**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 05 02:59:57 2008 Apr 05 05:15:10 good morning Apr 05 05:19:07 Hopscotch, good morning Apr 05 05:23:15 Howdy all :) Apr 05 06:15:45 it's so late :/ Apr 05 06:20:13 ah! early in the morning! Apr 05 06:20:43 hrm... quicksand is still not there Apr 05 06:21:05 mid afternoon here :) Apr 05 06:21:25 josch: well, yes, I guess it is technically morning Apr 05 06:21:34 hehe Apr 05 06:21:41 it's morning everytime here ^^ Apr 05 06:21:53 lol Apr 05 06:22:06 goodnight guys Apr 05 06:23:42 hehe Apr 05 06:24:08 cya Apr 05 06:28:17 phones shown at CITIA this year were pretty ho-hum Apr 05 06:41:17 only thin interesting is Windows mobile 6.2 should have a proper browser so web pages dont look like crap Apr 05 06:41:21 thing* Apr 05 06:41:41 due out later this year though Apr 05 06:43:19 CTIA* Apr 05 07:16:31 pff... Apr 05 07:16:47 rly NOBODY is awake in ANY channel I'm in... Apr 05 07:16:54 * SpeedEvil is! Apr 05 07:16:58 \o/ Apr 05 07:17:04 * SpeedEvil places a pancake on joschs head. Apr 05 07:17:17 wohoo! pencake! ^^ Apr 05 07:41:17 yoink! Apr 05 07:43:09 michael shiloh was supposed to be talking to someone called steve about a status update, anyone heard anything about that? Apr 05 07:45:46 not me Apr 05 07:46:00 MichaelShiloh: any updates ? Apr 05 08:04:54 ~seen MichaelShiloh Apr 05 08:04:55 michaelshiloh is currently on #openmoko (1h 38m 17s), last said: 'greetins, mwester'. Apr 05 08:48:56 how to make init image for openmoko on qemu Apr 05 09:22:38 good morning :) Apr 05 09:38:31 ccfly: morning Apr 05 13:00:12 lo all Apr 05 13:00:51 hmm chan has been dead all day it seems Apr 05 13:03:13 eh? Apr 05 13:03:17 netsplit? Apr 05 13:03:25 a big fat one Apr 05 13:06:23 and again... Apr 05 13:10:04 netsurf3: whaddaya mean, day? I just got up! Apr 05 13:10:29 2pm Apr 05 13:10:32 here :P Apr 05 13:11:22 yeah, I know. It's not even a littel bit funny, but I'm still groggy Apr 05 13:11:29 s/littel/little/ Apr 05 13:11:29 wurp2|gone meant: yeah, I know. It's not even a little bit funny, but I'm still groggy Apr 05 13:14:32 having proved myself a groggy oaf, I'm off again. Have a good afternoone! Apr 05 13:14:37 s/noone/noon/ Apr 05 13:14:37 wurp2|gone meant: having proved myself a groggy oaf, I'm off again. Have a good afternoon! Apr 05 13:38:11 anyone here good with python and gtk? Apr 05 13:41:39 specify *good* Apr 05 13:42:03 josch: have you looked through settingsgiui? Apr 05 13:42:07 settingsgui* Apr 05 13:42:31 cb22, it's hosted on my server :P Apr 05 13:42:52 hehe, you code it? Apr 05 13:43:01 no Apr 05 13:43:11 it's kristian-m who wrote it Apr 05 13:44:50 ok, well, could you explain the difference: http://pastebin.com/m4fe2e454 Apr 05 13:45:14 or http://pastebin.com/m684f8da6 for a nicer coloured version Apr 05 13:45:50 both work, and settings gui is much slower? Apr 05 13:46:03 (it's waiting 500ms from what i gather) Apr 05 13:47:24 lol what does the youplay do there? Apr 05 13:47:40 it starts :) Apr 05 13:49:06 kristian-m, customers!! Apr 05 13:49:29 huh? Apr 05 13:49:38 also, have a look at http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/client/?root=youplay Apr 05 13:50:11 yeah i looked into it recently Apr 05 13:50:46 that's from 40 seconds ago =) its just puzzling me, why does settings gui do so much? Apr 05 13:50:54 gui do so much? Apr 05 13:51:32 ?? Apr 05 13:53:06 josch: like, to start itself up, it uses gobject, threads, waiting, etc Apr 05 13:53:10 15:53 < cb22> josch: like, to start itself up, it uses gobject, threads, waiting, etc Apr 05 13:53:14 argh Apr 05 13:53:16 stupid mouse Apr 05 13:54:02 ^^ Apr 05 13:55:01 your two pastes look the same? Apr 05 13:55:07 whats the point? Apr 05 13:55:52 josch: i know, they are the same Apr 05 13:56:00 look at the one under ### Me: Apr 05 13:56:06 then compare to ## SettingsGUI: Apr 05 13:56:28 why does settings gui do that extra stuff? Apr 05 14:01:12 oh NOW i understand what you want to compare ^^ Apr 05 14:02:05 hrm... all he has more is the threading isnt it? Apr 05 14:02:27 yeah, I also see no difference exepct the enabling of gtk-threading Apr 05 14:03:17 hmm, thought so Apr 05 14:03:24 and the gobject.timeout? Apr 05 14:03:53 sets up a timed or repeated event Apr 05 14:07:59 this timeout_add is to update the gui every 500ms Apr 05 14:08:44 can anyone tell what does /sys/devices/platform/s3c24xx-spi-gpio.1/spi0.0/state respond to in the newer builds? Apr 05 14:08:50 from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Video_Player Apr 05 14:18:43 ahven: since you are in a video player mood, do you feel like trying out gstreamer for me :)? Apr 05 14:19:00 