**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 29 02:59:56 2008 Mar 29 04:43:34 * SpeedEvil sighs. I'd hoped the wifi detector I had might have a low-power chipset. But it draws a whole watt. Mar 29 04:43:54 zd1211 based Mar 29 04:53:05 humm Mar 29 06:05:38 morning all Mar 29 07:09:38 vi is the only editor available in the filesystem images? Mar 29 07:17:37 is this documentation uptodate? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Package_management Mar 29 07:18:14 /etc/ipkg/base-feed.conf has http://www.angstrom-distribution.org as repo, but the wiki page asks us to use buildhost.openmoko.org? Mar 29 07:53:38 mbuf: install nano for example Mar 29 07:53:58 ahven, ok Mar 29 08:07:24 SpeedEvil, no - I see no reason but until now there where 4 downloads. the log will be overwritten every day Mar 29 08:56:38 mickey|zzZZzz: your dbus-python fix still doesn't appear to have made it in to mtn Mar 29 12:14:40 Nearly an iphone. http://www.kaidomain.com/WEBUI/ProductDetail.aspx?TranID=3517 Mar 29 12:19:24 "HiPhone"... Mar 29 12:23:40 at least they are up front about it not being an iphone Mar 29 12:24:02 what next a HiPod, HiMac, HiMacMini lol Mar 29 12:39:03 ScaredyCat: yeah, i did not commit it to the OM branch Mar 29 12:39:32 :( Mar 29 12:40:16 * ScaredyCat waited and waited for the XorA|backtouk sync.. and since XorA|backtouk is travelling ... it didn't happen Mar 29 12:44:13 ScaredyCat: in the meantime, just add it manually Mar 29 12:44:32 inherit distutils-base autotools -> inherit distutils-base autotools pkgconfig Mar 29 13:17:54 ahh thanks Mar 29 13:24:41 mickeyl: any ides what builds libssp .. ? Mar 29 13:25:28 gcc-cross Mar 29 13:26:12 ahh... seems to have gone walkabout.. Mar 29 13:26:14 although it shouldn't Mar 29 13:26:14 since iirc we disable it Mar 29 13:26:34 the oh-puzzle games use it Mar 29 13:26:43 or at least try... Mar 29 13:26:51 but it's obviously missing : Mar 29 13:27:22 so none of them work Mar 29 13:33:00 * * OM Bug 1311 has been created by scaredycat(AT)automated.it Mar 29 13:33:01 * * libssp.so.0 is required for oh-puzzle but is not built... Mar 29 13:33:02 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1311 Mar 29 13:39:00 has the mailing lists died? Not had anything over night Mar 29 13:57:35 * ScaredyCat is getting email Mar 29 13:58:00 :( Mar 29 13:59:34 hi all Mar 29 13:59:39 lo Mar 29 14:04:20 ScaredyCat: from the lists? Mar 29 14:04:49 yes Mar 29 14:04:58 what was your last? Mar 29 14:05:08 last one i got was from mickey|bbiab ... 13:49 Mar 29 14:05:22 14:03 now Mar 29 14:08:41 that was on openmoko-devel Mar 29 14:09:25 fwiw, same here Mar 29 14:17:30 Greetings O Wise Ones Mar 29 14:56:46 ... Mar 29 14:57:02 . Mar 29 14:57:06 .. Mar 29 14:57:08 dang Mar 29 15:07:09 long time no community updates Mar 29 15:10:44 CVirus: lotsa updates on the -devel lists. Mar 29 15:12:08 will take a look Mar 29 15:12:11 thanks Mar 29 16:33:37 mickey, whee on the packaged muxer Mar 29 16:40:27 (not tried it yet, but whee there is one) Mar 29 16:40:59 is there someone here that know more about the accelerometer gestures gsoc project? Mar 29 16:41:20 mjr: :) Mar 29 16:41:23 avtobiff: Do you want to apply for it? Mar 29 16:41:43 abraxa_, yes very much. it is relevant to my interests. Mar 29 16:41:57 wouldn't everybody apply for it? ;) Mar 29 16:42:29 I sure won't stop you from applying, though I'll encourage you to pick something else Mar 29 16:42:37 abraxa_, why? Mar 29 16:42:42 many applicants? Mar 29 16:42:54 For the exact same reason you just mentioned, yeah ;) Mar 29 16:43:08 to bad Mar 29 16:43:09 There are like 5 or 6 applications for gestures Mar 29 16:43:22 that is not many. many is like 50+ Mar 29 16:43:24 *looks over to mickey* Mar 29 16:43:30 well Mar 29 16:43:33 or