**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 29 02:59:58 2008 Apr 29 05:51:10 freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r276 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/src/Makefile.am: Remove install hook Apr 29 06:31:39 freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r277 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (configure.ac test/Makefile.am): Add option for tests Apr 29 06:34:19 freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r278 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Fixed list messages method in gsmd2, tests and libfreesmartphone. Apr 29 09:49:25 freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r279 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Fixed store message in gsmd2, libfreesmartphone and modemui Apr 29 10:42:13 openmoko: 03zecke * r622dbc69985b 10/src/build/bin/configure: [build] Do not force -no-qdbus. For some people this option is "sticky" which makes them "stinky" Apr 29 11:00:17 will SIM application toolkit commands work with the Neo1973/FreeRunner models? Apr 29 11:02:21 freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r280 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/src/sms.c: Added the ability to delete messages. Apr 29 11:03:53 never mind, found the answer here, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/gsmd-devel/2007-March/000009.html Apr 29 11:04:16 mbuf: no Apr 29 11:04:28 SpeedEvil, ok Apr 29 11:04:29 mbuf: at loeast - not without current firmware Apr 29 11:04:56 SpeedEvil, but, the TWL3014 has support for it, i believe Apr 29 11:05:44 that's the analog bit - it doesn't support anything. Apr 29 11:06:02 Or at least - there has been no published command set for it. Apr 29 11:13:38 And as I understand it, even the leaked calypso docs do not address it - they do not document the firmware. Apr 29 11:27:23 SpeedEvil, ok Apr 29 11:38:30 freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r281 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/vendor/Makefile.am: Build plugin without version suffixes Apr 29 11:53:26 openmoko: 03thomas * r4407 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg.c: opkg: prevent segfault if option is not found Apr 29 12:21:58 Who would buy for $25 an adjustable window-mount - as found on many GPSs - with a USB cable attachment for charging in use? Apr 29 12:22:44 On an unrelated matter - does tangogps support showing heading to a waypoint? Apr 29 12:28:09 no news about the freerunner since the 14rd?? Apr 29 12:28:29 yes Apr 29 12:28:33 there is no news. Apr 29 12:29:10 erf :( Apr 29 12:29:30 * pyknite is depressing... need a freerunner Apr 29 12:30:48 * SpeedEvil wonders why his phone is not responding, and taking several minutes to let me log in to ssh. Apr 29 12:32:44 Hmm. Responding to pings, but functionally hung. Apr 29 12:35:49 Interesting. Apr 29 12:36:05 The on my neo appeared to stop. Apr 29 12:36:09 the RTC Apr 29 12:47:55 what is that stroke recognizer? I found some doc about xstroke, but that are not the openmoko templates... i hope. do i need plastic surgery? Apr 29 12:48:04 xstroke is close Apr 29 12:48:08 it's matchbox-stroke Apr 29 12:48:08 huh? Apr 29 12:48:19 if that's the one I'm thinking of. Apr 29 12:48:31 It's like xstroke, but doesn't do rotations IIRC. Apr 29 12:48:54 hm.... i mean that thing, which formed as the 3rd alternative after "keyboard" and ol' good Keyboard" Apr 29 12:49:42 i think i mean the ipkg matchbox stroke... where are the templates? Apr 29 12:49:54 Hangon. I know this. Apr 29 12:50:05 or may i teach the app myself? Apr 29 12:50:06 * SpeedEvil is suffering from a parity error. Apr 29 12:50:18 You can teach it. Apr 29 12:50:36 * broedj1 needs to control the stroke recogniser a LOT Apr 29 12:50:47 You know how xstroke works? Apr 29 12:50:51 nine zones, ... Apr 29 12:50:54 you toldme Apr 29 12:51:01 the grids... Apr 29 12:51:08 any link? Apr 29 12:51:17 I forget where the recogniser file was. Apr 29 12:51:22 you can customise it Apr 29 12:51:38 nevermind.... hm teach it... that is evil Apr 29 12:52:06 http://cworth.org/~cworth/papers/xstroke/html/ Apr 29 12:52:11 :D never taught anything since i threw dragondictate win98 in the trash Apr 29 12:52:25 No - you can teach it with vi! Apr 29 12:52:26 :) Apr 29 12:52:51 'This same technique can be used to encode robust gesture classes for sophisticated shapes. As a rather extreme example, the following regular expression represents a robust class of `B' shapes for xstroke: b = grid("([12]*[45][78]|[12][45]+[78]?)