**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 21 02:59:56 2008 May 21 03:00:29 doc|home: At the moment I'm still undecided. If you need an extra person to make it to 10 then I'd probably go for it (as long as it's possible to order a debug board as well and have it all shipped as 1 order with 1 UPS brokerage charge) May 21 03:01:54 mmontour: I did ask steve about that, he said he'd to ask someone, sent him a reminder and he replied but I forget the exact answer, one sec. May 21 03:02:18 openmoko: 03olv * r4444 10/developers/olv/openmoko-agpsui2/: May 21 03:02:18 openmoko: Remove obsolete directory. openmoko-agpsui has been moved to May 21 03:02:18 openmoko: http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/openmoko-agpsui/ May 21 03:02:22 " May 21 03:02:22 This is one of bunch of questions I have to get answered. I'll be visiting May 21 03:02:22 with the fulfillment people shortly to get answrs to questions like this." May 21 03:45:47 rwhitby: I got past the opkg problem (commented out args_deinit on line 491 of libopkg/libopkg.c) and got openmoko-devel-image do_rootfs to work. I flashed the new kernel and rootfs and it worked well enough to make a call (I haven't tested anything else). May 21 03:46:15 after finish the configuration of icecc and local.conf, what command should i run to start icecc to distributed compile ? May 21 03:56:15 mmontour: thx May 21 03:56:41 mmontour,have you tried icecc to distribute compile openmoko ? May 21 03:56:57 winux: no May 21 03:59:48 distcc 4tw, bitches May 21 04:07:08 ewon,i can not understand what you say ? what is 4tw ? May 21 04:07:15 For The Win May 21 04:07:47 winux: ewon is too l337 to use proper spelling :-p May 21 04:11:39 CVirus, i can not understand what you say? what is l337? :P May 21 04:12:05 haha May 21 04:14:03 Zerg Rush!! kekeke! May 21 04:15:26 using distcc ,or icecc or any other tools ,anyone has succeeded in distri-compile openmoko ? so few papers !!! May 21 04:17:40 as i understand it you could just replace the usage of gcc with distcc May 21 04:18:19 maybe just do ln -s /path/to/distcc /usr/bin/gcc or so and then start up the build process May 21 04:18:29 but i never heard of someone doing this May 21 04:18:53 i think because it's hard enough to get through gcc error during build process :P May 21 04:25:38 i compiled my openembedded but failed ,so how to clean up in order to start a new compile procedure ? May 21 04:26:23 morning May 21 04:27:18 o/ May 21 04:35:48 Anyone else other than ScaredyCat and mmontour willing to alpha test the new git-based MokoMakefile? May 21 04:36:17 RedDog, methril|away: what was your result? May 21 04:42:38 i would test your new makefile but on all four cores a wikipedia dump is running since a week or so... :P May 21 04:43:42 ...a wikipedia...dump o_O May 21 04:44:42 yeah... kinda painfull May 21 04:44:52 takes like... forever! May 21 04:45:30 but it's all for the good of openmoko and for the ones that do not know it yet: http://www.mokopedia.org May 21 04:46:40 * Sonicadvance1 steals and makes 50 copies on DVDs May 21 04:46:55 hi all, can some one suggest the right channel to discuss linux-usb problems? May 21 04:47:16 kunal, maybe the one your distro provides will be right May 21 04:47:36 Sonicadvance1, "steal" seems inapropriate for GFDL content :P May 21 04:47:52 josch, i am using embedded linux on a device May 21 04:48:09 so i assume there might be some developer's channel May 21 04:48:19 or rather i am just trying to use the standard linux driver May 21 04:48:31 shows how you know me! May 21 04:48:35 so which embedded distro are you using? May 21 04:48:35 * Sonicadvance1 just steals it harder May 21 04:48:47 Sonicadvance1, :P May 21 04:48:53 :P May 21 04:49:10 i wish i had a faster machine... May 21 04:49:59 os[Linux 2.6.25.4-custom x86_64] distro[Debian lenny/sid] cpu[4 x AMD Phenom(tm) 9600 Quad-Core Processor (AuthenticAMD) @ 2.31GHz] mem[Physical: 1003.7MB, 43.6% free] disk[Total: 95.4GB, 18.2% free] video[10de:0400] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB] May 21 04:50:21 wizam :P May 21 04:50:39 Has any one here used USB-HID driver on Host,?? May 21 04:51:34 Sonicadvance1, dang May 21 04:51:46 * josch has athlon64 3600+ May 21 04:52:05 Sonicadvance1, your disk is too small for my work May 21 04:52:13 * josch needs at least 300GB space May 21 04:52:32 eh, it's a 160GB, xsys just doesn't show it all >.> May 21 04:52:43 And it's SLOWWW!I need a new one May 21 04:52:48 only 160 gb? May 21 04:52:54 i suspected a raptor there May 21 04:52:55 It's really old May 21 04:53:06 2001 old May 21 04:53:09 -.- May 21 04:53:13 :D May 21 04:53:16 let us exchange hardware May 21 04:53:26 your cpu is too good for the rest May 21 04:53:35 xD May 21 04:53:36 you also only have 1GB ram May 21 04:53:40 i need four May 21 04:53:50 my 8600GTS is up there almost May 21 04:54:01 * josch doesnt need no graphix May 21 04:54:32 I'd be buying a new HDD but I just HAD to get a speeding ticket today >.> May 21 04:59:29 Sonicadvance1: how fast were you? ;) May 21 05:00:26 67 in a 55 May 21 05:00:31 Was passing someone going 45 May 21 05:00:44 stupid old farmers >.> May 21 05:01:33 buhaha,,,we bribe traffic police here "D May 21 05:02:14 :D May 21 05:18:25 http://www.osnews.com/story/19764 what? May 21 05:18:30 I have not been paying attention May 21 05:32:39 josch: a few days ago I was wondering if anything was happening with the mokopedia project. Glad to see that it's still alive. May 21 05:35:57 summatusmentis, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-May/017504.html May 21 05:47:25 gath May 21 05:47:27 cp: cannot stat `/builder/newBuild/openembedded/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11/Xsession.d/89qtopia': No such file or directory May 21 05:59:46 ScaredyCat: change line 30 of qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb to "file://om-gta02/Xsession.d/89qtopia \" May 21 06:00:14 * ScaredyCat spanks XorA|gone May 21 06:00:17 ta mmontour May 21 06:00:22 Insert at line 43: TARGET-DEVICE="ficgta01" May 21 06:00:41 hi, anyone know the place where i can get the gitty MokoMakefile? May 21 06:00:44 of course having ley my build run overnight, it failed 10 minutes after going to bed May 21 06:01:01 (or fix the code just above it that should set it automatically) May 21 06:01:42 My build failed many times today. Helpful tip - don't let your build cross midnight UTC or anything using a SRCDATE will get screwed up May 21 06:01:43 lol...same thing happened to me at matchbox-plugin May 21 06:04:09 the file isn't there anyway mmontour May 21 06:04:36 ls openembedded/packages/qtopia-phone/files/om-gta02/ May 21 06:04:36 device-conf device-conf.old qplatformdefs.h May 21 06:05:05 packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11/... May 21 06:06:11 I don't know why it's there instead of in "files/", but bitbake seems to find it. May 21 06:06:18 nm user error May 21 06:08:31 ok why is there no mtd-tools for lenny?? May 21 06:51:07 does openmoko got any camera capture apps May 21 06:51:25 no May 21 06:51:29 because it has no camera May 21 06:51:30 * nab waves May 21 06:51:37 Greetings all :-) May 21 06:52:49 openmoko: 03walkingice 07org.openmoko.april-update * r688a1e3988a3 10/packages/packagekit/packagekit_git.bb: Modify packagekit to make it patch successful May 21 06:53:17 raster: Hey, do I did some mplayer iSCSI/GPRS audio playback testing May 21 06:53:29 And with 128 kbit its definately a strech May 21 06:54:01 strech, as far as being able to buffer and playback through a playlist. :-) May 21 06:54:28 I was playing around with mplayer and downsampling, to see if this would require less of the file to be touched May 21 06:55:03 I am guessing with existing code it would not make a difference. May 21 06:56:09 Speaking of which May 21 06:56:27 raster: What image viewer would you recommend for my testing..? May 21 06:57:04 yeah May 21 06:57:19 on the fly downsampling isnt going to help much given existing video and audio formats May 21 06:57:27 u will need to read all the data either way May 21 06:57:34 image viewer May 21 06:57:35 dunno May 21 06:57:35 figured as much May 21 06:57:42 i really should write a nice sexy one sometime May 21 06:57:45 So its 64 Kbit for iSCSI/GPRS audio playback then. :P May 21 06:57:46 hehe May 21 06:57:47 but no idea there May 21 06:57:57 raster: I have been using quiver on OS 2008 May 21 06:58:11 Which I have found works quite well, even with 100s of images May 21 06:58:18 (THis was over iSCSI/WiFI btw) May 21 06:59:20 I don't recall what image libs there are using May 21 06:59:53 s/there/they May 21 07:00:01 Speaking of which May 21 07:00:15 raster: How is the OM filemanager coming along..? May 21 07:00:27 I have been really excited to hook this up to iSCSI/WiFi May 21 07:01:11 there is none May 21 07:01:19 so its coming along just fine May 21 07:01:19 I would even be interested in helping making sure that it plays nice with larger FS mounts, and that cluster FS changes also appear May 21 07:01:20 :) May 21 07:01:28 (Something that maemo's file manager has a problem with) May 21 07:01:31 Heh May 21 07:01:40 Is that one of your work items..? May 21 07:01:46 nup May 21 07:02:02 * nab checks the wiki May 21 07:02:44 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/File_Browser May 21 07:03:14 Delve into the innards of the phone's actual filesystem. May 21 07:03:16 Heh May 21 07:03:16 :-) May 21 07:03:29 not on the todo list May 21 07:03:33 maybe a wiki page May 21 07:03:36 but not on my todo list May 21 07:03:37 :) May 21 07:03:47 * nab warms up the bribes May 21 07:03:48 e17 has a fm buildt in anyway May 21 07:03:48 Actually May 21 07:03:51 already there May 21 07:03:57 That