**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 14 02:59:57 2008 Apr 14 03:09:26 Hey, is there anyone in-the-know who can tell me if Steve's announcements about PVT & MP on the mailing list mean what I think they mean? Apr 14 03:09:46 y Apr 14 03:09:49 It looks to me as if a late April or early May shipping date is not unlikely Apr 14 03:10:03 yes it does but i dont know Apr 14 03:10:08 wurp2|away: Thats the impression that I got as well. Apr 14 03:10:16 woohoo! Apr 14 03:10:37 I think I am moving to Switzerland (from the US) in the next couple of months Apr 14 03:10:38 unless something bad goes in the remaining two milestones :) Apr 14 03:10:52 Is it significantly cheaper to buy here & bring it over as personal property? Apr 14 03:10:56 Today's images don't seem to start X properly. Apr 14 03:11:04 at least on my GTA01. Apr 14 03:11:27 might be better to buy in europe Apr 14 03:11:56 linuxxr: Are you there? Apr 14 03:11:59 wurp2|away: From reading the mailing list, it seems that the taxes and VAT differ depending on where you go in the EU so it might be cheaper to pick it up from the states and take it with you to Switzerland. Apr 14 03:12:11 'cause the VAT charges I've heard about sound obscene Apr 14 03:12:21 xaid: That was the impression I got Apr 14 03:12:32 And it would be a good pitch to the wife to get a FR early ;-) Apr 14 03:12:47 no im over here Apr 14 03:12:54 usa Apr 14 03:13:26 I thought so, given the hour Apr 14 03:13:27 wurp2|away: yep :D and remember that early adopters get extra goodies. Apr 14 03:14:00 oh yeah, good point Apr 14 03:14:23 orospakr: 4-9 is the latest snapshot that Kevin has approved Apr 14 03:14:44 The latest he's done, too, though Apr 14 03:15:04 orospakr: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Snapshot_review/2008-04-09 Apr 14 03:16:13 Well, I'm off again. I just got excited when I got Steve's email :-) Apr 14 03:16:41 I keep checking my email every hour here :) Apr 14 03:28:06 btw, how good are the qtopia images these days? Apr 14 04:05:48 openmoko: 03sean_chiang * r4352 10/trunk/src/target/audio/om-gta02/gsmhandset.state: low the volumn of reciever at gsmhandset.state Apr 14 04:12:44 is there an official forum for the neo freerunner? Apr 14 04:32:04 jerknextdoor: most of the talk/traffic is on the mailing lists but there is an unofficial forum as well (you'll have to search the wiki for its url). Apr 14 04:36:21 Where might I find the logs written by dbus services, xsession, etc.? Apr 14 04:41:16 xaid: thanks man. Apr 14 05:18:27 openmoko: 03sean_chiang * r4353 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/src/phone-kit/moko-sound.c: missing comma Apr 14 05:19:53 for connecting the debug board with FreeRunner, will there be soldering work (like gta03?) required, or will it have JTAG connectors so we can just plug it in? Apr 14 05:48:14 mbuf: Same debug connector as before, as far as I'm aware Apr 14 05:50:41 abraxa__, but, that required soldering; is there place to solder for a JTAG connector? otherwise, it becomes tedious opening it up, everytime? Apr 14 05:52:10 mbuf: Soldering? Where? Apr 14 05:52:50 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Connecting_Neo1973_with_Debug_Board_v2 Apr 14 05:53:30 abraxa__, ok; just have to insert the cable Apr 14 05:53:39 Yep :) Apr 14 06:03:21 oh yay I was able to switch from t-mo gprs to gprs+wifi for the same price Apr 14 06:03:37 all I had to do was tell their online thing that I had a phone with wifi and magically the option appeared Apr 14 06:17:23 is anyone having build issues atm? Apr 14 06:17:35 yeah - i'm tired :( Apr 14 06:18:01 i'm having trouble compiling myself in the mornings Apr 14 06:50:38 