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Apr 21 04:16:18 <rtm> Is it possible for an application to be alerted when it has been placed in the background.   By that I mean that some other application is controlling the display.   I'd like my Ap. to stop refreshing its graphic output when that output is not visible to the user.
Apr 21 04:18:16 <raster> check your visibilitynotify events
Apr 21 04:18:18 <raster> :)
Apr 21 04:18:34 <raster> u'll get events when u are partly visible, fully and not visible at all
Apr 21 04:19:42 <rtm> raster: Thanks!
Apr 21 04:20:01 <raster> well thats on the x11 level
Apr 21 04:20:06 <raster> not sure what toolkit u are using
Apr 21 04:20:15 <raster> but most toolkits should expose this in one way or another
Apr 21 04:20:25 <rtm> I'm just using GTK and X11...
Apr 21 04:20:25 <raster> might be called something different - but likely similar
Apr 21 04:20:28 <raster> just hunt it down
Apr 21 04:20:35 <raster> not sure what gtk maps that too
Apr 21 04:21:02 <raster> GdkEventVisibility
Apr 21 04:21:09 <raster> GDK_VISIBILITY_NOTIFY
Apr 21 04:21:17 <rtm> Cool - thanks again.
Apr 21 05:51:22 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r235 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Added function definitions to pyfreesmartphone.pyx and some libfreesmartphone headers.
Apr 21 06:10:20 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r236 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/test/pyfreesmartphone.pyx: gsmd2/test/pyfreesmartphone.pyx: Print error messages also in libfso tests
Apr 21 06:23:28 <methril> morning
Apr 21 06:26:31 <charlie137> morning
Apr 21 06:30:01 <mbuf> morning
Apr 21 06:46:20 <mave_pan> morning
Apr 21 07:09:00 <Hopscotch> good morning
Apr 21 07:20:31 <mbuf> Hopscotch, good morning
Apr 21 07:34:17 <ScaredyCat> ..
Apr 21 08:30:46 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r237 10/trunk/software/pyneod/ (7 files in 2 dirs): 
Apr 21 08:30:46 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: fixes for gta01
Apr 21 08:30:46 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: incoming call signaling fixed
Apr 21 08:30:46 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: incoming sms signaling fixed
Apr 21 08:31:29 <Mek> teprrr: ping
Apr 21 08:38:16 <gregorovius> does a cellphone that can play ogg vorbis / flac exist?
Apr 21 08:51:11 <thos> cworth, yes, just testing arc performance
Apr 21 09:13:31 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r238 10/trunk/software/pyneod/pygsm/ (ficmodem.py genericmodem.py): due to missing docs on AT+CPI just issue a AT+CPAS
Apr 21 09:19:50 <CIA-42> openmoko: 03thomas * r4382 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/tests/libopkg_test.c: opkg: add update packages lists call to libopkg_test
Apr 21 10:38:33 <SpeedEvil> how can I tell my phone number from the GUI?
Apr 21 10:42:59 <raster> god a dead chicken and a serrated knife?
Apr 21 10:43:02 <raster> got
Apr 21 10:43:03 <raster> i mean
Apr 21 10:43:40 <SpeedEvil> As it happens, yes. Parts of anyway.
Apr 21 10:49:06 <SpeedEvil> 07943894922
Apr 21 10:49:10 <SpeedEvil> oops
Apr 21 10:49:37 <thos> SpeedEvil, i think you can get the subscribed number from the phonekit dbus interface
Apr 21 10:50:22 <SpeedEvil> 'from the gui'
Apr 21 10:50:26 <SpeedEvil> :)
Apr 21 10:50:31 <raster> SpeedEvil: well. take your neo. put it on the table. slit the chicken's through and cover the neo with blood.
Apr 21 10:50:34 <SpeedEvil> Anyway - I did it the high-tech way.
Apr 21 10:50:35 <raster> make sure its nicely soaked
Apr 21 10:50:37 <raster> no dry bits
Apr 21 10:50:44 <SpeedEvil> phone my landline
Apr 21 10:50:45 <raster> ...
Apr 21 10:50:47 <raster> awwwww
Apr 21 10:50:56 <raster> and i was just beginning to have fun
Apr 21 10:51:14 <SpeedEvil> Anyway - I only have on average one chicken.
Apr 21 10:51:21 <SpeedEvil> It's really 12 chicken legs.
Apr 21 10:52:20 <spyre> imho you get better results with peanut butter and a broom, but chicken might be faster..
Apr 21 10:53:27 <raster> thats not enough chicken
Apr 21 10:55:07 * SpeedEvil conjours the chicken into a centipede-like monster, hands it a can of blue paint, an airline ticket, and sets it to paint raster completely blue.
