**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 07 02:59:57 2008 Feb 07 07:11:22 moin Feb 07 08:47:48 morning Feb 07 09:03:00 Morning TRIsoft Feb 07 10:34:49 got a question regarding the freerunner - what is the sound card and how would it compare with an ipod's sound quality i use high quality inner ear headphones and want to know .... Feb 07 10:36:38 dbmoodb: codec is comparable to iphone Feb 07 10:36:43 dbmoodb: same company Feb 07 10:36:51 s/iphone/ipod/ Feb 07 10:36:55 sound quality should be similar ? Feb 07 10:37:13 dbmoodb: the only differences will come from board layout, which we dont know yet Feb 07 10:37:46 XorA: there's also the ALSA settings... weren't people having problem with some of the 100+ mixer settings not being the ideal some time ago? Feb 07 10:38:13 cesarb: possibly, most of the settings I made on a half working gta01bv2 Feb 07 10:38:18 XorA: things like noise which was cured by reducing one of the settings from the maximum... Feb 07 10:38:42 XorA: :P Feb 07 10:38:46 cesarb: I dont have the equipment here to check the noise levels Feb 07 10:38:49 well just so you know - noise will be picked up a lot by my headphones and the volume has to be low Feb 07 10:40:28 cesarb: I improved the mixer of gta02, now there are no hard coded scenatios so people can really have fun Feb 07 10:41:00 i just know there is noise with the iphone apparently Feb 07 10:41:36 dbmoodb: the problem with noises, we dont know what will be there until board layout is finalised Feb 07 10:41:42 dbmoodb: so cross your fingers Feb 07 10:42:10 ah but has any one tested the v1 /v2 as they are now ? Feb 07 10:42:23 cpufreq-core: new min and max freqs are 75000 - 400000 kHz Feb 07 10:42:27 dbmoodb: I have, but its not representative on my model as its broken Feb 07 10:43:15 * cesarb wonders if the om kernel devs get all the refuse units to play with :D Feb 07 10:43:26 cesarb: pretty much :-D Feb 07 10:44:50 ok, this gta02 cpufreq code is working as expected on qemu (which doesn't mean it will work fine on the real device; for instance, on gta01 I found the code was ordering the register writes wrong and going out of spec) Feb 07 10:45:02 well the specs on the wolfson how do they compare - i'm not a real audiophile so... Feb 07 10:45:35 since it's utterly untested, and has a lot of notifiers missing (including for the spi, which means I have no idea how the glamo would behave), I wouldn't recommend anyone who is not a kernel dev to play with it on a gta02 Feb 07 10:49:16 dbmoodb: if the volume has to be low, you will pick more noise... there's not much way to avoid it (the noise stays the same, but the signal is weaker) Feb 07 10:49:20 oops too late Feb 07 12:38:22 quickly doing some research... what other widget stacks could you use on OM (given the time/money investment)? GTK, Qt, wx, (Java)... Evas/E... Feb 07 12:41:29 Stephmw: almost all you get the source I guess Feb 07 12:42:13 florian: it's that 'all' I'm curious about, I've done some googling but I can't figure out the names ;) Feb 07 12:42:41 morning Feb 07 12:42:46 pffft Feb 07 12:42:48 hey mickeyl Feb 07 12:42:51 mickeyl: PFFT! Feb 07 12:42:55 StealthCP: athena widgets FTW! Feb 07 12:43:05 steph: Feb 07 12:43:08 :-) Feb 07 12:43:14 Haha Feb 07 12:43:14 hi mickeyl, hi raster Feb 07 12:43:15 Stephmw: anything that has an X11 backend, but the sane choices are much fewer ;) Feb 07 12:43:21 mickeyl: cheerio miss Sophie Feb 07 12:43:28 oops Feb 07 12:43:33 s/mickeyl/raster/ Feb 07 12:43:35 mickeyl: