**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 04 02:59:57 2008
Jun 04 03:00:43 <kdean06> The fact that they laud Qt makes me think it's written in earnest.
Jun 04 03:01:48 <summatusmentis> why would anyone waste their time on that?
Jun 04 03:02:42 <kdean06> summatusmentis, Because some people's lives are so meaningless that they only feel better by convincing themselves they're smarter.
Jun 04 03:03:14 <summatusmentis> :-/
Jun 04 03:03:22 <kdean06> Yep.
Jun 04 03:10:53 <daMaestro> http://juankprada.livejournal.com/6996.html is where i found it (via the fedora planet) as i read it throughout the day
Jun 04 03:11:17 <daMaestro> the linuxhaters blog has kept me busy during my downtime on the bus today
Jun 04 03:44:58 <erpo> Are the mass-produced handsets referred to at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates still "developer preview" models or are they the real deal?
Jun 04 03:47:22 <kdean06> The developer preview models simply means "released before mass market".
Jun 04 03:48:01 <kdean06> The devices are identical to the ones that will be mass marketed, with the possible exception of a minor (insignifigant) change.
Jun 04 03:48:02 <erpo> kdean06: Last time I looked into the specs, the web site said the developer preview models lacked WiFi.
Jun 04 03:48:11 <SpeedEvil> nope
Jun 04 03:48:16 <kdean06> The one I have has Wifi. :P
Jun 04 03:48:37 <summatusmentis> oh brag about it some more :)
Jun 04 03:48:39 <kdean06> The Neo1973 didn't have Wifi, but those aren't on the market and they're ALL developer preview,
Jun 04 03:48:55 <kdean06> But the Freerunner does have Wifi, including the "developer preview" models.
Jun 04 03:52:12 * daMaestro is confused
Jun 04 03:52:28 * mwester is dazed
Jun 04 03:52:32 * kdean06 is me
Jun 04 03:52:41 <daMaestro> kdean06, what is the minor, yet insignificant, change?
Jun 04 03:53:08 <kdean06> daMaestro, IIRC, there was discussion of adding a resistor to the LED or something.
Jun 04 03:53:28 <daMaestro> which would achieve better power usage?
Jun 04 03:53:31 <kdean06> To improve battery life with hardware rather than a potential software-side tweak.
Jun 04 03:54:14 <daMaestro> ok, as long as there would also be an option to implement it with software; i'll still be getting the current release
Jun 04 03:54:35 <daMaestro> i really, really want to get rid of my blackberry
Jun 04 03:54:41 <kdean06> He he
Jun 04 03:55:08 <kdean06> The fade in and out is enough for me to drool over the Freerunner. I really hope that manages to make it onto the GTA01. :P
Jun 04 03:55:13 <daMaestro> though, i think the pearl will have to stay for a few month and i'll have to replace my razr first
Jun 04 03:55:33 <erpo> Is the freerunner ready for everyday use? How's the battery life?
Jun 04 03:55:38 <kdean06> I flushed my RAZR when I got a 1973.
Jun 04 03:55:55 <daMaestro> i never got the 1973 to reliably make/take calls
Jun 04 03:56:03 <daMaestro> the sound quality was.. umm.. very poor
Jun 04 03:56:10 <mwester> :o   That's not a "green" thing to do, kdean06 ! :p
Jun 04 03:56:21 <kdean06> erpo, I've never let it sit longer than 12 hours uncharged but over 12 hours when it suspends.
Jun 04 03:56:25 <daMaestro> but then again, i only tried snapshots once a month or less
Jun 04 03:56:42 <erpo> kdean06: Does it still ring on incoming calls when it's suspended?
Jun 04 03:57:32 <kdean06> erpo, That's hard to say, there's two software stacks ish. I've not tested incoming calls on the Freerunner yet, because the one stack that works is discontinued and the one that doesn't work is being hacked on. :P
Jun 04 03:58:01 <kdean06> I know that when I last tested, wake-on-call was half working, in that it would wake, but go all zombie mode. 
Jun 04 03:58:18 <erpo> kdean06: I think that answers my question. Thanks. :)
Jun 04 03:58:29 <daMaestro> kdean06, have you gotten the asu to run on the 1973?
Jun 04 03:58:30 <kdean06> But again, I've not really tested that on the Freerunner, so it might be signifigantly better.
Jun 04 03:58:44 <kdean06> daMaestro, If you can say it runs, yes. 
Jun 04 03:59:06 <daMaestro> yeah... it got it to boot... but that was about it
Jun 04 03:59:18 <kdean06> The buildhost images have snapshots for 01, but it's not functional on either the 01 or the 02, not really.
Jun 04 03:59:39 <kdean06> It's VERY basic right now. Pre-pre-pre alpha.
Jun 04 03:59:56 <kdean06> Like... Any warning that you could get that would actually make you wonder if you wanted to use it... Pre that.
Jun 04 03:59:58 <mwester> ASU on the gta01 has some "troubles" for me.
Jun 04 04:00:12 <kdean06> mwester, Booting or running apps?
Jun 04 04:00:36 * daMaestro needs to sleep
Jun 04 04:00:40 <kdean06> I've gotten past booting to the app selection screen, but none of the apps launch, though this is the same on the freerunner.
Jun 04 04:00:50 <mwester> The old image did wake and ring, and work -- with the correct patches to the kernel.  I'm rather dissapointed that the old image was abandoned for the GTA01 since we were very close to a working phone.
Jun 04 04:00:50 <kdean06> So I assume they're just broken. :P
Jun 04 04:01:00 <mwester> kdean06:  running apps.  I have no audio, for example.
Jun 04 04:01:18 <kdean06> Yeah, no audio on 02 with ASU either.
Jun 04 04:01:37 <mwester> Some apps run, some don't, there's a qtopia popup that warns me that my battery is dying every few seconds...
Jun 04 04:01:42 <kdean06> ASU just sucks, it's device independant. :)
Jun 04 04:01:48 <mwester> :D
Jun 04 04:01:50 <kdean06> Yeah... That too. :)
Jun 04 04:02:25 <kdean06> But I'm well aware it's being poked at. I'm personally excited about what the ASU could be, but it's nothing amazing at all right now, which is why I've not reviewed anythinkg.
Jun 04 04:02:54 <kdean06> "Well, Diversity has a raster worldmap... But... that's about it. You can drag it..."
Jun 04 04:03:00 <kdean06> Doesn't make for exciting reading. :)
Jun 04 04:03:50 <mwester> I watch the CIA bot on the channel closely to see when interesting things get committed.
Jun 04 04:53:26 <aggtrfrad> neo 1973 gt01 sold on ebay for 240$
Jun 04 04:53:49 <aggtrfrad> i guess noone expectes freerunner to be out soon :p
Jun 04 05:00:30 <Daemonax> It's always delayed. :-(
Jun 04 06:10:34 <Atul> #join cpp
Jun 04 06:10:44 <Atul> #cpp
Jun 04 06:25:12 <Speedy2> Hey all
Jun 04 06:34:15 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03jeremy * r4472 10/developers/jeremy/maniac/src/ (maniac.c mouse_event.c mouse_event.h): 
Jun 04 06:34:15 <CIA-43> openmoko: 2008-06-04 Jeremy Chang <jeremy@openmoko.com>
Jun 04 06:34:15 <CIA-43> openmoko:  * Add Double_Click command in test.
Jun 04 06:34:27 <Atul> Hi I was trying compile gtk code in moko build Environment but it wont find gtk.h header file why so ?
Jun 04 07:02:59 <Hopscotch> good morning
Jun 04 07:05:16 <mas_storr> when i make openmoko image i got a error while compiling a package:gmp-native*. I get the msg <NOTE:preferred version 2.6.1 of glibc not available> when i begin the build process. this has anything to do with the error i encountered?
Jun 04 07:07:29 <doc|home> so, have nvidia mentioned anything about this tegra's open/closed ness?
Jun 04 07:22:08 <thomasg> how can I enter numbers in the illume (ASU) virtual keyboard?
Jun 04 07:28:40 <mas_storr> My system conf is:Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.21-2950.fc8xen #1 SMP Tue Oct 23 12:24:34 EDT 2007 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux   (1GB ram). How long ll take for me to build the openmoko image. Currently my build process has completed (262/6244) in 1.30 hours...
Jun 04 07:29:29 <mas_storr> Currently my build process has completed 262/6244 tasks (in 1.30 hours)...
Jun 04 08:01:16 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * rc83ae6aa9b6e 10/odeviced/src/plugin.vala: Ensure modules are never unloaded
Jun 04 08:16:15 <ScaredyCat> mwester: I haven't abandoned the 'old' image
Jun 04 08:17:30 <ScaredyCat> ... were your patches added to the build or did they just smile and nod ?
Jun 04 09:33:15 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r96c54b678cfa 10/odeviced/src/service.vala: reintroduction enable field. If absent load all plugins
Jun 04 09:33:15 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r191475e3fe5e 10/odeviced/plugins/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Support for per-plugin configuration
Jun 04 09:33:16 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * ra337b218eb3c 10/odeviced/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Dbus object paths for the plugins set according to the configuration file
Jun 04 09:33:17 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r1f9f220276f9 10/odeviced/docs/PLUGINS.txt: Update docs
Jun 04 09:44:11 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r2602fe5e3fa6 10/packages/ipkg-utils/ (2 files in 2 dirs): ipkg-utils-native_1.6+cvs20050404.bb : rejig patches to renable Size:
Jun 04 09:46:06 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * rdc501529e8da 10/odeviced/src/ (helpers.vala service.vala): Dependencies should now be declared at plugin conf files
Jun 04 09:49:07 <ScaredyCat> oh dear oh dear
Jun 04 09:49:29 <ScaredyCat> (10:47:55)  Nick:  no openmoko at all 
Jun 04 09:49:29 <ScaredyCat> (10:48:15)  Nick:  I asked and they said no very dismissively
Jun 04 09:49:45 <ScaredyCat> ( FIC stand @ Computex)
Jun 04 09:50:55 <XorA> ScaredyCat: well they are seperate companies
Jun 04 09:51:19 <ScaredyCat> fic are the parent arent they?
