**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 01 02:59:56 2008
May 01 03:53:41 <brezel0r> hello :)
May 01 03:55:57 <doc|home> I'm watching the video, and they said the final product's going to be thinner?
May 01 03:56:42 <doc|home> also
May 01 03:56:44 * doc|home wants :/
May 01 03:57:01 <xaid> doc|home: they were kidding :)
May 01 03:57:08 <doc|home> shame that :)
May 01 03:57:36 <xaid> yep heh
May 01 07:36:44 <Elessar_81> Hello everyone
May 01 07:47:15 <Elessar_81> has anyone experience in running openmoko on a treo 650 device? i'm finding only micheal sheldons page, but there is no howto
May 01 08:54:27 <Hopscotch> good morning
May 01 08:55:07 <vladimir_> morning
May 01 09:03:42 <mbuf> will it be possible to buy the FreeRunner across the counter at LinuxTag 2008?
May 01 09:17:55 * ScaredyCat wonders if the delay is because Computex 2008 is very soon
May 01 09:39:37 <israel> sup
May 01 09:40:21 <israel> where is freerunner
May 01 09:40:22 <israel> ?
May 01 09:40:23 <israel> :)
May 01 09:40:34 <edistar_> israel: in china
May 01 09:41:21 <edistar_> mbuf: contact mickey|bbl about it, afaik he will be there and might be able to organize something
May 01 09:41:50 <mbuf> edistar_, ok
May 01 09:42:32 <israel> edistar_: at production line?
May 01 09:42:33 <israel> :)
May 01 09:42:55 <edistar_> israel: I hope MP will start soon ;)
May 01 09:45:16 <mickeyl> heya
May 01 09:46:02 <edistar_> mickeyl: hi
May 01 09:47:10 <mbuf> mickeyl, hi; are there any plans to sell FreeRunner models at LinuxTag 2008?
May 01 09:48:50 <mickeyl> plans, yes
May 01 09:48:57 <mickeyl> whether it'll be real depends on the actual MP date
May 01 09:49:02 <mbuf> mickeyl, ok
May 01 09:49:18 <mickeyl> for the records, the delay has nothing to do with trade shows or something
May 01 09:49:39 <mickeyl> it's just that the pre-MP runs have shown some issues which had to be fixed
May 01 09:53:19 <dcordes> mickeyl: further hardware revisions?
May 01 09:54:34 <mickeyl> no
May 01 09:55:25 <CVirus> delay ?
May 01 09:55:38 <mickeyl> there's a whole lot more that can need fixing on a production line than just the actual hardware :)
May 01 09:56:44 <edistar> mickeyl: so can you predict any date?
May 01 09:56:46 <dcordes> I'm very curious in how far freerunner sales will impact the media
May 01 09:58:10 <mickeyl> edistar: I'm not allowed to. i can only say still plan to sell devices @ LT
May 01 09:58:38 <edistar> mickeyl: okey :)
May 01 09:58:53 <dcordes> breaking: android competitor on the horizon? lol
May 01 09:59:09 <dcordes> in computerbild
May 01 09:59:19 <edistar> dcordes: :D
May 01 10:01:07 <edistar> mickeyl: the LT won't be that long.. looking forward!
May 01 10:05:48 <SpeedEvil> When is LT?
May 01 10:06:02 <edistar> SpeedEvil: end of may
May 01 10:14:01 <mbuf> SpeedEvil, May 28-31, 2008
May 01 10:47:41 <masterdev> Free .com .net and .org domain in http://free.novafree.net
May 01 10:48:31 <balrog-kun> what does that have to do with anything?
May 01 10:48:53 <masterdev> mickeyl
May 01 10:48:53 <masterdev> :)
May 01 10:48:55 <masterdev> Free .com .net and .org domain in http://free.novafree.net
May 01 10:48:58 <masterdev> for you!
May 01 10:49:22 <mickeyl> thanks for the offer, but we have already plenty of free domains
May 01 10:51:11 <SpeedEvil> Free gift with every freerunner! 
May 01 11:38:35 <CIA-42> openmoko: 03thomas * r4412 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg_download.c: opkg: add some extra error checks to opkg_verify_file()
May 01 12:09:22 <broedje> there are two tuts for dual booting; on goxboxlive and in openezx: which one is more recent?
