**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 16 02:59:56 2008 Apr 16 06:25:23 monrning Apr 16 06:53:46 freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r195 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (23 files in 3 dirs): Apr 16 06:53:46 freesmartphone.org: Added caching to several method replies and tests to them Apr 16 06:53:46 freesmartphone.org: Modified command retrying function Apr 16 07:13:21 guten morgen Apr 16 07:14:03 gluten mårgan Apr 16 07:28:11 god morgen :D Apr 16 07:30:35 Hopscotch, you are german?? why dont you join #neo1973-germany ? Apr 16 08:24:55 Glad to be here! Apr 16 08:42:47 Trying to build 2007.2 tonight before I go to bed since I hear it takes a while Apr 16 08:42:57 anyone wanna help me with a bitbake error? Apr 16 09:47:16 Donson_: you just just explain your problem... Apr 16 09:47:21 then wait for a response :) Apr 16 10:28:39 thos: is libopkg completely bollocksed at the moment? Apr 16 10:29:03 ScaredyCat, yes Apr 16 10:29:17 ScaredyCat, I am re-writing the API Apr 16 10:29:48 ok, but until you complete that builds are farked Apr 16 10:30:05 ScaredyCat, it should still work I think Apr 16 10:30:08 ScaredyCat, i'm not sure Apr 16 10:30:12 ScaredyCat, what's the error? Apr 16 10:31:13 http://pastebin.ca/987221 Apr 16 10:32:24 ScaredyCat, try cleaning the build and starting again Apr 16 10:35:56 packagekit Apr 16 10:36:00 didn't help Apr 16 10:36:37 oh Apr 16 10:36:40 packagekit will be broken Apr 16 10:36:46 until I fix it after the new api Apr 16 10:36:49 sorry Apr 16 10:38:20 ys, but you can't build because of it Apr 16 10:48:57 freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r196 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/test/ (5 files): Added freesmartphone ipc interface and added support for it to tests. Apr 16 10:49:44 openmoko: 03sean_chiang * r4364 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/src/phone-kit/dialer-main.c: avoid the race Apr 16 10:54:51 wtf is 'assassin' and why can't people give apps proper names ffs Apr 16 10:56:31 it wants to kill you Apr 16 10:56:45 * raster renames enlightenment to "another fancy window manager for x11" Apr 16 10:57:00 raster: no, it gets payed to kill Apr 16 11:01:14 those names are the programming equivalent of going to a restaurant and getting served "Ciapatelli with a duck comfit, sweet potato and walnut jus" Apr 16 11:01:19 * raster pays assassin to kill ScaredyCat Apr 16 11:01:57 ScaredyCat: seriously. names are justa mater of marketing Apr 16 11:02:05 frankly a gazilling "kaudioplayer" Apr 16 11:02:07 "gaudioplayer" Apr 16 11:02:13 well, I'd rather they were more logical.. Apr 16 11:02:13 and so on just runs out of "umf" Apr 16 11:02:19 why do they have to be? Apr 16 11:02:27 assassin doens't tell me what it does... Apr 16 11:02:28 ipod isn't logical Apr 16 11:02:31 but man - everyone knows it Apr 16 11:02:36 why should it? Apr 16 11:02:46 the toyotay camry doesnt tell you Apr 16 11:02:52 the cechy mailbu tells u nothing Apr 16 11:03:01 the vw beetle says nada Apr 16 11:03:02 ... Apr 16 11:03:07 because it means that *anyone* can work out what stuff is Apr 16 11:03:10 ScaredyCat, you don't need packagekit though... Apr 16 11:03:25 u dont need to figure it out Apr 16 11:03:27 trust me Apr 16 11:03:28 :) Apr 16 11:03:28 thos: sorry, om qt x11 Apr 16 11:03:39 no, I don;t, I just removed it Apr 16 11:03:40 u'll fnd out Apr 16 11:03:41 :) Apr 16 11:03:44 ScaredyCat, cool Apr 16 11:04:10 interesting u didnt complain about illume Apr 16 11:04:14 :) Apr 16 11:04:24 I've just got started..... Apr 16 11:04:34 anyway... assassin is dead. Apr 16 11:06:00 ok Apr 16 11:06:10 so assassin is called assassin because tick is an RPG fan :-D Apr 16 11:06:29 yes, but what is it? Apr 16 11:06:40 