**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 24 02:59:56 2008 Apr 24 03:00:15 duffyd: Check your partition tables; make sure that you and the neo both agree on where the filesystem actually is... Apr 24 03:01:26 mwester: yeah looks fine, sd card mount point is pointing at the right place Apr 24 03:02:29 No, I'm referring to the partitioning -- does the neo expect to boot from mmc0 or from mmc0p1, and have you placed the ext3 filesystem on mmc0 or on mmc0p1 -- and is it ext3 and not ext2? Apr 24 03:03:22 mwester: oh ic, I thought you were referring to my copy via usb Apr 24 03:04:13 mwester: well like I said, nothing has changed in the approach I use. I've formatted the card with ext3, done a cat imagefile.tar.gz | tar xz -C /media/card, then put the card in, pressed Aux and selected boot from sd Apr 24 03:04:30 mwester: I'm guessing I'm going to have to do some more indepth troubleshooting but unsure really how to? Apr 24 04:20:38 hi ah.... what speed does the openmoko freerunner support over gprs ? Apr 24 04:21:50 theory goes, 80k max Apr 24 04:22:34 80kb/s ? Apr 24 04:22:44 or is that 10 kb/s Apr 24 04:23:22 b is bits, B is bytes Apr 24 04:23:32 kbps Apr 24 04:23:43 sorry ? Apr 24 04:24:05 - can i get voip over a gprs link up on this phone yes or no Apr 24 04:24:17 --- are we talking about 2.5g 2g 1g ? Apr 24 04:24:57 no Apr 24 04:25:19 ..... Apr 24 04:25:34 the latency and lack of quality of service is killer for voip/gprs, unless you're talking push-to-talk Apr 24 04:25:51 push to talk ? Apr 24 04:25:58 (could've asked your real question right away...) Apr 24 04:26:02 sorry Apr 24 04:26:12 what about over another link up -- say a bluetooth phoned Apr 24 04:26:17 that has 3g support Apr 24 04:27:21 Yes, though quality of service is still an issue (though a lesser one in practice) Apr 24 04:33:21 (push-to-talk, think voice smses) Apr 24 05:32:14 hello, I am trying to update my build image using Mokomakefile, but it cant get past pulling from the monotone repo; has anyone else seen that behavior? Apr 24 06:04:11 j #sipgate Apr 24 06:04:15 :) Apr 24 06:54:20 now... Apr 24 06:54:28 will suspend and resume not toally fuck up the ui... Apr 24 06:54:32 that is.. the.. question Apr 24 06:55:22 well.. x never came back Apr 24 06:55:22 woot Apr 24 06:59:24 good morning Apr 24 07:23:21 suspend/resume seems good for 1 call Apr 24 07:23:29 then it's crap Apr 24 07:23:41 and notifications don't work either Apr 24 07:32:59 I thought it was a matter of few days ... It has been 13 days now since the last PVT update Apr 24 07:33:16 I can't wait any longer Apr 24 07:36:13 hi Apr 24 07:36:35 hello Apr 24 07:39:32 sorry i have a question in c++ Apr 24 07:39:48 i search a time on google, but i don't find any answers :( Apr 24 07:40:39 i want to read a precisly line in a file (ie: the line 10)? Apr 24 07:50:44 freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r245 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (9 files in 3 dirs): Tweaked call handling Apr 24 09:11:33 pyknite: start at the top of the file, read a line, move on, repeat ten times? Apr 24 09:12:10 or perhaps better, parse the file into some suitable data structure (e.g. one element per line), then you just go straight to the line you need each time Apr 24 09:12:47 Weiss: thx, i found a solution just before ;) Apr 24 09:13:37 no problem... thing is, the lines are probably all different lengths so there's no way anything knows where to jump to for a particular line Apr 24 09:18:35 oki Apr 24 10:23:11 freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r246 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Apr 24 10:23:11 freesmartphone.org: Fixed testing ui Apr 24 10:23:11 freesmartphone.org: Fixed signals in libfreesmartphone Apr 24 10:23:11 freesmartphone.org: Fixed call handling in telit vendor library Apr 24 10:25:47 Has anyone been able to try an input method with qemu emulation? Apr 24 11:03:17 openmoko: 03thomas * r4395 