**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 01 02:59:56 2008
Jun 01 03:20:15 * joerg is back.
Jun 01 03:21:11 <BryceLeo> welcome back
Jun 01 03:34:37 <joerg> Howdi
Jun 01 03:58:56 <BryceLeo> oops, now it's my time to go to bed, it's midnight here and i have to be up at 10:00am
Jun 01 03:58:59 <BryceLeo> bye all!
Jun 01 05:17:27 <yyl> 請教一下各位前輩在qemu-system-arm的指令下可以模擬 NOR Flash 和 SDRAM ?
Jun 01 05:20:14 <yyl> 因為我加了 -mtdblock 和 -m 這兩個參數好像都沒用!
Jun 01 05:40:09 <zash> Consults the fellow seniors to be possible to simulate NOR Flash and SDRAM under the qemu-system-arm instruction?
Jun 01 05:40:16 <zash> Because I added - mtdblock and - m these two parameters probably useless!
Jun 01 05:40:28 <zash> babelfish ftw
Jun 01 05:46:24 <zash> make coffee
Jun 01 05:47:04 <zash> everyone sleeping?
Jun 01 05:48:57 <amarsh04> not in .au zash
Jun 01 05:49:51 <zash> amarsh04: good evening then
Jun 01 05:50:08 <amarsh04> it is 15:20 local time now
Jun 01 05:50:13 <zash> or afternoon
Jun 01 06:56:26 <Sup3rkiddo> morning everyone
Jun 01 06:58:28 * joerg is away: Zur Zeit nicht da.
Jun 01 07:29:45 <Hopscotch> good morning
Jun 01 07:31:35 <holycow> hello moko
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 01 09:27:33 2008
Jun 01 09:32:13 <haakeyar> roh: ping
Jun 01 10:07:46 <rene80> hallo one question how is ist possible to remove my mail address from the mailinglist?
Jun 01 10:09:40 <zash> rene80: read on lists.openmoko.org
Jun 01 10:14:26 <rene80> thanks it's done
Jun 01 10:40:37 * jOERG_rw is back.
Jun 01 10:42:10 <Ganneff> jOERG_rw: please stop the public away notices, noone cares. thx.
Jun 01 11:06:39 <jOERG_rw> ganeff: sorry, just setting up this konversation annoyance
Jun 01 11:11:29 <jOERG_rw> ganneff: done
Jun 01 11:26:40 <abraxa__> Ganneff: Just out of curiousity: do you really care so much that you're acting as the IRC police here? Last time I checked, joerg was an official Openmoko dev, so away messages *might* actually be useful for some.
Jun 01 11:27:34 <Ganneff> abraxa__: they are a useless annoyance of the channel. whoever wants to know the status just uses /whois nick and can see it. and yes, i do care.
Jun 01 11:28:26 <abraxa__> Amazing.
Jun 01 11:29:25 <Ganneff> and im not irc police but channel op, who cares about the channel...
Jun 01 11:50:14 * zedstar spots a jobsworth
Jun 01 12:05:27 <Deubeuliou> hi
Jun 01 12:05:52 <jOERG_rw> Deubeuliou: hi!
Jun 01 12:05:54 <Deubeuliou> is there a way to see all softwares that will be included by default with the FreeRunner ?
Jun 01 12:06:42 <jOERG_rw> It's the "old" stack that comprises of 5 apps AFAIK
Jun 01 12:06:59 <jOERG_rw> by default
Jun 01 12:07:13 <jOERG_rw> err off factory
Jun 01 12:07:25 <Deubeuliou> does this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Applications show the softwares that will actually be shipped in the Neo ?
Jun 01 12:08:09 <jOERG_rw> nope, it sows what you may install after you get the device
Jun 01 12:08:17 <Deubeuliou> aha
Jun 01 12:08:19 <jOERG_rw> s/sows/shows
Jun 01 12:08:24 <jOERG_rw> s/sows/shows/
Jun 01 12:08:24 <apt_> jOERG_rw meant: s/shows/shows
Jun 01 12:08:25 <Deubeuliou> and what is that stack you mention ?
Jun 01 12:09:04 <Deubeuliou> lol@apt_ :)
Jun 01 12:09:17 <Deubeuliou> s/lol/^^/
Jun 01 12:09:18 <apt_> Deubeuliou meant: ^^@apt_ :)
Jun 01 12:09:55 <jOERG_rw> :-) yep! s/game
Jun 01 12:10:34 <jOERG_rw> OM-AP-framework.