other than an unrelated character type Apr 16 11:06:42 ScaredyCat: but seriously - shouldnt u ask me to change the name of enlightenment? Apr 16 11:06:48 ScaredyCat, it's an efl based front end to packagekit Apr 16 11:07:24 raster: I would, but you wouldn't... Apr 16 11:07:32 of course i wouldnt Apr 16 11:07:40 and shouldnt linux be renamed "kernel" Apr 16 11:07:51 and x11 renamed "windowing system" Apr 16 11:08:07 ScaredyCat, EFL + ETK based Apr 16 11:08:08 and firefox should become "web browser" Apr 16 11:08:12 ... Apr 16 11:08:14 :) Apr 16 11:08:22 not really raster... Apr 16 11:08:26 thansk thos Apr 16 11:08:29 thanks Apr 16 11:08:37 whynot? Apr 16 11:08:41 if you are consistent Apr 16 11:08:49 u should have everything obviously named Apr 16 11:08:59 of course if you are japanese Apr 16 11:09:01 or chinese Apr 16 11:09:02 or koren Apr 16 11:09:06 or maybe brazilian Apr 16 11:09:08 or thai Apr 16 11:09:29 "web browser" may be as much gibberish as "firefox" to you Apr 16 11:09:45 as it means nothing to you - just another string of characters/souns to map to a concept Apr 16 11:09:54 Any openmoko GSoC admins available here? Or "lira.lg"? Have a student that applied to both openmoko and our (xmms2) project. Apr 16 11:10:36 * ScaredyCat orders raster "Ciapatelli with a duck comfit, sweet potato and walnut jus" Apr 16 11:10:44 * ScaredyCat has beans on toast Apr 16 11:11:04 anders_: I'm here Apr 16 11:11:12 anders_: Like to pmsg? Apr 16 11:11:32 ScaredyCat: not into duck :) Apr 16 11:11:49 it's not actually duck... Apr 16 11:12:02 duck comfit Apr 16 11:12:04 it's another string of characters/souns to map to a concept Apr 16 11:14:16 anders_, hi Apr 16 11:14:23 anders_, join #openmoko-gsoc Apr 16 11:14:50 thos: good point. better the msg :) Apr 16 11:15:49 stefan_schmidt, I think you can even invite on irc :-) Apr 16 11:28:16 freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r197 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (11 files in 3 dirs): First signal to libfreesmartphone Apr 16 11:32:45 * flexd dances the happy dance! Apr 16 11:36:22 openmoko: 03werner * r4365 10/developers/werner/ (bm.fig bm.pdf): Boot menu invocation timing. Apr 16 11:45:13 mickeyl: http://www.freesmartphone.org/mediawiki/index.php/Implementations/GSMD2 Apr 16 11:46:22 ah, cool! thanks a lot Apr 16 11:46:40 emdete: we should do this for pygsmd, too, once your current incarnition is stable again Apr 16 11:47:30 np :) Apr 16 11:47:36 docs on running gsmd2 along with phonesim would be nice Apr 16 11:48:43 mwester: after resume on console enter: "fbset vga" and screen is back! I think xfbdev does just the same... :D Apr 16 11:49:19 Sup3rkiddo: phonesim? what is that? Apr 16 11:50:06 its from qtopia afaik..simulates a modem in your computer...its already part of qemu-neo1973 Apr 16 11:50:21 people without hardware can hack on gsmd2 that way Apr 16 11:51:00 Ah, nice. I have to check it out. Apr 16 11:51:10 hepaajan, http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2007/10/28/qpe-430-plus-qemu/ Apr 16 11:51:45 its supposed to be buggy, but i didnt get any quirks with libgsmd Apr 16 11:53:31 hepaajan, http://sudharsh.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/pygsmdshell.png see the window in the background Apr 16 11:54:55 openmoko: 03werner * r4366 10/developers/werner/ (bm.fig bm.pdf): Added opper bound for Tinit, for clarification. Apr 16 12:00:33 what's up with the openmoko repo? it seems to be that I cannot make an image that would actually boot? Apr 16 12:01:05 it just gets stuck into a "please wait" state Apr 16 12:03:48 please wait... Apr 16 12:29:08 freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r198 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (9 files in 3 dirs): Partial implementation