**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 17 02:59:57 2008 Jun 17 03:00:34 I am waiting to be able to buy one Jun 17 03:00:38 I dont want to get an iPhone Jun 17 03:00:45 i'd like phone open source :) Jun 17 03:00:49 +my Jun 17 03:01:48 jeffszusz: I get the feeling... I wish I had better gsm coverage Jun 17 03:30:26 hmm Jun 17 03:30:35 why do people not have good GSM coverage? Jun 17 03:30:41 are the GSM networks in the US not very good? Jun 17 03:30:46 or are you in the boonies? Jun 17 03:34:10 jeffszusz they have more boonies there Jun 17 03:34:32 booooooooons Jun 17 03:35:47 * jeffszusz has a vision of mobile supertux Jun 17 03:36:19 and DOOM perhaps Jun 17 03:37:13 roh: great answer! :D Jun 17 03:49:39 jOERG, ping Jun 17 03:50:00 still not there? Jun 17 03:50:12 but i gave him his proper 4h of sleep! Jun 17 03:55:47 hm... i'm not good at reading alsa state files but i fail to see the setting that could result in the left channel being too loud Jun 17 03:56:12 bada-bing! Jun 17 03:56:14 has anybody else knowlegde of this "bug" ? Jun 17 03:56:20 badda-bong!! Jun 17 03:59:46 openmoko: 03zecke * rd4bc95fcdd5f 10/src/applications/qtmail/ (accountlist.cpp qtmail.pro): [sms] Restore SMS functionality while keeping MMS disabled Jun 17 03:59:47 openmoko: 03zecke * r21e4b9f6e3f4 10/src/server/phone/callscreen/themed/callscreen.cpp: [phone] We showed (-1) as CallID to the user. We don't want to do that (#1441) Jun 17 03:59:55 they say that output to speakers and headphones is not possible at the same time Jun 17 04:00:00 so why do i have it Jun 17 04:00:08 i dont want both :P Jun 17 04:00:41 you dont want your phone to be ultra-noisy? Jun 17 04:00:45 why dont Jun 17 04:00:48 isnt thatthe point f a phone Jun 17 04:00:55 to be noisyand annoy everyone around you? Jun 17 04:01:57 hm... i only want it to get right output for my headphones Jun 17 04:02:00 nothing else Jun 17 04:02:02 raster: new keyboard? Jun 17 04:02:11 this is possible with stereoout.state Jun 17 04:02:13 but Jun 17 04:02:24 then it also outputs to the internal speakers Jun 17 04:03:24 summatusmentis: ? Jun 17 04:03:57 just lack of spaces where there should be, and some spaces where there shouldn't :) no worries Jun 17 04:04:07 ? Jun 17 04:04:16 raster> isnt thatthe point f a phone Jun 17 04:04:22 ooh Jun 17 04:04:24 in what i typed Jun 17 04:04:29 I'm just in a weird mood, ignore me Jun 17 04:04:33 i dont much like this kbd Jun 17 04:04:42 but its better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick Jun 17 04:05:17 then i was told that there is a bug that the output of the left speaker channel is too loud (have this one) Jun 17 04:05:17 I'm having issues building an asu.stable image for 02 using MokoMakefile. I've followed the wiki instructions and the failure is always at the same point. I'm sure it's something missing from my build environment but I'm not sure. Can anyone help me resolve this? Tail end of the error -> http://pastebin.ca/1048723 Jun 17 04:07:38 dunno anything of the alsa/audio stuff Jun 17 04:10:01 kdean06: Are you using monotone or git? Jun 17 04:10:31 I would assume Git, I thought MokoMakefile had been updated to use it. Jun 17 04:10:53 Hmmm... ok. Well: Jun 17 04:10:58 XorA> emdete: oh, if you build from OE it wont be changed, you need to change preffered gmp-native to 4.2.2 Jun 17 04:11:28 prefferred-om-2008-versions.inc Jun 17 04:14:15 Hmmm.... the git version still defaults to 4.2.1 -- so XorA|gone needs to take another look at that and bump it. In any case, you have a newer compiler I bet, so you'll have to make that change yourself and see if it helps. Jun 17 04:14:56 Where would I make that change? Jun 17 04:15:14 I don't see an existing variable and didn't see a preferred file. Jun 17 04:16:29 openembedded/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc Jun 17 04:16:46 Sorry, just found it. Jun 17 04:16:47 Thanks! Jun 17 04:17:04 Shoulda grepped the broken version number. :P Jun 17 04:20:34 anyone have the link to install multiple images on the SD? Jun 17 04:21:04 i'm flashing my device for fudcon tonight and really want to bring the gtk, qtopic and asu already installed Jun 17 04:21:18 wow is this possible? Jun 17 04:24:20 josch, so i've been told Jun 17 04:25:26 hmm might be gta02 only Jun 17 04:25:59 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD :-D Jun 17 04:28:09 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080616-om-gta01-testlab/ should really have the defconfig Jun 17 04:28:53 ah.. as of 2008-02-10 everything is good to go Jun 17 04:28:58 i now tried all alsa state file - the only ones working with headphone jack are stereoout.state (not only on headset but also on speakers) and voipheadset.state (left channel too loud) Jun 17 04:30:13 i cannot imagine that nobody is using the neo to play music :P Jun 17 04:30:45 josch, I use it for podcasts every day. Jun 17 04:31:11 do you use the headset? Jun 17 04:31:21 Not direcly. Jun 17 04:31:28 ? Jun 17 04:31:28 I plug the Neo up to my car stereo. Jun 17 04:31:43 the same ;) Jun 17 04:31:44 Are you talking about the still plays loud when headphones are in? Jun 17 04:32:04 i manuall select the state files Jun 17 04:32:28 i need one that correct outputs only on the headset Jun 17 04:32:34 and not the internal speakers Jun 17 04:32:54 stereoout.state correctly outputs to headset but also to speakers Jun 17 04:33:11 voip.state does not output to speakers but wrong to headset Jun 17 04:33:24 kdean06, could you lend me your state files? Jun 17 04:34:13 No, not I can't. Jun 17 04:34:41 :( Jun 17 04:34:44 I'm using whichever ones are on the latest "official" Qtopia image, but my device is at work. :S Jun 17 04:35:12 so i have to search for the asu state files? Jun 17 04:35:22 * daMaestro is flashing with the latest qtopia image Jun 17 04:35:32 I mean Qtopia, not ASU. Jun 17 04:35:32 kdean06, how do you get the device to network via usb? Jun 17 04:35:41 kdean06, oh Jun 17 04:35:51 josch, If you find anything on that bug -> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1377 Jun 17 04:36:11 i had hotplug event scripts to autoconfigure usbN on my host box... something similar? Jun 17 04:36:29 kdean06, well this is improper eventhandling - nothing more i think Jun 17 04:36:31 daMaestro, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking. I plug it in and forward DNS using iptables. Jun 17 04:36:49 daMaestro, i use dnrd all the time Jun 17 04:36:54 try it - it's rly simple Jun 17 04:37:13 ah, so the old settings are still true? Jun 17 04:37:21 192.168.0.201 and .200 Jun 17 04:37:22 Yes Jun 17 04:37:29 cool, simple enough Jun 17 04:37:32 Plugging a 1973 and Freerunner conflict. :S Jun 17 04:37:40 I'm too lazy to change the IP address. :P Jun 17 04:37:43 So I juggle cords. Jun 17 04:37:43 should mean all my scripts still work Jun 17 04:38:32 but does qtopia even relay on alsa state files? Jun 17 04:39:09 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie * r6c75b7cc4754 10/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Added support for dictionary parameters Jun 17 04:39:18 http://fpaste.org/paste/2858 Jun 17 04:39:54 okay - i'm off to work now Jun 17 04:39:56 bye! Jun 17 05:01:00 mwester, I'm getting a build failure again, same place. Though I noticed (after cleaning and rerunning) that preferred version of 4.2.2 is not available. Jun 17 05:01:10 It's trying to build 4.2.1-rc2 Jun 17 05:04:40 omfg, eothwin Jun 17 05:06:29 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080616-om-gta01-testlab/ get's the big o' +1 from me Jun 17 05:06:48 i'm even going to put in a SIM and see if calls work ;- Jun 17 05:06:50 ;-) Jun 17 05:06:58 the gui is looking nice (and there are icons!) Jun 17 05:06:58 lol Jun 17 05:12:18 kdean06: what version of gcc do you have on the build host? Jun 17 05:12:38 4.3.1 Jun 17 05:12:55 Can you revert to an older one? Jun 17 05:13:03 Yeah Jun 17 05:13:11 Got a preferred version? Jun 17 05:13:16 You're beyond the bleeding edge, I'm afraid. Jun 17 05:13:52 We'll need to ask XorA|gone very very nicely if he can merge the OE gmp 4.2.2 stuff into the OM git repo. Jun 17 05:13:53 yeah.. even fedora 9 only has 4.3.0 ;-) Jun 17 05:14:18 Yay for Debian being slow! Jun 17 05:14:22 I'm using 4.1.2 without any problems. Jun 17 05:14:27 Okay, thanks. Jun 17 05:14:54 (Fedora 7 -- I skip every other Fedora release so I can enjoy a short period of stability now and again! Jun 17 05:14:55 ) Jun 17 05:16:12 mwester, yeah.. and wait just a little while longer for some kernel fixes on f9 Jun 17 05:16:27 mwester, overall it's really, really nice; but there are a few things that get me now and again Jun 17 05:16:36 I have an old laptop running it right now; seems ok. What's broken? Jun 17 05:16:58 well.. i blame compiz for all of my rendering issues Jun 17 05:17:31 but i get very odd lockups with the last kernel (i'm now booting the N-1 kernel) Jun 17 05:18:06 and not full lockups.. but like evolution stops responding for a moment (like that is new) Jun 17 05:18:34 ff3 hangs every once in a while (and i fixed that by disabling google "safe browsing" backdoor for id0ts) Jun 17 05:19:03 Firefox has become just like IE at this point :( Jun 17 05:19:18 other then that.. my xps m1210 works out of box Jun 17 05:19:47 eclipse runs well.. zope runs well... etc Jun 17 05:19:54 (can you tell i mainly code in python) ;-) Jun 17 05:20:42 * daMaestro cheers for the qtopia switch (as a consumer.. i'm not looked into what it changes as a developer), python and new hardware ;-) Jun 17 05:20:54 oh yeah.. and switching to git Jun 17 05:21:04 that pretty much was the candle on the cake so to speak Jun 17 05:21:56 so, is there anything super magical i have to do to get okpg to work? Jun 17 05:23:44 mwester, btw... it's official.. f7 is EOL Jun 17 05:26:19 * daMaestro wonders if mickey|zzZZzz went and talked with the Fedora leadership about making fedora a really nice devel env for the OM platform Jun 17 05:26:25 * daMaestro already has almost everything needed packaged Jun 17 05:34:38 http://fpaste.org/paste/2861 <-- opkg issues ? Jun 17 05:35:40 nice, python 2.5.2 Jun 17 05:35:48 sexy. Jun 17 05:35:55 I've always gotten those, I've ignored them and used it just fine. Jun 17 05:36:03 I figure they're obsolete feeds. Jun 17 05:36:33 gst-plugins-ugly ... how does FIC get away with shipping that? Jun 17 05:37:21 kdean06, what's the vim package name? Jun 17 05:37:53 opkg install joe --- then type "jmacs " :p Jun 17 05:38:50 I dunno. :P Vim? Jun 17 05:41:13 darn, opkg list \*vi\* doesn't seem to show that vi-enhanced is built, as of right now Jun 17 05:52:43 * gcb77 reflashing neo1973 4th time trying to find an image that works with tangogps (Apr 30 works, but gpsd, possibly libdbus-1-3 seems to cause the failure of the desktop not coming up) Jun 17 06:13:41 i am trying to build openmoko-devel-image (fresh build); and it gets stuck with "fatal: Needed a single revision, invalid upstream origin/bitbake-om, make: *** [update-bitbake] Error 1" Jun 17 07:29:49 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r535fd5243d11 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] helpbrowser couldn't find index.html (#1465) Jun 17 08:04:37 good morning Jun 17 08:04:47 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc4025ba8d16a 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade splinter to r427 as of Jeremy's request Jun 17 08:04:47 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * re4d06eed3b30 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [gdbus] Add libgdbus of moblin for connman Jun 17 08:04:48 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r2e18ffeda95d 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [connman] Add connman as we want to use it for ASU/exposure Jun 17 08:04:49 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5cb65fc2e3f1 10/packages/connman/connman_git.bb: [connman] Split the scripts and plugins into separate packages Jun 17 08:04:52 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r095e5fcd5e07 10/packages/connman/connman_git.bb: [connman] Package all d-bus services even if they have weird names Jun 17 08:04:55 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r1afef2d3d1be 10/packages/connman/ (connman_git.bb files/connman): [connman] Connman is using a lsb helper for init scripts that OE does not offer Jun 17 08:04:58 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r6f97c67e75e0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get various bugfxies Jun 17 08:05:03 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r2d2cf15ffc32 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get various bugfxies Jun 17 08:09:04 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie * rf85947dab7bc 10/ (README preferencesd/preferenced): Added a function to generate the DBUS API from the sources Jun 17 09:43:12 morning Jun 17 10:47:22 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r658cef757c20 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): update to wpa_supplicant 0.6.3 (also add 0.6.0 in) and build packages for Jun 17 11:18:18 I built today git.openmoko.asu.dev for gta01 and it gives me a 66MB image, which is of course too big. Jun 17 11:20:38 yeah to be expected Jun 17 11:21:33 I don't had time to test it, will try on sd this evening. Jun 17 11:21:57 org.openmoko.dev builds an image that fits Jun 17 11:21:58 XorA: Will gta01 be supported in the future ? Jun 17 11:22:04 but is slightly behind in features Jun 17 11:22:21 starox: probably never officially on that branch Jun 17 11:22:27 If it is wifi, it doesn't matter :p Jun 17 11:22:51 starox: I had to tune the org.openmoko.dev image to fit GTA01 Jun 17 11:22:58 starox: so the guys here could see ASU Jun 17 11:24:18 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7c94795092cd 10/packages/e17/ (e-wm_cvs.bb exquisite_cvs.bb): reduce package sizes by removing