**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 31 02:59:57 2008
May 31 03:32:17 <khimera2000_> helloooo
May 31 03:37:14 <khimera2000_> helloooo
May 31 04:33:31 <wurp2|away> mwester: at+cusd=1
May 31 04:34:57 <wurp2|away> mwester: But I think it only works in the raw at mode; not in libgsmd-tool -m atcmd
May 31 06:45:26 <Hopscotch> good morning
May 31 08:47:04 <bkruse> ScaredyCat: you here?
May 31 08:47:10 <bkruse> I got some really cool news about the iax2 stuff
May 31 08:47:48 <bkruse> ScaredyCat: I will be on tomorrow. Want to talk about freerunner images, your progress on everything, etc. PM me or email me : admteamkruz@gmail.com. see ya!
May 31 10:54:09 <methril> morning
May 31 11:20:03 <BBishop> is the freerunner the final hardware version ?
May 31 11:20:15 <BBishop> ( I mean .. is it for consumer use ? )
May 31 11:22:57 <mjr> Well. Presumably yes if the software will evolve sufficiently before they release a followup hardware...
May 31 11:23:51 <BBishop> but even if they release a followup hardware .. the software could be updated on the freerunner .. right ?
May 31 11:25:33 <mjr> of course
May 31 11:25:54 <mjr> especially as it seems that the gta03 will eventually be very much like the gta02
May 31 11:26:22 <BBishop> already plans for gta03 ?
May 31 11:34:39 <raboof> hm, some interesting innovations on the onscreen keybd front there
May 31 11:39:26 <tomboy64> does anyone know of mini-usb-sticks?
May 31 11:39:33 <tomboy64> any brand-names?
May 31 11:39:57 <tomboy64> i don't wanna be taking a mini-usb-standard-usb-adapter around me ...
May 31 11:41:55 <mjr> I doubt there are
May 31 11:44:07 <ohin> I am wondering for long time, what 'gta' in 'gta0x' stands for
May 31 11:50:40 <ike> tomboy64: pqi has some mini-usb-sticks.
May 31 11:52:31 <zash> ohin: i wonder about that too
May 31 11:53:26 <cyrilRomain> ohin, zash : 'geek telephone anywhere' ? ;)
May 31 11:53:31 <zash> haha
May 31 11:56:55 <tomboy64> ike: still can't find anything :-/
May 31 11:58:22 <zash> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA
May 31 11:58:23 <zash> aha
May 31 11:59:23 <ohin> GTA03: cancelled ?
May 31 11:59:40 <ohin> zash: thx
May 31 11:59:42 <methril> :O
May 31 11:59:45 <ath> GTA04: planning?
May 31 11:59:58 <methril> is JosCH a core team?
May 31 12:00:01 <BBishop> lol ?
May 31 12:00:29 <methril> is the one who wrote that entry
May 31 12:03:03 <ike> tomboy64: http://www.pqi.com.tw/product2.asp?oid=163&catE1=163&PROID=344 ?
May 31 12:04:11 <tomboy64> holy **** - how tiny is that?!?
May 31 12:06:09 <ike> :-) finger-nail size.
May 31 12:06:22 <ike> More or less - like a penny.
May 31 12:13:41 <zedstar_> here is a good addition to your freerunner ;) http://www.geekstuff4u.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=&products_id=736
May 31 13:30:29 <Lucas-> hi, i am having some issues connecting my openmoko over usb to my debian box
May 31 13:30:40 <Lucas-> cu -l /dev/ttyACM0
May 31 13:30:40 <Lucas-> cu: open (/dev/ttyACM0): No such file or directory
May 31 13:30:40 <Lucas-> cu: /dev/ttyACM0: Line in use
May 31 13:30:43 <Lucas-> any ideas?
May 31 13:31:55 <zash> sudo lsof | grep ttyACM0
May 31 13:32:27 <Lucas-> nothing returned
May 31 13:33:22 <zash> is there even a file?