sure, why not .9 Apr 05 14:19:46 thanks :) could you install gstreamer, gstreamer-ffmpeg Apr 05 14:20:36 omg Apr 05 14:20:50 could it be that due to yestersays downtime some wiki edits got lost? Apr 05 14:23:24 hmmhmm Apr 05 14:23:26 cb22: Apr 05 14:23:28 root@om-gta01:~# opkg install gstreamer-ffmpeg Apr 05 14:23:28 Nothing to be done Apr 05 14:23:28 An error ocurred, return value: 4. Apr 05 14:23:28 Collected errors: Apr 05 14:23:28 Cannot find package gstreamer-ffmpeg. Apr 05 14:23:34 gstreamer is uptodate Apr 05 14:23:47 did update the repos at first Apr 05 14:24:19 hmm, ok. do you still have nocabac.mkv on your neo? Apr 05 14:25:35 yep Apr 05 14:25:58 try: gst-launch playbin uri=file://(insert path to file here) Apr 05 14:27:57 and if that doesnt work, try opkg install gst-plugin-matroska gst-plugin-vorbis gst-plugin-playbin gst-plugin-h264parse Apr 05 14:28:19 ERROR: from element /playbin0: Invalid URI "file:/nocabac.mkv". Apr 05 14:28:25 symlinked it to / Apr 05 14:28:36 add in two more '/' Apr 05 14:28:49 like uri=file:///nocabac.mkv Apr 05 14:28:51 ok, missing plugins Apr 05 14:29:16 ok, could you try installing those ones i mentioned above? Apr 05 14:29:56 root@om-gta01:/media/card# gst-launch playbin uri=file:////nocabac.mkv Apr 05 14:29:56 Setting pipeline to PAUSED ... Apr 05 14:29:56 Pipeline is PREROLLING ... Apr 05 14:29:56 ** Message: don't know how to handle video/x-h264, codec_data=(buffer)014d4033ffe10016674d40339a738508d080000003008000000f478c193c01000468ee3c80, width=(int)160, height=(int)128, pixel-aspect-ratio=(fraction)1/1, framerate=(fraction)500000000/33333333 Apr 05 14:29:57 Pipeline is PREROLLED ... Apr 05 14:29:59 Setting pipeline to PLAYING ... Apr 05 14:30:01 New clock: GstAudioSinkClock Apr 05 14:30:05 exported DISPLAY to :0.0 Apr 05 14:30:16 no video output Apr 05 14:30:23 but sound? Apr 05 14:30:25 skippy audio only Apr 05 14:31:03 maybe try install gst-plugins-ffmpeg Apr 05 14:31:31 or gst-ffmpeg Apr 05 14:33:32 root@om-gta01:/media/card# opkg search *ffmpeg* Apr 05 14:33:32 gst-plugin-ffmpegcolorspace - 0.10.17-r2 - /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstffmpegcolorspace.so Apr 05 14:35:44 :( oh well, there goes that idea. thanks for the help! Apr 05 14:43:28 * SpeedEvil ponders http://online.vodafone.co.uk/dispatch/Portal/appmanager/vodafone/wrp?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=template04&pageID=MB_0001&WT_ref=INT-PSHOP-310108-Home-AbtVFAtHome-02 Apr 05 14:44:37 how much do you think you could buy that modem standalone for? Apr 05 14:44:51 * cb22 thinks of freerunner + hsdpa Apr 05 14:44:59 cbrake_away: doesn't matter. Apr 05 14:45:14 doesnt matter? Apr 05 14:45:17 cb22: you can't - in the UK - get IP access without a modem. Apr 05 14:45:46 At least AFAIK Apr 05 14:46:14 be interested to see a speed test on the uplink on these mobile broadband solutions Apr 05 14:47:57 they tend to be very symmetrical Apr 05 14:48:02 SpeedEvil: huh? Apr 05 14:48:10 zedstar: are you missing an a? Apr 05 14:48:18 opps yeh a Apr 05 14:48:55 SpeedEvil: n otherwords, i'd want to buy one of those sticks, then get a sim card here (south africa) and use it Apr 05 14:49:10 but it looks like you can only get them with a contract :( Apr 05 14:49:15 cb22: Well - not quite. Apr 05 14:49:18 no sim card though for this price Apr 05 14:49:50 cbrake_away: the 30 day contract is 99 quid for the modem (though not the little one) and 20 quid for the minimum months service Apr 05 14:50:30 I don't know if you'd have to pay an unlock fee. Apr 05 14:50:48 i find all the mobile plans limited for what i want to do....id wud like to listen to internet radio etc and im soon gonna hit their caps Apr 05 14:51:24 SpeedEvil: maybe the best would be to find the dodgy factory in taiwan that makes them?> Apr 05 14:51:35 Doesn't say. Apr 05 14:51:58 zedstar: yeah - the fundmental problem with that is that they've got limited capacity. Apr 05 14:52:28 speedevil yeh i keep toying with the idea of a contract but it is frustrating locking myself into that crap Apr 05 14:52:45 the reality is we are shafted Apr 05 14:53:09 anyone know where to get a usb hsdpa modem for cheap? Apr 05 14:53:11 maybe wimax might bring down some prices in competition if it takes off Apr 05 14:53:32 I also have the problem that my credit score is negative infinity. Apr 05 14:54:25 Due to ill health meaning I became unable to pay my credit card and got bank overdraft problems leading to termination of the account. Apr 05 14:54:36 So contracts are kind of hard to get. Apr 05 14:55:16 well the prepaid options got better at least Apr 05 14:55:40 yeah - 3 is offering 10 quid