**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 19 02:59:56 2008 Feb 19 04:20:13 Maybe someone here can help: Trying to make my Neo think its a BT HID. any takers **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 19 05:51:58 2008 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 19 05:52:15 2008 Feb 19 08:11:25 good morning Feb 19 08:26:19 Hello Everybody Feb 19 08:26:52 How to get U-Boot prompt in v2 device? Feb 19 09:38:49 Bonjour Feb 19 09:40:55 the protocol or the greeting? ;) Feb 19 10:00:21 morning Feb 19 10:59:07 good morning Feb 19 11:00:04 * adjaxio is away: miam Feb 19 11:02:12 * adjaxio is back (gone 00:02:08) Feb 19 11:02:38 * adjaxio is away: miam Feb 19 11:10:28 anyone interested in buying a GTA01? Feb 19 11:10:52 ramping up to get yout GTA02? Feb 19 11:11:30 yup Feb 19 11:14:25 wish I could say I'd be interested... but I get told off about my collection of old gadgets ;) Feb 19 11:14:53 'er indoors? i know the feeling Feb 19 11:15:35 it's not a big collection neither.. greenphone, SavaJe handsets, zaurus... Feb 19 11:15:41 * mjr thinks one gta01 will be sufficient... not yet sure if need to get two of 02, depends much on how the 01 power management progresses so if it's usable for wife... Feb 19 11:16:35 I prefer to keep my collection (frequently) usable Feb 19 11:17:39 ahven: it's true that I should ebay my 5000D for parts Feb 19 11:46:32 Hello Everybody Feb 19 11:46:52 I have GTA2 device. Feb 19 11:47:11 raddy: who are you? Feb 19 11:47:45 XorA: i am unofficial parter of openmoko Feb 19 11:47:50 raddy: *ENVY* Feb 19 11:48:15 How do i halt the boot process in GTA2? Feb 19 11:48:17 raddy: Im an OM employee, so if you let me know which partner I can offer the correct level of support :-D Feb 19 11:48:46 :D Feb 19 11:49:11 raddy: you have nothing on screen? Feb 19 11:49:27 raddy: connect a terminal program to /dev/ttyACM0 and hit enter to stop the boot Feb 19 11:49:47 XorA : ohh, it boots directly to OS Feb 19 11:50:08 raddy: there should be a 3 second pause before kernel loads Feb 19 11:50:22 raddy: in that window you can stop u-boot Feb 19 11:50:53 XorA : ohh Feb 19 11:52:24 XorA : but what every key i press boot process is not getting halted in openmoko. Feb 19 11:52:41 raddy: you need to do it by usb-serial Feb 19 11:53:06 XorA : ohh Feb 19 11:54:32 XorA : if i connect to usb serial would the kernel wait for key presses? Feb 19 11:54:47 raddy: kernel no, but u-boot speaks Feb 19 11:55:01 XorA : kewll Feb 19 11:55:28 raddy: and if your particular gta02 isnt answering by usb-serial you need to connect debug board and use real serial port Feb 19 11:55:44 XorA : ohhh, Feb 19 11:56:02 raddy: all the info is on the wiki Feb 19 11:56:20 XorA : can you point the url to me? Feb 19 11:56:36 wiki.openmoko.org Feb 19 11:57:11 XorA : i know the domain, but in which page there is info about GTA02? Feb 19 11:57:32 raddy: debug board for gta02 and gta01 are the same Feb 19 11:58:05 XorA : ohhh Feb 19 12:00:34 XorA : actually we have got early version of GTA02 as a valued partner. Feb 19 12:00:53 XorA : but we didn't get debug board Feb 19 12:01:02 XorA : do you know harry? Feb 19 12:01:15 raddy: no, I work remotely Feb 19 12:01:30 raddy: do you have a gta02v2 or v4? Feb 19 12:03:29 XorA: We have GTA02 aka free runner. Feb 19 12:03:56 raddy: the fact you said early makes me think you have an old prototype Feb 19 12:04:43 XorA : we have got the product 15 days back. Feb 19 12:06:14 morning Feb 19 12:09:06 XorA : so there is no any other way to halt it, right? Feb 19 12:09:14 raddy: no Feb 19 