**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 16 02:59:57 2008 Jun 16 04:41:39 Hi geeks Jun 16 04:56:10 hio. Jun 16 06:21:03 while booting image in qemu, I get lot's of 's3c2410_nand_calculate_ecc' and 's3c2410_nand_correct_data', is that normal ? Jun 16 06:41:33 good morning Jun 16 07:07:23 Hmm~ Anyone here work for Alltel? Jun 16 07:12:25 openmoko: 03zecke * r20e3e59d1ee7 10/src/applications/addressbook/addressbook.cpp: [speeddial] Remove the add to speed dial from addressbook (#1475) Jun 16 07:35:49 April Software update is coming in June? Jun 16 07:50:46 tessier: dont hold breath Jun 16 07:51:08 I'm not Jun 16 07:51:35 morning Jun 16 07:58:55 mojn, mojn, ... Jun 16 07:59:52 Marcel_M: kannst du grad builden? meins compiliert gmp nicht... Jun 16 08:01:55 ? Jun 16 08:02:34 sry, wrong channel ;) Jun 16 08:03:52 emdete: I checked in a fix for that last week Jun 16 08:04:21 XorA: last week? i got that yesterday... updated oe before. what was fixed? Jun 16 08:04:58 XorA: i tried to update bb also but the svn server was down Jun 16 08:04:59 emdete: oh, if you build from OE it wont be changed, you need to change preffered gmp-native to 4.2.2 Jun 16 08:05:21 ah, okay, thanks! Jun 16 08:05:38 (wonderful how this channel answers even questions in the wrong language :D ) Jun 16 08:07:14 emdete: that was about the limit of my German understanding :-) Jun 16 08:42:41 I had successfully compiled openmoko kernel for GTA02 using openmoko makefile.... Now i wanna GTA01 image, should i start d build from first or is there any shortcut?? Jun 16 08:49:56 anyone here??? Jun 16 08:53:43 mass_stor: just change the MACHINE= Jun 16 08:57:48 XorA: where did you change the gmp version? Jun 16 08:58:13 prefferred-om-2008-versions.inc Jun 16 09:00:54 mass_stor: the makefile can switch Jun 16 09:01:55 make setup-machine-gta01 Jun 16 09:02:15 or as XorA says edit your local.conf Jun 16 09:02:39 * XorA has no idea how to do it in MokoMakefile Jun 16 09:02:47 what does "Error, TMPDIR has changed location." mean? Jun 16 09:03:46 emdete: thats a new one on me Jun 16 09:06:01 XorA: i don't use mokomakefile anymore since mickey convinced me not to do so... maybe i should switch back to it? Jun 16 09:06:46 how is the easy way to check machine dependencies? for some kernel, packet compilation Jun 16 09:06:56 it's better to check it with bitbake? Jun 16 09:06:57 emdete: my guess is the TMPDIR variable changed Jun 16 09:07:07 emdete: or you copied the builddir somewhere else Jun 16 09:07:42 methril: you mean like bitbake -g target which dumps the depends as .dot files Jun 16 09:10:58 let me explain Jun 16 09:11:16 if i'd like to adapt one bbclas to a new "machine" Jun 16 09:11:57 and i have to make some patches to get it working, how could i see the "patches" applied for 1 platform, to take care of not applying taht to another the new one? Jun 16 09:16:29 see linux .bb for an example Jun 16 09:19:26 there is a new community update: freerunner will be released the first july ;) Jun 16 09:21:03 noooo!never! Jun 16 09:21:06 we can't allow that Jun 16 09:21:28 * raster sends freerunner back to the factory Jun 16 09:21:30 :) Jun 16 09:21:36 :P Jun 16 09:22:04 hehe Jun 16 09:22:50 MUHAHAHAHAHAHA Jun 16 09:22:55 * raster laughs evilly Jun 16 09:23:26 i'f you do that, some fans are going to kill you Jun 16 09:24:37 probably Jun 16 09:24:50 but i will have had my fun Jun 16 09:24:52 MUAHHAHAHA Jun 16 09:24:54 :) Jun 16 09:24:55 ok Jun 16 09:24:57 back to connman Jun 16 09:25:21 how shall i get updates on signal strength... Jun 16 09:25:24 that is the q Jun 16 09:31:52 wait a second... shouldn;t that be called "Uniquity" or something totally unrelated... Jun 16 09:32:10 I mean, connman sounds way too much like connection manager ... Jun 16 09:33:56 ScaredyCat: Im waiting for Apathy to be an app name Jun 16 09:34:10 lol Jun 16 09:34:38 tat'd be an app where you wouldn't care if it started or not... Jun 16 09:35:21 an app that is always running, couse u never care to close it Jun 16 09:36:33 ScaredyCat: it is indeed just that Jun 16 09:36:59 XorA: thats an app that doesnt care about you, the user Jun 16 09:37:00 :) Jun 16 09:37:06 it just does whatever it wants Jun 16 09:37:13 abd "bah humbug" to you Jun 16 09:37:16 :) Jun 16 09:40:11 yeah, I was just being sarcastic about the other app names raster... Jun 16 09:40:15 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie * r004c13c5474d 10/ (8 files in 5 dirs): Created a small test application using gtk Jun 16 09:40:53 * cb22 thought Apathy would be the name used for the cron replacement Jun 16 09:41:02 * rwhitby agrees with ScaredyCat about the weird names Jun 16 09:41:31 When I saw Assassin, I thought "wow, they've got spam handling done already ..." Jun 16 09:41:59 and for "Diversity" I thought, "Hmm, what's racial equality got to do with the ASU?" Jun 16 09:42:19 hahahahhaha Jun 16 09:42:48 rwhitby: you sound like my friend, when an inequality gets asked in a maths exam, goes starts writing about apartheid in south afruca :) Jun 16 09:43:00 s/goes/he/ Jun 16 09:43:00 cb22 meant: rwhitby: you sound like my friend, when an inequality gets asked in a maths exam, he starts writing about apartheid in south afruca :) Jun 16 09:43:32 afruca Jun 16 09:44:00 i'm thinking mer eferka Jun 16 09:44:02 more Jun 16 09:44:11 raster: pfft, not everyone has a dictionary based autocorrecting keyboard yet! Jun 16 09:44:18 hahaha Jun 16 09:49:31 * cb22 plays around with PyPy and ShedSkin Jun 16 09:51:10 http://despair.com/ap24x30prin.html Jun 16 09:52:29 perfect Jun 16 09:52:31 Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? Jun 16 09:52:43 I don't know and I don't care. Jun 16 09:53:20 hehehe Jun 16 09:59:41 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie * r26edc338a994 10/TODO: Added TODO file Jun 16 10:03:14 oh just great Jun 16 10:03:19 wp_supplicant doesnt support this Jun 16 10:03:23 fan-bloody-tastic Jun 16 11:02:32 for a one month old build, it is better to clean and re-build? Jun 16 11:22:58 josch, aren't you the one who released the debian image for OM? Jun 16 11:24:31 mbuf: yes he is Jun 16 11:25:06 edistar, josch good; would like to know of any documentation on how i can build the images for OM Jun 16 11:27:10 mickeyl: Have you had the chance to try gsmd2 again? Try