?[78]*[4]*(1?[2][369]+|1[25][369]*)([369]+[25]+8?[147]?[258]*[369]+|[25]*8?[147]+[258]+[369]*)([369]*[58][74]+|[369]+[58][74]*)"). This single expression describes the three ideal variations of the `B' s Apr 29 12:53:02 i saw that..... the jpeg part of it... and it has nothing to do with the ipkg installed recognition Apr 29 12:53:17 jpeg part? Apr 29 12:53:32 oh - it's not fullscreen Apr 29 12:53:37 only on the little white pad Apr 29 12:53:43 well, the WAY you make the chars..... yes the pad Apr 29 12:53:56 should it be fullscreen? Apr 29 12:54:03 but the stuff on the grid recongiser is accurate Apr 29 12:54:12 like on sony ericsson pxxx Apr 29 12:54:34 teach vi.... rofl Apr 29 12:54:37 cool Apr 29 12:56:25 the stroke recognizer really works for me.... it is a lot faster than e.g. the A780 montavista crap, but i definitely need the "i" character :D Apr 29 12:57:15 oh - you want a list of strokes? Apr 29 12:57:20 yaaa Apr 29 12:57:49 the --- preinstalled -- ones.... i am not the best in teaching Apr 29 12:58:07 find /etc /var /lib -print0|xargs -0 grep grid Apr 29 12:58:13 waaaa Apr 29 12:58:13 should find you the config file Apr 29 12:58:20 * SpeedEvil looks for a default Apr 29 12:58:46 ah - right - 2/3 of the way down that page is a list Apr 29 12:59:03 It has 'i' as a vertical stroke down Apr 29 12:59:42 grml... i would have never imagined that Apr 29 12:59:54 but thanks Apr 29 13:00:01 Does it work? Apr 29 13:00:09 xstroke has big limitations. Apr 29 13:00:17 but it's very, very cheap to recognise. Apr 29 13:06:58 uh... what i wanted to post was after the install it just seemed to interpret the ascii codes to the terminal.... like nubbers 147589 and so on...but yesterday , strangely , it just worked nice Apr 29 13:08:44 who knows why my grml-debian exits the Xserver when i press like shift-backspace? Apr 29 13:09:50 i did an ipkg xstroke matchbox-stroke and a third thing, but just the matchbox one was found, IIRC Apr 29 13:11:36 but the "i" ... there was no way.... sorry but vertikal stroke my ass Apr 29 13:11:57 vertical stroke grml Apr 29 13:19:03 freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r282 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/ (9 files in 2 dirs): added patches from marcel Apr 29 13:19:37 freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r283 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/data/gsm0710muxd: added init.d script Apr 29 13:19:51 * broedj1 is excited Apr 29 14:10:03 openmoko: 03thomas * r4408 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/Makefile.am: opkg: clean up libopkg Makefile.am a bit Apr 29 14:33:43 That's an ingenious typo. Apr 29 14:35:16 Oh lol sorry :P Apr 29 14:35:26 I wondered where that text went :P Apr 29 14:35:35 does anybody here have a definition for "at some time"? Apr 29 14:35:45 no Apr 29 14:35:45 Nope. Apr 29 14:35:46 at some time = never ;) Apr 29 14:36:21 It cant be too long now hopefully... Apr 29 14:36:40 well, unless destructive testing shows that the FreeRunners blow up when dropped Apr 29 14:36:52 or something Apr 29 14:37:18 good to hear that :P Apr 29 14:37:23 * XorA punts a freerunner at summatusmentis to test Apr 29 14:37:31 I'll try to keep in touch :P Apr 29 14:37:33 * SpeedEvil watches summatusmentis explode. Apr 29 14:37:34 * summatusmentis runs, he can't catch Apr 29 14:38:33 apic: we know it's in the destructive testing phase, assuming that goes well, they'll then start ramping up for mass production Apr 29 14:38:36 but we don't know Apr 29 14:38:49 oh, and apol, see above Apr 29 14:38:53 sorry apic :) Apr 29 14:38:57 Assuming that an oops isn't found due to increasing driver coverage. Apr 29 14:39:18 summatusmentis: :D Apr 29 14:39:18 increasing driver converage? Apr 29 14:39:22 new kernel? Apr 29 14:39:38 As software drivers are written more fully, hardware problems can be revealerd. Apr 29 14:39:58 that's true I suppose, I assumed all the drivers were in place Apr 29 14:40:06 I thought that's part of what OM's job was? Apr 29 14:41:12 drivers will be fixed when hackers have openmoko hw :P Apr 29 14:47:18 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r284 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Apr 29 14:47:18 freesmartphone.org: gsm0710muxd: catch up with dbus bus renaming to org.pyneo.muxer, fix system service activation Apr 29 14:47:18 freesmartphone.org: (pending changing bus name in executable) Apr 29 14:50:16 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r285 