**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 01 10:59:57 2008
Mar 01 11:00:02 <ScaredyCat> s/multitouch/toucscreen/
Mar 01 11:00:48 <ScaredyCat> seems a bit odd.. there are people who use apple bt kb's with no probs
Mar 01 11:08:35 <gamin> s/touchscreen/multitap/ :)
Mar 01 11:10:23 <gamin> I have killed the multitap-pad process, but that doesn't help
Mar 01 11:10:53 * ljp doesnt have a problem compiling qtopia but doesnt use openembedded
Mar 01 11:22:31 <rob_w|laptop> when can we exspect a hardware which suspends/resumes correctly ? is the gta02 supposed to fix this once and for all ?
Mar 01 11:24:06 <raster> yes it is
Mar 01 11:33:38 <xzcvczx> nnpiggy: ping
Mar 01 11:34:51 <SpeedEvil> raster: do you mean by that that there are unresolvable hardware problems in 01 suspend - or just that software/hardware for 02 is meant to do everything and have no bugs?
Mar 01 11:35:35 <raster> SpeedEvil: i know nothing of the gta01 stuff so no comment there :)
Mar 01 11:35:40 <SpeedEvil> k
Mar 01 11:35:40 <raster> SpeedEvil: but gta02 is meant to work
Mar 01 11:35:50 <raster> its meant to be hw-bug-free
Mar 01 11:35:56 <raster> that is he most important goal
Mar 01 11:36:03 <raster> everything else is secondary right now
Mar 01 11:36:07 <raster> hw bug-free
Mar 01 11:36:25 <raster> hw verification under linux should be complete and ticked off before anything ships
Mar 01 11:36:35 <raster> it does not mean all drivers ro software is complete
Mar 01 11:36:52 <raster> ut the aim is to have all the important stuff working - as we need it to be working in linux to verify the hw anyway
Mar 01 11:37:02 <SpeedEvil> Yeah.
Mar 01 11:37:19 <raster> gta02 will ship when we are satisfied we have reached that goal :)
Mar 01 11:37:31 <SpeedEvil> Including all 2d drivers, or just enough to demonstrate that there are not hardware interface problems?
Mar 01 11:38:40 <raster> just enough to demonstrate that
Mar 01 11:38:56 <raster> at this stage we believe out gfx interface is fine
Mar 01 11:39:21 <raster> any bugs will either be driver or literally smedia chip bugs that cannot be fixed
Mar 01 11:39:32 <raster> (i.e. a design flaw)
Mar 01 11:39:41 <raster> Dodji: morning mate!
Mar 01 11:41:07 <rob_w|laptop> nice .. i flashed the latest image .. played with it .. did bluetooth status check and it went dark and doesnt turn on anymore .. 
Mar 01 11:42:59 <SpeedEvil> rob_w|laptop: take battery out and USB out, wait 1 min, plug it back in
Mar 01 11:43:05 <SpeedEvil> See what happens
Mar 01 11:44:12 <mbuf> my FIC batteries are not working even after charging them separately; should i get BL-5C batteries? or any other suggestions?
Mar 01 11:45:31 <SpeedEvil> mbuf: how changing seperately?
Mar 01 11:45:36 <SpeedEvil> charging
Mar 01 11:46:06 <mbuf> SpeedEvil, using a Taiwanese charger, connected to the mains directly
Mar 01 11:46:31 <SpeedEvil> Sure it turns off at 4.2V properly?
Mar 01 11:46:47 <mbuf> SpeedEvil, my build is Ångstrom, February 29, 2008; if connected with the PC on boot, it does fast charge, and i get a prompt
Mar 01 11:47:03 <mbuf> SpeedEvil, but wiki says phone must boot first, and then you should connect it to the PC;
Mar 01 11:47:20 <mbuf> SpeedEvil, i think because of low battery levels, ping to device is not working from the PC
Mar 01 11:47:32 <SpeedEvil> mbuf: sorry - what's not working?
Mar 01 11:48:08 <mbuf> SpeedEvil, the phone is not booting completely to prompt (with battery, and not connected to PC)
Mar 01 11:48:09 <SpeedEvil> you've got the cdc_ether module loaded, and ifconfig'd the usb0?
Mar 01 11:48:17 <SpeedEvil> ah
Mar 01 11:48:37 <SpeedEvil> have you trie to flash it last boot?
