**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 23 02:59:56 2008 Jun 23 03:16:45 openmoko: 03zecke * r4492 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/config.gta02v5: Fix the path to the uImage, it is "om" now. Jun 23 03:21:28 "devirginator", how poetic.... Jun 23 03:25:04 elfo: poetic is not quite the word I was thinking about Jun 23 03:25:27 elfo: how is goign for you? Jun 23 03:25:56 elfo: so as far as I figure I am building all the packages with make openmoko-devel-image Jun 23 03:27:01 elfo: I am starting to understand the setup a bit better Jun 23 03:59:36 650/3400 Jun 23 03:59:40 building glib Jun 23 04:00:31 though i think my -j3 is not working very well here.... Jun 23 04:00:44 pretty sure is not forking at all Jun 23 04:02:35 compiling ncurses :) Jun 23 04:02:52 i wonder what depends on ncurses on openmoko.... Jun 23 04:03:19 ncurses! Jun 23 04:03:29 yes ncurses Jun 23 04:03:39 imagine a full phone-ui based on ncurses :D Jun 23 04:04:07 how cool :) Jun 23 04:04:19 centericq && bitlbeed Jun 23 04:04:33 (bitlbeed with irssi of course) Jun 23 04:04:37 and rtorrent Jun 23 04:04:44 ghgh Jun 23 04:05:50 screen -x within ssh is cool too Jun 23 04:06:52 little stupid question.... does skype run on openmoko/qtopia ? Jun 23 04:07:40 compiling gnutls... ogg... how exciting! Jun 23 04:07:51 e17 libs!!!! Jun 23 04:09:05 elfo: afaik, no skype unless they port it themselfes Jun 23 04:09:12 ok Jun 23 04:09:35 some other opensource voip soft is cool too Jun 23 04:09:50 i just need to set up an asterisk bot at home... even better Jun 23 04:09:57 s/bot/box/ Jun 23 04:09:58 elfo meant: i just need to set up an asterisk box at home... even better Jun 23 04:10:29 looking forward to it.... Jun 23 04:31:35 SpeedEvil, wohaaa Jun 23 04:32:06 it's half past six in the morning here! and you waved me half past four!! Jun 23 04:32:54 SpeedEvil, whats up? Jun 23 04:35:50 CEST for me too josch Jun 23 04:36:47 yawn Jun 23 05:02:18 ok i think i go for rockbox :) Jun 23 05:02:48 (but still interested in FR, in emulation until i will become rich enough to buy one) Jun 23 05:06:25 isn't rockbox software for iPods and some other music players? Jun 23 05:06:38 Sonicadvance1: yes Jun 23 05:07:08 .org Jun 23 05:10:10 iAudio X5 seems just fit for me :) Jun 23 05:10:59 moreover rockbox has rockboy, based on gnuboy :) Jun 23 05:11:06 that's the killer app Jun 23 05:11:10 ghghgh Jun 23 05:11:30 uh... mokomakefile building the kernel :D Jun 23 05:11:39 1/3 of build Jun 23 06:22:11 openmoko: 03tick * r4493 10/developers/tick/Test_env_script_GTA02A5/setneo: Let neo knows the DNS Jun 23 06:28:50 openmoko: 03tick * r4494 10/developers/tick/Test_env_script_GTA02A5/setneo: fix a miss type of ip Jun 23 06:38:36 elfo: so what I do not understand is why it needs to compile everything before burning an image, I would have figured there was a minimum Jun 23 06:47:55 morning Jun 23 06:49:20 Neat how April Software Update could get switched to be August software update Jun 23 07:01:28 everyone is a critic Jun 23 07:03:33 I'm not Jun 23 07:03:36 I'm a rapist Jun 23 07:03:46 oh wait, that's not right Jun 23 07:05:07 it's not right, but i'd bet it's still true Jun 23 07:06:51 good morning Jun 23 07:10:52 good morning Jun 23 07:21:13 mornin Jun 23 07:26:30 how do I extract file out of .ipk ? Jun 23 07:26:40 ar? Jun 23 07:46:16 does openmoko use scratchbox for cross compilation? Jun 23 08:05:38 elfo: PARALLEL_MAKE = "-j 4" BB_NUMBER_THREADS = "4" Jun 23 08:05:54 elfo: of course setting it to your values Jun 23 08:06:00 in local.conf Jun 23 08:09:55 hi all Jun 23 08:10:45 I'm a very newby to openmoko, I'd like to understand if freerunner is able to sync contacts and calendar with evolution Jun 23 08:11:04 I've googled around but I didn't really get an answer Jun 23 08:11:07 vds for that it would probably need the opensync Jun 23 08:11:19 http://www.opensync.org Jun 23 08:12:47 Tuju: is that a guess? Jun 23 08:13:22 yes, i don't know does openmoko have any kind of sync API/code yet. Jun 23 08:13:22 is evolution-data-server still parto of the openmoko platform? Jun 23 08:14:59 vds: I do not see it in packages...but I doubt evolution would look decent on that screen Jun 23 08:15:05 vds: not to mention its a hog Jun 23 08:15:28 vds: opensync is probably your best bet...this is something I going to definately check when I get mine Jun 23 08:16:41 what exactly is -j 4 ? are there 3 cpu computers Jun 23 08:16:48 do nto they usually come in pairs? Jun 23 08:17:31 Tuju goodwill thaks Jun 23 08:17:37 thanks Jun 23 08:18:07 vds: an alternate route is to have your local puter export an iCal of exchange stuff and you sync with that Jun 23 08:18:21 vds: I am also goign to try that Jun 23 08:18:38 you do ical export with evolution easily Jun 23 08:18:56 flipping exchange Jun 23 08:20:24 goodwill: I'm just worried about that the fields of of the two apps will be difficult to match as you may know ical (like most of the other formats) are so weak in their specs that sync is always a mess Jun 23 08:20:56 vds: maybe, have you ever tried it? Jun 23 08:21:26 vds: like google calendar uses iCal right...it seems pretty good now Jun 23 08:21:30 goodwill: not with openmoko Jun 23 08:21:51 vds: have you tried it on just a regular linux boxen? Jun 23 08:22:08 goodwill: with other device, mostly nokia Jun 23 08:22:23 ti is always a mess even between nokia and nokia... Jun 23 08:22:34 like different version of communicator Jun 23 08:22:40 *sigh* Jun 23 08:23:32 unfortunately ical (like vcal, vcalendar, vnotes etc) defines sintax not semantic Jun 23 08:24:46 I got to try exporting from evolution and like importing it into lightning or something Jun 23 08:24:52 see how that works Jun 23 08:25:25 goodwill: please keep us informed! :) Jun 23 08:26:18 another way to go is to shun exchange users ;) Jun 23 08:26:30 lets face, who needs friends like that Jun 23 08:26:39 s/face/face it/ Jun 23 08:26:42 s/face/face it Jun 23 08:26:45 goodwill meant: lets face it, who needs friends like that Jun 23 08:27:04 thank you apt_ Jun 23 08:27:09 ;) Jun 23 08:36:22 openmoko: 03tick * r4495 10/developers/tick/Test_env_script_GTA02A5/setneo: remove the known_hosts forcely Jun 23 08:54:12 why in the openmoko dist is inherited the rm_work task? Jun 23 08:54:18 it's to clear all the sources? Jun 23 08:54:32 was there support for feeding assistance data into the freerunner gps chip btw? Jun 23 08:55:06 methril, isnt that to clear the object files left around after compiling Jun 23 08:55:10 saves a lot of space Jun 23 08:55:38 but yo didn't need that if you are modifying source isnt' it? Jun 23 08:56:19 it doesnt remove the downloaded sources in sources/ if thats what you meant. Jun 23 08:57:20 it removes the temporary compiled sources? Jun 23 08:57:25 mjr there seems to be some code about for talking to some assistance server Jun 23 08:57:55 ok at this point I have gathered up knowledge to say that the http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily Jun 23 08:58:01 meshuga, yes, compiled build files Jun 23 08:58:10 is compiled with only a few things Jun 23 08:58:28 which leaves me with a question of what packages to I install to make it half way usuable Jun 23 08:58:43 so it looks like a freerunner Jun 23 08:58:49 and how do I do that Jun 23 09:00:09 there does not seem to be a snapshot since 2007.11 Jun 23 09:00:25 so I assume to get the latest I have to pull dev repos and compile and use it Jun 23 09:01:08 which brings me to a question of: what the difference between openmoko-devel-image and openmoko-qtopia-x11-image Jun 23 09:04:54 goodwill, qtopia uses Qt; openmoko-devel-image