**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 26 02:59:57 2008 Jun 26 04:06:46 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r1a6053296d87 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [glamo] Put OE patches "upstream" and additonal keyboard fixes Jun 26 04:06:46 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4152e1b84389 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade xglamo, it got a fix for extended keycodes. Jun 26 04:06:47 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4fbbfd6a73da 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up to 116 for illume - new config defaults for aux btn Jun 26 04:06:48 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8d1ae0593c19 10/packages/connman/connman_git.bb: [connman] Make sure that connman gets started, do that after dbus is running Jun 26 04:06:50 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra005ee0d27f3 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] Use the gcc options that Trolltech might used for their gta01 build Jun 26 04:06:53 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r65440364c2bb 10/packages/openmoko-projects/exposure_svn.bb: [exposure] Marek needs python-edbus for exposure. Jun 26 04:06:56 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rba3ef03acbea 10/packages/openmoko-projects/exposure_svn.bb: [srcrev] Upgrade exposure to be launchable again Jun 26 04:35:18 Is suspend/resume working yet? Jun 26 04:35:36 on either GTA01Bv4 or Freerunner? Jun 26 04:35:43 it is Jun 26 04:35:52 on bi'oth Jun 26 04:35:57 *both Jun 26 04:38:48 oh, even with wakeups from phone calls? Jun 26 04:39:03 sometimes Jun 26 04:39:47 huh :/ Jun 26 04:40:05 balrog-kun, dont scare him ;) Jun 26 04:40:58 i hear some images wake up fine in 100% cases Jun 26 04:41:11 and other versions in less % ;) Jun 26 04:41:16 and other in 0% Jun 26 04:54:44 thanks, guys. :) Jun 26 04:54:58 I'll wait a bit longer before I try resurrecting my GTA01Bv4. Jun 26 05:01:14 openmoko: 03werner * r4502 10/developers/werner/greg/ (19 files in 2 dirs): Jun 26 05:01:14 openmoko: greg is a processor for register definitions. It can be used to pretty-print Jun 26 05:01:14 openmoko: register dumps. Work in progress. Jun 26 05:04:45 orospakr, lol you have a gta01 UNUSED Jun 26 05:04:51 what a waste! Jun 26 05:05:31 he don't deserve it! Jun 26 05:05:35 * balrog-kun points with a finger Jun 26 05:06:13 imagine: with all those wasted neos we probably could build a BEOWULF CLUSTER :D Jun 26 05:06:28 (and play crysis on it ^^) Jun 26 05:06:45 mindblowing Jun 26 05:06:52 such an opportunity wasted Jun 26 05:08:01 is crysis some ascii art game? Jun 26 05:08:10 my distro doesn't have it in packages :( Jun 26 05:17:57 so anyone alive in here? Jun 26 05:18:33 Does anyone happen to know how many programmers are actually employed (paid!) by Openmoko? Jun 26 05:18:50 Railer: I'm alive, but clueless. Jun 26 05:19:05 cool Jun 26 05:19:19 sdk anywhere? Jun 26 05:19:57 must port nethack! Jun 26 05:19:58 Railer: By that what to you mean? Are you asking if there is an Openmoko sdk? Jun 26 05:20:17 yes an emulator Jun 26 05:20:34 Yes there is. Jun 26 05:20:40 i'm sure someone ran nethack already :) Jun 26 05:20:44 it might be in packages even Jun 26 05:21:26 any linux system first port must ALWAYS be nethack Jun 26 05:21:54 *agree* Jun 26 05:21:58 there's no way around Jun 26 05:22:30 (at least in OE there is a package for sure) Jun 26 05:23:00 josch, surely you can't be *that* surprised. I'm not doing any dev for it, and suspend hasn't really worked. Jun 26 05:23:00 have to go look Jun 26 05:24:06 orospakr: it hasn't worked because you haven't been doing any dev :p Jun 26 05:24:13 hah! Jun 26 05:24:26 * orospakr is strictly user-space, these days. Jun 26 05:24:45 my only foray into kernel space involved UML and ended badly. Jun 26 05:25:01 I must say once in my life "No I can't take that call, I'm taming cockatrice!" Jun 26 05:25:43 orospakr: ok, i don't want to hear the details :) Jun 26 05:25:50 the bloody details Jun 26 05:27:07 rtm: 3.1235321 Jun 26 05:27:14 so anyone guessing july? Jun 26 05:28:31 Railer: Lots of people seem to be guessing July 4th. Jun 26 05:28:58 well that's what the update on the board said from steve Jun 26 05:29:32 Oh, I didn't realize it was that official. Jun 26 05:30:06 shame they don't have time to repackage in rW & B flag for an independance day opening, massive us pr blitz Jun 26 05:30:42 bah Jun 26 05:31:42 I'm waiting for the Gitmo commemorative edition. Jun 26 05:33:37 I'm not saying it would go well in denmark, but the us would like it and hit home the free your phone motif Jun 26 05:34:09 where are they manufactured? Jun 26 05:34:11 They could replace the vibrator with a stun gun. Jun 26 05:34:36 Railer: Mainland China, I think, near Shanghai. Jun 26 05:34:48 denmark? Jun 26 05:35:10 it would not go well anywhere except the us Jun 26 05:35:20 well you get my point Jun 26 05:36:10 when building a package in moko with autotools, getiing an error like this " no rule to make target install". can anyone help me resolving this error? Jun 26 05:36:20 near shanghai just take the left turn behind the gas station and it's right there Jun 26 05:36:24 how long do you think it will be when cell companies start banning the phone? Jun 26 05:37:39 I'm more interested in when they go back to beeing dumb pipes Jun 26 05:37:52 Railer: why should them ban it? Jun 26 05:38:47 mudyc: The cell companies want control over VOIP, etc. Jun 26 05:38:51 why? because it has wifi/voip abilities Jun 26 05:38:51 mudyc: probably due to telecos evilness Jun 26 05:38:56 not sure why people think july 4 Jun 26 05:39:16 thats such a USA-centric way of thinking Jun 26 05:39:17 telecos douch-bageness Jun 26 05:39:28 Om as a company is very un-USA Jun 26 05:39:55 most of the p[eople working for om are from ousdie the usa and/or live/work outside the usa. Jun 26 05:40:07 I doubt very much july 4, my guess is july 25 ish Jun 26 05:40:23 Speaking of which - will the 850 MHz version be immediately available when the store opens? Jun 26 05:40:40 we mostly dont care one way or another for july 4th. Jun 26 05:40:41 :) Jun 26 05:40:51 its a non-event to us Jun 26 05:41:02 rtm: should be Jun 26 05:41:04 i think Jun 26 05:41:14 raster: Goodie! Jun 26 05:41:52 it has a cam? I forget Jun 26 05:42:00 no Jun 26 05:42:07 Railer: Not this version. Jun 26 05:43:04 bummer Jun 26 05:43:33 Railer: There is some speculation that a camera will be added to the next model. Jun 26 05:46:20 wifi/gps = sniffer tech is a must Jun 26 05:47:34 tired of driving around with my laptop Jun 26 05:48:08 driving .. Jun 26 05:48:27 :D Jun 26 05:48:44 new fingers... Jun 26 05:49:07 i think someone said that the wifi-chip wont do monitor mode Jun 26 05:49:29 openmoko: 03werner * r4503 10/developers/werner/greg/tests/value: - tests/value: forgot to check result in one test case Jun 26 05:50:31 in theory it's a software limitation Jun 26 05:50:50 but it's at the level of lack of information where it's much like a hardware issue :) Jun 26 05:52:24 anyone from canada? Jun 26 05:53:17 Yes, Vancouver. Jun 26 05:53:33 I am, when traveling outside the US. Jun 26 05:53:49 haha Jun 26 05:53:56 Edmonton Jun 26 05:55:04 so anyone signed up for group purchasing? hows that work? is anyone one person per group organizing or emailing everyone else? Jun 26 05:56:00 Railer: Groups tend to form by modifying the GroupSales wiki page. Jun 26 05:56:30 Then they email each other, and find out who's actually willing to place the order. Jun 26 05:57:04 will there be deposits? cash? delivery party? Jun 26 05:57:36 Our group has required a $100 deposit. Jun 26 05:58:03 We'll probably have a delivery party. Jun 26 05:58:14 That sounds right Jun 26 05:58:55 We decided not to mess with PayPal, etc. Cash or check. Jun 26 05:59:00 OMG ok no nethack project but a sudoku project, head should role Jun 26 06:03:52 oh one more project, must convert to star trek lcars Jun 26 06:06:27 Railer: What's an lcar? Jun 26 06:07:24 the style Jun 26 06:07:26 http://www.aerodrome.us/images/lcars.png Jun 26 06:08:04 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCARS Jun 26 06:08:14 Library Computer Access and Retrieval System Jun 26 06:09:10 what are you a jedi? Jun 26 06:11:21 http://www.snarkbait.com/dave/phone2.jpg Jun 26 06:11:24 I only bonded with The Original Series. Jun 26 06:12:00 loook at the last link Jun 26 06:13:44 hepaajan: when building a package in moko with autotools, getiing an error like this " no rule to make target install". can you help me resolving this error? Jun 26 06:16:25 kvk: do you normally run 'make install' when building that package? Jun 26 06:17:19 If the package's Makefile doesn't have an 'install' target you may have to write a custom do_install() function Jun 26 06:17:51 morning Jun 26 06:20:05 evening Jun 26 06:20:26 mmontour, we are using autotools method, then i think there is no need of using custom do_install () function Jun 26 06:21:18 kvk: Are all the steps before 'install' successful? Jun 26 06:21:49 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r85476d7706a5 10/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add python-pyalsaaudio, support for the Linux 2.6.x ALSA Sound System Jun 26 06:21:49 openmoko: 03jluebbe 07org.openembedded.dev * r8e1c072606a5 10/packages/images/fso-image.bb: fso-image: include python-oeventd Jun 26 06:21:50 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * re99961aeac9a 10/packages/gcc/ (4 files in 2 dirs): gcc 4.3.1: fix NEON ice: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=36500 Jun 26 06:21:50 openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openembedded.dev * r501cfa142f6a 10/packages/freetype/ (freetype-native_2.3.6.bb freetype_2.3.6.bb): freetype: update to version 2.3.6 Jun 26 06:21:53 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r7b7b59cf1b56 10/packages/libmikmod/ (libmikmod/m4.patch libmikmod_3.1.12.bb): libmikmod 3.1.12 bring back m4 patch to improve compatibility with more systems (thanks Jeremy) Jun 26 06:21:57 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r02c85e4237fc 10/packages/ (4 files in 4 dirs): merge of 'a6e949d7541dc3ab2d5697151c861cfd4a2efa87' Jun 26 06:22:00 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r28f4d15758d9 10/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add python-pyalsa, (another) alsa support package for python Jun 26 06:22:02 mmontour: yes Jun 26 06:22:03 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * rb63607ab80bb 10/packages/ (3 files in 2 dirs): python-etk git sanitize recipe and add to task-python-efl[-examples] Jun 26 06:22:12 openmoko: 03likewise 07org.openembedded.dev * rafb0ec2b4ee2 10/packages/rt-tests/rt-tests_0.21.bb: rt-tests: Fix detection of executables in do_install(). Jun 26 06:22:15 openmoko: 03likewise 07org.openembedded.dev * rda113caaf38d 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): linux-rt-2.6.25: Enable hrtimers, dyntick and -rt latency tracing for EFIKA. Jun 26 06:22:18 openmoko: 03oe 07org.openembedded.dev * r6d9077ba8991 10/ (33 files in 16 dirs): merge of '416f841049c84e97f18fad677688af32cbc68636' Jun 26 06:22:21 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r949de3a24b4e 10/packages/libmodplug/ (libmodplug_0.7.bb libmodplug_0.8.bb): libmodplug 0.7 update to 0.8 Jun 26 06:22:24 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * re5a8506c7e7d 10/packages/ (libmodplug/libmodplug_0.8.bb modplugplay/modplugplay_1.0.bb): modplugplay 1.0 compile w/ newer gccs Jun 26 06:22:27 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r80f5de15005e 10/packages/lasertraq/ (.mtn2git_empty lasertraq.inc traqconfig_0.8.bb): traqconfig: add configapplication of the lasertraq suite Jun 26 06:22:40 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r3b4317c3c81b 10/packages/linux/ (4 files in 2 dirs): linux-omap2 git: bump SRCREV and remove patches that are upstream now Jun 26 06:22:43 openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openembedded.dev * r37a45f37639c 10/packages/libosip2/libosip2_3.1.0.bb: libosip2: add libosip2 version 3.1.0 Jun 26 06:22:46 openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openembedded.dev * r671b3c85ea99 10/packages/libexosip2/libexosip2_3.1.0.bb: libexosip2: add libexosip2 version 3.1.0 Jun 26 06:22:49 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r21564633ec73 10/packages/images/fso-image.bb: fso-image: ship sounds, add info 'bout state files Jun 26 06:22:52 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r701545314eca 10/packages/freesmartphone/fso-sounds.bb: add fso-sounds, notification sounds for the freesmartphone image Jun 26 06:22:55 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r806aeaaceea4 10/packages/gcc/ (2 files): gcc-cross-kernel: add 4.2.4 and csl-2007q3 Jun 26 06:23:06 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * rd52c8b146ec7 10/conf/distro/angstrom-2008.1.conf: angstrom 2008: use gcc 4.3.1 for armv7a now that NEON works, use a seperate gcc (sadly a CSL one) for kernels Jun 26 06:23:09 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r51a478bcf44a 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): omap3evm: add omap3evm machine and make linux-omap2 kernel the default for that. Based on work from Steve Sakoman Jun 26 06:23:12 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * rffbed654f5f0 10/conf/distro/angstrom-2008.1.conf: angstrom 2008: remove bogus preferred version Jun 26 06:23:15 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * rb23b3974a5d2 10/packages/linux/ (16 files in 3 dirs): linux-omap2 git: update evm defconfig (thanks Steve!), clean up beagle patch dir, apply smartreflex and cpuidle patches to evm as well Jun 26 06:23:19 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r4de6e1f702e4 10/packages/python/ (2 files in 2 dirs): python-gst 0.10.10 do not require pygtk, gobject is really all it needs Jun 26 06:23:32 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r4a1435517f3b 10/packages/freetype/ (3 files in 2 dirs): freetype 2.3.6 fix it Jun 26 06:23:35 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * ra05545c9ebac 10/ (19 files in 5 dirs): merge of 'adb71bd42c308e5f50a18441883b2051173f9cd2' Jun 26 06:23:38 openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openembedded.dev * r2d379e77010e 10/packages/imagemagick/imagemagick_6.3.5-10.bb: imagemagick: don't call libtoolize for imagemagick, it doesn't work Jun 26 06:23:41 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r6f354297438a 10/packages/aspell/aspell_0.60.6.bb: aspell: add 0.60.6, fixes compile errors with gcc 4.3.x Jun 26 06:23:44 (107 lines omitted) Jun 26 06:23:46 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r849bd1a23933 10/packages/freesmartphone/ (zhone/80zhone zhone_git.bb): zhone: debug to /tmp/zhone.log for now, fix PACKAGE_ARCH Jun 26 06:23:48 kvk: what package are you trying to build? Jun 26 06:23:59 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r8a30b4af281d 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: preferred-om-versions: prefer pulseaudio 0.9.10 Jun 26 06:24:02 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * rdd2bc6db30e1 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: opkg[-native|-sdk]: prefere revision 4488. should fix the segfault w/ unsigned repositories Jun 26 06:24:02 kvk: then I don't know what your problem is. Maybe there's something else in the log? Jun 26 06:24:05 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r3095c8e92f3b 10/packages/libpcre/libpcre_7.6.bb: libpcre: fix builds with libtool 2.2.4 Jun 26 06:24:08 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * rcb2eb303f314 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): sane-srcrevs: bump opkg*, mplayer and packagekit Jun 26 06:24:11 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * rbeb675241afd 10/packages/linux/linux-omap2-git/beagleboard/defconfig: linux omap2 git: disable DEBUG_LL for beagleboard Jun 26 06:24:16 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * rb328f3d9aec0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sanesrcrevs: wind back opkg-native to 4452. opkg works find on the target, opkg-native fails with locking problems Jun 26 06:24:27 openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openembedded.dev * rcb5df50afd69 10/packages/meta/slugos-packages.bb: Slugos Package Feeds: drop linphone and spandsp to the broken list. Jun 26 06:24:30 openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openembedded.dev * rad3f59f3ca05 10/packages/meta/slugos-packages.bb: SlugOS Package Feeds - demote yeaphone, as it's dependent upon the broken linphone Jun 26 06:24:33 openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openembedded.dev * r495ef318bf96 10/packages/meta/slugos-packages.bb: SlugOS Package Feeds - Yet another demotion: postfix will not build (bb file error) Jun 26 06:24:36 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r52bf846493a6 10/packages/pulseaudio/pulseaudio-alsa-wrapper.bb: pulseaudio alsa wrapper: add more modules Jun 26 06:24:41 openmoko: 03dirk 07org.openembedded.dev * r58e40ff9f9d2 10/classes/insane.bbclass: insane.bbclass: add linux-gnuspe as valid target Jun 26 06:24:52 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * rdb443a667324 10/conf/machine/hx4700.conf: hx4700: append jffs2 to fstypes Jun 26 06:24:55 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openembedded.dev * r69e41fac6f68 10/packages/mozilla/ (11 files in 2 dirs): firefox_2.0.0.14+3.0rc1.bb : first stab at firefox 3 recipe Jun 26 06:24:57 what's wrong? Jun 26 06:24:58 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openembedded.dev * r7e3fe0e4f6fd 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): merge of '02ce8fba2c16b03770277a744efebc4f9c0f7f47' Jun 26 06:25:01 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r5fc98c63b907 10/conf/distro/include/ (preferred-om-2008-versions.