did I miss any sane choices? Feb 07 12:44:46 :) Feb 07 12:44:59 * Stephmw pictures raster in heels Feb 07 12:45:12 mickeyl: are we going to have a stardnard openembedded/openmoko applications.menu? Feb 07 12:45:16 Stephmw: there's also JUCE which is very promising, but first you need to remove the x86 asm out of it Feb 07 12:45:44 raster: what does such a menu bring us in addition to .desktop files? Feb 07 12:45:58 mickeyl: u already have the .desktop files Feb 07 12:46:05 does anyone know of a micro with a fast square-wave IQ synth? I'm looking for a (ideally) 1-50Mhz + synth Feb 07 12:46:07 oops Feb 07 12:46:10 the .menu gives you a standard structure/ordering of them Feb 07 12:46:19 i.e. defines which ones go into a menu - which dont Feb 07 12:46:37 wqhat categories/submenus there are and what belongs in each (by category) Feb 07 12:46:58 mickeyl: oh, interesting... I hadn't come across that one Feb 07 12:47:10 Stephmw: hardly anyone knows about it Feb 07 12:47:43 raster: i see. i have to see a .menu file to get an idea about how redundant this is wrt. .desktop files (which have categories as well) Feb 07 12:48:06 ah Feb 07 12:48:18 it's basically a virtual structure on top of it Feb 07 12:48:26 doing more or less the same what matchbox vfolders does Feb 07 12:48:34 only a bit more standardized Feb 07 12:48:51 yes, sounds good. once we have support for more than matchbox in OE this becomes interesting Feb 07 12:48:57 mickeyl: the .menu says "applications contains cateogries "apps", "tools" "utilities" etc. Feb 07 12:49:08 it can also assign an icon to that parent menu Feb 07 12:49:17 it also defines order Feb 07 12:49:24 ie whihc one is first/last Feb 07 12:49:53 it can ALSO define more directories for .desktop files Feb 07 12:49:56 and import them Feb 07 12:49:56 etc. Feb 07 12:50:02 * Stephmw wonders about MIZI's Prism.... Feb 07 12:50:17 ... doesn't look OSS Feb 07 12:50:19 either way its "Standard" Feb 07 12:50:30 ya Feb 07 12:50:35 have a look at http://svnweb.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/misc/openmoko-today2-folders/ Feb 07 12:50:41 gnome/kde/xfce/e17 all use it for the "applications menus" Feb 07 12:50:43 same concept, different implementation Feb 07 12:50:57 so no reason for us not to as well Feb 07 12:50:57 :) Feb 07 12:51:25 hmm Feb 07 12:51:26 yeah Feb 07 12:51:28 seems similar Feb 07 12:51:50 all we need to do is ship a standard /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu file Feb 07 12:52:07 that has standard menus/categories etc. etc. Feb 07 12:52:16 it's up to apps to use it or not Feb 07 12:52:30 but it does mean all standrad desktop utils that deal with the system app menu will work Feb 07 12:52:41 ya. back those days freedesktop didn't have much of these standards done, that's why mb probably never implemented them. i need to ask mallum whether they do now. in any case we want to have this functionality also in mb at least for the transition period Feb 07 12:54:39 it can just fall back to its current mechanism i guess Feb 07 12:54:40 :) Feb 07 12:56:32 wtf Feb 07 13:02:27 wtf! Feb 07 13:14:18 * HistoryOnTheRoad has a question about Power management related things Feb 07 13:15:51 I'm wondering about first making the toolbar icon display match the current battery status better. I think that is the "easy" part of PM stuff Feb 07 13:22:40 HistoryOnTheRoad: how should it match it better? Feb 07 13:22:57 as such at the kernel level detail of battery level is very coarse Feb 07 13:23:08 the