uses GTK+ Jun 23 09:05:17 mbuf: so they are completely different interfaces? Jun 23 09:05:38 mbuf: is one now the official one, and the other is not Jun 23 09:05:46 goodwill, look and feel; Qt is C++ based; GTK+ is C based Jun 23 09:06:08 mbuf: yeah, I know what QT and gtk are :) Jun 23 09:06:22 goodwill, i can't answer about the official one; just use whatever you like Jun 23 09:06:35 mbuf: I am just trying to understand how they all fit in with open moko Jun 23 09:06:43 which is being developed actively and what not Jun 23 09:06:54 goodwill, i suggest you browse the archives of the ML; there was a heavy discussion on that Jun 23 09:06:59 goodwill, both are AFAIK Jun 23 09:07:04 openmoko-atopia-x11-image is part of the ASU Jun 23 09:07:10 IIRC Jun 23 09:08:04 hmm Jun 23 09:09:55 *sigh* Jun 23 09:11:37 11 days left Jun 23 09:12:01 eh? Jun 23 09:12:02 and we'll buy that broken phone Jun 23 09:12:20 CVirus: thats the spirit Jun 23 09:12:26 :-D Jun 23 09:12:48 CVirus: we still have not gotten enough people for the 10 pak :-/ Jun 23 09:12:55 oh yes we will Jun 23 09:13:03 goodwill: where do you live ? Jun 23 09:13:09 Los Angeles Jun 23 09:13:17 need 2 more Jun 23 09:13:48 hell even San Diego got enough people...stupid Angelinos Jun 23 09:13:56 * Sup3rkiddo flaunts his Freerunner which he received two hours ago :D Jun 23 09:14:02 muhahah Jun 23 09:14:15 Sup3rkiddo: do not make install windows on it Jun 23 09:14:20 Sup3rkiddo: do not make me install windows on it Jun 23 09:14:25 * mjr whacks Sup3rkiddo with his Neo1973 Advanced kit case Jun 23 09:14:32 oh noes Jun 23 09:14:38 well ... I think I have enough people here in Egypt but the point is that we'll pay hell alot for the customs and shipping and after all .. they might impound the devices at the airport owing to the illegability of GPS in this stupid country Jun 23 09:14:46 Sup3rkiddo: why did they give you one ? Jun 23 09:14:59 CVirus, all SoC students receive one :D Jun 23 09:15:04 lucky asses Jun 23 09:15:10 Sup3rkiddo: I hate you Jun 23 09:15:12 for free ? Jun 23 09:15:37 Sup3rkiddo: where you at? Jun 23 09:15:41 CVirus, i think so, Jun 23 09:15:50 goodwill, Chennai, India Jun 23 09:16:05 .and oh yeah, am flashing it with the latest images Jun 23 09:16:09 :P Jun 23 09:16:36 ASU ? Jun 23 09:16:53 I am still suffering trying to get something decent under Qemu Jun 23 09:17:16 CVirus, not ASU, flashing the regular image, later on fso images since thats where I am working on Jun 23 09:17:28 Sup3rkiddo: what are you flashing? Jun 23 09:17:39 I wonder why not ASU ? Jun 23 09:17:47 Sup3rkiddo: cause I put the daily ones under qemu and its just basic stuff Jun 23 09:17:51 I am a total n00b Jun 23 09:17:55 CVirus, i had the images ready Jun 23 09:17:59 built i mean Jun 23 09:18:06 ah Jun 23 09:18:15 so i couldn't wait Jun 23 09:18:20 just flash the damn thing Jun 23 09:24:25 don't break it Sup3rkiddo ;) Jun 23 09:39:25 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * re2a3d42a750f 10/classes/image.bbclass: [image.bbclass] make sure image directory is created before image Jun 23 09:42:02 Sup3rkiddo: how did you get the freerunner(sorry, just came online) Jun 23 09:42:13 GSoC Jun 23 09:42:47 so here's a question... I've joined a local group to get a freerunner, how does that work generally to make the purchase? Jun 23 09:43:20 they take 369$ from you and give you a broken phone Jun 23 09:43:31 :p Jun 23 09:43:46 we still debate whether one guy will order ten packs himself or is it better to find an importer Jun 23 09:44:49 yes, it seems like some organization is needed amoungst the groups obviously Jun 23 09:45:05 i'm still confused ho the purchase is made though... Jun 23 09:45:13 h/ho/how Jun 23 09:47:37 swc|666: where are you? Jun 23 09:47:45 seattle Jun 23 09:48:23 hmmm, nowhere near me Jun 23 09:48:31 goodwill: where are you? Jun 23 09:48:34 LA Jun 23 09:48:45 the city Jun 23 09:48:46 louisiana or los angeles? Jun 23 09:48:49 ahh..lol Jun 23 09:49:05 i used to live in culver city... Jun 23 09:49:08 we got a local tester ordering it Jun 23 09:49:14 nice Jun 23 09:49:17 but I am bnot sure how it will go Jun 23 09:49:21 we still need 2 people Jun 23 09:49:33 i see 8 people from LA in the list on wiki Jun 23 09:49:37 where does the order go through... the openmoko site? Jun 23 09:50:15 Aren't there like free jabber servers I can connect to instead of setting up my own ? Jun 23 09:50:53 swc|666: no idea Jun 23 09:51:10 and i'm wondering about import taxes and all that Jun 23 09:51:23 i've found little info on the subject Jun 23 09:51:36 swc|666: what still bothers me about direct.openmoko.com is that their ssl cert is self generated Jun 23 09:51:51 goodwill: i noticed that as well Jun 23 09:51:54 that does encourage confidence in random people Jun 23 09:52:00 s/does/does not Jun 23 09:52:11 right Jun 23 09:52:27 * swc|666 just wants he freerunner.. yesterday Jun 23 09:52:34 true, true Jun 23 09:54:39 another thing that bugs me is that i've emailed openmoko twice and have had no response Jun 23 09:54:54 what did you ask them? Jun 23 09:55:20 about the payment process... estimated taxes, etc Jun 23 09:56:32 swc|666: you will get phones shipped to you from inside the USA Jun 23 09:56:39 its also not clear to me if they will ship a debug board along site the 10 pack Jun 23 09:56:43 cause I want one Jun 23 09:57:07 XorA: really? Jun 23 09:57:10 XorA: is a certain amount being delivered to US for distribution? Jun 23 09:57:24 AFAIK we have a US distribution hub Jun 23 09:57:25 is there a distributor or something handling U.S. purchases? Jun 23 09:57:30 nice Jun 23 09:57:39 XorA: are you one of the openmoko Wise ones? Jun 23 09:57:48 goodwill: I work for them, but Im not so wise Jun 23 09:57:55 goodwill: I also have nothing to do with sales Jun 23 09:58:03 XorA: hardware? software? Jun 23 09:58:05 lolz Jun 23 09:58:09 goodwill: software, OE Jun 23 09:58:18 ooohhh Jun 23 09:58:38 XorA: mind answering a couple of questions/ Jun 23 09:58:40 ? Jun 23 09:58:45 it would be nice to be able to have some kin of information so that the groups will have a plan when the time comes Jun 23 09:58:52 k/kin/kind Jun 23 09:59:07 XorA: I've been trying to run qemu with an image Jun 23 09:59:12 I am a total n00b here Jun 23 09:59:17 I got the daily image to run Jun 23 09:59:18 swc|666: send an email to community, its the list read by the guys in charge of shipping Jun 23 09:59:28 goodwill: qemu I know nothing about Jun 23 09:59:29 but it seems to be rather limited Jun 23 09:59:34 XorA: thank you.. i will do that Jun 23 09:59:39 do I then install packages? Jun 23 09:59:42 how does this work Jun 23 09:59:43 goodwill: ASU? Jun 23 10:00:07 erm...I do not know...just the daily one using mokomakefile Jun 23 10:00:30 there seesm to be limitted about of info about how to get a nice fully featured version running Jun 23 10:00:43 do I install packages...how is that done Jun 23 10:00:48 rather confusing Jun 23 10:00:52 goodwill: ssh into the machine and use opkg Jun 23 10:02:13 ok that helps Jun 23 10:02:16 a bit Jun 23 10:02:47 is there a set thats considered to feature full I should be installing? Jun 23 10:03:03 maybe a meta package? Jun 23 10:03:29 I can not even get assassin to work Jun 23 10:03:46 XorA: thank you though, I have a lead now Jun 23 10:04:07 how do you ssh into it? Jun 23 10:04:14 goodwill: there isnt much software for ASU Jun 23 10:04:30 XorA: no? Jun 23 10:04:30 goodwill: you can install the not installed bits of qtopia, and random gtk+ stuff as you like Jun 23 10:04:52 goodwill: but OM is focusing on images, not the larger picture at the moment Jun 23 10:05:23 