May 31 13:33:25 <Lucas-> nope
May 31 13:33:28 <Lucas-> doesn't exits
May 31 13:33:31 <Lucas-> exist*
May 31 13:33:39 <zash> huh
May 31 13:33:55 <Lucas-> ls -la /dev/ttyA*
May 31 13:33:55 <Lucas-> ls: /dev/ttyA*: No such file or directory
May 31 13:34:03 <zash> ls /dev/ttyUSB? then?
May 31 13:34:20 <Lucas-> nope
May 31 13:34:35 <Lucas-> there is /dev/tty -> /dev/tty63
May 31 13:34:48 <Lucas-> and then some ttyp1->10
May 31 13:34:58 <Lucas-> and some ttyS1->4
May 31 13:35:06 <zash> ttyS? is serial ports
May 31 13:35:17 <Lucas-> ok
May 31 13:35:38 <zash> usb-stuffs usualy attach to ttyUSB*
May 31 13:36:33 <Lucas-> how can i tell what it is attaching to?
May 31 13:36:37 <Lucas-> tailing syslog?
May 31 13:45:10 <wurp2|away> Lucas: You booted the neo to the boot menu, and AUXed down to "connect over usb" or whatever it is, then selected it via POWER?
May 31 14:35:06 <saurabh1403> *saurabh says hello
May 31 14:36:15 <Lucas-> <wurp2|away> Lucas: You booted the neo to the boot menu, and AUXed down to "connect over usb" or whatever it is, then selected it via POWER?
May 31 14:36:15 <Lucas-> yes
May 31 15:02:35 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03tick * r4465 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg.c: opkg.c moving the sig_file_name into the section of HAVE_GPGME
May 31 15:07:45 <PBeck> ahoi :)
May 31 15:09:08 <Lucas-> hi
May 31 15:09:54 <Lucas-> after setting my neo to usb in the boot menu and then plugging the usb cable in 
May 31 15:10:00 <Lucas-> i get the error in debian :
May 31 15:10:00 <Lucas-> cu -l /dev/ttyACM0
May 31 15:10:00 <Lucas-> cu: open (/dev/ttyACM0): No such file or directory
May 31 15:10:00 <Lucas-> cu: /dev/ttyACM0: Line in use
May 31 15:10:06 <Lucas-> any ideas anyone?
May 31 15:10:29 <abraxa__> Lucas-: Does /dev/ttyACM0 even exist on the host?
May 31 15:10:33 <Lucas-> (i have no /dev/ttyA* or /dev/ttyusb ?)
May 31 15:10:35 <Lucas-> no
May 31 15:10:37 <Lucas-> not there
May 31 15:10:52 <abraxa__> Then you're missing the kernel modules for it, I'd say (or didn't load them)
May 31 15:10:58 <Lucas-> ah
May 31 15:11:03 <Lucas-> you know which specific?
May 31 15:11:07 <Lucas-> cos i'll just recompile
May 31 15:11:53 <abraxa__> Lucas-: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_CDC_ACM
May 31 15:12:06 <Lucas-> cheers reading
May 31 15:13:30 <Lucas-> # USB Device Class drivers
May 31 15:13:30 <Lucas-> #
May 31 15:13:30 <Lucas-> # CONFIG_USB_ACM is not set
May 31 15:13:30 <Lucas-> CONFIG_USB_PRINTER=m
May 31 15:13:38 <Lucas-> cheers, found in my kernel, recompiling now
May 31 15:13:40 <Lucas-> thanks!
May 31 15:13:53 <abraxa__> You're welcome
May 31 19:08:38 <hever> Freerunner is not out but when will it come ?
May 31 19:09:29 <summatusmentis> soon... we don't know for sure yet
May 31 19:09:42 <Sonicadvance1> -5 minutes you say? :P
May 31 19:11:16 <hever> And when could be the next version hopefully with a camera and other improvements be available ? (Bringing out new hardware versions brings a lot of money)
May 31 19:12:01 <hever> summatusmentis, until august the freerunner ?