May 01 12:43:46 <bahadir_> Hi, when is GTA02 going to be available for sale?
May 01 12:45:52 <patoh> when its ready
May 01 12:45:54 <SpeedEvil> It's been said recently by someone who should know that tehy hope to have it on sale by may 28th - at the LinuxTag festival.
May 01 12:48:33 <bahadir_> ok thanks for letting me know. I guess sales won't be through the website.
May 01 12:49:11 <SpeedEvil> Yes, they will
May 01 12:49:19 <SpeedEvil> but nothing has eben said about that
May 01 13:31:34 <CIA-42> openmoko: 03thomas * r4413 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/gtkbutton: openmoko-standard-2: fix bug 1233 - GtkToggledButton looks bad
May 01 14:18:29 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r289 10/trunk/software/py-ophoned/ (9 files in 2 dirs): py-ophoned: add our own copy of pygsm. will use the standalone version of pygsm eventually
May 01 15:52:26 * ScaredyCat gets back up off the floor
May 01 15:53:08 * ScaredyCat has 2 DP-L10's
May 01 15:53:27 <summatusmentis> what are DP-L10's?
May 01 15:53:42 <ScaredyCat> gsm + sip phones
May 01 15:53:55 <summatusmentis> oh, cool
May 01 15:54:24 <ScaredyCat> tiny though
May 01 15:54:30 <balrog-kun> But Will They Blend?
May 01 15:54:34 <ScaredyCat> I think my fingers are too big
May 01 15:54:52 <ScaredyCat> I suspect they would very easily balrog-kun
May 01 15:55:10 <balrog-kun> ScaredyCat: let's find out!
May 01 15:55:27 <ScaredyCat> ok, let me know when you buy one to blend then..
May 01 15:55:36 <balrog-kun> :(
May 01 15:55:45 * summatusmentis wonders about GSM data where he lives
May 01 15:56:26 <ScaredyCat> if it exists?
May 01 15:57:01 <summatusmentis> if it's cheap enough for a college student :)
May 01 15:58:23 <summatusmentis> oh no! class
May 01 16:11:47 <minivan> mmm why are people in the kernel ml talking about GTA04? Is it because GTA03 design is already decided or the GTA series will follow a power of 2 number scheme? :)
May 01 16:12:13 <Vegar> I think they skipped GTA03
May 01 16:12:19 <cb22> minivan: according to raster, they're just skipping it
May 01 16:33:09 <kdean06> GTA03 already exists...
May 01 16:33:14 <kdean06> But it's sort of a joke.
May 01 16:33:36 <Qwell> have to keep up with Rockstar
May 01 16:48:11 <israel> :)
May 01 16:52:43 * CM blinks
May 01 16:56:02 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1377 has been created by kevin(AT)foreverdean.info
May 01 16:56:03 <cdbot2> * * Plugging in Headset doesn't silence external speakers
May 01 16:56:04 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1377
May 01 16:56:32 <Qwell> ^ my laptop did that through the entire ubuntu gutsy release cycle..
May 01 16:57:56 <markit> is there a easy way, maybe through qemu, to play with openmoko software and user interface?
May 01 16:58:42 <kdean06> Yes.
May 01 16:59:55 <kdean06> markit, There's a wiki entry for "Openmoko on Qemu". RElated is MokoMakefile which is a script to build what you need.
May 01 17:00:01 <kdean06> I don't have links right now, too busy. :P
May 01 17:00:16 <markit> kdean06: ok, thanks a lot :))
May 01 17:10:02 <mickeyl> Robot101: ping?
May 01 17:10:15 <Robot101> mickeyl: pong
May 01 17:10:25 <mickeyl> hey. python question
May 01 17:10:29 <mickeyl> +dbus of course
May 01 17:10:39 <Robot101> sure, go ahead
May 01 17:11:19 <mickeyl> how can i overcome the limitation of method name == dbus method name? say, i have two interfaces which i want to serve from one object, but the two interfaces both have a GetStatus method. How would I do that w/ python? 