Jun 04 09:51:43 <XorA> yeah, but AFAIK they only put in money, everything else is serperate
Jun 04 09:52:04 <ScaredyCat> I'd still expect a better attitude
Jun 04 09:52:25 <XorA> FIC is a massive building of which OM are two rooms
Jun 04 09:52:44 <XorA> and I have worked in such places before I would expect a little animosity
Jun 04 09:54:43 <ScaredyCat> Asus have a cool gps thang
Jun 04 09:54:50 <ScaredyCat> head up display
Jun 04 09:56:44 <buz> anyone came across the small dell notebook?
Jun 04 09:57:31 <ScaredyCat> eewwwwww messey
Jun 04 09:57:54 <buz> oh come on, can't be worse than the eee
Jun 04 09:58:04 <mas_storr> i building my openmoko image using moke makefile. after the setup i made some changes in the kernel configuration file(builddir/openmoko/trunk/src/target/kernel/conf/defconf ). ll the resulting built image hav those changes?
Jun 04 10:01:58 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r921084771707 10/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/ (xserver-nodm-init.bb xserver-nodm-init/xserver-nodm): [x11] Make sure to set a HOME and LOGNAME when launching
Jun 04 10:01:59 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rdee895bd8cae 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.dev
Jun 04 10:01:59 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rc333af2a100d 10/packages/boost/ (boost_1.33.1.bb files/atomic_count_gcc_atomicity.patch): [boost] better fix for atomicity problem, allows gnash to compile again
Jun 04 10:19:37 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rc8ab1b23c264 10/packages/packagekit/ (files/03_group_infomation.patch packagekit_git.bb): [packagekit] Add patch to packagekit.
Jun 04 11:02:05 <kvk>  Im trying to update build moko on my system, im getting this error "cross compile badness". can anyone help me in resolving this error?
Jun 04 11:18:23 <kvk> Im trying to update build moko on my system, it is giving this error "cross compile badness" can anyone help me in resolving this error?
Jun 04 11:20:14 <mas_storr> kvk: I m too trying to build moko. I would like to know how long the build process of yours completed before throwing that error?
Jun 04 11:26:04 <kvk> mas_storr: im sorry, my build is completed but when im trying to execute a sample gtk program then it is giving this error "cross compile badness"
Jun 04 11:30:20 <mas_storr> kvk: how long did it take for you to complete the build process and how much space did it consume?
Jun 04 11:32:15 <mas_storr> kvk: the build which i u were tellin was building the openmoko image. Am i correct? or u were building the sample program?
Jun 04 11:42:53 <Atul> mas_storr; He is talking about failing his Gtk based program when trying to compile in new moko build environment
Jun 04 12:33:30 <tomboy64> qtopia phone fails to build with this error: http://rafb.net/p/HRGaUF76.html
Jun 04 12:33:41 <tomboy64> could someone tell me how to fix it?
Jun 04 12:37:28 <tomboy64> i realize i'd have to pass -device ficgta01  to configure somehow
Jun 04 12:37:30 <tomboy64> but how?
Jun 04 12:38:32 <XorA> tomboy64: looks like you have old meta data
Jun 04 12:38:44 <tomboy64> ok, how do i fix that?
Jun 04 12:38:55 <XorA> oh, qtopia-phone, not qtopia-phone-x11
Jun 04 12:39:37 <XorA> has the same error I fixed in qtopia-phone-x11, gimme a few mins
Jun 04 12:39:37 <tomboy64> i already did "make update-makefile && make setup && make update && make clean-package-qtopia-phone"
Jun 04 12:39:43 <tomboy64> oki
Jun 04 12:42:24 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r401d1820720d 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone.inc: [qtopia-phone] fix TARGET_DEVICE in same method as -x11 version
Jun 04 12:42:31 <XorA> tomboy64: do make update
Jun 04 12:42:44 <XorA> tomboy64: then rebuild qtopia-phone
Jun 04 12:43:12 <tomboy64> i'm on it
Jun 04 12:43:45 <XorA> qtopia-phone hasnt received much love so Ive no idea if it works these days
Jun 04 12:43:55 <cekay> how does the qtopia phone target decide which bb file it uses? 
Jun 04 12:44:21 <cekay> theres one for 4.3.0 and one for 4.3.1
Jun 04 12:44:28 <XorA> the latest one
Jun 04 12:45:11 <cekay> using the timestamps or what?
Jun 04 12:45:45 <XorA> using the version
Jun 04 12:46:11 <cekay> alright, thanks :)
Jun 04 12:46:48 * telmich also wants such a cool CIA-bot, does anyone know how they work?
Jun 04 12:48:31 <tomboy64> thx XorA - looks like it's working now
Jun 04 12:56:38 <XorA> tomboy64: BTW go make a pizza, qtopia takes hours to compile
Jun 04 12:57:24 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r8cc5b4bb8b11 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [openmoko-feed] remove midori for now as it doesnt compile
Jun 04 12:57:24 <tomboy64> XorA: btw
Jun 04 12:57:43 <tomboy64> i'm compiling my own image, since i can't get openmoko to run via qemu
Jun 04 12:57:54 <tomboy64> with the pre-compiled ones, that is
Jun 04 12:58:07 * XorA doesnt use qemu
Jun 04 12:58:13 <tomboy64> could you lend me a hand as i find mokoMakefile a bit confusing
Jun 04 12:58:19 <tomboy64> meh
Jun 04 12:58:44 * XorA doesnt use MokoMakefile either
Jun 04 12:58:49 <tomboy64> bummer
Jun 04 12:58:58 <Sup3rkiddo> XorA, hi, when you meant "git pull", you meant it in openembedded/ right?
Jun 04 12:59:04 <XorA> OE developer since a million years ago
Jun 04 12:59:11 <tomboy64> :-D
Jun 04 12:59:13 <tomboy64> ok
Jun 04 12:59:14 <XorA> SuN: yes
Jun 04 12:59:17 <XorA> Sup3rkiddo: yes
Jun 04 12:59:26 <Sup3rkiddo> XorA, hmmm...:/...still the same git error
Jun 04 12:59:27 * XorA has bitbake built into brain these days
Jun 04 12:59:57 <XorA> Sup3rkiddo: abraxa fixed it by doing another make makefile-update
Jun 04 12:59:57 <Sup3rkiddo> XorA, i bet your brain computes DEPENDS for egg salad recipes
Jun 04 13:00:05 <Sup3rkiddo> XorA, did the same
Jun 04 13:00:10 <XorA> DEPENDS = "eggs salad"
Jun 04 13:00:10 <Sup3rkiddo> but let me do it again
Jun 04 13:00:25 <XorA> I assume something is going wrong switching branches
Jun 04 13:00:39 <XorA> go into your openembedded directory and do git-branch
Jun 04 13:01:43 <Sup3rkiddo> XorA, oh..ok
Jun 04 13:02:12 <Sup3rkiddo> XorA, aye caramba, should i switch to asu branch?
Jun 04 13:02:26 <XorA> what branch are you on?
Jun 04 13:02:55 <Sup3rkiddo> org.openmoko.dev
Jun 04 13:03:42 <XorA> do git-checkout -f
Jun 04 13:04:00 <XorA> then check conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc
Jun 04 13:04:08 <XorA> and see what rev linux-openmoko has
Jun 04 13:04:15 <Sup3rkiddo> okie dokie
Jun 04 13:04:52 <zash> wtf
Jun 04 13:05:01 <zash> jag blir nerkopplad'
Jun 04 13:05:23 <Sup3rkiddo> XorA, 6f0356ed149557ca4c80aa4ad857d3c878147581
Jun 04 13:05:50 <XorA> Sup3rkiddo: so the config file has the right REV in it now
Jun 04 13:05:58 <XorA> Sup3rkiddo: try a build again
Jun 04 13:06:07 <Sup3rkiddo> XorA, am already on it :P
Jun 04 13:06:19 <XorA> thats obviously why you are Sup3r :-)
Jun 04 13:06:27 <Sup3rkiddo> yay
Jun 04 13:08:52 <Sup3rkiddo> XorA, you might want to take that back :(, still the same error
Jun 04 13:09:33 <XorA> Sup3rkiddo: and the error is a different git rev?
Jun 04 13:09:52 <Sup3rkiddo> XorA, lemme pastebin it
Jun 04 13:12:27 <Sup3rkiddo> XorA, http://pastebin.ca/1038599 thanks
Jun 04 13:13:04 <XorA> fatal: Not a git repository
Jun 04 13:13:12 <XorA> thats a different error to abraxas one
Jun 04 13:13:49 <XorA> Sup3rkiddo: try a rm -rf on sources/git/git.openmoko.org.git.kernel.git/
Jun 04 13:13:54 <Sup3rkiddo> oh...i thought he had the same error, :(..silly abraxa......
Jun 04 13:13:59 <Sup3rkiddo> XorA, yeah did that as well
Jun 04 13:14:07 <Sup3rkiddo> maybe its a bad year 
Jun 04 13:14:08 <XorA> and all the tar files?
Jun 04 13:14:14 <Sup3rkiddo> XorA, yeah
Jun 04 13:14:27 <XorA> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Jun 04 13:14:37 <summatusmentis> Sup3rkiddo: did you get hardware for SoC?
Jun 04 13:14:48 <Sup3rkiddo> :/...and did a clobber as well
Jun 04 13:14:55 <Sup3rkiddo> summatusmentis, nope not yet :(....
Jun 04 13:15:02 * XorA is stumped
Jun 04 13:15:13 <summatusmentis> how's your project coming along at least?
Jun 04 13:15:43 <Sup3rkiddo> summatusmentis, its going on well atm since it doesn;t require any special hardware
Jun 04 13:16:20 <summatusmentis> Sup3rkiddo: it will though, at some point, right?
Jun 04 13:16:43 <Sup3rkiddo> summatusmentis, yeah maybe gps, wifi
Jun 04 13:16:48 <Sup3rkiddo> gsm
Jun 04 13:17:04 <Sup3rkiddo> summatusmentis, just beginning to shape the service as of now
Jun 04 13:17:23 <XorA> Sup3rkiddo: Im stumped, and Im not much up on the git fetcher as to why its going crazy
Jun 04 13:17:28 <Sup3rkiddo> summatusmentis, http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=openmoko-gsoc2008.git;a=summary in case you are curious
Jun 04 13:17:39 <summatusmentis> Sup3rkiddo: cool!