Jun 01 12:10:48 <jOERG_rw> Not Qtopia
Jun 01 12:11:25 <Deubeuliou> so, there will only be core-apps ?
Jun 01 12:11:40 <Deubeuliou> other apps will have to be installed ? via a repo, right ?
Jun 01 12:12:08 <jOERG_rw> yep
Jun 01 12:12:25 <jOERG_rw> at least for the first devices
Jun 01 12:12:36 <jOERG_rw> until ASU is ready for shipping
Jun 01 12:13:48 <jOERG_rw> if I got that right from steve
Jun 01 12:14:28 <Deubeuliou> ok, thanks a lot :)
Jun 01 12:14:28 <mickeyl> yes
Jun 01 12:16:21 <zedstar_> jOERG_rw is that your post in kernel ML about locating via GSM?
Jun 01 12:16:40 <jOERG_rw> zedstar_: YEP
Jun 01 12:17:18 <zedstar_> ah ok cool.....so on O2 in germany cell broadcast gave those Gauss-Krueger values?
Jun 01 12:17:27 <jOERG_rw> yes
Jun 01 12:17:34 <jOERG_rw> hanel 221
Jun 01 12:17:52 <zedstar_> did u figure out the equation to decimal coords?
Jun 01 12:18:13 <jOERG_rw> OOoooo, you have to google for it
Jun 01 12:18:25 <jOERG_rw> it's complex
Jun 01 12:18:31 <zedstar_> hmm yeh :)
Jun 01 12:18:45 <jOERG_rw> there's some tools to convert, even online
Jun 01 12:18:59 <zedstar_> are other providers in german doing those gauss-krueger broadcasts?
Jun 01 12:19:20 <jOERG_rw> AFAIK no
Jun 01 12:19:31 <zedstar_> yeh...pity
Jun 01 12:19:47 <zedstar_> be nice if we could rely on coords from GSM providers
Jun 01 12:20:03 <jOERG_rw> o2 has "homezone", they use it for their fee calculation
Jun 01 12:20:28 <jOERG_rw> cellphone shows whenever you are in "cheap zone"
Jun 01 12:20:31 <zedstar_> i came across http://www.cellbroadcastforum.org/ but exactly enlightening
Jun 01 12:20:38 <zedstar_> not exactly i mean
Jun 01 12:21:02 <jOERG_rw> ahh good, was on the way to give it a try ;-)
Jun 01 12:23:54 <jOERG_rw> zedstar_: give nobbi.com a try. Much of my GSM nowledge from there
Jun 01 12:24:34 <zedstar_> thanks...yeh looks good
Jun 01 12:25:03 <nibbler_de> one could/should build a database of cid/lac and actual coordinates which can be queried online
Jun 01 12:25:43 <jOERG_rw> might have been done already
Jun 01 12:25:54 <zedstar_> yeh there are a few projects
Jun 01 12:26:04 <jOERG_rw> thugh someone considered it illegal
Jun 01 12:26:26 <nibbler_de> jOERG_rw: rubbish. why should it be illegal?
Jun 01 12:26:42 <nibbler_de> collecting publically available information.
Jun 01 12:26:48 <jOERG_rw> dunno exactly. Weird like all laws
Jun 01 12:26:51 <nibbler_de> how can that be illegal.
Jun 01 12:27:09 <jOERG_rw> My opinion
Jun 01 12:27:38 <zedstar_> it is all a bit frustrating....in the UK legally they must allow us to see where all the cell towers are...u can view on a map but no coords
Jun 01 12:27:48 <nibbler_de> there are many people afraid of any and everything. may the rest just use their commonsense ;)
Jun 01 12:28:16 <nibbler_de> zedstar_: same in germany
Jun 01 12:28:31 <nibbler_de> zedstar_: and the bnetza webapp where you can look them up sucks royally
Jun 01 12:28:48 <zedstar_> yeh same for UK one
Jun 01 12:29:00 <jOERG_rw> LOL :-)
Jun 01 12:29:09 <jOERG_rw> wonder why ;-)
Jun 01 12:29:17 <nibbler_de> god save the queen.