May 01 17:12:01 <Robot101> >:O
May 01 17:12:04 <gambler> is it possible the freerunner could be reprogrammed to TX/RX @ eg...125-148 Khz for RFID purposes?
May 01 17:12:12 <Robot101> that's not something you should do, generally :p
May 01 17:12:29 <mickeyl> well
May 01 17:12:34 <mickeyl> but it's one object
May 01 17:12:37 <Robot101> some bindings get interfaces kinda wrong, meaning they fall back on just method name matching
May 01 17:12:40 <mickeyl> which has multiple capabilities
May 01 17:12:59 <mickeyl> so multiple interfaces need to be implemented
May 01 17:13:00 <Robot101> GetFooStatus, GetBarStatus would be less onerous
May 01 17:13:08 <mickeyl> mmhr
May 01 17:13:11 <mickeyl> but that's nasty
May 01 17:13:18 <mickeyl> it's unnecessary redundancy
May 01 17:13:33 <Kero> just curious, which two interfaces of what object?
May 01 17:13:40 <Robot101> a bit, yes. properties might also help, but iirc they're kinda unimplemented in dbus-python.
May 01 17:14:06 <Robot101> do they have the same prototype, or different?
May 01 17:14:17 <Robot101> if they have the same prototype, there's nothing you can do IIRC
May 01 17:14:19 <mickeyl> Kero: for instances. org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network and org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM could both have a GetStatus() -> a{sv}
May 01 17:15:04 <Robot101> if they've got different prototypes, then you can implement one on a subclass, and one on a superclass, and the MRO walker will find the one with the right signature, but that's very fragile indeed
May 01 17:15:19 <mickeyl> *nod* not good either
May 01 17:15:37 <mickeyl> guess I need a better decorator for that task
May 01 17:15:48 <Robot101> I think you're out of luck otherwise, but it would be a very simple patch to add a name argument to the decorator
May 01 17:16:00 <mickeyl> *nod*
May 01 17:16:10 <mickeyl> i think i may look into that
May 01 17:16:22 <mickeyl> i don't want to compromise on the API just because bindings suck
May 01 17:16:56 <Robot101> welcome to my world. :)
May 01 17:17:01 <mickeyl> hehe
May 01 17:17:15 <summatusmentis> hello all
May 01 17:17:17 <Robot101> as a consequence collabora became the maintainers of dbus-python, and spent a long time hacking on dbus-glib too
May 01 17:17:25 <Robot101> but there's a limit to how much you can keep doing that
May 01 17:17:37 <Robot101> and some times when you need to just get on with your work
May 01 17:18:15 <Robot101> if you wanted to commission any dbus performance/enhancement/binding works, we'd be happy to provide quotes
May 01 17:18:33 <`pwgen`> hellp
May 01 17:18:37 <`pwgen`> hello
May 01 17:19:12 <mickeyl> well, i'm afraid i will not get a budget for these kind of things from om
May 01 17:19:24 <mickeyl> they won't understand :)
May 01 17:19:30 <mickeyl> "just make it work" ;)
May 01 17:19:48 <Robot101> "this will make it work faster/better"
May 01 17:20:00 <mickeyl> ya. once all that stuff works we can profile and talk about optimizations
May 01 17:20:15 <mickeyl> but that's a couple of months away. i just started a couple of months with really doing middleware
May 01 17:20:20 <mickeyl> +ago
May 01 17:20:26 <Robot101> hmm, the decorator doesn't store the name at all
May 01 17:20:27 <`pwgen`> mickeyl: ich have complete my dbus ringer but there may be a performance lag playing ringtones via pulseaudi/gstreamer ..(:-((
May 01 17:21:01 <mickeyl> `pwgen`: i'm not surprised by that, however i would be very surprised if it was a major problem
May 01 17:21:09 <mickeyl> setting up a gstreamer pipeline may cost us 2 seconds
May 01 17:21:13 <mickeyl> but that should be it
May 01 17:21:22 <mickeyl> if it's longer, then something is broken
May 01 17:21:40 <israel> hm, question, shoud i try open moko on fsc n560?
May 01 17:22:05 <mickeyl> Robot101: bummer, they do it on-the-fly with getattr magic?