redundant data. save a few mb. Jun 17 11:25:24 starox: have a look in the teslab dir... you should be able to see what's taking up space... Jun 17 11:25:25 XorA: Okay, thanks. I tested ASU last week and wanted to try a bleeding edge rootfs. Jun 17 11:25:35 ah Jun 17 11:25:36 What do you remove to get below 53MB Jun 17 11:25:55 gtk+ mostly] Jun 17 11:26:12 also some fixes like the one raster just did to ASU Jun 17 11:26:13 python ass Jun 17 11:26:28 ScaredyCat: What is testlab, I notice this new directory, but don't get in Jun 17 11:26:36 is it a rootfs ? Jun 17 11:26:56 it should show what's in the images Jun 17 11:27:13 its how I worked out how to trim the images Jun 17 11:27:39 Therically, we could boot from SD ? isn't it ? Jun 17 11:27:41 eg Jun 17 11:27:42 ls Openmoko-openmoko-python-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080611-om-gta01-testlab Jun 17 11:27:42 depends.dot depends-nokernel-nolibc-noupdate-nomodules.dot Jun 17 11:27:42 depends-nokernel.dot files-in-image.txt Jun 17 11:27:42 depends-nokernel-nolibc.dot installed-package-sizes.txt Jun 17 11:27:42 depends-nokernel-nolibc-noupdate.dot installed-packages.txt Jun 17 11:27:50 * XorA does the curryman dance Jun 17 11:28:11 starox: yes... Jun 17 11:28:24 use the tar.gz images for that Jun 17 11:28:35 * ScaredyCat goes back to his acer macbook Jun 17 11:44:24 ScaredyCat are you testing some mac builds? Jun 17 11:44:40 i'll try but, i have to put some patches from the poky guys to get it working Jun 17 11:45:21 I'm just building my acer macbook. .. then I'll look at building on mac Jun 17 11:45:55 ok, i'd like to help Jun 17 11:45:58 :) Jun 17 11:47:27 has anyone seen something like http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/93d5f0ee70d68405f5a14dcea20905bc.png before? Jun 17 11:48:43 looks like a font issue? Jun 17 11:48:59 WOW! Jun 17 11:49:22 yeah... but I have no idea what could be causing it as it only seems to affect Qt applications... Jun 17 11:50:25 its the new funky theme Jun 17 11:51:36 hahahahahhaa Jun 17 11:51:48 looks like a font fuckup Jun 17 12:19:19 freesmartphone.org: 03heikki.paajanen * rb3d44e235f46 10/serial/.gitignore: Ignore generated file in serial/ Jun 17 12:19:20 freesmartphone.org: 03heikki.paajanen * ra349b962d944 10/test/ (3 files): Jun 17 12:19:20 freesmartphone.org: Implemented libfso network tests Jun 17 12:19:20 freesmartphone.org: Fixed libfso call tests Jun 17 12:19:22 freesmartphone.org: 03heikki.paajanen * rc5a8241d565d 10/ (50 files in 5 dirs): Jun 17 12:19:23 freesmartphone.org: Updated SIM interface Jun 17 12:19:25 freesmartphone.org: Removed Phonebook stuff Jun 17 12:19:27 freesmartphone.org: Increased libfreesmartphone coverage Jun 17 12:19:29 freesmartphone.org: check_tests.py passes now also with libfreesmartphone Jun 17 12:19:31 freesmartphone.org: 03heikki.paajanen * r2bbdfebc3065 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Removed more phonebook stuff Jun 17 12:59:02 I am a newbie to openmoko, Any body tell me how to do bug fixing? Jun 17 12:59:39 np: Michael Jackson - Just do it. Jun 17 12:59:47 What bug? Jun 17 12:59:55 And do you have the skills to generate a patch? Jun 17 13:07:07 if "any body" is understandable then "any corpse" must be as well? :) Jun 17 13:07:40 freesmartphone.org: 03heikki.paajanen * r6553e40d3dcf 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Jun 17 13:07:40 freesmartphone.org: Added generic vendor Jun 17 13:07:40 freesmartphone.org: Added missing sms_index command line option Jun 17 13:09:34 the difference being that body could be alive, yet corpse somehow implies being dead... Jun 17 13:29:24 * XorA gets OM booting using mdev to populate /dev and saving 10s on boot time Jun 17 13:29:38 XorA: sweet :) Jun 17 13:30:51 :) Jun 17 13:31:07 What's the SD read speed on GTA02? Jun 17 13:31:42 Actual proper suspend-flash would be nice. Jun 17 13:31:43 didn't that depend on how much you are trying to send to the videoram/screen at the same time? :) Jun 17 13:31:47 Sure. Jun 17 13:31:56 I as meaning suspend to 'disk'. Jun 17 13:37:10 SpeedEvil:I want to work on openmoko bugs, So how can I take one bug from trac and make patch for that? Jun 17 13:47:42 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r4991bf64b3a2 10/src/zhone: zhone: repair call status display Jun 17 13:47:42 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r1b804c064522 10/data/images/ (button_contacts.png button_power.png button_sms.png): zhone: remove buttons, add 'NYI' text Jun 17 14:41:07 SpeedEvil: 7MB/sec, no? Jun 17 14:41:36 (SD read speed on gta02 - it's the same (shared) number causing all the grief re: video) Jun 17 14:55:43 wurp2, if it's that causing the video pb can't you upload the video to RAM first and then watch it? Jun 17 14:56:49 spydon: I'm not sure of the bus arrangement - is the constrained bus also the one between the glamo & the ram? Jun 17 14:57:12 spydon: But at any rate, you can put the video on the flash drive and watch from there, which helps Jun 17 14:57:22 but the bus width is still only 7 MB/sec Jun 17 14:57:35 ah now I understand Jun 17 14:57:41 too bad Jun 17 14:58:08 Which is barely enough for ~25 fps 320x240, if my brain did the math right Jun 17 14:58:32 but that assumes that you don't send anything else through Jun 17 14:59:06 Anyway, balrog-kun already has mpeg4 playing back in 320x240 at ~20 fps iirc, using glamo mpeg4 acceleration Jun 17 14:59:21 and that shouldn't use much of the bus Jun 17 15:10:43 how are asu images going? Jun 17 15:48:56 so finally, the freerunner will run qtopia, gtk or both? Jun 17 15:49:07 both Jun 17 15:49:19 oki Jun 17 15:49:26 QT, GTK, EFL Jun 17 15:49:39 in the same time? (I don't know if it's possible) Jun 17 15:49:47 why not ? Jun 17 15:50:08 I think the default will be QT and EFL apps Jun 17 15:50:16 but yet you can run anything else .. like GTK Jun 17 15:50:18 hum, after reflexion, my question was stupid ;) Jun 17 15:50:41 but, wx? Jun 17 15:51:05 I think it can run anything ! Jun 17 15:51:17 what's the barrier .. I wonder Jun 17 15:51:25 pyknite: of course its possible Jun 17 15:51:48 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r154905c27008 10/ (TODO odeviced/modules/idlenotifier.py): python-odeviced: increase default timeouts for idlenotifier Jun 17 15:51:48 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r8626e81d45ea 10/odeviced/modules/idlenotifier.py: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:python-odeviced Jun 17 15:52:04 raster: ASU uses kdrive ? Jun 17 15:52:21 CVirus: yes Jun 17 15:52:33 * pyknite think about something usefull to code for my futur freerunner ;) Jun 17 15:52:36 as have all om os productions Jun 17 15:52:41 raster: what other choices have we got ? Jun 17 15:52:54 given what restrictions? Jun 17 15:53:09 memory maybe Jun 17 15:53:22 ok Jun 17 15:53:25 so none Jun 17 15:53:27 anything Jun 17 15:53:29 hmm Jun 17 15:53:32 we could run full xorg Jun 17 15:53:41 hehe Jun 17 