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): merge of '1ca4c522d6f876b0f973239befedba5f6ad6ab07' Jun 26 06:25:06 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openembedded.dev * r96c1ff8e34d6 10/conf/distro/include/ (preferred-om-2008-versions.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): merge of '5f8c61f539e6f103dcfa53a341944eb1b46c96fe' Jun 26 06:25:11 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * re36867891de7 10/packages/freesmartphone/gsmd2_git.bb: gsmd2 git disable tests make it compile now Jun 26 06:25:14 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * re7789b03f4d5 10/packages/freesmartphone/gsmd2_git.bb: merge of '6d659ab83a5262d1e21010e8ef7628a905dfff84' Jun 26 06:25:19 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * rde87183359c9 10/conf/machine/ (om-gta01.conf om-gta02.conf): om-gta0[1|2]: allow local.conf to override PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel Jun 26 06:25:22 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r1941f4682240 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrev: wind back opkg-native to 4452 *again* Jun 26 06:25:29 openmoko: 03oe 07org.openembedded.dev * r16f9974b6075 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: merge of '2d0e7ded96559d4c71de1153762dd0879fa16697' Jun 26 06:25:34 (111 lines omitted) Jun 26 06:26:13 hepaajan: its our own package Jun 26 06:26:37 autofools! Jun 26 06:28:20 kvk: can you build it manually using ./configure && make && make install ? Jun 26 06:28:30 raster: what's your preferred building tool then?-) Jun 26 06:28:49 mudyc: i use autopoo Jun 26 06:28:58 but it doesnt mean i like it any little bit Jun 26 06:29:11 i've been meaning to investigate alternatives Jun 26 06:29:26 but i just have too much code depending on autosplat Jun 26 06:29:48 hepaajan: not manually, we are using autotools method Jun 26 06:30:01 like 60 or so projects Jun 26 06:30:13 sheer momentum means i'm unlikely to change Jun 26 06:30:21 but i validly get to complain about it Jun 26 06:30:22 anyone got any guess on delivery costs of a 10 pack to canada? Jun 26 06:30:28 because i actually use it so much Jun 26 06:30:34 and mostly use it properly Jun 26 06:30:53 * raster kicks autocrap for existing Jun 26 06:31:04 damn you autoblob! damn you all to heck! :) Jun 26 06:35:02 kvk: What do mean by autotools method? :) Jun 26 06:36:44 doc not sure yet have to figure out the customs from china on phones Jun 26 06:36:52 there's a default autofunk class in OE Jun 26 06:37:02 so if your project uses autoplop Jun 26 06:37:12 it knows just how to configure/setup and build it Jun 26 06:37:18 set up eenviornment variables etc. Jun 26 06:37:21 so a cross-compile works Jun 26 06:37:34 Railer: even a ball park figure? Jun 26 06:37:48 Railer: I'm thinking just delivery, not taxes Jun 26 06:37:49 Railer: if you get a 10 pack it will come from the .eu distribution center i think Jun 26 06:37:53 5% gst 7 to 12 for duty Jun 26 06:37:56 raster: even to canada? Jun 26 06:37:57 thats in amsterdam - i think Jun 26 06:38:07 Railer: gst + pst Jun 26 06:38:08 oh canada Jun 26 06:38:09 ? Jun 26 06:38:15 yes, oh canada :) Jun 26 06:38:19 then id'd come from the freemont distribution hub Jun 26 06:38:24 (california-eh) Jun 26 06:38:26 yeah, that's what I'm thinking Jun 26 06:38:33 it's where it's built that sets duty Jun 26 06:39:07 Railer: I'm getting money from people who are wiring it to me but I need to know how much to charge, I'm thinking 369 + gst + pst + delivery/10 Jun 26 06:39:16 but not sure about delivery :/ Jun 26 06:41:14 doc what prov? Jun 26 06:43:09 Railer: BC, you? Jun 26 06:43:14 awww Jun 26 06:43:17 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r1218f731b980 10/packages/python/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [python-etk] Adding patches to python-etk binding. Jun 26 06:43:22 well I would suggest a call to UPS for the info, or a customs broker, or customs canada and do it yourself Jun 26 06:43:27 Alberta Jun 26 06:44:03 Railer: yeah, but we don't know weight, dimensions, or even that they're actually using ups Jun 26 06:44:10 openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc73d6be3a83b 10/packages/openssl/ (openssl-0.9.8g/shared-libs.patch openssl_0.9.8g.bb): openssl_0.9.8g.bb: fix generation of shared libraries (use correct CC) Jun 26 06:44:10 openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc422d0a9443f 10/packages/openssl/ (7 files): openssl.inc: fix openssl 0.9.8 builds for x86 targets Jun 26 06:44:11 openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r13930440c290 10/packages/openssl/openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb: openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb: bring openssl-native in sync with latest openssl Jun 26 06:44:12 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb78f4ce2e2e7 10/packages/openssl/openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb: openssl-native: stop leaking target compile flags (FULL_OPTIMIZATION) into native build, it kills kittens. Jun 26 06:44:14 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r377a3fad9230 10/packages/openssl/ (openssl-native_0.9.7m.bb openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb): openssl-native: also fix 0.9.7m and def-pref -1 0.9.8 since it doesn't build Jun 26 06:44:17 openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r63b17bf5b40d 10/packages/openssl/ (openssl-native_0.9.7m.bb openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb): openssl-native_*.bb: do not export CFLAG, this is set by do_configure Jun 26 06:44:21 hepaajan: this is the method im using to build package in moko "http://rafb.net/p/SW526O62.html" Jun 26 06:44:22 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rdfaf715f1f92 10/packages/openssl/ (openssl-native_0.9.7m.bb openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb): disapproval of revision '462968658bdc2a3c48a8d634f9be59d450259f49' Jun 26 06:44:25 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5e6c4f4a431b 10/packages/openssl/ (openssl-native_0.9.7m.bb openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb): openssl-native: remove the CFLAG export, it isn't needed, contrary to my previous build attemps, so everything should work again (including generating vulnerable keys) Jun 26 06:44:31 openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra86ab98c5f25 10/packages/openssl/openssl.inc: openssl.inc: add definitions for mips/mipsel (Closes: #4268) Jun 26 06:44:34 openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd7356ca017e5 10/packages/openssl/ (3 files in 2 dirs): openssl_0.9.8g.bb: update debian.patch to fix ssl hole (Closes: #4266) Jun 26 06:45:15 ya my guess is it's a little early for the fine details, or even where it's coming from, maybe a seattle port for all we know Jun 26 06:45:26 openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r27d57686aa20 10/packages/openssl/ (openssl-0.9.8g/shared-libs.patch openssl_0.9.8g.bb): openssl_0.9.8g.bb: fix generation of shared libraries (use correct CC) Jun 26 06:45:28 openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * ra06a626008df 10/packages/openssl/ (7 files): openssl.inc: fix openssl 0.9.8 builds for x86 targets Jun 26 06:45:28 openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r183faa901591 10/packages/openssl/openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb: openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb: bring openssl-native in sync with latest openssl Jun 26 06:45:29 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rbd8c260da218 10/packages/openssl/openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb: openssl-native: stop leaking target compile flags (FULL_OPTIMIZATION) into native build, it kills kittens. Jun 26 06:45:31 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7a39fa93031e 10/packages/openssl/ (openssl-native_0.9.7m.bb openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb): openssl-native: also fix 0.9.7m and def-pref -1 0.9.8 since it doesn't build Jun 26 06:45:34 openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rb33251412e7e 10/packages/openssl/ (openssl-native_0.9.7m.bb openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb): openssl-native_*.bb: do not export CFLAG, this is set by do_configure Jun 26 06:45:37 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r1944f61928a0 10/packages/openssl/ (openssl-native_0.9.7m.bb openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb): disapproval of revision '462968658bdc2a3c48a8d634f9be59d450259f49' Jun 26 06:45:40 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r77f4b3b1e76c 10/packages/openssl/ (openssl-native_0.9.7m.bb openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb): openssl-native: remove the CFLAG export, it isn't needed, contrary to my previous build attemps, so everything should work again (including generating vulnerable keys) Jun 26 06:45:46 openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rf5e1438cd902 10/packages/openssl/openssl.inc: openssl.inc: add definitions for mips/mipsel (Closes: #4268) Jun 26 06:45:49 openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r56984226c187 10/packages/openssl/ (3 files in 2 dirs): openssl_0.9.8g.bb: update debian.patch to fix ssl hole (Closes: #4266) Jun 26 06:47:16 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rdb1c1eb2b79b 10/packages/python/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [python-etk] Adding patches to python-etk binding. Jun 26 06:49:35 Railer: most likely fremont in california, as that's the openmoko north american distribution hub Jun 26 06:50:24 Openmoko shipping, and payday... Jun 26 06:50:26 \o/ Jun 26 06:50:51 see if coming from fremont ups will tell you exactly once you know the weight Jun 26 06:51:02 the wife wants me to wait and listen to feedback before purchasing... Jun 26 06:52:31 bagpuss tell her its $500 for a dream, so its either gamble on this or its going to the stripers Jun 26 06:52:45 If you do purchase, you'll hear feedback when you make calls. Jun 26 06:54:15 rtm: successfull feedback, squealing feedback, or whinging feedback? :-) Jun 26 06:54:33 echo feedback. Jun 26 06:54:36 Railer: hmmm, strippers... Jun 26 06:55:22 btw, does tangogps have fireeagle support? Jun 26 06:56:06 no idea Jun 26 06:56:52 there is another project port garman maps Jun 26 06:57:22 googling would suggest that it's being considered for visualgps Jun 26 06:58:14 Does anyone know of a way to feed topo maps to tangoGPS? Jun 26 07:02:50 good morning Jun 26 07:03:28 good morning Hopscotch Jun 26 07:28:36 Hi! Jun 26 07:47:45 anyone know, which package provides the python urllib module? Jun 26 07:48:39 python-netclient Jun 26 07:48:47 emdete, thanks Jun 26 07:48:57 np Jun 26 07:57:45 is there a howto somewhere for wifi in the freerunner, i tried iwconfig eth0 essid Odin, and added entries in /etc/resolv.conf, but doesnt seem to work Jun 26 08:00:16 Sup3rkiddo: did you resolved the sane problem in your bb? Jun 26 08:00:46 Sup3rkiddo: you need a ip, i.e. via dhcp ... Jun 26 08:00:47 methril, yeah sort of, commented out the package_qa_check_devdbg Jun 26 08:01:02 emdete, dhcp is a requirement?...can't do a route add? Jun 26 08:01:07 Sup3rkiddo: worked here straight forward... Jun 26 08:01:21 i set the ip manually Jun 26 08:01:30 Sup3rkiddo: no, just give it an ip, a dns server and a default route. Jun 26 08:01:31 ifconfig eth0 up 192.168.1.5 for example Jun 26 08:01:38 Sup3rkiddo: yes, Jun 26 08:01:38 i need to give a route Jun 26 08:01:43 and a default route Jun 26 08:01:47 with a gw Jun 26 08:01:51 than dns Jun 26 08:01:54 yeap Jun 26 08:01:54 and you are done Jun 26 08:02:35 doesnt that work? Jun 26 08:02:57 yeah worked...i forgot the route add default gw part Jun 26 08:03:05 :D Jun 26 08:03:15 yay Jun 26 08:03:44 there is nothing special with that - i thought of writing ManuallyUsingWlan as all the other Manually-wikis but that's not needed ... Jun 26 08:04:11 indeed...i never thought of route add Jun 26 08:04:17 :D Jun 26 08:04:29 network applet spoiled all the geekiness in me Jun 26 08:04:36 you should be able to ping all the others in your net without ;) Jun 26 08:04:50 yeah this fun Jun 26 08:04:55 what do you do with py, http,... ? Jun 26 08:05:05 emdete, pylgrim :D Jun 26 08:05:11 :D great! Jun 26 08:05:28 i realised scp'ing the ipks is so boring Jun 26 08:05:38 never realised freerunner had wifi o.o Jun 26 08:06:11 oh, i use forwarding and internet over usb Jun 26 08:06:49 emdete, yeah, but that needs iptables...no?....not in a mood to set it up Jun 26 08:07:09 it's just one command - on the hostpc... no prob Jun 26 08:07:54 <`pwgen`> iptables -I POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE Jun 26 08:07:58 oh!..must try that one as well Jun 26 08:07:58 exact Jun 26 08:08:28 <`pwgen`> dont forget to enable forwarding !!!! Jun 26 08:31:33 I actually don't have many time, but i have a kernel exception, if i call my neo1973 with latest asu-dev. Is this known? If not i could copy'n'paste the exception message in a bug-report. Jun 26 08:54:27 <`pwgen`> RedDog: change the syslog to do remote logging, you will have a good chance to get the dump Jun 26 08:58:59 `pwgen`: i have a dump, the kernel is still running! ;) Jun 26 08:59:07 it's only an exception ... Jun 26 08:59:36 and there is another excetion in the snd-driver. it couldn't create it's sysfs file ... Jun 26 09:03:21 is it right, that there is an busybox, sh and bash? Jun 26 09:04:33 busybox includes a minimal shell called ash Jun 26 09:05:10 but i don't know if there is an extra bash in openmoko Jun 26 09:05:38 zlfita: i just did: "rm /bin/bash; ln -s /bin/busybox /bin/bash" :) Jun 26 09:10:28 i will go to Turkey on 4th july and return to Netherlands in mid-august. what are chances that i can find a freerunner to buy when i return? Jun 26 09:10:49 delivery to turkey will cost a lot Jun 26 09:21:46 hmm new maemo update has some AGPS gui app Jun 26 09:35:07 hello Jun 26 09:35:27 freerunner taking a long time to get a fix... is that a hardware issue? Jun 26 09:35:39 i'm talking bout gps Jun 26 09:42:03 software. Jun 26 09:42:13 the chip's fine and reacts upon poking. Jun 26 09:42:29 it's elaborated in detail on the ml. Jun 26 09:42:45 k Jun 26 09:42:47 thanks Jun 26 10:48:36 wow, the new openmoko portal looks slick Jun 26 10:49:09 Portal? Jun 26 10:49:53 wut, where Jun 26 10:50:03 ya know..openmoko.com Jun 26 10:50:14 oh, that Jun 26 10:50:25 yeah Jun 26 10:50:35 looks cool...with black an green Jun 26 10:52:14 green? Jun 26 10:52:27 yeah... Jun 26 10:53:19 orange is closer than green Jun 26 10:54:33 bleh, it looks like on of those slickly made urban noir Jun 26 10:55:11 chunky bacon!! Jun 26 10:55:32 (= Jun 26 10:55:57 wxruby on om? Jun 26 11:27:49 \o/ Jun 26 11:27:54 pyroute runs on OpenMoko Jun 26 11:27:59 How is the battery life of the Freerunner (as it is going to be sold in a few weeks) compared to that of the 1973 (with latest updates)? Jun 26 11:32:26 mmontour, your rec state file didn't work for me :( but thanks for that Jun 26 11:40:20 g'afternoon Jun 26 11:40:26 ahah, great topic Jun 26 11:40:54 slashdot lies! *crying* Jun 26 11:41:22 yep, this really shows we can't believe everything you read Jun 26 11:42:53 but should we believe the topic or slashdot ? :D Jun 26 11:43:08 believe in the mailinglist which says believe in the topic :D Jun 26 11:44:09 well /. obviously got its info from somewhere that had never read OM stuff, 500Mhz cpu my ass Jun 26 11:45:05 the cpu is somewhat understandable, the 4.3" screen is what's really bad... Jun 26 11:45:32 (as the cpu is in fact a 500MHz one, just happening to be underclocked at 400MHz) Jun 26 11:46:11 I missed the screen size, obviously failed at first parsing error Jun 26 11:47:08 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4b593b087964 10/packages/netbase/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [netbase] Do not set a nameserver for the usb connection to help apps like assassin Jun 26 11:54:15 are these repository updates(see previous message) Jun 26 11:55:37 