12:09:40 XorA : is it possible to flash u-boot after booting the kernel? Feb 19 12:09:54 unless maybe turning it on while holding aux stops it, that never used to work, but maybe it will with newer u-boot Feb 19 12:10:08 * rwhitby spots the gta02 in the wild, and wonders how to become a "valued partner" ... Feb 19 12:10:21 rwhitby: you dont want one yet :-D Feb 19 12:10:56 XorA: not as good as a gta01bv3 yet? Feb 19 12:11:11 rwhitby: there was a teeny hardware bug found that needs a rework Feb 19 12:11:21 rwhitby: otherwise it reboots at random Feb 19 12:11:53 yeah, read about those on the kernel list Feb 19 12:12:34 I can barely keep my gta02 running :-) Feb 19 12:12:42 but mine is truly ancient Feb 19 12:16:12 must be lunch time GMT Feb 19 12:16:29 GMT +2 is almost over :P Feb 19 12:17:58 XorA : actually it waits for sometime for key presses, but even if i press Aux key, it doesn't respond, what to do? Feb 19 12:18:40 raddy: well if it is waiting then you can use dfu-util to reflash Feb 19 12:19:09 XorA : it is only waiting for few seconds, there is no boot menu. Feb 19 12:21:18 XorA : any hints Feb 19 12:26:46 I'm trying to make openmoko-devel-image but failing at fetching 2.6.24 kernel from svn - http://pastebin.ca/909692 Feb 19 12:27:05 any suggestions? Feb 19 12:34:41 Hi. Just found http://tangogps.org/ Feb 19 12:34:45 Looks quite promising Feb 19 12:35:00 Any idea if it'll be possible to contribute back to openstreetmap using that tool? Feb 19 12:36:37 iirc it can take tracks, and you can convert them to gpx using gpsbabel, and then send off to osm (or draw ways based on them with JOSM or what have you) Feb 19 12:41:54 cool Feb 19 12:42:13 I actually don't know how the openstreetmap process works, but would love to send them information Feb 19 12:42:45 it's a bit more interactive than that :) Feb 19 12:44:36 frankly I have no idea yet Feb 19 12:45:11 well, GPS logs on their own aren't much good without georeferenced or time-synced photos of street signs and such Feb 19 12:45:23 better yet is to do the actual editing Feb 19 12:46:34 there's a flash applet on openstreetmap.org called potlatch, and an offline(ish) java editor called josm (login required to make edits in either case) Feb 19 12:47:34 there's been interaction between the potlatch author and the gnash team to get potlatch working in gnash, to escape the proprietary aspect of flash Feb 19 12:50:28 I've a laptop Feb 19 12:50:50 dennda: you'll want a wheel mouse to use josm Feb 19 12:51:20 Shouldn't it be possible to just take a walk and take notes of the streetnames? Feb 19 12:52:06 dennda: sure, but photos are better for proving that the data was gathered for real, not copied off other maps. Feb 19 12:52:45 ah i see Feb 19 12:53:07 what's the point of editing the data myself then? Feb 19 12:53:17 how can that be trusted Feb 19 12:53:56 well, there's nothing to stop you doing it, especially for a location you're familiar with Feb 19 12:54:08 that's what I intended Feb 19 12:54:17 the area where my parents live is just a big white spot Feb 19 12:54:35 but it's considered good practice to have some form of "i was there" evidence if you might not reasonably be expected to be familiar with it Feb 19 12:54:43 a gps trace is a pretty good start Feb 19 12:54:57 ok Feb 19 12:55:04 thanks for the introduction Feb 19 12:55:12 but the main thing you can do to protect yourself and osm is never, ever copy off other map sources as they can contain easter eggs Feb 19 12:55:13 will take a look at it when the thing finally hits the market :) Feb 19 12:55:44 didn't want