Mar 01 11:48:40 <mbuf> SpeedEvil, all that is configured as is; used to work with December builds
Mar 01 11:48:49 <mbuf> SpeedEvil, last boot?
Mar 01 11:49:38 <SpeedEvil> And do you mean that it goes through uboot but gfails aftesometimes after tlinux boots?
Mar 01 11:50:21 <mbuf> SpeedEvil, before booting, if i connect the Neo to the PC, it boots fine, and gives me a prompt on the display; but, ssh or ping fails
Mar 01 11:50:33 <SpeedEvil> a prompt?
Mar 01 11:50:54 <SpeedEvil> you mean the normal graphical display with the dialers?
Mar 01 11:51:01 <SpeedEvil> well - not dialer.
Mar 01 11:51:05 <SpeedEvil> homepage
Mar 01 11:51:16 <mbuf> SpeedEvil, ssh or ping from the PC; yes "Ångstrom" distribution and a console prompt; just like what is mentioned here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Angstrom_on_Neo1973
Mar 01 11:52:08 <mbuf> SpeedEvil, "The OpenMoko Distribution -- powered by Angstrom fic-gta01 tty1" "OpenMoko P1-Snapshot-20080228 fic-gta01 tty1" "fic-gta01 login"
Mar 01 11:53:35 <SpeedEvil> Have you ever flashed uboot?
Mar 01 11:53:47 <mbuf> SP8472, not recently
Mar 01 11:53:51 <mbuf> SpeedEvil, not recently
Mar 01 11:55:24 <SpeedEvil> It never boots to the graphical environment?
Mar 01 11:55:24 <mbuf> SpeedEvil, last time was with Snapshot-20070917, uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr2937; when there was a major update was announced for everyone in u-boot
Mar 01 11:55:29 <mbuf> SpeedEvil, nope
Mar 01 11:55:49 <SpeedEvil> Have you tried reflashing?
Mar 01 11:56:08 <mbuf> SpeedEvil, the wiki documentation is consistent with this finding that one needs to install xserver-kdrive-fbdev to get X;
Mar 01 11:56:17 <mbuf> SpeedEvil, nope; i can reflash it and see
Mar 01 11:56:30 <SpeedEvil> That sounds like the old bug where the kernel becomes confused if you have a jffs image that's smaller than the existing jffs image
Mar 01 11:57:05 <SpeedEvil> you get the two images sort-of-merged with massive corruption
Mar 01 11:57:18 <SpeedEvil> which casues it not to boot properly
Mar 01 11:58:11 <mbuf> SpeedEvil, i checked that too; previous rootfs was 43M, recent one was 46M
Mar 01 11:58:36 <SpeedEvil> It adds to teh effective size if you write to the root filesyustem
Mar 01 11:58:44 <mbuf> SpeedEvil, i see
Mar 01 11:58:53 <mbuf> SpeedEvil, so i shall reflash u-boot?
Mar 01 11:59:07 <SpeedEvil> nand erase rootfs at the uboot command line erases the root filesystem
Mar 01 11:59:07 <SpeedEvil> that works
Mar 01 11:59:13 <SpeedEvil> no actual need to flash uboot
Mar 01 11:59:22 <mbuf> SpeedEvil, ok
Mar 01 12:01:25 <SpeedEvil> nand erase alone will brick your phone
Mar 01 12:03:48 <mbuf> SpeedEvil, which boot-menu option (set console to USB?)
Mar 01 12:07:24 <SpeedEvil> see the page flashing openmoko
Mar 01 12:07:30 <SpeedEvil> search for nand erase
Mar 01 12:07:43 <mbuf> SpeedEvil, got it
Mar 01 12:07:57 <mbuf> SpeedEvil, had to chown uucp.uucp (was getting permission denied errors)
Mar 01 12:22:31 <mbuf> urgh! dfu_util download error -71
Mar 01 12:33:53 <ScaredyCat> a) make sure it's the only usb device, that can be updated like that, that's plugged in.  b) are you doing it right?  are you using sudo/root account ?
Mar 01 13:23:46 <mohamed> hi all, I was flashing qemu but this error arises http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57925/ 
Mar 01 13:23:50 <mohamed> any help?
Mar 01 13:24:08 <PBeck> hoi
Mar 01 13:29:05 <RedDog> hi
Mar 01 13:37:14 <ScaredyCat> mohamed: sudo apt-get install libsdl1.2-dev netpbm
Mar 01 13:37:23 <ScaredyCat> please at least read the wiki
Mar 01 13:40:40 <mohamed> ScaredyCat: thanks :) 
Mar 01 13:56:22 <mohamed> ScaredyCat: have you got any idea about that http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57927/ ?
