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Apr 28 05:25:46 <CIA-42> openmoko: 03werner * r4401 10/trunk/src/host/envedit/ (12 files): 
Apr 28 05:25:46 <CIA-42> openmoko: Replacement for devirginator/envedit.pl
Apr 28 05:25:46 <CIA-42> openmoko: Improvements:
Apr 28 05:25:46 <CIA-42> openmoko: - no interminable CRC calculations in Perl
Apr 28 05:25:46 <CIA-42> openmoko: - if used with -n, can run in an environment without Perl
Apr 28 05:25:47 <CIA-42> openmoko: - options can be passed in any order
Apr 28 05:49:14 <josch_> MichaelShiloh, mimi?
Apr 28 05:55:12 <microlith> su
Apr 28 05:56:07 <ScaredyCat> password:
Apr 28 05:56:29 <microlith> fortunately my phone doesn't have one
Apr 28 05:56:37 <ScaredyCat> :)
Apr 28 06:11:59 <microlith> looks like the display config needs work bad, but yay, booting openmoko on a motorola a1200 b
Apr 28 06:12:02 <microlith> -b
Apr 28 06:19:08 <josch_> microlith, you have openmoko working on the motorola phone?? :-D
Apr 28 06:19:28 <microlith> kinda
Apr 28 06:19:37 <microlith> completely unusable, but it booted :)
Apr 28 06:20:08 <microlith> I think it rendered the entire UI using 3 colors
Apr 28 06:50:17 <methril> morning
Apr 28 07:03:10 <CIA-42> openmoko: 03werner * r4402 10/trunk/src/host/envedit/envcpp.pl: 
Apr 28 07:03:10 <CIA-42> openmoko: - envcpp.pl: updated the title
Apr 28 07:03:10 <CIA-42> openmoko: - envcpp.pl: removed extension of @INC since we don't need @INC anymore
Apr 28 07:06:27 <Hopscotch> good morning
Apr 28 07:10:31 <methril> morning
Apr 28 07:16:38 <mbuf> is it possible anywhere to buy the FreeRunner across the counter? maybe at a dealer shop?
Apr 28 07:17:20 <raster> it's currently not possible to buy a freerunner at all
Apr 28 07:55:06 <CIA-42> openmoko: 03werner * r4403 10/trunk/src/host/envedit/envcpp.pl: 
Apr 28 07:55:06 <CIA-42> openmoko: - envcpp.pl: explicitly close stdout and check for errors to catch "disk full"
Apr 28 07:55:06 <CIA-42> openmoko:  conditions
Apr 28 08:26:33 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r262 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/ (5 files in 3 dirs): gsm0710muxd: prepare for 0.9.1 release
Apr 28 08:30:49 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r263 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/TODO: add TODO
Apr 28 08:35:25 <comicinke2> hi! the images for htc magician phone is quite old. how can I produce a new one? is there a makefile?
Apr 28 08:37:01 <comicinke2> who made the old one? can I ask him to update the image?
Apr 28 08:41:38 <pyknite> go on the xda-dev forum
Apr 28 09:11:36 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r264 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/TODO: gsm071muxd: This is version 0.9.1
Apr 28 09:13:59 <comicinke2> ok
Apr 28 09:17:34 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r265 10/tags/gsm0710muxd-0.9.1/ (11 files in 3 dirs): release gsm0710muxd 0.9.1
Apr 28 09:40:17 <CIA-42> openmoko: 03rwhitby * r16 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Fixed dfu-util path in staging, and OpenMoko->Openmoko. Thx to cesarb and cibomahto.
Apr 28 10:17:39 <CIA-42> openmoko: 03thomas * r4404 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg_cmd.c: 
Apr 28 10:17:39 <CIA-42> openmoko: opkg: Implement proper reordering of packages before configuring.
Apr 28 10:17:39 <CIA-42> openmoko:  Patch from Alexandros Kostopoulos <akostop inaccessnetworks com>
Apr 28 10:57:29 <CIA-42> openmoko: 03thomas * r4405 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (Makefile.am configure.ac): opkg: set version number and distribute pkg-config file
Apr 28 11:12:38 <raster> well that sucks
Apr 28 11:12:56 <raster> on new kernels if u have apm the powe_supply class still exists
Apr 28 11:12:57 <raster> bah
Apr 28 11:13:01 <raster> have to do extra checks now
Apr 28 12:52:10 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r266 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/ (8 files in 3 dirs): 
Apr 28 12:52:10 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: marcel holtmanns patch applied
Apr 28 12:52:10 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: error checks on snprintf
Apr 28 12:52:10 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: auto detect pm path
Apr 28 12:58:19 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r267 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (10 files in 4 dirs): 
Apr 28 12:58:19 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: Added some comments
Apr 28 12:58:19 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: Fixed method parameters in libfreesmartphone and python files
Apr 28 12:58:19 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: Added a (tempopary) status parameter to retrieve and list message methods to fso xml (to be removed once otapi stabilizes).
