**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 02 10:59:57 2008 Mar 02 12:41:40 FUD: http://www.t2-project.org/targets/neo1973/ <- "the properitary, OE-only, bitbake" Mar 02 12:47:43 wtf is T2 ? Mar 02 12:47:57 and if bitbake is propriatory - isn't 't2' ? Mar 02 12:48:00 twats Mar 02 12:49:55 * ScaredyCat feels a blog entry comming along Mar 02 12:50:41 ScaredyCat: Don't you remember when that t2 guy was in here whining and being an ass? Mar 02 12:51:03 no, I probably erased the memory Mar 02 12:51:05 And a propriatory bitbake? It's on berlios.. Mar 02 12:51:19 He wasn't exactly polite Mar 02 12:51:57 * CM is preparing a presentation of oe and om for work :) Mar 02 14:04:22 openmoko: 03werner * r4144 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta01-pcf50606.patch: Mar 02 14:04:22 openmoko: gta01-pcf50606.patch: Mar 02 14:04:22 openmoko: - drivers/i2c/chips/pcf50606.c (pcf50606_detect): create a sysfs symlink from Mar 02 14:04:22 openmoko: gta01-pm-gps.0 to neo1973-pm-gps.0, for gllin compatibility Mar 02 14:12:54 Hi all, I can't build openmoko-devel-image. This is the error: http://rafb.net/p/GhHGE575.html+ Mar 02 15:58:00 g'mornin' Mar 02 16:04:20 mornin Mar 02 16:05:30 hello! Mar 02 16:06:05 i am a bit confused about the state of accelerometers in openmoko.. Mar 02 16:06:23 will there be one? Mar 02 16:06:37 how precise is it going to be? Mar 02 16:07:20 1) openmoko is software 2) freerunner will have two accelerometers, don't expect to inertially navigate with them Mar 02 16:17:16 would the freerunner accelerometers suffice to operate a 3d pong pedal? Mar 02 16:18:20 Dunno, sorry. SpeedEvil might have had some idea of what to expect from them. As might internal developers with access to testing hardware, 'course... Mar 02 16:18:34 Wonko_: they can tell down pretty well Mar 02 16:18:44 Wonko_: what do you expect from a 3D pong pedal? Mar 02 16:19:21 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer Mar 02 16:21:07 Basically what i was thinking about is this: Mar 02 16:21:58 You hold the phone first in the lower left corner tip the screen then in the upper right corner and touch the screen again Mar 02 16:22:15 with this you would get the dimensions of the playing field Mar 02 16:22:42 sounds like wanting inertial navigation :] Mar 02 16:22:46 You mean you want position of the phone - not acceleration? Mar 02 16:22:52 In which case, absolutely not. Mar 02 16:23:08 now, when you move the phone in this area, a pedal would move to "precisely" the location on the playing field... Mar 02 16:23:11 not possible? Mar 02 16:23:30 The acellerometers in the neo have on the order of 10cm/s^2 error Mar 02 16:23:45 so after 5s - 50cm/s and 2.5m error Mar 02 16:23:54 hehe :) Mar 02 16:24:01 that would not work Mar 02 16:24:26 Best in class ones are of the order of ten times better than that - but that's still 25cm error after 5s Mar 02 16:24:53 how about precision in tilting? Mar 02 16:25:12 will it be able to precisely tell at what angle the sensor is to the gravity axis? Mar 02 16:28:34 ok, it's there on the page Mar 02 16:29:21 as far as i understand you are able to tell if the screen has been rotated 90 degrees for example Mar 02 16:31:13 but "It will probably not be good enough for keeping a map aligned when you turn in place." Mar 02 16:36:52 It can tell the direction of the gravity axis Mar 02 16:37:21 turning in place is an example of telling the rotation around the gravity axis - which it can't do. Mar 02 16:38:02 (in principle, with arbitrarily sensitive accelerometers, it can, in practice with these ones, not at all. Mar 02 16:38:19 mhmm Mar 02 16:38:28 ok thanks for the info Mar 02 16:39:15 i'd love to write a game for the openmoko/freerunner for my batchelor thesis... Mar 02 16:39:47 i thought the pong idea would be great, now i have to find something different that has a good chance of being accepted :/ Mar 02 16:42:52 first step in writing a bachelor thesis: