**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 27 10:59:57 2008 Feb 27 10:59:57 is there any information I can give in order to help catching that specific case? Feb 27 11:00:17 In some cases, due to lack of time, it seems to be a case of 'if it compiles, ship it' - which is understandable really. Feb 27 11:00:29 Someone was doing tests of each new image I think Feb 27 11:00:48 yes.. I took the image from the snapshot_review page on the wii Feb 27 11:00:49 wiki Feb 27 11:04:49 ah- that'll be it. Feb 27 11:16:36 it's sad, because the battery won't last for an idle night... that makes the phone unusable... Feb 27 11:16:52 what not its not Feb 27 11:17:04 just make it turn off at night when you are sleeping as it should Feb 27 11:18:34 heh... Feb 27 11:18:51 no really Feb 27 11:18:57 don't you turn your phone off at night ? Feb 27 11:19:02 want a call at 1 am Feb 27 11:19:03 or a sms Feb 27 11:19:51 ok... anyway... I may be away from my computer for more than four hours... and it seems that the battery won't hold for that long Feb 27 11:22:43 it will last 24 hours in suspend Feb 27 11:23:11 XorA, the problem is that gsm stops working after some suspend-resume cycles Feb 27 11:23:26 oh, I thought that was supposed to be fixed Feb 27 11:23:43 20080220 still fails... Feb 27 11:29:54 anyone have a recent MokoMakefile that builds fine? Feb 27 11:32:27 ruoso: :-( Feb 27 11:44:37 <`pwgen`> mikeyl: where can i find the famous gsmd with dbusinterface ? Feb 27 11:45:00 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r83 10/trunk/software/pyneod/setup.py: pyneod: rewrite setup.py Feb 27 12:33:29 * ScaredyCat too mickeyl Feb 27 12:54:43 Hi there, I'd have a few questions.. Feb 27 12:55:09 I'd like to know a bit about the developer tools you use for openmoko/neo/gta02 Feb 27 12:55:09 well, hopefully we have some answers. no guarantees though. Feb 27 12:55:26 You use gcc ? Feb 27 12:55:29 Susannasu: gcc/ openembedded/... Feb 27 12:56:07 how about valgrind ? Feb 27 12:56:21 openmoko: 03werner * r4121 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (pcf50633-suspend-hacks.patch series): (log message trimmed) Feb 27 12:56:21 openmoko: fix-pcf50633-one-shot-resume.patch Feb 27 12:56:21 openmoko: From: Andy Green Feb 27 12:56:21 openmoko: The wakeup sources behind the PMU interrupt only worked once Feb 27 12:56:21 openmoko: as a wakeup source for suspend. This is because of further Feb 27 12:56:22 can you just ssh to the target and run that ? Feb 27 12:56:25 openmoko: resume sequencing trouble meaning that the PMU interrupt Feb 27 12:56:27 openmoko: gets accepted for service before the I2C driver resumed and Feb 27 12:57:18 apparently you have a shell on that end cause one can ssh to the phone ? Feb 27 12:58:01 Is there a page somewhere on the net to get started ? Feb 27 12:58:31 I'm interesting in how easy it is to compile, upload to target and run tests on the target Feb 27 12:58:57 Once you've got the toolchain setup and understood, easy. Feb 27 12:59:26 scratchbox ? Feb 27 13:00:35 hi, does anyone have a recent successful build? if yes, can you pastebin the MokoMakefile? Feb 27 13:01:05 Ok, can you direct me to a good page to get started ? Feb 27 13:01:11 And thanks. Feb 27 13:02:14 got it already Feb 27 13:02:16 bye :) Feb 27 13:06:58 hi all, will OM apply as a mentor organisation for the gsoc? Feb 27 13:07:04 openmoko: 03werner * r4122 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/setup.sh: Feb 27 13:07:04 openmoko: Fixed various silly bugs. Devirginating GTA02v5 now works. NOR is still Feb 27 13:07:04 openmoko: missing. Feb 27 13:07:04 openmoko: - setup.sh: progress is good, but the right word here really is "process" Feb 27 13:07:04 openmoko: - setup.sh: use new USB ID for GTA02 Feb 27 13:07:05 openmoko: - setup.sh: "-s" was missing in env_size_opt Feb 27 13:07:09 openmoko: - setup.sh: unlike cpp, envedit.pl needs a space between -D and the token Feb 27 13:07:30 Sup3rkiddo: almost sure about that, yea Feb 27 13:07:44 mickeyl, :D cool, thanls Feb 27 13:07:46 *thanks Feb 27 13:11:00 anyone got it running on a network in canada? Feb 27 13:12:48 openmoko: 03werner * r4123 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/config.gta02v5: Example devirginator configuration for GTA02v5. Feb 27 13:15:20 exploid: The standard gta01 was unable to register with Rogers in Ottawa when I tested it there; the modified gta01 (with 850MHz support) does work there. Feb 27 13:16:28 There have been discussions that indicate that at least in some locations Rogers requires the phone to speak on 850 in order to work on 1900, if this is so, then the gta01 (and presumably the gta02) will not work in those locations. Feb 27 13:16:43 ok Feb 27 13:19:51 that must be particular to rogers then, other carriers never had any issue with my 900/1800/1900 phone Feb 27 13:20:27 (that applies to us carriers however) Feb 27 13:21:11 well here in Canada the networks are pretty crappy :/ Feb 27 13:25:16 <`pwgen`> mikeyl: where can i find the gsmd with dbus support ? Feb 27 13:26:54 there is no definite source for that Feb 27 13:27:01 there is an ixonos gsmd Feb 27 13:27:04 there is the pygsmd Feb 27 13:27:09 both speak dbus Feb 27 13:27:14 but not the freesmartphone.org API (yet) Feb 27 13:27:24 pygsmd is in the freesmartphone.org repository Feb 27 13:27:32 ixonos gsmd will probably be in there soon as well Feb 27 13:28:14 i expect pygsmd to speak freesmartphon.org API within the next 2 weeks Feb 27 13:28:27 then you can write applications based on that Feb 27 13:30:20 <`pwgen`> thx i ill have a look at the freesmartphon.org pygsmd Feb 27 13:36:47 <`pwgen`> hmm. pygsmd use the gsmd. gsmd does not work wery well . Feb 27 13:47:22 `pwgen`: pygsmd does /not/ use gsmd or anything. it uses pyserial to directly talk to the modem Feb 27 13:47:38 `pwgen`: if you like it can be used together with the muxer. Feb 27 13:48:09 `pwgen`: where did you see that gsmd is used? Feb 27 13:49:11 `pwgen`: pygsmd was written /because/ gsmd does not work reliable. today pygsmd work well without muxer and has some minor issues if used with the muxer Feb 27 13:49:35 by the way Feb 27 13:49:42 OM Inc. seems to think gsmd works very reliable nowadays Feb 27 13:49:49 we should either prove them wrong or take a 2nd look Feb 27 13:49:51 just FYI Feb 27 13:50:17 mickeyl: you are right. but i have no time for that. so i shut up and just tell pygsmd uses dbus ;) Feb 27 13:50:26 heh Feb 27 13:50:30 someone has to check that Feb 27 13:50:33 not necessarily you Feb 27 13:50:45 we have 4 options for a phone server now Feb 27 13:50:51 4 backend options, that is Feb 27 13:51:06 "someone" needs to evaluate and report Feb 27 13:51:09 hmm Feb 27 13:51:14 * mickeyl looking out for Mr. Someone Feb 27 13:51:30 cool, would be nice if all would talk the same langu.. eeh api :D Feb 27 13:51:37 that's for sure Feb 27 13:51:43 freesmartphone.org API is a must Feb 27 13:52:03 hopefully Feb 27 13:52:11 i really like the storage