is something I would be interested in looking at at some point May 21 07:03:59 u just have no way to access it May 21 07:04:15 My non web based UI skills have ben pretty limited thusfar May 21 07:04:17 and i'd say its not optimised for such a screen/device May 21 07:04:32 But I would really like to make something using your work. May 21 07:04:48 May 21 07:05:06 sure May 21 07:05:08 as i siad May 21 07:05:09 fm is there May 21 07:05:12 e has an fm widget May 21 07:05:20 the icon-view mode of the launcher is the fm widget May 21 07:05:22 * nab nods May 21 07:05:34 Ok, that makes sense May 21 07:05:37 :-) May 21 07:05:40 i just populate a hidden ~/.dir with symlinks to all .desktop files of apps found May 21 07:05:46 the rest the fm handles nicely May 21 07:06:01 Ok May 21 07:06:16 That reminds me of something else.. May 21 07:06:47 Do you know if anyone is working on the Media Player cached tracklists..? May 21 07:06:56 no idea May 21 07:07:01 Eg: The AUX that will scan the whole device for new media files May 21 07:07:05 win future we are shippign qtopia May 21 07:07:09 AUX Button. :-) May 21 07:07:14 so it's qtopias media player on the default image May 21 07:07:15 * nab nods May 21 07:07:25 Ahh, Ok. May 21 07:10:59 raster: Ok, thanks for the info May 21 07:11:09 I will take a look. :-) May 21 07:11:48 :) May 21 07:11:49 * nab is still busy with upstream work May 21 07:12:03 raster: I added the LIO-Core target code to kernel.org git btw May 21 07:12:20 target == iSCSI server May 21 07:12:28 hi May 21 07:12:28 good morning May 21 07:12:47 http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/nab/lio-core-2.6.git;a=summary May 21 07:12:58 This is what I am using to connect the iSCSI Initiator client on the OM devices May 21 07:13:15 Which reminds me, I better get back to cleanup work. May 21 07:13:15 :-) May 21 07:13:36 morning May 21 07:13:40 * nab waves May 21 07:13:47 openmoko: 03walkingice 07org.openmoko.april-update * r04e4248c0b36 10/packages/packagekit/packagekit_git.bb: Add PR of packagekit to trigger rebuild May 21 07:13:49 :-) May 21 07:13:59 still working the compilation May 21 07:14:23 anyone can give me some help about building application with the toolchain? May 21 07:15:54 oooh - who is walkingice? May 21 07:16:12 * ScaredyCat doesn't do that sort of thing May 21 07:16:44 * rwhitby notes that git->IRC is now working :-) May 21 07:16:44 that would have ben so much funnier if I'd read the name properly and not as 'walking on ice' May 21 07:16:59 i have tried to build the sample application but it gives me the error of libtool cannot find the library /space/fic/openmoko-dailty/neo1973......./libpangoft2-1.0.la May 21 07:17:15 well, i had to restart it again May 21 07:17:31 but it's going on May 21 07:17:47 * ScaredyCat tooo May 21 07:17:56 * ScaredyCat blames XorA|gone May 21 07:19:44 rwhitby: Yeah, git is fun May 21 07:19:45 :-) May 21 07:20:16 * nab hopes that the OM codebase makes it into lxr too May 21 07:20:34 Who did Andy Green say we need to bug for that..? May 21 07:21:03 Linux Cross Reference is seriously one of the best methods to grok a large codebase quickly May 21 07:21:12 At least for the C code. :-) May 21 07:21:16 http://cia.vc/stats/author/walkingice <- walkingice has no CIA history May 21 07:21:34 I don't recall if it worked with C++ May 21 07:21:36 Probably not. May 21 07:23:30 * nab wonders what the breakage on language usage is for the OM codebase May 21 07:23:42 The Qtopia bits are C++, yes..? May 21 07:23:45 * rwhitby 's build is completing, but his phones are still with the local linux user group since the meeting last night May 21 07:27:39 well, kinda C++; I presume they still use their own preprocessor but am not sure May 21 07:28:13 Their own CPP, are you serious..? May 21 07:28:19 hmm - I want "make update" to show the changes - what's the best way for git to show the changes that will be pulled in by a fetch? Preferably the files changed, rather than the commits ... May 21 07:28:38 * nab wonders what mjr means by preprocessor May 21 07:28:57 "The Meta-Object Compiler, moc, is the program that handles Qt's C++ extensions" May 21 07:29:10 Hmm, I see May 21 07:29:15 * nab has been in kernel code too long May 21 07:29:17 :-) May 21 07:29:44 I assume that is for optimizations..? May 21 07:29:44 * ScaredyCat creates a new language from cheese May 21 07:30:22 I don't know what it's for, I'm not a Qt or C++ guy. May 21 07:31:20 Well, you learn something new every day. :-) May 21 07:32:11 git-whatchanged ? May 21 07:32:38 rwhitby: evas_cvs.bb' failed :-( May 21 07:33:28 methril: too verbose. Just looking for a list of files touched May 21 07:33:51 the git-pull gives something May 21 07:33:57 it's not enough? May 21 07:39:21 now, which openmoko mailing list should I send my patch to ... May 21 07:39:27 distro-devel I guess May 21 07:40:34 openmoko--dev-null May 21 07:40:36 :D May 21 07:40:57 * rwhitby creates a makefile target to format and send patches ... May 21 07:41:09 :D May 21 07:42:02 cool, my fixed rebase target works May 21 07:47:31 openmoko: 03rwhitby * r20 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: MokoMakefile updated to access the new Openmoko git repository instead of using Monotone. May 21 07:47:32 * rwhitby pulls the trigger May 21 07:48:08 XorA: I promise to put a better subject and a signed-off-by on my next patch to distro-devel ... May 21 07:48:39 * rwhitby hopes XorA will use git-am to apply it ... May 21 07:49:09 rwhitby: it already applied to OE I could cherry pick it :-) May 21 07:50:19 XorA: please do, and then I'll see if git rebase does the right thing here ... May 21 07:50:25 * XorA wonders how you git-am a Maildir folder on a different machine :-) May 21 07:50:44 XorA: pastebin & wget ? May 21 07:50:58 kinda ruins the meaning of git-am :-) May 21 07:51:25 we need git-search-imap-folder ... May 21 07:52:08 * rwhitby finds it interesting that some people say "git-foo" whereas he says "git foo" May 21 07:52:27 openmoko: 03rod 07org.openmoko.dev * r79f30c28a6da 10/packages/python/python-efl.inc: Fixed bashism. May 21 07:52:40 rwhitby: try a pull now then May 21 07:52:42 rwhitby: git-foo is deprecated May 21 07:53:05 trickie_: ah good, I feel so up to date now ;-) May 21 07:53:20 isnt git-foo so you can actually get manpages May 21 07:53:28 rwhitby: :) i had to force myself out of the git-foo habit May 21 07:53:29 man git is kind os useless May 21 07:53:50 XorA: it is now... but i think they want to move to 'git help foo' usage May 21 07:54:01 XorA: or something like that May 21 07:54:17 XorA: worked perfectly - "make update" fetched, then rebased, and realised that my local committed patch had been applied already :-) May 21 07:54:22 probably, I saw gits internal help improved lots recently May 21 07:54:41 XorA: so this is a nice work-flow for external contributors. May 21 07:55:05 no more NCC May 21 07:55:17 NCC? May 21 07:55:24 enterprise May 21 07:55:25 Non Content COllision May 21 07:55:38 ah May 21 07:55:52 what mtn throws when you add same file two beanches then propagate May 21 07:55:54 or merge May 21 07:56:09 I would have to say this work-flow for external contributors should be enough reason for OE to change to git. May 21 07:56:31 * rwhitby pokes RP May 21 08:17:24 * rwhitby enjoys removing all trace of monotone from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ... May 21 08:19:33 * XorA imagines rwhitby holding a bloody chainsaw May 21 08:21:00 * rwhitby notes that even though the Openmoko configuration management system has completely changed, those people using MokoMakefile type exactly the same commands as before ... May 21 08:22:46 bitbake someshit May 21 08:24:38 * rwhitby is also amazed that the MokoMakefile wiki pages has been translated into 8 different languages .. May 21 08:25:12 openmoko: 03ich 07org.openmoko.april-update * r267461b27186 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb: [qtopia] The images are jpeg now, also install the screenshots May 21 08:25:12 openmoko: 03ich 07org.openmoko.april-update * rdeec1826d4b3 10/packages/packagekit/packagekit_git.bb: Merge branch 'org.openmoko.april-update' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.april-update May 21 08:26:29 .... May 21 08:26:31 Assembler messages: May 21 08:26:31 | Fatal error: Invalid -march= option: `armv4t' May 21 08:27:17 for sorry missed arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: No such file or director May 21 08:29:42 how do I force a .bb to update May 21 08:29:45 from oe May 21 08:33:01 that qtopia-phone bb is still wrong too May 21 08:35:32 * ScaredyCat pokes rwhitby May 21 08:45:28 How do OM sync with OpenEmbedded in mtn? using mtn2git? May 21 08:47:19 ah May 21 08:48:41 has anyone got qtopia-phone-x11 to compile? May 21 08:50:56 ScaredyCat: I got it to compile with autorev, now trying again without it May 21 08:51:38 compiles here, in ASU branch and in .dev May 21 08:51:47 without autorev May 21 08:51:50 for which device? May 21 08:51:56 01 or 02 May 21 08:52:03 gta02, and Im just testing fixes for gta01 to commit May 21 08:53:55 I love how qtopia always seems to wait until it's 3 hours into the compile before it dies May 21 08:54:09 feel my pain :-) May 21 08:54:09 you wouldn't get that with the old platform ;) May 21 08:54:13 it would just die right away :D May 21 08:54:25 hi... I just read the new community update. So we will get the frerrunner in middle of june? May 21 08:57:33 hello May 21 08:58:39 Has anyone her tried out the gps on the phone? and can it be used as a gps replacement for gps's in cars? May 21 09:02:41 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rb808e1932b5c 10/packages/qtopia-phone/ (2 files in 2 