Jun 01 12:29:31 <zedstar_> the facist regime :)
Jun 01 12:29:33 <nibbler_de> (from whatever she has to be saved)
Jun 01 12:29:56 <jOERG_rw> nevermind...
Jun 01 12:30:22 <zedstar_> btw anyone tried skyhooks sdk to lookup their position?
Jun 01 12:30:30 <zedstar_> it worked well for me but it is closed source
Jun 01 12:30:41 * nibbler_de puts himself on the couch and watches S04E08 of doctor who.
Jun 01 12:30:44 <jOERG_rw> c't did a test IIRC
Jun 01 12:31:02 <nibbler_de> zedstar_: yup. heard the same. some friends of mine were actually trying to reverse it - but i don't know how far they got
Jun 01 12:31:03 <zedstar_> they employ drivers to go round and log wifi (well so they claim)
Jun 01 12:31:21 <zedstar_> yeh i was thinking why not just reverse engineer or log results
Jun 01 12:31:29 <nibbler_de> it's not that easy
Jun 01 12:31:37 <nibbler_de> you have to do ssl mitm etc.
Jun 01 12:32:08 * jOERG_rw goes preparing other cup of coffee
Jun 01 12:33:40 <zedstar_> im pretty sure skyhook got stuff from wigle cos i uploaded where i live to wigle sometime back and i doubt skyhook drivers went past my house
Jun 01 12:34:52 <jOERG_rw> zedstar_: how should they know of your WiFi-MAC???
Jun 01 12:35:07 <zedstar_> joerg: i uploaded it to wigle
Jun 01 12:35:26 <jOERG_rw> ahhh... didn't ever hear of them
Jun 01 12:35:29 <zedstar_> sometime i used kismet with my zaurus and gps to log AP's
Jun 01 12:35:43 <zedstar_> i uploaded the results to wigle
Jun 01 12:36:03 <zedstar_> im guessing they just got the public data from wigle and sell it as a service with their additions
Jun 01 12:36:45 <jOERG_rw> maybe. wigle should know of some "poison data" in their db.
Jun 01 12:36:55 <jOERG_rw> so they find out easily
Jun 01 12:37:28 <zedstar_> yeh nice little trap
Jun 01 12:37:58 <zedstar_> i wonder how many AP's they logged themselves to how many the borrowed/stole from others
Jun 01 12:38:28 <jOERG_rw> you'll have to go and ask them ;-)
Jun 01 12:39:16 <zedstar_> hahaha yeh i can see that conversation going well
Jun 01 12:42:31 * jOERG_rw says: "bye fellas!"
Jun 01 12:42:53 <mickeyl> cu jOERG_rw 
Jun 01 12:52:35 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r56a67bf86851 10/otapi/ (README org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.xml.in): specs/otapi: update readme, fix docs in GSM.Call
Jun 01 12:52:35 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r2cdedfe0696d 10/otapi/ (5 files): 
Jun 01 12:52:35 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:specs
Jun 01 12:52:35 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: Conflicts:
Jun 01 12:52:37 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org:  otapi/README
Jun 01 14:52:01 <Kero> um. the ASU image does not fit on the GTA01, does it?
Jun 01 14:53:07 <malik1972> as far as i know it did not work with gta01, there are ripped of images which fit
Jun 01 14:53:58 <malik1972> for instance u can find one here http://foreverdean.info/kevin/downloads/openmoko/
Jun 01 14:54:31 <malik1972> the qtopia images in the daily feed seem to be different from asu
Jun 01 15:00:07 <Kero> will take a look...
Jun 01 15:05:58 <LionKMP> Hi! How do I make some test apps (hello world) for moko and run in an emu? I spent a day, installing gigabytes of stuff, bulding stuff for hours, just following docs, and I still have no clue at all :(
Jun 01 15:06:35 <LionKMP> curretly bitbake openmoko-devel-image is running (it was mentioned as an example in How To Build wiki page).
Jun 01 15:08:00 <LionKMP> task 330 of 4358 :-(
Jun 01 15:26:16 <Sup3rkiddo> ~poke
Jun 01 15:26:22 <Sup3rkiddo> ~poke Sup3rkiddo 
Jun 01 15:26:23 * apt_ cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Sup3rkiddo, pokes Sup3rkiddo repeatedly, hilarity ensues.
Jun 01 15:26:40 <Sup3rkiddo> ~poke mickeyl 
Jun 01 15:26:40 * apt_ cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind mickeyl, pokes mickeyl repeatedly, hilarity ensues.