15:53:43 kdrive is just a small xserver - built from the same xorg code Jun 17 15:53:48 just driver is compiled-in Jun 17 15:53:53 as are many other things Jun 17 15:53:54 I know Jun 17 15:53:59 could use drirectfb Jun 17 15:54:05 and even put xdirectfb on top Jun 17 15:54:09 could just write to framebuffer Jun 17 15:54:12 ywindows Jun 17 15:54:17 freesmartphone.org: 03mlauer * rce4167ba4b61 10/otapi/xhtml/ (9 files): Open Telephony API: check in xhtml files, so we can link from the wiki Jun 17 15:54:21 picogui... Jun 17 15:54:30 i mean with no restrictions.. anything goes Jun 17 15:54:46 sure thing Jun 17 15:55:05 when i started with linux my p120 has 32m ram Jun 17 15:55:08 and i ran x Jun 17 15:55:10 all day - every day Jun 17 15:55:16 my friends had liux and x Jun 17 15:55:18 on 486'sd Jun 17 15:55:22 with 8mb ram Jun 17 15:55:27 xfree86 Jun 17 15:55:48 so as such - i dontsee that there are any restrictions on a device with 128m ram Jun 17 15:55:49 :) Jun 17 15:56:03 in terms of what CAN run Jun 17 15:56:08 its "what do you want to do" Jun 17 15:56:22 "what quality (speed/fidelity/effects) do you expect?" Jun 17 15:56:50 why not run xfree86 on the freerunner ? Jun 17 15:56:55 instead of kdrive Jun 17 15:57:02 if this will improve memory consumption Jun 17 15:57:09 why SHOULD we use xfree86? Jun 17 15:57:13 it wont Jun 17 15:57:27 kdrive uses almost nothing Jun 17 15:57:28 why do people hate xfree86 ? Jun 17 15:57:30 I've use xfree86 on a 12M machine. Jun 17 15:57:31 do the stats Jun 17 15:57:33 and i mean real stats Jun 17 15:57:42 kdrive consumes about 1-2mb ram Jun 17 15:57:48 (alloced) Jun 17 15:57:51 wow Jun 17 15:57:58 and the rest is dnamically paged libs and exec Jun 17 15:58:16 so maybe a footprint of 1mb u want for decent perf on top of that Jun 17 15:58:22 so really id' say 2-2.5mb Jun 17 15:58:26 its not much Jun 17 15:58:30 XIP++ Jun 17 15:59:02 SpeedEvil: positives and negatives Jun 17 15:59:12 puts a lot of nasty restrictions on your filesystem Jun 17 15:59:28 And your memory subsystem. Jun 17 15:59:30 also means unless your flahs is REALLY fast u'l have severe perfroamnce penalties Jun 17 15:59:35 and our flash is abysmally slow Jun 17 15:59:40 even compared to our ram Jun 17 15:59:43 Yeah - nand it's silly. Jun 17 15:59:59 its a cutre idea though Jun 17 16:01:32 dynamic paging is enough Jun 17 16:01:38 and its more generic Jun 17 16:01:58 * SpeedEvil still wants per-user swap. But meh. Jun 17 16:02:32 on a freerunner? Jun 17 16:02:37 or just in general? Jun 17 16:02:43 Well - probably not FR. Jun 17 16:02:48 k Jun 17 16:02:49 :) Jun 17 16:02:55 swap 0on the fr would be death Jun 17 16:03:07 to sd or flash Jun 17 16:03:10 true Jun 17 16:03:16 i'd rather segv's and oom killer kick in Jun 17 16:03:25 oom-killer...ugh Jun 17 16:03:27 I'd like to be able to - for example - plug in a fast USB device to swap to, and if it goes away, only the processes run by one user die, not roots too. Jun 17 16:03:59 which reminds me that I'm swapping like fuck Jun 17 16:04:00 in honesty - we shoulkd have a userspace "oom" that polls often and when u are really low really intelligently asks what u'd like to quit Jun 17 16:04:12 Yeah. Jun 17 16:04:17 (and actually running applications it knows are extraneous like tetris...;) Jun 17 16:04:27 Or acts other than on knowledge of ps. Jun 17 16:04:37 yes Jun 17 16:04:39 bingo Jun 17 16:04:49 ps ? Jun 17 16:04:52 For example, something that can say 'vi - 34M RSS'? Jun 17 16:04:56 so it knows some processes are core system and u cant kill Jun 17 16:05:02 (window manager, x, etc.) Jun 17 16:05:05 And reasonable footprints of stuff. Jun 17 16:05:10 butg others ae luxury fluff Jun 17 16:05:23 raster: there is an easy metric. Jun 17 16:05:23 so popup a box and go "whwat fluff dont you want?" Jun 17 16:05:30 raster: processes owned by root :) Jun 17 16:05:46 thats everything Jun 17 16:05:53 I know - ATM. Jun 17 16:05:59 and i'm not going there.... Jun 17 16:06:21 the app can just have a known exception list Jun 17 16:06:30 raster: SpeedEvil: you guys will come handy when I start brainstorming for ideas for my bachelor project :-D Jun 17 16:07:02 raster: yeah - something like that. Though it also needs to know that neod > 20m = prompt user to restart system as it's become unstable. Jun 17 16:07:08 processes where /proc/PID/exe point to specific known "this process u just can't kill" are never offered Jun 17 16:07:30 u need to filter down to processes that map directly to an "app"(ie a window or something a user recognises as an app - not some backend daemon) Jun 17 16:07:46 SpeedEvil: yes. that is true Jun 17 16:07:49 And ideally be able to restart most daemons. Jun 17 16:07:53 it should also know about runaway system procs Jun 17 16:08:02 but not offer to kill them like "apps" Jun 17 16:08:06 we need an alternate soln Jun 17 16:08:15 maybe any daemon we have should be able to restart itself Jun 17 16:08:18 sa state to disk Jun 17 16:08:20 re-exec Jun 17 16:08:27 pcik up mostly where it left off Jun 17 16:08:31 That's the nice idea. Jun 17 16:08:35 x is the hardest to do that with tho Jun 17 16:08:41 it wont be perfect Jun 17 16:08:44 cant save 10% state Jun 17 16:08:47 but if we get most of it Jun 17 16:08:51 we have minor hiccups Jun 17 16:09:00 when we have a mem leak or problem Jun 17 16:09:05 but no massive system failure Jun 17 16:09:35 all nice stuff we could definitely work on Jun 17 16:11:28 cpu boundness and user-responsiveness too. But those can be a little more tricky. Jun 17 16:12:57 raster: Oh - on a tangent. Do you happen to know if the 2440/2442 can do DMA to/from GPIO ports. Jun 17 16:13:33 hmm Jun 17 16:13:35 good q Jun 17 16:13:37 not sure there Jun 17 16:14:14 I mean forex DMA from an 8 bit port with a clock line somewhere. Jun 17 16:14:14 K Jun 17 16:15:02 can't say Jun 17 16:15:04 not surre Jun 17 16:15:15 i know it can do dma from devices to ramand back Jun 17 16:15:15 K - just wondering if you'd noticed it on the datasheet. Jun 17 16:15:15 are there any gpios available (and reachable) on the pcb of the freerunner? Jun 17 16:15:23 but unsure on the limitsof what devices they can be Jun 17 16:15:25 tedo: not really many Jun 17 16:15:29 and i know it does ram->ram dam Jun 17 16:15:32 which is useless Jun 17 16:15:42 SpeedEvil: more than 8? Jun 17 16:15:50 tedo: no Jun 17 16:16:11 SpeedEvil: :( thx Jun 17 16:16:27 tedo: there is I2C and SPI if you want to extend it. Jun 17 16:16:39 tedo: but that's - compartively - low speed. Jun 17 16:17:17 Or USB, with the same caveat. Jun 17 16:17:25 snooz! Jun 17 16:17:37 SpeedEvil: ok Jun 17 16:25:38 hi, the announce mist archive only goes until set 2007 ? Jun 17 16:25:48 *list Jun 17 16:32:41 <`pwgen`> mickeyl: ping .. Jun 17 16:34:05 pöng Jun 17 16:34:44 Does anyone know the relationship between ASU and the new framework? Jun 17 16:34:44 mickeyl: I may kidnap the openmoko guy that's here this week. Think I'll be able to get any ransom? Jun 