**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 20 02:59:56 2008 May 20 03:00:06 mwester: I like your nspy. Works well. Now to suspend. May 20 03:08:05 mwester: When I have the usb cable plugged in and the phone suspends, I get the white screen of death. May 20 03:08:45 I added my GTA02-to-GTA01 jffs conversion instructions to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image May 20 03:18:01 mmontour, testing them now May 20 03:22:45 mmontour: Thanks! that's really good info. May 20 03:33:22 mmontour, still need to test the results, you might add some information on how to undo what we've done (mainly unmount and clearing /dev/mtdblock0 /dev/mtd0) May 20 03:37:02 daMaestro: I added the cleanup steps (although I think people would've figured it out). May 20 03:37:55 mmontour, yes; but we want the lowest barrier to entry as possible ;-) May 20 03:38:14 gah.. now i have to wait for the device to charge enough to boot May 20 03:39:21 * loufoque wonders if the freerunner will be out by christmas, and if the price will drop May 20 03:39:32 To that girl you missed. May 20 03:39:34 oops May 20 03:40:08 rootPassword May 20 04:07:18 hi all May 20 04:07:48 hey May 20 04:07:54 I'm so psyched about the (hopefully) impending release of the freerunner that I decided to install qemu and try it out with the neo1973 setup May 20 04:08:03 it looks pretty sweet May 20 04:08:23 i have been building that for a few days haha May 20 04:08:27 quemu is slwoer than the hardware. May 20 04:08:34 but my understanding is that the newer stuff changes a lot... what with all the discussion on the mailing list about GTK and qtopia May 20 04:08:55 yeah, qemu had better be slower than the hardware... it took about 15 mins to boot up, over 1 min to go into the calendar app May 20 04:09:27 so how "real" is the qemu experience? May 20 04:09:37 both looks/software and speed May 20 04:09:45 looks/software are identical May 20 04:09:56 speed - maybe 1/10th - it depends on your hardware May 20 04:10:15 I have an athlon 3000+ w/ 1gb ram May 20 04:10:20 is there some way to check what equivalent speed qemu is running at? May 20 04:10:23 it's about 3 years old... May 20 04:10:58 so is the only way to get to the home screen from inside an app to click on the top right and select it off the list? May 20 04:11:04 and do other things than just home ever show up on that list? May 20 04:11:35 that lists active applications May 20 04:12:33 so I take it that by switching back to home, I am closing the application I was in? I would have expected it to keep it running so it would switch faster next time rather than restarting it May 20 04:13:01 no - you're not May 20 04:14:02 hmm... well, the dialer stayed on the menu, but the calendar thing didn't May 20 04:14:30 omg, i'm booting om for the first time in qemu May 20 04:15:13 i thought it would take ages to compile May 20 04:15:17 10 mins May 20 04:16:07 heh... mine took like half an hour May 20 04:16:50 are there any plans to add tooltips? May 20 04:17:01 or some kind of help? I'm having trouble navigating this thing, not having seen it before... May 20 04:17:28 I suppose it would need to be a tooltip that popped up when you held the stylus down for a second or so, since there's no cursor for a mouseover... May 20 04:19:19 :) i think its taking more time for first boot under qemu than to build the image May 20 04:19:26 there, ready May 20 04:19:41 you guys rock May 20 04:20:10 it doesn't look quite like the mockups on the wiki, but it's really great May 20 04:20:19 its not great May 20 04:20:21 I'll buy one the instant they're available May 20 04:20:23 its awesome May 20 04:24:53 who has succeed in distributed cross compile openmoko ? May 20 04:24:57 it's somewhat unfortunate that the font size for numbers in the dialer has to resize in order to fit a standard US phone number (which has fewer digits than european, IIRC...) May 20 04:27:06 Yanroy: standard? May 20 04:27:26 ? May 20 04:29:03 "standard US phone number" ? May 20 04:29:11 10 digits May 20 04:31:17 including all regional codes and such? May 20 04:31:24 yeah May 20 04:31:51 hm May 20 04:31:58 sometimes ppl put a 1 in front, making it 11 digits, but that's not required by any cell service I've ever had May 20 04:32:36 and if your number is from a place with a really small population so they only need one area code, they might permit you to drop the first 3 digits, leaving only 7 (unless dialing long distance) May 20 04:33:38 in .se it is like (+46|0)(\d{1,3})\d{5,6} May 20 04:33:41 or something May 20 04:34:58 hmm... May 20 04:35:09 that's quite a range May 20 04:35:43 regional codes is 1-3 digits May 20 04:36:02 how would you tell the difference between a number with 2 digits in the middle piece and 5 in the end or 1 in the middle and 6 in the end? May 20 04:36:14 you don't May 20 04:36:18 oh May 20 04:36:19 lol May 20 04:36:53 i read som specs on swedish phone numbers, it was a mess May 20 04:37:10 wow May 20 04:37:43 so how do I pull up a shell in qemu? May 20 04:37:53 it's not on the utilities menu, which is where I'd expect it... May 20 04:38:20 hm, 5-8 digits in the local part May 20 04:39:10 lol May 20 04:39:29 errr May 20 04:39:37 how do i exit kobo? May 20 04:40:12 ah, I found Terminal on the list of all programs May 20 04:40:21 got it May 20 04:40:24 d3vice: kobo? May 20 04:40:36 kobodeluxe, fast pace 2d space shooter May 20 04:40:40 ooh... I'm running as root... naughty naughty May 20 04:40:43 works great even under qemu May 20 04:40:48 does OM always make the user run as root? May 20 04:40:55 Yanroy: theres only root May 20 04:41:02 hmm May 20 04:41:04 Yanroy: yepp :( May 20 04:41:07 what about security? May 20 04:41:07 no users concept May 20 04:41:12 ... it's linux May 20 04:41:17 it's fundamentally a multiuser OS May 20 04:41:21 what about memory footprint, resources? May 20 04:41:32 can it run sshd? May 20 04:41:35 sure May 20 04:41:45 then it needs a concept of users, right? May 20 04:41:47 its linux... May 20 04:44:28 whereis scummvm ? :) May 20 04:44:45 how do I get a qwerty keyboard? the wiki docs on the input method just mention it exists, not how to make it come up... May 20 04:45:36 Yanroy: enter a textfield May 20 04:45:52 s/enter/give focus to/ May 20 04:45:52 zash meant: Yanroy: give focus to a textfield May 20 04:45:54 I'm in the terminal, but it's giving me a dialing type pad May 20 04:46:07 lol wut? May 20 04:46:11 same as it did when I tried to make a text message May 20 04:46:21 I can type letters by clicking the buttons multiple times... May 20 04:47:00 come to think of it, shell commands do look a lot like text message abbreviations... it might not be that bad May 20 04:47:02 ah, that one May 20 04:49:00 great work people May 20 04:49:10 oh well, I can't figure it out... this thing is still probably the coolest thing I've seen in years May 20 04:49:37 keep up the good work :) once I get my hands on one, I'll try to do a little dev work myself May 20 04:49:41 * zash reads /. feed May 20 04:49:52 * zash sees May 20 04:49:52 * zash sees Total Phone and Email Database Proposed In UK May 20 04:50:02 not surprised May 20 04:50:09 ouch! May 20 04:50:12 the UK is living in the police state of 1984 May 20 04:50:24 and the US is only about 3-5 years behind... May 20 04:50:41 yeah, but the chinese beat everyone else in cctv May 20 04:50:48 * Yanroy wonders if he can get service for his openmoko on an island in the middle of the ocean May 20 04:51:00 and dont forget the great (fire)wall of china May 20 