atleast more than ten Mar 29 16:43:34 if you have 18 proposals Mar 29 16:43:36 6 is a lot Mar 29 16:43:49 ever 3rd proposal is accellerometers :/ Mar 29 16:44:18 ok... what proposals have few applicants then? Mar 29 16:44:24 yeah. it is a very cool project. Mar 29 16:44:27 efl widgets :) Mar 29 16:44:31 widgets! Mar 29 16:44:44 widgets FTW! Mar 29 16:44:46 does the openmoko have multitouch? Mar 29 16:44:58 mickeyl: btw, raster said he doesn't quite see the point of the widgets proposal Mar 29 16:45:23 widget, it's got a widget.. a widget it has got... Mar 29 16:45:36 Mar 29 16:45:41 abraxa_, i dont either :/ Mar 29 16:45:45 mickeyl, i had updated the proposal answering your queries...hope i am in the right direction :) Mar 29 16:45:56 surprising to me Mar 29 16:46:00 i added some details Mar 29 16:46:29 so what do you think should we use to do apps? Mar 29 16:46:42 every app completely different free form UI? Mar 29 16:46:54 would be cool, but is not recommended by usability guys Mar 29 16:47:17 a set of mobile optimized widgets is missing in EFL Mar 29 16:47:19 umm yeah no guidelines are cool... Mar 29 16:48:49 are there any action on the BT/WLAN ad-hoc comm.? Mar 29 16:49:28 is any mentor available to discuss the myth-tv integration with Openmoko Mar 29 16:49:34 * mwester is hugely in favor of a consistent set of optimized widgets, lest chaos reign. Mar 29 16:49:40 through bluetooth Mar 29 16:50:51 abraxa_: do you have any idea about it Mar 29 16:51:24 mickeyl: ?? Mar 29 16:51:43 I'm not a mentor I'm afraid :) Mar 29 16:51:59 ok!! Mar 29 16:52:13 while this is all cool, i doubt that myth-tv integration nor bluetooth ad-hoc are promising projects for this year Mar 29 16:52:26 why? Mar 29 16:52:29 why ?? Mar 29 16:52:57 because OM lacks in certain areas where other projects could have more impact Mar 29 16:53:09 like Mar 29 16:53:21 where is help needed? Mar 29 16:54:07 iphone has cool bluetooth remote control sys, i would like OM too develops that Mar 29 16:54:37 which areas you are talking of mickeyl ?? Mar 29 16:54:38 middleware services, telephony, pim, notification, network, boot time, preferences, ... Mar 29 16:55:13 network? Mar 29 16:55:15 gsm? Mar 29 16:56:20 gsm is part of telephony Mar 29 16:56:27 network as in... usb, wifi, ppp Mar 29 16:56:32 yeah ok Mar 29 16:56:47 there's little infrastructure completed to enable people writing their apps Mar 29 16:56:50 what pim apps exist? Mar 29 16:56:51 i'd like to see a dialer contest Mar 29 16:56:52 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Core_Applications#PIM_Suite Mar 29 16:56:54 and things like that Mar 29 16:57:01 do every one of those exist? Mar 29 16:57:03 but this is not possible without all the services Mar 29 16:57:12 there's some gtk apps Mar 29 16:57:15 contacts Mar 29 16:57:16 dates Mar 29 16:57:21 dialer Mar 29 16:57:26 todo Mar 29 16:57:31 messages Mar 29 16:57:35 that's more or less it Mar 29 16:57:52 what more do you need? :) Mar 29 16:58:52 hmm Mar 29 16:59:06 i don't care about apps Mar 29 16:59:09 i'm a developer Mar 29 16:59:13 i want a platform i can develop on Mar 29 16:59:18 but that's a personal thing Mar 29 16:59:38 but still you are not satisfied with the current apps? :) Mar 29 16:59:43 no, not quite Mar 29 17:00:14 again, speaking as an indivdual here, not as part of OM Mar 29 17:00:19 ok Mar 29 17:04:38 I want a media player that knows the full list of stuff available (e.g. on my main hard drive) and marks songs I've already listened to for potential deletion Mar 29 17:05:00 then detects when I'm connected to my 'music source' and dls replacements Mar 29 17:09:37 * cb22 tries to build an image for the first time :) Mar 29 17:11:33 * ScaredyCat injects random errors into random .bb files on cb22's machine Mar 29 