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/TODO: gsm0710muxd: update TODO Apr 29 14:55:02 MichaelShiloh: there ? Apr 29 15:13:26 hello folks :) Apr 29 15:13:45 hi ccfly Apr 29 15:53:09 wenn ich cdc_ether und ssh mit Xnest benutze, bekomme ich ein "unhandled event" diesmal immerhin erst nach einer halben Stunde Apr 29 15:53:20 Sorry Apr 29 15:54:50 an Xnest connection to a Openezx device worked for at least half an hour... Apr 29 16:06:04 freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r286 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/ (4 files in 2 dirs): new name for dbus Apr 29 16:10:03 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r287 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/data/org.pyneo.muxer.service.in: gsm0710muxd: fix bogus changes from r286 Apr 29 17:56:21 hi everyone Apr 29 17:57:01 i'm looking to get a new phone -- and i'd like to know if i should wait for the Freerunner to come out or not Apr 29 17:57:58 the hardware will be ready, but the software is still in delevopment Apr 29 17:57:59 we don't know when it's coming Apr 29 17:58:04 yeah, that too :) Apr 29 17:58:17 well - i'm a developer :) Apr 29 17:58:52 we're thinking soon, but it's feasible that something horrible happened during destructive testing, or as device drivers become more developed bugs are found, which would then delay mass market Apr 29 17:59:29 as long as i can make a phone call with it - i'm good. as far as drivers are concerned, i'm ok w/ alpha quality stuff (like wifi driver etc) Apr 29 18:00:16 afaik, phone calls work Apr 29 18:00:33 but I don't know, I'm just a poor college student, who doesn't have any money to spend :) Apr 29 18:00:42 :) Apr 29 18:00:59 * raboof is in that boat: i'm afraid openmoko won't be very impressive in both the hardware (form factor and specs), price or software aspects, but for me the openness will probably make up for it :) Apr 29 18:01:56 ya, i don't care about features (as long as i can make phone calls) Apr 29 18:02:18 if the hardware is there, and i can get to a command prompt w/ a compiler - i'm good ;) Apr 29 18:03:13 i see a UART interface Apr 29 18:03:16 sweet Apr 29 18:03:27 that along w/ wifi - i'm good to go Apr 29 18:05:32 I'm not needing 3G, or the skinniest phone in the world, I want a smartphone, that I can use like a small computer :) Apr 29 18:05:41 right Apr 29 18:06:04 i'm still thinking if i should go with a Neo1973 Apr 29 18:06:20 mick_home: not sure, but i think the prompt on the neo won't have a compiler Apr 29 18:06:35 well i can cross compile Apr 29 18:06:37 It won't. You can though. Apr 29 18:06:39 exactly Apr 29 18:06:45 I've run GCC natively. Apr 29 18:06:47 if i can get to it via a UART board - i'm good Apr 29 18:06:48 It's not that slow. Apr 29 18:07:02 SpeedEvil: cool ;) Apr 29 18:07:13 It's not especially fast of course. Apr 29 18:07:43 yeah, and I imagine once you want to link other libs you're going to feel the memory constraints? Apr 29 18:07:56 It's basically not bad. Apr 29 18:08:08 You can setup swap on the SD. Apr 29 18:08:12 And it just works. Apr 29 18:08:19 that's neat Apr 29 18:09:49 the status report doesn't give a date Apr 29 18:09:59 Of course - if you want to have absolutely all the source on the phone for everything, then you're going to run into problems, unless you can steal a 16G microSD prototype :) Apr 29 18:10:04 i found out that i can get out of my verizon contract Apr 29 18:10:24 nah, don't want to recompile everything Apr 29 18:10:31 i'd just like to develop apps for it Apr 29 18:10:35 for myself Apr 29 18:12:33 one of the big pluses for me is that you can't only add software, you can also hack the 'base' functions of the phone Apr 29 18:12:36 that's pretty unique Apr 29 18:13:22 yeah Apr 29 18:16:25 boo :( gcc-cross-initial is failing with mokomakefile Apr 29 18:22:43 Anyone seen problem with gtk+-directfb dependency: http://www.pastebin.ca/955024 ? Issue or ignore? Apr 29 18:23:03 * SpeedEvil has been playing with tangoGPS in the car. Apr 29 18:23:06 Fun. Apr 29 18:23:20 Is the author on IRC? Apr 29 18:23:25 * SpeedEvil looks around the room. Apr 29 18:24:02 SpeedEvil: does it work? Apr 29 18:24:14 Sure. Apr 29 18:24:16 Very handy. Apr 29 18:24:37 Lets me load OSM mapping for an area, then drive off the edges. Apr 29 18:24:38 sean is posting more obscure blog posts Apr 29 18:25:10 it let's you drive off the edges? what does that mean? Apr 29 18:25:24 OSM - openstreetmap - is a user generated mpa. Apr 29 18:25:25 map Apr 