icon is only displaying what the kernel returns via APM Feb 07 13:24:51 raster: Hmmmm. I have a mid-January build (which might be ancient in this regard, I dunno), and it doesn't really seem to change the display at all. The only reliable way to get an update is to plug into a USB source, get the charging icon, unplug, on my revision. Feb 07 13:25:44 hmmm Feb 07 13:25:49 might be a bug in thre applet Feb 07 13:25:51 raster: I can cat from battvolt and get an estimate (very rough, and I assume matching the kernel) and know exactly where I stand, battery wise though. Feb 07 13:25:56 well the module for mb-panel Feb 07 13:26:33 raster: If there's a bug, I've got an itch :), cause it's been bugging me for a while. Feb 07 13:26:50 /proc/apm should give u the full details Feb 07 13:28:30 I think this is a good start point. If I can make the mb-panel work in a reasonable way, then I can have confidence that I'm not just about to run out of juice doing something. Then I can try and figure out something about how the PM functions should work, and what controls them Feb 07 13:29:28 * raster isn't worried Feb 07 13:29:41 i have a plan Feb 07 13:29:42 :) Feb 07 13:30:08 "I love it when a plan comes together" :P Feb 07 13:31:02 "I love the sound of a deadline rushing by." Feb 07 13:34:50 hehe Feb 07 13:36:45 raster: Is there any doco on what emits from /proc/apm? Feb 07 13:37:34 HistoryOnTheRoad: not that i know of Feb 07 13:37:40 its just old and well known Feb 07 13:37:46 had code forever to read that Feb 07 13:38:23 "old and well known" ... I know it just like the back of my hand :P Feb 07 13:39:01 spenmd 30 seconds with google Feb 07 13:39:09 cat: /proc/apm: No such file or directory Feb 07 13:39:12 *whistles* Feb 07 13:39:12 like "/proc/apm +format" Feb 07 13:39:33 blindcoder: on the neo? Feb 07 13:39:55 raster: no, unfortunately not :( Feb 07 13:40:10 the neo has apm as the interface Feb 07 13:40:19 apm is deprecated in preference for acpi on pc desktops Feb 07 13:40:23 they USED to use apm Feb 07 13:40:31 raster: What's google? :D (Already reading results when you mentioned it) Feb 07 13:40:44 if u have an old laptop u'll probably have /proc/apm Feb 07 13:41:47 raster: So refs about "Standard linux" (cough) APM should apply just fine? I found a HOWTO that looks interesting Feb 07 13:42:02 yes Feb 07 13:42:07 thats what i was saying Feb 07 13:42:12 its been around for so long Feb 07 13:42:19 that its even deprecated now Feb 07 13:42:32 but still exists in the kernel as an interface and older hardware has it Feb 07 13:42:42 "It's been around so long, it's used up it's retirement benefits" Feb 07 13:43:41 raster: It's always good to pick stuff that is well used, hopefully that means it's well understood. Feb 07 13:44:11 Does the neo use apmd (or something of similar lineage), then? Feb 07 13:44:27 it has apmd - yes Feb 07 13:44:57 "kapmd"? Feb 07 13:45:06 no Feb 07 13:45:08 regular i think Feb 07 13:45:17 turn on your neo, ssh in and check Feb 07 13:45:17 :) Feb 07 13:45:25 time for a small nap Feb 07 13:45:28 I'm holding it in my hand. Feb 07 13:45:29 :) Feb 07 13:45:43 raster: Thanks for the pointers, it'll get me going. Feb 07 13:46:06 * HistoryOnTheRoad really needs to understand how to do a sensible "ps" in Linux :S Feb 07 13:46:57 Coming from FreeBSD, everything is similar but the flags for commands are often slightly different. Feb 07 14:07:16 HistoryOnTheRoad: try ps waux Feb 07 14:07:43 i know the feeling but i found myself adapting very