to do that anyway Feb 19 12:56:16 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Copyright_Easter_Eggs Feb 19 12:56:47 thanks Feb 19 12:57:03 let's just hope that freerunner's ready due march :) Feb 19 13:16:33 is that realistic? Feb 19 13:16:54 (from a hardware point of view) Feb 19 13:20:18 Probably not. Feb 19 13:20:53 ok, i'll intensify my prayers Feb 19 13:27:34 hey guys somebody know why i can't build openmoko image using MokoMakefile? Feb 19 13:28:18 Have you sacrificed an otter? Feb 19 13:28:21 it complains about 2.6.24 kernel not on http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/ & it really not here Feb 19 13:28:27 Or is it a puppy this week? Feb 19 13:28:47 SpeedEvil, me? Feb 19 13:29:03 actually it looks for http://svn.openmoko.org/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/config/ Feb 19 13:29:08 which indeed contains a defconfig Feb 19 13:29:19 at least in revision 4086 Feb 19 13:29:49 do you really _need_ to build it? Feb 19 13:29:53 look at http://pastebin.ca/909692 Feb 19 13:30:05 yes Feb 19 13:30:13 it checks the mirror for the file Feb 19 13:30:13 aaa just making fresh install Feb 19 13:30:17 sees it's not present Feb 19 13:30:23 then checks out the upstream Feb 19 13:30:26 and for some reason it fails Feb 19 13:32:10 yeah, but i don't really know what reason is it Feb 19 13:32:19 let see Feb 19 13:32:50 aah Feb 19 13:32:52 3801 Feb 19 13:33:06 i guess its looking for a wrong revision Feb 19 13:33:31 try SRCREV_pn-linux-openmoko ?= "4079" Feb 19 13:33:36 in sane-srcrevs.inc Feb 19 13:33:44 hi all Feb 19 13:35:00 hi kahless_ Feb 19 13:35:20 mickey|lunch, bon appetite Feb 19 13:35:24 merci Feb 19 13:41:52 so, whats up today? Feb 19 14:16:42 Will python (and pygtk) be part of OpenMoko? Feb 19 14:19:13 'part of'? iirc there's already packages for these Feb 19 14:19:57 python-pygtk remains one option among others to create applications for the OM platform Feb 19 14:20:05 Ok Feb 19 14:20:08 great Feb 19 14:21:42 Hi all :) Feb 19 14:29:50 hi there. Feb 19 14:31:25 hi Feb 19 15:01:47 mickeyl, thanx alot Feb 19 15:17:22 How would I put a new driver into the OM? I need to create a module for the cp2101.c driver. Feb 19 15:29:51 What's the "class" of freerunners gprs chip? (i.e. how fast is it) Feb 19 15:34:02 12 Feb 19 15:34:33 ...'less there's again some chip-external limits... Feb 19 15:36:12 Any estimations on how fast it is usually? (measured in kilobytes per second) Feb 19 15:49:42 It's the same as GTA01 Feb 19 15:49:47 4-5Kbutes/s Feb 19 15:49:55 up to 2s ping Feb 19 15:55:05 so in summary "slow" Feb 19 15:58:52 yeah; it's as fast as gprs comes, but all grps is slow Feb 19 15:59:19 luckily slow is still good for many things Feb 19 15:59:48 yeh....the bandwidth not such an issue the latency is pretty bad Feb 19 15:59:49 <_diego_> denda: if you are interested in mapping, you should take a look at navit Feb 19 16:03:42 the variance in the latency is quite impressive also! Feb 19 16:04:17 so surfing is not that much fun without being within the range of a wifi spot Feb 19 16:04:19 saaad :( Feb 19 16:04:49 depends wot u surf i guess....is still ok Feb 19 16:05:20 youtube will be great fun ;) Feb 19 16:05:44 good luck with that ;) Feb 19 16:05:56 but I'm happy anyway Feb 19 16:06:37 it seems also a lot is network dependent... eg how much packet loose u get.....im getting quite a bit of vodafone right now when i ping Feb 19 16:07:15 * mjr has been known to read comics over gprs; not great fun, but funner than without them ;] Feb 19 16:07:39 my travelnet has been gprs for a couple