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Feb 20 04:35:31 <sagacis> Good morning anyone.
Feb 20 04:35:49 <ewon> o/
Feb 20 04:36:39 <sagacis> Very quiet here... I have a question about the kernel-related build failures.
Feb 20 04:37:00 <sagacis> I'd like to help fix it.  I've seen three different solutions, and all of them suggest changing .conf files.
Feb 20 04:37:30 <sagacis> Can't we just fix the problem in the first place and avoid having each of 300 devs changing their .confs?
Feb 20 04:47:23 <sagacis> OK, I found the error in $OMDIR/openembedded/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc. I'm just not sure how to push the fix, and here nobody seems in but robots..... Oh, well.
Feb 20 05:09:15 <jaebird> sagacis: hello?
Feb 20 05:43:40 <r00t_1ns1d3> hi
Feb 20 06:10:23 <raddy> Hello everybody
Feb 20 06:10:49 <raddy> How do i find out the board name of my FIC Neo phone.
Feb 20 06:22:16 <CM> raddy: What do you mean board name?
Feb 20 06:22:39 <raddy> CM : http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/cms/updating-u-boot
Feb 20 06:22:58 <CM> The model you can see on the back under the battery
Feb 20 06:23:28 <CM> I guess you have a GTA01BV4 like most of us
Feb 20 06:43:37 <CIA-23> openmoko: 03werner * r4087 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/scripts/build: Added DEVICE=gta02v5
Feb 20 06:44:25 <raddy> CM : i can't see the model number.
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Feb 20 08:03:30 <Hopscotch> good morning
Feb 20 08:51:13 <blindcoder> moin
Feb 20 09:23:32 <florian> good morning
Feb 20 10:35:47 <jeffdamet1> hello. i tried to install the scaredycat image once again and i always get a dfu_download error -84 after two third of the download. does someone know whats the problem is that causes this?
Feb 20 14:24:02 <jeffdamet1> hello. is it possible that the kernel patches in svn are not up to date? there are images for 2.6.24 but the most patches dont apply
Feb 20 14:33:33 <bedboi> hi guys
Feb 20 14:37:36 <bedboi> is qtopia working with suspend?
Feb 20 14:37:47 <bedboi> i mean can you receive calls when in suspend?
Feb 20 14:42:05 <jeffdamet1> hi. can someone recommend a snapshot that is fairly stable ?
Feb 20 15:57:19 <buzzinfly> i'm running ipkg update on a gta01v4 using the 2007.2 distro and getting 404 errors on the some of the sources, any idea why/what I should do?
Feb 20 15:59:37 <jeffdamet1> buzzinfly: i would say remove the respective conf files from /etc/ipkg/
Feb 20 16:00:00 <jeffdamet1> but i'm just tryin to find snapshots that work at all :)
Feb 20 16:01:01 <buzzinfly> yes i know what you mean, i was using a snapshot from early this week but the sim pin just would'nt be accepted, so have gone back to the trusty 2007.2 version
Feb 20 16:14:57 <buzzinfly> all the 404 errors are coming from the update confs - am i right in thinking you cannot update if using this build?
Feb 20 16:41:51 <buzzinfly> this may not be the place for this question but i feel i must get it of fmy chest. why isn't the jack on the supplied headphones for gta01v4 phones a regular sized one?
Feb 20 16:42:25 <cjb_ie> that's been asked before... iirc, the answer was that space really is that tight
Feb 20 16:42:42 <cjb_ie> 3.5mm jack socket takes up quite a bit more space than a 2.5mm one
Feb 20 16:43:23 <buzzinfly> blimey, thanks for the answer. i don't suppose a converter is supplied in the developers pack (not sure why it would be mind)
Feb 20 16:43:48 <cjb_ie> dunno :)
Feb 20 16:48:16 <buzzinfly> i'd like to contribute some stuff to this project, is someone working on a program to read data off a SIM?