of get status Apr 16 13:17:56 thos: did you update th font size? Apr 16 13:20:39 ScaredyCat, no Apr 16 13:20:46 ScaredyCat, I've got to fix the other issues Apr 16 13:20:58 opkg ? Apr 16 13:33:10 ScaredyCat, no, other theme issues Apr 16 13:33:15 ScaredyCat, but yeah, I have to fix opkg too Apr 16 13:33:25 ScaredyCat, 101 things to do :-) Apr 16 13:34:26 ScaredyCat: Do you know a way to scan a SIP Call for DTMF tones? or must i implement it my self? Apr 16 13:34:55 hello everyone Apr 16 13:35:37 afaik it you should get a sip message when you press the key.... ie you shouldn;t need to decode the actual dtmf tone Apr 16 13:36:01 ScaredyCat: you remember that we were talking about this mediatrix boxes? Apr 16 13:36:12 yes Apr 16 13:36:17 ScaredyCat: are this boxes also converting the DTMF signals to SIP Messages? Apr 16 13:36:50 SIP DTMF signalling is done with INFO messages or with RTP messages, the media protocol Apr 16 13:36:58 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2833.txt Apr 16 13:37:57 okay.. and the boxes are recognizing the DTMF tone from the analog line and converts them to the info/rtp messages? Apr 16 13:38:40 I suspect so Apr 16 13:38:52 you should be able to see the sip message.. Apr 16 13:39:10 ScaredyCat: okay, thank you! Apr 16 13:39:17 np... Apr 16 13:39:30 i think I asked before, are you using asterisk Apr 16 13:40:47 it might be useful to use somehting like openSER or asterisk to experiment... both are free and fairly easy to use... I'd lean more towards openSER because it's a proper sip proxy Apr 16 13:41:04 hi all Apr 16 13:41:34 ScaredyCat: well actually im not using asterisk.. i want to integrate the system into existing PBX systems without touching them Apr 16 13:41:58 summatusmentis, howdy Apr 16 13:42:07 how goes it Sup3rkiddo Apr 16 13:42:22 ScaredyCat: and i want to control somethins by DTMF tones, which is why i'm asking if there is any conversation in this boxes. I'm waiting for a mediatrix 1204 delivery ;) Apr 16 13:42:23 summatusmentis, it goes well Apr 16 13:42:42 how close is openmoko to making and reciving calls? Apr 16 13:42:59 Sup3rkiddo: awesome, that's always good :) Apr 16 13:43:01 nezza-_-: cool... Apr 16 13:43:18 darmou: errm it does it now Apr 16 13:43:53 cool I notice it said on the wiki that qTopia is the only way to make and receive calls Apr 16 13:44:08 not true now... it used to be.... Apr 16 13:44:13 summatusmentis, :P, Apr 16 13:44:16 what page was that? Apr 16 13:44:31 ScaredyCat: i think it was the welcome page on the wiki ;) Apr 16 13:44:39 hrm Apr 16 13:45:09 some welcome page eh ;) Apr 16 13:45:20 WARNING: The Openmoko GUI applications are not suit.... ....tive to the Openmoko GUI: Qtopia 4.3.x is released under GPL and is at the edge of being usable for phone use. Apr 16 13:48:12 thank you nezza-_- Apr 16 13:48:34 any timeframe on general relase for the neo? Apr 16 13:49:19 darmou: very soon(TM) Apr 16 13:49:30 Greeting Apr 16 13:49:45 i hope it will be released in end of april/may Apr 16 13:51:14 I think that's accurate on the wiki... darmou's interpretation needs rewriting :) Apr 16 13:56:53 hello everyone Apr 16 13:57:53 may i know about if any mentor is interested in GPS related applications development for open moko platform Apr 16 13:58:24 i am an aspirant for GSoC and i have submitted my application for GSoC open moko 2008 Apr 16 14:02:11 what aspect of GPS? Apr 16 14:03:56 saurabh1403: Have you checked #openmoko-gsoc? Apr 16 14:04:01 mwester: did you read my comment in #79? Apr 16 14:04:20 mwester: btw ... good work! Thanks! Apr 16 14:04:48 there is a channel for om-gsoc? Apr 16 14:04:55 yes Apr 16 14:09:07 wurp2: ok i tried on that also...but there are very less people on that channel Apr 16 14:09:24 what aspect of GPS? Apr 16 