May 01 17:22:38 <Robot101> mickeyl: well, it's not too hard to move that
May 01 17:23:18 <Robot101> oh right, of course
May 01 17:23:27 <Robot101> the methods are already in the class dict with their python method name
May 01 17:23:45 <Dominus> israel: does that run Linux at all, though?
May 01 17:23:55 <Dominus> Also, it's not a phone, is it?
May 01 17:24:03 <Robot101> you'd need to add a different dbus method name dict to the class and patch the MRO walker to use that instead
May 01 17:24:15 * Robot101 ponders
May 01 17:25:03 <mickeyl> hmm wait
May 01 17:25:13 <mickeyl> is this the generic python decorator mro walker?
May 01 17:25:19 <mickeyl> or a special py-dbus one?
May 01 17:25:29 <Robot101> no, service.py has one which considers interface names
May 01 17:25:38 <mickeyl> ah
May 01 17:25:44 <mickeyl> i would not want to fiddle with the generic MRO ;)
May 01 17:25:47 <Robot101> :)
May 01 17:26:34 <Robot101> heh, I remember some of the fun hacks I came up with here :)
May 01 17:26:47 <Robot101> you didn't used to have to provide signatures at all
May 01 17:26:58 <Robot101> I added that, and an iteratable signature class
May 01 17:27:39 <Robot101> and as a fallback, an iteratable VariantSignature class that just returns an infinite number of v's, so when you zip() it with argument names, they're all marked as variants
May 01 17:27:42 <Robot101> hehe
May 01 17:28:54 <mickeyl> nice
May 01 17:29:18 <mickeyl> speaking about that
May 01 17:29:26 <mickeyl> i found a bug in the dbus-bindings today
May 01 17:29:44 <mickeyl> obviously it does not check whether a python int really fits in a dbus int32
May 01 17:29:56 <mickeyl> neither does it try to make it fit into an int64 as fallback
May 01 17:29:59 <mickeyl> it just crashes :D
May 01 17:30:19 <Robot101> heh
May 01 17:30:35 <mickeyl> i'll add a bug into the bugtracker 'bout that
May 01 17:32:47 <`pwgen`> what ist the right way to suspend the neo1973:  apm  -s ?
May 01 17:33:04 <mickeyl> if you want to do it on the console
May 01 17:33:09 <mickeyl> echo "mem" >/sys/power/state
May 01 17:33:34 <mickeyl> however, eventually, you should really use the dbus API for that
May 01 17:33:51 <mickeyl> since that will do some housekeeping tasks before you can sanely fall asleep
May 01 17:34:05 <`pwgen`> the problem is, that i can not resume .. mostly LSD colours in the frame buffer , and the a reboot 
May 01 17:34:21 <mickeyl> well, that's a kernel problem independent of what you use to suspend
May 01 17:34:25 <mickeyl> i think mwester has fixed it by now?
May 01 17:36:21 <`pwgen`> i use a git kernel ( 5 days old  ) the first cycle works( mostly)  , the second resume cycle crash ..
May 01 17:37:56 <tharvey> anyone know what happened to sameo?  wanted to chat with him about the ath6k driver - haven't seen him in a week?
May 01 17:39:06 <mickeyl> probably very busy with projects
May 01 17:39:27 <mickeyl> his contract on the ath6k is more or less done
May 01 17:39:36 <mickeyl> but i'm sure he'll fix bugs and apply patches 
May 01 17:39:55 <tharvey> so the driver is stable?
May 01 17:40:59 <tharvey> the current driver being used for GTA02 is http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-atheros-2.0/ correct? (There were a couple others 1 dir down from that)
May 01 17:43:19 <mickeyl> well, apart from #1250 and a bunch of minor bugs it should be stable, yeah
May 01 17:43:28 <mickeyl> the latest code is in the git.openmoko.org
May 01 17:50:42 <israel> Dominus: its pda
May 01 18:00:16 <CIA-42> freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r290 10/trunk/software/py-ophoned/ (6 files in 2 dirs): py-ophoned: add option to use preferred modem
May 01 18:00:58 <`pwgen`> py-ophoned , is that the successor for the pyneod ?