dirs): qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb : add om-gta01 support and fix silly bug in May 21 09:03:15 woowoo, commit messages May 21 09:04:39 hmm, is it possible to install the current qtopia-based openmoko to gta01 phones? May 21 09:04:44 bug in...... May 21 09:04:59 and about that, is there yet new binary packages May 21 09:05:07 ScaredyCat: it only sends first line of commit message May 21 09:06:10 teprrr: Ive no idea if it even boots May 21 09:06:11 how's the battery lifetime on the phone? May 21 09:06:20 give ScaredyCat 2 hours at least to make images May 21 09:06:50 ahh, ScaredyCat is working on it.. okies May 21 09:06:51 Sjano: Improving rapidly May 21 09:08:55 XorA: when is that fix merging ? May 21 09:09:03 ScaredyCat: merging? May 21 09:09:23 well, that' in org.openmoko.dev May 21 09:09:33 ASU branch is freerunner only May 21 09:10:11 balls to that! May 21 09:10:34 everything on ASU should be on .dev as well May 21 09:10:39 + some bonus extras May 21 09:17:55 your commit isn;t showing up XorA May 21 09:22:53 ScaredyCat: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=openmoko.git;a=commit;h=b808e1932b5cc01ca53dfb6823d4726ecb5351ad May 21 09:22:59 ScaredyCat: seems to show up in git May 21 09:23:12 yeah, I'm getting confused... May 21 09:23:33 looks like I have to rebuild from scratch.... May 21 09:23:49 I was under the impression asu would build ok for 01 too... May 21 09:25:08 ScaredyCat: feel free to fixup ASU for gta01, but no-one is paid to do that internally May 21 09:25:18 :/ May 21 09:25:18 ScaredyCat: and Im merging most changes back to .dev anyway May 21 09:25:49 rwhitby: is your new mm setup for asu only ? May 21 09:26:28 oh, just looks like 'all' doesn;t to devel image May 21 09:27:09 hello moko May 21 09:27:14 so I have to blow away my currnt package lists May 21 09:30:03 we are close to moko manufacturing according to topic May 21 09:30:04 neato May 21 09:30:06 can't wait May 21 09:30:53 i will be in eu in july so its going to suck as i wont be able to get one in time May 21 09:30:55 *hmm* May 21 09:31:04 maybe there is a distribution center in amsterdam May 21 09:31:05 July 1st is the new May 9th May 21 09:32:13 heh May 21 09:32:21 your joking or has it been pushed that far back? May 21 09:32:29 doesn't sound like it according to wiki May 21 09:33:44 has rwhitby released his new makefile.. May 21 09:36:23 oh well I guess hell appear when the screams start May 21 09:42:46 are all gta01-users f***ed up now that freerunner will be available? May 21 09:43:30 no May 21 09:43:40 but May 21 09:43:41 why would they be? May 21 09:43:47 the devices still work right? May 21 09:43:52 all images are for freerunner - no gta01 images anymore May 21 09:44:06 no May 21 09:44:15 and as you said no one is paid to do sth for gta01 anymore May 21 09:44:31 you being XorA sry May 21 09:44:33 basically, no one has really told anyone wtf is happening.... May 21 09:44:35 however... May 21 09:45:09 org.openmoko.dev seems to be for 01, the asu for 02 May 21 09:45:52 http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HTC_2dPhones May 21 09:45:54 and there are instructions how to convert a gta02 image to gta01 - why would that be if there were gta01 images build May 21 09:45:55 intersting May 21 09:46:00 check out the universal model May 21 09:46:03 runs linux too May 21 09:46:09 I have no idea what will happen once it's released, ie if both will stil exist but the 01 stuff will stagnate.. May 21 09:46:36 because the 02 images are e17 and the 01 ones arent May 21 09:46:50 I don't knwo.. May 21 09:46:52 I give up.. May 21 09:46:55 so why no e17 images for 01? May 21 09:46:59 I'm going into a coma May 21 09:47:49 I think the problem is that the 02 image was supposed to be a kind of "tada!" moment.... May 21 09:48:07 only those with an 01 are saying.. "yeah, but..." May 21 09:49:46 there's been no official announcement about the support of the 01 post 02 shipping. I would suspect it'd still be supported... and other images may be built... May 21 09:50:12 but, yet again, the openness about wtf is going on isn't happening... May 21 09:50:32 but then, the OM point of view is from the other side.. May 21 09:50:38 it's a new product... May 21 09:53:33 josch|nsn: OM has more developers than what is working on ASU May 21 09:54:36 freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * rc7636fbcb709 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): May 21 09:54:36 freesmartphone.org: Vendortelit now doesn't expect a call exists even though an ecam message is received. May 21 09:54:36 freesmartphone.org: Fixed getcallstatus method. May 21 09:54:37 freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * rd80962f0b5f5 10/ (src/modem.c vendor/ti-calypso-neo1973.c): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:gsmd2 May 21 09:55:11 josch|nsn: mainly because I havent added them to audobuilder May 21 09:57:12 openmoko: 03thomas * r4445 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (libbb/unarchive.c libopkg/pkg_depends.c libopkg/pkg_hash.c): May 21 09:57:12 openmoko: opkg: (leak fixing, day 3) fixed final memory leaks fixed reported from May 21 09:57:12 openmoko: running libopkg_test May 21 09:58:06 Okay, so FreeRunner isn't out yet, is it being produced though? May 21 10:00:12 Daemonax: according to topic about to start or something May 21 10:04:02 I get the following error on make setup May 21 10:04:05 error: pathspec 'org.openmoko.april-update' did not match any file(s) known to git. May 21 10:04:19 any ideas May 21 10:06:18 http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalScreenshots May 21 10:06:28 i wonder if the moko parts will fit into that May 21 10:06:28 :) May 21 10:08:25 lokomoko: origin/org.openmoko.april-update May 21 10:10:35 hi May 21 10:10:40 holymoly: are there drivers for the htc hardware? May 21 10:11:05 igor321: yes May 21 10:11:19 gps, camera, everything? May 21 10:11:24 http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalStatus May 21 10:11:27 pretty much yes May 21 10:11:38 universal seems to have the best support May 21 10:11:50 but its not a moko of course with open source support from ground up May 21 10:12:04 so its the same ol' same ol' winux situation May 21 10:12:09 gsm May 21 10:12:09 sorry May 21 10:12:14 will freerunner support external microphones and does it have an camera? May 21 10:12:29 yes, no May 21 10:12:34 igor321: i think i'll get one just for the hackability May 21 10:13:50 roterguru: You should be able to plug an usb-soundcard into it May 21 10:14:08 the 2.5 bus is only output? May 21 10:14:17 roterguru: Both ways May 21 10:14:29 than microphone should work? May 21 10:14:30 ebbe, umm, I was thinking more of the headphone jack, but okay... May 21 10:14:43 there is a mic pin in headset connector May 21 10:15:14 high quality? May 21 10:15:15 mjr: I should have said "'even' a usb-soundcard" May 21 10:15:48 roterguru: the codec is high quality, but I dont know how much noise is put on that line by the internal digital buses May 21 10:16:07 ok, thx May 21 10:16:31 lokomoko: I just did make setup from scratch and didn't get that error May 21 10:17:27 aha - changing from one branch to another doesn't work May 21 10:26:15 * ScaredyCat tried to point that out May 21 10:26:34 * ScaredyCat sulks in the corner May 21 10:27:38 XorA: so the gta01 users wont get dropped? May 21 10:28:02 ScaredyCat: I was driving home work. May 21 10:28:28 excuses... May 21 10:28:38 surely you can irc while driving... May 21 10:28:44 your solution doesn't allow for local commits, so I couldn't implement that May 21 10:28:44 and eating din dins May 21 10:29:00 josch|nsn: well Im still making sure gta01 gets the goodies, see my checkins today/yesterday May 21 10:29:05 so it will be fixed later tonight May 21 10:29:33 yes, you're probably right... May 21 10:29:54 but it worked so I could start building... May 21 10:30:10 in the meantime, make clobber to get a new branch May 21 10:30:18 XorA: good to know :) May 21 10:30:34 make clobber is a bit drastic... no? May 21 10:30:37 XorA: we at #neo1973-germany were curios about this topic May 21 10:32:05 yuss, me microSD->MSproduo adapter arrived May 21 10:32:24 wassat? May 21 10:32:56 so I can put microSD cards in my PSP May 21 10:33:01 M$produo sounds evil [tm] May 21 10:33:02 ahhh May 21 10:33:07 save a fortune on memory for it May 21 10:33:14 ScaredyCat: your choice - wait for later, make clobber, or have it not work. May 21 10:33:19 choose one May 21 10:33:21 sony pro duo to mmc... May 21 10:33:35 * rwhitby does other stuff for a while May 21 10:33:50 * ScaredyCat just ignores it all and continues building.. May 21 10:33:57 muwhahah hahah muwhaaahaahhahahaaahhahahaah May 21 10:34:16 evil cat... May 21 10:34:34 you are a scary cat May 21 10:35:23 * ScaredyCat strokes a baln guy with dodgy eye whilst plotting May 21 10:35:30 * ScaredyCat tries again May 21 10:35:34 * ScaredyCat strokes a bald guy with dodgy eye whilst plotting May 21 10:36:10 hey dudes i've got a question May 21 10:36:27 anybody here actaully posses a gta02? May 21 10:37:00 igor321: 2 of them May 21 10:37:21 yourself included? May 21 10:37:30 igor321: he himself has 2 May 21 10:37:40 aaah May 21 10:37:59 igor321: XorA is one of the more important guys here May 21 10:38:24 josch|nsn: i had no idea ;) May 21 10:38:49 so, yeah, what i wanna know is this May 21 10:38:57 are the graphics stuttering? May 21 10:38:57 igor321: actually there are quite a lot of people already messing around with it May 21 10:39:06 hahaha May 21 10:39:21 igor321: how do you get this idea? May 21 10:39:31 i realise there is a problem with the gpu May 21 10:39:31 and what is "stuttering"? May 21 10:39:40 