17:12:17 ScaredyCat: bleh, you broke it :( Mar 29 17:12:41 error while parsing: while parsing /home/federico/moko/openembedded/packages/packagekit/packagekit_git.bb Mar 29 17:12:59 ah, need git Mar 29 17:23:50 has anyone seen this? http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7343914760.html Mar 29 17:24:09 seems very nice with a sub $100 3G reference phone Mar 29 17:25:52 perhaps a platform for openmoko to support too i mean Mar 29 17:26:17 even though it doesn't have as much power as the freerunner, it does support 3g and is a lot cheaper Mar 29 17:27:52 is openmoko member of http://www.limofoundation.org/ ? Mar 29 17:29:15 no Mar 29 17:29:38 Blastur: there was a mail no the ML concerning that Mar 29 17:30:15 the mission of LiMo seems a lot like Openmoko Mar 29 17:30:18 it is evil :p Mar 29 17:30:27 oh really, you dont happen to have a link do you edistar? :) Mar 29 17:30:43 well Mar 29 17:31:01 all these foundations and forums are about top-down standardization Mar 29 17:31:10 which is not quite what Om is interested in Mar 29 17:31:43 isn't openmoko suppose to serve as a united (standardized) platform? Mar 29 17:31:54 which can be run on many different phones Mar 29 17:31:56 if it comes to that, yeah Mar 29 17:32:00 but that's bottom-up standardization Mar 29 17:32:11 im not familiar with the lingo Mar 29 17:32:27 it's a question about who defines what Mar 29 17:33:02 Om believes more in code than standards Mar 29 17:33:05 vala doesnt incur that much of a overhead to get worried about..does it? Mar 29 17:33:15 vala incurs zero overhead Mar 29 17:33:18 since it compiles to C Mar 29 17:33:25 no runtime libraries Mar 29 17:33:32 oh! Mar 29 17:33:44 just nice syntax and very efficient OO design Mar 29 17:33:53 * Sup3rkiddo nods in agreement Mar 29 17:34:03 two days ago, i said vala sucks...:D Mar 29 17:34:14 what is vala? Mar 29 17:34:45 Blastur, http://live.gnome.org/Vala Mar 29 17:37:30 this is _good_ , http://live.gnome.org/Vala/Tutorial Mar 29 17:46:56 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vala_%28Middle-earth%29 Mar 29 17:48:47 * SpeedEvil ponders. Mar 29 17:50:11 about? Mar 29 17:50:32 oops - mischan. Mar 29 17:50:56 I was pondering about upgrading the RAM on this laptop - which I like - but would be very silly. Mar 29 17:51:23 As it'd involve a custom SODIMM, and hacking of the kernel to understand the extended memory area. Mar 29 17:57:14 Another silly phone: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.11948 Mar 29 17:58:57 hmmm, don't hack. how much do you have now? Mar 29 17:59:13 [ram] Mar 29 17:59:15 196 only. It's usually adequate. Mar 29 17:59:29 ah well... that's a bit on the lean side, yeah ;) Mar 29 17:59:32 Though I've got more in my server of course. Mar 29 18:10:41 mickeyl: hey, what's this odeviced thing the gsoc people are applying for? Mar 29 18:11:25 this is the final successor to all the d thingies we built in the last couple of years Mar 29 18:11:27 ezxd Mar 29 18:11:27 neod Mar 29 18:11:29 zaurusd Mar 29 18:11:31 machined Mar 29 18:11:36 see: Mar 29 18:11:44 mickeyl: so, ohm? ;) Mar 29 18:11:45 http://www.freesmartphone.org/mediawiki/index.php/Implementations/OpenDeviceDaemon Mar 29 18:11:48 no Mar 29 18:11:51 probably not ohm, sorry Mar 29 18:11:59 why not? Mar 29 18:12:03 i don't believe in it Mar 29 18:12:12 didn't you even say it's not going anywhere? Mar 29 18:12:45 robtaylor, are you one of the mentors? Mar 29 18:12:49 the thing is, we really need to start small. not overengineering. a small plugin-based daemon exporting some dbus methods Mar 29 18:12:51 well, i've got some pretty decent plans for it now. the main issue is having something that works for embedded *and* desktop Mar 29 18:12:54 that should be everything needed Mar 29 18:13:04 