Apr 21 11:00:18 <raster> hmmn
Apr 21 11:00:21 <raster> not sure i like blue
Apr 21 11:01:17 * SpeedEvil mails it a can of yellow, and has it do a gradient fill.
Apr 21 11:05:13 <SpeedEvil> Radio 4 now
Apr 21 11:05:17 <SpeedEvil> on fake mobile phones
Apr 21 11:05:27 <SpeedEvil> Fake nokias
Apr 21 11:05:32 <SpeedEvil> n95
Apr 21 11:07:50 <Sup3rkiddo> Noklas
Apr 21 11:10:25 <SpeedEvil> Apparantely was visually identical
Apr 21 11:10:31 <SpeedEvil> (without turning on)
Apr 21 11:10:48 <Sup3rkiddo> they are damn cheap here
Apr 21 11:11:17 <SpeedEvil> IIRC the number quoted was 150 quid vs 400
Apr 21 11:11:20 <Sup3rkiddo> usually fun as well...my friends have Apol lphone
Apr 21 11:11:29 <SpeedEvil> :)
Apr 21 11:11:55 <Sup3rkiddo> they have this powerful speakers which can be used to freak out people
Apr 21 11:35:37 <caratorn> Does anyone know if it is possible to emulate Expose Xevents in the qemu emulator?
Apr 21 12:23:49 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r239 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (14 files in 2 dirs): 
Apr 21 12:23:49 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: Fix SIM tests
Apr 21 12:23:49 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: Move commands to relevant files
Apr 21 13:04:39 * flexd senses a phone is near!
Apr 21 13:05:50 <tc> All this talk on the mailing list about GTA02v5 has confused me. If I order the day the phones are released will I get a v6? If I get a v5 will the power consumption on the LEDs be a bit more than the v6?
Apr 21 13:06:03 <SpeedEvil> Only when on.
Apr 21 13:06:11 <SpeedEvil> (the LEDs)
Apr 21 13:06:33 <SpeedEvil> I am unsure - the posted power consumption numbers make no sense.
Apr 21 13:06:50 <tc> so v5's will ship?
Apr 21 13:07:03 <SpeedEvil> That's been stated on the MLs.
Apr 21 13:07:37 <mjr> based on community list, apparently the v5's that will be sold have the led issue optimized, there was some other small difference to v6...
Apr 21 13:08:45 <mjr> "
Apr 21 13:08:45 <mjr> This confusion comes from time latency of series of events, but no 
Apr 21 13:08:47 <mjr> matter A5 or A6 should all apply the LED transistor change."
Apr 21 13:11:51 <SpeedEvil> AH
Apr 21 13:12:01 <flexd> I think the issue was only in the test versions, it was fixed before mass production. But the changes in A6 is another issue (some other fix)
Apr 21 13:12:45 <tc> It's still a bit ambiguous to me
Apr 21 13:12:48 <SpeedEvil> One way of reading the 'A5 will ship' is 'we've built 4000'
Apr 21 13:12:57 <mjr> SpeedEvil, :]
Apr 21 13:13:29 <SpeedEvil> Actually - on reflection - they've probably ordered 5000 PCBs
Apr 21 13:13:32 <mjr> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#GTA02_A5_to_A6_changes
Apr 21 13:13:57 <mjr> there's a note there on a couple of differences that they apply also to mass-prod A5
Apr 21 13:14:01 <SpeedEvil> Or 1000, or a largish number. So there would be a not utterly trivial expense in scrappign them.
Apr 21 13:14:21 <SpeedEvil> Even if the PCBs have not had stuff put on them.
Apr 21 13:17:18 <tc> This is a small problem and it looks like it's a non-issue now anyway - but it would be nice to have further clarification. Hopefully Steve will sum everything up today
Apr 21 13:17:53 <SpeedEvil> As an example - a 6 layer ,1mm spacing 80*50m board costs $2.82 in 1000s
Apr 21 13:18:10 <SpeedEvil> (pcbcart.com)
Apr 21 13:18:23 <SpeedEvil> mm
Apr 21 13:18:40 <tc> but have they had components soldered on them yet?
Apr 21 13:18:53 <SpeedEvil> This is sheerly speculation.
Apr 21 13:19:02 <SpeedEvil> shearly?
Apr 21 13:19:06 * SpeedEvil is unsure.
Apr 21 13:19:38 * SpeedEvil isn't very good on entemology.
Apr 21 13:20:50 <SpeedEvil> I'm basically over-analysing from too little data.