Mar 01 13:59:37 <mohamed> should I use an older u-boot ?
Mar 01 14:14:52 <mohamed> could any one help me with this problem http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57927/ ?
Mar 01 14:34:26 <mohamed> hi all, I've built openmoko and I'm trying to emulate it using qemu (using mokomakefile), so I type make build-qemu and then make flash-qemu-local but the error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57927/ arises while I was flashing
Mar 01 14:34:55 <mohamed> could you help me with that problem ?
Mar 01 15:56:16 <zedstar> im looking for the least painful way to package lighttpd for a n810 (maemo) i notice there is a bitbake receipe for lighttpd so i guess i gotta setup OE for nokia builds? has anyone does this already...basically im after a .deb for lighttpd......somewhat not related to openmoko this question sorry
Mar 01 15:58:11 <pH5> zedstar: --> #oe. it's DISTRO=chinook-compat, MACHINE=nokia800
Mar 01 15:59:39 <zedstar> thanks pH5.......so then just bitbake the receipe and it will generate a .deb?
Mar 01 16:18:04 <ClimDan> Cool Dating Club site ===> new-datingclub eu
Mar 01 16:19:15 <pH5> zedstar: at least that is the theory.
Mar 01 16:19:49 <zedstar> yeh seems a lot of "magic" happens :) i need to RTFM this stuff i guess at some point
Mar 01 16:19:55 <pH5> there are still some issues like .debs of c++ programs depending on a wrong version of libstdc++, but the programs I compiled so far worked.
Mar 01 16:28:15 <mwester> pH5:  is the OS2008-compatible version, or OS2007?
Mar 01 16:28:33 * mwester can't keep chinook and other code-names straight... :(
Mar 01 16:29:19 <pH5> mwester: chinook / maemo 4.0 / os2008
Mar 01 16:29:51 * SpeedEvil hopes chinook doesn't crash a lot.
Mar 01 16:33:11 * mwester is very happy with his n800 and os2008.  He wishes that OM would "re-use" some of the features and perhaps the framework...
Mar 01 16:34:40 <CM> I haven't been able to build bleeding-edge openmoko with oe this year
Mar 01 16:34:44 <CM> Not even once
Mar 01 16:35:27 <mwester> The bleeding edge stuff builds here far more often than the so-called "stable" does.  I've actually abandoned the stable stuff from openmoko.com...
Mar 01 16:35:46 <CM> Yeah, me too
Mar 01 16:36:09 <mwester> What sort of problems are you encountering?
Mar 01 16:36:15 <CM> right now I fail on pth_2.0.2.bb
Mar 01 16:36:26 <CM> Before that there were some kernel stuff
Mar 01 16:36:26 <mwester> The year is 1/6th over, that a long time without a build... :p
Mar 01 16:36:48 <CM> And usually make image fails because of missing dependencies
Mar 01 16:36:51 <mwester> When was the last time you deleted your tmp directory and started all over?
Mar 01 16:37:01 <CM> Too long ago I guess..
Mar 01 16:37:17 <CM> Should start a complete rebuild..
Mar 01 16:59:07 <ScaredyCat> currently I'm failing on opkg because it got modded...
Mar 01 17:21:14 <ScaredyCat> mickeyl just fixed that one :)
Mar 01 18:09:29 <piksi> i bet this one has been asked before but: is there going to be a freerunner version with 3G ?
Mar 01 18:10:05 <mwester> No
Mar 01 18:10:25 <mwester> 3G would be something after the freerunner, it is suspected.  But not the freerunner.
Mar 01 18:11:10 <piksi> ok
Mar 01 18:11:41 <piksi> too bad though, with 3g i would have bought it immediately upon release
Mar 01 18:14:55 <johnycsh> whats the easiest way to get the vmlinux file used in the stable 2007.2 branch? can I just pull it out of the PPCBoot .bin file easily? I'm trying to get symbols into gdb.
Mar 01 18:18:20 <SpeedEvil>  /proc/kallsyms?
Mar 01 18:24:54 <johnycsh> hey thanks. thats a good idea.
Mar 01 18:26:50 <johnycsh> does gdb know how to use System.map's as symbol files though?