04:51:03 heres something for you. to interview for a job at the FSF, i have to dial into a conference call. my openmoko dosent dial numbers while i'm talking. therefore, i'm going to have to use a non-free phone to interview for a job at the FSF. May 20 04:51:05 small, deserted island May 20 04:51:18 huh? May 20 04:51:30 what do you mean it doesn't dial while talking? May 20 04:51:30 i'm not even sure where to file that. "irony" dosent even begin to describe it. May 20 04:51:31 juri_: file a bug!!! May 20 04:51:39 hm, wheres my list of countries that dont suck May 20 04:51:57 maybe after my interview. :P May 20 04:52:01 -rw-r----- 1 zash zash 0 2008-05-20 06:51 countries_that_dont_suck May 20 04:52:04 oh :( May 20 04:52:07 rofl May 20 04:52:25 i mean, wow. May 20 04:52:41 i'm sure somewhere, god is playing a cruel joke on me. :) May 20 04:52:45 juri_: that's a great RFE ! May 20 04:52:49 there are always countries that just don't care... like if you live in the middle of a desert or jungle in an impoverished country undergoing a revolution May 20 04:53:13 request for employment? :P May 20 04:53:19 so far, new zealand seems to be the best May 20 04:53:33 juri_: if it can't dial while talking (by which I assume you mean on a call), then how can anyone ever dial into their voicemail, or a phone menu system like any company has? May 20 04:53:34 :) request for enhancement (when filling a bug) May 20 04:53:56 yanroy: i don't know. May 20 04:54:08 * Yanroy knows it can access voicemail cuz ppl talk about it on the mailing list May 20 04:54:15 i've been having to re-arange how i use a phone to avoid voice menus, and cannot check my voicemail. May 20 04:54:27 ouch May 20 04:54:42 that's messed up... are you sure one of the buttons on the call screen doesn't go back to the dialer w/o hanging up? May 20 04:54:56 wait, not every country uses DTMF, right? May 20 04:54:57 oh, you can go to the dialer. and press numbers. nothing *happens*. May 20 04:55:01 i thought i saw something about DTMF May 20 04:55:08 so it might need to generate different tones for different regions... May 20 04:55:09 while reading the wiki May 20 04:55:20 juri_: use the cli ;) May 20 04:55:26 Yanroy: i thought there was only one DTMF May 20 04:55:32 or like, whisstle May 20 04:55:49 zash: you'll need 2 ppl to whistle to make ti work ;) May 20 04:55:54 i just thought i'd share that gemstone. ;P May 20 04:56:04 juri_: indeed, a gemstone May 20 04:56:07 juri_: I'll fix that myself if it isn't fixed by the time I get my freerunner May 20 04:56:27 haha yeah just learn how to whistle the DTMF tones with your friend May 20 04:56:34 here i am, interviewing for the FSF... and to do it, i need to whip out my proprietary phone. May 20 04:56:56 its like taking your brain to a cheesegrater. May 20 04:57:09 good night all... time for me to hit the hay May 20 04:57:16 later Yanroy May 20 05:00:34 juri_: sending DTMF tones during a call works for me. May 20 05:01:21 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM02.07#1.15_Dual_Tone_Multi_Frequency_function_.28DTMF.29 May 20 05:01:41 apparently DTMF functionality is required.. so that should be checked May 20 05:01:58 mmontour: how are you accomplishing that? May 20 05:02:21 uhm, thats a gsm02 page. i've got a neo1973. May 20 05:02:34 uh? May 20 05:02:59 oh yeah i didnt think about that May 20 05:03:17 i'm looking at it anyways. i'll try it out here in a sec. May 20 05:03:49 Dial the call, press the tab at the bottom to get back to the numeric keypad, then just type the numbers. (p.s. "02.07" is the number of one of the GSM standards, not a phone model) May 20 05:04:47 xyea, i got that. its not *working*. May 20 05:05:00 thats what i've been trying. May 20 05:05:45 yeah it is for GTA01 i guess May 20 05:07:20 juri_: sorry, I can't provide much help beyond "works for me". May 20 05:07:47 hmm. the voice menus seem to be working.. but its not making any noise on my end. May 20 05:08:01 i'll try to dial into the conference call tomorow. May 20 05:09:57 You don't hear the tones from the Neo; only the other end hears them. May 20 05:10:21 hi please help me , i want to flash kernel to my neo1973 use dfu-util -a kernel -R -D ./uImage.bin , but it always download to ram May 20 05:13:55 maybe try using -a 3 May 20 05:14:42 * juri_ files that under "non-intuitive". :P May 20 05:17:02 very surprise, i use vmware it always download to ram, but when i use a real machine it work ok May 20 05:27:31 http://www.spoofapp.com/ May 20 05:27:32 lol May 20 05:27:41 *that* is funny May 20 05:32:46 moko you May 20 05:32:55 hey mokofucker.. May 20 05:33:04 Man thats one bad moko May 20 05:34:11 moron May 20 05:56:10 http://downloads.openmoko.org/asu/ seems to not be owkring on the gta01 hardware May 20 05:58:38 and yes, i used http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image to convert the image May 20 06:09:13 NOTE: package openmoko-devel-image-1.0: completed May 20 06:09:27 oh man May 20 06:22:57 is it in production yet ? May 20 06:23:06 tis the 20th May 20 06:23:23 and mass was said to start by the 16th latest May 20 06:28:51 dbmoodb: you should filter all dates that fic/om says trough a increase-all-dates-with-at-least-one-week-filter May 20 06:29:04 ... May 20 06:29:06 why May 20 06:29:16 what would it show me -- yes or no ? May 20 06:29:36 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-May/017520.html May 20 06:30:21 so when is the new date ? May 20 06:30:47 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-May/017531.html May 20 06:32:01 it's a hot channel May 20 06:32:03 i still don't see any "we're currently building shitloads of phones" May 20 06:32:03 woooo wait ... first for mass production start then 2/3 weeks wait May 20 06:43:37 I'm a Dope. May 20 06:43:43 too May 20 06:44:49 coffeedope May 20 06:44:52 .com May 20 06:45:07 so save the cost an camel jockie em May 20 06:45:45 * Kamping_Kaiser wonders if the Free Software Song is available as a ringtone - *mwhwhahahah* May 20 06:46:15 no fireworks this year May 20 06:46:22 firewhat? May 20 06:46:36 ;) May 20 06:46:37 .. May 20 06:46:38 :( May 20 06:46:48 no sence in air freight those phones May 20 06:47:25 since# May 20 06:47:35 idk May 20 06:54:53 why i cann't see sd card in my neo1973? May 20 06:55:13 please give me some suggestion? May 20 06:55:45 i can't find anythine with ls /dev/ | grep mmc May 20 06:57:52 df -h May 20 06:59:34 lewei: The SD card should show up under /media/card. May 20 07:03:46 good morning May 20 07:04:54 g'morning Hopscotch May 20 07:11:45 morning May 20 07:13:36 freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * r990bbce53289 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): May 20 07:13:36 freesmartphone.org: Fixed wavecom's call handling May 20 07:13:36 freesmartphone.org: Hangup now works when calling May 20 07:13:37 freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * r290cf97fad38 10/ (12 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:gsmd2 May 20 08:50:02 g-morning May 20 09:00:59 i am pretty sure qemu is messing up my network May 20 09:02:09 i keep having to bring my comp's network down then up May 20 09:38:19 Can anyone tell me what ASU stands for, as in "Openmoko ASU software"? May 20 09:38:31 April Software Update May 20 09:39:16 "Abgas Sonder Untersuchung". :) May 20 09:39:27 *g May 20 09:39:31 arse suckage units May 20 09:39:34 ahhhh :) May 20 09:39:38 raster: haha May 20 09:39:53 Gottox: *lol* May 20 09:40:14 Yea, The Neo is a versatile device :P May 20 09:40:43 Abacus