Apr 28 12:58:23 <SpeedEvil> http://www.fastecimaging.com/pdf/PDF/Fastec_InLine_Datasheet.pdf Cool camera for GTA04
Apr 28 13:01:49 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r268 10/trunk/software/zhone/data/themes/ (Makefile.am zhone.edc zhone_message.edc): zone: fix main.edc indenting, sync. message.edc w/ upstream
Apr 28 13:20:19 <israel> o/
Apr 28 13:23:48 <israel> so, when will be freerunner out? in first may week?
Apr 28 13:24:07 <SpeedEvil> See the topic for the precise time.
Apr 28 13:24:30 <XorA> I think it will release on 42/42/2042
Apr 28 13:24:39 <israel> hm 42!
Apr 28 13:25:13 <ScaredyCat> ~lart XorA
Apr 28 13:25:13 * apt lowers XorA's priority
Apr 28 13:25:14 <israel> btw, where is some pre-reseler list?
Apr 28 13:25:26 <ScaredyCat> apt, botsnack
Apr 28 13:25:27 <apt> thanks, ScaredyCat
Apr 28 13:25:36 <israel> except pulster, will someone resell the freerunner?
Apr 28 13:26:55 <XorA> trisoft is AFAIK
Apr 28 13:27:39 <israel> where is located trisfot?
Apr 28 13:27:50 <israel> coz i'm from central europe :-)
Apr 28 13:30:56 <XorA> www.trisoft.de
Apr 28 13:31:10 <XorA> or look at the bottom of your nicks list on this channel :-)
Apr 28 13:31:36 * ScaredyCat wonders about an official reseller announcement
Apr 28 13:31:52 <SpeedEvil> t-mobile, virgin, O2, ...
Apr 28 13:31:55 * SpeedEvil doubts.
Apr 28 13:33:19 <XorA> I would think Neo wont meat QA requirements for the networks
Apr 28 13:33:30 <SpeedEvil> Not for some time.
Apr 28 13:34:03 <XorA> or meet either
Apr 28 13:34:12 * ScaredyCat looks at SpeedEvil
Apr 28 13:34:32 * ScaredyCat corrects self
Apr 28 13:34:34 * SpeedEvil turns ScaredyCat to scone.
Apr 28 13:34:44 * ScaredyCat wonders about an official distributor announcement
Apr 28 13:35:12 <XorA> mmmm, scone
Apr 28 13:35:35 * SpeedEvil butters ScaredyCat, and distributes bits around the channel.
Apr 28 13:35:40 <ScaredyCat> what do you call a fruit bun in an F1 car?
Apr 28 13:35:50 <XorA> Scone
Apr 28 13:35:52 <bembel> \topic
Apr 28 13:35:55 <ScaredyCat> nnnnnneeeeeeeeeeoooo sconw
Apr 28 13:36:01 <ScaredyCat> nnnnnneeeeeeeeeeoooo scone
Apr 28 13:36:45 * ScaredyCat wonders why SpeedEvil is greasing ScaredyCat down
Apr 28 13:41:10 <SpeedEvil> Is there an audio recorder?
Apr 28 13:41:34 <mjr> that's what I'd like to know
Apr 28 13:42:42 <israel> hmm
Apr 28 13:43:05 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r269 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (17 files in 4 dirs): 
Apr 28 13:43:05 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: Rest of Device/GetInfo implemented
Apr 28 13:43:05 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: Misc fixes
Apr 28 13:52:44 <summatusmentis> so we've got 3 days for the FreeRunner to come out in April :-P
Apr 28 13:53:30 <israel> heh
Apr 28 13:54:11 <israel> and it's acknowledged that freerunner will be relasead at begining of may?