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r0dc30bb7d6ce 10/packages/netbase/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [netbase] Do not set a nameserver for the usb connection to help apps like assassin Jun 26 11:55:37 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r059d17ec84dd 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade exposure to r50 Jun 26 11:57:18 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc876a1f34700 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade exposure to r50 Jun 26 12:08:30 hi. could someone here help me with u-boot? i want to safe the flash content before messing something up on a dls router. Jun 26 12:09:14 <`pwgen`> dfu-util can down and upload jffs2 Jun 26 12:10:30 unfortunately i only have serial access t u-boot so far Jun 26 12:13:40 <`pwgen`> a simple dd if=/dev/mtd4 of=/media/card/rootfs.jffs2 will store the rootfs image on sd card ( mtd2->kernel ) Jun 26 12:17:51 sorry i was hopingto find someone familiar with u-boot here. this is kind of offtopic. i don't have shell access,yet Jun 26 12:22:14 <`pwgen`> have a look at http://www.embedian.com/index.php?main_page=commandline special / but there is the write/dumppart missing Jun 26 12:40:36 fetch-pack from 'git://git.freesmartphone.org/zhone.git' failed. Jun 26 12:40:59 http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/git_git.freesmartphone.org.zhone.git.tar.gz - ERROR 404: Not Found. Jun 26 12:41:08 So how does one compile fso-image? Jun 26 12:41:10 quitte: look at #u-boot channel Jun 26 12:41:39 and be more specific :) Jun 26 12:58:42 hmm, would anyone here remember how many Neo1973 were made? Jun 26 12:59:12 IIRC, there were 1000 initially sold (quite fast), and a total of 5000 units Jun 26 12:59:23 I don't think it was ever published Jun 26 12:59:37 Speculation - sometime before the end of the sales - was 3K Jun 26 12:59:45 total volume - based on various figures. Jun 26 12:59:50 ok Jun 26 12:59:54 So 5K does not sound completely insane. Jun 26 13:00:39 ok, thanks Jun 26 13:00:41 Though if the figures were based on inaccurate foundations, they may of course be widely out. Jun 26 13:00:47 yeah :) Jun 26 13:03:27 so if i understand gsm right, since i live in the usa, i have to get the 900/1800/1900 band phone, and it wont work in most of the other parts of the world? Jun 26 13:03:38 No Jun 26 13:03:42 850 Jun 26 13:03:58 that's the 'other parts of the world' phone Jun 26 13:04:03 850 is US only Jun 26 13:04:08 and is going to work for 1800/1900 bands in the world :) Jun 26 13:04:10 I think Jun 26 13:04:25 Yes, some places require 900 though. Jun 26 13:04:32 ah, i wish we didnt do things differently here.... Jun 26 13:04:35 Or have mixed 18/1900 and 900 Jun 26 13:04:46 on one provider Jun 26 13:08:01 * SpeedEvil sings. Jun 26 13:08:28 I want to teach the world to talk on just one frequency. Jun 26 13:09:14 can anyone get mickeyterm_git.bb to build? Jun 26 13:10:04 aha - the --prefix in the git checkout-index command in the bitbake git fetcher has a ';' in it, which is causing the shell to think it's two commands. Jun 26 13:10:11 mickey|zzZZzz: ^^ Jun 26 13:12:04 e.g. /home/moko/sources/gi\ Jun 26 13:12:04 t_git.freesmartphone.org.python-helpers.git_7b91951addfd51850a23c23ad8ba7f853c4d3416;hb=7b91951addfd5185\ Jun 26 13:12:04 0a23c23ad8ba7f853c4d3416.tar.gz Jun 26 13:12:21 wonder where the ';hb=' comes from ... Jun 26 13:16:53 <`pwgen`> rwhitby Jun 26 13:19:08 Hello. As far as I understend the OM will be released 4th of July (according to last CU). Is there any estimation of shipping time (within EU)? Jun 26 13:19:09 <`pwgen`> rwhitby: 1. dont use mokomake 2: use openembedded as build base. 3. add require conf/distro/include/moko-autorev.inc to your local.conf Jun 26 13:19:53 `pwgen`: using moko-autorev.inc is never the correct answer. Jun 26 13:19:55 <`pwgen`> and fso-autorev.inc..... you build will not be the same as the "official fso-image " Jun 26 13:20:18 <`pwgen`> rwhitby: its what micky told me Jun 26 13:20:20 having someone with commit privs updating sane-srcrevs is the correct alternative to using an autorev Jun 26 13:20:32 How is the battery life of the Freerunner (as it is going to be sold in a few weeks) compared to that of the 1973 (with latest updates)? Jun 26 13:20:39 `pwgen`: and asking *me* not to use mokomakefile is a bit amusing ;-) Jun 26 13:21:59 <`pwgen`> rwhitby: i dont know who you are, but you are not the first questioning about fso-image ... Jun 26 13:22:45 `pwgen`: rwhitby wrote the mokomakefile Jun 26 13:23:04 `pwgen`: the correct answer is to fix line 88 of sane-srcrevs.inc Jun 26 13:23:08 <`pwgen`> ahhh ... that declares the *me* Jun 26 13:23:29 XorA: can you fix that line in om monotone please? Jun 26 13:24:27 `pwgen`: BTW, I wasn't having a go at you - it's just that autorev is never the right answer to tell the community - it should be for bleeding edge internal developers only. the community should always get a stable known good version. Jun 26 13:24:53 hence, whoever checked in that bad line in sane-srcrevs.inc violated the rule of testing what you check in. Jun 26 13:24:53 rwhitby: we use git these days :-) Jun 26 13:25:24 XorA: right, old habits of speech die hard. Jun 26 13:25:29 rwhitby: ie mickey|zzZZzz :-) Jun 26 13:26:01 XorA: exactly - someone using autorev, but making changes to sane-srcrevs :-) Jun 26 13:26:10 * mickey|zzZZzz guilty as charged Jun 26 13:26:35 fuck wrong commit message on wrong file Jun 26 13:28:18 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rcec47f0c13ae 10/conf/distro/include/moko-autorev.inc: [moko-autorev] remove packagekit from autorev. Jun 26 13:28:34 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r7ebd97199912 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane-srcrevs] fix rev for mickeyterm Jun 26 13:28:39 XorA: thx Jun 26 13:28:56 * rwhitby adds "make fso-image" support to mokomakefile Jun 26 13:29:26 mickey|zzZZzz: it's just 'fso-image', not 'openmoko-fso-image', right? Jun 26 13:30:06 yep Jun 26 13:30:20 rwhitby: you got to swith branches as well Jun 26 13:31:55 XorA: which branch? Jun 26 13:32:13 not org.openmoko.dev ? Jun 26 13:33:44 org.openembedded.dev Jun 26 13:35:04 XorA: BTW, would you believe that my GTA02 no longer turns on? Jun 26 13:35:29 must be dodgy .au electricity :-D Jun 26 13:35:44 even with a fully charged battery (I have an external charger now) and the OM wall charger plugged into USB. Jun 26 13:36:02 I'm wondering if I have the same problem as Steve. Jun 26 13:36:15 or whether it's just busted. Jun 26 13:36:53 * rwhitby thinks that Openmoko hardware just doesn't like him ... Jun 26 13:39:13 XorA: at some stage you guys should change DISTRO_VERSION = "P1-Snapshot-..." ... Jun 26 13:39:55 I have never used the wallcharger, maybe its buggered :-) Jun 26 13:45:23 does the freerunner have a debug board, and would it be useful if i wanted to port vlc to the phone? Jun 26 13:45:53 yes--optional, no Jun 26 13:46:11 <`pwgen`> hey good morning mickeyl: Jun 26 13:47:08 mickeyl: by "optional, no" do you mean that its perfectly feasible to port it without the debug board? Jun 26 13:47:21 <`pwgen`> bad news. the linux-openmoko-devel-git uses another .config as hte fso-kernel, so there are a lot of missing modules, and ig got al lot of segfaults . Jun 26 13:47:29 yes, there is a debugboard availble, but it's an optional buy Jun 26 13:47:44 no, there's hardly any benefit for a vlc port Jun 26 13:48:05 kdubois: i guess it might be useful, but for userspace the debugboard (hardware debugger) is just as functional as the software debugger Jun 26 13:48:18 plain gdb Jun 26 13:49:04 alright cool, makes sense Jun 26 13:49:13 `pwgen`: yeah, the andy branch is missing some modules. i have added the defconfig to OE again, since we want our own. send me a patch against this defconfig, and i'll enable more stuff Jun 26 13:50:39 anyone knows if the om lists are subscribers can post only? Jun 26 13:51:17 pretty likely Jun 26 13:51:44 ok .. i'll resend ;) Jun 26 13:54:42 <`pwgen`> how do i get the defconfig from andy's branch, ( what revision was it based ) Jun 26 13:56:16 openmoko: 03rwhitby * r23 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: MokoMakefile: Added support for fso-image Jun 26 13:57:17 ping Jun 26 13:57:27 SYN|ACK Jun 26 13:57:29 gnop Jun 26 13:57:35 RES Jun 26 13:57:37 RST Jun 26 13:57:42 NAK Jun 26 13:57:49 RST Jun 26 14:08:04 `pwgen`: take the one from HEAD, there were no changes Jun 26 14:08:25 the oe defconfig to compare with is in linux/linux-openmoko-devel/defconfig- Jun 26 14:08:45 So does anyone know....is running a JVM plausable on the freerunner? or will that just be too much overhead to have anything run efficiently? Jun 26 14:09:26 It should run. Jun 26 14:09:33 It will not run very fast. Jun 26 14:10:07 Consider it as more-or-less a Pentium 200 or similar. Jun 26 14:10:19 hmm. k. Jun 26 14:10:41 and with the 128 megs of ram, java se will be tight Jun 26 14:10:49 <`pwgen`> mickeyl: the linux/linux-openmoko-devel/defconfig is diffrent to that what is used in the fso-kernel ... cause i do updates in org.openeembedded. ... Jun 26 14:10:50 * rwhitby is always amazed at how wrong LinuxDevices gets things ... Jun 26 14:11:12 ya, it's different Jun 26 14:11:14 it came in later Jun 26 14:11:21 fso-kernel was built out of andy's defconfig Jun 26 14:11:46 <`pwgen`> an there ist no /proc/config.gz .... Jun 26 14:11:56 <`pwgen`> s/ist/is/ Jun 26 14:11:56 `pwgen` meant: an there is no /proc/config.gz .... Jun 26 14:12:37 ya, we should enable this for reference Jun 26 14:12:54 somebody has run the phoneme j2me thing on qvfb on the neo apparently (I might ask again if now that they've ported qtopia to x11, it runs without qvfb now?) Jun 26 14:13:17 woohoo! openmoko-devel-image and fso-image both build from org.openmoko.dev for gta02 :-) Jun 26 14:18:38 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r2fd212d9655c 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/ (6 files in 3 dirs): ophoned: prepare for adding the new dbus API: org.freesmartphone.PDP.* Jun 26 14:20:22 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r47249256fd78 10/odeviced/src/ (daemon/service.vala plugins/power/power.c): code compiles with vala from SVN, CamelCase for DBus signals Jun 26 14:39:28 are there any plans to replace the resistive touchscreen with a capacitive one? Jun 26 14:40:42 From what i have heard GTA04 will still be resistive....but thats just what I've gathered from the mailing lists Jun 26 14:41:49 err, Neo FR is GTA02, right? where is GTA03? Jun 26 14:42:17 on the drawing board Jun 26 14:42:51 I thought 03 was the dash? Jun 26 14:47:21 oh, the Neo FR comes with a stylus? neat, I hate using fingers Jun 26 14:47:33 does it? Jun 26 14:47:44 i can't wait for the Neo FR Jun 26 14:47:56 just hoping i'll be able to get one Jun 26 14:48:05 I dunno, they did say they're gonna cut back on the default accessories, but they did also say that the first shipments will have a bit of extra Jun 26 14:48:38 hi! Jun 26 14:48:43 the neo 1973 did....im pretty sure FR comes with the same stylus....its a large pen that has a stylus/laser pointer/led light/pen in it. Actually i think only the first x shipments get those pens...until they run out Jun 26 14:48:53 it's sad... the 'Group Sales'... no one trusts no one Jun 26 14:48:54 Pyrasi, yeah, something like that Jun 26 14:48:56 is libsdl included in the openmoko or easily installable? Jun 26 14:49:01 silwol, yes Jun 26 14:49:05 thx, great! Jun 26 14:49:24 looking forward to playing this on the phone: http://launchpad.net/freenukum Jun 26 14:49:26 ;-) Jun 26 14:49:29 at least last I checked there was an sdl game per default even, but I dunno with the ASU Jun 26 14:49:37 regardless, easy install if not defaulat Jun 26 14:51:05 yea.....the Kentucky Group has 8 people...but I cant seem to get anyone else to join it....even though I see other people in the surrounding area that could Jun 26 14:51:47 too bad really =/ The price difference isnt significant enough to bother me....i just wanted the extra free goodies Jun 26 14:52:41 I can't afford to buy one now, but I would love a capacitive touchscreen, if those can be used with a tiny stylus (the ones that are like a crayon) Jun 26 14:53:55 so if my local group doesn't agree to buy 10 Neo FR's, what are the chances of purchasing a single unit when they come out in the U.S.? Jun 26 14:56:29 the chances? I dont follow... Jun 26 14:56:52 chances, as in being able to buy one when they come out Jun 26 14:59:59 its prolly a dns issue Jun 26 15:00:01 oops Jun 26 15:00:08 wrong window :p Jun 26 15:01:01 there is no proper place to ask this Jun 26 15:01:30 what is the proper name for that clothing with glittery sparkles on it? Jun 26 15:01:36 (for a funny email I'm writing) Jun 26 15:05:33 uhhh...sparkly glitter 80's wear? Jun 26 15:09:10 sequins Jun 26 15:09:30 aw, capacitive and styluses don't get along, apparently :( Jun 26 15:09:52 I'd rather have a stylus than a strong screen, though, fingers are clumsy Jun 26 15:17:48 * SpeedEvil hands angasule a SAW. Jun 26 15:18:02 to cut off my fingers? Jun 26 15:19:02 It's another technology of touchscreen Jun 26 15:19:53 fingers have been made obsolete by styluses Jun 26 15:30:57 aah, surface acoustic wave Jun 26 15:31:56 hmm, dirt will interfere with it Jun 26 15:32:07 wikipedia doesn't mention styluses or anything Jun 26 15:58:35 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r93aa4972dddb 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/modems/ti_calypso/ (channel.py mediator.py unsolicited.py): ophoned: add support for remote hold notification Jun 26 16:10:40 is the max rootfs size 61M on the device also Jun 26 16:11:08 (as it is in QEMU) Jun 26 16:11:43 sandman__: On the 1973, yes Jun 26 16:13:30 I see. How do you usually install anything? Do you put it on /dev/shm or somewhere else? Jun 26 16:15:25 sandman__: I put almost everything I newly install on the sd Jun 26 16:15:43 /dev/shm is gonna go away on a reboot if it is what I think it is Jun 26 16:16:39 You can add a new destination in the opkg.config, then target that with your opkg install command Jun 26 16:16:47 I see. /etc/fstab had all the answers. thank you Jun 26 16:16:59 But afterward you also have to opkg-link Jun 26 16:17:04 You're welcome :-) Jun 26 16:18:36 what is the syntax to opkg-link to /media/card (my SD card location) Jun 26 16:22:29 never mind, I found it. =) Jun 26 16:25:38 sandman__: Sorry, I'm in & out of the channel, my responses will be a little slow Jun 26 16:26:11 sandman__: I recommend creating a subdirectory under /media/card to opkg link to Jun 26 16:28:43 In Sweden, it is very popular to get a 3g-internet connection to laptops with an usb dongle. The most common hardware device is the HuaWei E220 HSDPA Modem. Would it be possible to connect it to the OpenMoko Freerunner to get high speed 3g connection? Jun 26 16:29:12 As I understand it. Jun 26 16:29:13 Yes. Jun 26 16:29:25 You will get significantly less battery life. Jun 26 16:29:43 But otherwise, it appears simply as a PPP/serial device Jun 26 16:30:25 Speaking solely of research that I did when looking for eee resources. Jun 26 16:30:36 (I have not tried this) Jun 26 16:31:16 I would have - but I can't obtain a contract ATM with one. Jun 26 16:33:38 wurp2: I edited /etc/opkg.conf and put /media/card as the dest root. Is there another step I need to take to link opkg? Jun 26 16:35:13 Well, I would use /media/card/opkg as a secondary destination, not as root... Jun 26 16:35:28 then when you install, use -d (I think) to specify a destination Jun 26 16:36:01 Then after you install, run opkg-link mount /media/card/opkg (I think) to create symlinks Jun 26 16:36:49 If you change root, I think installing won't work at all Jun 26 16:37:06 In that the files will be installed somewhere that the PATH, LIBPATH, etc. don't know about Jun 26 16:37:34 and opkg-link won't help, because it doesn't know where the root is... that's speculation based on my somewhat fuzzy notions of how opkg installing works, though Jun 26 16:38:37 crap. I didn't backup opkg.conf, what should the root be? Jun 26 16:46:58 I think it's supposed to be / Jun 26 16:47:00 sec... Jun 26 16:49:37 Yeah, / Jun 26 16:49:59 Check that you have opkg-link Jun 26 16:50:22 I'm not sure if they ever built one. Early on they only had ipkg-conf, and I had to hack that to make opkg-conf Jun 26 16:53:13 thx.. I don't have opkg-link on the device. bitbake on the host side or should I download it from somewhere? Jun 26 16:53:29 Can you opkg install ipkg-link? Jun 26 16:53:52 Are you running a ScaredyCat release? Jun 26 16:54:07 'cause the repositories seem broken for regular 2007.2 releases :-( Jun 26 16:54:10 I have his repository in my list. Jun 26 16:56:07 opkg install ipkg-link - can't find package Jun 26 16:56:23 it's in ipkg-utils, IIRC Jun 26 16:56:37 at least it used to, last winter summer :) Jun 26 16:57:05 I don't think I'll be able to help any more :-( I don't have network access to my neo here, and