Mar 01 18:28:48 <SpeedEvil> No idea
Mar 01 18:29:01 <johnycsh> doesnt seem like it
Mar 01 18:52:43 <ScaredyCat> emdete: ping
Mar 01 18:53:09 * ScaredyCat sings..
Mar 01 18:53:25 <ScaredyCat> I fell into a burning ring of fire...
Mar 01 19:19:11 <wurp2> OK, we got a sort-of review of the 2/28 release
Mar 01 19:19:16 <wurp2> but I see a 2/29 and 3/01 release
Mar 01 19:19:22 <wurp2> Anyone have any experience with those?
Mar 01 19:35:27 * mwester throws a show at ScaredyCat 
Mar 01 19:36:03 <mwester> s/show/shoe/
Mar 01 19:36:15 <mwester> sigh...
Mar 01 19:36:26 <wurp2> apt is logged off?
Mar 01 19:36:33 <wurp2> I guess not
Mar 01 19:36:43 <wurp2> Oh, it just doesn't work for emotes
Mar 01 19:40:45 <ScaredyCat> I'll get me coat...
Mar 01 19:48:32 <mwester> What a quiet place.  Does everyone else have a life, or something?
Mar 01 19:49:05 <MHazem> not me
Mar 01 19:49:35 <DukeOfURL> reading the xcircuit documentation
Mar 01 19:50:24 <CVirus> migrating to irssi :-)
Mar 01 19:50:46 <wurp2> CVirus: don't forget to install bitlbee too
Mar 01 19:51:07 <CVirus>  irc to IM gateway that support multiple IM protocols
Mar 01 19:51:09 <CVirus> interesting
Mar 01 19:51:12 <CVirus> wurp2: thanks :-)
Mar 01 19:51:35 <wurp2> yw :-)
Mar 01 19:52:15 <wurp2> ssh + corkscrew + irssi + bitlbee is why I can still be in touch with the world while I'm at work
Mar 01 19:52:28 <wurp2> oh, and screen
Mar 01 19:52:51 <wurp2> Free software kicks tail
Mar 01 19:53:56 <CVirus> I use proxytunnel instead of corksrew ... but the new IT team at the university has disabled this ... I'll try corkscrew then
Mar 01 19:54:08 <mwester> Darn it's annoying that so many digital multimeters skip the 2 Amp scale.  :(  Makes it really hard to monitor the GSM modem power draw when off (20 ma) and also handle the full current draw of the GTA01 without blowing the fuse on the meter.  :(
Mar 01 19:55:34 <mwester> heh - speaking of intrusive firewalls and all -- I just discovered that while my ISP does all sorts of bandwidth limiting on http and ftp downloads, they apparently ignore ordinary un-encrypted torrent downloads :D
Mar 01 19:55:59 <CVirus> hehe
Mar 01 19:57:42 <mwester> Yep - an http download will throttle down to about 48KB/sec within about two minutes, but I'm watching a torrent download at 350KB/sec now for over an hour.
Mar 01 20:01:32 <wurp2> mwester: crazy sysadmins
Mar 01 20:02:41 <hypa7ia> CVirus: and don't forget that there's OTR support inbitlbee now
Mar 01 20:06:11 <CVirus> OTR ?
Mar 01 20:06:46 <mwester> wurp2:  I rather suspect I should enjoy this for the moment, as it's probably an oversight and will be corrected soon. :)
Mar 01 20:07:44 <hypa7ia> CVirus: nifty IM encryption.  http://cypherpunks.ca/otr
Mar 01 20:13:46 <_diego_> mwester: probably becouse 350Kb/s are just the total bandwith, and they are slowing down each connection
Mar 01 20:14:18 <_diego_> bittorrent download trough multiple connection so u can still have more bandwith
Mar 01 20:14:22 <mwester> hmmm.....   good point.
Mar 01 20:24:35 <ScaredyCat> boom!
Mar 01 20:26:42 <mwester> Did ScaredyCat just explode?
Mar 01 21:02:06 <ScaredyCat> sort of..
Mar 01 21:02:25 <holycow> lots of really good ideas and points on the wiki
Mar 01 21:02:36 <holycow> pretty much summarizes most of teh ideas i've had
Mar 01 21:02:46 <holycow> can't wait to see moko with a buisness shell
Mar 01 21:03:23 <holycow> i can totally see using the moko for example as a media center controller
Mar 01 21:08:18 <mwester> holycow:  wouldn't it need an IR emitter for that?