Software Update May 20 09:41:28 lol damn, first had to lookup the word "versatile"... Now I'm feeling ashamed a bit May 20 09:41:30 ^^ May 20 09:48:12 All Swingers Unite May 20 09:50:17 zedstar: not in this channel please, takes too long to clean up May 20 09:51:17 lol put your keys in the bowl May 20 09:51:53 I hope you mean public keys May 20 09:52:45 privates in a bowl is a whole different party May 20 09:53:11 sounds like a german party in particular May 20 09:53:36 considering how male dominated this channel is im thinking swinging was probably not a good idea May 20 09:54:07 * buz sees the southpark man pile in his mind May 20 09:54:17 thanks for making me recall that, really May 20 09:54:40 * XorA chuckles evilly May 20 09:55:24 soggey biscuit? May 20 09:55:48 surely most of them are submissives though? :P May 20 09:56:01 lol May 20 09:56:48 hi there. May 20 09:57:26 i've just read the post "Openmoko software update". Are the images working also for the old neo? May 20 10:30:36 freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * rd95408e4633e 10/src/call.c: Temporary commit to get a single simultaneous call working. May 20 10:57:12 bedboi: The images are working just fine on Neo1973 May 20 10:57:21 ebbe: thanks May 20 10:57:28 i'll try it right now May 20 10:59:17 bedboi: Oh wait.. dont know .. May 20 10:59:27 what? May 20 10:59:39 I misunderstod. I haven't tried them May 20 10:59:58 Looks like they are made for GTA02 May 20 11:00:30 But feel free to try them, just don't flash the uboot May 20 11:03:01 yep of course May 20 11:03:04 i have a GTA02 May 20 11:03:52 bedboi: Lucky bastard :) May 20 11:04:31 gta02 is not freerunner May 20 11:04:58 But it's got a faster cpu, right? May 20 11:04:58 wait May 20 11:05:11 i don't even know what I own :) May 20 11:05:26 maybe gta01b4? ^^ May 20 11:05:44 I own too many devices (n770, n810, n800, ipaq5455, neo1973, asus eee) May 20 11:06:02 diego71_: yep, that's the case :) May 20 11:06:06 gta01b4 May 20 11:06:52 diego_at_work: so i guess it won't work May 20 11:07:29 except for the kernel (maybe), it should work... May 20 11:07:47 maybe i'll try it on the SD May 20 11:13:56 ok, who is ready to try out a new MokoMakefile which no longer requires monotone? May 20 11:14:23 not now, sorry May 20 11:14:24 ! May 20 11:14:30 !! May 20 11:14:34 <---- !!! May 20 11:15:17 :) May 20 11:15:45 have they switched to git rwhitby? May 20 11:16:01 * XorA wonders why OM bothers with public mailing lists May 20 11:17:39 ScaredyCat: I just saw an announcement on distro-devel ... May 20 11:18:36 yes we did, and in a first for OM we switched one day early :-) May 20 11:18:51 XorA: depends which timezone you're in ;-) May 20 11:19:11 rwhitby: you werent in Weds when email was sent May 20 11:19:27 XorA: I thought the plan was Monday ... May 20 11:19:41 rwhitby: Wedsday for external people to see change May 20 11:20:42 rwhitby: monday, to stop updating MTN, wedsday to announce switch to git, just to give some breathing space was my original timescale email May 20 11:22:08 ah,cool. May 20 11:23:02 ScaredyCat: /msg'd you the new Makefile May 20 11:23:07 me May 20 11:23:21 when I have three success stories, I'll push it publicly May 20 11:23:29 time to each lunch and watch bleach May 20 11:23:57 rwhitby i want to check mokomakefile May 20 11:24:09 methril: I /msg'd you the URL May 20 11:24:53 that URL will only be valid until I get three success stories May 20 11:25:11 i see May 20 11:25:21 i'm going on May 20 11:25:22 (it's not being pasted here publicly, so it doesn't appear in the logs and get picked up by Google) May 20 11:25:49 encode it ... ^^ May 20 11:25:49 * rwhitby waits to see if linux-openmoko recipe git fails again May 20 11:26:07 * ScaredyCat ta May 20 11:26:08 I haven't been able to fully test the new Makefile, cause my build doesn't get past linux-openmoko ... May 20 11:26:22 what's the initial setup ? May 20 11:26:25 and it fails again ... May 20 11:26:57 ScaredyCat: "make clobber ; make" May 20 11:27:12 be aware that clobber does what it says May 20 11:27:33 * ScaredyCat does a "make backup first" May 20 11:28:28 Good Plan TM May 20 11:29:22 * rwhitby does a "while true ; make ; done" to see if he can get the linux-openmoko git thing to work May 20 11:29:59 while !git work May 20 11:32:24 it never works May 20 11:32:45 well, not unless you send me lots of freerunners May 20 11:33:14 make setup-machine-neo or something May 20 11:34:15 * rwhitby sets the default back to gta01 May 20 11:36:14 why it downloads the bitbake branch? May 20 11:37:17 methril: have you read the announcement on distro-devel? May 20 11:37:35 "[Announcement] Switch to git for the OpenEmbedded metadata and Bitbake" May 20 11:37:41 i'm going to :$ May 20 11:43:07 hi May 20 11:46:09 Is anyone else getting "fatal: failed to unpack tree object 927c22fef4b386a419b0ac684815881a7d489775" when building linux-openmoko ? May 20 11:47:05 rwhitby: yeah, my fault May 20 11:47:15 rwhitby: used the wrong git hash May 20 11:48:05 rwhitby: if you set AUTOREV for linux-openmoko just until I merge the fixes in May 20 11:48:41 XorA: will you be doing that in the next 30 minutes? May 20 11:49:06 rwhitby: depends how quickly I learn git May 20 11:49:10 * ScaredyCat is still rm -rf ing tmp :( May 20 11:49:29 ScaredyCat: here's a tip: "mv tmp tmp.old ; rm -rf tmp.old &" May 20 11:49:30 mv tmp tmp.old; nice -n19 rm -rm tmp.old & May 20 11:50:05 I have a tmp.old already :) May 20 11:50:26 have you tried tmp.old.old? ^^ May 20 11:50:51 heheh May 20 11:50:55 * XorA just made a script called backrm May 20 11:51:10 * ScaredyCat spies XorA's deliberate typo May 20 11:51:27 in spirit of uks pub culture I should releaser the script as backroom May 20 11:51:33 GNU rm should have an option for this ... May 20 11:51:55 the wiki of icecc say that we could tell icecc not distribute compiles jobs for native packages, anyone can tell me what's the native packages mean ? May 20 11:52:24 winux: stuff that OE needs like git-native that we cant rely on OS to provide a good version May 20 11:52:44 native => target OS is same as build host OS May 20 11:52:46 native means they are compiled for host target May 20 11:54:03 so i should set ICECC_USER_CLASS_BL = " native" May 20 11:54:03 in local.conf when i distributed compile OE , right ? May 20 11:55:33 RP: ahah, bitbake update fixed that problem thanks May 20 11:58:38 * ScaredyCat stares into space May 20 12:09:02 freesmartphone.org: 03heikki.paajanen * r761ed76f122f 10/ (src/modem.c src/serial.c vendor/ti-calypso-neo1973.c): Call progress indication work for Neo 1973 May 20 12:16:59 XorA: great :) May 20 12:19:12 methril|lunch, XorA: hang on before trying that new MokoMakefile May 20 12:19:26 zecke fixed the repo, which means I can take a couple of hacks out. May 20 12:19:59 k May 20 12:20:34 * XorA is still trying to merge May 20 12:21:39 time to crash course on git :-) May 20 12:23:52 methril|lunch, XorA, ScaredyCat: URL updated May 20 12:24:02 yay May 20 12:26:53 * ScaredyCat wonders is XorA will merge before I get to that part May 20 12:34:35 freesmartphone.org: 03heikki.paajanen * r6a4eb22a3572 10/ (src/modem.c vendor/ti-calypso-neo1973.c): May 20 12:34:35 freesmartphone.org: Start up fix May 20 12:34:35 freesmartphone.org: Neo wakeup timeout fix May 20 12:41:45 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * r1205ff3d78ea 10/data/themes/ (4 files): Replace all tabs with spaces to get a consistent indention May 20 13:12:46 Could someone explain what this post means exactly: http://gettingstartedopenmoko.