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg.c: opkg: implement new opkg_upgrade_package and opkg_upgrade_all functions Apr 24 11:03:48 openmoko: 03thomas * r4396 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg.c: opkg: minor white space and indent fixes Apr 24 11:04:28 When? Apr 24 11:05:01 openmoko: 03thomas * r4397 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/tests/libopkg_test.c: Apr 24 11:05:01 openmoko: opkg: Add upgrade and upgrade_all functions to libopkg_test Apr 24 11:05:01 openmoko: Improve progress display in libopkg_test Apr 24 11:05:07 Why? Apr 24 11:05:17 What? Apr 24 11:06:01 Cheese? Apr 24 11:06:10 Sealing wax. Apr 24 11:07:28 Has anyone been able to try an input method with qemu emulation? Apr 24 11:07:46 You mean using a physical keyboard? Apr 24 11:07:48 Forex Apr 24 11:07:55 There is I think something on the wiki Apr 24 11:08:16 no, an application using gestures Apr 24 11:09:32 It seems that it repported only a few events Apr 24 11:09:32 click on the qemu window - and you get a 'click' on the touchscreen - AIUI Apr 24 11:09:51 The emulated neo is very, very slow. Apr 24 11:10:08 yes, but I want to grab Enter/LeaveNotify Apr 24 11:10:28 and a click generates a lot of these Apr 24 11:10:54 not just one? Apr 24 11:11:01 * SpeedEvil doesn't know. Apr 24 11:11:36 nope, a single click seems to generate at least three events Apr 24 11:12:08 enter/leave notify doesn't make sense on a touchscreen Apr 24 11:12:09 It works ok when using Xoo but is unusable with qemu Apr 24 11:12:25 balrog-kun: why? Apr 24 11:12:54 my application contains multiple windows Apr 24 11:13:22 that are all mapped at the same time Apr 24 11:13:32 enter-leave only has meaning if the user drags Apr 24 11:13:32 because the event can only be generated together with some event likea click Apr 24 11:13:59 Or if the touchscreen can sense near touch-but-not-touch Apr 24 11:14:14 which it can't Apr 24 11:14:15 crossing a window boundary is an event Apr 24 11:16:05 Sure - but that can only be sensed if the user drags Apr 24 11:16:20 there is no position report if the user is not touching the screen. Apr 24 11:17:00 of course, there is first a click, then the notifies should be there when he moves the finger Apr 24 11:18:54 it may be a wm issue if there are too many events generated Apr 24 11:19:15 And as I said earlier - the emulated neo is very slow. Apr 24 11:19:25 I don't know if that may be worsening things. Apr 24 11:19:37 the wm is matchbox, which assumes a single window though Apr 24 11:20:27 even when trying to recuperate a single event slowly it doesn't work Apr 24 11:20:48 SpeedEvil: for text recognition it makes you have to move the pointer much slower Apr 24 11:20:50 ... on qemu but using Xoo + matchbox it went ok Apr 24 11:22:22 xoo+matchbox is probably running a thousand times faster than qemu. Apr 24 11:23:47 + it doesnt use touchscreen+tslib, whih generate event at some constant rate reardless of whether the pointer moved Apr 24 11:24:10 ah Apr 24 11:24:45 * balrog-kun is typing on a n810 keypad.. :-/ Apr 24 11:25:03 :/ Apr 24 11:25:29 * SpeedEvil never thought I'd ever be thinking 'even the zx81'd be an improvement' Apr 24 11:26:55 * zedstar remembers the zx81 very flat keys Apr 24 11:27:47 it was just a membrane Apr 24 11:27:54 does anyone of you has the hardware? Apr 24 11:28:19 insane in the membrane Apr 24 11:28:21 * SpeedEvil (in the style of skeletor) Has the neo of openmoko! Apr 24 11:28:52 could you make a little try to see if the events are generated correctly? Apr 24 11:30:04 the hardwar is never wrong Apr 24 11:30:30 is it sensible/"the done thing" to compile a kernel for OM by "simply" cross-compiling using vanilla sources+OM patches+OM config) with the OM toolchain, or is there a requirement to use full OE? Apr 24 11:30:59 Weiss: that method is fine Apr 24 11:31:07 Weiss: there is even a git tree for you to grab Apr 24 11:31:13 Weiss: both ways work Apr 24 11:35:27 i wonder how practical on