a month - effectively - with 65 quid modem Apr 05 14:56:56 10-15 pounds sounds reasonable Apr 05 14:57:24 nope, nooo motivation to do networking code today Apr 05 14:57:46 * SpeedEvil gets out the channel motivation whip. Apr 05 15:00:48 yesterday i tried to get some inside info on trolltech - nokia aquisition but failed.... was curious to see if there was a plan Apr 05 15:02:16 Nobody expects the Finnish aquisition! Apr 05 15:02:39 :D Apr 05 15:02:52 * facepalm Apr 05 15:03:10 was kinda curious to see if it was an attempt to get gsm stack into maemo but i think not.....more likely that qt development for symbian coming Apr 05 15:03:46 zedstar, that's the party line at least Apr 05 15:10:23 u can do qt dev on windows ce apparently also...didnt know that Apr 05 15:22:00 Would it be of any use for OpenMoko if I learned ARM assembly ? Apr 05 15:22:19 I'm learning MIPS assembly at school and thought of learning assembly for another architecture Apr 05 15:27:49 To a very limited extent Apr 05 15:34:44 SpeedEvil: I wonder why Apr 05 15:35:24 Very little coding is done in asm Apr 05 15:36:49 hmm Apr 05 15:37:16 I wonder if assembly is useful in any way ? Apr 05 15:37:17 :-D Apr 05 15:40:11 no harm doing it on an undergrad course tho as good way to get an understanding of computer architecture Apr 05 15:41:11 won't I be able to write a cool looking OS with assembly ? Apr 05 15:41:12 Yes. Apr 05 15:41:14 like minute OS ? Apr 05 15:41:17 Sure. Apr 05 15:41:29 It's just it typically takes longer than high level languages. Apr 05 15:41:49 A knowledge of assembly can help with optimisation. Apr 05 15:41:55 * cb22 curses gtk.DrawingArea Apr 05 15:41:57 But that's a small part of it. Apr 05 15:42:03 Menuet OS* Apr 05 15:42:19 CVirus: quick, go out there and make a h264 decoder thats 4 times quicker then anything out there for arm :) Apr 05 15:42:21 To really do ooptimisation, you need to understand the physical machine. Apr 05 15:43:17 For example. What's the RAM latency? What's a cacheline? How many cachelines are there in the cache? How fast is a random access to an unaligned 32 bit quantity that's not in cache? Apr 05 15:43:59 sounds interesting Apr 05 15:44:38 ~lart SpeedEvil for knowing too much Apr 05 15:44:38 * apt raises middle finger to SpeedEvil for knowing too much Apr 05 15:44:44 I wonder how much time did it take this guy http://www.menuetos.net/ Apr 05 15:45:10 And then there are the hideous problems of CPUs with more than one core. Apr 05 15:46:35 The neo CPU is actually dead simple as 'modern' loads go. Apr 05 15:47:00 http://theregoesdave.com/2008/04/04/power-play-android-and-skype/ Apr 05 15:47:08 err Apr 05 15:47:10 modern CPUs Apr 05 15:50:47 reading that article i dont get it.....what is the VOIP gonna go over? Apr 05 15:51:29 RFC1149 Apr 05 15:52:52 lol speedevil Apr 05 15:52:58 i love that rfc Apr 05 15:53:41 hehe Apr 05 15:54:02 i saw ping implemented over carrier pigeon somewhere also Apr 05 15:54:17 well Apr 05 15:54:27 there are a lot of WLANs out there Apr 05 15:54:59 i think if android becomes skype exclusive, it will seriously affect which handset ppl will buy Apr 05 15:55:31 but can already do skype over WLAN on phones not sure the big deal here? Apr 05 15:56:32 CVirus: Learning more than one assembly language is an excellent way to understand some of the architectural differences between processors vs things all processors have in common -- but I suspect you'll find more in common between MIPS and ARM, so I'd suggest x86 instead. Apr 05 15:57:59 unless google start subsidising minutes for calls to landlines Apr 05 16:00:11 mwester: I see Apr 05 16:04:06 I430 Apr 05 16:04:13 * SpeedEvil wonders if I've remembered that right. Apr 05 16:04:16 The OOP one. Apr 05 16:23:03 howdy Apr 05 16:23:17 lol Stephmw ! Apr 05 16:58:05 where is the 'correct' place to store settigns on om? gconf? Apr 05 16:58:25 think so Apr 05 16:59:37 thanks, i also assume apps shouldnt take for granted that the screen will be 480x640? Apr 05 17:07:33 should not Apr 05 17:08:18 First, even on the neo it's rotateable. Second, hopefully other devices will come. Heck, FIC's other OM device, that navigator thingy, already has a different resolution... Apr 05 17:09:00 cb22: how you deal with different resolutions is up to you though, iirc Apr 05 17:09:15 cb22: placeholder layouts, layour managers, scalable UIs, etc Apr 05 18:52:09 it's.... Apr 05 18:52:14 oh so quiet.... Apr 05 18:52:18 shhhh ssshhh Apr 05 18:52:22 btw Apr 05 18:52:24 . Apr 05 18:52:28 haiku-os is impressive. Apr 05 18:52:28 moo Apr 05 18:52:35 xcasex_: yeah, i agree Apr 05 18:53:04 installed it onto a spare thinkpad