29 18:25:37 Hence, it has edges, where there are dragons. Apr 29 18:25:43 Or at least, missing bits. Apr 29 18:26:15 If you find a turning left in reality, where there is no one shown on the map, then going down it and adding to the map extends the map. Apr 29 18:26:29 but it'll give you directions and stuff, it's functional? Apr 29 18:26:34 No. Apr 29 18:26:39 It gives a moving map. Apr 29 18:26:46 ok Apr 29 18:28:02 with your position highlighted, and your current speed. Apr 29 18:28:38 cool :) Apr 29 18:28:42 http://www.jollen.org/blog/2008/04/qt_iphone_like_graphics.html <-what is this? Apr 29 18:31:06 oh wait, Google translator can tell me :) Apr 29 18:36:19 altogether, the freerunner/openmoko needs to have at least the powermanagement qualities of the montavista a780, backlight and a 2.6 kernel console: thats what i missed on the agenda vr3 Apr 29 18:37:08 and maybe an edible antenna Apr 29 18:37:34 broedj3: I missed a SIM card slot ;) Apr 29 18:37:44 nah Apr 29 18:37:59 i have another phone Apr 29 18:38:00 PM is getting there slowly. Apr 29 18:38:13 resume is coming together. Apr 29 18:38:25 (for GTA01) Apr 29 18:38:35 for a replacement for the vr3 i'd go for a nokia n810 - but it's not a phone, and i'm looking for a phone :) Apr 29 18:38:50 nobody wants to telephone with an LCD television on the ear Apr 29 18:39:17 you might take an old siemens for that Apr 29 18:39:23 I want, send me one. Apr 29 18:39:35 address Apr 29 18:39:58 sounds like a scam. =O Apr 29 18:42:13 bluetooth keyboard vs palm or SE p800 like HW recog. I take the latter Apr 29 18:42:29 HW recog is annoying Apr 29 18:42:59 a mobile 2.6 terminal which can phone. that is a revolution Apr 29 18:43:00 In that it's hard to program nicely Apr 29 18:43:01 you never had an sony ericsson p800 or later Apr 29 18:43:02 it UNDERSTANDS you Apr 29 18:43:33 Yes. that might be. Apr 29 18:43:59 I don't want a phone which understands me, I want to understand the phone :) Apr 29 18:44:22 but p800 is 6 Years old Apr 29 18:45:21 HW recog is sort of the only true mobile solution Apr 29 18:45:45 i did it while walking.... no way with ol' good keyboard Apr 29 18:46:20 Sure there is Apr 29 18:46:21 T9 Apr 29 18:46:27 Or similar Apr 29 18:46:54 does the OM software do T9 yet btw? I briefly tried the qemu image and didn't notice it Apr 29 18:46:59 No. Apr 29 18:47:04 T9 has patent problems Apr 29 18:47:09 SpeedEvil: lol :) Apr 29 18:47:32 bah :) Apr 29 18:48:14 raboof: raster is working on something Apr 29 18:48:29 and this thing in this ipkg repo can do the same. i feel it Apr 29 18:49:33 * SpeedEvil clones raster. Apr 29 18:49:53 how does it compare with when you open it on your desktop? Apr 29 18:49:55 oops Apr 29 18:50:44 SpeedEvil: the neo looks much better in hw than on my desktop -_- :) Apr 29 19:05:16 my TyTn II arrived Apr 29 19:05:20 it's shiny hardware Apr 29 19:07:37 are you actually gonna use it? It looks kinda pretty... except for the windows part Apr 29 19:08:27 right now it's got a pretty bloated AT&T rom on it Apr 29 19:08:36 I'll be putting on a cut-down dutty rom this evening Apr 29 19:10:13 what is the cut-down rom? Apr 29 19:11:27 basicalyl it's a standard wm6 rom, with the cruft removed Apr 29 19:11:30 *basically Apr 29 19:11:38 released by a dude called dutty Apr 29 19:12:09 now all I have to figure out is how to do windows mobile development from my Debian box :) Apr 29 19:14:36 I don't like windows mobile Apr 29 19:16:06 ewon: doesn't HTC have their own finger-friendly thing they add on top of WM6? Apr 29 19:16:13 djk_: I get that error all the time. It hasn't caused any problems. Apr 29 19:16:24 Vegar: yeah, the cube. the dutty roms include it Apr 29 19:19:31 one question, is correct that the iphone's processor is underclocked to 450mhz? Apr 29 19:40:55 when is the gta02 supposed to be released to the general public Apr 29 19:41:19 legion: this year Apr 29 19:41:32 haha Apr 29 19:41:32 like this summer? Apr 29 19:41:45 legion: yes Apr 29 19:42:06 legion: june maybe Apr 29 19:42:53 do you know anything about the pcb layout and if the camera interface pins of the processor will be accessable? Apr 29 19:43:11 There are no camera interface pins accessible. Apr 29 19:45:13 wikipedia says that iphone's processor is ~600mhz, but it is underclocked to 450mhz, is that right? Apr 29 19:45:26 Join #apple Apr 29 19:45:28 :) Apr 29 19:45:29 Dunno. Apr 29 19:45:43 underclocking isn't uncommon. Apr 29 19:45:46 For several reasons. Apr 29 19:46:11 mostly power/thermal related. Apr 