compiling it with --disable-tests if you are still having problems with python Jun 16 11:27:37 mbuf: you mean for the gta hw? you can find it in the wiki Jun 16 11:28:59 spyre: yep. compiles fine now. do you have a version number for me? Jun 16 11:29:08 right now it's 0.0.0+git... Jun 16 11:29:43 edistar, yes; i thought they were instructions on how to configure and use pre-built images Jun 16 11:30:09 mbuf: check neo1973-germany.de Jun 16 11:30:17 edistar, ok Jun 16 11:30:21 mbuf: and join #neo1973-germany ! Jun 16 11:36:01 XorA: I have configured for GTA01 build but there is an error when i try to build after changin the build/temp/local.conf file... the error is http://mibbit.com/pb/snsHyj. NOTE: i had already built an image for GTA02, i m trying to use the same to build my Jun 16 11:36:07 GTA01 image Jun 16 11:37:03 mickeyl: we havent talked about that with hepaajan, but I'd go with 0.1 for now :) Jun 16 11:37:18 spyre: righto Jun 16 11:37:21 sqlite3.OperationalError: attempt to write a readonly database Jun 16 11:37:29 did you change user or something Jun 16 11:38:16 mickeyl: did you get gsmd2 to actually work? :) Jun 16 11:39:10 Hi, is anybody here familiar with accelerometers ike these in GTA02? Trying to get the data from the different axis but currently I'm only getting the Z by this command: Jun 16 11:39:10 hexdump /dev/input/event3 | grep ".* .* .* .* .* 0002 0002 .* .*$" | Jun 16 11:39:10 cut -d' ' -f8 Jun 16 11:39:24 The only doc I found was this one http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-March/001625.html Jun 16 11:39:24 I had built my GTA02 using openmoko makefile. Now when i try to build for GTA01 using the same i get the following error... http://mibbit.com/pb/snsHyj . Isnt it possible to build a image from the already finished build process for saving time.... Jun 16 11:39:56 XorA: no... but it has been 4 days since i built the previous one... Jun 16 11:40:05 spyre: it compiles, but i had no chance to test. I'm releasing Framework/Zhone milestone 1 today, after that it's on my list of things to do asap Jun 16 11:41:37 XorA: I checked out the permissions and granted all permission for all groups as i got the error: readonly database. Just made that try.... Jun 16 11:41:42 mickeyl: ok, great Jun 16 11:43:11 ok, version 963f34df8fa3ff4b301079dcf86e9acea6b6fe0f is in OE now and compiles fine Jun 16 11:52:30 can we boot ASU image from SD, while still having the openmoko-devel-image from flash? Jun 16 11:54:03 * balrog-kun hugs "screen /dev/console" Jun 16 12:01:20 XorA: really i hav no idea and i m trying all things to make it work. Cud u figure out wat had gone wrong?? Jun 16 12:05:15 mickeyl: SendAuthCode seems to be twice in specs/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.xml.in Jun 16 12:05:26 mass_stor: I can only guess for some reason your database is corrupt or read only Jun 16 12:06:39 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r2d13a51b886b 10/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.xml.in: otapi: remove double SendAuthCode in org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.xml.in, thanks hepaajan! Jun 16 13:42:23 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * rcb7c867f990d 10/odeviced/modules/idlenotifier.py: python-odeviced: Allow the idlenotifier to be reset via dbus Jun 16 13:43:14 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * r6741e5e0611f 10/src/zhone: Reset the idlenotifier when the callstatus changes Jun 16 13:58:12 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * r3674953cb0ea 10/src/zhone: Work around power button event after resuming Jun 16 14:38:05 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rb215bcc1deac 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade splinter to r427 as of Jeremy's request Jun 16 14:56:31 hello, speedEvil here? Jun 16 15:40:18 dcordes: You're welcome, for whatever it is I helped you with :-) Jun 16 15:49:53 balrog-kun: hi, have somebody written needed files for qemu gta02fake emulation? Jun 16 15:53:51 ls Jun 16 15:54:14 ups := Jun 16 15:54:46 You trying to list us all! Oh my God! ;) Jun 16 15:56:08 i want a moko Jun 16 15:56:12 and i want it *NOW* Jun 16 15:57:02 ebbe: rm -rf / :> Jun 16 15:57:07 you've to wait, or go make a robery in Fic's factory ;) Jun 16 15:57:28 tomboy64: I'll get the ski masks... Jun 16 15:57:41 mhmm Jun 16 15:57:43 k Jun 16 15:57:47 i'll organize the pumpguns Jun 16 15:57:56 do we need grenades? Jun 16 15:58:02 just a few Jun 16 15:58:11 oki Jun 16 15:58:12 let's roll Jun 16 15:59:13 pick a bunch of laser trip bombe, it's said to work well Jun 16 15:59:31 i don't wanna lay mines Jun 16 15:59:48 it's a quick op - in, get a moko, one for a friend, and out again Jun 16 16:03:30 tomboy64: Or attend the right university and order one. Jun 16 16:03:41 :) Jun 16 16:13:01 hi, is there some kind of openmoko emulator? Jun 16 16:13:57 like for developing/testing applications without actually having and openmoko phone? Jun 16 16:14:49 sonium: qemu Jun 16 16:17:02 the Freerunner will probably arrive after the iPhone 3G Jun 16 16:17:13 I suppose it compares quite badly to it? Jun 16 16:17:19 is there some comparison somewhere? Jun 16 16:17:24 sonium: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu Jun 16 16:17:27 loufoque: Not on openness Jun 16 16:17:33 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * ra5d30b417713 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [gdbus] Add libgdbus of moblin for connman Jun 16 16:17:33 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r9af5b0e1f91f 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [connman] Add connman as we want to use it for ASU/exposure Jun 16 16:17:37 loufoque: Search the wiki Jun 16 16:17:44 sandman__: thank you Jun 16 16:17:59 the wifi only has comparison with the first iphone Jun 16 16:18:38 loufoque: If you buy the FR when it comes out, and your expectations on software functionality have anything to do with the iphone, you will be sorely disappointed Jun 16 16:19:04 loufoque: If you are interested in a platform to hack on, or you care about openness of hardware, software, and cell provider, you will be delighted Jun 16 16:19:41 and it is much more cheaper Jun 16 16:19:53 sonium: how so? Jun 16 16:19:59 it seems to be about the same price to