knowing how to spell bachelor :-P Mar 02 16:43:24 hehehe ^^ Mar 02 16:44:09 phew, i have an excuse there: this is not my mother tongue ;) Mar 02 17:12:09 hm Mar 02 18:41:50 hi guys Mar 02 18:49:41 s0u][ight: yo Mar 02 18:50:04 hey good to see you again :D Mar 02 18:50:43 is it possible to run openmoko on the iphone? Mar 02 18:52:54 sure, if you hack the iphone, reverse engineer the hardware and write linux drivers for it Mar 02 18:53:23 like the broadcom drivers? Mar 02 18:53:26 naah Mar 02 18:53:46 _or_ Mar 02 18:53:53 convince apple to make the port ;] Mar 02 18:54:08 in fact your right Mar 02 18:54:20 u"ll never know Mar 02 18:55:26 did someone had contact with apple before about this? Mar 02 18:55:49 doubtful, since we do know Mar 02 18:56:12 their whole corporate culture is against openness Mar 02 18:56:41 it is possible to run linux on their pc's Mar 02 18:56:48 so why not on there phones Mar 02 18:57:17 I'm too fluish to whack more clue into you Mar 02 18:58:38 or they could make their own linux driver Mar 02 18:58:42 drivers Mar 02 21:30:38 Bah.. Rebuilt from scratch and still failing on pth Mar 02 21:32:56 ScaredyCat: Hehe.. Great blogpost! :D Mar 02 21:42:52 does anyone know which colors freerunner will ship in? :P Mar 02 21:43:23 "You can have it in any color you like as long as it's ..." ;) Mar 02 21:43:28 ;) Mar 02 21:49:15 probably same as before + all black Mar 02 21:49:44 * SpeedEvil wants octarine. Mar 02 21:58:31 * mwester suspects octarine might be rather dangerous. Mar 02 22:06:57 hi Mar 02 22:09:17 hello Mar 02 22:11:55 hello Mar 02 22:12:08 hi Mar 02 22:12:26 where can i find the sourcecode of the multimedia application of openmoko? Mar 02 22:16:41 white_gecko: Check out http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokomakefile Mar 02 22:19:15 but then i have the whole openmoko Mar 02 22:19:36 i only want the multimedia app to ru it on my desktop Mar 02 22:19:37 It's only a few terabytes. Mar 02 22:27:54 hm Mar 02 22:30:20 Btw, is it possible to compile and run OpenMoko on PC? Mar 02 22:30:28 Just to play with the UI. Mar 02 22:30:53 qemu!! Mar 02 22:31:14 zash: I bet that it cannot emulate the phone's gadgets :/ Mar 02 22:31:17 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r88 10/trunk/software/pyneog/ (80pyneog Xsession.d.pyneog): pyneog: rename Xsession script Mar 02 22:31:35 ... and compiling stuff from source, the arch shouldn't matter. Mar 02 22:33:30 but wher can i get a several programm of openmoko? Mar 02 22:33:34 wer are the sources? Mar 02 22:34:01 svn.openmoko.org; with some stuff at svn.o-hand.com Mar 02 22:44:32 ok i have it: http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/ Mar 02 22:44:35 thanks Mar 02 23:18:49 where do i find out where 850/900mhz is used in my area? Mar 02 23:19:31 where=if? Mar 02 23:20:04 gn folks Mar 02 23:31:43 are there any up to date UI screenshots? Mar 02 23:32:35 scap.linuxtogo.org? Mar 02 23:34:26 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ Mar 02 23:34:49 gah Mar 02 23:35:08 fucking tele2ass Mar 02 23:35:21 are there any templates? Mar 02 23:35:42 i've done a fair amount of interactive design on small screens, am curious to play with it :) Mar 02 23:38:45 templates? Mar 02 23:39:00 the PSDs of their current UI Mar 03 01:59:24 someone with english skills here? Mar 03 01:59:31 "In other words, our abnormal preoccupation with BS" Mar 03 01:59:35 what does BS mean there? Mar 03 02:01:49 borg_, it could be "Bullshit" Mar 03 02:02:03 ah Mar 03 02:02:05 makes sense Mar 03 02:02:07 thanks :) Mar 03 07:31:09 moin Mar 03 07:31:54 Pion Mar 03 08:02:17 openmoko: 03tick * r4145 10/developers/tick/Test_env_script_GTA02A5/ (7 files): Adding some script for personal testing Mar 03 08:03:52 openmoko: 03tick * r4146 10/developers/tick/Test_env_script_GTA02A5/setupenv: adding "without any warranty but with best wishes" Mar 03 08:11:12 morning Mar 03 08:12:22 someone can explain me one little thing? are