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May 14 03:24:27 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03john_lee * r4429 10/trunk/src/host/toolchain-scripts/: move from the developer's directory to a more sensible place.
May 14 03:42:15 <liwei> hello,how to use wifi?
May 14 03:42:57 <liwei> i couldn't find any wiki tutor use wifi
May 14 04:17:15 <xaid> liwei: wifi is only available in GTA02 (Freerunner)
May 14 04:30:26 <BSCH> hi, liwei
May 14 04:31:30 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03john_lee * r4430 10/trunk/src/host/toolchain-scripts/ (bin/om-conf scripts/script-env setup-env): update to match the new sysroot structure in oe.
May 14 04:31:42 <liwei> well
May 14 04:31:58 <liwei> hi
May 14 04:33:25 <BSCH> liwei, you could add qq group 11333029
May 14 04:34:23 <liwei> 你是中国的？
May 14 04:35:17 <BSCH> yes
May 14 04:35:27 <BSCH> please don't type chinese word
May 14 04:35:29 <liwei> hehe ,i have in this group
May 14 04:35:35 <BSCH> :)
May 14 04:36:25 <rtm> I didn't even know you *could* enter Chinese text.   Cool!
May 14 04:36:51 <BSCH> :)
May 14 04:37:13 <mwester> Looks like square boxes on my client :)
May 14 04:37:50 <rtm> Looks good on XChat.
May 14 05:21:28 <Hopscotch> good morning
May 14 05:23:24 <xaid> good morning.
May 14 06:16:59 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * raf62241a92eb 10/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Modified python tests to allow testing initializations
May 14 06:16:59 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * rf0003625b60c 10/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'ccwa'
May 14 06:25:52 <methril|away> morning
May 14 06:27:29 <data_jepp> Nice morning indeed, the sun is high and im happy!
May 14 07:00:07 <liwei> hello,why my neo1973 couldn't play mp3 with media player
May 14 07:01:35 <rtm> Does anyone know if the Freerunner will ship with any applications which use the gypsy GPS multiplexing daemon?
May 14 07:19:38 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * rab8c84bb35ce 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
May 14 07:19:38 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: Modified CallStatus to use ai instead of a(i) signature
May 14 07:19:38 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: Added a test for situation where gsmd2 is started when gsm modem has active calls
May 14 07:26:32 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03heikki.paajanen * r83d7331dc088 10/test/Makefile.am: Rebuild pyfreesmartphone stuff when *.pxi files are updated
May 14 07:26:33 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03heikki.paajanen * rfea43412e6b0 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:gsmd2
May 14 07:34:58 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * rf6b8bee01aca 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Added ListCalls to libfreesmartphone.
May 14 07:36:52 <liwei> why my neo doesn't has ipkg?
May 14 07:37:07 <liwei> please do me a favor
May 14 07:37:20 <rtm> liwei: Openmoko now used opkg, rather than ipkg.
May 14 07:38:28 <rtm> liwei: What favor do you need to have done?
May 14 07:47:40 <liwei> ok,i will try it
May 14 07:48:04 <liwei> thank you for your help from bottom of my heart
May 14 08:05:42 <mne> hi, can anyone tell me the difference between googles android and openmoko. which is the better choice?
May 14 08:06:26 <Tuju> no news on mass production start?
May 14 08:07:36 <rtm> mne: They are quite different things.   While both are linux based, Android is supported by several large manufacturers, while Openmoko is a smaller project.
May 14 08:07:59 <rtm> Openmoko is much more oriented towards community-developed software.
May 14 08:09:06 <rtm> Openmoko is trying to make as much information as possible for end users, both about software and hardware.
May 14 08:09:41 <rtm> It is apt to be a much more interesting project for hobbyists, than Android.
May 14 08:09:57 <mne> I found on a site that some parts of android are released under open-source-license and openmoko is completely opensource (except wifi i think)
May 14 08:11:13 <rtm> The only closed parts of Openmoko are those dealing directly with some of the chips for which information is available only under a non-dislosure agreement.
May 14 08:14:12 <mne> can i use the openmoko freerunner out of the box (phone, calender, todo, contacts, mp3, wifi, gps)?
May 14 08:15:12 <mne> Is the packagemanagement such easy like aptget?
May 14 08:15:29 <rtm> mne: The initial release of the Freerunner will be targeted towards developers, so the software will have bugs, and rough edges.
May 14 08:16:26 <rtm> 2op "Even the neo1973, the earlier device, can be used for everything you mention above, except Wifi (the neo1973, unlike the Freerunner, has no Wifi).
May 14 08:17:05 <rtm> 2op Openmoko uses the opkg package manager, which works as easily as aptget.
May 14 08:17:18 <rtm> 2op "opkg works very well right now.
May 14 08:17:21 <patoh> rtm: quick question, that is the status of sending and receving calls on the software side?
May 14 08:17:49 <rtm> patoh: I can send and receive calls on my neo1973.
May 14 08:17:59 <patoh> rtm: awesome, same with text messages?
May 14 08:18:03 <rtm> What does not work well is the suspend feature.
May 14 08:18:21 <patoh> so far its on par with my nokia 6300 if it can half send text messages ;)
May 14 08:18:27 <patoh> that thing fails like no other
May 14 08:18:36 <rtm> Yes, text messages work too.   However, without a usable suspend feature, the battery life is very poor.
May 14 08:18:48 <patoh> more than a day?
May 14 08:19:09 <rtm> No.   But that should be fixed on the Freerunner.
May 14 08:19:16 <mne> I like the project and i think i will get one as soon as i can use the basic features out of the box
May 14 08:19:37 <patoh> ok, that is where my n6300 shines, it can last 23 hours ;)
May 14 08:19:40 <rtm> The original neo1973 has problems with suspend which should be fixed on the Freerunner.
May 14 08:20:31 <mne> thanks to all developers spending their time to this project
May 14 08:20:37 <rtm> The lack of a really reliable suspend feature is probably the one thing that keeps most people from using their neo1973 as a practical day-to-day phone.
May 14 08:21:08 <rtm> But there is every reason to believe the Freerunner will be able to suspend, and will have a practical battery life.
May 14 08:22:01 <methril> with Freerunner now it's a sw feature, the HW feature for longer battery it's ok
May 14 08:22:45 <BDo> Well, the use of a tickless kernel should help a bit on the battery life size.
May 14 08:23:59 <emdete> tickless?
May 14 08:24:45 <BDo> Yep, the feature appeared on 2.6.23 on i386 only, and (if i'm right) finished on 2.6.24
May 14 08:24:54 <emdete> what is it?
May 14 08:25:39 <BDo> No clock tick at usually 100Hz that wakes up the phone for most of the time nothing else than selecting idle.