Feb 20 16:48:17 <wurp2> buzzinfly: I bought one online for about $1.50 + $2.00 US shipping
Feb 20 16:49:15 <wurp2> buzzinfly: Not that I know of.  A basic tool to read contacts from the SIM and load them into the contact list would be really easy, too
Feb 20 16:49:34 <wurp2> I will probably write a script for it soon, but that's not a real solution for most people
Feb 20 16:50:35 <buzzinfly> the ease of it is relative to person doing it. my C is rusty compared python/perl.
Feb 20 16:50:53 <wurp2> yeah, I was just gonna write some python for it
Feb 20 16:51:06 <wurp2> or maybe even just sh scripting
Feb 20 16:51:42 <buzzinfly> is there a good resource on the intertubes for how to interact with a sim in moko?
Feb 20 16:51:53 <wurp2> My point was that you can use libgsmtool to issue the commands to retrieve SIM data
Feb 20 16:52:14 <buzzinfly> many thanks
Feb 20 16:52:17 <wurp2> Then it's just a matter of parsing the response, formatting it into contacts, and inserting it in the right place in the contact data file
Feb 20 16:52:43 <wurp2> There was some conversation in this channel a week or two ago about the exact commands to issue
Feb 20 16:54:01 <wurp2> A search for SIM, contact, libgsmtool against the site that hosts the conversation logs might show you the exact command
Feb 20 16:54:09 <wurp2> It also may have made its way onto the wiki
Feb 20 16:54:34 <buzzinfly> is there something in place to avoid different people developing the same things?
Feb 20 16:56:02 <wurp2> buzzinfly: I don't think so :-(
Feb 20 16:56:17 <wurp2> Ask on the devel mailing list
Feb 20 16:57:05 <buzzinfly> good idea, should google before bothering you guys with my inane questions. 
Feb 20 16:57:09 <kdean06> Does anyone know of a car charger that is able to fast-charge the Neo?
Feb 20 16:57:20 <kdean06> I've connected several and none of them work.
Feb 20 16:57:29 <kdean06> So I'm looking to buy a confirmed working one.
Feb 20 16:57:36 <SpeedEvil> Any, if you do the fast-charge uboot thing
Feb 20 16:58:49 <kdean06> "the fast charge u-boot thing" ?
Feb 20 16:58:51 <wurp2> buzzinfly: Nah, often there's someone here who either knows the answer right away or can point you to the right place
Feb 20 16:59:05 <anrp> lol
Feb 20 16:59:10 <wurp2> Asking how you can build tools no one has built for it yet is not inane :-)
Feb 20 16:59:23 <wurp2> kdean06: Create a boot menu option to do fast charge
Feb 20 16:59:35 <wurp2> to force fast charge, I should say
Feb 20 16:59:48 <SpeedEvil> I think it's mentioned in [[bootloader]]
Feb 20 17:00:47 <wurp2> I got a standard usb charger with my bt earpiece for $15.  I have to force fast charge, but it works fine (550 mA out)
Feb 20 17:00:56 <wurp2> it's not smart usb
Feb 20 17:01:04 <wurp2> But, I don't think smart usb is enough
Feb 20 17:01:16 <wurp2> Neo seems to only fast charge if it can network w/ the pc
Feb 20 17:01:44 <wurp2> It may be something more basic than that, but every time I try to charge from a usb on a windows machine it does slow
Feb 20 17:01:58 <wurp2> unless I've installed the inf on the windows computer to enable networking
Feb 20 17:02:07 <SpeedEvil> It can be set in a mode where it's forced on
Feb 20 17:02:11 <wurp2> Yeah
Feb 20 17:02:34 <wurp2> I'm just telling kdean06 that I think even a complete smart USB charger won't work on the neo
Feb 20 17:02:48 <wurp2> The docs say the neo uses the interface to ask the charger if it can do 500 mA
Feb 20 17:03:16 <wurp2> but either that's not right, or it somehow doesn't work on a windows machine w/o networking also set up
Feb 20 17:03:28 <wurp2> I haven't actually tested a smart charger
Feb 20 17:03:35 <kdean06> I can force it to do a fast charge as long as I don't have to unforce it later. :) I tend not to rotate chargers so as long as I know it's safe, I'm good.