screen keyboards are for IRC from small devices...i mean u will loose screen space.....the n810 is actually pretty usable for irc Apr 24 11:38:45 it' a total mare on the neo... Apr 24 11:38:52 try it... Apr 24 11:38:59 opkg install pidgin Apr 24 11:39:23 yeh i was more thinking iphone with irc client for example Apr 24 11:39:37 i think that wud suck compared to n810 Apr 24 11:40:43 everytime u go to type some keyboard takes over part of the screen and loose scrolling space for the chat Apr 24 11:41:19 onscreen keyboards suck beyond belief Apr 24 11:42:11 "bt keypad" Apr 24 11:42:34 noooooo bt keypadness Apr 24 11:44:05 XorA / balrog-kun: thanks. i've got both the toolchain and full OE installed, and the toolchain method makes a whole lot more sense to me, so it's good to know i'll be able to do a bit of kernel hacking without having to navigate OE Apr 24 11:54:02 * ScaredyCat points at iGo keyboard.. Apr 24 11:54:46 ok, not somehting you could use while walking down the street, but then that's the same for anything that doesn't have a buil in kb Apr 24 11:55:02 the multi tap doesn;t even have all the chars Apr 24 11:55:08 ~blame raster Apr 24 11:55:09 * apt blames raster (and Canada) for all the evil in the world Apr 24 11:55:49 lol Apr 24 11:56:42 hahaha Apr 24 11:57:57 Fullscreen transparent overlaid 0-F and T16 Apr 24 12:00:20 freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r247 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (14 files in 4 dirs): Apr 24 12:00:20 freesmartphone.org: Fix test to use call id Apr 24 12:00:20 freesmartphone.org: Random fixes to call status signals Apr 24 12:01:07 cer: I can run something on the phone if you like Apr 24 12:01:16 car: Apr 24 12:04:35 SpeedEvil: thank you, that's really great Apr 24 12:05:13 the source is at http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/qwo/ Apr 24 12:05:21 got a binary? Apr 24 12:06:01 I could do a binary if you want Apr 24 12:06:27 I can run a binary now - source may be a week. Apr 24 12:09:38 ok, i'm doing a binary Apr 24 12:12:43 SpeedEvil: how should I send it to you? Apr 24 12:14:51 rfc1149 Apr 24 12:14:53 Or DCC. Apr 24 12:15:01 Or put it on a webpage somewhere. Apr 24 12:17:47 SpeedEvil: it's at http://dl.free.fr/ciXl7zwy1/qwo_0.1_armv4t.ipk Apr 24 12:18:59 * SpeedEvil reboots phone. Apr 24 12:20:19 bleh all Apr 24 12:21:18 SpeedEvil: to exit the soft you should enter all regions for exemple starting with the one with the a until you hit it again without going through thet center one Apr 24 12:30:54 Sup3rkiddo: ? Apr 24 12:31:14 cer Apr 24 12:31:18 k - trying Apr 24 12:31:28 thanks Apr 24 12:31:46 summatusmentis, hi...case of the stupid touchpad and its user Apr 24 12:32:00 :-/ no fun Apr 24 12:32:50 caratorn: ok - it exits Apr 24 12:33:01 does it do anything else? Apr 24 12:33:44 you can write anythin you want with it Apr 24 12:34:07 for the moment it just prints it out to stdout Apr 24 12:34:24 if you want the a go to that region and back to the center Apr 24 12:34:27 ah - so start in terminal Apr 24 12:35:18 for the s you go to the upper left, upper middle and back to the center Apr 24 12:36:14 It doesn't seem to be outputting anything Apr 24 12:36:18 * SpeedEvil tries remotely Apr 24 12:37:14 it outputs when exit it actually Apr 24 12:38:03 hmm. Apr 24 12:38:11 I can't get it get it to exit Apr 24 12:39:20 you have to go to at least 8 regions without the center one Apr 24 12:41:03 Ok - it does seem to output chars on exit Apr 24 12:41:28 lol Apr 24 12:41:53 can you go back? Apr 24 12:42:10 the < that is on the left Apr 24 12:42:20 ok.. Apr 24 12:42:24 * ScaredyCat installs it too Apr 24 12:42:32 I never get any display at all Apr 24 12:42:43 any changing Apr 24 12:43:06 it doesn't change because it's an input method, just for inputing text Apr 24 12:43:11 Note to all. Using a hotmelt glue stick as a stylus is a bad idea. Apr 24 12:43:14 Smeary. Apr 24 12:43:52 doesn't it could work with fingers? Apr 24 12:44:06 