**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 30 02:59:56 2008 Jun 30 03:00:16 huh...that seems odd... Jun 30 03:00:25 The GTA01 and GTA02 both use the exact same GSM, even the same firmware in the GSM -- so the experience of GTA01 users should be entirely the same. Jun 30 03:01:08 juri_: once it was associated how was stability Jun 30 03:01:14 And, indeed, I see the same "chatter" with AT&T on the GTA01 as I do on the GTA02, it's just that I don't have a usable ASU image for the GTA01 to test that. Jun 30 03:01:44 stability is fine in northwest arkansas. in dallas, it would de-associate while setting on a desk, and become useless. Jun 30 03:03:05 juri_: : what about 800 vs 850 mhz .... do you think that might have been an issue in Dallas? Jun 30 03:03:19 mwester-trip: modulo that GTA01 owners have significantly older firmware, and users cannot upgrade on their own. Jun 30 03:03:29 i have no idea, and didnt have a way to check. Jun 30 03:03:36 s/have/may have/ Jun 30 03:03:36 SpeedEvil meant: mwester-trip: modulo that GTA01 owners may have significantly older firmware, and users cannot upgrade on their own. Jun 30 03:03:38 SpeedEvil: that is a fair point; Jun 30 03:04:27 What carrier, juri_ ? Jun 30 03:04:48 mwester: atnt. Jun 30 03:05:32 i was in dallas on vacation and all hell broke loose back home. i ended up losing QUITE a bit more than the value of my phone over it. Jun 30 03:05:53 Ok. They seem to be more circumspect about their towers and infrastructure; I managed to find the location and supported bands for the several T-mobile towers around me, but not a thing on AT&T. Jun 30 03:09:39 well, unless you've modded your GTA01 for 850mhz, I'd assume that the 02 would *potentially* be better....depending on your area. Jun 30 03:10:01 how much logging will the GSM module do? Jun 30 03:14:54 also, has anyone run into problems with carriers not wanting to allow the device/IMEI on their network? Jun 30 03:17:01 MadTBone: with GSM, that should not usually be a problem. Jun 30 03:17:24 As to logging - as far as I'm aware there is no actual logging done by the modem. Jun 30 03:17:37 You can poll it for information, and record that. Jun 30 03:18:16 And there may be historical data available through undocumented commands. Jun 30 03:21:44 SpeedEvil: that's basically what I meant....is it to get info about the connection from the modem....particularly regarding the reasons for association trouble...or is the NDA and closed nature of the module standing in the way? Jun 30 03:21:56 ...is it easy... Jun 30 03:22:09 juri_: That's wild... I live in Dallas (well, Dallas metroplex), and travel frequently to Northwest Arkansas Jun 30 03:22:51 I also lose my network registration every several hours Jun 30 03:23:32 I haven't noticed that it doesn't happen in NW AR, but I don't use my 01 much as a phone up there Jun 30 03:31:24 wurp2: what brings you to town? walmart, just like everyone else? :P Jun 30 03:31:45 all my 'dallas' testing was really at the adams mark, which is now a sheriton, or whatever. Jun 30 03:31:54 * juri_ was down there for AKON! Jun 30 03:32:57 My family lives around Fayetteville Jun 30 03:33:12 I spent quite a bit of my childhood in that area Jun 30 03:33:37 I am doing software contracting to Southwest Airlines right now, living in Arlington Jun 30 03:34:03 I think the loss of network registration is something that comes & goes with the different releases Jun 30 03:34:30 i've never lost registration here in NWA. Jun 30 03:34:31 For several weeks there it never happened, then it came back, somewhere around the 4/15 codebase Jun 30 03:34:50 I rarely use my phone for other than gps & internet in NWA Jun 30 03:35:19 And it often goes dead up there (battery), because I'm always travelling from place to place Jun 30 03:35:22 my phone plan charges me $5 a meg. i don't use internet as a result. :) Jun 30 03:35:40 I bought the unlimited AT&T media plan Jun 30 03:35:59 After the first time I used up $160 in accumulated GoPhone in 2 weeks :-) Jun 30 03:36:08 ($10 a meg) Jun 30 03:36:08 wow. :) Jun 30 03:36:30 yea. gophone here too. they must have dropped the price, after gouging you. :) Jun 30 03:36:30 I was never gonna use that money for talk time anyway... it really wasn't any loss Jun 30 03:36:57 It's just a way for them to make it look expensive for me to drop my no-contract phone plan for another carrier :-) Jun 30 03:37:00 I get charged $14/meg. But It's capped at $2/day :) Jun 30 03:37:02 Are you in college? Jun 30 03:37:13 i've got a meg on mine, for 'emergency bandwidth'. Jun 30 03:37:27 nope. never could afford it. Jun 30 03:37:40 i'm from here. and my family wasn't quite poor enough. Jun 30 03:37:53 insert rant here. :) Jun 30 03:38:02 Ah, I just figured that's why someone with a gta01 would be in NWA Jun 30 03:38:30 no, i took the 'policy of truth' swearing in when i was young. i only write open source software. Jun 30 03:38:33 Actually, I think almost anyone can get loans enough to cover it, and it will more than pay for itself in maybe 6-8 years if you go for Comp Sci... Jun 30 03:38:50 career suicide. :) Jun 30 03:39:01 Well, don't do that Jun 30 03:39:07 no. :) Jun 30 03:39:20 some people make a career out of open source :) Jun 30 03:39:23 I mean, open source is great, and I wish I could make a good living writing only OSS, but I can't Jun 30 03:39:32 its a moral point. i only use free software, i only write free software. the world can move, cause i'm not gonna. :) Jun 30 03:39:39 True, as russellb says you could go for a job w/ OM Jun 30 03:39:55 lots of open source companies out there ... Jun 30 03:39:59 i sent an email a few days ago. :P Jun 30 03:40:14 So... it would be immoral to make more money doing something you love for 40 hours, then contribute just as much OSS in your free time? Jun 30 03:40:17 once the openmoko was available, it became my responsibility to use one. Jun 30 03:40:25 yes, it would. Jun 30 03:40:38 i have strict moral codes. :) Jun 30 03:40:44 I disagree, obviously Jun 30 03:41:01 as a result, i've been unemployed for 5 months now. :/ Jun 30 03:41:15 but, i've written a lot of documentation during that time, and learned a whole lot. Jun 30 03:41:38 right now i'm trying to make my way through a 900 page book on assembly. Jun 30 03:41:39 NWA is not the best place to get good work... or at least it wasn't 14 years ago when I last tried Jun 30 03:41:58 wurp2: i had success fighting the opensource only fight in walmart, for a while. Jun 30 03:42:11 pulled in $75K last year, doing only open source.. then the bottom fell out. Jun 30 03:42:40 Very nice - I'm surprised you could do that, especially in AR Jun 30 03:42:41 theres only one open source company in the area.. and they want me to write closed source software. i have NO respect for them. Jun 30 03:43:36 wurp2: i ran a helpdesk installing linux based wireless routers in walmarts. and wrote my own tools to do the job. Jun 30 03:44:10 sounds cool! Jun 30 03:44:20 it was. now, its over. :/ Jun 30 03:44:33 I've had a project I've been wanting to do w/ wireless linux routers Jun 30 03:44:35 walmart changed policy reguarding contractors this year. and i won't work directly for them. Jun 30 03:44:53 i'm running a municipal wireless system in fayetteville, still. Jun 30 03:45:24 so, i'm done with the area. i'm trying to move to the pacific northwest. i'm tired of arkansas cooking me. :) Jun 30 03:45:41 Hah! Try Dallas :-/ Jun 30 03:45:42 juri_: come to cali...we need more crazy people like you Jun 30 03:45:54 when ANB bank colapsed, they took $14K of my earnings with them. that hurt. Jun 30 03:45:59 We are trying to move to Zurich Jun 30 03:46:05 juri_: uh, wtf? Jun 30 03:46:12 Aren't they FDIC insured? Jun 30 03:46:19 juri_: was not it FDIC insured? Jun 30 03:46:23 Or is this a matter of them owing you paychecks? Jun 30 03:46:26 its a long story. :) Jun 30 03:46:41 yea, its owed paychecks, from one of their customers.. whos now going under. Jun 30 03:47:03 * juri_ curses the name of bill underwood. Jun 30 03:47:09 oh, yeah, then you're probably screwed Jun 30 03:47:10 yeah, I always make sure I get paid in 2 week increments, if they do not...I am out of there Jun 30 03:47:37 The last rinky-dink place I contracted with had screwed one of my friends out of 3 months of earnings Jun 30 03:47:44 i didnt really care during the year. i was so busy tieing down the other %75K in earnings.. when that dried up, i tried to get these guys to level.. then the bank blew up. Jun 30 03:48:07 So my contract with them dictated 2 week pay increments, with 2 business days after I submitted the invoice to have the money in my bank Jun 30 03:48:08 i went from four jobs at once, to unemployed within *two weeks*. Jun 30 03:48:30 juri_: telling ya...come to cali...business is good Jun 30 03:48:43 juri_: though its not all open source Jun 30 03:48:43 goodwill: its on my careerbuilder list. :P Jun 30 03:48:54 i'm an opensource only kinda person. :) Jun 30 03:49:22 i actually passed my phone interview with the FSF.. then someone volunteered to do the job i was applying for for free. pesky volunteers. :) Jun 30 03:49:48 California seems just a *bit* expensive Jun 30 03:50:02 juri_: yeah, but I when I do contract...I convert people to open source, then use a bit of of the pay for donations to OSS Jun 30 03:50:14 not that I had a contract job recently Jun 30 03:50:32 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r52c02259f98b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: up to 0630 for date of efl - should fix eet issue? i can't reproduce here at Jun 30 03:50:33 i'm happy to help with supporting infrastructure, while replacing it. Jun 30 03:50:36 it is expensive Jun 30 03:50:49 i'm not quite that picky. i converted a local financial services company that way. Jun 30 03:51:02 point in place my current place..half the dev is now on ubuntu Jun 30 03:51:11 as long as they're fine with converting, and don't fight too much. :) Jun 30 03:51:18 when I manage to convert the other half, I'll ask them to donate a bit Jun 30 03:52:18 and I knwo they will want support contracts for the servers Jun 30 03:52:23 i don't typically ask for donations. i just try to get more opensource engineers on hand. :) Jun 30 03:52:32 slow but stedy Jun 30 03:52:34 steady Jun 30 03:53:41 i worked myself out of a job at the financial services company. opensourced their infrastructure, made changes and got them submitted to upstreams.. so they replaced me and two other techs with one real loser. :P Jun 30 03:53:56 he's doing so much damage, they deserve it. :) Jun 30 03:54:30 we went from a growth rate of 5% a month to .. well, they've lost about 1/5th the buisness in the last 5 months. :) Jun 30 03:54:41 I believe in karma...and last week I saw it happen Jun 30 03:55:07 one of my ex employees..the morons who were ruining the companies got tehir come upance Jun 30 03:56:17 thats always nice to see. :) Jun 30 03:56:54 you should like work for ubuntu or red hat or something Jun 30 03:57:09 ex employees=ex employers Jun 30 03:57:14 applied for redhat. they don't want me, don't ask why. Jun 30 03:57:28 i'm not sure if i like ubuntu enough. :P Jun 30 03:57:46 well its you chance to help chnage them your way Jun 30 03:57:48 i'm a debian user. i don't have much respect for offshoots. they seem lazy. :) Jun 30 03:57:50 open source zealots can actually be a pain at an open source company Jun 30 03:57:56 when it comes down to it, the mission is to make money Jun 30 03:58:04 and sometimes zealots have a hard time accepting that Jun 30 03:58:20 hense, why my career is really helpdesk or sysadmin. Jun 30 03:58:26 not to say that you would be that way, just speaking from experience a bit, heh Jun 30 03:58:33 being a developer helps a lot, and dosent get in the way of making money. Jun 30 03:58:45 i'm not claiming not to be that way. :P Jun 30 03:58:47 * russellb nods Jun 30 03:59:29 * mwester is an equal-opportunity opportunist. Jun 30 03:59:43 i'm certainly a zealot. how i became that way.. well, its a long story. Jun 30 04:00:48 my moral stances are set nearly as high as RMSes. VERY career limiting. Jun 30 04:01:21 juri_: as long as you make your choices and know the consequences at least you are at peace with yourself Jun 30 04:01:29 When you have a family, with three kids to put through college, pragmatism tends to override principles; but even so, I saw and heard RMS once, and he scared me off. He sounded EXACTLY like the religous zealots I swore to avoid. Jun 30 04:01:40 goodwill: well put. :) Jun 30 04:01:51 So I doubt I'd follow his footsteps even if I had no responsibilities. Jun 30 04:02:03 mwester: a world needs zealots sometimes...lest we forget our ways Jun 30 04:02:31 i have no responsibilities. i've toned the zealotry down somewhat, compared to RMS. i'm more like RMS with some buisness sense. i hope anyways. :P Jun 30 04:02:40 Maybe. As long as everyone realizes that in many ways they serve as an example of "what NOT to do" Jun 30 04:02:47 i'm betting i made more money than he did last year. and i didnt violate his principles to do it. Jun 30 04:02:54 well, someone will always be the zealot. with the extremes, the extrems are just a bit less extreme. Jun 30 04:03:03 s/with/without/ ... Jun 30 04:03:08 RMS is the antipathy of business sense. Jun 30 04:03:27 emacs has a money-tree mode Jun 30 04:03:33 the question is not whether someone is a zealot...the question is whether they are forcing their zealotry on others Jun 30 04:03:41 good point. Jun 30 04:03:57 But let's please, please not discuss licensing here. Again. Jun 30 04:04:01 hahahah Jun 30 04:04:05 agreed. :) Jun 30 04:04:12 * juri_ laughs Jun 30 04:04:29 omg BSD for life! GPL is proprietary! Jun 30 04:04:53 * russellb runs Jun 30 04:05:02 lol Jun 30 04:05:03 and thank god for that. :) Jun 30 04:05:07 * juri_ runs farther. :P Jun 30 04:05:41 so, just to completely change the subject.. any of you heard of my pet project, openmosix? :P Jun 30 04:06:10 we have now Jun 30 04:06:53 ok, thats enough fun. back to assembly programming. :) Jun 30 04:07:39 juri_: yes, we have now :-P Jun 30 04:19:11 juri_: http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/ ??? Jun 30 04:19:48 alphabeat: I am pretty sure that was it Jun 30 04:23:42 port it to the freerunner, and call it openmokix or something! Jun 30 04:23:58 phoneclusters .. Jun 30 04:24:19 s/phone/mobile device / Jun 30 04:24:19 zash meant: mobile device clusters .. Jun 30 04:25:35 Shared memory over GPRS! It's the future! Jun 30 04:25:44 (at a rate of a nanosecond a week) Jun 30 04:27:22 not realy the same, but distributed earthquake-detection/-location/-warning systems could be interesting Jun 30 04:27:50 zash: how would that work? Jun 30 04:28:01 but i think that exists already, but could be suplemented by more nodes Jun 30 04:28:45 goodwill: most people have phones. if those phones have accelerometers ( like the neo(s?) ) you could probably increase accuracy Jun 30 04:28:55 and such Jun 30 04:29:05 zash: I doubt those acceleramoters are good enough for this Jun 30 04:30:52 but, would it hurt with extra data? Jun 30 04:31:13 only if its accurate data Jun 30 04:31:20 how do you tell the difference between someone running with the phone in their pocket and an earthquake? Jun 30 04:31:59 Vegar: wisdom of crowds Jun 30 04:32:19 1 node in a eq-like pattern = running or falling Jun 30 04:32:43 and to get usable data, you need to strap the phone to the ground Jun 30 04:32:45 100+ nodes in similar/same pattern and area would probably indicate eartquake Jun 30 04:32:51 or subway :D Jun 30 04:33:12 not sure u want openmosix for that Jun 30 04:33:21 openmosix is about making N computers seem as if they are one Jun 30 04:33:30 sharing memory and devices around Jun 30 04:33:44 raster: yea, thats why "06:27:21 < zash> not realy the same, but" Jun 30 04:33:45 all u want is some network protocols so share some specific pieces of information Jun 30 04:34:45 whenever I feel a bit down, I just go an play around with SCO's stock graphs Jun 30 04:35:09 i'm just saying things Jun 30 04:36:57 raster: thats actually a misnominer. Jun 30 04:37:04 common misunderstanding. Jun 30 04:37:31 openmosix makes all your computers look like one big computer.. to each node. we're not single-system-image. it just looks that way, from each node. Jun 30 04:38:04 hm, "9P-hone" Jun 30 04:38:06 kerrighed is a good example of 'real' SSI. Jun 30 04:38:45 (yay! i'm starting to understand parts of entry.S!) Jun 30 04:41:20 alphabeat: actually, i'm at linuxpmi.org. the 'real' openmosix project is dead, killed by its lead for *mumble mumble* reasons. Jun 30 04:44:00 juri_: that uses trac ;-P Jun 30 04:44:16 goodwill: as a wiki only. :) Jun 30 04:44:21 ag Jun 30 04:44:21 ah Jun 30 04:45:46 juri_: thats what i meant Jun 30 04:45:54 it looks like one big system Jun 30 04:45:57 from within the os Jun 30 04:46:02 i know its not 1 os image Jun 30 04:46:10 :) Jun 30 04:46:31 just making sure. linuxpmi(openmosix) is NOT SSI. :) Jun 30 04:46:51 you'd be amazed how many people get that wrong. Jun 30 04:46:57 i blame wikipedia. ;) Jun 30 04:50:31 then, why don't you remove it from the 'examples of ssi clustering systems'-list at wp? ;) Jun 30 04:50:59 i would concider that editing topics on my own project. Jun 30 04:51:07 which is bound to be bad. Jun 30 04:51:23 tho as such u'd be in trouble if qall the system images varied a lot Jun 30 04:51:27 all Jun 30 04:51:31 if i cannot educate someone else, and have them edit it, i'm not doing a good job educating, now am i? :) Jun 30 04:51:42 as the current host may not have the same tools/lib/resources Jun 30 04:51:44 actually, as long as the kernel is the same, no trouble at all. Jun 30 04:52:01 we redirect all filesystem access back to the origional node. Jun 30 04:52:03 last i checked al.l existing open files and sockets are procied back to the originating host Jun 30 04:52:26 but cant remember if ne open files or sockets also get transported via the originating host or get created locally Jun 30 04:52:39 all existing open fd's Jun 30 04:52:41 but new ones? Jun 30 04:52:47 of course they're transported home. Jun 30 04:52:52 and network too? Jun 30 04:52:55 yep. Jun 30 04:53:00 ok Jun 30 04:53:04 then u should be ok Jun 30 04:53:10 tyring to think of something that might break Jun 30 04:53:13 complete transparency is the idea. Jun 30 04:53:22 well cpu type would Jun 30 04:53:30 we intercept at the syscall level. and you can't do much damage there. Jun 30 04:53:35 eg a cluster with mixed 486 vs p4's Jun 30 04:53:37 :) Jun 30 04:53:45 trying to use mmx/sse on the 486 might bork Jun 30 04:53:51 oh certainly. we catch the cpu throwing an exception, and migrate back home in those cases. Jun 30 04:55:54 thats possible Jun 30 04:56:43 yukkie though Jun 30 04:57:12 unfortunately, we don't memorize those results. its on the TODO list, however. Jun 30 04:58:34 can I haz fone now? Jun 30 04:58:54 so, week of the 7th then, probably better seeing as my group sucks so much at actually giving me money Jun 30 05:07:48 doc: i hear ya. i'm a tenth of the way to how much i need to group buy Jun 30 05:08:04 doc|home: wrong name Jun 30 05:08:13 :) Jun 30 05:08:24 I've gotten three, picking up another tomorro Jun 30 05:08:27 +w Jun 30 05:16:24 doc|home: where are you at? Jun 30 05:16:34 goodwill: here Jun 30 05:16:35 :) Jun 30 05:16:48 I'm in vancouver, canada Jun 30 05:16:51 hmm Jun 30 05:16:54 nowhere near me Jun 30 05:16:55 you? Jun 30 05:16:59 LA, Cali Jun 30 05:49:20 Can anybody tell me if the bluetooth stack is currently useable enough to accept contact transfer from an other phone ? Jun 30 05:51:52 Ainulindale: Should be, it's regular bluez Jun 30 05:53:18 Ok, so now I'm happy, I've got something to do :-) Jun 30 05:54:39 I have a neo1973, is the preferred image the same as for the freerunner in general? Jun 30 05:55:21 I really just want to run debian on it as per scap.linuxtogo.com Jun 30 05:55:24 err Jun 30 05:55:24 org Jun 30 05:55:27 The preferred image is probably the fso image; it is available for both. Jun 30 05:55:51 The original gtk-based image is also pretty good, and works on both. Jun 30 05:56:03 ASU doesn't really work on either, in fact. Jun 30 05:56:08 Huhu :-) Jun 30 05:56:19 fso include illume? Jun 30 05:56:20 But it isnt' even being officially built for the gta01 Jun 30 05:56:28 No, fso is not illume Jun 30 05:56:36 That's ASU Jun 30 05:56:41 k Jun 30 05:56:51 whats illume? Jun 30 05:57:03 so...I'm screwed for having bought a developer's device? Jun 30 05:57:12 http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ <--- good info on the various images. Jun 30 05:57:24 jadams: are you a developer? then no. :) Jun 30 05:57:38 jadams__: well the rec page says the current device is for developer stage Jun 30 05:57:59 juri_: I'm a developer, indeed Jun 30 05:58:09 neo1973 was liek a hardcore dev device Jun 30 05:58:34 our company is intending to build a bit of a productline around the phones...basically sell them to our customers that want in-field automation of any sort Jun 30 05:59:03 I'm not sure it's mature enough... Jun 30 05:59:10 Ainulindale: we're waiting it out Jun 30 05:59:15 it's definitely not mature enough yet Jun 30 05:59:25 jadams__: If you're able to develop on it, though, could be your solution Jun 30 05:59:26 but I've been on board with the openmoko idea since the first time I heard about it Jun 30 05:59:34 But then it needs heavy tuning it seems :-) Jun 30 05:59:39 jadams__: cool stuff Jun 30 06:00:37 For my