I have been compiling the openmoko-devel-image Jun 23 10:05:34 which seems to build liek over 6000 packages Jun 23 10:05:54 I am not sure why that many Jun 23 10:06:18 lots of stuff like gdb Jun 23 10:06:25 strace lsof as its the devel image Jun 23 10:06:44 goodwill: but any gtk+ software in OE will work Jun 23 10:06:54 goodwill: so its really upto you what to install Jun 23 10:07:02 OE? Jun 23 10:07:07 openembed Jun 23 10:07:12 yes Jun 23 10:07:17 what OM uses Jun 23 10:07:32 what I am trying to figure out is what a nice minimal set Jun 23 10:08:10 well that is purely upto your own tastes Jun 23 10:08:21 personally I like abiword, gnumeric and gimp to be there Jun 23 10:10:24 XorA: gimp??? and that runs well? Jun 23 10:12:07 zlfita: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU#Setting_up_USB_connection Jun 23 10:12:12 zlfita: have not tried it yet Jun 23 10:12:56 goodwill: its usable on some machine Jun 23 10:13:46 *sigh* Jun 23 10:15:02 XorA: I guess my problem is that instead of something getting a usable interface...like in all the screenshots and videos, I get weird screens and fonts that are off Jun 23 10:15:39 XorA: I am just trying to understand how I get to a stage liek this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Qemu-ubuntu1.png Jun 23 10:15:43 or what not Jun 23 10:16:05 goodwill: this is like the 20th time you misspell "like" Jun 23 10:16:11 CVirus: and? Jun 23 10:16:25 sounds n00bish Jun 23 10:16:34 I am a n00b Jun 23 10:16:51 I'm a n00b too but I don't misspell the word "like" Jun 23 10:16:52 :-p Jun 23 10:17:00 um, congrats? ;) Jun 23 10:17:08 whatever .. back to my studies Jun 23 10:20:18 goodwill: thats an old picture, the theme changed since then Jun 23 10:20:33 goodwill: looks pretty similar, but flatter these days Jun 23 10:20:48 ok...but the one I get from the latest image looks even worse... Jun 23 10:20:58 goodwill: but openmoko-devel-image should give you that, does when I build it here Jun 23 10:21:04 wy ar yuo fiting ovar tihs? yuo sohuld nt akt liek tihs hear Jun 23 10:21:08 :-) Jun 23 10:21:15 XorA: I am building it now Jun 23 10:21:20 could'nt resist... sorry Jun 23 10:21:32 goodwill: the images on buildhost were buggered Jun 23 10:21:38 goodwill: I am fixing that currently Jun 23 10:21:53 XorA: I am just surprized it need to build 6000+ applications before making an image Jun 23 10:22:07 goodwill: devel-image has a lot of debugging tools Jun 23 10:22:10 XorA: I thought I was doing somethign wrong Jun 23 10:22:21 I think that goes down by 1000 just by building openmoko-image Jun 23 10:22:51 the reason its large is stuff gets built that is only used by plugins of software we dont acutally use in OM Jun 23 10:23:00 but we want to leave the ability to use Jun 23 10:23:24 XorA: so the minal set is openmoko-image ? Jun 23 10:23:30 yeah Jun 23 10:23:31 s/minal/minimal Jun 23 10:23:52 ok Jun 23 10:23:54 also its not 6000 packages, but 6000 steps. much less packages Jun 23 10:24:09 because stageing, building, packaging etc are all single steps Jun 23 10:24:17 I see Jun 23 10:24:18 oh yeah, thanks roh, forgot to say that Jun 23 10:25:18 so it builds stage1, stage2, stage3 Jun 23 10:25:34 (using gentoo lingo) Jun 23 10:27:29 hmmm, there is no openmoko-image in mokomakefile Jun 23 10:27:36 there is openmoko-feed Jun 23 10:27:57 i think its 'openmoko-devel-image' Jun 23 10:28:31 XorA said openmoko-image is smaller then openmoko-devel-image. Jun 23 10:28:38 ah.. that Jun 23 10:28:50 then its propably not in mokomakefile Jun 23 10:28:58 does openmoko-feed pull from buildhost feed/ Jun 23 10:29:08 daily-feed Jun 23 10:29:13 mokomakefile is just a wrapper to help beginners set up their buildsystem, check stuff out to the right locations and so on Jun 23 10:29:34 which is exactly who I am Jun 23 10:29:55 I want to be able to do all of the building before I get the phone Jun 23 10:30:00 no, openmoko-feed builds the same packages as the official openmoko feed Jun 23 10:31:05 XorA: but its just packages right? no flash image? Jun 23 10:31:15 goodwill: yes Jun 23 10:32:18 XorA: so the though is to use the daily rootfs and packages from daily-feed/ to get a system up and running quickly without much compile? Jun 23 10:32:26 s/though/thought Jun 23 10:32:52 yes. without any compiling (since the buildhost done it for your) Jun 23 10:33:15 hmm Jun 23 10:33:42 the buildsys is just 'completely rebuildable' since some people who want to do bigger changes can operate completely independant Jun 23 10:33:52 roh: so the one remaining question I have is what is the minimal set of packages I need to get the phone in a nice working condition Jun 23 10:34:21 one can also use the toolchain to build single, simple packages if wanted (and the toolchain can be regenerated(compiled) from the buildsys) Jun 23 10:34:27 like in gentoo if I wanted gnome, I can install a gnome meta package instead of goign through each ebuild Jun 23 10:34:50 is there something that would help me with that in OM? Jun 23 10:34:53 goodwill it should have that minimal set after flashing the rootfs and kernel Jun 23 10:35:22 minimal as in 'anything to boot it up with all default apps' .. or do you mean something even more minimalistic? Jun 23 10:35:57 roh: the minimal set I got from the daily image today was merely unusable (now I understand if this was just cause its work in progress) Jun 23 10:36:24 I guess minimal as in default apps Jun 23 10:36:40 in ubuntu that woudl be their livecd Jun 23 10:37:34 roh: it just was not clear to me if I was even flashing the right thing Jun 23 10:37:48 roh: cause even the icons were off, looked nothign liek ANY screenshots Jun 23 10:38:00 actually ubuntu /has/ minimal, which is smaller then the contents of the live cd :) Jun 23 10:38:02 well.. i think we are not there yet (at a 'stable version, bug-tested and free') state yet. daily builds are just whats defined as current stable at the time of build Jun 23 10:38:02 s/liek/like Jun 23 10:38:35 roh: understandable Jun 23 10:39:18 and since the buildsys is so extremely flexible it always depends on what image target one builds. openmoko-devel-image is just one possible combination of packages Jun 23 10:39:37 roh: which is why I am compling openmoko-devel-image. But it was taking so long, I was not sure I was doing it wrong Jun 23 10:39:44 s/wrong/right Jun 23 10:40:12 takes about 6hours on a core2duo 2.3ghz with 2gb ram and fast disky, all sources already downloaded Jun 23 10:40:27 sounds about right Jun 23 10:40:36 I got 2.8 dual Jun 23 10:40:42 including building cross-toolchain, compiler, libs, anything Jun 23 10:40:53 been running for about 6 hours now and is 2/3 of the way through Jun 23 10:41:01 with downloading Jun 23 10:41:22 3/4 of the way through Jun 23 10:41:24 woohooo Jun 23 10:41:59 roh: so with openmoko-devel-image I should get the defaul apps preinstalled? or will I have to figure out what needs to be installed? Jun 23 10:42:23 the first one. default apps installed Jun 23 10:42:38 oh good Jun 23 10:43:00 roh: you and XorA have been of great help Jun 23 10:43:06 thank you Jun 23 10:43:29 XorA we should have a list of apps for each image target somewhere.. any idea who could write that up? Jun 23 10:44:14 roh: one more question...when you guys do app devel do you guys do development using qemu or nested xorg with 686 compiled, chrooted env? Jun 23 10:46:04 roh: should be pretty easy to extract any get brenda to fancify for wiki Jun 23 10:46:26 XorA something like that, yeah Jun 23 10:46:34 roh: Ill add it to my todo list Jun 23 10:46:56 XorA just as a explination which images are what, whats included in (important) libs and visible apps Jun 23 10:47:07 roh: yeah makes sens Jun 23 10:47:09 e Jun 23 10:47:20 I can read .bb files like stories, but others cant Jun 23 10:47:25 ;) not anybody can read .bb ;) Jun 23 10:47:33 free java progressing, incidentally (the full version): http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/software/0,39044164,62042966,00.htm Jun 23 10:47:45 anyway off for a bit Jun 23 10:47:49 probably hogs a bit too much memory though Jun 23 10:48:27 how was that phoneme thing doing, I believe it worked at some point on a qvfb; now that we have qtopia/X11 can one do away with the qvfb part? Jun 23 10:58:18 not that I like sun, but I do enjoy when it does things that make MS cry a bit Jun 23 10:59:37 sun is becoming more likable, methinks; because it has to, certainly, but anyway :] Jun 23 11:00:06 the problem its becoming more likable because it has to, not because it wants too Jun 23 11:00:17 kinda like pulling the mule forward by the ears Jun 23 11:00:50 <`6og> sun microsystems? Jun 23 11:01:08 no....the star named Sol ;) Jun 23 11:01:16 that thing hates open source Jun 23 11:01:18 ;) **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 23 11:09:06 2008 Jun 23 11:48:00 re **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 23 12:01:13 2008 Jun 23 12:09:10 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rc6e3826b484b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade exposure to get faster startup speed Jun 23 14:58:46 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * rdfece4c32605 10/odeviced/src/plugins/ (backlight/Makefile.am power/Makefile.am wifi/Makefile.am): Pass OE's QA checks Jun 23 14:59:55 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r7d1d6e1ead64 10/framework/controller.py: controller: show registered object paths sorted and with the interface they implement Jun 23 14:59:56 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r2cb9cad6707c 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: kernel26: cosmetics Jun 23 14:59:56 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * rba2fa09490a1 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/main.py: odeviced/main: add GetCpuInfo method, add wildcard support to List Jun 23 15:10:18 hi all, I am pretty new here (folowed passively openmoko for +/- a year), I will be in Taiwan for a few weeks, anyone know where can I get a freerunner in .tw? Jun 23 15:10:43 Wait. Jun 23 15:10:54 Nobody yet knows when it will be available. Jun 23 15:11:01 Or if they know they're not telling us. Jun 23 15:11:16 xming: knock on the office doors :-D Jun 23 15:11:24 oh, wasn't it like "begining of July"? Jun 23 15:11:44 one thing to watch though is the phones arent made in taiwan Jun 23 15:12:23 phone are made in China, offices are in .tw Jun 23 15:12:45 Ive no idea who will be selling them in .tw Jun 23 15:12:49 but most likely the coordination will be don't in Tawain, maybe I should just phone the, Jun 23 15:13:22 I can even drop by the office :) lol if I do I will take pictures :) Jun 23 15:13:36 * XorA|gone has been to office, not that interesting :-) Jun 23 15:13:51 dull gray office buildeing :) Jun 23 15:14:06 it does have a grass wall though Jun 23 15:14:16 in OM office that is Jun 23 15:14:23 they are one little bit of a bigger building Jun 23 15:15:32 og neiho, my sister in law has a dentist practice their :) Jun 23 15:16:04 that' just the office of FIC? I was hoping that OM had an office their Jun 23 15:16:25 xming: Openmoko are a chunk of one floor inside FIC Jun 23 15:16:43 getting a freerunnier will give my vacation some meaning :) Jun 23 15:16:50 XorA|gone: ty Jun 23 15:17:14 xming: ask at approx 8am .tw time when some of the .tw engineers are awake and here :-) Jun 23 15:17:22 8am GMT i meant Jun 23 15:17:37 whatever late hour that is in ,tw I cant remeber Jun 23 15:17:55 hmm MRT does not go pass therer :( Jun 23 15:18:12 no, the office is a pain in the arse to get to Jun 23 15:18:18 .tw is +8 GMT Jun 23 15:18:22 us non chinese speakers have to get taxis Jun 23 15:18:41 I can get MRT then the bus :) Jun 23 15:19:01 I would have, if I knew how to ask for the tickets :-) Jun 23 15:19:11 well I have never figured out the bus signs in Taipei but I can get a bus :) Jun 23 15:19:27 asking tickets is simple :p Jun 23 15:20:19 it's "only" 2km from the MRT station Jun 23 15:20:28 easy walk then Jun 23 15:20:55 not really, 2km in .tw is not the same as 2km in Europe/US Jun 23 15:21:06 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * rfe9dfa3ac3f3 10/ (ChangeLog README): Jun 23 15:21:06 freesmartphone.org: zhone: add ChangeLog. This should contain _user visible_ changes, it's meant to be a compagnion to SCM history, not a Jun 23 15:21:06 freesmartphone.org: replicate Jun 23 15:21:13 xming: I put in a whole lot more than 2km when I went shopping in Taipei :-) Jun 23 15:21:29 it's like 40 degrees + all exaust from the aircos and freaking non walkable pedastian roads Jun 23 15:21:31 shoragan, alphaone: please add zhone ChangeLog in the future whenever you perform uservisible changes Jun 23 15:22:13 XorA|gone: I did once 8km in the morning (5am), that was fast and easy Jun 23 15:22:26 xming: when I was there pollution was well within levels I can handle Jun 23 15:22:35 maybe thats my London upbringing Jun 23 15:22:50 XorA|gone: but during normal hours I find it very unpleasant to walk, except some better/newer area/regions Jun 23 15:23:36 XorA|gone: I can handle the poulution quite well, personally I don't think taipei is *that* bad except shanshon Jun 23 15:24:01 since the MRT era it's much muchh better now Jun 23 15:24:17 Edinburgh is actually the worst for pollution, but the pollution smells of beer so thats ok Jun 23 15:24:42 except I guess they closed most of the breweries now :-( Jun 23 15:25:03 hehe OM's shop is using revoked cert (sec_error_revoked_certificate) Jun 23 15:25:31 I love the smoke coming out from the beer breweries Jun 23 15:25:40 smell delicious Jun 23 15:26:17 I might just start pestering FIC/OM before I am in .tw :) Jun 23 15:26:52 getting me a GPS phone I can ever start doing openstreetmap mapping Jun 23 15:26:58 s/ever/even Jun 23 15:27:33 anyway I have to actually leave leave, great chatting to you! Jun 23 15:27:57 how's the bettery/power management doing now? Last I checked (long time ago) it was like 1/2 hour Jun 23 15:28:03 XorA|gone: cya Jun 23 15:28:54 actually curse windows, its only 16:30 not 17:30 Jun 23 15:29:28 XorA|gone: woha, you are in the BST timezone :) Jun 23 15:29:33 yes Jun 23 15:29:41 but windows messed with me clock Jun 23 15:30:44 * xming looks at the windows of his house, but couldn't find them messing wiht his clock Jun 23 15:31:02 must be some radio-active windows Jun 23 15:31:22 or are you in a time capsule? Jun 23 15:33:49 no, I ran vista earlier :-) Jun 23 15:35:24 earlier? Are you sure? ;p Jun 23 15:35:38 nope Jun 23 15:37:06 is OM CE certified? Jun 23 15:37:11 yes Jun 23 15:37:19 wtf is CE ? Jun 23 15:37:23 windows ce ? Jun 23 15:37:27 only saw NCC and FCC Jun 23 15:37:33 CVirus: european quality standard Jun 23 15:37:36 CVirus: yes of course :) Jun 23 15:37:39 ah ok Jun 23 15:37:53 CE0682 on my Freerunner Jun 23 15:38:25 XorA|gone: you have a freerunner? Jun 23 15:38:34 * xming tries to steal it Jun 23 15:38:34 xming: I work for OM Jun 23 15:38:43 ah Jun 23 15:39:58 so I nly have to go to UK to get the phone :) Jun 23 15:40:20 or Germany :-D Jun 23 15:40:24 * mickeyl hides Jun 23 15:40:26 phones are sold in the UK ? Jun 23 15:40:36 CVirus: there is a UK distributer Jun 23 15:40:54 CVirus: I am going to steal XorA's phone :) Jun 23 15:41:17 i