yes - I was seeing if anything else happened Apr 24 12:44:22 It seems to hang occasionally Apr 24 12:44:40 doing a couple of circles round the outside not causing it to exit Apr 24 12:45:25 what about reinitialising by going to the center and doing another round Apr 24 12:45:52 Is ther (on the default OM keyboard) a backspace now? Apr 24 12:46:45 mmmm.. Apr 24 12:46:52 how big is it meant to be? Apr 24 12:47:02 yeah - it's fullscreen Apr 24 12:47:33 I don't know I can't test it on hardware Apr 24 12:47:37 I get a full white screen, woth a little (say 1/4) with the keyboard Apr 24 12:48:10 matchbox doesn't care about the size we specify and does it fullscreen automatically Apr 24 12:48:35 freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r248 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Modified pin query handling in both test ui and gsmd2 Apr 24 12:50:00 Should stroking along one side always generate a char? Apr 24 12:51:01 SpeedEvil: no because there is a delete Apr 24 12:51:07 ah Apr 24 12:51:15 hi all Apr 24 12:51:15 I would like to add SMS support to MIDPath (MIDP2 implementation) for OpenMoko. Apr 24 12:51:15 In your opinion, should I use dbus or libgsmd ? Apr 24 12:52:49 dbus Apr 24 12:53:13 afaik dbus is the way forward Apr 24 12:53:22 yes Apr 24 12:53:26 dbus is like a hammer Apr 24 12:53:31 and you wont have to rewrite it when libgmd gts killed Apr 24 12:53:31 now all we need to do is find the nails! Apr 24 12:53:55 thos: when you have a hammer, EVERYTHING is a nail :D Apr 24 12:54:54 haha Apr 24 12:55:47 ScaredyCat: ok, thanks ! I guess I have create a fake dbus server to test it on my dev environment Apr 24 13:00:51 ScaredyCat: SpeedEvil thanks for your reports Apr 24 13:01:14 np Apr 24 13:04:10 nice. My phone actually resumed from standby. At least three times now. Apr 24 13:04:40 Is the new gsm firmware standby related? Or what would this change? Apr 24 13:05:19 you have new GSM firmware Apr 24 13:05:20 ? Apr 24 13:05:39 mwester is working on standby AIUI Apr 24 13:06:41 resume seems to work ok(ish) for 1 call Apr 24 13:06:51 then there's no audio Apr 24 13:15:31 SpeedEvil: no, i was just woundering if i should have the new firmware Apr 24 13:16:13 sean never told in his mail what the firmware is for Apr 24 13:19:18 It's irrelevant anyway. Apr 24 13:19:42 As they haven't figured out how to distribute. Apr 24 13:29:06 SpeedEvil: ah, ok Apr 24 13:40:23 freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r249 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (11 files in 2 dirs): Apr 24 13:40:23 freesmartphone.org: Fix incoming call handling Apr 24 13:40:23 freesmartphone.org: Fix sim tests Apr 24 13:46:55 Is it possible to build in a function that causes the GTA02 to send a sms ( with its current position ) to the police if the phone is stolen and a non- authorised sim card is inserted? Apr 24 13:46:55 It should also be possible to cause the phone to send a sms with its current position ( gps format ) to the police. This function could be triggered via a sms to the stolen phone if the thief has not already pulled out and thrown the sim card away. Apr 24 13:47:58 in principle - sure. Apr 24 13:48:27 would be nice... Apr 24 13:48:30 id be careful about implementing it fully, because the police would likely go after the author if it didn't work right... Apr 24 13:48:43 And the police may just totally ignore it. Apr 24 13:48:50 You'd need to get their cooperation first. Apr 24 13:49:11 but something like this should better base on some established subsystems. Location service, sms interception framework... Apr 24 13:49:24 interception? Apr 24 13:49:30 and there is afaik much to be discused... Apr 24 13:49:36 Autotranslation, for example. Apr 24 13:49:39 ->anrp Apr 24 13:49:47 anrp: some calback whatever for sms reading plugins Apr 24 13:49:48 ah Apr 24 13:49:51 a filter chain :o Apr 24 13:49:52 but the will catch the thief pretty fast.. and he cant wriggle his way out of that Apr 24 