thing btw. Feb 27 13:52:17 and have some ideas for 'event' Feb 27 13:52:54 what language is ixonos gsmd written in? Feb 27 13:52:55 :D fine. talked to abraxa__ about that yesterday. asked him if he would be interested in buidling a enhanced (!) eds replacement Feb 27 13:53:02 ScaredyCat: C Feb 27 13:53:14 emdete: excellent, that'd really rock. Feb 27 13:53:19 * mickeyl smells good ideas for SoC Feb 27 13:53:19 goodie... available soon.. ? Feb 27 13:53:29 ScaredyCat: i think so Feb 27 13:53:31 mickeyl: that's good to here. i always wonder how to fuzzy-find relations Feb 27 13:54:01 mickeyl: say you get a text including a email and gets autom. related to the correct contact! Feb 27 13:54:37 *nod* Feb 27 13:55:46 *dream* Feb 27 13:56:11 everything is possible Feb 27 13:56:16 once we all pull on the same strings Feb 27 13:56:21 yes, i heard we have 6mon ;) Feb 27 13:56:26 I want a phone that makes all my phonecalls for me :-) Feb 27 13:56:33 that's a challenge Feb 27 13:57:01 XorA: hey, thats already done - i put a cronjob walking through your contact list :D Feb 27 13:57:04 pyneog ? Feb 27 13:57:09 and an eliza bot for spammers, "So how do you really feel about double glazing?" Feb 27 13:57:28 XorA: :D Feb 27 13:57:32 ScaredyCat: ? Feb 27 13:57:38 what is it Feb 27 13:57:50 ScaredyCat: the gui for the pyneo project Feb 27 13:58:13 is it worth checking out? Feb 27 13:58:19 or is it too early Feb 27 13:58:25 ScaredyCat: first check mickeyl's movie :D Feb 27 13:58:38 where is it? Feb 27 13:58:49 not in svn Feb 27 13:58:49 :( Feb 27 13:59:04 * ScaredyCat pokes mickeyl with a poking stick Feb 27 13:59:25 how about checking my blog? Feb 27 13:59:36 you do _not_ read my blog every day? Feb 27 13:59:43 that's depressing Feb 27 14:00:01 at least you should check planet.openmoko.org every 1h ;) Feb 27 14:00:10 but the typeset on my page is better Feb 27 14:00:13 lol Feb 27 14:00:59 * ScaredyCat hangs head in shame Feb 27 14:01:43 ScaredyCat: dont be to bad, I didnt even know about your repos until a couple of days before FOSDEM Feb 27 14:01:55 hehe Feb 27 14:02:18 ScaredyCat: and only then becuase people emailed bugs about them to people in OM at random Feb 27 14:02:33 !! Feb 27 14:02:42 wtf Feb 27 14:02:50 I never get any feedback... Feb 27 14:02:58 you're getting it! Feb 27 14:02:59 lol Feb 27 14:03:02 then, you have some SoC? I'm interested too Feb 27 14:03:08 ScaredyCat: but it goes to random marketing people Feb 27 14:03:12 ScaredyCat: go figure Feb 27 14:05:10 well, it's not clear yet Feb 27 14:05:13 first someone needs to apply Feb 27 14:05:16 good god someone needs to be shot for that colour scheme!!! Feb 27 14:05:17 second we need to get accepted Feb 27 14:05:26 third we need to have convincing ideas Feb 27 14:05:30 fourth we need mentors Feb 27 14:05:32 ... Feb 27 14:06:07 yes, yellow/blue is a bit on the odd side. i would have preferred something greyish, but this is about the least thing I'm worried about Feb 27 14:07:34 hehe Feb 27 14:07:35 <`pwgen`> can someone point me out where i can find the pygsmd you are talking about ? Feb 27 14:07:43 I'm impressed. Feb 27 14:07:51 particularly with the speed... Feb 27 14:07:58 does it actually work as a phone? Feb 27 14:08:26 sure Feb 27 14:08:47 right, I'll give it a try then Feb 27 14:09:10 we don't have an image yet Feb 27 14:09:13 working on that Feb 27 14:09:18 should be ready by the end of the week Feb 27 14:09:22 but I can build one no? Feb 27 14:09:31 I have your svn stuff