Jun 01 15:57:40 <Kero> that particular image gives me a login prompt -- on tty1
Jun 01 15:58:03 <Kero> slowly, I'm starting to suspect that these ASU things are gta02 only.
Jun 01 16:01:09 <CVirus> ~rape steve
Jun 01 16:01:10 * apt_ takes steve behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams
Jun 01 16:02:00 <cyrilRomain> 8-O
Jun 01 16:02:03 <CVirus> I thing this book is really good http://www.amazon.com/Designing-Small-Screens-Advanced-Level/dp/2940373078
Jun 01 16:02:10 <CVirus> "Designing for Small Screens"
Jun 01 16:24:42 <Sup3rkiddo> lol at ~rape
Jun 01 16:40:30 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rf4425c34c0d9 10/conf/machine/om-gta02.conf: [om-gta02] change the default .jffs2 file to be the summary version
Jun 01 16:40:31 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rd55ee69f1938 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane-srcrevs] Update opkg to 4465
Jun 01 16:40:31 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rb5146f1c57be 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane-srcrevs] Update exposure to 25
Jun 01 16:47:53 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r158d3aa8ce12 10/conf/machine/om-gta02.conf: [om-gta02] change the default .jffs2 file to be the summary version
Jun 01 18:03:01 <HauDyr> SpeedEvil, i have made an svg file of "Simplified hardware component diagram" where should i post it?
Jun 01 18:37:37 <HauDyr> SpeedEvil, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware is now updated with the diagram i hope its good enough
Jun 01 18:38:28 <spydon> HauDyr, nice!
Jun 01 18:38:33 <tedo> HauDyr: nice, thx for the diagram.
Jun 01 18:38:55 <ohin> HauDyr: good, but why it is jpg?
Jun 01 18:39:14 <HauDyr> the wiki complained about svg
Jun 01 18:42:36 <ohin> that is not ok from wiki :-( and have you considered gif?
Jun 01 18:42:51 <ohin> or png?
Jun 01 18:42:58 <zash> png ftw
Jun 01 18:43:34 <cb22> hmm, 16mb of NOR flash connected to the NAND controller?
Jun 01 18:43:39 <HauDyr> you can get it in svg png jpg 
Jun 01 18:44:05 <HauDyr> i think its a NAND/NOR controller ??
Jun 01 18:45:44 <HauDyr> but anyway errors can be fixed
Jun 01 18:56:34 * balrog-kun got hardware cursor working on the Glamo, unfortunately it kills the glamo every couple of boot-ups :(
Jun 01 18:59:28 <HauDyr> balrog-kun, how do you plan to get the rendered graphics from the Glamo to the LCD screen ? as i understand the Glamo is not connected to the LCD
Jun 01 19:00:24 <balrog-kun> HauDyr: as i understand, it is connected right to the LCD (through the LCM)
Jun 01 19:00:39 <HauDyr> aah cool
Jun 01 19:00:46 <balrog-kun> how would the current glamofb driver work otherwise
Jun 01 19:00:57 <HauDyr> then i need to change the drawing
Jun 01 19:01:38 <balrog-kun> HauDyr: the S3C's LCD interface is left unconnected i think
Jun 01 19:01:59 <jOERG_rw> Hey, just ask ;-) got the schematics
Jun 01 19:02:21 <jOERG_rw> yep glamo drives LCM or it's LCD part
Jun 01 19:02:37 <balrog-kun> if you're making diagrams you might also want to make sure where the LCM's spi is connected
Jun 01 19:03:06 <balrog-kun> i'm a bit confused about this
Jun 01 19:03:50 <cb22> yay! trac goodness for openmoko, i see
Jun 01 19:04:13 <HauDyr> its a simplified diagram, i haven't connected (or included) all the components
Jun 01 19:05:01 <HauDyr> jOERG_rw, so there is no connection from the S3C to the LCD only from Glamo to the LCD
Jun 01 19:05:14 <jOERG_rw> yep
Jun 01 19:05:24 <HauDyr> ok ill update the diagram
Jun 01 19:12:08 <HauDyr> balrog-kun, jOERG_rw now the diagram reflects reality :-)
Jun 01 19:13:32 <cb22> if the width of the lines was the busses bandwidth, the glamo would appear to be free floating :p
Jun 01 19:13:43 * jOERG_rw presses F5
Jun 01 19:15:08 <jOERG_rw> cb22: LOL, but sad truth :-/
Jun 01 19:15:16 <tedo> is the glamo sharing the bus with any other peripheral?