13:50:08 isprins: assuming instant police response to a stolen phone. Apr 24 13:50:20 probably better to send those SMSes to another known friendly party Apr 24 13:50:22 anrp: yep. so it allready has a name. cool. :) Apr 24 13:50:35 (sane thieves will dump the sim and reflash before using the phone anyway) Apr 24 13:50:36 speedEvil: mhm.. Apr 24 13:50:48 * SpeedEvil laughs at mjr. Apr 24 13:50:52 ... Apr 24 13:51:07 It's gonna be some time before your average thief knows about OM. Apr 24 13:51:11 there's a business there, pay someone a couple bucks a month and have them be ready with reception equipment and such, and also be prepared to work with the authorities Apr 24 13:51:15 Though that would be a great metric of success. Apr 24 13:51:20 not just specific to om Apr 24 13:51:22 SpeedEvil, ... or fence it to someone who has instructed them to do so in general for all phones Apr 24 13:51:41 (umm, do so = dump sim, remove battery) Apr 24 13:51:53 mjbroek: sure - not flashing though. Apr 24 13:51:55 the awerage thief vould not know Apr 24 13:51:56 if you dont flash it first Apr 24 13:51:57 mjr: Apr 24 13:54:42 dumping the sim is a given for a stolen phone Apr 24 13:54:55 Apart from really stupid people. Apr 24 13:54:55 if its a theft of opportunity, they probably wont know to change the imei Apr 24 13:54:59 so that's always trackable Apr 24 13:55:08 i can see the face of the thief when i call him and tell him that i know exactly where he is.. " you are driving down burglary lane " etc.. hehe Apr 24 13:55:21 You can't change the IMEI on most modern phones easily. Apr 24 13:55:30 nod Apr 24 13:55:36 isprins: 'Ok - can you tell me the name of that road - it's not on OSM' Apr 24 13:55:52 if you know what you're doing, targeting high value phones, and you have people on the inside who can give you service tools Apr 24 13:55:59 then its a lot more iffy Apr 24 13:56:48 also, sometimes tools leak out Apr 24 13:56:52 speedEvil: by locking up his cords.. i have seen an documentary where they tracked a phones postition .. Apr 24 14:00:33 Is it possible to build in a function that causes the GTA02 to send a sms ( with its current position ) to the police if the phone is stolen and a non- authorised sim card is inserted? Apr 24 14:00:34 It should also be possible to cause the phone to send a sms with its current position ( gps format ) to the police. This function could be triggered via a sms to the stolen phone if the thief has not already pulled out and thrown the sim card away. Apr 24 14:01:10 "if the phone is stolen" Apr 24 14:01:13 how would you know? Apr 24 14:01:15 isprins: this is especially useful for bankrobbery... Apr 24 14:01:22 the police have to know about it, and they have to have a way of getting the sms... Apr 24 14:01:23 rather, it Apr 24 14:01:35 there's a ton of infrastructure, that, at least in the US, isn't there Apr 24 14:01:48 <- Norway Apr 24 14:02:42 it is possible to change the IMEI number Apr 24 14:03:10 this is already solved: some countries even require that the operator send the position of the cell with an emergancy call Apr 24 14:03:46 emdete: i dont know if that's implemented in Norway yet Apr 24 14:04:22 what about porting the PGP phone software? Apr 24 14:04:29 isprins: usa require that Apr 24 14:05:18 at the very least, the network supports rough location guessing, but a lot of phones these days assist the network with locally gathered info (gps, etc) Apr 24 14:05:25 in the us Apr 24 14:06:13 http://web.mit.edu/network/pgpfone/ Apr 24 14:06:34 :\ you aren't the first to think of that, isprins Apr 24 14:06:46 anrp: ok Apr 24 14:07:21 but basically for it to work, your provider needs to allow csd; i.e. one side (for csd -> landline modem) to both sides (with csd) Apr 24 14:07:35 and it has to fit in 9.6kbit Apr 24 14:07:41 slightly less, actually Apr 24 14:08:55 it should be a breeze with a good WLAN connection Apr 24 14:08:56 which is almost a showstopper... Apr 24 14:09:07 true, but then