here Feb 27 14:09:40 that is sweet (apart from colours, theme support come quickly) Feb 27 14:09:42 i don't know if that is complete Feb 27 14:09:46 emdete: ? Feb 27 14:09:49 gneh! Feb 27 14:10:09 more interesting than the current windows mobile clone Feb 27 14:10:27 the scroll speed is quite impressive... Feb 27 14:10:35 * ScaredyCat throws things at emdete Feb 27 14:10:49 the thing is Feb 27 14:10:53 it shows what we _can_ do Feb 27 14:10:58 once we start exploring new ideas Feb 27 14:11:05 working towards solutions we can use Feb 27 14:11:10 instead of copying stuff that's out there Feb 27 14:11:32 yes Feb 27 14:11:35 still takes > 1min to boot :( Feb 27 14:11:43 * XorA rm -rf gtk+/ qtopia/ Feb 27 14:11:50 * mickeyl joins XorA Feb 27 14:12:03 bstards Feb 27 14:12:09 thats the sort of interface my wife has begged for in a phone Feb 27 14:12:13 boot time is no biggie Feb 27 14:12:13 made me learn qtopia && gtk ... Feb 27 14:12:18 now I have to do pyhton Feb 27 14:12:21 we can bring this to 40 seconds Feb 27 14:12:38 its ok, python will make your eyes bleed, lose all sanity, then you dont care anymore Feb 27 14:12:54 ya Feb 27 14:12:55 :'( Feb 27 14:12:58 and honestly Feb 27 14:13:02 if you don't like python Feb 27 14:13:06 you can replace stuff Feb 27 14:13:08 what is that pointer? a tampon ? Feb 27 14:13:12 either on top Feb 27 14:13:16 or below the dbus line Feb 27 14:13:36 * ScaredyCat notes that emdete has run away Feb 27 14:13:48 * XorA wonders what mickeyl was like before python :-) Feb 27 14:13:56 hehe Feb 27 14:14:07 i can't remember Feb 27 14:14:15 i discovered python in 1998 Feb 27 14:14:20 as part of a lecture Feb 27 14:14:33 4 years later i wrote the book; ) Feb 27 14:14:45 wow in 1998 I was coding 8051, 8080, and 68K based assembly Feb 27 14:14:48 yeah, but >> whitespace << Feb 27 14:14:50 * PP|Spydon wants a link to the book Feb 27 14:14:56 wtf with the whitespace! Feb 27 14:15:27 Knuth has blessed using whitespace as structure device. Who are you to question Knuth? Feb 27 14:15:42 pfft..... Feb 27 14:15:49 PP|Spydon: http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/author/ last entry Feb 27 14:16:02 if he said the earth was flat would you believe it? Feb 27 14:16:06 I can only use whitespace when it is white on black, when it is black on white it doesnt work in my brain :-) Feb 27 14:16:08 absolutely Feb 27 14:16:16 re Feb 27 14:16:18 blackspace! Feb 27 14:16:27 * ScaredyCat stabs mickeyl with a mouse pointer Feb 27 14:16:39 :D Feb 27 14:16:48 cjb_ie: yeah :-D Feb 27 14:16:56 emdete: is the stuff in svn up to date? Feb 27 14:17:30 mickeyl: german only? (the book) Feb 27 14:17:36 sry, had to work... Feb 27 14:17:57 ScaredyCat: you don't like my colors...? so please don't shoot me :/ Feb 27 14:18:01 mickeyl, thx Feb 27 14:18:06 yes, the python book and the middleware book are german only. my publisher promised me to translate the Linux on Smartphones book into english (which i'm currently writing) Feb 27 14:18:24 sort of writing, that is Feb 27 14:18:26 *cough* Feb 27 14:18:27 ScaredyCat: svn is more or less up to date, it's just to show something. Feb 27 14:18:29 t i m e... Feb 27 14:18:48 emdete: so I can build an image with it on? Feb 27 14:18:53 mickeyl: do what the rest of your countrymates do and forgo sleep for Mate Feb 27 14:19:09 hah Feb 27 14:19:14 ScaredyCat: because i am writing on it and i have a shadows-svn it will be old always Feb 27 14:19:15 i don't like Mate that much Feb 27 14:19:19 