I like steve (in a non gay way), no bullshit with him (at least on the list) Apr 14 06:51:09 It is really nice to get news about the Freerunner. Apr 14 06:52:23 yeah Apr 14 06:53:13 * ScaredyCat wonders why doc|home had to qualify that... Apr 14 06:53:24 do you like some people in a gay way? Apr 14 06:53:37 would there be anything wrong with that anyway? Apr 14 06:55:30 I wonder if OM could make a viable product that never had software suitable for the general public. There must be enough nerds in the world to support a phone that was intended for a "phone/GPS hobyist" market, mustn't there? Apr 14 06:57:16 I don't think so. Apr 14 06:57:36 the 01 was the first, people expected it to work, but not perfectly... Apr 14 06:57:48 I think people are expecting the 02 to work properly... Apr 14 06:58:06 with full software in the forseeable future Apr 14 06:59:09 openmoko: 03sean_chiang * r4354 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: change the way about detect the change of headset in or out Apr 14 06:59:42 It's mighty hard for me to imagine the 02 will ever have, for example, a video experience comparable to the iPhone. Maybe they should go for a niche market of hobyists instead. Apr 14 07:00:05 there's a bigger issue really. Apr 14 07:00:13 good morning Apr 14 07:01:11 the gta0x's will have problems getting newer hardware into the case simply because manufacturers don't want to open their chips Apr 14 07:01:48 Does anyone know what the ultimate plan is for keeping the time on the neos synchronized with external servers? Is it supposed to get time from the GSM, or the GPS, or NTP? Apr 14 07:02:32 GPS and moderately accurate internal clock would be a nice combination. Apr 14 07:02:35 gsm is possible, ntp when connected is ok.. gps is ok if it's a supported message Apr 14 07:02:42 Others are quite redundant, if the GPS works. Apr 14 07:02:45 byt the chip Apr 14 07:02:49 -t Apr 14 07:02:59 NTP is inaccurate over wireless connections and GSM clock is often not available. Apr 14 07:03:10 but it should be user selectable.. Apr 14 07:03:47 gps is only useful if you want the time to change when you cross into a new timezone Apr 14 07:04:05 unless you're using utc + offset Apr 14 07:04:44 Why would the time change with GPS? Apr 14 07:04:59 I don't know about GSM, but with CDMA you can get time and time zone from the cell phone towers. Apr 14 07:05:19 And you shouldn't generally use UTC+offset, but rather one of the timezones from zoneinfo. Apr 14 07:05:22 E.g. EET. Apr 14 07:05:29 Tronic_: if you're using gpzda Apr 14 07:05:33 That will correctly handle daylight saving changes too. Apr 14 07:07:19 from my experience setting time from gsm is routine.. at least it is on all the networks I've used... Apr 14 07:07:49 and hte neo can support that... Apr 14 07:08:12 probably, but I too see it as rather redundant with gps Apr 14 07:08:40 not if you can't get a gps fix Apr 14 07:09:10 you don't need a fix for time - jsut one sat Apr 14 07:09:28 yeah, so you don't go outside ever, you won't perhaps get the time Apr 14 07:09:29 and it doesn't really make sense to eliminate other options, just make them options... Apr 14 07:11:17 well, at this point it's less of a question of elimination, more of a question of implementation priorities Apr 14 07:11:34 huh? Apr 14 07:11:57 it's a tiny thing, if you're spending time doing it then you do it properly. Apr 14 07:12:35 getting time from sat, gsm or ntp are pretty simple... Apr 14 07:12:35 One of the seldom discussed advantages to the broad deployment of cell phones is that practically everyone is sync'd to an atomic clock now. Apr 14 07:12:43 the ntp bit has already been done. Apr 