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/openmoko-software-update/ May 20 13:13:13 The OpenMoko development will continue but the FreeRunner will be shipped with a QTopia based platform ? May 20 13:13:50 what's the probem? May 20 13:14:40 I'm just a little confused about the future direction of the project May 20 13:14:45 jmichel the community mailing list has discussion about this May 20 13:15:26 2007.1 -> 2007.2 -> Qtopia ... hmpf ... May 20 13:15:46 zedstar_: I'm not receiving these mails so I will register asap May 20 13:17:15 is the mokomakefile allready updated? May 20 13:18:01 jmichel: but from what i understand there is not too much to worry about...if u wanna continue with gtk those libraries will ship etc etc May 20 13:18:37 is there a reason for the move to qtopia? May 20 13:18:50 patoh: because it's mostly ready? May 20 13:19:11 and it is free software May 20 13:20:29 i've tried it on neo some month ago, but i'm not very impressed May 20 13:20:41 k-s: fair enough, I wasn't aware of the state of the current platform May 20 13:21:22 patoh: problem with qtopia was that it was not ported to X, it required its own framebuffer May 20 13:21:39 so it has been ported to kdrive now? May 20 13:22:00 so the openmoko platform will still be used, qtopia will just be used for the high level ui correct? May 20 13:22:01 to x11, which kdrive is a server impl May 20 13:22:29 e17 is the window manager, takes care of that windows and like May 20 13:22:36 (obviously) May 20 13:22:54 and qtopia does the basic phone apps: contacts, dialer May 20 13:23:38 mmm, would be interesting to see how this turns out May 20 13:23:51 i can see the arguement for QT etc.....it looks likely nokia will adopt it for symbian also so bigger window for your apps May 20 13:24:40 zedstar_: i still don't see good apps running unmodified in lots of environment May 20 13:25:08 will be interesting to see how the look and feel are May 20 13:25:09 but yes, it wll require less than rewrite the app again... maybe just some minor ui changes May 20 13:25:19 k-s well trolltech use the examples of apps like Skype May 20 13:25:20 any contacts/dialer application is a upgrade on the current ones I guess May 20 13:25:31 patoh: i saw raster running it sometime ago, was really fine May 20 13:25:53 zedstar_: but you still need minor ui changes, otherwise it's an alien May 20 13:26:10 i really was a fan of the old ui but May 20 13:26:14 I guess I just love gtk :) May 20 13:26:42 k-s yeh i dunno ive never used it personally May 20 13:26:55 gtk still being used in new plaforms like ALP May 20 13:27:03 bring on the toolkit wars :) May 20 13:27:04 alp? May 20 13:27:23 access linux platform May 20 13:27:41 allegedly first phone out this summer May 20 13:27:43 ah, former palm :-P May 20 13:27:46 yeh May 20 13:28:26 they spent (or wasted) a lot of money buying that May 20 13:29:55 i guess what is kinda cool about not pushing one toolkit is that it will be survival of the fittest determined by end user apps May 20 13:30:29 ehehe... May 20 13:30:47 * k-s just remember some maemo and canola May 20 13:49:18 hi May 20 13:49:50 http://sharesource.org/pipermail/totalopenstation-dev/2008-May/000000.html May 20 13:50:01 does someone have suggestions about the above error? May 20 13:52:30 I think that python is no compiled with tk support May 20 13:52:38 s/no/not/ May 20 13:52:39 diego_at_work meant: I think that python is not compiled with tk support May 20 13:53:17 ok, but.. May 20 13:53:18 if you're using Python from OE, then it rather means, you did not install python-tkinter May 20 13:53:21 or tk library are not installed May 20 13:53:47 it sounds more like tk missing May 20 13:53:52 perhaps there are some missing dependencies May 20 13:53:55 please keep me posted May 20 13:54:04 because the exception is raised in tkinter May 20 13:54:07 right May 20 13:54:25 look in /usr/lib/ May 20 13:54:49 usually _tkinter links against libtk.8.4.so, which means the automatic shared library dependencies should catch it May 20 13:54:59 ok diego_at_work I'll tell my friend to check.. he's the one who owns the GTA02 May 20 13:55:33 as a general advice, it would be better to write GUIs using pygtk, right ? May 20 13:55:47 (I mean for OpenMoko) May 20 13:56:02 i write some apps with python + gtk + glade May 20 13:56:48 I've written some, too. But only for pc/notebook use May 20 13:57:03 this would be my first app for OM.. :) May 20 13:57:04 it's quite the same May 20 13:57:29 i wrote them on my pc, and they worked fine on the neo1973 May 20 13:59:35 just keep the gui simple ^^ May 20 14:00:02 :-) this is not a problem because I would'nt be able to write a complex GUI anyway... May 20 14:27:15 hmm, is this one a bad joke? May 20 14:27:17 Qwell: What sort of warranty does the Freerunner come with? May 20 14:27:17 apt: Phones with hardware flaws will be repaired or replaced (at our discretion) if the flaw is reported with 14 days for individual phones, and 28 day sfor phones shipped in “10 packs”. May 20 14:27:18 that's too long, stefan_schmidt May 20 14:27:26 thanks apt May 20 14:27:45 http://rafb.net/p/vF9BO031.html May 20 14:28:47 It's a quote from here: http://gettingstartedopenmoko.wordpress.com/2007/12/31/faq-frequently-asked-questions/ May 20 14:29:56 sterna: yes, that's not legal for the european distributor to do May 20 14:30:01 dtef: May 20 14:30:14 you. May 20 14:31:43 RedDog: mokomakefile is not updated yet, but you can test it if you like May 20 14:32:36 SpeedEvil: Well, that for sure. Besides that I find it not funny to have a broken phone after 15 days and have no more warranty. May 20 14:34:58 is the new software (qtopia based) available for GTA01? May 20 14:35:59 rwhitby: why not? May 20 14:36:10 bedboi: not officially, but I shortly will do a commit so it at least builds May 20 14:36:11 takes a lot May 20 14:36:15 rwhitby May 20 14:36:17 :D May 20 14:36:21 rwhitby: where can i find it? May 20 14:36:45 RedDog: it's not publicly updated yet, cause I haven't had three success stories from the alpha testing. May 20 14:36:49 XorA: i don't need "officially" :) May 20 14:36:59 i just want to give it a try May 20 14:37:11 RedDog: if you want to alpha test it, I can give you a URL. May 20 14:41:44 rwhitby: i will test it May 20 14:48:32 is there a chance to get the asu image running with qemu? May 20 14:49:35 i've to go May 20 14:49:44 rwhitby report tomorrow May 20 14:53:10 Maybe a stupid question but what is "ASU" ? May 20 14:53:51 http://gettingstartedopenmoko.