**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 30 02:59:56 2008 Mar 30 05:37:57 I have a patch for SettingsGui to get it to work with the latest OM images Mar 30 05:38:03 Anyone know where I should send it? Mar 30 05:38:14 The project page doesn't have any info Mar 30 05:38:38 never mind; dev email addy is in the source comments :-) Mar 30 05:42:13 OK, next question: anyone know ScaredyCat's email address? Mar 30 05:54:53 wurp2|away, you mean the settingsgui hosted here: http://neo1973-germany.de/ ? Mar 30 08:12:04 how to overcome the "CROSS COMPILE badness" error when cross-compiling with standalone Makefile approach? Mar 30 11:47:36 hello everyone Mar 30 11:49:27 i have submitted my application to GSoC and here is the small description of that on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Saurabhgupta Mar 30 11:55:05 i have submitted my application to GSoC and here is the small description of that on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Saurabhgupta Mar 30 12:00:41 hello Mar 30 12:03:23 . Mar 30 12:05:41 sunny1403: Openmoko's community interaction currently focuses on the software - the hardware so far is under complete control of the hardware guys Mar 30 12:06:09 You *can* extend the hardware using i2c and friends but that's about it (for now, at least) Mar 30 13:44:12 josch: yep, that's the one I meant Mar 30 13:44:29 I've emailed it now, to Kristian Mar 30 13:46:32 hello rooom Mar 30 14:12:55 hi Mar 30 14:33:11 helo bumbl Mar 30 15:41:16 Is anyone aware of any issues with git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/packagekit ? Mar 30 15:45:25 Cthobs, you have to do it twice in bitbake before it works? Mar 30 15:46:19 thos: Forgive my ignorance here, but what do I need to do twice? Mar 30 15:46:49 thos: I'm running the makefile and running into this error Mar 30 15:46:59 Cthobs, did you try running it again? Mar 30 15:47:54 thos: Runngin it now. But I have been trying it since yesterday. Ran make clobber and clean even suspecting deep changes....no, same error Mar 30 15:48:48 thos: bb.fetch.FetchError Mar 30 15:48:50 Cthobs, well, if it's the same error I get, then you have to run it again without cleaning anything Mar 30 15:50:19 thos: ok, gonna run the update process from the beginning and see where it goes Mar 30 15:53:47 thos: make update-makefile, setup, and update run without error, but openmoko-devel-image gives me an error everytime I run it Mar 30 15:55:03 can you paste the error to pastebin.ca? Mar 30 15:55:13 thos: sure, one min Mar 30 15:56:48 thos: http://pastebin.ca/963443 Mar 30 15:59:15 Cthobs, do you have git installed? Mar 30 16:00:14 I've been building for a long time without issues. Has it been made mandatory? Mar 30 16:01:20 Cthobs, I think the packagekit dependancy was added recently Mar 30 16:01:40 thos: ok, lemme go add it and try it again. Thank you for your help. Mar 30 16:02:24 if you're on debian or ubuntu, use apt-get install git-core Mar 30 16:03:49 thos: Mandriva. Don't see a package for it, maybe in the cooker. Mar 30 16:18:38 ~stab pth Mar 30 16:18:39 * apt runs at pth with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. Mar 30 16:18:54 * CM sulks in the corner Mar 30 16:19:38 ugh... paper cuts... Mar 30 17:14:22 thos: I have git installed but running into a new error. So I try to run 'git ls-remote git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/packagekit' by itself and I get 'git: fatal error: `chdir' failed: permission denied.' Is this an error on my end? Mar 30 17:21:33 hi all Mar 30 17:26:14 hello there Mar 30 18:36:10 Can anyone point me to a page which can tell me where to get a simulator image? I just want to know how openmoko looks currently Mar 30 18:49:46 slytherin: Check out Mokomakefile, it's listed on wiki.openmoko.org Mar 30 18:49:54 It has build targets for qemu Mar 30 18:52:16 abraxa_: what is the approx hard disk space required? Mar 30 18:53:43 slytherin: 200mb at most as nothing will be compiled (except qemu, maybe) Mar 30 18:54:15 abraxa_: ok, thanks. I was confused because the wiki says 12 GB Mar 30 18:54:36 That's for building the entire Openmoko distribution, yeah Mar 30 18:56:16 abraxa_: Can you explain a bit. What is difference between entire distribution and qemu image? Mar 30 18:56:58 First off, qemu is simulating all the hardware Openmoko is designed to run on Mar 30 18:57:20 It takes an image of the bootloader, kernel and rootfs to emulate everything Mar 30 18:57:59 When you use Mokomakefile to simply run qemu with precompiled images then nothing will be compiled Mar 30 18:58:20 The more common use case for Mokomakefile however is to *create* those images Mar 30 18:58:33 ...and that's what takes a lot of space Mar 30 18:58:41 Everything clear? Mar 30 18:59:38 abraxa_: crystal. :-) Mar 30 18:59:51 Great Mar 30 18:59:56 I will free up the space sometime this week. :-) Mar 30 19:00:14 Well, you surely don't want to build the distribution yourself just to have a look Mar 30 19:00:29 Other people do that already and make the results available Mar 30 19:00:37 abraxa_: but I will need to build it to develop application right? Mar 30 19:00:48 Not really Mar 30 19:01:02 If you only want to develop applications then you'll most likely want to use the SDK Mar 30 19:01:11 abraxa_: that is even better. :-D Mar 30 19:01:42 Yeah, cause it's a complete cross-compile environment that lets you get to work right away Mar 30 19:03:25 abraxa_: Thanks for all the info. Bed time for me. Will hang around once I get to see how everything works. :-) Mar 30 19:03:39 Glad to see you around. Good night :) Mar 30 19:35:22 freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r117 10/trunk/software/pyneod/setup.py: fixed syntax error/typo Mar 30 20:41:47 is mickeyl gonna be around at all tonight? presumably not? Mar 30 20:46:37 summatusmentis, he is in austria right now Mar 30 20:46:46 holidays with his wife Mar 30 20:51:15 josch: ok... so then... is there someone I can talk to about GSoC? Mar 30 20:51:32 maybe abraxa_ ? hehe Mar 30 20:51:46 he's a student... right? Mar 30 20:54:00 summatusmentis, yes Mar 30 20:54:45 Is it about ophoned details, summatusmentis Mar 30 20:54:45 ? Mar 30 20:54:58 odeviced, and just talking about framework stuff Mar 30 20:55:44 Yeah, I can't help with that unfortunately =\ Mar 30 20:56:07 I'd say writing mickey a mail is the best way to reach him atm, though I'm not sure if he even can get online where he is right now Mar 30 20:56:28 Keep in mind that as long as you submitted a proposal, you're fine Mar 30 20:56:36 Next week is when mentors can still ask questions, too :) Mar 30 20:57:52 I know, but I'm not sure I fully understand the project, and i want to specify some more on the application Mar 30 20:59:53 Hmmm, I was reading the post by Koen on planet.openmoko.org, and was interested to see that a "stable branch" was only going to be maintained for 1 year (or was it 14 monhts?) Does that not seem some what short? Mar 30 21:00:36 wibbit: I'm sure they lack manpower to do it for longer - and I'd rather see progress :) Mar 30 21:01:52 abraxa_: I truly hope that there is a good upgrade path for users, to migrate to newer versoins. it just seems, hmm, limited, especially for a consumer phone. Mar 30 21:02:05 But then, when I think about Nokia and their software updates, well they are shite Mar 30 21:02:53 summatusmentis: Hmm... unfortunately odeviced is mickey's idea so if I were you I'd just leave a comment like "As of