Feb 20 17:03:44 <wurp2> You don't have to unforce
Feb 20 17:03:49 <wurp2> it goes back to idle when you unplug it
Feb 20 17:04:04 <wurp2> and won't force automatically when it's plugged in next
Feb 20 17:04:19 <wurp2> I'm not sure there's much point in connecting to a slow charger, though :-(
Feb 20 17:04:28 <wurp2> It appears to only supply about half the power the neo needs to run
Feb 20 17:04:39 <wurp2> although if you're on a more recent uboot that may be solved
Feb 20 17:15:27 <kdean06> SpeedEvil, I've created a uBoot menu option called "Fast Charge" but is there any way to actually tell if it does anything? I created it by doing "setenv menu_7 Fast Charge: neo1973 charge fast" and it appears but selecting it doesn't indicate to me that it's charging.
Feb 20 17:15:58 <kdean06> It cycles, i mean. The main menu scrolls up and then returns to the menu.
Feb 20 17:19:11 <wurp2> Out of curiosity... why use a uboot menu option instead of a script (possibly with a .desktop link)?
Feb 20 17:19:30 <wurp2> w/ the script you can check afterwards if it worked, and also still use your neo
Feb 20 17:19:39 <kdean06> Because I didn't think of it. :P
Feb 20 17:19:52 <ahven> dual-colour led would be nice, green for normal, orange for fast charge :)
Feb 20 17:19:54 <wurp2> Let me ship you the script I set up
Feb 20 17:19:56 <kdean06> Is it possible to force fast charge in userspace? That WOULD be the prefered option.
Feb 20 17:20:18 <wurp2> Yeah
Feb 20 17:20:22 <kdean06> Nice. :)
Feb 20 17:20:50 <wurp2> You can do it like so: echo -n "fast_cccv" > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgmode
Feb 20 17:21:10 <wurp2> and check it by cat-ing that same file (correct output is fast_cccv)
Feb 20 17:21:58 <wurp2> My python script checks for slow charge, shows a GUI asking if you want to switch to fast charge, then does a little confirmation sequence so it doesn't go into fast charge mode bouncing around in the car or whatever
Feb 20 17:22:45 <wurp2> I want to set it up to run as a daemon and add an init.d + rc.whatever script to start it off, then ipkg it up.  Then I'll put it on the wiki
Feb 20 17:23:12 <wurp2> right now I just start up the whole python interpreter every 5 minutes, which is too heavy
Feb 20 17:24:09 <PBeck> ahoi
Feb 20 17:50:37 <adjaxio> Bonjour
Feb 20 18:08:34 <inwoo> anyone know if busybox's nc (netcat) supports udp? 
Feb 20 18:08:38 <inwoo> seems like a big no.
Feb 20 18:56:21 <kdean06> New review. :)
Feb 20 19:09:07 <zash> {what,where,who,why}?
Feb 20 19:15:32 <wurp2> kdean06: Cool, thanks!!
Feb 20 19:52:49 <wurp2> kdean06: Is the new release 'snappier' than the ones w/ the 2.6.22 kernel?
Feb 20 19:53:39 <kdean06> Too close to call. :P 
Feb 20 19:53:56 <kdean06> It's not slower. :) It may be slightly faster.
Feb 20 19:54:01 <wurp2> cool
Feb 20 19:54:15 <kdean06> But if it's faster it's not super fast. 
Feb 20 19:54:20 <wurp2> I am lazy.  I'll probably hold off on upgrading until I hear reports of new features or bug-fixes
Feb 20 19:55:18 <wurp2> or significant perfomance improvements
Feb 20 20:23:39 <Ti`Seb> hey
Feb 20 20:23:40 <Ti`Seb> wget: www.angstrom-distribution.org: Host name lookup failure
Feb 20 20:23:42 <Ti`Seb> :/
Feb 20 20:23:51 <Ti`Seb> what's solution ? :/
Feb 20 20:26:01 <wurp2> Ti`Seb: You're getting that on the neo?