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/openmoko-software-update/ May 20 14:53:57 or planet.openmoko.org May 20 14:54:04 there is a link to the image May 20 14:54:16 http://downloads.openmoko.org/asu/ May 20 14:54:24 Sorry I know about the new software update but what does "ASU" mean? May 20 14:54:43 what it means, no idea May 20 14:55:03 i always get "s3c_nand_read: Bad register 0x20" while flashing May 20 14:55:34 I've seen this wording on the forum everywhere but I can't find what it means May 20 14:55:44 :) May 20 14:56:02 April Software Update May 20 14:56:07 ah May 20 14:56:20 finally I know :) May 20 14:56:40 deja vu May 20 14:56:43 i would like to see it in action May 20 14:59:35 no one got qemu running with gta02? May 20 15:00:58 i thought it is may already :-) May 20 15:02:09 April is 11 months away then May 20 15:02:40 yeah, so ASU is announced 11 months earlier :-) May 20 15:06:51 hi, i wanna install my uImage and rootfs into sd card ,and boot from sd card ,how could i set the boot menu ? May 20 15:07:38 look on the wiki May 20 15:10:11 mokel: i did May 20 15:10:36 mokel: it was easier than i thought, 10 mins and I had a qemu image running May 20 15:10:48 d3vice: what did you do that it works? i always get "s3c_nand_read: Bad register 0x20" May 20 15:10:59 i just followed the wiki May 20 15:11:09 using fedora 9 May 20 15:11:20 let me get the wiki0s url May 20 15:12:35 mokel: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU May 20 15:12:55 mokel: start with svn checkout ... May 20 15:13:15 qemu works May 20 15:13:27 freerunner, möp möp May 20 15:13:56 i did it like in manual setup May 20 15:14:57 then i replaced the .jffs, uboot and uimage May 20 15:15:04 err... i just read your phrase with my glasses on, i'm refering to gta01 qemu image, although in that wiki page it says how to run gta02 but haven't tried it May 20 15:15:15 ok May 20 15:16:40 diego_at_work,is this sentense "setenv menu_4 Boot from SD: setenv bootargs root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rootdelay=5 console=ttySAC0,115200 console=tty0 \${mtdparts}\; mmcinit\; ext2load mmc 0 0x32000000 /boot/\${sd_image_name}\; bootm 0x32000000 May 20 15:16:40 " right to boot openmoko from sd card ,but i failed, May 20 15:17:44 my neo get reboot at the moment i select "boot from sd" entry May 20 15:20:23 winux__ on my neo1973 works fine May 20 15:20:36 have you installed kernel and root image correctly? May 20 15:20:55 i think it's correct May 20 15:21:16 is your sd card file system ext2 or ext3 ? May 20 15:21:44 ext2, if i remember well May 20 15:24:06 my neo can not boot directly when press the power button,it stop at the splash all the time , the only way to boot my neo is press aux and power button at the same time and get into the boot menu ,and select the "boot" entry to boot May 20 15:24:37 what's the matter ? May 20 15:25:07 dunno. have you upgraded or modified uboot? May 20 15:25:42 (going home) May 20 15:26:58 winux__: sounds like you have an old old uboot May 20 15:27:46 XorA,my uboot version is 1.3.0 rc11.2.0 May 20 15:28:08 winux__: sounds old May 20 15:29:38 do you think the sentense "setenv menu_4 Boot from SD: setenv bootargs root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rootdelay=5 console=ttySAC0,115200 console=tty0 \${mtdparts}\; mmcinit\; ext2load mmc 0 0x32000000 /boot/\${sd_image_name}\; bootm 0x32000000" right to boot from sd card ? May 20 15:30:19 winux__: looks right from quick glance May 20 15:44:47 openmoko: 03zecke * ra229e71c759d 10/pixmaps/ (42 files in 42 dirs): Revert "Make white transparent in the icons." May 20 15:44:48 openmoko: 03zecke * r42a0439d9bad 10/ (175 files in 45 dirs): Changing of icons. Provide two copies, classic Icons and Screenshots. Update the desktop files May 20 15:53:03 XorA,i update my uboot ,and select "boot from sd ",but also failed May 20 15:54:44 winux__: Do you have a debug board? May 20 15:54:55 no May 20 15:55:51 I have a u-boot package that works for boot-from-SD. You can try it if you want (1 other person has tested it successfully) but without a debug board there is a small chance of bricking your device. May 20 15:56:59 Link is http://members.shaw.ca/mmontour/neo/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.3.3+svnr4297-r0.bin May 20 15:58:06 rwhitby: I'd like to test the new MokoMakefile May 20 15:58:56 mmontour,the error message is "bad magc number,unable to boot from sd" May 20 16:04:30 winux__: you can try entering the commands one at a time from the u-boot console (e.g. "screen /dev/ttyACM0") to see which one is causing the problem. If it's an old u-boot the "mmcinit" will work but the "ext2load" will fail. May 20 16:06:09 what's the full ext2load command ? May 20 16:07:22 mmontour,what's job does mmcinit do ? May 20 16:08:05 As shown in the menu entry you posted above, e.g. "ext2load mmc 0 0x32000000 /boot/uImage". You can also try "ext2ls mmc 0" May 20 16:08:33 mmcinit causes u-boot to detect the SD card May 20 16:09:20 NOTE: Handling BitBake files: | (3010/5404) [55 %]Error validating server certificate for 'https://svn.projects.openmoko.org:443':, anyone getting this lately? asking me to validate the certificate manually and barfs at etk-theme-ninja.bb..... May 20 16:09:57 Sup3rkiddo: do an svn co outside of bitbake and accept the certificate permanently May 20 16:10:13 okie dokie May 20 16:12:39 it said "bad partition 1" when runing "ext2load mmc 0 0x32000000 /boot/uImage" May 20 16:12:44 mmontour May 20 16:13:16 mmontour,my neo reboot after run "ext2ls mmc 0" May 20 16:14:17 how amny freerunners will be shipped first run? May 20 16:14:36 the above is not corrent , it also said "bad partition -mmc 0:1" when runing "ext2ls mmc 0" May 20 16:17:06 !ombug 799 May 20 16:17:07 * * Bug 799, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown May 20 16:17:08 * * obri(AT)chaostreff.ch: data abort while reading from SD Cards May 20 16:17:09 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=799 May 20 16:18:06 winux__: that's the bug that causes stack corruption, reboots, etc. after an ext2load or ext2ls command. May 20 16:18:52 mmontour,so what can i do ? May 20 16:19:36 Try the u-boot version that I posted previously, or try to find the one that mickeyl released around the end of January this year (I no longer have a working link for that one) May 20 16:21:29 winux__: Or find one here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Snapshot_review May 20 16:27:42 mmontour, could send me your u-boot? May 20 16:32:39 mmontour,my email is shuiguomayi@gmail.com May 20 16:37:13 im getting slightly disturbed. Will the current UI be really replace by something completely new? May 20 16:37:36 I mean now. when it all started to work rather well... May 20 16:40:36 hit will be replaced with cheese. May 20 16:40:43 s/hit/it/ May 20 16:40:43 ScaredyCat meant: it will be replaced with cheese. May 20 16:40:51 jummy May 20 16:41:06 gtk cheese? *g* May 20 17:34:52 * ScaredyCat wonders what will happen to all the gta01's ... May 20 17:35:04 does ASU work on an 01? May 20 17:35:15 with e May 20 17:37:12 no, only d May 20 17:37:21 ScaredyCat: you build custom firmware images for the moko, right? May 20 17:37:28 aye May 20 17:37:35 ~lart zash May 20 17:37:35 * apt throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at zash May 20 17:37:49 are you posting patches upstream? May 20 17:38:10 wel, no... May 20 17:38:20 the stuff I add is in projects though May 20 17:39:01 not because you don't want to or not because upstream isn't interested in contributions? May 20 17:39:35 I guess right now they aren't so relavant.. May 20 17:39:57 ok, good reason :) May 20 17:40:13 just wondered how receptive OM is to contributions from outside the core devs May 20 17:40:32 ... they are relavnat to me ... I only have an 01 ..:) May 20 17:40:42 they'er pretty good... May 20 17:40:57 you can post patches to the dev mailing list and bugzilla May 20 17:41:26 you might have to whine and bitch a little... May 20 17:41:26 ScaredyCat: Is today the day of the dotdotdots? May 20 17:41:37 ...possibly... May 20 17:41:39 :P May 20 17:41:53 Apparently... May 20 17:42:04 indeed it seems so.... May 20 17:42:13 aye .: May 20 17:42:25 has anyone posted a vid of the asu ? May 20 17:42:40 Not enough people with freerunners, it seems May 20 17:43:15 lazy ass mofos May 20 17:43:24 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image#Converting_a_GTA02_image_for_GTA01 May 20 17:43:28 it seems like eveyone has