quickly Feb 07 14:16:28 +f => pstree Feb 07 14:16:31 ps fauxw Feb 07 14:18:02 ps wtf Feb 07 14:25:21 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r71 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/ (5 files in 2 dirs): gsm0710muxd: ship dbus service file Feb 07 14:29:04 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r72 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/ (ChangeLog data/Makefile.am data/gsm0710muxd): gsm0710muxd: remove init script, activation goes via dbus now Feb 07 14:30:14 someone is doing work on gsmd and related things :) Feb 07 14:30:52 * Kero should look into that dbus interface, hopefully its more useful than libgsmd Feb 07 15:11:52 hmm Feb 07 15:11:53 ~lart dbus Feb 07 15:11:53 * apt resizes dbus's terminal to 40x24 Feb 07 15:19:24 openmoko: 03graeme * r4025 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-bt/src/openmoko-panel-bt.c: Feb 07 15:19:24 openmoko: Update panel-applet-bt to check for different paths used in 2.6.22.5 and Feb 07 15:19:24 openmoko: 2.6.24. Feb 07 15:41:18 buz: True enough, it's mostly a matter of knowing which switches to use really Feb 07 15:43:12 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r73 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/data/Makefile.am: gsm0710muxd: fix service file @bindir@ substitution Feb 07 15:43:51 Kero: I saw your ML post on gsmd ... good stuff. :) Feb 07 15:45:39 buz: True enough, it's mostly a matter of knowing which switches to use really Feb 07 15:46:00 buz: (I said that before, after you left but before I realized it :)) Feb 07 15:46:17 :) Feb 07 15:46:37 i gave up on freebsd during the 5.X cycle Feb 07 15:47:29 HistoryOnTheRoad: thx. like I said (75 minutes ago), should add dbus at the client-side. Feb 07 15:47:37 and then just hope ppl will *use* it Feb 07 15:48:00 Ah, never give up. :P I've been a FreeBSDer since 2.0.X ... lots of warts through the years, but it has it's amazing points Feb 07 17:20:29 Hah! Feb 07 17:20:44 Yesterday I said here I was waiting to ssh into my contact lenses Feb 07 17:20:47 http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/02/05/bionic-contact-lens.html Feb 07 17:23:03 They are missing a rather huge point. Feb 07 17:23:20 Going from LEDs to directed sharp beams of light is hard. Feb 07 17:24:08 If you just put lights in front of the eye, all you get is blurs Feb 07 17:24:27 you need to make them look like objects at infinity Feb 07 17:25:02 SpeedEvil: As much as that may seem true offhand, I very seriously doubt that it is Feb 07 17:25:24 i reckon SpeedEvil's right Feb 07 17:25:26 I'm pretty sure those guys' view of the problem after spending months on it is deeper than your first impression after 2 minutes of looking at it Feb 07 17:25:55 they may in fact have addressed the problem Feb 07 17:26:15 but not bothered to mention it in the press release Feb 07 17:26:18 I've looked into this moderately deeply - this is a recurring misunderstanding. Feb 07 17:26:29 I believe all it would require is to put the leds in a tiny opaque cylinder oriented perpendicular to the surface of the eye Feb 07 17:26:33 Sure - it may be addressed - but it's not comploetely trivial Feb 07 17:26:34 so the light is essentially collimated Feb 07 17:26:36 the LEDs are tiny, and in front of the lens of your eye Feb 07 17:26:53 a tiny LED in front of your eye is simply a defocussed blur Feb 07 17:27:06 that would seem a blur, indeed. Feb 07 17:27:11 If it hits only a small portion of your retina, it doesn't