17 16:35:33 ransom? Jun 17 16:35:49 yeah, didn't think so Jun 17 16:36:03 wurp2: there is no relationship. The Framework will be used in future Om products Jun 17 16:37:10 i need to go to do some sports. will be back later tonite (after the EU game) Jun 17 16:37:56 mickey|sports: thx Jun 17 16:38:16 <`pwgen`> mickeyl: http://pastebin.com/maee8fa7 somet thoughts about moko Jun 17 16:44:01 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r381fab0a47cb 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade exposure to r34 to get profile, suspend, brightness changes Jun 17 16:55:22 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r674ff4e406ff 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add my sums for dbus-python Jun 17 16:55:22 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r4fa8d2a99ed4 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add my sums for for wpa_supplicant Jun 17 17:07:23 Does anyone know how to bring down & back up the gsm in such a way that you can make phone calls afterwards? Jun 17 17:07:55 I've played with AT@POFF, restarting gsmd, powering off & on gsm sys device, etc. Jun 17 17:08:19 So far nothing I've done would lead to a gsm that would make calls, after e.g. I use gprs Jun 17 17:09:48 so what errors do you get in gsmd logs when you try to make phonecalls? Jun 17 17:15:14 balrog-kun: I haven't looked :-/ ... I never get the 'click' from the phone switching the audio to the gsm Jun 17 17:15:38 balrog-kun: I believe, but need more testing to confirm, that I can make calls from libgsmd-tool after restart Jun 17 17:15:46 I just get no sound Jun 17 17:16:19 It's possible that a simple alsoctl -f /*/*/gsmhandset.state restore is all I need Jun 17 17:16:33 but it should do that automatically when I dial... Jun 17 17:17:01 So far my playing with this has been casual, when I could find a few minutes to fiddle with it Jun 17 17:24:29 wurp2: i see Jun 17 17:35:31 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re01cd8c4b44e 10/packages/e17/ (e-wm_cvs.bb exquisite_cvs.bb): [e17] bump version after rasters packaging changes Jun 17 17:45:04 balrog-kun: So what you mean is, "Why are you asking for help when you haven't even done any real testing, you bum." Jun 17 17:45:07 :-) Jun 17 17:46:21 wurp2: nah, i agree that the dialer should know how to set up the audio states :p Jun 17 17:46:29 wurp2: that too though :p Jun 17 17:46:36 wurp2: have you tried restarting dialer btw? Jun 17 17:48:58 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rdc07f26752ed 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): update to wpa_supplicant 0.6.3 (also add 0.6.0 in) and build packages for Jun 17 17:48:58 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r0a8f836bc5d1 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: [srcdate] Stay with the 12th of June for EFL Jun 17 17:48:58 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r412359e13ec7 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add my sums for dbus-python Jun 17 17:49:01 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8655202edd5d 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add my sums for for wpa_supplicant Jun 17 17:49:04 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r261ecb3be35b 10/packages/e17/ (e-wm_cvs.bb exquisite_cvs.bb): reduce package sizes by removing redundant data. save a few mb. Jun 17 17:49:07 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r124c7db6c62a 10/packages/e17/ (e-wm_cvs.bb exquisite_cvs.bb): [e17] bump version after rasters packaging changes Jun 17 17:50:03 balrog-kun: Yes, in that I've closed the dialer app & started up again Jun 17 17:50:15 balrog-kun: No, if there is a daemon that I need to restart Jun 17 17:50:54 wurp2: yeah, there's a daemon i believe Jun 17 17:51:44 in the non asu images i had to killall openmoko-dialer two times i think and then start openmoko-dialer once to start the daemon and once to get it on the screen Jun 17 17:51:49 i don't know how it works now Jun 17 18:16:07 hello Jun 17 18:18:30 wurp2: the rootfs and the kernel you gave me work on the phone. the exciting part is, when i put the sd-card into the device Jun 17 18:21:40 Anyone have any info on how to force MokoMakefile to use an earlier gcc version? Setting CC manually doesn't work because CC is unset as part of the build. Jun 17 18:23:10 kdean06: explain better Jun 17 18:24:34 XorA|gone, gmp-native won't build using gcc 4.3.1 (which is the default in Sid) but builds just fine using 4.1. When I export CC to prefer 4.1, something (not sure if it's MokoMakefile or bitbake or what) unsets CC along wiht other variables. Jun 17 18:24:45 kdean06: ASU? Jun 17 18:24:49 asu.stable Jun 17 18:24:55 For Freerunner Jun 17 18:25:28 kdean06: edit conf/distro/include/prefferred-om-2008-versions.inc and change gmp-native to 4.2.2 Jun 17 18:26:15 Did that, 4.2.2 isn't available, only 4.2.1-rc2 Jun 17 18:26:16 ;) Jun 17 18:26:20 kdean06: http://rafb.net/p/sPQLKX98.html Jun 17 18:26:24 mwester, Pasted your suggestion. :) Jun 17 18:26:31 Errr, no comma. :) Jun 17 18:27:01 bah, my bad, I though asu.stable had forked after 4.2.2 was added Jun 17 18:27:35 bitbake cleans the env before proceeding Jun 17 18:27:47 wurp2: in uboot i can access the sd-card (mmcinit) and list the files on it (ext2ls mmc 0) Jun 17 18:28:15 openmoko: 03zecke 07softmenu-rework * r45b56f9614a1 10/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): WIP Jun 17 18:28:24 kdean06: I forgot to bump PR, so 'bitbake -c clean gmp-native' is required before it can build successfully Jun 17 18:29:25 wurp2: but when the kernel boots i get a kernel panic Jun 17 18:30:42 I've got an Etch buildhost setup, so it's building fine without patches or changes, but it's decidedly inconvenient. :P Jun 17 18:35:20 noon: So, with the images I gave you, and no sd card plugged in, it boots & works Jun 17 18:35:27 does anyone succeed to run asu.stable or .dev qtopia image in qemu ? Jun 17 18:35:30 noon: But if you plug in the sd card and boot, it blows up? Jun 17 18:35:47 yes Jun 17 18:36:08 noon: That is a serious bug with the handling of your sd card Jun 17 18:36:09 but i can list the directory in uboot Jun 17 18:36:14 noon: You should file a bug report Jun 17 18:36:23 noon: And buy another cheap SD card to tide you over :-( Jun 17 18:36:35 noon: How big is the card? Jun 17 18:36:50 wurp2: 128MB from sandisk Jun 17 18:36:59 noon: agh!! Jun 17 18:37:17 noon: You can get a 2GB one for < $30 Jun 17 18:37:20 128MB are deprecated. Jun 17 18:37:21 wurp2: i have another sd-card, a noname with 128MB Jun 17 18:37:22 more like $15, I think Jun 17 18:37:23 :) Jun 17 18:37:34 wurp2: and a 2G in my gps Jun 17 18:37:46 noon: I would try booting with the 2G Jun 17 18:37:55 noon: And I would throw away the 128 MB one :-) Jun 17 18:38:07 noon: After filing a bug report w/ the card info in it Jun 17 18:38:25 wurp2: why does it matter how big the card is? Jun 17 18:38:33 noon: Actually, you might keep it around to ship to whoever takes on the bug, if anyone is interested in a gta01 bug with handling a card nobody wants :-) Jun 17 18:38:55 noon: Well, the way the card is read apparently changes slightly over time Jun 17 18:39:13 noon: I know there are (or have been) bugs with handling some 8GB cards Jun 17 18:39:30 noon: I've never heard of someone having trouble with a .5 GB - 2 GB card Jun 17 18:39:31 wurp2: i have the fon only borrowd from a friend during his vacation Jun 17 18:39:41 noon: Ah, bummer Jun 17 18:40:09 noon: I'll bet it works fine with the 2GB card Jun 17 18:43:00 Are there instructions for multi-boot from SD? Jun 17 18:43:09 * cb22 wants his 8gb microsd Jun 17 18:43:12 has anyone tried to overclock the gta02? Jun 17 18:43:15 i changed the sd and now it's booting Jun 17 18:43:55 tushyd: yes the hardware guys did Jun 17 18:44:03 and i get the kernelpanic _with_ the 2G sd-card Jun 17 18:44:05 tushyd: overclocking it makes performance worse Jun 17 18:45:08 noon: whoa Jun 17 18:45:08 aw, no fun Jun 17 18:45:20 noon: Mine boots with a 2G SD card in it, no problem Jun 17 18:45:24 wurp2: i can make you a photo Jun 17 18:45:31 tushyd: the ram wont boot overclocked, and the next divider down runs the ram I think 20% slower than normal Jun 17 18:45:43 noon: I have an ext2 and a fat16 partition on it Jun 17 18:46:25 noon: I'm not sure it will help for you to make me a photo. I don't really know much about how gta01 uses the SD card... Jun 17 18:46:30 the 2G has fat on it. the 128MB has ext2 Jun 17 18:46:53 the funny thin is, i can access the sdcard in uboot Jun 17 18:47:07 I am almost certain uboot uses different code to access SD than the boot kernel does Jun 17 18:47:14 so, i thought it is something with the kernel or the kernel commandline Jun 17 18:48:00 but I wouldn't expect either of them to fail on a 2GB card unless there was a hw problem, or it was a poorly supported card Jun 17 18:48:02 XorA|gone: that's interesting, although I was hoping I could do some OCing :) Jun 17 18:48:16 noon: The kernel command line is a good thought... Jun 17 18:48:31 tushyd: well its possible if you live somewhere cold and maybe MP phones are soldered better you might get some luck Jun 17 18:48:34 noon: Can you connect via uboot and get your BOOTARGS Jun 17 18:48:35 ? Jun 17 18:49:01 yes. Jun 17 18:49:07 Maybe you're configured to prefer booting from SD, so if it gets an SD with no boot, it fails, but defaults to flash if no SD found Jun 17 18:49:09 should i past them here or in a query? Jun 17 18:49:20 It should just be one line, so you could put it here Jun 17 18:49:25 haha, if they ship out in July, I'm in Iowa. Humid, floods, warm weather. No luck for me Jun 17 18:49:34 If you want to send all env vars, you should use pastebin Jun 17 18:49:36 wurp2: bootargs_base=rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock4 console=ttySAC0,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=8 Jun 17 18:50:15 Anyone know what is /dev/mtdblock4? Jun 17 18:50:32 wurp2: http://pastebin.com/m52e0f7dc Jun 17 18:50:50 /dev/mtdblock4 is the NAND rootfs partition Jun 17 18:51:32 noon: Actually, that bootargs is significantly different from mine Jun 17 18:51:40 noon: I can't access mine right now :-( Jun 17 18:51:49 noon: But I remember it had a couple of nand clauses in it Jun 17 18:51:56 I suspect that's your issue Jun 17 18:52:21 nm, that's in bootcmd Jun 17 18:53:51 mmontour: thx Jun 17 18:54:17 noon: try adding a "rootdelay=5" parameter to that list. It probably won't help, but you might get lucky (it is needed when booting from SD). Jun 17 18:55:16 wurp2: I haven't tried multi-booting from SD, but it should just be a matter of partitioning it and then adding menu entries that refer to each partition (mmcblk0p1 for the first, mmcblk0p2 for the second, etc). Jun 17 18:55:26 mmontour: will try Jun 17 18:55:37 noon: I don't think I'm going to be able to help you :-( mmontour is a much better resource :-) Jun 17 18:55:44 mmontour: Thanks, I'll give that a shot Jun 17 18:57:21 You'll also need to pass the partition ID to 'ext2load'. I don't remember the syntax but it should be documented somewhere. Jun 17 18:58:19 brb - lunchtime Jun 17 18:58:25 mmontour: i don't want to boot from the sd-card Jun 17 18:58:55 mmontour: i only want to access files on the sd-card Jun 17 18:59:55 c'mon, everyone wants to boot from SD Jun 17 19:00:02 o.O Jun 17 19:00:09 noon: I'm pretty sure he knew that Jun 17 19:00:20 noon: He's just suggesting that the delay might help with your issue Jun 17 19:01:34 okey. i didn't get it. how do i pass the rootdelay to the kernel? Jun 17 19:01:35 balrog-kun: We all want to boot from our SD so we can keep movies on the flash, to play with your new mplayer Jun 17 19:02:03 noon: change the bootargs to have that parameter at the end, I think Jun 17 19:02:30 wait, to your bootargs_base Jun 17 19:03:03 :) Jun 17 19:03:26 something like "setenv bootargs_base=rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock4 console=ttySAC0,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=8 rootdelay=5 Jun 17 19:03:42 WARNING: UNMATCHED QUOTE ON LINE 1 Jun 17 19:06:14 uhm Jun 17 19:06:28 is there a tool in development that measures my online traffic? Jun 17 19:06:43 ifconfig Jun 17 19:06:49 cause i'm gonna have a volume tariff with 200 megs/month Jun 17 19:07:05 GPRS isn't properly setup yet. Jun 17 19:07:16 SpeedEvil: it's not that simple. it would have to shut down when a certain traffic margin is reached Jun 17 19:07:20 uhm Jun 17 19:07:22 when will it be? Jun 17 19:07:23 Yeah - I know. Jun 17 19:07:30 I don't know. Jun 17 19:07:50 and it would have to count 10k-blocks if the connection breaks off Jun 17 19:07:57 since that is what my provider counts :-/ Jun 17 19:08:20 It can be done manually - but it's not actually accessible thought the UI Jun 17 19:08:29 mhmm Jun 17 19:08:36 So nobodies worked on the GUI. Jun 17 19:08:43 / traffic monitoring. Jun 17 19:08:59 i guess it's too early to ask for a push-mail aware program, too? Jun 17 19:08:59 wurp2: i tried: set bootargs_base="rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock4 console=ttySAC0,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=8 rootdelay=5" Jun 17 19:09:05 tomboy64: I would think someone has built a download-limiting proxy that you could run Jun 17 19:09:13 wurp2: and i got: ## Error: illegal character '=' in variable name "bootargs_base="rootfstype=jffs2" Jun 17 19:09:19 Yeah, don't put in the = Jun 17 19:09:22 wurp2: wouldn't that be overkill? Jun 17 19:09:52 i've been hearing bad things about the graphics BW... is it a big issue? Jun 17 19:09:53 tomboy64: It's a generic solution, and should be pretty lightweight Jun 17 19:09:58 hmm Jun 17 19:10:04 good point Jun 17 19:10:46 tomboy64: I agree it would be better for you if there was a config setting already to handle that, but it seems just a little too specific for there to be