me Jun 16 16:20:31 The few things I can think of that FR will be far superior to iphone on at release are GPS (with no monthly charge), bluetooth keyboard/mouse/etc, and having a linux terminal :-) Jun 16 16:20:41 iphone 1500Eur (at least here in germany), neo: about 300Eur? Jun 16 16:20:48 loufoque: You don't consider the required, expensive, AT&T contract? Jun 16 16:21:00 wurp2: it isn't required. Jun 16 16:21:11 loufoque: For the new iphone, it certainly is Jun 16 16:21:40 in my country that kind of practice is illegal. Jun 16 16:21:42 loufoque: You must sign a contract before you can walk out of the store with one, or so I've heard from multiple sources Jun 16 16:22:07 I do realize it wasn't (isn't?) required for the "old" iphone Jun 16 16:22:19 loufoque: Well, then I think Apple will sell them more expensive in your country Jun 16 16:22:54 the cheapest iphone 3g (16Gb) including contract is exactly 970Eur in germany Jun 16 16:23:18 loufoque: Sorry, I missed your comment there. I agree with ebbe Jun 16 16:24:59 btw: did you actually get some Google summer of code students to do this quite difficulult stuff like differential GPS? Jun 16 16:28:43 sonium: I don't think anyone from OM is active in the room now, but see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Summer_of_code Jun 16 16:28:59 It looks as if the answer is no Jun 16 16:29:54 but the accepted projects also seem quite non-trivial Jun 16 16:30:34 openmoko seems to attract skilled people Jun 16 16:35:53 sonium: Yeah, there's a lot of great stuff going on Jun 16 16:36:10 And I think there is a differential gps project; it's just not GSoC Jun 16 16:44:29 wurp2: you were also interested in pyqt and qtopia, right? Jun 16 16:56:40 cb22: Yes Jun 16 16:56:57 cb22: I'm not sure how much I'm interested in pyqt until I have some time playing with Qtopia Jun 16 16:56:58 hmm, are there any current or future perl support on openmoko? Jun 16 16:58:06 hi all Jun 16 16:58:10 how are you?? Jun 16 16:58:10 peachy, ahmed Jun 16 16:58:36 i have a question Jun 16 16:58:51 i already had the environment setup Jun 16 16:59:10 for buidling openmoko using the moko make file Jun 16 16:59:19 and after finishing environment Jun 16 16:59:33 i started to make openmoko-devel-image Jun 16 16:59:41 t_s_o: Looks like perl is running on it: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokopedia Jun 16 16:59:52 but thr following error shown up Jun 16 16:59:57 but ruby? Jun 16 17:00:12 ebbe, no this is outdated Jun 16 17:00:15 ( cd build && . ../setup-env && \ Jun 16 17:00:16 ( bitbake openmoko-devel-image u-boot-openmoko ) ) Jun 16 17:00:18 ERROR: Openembedded's config sanity checker detected a potential misconfiguration. Jun 16 17:00:20 Either fix the cause of this error or at your own risk disable the checker (see sanity.conf). Jun 16 17:00:21 Following is the list of potential problems / advisories: Jun 16 17:00:22 /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr is not 0. This will cause problems with qemu so please fix the value (as root). Jun 16 17:00:30 ahmed, use nopaste Jun 16 17:00:30 i am using ubuntu 8.04 Jun 16 17:00:30 ahmed: pastebin Jun 16 17:00:36 pls help Jun 16 17:01:04 "josch" what is nopaste Jun 16 17:01:06 t_s_o, you should use python instead of perl ;) Jun 16 17:01:09 ~pastebin Jun 16 17:01:10 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste Jun 16 17:01:23 thx zash ;) Jun 16 17:01:32 josch: im asking on behalf of someone else... Jun 16 17:01:36 hello Jun 16 17:01:47 so any opinion? Jun 16 17:01:54 t_s_o, as i worked with it a year ago - i can confirm that it is working Jun 16 17:02:07 t_s_o, but some packages need to be slightly fixed Jun 16 17:02:42 t_s_o, (I'm the guy that wrote Mokopedia that used perl at that time) Jun 16 17:03:02 hay guys ..do you wish to help Jun 16 17:03:20 ok Jun 16 17:03:37 does somebody know if the sd-card slot works on a gta01 V3? Jun 16 17:07:29 noon, lol? Jun 16 17:09:14 "rwhitby" : hi ,, pls i have a question regarding openmoko-devel-image Jun 16 17:11:05 ahmed, you have to give us more input until somebody can help Jun 16 17:11:23 ahmed, what howto did you follow for building the image from source? Jun 16 17:11:30 and why do you want to do that? Jun 16 17:11:53 josch: whats funny about this? Jun 16 17:12:07 noon, i never heard of sd NOT working Jun 16 17:12:25 iam buidling openmoko to obtain the image to use it with neo 1973 Jun 16 17:12:33 i am using the make file Jun 16 17:12:35 ahmed, you can download prebuild images Jun 16 17:13:04 yes , but for convenience i just need to know where this error came from Jun 16 17:13:20 as i built it few months ago and every thing were fine Jun 16 17:13:28 ahmed: that error is related to hardy heron, it's documented here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:MokoMakefile Jun 16 17:14:01 i don't know if it's a fix but I ran edited /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr Jun 16 17:14:07 and placed a 0 in it Jun 16 17:14:13 I could build after this Jun 16 17:15:07 yes sandman, thank you .. but when i tried to do that Jun 16 17:15:26 it said that i can't update this file as i am not the root Jun 16 17:15:33 so any suggestions Jun 16 17:15:34 ? Jun 16 17:16:39 hay, sandman still there? Jun 16 17:16:56 (sorry for the dumb question) but do you have root access on the box Jun 16 17:17:14 ahmed, try it with sudo? Jun 16 17:17:31 i suppose .. i've configured the account to have all the permissions it can has Jun 16 17:17:41 umm Jun 16 17:17:59 so josch , can you mention the whole command Jun 16 17:18:27 ahmed: sudo gedit /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr Jun 16 17:18:35 no Jun 16 17:18:52 echo '0' > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr Jun 16 17:18:57 this is the right command Jun 16 17:19:02 issue that as supersuer Jun 16 17:19:03 josch: no Jun 16 17:19:07 josch: i tested it with to differnet microsd. both work in my gps and my cardreader Jun 16 17:19:11 wurp2, no? Jun 16 17:19:33 josch: No, because he needs to run it as superuser, and he doesn't know how to do that :-) Jun 16 17:19:34 josch: if i put it in the neo i geht mmc crc errors and such stuff Jun 16 17:19:50 ahmed, to be root issue this command: Jun 16 17:19:52 sudo su Jun 16 17:19:59 ok Jun 16 17:20:00 then you get a new