May 31 19:12:49 <summatusmentis> hever: we don't know. and the next version will be the same thing as freerunner, but without the glam chiop
May 31 19:12:57 <summatusmentis> glamo chip*
May 31 19:14:00 <hever> what is the glamo chip ?
May 31 19:14:15 <woglinde> grafics
May 31 19:16:00 <hever> the freerunner is really perfect. But for me a camera is needed really on it....
May 31 19:16:26 <hever> When will be perhaps a camera version available?
May 31 19:16:53 <woglinde> hever buy an iphone
May 31 19:17:01 <CM> Hehe
May 31 19:17:11 <mjr> according to raster 03 will have one. When? Who the fuck knows, not soon.
May 31 19:18:20 * CM guesses around the merry Yuletide :)
May 31 19:18:37 <mjr> I'd guess more like in a year maybe
May 31 19:19:00 <CM> mjr: Naa.. Now you're being realistic 
May 31 19:19:05 <CM> ;)
May 31 19:20:16 <CM> TehZorroness: Heh, running on an LFS live cd? 
May 31 19:20:51 <TehZorroness> SATA problems.  had to take out the HD :(
May 31 19:21:03 <CM> Ouch, sucks :(
May 31 19:21:07 <TehZorroness> so yes :P
May 31 19:24:24 <mmontour> hever: "glamo" is the graphics decelerator chip in the Freerunner
May 31 19:24:52 <zash> decelerator, lol
May 31 19:26:10 <CM> Sad but true
May 31 19:26:48 <CM> Hmm.. illume just built, now qtopia-phone-x11 :)
May 31 19:48:58 <SirBob1701> hey guys i was wondering is the free runner shipping with the QT and Enlightenment interface?
May 31 19:49:23 <CM> Last I heard it will
May 31 19:49:44 <zash> wasnt that pre-alpha
May 31 19:49:47 <SpeedEvil> And does Duke Nukem Forever come on the included512GB microSD?
May 31 19:50:05 <SirBob1701> lol
May 31 19:51:35 <Tronic> Hmm.. Enough waiting.
May 31 19:51:51 <Tronic> I'll check back once my current Nokia phone dies and I have to buy a new one.
May 31 19:51:54 <Tronic> C'ya.
May 31 19:52:27 <zash> If its an old nokia, it wont die
May 31 19:53:37 <zash> i think someone in the cml said they will ship the gtk-stuff
May 31 19:57:52 <mickey|ICE971> correct
May 31 19:57:56 <mickey|ICE971> this is what has been released to manufacturing
May 31 20:01:04 <tomboy64> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware/de#USB_Device says the final freerunner will have a 1700mAh battery.
May 31 20:01:10 <tomboy64> can someone confirm this?
May 31 20:01:22 <tomboy64> i didn't find any info bout that somewhere else
May 31 20:01:47 <jamasi> hi, what's the to be expected stanby and talk/usage time for the freerunner?
May 31 20:01:53 <zash> tomboy64: note "Neo1973"
May 31 20:03:01 <tomboy64> zash: so why is the freerunner not shipped with a 1700mAh battery?
May 31 20:03:10 <mjr> it's old data
May 31 20:03:14 <jamasi> as I've senn form dev wiki pre produaction models had some issues with pm. I suppose those are fixed by now, so how much time between forced recharges is to be expected?
May 31 20:04:00 <jamasi> *seen *pre-production
May 31 20:04:34 <zash> tomboy64: that is a good question
May 31 20:06:20 <tomboy64> jamasi: current battery discussion on the ml leads me to believe it to be about 1 day with constant usage
May 31 20:06:31 <tomboy64> from the ml: "Einstein from freeyourphone.de got a Freerunner and started a very good report [1], also if it's only in German (Google Language tools could help you, but I hope that the review author will post some informations written in English here too), it states that actually the battery lasts about 8-8.5 hours in standby (!= suspend mode, so with running CPU). "
May 31 20:06:53 <CM> Did everyone see Dave Neary's post about gtk and olpc and openmoko? http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2008/05/29/olpc-openmoko-and-gnome-mobile/
May 31 20:07:06 <tomboy64> what is olpc?