Jun 04 13:17:43 <XorA> Sup3rkiddo: I would have though removing the git directory and tarfile would reset it
Jun 04 13:18:04 <Sup3rkiddo> XorA, i agree....fyi there isn't anything under the git directory..its empty
Jun 04 13:18:19 <Sup3rkiddo> summatusmentis, hows yours coming along...i forgot your blog link?
Jun 04 13:18:22 <XorA> Sup3rkiddo: there should be a .git in there, if not thats why its not a get directory :-)
Jun 04 13:18:25 <Sup3rkiddo> s/?/.
Jun 04 13:18:36 <Sup3rkiddo> XorA, oh lol..that exists..i meant the one under sources
Jun 04 13:19:13 <summatusmentis> it's going along well enough, kernel coding is hard :( But yeah, I'm documenting code right now, so that I can learn what it's doing, and re-implement it into gpl/kernel code
Jun 04 13:19:30 <XorA> Sup3rkiddo: yeah, under .  ..  6f0356ed149557ca4c80aa4ad857d3c878147581  .git
Jun 04 13:19:35 <XorA> thats mine
Jun 04 13:19:54 <summatusmentis> I need to leave, good luck Sup3rkiddo 
Jun 04 13:20:02 <Sup3rkiddo> summatusmentis, bye..see you around
Jun 04 13:20:30 <Sup3rkiddo> XorA, clobbering everything under build and sources should have fixed it...isn;t it
Jun 04 13:20:42 <XorA> Sup3rkiddo: yeah it should have
Jun 04 13:20:47 <Sup3rkiddo> :/
Jun 04 13:21:07 * XorA is puzzled, this one is totally new to me
Jun 04 13:21:11 * Sup3rkiddo hasn't been successful building using Makefile this entire year
Jun 04 13:21:39 <XorA> you on same strange ass file system like reiser?
Jun 04 13:21:50 <Sup3rkiddo> XorA, ok...when some one as experienced as you, is puzzled at something..this always means i am the one screwing up :)
Jun 04 13:21:58 <Sup3rkiddo> XorA, na ext3
Jun 04 13:22:43 <SpeedEvil> Sup3rkiddo: I go it to work
Jun 04 13:22:59 <cekay> after updating with monotone .. does bitbake use the latest kernel source from the git repository to make my kernel-uimage?
Jun 04 13:23:06 <Sup3rkiddo> SpeedEvil, oh
Jun 04 13:23:14 <Sup3rkiddo> i better start from scratch then
Jun 04 13:23:25 <SpeedEvil> (then it stopped)
Jun 04 13:23:32 <Sup3rkiddo> ~fish SpeedEvil 
Jun 04 13:23:33 * apt_ slaps SpeedEvil around with a large trout
Jun 04 13:25:08 <Sup3rkiddo> XorA, could you please paste your linux-openmoko_2.6.24+.bb
Jun 04 13:25:29 <Sup3rkiddo> brb..i smell like a pig....
Jun 04 13:25:35 * Sup3rkiddo goes to take a shower
Jun 04 13:25:47 <XorA> Sup3rkiddo: its the one in git, Im pretty sure you openmoko git is working, for some reason the git-fetcher in bitbake is stuffing things up
Jun 04 13:26:17 <Sup3rkiddo> XorA, so i reckon i should run it with the debug flags on?
Jun 04 13:30:44 <beni_> hi 
Jun 04 13:30:45 <Atul> Hi while compile project based on Gtk+-2.0 gives me this Error any Idea. atmel/moko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/usr/bin/pkg-config --cflags --libs gtk+-2.0` -lmokogsmd2 -lmokoui2
Jun 04 13:30:46 <Atul> CROSS COMPILE Badness: /usr/include in INCLUDEPATH: /usr/include/gtk-2.0
Jun 04 13:30:46 <Atul> cc1: internal compiler error: in add_path, at c-incpath.c:362"
Jun 04 13:31:15 <beni_> just wanted to know how the power issues are now
Jun 04 13:31:25 <beni_> are they solved?
Jun 04 13:34:59 <Atul> http://fr.pastebin.ca/1038620 this is my makr file
Jun 04 13:36:38 <XorA> Sup3rkiddo: Ive no clue how to procede further
Jun 04 13:36:56 <J-23> Hi!
Jun 04 13:37:29 <Atul> CA, Any Idea
Jun 04 13:45:47 <Sup3rkiddo>  XorA, :(..ok...thanks for your time :D...
Jun 04 13:46:10 <XorA> Sup3rkiddo: no probs, I wish I could have solved it, I will keep thinking
Jun 04 13:46:25 <Sup3rkiddo> sure
Jun 04 14:17:16 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * reb1d275a74ee 10/odeviced/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Remove some redundant lines in plugins and added 'conf' file data member
Jun 04 14:17:21 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * re680ef2a8ddb 10/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Added backlight plugin skeleton
Jun 04 14:17:21 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * ra258fa5ed40d 10/odeviced/plugins/backlight/ (Makefile.am backlight.c backlight.h backlight.vala): Oops..delete build files
Jun 04 14:17:22 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r9a8f99a7c9b9 10/ (8 files in 2 dirs): mv some files around
Jun 04 14:19:09 <cumbers> Hi I have just received my friends openmoko phone, and noticed that after flashing with latest recommended image and then opkg update/upgrade have 3MB left of rootfs! I am trying to install gllin and keep getting a segmentation fault which I assume is due to this low space, any suggestions?
Jun 04 14:19:56 <XorA> cumbers: boot from SD
Jun 04 14:20:12 <cumbers> ok will have a go at that, thanks!
Jun 04 14:20:26 <SpeedEvil> cumbers: r
Jun 04 14:20:40 <SpeedEvil> cumbers: work out ho to install stuff not on the main partition
Jun 04 14:20:50 <SpeedEvil> search the wiki for ipkg-link
Jun 04 14:21:02 <cumbers> SpeedEvil: great thanks
Jun 04 14:21:11 <SpeedEvil> I mean install on the SD
Jun 04 14:28:19 <unknown_lamer> does anyone know if there is a way to bundle a package with bitbake and have it run postinstall stuff?
Jun 04 14:28:41 <unknown_lamer> clisp has to generate its lisp image on a native device and I see no way to automate builds unless I delay that stage until install :-\
Jun 04 14:38:54 <trj> Hi, I'm trying to get hold of a linux phone I can run qtopia on for a demo. I see that the neo1973 is sold out, is there anyone I can still get hold of one?
Jun 04 14:39:38 <cumbers> SpeedEvil, XorA: I guessed wrong, even installing onto the sd card causes segmentation fault will have to dig deeper
Jun 04 14:39:41 <trj> s/anyone/anywhere/
Jun 04 14:39:43 <apt_> trj meant: Hi, I'm trying to get hold of a linux phone I can run qtopia on for a demo. I see that the neo1973 is sold out, is there anywhere I can still get hold of one?
Jun 04 14:41:24 <XorA> trj: what part of the UK?
Jun 04 14:47:31 <trj> XorA: South East.
Jun 04 14:47:37 <SpeedEvil> cumbers: how old is your image, and where are you getting gllin from?
Jun 04 14:47:47 <XorA> trj: too far from me then
Jun 04 14:47:55 <XorA> anyway I have to go catch a bus
Jun 04 14:49:47 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03thomas * r4473 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (7 files): 
Jun 04 14:49:47 <CIA-43> openmoko: opkg: Consolidate error reporting from opkg_conf_init and ensure return value is
Jun 04 14:49:47 <CIA-43> openmoko:  checked in the appropriate places.
Jun 04 14:49:47 <CIA-43> openmoko: opkg: Add a locking mechanism to prevent two instances of opkg being run at the
Jun 04 14:49:47 <CIA-43> openmoko:  same time.
Jun 04 14:53:58 <cumbers> SpeedEvil: Got my image from Snapshot_review/2008-04-21 (latest recommended) and then did opkg update/upgrade
Jun 04 14:54:31 <cumbers> SpeedEvil: got gllin from: http://3rdparty.downloads.openmoko.org/gllin/
Jun 04 14:55:02 <cumbers> SpeedEvil: Thinking that doing the opkg update/upgrade might not be the best idea....
Jun 04 14:55:42 <wurp2|away> trj: ebay, or search the community-request mailing list archives for sellers
Jun 04 14:55:43 <SpeedEvil> HNo
Jun 04 14:58:53 <ScaredyCat> q cumbers
Jun 04 15:01:24 * SpeedEvil just had a cucumber sandwitch.
Jun 04 15:01:43 <SpeedEvil> On some lovely sourdough bread, with some nice butter, and just a little salt and pepper.
Jun 04 15:01:46 <SpeedEvil> Mmmm.
Jun 04 15:02:56 * ScaredyCat thought SpeedEvil was just saying he'd had a  some with cucumbers
Jun 04 15:03:12 <ScaredyCat> s/a some/a 3 some/
Jun 04 15:11:45 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03thomas * r4474 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/pkg_hash.c: opkg: Convert "multiple packages" message to NOTICE rather than ERROR
Jun 04 15:34:55 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03thomas * r4475 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (libopkg.c libopkg.h opkg_cmd.c opkg_cmd.h opkg_conf.c): opkg: remove unused code
Jun 04 15:35:22 <ferric> hola
Jun 04 15:38:19 <cumbers> SpeedEvil: Reflashing device back to last recommended (Snapshot_review/2008-04-2) and then installing gllin worked :)
Jun 04 15:40:02 <SpeedEvil> :)
Jun 04 15:40:08 <SpeedEvil> cumbers: now go and get tangogps
Jun 04 15:40:20 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * ra9acfaf672b4 10/odeviced/ (Makefile.am configure.ac plugins/Makefile.am): add backlight to builds
Jun 04 15:40:21 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r38ca604739df 10/odeviced/plugins/backlight/ (backlight.c backlight.conf backlight.h backlight.vala): 
Jun 04 15:40:21 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: add get_max_brightness for backlight plugin
Jun 04 15:40:21 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: at org.freesmartphone.Deviced.Plugins.Backlight interface
Jun 04 15:40:43 <SpeedEvil> http://www.tangogps.org/gps/cat/Download
Jun 04 15:51:21 <tomboy64> libsdl-mixer fails to build - any ideas? :( http://rafb.net/p/oLrrqw65.html
Jun 04 15:51:37 <cumbers> SpeedyEvil: thanks for the app....now to go out and see if it works!
Jun 04 15:52:15 <cumbers> loving this openmoko, not sure I can give it back to my friend now!