of years now Feb 19 16:07:39 42 packets transmitted, 24 packets received, 42% packet loss Feb 19 16:07:49 vodafone sux Feb 19 16:09:11 waiting for my free t-mobile sim to arrive and do some comparisons Feb 19 16:10:55 t-mobile (for the UK) seems a good pick. Feb 19 16:11:31 Especially if there are days you won't use it, and you don't make enough caslls to make a contract worthwhile. Feb 19 16:11:31 they doing free sim now from their website but seems to take a while Feb 19 16:11:51 the cheapest contract seems to run 30/mo with data - from several providers. Feb 19 16:12:07 yeh so 1 pound cap * 30 isnt too bad in context Feb 19 16:12:11 But with PAYG on t-mobile, GPRS spend is capped at a pound a day Feb 19 16:13:18 For browsing with images off, and loading on demand, ssh to a server with a SOCKs server on the far end is much faster. Feb 19 16:13:27 as it compresses Feb 19 16:14:05 i heard an ad that 3 are doing some data additions to PAYG will have to check it out also Feb 19 16:15:25 Just - AIUI - only for 3G data Feb 19 16:16:09 the prices for a 24 month data contract aren't _too_ bad - but the allowances are tiny, and they want you to pay a couple of pounds a megabyte if you go over the quota. Feb 19 16:17:04 yeh......plenty of people get caught by these limits Feb 19 16:29:03 SpeedEvil: Does the neo web client not accept gzipped pages? Feb 19 16:29:39 the http stream should negotiate zipped exchange automatically Feb 19 16:29:42 Some servers don't provide them. Feb 19 16:29:47 well, zipped download, anyway Feb 19 16:30:13 I hadn't really looked into that... I would think that apache and IIS (ew) at least would support zipping Feb 19 16:30:17 it's been around forever Feb 19 16:30:54 Also - Maybe I just got unlucky. Feb 19 16:38:56 wurp2: Apache does support zipping (mod_deflate) but it is not done by default and many sites does not use it. Feb 19 16:39:20 Also, there appears to be no direct support for pre-compressed pages, but it is possible to do it by some experimenting with the configuration values. Feb 19 16:41:07 There is/will be J2ME support in OM, right? Opera Mini is great for surfing over GPRS. It compresses the sites on some servers before sending it to you. Feb 19 16:43:02 there is support for pre-compressed pages (I think it did that through multiviews) Feb 19 16:43:25 anyway, j2me, last I heard somebody had phoneme running using qvfb on openmoko, so it appears so Feb 19 16:44:02 one'll probably want to ditch the qvfb from the equation and so on but at least there's a way Feb 19 16:44:24 As for compressing proxies, we really want our own. Feb 19 16:46:18 haakeyar: That's crazy that it doesn't do it by default. Feb 19 16:46:25 If client supports it, server should send it zipped Feb 19 16:46:36 mjr: Through multiviews? And it sends the correct headers and uncompressed contents if the client doesn't support it? Must look into that sometime... Feb 19 16:48:40 haakeyar, multiviews is the stuff that allows you to have multiple versions of a file with additional extensions. Eg. index.html and index.html.gz, the appropriate one being served Feb 19 16:48:52 mostly used for language content negotiation I think Feb 19 16:53:07 Oh, I thought it was used for accessing files without file endings, like index instead of index.html (gave me some trouble on a server once, serving a file instead of the directory). Hm.. Interesting. Then I won't have to hack the configuration to get pre-compressed sites. ;) Feb 19 16:53:24 sure it does that too Feb 19 16:53:56 (in effect, the .gz file _is_ accessed without its