14 07:12:53 the gsm part is an at command Apr 14 07:13:04 and the gps is juat parsing Apr 14 07:25:10 morning Apr 14 07:31:04 ScaredyCat: no specific reason, just though Ishould make it clear, besides, it's you I like in a ga.... sorry, can't say it :) Apr 14 07:32:06 * ScaredyCat hands doc|home an Indian costume Apr 14 07:32:28 .... or a construction worker hat.. Apr 14 07:39:37 ScaredyCat: If it is true, as you say, that OM will have a hard time ever getting state-of-the-art chips for their open products, how do they expect their product to ever be attractive to nontechnical users? Apr 14 07:40:10 I think they hope to educate chip makers... Apr 14 07:40:24 it's going to be a long haul... Apr 14 07:40:34 No kidding. Apr 14 07:41:51 but I'm not entirely certain that the neo will ever have appeal to non-geeks.. Apr 14 07:42:25 I love it, but it's not going to be something my wife would ever want to use... or my grandma.... Apr 14 07:42:26 Personally, and I know nothing about business, I think they should go for the geek market exclusively. Apr 14 07:42:59 ... well they sort of have... by not having the software done ;) Apr 14 07:43:24 Geeks are apt to be willing to spend a lot more money on hardware than the general public is. The volume would be low, but they could have healthy margins." Apr 14 07:43:44 but they are going to need to be careful, there's yet another s/w change on the horizon, even geeks can et pissed off Apr 14 07:43:52 i think that is some kind of educational sense Apr 14 07:44:17 i you "educate" the non geeks to open devices, it could be possible that freerunner has more and more adepts Apr 14 07:45:24 methril: I disagree, you're asking a non geek to pay $400 for a semi working device, when a fully working new model can be had for less... Apr 14 07:45:54 well, it's not working now, but in the future... Apr 14 07:46:04 In the US, most non-geeks expect free phones. Apr 14 07:46:19 i agree that some people are non going to pay $400 for non working device Apr 14 07:46:38 but it's not the goal, the goal it's to have a working and innovative (in sw & hw) device Apr 14 07:46:50 methril: right. I'll sell you this car I have that runs on water... you can only have the basic parts, but I'll get it working for you in the future Apr 14 07:47:23 yes, I agree with you on that last point... Apr 14 07:47:33 SacaredyCat this is the actual picture, but i'll hope that this canges in the future :D Apr 14 07:47:33 ScaredyCat: What s/w change do you see on the horizon? Apr 14 07:47:39 but then the target market is not going to be the man on the street Apr 14 07:47:57 maybe some day, not now Apr 14 07:48:12 but it's anice goal, isn't it? Apr 14 07:48:17 rtm: there's been no official announcement, even though people have been prodding OM... Apr 14 07:48:59 Something more disruptive than 2007.1 -> 2007.2 ? Apr 14 07:49:00 but you just need to look at what raster is doing, the sudden interest in qtopia by om employees Apr 14 07:49:09 that sort of thing Apr 14 07:49:17 methril: yes, nice goal. Apr 14 07:49:48 If they abandon X11, my interest will fade away quickly. Apr 14 07:50:21 ...I don't think you're the only one... Apr 14 07:54:07 morning Apr 14 07:54:18 What sense would it make for OM to move to an OS owned by Nokia? Apr 14 07:57:47 In some ways I wish OM would simply publish hardware specs, and get out of the way. Apr 14 07:58:09 But they can't because of NDAs, right? Apr 14 07:58:10 In my more logical moments, I realise that this probably wouldn't result in a working software platform quicker. Apr 14 07:58:45 To an extent which is hard to determine, people have been not doing stuff because they're assuming it's