14:09:25 Notice: openmoko-gsoc is for mentors only atm Apr 16 14:09:28 lol. Sup3rkiddo .. the last to know.. Apr 16 14:09:36 yes i got to know.. Apr 16 14:09:36 ScaredyCat, bleh to you Apr 16 14:09:40 We will open it up once the ranking is done. Apr 16 14:09:58 We need a space for mentor-only discussions right now Apr 16 14:10:16 so may i know about the scope of GPS applications incorporation in open moko Apr 16 14:10:20 why not make the channel invite only? Apr 16 14:10:39 why donn't you protect it with a password, or make it invite only until you are ready Apr 16 14:10:53 ScaredyCat, hey, i said that. Apr 16 14:11:02 Lazy? ;) Apr 16 14:11:15 lazy? Apr 16 14:11:20 To be honest, I have no idea how to do such things in IRC :) Apr 16 14:11:21 SpeedEvil: I have a lot of applications which can be built on the open moko platform. Apr 16 14:11:25 * ScaredyCat points at the little box with an i in it Apr 16 14:12:02 what irc client stefan_schmidt ? Apr 16 14:12:04 Thanks for the pointers. We will make it invite only for now Apr 16 14:12:09 ScaredyCat: Xchat Apr 16 14:12:34 yeah, so you should have op functions for invite only Apr 16 14:12:51 like distance calculation, particular actions for particular places like changing of mobile phone profile Apr 16 14:12:51 ScaredyCat: I'm not even an op :) Apr 16 14:13:03 :o Apr 16 14:13:30 :O Apr 16 14:18:36 openmoko: 03thomas * r4367 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine/ (ChangeLog data/gtk-2.0/gtkrc src/moko-draw.c): Apr 16 14:18:36 openmoko: 2008-04-16 Thomas Wood Apr 16 14:18:36 openmoko: * data/gtk-2.0/gtkrc: Add and adjust some insensitive colours Apr 16 14:18:36 openmoko: * src/moko-draw.c: (moko_draw_layout),(moko_draw_style_class_init): Apr 16 14:18:38 openmoko: Implement draw_layout to improve insensitive text Apr 16 14:25:05 RedDog: I saw your note; just tested that and it works. Apr 16 14:25:38 will it help for your work? Apr 16 14:26:03 That makes me feel a bit better, it means that I was on the right track in the code last night --- somewhere a register or such is not being saved over suspend/resume in the FB driver. Apr 16 14:26:57 The fbset vga command reinits the entire fb; worst case I can just reinit in the resume handler, but that's pretty evil! Apr 16 14:28:58 saurabh1403: Yeah, but they're almost all gsoc mentors :-) Apr 16 14:29:16 And your traffic is less likely to be lost in the spam I put out in this channel Apr 16 14:30:00 mwester: Is much of the suspend/resume code shared between 01 & FR? Apr 16 14:31:31 Almost all of it; basically each driver has a suspend/resume mechanism that gets called. So ideally the hardware differences between the two shouldn't matter. However, there are interactions between the drivers that do come into play, apparently. Apr 16 14:31:47 wurp: yes, but they requested me not to join that since it was only meant for mentor's discussion Apr 16 14:31:52 wurp2: yes, but they requested me not to join that since it was only meant for mentor's discussion Apr 16 14:32:34 probably a good thing I didn't know about it then :) Apr 16 14:33:11 ugh... is community always this small of a signal to noise ratio? Apr 16 14:38:05 openmoko: 03thomas * r4368 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine/ (COPYING ChangeLog data/gtk-2.0/gtkrc): Apr 16 14:38:05 openmoko: 2008-04-16 Thomas Wood Apr 16 14:38:05 openmoko: * data/gtk-2.0/gtkrc: Increase the size of scrollbars slightly and Apr 16 14:38:05 openmoko: remove double stepper buttons Apr 16 14:44:59 openmoko: 03thomas * r4369 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine/ (ChangeLog data/gtk-2.0/gtkrc): Apr 16 14:44:59 openmoko: 2008-04-16 Thomas Wood Apr 16 14:44:59 openmoko: * data/gtk-2.0/gtkrc: Fix labels font colour on inactive tabs Apr 16 14:51:16 