ending...) Feb 19 16:56:28 Yeah, but the .gz file is only served if it recieves a Accept-Encoding: gzip-header, right? I thought it was "dumber". Feb 19 16:59:22 anyway, SpeedEvil had good ideas about how to improve web browsing further than just compressing pages, using a large shared cache on the phone and a proxy server and transmitting changed portions. Hopefully someone (TM) gets around to that Feb 19 17:00:02 http://www.digitimes.com/telecom/a20080218PD213.html , thanks openmoko for posting this to the announce list ... Feb 19 17:00:57 * haakeyar is looking at the documentation for multiviews and content negotiation and can't believe he missed a great feature like that Feb 19 17:03:20 anyone used gconf i was trying simple example on gnome site but not sure compile flags to pk-config? Feb 19 17:17:29 Hello All Feb 19 17:18:37 Can somebody help me with GPSD from OpenMoko?? Feb 19 17:19:33 wots problem? Feb 19 17:20:00 Can I use it on my Zaurus if I have a GPRS/GSM PCMCIA Card in there? Feb 19 17:20:32 huh? Feb 19 17:20:46 there is a Program on open moko Feb 19 17:20:49 u wanna connect to the gps on the Neo from your zaurus? Feb 19 17:20:59 Called GSMD or something like that Feb 19 17:21:09 oh... telnet gpsd yeh Feb 19 17:21:14 And its there for calling and sending texts Feb 19 17:21:33 gpsd and gsmd are nothing to do with each other... Feb 19 17:21:43 I ment the gsmd Feb 19 17:21:44 sorry Feb 19 17:21:46 anyhow Feb 19 17:21:48 libgsmd-tool Feb 19 17:21:52 probably you mostly can Feb 19 17:22:07 ah ok bit different question then! Feb 19 17:22:09 I want to beable to call with my PDA. I have a GSM PMCIA card in there so Feb 19 17:22:16 * Robin__ Sorry Feb 19 17:22:33 voice calls? Feb 19 17:22:42 yea Feb 19 17:22:42 you'd have to have a different voice calling program Feb 19 17:22:52 since in the neo the audio goes through analog channels Feb 19 17:22:58 Damn, I cant find anything and stuff.. :/ Feb 19 17:29:47 i'm using the MokoMakefile to build packages & images. i did an update yesterday and my build started failing. from what i can tell its because the kernel was bumped to 2.6.24 from 2.6.22 since my last update. the build appears to be failing when trying to fetch the default kernel config from http://svn.openmoko.org/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/config at revision 3801 but that path doesn't exist at revision 3801. its using Feb 19 17:29:47 e/sane-srcrevs.inc has this line in it: Feb 19 17:29:47 SRCREV_pn-linux-openmoko ?= "3801" Feb 19 17:29:49 i blew away my monotone file and the openembedded directory and reran "make setup" to reconstruct them. same result. Feb 19 17:29:52 any suggestions for resolving this? Feb 19 18:00:59 doughnut42, i'm having the same problem as you ... Feb 19 18:01:15 doughnut42, however, i also do not have a resolution at this point. Feb 19 18:03:53 inwoo: i'm thinking it might be enough to bump up the revision number in sane-srcrevs.inc but that would be a temporary solution. also i don't know which next revision would be stable. i'll mess around with it and see what works. Feb 19 18:05:18 doughnut42, i've tried that to a degree, and using an later svn revision #, however, i would run into huge build issues from that point on Feb 19 18:05:33 hmm Feb 19 18:39:27 http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/02/19/i-am-dad-now/ Feb 19 18:39:58 is that you, hrw|gone? Feb 19 18:42:10 hrw|gone: Congratulations! :-) Feb 19 18:49:18 congrats then Feb 19 19:00:17 ping inwoo Feb 19 19:00:20 ping doughnut42 Feb 19 19:00:33 hello Feb 19 19:00:52 inwoo, hi Feb 