Mar 01 21:09:34 <ScaredyCat> mmm, there's weird shit going on with my latest build
Mar 01 21:09:38 <holycow> i'm thinking wifi and i'm also thinking networked linux media center to ms media center
Mar 01 21:09:47 <ScaredyCat> linuxMCE
Mar 01 21:10:00 <holycow> you come home, your moko vpns into your local network
Mar 01 21:10:15 <holycow> you startup lmce control console app on your moko
Mar 01 21:10:44 <holycow> or you maybe do an xdmcp session with video playback fullscreen and watch a video you torrented last night while taking a bath
Mar 01 21:10:56 <holycow> open vpns even
Mar 01 21:11:30 <holycow> err ... 'to ms media center' should read NOT ms media center
Mar 01 21:11:45 <holycow> what is the latest update on being able to buy a gta02>
Mar 01 21:11:48 <holycow> ? even?
Mar 01 21:12:13 <holycow> i can't find a date on the site, which is cool just curious what the latest thoughts on this are
Mar 01 21:14:06 <mwester> They are still testing the current version to see if it is possible to use the current PCB to manufacture the production units.  If they decide that they can, they will have to update the manufacturing procedures,etc, to accomodate the various fixes they must do to the current version.
Mar 01 21:14:26 <holycow> oh neat
Mar 01 21:14:28 <holycow> thank  you
Mar 01 21:14:51 <mwester> Then manufacture a test batch, test again (although less strenuous a test, more a go/nogo test), and if good, then perhaps they will schedule a production run.  Then we can order.
Mar 01 21:14:59 <holycow> i'm like on the edge of having to make a decision to get a blackberry or a treo ... and i eally want to not haveto make that horrible choice
Mar 01 21:15:13 <holycow> so 6 months probably
Mar 01 21:15:15 <holycow> okay
Mar 01 21:15:43 <mwester> On the other hand, OM has not committed that they will be satisfied with the current version; there are a number of PCB changes they would like to make and they may choose to do another PCB  layout - which would result in many weeks more delay (although a better product, of course).
Mar 01 21:15:54 <holycow> right 
Mar 01 21:15:58 <holycow> and that would make sense
Mar 01 21:16:03 <mwester> So, it could be as the topic says - April, or it could be as late as summer.
Mar 01 21:16:23 <holycow> i heard someone the other week mentioning there were dissapointed in some feature of the graphics system .... not enough bandwidth or something
Mar 01 21:16:45 <mwester> That's a design issue, and not fixable in the freerunner.
Mar 01 21:17:01 <mwester> The issues they are currently working on involve ideal values for resistors, etc.
Mar 01 21:17:18 <mwester> (minimizing power consumption, etc.)
Mar 01 21:17:34 <holycow> ahhhh ... okay. gotcha.  thank you for the lesson ... clearly i'm just guessing :)
Mar 01 21:46:46 <CM> ScaredyCat: Nice post, thanks for the update on what's going on :)
Mar 01 21:47:41 <ScaredyCat> :)
Mar 01 21:48:09 <CM> Does the bleeding edge rev build for om now?
Mar 01 21:48:21 <CM> Guess I have to restart with a clean build.. *sigh*
Mar 01 21:49:38 <ScaredyCat> it has for me
Mar 01 21:49:50 <ScaredyCat> mickeyl fixed the issue I had...
Mar 01 21:49:53 <CM> Ok. I have some pth issue
Mar 01 21:50:04 <CM>  pth_mctx.c:476:2: error: #error "Unsupported Linux (g)libc version and/or platform"
Mar 01 21:50:04 <ScaredyCat> but my image is doing odd stuff... 
Mar 01 21:50:09 <CM> :-/
Mar 01 21:50:21 <ScaredyCat> just checking the clean bleeding edge om
Mar 01 21:50:39 <ScaredyCat> CM: huh?Q
Mar 01 21:50:54 <CM> Yeah, just got that one today
Mar 01 21:51:25 <CM> So I guess I'll try a clean build tomorrow
Mar 01 21:51:38 <ScaredyCat> yeah - worth it methinks
Mar 01 21:52:07 <CM> But since I have my comp in the bedroom now, I don't want it building all night like I used to 
Mar 01 21:52:16 <CM> The hard disks are too noisy
Mar 01 21:52:28 <ScaredyCat> :/
Mar 01 21:52:48 <emdete> did you know that gllin does not work anymore with the new kernel? is there a workaround?