saurabh1403: I'm sorry - I thought it was for candidates, too Apr 16 14:51:39 summatusmentis: The recent emails in community are pretty representative, yeah Apr 16 14:51:41 wurp2, bleh to you, old man Apr 16 14:51:49 Sup3rkiddo: :-) Apr 16 14:52:38 * Sup3rkiddo has graphics practical examination tomorrow...night all Apr 16 15:09:33 wurp2: just changed to a digest format, easier to read through Apr 16 15:09:47 summatusmentis: Oh, yeah, I'm on digest for all of those Apr 16 15:09:58 I can easily see that they'd be pretty spammy otherwise Apr 16 15:10:10 I wish there were a way to filter it to just like... Sean and Steve and Mickey Apr 16 15:10:17 I don't care that much about the rest Apr 16 15:10:29 summatusmentis: gmail + filters... Apr 16 15:10:32 or most other clients Apr 16 15:10:53 I've thought about it Apr 16 15:11:26 is there anyone here who wants to buy me a FreeRunner when it's available? Apr 16 15:11:27 :-P Apr 16 15:16:13 Can I plz do that Apr 16 15:16:58 If you'd be so kind and let me buy you a Freerunner, I'd be soooooooooooo happy Apr 16 15:19:18 Basheri: I'd be much obliged, I'm glad I can help you fulfill your life goal Apr 16 15:21:46 hehe =D Apr 16 15:22:24 hi mickeyl Apr 16 15:40:47 openmoko: 03thomas * r4370 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine/ (ChangeLog src/moko-draw.c): Apr 16 15:40:47 openmoko: 2008-04-16 Thomas Wood Apr 16 15:40:47 openmoko: * src/moko-draw.c: (moko_draw_box): Update remove prelight hack Apr 16 15:50:22 hi all Apr 16 16:11:39 * ahven viskit (tallinn funk remix) - higha collection 6 (illcd037) - ookulm (x«amarok) Apr 16 18:05:00 hi all Apr 16 18:09:18 yo Apr 16 18:18:39 howdy Apr 16 18:19:10 hmm... I need to figure out a way to get money to buy a FreeRunner :) Apr 16 18:19:51 summatusmentis: I'd suggest sell your body but no one would pay for it, would they? :/ Apr 16 18:20:03 * doc|work can't even give his away :( Apr 16 18:20:09 Hehe Apr 16 18:20:14 not funny :( Apr 16 18:20:17 lol, I don't think they would, and I think my girlfriend might hate that Apr 16 18:20:18 * doc|work sobs gently Apr 16 18:20:30 summatusmentis: i hear kidneys are pretty pricy these days Apr 16 18:20:50 I figure there's a reason we have two though Apr 16 18:21:04 summatusmentis: Yes, so you can sell one and keep the other. Apr 16 18:21:04 The FreeRunner is kind of kidney shaped.. ;) Apr 16 18:21:08 It's for when you need extr... Apr 16 18:21:10 dammit Apr 16 18:21:14 woohoo, 3 people here (and potentially mroe with one person's friends) want in on a 10-pack Apr 16 18:21:24 doc|work: Where is here? Apr 16 18:21:29 vancouver, canada Apr 16 18:21:39 :-/ that's nowhere near Maine, or MN Apr 16 18:21:40 and I only sent the email this morning Apr 16 18:21:43 summatusmentis: hah Apr 16 18:21:43 Yeah, prolly a little far for me to jump in there :-) Apr 16 18:57:34 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist_-_Hardware_-_Novel_Devices has some pretty far out stuff, and that's not even the 'unlikely' list Apr 16 18:57:46 I mean, one person wants to put slr lenses onto his cameraphone... Apr 16 18:59:47 * SpeedEvil hits that person over the head with the conservation of brightness. Apr 16 19:00:08 heh Apr 16 19:00:26 so, new cases then? :) Apr 16 19:00:35 * doc|work doesn't especially like the current one :/ Apr 16 19:00:46 (shape, not colour) Apr 16 19:04:52 who's making them? Apr 16 19:05:55 mwester: i did a patch for this fbdev wakup thing, can you please take a look at it and comment it? Apr 16 19:08:50 lalalallaa lallala laalala lalala plop.. Apr 16 19:10:05 summatusmentis: you are Apr 16 19:10:10 thanks by the way :) Apr 16 19:10:21 lol, oh no!! Apr 16 19:10:38 also, I know everyone's saying 'if you want cases, make them', but moulds are expensive to make and openmoko