May 31 20:07:10 <CM> Noticed that he was in here asking mickey|ICE971 about it
May 31 20:07:14 <CM> One Laptop Per Child
May 31 20:07:18 <mickey|ICE971> that's wrong
May 31 20:07:20 <mickey|ICE971> it's a 1200
May 31 20:07:34 <zash> mickey|ICE971: is it decided?
May 31 20:07:34 <jamasi> well, as German is my mother tongue that would not pose a problem.
May 31 20:07:56 <zash> mickey|ICE971, tomboy64: a ml-post from feb says "We are still looking at a number of different batteries"
May 31 20:08:24 <tomboy64> zash: the freerunner is about to be mass-produced. that ml-post is a few days old
May 31 20:08:59 <tomboy64> so if mickey|ICE971 says it's a 1200 battery i believe it :)
May 31 20:09:35 <jamasi> another thing: I hope there will be an easy way to shutdown GSM completly. as I only plan to activate the phone functionality if I either expect a call or if I have to call somebody.
May 31 20:10:21 <zash> jamasi: afaik, there is
May 31 20:10:42 <jamasi> might save some energy as well.
May 31 20:11:17 <tomboy64> i'd be more interesting to get some strong encryption running my voice through it :-D
May 31 20:11:33 <tomboy64> i don't quite trust our secretary of state :-P
May 31 20:11:48 <jamasi> useless If you can still be tracked or pinged via silent sms.
May 31 20:12:04 <tomboy64> of course
May 31 20:12:10 <XorA|gone> jamasi: GSM chip can be turned off, IE power off from PMU
May 31 20:12:37 <XorA|gone> the battery is 1200, 1700 wouldnt physically fit AFAIK
May 31 20:12:40 <tomboy64> jamasi: what's that "silent sms" thingy? never heard about it?
May 31 20:13:12 <zash> tomboy64: encrypted voice over gsm seems to be quite tricky. as ppl on the ml's says
May 31 20:13:46 <mjr> basically you do it over gsm-data, end of discussion
May 31 20:14:02 <tomboy64> huh?
May 31 20:14:13 <zash> or voip over wifi
May 31 20:14:39 <mjr> yeah of course wifi and usbnet are options if available, but if using the gsm network, gsm-data it is
May 31 20:15:39 <mickey|ICE971> yes, there are certain levels of shutting down gsm
May 31 20:15:41 <mickey|ICE971> including "completely" 
May 31 20:15:45 <mickey|ICE971> zash: it was a forced decision. we could not find any manufacturer that could deliver more powerful batteries given our formfactor
May 31 20:15:52 <mickey|ICE971> and the formfactor was non-negociatable ;)
May 31 20:16:06 <zash> mickey|ICE971: ok
May 31 20:19:47 <zash> could one fit AAA-batteries in the '73 or fr? and would it be enough power to run on?
May 31 20:20:09 <jamasi> sorry, had to reconnect. did the webpage about the silent sms get through?
May 31 20:20:59 <zash> jamasi: nopes
May 31 20:21:19 <mjr> no, unless you do a custom back
May 31 20:21:28 <jamasi> http://www.privacyinternational.org/article.shtml?cmd%5B347%5D=x-347-559535 (search for silent sms)
May 31 20:21:40 <mjr> and of course you could run on it, just ask how long
May 31 20:26:31 <zash> mjr: custom back, duct-tape
May 31 20:35:47 <comicinke1> is it possible to ship a remastered linux distro with the phone, from which someone can use utils discribed in http://quickstart.openmoko.org/ by default, and from where the documentation can reference?
May 31 20:36:19 <CM> comicinke1: You mean make a new image by yourself?
May 31 20:36:49 <comicinke1> maybe remastersys
May 31 20:37:54 <comicinke1> http://klikit.pbwiki.com/Remastersys+FAQ
May 31 20:38:24 <CM> comicinke1: Want to install that on the phone?