being done internally. Apr 14 07:58:52 Maybe they should just provide a robust and full-features API to the hardware. Apr 14 07:59:15 Yeah - I'm not meaning stuff like the accellerator. Apr 14 07:59:25 which is unfortunately completely locked down. Apr 14 08:11:36 Hi everyone, Apr 14 08:11:56 I recall we had someone from trisoft on the channel. I might be wrong though Apr 14 08:12:25 MarcOChapeau: Ask TRIsoft about that.. ;) Apr 14 08:12:35 oh :-) Apr 14 08:13:55 TRIsoft: will the sales on your site be counted among the first 1000 phones with extra goodies ? Apr 14 08:14:29 can't you get RSS out of that updates wiki page? Apr 14 08:15:42 for poeple who don't see... a big update on community page ;) Apr 14 08:23:51 MarcOChapeau: We're just talking in this minute with OM about the goodies... Apr 14 08:24:12 MarcOChapeau: But i think all devs preordering in the next weeks will get them. Apr 14 08:25:24 MarcOChapeau: But we're happy that we can update the price today after 14 days of waiting. Apr 14 08:25:42 were can we preoer? Apr 14 08:25:42 s/preoer/preorder Apr 14 08:25:52 Is it possible to *officially* preorder at this time? I'll I've seen is a bunch of informal pages with people saying "I plan to buy one". Apr 14 08:25:53 TRIsoft: that's good news. I figured it might be currently discussed given the big update thread on the ML Apr 14 08:26:52 Our preorder price was a "high water mark". That's what we said from start. New price for single units inside the EU incl. VAT is 350 EUR. Apr 14 08:28:03 hum very cheap compare to an htc phone or something like that Apr 14 08:32:36 Another quick question to anyone able to respond : a friend of mine is playing withan iPaq and is willing to try out an Openmoko image. It seems the link in the wiki to the iPak image is dead. Has anyone kept an archive ? Apr 14 08:41:02 * MarcOChapeau is negotiating with his bank for a new credit card... mine expires precisely when the Freerunner comes out... :-( Apr 14 08:41:44 mmmm, when that *exactly* is ? Apr 14 08:44:46 hiya folks. Apr 14 08:44:55 anyone know whats news .. ? Apr 14 08:45:13 there is an update on the community page Apr 14 08:45:33 url? Apr 14 08:45:46 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates Apr 14 08:48:14 [11:25] Is it possible to *officially* preorder at this time? I'll I've seen is a bunch of informal pages with people saying "I plan to buy one". Apr 14 08:48:15 [11:25] TRIsoft: that's good news. I figured it might be currently discussed given the big update thread on the ML Apr 14 08:48:27 MarcOChapeau: in what thread? Apr 14 08:48:33 could you post a link? Apr 14 08:50:17 Tuju: the thread named "FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update" Apr 14 08:50:36 yep, i waded that buy didn't find it Apr 14 08:50:45 thanks Apr 14 08:51:13 isn't there anything on that in the web? Apr 14 08:51:52 Tuju: you can use google and search the list archives or look at the community update page Apr 14 08:51:57 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/015080.html Apr 14 08:52:53 this is great news Apr 14 08:52:56 CM that page doesn't contain string 'preorder' Apr 14 08:52:59 i'm gonna dust off my openmoko project now. Apr 14 08:53:23 Tuju: I just searched for the string MarcOChapeau pasted Apr 14 08:53:58 there is no new about preorder i think... they just say it will be soon possible Apr 14 08:54:10 sigh, let me get this right: preorders are handled in google and in public mailing list - if you happen to find something about it? Apr 14 08:54:47 TRIsoft: I'll just bother you with one more question. My CC expires at the end of the month, so unless the freerunner comes out before may, you won't