**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 22 02:59:56 2008 Mar 22 03:00:36 Gack! My neo rings! Mar 22 03:00:50 Has three new SMS messages... Mar 22 03:01:02 And registered with the network... Mar 22 03:01:18 OMG. Mar 22 03:02:33 * madwoota wonders if mwester picked up his iPhone by mistake Mar 22 03:07:24 touche Mar 22 04:14:12 are they expecting pre-alpha software on release? (per chan topic) Mar 22 06:33:00 * * OM Bug 1290 has been created by tick(AT)openmoko.com Mar 22 06:33:03 * * Wrong package status of packagekit. Mar 22 06:33:05 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1290 Mar 22 07:33:19 Is the neo2973 backlit by LEDs? Mar 22 07:33:54 yes Mar 22 07:33:58 1973 Mar 22 07:34:06 Thanks! Mar 22 07:34:19 all phones now are Mar 22 07:34:39 I didn't know that. But it certainly makes sense. Mar 22 07:34:47 it was only the very earlies colour small LCDs that used fluorescnt tubes Mar 22 07:34:53 as white LEDs diddn't exist Mar 22 07:35:23 interesting Mar 22 07:35:41 is this new just for moko or the whole industry is doing it now? Mar 22 07:35:49 SO they should not fade in brightness as quickly as laptop backlights do, right? Mar 22 07:35:53 it's 100% in all mobile phones Mar 22 07:36:01 maybe not quite that in laptops Mar 22 07:36:05 how recent is this? Mar 22 07:36:37 mobile phones - 4-5 years? I'm unsure that any colour phones actually used backlight tubes Mar 22 07:36:47 aha Mar 22 07:36:49 danke Mar 22 07:36:55 It's much newer in laptops. Mar 22 07:36:56 Laptops a bit more recent. Mar 22 07:37:00 Many laptops don't use LEDs. Mar 22 07:37:22 iirc, first Apple laptops with LEDs were within the last year. Mar 22 07:37:33 And many still don't Mar 22 07:37:40 *nod* Mar 22 07:37:46 the LEDs for the backlight still cost maybe $15 or so? Mar 22 07:38:03 tubes are cheaper, and easier to work with optically Mar 22 07:38:24 But they fade more quickly than LEDs, don't they? Mar 22 07:39:08 Well... Mar 22 07:39:11 Not really Mar 22 07:39:31 How quickly do LEDs fade? Mar 22 07:39:33 If properly specced and driven, they will not fade appreciably in 10000 hours Mar 22 07:39:54 Again, that's a hard question. Cheap LEDs or ones designed for short life - 1-10h Mar 22 07:40:22 REaasonbable ones can have specs as 75% lumen maintainance at 75000 hours Mar 22 07:41:20 dealing with the heat is a big problem with LEDs Mar 22 07:41:34 if they get to 70C or so, their life tends to plummet Mar 22 07:41:57 power LEDs Mar 22 07:42:18 I've always hoped the Freerunner would have a fan... Mar 22 07:42:44 i'm not sure that would fly on a phone Mar 22 07:43:01 If it spun fast enough it could. Mar 22 07:43:22 :) Mar 22 07:43:27 nite all Mar 22 07:45:51 Does anyone know if someone is working on porting a good RPN calculator, preferably an emulated HP, to the openmoko platform? Mar 22 07:46:43 You have dc :) Mar 22 07:47:04 or xcalc -rpn Mar 22 07:47:18 In this mode the calculator will look and behave like an Mar 22 07:47:19 HP-10C. Mar 22 07:48:13 Thanks, I'll look at that. There's an excellent HP emulator for Treos (free!), and I love it. Mar 22 07:49:00 but that's probably not very good - I don't know Mar 22 07:49:26 And it's certainly not pretty Mar 22 07:51:46 You're right! Mar 22 10:08:47 I love my new Zune. Mar 22 10:09:01 hehe Mar 22 10:09:09 It works so beautifully with Vista, which is insanely great. Mar 22 10:09:22 Steve_Jobs: Mar 22 10:09:32 you so crazy Mar 22 10:10:20 If only my Zune ran BeOS, then I would be in heaven. Mar 22 10:10:51 Playing PS3 games would be a nice touch too. Mar 22 10:12:41 morning is anybody