Apr 21 13:21:03 <tc> SpeedEvil: I'm 99% sure you're right, but everything seems to be based on hear'say
Apr 21 13:23:11 <tc> If someone from openmoko said "Yes, we're going to ship x many v5's but the power consumption will not any different from the v6" that would put everything to bed.
Apr 21 13:23:42 <SpeedEvil> Or 'we're shipping v5, and it's $10 cheaper'
Apr 21 13:24:35 <tc> yeah..
Apr 21 13:29:09 <broedje> wyrm , is there an mtd a780 alternate inside your ftp or elsewhere? i looked on goxbox..but
Apr 21 13:29:27 <broedje> the zImage
Apr 21 13:30:05 <broedje> cannot rock through the backup in the first quarter of the dualboot in openezx
Apr 21 13:33:23 <summatusmentis> hi all
Apr 21 13:43:09 <cworth> thos: Seriously?!
Apr 21 13:43:26 <cworth> thos: If so, you'll be the first new user of X arcs in at least a decade I think.
Apr 21 14:06:36 <Mek> anyone know what could be wrong when while building openmoko-devel-image the mkfs.jffs2 call exits with a SIGABRT?
Apr 21 14:08:44 <thos> cworth, well
Apr 21 14:08:55 <thos> cworth, I was comparing performance
Apr 21 14:09:26 <thos> cworth, because I really don't want to use X arcs, but I wanted to check that cairo arc was not too slow on the device
Apr 21 14:09:28 <cworth> thos: Sure. But performance on things that nobdoy uses surely cannot be interesting.
Apr 21 14:10:04 <thos> cworth, I was using them
Apr 21 14:10:21 <cworth> thos: Then I'm impressed!
Apr 21 14:10:29 <thos> cworth, because cairo wasn't available when we were using gtk 2.6 for a start
Apr 21 14:10:29 <cworth> :-)
Apr 21 14:10:45 <thos> cworth, well, i was using gdk_draw_arc obviously
Apr 21 14:11:05 <cworth> thos: Most people in that timeframe were using things like libart and gnomecanvas, (creating graphics client-side and then pushing the resulting images to the X server).
Apr 21 14:11:36 <thos> cworth, right, but neither of those are available
Apr 21 14:11:50 <thos> cworth, and you certainly would be unlikely to use them in a gtk-engine
Apr 21 14:12:20 <cworth> thos: So, anyway. How has your performance comparison played out?
Apr 21 14:13:29 <thos> cworth, after setting the tollerance to 1 and turning AA off, cairo arcs where about 25% slower than X
Apr 21 14:16:29 <thos> cworth, 1.52 vs 1.79 sec to draw 300 circles
Apr 21 14:17:25 <thos> cworth, using a sync after each draw to make sure it's more fair
Apr 21 14:20:31 <CIA-42> openmoko: 03thomas * r4383 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (opkg.c opkg.h): libopkg: add opkg_read_config_files() function
Apr 21 14:28:48 <SpeedEvil> Hmm. New community ML sport.
Apr 21 14:28:53 <SpeedEvil> It's like cow-tipping.
Apr 21 14:28:58 <SpeedEvil> developer tipping.
Apr 21 14:30:36 <edistar_> SpeedEvil: will you tip me? :)
Apr 21 14:32:13 * SpeedEvil gets out archimedes lever.
Apr 21 14:33:02 * edistar_ hides :)
Apr 21 14:33:17 <CIA-42> openmoko: 03thomas * r4384 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg.c: libopkg: add some checks for NULL strings
Apr 21 14:33:49 <CIA-42> openmoko: 03thomas * r4385 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/tests/libopkg_test.c: opkg: add opkg_read_config_files() to libopkg_test
Apr 21 14:47:20 <summatusmentis> feel better mickey|sick 
Apr 21 14:47:48 <Sup3rkiddo> summatusmentis, y0
Apr 21 14:47:50 <mickey|sick> thanks
Apr 21 14:48:01 <summatusmentis> hey Sup3rkiddo 
Apr 21 15:21:50 <uda> what exactly is Freerunner? is that just a new name for the GTA02?
Apr 21 15:22:29 <mjr> ye
Apr 21 15:22:30 <xaid|work> uda: yes
Apr 21 15:22:44 <uda> sweet. that was easy
Apr 21 15:25:54 <mib_rfm9sz4o> hey
Apr 21 15:26:04 <summatusmentis> hi mib_rfm9sz4o 
Apr 21 15:29:44 <mib_rfm9sz4o> this chat has to do with 802.11?
Apr 21 15:31:26 <ScaredyCat> don't you w
Apr 21 15:31:45 <mib_rfm9sz4o> w?