Mar 01 21:53:30 <CM> emdete: I think there is.. pavelm or someone posted about it
Mar 01 21:53:30 <alphaone> emdete: you could make symlinks in /sys at the appropriate places
Mar 01 21:53:41 <mwester> emdete:  I know that the changes made with the naming of the device affected the powerup stuff.
Mar 01 21:54:16 <mwester> Someone posted some hacks that edited the binary to fix it, but I would do what alphaone suggests, rather.
Mar 01 21:55:03 <ScaredyCat> emdete: is that link to you ok ?
Mar 01 21:57:56 <emdete> i am just testing if a symlink works in sysfs - for now i get for `ln -s /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0 /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gps.0` ln: /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gps.0: No such file or directory - whatever that means. did i something wring
Mar 01 21:58:00 <emdete> >
Mar 01 21:58:03 <emdete> ?
Mar 01 21:58:13 <ScaredyCat> ok, so it's not my build - somone broke some stuff .. I get a mouse pointer and a broken, but visible panel bar
Mar 01 22:10:37 <emdete> mwester: as symlinks dont work i look for an hex-editor for linux... hm
Mar 01 22:12:26 <mwester> sed will work, just not the one from busybox.
Mar 01 22:20:57 <mwester> emdete: looks like that was mentioned on this channel on Feb 22 @ about 03:00
Mar 01 22:21:28 <emdete> :/
Mar 01 22:22:01 <jjsm586> hello???
Mar 01 22:22:20 <emdete> without a proper package installed with the rootfs everything sux with gllin...
Mar 01 22:22:25 <mwester> emdete:  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gllin
Mar 01 22:22:27 <mwester> :)
Mar 01 22:24:39 <jjsm586> can anyone help me try to make a call with my openmoko?
Mar 01 22:25:00 <s0u][ight> does the neo freerunner or the best one now support multitouch?
Mar 01 22:26:06 <mjr> no
Mar 01 22:26:25 <s0u][ight> will it support it in the future?
Mar 01 22:26:40 <mjr> no
Mar 01 22:26:51 <s0u][ight> why not?
Mar 01 22:27:11 <mjr> touchscreen hardware doesn't do it
Mar 01 22:27:25 <s0u][ight> :( would be nice like the iphone
Mar 01 22:27:56 <s0u][ight> does the wireless card support monitor mode and is it compatible with the aircrack-ng tools etc.
Mar 01 22:29:23 <mjr> IIRC no, future depending on Atheros adding support to the firmware
Mar 01 22:29:26 <CVirus> I'd love to see that impemented
Mar 01 22:29:32 <CVirus> damn
Mar 01 22:29:53 <s0u][ight> does it need firmware ?
Mar 01 22:30:08 <mwester> Why?  so you can break into wireless networks with your phone?  I fail to see the reason for such functionality as standard.
Mar 01 22:30:11 <mjr> umm, of course?
Mar 01 22:30:42 <s0u][ight> mwester ur right :D
Mar 01 22:31:15 <s0u][ight> but would be nice that i don't need to take my laptop to perform such an act ;D
Mar 01 22:31:35 <s0u][ight> kk now getting serious
Mar 01 22:32:00 <s0u][ight> how much is the freerunner gonna cost?
Mar 01 22:32:02 <mwester> Well when you grow up, you'll find you don't need such firmware and software anymore.
Mar 01 22:32:08 <mwester> :P
Mar 01 22:32:30 <s0u][ight> i still need firmware with my bcm4311 wireless card :(
Mar 01 22:32:51 <respawn> what if he is payed to do that :P ?
Mar 01 22:33:02 <mwester> Right.  I've heard that line before.
Mar 01 22:33:03 <respawn> to audit the security of a wireless network ?:)
Mar 01 22:33:27 <s0u][ight> respawn yes that's my job :D
Mar 01 22:33:39 <respawn> :p
Mar 01 22:33:39 <CVirus> [00:22] <mwester> Why?  so you can break into wireless networks with your phone?  I fail to see the reason for such functionality as standard.
Mar 01 22:33:46 <mjr> s0u][ight, I'll point out that not all devices require their firmware to be loaded every startup
Mar 01 22:33:47 <mwester> "But Officer, really, I'm not a common thief - I was paid to see how tightly that lady could hang on to her purse!