see Jun 23 15:42:03 XorA|gone: So I don't have to pjone .tw's office, I can just pester you :) Jun 23 15:42:30 xming: well mine is a beta one doesnt quiet work Jun 23 15:43:43 well just some questions, do you think that the possibility to get one in .tw (during the whole July) is big? Jun 23 15:44:11 xming: I really dont know how they are being distributed down there Jun 23 15:44:18 and can I increase my chance by pestering your colleagues? Jun 23 15:44:48 most likely, or emailing community Jun 23 15:45:52 mailing to the ML will get their attention for such a request? Jun 23 15:46:13 should do Jun 23 15:46:36 hmm, time to subscribe then thanks for the tips Jun 23 15:47:46 Hello Jun 23 15:48:02 hi there Jun 23 15:49:07 I'm not too savvy on phone technologies, namely international compatibility, but will the freerunner be able to work in Australia? Jun 23 15:49:35 FacelessJ: should do, rwhitby live that end of the world Jun 23 15:49:59 Awesome Jun 23 15:51:14 tri-band should cover most part of the world except US IIRC Jun 23 15:52:51 the new iPhone is so atractive, grrrr, only if it ran Linux and w/o all the restrictions Jun 23 15:53:27 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r048f672f7ed2 10/ (TODO framework/controller.py): controller: allow choosing which subsystems to launch via command line Jun 23 15:56:39 <`pwgen`> mickeyl: ping Jun 23 15:58:23 I was just reading about the CAD design files for the phone in this article (http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/03/design-your-own.html). How will one go about this? Do they contact some manufacturing company to create the new case, or do you send the designs along with your request to buy the phone? Jun 23 16:00:05 Basically - you can't. Jun 23 16:00:08 Well - ... Jun 23 16:00:32 Option A) - pay $20K-50K or so to get a mould made, and then you can crank them out by the thousands. Jun 23 16:00:57 B) make them out of rapid prototyping stuff and double the thickness. Jun 23 16:01:09 C) Manufacture from solid aluminium or something. Jun 23 16:01:23 Ahk. Well thankfully the phone looks good anyways. :p Jun 23 16:01:28 solid stainless steel case would rock :-) Jun 23 16:01:37 but I supect make having gsm pointless Jun 23 16:01:38 <`pwgen`> titanium .. Jun 23 16:01:47 I want damasteel. Jun 23 16:01:54 <`pwgen`> *G* Jun 23 16:02:12 http://www.crandart.co.uk/damasteel.htm Jun 23 16:02:22 lol, if you wanna make it pointless, make it a faraday case. >_> Jun 23 16:03:18 <`pwgen`> then you need an electricity ground Jun 23 16:03:30 but it is already "pointless" now :p Jun 23 16:05:02 or do you see anything sharp point out? Jun 23 16:08:04 Well, thanks for answering my questions. I should go get some sleep now. Jun 23 16:10:10 `pwgen`: pöng Jun 23 16:13:47 <`pwgen`> ahh: some qustion: if i initiate a sleep by presseing the bottom power button the zphone will go sleep, if i awake it with the same button, it will go direct to sleepmode after awakening Jun 23 16:14:24 <`pwgen`> are threre some keyevents in eventqeue ? Jun 23 16:17:36 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * re66223cb08aa 10/odeviced/ (4 files in 4 dirs): added rtc plugin Jun 23 16:19:12 `pwgen`: possibly, although http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=zhone.git;a=commitdiff;h=3674953cb0ea13efe9fe3e2f1de1a6d33d37fe14 should theoretically have fixed this. can you check whether this diff is in your version? Jun 23 16:19:30 bbiab, need to grab a cofee Jun 23 16:21:17 <`pwgen`> i used the "official" build from 17.06.2008 , and i get very impressed ... Jun 23 16:21:35 `pwgen`: Official build of... bread-n-butter? Jun 23 16:21:53 <`pwgen`> fso-image - zhone Jun 23 16:22:24 That is the same as bread-n-butter, right? Milestone 1, Mickey's group's stuff? Jun 23 16:22:57 <`pwgen`> maybe for now the only good working phone Jun 23 16:23:18 The phone is stable? Jun 23 16:23:35 <`pwgen`> but with no support for mmc card ... missing /dev entryies Jun 23 16:24:10 :-/ Jun 23 16:24:28 <`pwgen`> after i found out that awakening with the power button won't work ... i think it,s .. working "?" Jun 23 16:24:28 That's a general issue, not just incompatibility with your card? Jun 23 16:24:57 <`pwgen`> but the same kernel can boot from sd card ... strange thing .. Jun 23 16:25:10 I'm wondering if I can get suspend/resume working 100% with zhone + mwester's kernel Jun 23 16:27:02 <`pwgen`> i did not get the awakening by call working with my images , but that seemes to be fixed in zhone( milestone1 ) Jun 23 16:27:52 <`pwgen`> i am useing uImage-2.6.24-rc8+git2+421ed0bdd5b468d9de3ba571f49e7b840a8032e3-r1-om-gta0 and will now try my self-compiled-fso-image Jun 23 16:28:23 ah Jun 23 16:28:36 I see notes in Status_Update_1 that SMS dbus interface is working Jun 23 16:28:43 hello Jun 23 16:28:46 Is there an SMS UI in Milestone 1? Jun 23 16:28:48 hi Jun 23 16:29:34 <`pwgen`> i have not seen one. ask mikeyl if he had got enought coffee and is back. Jun 23 16:30:12 <`pwgen`> but there is a dbus interface to the rtc clock .... Jun 23 16:30:38 I have a question about ASU: am I right in thinking that it's almost the same as OM2007.2 with a new interface ? Jun 23 16:30:52 ie. same framework, more or less Jun 23 16:31:14 lukhas_lap: I would say, not really... Jun 23 16:31:36 I thought ASU is supposed to use Qtopia dialer (qt running under X11) as the primary dialer app Jun 23 16:31:43 ok Jun 23 16:31:48 And that's a totally different stack than 2007.2 Jun 23 16:31:53 ah Jun 23 16:32:04 The /sys devices will be the same, and from what I've heard that's about it Jun 23 16:32:10 so I was wrong Jun 23 16:32:16 good thing I asked Jun 23 16:32:22 You can install 2007.2 apps on ASU Jun 23 16:32:31 that's the part I got :) Jun 23 16:32:52 is there a link where all this is explained? Jun 23 16:33:01 I haven't used ASU, so I may not be the best person to answer :-) Jun 23 16:33:11 apart from 500 mails on the community ML Jun 23 16:33:50 I dunno, maybe this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Feature_Plan Jun 23 16:35:25 hmm, there is not much on this page :) Jun 23 16:35:39 thanks anyway, I'll continue my digging on the ML archives Jun 23 16:49:38 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r50f582897a6f 10/odeviced/src/plugins/rtc/ (22 files in 3 dirs): add GetCurrentTime to rtc Jun 23 16:49:39 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r66a36b4e8e34 10/odeviced/src/plugins/rtc/ (22 files in 3 dirs): Jun 23 16:49:39 freesmartphone.org: Revert "add GetCurrentTime to rtc" Jun 23 16:49:39 freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit 50f582897a6f423a99d04a3626d584d2baa225c2. Jun 23 16:49:39 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r13ef3edf9a77 10/odeviced/src/plugins/rtc/ (Makefile.am rtc.c rtc.h rtc.plugin rtc.vala): add rtc plugin for real :D Jun 23 17:02:10 hello folks :) Jun 23 17:03:32 hai Jun 23 17:04:57 hey Jun 23 17:06:06 is The Gadget coming down a production line yet ? Jun 23 17:09:05 openmoko: 03zecke * r0f0db2454788 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [gsm] Do not create a new call when a %CPI/CRING arrives during local hangup Jun 23 17:15:40 /msg NickServ identify henry Jun 23 17:17:18 That damn spacebar.. Jun 23 17:18:17 lol Jun 23 17:18:19 production line, yes. Available for purchase, no. Jun 23 17:18:50 CM does it matter? Jun 23 17:19:22 webjames: Nope ;) Jun 23 17:19:45 Unless someone wants to be an ass about your nick Jun 23 17:20:34 webjames: You should know that the archives for this list are kept available over the web... eventually someone probably will want to be an ass about your nick