19 19:01:05 mickeyl answered your build prob today at 13:30 Feb 19 19:01:10 check logs Feb 19 19:01:17 o rly? ... i'll check thanks Feb 19 19:01:37 inwoo, well maybe :-) Feb 19 19:05:28 jamewill, seeing if it will build now ... Feb 19 19:11:56 jamewill, thanks, it seems like it's building ;D Feb 19 19:12:10 i wonder why that sane-srcrevs didn't get updated Feb 19 19:12:16 inwoo, coolio Feb 19 19:13:04 anyone know if this they fixed the microsd bug yet? Feb 19 19:15:33 inwoo, I don't know yet, but I plan to find out by the end of the day... I'm so behind on my reviews. :( Feb 19 19:16:00 kdean06, thanks for the update . Feb 19 19:16:20 IIRC the driver was rolled back from an older kernel, but I wasn't exactly paying attention. :P Feb 19 19:16:47 kdean06, alright i'll give it ago, who knows it might just work for me... Feb 19 19:17:57 seems like a patch was done on rev 4080, damn it ...i'm building 4079 :x Feb 19 19:18:02 time to rebuild. Feb 19 19:25:56 I just updated from 2.6.22 to 2.6.24 and now the partitions on my microSDHC aren't recognized. anyone with the same problems? Feb 19 19:30:46 thomasg__, 2.6.24 has no (working) SD capability due to a bug. Feb 19 19:31:08 good to know Feb 19 19:31:09 I believe there MIGHT be a fix in SVN that's like... less than 8 hours old, but there also may not be, if I misunderstood. Feb 19 19:31:39 hm, damn, I don't like downgrading :) Feb 19 19:31:43 thanks for the info Feb 19 19:31:58 thomasg__, It's not downgrading if doing so gives you more features and greater stability. :) Feb 19 19:32:41 yeah, but my buildhost ran out of disk space, so I can't use svn and have to wait on (daily) builds Feb 19 19:32:56 thomasg__, I review the official daily snapshot images and you can find those reviews -> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:SnapshotReview Feb 19 19:33:30 I've not done one recently, life's been hectic this weekend with out of town guests. Feb 19 19:33:32 yeah, I've seen it on the ml Feb 19 19:33:35 But I should have one again today. :) Feb 19 19:33:48 Which probably won't be much of an improvement, since there's no new kernel. :P Feb 19 19:33:49 thomasg__, seems like there is a patch that addresses that bug, but seems untested at this moment.... i'm curious to try Feb 19 19:34:13 inwoo, I'd try if someone gave me the uImage :) Feb 19 19:34:39 thomasg__, want to try? have a place i can upload a build image? Feb 19 19:34:59 you can send it via dcc or mail if you want Feb 19 19:35:32 dcc works for me Feb 19 19:35:54 ok, I'm identified, give it a try Feb 19 19:36:01 rebuilding the kernel atm... Feb 19 19:36:23 gimme a sec Feb 19 19:36:36 just tell me when you're ready, it's not that urgent :) Feb 19 19:45:44 thomasg, i just tried my image, and doens't work yet.... :-/ Feb 19 19:46:22 what a pitty :( Feb 19 19:46:41 well, if you finally have a working version, it would be nice if you'd let me know Feb 19 19:47:45 thomasg, sure. Feb 19 19:47:55 thanks Feb 19 19:56:50 kdean06, thomasg: I thought someone checked in a patch to fix sd on 2.6.24 a couple of days ago... Feb 19 19:57:17 I haven't seen a build since then, but I never look for a build any more until after I see kdean06's review on it :-) Feb 19 19:57:48 I haven't been following the kernel list since there's very little I actually understand on that list, however I think there are a few seperate issues with SD in 24. Feb 19 19:58:37 ah Feb 19 19:58:53 This was a checkin report I saw in this channel on 2/14, I think Feb 19 19:59:27 It just said "fixes the bug with reading sd in 2.6.24" (or it might have