May 31 20:39:08 <CM> Or build an image with it? I'd say there's easier ways to make your own rootfs :)
May 31 20:39:14 <comicinke1> no, do updates with dfu-util to the phone
May 31 20:43:25 <comicinke1> I told a lot of windows guys from the phone. they are quite locked out, because they fear linux, but are intrested in an unlocked phone
May 31 20:44:43 <comicinke1> and you cannot tell a conservative windows guy: it's just that easy: sudo 	./dfu-util -a 1 -R -D u-boot-gta01bv5... 
May 31 20:45:36 <jamasi> you can. it's actually far easier then to tell hin click here and there and then there and then...
May 31 21:29:58 <comicinke1> jamasi: i'm sorry. you are right. the shell is least common denominator if you don't know the gui
May 31 21:30:43 <jamasi> and you have to type much less.
May 31 21:31:07 <jamasi> if your user is at least a little educated he can also copy&paste
May 31 21:31:57 <comicinke1> if he knows where to
May 31 21:34:13 <jamasi> but I don't think the freerunner is a mobile aimed at the average john dow, but more at the curious one.
May 31 21:39:31 <comicinke1> that's pity
May 31 21:41:40 <balrog-kun> well, the hardware is, the software is not in a state where it can be used by average john but it's aimed at average john too eventually
May 31 21:44:05 <mjr> I doubt it'll be average-joe ready before 03 comes out (if they stick with it this time)
May 31 21:44:27 <zedstar_> i remember connecting my linux pc in university accomodation in 94...was a bit like that...everyone was telling me this shit is never gonna catch on
May 31 21:45:40 <tomboy64> :-D
May 31 21:45:42 <tomboy64> hehehe
May 31 21:47:38 <jamasi> well with kde4 we're pretty close to vista
May 31 21:47:52 <jamasi> (without that DRM crap)
May 31 21:47:59 <comicinke1> wait- but the hardware and battery run time will be quite ok, or what?
May 31 21:48:22 <comicinke1> I mean usable, like 4 days standby time
May 31 21:48:32 <SpeedEvil> As we understand it, with some tweaking, both 01 and 02 should have just fine battery life.
May 31 21:48:42 <SpeedEvil> However - it's not there yet.
May 31 21:49:02 <jamasi> At the moment I refuse to use a cellular phone, but the freerunner will most likely be the first one I'll buy.
May 31 21:49:22 <comicinke1> oh shit, I made to much of advertisment to my friends
May 31 21:49:31 <balrog-kun> jamasi: only if you restrict the comparison to how the UIs look
May 31 21:50:24 <comicinke1> They will kill me. "Will it be usable?" "Yes, of course. Unpack it, power it on, there you go."
May 31 21:50:45 <jamasi> if you take a look at the subsytem then linux/gnu/.. is ahead of windows, yes.
May 31 21:51:42 <jamasi> well for games directx is much better documented though and a more integrated framework, but still sdl is not that bad either.
May 31 21:53:45 <jamasi> and for more interoperability wine is even very close to 1.0 now. and vitualisation (virtualbox or qemu) are also a nice option today.
May 31 22:26:00 <haakeyar> roh: ping
May 31 22:30:38 <haakeyar> roh: Nevermind, I was trying to create an account at admin-trac.openmoko.org. I didn't know that I had to create one at docs.openmoko.org first.
May 31 22:31:05 <haakeyar> roh: (btw, why the strange domain docs.openmoko.org and not bugs.openmoko.org or trac.openmoko.org?)
May 31 22:48:27 <BryceLeo> hey guys, sorry about the obscenely long abscence
May 31 22:48:31 <BryceLeo> what's been up?
May 31 22:50:22 <SpeedEvil> It's not out yet.
May 31 22:50:33 <SpeedEvil> It's supposed to be out soon.
May 31 22:51:00 <zedstar_> ooooh u shud have said it sold out
May 31 22:52:35 <balrog-kun> BryceLeo: nothing much really, Openmoko Inc. merged with Google and Google got bought by CocaCola
May 31 22:53:05 <zedstar_> that's more like it :)
May 31 22:53:14 <BryceLeo> lol balrog-kun so does that mean that google will be stocking mello yellow?!