Mar 01 22:33:48 <mwester> "
Mar 01 22:33:56 <s0u][ight> i know
Mar 01 22:34:18 <CVirus> mwester: no but I was trying to prove to my faculty's dean that our IT department sux and show him the amount of passwords that I was able to collect
Mar 01 22:34:30 <mjr> ok, just that that would've been a more understandable confusion than "does it need firmware?"
Mar 01 22:34:59 <s0u][ight> wep secured networks are boring to hack
Mar 01 22:35:12 <s0u][ight> i only need like 10 in general
Mar 01 22:35:19 <s0u][ight> 10 minutes
Mar 01 22:35:29 <s0u][ight> wpa is tough
Mar 01 22:35:39 <mwester> Stealing little kids lunch money is still a crime, no matter how boring it might be, s0u][ight.
Mar 01 22:35:44 <s0u][ight> what xserver does the freerunner use?
Mar 01 22:35:49 <CVirus> just for the fun of it
Mar 01 22:36:05 <s0u][ight> mwester i don't abuse my cracked networks
Mar 01 22:36:18 <s0u][ight> only find out the key
Mar 01 22:36:23 <s0u][ight> that's all
Mar 01 22:36:38 <s0u][ight> ever read the hackers manifest?
Mar 01 22:36:38 <mwester> s0u][ight:  I *do* abuse the kids I catch trying to break into my property, regardless of their intentions. ;)
Mar 01 22:37:02 <mwester> Common criminals need a manifesto now?
Mar 01 22:37:21 <s0u][ight> never heard of the mentor?
Mar 01 22:37:51 <mwester> You'll need to provide rather more context, those words are rather common.  I know of many mentors.
Mar 01 22:38:10 <s0u][ight> sec.
Mar 01 22:38:45 <CVirus> bed time
Mar 01 22:38:58 <s0u][ight> can't find a complete one :|
Mar 01 22:39:02 <mwester> Well, if it's some long rambling justification for why it's ok for people to break into networks, crack passwords, or do other illegal things, I'm not buying it - I don't even need to see it.
Mar 01 22:39:19 <mwester> I've heard it all before.  And actually, when I was a teenager, I believed some of it myself.
Mar 01 22:39:38 <s0u][ight> shnix.no-ip.org
Mar 01 22:39:52 <s0u][ight> a complete one
Mar 01 22:40:04 <s0u][ight> e exist without skin color, without nationality, without religious bias... and you call us criminals. 
Mar 01 22:40:04 <mwester> Anyway, arround here, it's called "theft of service" and it's criminal, no matter your intent.
Mar 01 22:40:09 <CVirus> I don't see how is it "wrong" to crack a network just to prove that it needs more attention when it comes to its security
Mar 01 22:40:20 <CVirus> without any damage done though
Mar 01 22:40:27 <CVirus> that's what I'm trying to do at my university
Mar 01 22:40:28 <s0u][ight> well what's the difference between a soldier and a terrorist
Mar 01 22:40:31 <s0u][ight> both kill
Mar 01 22:40:46 <respawn> CVirus I already did and now they gave me the root user :p
Mar 01 22:40:48 <CVirus> our admins don't use ssl and so the passwords fly all over the place
Mar 01 22:41:00 <CVirus> respawn: :-)
Mar 01 22:41:14 <mwester> CVirus:  by analogy -- suppose you were trying to pick the locks on the university to test security.  What do you think would happen if you were caught?
Mar 01 22:41:41 <s0u][ight> My crime is that of curiosity.
Mar 01 22:41:49 <CVirus> I understand the consequences
Mar 01 22:42:15 <mwester> s0u][ight:  No, that is a reason, not the crime.
Mar 01 22:42:22 <s0u][ight> so noone tryed to perform a hack with the neo bling
Mar 01 22:42:45 <s0u][ight> mwester just read the whole text u'll understand it bether :P
Mar 01 22:43:23 <mwester> Anyway, I sincerely hope you get caught by the authorities rather than someone like me when you do get caught.  Good luck!
Mar 01 22:43:52 <CVirus> I'm glad the the authorities here in Egypt have no idea what we are talking about
Mar 01 22:43:54 <s0u][ight> i performed an attack in a police bureau :D
Mar 01 22:44:14 <s0u][ight> CVirus did they fix that internet issue in egypt?