Apr 28 13:54:31 <mjr> no, "at some time" :]
Apr 28 13:54:36 <summatusmentis> we have no idea... it's acknowledged that it's in destruction testing, that's as much as we know
Apr 28 13:55:08 <israel> ahm
Apr 28 13:55:49 <israel> coz, i'm interested in freerunner, coz i wanna exchange it for my fsc n560 and wanna stay in touch with linux :)
Apr 28 13:56:17 <israel> and also, i've got one spare phone number, where is some 100usd credit.. so i could use it :>
Apr 28 13:56:34 <mjr> Yeah well. With any luck, it really is real soon now at this point. But I'm no official source, and there are no guarantees untill the shop is up
Apr 28 14:21:31 <rtm> Does anyone know if the gypsy dbus-enabled GPS daemon will work at this time with the neo1973 using gllin?
Apr 28 14:22:09 <mickeyl> it should work with reading from the pipe. to make it more sane, someone should add a udp listener to typsy
Apr 28 14:22:12 <mickeyl> gypsy, even
Apr 28 14:24:35 <rtm> mickeyl: Thanks.   I didn't know gllin supported UDP.   I thought the only way to get anything out of gllin was to suck on /var/tmp/nmeaNP.
Apr 28 14:26:45 <mickeyl> fortunately not, you can tell it not to use the pipe but send it on a udp socket instead
Apr 28 14:27:14 <rtm> Do you know if that mode is documented somewhere?
Apr 28 14:27:18 <anrp> only one udp listener can get packets though...
Apr 28 14:27:23 <rtm> I never ran across it.
Apr 28 14:27:25 <anrp> so you still need a rebroadcaster
Apr 28 14:31:02 <mickeyl> should be documented on the command line
Apr 28 14:31:06 <mickeyl> try --help or so
Apr 28 14:31:21 <mickeyl> anrp: which would gypsy
Apr 28 14:31:24 <mickeyl> via dbus
Apr 28 14:31:49 <anrp> oh, ok
Apr 28 14:31:57 * anrp bows to dbus
Apr 28 14:33:56 <mickeyl> hehe
Apr 28 14:34:26 <anrp> i wonder if it just sends the NMEA strings in UDP packets
Apr 28 14:34:35 <mickeyl> yeah, i think so
Apr 28 14:35:39 <israel> hm
Apr 28 14:36:01 <israel> btw, how it's with suspend mode ? it will recieve calls too?
Apr 28 14:44:03 <emdete> anrp: it does, yes. for sample of usage see pygpsd ;)
Apr 28 14:44:32 <emdete> anrp: and: be careful: gllin uses port 6000 by default wich is received by x11 ;/
Apr 28 14:45:21 <anrp> boo
Apr 28 14:46:16 <emdete> anrp: i developed a init.d start/stop scripting around that gllin with config
Apr 28 15:04:49 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r270 10/trunk/software/py-odeviced/odeviced/modules/kernel26.py: odeviced: add PowerClassAPM as fallback, since the power class device is pretty new (kernel >= 2.6.24)
Apr 28 16:00:13 <spydon> summatusmentis, this month is soon over ^^
Apr 28 16:00:32 <summatusmentis> spydon: I know! I'm expecting it get released w/in the next three days
Apr 28 16:00:42 <spydon> hehe :P
Apr 28 16:01:21 <spydon> have anyone heard how those tests are going?
Apr 28 16:01:29 <SpeedEvil> I'm expecting it in the last 5 minutes.
Apr 28 16:01:50 <SpeedEvil> s/last/next/
Apr 28 16:01:50 <apt> SpeedEvil meant: I'm expecting it in the next 5 minutes.
Apr 28 16:02:06 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r271 10/trunk/software/py-odeviced/odeviced/ (modules/kernel26.py odeviced): odeviced: use pyrtc to set RTC current time and wake up time
Apr 28 16:02:59 <Bish> hi
Apr 28 16:19:11 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r272 10/trunk/software/py-odeviced/odeviced/modules/kernel26.py: odeviced: allow PowerSupplyApm to coexist with class device power supplies
Apr 28 16:38:20 <spydon> it has been more then 5 minutes now SpeedEvil ;)
Apr 28 16:39:59 <SpeedEvil> I'm still anticipating it in the next 5 minutes.
Apr 28 16:40:02 * SpeedEvil refreshes.
Apr 28 16:48:24 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r273 10/trunk/software/py-odeviced/odeviced/modules/kernel26.py: odeviced: s/mktime.time/time.mktime/
Apr 28 17:26:59 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r274 10/trunk/software/py-odeviced/ (9 files in 6 dirs): odeviced: good bye session bus, here comes the system bus
Apr 28 17:42:43 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r275 10/trunk/software/py-odeviced/setup.py: odeviced: problems with /etc script
Apr 28 17:57:00 <nicfer> hmmm fixed telephony is extinguishing right?