well.... "problem" May 21 10:39:56 and no it's not "stuttering" May 21 10:40:35 english is not my mother tongue, so i wouldn't know how to express myself May 21 10:40:46 is it like, the "fps" is low? May 21 10:41:38 how's the refresh rate? May 21 10:43:04 could someone not disappointed with the glamo answer his question please? :P May 21 10:43:17 well May 21 10:43:19 igor321: and no it's not as bad as it sounds May 21 10:43:22 what's the question again? May 21 10:43:51 are the fullscreen application graphics "fluid"? May 21 10:44:14 or is it stuttering ;)? May 21 10:44:26 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r826a0e896433 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): python-ophoned: startup fix May 21 10:44:26 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r328d61841694 10/ (8 files in 3 dirs): python-ophoned: add more error specifications, prepare for command cancelling May 21 10:44:57 depends on the amount of pixel you change with every frame May 21 10:45:09 fullscreen motion will never be fluid May 21 10:45:51 so it's possible to only update pixels? May 21 10:45:56 we can moan, we can cry, we can be really disappointed, but I'm afraid the best way to deal with it is to accept it, since there's no way to change it May 21 10:46:22 sure, if you change fewer pixels, you have fewer bus traffic May 21 10:46:30 less May 21 10:46:30 it's not that bad if that's possible May 21 10:46:40 actually it's acceptible May 21 10:46:42 well, yeah May 21 10:46:45 it kills video May 21 10:46:49 and fullscreen animated backgrounds May 21 10:46:50 and stuff May 21 10:46:52 what is the bus bandwith? i wanna do some calculations May 21 10:46:54 and fullscreen overblending May 21 10:47:10 but other than that, you can still slide a third of the screen as a "popup" in or so May 21 10:47:23 please see the mailing lists for that, this subject has been beaten to death May 21 10:47:27 also with hard numbers May 21 10:47:48 ah okay then, sorry for brining it up again May 21 10:47:49 igor321: lists.openmoko.org May 21 10:47:55 read the community mailing list May 21 10:48:03 i will May 21 10:50:08 7M/s, that's megabit right? May 21 10:53:54 openmoko: 03walkingice 07org.openmoko.april-update * r90fd2874a01d 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: py-odeviced changed to python-odeviced May 21 10:55:24 walkingice??? May 21 10:55:31 always good for suprises, this company May 21 10:55:34 mickeyl: Julian_chu May 21 10:55:40 ah, fun May 21 10:55:57 native american indian names? May 21 10:56:06 sittingbear, walkingice? May 21 10:56:53 hehe May 21 10:58:26 ok, git gurus, how can I programmatically check for the existence of a branch? May 21 10:58:35 .oO(roaringhamster) May 21 10:59:11 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * rcda63964997f 10/autogen.sh: zhone: no need for including m4 May 21 11:01:11 chickensoup May 21 11:03:19 ehm there is no ppp support in the zImage of mtd a780 alternate?? May 21 11:03:42 wt May 21 11:05:39 git-branch rwhitby May 21 11:15:43 openmoko: 03dp 07org.openmoko.dev * ra0dcec0e9578 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb: [qtopia] The images are jpeg now, also install the screenshots May 21 11:15:43 openmoko: 03dp 07org.openmoko.dev * r24b5e1b3847f 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Update Qtopia (picture changes) and change packaging of Qtopia May 21 11:16:19 fsck May 21 11:17:30 is that a dupe? May 21 11:17:43 no May 21 11:17:48 just wrong email May 21 11:31:23 when do i know that i have a toolchain for a arch installed? May 21 11:31:27 openmoko: 03rwhitby * r21 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Update MokoMakefile to allow switching between git branches May 21 11:31:29 ScaredyCat: try that May 21 11:36:08 Denkt ihr auch manchmal, dass das Gute an einem Microsoft gesteuertem Battlemech ist, das er manchmal abstürzt? May 21 11:36:27 what? May 21 11:37:10 Vhadel780: -.- May 21 11:37:11 i need more details May 21 11:37:20 plz speak english, not german May 21 11:37:31 and plz stay on topiy May 21 11:37:35 topic May 21 11:37:54 yo May 21 11:38:10 Vhadel780: übrigens: wetten dein linux stürzt auch ab? May 21 11:38:27 Vhadel780: keine software ist 100% May 21 11:38:41 just wrong chan May 21 11:38:48 Vhadel780: ah good May 21 11:38:51 chain May 21 11:38:51 bye then May 21 11:42:58 bae bae baehh May 21 12:05:03 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r650fefdac47e 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: py-odeviced changed to python-odeviced May 21 12:11:17 freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * rfc0cdfcd546c 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Minor test fixes. May 21 12:36:49 XorA: what should MokoMakefile build by default? april-update for gta01? .dev for gta01? May 21 12:38:22 rwhitby: .dev for gta01 May 21 12:38:43 rwhitby: ASU is specifically a stabilation branch for stuff aimed at freerunner May 21 12:38:58 * XorA invents new words May 21 12:39:19 XorA: and devel-image ? May 21 12:39:33 rwhitby: probably to not give people too much of a culture shock May 21 12:39:46 rwhitby: qtopia-x11-image should build, but I havent run it yet May 21 12:39:50 It builds both, but does devel-image first May 21 12:40:04 thats cool then May 21 12:40:19 openmoko: 03rwhitby * r22 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Use org.openmoko.dev by default May 21 12:41:26 XorA: is openmoko-feed known to build? May 21 12:41:42 rwhitby: it should as of checkin I just committed I think May 21 12:41:48 and is it being deployed on downloads.openmoko.org ? May 21 12:41:50 rwhitby: I await autobuilder email May 21 12:42:10 rwhitby: the feeds stuff is a bit in flux so Ive no idea May 21 13:02:58 spyre: ping? May 21 13:03:32 ah, never mind. got it May 21 13:04:13 mickeyl: how far are you from 1.0? May 21 13:04:55 if you mean full framework, that's far away May 21 13:05:09 ophoned goes for a fairly functional 0.1.0 early June May 21 13:05:15 odeviced as well May 21 13:05:39 so after LinuxTag i will release a complete set 0.1.0 May 21 13:05:53 the only thing it can do is do phone calls May 21 13:05:54 :) May 21 13:05:56 but that's solid May 21 13:06:23 i'm aiming for 1.0 around September/October May 21 13:06:31 after a 4 week hackathon in .tw May 21 13:07:31 mickeyl: ah cool, Im on holiday last week in sep first in oct so hopefully I return to an underground world May 21 13:07:47 shit qtopia-x11-image is too big for gta01 :-( May 21 13:07:54 bummer May 21 13:07:59 can you please strip it down a bit? May 21 13:08:04 oh well boot from SD for people then May 21 13:08:09 it would be very lousy of us not to do release it for 01 May 21 13:08:36 and actually i don't care what Michael Shiloh says, this is a must. May 21 13:09:06 mickeyl: I was hoping it would fit, Ill have to find out what is so damn huge May 21 13:09:19 XorA: raster mentioned gtk being still installed May 21 13:09:23 you might want to remove that May 21 13:10:12 :/ And I just wrote my first GTK-program.. May 21 13:10:30 don't worry, there's room on the SD May 21 13:10:42 in fact no one needs to worry May 21 13:10:50 * florian does May 21 13:10:56 why's that? May 21 13:11:05 32M SD card :-) May 21 13:11:09 mickeyl: wait, 1.0 as in, end user usable software release? May 21 13:11:26 .. and waits for a Fox based OpenMoko ;) May 21 13:11:28 summatusmentis: I'm afraid so, yes May 21 13:11:55 mickeyl: wow, that's a lot better than I was expecting May 21 13:13:13 mickeyl: e-wm itself is 7.7M May 21 13:13:16 it remains to be seen whether we can make this, but it's my goal to be able to release a) the framework and b) an image that turns 01 and 02 into a feature phone. from there we can go, but until we're there, i'm not participating in pie-in-the-sky debates May 21 13:13:26 XorA: oh, that's all the modules we don't need May 21 13:13:32 ? May 21 13:13:40 or the theme... May 21 13:13:43 mickeyl: I have no clue, could do with trimming it looks like May 21 13:13:49 mickeyl: agreed, that makes a lot of sense. May 21 13:14:07 testlab was a great idea May 21 13:14:22 I can quickly find the biggest packages and see what shouldnt be there May 21 13:14:33 right May 21 13:14:39 unfortuneately it seems everthing is pretty essential, gta01 will just have to boot from SD May 21 13:14:45 ~praise whoever had the idea for testlab May 21 13:14:46 All hail whoever had the idea for testlab! May 21 13:15:05 ah I can ditch neod if I can find where it came from May 21 13:15:12 hehe May 21 13:15:15 that won't gain you much May 21 13:15:20 xo: everything's stripped? May 21 13:15:28 552K for neod May 21 13:15:30 Nothing silly like that? May 21 13:15:37 hmm May 21 13:15:39 552K??? May 21 13:15:45 why is it so HUGE May 21 13:16:28 it's 47K on my 64bit machine May 21 13:17:00 are you statically linking or what? :D May 21 13:17:15 just building whats in OE :-) May 21 13:17:35 rwhitby make image work May 21 13:20:00 mickeyl: /usr/share/neod/*.png are huge in neod :-) May 21 13:20:10 383K for one image May 21 13:20:21 oh May 21 13:21:04 methril: thx May 21 13:21:51 but not bitbake openmoko-qtopia-x11-image u-boot-openmoko May 21 13:21:53 make May 21 13:29:04 gtk+ and neod now gone from image May 21 13:29:08 down to 58M May 21 13:29:32 excellent, rock on! May 21 13:29:43 5 more to go to keep jffs2 happy May 21 13:29:47 bbl May 21 13:29:57 rm -rf e-wm May 21 13:30:25 :) May 21 13:31:45 does qtopia use dbus, gsmd and so on? May 21 13:32:02 dbus yes, gsmd no May 21 13:32:37 so it talks directly with gsm modem? May 21 13:32:50 yes, it has its own gsm implementation May 21 13:34:50 so qtopia is here just to give something working to the people that will buy a freerunner... May 21 13:35:20 thats marketing