**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 12 02:59:56 2008 Jul 12 03:00:38 i say the same for the shared SDIO SDCARD/glamo vid chip :P Jul 12 03:03:06 Agrajag: it seems like it is a low percentage of the freerunners affected, but I still agree with you Jul 12 03:04:20 Agrajag-: It's not completely broken, but only individual device has poor soldering on this difficult component. GPS is at incredibly low level, so our tests just were not nitpicking enough here. Hard to create a artificial signal as low as real GPS Jul 12 03:07:14 Agrajag-: you know, we actually *test* EACH device at fab, just the signal level was adjusted too high, so those devices went undetected Jul 12 03:08:32 * salutes JOERG Jul 12 03:08:49 'rning Jul 12 03:12:25 Eh, excuses are like assholes. :-) Jul 12 03:13:51 nah, I excuse for nothing, just explain. but you may ask for something i actually *had* to exuse afterwards ;-) Jul 12 03:14:25 rivalarrival: massive and generally stink a little? Jul 12 03:14:40 I'm just screwing with you. Jul 12 03:14:53 jOERG_rw: on the topic of GPS, do you happen to know if the issue with the antenna switch was resolved? http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-April/000055.html Jul 12 03:14:54 I prefer "good enough now" rather than "perfect, later" Jul 12 03:15:11 jOERG_rw: pm? Jul 12 03:15:51 mmontour: it didn't show real bad effects, though it's not quite straight in design Jul 12 03:16:15 doc|home: ?? have a day off today, no pm Jul 12 03:16:30 thanks. Jul 12 03:16:31 jOERG_rw: hehe, ok, some other time then :) Jul 12 03:16:48 jOERG_rw: was just a potential device idea I wanted to bounce off you Jul 12 03:17:09 toss over, I'll look at it tomorrow Jul 12 03:17:15 ok Jul 12 03:17:38 where can I find videos of ASU on freerunner? Jul 12 03:17:49 youtube??? Jul 12 03:20:24 jOERG_rw: done, was only a quick one anyway Jul 12 03:25:05 I liked the gtk interface better Jul 12 03:26:12 i was skeptical, but they massaged it into something that was really nice looking just in time to drop it lol Jul 12 03:28:27 i like how the qtopia image can pair with my bluetooth headset, but then seemingly can't use it for anything Jul 12 03:28:52 damn old qtopia Jul 12 03:29:01 fso I say! Jul 12 03:29:18 i am downloading it now to load it and try Jul 12 03:29:25 dcordes: nah, that's the BT drver i uess Jul 12 03:29:31 I doubt it has bt drivers Jul 12 03:29:50 doubt that fso has bt drivers? Jul 12 03:29:55 :-D sure we need a BT driver to do BT Jul 12 03:29:57 no gui stuff Jul 12 03:30:04 I mean Jul 12 03:30:15 fso is very thin Jul 12 03:30:22 eh, will look at it Jul 12 03:30:23 I say it's not FSO or sth Jul 12 03:30:31 it's just the driver Jul 12 03:30:37 NFC Jul 12 03:31:05 have none of the fic devices Jul 12 03:31:22 nevermind, have no reall idea about it Jul 12 03:31:32 lol asu youtube videos point to a german reseller Jul 12 03:31:37 * jOERG_rw off now. N8! Jul 12 03:31:49 good neight Jul 12 03:32:13 so is FSO going to be image that will be used in the long term? Jul 12 03:33:19 night Jul 12 03:34:17 whoknows Jul 12 03:34:38 lol Jul 12 03:34:51 sort of. from what i've heard, long term goal is fso for the base with asu stuff for the ui. Jul 12 03:35:09 fso is just low level framework stuff, but not UI (for long term OM stuff at least) Jul 12 03:36:00 I personally find the GTK stack to be the most usable as a day-to-day system, but it's still quite lacking Jul 12 03:36:11 * nullpuppy nods Jul 12 03:36:32 the qtopia image was pretty decent for telephony/sms Jul 12 03:36:37 asu was bleh Jul 12 03:38:35 nullpuppy: thanks Jul 12 03:38:52 i think it's funny that every image i've tried has all sorts of errors in the boot screen Jul 12 03:38:55 Arg0naut: no prob Jul 12 03:39:41 sooo much