one Jun 17 19:11:07 wurp2: uhm, i'd argue that. Jun 17 19:11:15 tomboy64: Of course, I don't know anything about it. As a programmer, not an admin, my solution is often "go build it" rather than "find the right tool" Jun 17 19:11:44 since most gprs over here is either measured on a per-megabyte price or on a volume-tariff Jun 17 19:11:47 tomboy64: My solution was to buy unlimited DL :-) Jun 17 19:11:55 uhm Jun 17 19:12:05 200mb/month = 8,50 euros Jun 17 19:12:11 flat-rate = 30 euros Jun 17 19:12:18 that's quite a difference there :-P Jun 17 19:13:04 http://www.spreadfirefox.com/ Jun 17 19:13:10 it's out? Jun 17 19:13:27 This is what happens when you announce to the world that you want to hit the record for most downloads in one day evar Jun 17 19:13:38 tomboy64: Oh, it's about 8.50 euro for unlimited for me Jun 17 19:13:45 something is strange, i already have ff3 (no rc mentioned or anything) Jun 17 19:13:51 Well, more like 12 or 13 Jun 17 19:14:06 wurp2: where are you located? Jun 17 19:14:19 tomboy64: US. Near Dallas, TX to be more specific Jun 17 19:14:23 mhm Jun 17 19:14:29 wurp2, 12.88 as of right now. :P Jun 17 19:14:38 kdean06: thx ;-) Jun 17 19:14:40 :-D Jun 17 19:14:42 meh Jun 17 19:14:45 i want that, too! Jun 17 19:15:01 and I'm on a pre-pay account, no contract Jun 17 19:15:48 After I blew the ~ $180 I had stored up on it in two weeks at $10/MB, I decided to go for the unlimited option :-) Jun 17 19:16:16 (the way they do their stupid pre-pay, the $180 would never have done me any good, anyway) Jun 17 19:21:14 noon: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader_commands#Environment for help on the 'setenv' syntax (it's 'setenv abc value', not 'setenv abc="value"') Jun 17 19:23:24 I do that almost every time Jun 17 19:23:29 Then have to type it in again Jun 17 19:23:53 Anyone know of a boot console program that can handle pasted text? Jun 17 19:24:04 It comes in too fast for cu to handle, it looks like Jun 17 19:24:09 It skips some characters Jun 17 19:24:19 is the boot loader running slower than the serial console? Jun 17 19:24:40 mmontour & wurp2: with the rootdelay it boots. Jun 17 19:24:57 noon: Woohoo! I told you mmontour was more qualified ;-) Jun 17 19:25:21 'tis weird that you need it, though. I've never heard of someone needing it. Jun 17 19:25:22 after the boot i try to access the card Jun 17 19:25:28 *for booting from flash Jun 17 19:26:19 wurp2: developers/werner/neocon/ in the OM svn tree Jun 17 19:29:30 what device does the mmc slot get? Jun 17 19:30:03 mmontour: Excellent, thanks Jun 17 19:30:09 /dev/mmcblk0 (plus "p1", "p2", ... for each partition) Jun 17 19:30:51 okey, now it boots but i didn't see the device Jun 17 19:31:30 In 'dmesg' look for lines starting with "mmc" or "s3c2410-sdi" Jun 17 19:31:31 * mwester uses neocon all the time Jun 17 19:32:38 mmontour: mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card Jun 17 19:33:50 mmontour: the otherlines don't look suspicious Jun 17 19:33:52 uhm Jun 17 19:34:53 i just read monochromementality's review of the asu - any date when (as in: next month, august ... 2009?) it's deemed to be ready? couldn't find a roadmap covering that. Jun 17 19:35:47 noon: sorry, I don't think I can help you with that error. Jun 17 19:36:37 noon: You might try google... Jun 17 19:37:08 tomboy64: I'm not sure if anyone knows. BTW monochromementality == kdean06 == Kevin Dean Jun 17 19:37:25 :) Jun 17 19:37:47 i can hardly remember names/nicks - monochromementality stuck, though Jun 17 19:37:53 Cool! Jun 17 19:37:54 :) Jun 17 19:37:59 Yeah, that's my site. Jun 17 19:37:59 :-P Jun 17 19:38:10 thanks for the updates Jun 17 19:38:22 been gazing at your other gallery, too Jun 17 19:38:24 I was told about an hour later "It's out of date!" :P Jun 17 19:38:25 kdean06: So some people see the world in black & white; you only see it in black? Jun 17 19:38:31 and salivating over the gta02-boxk :-D Jun 17 19:38:48 in ASU someone asked on the ML about the slider view with the 3 panels....and yeh wtf is that? :) Jun 17 19:39:00 wurp2, Load my site and do a select all... You'll see "Everything really is black and white" hidden inside the top bar thingy. Jun 17 19:39:00 yeah - been trying for a while to get a current asu running on qemu ... doesn't quite work :-/ Jun 17 19:39:02 okey. i gave the 128MB card a shoot and then i let it be Jun 17 19:39:47 kdean06: how serious do you think the glamo-issue is, though? Jun 17 19:40:20 kdean06: have you been able to watch, let's say, a mpeg4/xvid/somethinglikethat movie with a decent framerate? Jun 17 19:40:39 tomboy64: balrog-kun is the guy to ask Jun 17 19:40:51 * tomboy64 asks balrog-kun then Jun 17 19:40:59 tomboy64: Since he's implementing the mplayer branch that uses mpeg4 acceleration Jun 17 19:41:04 I honestly don't know. I've been told that some "low res" video will play, though I'm not sure of the specifics. Jun 17 19:41:05 oh! Jun 17 19:41:15 kdean06: yeah, i read slt on the ml Jun 17 19:41:22 tomboy64: And my understanding is that he can play mpeg4 at 320x240 with good framerates (> 20 fps) Jun 17 19:41:55 wurp2: mhmm i guess that would be appropriate, given the size of the screen. Jun 17 19:41:58 tomboy64: But I don't think anyone who knows anything about it expects 640x480 at decent framerates Jun 17 19:42:08 tomboy64: Yeah, I think it will actually be fine Jun 17 19:42:27 tomboy64: Then the only downsides are that you have to transcode to mpeg4 and play from the flash, not SD Jun 17 19:42:37 ewwww Jun 17 19:42:50 btw, how much flash is included? 1gb? Jun 17 19:42:54 or 512? Jun 17 19:42:56 mb Jun 17 19:42:57 Although I'm not sure that mpeg4 wouldn't play from SD OK, given that it should be much less than the whole bus Jun 17 19:46:00 It won't - without using the hardware assist. Jun 17 19:46:12 But with the hardware assust, it shouldn't be a real problem. Jun 17 19:46:27 uhm? hardware assist? Jun 17 19:46:37 the glamo has mpeg-4 decoding Jun 17 19:47:11 With this - it can do (AIUI) 320*240*25fps or so with audio with no real problems. Jun 17 19:47:43 ahh Jun 17 19:47:45 nice Jun 17 19:50:03 thanks so far Jun 17 19:50:18 * tomboy64 is off finding new applications for his future mobile phone Jun 17 19:50:50 SpeedEvil: Yeah, I'm only talking about with the accelerated video Jun 17 19:51:05 Othewise you have to send uncompressed vid over that shitty bus Jun 17 19:54:16 That'd be livable with almost if it wasn't for the fact that DMA doesn't work. Jun 17 19:55:36 tomboy64: yeah, 320x240 at 25fps works Jun 17 19:55:56 i think it would also work if done on the CPU, without glamo Jun 17 19:56:26 the debugboard v3 is for gta02? Jun 17 19:56:40 thanks balrog-kun Jun 17 19:57:10 SpeedEvil: What is the issue with DMA? Jun 17 19:57:12 tobii_sadly: indeed Jun 17 19:57:46 but its also for the gta01? Jun 17 19:58:23 tobii_sadly: I believe the debug board works for both Jun 17 19:58:43 Is JTAG specific enough that any JTAG board will work