stuff I have nothing to do with that May 21 13:39:44 appmanager broken? Requested 'libopkg = 0.1.3' but version of libopkg is 0.1.4 May 21 13:41:51 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r2821e9d71648 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb : remove libnotify and neod not used May 21 13:48:43 RedDog: dont use moko-autorev May 21 13:49:20 XorA: wow ... why not? will have actual builds! May 21 13:49:59 packagekit and opkg are both under heavy development, I set a combo in sane-srcrev that builds May 21 13:51:15 openmoko: 03walkingice 07org.openmoko.april-update * ra03ef51027e9 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: Revert "py-odeviced changed to python-odeviced" May 21 13:53:39 lol who is walkingice?? May 21 13:54:05 you say SD, and mean TF? nevermind, but... May 21 13:54:47 mick says so May 21 13:55:06 * XorA means SD, dunno what you mean May 21 13:55:35 Neo has TF, as far as i heard... wrong? May 21 13:55:48 TF is Sandisk name for microSD May 21 13:56:04 Neo has microSDHC May 21 13:56:32 well, im not interested May 21 13:57:08 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TF <= it's not in wikipedia it doesnt exist - wait I'm neither in wikipedia! noes! May 21 13:57:16 summon my pride May 21 13:57:40 mundane apathy May 21 13:58:12 bah the stence of Nurgle May 21 13:58:41 Don't cry for me Argentinaaaaaaa May 21 14:00:07 stench? May 21 14:00:18 NURGLE? May 21 14:17:25 can I run ASU on the GTA01? May 21 14:17:52 jadams: Not yet I think, but people are working on it May 21 14:18:11 ebbe, good, because I'm supremely interested in seeing it in action. Any videos? May 21 14:19:41 jadams: I've seen one, but can't find it again.. May 21 14:20:06 http://people.openmoko.org/ninjutsu/freerunner1.4.swf that's all I've got May 21 14:33:15 Has anyone tried libusb on the Moko to talk to a usb device? May 21 14:35:48 its gonna be a great 4th of july May 21 14:41:43 wtf .. May 21 14:41:49 wtf? May 21 14:41:55 wtf May 21 14:42:05 XorA|gone: remove any pythin shite May 21 14:42:14 that'll free up about 60 TB May 21 14:46:22 TB?! May 21 14:49:07 TerraByte May 21 14:49:09 s May 21 14:49:15 terror bites May 21 14:49:32 thebombastics bytes May 21 14:50:27 maybe remove some of those shitty games too May 21 14:50:44 terrible terrible May 21 14:50:50 mutter mutter May 21 14:50:56 * ScaredyCat scoffs biscuits May 21 14:53:19 so... May 21 14:53:23 we out yet? May 21 14:53:24 lol May 21 14:53:35 XorA|gone came out last week May 21 14:54:04 whoa.. not that kinda out May 21 14:54:11 that's the best kind of out though! May 21 14:55:10 ok... May 21 14:56:01 lol, but seriously ive been holding on to this sk3 for like 2 and a half years now.. contract is up, im free as a bird minus my moko :( May 21 14:56:13 cl0s: do you read the topic? May 21 14:56:17 no, it's not out yet May 21 14:56:28 he was released last week :) May 21 14:56:33 on a bail May 21 14:56:51 :) oops May 21 14:57:19 im the type to have "extra parts" after building something May 21 14:58:03 "what ar you in for?".... "I killed a man. A man who asked if the freerunner was out" May 21 14:58:41 har May 21 14:59:01 haha @ ScaredyCat May 21 15:00:53 cl0s, you should be laughing with him.. nat at him ;) May 21 15:00:59 *not May 21 15:01:13 nat traversal May 21 15:01:38 haha w/ ScaredyCat* May 21 15:03:03 do any of you have the dev version? May 21 15:10:41 * ScaredyCat debates just becoming a user May 21 15:25:46 W: module-alsa-sink.c: Got POLLERR from ALSA May 21 15:25:47 :( May 21 15:26:09 mmmm.... May 21 15:26:28 do i have to install e17 to get EFL ? May 21 15:26:46 ie is there any way to get/install efl May 21 15:26:49 separately May 21 15:27:38 efl is efl, e17 is e17 May 21 15:28:20 opkg install evas ecore edje May 21 15:28:30 then you have most of EFL May 21 15:28:44 sorry, I menat on my desktop May 21 15:28:53 meant May 21 15:29:02 I wanted to have a little play May 21 15:30:46 ok, got it... May 21 15:30:54 little odd - but there you go May 21 15:31:59 I presume the toolchain will change too mickeyl? May 21 15:32:45 change in how far? May 21 15:32:49 upon what?= May 21 15:34:23 for freerunner development.. May 21 15:34:32 to include efl May 21 15:34:36 or does it already ? May 21 15:35:49 ah, I'm not sure. Last time i worked on the toolchain, it already included EFL May 21 15:36:01 btw - you should tell me if I'm spouting bollocks mickeyl May 21 15:36:07 :) May 21 15:36:24 not at all, all valid questions May 21 15:42:03 on the desktop i usually compile everything EFL myself May 21 15:42:06 wow, freerunner will run qt! May 21 15:42:15 this gives an idea how the stuff is glued together May 21 15:42:18 and what depends on what May 21 15:42:46 besides, with their frequent updates, you want to catch up every couple of weeks anyways May 21 15:45:28 ferric: the gta01 can run it just the same May 21 15:51:22 balrog-kun: yep, right on. May 21 15:51:31 but FR looks like it'll run it out of the box. May 21 15:51:57 Well. Considering gta01 didn't _boot_ out of the box... May 21 15:52:46 lol. May 21 15:56:52 mickeyl: do you use the e17 wm ? May 21 15:57:23 s/wm// May 21 15:57:23 ScaredyCat meant: mickeyl: do you use the e17 ? May 21 15:57:29 s/the// May 21 15:57:29 ScaredyCat meant: mickeyl: do you use e17 wm ? May 21 15:57:39 feck May 21 15:58:04 openmoko: 03thomas * r4446 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/args.c: opkg: strdup the command line arguments so we can free the struct properly later May 21 15:58:48 no, i'm not into e17 May 21 15:59:03 still using KDE and GNOME May 21 15:59:58 mickeyl: was it something important earlier? May 21 16:00:15 spyre: no. i even forgot it what is was now :) May 21 16:00:22 ah, now i know again May 21 16:00:41 spyre: do you know a) how to find out the maximum number of simultaneous calls a modem/the network can handle? May 21 16:01:07 and b) what happens if you try to dial while the max number is reached. NO CARRIER? May 21 16:01:39 mickeyl: I haven't tried that one out myself, but I can check telit's specs when I go to work tomorrow :) May 21 16:01:49 ok, cool, thanks May 21 16:02:14 perhaps it's written anywhere in the GSM specs May 21 16:02:16 but i could not find it May 21 16:02:22 i even read v250 May 21 16:02:28 *phew* May 21 16:02:33 mickeyl: on a related not I noticed that you can call someone, and if they put you on hold, you can call them again.. so you can be on hold with someone and be talking at the same time ;) May 21 16:02:44 ooh, that's nasty :D May 21 16:03:06 I'd call that a feature. May 21 16:03:07 if gsm call control is related to isdn, then it's 2 lines at MAX May 21 16:04:03 mickeyl: btw some communicators supported creating conference calls but the maximum was 3 people (including the caller), maybe that might be related to the network/modem's limit May 21 16:04:09 nokia communicators I mean May 21 16:04:57 yep May 21 16:05:03 that could be it May 21 16:05:08 so 2 lines MAX May 21 16:05:29 i should not overengineer and spend a lot of time to make the system work with an arbitrary number of calls ;) May 21 16:05:53 mickeyl: and also +chld command's details in telit's specs (iirc) always talk about activating "the other" call so it would suggest 2 calls aswell May 21 16:06:15 mickeyl: best get one call to work first ;) May 21 16:06:23 microlith: does one instance of gsmd handle one modem, or all? May 21 16:06:25 (+chld) aah May 21 16:06:27 SpeedEvil: righto May 21 16:06:31 oops May 21 16:06:33 that should be May 21 16:06:39 spyre: (one call working) righto May 21 16:07:04 SpeedEvil: we only have one modem, but that can operate two lines in conference call mode. May 21 16:07:25 Other modems can be attached by bluetooth or USB though May 21 16:07:34 oh right May 21 16:07:43 in that case we would have a seperate phone server instance then May 21 16:07:48 I'm just wondering eventually - not expecting it to work right now. May 21 16:07:55 mickeyl: for a demo of gsmd2 I had to disable (temporarily) some of multiple concurrent call features for gsmd2 just to get even one call to work :) May 21 16:08:03 spyre: hehe :) May 21 16:12:41 what? :| May 21 16:12:52 I was reading the back buffer... May 21 16:13:03 openmoko uses e17 libraries? :| May 21 16:13:57 efl May 21 16:14:04 for the freerunner May 21 16:14:16 but the other toolkits are installed. May 21 16:30:35 hrm... why don't I have an ecas-config May 21 16:30:40 evas May 21 16:32:29 are the -config apps not part of efl .. May 21 16:33:22 EFL gladly no longer uses binconfig May 21 16:33:37 it's all pkgconfig since roughly one year or so May 21 16:33:50 oh...ok, so all the examples are wrong then... May 21 16:33:51 lol May 21 16:34:00 which examples? May 21 16:34:47 http://docs.enlightenment.org/books/cookbook/eflcookbook.html May 21 16:35:07 oh May 21 16:35:08 well May 21 16:35:17 docs and error handling are the two achilles ferses of EFL May 21 16:35:30 other than that, it rocks May 21 16:35:49 is that German for heel - ferses? May 21 16:36:28 heal May 21 16:36:38 I don;t even know it in English any more May 21 16:37:27 heel May 21 16:37:59 oh sorry May 21 16:38:00 right May 21 16:38:03 heels, of course May 21 16:39:03 ok, I don;t have an Emotion.h either :/ May 21 16:39:24 did you build emotion? May 21 16:39:27 it's a seperate package May 21 16:39:35 the order is basically May 21 16:39:41 eet evas ecore edje emotion May 21 16:39:57 oh and embryo before edje May 21 16:40:05 eet evas ecore efreet embryo edje e_dbus May 21 16:40:13 that's what I built in that order May 21 16:40:42 I guess it's my own fault for actually RTFM'ing May 21 16:41:20 yes, like i said, docs suck at this point of time May 21 16:41:29 there's some good conceptual intro May 21 16:42:30 