shell as root Jun 16 17:20:03 there you do: Jun 16 17:20:12 echo '0' > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr Jun 16 17:20:18 noon: I think 'sudo bash " echo '0' > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr' will also work Jun 16 17:20:26 right Jun 16 17:20:32 to avoid to do that on every reboot, put in your /etc/systcl.conf 'vm.mmap_min_addr = 0' Jun 16 17:20:53 noon: er, sorry, left out a quote: sudo bash " echo '0' > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr" Jun 16 17:21:04 with the sd-card i get a kernel panic... Jun 16 17:21:27 have to go hunting food now Jun 16 17:21:28 i try the sysctl aproche Jun 16 17:21:28 brb Jun 16 17:21:47 noon: That sounds like the best one. Thanks, cyrilRomain Jun 16 17:21:53 cyrilRomain: Could you update the wiki page? Jun 16 17:22:11 cyrilRomain: It's the price of being competent :-) Jun 16 17:22:38 wurp2: yeah, but on which page ? Jun 16 17:23:00 cyrilRomain: I think http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:MokoMakefile Jun 16 17:23:42 i have now one with fat16 and one with ext2. which should i put in? Jun 16 17:25:02 noon: I'm not sure what you are talking about. You should boot from ext2... Jun 16 17:25:29 The only reason I know of to have a fat16 partition is so you could xfer info from a windows machine by directly plugging the sd card in Jun 16 17:25:49 wurp2: i have one sd-card with fat16 and one, to see if the fs make any different, with ext2. Jun 16 17:25:59 i have no windos :-) Jun 16 17:26:35 noon: Ah, use the ext2 one Jun 16 17:26:54 noon: And if you don't plan to ever plug that card into a windows machine, if it were me I would reformat it to ext2 Jun 16 17:28:10 ok. now i have the kernelpanic... Jun 16 17:28:46 noon: Maybe it's the kernel Jun 16 17:28:54 is there an easy way to get the errormessages from the screen Jun 16 17:28:59 thanks all very much . now i can build Jun 16 17:29:09 ahmed: Egyptian you are ? Jun 16 17:30:09 i used the tested kernel "uImage-2.6.24+git20080430-r0-om-gta01.bin" with the corresponding rootfs Jun 16 17:31:04 noon: Maybe not then. There just were some errors in some of the 2.6.22 builds Jun 16 17:32:55 yes ,CVirus Jun 16 17:32:58 i am Jun 16 17:33:01 i try the kernel from yesterday Jun 16 17:33:07 (and rootfs) Jun 16 17:33:45 ahmed: interested in a group buy or so ? Jun 16 17:34:27 brb .. smoke Jun 16 17:35:45 ok Jun 16 17:43:18 http://synthroid.co.uk/ Jun 16 17:43:51 what is SMT? Jun 16 17:43:58 surface mounting tool? :) Jun 16 17:44:09 tech Jun 16 17:44:15 ack Jun 16 17:44:25 syn Jun 16 17:50:38 so, i uboot i can ls the ext2 fs on the sd-card Jun 16 17:51:32 but i think the rootfs for the gta01 from yesterday is broken. now i erased the rootfs and flash it again Jun 16 17:53:25 which fs is faster ext3 or zfs Jun 16 17:54:07 noon: The rootfs for the gta01 is often broken :-( Jun 16 17:54:29 noon: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:SnapshotReview Jun 16 17:54:36 julian2495322: there is no in-kernel implementation of zfs afaik, only fuse Jun 16 17:54:57 for linux Jun 16 18:05:11 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * rfc1958dadd2c 10/src/zhone: zhone: rewrite dbus handling to be more failsafe and callable from inside mainloop Jun 16 18:12:36 Question: I'm running Openmoko on a non-Neo HW platform, and the font-size in the UI is extremely small for some reason. Does anyone know how to control the font size? I'm running VGA and have tried to change the pixel size in Xdefaults but it doesn't change anything. Jun 16 18:13:01 wrywulf: Maybe the theme? Jun 16 18:14:29 wurp2: greate Jun 16 18:15:04 noon: You found one that works? Jun 16 18:16:19 wurp2: no Jun 16 18:16:25 I've tried that too.. It's not changing :/ Jun 16 18:16:27 still trying Jun 16 18:18:25 Listening to a podcast plugged into my car stereo system is great... The scream a 1973 makes as the battery dies... not so great. Jun 16 18:18:49 kdean06: build a car-charger Jun 16 18:19:14 I've got a car charger, just didn't bother to use it. Jun 16 18:31:51 so july, huh? How stable is software these days? Jun 16 18:36:31 are there incompatibilities with SIM cards? Jun 16 18:38:45 the test reports will tell us Jun 16 18:41:44 Roar-Shack: which software, 2007.2 (gtk stack) or ASU? Jun 16 18:41:50 In either case, the answer is "not very" Jun 16 18:51:19 anyone succeed to run a recent ASU image for gta01 with qemu ? Jun 16 18:52:08 It boots but then the console is flooded with s3c_nand_calculate_ecc and s3c_nand_correct_data :-/ Jun 16 18:52:57 with an inscreasing counter on the left (after gave up after 30 minutes, where it was near 500) Jun 16 19:05:09 wurp2 I just wanted to know how reliable it was to make and receive calls Jun 16 19:10:32 i read somewhere about the phone being available in the US (somewhere in july expected), any word on europe? Jun 16 19:11:20 henkie, you can buy it from trisoft Jun 16 19:11:31 öh... Jun 16 19:11:40 you will be able to buy it from trisoft :D Jun 16 19:12:27 tnx for the tip :) Jun 16 19:13:02 henkie, you are from netherlands? Jun 16 19:13:12 josch, yes i am Jun 16 19:13:16 do you happen to speak german? Jun 16 19:13:36 josch, not very much i am afraid Jun 16 19:13:40 ah kk Jun 16 19:13:51 trisoft is a german distributor Jun 16 19:14:06 and they lurk around in our #neo1973-germany channel Jun 16 19:14:17 Price : 350,-- EUR incl. VAT i see Jun 16 19:14:34 right Jun 16 19:14:41 this is warrenty and stuff included Jun 16 19:15:12 hmm, according to the site the software is still not ready for daily use Jun 16 19:15:26 and i do plan to use the phone on a daily basis :) Jun 16 19:15:33 hrm... Jun 16 19:15:39 * josch wouldnt recommend this Jun 16 19:16:02 it's still more a hacker device Jun 16 19:16:17 but mickeyl 's zhone and phone api might change this Jun 16 19:16:58 josch, ah i see, then i'll will wait a little longer i think :) Jun 16 19:17:19 dont mind if not everything works 100%, but it must be usable for me Jun 16 19:20:57 can i use the strip from my host machnine so get smaller kernel modules for the openmoko? Jun 16 19:21:57 noon, what do you want to accomplish? Jun 16 19:22:27 noon: they should be already stripped Jun 16 19:22:33 noon: at least I think Jun 16 19:22:34 dos: you mean the flash.sh script? not that i know Jun 16 19:22:42 noon: nope, you can't Jun 16 19:23:02 noon: you can use arm-whatever-strip on vmlinux, because this is an ELF binary Jun 16 19:23:05 but not on zImage Jun 16 19:23:08 or Image Jun 16 19:23:33 or .ko or .o Jun 16 19:24:01 i have a kernel release with a different rootfs release Jun 16 19:24:27 the rootfs version for the kernel was broken, so i used an older one Jun 16 19:24:50 then i want to update the rootfs with the right kernelmodules Jun 16 19:25:43 but the new kernel modules are 2-5times bigger than the ones i deletet Jun 16 19:26:24 why dont you use sdcards if the nand is not enough for you? Jun 16 19:26:33 so i thought that the kernel modules from the tarball are not striped Jun 16 19:26:48 i think they only pack a small subset of all the modules on the rootfs Jun 16 19:26:52 josch: because i didn't get the sd-card to work Jun 16 19:27:21 noon, does it show up in /dev ? Jun 16 19:27:58 balrog-kun: i replaced the one on the rootfs. Jun 16 19:28:38 noon: don't put all of the modules from the tarball on the rootfs Jun 16 19:28:40 the only modules that are in the rootfs are for sound, bluetooth and usb Jun 16 19:28:41 josch, the kernel does not like the sd-card Jun 16 19:28:46 add just the once you are likely to need Jun 16 19:28:52 *ones Jun 16 19:28:55 so i get a kernel panic Jun 16 19:29:07 noon, you think it's the kernel? why not take a kernel that is known to work? Jun 16 19:29:44 josch: that has not worked Jun 16 19:29:59 every kernel can be buggy :p Jun 16 19:30:10 then i tried newer ones and finally i think i found a kernel that works but the rootfs is broken Jun 16 19:30:42 if you did try a kernel that worked for others - maybe your hardware is broken? but in this case a kernel panic is kind of... uncommon Jun 16 19:31:21 so i put on an older rootfs and have now put newer kernelmodules Jun 16 19:31:25 when was the test team hired ? Jun 16 19:32:28 now. i make an other run :-) Jun 16 19:40:36 scp download rate over the neo is crap Jun 16 19:40:52 But it's a little better than the scp download rate on any other phone I've had :-) Jun 16 19:41:07 it's 678kBit/sec for me Jun 16 19:41:31 josch: That's just a smidge higher than mine Jun 16 19:41:48 wurp2, you read from nand? Jun 16 19:41:55 i do everything on sdhc Jun 16 19:42:06 josch: I boot from nand Jun 16 19:42:18 josch: But the dl problem is the fact that I'm going over gprs, I'm sure :-) Jun 16 19:42:22 i love the flasher upload / download rate on n810 (although scp is not much better there) Jun 16 19:44:02 balrog-kun: me too Jun 16 19:47:18 dammit, my ScaredyCat release plays sound through both headset & handset when I plug in earplugs Jun 16 19:47:43 I copied an old copy of gsmheadset.state that I had over the one that I got with this release - it had no effect Jun 16 19:48:03 (and I unplugged & plugged back in the earplugs, of course, to get it to read the new file) Jun 16 19:48:38 i tested some state files for my debian setup Jun 16 19:48:51 for headset only the voip states worked Jun 16 19:50:46 greate. now i have a console with a login. but no X or ssh Jun 16 19:51:43 bah! dont need no stinkin' X Jun 16 19:52:14 what can i do with this? or do i need to reboot? Jun 16 19:52:24 noon: Weird. I don't see how you could not have ssh Jun 16 19:52:30 noon: Yeah, reboot first Jun 16 19:52:43 noon: Lots of the releases fail to boot properly about 1 time in 3 :-( Jun 16 19:53:10 noon: But you should definitely have ssh. I'll bet your usb0 interface isn't set up properly on the PC side Jun 16 19:53:54 now. i see the console again Jun 16 19:54:12 (none) login: Jun 16 19:54:56 noon: were there any messages about no disc space? Jun 16 19:55:41 yes, when i put on the kernel modules Jun 16 19:55:52 that causes ssh to fail to generate keys on the first boot, and subsequently start sshd Jun 16 19:56:10 i saw an orange floppy and got a warning about low disk space Jun 16 19:56:31 balrog-kun: i made a first boot with the old kernel modules Jun 16 19:57:25 okey. so i flash the old rootfs and replace only the needed kernel modules and make another run Jun 16 20:01:54 hi all , i have a problem regarding openmoko build using ubuntu 8.04 Jun 16 20:02:59 all i need that i have a file /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr , and i want to touch it with value 0 ... but i need a permanent method , not temporary one Jun 16 20:03:22 well shoot ubuntu then Jun 16 20:03:48 i hope to do this but will cause my ubuntu get killed Jun 16 20:03:52 engBASA: put the echo in /etc/rc.local Jun 16 20:04:02 cyrilRomain: Did you look in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:MokoMakefile ? Jun 16 20:04:05 engBASA: then it runs on every boot Jun 16 20:04:19 XorA|gone: I think there's a better solution that cyrilRomain put into http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:MokoMakefile earlier Jun 16 20:04:55 engBASA: what XorA|gone said or add a /etc/init.d script to do it or there may be a sysctl config file somewhere in /etc already like there is on gentoo Jun 16 20:05:01 yes Jun 16 20:05:14 http://monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/Photo-Tour-of-the-ASU.html Jun 16 20:05:15 engBASA: read that wiki link, that;ll work simplet Jun 16 20:05:18 simpler Jun 16 20:05:36 Per cyrilRomain: Add 'vm.mmap_min_addr = 0' (without quotes) to the /etc/systcl.conf file. For instance with vi: 'sudo vi /etc/systcl.conf' Jun 16 20:06:12 s/tcl/ctl/ Jun 16 20:06:52 balrog-kun: Good point; I'll fix the wiki page Jun 16 20:06:56 sudoedit Jun 16 20:06:59 is the shit Jun 16 20:07:57 export VISUAL=`which your-favorite-editor`; sudoedit /somefile Jun 16 20:08:35 zash: How is that better than 'sudo vi'? Jun 16 20:08:56 "sudo passwd" and never have to deal with sudo again :) Jun 16 20:09:19 wurp2: sudoe Jun 16 20:09:35 wibbit: or sudo -e, wich is the same Jun 16 20:09:53 s/wibbit/wurp2/ Jun 16 20:09:54 zash meant: wurp2: or sudo -e, wich is the same Jun 16 20:10:03 wurp2: what is vi ? Jun 16 20:10:17 engBASA: texteditor Jun 16 20:10:27 yes Jun 16 20:10:32 engBASA: That you probably should avoid if you haven't heard of it before :-) Jun 16 20:11:03 zash: So the benefit of sudoedit vs sudo vi is that it saves me one keystroke? Jun 16 20:11:32 wurp2: also sudoedit does not run the editor as root Jun 16 20:11:50 wurp2: it copies the file to a