Feb 20 20:26:40 <Ti`Seb> yes wurp2 
Feb 20 20:26:54 <Ti`Seb> ipkg update command
Feb 20 20:27:10 <zash> Ti`Seb: does any dns lookup work?
Feb 20 20:27:53 <Ti`Seb> i'm french sorry :) i'm don't understand totally :p
Feb 20 20:28:44 <zash> run "host www.google.com"
Feb 20 20:29:06 <Ti`Seb> host www.google.com
Feb 20 20:29:06 <Ti`Seb> -sh: host: not found
Feb 20 20:29:07 <Ti`Seb> lol
Feb 20 20:29:18 <zash> lol indeed
Feb 20 20:29:47 <Ti`Seb> it's a new neo :p lol
Feb 20 20:31:21 <zash> DNS lookup failure, as a temporary fix add a line with "www.angstrom-distribution.org 85.214.40.226" in /etc/hosts
Feb 20 20:32:01 <wurp2> And you'll need one for buildhost.openmoko.org, too
Feb 20 20:32:26 <wurp2> I have those problems intermittently so often that I just left the hosts entry in there :-(
Feb 20 20:33:18 <Ti`Seb> aie
Feb 20 20:33:29 <Ti`Seb> pico not found
Feb 20 20:33:31 <Ti`Seb> use vim lol
Feb 20 20:33:37 <Ti`Seb> i'm a noob :o
Feb 20 20:40:45 <wurp2> I think you can ipkg install nano
Feb 20 20:40:53 <wurp2> I am a vimmer
Feb 20 20:42:28 <kdean06> nano is in the repos. :)
Feb 20 20:50:08 <Ti`Seb> Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update'
Feb 20 20:50:08 <Ti`Seb> lol
Feb 20 20:50:45 <inwoo> anyone play around with the j2se implementations on moko?... 
Feb 20 20:58:02 <wurp2> Ohy, yeah, you need to ipkg update before you can install nano, which you need to edit /etc/hosts, which you need to do before you can ipkg update...
Feb 20 20:58:55 <wurp2> Just 'echo "85.214.40.226   www.angstrom-distribution.org" >> /etc/hosts'
Feb 20 20:59:12 <wurp2> and 'echo "78.47.190.211   buildhost.openmoko.org" >> /etc/hosts'
Feb 20 20:59:21 <wurp2> then you can ipgk update, install nano, etc.
Feb 20 21:01:17 <kdean06> wurp2, Echoing THOSE two lines are SO much harder than echoing the two that do DNS masquerading... 
Feb 20 21:02:02 <wurp2> kdean06: Except I'm *running* a dns host on my debian box, and have my /etc/resolv.conf set up, and I still have intermittent problems with DNS resolution
Feb 20 21:02:25 <wurp2> I tried to shut down my dns and turn on dnsmasq, but for some reason dnsmasq still tells me the port is locked
Feb 20 21:02:37 <wurp2> although lsof indicates nothing is tying up port 53
Feb 20 21:03:23 <kdean06> I just paste the iptables lines into the host PC which is a "standard" desktop. Full DNS resolution, very little work. :)
Feb 20 21:03:47 <wurp2> Do you get consistent dns resolution from the neo?
Feb 20 21:03:55 <wurp2> Because mine works part of the time & fails the rest
Feb 20 21:04:03 <wurp2> if it always failed I could debug it
Feb 20 21:04:17 <kdean06> I've never had a problem.
Feb 20 21:04:36 <kdean06> Reboot the PC and the forward rule is dropped, but I just repaste it.
Feb 20 21:04:41 <kdean06> I reboot once a week. :)
Feb 20 21:04:51 <thomasg_> kdean06, according to your review sd support works now?
Feb 20 21:04:54 <wurp2> I never reboot
Feb 20 21:05:00 <kdean06> thomasg_, Yes. 
Feb 20 21:05:03 <anrp> never?