i have, works alright for a pre-alpha os. about the same reliability as osx 10.0 Apr 05 18:53:07 i.e none Apr 05 18:53:11 but impressive nonetheless Apr 05 18:53:12 brb Apr 05 18:53:43 lol Apr 05 18:57:21 meh, screenshots don't look that exciting Apr 05 18:57:52 hehe Apr 05 18:58:04 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/f95af325b69c7082e54c0d53ddd5f1ac.png is my favourite Apr 05 18:58:25 oh, no I meant screenshots of haiku-os Apr 05 18:58:33 I'm excited for OpenMoko :) Apr 05 18:59:02 and mickeyl is coming back soon :) Apr 05 19:02:20 is he no longer snowed in? Apr 05 19:02:26 mickeyl is probably signed up with some random nick, checking out who's lying in wait for him before he shows up. :p :D Apr 05 19:04:59 MichaelShiloh <--- Apr 05 19:05:37 mwester: :D I hope not, because then he's never coming back Apr 05 19:09:50 summatusmentis: actually he is eating his perpetual dinner again Apr 05 19:09:56 check back in 5 years Apr 05 19:11:22 lol Apr 05 19:21:32 go figure, I did manage to motivate myself enough to do a part of the receiving end of a diffing proxy... Apr 05 19:21:41 we'll see how tomorrow goes Apr 05 19:22:01 there's the uncomfortable matter that I almost certainly won't be productizing this thing Apr 05 19:48:30 shame mjr Apr 05 19:53:20 so does the openmoko work in the UK Apr 05 19:53:29 yes Apr 05 19:53:34 and whens the freerunner out? i cant find a release date Apr 05 19:53:36 the neo does Apr 05 19:53:36 thank u btw Apr 05 19:53:52 we're waiting for hte announcement Apr 05 19:54:05 de in April, possibly later Apr 05 19:54:07 ok, the moko site seemed like it was down earlier today Apr 05 19:54:18 hope its april Apr 05 19:54:49 yeah, we're all waiting... :) Apr 05 19:54:58 :D thanks for the info Apr 05 19:55:06 np Apr 05 20:19:05 ScaredyCat: there were two criteria listed before they released, do we know the status of those two criteria? Apr 05 20:19:21 the DVT and the PVT Apr 05 20:21:20 NOTE: Unpacking /usr/src/moko/sources/trunk_svn.o-hand.com_.repos.eds-dbus_659_.tar.gz to /usr/src/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/eds-dbus-1.4.0+svnr659-r7/ Apr 05 20:21:23 tar: /usr/src/moko/sources/trunk_svn.o-hand.com_.repos.eds-dbus_659_.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory Apr 05 20:21:45 anyone know where to grab the file? Apr 05 20:22:00 and where to put it? Apr 05 20:24:49 which was the price of P1? Apr 05 20:34:13 summatusmentis: dunno... Apr 05 20:34:32 Cap_J_L_Picard: just uploaded them to my buildhost for you Apr 05 20:34:34 oh ok Apr 05 21:26:06 need.... freerunner... info... Apr 05 21:26:31 hehe Apr 05 21:26:37 !seen quicksand Apr 05 21:26:39 quicksand (i=3f51a178@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-07598142a380e9e8) was last seen quitting from #openmoko 1 day, 2 hours, 15 minutes ago stating ({"http://www.mibbit.com} ajax IRC Client\"). Apr 05 21:26:46 hrm... Apr 05 21:26:48 paul0: $300 USD for the basic kit (no debug board) Apr 05 21:26:59 on a sidenote, i finally figured out how to play video with pygtk and mplayer Apr 05 21:27:03 retardedly easy Apr 05 21:27:21 pygtk and *mplayer*? Apr 05 21:27:33 wurp2|gone, thanks, i've found in the FAQ too ;) Apr 05 21:27:37 python + gtk + mplayer Apr 05 21:27:39 paul0: np :-) Apr 05 21:27:57 cb22: Weird, I didn't know mplayer had any kind of support for being embedded Apr 05 21:28:08 wurp2|gone: its actually amazingly simple Apr 05 21:28:11 Unless you're just using a gtk gui to kick off mplayer, which then takes over Apr 05 21:28:16 wurp2|gone, do you know if neorunner will have 3G? Apr 05 21:28:22 it will not Apr 05 21:28:23 i mean, 3g support Apr 05 21:28:27 you see all widgets have an xid Apr 05 21:28:38 cb22: ...unless you actually want to *control* an embedded mplayer instance from the embedding app. Apr 05 21:28:41 and mplayer can take over this xid if you use the -wid option Apr 05 21:28:43 gprs & that other one, even slower Apr 05 21:28:55 abraxa_: slave mode + -wid Apr 05 21:29:03 cb22: Cool! Apr 05 21:29:04 cb22: Slave mode freaking sucks, sorry Apr 05 21:29:14 abraxa_: Is it just slow? Apr 05 21:29:21 nope, its just crap Apr 05 21:29:41 that is not very informative :-( Apr 05 21:29:55 wurp2|gone: What's slow? Slave mode? Or playback? Apr 05 21:29:56 hehe, i dont know why it sucks, i hear it just does Apr 05 21:30:11 try do things more advanced then normal playback / pausing Apr 05 21:30:55 sweet, there are even python bindings for youtube! Apr 05 21:31:13 abraxa_: I don't know. I am trying to find out why you say slave mode sucks Apr 05 21:32:35 you know one thing my youtube player is going to have that the iphone one doesnt? options :p Apr 05 21:33:17 Has anyone tried the task list with a recent release? Apr 05 21:33:24 Because it doesn't even try to come up on mine Apr 05 21:33:45 lets say you want to hear a song, and they have the music video on youtube... well, you could watch it through my normal transcoding server right, and get 35kbit/s video and 12kbit/s vorbis audio Apr 05 21:34:10 wurp2|gone: One reason it sucks is that you can't even do simple OSD messages. You also *can* rotate the output so the video is displayed in landscape mode but the progress bar is rendered as if the video were in portrait mode. Hence, it's vertical. There's also zero granularity on which items you want to have shown with the progress bar and there is no way for you to find out what the current volume is. Tons of stuff that made me cringe wh Apr 05 21:34:10 en I tried embedding it into the media player. Apr 05 21:34:13 or you could click a magic button, and only the audio would be encoded. 40kb/s vorbis is pretty devent Apr 05 21:34:49 abraxa_: meh :/ i dont suppose its been updated since then? Apr 05 21:35:19 all that i've used of it so far is 'pause' Apr 05 21:35:23 abraxa_: That's odd... some of that stuff seems like it would be easy to add Apr 05 21:36:27 cb22: To be fair I haven't checked but reading the slave mode docs it seems that people just implement the stuff they need for their own projects - and I didn't feel like dealing with mplayer at the time and push these features upstream Apr 05 21:37:29 Has anyone tried video with gstreamer? Apr 05 21:37:34 Just checked... you can now get volume Apr 05 21:37:47 wurp2|gone: yeah, sortof Apr 05 21:37:55 And yes, I did... it's so slow that I needed to resort to mplayer :) Apr 05 21:38:08 gstreamer's video I/O is not optimized for ARM at all Apr 05 21:38:16 ok, good to know ;-) Apr 05 21:38:20 i dont suppose there is a screenshot of a neo xrandr'ed into horizontal mode at all? Apr 05 21:38:27 or could someone upload one please? Apr 05 21:38:40 Anything you want it to show in particular? Apr 05 21:38:47 What app do you want to see in horizontal mode? Apr 05 21:39:00 They have all looked surprisingly (to me) good in horiz mode Apr 05 21:39:08 just the main menu would be fine Apr 05 21:39:13 or maybe the main menu and an app Apr 05 21:39:16 some are certainly not perfect, but more looked right than I expected Apr 05 21:39:25 Flashing mine atm Apr 05 21:39:42 btw, i'm thinking, wouldnt it make more sense to have the tabs on the left / right when in horiz mode? not sure if it does this atm Apr 05 21:40:03 The lack of ipkg fubared my post-flash script, and converting it to opkg is an abysmal failure so far Apr 05 21:40:52 josch: you seen http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/56c51a65150850527556fe8c1811caea.png ? Apr 05 21:41:16 cb22, of course! Marcel_M posted it Apr 05 21:41:34 i now even have a *working* tar :-D Apr 05 21:41:53 heh, why wasnt it working? Apr 05 21:42:07 dont know Apr 05 21:42:12 quicksand tried it out Apr 05 21:42:16 it didnt work for him Apr 05 21:42:27 but i didnt test the tar i uploaded either Apr 05 21:42:34 and there was some little error in it Apr 05 21:42:51 and since i'm too much of a perfectionist i did a new build, tar'd and tested it Apr 05 21:43:02 now it works for sure [tm] Apr 05 21:47:14 ScaredyCat: Thanks Apr 05 21:47:25 ScaredyCat / thos: where could i find your simpler gtk theme? Apr 05 21:50:07 cb22: You could install a ScaredyCat image... Apr 05 21:50:19 wurp2|gone: on my qemu? :p Apr 05 21:50:46 its fine though, found the bug for it :) Apr 05 21:51:23 sure Apr 05 21:51:36 cb22: there's a link to mine on my blog Apr 05 21:54:01 cb22, you have no neo?? Apr 05 21:54:08 josch: nope :( Apr 05 21:54:13 omg! Apr 05 21:54:15 :-( Apr 05 21:54:33 lol, why do you think i'm asking everyone for help :) Apr 05 21:55:15 cb22, hey you cant imagine how many questions you will have when you finally have a neo :P Apr 05 21:55:32 s/neo/freerunner/ :p Apr 05 21:55:45 hrm kk Apr 05 21:55:52 * josch still prefers gta01 :P Apr 05 21:56:47 so, anyone with a neo, python and mplayer feel like running a program? Apr 05 21:57:09 josch: has both? Apr 05 21:57:16 cb22: sure Apr 05 21:57:31 although mplayer doesn't really work on the 01 on recent releases Apr 05 21:57:35 s/really // Apr 05 21:57:35 wurp2|gone meant: although mplayer doesn't work on the 01 on recent releases Apr 05 21:57:38 wurp2|gone, no but i prefer the simplicity of framebuffer graphics oer the glamo in gta02 Apr 05 21:58:20 cb22, i would try it out if i were running openmoko ^^ Apr 05 21:58:31 i suspect you have a ipkg? Apr 05 21:58:47 not yet, still at the