Mar 01 22:44:18 <CVirus> yeah
Mar 01 22:44:23 <CVirus> s0u][ight: full speed now :-)
Mar 01 22:44:33 <s0u][ight> nice
Mar 01 22:45:01 <s0u][ight> got some friends in egypt who said it was broke
Mar 01 22:46:01 <s0u][ight> my question isn't answered :(
Mar 01 22:46:04 <CVirus> anyways ... it's bed time .. night all
Mar 01 22:46:10 <s0u][ight> cyaa
Mar 01 22:46:21 <s0u][ight> what xserver does the neo phone use?
Mar 01 22:46:27 <s0u][ight> as standard?
Mar 01 22:46:37 <mjr> kdrive
Mar 01 22:46:49 <s0u][ight> kind of kde?
Mar 01 22:46:58 <mjr> dunno if that'll change for the freerunner, what with its gpu and acceleration drivers
Mar 01 22:47:01 <mjr> no
Mar 01 22:47:04 <mjr> jo
Mar 01 22:47:13 <mjr> it's what you asked about, an x server
Mar 01 22:47:23 <mjr> a relatively light one
Mar 01 22:47:41 <s0u][ight> saw some screenlets so i was confused
Mar 01 22:51:47 <s0u][ight> compiz on that tiny little thing XD
Mar 01 22:51:57 <s0u][ight> so it is going to support 3D?
Mar 01 22:52:55 <mjr> the gpu has some 3d acceleration features, probably not drivers for that part for quite a while though
Mar 01 22:53:18 <mjr> (Also it has a limitation of 512x512 rendering buffers, which would have to be worked around in software, no small task that either)
Mar 01 22:55:34 <CIA-16> freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r87 10/trunk/software/ (15 files in 4 dirs): varios fixes for moko underground image
Mar 02 03:22:19 <rtm_> Not that this matters, but I notice that gzip runs once every minute or do on my neo1973 (I see it on top).   Does anyone know why gzip runs periodically?
Mar 02 03:23:22 <mwester> Did you install the gllin driver for the GPS?
Mar 02 03:23:29 <rtm_> Yes.
Mar 02 03:23:45 <mwester> That's probably it then.
Mar 02 03:24:03 <rtm_> Wht's being compressed?
Mar 02 03:24:19 <SpeedEvil> the gps datastream?
Mar 02 03:24:27 <mjr> the default script gzips nmea to /root
Mar 02 03:24:32 <mwester> The output from the gllin driver needs to be "consumed" or it exits.
Mar 02 03:24:34 <mjr> /home/root
Mar 02 03:25:52 <rtm_> Oh, so it's compressing the log while shows up in /home/root/log ?   I had problems with that - I had to re-direct it to the RAM area, or else if completely filled my flash with log files.
Mar 02 03:26:11 <rtm_> Thanks for the info.
Mar 02 05:56:06 * CM starts a complete rebuild
Mar 02 05:56:58 <CM> Wtf.. Is monotone.openmoko.org down?
Mar 02 06:17:29 * CM has bitbake problems..
Mar 02 07:51:33 <Hopscotch> good morning
Mar 02 07:53:02 <CM> Morning :)
Mar 02 08:14:08 <wurp2> ScaredyCat: I updated to the 2/28 image and kernel, and now I get the same behavior when my neo wakes from suspend as you were
Mar 02 08:27:53 <Stephmw> good morning
Mar 02 08:34:24 <ScaredyCat> mornin
Mar 02 08:34:43 <ScaredyCat> ok, so not just a ScaredyCat issue then wurp2 :)
Mar 02 09:03:59 <CM> Anyone with some bitbake knowledge awake? http://pastie.caboo.se/160028
Mar 02 09:05:38 <CM> I'm on python 2.5.1
Mar 02 09:31:32 <ScaredyCat> have you tried the bitbake yourself?
Mar 02 09:33:08 <ScaredyCat> "ERROR: no files to build." certainly doens't look right for a start
Mar 02 09:34:03 <ScaredyCat> and your status line is basically saying you have no bb files at all
Mar 02 09:40:10 <PBeck> hi
Mar 02 09:52:48 <ScaredyCat> the toolchain build is broken anyway CM
Mar 02 09:52:53 <ScaredyCat> lo PBeck
Mar 02 09:54:40 <PBeck_> hi ScaredyCat :)
Mar 02 10:26:03 <CM> ScaredyCat: Ok, thanks. I'll try again to do the basic setup
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