Jun 01 19:15:43 <jOERG_rw> glamo controls SD card :.(
Jun 01 19:15:50 <balrog-kun> tedo: nope
Jun 01 19:15:59 <HauDyr> tedo, as i understand the SD card is controlled by the Glamo
Jun 01 19:16:33 <balrog-kun> i don't think 7MB/s is low, and certainly is not lower than most other peripherals
Jun 01 19:16:40 <balrog-kun> i think everyone is just really really spoilt :)
Jun 01 19:16:45 <tedo> Is it a serial bus (what type)?
Jun 01 19:16:56 <jOERG_rw> LCD-control is to be wired up to LCM
Jun 01 19:17:15 <HauDyr> balrog-kun, we just have to make the most of the speed we have :-)
Jun 01 19:17:36 <cb22> well, and 8bpp 640x480, you need 2457600b/s for one update a second (i think)
Jun 01 19:17:45 <jOERG_rw> Ask Raster what he thinks about 7Mb/s for TWO devices, when playing videos
Jun 01 19:17:53 <tedo> :-)
Jun 01 19:18:13 <cb22> Mb or MB?
Jun 01 19:18:16 <balrog-kun> jOERG_rw: i've already heard enough of raster's rants
Jun 01 19:19:01 <balrog-kun> i think he exaggerates about various things and unfortunately he's very good at convincing everyone we're doomed
Jun 01 19:19:28 <jOERG_rw> Fact is GLAMO is doomed ;-)
Jun 01 19:19:48 <cb22> maybe wifi will be faster :)
Jun 01 19:19:56 <jOERG_rw> We're better off without this crap
Jun 01 19:19:57 <cb22> probably higher latency though
Jun 01 19:20:20 <jOERG_rw> cb22: lol
Jun 01 19:20:28 * balrog-kun is just starting to like the glamo after doing some hacking :)
Jun 01 19:21:20 <cb22> well, i hope all of you have learnt your lesson for gta0(3/4), pci-e x32, please
Jun 01 19:21:39 <jOERG_rw>  balrog-kun: if only there were open specs and some drivers...
Jun 01 19:21:55 <balrog-kun> cb22: with hotplugging!
Jun 01 19:21:59 <balrog-kun> and cpu hotplugging
Jun 01 19:22:06 <Sonicadvance1> haha
Jun 01 19:22:22 <jOERG_rw> cb22: yeah and a dual-graphics-card with 300W
Jun 01 19:23:33 <jOERG_rw> Nope, GTA03 will simply use 2442-LCD-IF
Jun 01 19:24:08 <cb22> hmm, i though the processor was being change to the 6400?
Jun 01 19:24:44 <jOERG_rw> Thats for NEXT device, so the plans some weeks ago
Jun 01 19:24:54 <HauDyr> i cant wait for GTA4 :-)
Jun 01 19:25:10 <cb22> ah, so gta03 is going to be an intermediate one?
Jun 01 19:25:35 <jOERG_rw> cb22: if you like to call it this way
Jun 01 19:26:07 <cb22> any possible changes you could tell us about :)
Jun 01 19:26:25 <jOERG_rw> hmmm. 
Jun 01 19:26:48 * jOERG_rw is looking where's the NDA sheet 
Jun 01 19:27:26 <jOERG_rw> better sound for sure
Jun 01 19:27:33 <cb22> case?
Jun 01 19:27:44 <doc|home> is there a better option than the glamo?
Jun 01 19:28:18 <jOERG_rw> 3.5mm connector Nokia-standard. housing: cuuuute (wasn't it yet?)
Jun 01 19:28:43 <jOERG_rw> yep: NO glamo
Jun 01 19:29:29 <cb22> cuuuute?
Jun 01 19:30:04 <jOERG_rw> I mustn't talk about design ;-)
Jun 01 19:30:07 <balrog-kun> doc|home: perhaps an on-chip video accelerator
Jun 01 19:30:16 <balrog-kun> such as the one in the s3c6400
Jun 01 19:30:21 <jOERG_rw> 2442!!!