about loading with a JTAG the U-boot into memory in OpenMoko Mar 03 08:16:55 good morning Mar 03 08:17:09 morning Mar 03 08:17:42 morning Mar 03 08:26:12 borg_: I reckon it's "Bonsai Squirrels" Mar 03 08:27:10 : Do u have ide of the device mmeory map? Mar 03 08:27:17 ups!! sorry, memory map Mar 03 08:27:35 i was reading the wiki about loading u-boot into RAM Mar 03 08:27:58 oh man... Mar 03 08:28:00 and i saw some memory address Mar 03 08:28:06 I tried that once... Mar 03 08:28:09 ouch Mar 03 08:28:16 i'd like to understand this memoy addresses :D Mar 03 08:28:52 you'll probably need to speak to mickey|zzZZzz then Mar 03 08:29:03 k Mar 03 08:29:08 qhen he wake up :D Mar 03 08:29:10 thanks Mar 03 08:29:24 i'll readed your posts in plante.openmoko Mar 03 08:29:26 nice work :D Mar 03 08:29:41 yeah, he's really really lazy and never does any coding or anything ;) Mar 03 08:29:44 * ScaredyCat hides Mar 03 08:30:38 thanks Mar 03 08:33:29 ScaredyCat: so, when can we buy a freerunner? Mar 03 08:33:31 * doc|home runs! Mar 03 08:33:50 * doc|home expects a "when it's finished" answer :) Mar 03 08:33:58 tomorrow... Mar 03 08:34:06 * ScaredyCat lies a lot Mar 03 08:34:31 * raster rubs his freerunner Mar 03 08:34:43 ooooerrrr missus Mar 03 08:35:22 * ScaredyCat wonders why raster has named his penis Mar 03 08:35:38 ewwwww Mar 03 08:35:42 you sick little pussy Mar 03 08:35:44 :) Mar 03 08:36:17 :D Mar 03 08:36:32 hehehe Mar 03 08:36:47 * doc|home wants (a non-penis freerunner) Mar 03 08:38:54 yeah, but with the penis version, the screen gets bigger when you rub it Mar 03 08:39:09 yeah, but sometimes its battery leaks and then it just stops working Mar 03 08:39:13 openmoko channel gets sex channel Mar 03 08:39:20 are we done with this analogy now? :o Mar 03 08:39:31 * doc|home hopes so Mar 03 08:40:19 yes Mar 03 08:40:25 phew! Mar 03 08:40:49 * doc|home zZzZz Mar 03 08:42:32 sick sick puppies and pussies Mar 03 08:42:34 :) Mar 03 08:42:59 hottie morning in the channel!! Mar 03 08:43:07 :) Mar 03 09:09:41 raster, http://illume.projects.openmoko.org/ <= !! Mar 03 09:10:02 I'm defineatly going to drop all of gtk if I get a efl browser into my hands Mar 03 09:10:10 efl on the neo is the best! Mar 03 09:10:15 thanks raster !! Mar 03 09:10:23 browser eh Mar 03 09:10:26 not working on that Mar 03 09:10:35 for now just what it says there Mar 03 09:10:39 its just the desktop bit Mar 03 09:10:41 not apps Mar 03 09:10:46 raster, i know but k-s told me that the indt guys are working on webkit+efl Mar 03 09:10:54 yes - they are Mar 03 09:10:57 is anyone familiar with the DFU-Util? Mar 03 09:11:01 i'll check it out in a few weeks @ bossa Mar 03 09:11:08 wohoo Mar 03 09:20:11 markun: define familiar Mar 03 09:26:11 raste is a lucky guy Mar 03 09:26:21 it's going to bossa!! i'm jealous :D Mar 03 09:28:06 who's not?? Mar 03 09:28:57 hrw: I was wondering if the "Dfu-util is currently broken on big-endian architectures" applied to the device or to the computer, but I figured it must be the computer. Mar 03 09:30:25 hrw: I'm planing to port rockbox (a open source firmware for mp3 players) to a player called Meizu M6 which has DFU as a recovery mode. I looked for open source tools and found DFU-Util. Mar 03 09:35:06 markun: dfu-util on big-endian host Mar 03 09:35:51 markun: but is it still broken I do not know Mar 03 10:04:37 raster, is illume supposed to be crosscompiled on the desktop? if i compile on openmoko I get: Mar 03 10:04:37 ./configure: ./configure.lineno: 21635: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")") Mar 03 10:06:36 josch: works for me (tm) Mar 03 10:06:45 josch: and i'm using OM/OE to build it Mar 03 10:06:52 admittedly i cooked up my own .bb files Mar 03 10:06:56 raster, do you supply a bb for it? Mar 03 10:06:57 along with re rest of e/efl Mar 03 10:07:02 nup i dont Mar 03 10:07:08 i have my own private ones Mar 03 10:07:27 these bguild directly from my src tree - they dont need