Apr 21 15:32:06 <mjr> mib_rfm9sz4o, well. The Neo FreeRunner will have 802.11(g, I believe), so marginally :]
Apr 21 15:32:07 <ScaredyCat> half typed sentance,.. 
Apr 21 15:32:12 <ScaredyCat> ignore it 
Apr 21 16:40:04 <bedboi> hi there.
Apr 21 17:48:40 <kdean06> Where are SMS messages stored in the Openmoko filesystem?
Apr 21 17:49:09 <Blastur> /dev/zero
Apr 21 17:49:54 <kdean06> Blastur, Are you sayng that they're not?
Apr 21 17:50:27 <kdean06> i.e. stored on the SIM only?
Apr 21 17:59:09 <mwester> kdean06:  in /home/root, in one of the hidden folders.
Apr 21 18:00:02 <kdean06> mwester, Do you know which one? :P Specifically, openmoko-messages is segfaulting now that I've recieved a message so I can't read it, but I think I need to. :P
Apr 21 18:00:17 <kdean06> So I don't know what I'm looking for to grep, for instance.
Apr 21 18:03:27 <mwester> /home/root/.evolution/memos/local/system/journal.ics
Apr 21 18:09:47 <pyknite> Is there on openmoko a program to backup mail/sms/calendar/... ?
Apr 21 18:10:48 <kdean06> Thanks mwester
Apr 21 18:22:20 <Ebbe> kdean06: I've had openmoko-messages to segfault when I have a null contact.
Apr 21 18:22:34 <kdean06> Ebbe, Me too. :(
Apr 21 18:22:35 <Ebbe> I've reported a bug some time ago
Apr 21 18:22:41 <kdean06> I've opened a bug on the null contact thign.
Apr 21 18:34:48 <mwester> It also truncates SMS messages at the "@" symbol, which means that many mail->SMS and web->SMS gateways deliver only the sender id, and remove the actual message.
Apr 21 18:35:38 <`pwgen`> hello
Apr 21 18:38:09 <`pwgen`> i have a "error: short SHA1 4194 is ambiguous" on kernel build .. can someone help me ?
Apr 21 18:39:49 <Mek> `pwgen`: change the rev in openembedded/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc to ${AUTOREV}
Apr 21 18:43:09 <`pwgen`> Mek: THX
Apr 21 18:59:27 <ScaredyCat> and lo it came to pass that monotone.openmoko.org sucked once more... 
Apr 21 19:07:33 <roh> ScaredyCat whats up
Apr 21 19:07:34 <balrog-kun> the suckage is never dies
Apr 21 19:07:38 <balrog-kun> s/is//
Apr 21 19:07:39 <apt> balrog-kun meant: the suckage  never dies
Apr 21 19:08:06 <roh> balrog-kun it can only become more bearable as soon as we got rid of mtn
Apr 21 19:09:26 <balrog-kun> roh: is there a concrete plan for the switch?
Apr 21 19:11:03 <balrog-kun> or do we just know that it will happen?
Apr 21 19:29:32 <Mek> bah... building with mokomakefile fails for me when creating the rootfs... somehow mkfs.jffs2 crashes (with a SIGABRT) on usr/bin/pon, usr/bin/sndfile-resample, and some other files...
Apr 21 19:29:52 <Mek> (as in, if I remove those files mkfs.jffs2 gets further, but crashes on another file)
Apr 21 19:30:54 <Mek> and it doesn't matter if I use my distro-provided mkfs.jffs2 (version 1.50), or the openembedded build one (version 1.60)
Apr 21 19:48:12 <borza> hello guys
Apr 21 19:48:25 <borza> I've been accepted to GSoC - Accelerometer Gestures
Apr 21 19:48:30 <borza> thans you very much!
Apr 21 19:48:33 <borza> thanks
Apr 21 19:48:42 <Blastur> gratz man
Apr 21 19:48:52 <Sup3rkiddo> me too
Apr 21 19:48:53 <Sup3rkiddo> :D
Apr 21 19:48:54 <Sup3rkiddo> yay
Apr 21 19:49:01 <Sup3rkiddo> borza, congrats
Apr 21 19:49:02 <SpeedEvil> borza: do you plan to implement the light saber noise, in which case you have my full support.
Apr 21 19:49:03 <Sup3rkiddo> have fun
Apr 21 19:49:14 <summatusmentis> Sup3rkiddo: congrats! :-)
Apr 21 19:49:23 <kdean06> +1 to SpeedEvil's comment.
Apr 21 19:49:24 <Sup3rkiddo> summatusmentis, yay..and you?
Apr 21 19:49:32 <SpeedEvil> Campanological training aid too!