part I would like to do two things right now : be able to import contacts by bluetooth, and then build a client for Notes Jun 30 06:00:51 (because unfortunately my company uses notes) Jun 30 06:00:53 Depending on what you need to have running, it's possible to build the ASU image for the gta01; just have low expectations from the qtopia app and other supporting stuff. The core OS beneath is the same for all of them, and the libraries for X and all pretty much work. Jun 30 06:01:32 But I'd build to the FSO image; it may be less complete but it's the right framework. Jun 30 06:01:46 mwester: It sounds quite subjective :-p Jun 30 06:01:51 It is. Jun 30 06:01:59 mwester: fso is definately the way to go... Jun 30 06:02:06 I hesitated yesterday, downloading the makefile Jun 30 06:02:15 In the end I built OM2007.2 Jun 30 06:02:30 That's a good start. Jun 30 06:02:33 what does freerunner ship with? Jun 30 06:02:36 2007.2 Jun 30 06:02:47 ? Jun 30 06:02:49 Yep, I prefer to start than fumble around with things I don't know Jun 30 06:02:55 +about Jun 30 06:03:26 But I must say it's not really clear... Jun 30 06:03:33 Basically, FSO and 2007.2 will have a better chance of merging together than the Qtopia stuff from ASU. Jun 30 06:03:36 the "how to start" part is a bit hard :-) Jun 30 06:03:48 Choices all over the place, information is hard to find Jun 30 06:04:06 Did you read Mickey's blog entry? Jun 30 06:04:11 Yep yesterday Jun 30 06:04:13 Ainulindale: what do you need to know, I got some bits and pieces together after a week of sufering Jun 30 06:04:17 Very helpful Jun 30 06:04:24 goodwill: A simple entry point Jun 30 06:04:30 for? Jun 30 06:04:44 I downloaded the makefile, make openmoko-devel-image, etc. Jun 30 06:04:51 Now, what would be the best way to start ? Jun 30 06:04:59 How can i build a sane and efficient environment ? Jun 30 06:05:10 ok Jun 30 06:05:15 what do you want to build? Jun 30 06:05:20 qemu? Jun 30 06:05:22 And do simple things such as step by step debug Jun 30 06:05:35 I'm currently re-making because somehow it didn't build the image Jun 30 06:05:38 or do you have an actual device? Jun 30 06:05:53 I will have one this week Jun 30 06:05:58 right now I'm there : Jun 30 06:05:59 NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 6124 tasks of which 6088 didn't need to be rerun and 0 failed. Jun 30 06:06:02 NOTE: build 200806300759: completed Jun 30 06:06:34 But I must have missed something because I can't seem to find the image Jun 30 06:07:01 it should be in tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973 Jun 30 06:07:27 there is a prebuild version here: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2 Jun 30 06:07:45 Wow, a bit of a mess there. Jun 30 06:07:53 Seems it's there : build/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/om-gta01/ Jun 30 06:08:02 ah Jun 30 06:08:05 yeah Jun 30 06:08:08 thats more specific Jun 30 06:08:10 (I just prefer to build it myself) Jun 30 06:08:10 that too Jun 30 06:08:16 (Gentoo addict, I'm sure you'll understand) Jun 30 06:08:18 you using mokomakefile? Jun 30 06:08:20 Yep Jun 30 06:08:24 ok Jun 30 06:08:34 what command did you run? Jun 30 06:08:45 08:04:44 < Ainulindale> I downloaded the makefile, make openmoko-devel-image, etc. Jun 30 06:09:09 ok, that built the latest devel branch, not 2007.2 Jun 30 06:09:16 that can be totally unstable Jun 30 06:09:18 Yep I know that Jun 30 06:09:39 I'm fine with unstable right now, it's just in a "testing" kind of way for me Jun 30 06:09:50 As I intend to use it to try some things Jun 30 06:10:01 ok, now try: make falsh-qemu-local Jun 30 06:10:04 ok, now try: make flash-qemu-local Jun 30 06:10:16 I wasn't sure it was the right command Jun 30 06:10:21 That's why I didn't use it :-) Jun 30 06:10:33 that should flash the build image onto qemu Jun 30 06:10:38 Yep but nope :-) Jun 30 06:10:43 /home/ainu/moko/build/qemu/uImage-2.6.*-om-gta01.bin Jun 30 06:10:47 No such file or directory :-) Jun 30 06:11:03 Should a ls do the trick ? Jun 30 06:11:06 s/ls/ln/ Jun 30 06:11:06 Ainulindale meant: Should a ln do the trick ? Jun 30 06:11:16 what do you have in /home/ainu/moko/build/qemu Jun 30 06:11:23 hmmm Jun 30 06:11:25 actuall Jun 30 06:11:27 do Jun 30 06:11:30 make qemu-local Jun 30 06:11:37 that should build qemu Jun 30 06:11:46 Ok, will do. Jun 30 06:12:11 Kind of not self explicit in the documentation :-) Jun 30 06:12:23 I think a kind of "do it yourself" part is missing Jun 30 06:16:15 Ainulindale: I agree Jun 30 06:16:24 Ainulindale: it took a few days to get it all down Jun 30 06:16:52 But it's bound to be like that anyway Jun 30 06:17:02 So long as it's in a "intimate" phase Jun 30 06:17:08 at some point the process will get solidified Jun 30 06:17:14 I think with fso it will get easier Jun 30 06:17:21 I hope so :-) Jun 30 06:17:45 goodwill: But for the main developer who would like to start but isn't that keen on CLI, it's painful Jun 30 06:18:24 goodwill: I'm a gentoo-brainwashed-monkey, so I don't care, but I know people who would be quite indisposed by that kind of process Jun 30 06:18:31 mainly because at this point we suffered a bit with the rest Jun 30 06:18:36 Yep :-) Jun 30 06:18:49 main developer Jun 30 06:18:49 Same error Jun 30 06:19:02 /home/ainu/moko/build/qemu/uImage-2.6.*-om-gta01.bin: <= no such file etc Jun 30 06:19:04 Ainulindale: I am also a gentoo brainwashed monkey Jun 30 06:19:20 I guess it's because /tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973 <= no such file Jun 30 06:19:38 its not /tmp Jun 30 06:19:49 I omitted the .. Jun 30 06:19:56 ok Jun 30 06:19:59 But then seems like a path issue I saw something on the wiki about that Jun 30 06:20:06 what do you have in tmp/deploy/glibc Jun 30 06:20:41 ainu@calaquendi ~/moko $ ls build/tmp/deploy/glibc/ Jun 30 06:20:41 images ipk Jun 30 06:21:17 And in images, om-gta01 x86_64 Jun 30 06:21:18 go in images Jun 30 06:21:18 ls Jun 30 06:21:25 (got you) Jun 30 06:21:40 I'm lazy I think I will ln -s Jun 30 06:22:31 ok Jun 30 06:23:00 you can ln -s to /images Jun 30 06:23:14 Hmmm what is weird Jun 30 06:23:16 MACHINE = "om-gta01" Jun 30 06:23:19 move the openmoko folder there out of the way Jun 30 06:23:27 So I guess it's a makefile issue Jun 30 06:23:30 i have rebuild my moko environment, when i tried a sample package it is giving error like " (/bin/sh: bitbake: not found). can anyone help me in resolving this error?? Jun 30 06:23:34 The path must be hardwired Jun 30 06:23:47 kvk: install bitbake Jun 30 06:23:48 ? Jun 30 06:24:31 goodwill: yes, it is there Jun 30 06:24:32 Ainulindale: ratherfrankly I do not remember hwo I did it Jun 30 06:24:37 Ainulindale: I followed the wiki Jun 30 06:24:42 Ainulindale: I am trying to remember now Jun 30 06:25:52 Don't worry I'm not in a hurry, I'm at work and I should configure vnc in order to view qemu (not able to tunnel X) Jun 30 06:29:18 I followed the instruction here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile Jun 30 06:30:19 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r9e260b12105f 10/packages/efl1/edbus_cvs.bb: don't need efreet or ewl for edbus build. Jun 30 06:31:20 anyone used 2007.2 on neo1973? Jun 30 06:31:23 how is it Jun 30 06:31:34 goodwill: I followed the same instructions Jun 30 06:32:20 Ainulindale: honestly I'd have to redo it to remember Jun 30 06:33:01 Ainulindale: which I am planning to do...sometime this week, and write it down Jun 30 06:33:10 Well qemu-local ended, but the command it suggests me to do is kind of ... unavailable :-) Jun 30 06:33:19 i.e. arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm -M gta01 -m 130 -mtdblock openmoko/openmoko-flash.image -kernel openmoko/openmoko-kernel.bin -usb -show-cursor Jun 30 06:33:41 just doing a find right now Jun 30 06:34:42 make qemu should have do it Jun 30 06:34:47 built it that is Jun 30 06:35:15 Yep that's what I thought Jun 30 06:35:26 weird Jun 30 06:35:41 You tell me :-) Jun 30 06:35:48 Ainulindale: I am really looking forward to fso Jun 30 06:35:58 going to try to build it next week too Jun 30 06:36:13 Ah ! Jun 30 06:36:14 ./build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/qemu-system-arm Jun 30 06:36:27 and Jun 30 06:36:28 ./build/qemu/arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm Jun 30 06:36:31 I do nto have x86_64 Jun 30 06:36:37 maybe something is different Jun 30 06:37:07 It runs Jun 30 06:37:10 I don't have any display but it runs Jun 30 06:37:16 Now, vnc :-) Jun 30 06:37:21 Ainulindale: on gentoo you have to mod moko Makfile to look for mkdosfs in /usr/sbin Jun 30 06:37:34 or do a symlink in /sbin to it Jun 30 06:37:45 make run-qemu-vnc Jun 30 06:38:15 Is that a joke ? Jun 30 06:39:22 no Jun 30 06:39:57 Do you mean it exists ? =) Jun 30 06:40:16 yup Jun 30 06:40:24 look in the Makefile Jun 30 06:40:24 Coffee break, later Jun 30 06:43:09 * flexd drools at a FR Jun 30 06:44:13 flexd: you got one? Jun 30 06:44:57 No. Jun 30 06:45:00 Its not out yet is it Jun 30 06:45:35 yes it is Jun 30 06:45:41 if you are in like europe or asia Jun 30 06:45:49 Oh... Jun 30 06:45:57 its coming to the rest of us soon Jun 30 06:46:06 *cough* is looking at a DHL tracking page *cough* Jun 30 06:46:38 i'm* Jun 30 06:46:39 :) Jun 30 06:46:45 why you lil!!! Jun 30 06:46:46 ;) Jun 30 06:47:32 hehe Jun 30 06:47:48 It's sort of in the mail, in my country already \o/ Jun 30 06:48:08 *mutters* Jun 30 06:48:09 openmoko: 03zecke * r38cbd87d4c43 10/etc/themes/finxi/dialer.xml: [dialer] Do not set a background/colormap to get a better startup experience Jun 30 06:48:09 openmoko: 03zecke * r5a837bef676c 10/src/libraries/qtopia/qtopiaapplication.cpp: Revert "Revert "The ContextLabel was not updated for the "missed call" messagebox on qpe launch."" Jun 30 06:48:10 openmoko: 03zecke * r96a78f479699 10/src/libraries/qtopia/qsoftmenubar.cpp: [x11] Do not move the popup for X11 Jun 30 06:48:11 openmoko: 03zecke * r865944a51dec 10/src/server/phone/contextlabel/base/ (contextlabel.cpp contextlabel.h): [x11] Make sure we always release the key Jun 30 06:57:07 flexd: which country do you live in, out of sheer curiosity ? Jun 30 06:59:15 how do you change an ip address Jun 30 06:59:23 Norway Jun 30 06:59:32 hardcock: a bit of context would help Jun 30 06:59:47 though I suspect you are a troll Jun 30 06:59:59 on a windows xp without turning it off Jun 30 07:00:08 Right click your network connection Jun 30 07:00:17 e.g "Local Area ConnectioN" Jun 30 07:00:29 i use wireless Jun 30 07:00:42 Goto Properties Jun 30 07:01:20 Select TCP/IP in the little window that pops up (its usually at the bottom), press "Configure" or something like that (im on vista atm, cant show), and type in a ipaddress manually in the box that comes up Jun 30 07:01:45 hardcock: same thing, just select the wireless connection istead Jun 30 07:01:49 instead* Jun 30 07:02:39 Actually Jun 30 07:02:40 Read this Jun 30 07:02:41 http://www.murdoch.edu.au/itservicedesk/docs/Changing%20IP%20Address%20in%20XP%20with%20screenshots.pdf Jun 30 07:02:55 has anyone used tangoGPS here? Jun 30 07:02:58 It has screenshots and everything, only the #2 result n google, hard to find :) Jun 30 07:03:02 a real gem! Jun 30 07:04:01 flexd: I am pretty sure he is a troll Jun 30 07:04:16 there is not reason for someone with that nick to join openmoko and ask that Jun 30 07:04:21 that might be, but now he knows Jun 30 07:04:30 I work tech support, im used to people like this. Jun 30 07:04:49 http://www.tangogps.org/gps/cat/Screenshots Jun 30 07:04:56 My job mainly is walking into rooms and turning on either computers or projectors people claim do not work. -_- Jun 30 07:05:21 that sucks Jun 30 07:05:25 mhm Jun 30 07:05:26 been there, done that Jun 30 07:05:27 Im done now though Jun 30 07:05:50 Ive been a trainee for 2 years, just passed my exam (IT administration certificate thing) with max scores :) Jun 30 07:06:01 Oh a pair of boots Jun 30 07:06:08 So im on vacation until 4th august, and on the 7th im done in that job forever. Jun 30 07:06:12 \o/ Jun 30 07:06:21 my favorite story is how a person claimed the start key was not working...cause she typed in start on the desktop Jun 30 07:06:36 Ainulindale: congrats Jun 30 07:06:42 goodwill: do you happen to know if there's some kind of easy solution to emulate bluetooth traffic to qemu ? Jun 30 07:06:46 goodwill: haha Jun 30 07:07:02 nope...never got to that Jun 30 07:07:28 I'm amazed by the technology though Jun 30 07:07:47 I'm viewing qemu through vnc and my router, on a VPN with another computer, all encrypted twice Jun 30 07:07:48 I had someone walk into my office soooo stressed out Jun 30 07:07:52 Kind of useless, isn't it ? Jun 30 07:07:56 and i hate this woman, she stinks like a hobo Jun 30 07:08:04 and shes shouting at us for something not working Jun 30 07:08:09 and blaming us, and being generally pissy Jun 30 07:08:10 Ainulindale: I do know how to set up an ip...and install packages Jun 30 07:08:29 and i actually just tell her to shut up, and let us help her fix what she did Jun 30 07:08:33 Hmmm I lost the display it seems Jun 30 07:08:38 (i used those exact words, cause she was being mean) Jun 30 07:08:40 Oh no it was in background Jun 30 07:08:43 so we go up there Jun 30 07:08:49 neo_gsm_switch: GSM enabled. Jun 30 07:08:49 neo_modem_switch: Modem powered up. Jun 30 07:08:49 neo_modem_rst_switch: Modem reset. Jun 30 07:08:50 and i turn the projector on. Jun 30 07:09:17 Then i take out the cable, a VGA cable, shes jammed into the COM port Jun 30 07:09:27 no idea how, it doesnt fit. Jun 30 07:09:35 We had to get her a new cable, then it worked :/ Jun 30 07:09:51 hahaha Jun 30 07:10:06 Doesn't seem to get past what I pasted Jun 30 07:10:12 Oh, I didn't say that Jun 30 07:10:28 I'm supposed to wait pleasingly :-p Jun 30 07:10:37 And apparenty we're in july Jun 30 07:10:46 We are tomorrow Jun 30 07:10:48 Not that bad ;) Jun 30 07:10:49 And it's 07:10 Jun 30 07:10:54 flexd: 30th of july Jun 30 07:10:59 oh Jun 30 07:11:03 One month wrong still not bad Jun 30 07:11:06 and its probably GMT? Jun 30 07:11:10 that'd be around 07 Jun 30 07:12:56 So, I added a contact Jun 30 07:13:03 Now i would like to be able to emulate bluetooth traffic Jun 30 07:13:05 Ainulindale: wooohooo Jun 30 07:13:06 Let's get dirty boys Jun 30 07:13:29 Ainulindale: I suggest you set up an internet connection Jun 30 07:13:58 Yep, could be useful Jun 30 07:14:14 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/QEMU#Simple_network_connection_with_pppd Jun 30 07:15:57 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Jun 30 07:16:21 do not forget to /etc/init.d/iptables save Jun 30 07:16:30 cause that actually not part of that tutorial Jun 30 07:19:09 flexd: yeah I am really not sure how can somebody can jam vga into serial..it has a whole new row of pins Jun 30 07:19:41 yea Jun 30 07:19:49 stupid people should be licensed to use computers or somethig Jun 30 07:19:51 The pins and everything were just broken off Jun 30 07:20:03 she must have put her whole weight into it, i dont know Jun 30 07:20:32 argh Jun 30 07:20:36 Now im getting spam from the mailing list again Jun 30 07:20:45 spam? Jun 30 07:20:58 is it promossing to make you moko bigger ;) Jun 30 07:21:03 some spam company sent me mail directly to my email, with "me" named as "Logs.nslu2-linux.org" Jun 30 07:21:15 which is a OM host Jun 30 07:21:29 Obviously they have gotten my email from somewhere related to OM Jun 30 07:21:52 goodwill: now, how to launch a terminal... :-p Jun 30 07:22:09 do you actually have an keyboard interface on for example terminal or you have to use normal 'telephone like keypad' ? Jun 30 07:22:41 press the + down below Jun 30 07:22:48 switch to Applications inthe dropdown Jun 30 07:22:55 and scroll for terminal Jun 30 07:22:57 Yep i was there Jun 30 07:23:07 It took me 2 minutes to understand how to scroll :-p Jun 30 07:23:08 its a pain to type in it though Jun 30 07:23:16 scroll is exactly backwards Jun 30 07:23:23 and you have to hold it Jun 30 07:23:26 Yep as in touch scroll Jun 30 07:23:29 yup Jun 30 07:23:34 I was trying to scroll with the sidebar Jun 30 07:23:55 good morning Jun 30 07:25:00 Ainulindale: i REALLY recommend ssh Jun 30 07:25:13 Ainulindale: its a real pain to type in the terminal bnow Jun 30 07:25:29 goodwill: goodwill , can you please do me a favor ? Jun 30 07:25:32 Zoup: it used to be a touch keyboard...not sure what happened to it Jun 30 07:25:34 I'll set up ssh as soon as it will have an IP Jun 30 07:25:41 goodwill: thanks :( Jun 30 07:25:49 Zoup: yes? Jun 30 07:25:50 goodwill: though I can type in with my keyboard Jun 30 07:25:51 goodwill: you mean , it might be gone ? Jun 30 07:25:55 not using the touch one Jun 30 07:26:08 what keyboard ? Jun 30 07:26:24 guys , i just hate to use 'telephone like keypad' to ssh somewhere , is there any other way ? Jun 30 07:26:30 Ainulindale: right, but you'll find that it behaves like the numeric one for some letters, you have to use the right key to move to the next letter Jun 30 07:26:52 Zoup: we are in qemu latest devel image, which is unstable Jun 30 07:26:58 Zoup: what are you doing? Jun 30 07:27:07 2007.2 image has a keyboard Jun 30 07:27:18 2007.2 is unstable ? Jun 30 07:27:30 22007.2 is what neo1973 shipped with I believe Jun 30 07:27:53 s/22007.2/2007.2 Jun 30 07:27:55 goodwill: and the default editor is ? Jun 30 07:28:03 Ainulindale: vi Jun 30 07:28:13 * Ainulindale vanishes Jun 30 07:28:23 Ainulindale: which I find annoying cause I had to learn it a bit Jun 30 07:28:28 its not hard Jun 30 07:28:30 goodwill: ohum , so there was an interface keyboard in old days which is now available now , am i right ? Jun 30 07:28:32 I am just an emacs man Jun 30 07:28:49 So do I Jun 30 07:28:56 So do I :) Jun 30 07:28:56 Zoup: there was one, I am sure it will be back...its just not in the dev image right now Jun 30 07:28:57 I can't seem to find how to type a / ! Jun 30 07:29:10 press the same key again Jun 30 07:29:14 its the numeric pad Jun 30 07:29:22 guys where i can find detailed documents on OS ? Jun 30 07:29:38 Zoup: there is the wiki, but its rather incomplete Jun 30 07:29:41 Can't find it :-/ Jun 30 07:29:48 Zoup: OM is still developers world Jun 30 07:30:03 goodwill: i like it! Jun 30 07:30:19 Zoup: I am not an OM dev, just a n00b with a weeks experience Jun 30 07:30:27 Yeah ! found it Jun 30 07:30:28 Ainulindale: try using the up and down keys Jun 30 07:30:47 s/weeks/week worth of Jun 30 07:31:00 now, find the ":" key :-) Jun 30 07:31:17 Ainulindale: serious I am so looking forward to fso Jun 30 07:31:31 Ainulindale: I've been looking at its git...its very promising Jun 30 07:31:59 :-) Jun 30 07:32:03 goodwill: take a look http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Input_Method Jun 30 07:32:40 Ainulindale: have not tried the asu yet...cause its built for ZFr and qemu is neo1973...though there is a patch as far as I know Jun 30 07:33:15 openmoko: 03zecke * r3ff59c1b36f2 10/src/server/phone/contextlabel/base/contextlabel.cpp: [x11] Cleanup, we removed that slot Jun 30 07:33:15 openmoko: 03zecke * r2aacbf7e1648 10/src/server/phone/ (phonestatusdbusexporter.cpp phonestatusdbusexporter.h): [gsm] Indicate no registration with a signal strength of -1 Jun 30 07:33:26 Zoup: I never saw that keyboard on anyimages Jun 30 07:33:50 Zoup: I am not sure that exists Jun 30 07:34:01 goodwill: what is mokoos application based on ? C ? python ? Jun 30 07:34:21 Zoup: read this: http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ Jun 30 07:35:24 goodwill: thanks! Jun 30 07:36:51 Ainulindale: I am not sure emacs is going to be good for OM, it will need liek joemacs or some other stripped down version Jun 30 07:37:30 Ainulindale: but the second I manage to install mysql and apache on it, I am planning to freak out my friends Jun 30 07:38:02 Ainulindale: I want them to be as confused as possible Jun 30 07:40:50 ooohh Jun 30 07:40:55 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner Jun 30 07:43:00 goodwill: what ? Jun 30 07:43:09 ? Jun 30 07:43:20 goodwill: you said ohh and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner Jun 30 07:43:30 good reading before you get one Jun 30 07:43:34 ohh!! Jun 30 07:46:12 short question: i downloaded over the mokomakefile the latest official images: booting works and if the system loaded finallly i can click on buttons but nothing happens - have i forgot something? Jun 30 07:46:54 neldoreth: nope...the latest images are always devel images..so they are nto considered stable Jun 30 07:47:03 neldoreth: they are built automatically Jun 30 07:47:15 neldoreth: I got the same result Jun 30 07:47:25 goodwill ok thanks for the information :) Jun 30 07:47:32 np Jun 30 07:48:30 is it possible to geht the image with the freerunner is getting shipped out? Jun 30 07:48:59 im sure it is, what question :> Jun 30 07:54:44 neldoreth: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner Jun 30 07:54:58 neldoreth: according to that its in http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ Jun 30 07:55:13 neldoreth: but I have problems getting qemu to flash gta02 images Jun 30 07:55:26 in fact I am trying this excat image now Jun 30 07:55:30 I'll let you know in a few Jun 30 07:55:51 use gta01 images Jun 30 07:55:57 yeah Jun 30 07:56:22 malik1972_: I am assuming their equivalent is the kevin recomended image of the same date Jun 30 07:56:38 goodwill ok thanks i will take a look at it Jun 30 07:56:38 its a qemu-neo1973 emulator Jun 30 07:56:41 http://downloads.openmoko.org/recommended/ Jun 30 07:56:59 malik1972_: I know, supposedly there is a kernel patch to make it run for FR Jun 30 07:57:05 malik1972_: have nto figured it out yet Jun 30 07:57:08 kevin has a neo1973 and a freerunner Jun 30 07:57:10 malik1972_: are you an OM wise one Jun 30 07:57:28 no, but i tested a lot with qemu Jun 30 07:58:02 normally the resources are not enough to run gta02 images Jun 30 07:58:20 you can change ram and nand, also in qemu Jun 30 07:58:45 but it didnt worked for me Jun 30 08:00:52 malik1972_: I had problems burning them before Jun 30 08:01:01 malik1972_: this one actually burned Jun 30 08:01:10 I do not know if it will book Jun 30 08:01:11 boot Jun 30 08:01:30 yeah its not running Jun 30 08:01:38 something about magic bitmask Jun 30 08:02:09 malik1972_: do you know if the http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ same as the recommended ones of the same date? Jun 30 08:02:46 malik1972_: do you have a FR moded qemu? Jun 30 08:05:03 goodwill: you want to test which kind of images? something recommended, stable, to get an idea of what you buy? Jun 30 08:05:25 malik1972_: no, I am buying regardless Jun 30 08:05:39 malik1972_: I am just trying to get familiar with the whole system Jun 30 08:05:50 malik1972_: I am supet excited about fso for example Jun 30 08:06:13 * faern too Jun 30 08:06:15 did you see the video of mickey Jun 30 08:06:29 url? Jun 30 08:07:22 http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone1/FrameworkMilestone1.m4v Jun 30 08:07:37 malik1972_: I even flashed fso onto qemu to play with Jun 30 08:07:53 goodwill: it didnt worked for me Jun 30 08:08:06 malik1972_: it froze after a modem reset Jun 30 08:08:27 malik1972_: but what little code I've read so far in the git...its exciting Jun 30 08:08:36 goodwill: it boots and i can see 4 icons on the screen but nothing happens Jun 30 08:09:04 at least with milestone1 Jun 30 08:09:12 malik1972_: the dialer icon pulls up a dialer Jun 30 08:09:14 for me Jun 30 08:09:19 really? Jun 30 08:09:21 yup Jun 30 08:09:54 how did you installed it, with the makefile or manually? Jun 30 08:10:25 malik1972_: I made qemu with mokomakefile Jun 30 08:10:59 malik1972_: then moved default official images out of the way, downloaded fso ones, and symlinked the folder with them to openmoko folder in images/ Jun 30 08:11:04 and then? how did you tell qemu to use fso images instead of the official ones Jun 30 08:11:09 malik1972_: and I used the official images uboot Jun 30 08:11:14 okay Jun 30 08:11:27 will try it Jun 30 08:11:30 after building qemu and getting the official images Jun 30 08:11:41 move them out of the way Jun 30 08:11:50 download fso images to a different folder Jun 30 08:11:55 copy uboot to it Jun 30 08:12:01 from the official ones Jun 30 08:12:04 symlink it Jun 30 08:12:07 i wrote a skript doing the same Jun 30 08:12:27 then symlink the fso image to file with proper naming convention Jun 30 08:12:30 giving the script 3 parameters: rootfs, kernel and uboot Jun 30 08:12:49 cause like -fso in it screws it u[ Jun 30 08:12:51 up Jun 30 08:13:22 maybe there is a difference between the makefile and a manually setup Jun 30 08:13:33 anotehr option is to edit env file in build/qemu/openmoko/env Jun 30 08:13:45 malik1972_: its just the naming convention Jun 30 08:13:58 the env file is what sets it Jun 30 08:14:11 whihc itself a smlink to openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/env Jun 30 08:14:26 I found easier to just create proper symlinks Jun 30 08:14:33 rather then change the env file Jun 30 08:14:39 which is what flash.sh uses Jun 30 08:14:51 its the easiest way Jun 30 08:15:13 you may also play around changing nand memory and so on Jun 30 08:15:26 malik1972_: what do you mean? Jun 30 08:15:28 for fr images Jun 30 08:15:47 maybe it works for you Jun 30 08:16:10 from what I read there is a a openmoko kernel patch to make it work for qemu as freerunner Jun 30 08:16:19 I have not figured out how to apply it properly Jun 30 08:16:40 i think that this information is old, i am not sure Jun 30 08:16:47 maybe Jun 30 08:16:59 I am hoping the frerunner will soon be here Jun 30 08:17:01 the patches are there Jun 30 08:17:20 you may ask balrog-k1n Jun 30 08:17:31 he sould know it Jun 30 08:18:18 i have to boot my machine Jun 30 08:19:43 goodwill: you can modify hw/neo1973.c before compiling, this should give you more ram, which is needed to run gta02 images Jun 30 08:20:14 goodwill: and you need to adjust flash.sh properly to double nand Jun 30 08:20:56 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r214ab23ebf90 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up to 116 for illume - new config defaults for aux btn Jun 30 08:20:57 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r4344ec4e0779 10/packages/python/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [python-etk] Adding patches to python-etk binding. Jun 30 08:20:57 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rc87ec3bbd352 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade exposure to r50 Jun 30 08:20:58 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * rfd4aff640ea1 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: up efl srcdate for fixes to alginment usage in scrolledview and other Jun 30 08:21:01 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r0fce270d18a0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: update to newer etheme and shelf size options Jun 30 08:21:04 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r35f9c6cd0816 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up illume to rev120 - had theme problem. 100% cpu usage with infinite timer. Jun 30 08:21:07 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * ra3f050168df5 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: up to 0630 for date of efl - should fix eet issue? i can't reproduce here at Jun 30 08:21:10 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r8c0724008f62 10/packages/efl1/edbus_cvs.bb: don't need efreet or ewl for edbus build. Jun 30 08:29:44 i have been digging around and is a little puzzled about partitioning in the FreeRunner, as i understand the current OpenMoko image only uses 64MB that leaves 192MB unused? Jun 30 08:30:18 unused until you install more apps Jun 30 08:30:45 So if I flash a new root the installed apps will stay? Jun 30 08:31:21 so the partition is 256mb not 64 Jun 30 08:31:46 minus the kernel and bootloader ofcourse Jun 30 08:31:48 * goodwill tips his hat toward XorA Jun 30 08:31:51 HauDyrArb: slightly less than 256, but yes, it fills all available space Jun 30 08:31:58 good Jun 30 08:32:15 HauDyrArb: the image just gets dumped to beginning of free space, but jffs2 knows about the rest of the space Jun 30 08:32:21 then the Wiki needs updating :-) Jun 30 08:32:53 faern: flash a new root and you lose everything you changed Jun 30 08:33:40 uImage is kernel right? Jun 30 08:34:44 goodwill: yes Jun 30 08:35:39 goodwill: you used the fso gta01 image for qemu, right? Jun 30 08:35:49 malik1972: yes Jun 30 08:36:00 okay, will try it with the makefile Jun 30 08:36:51 malik1972: good luck Jun 30 08:36:57 I am off to bed Jun 30 08:37:14 thanx Jun 30 08:47:24 anyone know if how well the freerunner works with qtopia? Jun 30 08:47:37 if/how* Jun 30 08:48:57 pretty well Jun 30 08:49:32 i heard the neo1973 worked with it, so i thought it would be ok Jun 30 08:50:12 ASU is based on qtopia Jun 30 08:51:47 shame qtopia have taken their free phone ed down Jun 30 08:52:15 i'm sure it will be floating around someplace though Jun 30 08:52:59 its in the openmoko mirrors :-D Jun 30 08:53:15 oh cool Jun 30 08:53:30 buildhost exposes its sources directory Jun 30 08:59:54 Hmpf, conntrack isn't happy. Jun 30 09:00:01 nf_conntrack: Unknown symbol nf_conntrack_destroy Jun 30 09:00:11 I'm almost sure I forgot something Jun 30 09:20:11 Any one tell me how to solve Dependency error :gconf2.0 not found?, libgconf2.0 Is already installed. Jun 30 09:28:46 Morning, all. I've been following the project for quite some time, and this looks like it's going to be huge! Brilliant! Jun 30 09:30:15 Anyone in the UK managed to get a handset, and have it working with a UK provider? Jun 30 09:30:24 yep Jun 30 09:30:35 Yipee Jun 30 09:30:40 Which provider? Jun 30 09:30:44 I have a freerunner from truebox and it is working on orange Jun 30 09:31:01 I've been communicating with Truebox. I'm also on Orange :-) Jun 30 09:32:56 I doubt you would have any problems with any network in the UK Jun 30 09:33:42 What are your first impressions (an Airplane line comes to mind) Jun 30 09:33:57 2 secs..... Jun 30 09:37:33 Trueform told me that the released handset is still for developers. Is this true? Jun 30 09:38:14 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r63e5d21b143d 10/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Some bugs fixed Jun 30 09:38:14 Well the h/w is nice, the screen is very clear, the software does need more love though but we all knew this, I am using it as my day to day phone and there are still some annoying bugs Jun 30 09:39:05 I would not give it to someone who just wants a working phone atm as after a few days use you might want to throw it across the room sometimes :) Jun 30 09:39:19 Hmmm I want to emulate an usb connection, is it possible with qemu ? Jun 30 09:39:40 but in general it works :) Jun 30 09:39:41 Tig|: that you can use it as your day to day phone is encouraging. i often want to throw my "proper" phone across the room... Jun 30 09:39:42 Early adoption is often a requirement of Open Source stuff, as we know. If you don't find bugs, they can't be fixed. Jun 30 09:40:03 Found it. Jun 30 09:43:05 so for those who already has one of these babies, how long does the battery last (standby time)? Is it hours, days, weeks? Jun 30 09:43:38 xming: good question I have not been able to leave it alone long enough to find out Jun 30 09:44:15 It is not wonderful though I put it on charge last night and will see how it goes today with a day of normal usage Jun 30 09:44:30 Tig|: What image are you using? ASU? Jun 30 09:44:51 what img does it come with? Jun 30 09:44:58 xming: 2007.2 Jun 30 09:45:05 ty Jun 30 09:45:10 abraxa__: I am using the 27/06/08 kernel image from OM.com with the ScaredyCat rootfs Jun 30 09:45:18 Tig|: tell me about it tomorrow :) Jun 30 09:45:44 Tig|: ScaredyCat image of...? 2007.2? Jun 30 09:46:02 abraxa__: it comes with 2007.2 release, so that is the one from about April that is kicking around on the om.com site under releases :) Jun 30 09:46:12 abraxa__: yes the 2007.2 image Jun 30 09:46:28 Ah, thanks. Surprised to hear that it works for you but all the better then :) Jun 30 09:46:42 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r268dec8746b2 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: [qtopia] Remove the callforwarding and phonesettings application from the image Jun 30 09:46:43 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rff0c46bffeb4 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to a version with the massive painting changes Jun 30 09:46:44 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r12e664d69cc1 10/packages/efl1/edbus_cvs.bb: [edbus Bump the PR after raster's change Jun 30 09:48:12 I did get wifi working last night to my WPA network though (command line job) one thing I am going to buy is a BT keyboard Jun 30 09:49:28 A BT keyboard? Jun 30 09:49:52 can't you just ssh via USB net? Jun 30 09:49:53 yeah the 2007.2 keypad thing is a bugger to work with Jun 30 09:50:18 xming: oh yes, but typing an sms on it is a chore as there is no T9 Jun 30 09:50:40 Tig|: bring you laptop with you all the time :) Jun 30 09:50:54 there are some very nice foldable BT KB Jun 30 09:51:22 xming: I know I am just looking at one for £30 from the shop I have to walk past in an hour and a half :) Jun 30 09:51:43 Hmmm the doc here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/QEMU#How_to_get_it_running mentions a "monitor" Jun 30 09:51:47 How should I run it ? Jun 30 09:51:59 Modifying the options I guess ? Jun 30 09:52:05 (qemu monitor) Jun 30 09:52:07 ready for the flood :-D Jun 30 09:52:25 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r85476d7706a5 10/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add python-pyalsaaudio, support for the Linux 2.6.x ALSA Sound System Jun 30 09:52:29 openmoko: 03jluebbe 07org.openmoko.dev * r8e1c072606a5 10/packages/images/fso-image.bb: fso-image: include python-oeventd Jun 30 09:52:30 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * re99961aeac9a 10/packages/gcc/ (4 files in 2 dirs): gcc 4.3.1: fix NEON ice: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=36500 Jun 30 09:52:37 openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * r501cfa142f6a 10/packages/freetype/ (freetype-native_2.3.6.bb freetype_2.3.6.bb): freetype: update to version 2.3.6 Jun 30 09:52:38 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r7b7b59cf1b56 10/packages/libmikmod/ (libmikmod/m4.patch libmikmod_3.1.12.bb): libmikmod 3.1.12 bring back m4 patch to improve compatibility with more systems (thanks Jeremy) Jun 30 09:52:40 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r02c85e4237fc 10/packages/ (4 files in 4 dirs): merge of 'a6e949d7541dc3ab2d5697151c861cfd4a2efa87' Jun 30 09:52:40 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r28f4d15758d9 10/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add python-pyalsa, (another) alsa support package for python Jun 30 09:52:41 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rb63607ab80bb 10/packages/ (3 files in 2 dirs): python-etk git sanitize recipe and add to task-python-efl[-examples] Jun 30 09:52:44 openmoko: 03likewise 07org.openmoko.dev * rafb0ec2b4ee2 10/packages/rt-tests/rt-tests_0.21.bb: rt-tests: Fix detection of executables in do_install(). Jun 30 09:52:45 what path PKG_CONFIG_PATH to set? Jun 30 09:52:49 openmoko: 03likewise 07org.openmoko.dev * rda113caaf38d 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): linux-rt-2.6.25: Enable hrtimers, dyntick and -rt latency tracing for EFIKA. Jun 30 09:52:52 openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r6d9077ba8991 10/ (33 files in 16 dirs): merge of '416f841049c84e97f18fad677688af32cbc68636' Jun 30 09:52:55 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r949de3a24b4e 10/packages/libmodplug/ (libmodplug_0.7.bb libmodplug_0.8.bb): libmodplug 0.7 update to 0.8 Jun 30 09:53:00 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * re5a8506c7e7d 10/packages/ (libmodplug/libmodplug_0.8.bb modplugplay/modplugplay_1.0.bb): modplugplay 1.0 compile w/ newer gccs Jun 30 09:53:03 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r80f5de15005e 10/packages/lasertraq/ (.mtn2git_empty lasertraq.inc traqconfig_0.8.bb): traqconfig: add configapplication of the lasertraq suite Jun 30 09:53:06 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r3b4317c3c81b 10/packages/linux/ (4 files in 2 dirs): linux-omap2 git: bump SRCREV and remove patches that are upstream now Jun 30 09:53:13 openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.dev * r37a45f37639c 10/packages/libosip2/libosip2_3.1.0.bb: libosip2: add libosip2 version 3.1.0 Jun 30 09:53:16 openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.dev * r671b3c85ea99 10/packages/libexosip2/libexosip2_3.1.0.bb: libexosip2: add libexosip2 version 3.1.0 Jun 30 09:53:23 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r21564633ec73 10/packages/images/fso-image.bb: fso-image: ship sounds, add info 'bout state files Jun 30 09:53:26 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r701545314eca 10/packages/freesmartphone/fso-sounds.bb: add fso-sounds, notification sounds for the freesmartphone image Jun 30 09:53:29 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r806aeaaceea4 10/packages/gcc/ (2 files): gcc-cross-kernel: add 4.2.4 and csl-2007q3 Jun 30 09:53:32 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rd52c8b146ec7 10/conf/distro/angstrom-2008.1.conf: angstrom 2008: use gcc 4.3.1 for armv7a now that NEON works, use a seperate gcc (sadly a CSL one) for kernels Jun 30 09:53:39 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r51a478bcf44a 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): omap3evm: add omap3evm machine and make linux-omap2 kernel the default for that. Based on work from Steve Sakoman Jun 30 09:53:46 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rffbed654f5f0 10/conf/distro/angstrom-2008.1.conf: angstrom 2008: remove bogus preferred version Jun 30 09:53:49 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rb23b3974a5d2 10/packages/linux/ (16 files in 3 dirs): linux-omap2 git: update evm defconfig (thanks Steve!), clean up beagle patch dir, apply smartreflex and cpuidle patches to evm as well Jun 30 09:53:53 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r4de6e1f702e4 10/packages/python/ (2 files in 2 dirs): python-gst 0.10.10 do not require pygtk, gobject is really all it needs Jun 30 09:53:56 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r4a1435517f3b 10/packages/freetype/ (3 files in 2 dirs): freetype 2.3.6 fix it Jun 30 09:54:01 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * ra05545c9ebac 10/ (19 files in 5 dirs): merge of 'adb71bd42c308e5f50a18441883b2051173f9cd2' Jun 30 09:54:05 time to ignore the CIA bot :p Jun 30 09:54:10 openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.dev * r2d379e77010e 10/packages/imagemagick/imagemagick_6.3.5-10.bb: imagemagick: don't call libtoolize for imagemagick, it doesn't work Jun 30 09:54:13 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r6f354297438a 10/packages/aspell/aspell_0.60.6.bb: aspell: add 0.60.6, fixes compile errors with gcc 4.3.x Jun 30 09:54:18 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rac4cf4795630 10/conf/machine/include/tune-cortexa8.inc: tune-cortex a8: remove -ftree-vectorize so people can use 2008q1 as compiler Jun 30 09:54:21 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * re1418e9c195a 10/conf/machine/beagleboard.conf: beagleboard: switch to armv7a Jun 30 09:54:24 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r497e81e6c499 10/conf/machine/omap3evm.conf: omap3evm: switch to armv7a Jun 30 09:54:27 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r63281b054397 10/contrib/angstrom/sort.sh: angstrom feed sorter: sync with version on serinity Jun 30 09:54:34 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * rbca2bb2cf0ed 10/packages/xorg-lib/libfs_1.0.1.bb: libfs: add 1.0.1 Jun 30 09:54:37 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r3144ec052009 10/packages/xorg-lib/xtrans_1.2.bb: xtrans: add 1.2 Jun 30 09:54:40 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r4aa4ad987f34 10/packages/xorg-util/util-macros-native_1.1.6.bb: util-macros-native: add 1.1.6 Jun 30 09:54:45 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r12878d57c7d9 10/packages/xorg-lib/libxau-native_1.0.3.bb: libxau-native-1.0.3: stop providing "xau" (inherited from libxau-1.0.3) Jun 30 09:54:48 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * rb6f32014085d 10/packages/xorg-app/constype_1.0.1.bb: constype: add 1.0.1 Jun 30 09:54:51 (55 lines omitted) Jun 30 09:54:57 thank god Jun 30 09:55:15 it knows when to shut up Jun 30 09:55:32 heh heh Jun 30 09:55:59 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r4ee7b4fcd3e2 10/packages/pulseaudio/ (4 files in 2 dirs): pulseaudio 0.9.10 add tiny patches from Poky Jun 30 09:56:00 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r18c34688bbfe 10/packages/ (python/python-pyyaml_3.05.bb tasks/task-python-everything.bb): add python-pyyaml, yaml support for Python Jun 30 09:56:13 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r6a60d31222b2 10/ (81 files in 23 dirs): merge of '5df8864bb6077e592cab2f4f7568f207380225e4' Jun 30 09:56:20 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r1b312d7495cf 10/conf/distro/ (3 files in 2 dirs): angstrom|om|jlime: go back to udev 115 Jun 30 09:56:23 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r72eb4e976d6e 10/conf/distro/ezx.conf: remove ezx.conf, use angstrom, generic, or openmoko Jun 30 09:56:24 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r685cbe97057e 10/packages/udev/ (19 files in 3 dirs): udev-118: go back in time to udev-115 which seems to work slightly better on some Zaurus models Jun 30 09:56:27 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r853c9eb8eda5 10/packages/udev/ (19 files in 3 dirs): disapproval of revision 'a41ea1ad763bed9b2597a75fd878c89397de75e0' Jun 30 09:56:28 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rc16a7faa783b 10/conf/distro/ (3 files in 2 dirs): disapproval of revision '4eeab448d8f0ea43702fbbac1fad0e283ba87b91' Jun 30 09:56:30 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r4153654a6e53 10/conf/distro/ezx.conf: merge of 'ae80749e4b78bcd1a09605ab422d6bca3ed0eac9' Jun 30 09:56:33 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r094fac7ccf93 10/packages/xorg-driver/ (3 files in 2 dirs): xf86-video-ark: add 0.7.0 Jun 30 09:56:38 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * rdfffb6049ecf 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-ast_0.85.0.bb: xf86-video-ast: add 0.85.0 Jun 30 09:56:41 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r9ae94410409e 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-chips_1.2.0.bb: xf86-video-chips: add 1.2.0 Jun 30 09:56:44 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r650ba773910f 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-cirrus_1.2.1.bb: xf86-video-cirrus: add 1.2.1 Jun 30 09:56:49 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * rba132c431764 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-fbdev_0.4.0.bb: xf86-video-fbdev: add 0.4.0 Jun 30 09:56:52 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r120a3e4e7006 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-glint_1.2.0.bb: xf86-video-glint: add 1.2.0 Jun 30 09:56:55 openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r4168ca3a60e8 10/ (14 files in 10 dirs): merge of '10ff7a617b3c5cbe78b0c05c1d0b09006a1c44c0' Jun 30 09:57:00 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r927fe3f78aae 10/etc/freesmartphone/opreferences/conf/profiles/default.yaml: Added profiles conf file Jun 30 09:57:03 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * rcc15f52de2d5 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-i128_1.3.0.bb: xf86-video-i128: add 1.3.0 Jun 30 09:57:06 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r2bc467811646 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-i740_1.2.0.bb: xf86-video-i740: add 1.2.0 Jun 30 09:57:13 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r3fadc4238922 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-neomagic_1.2.1.bb: xf86-video-neomagic: add 1.2.1 Jun 30 09:57:16 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r31e62de5d7f3 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-nv_2.1.9.bb: xf86-video-nv: add 2.1.9 Jun 30 09:57:19 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r6a1a6a50315f 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-s3_0.6.0.bb: xf86-video-s3: add 0.6.0 Jun 30 09:57:24 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * rb0af2e37444b 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-s3virge_1.10.1.bb: xf86-video-s3virge: add 1.10.1 Jun 30 09:57:27 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r356a75496b40 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-siliconmotion_1.6.0.bb: xf86-video-siliconmotion: add 1.6.0 Jun 30 09:57:30 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r1493fdc9c2c2 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-sisusb_0.9.0.bb: xf86-video-sisusb: add 0.9.0 Jun 30 09:57:37 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * re25d4a2b5922 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-trident_1.3.0.bb: xf86-video-trident: add 1.3.0 Jun 30 09:57:40 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * rda6e26caa361 10/packages/xorg-driver/ (3 files in 2 dirs): xf86-video-dummy: add 0.3.0 Jun 30 09:57:43 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * rb360ef2a6edb 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-geode_2.9.0.bb: xf86-video-geode: add 2.9.0 - untested, only compiles on x86 Jun 30 09:57:50 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r7dd014202830 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-radeonhd_1.2.0.bb: xf86-video-radeonhd: add 1.2.0, an AMD/ATI r5xx, r6xx display driver Jun 30 09:57:53 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * ra194a24d7194 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-rendition_4.2.0.bb: xf86-video-rendition: add 4.2.0 Jun 30 09:57:56 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * rd9e8ed46f50b 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-savage_2.2.1.bb: xf86-video-savage: add 2.2.1 Jun 30 09:58:03 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r49d89c4aca0e 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-sis_0.10.0.bb: xf86-video-sis: add 0.10.0 Jun 30 09:58:06 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r5a39e002e45e 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-xorg-versions-X11R7.4.inc: preferred-xorg-versions-X11R7.4.inc: update some versions for 7.4 Jun 30 09:58:09 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r5fa1250a4df6 10/classes/rm_work.bbclass: rm_work: now that packaged-staging knows about rm_work we can make it more potent again Jun 30 09:58:18 openmoko: 03dirk 07org.openmoko.dev * rcf6a4611a7e7 10/packages/powertop/ (powertop_1.10.bb powertop_1.9.bb): powertop: upgrade to 1.10 and fix URL Jun 30 09:58:21 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rb03056f05952 10/packages/pulseaudio/pulseaudio-esd-wrapper.bb: pulseaudio esd wrapper: meta package that transparently replaces the esound server with pulseaudio Jun 30 09:58:24 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r5451902aa750 10/packages/freesmartphone/ (2 files in 2 dirs): python-odeviced: add om-gta02 config for input module Jun 30 09:58:29 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rb8cd5bbfe1c5 10/packages/ (3 files in 2 dirs): merge of '9ea31290125f045b9aba7f495e83482e68ce640d' Jun 30 09:58:32 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r3012788d310f 10/packages/pulseaudio/padevchooser_0.9.3.bb: padevchooser: add the pulseaudio device chooser applet Jun 30 09:58:35 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r21834428c8a5 10/packages/pulseaudio/padevchooser_0.9.3.bb: merge of '81ce749b8f57a5a56ca3f31c843da1b227a8a48d' Jun 30 09:58:48 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r48ae29b10f45 10/packages/pulseaudio/pulseaudio-esd-wrapper.bb: pulse esd wrapper: fix postinst Jun 30 09:58:48 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r6086e5b77fbd 10/packages/pulseaudio/ (files/asound.conf.pulseaudio pulseaudio-alsa-wrapper.bb): pulseaudio alsa wrapper: add meta package that installs the files needed to use pulseaudio as alsa-backend Jun 30 09:58:54 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r94799c643f1f 10/packages/freesmartphone/ (2 files in 2 dirs): merge of '23094adbbe1c0cf4e6533536f3d839d77e1e5bbf' Jun 30 09:58:54 openmoko: 03lukas.gorris 07org.openmoko.dev * r24b64ee54cfa 10/packages/rt2x00/rt73-k2wrlz_3.0.0.bb: rt73-k2wrlz_3.0.0.bb : new version from dcordes Jun 30 09:58:57 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * reb6fe5d72d12 10/packages/stage-manager/ (files/stage-manager-ipkg stagemanager-native_0.0.1.bb): stagemanager native: replace 'head -1' with 'head -n1' Jun 30 09:59:02 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r849bd1a23933 10/packages/freesmartphone/ (zhone/80zhone zhone_git.bb): zhone: debug to /tmp/zhone.log for now, fix PACKAGE_ARCH Jun 30 09:59:05 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r8a30b4af281d 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: preferred-om-versions: prefer pulseaudio 0.9.10 Jun 30 09:59:08 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rdd2bc6db30e1 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: opkg[-native|-sdk]: prefere revision 4488. should fix the segfault w/ unsigned repositories Jun 30 09:59:15 hi Jun 30 09:59:35 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r3095c8e92f3b 10/packages/libpcre/libpcre_7.6.bb: libpcre: fix builds with libtool 2.2.4 Jun 30 09:59:35 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rcb2eb303f314 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): sane-srcrevs: bump opkg*, mplayer and packagekit Jun 30 09:59:35 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rbeb675241afd 10/packages/linux/linux-omap2-git/beagleboard/defconfig: linux omap2 git: disable DEBUG_LL for beagleboard Jun 30 09:59:37 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rb328f3d9aec0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sanesrcrevs: wind back opkg-native to 4452. opkg works find on the target, opkg-native fails with locking problems Jun 30 09:59:44 openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openmoko.dev * rcb5df50afd69 10/packages/meta/slugos-packages.bb: Slugos Package Feeds: drop linphone and spandsp to the broken list. Jun 30 09:59:52 openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openmoko.dev * rad3f59f3ca05 10/packages/meta/slugos-packages.bb: SlugOS Package Feeds - demote yeaphone, as it's dependent upon the broken linphone Jun 30 09:59:56 openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openmoko.dev * r495ef318bf96 10/packages/meta/slugos-packages.bb: SlugOS Package Feeds - Yet another demotion: postfix will not build (bb file error) Jun 30 10:00:05 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r52bf846493a6 10/packages/pulseaudio/pulseaudio-alsa-wrapper.bb: pulseaudio alsa wrapper: add more modules Jun 30 10:00:12 openmoko: 03dirk 07org.openmoko.dev * r58e40ff9f9d2 10/classes/insane.bbclass: insane.bbclass: add linux-gnuspe as valid target Jun 30 10:00:15 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rdb443a667324 10/conf/machine/hx4700.conf: hx4700: append jffs2 to fstypes Jun 30 10:00:22 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r69e41fac6f68 10/packages/mozilla/ (11 files in 2 dirs): firefox_2.0.0.14+3.0rc1.bb : first stab at firefox 3 recipe Jun 30 10:00:46 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r7e3fe0e4f6fd 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): merge of '02ce8fba2c16b03770277a744efebc4f9c0f7f47' Jun 30 10:01:43 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r5fc98c63b907 10/conf/distro/include/ (preferred-om-2008-versions.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): merge of '1ca4c522d6f876b0f973239befedba5f6ad6ab07' Jun 30 10:04:10 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r96c1ff8e34d6 10/conf/distro/include/ (preferred-om-2008-versions.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): merge of '5f8c61f539e6f103dcfa53a341944eb1b46c96fe' Jun 30 10:08:52 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * re36867891de7 10/packages/freesmartphone/gsmd2_git.bb: gsmd2 git disable tests make it compile now Jun 30 10:08:52 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * re7789b03f4d5 10/packages/freesmartphone/gsmd2_git.bb: merge of '6d659ab83a5262d1e21010e8ef7628a905dfff84' Jun 30 10:09:43 hi. i have a problem compiling the current asu. i want to build an image that i can run in a chroot env with xephyr. the problem is that the build of ecore fails : undefined reference to `_dl_tls_get_addr_soft@GLIBC_PRIVATE'. did somebody encounter this error, too? Jun 30 10:11:07 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rde87183359c9 10/conf/machine/ (om-gta01.conf om-gta02.conf): om-gta0[1|2]: allow local.conf to override PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel Jun 30 10:11:24 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r1941f4682240 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrev: wind back opkg-native to 4452 *again* Jun 30 10:11:37 wow. someones busy. Jun 30 10:13:48 openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r16f9974b6075 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: merge of '2d0e7ded96559d4c71de1153762dd0879fa16697' Jun 30 10:13:50 openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openmoko.dev * rff5966bca58b 10/packages/meta/slugos-packages.bb: SlugOS Package Feeds - demote ctorrent (do_install fails) Jun 30 10:13:52 openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openmoko.dev * r7dc438942e16 10/packages/ipkg-utils/ (2 files in 2 dirs): ipkg-utils: fix ipk (ar) file processing to handle odd-length data blocks. Jun 30 10:13:54 openmoko: 03dirk 07org.openmoko.dev * r3925fa915759 10/packages/pciutils/ (pciutils-2.2.4/configure.patch pciutils_2.2.4.bb): pciutils: add linux-gnuspe as valid system Jun 30 10:13:55 openmoko: 03dirk 07org.openmoko.dev * r749cba1b70b4 10/ (19 files in 8 dirs): merge of 'ca63fe7da843b99d6a109e39aea7a28865c9f2a3' Jun 30 10:13:58 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r589b74c4d4e1 10/ (13 files in 3 dirs): oprofile: sync with poky Jun 30 10:14:07 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r96fd6f4824b7 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: prefer glib-2.0-native 2.16.1 due to gcc 4.3 fixes Jun 30 10:14:08 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r3948effdf6ac 10/packages/glib-2.0/ (glib-2.0-native_2.16.1.bb glib-2.0_2.16.1.bb): add glib-2.0-native 2.16.1, 2.12.4 no longer cuts it on systems w/ gcc 4.3 Jun 30 10:14:08 openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openmoko.dev * r25bfe0817bdf 10/packages/bwmon/bwmon_1.3.bb: bwmon: fix link failure Jun 30 10:14:10 openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openmoko.dev * rc89a244d34d9 10/packages/syslog-ng/syslog-ng_2.0.5.bb: syslog-ng: Add missing dependency on glib-2.0 Jun 30 10:14:13 openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openmoko.dev * r9a95e3675b40 10/packages/meta/slugos-packages.bb: SlugOS Package Feeds: restore spandsp, syslog-ng, and bwmon to the working list Jun 30 10:14:20 openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openmoko.dev * rf36227a1ea8d 10/ (13 files in 3 dirs): merge of '2aac24d666cd8e05063343fe31b3fda11d82ab9e' Jun 30 10:14:23 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * rf7dca65531e4 10/packages/xorg-proto/xextproto_7.0.3.bb: xextproto: add 7.0.3 Jun 30 10:14:26 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * rab93f9240192 10/packages/xorg-xserver/ (12 files in 3 dirs): xserver-xorg, xserver-kdrive: add 1.4.2 Jun 30 10:14:29 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r86870041dc16 10/packages/xorg-app/sessreg_1.0.4.bb: sessreg: add 1.0.4 Jun 30 10:14:32 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r0f4b952fecdd 10/packages/xorg-app/xinit_1.1.0.bb: xinit: add 1.1.0 Jun 30 10:14:35 openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openmoko.dev * r2e42bbaefeb6 10/packages/fetchmail/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fetchmail: updated to latest release with security patch. Jun 30 10:14:38 openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openmoko.dev * r4a61989bb95a 10/packages/meta/slugos-packages.bb: SlugOS Package Feeds: promote fetchmail back into the feeds Jun 30 10:14:47 openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openmoko.dev * r9b7678300d11 10/packages/fetchmail/fetchmail_6.3.8.bb: Fetchmail: Correct packaging oversite Jun 30 10:14:50 openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openmoko.dev * r876d4320ef25 10/packages/ (4 files in 3 dirs): merge of '9831ee83165ae726c1641da5b4f8f00b78674b85' Jun 30 10:14:53 openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r33c36e687f09 10/packages/ (4 files in 3 dirs): merge of '333e287567474447d260204effba70e5e0c2eb71' Jun 30 10:14:58 openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.dev * rf11b358f232c 10/packages/stage-manager/ (files/stage-manager-ipkg stagemanager-native_0.0.1.bb): stage-manager: Fix sed error (from poky) Jun 30 10:15:01 openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.dev * r64000fbe01bd 10/classes/packaged-staging.bbclass: packaged-staging.bbclass: Make sure opkg's libdir exists in all cases for lockfiles (from poky) Jun 30 10:15:04 openmoko: 03crofton 07org.openmoko.dev * r58c9d67ee38e 10/packages/libtool/ (libtool-cross_2.2.4.bb libtool_2.2.4.bb): libtool : Updates from poky. Jun 30 10:15:11 openmoko: 03steve 07org.openmoko.dev * r7f8ac3d1f154 10/packages/u-boot/ (u-boot-git/beagleboard/base.patch u-boot_git.bb): u-boot beagleboard: update with latest patches and upstream changes Jun 30 10:15:14 openmoko: 03steve 07org.openmoko.dev * r2587820cbf7a 10/packages/gtk-webcore/ (3 files in 2 dirs): midori: fix .desktop file Jun 30 10:15:19 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r2f962b222eb2 10/ (48 files in 25 dirs): merge of '667771aae40d71d3a640333d77db8501aaa679df' Jun 30 10:15:24 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rdb2782f945ca 10/packages/linux/linux-omap2_git.bb: linux-omap2: bump to 2.6.26-rc6 Jun 30 10:15:27 openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r61755a8db334 10/packages/linux/linux-omap2_git.bb: merge of '4e3569a19b8a6f85c3878f45db976a5ef67711f2' Jun 30 10:15:30 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r2e3e9c2c2799 10/packages/pulseaudio/pulseaudio_0.9.10.bb: pulseaudio 0.9.10: workaround libtool problems Jun 30 10:15:37 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rf19d817a50c3 10/packages/glib-2.0/glib-2.0-native_2.16.1.bb: glib-2.0-native: workaround libtool problem Jun 30 10:15:40 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r1ee31c6c8373 10/packages/linux/linux-omap2_git.bb: linux-omap2 git: beagle needs nand support, evm only needs onenand support Jun 30 10:15:45 openmoko: 03steve 07org.openmoko.dev * r8a97c645d079 10/packages/linux/ (3 files in 3 dirs): linux omap2 git: update smartreflex patches Jun 30 10:15:50 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rbc52f1a3f0ad 10/packages/gimp/gimp.inc: gimp: depend on gdk-pixbuf-csource-native Jun 30 10:15:53 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r02d249ed8bd0 10/packages/sphinx/ (4 files): sphinx: update to latest release Jun 30 10:15:56 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rf6d341fd628b 10/packages/ (6 files in 3 dirs): libusb: add libusb1, a rewrite of libusb 0.1.x Jun 30 10:16:01 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r1f366ee27e3c 10/packages/bluez/ (bluez-utils.inc bluez-utils3.inc): bluez-utils: use libusb-compat Jun 30 10:16:04 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * re7d31e2e105e 10/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): linux omap2 git: add patch to surpress spurious timer reprogramming Jun 30 10:16:07 openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * ref91d6c59949 10/conf/machine/include/ (tune-pentium.inc tune-pentiumpro.inc): *fix -m options now using -march which is fine with gcc-3 and gcc-4 Jun 30 10:16:12 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r8de8e8855dd5 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-scrrevs: add python-etk Jun 30 10:16:15 openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * rc0e9ffe3a4d2 10/conf/machine/include/ (tune-pentium.inc tune-pentiumpro.inc): merge of '7d82814c0d9a56f422a652519c2811b08560b27e' Jun 30 10:16:18 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * raf8ce9d23572 10/packages/ (4 files in 3 dirs): various: more libusb -> libusbcompat changes Jun 30 10:16:25 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * re2453a56fcb1 10/packages/liburiparser/files/autofoo.patch: liburiparser: recreate autofoo patch to work with newer libtools Jun 30 10:16:28 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * reaba1c06117b 10/packages/gnuradio/ (4 files): gnuradio: libusb -> libusb-compat Jun 30 10:16:31 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rddcadfd648f5 10/packages/libsdl/libsdl-mixer_1.2.8.bb: libsdl-mixer: update to 1.2.8 Jun 30 10:16:38 (26 lines omitted) Jun 30 10:16:40 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rf4e80e9af2a8 10/packages/dsplink/codec-engine_2.10.bb: codec-engine: build & package cmemk module Jun 30 10:16:43 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * re1672be00ee0 10/packages/bluez/bluez-utils3.inc: bluez-utils: fix do_install. passkey-agent moved to test/ Jun 30 10:16:48 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r4dee02dbb081 10/packages/linux/ (6 files in 2 dirs): linux-openmoko-devel 2.6.24 maintain our own defconfig, remove hardcoded led behaviour Jun 30 10:16:51 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r87876a424847 10/packages/ (5 files in 3 dirs): merge of '112ba3baa73bf6c445009481cef0ee0f5371e549' Jun 30 10:16:56 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r754579749930 10/packages/linux/ (linux-omap2-git/beagleboard/defconfig linux-omap2_git.bb): linux-omap2 git: bump to 2.6.26-rc7 Jun 30 10:21:13 whats hapenning here? codemerging or what? Jun 30 10:21:24 OE->OM merge Jun 30 10:22:07 ah :-) thx Jun 30 10:30:38 pardon my ignorance.. but what was OE? :) Jun 30 10:30:54 is that the qtopia stuff, and would that make OM the gtk stuff? Jun 30 10:31:12 * juri_ has one phone running each, but she actually just uses her phone(s). Jun 30 10:31:13 juri_, openembedded.org Jun 30 10:31:55 so, will this be reflected in tomorows nightlys of the gtk, or the qt? :) Jun 30 10:45:57 juri_: OE is the build system that Openmoko uses to build the images Jun 30 10:54:34 Guys , is it possible to buy free runner in canada ? Jun 30 10:56:37 Probably, but you would have to pay shipping Jun 30 10:58:36 spydon: any idea how much is that ? Jun 30 10:59:34 I think there was a wiki page for how much it had cost for people from diffrent coutries that had bought the neo1973 Jun 30 11:00:24 spydon: on wiki.openmoko.org? Jun 30 11:00:56 yes Jun 30 11:01:54 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Shipping_Notes#Canada Jun 30 11:02:03 there, I found it Zoup Jun 30 11:02:10 spydon: thank you very much :) Jun 30 11:02:24 spydon: any idea when online shop will be available ? Jun 30 11:02:37 away /away Jun 30 11:02:49 Zoup, ~4 july Jun 30 11:03:28 Well, I'm connected to qemu through ssh, and now my problem is that it can't resolve names Jun 30 11:03:38 While I have correctly configured resolv.conf Jun 30 11:04:03 Ainulindale: do you got 'host' command ? Jun 30 11:05:19 Nope. Jun 30 11:05:30 (on the freerunner I mean) Jun 30 11:05:39 (hmpf, qemu) Jun 30 11:07:49 Zoup: I think it's a simple routing problem Jun 30 11:07:59 I can't seem to ping my gateway from the freerunner Jun 30 11:09:56 Ainulindale: then its not routing , since you have not yet been routed :) Jun 30 11:12:09 I got "No package 'gconf-2.0' found" error , But libgconf2.0 is installed. PKG_CONFIG_PATH is set to /home/opendeep/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/pkgconfig