Jun 23 17:21:05 how do i change my password then? Jun 23 17:21:34 ask nickserv for 'help' Jun 23 17:24:48 syntax is SETPASS what is key? Jun 23 17:25:12 i guess the old pass Jun 23 17:26:13 nope not that Jun 23 17:27:04 /msg nickserv help setpass Jun 23 17:28:02 (key is a key that gets emailed to you - if you already know the password, use "set password" instead.) Jun 23 17:29:13 .wav and .mp3@svn? why not clearly using ogg? :) Jun 23 17:29:21 Qwell, thanks all done Jun 23 17:45:35 does anyone know how to get a terminal with qemu? Jun 23 17:45:55 zlfita: Are you running a 2007.2 release? Jun 23 17:46:20 It shouldn't matter that you're on qemu; you get a terminal the same way on a device Jun 23 17:50:39 and how's that Jun 23 17:50:57 i have two versions of qemu, both from automated scripts Jun 23 17:52:49 zlfita: Without knowing what release you're running, I can't tell you Jun 23 17:52:59 There is no terminal in ASU per the wiki Jun 23 17:53:09 Or, at least, the wiki includes a terminal on the ASU as a 'todo' Jun 23 17:53:34 In 2007.2, you click the + at the bottom of the home screen, then select Applications from the drop-down at the top of the screen Jun 23 17:53:35 I do hope it'll suck slightly less than the om2 one when they get around to it Jun 23 17:53:54 Then click the bottom of the list & drag up, then release, to scroll down to where 'terminal' is, then click it Jun 23 17:54:17 mjr: terminal didn't seem too awful about 2 months ago Jun 23 17:54:50 you mean it didn't, like, lack basic vt100 functionality? Jun 23 17:54:50 Now backspace & arrowing around break the display, and it does something weird with lines that are too long Jun 23 17:55:05 oh, it's regressed then Jun 23 17:55:09 yep Jun 23 17:55:14 I didn't hit the sweet spot Jun 23 17:55:46 I hit the sweet spot, then missed the memo that 2007.2 was all fucked up, and updated to crap :-( Jun 23 17:56:21 mjr: If you grab an image from 4/30 or before, it should have a good terminal Jun 23 17:56:29 One of kdean's tested images Jun 23 17:56:33 how do I get 2007.2 version? Jun 23 17:56:51 oh, from the gits repo Jun 23 17:57:06 zlfita: or you can dfu install one of the images into qemu Jun 23 17:57:25 I know where to get the images, but not how to install into qemu, since I never use qemu Jun 23 17:57:31 but how to install should be on the wiki Jun 23 17:57:40 ok, where is the image? Jun 23 17:58:32 Read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Snapshot_review/2008-05-07 Jun 23 17:59:12 tahnks Jun 23 18:02:34 what is the current situation about GSM system Jun 23 18:02:48 i want to be able to use my freerunner as my primary phone Jun 23 18:04:29 zlfita: There was a time between March & April that we could use the 2007.2 release as a primary phone Jun 23 18:04:48 Now the gsm falls down (with no symptoms) after 4 or 5 hours Jun 23 18:05:01 I hear that the zhone Milestone 1 release has stable phone capability Jun 23 18:05:06 but unfortunately not much else Jun 23 18:05:27 I believe raw Qtopia releases have good phone support, as well as media player Jun 23 18:05:51 But I dunno where to get a good Qtopia release, since they're having some sort of licensing issue and took down their repositories Jun 23 18:06:03 o.O\ Jun 23 18:06:05 wurp2: soon Jun 23 18:06:12 ljp: thx :-) Jun 23 18:06:46 I have used the gta01 as my primary phone for about 6 months Jun 23 18:06:51 I just miss a lot of calls :-/ Jun 23 18:06:54 hehe Jun 23 18:07:08 becaus eof Qtopia? Jun 23 18:07:16 ljp: Nope Jun 23 18:07:29 ljp: I have been running on 2007.2 that whole time Jun 23 18:07:47 Qtopia didn't have a terminal before Jun 23 18:08:04 which was important to me - I also wanted to help OM debug Jun 23 18:10:06 ok. you had me worried for a bit Jun 23 18:17:48 seems i'll be walking with two phones for a while, each of which are a bit unreliable Jun 23 18:19:44 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * rfcc9ffea981e 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: Jun 23 18:19:44 freesmartphone.org: odeviced/kernel26: change GetChargingPercentage to GetEnergyPercentage. Jun 23 18:19:44 freesmartphone.org: Patch by Sudharshan S, thanks! Jun 23 18:20:55 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r7dfd5ee4081e 10/src/zhone: Jun 23 18:20:55 freesmartphone.org: zhone: API catch up: change GetChargingPercentage to GetEnergyPercentage. Jun 23 18:20:55 freesmartphone.org: Patch by Sudharshan S, thanks! Jun 23 18:22:55 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * rb59ce615c1c8 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/main.py: odeviced/main: API change: List -> ListObjectsByInterface Jun 23 18:24:55 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * raae89bb45129 10/src/zhone: zhone: catch up with API change in framework: List -> ListObjectsByInterface Jun 23 18:25:43 wurp2: fso-image should be soon what you need to have a day-to-day phone Jun 23 18:25:50 i'm working hard to make it happen Jun 23 18:25:59 whole framework team, actually Jun 23 18:28:11 <`pwgen`> i am testing ... Jun 23 18:33:41 good Jun 23 18:33:52 i think with MS2 I'll publically call for tickets Jun 23 18:33:58 i.e. bugs Jun 23 18:34:00 <`pwgen`> mickeyl: there is no sd card Jun 23 18:34:30 ya, heard you saying that. odd Jun 23 18:34:41 i have no cards in my devices Jun 23 18:34:48 will insert one and retest Jun 23 18:34:49 <`pwgen`> an my oe build started lst nigh lacks frameworkd ophoned ... i had to build it manually Jun 23 18:35:07 brand new images only contain one daemon package Jun 23 18:35:12 frameworkd is the new super server Jun 23 18:35:23 but during transition all things are a bit rough Jun 23 18:35:24 :) Jun 23 18:36:16 <`pwgen`> i know .. i had to mtn pull every 2 minutes .(;-)) Jun 23 18:36:48 * mjr wonders if there'll be a non-transitional time at some point :] Jun 23 18:37:19 hehhe there's kobo deluxe Jun 23 18:37:20 mjr: Hehe.. :P Jun 23 18:37:45 mickeyl, ah i almost forgot to ask this, is there some sort of feed that will build me the latest images off the git? Jun 23 18:38:01 <`pwgen`> but i wonder , that i can boot with the fso kernel my sd-card-image so its capable finding the sd device Jun 23 18:39:37 <`pwgen`> mickeyl: where did you get the ringone ? Jun 23 18:40:07 Sup3rkiddo: you mean something prebuilt so you just have to opkg update? not yet, hopefully in a couple of weeks Jun 23 18:40:13 `pwgen`: high voltage sid collection Jun 23 18:40:18 it's Arkanoid from Martin Galway Jun 23 18:42:02 mickeyl, na, i was hoping to add some stuff to the makefile and expose an make fso-image for instance....so i guess i will use opkg update now Jun 23 18:42:05 *for now Jun 23 18:42:34 aah, mokomakefile Jun 23 18:42:40 i have to talk with rwhitby 'bout that Jun 23 18:42:49 if you're using straight OE, it's just Jun 23 18:42:51 bitbake fso-image Jun 23 18:43:09 with including moko-autorev and fso-autorev in local.conf Jun 23 18:43:22 oh!..thanks...that was what i was looking for Jun 23 18:43:37 milestones are for weenies :P Jun 23 18:43:40 hehe Jun 23 18:43:53 indeed, but be prepared that we break a lot of stuff during milestones Jun 23 18:43:58 s/during/in-between/ Jun 23 18:43:58 mickeyl meant: indeed, but be prepared that we break a lot of stuff in-between milestones Jun 23 18:44:11 acknowledged Jun 23 18:46:20 of course, we try not to Jun 23 18:46:23 but it might happen :) Jun 23 18:47:14 yep yep, Jun 23 18:49:08 * mwester needed that info as well... Jun 23 18:49:27 Looking in the wrong place (OM repo) didn't help any! ;) Jun 23 18:50:27 ;) sorry, org.oe.dev only. i'm an upstream fanatic Jun 23 18:50:52 well, surely it gets merged into OM Jun 