it and just swap cases... Feb 06 16:38:37 Somehow I don't think there's much of a competitive advantage there though. Feb 06 16:38:49 I'm sure the price will be higher, if not exactly the same. Feb 06 16:39:06 I do wonder what the price of 1K freerunners'd be Feb 06 16:39:10 But I'd like confirmation that this is actually the Freerunner. Feb 06 16:39:11 its the same device, i'd just get a debug board, rip the flash code, and program it in to gta02 Feb 06 16:39:20 the plaid is ... Feb 06 16:39:33 SpeedEvil: i would expect them to for a lot more than 1K if they even bother with this Feb 06 16:39:44 to go for Feb 06 16:39:49 I mean - how much freerunner Feb 06 16:39:57 If you were to order 1K Feb 06 16:40:02 yeah i know Feb 06 16:40:11 but if you did what koolu plans to, you'd likely order more than 1K Feb 06 16:40:22 koolu? Feb 06 16:40:31 ah Feb 06 16:40:45 It's claiming the device will be released to Devs in March for $400 Feb 06 16:40:52 yeah i was wondering about that myself Feb 06 16:40:59 kdean06: I'm a poor college student I doen't have a 1973 Feb 06 16:41:01 they know more than we do Feb 06 16:41:04 I'd not be _completely_ surprised if they've been working hard on porting the java stack to GTA01 Feb 06 16:41:21 i'm pretty sure they do have a normal design as well Feb 06 16:41:26 and getting it working well - then order a large quantity of freerunner, and swap cases Feb 06 16:41:27 this is just to get into the spotlight Feb 06 16:41:35 NOBODY in their sane mind would release this phone alone Feb 06 16:41:52 why bother swapping cases, fic will do that for you Feb 06 16:41:52 SpeedEvil: and not give the java thing back? Feb 06 16:42:04 fic is a hardware company, after all Feb 06 16:42:15 summatusmentis: Id you can make money selling it - why give it back? Feb 06 16:42:22 summatusmentis: if you're not compelled to that is Feb 06 16:42:37 that largely depends on the VM you started with Feb 06 16:42:48 summatusmentis, then you need to get a OLPC not a Neo1973? why are all college students always poor? Feb 06 16:43:00 mbuf: because they spend all money on beer Feb 06 16:43:10 mbuf: because we all have buttloads of debt Feb 06 16:43:14 I've got a lappy Feb 06 16:43:41 summatusmentis, ö Feb 06 16:43:46 because banks and others like students to have debt: they are very likely to pay back in the end.... Feb 06 16:44:07 also makes sure they will work after uni Feb 06 16:45:01 i'm wondering about the dell android rumours Feb 06 16:45:25 dell certainly has the distribution angle nailed Feb 06 16:45:43 and their pdas were pretty good in their day Feb 06 16:45:56 those rumors were denied Feb 06 16:46:06 came out one day, denied the next by dell Feb 06 16:46:24 that doesnt mean much :P Feb 06 16:46:45 i've been wondering for a while now why dell isnt selling phones Feb 06 17:14:58 am I choosing to overread theese posts on "community@lists.openmoko.org" or FIC has been pretty quiet on the ongoings of GTA02?? this is quite in contrast to GTA01 with ocasional mail telling us what's up... Feb 06 17:15:27 they've learned their lesson on promising too much too soon :] Feb 06 17:16:47 omg ... 5th Internet cable damaged Feb 06 17:16:49 mjr: is a displaying of current events (no crystal balls...) not beneficial to the community?? Feb 06 17:16:51 God, have mercy Feb 06 17:17:35 ciacon: the latest community update had the current status, remember all .tw people are on holiday Feb 06 17:17:43 CVirus, mysteriously around Iran again? Feb 06 17:18:18 mjr, Three is a cosmic coincidence, 5 is a conspiracy. :) Feb 06 17:18:41 XorA: where can I find that?? I must have missed that... I didn't know they had holidays... Feb 06 17:18:44 didn't they cancel the chinese new year because of all that snow? Feb 06 17:18:57 do they not know what's causing the outages? Feb 06 17:19:07 ciacon: its new year Feb 06 17:19:51 XorA: not meaning to ask a dumb Q - what year is it?? Feb 06 17:20:15 ciacon: I think Rat, I looked at wikipedia earlier Feb 06 17:23:28 summatusmentis: Al Gore. Feb 