tarball stage :( Apr 05 21:58:55 oh then it's no problem Apr 05 21:59:05 i can apt-get install mplayer and see what it gives Apr 05 21:59:08 ah wait Apr 05 21:59:18 still compiling efl on it ^^ Apr 05 22:00:27 what is the best -vo? sdl? Apr 05 22:02:48 ok, here are my simple install instructions: get http://cb22.za.net/videos/youplay.tbz and extract it somewhere. then fetch http://cb22.za.net/videos/nocabac.mkv and put it in /tmp Apr 05 22:03:35 next, cd to where you extract it to, and run python youplayer. you will need python, and gtk and threading Apr 05 22:03:48 josch: wait - are you actually compiling efl ON the neo? Apr 05 22:03:53 hehehhe Apr 05 22:03:57 cb22: I used fbdev, even though that's not "proper" Apr 05 22:04:09 but it works [tm] Apr 05 22:04:50 abraxa_: hmmm, but could you embed it with -wid? Apr 05 22:04:52 is there a different package I should be installing instead of gpsd? Apr 05 22:05:15 'cause gpsd has been busted for a long time Apr 05 22:05:35 cb22: I only used it in fullscreen mode - everything else required scaling which totally destroyed performance Apr 05 22:06:55 abraxa_: yeah, i could imagine. although in the test ahven did, it can play back 160x128 scaled to 320x240 Apr 05 22:07:05 *coughs* Apr 05 22:07:08 thats h264 and vorbis Apr 05 22:07:27 Why scale 160x128 to 320x240 when you can play a 320x240 natively? :) Apr 05 22:07:42 Well, I guess GPRS would be a reason but otherwise.. Apr 05 22:07:50 abraxa_: cause a 160x128 scaled to 320x240 looks better then a 320x240 Apr 05 22:08:08 and GPRS is not a reason, its THE reason Apr 05 22:08:09 Euh? Apr 05 22:08:19 Oh, I see what you mean Apr 05 22:08:33 160x128 at higher bandwidth vs 320x240 with lower bandwidth Apr 05 22:08:35 sorry, i muddled up that sentance Apr 05 22:08:37 yeah Apr 05 22:08:43 its a quater the size Apr 05 22:08:48 Yeah Apr 05 22:10:40 also, do you know how 320x240 mode (should) works? Apr 05 22:13:22 It should work with xrandr by now Apr 05 22:13:48 Before, you'd need some "manual tweaking" via sysfs :) Apr 05 22:14:34 hehe yeah, so when you resize, is it like changing the res on your screen? Apr 05 22:14:45 or i read somewhere that it gives you the top left 320x240? Apr 05 22:14:52 Nope, it's full-screen :) Apr 05 22:19:04 gotta go play D&D, later guys ;-) Apr 05 22:19:19 cheers Apr 05 22:19:29 i'm off to bed too, night everyone Apr 05 22:22:15 hi Apr 05 22:22:23 anyone can help me with gsmd a bit ? Apr 05 22:23:28 my device's modem doesnt like getting "\r"s as standalone writes Apr 05 22:23:38 shall I patch atcmd.c or what ? Apr 05 22:23:47 give up hope? Apr 05 22:23:47 :) Apr 05 22:24:10 I got to point there I can dial using at commands Apr 05 22:24:16 Im not giving up, damned :E~ Apr 05 22:24:33 Marex, what device are you using? Apr 05 22:24:33 \r\n is used to wake up the modem from sleep in AT mode Apr 05 22:24:44 sounds like this needs to be factored out into the device plugins Apr 05 22:25:01 [not that it would matter when using the MUXer though...] Apr 05 22:25:03 mickeyl, I dont mean \r\n Apr 05 22:25:36 I mean eg. ATZ (gets written to tty) and \r (gets written to tty) Apr 05 22:25:38 separatelly Apr 05 22:25:56 and since I have line discipline driver there, it causes problems Apr 05 22:26:01 where and how is \r getting written? Apr 05 22:26:12 s/how/why/ Apr 05 22:26:13 mickeyl meant: where and why is \r getting written? Apr 05 22:26:24 atcmd.c line 522 Apr 05 22:26:37 ah ... no idea Apr 05 22:26:53 every AT command should be terminated with 'r Apr 05 22:26:53 * ScaredyCat spies a rare creature .... the mickeyl !! Apr 05 22:26:53 heh, interesting. Apr 05 22:26:55 \r Apr 05 22:26:59 that is correct Apr 05 22:26:59 hi ScaredyCat Apr 05 22:27:10 but it shouldnt be sent separatelly Apr 05 22:27:11 zomg mickeyl! Apr 05 22:27:13 escaped the snow mickeyl? Apr 05 22:27:19 how was austria? Apr 05 22:27:26 or australia :p Apr 05 22:27:34 it probably doesnt make problems when there is no line discipline driver Apr 05 22:27:43 but with it it's troublesome Apr 05 22:27:44 Marex: interesting. if it's mandatory that it's getting written in one chunk it could be a bug. Apr 05 22:28:02 ScaredyCat: yeah. it stopped snowing on friday... just in time for the ride back today Apr 05 22:28:23 we missed you :) Apr 05 22:28:24 cb22: yep, austria. cold, but nice. a week without connectivity is very relaxing Apr 05 22:28:28 ScaredyCat: thanks :) Apr 05 22:28:42 mickeyl, well the line discipline driver encapsulates it in format the modem accepts Apr 05 22:29:38 Marex: can you use +CMUX? Apr 05 22:29:49 perhaps it works in muxing mode Apr 05 22:30:03 Marex: say, don't you own a h6300 :) Apr 