Jun 01 19:30:25 <balrog-kun> which is still nowhere near the ones in OMAPs
Jun 01 19:30:37 <doc|home> balrog-kun: same capabilities?
Jun 01 19:31:00 <cb22> jOERG_rw: noooo! put it this way, if you had to put the gta03 in front of some normal people, would they start playing ice hockey with it :)
Jun 01 19:31:01 <balrog-kun> doc|home: i don't know sorry
Jun 01 19:31:02 <doc|home> and why another intermediate design? :/
Jun 01 19:31:24 <jOERG_rw> cb22: Nope, for sure
Jun 01 19:31:50 <balrog-kun> doc|home: i like the idea of sticking with the current design, maybe the gta03 will be the most stable device in the series
Jun 01 19:31:52 <doc|home> I'm wondering if om keep using intermediate designs they'll get a rep for that, designs which are lacking in features :/
Jun 01 19:32:27 <balrog-kun> doc|home: the problem is redesigning things and starting from zero in every iteration will make the GTA series never come to stability and low number og hw bugs
Jun 01 19:32:29 <jOERG_rw> doc|home: everything is intermediate some way or another ;-)
Jun 01 19:32:30 <doc|home> I hate to say it but the iphone set a new standard in hardware capabilities :/
Jun 01 19:32:33 * doc|home spits on iphone
Jun 01 19:32:52 <cb22> my nokia e51 does bad things to the iphone
Jun 01 19:32:55 <doc|home> jOERG_rw: sure, but if you design it as an intermediate then are you compromising? :/
Jun 01 19:33:34 <jOERG_rw> balrog-kun: chances are good for "most stable"
Jun 01 19:33:49 <doc|home> cb22: sure, but they're not really close in the same way as the iphone and the freerunner are
Jun 01 19:34:11 <doc|home> physical format wise
Jun 01 19:34:31 <balrog-kun> jOERG_rw: yeah, i like the idea of gta03, by the time it's released, the hw bugs in the design should be mostly ironed out
Jun 01 19:34:56 <cb22> true, i suppose, but when iphone owners get cocky, i tell them to send me a file via bluetooth
Jun 01 19:35:00 <jOERG_rw> doc|home: nope, just pacing down a little to do solid work
Jun 01 19:35:02 <balrog-kun> after that, with gta04, we start from zero again and release a completely buggy device again
Jun 01 19:35:05 <doc|home> oh, so the gta03 is just a revised 02?
Jun 01 19:35:12 <doc|home> balrog-kun: hah
Jun 01 19:36:55 <CVirus> cb22: are you maddox ?
Jun 01 19:36:59 * jOERG_rw is not amused ;)
Jun 01 19:37:41 <cb22> CVirus: maddox?
Jun 01 19:38:04 <CVirus> cb22: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone
Jun 01 19:38:18 <cb22> hehe, nope
Jun 01 19:38:27 <CM> maddox is king :)
Jun 01 19:38:40 * CM will wait for the 03
Jun 01 19:38:57 <CVirus> maddox > *
Jun 01 19:38:58 * doc|home stabs maddox
Jun 01 19:40:19 <CM> Has anyone ever been able to build classpath?
Jun 01 19:40:21 <jOERG_rw> cm: don't hold your breath. You'll never get any device this way
Jun 01 19:40:27 <u_l-lap> I want my gta02 :-(
Jun 01 19:40:41 <cb22> jOERG_rw: by holding your breath?
Jun 01 19:40:50 <CM> jOERG_rw: I do have a GTA01 already :)
Jun 01 19:40:59 <u_l-lap> I lost the rs-mmc card in my phone and now it is a bit crippled (no software! it's just a phone now!)
Jun 01 19:41:20 <jOERG_rw> cm: ahhh.....
Jun 01 19:41:38 <CM> jOERG_rw: :P ;)
Jun 01 19:42:14 <jOERG_rw> cm: :P?? got 2 FR :-)))
Jun 01 19:42:31 <cb22> jOERG_rw: can i have one? :p
Jun 01 19:43:02 <jOERG_rw> LOL, just need one of them for icehockey ;-) other one for tests
Jun 01 19:43:14 <CM> Hehe.. What are you working on?
