**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 03 02:59:56 2008 May 03 07:58:12 chirping May 03 11:29:39 freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r295 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/src/gsm0710muxd.c: May 03 11:29:39 freesmartphone.org: reduce startup delay May 03 11:29:39 freesmartphone.org: retry channel allocation if not acked by modem May 03 12:50:38 summatusmentis, its not out yet ;) May 03 15:08:47 A new ringtone. http://fukung.net/v/1601/waltz.gif May 03 15:11:37 .gif ? May 03 15:12:01 LOL May 03 15:12:36 ill click any link it is so quiet today! May 03 15:21:01 what are you doing ? May 03 15:21:38 who can tell me when will freerunner on sale May 03 15:23:36 tobe002: God only knows ... we have to wait May 03 15:23:43 God the one and only knows about it May 03 15:23:48 he knows everything May 03 15:23:57 hallelujah May 03 15:23:59 ROFL May 03 15:24:04 the guy freaked out May 03 15:25:18 tobe002: welcome back :-D May 03 15:25:28 tobe002: /topic May 03 15:25:42 hehe... May 03 15:26:55 sorry ,here now is 11:26 i think its time to sleep May 03 15:27:06 night May 03 15:27:22 so... slow... today... May 03 15:27:27 bye...i am now in china ...heha..... May 03 15:27:42 yes night May 03 15:28:03 I was in China 3 days ago :D May 03 15:31:51 hehe,,,,,i want join you ,and to do something about my future however i think both of my english and computer need to improve ....bye everyone...... May 03 15:32:53 sorry "my future cellphone" May 03 15:32:58 G'night.. and your English is better than most Chinese, I guess :D May 03 15:33:12 Man, did I have difficulties making myself understood there. May 03 15:33:33 haha.....thank you.... May 03 15:33:50 I'd like to learn Mandarin but it seems quite hard. May 03 15:49:51 It's really not. May 03 15:49:57 2 year-olds do it. May 03 15:50:53 Heh May 03 15:50:59 2 year olds actually have twice the neurons of a full grown adult May 03 15:51:20 Well it's more difficult if you've been indoctrinated by western language structures all your life. May 03 15:51:20 the reality of the matter is a 2 year old is far smarter than an adult, its just that their database is empty May 03 15:53:09 the odd thing is its been shown a 2 year old can actually learn multiple languages simultaneously May 03 15:53:12 Not so much bothered by conventions, I guess. May 03 15:53:48 The reason a fundamentally different language is hard to learn for an adult, is because you almost automatically try to relate it to everything else you've learned. May 03 15:54:15 In that regard it adds a lot of overhead. May 03 15:54:45 actually no May 03 15:54:46 thats wrong May 03 15:54:57 its literally because your brain becomes hard wired to the language May 03 15:55:06 the point about a 2 year old having twice the neurons of an adult May 03 15:55:26 is that a 2 year old is literally hard wired to absorb and learn language at that point in its development May 03 15:55:42 they have so much mental capacity they can learn multiple languages not even by studying them May 03 15:55:46 just byh being around them May 03 15:56:13 then over time the nurons get culled and they get hard wired for whatever their native language is May 03 15:56:23 once its hard wired you cannot get rid of your accent for example May 03 15:56:39 That's not strictly true May 03 15:56:39 nor your various cognitive programming associated with your native language May 03 15:56:44 actually it is May 03 15:56:49 but it's vastly more difficult May 03 15:57:05 Well, that was more or less what I was trying to say :) May 03 15:57:10 let me rephrase May 03 15:57:15 at least thats what i read :) May 03 15:57:16 lol May 03 15:57:58 Not sure about the accent thing, though... I've met Dutch people that moved to the US and within 10 years they couldn't speak proper Dutch without an American accent anymore. May 03 15:58:09 I.e. people that are 20 or older. May 03 15:58:23 really? May 03 15:58:28 i've never seen that :) May 03 15:58:30 would be neat May 03 15:58:33 really May 03 15:58:44 same with people from the UK visiting the states May 03 15:59:07 i've heard that north americans can emulate japanese very well May 03 15:59:20 to the extent that japanese look down on those that can do it perfectly :) May 