know how to solve "qemu: fatal: Trying to execute code outside RAM or ROM at 0x00000000" when i'm trying to flash qemu-local? Mar 22 10:12:42 torpor: ping Mar 22 10:16:17 i'm using Debian sid on x86x32 if it's matter Mar 22 10:16:53 Any_Key: Android should help with that. Mar 22 10:18:13 Steve_Jobs, speaking politely go find yourself something to do. Mar 22 10:21:50 Like ordering a tab? Mar 22 10:52:09 pH5: you know everything, do you know how i can fix this: http://pastebin.no/3522 Mar 22 10:53:24 goxboxlive: mtn pull && mtn update, I fixed this yesterday Mar 22 10:53:51 http://amethyst.openembedded.net/oe/viewmtn/viewmtn.py/revision/info/f1f02c875914c0bfe542289381d12559c4843ff7 Mar 22 10:54:02 pH5: hmm, i did a pull today. I'll do it again (YFI i am building with Angstrom,not openmoko distro) Mar 22 10:54:41 goxboxlive: right, it's my fault Mar 22 10:54:49 I forgot to bump the glib-2.0 revision Mar 22 10:55:02 :-) Mar 22 10:55:13 wait a minute, I'll do that now Mar 22 10:55:19 thx pH5 Mar 22 11:10:37 hi all Mar 22 11:10:48 (been a while since I've been here...) Mar 22 11:12:59 lo Mar 22 11:13:19 almost exactly a month now since the last community update :( Mar 22 11:14:12 any more info on the GSoC projects, apart from the info on the wiki? Mar 22 11:22:46 what kind of info are you missing on the wiki? Mar 22 11:23:13 a "we're all still alive" would be nice Mar 22 11:23:59 balrog-kun: not specifically missing something... just want to know if I've got something to read up to Mar 22 11:49:47 is anybody have issue with make flash-qemu like this? http://pastebin.com/m55e0ddaa Mar 22 12:20:49 Any_Key: yes, it's the u-boot bug Mar 22 12:21:00 Any_Key: it's been discussed on the list Mar 22 12:25:12 balrog-kun, lets see Mar 22 12:27:23 ugh, can anyone confirm that neo1973 and the usb rndis driver doesn't work with Windows Vista? Mar 22 12:29:12 confirmed according to bugzilla Mar 22 12:29:37 doh, forgot bugzilla Mar 22 12:29:57 Actually, the new 2.6.24 kernel doesn't work with rndis on *any* windows, according to that bug report. Mar 22 12:30:04 :( Mar 22 12:30:23 That's a regression... yuck. Mar 22 12:36:45 and like in the bugzilla. reinstalling the device doesn't fix anything Mar 22 13:01:27 ScaredyCat: pong Mar 22 13:13:20 balrog-kun, your patch in revision 4230, tell me please where and what to change to pull this revision, and build it. Mar 22 13:17:19 Any_Key: i have no idea, i don't use oe Mar 22 13:18:44 balrog-kun, git eh? OK thanks? at least I know where the poblem is Mar 22 13:18:58 s/poblem/problem/ Mar 22 13:18:59 Any_Key meant: balrog-kun, git eh? OK thanks? at least I know where the problem is Mar 22 13:30:55 * CM wonders why he's the only one who can't get pth to compile Mar 22 13:31:18 hallo Mar 22 14:12:01 torpor: how did your demo go? Mar 22 14:42:02 in gtk terms, what's the dotted line called (in buttons that have focus for example) Mar 22 14:55:00 my guess would be just "focus" Mar 22 15:27:18 hrmm Mar 22 15:41:24 woo - it's snowing :p Mar 22 15:44:25 hi all, how will gta02 look like? Mar 22 15:44:37 l3010u: nice ;) Mar 22 15:44:48 like the gta01 Mar 22 15:45:23 even for the mass production? Mar 22 15:45:29 of course Mar 22 15:45:38 unless you mean the gui? Mar 22 15:45:49 i mean the outlook :p Mar 22 15:45:58 lol Mar 22 15:46:14 then it'll be the same, but the specs have been released, so you can make your own casing if you want Mar 22 15:46:17 so..wts the use of the CAD files? Mar 22 15:46:23 see above Mar 22 15:46:38 i see Mar 22 15:50:08 Is there the schematic diagram of freerunner available somewhere? Mar 