I've been copying my opkg-link script to my new installs each time Jun 26 16:58:39 and I should probably work, too ;-) Jun 26 16:58:59 ipkg-utils doesn't work either, but I have it on the host side =)). Thanks for the help! Jun 26 17:02:13 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rffbbabdaa093 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/ (gsm/channel.py modems/ti_calypso/channel.py): Jun 26 17:02:13 freesmartphone.org: framework: remove last bits of TI Calypso specific channel handling out VirtualChannel Jun 26 17:02:13 freesmartphone.org: and put it into CalypsoModemChannel. VirtualChannel is now completely generic (*phew*) Jun 26 17:02:55 shoragan: note the commit Jun 26 17:03:07 shoragan: lowlevel init is now out of the VC Jun 26 17:03:18 should work better with your card now Jun 26 17:04:24 ah, speaking of that, it's been a long time since I flashed my Neo, should I give a try to ASU or stick with 2007.2 for now ? Jun 26 17:05:40 lukhas: I wouldn't flash it at all... Jun 26 17:05:51 why ? Jun 26 17:05:57 2007.2 is broken last I checked, and so is ASU Jun 26 17:06:01 oh Jun 26 17:06:07 If you look at snapshot reviews, the last good one was 5/7 Jun 26 17:06:31 been a long time sine I saw a daily snaphsot review, too :) Jun 26 17:06:33 I flashed, and then finally got mine working again by reflashing a ScaredyCat release, but I still don't have a couple of things that worked before Jun 26 17:06:44 lukhas, It's been a long time since there's been a usable snapshot. Jun 26 17:06:48 i was wondering if it's possible to connect a usb webcam to freerunner? Jun 26 17:06:51 like vt100 emulation and a good sw keyboard Jun 26 17:06:54 kdean06: I see Jun 26 17:07:05 I'll stick with my oldish snapshot then Jun 26 17:07:06 h3sham: Yep, if you can get the driver ported :-) Jun 26 17:07:20 I stopped doing them because every Openmoko image, literally, everyone, was broken and "pre-alpha" so I didn't even bother. Jun 26 17:07:36 too bad Jun 26 17:07:36 I use Qtopia on my 1973, if that says something. Jun 26 17:07:50 wurp2: any projects you know? Jun 26 17:08:14 And I was hopeful for the ASU, but I'm confused now... I thought the ASU and the Framework were the front and back ends of "Openmoko" but now I have reason to doubt that... Jun 26 17:08:23 h3sham: Nope :-( Jun 26 17:08:35 So I'm nto sure what is "official" and what isn't, and that clarification is very slow in coming. Jun 26 17:09:08 kdean06: Have you asked on the lists? The volume was getting high, so I filter the lists to a folder and rarely read them any more Jun 26 17:09:08 <`pwgen`> mickeyl: i made an gta01 "andy" image with removed debug code ant its working very well ( no segfaults ) . now i add the /proc/config and put it on my page Jun 26 17:09:17 I've got one more "plus" for hte forum versus mailing list thing. :P Jun 26 17:09:31 Forums don't autocomplete and send messages to public mailing lists. :P Jun 26 17:09:33 <||Leto||> i prefer the list, really Jun 26 17:09:34 pwgen: ok, very helpful. thanks! Jun 26 17:09:42 pwgen: URI? Jun 26 17:09:56 <||Leto||> and what i read over the state of the software lately makes me think about buying the fr twice :-| Jun 26 17:10:09 wurp2, I'm getting close to the point of unsubscribing, honestly. Jun 26 17:10:16 For much the same reason. Jun 26 17:10:23 <||Leto||> and i'm not gonna buy anything from om if gta03 will really contain a camera :( Jun 26 17:10:28 Plus... I am coming to hate mailing lists. :P Jun 26 17:10:30 * ||Leto|| sights Jun 26 17:10:33 <||Leto||> sighs Jun 26 17:10:35 <`pwgen`> http://eric-weiss.dyndns.org/trac/wiki/openmoko Jun 26 17:11:01 wurp2, I've sent a personal e-mail to mickey, but he typically responds pretty slowly. Jun 26 17:11:34 But he was pretty willing to explain the framework before, but I held a misconception I suppose. Jun 26 17:11:56 actually i'm planning to put a blog post together trying to explain the big picture Jun 26 17:11:59 but that will take me a while Jun 26 17:12:12 i'm working on it though Jun 26 17:12:13 mickeyl: that will certainly help all of us Jun 26 17:12:25 and of course it takes time Jun 26 17:12:35 note that not even I have the full vision, but i'll do my very best ;) Jun 26 17:12:52 Sean MP gave me the same answer :) Jun 26 17:13:24 :) Jun 26 17:13:30 it would be perfect if you could finish your post before next Tuesday, so that I can reuse your Big Picture stuff into my presentation Jun 26 17:13:31 Faie enough. :) Jun 26 17:13:39 Geeze. Jun 26 17:13:50 Perhaps I need to stop blaming Gmail and learn to type. :S Jun 26 17:14:04 if not, I'll just skip the FSO/ASU part :) Jun 26 17:15:02 The Framework has me excited. Jun 26 17:15:10 which one? :) Jun 26 17:15:19 lukhas: that should be possible Jun 26 17:15:22 If that's not the backside of the ASU, then I'm gonna stop drooling over the framework. :P Jun 26 17:15:25 mickeyl: great Jun 26 17:15:25 i plan to do it on weekend Jun 26 17:15:41 I like the zhone launcher, love the features in the roadmap (call waiting!). Jun 26 17:15:52 kdean06: FSO is more long term than ASU, ASU will use parts of it Jun 26 17:15:59 that's all I got from Sean Jun 26 17:16:22 and FSO is one layer under ASU Jun 26 17:16:32 lukhas, That's what I assumed, but... It's becoming a bit more clear, IMO, that there IS no set direction yet. Jun 26 17:16:35 also, I love all those TLA we tend to use Jun 26 17:16:45 That's good news. I got the impression that FSO had no official standing Jun 26 17:16:58 or at least ambiguous official standing Jun 26 17:21:39 <`pwgen`> has anyone played with kexec and openmoko ? Jun 26 17:24:54 * lukhas curses evince for crashing every 3 times it reloads a PDF Jun 26 17:25:17 (and for taking down all instances of evince at the same time) Jun 26 17:25:46 Ouch. Jun 26 17:27:33 kdean06: oh, BTW, your "photo tour of the ASU" no longer features photos :) Jun 26 17:27:43 I know. :( Jun 26 17:28:09 I had a double RAID failure last week and lost anything newer than 3 months old that wasn't cached on Google. Jun 26 17:28:17 ouche Jun 26 17:28:19 I've got the images still, just haven't had time to replace them. Jun 26 17:28:24 I see Jun 26 17:28:27 I'll get to it this weekend, hopefully. Jun 26 17:28:32 ok Jun 26 17:29:31 <`pwgen`> wich tool was used to draw the Big Picture stuff on wiki/OpenmokoFramework ? Jun 26 17:30:09 looks like a Dia / Inkscape drawing Jun 26 17:30:18 or MS Visio :) Jun 26 17:30:31 Visio wouldnt suprise me from mickeyl :-) Jun 26 17:30:37 hehe Jun 26 17:32:25 mickeyl: btw, what's the license of this image ? Jun 26 17:32:38 can I reuse in slides for a presentation ? Jun 26 17:32:55 <`pwgen`> ../org.openembedded.dev/packages/inkscape/inkscape_0.43.bb *FG* Jun 26 17:34:04 the picture was made with OmniGraffle on a Mac Jun 26 17:34:07 license is CC Jun 26 17:34:12 feel free to use Jun 26 17:34:19 ok, thanks Jun 26 17:34:37 I'll probably have a hard time commenting it though :) Jun 26 17:36:04 ya, high level docu is needed Jun 26 17:36:19 but until we have something that is a bit stable, I won't go into high level docu Jun 26 17:36:26 i will docu APIs until then Jun 26 17:36:30 makes sense Jun 26 17:36:44 so is FSO an official FIC project, or just people working on it to better the backend? Jun 26 17:37:18 FSO has full support from Openmoko. Jun 26 17:37:46 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rf03f4cceb655 10/framework/objectquery.py: controller: use a specific dbus interface to work with our current dbus security policy Jun 26 17:37:47 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r34aa47aab84e 10/ (framework/framework setup.py): framework: add a generic interactive console Jun 26 17:38:20 * mickeyl smiles reading the comments Jun 26 17:38:25 cool. I was looking at it the other day and i was very happy to see all the work being done to use dbus to communicate and abstract everything Jun 26 17:39:57 <`pwgen`> mickeyl: resume is gone faster without debug kernel ... 1 ringtone - vibration before the 2. ringtone sound is playing (:-)) Jun 26 17:40:16 that sounds good Jun 26 17:42:50 <`pwgen`> mickeyl: but i got kernel messages http://pastebin.com/m2bda8f1e Jun 26 17:43:31 hmm Jun 26 17:43:34 out of my depth here Jun 26 17:43:39 you should take that up to openmoko-kernel Jun 26 17:43:53 I'm still a userland-only guy Jun 26 17:44:19 <`pwgen`> to whom can i give that ? Jun 26 17:44:41 hello guys Jun 26 17:45:13 do u know when is release of freerunner ? Jun 26 17:45:22 the release * Jun 26 17:45:29 check back around the 4th of july ;) Jun 26 17:45:47 i am from greece... Jun 26 17:45:57 i prefer the price of 400 $ Jun 26 17:46:08 you'll have to pay VAT over this price Jun 26 17:46:12 `pwgen`: andy green, mwester, Sean McNeil on openmoko-devel are the best candidates for fixing the remaining suspend issues Jun 26 17:46:56 at 4th of july will it be available on openmoko.com ? Jun 26 17:47:03 ramaya: that's the plan Jun 26 17:47:18 around the 4th, at least Jun 26 17:47:55 do you have any screenshot or something with the asu ? cause on youtube the most videos i think are with the old os Jun 26 17:48:39 i wonder, today i had my wifi in the freerunner switched on and i realised that i could ssh into it from a laptop without problems...:(, Jun 26 17:49:01 great Jun 26 17:49:17 ick Jun 26 17:49:19 did you try setting a password for the root account? Jun 26 17:49:28 <`pwgen`> ok lets keep an eye on mwester. i added the same image with /proc/config.gz support Jun 26 17:49:29 will that prevent you from logging in? Jun 26 17:49:33 (should not) Jun 26 17:49:36 and do u have any idea about the browser ? if there is any improvement ... comparing to that video http://youtube.com/watch?v=btY2SFVrOsc Jun 26 17:50:02 will that cause other complications if you change the root pass? Jun 26 17:50:03 lukhas, well na...since i didnt set a root, since my wifi router doesnt have an antenna and hence has very little range Jun 26 17:50:42 but imagine this, you go to a public AP, someone ssh's into your phone and deletes all that pr0n Jun 26 17:51:31 what's the default root password ? Jun 26 17:51:38 nothing =/ Jun 26 17:51:40 Jun 26 17:52:00 but its just a matter of passwd Jun 26 17:52:06 anyway Jun 26 17:52:07 anyway, this phone is not intended for people who do not know how to change a root password :) Jun 26 17:52:10 not yet Jun 26 17:52:10 damn lag Jun 26 17:52:22 hehe true Jun 26 17:52:23 ok... iphone also had this ... but that's not a problem Jun 26 17:52:36 there was no ssh enabled by default on the iphone Jun 26 17:52:39 you must change tha password... Jun 26 17:52:47 ok.. no by default Jun 26 17:52:56 so it's kinda different Jun 26 17:53:03 hopefully, it will be fixed some way Jun 26 17:53:05 i think OM runs dropbear Jun 26 17:53:10 yes Jun 26 17:53:20 at least it used to, last time I checked Jun 26 17:53:28 ok.. what do u know abou the browser ? Jun 26 17:53:39 very basic Jun 26 17:53:46 it's a beta os, after all Jun 26 17:53:49 uses webkit doesnt it? Jun 26 17:53:52 i think? Jun 26 17:53:57 I think so too Jun 26 17:54:14 what i like on iphone is the way that you zoom on browser Jun 26 17:54:25 no multitouch on the FR Jun 26 17:54:32 so you can forget it for the moment :) Jun 26 17:54:35 hm... ok.. Jun 26 17:54:43 maybe the next :p Jun 26 17:55:00 well, you can probably zoom on the browser without multitouch :) just need to use gestures Jun 26 17:55:10 right Jun 26 17:55:26 if such a thing exists (which I doubt it does just yet) Jun 26 17:55:30 hmm...that reminds me....did anyone ever see how Microsoft was doing the multitouch stuff on the resistive touchscreens? Jun 26 17:55:52 ok ... but does the browser show the whole web page on the screen ? Jun 26 17:56:19 or a part of the page ? Jun 26 17:56:27 whole page Jun 26 17:56:45 looks nice at the resolution it has Jun 26 17:57:00 and something else... what about the video on openmoko Jun 26 17:57:17 i mean the quality of video player Jun 26 17:57:21 Sup3rkiddo: Have you tried resetting the root password? Jun 26 17:57:29 there isnt a video player yet Jun 26 17:57:37 ramaya: 320x240 should be playable at a usable fps Jun 26 17:57:53 you'll need to reencode files Jun 26 17:58:03 wurp2, on it...booting the neo Jun 26 17:58:34 Sup3rkiddo: I thought I saw someone say that there was some weird issue with it Jun 26 17:58:45 whoever put that picture of boots on the booting screen.....:P Jun 26 17:58:47 Hopefully I dreamed it, or they were full of crap Jun 26 17:58:52 and u can watch video on the non vertical side ? Jun 26 17:58:52 wurp2, i see Jun 26 17:59:03 Sup3rkiddo: which stack are you running? Jun 26 17:59:03 Sup3rkiddo: that's raster I think Jun 26 17:59:11 haha...yea....i lol'd at the boots Jun 26 17:59:17 ah, ASU I guess Jun 26 17:59:28 yes, the boots are on ASU Jun 26 17:59:29 ramaya: yep, rotation is possible Jun 26 17:59:48 nice... Jun 26 17:59:50 I didn't realize that was good enough for anyone not fixing bugs to be running :-) Jun 26 18:00:24 doc|work: dya know if it's supported when the glamo is driving things, e.g. during mpeg4 playback? Jun 26 18:00:40 Of course, even if it doesn't you can always transpose x & y when you transcode Jun 26 18:00:51 wurp2, passwd works Jun 26 18:00:59 Sup3rkiddo: Excellent, thanks! Jun 26 18:01:07 its on OM as well, (the boots) Jun 26 18:01:07 Sup3rkiddo: can you still log in after boot ? Jun 26 18:01:14 oh wait. Jun 26 18:01:16 wurp2: it is, and it's hardware run too :) Jun 26 18:01:18 lemme check that Jun 26 18:01:19 (with a root password) Jun 26 18:01:26 that would be good :) Jun 26 18:01:31 doc|work: excellent! Jun 26 18:01:50 wurp2: check back a bit on planet.o.o There was info there Jun 26 18:01:57 Sup3rkiddo: You're running a recent 2007.2 release? Jun 26 18:02:03 doc|work: OK, looking Jun 26 18:02:11 wurp2, i ran the latest build, Jun 26 18:02:18 both ASU and OM2007.2 Jun 26 18:02:28 both had boots Jun 26 18:02:32 from the experience tha u have using freerunner... what's the perfomance (slow/quick etc.) Jun 26 18:02:40 the themes in OM are now more glossy Jun 26 18:02:42 Sup3rkiddo: I didn't know 2007.2 was back in any shape for someone to run, either Jun 26 18:02:44 like orange candies Jun 26 18:02:57 wurp2, i didnt test the telephone part of it Jun 26 18:03:05 FSO and ASU worked Jun 26 18:03:07 Sup3rkiddo: heh, what about term? Emulation working? Jun 26 18:03:16 wurp2, yeah Jun 26 18:03:24 one of those weeks where everything works :P Jun 26 18:03:26 Sup3rkiddo: As in, does backspace erase prior character instead of inserting a space? Jun 26 18:03:33 Sup3rkiddo: Wow, time to update Jun 26 18:03:42 wurp2, in the term? Jun 26 18:03:45 kdean06: Are you gonna review? :-) Jun 26 18:03:45 yeah that works Jun 26 18:03:49 Sup3rkiddo: yeah Jun 26 18:04:08 Sup3rkiddo: That's great! That was broken for a long time recently Jun 26 18:04:23 tab completion works as well (assuming it didnt) Jun 26 18:04:25 I thought 2007.2 was gonna be unsupported, and broken stuff was gonna stay broken Jun 26 18:04:26 Review what? Jun 26 18:04:43 Sup3rkiddo: It did complete, but it didn't necessarily look right Jun 26 18:04:46 ooops...dang..i forgot my root password Jun 26 18:04:56 bleh Jun 26 18:04:56 kdean06: apparently 2007.2 release is more or less working again Jun 26 18:05:02 now i have to flash it again Jun 26 18:05:11 Sup3rkiddo: Sorry :-( Jun 26 18:05:11 wurp2, oh ok Jun 26 18:05:16 ah Jun 26 18:05:19 now i remember Jun 26 18:05:22 its passwordx Jun 26 18:05:47 sounds like a password with an "attitude" Jun 26 18:06:15 yep...rebooting works Jun 26 18:06:39 wurp2, Frankly, with the 2007.02 releases not actually being developed, no, not interested. Jun 26 18:06:42 how much is the booting time ? Jun 26 18:06:59 i'd say it compares to a desktop Jun 26 18:07:27 i deppends the desktop.... if it is windows :pp Jun 26 18:07:36 I really want to focus more or less on "official" things. I still poke at it, but since the 2007.02 has a rather limited media player, it's cumbersome for me to actually use. Jun 26 18:07:56 port mplayer! Jun 26 18:08:01 kdean06: Weren't you telling me before that you liked the media player? ;-) Jun 26 18:08:07 No. Jun 26 18:08:17 he was probably mentioning qtopia's media player Jun 26 18:08:27 do we have application for documents , pdf etc. ? Jun 26 18:08:30 I don't "like" Qtopia's media player, but it's hand-down the best one so far. Jun 26 18:08:37 ramaya: not yet Jun 26 18:08:50 be lucky if you can call reliably, right now Jun 26 18:08:52 lukhas: I thought there was one for pdf? Jun 26 18:08:53 I do two things every day - delete yesterday's podcast and fastforward my audio. Jun 26 18:09:06 that's called beta software Jun 26 18:09:20 wurp2: don't remember reading this Jun 26 18:09:21 There's no "delete" button on the openmoko-mediaplayer2 and can't fast forward. :P Jun 26 18:09:23 lukhas: all that for freerunner ? Jun 26 18:09:28 but I may be wrong Jun 26 18:09:35 changing the track when you shake the device would be coooool Jun 26 18:09:39 ramaya: yes Jun 26 18:09:50 lukhas: not sure even for calling ? Jun 26 18:09:51 Sup3rkiddo: don't run while