Jun 01 19:43:20 <jOERG_rw> 03
Jun 01 19:43:27 <jOERG_rw> 04
Jun 01 19:43:29 <CM> Ah, ok
Jun 01 19:43:35 <jOERG_rw> 05
Jun 01 19:43:51 <CM> :D
Jun 01 20:19:22 <CVirus> long time no updates
Jun 01 20:20:48 <CVirus> Qtopia has been ported to X .. which means that we'll be using a full fledged Xorg on the FreeRunner ?
Jun 01 20:20:53 <aggtrfrad> the battery life must have hold them back, mass public release with 20hours life battery doesnt sound good
Jun 01 20:21:09 <CVirus> aggtrfrad: where is that ?
Jun 01 20:21:38 <aggtrfrad> i just heard it hear, it last 24 hours maximun
Jun 01 20:21:53 <CVirus> aggtrfrad: with suspend ?
Jun 01 20:22:42 <aggtrfrad> not sure :/ maybe im wrong but it makes sense
Jun 01 20:22:47 <CVirus> I think we need a better one than the current 1200mAh
Jun 01 20:23:36 <aggtrfrad> this thing is more like a nokia n810, plus the cellphone circuit
Jun 01 20:23:47 <aggtrfrad> of course it has a huge battery, but still...
Jun 01 20:23:58 <mjr> CVirus, afaik kdrive as in gta01
Jun 01 20:27:13 <CVirus> I see
Jun 01 20:28:24 <igor321> 24 hours ain't that bad
Jun 01 20:29:58 <CVirus> 24 hours with or without suspend ?
Jun 01 20:30:18 <igor321> with
Jun 01 20:32:50 <CVirus> igor321: suspend is working in the recent images ?
Jun 01 20:33:18 <igor321> not a dev, but as i've understood it's working
Jun 01 20:33:39 <igor321> there's a youtube video, even
Jun 01 20:33:56 <XorA|gone> heh heh, trustworthy source
Jun 01 20:34:23 <igor321> what could be more thrustworhy than video
Jun 01 20:35:14 <XorA|gone> those dodgy palm reader women you find in circuses
Jun 01 20:38:31 <CVirus> igor321: link ?
Jun 01 20:38:43 <igor321> just a sec
Jun 01 20:39:07 <igor321> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o0002YFv2E
Jun 01 21:38:36 <Deubeuliou> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c0eVdj4E7w&feature=related  <-- is the Boot actually so slow ??
Jun 01 21:39:58 <mickeyl> yes
Jun 01 21:40:08 <mickeyl> don't worry, it boots like a desktop system right now
Jun 01 21:40:14 <mickeyl> there has been zero work to speed it up yet
Jun 01 21:40:20 <mickeyl> lots of potential still there
Jun 01 21:40:52 <rtm> Does ASU boot more slowly than the old gtk stack?
Jun 01 21:41:08 <cyrilRomain> but with suspend you will rarely (re)boot
Jun 01 21:41:22 <Deubeuliou> ok
Jun 01 21:42:29 <XorA|gone> I would actually like on ASU to start X first
Jun 01 21:42:42 <XorA|gone> then run exquisite in X the whole way through to E booting
Jun 01 21:43:58 <Deubeuliou> is there a way to test OpenMoko in virtualbox ? or at least inVMWare ? maybe Xen ? something else than a chroot
Jun 01 21:44:06 <XorA|gone> qemu
Jun 01 21:44:22 <Deubeuliou> why QEmu and not Virtualbox ?
Jun 01 21:44:33 <woglinde> hms
Jun 01 21:44:34 <XorA|gone> qemu does arm
Jun 01 21:44:38 <Deubeuliou> aha ok
Jun 01 21:44:41 <woglinde> l4 dont works with eabi
Jun 01 21:44:57 <XorA|gone> but you could quite easilly make i386 build boot in virtualbox
Jun 01 21:45:20 <balrog-kun> Deubeuliou: you can run an i386 build without chroot or emulation
Jun 01 21:46:34 <Deubeuliou> so, I install QEmu, then I download this:http://www.rwhitby.net/files/openmoko/Makefile and I do "make qemu" ?
Jun 01 21:47:27 <balrog-kun> that Makefile can build and install qemu for you
Jun 01 21:48:10 <Deubeuliou> do I need it to ? isn't the repository qemu not suitable ?
Jun 01 21:48:41 <rwhitby> sure, but the instructions are longer and not documented anywhere ..