22 15:50:37 there - Mar 22 15:53:05 where can i find info abt the CNC machines? or will FIC provide that service? Mar 22 15:57:33 MetaMorfoziS: Nope and probably only under NDA for now as OM, Inc. is likely to be negotiating still Mar 22 15:58:41 :( Mar 22 15:58:48 due to gsm modules? Mar 22 16:12:57 MetaMorfoziS: No idea to be honest but that sounds like a likely culprit Mar 22 16:13:41 for me (and i think for a lot of other ppl) that also good if the schematic not ontains the gsm piece... Mar 22 16:14:03 for learning it will be a very cool stuff (even if it isn't contains the gsm module) Mar 22 16:21:33 I want to report another bug, if is there anybody from the wiki manager team... Mar 22 16:21:43 in ff3 the left side menu of the wiki is on the bottom of the page Mar 22 16:22:12 Here is a screenshot: http://webjegyzet.hu/p/ilyenff3.png Mar 22 16:34:34 :D neat Mar 22 16:36:22 MetaMorfoziS: Bug's already there Mar 22 16:37:13 http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1276 Mar 22 17:24:20 hi all, are there any would-be mentors for the GSoC here? Mar 22 17:40:15 what is this for a thema => http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=1 ? Mar 22 17:40:56 looks default-ish Mar 22 17:41:04 although i dunno about that face in the background Mar 22 17:41:49 anrp: perhaps its saves ressources ;) Mar 22 17:42:11 * anrp holds his neo up to his face and takes a screenshot Mar 22 17:42:43 isnt the face ScaredyCats? Mar 22 17:46:04 :) Mar 22 17:46:35 PBeck: I'm working on that theme atm.. Mar 22 17:51:10 ScaredyCat: nice :) Mar 22 17:51:26 ScaredyCat: is that theme faster then the standard? Mar 22 17:51:42 seems a lot faster.. Mar 22 17:51:54 ScaredyCat: can you make a video? :) Mar 22 17:52:05 * PBeck likes videos and pictures :) Mar 22 17:52:14 errm.. I guess I could... it's not complete yet thought Mar 22 17:52:17 -t Mar 22 17:52:23 * haakeyar wants a video too :) Mar 22 17:52:39 ScaredyCat: never mind :) Mar 22 17:53:17 or how i say this in englisch? => i have no preference? :) Mar 22 17:53:25 or never mind Mar 22 17:54:31 * ScaredyCat wonders off to find something to record it on.. Mar 22 17:55:16 * Fradeve è a spasso: Pero ora assente. Mar 22 18:22:06 ok, I hve a pretty poor video but it should give an idea of speed Mar 22 18:23:09 hi Mar 22 18:23:54 ScaredyCat: url? Mar 22 18:25:15 i was going thru GOSC'08 Mar 22 18:25:49 1 sec uploading Mar 22 18:27:09 r u saying it to me Mar 22 18:28:01 and the ideas for openmoko Mar 22 18:28:38 but they were no mentors alloted for an idea nor there was any contct address Mar 22 18:29:31 ankuj2004, just ping your ideas to the mailing lists Mar 22 18:34:09 that is what i was searching for past half and hour on the website but i did not find a single emailing address Mar 22 18:34:52 ankuj2004, you prolly missed this, http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/ Mar 22 18:35:07 ankuj2004, http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/ Mar 22 18:35:14 oops Mar 22 18:35:25 ~lart jamewill_ Mar 22 18:35:25 * apt installs PocketPC on jamewill_'s PDA Mar 22 18:35:59 arrgggg nooo... Mar 22 18:37:05 ankuj2004, try dropping mail to the devel-lists Mar 22 18:39:01 can someone help me out a littla Mar 22 18:40:15 thanx Mar 22 18:47:56 * ScaredyCat stabs firefox for being stupid Mar 22 18:53:53 ScaredyCat: Firefox didn't want to upload your video? Mar 22 18:54:36 it does that crap where it says the script is unresponsive, then it does it every 5 seconds Mar 22 19:00:38 curl! Mar 22 19:02:18 * haakeyar entered "javascript:while(true);" into Firefox