May 14 08:26:14 <methril> BDo this doesn't depends of the micro architecture?
May 14 08:27:05 <BDo> methril, it sure depended on it on 2.6.23, I'm not sure on 2.6.24 but it's a definite energy saver.
May 14 08:27:31 <patoh> methril: it does depend on the arch
May 14 08:27:39 <patoh> in .25 it works on amd64 and x86
May 14 08:27:45 <methril> yes, but what happens with the signals for the GSM modem and the other peripheals
May 14 08:27:46 <patoh> no idea about other arch's
May 14 08:27:53 <BDo> We're not clocked by the GSM signal and TDMA frames so we have no interest in having a regular tick.
May 14 08:28:14 <methril> and the RAM?
May 14 08:29:33 <BDo> Well, tickless is one thing, suspend is one other thing that could be done under some circumstances.
May 14 08:29:55 <liwei> what's the name of gps's deriver?
May 14 08:30:14 <BDo> If we have an idle period that we know is long enough then it's worth considering suspension
May 14 08:30:41 <BDo> on a ticked kernel the max duration of a truly idle time is 1/HZ second.
May 14 08:31:37 <patoh> I assume calls/messages will awake the phone from suspension
May 14 08:32:10 <raster> you pray they do...
May 14 08:32:12 <BDo> patoh, an incoming call will certainly raise an interrupt which will wake the phone up.
May 14 08:33:47 <patoh> is there anything else at this point that raises that interrupt?
May 14 08:34:10 <raster> yo momma
May 14 08:34:46 <BDo> Well, hopefully most peripheral actions will be interrupt driven at some point
May 14 08:34:57 <raster> power button does
May 14 08:35:01 <BDo> busy-wait is a poor option on a mobile phone :-)
May 14 08:37:32 * raster gets busy...
May 14 08:45:09 <jorgenpt> Hm, basically I want to use my Neo1973 for something, so I'm thinking I'll use it as a kinda "terminal" for my servers or applications running on them.
May 14 08:45:43 <jorgenpt> So my first thought is just to expose some webui, and leave it on usb-ethernet - what browser should I look at?
May 14 08:46:23 <jorgenpt> I'd want something fast, with a minimal UI (perhaps none?), and perhaps javascript/ecmascript.
May 14 09:07:23 <rtm> Does anyone know if the Freerunner will ship with any applications which use the gypsy GPS multiplexing daemon?
May 14 09:08:38 <patoh> the topic needs treatment at book length. As it happens,
May 14 09:08:41 <patoh> oops
May 14 09:08:44 <patoh> stupid touchpad
May 14 09:09:07 <XorA> rtm: no
May 14 09:09:23 <rtm> XorA: OK, thanks.
May 14 09:09:41 <XorA> rtm: they are shipping with a fairly minimal image
May 14 09:10:30 <zedstar_> i would be interested in something that talks to geoclue which in turn talks to gypsy
May 14 09:13:05 <zedstar_> im not sure how mature that framework is in terms of openmoko
May 14 09:14:52 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03thomas * r4431 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (9 files in 4 dirs): 
May 14 09:14:52 <CIA-43> openmoko: opkg: * Add opkg-key utility
May 14 09:14:52 <CIA-43> openmoko:  * Move update-alternatives to utils directory
May 14 09:14:52 <CIA-43> openmoko:  * Update opkg_verify_file function to import keys from /etc/opkg
May 14 09:31:15 <w3i> can anyone point me how should I add directFB to openmoko?
May 14 09:38:08 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03john_lee * r4432 10/developers/john_lee/toolkit/: No longer required.
May 14 09:44:17 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03john_lee * r4433 10/developers/john_lee/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
May 14 09:44:17 <CIA-43> openmoko: build-scripts: scripts I used on buildhost (s)
May 14 09:44:17 <CIA-43> openmoko: scripts: some convenient scripts
May 14 09:55:45 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03agreen * r15a4b99a1e11 10/gta02-dm2/src/tests-bluetooth.c: fix-enable-bt-before-scan.patch
May 14 09:55:46 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03agreen * r57fdcb37827d 10/gta02-dm2/src/ (oltk/oltk.c oltk/oltk.c~ tests-motion.c): improve-motion-test.patch
May 14 09:55:46 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03andy * r77e2b65cd51b 10/gta02-dm2/src/tests-version.c: fix-literal-filename-for-nor.patch
May 14 09:55:47 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03andy * r95ff2816aef2 10/gta02-dm2/data/bru93q_7s.wav: add-beep-wav.patch
May 14 10:28:22 <torpor> hello
May 14 10:28:47 <torpor> gang, anyone using neo1973 RNDIS ethernet gadget with OSX Leopard?  For some reason my neo is now showing up as a modem, not an ethernet device.  anyone know a fix?
May 14 10:29:16 <emdete> torpor: is that during u-boot?
May 14 10:29:40 <emdete> torpor: the neo is a serial device on usb when in u-boot
May 14 10:30:28 <torpor> yeah its after u-boot
May 14 10:30:50 <torpor> i guess the problem is that leopard is not re-enumerating and after the RNDIS driver is detected, leopard still thinks its a serial device.
May 14 10:32:17 <XorA> leopards cant change their spots or usb devices :-)
May 14 10:36:11 <emdete> torpor: so plug it in later
May 14 10:46:10 <jorgenpt> So what rootfs & kernel is recommended?
May 14 10:46:19 <jorgenpt> Or rather, which one can you guys recommend?
May 14 10:48:10 * jorgenpt tries http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/uImage-2.6.24+git20080508-r0-om-gta01.bin & http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/scaredycat-openmoko-devel-image-om-gta01.jffs2
May 14 10:54:01 <methril> <jorgenpt> TAke a look: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:SnapshotReview
May 14 10:56:26 <jorgenpt> Thanks methril :)
May 14 10:57:55 <methril> you are wellcome
May 14 11:00:18 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03thomas * r4434 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (configure.ac libopkg/opkg.c libopkg/opkg.h): opkg: add some error codes to libopkg
May 14 11:11:09 <jorgenpt> What scripting languages are in those rootfs images, methril?
May 14 11:12:13 <methril> i don't really know, but i suposse python
May 14 11:12:34 <jorgenpt> And what're the useful opkg repositories, do they have a package list online somewhere?
May 14 11:13:47 <methril> you could use ipkg "files"/ repositories
May 14 11:14:03 <methril> it's full compatible
May 14 11:14:51 <methril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories
May 14 11:14:59 <jorgenpt> Ok
May 14 11:29:38 <jorgenpt> Is there any language that has some kind of sane bindings to the GUI widgets used by openmoko?