May 01 18:01:47 <mickeyl> ya. pyneod is emdete's quick'n'dirty solution all-in-one solution :)
May 01 18:01:53 <summatusmentis> I think the plan is an ophoned, an odeviced, and one other one
May 01 18:01:56 <mickeyl> py-ophoned is the telephony middleware
May 01 18:02:10 <mickeyl> yeah, what summatusmentis says
May 01 18:02:12 <summatusmentis> oh, mickeyl is around :) ignore me
May 01 18:02:38 <`pwgen`> pyneod is the only solution that works ..( for me ) 
May 01 18:02:53 <summatusmentis> what do you mean?
May 01 18:03:38 <`pwgen`> the gsmd allway crashes .. the pyneod works for my littel phone . the only problem that i have is a working sleep/resume process 
May 01 18:03:53 <mickeyl> yeah, gsmd is unfortunately very problematic
May 01 18:04:03 <mickeyl> but (py-)ophoned will be more stable
May 01 18:04:09 <mickeyl> + having a sane dbus interface
May 01 18:04:09 <`pwgen`> ( by the way with pyneod i could make calls / recieve  calls without rebooting the gui
May 01 18:04:28 <summatusmentis> well, I think the plan is dbus-enabled middleware, with a sort of modular backend
May 01 18:04:44 <tharvey> mickeyl, I don't see the ath5k driver in git.openmoko.org's kernel.git - where would I find it there?
May 01 18:04:55 <`pwgen`> when i can make clean sleep/resume cycles i can say the moko works ....
May 01 18:05:33 <mickeyl> tharvey: hmm
May 01 18:05:39 <mickeyl> you really want me to dig the path out for you?
May 01 18:05:47 <summatusmentis> `pwgen`: there's a GSoC project that'll hopefully make that possible
May 01 18:05:56 <mickeyl> drivers/wireless or something
May 01 18:06:04 <mickeyl> or where network drivers are in the kernel
May 01 18:06:23 <tharvey> mickeyl, well... the svn dir that I found is a collection of patches - http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/sameo/patches 
May 01 18:06:27 <`pwgen`> GS0C project ? where ... and what does that mean .. ?
May 01 18:06:34 <tharvey> doesn't look like 'those' patches are applied to the kernel in the git though
May 01 18:06:56 <summatusmentis> `pwgen`: Google Summer of Code. Sup3rkiddo is working on odeviced
May 01 18:07:10 <tharvey> mickeyl, well... this is SDIO based, so I expected to see drivers/sdio which was sameo's patch (he pulled in from the sdio-linux project)
May 01 18:07:51 <tharvey> so are you saying that http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=summary is supposed to be a 'patched kernel' or is there a patchset somewhere 
May 01 18:08:12 <tharvey> I'm not really familiar with how openmoko is version controlled - I see a git and svn... a little confused
May 01 18:08:17 <`pwgen`> ahh Google Summer of Code . not Gnu System on Chip or shomething .... ahh
May 01 18:08:50 <summatusmentis> nope, not system on a chip, sorry. I forget that some people are hardware people
May 01 18:09:15 <`pwgen`> *G*
May 01 18:09:29 <mickeyl> tharvey: how 'bout http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=tree;f=drivers/sdio/function/wlan;h=0b816ad7be1aeebfa2b240cbc09ad5c0f08bc204;hb=stable ?
May 01 18:10:58 <`pwgen`> is there a schematic diagramm ( electronic) for the moko or only the description at the wiki ? 
May 01 18:11:05 <tharvey> mickeyl, ya thats it - guess I don't quite understand how the git web interface works - i couldn't get there where I was going
May 01 18:11:11 <mickeyl> heh
May 01 18:11:16 <mickeyl> you first select the branch
May 01 18:11:25 <mickeyl> then click on "tree" and browse
May 01 18:11:31 <mickeyl> the a6k is not yet in Linus tree
May 01 18:12:19 <tharvey> I was selecting tree under kernel.git - http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=tree what is that supposed to represent?