on any JTAG device? Jun 17 19:58:54 ok Jun 17 19:59:01 tobii_sadly: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Debug_Board_v3 Jun 17 19:59:23 thx Jun 17 20:21:36 hm asu.stable in qemu is working when using the official image, but it doesn't boot when running local ones Jun 17 20:22:02 in fact, the uImage-2.6.24+git20080616-r0-om-gta01.bin is ok, while the local one (uImage-2.6.24+git0+421ed0bdd5b468d9de3ba571f49e7b840a8032e3-r1-om-gta01.bin) doesn't work Jun 17 20:25:00 so. thanks to you all for your help. bye Jun 17 20:29:23 so when IS the freerunner comming out approx? Jun 17 20:30:07 July 4th Jun 17 20:31:52 kdean06: I heard July 3rd. Jun 17 20:34:10 zeno__, wurp2: community news are updated here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates Jun 17 20:35:42 So "Early July" is probably the best answer at this point. :P Jun 17 20:36:03 cyrilRomain: That's funny; I assumed Kevin was joking. I was just joking back... Jun 17 20:45:49 where can I find the script that generate daily built image ? Jun 17 20:46:58 and conf files used? Jun 17 20:49:46 * cyrilRomain would like to know why the kernel built locally differs in name and size than the official one Jun 17 20:51:01 cyrilRomain: its bitbake linux-openmoko Jun 17 20:51:33 cyrilRomain: what differences in size/name? Jun 17 20:52:03 XorA|gone: official one is uImage-2.6.24+git20080616-r0-om-gta01.bin 1.7 M Jun 17 20:52:15 XorA|gone: the local one is uImage-2.6.24+git0+421ed0bdd5b468d9de3ba571f49e7b840a8032e3-r1-om-gta01.bin 1.8 M Jun 17 20:52:33 XorA|gone: I'm just wondering why bitbake does'nt pick the same kernel version Jun 17 20:52:37 cyrilRomain: that looks like you are comparing ASU branch to .dev Jun 17 20:52:53 XorA|gone: arff indeed Jun 17 20:54:46 XorA|gone: is it known the ASU .stable kernel doesn't boot ? (at least in qemu) ? Jun 17 20:56:41 XorA|gone: or did I miss something ? Jun 17 20:59:05 cyrilRomain: how does it fail? Jun 17 20:59:25 * cyrilRomain notices MokoMakefile is something usefull, unless you start using different branches .. Jun 17 21:00:12 balrog-kun: I get many (endless in fact) s3c_nand_calculate_ecc and s3c_correct_data Jun 17 21:00:39 night Jun 17 21:02:10 balrog-kun: http://rafb.net/p/sXCdW828.html Jun 17 21:03:00 balrog-kun: last time I let it run until the left counter was about 500 (~ after 20-30 minutes) Jun 17 21:03:06 cyrilRomain: never tried Im afraid Jun 17 21:03:40 cyrilRomain: qemu doesnt support gta02? Jun 17 21:03:47 * XorA|gone has no idea Jun 17 21:07:33 XorA|gone: not really. There is a gta02fake, but actually flash.sh and some others files need reworking according to the new gta02 NAND and hardware Jun 17 21:09:32 XorA|gone: someone interested should write hw/s3c2442.c from hw/s3c2410.c Jun 17 21:09:49 at least Jun 17 21:11:30 * cyrilRomain tried qtopia-x11 asu.dev for gta02 in qemu but due above, fallback on asu.stable for gta01 Jun 17 21:12:07 try a GTA01 ASU image from buildhost Jun 17 21:12:12 a little out of date Jun 17 21:12:16 but should work Jun 17 21:15:39 buildhost gta01 images work for me in qemu Jun 17 21:15:43 asu and non-asu Jun 17 21:16:38 cyrilRomain: weird Jun 17 21:16:48 cyrilRomain: did you flash using the exact same kernel? Jun 17 21:16:58 oh wait :P Jun 17 21:17:05 you don't flash with the kernel :p Jun 17 21:21:16 balrog-kun: what do you mean by flashing with the kernel ? Jun 17 22:06:14 so now that the development is finished, any aqurate info about the phone's uptime? Jun 17 22:08:12 good morning openmoko hacker! Jun 17 22:08:18 i need some quick advice Jun 17 22:08:30 as you might know i installed debian on my neo1973 Jun 17 22:08:43 now i need to get any response from the two hardware keys Jun 17 22:08:52 but xev doesnt give me anything Jun 17 22:08:56 ideas? Jun 17 22:08:59 how should it work? Jun 17 22:11:15 does cat /dev/event/input1 show any events? Jun 17 22:11:30 (I'm unsure if that's in fact the correct device) Jun 17 22:12:50 you mean /etc/input/event1 Jun 17 22:13:37 I hope it's not in /etc Jun 17 22:13:58 ups ^^ Jun 17 22:14:12 mwester, i fact i SYMLINKED it to etc :P Jun 17 22:14:18 aggtrfrad: finished? Jun 17 22:14:21 :p Jun 17 22:14:36 My neo has /dev/input/event1 Jun 17 22:15:26 jop it's cat /dev/input/event0 Jun 17 22:15:39 Or hexdump -C /dev/input/event0 Jun 17 22:15:48 for a slightly more readable output. Jun 17 22:16:04 now i have to teach Xorg to read it :P Jun 17 22:16:19 maybe by doing something like Option "Device" "/dev/input/event0" Jun 17 22:19:51 afaik the X in openmoko doesn't read these either Jun 17 22:20:02 instead neod or whever reads them Jun 17 22:31:13 balrog-kun, i know but i /somwhow/ need to read it normally Jun 17 22:31:49 josch, define normally Jun 17 22:31:59 xorg Jun 17 22:32:11 via a keyboard input device Jun 17 22:32:20 balrog-kun: so do you have an idea of the cause of the problem ? (http://rafb.net/p/sXCdW828.html) Jun 17 22:32:22 this is normal for reading keycodes Jun 17 22:34:36 re Jun 17 22:35:06 mwester: ping? Jun 17 22:38:20 cyrilRomain: hmm, no ideas, seems like the flash is indeed botched Jun 17 22:38:35 may be either the kernel failing to read or the u-boot failing to write Jun 17 22:39:16 grmbl Jun 17 22:39:24 the key seems to be rly borked Jun 17 22:39:33 it sends so very different keycodes Jun 17 22:39:44 that when i press it several times Jun 17 22:40:00 my console gets spammed by several different ASCII chars Jun 17 22:40:35 16 Jun 17 22:40:43 /dev/input/event* outputs 165 chars per event. Jun 17 22:41:06 are you doing cat /dev/input/event0? these are not the actual keycodes Jun 17 22:41:26 no i dont Jun 17 22:41:56 is used: Jun 17 22:41:57 Section "InputDevice" Jun 17 22:41:57 Identifier "Generic Keyboard" Jun 17 22:41:57 Driver "kbd" Jun 17 22:41:57 Option "Device" "/dev/input/event0" Jun 17 22:41:57 EndSection Jun 17 22:42:12 the driver seems wrong Jun 17 22:43:36 try "evdev" Jun 17 22:43:52 thx Jun 17 22:47:13 balrog-kun: ok. As a workaround I will boot asu.{stable,dev} images with .dev kernel Jun 17 22:47:36 balrog-kun: thanks anyway Jun 17 22:50:38 same issue Jun 17 22:50:52 i hit the button once and i get and endless loop of keycode 117 Jun 17 22:50:56 177 Jun 17 22:57:06 hrm... no Jun 17 22:57:11 something is still wrong Jun 17 22:57:25 keycode 177 also gets triggered by the touchscreen Jun 17 22:58:11 darn and mickey|zzZZzz just went to sleep... Jun 17 22:59:53 okay by reading neod source i deduce that i need keycode 169 for AUX Jun 18 00:37:29 Trying to build asu.stable image for Freerunner and repeatedly getting these errors, can anyone offer me advice? I've cleaned it three times and run updates per the wiki instructions. The errors I'm getting are -> http://pastebin.ca/1049701 Jun 18 01:08:40 is there a separate channel for HW discussion or a separate mailing list for HW? Jun 18 01:14:45 there is a ml Jun 18 01:14:57 some here know of the hardware **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 18 02:59:56 2008