and now he understands ScaredyCat's pains. Mar 22 19:10:32 ok, I'll do it slightly differently 3 mins.. Mar 22 19:12:54 Btw, Opera (9.50 weekly build at least) does not show those dialogs, if that helps. Mar 22 19:27:41 haakeyar: http://blog.automated.it/ Mar 22 19:30:57 hmmm, takes forever to boot, doesn't it? Mar 22 19:31:10 n800 is faster (admittedly has no gsm) Mar 22 19:31:28 hey look! ScaredyCat's head! Mar 22 19:32:02 you're lucky it's my head Mar 22 19:32:24 no, you're lucky it's your head, otherwise your house is haunted by a floating head! Mar 22 19:33:35 it'll be one from my head collection :) Mar 22 19:33:40 hehe Mar 22 19:34:38 do you have a n800? (I thought you did). If you do, is the neo1973 faster than it for browsing the web or how far along is the browser now? Mar 22 19:36:31 I only have a 770 Mar 22 19:36:38 not used it for ages though Mar 22 19:36:49 browser sucks on the neo Mar 22 19:37:11 damn Mar 22 19:37:18 browser sucks on the n800 too Mar 22 19:43:37 ScaredyCat, according to your video: it seems not much more responsive to me Mar 22 19:50:07 hrrrmm Mar 22 19:50:19 maybe I've been working on it too long :) Mar 22 19:50:26 screen draws seem better Mar 22 19:50:32 to me Mar 22 19:52:04 Hi Mar 22 19:57:02 ScaredyCat: Nice video :-) Mar 22 19:57:12 ScaredyCat: it certainly looks cleaner than the default theme Mar 22 19:58:59 what is the link for the video? Mar 22 19:59:15 Niluge_KiWi: http://blog.automated.it/ Mar 22 19:59:24 xaid: thanks Mar 22 19:59:30 Niluge_KiWi: you're welcome. Mar 22 20:00:08 ScaredyCat: that theme definately looks better, good job :) Mar 22 20:05:59 well, it's not all mine tbh Mar 22 20:06:11 just adding a note to the blog about that :) Mar 22 20:06:25 based on another one Mar 22 20:51:25 are the qtopia-x11-applications zecke is working on available somewhere (oe?)? Mar 22 20:59:48 Hi all. Mar 22 21:00:09 Hi Mar 22 21:00:39 Was wondering what this means: Mar 22 21:01:07 Please add the files Mar 22 21:01:08 codeset.m4 gettext.m4 glibc21.m4 iconv.m4 isc-posix.m4 lcmessage.m4 Mar 22 21:01:08 progtest.m4 Mar 22 21:01:08 from the /aclocal directory to your autoconf macro directory Mar 22 21:01:08 or directly to your aclocal.m4 file. Mar 22 21:02:08 hm, sorry I'm new here, I can't really help you Mar 22 21:03:30 I'm trying to build openmoko-sample2 after installing the toolchain Mar 22 21:04:01 peter_harrison: What command did you run? Mar 22 21:05:33 om-conf openmoko-sample2 Mar 22 21:06:20 peter_harisson: Have you installer all the required dependencies ? Mar 22 21:06:45 hmm - coming to think of it gettextsze might have failed. Mar 22 21:07:06 I had the same issue Mar 22 21:07:18 I followed the ubuntu instructions. Mar 22 21:07:44 I'm on Debian, and apt-get stop to install the package listed after the first problem detected Mar 22 21:08:27 Couldn't find package glib-gettextize Mar 22 21:08:31 So try this : sudo apt-get install ccache libxrender-dev Mar 22 21:09:15 I already have these installed. Mar 22 21:09:24 ok Mar 22 21:10:27 I searched something similar in name, to glib-gettextize Mar 22 21:11:05 and I found "gettext", so you can try to install this one instead Mar 22 21:12:05 I have this one instead of the glib-gettextize, and it worked for me Mar 22 21:17:51 I've looked up glib-gettextize and can't see it Mar 22 21:19:18 I don't find it either on my repositories Mar 22 21:22:37 Thanks for the help tho :) Mar 22 21:23:23 did you try with the package "gettext" ? Mar 22 21:32:20 Does it work? Mar 22 21:55:07 sorry - I looked for gettext and didn't find it - or there were