29 19:46:54 i want to use this to control an autonomous robot Apr 29 19:47:23 * SpeedEvil points at http://tincantools.com/ Apr 29 19:47:37 though it doesn't have exported camera eitehr, you can use USB1.1 webcams Apr 29 19:48:04 And it's available now and much cheaper than the freerunner. Apr 29 19:48:12 Of course, no LCD, GSM, GPS, ... Apr 29 19:50:22 yeah thats kind of why i wanted to use a cell phone Apr 29 19:50:37 What do you actuaslly need? Apr 29 19:51:03 i dont need any of it Apr 29 19:51:22 just thought it would be cool to play with Apr 29 19:51:55 I'm contemplating using the tincantools thing - it's largely identical to the neo - which is nice. Apr 29 19:51:57 need in the sense of "what functionality are you looking for" Apr 29 19:52:21 (from teh software side) Apr 29 19:52:36 And with the neo, I don't want to risk smacking it into the ground at 100MPH. Apr 29 19:53:17 SpeedEvil: why would something be travelling at the ground at 100MPH? Apr 29 19:53:26 Because it's going on a flying thing. Apr 29 19:53:28 bah I want a damn freerunner now I can't even SMS on my phone now (damn keypad!) Apr 29 19:53:40 SpeedEvil: ooh... :) Apr 29 19:53:43 unknown_lamer: lol, keep calm Apr 29 19:53:45 I'm just waiting for the flash to start going bad (I mean ... 4+ years is pushing it I think) Apr 29 19:53:52 why is this processor so expensive Apr 29 19:54:09 And if I get the gravity vector the wrong way down, it's going to smack really, really hard with 500W going into 1Kg from 1Km altitude. Apr 29 19:54:11 unknown_lamer: I think my screen on my razr will go before anything else Apr 29 19:54:12 of course it looks like there will be evil issues with gsm and suspend so I'll have to wait until they are resolved before I can risk $400 :-\ Apr 29 19:54:13 Gottox: i want to phone Apr 29 19:54:42 legion: what processor? Apr 29 19:54:45 SpeedEvil: what kind of flying thing? Apr 29 19:54:49 unknown_lamer: where did you read that ? Apr 29 19:54:56 CVirus: -kernel Apr 29 19:54:57 http://www.mauve.plus.com/test.png Apr 29 19:55:02 unknown_lamer: ah ok Apr 29 19:55:13 CVirus: basically it looks like the modem doesn't do flow control i.e. the problems will persist in gta02 Apr 29 19:55:14 edistar: thrust vectored helicopter type thingy. Apr 29 19:55:20 the samsung chip on a breakout board is 140$??? Apr 29 19:55:24 wtf Apr 29 19:55:31 SpeedEvil: what's the purpose of this flying thing? Apr 29 19:55:31 SpeedEvil: nice Apr 29 19:55:36 legion: it's not a breakout board. Apr 29 19:55:40 SpeedEvil: exactly my plan :P Apr 29 19:55:57 legion: it's a complete booting linux system. Apr 29 19:56:07 SpeedEvil: but with 3 rotors :) Apr 29 19:56:12 CVirus: hopefully it's just a matter of sending some funky AT code to the modem or something ... or at worst a quick firmware patch Apr 29 19:56:25 quick being relative to replacing the modem hardware Apr 29 19:56:29 legion: just connect power, and a USB stick, and you've got connection over wifi forex. Apr 29 19:56:31 hopefuly Apr 29 19:56:32 unknown_lamer: what is flow control? Apr 29 19:57:13 edistar: on a uart flow control lets you tell the other device to stop transmitting when your fifo is full and then allow it to begin transmitting again when it is empty Apr 29 19:57:37 oh, thats handy ;) Apr 29 19:57:40 edistar: or in this case stop transmitting when the cpu is suspended and beging transmitting after the kernel is up enough to start reading from the uart Apr 29 19:58:09 otherwise you just start losing bits which ... has the expected consequence Apr 29 19:58:13 yep Apr 29 19:58:21 thanks for the info Apr 29 19:58:25 draining power Apr 29 19:59:11 and gsmd is dumb and just dies on these errors and thinks the modem is down depsite it working fine Apr 29 19:59:35 unknown_lamer: ok, thats why gsm after resume isn't working yet? Apr 29 19:59:44 It works for me. Apr 29 19:59:45 unknown_lamer: do you know which bug it is? Apr 29 19:59:45 IIRC yes for the most part Apr 29 19:59:54 edistar: nope but let me find the thread on -kernel Apr 29 19:59:59 mwester has been doing work on it. Apr 29 20:00:04 And it seems mostly working. Apr 29 20:00:10 ok Apr 29 20:00:17 resume from SMS and calls seems to 'just work' Apr 29 20:00:37 make it a great notepad, your NEO. the finepixled screen will surely support it. leave 5 MP cams to Sony Apr 29 20:00:41 SpeedEvil: thats cool! Apr 29 20:01:07 i know you cannot agree right now :-) Apr 29 20:01:08 I want a camera. Apr 29 20:01:14 Even if it's only 640*480 Apr 29 20:01:18 