be able to charge me. Is there a procedure for this special case ? it would be a shame to miss the first 1000 batch just because of that... Apr 14 08:54:50 No, I guess all ordering will be done at openmoko.com Apr 14 08:55:16 CM: "I guess" is the best information about it so far. Thanks Apr 14 08:55:46 The people involved are still discussing it, afaik Apr 14 08:56:06 As TRIsoft said earlier Apr 14 08:56:45 yep, anyway, i won't be wasting my time in mailing list 'i don't wanna charge with usb' and googling around. please, post something concrete into web, is it possible or not. this is obviously faq. Apr 14 08:57:36 I'm sure it will be posted as soon as OpenMoko Inc has everything set up Apr 14 08:59:17 Hi all. I have a Q to ordering openmoko... I am waiting @ the edge of my chair to lay fingers on an openmoko and was wondering if there was an official list for group orders or for getting them set up... Apr 14 08:59:26 No. Apr 14 09:04:23 MarcOChapeau: Just place the order. We'll contact you, if there's a problem with your expiration date Apr 14 09:07:34 "Displays the lyrics to the Rick Astley song "Never Gonna Give You Up" in the top right corner of the admin panel." Apr 14 09:07:37 wtf! Apr 14 09:10:38 What's the Rick Astley thing? Google made a spoof with it, but is it some bigger Youtube phenomenom that I have managed to miss? Apr 14 09:10:50 yes. Apr 14 09:11:13 Rick-rolled.. Apr 14 09:11:29 Nothing more to it? Apr 14 09:11:41 I bet there are a lot of silly songs with silly music videos from the 80's... Apr 14 09:11:42 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickroll Apr 14 09:12:25 Tronic_: Youtube put it as the href on all the featured videos. Apr 14 09:12:45 Cap_J_L_Picard: That's when I heard of it. Apr 14 09:20:00 * * OM Bug 1340 has been created by reddog(AT)mastersword.de Apr 14 09:20:02 * * no suspend in power menu Apr 14 09:20:03 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1340 Apr 14 09:23:56 the interview on the wikipedia site is worth watching Apr 14 09:24:34 nice example for a rickroll was www.isohunt.com -> Rick Astley song "Never Gonna Give You Up".... april fools day rocks ;-) Apr 14 09:25:02 snif Apr 14 09:25:13 oups wrong window :( Apr 14 09:34:15 nice status updates from steve :) Apr 14 09:48:54 EU price update is done. Everybody who already preordered will get an email with the new price today, so don't worry. Apr 14 09:49:08 what's the price ? Apr 14 09:49:21 CVirus: 350 EUR incl. VAT Apr 14 09:49:40 w00t .. update Apr 14 09:49:50 TRIsoft: where can I preorder? Apr 14 09:50:05 For EU at www.trisoft.de Apr 14 09:51:31 thx... you send in swiss? Apr 14 09:51:32 399$ .. cool Apr 14 09:51:42 you send in Egypt :-D ? Apr 14 09:51:47 :P Apr 14 09:52:15 so, est time... I will make my preorder those days ;) Apr 14 09:52:16 We just ship to EU and Switzerland. US and Asia will be handled by Openmoko directly. Apr 14 09:52:31 and Africa ? Apr 14 09:52:35 -est + eat Apr 14 09:52:46 I want my FreeRunner Apr 14 09:52:53 CVirus: Africa by OM also ;) Apr 14 09:53:03 I want your Freerunner too. Apr 14 09:53:12 it would be cool to use the FreeRunner's GPS while I'm riding my camel going to the pyramids :-p Apr 14 09:53:22 * CVirus is living in Egypt Apr 14 09:53:51 good morning Apr 14 09:53:53 which reminds me ... I never rode a camel before .. LOL Apr 14 09:54:29 CVirus: So you hope that your FreeRunner says "turn sharp left now!", so you don't crash against the pyramids again ? Apr 14 09:54:40 LOL Apr 14 09:54:58 I saw the pyramids twice Apr 14 09:55:51 * CoreDump wants to visit the pyramids at least once in his life Apr 14 09:57:05 "camisole josch" is now known as "everywhere internet