Jun 04 15:58:57 <SpeedEvil> cum: read the docs - it can be configured to start gpsd wwith a  buttonn.
Jun 04 15:59:07 <SpeedEvil> cum: also - remember to 
Jun 04 15:59:08 <SpeedEvil> oh
Jun 04 15:59:15 <Qwell> tab is your friend
Jun 04 15:59:27 <Sonicadvance1> haha
Jun 04 15:59:33 <SpeedEvil> No - that'd have worked - if he hadn't wandered off
Jun 04 16:00:00 <SpeedEvil> Qwell: for example, all I need to type is qw: and it does it automagiocally
Jun 04 16:00:11 <Qwell> well, where's the fun in that?
Jun 04 16:10:06 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * rbe4d55294e56 10/odeviced/plugins/backlight/ (backlight.c backlight.conf backlight.h backlight.vala): add set_brightness
Jun 04 16:31:54 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r3ff4d9bf6c20 10/odeviced/conf/odeviced.conf: disabled powercontrol plugin as it doesn't do anything useful
Jun 04 16:31:54 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r60b00ba26697 10/odeviced/src/ (helpers.vala service.vala): fixed some warnings
Jun 04 16:53:58 <liwei> hello,any one knows how to start gpsd in gta02?
Jun 04 16:54:18 <liwei> SpeedEvil here?
Jun 04 16:55:14 <J-23> "/etc/init.d/gpsd start" doesn't work?
Jun 04 16:56:27 <liwei> thank you ,i forgot it
Jun 04 17:00:22 <SpeedEvil> I don't know if it's properly setup tot turn the GPS on and read from /dev/ttyS2
Jun 04 17:01:15 <balrog-kun> or even ttyS1
Jun 04 17:44:19 <wurp2|away> FYI, running at 200 MHz w/ gps off (and NO activity), gta01 ran for almost exactly 6 hours
Jun 04 17:44:30 <anrp> "running"
Jun 04 17:44:32 <anrp> idle or active?
Jun 04 17:44:33 <wurp2|away> w/ almost no activity, and gps on, it ran for 4:40
Jun 04 17:44:43 <anrp> display?
Jun 04 17:44:45 <wurp2|away> no activity = idle
Jun 04 17:44:57 <wurp2|away> display dimmed as normal
Jun 04 17:45:05 <anrp> ..?
Jun 04 17:45:07 <anrp> you mean off?
Jun 04 17:45:12 <wurp2|away> It doesn't turn off
Jun 04 17:45:15 <wurp2|away> it dims to 0
Jun 04 17:45:21 <wurp2|away> there's still bandwidth on the bus
Jun 04 17:45:41 <wurp2|away> unless you are doing something special (i.e. beyond the normal OM sw distribution)
Jun 04 17:45:54 <wurp2|away> or unless I'm just horribly mistaken :-)
Jun 04 17:46:42 <Qwell> huh
Jun 04 17:46:44 <wurp2> That's not using suspend
Jun 04 17:47:00 <Qwell> wurp2: I assume that's with gsm on?
Jun 04 17:47:07 <Qwell> and connected, presumably
Jun 04 17:47:12 <wurp2> But it *is* using the release of gsm firmware that goes into deep sleep with long inactivity
Jun 04 17:47:15 <wurp2> Qwell: yes and yes
Jun 04 17:47:47 <Qwell> gsm is a pretty big battery sucker, especially if you've got crappy tower distance
Jun 04 17:48:27 <wurp2> Yeah, but testing phone uptime w/o it seemed almost pointless :-)
Jun 04 17:48:33 <Qwell> naturally
Jun 04 17:48:41 <wurp2> gps took more power than I expected
Jun 04 17:48:52 <Qwell> what kind of signal did you have during the test?
Jun 04 17:48:57 <wurp2> or possibly, minimal use makes a big difference over light use
Jun 04 17:49:09 <wurp2> on the first test, 2-3 bars through the whole test
Jun 04 17:49:19 <Qwell> so, far from ideal
Jun 04 17:49:33 <wurp2> for the 2nd one, 2-3 bars at first, then moving for 40 minutes, then full for 3 hours
Jun 04 17:49:49 <Qwell> I wonder how much difference 2 vs 4 bars makes
Jun 04 17:50:06 <wurp2> I will try to get a test in where I am at work (4 bars) all day during the test
Jun 04 17:50:26 <wurp2> against the same baseline as the 2-3 bar test (same hw active & cpu activity)
Jun 04 17:50:35 <Qwell> would be interesting.  on my phone, when I'm in like a convention hall, I get about a day.  when i've got a decent signal, it's more like a week
Jun 04 17:51:09 <wurp2> I should also say that checkFastCharge was running that whole time, which wakes for probably 100 ms every 4 seconds
Jun 04 17:51:30 <wurp2> running for all tests
Jun 04 17:55:20 <wurp2> Also, the same test that gave me 6 hours life w/ CPU at 200 MHz, gave me 5:40 w/ CPU at 266 MHz (the default)
Jun 04 17:55:34 <wurp2> wait, crap, need to check if it was 5:40 or 5:20
Jun 04 17:57:09 <wurp2> 5:25
Jun 04 17:59:58 <SpeedEvil> that's display off?
Jun 04 18:00:08 <wurp2> display dimmed to 0
Jun 04 18:00:09 <wurp2> yeah
Jun 04 18:00:21 <wurp2> rather, display doing whatever "dim, don't lock" does
Jun 04 18:02:56 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r9d2c21c57d1e 10/ophoned/ (19 files in 8 dirs): python-ophoned: refactor code and prepare for different modem types, including, but overriding the standard behaviour
Jun 04 18:07:29 <wurp2> anyway, so if you want to get about 10% more battery life on your OM (if it's mostly idle), set your CPU to 200 MHz
Jun 04 18:09:19 <josch> to compile some modules i need the openmoko kernel headers?
Jun 04 18:09:23 <josch> -?
Jun 04 18:09:28 <josch> where to get them?
Jun 04 18:11:22 <woglinde> josh git.openmoko.org
Jun 04 18:14:05 <wurp2> OK, I have a question for someone w/ knowledge of the gta01 power hw
Jun 04 18:14:19 <josch> woglinde, i assume i checkout kernel.git to /usr/include/linux then?
Jun 04 18:14:22 <SpeedEvil> Slight
Jun 04 18:14:26 <wurp2> It runs for about 5.5 hours, say, with no activity
Jun 04 18:14:55 <wurp2> At 3500 mWh battery, that's about 640 mW power draw
Jun 04 18:15:10 <wurp2> But it only pulls 500 mA... oh, nm, answered question while formulating :-)
Jun 04 18:15:13 <SpeedEvil> wurp2: some time ago it was not turning off the LCD properly
Jun 04 18:15:17 <SpeedEvil> the LCD controller
Jun 04 18:15:26 <woglinde> josch dont know if that brakes your host-system
Jun 04 18:15:37 <SpeedEvil> Which meant that it's still reading the memory at 60M/second and writing that to the LCD
Jun 04 18:15:39 <wurp2> I conflated 500 mA draw on usb w/ 500 mW, obviously not the same thing
Jun 04 18:15:49 <josch> woglinde, appearently there is no other source of the headers?
Jun 04 18:15:51 <wurp2> SpeedEvil: Oh, I thought that was still the case...
Jun 04 18:16:00 <SpeedEvil> wurp2: I don't know
Jun 04 18:16:06 <wurp2> SpeedEvil: that should be "only" about 60 mW, I thought
Jun 04 18:16:16 <SpeedEvil> wurp2: well...
Jun 04 18:16:19 <woglinde> josh are you trying to build neo 1973/freerunner modules?
Jun 04 18:16:20 <wurp2> agreed it's definitely big enough to need a fix
Jun 04 18:16:50 <wurp2> but there's still a giant discrepancy between documented power draw and actual, even after accounting for that
Jun 04 18:16:52 <SpeedEvil> wurp2: it means a lot of stuff is active. You've got the memory draw due to it being active, the extra capacitance, ...
Jun 04 18:16:54 <josch> woglinde, i use debian on openmoko and want to nativly build some modules, yes
Jun 04 18:17:01 <woglinde> josh hm forget what I said you need definitly the openmoko-kernel headrs
Jun 04 18:17:07 <josch> ah... debian on neo1973 i mean
Jun 04 18:17:32 <woglinde> means you need the linux-source
Jun 04 18:17:37 <woglinde> and configure it
Jun 04 18:17:49 <josch> but not the vanilla source
Jun 04 18:18:08 <woglinde> dont know if that will break soemthing
Jun 04 18:18:17 <josch> what could it break??
Jun 04 18:20:47 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * rc1160d4c3c19 10/ophoned/ (7 files in 3 dirs): python-ophoned: add skeleton for 'singleline' modem abstraction
Jun 04 18:21:08 <woglinde> josh the build
Jun 04 18:21:55 <josch> ? what build?
Jun 04 18:22:05 <woglinde> the build of the module
Jun 04 18:22:21 <josch> well if this happens
Jun 04 18:22:25 <josch> i will see soon enough :P
Jun 04 18:22:37 <woglinde> the modules have to know which arch and other options to compile the module properly
Jun 04 18:22:48 <josch> hrm...
Jun 04 18:23:01 <josch> but the infos are there arent they?
Jun 04 18:23:10 <woglinde> if you know debian so I suggest you know module-assistant right?
Jun 04 18:23:33 <woglinde> so now guess what module-assistant does
Jun 04 18:23:44 <woglinde> try it foer the neo and see how it fails
Jun 04 18:23:53 <josch> woglinde, yeah i build with it
Jun 04 18:24:08 <josch> m-a just told me that the headers are missing
Jun 04 18:24:12 <josch> this is why i asked :P
Jun 04 18:38:20 <codeheadzxc> has anyone successfully installed tangogps on openmoko?
Jun 04 18:43:46 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03zecke * rca9415b6bda8 10/src/server/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [profile] Export the profile names, active profile and setting an active proile
Jun 04 19:07:52 <wurp2> codeheadzxc: I have
Jun 04 19:08:07 <codeheadzxc> sweet
Jun 04 19:08:27 <codeheadzxc> I tried following the instructions online and this is what I got when i ran the final step....
Jun 04 19:08:31 * SpeedEvil finishes his latest project.