23 18:51:00 since they catch up with .dev once and then Jun 23 18:51:30 <`pwgen`> did someone audio recording of phone calls ? Jun 23 18:51:50 i'm told it should work, but i have yet to see a proof Jun 23 18:52:03 need to find a matching state file Jun 23 18:52:33 <`pwgen`> i thing it shoud be possible to do stereo recordin - left gsm - right micro Jun 23 18:52:48 <`pwgen`> python-pyalsa ... Jun 23 18:54:23 lol Jun 23 18:54:25 oh..its upstream...:/, i had been looking at the wrong place as well....didn want to make a fool of myself asking about it again..bleh Jun 23 18:58:52 ya, i see no reason to maintain it in Om right now Jun 23 18:59:08 i want to use it in HTC and EZX devices Jun 23 18:59:11 and a lot more as well Jun 23 18:59:20 (hopefully) Jun 23 18:59:32 ( well thats the whole point of an unified API :D ) Jun 23 18:59:52 righto Jun 23 19:09:29 ~spell chose Jun 23 19:09:31 'chose' may be spelled correctly Jun 23 19:09:35 ~spell choose Jun 23 19:09:36 'choose' may be spelled correctly Jun 23 19:09:39 hmm Jun 23 19:11:19 mickeyl: 'choose' is right :) Jun 23 19:11:49 ok Jun 23 19:11:52 chose is past tense? Jun 23 19:11:59 mickeyl: Verb: choose (chose,chosen) Jun 23 19:12:04 *nod* thanks Jun 23 19:21:03 Hi all, should the current ASU builds allow me to make phone calls? The dialer doesn't seem to come up. Jun 23 19:22:44 Oh, and I'm trying ASU on my GTA01. Jun 23 19:28:37 erko: No :-( Jun 23 19:29:05 erko: ScaredyCat's builds will let you, although the gsm still locks after some hours Jun 23 19:29:29 erko: And zhone aka the fso images should, but they don't have much other functionality Jun 23 19:29:39 ah, ok, too bad about the ASU. Jun 23 19:31:06 I'll try the zhone one -- hopefully phone calls will work well. Jun 23 19:33:15 hmm, this bug indicates it's a problem with the buildhost: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1431 Jun 23 19:34:44 wurp2, did you mean ScaredCat's qtopia builds work ok? Jun 23 19:34:51 (except for the locking) Jun 23 19:36:13 hmm anyone familiar with trac? Jun 23 19:36:20 can i have send updates to a list or IRC? Jun 23 19:36:26 like, ticket status changes Jun 23 19:37:34 mickeyl: we did it with Mantis, using a little IRC bot. Mantis just basically netcats something to a socket on the bot Jun 23 19:38:17 right Jun 23 19:38:32 that doesn't answer your question though :) Jun 23 19:39:22 if you wanted to mod trac to do something similar, I'm pretty sure the bot we used is open source. I could try to find out where that's stored. Jun 23 19:39:48 (assuming it doesn't already support it) Jun 23 19:40:05 erko: Nah, the 2007.2 builds Jun 23 19:41:12 erko: I think the specific one I tested is from 2008-06-11 Jun 23 19:41:23 (tested == am running right now) Jun 23 19:41:53 wurp2, ah, ok thanks Jun 23 19:43:09 You're welcome :-) Jun 23 19:44:52 `pwgen`: Recording a GSM call should be fairly easy. I'll try it tonight after work. Jun 23 19:47:40 what specific revision of hardware is shipping? Jun 23 19:47:47 should be, I'm hoping somebody else will deal with the mixer bother though ;) Jun 23 19:48:52 mmontour: thanks. please keep me in the loop Jun 23 19:52:09 <`pwgen`> mmontour: i have knowlege about the wm8753 from the zaurus c-1000/3200 Jun 23 19:54:09 <`pwgen`> but its more interesting to find out what alsamixer switches the wm mixer Jun 23 19:54:43 <`pwgen`> and write a python-dbus app to do more generic switching Jun 23 19:55:57 lets wrap http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/node/22 Jun 23 19:56:16 should be a simple cython thing Jun 23 19:57:52 btw the freerunner is being sold next month or did I understand that wrong? "Hey 4th of july sale! Sorry american bias. But I'd figure early july. Jun 23 19:57:53 " Jun 23 19:58:42 aka they talking about the freerunner or something else Jun 23 19:58:53 Yeah, I need to look at that scenario library. Haven't had time yet. Jun 23 19:59:18 Pjj: yes, that's the Freerunner/GTA02. Jun 23 20:00:30 <`pwgen`> scenario-lib sounds what i was thinking about ... Jun 23 20:00:57 <`pwgen`> *G* missing dbus interface Jun 23 20:02:56 <`pwgen`> mickeyl: scenario-lib already in OE ? Jun 23 20:03:00 sure Jun 23 20:03:05 bbiab Jun 23 20:07:56 ok thanks mmontour, can't wait to buy it :) Jun 23 20:35:14 does the freerunner ships with a sip client on it? (aka if you have wireless that you would use make a phone call using the internet instead of GSM?) Jun 23 20:43:59 Pjj: I don't think so .. but you can easily install one I guess Jun 23 20:44:42 yeah probably :) Jun 23 20:45:08 bkruse is working on an IAX2 client Jun 23 20:45:22 I think the plan is to eventually integrate it into the dialer. Jun 23 20:46:43 cool Jun 23 20:47:39 * russellb looks at Qwell Jun 23 20:47:53 O.o Jun 23 21:00:28 :( Jun 23 21:00:51 kuzgun: you see? we should integrate a telepathy client into the dialer. Jun 23 21:01:00 then it could be a SIP client, or an IAX2 client... Jun 23 21:01:08 telepathy? Jun 23 21:01:12 O.O Jun 23 21:01:16 anyone port tux paint to openmoko yet? ;) Jun 23 21:01:23 real-time communications framework Jun 23 21:01:27 telepathy.freedesktop.org Jun 23 21:01:32 some voip framework russellb Jun 23 21:01:41 abstracted API for talking to IM/VOIP/collaborative services Jun 23 21:01:43 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r8032e0ffd531 10/README: README++ Jun 23 21:02:37 so you don't need to integrate the dialer into lots of different stuff. in fact, your dialer could be purely a telepathy client and do all its call control (GSM too) via telepathy Jun 23 21:09:12 Robot101: so should separate IM and VoIP parts? Jun 23 21:09:36 kuzgun: yes, I think so. the dialler should be used for placing calls. Jun 23 21:09:42 I think it can be done Jun 23 21:10:09 the problem arises in IM part I think Jun 23 21:10:14 I can understand SMS might work differently to IM (although, not on an iphone, where they make SMS into chat basically), there are no real differences to make voip very different to cellular calls Jun 23 21:10:16 integrating VoIP into dialer is ok Jun 23 21:10:27 yeah you are right Jun 23 21:10:45 I'll try it I like that Jun 23 21:13:08 It seems to me that VoIP belongs behind the dbus api, and the dialer should use the dbus api Jun 23 21:13:42 telepathy is a dbus API Jun 23 21:14:05 http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/147411/report_google_faces_android_handset_delays.html Jun 23 21:14:10 this is great news for freerunner! Jun 23 21:14:24 true Jun 23 21:15:27 not that good of a news to be honest ... as the FreeRunner won't be consumer ready before 6-8 more months I guess Jun 23 21:15:44 so it doesn't make big difference I guess Jun 23 21:15:52 Robot101: Excellent, but then I would think we would want a faux api sitting in front of it, that exposes the ophoned interface and adapts it to either the normal ophoned implementation (for gsm) or telepathy (for VoIP) Jun 23 21:16:54 wurp2: why? telepathy is the abstraction - you could have a tiny adapter which exposed ophoned using the telepathy API Jun 23 21:18:34 Because a dialer app for the FR already exists that uses the ophoned interface Jun 23 21:18:48 So I would say the ophoned interface is the abstraction Jun 23 21:19:23 it would be nice to run a VoIP PBX on OM :) or even FoIP server :) Jun 23 21:19:34 You would just have to add a method to show what mechanism you are currently using to dial, and allow ppl to switch mechanisms Jun 23 21:19:35 right, but it's not anyone else's abstraction. if you present the telepathy API on top of the GSM functionality, other apps which use telepathy can also access the SMS/call/etc functionality Jun 23 21:19:49 Robot101: excellent point :-) Jun 23 21:20:04 that would be nice Jun 23 21:20:04 I was (well, am) not aware of what apps use telepathy now Jun 23 21:20:23 how you implement the dialer doesn't /really/ matter, it's OM specific so it can short-circuit the abstraction if it wants, but you're better off using the existing interfaces than inventing new ones Jun 23 21:20:36 I did say this already but I'm apparently not worth listening to :P Jun 23 21:20:51 I've been in & out of the room Jun 23 21:21:14 there are obviously certain GSM-specifics like fiddling with the SIM card and setting your SMS service centre or whatever Jun 23 21:21:23 which you can ignore telepathy for Jun 23 21:21:39 but it makes sense to use telepathy for the parts where msssaging/calling/presence overlap Jun 23 21:21:47 well, SMS service via HTTP/SMTP could be used for VoIP Jun 23 21:22:38 xming: or just SIMPLE over your existing authenticated SIP registration... ? :) Jun 23 21:23:14 Robot101: that is if your VoIP is SIP and your provider supports that Jun 23 21:23:14 Robot101: you're not quite familiar with SIP reality, are you ;) Jun 23 21:23:22 Robot101: I'm not sure I'm on board with using two different interfaces to access one piece of functionality Jun 23 21:23:42 Or is there a standard way to extend telepathy's API? Jun 23 21:25:35 wurp2: I missed the main point here the problem is using two apps on the same device for the same task where these apps are not aware of each other? Jun 23 21:26:33 russellb: I'm not too bad at SIP, and I've certainly worked with providers who do SMS<->SIMPLE gatewaying Jun 23 21:26:51 kuzgun: I'm assuming that we're using one end-user app for this functionality Jun 23 21:26:53 russellb: obviously that works best because you don't need to use anything outside the telepathy SIP backend to use SMS with those providers Jun 23 21:27:23 wurp2: its easy to extend the telepathy API with new interfaces, yes. but that's pretty much always true of d-bus APIs. Jun 23 21:28:07 kuzgun: I'm trying to figure out if it makes more sense to use an ophoned -> telepathy or telepathy -> ophoned Jun 23 21:28:11 adapter Jun 23 21:28:20 is the d-bus interface just for basic call signalling? Jun 23 21:28:52 telepathy? no. it can represent a lot of advancfunctionality, where available. Jun 23 21:29:01 i guess i meant, non-audio Jun 23 21:29:28 like messaging, presence, chats, collaborative applications, managing your contact lists Jun 23 21:34:55 g'night Jun 23 21:36:06 The telepathy interface looks awfully generic to use as your primary API for making phone calls Jun 23 21:41:08 look like it'll be quite a while before android materializes Jun 23 21:41:21 might give us some time to catch up :) Jun 23 21:48:26 Is there a known price range for the freerunner when they come out? like, 400-500, 700-800 ? Jun 23 21:48:38 399$ Jun 23 21:48:39 $399 Jun 23 21:49:02 oh hey cool Jun 23 21:49:04 not too bad :D Jun 23 21:50:29 we tricked him with our market plan .. muhaha Jun 23 21:50:35 399$ is not 400$ Jun 23 21:50:40 it's 399$ Jun 23 21:50:48 marketing* Jun 23 21:51:29 should be like wal-mart ... $396.94 Jun 23 21:51:33 lol Jun 23 21:51:58 I'm getting this instead of the iphone Jun 23 21:52:02 open = good :) Jun 23 21:55:01 have any of the .eu distributors made promises about actual prices (including taxes, shipping, the whole shebang) yet? Jun 23 21:56:15 heh, the trisoft page still estimates the freerunner coming out 'late may' :) Jun 23 21:56:33 hehe Jun 23 21:56:40 * raboof tosses a mail to info@trisoft.de Jun 23 21:56:45 a UK seller had put the end user price up Jun 23 21:57:16 "Due late " + (date.Month + 1).toString(); Jun 23 21:57:37 hehe Jun 23 21:58:05 https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=OpenMoko Jun 23 21:59:33 E342 - still a load of cash, but not bad :) Jun 23 22:06:19 The freerunner can make normal phone calls now right? I remember some prototype that couldn't do so, anything that is still missing atm or is every normal thing (like sms, phone calls etc) working now? Jun 23 22:08:38 Pjj, Yes it's capable of doing them, but "how capable" is a matter of the software you're running. Jun 23 22:09:12 I've finally got a stable ASU image what will hopefully let me do some serious, first hand testing. I'm quite excited to get home and flash it, actually. Jun 23 22:09:18 what about the default openmoko software ;) ? Jun 23 22:12:35 the thing I bassicly want to know, I'm not a programmer (although I know a tiny bit of C/Java) got some GNU/Linux experience, but would it be usuable as a normal phone the freerunner (mostly the ability to make calls and sms etc) or not yet (with the default openmoko software). Jun 23 22:12:49 kdean06: Does the sofware also excist for gta01? Jun 23 22:13:55 Pjj, If you can handle a fair share of bugs in with really basic features, then yes, it can probably do what you want. It will improve over time as well. Jun 23 22:14:24 yeah and I'm kinda willing to help a bit out, report bugs in here etc, should be fun Jun 23 22:14:37 tobii_, And yes, though I have yet to actually test it yet. The ASU should work on the 1973, and I know that the 2007.2 line did at one point. :) Jun 23 22:14:40 To see the software improve etc Jun 23 22:15:48 thanks for the reply btw kdean06 Jun 23 22:15:55 kdean06: talk to me if it works fine Jun 23 22:15:56 ;D Jun 23 22:16:13 No problem. Jun 23 23:11:00 hello,is there a channel for phones issues?: i've an old phone and i'd like to get its sms and infos(such as the phones numbers) so i've ran an at command: AT+CMGL but i have mysterious hexadecimal numbers...shouldn't it output in the sms in clear text? Jun 23 23:11:17 or should i find the encoding? Jun 23 23:11:20 gnutoo_: no, its a "PDU" Jun 23 23:14:54 emdete, ok thanks...so how do i read the sms?(the others commands fails such as AT+CMGR="1" fails) Jun 23 23:19:11 emdete, i think i'll look at programs that already do the decoding... Jun 23 23:21:07 gnutoo_: His http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=pyneo.git;a=blob;f=pyneod/pygsm/genericmodem.py;h=bfedaedbb04ef4b6a2e3b6396cf4d92c251499a1;hb=HEAD for example Jun 23 23:22:04 abraxa_, wow thanks a lot ... Jun 23 23:22:33 We wrote it, not I hehe Jun 24 00:47:05 is a pen+holder included? Jun 24 00:53:58 Since the topic now says August Software Update I guess the April Software Update was finally released? Or did we just rename it? :) Jun 24 00:54:32 wth Jun 24 00:59:07 Renamed to reflect something closer to reality. Jun 24 01:08:50 reality.. whussdat Jun 24 01:09:28 what steve jobs breaks Jun 24 02:21:19 heh, August Software Update now Jun 24 02:41:27 openmoko: 03zecke * r62a23cb29ab5 10/src/libraries/qtopiaphonemodem/qmodemcallprovider.cpp: [gsm] Correct the "API" description. Jun 24 02:41:46 ugh... Palm centrino is seducing me. damnit.... Jun 24 02:41:53 me too Jun 24 02:41:55 maybe I can get both... Jun 24 02:42:05 I'm not buying FreeRunner, can't afford it Jun 24 02:42:06 heh, glad I'm not the only one. Jun 24 02:42:20 s/afford/justify/ Jun 24 02:42:20 summatusmentis meant: I'm not buying FreeRunner, can't justify it Jun 24 02:42:23 gsm doesn't work Jun 24 02:44:14 summatusmentis: gsm doesn't work on what? Jun 24 02:45:32 bipolar: doesn't work where I need it Jun 24 02:45:52 oh, gsm coverage is bad? Jun 24 02:46:10 thast would make it kindof useless to you, yeah. :P Jun 24 02:46:13 yeah... I live in the boonies :) Jun 24 02:58:29 i wanna openmoko!!! it looks sweeeeeeeeeet! Jun 24 02:58:59 pooooop on my cheeeesst!!! Jun 24 02:59:30 w .. t .. f Jun 24 02:59:52 pretty preez? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 24 02:59:56 2008