umts josch"!! \o/ Apr 14 09:58:19 any idea how much will openmoko.com charge for shipping inside the US ? Apr 14 09:59:18 Why is the word "Neo" still on the phone ? Apr 14 10:00:28 I wonder what "free things" will Steve throw for us early customers :-D Apr 14 10:00:33 * CVirus is too excited Apr 14 10:01:01 * * OM Bug 1341 has been created by reddog(AT)mastersword.de Apr 14 10:01:02 * * openmoko-messages put sms in wrong folder Apr 14 10:01:03 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1341 Apr 14 10:07:00 * * OM Bug 1342 has been created by reddog(AT)mastersword.de Apr 14 10:07:01 * * openmoko-messages don't print error message on dialing when no GSM connection is there Apr 14 10:07:02 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1342 Apr 14 10:32:16 anyone know anything about : Apr 14 10:32:17 remote: Generating pack... Apr 14 10:32:17 remote: Done counting 106444 objects. Apr 14 10:32:36 is that some oe thing or git ? Apr 14 10:33:08 people of helsinki/finland, i have another group open: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales Apr 14 10:33:37 ScaredyCat: Could it be total number of files? Apr 14 10:33:42 ScaredyCat: git Apr 14 10:33:57 well, that's not the bit that bothers me CM... it's the failure after it Apr 14 10:34:01 ScaredyCat: its git working out what it needs to send/receive Apr 14 10:34:20 ta trickie_ Apr 14 10:34:22 NOTE: Creating tarball of git repository Apr 14 10:34:22 fatal: failed to unpack tree object f54af99850ae25da80e491b1864bb90e14c80 Apr 14 10:36:02 is there a git repo issue ... or is the 100% in "Removing unused objects 100%" simply a %age of progress rather than how much has been removed? Apr 14 10:47:15 sry... who propose me to bring me a freerunner in switzerland (i was going to eat and i loose the msg :( )? Apr 14 10:51:21 pyknit1: We would send you one. Personal bring-in service is a bit expensive ;) Apr 14 10:52:47 ok, it was just to know... Apr 14 10:53:45 but, I think I will wait until they give the release date befor ordering Apr 14 11:22:00 * * OM Bug 1343 has been created by reddog(AT)mastersword.de Apr 14 11:22:01 * * crash by surfing google images Apr 14 11:22:02 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1343 Apr 14 11:29:51 openmoko: 03thomas * r4355 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (48 files in 2 dirs): opkg: remove opkg.h in preperation for new API Apr 14 11:34:59 CVirus: I'm betting on a free bluetooth-3G gateway, with a worldwide paid-up unlimited data contract. Apr 14 11:38:04 mwester: good work on suspend! Apr 14 11:38:40 Has suspend been fixed? Apr 14 11:39:05 * SpeedEvil looks at mwester Apr 14 11:39:28 openmoko: 03thomas * r4356 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg_download.c: Apr 14 11:39:28 openmoko: opkg: Bug fix for Packages file with a Filename: tag with prepended path. Apr 14 11:39:28 openmoko: Patch from Alexandros Kostopoulos Apr 14 11:59:48 TRIsoft: still there ? is it ok if I place my pre-order with my current credit card and update the card info afterwards ? Apr 14 12:00:27 MarcOChapeau: Sure, no problem. Apr 14 12:00:52 TRIsoft: ok, that's great :-) Apr 14 12:01:36 thomasg: see that thing in the distance with 4 legs.... Apr 14 12:01:46 thomasg: see that barn door behind you... Apr 14 12:01:49 ;) Apr 14 12:33:14 Preorder done. Crossing fingers to be part of the first batch :-) Apr 14 12:35:09 freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r194 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (32 files in 3 dirs): Apr 14 12:35:09 freesmartphone.org: Initial version of muxing support Apr 14 12:35:09 freesmartphone.org: Added tests for muxing Apr 14 12:35:09 