May 14 11:29:41 <jorgenpt> Python?
May 14 11:30:38 <raster> c 
May 14 11:30:40 <raster> :)
May 14 11:31:12 <jorgenpt> Scripting language. I'm looking for something that has a bit more rapid development. ;)
May 14 11:31:36 <jorgenpt> opkg whines about missing .sig-files, is that normal?
May 14 11:32:16 <patoh> pygtk is shipped isn't it?
May 14 12:19:24 <andreas> Hi!
May 14 12:20:40 <andreas> I'm looking for a Common Lisp implementation that will work on the Freerunner. Is there anything I can try in the emulator yet while waiting for the hardware?
May 14 12:21:58 <liwei> hello, who knows where i can find grs driver used in gta02?
May 14 12:22:15 <liwei> hello, who knows where i can find GPS driver used in gta02?
May 14 12:22:45 <emdete> liwei: what do you mean with driver?
May 14 12:23:17 <liwei> GPS driver for GTA01 is gllin
May 14 12:23:27 <SpeedEvil> cat
May 14 12:23:31 <emdete> liwei: there is none needed
May 14 12:23:34 <SpeedEvil> turn the GPS on - echo 1>somewherre
May 14 12:23:43 <SpeedEvil> then cat /dev/ttySAC1 
May 14 12:23:45 <SpeedEvil> IIRC
May 14 12:23:45 <emdete> liwei: it spits out nmea dfrom serial
May 14 12:23:51 <emdete> SpeedEvil: right
May 14 12:24:01 <soundar> Hi all
May 14 12:24:13 <emdete> liwei: can be used by gpsd oder gypsy directly
May 14 12:24:54 <soundar> I am trying to build the sample application for openmoko as given in the page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain
May 14 12:25:32 <soundar> while executing the command "om-conf openmoko-sample", i am getting the following error : checking for DEPENDENCIES... configure: error: Package requirements (libmokoui2 gconf-2.0) were not met:
May 14 12:25:44 <soundar> can any one tell me whats the work around
May 14 12:27:33 <liwei> thank for all,i install tangoGps software,but it seem to not work
May 14 12:27:53 <emdete> liwei: on a gta02?
May 14 12:28:02 <liwei> yes i am
May 14 12:28:15 <emdete> have u installed gpsd also?
May 14 12:28:32 <liwei> yes , i had opkg install gpsd
May 14 12:29:27 <liwei> how to check the gps have work?
May 14 12:29:46 <SpeedEvil> I put how to turn the GPS on in the wiki
May 14 12:29:49 <SpeedEvil> I forget where
May 14 12:29:59 <SpeedEvil> check GPS maybe 
May 14 12:33:08 <liwei> but in the tangoGps's configure should config gllin 
May 14 12:33:19 <liwei> so , i think i maybe need gllin
May 14 12:33:41 <emdete> liwei: you won't on a gta02
May 14 12:33:43 <XorA> gta02 doesnt need gllin
May 14 12:35:33 <liwei> SpeedEvil could you help me find that wiki teach how to use gps in gta02?
May 14 12:37:37 <XorA> liwei: echo 1 >/sys/bus/platform/drivers/neo1973-pm-gps/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron 
May 14 12:37:43 <XorA> liwei: cat /dev/ttySAC1
May 14 12:37:57 <XorA> liwei: ttySAC1 is gta02 gps
May 14 12:41:48 <liwei> yes , i can see some data
May 14 12:42:24 <liwei> that mean the gps is working?
May 14 12:42:54 <SpeedEvil> does the data look like $GPGGA....
May 14 12:42:59 <SpeedEvil> if so, yes
May 14 12:43:41 <liwei> $GPTXT, $GPZDA $GPZDA
May 14 12:43:57 <SpeedEvil> It outputs loads of those before it gets a posiiton
May 14 12:44:00 <SpeedEvil> are you outside?
May 14 12:44:20 <liwei>  i will try outside
May 14 12:44:21 <SpeedEvil> An invalid position looks like $GPGGA,235946.99,,,,,00,00,5.0,,M,0.0001999,M,0.0020199,*57
May 14 12:44:41 <SpeedEvil> A valid one looks like $GPGGA,065851.00,5613.022358,N,00306.725817,W,1,05,1.0,158.0,M,0.277000,M,-0.010
May 14 12:44:41 <SpeedEvil> 0515,*7C
May 14 12:45:17 <SpeedEvil> 56 degrees 13.022 minutes north
May 14 12:49:18 <XorA> liwei: we call this service S-GPS (SpeedEvil GPS) its even faster than AGPS :_)
May 14 13:28:18 <winux> i run "madplay 123.mp3" on my neo1973,but failed with "audio: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy",any one can help me ?
May 14 13:29:21 <dcordes> maybe the device is busy
May 14 13:29:38 <dcordes> kill X :)
May 14 13:29:59 <winux> kill whole X ? oh!!!
May 14 13:30:40 <Weiss> winux: lsof can probably tell you what's using it
May 14 13:31:45 <winux> yes, i try it ,but return none 
May 14 13:32:11 <dcordes> Weiss: what exact lsof would you pass?
May 14 13:32:21 <winux> lsof /dev/dsp
May 14 13:32:29 <dcordes> I was asking myself that question when I tried to find out what on my desktop is in posession of my sound device
May 14 13:33:10 <Weiss> dcordes: actually i'm not 100% sure of the use of lsof (hence 'probably')... in the past i've done lsof | grep whatever for this kind of thing
May 14 13:33:43 <dcordes> hm lsof /dev/dsp on my desktop is empty
May 14 13:33:56 <dcordes> although I'm listening to finest radio
May 14 13:34:13 <XorA> winux: pulse audio is using the audio device on neo all the time
May 14 13:34:17 <mjr> be aware that dsp is a legacy api
May 14 13:34:56 <winux> so how can i play music using "madplay" at this time
May 14 13:35:59 <dcordes> I bet through pulse audio
May 14 13:36:19 <dcordes> http://www.pulseaudio.org/ interesting wasn't aware
May 14 13:37:35 <XorA> use gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location=Until\ It\ Sleeps\ \(Herman\ Melville\ Mix\).mp3  ! mad ! pulsesink
May 14 13:37:53 <dcordes> sounds mad
May 14 13:38:18 <dcordes> you guys should provide a small script with an extra device node or so
May 14 13:38:35 <XorA> there is the media player which has a nice gui :-)
May 14 13:38:50 <dcordes> I can't live w/o mplayer *.mp3 on my handheld
May 14 13:39:03 <XorA> mplayer -ao pulse
May 14 13:39:08 <dcordes> ok
May 14 13:39:22 <XorA> although I never enabled that option :-)
May 14 13:39:44 <XorA> patches welcome
May 14 13:40:46 <dcordes> XorA: in the mplayer or pulse audio metadata?