src tarballs or cvs checkouts etc. Mar 03 10:08:02 I suppose I have to build my own bb then Mar 03 10:08:21 i can put them in svn if u want them Mar 03 10:08:25 u'll have to customis them Mar 03 10:08:29 customise them Mar 03 10:08:57 i.e they have paths like: Mar 03 10:09:00 SRC_URI = "file://${HOME}/work/illume" Mar 03 10:09:09 raster, of course I want to try it out ^^ Mar 03 10:10:48 raster, we at #neo1973-germany (the openmoko underground guys) are eager to get more efl on our neos :-D Mar 03 10:10:56 sure Mar 03 10:10:59 ummm.. Mar 03 10:11:01 give me a bit Mar 03 10:11:04 np Mar 03 10:11:06 just a sec Mar 03 10:11:09 :-) Mar 03 10:11:15 i am actually just building ipk's for all of it Mar 03 10:11:24 ah! great! Mar 03 10:11:44 i want to upload and test something. Mar 03 10:11:50 then i'll put my bb's up Mar 03 10:11:55 note Mar 03 10:12:02 i build all of efl and e from e development cvs Mar 03 10:12:28 not from snapshot tarballs or datestamp snapsif u want illume to work u will need to have your efl builds also workign directly from e cvs Mar 03 10:12:36 okay Mar 03 10:12:38 my .bb files do just that Mar 03 10:12:46 they build directly from my working cvs tree Mar 03 10:12:53 so my .bb's have no version # Mar 03 10:13:05 they are "whatever was in my src tree when i built them" Mar 03 10:13:13 is the fastest way to actually do development :) Mar 03 10:13:41 raster, i've been promoted. Mar 03 10:13:47 since we all have our e17_cvs checkout I suppose this is no problem ^^ Mar 03 10:17:01 xcasex: to what? :) Mar 03 10:17:06 josch: excellent. Mar 03 10:17:32 raster, system architect. java ;_; Mar 03 10:18:01 ewww Mar 03 10:18:02 java :( Mar 03 10:18:08 java :( Mar 03 10:18:13 java :( Mar 03 10:18:14 raster, :( Mar 03 10:18:16 C is the true :) Mar 03 10:18:20 xcasex: my sympathies :( Mar 03 10:18:28 raster, tyvm Mar 03 10:18:40 xcasex: plus points for the systems architect, minus for the java :( Mar 03 10:19:53 i've started with Java Mar 03 10:20:18 for me it's the young brother of C++ :) Mar 03 10:23:57 good morning Mar 03 10:24:49 oh crud Mar 03 10:24:56 that packaging problem again Mar 03 10:25:00 grrrrr Mar 03 10:25:32 raster how u started with .bb? Mar 03 10:25:58 i'm reading about it but it's a long dependencies system Mar 03 10:27:08 ummmm Mar 03 10:27:15 i juwt stole existing ones and hacked em up Mar 03 10:27:22 grrrr Mar 03 10:27:23 segv Mar 03 10:27:38 uff!! you're really bussy today :) Mar 03 10:28:14 well i just wrote this code Mar 03 10:28:32 but i havent been able to run it as i need a 2.6.24 kernel with the new battery sys power class stuff Mar 03 10:28:37 and my desktops are all 2.6.22 Mar 03 10:28:47 my gta02 frerruuner tho is 2.6.24.... Mar 03 10:28:50 update your desktop kernel Mar 03 10:28:55 i was adding full battery support for that Mar 03 10:28:59 but it seems i screwed up Mar 03 10:29:00 boo Mar 03 10:29:05 bah Mar 03 10:29:05 hehehe Mar 03 10:29:08 thats too much pain Mar 03 10:29:31 found it Mar 03 10:29:32 ... Mar 03 10:29:33 i think Mar 03 10:29:34 :) Mar 03 10:29:37 :) Mar 03 10:29:44 kernel means a reboot Mar 03 10:29:51 silliness on myh part with the uevent fd handler Mar 03 10:29:55 havent rebooted since the last kernel :P Mar 03 10:29:57 another one that doesn't like reboots Mar 03 10:29:58 forgot to pass in sysev as i intended Mar 03 10:29:59 :) Mar 03 10:37:46 hrw: from the commit logs I gather that it should be working on big-endian hosts again, but I don't have such a machine to test on anyway. Mar 03 10:39:39 neither do I Mar 03 10:58:03 openmoko: 03chris * r4147 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-sms.c): Mar 03 10:58:03 openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-sms.c: (on_incoming_sms): Mar 03 10:58:03 openmoko: Move g_utf16_to_utf8 outside of the for loop - error inserted by Mar 03 10:58:03 openmoko: myself while integrating previous patch **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 03 10:59:56 2008