one atm May 20 17:43:32 anyone called me? May 20 17:43:42 I wonder if that works but I'm too lazy to build the modules needed May 20 17:43:46 it was raster May 20 17:43:48 :P May 20 17:44:36 abraxa__, y0 May 20 17:44:46 Ahoy Sup3rkiddo May 20 17:44:49 why not put it on the sd card May 20 17:44:52 ScaredyCat, y0 to yoo too May 20 17:44:55 boot from that? May 20 17:45:05 lo Sup3rkiddo May 20 17:50:34 libtool-native seems to be broken - | configure: error: source directory already configured; run "make distclean" there first (in do_compile) May 20 17:53:10 built ok here... May 20 17:53:22 many of you probably know it allready, but http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973 is a cool read May 20 17:53:42 cd build && . ../setup-env && bitbake -c rebuild libtoo-native May 20 17:53:59 he gave up though right? May 20 17:54:15 afaik yeah May 20 17:54:32 hmm, OK I'll take a closer look at my local setup. I'm using autorev and the 'mtn' repository (not the newly-announced git one) May 20 17:55:51 the main problem, afaics, is that some part of android is only distributed as an ARMv5 binary, because of which we can't compile it for the openmoko (ARMv4) hardware May 20 17:56:01 yes... May 20 17:56:20 basically Google don't know what opensource actually means May 20 17:56:24 i wonder if android's really that closed or there are other issues May 20 17:56:33 it is May 20 17:56:45 I've biatched about it enough... May 20 17:56:50 sucks. disqualifies android in my book now ;) May 20 17:56:59 yes...mine too... May 20 17:57:29 esp. because all the buzz is that it's all Apache License Open Source (i can live with non-'Free Software') May 20 17:57:43 until they actually release the whole thing as oss they can go jump in a river May 20 17:57:51 +1 May 20 17:57:55 .. of lava ! May 20 17:58:04 and anchovies May 20 17:58:18 now that's mean. May 20 17:58:38 now anchoview is over the line May 20 17:58:40 s May 20 18:03:02 unfortunately the unwashed masses believe whatever google says and dont like their fluffy image questioned ! May 20 18:03:34 hello May 20 18:03:58 if they release a mobile which is a turd on a stick people gonna buy it May 20 18:04:27 turd-stick-o-phone May 20 18:04:31 or if hardware vendors release it rather May 20 18:05:30 I would like to know one thing : would it be possible to make opengl application on freerunner? May 20 18:09:08 no May 20 18:09:32 well, probably techniclly possible.. May 20 18:09:40 but the glamo is under NDA May 20 18:10:08 sad :( May 20 18:12:40 the openmoko guys who are under NDA supposedly are allowed to write some docs though May 20 18:13:01 not sure if that'd include the opengl capabilities of the thing though May 20 18:13:06 libtool-native works now. Turns out that it was because I had symlinked 'build/tmp/work' to another partition with more free space; with 'work' as a regular dir it builds OK. May 20 18:13:11 and it's quite a step from docs to implementation of course :) May 20 18:13:54 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-September/010175.html May 20 18:19:33 so it is possible that we have an opengl driver in the future May 20 18:20:52 dtony: You can expect an opengl driver to come bundled with the Duke Nukem Forever port :) May 20 18:21:08 :D May 20 18:21:50 what I'm dreaming is a port of neverball with the accelerometers :p May 20 18:23:38 hehe that would be awesum ^^ May 20 18:24:00 openmoko: 03thomas * r4443 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (14 files in 2 dirs): opkg: (leak fixing, day 2) lots and lots of memory leaks fixed May 20 18:26:40 raboof: it's been stated that that will not be happening - the rewriting of the docs May 20 18:26:54 raboof: nor will 3D acceleration. May 20 18:28:16 SpeedEvil: ow - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_Openness should be updated then May 20 18:30:18 So was there any reason then to have a chip that could handle 3d graphics? May 20 18:30:45 Yes - at the time. May 20 18:30:52 The limitations were not well understood. May 20 18:31:07 Makes sense then May 20 18:33:44 SpeedEvil: happen to have a link saying the 3d accell docs won't be written? May 20 18:35:20 No - however it'll be in the logs of this channel May 20 18:35:30 ~logs May 20 18:35:31 it has been said that logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org// where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/.html.gz May 20 18:35:38 Raster has said this several times. May 20 18:35:41 thanks May 20 18:36:31 (who is the one writing the 2d driver) May 20 18:36:46 yeah, i'm somewhat up to speed, but thanks for mentioning May 20 18:37:25 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_Openness May 20 18:37:28 updated somewhat May 20 18:37:42 !logs May 20 18:37:43 Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: May 20 18:37:44 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko May 20 18:37:45 Live-logs are available at May 20 18:37:47 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog May 20 18:37:49 See ?? help-logs for usage instructions May 20 18:38:48 SpeedEvil: nice, i'll try and dig up a reference to the chatlog May 20 18:38:59 SpeedEvil: thanks for updating that. Is the 2D work GPL though? May 20 18:39:14 search on raster.*rewrite May 20 18:39:26 retracile: yes - it results in a GPL driver patch for the kenrel May 20 18:40:49 SpeedEvil: glad to hear that. thakns May 20 18:41:21 qtopia-phone-x11-4.3.1-r13 fails to build for me... Anyone else having the same problem? May 20 18:41:26 oe :p May 20 18:43:50 * ScaredyCat fears the kenrel May 20 18:49:51 thhiis terminbl is horrible, by the way May 20 18:51:42 vuut even more horrible is the multitap keyboard rules being aqlied to a bt pad May 20 18:52:53 wok ewe taking a boat May 20 18:54:44 mjr: you're connected though openmoko? :) May 20 18:55:34 however, bus ircig is still b limited success May 20 18:56:16 yes May 20 18:56:36 I would be more legible otherwise ;) May 20 18:57:53 the ccombination of the input crap and the terminal crap makes it hard to correct oneself May 20 18:58:22 install pidgin May 20 18:58:23 ad the pad is not perfect either May 20 18:58:48 maybe May 20 18:59:10 this seems to especially miss ns May 20 18:59:40 wow, had to read that one a couple of times ;) May 20 19:01:18 ScaredyCat: have you heard of anybody porting pidgin to openmoko yet? May 20 19:01:29 porting? May 20 19:01:33 "porting" May 20 19:01:39 it's in my repo... May 20 19:01:50 work pretty well? May 20 19:02:08 works ok... screen is a little small / cluttered May 20 19:02:14 no comment. May 20 19:02:23 I think it should work better rotated, with the tabs along the right May 20 19:02:30 actually, I will comment :p May 20 19:02:34 Assuming BT keyboard May 20 19:02:46 It's not small/cluttered because it's running on a phone. It's because the design sucks :p May 20 19:02:49 neglecting tap issues May 20 19:02:57 yes, but then that fsdking multipap appears May 20 19:03:26 Qwell: well, not really... there's bugger all screen real estate with the multicrap May 20 19:03:32 on a pc it seems ok May 20 19:03:43 although, i don;t actually use t May 20 19:03:54 I switched to funpidgin. May 20 19:04:02 i just build stuff May 20 19:04:10 /win new May 20 19:04:13 sigh May 20 19:04:14 wtf is fun pifginh May 20 19:04:21 * ScaredyCat slaps SpeedEvil May 20 19:04:29 ScaredyCat: pidgin with crappy design "features" reverted. May 20 19:04:34 ahh May 20 19:04:39 pre-pidgin May 20 19:04:44 post-pidgin May 20 19:05:05 if it's post, how can they be reverted? May 20 