you're virtually tethered Apr 24 14:09:36 csd is fine for voip Apr 24 14:09:38 which might be ok, i.e. its connected to your landline and you dont use it out of your house Apr 24 14:09:42 anrp: no, just hook up a +20 DB cantenna :P Apr 24 14:09:51 to a cell phone? Apr 24 14:09:59 hope you have an ultra stable pan tilt mechanism to mount to your head Apr 24 14:10:05 anrp: if it has VOIP Apr 24 14:10:22 mjr: what codec? Apr 24 14:10:35 many workable options Apr 24 14:10:41 voip is a misnomer unless you actually plan on dialing up to the internet and running ip Apr 24 14:10:46 which is a significant amount of overhead Apr 24 14:11:13 notable overhead, but not overbearing Apr 24 14:11:23 really, i'm curious Apr 24 14:11:29 but yeah sure, you can do encrypted neo-to-neo calls without ip if you like Apr 24 14:11:40 i've looked at a few (open) codecs, speex is one of the few contenders Apr 24 14:13:23 and its ... passable at 8kbit Apr 24 14:13:41 however you need to allow for loss of your 9.6kbit as its a transparent channel Apr 24 14:15:06 maybe 1.6kbit is enough margin.. i can't say Apr 24 14:17:02 anyway, as for pgpphone, that's non-free, but libzrtpcpp does the zrtp protocol, as used in (at least) twinklephone Apr 24 14:17:41 when someone writes a good one-time-pad encryption software for phones.. the NSA wount like that.. Apr 24 14:19:04 they probably would, as many implementations of OTP are flawed Apr 24 14:20:14 the theory is solid but a practical implementation is not simple at all Apr 24 14:20:19 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECDSA Apr 24 14:22:04 "Although the RSA patent has expired, there are patents in force covering some aspects of ECC." Apr 24 14:22:31 if you're non-us you could ignore that, but the us is a big place Apr 24 14:23:02 * anrp realizes that he's being completely negative ~_~ Apr 24 14:24:22 anyway, it is a bad idea to have a private encryption key stored on the phone Apr 24 14:24:57 a MP3 player is a good place Apr 24 14:25:36 * anrp waves the magic flash wand and turns the neo into an mp3 player :o Apr 24 14:30:11 anr Apr 24 14:30:11 : Apr 24 14:30:14 anrp: gnash Apr 24 14:31:03 * anrp gnashes his teeth Apr 24 14:31:05 One-time-pad stored on phone - if yhou have physical custody of the phone and it erases as it's used is a good solution actually Apr 24 14:31:10 that's... not the best name ~_~ Apr 24 14:31:47 then the question is how to get it on Apr 24 14:31:54 which isn't really hard, just hook it up Apr 24 14:32:14 SpeedEvil: the hard and difficult is the key generation.. true randomness is hard Apr 24 14:32:24 Not really. Apr 24 14:32:38 Resistor noise works just fine. Apr 24 14:32:46 * anrp raises fist Apr 24 14:32:56 swamps low level signals :( Apr 24 14:33:00 Or quantum noise, or radioactivity Apr 24 14:33:23 diode noise is altso used Apr 24 14:33:50 google smoke detector webcam Apr 24 14:34:07 * anrp theoretically wonder; if you had atomically identical passive components, would they have the same noise output or just the same noise characteristics Apr 24 14:34:07 and yes, making 1G of truly random pad isn't very trivial. Apr 24 14:34:09 anrp: random Apr 24 14:34:23 anrp: even for hypothetically identical components Apr 24 14:34:40 The noise actually arises from quantum effects largely. Apr 24 14:34:46 Though there are many mechanisms. Apr 24 14:35:14 fun fun Apr 24 14:35:34 i use to listen to "numbers stations".. Apr 24 14:35:54 * anrp hooks up a tts to a random number generator and an fm transmitter Apr 24 14:35:57 <- a llisenced ham Apr 24 14:36:16 * SpeedEvil honey-roasts and slices isprins. Apr 24 14:36:19 anrp: i have a siemens T-100 Apr 24 14:37:50 <- amateur radio operator Apr 24 14:38:19 i'm not :\ Apr 24 14:38:26 Amateur radio operators are also known as radio amateurs or hams. The term 'ham' as a nickname for amateur radio operators originated in a pejorative usage by operators in commercial and professional radio communities. The word was subsequently