ScaredyCat: shure. Feb 27 14:19:33 hehhe Feb 27 14:19:35 ScaredyCat: but only if you don't shoot me ;) Feb 27 14:19:37 OEDEM was like a Mate convention Feb 27 14:19:48 mickeyl: you can write the book later... code man code! Feb 27 14:19:58 emdete: if I get it working I'll let you off Feb 27 14:19:58 i tell you what Feb 27 14:20:13 i have literally blackmailed OM Inc. to give me 5 people + a designer for 6 months Feb 27 14:20:25 Yay! Feb 27 14:20:26 cool Feb 27 14:20:26 ScaredyCat: i work on switching the colors... and: its not blue/yellow its gray/orange Feb 27 14:20:28 to finally get an environment that we can use and is fun to base on top Feb 27 14:20:34 unfortunately all i got was silence Feb 27 14:20:36 until now Feb 27 14:20:37 lets see Feb 27 14:20:47 mickeyl: did you have to hire the strippers on your own credit card? Feb 27 14:20:48 :) Feb 27 14:20:49 emdete: I saw the gray directory :) Feb 27 14:20:52 But great news. Feb 27 14:20:56 mickeyl: have you done tha task-pyneo already? Feb 27 14:21:09 lol SpeedEvil Feb 27 14:21:21 quit with the whacked out color schemes, everyone knows black on black is the way to go Feb 27 14:21:46 XorA: just think of the backlight power savings that way ;) Feb 27 14:22:30 mom, will get some food.. Feb 27 14:23:50 mickeyl: what do you mean by environment? Feb 27 14:24:01 A dev environment, or a user environment? Feb 27 14:25:12 SpeedEvil: both. a developer environment that makes it fun to come up with new applications because the API is straightforward and the framework is solid. a UI environment that embraces new concepts not copying what others have been doing for ages Feb 27 14:25:38 mmmm.... Feb 27 14:25:40 i'm currently fighting w/ OM Inc. to let me get this route Feb 27 14:25:40 s/get/walk/ Feb 27 14:25:40 mickeyl meant: i'm currently fighting w/ OM Inc. to let me walk this route Feb 27 14:25:54 that install says to remove gtk fastscaling, then installs it again Feb 27 14:28:41 mickeyl: interesting in principle - I worry about newness for newnesses sake with small dev teams though. Feb 27 14:29:52 this is not about newness, this is about exploiting the strengths of the device instead of copying stuff people with stronger hardware did Feb 27 14:30:09 Fair enough, I'm meaning new UI paradigms. Feb 27 14:30:16 (the invention of) Feb 27 14:30:34 python setup.py install Feb 27 14:30:34 Python 2.5.1 (OpenEmbedded build) sitecustomize.py active. Feb 27 14:30:34 File "setup.py", line 2 Feb 27 14:30:34 SyntaxError: encoding problem: with BOM Feb 27 14:30:38 huh> Feb 27 14:33:10 ScaredyCat: there is a package missing because of the coding used in the py file... dont know which right know Feb 27 14:33:21 !!! Feb 27 14:33:25 have you seen the list of needed py pckages? Feb 27 14:33:56 in the readme Feb 27 14:34:44 yes, or in my comments for the bb: http://emdete.de/pyneo/task-pyneo.bb Feb 27 14:36:59 mickeyl wanted to do a task-pyneo frm it that works Feb 27 14:38:19 * ScaredyCat grabs the .bb Feb 27 14:39:28 this isn't going to fit Feb 27 14:40:03 ScaredyCat: ? Feb 27 14:40:31 there's too much python crap to insall Feb 27 14:40:34 install Feb 27 14:41:29 crap? Feb 27 14:43:36 yeah crap Feb 27 14:43:45 it wont fit on the device Feb 27 14:43:50 ScaredyCat: why do you try pyneo then? Feb 27 14:44:06 just go ahead with gtk-noncrap ;) Feb 27 14:49:13 bloody pussy pyhton Feb 27 14:49:40 :( Feb 27 14:49:46 right I deleted the om icons which seems to give me 54 terabytes of space back Feb 27 14:53:39 mickeyl: i like what you said above alot about the dev platform... Feb 27 14:54:05 emdete: i think it aligns 100% with your ideas Feb 27 14:54:07 mickeyl: and i have an idea which may convince you to use maps in the api... Feb 27 14:54:12 heh Feb 27 14:54:17 hardly Feb 27 14:54:20 but let's hear :D Feb 27 14:54:44 mickeyl: i think of writing a simple-to-use wrapper around this parameter where you can set & retrieve params easy Feb 27 14:55:09 so the c-programmer has it easy also to use that pattern Feb 27 14:55:49 no no , make us all learn python... Feb 27 14:55:55 and: yes it aligns but i didn't think we could try to reach for it today Feb 27 14:56:04 then we'll build python robots to take you down Feb 27 14:56:14 ScaredyCat: no, why: openwhatever is a free world :D Feb 27 14:56:46 ScaredyCat: as long as we agree on the same interfaces any crap will do Feb 27 14:57:01 so it seems Feb 27 14:57:03 :P Feb 27 14:57:30 ... right just building the extra txra extra python deps Feb 27 14:57:47 ScaredyCat: isn't there a typo in you name? the 'ed' seems to much from here Feb 27 14:58:11 Raaarr!! Feb 27 14:59:53 fight the python not me... ;) Feb 27 15:00:32 I am Feb 27 15:00:45 ...loosing or winning? Feb 27 15:00:59 so far my laptop hasn't left the room via the window.. so me Feb 27 15:02:37 so, once I have all this stuff installled.. Feb 27 15:02:41 what do I do then ? Feb 27 15:04:21 depends on what you want to achieve. if you prefere black on black just switch the neo off. ;) Feb 27 15:04:25 still really short on space again Feb 27 15:04:41 strange. i have about 30-40% free Feb 27 15:04:54 ! Feb 27 15:05:09 gta01? Feb 27 15:05:09 anyway: what do you want to achieve? Feb 27 15:05:12 yes Feb 27 15:05:33 /dev/mtdblock4 61.1M 38.3M 22.8M 63% / Feb 27 15:06:26 i have < 2mb free Feb 27 15:06:40 deinstall everything from the old stuff... ;) Feb 27 15:06:47 and I still need to install 4 packages Feb 27 15:07:09 hm strange - can you paste `ipkg list_installed`? Feb 27 15:10:17 1 sec Feb 27 15:11:53 http://pastebin.ca/920636 Feb 27 15:20:20 avahi-*, e2fsprogs*, eds-dbus, gdk-pixbuf-loader-*, gnome-vfs*, gsmd*, libatk-1.0-0, libavahi-*, libcairo2, libcroco, libcamel-1.2-0, libebook-1.2-5, libecal-1.2-3, libgsmd*, libjana*, libpcap0.9, libsdl-1.2-0, matchbox-applet-startup-monitor, matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod, matchbox-panel-2-applets, matchbox-stroke, minicom, openmoko-*, pango-*, ppp-dialin, psplash, task-*, can go for now. Feb 27 15:20:41 some of them /must/ be deinstalled before. i.e. libgsmd must be deinstalled! Feb 27 15:21:31 k Feb 27 15:25:16 deinstalled? as in they are deprecated? Feb 27 15:25:59 Sup3rkiddo: for pyneo these are deprecated. yes. okay some are just currently not used (like avahi) Feb 27 15:26:13 ah ok Feb 27 15:27:21 Sup3rkiddo: pyneo is a completly different aproach. it conflicts with most packages from om Feb 27 15:29:15 emdete, iirc its part of freesmartphone.org..right? Feb 27 15:29:27 how are you controlling sound ? Feb 27 15:29:46 ..and i thought otapi is an abstraction over libgsmd replacing libmokogsmd Feb 27 15:29:57 ScaredyCat: currently not - there is gst suport but currently not submitted Feb 27 15:30:42 Sup3rkiddo: pygsmd (part/plugin of pyneod) does /not/ use libgsmd and will implement that directly Feb 27 15:31:17 emdete, yep, played with it...directly drives the modem..no? Feb 27 15:31:35 otapi is a dbus API. there's no particular implementation attached to it. we're exploring all options