19:05:17 it's a fork. certain commits have been reverted in the fork May 20 19:06:42 SpeedEvil: feel like making screenshots? :) May 20 19:06:43 /cheese May 20 19:06:52 few seconds May 20 19:06:56 yeah, why are there non on the website May 20 19:06:58 working out how to get it best sorted May 20 19:07:04 sweet May 20 19:07:10 this is not on om May 20 19:07:14 it's on my desktop May 20 19:07:21 funpidgin shmunpidgin May 20 19:08:35 eeeek the eurovision song contest is on May 20 19:08:40 yay May 20 19:09:01 are you sure? May 20 19:09:06 as good as every year? May 20 19:09:12 or do you mean a local one? May 20 19:09:26 well if it not then im having a bad trip May 20 19:09:30 * ScaredyCat likes it. May 20 19:09:34 bbc 3 now May 20 19:09:42 it;s usually on a saturday May 20 19:09:48 yeh it will May 20 19:09:53 this is the semi finals :) May 20 19:09:58 ahh.. uk May 20 19:10:03 the songs are shit May 20 19:10:08 yeh May 20 19:10:12 they need to be bouncy bouncy May 20 19:10:26 yeh need to camp it up May 20 19:10:31 yeah... May 20 19:10:52 there were 2 really good ones last time May 20 19:10:57 http://www.mauve.plus.com/pidgin.png May 20 19:10:57 I liked the french one too May 20 19:11:11 pidgin or funpidgin? May 20 19:11:12 some good outfits also! May 20 19:11:27 This is stock pidgin - with the tabs on the right, and an alias set for #openmoko to reduce the width of the channelnamebar May 20 19:11:46 pidgin 2.0.2 May 20 19:11:50 pft May 20 19:11:55 funpidgin May 20 19:12:20 dl pdgin from my repo May 20 19:13:16 what's an 'infinity edge' ? May 20 19:13:34 * SpeedEvil notes ScaredyCat watches garden porn. May 20 19:13:58 hehe May 20 19:14:18 I'mm going with http://www2.victoriassecret.com/collection/?cgname=OSBRPVERVIL&cgnbr=OSBRPVERVIL&rfnbr=1096 May 20 19:14:25 As that was the first hit on google May 20 19:14:53 u cross dressing again? May 20 19:15:00 and it's a tm too May 20 19:15:06 The "infinity edge" is one of today's most coveted and visually fantastic pool features offered by California pool designers. Infinity edge pools are so named because one side of the pool is even with the water level in the pool. This feature is also called a "negative edge". Water is pumped back into the pool after it cascades over the edge and is held in a catch basin. You will be awestruck when you see that your pool appears to be "floating" a May 20 19:15:25 Or not. May 20 19:16:27 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * r6008dba3870a 10/oeventd/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Create basic classes May 20 19:17:27 did XorA|gone get his merge done ? May 20 19:44:59 * pidginevil waves. May 20 19:59:54 ScaredyCat: nope, still working on cool features May 20 20:00:10 huh? May 20 20:00:30 you fixing the hash is what I meant.... May 20 20:00:55 I presume you did since I've got the linux-openmoko git co May 20 20:00:56 ScaredyCat: yeah, but its stuck in the middle of work I am doing May 20 20:01:30 :/ May 20 20:01:56 NOTE: package linux-openmoko-2_2.6.24+git0+e93ec75e2a9c85e5a92af9e1b754fa711bd864b6-r0: task do_compile: started May 20 20:02:34 ScaredyCat: got autorev active? May 20 20:03:04 no May 20 20:03:08 sane May 20 20:05:28 maybe someone beat me May 20 20:05:43 seems to be happily compiling May 20 20:06:16 quit moaning then :-D May 20 20:07:21 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * rfe9cc7c7645c 10/src/zhone: Work around invisible character bug May 20 20:08:15 That damn invisible woman! May 20 20:08:16 balrog-kun: Are you around? May 20 20:08:22 abraxa__: yes May 20 20:08:47 I wasn't moaning biatch May 20 20:10:29 interesting: it seems to continue to participate in this android developer challenge, projects must endorse an NDA which seemingly prevents them from releaseing their code under a free license May 20 20:10:35 that might make for a nice riot.. May 20 20:10:45 balrog-kun: Some guy would like to try GTA02 emulation in QEmu but can't quite figure out how to create a kernel with gta02fake support. Can you supply him with such a kernel by chance? May 20 20:14:07 abraxa__: i can't find any ready to use zImage right now May 20 20:14:18 abraxa__: it's just a matter of taking the openmoko kernel and applying a tiny patch though May 20 20:15:21 abraxa__: and the only actual difference for the userspace is that /proc/cpuinfo report Hardware: GTA02 instead of 01 May 20 20:15:28 reports May 20 20:15:39 balrog-kun: Ahh okay, thanks May 20 20:17:18 balrog-kun: He's a little confused about the locations of the partitions in flash as they seem to be different for GTA02. Is there anything he needs to change there or can he use the GTA01 values? May 20 20:18:44 abraxa__: well, he can use the GTA01 values as long as the rootfs fits in the rootfs partition May 20 20:18:54 Groovy, thanks May 20 20:19:29 (gta02fake actually adds virtual acceleromaters, gps and SDIO, but the rootfs can't take advantage of that, yet) May 20 20:19:39 or at least it couldn't last time i tried May 20 20:19:41 *nods* May 20 20:20:12 During flashing he gets " s3c_nand_read: Bad register 0x20", though I do wonder if that's even critical or not May 20 20:20:33 abraxa__: umm, lemme check May 20 20:23:59 abraxa__: i don't get this during flashing, only when booting May 20 20:24:14 but my u-boot is quite old May 20 20:34:46 balrog-kun: Thanks for checking :) May 20 20:35:27 balrog-kun: And I forgot - can you boot despite that error? May 20 20:38:30 We need a more widespread testerbase. http://youtube.com/watch?v=Rh8gfIcjQNY May 20 20:39:56 abraxa__: yes, i get some more errors too May 20 20:40:26 abraxa__: they're things that are theoretically illegal for the kernel to do but the real hardware ignores them so nobody cares to fix May 20 20:43:06 balrog-kun: Ah okay, thanks May 20 20:52:53 how big is the openmoko rootfs? May 20 20:57:20 <-------------------this-big------------------------------> <---- not to scale May 20 20:58:44 ScaredyCat: thanks :) May 20 20:59:03 is that in monospace or variable font ? May 20 20:59:56 it's not to scale, it doesn;t matter May 20 21:00:33 i was hoping i could shirnk the rootfs, but it seems there's no hope May 20 21:00:50 but seriously, probably too large for a collie, for instance? May 20 21:00:55 but seriously how much crud are we looking at May 20 21:01:30 <---this-much----> <---not to scale May 20 21:06:27 ScaredyCat: you're always so helpful :) May 20 21:07:05 and exact :) May 20 21:07:19 well no matter have a good night of hacking May 20 21:08:09 hi May 20 21:10:27 will freerunner be sold in germany and will it work with German cards and networs? May 20 21:11:53 roterguru, y0 May 20 21:12:10 roterguru, http://trisoft.de/openmoko.htm May 20 21:12:22 roterguru: yes, it will May 20 21:12:22 roterguru: apparently trisoft.de and pulstar.de will be distributors for Europe May 20 21:12:37 at least, that's what http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ says May 20 21:12:38 roterguru, http://www.pulster.de/openmoko.htm May 20 21:12:49 y0 May 20 21:12:56 cool. great project *thumbs up* May 20 21:14:31 ScaredyCat: did the new git-based MokoMakefile work for you? May 20 21:14:47 still compiling, but seems to be ok May 20 21:21:09 mickeyl: Is there a CIA project which I can get the RSS feed for git.openmoko.org commits? May 20 21:22:59 ooooh.... May 20 21:23:10 * ScaredyCat notes libsidplay getting compiled May 20 21:23:22 rwhitby: openmoko May 20 21:24:16 mickeyl: I see svn and monotone commits there, but no git commits May 20 21:24:28 (and I know there were git