Jun 30 11:12:22 Do you know any shop that can sell Free runner by paypal ? Jun 30 11:13:43 https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=Shop&thiscat=8 Jun 30 11:16:36 Zoup: my gateway isn't the host, in fact Jun 30 11:16:44 So I put the host as the gateway for the freerunner Jun 30 11:16:51 I ping correctly the host Jun 30 11:17:02 But when it goes outside, plonk, nothing Jun 30 11:17:13 And I can't tell why I did everything I usually do Jun 30 11:26:33 Yay, my bad :-) Jun 30 11:26:55 Then, how to install a package ? Jun 30 11:28:51 forgot enabling forwarding? Jun 30 11:29:07 Nope, I enabled it then disabled it Jun 30 11:29:31 is "harray" from OM somethimes here in the channel? Jun 30 11:29:40 s/harray/harry Jun 30 11:32:05 xming: never seen Jun 30 11:32:22 xming: if they are - rarely. Jun 30 11:33:51 Woops. "Signature check failed Jun 30 11:33:52 " Jun 30 11:33:56 well then the only choice is to spam his mailbox and when I am in .tw I will have to spam hist voicemail :) Jun 30 11:50:12 I can't understand why opkg can't update.. Jun 30 11:52:08 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rde0f0d0c4065 10/packages/pidgin/ (pidgin.inc pidgin_2.4.2.bb): pidgin: add 2.4.2 Jun 30 11:52:08 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r423dea7fc461 10/odeviced/src/daemon/plugin.vala: made conf a read only property Jun 30 11:52:08 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r423dea7fc461 10/odeviced/src/daemon/plugin.vala: made conf a read only property Jun 30 11:52:10 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rc422045604d1 10/packages/images/beagleboard-demo-image.bb: beagleboard-demo-image: add pidgin and irssi Jun 30 11:52:13 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rda2b49203449 10/packages/mozilla/ (23 files in 3 dirs): firefox 3: remove #if 0 from TLS checking code, replace _pthread_self() with 255255 Jun 30 11:53:41 Oh, apparently it isn't a problem. Jun 30 11:54:36 openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * rc119e1a63207 10/packages/obexftp/ (obexftp_0.20.bb obexftp_0.22.bb): obexftp: update to version 0.22 Jun 30 11:54:36 openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * r14a4654706e1 10/packages/sysfsutils/sysfsutils_2.1.0.bb: sysfsutils: simplify recipe and bump PR Jun 30 11:54:36 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r2d37031e5632 10/odeviced/Makefile.am: generate odeviced.vapi for use by the plugins Jun 30 11:54:38 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r24083161e305 10/packages/mozilla/firefox_3.0.bb: firefox3: apply debian patch to support building against gcc 4.3.x Jun 30 11:54:41 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r012770c0a11a 10/odeviced/ (11 files in 4 dirs): Jun 30 11:54:44 freesmartphone.org: Revert "generate odeviced.vapi for use by the plugins" Jun 30 11:54:50 freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit a6e895e7cb5e537b5ad83e5e340ade6db21d09ed. Jun 30 11:54:52 openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * r9abbf64213e1 10/packages/cmake/ (cmake-native_2.4.8.bb cmake.inc cmake_2.4.8.bb): cmake: move definition of CMAKE_MAJOR_VERSION into python function in .inc Jun 30 11:54:55 openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * re3c9462fecb1 10/packages/ (25 files in 4 dirs): olsr: consolidate olsr and olsrd into a common directory Jun 30 11:54:58 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r012770c0a11a 10/odeviced/ (11 files in 4 dirs): Jun 30 11:55:03 freesmartphone.org: Revert "generate odeviced.vapi for use by the plugins" Jun 30 11:55:05 freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit a6e895e7cb5e537b5ad83e5e340ade6db21d09ed. Jun 30 11:55:07 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r2d37031e5632 10/odeviced/Makefile.am: generate odeviced.vapi for use by the plugins Jun 30 11:55:10 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rb2cbbca16f49 10/packages/mozilla/firefox_3.0.bb: firefox 3: replace internal js version with one that isn't horribly broken Jun 30 11:55:15 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * ra6e895e7cb5e 10/odeviced/ (11 files in 4 dirs): generate odeviced.vapi for use by the plugins Jun 30 11:55:18 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * ra6e895e7cb5e 10/odeviced/ (11 files in 4 dirs): generate odeviced.vapi for use by the plugins Jun 30 11:57:12 It keeps throwing an error though Jun 30 11:57:44 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra63aa69a1abc 10/examples/gsm-log-data.py: examples/gsm-log-data.py: add automatic call answering to example Jun 30 11:58:02 openmoko: 03zecke * r0c2ea423d9ae 10/src/libraries/qtopia/themedview.cpp: [theme] Do not allow to layout on mouse press/release Jun 30 11:59:24 openmoko: 03zecke * r0c2ea423d9ae 10/src/libraries/qtopia/themedview.cpp: [theme] Do not allow to layout on mouse press/release Jun 30 11:59:24 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * ra681789234b4 10/odeviced/src/plugins/rtc/ (6 files): Jun 30 11:59:24 freesmartphone.org: * add rtc-helpers.vapi Jun 30 11:59:24 freesmartphone.org: * Plugin entirely written in vala now Jun 30 11:59:27 freesmartphone.org: * no need for rtc.c,.h now Jun 30 12:04:30 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * ra681789234b4 10/odeviced/src/plugins/rtc/ (6 files): Jun 30 12:04:30 freesmartphone.org: * add rtc-helpers.vapi Jun 30 12:04:30 freesmartphone.org: * Plugin entirely written in vala now Jun 30 12:04:30 freesmartphone.org: * no need for rtc.c,.h now Jun 30 12:04:46 this is weird o.o Jun 30 12:06:36 Is freerunner usefull? Or should i wait for a update? Jun 30 12:16:04 Well, problem solved. Now, what should I install ? :-) Jun 30 12:44:09 hi all, I have neo 1973 and I want to remove the top cover, but I couldn't find the two Torx screws (T6x40), can anyone please guide me how can I do that ? Jun 30 12:45:16 open the back case Jun 30 12:45:29 see the TORX being at the bottom, slightly left and right next to the case hole Jun 30 12:53:03 mickely, Am using wxWidgets and gstreamer library to developed media application for moko but wxWidgets wont allow me to add gst/gst.h any Idea ? Jun 30 12:58:25 when im building a package in moko im getting a error like this " ERROR: function do_compile failed ERROR: log data follows (/home/qvantel/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/pixman-0.9.6-r0/temp/log.do_compile.32644) | NOTE: make | make all-recursive | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/qvantel/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/pixman-0.9.6-r0/pixman-0.9.6' | Making all in pixman | make[2]: Entering directory `/home/qvantel/mok Jun 30 12:58:25 o/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/pixman-0.9.6-r0/pixman-0.9.6/pixman' ". can anyone help in resolving this error?? Jun 30 13:03:16 look in the log file specified Jun 30 13:16:21 rwhitby::Can you see this link , he had the same error what I get and but solution is not understandable for me.http://markmail.org/message/appgwaimmd76k3wq?q=No+package+'gconf-2%2E0'+found+in+openmoko%3F&page=1&refer=appgwaimmd76k3wq Jun 30 13:17:11 opendeep: no idea Jun 30 13:17:28 I haven't used the toolchain by itself. Jun 30 13:21:33 hi all Jun 30 13:21:44 hi Jun 30 13:22:00 is there a link to the System Programmer manual of the S3C2410T Processor? Jun 30 13:22:17 Samsung has put all the docs under registration Jun 30 13:22:17 can the freerunner be synchronized with kde desktops reasonably? for PIM applications / information? Jun 30 13:22:31 and on the wiki there is just the user manual Jun 30 13:22:57 rwhitby:I get "NO package gconf2.o found" error, I have already installed libgconf2.0, there is a message after error like "set PKG_CONFIG_PATH properly" Jun 30 13:23:57 in .bashrc set PKG_CONFIG_PATH =/home/opendeep/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/pkgconfig Jun 30 13:24:28 good morning, how does one build an FSO image ? Jun 30 13:24:46 Using the MokoMakefile, "make fso-image" Jun 30 13:25:02 np: Bob the Builder - Making an FSO image, yes we can. Jun 30 13:25:09 Where can I get an overview of how to use the qemu emulation? which keys are actually doing something? Jun 30 13:25:18 rwhitby: cool thanx ! Jun 30 13:25:21 buntfalke: IIRC space and return are the only ones Jun 30 13:25:28 buntfalke: aux and power Jun 30 13:25:53 and the rest is cursor? Jun 30 13:25:56 hm. Jun 30 13:26:05 and just left mouse button, i assume? Jun 30 13:29:07 Where can I find the System Programmer manual of the S3C2410T Processor? I'd like to start system programming with the Neo1973 Jun 30 13:29:55 Ghiottone|work: What's your understanding of a "System Programmer manual"? Jun 30 13:31:10 How do i get to this "main menu" screen for instance, where all the application icons are? Jun 30 13:31:27 abraxa__: a manual that includes info on programming the processor from scratch. I mean initializations, protected/supervisor mode, task switching etc Jun 30 13:31:32 starting from the "running" screen Jun 30 13:31:36 * buntfalke doesnt quite get how to use it Jun 30 13:33:10 abraxa__: I had a quick look at this http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productRightMenuDown.do?doc_file=26537 but it does not seem to be enough Jun 30 13:33:45 abraxa__: for intel processors, there are three volumes. The last of which is the system programmer and includes info very useful for os developers Jun 30 13:34:10 abraxa__: that's why I'm looking for a "system programmer manual" Jun 30 13:36:42 Ghiottone|work, remember the FreeRunner uses Samsung 2442B Jun 30 13:37:40 Ghiottone|work: http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productInfo.do?fmly_id=229&partnum=SC32442 Jun 30 13:37:45 Good luck getting at the docs... Jun 30 13:38:28 HauDyrArb: I have a Neo1973 Jun 30 13:38:46 You need a fake corporate website. Jun 30 13:38:50 Or even a real one. Jun 30 13:39:07 Ghiottone|work, ok so never mind :-) Jun 30 13:39:35 abraxa__: I have already seen that page. And I know that registration is needed. I'm asking here in the hope that someone has a copy to share Jun 30 13:40:13 Ghiottone|work: google is your friend Jun 30 13:40:42 Ghiottone|work, i think the manual looks pretty extensive it goes thrugh all the registers and stuff. Jun 30 13:41:03 Ghiottone|work: Gotcha Jun 30 13:42:08 599 pages of goodness :-) Jun 30 13:56:40 Can qtopia be synced with kde? Jun 30 14:19:24 hi Jun 30 14:21:58 hi PBeck Jun 30 14:27:00 hi HauDyrArb :) Jun 30 14:54:38 so is there a skype client for openmoko? Jun 30 14:55:52 joss dont think so Jun 30 14:56:01 no, there is not Jun 30 14:57:05 and only if they make skype GPL or recompile skype themselves will it be avalible Jun 30 14:57:45 with a bit of hacking someone might Jun 30 14:57:57 soddit, I hit enter instead of delete Jun 30 14:58:04 Not Skype though. Could we use SIP based Ekiga? Jun 30 14:58:24 you could use the backend stuff from ekiga, but not the interface itself Jun 30 14:59:05 just fixup telepathy to have full SIP support Jun 30 14:59:25 Does someone know if it is possible to synchronize contact / calendar information with kde? Jun 30 15:01:39 XorA, using wine for instance or what Jun 30 15:01:54 they have a skype for arm cause you can install that on the n810 Jun 30 15:02:04 you have to pay though, i think Jun 30 15:02:39 isn't the n810 a different arm version than the neo/freerunner? Jun 30 15:03:05 yes Jun 30 15:03:23 HauDyrArb: I was thinking the n810 skype, but that wont work Jun 30 15:05:41 balrog-k1n: hmm, is n810 linux based embedded phone? Jun 30 15:06:06 it is not really a phone, but it is a linux based pda like thing Jun 30 15:06:50 it's nokia's "internet tablet" Jun 30 15:07:24 hmm, seems so, wonder wether it is an open one, in a sence that full access to flash chips etc.? Jun 30 15:07:37 it's not overly open Jun 30 15:07:52 the OS contains many proprietary components and the wifi chip needs a prop. kernel module Jun 30 15:08:08 right Jun 30 15:08:13 but you can put what you want on it Jun 30 15:08:33 the architecture wasn't very open either but almost everything has been reverse egineered by users now Jun 30 15:09:05 yeah there was that project for a free software distro for it, just sad such is needed Jun 30 15:09:13 dunno how it goes for them Jun 30 15:11:13 mjr: hmm, wonder wether they reverse engineered the skype binary also:)? Jun 30 15:11:36 seems like a device called sony mylo has something like vericall edge that can do skype voip Jun 30 15:12:39 joss: you have to pay for the skype binary even on the n810 Jun 30 15:12:51 joss, no they didn't Jun 30 15:12:59 otherwise i'm sure it could run on the Neo despite the differences Jun 30 15:13:02 it's not an integral part about the tablet anyway Jun 30 15:13:22 balrog: the nokias are an omap/dsp combo. the dsp code will be a showstopper. Jun 30 15:13:31 hmm, can it be baught to openmoko as well? Jun 30 15:13:56 just forget about it Jun 30 15:14:00 juri_: afaik the dsp is ever only used on maemo through gstreamer Jun 30 15:14:17 and gstreamer has fallback implementations for stuff Jun 30 15:15:19 i don't know it well, though Jun 30 15:15:52 i own one. but i havent done any programming for it. too non-free. Jun 30 15:16:23 yea, same here Jun 30 15:16:29 except getting qemu to run on it Jun 30 15:16:38 nice. Jun 30 15:16:40 in fact it's a good testing platform Jun 30 15:16:51 juri_: so you have access to the skype binary? Jun 30 15:17:01 joss: nope. never got it. Jun 30 15:17:23 Yeah. I was tempted to buy one of them tablets since a guy offered me a discount code but didn't really appeal. Jun 30 15:17:39 juri_: what about other binaries, can you copy those to somewhere, have you got access to them? Jun 30 15:17:49 balrog: hows the x86 emulation? it'd be nice to have another (albeit slow, wireless) node on my cluster. Jun 30 15:18:04 joss: you can download them from nokia's website Jun 30 15:18:13 joss: they have images like openmoko Jun 30 15:18:41 juri_: hah... singleminded Jun 30 15:18:51 balrog: always. :) Jun 30 15:19:03 juri_: i did run an x86 kernel for a test, it booted up to userspace and i killed it Jun 30 15:19:05 balrog-k1n: hmm, so the there is access to filesystem too, not only some downloading folders? Jun 30 15:19:09 it took it probably about 20mins Jun 30 15:19:28 wow. ok, too slow to use. :) Jun 30 15:19:33 joss: yeah, it even ships with a terminal emulator Jun 30 15:19:47 joss: maemo is based on debian Jun 30 15:20:41 balrog-k1n: cool, so skype could be bought from nokia, and if there is a luck, it can run on other embedded systems? Jun 30 15:20:59 what is this obsession with skype... Jun 30 15:21:22 mjr: large majority of users using it Jun 30 15:21:24 joss: maybe.. i guess you'd have to try to know for sure Jun 30 15:22:12 balrog-k1n: indeed, libs should have to me matched particularly those libc versions Jun 30 15:22:44 should have to me/should have to Jun 30 15:22:54 match Jun 30 15:28:18 balrog-k1n: have you seen a smartphone that could to cdma 450mhz, internet here is offered so? Jun 30 15:30:55 joss: that could run linux? Jun 30 15:31:09 balrog-k1n: yes Jun 30 15:31:47 joss: i don't know about recent phones models, but you should have a look at the handhelds.org's supported devices list in their wiki Jun 30 15:41:30 joss, i think (kinda sure) people reversed skype already Jun 30 15:42:03 TAsnn: nope.. Jun 30 15:42:34 there's the whole encryption thing you have to deal with Jun 30 15:43:09 Qwell, oh. cause my father is using a client called fring to use skype on his n95 Jun 30 15:44:56 doesn't necessarily mean they've RE'd it Jun 30 15:45:14 but *shrug*, as long as the information isn't public Jun 30 15:49:02 TAsnn: that is for microsoft soft Jun 30 15:49:02 well i don't use skype anyway. :) Jun 30 15:49:18 joss, also for symbian. Jun 30 15:49:50 which is going open source so i guess with enough free time one could build an emulator for it :) Jun 30 15:52:03 The "how fring works" image looks like they use a gateway for skype access. I would hazard a guess that they're using Skype's libs on said gateway Jun 30 15:52:45 mjr, they may. one could build a gateway of his own and interface to it with a client for om. Jun 30 15:53:17 the possibilities are endless, time isn't :) Jun 30 15:53:45 for all practical purposes time is also endless :P Jun 30 15:53:52 <`pwgen`> su - Jun 30 15:57:41 * mwester waits patiently for `pwgen` to type his root password... Jun 30 15:59:38 <`pwgen`> root . what else ... Jun 30 15:59:40 <`pwgen`> *G* Jun 30 16:02:52 "make me a sandwich!" - "do it yourself" - "sudo make me a sandwich" - "ok" :-D Jun 30 16:03:10 why not simply sudo !! Jun 30 16:03:39 Sudo blows. Jun 30 16:04:00 im with dave on this one. Jun 30 16:04:22 especially since he has a free runner :) Jun 30 16:04:23 it's good for jokes. And it's great for giving out specific rights, wildcard sudo ... well that's another thing. Jun 30 16:05:24 * webar7 gets set to buy a freerunner .... Jun 30 16:05:26 Hi! if I remeber well, the neo has wifi and a graphic acceleration unit Jun 30 16:05:27 i forget Jun 30 16:05:31 can it run olsr? Jun 30 16:05:40 can I charge the phone using USB ? Jun 30 16:06:09 kheldar: the neo dosent. the freerunner does. Jun 30 16:06:14 webar7: yes, you can. Jun 30 16:06:18 nice Jun 30 16:06:31 as a matter of fact, thats the only way to charge it. :) Jun 30 16:06:32 so should I sell my blackberry and my RIM shares? Jun 30 16:06:37 oh Jun 30 16:07:21 the picture I see has "power, usb and gps ports" Jun 30 16:07:24 Thanks, Tasnn :P Jun 30 16:07:47 textshell, no Sudo Gone Wild tales, please :P Jun 30 16:08:24 I'm working on a "games on mobile platforms with olsr" end-of-studies project so I was wondering if it could be a demo platform (anyway, there are unlocked iphones and some EEE arund so I can always play with those but ... ) Jun 30 16:08:24 webar, hardly. Jun 30 16:08:24 * webar7 uses kerberos and ksu :) Jun 30 16:08:35 Though Nokia is shitting it's pants, figuratively. Jun 30 16:08:42 Dave, will RIM shares go up ? Jun 30 16:08:45 Dave: no, this is not the place for unrelated tales, and i don't even have any about that ;) Jun 30 16:08:56 :D Jun 30 16:09:15 It was cute, I took my dog to the park this morning, with two gta02s. Jun 30 16:09:16 nokia deserves some suffering, after the 770/800/810 fiascos. Jun 30 16:09:34 They collected gps data, tracking my movements, synchronously. :] Jun 30 16:09:38 * juri_ isn't happy with nokia's idea of 'open'. Jun 30 16:09:46 Dave, RIM doubled its profit and folks dumped the stock because it invested some of the profit into R&D and marketing Jun 30 16:09:51 juri, in that it's not open? :p Jun 30 16:10:00 juri_: fiascos? I'm happy (ish) with my 800, even if it's not as open as I'd like Jun 30 16:10:02 Dave, supposedly due to the "iphone competition" sigh Jun 30 16:10:05 juri_: GTA01=1973, GTA02=FreeRunner, Neo=GTA-series Jun 30 16:10:06 Yeah Jun 30 16:10:14 I was a bit skeptical about that too. Jun 30 16:10:20 dave: technically, neither is the openmoko. ;) Jun 30 16:10:28 hah Jun 30 16:10:31 * Dave shrugs Jun 30 16:10:32 hehe Jun 30 16:10:38 but, you fight your battles one line of code at a time. Jun 30 16:10:41 call it what you will Jun 30 16:10:44 webar7: haha, idiot investors Jun 30 16:10:45 juri_, lol. Jun 30 16:10:56 you mean ONE DEVELOPER AT A TIME... Jun 30 16:11:01 * Dave draws his sword Jun 30 16:11:03 doc|home, true Jun 30 16:11:04 >:) Jun 30 16:11:10 What's up, Doc? :) Jun 30 16:11:18 * juri_ draws her sword. :P Jun 30 16:11:46 THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! :P Jun 30 16:11:47 Dave: the number of times someone has said that to me :) ( by one ) Jun 30 16:11:53 YES! Jun 30 16:12:01 hey does openmoko wiki or site have instructions on how to set up some of the server side equivalents that blackberrys use ? Jun 30 16:12:07 Doc, and the number of times someone has made a HAL joke to me? Jun 30 16:12:13 ~_~ Jun 30 16:12:14 STOP DOING THAT! Jun 30 16:12:18 Yeah, I think we get the picture. Jun 30 16:12:36 Dave: hah Jun 30 16:12:36 juri_: that freerunner has ts also? Jun 30 16:12:42 * Dave draws his freerunner Jun 30 16:12:47 like 5 steps on how to set up Zimbra to work with your openmoko etc Jun 30 16:12:47 Prepare yourself, Juri! Jun 30 16:12:53 joss: touchscreen? yes. Jun 30 16:12:53 >:) Jun 30 16:13:02 yes Jun 30 16:13:50 dave: true trivia: i have a sword. brought home by my grandfather in WW2. :P Jun 30 16:14:10 I have many :] Jun 30 16:14:23 its been highly maltreated, however. :/ Jun 30 16:14:23 You are welcome to come by and admire my miniscule collection :) Jun 30 16:14:28 Aww Jun 30 16:14:31 where did your father get a sword in WWII? Jun 30 16:14:32 This is unfortunate. Jun 30 16:14:43 Doc, killing an infidel? Jun 30 16:15:05 Dave: infidels never carried swords in WWII :) Jun 30 16:15:06 doc: he had a story, but i've forgotten most of it, and assume parts are embelishment, anyways. Jun 30 16:15:17 juri_: hah, was he in the pacific? Jun 30 16:15:23 right Jun 30 16:15:27 jungle warfare? Jun 30 16:15:30 that much i can confirm. :) Jun 30 16:15:34 Held up a pawn shop? :D Jun 30 16:15:37 ok, that can make some sense Jun 30 16:15:39 Dave: hah Jun 30 16:15:39 * Dave rolls his eyes and laughs. Jun 30 16:15:42 juri_: dare to try out? http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/pool/chinook/user/s/skype/ Jun 30 16:15:57 joss: no thanks. non-free. :) Jun 30 16:16:05 * doc|work stabs skype Jun 30 16:16:09 YES Jun 30 16:16:15 ok, some other guy? Jun 30 16:16:20 Down with the unbelievers! Jun 30 