Apr 28 17:57:07 <SpeedEvil> Well...
Apr 28 17:57:15 <SpeedEvil> That's perhaps a little strong.
Apr 28 17:57:35 <SpeedEvil> Assuming that's right, it's going to be a couple of decades at least.
Apr 28 17:59:53 <nicfer> I think that fixed telephony will become something like current wireless home phones, only that mobile phones will act as so
Apr 28 18:01:36 <nicfer> something like a place where you can make calls and access internet cheaper from your mobile phone
Apr 28 18:02:09 <SpeedEvil> Also - sure wireless is great.
Apr 28 18:02:35 <SpeedEvil> But you can put a thousand houses next to each other, each getting 8Mbits/second through their telephone cables.
Apr 28 18:02:51 <SpeedEvil> Try to do that with wireless, and you can tend to run into spectrum limits.
Apr 28 18:05:35 <nicfer> other trouble is DSL internet access, without fixed telephony, that will dissapear
Apr 28 18:09:16 <mjr> the copper's still there even if you take the phone service out of it...
Apr 28 18:09:31 <mjr> (and last-mile fiber is where the future's at)
Apr 28 18:13:43 <SpeedEvil> Tell that to the people on TPON...
Apr 28 18:14:12 <SpeedEvil> http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/1099-tpon-fibre-optic-connected-bt-customers-offered-ray-of-hope.html
Apr 28 18:17:35 <mjr> Well. That's just stupid.
Apr 28 18:20:38 <SpeedEvil> Also - http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/why_is_it_that_my_girlfriend
Apr 28 18:20:56 <SpeedEvil> Actually - no - that's not right
Apr 28 18:22:26 * SpeedEvil mislays the URL that he meant to paste.
Apr 28 19:43:28 <SpeedEvil> We need on neo. http://xkcd.com/
Apr 28 19:43:44 <ewon> heh
Apr 28 19:43:45 <ajbrun> :)
Apr 28 19:43:53 <ajbrun> saw that on digg today
Apr 28 19:49:00 <CVirus> lol
Apr 28 20:01:32 <josch> MichaelShiloh, mimimi?
Apr 28 20:32:47 <ksool> What's the general feeling on when the freerunner will be released? Days? Weeks? Months?
Apr 28 20:33:24 <summatusmentis> ksool: we don't know "soon" is about all we know
Apr 28 20:33:35 <summatusmentis> it's in destructive testing now
Apr 28 20:34:02 <ksool> summatusementis, ok, I was just wondering if anybody was following its status closer than I was. 
Apr 28 20:34:23 <ksool> I need to decide if I want to get a new phone now, or wait for the freerunner, and I really want to do the latter.
Apr 28 20:35:05 <SpeedEvil> At the very earliest, it might be 2 weeksish
Apr 28 20:35:13 <SpeedEvil> but we really have no data
Apr 28 20:35:33 <SpeedEvil> it could as easily be 2 months if things don't go right.
Apr 28 20:35:47 <ksool> Yea, it's really hard to tell where things stand from the updates they put out.
Apr 28 20:35:51 <summatusmentis> ksool: I'm hoping to buy one, but I've got a phone plan
Apr 28 20:36:02 <edistar> ksool: wait :)
Apr 28 20:37:45 <ksool> :)
Apr 28 20:37:52 <summatusmentis> SpeedEvil: we would've heard something if things had been going wrong right?
Apr 28 20:38:06 <summatusmentis> theoretically? and is that 2 weeksish just a guess?
Apr 28 20:38:37 <SpeedEvil> it's a guess based on the likelyhood of them saying 'we are shipping 1000 to europe/US distributor'
Apr 28 20:39:09 <summatusmentis> oh, that's true
Apr 28 20:39:22 <summatusmentis> I forgot that they haven't, as far as we know, hit mass production yet
Apr 28 20:39:49 <summatusmentis> ugh! I want a way to have like.. a FUSE fs to Google Docs
Apr 28 20:47:20 <summatusmentis> I keep scrolling through the digests in community, hoping there will be an announcement from Steve
Apr 28 20:47:59 <bipolar> summatusmentis: me too
Apr 28 20:48:11 <summatusmentis> he should just do it already
Apr 28 20:49:22 <bipolar> I need to replace my nextel :P
Apr 28 20:49:40 <bipolar> everyone here at work does. :)
Apr 28 20:51:02 <abraxa_> bipolar: Peer pressure?