mickeyl: that's actually exactly what ohm is right now Mar 29 18:13:28 yes, but it needs HAL... Mar 29 18:13:40 mickeyl: well, yes, thats the right architecture Mar 29 18:13:49 mmh, i fell a deja vu Mar 29 18:13:52 feel,e ven Mar 29 18:14:02 mickeyl: nihing isn't going to help in solving a complex problem, you're just ending up with another *d ;) Mar 29 18:14:15 be honest, it didn't take off yet Mar 29 18:14:17 or did it? Mar 29 18:15:04 mickeyl: yes, ohm might not be right, but it'd be very good to learn from it and others rather than just diving headlong into Yet Another Daemon ;) Mar 29 18:15:42 mickeyl: are you going to the linux foundation collaboration summit? Mar 29 18:16:15 no, i'm heading to austria for skiing now Mar 29 18:16:20 damn.. Mar 29 18:16:31 (or rather, writing on my book while the others ski) Mar 29 18:16:40 no more international conferences this year Mar 29 18:16:43 i just came back from bossa Mar 29 18:17:03 mickeyl: did you have fun? :) Mar 29 18:17:30 a bit... unfortunately the three days were really packed with all sorts of stuff Mar 29 18:17:36 could have been more fun and less work, to be honest Mar 29 18:17:55 worked with the mamona guys on merging lots of stuff after bossa Mar 29 18:18:06 so main thing i've seen from brazil is their ACed rooms Mar 29 18:18:07 *cough* Mar 29 18:18:22 mickeyl: bummer.. Mar 29 18:19:15 mickeyl: It'd be really good if we could have a proper chat sometime and i'll download to you all the issues i've looked at over the last year in this space Mar 29 18:19:55 * robtaylor just really wants to have something happen that really approaches the problem in a way that works Mar 29 18:20:55 there's a lot of layers of issues, starting right at the kernel , going up to udevd, hal, etc Mar 29 18:21:35 and ending up even with external devices. Mar 29 18:21:42 and issues in the separation of mechanism and policy Mar 29 18:21:50 GSM network variations and stuff Mar 29 18:21:55 SpeedEvil: yep Mar 29 18:22:19 SpeedEvil: like where to tye in bluetooth, upnp, zeroconf Mar 29 18:24:03 and like i keep saying, desktop has exactly the same issues (and of course there's things like moblin and osso which have stacks very similar to the desktop) Mar 29 18:25:18 Though desktop has fewer location issues. Mar 29 18:25:59 SpeedEvil: i don't think thats necessarily trur. my lappy has wifi and wwan, for example Mar 29 18:26:19 Soon most will have some kind of sim-card device too, I'm sure Mar 29 18:26:22 that's not a desktop. Mar 29 18:26:27 SpeedEvil: no gps though ;) Mar 29 18:26:37 gsm/3g/wimax/whatever :) Mar 29 18:26:38 SpeedEvil: its the 'desktop stack' though Mar 29 18:26:43 Ah Mar 29 18:27:23 hmm, damn, my gf's telling me I need to head off now.. Mar 29 18:27:31 Wave. Mar 29 18:28:03 laters, but yeah, lets get some work going that makes proper sense, rather than fragmenting again Mar 29 18:28:25 * SpeedEvil goes back to hardware design. Mar 29 18:31:20 moo Mar 29 18:31:52 lo CM Mar 29 18:31:59 ScaredyCat: Evening Mar 29 18:32:01 :) Mar 29 18:32:12 * CM still can't get past stinking pth :( Mar 29 18:32:24 tf! Mar 29 18:32:28 I don't get how it can fail in crosscompiling Mar 29 18:32:48 I mean, ok if it fails if I tried to compile for x86-64 or so Mar 29 18:32:58 But I'm running a clean om build, from scratch Mar 29 18:34:09 I don't want to rub it in but ... Mar 29 18:34:10 NOTE: build 200803291831: completed Mar 29 18:34:15 I just rebuilt it Mar 29 18:34:21 ~fish ScaredyCat Mar 29 18:34:22 * apt slaps ScaredyCat around with a large trout Mar 29 18:34:26 :( Mar 29 18:34:36 Hehe.. Well.. Good it should work at least :) Mar 29 18:35:10 Think they should update pth in oe though, 2.0.7 has been out for quite a while, and there's some fixes since 2.0.2 Mar 29 18:35:28 * CM compiles