May 31 22:53:16 <BryceLeo> if so, i'm applyin
May 31 22:53:17 <BryceLeo> g*
May 31 22:53:32 <BryceLeo> yello*
May 31 22:55:05 <balrog-kun> yes, and the bottles now have lava-lamp form
May 31 22:55:56 <BryceLeo> hahaha, sounds great
May 31 22:56:01 <zedstar_> and everyone uses gmail accounts with targetted ads because they no best
May 31 22:57:19 <HauDyr> I have a suggestion: It would be nice if you could see a overview of all the components  (CPU, GPU, GSM) in GTA2 in form of a flowchart or svg diagram on the wiki, i have been looking but i could not find it
May 31 22:57:34 <BryceLeo> flow chart?
May 31 22:58:10 <HauDyr> just some form of component diagram
May 31 22:59:21 <HauDyr> or even better a diagram of the PCB
May 31 22:59:23 <BryceLeo> i'm genuinely curious as to what sort of benefit this would have, what am i missing?
May 31 22:59:29 <BryceLeo> ahh a diagram of the pcb i could understand
May 31 23:00:19 <HauDyr> when i said component diagam i actualy ment a simplified PCB diagram
May 31 23:00:27 <zedstar_> i wanna see the core team in leopard thongs
May 31 23:02:06 <jamasi> HauDyr: are you thinking of something like this: http://wiki.neurostechnology.com/index.php/DM320_Platform_development ?
May 31 23:03:15 <HauDyr> jamasi, more like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_diagram
May 31 23:03:43 <SpeedEvil> there are no circuit diagrams
May 31 23:04:01 <SpeedEvil> Well - there are - but...
May 31 23:04:13 <HauDyr> let me guess NDA
May 31 23:04:20 <SpeedEvil> No.
May 31 23:04:27 <jamasi> too complex?
May 31 23:04:32 <SpeedEvil> AIUI, not even available under NDA
May 31 23:05:05 <SpeedEvil> GPU is connected over a 7MB/s bus to the CPU. 
May 31 23:05:12 <jamasi> kind of contradicts the open hardware approach.
May 31 23:05:14 <SpeedEvil> It has the LCD and SD connected to it.
May 31 23:05:27 <SpeedEvil> GSM modem and GPS are connected to serial ports on the SoC
May 31 23:05:42 <SpeedEvil> Bluetooth and USB port are connected to USB ports on the SoC
May 31 23:06:10 <SpeedEvil> Sound is connected to the IIS port, and I2C
May 31 23:06:17 <SpeedEvil> PMU is connected to I2C
May 31 23:06:30 <SpeedEvil> Wifi card is connected to SPI
May 31 23:06:42 <SpeedEvil> Accels are connected to I2C
May 31 23:07:34 <BryceLeo> speed was all that stored in your brain?
May 31 23:07:37 <SpeedEvil> yes
May 31 23:07:53 <BryceLeo> hahaha, this is why you're awesome
May 31 23:07:57 <BryceLeo> man i missed having time to be on here
May 31 23:07:59 <SpeedEvil> Assorted stuff - battery info, switches are connected to GPIOs
May 31 23:08:15 <SpeedEvil> LEDs are on the PMU
May 31 23:08:22 <HauDyr> SpeedEvil, if all this you said was in a diagram it would be easy to get a quick overview
May 31 23:08:37 <SpeedEvil> Feel free.
May 31 23:09:50 <HauDyr> hmm, maby i will 
May 31 23:10:24 <jamasi> you could do it with freemind or inksacpe, I suppose
May 31 23:10:57 <BryceLeo> ...
May 31 23:10:59 <BryceLeo> how bout Dia
May 31 23:11:11 <BryceLeo> it's a sweet program, easy to use, heck even umbrello is pretty good
May 31 23:11:12 <zash> dia ftw!