hits, but I can't see which one really applies Mar 22 21:56:01 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7gp08CzYZQ Mar 22 21:56:16 ok, so I can't help you more... Mar 22 21:56:38 Thanks anyway - at least I know whats wrong now. Mar 22 21:58:51 And we know there is a problem with the tutorial Mar 22 21:59:06 hm - looks like gettext is already installed. Mar 22 22:00:02 I'm trying to get to the point I can compile some USB controller libraries so I can control my boat. Mar 22 22:00:39 Its kinda frustrating - I can use GPS to find position, GPRS for communication, but the one element - control - it much harder. Mar 22 22:01:01 I have it all working on my laptop - just need to get it working on the neo. Mar 22 22:01:22 gettext was also installed on my computer, and the project compiles fine... Mar 22 22:01:47 it is your video on youtube? Mar 22 22:02:02 Yep -see the link above. Mar 22 22:02:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7gp08CzYZQ Mar 22 22:02:36 I just saw the video Mar 22 22:03:32 Quite impressive! Mar 22 22:05:38 Niluge_KiWi: Have you managed to compile anything else? Mar 22 22:06:01 the example project compiles Mar 22 22:06:17 but I'm really new on OpenMoko Mar 22 22:06:37 Have you compiled anything except the example? Mar 22 22:06:45 no Mar 22 22:06:47 not yet Mar 22 22:07:03 Kiwi? are you in NZ? Mar 22 22:07:10 no Mar 22 22:07:20 I'm from France Mar 22 22:08:16 I'm thinking that the dependencies are okay. Mar 22 22:09:24 the only problem I had when I compiled the example, is that apt-get didn't installed the packages listed after the glib-gettextize which was not fond Mar 22 22:10:18 And I didn't saw it, but when I installed the other ones, everything worked Mar 22 22:11:40 Now I'll try to put the example compiled, on qemu... Mar 22 22:17:21 Anyone knows to who I should talk for the Google Summer of Code? Mar 22 22:18:04 Woot! The problem was the intltool. Mar 22 22:18:11 because yesterday edistar told me to speak to mickeyl, but he is inactive for more than 272hours... Mar 22 22:18:15 hehe Mar 22 22:18:19 so it works? Mar 22 22:18:26 Looks like it Mar 22 22:19:11 Well - that *command* has now worked. Mar 22 22:19:25 Now to see if it compiles Mar 22 22:27:53 Woot2! Mar 22 22:28:22 It compiles Mar 22 22:28:29 and runs on to neo Mar 22 22:28:36 hoho Mar 22 22:28:59 Now the hard part... Mar 22 22:29:12 So I'll have to read the doc in order to use it on qemu Mar 22 22:29:48 You don't have a neo? Mar 22 22:30:31 no Mar 22 22:31:05 As I said, I'm new on OpenMoko Mar 22 22:31:06 I got mine off ebay - couldn't stand waiting for the Freerunner Mar 22 22:31:14 hehe Mar 22 22:31:44 Will buy a freerunner when it comes out though. Mar 22 22:32:06 Oh, and what a sucky name - the "Neo" is far better. Mar 22 22:32:21 "Freerunner" is so literal. Mar 22 22:33:53 It's not the name, but the inside that matters! Mar 22 22:33:59 I( have modified the instructions on the Wiki to correct the package names. Mar 22 22:34:10 Yes; its a very cool device. Mar 22 22:34:29 I just love mine already - even if it is somewhat unfinished. Mar 22 22:35:29 What I've seen is nice yes. Mar 22 22:36:15 for the Wiki : I don't know if it's a good idea to have removed the glib-gettextize Mar 22 22:37:33 I don't see why not; the instructions are for Ubuntu 7.10, and thats what I have. Mar 22 22:38:08 Okay Mar 22 22:38:34 It was a red flag to me when it failed to install - and I would hate for people to try chasing down non-problems. Mar 22 22:39:23 I've been fixing several things on the Wiki. It has a history, so if I mess up we