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-April/002596.html Apr 29 20:01:30 unknown_lamer: thx Apr 29 20:01:33 np Apr 29 20:01:40 Cameras are not only for taking pictures to show to people. Apr 29 20:01:51 didnt you say one can "client" any webcam on usb? Apr 29 20:02:00 broedj3: sure. Apr 29 20:02:09 which package? Apr 29 20:02:14 broedj3:;2~ I thoguht you were talking of phones. Apr 29 20:02:23 I kind of miss having a camera on my phone (bah, getting slammed into a rail at a metal show took care of that phone feature) Apr 29 20:03:00 kaz: not really Apr 29 20:03:01 oosp Apr 29 20:03:50 SpeedEvil: supposedly resume works most of the time ... which is not all of the time :-\ Apr 29 20:04:02 SpeedEvil: a little delay in unsuspend -> lost data -> goodbye gsm Apr 29 20:04:04 i dont say cams and wifi and 3G and Radiobuttons with gnome style bluez-remote is not nice - but it is just nice. everybody had an agenda vr3 right now, not only in russia, if it had gsm Apr 29 20:04:09 I can only say that it works for me - with SMS Apr 29 20:04:38 imagine, a telephone with AA cells Apr 29 20:04:57 now I want a gta04 already :-) Luckily I am an /adult/ now so I should be able to afford to drop another $400 a year from now Apr 29 20:05:00 ehm AAA Apr 29 20:05:05 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Camera Apr 29 20:05:40 unknown_lamer: a year? for GTA04? Apr 29 20:05:43 you make me crazy with your fancy spyware blingbling Apr 29 20:06:03 summatusmentis: it looks like they skipped gta03 for whatever reason? Apr 29 20:06:10 oh really? Apr 29 20:06:14 yes Apr 29 20:06:26 where do you see that? kernel lists? Apr 29 20:06:29 read the hardware and kernel lists they are not a waste of time like the community list Apr 29 20:06:54 summatusmentis: raster said so Apr 29 20:07:22 oh, intersting Apr 29 20:08:32 are they listening to the poll? Apr 29 20:08:54 What poll? Apr 29 20:08:58 yours Apr 29 20:09:06 that is no longer in the status Apr 29 20:09:12 Oh. Apr 29 20:09:15 That was never relevant. Apr 29 20:09:17 IMO. Apr 29 20:09:20 And it wasn't mine. Apr 29 20:09:24 That was ScaredyCats. Apr 29 20:09:27 oh right, sorry Apr 29 20:09:41 it was supposed to be the 'community voicing it's opinion' Apr 29 20:09:41 It's trivially obvious that if 3G can be done it should be. Apr 29 20:09:56 apparently not, which was raster's point Apr 29 20:10:04 The community squeeking about it won't make 3G chipsets magically appear. Apr 29 20:10:28 well, true, but it might make OM work harder to find them, or get them to a price point where their reasonable, or w/e Apr 29 20:11:40 There is a very long list of things that are obvious that users want, but are horrible to deliver in reality. Apr 29 20:12:00 Infinite battery life, large bright screens in a tiny package, ... Apr 29 20:13:52 sure, but there are also thing that would almost need to be done in order to be competitive, specs-wise Apr 29 20:14:35 And some simply aren't practical. Apr 29 20:15:41 It's really trivial to implement many of the ideas - if you put in a million dollars or so of funding in to the hardware development. Apr 29 20:15:47 right Apr 29 20:16:38 Maybe more. The mobile phone chipset world is a _horrible_ one for the small development company. Apr 29 20:16:59 Openmoko is helped greatly in that they can piggyback off FICs existing supplier relationships. Apr 29 20:17:29 But that doesn't really help if they want to do something that FIC hasn't done. Using a new processor, GPU, or OS. Apr 29 20:19:11 As far as GSM chips are concerned Telit has been very helpful even though we're not exactly a multibillion dolar corporation Apr 29 20:19:19 Add to that that many vendors aren't really interested in small volume (<100K) - and it gets nasty. Apr 29 20:19:25 ccfly: chips or modules? Apr 29 20:19:30 modules Apr 29 20:19:39 Modules are a different case. Apr 29 20:19:47 They are made for the small volume user largely. Apr 29 20:19:52 I see Apr 29 20:20:08 But they perhaps double the price of integrating it all on your own PCB. Apr 29 20:20:11 And add volume. Apr 29 20:20:46 beats me but it doesn't hurt to ask Apr 29 20:31:34 nobody wants a phone that's flagship quality is "openness" . not even god himself Apr 29 20:31:43 broedj3: I do Apr 29 20:32:46 you know, the main use of a mobile phone in palestine? make it with magnesia alloy changeable housing Apr 29 20:33:31 Yea, but one day you're an adult. and then you need stability Apr 29 20:33:53 broedj3: Most people here know why they're here. Apr 29 20:34:57 learn from