May 14 13:41:08 <XorA> dcordes: in mplayer, if mplayer even has the patches applied by defaultr
May 14 13:41:13 <XorA> Ive never looked
May 14 13:42:24 <dcordes> XorA: ubuuntu has the -ao pulse
May 14 13:42:40 <XorA> dcordes: so you may need to steal some patches, but its do-able
May 14 13:42:45 <dcordes> MPlayer 1.0rc2-4.2.3 
May 14 13:43:19 * XorA needs a portable flac player
May 14 13:43:42 <dcordes> you work for om
May 14 13:44:04 <XorA> yes
May 14 13:44:06 <dcordes> you can't tell me you don't posses enough pda toys
May 14 13:44:20 <XorA> flac support seems to suck ass in linux
May 14 13:45:24 <dcordes> oh I see
May 14 13:45:33 <XorA> well flac support in stuff that makes nice pocket player anyway
May 14 13:45:46 <XorA> last I tried totally destroys n810 :-)
May 14 13:46:13 <dcordes> I don't own any flac audio files
May 14 13:46:25 <winux> also ,i compiled mplayer by mysele for my openmoko ,it dispaly the video,but also no audio,with the  message＂Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound.0,00＂
May 14 13:46:32 <XorA> sort of music I listen to fucks up under mp3
May 14 13:46:35 <dcordes> all digital music I bought over the last decade are mp3s
May 14 13:46:54 <XorA> winux: we told you, pulseaudio has audio device open
May 14 13:47:00 <dcordes> XorA: which is?
May 14 13:47:15 <XorA> dcordes: Nine Inch Nails and other industrial stuff
May 14 13:47:38 <dcordes> winux: can you try "mplayer -ao pulse nine_inch_nails*.mp3" ?
May 14 13:48:02 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1393 has been created by mdt(AT)emdete.de
May 14 13:48:03 <cdbot2> * * /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart doesn't work right
May 14 13:48:04 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1393
May 14 13:48:24 <dcordes> I like rap music
May 14 13:48:39 <dcordes> but also lots of other stuffs
May 14 13:48:53 <winux> dcordes,this is the error message "Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound."
May 14 13:49:03 <XorA> not opposed to a good bit of rap/hip hop, but sometimes its just not angry enough :-)
May 14 13:49:37 <dcordes> XorA: I hear some nice electro in those cases
May 14 13:49:58 <dcordes> s/hear/listen to/
May 14 13:49:58 <apt> dcordes meant: XorA: I listen to some nice electro in those cases
May 14 13:50:04 <XorA> OM drives us to need some speaker destruction
May 14 13:51:12 <winux> dcordes, i tried "mplayer -ao pulse xx.mp3" and  get the error message above
May 14 13:51:43 <dcordes> XorA: oh man that breaks my heart in pieces when I hear about all you employes suffering that hard
May 14 13:52:13 <dcordes> winux: doesn't it say no such*pulse*
May 14 13:52:40 <winux> no
May 14 13:54:52 <torpor> scaredy you there?
May 14 13:55:08 <torpor> anyone know how the new bluetooth keyboard thing is supposed to work?  do i have to enter a code?
May 14 13:55:50 <dcordes> XorA: I hope it will settle after om-gta02 will be out
May 14 13:56:01 <XorA> dcordes: nah, its just the way I work
May 14 13:56:12 <XorA> dcordes: I get driven insane, then realise Im being stupid
May 14 13:56:15 <ScaredyCat> holy crap! internet!!!
May 14 13:56:17 * ScaredyCat stabs kpn
May 14 13:56:25 <torpor> hey ScaredyCat i got your image installed today
May 14 13:56:30 <torpor> how do i use the BT control panel thingy?
May 14 13:56:37 <dcordes> XorA: I kno that sounds like the last 14 years of school behind me
May 14 13:56:38 <ScaredyCat> it's on the panel
May 14 13:56:42 <ScaredyCat> (bt button)
May 14 13:56:49 <torpor> but do i have to enter a code or pair the keyboard or something?
May 14 13:56:52 <winux> XorA,,is there any way to install the ipk package to my microsd card ,because the nand flash is full 
May 14 13:57:03 <ScaredyCat> no...
May 14 13:57:24 <ScaredyCat> just switch on you kb, set it in discoverable mode, and then scan
May 14 13:57:30 <torpor> i guess the problem i have now is that my macbook won't stop pairing with the bt keyboard .. so how do i stop it and then tell the neo to pick up the keyboard?
May 14 13:57:33 <torpor> ok
May 14 13:58:08 <ScaredyCat> put the macbook in repair mode
May 14 14:00:00 <liwei> i want to type "/" in gta02 terminal
May 14 14:00:17 <liwei> but i found there is no char "/"
May 14 14:00:25 <ScaredyCat> ** or someting
May 14 14:00:29 <ScaredyCat> 3 stars
May 14 14:00:30 <ScaredyCat> ?
May 14 14:00:50 <liwei> ***
May 14 14:01:27 <ScaredyCat> there's some magic combo for uppercase and other chars
May 14 14:02:02 <liwei> i want to type /dev/ttyS
May 14 14:02:20 <liwei> but i couldn't found char '/'
May 14 14:02:37 <torpor> okay scardy it says "connection with address blah:::: connected via bluetooth"  .. so .. ermm .. what next?
May 14 14:02:40 <torpor> terminal.
May 14 14:02:43 <liwei> i try to press key 1, but no '/'
May 14 14:02:56 <torpor> b ut that doesn't seem to work.
May 14 14:03:03 <ScaredyCat> or any field, type
May 14 14:03:12 <torpor> and my keyboard is still blinking - so is there a 'default' passphrase set for the bt stuff on your image?
May 14 14:03:29 <ScaredyCat> is it your kb
May 14 14:03:41 <ScaredyCat> that's waiting for a code?
May 14 14:03:52 <ScaredyCat> I don;t need to do any noncing about with mine..
May 14 14:04:04 <torpor> could be
May 14 14:04:07 <torpor> i suppose it is..
May 14 14:04:19 <ScaredyCat> just switch on, stick in discoverable mode and discover + connect
May 14 14:04:21 <ScaredyCat> that's it
May 14 14:05:18 <torpor> i have a feeling my keyboard is expecting a code ... 
May 14 14:06:37 <ScaredyCat> hrrm
May 14 14:07:05 <ScaredyCat> gimmie a little while... I've just got internet access after 2 days of none...
May 14 14:07:12 <torpor> ah!