tempfile, and then runs the editor as normal user Jun 16 20:12:00 zash: ooo, that is nice! Jun 16 20:12:09 thx! Jun 16 20:12:34 :D Jun 16 20:12:39 I doubt my vi exe is a trojan, but no risk is still better than low risk Jun 16 20:12:50 indeed Jun 16 20:14:38 and now i'm going to alias se=sudoedit Jun 16 20:14:50 along with e=$VISUAL Jun 16 20:14:51 :D Jun 16 20:15:40 wurp2: when i ran the command it opened a new file not the same file Jun 16 20:17:56 wurp2, zash: wiki updated with sudoedit ;) Jun 16 20:18:10 it worked Jun 16 20:18:12 thanks Jun 16 20:18:12 :D Jun 16 20:22:33 so. the the kernel with the patched (new kernel modules) rootfs boots. now i put the sd-card in Jun 16 20:27:22 balrog-kun: you're working on the mpeg4 hardware decoding, right? Jun 16 20:27:44 question: does anyone know if it has been tried to put the TS 07.10 Mux patch upstream to Kernel.org? I'm trying to enable GPRS with voice and found a patch but would like to know if it's the plan to include it in the main tree?? Jun 16 20:28:20 cb22: he has. Jun 16 20:28:23 cb22: have been for a moment Jun 16 20:29:58 balrog-kun: cool :) i'm just wondering if infact the glamo does have an audio decoder? the glamo website and other info i've seen on the web seem to conflict about this Jun 16 20:30:35 cb22: afaik it has an mp3 decoder Jun 16 20:30:45 i've not tried to use it Jun 16 20:30:57 mp3 decoder? Jun 16 20:31:12 Do you know if it can in principle be used to decode mp3s and ship the data back to the SoC? Jun 16 20:31:16 now i got the kernel panic Jun 16 20:31:24 -> balrog-kun Jun 16 20:31:39 mtd->read(...) returned ECC error Jun 16 20:31:40 SpeedEvil: i don't know, sorry Jun 16 20:31:45 k Jun 16 20:32:09 and JFFS notice: (232) check_node_data: wronge CRC in data node Jun 16 20:34:29 what mailer software does the openmoko list use? Jun 16 20:34:34 pipermail? Jun 16 20:34:55 jadams: seem so Jun 16 20:35:01 hmm, anyone know if theres a way to determin how much current is being drawn from the battery in the freerunner? Jun 16 20:35:54 zash: I'm thinking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Mailman Jun 16 20:35:59 cb22: multimeter? Jun 16 20:36:06 jadams: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/ Jun 16 20:36:14 zash: in software, like my nokia has nokia energy profiler Jun 16 20:36:29 jadams: the url suggests pipermail iaf Jun 16 20:36:43 zash: I don't know that 'pipermail' exists - googling found nothing Jun 16 20:37:18 zash: yeah, look at the bottom here: http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Jun 16 20:37:21 it's gnu mailman Jun 16 20:37:22 the same effect. kernel panic and a lot crc and ecc errors. now i remove the sd-card and pray that my rootfs still works Jun 16 20:37:42 jadams: mkay Jun 16 20:38:26 would the coulomb counter be of any use in this regard? Jun 16 20:40:04 cb22: Worst case, I would think that you could compute it by looking at how fast the battery is dropping Jun 16 20:40:27 Unfortunately, it would probably need a fair amount of time before you got a vaguely accurate figure by that method Jun 16 20:40:35 how exact is the coulomb counter? Jun 16 20:41:12 <||Leto||> zash: ask sanyo ^^ Jun 16 20:41:16 <||Leto||> grml Jun 16 20:42:10 zash: very exct, i hope Jun 16 20:42:34 could someone who can open pdfs check ouy http://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/hardware/GTA02/CT-GTA02.pdf ? Jun 16 20:42:38 s/ouy/out/ Jun 16 20:42:38 cb22 meant: could someone who can open pdfs check out http://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/hardware/GTA02/CT-GTA02.pdf ? Jun 16 20:42:58 cb22: then perhaps one could guestimate it based on the counter and the load Jun 16 20:43:32 ok. with sd-card i get a kernelpanic... Jun 16 20:44:09 does somebody now a working kernel and rootfs (with sd-card support) for the gta01v3? Jun 16 20:44:20 a coulomb is 1a * 1s, so if you know what time you're measuring, couldn't you determin the current ather easily? Jun 16 20:44:43 that tag refers to my knowledge of science, btw Jun 16 20:44:58 cb22: sounds reasonable Jun 16 20:46:17 noon: I do Jun 16 20:46:25 At least, I think I do. I haven't tried sd card support Jun 16 20:46:52 but booting from SD has been supported for a *long* time Jun 16 20:46:53 wurp2: where do i get the files? Jun 16 20:47:04 wurp2: i don't want to boot from sd Jun 16 20:47:11 i want to put data on it Jun 16 20:47:37 noon: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/?M=D Jun 16 20:47:44 sec, and I'll get you file names Jun 16 20:48:34 uImage-2.6.24+git20080611-r0-om-gta01.bin and Openmoko-scaredycat-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080611-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 Jun 16 20:48:39 That's what I'm running on my neo right now Jun 16 20:49:27 noon: I'm not sure there's been a release of the software in the last 6 months that didn't support read/write to SD Jun 16 20:49:37 at least, not any that would boot at all Jun 16 20:50:10 Although, I think some SD cards had poor support, and still have poor support under some kernels Jun 16 20:50:16 How big is your SD card? Jun 16 20:51:10 I'm surprised no one commented on kdean06's ASU image gallery/discussion... Jun 16 20:51:18 128MB. is that one i got with my garmin gps Jun 16 20:51:47 My server died again. Jun 16 20:51:52 I need to get a bigger one. :S Jun 16 20:51:57 kdean06: ouch Jun 16 20:52:08 kdean06: I can host some stuff if you like Jun 16 20:54:05 hm, so 1mAh == 3.6C Jun 16 20:54:12 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r2614c1e38086 10/packages/connman/connman_git.bb: [connman] Split the scripts and plugins into separate packages Jun 16 20:54:12 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rf13a8767ae1b 10/packages/connman/connman_git.bb: [connman] Package all d-bus services even if they have weird names Jun 16 20:54:12 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re6d1ff11d732 10/packages/connman/ (connman_git.bb files/connman): [connman] Connman is using a lsb helper for init scripts that OE does not offer Jun 16 20:54:49 cb22: whats up with the pdf Jun 16 21:01:39 zash: its the specs for the battery Jun 16 21:01:53 i cant open pdfs (no X) Jun 16 21:02:14 and i cant make sense out of it Jun 16 21:03:17 ah, pdftotext, not 2 Jun 16 21:04:02 bah, errors Jun 16 21:24:49 