Siemens. Your Project will be not paying one time, but the phones will survive, you can use a SL42 knee deep in pity Apr 29 20:37:04 -1 troll Apr 29 20:38:10 nobody wants an operating system whos flagship quality is openness Apr 29 20:39:26 Its hopeless to beg for stability in a color LCD World, but maybe one day the Batteries will not make a 3rd of the screen. and then everybody can extend the USB capabilities with ANY kind of forthcoming USB gadgets. I already saw 1 gram cams, BT sticks, 3G modems, wifi Apr 29 20:40:15 make it a tool Apr 29 20:40:41 theres too many gadgets, it might be forgotten Apr 29 20:41:07 it already is a tool, sorry, forgot thst Apr 29 20:41:08 a Apr 29 20:41:45 * broedj3 says hugh Apr 29 20:42:46 legion: Irony? ;) Apr 29 20:43:01 Or sarcasm, rather Apr 29 20:43:57 abraxa_: or jealousy? :) Apr 29 20:46:07 i'm overreacting, but here the spartan name openmoko, and there many kids in a candyshop. 650 Mhz VGA Computer with 1000 MAh Battery where is my Valium Apr 29 20:47:04 * broedj3 has no idea about PM, seen here Apr 29 20:51:49 bring the clowns Apr 29 20:52:59 openmoko: 03alphaone * r4409 10/developers/alphaone/u-blox/libubx/ (17 files in 3 dirs): * Started working on libubx, a library to generate and parse UBX packets Apr 29 21:33:39 I hope the dude working on UBX protcol for ublox looked into what gpsd allready supports Apr 29 21:43:09 ccfly: You know more about the features gpsd does or does not support? Apr 29 21:43:54 not really I' just asking, hoping you're not duplicationg something gpsd guys have allready done Apr 29 21:44:00 As far as I could tell it does not support saving almanac, ephemeris data and loading that again for warm/hot start Apr 29 21:44:19 true I've been loking for that few days ago coming to same conclusion Apr 29 21:44:24 ccfly: No, I looked at it. But they only seem to support UBX for nav messages Apr 29 21:45:05 yes I've seen no AGPS stuff there Apr 29 21:45:12 pitty really Apr 29 21:45:27 ccfly: ask edistar, maybe he'll have something up his sleeve :) Apr 29 21:45:40 Also advanced device configuration, enabling almanac navigation is on my list. Apr 29 21:45:41 ccfly: I mean emdete Apr 29 21:45:43 ccfly: sry.. Apr 29 21:49:20 nice self promotion attempt edistar :) Apr 29 21:50:48 Hehe Apr 29 21:51:17 ccfly: :D Apr 29 21:51:48 ccfly: well, ask me if you so please ;) Apr 29 22:12:51 how can i easiest crash the X server keeping the console happy? Apr 29 22:19:57 openmoko: 03zecke * r3cc97e26b71d 10/src/server/phone/phonelauncher.cpp: [dbus] Export the status/pin handling as /Status Apr 29 22:19:58 openmoko: 03zecke * r2da762fa8888 10/src/server/phone/phonelauncher.cpp: [dbus] Create the object on the fly, no need for a local variable Apr 29 22:19:58 openmoko: 03zecke * r10de97e1da34 10/src/server/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [sms] Allow to send SMS through Qtopia Apr 29 22:20:00 openmoko: 03zecke * r312941ba907a 10/src/server/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [sms] Spec the interface to export SMS browsing driven by what QMailStore supports Apr 29 22:20:02 openmoko: 03zecke * r42bfda1d1084 10/src/server/phone/ (smsstatusdbusexporter.cpp smsstatusdbusexporter.h): [sms] Attempt at an implementation to export the data Apr 29 22:20:05 openmoko: 03zecke * rb193de145130 10/src/server/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [contact] Create an interface for diversity to export contacts, really simple Apr 29 22:20:08 openmoko: 03zecke * r22ac516482a8 10/src/server/phone/contactdbusexporter.cpp: [contact] Initial implementation of the dbus interface for contacts Apr 29 22:26:49 is "locate" somewhere? Apr 29 23:25:54 good night folks Apr 29 23:34:22 as i dont know how to edit, could someone state to the Community_updates, that touching the touchscreen with the ear is not healthy and that every phone user should probably avoid it. in the wiki is a problem described, what about disabling the touchscreen for the main area and leaving a small spot for unlocking the touchscreen, so that one can make easy edits while speaking handsfree Apr 29 23:35:04 so there will also be no erroneous irritations, on both sides Apr 29 23:35:52 why Community_updates? Apr 29 23:36:50 broedj1: that's on the wiki in several places. Apr 29 23:41:48 i just need love, i think Apr 29 23:45:41 broedj1: it has a vibrator. Apr 29 23:47:13 uh Apr 30 00:10:02 SpeedEvil: i dont see the grid config file , despite your nice command Apr 30 00:10:22 seems i have only busybox grep Apr 30 