been "a bug") or something to that effect Feb 19 20:05:40 was that the patch that caused sd corruption? :] Feb 19 20:10:28 mjr: I have no idea... I haven't even updated since then Feb 19 20:33:30 jamewill: thanks, trying that now Feb 19 20:36:29 hello all Feb 19 20:36:58 did anybody use ScummVM? Feb 19 20:40:55 some kind of cemetery Feb 19 20:41:02 I tried that thing mickeyl said earlier about the scrrevs but it didn't work.. Still get that kernel missing erro Feb 19 20:41:06 r Feb 19 20:41:23 zdanek: Yes, scummvm works fine, look in the wiki :) Feb 19 20:41:31 some time ago this channel was alive :p Feb 19 20:41:56 CM: but I cannot play sound Feb 19 20:42:34 once I did some tricks and it played Feb 19 20:42:50 but only one time, and now I cannot repeat it successfuly Feb 19 20:43:02 I've had a lot of sound problems lately, and now I can't even build the rootfs Feb 19 20:43:16 I'm sorry Feb 19 20:44:21 it's weird because it sometimes uses /dev/dsp1 Feb 19 20:44:34 I did symlink from /dev/dsp Feb 19 20:44:39 and it almost worked Feb 19 20:44:51 then I set SDL_AUDIODRIVER Feb 19 20:45:00 and it played sound! Feb 19 20:45:04 it was today Feb 19 20:45:10 but only once Feb 19 20:45:22 now I cannot do it again, damn :( Feb 19 20:48:25 maybe something else is using it Feb 19 20:48:28 the dsp device Feb 19 20:48:37 ..unless alsa is set up to multiplex oss emulation Feb 19 20:48:56 anrp: but I didn't change any config Feb 19 20:49:07 how can I obtain alsa's state? Feb 19 20:49:08 did you run something else that might use sound Feb 19 20:49:09 though Feb 19 20:49:13 fuser /dev/dsp maybe Feb 19 20:49:32 only X windows with their "click" sound ;) Feb 19 20:49:55 nope - no user using dsp Feb 19 20:50:26 scummvm sometimes complain on startup that it doesn't have /dev/dsp1 Feb 19 20:50:32 permissions? Feb 19 20:50:35 so you have to make symlink Feb 19 20:50:47 but it doesn't print it anymore Feb 19 20:50:57 even where there''s no such file Feb 19 20:51:05 I'm root Feb 19 20:51:08 on neo Feb 19 20:51:28 but "others" can't read Feb 19 20:51:34 I'll check that Feb 19 20:53:58 anrp: no, it's not a permissions problem Feb 19 20:54:05 still nothing Feb 19 20:56:51 anybody has any experience with SDL_AUDIODRIVER env variable? Feb 19 20:57:07 maybe it depends on something?\ Feb 19 22:25:38 will the phone work in the US? Feb 19 22:25:57 Depends if your in a GSM 850 area or not Feb 19 22:26:01 My Neo1973 works in the US. Feb 19 22:26:47 i imagine cdma is out of the question? Feb 19 22:26:53 right Feb 19 22:27:31 well, so long, sprint!... :-D Feb 19 22:27:48 in ohio I only have at&t T-Mobile and Cincinnati bell wireless that is GSM Feb 19 22:29:33 KrisAbsinthe: yeah, i think verizon and sprint are still cdma... Feb 19 22:29:56 Yup Feb 19 22:30:25 I had sprint once, dropped them when I went to DC and my phone didnt work. I though it was absurd Feb 19 22:30:56 Anyone want to cross compile some code? Feb 19 22:52:23 I think my UPS batteries are not that good anymoew Feb 19 22:52:31 s/anymoew/anymore/ Feb 19 22:52:31 cesarb meant: I think my UPS batteries are not that good anymore Feb 19 22:53:10 Two small power faults of ~1s duration, with ~5s between them, should NOT make it turn off automatically Feb 19 22:53:47 (and it turned off on the _second_ power fault instead of at the first, so it's not completely nonworking) Feb 19 22:54:12 arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: No such file or directory any ideas? Feb 19 22:55:54 KrisAbsinthe: probably means your cross-compiler is broken Feb 19 22:57:19 cesarb: crap, i should redo