gnome-2.22 instead Mar 29 18:35:43 oe now has a stable branch Mar 29 18:36:04 bu that might mean 'already broken' ;) Mar 29 18:36:28 Hehe Mar 29 18:37:17 what's the error ? Mar 29 18:37:42 http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3988 Mar 29 18:37:59 CM: if you look through the complex #if #else crap, I think its Mar 29 18:38:00 the stack offsets in setjmp.h Mar 29 18:38:14 Something there... Mar 29 18:38:40 Thinking of trying a patch so that I don't end up in the linux section of that file, and just get the standard posix thread Mar 29 18:39:41 have you tried blowing away the tar.gz +md5+lock files just to see if you got a bad version ? Mar 29 18:41:27 How do I do that - I have it stalled on webkit Mar 29 18:41:38 it errors out. Mar 29 18:44:01 ScaredyCat: Hmm.. Guess I'll have to try that. I've tried to avoid removing all the sources since I only have a sucky 8mbit adsl since I moved Mar 29 18:44:13 * CM misses his 100/10 fiber.. Mar 29 18:45:07 one thing that strikes me Mar 29 18:45:51 is that it must have compiled the others Mar 29 18:46:16 Other what? Mar 29 18:46:19 pth_debug.c pth_ring.c etc Mar 29 18:46:23 Ah, yes Mar 29 18:46:34 but it uses the same params etc Mar 29 18:46:47 I know, and I don't get it Mar 29 18:47:06 Guess XorA gave a good hint Mar 29 18:47:19 It's something with setjmp.h Mar 29 18:47:23 you're 64bit Mar 29 18:47:24 ? Mar 29 18:47:27 Yes Mar 29 18:47:45 But that shouldn't really matter for the cross-compiler should it? Mar 29 18:47:47 send it to me, i'll send you a 32 bit machine :) Mar 29 18:47:51 Hehe Mar 29 18:48:04 I know a lot of people compile on 64-bit machines Mar 29 18:50:25 * CM eats dinner Mar 29 18:50:56 sadly looking at your bug report, you seem to be taking to yourself Mar 29 18:51:01 talking Mar 29 18:51:15 no one in oe help? Mar 29 18:53:45 Any thoughts on NOTE: Unpacking /mnt/data/om/sources/WebCore_svn.webkit.org_.repository.webkit.trunk._30762_.tar.gz to /mnt/data/om/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/webkit-gtk-0.1+svnr30762-r4/ Mar 29 18:53:46 edistar: /mnt/data/om/sources/WebCore_svn.webkit.org_.repository.webkit.trunk._30762_.tar.gz: Cannot ope Mar 29 18:53:50 ... Mar 29 18:53:59 CM: of course, now you know how the rest of us feel with our crappy adsl connecitons Mar 29 18:54:26 SpeedEvil: dunno, there's only half an error there.. Mar 29 18:54:34 "Cannot ope" Mar 29 18:54:36 n Mar 29 18:55:02 /mnt/data/om/sources/WebCore_svn.webkit.org_.repository.webkit.trunk._30762_.tar.gz exists? Mar 29 18:55:16 oops - line before Mar 29 18:55:33 robtaylor: has there been any development to OHM in the last 6 months? the mailing list was awfully queit Mar 29 18:55:35 was 'unpacking /mnt/data/om/sources/JavaScriptGlue_svn.webkit.org_.repository.webkit.trunk._30762_.tar.gz' or something Mar 29 18:55:35 if so, where? Mar 29 18:55:37 bbiab, dinner Mar 29 18:55:38 which exists Mar 29 18:55:45 and does not seem to have errors Mar 29 18:56:43 cat /builder/newBuild/downloads/WebCore_svn.webkit.org_.repository.webkit.trunk._30762_.tar.gz.md5 Mar 29 18:56:43 219723b2080ec39fd43d3b469c792619 Mar 29 18:57:03 moment Mar 29 18:57:23 errm Mar 29 18:57:51 where is downloads? Mar 29 18:58:01 Or for that matter Newbuilds Mar 29 18:58:09 hang on Mar 29 18:58:25 those are on my system Mar 29 18:58:27 cat /builder/newBuild/downloads/JavaScriptGlue_svn.webkit.org_.repository.webkit.trunk._30762_.tar.gz.md5 Mar 29 18:58:27 7d72534edf1df35f31f7fc3396cde868 Mar 29 18:58:48 so it'll be your ${OMDIR}/downloads/ Mar 29 18:59:01 or sources Mar 29 18:59:05 Which I don't have Mar 29 18:59:06 ah Mar 29 18:59:10 either of? Mar 29 18:59:15 got sources Mar 29 18:59:36 moment Mar 29 18:59:53 find . -type f -name "*.trunk._30762_.tar.gz.md5" Mar 29 18:59:56 ... Mar 29 19:00:11 