May 14 14:07:26 <torpor> i've just got my openmoko repaired and working again and now i'm trying to catch up with what you've been doing .. ;)
May 14 14:08:13 <ScaredyCat> :)
May 14 14:08:31 <ScaredyCat> I've just had the longest 2 days ever 
May 14 14:09:04 <torpor> i think i for sure have to set a keyboard passcode
May 14 14:09:09 <torpor> so is there some way to do this with the panel?
May 14 14:09:58 <ScaredyCat> no.
May 14 14:10:10 <ScaredyCat> do you know what it wants (the code)
May 14 14:10:15 <torpor> nope
May 14 14:10:23 <Gottox> torpor: try 0000
May 14 14:10:24 <ScaredyCat> prolly 4 0's then
May 14 14:10:29 <torpor> about 6 months ago when i was doing this manually i had a passcode 0000 but that doesn't work then.
May 14 14:11:27 <torpor> the weird thing is the neo says its connected .. 
May 14 14:25:31 <spydon> two days left...
May 14 14:25:38 <torpor> until?
May 14 14:25:48 <spydon> massproduction starts...
May 14 14:25:48 <dcordes> until one year before the big om-gta02 release
May 14 14:56:12 <torpor> anyne know where to get ajzaurususb for leopard?
May 14 15:03:42 <Nash33> bonjour
May 14 15:04:15 <Nash33> voila j'essai d'installer un portail captif Wifidog + Serveur d'auth
May 14 15:04:36 <Nash33> est ce que quelqu'un peut m'aider?
May 14 15:04:38 <Ganneff> try again in english.
May 14 15:04:53 <ScaredyCat> je susi un rock star
May 14 15:04:56 <ScaredyCat> gah
May 14 15:05:02 <ScaredyCat> je suis un rock star
May 14 15:05:12 <ScaredyCat> je habite la
May 14 15:05:19 <Nash33> I don't speak good english
May 14 15:05:32 <ScaredyCat> I don;t speak good french :)
May 14 15:05:53 <ScaredyCat> you want to install captive portal
May 14 15:05:54 <ScaredyCat> ?
May 14 15:06:36 <Nash33> yes
May 14 15:06:48 <ScaredyCat> on your neo?
May 14 15:07:23 <Nash33> firmware Kamikaze on Linksys WRT54GL
May 14 15:09:06 <Nash33> you know this?
May 14 15:21:31 <exco_> if my openmoko hangs on touchscreen calibration on first boot (touchscreen is working! - tested using ts_calibrate through ssh) what might be the problem?
May 14 15:22:21 <SpeedEvil> has it ever worked?
May 14 15:22:53 <exco> not this new built one, SpeedEvil
May 14 15:23:59 <SpeedEvil> I mean - has your phone ever worked. It is a neo1973?
May 14 15:24:15 <SpeedEvil> If so - have you ever upgrade uboot?
May 14 15:24:45 <exco> my phone is working with an image I found (from Dec 07) and I'm trying to build a new one - the phone is a HTC Magician
May 14 15:25:14 <exco> the new built kernel and modules work with the older image, so that doesn't seem to be the problem
May 14 15:25:36 <SpeedEvil> Sorry - I've no real idea. I assume you can't ssh in?
May 14 15:25:47 <exco> yes
May 14 15:27:04 <exco> btw why are there two different touchscreen calibrations? (one has a white background and blue cross to press, the other one (ts_calibrate) )
May 14 15:39:44 <Qwell> so, when I'm in the terminal app, is there some magic way of tabbing or using "special" chars, like /?
May 14 15:50:25 <xkr47> ctrl-pgup/pgdn ? :)
May 14 15:50:35 <xkr47> or maybe alt-
May 14 15:50:38 <xkr47> or ctrl-tab
May 14 15:53:32 <data_jepp> any updates on freerunner?
May 14 15:57:47 <Blastur> it will release at some time.
May 14 15:57:52 <daMaestro> lol
May 14 16:00:04 <dcordes> it's getting hard to crack jokes about the release dates
May 14 16:00:17 <Qwell> xkr47: and where are these keys? :p
May 14 16:00:31 <Qwell> dcordes: it'll be released shortly after Duke Nuken Forever?
May 14 16:00:35 <xkr47> pop-up keyboard? :)
May 14 16:00:44 <Qwell> freerunner has a popup keyboard? :p
May 14 16:00:53 <xkr47> osd
May 14 16:01:02 <dcordes> Qwell: no immedeately after the new dr. dre album release
May 14 16:01:09 <Qwell> yeah, that's what I'm asking - how do I change the keyboard that comes up?
May 14 16:01:31 <dcordes> there is matchbox-keyboard
May 14 16:02:33 <Blastur> has the price for the freerunner been finalized yet?
May 14 16:02:50 <data_jepp> 399?
May 14 16:04:03 <Blastur> you don't sound too sure
May 14 16:04:18 <Blastur> i'd rather hear it from someone who isn't guessing
May 14 16:06:58 <data_jepp> i read it in there site...
May 14 16:09:25 <Qwell> $399 is the price Steve from OpenMoko has been throwing around.  It's all-but-official, I believe
May 14 16:12:03 <Blastur> silly, i thought all those price optimization would actually lower the price? :) wasn't the inital listing somewhere closer to $350? back in 2007..
May 14 16:12:10 <Blastur> for gta02/freerunner
May 14 16:12:17 <Blastur> (without dev-board)
May 14 16:13:16 <Qwell> imo, the pointer thingie in the box is maybe a bit overkill
May 14 16:13:24 <Qwell> and the whole multiple adapters thing
May 14 16:14:20 <mmontour> Blastur: for a while the expected price was $450, $600 for an advanced kit. I never saw a $350 estimate
May 14 16:15:57 <SpeedEvil> Qwell: pointer is probably $1.50 in quantity
May 14 16:16:13 <Qwell> still
May 14 16:16:21 <SpeedEvil> I don't think it's multiple adaptors as I understnad it.
May 14 16:16:31 <SpeedEvil> It's one adaptor with the appropriate mains plug on it.
May 14 16:17:55 <Qwell> it's one usb cable, and there are 2-3 (I didn't actually look hard) "adapters" that slide onto it for different regions
May 14 16:18:06 <Qwell> it's a cool design, but...
May 14 16:21:37 <SpeedEvil> The adaptors are simply bits of plastic and metal.
May 14 16:21:45 <SpeedEvil> That plug into one AC adaptor
May 14 16:21:50 <Qwell> so is the freerunner
May 14 16:22:05 <SpeedEvil> I mean - they have no components in, and are very cheap in volume.
May 14 16:24:16 <exco> if /dev/input/event1 (touchscreen) gives wrong output - what might be the cause?