Apr 21 19:49:50 <summatusmentis> Sup3rkiddo: got a mail(for another org)
Apr 21 19:50:02 <borza> congrats Sup3rkiddo
Apr 21 19:50:12 <Sup3rkiddo> summatusmentis, yay..congrats...happy hacking
Apr 21 19:50:17 <Sup3rkiddo> borg, thanks :D
Apr 21 19:50:26 <summatusmentis> Sup3rkiddo: you too dude :)
Apr 21 19:50:31 <saurabh1403> hi friends i have got selected in speech recognition system for open moko
Apr 21 19:50:40 <Sup3rkiddo> saurabh1403, cool...congrats
Apr 21 19:50:47 <saurabh1403> thanks:)
Apr 21 19:50:56 <Sup3rkiddo> http://code.google.com/soc/2008/openmoko/about.html
Apr 21 19:51:16 <Niluge_KiWi> borza: you're lucky :)
Apr 21 19:51:35 <Niluge_KiWi> I hope you'll do good work :)
Apr 21 19:52:49 <borza> thanks
Apr 21 19:53:04 <summatusmentis> congrats all!
Apr 21 19:55:35 <borza> so 3 student for OpenMoko this year?
Apr 21 19:55:43 <borza> 3 students
Apr 21 19:56:34 <Sup3rkiddo> 10
Apr 21 19:57:33 <balrog-kun> Sup3rkiddo: congrats! what's the project's title?
Apr 21 19:57:59 <Sup3rkiddo> balrog-kun, odeviced
Apr 21 19:58:18 <balrog-kun> okays
Apr 21 19:58:36 <pyknite> great for yu guys ;)
Apr 21 19:58:43 <summatusmentis> Sup3rkiddo: it looks like an interesting project :)
Apr 21 19:58:54 <Sup3rkiddo> balrog-kun, http://code.google.com/soc/2008/openmoko/appinfo.html?csaid=C4E490026007DA79
Apr 21 19:59:00 <Sup3rkiddo> summatusmentis, thanks :P
Apr 21 19:59:47 <borza> oh you're right
Apr 21 20:00:03 <balrog-kun> cool stuff
Apr 21 20:00:03 <borza> that's great
Apr 21 20:00:24 <d3vice> you  guys  rock !
Apr 21 20:01:33 <CIA-42> openmoko: 03reddog 07andy-tracking * re975f12562c1 10/sound/soc/s3c24xx/neo1973_wm8753.c: From 77eb347463c7a50761666caacbf9b46b3d8214ac Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
Apr 21 20:01:34 <CIA-42> openmoko: 03reddog 07andy-tracking * ref6d02685108 10/sound/soc/s3c24xx/ (Kconfig neo1973_wm8753.c s3c24xx-i2s.c s3c24xx-pcm.c): From c1baaa80d398008fb4da52cd20f3dbb3fb256892 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
Apr 21 20:04:06 <roh> wow.. cool
Apr 21 20:04:07 <CIA-42> openmoko: 03reddog 07andy * reff60ede70bd 10/sound/soc/s3c24xx/neo1973_wm8753.c: From 77eb347463c7a50761666caacbf9b46b3d8214ac Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
Apr 21 20:04:08 <CIA-42> openmoko: 03reddog 07andy * rcad594a5edf1 10/sound/soc/s3c24xx/ (Kconfig neo1973_wm8753.c s3c24xx-i2s.c s3c24xx-pcm.c): From c1baaa80d398008fb4da52cd20f3dbb3fb256892 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
Apr 21 20:04:39 <roh> heeey... and it seems my cia-hackery on git works
Apr 21 20:05:01 <CIA-42> openmoko: 03reddog 07stable * rbceecd55152c 10/sound/soc/s3c24xx/neo1973_wm8753.c: From 77eb347463c7a50761666caacbf9b46b3d8214ac Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
Apr 21 20:05:01 <CIA-42> openmoko: 03reddog 07stable * recbd7cc4182e 10/sound/soc/s3c24xx/ (Kconfig neo1973_wm8753.c s3c24xx-i2s.c s3c24xx-pcm.c): From c1baaa80d398008fb4da52cd20f3dbb3fb256892 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
Apr 21 20:05:09 <kinneh> cia is fast
Apr 21 20:05:28 <kinneh> sometimes it announces my commits before I commit them :-)
Apr 21 20:05:36 <summatusmentis> lol
Apr 21 20:05:42 <kinneh> (other project though)
Apr 21 20:06:11 <ScaredyCat> start to worry when it commits fixes to your code before you commit