Feb 20 21:05:05 <thomasg_> cool, thanks
Feb 20 21:05:10 <anrp> them's fighting words
Feb 20 21:05:15 <kdean06> lol
Feb 20 21:05:19 <wurp2> :-)
Feb 20 21:05:35 <wurp2> Hrm, only up for 39 days
Feb 20 21:05:48 <kdean06> Wow...
Feb 20 21:05:49 <wurp2> Not sure why the reboot then
Feb 20 21:05:58 <kdean06> Never is less than a month. :P
Feb 20 21:06:05 <KrisAbsinthe> I like the reviews. I just updated to the 2/20 image. Works great thanks for the heads up
Feb 20 21:06:05 <Ti`Seb> ipkg update....
Feb 20 21:06:05 <wurp2> less?
Feb 20 21:06:09 <Ti`Seb> 5 minutes ago
Feb 20 21:06:11 <kdean06> I've got some women to call back. ;)
Feb 20 21:06:28 <wurp2> 39 days > the months I'm familiar with
Feb 20 21:06:32 <wurp2> but < never
Feb 20 21:06:45 * anrp stares at the compaq on his desk
Feb 20 21:06:50 <anrp> 864 days so far
Feb 20 21:06:59 <kdean06> wurp2, Perhaps i should have said "less than a month away". 39 days - my uptime.
Feb 20 21:07:13 <wurp2> ah
Feb 20 21:07:17 <kdean06> anrp, On a FreeBSD server, perhaps. :P I doubt your desktop is that high. :)
Feb 20 21:07:37 <anrp> Linux version 2.6.11-gentoo-r6 (root@unspecified) (gcc version 3.4.3-20050110 (Gentoo Linux 3.4.3.20050110-r2, ssp-3.4.3.20050110-0, pie-8.7.7)) #1 Tue Apr 19 16:06:49 EDT 2005
Feb 20 21:07:41 <anrp> it is a server, true
Feb 20 21:08:00 <anrp> 5400rpm disk!
Feb 20 21:08:01 <anrp> way slow
Feb 20 21:08:04 <wurp2> Actually, I have small children.  I'm pretty sure I do know why the reboot 39 days ago
Feb 20 21:08:25 <kdean06> anrp, Kernel updates are acceptable reasons to reboot, IMO. :)
Feb 20 21:08:30 <anrp> but I am lazy
Feb 20 21:08:36 <anrp> and therefore... it does not happen
Feb 20 21:08:58 <anrp> it is an old kernel..
Feb 20 21:14:52 * anrp proceeds to kill the conversation
Feb 20 21:19:36 <kdean06> It is snowing here and I am sure my drive home will be full of idiots who can't handle driving in snow.
Feb 20 21:21:45 <wurp2> Any conversation about uptime is DOA, I think
Feb 20 21:23:44 <anrp> i would have to agree
Feb 20 21:23:46 <anrp> sorry D;
Feb 20 21:27:07 <wurp2> nah, I think I started it ;-)
Feb 20 22:06:56 <doughnut42> anyone else having problems with the microsd support in 2.6.24?
Feb 20 22:06:56 <doughnut42> http://openmoko.pastebin.com/m68f0f1b
Feb 20 22:09:40 <josch> <thomasg_> kdean06, according to your review sd support works now?
Feb 20 22:09:40 <josch> <kdean06> thomasg_, Yes. 
Feb 20 22:09:49 <josch> @ doughnut42 
Feb 20 22:11:50 <doughnut42> josch: noticed that so i made a fresh build today and got that error writing the superblocks with mke2fs. i'll do an update and give it another shot. thanks.
Feb 20 22:22:07 <cyrilRomain> hi! Does anyone know if some Neo are going to be sold during the FOSDEM ?
Feb 20 22:24:01 <SpeedEvil> when is FOSDEM?
Feb 20 22:24:24 <SpeedEvil> GTA01 has completely sold out
Feb 20 22:24:25 <philippe> SpeedEvil: this weekend
Feb 20 22:24:28 <philippe> 23-24
Feb 20 22:24:28 <SpeedEvil> so no
Feb 20 22:25:14 <cyrilRomain> :-/
Feb 20 22:25:17 <CM> Would be nice to be there though... 