May 14 16:24:30 <SpeedEvil> miscalibration
May 14 16:24:36 <Qwell> SpeedEvil: cheap adds up, is all I'm saying
May 14 16:24:41 <SpeedEvil> Or incorrect kernel driver
May 14 16:24:57 <SpeedEvil> Qwell: I totally agree. But an AC adaptor is not an insane thing to put in the box.
May 14 16:24:58 <Qwell> (and obviously, this isn't the place for people (me) to be bringing up comments like this)
May 14 16:25:20 <Qwell> SpeedEvil: 4 of them though.  and no, it's not insane, maybe just...not entirely necessary
May 14 16:25:29 <SpeedEvil> It's not 4 adaptors
May 14 16:25:40 <Qwell> okay, it's one "adapter", but 4 parts to it
May 14 16:25:44 <SpeedEvil> It's one adaptor, and 3 bits of plastic/metal that plug into them.
May 14 16:26:21 <SpeedEvil> I would be surprised if the cost greatly exceeded $5.
May 14 16:26:50 <Qwell> $5 per box, plus shipping weight (that pointer is *heavy*)
May 14 16:27:29 <exco> SpeedEvil: it shouldn't give any output if the screen doesn't get touched?
May 14 16:28:52 <data_jepp> I will probably buy 10 phones if i get enough people, what is shipping then? And were will they ship from?
May 14 16:30:33 * mwester thinks that this discussion of pointers, adaptors, and shipping costs may be moot, as it presupposes that there's anything to ship in the first place! ;) :D
May 14 16:31:22 <Qwell> the freerunner exists!  I've seen it! :)
May 14 16:31:35 <balrog-kun> it's safe to assume that the shipping will work and won't be extremely expensive
May 14 16:31:38 <balrog-kun> it worked last time
May 14 16:32:06 <mwester> Qwell:  I've seen photos of alien spaceships, too!!
May 14 16:32:09 <Sup3rkiddo> hmm...shipping here was as expensive as a mid-end phone
May 14 16:32:14 <mmontour> It was expensive last time (specifically the UPS brokerage fees)
May 14 16:32:15 <Qwell> photos hell.
May 14 16:32:28 <zedstar_> have u touched an alien spaceship tho!
May 14 16:32:40 <balrog-kun> oh
May 14 16:32:43 <balrog-kun> Sup3rkiddo: sorry to hear that
May 14 16:33:30 <mwester> I'm just saying that perhaps we should let OM have a chance to get closer to actual product sales (they're not even accepting orders yet) before we get overly concerned about shipping and packaging details.
May 14 16:33:57 <Qwell> mwester: sure, can't argue with that
May 14 16:35:34 <zedstar_> alas then it will be "when is gta04 coming out" ;) 
May 14 16:35:52 <SpeedEvil> Friday.
May 14 16:36:32 <Blastur> thats original SpeedEvil, just spewing random weeknames ! .. 
May 14 16:36:44 <data_jepp> But the price will be 369$ if you buy more then ten phones?
May 14 16:41:02 <exco> is /dev/input/event1 supposed to give output if you don't touch the screen?
May 14 17:31:16 <Lintus> "Basic PDA included. Software can be created by normal users." So, software might not be ready for basic users, but it can be easily created
May 14 17:41:12 <idarwin> Qwell: "Cheap adds up". Other companies e.g., RIM/Blackberry do the same. It is in fact cheaper for them to throw in the extra AC-adapter slip-ons than to stock three or four different adapaters - that would mean every shipment you have to stop and think "Is this customer getting the correct adapter?"  As a BONUS, you can charge your FreeRunner when you travel to different parts of the world (assuming the cost of fuel allows this when FreeRunner ships, of
May 14 17:42:21 <abraxa_> Lintus: Where did that quote come from?
May 14 17:43:03 <Lintus> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison
May 14 17:43:08 <Lintus> Scroll down for 'Software'
May 14 17:44:35 <abraxa_> Thanks
May 14 17:45:49 <Lintus> Your welcome.
May 14 18:44:09 <mwester> "Software can be created by normal users"  ! Wow.  All the software developers I know can hardly be considered "normal" ;) :D :D
May 14 18:45:27 <woglinde> *g*
May 14 18:49:44 <mmontour> ~fish monotone.openmoko.org
May 14 18:49:45 * apt slaps monotone.openmoko.org around with a large trout
May 14 19:17:55 <tushyd> so if we have mass production by the 16th, when are we expecting sales to begin?
May 14 19:20:37 <balrog-kun> sales on e-bay probably around 14th :p
May 14 19:21:27 <balrog-kun> they said it's not sure that these mass-produced since 16th units will be sold at all
May 14 19:22:03 <balrog-kun> pending the result of testing
May 14 19:23:24 <CVirus> my friend working at nokia thinks that OM is a competitor ... LOL
May 14 19:24:09 <tushyd> balrog-kun: so it's just a test run?
May 14 19:25:12 <balrog-kun> yeah, but if it works out they will start selling directly
May 14 19:25:13 <balrog-kun> afaiu
May 14 19:26:47 <tushyd> ah, i see. 
May 14 19:26:53 <tushyd> well i'm crossing my fingers
May 14 19:32:00 <CVirus> it will work out ffs
May 14 19:36:13 <tushyd> i think i'm going to sell my p1i so I can pay for the freerunner. Anyone care to buy it? :)
May 14 19:40:11 <[Darktears]> cyrilRomain: ooohhh an inscapers
May 14 19:40:55 <cyrilRomain> [Darktears]: hehe
May 14 20:15:09 <spydon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxlrLuQ3M6U - LF Interview with Sean Moss-Pultz of OpenMoko
May 14 20:21:31 <Lintus> Hmm, damn he is talking fast
May 14 20:21:34 <Lintus> What's wrong with that video :D
May 14 20:23:34 <abraxa__> Yeah, it's broken :
May 14 20:23:35 <abraxa__> :(
May 14 20:50:00 <balrog-kun> did someone figure out the switches to give to mplayer to view it at the right speed?
May 14 21:02:36 <data_jepp> Sms, phonebook and dailing will work perfect without tweaking right? Im guessing yes here, since they said it would ship with basic phonefunctions
May 14 21:02:55 <mjr> you don't want it yet
May 14 21:04:01 <data_jepp> They must have learnt something from Neo? Im ffs, it shouldnt be to much to expect!
May 14 21:05:50 <data_jepp> Openmoko cant be at like a alpha version, and the default image will have to work. Im trying to round up people for a group sale, they keep asking me questions. 