05 22:30:06 sure, there is some strange multiplexing going on Apr 05 22:30:32 cb22, htc beetles - ericsson DB2011 gsm chip Apr 05 22:33:25 cb22, what where you blaming me for? Apr 05 22:33:35 mickeyl, hang on, gotta reboot Apr 05 22:34:07 thos: world hunger Apr 05 22:34:25 ah, rightio Apr 05 22:34:37 I did tell people opkg wouldn't cure world hunger Apr 05 22:34:37 :p actually your customizationnized openmoko theme Apr 05 22:34:40 but no one was listening Apr 05 22:35:10 yeah well, you had us with the omgponies part Apr 05 22:39:42 mickeyl, so ... what about that +CMUX? Apr 05 22:39:52 Marex: you might want to try gsmd under the MUXer Apr 05 22:40:04 perhaps this runs better with your modem Apr 05 22:40:12 or give a shot at gsmd2 or pygmsd Apr 05 22:40:23 so many options *cough* Apr 05 22:41:11 or I can write my one phone app, hmmm :/ Apr 05 22:41:28 you could. but that's not advised. better help us getting one working gsmd ;) Apr 05 22:41:33 sure Apr 05 22:41:46 i'm not sure whether any of the present approaches cuts it though Apr 05 22:41:50 btw under the muxer you mean dropping the kernel module and do the demuxing in gsmd ? Apr 05 22:42:09 hmm so you already have a kernel muxer? Apr 05 22:42:14 yea Apr 05 22:42:17 i was referring to our userland muxer @ http://www.freesmartphone.org/sources/gsm0710muxd-0.9.0.tar.gz Apr 05 22:42:31 mickeyl: you're back! how was vacation? Apr 05 22:42:51 summatusmentis: well, it wasn't a real vacation. i did work while the others were skiing Apr 05 22:43:03 ewww dbus ? Apr 05 22:43:05 it was a bit of a vacation thanks to high priced internet though Apr 05 22:43:13 Marex: yeah! Apr 05 22:43:21 mickeyl: no skiing? lame Apr 05 22:43:28 indeed Apr 05 22:43:28 mickeyl, ok, no interest Apr 05 22:43:34 :) Apr 05 22:43:45 Marex: heh. old style unix hacker? ioctls are good enough for us? Apr 05 22:44:00 mickeyl, yea, and opie doesnt like dbus much Apr 05 22:44:04 well Apr 05 22:44:05 opie is dead Apr 05 22:44:06 dont make me recall hacking on bluetooth Apr 05 22:44:12 mickeyl, nah ... it isnt Apr 05 22:44:13 :) Apr 05 22:44:21 i buried it. you dug it out again? Apr 05 22:44:25 :D Apr 05 22:44:29 :> Apr 05 22:44:33 undead opie Apr 05 22:44:38 mickeyl: when you've got time, I'd appreciate it if you'd look at my updated SoC application Apr 05 22:44:42 mickeyl, it was never buried to start with Apr 05 22:45:08 Marex: dpends, i would call 100m pretty burried :p Apr 05 22:45:12 i guess this depends on the point of view Apr 05 22:45:18 if all core developers leave a project Apr 05 22:45:39 which havent happened yet ... Apr 05 22:45:39 i call it buried Apr 05 22:45:40 your mileage may vary Apr 05 22:45:43 hehe Apr 05 22:45:49 oh right Apr 05 22:45:51 i refrain from comments then Apr 05 22:46:03 ok Apr 05 22:46:11 btw there are devices that cant just run GPE Apr 05 22:46:23 fair enough. i don't like gpe Apr 05 22:46:33 never good really into it Apr 05 22:46:37 that's why i was working on Opie Apr 05 22:46:42 s/good/got/ Apr 05 22:46:47 mickeyl: Opie is not dead, it's on life support... Apr 05 22:46:55 bluelightning: heya Apr 05 22:46:58 bluelightning: that's good Apr 05 22:47:33 how's opie2 doing? Apr 05 22:47:44 opie2 is burried :D Apr 05 22:47:47 hahaha Apr 05 22:47:57 mickeyl: don't know... you'd have to ask ljp Apr 05 22:48:19 bluelightning, btw hi :) Apr 05 22:48:20 poor application developers... all they want is an infrastructure they can develop on... but we linux guys must constantly refine and throw things away Apr 05 22:48:28 Marex: hi :) Apr 05 22:48:45 mickeyl: yeah, it's a problem :) Apr 05 22:48:54 bluelightning, we need phone app for opie, you know that ? :) Apr 05 22:49:10 summatusmentis: i will do a commenting round on SoC tomorrow right after breakfast Apr 05 22:49:17 summatusmentis: monday ranking starts Apr 05 22:49:27 Marex: yeah... we could do it easily by wrapping a reliable backend Apr 05 22:49:47 mickeyl: any idea on how many slots om is getting? Apr 05 22:49:53 cb22: not the slightest idea, no Apr 05 22:50:04 i will request 5 Apr 05 22:50:10 and then lets cross fingers Apr 05 22:50:13 bluelightning, like GSMd which is ... *cough* Apr 05 22:50:14 :) Apr 05 22:50:16 but it may well turn out to be 2 or 3 Apr 05 22:50:20 at least for me that is Apr 05 22:50:32 Marex: i would suggest gsmd2, but that uses dbus :D Apr 05 22:50:41 oh and py-gsmd.... nah... dbus Apr 05 22:50:48 and py-thon Apr 05 22:50:53 they dont want all the good people going to openmoko instead of android :p Apr 05 22:50:54 which is ok ;p Apr 05 22:50:57 mickeyl: well, we'll need some dbus support in Opie to bring bluetooth up-to-date anyway Apr 05 22:51:21 