Jun 04 19:08:35 <wurp2> I prefer navit, except that getting navit running again after each upgrade is a pain
Jun 04 19:08:40 <codeheadzxc> ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for tangogps:
Jun 04 19:08:40 <codeheadzxc>          pango (>= 1.18.3) libgcrypt11 (>= 1.4.0) gconf-dbus (>= 2.16.0+svnr641) libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.1.20) libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.5.6)
Jun 04 19:08:40 <SpeedEvil> http://www.mauve.plus.com/edging.jpg http://www.mauve.plus.com/edging.avi
Jun 04 19:08:54 <codeheadzxc> Are all of these available for openmoko?
Jun 04 19:09:15 <SpeedEvil> codeheadzxc: it 'jkust worked' for me
Jun 04 19:09:16 <wurp2> SpeedEvil: congratulatinos!
Jun 04 19:09:17 <codeheadzxc> the final step being ipkg install http://.blah
Jun 04 19:09:28 <SpeedEvil> wurp2: recycled tiles used as edging.
Jun 04 19:09:41 <codeheadzxc> hmmm
Jun 04 19:09:57 <SpeedEvil> codeheadzxc: I actually downloaded the opkg
Jun 04 19:10:08 <SpeedEvil> but then just opkg install tangogps or whatever worked
Jun 04 19:10:10 <codeheadzxc> oh, okay
Jun 04 19:10:20 <codeheadzxc> where did you get opkg?
Jun 04 19:10:21 <wurp2> I think I just did opkg update, opkg install tangogps
Jun 04 19:10:37 <SpeedEvil> codeheadzxc: if you don't have opkg, yoy;'re uing a very old image.
Jun 04 19:10:47 <SpeedEvil> codeheadzxc: flash a new one is probably easiest
Jun 04 19:10:53 <codeheadzxc> really?
Jun 04 19:10:56 <codeheadzxc> I just downloaded it...
Jun 04 19:11:00 <codeheadzxc> weird
Jun 04 19:11:04 <wurp2> codeheadzxc: From where?
Jun 04 19:11:07 <SpeedEvil> what date was it?
Jun 04 19:11:50 <codeheadzxc> OpenMoko-openmoko-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20071121-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2
Jun 04 19:12:03 <codeheadzxc> that's what I used
Jun 04 19:12:07 <codeheadzxc> I got it from the open moko site
Jun 04 19:12:10 <SpeedEvil> Well...
Jun 04 19:12:20 <SpeedEvil> the date may be a subtle clue that it's ratehr old :)
Jun 04 19:12:50 <codeheadzxc> OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080131-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2        
Jun 04 19:12:57 <codeheadzxc> ^ is that the latest?
Jun 04 19:24:11 <wurp2> codeheadzxc: Nah, the latest are in April & May of this year
Jun 04 19:24:15 <wurp2> sec
Jun 04 19:24:43 <wurp2> Here are the latest releases that Kevin has tested: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:SnapshotReview
Jun 04 19:25:09 <wurp2> I recommend the 4-30, 5-1 or 5-7 images
Jun 04 19:28:11 <wurp2> codeheadzxc: Those numbers between the Snapshot and the fic in your image file names are the snapshot date
Jun 04 19:28:26 <wurp2> In year-month-day format, so the images you're looking at are from Nov 2007 and Jan 2008
Jun 04 19:36:09 <wurp2> So has it really been almost a month since we got a new software release?
Jun 04 19:36:38 <kdean06> Technically it's been a month. :P
Jun 04 19:36:45 <kdean06> April -> May -> June
Jun 04 19:40:16 <codeheadzxc> I'm trying to reflash moko, but friggin dfu-util just hangs...
Jun 04 19:51:50 <josch> woglinde, i checked out the stable head - do i have to configure something in menuconfig
Jun 04 19:51:51 <josch> ?
Jun 04 19:52:46 <woglinde> josh right
Jun 04 19:52:49 <wurp2> kdean06: Your last review was on 5/07, it's now 6/04, so I thought it was only *almost* a month
Jun 04 19:53:11 <josch> woglinde, it seems you are very into this stuff?
Jun 04 19:53:22 <kdean06> he he
Jun 04 19:53:34 <kdean06> wurp2, There's nothing worth reviewing since then.
Jun 04 19:53:41 <wurp2> codeheadzxc: Do you have the moko in the command line menu, and then you selected USB console or whatever it is?
Jun 04 19:53:46 <wurp2> kdean06: :-(
Jun 04 19:54:10 <cb22> as ASU under some sort of evil nda?
Jun 04 19:54:10 <kdean06> wurp2, The ASU isn't super functional, and even long before the review ended for the 2007.02 line, things got stagnant.
Jun 04 19:54:35 <kdean06> cb22, Not at all, you can install an image of it on a 1973, a Freerunner or Qemu... It just doesn't really DO anything yet.
Jun 04 19:54:50 <cb22> kdean06: except look flashy? :)
Jun 04 19:54:55 <wurp2> kdean06: So the Qtopia part doesn't work?
Jun 04 19:54:57 <kdean06> Not even that, honestly. :)
Jun 04 19:55:23 <kdean06> wurp2, On the buildhost images, and presumably those built by Mokomakefile, no, they're not installed or at least not usable via GUI.
Jun 04 19:55:34 <wurp2> yagh
Jun 04 19:55:38 <wurp2> I thought that was the whole point
Jun 04 19:55:55 <kdean06> wurp2, The "original" ASU image was hand rolled, and all of the Qtopia stuff worked... But there's some stuff that's depricated too, and it was still installed.
Jun 04 19:56:49 <kdean06> For isntance a lot of system settings are being rolled into Exposure, so the Qtopia counterparts are removed.
Jun 04 19:57:03 <kdean06> It's a super-duper-pre-alpha.
Jun 04 19:57:15 <wurp2> wurp2: Except you can't tell they're removed because you can't get to Qtopia at all?
Jun 04 19:58:07 <wurp2> I kind of expected the sw to go backward slightly with regards to accessing the changed hardware with the FR release, but I didn't expect the rest of the sw to go backward (albeit presumably temporarily)
Jun 04 19:58:22 <kdean06> "Get to Qtopia" is kind of a misconception... It IS Qtopia... But wiht added things.
Jun 04 19:58:54 <kdean06> It's hard to explain. You're familiar with Qtopia, no?
Jun 04 19:59:00 <wurp2> kdean06: Wow, I thought it was OM, with X11 and Qtopia installed too
Jun 04 19:59:01 <kdean06> You know the grid-based launcher?
Jun 04 19:59:02 <wurp2> sort of
Jun 04 19:59:04 <wurp2> I used it a bit
Jun 04 19:59:05 <wurp2> yeah
Jun 04 19:59:09 <wurp2> I much prefer it to the OM launcher
Jun 04 19:59:22 <wurp2> I had Qtopia installed for about a day
Jun 04 19:59:26 <kdean06> That's been replaced, essentially. The thing is, it's buggy. :P
Jun 04 19:59:35 <wurp2> poop
Jun 04 19:59:37 <kdean06> A buggy app launcher means not too much works. :)
Jun 04 19:59:46 <kdean06> wurp2, "The Openmoko Launcher" is what, to you?
Jun 04 19:59:59 <wurp2> The list of programs on the + tab in the home
Jun 04 20:00:00 <kdean06> Are you referring to slide-based Illume selector?
Jun 04 20:00:10 <wurp2> Is it Illume?
Jun 04 20:00:16 <kdean06> Yes.
Jun 04 20:00:26 <wurp2> Then yes, I am
Jun 04 20:00:26 <kdean06> wurp2, that's the taskbar, essentially, not the launcher.
Jun 04 20:00:48 <wurp2> What else would you call a launcher in the 2007.02 OM platform?
Jun 04 20:00:59 <wurp2> And I'm not sure I see the difference
Jun 04 20:01:42 <kdean06> You know where you click "applications" and scroll through the list to launch, say, media player on 2007.02?
Jun 04 20:01:56 <wurp2> Yeah, that's the + tab on the home
Jun 04 20:02:02 <kdean06> OH!
Jun 04 20:02:05 <kdean06> Okay...
Jun 04 20:02:07 <wurp2> The thing I was talking about
Jun 04 20:02:20 <kdean06> I misunderstood that then...
Jun 04 20:02:38 <kdean06> I thought you means the Illume pull down... That has a + on it.. and is selected by clicking Home. :)
Jun 04 20:02:44 <wurp2> It slides (well, scrolls based on a slide touch)
Jun 04 20:02:45 <wurp2> Heh
Jun 04 20:02:50 <wurp2> Sorry, I don't think I've seen that
Jun 04 20:03:02 <kdean06> wurp2, Okay, I understand what you're saying now... Okay. You do or do NOT like that launcher?
Jun 04 20:03:09 <wurp2> I do not like that launcher
Jun 04 20:03:13 <kdean06> Good. :)
Jun 04 20:03:15 <wurp2> Too much real estate devoted to each item
Jun 04 20:03:27 <wurp2> press & hold bringing up title of application, good
Jun 04 20:03:40 <wurp2> always putting title & description of application on 2.8" screen, bad
Jun 04 20:03:40 <kdean06> The ASU has two modes, the Illume slider OR a grid based icon selector like Qtopia's deafult.
Jun 04 20:04:03 <wurp2> OK, cool
Jun 04 20:04:04 <SpeedEvil> I want xstroke full-screen 
Jun 04 20:04:11 <kdean06> Illume slider being -> http://illume.projects.openmoko.org/illume-vv-01.avi
Jun 04 20:04:11 <SpeedEvil> for launching
Jun 04 20:04:22 <wurp2> can't view avi at work :-(
Jun 04 20:04:27 <wurp2> but I'll email it to myself
Jun 04 20:04:34 <SpeedEvil> Wny not?
Jun 04 20:04:44 <kdean06> Because he's not 1337
Jun 04 20:05:05 <wurp2> 'cause they block video
Jun 04 20:05:11 <SpeedEvil> ah
Jun 04 20:05:19 <wurp2> they also block IM & IRC
Jun 04 20:05:24 <ljp> SpeedEvil: qtopia has a full screen handwriting input. not sure if asu will use it
Jun 04 20:05:29 <SpeedEvil> Because all the little worker bees'd sit on youtube all day otehrwise.