May 14 21:06:03 <mjr> you don't want it yet
May 14 21:06:21 <Lintus> mjr: Why not
May 14 21:06:25 <kdean06> The software may change radically... What is out right now is very much "alpha".
May 14 21:07:05 <Lintus> Software: Basic PDA included. Software can be created by normal users.
May 14 21:07:05 <mjr> Lintus, because wanting something to be "perfect" on OM is currently a pretty unrealistic demand
May 14 21:07:15 <kdean06> data_jepp, If you're looking for a bug free replacement for a basic phone, I'd suggest buying a basic phone on eBay. Stable basic functionality is expected in September of 2008.
May 14 21:07:34 <zash> mjr: will anything ever be perfect?
May 14 21:07:53 <Lintus> I would ask that, too
May 14 21:07:54 <mjr> yes, but not many things
May 14 21:08:12 <kdean06> If you're interested in ADDING to that functionality, hop in. :) I use my Neo as a basic phone and podcast player and I'm not too upset though I get nervous thinking about stability if I got in a car accident and needed to call an ambulance. :P
May 14 21:08:29 <mjr> aside from nitpicking about perfection, would you recommend current OM to people who use that word in their expectations?
May 14 21:35:53 <mmontour> My 'bitbake opkg' is failing: make[1]: *** No rule to make target `opkg-key.o', needed by `opkg-key'.  Stop. 
May 14 22:03:23 <matt444> does Openmoko work with edge?
May 14 22:03:31 <SpeedEvil> Yes - however.
May 14 22:03:36 <SpeedEvil> Openmoko is the OS.
May 14 22:03:38 <zeno_> how many USB slots does freerunner have?
May 14 22:03:48 <SpeedEvil> The hardware - freerunner - will not have EDGE. 1
May 14 22:03:58 <matt444> ohh
May 14 22:04:00 <matt444> wow
May 14 22:04:06 <matt444> that's a bummer
May 14 22:04:17 <SpeedEvil> Zenton: 1 
May 14 22:04:27 <zeno_> ah ok thx
May 14 22:05:12 <zeno_> ill probly get a hardware mini-keyboard and/or a flaash HD
May 14 22:05:32 <SpeedEvil> 8G microSDs are almost/are available
May 14 22:05:41 <SpeedEvil> 4G are widely available.
May 14 22:06:01 <matt444> has to be sdhc though
May 14 22:06:47 <SpeedEvil> I got a 4G microSD for only 13 quid.
May 14 22:07:15 <woglinde> haha I got 512mb sd mini for 3 euros
May 14 22:07:35 <SpeedEvil> The prices are really dropping.
May 14 22:07:42 <matt444> i got a 6gb for 90 dollars
May 14 22:07:59 <kdean06> I got two 1 GB cards for free since Best Buy shipped me the wrong item and didn't wanna pay to have them shipped back to me.
May 14 22:08:03 <kdean06> er... them.
May 14 22:08:48 <zeno_> SpeedEvil: ah ok ill probably grab a couple 8gb microSDHCs then, ill be using as an mp3 player too
May 14 22:10:35 <CVirus> LOL
May 14 22:11:06 <SpeedEvil> The crappy SIM/SDHC hyper-fiddly socket is the same on GTA02?
May 14 22:13:21 <CVirus> I can't wait any longer
May 14 22:13:25 <CVirus> come onnn
May 14 22:13:46 <CVirus> my stupid old nokia 6600 now vibrates when i shake it
May 14 22:13:47 <CVirus> hehe
May 14 22:14:47 * CVirus is gone to bed
May 14 22:16:31 * SpeedEvil passes CVirus the hot-glue.
May 14 23:46:46 <SpeedEvil> For any of you using the EEEPC and SSH - the stock OS has the openssh oops as it's debian derived.
May 14 23:47:02 <dwmw2_gone> epic debian fail
May 14 23:47:40 <ewon> lawl
May 14 23:47:52 <ewon> man I had to rekey so many servers ;_;
May 14 23:48:05 <abraxa__> I wonder who introduced it to their build
May 14 23:48:16 <abraxa__> The guy must be so ashamed now, lol
May 14 23:48:24 <ewon> pretty epically retarded mistake
May 14 23:48:34 <ewon> this is why vendors shouldn't patch
May 14 23:49:22 <SpeedEvil> http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/cache/papers/cs/30688/http:zSzzSzwww.dfki.uni-kl.dezSz~millerzSzpublicationszSzmiller02.pdf/miller99why.pdf :)
May 14 23:49:26 <SpeedEvil> (off-topic)
May 14 23:49:44 <abraxa__> What is that about, SpeedEvil?
May 14 23:49:50 * mmontour is glad that his Neo is using strong SSH keys when allowing its password-less root login :)
May 14 23:50:13 <SpeedEvil> Rubbish - proof of why the author will never have a girlfriend.
May 14 23:51:16 <abraxa__> oh hehe
May 15 00:21:43 <egn> hey, I was wondering if this feature can be implimented with the OpenMoko platform: 'emergency' away states, ie. I put on an away message "hey, I'm sleeping, if it's an emergency, press 5", if they press 5, the phone rings, otherwise it sends them to voicemail
May 15 00:22:21 <SpeedEvil> yes
May 15 00:22:35 <SpeedEvil> mentioned in the wiki
May 15 00:22:47 <SpeedEvil> When anyone will implement it...
May 15 00:24:14 <egn> SpeedEvil: k, what's it under?
May 15 00:24:46 <SpeedEvil> Dunno.
May 15 00:24:57 <SpeedEvil> Category:Calling_Features ?
May 15 00:25:15 <egn> alright, thanks
May 15 00:26:29 <abraxa__> egn: The wiki page is named Wishlist, just fyi
May 15 00:30:06 <mmontour> egn: A similar but easier-to-implement method would be to let the first call go to voicemail but to note the caller ID, then if you get a second call from that same ID within a time window (e.g. 5 minutes) then ring the Neo.
May 15 00:34:53 <egn> mmontour: alright, what's the harder part about the original method?
May 15 00:36:39 <mmontour> I think you would have to answer the call to tell whether or not they had pressed 5, and if not I don't know if you could send the call to your carrier's voicemail (so you'd have to have the voicemail itself done on the Neo). However I haven't worked with GSM in any detail so this may not be correct.
May 15 00:37:08 <liwei> anyone use GPS in gta02?
May 15 00:38:00 <egn> mmontour: alright, thanks for the input
May 15 00:40:41 <abraxa__> liwei: Not many people here even have one :)
May 15 00:41:13 <liwei> SpeedEvil should know it
May 15 00:41:53 <liwei> i know he made S-GPS 
May 15 00:46:27 <egn> what's the voicemail status on the OpenMoko itself?