Feb 20 22:25:20 <CM> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Events:FOSDEM_2008
Feb 20 22:25:39 <SpeedEvil> well - barring GTA02 being available in quantity there.
Feb 20 22:25:43 <SpeedEvil> Which seems unlikely.
Feb 20 22:26:02 <KrisAbsinthe> Im going to put mine on ebay, but it now 350. If i get around to it
Feb 20 22:26:12 <CM> Hey, how did I miss the opkg stuff?
Feb 20 22:26:16 * CM keeps reading
Feb 20 22:26:25 <KrisAbsinthe> opps but it now 250
Feb 20 22:26:53 <SpeedEvil> it now 250?
Feb 20 22:27:05 <KrisAbsinthe> yeah, ill sell it for 250
Feb 20 22:27:15 <SpeedEvil> ah
Feb 20 22:27:36 <KrisAbsinthe> trying to sell it before the 02 comes out
Feb 20 22:28:07 * SpeedEvil wants any 01s with smashed screens BTW.
Feb 20 22:28:33 <CM> Is monotone.oe.org down again?
Feb 20 22:28:56 <CM> SpeedEvil: If I crack mine I'll send it to you :)
Feb 20 22:32:13 <summatusmentis> what's the diff between opkg and ipkg
Feb 20 22:32:14 <summatusmentis> ?
Feb 20 22:32:48 <KrisAbsinthe> SpeedEvil: You should embed a broke 01 into your laptop lol
Feb 20 22:33:07 <SpeedEvil> KrisAbsinthe: UAV I was more thinking.
Feb 20 22:33:18 <mjr> opkg is some sugar on top
Feb 20 22:33:57 <KrisAbsinthe> SpeedEvil: DAMN RIGHT !! I was some pics lol
Feb 20 22:34:58 <SpeedEvil> KrisAbsinthe: I have the chassis part built, and much of the sensor equipment.
Feb 20 22:35:00 <mjr> SpeedEvil with the UAV project; how's that coming along? :)
Feb 20 22:35:02 <mjr> righto
Feb 20 22:35:21 <SpeedEvil> It's somewhat complex - around 20 sensors.
Feb 20 22:36:13 <SpeedEvil> The fun part isn't the prop or the motor, but the software in many ways.
Feb 20 22:36:30 <SpeedEvil> Basically to fuse the inputs of all the sensors into one position solution.
Feb 20 22:37:00 <KrisAbsinthe> SpeedEvil: Thats great. The neo would be great for a lot, using the GPS to navigate or report location over GPRS
Feb 20 22:37:42 <SpeedEvil> Not really - the primary mission plan is to ascend directly to 1-4Km, then take a panorama, then descend.
Feb 20 22:38:03 <SpeedEvil> hit red button and it lands on takeoff spot 4 min or so later.
Feb 20 22:38:31 <SpeedEvil> With a 90 degree or so conic panorama
Feb 20 22:39:25 <wurp2> SpeedEvil: It sounds like a ballon + altimeter + digital phone + parachute would be the way to go for that mission...
Feb 20 22:39:27 <SpeedEvil> And cell providers get upset about phones at 1Km+ :)
Feb 20 22:39:32 <wurp2> + a tracking device
Feb 20 22:39:42 <SpeedEvil> wurp2: yes - but I want it to be able to do it again in 15 mins, all day.
Feb 20 22:39:55 <KrisAbsinthe> That sounds fun
Feb 20 22:39:56 <wurp2> ah, cool!
Feb 20 22:40:07 <SpeedEvil> wurp2: without a skilled user.
Feb 20 22:40:22 <SpeedEvil> wurp2: as long as they follow the rules on takeoff site and winds
Feb 20 22:40:47 <wurp2> So it is intended to find its way back to the landing pad?
Feb 20 22:40:53 <SpeedEvil> yes.
Feb 20 22:41:19 <wurp2> GPS?  Maybe plus something else once it gets close?