freesmartphone.org: Added missing licenses Apr 14 12:36:59 MarcOChapeau: crossing finger for freerunner will be released soon ;) Apr 14 12:38:42 preordering? what have i missed? Apr 14 12:39:10 you missed the new update this morning Apr 14 12:39:33 and you can preorder at trisoft.de if you live in europe Apr 14 12:39:41 sweet Apr 14 12:39:48 but always no release date :( Apr 14 12:41:12 pyknite: who cares. the important part is being part of the "first-1000" special batch :-) Apr 14 12:41:31 your right Apr 14 12:41:36 i hope i can be Apr 14 12:41:47 i don't want to wait more Apr 14 12:47:27 bah, but i have no creditcard Apr 14 12:47:43 * ScaredyCat hands zash CM's credit card Apr 14 12:47:54 :D Apr 14 12:48:51 I think it said thousands Apr 14 12:48:56 I don't think it said thousand Apr 14 12:52:48 any idea how much will openmoko.com charge for shipping inside the US ? Apr 14 12:53:04 Hei all, I have a question about ipkg, is there a specific ipkg channel? or is here ok to ask? Apr 14 12:54:30 jussio1: #oe might be the place Apr 14 12:54:52 balrog-kun: thanks! Apr 14 12:57:38 jussio1, you can ask me Apr 14 12:57:46 jussio1, I am the opkg developer Apr 14 12:58:11 oh Apr 14 12:58:17 yeah #oe is probably good too Apr 14 12:59:50 thos: grand! :) its quite simple actually, I have a repo in my base-feed.conf and I have run ipkg update, however, ipkg doesnt seem to find the packages I kow are in the repo. am I doing something wrng? Apr 14 13:00:39 jussio1, did you put a valid dest field in? Apr 14 13:00:50 jussio1, I think you can't reuse dest fields, i'm not sure Apr 14 13:00:58 so you may have to just specify a new one Apr 14 13:01:27 thos: as i have no idea what a dest feild is, Im sure ive screwed it up somewhre. (just learning this) Apr 14 13:01:45 jussio1, the field after src/gz Apr 14 13:02:18 aye, I have "base" there. Apr 14 13:02:38 jussio1, I think the "definition" for that will be in ipkg.conf Apr 14 13:02:45 ahh Apr 14 13:03:43 hrm, the full ipkg.conf is commented out. :/ Apr 14 13:04:30 hrm Apr 14 13:05:05 jussio1, just try renaming the dest then Apr 14 13:05:09 thos: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63172/ Apr 14 13:05:24 thos: anything particular, or? Apr 14 13:05:47 well, seems general principle is to call it the repository name Apr 14 13:06:32 Y A Y Apr 14 13:10:07 thos: hrm, doesnt seem to help :/ Apr 14 13:10:28 jussio1, does ipkg download it when you run ipkg update? Apr 14 13:10:46 thos: yes. Apr 14 13:11:12 thos: remeber there is a high possibility of pebkac here... ;) Apr 14 13:12:07 thos: the repo in question is the Angstrom Repository, and Im trying to grab apache2 Apr 14 13:12:57 jussio1, what does ipkg list|grep apache tell you? Apr 14 13:13:12 jussio1, and then check /usr/lib/opkg/lists/ Apr 14 13:13:32 ok, ipkg list|grep apache returns nothing. Apr 14 13:13:47 rtm: not completly, but we (or more mwester) is on the right way! ;) Apr 14 13:15:52 thos: this is not an openmoko system. :/ (hence my initial question about the right place for ipkg questions, sorry, should have said that earlier) Apr 14 13:17:07 jussio1, oh sorry, s/opkg/ipkg Apr 14 13:17:10 thos: may I pm for a moment? Apr 14 13:17:15 jussio1, they are almost identical bar one or two features Apr 14 13:18:30 thos: there is nothing in the lists/ folder Apr 14 13:18:54 * roh is dfuing the problem away Apr 14 13:19:36 jussio1, well, that might be a source of your problem :-) Apr 14 13:20:06 jussio1, that directory is where the downloaded package lists go Apr 14 13:20:11 ahhh Apr 14 13:20:15 jussio1, does ipkg list even show anything at all? Apr 14 13:21:13 lots... Apr 14 13:21:23 jussio1, does it show any package descriptions? Apr 