okey. with sd-card it won't boot. Jun 16 21:25:01 i give it up for today Jun 16 21:25:05 bye Jun 16 21:33:04 Server should be less broken now. :P Jun 16 21:47:52 kdean06 i can mirror stuff if you have problems with the traffic/load Jun 16 21:48:18 roh, Thanks for the offer, but I think I've gotten it fixed this time. :) Jun 16 21:49:08 static html-files ftw! Jun 16 21:51:06 I don't think there's a single static thing on my blog. :P Jun 16 21:51:41 enjoy your wasted identical cpu-cycles Jun 16 21:51:45 then Jun 16 21:52:53 I will! Jun 16 21:52:54 :) Jun 16 21:53:25 Throwing more hardware at problems is my solution to life's problems. :) Jun 16 21:53:34 Eeeer. Jun 16 21:53:39 See, even that was redundant. Jun 16 21:56:51 kdean06: hammers are good hardware to throw. Jun 16 21:56:58 Axes work well too. Jun 16 21:57:09 Oooh. Jun 16 22:00:46 SpeedEvil throws kittens. Jun 16 22:01:42 mwester: Did I understand right, that your patched kernel will resume on call, and everything works afterwarsd? Jun 16 22:01:50 (e.g. sound works after resume) Jun 16 22:02:59 Well, for for some definition of "everything"... I test only the basic phone functions, not audio players. Also, my GTA01 lacks the front face, so it is somewhat "compromised" at the moment in terms of audio playing... :) Jun 16 22:03:37 OK, I'm gonna give it a whirl in the next couple of days. I'll let you know how it works on my mostly whole gta01 Jun 16 22:04:04 Does it actually let you answer the call that wakes it? Jun 16 22:04:29 And the latest ASU rootfs doesn't do SMS at all, it seems... which led me on a wild goose chase because I thought it might be my mods that broke it. But phone calls work, and yes, you can answer it. Jun 16 22:05:37 Well, the gtk ScaredyCat image (20080611) that I've been using doesn't do SMS either. Jun 16 22:05:46 That's great news about the kernel, though! Jun 16 22:05:59 But honestly I have not tested the audio for a couple of weeks since I took the face off the 01 for the debug connector; so the latest images may have issues with that. Jun 16 22:06:18 When I try to bring up the SMS app, it flashes & dies. I haven't tried it from terminal yet, so I can watch the error messages. Jun 16 22:06:26 mwester: OK Jun 16 22:06:50 But SMS seems to work fine from libgsm-tool -m shell, so I dunno what's up with the SMS app. Jun 16 22:07:06 mwester, Speaking of the "latest ASU" images... Raster indicated that the images on the buildhost are out of date. Other than building one manually, which I've never managed to do, and MokoMakefile which fails 100% of the time, how would i try one of them shiny images? Jun 16 22:07:24 MokoMakefile is the only way... Jun 16 22:07:38 It's been remarkably stable for me, actually. Jun 16 22:07:47 I've changed to asu.dev and set to gta02 and I ALWAYS get failures. Jun 16 22:08:11 Should i be using asu.stable? Jun 16 22:08:15 Oh, I use asu.stable -- .dev was a difficult one to work with. Jun 16 22:08:32 Okay. Jun 16 22:09:19 It's been building so well lately that I suddenly feel the need (of course) to upgrade my build host to Fedora 9. That should certainly mess up the works. Jun 16 22:09:44 lol Jun 16 22:11:28 The latest suspend/resume on the gta02 is amazing. Resume is lighting fast. Under one second, with at least half of that being X and Qtopia refreshing. Jun 16 22:11:52 coul Jun 16 22:12:39 If someone can get the X and Qtopia refresh cleaned up a bit, it'll look like a real phone/pda -- at least just keep the screen blanked until the last of the refresh is done, and let it fade up to full brightness... Jun 16 22:12:54 That would be snazzy., Jun 16 22:13:07 AUX to suspend made me quite happy. :) Jun 16 22:13:41 But I'd love to see an ASU build where Qtopia apps actually run. :P Jun 16 22:13:51 The next step, IMO (which would probably make Andy totally insane) would be to add some user-control of what resumes -- so that, for example, we can have the RTC resume the device to take a GPS sample, without even troubling to resume the audio and the display. Jun 16 22:14:15 * cb22 calls up the mental institute Jun 16 22:14:44 mwester: and integrating that into apathy - the new cron replacement Jun 16 22:15:17 Does anyone know how the Qtopia dialer app will work with ophoned? Jun 16 22:15:26 Meanwhile, somebody needs to figure out how to take some of those tuning ideas for resume and apply to the GTA01... but I fear that folks are suffering from cron. (er, apathy I mean). :p Jun 16 22:15:44 I mean, I don't see how they can really work at the same time at all, without some weird low level hacking in the Qtopia dialer Jun 16 22:16:01 mwester: well, someone will just ned to assassinate them on gta01 Jun 16 22:16:02 wurp2: I can't imagine that Qtopia-anything will work with anything not-Qtopia. Meaning Qtopia is a monolithic app. Jun 16 22:16:05 err, install Jun 16 22:16:28 mwester: But I thought the ASU uses the Qtopia dialer... Jun 16 22:16:48 mwester: But it also says it uses the new ophoned architecture Jun 16 22:17:07 It uses Qtopia for the dialer; I see no signs of ophoned. Jun 16 22:17:37 mwester: OK Jun 16 22:17:45 For now or into the future? Jun 16 22:17:47 Anyone with a bitme.org invite? I will send you chocolate by snailmail :) Jun 16 22:17:49 where does ASU say anything about ophoned Jun 16 22:17:50 ??? Jun 16 22:18:00 So I guess that the new dbus architecture (at least for gsm) will wait until we can ditch the Qtopia dialer. Jun 16 22:18:02 I need to speak with whomever is working on ophoned (architecture and code) to see how we get the GSM flowcontrol for suspend/resume handled. Jun 16 22:18:53 XorA|gone: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework Jun 16 22:19:08 Although on that diagram it calls it gsm0710mux... Jun 16 22:19:36 ophoned is also in the Milestone 1 release Tasks Jun 16 22:19:54 mwester: I'm pretty sure that's mickey|zzZZzz Jun 16 22:20:00 wurp2: the only mention of ASU is # Question 2: Is this the mystic ASU? Jun 16 22:20:01 # Answer: No. Jun 16 22:21:21 mwester: just about going to bed, lets talk tomorrow re. preparing ophoned for suspend/resume Jun 16 22:21:35 Ok, no hurry. :) Jun 16 22:21:42 well, first milestone release will be tomorrow Jun 16 22:21:48 right after that we should fix it for the 2nd one Jun 16 22:22:01 (which will happen two weeks