yes. I looked at it and thought.. "OMG! Docs!" May 21 16:42:51 and then reality caught up... May 21 16:44:07 is emotion a standalone bit or do any of the others depend (for functionality) on it and will need to be rebuilt May 21 16:44:08 ? May 21 16:46:00 emotion is pretty standalon May 21 16:46:10 it's an evas object that handles multimedia May 21 16:47:58 k... May 21 16:48:26 it didn't mention it at all in said docs... the others do have a description, which is useful... May 21 16:48:31 lots of reading :D May 21 16:56:01 the only convincing doc i found was http://homepages.pathfinder.gr/kazanaki/contrib/concepts.pdf May 21 16:56:31 ta May 21 16:57:18 Hi mickeyl May 21 16:57:29 So - can I ask you a direct question? ;) May 21 16:58:14 sure thing May 21 17:00:12 mickeyl: Are you guys going with QT over GTK+ because (a) there was too much to do starting from GTK+, (b) the platform itself gave you performance & quality issues, (c) the project got so late you had to try something, (d) some other reason? May 21 17:01:14 that's tough May 21 17:01:37 it's a combination, i try to highlight the major factors May 21 17:01:58 first the disclaimer though, I was not involved in that decision. May 21 17:02:14 but as it stands, i support it for the reasons i'm going to lay out May 21 17:02:46 phone call... bbiab May 21 17:03:42 mickeyl: I'll have to read your answer later :) May 21 17:03:49 Have to go away for a bit, perhaps the evening May 21 17:09:31 ok, here we go May 21 17:10:17 Om analyzed how far we went during 12 months doing a full Gtk+-based smartphone platform May 21 17:10:48 will the freerunner still be supported software wise when the next version comes out? how many (ballpark) will ship? May 21 17:10:49 they found the pace not fast enough to continue with that. May 21 17:11:20 with qtopia on 01 running pretty well, they wanted to ship something that works out-of-the-box w/ the freerunner May 21 17:11:43 since they didn't want to compromise on freedom, they chose to port qtopia to X May 21 17:12:04 with the first bits of added value by our future apps (EFL) May 21 17:12:11 that's what you see in the ASU May 21 17:12:28 is the gsm stuff qtopia's now? May 21 17:12:42 and gprs mux below that or...? May 21 17:12:53 in the ASU yes. Qtopia is still pretty monolithic May 21 17:13:04 it's our hope to use the framework bits eventually May 21 17:13:09 Is there a memory map list for the GTA02? May 21 17:13:12 'kay May 21 17:13:30 having our own framework talking dbus with qtopia/EFL/Gtk on top. May 21 17:13:40 sharing data, sharing framework, etc. May 21 17:13:44 mickeyl: OK, thanks for the explanation May 21 17:13:51 np, i hope that answers it. May 21 17:14:00 Short answer to my question: "yes" May 21 17:14:10 :) May 21 17:14:46 it's mainly a) and c) in your question May 21 17:14:57 but also a lot of added tiny things that led to ASU May 21 17:15:19 but the reality is... in Om, nothing is set in stone May 21 17:15:59 i would not be surprised, if -- once our framework is done -- we shuffle a bit around again and grab the best bits that are cooperating with the framework May 21 17:16:12 thus finally coming to something more durable and sustainable May 21 17:16:18 qtopia is just an intermediate step May 21 17:16:29 and this is all i can say May 21 17:16:31 :) May 21 17:17:14 mickeyl: thanks for the added insight/speculation cause I was just wonder about the future developement as the framework gets created May 21 17:17:40 mmm... efl stuff not defining NULL ? May 21 17:19:58 I still don't get it .. which apps will use GTK and which will use EFL ? May 21 17:20:24 it's all just to confuse ppl May 21 17:21:32 well, so far efl is just pissing me off.. May 21 17:21:38 * ScaredyCat tries harder May 21 17:21:49 ScaredyCat: skip C and start with python-efl May 21 17:22:21 I don;t want to be learning python at the same time... that would kill me... I'm old you know ... May 21 17:22:23 mickeyl: is EFL documented well enough ? May 21 17:22:41 ScaredyCat: python is just about the easiest language to learn :) May 21 17:22:45 CVirus: it's documented ... it's just... May 21 17:22:50 what ? May 21 17:22:55 wrong May 21 17:23:00 in what way ? May 21 17:23:11 hmm, how about pyqt4? if the base install is currently qtopia(4) based :P May 21 17:23:13 not accurate... incorrect... May 21 17:23:22 it's nice and simple, at least for small apps May 21 17:23:37 [20:02] since they didn't want to compromise on freedom, they chose to port qtopia to X May 21 17:23:41 what is qtopia using already ? May 21 17:23:48 fb May 21 17:24:01 and how does this compromise freedom ? May 21 17:24:15 perhaps some apps can't draw to fb? May 21 17:24:20 no wm May 21 17:24:20 hmm May 21 17:24:24 or some toolkits.. no idea though May 21 17:24:25 I see May 21 17:24:27 mickeyl: Do you know of any documentation for building python-efl? I briefly tried and was very unsuccessful. May 21 17:24:44 yup, X related things do not work on fb.. May 21 17:24:50 tomjoad: it should be ./buildall.sh May 21 17:25:04 if not, pester k-s, he did it :) May 21 17:25:29 mickeyl: I wonder why not use QT for everything instead of EFL ? May 21 17:26:04 because EFL has some strengths for graphically intensive apps May 21 17:26:29 Qt is a great and very mature old-style toolkit May 21 17:26:55 some things that are pretty simple with EFL are hard with any other toolkit May 21 17:27:04 mickeyl: i'll have to pester k-s, I thought I had the proper requirements but ./buildall.sh errored out pretty quick for me May 21 17:27:18 sweet - segfault May 21 17:27:34 mickeyl: what's with qt now? May 21 17:27:39 mickeyl: thanks for the suggestion May 21 17:27:47 are we getting rid of the whole GTK stuff? May 21 17:27:49 tomjoad: if all fails, just mail to enlightenment-devel May 21 17:28:16 haha May 21 17:29:11 mickeyl: so, will you guyshave enough time to port Qtopia to X and write some apps in QT and EFL to ship with the FreeRunner ? May 21 17:29:15 guys have* May 21 17:29:40 well, the port is already finished May 21 17:29:49 good to know May 21 17:29:50 as for apps, i have no idea how far the guys are May 21 17:30:02 i'm doing framework and bread-n-butter project now May 21 17:30:19 * ScaredyCat takes a look at python-efl :/ May 21 17:31:02 frustrating / May 21 17:31:02 ? May 21 17:31:15 yes... May 21 17:31:18 hmm May 21 17:31:28 I can't get even the simplest efl app to work May 21 17:31:49 I think the whole e* approach is a gian leap forward May 21 17:32:13 it's important to have something working fast and looking good May 21 17:32:54 one thing with qt is also that it is fairly well documented May 21 17:33:00 exactly May 21 17:33:04 *nod* it will cover enough of the basics to do some great mobile apps. for everything else, we can use Qt and Gtk+. That's why we chose X May 21 17:33:08 and there are a lot of tutorials, a few books and so May 21 17:33:11 we want QT .. we want QT .. rebel rebel rebel :-p May 21 17:33:32 though for example the docs for PyQt4 aren't that great as for the Qt May 21 17:33:33 * zash wants coffee May 21 17:33:39 * zash makes coffee May 21 17:33:40 but they're manageable anyways May 21 17:33:50 * ScaredyCat injects zash with coffee beans May 21 17:34:14 I think python-efl will be a barrier for fresh devs wanting to write apps for OM May 21 17:34:55 let's kill rasterman :-p May 21 17:35:01 CVirus: you can just force them with hash May 21 17:35:16 haha May 21 17:35:49 * CVirus grows a beard May 21 17:37:23 does QT/Qtopia have dbus bindings and how does it compare to the glib dbus binding? May 21 17:37:29 don't take it that serious May 21 17:37:33 * ScaredyCat might join you May 21 17:38:20 zedstar_: yes, better. May 21 17:38:29 [qt ones are better] May 21 17:39:12 mickeyl are ok....so can we assume now that we could write a non GUI client and use qt/qtopia bindings instead of glib and works out the box on ASU? May 21 17:39:48 a non GUI client against what? May 21 17:39:55 well a dbus daemon May 21 17:39:55 or rather, for what? May 21 17:39:58 that has no gui May 21 17:40:06 calling which dbus APIs? May 21 17:40:23 or do you mean a server? May 21 17:40:27 not calling any.....a daemon/server yeh May 21 17:41:00 i think so. the qtdbus bindings are looking pretty well May 21 17:41:11 right now i use glib and was pretty easy May 21 17:41:18 then stick with that May 21 17:41:21 but i dont mind trying qt i dont need a gui May 21 17:41:23 why change if it works? May 21 17:41:46 if you want to experiment, do that. May 21 17:41:49 well i guess its fine if glib will always remain May 21 17:41:55 *nod* May 21 17:42:00 glib is ubiquitous May 21 17:42:03 gobject as well May 21 17:42:04 * CVirus imagines a FreeRunner running a 2 GTK apps, 1 QT, and 3 EFL May 21 17:42:06 poor thing May 21 17:42:08 it's an integral part of the my framework May 21 17:42:17 remove the "a" .. whatever May 21 17:42:20 ok cool May 21 17:43:07 would like to see a comparison of both at doing dbus bindings in C May 21 17:43:14 someone write a blog page :) May 21 17:43:15 is there a documentation what libs will be part of the framework? May 21 17:44:04 there is documentation for each component separately May 21 17:44:11 http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qdbusinterface.html there's an example how to use other interfaces with QtDbus May 21 17:44:35 you can assume everything is there up to dbus. as for other libraries, that's only for sure once the first release is done. May 21 17:45:18 qt depends on glib yes May 21 17:45:20 iirc May 21 17:45:35 well... correct would be : qt can interoperate with glib May 21 17:45:38 though the Qt-way is the correct way to access the dbus from Qt apps instead of using glib May 21 17:45:54 mickeyl, hmm. doesn't qt per