has them made already :/ Apr 16 19:11:28 yeah, but that's kinda the point of releasing the CAD files Apr 16 19:11:32 I like the current case Apr 16 19:11:34 rounded corners Apr 16 19:11:36 RedDog: :) Thanks - that looks like a good solution. I'm curious why we're seeing this and no other s3c2410 systems are, but perhaps we're just on the bleeding edge. Apr 16 19:11:41 mean I can hide it up my ass when I'm in prison Apr 16 19:12:05 summatusmentis: even with the cad files the moulds are expensive :/ Apr 16 19:12:09 ewon: I think I've seen your photo Apr 16 19:12:24 doc|home: yes, it's probably true Apr 16 19:12:26 * doc|work looks at ewon Apr 16 19:12:39 If you can hide a neo up your ass Apr 16 19:13:02 ewon: you realise it's about 4+inches long and 2.5/3 inches wide, right? thick too Apr 16 19:13:18 actually, you know what, don't respond to that please Apr 16 19:13:20 :) Apr 16 19:13:26 Pics! Apr 16 19:13:33 (or not actually, kthx) Apr 16 19:13:36 * doc|work stabs out his own eyes Apr 16 19:13:49 SpeedEvil: goatse.cx Apr 16 19:13:57 Hence the earlier comment Apr 16 19:14:00 doc|home: that's an alternate use for the stylus! Apr 16 19:14:22 Or you can just use the lasers if you're concerned about cosmetics Apr 16 19:14:49 SpeedEvil: depends on if we get a stylus :/ Apr 16 19:24:55 http://lwn.net/Articles/278132/ Apr 16 19:25:06 [ Atheros hires ath5k developer [LWN.net] ] Apr 16 19:25:14 ath5k? Apr 16 19:25:24 some open source atheros driver Apr 16 19:25:38 oh Apr 16 19:25:43 atheros chipsets being wifi Apr 16 19:25:53 right right Apr 16 19:26:00 what sort of wifi chip's in the neo? Apr 16 19:26:04 how open is that? Apr 16 19:26:09 hmm... no idea Apr 16 19:29:04 * ScaredyCat tweets Apr 16 19:31:37 * ScaredyCat hates that stupid multitap with a vengance Apr 16 19:32:31 what do you hate multitap for? Apr 16 19:33:45 because it's useless Apr 16 19:34:00 and it vanishes on password fields Apr 16 19:34:14 and you can't hide it manually Apr 16 19:34:30 ultitap? Apr 16 19:34:40 ScaredyCat: Why don't you have the code to swap it out in your reset script that you run after burning a new rootfs? Apr 16 19:34:42 ScaredyCat: what do you mean? Apr 16 19:34:42 wtf is with the first character missing when I type shit :( Apr 16 19:35:01 wurp2: I know I should... Apr 16 19:35:21 summatusmentis: which bit? Apr 16 19:35:52 ScaredyCat: how does multitap disappear? I don't get it Apr 16 19:36:08 ok, 1 sec - I'll do you a screen shot Apr 16 19:38:39 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=1 Apr 16 19:39:38 so... Apr 16 19:39:55 refresh, you'll get the 2nd pic Apr 16 19:40:12 when you type in a normal text field it pops up... Apr 16 19:40:15 oh, the keyboard thinger, I get it Apr 16 19:40:23 when you move to a password field it vanishes Apr 16 19:41:00 ScaredyCat: It's so people don't shoulder-surf your password Apr 16 19:41:05 smart Apr 16 19:41:05 It's a feature. Apr 16 19:41:06 ... Apr 16 19:41:10 :) Apr 16 19:41:24 wurp2: you CAN'T type a password Apr 16 19:41:37 ScaredyCat: Yeah, that's for EXTRA security Apr 16 19:41:44 llo Apr 16 19:41:45 Even if someone knows your password, they still can't get in Apr 16 19:41:52 * ScaredyCat burries wurp2 in the sand... Apr 16 19:41:55 ... head first Apr 16 19:44:49 oh, and when you use an external keyboard..... it still multitaps... Apr 16 19:45:42 so if you tried to type 'Attention' you'd get 'Auention' Apr 16 19:50:45 *CRY* Apr 16 19:50:56 bumhole Apr 16 19:54:00 * * OM Bug 1349 has been created by scaredycat(AT)automated.it Apr 16 19:54:01 * * Multitap keypad disappears on password fields Apr 16 19:54:02 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1349 Apr 16 19:56:12 * mwester looks at the netsplit list to see who was in the wrong dimension... Apr 16 19:59:04 