can go back. Mar 22 22:40:32 yes that's why wiki is usefull Mar 22 23:15:59 So close now - Mar 22 23:16:37 I tried to compile the phidget libraries by simply calling make once I had set up the toolchain and successfully compiled the example. Mar 22 23:17:09 All of the files seemed to have compiled to xxx.o files Mar 22 23:17:32 The last thing to do however is create a xxx.so file, and I get the following: Mar 22 23:18:03 gcc -g -shared -o libphidget21.so libusb/usb.o libusb/descriptors.o libusb/linux.o libusb/error.o cphidget.o cphidgetaccelerometer.o cphidgetadvancedservo.o cphidgetencoder.o cphidgetgps.o cphidgetgyroscope.o cphidgetinterfacekit.o cphidgetled.o cphidgetmotorcontrol.o cphidgetphsensor.o cphidgetrfid.o cphidgetservo.o cphidgetstepper.o cphidgettemperaturesensor.o cphidgettextlcd.o cphidgettextled.o cphidgetweightsensor.o cph Mar 22 23:18:03 /usr/bin/ld: libusb/usb.o: Relocations in generic ELF (EM: 40) Mar 22 23:18:03 libusb/usb.o: could not read symbols: File in wrong format Mar 22 23:18:03 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status Mar 22 23:18:05 make: *** [libphidget21.so] Error 1 Mar 22 23:18:15 hm Mar 22 23:18:41 I'm a Java / python developer, so I'm a bit out of my depth with gcc Mar 22 23:19:56 and I'm a student in IT, in first year, and I'll learn C only in a few month.. Mar 22 23:20:18 I'm hoping there are some others here a little more experienced. Mar 22 23:20:34 - not impuning yourself of course :) Mar 22 23:22:45 After a few minutes googling I can see that its probably the wrong architecture... Mar 22 23:23:07 aka, the xxx.o files are for arm, but the gcc line isn't specifying arm. Mar 22 23:23:33 the gcc line was generated by the stuff from openmoko? Mar 22 23:24:53 yes. Mar 22 23:26:59 hm.. bad thing Mar 22 23:31:48 root@peter-laptop:~/Phidgetlinux# om-conf phidget21/ Mar 22 23:31:48 Source directory: /root/Phidgetlinux/phidget21 Mar 22 23:31:48 Extra configure arguments: Mar 22 23:31:48 NOTE: nothing to configure Mar 22 23:32:09 running om-conf doesn't appear to do much. Mar 22 23:32:59 Compiling all the individual files looks okay, its just the last step of creating a xxx.so from them all. Mar 22 23:33:37 I'm a little bit lost in all this, because I tried qemu, and at the same time compiling an application, so all is mixed up Mar 22 23:33:57 peter_harrison: What architecture does the file utility give you for one of the object files? Mar 22 23:34:33 file utility? Mar 22 23:34:56 duh - just ing it Mar 22 23:35:26 Yeah - "file" :) Mar 22 23:35:36 cphidgetservo.o: ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped Mar 22 23:35:55 The build also tends to indicate its ARM. Mar 22 23:36:05 Sounds good indeed Mar 22 23:36:19 But there are no parameters to gcc when making to so file. Mar 22 23:36:32 no parameters specifying arm that is Mar 22 23:37:06 I'm read man gcc to see if I can manually do that last part. Mar 22 23:37:18 - specify the architecture on the command line. Mar 22 23:40:08 --march=armv5te (not sure which exactly) Mar 22 23:47:35 Tried this with right architecture value with no luck. Mar 22 23:48:11 Can you pastebin the output and error message you get when using the makefile? Mar 22 23:50:26 gcc -g -shared -o libphidget21.so libusb/usb.o libusb/descriptors.o libusb/linux.o libusb/error.o cphidget.o cphidgetaccelerometer.o cphidgetadvancedservo.o cphidgetencoder.o cphidgetgps.o cphidgetgyroscope.o cphidgetinterfacekit.o cphidgetled.o cphidgetmotorcontrol.o cphidgetphsensor.o cphidgetrfid.o cphidgetservo.o cphidgetstepper.o cphidgettemperaturesensor.o