listening to music then :) Jun 26 18:09:56 xm.. interesting Jun 26 18:09:56 ramaya: "pretty sure" Jun 26 18:10:06 lukhas, well bleh, yeah..didnt think of that Jun 26 18:10:07 but it's still beta software Jun 26 18:10:18 yes but beta is testing Jun 26 18:10:36 hm, afk, time to find food Jun 26 18:10:49 i suppose when will be the official releas will have the non beta software Jun 26 18:10:56 2007.02 is "dead" software. :P ASU and FSO are pre-alpha. Jun 26 18:11:27 FSO is acronym for ... ? Jun 26 18:11:30 what's fso standing for? Jun 26 18:11:33 Hello, I'm soon becaming an owner of Neo FreeRunner and I want to ask if there is comtatible battery on market and which type it may be, please? Jun 26 18:11:41 FreeSmartphone.Org Jun 26 18:11:48 ahhh Jun 26 18:11:59 Blackhex2: check on the wiki, I think that they are listed somewhere Jun 26 18:12:14 blackhex i heard some nokia batteries are. check out the wiki-hardware pages. Jun 26 18:12:44 lukhas: I'll check it one, i only saw that its sanyo CT-GTA02 which is probably only for neo's since google don't give any other references Jun 26 18:13:02 1200mA Jun 26 18:13:26 1200mAH even Jun 26 18:13:42 mAh Jun 26 18:13:52 and I haven't seen possibility to buy additional one on pulster where I'm buing the neo Jun 26 18:14:08 ha! Bearstech will sell them :) Jun 26 18:14:21 when I find time to update the store and dig into HTML Jun 26 18:16:03 i think that after the release of openmoko we will have a lot of new software Jun 26 18:16:37 maybe it's a matter of time Jun 26 18:16:42 ramaya: yes, definitely Jun 26 18:16:49 "It is apparently compatible with the Nokia BL-5C" Jun 26 18:16:56 It's not Jun 26 18:17:13 It's sort-of. The freerunner will not charge it. Jun 26 18:17:29 it's sort of a shame there's no 'working' os for the FR Jun 26 18:17:30 like iphone... after the release... people they made so many apps Jun 26 18:17:33 yes I read it, so is there any full-compatible battery? Jun 26 18:17:39 No. Jun 26 18:17:57 lukhas: epdfview, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Epdfview Jun 26 18:18:07 ah Jun 26 18:18:10 I stand corrected Jun 26 18:18:12 thanks Jun 26 18:18:18 np. I wasn't sure about it Jun 26 18:18:42 BTW, wiki.openmoko.org search sucks balls. Googling "site:wiki.openmoko.org search terms" works much better Jun 26 18:20:07 ScaredyCat: are you on? Jun 26 18:21:07 if u put 8gb sd card... would be a problem ? Jun 26 18:21:40 8G works Jun 26 18:21:48 16-32 should too Jun 26 18:21:55 SpeedEvil: cool Jun 26 18:22:04 >32 probably will - but that will require a new kernel probably Jun 26 18:22:35 If I find a time. I'll try to port subset of GRASS :-) Jun 26 18:23:06 Blackhex2: link? Jun 26 18:23:18 http://grass.itc.it/ Jun 26 18:25:16 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rbc40b7d8223a 10/otapi/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Jun 26 18:25:16 freesmartphone.org: OTAPI: add org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.GetSignalStrength() -> int and the concomitant signal Jun 26 18:25:16 freesmartphone.org: NOTE that implementing the signal is OPTIONAL, since there is no unsolicited response code for Jun 26 18:25:16 freesmartphone.org: signal strength changes in GSM 07.07 Jun 26 18:27:03 does anyone know something about android phones ? Jun 26 18:27:12 the cake is a lie Jun 26 18:27:38 ramaya: I read recent news that it should be resleased at the end of year Jun 26 18:28:08 what is funny about android is there is the software but no a phone... Jun 26 18:28:25 yeah, I saw few videos at youtube Jun 26 18:29:08 but interesting about hardware is that it has multitouch screen, iirc Jun 26 18:29:17 Some of the Android demos were Qualcomm development platforms. Jun 26 18:29:58 it sounds nice... but we have to wait a lot Jun 26 18:31:11 and it's all java. meh Jun 26 18:31:14 i was ready to buy an iphone... but i didn't .. now we have iphone 3g... but i don't like all the tactic of apple Jun 26 18:31:36 and something open sounds good Jun 26 18:31:42 java ftmfl Jun 26 18:31:54 that's why i look openmoko Jun 26 18:32:15 i think it's a special version of java Jun 26 18:32:20 O.O Jun 26 18:32:39 from google because they have some special libraries Jun 26 18:33:44 read: incompatible version of java Jun 26 18:34:02 the vm is also different Jun 26 18:34:15 it doesnt compile to java bytecode afaik Jun 26 18:34:20 openmoko is in python ? Jun 26 18:34:30 no...but parts are Jun 26 18:35:02 Mostly C....newer stuff is being written in python though Jun 26 18:36:02 So was there ever an official statement saying that ASU is where everything is heading and that apps should be designed for it ....not the old GTK version? Jun 26 18:36:24 asu means august software update ? Jun 26 18:36:36 april actually Jun 26 18:36:38 so we are waitining for something new Jun 26 18:37:11 waiting* Jun 26 18:37:17 Sup3rkiddo, yeah it's java in terms of language syntax and classpath but the bytecode and execution models are not java. Jun 26 18:37:45 i guess thats because of staying clear of problems with sun Jun 26 18:38:24 *yawn*...good night Jun 26 18:40:16 the week of the 4th of july is the following week :) Jun 26 18:40:36 i wish everything will go as planned. Jun 26 18:40:40 i am curious to see the first opinions Jun 26 18:40:49 and more videos on youtube Jun 26 18:41:08 ramaya, same here... Jun 26 18:41:37 i also wish to buy one though. Jun 26 18:41:49 me too... but i want to see more things Jun 26 18:41:56 It seemsa pretty safe bet now... apparently it's already shipping to distributors Jun 26 18:42:34 wurp2, supposed to, though no official statement, or is there? Jun 26 18:42:46 what is important for me is price... i dont like the european price.. Jun 26 18:43:05 what's the european price? Jun 26 18:43:15 about 350 euros Jun 26 18:43:27 and in the us? 400$? Jun 26 18:43:39 we sell it at 320 euros including VAT Jun 26 18:43:39 the official price is 400$ Jun 26 18:43:42 plus shipping Jun 26 18:43:58 I expect the other EU resellers will have roughly the same price Jun 26 18:44:04 under 350 EUR Jun 26 18:44:06 so.. i think via openmoko.com will be cheaper Jun 26 18:44:10 are there two different models? or is the eu and us the same? Jun 26 18:44:20 ramaya: provided you don't pay VAT :) Jun 26 18:44:25 (antennas wise) Jun 26 18:44:31 eu is always more expensive Jun 26 18:44:50 2 diff models Jun 26 18:44:58 ramaya: that's because resellers have to charge you for VAT Jun 26 18:45:14 that's 50 euros in our case (Bearstech, France) Jun 26 18:45:21 plus the warranty, required by law Jun 26 18:45:23 eu is triband with 900 us is triband with 850 Jun 26 18:45:23 the VAT depends on where is the place of the item Jun 26 18:45:24 Pyrasi, for sure? does that mean i can't buy a phone that will work in eu in the us? Jun 26 18:45:45 in greece if u buy something from usa u have to pay tax i think Jun 26 18:46:00 but i think from asia u don't ... i am not sure... Jun 26 18:46:01 yes of course, you always have to pay VAT when importing Jun 26 18:46:29 most of the time they don't bother charging you at the frontier, though Jun 26 18:46:36 yes but inside europe you donta have to pay Jun 26 18:46:45 "Tri-band GSM and GPRS for North America (850/1800/1900 Mhz) and the rest of the world (900/1800/1900 Mhz)" from the wiki Jun 26 18:46:55 Pyrasi, :( Jun 26 18:46:55 inside europe, you pay the VAT from the selling country and that's all Jun 26 18:46:59 here we make some tricks to avoid vat... :p Jun 26 18:47:28 TAsn: that's because some rural parts of the USA have 850 instead of 900 Jun 26 18:47:48 there were some maps exchanged on the ML few monthes ago Jun 26 18:47:49 the seller send the item as gift... and with lower price written outside the box Jun 26 18:48:05 ramaya: om are highly unlikely to do that Jun 26 18:48:13 yeah right, and when there is a control, both pay hugh fines Jun 26 18:48:28 so i will be able to use my eu phone in the us? Jun 26 18:48:32 here many do that... Jun 26 18:48:36 some places probably Jun 26 18:48:52 TAsn: depends on where you go, I'd say Jun 26 18:48:58 I believe the 1900 spectrum covers alot of the US as well Jun 26 18:49:05 nyc for instance... Jun 26 18:49:16 and where i am in Kentucky actually Jun 26 18:49:30 suprisingly Jun 26 18:50:29 anyone know if it's possible to get one european phone in a box of 10? Jun 26 18:50:48 doc|work: i don't think that's possible. Jun 26 18:50:52 im with lukhas though, it'd just depend where you go. You would get BETTER coverage with the 850 version.....but thats not to say you wouldnt get any at all Jun 26 18:50:53 shame :/ Jun 26 18:51:07 doc: i think someone was asking that on the ML today Jun 26 18:51:27 check to see if steve or someone responds later Jun 26 18:53:52 ok Jun 26 18:53:54 will do Jun 26 18:56:39 I would think you could by an eu triband phone in the us, or vice versa Jun 26 18:57:15 1900 coverage is fairly good in the US. As long as you don't go into rural areas, you should be OK Jun 26 18:57:55 and in some rural areas there isn't even 850Mhz :-/ Jun 26 18:58:12 based purely on my experience of using a 1900 phone in the Dallas area + some 350 mile trips around here Jun 26 18:58:18 summatusmentis: Yeah :-( Jun 26 18:58:29 yea. Like i said, I live in Kentucky and most of the places I have been around here have 1900 coverage....so I cant imagine it being terrible elsewhere. Jun 26 18:58:48 don't go to Maine, or western MN Jun 26 18:59:00 they only sort of have 850Mhz, and no 1900 Jun 26 18:59:17 =( Jun 26 19:01:17 so i was looking at trying to find the cheapest dataplan with ATnT that i could use....is anyone else using ATnT and have a dataplan that will work with freerunner? Jun 26 19:02:04 Pyrasi: I'm on a GoPhone plan Jun 26 19:02:21 I pay $40/month for more minutes than I almost ever use, and it rolls over Jun 26 19:02:30 and another $20/month for unlimited internet Jun 26 19:02:35 No contract Jun 26 19:02:39 hmm Jun 26 19:02:45 Prolly not the cheapest Jun 26 19:02:53 but I hate contracts for cell service Jun 26 19:04:29 T-Mobile has a data plan for $6/mo that gives you outbound access to port 80 only, so you can at least browse the web, but I don't yet have a moko to try it with... Jun 26 19:05:00 I've only used it with my laptop by using my RAZR as a modem Jun 26 19:05:17 nuclear_eclipse: Wow, use a tunneling proxy to your home machine's ssh running on port 80, and that would be pretty nice Jun 26 19:05:29 wurp2: exactly :) Jun 26 19:05:35 haha Jun 26 19:05:37 nice Jun 26 19:05:57 When you say port 80 only, do you mean 80 + 443? Jun 26 19:06:09 That's the arrangement at work. I'm tunneling out over 443 right now. Jun 26 19:06:29 and the T-Mobile reps (at least when I did this) say I could use the RAZR as a modem that way, so I'm assuming it's not against TOS Jun 26 19:06:40 wurp2: I never tried port 443 Jun 26 19:06:41 nuclear_eclipse: They lied. Jun 26 19:07:37 im looking at atnt plans....they charge extra for "tethering"....but how could they know if i was just using the cheaper plan and teathering my laptop? Jun 26 19:07:39 nuclear_eclipse: 443 = https Jun 26 19:07:40 well, it wasn't the store reps, it was a CSR on the official line, so I can't imagine they had anything to gain Jun 26 19:07:45 the couldnt could they? Jun 26 19:08:02 s/lied/were misinformed/ Jun 26 19:08:02 Qwell meant: nuclear_eclipse: They were misinformed. Jun 26 19:08:05 Pyrasi: depends on the phone's firmware Jun 26 19:08:39 if they're like Verizon, they might cripple the bluetooth if you don't pay the extra fee Jun 26 19:09:36 btw, how does the FCC handle Neo ? Jun 26 19:10:05 mmu_man: with tongs Jun 26 19:10:10 well....assuming im using the freerunner though...they wouldnt be able to tell if i had a usb connection to the phone and sending the requests out through it? Jun 26 19:10:33 for wifi (and phones I suppose) hw makers take the "excuse" that FCC forbids making possible for the user to exceed standardized powers to avoid opening the specs... Jun 26 19:10:47 Pyrasi: that would be my understanding Jun 26 19:11:09 mmu_man: yeah, that's why the chips are so closed Jun 26 19:11:38 that and chip manufacturers not getting it :/ Jun 26 19:12:13 of course it's void because someone who really wants to can RE the driver anyway Jun 26 19:12:26 just like with nvidia not wanting to open because of "trade secret" Jun 26 19:12:37 you can bet ATI aready has the source of the driver before it's even released Jun 26 19:12:48 Pyrasi: theoretically they could have a transparent proxy which checks the user agent, but if it's at&t they probably subcontract that to the NSA Jun 26 19:12:50 as always it only impairs FOSS driver writers :-( Jun 26 19:12:52 the only way to charge battery is vua usb ? Jun 26 19:13:00 is anyone familiar with ATnT and knows what the hell "MEdia Net" is? They sell data plans and MEdia Net plans.....im wondering if one is 2.5G and the other 3G? Jun 26 19:13:42 ramaya: No, you can use any usb charger Jun 26 19:13:49 ramaya: the charger socket is a usb charger, there's a wall wart which you can use. Same as motorola Jun 26 19:13:52 ramaya: But you want one that supplies at least 500 mA Jun 26 19:13:58 ramaya: it's a good thing :) Jun 26 19:14:08 ramaya: no more proprietary chargers :) Jun 26 19:14:22 u dont need a pc for that ? Jun 26 19:14:31 ramaya: nope, comes with a charger in the box Jun 26 19:14:50 I like these companies that sell "Motorola data cables" for $30 Jun 26 19:14:51 hm.. i've never seen that... Jun 26 19:14:52 ramaya likely you only need the +5V from USB Jun 26 19:15:02 Qwell: hah Jun 26 19:15:02 so you don't need a hub Jun 26 19:15:22 s/hub/powered hub Jun 26 19:15:32 either Jun 26 19:15:35 and the battery life ? Jun 26 19:15:36 non-powered hubs could cause a problem Jun 26 19:15:41 you don't need to use teh USB signaling Jun 26 19:15:45 ramaya: not fully determined Jun 26 19:16:25 4th of july will be day of answers :p Jun 26 19:46:47 does anyone know anything about this: www.koolu.com Jun 26 19:46:47 ? Jun 26 19:46:57 is it a rebranded freerunner? Jun 26 19:47:34 hmm, I remember seeing/reading about that a while ago, and yes, iirc, it's just a moko rebranded Jun 26 19:47:46 with android Jun 26 19:47:53 extra fail :) Jun 26 19:48:06 with android? haha...i thought android didnt support the version of ARM we had> Jun 26 19:48:33 that whole thing looks fake to me.... Jun 26 19:49:05 they have 1 pic with the phone projecting the screen onto a wall and projecting a laser keyboard onto the table Jun 26 19:49:10 yeah Jun 26 19:49:24 and it talks about getting it for freee.... Jun 26 19:49:31 funny how they could distrubte android when there are no sources available yet... Jun 26 19:49:52 if it isnt fake, that would be a GPL violation Jun 26 19:49:55 it doesn't look to be available Jun 26 19:49:56 the whole site smells of scamming to me Jun 26 19:50:01 me too Jun 26 19:50:03 I thought android was apacheish? Jun 26 19:50:17 hmm oh Jun 26 19:50:26 yes, it is something like that Jun 26 19:50:49 good old bsd + evil license so google can claim to support free software and then allow every vendor to lock down their phones just as much as they are now Jun 26 19:50:54 but wooooo OPEN SOURCE Jun 26 19:51:15 nuclear_eclipse: they talk about maybe getting it for free. Like you might maybe win a playstation if you win an ebay auction :) Jun 26 19:51:28 lol Jun 26 19:51:57 haha...if you scroll down on the WE Phone > Openmoko news part of the page it talks about why they DONT want a linux phone Jun 26 19:52:03 man that doesnt make any sense at all Jun 26 19:52:27 the android crowd would surely buy HTC hardware or something more powerful Jun 26 19:54:30 has anyone seen any progress on the GSoC projects other than Saurabh's Speech Recognition one? I was just looking at the registered projects on http://code.google.com/soc/2008/openmoko/about.html and i havent heard any updates on them..... Jun 26 19:55:06 I was wondering the same thing Jun 26 19:55:25 the gesture stuff was progressive fairly well but with a wiimote (the student was sent a freerunner a few days ago though) Jun 26 19:55:30 according to his email at least Jun 26 19:55:40 Pyrasi: hah, that was taken from planet.openmoko.org Jun 26 19:55:41 I had considered doing GSoC for the moko, untill I realized how little the stipend is, and I actually still have to make rent and car payments and such.... Jun 26 19:55:47 the odeviced student posted a few status updates, and the unified IM student has a mockup application Jun 26 19:56:16 I'm hoping that the movitz project is successful it'd be nice to have a network stack Jun 26 19:56:35 and then it wouldn't be too much effort to write an nfs client (yay filesystem without the PITA of dealing with disks) Jun 26 19:56:44 followed shortly by world domination Jun 26 19:56:52 lol Jun 26 19:57:09 I'd rather see samba client support... Jun 26 19:57:32 Except that SMB suuuuucks Jun 26 19:57:54 I've never been able to setup a reliable SMB share (always dies when running stuff like find on it versus good old reliable nfs for LAN stuff and afs for WAN stuff) Jun 26 19:57:56 