Apr 21 20:06:47 <kinneh> hehe
Apr 21 20:10:23 <CIA-42> openmoko: 03reddog 07stable * rb22975802d89 10/sound/soc/s3c24xx/neo1973_wm8753.c: This-fixes-the-exit-function-so-that-the-module-can.patch
Apr 21 20:10:24 <CIA-42> openmoko: 03reddog 07stable * r1796e3d226fd 10/sound/soc/s3c24xx/ (Kconfig neo1973_wm8753.c s3c24xx-i2s.c s3c24xx-pcm.c): This-adds-some-debug-messages-to-the-Neo1937-sound-d.patch
Apr 21 20:11:12 <CIA-42> openmoko: 03reddog 07andy * r954823764ced 10/sound/soc/s3c24xx/neo1973_wm8753.c: This-fixes-the-exit-function-so-that-the-module-can.patch
Apr 21 20:11:12 <CIA-42> openmoko: 03reddog 07andy * rf0409043eaf7 10/sound/soc/s3c24xx/ (Kconfig neo1973_wm8753.c s3c24xx-i2s.c s3c24xx-pcm.c): This-adds-some-debug-messages-to-the-Neo1937-sound-d.patch
Apr 21 20:12:48 <CIA-42> openmoko: 03reddog 07andy-tracking * rb51d9ce5aadc 10/sound/soc/s3c24xx/neo1973_wm8753.c: This-fixes-the-exit-function-so-that-the-module-can.patch
Apr 21 20:12:48 <CIA-42> openmoko: 03reddog 07andy-tracking * r590ec070c74a 10/sound/soc/s3c24xx/ (Kconfig neo1973_wm8753.c s3c24xx-i2s.c s3c24xx-pcm.c): This-adds-some-debug-messages-to-the-Neo1937-sound-d.patch
Apr 21 20:17:11 <ScaredyCat> hrrrm
Apr 21 20:17:58 <ScaredyCat> isn't the gsoc remote control already available...
Apr 21 20:18:17 <ScaredyCat> xkbd-bthid...
Apr 21 20:21:05 <abraxa_> Some applications are interesting, to say the least
Apr 21 20:22:59 <Sup3rkiddo> gnight all...
Apr 21 20:23:33 <abraxa_> Nighty night, Sup3rkiddo
Apr 21 20:44:55 <ectomorph> anyone know when the freerunner will be released ?
Apr 21 20:46:13 <mjr> Yes, at some time.
Apr 21 20:46:31 <ectomorph> hehe
Apr 21 20:46:36 <ectomorph> this year ?
Apr 21 20:46:41 <ectomorph> quarter ?
Apr 21 20:47:05 <mjr> actually, Real Soon Now
Apr 21 20:47:28 <ectomorph> ok, sounds good.. can't wait for it
Apr 21 20:47:29 <ectomorph> :)
Apr 21 20:49:02 <rtm> I'm betting we'll get it exactly one year after the neo1973.
Apr 21 20:49:19 <CVirus> will get what exactly ?
Apr 21 20:49:31 <rtm> It's just a guess.
Apr 21 20:50:58 <rtm> CVirus: We'll get the Freerunner.
Apr 21 20:51:10 <CVirus> ah ok
Apr 21 20:54:34 <ectomorph> will there be any supported map programs for the gps module ?
Apr 21 20:55:48 <SpeedEvil> Not in the nicely canned routing app sense.
Apr 21 20:55:54 <SpeedEvil> The problem isn't the app.
Apr 21 20:55:56 <SpeedEvil> It's the map data.
Apr 21 20:56:08 <SpeedEvil> OSM is - sort-of - there in some places.
Apr 21 20:56:17 <rtm> tangoGPS works pretty well, I think.
Apr 21 20:56:26 <SpeedEvil> And mapping via downloading tiles works too.
Apr 21 20:56:59 <SpeedEvil> mapping as in viewing a map.
Apr 21 20:57:03 <ectomorph> it will work more as a locator then a navigator then ?
Apr 21 20:57:04 <SpeedEvil> Or google-maps
Apr 21 20:57:25 <SpeedEvil> Yes. Navigation is a basically impossible problem with available data.
Apr 21 20:57:42 <rtm> Why is navigation impossible?
Apr 21 20:57:47 <SpeedEvil> Lack of data.
Apr 21 20:57:58 <SpeedEvil> In 99.9% of cases
Apr 21 20:58:13 <rtm> But, you can download street maps , and satellite images.
Apr 21 20:58:14 <SpeedEvil> I mean navigation without downloading route oor map informationn form google forex.
Apr 21 20:58:32 <SpeedEvil> yes - that works. Navigation is a seperate problem.