default use glib event loop nowadays? May 21 17:46:23 i don't know. but surely it does not _need_ it. May 21 17:46:40 hmm.. May 21 17:47:13 is there an equivalent of something like libnotify in qt? that is about as graphical as i need to get May 21 17:48:35 #2 0x00007fd4a641f9af in g_main_context_iteration () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 May 21 17:48:38 #3 0x00007fd4a9b2666f in QEventDispatcherGlib::processEvents (this=0x616610, flags=) at /home/tpr/kde4/src/qt-copy/src/corelib/kernel/qeventdispatcher_glib.cpp:325 May 21 17:48:43 that's what I have in bt of kwrite(4) May 21 17:49:16 no idea about notification stuff.. kde at least uses its own system May 21 17:51:31 you can show messages with http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qsystemtrayicon.html May 21 17:51:51 hrm, libnotify depends on gtk.. :P May 21 17:52:23 well May 21 17:52:30 libnotify is just a wrapper over the dbus interface May 21 17:52:32 just talk dbus May 21 17:52:47 or are you missing the other side in qt? May 21 17:53:29 yup, at least libnotify/the project which has produced it has some kind of dbus api May 21 17:53:30 from a toolkit choice im wondering what would be the best at display those lil notification type events May 21 17:53:50 Wiedi, that needs systray icon May 21 17:54:21 ive not used libnotify yet so open to try anything May 21 17:56:13 btw, what for libnotify is useful? sending or receiving those notifications? May 21 17:56:34 displaying stuff like "joe blogs signed on" May 21 17:56:35 if it's just to send those, one can create the messages to be send manually May 21 17:57:06 so it does display them? not relay them to the daemon to display or anything? May 21 17:57:37 actually im not sure but im more interested in how to display those May 21 17:57:58 and how it looks in say qt May 21 17:59:04 http://www.galago-project.org/specs/notification/ May 21 17:59:43 so if I got the idea correctly, one can just send dbus messages to some daemon, which will then display them May 21 17:59:54 so there's no need to use any external lib for that, I think May 21 18:00:02 theres dbus-send May 21 18:00:10 just put the object path May 21 18:00:17 its just where you use it that matters May 21 18:00:31 yup. but what for libnotify is then useful for.. May 21 18:00:42 does it provide the server-side/receiver stuff? May 21 18:01:03 afaik receiver side May 21 18:01:18 teprrr on qt though how would result look...how does it implement that graphically May 21 18:02:09 zedstar_, no idea about that.. it depends on the implementation.. but I have no idea whether there is currently any qt implementation for the server-side May 21 18:04:13 teprrr ok....i personally have not invested to much effort in gtk so willing to try out qt as well to see how they compare for this kinda stuff May 21 18:04:16 basically anyone can make some kind of app which claims the interface where libnotify sends those messages May 21 18:04:51 I don't like to use C for gui stuff.. and gtk api docs and such aren't so good compared to qt ones.. May 21 18:05:02 though I'm a bit biased May 21 18:05:21 i prefer C but i did get that Qt book and it looks very readable May 21 18:05:54 just gotta actually read it tho :) May 21 18:08:30 I see :) May 21 18:10:56 QSystemTrayIcon looks ok tho for displaying simple stuff May 21 18:11:30 mickeyl: where is python efl... ? May 21 18:12:56 e17/proto/python-efl May 21 18:13:21 :o... ok ta... :/ May 21 18:15:33 mickeyl: is that in the OM repos or enlightenment repos May 21 18:16:35 enlightenment May 21 18:17:42 ok, just making sure i was using the same stuff May 21 18:24:59 Anyone working with the latest qt builds? May 21 18:25:22 openmoko-appmanager2 is still failing because it's looking for an old version of libopkg (0.1.3 vs. 0.1.4) in its configure.ac May 21 18:27:22 * ScaredyCat sighs... May 21 18:27:35 Oh, actually it's failing right now because there's no libopkg at all in staging. May 21 18:29:56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJY2Gn71HrQ May 21 18:29:57 nice :) May 21 18:31:59 yeah, but you could probably complete a game of chess with the neo's boot time ;) May 21 19:03:57 * ScaredyCat really wishes that bitbake had a 'nice' mode so you could at least do other stuff May 21 19:05:14 mickey@localhost:/local/pkg/oe/org.openembedded.dev/conf$ alias bitbake May 21 19:05:15 alias bitbake='nice bitbake' May 21 19:05:50 will it actually 'nice' the compiles etc though May 21 19:06:48 gah! May 21 19:06:53 more dependancy hell May 21 19:07:04 cython.distutils May 21 19:07:35 By.Your.Command. May 21 19:07:41 is there a python equivalent of cpan ? May 21 19:09:39 ScaredyCat: ASPN/Python is good: http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Python May 21 19:09:58 ta May 21 19:13:00 openocd-native fails in do_patch(). Where's the best place to report this sort of thing? (bugzilla, mailing list, /dev/null, ...) May 21 19:18:07 mmontour: Check the OE bugzilla, please May 21 19:18:16 I'm not sure that belongs into the OM one May 21 19:18:38 fuck this... it's just one bit of crap after another... May 21 19:18:51 ScaredyCat: What are you trying to do? May 21 19:19:02 use python May 21 19:19:04 2086 of 6189... May 21 19:19:06 *sigh* May 21 19:19:08 pyhton efl May 21 19:19:12 ouch May 21 19:19:27 Oh, that was Sup3rkiddo May 21 19:19:29 I can't even 'build' the examples. May 21 19:19:30 I didn't notice May 21 19:20:00 abraxa_, it wasn't me..it wasn't me! i didn't do it May 21 19:20:14 ScaredyCat: Maybe some folks in #e can help? May 21 19:20:42 abraxa_: but OM now has its own git repository. Do the OE folks want us filing entries in their bugzilla about the OM repo? May 21 19:20:45 I can't be arese, it's fucked me off now May 21 19:20:48 arsed May 21 19:21:10 mmontour: Oh, I didn't realize we forked OE once again... in that case, yeah, OM bugzilla May 21 19:21:12 ScaredyCat: Where do you host your images? May 21 19:21:29 ScaredyCat: And you've got BT keyboards working right? May 21 19:21:38 http://buildhost.automated.it/ May 21 19:21:43 yes May 21 19:21:48 bbiab May 21 19:22:36 ScaredyCat: http://xkcd.com/353/ :) May 21 19:23:08 mmontour nope please fill them in the om bugtracker May 21 19:23:29 only few oe developer have access to the om git tree May 21 19:27:23 ScaredyCat: Do you just dump the modules into /lib/modules? For BT and Wifi support? May 21 19:45:39 mmontour: hahah May 21 20:45:14 Hello, everyone. May 21 20:46:08 I see a great news about big software update (asu)... May 21 20:46:34 ...but it has kernel for gta02... did anyone get it to work on gta01? May 21 20:53:09 not openmoko inc May 21 20:53:25 pavelm: asu is a software snapshot for the gta02 May 21 20:53:54 :-(. I kind of hoped someone would port it to gta01.. May 21 20:54:18 i think that someone is doing it, but is not "official" May 21 20:54:21 pavelm: I got it to boot (I wouldn't say "work") on GTA01 using a regular GTA01 kernel. You have to mount the GTA02 image with mtdram and make a new .jffs2 using the GTA01's parameters May 21 20:54:24 I might be wrong, but I think the qtopia-x11-image might actually be ASU if it actually compiled... Which it didn't for me. ;( May 21 20:54:57 I just got an openmoko-qtopia-x11-image to build (few minutes ago), but I'm at work and won't be able to test it until later. May 21 20:56:07 O-o May 21 20:56:13 It failed for me last night. May 21 20:56:16 mmontour: good luck with that. May 21 20:56:26 mmontour, If you don't mind linking I'd happily test it. :D May 21 20:57:28 btw... can anyone recommend good images for navigation? May 21 20:57:57 ...I got tangogps to work with gllin on scaredycat's image, but I've overwritten that image now.... May 21 20:58:42 balrog-kun: mayi ask u some questions on emulating gta02 with asu images? May 21 21:01:28 malik1972: sure May 21 21:01:33 although gta02 isn't emulated May 21 21:02:47 malik1972: do i know you from DALnet btw? May 21 21:04:58 kdean06: Sorry, I don't have a convenient place to host the image May 21 21:05:23 I can give you one. :) May 21 21:05:24 pavelm: there's nothing to port May 21 21:05:34 pavelm: the rootfs is not for gta01 or gta02 May 21 21:06:02 just leave the kernel and u-boot you have on the device and flash the new rootfs and i don't see why it wouldn't boot May 21 21:06:08 I'll just take that as a "No". :) May 21 21:06:12 unless they artifficially broke it May 21 21:06:25 balrog-kun: GTA02's flash has a different eraseblock size May 21 21:06:28 I'll try building one. Did you use MokoMakefile (the new one?) May 21 21:07:02 mmontour: ok, then you'd need to flash the contents of the rootfs instead of the image raw May 21 21:07:11 which might be even easier May 21 21:08:01 Yes, the newest MokoMakefile. packagekit needs a bit of kicking - change configure.ac to want libopkg 0.1.4, and add to its EXTRA_OECONF: --disable-docbook-docs --disable-gtk-doc May 21 21:09:07 tomjoad: what's up? May 21 21:09:45 balrog-kun: no, i am new to irc, here we go: May 21 21:10:27 k-s: I tried building python-efl a couple days ago and was not successful. Do you know if there are any guides on building it? May 21 21:11:15 balrog-kun: i used the mokofile for gta01 qemu-arm emulation http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Using_QEMU_with_MokoMakefile May 21 21:11:24 k-s: i would ask for help right now but I am at work May 21 21:12:16 balrog-kun: now i want to switch to gta02 emulation, abraxa told u yesterday about the error message/warning i got May 21 21:13:04 malik1972: there is no gta02 emulation May 21 21:13:13 kdean06: sorry, missed your comment about having a place to host the image. Sure, send me the details and I'll upload it. May 21 21:13:40 balrog-kun: using the installation