now I need to discuss further details with Mickey but was unable to get in touch with him due to his holidays. I will follow up with more info when we talked." Mar 30 21:05:15 abraxa_: he was the one who left the comment, and I don't know that he'll give me the stuff I need to know Mar 30 21:05:47 like, I think part of the application process to know what I'm talking about :-) Mar 30 21:07:06 oh, I see... Mar 30 21:07:07 Hm. Mar 30 21:07:15 you know? Mar 30 21:07:37 " Michael Lauer Mar 30 21:07:37 This is an interesting proposal, however it requires quite a bit of experience with dbus and plugin-based architectures. Could you expand on e.g. how you would design the plugin framework, e.g. how do the plugins export which dbus interfaces they support and how is a dbus call routed through an individual plugin. Mar 30 21:07:37 Do you have experience with the Vala programming language? I'd like to recommend this as implementation language for this project." Mar 30 21:08:44 don't know anything about designing plugin frameworks, and how the plugins interact Mar 30 21:10:02 Well, then I'd be honest and say that I'd spend the period *before* the SoC officially starts on researching those issues, finding solutions for them and getting familiar with vala (which is easy btw) Mar 30 21:10:58 Cause you'll know if you got the project on April 14th but official start of the SoC is May 26th Mar 30 21:11:18 So the time inbetween is when you could already prepare Mar 30 21:12:24 Yes, that's true... Mar 30 21:14:09 abraxa_: how much experience do you have with GSoC? Have you applied before? Mar 30 21:14:29 Yeah, I wrote the Media Player for last year's SoC Mar 30 21:15:58 oh, so you'll be getting a position this year then :) Mar 30 21:15:59 And yeah, I neither knew GTK+ nor gstreamer so everything should be fine as long as you make clear that you're willing (and able) to learn Mar 30 21:16:15 Well, that I don't know. We'll see :) Mar 30 21:17:40 * cb22 figures out how to use svn for more then co'ing Mar 30 21:19:50 um, how exactly do you add your publickey to projects.openmoko.org? Mar 30 21:20:33 ah, found it. Mar 30 21:21:01 abraxa_: ok, thanks. I appreciate the help Mar 30 21:21:20 summatusmentis: You're very welcome Mar 30 21:21:21 ls Mar 30 21:21:25 woops Mar 30 21:29:19 abraxa_: do you mind looking over my revised application before I hit the update button on GSoc? Mar 30 21:29:31 If you want me to, sure Mar 30 21:30:53 I would like you to, you seem to know what you're talking about. Let me finish it up, and then I'll link it to you Mar 30 21:31:01 Alrighty Mar 30 21:34:12 abraxa_: http://cda.morris.umn.edu/~theba004/ it's linked under the Openmoko application link Mar 30 21:34:15 thanks a ton Mar 30 21:35:10 Oh, you're just posting that link in your SoC application? Mar 30 21:35:29 no, not at all, that's a pdf version of my SoC application, so that you can read the whole thing Mar 30 21:35:39 Ahh gotcha Mar 30 21:36:31 I was thinking about attaching a link to my application though, to then allow me to add notes to it as I go through the process of teaching myself this stuff(so they can see my thought process) Mar 30 21:38:22 summatusmentis: it looks quite good, but i dont exactly know much :) Mar 30 21:38:36 btw, OpenMoko = Openmoko Mar 30 21:40:05 summatusmentis: You might want to mention OHM as something you'll look at as an example architecture Mar 30 21:40:28 OHM basically does what you want to do, however depends on HAL which mickey seems to have problems with Mar 30 21:40:43 http://ohm.freedesktop.org/ Mar 30 21:42:08 abraxa_: ok, thanks! See, that's part of my issue, I have no idea what's out there to look at, and googling doesn't get me projects like that(likely because I'm using