Apr 28 20:52:19 <bipolar> nonono... they all have nextel's... and we all hate them :)
Apr 28 20:52:30 <bipolar> These are work bought phones
Apr 28 20:52:32 <abraxa_> oh
Apr 28 20:52:37 <bipolar> I'm in charge of them. :P
Apr 28 20:52:54 <summatusmentis> I'm looking to replace my Z, and then replace my razr when my contract expires
Apr 28 20:53:00 <bipolar> perhaps the word 'hate' isn't strong enough....
Apr 28 20:53:08 <bipolar> summatusmentis: Z? as in Zaurus?
Apr 28 20:53:14 <dcordes_> summatusmentis: replacing your z? you must be nuts
Apr 28 20:53:21 <summatusmentis> bipolar: yep
Apr 28 20:53:26 <dcordes_> a man can't give away his Z
Apr 28 20:53:27 <bipolar> which model?
Apr 28 20:53:36 <summatusmentis> dcordes_: it's just big, and it turns on in my pocket, and I don't use it enough
Apr 28 20:53:40 <bipolar> I still have my 5500 in a drawer :)
Apr 28 20:53:40 <summatusmentis> bipolar: C3200
Apr 28 20:53:56 <summatusmentis> I've got a 5500 also
Apr 28 20:54:12 <bipolar> I currently have a Nokia n800, which I hardly use because the software sucks.
Apr 28 20:54:12 <summatusmentis> (poor college student, need money for FreeRunner, C3200 will provide that)
Apr 28 20:54:29 <edistar> bipolar: you can compile angstrom for it
Apr 28 20:55:07 <bipolar> edistar: I looked into it, but it doesn't seem that Qt is supported... at least last time I looked...
Apr 28 20:55:29 * bipolar looks again
Apr 28 20:55:30 <summatusmentis> I would love to use my 3200, but Angstorm isn't polished enough, the browser is slow, and I'm always having the battry run out in my pocket
Apr 28 20:55:32 <edistar> bipolar: yeah, wouldn't know about qt in angstrom
Apr 28 20:58:56 <bipolar> that would be a negative
Apr 28 21:00:26 <bipolar> really, I would use the GPE apps on the n800 if I could figure out how to sync them with my PIM server
Apr 28 21:00:42 <bipolar> I should boot the thing up and see what it can do now.
Apr 28 21:01:24 * summatusmentis tries Poky
Apr 28 22:40:27 <broedje> mount -o loop -t cramfs /~home/a780/mtd2 /mnt/cramfs
Apr 28 22:40:49 <broedje> sure that this is ... absolute?
Apr 28 22:40:56 <broedje> wyrm here?
Apr 28 22:42:40 <broedje> i get an error.... is /~home/ on the device or local?
Apr 28 22:46:31 <zash> ~home?
Apr 28 22:46:32 <apt> there's no place like 127.0.0.1
Apr 28 22:47:14 <zash> broedje: ~/ == /home/$USER
Apr 28 22:47:32 <zash> broedje: /~home/ seems weird
Apr 28 22:48:08 <SpeedEvil> ~home/ will expand to /home/home I think
Apr 28 22:48:14 <broedje> yea...them are few things in the Dual boot tut
Apr 28 22:49:05 <broedje> i wonder why i came here not having made a mkdir /mnt/cramfs
Apr 28 22:49:51 <broedje> but nevertheless, i do not have the capability: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock
Apr 28 22:50:10 <zash> SpeedEvil: if there is a user named 'home' with homedir = /home/home then yes
Apr 28 22:50:36 <broedje> nah i found out i think. the openezx guy meant the mtd2 in resized
Apr 28 22:50:56 <broedje> plz no jokes
Apr 28 22:51:24 <broedje> children sleep
Apr 28 23:00:40 <broedje> i cannot mount cramfs.... hrmf
Apr 28 23:01:15 <broedje> although things like mkfs.cramfs exists
Apr 28 23:04:42 <broedje> -s
Apr 28 23:09:33 <SpeedEvil> On the theme of 'the hardware has to be perfect before we ship it'. http://zipit2system.sourceforge.net/board.html
Apr 28 23:13:00 <broedje> Intels 8MB flash works wireless? 
Apr 28 23:14:37 <SpeedEvil> No - that is a marketing lie.
Apr 28 23:14:46 <SpeedEvil> well - lie may be a bit strong.
Apr 28 23:15:13 <broedje> heh
Apr 28 23:15:27 <SpeedEvil> It's designed for direct execution of code from.