Jun 04 20:05:38 <wurp2> but it's less obvious when you access IM & IRC, and I sit in a bullpenny thing :-(
Jun 04 20:05:42 <summatusmentis> right, because youtube uses avi
Jun 04 20:06:45 <xcasex> apparently some twits are trying to run openmoko on the htc tornado/noble/
Jun 04 20:07:00 <cb22> twits?
Jun 04 20:07:28 <xcasex> http://www.google.se/search?q=define:twit
Jun 04 20:07:34 <kdean06> Full net is the only net for me.
Jun 04 20:07:59 <wurp2> SpeedEvil: So why haven't you ported xstroke
Jun 04 20:10:16 <cb22> wurp2: probably becausde he is busy building a nuclear powered UAV with nothing more then a paperclip, some duct tape and a swiss army knife :)
Jun 04 20:12:25 <SpeedEvil> I'm unfortunately limited in waht I can do due to health reasons.
Jun 04 20:12:34 <SpeedEvil> Very limited energy, and too much other stuff to do.
Jun 04 20:50:07 <cyrilRomain> hi! when running qemu with -M gta01 or with -M gta02fake I only get a black. Any ideas ?
Jun 04 20:50:21 <cyrilRomain> s/black/black screen/
Jun 04 20:50:21 <apt_> cyrilRomain meant: hi! when running qemu with -M gta01 or with -M gta02fake I only get a black screen. Any ideas ?
Jun 04 20:52:58 <cyrilRomain> I mean it is possible to emulate the gta02 without the linux-gta02-pseudo.patch ?
Jun 04 20:59:58 <wurp2> cyrilRomain: Sorry, I never run qemu any more
Jun 04 21:00:23 <cyrilRomain> wurp2: because you have a FreeRunner?
Jun 04 21:00:56 <summatusmentis> or at least a neo1973
Jun 04 21:01:14 <cyrilRomain> wurp2: lucky man ;)
Jun 04 21:01:14 <summatusmentis> kdean06: how did you manage to be so lucky to get a freerunner?
Jun 04 21:01:46 <kdean06> Ummm...
Jun 04 21:01:56 <kdean06> I'm not sure it was luck, exactly. :P
Jun 04 21:01:58 <cyrilRomain> hmm from the wiki there should be no problem running qemu for gta02fake ...
Jun 04 21:01:59 <kdean06> So... Mu. :)
Jun 04 21:03:50 <summatusmentis> kdean06: ok, how did you get one? just being a dev? or do you work for OM?
Jun 04 21:04:02 <summatusmentis> or are you supposed to be a reviewer?
Jun 04 21:05:18 <Dominus> He happened to bump into it in Mong Kok.
Jun 04 21:05:53 <kdean06> It's mainly for the reviewing, yes. I wrote daily reviews on the 2007.02 software stack and the idea is that I'll continue to do so on the Freerunner and 1973 once the new software stack becomes semi-functional.
Jun 04 21:06:10 <summatusmentis> I see
Jun 04 21:06:16 <summatusmentis> is it cool? :)
Jun 04 21:17:20 <wurp2> cyrilRomain: Nope, I have a 1973.  I am just too lazy to try out the FR image.
Jun 04 21:18:09 * ScaredyCat hugs om2007.2
Jun 04 21:18:12 <wurp2> And WAY too lazy to try out the gta01 image, since I have the device.
Jun 04 21:18:56 <wurp2> Yeah, ScaredyCat, I haven't heard anything that makes me want to run out & try any image after 2007.2
Jun 04 21:20:36 <ScaredyCat> the pop down menu thing looks nice on the fr images, but I like om2007.2 layout too
Jun 04 21:20:53 <wurp2>  #!&$ it!  My OM headphones just died
Jun 04 21:20:58 <wurp2> well, the left earpiece did
Jun 04 21:21:41 <wurp2> Does anyone know which kind of 2.5 mm connector it is?
Jun 04 21:22:06 <wurp2> I think Nokia & Motorola are the two main configurations, and I don't remember which it is on the neo
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Jun 04 21:28:50 <zash> wurp2: also, document it on the wiki somewhere
Jun 04 21:29:55 <wurp2> er, it means what I said
Jun 04 21:30:00 <wurp2> and I prefer requests to command voice
Jun 04 21:30:05 <wurp2> and I *got* it from the wiki
Jun 04 21:30:09 <zash> ah
Jun 04 21:30:44 <zash> wurp2: do you know what order the connectors on the 2.5mm plug is in?
Jun 04 21:31:35 <wurp2> It's on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_hardware along with the note that Motorola is the thing to ask for that a Radio Shack employee would understand :-)
Jun 04 21:35:17 <balrog-kun> is there something in the default install to take a screenshot?
Jun 04 21:35:21 <balrog-kun> that i can run from cmdline
Jun 04 21:36:02 <balrog-kun> screenshot of X11 or (even better) the framebuffer
Jun 04 21:36:16 <SpeedEvil> caT /DEV/FB0 ?
Jun 04 21:36:23 <zash> balrog-kun: import!
Jun 04 21:36:28 <kdean06> I don't know, honestly. I've seen ASU screenshots, but I don't know how to do them.
Jun 04 21:37:07 <wurp2> SpeedEvil: Does that really work?
Jun 04 21:37:12 <balrog-kun> SpeedEvil: it just hit me when i was pressing enter, that i could do that :p
Jun 04 21:37:13 <zash> import -window root -delay $µSECONDS $filename
Jun 04 21:37:27 <wurp2> I would think you would need a header telling it what format the pic is...
Jun 04 21:37:29 <wurp2> at least
Jun 04 21:37:44 <balrog-kun> wurp2: it generated a 4MB file, i'll try cat'ing it back into /dev/fb0 once i reboot with a kernel that doesn't kill the Glamo
Jun 04 21:37:48 <wurp2> zash: Cool!
Jun 04 21:37:59 * balrog-kun tries import now
Jun 04 21:38:43 <balrog-kun> oh, this image lacks import
Jun 04 21:38:56 <zash> imagemagic!
Jun 04 21:39:12 <zash> however, i get realy weird images from that
Jun 04 21:39:15 <wurp2> balrog-kun: 4MB sounds very wrong for a 640x480x32 bit image...
Jun 04 21:39:53 <balrog-kun> wurp2: it's the entire video RAM i believe
Jun 04 21:40:03 <wurp2> ah, that makes sense
Jun 04 21:40:49 * zash googles motorola headset pinout
Jun 04 21:40:52 * zash finds!
Jun 04 21:40:59 <wurp2> zash: Isn't it on the hw page?
Jun 04 21:41:15 <zash> DOH
Jun 04 21:41:16 <wurp2> They list a set of connectors, and give a link to a mail from the list
Jun 04 21:42:01 <zash> hm
Jun 04 21:42:15 <zash> that list does not specify what order it is in
Jun 04 21:43:03 <wurp2> nope :-(  I thunk maybe that was in the list email
Jun 04 21:43:05 <balrog-kun> wow, import worked over X forwarding (backwards)
Jun 04 21:43:46 <balrog-kun> i did "ssh -L6002:localhost:6000 neo" and i could run import on my pc to dump the neo X display to a file
Jun 04 21:43:47 <wurp2> I didn't care about the wire order; I just want to know what to tell the salesdrones :-)
Jun 04 21:44:34 <zash> aha, base .... tip
Jun 04 21:44:39 * zash is tierd
Jun 04 21:44:56 <balrog-kun> and X is actually working even though the framebuffer is dead and still contains the view of the console
Jun 04 21:45:25 <zash> wurp2: this made it clearer: http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-A-N/motorola_headset_pinout.shtml
Jun 04 21:45:33 <balrog-kun> basically the video ram became readonly the moment Glamo crashed
Jun 04 21:45:50 <zash> glamo crashed?
Jun 04 21:45:53 <zash> sounds bad
Jun 04 21:46:07 <balrog-kun> yeah, i'm playing with hw accel
Jun 04 21:46:15 <balrog-kun> i'm doing something wrong apparently
Jun 04 21:46:15 <zash> ah
Jun 04 21:46:41 <wurp2> balrog-kun: cool!  I didn't know anyone was playing with that...
Jun 04 21:47:10 <zash> balrog-kun: I wish you best of luck then.
Jun 04 21:47:31 <balrog-kun> wurp2: i don't know if i'll have any useful results
Jun 04 21:47:40 <balrog-kun> wurp2: but it's a fun chip to hack
Jun 04 21:48:25 <wurp2> we put mickey to sleep
Jun 04 21:48:55 <wurp2> balrog-kun: It'll be way fun if you can get decent video on the FR :-)
Jun 04 21:49:33 <balrog-kun> wurp2: it doesn't look very difficult but the video capabilities are limited :(
Jun 04 21:50:05 <balrog-kun> wurp2: only MPEG4, and max 352x288 at 30fps or 640x480 at 12fps
Jun 04 21:50:37 <balrog-kun> nobody uses mpeg4 except digital cameras
Jun 04 21:50:45 <SpeedEvil> Err - no.
Jun 04 21:50:59 <SpeedEvil> balrog-kun: that's assuming no CPU use at all
Jun 04 21:51:18 <SpeedEvil> Half those FPSs at best.
Jun 04 21:51:42 <balrog-kun> SpeedEvil: you mean i won't get 352x288 at 30fps?
Jun 04 21:51:45 <balrog-kun> i'm pretty sure i will
Jun 04 21:51:50 <SpeedEvil> Well - think of it this way.
Jun 04 21:52:03 <SpeedEvil> GTA01 barely does 25fps at that res
Jun 04 21:52:22 <SpeedEvil> So the decode is at least a large fraction of 266MHz of CPU
Jun 04 21:52:42 <SpeedEvil> Say it's 50% required CPU to decode video on FR
Jun 04 21:52:53 <balrog-kun> right, because you're reading and writing all these full frames to ram various times while decoding and copying to the framebuffer
Jun 04 21:53:07 <SpeedEvil> that leaves you with 50% time to write to the GPU
Jun 04 21:53:22 <SpeedEvil> So a transfer rate of 3.5M/second or so
Jun 04 21:54:11 <balrog-kun> for the CPU the cost of decoding an mpeg4 clip is the clip of reading it from the flash into video ram
Jun 04 21:54:20 <balrog-kun> s/clip/cost
Jun 04 21:54:27 <SpeedEvil> Umm.