Feb 20 22:41:23 <SpeedEvil> It's basically a helicopter optimised for extreme vertical climb.
Feb 20 22:41:50 <SpeedEvil> GPS, possibily dual GPS, probably magnetic signalling from a loop at the base station.
Feb 20 22:42:26 <wurp2> What are FCC rules re: small stuff flying at 4 km?
Feb 20 22:42:29 <KrisAbsinthe> SpeedEvil: If I may ask, other than cool factor, what are you building it for?
Feb 20 22:42:32 <wurp2> er, FAA
Feb 20 22:42:47 <wurp2> or whatever the air governing body is in your area
Feb 20 22:42:52 <SpeedEvil> KrisAbsinthe: sale to people who may be buying air photos ATM.
Feb 20 22:42:54 <SpeedEvil> wurp2: CAA
Feb 20 22:43:04 <SpeedEvil> wurp2: at the moment - under 7Kg - none.
Feb 20 22:43:13 <wurp2> wow
Feb 20 22:43:15 <SpeedEvil> wurp2: I'm aiming for 900g-1Kg weight.
Feb 20 22:43:20 <SpeedEvil> wurp2: UK
Feb 20 22:43:22 <wurp2> I'll bet that changes in the next 10 years, maybe 5
Feb 20 22:43:41 <wurp2> Because lots of people are gonna be putting stuff under 7 kg up in the next few years
Feb 20 22:44:02 <mjr> wurp2, seems likely enough
Feb 20 22:44:07 <SpeedEvil> wurp2: possibly. I plan to integrate maybe 50W+ of LED flash for the 'sale' version.
Feb 20 22:44:25 <wurp2> KrisAbsinthe: So there would be the answer to your question :-)
Feb 20 22:44:40 <wurp2> That makes sense
Feb 20 22:44:54 <KrisAbsinthe> yup, I love projects like that, im a student of these things ;)
Feb 20 22:45:04 <wurp2> me too
Feb 20 22:45:11 <wurp2> I gotta quit my day job and start doing them
Feb 20 22:45:37 <KrisAbsinthe> lol, im about to start a part time job, just so i can start tinkering more in hardware
Feb 20 22:46:03 <KrisAbsinthe> quiting my 40 hr job...guess i should have qualified that
Feb 20 22:46:19 <wurp2> I figured it out
Feb 20 22:47:33 <KrisAbsinthe> anyone going to HOPE?
Feb 20 22:58:00 <apaulsen> has anyone had success running gllin from the sd card instead of the rootfs?
Feb 20 22:59:21 <KrisAbsinthe> it *should* work as long as you have ipkg-link 'ed it
Feb 20 22:59:53 <mjr> yeah I have. link'd
Feb 20 23:00:11 <apaulsen> I did, but I'm getting "not found" errors
Feb 20 23:00:36 <KrisAbsinthe> are you running gllin or gllin.real
Feb 20 23:01:16 <apaulsen> KrisAbsinthe: they both output a "not found" error
Feb 20 23:01:32 <KrisAbsinthe> brb
Feb 20 23:03:55 <KrisAbsinthe> shit, im getting " bad magic" trying to install gllin now
Feb 20 23:09:21 <apaulsen> KrisAbsinthe: I reinstalled it and now it runs, but it dies after a few seconds
Feb 20 23:15:08 <pavelm> Hello, everyone
Feb 20 23:15:31 <pavelm> ..I updated to latest scaredycat's image (thanks!)... but result is gllin not working with new kernel :-(
Feb 20 23:15:44 <pavelm> it expects open("/sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gps.0/power_lp_io_3v3", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC, 0666) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
Feb 20 23:15:52 <pavelm> ...but directory name is now different.
Feb 20 23:15:59 <pavelm> Has anyone fought this problem already?