May 31 23:11:12 <HauDyr> jamasi, yep SVG is a good way to do it
May 31 23:11:13 <jamasi> or oodraw
May 31 23:11:26 <zash> or, pen + paper!
May 31 23:11:38 <BryceLeo> lol then scan in inkscape and make an svg!
May 31 23:11:39 <jamasi> paintbrush ;)
May 31 23:11:47 <comicinke1> visio
May 31 23:11:51 <comicinke1> ;)
May 31 23:12:04 <BryceLeo> ewww
May 31 23:12:10 <BryceLeo> i just threw up a little in my mouth
May 31 23:12:44 <SpeedEvil> xfig
May 31 23:13:05 <zedstar_> xfig rocks
May 31 23:13:24 <BryceLeo> xfig is pretty cool
May 31 23:13:30 <BryceLeo> a little dated
May 31 23:13:33 <BryceLeo> but gets the job done
May 31 23:14:46 <mwester> Word
May 31 23:14:56 <HauDyr> But anyway, OpenMoko is a super project and i look forwad to using FreeRunner as my phone
May 31 23:15:32 <BryceLeo> i hope you were using the colloquial term "word" as in "i agree" and not as a nickname for "microsoft office word"
May 31 23:15:34 <BryceLeo> :-P
May 31 23:16:16 <BryceLeo> i really started to get excited again with the UI switch that came up.
May 31 23:16:24 <BryceLeo> gtk is just too big 'n slow
May 31 23:16:59 <zedstar_> gtk is ok....until someone comes up with some decent mobile gui apps the dury is out
May 31 23:18:14 <SpeedEvil> GTK is absolutely not the problem.
May 31 23:18:33 <SpeedEvil> A full set of GTK apps could be almost trivially ported.
May 31 23:20:23 <BryceLeo> the toolkit is so heavy compared to qtopia though
May 31 23:20:55 <jamasi> I prefer QT
May 31 23:21:23 <SpeedEvil> Toolkit eight is not the problem.
May 31 23:21:33 <SpeedEvil> It's a 400MHz CPU on a VGA display
May 31 23:21:39 <SpeedEvil> That's not especially slow.
May 31 23:21:41 <BryceLeo> completness of apps?
May 31 23:22:04 <zedstar_> yeh but regardless applications is what counts....palm os has some great apps nobody is gonna claim that is a great gui/os
May 31 23:24:24 <zedstar_> i think gtk/qtopia etc are all pretty good and we got no excuse but to knock out some good apps
May 31 23:24:53 <BryceLeo> i'm currently trying to catch up on blogs
May 31 23:25:14 <BryceLeo> but it looks like the pim applications for qtopia are largely complete and drop ins
May 31 23:25:31 <HauDyr> Nice talking to you all, see ya
May 31 23:26:04 <jamasi> I'm happy if those will sync nicely with kontact or akonadi
May 31 23:27:10 <BryceLeo> i kind of agree with you, but i wouldn't care much if we had to use some home-grown java app as long as it was consistent and worked as well as syncing my treo does
Jun 01 01:53:49 * BryceLeo pings room
Jun 01 02:07:26 * joerg pongs back
Jun 01 02:13:56 <BryceLeo> sup joerg what's keeping you bust?
Jun 01 02:14:34 <joerg> sorry?
Jun 01 02:14:45 <BryceLeo> sorry
Jun 01 02:14:47 <BryceLeo> busy*
Jun 01 02:15:25 <joerg> :-) just reading about 3.5mm earphone issue... lots of specs and papers
Jun 01 02:15:54 <BryceLeo> heh, i've been out of the loop for a fair few months, what's up?
Jun 01 02:16:17 <joerg> see community.lists
Jun 01 02:16:46 <joerg> going to use 3.5mm earjack connector for future devices >GTA02
Jun 01 02:17:22 <BryceLeo> ahh ok
Jun 01 02:18:05 <joerg> really ave to leave now to get me some food - late here (4:00)
Jun 01 02:20:51 * joerg is away: Zur Zeit nicht da.
Jun 01 02:21:03 <BryceLeo> oh jeez, enjoy!
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