06 17:25:06 Guys .. sorry but I'm not a native speaker ... What does a make up test exactly means ? Feb 06 17:27:55 make-up test: a test that can be taken again at a later time, a re-test. Feb 06 17:28:36 adoran: have you got a page with this definition ? Feb 06 17:28:40 slightly fuzzy there. i'd read it as: if you failed a test, a make-up test is when you take another one to make up for it. Feb 06 17:30:06 hey guyz Feb 06 17:31:06 Have you guys got a page with the exact definition ? Feb 06 17:31:27 CVirus: I think it's sort of dependent on the person you talk to. Feb 06 17:31:30 http://books.google.com/books?id=F_eWy_0HdqEC&pg=PA97&lpg=PA97&dq=%22make+up+test%22&source=web&ots=R_11UInN7O&sig=GWECdexZqPryS-zNlHVcceBDRwg#PPA97,M1 Feb 06 17:39:35 adoran: thanks Feb 06 17:57:00 ahmed: hi ahmed Feb 06 17:57:17 mohamed: hi ya 2ota Feb 06 17:59:31 ahmed: mohamed: eh ya 3arab :-p Feb 06 18:00:18 CVirus: eh ya virus!!! Feb 06 18:00:34 CVirus: How are you? we are from Egypt and we are trying to contribute in this project Feb 06 18:00:41 awesome Feb 06 18:00:45 I'm from Egypt too Feb 06 18:00:55 CVirus : i knew that Feb 06 18:01:15 CVirus : where r u studing? or working? Feb 06 18:01:23 CVirus: Where in Egypt? we are from alex Feb 06 18:01:28 ahmed: studying Compute Science Feb 06 18:01:34 mohamed: Cairo Feb 06 18:01:38 Computer* Feb 06 18:01:46 too much typos .. sorry I'm eating :-D Feb 06 18:01:52 CVirus : it is ok Feb 06 18:01:59 mohamed: ahmed: are you guys members of EgLUG ? Feb 06 18:02:14 CVirus: what is EgLUG? Feb 06 18:02:16 CVirus: no Feb 06 18:02:26 The Egyptian GNU/Linux User Group Feb 06 18:02:29 #EgLUG Feb 06 18:02:34 www.EgLUG.org Feb 06 18:03:15 mohamed: ahmed: so .. what do you guys do ? Feb 06 18:03:21 CVirus : nice site Feb 06 18:03:31 CVirus: and nice ta3mya Feb 06 18:03:34 hehe Feb 06 18:03:42 ahmed: mohamed: join #EgLUG Feb 06 18:04:39 CVirus: we are trying to start system development for openmoko but we are stuck in no where due to lack of knowledge Feb 06 18:05:06 mohamed: what knowledge exactly are you lacking ? Feb 06 18:05:32 is there any emulator for the neo? Feb 06 18:05:59 adoran: QEMU is the one I'm working with Feb 06 18:07:18 CVirus: Exactly the starting point, the toolchains to start kernel development and all the related Feb 06 18:09:06 mohamed: what exactly do you guys want to do ? Feb 06 18:10:17 CVirus: we want to port openmoko on other devices Feb 06 18:10:39 mohamed: that sounds advanced to me :-D Feb 06 18:11:01 mohamed: what devises may I ask ? Feb 06 18:11:15 CVirus: I'm trying to start from openembedded, I found some guidelines which I'm trying to follow to get familiar with such subject Feb 06 18:11:57 CVirus: http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted Feb 06 18:12:41 CVirus: any device, It doesn't matter we only want to know the way how it is done Feb 06 18:13:52 CVirus: I think that it is a systematic way as there is a poky linux now released and on the same bases Feb 06 18:17:46 mohamed: interested in join #EgLUG ? Feb 06 18:18:55 adoran: if you are using mokomakefile type "make build-qemu", "make flash-qemu-local" and then "make run-qemu", of course after building openmoko locally Feb 06 18:19:07 CVirus: I've already joined Feb 06 18:19:33 mohamed: ahmed == mohamed ? Feb 06 18:20:06 CVirus: ahmed is my friend, I think he will be right back Feb 06 18:20:21 mohamed: we're talking on #EgLUG Feb 06 18:20:24 mohamed: and I don't see you there ! Feb 06 18:20:26 mohamed: what you want to do is as simple as writing a machine.conf file in the first case Feb 06 18:20:39 mohamed: then you need to fix packages that need machine specifics Feb 06 18:21:08 anh arm that uses the standard mainstream gcc/glibc is a doddle to "port" to Feb 06 18:21:16 s/anh/any/ Feb 06 18:21:17 XorA meant: any arm that uses the standard mainstream gcc/glibc is a doddle to "port" to Feb 06 18:23:06 CVirus: I'm logging now Feb 06 18:23:10 hi all .. during build openmoko i faced some problems and i wish any help.. it is task 