May 01 18:12:25 <tharvey> (sorry I'm a git heh)
May 01 18:12:27 <mickeyl> upstream
May 01 18:12:33 <mickeyl> i guess
May 01 18:12:38 <mickeyl> i'm a git illiterate as well
May 01 18:14:49 <tharvey> hmmm... still very confused - trying to disect your URL above and figure out what it actually means (as http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=tree takes me somewhere else with no drivers/sdio tree)
May 01 18:15:03 <tharvey> branch is what is shown as 'project'?
May 01 18:15:28 <geocode> git rocks.  Is that what you guys are using!  Sweet.
May 01 18:15:35 <geocode> Can't wait to get involved!
May 01 18:16:11 <tharvey> oh so looking at http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=summary - the 'heads' are heads of various branches?
May 01 18:19:23 <mickeyl> tharvey: bingo
May 01 18:22:24 <tharvey> so the fact that the openmoko kernel.git project is tracking kernel.org means your on 2.6.25 currently right?
May 01 18:44:21 <vladimir_> hallo huys
May 01 18:44:29 <vladimir_> guys :P
May 01 18:45:11 <vladimir_> i had the following err during compiling the openmoko-devel-image
May 01 18:45:11 <vladimir_> | /bin/sh ../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-libtool --tag=CC --mode=link arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc -march=armv4t -mtune=arm920t   -DXFILESEARCHPATHDEFAULT=\"/etc/X11/%L/%T/%N%C%S:/etc/X11/%l/%T/%N%C%S:/etc/X11/%T/%N%C%S:/etc/X11/%L/%T/%N%S:/etc/X11/%l/%T/%N%S:/etc/X11/%T/%N%S:/usr/share/X11/%L/%T/%N%C%S:/usr/share/X11/%l/%T/%N%C%S:/usr/share/X11/%T/%N%C%S:/usr/share/X11/%L/%T/%N%S:/usr/share/X11/%l/%T/%N%S:/usr/share/X11/%T/%N%S:/usr/lib/X11/%L/%T/%N%C
May 01 18:45:12 <vladimir_> %S:/usr/lib/X11/%l/%T/%N%C%S:/usr/lib/X11/%T/%N%C%S:/usr/lib/X11/%L/%T/%N%S:/usr/lib/X11/%l/%T/%N%S:/usr/lib/X11/%T/%N%S\" -DERRORDB=\"/usr/lib/X11/XtErrorDB\" -DMALLOC_0_RETURNS_NULL -DXTMALLOC_BC -isystem/home/vmihaylov/devel/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include -fexpensive-optimizations -frename-registers -fomit-frame-pointer -Os  -L/home/vmihaylov/devel/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib -Wl,-rpath-lin
May 01 18:45:13 <vladimir_> k,/home/vmihaylov/devel/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib -Wl,-O1 -o libXt.la -rpath /usr/lib -version-number 6:0:0 -no-undefined ActionHook.lo Alloc.lo ArgList.lo Callback.lo ClickTime.lo Composite.lo Constraint.lo Convert.lo Converters.lo Core.lo Create.lo Destroy.lo Display.lo Error.lo Event.lo EventUtil.lo Functions.lo GCManager.lo Geometry.lo GetActKey.lo GetResList.lo GetValues.lo HookObj.lo Hooks.lo Initialize.lo Intrinsic
May 01 18:45:18 <vladimir_> .lo Keyboard.lo Manage.lo NextEvent.lo Object.lo PassivGrab.lo Pointer.lo Popup.lo PopupCB.lo RectObj.lo ResConfig.lo Resources.lo Selection.lo SetSens.lo SetValues.lo SetWMCW.lo Shell.lo TMaction.lo TMgrab.lo TMkey.lo TMparse.lo TMprint.lo TMstate.lo Threads.lo VarCreate.lo VarGet.lo Varargs.lo Vendor.lo sharedlib.lo StringDefs.lo -lSM -lICE -lX11
May 01 18:45:24 <vladimir_> | arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-libtool: link: `Varargs.lo' is not a valid libtool object
May 01 18:45:25 <ewon> wtf
May 01 18:45:26 <vladimir_> | make[4]: *** [libXt.la] Error 1
May 01 18:45:28 <vladimir_> | make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/vmihaylov/devel/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libxt-1_1.0.5-r1/libXt-1.0.5/src'
May 01 18:45:31 <vladimir_> could anyone point me in the problem
May 01 18:45:37 <ewon> jesus dude, use a pastebin
May 01 18:45:42 <tharvey> heh
May 01 18:45:45 <vladimir_> sorry :)
May 01 18:46:00 <vladimir_> i didn't reealize that it would be so large :P
May 01 18:47:32 <SpeedEvil> Needs upgraded EMI protection.