Jun 01 21:49:00 <Deubeuliou> ok :D
Jun 01 21:50:01 <rwhitby> (actually, it is probably documented on the wiki, but likely to be out of date, cause any build instructions which are not executable build instructions always seem to be out of date ...)
Jun 01 21:51:26 <SpeedEvil> not executable regularly executed
Jun 01 21:51:35 <XorA|gone> and there are always crazy people who put random wierd instructions in a wiki
Jun 01 21:51:50 <XorA|gone> A wiki is more lile a collection of old wifes tales than accurate
Jun 01 21:56:51 <Deubeuliou> The MokoMakefile is able to build both OM-2007.2 <-- isn't it oudated ??
Jun 01 21:57:24 <Deubeuliou> I'm currently downloading 2007.2 svn branch ^^
Jun 01 21:58:23 <cyrilRomain> hmm why openmoko provide a separate qemu rather than building the one from oe ?
Jun 01 21:58:53 <holycow> hello moko
Jun 01 22:06:35 <cyrilRomain> hm ok, it's usefull for those who just want to build qemu and testing an image (+developing with the openmoko SDK) without getting into building all the things with oe. Makes sense.
Jun 01 22:10:18 <cyrilRomain> aha, there are some neo1973 specific files too
Jun 01 22:10:33 <woglinde> nite
Jun 01 22:12:27 <balrog-kun> cyrilRomain: yes, most of what we use is neo1973 specific
Jun 01 22:14:46 <SpeedEvil>  /freerunner
Jun 01 23:05:05 <ljp> XorA|gone: any bluetooth audio scenarios yet?
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Jun 02 00:06:33 <shurdeek> hello
Jun 02 00:08:43 <shurdeek> I was wondering if anyone knows if the neo freerunner works with SIM cards by the operator "Three". They have some weird stuff in them and don't work in all phones.
Jun 02 00:09:44 <microlith> has anyone else built openmoko with angstrom 2007-12 and run into an issue where the root filesystem it generates is entirely owned by the person who ran the bitbake, and the resulting /dev structure is useless?
Jun 02 00:14:07 <microlith> ls -l
Jun 02 00:14:10 <microlith> doh
Jun 02 00:17:15 <SpeedEvil> ./wrapper tomtom.bin
Jun 02 00:19:17 <SuN> Tell me if that works :D
Jun 02 00:48:12 <jamasi> openstreetmap integration/support would be a pretty cool thing for the freerunner.
Jun 02 00:49:35 <BryceLeo> volunteering?
Jun 02 00:52:36 <jamasi> yes, for testing if I can get a hand on a freerunner
Jun 02 00:53:31 <jamasi> but in general it does not seem to hard, marble recently integrated osm.
Jun 02 00:54:47 <jamasi> and for extending maps one just needs gps-tracking data in a standard format.
Jun 02 01:02:06 <SpeedEvil> Moving map is easy
Jun 02 01:02:09 <SpeedEvil> routing is not.
Jun 02 01:02:19 <SpeedEvil> (for various values of easy)
Jun 02 01:02:30 <SpeedEvil> tangogps is already doing moving map
Jun 02 01:02:57 <SpeedEvil> And you don't really need freerunner to do development of most of it
Jun 02 01:03:18 <BryceLeo> hey speed, what's your full time job?
Jun 02 01:04:12 <SpeedEvil> I'm currently unemployed due to health reasons, on small disability allowance, trying to develop my skills, and stuff to sell. My main focus at the moment is UAVs.
Jun 02 01:04:58 <SpeedEvil> As that's where I think I can get the most bang/buck in small quantity.
Jun 02 01:05:14 <BryceLeo> wow, sounds pretty intrepid. 
Jun 02 01:05:24 <BryceLeo> what did you do before you went on disability
Jun 02 01:06:03 <SpeedEvil> I've not really had full-time employment.
Jun 02 01:06:32 <BryceLeo> that works
Jun 02 01:07:22 <SpeedEvil> Again, due to health reasons.
Jun 02 01:07:47 <BryceLeo> well, certainly understandable
Jun 02 01:07:55 <BryceLeo> you can only do as much as you can do
Jun 02 01:08:00 <BryceLeo> and that's all anyone can ask
Jun 02 01:09:23 <BryceLeo> grep connect
Jun 02 01:09:26 <BryceLeo> gah... 
Jun 02 01:09:33 <BryceLeo> damn this trackpad
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