1371 .. i faced the following error : "copyfile: Failed to chown/chmod/unlink /home/ahmed/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libogg-1.1-r3/install/libogg-doc/./usr/share/doc/libogg-1.1/framing.html [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/home/ahmed/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/li Feb 06 18:23:12 bogg-1.1-r3/install/libogg-doc/./usr/share/doc/libogg-1.1/framing.html' Feb 06 18:23:14 NOTE: Task failed: File population failed Feb 06 18:23:15 NOTE: package libogg-1.1-r3: task do_package: failed" Feb 06 18:24:30 i think an error happens when he tries to copy some file from the tmp folder in build.. to another destination but it has not the right privilage Feb 06 18:24:53 XorA: could you give me an example of those packages that need machine specifics Feb 06 18:25:30 mohamed: I'm talking about #EgLUG .. the channel .. not the website Feb 06 18:25:30 CVirus: where to go after logging? Feb 06 18:25:31 mohamed: find org.openembedded.dev -name "fic-gta01" -exec ls \{\}../ \; Feb 06 18:25:42 mohamed: the irc channel man Feb 06 18:26:00 mohamed: basically search for fic-gta01 in the repo Feb 06 18:27:04 CVirus: sorry I'll join now Feb 06 18:27:18 XorA: sorry, which repo? Feb 06 18:27:29 mohamed: the OM repo Feb 06 18:27:43 mohamed: where the .bb files are Feb 06 18:28:30 XorA: you mean the local OM repo I see Feb 06 18:29:23 mohamed: find org.openembedded.dev -name "fic-gta01" -exec ls \{\}/../../ \; will actually work :-) Feb 06 18:31:12 XorA: find org.openembedded.dev -name "fic-gta01" -exec ls \{\}../ \; it gives no such file or directory?? Feb 06 18:31:52 replace org.openembedded.dev with whatever you called you local repo Feb 06 18:32:03 openmoko websites down? Feb 06 18:32:32 LOL @ the name Feb 06 18:32:58 TheAndichrist: The wiki is slow, but up, for me Feb 06 18:33:15 I can't connect to openmoko.com nor org. Tried from two separate remote locations Feb 06 18:33:30 both in wisconsin, us however Feb 06 18:33:58 TheAndichrist: no it connects Feb 06 18:34:22 TheAndichrist: both are accessible Feb 06 18:34:28 they're up now Feb 06 18:34:37 Sorry to disturb ;) Feb 06 18:34:46 TheAndichrist: move to Illinois, our internet works. Feb 06 18:34:52 :p Feb 06 18:35:01 or MN, not having any trouble here Feb 06 18:35:37 MN is better than wisconson anyway... >_> Feb 06 18:35:44 so i hear. Feb 06 18:36:17 Depends on what's being discussed. Football teams? Feb 06 18:36:47 music scene and places besides bars that are open after 9pm? haha Feb 06 18:37:16 Crowds and traffic jams? Feb 06 18:37:17 mwester: only until the egyptions get their own back for that US sub cutting their cables Feb 06 18:38:07 XorA: It's the chinese -- they substituted some cheaper material when they manufactured the fiber in those cables. Feb 06 18:38:33 mwester: makes me think of undersea repeaters powered by laptop batteries Feb 06 18:38:54 XorA: I'm Egyptian, I think the internet is improving step by step here Feb 06 18:39:44 XorA : i'm egyptian too , and i think that we dont depend on US to deliver us with cables Feb 06 18:39:48 am i right?? Feb 06 18:39:50 The outages will certainly encourage more cables and alternate routing to be developed. Is anyone yet considering this an opportunity to run a competing cable across? Feb 06 18:40:18 mohamed: howa eh 7ewar el masreyeen el keteer today in here ! Feb 06 18:40:45 ahmed: I more meant the US was cutting the cables for unknown reasons, tinfoil hats time Feb 06 18:40:45 CVirus : coz that egypt will play after 2 days Feb 06 18:41:01 hehe Feb 06 18:41:24 XorA: I've tried the command but the result was http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55007/, please have a look Feb 06 18:41:41 XorA : actually US is cutting lot of things nowdays... it is the default Feb 06 18:41:57 mohamed: use the second command I pasted, I made a typo in first one Feb 06 18:42:13 mohamed: find org.openembedded.dev -name "fic-gta01" -exec ls \{\}/../../ \; Feb 06 18:43:31 ok guys .. i have pleasured so