email on the ml's .... Jul 12 03:40:11 its been shipppppppppppped!!!! Jul 12 03:40:18 wooo! Jul 12 03:40:22 thats rigth you heard me!!! Jul 12 03:40:25 congrats! Jul 12 03:40:26 right Jul 12 03:40:34 look at me ye mortals and despari Jul 12 03:40:38 despair Jul 12 03:40:47 at my poor spelling apparently Jul 12 03:40:49 :) Jul 12 03:40:50 too excited to type, eh? Jul 12 03:40:54 heheheh Jul 12 03:41:00 get to hacking Jul 12 03:41:15 linuxxr: I've been qemuing all this time Jul 12 03:41:22 linuxxr: and compling the trees and all Jul 12 03:41:26 oh yeah!!!! Jul 12 03:41:38 i'm still learning the interface before i can really start hacking Jul 12 03:41:41 second generation iPhone my a** Jul 12 03:41:53 http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/5-reasons-to-avoid-iphone-3g Jul 12 03:42:04 and wondering whz the fso image i just flashed is sitting at an openmoko "please wait" screen for 2 min and counting Jul 12 03:43:03 ieatlint_: --> Jul 12 03:43:05 1. Grab a uImage and a .jffs2 for your device from http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone1/. Jul 12 03:43:05 2. Flash it to your Neo1973 (om-gta01) or NeoFreerunner (om-gta02) with dfu-util. Jul 12 03:43:05 3. Boot and wait until the 'Openmoko - Please wait...' appears. Jul 12 03:43:05 4. Note: If the application does not start after 2 minutes, please reboot once. This can happen the first time you boot the framework image. It's a bug that crept in this milestone (sorry!). Jul 12 03:43:12 http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone1/ Jul 12 03:43:19 see point 4 Jul 12 03:43:44 ah, thanks Jul 12 03:44:48 someone who likes to write docs should make wiki pages for all this Jul 12 03:45:01 its on the download page of the fso image :) Jul 12 03:45:31 hehe Jul 12 03:45:42 :-P Jul 12 03:45:43 but seeing as you flash them all the same way... Jul 12 03:45:48 i didn't look :P Jul 12 03:45:57 its all good Jul 12 03:48:10 i like the lack of bars to indicate signal strength and battery... Jul 12 03:48:36 yeah, there's not even a way to turn FSO off... Jul 12 03:48:42 I ditched it almost right away Jul 12 03:49:06 or rather, if there is a way, it's certainly not obvieus :P Jul 12 03:49:09 "init 0" Jul 12 03:49:18 s/obvieus/obvious/ Jul 12 03:49:18 nuclear_eclipse meant: or rather, if there is a way, it's certainly not obvious :P Jul 12 03:49:36 apparently all it can do is make calls Jul 12 03:49:36 nuclear_eclipse: its milestone 1...its like pre-pre-pre-pre-alpha Jul 12 03:49:57 it has the greatest potential I think though Jul 12 03:50:17 true, but I would have thought "shutdown" would be one of the biggest/easiest/lowest hanging pieces to implement.... Jul 12 03:50:32 all i see is a clock, battery/signal metres and a telephone icon with keypad Jul 12 03:50:39 am i missing anything? Jul 12 03:50:52 I mean, it should literally be a button that does `exec("shutdown -h now")` :P Jul 12 03:51:06 ieatlint_: nope, that's it Jul 12 03:52:11 yeah, well, it does have the smoothest UI... just needs work Jul 12 03:53:02 So, anyone using an IM protocol on the Freerunner yet? :3 Jul 12 03:53:23 night all Jul 12 03:53:32 Nighty Jul 12 03:54:12 Jacen: which one? Jul 12 03:54:51 Err, any. AIM/MSN would probably be prefered. Jul 12 03:55:35 i wonder if pidgin's libpurple can be adapted Jul 12 03:55:43 then again, pidgin is a resource hog Jul 12 03:56:11 I'd be interested if anyone could get finch up on the neo Jul 12 03:56:14 Even a text-based messenger would be great, if it al fit correctly. Jul 12 03:56:22 *all Jul 12 03:56:25 On the screen I mean. Jul 12 03:56:27 Jacen: I am pretty sure openembedded has pidgin Jul 12 03:56:30 pidgin is a resource hog? Jul 12 03:56:44 Jacen: I do nto knwo if will look good on X Jul 12 03:56:49 