with mokomakefile? Feb 19 22:57:57 cesarb: im trying to compile a terminal app to emulate HID any easy way of making the moko act as one? Feb 19 22:58:19 KrisAbsinthe: if you are compiling outside bitbake/oe, some environment variables might be missing Feb 19 22:58:49 KrisAbsinthe: I had a ridiculously long command line to compile the kernel outside OE, which I just lost in this power fault :P Feb 19 22:59:06 cesarb: That sucks Feb 19 22:59:23 KrisAbsinthe: the easiest way would be to look at the temporary files bitbake uses and check which environment variables you might need Feb 19 22:59:36 u could get the toolchain also if u dont wanna use the tools built from mokomakefile Feb 19 22:59:49 KrisAbsinthe: well, it was mostly a five-line PATH variable, so it's not that big of a loss ;-) Feb 19 23:00:52 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain Feb 19 23:01:15 not tried as i use the tools built from mokomakefile but is another option if u dont wanna build them Feb 20 00:15:11 raster: hey Feb 20 00:18:34 zecke: morning! Feb 20 00:21:35 raster: I don't know ICCCM too well/at all. But I have the following issue Feb 20 00:22:57 raster: I have a window (the soft menu of Qtopia) and I would like this window to never take focus. So on the XWMHints input is set to false but E with "focus on click" is giving focus to this window Feb 20 00:23:29 raster: I had hoped if I remove WM_TAKE_FOCUS from WM_PROTOCOLS something would change but it doesn't. Is there anything I can do to inform E to never give me focus? Feb 20 00:27:35 zecke: soft menu - as in a popup menu? Feb 20 00:27:59 e does respect the hint Feb 20 00:28:04 it will not GIVE it focus Feb 20 00:28:09 it may make it appear to have focus Feb 20 00:28:14 but not actually set it Feb 20 00:29:46 raster: I think the popup type is not set Feb 20 00:30:15 raster: it definately has focus, WM_ACTIVE_WINDOW will tell me if the window has focus? Feb 20 00:30:40 no Feb 20 00:31:22 XGetInputFocus() will tell you who currently has the focus Feb 20 00:31:35 u would get focus in/out events on your window if u actualy were given kbd focus Feb 20 00:31:56 the problem is you dont want a window border - in fact u dont want the wm really doing anything to your popup window - right? Feb 20 00:32:01 u want it left alone Feb 20 00:32:16 raster: Is there a way i can remove the New On screen Keypad Feb 20 00:32:37 raster: Okay, let me take the step back, focus might not be my issue at all :) Feb 20 00:33:34 raster: I have a 'soft menu' (tool, dock, groupleader). I have an active application, I click back on the soft menu, the active application gets closed and instead of making the other app active, the softmenu is active (due the click) Feb 20 00:33:58 raster: I assumed it is focus but I'm likely to be wrong Feb 20 00:34:33 KrisAbsinthe: i have yet to even see the new keypad - my builds dont have it. they have the qwerty one. Feb 20 00:34:46 KrisAbsinthe: nb - i have didnt do the new keypad stuff :) Feb 20 00:35:09 zecke: got a screenshot of the soft menu window? Feb 20 00:35:17 raster: I like it ...kinda, but there is no / so it is useless for terminal stuff Feb 20 00:35:17 just want to know which one you are talking about Feb 20 00:35:41 raster: only a video: http://www.openembedded.org/~zecke/test-0000.mpeg Feb 20 00:35:45 zecke: i suspect you may be wanting an override-redirect window Feb 20 00:35:54 if its a menu window - thats how they are normally done Feb 20 00:36:08 as the wm doesnt have anything to do with overide-redirect windows - they bypass the wm Feb 20 00:36:09