cphidgettextlcd.o cphidgettextled.o cphidgetweightsensor.o cph Mar 22 23:50:26 /usr/bin/ld: libusb/usb.o: Relocations in generic ELF (EM: 40) Mar 22 23:50:26 libusb/usb.o: could not read symbols: File in wrong format Mar 22 23:50:27 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status Mar 22 23:50:29 make: *** [libphidget21.so] Error 1 Mar 22 23:50:47 ~pastebin Mar 22 23:50:48 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste Mar 22 23:50:51 ;) Mar 22 23:51:05 Thanks Mar 22 23:51:25 You're using the cross-compile toolchain? Mar 22 23:52:28 http://pastebin.com/m1f3791e1 Mar 22 23:52:52 yes - off of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain Mar 22 23:53:11 Can you just out of curiosity check the format of libusb/usb.o ? Mar 22 23:53:27 Maybe that one happens to not be compiled for ARM Mar 22 23:54:03 usb.o: ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped Mar 22 23:54:11 Okay Mar 22 23:55:37 I am not sure about this but could it be that the ld on your system can handle x86 binaries only? If so, you'd need to use ld shipped with the toolchain Mar 22 23:55:53 Which env var was it again... LDD? *looks* Mar 22 23:57:16 Ah - thats the issue. Mar 22 23:58:19 All the other commands in the make begin with ccache arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc Mar 22 23:58:32 where the last line starts just gcc Mar 22 23:59:36 Yeah, so it invokes your system's gcc Mar 22 23:59:54 Interesting that no one caught that before Mar 23 00:00:39 There she blows!!! Mar 23 00:00:52 Woot3! Its compiled Mar 23 00:00:56 yay Mar 23 00:01:03 youhou Mar 23 00:01:31 Thanks all for the help. Sometimes you just need a nudge to keep you focussed. Mar 23 00:01:46 It's nothing Mar 23 00:02:28 Once it is all working I will put all the code online as open source. Mar 23 00:02:43 There are others already interested in building the same thing. Mar 23 00:02:55 What thing would that be? Mar 23 00:03:11 A autonomous boat. Mar 23 00:03:25 The library is the servo control library. Mar 23 00:03:35 I have gps and gprs all working now. Mar 23 00:03:35 With a Neo on it? I hope it won't sink :) Mar 23 00:03:48 Ha - no, the main weight is a huge battery. Mar 23 00:04:11 Oh - as in get damaged - it is in a box inside. Mar 23 00:04:22 If it sinks totally it would be bad :) Mar 23 00:04:32 Let's hope not then Mar 23 00:04:54 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab8tF5bYF-k Mar 23 00:05:08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7gp08CzYZQ Mar 23 00:05:25 Some demo's of what I've got so far. Mar 23 00:05:42 solar powered? Mar 23 00:06:05 yes. and sustainable according to my calculations. Mar 23 00:06:11 cool Mar 23 00:06:38 All stock parts as well - nothing you can't buy from the local hooby and electronics stores. Mar 23 00:06:46 Except for the Neo of course. Mar 23 00:06:54 nice Mar 23 00:07:05 Oh, and the servo controller. - that came from Canada. Mar 23 00:07:14 <- in canada :) Mar 23 00:07:33 I'd rather use a gumstix setup though, cheaper Mar 23 00:07:56 gumstix? Mar 23 00:08:11 http://www.gumstix.com/ Mar 23 00:09:07 no gps/gprs Mar 23 00:09:09 yeah - just looking now. Mar 23 00:09:26 That was the reason I liked the neo - all in one package. Mar 23 00:09:44 yeah, still, would hate for it to get wet :) Mar 23 00:10:15 It is pretty safe - and to be honest the cost was minimal. I've spent about $2,000 on this so far. Mar 23 00:10:56 peter_harrison: Interesting project, I gotta say Mar 23 00:11:45 What'll be the "final" ability? Swimming around autonomically and controllably over GPRS? Mar 23 00:12:03