Apr 21 20:58:40 <rtm> 2op "Oh - so you mean route planning?
Apr 21 20:58:44 <SpeedEvil> yes
Apr 21 20:58:55 <rtm> Gotcha - I agree with that.
Apr 21 20:59:46 <rtm> But my Magellan has told me "Take U-turn followed by.... U-Turn" to many times for me to trust machine route finding.
Apr 21 21:00:01 <SpeedEvil> Yeah.
Apr 21 21:00:28 <SpeedEvil> I have a cheaper mapping thingy - and it's got problems.
Apr 21 21:01:04 <rtm> What I really want is USGS topo maps to be downloadable.
Apr 21 21:01:17 <kdean06> Can anyone tell me the official way to manually suspend a GTA01? I understand you can do it on Freerunner by pushing the POWER button for a few seconds, but I want to know how to do it on the GTA01.
Apr 21 21:01:35 <SpeedEvil> echo ram >/sys/power/state
Apr 21 21:01:58 <kdean06> SpeedEvil, That's the "official" way?
Apr 21 21:02:08 <SpeedEvil> I don't know.
Apr 21 21:02:26 <kdean06> How would a user who doesn't ssh into the device suspend it?
Apr 21 21:02:32 <kdean06> I.e. "Regular user".
Apr 21 21:02:48 <ScaredyCat> turn on dim then lock in pm
Apr 21 21:03:04 <ScaredyCat> you ca't force suspend, you have to wait
Apr 21 21:03:12 <kdean06> ScaredyCat, Thought so. :) 
Apr 21 21:03:22 <ScaredyCat> unless someone adds the option :)
Apr 21 21:03:54 <rtm> Why do they label it "dim and lock" rather than "dim and suspend"?  "Lock" makes it sound like you'll need a password to re-activate it.
Apr 21 21:04:13 <edistar> rtm: why not change it?
Apr 21 21:04:42 <ScaredyCat> rtm: you're right.. it's the wrong wording
Apr 21 21:05:07 <ScaredyCat> dim and suspend..
Apr 21 21:05:17 <ScaredyCat> but then , suspend didn;t work before...
Apr 21 21:05:24 <ScaredyCat> so it was right :)
Apr 21 21:05:39 <kdean06> The term "lock" for mobiles makes me think "enter your pin to reactivate the phone" not "power save". :)
Apr 21 21:05:40 <edistar> hehe, locked for good
Apr 21 21:05:45 <rtm> Touche' !
Apr 21 21:05:48 <kdean06> And as of this moment, there's neither feature.
Apr 21 21:05:49 <ScaredyCat> it would dim, then lockup the device
Apr 21 21:06:19 <ScaredyCat> well, suspend works kdean06...
Apr 21 21:06:56 <kdean06> ScaredyCat, Suspend works in SOME cases. :) 
Apr 21 21:07:02 <kdean06> Resume sorta works. :)
Apr 21 21:07:23 <ScaredyCat> suspend is working every time for me... it's the resume that doesn;t work properly
Apr 21 21:07:23 <rtm> Maybe call it "Dim and suspense"
Apr 21 21:08:06 <kdean06> ScaredyCat, Wake on incoming call works, but I'm not sure GSM actually resumes. :P
Apr 21 21:08:12 <kdean06> Sound is certainly broken.
Apr 21 21:08:17 <ScaredyCat> neod comes back in the background...
Apr 21 21:08:30 <ScaredyCat> no I think sound is buggered on resume
Apr 21 21:08:56 <ScaredyCat> s/no/yes/
Apr 21 21:08:56 <apt> ScaredyCat meant: yes I think sound is buggered on resume
Apr 21 21:09:01 * SpeedEvil wonders about suspend-disk.
Apr 21 21:09:12 <ScaredyCat> where to SpeedEvil
Apr 21 21:09:21 <SpeedEvil> swap
Apr 21 21:09:35 * ScaredyCat has been whittering on about suspend2 for 11 months
Apr 21 21:18:19 <ScaredyCat> kdean06: have you tried removing and re probing the sound drivers/
Apr 21 21:18:28 <ScaredyCat> after a resume
Apr 21 21:18:59 <kdean06> No.
Apr 21 21:37:54 <SpeedEvil> How do I tell tangogps to put downloaded maps on /media/card/maps ?
Apr 21 21:37:54 <SpeedEvil>  ?
Apr 21 21:38:36 <SpeedEvil> ah - got it
Apr 21 21:52:35 * SpeedEvil gets a 1-sat fix with tangogps.
Apr 21 21:52:37 * SpeedEvil waits.
Apr 21 22:13:14 <edistar> does anyone know now what project x might be?