Pidgen can be a real resource hog. Jul 12 03:56:59 pidging also has a text client call finch I believe Jul 12 03:57:05 openembedded? Jul 12 03:57:05 you can run in the OM terminal Jul 12 03:57:15 Ah, anyone tried it out? Jul 12 03:57:15 well, pidgin and finch work on a library called libpurple Jul 12 03:57:16 rivalarrival: the plugins tend to be resource hogs Jul 12 03:57:29 so you can take the libpurple library, and make a lightweight gtk ui in theory Jul 12 03:57:30 Jacen: no idea Jul 12 03:58:23 plus, the sms shortcodes could be interesting Jul 12 03:58:24 Jacen: OM os is based on openembedded Jul 12 03:58:32 maintaining a gprs connection is a battery issue Jul 12 03:58:37 Ah, that makes sense. Jul 12 03:58:40 but aim at least has an sms gateway Jul 12 03:58:52 if you could write a client based around sending sms instead of using data... Jul 12 03:59:55 so anyone have any videos up showing off the freerunner yet? Jul 12 04:00:52 Oo, that'd be fun. Jul 12 04:01:01 By the way; how IS the batter life for the Freerunner? Jul 12 04:01:26 *battery Jul 12 04:02:17 slackware has finch Jul 12 04:03:37 linuxxr: ok? Jul 12 04:04:02 kd8ikt: " This doesn't work on official OM 2007.2 repositories. However, if you use a ScaredyCat release (http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/) it should work fine." I don't know how to change to ScaredyCat release, and now my opkg/om-gta02-feed.conf is src/gz daily-om-gta02 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gt Jul 12 04:04:33 kd8ikt: and what I need to change this repositories Jul 12 04:04:52 scaredycat seems to only be for gta01 right now, so that's a no-go on the freerunner Jul 12 04:07:26 but no libpurple Jul 12 04:08:06 nuclear_eclipse: thank your reply, I'm just openmoko newbie, I just would how to switch keyboards in fr Jul 12 04:08:37 linuxxr: libpurple is part of pidgin, so installing a pidgin package will do it Jul 12 04:09:23 linuxxr: I thought finch was a CLI app that was built on top of libpurple as a proof-of-concept type deal? Jul 12 04:11:59 SUNNYVALE, Jul 12 04:12:00 CA, US 07/11/2008 7:11 P.M. ORIGIN SCAN Jul 12 04:12:21 well in slackware i guess not Jul 12 04:12:36 although i have pidgin Jul 12 04:13:28 also i would not know u guys are the sys operators Jul 12 04:13:39 im just a linux noob Jul 12 04:15:59 finch is only partially a proof of concept Jul 12 04:16:07 finch is intended to be a real function client Jul 12 04:16:17 ieatlint_: well, yes Jul 12 04:16:22 it was more of an issue to prove the portability of libpurple Jul 12 04:16:31 that's what I was getting at :P Jul 12 04:16:35 ah, ok Jul 12 04:17:28 libpurple would be a pretty sensible place to start if one were to make an IM client though Jul 12 04:18:11 /usr/include/libpurple Jul 12 04:25:57 dang ChandleWEi... just now got back to my comment? Jul 12 04:26:02 that was like an hour ago Jul 12 04:26:54 to change repositories, change /etc/opkg.conf ? can anyone confirm that for chewbacca Jul 12 04:27:02 kd8ikt: sorry I'm go out to eat breakfast Jul 12 04:27:17 dang where do you live Jul 12 04:27:28 Sat Jul 12 00:35:46 EDT 2008 Jul 12 04:27:30 here Jul 12 04:27:46 kd8ikt: Sat Jul 12 12:27:38 CST 2008 Jul 12 04:27:49 heer Jul 12 04:27:51 aight catch ya later Jul 12 04:28:04 bheer Jul 12 04:28:17 then breakfast Jul 12 04:28:26 heh thats what i stepped out for, pluss i ragchewed a bit on my ham radio Jul 12 04:29:25 lol chewbacca cmon dont tell me i'm the only one who laughed at that Jul 12 04:36:40 woo. Jul 12 04:37:24 someone do me a favor and message me with my name in the line Jul 12 04:37:31 need to check a plugin Jul 12 04:37:32 make some corrections and additions to getting started page ;-) Jul 12 04:37:38 did opkg upgrade - takes some time. Jul 12 04:38:13 