commits overnight) May 20 21:24:58 (I already have that CIA project in my rss feed browser) May 20 21:25:05 openmoko: zecke * ra229e71c759d /pixmaps/ (42 files in 42 dirs): Revert "Make white transparent in the icons." May 20 21:25:05 openmoko: zecke * r42a0439d9bad / (175 files in 45 dirs): Changing of icons. Provide two copies, classic Icons and Screenshots. Update the desktop files May 20 21:25:09 they seem to land here May 20 21:25:28 those were svn and monotone ones, not git commits May 20 21:25:42 * ferric waves to rwhitby May 20 21:25:44 oh May 20 21:25:45 no idea then May 20 21:25:51 git used to be reported May 20 21:25:56 please check with roh or Gismo_C May 20 21:26:01 mickeyl: thx May 20 21:26:09 * rwhitby waves back to ferric May 20 21:26:29 Anyone else want to alpha test the new git-based MokoMakefile? May 20 21:26:41 rwhitby: me May 20 21:26:53 I only have one success story from ScaredyCat so far - I need three to publish it. May 20 21:27:28 mmontour: /msg'd you the URL May 20 21:28:47 Thanks, got it - just checking to see how severe the "make clobber" is going to be. May 20 21:29:31 rwhitby, I'll do it. :) May 20 21:29:53 mmontour: clobber means clobber :-) May 20 21:29:53 are the commits available as rss feeds then ? May 20 21:30:13 ScaredyCat: yes, via cia.vc/project/openmoko May 20 21:30:31 cool ta May 20 21:30:54 http://cia.vc/stats/project/openmoko/ in particular May 20 21:31:15 hmh, nokia is making noises about going into linux cells :/ May 20 21:31:16 I expected to see git commits from XorA|gone there ... May 20 21:31:29 kdean06: /msg'd you the url May 20 21:31:35 rwhitby: gimme a few mins :-) May 20 21:31:37 Got it, thanks. May 20 21:31:48 Hrm... I can't get on my server. :S May 20 21:34:11 OK, it's started (checking out SVN currently). I'll let you know how it turns out. May 20 21:35:17 * XorA|gone starts to love git-reset May 20 21:45:00 rwhitby: some commits May 20 21:45:35 XorA|gone: so cia is not reporting them here or at http://cia.vc/stats/project/openmoko/ May 20 21:52:06 rwhitby: hmm, would be useful to get that fixed May 20 21:52:22 rwhitby: I guess the commit hook is just not attached yet as it works for the rest of the repos May 20 21:53:29 XorA|gone: yeah my guess is the commit hook for git is missing May 20 21:53:59 rwhitby: Ill ask tomorrow May 20 22:03:46 rwhitby: The Makefile is into the build phase now. I saw an odd error message: Parsing .bb files, please wait...done.sh: line 0: cd: /home/mmontour/moko/openembedded/packages/0xFFFF/0xffff_0.1.bb: Not a directory May 20 22:03:52 fatal: Not a git repository May 20 22:04:21 mjr: 'linux cells' aren't interesting if they're not open, too May 20 22:04:34 mmontour: yeah, that seems to be an openembedded metadata problem, unrelated to the changeover to git May 20 22:04:41 motorola has some linux-based cells, but as the software is closed that isn't that interesting May 20 22:05:15 imho, anyway :) May 20 22:07:51 wow android is so dumb May 20 22:08:15 it is only compiled for ARMv5 up compliant CPUs May 20 22:11:21 geogriffin: I expect that is an OHA business tactic to ensure that android is only easily ported to new OHA member company handsets and not ported to legacy handsets May 20 22:12:46 supposedly only after the first android-based phones are in production (and the OHA members have a nice head-start), will the stack become open-source May 20 22:13:08 (previous to the handset releases by those companies, after which the source code will be available and anyone can port it to anything) May 20 22:13:17 raboof: exactly May 20 22:13:27 ARM is ridiculous anyway.. it has too many "features" May 20 22:13:32 ha May 20 22:13:49 I expect it's the "payback" for the huge dollars that OHA companies probably pay to be part of the alliance May 20 22:14:42 just kidding, i know ARM architecture is probably important for maintaining code size/speed balance on small memory/slow devices May 20 22:15:02 yeah, i guess it's understandable when you want to make friends with the commercial guys you'll have to make compromises May 20 22:15:49 raboof, indeed not to me, which is why it's potentially quite bad for nokia to stick their hand in too. May 20 22:16:36 if they do it right it might be interesting though - maemo looked reasonably open (though I though that about android, too, until i looked closer :) ) May 20 22:16:54 i just dont get how android has an "open" image at all.. when it can only be compiled for one processor so far May 20 22:17:06 nite May 20 22:17:08 the n810 is really interesting hardware, even if the software isn't tuned right and (quite importantly) it doesn't do GSM :) May 20 22:17:40 geogriffin: good marketing and exciting promises, I guess May 20 22:18:23 anyway May 20 22:18:28 bedtime, later guys :) May 20 22:18:31 cya May 20 22:20:03 mickey|zzZZzz: any chance you can fix the bashism in python-edje_cvs.bb ? May 20 22:20:08 XorA|gone: ^^ May 20 22:20:20 that causes build failure on virgin ubuntu May 20 22:24:38 If I had commit access I could fix it myself ... May 20 22:24:44 ha May 20 22:26:39 * rwhitby makes a local git commit, to see if "make update" will do the rebase correctly next time XorA|gone updates the git for openembedded May 20 22:31:47 ERROR: Task 523 (/home/mmontour/moko/openembedded/packages/linux/linux-openmoko_2.6.24+git.bb, do_fetch) failed May 20 22:33:26 mmontour: "make update" - XorA|gone was meant to have fixed that May 20 23:56:02 * * OM Bug 1395 has been created by openmoko(AT)rcie.de May 20 23:56:03 * * SDHC-Support May 20 23:56:04 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1395 May 21 00:15:03 D'oh - my build just failed on 'evas' because the clock rolled over past midnight UTC May 21 01:22:56 moop. May 21 01:57:32 g'eveninig May 21 02:02:00 evening May 21 02:02:34 will the ASU run on gta01? May 21 02:03:05 http://downloads.openmoko.org/asu/ didn't work after following http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image to covert the iamge May 21 02:03:08 image* May 21 02:06:14 darn, and it looks like the freerunner wont be ready for fudcon :-/ May 21 02:20:12 daMaestro: where did it fail for you? May 21 02:20:40 mmontour, just didn't boot.. it started to boot the kernel.. but never was able to May 21 02:21:03 Which kernel are you using? May 21 02:22:32 A GTA02 kernel (such as the one distributed with the ASU rootfs) won't work on a GTA01. I was using mwester's kernel from http://moko.mwester.net (leftover from some other testing) May 21 02:23:02 ah, that might be it May 21 02:23:17 what kernel rootfs combo should i try to take a peak at the asu? May 21 02:25:34 I only tried it with mwester's kernel, but any other up-to-date GTA01 kernel (2.6.24) would probably be good enough to boot the ASU image (whether or not it "works" is another matter...) May 21 02:34:09 rwhitby: My build failed in the final do_rootfs stage for some opkg-related reason. I don't know yet whether it's due to the git changeover or if it's just some quirk of my local system. I had to do a few other fixes by hand to get it to build that far, but as far as I can tell those were the same as with the previous mtn repo. May 21 02:40:03 mmontour: my build is still going, so I haven't got that far yet. Thanks for the update. May 21 02:40:25 I'll call that two success stories - only need one more to publish the new MokoMakefile May 21 02:49:46 mmontour: so, any thoughts on getting in on the order yet? I'm about to email everyone else. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 21 02:59:56 2008