03 15:59:38 thats interesting tho, i didn't know May 03 15:59:53 Well, the consonants are similar, and I'd say, Japanese (and Chinese to a certain extent) has a more limited set of them. May 03 16:00:15 E.g. a lot of Swedish and Norwegian people can emulate a perfect British accent. May 03 16:00:58 no kidding? May 03 16:01:00 to non-brits May 03 16:01:03 I've met Swedish people that had very limited understanding of English but it still sounded genuine. May 03 16:01:58 SpeedEvil: well it may not be 1 on 1 but I'm sure even Brits can hear the difference between a near-perfect and an outright inaccurate accent. May 03 16:02:29 Sure - but what sounds like a dead-on new york accent to me - to a resident... May 03 16:03:16 Should still sound closer to the actual thing than say, Arnold Schwarzenegger. May 03 16:03:45 There's a rather large margin between perfection and approximation, of course. May 03 16:05:03 nordic languages sound really difficult to my ears May 03 16:06:49 u can definitely change your accent May 03 16:06:55 that is just practice May 03 16:08:29 some actors do it for a living May 03 16:08:35 Scandinavian languages look quite easy to me, except for Finnic. May 03 16:08:43 I'm sure I could learn Swedish pretty quicly. May 03 16:09:10 I was in Sweden for about 3 weeks once and in the end I could read parts of the newspaper. May 03 16:09:49 I can speak English and German, and Swedish is basically a mix of that with some oddities. May 03 16:23:08 cb22, unfortunately no... :-( May 03 16:23:14 * josch = sad May 03 16:31:04 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r0ce19b94cb39 10/otapi/README: ciabot test commit May 03 16:31:13 *phew* May 03 16:39:47 no community update for almost a month :( :P May 03 16:47:10 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r6fecc78198dd 10/AUTHORS: gsm0710muxd: add marcel in AUTHORS May 03 16:49:13 sumfins up:) May 03 16:50:23 josch: boo :( dont go all emo on us now May 03 16:51:00 * josch = emo-josch May 03 16:52:35 here, take this razor blade May 03 16:52:50 thanks May 03 16:52:52 rzzzzz May 03 16:52:55 RZZZZZZ May 03 16:54:24 no..not all over the channel May 03 16:54:28 * anrp hands josch a towel May 03 17:04:18 emdete: ein pygsm.git befindet sich jetzt auch dort May 03 17:07:05 * cb22 hands josch a bucket May 03 18:16:28 !logs May 03 18:16:29 Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: May 03 18:16:30 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko May 03 18:16:31 Live-logs are available at May 03 18:16:33 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog May 03 18:16:35 See ?? help-logs for usage instructions May 03 18:22:07 * summatusmentis wiggles his fingers magically so that OM goes faster May 03 18:24:40 hi mickeyl May 03 18:27:45 so I've been talking to people who have t mobile at my school, and they all have mediocre service May 03 18:28:26 which is depressing, because that's the only GSM provider worth considering around here May 03 18:29:30 where is 'here' again? May 03 18:29:40 western MN May 03 18:29:50 University of Minnesota - Morris May 03 18:29:57 (US) May 03 18:30:06 hi all, I'm using ubuntu 7.10 and I was building openmoko but this problem occured http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9796/ can any one help me please ? May 03 18:31:10 saleh: i think i have seen something about this in the bugtracker. did you look there yet? May 03 18:31:48 mickeyl: no I didn't, will you please send me a link to the bugtracker ? May 03 18:31:58 i would May 03 18:32:01 if i knew it offhand May 03 18:35:35 mickeyl: could you give me a place to search in ? May 03 18:35:55 start with bugzilla.openembedded.net May 03 19:50:40 hi all, I'm using ubuntu 7.10 and I'm trying to build openmoko but that error arises http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9804/, I've tried searching for the same error on bugzilla but non where found, I only found someone have the same problem on http://pastebin.ca/995933 and replies May 03 19:50:50 can any one help me please ? May 03 19:51:18 saleh: try with the mailing list May 03 19:51:25 saleh: you an arab ? May 03 19:51:43 CVirus: yes, I'm May 03 19:51:52 saleh: Egyptian / May 03 19:51:52 ? May 03 19:52:09 CVirus: yes May 03 19:52:15 