no locate? Mar 29 19:00:42 I killed it on that drive - it's got 200K files on Mar 29 19:00:48 * ScaredyCat hugs locate Mar 29 19:02:51 309c565b7e97d9f698897c4d8cc5e9 Mar 29 19:02:53 c Mar 29 19:03:14 Ok - so what do I do - blow away the corresponding .gz file? Mar 29 19:04:22 yes, and .md5 and .lock Mar 29 19:04:37 Odd - gzip says it's valid Mar 29 19:05:01 I can't find a lock file Mar 29 19:05:05 in the same dir Mar 29 19:05:11 ok, it doesn't matter Mar 29 19:05:23 make update? Or devel-image? Mar 29 19:05:40 or just make webkit Mar 29 19:06:12 but a make devl image is wht you're after anyway, right? Mar 29 19:07:25 make webkit alone dies - not known - make devel now Mar 29 19:07:56 no.. cd build && . ../setup-env && bitbake -c rebuild webkit Mar 29 19:09:17 iirc mokomakefile uses: make package- Mar 29 19:09:28 but I've never used that.. Mar 29 19:09:39 trying devel-image anyway... - which failed Mar 29 19:10:20 hi guys.. can anyone help me out with qemu emulator? I am just not able to set up connection between my host and the emulator Mar 29 19:10:32 i tried following the instructions in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU#Simple_network_connection_with_pppd Mar 29 19:10:32 ahhh... Mar 29 19:10:41 it's build-package- Mar 29 19:10:41 but just doesn't seem to work :( Mar 29 19:10:59 ok - that's recognised Mar 29 19:11:05 and in progress. Mar 29 19:11:06 did it dl new files SpeedEvil? Mar 29 19:11:26 I diddn't see - something stupid in the background made it scroll Mar 29 19:11:45 were you typing : make devel-image ? Mar 29 19:11:56 no - openmoko-devel-image Mar 29 19:12:02 k, just checking ;) Mar 29 19:12:12 ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'webkit' ... Mar 29 19:12:20 hrrmm Mar 29 19:12:22 i sec Mar 29 19:12:31 make update might fix? Mar 29 19:12:57 webkit-gtk Mar 29 19:13:02 ah Mar 29 19:13:05 not just webkit Mar 29 19:15:28 going now. Mar 29 19:15:58 good good Mar 29 19:17:12 failed. /me wanders over to pastebin Mar 29 19:17:55 ScaredyCat: stop breaking things! Mar 29 19:18:23 :( Mar 29 19:18:27 http://pastebin.com/d4e1895a6 Mar 29 19:18:56 that's make build-package-webkit-gtk Mar 29 19:22:21 hmmm.. now that you guys seem to be free, can you help me out with qemu emulator? Mar 29 19:22:23 I am just not able to set up connection between my host and the emulator Mar 29 19:22:29 SpeedEvil: http://buildhost.automated.it/om-missing/ Mar 29 19:22:30 i tried following the instructions in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU#Simple_network_connection_with_pppd Mar 29 19:22:41 but just doesn't seem to work :( Mar 29 19:22:51 I've put the missing file there Mar 29 19:23:00 make sure you get the right one ;) Mar 29 19:23:07 Why isn't it downloading it? Mar 29 19:23:29 Does anyone know if there's an update to make settingsgui work with the new audio state files? Mar 29 19:23:31 trying make update - then wil download Mar 29 19:23:36 put it in /mnt/data/om/sources/ Mar 29 19:24:08 I tried ipkg install on it and it says no updates, but it is trying to parse 'off' as an int. I can patch that easily enough, but I thought there might be an 'official' fix. Mar 29 19:24:29 sh4sh4nk: sorry, not really used Qemu... Mar 29 19:25:00 what version wurp2? Mar 29 19:25:05 of settingsgui? Mar 29 19:25:41 ScaredyCat, thanks... any idea where i can get help Mar 29 19:25:47 been googling for 2 hrs Mar 29 19:25:48 0.7b-r1 Mar 29 19:26:04 not getting anywhere :( Mar 29 19:26:05 wurp2: iirc it's v 0.8 Mar 29 19:26:08 now Mar 29 19:26:30 sh4sh4nk: just hang around until some qemu uses appear Mar 29 19:26:38 users Mar 29 19:27:07 cool Mar 29 19:27:08 ScaredyCat: Thanks, let me just download & install. Maybe I'm missing a host in my ipkg config. Mar 29 19:30:01 SpeedEvil: as you can