with the mokofile i download rootfs, kernel and uboot, did some symbolic links, flash in nand and start emulation May 21 21:14:01 balrog-kun: gta02 fake emulation May 21 21:14:32 tomjoad: i never tried to cross compile it, but at least for maemo people build it fine May 21 21:14:42 tomjoad: u need to send me the error, but should build fine May 21 21:14:49 malik1972: ok May 21 21:14:56 tomjoad: u just need to install BOTH Pyrex AND Cython May 21 21:15:16 tomjoad: because cython is a fork of pyrex, but the standard build engine just knows about pyrex May 21 21:15:31 balrog-kun: they have different nand space and different partitions, so i changed them in flash.sh May 21 21:15:47 k-s: I'm actually just trying to build it for my desktop for right now, I don't have a device yet so I was just trying to get it to play with it May 21 21:16:08 tomjoad: so it might be the problem May 21 21:16:14 balrog: will not gta01 kernel expect gta01 modules in /lib/modules, or something like that? May 21 21:16:14 balrog-kun: but without success... how u succeeded? May 21 21:16:54 malik1972: the gta02 fake uses the same partition layout as gta01 May 21 21:17:01 gta02 fake is not gta 02 May 21 21:17:30 pavelm: hmm yes, although everything crucial should be built-in May 21 21:17:37 anyone tried pypy (python written in python) ? I'm wondering about performance gain and memory use .. May 21 21:17:40 i never remember about modules becuase i use non-modular kernels May 21 21:18:11 k-s: I'll try installing pyrex and give it another shot. though the error I was getting was something indicating that a file was missing. iirc it was looking for evas/evas.c May 21 21:18:37 tomjoad: so that's the error, missing pyrex May 21 21:18:39 balrog-kun: ok, i also tried it with the gta01 layout without success, used the files from http://downloads.openmoko.org/asu/ May 21 21:19:04 k-s: ok, thanks May 21 21:19:33 balrog-kun: do i need a patched kernel which is mentioned in the svn README? May 21 21:20:06 malik1972: you don't currently need the patched kernel for anything special May 21 21:20:49 malik1972: you used a gta01 kernel with the gta01 emulation, right? May 21 21:20:54 and gta01 u-boot May 21 21:21:25 Does the ASU releave have icons to go with it? May 21 21:22:25 balrog-kun: no... what is the right combination? asu-gta02 rootfs + gta01 kernel + gta01 uboot? May 21 21:23:17 malik1972: well, let's get it straight May 21 21:23:21 malik1972: qemu-neo1973 is a gta01 May 21 21:23:35 on a gta01 you need to always use a gta01 u-boot and gta01 kernel May 21 21:23:47 the rootfs is device-agnostic (mostly) May 21 21:24:07 you can boot the debian rootfs, the ASU rootfs, the openmoko rootfs May 21 21:24:12 can't you just untar the rootfs ? May 21 21:24:19 onto th sd May 21 21:24:50 looks good:-) May 21 21:26:39 no, kernel panic - not syncing: no init found. Try passing init=option to kernel May 21 21:27:12 Does anyone know the "bitbake" command to bitbake the same sort of thing as http://downloads.openmoko.org/asu/ ? I had been doing 'bitbake openmoko-devel-image' before. May 21 21:29:52 will try it tomorrow again, many thanx for the above hint May 21 21:33:20 (am I back?) May 21 21:33:23 paulproteus: 'make openmoko-qtopia-image' (or bitbake instead of make if you do not use the OpenMoko Makefile) ? May 21 21:33:54 I'm using bitbake, and I'm actually trying to target a different phone. (-: May 21 21:34:30 ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'openmoko-qtopia-image' (but '[]' DEPENDS on or otherwise requires it) May 21 21:37:14 paulproteus: I bet you are using openembedded metadata and not openembedded metadata available in OpenMoko ;) May 21 21:37:30 I think you're right - what's the OM METADATA_BRANCH called? May 21 21:38:23 Or rather, what's the right "mtn ... pull" command to pull that branch? May 21 21:41:46 paulproteus: I think I used the OpenMoko Makefile 'make setup' iirc May 21 21:42:07 I found http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenEmbedded and that seems like it might help. May 21 21:45:36 mtn is dead long live git May 21 21:45:42 Is OM using git (yet)? May 21 21:45:47 yes May 21 21:46:06 "All I want" is to bitbake what OM built in some reasonable fashion, and fiddle with the Qtopia stack they have until it works on my HTC Magician. May 21 21:46:18 I'm used to bitbaking and usng mtn to track OpenEmbedded. May 21 21:46:30 I'm open to other plans that are more likely to succeed. (-: May 21 21:46:59 use the makefile then May 21 21:47:05 much easier... May 21 21:47:12 Hello, scaredycat! May 21 21:47:19 or pull it manually.. May 21 21:47:23 lo pavelm May 21 21:47:45 Do you have checkfastcharge in your images? May 21 21:48:10 mmm.. no May 21 21:48:19 you should, it is very very useful ;-) May 21 21:48:31 ScaredyCat, Cool, I'll try that. May 21 21:48:41 I know... but it has a lot of deps (large in size) May 21 21:48:53 ...and btw thanks for tangogps pointer.... it works really well. May 21 21:48:56 you mean python? May 21 21:49:03 paulproteus: even if you only use it for setting up it's useful May 21 21:49:26 ScaredyCat, Great, thanks for that. May 21 21:49:48 checkfastcharge is python and has deps... May 21 21:50:02 I suppose it'd be fairly easy to whip up a c version May 21 21:50:06 ScaredyCat, What phone(s) do you build for? May 21 21:50:23 gta01 and occasionsally 02 May 21 21:50:30 ...it makes openmoko useful when there's no computer around. May 21 21:54:18 hmm, gta01 has now "turn on wifi" in its power menu. Unfortunately it does not work :-). May 21 21:54:38 Yeah, it's been there for a bit. :S May 21 21:54:52 It appeared when the removed the ability to manually suspend. May 21 21:55:07 kdean06, Kevin Dean? May 21 21:55:11 :D May 21 21:55:13 Asheesh Laroia, pleased to meet you. (-: May 21 21:55:19 Ah May 21 21:55:21 I know you! May 21 21:55:36 Precisely! (-: May 21 21:55:59 he's actually clone 06 May 21 21:56:05 Oh, my. May 21 22:01:07 "Naughty Programmer!!! SPANK SPANK SPANK Now go fix your code!" May 21 22:01:14 Booting failed on that one, mmontour May 21 22:01:27 Not responsive to SSH and X doesn't load at boot. May 21 22:02:10 kdean06: it was more funny in #qtopia than here ;) May 21 22:02:26 Yeah. :S May 21 22:02:45 I can tell that... I didn't feel stupid for pasting it here. :D May 21 22:05:45 I did get to see the wonderful... Boot screen. I wonder who's idea THAT was. May 21 22:08:32 how can I get recent openmoko to suspend? May 21 22:08:48 I did select "dim first, then lock".... May 21 22:09:01 Set the power management to "Dim first them lock" and let it sit for like... 6 minutes. May 21 22:09:12 6 minutes? Aha, okay, I did not wait that long. May 21 22:09:20 Can it take calls in that mode? May 21 22:09:31 Last I knew, no. May 21 22:09:39 take the battery out :) May 21 22:09:44 Well... May 21 22:10:13 For any useable sense, no. It actually did react to incoming calls in suspend, it just choked and died at the same time. May 21 22:10:39 ScaredyCat: Now that you mention it... yes, it would be nice to finally get power to work, so that I would not have to remove battery each time. May 21 22:12:43 how far is gta02 from shipping? it should have been sometime around now iirc. May 21 22:14:10 Nobody's giving dates but I'm getting the impression in several weeks, while the distribution centers are receiving them. Though, I recall mention that the shipping method would affect it by a matter of weeks. May 21 22:14:40 And I'm not sure they've decided on what to do yet, so I'm not sure even they can give you a timeframe. May 21 22:17:08 Has someone built the Qt X11 image for GTA01 yet? May 21 22:17:57 Yes, but it doesn't boot. :) May 21 22:18:02 Shucks. May 21 22:18:14 What about with a regular kernel + modules? May 21 22:18:19 But the new qtopia rootfs? May 21 22:18:28 Or maybe I misunderstand what doesn't boot about it. May 21 22:18:36 it's the rootfs that fails. I'm getting ecore errors, I think. :P May 21 22:19:00 Hmm. May 21 22:19:04 I beleive the new bootsplash is Exquisite, that works. It's when it loads X that it fails. May 21 22:19:15 Oh, that's a shame. May 21 22:19:17 I wonder why. May 21 22:19:22 I'm using a rootfs built today with the 19 May 2009 kernel from the official buildhost. May 21 22:19:32 Whoa! 2009!@ May 21 22:19:37 2008. :) May 22 01:55:21 openmoko: 03tick * r4447 10/developers/tick/Test_env_script_GTA02A5/projectdiff.sh: adding a projectdiff script for Testing Team people May 22 02:34:49 HI every one, any help regarding "l/linux-openmoko_2.6.24+git.bb" May 22 02:34:53 i am getting an error May 22 02:35:02 NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 1381 tasks of which 1374 didn't need to be rerun and 1 failed. May 22 02:35:03 ERROR: '/tc/moko/openembedded/packages/linux/linux-openmoko_2.6.24+git.bb' failed May 22 02:35:03 make: *** [openmoko-devel-image] Error 1 May 22 02:35:21 i cannot find linux-openmoko.... on download.openmoko.... May 22 02:35:24 any help? May 22 02:48:47 hi every body May 22 02:48:54 please if you can help regarding May 22 02:49:18 do_unpack error for /linux-openmoko_2.6.24+git.bb May 22 02:57:07 al_: have you changed over to the git repo? it's fixed there. May 22 02:58:20 * raster ponders how people can use the git repo when several bits just dont even build May 22 02:58:24 rwhitby: you mean, to update the mokomakefile and start compilation again? May 22 02:59:00 raster: both org.openmoko.dev and org.openmoko.april-update built for me from scratch from the git repo overnight ... May 22 02:59:18 XorA|gone did a lot of work yesterday to ensure that is the case. May 22 02:59:35 (use sane-srcrevs, not moko-autorev, of course) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu May 22 02:59:57 2008