much being here Feb 06 18:43:36 * cesarb starts pondering GTA02 PLL settings Feb 06 18:43:37 but i have to go now Feb 06 18:43:43 enjoy your lives Feb 06 18:43:47 salamo 3likom Feb 06 18:43:51 The default PLL lock time seems to be about 5ms Feb 06 18:44:05 Meaning switching from one PLL setting to the other is quite expensive Feb 06 18:44:09 ahmed: "wa 3alikom alsallam" Feb 06 18:44:27 I have settings for 400MHz and 300MHz PLL... But perhaps it's better to use only one of them Feb 06 18:45:15 cesarb: on gta01 you mean? Feb 06 18:45:28 (pll lock time) Feb 06 18:49:28 SpeedEvil: gta02 Feb 06 18:49:42 SpeedEvil: gta01 has a default PLL lock time of about 0.3ms Feb 06 18:50:00 ah Feb 06 18:50:00 SpeedEvil: some 16 times (4 bits in the counter) less Feb 06 18:50:24 SpeedEvil: that's assuming my guess (that the lock time counter counts in XTAL clock cycles) is correct Feb 06 18:50:33 * SpeedEvil spots a cunning plan to get a GTA02. Feb 06 18:50:36 :) Feb 06 18:50:39 SpeedEvil: my guess does seem to make sense, at least... that's how I'd do it Feb 06 18:50:58 SpeedEvil: nah, I already made a cunning plan to test the gta02 cpufreq code without needing a gta02 Feb 06 18:51:03 unless there is an onboard oscillator Feb 06 18:51:11 SpeedEvil: just abuse the fact that qemu's emulation of these registers is pretty weak Feb 06 18:51:45 SpeedEvil: and force my code to use the 2442 variant even on the 2410 (obviously, that can be done only in qemu...) Feb 06 18:52:50 SpeedEvil: well, there are only two frequencies going into the chip... the RTC (which we know is not connected) and the XTAL or EXTCLK (only one of them). Either way, the kernel assumes 12MHz in the gta01 and gta02 board codes. Feb 06 18:53:30 SpeedEvil: there'd be no need for an on-chip free-running oscilator. This is not a 8-bit toy, we always have the 12MHz clock. Feb 06 19:06:32 mickey_away, emdete: i was looking the pygsmd and noticed that the prototype does not implement the proposed standard - why? Feb 06 19:08:41 XorA: do you know exactly where I could find machine.conf Feb 06 19:08:54 conf/machine/*.conf Feb 06 19:11:56 mudyc_: because i started work with pygsmd before the proposal started. know we discuss the correct behavior with dbus and i will implement the api asap. the idea is that python is easy enough to use to change the api as often as needed Feb 06 19:13:37 * anrp nods; expediancy Feb 06 19:14:32 something that works now may (or may not?) be as valuable as something better that works in the future Feb 06 19:15:01 anrp: and with python you are able to check different aproaches against usability also Feb 06 19:16:13 emdete: ok, thanks. when i get free time during my daily basis i try to port the unit test code for the py-proto. and when it passes and standard stabilizes we may port the c implementation too. Feb 06 19:16:55 mudyc: but be aware that the dbus api will change soon... Feb 06 19:18:29 well but when the test passes then it's developers fault if test fails ;) Feb 06 19:18:48 mudyc: not if i change the api by intention ;) Feb 06 19:19:52 emdete: it's still the developer's fault, since he should change the test at the same time ;-) Feb 06 19:20:09 cesarb: shit, you got me ;) Feb 06 19:21:11 "commit message: api changed. test fails by intention" =) Feb 06 19:21:16 http://chezseb.net/openmoko/gps-6fev08.png Feb 06 19:21:18 :D :D Feb 06 19:21:20 -_-" Feb 06 19:33:08 Seb`: you do realize that picture shows with a precision of a couple of meters where you are, right? Feb 06 19:35:06 cesarb: Shhh Feb 06 19:35:12 cesarb: it's an exercise for wanabe stalkers Feb 06 19:35:26 cesarb: the location is actually an MoD firing range Feb 06 19:37:36 lol Stephmw Feb 06 19:38:02 :) Feb 06 19:38:34 cesarb: the bright ones will complain about the coords, the stupid ones will be weeded out of the gene pool, and the clever ones are outside Seb`'s house as we speak Feb 06 19:39:19 . Feb 06 19:39:20 euh Feb 06 19:42:22 http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/02/06/1812247 - who