Apr 21 22:19:35 <SpeedEvil> OpenSegway?
Apr 21 22:27:59 <amarsh04> one of my friends has already done an "open segway"
Apr 21 23:13:51 <SpeedEvil> Anyone know what 'D1' means on the front of the status line of the map of tangogps?
Apr 22 00:07:29 <summatusmentis> mickey|sofa: just thought I'd drop you a reminder about my email. No rush, just curious
Apr 22 01:12:23 <udinesh5> Are mentors here ?
Apr 22 01:19:01 <balrog-kun> probably asleep already
Apr 22 01:20:37 <roh> jap. 3:20am here in europe
Apr 22 01:20:46 <roh> american timezones are good ;)
Apr 22 01:36:41 <udinesh5> i was pretty confident about my contribution to openmoko bluetooth idea
Apr 22 01:36:47 <udinesh5> but i am not selected
Apr 22 01:36:51 <udinesh5> any reconsideration ?
Apr 22 01:37:18 <summatusmentis> udinesh5: I would be VERY surprised if there was any form of reconsideration, you could contribute anyway
Apr 22 01:38:01 <udinesh5> i am an aspiring student to contribute to bluetooth ideas
Apr 22 01:38:10 <udinesh5> pls tell me how can i contribute :) ?
Apr 22 01:38:28 <summatusmentis> write code, and submit it, I think, I'm not exactly sure :-P
Apr 22 01:38:56 <udinesh5> http://code.google.com/soc/2008/app.html?org=openmoko&csaid=udinesh5%40gmail.com%3Aeb47e684%3A-5f8a27c0 thats my student application
Apr 22 01:39:26 <udinesh5> i have already done some coding.....http://code.google.com/p/openscatternet/
Apr 22 01:39:39 <udinesh5> whom to approach now ?
Apr 22 01:40:19 <daMaestro> anyone know if the current OM builds enable me to access my blackberry mail?
Apr 22 01:40:33 <ewon> depends
Apr 22 01:40:39 <ewon> does your blackberry mail have IMAP?
Apr 22 01:40:47 <daMaestro> the damn "track ball" on my pearl b0rked on me
Apr 22 01:40:58 <daMaestro> i'm not sure if it does IMAP
Apr 22 01:41:12 <ewon> ask yourself if you really need to check your email that much :)
Apr 22 01:41:31 <daMaestro> i've got to use it for alerts ($dayjob)
Apr 22 01:41:31 <summatusmentis> yes
Apr 22 01:41:52 <ewon> I've purposefully avoided getting a smartphone
Apr 22 01:42:36 <daMaestro> i had/have no choice, and plan on using the gta02vX
Apr 22 01:42:59 <daMaestro> figured i'd at least try to get gprs going with the gta01 ... and hopefully still be able to get my alerts
Apr 22 01:43:04 <summatusmentis> I want a GTA02
Apr 22 01:43:21 <ewon> Iwant a gta02 that's readable in subnlight
Apr 22 01:48:25 <daMaestro> grr.... so i need to feed my blackberry service a IMEI and a PIN
Apr 22 01:48:45 <daMaestro> the gta01 has a IMEI... but not a "pin"... unless the serial number counts, which i think it doesn't
Apr 22 01:50:43 <daMaestro> any recommendations on what image i should flash with?
Apr 22 01:50:55 <daMaestro> i've currently got the qtopia image on it...
Apr 22 01:51:35 * daMaestro wonders if the underground image is anything special
Apr 22 02:45:13 <summatusmentis> abraxa__: did you get your project?
Apr 22 02:50:38 <CIA-42> openmoko: 03alphaone * r4386 10/developers/alphaone/ (. u-blox/ u-blox/ubx-config.rb): * Utility to configure UBX GPS receivers
Apr 22 02:58:34 <ljp> daMaestro: qtopia is the best there is :)
Apr 22 02:58:34 <edistar> raster: Hi raster, how is illume going?
Apr 22 02:59:01 <raster> edistar: you are free to follow svn :)
Apr 22 02:59:10 <summatusmentis> and by "how is illume going?" he means "why can't we see videos of the keyboard yet?" :-P
Apr 22 02:59:18 <daMaestro> ljp, yeah.., i used it for a little while, but the sound (read: ear piece) was horribly broken for incoming calls
Apr 22 02:59:20 <raster> and you will not get any
Apr 22 02:59:22 <edistar> raster: I don't have a neo, so I tried to compile it for desktop use, but it keeps segvaulting
Apr 22 02:59:23 <raster> so give up
Apr 22 02:59:38 <summatusmentis> I know, I just like thinking I will :-P
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