16:16:27 Oh, and their terrible applications :] Jun 30 16:16:39 joss: you might have better luck in #maemo Jun 30 16:16:40 juri__: that balrog-k1n referred to images, those seem to be deb binaries Jun 30 16:17:12 joss: most of us had to upgrade to a new OS, thats only available as a image, and you have to enter the serial of your unit to download it. Jun 30 16:17:20 i think thats what he was refering to. Jun 30 16:17:25 doc|work: i am not interested much about that tablet, more to see if those skype binaries run on other embedded systems Jun 30 16:17:45 ah Jun 30 16:18:20 the serial for the image downloads is googlable Jun 30 16:18:27 hehe Jun 30 16:19:55 googlable? Jun 30 16:20:08 Oy. Jun 30 16:23:55 doc|work: but actually i do not see a reason why they should not, possibly some other libc version symbol lib needed and any other dep! Jun 30 16:24:04 doc|work: openmoko is arm based also, yes? Jun 30 16:25:30 joss: armv4 Jun 30 16:26:03 joss: maemo packages are built for armv5, but i'm sure skype isn't being built together with the rest of maemo Jun 30 16:26:51 joss: yep, and no idea. Jun 30 16:26:55 plus a lot of armv5 can be emulated in the kernel on armv4 (i do that at the moment so that i don't need two different cross toolchains on the desktop) Jun 30 16:29:00 ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 , but deps other then dbus/gstreamer are not seen, guess ldd-in from host i686 just does not work, but i assume it should be qtopia based Jun 30 16:29:33 probably not Jun 30 16:30:07 mjr: probably not qtopia based? Jun 30 16:30:15 indeed Jun 30 16:31:16 Skype and Opera have long been mainstays of Nokia's Maemo-based Tablet OS series, albeit likely with built-in Qt libraries or else Jun 30 16:31:19 from linux/devices Jun 30 16:31:36 err, linuxdevices.org Jun 30 16:32:58 so indeed not Jun 30 16:33:55 the reason I ask is cause some companies want some kind of "backend" they can run (??) ... equivalent to blackberry enterprise server or something Jun 30 16:34:03 so Jun 30 16:34:41 why not give them what they think they want :) Jun 30 16:34:45 http://www.mokoloco.net/ Jun 30 16:35:31 webar7: weird stuff Jun 30 16:35:49 haha Jun 30 16:35:57 that's just a joke site :) Jun 30 16:37:14 I think the idea was to show that pretty much anything BlackBerry does openmoko could do .... Jun 30 16:37:20 for less that 70billion :) Jun 30 16:38:23 mjr: so you think it is gtk? Jun 30 16:38:37 I still do not understand why blackberry got sued Jun 30 16:38:45 openmoko (and its ilk to come) are more reason to worry about RIM's shareprice than friggin' iPhone ... but I guess that's too "long term" for day traderz Jun 30 16:38:54 I am not sure you can patent email nowadays Jun 30 16:39:01 goodwill|nap, idiots grant patents Jun 30 16:39:19 I know that much Jun 30 16:39:25 but its basically email Jun 30 16:39:29 of course RIM now has a *new shiny* patentable technology ... sigh Jun 30 16:39:57 again what is that? email? Jun 30 16:40:15 goodwill, most likely because the judge didn't understand that "wireless email" is not a thing that is really uhh patentable Jun 30 16:41:19 goodwill, yeah "email over wireless but totally unique and different than what you are thinking" Jun 30 16:42:31 * xming goes to patent wireless IRC Jun 30 16:42:36 well, imap push is a server side thing so OM need not worry about that Jun 30 16:42:37 hehe Jun 30 16:42:59 xming, go for paper as well while you're at it Jun 30 16:43:16 AFAIK most people forgot to patent a lot of communications done "over paper" Jun 30 16:43:19 or boiling water Jun 30 16:43:41 that would be sweet to own the patent for :D Jun 30 16:43:42 * xming patents irc over drumsets Jun 30 16:43:43 I already have that one Jun 30 16:44:01 irc over voice Jun 30 16:44:04 xming: I think russellb has prior art on that one Jun 30 16:44:18 live irc using human voices Jun 30 16:44:28 Qwell: are you sure? I really mean IRC, not just chat :p Jun 30 16:44:32 yes, i did that :-p Jun 30 16:44:34 see above Jun 30 16:44:35 i.e. I have a patent on ... "meetings" Jun 30 16:44:52 which I argue are the same as IRC over voice Jun 30 16:45:04 since most do not use roberts rules etc Jun 30 16:45:07 voice under IP is so much better than Voice over IP Jun 30 16:45:18 meetings in the hallway meetings in the street Jun 30 16:45:19 etc Jun 30 16:46:49 the lawyer said forget trying to enforce that patent ... anyway since we evolved from apes there's prior art Jun 30 16:47:28 I say we just gotta find a fundamentalist christian judge and *kaching* Jun 30 16:47:39 * xming patetns the wireless 1-2-many many-2-1 many-2-many communication with a orinary keyboard and a shinny thing Jun 30 16:48:15 webar7: lol Jun 30 16:49:59 damn! we forgot the shiny thing .... Jun 30 16:50:06 nooooo .... Jun 30 16:50:43 hehe Jun 30 16:50:51 all your shinny things belong to us? Jun 30 17:00:05 hmm Jun 30 17:00:15 i find the openmoko very tempting Jun 30 17:00:26 but... Jun 30 17:00:40 i need 3g on the freerunner Jun 30 17:00:49 and i'd love to be able to run it in some kind of emulator Jun 30 17:00:53 well you won't have it Jun 30 17:00:58 i know :( Jun 30 17:01:09 well you can, but that's not what you really want, as it's slow Jun 30 17:01:25 you mean gprs? Jun 30 17:01:41 or running the openmoko in an emulator Jun 30 17:01:45 no, emulator Jun 30 17:01:54 how slow is slow? Jun 30 17:02:01 mjr: barring USB Jun 30 17:02:09 netsurf3: 10-40% of real Jun 30 17:02:15 barring. Jun 30 17:02:15 netsurf3: dependisng on your CPU Jun 30 17:02:15 thats not too bad Jun 30 17:02:24 2700+ Jun 30 17:02:26 amd Jun 30 17:02:33 netsurf3, what you want is to compile openmoko for x86 and run it natively on your desktop. Jun 30 17:02:41 Yeah - that. Jun 30 17:02:46 for most thing that you do on the desktop, anyway Jun 30 17:02:47 hmm Jun 30 17:03:05 Taht will give adequate performance on anything over a P100. Jun 30 17:03:07 (there may be some niches were an emulator could be useful) Jun 30 17:03:22 * SpeedEvil giggles at the concept of compiling OM on a P100. Jun 30 17:03:24 i basically want to see what the interface is like Jun 30 17:03:29 actually Jun 30 17:03:32 thinking about it Jun 30 17:03:36 i have a laptop kicking around Jun 30 17:03:47 the original mmx p1 Jun 30 17:03:54 64mb ram though Jun 30 17:03:56 of course, then there's the thing that "which interface" ;] Jun 30 17:04:01 Yeah. Jun 30 17:04:02 just use qemu, heh Jun 30 17:04:05 There are about 3 Jun 30 17:04:09 hmm Jun 30 17:04:28 is there an easy way of doing this ? qemu would be fine Jun 30 17:04:30 or vbox Jun 30 17:04:42 it's on the wiki Jun 30 17:04:50 what are the search terms? Jun 30 17:04:59 i'd be very interested in playing with this Jun 30 17:05:30 netsurf3: there is a link on the home page of wiki.openmoko.org Jun 30 17:06:07 this is one such guide ... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Automatic_emulation_in_Ubuntu Jun 30 17:06:30 there are other pages that cover it .. Jun 30 17:10:21 russellb: is there any easy way to do that without needing to install that monster package list? Jun 30 17:10:36 who has fso imaged flashed here, need a little help Jun 30 17:11:08 nuclear_eclipse: some of them dont' look required, by YMMV Jun 30 17:18:19 anyone know if wakealarm can be -1? Jun 30 17:39:23 there's qemu image of OM emulator?!? Jun 30 17:39:33 me want Jun 30 17:40:24 webar7, wiki.openmoko.org search "MokoMakefile". Jun 30 17:41:00 .. Jun 30 17:41:02 yee Jun 30 17:41:04 haw Jun 30 17:47:25 about to setup a dev environment for OM, choosing between Ubuntu 8.04 Desktop and 8.04 server... any advantage with a gui? I am only trying to port some device drivers. Jun 30 17:51:00 Hi all, has the full wlan stack for Atheros been ported to OM? Jun 30 17:51:27 different atheros from what you're thinking Jun 30 17:51:48 mjr: ah, how so? Jun 30 18:02:03 hi Jun 30 18:21:56 hi, ppl here with experience with www.pulster.de ? Jun 30 18:22:52 henkie: soon I'll get some :)) Jun 30 18:23:20 cozub, hehe, ok Jun 30 18:23:36 i find it kinda strange they dont have ssl, so a little wary Jun 30 18:24:13 but the price seemed right to me :) Jun 30 18:24:25 and they have already sold out for the first batch Jun 30 18:24:30 They don't have ssl on the store? Jun 30 18:24:45 I would never send my CC info over an open connection... Jun 30 18:24:45 wurp2, not that i could find Jun 30 18:24:59 wurp2, they dont accept cc, but a wire transfer Jun 30 18:25:12 but still Jun 30 18:25:14 well, I'm part of a "group order"-kind-of, so we're buying from them, but I haven't communicated with them myself Jun 30 18:25:21 Sending your checking acct info over open connection is even more dangerous Jun 30 18:25:29 yet I believe we basically ordered by mail, paid by money order Jun 30 18:25:40 Since you can contest a CC charge Jun 30 18:25:52 wurp2, i believe they will send you the account info where to send to Jun 30 18:25:57 ah, sending it by mail should be no prob Jun 30 18:25:59 do you think openmoko will get sold out quickly in europe or can i take my time with buying it? (kinda equivalent to "how many units were sent?") Jun 30 18:26:20 TAsn: the UK company that johnl & Tig| bought from was sold out Jun 30 18:26:35 damn. :\ Jun 30 18:26:41 same with pulstart Jun 30 18:26:43 -r Jun 30 18:26:56 uh, www.pulster.de :) Jun 30 18:26:59 TAsn: I don't think any EU distributor has any stock left. Jun 30 18:27:54 abraxa__, sucks to be me :( Jun 30 18:28:12 You can still pre-order and hope Jun 30 18:28:19 hehe Jun 30 18:28:29 No one in the US has yet had a purchase option, even Jun 30 18:28:34 the other DE shop said they can give me 30 by 15th, so it does not take too much Jun 30 18:28:38 You EU guys are so spoiled Jun 30 18:28:56 lol :) Jun 30 18:28:58 Of course, it's a little more expensive over there :-) Jun 30 18:29:03 i just saw that the french site is much more expensive than the british one. Jun 30 18:29:18 LionKMP, whicck shop? Jun 30 18:29:47 wurp2, i wish you could say that about me, but im sad since im not from the eu, and my uncle is coming from the eu for a visit and i hoped he may bring me one ;\ Jun 30 18:30:05 henkie: Golden Delicious Computers Jun 30 18:30:11 TAsn: And you didn't mind if it's EU frequencies instead of US? Jun 30 18:30:32 Or are the EU shops offering a way to buy 850/1900 ones? Jun 30 18:30:34 wurp2, im not from the us either... i need the 900 Jun 30 18:30:39 hmm, 350 euro Jun 30 18:30:44 TAsn: heh Jun 30 18:30:47 wurp2, :) Jun 30 18:31:25 henkie: I got better price for 10 packs, but I think you also have to ask them for offer. (And that 350 includes puche and headset) Jun 30 18:31:58 (I mean, if you have a group of buyers.) Jun 30 18:32:25 see, that's why i am said i don't think moko will ever get here. furthermore for some reason ffc and efc (is it called efc?) are not sufficient where i live so customs will probably won't let an order go through. :( Jun 30 18:32:35 ehm, pouche and headset is included in single too. I mean, the group buyer may mean better price. Jun 30 18:32:56 btw. pulster.de, if I understand it correctly, doesn't give a s... about that bulk (10) offer... they can offer some discount for huge sale (30+ or something like that), but to get puch/headset, you have to financially bleed... the same with debug board Jun 30 18:33:12 from pulster.de :What you get: new Openmoko Freerunner unit, complete accessories included: rechargable battery, USB connectivity cable, power charger with three plugs, memory card (512mb microSD with adapter), stylus. Jun 30 18:33:34 Iopted for debug board, but went w/o pouch/headset, as the prices seemed unreasonable to me Jun 30 18:33:46 yes. however I got free shipping offer for 30 to Hungary. :) Jun 30 18:33:53 from bearstech you also get a pouch and an headset, that's why it's so costy. ;\ Jun 30 18:34:09 cozub, ok, if i want a headset, i'd better go with Golden delicious? Jun 30 18:34:21 puche price is the same as I paid here for my Moto's "bag". Jun 30 18:34:30 * LionKMP tired :-p Jun 30 18:34:31 would make it a lot easier :) Jun 30 18:34:58 henkie: no idead about the other, but in pulster you have to buy them extra, check their web, it's listed there (now I'm in a text-terminal only... can't check and don't rememberm all I remember was my eye popping out bc of the price :)) ) Jun 30 18:35:21 cozub, i see, phone itself costs 299 there Jun 30 18:35:22 LionKMP: maybe I'm just too poor :) Jun 30 18:35:29 i'll do some more checking Jun 30 18:35:47 pulster: 299 Euro + 19 + 9 for pouche+headset, Deli: 350 all together. Do the math :-p Jun 30 18:37:07 I asked for a 30pack from both, and Deli had a better offer at the end. :-) (I wonder how much of the 30 GroupSales signups are real!) Jun 30 18:37:58 LionKMP: you're managing a 30 phone group sale? Jun 30 18:38:05 yes Jun 30 18:38:09 good luck :) Jun 30 18:38:20 in CZ group the guy collected the $ first Jun 30 18:38:27 so I wonder if he's real =)) Jun 30 18:38:45 :D if won't go well, I do a single order and give a shit about the rest. Jun 30 18:38:45 hope nothing bad happened, did it?! Jun 30 18:39:06 nah, it seems ok Jun 30 18:39:09 so far Jun 30 18:39:11 he needs to collect, it would be difficult to pay 10*299 from pocket Jun 30 18:39:20 yeah, I understand Jun 30 18:39:36 it's just that you say you hope they're real... and from my perspective it's the other way ("he's real") Jun 30 18:40:03 lol I see, yep. Jun 30 18:40:05 greetings to all Jun 30 18:40:41 actually it would be easier to do individual orders maybe... Jun 30 18:40:59 the price difference is so far from the "promised", much less, from these resellers. Jun 30 18:41:27 greetings smhar Jun 30 18:41:39 does anyone knows of a reseller that ships internationally? Jun 30 18:42:02 all in would cost me around 370 euro, with a fancy pants headset Jun 30 18:42:28 I can not hold myself to wit for the openmoko store to open :-) Jun 30 18:42:34 anyway, is that headset real? how do we talk into a normal 3.5mm Jack ? Jun 30 18:42:42 You know about the frequency thing smhar ? Jun 30 18:43:05 SpeedEvil, no, what is it? Jun 30 18:43:06 smhar: what do you mean "international"? The German distributors supply EU. (maybe even more, let me check) Jun 30 18:43:16 which country you need? Jun 30 18:43:24 smhar: you can't use a EU version in the US reliably Jun 30 18:43:30 LionKMP, Bahrain Jun 30 18:43:38 i really don't know whether i want to order yet or not :\ Jun 30 18:43:47 smhar: it's a 3 band phone, the EU and US ve3rsions differ Jun 30 18:44:27 <`pwgen`> mickeyl: ping Jun 30 18:44:33 SpeedEvil, from what I know, we are mostly following EU starndards, but how to check? Jun 30 18:44:37 the 850mhz band the US version offers is useless depending on your provider and location Jun 30 18:44:55 smhar: find out from somewhere if your country uses 850 or 900MHz Jun 30 18:44:57 we use the 900 Jun 30 18:45:08 smhar: you could call your current provider and ask what frequency they use. Jun 30 18:45:11 smhar: Ok - then you do need the EU version, and the US version may not work Jun 30 18:45:19 oh, yep :-) Jun 30 18:45:58 does anyone know if there was a further update on the pick-up offer in the US? Jun 30 18:46:04 http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Shipping Jun 30 18:46:12 greet, but if the EU distributors only sell to within EU, how can I get one? will the openmoko store offer both with the option to choose Jun 30 18:46:29 smhar: I have no idea. Jun 30 18:46:31 smhar: check my link, that has a "wordwide" selection. Jun 30 18:46:33 smhar, eu do not sell only to the eu Jun 30 18:46:38 some of them anyway. Jun 30 18:46:44 smhar: what happens if you try to aask for elsewhere shipping Jun 30 18:47:45 send a mail to their sales address, they will kindly help and give you exact price if you give location. sales@handheld-linux.com Jun 30 18:48:15 But presumably if you buy from the EU, you pay EU prices even though you don't need (and may not get?) the EU dictated warranties Jun 30 18:49:09 ask sales@, I don't know. However outside EU they decrease the Gernam VAT and you pay that locally. (19% I think) Jun 30 18:49:18 19% the German, I mean. Jun 30 18:50:52 is it usable as a day to day phone? (only calls, battery life, alarm clock, sms, contacts and calender) Jun 30 18:51:15 TAsn: hold off a month or two maybe Jun 30 18:51:31 Does anyone know how suspend/resume are working on the FR with the shipped software? Jun 30 18:51:54 SpeedEvil, not usable yet? what does it lacking? Jun 30 18:52:19 TAsn: Mostly battery life, but stable calls are an issue too. Jun 30 18:52:32 wurp2, ouch. :\ Jun 30 18:52:41 And that's using ScaredyCat's release; I'm not sure if any OM release offers very much of your list right now :-( Jun 30 18:52:51 behdad, ping Jun 30 18:52:56 They did (except battery life) a couple of months ago Jun 30 18:53:13 then you can download those images :) Jun 30 18:53:29 wurp2, i c, do they ship with the couple of months ago version? Jun 30 18:53:34 LionKMP: Yeah, unless you want to install other apps Jun 30 18:53:50 what about pyneo and asu? Jun 30 18:54:03 LionKMP: 'cause then some of your base libraries will get updated, then you're screwed (speaking from experience) Jun 30 18:54:14 TAsn: Sorry, dunno about what ships on FR Jun 30 18:54:20 wurp2: ok, I see. Jun 30 18:54:21 asu == teh broken right now Jun 30 18:54:42 FR ships the GTK stuff afaik, not ASU at all. Jun 30 18:54:47 jandark: pong Jun 30 18:54:48 By pyneo I guess you mean underground/zad, and I think it is stable for calls, but I'm not sure what all is in there Jun 30 18:54:54 would be unfunny :) Jun 30 18:54:57 behdad, migam openmoko kharidi ? Jun 30 18:55:06 LionKMP, the couple of months old not developed since gtk? Jun 30 18:55:14 04.21. Jun 30 18:55:27 jandark: na Jun 30 18:55:34 but you are free to update any time to an unstable ASU image :-p Jun 30 18:55:49 does reflashing clear my DATA? Jun 30 18:55:54 yes Jun 30 18:56:03 all that's stored on the root fs Jun 30 18:56:07 can I export / import? would be cool :) Jun 30 18:56:08 LionKMP: Reflashing doesn't touch the sd card, but flattens everything on, well, flash Jun 30 18:56:12 However, uou can put it on the SD Jun 30 18:56:27 Or on a USB hard drive. Jun 30 18:56:37 The first thing I do after installing an image is rmdir /home/root and ln -s it to /media/card/home/root Jun 30 18:56:48 put sms-es and numbers and so on on SD? how copy some files? Jun 30 18:56:56 wurp2: wow Jun 30 18:56:57 nice Jun 30 18:57:22 like we do with a separate /home partition on a desktop Jun 30 18:57:36 is everything running as root? why? is that final? Jun 30 18:57:52 LionKMP: because nobodies fixed it Jun 30 18:58:10 SpeedEvil, reasonable enough. Jun 30 18:58:12 LionKMP: it's easier to dev for if you don't have to think about user/root splits. Jun 30 18:59:01 SpeedEvil, well making groups and granting privileges isn't supposed to be that hard. Jun 30 18:59:05 I see. I think that would be cool to fix anyway. Jun 30 18:59:17 yes, and suidroot for a few exe Jun 30 18:59:24 TAsn: Doing it right is hard. Jun 30 18:59:44 user programs on X shouldn't write to /etc and so on anyway. Jun 30 19:00:04 well, that leads too far, let's leave it for later ;-) Jun 30 19:00:08 SpeedEvil, doing it right is just decisions, the actual split isn't supposed to be hard. Jun 30 19:00:09 That's not so much the issue. Jun 30 19:00:23 TAsn: it also gets into policy. Jun 30 19:00:49 TAsn: for example - I might wish to give my child or mom a locked phone that they couldn't do much more than run installed apps on. Jun 30 19:01:14 TAsn: they could not install apps, run untrusted software, or remove certain features. Jun 30 19:03:02 SpeedEvil, of course, though the main issue is protecting the system from malicious code and preventing code from touching stuff it should not. Jun 30 19:03:15 <`pwgen`> mickeyl: ping Jun 30 19:03:16 splitting to users is a whole different issue. Jun 30 19:03:59 `pwgen`: pöng Jun 30 19:04:17 `pwgen`: Is there any documentation on the fso UI? E.g. what status bars live where, how to suspend, etc? Jun 30 19:05:24 <`pwgen`> wurp2: ask mickeyl. he is the one . and think he would say look at freesmartphone.org Jun 30 19:06:17 wurp2: unfortunately there's no documentation for the FSO UI at this point, since all our energy goes into the framework :( Jun 30 19:06:21 I'm really sorry about that Jun 30 19:06:35 but i have only so little manpower Jun 30 19:06:36 OK, np Jun 30 19:06:37 <`pwgen`> mickeyl: i am playing with the last andy branch an got problems with inputdevices ( AUX held while its up, and no touchscreen ) Jun 30 19:06:38 surely Jun 30 19:07:06 i'd love to work more on the UI, but for now the lower layers need my full attention Jun 30 19:07:22 and i hope that we all can crank the UI to a real cool thing once the framework is more stable Jun 30 19:07:37 I agree - I'm glad you guys are putting the attention where it is now Jun 30 19:09:05 `pwgen`: yeah, that's possible. for me andy branch does not compile at all atm. Jun 30 19:10:15 do you think an x86 (atom or something) moko will ever be out? :) Jun 30 19:10:24 <`pwgen`> mickeyl: add in defconfig the touchscreen jitter and disable sound modules gta02 when building for gta01 Jun 30 19:10:30 TAsn: x86 at the moment has real power problems Jun 30 19:10:41 TAsn: and the upcoming chips don't quite address that yet Jun 30 19:10:52 `pwgen`: do you have a working defconfig laying around? Jun 30 19:10:53 x86 is soo 90's Jun 30 19:10:55 SpeedEvil, oh. cool thing to know :) Jun 30 19:10:56 can someone configure openmoko.org (mainly LISTS) a way that visited links have another color