welcomed by amateur radio operators, and it stuck. Apr 24 14:38:42 ham, or...spam? Apr 24 14:39:17 anrp: it is easy to pass the test if you know a bit of electronics Apr 24 14:39:59 and you the morse code is out of the question Apr 24 14:41:08 infernix: The Siemens T-100 Teletype? Apr 24 14:41:20 ops, meant isprins Apr 24 14:41:48 DPTuught: yes Apr 24 14:42:24 complete with paper tape reader/puncher Apr 24 14:42:33 isprins: wow. hardware porn Apr 24 14:43:12 isprins: is was so often only thoughts before buing one on ebay. But shipping is bitch. :) Apr 24 14:43:33 DPThuught: it is possible to interface it to a computer with a program kalled heavy metal.. Apr 24 14:44:00 jep, the T-100 Units is heavy stuff... Apr 24 14:44:13 /topic Apr 24 14:45:12 isprins: I know - I'm just hungry. Apr 24 14:46:06 isprins: living the old unix days... sadly it is not a very sane idea to buy one. I'm not a ham so i can't use it for rtty. And using it as a tty console probably gets old very quick. :) Apr 24 15:30:25 hey ScaredyCat you there? Apr 24 15:30:31 i'm about to try your latest image .. Apr 24 15:30:41 lo Apr 24 15:30:47 howdy Apr 24 15:30:58 been hiding again? Apr 24 15:31:00 ; Apr 24 15:31:02 yeah Apr 24 15:31:03 ;) Apr 24 15:31:08 been really busy at work .. Apr 24 15:31:13 not much time for hackign when i get home Apr 24 15:31:18 I guess there isn't anyone here who could help my get Qt4.4.0-rc1 compiled for openmoko? :) Apr 24 15:31:23 so now i've got the evening to do some openmoko work and i'm gonna start by testing your image. Apr 24 15:31:25 XorA: ping Apr 24 15:31:33 dcordes: gnop Apr 24 15:31:33 scaredy, any chance i could get you to add a native compiler onboard? ;) Apr 24 15:32:04 XorA: wanna try angstrom on kaiser? :) Apr 24 15:32:12 torpor: well, I suppose I could try :) Apr 24 15:32:17 dcordes: you got it working? Apr 24 15:32:22 it'd rock .. Apr 24 15:32:32 XorA: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2144450&postcount=251 Apr 24 15:33:04 dcordes: cool Apr 24 15:34:02 XorA: we can't get x running though :(( Apr 24 15:35:00 XorA: and a lot of hardware support is still missing. we still lack sd controllers (driver present, for slightly different chip though) and usb Apr 24 15:35:36 dcordes: you could blow the roof on xda-developers if you had accellerated video support :-) Apr 24 15:35:47 XorA: haha I know that Apr 24 15:36:05 there were already many people asking Apr 24 15:36:16 thats a very sore point :-D Apr 24 15:36:39 shit rapidshare changed to kittenauth Apr 24 15:37:07 XorA: ya I know. obviously msm7x00x doesn't have imageon anymore: I can't find the layout pdfs anymore on the qualcomm site Apr 24 15:38:24 dcordes: I have downloaded, shall check it out later Apr 24 15:39:02 XorA: ok. it's not touching your rom. only a ramdisk Apr 24 15:40:36 yeah I guessed Apr 24 15:41:01 don't have nand yet either Apr 24 15:49:16 :/ any news about freerunner Apr 24 15:50:44 it was last seen climbing the walls Apr 24 15:51:11 GET IM! Apr 24 15:51:20 oh my, last time I saw it, it was eating dead cow Apr 24 15:54:36 :/ poor cow Apr 24 16:30:31 mmm elephant + cells-gtk => mokolisp automatically persistent application framework Apr 24 16:30:54 * unknown_lamer needs to get back to packaging clisp and common-lisp-controller Apr 24 16:31:32 and then evil evil ffcall I wonder if I announce clisp 2.44.1 crosscompiled for eabi ARM with a request for help an ARM assembly wizard would come along Apr 24 16:40:42 agh, I am drawing a total blank - what is the sound system on OM that sits above alsa? Apr 24 16:40:45 pulseaudio Apr 24 16:41:10 What is the best ogg/mp3 player to use through pulseaudio? I'm looking for a library or a command line program. Apr 24 16:43:46 blist Apr 24 16:43:57 sorry; wrong window Apr 24 17:03:24 is gps working in the scaredycat's latest image? Apr 24 17:05:06 bedboi, GPS working on a Neo requires acceptance of the gllin EULA. I doubt ScaredyCat's images would include that. Apr 24 17:07:00