Feb 20 23:17:54 <pavelm> ...new names are longer, so I can't simply edit binary file :-(
Feb 20 23:18:24 <KrisAbsinthe> apaulsen: check your /tmp/nmeaNP cause gllin looks like it dies somtimes but is ok
Feb 20 23:19:48 <pavelm> kris: Checked nmeaNP, and it is empty. No wonder -- gllin can't even power up gps on 2.6.24 kernel :-(
Feb 20 23:20:24 <KrisAbsinthe> well that sucks
Feb 20 23:20:45 <apaulsen> shoot, I wanted to get this going before I leave for FOSDEM
Feb 20 23:21:29 <KrisAbsinthe> go to OM image 1/30  if you can find it. 2/10 works too
Feb 20 23:21:39 <KrisAbsinthe> i prefer 1/30
Feb 20 23:22:17 <pavelm> kris: That's too easy. I'll figure something out; this needs fixing anyway.
Feb 20 23:22:36 <KrisAbsinthe> very true, any idea on my problem?
Feb 20 23:22:51 <KrisAbsinthe> I get "invalid Magic" while installing gllin
Feb 20 23:23:46 <pavelm> while _installing_? That's strange.
Feb 20 23:24:44 <KrisAbsinthe> yeah I know, I have the 2/20 image w/ latest kernel stupid. i guess thats what i get for messing with unstable images lol
Feb 20 23:26:37 <pavelm> hmm... plus 2.6.24 kernel gets io errors on microSD card :-(((
Feb 20 23:27:16 <apaulsen> pavelm: I saw that too, then I rebooted and it worked fine
Feb 20 23:27:20 <KrisAbsinthe> that *seems* to work now, thats why i changed
Feb 20 23:27:56 <pavelm> apaulsen: Thanks, will try to reboot.
Feb 20 23:27:58 <KrisAbsinthe> i just ipkg'ed gcc and now i get 'gcc: not found' 
Feb 20 23:28:22 <KrisAbsinthe> nevermind
Feb 20 23:28:28 <pavelm> kris: do you have enough space for that?
Feb 20 23:28:55 <KrisAbsinthe> yeah, they named it the same as the cross. instead of just gcc
Feb 20 23:31:48 <apaulsen> ...attempting kernel downgrade
Feb 20 23:31:51 <pavelm> got it :-)
Feb 20 23:31:52 <pavelm> cat gllin.real | sed 's-/sys/-/s/s/-g' > gllin.real2
Feb 20 23:31:52 <pavelm> mkdir -p /s/s/bus/platform/devices/
Feb 20 23:31:53 <pavelm> ln -s  /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/ /s/s/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gps.0
Feb 20 23:32:22 <KrisAbsinthe> sweet
Feb 20 23:32:24 <apaulsen> pavelm: nice magic
Feb 20 23:45:06 <pavelm> Time to get some sleep...
Feb 21 01:56:50 <KrisAbsinthe> Lunar eclipse in North America
Feb 21 01:58:56 * SpeedEvil sighs.
Feb 21 01:59:02 <SpeedEvil> How many moons do you think there are?
Feb 21 01:59:36 <SpeedEvil> If you can see the moon, and there's a lunar eclipse, you see the same as anyone on earth
Feb 21 01:59:48 * raster moons #openmoko
Feb 21 01:59:50 <SpeedEvil> not the same as solar eclipses.
Feb 21 01:59:52 <Tronic> Lunar eclipse in Finland as well, but I think that the clouds block it, anyway.
Feb 21 02:00:04 <SpeedEvil> Same in scotland.
Feb 21 02:00:30 <ewon> too cloudy to see it here in SoCal :(
Feb 21 02:00:38 <Tronic> I wonder what the fuzz about lunar eclipses is. You almost get one every month, anyway...
Feb 21 02:00:50 <SpeedEvil> It's one every several years at minimum
Feb 21 02:01:01 <SpeedEvil> next one visible in UK is IIRC 2012
Feb 21 02:01:18 <SpeedEvil> almost, yes.
Feb 21 02:07:02 <Kero> only a little bit cloudy here.
Feb 21 02:07:11 * Kero will be watching the eclipse
Feb 21 02:18:48 <KrisAbsinthe> SpeedEbil: I didnt know that. Thanks for enlightening me;)
Feb 21 02:23:16 <raster> install ipk... install!
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