please?? Jun 30 19:10:59 TAsn: they are 'low power' if you're coming from the laptop world. Jun 30 19:11:04 <`pwgen`> mickeyl: sure Jun 30 19:11:09 SpeedEvil, i c. Jun 30 19:11:20 TAsn: they are 'high power' if you've been expecting mobile phone battery life. Jun 30 19:11:46 reasonable enough. Jun 30 19:11:50 <`pwgen`> i can grab it from my /proc/config.gz (:-)) Jun 30 19:12:16 good :) Jun 30 19:13:12 <`pwgen`> or my new openmoko-develew_git.bb ? Jun 30 19:14:00 so whats the battery life? did anyone get the freerunner yet? Jun 30 19:14:29 alias ba say battery life is a work in progress. The powersaving software is in a very rudimentary state. Jun 30 19:15:46 Battery life is a work in progress. The powersaving software is in a very rudimentary state. At the moment 12h is about the most. A week standby and 6 hours talk,20 hours mp3 is probable. Jun 30 19:16:30 SpeedEvil, 12h standby? Jun 30 19:16:38 yes Jun 30 19:16:49 ouch. Jun 30 19:16:53 no usable at all. Jun 30 19:16:59 i *will* wait :) Jun 30 19:17:06 Debatable. Jun 30 19:17:09 SpeedEvil: That's w/o suspend, presumably? Jun 30 19:17:20 the first is Jun 30 19:17:27 12h Jun 30 19:17:47 yeah, that's the one I meant Jun 30 19:19:22 I'm getting one asap, but any eta on improved power? Jun 30 19:20:29 doc|home: 4838373*rand() seconds. Jun 30 19:21:18 As I understand it, suspend OOPSes right noow. Jun 30 19:21:34 heh Jun 30 19:21:42 Could be someone fixes that and it mostly works tomorrow. Jun 30 19:21:48 * doc|work nods Jun 30 19:22:29 TAsn: you could use it as a mini home computer meanwhile, I expect a lot of fun from it, until you can DEPEND on it as a full-time phone. :) Jun 30 19:23:04 LionKMP, i know, it is supposed to be fun, if you have free time, which i don't, well not enough. Jun 30 19:23:06 well its more a laptop with a gsm modem hooked up Jun 30 19:23:18 i may buy it close enough, not sure :) Jun 30 19:23:22 but i do need a phone. Jun 30 19:23:39 TAsn: you are chatting here since something like 3 hours ;-) Jun 30 19:23:41 but we need at least 18 hours battery so hook it on charge before bedtime Jun 30 19:23:54 I'd like to use it an audio player but I read of a bug on the list causing poor quality Jun 30 19:24:01 actually 12hr is sufficient for my needs, but still, it's an hard choice to make Jun 30 19:24:07 LionKMP, touche. Jun 30 19:24:07 it it HW or SW bug? and is there a solution/workaround? Jun 30 19:24:15 (talking bout free runner) Jun 30 19:24:25 cozub: software Jun 30 19:24:29 all sw bugs, except video playback, afaik Jun 30 19:24:36 ok :) Jun 30 19:24:48 well, video playback is still usable at 320x240 which is good enough for a screen this size Jun 30 19:24:54 LionKMP, though im also reading stuff and *insert another random lie here* Jun 30 19:25:05 :-D Jun 30 19:25:24 I want VICE for it. :) Jun 30 19:25:29 vice? Jun 30 19:25:37 LionKMP: yeah, would be cool :) Jun 30 19:25:40 C64 emulator, just no idea how it could be controlled. Jun 30 19:25:41 c64 foreva :) Jun 30 19:25:44 ah Jun 30 19:25:53 cozub: yep :D Jun 30 19:26:07 LionKMP: via a c64 joystick? :) just somebody would have to come up with a nice hw hack :) Jun 30 19:26:09 will need some patches for touchscreen joystick :) Jun 30 19:26:31 TAsn, i see it as a work in progress and if i have to get a little inconvenient for some time its ok because i am helping OpenMoko to break ground Jun 30 19:26:42 cozub: hehe lol, I imagine myself on the train travelling with a small phone connected to an old huge jostick Jun 30 19:26:47 btw has anyone developed anything using the motion detector yet? Jun 30 19:26:48 lion, three hurrays for bluetooth keypads Jun 30 19:26:52 LionKMP: lol :) Jun 30 19:27:15 LionKMP: all absorbed in the gameplay... with poor by-standers in shock :) Jun 30 19:27:17 mjr: oh, yes, thanks for reminding. :) Jun 30 19:27:33 cozub: LOL Jun 30 19:27:39 HauDyr, don't get me wrong, im a total openmoko fanboy, i idle here just to see the topic change, and i want that phone, though it is an hard choice to make. Jun 30 19:27:48 lol :) Jun 30 19:28:43 I have to say my fanboism was withering... but then I got a symbian phone @ work... and after exposure to that (all the signing crap, all the DRM et al.) made me look forward FR way more :) Jun 30 19:28:56 so I suggest: write an app for a symbian phone and U'll c :) Jun 30 19:28:59 TAsn, when you have a OpenMoko its good to have a backup phone, at least the first couple of years :-) Jun 30 19:29:00 heh Jun 30 19:29:26 years might be a bit much, I think there'll be an acceleration of development once the devices properly ship Jun 30 19:29:33 s/think/hope :) Jun 30 19:29:55 :) Jun 30 19:30:47 cozub, i know what you mean, while waiting for openmoko and thinking it will never go out i was tempted to buy an n95, and then i met drm. after i a while i was tempted to buy the iphone, and there i met the firmware, that's when i realized my soul needs a fr ;) Jun 30 19:30:51 yeaah I think many of us do :] Jun 30 19:31:04 HauDyr, you may be right. Jun 30 19:32:32 TAsn: Souls are not well supported. There have been occasional random damnations. A bug in the Id driver is probably the cause. Jun 30 19:32:46 SpeedEvil, :) Jun 30 19:32:49 hah Jun 30 19:35:11 ohin: hi :) Jun 30 19:36:54 cozub: so how's the order doing? :) Jun 30 19:58:31 i just thought about something, the moko can support a webcam, right? Jun 30 19:59:15 if so, making a mini usb webcam that mounts on that small hole on the bottom isn't supposed to be that hard or is it? Jun 30 19:59:30 It's not that simple. Jun 30 20:00:08 But GTA03 is scheduled for a camera Jun 30 20:01:52 SpeedEvil: How is it not that simple? USB cam + driver = camera on FR, no? Jun 30 20:04:17 Several issues. Jun 30 20:04:48 All the decent USB webcams require USB2 Jun 30 20:04:56 At least for higher res. Jun 30 20:05:07 And USB webcams are large and high power - relatively. Jun 30 20:05:27 The SoC in the freerunner has a built in camera interface. Butg it's not implemented. Jun 30 20:05:43 You can get 6*6*4mm cameras. Jun 30 20:05:59 "SoC"? what's that? Jun 30 20:06:01 And USB would need a USB hub or switch Jun 30 20:06:04 System On Chip Jun 30 20:06:06 the CPU Jun 30 20:06:16 eww, thanks. Jun 30 20:06:45 GTA03 has a camera reportedly. Jun 30 20:07:34 s/has/will have' Jun 30 20:08:46 Hello SpeedEvils. Jun 30 20:09:02 * SpeedEvil choruses 'Hello'. Jun 30 20:09:18 SpeedEvil: it's a phone not a camera, the camera is really secondary, so usb2's not *that* important. Save to the microsd and use a card reader if it's that big a deal Jun 30 20:09:56 The right solution - for GTA03 - is simply to connect the camera on the camera bus. Jun 30 20:10:19 doc|work: I don't see the relationship between usb2 and saving to the microsd.. Jun 30 20:10:40 Sure, sorry - I jumped into the middle of a conversation and thought it was about putting a webcam on your FR Jun 30 20:10:40 wurp2: there isn't one. it's an alternative Jun 30 20:10:58 More card slots please. Jun 30 20:11:04 Not the right way to integrate a cam into an Neo device if you're OM Jun 30 20:11:06 USB2 is as the high res cameras all require the imager to be read out in s small fraction of a second. They simply won't let you read them out at USB1.1 speeds, as they are too slow. Jun 30 20:11:08 oh wait, I thought this was a built in camera Jun 30 20:11:28 As it is too slow Jun 30 20:11:34 doc|work: But I don't see how it's an alternative... are you saying use a separate cam to save to a microsd? Jun 30 20:11:41 *sigh* Jun 30 20:12:00 I want two cameras, for 3D. Jun 30 20:12:22 wurp2: sorry, seems it's a standalone camera. I thought it was a built in one and SpeedEvil was talking about transferring images off the fr. My bad. Jun 30 20:12:53 Sorry - I came in part way though, I was assuming that the talk was of building in cams to FR Jun 30 20:12:56 NP, I was just trying to figure out what you were saying :-) Jun 30 20:13:18 wurp2: I'm don't know if anyone really knows what was going on :) Jun 30 20:13:26 Hey, I have an idea! Let's all start participating in a conversation, each actually talking about slightly different things! Jun 30 20:13:34 pffft Jun 30 20:13:37 been there, done that Jun 30 20:13:41 * doc|work needs a t-shirt Jun 30 20:13:55 anyway, cameras aren't necessary in phones :) Jun 30 20:14:16 while a console is :) Jun 30 20:14:43 nah, I have a camera if I want to take photos, a phone is a computer :) Jun 30 20:14:43 Yeah, but with a high speed internet connection, and lots of image processing power on the other end, you can do LOTS of cool stuff with a camera on a phone Jun 30 20:14:50 wurp2: aye Jun 30 20:15:24 wurp2, that's what i was thinking. Jun 30 20:15:41 well when is gta03 scheduled to go out at anyway? Jun 30 20:15:51 no schedule Jun 30 20:15:54 in a long, long time Jun 30 20:16:02 I think they learned their lesson about schedules Jun 30 20:16:12 You publish them after you have a market ready product ;-) Jun 30 20:16:31 mjr, more than an year? Jun 30 20:16:35 wurp2: they always said the schedules are not worth much. Jun 30 20:16:56 textshell: Sure, but that didn't stop people from complaining vociferously when they were not met Jun 30 20:16:57 And i think the neo hasn't been that bad on schedule. iirc. Jun 30 20:17:03 yeah, they never really had schedules Jun 30 20:17:05 FR? Jun 30 20:17:09 wurp2: yes, some people don't get it. Jun 30 20:17:22 textshell: I heard it would be out "soon" in August of last year Jun 30 20:17:44 wurp2: last year was most likely about the neo. Jun 30 20:17:49 I'm just glad i bought my 01 in December Jun 30 20:17:54 textshell: Nope Jun 30 20:18:03 textshell - it was supposed to be out in october Jun 30 20:18:06 textshell, it's like saying a will buy you a cake though i can't promise Jun 30 20:18:07 then december Jun 30 20:18:25 if you don't get a cake, you are sad because you thought you will have one Jun 30 20:18:25 ;) Jun 30 20:18:30 anyway, people complain way to much about that. Jun 30 20:18:35 agreed Jun 30 20:18:42 There's more important things... Jun 30 20:18:53 textshell, people complain way too much period. Jun 30 20:19:16 TAsn: sometimes i like to complain too ;) Jun 30 20:19:25 i remember i wanted to buy the gta01 when it will be ready Jun 30 20:19:27 if everybody waits for gta03 there will not be gta03 :-p Jun 30 20:19:33 :) Jun 30 20:19:45 LionKMP, you are very insightful today :) Jun 30 20:19:48 i agree. Jun 30 20:19:57 Sean wrote that on the mailing list :-) Jun 30 20:20:15 that's why im getting myself a fr asap (or at least i want to) Jun 30 20:20:25 what does gta stand for? Jun 30 20:20:30 great! ;) Jun 30 20:20:34 will it be possible to buy a 900 moko in the us?\ Jun 30 20:20:37 LionKMP: we can be sure that not everybody waits ;) Jun 30 20:21:08 textshell, prisoner dilemma at it's best :) Jun 30 20:21:29 multiplayer version Jun 30 20:21:49 Generic Telephone Appliance Jun 30 20:21:51 nobody say grand theft auto... ;) Jun 30 20:21:57 thx Jun 30 20:22:09 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA there are some doubts anyway :-p Jun 30 20:22:27 and neo is not about what we think, yes,. Jun 30 20:22:41 ? Jun 30 20:23:32 isn't it Mr Anderson Freerunner? Jun 30 20:23:48 i'm just trying to semi quote something from the very early presentations about neo/openmoko... Way to long ago. Jun 30 20:23:59 neo = new Jun 30 20:24:18 new 1973, the new mobile phone (1st mobile was in 1973) Jun 30 20:24:21 n.e.o = o.n.e :-) Jun 30 20:24:22 yep, that's ok. but any product could get the name Neo then :) Jun 30 20:24:33 HauDyr: wow! :D Jun 30 20:24:34 Of course, the old ones had a feature none of the new ones do Jun 30 20:24:46 another and now looks more likely possibility is that GTA03 is an updated version of GTA02 without the (compromised) Glamo chip Jun 30 20:24:49 You could crush a man's skull with one swift swing Jun 30 20:24:51 wurp2: like doubling as a hammer? Jun 30 20:24:52 so it will be out soon? Jun 30 20:25:03 what's the deal with the glamo chip? Jun 30 20:26:02 galmo seems to have a really bad memory bus. Jun 30 20:26:10 me too Jun 30 20:26:21 :-p Jun 30 20:27:33 so what then? I never watched a movie on my phone before, did you? Jun 30 20:28:06 (I am not saying it won't be possible, I don't know, I just say, I don't worry about it.) Jun 30 20:28:39 LionKMP: my DECT phones are not for watching movies, i'll use the PC next to it ;) Jun 30 20:28:56 LionKMP, but i heard watching a movie will work. Jun 30 20:29:18 you just need to transcode it to a certain format. Jun 30 20:29:54 that's nice Jun 30 20:30:15 LionKMP, watching a movie while in a trip is a big bonus. Jun 30 20:30:45 same goes for watching a youtube video on the phone Jun 30 20:30:50 I think OpenMoko is making a very bad marketing strategy by talking about next versions while just releasing the current one. Jun 30 20:30:56 does Intel do that? or Apple? Jun 30 20:31:07 LionKMP, i think you are right Jun 30 20:31:34 but i guess it's part of the openness Jun 30 20:31:34 :) Jun 30 20:31:41 hehe :-D Jun 30 20:31:46 Are they talking much about the next version now? Jun 30 20:31:52 LionKMP: it's a consequence of having all the discussions publicly Jun 30 20:32:00 wurp2, not sure, im not part of the mailing link Jun 30 20:32:01 I think the community is bringing it up Jun 30 20:32:01 they should emphasize more that it's way out there Jun 30 20:32:07 wurp2, yes, it is Jun 30 20:32:24 balrog-k1n: well, that's true. Jun 30 20:32:26 but gta04 is being referred in the wiki. Jun 30 20:32:36 they don't really advertise gta03 or gta04, but they are open about their plans and they are planning early which is good Jun 30 20:32:38 But anyone can edit the wiki... Jun 30 20:32:46 i'm sure intel and apple plan much into the future too Jun 30 20:32:53 LionKMP: i think it's cool that they tal. Jun 30 20:32:56 +k Jun 30 20:33:14 balrog-k1n, iphone 7g is coming out in 2064? Jun 30 20:33:20 LionKMP: Technology 101, there's always that really great new, better system just around the corner. Jun 30 20:33:35 I don't think the gta03 is much of a distraction for potential customers anyway... It's not like it's going to be a major enhancement. Jun 30 20:33:43 TAsn: this information is probably internal at the moment :) Jun 30 20:33:43 yes, but they are not pushing the customers to think into waiting for the next version. Jun 30 20:33:45 textshell, and that's exactly what's killing me :) Jun 30 20:34:08 And it's even a prerequisit to openness, if you code in the open people will see most of the things to come anyway. And if you don't you hurt your community. Jun 30 20:34:10 and the potential customer base right now isn't your usual ones anyway Jun 30 20:34:50 I am sure I can use GTA03 software on my GTA02, so that's enough for me. Jun 30 20:34:56 TAsn: learn to cope. There's no way around that. For high tech there's only living in the now. Jun 30 20:35:13 at least for buying decisions. Jun 30 20:35:34 LionKMP, as they said, the main diff will be the glamo chip. Jun 30 20:35:40 textshell, i know. Jun 30 20:36:32 Sorry for going back to my earlier Q, but will it be possible to buy an EU compatible moko in the us? Jun 30 20:37:24 order from EU distributor, why not? Jun 30 20:37:34 LionKMP, costs a lot more. Jun 30 20:37:36 will you be able to use it? Jun 30 20:37:53 i need the 900 brand Jun 30 20:38:16 and i think buying in the us (im not from the us, though i have relatives there) will be a lot cheaper. Jun 30 20:38:20 TAsn: i think the openmoko.com webshop is supposed to offer both. Jun 30 20:38:42 textshell, cool :) it's supposed to open this week, right? Jun 30 20:39:09 schedules ;). But yes, not to far future. Jun 30 20:39:16 :-) Jun 30 20:39:27 textshell, right... i forgot ;0 Jun 30 20:39:34 well i can wait a week. Jun 30 20:39:47 TAsn: I think not until next Monday Jun 30 20:40:08 There was some note about them taking this week as holiday Jun 30 20:41:22 well, that's fine with me, as i said, i can wait :) Jun 30 21:21:51 while using mokomakefile to make a openmoko-devel-image, what should I do for freerunner Jun 30 21:22:24 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#Building_Openmoko_with_MokoMakefile says make setup but in the makefile targets like set-meachine-gta0X exist Jun 30 21:31:00 kuzgun, make setup and then edit build/conf/local.conf from gta01 to gta02. Jun 30 21:31:10 The make openmoko-devel-image Jun 30 21:31:48 ok Jun 30 21:31:49 There's a few other tips (like making MokoMakefile multi-core aware and limiting locales that are built) on the wiki page for MokoMakefile. Jun 30 21:34:15 yes I saw, no problem for me ( at least now ) thanks kdean06 Jun 30 21:36:55 and what about OM_GIT_BRANCH := org.openmoko.dev Jun 30 21:36:56 to say Jun 30 21:36:56 OM_GIT_BRANCH := org.openmoko.asu.dev line Jun 30 21:37:07 the first one is 2007.2 ? Jun 30 21:37:51 Hey all, I just read about the Neo Freerunner.... very cool... definitely want one! Jun 30 21:38:00 I've been waiting for a FOSS phone! Jun 30 21:39:35 so you found it Hydrant :) Jun 30 21:39:55 I'm really excited... as in ready to order one today :-) Jun 30 21:40:08 thought I'd lurk here for a minute until I contain myself :-) Jun 30 21:40:29 Just 1 minute? Well thats acceptable ;) Jun 30 21:40:32 hey you, put your pants back on Jun 30 21:40:38 (I'm a hardcore FOSS person, so I haven't been able to own a cell phone since most of them run junk) Jun 30 21:40:38 :-) Jun 30 21:40:56 I think we all appreciate your thoughts. Jun 30 21:41:30 kuzgun, The asu.dev is only important if you're building the ASU, which I assumed you're not, since you said openmoko-devel-image. Jun 30 21:41:40 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rf1ade2344bd7 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Jun 30 21:41:40 freesmartphone.org: ophoned: fix misc. errors due to testing by someone else than the author ;) Thanks Charlie! Jun 30 21:41:40 freesmartphone.org: * add dbus error org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.InvalidIndex Jun 30 21:41:40 freesmartphone.org: * Invalid Parameters in StoreMessage now recognized Jun 30 21:41:42 freesmartphone.org: * teach parser to deal with '+EXT ERROR' specs Jun 30 21:41:44 freesmartphone.org: * fix bogus AT command and typo in SimGetPhonebookInfo Jun 30 21:41:47 * amarsh04 uses hand-me-down nokias from other family members - my 3810 died in 2007 Jun 30 21:42:41 yes kdean06 I have developing an application only ( depends on gtk+, libglade and etc ) so I'll use openmoko-devel-image Jun 30 21:42:44 My current phone is actually 4.5 years old, so it's about time for something new Jun 30 21:42:49 I know the dates aren't really up yet, but any idea when the online store will be available? I live in Canada... Jun 30 21:43:22 yesterday Jun 30 21:43:26 Hydrant: I think next Monday Jun 30 21:43:29 is the project making money off this as well I hope? I actually think I'll get two... one for my gf and one for me ;-) Jun 30 21:43:31 sweet! Jun 30 21:43:58 Although you could have had a Neo1973 last year :-) Jun 30 21:44:21 Hydrant: too super geeks in one family? Lucky one. Jun 30 21:44:26 this one is a lot nicer ;-) Jun 30 21:44:44 textshell: thx... I've converted her to FOSS Jun 30 21:45:10 Hydrant: Eh... ~2x cpu speed + wifi + accelerometers Jun 30 21:45:20 I got EEe PCs as soon as they came out... I try to support places trying to make money off selling Linux devices as much as possible Jun 30 21:45:23 honestly the accelerometers are the only thing I find really interesting Jun 30 21:45:40 for just converted the phone might not really be ready. The software is very basic and still feature as saving energy for more than 12 hours runtime are not yet finished... Jun 30 21:45:54 I was thinking of an iPhone, but this is definitely better... I just am checking to see what software is ported to it Jun 30 21:45:56 Hydrant: keep in mind this is still a developers release. Jun 30 21:46:09 textshell: of the software or the phone ? Jun 30 21:46:19 The software Jun 30 21:46:19 Software is still developer's release, hw should be solid Jun 30 21:46:37 Hydrant: the software, but i don't think anybody can be 100% sure of the hardware either. Jun 30 21:46:38 don't buy 2 expecting that it's ready for everyday use .... Jun 30 21:46:51 buy 3 expecting that, instead. Jun 30 21:46:53 Even the neo1973 hw is almost defect free... Jun 30 21:46:55 (I need one too - thanks) Jun 30 21:47:02 russellb: I use my neo1973 for everday use Jun 30 21:47:07 hrrm Jun 30 21:47:17 It just depends on your tolerance and how long you spend away from chargers ;-) Jun 30 21:47:26 heh Jun 30 21:47:41 I'm pretty tolerant Jun 30 21:47:52 when do you guys think that this will be commercial grade? Jun 30 21:47:53 I've been running Linux since 1999... you know, when USB made you cringe Jun 30 21:47:56 it may not even make calls Jun 30 21:48:01 hrrm Jun 30 21:48:03 USB still makes me cringe Jun 30 21:48:07 hehe Jun 30 21:48:08 same Jun 30 21:48:10 russellb: wussy Jun 30 21:48:12 kinda like the trolltech green phone ? Jun 30 21:48:13 I think if you just want the phone functionality, or if you're willing to do some hacking & get all the sw playing well together, you can use fso and get > 1 day between charges Jun 30 21:48:13 my router goes crazy Jun 30 21:48:15 Qwell: nub Jun 30 21:48:37 I don't mind charging all the tim Jun 30 21:48:39 Hydrant: Actually, trolltech dropped the greenphone and started using this. Jun 30 21:48:39 *time Jun 30 21:48:53 Qwell: with Qtopia or Milestone 1 I thought call was pretty much rock solid Jun 30 21:48:55 yah... well I meant greenphone in the sense of