anyone? Jul 12 04:38:58 * Chocky slaps goodwill around Jul 12 04:39:03 hmmm Jul 12 04:39:06 does nto work Jul 12 04:39:11 let me restart the chant client Jul 12 04:39:35 Chocky: sooo hows teh fone Jul 12 04:39:47 hm, I think it upgrades dropbear then dumps you out and the upgrade status is lost Jul 12 04:39:51 you've been awol for hours Jul 12 04:39:52 still poking at it Jul 12 04:40:01 * Chocky went home, had dinner, put kid to bed Jul 12 04:40:11 Chocky: again please? Jul 12 04:40:13 ah a picket fence owner Jul 12 04:40:24 * Chocky beats goodwill silly Jul 12 04:40:30 alas no, a condo renter Jul 12 04:40:30 grrr Jul 12 04:40:40 using irc on your phone? Jul 12 04:40:45 no Jul 12 04:40:46 hardly Jul 12 04:40:49 heh Jul 12 04:40:49 Chocky: one more time Jul 12 04:41:02 * Chocky stabs goodwill in the eye Jul 12 04:41:13 goodwill: hello Jul 12 04:41:16 goodwill blows goats. I have proof. Jul 12 04:41:21 does not work Jul 12 04:41:25 * goodwill grumbles Jul 12 04:41:27 def need an irc client or... nevermind its got ssh i can ssh into my server and user irssi, Jul 12 04:41:37 noneed for bloat Jul 12 04:41:39 kd8ikt: my thoughts exactly :) Jul 12 04:41:39 thank you guyes Jul 12 04:42:49 kd8ikt: I've aliased irc='ssh -t dyson screen -Rd irssi irssi' so that I can log in from any PC to a single persistent session, and it works beautifully Jul 12 04:42:59 geek. Jul 12 04:43:04 :) Jul 12 04:43:25 I regularly work from multiple unix machines, so it's a must :P Jul 12 04:43:32 ok I think it works Jul 12 04:52:15 stupid dropbear Jul 12 04:52:21 opkg so lame Jul 12 04:52:43 Chocky: why? Jul 12 04:53:09 try 'opkg install dropdear' over ssh Jul 12 04:53:17 dropbear Jul 12 04:53:26 if this were Debian ... grumble. Jul 12 04:58:18 hah Jul 12 04:58:56 add an & just incase the operation kills your connection Jul 12 05:00:27 it's more than that Jul 12 05:00:40 it gets confused about configuration and such. never mind. Jul 12 05:01:25 what image are you using chocky? Jul 12 05:01:30 anyone know if there is a way to run ssh through https, or something like that, basically i'm not allowed ssh but i really miss console access to my server Jul 12 05:01:44 whatever it shipped with Jul 12 05:02:08 niklauz: just change the ssh daemon to run on port 443 Jul 12 05:02:42 that is still snoopable as ssh though, better to not look like i'm trying to circumvent them Jul 12 05:02:50 chocky i got something that will cheer you up Jul 12 05:02:58 http://echosphere.net/star_trek_insp/insp_mudd.png Jul 12 05:03:29 the reference is lost on me Jul 12 05:03:41 never seen startrek? Jul 12 05:03:46 yes, but still Jul 12 05:04:05 wow the name of the actress who plays the White Witch in Chronicles of Narnia is actual Tilda Jul 12 05:04:14 lol cool Jul 12 05:04:14 I wonder if she abbreviates it using ~ Jul 12 05:04:22 [#openmoko] Jul 12 05:04:52 ok Chocky howbout this one http://echosphere.net/star_trek_insp/insp_espionage.png Jul 12 05:05:11 hm, yes Jul 12 05:05:42 * Chocky waits for opkg lots Jul 12 05:07:38 heh, the daily 2007.2 image doesn't have a dhcp client Jul 12 05:07:50 the humanity of it Jul 12 05:07:56 and iwconfig key doesn't work Jul 12 05:08:43 just noticed that Jul 12 05:08:50 it's not compiled into the kernel correctly Jul 12 05:09:16 need extra modules? Jul 12 05:09:17 How so? defconfig problem? Jul 12 05:10:50 encryption support is a module in the wifi stack Jul 12 05:11:28 IEEE 802.11 WEP encryption (802.1x) Jul 12 05:11:33 IEEE 802.11i CCMP support Jul 12 05:11:38 IEEE 802.11i TKIP encryption Jul 12 05:11:44 all 3 are modules in the kernel config Jul 12 05:12:06 That's a problem? Jul 12 05:12:14 so you need to install the modules ipkg Jul 12 05:12:26 ah, didn't know there was a modules pack for them Jul 12 05:12:37 