terms incorrectly) Mar 30 21:42:31 cb22: thanks. The Project is listed as OpenMoko Inc. in the google form Mar 30 21:42:52 also, check out the wiki Mar 30 21:43:27 "There are specifications for this API will match that explained on www.freesmartphone.org." - that sounds a tad odd :) Mar 30 21:43:38 yeah, but it's undergoing renaming AFAIK Mar 30 21:44:34 speaking theoretically - is running arm code on the gta01 faster or slower than in qemu on an average desktop machine? Mar 30 21:45:01 qemu is wicked slow Mar 30 21:45:14 I need to natively compile and test code that needs tons of cpu power on arm platform - what to do? Mar 30 21:45:23 yeah, qemu _is_ slower Mar 30 21:45:29 kk great Mar 30 21:45:35 josch: cluster some neos :p Mar 30 21:45:40 waiting for my neo to finish the task on its own then Mar 30 21:45:41 and use distcc Mar 30 21:45:47 josch: Use distcc? Mar 30 21:45:51 cb22, if you can lend me yours I have two Mar 30 21:46:01 abraxa_, yeah with 100 neos or so :P Mar 30 21:46:14 or you could cheat and use a pc Mar 30 21:46:16 Nah, with a cross-compile environment on your desktop ;) Mar 30 21:46:19 with the arm compiler Mar 30 21:46:28 it's not only about the compilation Mar 30 21:46:35 Ah Mar 30 21:46:36 compilation only took an hour Mar 30 21:46:52 it's the sphinx search engine Mar 30 21:47:08 and it compiles fine but does not behave as it should on arm Mar 30 21:47:28 but indexing sth is a rather resource hungry process Mar 30 21:49:18 if you all now will lend me your devices to make a beowulf cluster out of them... :P Mar 30 21:49:49 summatusmentis: I wouldn't make such a big fuss about PulseAudio and instead just write that you were recommended to look at PulseAudio's architecture/plugin mechanism and that that's what you'll do as part of the API design phase Mar 30 21:50:14 abraxa_: what do you mean? you think I'm too wordy? Mar 30 21:50:54 In that paragraph, yeah, as it sounds like you'll just "copy" its architecture Mar 30 21:52:02 I'd just say that you'll have a look at OHM, PulseAudio and such projects to gain insight about a good API and good daemon design Mar 30 21:52:10 * summatusmentis bows down to abraxa_'s infinite knowledge :-) Mar 30 21:55:24 * cb22 nominates josch @ http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Member_of_the_Week Mar 30 21:57:18 cb22, lol nice :-D Mar 30 21:58:48 could it be that when under load the neo consumes more than 500mA that come from usb? Mar 30 22:00:08 josch: I'd be surprised if the S3C would consume so much Mar 30 22:00:39 damn... it has to be the usb cable... :-/ Mar 30 22:11:25 openmoko: 03thomas * r4269 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/gtkmenuitem: theme: fix GtkComboBox menu item colours Mar 30 22:11:39 bo yah Mar 30 22:11:49 * thos hopes that will please people Mar 30 22:36:05 hi all Mar 30 22:40:10 Hmm. Mar 30 22:40:21 http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=10&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.isuppli.com%2Fpdf%2FsubMDMT.pdf&ei=NRbwR523J4zUwQHQ1az7Dw&usg=AFQjCNGi9qOFTGXtKMMHyYLKKe1k7jriwg&sig2=9T2gy0lPCysotToJfBVHkw mobile phone display market study. Mar 30 22:40:27 Alas just the overview. Mar 30 22:42:30 does/can the mokomakefile build and run the lastest version of openmoko? Mar 30 22:43:39 yes Mar 30 22:43:45 well - not run Mar 30 22:43:47 just ubild Mar 30 22:43:48 build Mar 30 22:45:08 sweet Mar 30 22:45:33 then does make run-qemu run the latest version or a dated prebuilt version? Mar 30 22:45:41 ow. 