meant for experiment Jun 30 21:49:07 hasn't been too rock solid for me Jun 30 21:49:08 the freerunner does have astounding promise Jun 30 21:49:20 russellb: you actually have one? O.o Jun 30 21:49:24 no. Jun 30 21:49:25 russellb: Really? Which platform are you running? Jun 30 21:49:27 i mean, maybe. Jun 30 21:49:28 :-X Jun 30 21:49:33 ? Jun 30 21:49:35 the question is... will it make calls reliably? Jun 30 21:49:42 Qwell: on loan. Jun 30 21:49:42 past that I can play with the software as required Jun 30 21:49:47 russellb: gotcha Jun 30 21:49:52 Hydrant: With Qtopia or fso Milestone 1, it should Jun 30 21:49:57 i think that's main problem nobody really knows the status... because almost nobody has a freerunner ;) Jun 30 21:49:58 it has not been making calls reliably for me, but YMMV Jun 30 21:50:08 i've tried the devel, qtopia, and fso images ... Jun 30 21:50:10 russellb: Which sw have you been using? Jun 30 21:50:12 russellb: I accidentally called Doug one day Jun 30 21:50:16 but that's all software issue Jun 30 21:50:19 russellb: Milestone 1 fso, or a snapshot? Jun 30 21:50:20 right. Jun 30 21:50:25 wurp2: M1 Jun 30 21:50:28 mic and screen were dead.. I wtf'd Jun 30 21:50:31 russellb: :-( Jun 30 21:50:36 all I care is that it calls the right person, and if I dial 911 it goes through Jun 30 21:50:42 russellb: I heard from `pwgen` that Milestone 1 was solid Jun 30 21:50:43 wurp2: i have faith, though :) Jun 30 21:50:46 (the two main uses of a cell phone) Jun 30 21:50:55 Maybe he was using a gta01 Jun 30 21:50:56 wurp2: i broke it within a few minutes ... Jun 30 21:51:07 He was running it for days Jun 30 21:51:13 had the UI showing nothing and it kept calling my other phone over and over Jun 30 21:51:14 russellb: You're using FR? Jun 30 21:51:15 Calling 911 is a common event for ya? Jun 30 21:51:19 wurp2: yes Jun 30 21:51:41 kdean06: unfortunately it has been Jun 30 21:51:52 I have lived in cities, and stuff happens Jun 30 21:51:58 beeing able to call for help is important. Jun 30 21:51:58 Your house burn down frequently? Jun 30 21:52:10 someone mentioned fire? Jun 30 21:52:15 he he Jun 30 21:52:40 russellb: Qtopia fell down, too? That worries me... Jun 30 21:52:42 You can have "reliable calls" or "features other than calls" right now. :P Jun 30 21:52:45 a couple weeks ago someone hurt themselves pretty bad falling over a wire... and I had to find a payphone :-( Jun 30 21:52:56 Of course, it's very early for testing Qtopia (or fso) on FR Jun 30 21:53:07 the qtopia image was laggy as all hell Jun 30 21:53:16 wurp2, As far as I know, there have been no Qtopia images released for the Freerunner. Jun 30 21:53:20 russellb: Real Qtopia, or qtopia on OM? Jun 30 21:53:24 And Qtopia is VERY different than the ASU. Jun 30 21:53:25 qtopia on OM Jun 30 21:53:28 Ah, that would answer that Jun 30 21:53:41 russellb: Oh, that's not Qtopia, that's ASU and a very different animal Jun 30 21:53:44 my 3810 lasted just under 10 years Jun 30 21:53:44 so is freerunner more in a testing phase for hardware and software, or just software ? Jun 30 21:53:47 ah. Jun 30 21:53:54 Hydrant: Just sw Jun 30 21:54:11 Hydrant: Hardware should be very solid, except a known video issue with glamo Jun 30 21:54:18 anyway, i'll stop my bitching and get back to learning the platform so I can help, heh Jun 30 21:54:24 that should get stabilized within a few months I would imagine, depending upon the number of devs Jun 30 21:54:25 Even the video issue is not a showstopper, from what I hear Jun 30 21:54:31 glamo ? Jun 30 21:54:39 Hydrant: video chip Jun 30 21:54:40 Hydrant: The video acceleration chip Jun 30 21:54:47 btw. the microphone of my freerunner made some strange noises 2 hours ago. i only pluged the power supply in without a battery Jun 30 21:55:01 Hydrant: Which shares the memory bus as the video bus and microsd bus :-( Jun 30 21:55:19 playya: Hrm, that's a known issue on gta01, but shouldn't happen on FR Jun 30 21:55:28 really what I'm most interested in is using it with VoIP Jun 30 21:55:29 abraxa__: Around? Jun 30 21:55:47 Hydrant: only on wifi Jun 30 21:55:51 ... I'd like to setup something so that if I'm on wireless I can make sip calls or recieve calls from my trixbox Jun 30 21:55:56 Hydrant: data is too sow Jun 30 21:56:00 * Qwell dies a little inside Jun 30 21:56:03 Hydrant: That should work fine Jun 30 21:56:04 * russellb cries Jun 30 21:56:06 Hydrant: You disappoint me Jun 30 21:56:08 trixbox Qwell: why's that ? Jun 30 21:56:20 they eat babies Jun 30 21:56:27 trixboxisn't exactly "open source" Jun 30 21:56:38 Qwell: how so ? Jun 30 21:56:48 Hydrant: in that it's not open source. :) Jun 30 21:56:50 the components are open source AFAIK Jun 30 21:56:53 really ? Jun 30 21:56:59 some of it is not Jun 30 21:57:03 CM: A little bit longer, yeah. What's up? Jun 30 21:57:07 the people behind it have never contributed a single thing back to any of the projects Jun 30 21:57:13 and anything that can be closed source, is Jun 30 21:57:14 hrrm... Jun 30 21:57:22 abraxa__: Ah, great Jun 30 21:57:29 (Qwell and I are 2 of the main developers of asterisk, btw) Jun 30 21:57:31 Just wondered about the debugboard.. Jun 30 21:57:58 abraxa__: Ghiottone might need it Jun 30 21:58:01 basically, avoid it at all costs Jun 30 21:58:06 * CM pokes Ghiottone Jun 30 21:58:07 kdean06: Did you notice russellb's experience with fso Milestone 1? Jun 30 21:58:13 hi all! Jun 30 21:58:23 wurp2, but cpuinfo tells me it is a GTA02. so alphaone did not send me the wrong device Jun 30 21:58:28 I know my experience wiht it. :P Jun 30 21:58:48 CM: The board? Jun 30 21:58:55 Oh, I wasn't suspecting you had the wrong device... it just sounds as if it's not as solid as they thought Jun 30 21:58:57 just received it on thursday Jun 30 21:59:00 abraxa__: Yeah, I still have your debugboard here Jun 30 21:59:10 playya: You should def report a bug, and maybe email the community list, too Jun 30 21:59:21 Ghiottone: Your neo is bricked? Jun 30 21:59:24 abraxa__: Was thiking about sending it to him Jun 30 21:59:28 kdean06: So MS 1 was solid on your neo? Jun 30 21:59:30 He might brick it soon ;) Jun 30 21:59:36 devel or community list? Jun 30 21:59:40 abraxa__, no but I'd like to do some low level development Jun 30 21:59:43 Freerunner or 1973 Jun 30 21:59:45 ? Jun 30 21:59:48 CM: I don't mind, as long as I get it back when I need it, hehe Jun 30 21:59:49 freerunner Jun 30 21:59:52 kdean06: FR Jun 30 21:59:54 Sorry Jun 30 21:59:56 wurp2, It makes calls. Jun 30 21:59:59 In and out. Jun 30 22:00:06 kdean06: Did you use it for > 1 day? Jun 30 22:00:08 abraxa__, that would be no problem! Jun 30 22:00:09 Wife commented that the echo was lessened quite a bit too. Jun 30 22:00:09 Ghiottone: Ahh, okay. Like I said, as long as I get it back when I need it, you can have it Jun 30 22:00:25 abraxa__, just ask and you'll have it mailed! Jun 30 22:00:28 abraxa__: Ok, nice Jun 30 22:00:32 Alrighty :) Jun 30 22:00:36 kdean06: Echo goes way down for me if I just turn down the volume in the gtk dialer :-) Jun 30 22:00:37 abraxa__, CM, thanks a lot! Jun 30 22:00:37 Thanks, CM Jun 30 22:00:43 Ghiottone: His address is on the box Jun 30 22:00:47 No, I haven't used anything on the freerunner for more than testing because only Qtopia on the 1973 so far, has all the features I've come to use daily. Jun 30 22:00:54 abraxa__: Thank you for helping me out earlier :) Jun 30 22:00:56 CM, great Jun 30 22:01:00 CM: You're most welcome Jun 30 22:01:10 Ghiottone: Mail me your address and I'll try to send it to you asap :) Jun 30 22:01:21 CM sure thanks!! Jun 30 22:01:22 Now time to get some sleep.. ;) Jun 30 22:01:32 nite CM! Jun 30 22:01:35 `pwgen`: Did you run Milestone 1 on your FR? Or was it a gta01? Jun 30 22:03:09 Every feature on the FSO images works well. Jun 30 22:03:20 The list of features is limited to incoming and outgoing calls. Jun 30 22:03:31 The more feaures it has, the less it works. :P Jun 30 22:03:52 abraxa__, do you know of any technical docs other than the S3C2410 user manual that could be useful for low level (operating system) programming on the Neo? Jun 30 22:04:01 If it's any indication, because of the software fragmentation since the launch of the ASU, I use Qtopia on my 1973 as my daily phone. Jun 30 22:04:04 alright, thanks everyone... will get a freerunner as soon as it's out and come lurk here to let you know how it goes Jun 30 22:04:05 kdean06: I think it can suspend & resume, too Jun 30 22:04:13 wurp2, That's a given. Jun 30 22:04:32 kdean06: I didn't think so... 2007.2 couldn't (most of the time) Jun 30 22:04:42 Suspend and resume works everywhere on Freerunner, unless you're specifically mentiuoning resume on incoming call. Jun 30 22:04:56 kdean06: Oh, it resumes on incoming call, too, so I've been told Jun 30 22:05:13 wurp2, Freerunner resumes just fine using 2007.02, at least in my tests. Jun 30 22:05:20 . `pwgen` said it only failed to resume on call cleanly once over multiple days & multiple trials Jun 30 22:05:36 kdean06: wow, didn't know that Jun 30 22:05:57 Other than video, just about any kernel/hardware complaint I've ever heard about 1973 doesn't exist on Freerunner. Jun 30 22:06:18 Even has added flair. :) Jun 30 22:06:24 Specifically, the "fade in". Jun 30 22:06:50 The problem is that there are no functional userspace apps in a decent combination. Jun 30 22:06:58 The FSO guys will fix that. :) Jun 30 22:07:04 :-) Jun 30 22:07:12 Well, they will enable the fix Jun 30 22:07:17 Yeah. Jun 30 22:07:22 It looks like they are expecting someone else to step up & integrate Jun 30 22:07:30 I'm sure there will be good, framework based non-FSO apps. :P Jun 30 22:07:40 But that framework needs to exist. Jun 30 22:07:45 Which is cool; they seem to be doing a great job on infrastructure, so I'd rather they stay focused that way Jun 30 22:07:49 Ghiottone: I looked earlier but unfortunately I can only find the user manual that we already have :( Jun 30 22:07:52 I thought ASU would be built around it, so had high hopes. Jun 30 22:08:21 But since it's been clarified, my money is on the fso images. :) Jun 30 22:08:33 Which aren't building for me. :P Jun 30 22:08:49 Nuthin has ever built for me :-( Jun 30 22:09:04 It's a good thing I like python Jun 30 22:09:38 Anyway... I'm going on a trip this week, I need to pack tonight, so... peace! Jun 30 22:09:42 i don't think the FSP images will go anywhere, but the other images will integrate the framework stuff i hope. Jun 30 22:10:15 but maybe i'm wrong and the FSO images integrate the others... But really it's a moot point which image gets there.... Jun 30 22:10:39 abraxa__, ah, pity. same results here. I guess I'd have to use the usual amount of reverse engineering.. thanks anyway Jun 30 22:10:43 textshell: Mickey's recent blog post looked like he was fishing for someone to build an image based on 2007.2, rebasing the guis on FSO Jun 30 22:11:10 Or perhaps someone to build an ASU based image that includes the gtk apps, rebased on fso Jun 30 22:11:28 rebasing guis on the framework yes. But the FSO image doesn't need to be the base, does it? Jun 30 22:14:39 textshell: Nah, I meant building a new image, that includes fso & asu, plus a branch of the gtk phone guis that uses the fso dbus as a back end Jun 30 22:15:14 But honestly, I would probably start with the fso image as the baseline & pile the other stuff on Jun 30 22:15:39 But I don't think he wants to pollute the standard fso image with a bunch of other stuff Jun 30 22:34:08 so do the ASU and FSO have both phone and text messageing support or just one or the other? Jun 30 22:36:39 <`pwgen`> hmm i think the fso image is more "middleware" centric not gui. Jun 30 22:37:54 ok that would make sense why there reffering to it as the framework then. I gotta figure out what all the acronyms mean so i can figure out what i'll need to write my own apps Jun 30 22:37:56 That would be fair. In fact, the "zhone" part of it, the dialer and UI that exist in the image, is characterized as a "demo" by Mickey Jun 30 22:38:00 SirBob1701: fso only has phone right now Jun 30 22:38:12 At least, only has UI for phone Jun 30 22:39:18 cause of work i haven't been able to follow whats happening more closely so i'm a bit confused about what is what. I'll have to try and read over the wiki this week Jun 30 22:39:32 SirBob1701: Best would be to build an image that includes ASU gui toolkits & some asu apps, fso for phone access (no phonekit) and mod the GTK phone & SMS apps to use the FSO dbus interface Jun 30 22:39:56 SirBob1701: It's all hairy right now :-( Jun 30 22:40:38 haha wow. Ya but i can do that. Just don't know where to get the FSO i have the ASU bookmarked Jun 30 22:41:05 ASU is a release with multiple UI toolkits, and a shaky port of Qtopia to run on X, and numerous apps, some of which don't really work (including phone) Jun 30 22:41:46 FSO is the new OM framework, with an image with a demo phone app. It seems quite solid, and allows muxing gprs (internet) & phone Jun 30 22:42:37 GTK aka 2007.2 is the old OM image, that had pretty stable calling & a nice suite of apps, but was gtk only, and had no muxing. Stability also varied from release to release. Jun 30 22:43:10 s/gtk only/gtk+ ui toolkit only/ Jun 30 22:43:11 wurp2 meant: GTK aka 2007.2 is the old OM image, that had pretty stable calling & a nice suite of apps, but was gtk+ ui toolkit only, and had no muxing. Stability also varied from release to release. Jun 30 22:43:15 wurp2, you were asking about fso UI docs -- the code in /usr/bin/zhone (which originated from pyphone, i think) is only about 900 lines long. Also to suspend/unsuspend, I hold down the power button (on my GTA01). works well for me Jun 30 22:43:41 <`pwgen`> write a little glue that simulates gsmd behavior with fso-dbus backend and you might be able to use the 2007.2 Jun 30 22:44:03 hmm Jun 30 22:44:14 are links to the fso repo on the wiki? Jun 30 22:44:46 erko: Weird, I tried holding down the power button Jun 30 22:44:53 Maybe I didn't do it long enough Jun 30 22:45:01 <`pwgen`> the zhone gui is nearly the smallest part , the most work is done in the phone/event/device/.... deamon part Jun 30 22:45:23 SirBob1701: Looking... Jun 30 22:45:26 wurp2, sometimes the first time I try to suspend, it takes me another try Jun 30 22:45:31 erko: Thanks much for the info Jun 30 22:45:34 sure Jun 30 22:46:01 `pwgen`: Hmm, that's an interesting thought... Jun 30 22:46:23 can the ASU and FSU be combined for a qume build until I get the GTA02? Jun 30 22:46:23 `pwgen`: Then you could just leave out phonekit, include your phonekit-fso-adapter, and be off & running Jun 30 22:46:51 SirBob1701: They could be, and once you get qemu running it shouldn't be any harder than using it on your phone Jun 30 22:47:02 SirBob1701: Except you couldn't test calling or gps functionality :-( Jun 30 22:47:25 SirBob1701: fso milestone1 was a little slow in answering calls for me. A snapshot from here worked better (but no guarantees): jluebbe's fso images: http://134.169.172.106/~jluebbe/images/neo1973/ Jun 30 22:47:32 `pwgen`: I might just do that. Jun 30 22:47:46 erko: ok thanks Jun 30 22:47:56 no problem Jun 30 22:48:24 i saw that FSO has a milestone 3 in 1 month that asks for SMS capabilities though :D Jun 30 22:48:31 <`pwgen`> erko: recompile the kernel without debug info . will speed up the resume Jun 30 22:48:47 ah, thanks Jun 30 22:48:53 SirBob1701: Yeah, but I want media player, and terminal, and navit :-) Jun 30 22:49:08 ya me too lol Jun 30 22:49:11 SirBob1701: the fso image is never intended to be an end user image, afaik Jun 30 22:49:25 It's just demo apps to show off the fso infrastructure Jun 30 22:49:27 i know but the GTK+ crap looks slow as piss Jun 30 22:49:56 SirBob1701: Your qemu may just be slow Jun 30 22:50:06 SirBob1701: qemu was totally unusably slow on my last machine Jun 30 22:50:15 Like, multiple minutes to do anything, literally. Jun 30 22:50:19 SirBob1701: that's fine, my piss is *fast*! Jun 30 22:50:32 And I don't mean literally figuratively like so many people seem to, I mean literally Jun 30 22:51:03 haha Jun 30 22:51:06 Whereas on the gta01 gtk is fairly snappy, depending on the release Jun 30 22:51:43 Sorry, that's a pet peeve of mine, when people use literally to emphasize something, but actually mean the opposite of literally Jun 30 22:52:03 eh Jun 30 22:52:04 wurp2: I literally never do that. literally. Jun 30 22:52:05 *heh Jun 30 22:52:33 Qwell: I'm literally glad to hear it ;-) Jun 30 22:53:01 'cause you don't want to piss me off Jun 30 22:53:03 I'll... Jun 30 22:53:16 well, I guess you probably have no reason to avoid pissing me off Jun 30 22:54:08 brb gotta get a soder Jun 30 22:54:31 * SpeedEvil drops a dictionary on SirBob1701. Jun 30 22:54:57 SpeedEvil, what you call it "pop"? Jun 30 22:55:10 SirBob1701: FSO repositories: http://git.freesmartphone.org/ Jun 30 22:55:36 I'm not sure if that helps you much with building an image based on fso Jun 30 22:56:08 wurp2: ok i'll take a look. couldn't find the ASU on my hd so i'm getting it now Jun 30 22:58:15 g'night all Jun 30 23:10:10 anyone got a video of the software that runs on the neo freerunner (the software that is being shipped with it) Jun 30 23:14:05 hi, i was told that the qtopia phone edition was still being hosted of one of the openmoko mirrors but i could not find it, i was wondering if anyone here had the link? Jun 30 23:14:45 i was thinking of trying to get qtopia working on the freerunner, but then found phone edition was not online anymore :( Jun 30 23:15:11 glitch: last I heard they couldn't do that Jun 30 23:15:53 some one said that the buildhost showed the location Jun 30 23:16:11 maybe they got rid of it Jun 30 23:19:03 is it hosted anywhere else? surely someone online must have it (though much searching came up with nothing) Jun 30 23:25:28 good morning: i have an efl question: how do I convert a Imlib2 image to an evas_object_image without going trough a file ? Jun 30 23:25:30 In principle, the owners of the infringing code could have done the DCMA thing. Jun 30 23:25:55 <`pwgen`> g'night all Jun 30 23:34:34 good night Jun 30 23:38:06 h3Dhhh/wg aquarius Jun 30 23:39:45 shoragan: gprs working on kais Jun 30 23:46:47 (doh, sorry) Jul 01 00:37:29 the GPS application can it have an offline map from a specific country? (aka that you can use the application without internet acces) Jul 01 00:39:36 There isn't an official one. Jul 01 00:39:45 The most polished one that exists is tangogps Jul 01 00:40:01 This is simply a 'moving map' application. Jul 01 00:40:14 The problem isn't really the application, it's the data. Jul 01 00:40:35 Getting the rights to use existing maps is _expensive_. Jul 01 00:40:39 can you have the map data for let's say one country on the freerunners SD card? so you don't need internet Jul 01 00:40:58 the data from openstreetmap.org Jul 01 00:41:04 Not really in much detail. Jul 01 00:41:28 A gigabyte for normal sized countries isn't really very high res Jul 01 00:42:21 Say a thousandKm * a thousand Km. Jul 01 00:42:41 You get the highest zoom tile being about a pixel every 200m or so. Jul 01 00:43:18 well my country isn't that big Jul 01 00:43:21 There is no application yet to show just the streets of where you're at yet? Jul 01 00:43:24 (Holland/Netherlands) Jul 01 00:43:49 Sonicadvance1: yes - tangogps works well for that - online. Jul 01 00:44:10 What Language is tangogps written in? Jul 01 00:44:43 pjz: In that case it may just work for you. .nl is both tiny, and has had a dump of a nice database into OSM. Jul 01 00:46:09 SpeedEvil: you would get much more than that. 1000kmx1000km @ 1pixel per 200m is 5000x5000 pixels... Jul 01 00:46:22 you dont account for compression Jul 01 00:46:36 but even without any - its a map so 8bpp is all you need Jul 01 00:46:39 SpeedEvil, thanks for the answers :) Jul 01 00:46:43 (16/24bpp is overkill) Jul 01 00:46:59 so thats about 24mb there Jul 01 00:47:08 of course not including overview tiles Jul 01 00:47:21 so add 33% for all the zoom out tiles Jul 01 00:47:35 and thats without compression Jul 01 00:47:42 halve it at least for compression Jul 01 00:48:06 so... 16mb for 1000kmx1000km@1pixel every 200m Jul 01 00:48:23 (give or take) Jul 01 00:49:39 admittedly 1000km square isnt much Jul 01 00:49:53 and 200m/pixel is not so great detail Jul 01 00:53:35 raster: how is the glamo driver situation? Jul 01 00:53:46 what do you want to know? Jul 01 01:01:09 raster: moo Jul 01 01:02:11 jOERG_rw: boo Jul 01 01:03:03 raster: you had several problems with the performance thing Jul 01 01:03:41 dcordes_: not very detailed there. :) Jul 01 01:03:49 at leanvm Jul 01 01:03:51 nvm Jul 01 01:04:13 one major problem is bus bandwidth to video ram Jul 01 01:04:19 and no driver will fix that Jul 01 01:04:50 others are that not everything is accelerated that can be, but you're in the land of diminishing returns already with respect to driver accel Jul 01 01:05:02 The simple solution is to present the UI as a mpeg-4 stream. Jul 01 01:05:08 And away goes the bus problem. Jul 01 01:05:57 instead you need to encode something as mpeg4 Jul 01 01:06:16 guess which is worse? Jul 01 01:06:40 Meh. You're so negative. Jul 01 01:06:42 :) Jul 01 01:06:56 :-P Jul 01 01:07:22 * SpeedEvil wishes hardware decisions were easy to reverse. Jul 01 01:07:37 <_charly_> hmm... realtime video user interface... sounds nice :) Jul 01 01:07:43 <_charly_> hi :) Jul 01 02:08:29 does text messaging work in the asu? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 01 02:59:56 2008