14 13:21:32 many. Apr 14 13:22:09 jussio1, the same number that list_installed has? Apr 14 13:23:12 hrm, looks similar (there seems to be several hundred) Apr 14 13:23:20 ipkg list|wc -l Apr 14 13:23:24 ipkg list_installed|wc -l Apr 14 13:24:36 yes, they are equal. Apr 14 13:27:19 jussio1, well, that means you have nothing but your installed packages available Apr 14 13:27:33 thos: hrm. ok, not good. Apr 14 13:27:35 jussio1, which means the repositories are not being stored properly Apr 14 13:27:37 or something Apr 14 13:27:41 ok. Apr 14 13:27:42 jussio1, how much disk space do yo uhave? Apr 14 13:27:44 available Apr 14 13:27:48 lots Apr 14 13:27:54 umm Apr 14 13:28:07 200 mb? Apr 14 13:28:27 thos: this is an embedded system. Apr 14 13:28:39 thos: could it be a permissions issue? Apr 14 13:28:41 right, but they often run out of disc space Apr 14 13:28:52 no, everything in Angstrom runs as root Apr 14 13:29:00 jussio1, what is this you are running and running on btw? Apr 14 13:29:05 yeah, of course. Apr 14 14:27:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgqEIp2YmtE Apr 14 14:27:26 Happiness and Joy - Monday mornings... Apr 14 14:28:21 mwester: Got a case of the Mondays? Apr 14 14:30:36 Yeah. :( I spent all weekend openmoko-ing, and I didn't get my stuff prepared for the Monday morning meetings at work. So I shouldn't be here right now either :D Apr 14 14:31:13 I need to find a way to sell my Zaurus Apr 14 14:32:14 mwester: Preparing your TPS reports, hm? Apr 14 14:32:45 Have you seen my red stapler? Apr 14 14:33:02 ;) Apr 14 14:36:05 what are the green/blue distros other than suse/fedora Apr 14 14:36:49 umm... Kubuntu might be blue Apr 14 14:36:58 Mint Linux is green Apr 14 14:37:05 you can also make any distro any color you want Apr 14 14:37:11 lol Apr 14 14:37:23 you're selecting your distro based on colour? Apr 14 14:37:37 You can get OpenMoko in any color you want, as long as it's black (and orange) Apr 14 14:37:40 that's why I picked OpenMoko, it's orange and black, classy Apr 14 14:38:23 openmoko: 03thomas * r4357 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (56 files): opkg: 's/itsy/opkg/' Apr 14 14:39:39 ok, random q unrelated to OM, anyone bought corsair ValueSelect RAM before? Apr 14 14:39:56 sounds crappy Apr 14 14:40:02 valueselect ... Apr 14 14:40:26 Yes, a few weeks ago to some core2 dell machine, worked fine Apr 14 14:40:42 it sounds like Tesco own brand RAM Apr 14 14:40:45 Kingstons value ram works pretty good too, I've used that a lot Apr 14 14:40:56 ScaredyCat: it's the cheapest, highest rated RAM on newegg Apr 14 14:41:12 yeah... I did say *sounds* ... Apr 14 14:41:30 marketing need a new name for it Apr 14 14:42:06 Cosair VRAM Apr 14 14:42:25 vram is something else.. ;) Apr 14 14:42:30 ppfft Apr 14 14:42:37 VSRAM Apr 14 14:42:59 CBRAM (CheapBastard...) Apr 14 14:43:05 :D Apr 14 14:43:08 that's it Apr 14 14:43:16 TAG RAM... Apr 14 14:43:30 Tight Arsed Git Apr 14 14:43:35 CM: you've never had any trouble w/ it? Apr 14 14:44:14 summatusmentis: Nope Apr 14 14:44:19 excellent Apr 14 14:44:25 * summatusmentis orders 2GB Apr 14 14:44:32 :) Apr 14 14:44:56 * mwester notes that abraxa_ has managed to remove one of his underscores. Apr 14 14:45:13 * mwester waits for the other one to go. Apr 14 14:45:31 I won't recognize you anymore abraxa_, if you get rid of your other _ Apr 14 14:46:32 mwester: I wish! Apr 14 14:46:42 Some dude has abraxa registered :( Apr 14 14:47:37 If he hasn't used it in some period of time, the admins will release it for you. Apr 14 14:48:28 Last Seen: 2 weeks 1 day (15h 10m 31s) ago -- an admin that that already while the guy was even online Apr 14 14:50:16