May 15 01:00:06 <SpeedEvil> Not
May 15 01:00:20 <SpeedEvil> liwei: in a very limited manner
May 15 01:01:19 <SpeedEvil> egn: Much outside the core functionality is unimplemented.
May 15 01:01:33 <SpeedEvil> egn: Much inside the core functionality is unimplemented.
May 15 01:01:36 <SpeedEvil> (though a bit less)
May 15 01:05:37 <egn> SpeedEvil: hah alright
May 15 01:33:34 <mmontour> egn: there is an Openmoko port of Asterisk so you might be able use that for voicemail. I haven't tried it. 
May 15 01:36:27 <egn> mmontour: hm alright
May 15 01:37:12 <liwei> speedEvil here?
May 15 01:40:21 <liwei> i need SpeedEvil to help me?
May 15 01:42:46 <SpeedEvil> yes
May 15 01:44:40 <liwei> http://www.tangogps.org/gps/articles/7-Installation.html
May 15 01:45:09 <rarsa> Hi. what is the status of OpenMoko? I've been going to the web site for about a year and it's always "about to be released"
May 15 01:46:06 <liwei> i am very happy for SpeedEvil coming
May 15 01:46:18 <rarsa> The news were quite static up until march this year but again no announcements, just some media buzz
May 15 01:46:55 <liwei> i use tangoGPS,but if no gllin , i can use it?
May 15 01:47:49 <SpeedEvil> liwei: no
May 15 01:47:58 <liwei> SpeedEvil , yesterday , you told me to cat /dev/ttySAC1 outside, i think it maybe work
May 15 01:48:05 <SpeedEvil> li oh
May 15 01:48:10 <SpeedEvil> I forgot you had GTA02
May 15 01:48:16 <liwei> but i can't see anything in tanggoGPS
May 15 01:48:18 <SpeedEvil> You need to configure gpsd
May 15 01:48:32 <SpeedEvil> to read from that serial port
May 15 01:48:43 <SpeedEvil> rarsa: with luck - end of the monthish
May 15 01:48:52 <SpeedEvil> rarsa: production is supposed to be happening now
May 15 01:49:26 <rarsa> When will the group shippings start?
May 15 01:49:48 <SpeedEvil> rarsa: I'd not expect it mid next month at the absolute earliest.
May 15 01:50:19 <SpeedEvil> ^till
May 15 01:50:46 <rarsa> thanks
May 15 01:51:44 <liwei> SpeedEvil how to config gpsd? is there a wiki to teach it ?
May 15 01:51:45 <rarsa> Do you know if it will be supported by canadian carriers? is there a link of carriers it works with?
May 15 01:53:37 <mmontour> rarsa: it will work with Rogers and Fido
May 15 01:54:06 <rarsa> Thank you
May 15 01:55:32 <SpeedEvil> rarsa: any GSM carrier
May 15 01:56:13 <rarsa> How reliable are the calls? at the few presentations I've been (conferences) they said it was a "work in progress" but would be stable when released. Is that the expectation?
May 15 01:56:35 <rarsa> Oh, the other low point was battery life. is that still the case?
May 15 01:57:07 <rarsa> (just FYI... I don't own a cell phone, I've never had or seen the need for one, but I waant my first to be a neo)
May 15 01:57:20 <SpeedEvil> It's a work in progress.
May 15 01:57:33 <SpeedEvil> It's not going to be consumer ready when it's released.
May 15 01:57:44 <SpeedEvil> It should usually make/recieve calls and SMSs
May 15 01:57:50 <liwei> SpeedEvil help me please when you have spare time
May 15 01:58:05 <SpeedEvil> liwei: I don't know how to configure gpsd.
May 15 01:58:32 <SpeedEvil> http://gpsd.berlios.de/ is the webpage.
May 15 01:58:44 <SpeedEvil> You need to set it up for a serial GPS on TTYSAC1 
May 15 01:59:00 <SpeedEvil> after turnbing the GPS on.
May 15 01:59:23 <liwei> do you use it in gta02?
May 15 01:59:31 <SpeedEvil> Id on't have one.
May 15 01:59:41 <SpeedEvil> Or I'd bother setting it up and posting to wiki
May 15 02:00:46 <mmontour> rarsa: We're all hoping/expecting that the Freerunner will have acceptable battery life. 
May 15 02:01:18 <liwei> thank you very much , i go to check that gpsd web , maybe have information
May 15 02:01:27 <mmontour> My main concern is audio quality - my GTA01 has a loud echo, and I have not seen anything to reassure me that GTA02 will be any better
May 15 02:01:34 <rarsa> Is that a HW or SW "condition" ? (the battery and the call quality)?
May 15 02:01:47 <mmontour> HW and SW
May 15 02:02:07 <rarsa> I mean, do you know if I buy one, the problems will be solved with SW upgrades?
May 15 02:02:28 <rarsa> or will it be the same case as with the 1973? Experimental for developers?
May 15 02:03:59 <mmontour> My personal opinion is that Freerunner will ship with some unresolved hardware bugs that will affect its use as a "normal" phone. I'd love to be proved wrong.
May 15 02:04:38 <SpeedEvil> mmontour: any specific bugs you have in mind?
May 15 02:06:56 <mmontour> Audio echo is the main one. Also, mailing list posts like this one worry me: (...searching for link)
May 15 02:07:46 <mmontour> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-May/002741.html
May 15 02:09:22 <SpeedEvil> I am irritated by the lack of schematics.
May 15 02:09:48 <mmontour> mwester's investigation of GSM flow control issues is another area to watch closely
May 15 02:09:52 * mwester suspects that insuffient user-space development with the neo1973 will permit some as-yet-unidentified hardware/firmware issues to slip through.
May 15 02:10:23 <SpeedEvil> Yeah :/
May 15 02:10:33 <SpeedEvil> And the lack of eyes on schematics.
May 15 02:10:42 <SpeedEvil> s/cs/cs son't help/
May 15 02:10:43 <apt> SpeedEvil meant: And the lack of eyes on schematics son't help.
May 15 02:10:44 <mwester> I am troubled by the seeming assumption, without any obvious justification, that all is well with the GSM. :(
May 15 02:11:24 <mwester> Jeorg (sp?) seems to have been a valuable addition to the team as it relates to the schematics!
May 15 02:11:50 <SpeedEvil> ket: don't
May 15 02:11:52 <SpeedEvil> oops
May 15 02:13:24 <rarsa> well, thank you for the information
May 15 02:36:15 <liwei> how to install a soft keyboard
May 15 02:37:39 <liwei> i don't want to use default keyboard
May 15 02:55:09 <liwei> when i use opkg update ,what does mean "Signature check failed"?
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