will win the race? GTA02 or DNF? Feb 06 19:43:24 I hope GTA02 Feb 06 19:45:46 Hmm, page won't load for me Feb 06 19:46:09 I plugged the neos on /. earlier this morning (in the OLPC story) and got a +5 Feb 06 19:47:07 It will be a simultaneous release, DNF on GTA02 Feb 06 19:47:35 cesarb: notice how Seb` has gone all quiet? Feb 06 19:48:37 wurp2: I guess I kind of expect the /. crowd to know about the neo, but maybe not Feb 06 19:50:14 the gps coords : not precise... Feb 06 19:51:22 summatusmentis: I have yet to see a story on it, which I think it certainly deserves Feb 06 19:51:41 It might be better to wait for the FreeRunner release though, from FIC's point of view Feb 06 19:52:02 yeah, that'd make sense Feb 06 19:52:48 * Stephmw teases Seb` some more Feb 06 19:54:29 chut Stephmw Feb 06 19:54:31 :/ Feb 06 20:28:56 Urgh, the 2442 frequency switching routine is becoming twice as big and twice as ugly as the 2410 one Feb 06 20:35:13 Created commit a20de7c: Experimental S3C2410A cpufreq driver (core) - GTA02 support Feb 06 20:35:13 1 files changed, 829 insertions(+), 233 deletions(-) Feb 06 20:36:15 heh Feb 06 20:44:49 cesarb: nice :) Feb 06 20:47:59 let's just hope that significantly drops power-consumption :) Feb 06 20:48:14 dennda: it doesn't even compile yet Feb 06 20:48:43 oh Feb 06 20:48:45 well, a brick doesn't draw much power Feb 06 20:48:59 you can only go downhill from here on the power consumption front Feb 06 20:51:41 I got so fed-up by my nokia 9300i more every day. It seems that Neo will not ship before April, if not after. I will have to buy something till then Feb 06 20:52:52 i can't even write an sms on my nokia 3310 from stoneage... Feb 06 20:52:54 battery life unacceptable on the 1973? Feb 06 20:53:12 waiting for this thing to come out Feb 06 20:54:05 smhar: definately but 2nd quarter 2009 Feb 06 20:55:10 tbh, i'd hope for 2nd quarter 2008 myself Feb 06 20:55:51 pepperjack, it is something that is worth waiting for, for sure. Feb 06 20:56:48 pepperjack, I've had it with this so called, business model that does not even have a vibrating mode! it is time for an alternative for now Feb 06 20:57:02 pepperjack, and I hope a short lived one :-) Feb 06 20:58:44 well if the hardware is ready, give it to me ;) I can update the software, but not the hardware :) Feb 06 20:59:55 hey, how do i go about updating the gta01 and putting new software on it? Feb 06 21:00:26 there's probably a tutorial thingey on the wiki Feb 06 21:00:35 yea, had a look... can't find anything like that =\ Feb 06 21:01:26 Moniker42: do you mean to update everything, or add a new package? Feb 06 21:01:33 update everything Feb 06 21:01:35 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973 Feb 06 21:01:40 i'd maybe start there? Feb 06 21:01:41 then i'd like to try adding new packages and such Feb 06 21:01:52 k.. Feb 06 21:30:10 hey, i'm trying to SSH into the neo through USB, but i get the following error Feb 06 21:30:10 ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 Feb 06 21:30:18 arg, wrong paste. Feb 06 21:30:58 http://rafb.net/p/9pEPdO66.html Feb 06 21:32:16 you need root access Feb 06 21:32:51 i.e. sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 Feb 06 21:33:06 bbl Feb 06 21:34:22 i tried that, slightly different error Feb 06 21:34:23 SIOCSIFADDR: No such device Feb 06 21:34:23 usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device Feb 06 21:34:23 SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device Feb 06 21:35:05 or is "usb0" only the default? Feb 06 21:36:01 <_diego_> do u have usbnet compiled in kernel? Feb 06 21:37:04 <_diego_> try to unplug and then plug again neo, and see if your kernel recognize it Feb 06 21:37:25 <_diego_> you should see something like this, using dmesg: Feb 06 21:37:28 <_diego_> usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:10.2-2 Feb 06 21:40:34 * Moniker42 tries that Feb 06 21:41:17 hmm, and it works Feb 06 21:41:34 maybe the kernel just doesn't like it being there at startup Feb 06 21:45:20