'SiRF shares are down 80% this year, closing Thursday afternoon at $4.85 a share.' Mar 30 22:50:44 bmk789: yeah Mar 30 22:56:28 SpeedEvil / ScaredyCat / someone: who wrote the Phun-gameything? Mar 30 22:57:16 Ah - a question I can answer. Mar 30 22:57:19 I have no idea. Mar 30 22:57:47 Sorry :) Mar 30 23:00:12 mmm I just flashed a new image but opkg/ipkg have problems updating package lists... any pointer? Mar 30 23:00:22 zash: Phun-gameything? What's that? Mar 30 23:00:30 http://www.phun.at/ Mar 30 23:00:32 that one Mar 30 23:00:42 Ghiottone: Yeah, planet.openmoko.org - check ScaredyCat's post Mar 30 23:02:25 abraxa_, do you refer to renaming 2007.2 to OM-2007.2? I'm trying this immediately! Mar 30 23:03:28 Ghiottone: Not quite Mar 30 23:06:53 i want Phun on the neo with "gravity follows accelerometers"-option Mar 30 23:08:32 IMAGINE THE COOLNESS! Mar 30 23:09:47 I want inertial positioners with 'gravity follows touch'. The new revolution in personal transport! Mar 30 23:12:16 Did you mean: segway Mar 30 23:12:55 Ghiottone: What I mean is that the paths in the ipkg/opkg configs have changed - e.g. scaredycat.conf Mar 30 23:13:53 zash: that would be the coolest thing ever Mar 30 23:14:22 :D Mar 30 23:14:59 abraxa_, yeah, that was what I meant. I'm checking the *.conf files that are giving errors Mar 30 23:15:17 abraxa_, but opkg is complaining about missing .sig files?? Mar 30 23:15:42 Maybe thos knows Mar 30 23:16:57 uh wah? Mar 30 23:17:34 Ghiottone, that's because they're missing Mar 30 23:17:41 Ghiottone, it's not fatal though Mar 30 23:18:22 ah. so is opkg importing packages even if signature is missing? Mar 30 23:18:40 importing packages? Mar 30 23:19:11 importing packages lists, sorry. Mar 30 23:19:49 * Psi wonders why the latest ScaredyCat images never seem to start X Mar 30 23:20:50 mmm how long till we'll have an opkg search command like apt's one? Mar 30 23:22:40 Ghiottone, the signiture missing means it can't do a signiture check Mar 30 23:22:46 Ghiottone, so it warns you about that Mar 30 23:22:53 Ghiottone, what sort of search? Mar 30 23:23:10 thos, I got the point, thanks. Mar 30 23:23:21 thos, I mean apt-cache search Mar 30 23:23:32 Ghiottone, "opkg list|grep foo" has the same effect Mar 30 23:23:48 thos, it searches through package names and description (I think) Mar 30 23:23:55 oh Mar 30 23:24:03 Ghiottone, you can do that with the packagekit frontend Mar 30 23:24:11 pkcon search descriptiong foo Mar 30 23:24:11 thos, yeah, I used that. but apt-cache search seems more powerful afaics Mar 30 23:24:20 pkcon ? Mar 30 23:24:25 pkcon search name foo Mar 30 23:24:36 pkcon is the console client to packagekit Mar 30 23:25:29 abraxa_: ping Mar 30 23:25:58 summatusmentis: Yeah? Mar 30 23:26:11 thos, interesting... can I install it with opkg? Mar 30 23:26:34 abraxa_: will you check the pdf again? I made a number of edits/changes Mar 30 23:27:23 Ghiottone, is it not part of the default image yet? Mar 30 23:27:37 Ghiottone, the package name is "packagekit" Mar 30 23:29:12 summatusmentis: Yeah, sec Mar 30 23:29:33 whenever you've got time Mar 30 23:30:37 thos, not found Mar 30 23:31:28 my image is OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080327-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 Mar 30 23:34:56 Ghiottone, obviously not built yet then Mar 30 23:35:35 mmmm should I be able to install it with the right .conf files? Mar 30 23:36:02 no, not unless you have built it yourself Mar 30 23:36:10 or you find someone else who has built it Mar 30 23:39:12 * CVirus is dying for a GTA02 Mar 30 23:39:32 * cb22 is living for a GTA02 Mar 30 23:40:11 * SpeedEvil is eating shortbread for a GTA02. Mar 30 23:40:36 * cb22 would eat vegtables for one Mar 30 23:41:05 LOL Mar 30 23:41:15 heh Mar 30 23:41:18 it's not that exciting Mar 30 23:41:26 thos: o rly? Mar 30 23:41:29 it's just like gta01, but with less sucky power issues Mar 30 23:41:35 and wifi Mar 30 23:41:35 if you dont like yours, you can give it