May 01 18:54:45 <`pwgen`> juju 4 sleep/resume cycles without reboot juhu
May 01 18:55:02 <`pwgen`> now i have a phone ....
May 01 18:58:37 <israel> gta01?
May 01 19:03:00 <borg_> `pwgen`: with gta01?
May 01 19:06:29 <`pwgen`> yes 
May 01 19:07:03 <borg_> cool
May 01 19:07:07 <`pwgen`> but after kernel update i have probe with gst ... need to fix something .
May 01 19:54:46 <matthew__> :)
May 01 19:57:55 <J-23> hi
May 01 20:31:25 <alphaone> emdete: ping
May 01 20:31:53 <alphaone> emdete: What was that AGPS protocol thing that you talked about before?
May 01 20:32:10 <SpeedEvil> alp: you mean in general?
May 01 20:32:16 <SpeedEvil> alp: or specific to teh GTA02
May 01 20:32:55 <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-GPS
May 01 20:33:37 <emdete> alphaone: SUPL
May 01 20:40:37 <alphaone> emdete: thanks
May 01 20:40:48 <alphaone> SpeedEvil: No, I meant in general.
May 01 21:10:56 <edistar> SpeedEvil: you are from england, right? what company offers the cheapest sim-only contracts in respect to gprs?
May 01 21:11:58 <SpeedEvil> No, scotland.
May 01 21:12:08 <SpeedEvil> However t-mobile is pretty good.
May 01 21:12:12 <edistar> SpeedEvil: sry.. I apologize ;)
May 01 21:12:17 <edistar> thx
May 01 21:12:19 <SpeedEvil> I think their PAYG tarrif is about best.
May 01 21:12:42 <SpeedEvil> You pay up to 1 pound a day for data, or .7p/k below that
May 01 21:12:52 <SpeedEvil> you can buy a 'web pack' for 5 days for 2.50
May 01 21:13:26 <edistar> ok
May 01 21:13:38 <SpeedEvil> So that's 15 quid a month for 'unlimited' data - if you use it everyday
May 01 21:13:45 <edistar> yeah
May 01 21:13:52 <SpeedEvil> if you just use it occasional days, it's cheaper
May 01 21:14:04 <edistar> thx for the info
May 01 21:19:54 <edistar> SpeedEvil: do you happen to know if sms cost double to foreign contries?
May 01 21:20:13 <edistar> cause they do from .nl, but they don't from .de
May 01 21:20:21 <edistar> so I wonder about .uk
May 01 21:21:59 <SpeedEvil> I think it's more expensive.
May 01 21:22:02 <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure.
May 01 21:22:04 <edistar> ok
May 01 21:32:37 <Robot101> Weiss: aha :)
May 01 22:31:40 <Weiss> Robot101: :D
May 02 00:40:37 <saleh> hi all, I was trying to build openmoko but the following error appeared http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9336/ can any one help me ?
May 02 00:44:15 <abraxa_> saleh: Can you show your build/conf/local.conf, please?
May 02 00:44:27 <mmontour> saleh: your build/conf/local.conf needs the line: MACHINE = "om-gta01" (or presumably "om-gta02" if you want to build for the Freerunner)
May 02 00:46:16 <saleh> abraxa: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9340/ 
May 02 00:46:51 <saleh> mmontour: can I build for gta01 or not ?
May 02 00:46:55 <abraxa_> saleh: As mmontour said, fic-gta01 was changed to om-gta01
May 02 00:48:24 <saleh> abraxa: will it work for Neo 1973 ?
May 02 00:48:29 <abraxa_> Yeah
May 02 00:48:38 <abraxa_> Just the name is different
May 02 00:49:03 <saleh> abraxa: mmontour: thanks very much for your time :) 
May 02 00:51:58 <abraxa_> You're welcome
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