saleh: saba7 el fol :-D May 03 19:52:48 CVirus: masa2 el anwar :) May 03 19:52:57 saleh: #EgLUG May 03 19:53:23 Egyptian GNU/Linux User Group May 03 19:53:24 CVirus: I heard about it, from some friend May 03 19:54:15 :-) May 03 20:02:44 hi all can anyone help me with this problem http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9804/ , please ? May 03 20:28:24 hi all, I'm using ubuntu 7.10 and I'm trying to build openmoko but that error arises http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9804/, I've tried searching for the same error on bugzilla but non where found, I only found someone have the same problem on http://pastebin.ca/995933 and replies May 03 20:35:25 openmoko: 03zecke * rfe178356c36e 10/ (30 files in 16 dirs): [hig] the QWaitWidget is considered harmful remove May 03 20:38:11 hi all can anyone help me with this problem http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9804/ , please ? May 03 20:46:02 * * OM Bug 1378 has been created by vollseil(AT)arcor.de May 03 20:46:03 * * kdrive fails to configure May 03 20:46:04 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1378 May 03 20:53:59 hello, i went on the planet and there is an article about rms and openmoko...but it's in chinese and i can't understand it...i'm very curious...what's the topic? May 03 20:58:18 GNUtoo: yes, it's in chinese, I don't know why May 03 21:05:02 * * OM Bug 1379 has been created by openmoko(AT)ingmars-bastelecke.net May 03 21:05:02 * * KDrive doesn't build May 03 21:05:04 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1379 May 03 21:36:09 hi all can anyone help me with this problem http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9804/ , please ? May 03 21:39:26 GNUtoo: http://www.google.com/translate_t May 03 21:40:46 thanks May 03 21:52:54 saleh: You have installed all dependencies and stuff like that? (look at the wiki) Maybe google for "configure: error: cannot check for file existence when cross compiling". Do you have the /usr/share/sgml/X11/defs.ent file? (I really don't know, but nobody else are answering you, so ...) May 03 22:06:44 haakeyar: thanks so much, I really don't have the /usr/share/sgml/X11/defs.ent file but I don't know how to have it, and I have installed all dependencies May 03 22:08:58 haakeyar: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1379 May 03 22:10:22 this file shouldnt be used its from host and oe should not used hostfiles May 03 22:11:12 woglinde: so, can you suggest a solution to the problem ? May 03 22:11:38 nope May 03 22:11:52 woglinde: thanks ;) May 03 22:17:15 saleh: edit line 120 of openembedded/packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive-common.inc to: ac_cv_file__usr_share_sgml_X11_defs_ent=no" May 03 22:17:35 I just tried to post a patch to bugzilla, but it puked with an internal server error. May 03 22:27:48 mmontour: thanks alot it worked fine :) May 03 23:41:27 hi all, I'm using ubuntu 8.04 and there were a problem that says mmap: Permission denied; the solution to the problem is su "echo 4096 > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr" May 03 23:42:21 I want to post it to the community but I don't know how, can anyone help me ? May 03 23:42:57 i would recommend openembedded-users@lists.openembedded.org May 03 23:43:16 since this may be interesting to a broader audience May 03 23:43:28 you can cc: distro-devel@lists.openmoko.org May 03 23:45:09 mickeyl: what should I post exactly ? May 03 23:45:23 what you just sead May 03 23:45:26 said, even May 03 23:45:41 problem with mmap while building an image May 03 23:45:46 solution: ... May 03 23:47:55 mickeyl: ok, I've sent it, thanks for your time :) May 03 23:49:04 np May 04 00:05:49 anyone use navit on a neo yet? May 04 00:06:34 I've used tangogps May 04 00:14:23 * mwester is still waiting for Openmoko to comment on http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1376 (sigh) May 04 00:21:50 * SpeedEvil sighs. May 04 01:03:56 mwester-trip: earlier I mentioned that GPRS worked to transmit a large amount of data without problems. I realise now that tcp/ip and ppp layers will both detect overrun errors, so that isn't true. May 04 01:16:54 n **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun May 04 02:59:57 2008