to me :p Mar 30 23:42:18 thos, less sucky power issue is an improvement I'd die for Mar 30 23:42:29 I wouldn't say I'd die for it Mar 30 23:42:44 thos: btw, i don't suppose you are by your gta02 now, have mplayer installed, and have a little free time? Mar 30 23:42:48 thos: the PM is more software. Mar 30 23:42:50 although some of the earlier GTA02 prototypes actually used to work without the battery at all Mar 30 23:43:03 thos, well in a metaforical sense, obviously. But it is what makes the Neo actually usable as a phone Mar 30 23:43:30 cb22, it's across the room, I don't have mplayer installed (on device) and it's nearly 1am so ... ;-) Mar 30 23:43:35 cb22, ask me again tomorrow Mar 30 23:43:59 SpeedEvil, the "i'm not going to work unless my battery has $percentage charge" wasn't a software issue Mar 30 23:44:01 hehe, no problem :) Mar 30 23:44:07 dcop crashed Mar 30 23:44:09 weird Mar 30 23:44:15 thos: oh Mar 30 23:44:43 thos: % measured how? Mar 30 23:45:09 SpeedEvil, dunno, but I'm guessing you've sat and waited for three hours for your gta01 to charge enough for it to boot many times ;-) Mar 30 23:45:19 I need to rewrite that damn patch. I've finally come to the conclusion that I've lost it. Mar 30 23:45:22 thos: nope. Mar 30 23:45:31 thos: For I have a lab PSU. Mar 30 23:45:39 SpeedEvil, cheat! Mar 30 23:46:08 I remember gta01bv2 only had a soldered together regulator Mar 30 23:46:13 that was classy Mar 30 23:46:19 at least no battery problems Mar 30 23:46:23 but it also had no case so, meh Mar 30 23:47:17 On a tangent - yesterday I saw a 15mm*15mm*2.5mm 30W PSU. Mar 30 23:47:20 Insane. Mar 30 23:47:26 woah, thats small Mar 30 23:47:33 can I write Java programs or OM ? Mar 30 23:47:34 1.8-5V out - up to 36 in Mar 30 23:47:35 i have one of those picoatx ones Mar 30 23:47:38 I've been learning Java at school Mar 30 23:47:50 this was a surface mount module integrating the inductor. Mar 30 23:47:54 i know java sucks donkey balls but I'm just asking Mar 30 23:47:55 from linear.com Mar 30 23:48:13 CVirus: actually, its worse then that Mar 30 23:48:17 true Mar 30 23:48:26 << also learning java at school Mar 30 23:48:50 python is far superior :) Mar 30 23:48:54 the dean of engineering faculty loves java .. so he decided that all student should learn it Mar 30 23:49:03 cb22: I prefer python over java for sure Mar 30 23:49:06 lol Mar 30 23:49:17 ruby is nice Mar 30 23:49:23 my ass Mar 30 23:49:25 :-p Mar 30 23:49:35 iduno if your ass is nice Mar 30 23:49:36 ;) Mar 30 23:49:40 lol Mar 30 23:49:46 Is it turing complete though. Mar 30 23:49:53 haha Mar 30 23:50:18 ruby ? Mar 30 23:50:20 :-p Mar 30 23:50:37 SpeedEvil: o rly? http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2008033349280.jpg Mar 30 23:50:49 * cb22 needs to get out of digg mode quick Mar 30 23:51:48 LOL Mar 30 23:51:51 nice one Mar 30 23:52:09 what's a turing test anyways ! Mar 30 23:52:19 :-p Mar 30 23:52:36 turing complete is seperate. Mar 30 23:53:08 yeah, but they sound oh so similar Mar 30 23:53:18 CVirus: http://www.ferg.org/projects/python_java_side-by-side.html Mar 30 23:53:20 All programming languages that are turing complete can express the same program - given sufficient memory Mar 30 23:53:38 cb22: saw that Mar 30 23:53:40 and bored - brainfcuk Mar 30 23:53:47 s/bored/boredom/ Mar 30 23:53:47 cb22 meant: and boredom - brainfcuk Mar 30 23:54:00 The turing test is to be given two people chatting to you on IRC, and to pick which is the computer. Mar 30 23:54:00 ah .... turing machines Mar 30 23:55:02 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test Mar 30 23:57:37 bed time ... good night people Mar 30 23:57:47 chers Mar 30 23:57:52 cheerS* Mar 31 01:00:30 hi!!! Mar 31 01:01:09 someone can