Apr 28 23:15:40 <SpeedEvil> which is apparently what the wireless means.
Apr 28 23:15:46 <SpeedEvil> (for no good reason)
Apr 28 23:27:46 <nicfer> one question, will 3g replace also fixed internet?
Apr 28 23:43:18 * SpeedEvil guesses Reiserfs won't be getting a new version soon. http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/04/28/2243232.shtml
Apr 28 23:45:06 <nicfer> I don't know if buy neo1973 when it's available on my country or to wait until freerunner
Apr 28 23:46:38 <tomjoad> nicfer: The neo1973 is already out and is out of stock, so your choice is really only to wait for the freerunner
Apr 28 23:46:51 <SpeedEvil> Or offer cash to existing owners.
Apr 28 23:47:16 <nicfer> I live in latin america, that's other trouble
Apr 28 23:56:44 <Psi> what do ya think the powersaving on gta02 will be like at release time?
Apr 29 00:15:39 <balrog-kun> my guess is it will be such that it will feel strange to call it power saving
Apr 29 00:17:14 <nicfer> is there something you can do in a computer that you wouldn't do on a freerunner besides gaming?
Apr 29 00:18:52 <SpeedEvil> software development.
Apr 29 00:19:42 <SpeedEvil> playing video.
Apr 29 00:19:47 <summatusmentis> graphic design
Apr 29 00:19:55 <summatusmentis> creating video
Apr 29 00:20:11 <summatusmentis> rendering high-res 3d images, etc.
Apr 29 00:20:24 <summatusmentis> type on a qwerty keyboard :)
Apr 29 00:30:55 <nicfer> I saw somewhere that video playback would be possible because of the faster processor
Apr 29 00:31:07 <SpeedEvil> There are problems.
Apr 29 00:31:18 <SpeedEvil> the faster processor is overshadowed by the graphics chip.
Apr 29 00:31:36 <SpeedEvil> which has a fundamental limit in that it's connected to the CPU by wet string.
Apr 29 00:32:22 <nicfer> normal phones have that function, why the freerunner don't?
Apr 29 00:33:10 <SpeedEvil> Because normal phones have a much, much larger dev budget.
Apr 29 00:33:32 <SpeedEvil> And having said that - it will play video - just not as well or as smoothly as it might ideally.
Apr 29 00:35:16 <nicfer> well, youtube won't work either because it needs flash player
Apr 29 00:35:40 <SpeedEvil> 'needs' is strong.
Apr 29 00:35:52 * SpeedEvil plays most of his youtube with mplayer
Apr 29 00:36:14 <summatusmentis> SpeedEvil: really? how?
Apr 29 00:36:17 <SpeedEvil> also - gnash can do youtube.
Apr 29 00:36:45 <SpeedEvil> summatusmentis: find the youtube flash - the one on cache.googlevideo.com  - point mplayer at it.
Apr 29 00:36:48 <SpeedEvil> job done
Apr 29 00:42:55 <SpeedEvil> Try mplayer http://cache.googlevideo.com/get_video?video_id=NrqHHBibRvs&origin=nyc-v139.nyc.youtube.com&signature=8A47651EC9D2D3F46817C550B55E4CE4E2A10DA0.8D9FEB2B8BC11886BC42227E0C00586882975784&ip=81.174.132.210&ipbits=16&expire=1209451311&key=yt1&sver=2
Apr 29 00:45:21 <SpeedEvil> On the side-issue - that's great marketing.
Apr 29 00:46:49 <summatusmentis> SpeedEvil: I see
Apr 29 00:48:21 <nicfer> I tested it with vlc player, it also works
Apr 29 00:52:31 <summatusmentis> I don't have mplayer on this machine, but that's intriguing
Apr 29 01:40:59 <CIA-42> openmoko: 03werner * r4406 10/trunk/src/host/envedit/ (24 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
Apr 29 01:40:59 <CIA-42> openmoko: Add regression tests, fix various parser bugs, most of them hidden by the
Apr 29 01:40:59 <CIA-42> openmoko: preprocessor.
Apr 29 01:40:59 <CIA-42> openmoko: - added README and CHANGES
Apr 29 01:40:59 <CIA-42> openmoko: - cpp.h, cpp.c: added global variable cpp_command to allow run-time override
Apr 29 01:41:02 <CIA-42> openmoko:  of preprocessor default
Apr 29 01:41:04 <CIA-42> openmoko: - envedit.c: new option -P to set the preprocessor command
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