we have atm., which is gmsd, ixonos-gsmd, qtopia phone server, pygsmd, ... Feb 27 15:31:36 Sup3rkiddo: and yes, its a prototype in freesmartphone.org for the otapi Feb 27 15:32:01 ixonos?...sounds sexy..:D Feb 27 15:32:05 * Sup3rkiddo googles Feb 27 15:36:56 well, I have 10mb free now... Feb 27 15:37:28 hm, thats not as much as i have... Feb 27 15:38:18 anyone know if AT+CFUN is supported by the neo? Feb 27 15:38:45 pygsmd? Feb 27 15:38:47 ... Feb 27 15:38:51 ScaredyCat, hold me Feb 27 15:38:57 Sup3rkiddo: shure Feb 27 15:39:10 lol xcasex Feb 27 15:39:11 cool Feb 27 15:39:24 eem, yes Sup3rkiddo ... Feb 27 15:39:30 kinda important thatone Feb 27 15:41:16 this is my list: http://pastebin.ca/920687 Feb 27 15:46:02 python setup.py install Feb 27 15:46:02 Python 2.5.1 (OpenEmbedded build) sitecustomize.py active. Feb 27 15:46:02 sh: install: not found Feb 27 15:46:02 sh: install: not found Feb 27 15:46:02 sh: install: not found Feb 27 15:46:28 whats that Feb 27 15:46:42 (or: please give us context :D ) Feb 27 15:47:19 pyneod Feb 27 15:49:30 what exactly did you do? Feb 27 15:50:12 scp'd the pyneod stuff to the phone... Feb 27 15:50:17 cd pyneod Feb 27 15:50:18 python setup.py install Feb 27 15:50:36 cat INSTALL Feb 27 15:50:44 try the recipes that are already in OE Feb 27 15:50:45 mickeyl: ping Feb 27 15:50:51 oh wait, nvm Feb 27 15:50:55 This package uses python distutils. Run 'python setup.py install' to install. Feb 27 15:51:06 :-) mickeyl: are you planning on doing GSoC for openmoko? Feb 27 15:51:14 me mickeyl? Feb 27 15:51:23 ScaredyCat: check packages/freesmartphone/* Feb 27 15:51:28 there's also a new image task Feb 27 15:51:31 untested Feb 27 15:51:35 building from scratch atm. Feb 27 15:51:39 :o Feb 27 15:51:45 summatusmentis: hopefully not me, but hopefully it'll happen, yes Feb 27 15:52:18 ok, Crofton in #angstrom is working getting an application pulled together for them, and he wanted me to check w/ you Feb 27 15:52:31 (I'm interested in participating as a student) Feb 27 15:52:45 * Sup3rkiddo too :D Feb 27 15:52:52 well, OpenMoko will try to apply anyways Feb 27 15:52:58 Angstrom should apply seperatly Feb 27 15:53:04 or OpenEmbedded, for that matter Feb 27 15:53:08 mickeyl: right, he thought both orgs should, but wanted to check Feb 27 15:53:25 I mailed the OE dev list, and noone really seemed to think OE had a place in doing that Feb 27 15:53:31 or wanted OE to Feb 27 15:53:33 well Feb 27 15:53:36 i would want OE in Feb 27 15:53:41 but i do not have high hopes Feb 27 15:53:44 bye Feb 27 15:53:50 since OE is very abstract Feb 27 15:54:07 and the deliverables would benefit only us Feb 27 15:54:12 (us being OE) Feb 27 15:54:37 right... I think the abstraction was mostly the reaction I was getting on the list Feb 27 15:55:14 the things where OE is weak can not be done easily as a GSoC project Feb 27 15:55:17 i.e. improving the docs Feb 27 15:55:22 or the website Feb 27 15:55:34 I guess that makes sense... hmm Feb 27 15:55:34 or adding more image formats etc. Feb 27 15:55:55 so there's much more chance in software projects for a concrete OE-built distro Feb 27 15:56:08 like first-usage-wizard on Angstrom Feb 27 15:56:13 or something like this Feb 27 15:57:16 that makes sense, I'm working on coming up w/ ideas for Angstrom, but I'll probably apply for both, and see what comes of it Feb 27 15:57:23 yeah Feb 27 15:58:24 alright, cool, thanks Feb 27 15:58:29 * summatusmentis goes to class Feb 27 16:08:47 re Feb 27 16:09:53