matter Feb 07 17:27:22 wurp2: but it doesn't. Feb 07 17:27:27 yup, it needs to be a very narrow beam led Feb 07 17:27:42 hence the opaque cylinder I was talking about Feb 07 17:27:52 of course, I pulled that out of my ass Feb 07 17:27:53 then, they have "openings" where the LEDs go into Feb 07 17:27:56 wurp2: if you have a 60 degree emssion LED next to the eye, it looks like a 60 degree blur Feb 07 17:28:08 but again, I would be shocked if they haven't addressed this Feb 07 17:28:12 essentially the LEDs need to be lasers Feb 07 17:28:15 I wouldn't. Feb 07 17:28:16 again, hence the cylinder Feb 07 17:28:38 if the cylinder is long compared to the width of the light source, problem solved Feb 07 17:28:45 cylinder has problems - diffraction Feb 07 17:30:08 wishful thinking is very powerful :) Feb 07 17:30:39 I wish holograms worked like they did on star-trek. Feb 07 17:31:14 Alas, the best you get is for the projecting surface to be a window into the hologramatic world. Feb 07 17:31:40 Certainly diffraction exists... without doing the math you can't say anything more than that Feb 07 17:31:43 Anyone know why buildhost hasn't updated in over a week? Feb 07 17:32:05 One thing that it quite interesting is that often, floaters in the vitrous part of the eyeball are actually fairly well focused Feb 07 17:32:13 wurp2: annoyingly I've done hte math Feb 07 17:32:20 StealthCP: they're next to the retina Feb 07 17:32:43 wurp2: the eyes resolution is pretty much equal to the diffraction limit of a 2mm lens. Feb 07 17:33:28 If you have a .01mm lens, you're going to have 1/200th the resolution of the eye Feb 07 18:45:32 kdean06: I think that means no one knows why :-) Feb 07 18:45:52 I've been offered one suggestion. :P Feb 07 18:45:57 Chinese New Year. :) Feb 07 18:46:10 hmm, maybe so Feb 07 18:46:26 I submitted something to the device-owners lists... I think it's more likely a script error somewhere. Feb 07 18:47:00 you still haven't had the app list in the upper left corner of the neo die? Feb 07 18:47:21 That section of the title bar goes black for me, and then I see a mouse cursor Feb 07 18:47:38 and short press of aux and power button both fail to do anything Feb 07 18:48:21 I've had that happen one time. Feb 07 18:48:35 I recall the cursor... I don't remember the top panel dying. Feb 07 18:52:23 I guess that it might be related to the media player Feb 07 18:52:29 It's the only app I have open almost all the time Feb 07 18:52:52 And it seems to happen when I click on the drop-down too quickly after I unlock the screen Feb 07 18:53:12 Or maybe when I tap on it multiple times Feb 07 18:53:32 speaking of the top panel, what happened to the keyboard icon? Feb 07 18:53:53 They had a bug with the matchbox-keyboard Feb 07 18:54:12 So they replaced it with the multitap-pad, which opens automatically "when you need it" Feb 07 18:54:37 hrm... that becomes a problem, there's no way to input stuff when i open qvfb Feb 07 18:54:48 I've put instructions on the wiki how to bring up matchbox-keyboard, but it's very kludgy Feb 07 18:54:58 ah , i'll look for it Feb 07 18:55:01 I dunno how to put the icon back & let you use it that way Feb 07 18:55:08 I think it's Switching_Keyboards Feb 07 18:55:48 It's linked from some of kdean06's release review notes Feb 07 18:55:50 thanks i found it, but now multitap-pad is the replacement for matchbox-keyboard Feb 07 18:56:05 I don't think that's permanent Feb 07 18:56:18 But that is something of a guess :-( Feb 07 18:56:34 poop... can