see from the other versions in that dir on my buildhost, it's happened before Mar 29 19:35:25 Om believes more in code than standards Mar 29 19:35:39 That's a great line - worth quoting! Mar 29 19:36:21 sca Mar 29 19:36:21 that's an opinion as an individual, not an om representative - right? Mar 29 19:36:48 : ok - I overwrote the file it was last complaining about and am now retrying build. Mar 29 19:37:16 mv JavaScriptGlue_svn.webkit.org_.repository.webkit.trunk._30762_.tar.gz /mnt/data/om/sources/JavaScriptGlue_svn.webkit.org_.repository.webkit.trunk._30762_.tar.gz Mar 29 19:40:39 SpeedEvil: working ? Mar 29 19:40:46 no Mar 29 19:40:51 it seems to work on that. Mar 29 19:41:00 then it fails immediately afterwards on webcore Mar 29 19:41:10 whats that error? Mar 29 19:41:21 edistar: /mnt/data/om/sources/WebCore_svn.webkit.org_.repository.webkit.trunk._30762_.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory Mar 29 19:41:31 is the first error line Mar 29 19:41:37 ScaredyCat: OK, now settingsgui isn't erroring out, but it's been "Loading" for a couple of minutes Mar 29 19:41:41 ok, I'll opy that to my bh for you too Mar 29 19:42:05 ScaredyCat: /me wonders how many thousand .tar.gz's are needed... Mar 29 19:42:51 dling. Mar 29 19:43:01 don;t dl it eyt Mar 29 19:43:05 not up Mar 29 19:43:12 oops Mar 29 19:43:23 1:30 to go Mar 29 19:45:06 k done SpeedEvil Mar 29 19:45:17 thanks Mar 29 19:45:28 i think webkit is a special case ...which is why these things happen Mar 29 19:49:00 wurp2: did the install go ok? Mar 29 19:49:14 have you tried running it from a shell Mar 29 19:49:19 I'm not sure you can call it an install ;-) Mar 29 19:49:25 true Mar 29 19:49:40 I downloaded the tjz and unzipped, & copied it over my old install :-/ Mar 29 19:49:45 oh Mar 29 19:49:46 I didn't see an ipk for it Mar 29 19:49:54 And I am starting it from a terminal Mar 29 19:50:07 The only output is 0.1: 0.473054885864 Mar 29 19:50:51 I tried the directions to install from Alessandro's repo, but I guess it doesn't have the 0.8 version since the install told me I was up to date after that Mar 29 19:50:56 I did do an ipkg update first Mar 29 19:51:29 It still says Loading so something is obviously awry. I will look more for an 0.8 ipkg Mar 29 19:53:24 ScaredyCat: copied over and new build kicked off Mar 29 19:54:07 k, good, iirc it takes a while Mar 29 19:55:49 It's onto the next task Mar 29 19:56:54 Many thanks! Mar 29 19:57:01 * SpeedEvil passes ScaredyCat some catnip. Mar 29 19:57:12 :) Mar 29 19:58:54 * ScaredyCat packs away cape Mar 29 19:59:27 ScaredyCat: Found the 0.8 ipk in your repository; installing :-) Mar 29 19:59:44 yeah, errm, about that... Mar 29 19:59:53 Heh Mar 29 20:00:04 Should I copy it over to the neo? Mar 29 20:00:23 you'll probably get the same result Mar 29 20:00:34 "Loading" forever? Mar 29 20:00:44 Or parsing 'off' as an int? Mar 29 20:00:51 both... Mar 29 20:01:25 I think this is part of the problem, the undelying stuff keeps changing so it's hard for people to code to keep up Mar 29 20:01:37 Is it something wrong with your ipk, or is there just not a version of settingsgui that totally works? Mar 29 20:01:51 I think settingsgui got broken Mar 29 20:02:02 Ah Mar 29 20:02:27 Maybe I can take some time tonight and fix it. The 'off' thing is like 2 minutes to fix, but who knows what comes after that Mar 29 20:02:52 And to get started I really need to dl it from the scm Mar 29 20:03:09 So my patch is useful beyond my personal immediate needs Mar 29 20:03:11 yeah, if you can do that, maybe provide a patch and I'll rebuild the ipk Mar 29 20:03:52 OK, thx for the pointers. I'll try to pull the source tonight & get it all, or at least mostly, working Mar 29 20:04:10 :) Mar 29 21:19:09 Scaredy Cat: Still going :) Mar 