im hopin for the telepathy one to do well Jun 26 19:58:07 That would be nice to have a unified IM/presence system Jun 26 19:58:34 I'm wondering why the speech recognition project exists at all -- isn't pocketsphinx good enough? Jun 26 19:58:41 unknown_lamer: afs? Jun 26 19:58:51 If anything he ought to be hacking on that to improve it rather than writing his own from scratch Jun 26 19:58:53 i wondered the same thing when i saw it ;) Jun 26 19:58:59 nuclear_eclipse: andrew file system -- massively distributed network fs Jun 26 19:59:24 it seems he has been doing work on making it more optimized to the moko though Jun 26 19:59:32 unknown_lamer: does that support authentication and ACL/tye permissions? Jun 26 19:59:42 nuclear_eclipse: yes via kerberos Jun 26 19:59:59 hmm Jun 26 20:00:09 nuclear_eclipse: you can even put people on other machines on your ACLs Jun 26 20:00:12 * nuclear_eclipse thinks I have a new toy to play with.... Jun 26 20:00:24 nuclear_eclipse: the only nasty part is that afs has its own disk format Jun 26 20:00:28 ouch Jun 26 20:00:39 nuclear_eclipse: that and ... initial kerberos domain controller and afs master setup is a pain in the ass Jun 26 20:01:04 * nuclear_eclipse goes back to Samba Jun 26 20:01:32 afs is more meant for people who have a ton of machines and clients distributed over a very large network Jun 26 20:01:40 ok Jun 26 20:02:03 e.g. at hcoop we use it so that all of our various machines can have a shared fs for homedirs and such including our offsite secondary dns *and* users if they install the openafs client Jun 26 20:02:06 speaking of the wiimote stuff....i just finished my senior design project using the wiimote to control the player...its supprisingly easy to interface with www.libwiiact.org Jun 26 20:02:21 much nicer to just cp foo /afs/hcoop.net/c/cl/clinton/ than needing to use scp :-) Jun 26 20:02:32 if anyone else was interested in interfacing with wiimotes Jun 26 20:02:49 unknown_lamer: I bet Jun 26 20:02:50 hmm I was pondering setting up a wiimote with the gamepad thing for MAME Jun 26 20:02:56 Pyrasi: are you that dude? from the youtube vids? Jun 26 20:03:11 oh...no. But we made a game based on his ideas Jun 26 20:03:19 nuclear_eclipse: thanks to kerberos I also get passwordless ssh and imap :-) and, if I found a jabber client that did gssapi, jabber as well Jun 26 20:03:29 Pyrasi: ah, ok, cool Jun 26 20:04:43 unknown_lamer: I just use ssh keys ;) Jun 26 20:05:50 nuclear_eclipse: those get to be a pain versus kinit clinton@HCOOP.NET / now every network service is authenticated securely Jun 26 20:06:22 I'm sure ssh keys would be more of a pain for a set of users lager than me :P Jun 26 20:06:37 * unknown_lamer wonders if openafs works on ARM Jun 26 20:07:15 oh :-( no arm client booooo Jun 26 20:08:54 clinton? Jun 26 20:09:24 my username Jun 26 20:09:33 ah Jun 26 20:28:30 2.5g how fast is that? Jun 26 20:28:34 slow Jun 26 20:28:54 will max out at 80k, likely speeds around 50-60k Jun 26 20:29:25 bit or byte? Jun 26 20:29:34 bit Jun 26 20:29:48 ouch Jun 26 20:29:56 kinda slow then yeah Jun 26 20:30:14 Personally, I got 5.6K on a 5G download. Jun 26 20:31:19 Actually no, it was 1G Jun 26 20:41:06 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r5522028bfa60 10/ (framework/framework framework/framework-cli setup.py): framework: rename the command line interface to work around import errors Jun 26 20:41:06 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * ra3d3b4717aea 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/gsm/channel.py: ophoned: running the lowlevel init stub is always successful Jun 26 20:42:43 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07jan-sierra * r5522028bfa60 10framework/ (framework/framework framework/framework-cli setup.py): framework: rename the command line interface to work around import errors Jun 26 20:42:43 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07jan-sierra * ra3d3b4717aea 10framework/framework/subsystems/ophoned/gsm/channel.py: ophoned: running the lowlevel init stub is always successful Jun 26 20:42:44 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07jan-sierra * r74e8ea7f5a36 10framework/framework/subsystems/ophoned/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Add a sierra wireless modem Jun 26 20:42:45 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07jan-sierra * rf2f1d5fbc863 10framework/framework/subsystems/ophoned/modems/sierra/ (channel.py modem.py): Some test for sierra Jun 26 20:53:43 hrm. I have invalidated the topic by receiving a Freerunner in the post this morning Jun 26 20:53:57 How did you order? Jun 26 20:54:11 poll: how many people here hate johnl? Jun 26 20:54:13 ;) Jun 26 20:54:21 at least a hundred Jun 26 20:54:25 hehe Jun 26 20:54:31 doc|work: I'm waiting for gta03, anyway Jun 26 20:54:33 lol Jun 26 20:54:43 doc|work: Until then I'll make do with my gta01 Jun 26 20:54:59 i didn't quite mean to troll Jun 26 20:55:13 johnl: How did you order your FR? Jun 26 20:55:19 * johnl strokes his freerunner Jun 26 20:55:28 Some people got some a few weeks ago, at one particular university Jun 26 20:55:32 Tig| has one too. we're partners in troll crime. Jun 26 20:55:35 johnl: hehe, we're joking, mostly >:( Jun 26 20:55:45 just ordered it from a supplier here in UK Jun 26 20:55:54 wurp2: I can confirm I recieved mine this morning from truebox in the UK Jun 26 20:55:57 johnl: wow, nice! Jun 26 20:56:43 omg Jun 26 20:56:46 can post a pic if needed :) Jun 26 20:56:55 Tig|, will you be wearing clothes? Jun 26 20:56:57 "pics or it never happend" Jun 26 20:56:58 man...i cant wait Jun 26 20:56:59 * nuclear_eclipse likes pics Jun 26 20:56:59 Openmoko store still not open Jun 26 20:57:00 call one of us on it :) Jun 26 20:57:02 Tig|: sure! (pants necessary) Jun 26 20:58:02 wurp2: iirc, the openmoko store will only open once the distr in fremont, cali gets their shipment... Jun 26 20:58:53 Man...id be really happy if they went on sale tomorrow instead of next week....im going on a roadtrip with my girlfriend tomorrow night and may not have access to the net for a week or so......man ill be angry if they sell out before i can grab one Jun 26 20:59:46 in other news, I haven't gotten any openmoko mailing list emails since I changed DNS Jun 26 20:59:50 nameservers for my mail server Jun 26 21:00:09 anyone know why that might be? Jun 26 21:01:08 are we supposed to have them then or what? Jun 26 21:01:19 that doesnt make sense to me o.O the listserv shouldnt care what your dns is Jun 26 21:01:21 are your dns servers working properly, they may be failing a reverse look up Jun 26 21:01:22 * johnl gets an ebay account Jun 26 21:02:08 Tig|: I'm receiving mail from every other outside source, including other (non moko) mailing lists.... Jun 26 21:03:19 it appears that the freerunner is impossible to photograph Jun 26 21:03:25 lol Jun 26 21:03:42 someone just posted pics to the community mailing list Jun 26 21:04:02 i want one too =( Jun 26 21:04:13 doc|work: TADDAAA : http://da.mned.co.uk/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=104 Jun 26 21:04:36 apologies had to use shitty sony phone then laptop would not talk to it Jun 26 21:04:47 Tig|: You missed a great opportunity for a goatse Jun 26 21:04:54 * nuclear_eclipse congratulates Tig| Jun 26 21:04:54 haha Jun 26 21:04:56 true true :) Jun 26 21:05:07 but next time :P next time :) Jun 26 21:05:09 Tig|: that shot is lacking any female nakedness Jun 26 21:05:11 something in that screenshot about not wearing clothes...what? Jun 26 21:05:12 man...im at work....that woulda gotten me in trouble =P Jun 26 21:05:21 Tig|: very nice :) Jun 26 21:05:47 Tig|: xchat? Jun 26 21:05:55 nuclear_eclipse: yep Jun 26 21:06:38 are they booting out the box or need a flash? Jun 26 21:06:49 nuclear_eclipse: aye :) Jun 26 21:06:54 Tig|, johnl: I'm very interested in any battery life figures (while suspended), gps fix times, or reports on the headset sound quality :-) Jun 26 21:07:08 zedstar: they boot using the gtk image from around april Jun 26 21:07:14 I second the headset sound quality Jun 26 21:07:25 wurp2, as soon as I stop dicking around with it and actually use it, sure! Jun 26 21:07:30 they send and recieve calls and texts Jun 26 21:07:31 lol Jun 26 21:07:39 * johnl waits for the 3rd image flashing to finish Jun 26 21:07:46 tig ah ok...good not like the neo that needed to be flashed first Jun 26 21:07:53 * nuclear_eclipse wishes the US had them already.... Jun 26 21:07:54 I have flashed mine to todays snapshot from the download on openmoko.com Jun 26 21:08:14 yea...haha....when i got me neo i was just confused.....kernel panic otb! awesome! Jun 26 21:08:30 nuclear_eclipse: we are closer, i suppose it depends if you fly east or west :) Jun 26 21:08:35 i've managed to get the microsd card adapter thing stuck in my laptop. Jun 26 21:08:42 not sure if I can blame openmoko for that though Jun 26 21:08:49 ha Jun 26 21:08:49 haha Jun 26 21:09:02 Are there daily build images for the ASU? Jun 26 21:09:03 muppet :) Jun 26 21:09:18 < Tig|> they send and recieve calls and texts Jun 26 21:09:29 miracles never cease! a phone that can make calls and sms Jun 26 21:09:31 next few days gonna be interesting in irc i think when the traffic increases Jun 26 21:09:38 bricode: dunno. the builds on the .com site are still gtk as far as I know :) Jun 26 21:09:53 zedstar_: indeed. i havent been in here in many months Jun 26 21:09:57 they are def not the ASU Jun 26 21:10:00 Tig|: what's the difference between the official builds and scaredycats'? Jun 26 21:10:01 Tig|: Yeah, I know. Just got the latest one from buildhost. Jun 26 21:10:06 man, I hope they don't release it soon. I don't have all the money for the 10 pack together Jun 26 21:10:12 Tig|: today's snapshot runs? Jun 26 21:10:17 scardeycat's have more apps included Jun 26 21:10:22 nuclear_eclipse: dunno, not tried his yet :) Jun 26 21:10:24 apps and patches Jun 26 21:10:31 ok Jun 26 21:10:40 * doc|work wants :( Jun 26 21:10:46 * nuclear_eclipse wants too Jun 26 21:10:50 wurp2: yep :) made calls and texts on it and running atm :) Jun 26 21:10:51 * zash WANTS! Jun 26 21:11:00 how do the calls sound? Jun 26 21:11:06 nuclear_eclipse: Scaredycat's got mapping software on them. Jun 26 21:11:12 I want to see what a web browser looks like on it Jun 26 21:11:12 cool Jun 26 21:11:14 Pyrasi: sounded fine :) Jun 26 21:11:17 Tig|: Excellent! The 2007.2 builds were pretty badly busted for a while Jun 26 21:11:36 doc|work: tried the browser but not got networking working on it yet so was a tad pointless :) Jun 26 21:11:36 wow, I'm glad I bitched about my DNS and the mailing list; I just got a message from the moko list! Jun 26 21:11:46 Tig|: there's a browser?! Jun 26 21:12:00 there was one on the neo Jun 26 21:12:03 oh Jun 26 21:12:05 . ScaredyCat's releases also have a bt keyboard connector, a little config app for sound, usb mode, etc. and a thing to let you switch clock mode Jun 26 21:12:06 doc|work: Browser's there, but needs some work. Jun 26 21:12:10 bricode: cool Jun 26 21:12:24 Tig|: Networking required quite a bit of hacking for me Jun 26 21:12:27 doc|work: not on the shipped image but on latest snapshot yes Jun 26 21:13:05 what was the new openmoko store address? i cant remember Jun 26 21:13:11 (on the 1973... I have no idea what the status is on FR, but I don't think it would be much different) Jun 26 21:13:12 wurp2: well I can make a simple tcp connection over usb easily I was more interested in the wifi Jun 26 21:13:20 Tig|: ah Jun 26 21:13:22 asu shows some promise. Jun 26 21:13:24 Tig|: oh yeah, duh Jun 26 21:13:28 I was thinking gprs Jun 26 21:13:39 not tried that yet :) Jun 26 21:13:43 * doc|work really wants :( Jun 26 21:13:44 unusuable right now but is gonna rock I reckon, from messing about with it for a bit Jun 26 21:14:00 be interesting to get some more TTF gps values Jun 26 21:14:07 go outside in the rain please now ;) Jun 26 21:14:09 tempted to go into the orange shop tomorrow and ask them to help me set up my data connection :P Jun 26 21:14:22 zedstar: bugger off :) it is pissing it down :) Jun 26 21:14:34 if you have the gtk os installed, download tangoGPS for it.....he did a really good job with it Jun 26 21:14:34 tig i know im in uk also ;) Jun 26 21:14:42 I will have a go tomorrow if you want :) Jun 26 21:14:51 Pyrasi: navit is nice too, once you set up the maps Jun 26 21:15:01 Pyrasi: already done that :) also been using it on the eee :) Jun 26 21:15:34 Pyrasi: If navit would stop altering the .xml format they use, and setup a service to download maps, and cache map images, it would blow tango away Jun 26 21:15:38 wurp2: I tried navit on the eee and the interface was all over the place god knows what it would be like on a neo Jun 26 21:15:53 Tig|: How do you mean all over the place? Jun 26 21:15:55 Tig|: Hard to use? Jun 26 21:16:09 yeah lots of windows that needed to tile together Jun 26 21:16:10 wurp2, http://maps.navit-project.org/download/ Jun 26 21:16:20 im hoping to interface with navit when i get mine....wana make a car app that can display gps directions and play music via an FM transmitter to the radio Jun 26 21:16:27 or have I got two packages mixed up Jun 26 21:16:28 KaZeR: Yeah, but it needs to be an option to do it automatically Jun 26 21:16:44 and take incoming calls and forward them to the car speakers and/or bluetooth headset Jun 26 21:16:49 wurp2, like, download as you drive? Jun 26 21:16:50 Tig|: navit is one window on the neo Jun 26 21:16:54 KaZeR: Yeah Jun 26 21:16:59 Like tango Jun 26 21:17:06 Tig| I've installed navit on my GTA01v4 and work quite well Jun 26 21:17:23 (just a bit slow) Jun 26 21:17:26 wurp2, i wonder how well it would work, since freerunner doesn't have 3G.. Jun 26 21:17:33 Pyrasi: one quicky as it were, TangoGPS will work fine on the ASU too as although some of the apps are QT GTK is still available Jun 26 21:17:56 KaZeR: Well, tangoGPS works OK over gprs. Sort of OK, anyway... Jun 26 21:18:00 wurp2: ooo must be different then :) cool :) Jun 26 21:18:08 diego: thanks, will give it a try :) Jun 26 21:18:13 oh cool. so all the GTK apps still run well on ASU? Jun 26 21:18:21 just skinned weird i imagine? Jun 26 21:18:25 KaZeR: tango is usable, if u download tiles before going out home :D Jun 26 21:18:31 KaZeR: I would think navit's files should be smaller for the same amount of area, except when you're zoomed way out Jun 26 21:18:33 wurp2, yes, but it only downloads a raster image. navit needs more informations Jun 26 21:18:34 well not tested here but everything I have read says yes Jun 26 21:18:41 diego, hehe, then it's the same with navit :) Jun 26 21:18:55 no Jun 26 21:19:07 I've the maps for Italy in 10Mb Jun 26 21:19:14 for tango? Jun 26 21:19:16 KaZeR: well, in a way it's more (more information) but tango downloads pngs, which are a lot more data for the same amount of info Jun 26 21:19:36 I haven't compared the navit .bin file size to tango's pngs Jun 26 21:19:42 wurp2, depends also of datas for search structures Jun 26 21:20:01 for tango i have more 100Mb only for same area around my home, the more distant place is 30km away Jun 26 21:20:04 does anyone know the url of the openmoko store? I cant remember what it was. Jun 26 21:20:14 www.openmoko.com Jun 26 21:20:16 :D Jun 26 21:20:21 KaZeR: True, but I can tell you the navit .bin for the Dallas/Fort Worth area is far smaller than the tango PNGs for zoom level 15 of DFW Jun 26 21:20:27 oh Jun 26 21:20:28 wow Jun 26 21:20:49 haha....i didnt realize they had changed the main page from the old interface......thanks xD Jun 26 21:21:40 wurp2, ah. US. tiger aren't detailed as some european countries. miss a tag which tell to which state a town belongs for example Jun 26 21:22:06 btw, freerunner is for next week right? Jun 26 21:22:13 perhaps Jun 26 21:22:20 uh Jun 26 21:22:55 KaZeR: 2 ppl here already got theirs Jun 26 21:22:57 :-) Jun 26 21:22:58 whenever it makes it to Fremont, Cali, that's when the US store will open Jun 26 21:24:00 wurp2, directly from store as tester? or as real customers? Jun 26 21:24:11 via reseller :) Jun 26 21:24:13 KaZeR: Real customers, from a reseller Jun 26 21:24:18 KaZeR: Tig| and johnl Jun 26 21:24:24 :-o Jun 26 21:24:30 Tig|, where do you live? Jun 26 21:24:34 UK Jun 26 21:24:38 KaZeR: see topic ;-) Jun 26 21:25:02 ah interesting. i live in france. Jun 26 21:25:06 Tig|, how usable is it? Jun 26 21:25:20 (probably been asked a dozen of times.. sorry ;) ) Jun 26 21:25:57 shipped image makes and receives calls fine :) same as text messages Jun 26 21:26:05 haha, we're like celebrities Jun 26 21:26:24 seems stable but the interface is odd at first until it just clicks :) Jun 26 21:26:26 anyone want to buy an openmoko signed by Tig? Jun 26 21:26:38 we're just desperate for something to distract us until we get our own :P Jun 26 21:26:40 until is just clicks? Jun 26 21:26:43 johnl: damnit should have negotiated royalties :P Jun 26 21:26:58 johnl, same reseller? have an url? Jun 26 21:27:05 truebox.co.uk Jun 26 21:27:10 thanks Jun 