multitap-pad be forced to open? Feb 07 18:56:41 Not easily. Feb 07 18:56:52 I think it's the same kludge, more or less Feb 07 18:56:58 killall multitap-pad Feb 07 18:57:02 then multitap-pad Feb 07 18:57:05 (with no -d) Feb 07 18:57:14 i'll give it a whirl ... Feb 07 18:57:51 I personally much prefer matchbox-keyboard, since it has things like Esc, /, Tab... Feb 07 18:57:55 thanks for the keyboards tip... Feb 07 18:57:58 yw Feb 07 18:58:09 ditto, i was thinking of using a bluetooth keyboard, if it works.. Feb 07 18:58:24 I know several ppl are doing that Feb 07 18:58:54 Bluetooth keyboards kind of defeat the point of being mobile though. Feb 07 18:59:03 Input in general sucks on OM as of today. Feb 07 18:59:21 Either the mb keyboard breaks some things, or the multi-tap breaks otehrs. Feb 07 18:59:32 ./agree, but we are are using the openmoko to do some phoneME work, so mobility is not too much of a concern. Feb 07 18:59:47 I've got high hopes for raster's keyboard, whenever it should arrive. Feb 07 19:00:19 bluetooth foldable keyboard is an option Feb 07 19:00:24 at least if you have a place to sit down Feb 07 19:00:27 inwoo: wouldn't happen to have an online presence for that work? Feb 07 19:01:18 Stephmw: not as of yet, still sort of in its infancy . Feb 07 19:01:38 Stephmw, but as it becomes more mature, i will do so. Feb 07 19:02:16 inwoo: can I ask broadly what the work covers? Feb 07 19:02:28 * Stephmw has an interest in J2ME, it shows Feb 07 19:03:22 Stephmw: it involves getting the QVFB and PhoneME running, for development purposes of java applications Feb 07 19:04:05 inwoo: that's a pretty good goal - what UI layers is phoneme using? something on X? Feb 07 19:05:04 not at this point, QT's Virtual framebuffer is being used at this point to run phoneme Feb 07 19:05:25 ok Feb 07 19:22:24 wurp2: i guess matchbox-keyboard isn't even installed on the latest builds... Feb 07 19:22:46 inwoo: That's right, you have to install it Feb 07 19:22:52 I think I may have left that off of my page Feb 07 19:23:47 I fixed the page Feb 07 19:24:03 wurp2: no worries, no space left on my rootfs...great Feb 07 19:24:23 Do you have a package dir set up on your card? Feb 07 19:24:31 i guess i'll need to do that Feb 07 19:24:44 I created /media/card/ipkg, then added a dest to /etc/ipkg.conf for it Feb 07 19:25:04 And I install almost everything to that location, instead of on the flash Feb 07 19:25:26 The big caveat is that you must install ipkg-link on the flash Feb 07 19:25:39 probably for the better, i always seem to flash my device for some reason or another Feb 07 19:25:48 Yeah Feb 07 19:25:57 I have a little script sequence I run after every flahs Feb 07 19:26:02 is there a write up? ... i'm guessing ipkg-link makes it possible to install on the card Feb 07 19:26:41 inwoo: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Package_management Feb 07 19:26:58 great, ty. Feb 07 19:27:15 Oh, I forgot to tell you the OTHER big caveat Feb 07 19:27:23 you have to reformat your card as ext2 Feb 07 19:27:32 mine is already at ext3 Feb 07 19:27:40 I personally created two partitions on my card, one fat and one ext2 Feb 07 19:27:43 hehe.. Feb 07 19:27:44 oh, then you're good Feb 07 20:02:25 hi Feb 07 20:03:08 hi PBeck Feb 07 20:03:56 hi summatusmentis Feb 07 20:37:34 Hello all Feb 07 20:38:04 I am looking for a Linux Phone with a Qwerty Keyboard does anyone know one? (eg, does a OpenMoko have that?) Feb 07 20:38:31 Could use a USB one with the right cabling and