bluelightning: right. there's no escaping of it. dbus is ubiquitous now and not going away soon whether we like it or not Apr 05 22:51:31 bluelightning, which reminds me about BT patches ... did you get somewhere with them ? Apr 05 22:53:09 mickeyl: I know ranking starts monday, which is why I want to make sure mine is as good as possible, I really want to work w/ OM this summer Apr 05 22:53:23 Marex: I integrated some of them... the rest I still need to talk to you about Apr 05 22:53:38 bluelightning, I forgot what I did there :D Apr 05 22:54:21 random question: anyone know if the freerunner have usb host? Apr 05 22:54:26 yes Apr 05 22:54:28 it has Apr 05 22:54:29 mechstomp: yep Apr 05 22:54:34 woo Apr 05 22:54:37 thanks Apr 05 22:54:41 powered too Apr 05 22:54:43 multiplexed on one usb slot though Apr 05 22:54:52 Marex: we'd just have to go through them at some point when you have time Apr 05 22:55:11 Marex: (we should move this to #opie) Apr 05 22:55:11 summatusmentis: i know. right now there's 51 proposals though Apr 05 22:55:18 bluelightning, sure Apr 05 22:55:34 and 3/4 slots, ouch Apr 05 22:56:17 ok, back to 50. i just kicked one out Apr 05 22:56:18 :D Apr 05 22:56:19 mickeyl: yeah, I assumed as much. (not getting expectations up) We'll see how it goes :) Apr 05 22:56:29 that's the spirit, yep Apr 05 22:57:27 bluelightning: yeah, whats next, discussing gnome in #kde :p Apr 05 22:58:30 50 proposals - makes you realize how small this irc channel is Apr 05 22:59:12 maybe 3 or 4 come from people in this channel? abraxa_ summatusmentis and Sup3rkiddo are the ones i know of Apr 05 22:59:39 cb22: that could work in our favor :) Apr 05 22:59:51 cb22: ;p Apr 05 22:59:53 although, could also work against us, since they know us Apr 05 23:00:36 hehe indeed, that and how much you bribe them! Apr 05 23:01:28 I feel like international bribery doesn't work very well Apr 05 23:02:29 i suppose europe to american bribing is probably easier then the other waiy around Apr 05 23:02:48 yeah, they don't trust us here Apr 05 23:03:08 s/easier/more affordable/ Apr 05 23:03:08 cb22 meant: i suppose europe to american bribing is probably more affordable then the other waiy around Apr 05 23:03:17 well, there's that too :) Apr 05 23:05:58 zjoin #moin-dev Apr 05 23:06:02 woops Apr 05 23:07:45 lol Apr 05 23:08:02 hey, im on a phone! Apr 05 23:08:15 z and / are the same key Apr 05 23:09:14 you IRC from a Neo with Multitap? Apr 05 23:09:51 geez, I wish I had a phone that had a working net connection Apr 05 23:10:02 (roaming and all that don't work well in rural US) Apr 05 23:10:41 mickeyl: i wish, p990 Apr 05 23:11:02 ah, that S/E smartphone? Apr 05 23:11:50 the one that randomly closes down apps, yep Apr 05 23:12:06 does it save state? Apr 05 23:12:13 nope Apr 05 23:12:19 ah, then it's broken Apr 05 23:12:25 i don't mind implicit app closing Apr 05 23:12:29 when they save state Apr 05 23:12:34 if, even Apr 05 23:12:34 indeed, has way to little memory Apr 05 23:12:54 cant have the web browser and another app open Apr 05 23:13:09 bummer Apr 05 23:13:14 how much RAM is that? Apr 05 23:13:44 64mb ram, on start, 14mb is free Apr 05 23:14:07 not to mention it is _slow_ Apr 05 23:15:26 which is why i really want a freerunner Apr 05 23:15:39 tasty opensource goodness Apr 05 23:20:05 cb22: are you in the US? Apr 05 23:20:24 summatusmentis: nope, ZA Apr 05 23:20:42 or south africa Apr 05 23:20:57 yeah, why is ZA is the abbreviation for South Africa? Apr 05 23:22:19 well, sa is saudia arabia afaik Apr 05 23:22:39 south africa is also RSA Apr 05 23:23:03 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r142 10/trunk/software/py-odeviced/ (AUTHORS ChangeLog TODO): py-odeviced: add some files Apr 05 23:23:06 oh, I guess that makes sense Apr 06 01:45:52 oh, the neo is way smaller than I thought... Apr 06 01:46:27 it's really only a little bit taller and wider than the palm centro Apr 06 01:47:42 As a ballpark - it fits entirely in a coke can. Apr 06 01:47:58 (warranty void if you do not remove the coke) Apr 06 01:48:04 the image on the wiki(rotating one on the front page) looks way bigger Apr 06 01:50:38 abraxa_: are you around? Apr 06 01:53:51 so, anyone heard anything about how the production testing is going? Apr 06 01:55:35 There are problems. Someone wrote the spec so that it has to cope with being dropped while riding a unicorn. So first, one has to be genetically engineered. Apr 06 01:55:58 shit, so, another 3 month delay then? Apr 06 01:56:11 how do they test this? Apr 06 02:14:55 summatusmentis: you mean how is testing done? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Apr 06 02:59:56 2008