26 21:27:15 might need a www Jun 26 21:27:47 they are out of stock atm but have ordered more according to the webpage Jun 26 21:27:50 * zash does not like www-subdomains Jun 26 21:28:14 http://johnleach.co.uk/photography/random/openmoko/ Jun 26 21:28:16 Tig|, until is just clicks? what does that mean? Jun 26 21:28:20 I wonder how many they shipped out Jun 26 21:29:02 johnl: nice :) Jun 26 21:29:24 johnl, how satisfying in daily use is it? Jun 26 21:30:47 tbh, barely used it yet Jun 26 21:31:03 the gtk interface just seemed whacked to me at first Jun 26 21:31:11 then suddenly it kinda clicked Jun 26 21:31:23 and is actually very clever Jun 26 21:31:50 ok thanks Jun 26 21:32:16 not seen qtopia working on it yet. tried asu, which looks like it's going to be great. Jun 26 21:35:51 johnl: Qtopia downloads are still shut down, afaik. They had a licensing issue and turned off downloads until they work it out. Jun 26 21:36:27 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r6c9749e62bb9 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ophoned: remove duplicated class NetworkRegisterWithProvider Jun 26 21:37:15 wurp2, ah. doh. bad juju already! Jun 26 21:37:31 right. tangogps time methinks. Jun 26 21:38:30 johnl: right I installed it but did not get a gps fix (presumably as I was not going out in the rain :P ) and you need a net connection on the phone for the maps :) Jun 26 21:38:35 Setup tangogps to save to /media/card/wherever, make that dir Jun 26 21:38:51 Tig|, still no wireless for me. you? Jun 26 21:39:02 not tried properly yet Jun 26 21:39:27 I got distracted by the games folder and working out how to do a slash in terminal Jun 26 21:39:29 TimRiker: then work out how to setup the GPSd to start - look on the tangogps website for something to start gpsd Jun 26 21:39:42 Tigthen work out how to setup the GPSd to start - look on the tangogps website for something to start gpsd Jun 26 21:40:00 Tig|: You can also find your rough area on tangogps and tap, then select "map download" Jun 26 21:40:27 i don't actually even know how to install stuff on this yet. better go read the wiki Jun 26 21:40:29 it is ok I worked it out. there is a button in tangogps to start it but have been trying to use it as a user rather than a geek so far :) Jun 26 21:41:00 johnl: opkg install - no UI for it afaik :-( Jun 26 21:42:27 blah....no one on here lives around Kentucky, USA do they? We need 2 more people for the group sale.....quick Jun 26 21:42:55 Tig|: yhes - that doesn't mean it will in fact work Jun 26 21:43:15 SpeedEvil: aye :) will test tomorrow when it is not raining :) Jun 26 21:45:10 Tig|: I think you should be able to cat /tmp/nmeaNP to see if the GPS is active Jun 26 21:45:44 Tig|: When you get a FIXGPGLOR line or something similar it means it has found a fix, but any output should mean the GPS is awake & looking for satellites Jun 26 21:46:15 That assumes that the Freerunner gps feeds to /tmp/nmeaNP by default... Jun 26 21:46:58 It doesn't Jun 26 21:46:59 I was going to telnet the gpsd port and wait for sane info but there are many ways to skin a cat :) Jun 26 21:47:03 It's on ttySAC2 Jun 26 21:47:06 Or is it 1 Jun 26 21:47:11 maybe 0 Jun 26 21:47:12 Tig|, with navit there's a demo vehicule you can use to emulate a gps Jun 26 21:49:16 Are people still using /tmp/nmeaNP on the GTA01? I had better luck with the +pty mode Jun 26 21:49:29 Tig|: I'm not sure how tango reads the gps... if you see that the gps has a fix but tango doesn't see it, symlinking from ttySAC? to /tmp/nmeaNP may make it work... Jun 26 21:49:45 What is the +pty mode? :-) Jun 26 21:50:00 you can cat /dev/ttySAC1 Jun 26 21:50:08 wurp2: no idea if gps actually got a fix :( will test tomorrow if it is not raining :) Jun 26 21:50:11 mmontour: I use /tmp/nmeaNP for some scripts Jun 26 21:50:13 After you've turned the GPS on Jun 26 21:50:31 SpeedEvil: yep, not even I missed that bit :) Jun 26 21:50:34 mmontour: And whatever dbus uses for some others Jun 26 21:50:35 Tig|, can't you test with something like xgps? Jun 26 21:50:52 test what? that tangogps works? it will Jun 26 21:50:54 Just cat /dev/ttySACwhatever Jun 26 21:50:54 gllin has various modes, it can output to a pipe (like /tmp/nmeaNP but you can give your own), to a pty, socket and whatnot Jun 26 21:50:57 wurp2: It uses a symlink /tmp/nmeaPTY -> /dev/pts/4 Jun 26 21:51:11 balrog-kun: yeah - but he's got a FR - AIUI Jun 26 21:51:24 And then you can tell gpsd to read from /tmp/nmeaPTY Jun 26 21:52:01 erk : dma2: channel has nothing loaded Jun 26 21:53:13 i like how you guys are so keen to play with this you're playing with it by proxy, heh Jun 26 21:53:59 it is almost cybersex for some lol Jun 26 21:54:48 well feck knows what happened but I just got a screen of dma2: channel has nothing loaded when I plugged it in this time Jun 26 21:55:02 I have been playing though so prolly screwed something up Jun 26 21:55:24 also this is not the worlds most reliable machine I am plugging it into :) Jun 26 21:55:42 New hardware isn't very exciting for me right now - I like my '01 just fine. Stable software with all the amenities I've gotten used to in the GTK would make me happy, though. Jun 26 21:56:11 s/GTK/2007.2 platform/ Jun 26 21:56:11 wurp2 meant: New hardware isn't very exciting for me right now - I like my '01 just fine. Stable software with all the amenities I've gotten used to in the 2007.2 platform would make me happy, though. Jun 26 21:56:26 Tig|, power saving? i think i got that coming out of suspend one time. not sure though Jun 26 21:57:06 I don't think it was in powersaving when i plugged it in Jun 26 21:58:34 but I know one thing, even with it's quirks it is damn more reliable than that sony w380i i got to tide me over, and that is on it's second replacement Jun 26 22:00:33 i've never had a phone that was fun to use and stable Jun 26 22:00:43 one or the other would do me fine tbh, heh Jun 26 22:01:36 ok, now to get this puppy on the internet Jun 26 22:10:08 hi - can anyone tell me what kind of SD card the new freerunner will take? Jun 26 22:10:26 ajbrun: micro ;-) Jun 26 22:10:32 up to 32G Jun 26 22:10:46 there's no 32GB ones out now though? Jun 26 22:11:16 ajbrun: As I understand it, 8 are, and work. 32 are the same standard, and 'should' work. Jun 26 22:11:23 64 will need a new kernel. Jun 26 22:11:27 Or module at least. Jun 26 22:12:15 i want to order the free runner from somewhere, but i'm going on holiday on friday, so i doubt i'd get it in time :( Jun 26 22:14:10 has a UK price been released for the official openmoko shop? Jun 26 22:14:27 ajbrun: you might want to look at this thread regarding SD-card problems on GTA02: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/003500.html Jun 26 22:14:46 cheers Jun 26 22:14:51 ajbrun: I saw 272 pounds Jun 26 22:15:16 funky - same as here https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=Openmoko Jun 26 22:16:35 ajbrun: that is where I ordered mine from :) Jun 26 22:17:10 Tig| - i guess they're sold out now? Jun 26 22:17:21 didn't see an online order form - just that they were getting more Jun 26 22:17:50 i've not really been 'about' for the past few month, so i guess the software is better than a while ago now? Jun 26 22:18:15 ajbrun: you had to use the contact form to express an interest, I think they are out of stock at the moment but are ordering more Jun 26 22:18:19 ajbrun, yeah sold out, but they said they'd be getting more. Jun 26 22:18:51 I find it rather annoying that there was no message on any list saying 'you can buy' Jun 26 22:19:08 hmmm - i'm off to dorset for the weekend tomorrow. If they say they have one in atm, i might pop in on the way Jun 26 22:19:11 (though I'm not in a position to ATM) Jun 26 22:19:23 SpeedEvil, i only found out from tig. dunno how he found out. an ouija board perhaps. Jun 26 22:20:24 ajbrun: I would say the sw is worse now than a couple of months ago :-( Jun 26 22:20:31 I read on community ages ago that truebox were going to be a reseller and punted a message via their website which said "send us a message if you are interested" :) Jun 26 22:20:45 why would the software be worse? Jun 26 22:20:48 However, I've heard good things about today's 2007.2 release. No comprehensive reporting on it, though Jun 26 22:20:54 Well, they abandoned 2007.2 to work on ASU Jun 26 22:20:56 Does anyone know if canada uses 850, or 900? Jun 26 22:21:06 But ASU isn't ready, so both have been broken for a while Jun 26 22:21:24 2007.2 ? Jun 26 22:21:34 but is the phone still useable as a phone? Jun 26 22:21:36 2007.2 = the gtk platform Jun 26 22:21:42 I assume that is the GTK yes? Jun 26 22:21:47 ajbrun: yep :) Jun 26 22:21:54 ajbrun: I lose gsm once or twice a day :-( Jun 26 22:22:09 good - so long as i can phone and text, i can play about with the rest Jun 26 22:22:10 As I said, though, today & yesterday's release may be a different story Jun 26 22:22:17 np Jun 26 22:22:22 well not had mine a whole day yet so.... Jun 26 22:22:24 how's the battery performance? Jun 26 22:23:13 d3vice: no idea yet sorry :( best to give it a few days use to get any real world figures Jun 26 22:23:19 ok Jun 26 22:23:24 Does anyone text regularly with the 2007.2 sw? The UI feels really clunky to me Jun 26 22:23:52 is the gui's response good? Jun 26 22:23:56 but did not drain flat in an hour or so :) lots of juice in there Jun 26 22:24:51 the ui response is sometimes a bit iffy but on the whole good, but this is the gtk image i am running here not the long term goal which is the ASU Jun 26 22:25:31 Does anyone know if the ASU UI response is snappy? Jun 26 22:25:54 wurp2, yes. i found it better than the gtk one Jun 26 22:25:58 johnl: over to yo Jun 26 22:26:05 smoother animations. very quick to respond. Jun 26 22:26:11 johnl: that's a relief :-) Jun 26 22:26:16 woot Jun 26 22:26:22 though the whole thing is just black and white. no icons either. Jun 26 22:26:32 cept for a bright green selector thing Jun 26 22:26:33 ??? Jun 26 22:26:39 SpeedEvil: Canada is 850 Jun 26 22:26:40 this was the may release. Jun 26 22:26:44 weird Jun 26 22:26:53 http://downloads.openmoko.org/asu/ Jun 26 22:26:54 johnl: You have a gta01 too? Jun 26 22:26:59 same in a qemu vm tbh Jun 26 22:27:06 no. just this gta02 Jun 26 22:27:08 Or just installed the may release on your FR today Jun 26 22:27:13 I see Jun 26 22:27:45 Time for me to go home... congrats on your new Freerunners, guys! I hope we'll see you in here later this week :-) Jun 26 22:27:57 aye :) ttfn :) Jun 26 22:28:20 bye! Jun 26 22:28:34 congrats. like we achieved something. Jun 26 22:28:42 * ajbrun hopes he can nab one tomorrow Jun 26 22:28:45 i just waved my credit card around a bit and it came through the post Jun 26 22:29:00 aye :) Jun 26 22:29:27 I did the same, I waved your credit card arou..... erm Jun 26 22:29:57 haha Jun 26 22:30:34 so, is gta03 or 04 in the works? Jun 26 22:31:20 d3vice: of that thou shalt not speak Jun 26 22:31:27 d3vice: give them a chance they are only just getting gta02 out the door! Jun 26 22:31:35 * ajbrun hopes he's getting paid tomorrow too... Jun 26 22:31:36 d3vice: probably depends on if they sell enough gta02s :) Jun 26 22:32:42 Tig|, am I missing something obvious or are there very little settings dialogues Jun 26 22:32:44 i.e: none Jun 26 22:33:00 well I have not found one yet :) Jun 26 22:33:16 wait Jun 26 22:33:16 surley there's SOME settings? Jun 26 22:33:24 found it :) Jun 26 22:33:35 vi is on there :) :) :) Jun 26 22:33:39 hahaha Jun 26 22:34:21 * johnl can't find how to make dots or slashes in the terminal Jun 26 22:34:40 * Tig| gave up and copy pasted them Jun 26 22:35:08 * Tig| also sshed into the thing over usb as it was less painful :) Jun 26 22:35:55 ah, just figuring out how to do that Jun 26 22:36:53 * Tig| points at the getting started documents on the wiki :) Jun 26 22:37:43 yeah, following Jun 26 22:37:45 ta Jun 26 22:38:19 heh. that was easy. Jun 26 22:38:25 yep :) Jun 26 22:38:40 *ANY* phone that runs ssh by default makes my happy Jun 26 22:38:40 oh and the kitty cat still loves the laser pointer Jun 26 22:38:45 :) Jun 26 22:38:55 ha. all my cats are too asleep to care about laser pointers Jun 26 22:39:03 I still maintain that the stylus is poo Jun 26 22:39:50 What basis do you have for that? Jun 26 22:39:53 I think the batteries are running out here :) Jun 26 22:39:54 Smelly fingers? Jun 26 22:40:56 PermBan, it's bigger than the device. probably weighs as much. Jun 26 22:40:56 PermBan: well it is a bit cheap and nasty especially compared to the freerunner which arrives in a very chic black box Jun 26 22:41:04 and has a torch and a laser in it. Jun 26 22:41:07 seriously Jun 26 22:41:10 a torch and a laser. Jun 26 22:41:40 and a biro Jun 26 22:41:42 * johnl looks for the source code for the laser Jun 26 22:41:55 * johnl is excited about sshing into his phone Jun 26 22:42:07 A torch? Hah Jun 26 22:43:23 tsk. blank root password by default. Jun 26 22:43:34 I know Jun 26 22:44:01 no iptables Jun 26 22:44:30 listening on 0.0.0.0 Jun 26 22:44:40 * d3vice acts like a kid and says: Jun 26 22:44:46 where's the camera? Jun 26 22:45:00 portmap?!?!?!?!?!?!?1 Jun 26 22:45:00 no point in phone camera imo Jun 26 22:45:01 d3vice: not one on this hardware version Jun 26 22:45:08 all the pics they take are pants Jun 26 22:45:10 why is it running portmap?! Jun 26 22:45:16 nfs? Jun 26 22:45:21 haha Jun 26 22:45:22 rpc? Jun 26 22:45:35 * johnl stores his address book on an nfs share Jun 26 22:45:58 so I can change phones and keep the same contacts. Jun 26 22:46:18 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko#Future_devices <----- for whoever mentioned GTA03 Jun 26 22:46:39 wait a sec, what other phone can read nfs? Jun 26 22:46:55 Tig|, the gta03! Jun 26 22:47:05 ah Jun 26 22:47:27 bed for me now Jun 26 22:47:30 night Jun 26 22:47:34 off camping tomorrow - YAY Jun 26 22:47:35 nn Jun 26 22:47:39 * Tig| smacks johnl around the head with a rolled up roadmap Jun 26 22:47:43 nn ducky Jun 26 22:51:49 johnl: gta03?! you mean the navigation device? Jun 26 22:55:15 * johnl is playing music on it now Jun 26 22:55:23 out of one speaker for some reason Jun 26 22:55:44 it is mono speaker now :(# Jun 26 22:55:54 meh, not too pushed about speakers Jun 26 22:56:02 ah. np. will be using headphones anyway Jun 26 22:56:06 yep Jun 26 22:56:09 just has a grill for another it seems Jun 26 22:56:17 nor here have a samsung ogg player :) Jun 26 22:56:18 gtk media player is hilarious. Jun 26 22:56:39 lots of squares to press that do random things. Jun 26 22:56:50 somehow managed to stop the music though. phew. Jun 26 22:59:00 speaker is really good quality considering Jun 26 23:01:58 * doc|work wants :( Jun 27 00:59:55 Any other freerunner owners around? Jun 27 01:04:31 Great, I'm so out of the loop I found out the Freerunner is out by seeing it on lwn.net. I really have to catch-up on the 3000+ email backlog of the community mailing list... Jun 27 01:08:05 cesarb: I'm not sure how "out" it is - it wasn't out when lwn.net put the ad up Jun 27 01:08:12 It was "out" to the resellers Jun 27 01:08:29 The first reports here of regular consumers getting freerunners was today Jun 27 01:09:27 johnl: The older theme actually has icons for the buttons on the media player :-) Jun 27 01:10:12 wurp2|away, heh yeah. i assumed so. just kinda funny. me bumbling about something as simple as a music player. Jun 27 01:10:19 wurp2|away: well, it's near enough to "out" then Jun 27 01:10:35 i just installed the latest qtopia packages using opkg, but am wondering how to switch to it Jun 27 01:10:37 or run it Jun 27 01:11:06 wurp2|away: and I haven't even finished making cpufreq work for everything on gta01 yet... Jun 27 01:11:49 looks like it's confured to start in Xsession.d, so a reboot my coerce it Jun 27 01:14:08 johnl: Can you even do that? The 2007.2 release isn't compatible with qtopia afiak Jun 27 01:14:19 cesarb: Don't stop just because the Freerunner is out! Jun 27 01:14:38 wurp2|away, gonna see :) Jun 27 01:14:46 wurp2|away: I won't stop... it's just that I have to play catchup even more :( Jun 27 01:14:50 wurp2|away, the packages were just available. Jun 27 01:15:10 wurp2|away: (I have some utterly untested cpufreq code for the gta02 already, in fact) Jun 27 01:15:14 I'm not sure how they distinguish (or if) between ASU and 2007.2 release Jun 27 01:15:24 cesarb: I thought I remembered you saying something like that Jun 27 01:15:35 cesarb: Someone should have sent you one :-) Jun 27 01:16:46 wurp2|away: ASU? Jun 27 01:16:59 april (august?) software update Jun 27 01:17:05 The EFL stuff Jun 27 01:17:22 You *have* been away ;-) Jun 27 01:17:32 wurp2|away: never heard of that... I'm really out of the loop :P Jun 27 01:17:54 They stopped supporting 2007.2 (I'm pretty sure, anyway) and started working on an "interim" solution so they'd have better sw when the FR went on sale Jun 27 01:18:09 Running Qtopia on X11, so they can mix the Qtopia dialer w/ OM apps Jun 27 01:18:13 wurp2|away: are they still on 2.6.24 or will I have to rebase again? Jun 