Jun 04 21:54:39 <SpeedEvil> I know that's very untrue on my PII/300
Jun 04 21:55:03 <SpeedEvil> It takes a substantial slice of teh CPU, even with no video out
Jun 04 21:55:19 <igor321> does the glamo support mpeg4, it doesn't say so on it's site
Jun 04 21:55:26 <igor321> *its
Jun 04 21:55:50 <wurp2> balrog-kun: Most FR users would be OK with transcoding :-)
Jun 04 21:56:14 <balrog-kun> i might try using the DMA to transfer from NAND to VRAM directly, leaving cpu idle
Jun 04 21:56:38 <balrog-kun> igor321: yes, mpeg4 and h263 are the only supported codecs
Jun 04 21:56:45 <balrog-kun> they are very similar
Jun 04 21:56:57 <balrog-kun> it supports both encoding and decoding
Jun 04 21:56:57 <cyrilRomain> hmm black screen in qemu is when I run qemu from outside the chroot in which I have my openmoko devel environment
Jun 04 21:57:28 <SpeedEvil> Selected video codec: [ffodivx] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-4)
Jun 04 21:57:47 <igor321> we'll i don't beliveve we'll see the day of hardware mpeg4 decoding since gta03 will have no glamo, so there's really no incentive to write usable drivers
Jun 04 21:57:51 <SpeedEvil> It seems to want about 17% of CPU
Jun 04 21:58:01 <SpeedEvil> (with no video output)
Jun 04 21:58:23 <SpeedEvil> That's on a PII/300, with MMX
Jun 04 21:58:43 <cyrilRomain> but when I copy all the file outside the chroot (keeping the path) and then run qemu, I get something displayed
Jun 04 21:59:21 <balrog-kun> SpeedEvil: i think that shows it's doable on the Neo
Jun 04 21:59:24 <balrog-kun> if anything
Jun 04 21:59:29 <balrog-kun> igor321: how about for fun
Jun 04 22:00:12 <wurp2> SpeedEvil: Should the video output even matter to cpu usage, if you're using vidcard acceleration?
Jun 04 22:00:20 <SpeedEvil> balrog-kun: that is _significantly_ faster than the neo
Jun 04 22:00:25 <igor321> balrog-kun: well i guess people would like to do it for fun, but that's gonna be hard since there are no specs and no other drivers to reverse engineer
Jun 04 22:00:29 <SpeedEvil> I'm benching it on the neo no
Jun 04 22:00:38 <wurp2> igor321: For the people who own a FR, I woudl think it's of a lot of interest :-)c
Jun 04 22:00:50 <SpeedEvil> wurp2: no - if the video decoder unit in the GPU is used
Jun 04 22:00:57 <wurp2> Just like sw advances to the gta01 codebase are of interest to me
Jun 04 22:01:07 <balrog-kun> SpeedEvil: well, i don't know, but i'm an optimist as usually
Jun 04 22:01:20 <balrog-kun> SpeedEvil: want to bet?
Jun 04 22:02:44 <igor321> wurp2: yeah i'd love to have great drivers for the glamo, but since smedia won't ever release the specs, i somehow doubt it
Jun 04 22:03:29 <SpeedEvil> balrog-kun: I am willing to bet that I'm right - given my assumptions.
Jun 04 22:03:49 <wurp2> igor321: You may well be right; I'm defending the reasons to care, not the likelihood of success :-)
Jun 04 22:04:41 <igor321> wurp2: well you're preaching to the choir, cause i was deeply dissapointed with the whole glamo thing :)
Jun 04 22:05:03 <wurp2> yeah, me too
Jun 04 22:05:08 <igor321> so i'm getting a FR, but also waiting for the gta03
Jun 04 22:05:26 <wurp2> I got a gta01, and am probably waiting for the 03 for my next one
Jun 04 22:05:57 <wurp2> It depends on the schedule and how the FR sw looks when I get tired of waiting for the new hw :-)
Jun 04 22:06:31 <igor321> yeah, i've been waiting for FR for far far too long :)
Jun 04 22:06:51 <SpeedEvil> Ok - on the neo
Jun 04 22:06:52 <SpeedEvil> VIDEO:  [FMP4]  320x240  24bpp  1000000 fps    508 kbps (  62 kbyte/s)
Jun 04 22:07:04 <SpeedEvil>  time ./mplayer1 -endpos 10 -benchmark -nosound ../mpg/test.avi -vo null
Jun 04 22:07:12 <SpeedEvil> real    0m 21.29s
Jun 04 22:07:28 <SpeedEvil> (it's really 25fps)
Jun 04 22:07:57 <SpeedEvil> and that's with no sound
Jun 04 22:08:16 <SpeedEvil> TGhis is however an old player
Jun 04 22:08:17 <SpeedEvil> MPlayer dev-SVN-r24016-4.2.1 (C) 2000-2007 MPlayer Team
Jun 04 22:09:02 <SpeedEvil> But still - it shows that FR can probably barely decode mpeg4 320*240*25fps - if this player is representative of the real CPU capabilities.
Jun 04 22:09:39 <SpeedEvil> It certainly does not have 70 or 80% of the CPU time idle for it to push pixels over the GPU
Jun 04 22:09:50 <spydon> how do they manage to do this on all the crappy phones then? :P
Jun 04 22:09:58 <SpeedEvil> Hardware acceleration.
Jun 04 22:10:10 <wurp2> SpeedEvil: which is what the glamo provides, no?
Jun 04 22:10:15 <SpeedEvil> In theory.
Jun 04 22:10:19 <igor321> not likely
Jun 04 22:10:21 <SpeedEvil> However - there are no docs.
Jun 04 22:10:39 <SpeedEvil> We are left to either hope that someone at OM releases a driver that supports it.
Jun 04 22:10:45 <SpeedEvil> Someone reverse engineers it.
Jun 04 22:10:45 <wurp2> I thought the whole point of this conversation is that balrog-kun is talking about what he can do if he gets hw acceleration working
Jun 04 22:10:48 <balrog-kun> SpeedEvil: it gains tons of time when it doesn't have to decode, and the amount of data to transfer to the VRAM is the size of the file
Jun 04 22:10:50 <SpeedEvil> Or someone leaks the docs.
Jun 04 22:11:19 <SpeedEvil> balrog-kun: Oh I completely agree. If you can simply throw the video stream at the glamo and have it decode it, it all works just fine.
Jun 04 22:11:45 <SpeedEvil> balrog-kun: As I understood it, there was no way to do this though.
Jun 04 22:11:50 <balrog-kun> SpeedEvil: well, you have to demux the audio from video, but that's pretty much all you have to do
Jun 04 22:11:53 <balrog-kun> plus decode audio
Jun 04 22:12:08 <balrog-kun> actually the Glamo also decodes mp3, but i'm not going to implement that
Jun 04 22:12:29 <SpeedEvil> balrog-kun: Oh - you have docs?
Jun 04 22:12:37 * SpeedEvil missed that.
Jun 04 22:12:59 <balrog-kun> SpeedEvil: no, i have the code from SMedia and the some code written by Harald (which is much more readable)
Jun 04 22:13:20 <SpeedEvil> balrog-kun: Ah - which implements the mpeg4 bit?
Jun 04 22:13:33 <balrog-kun> and a permission from Harald and olv to release it under GPL
Jun 04 22:13:39 <SpeedEvil> I assume it's designed to do mp3 decode to an external ADC?
Jun 04 22:13:43 <SpeedEvil> Oooh nice.
Jun 04 22:13:45 <balrog-kun> SpeedEvil: not really, but there's enough information i thinkk
Jun 04 22:14:12 <igor321> but you're working on it? mpeg4, specifically?
Jun 04 22:14:12 * SpeedEvil wishes for a accel chip that could do scatter-gather from the SD
Jun 04 22:14:25 <SpeedEvil> Ignore all of the above then.
Jun 04 22:14:31 <SpeedEvil> I was assuming you diddn't have docs.
Jun 04 22:14:38 <balrog-kun> igor321: nope, in this moment i'm playing with hardware cursor in the framebuffer
Jun 04 22:14:49 <SpeedEvil> Hardware cursor!
Jun 04 22:14:59 <SpeedEvil> Wow - now that's a feature the iphone doesn't have!
Jun 04 22:15:02 <SpeedEvil> :)
Jun 04 22:15:06 <balrog-kun> igor321: i posted a patch to openmoko-kernel today, but it crashes the glamo after a while
Jun 04 22:15:19 <igor321> balrog-kun: how capable is the hardware mpeg4 decoder in glamo?
Jun 04 22:16:02 <balrog-kun> igor321: not very capable :(  and i hoped it would be able to do mpeg1/2 if it does 4 but it's 4 only
Jun 04 22:16:29 <igor321> too bad, no dvb-t then
Jun 04 22:16:33 <balrog-kun> it seems to be designed for a phone with a crappy camera and a tiny screen
Jun 04 22:16:38 <igor321> dammit
Jun 04 22:16:50 <igor321> i was hoping for 640x480 video
Jun 04 22:17:09 <igor321> still, you're work is VERY appreciated
Jun 04 22:17:12 <balrog-kun> igor321: it can do 640x480 at 12fps max
Jun 04 22:17:32 <igor321> i thought that glamo was a lost cause and given up on :)
Jun 04 22:17:55 <balrog-kun> or 352x288 at 30fps, these are the two modes
Jun 04 22:18:12 <igor321> that's some weird pal resolution?
Jun 04 22:18:15 <balrog-kun> or any smaller resolution or lower fps in eithermode
Jun 04 22:18:24 <wurp2> That is the beauty of open source.  If someone smart enough cares enough, not much is a lost cause.
Jun 04 22:18:55 <igor321> sure is :)
Jun 04 22:19:44 <abraxa_> igor321: 1/4th of PAL indeed (aka CIF)
Jun 04 22:20:50 <igor321> opengl implementation on glamo useless?
Jun 04 22:21:19 <balrog-kun> since there's a number of clock control registers i wonder if the chip can be overclocked to do higher fps at 640x480 pixels
Jun 04 22:22:33 <wurp2> balrog-kun: Do you know if it can be made to stretch the image?
Jun 04 22:22:49 <igor321> wurp2: i belive it can
Jun 04 22:23:33 <balrog-kun> wurp2: yes, it can
Jun 04 22:23:40 <balrog-kun> Xglamo already implements that and is opensource
Jun 04 22:23:48 <igor321> balrog-kun: how did you get the 12 fps max number? is that from the docs? a know limitation? or from some testing?