ScaredyCat: If you uninstall the multitap keyboard and install the matchbox, the matchbox no longer multitaps Apr 16 19:59:13 * doc|work just read scrollback Apr 16 19:59:15 wurp2++ Apr 16 20:00:02 ScaredyCat: You've seen Switching_Keyboards on the wiki? Apr 16 20:03:16 I have done Switching_Keyboards, but has anyone encountered by bug# 1270? Apr 16 20:03:19 http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1270 Apr 16 20:04:19 re: someone's earlier question about what wifi hw the FR uses: GTA02 is running an AR6001 802.11 b/g chipset from Atheros Apr 16 20:04:27 per the guy who wrote the driver :-) Apr 16 20:05:06 quicksand: Yes! I had the same issue! Apr 16 20:05:24 I had never used my bt kbd before, and I thought it might be some config issue in the kbd itself Apr 16 20:05:47 This happened via BT? Apr 16 20:05:48 And I didn't recognize the association between usb being plugged in Apr 16 20:06:06 iirc Apr 16 20:06:11 I will test tonight Apr 16 20:06:24 if I remember :-) Apr 16 20:06:28 Would you? Plz update the bug if you get the same results! Would love to see it fixed. Apr 16 20:07:37 (Of course, AFAIK matchbox-keyboard is an interim solution at best, so we might not see much energy put into it by OM.) Apr 16 20:08:02 But if it's BT it might not have anything to do with that package. Hm. Apr 16 20:08:09 Hmm, what is the expected new solution? Apr 16 20:08:22 raster's keyboard in illume Apr 16 20:08:30 ah Apr 16 20:08:46 (Hopefully not that multitap. Ugh.) Apr 16 20:08:57 no kidding Apr 16 20:09:07 Does raster's kbd include any zoom-in feature? Apr 16 20:09:26 I haven't tried it yet. Tonight, maybe, if my wife lets me have the time. ;-) Apr 16 20:09:34 i.e. do I have a way to see if I've selected the right key when typing with fingers? Apr 16 20:09:45 He says it's in SVN Apr 16 20:09:46 Where is it? Apr 16 20:09:48 Ah Apr 16 20:10:06 I still don't have a build env set up :-( Apr 16 20:10:41 Oh, well, I'll report back here if it's good/useful/crappy/whatever. Apr 16 20:10:47 heh Apr 16 20:10:53 And try to post some screenshots. Apr 16 20:11:07 I thought raster said he was gonna post a bunch Apr 16 20:11:18 ^^ sarcasm ^^ Apr 16 20:11:22 Heh. Apr 16 20:11:34 Right after he posts a bunch of videos. Apr 16 20:12:20 Which I thought was right after he ports vista to the FR Apr 16 20:14:33 That would be AWESOME! Woo, UAC prompts on my phone! Apr 16 20:15:33 I have actually never even sat at the kbd of a pc running vista, I am very happy to say Apr 16 20:15:37 Phone rings. "Windows needs your permission to continue . . . to continue, type an administrator password and press Continue." Apr 16 20:15:45 awesome Apr 16 20:15:54 Of course, on OM that just means hitting enter Apr 16 20:16:02 Heh, touche. Apr 16 20:16:30 I used the Vista beta and RC for a while, then abandoned it. Apr 16 20:16:45 * wurp2 shudders. Apr 16 20:17:11 I have XP on my laptop, because we occasionally need Windows to run some app Apr 16 20:17:23 I now have a licensed XP installation in a VM for when I really, really need it (interoperability, etc.). Apr 16 20:17:26 but I primarily use my desktop, which has been Linux for 8 yrs or so Apr 16 20:17:49 I should migrate my laptop to Ubuntu and set up a VM for Windows Apr 16 20:17:58 but I am lazy, and it's not a necessity Apr 16 20:18:59 Windows is still good for some things -- photo printing in particular. Drivers just aren't that great in linux for the advanced super-small-droplet photo-quality printing even cheapo printers have these days. Apr 16 20:20:05 quicksand: that's not windows, that's the printer manufacturers Apr 16 20:20:15 * doc|work smacks :/ Apr 16 20:20:40 Well, yeah, but given that I HAVE the printer and want to print some photos, my short-term options are limited. Apr 16 20:22:14