27 01:18:15 IMO it's a cluster fuck Jun 27 01:18:20 2.6.24 Jun 27 01:18:40 wurp2|away: thanks for the info ;-) Jun 27 01:18:46 yw Jun 27 01:19:00 2007.2 was badly broken for the last 6 weeks or so Jun 27 01:19:08 This week I've heard it's a lot better Jun 27 01:19:18 but apparently the theme doesn't have the mediaplayer icons in it Jun 27 01:19:37 I had to switch to a ScaredyCat release Jun 27 01:19:47 You should take a look at freesmartphone.org, though Jun 27 01:20:03 The new architecture (dbus) and zhone sample app look really promising Jun 27 01:20:25 They seem to have stable phone w/ suspend & resume (& stable resume on call) Jun 27 01:21:00 And apparently the lower level stuff supports muxing & sms with a nice dbus interface Jun 27 01:21:28 I say supports muxing, I'm pretty sure it always runs muxed, so you can start a gprs session whenever and it just gets interrupted if you get a call Jun 27 01:21:54 So is anyone else here running GTA02s? Jun 27 01:22:41 Dave: johnl is Jun 27 01:22:58 Tig| is too, if he's still here Jun 27 01:23:39 Alright. Jun 27 01:24:09 I gather not many others have GTA02s, and I've already got some mysterious questions with the few I'm playing with. Jun 27 01:24:57 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rcc2e9c6da875 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: up efl srcdate for fixes to alginment usage in scrolledview and other Jun 27 01:25:30 Dave: Yep, as far as I know end customers only started getting theirs today Jun 27 01:25:40 And I think that's just from 1 or 2 resellers Jun 27 01:26:27 mah Jun 27 01:26:52 Yeah, we got a shipment here early from the manufacturers for testing. Jun 27 01:27:02 cesarb: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework Jun 27 01:27:13 not getting very far with qpe. just lots of quicklaunchers sat doing nothing Jun 27 01:27:35 yay! qpe! Jun 27 01:27:39 gpsd is being finicky. Jun 27 01:27:43 I'm away again - g'night everyone Jun 27 01:27:55 Any apparently has a couple mysterious new package conflicts. Jun 27 01:28:02 s/Any/and/ Jun 27 01:28:02 Dave meant: and apparently has a couple mysterious new package conflicts. Jun 27 01:28:24 raster, reckon I should be able to install the latest gtk daily image, then install the qtopia packages using opkg and have a good time? Jun 27 01:28:49 which qtopia packages>? Jun 27 01:28:53 the asu x11 ones Jun 27 01:28:54 ? Jun 27 01:29:22 there are a bunch listed in the opkg list, from the default repositories Jun 27 01:29:33 again - which ones? Jun 27 01:29:44 theres full qtopia on qws around Jun 27 01:29:51 and ones running on x11 Jun 27 01:29:52 I installed: qtopia-phone-x11 - 4.3.2+git1+8cf4803382bb7f64555143c59c3604ed70d42c5d-r30 - Qtopia OpenSource Jun 27 01:29:58 i have no idea what is in the repositories Jun 27 01:30:01 ahk Jun 27 01:30:02 nm then Jun 27 01:30:08 ok thats on x11 Jun 27 01:30:13 it wont work (well) with matchbox Jun 27 01:30:22 so u'll need a different wm to handle the softmenu for example Jun 27 01:30:26 or no wm at all Jun 27 01:30:35 if u want it to vaguely work ok Jun 27 01:30:36 ah. i killed off matchbox from the Xinit and just dropped qpe in there, ha. Jun 27 01:30:49 big bodge Jun 27 01:31:45 looks like the packages are actually missing from the repository anyway Jun 27 01:32:08 maybe a local problem. Jun 27 01:32:12 i'm prettttty tired. Jun 27 01:32:20 uggh the qtopia-x11 build is terrible Jun 27 01:32:32 all the freerunner excitement has kept me up Jun 27 01:32:50 oh yeah the new matchbox is such an improvement, the past on the gta02 was unbearable as far as the input modules were concerned. Jun 27 01:32:57 johnl :) Jun 27 01:33:29 right, heh. build of 25th June here and working pretty well Jun 27 01:33:31 Johnl, for the first time I got the GPS working last night at 2AM, and ran down the block squealing with it in hand, as I watched my velocity increase, and my position change :) Jun 27 01:33:39 So I can understand ;) Jun 27 01:33:41 lol Jun 27 01:33:53 it's raining here. i'd kill too many snails. Jun 27 01:34:02 Disappointingly, after many updates this morning, I was unable to get it to function again on the same device today :( Jun 27 01:34:09 johnl, hah! Jun 27 01:35:00 know a way to get a querty keyboard with gtk image? Jun 27 01:35:28 YES Jun 27 01:35:37 Thankfully, sheesh. Jun 27 01:35:41 Dave, so how come you got a GTA02 btw. they seem to be few and far between Jun 27 01:35:45 oh cool. tell tell plz. Jun 27 01:36:52 Johnl, read up as far as your first question :) Jun 27 01:37:04 I believe I vaguely alluded to that aspect. Jun 27 01:37:27 As far as the keyboard is concerned did you see OM wiki page on Switching Keyboards? Jun 27 01:37:51 testing, right. Jun 27 01:38:03 me and tig just bought ours from a UK distributor. arrived this morning. Jun 27 01:38:04 We order a large shipment, and got them first :P Jun 27 01:38:09 ordered Jun 27 01:38:16 no, missed that wiki page. will look now ta. Jun 27 01:38:25 Ah, excellent. Jun 27 01:38:37 Yeah it's SO nice to not be entirely input inhibited. Jun 27 01:40:06 johnl, if you are truly excited, I'll link you to several more resources that may jumpstart your fun-filled night of openmoko'ing :) Jun 27 01:40:29 haha, gfi. though I will have to postpone until tomorrow really Jun 27 01:40:42 Falling asleep? Jun 27 01:41:09 bah Jun 27 01:41:14 No distributers in the US yet Jun 27 01:41:17 heh Jun 27 01:42:31 up in the morning to work. it is 0240 here Jun 27 01:42:45 Yep Jun 27 01:42:56 Dave: do we assume you are *not* an unnanounced distributor :-) ? Jun 27 01:43:17 Sorry to disappoint, no I am not, despite my plethora of GTA02s. Jun 27 01:43:32 np :-) Jun 27 01:43:53 an archeologist or something then :) Jun 27 01:44:00 Currently testing and developing for OM platform. Jun 27 01:44:03 hah! Jun 27 01:44:06 I read that article :P Jun 27 01:44:09 hehe Jun 27 01:44:10 Dave: private / company / institution ? Jun 27 01:44:15 lol Jun 27 01:44:15 EDU Jun 27 01:44:20 'k Jun 27 01:44:23 animal vegetable mineral Jun 27 01:44:27 haha Jun 27 01:44:30 lol Jun 27 01:44:41 a/s/l Jun 27 01:44:41 e) All of the above ? Jun 27 01:45:35 At last though I got one of the people I work with to setup a build system in the lab for OM images. Jun 27 01:45:59 So we can roll our own, [less crippled] STABLE builds. :P Jun 27 01:47:31 * Dave grumbles about default values and boot issues, and reflashes. Jun 27 01:47:58 * johnl grumbles about non-working wireless applets Jun 27 01:48:13 * johnl taunts cat with stylus laser pointer Jun 27 01:48:38 cat is as unimpressed as me with the stylus Jun 27 01:49:57 can't find this wiki page on keyboard input changing :/ Jun 27 01:50:07 any clues Dave? Jun 27 01:54:23 johnl: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards Jun 27 01:54:25 :] Jun 27 01:54:33 wtf. Jun 27 01:54:34 It's nice to have a qwerty keyboard :) Jun 27 01:54:38 the wiki search is poo Jun 27 01:54:55 haha, funny because google search for OM's wiki it stellar. Jun 27 01:54:56 thanks Jun 27 01:54:57 ;) Jun 27 01:55:00 yep! Jun 27 01:55:00 lol Jun 27 01:55:08 oh yeah someone yell at the cacao people Jun 27 01:55:10 didn't think of that. told you i was tired. Jun 27 01:55:23 their packages are behind the rest of the community! Jun 27 01:55:53 johnl, after playing with the phones for a couple weeks and trying different images and builds Jun 27 01:56:34 many of the bugs I have found, whether subtle, stupid, or just plain funny has provided some nice aggravation and hilarity. Jun 27 02:06:07 Hah, well I suppose for the time being I just have the spammed community lists and myself to complain to then, don't I, dvarnes? :) Jun 27 02:06:58 keyboard works!! Jun 27 02:07:01 ta Dave Jun 27 02:07:05 small un though Jun 27 02:07:28 Yeah, I know Jun 27 02:07:57 Did you try swapping orientations? - It would be nicer if it could be temporarily enlarged for a single given field of input at a time :) Jun 27 02:08:32 actually i'm already getting used to it in tiny mode Jun 27 02:08:33 weird. Jun 27 02:08:44 even with my fat fingers Jun 27 02:09:27 hehe Jun 27 02:09:39 You don't like using the nifty composite pen stylus? Jun 27 02:10:18 no. already moaned about that. it weighs more than the phone does. Jun 27 02:10:24 I personally adore it, it's quite a fine pen... that, and without it, input for the touch screen would be far more troublesome. Jun 27 02:10:28 hahaha Jun 27 02:10:34 keyboard doesn't get any bigger in other orientation Jun 27 02:10:37 Oh boo hoo. Jun 27 02:10:41 haha Jun 27 02:10:51 Yeah I know, I was stating wouldn't it make sense and be nice if it did, though? :) Jun 27 02:11:19 heh Jun 27 02:11:20 ok Jun 27 02:11:22 i must go to sleep Jun 27 02:11:33 * Dave sends johnl SIGTRANQ Jun 27 02:11:41 Goodnight ;) Jun 27 02:11:42 Dave: ? Jun 27 02:11:52 ta for help, night all. Jun 27 02:12:55 haha, SIGTRANQ Jun 27 02:12:56 xD Jun 27 02:13:34 huhu Jun 27 02:14:00 Good for putting one or more users to sleep for an unspecified amount of time >:) Jun 27 02:14:15 woo unspecified Jun 27 02:14:29 * Dave puts his bag of signals back in his desk drawer. Jun 27 02:24:12 "Some resellers have shipped Freerunners" does that mean they were shipped their FR's or are they shipping in stock FR's to customers? Jun 27 02:24:44 to customers. A few people got them today. Jun 27 02:25:52 so how are they for sound quality? Jun 27 02:26:16 * Dave rolls his eyes Jun 27 02:26:31 what! Jun 27 02:27:00 My advice: wait a couple months for driver and app support to further first. Jun 27 02:27:10 Generally speaking, with regards to every aspect of the GTA02. Jun 27 02:28:31 well if it works as a phone, i'll get one now and wait for apps and updates Jun 27 02:28:49 yep! Jun 27 02:28:55 Then by all means, go for it! Jun 27 02:29:03 By then, you can even test out our apps! Jun 27 02:29:09 Oh snaps, speaking of which... Jun 27 02:29:12 * Dave rebuilds Jun 27 02:29:53 at a point one must put his money where his mouth is and support the idea of open source products Jun 27 02:30:32 and they look cool as sh*t! :) Jun 27 02:31:18 haha, I can assure you they do. Jun 27 02:31:41 You have one now? Jun 27 02:31:51 I changed my primary development GTA's startup sound and splash screen to QUAD DAMAGE this morning, for kicks, haha Jun 27 02:32:05 railer, yeah. Jun 27 02:32:25 well how do they sound pjhone wise? Jun 27 02:32:34 fine Jun 27 02:32:50 though I almost always use a bluetooth headset, with any of the phones I use. Jun 27 02:33:02 ya Jun 27 02:33:09 Though I have tested it, and the sound quality of the phone itself is fine, though of course, varies on a number of things. Jun 27 02:33:23 If you are refering specifically to the quality of the internal speaker, it's alright :] Jun 27 02:34:00 yes, as you said the software will upgrade, but if the hardware sucks, you're SOL Jun 27 02:34:24 no the hardware is so great that there's pretty much no applications for much of it yet Jun 27 02:34:27 :P Jun 27 02:34:44 So this is why people are scrambling with development apps, demos, and whoring repos Jun 27 02:34:46 Dave: the biggest problem on GTA01 is that the person on the other end of the call would hear an echo of their own voice from the Neo. Jun 27 02:35:11 then again, it hasn't even been officially released to the public yet, is my understanding, so, it somewhat understandable ;) Jun 27 02:35:21 AH YES, the feedback issue, yeah Jun 27 02:35:22 It seems to vary from call to call - sometimes people report that it sounds fine, other times that it's very annoying Jun 27 02:35:34 mmontour: actually we already had someone test the microphone on the thing Jun 27 02:35:46 I recall that issue now, yes Jun 27 02:35:51 right Jun 27 02:36:02 well are they [one or both] on speaker, or not? Jun 27 02:36:22 also, don't but high power magnets on or near your GTA02 Jun 27 02:36:28 you can take my advice on that, already :P Jun 27 02:36:38 why? Jun 27 02:36:49 what happened? Jun 27 02:36:56 hahaha Jun 27 02:36:58 It can screw power supplies. Jun 27 02:37:00 fun? :D Jun 27 02:37:02 I think kdean06 has done the most testing. I don't know if any were speakerphones. In my own experience it's been to another cell phone (mine, and my GF's, both with a bad echo) Jun 27 02:37:07 depending on what you consider amusing or devastating. Jun 27 02:37:19 Hey Speedevil ;) Jun 27 02:37:40 I lost a LCD backlight to that. Jun 27 02:37:44 Fridge magnet. Jun 27 02:37:50 heh yeah Jun 27 02:37:54 weak sauce Jun 27 02:38:03 how the hell could it screw the power supply? Jun 27 02:38:11 apparently our homemade high-gain Wifi antennas have super-duper magnets on the bottoms Jun 27 02:38:13 SSaturates inductors. Jun 27 02:38:22 kaboom.... zzzzt Jun 27 02:38:25 Causes explosions. Jun 27 02:38:30 fun, yet disappointing. Jun 27 02:38:32 Right. Jun 27 02:38:36 Ouch! Jun 27 02:38:38 The loss of a device. :| Jun 27 02:38:38 oh ya i have a 4 magnet combo Jun 27 02:39:11 railer, well I didn't realize it since I rarely move the things, but there's about three or four stuck to each table in our lab :) Jun 27 02:39:19 can hold a satellite dish moded for wifi Jun 27 02:39:44 ok no magnets Jun 27 02:39:47 I was about to set it down, then I sense it drawing quickly towards the phone and I quickly reconsidered my placement :P Jun 27 02:39:50 heehee Jun 27 02:39:53 Railer, absolutely! Jun 27 02:40:02 You nailed my second pet project of the winter :] Jun 27 02:40:12 It's great too Jun 27 02:40:28 I just want to write cribbage and nethack for it Jun 27 02:40:40 but driving around with it on top of your vehicle can attract rather unsavory attention :P Jun 27 02:40:43 haha Jun 27 02:40:58 2 miles to a source though Jun 27 02:41:03 not a problem! :D Jun 27 02:41:25 9 bars from a mile away Jun 27 02:41:25 depends on a number of factors, though bumping the gain that's about the range of mine, given line-of-sight. Jun 27 02:41:57 also have external wifi 1 watt Jun 27 02:42:01 hah Jun 27 02:42:06 1.21JW? Jun 27 02:42:44 whats that? Jun 27 02:42:50 jiggawatts :p Jun 27 02:43:07 a standard unit of amusement in engineering :] Jun 27 02:43:14 hehe Jun 27 02:43:51 couple years of EE back in the 80's Jun 27 02:44:43 know just enough about electronics and rf to be dangerous Jun 27 02:45:04 rofl Jun 27 02:45:45 I ready my soldering iron! Jun 27 02:46:33 EE RPG, anyone? Jun 27 02:46:38 went into computers don't do much soldering and more, but got my cordless in the tool box Jun 27 02:47:56 to a EE the world is a RPG, Maguyver everything Jun 27 02:49:19 i need new toy Jun 27 02:50:02 :D Jun 27 02:50:11 too many fanboys with iphones around here Jun 27 02:50:12 Railer, have you considered a GTA02? ;) Jun 27 02:50:15 :P Jun 27 02:50:18 Agreed. Jun 27 02:50:45 Fuck them and their leopard-specific sdk. Jun 27 02:51:01 lol Jun 27 02:51:12 * Sonicadvance1 doesn't own an iphone Jun 27 02:51:26 there's only so many times you can say, "Oh you have a iphone, ipod and a mac.... I did know you were Gay?" Jun 27 02:51:28 hell, AT&T doesn't even have a store around here Jun 27 02:51:57 Then again, how many of the local provider stores does AT&T actually own? ;) Jun 27 02:51:58 heh Jun 27 02:52:04 none Jun 27 02:52:13 Where do you live, Albania? Jun 27 02:52:17 Nebraska US Jun 27 02:52:27 oh, alright Jun 27 02:52:29 close enough :P Jun 27 02:52:33 Pretty much Jun 27 02:52:34 yeehaw Jun 27 02:52:45 smells like T-mobile country Jun 27 02:52:54 3 cell phone providers around here, US cellular, Altell, and Viaero Jun 27 02:52:56 that, and Moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Jun 27 02:53:03 nice :) Jun 27 02:53:08 Viaero being the only GSM provider Jun 27 02:53:36 GSM Rogers/Fido Jun 27 02:53:37 y so is tmobile a good choice? Jun 27 02:54:09 or at&t better? Jun 27 02:55:05 why arnt the resellers on the distro map? Jun 27 02:55:10 I just want to get VOIP going, that is where this phone could really shine, once that's possible I know about 100 guys ready to change over Jun 27 02:55:19 did t-mobile didn't bend over to wiretapping without warrants? Jun 27 02:55:26 sweet :] Jun 27 02:55:27 You won't. Jun 27 02:55:32 Bring the community to cow country! Jun 27 02:55:44 VOIP won't work over a 2s latency GPRS link. Jun 27 02:55:49 Well - it will - but ... Jun 27 02:55:50 heh Jun 27 02:56:06 SpeedEvil, aww, don't shatter the poor boy's dreams so quickly :) Jun 27 02:56:12 yes Jun 27 02:56:25 no wifi g Jun 27 02:56:31 Well - there is the wackiness of data over voice coded data. Jun 27 02:56:36 where are those retailers located? Jun 27 02:56:43 Which can be done, but is horrible,. Jun 27 02:56:52 no usa? Jun 27 02:57:06 not over cell lines over wifi, that should be doable Jun 27 02:57:07 still on the boat? Jun 27 02:57:28 fell off the truck? Jun 27 02:57:35 ;) Jun 27 02:58:02 Driver had to take a big dump, so it's 15 days behind Jun 27 02:58:03 Stuck in customs while Homeland Security installs the remote wiretapping chips :) Jun 27 02:59:07 Well, look at the bright side, maybe they'll replace the glamos with the wiretapping chips. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 27 02:59:56 2008