later) Jun 16 22:22:16 wanted to release yesterday, but i'm chasing a monster :/ Jun 16 22:22:50 Well, good luck with the monster! Jun 16 22:23:10 mickey|zzZZzz hmm.. we should add milestones for that stuff.. any suggestions? Jun 16 22:23:35 milestones for which stuff? Jun 16 22:23:45 heh, fso-image will be finished before ASU Jun 16 22:23:52 first 5 milestones for the framework are already specified Jun 16 22:23:58 see OpenmokoFramework on the wiki Jun 16 22:24:00 XorA|gone: yep! :) Jun 16 22:24:18 * XorA|gone hates to shout this but, TOLD YOU SO!!!!!! Jun 16 22:24:19 mickey|zzZZzz for your framework work. Jun 16 22:24:47 a wiki is a pretty 'manual' place to put such stuff (as nobody will find it and it will just bitrot) Jun 16 22:25:17 well Jun 16 22:25:28 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#11._enable_sound <= \o/ Jun 16 22:25:31 i don't like our current trac setup Jun 16 22:25:37 i think even bugzilla worked better Jun 16 22:25:38 * XorA|gone goes off to grumble to himself about people not listening to him in the beginning Jun 16 22:26:19 so i'm kind of hesitating to put the framework stuff into trac atm. Jun 16 22:26:27 mickey|zzZZzz bugzilla worked so bad that nobody used it at all.. so i see something called progress. Jun 16 22:26:33 well Jun 16 22:26:35 i used it a lot Jun 16 22:26:37 mickey|zzZZzz whats not working for you? Jun 16 22:26:44 searching Jun 16 22:27:03 ? Jun 16 22:27:30 you can not even add a bugnumber into the search filed and expect just to see this bug and other ones that refer ot it Jun 16 22:28:37 https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/search?q=%231023&noquickjump=1 works quite well Jun 16 22:28:45 just put a # infront if you mean a ticket. Jun 16 22:28:56 eeks Jun 16 22:29:02 a # Jun 16 22:29:08 oh well Jun 16 22:29:10 ok Jun 16 22:29:20 how should it distinguish ticket ids from plain string content otherwise? Jun 16 22:29:39 the point is that it will also get the svn commitlogs in there.. Jun 16 22:29:56 hmm Jun 16 22:30:01 as soon as tracs multirepo support is more stable i will add git in there too. Jun 16 22:30:08 well, fso work will mostly happen in git.freesmartphone.org Jun 16 22:30:17 if we can integrate this as well, lets think about adding milestones there Jun 16 22:30:27 do i have admin access yet? Jun 16 22:30:33 i need to add framework categories and stuff Jun 16 22:30:35 on freesmartphone.org? nope Jun 16 22:30:44 or what was the question? Jun 16 22:30:57 development will happen in git.freesmartphone.org Jun 16 22:30:57 i can add you to the milestone-admins on docs Jun 16 22:31:05 can we link this git tree to our trac Jun 16 22:32:10 [that was the questio] Jun 16 22:32:14 link? Jun 16 22:32:25 link / integrate Jun 16 22:32:26 we can add http links of course.. or what do you mean? Jun 16 22:32:32 or however benefit from using trac Jun 16 22:32:40 for real intregration one needs the repo on the same machine as the trac itself. Jun 16 22:32:51 and currently it can only handle one repo at a time. Jun 16 22:32:53 ah, too bad Jun 16 22:33:22 yeah. but somehow obvious when one digs through the details for some time. Jun 16 22:33:42 sure, no doubt about that. i will need to think more about the relationship of the fso work and Om in general Jun 16 22:33:50 before starting to use the openmoko trac for fso stuff Jun 16 22:34:12 but anyways, bed time now Jun 16 22:34:13 g'night Jun 16 22:34:22 you either need a local repo or a cloned one which is 100% in sync with the master Jun 16 22:34:30 mickey|zzZZzz n8 .. Jun 16 22:34:47 n8 mickey|zzZZzz Jun 16 22:35:14 mmmmhg.. not only one would need multi-repo and multi-project support, but also meta-project Jun 16 22:45:28 jOERG, ping? Jun 16 22:47:17 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r9053e5be847d 10/oeventd/modules/receiver.py: python-oeventd: revamp gstreamer control to work around increasing amount of latency Jun 16 23:12:13 ?can it be that parts of Angstrom server were down yesterday Jun 16 23:12:24 very possible Jun 16 23:40:14 hello guys Jun 16 23:40:44 freerunner is realy in mass production ?! we can buy it on july ?!?!?! Jun 16 23:40:55 is for end users ?! Jun 16 23:41:03 Yes, maybe, no. Jun 16 23:56:08 why not mmontour ?! Jun 16 23:57:00 hi Jun 16 23:57:17 hello Jun 16 23:57:41 epsino: The software will not be end-user-ready (or even close to it) by July. Jun 16 23:58:50 ahhhhh, so, only the hardware will be ready Jun 16 23:59:22 ? Jun 17 00:00:07 Yes. It will ship with a version of the old "2007.2" software image that should have basic functionality (e.g. making a phone call), but users will have to update later when the new software is ready. Jun 17 00:01:18 ahhh, very interesting Jun 17 00:01:41 do you know how to load the image of it with an emulator ?! Jun 17 00:01:52 i follow the web instructions Jun 17 00:02:10 to get the openmoko emultaor running with qemu Jun 17 00:02:38 I don't use qemu but other people have discussed it here. You can check the logs for this channel. Jun 17 00:02:38 but, the image is not the same that all videos and pictures show Jun 17 00:02:47 !logs Jun 17 00:02:49 Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: Jun 17 00:02:50 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko Jun 17 00:02:51 Live-logs are available at Jun 17 00:02:52 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog Jun 17 00:02:54 See ?? help-logs for usage instructions Jun 17 00:03:20 which emulator do you use ? Jun 17 00:03:55 I just use a real GTA01 phone Jun 17 00:04:40 ooo, i can see that you are a happy man ! ;) Jun 17 02:26:05 crap Jun 17 02:26:14 stupid keyboard Jun 17 02:26:29 * summatusmentis claps Jun 17 02:26:31 :) Jun 17 02:26:59 haha Jun 17 02:28:26 anybody have a copy of the old topic? I can't find it in my logs Jun 17 02:32:44 'lo gents Jun 17 02:48:14 hm, I can't seem to find the topic in the official logs either Jun 17 02:48:26 I guess we'll never know what it is Jun 17 02:50:52 topic was this: No, Freerunner is not out yet. Official updates at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates . | ASU means April Software Update and is coming soon Jun 17 02:52:08 thanks ljp Jun 17 02:56:06 * jeffszusz is currently obsessed with this phone now **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 17 02:59:57 2008