29 21:31:00 I am filled with emo rage Mar 29 21:31:05 over the lack of a GTA02 Mar 29 21:31:10 in my greasy, clasping hands Mar 29 21:33:40 * abraxa_ hands ewon a voodoo doll linked to Steve Jobs Mar 29 21:40:33 A DollI? Mar 29 21:40:51 Yeah well, I can't hand him Steve Jobs himself :) Mar 29 22:06:29 win 1 Mar 29 22:06:48 We are not a number! Mar 29 22:09:30 no, you aren't Mar 29 22:09:40 you're four numbers, somewhere in the range of 0-255 Mar 29 22:24:00 wouldn't that be .... : abraxa_ hand jobs ewon ? Mar 29 22:24:32 ScaredyCat: ...evil. Mar 29 22:24:37 >:) Mar 29 22:55:37 Hehe Mar 29 23:04:02 * cb22 wants a freerunner Mar 29 23:04:25 I think we all do. Mar 29 23:05:06 SpeedEvil: at least you have a gta01 to play on in the mean time :( Mar 29 23:05:32 just out of interest: did anyone of you already pre-order a freerunner? Mar 29 23:05:38 hi Mar 29 23:05:44 I have no spare cash at all. Mar 29 23:05:48 need help in summer of code Mar 29 23:06:04 where do i propose my idea? i dont find a link for doing that Mar 29 23:06:11 on the moko wiki Mar 29 23:06:15 I thought it had expired Mar 29 23:06:16 anirudh: please dont say you want to do the acceloremeters :) Mar 29 23:06:43 :) you are very imaginative! Mar 29 23:06:47 lol Mar 29 23:06:56 any irc rooms for that/ Mar 29 23:06:57 ? Mar 29 23:07:03 * cb22 hopes there will be a shiny new web shop for buying freerunner Mar 29 23:08:17 something slightly more advanced then the YES_* emails =) Mar 29 23:08:30 cb22 Mar 29 23:08:44 anirudh? Mar 29 23:08:44 please answer my question. Mar 29 23:08:52 i have to propose my idea :D Mar 29 23:09:34 speak to mickey|dinner? im just a humble user Mar 29 23:10:17 can you pass me on his email? Mar 29 23:10:38 PM's not working Mar 29 23:10:40 that is, when he is back from his perpetual finner :p Mar 29 23:10:57 try the community mailing list Mar 29 23:11:04 lists.openmoko.org Mar 29 23:11:19 anirudh: write it now - deadline is mondya Mar 29 23:12:09 * cb22 pokes Sup3rkiddo with an odeviced covered stick Mar 29 23:12:14 i believe the deadline is getting extended Mar 29 23:12:23 till a week maybe Mar 29 23:12:49 anyone know how many slots om is going to get? Mar 29 23:14:08 speed Mar 29 23:14:33 need to know where to post my idea. didn't get any info on the WIkI Mar 29 23:15:27 anirudh: probably on the community mailing list. but im not sure, maybe abraxa_ or Sup3rkiddo know Mar 29 23:17:46 To quote someone else... Mar 29 23:17:51 Maybe that's the first test Mar 29 23:21:34 abraxa_: btw, what are you applying for? Mar 29 23:24:03 abraxa Mar 29 23:24:27 did you discuss your ideas with the mentors? Mar 29 23:27:00 What are the current valid MACHINEs for makefile? Mar 29 23:27:15 anirudh: I submitted it and the commented Mar 29 23:27:18 they* Mar 29 23:27:42 cb22: Middleware fun :) Mar 29 23:28:45 okay but where did you submit your idea? Mar 29 23:28:55 i cant find a forum or mailing list page Mar 29 23:28:59 can you pass me the URL Mar 29 23:38:57 Not trying to be mean or anything but... google makes it way easy Mar 29 23:39:24 heh. Mar 30 00:32:48 If they don't say anything about the release of the freerunner in the long awaited community update I will kill something :P Mar 30 00:33:31 Well, you can follow up on the tests they're performing Mar 30 00:33:42 where? Mar 30 00:33:47 The roadmap to mass market production has already been posted Mar 30 00:33:51 On the community ML Mar 30 00:33:59 ah ok Mar 30 00:34:10 thx Mar 30 00:34:12 gn Mar 30 00:34:14 np :) Mar 30 00:40:35 I'll go copy some of that info to the community updates page Mar 30 00:40:58 Sounds good, thanks :) Mar 30 00:47:54 well - there are hacks round that. Mar 30 00:47:59 oops Mar 30 00:48:25 done **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 30 02:59:56 2008