power for the keyboard. Feb 07 20:38:40 openmoko is a linux distribution for phones Feb 07 20:39:08 Aria_, But I want it in my Poket ;) Feb 07 20:39:10 hard to have a hardware keyboard in software Feb 07 20:39:23 zash, I didnt know that. I thought it was a Phone Type ;) Feb 07 20:39:59 common missconception Feb 07 20:40:31 the neo 1973 & freerunner does not have qwerty or even keyboard Feb 07 20:40:35 So, Zash can I isntall OpenMoko on anykind of Phone? (Since I really want to have QWERTY(like the HTC Phones) and Linux) Feb 07 20:41:08 Robin_: not yet Feb 07 20:41:09 but some Feb 07 20:41:23 In theory, yes. In practice, it probably won't work well enough to be usable without lots of hacking. Feb 07 20:41:45 there is a page on the wiki with hardware that ppl have put openmoko on Feb 07 20:42:16 Werll, I am a programer in C. So first I thought about reading how GPRS works so Coding that part in it myself. But well I found OpenMoko and I kinda feld lucky ;) Feb 07 20:42:32 zash, Ah, thanks Ill look there. Maybe my quest can finaly be over ^^ Feb 07 20:43:19 not many as of yet thou :( Feb 07 20:43:21 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko-supported_hardware Feb 07 20:43:33 Thanks :) Feb 07 20:43:42 Robin_: take a look at #HTC-Linux Feb 07 20:43:48 Well, If I get one with USE. And I learn how FrogPads wiork that should be fine ^^ Feb 07 20:43:58 CVirus, Will do, thanks AGAIN ;) Feb 07 20:44:04 Robin_: no problem Feb 07 20:44:16 Robin_: some dude here have the neo and apple bt keyboard Feb 07 20:45:43 zash, but that one is like HUGE ;)? Feb 07 20:46:13 normal keyboard without numpad, but very thin Feb 07 20:46:44 there is some foldable keyboard too Feb 07 20:47:22 zash, Frog pad is half of a normalkeybord without Numlock, but problem is though, you have to learn typing with it ;) Feb 07 20:47:50 But, I can ask a electronics buddy of mine to build one for me. A Small one. I guess I just do that and buy a Neo (it has a USB right?) Feb 07 20:48:01 yes Feb 07 20:48:17 the gta02 aka freerunner has powerd usb Feb 07 20:48:42 zash: Wow. When was that information released? Feb 07 20:48:48 Ah, well Ill just look into the FreeRunner and the Neo then and decite then what I want ;) Feb 07 20:48:53 Ebbe: powerd usb? Feb 07 20:48:59 zash: Yes Feb 07 20:49:39 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973#.22Phase_2.22_.28GTA02.2C_.22Mass_Market.22.29 Feb 07 20:49:52 in the grey box Feb 07 20:49:54 * USB Host function with power Feb 07 20:50:33 zash: I must have been sleeping for a while, because that is really cool, and I should have noticed it :) Feb 07 20:50:41 anyone good here with electronics? :) Feb 07 20:50:42 what's powered USB ? Feb 07 20:50:43 Atheros Wifi !! =D YEY I need this THing :P Feb 07 20:51:05 Robin_: :) Feb 07 20:51:46 What is the Full Name of it? Neo1443? Feb 07 20:52:10 Neo 1973 Feb 07 20:52:27 and Neo Freerunner is the one with wifi and stuff Feb 07 20:52:44 Robin_: http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/keyboard.jpg Feb 07 20:53:22 ah, so the Freerunner has: Wifi, USB, BT, and GPS? Feb 07 20:53:23 zash: You've got the keyboard workin? Feb 07 20:53:36 Robin_: Yes. It's nice Feb 07 20:53:40 zash, And that Picture.. WHWH! =D Feb 07 20:53:58 Ebbe: i have no neo :( and that is some pic someone posted somewhere Feb 07 20:54:18 Is the Neo Freerunner already for Sale? :P Feb 07 20:54:33 zash: Damn :/ I have that exact keyboard, and can't get it to work with the Neo Feb 07 20:54:48 Robin_: no, see topic Feb 07 20:54:51 zash: You can't backtrace the person? Feb 07 20:55:19 zash, sorry :) Feb 07 20:56:07 zash: Uhh, he is also hosting a btkeyboard.tar.bz2 one dir up from the picture :) Feb 07 20:56:07 hm Feb 07 20:56:27 ~log Feb 07 20:56:28 i heard log is as piece of wood, or a record, or the opposite of exponentiation Feb 07 20:56:36 :( Feb 07 21:01:14 Neo Freerunner!! =D I need one.. Feb 07 21:01:35 Lol, I al really Bouncing on this chair atm.. -.