Jun 04 22:24:01 <igor321> *known
Jun 04 22:24:10 <balrog-kun> igor321: it's from the specs, yes
Jun 04 22:25:12 <igor321> it would be nice if you could push it to 20 by overclocking, that's completely watchable
Jun 04 22:25:30 <SpeedEvil> It doesn't matter
Jun 04 22:25:47 <SpeedEvil> I mean - from a watchability perspective
Jun 04 22:25:56 <balrog-kun> igor321: i'm not sure if you can see a difference between 352x288 and 640x480 well at this size screen
Jun 04 22:25:57 <igor321> why so?
Jun 04 22:26:01 <SpeedEvil> yeah - that
Jun 04 22:26:09 <SpeedEvil> 140dpi vs 285 dpi on motion video
Jun 04 22:26:13 <igor321> yeah, i guess so :)
Jun 04 22:26:21 <SpeedEvil> you may barely be able to tell if you're reading very small subtitles
Jun 04 22:26:30 <SpeedEvil> but otherwise - not really
Jun 04 22:26:42 <balrog-kun> perhaps you can see a difference but it shouldn't be that annoying
Jun 04 22:26:51 <igor321> hardware mpeg4 would be gift enough, no problem how crappy
Jun 04 22:27:05 <igor321> we could always transcode to something optimal
Jun 04 22:27:14 <igor321> thing of the posiblities, mythmoko :)
Jun 04 22:27:23 <igor321> *think
Jun 04 22:27:51 * SpeedEvil wonders if the chip can be used to do hardware transcoding
Jun 04 22:28:01 <SpeedEvil> Actually - no
Jun 04 22:28:15 <SpeedEvil> at best it'd give you a raw video stream to encode
Jun 04 22:29:12 <balrog-kun> one of the submodules is called RISC
Jun 04 22:29:18 <balrog-kun> i wonder if that's programmable
Jun 04 22:29:25 <cyrilRomain> anyone here know how to run qemu from within a chrooted environment? I can't get rid of 'Could not initialize SDL' even with 'xhost +' or 'xhost + localhost' before chrooting :-/
Jun 04 22:30:00 <balrog-kun> cyrilRomain: does xlcock run in the chroot?
Jun 04 22:30:02 <balrog-kun> cyrilRomain: is your Xserver listening on tcp?
Jun 04 22:30:30 <SpeedEvil> balrog-kun: your next task - work out how to use the RISC part to read a list of blocks from the SD, and play them.
Jun 04 22:30:31 <cyrilRomain> balrog-kun: thanks to remind me that tcp listening!
Jun 04 22:30:48 <SpeedEvil> balrog-kun: thanks for all your work in getting video working! :)
Jun 04 22:31:26 <balrog-kun> SpeedEvil: i've done almost no work yet :p
Jun 04 22:31:45 <balrog-kun> SpeedEvil: but if i completely fail to achieve anything i guess i can just put up the code somewhere
Jun 04 22:32:42 <balrog-kun> the RISC part is not used by any of the code there exists from SMedia
Jun 04 22:32:52 <tomboy64> balrog-kun: could you have a look at http://rafb.net/p/Vp48uc84.html ?
Jun 04 22:33:00 <tomboy64> libsdl-mixer fails to build
Jun 04 22:33:01 <balrog-kun> mayeb it could run linux or do matrix multiplication like the NVidia chips :)
Jun 04 22:33:04 <tomboy64> because of my libc
Jun 04 22:33:29 <tomboy64> and i don't quite have a clue on what to do :-/
Jun 04 22:34:14 <balrog-kun> tomboy64: i don't have a clue either :/
Jun 04 22:34:19 <tomboy64> or some other dev happening to know his way with oe?
Jun 04 22:34:21 <tomboy64> meh
Jun 04 22:34:22 <balrog-kun> are you using the binary toolchain that someone posted?
Jun 04 22:34:25 <tomboy64> that sux
Jun 04 22:34:33 <tomboy64> uh, no, mokomakefile
Jun 04 22:34:53 <tomboy64> make openmoko-devel-image
Jun 04 22:34:57 <woglinde> tomboy /usr/lib/libc.a: could not read symbols: File format not recognized
Jun 04 22:35:05 <woglinde> sdl is somehow rotten in oe
Jun 04 22:35:07 <tomboy64> yes
Jun 04 22:35:11 <tomboy64> doh
Jun 04 22:35:12 <woglinde> and therefore in openmoko too
Jun 04 22:35:23 <tomboy64> so what to do about that?
Jun 04 22:35:45 <woglinde> -L/usr/lib
Jun 04 22:35:46 <wurp2> good night/day/whatever it is wherever you are, all
Jun 04 22:35:55 <woglinde> line above
Jun 04 22:35:58 <woglinde> is the evil
Jun 04 22:38:13 <tomboy64> do i have to remove it?
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Jun 04 22:41:30 <cyrilRomain> balrog-kun: ok, I even don't need the listen tcp with mount /tmp /mychroot/tmp --bind
Jun 04 22:42:14 <tomboy64> :-|
Jun 04 22:43:11 <woglinde> tomboy seems so you have to patch it
Jun 04 22:43:26 <tomboy64> and what am i looking for?
Jun 04 22:43:34 <SpeedEvil> Oops.
Jun 04 22:43:43 <cyrilRomain> tomboy64: probably in a configure.in or Makefile.am/in file
Jun 04 22:43:54 <woglinde> I am trying it myself at the moment
Jun 04 22:43:56 <tomboy64> ok
Jun 04 22:44:02 <woglinde> have to wait 20 minutes or so
Jun 04 22:44:06 * SpeedEvil just checked the last topics.
Jun 04 22:44:07 <tomboy64> kk
Jun 04 22:44:11 <woglinde> then I can tell you
Jun 04 22:44:24 <woglinde> Running task 382 of 783 
Jun 04 22:44:49 <woglinde> hm maybee I has should use sdl-fb
Jun 04 22:44:53 <woglinde> had
Jun 04 22:45:13 <tomboy64> mhmmm
Jun 04 22:45:25 <tomboy64> .am and .in don't contain anything like it :-/
Jun 04 22:54:24 <duffyd> hi can someone plz point me at the online gallery that shows what's included in the freerunner box?
Jun 04 22:54:39 * duffyd seems to have deleted the email :(
Jun 04 22:56:33 <duffyd> found it :)
Jun 04 22:58:16 <tomboy64> monochromementality?
Jun 04 22:59:28 <tomboy64> lol
Jun 04 22:59:35 <Qwell> that word hurt my brain
Jun 04 22:59:57 <Qwell> s/me//
Jun 04 23:00:33 * tomboy64 hands Qwell a wooden hammer
Jun 04 23:00:36 <tomboy64> http://monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/Day-One-Openmoko-Freerunner.html
Jun 04 23:00:53 <tomboy64> (in case you're not subscribed to the community ml
Jun 04 23:00:55 <tomboy64> )
Jun 04 23:01:27 <kdean06> Qwell, Two words. :)
Jun 04 23:01:32 <kdean06> Monochrome. Mentality. :)
Jun 04 23:16:56 <tomboy64> woglinde: are you having a look into it? or should i wait till tomorrow?
Jun 04 23:17:19 <woglinde> hm yes
Jun 04 23:17:25 <woglinde> but libsdl-x11 is failing too
Jun 04 23:17:32 <cyrilRomain> tomboy64, woglinde: libsdl-mixer built fine here with oe repository (but files are the same in OM repository)
Jun 04 23:17:34 <woglinde> but I am using cutting edge soft
Jun 04 23:17:42 <woglinde> like automake 1.10
Jun 04 23:18:14 <tomboy64> automake 1.10.1 here
Jun 04 23:19:29 <woglinde> shure you om build automake 1.10
Jun 04 23:19:31 <woglinde> I bet not
Jun 04 23:19:41 <tomboy64> :-D
Jun 04 23:19:44 <tomboy64> how would i check?
Jun 04 23:20:01 <woglinde> oetmp/work/i686
Jun 04 23:20:10 <tomboy64> nope, uses 1.9
Jun 04 23:20:13 <woglinde> whereever om-majefile puts that
Jun 04 23:20:15 <tomboy64> according to config.log
Jun 04 23:20:18 <woglinde> as I said
Jun 04 23:20:54 <summatusmentis> has anyone tried putting OpenMoko on the Zaurus?
Jun 04 23:23:12 <tomboy64> mhmmm
Jun 04 23:23:14 <woglinde> summatusmentis should work
Jun 04 23:23:18 <tomboy64> i feel like an analphabet
Jun 04 23:23:29 <woglinde> but I dont know what you want with a dialer on the zaurus
Jun 04 23:23:31 <woglinde> okay
Jun 04 23:23:39 <woglinde> sdl needs autotools anyway
Jun 04 23:23:46 <woglinde> but I will go to sleep now
Jun 04 23:24:01 <tomboy64> any hints on what to look for?
Jun 04 23:24:28 <tomboy64> otherwise, good night and sleep well
Jun 04 23:24:38 <woglinde> LDFLAGS
Jun 04 23:25:10 <tomboy64> ok
Jun 04 23:25:12 <tomboy64> thanks
Jun 04 23:25:14 <tomboy64> nightnight
Jun 05 00:18:48 <linuxxr> Openmoko has eliminated the need for a non-free GPS device driver so Freerunner users can now make use of GPS features without comprimising the integrity of their devices.
Jun 05 00:19:08 <linuxxr> how so?
Jun 05 00:19:32 <SpeedEvil> Spin - largely IMO.
Jun 05 00:19:44 <mmontour> Freerunner switched to a GPS chip that doesn't require a binary driver to run on the host CPU.
Jun 05 00:19:58 * SpeedEvil wishes for a different history.
Jun 05 00:20:01 <kukinchi> hi
Jun 05 00:20:25 <SpeedEvil> Where HH docs had been available, or the reverse engineering had worked before the announce.
Jun 05 00:20:27 <kukinchi> can i make python apps for openmoko as for symbian?
Jun 05 00:20:46 <SpeedEvil> you cna make python apps
Jun 05 00:20:56 <SpeedEvil> I can't address 'as for symbian'
Jun 05 00:21:05 <SpeedEvil> google pyroute openmoko
Jun 05 00:21:15 <kukinchi> cool thanks
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