help me to install openmoko in palm tx?? please.... Mar 31 01:01:40 you need drivers, and a way to get linux to boot Mar 31 01:01:48 it's kind of an extensive process Mar 31 01:02:58 i have cocoboot in my tx, the "tx kernel" in the Sd Root and the image on the /linux directory in the sd...but don't works Mar 31 01:03:59 I know very little about getting it to boot on palm devices, sorry Mar 31 01:04:21 no problem... Mar 31 01:04:31 thanks Mar 31 01:05:22 someone else have a comment?? please.... Mar 31 01:09:21 please..i need help Mar 31 01:10:46 luchifer: where did you get the image? Mar 31 01:11:27 hi!! here http://zefanja.blogspot.com/ Mar 31 01:12:39 I imagine googling "linux palm tx" might yield some results... Mar 31 01:13:19 The first few results seem promising. Mar 31 01:13:25 In fact the second result mentions openmoko Mar 31 01:13:39 and there's even YouTube videos showing linux booting on a palm tx. Mar 31 01:13:39 :| Mar 31 01:13:41 i tried that, but the information for openmoko in palm tx is not the best Mar 31 01:15:19 http://old.hackndev.com/node/701 Mar 31 01:15:24 is this where you went? Mar 31 01:16:17 Since they're the ones that originally got it working on palm tx, I think you'd have better luck emailing them with questions. Mar 31 01:16:42 Most people here are mostly focused on running OpenMoko on the FIC neo platform. Mar 31 01:16:55 At least as far as I know, I've only been here for a very short time. :) Mar 31 01:18:18 I think that's pretty fair to say :) Mar 31 01:18:50 ok, i try with them..thank!!!!! Mar 31 02:08:12 Hey, can't find it on the wiki... Apprx. how much non-volatile storage is the FreeRunner going to have? Any idea? Mar 31 02:08:44 128M Mar 31 02:08:52 but you can jam a 6G microSD in there Mar 31 02:08:58 or are 8 available now. Mar 31 02:09:55 much higher than that even Mar 31 02:09:58 16gb Mar 31 02:10:03 not sure about 32 Mar 31 02:10:04 Is there any way to preorder a Freerunner? Mar 31 02:10:33 Sweet. I hope I can get one. :D Mar 31 02:11:10 Will it be able to double as an MP3/OGG player or the like? (I don't really see why not...) Mar 31 02:11:38 And will it have some sort of headphone port? Mar 31 02:11:48 yes,yes Mar 31 02:11:56 2.5mm I think Mar 31 02:12:44 2.5mm... Is that the usual size? :P Mar 31 02:13:06 nope Mar 31 02:14:02 Ahh. Mar 31 02:14:43 It's one of the common sizes - less common than 3.5mm Mar 31 02:14:57 And I know the wiki says prices aren't settled yet, but does anyone have a ballpark? Mar 31 02:15:09 I heard $400 Mar 31 02:15:38 Hmmm. Probably well out of my range. :( Mar 31 02:16:06 I've been saving up all year for this thing Mar 31 02:16:19 I better get one before the release gets dugg Mar 31 02:16:22 Digital_Pioneer: most smartphones cost about that much, they just get subsidized by carriers Mar 31 02:16:42 Yeah... I don't have any income though (I'm just a highschool junior, I don't have a job! :P ) so what can I save? :\ Mar 31 02:17:02 Sell your kidney Mar 31 02:17:38 Digital_Pioneer: well, there is that issue :-) Mar 31 02:17:45 I've been there once Mar 31 02:17:55 mboldisc: I tried, but they said you should only sell one. ;p Mar 31 02:18:02 lol Mar 31 02:22:28 summatusmentis: Well, then you just need to be sympathetic to the poor kid and buy him a FreeRunner when they're done. ;P Mar 31 02:23:34 Digital_Pioneer: lol, I'm a college freshman, I don't just have money to throw around Mar 31 02:24:03 summatusmentis: You're further along than I am. ;) Mar 31 02:24:51 lol, yeah, but you're not paying to go to school Mar 31 02:26:08 True. :P Mar 31 02:49:14 are there any more interesting game packages available for the neo? shareware doom1 etc :P **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 31 03:00:02 2008