-' Feb 07 21:02:15 Ebbe: http://www.google.se/search?q=site%3Alogs.nslu2-linux.org+keyboard.jpg+openmoko Feb 07 21:03:13 zash: Hey, thanks! Feb 07 21:04:27 zash, Ur swedish right?:P Since my Google is swedish now.. heh Feb 07 21:04:29 np :D Feb 07 21:04:40 Robin_: yupp Feb 07 21:04:58 MiniKey is also really cool if you have USB and want a keybaord ;) Feb 07 21:05:08 Dimensions : 8 cm x 5 cm x 1 cm (maximum sizes) Feb 07 21:05:43 Robin_: MiniKey looks cool Feb 07 21:06:27 I just found it, I just need to buy one :P Feb 07 21:06:36 how is the onscreen keyboard currently? Feb 07 21:06:43 Though, I need o save my money for my DriverLicense :/ Umm, Hard... Feb 07 21:08:23 Robin_: You can get the Neo 1973 now if you're willing to debug some and use alpha software Feb 07 21:08:33 and beta hardware Feb 07 21:08:36 summatusmentis: It is multitap and it sucks Feb 07 21:08:40 wurp2, AH, I always are :P Feb 07 21:08:43 am* Feb 07 21:08:43 zash: Excellent point Feb 07 21:08:52 I use Gentoo linux ;) so heh Feb 07 21:09:01 wurp2: can it be fixed? Feb 07 21:09:18 Also, I am a Coder and I like to make myself think I am good in it Feb 07 21:09:19 we could rotate the screen, and have a keyboard almost fullscreen Feb 07 21:09:38 The main diff between 1973 & FreeRunner is lack of wifi, half cpu speed, some power mgmt hardware missing, and lack of accelerometers Feb 07 21:09:52 summatusmentis: See Switching_Keyboards on the wiki Feb 07 21:10:12 wurp2, Well I need Wifi. Feb 07 21:10:19 Yeah, IMO we should have a full screen landscape keyboard overlaid on the data Feb 07 21:10:29 wurp2: and unpowerd usb port Feb 07 21:10:37 Robin_: In that case you're out of luck unless you want to wire in a powered usb hub & port a wifi driver Feb 07 21:10:47 zash: Ah yes, that too Feb 07 21:10:59 wurp2, Not a good idea to much wires in a Plane ;) I think I get some troubles then Feb 07 21:11:13 josch: ping Feb 07 21:11:24 Robin_: I have some instructions for powered hub (for another device (gp2x), but no difference) on the web Feb 07 21:11:29 Robin_: very true Feb 07 21:11:39 Ebbe, lol? Feb 07 21:11:43 It's unwieldy anyway Feb 07 21:11:58 josch: Have you had any succes with the freedom bt keyboard? Feb 07 21:12:09 Ebbe, unfortunately no Feb 07 21:12:16 josch: :( Feb 07 21:12:44 josch: Has torpor? Feb 07 21:12:58 josch: I saw you had a conversation about it Feb 07 21:13:25 I thought I was the only one with that kind of keyboard Feb 07 21:13:50 How much will the Neo Freerunner Cost? Feb 07 21:13:53 josch: Oh, he doesn't have one.. Feb 07 21:13:54 Aprox Feb 07 21:13:58 $450, I think Feb 07 21:14:30 ah only 300 Euros. I go nuts. Thats Cheaper then I thought it would be =D Feb 07 21:14:45 Ebbe, the problem was that aside from the keyboard only working on my ubuntu host and not on my neo it was broken and I send it back to the seller Feb 07 21:15:10 josch: Ahh, so now I'm the only one :) .. Feb 07 21:15:17 haha Feb 07 21:15:34 Ebbe, is yours fully working on other linux machines aside from openmoko Feb 07 21:16:01 Guys and Girls. Feb 07 21:16:06