00:11:26 :/ Apr 30 00:11:27 hmm Apr 30 00:11:33 dunno Apr 30 00:11:41 I've not got it installed anymore Apr 30 00:12:10 you saw something "2/3 down that page" hm? Apr 30 00:12:14 * SpeedEvil googles. Apr 30 00:12:24 I mean the list of strokes Apr 30 00:12:27 ah the xstroke pahe Apr 30 00:12:37 cworth... i look t up Apr 30 00:13:22 but it seems so different, that pdf grid templates, and what it really does Apr 30 00:13:38 page Apr 30 00:13:52 broedj1: I documented the original configuration I wrote. Apr 30 00:13:53 graphics demo with an atmega: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNCqrylNY-0 Apr 30 00:14:15 broedj1: I have no idea if what's installed on the neo beard any resemblance to it. Apr 30 00:15:19 broedj1: It certainly didn't seem to in the little I played with the recognizer. The program on the neo was not full-screen, was not very responsive in rendering the stroke, and did not seem to have the same configured strokes for recognition. Apr 30 00:15:28 well, i would like to teach it Apr 30 00:17:03 as it is VERY responsive on my device. please kick me, because it is late, i have an appointment tomorrow, and i'm talking about the angstrom x11 gpe on my A780 Apr 30 00:17:15 broedj1: I never did write any sort of training interface back when I wrote xstroke. Apr 30 00:18:16 nah. but Speed said that one could play around with this grid data coordinates? Apr 30 00:18:42 i'm not talking about debian cellwriter or stuff Apr 30 00:19:03 besides, cant that be ported? Apr 30 00:20:04 broedj1: Like I said, I really have no idea if you're running the program I wrote or not. :-) Apr 30 00:20:15 matchbox stroke Apr 30 00:20:25 k Apr 30 00:20:52 broedj1: But yeah, what I wrote was pretty easy to configure "manually" by coding up little grid-digit sequences. Apr 30 00:21:08 which config file? Apr 30 00:21:24 broedj1: Yes, that's what I mean. I wrote "xstroke" several years ago. I have no idea if "matchxbox-xstroke" bears any resemblance to it. Apr 30 00:21:49 When I wrote xstroke, it used /etc/xstroke/alphabet for its configuration I think. Apr 30 00:22:19 ah k Apr 30 00:22:41 finally :) Apr 30 00:23:08 n8 Apr 30 00:23:46 * SpeedEvil has vague recollections of a Apr 30 00:23:53 file called alphabet Apr 30 00:26:37 cworth: still using it? Apr 30 00:26:55 cworth: or have you got a vastly improved unreleased version? :) Apr 30 00:27:37 HA Apr 30 00:27:49 that atmega demo is pretty incredible Apr 30 00:28:17 ah Apr 30 00:28:22 strokes.xml I think Apr 30 00:29:19 /usr/share/matchbox-stroke/strokes.xml Apr 30 00:30:29 i think I have a vastly improved, unreleased Version Apr 30 00:42:20 Anyone know how to stop the "cannot check for file existence when cross compiling" error on xserver-kdrive using the makefile? Apr 30 01:09:40 http://www.handsolomobile.com/ Apr 30 01:11:21 SpeedEvil: Sadly, I haven't been using it at all. Apr 30 01:11:52 SpeedEvil: The original purpose I had for xstroke was for some Compaq iPaqs we were using at work, (running Linux and X). Apr 30 01:12:50 SpeedEvil: is this a hoax ? Apr 30 01:13:05 ah it is Apr 30 01:13:08 just saw a middle finger Apr 30 01:13:08 Very fun toys, (paricularly when we added wifi), but I quickly decided I needed a single device that was a phone as well. Apr 30 01:13:09 LOL Apr 30 01:13:34 SpeedEvil: So that's why I've been looking forward to the openmoko stuff, (and again, particularly with wifi). Apr 30 01:13:48 SpeedEvil: So I may have to brush off my xstroke code again before too long. Apr 30 01:13:50 that hand-mobile thing is just ridiculous somehow Apr 30 01:14:00 who would want to watch people with fingers in their ears all the time Apr 30 01:14:41 next somebody discovers the nose can be used for input and people start shoving up their fingers in there too :P Apr 30 01:16:06 SpeedEvil: That's really funny. Apr 30 01:23:16 cworth: xstroke is so stupid - in concept, but works surprisingly well. Apr 30 01:23:38 cworth: the only real problem for me with it was the somewhat insane grammar for making new strokes flexibly. Apr 30 01:24:17 I mean - you'd think 'no - that can't work' - but it does. Apr 30 02:04:03 hi. Apr 30 02:22:18 ya think there will be a massive rush to get gta02 with people who dont get in quick having to wait months? Apr 30 02:42:58 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r288 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/data/gsm0710muxd.conf: gsm0710muxd: fix dbus busname in .conf **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Apr 30 03:00:02 2008