anyway, i'll deal with it later Jul 12 05:12:39 sould be in the repo Jul 12 05:12:57 if it modulized em or try modprobing em Jul 12 05:14:44 well, they're not included, but they may be in a package Jul 12 05:14:59 i just checked... /lib/modules is pretty bare Jul 12 05:16:31 * daMaestro got his shipping confirmation Jul 12 05:19:08 gah Jul 12 05:19:15 * Package ncurses wants to install file /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 Jul 12 05:19:17 But that file is already provided by package * libncurses5 Jul 12 05:19:45 Stop making excuses and do it!! Jul 12 05:19:47 :) Jul 12 05:21:26 hi, i've notice that mokomakefile set "~/build/conf/local.conf" to "om-gta01", is this correct for Neofreerunner? Jul 12 05:22:23 om-gta02 for Freerunner Jul 12 05:23:10 mmontour, so, the default is wrong, i have to correct manually? Jul 12 05:24:15 yes, you should change your local.conf Jul 12 05:25:06 oh dear Jul 12 05:25:10 I broke something Jul 12 05:25:14 oh, wait. Jul 12 05:25:20 just takes ages ;-) Jul 12 05:29:32 * Chocky tries GPS Jul 12 05:29:37 lol search youtube for "fake rope" Jul 12 05:32:21 iwconfig works now Jul 12 05:33:58 modprobe? Jul 12 05:34:06 upgrade, reboot Jul 12 05:38:13 openmoko has a lot of maillists Jul 12 05:38:21 >_> Jul 12 05:38:25 Yeah. O__o; Jul 12 05:38:36 * Chocky has a lot of bedtime Jul 12 05:38:45 NO YOU DON'T Jul 12 05:38:49 YOU STAY RIGHT HERE Jul 12 05:38:54 hahahah Jul 12 05:39:45 kd8ikt, awesome Jul 12 05:41:49 for what Jul 12 05:45:07 thats funny Jul 12 05:46:51 kd8ikt, the fake rope recommendation Jul 12 05:46:58 i fricken love youtube Jul 12 05:47:17 we need to work on a youtube freerunner app Jul 12 05:47:32 iirc, there are no arm builds of flash Jul 12 05:47:54 NOOOO Jul 12 05:48:00 I though chumby was arm Jul 12 05:48:02 it has flash Jul 12 05:48:08 and also N800 and 810 Jul 12 05:49:02 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3SffhzAjBY Jul 12 05:49:24 flash on N800 Jul 12 05:50:38 oh man i forgot i wanted one of those nokia tablets Jul 12 05:52:27 goodwill, link to the builds? Jul 12 05:52:47 I do not have any Jul 12 05:52:53 I'll look around Jul 12 05:52:59 but flash can run on arm Jul 12 05:55:05 flash lite? Jul 12 05:55:45 Argg.. ... Odd place to ask, but anyone know where you can get decent working Laptops for under $100? >__>; Jul 12 05:56:06 Jacen: freegeek? freecycle? Jul 12 05:56:12 Jacen: define decent Jul 12 05:56:19 haha Jul 12 05:56:24 laptop <=100 thats laughable Jul 12 05:56:26 olpc, oops! Jul 12 05:56:33 kd8ikt: nope flash 9 Jul 12 05:57:08 i'll sell you this 486@50mhz 500mb drive laptop for 100 Jul 12 05:57:26 http://www.electronicsweekly.com/Articles/2008/05/02/43661/arm-welcomes-adobes-mobile-flash-move.htm Jul 12 05:57:34 heh my linksys router has power cpu then that ;) Jul 12 05:58:52 Jacen, http://laptop.org Jul 12 05:59:03 it chugs for seconds just loging in via ssh Jul 12 05:59:28 they still selling the buy two get one Jul 12 06:00:03 goodwill, yeah, i had found that Jul 12 06:00:05 nope even still that was like 400$ Jul 12 06:00:05 openmoko webstore shows an empty list in Purchase Options: http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner Jul 12 06:00:20 >_> Sorry, had to disapear. Jul 12 06:00:20 sold out Jul 12 06:00:32 for now Jul 12 06:01:04 Anyways, Freecycle would be great if I didn't live in the middle of nowhere. Kekeke. Jul 12 06:01:18 Sold Out? Jul 12 06:01:19 GSM 900Mhz variant stock is due on on July 25th Jul 12 06:02:06 anyone know if the sold out applies for the other stores in asia/europe? Jul 12 06:04:45 it should really be made more clear it's sold out and more are on the way Jul 12 06:07:08 what's different with Qtopia and openmoko .I find a project name Qtopia in ASU_Feature_Plan,how diff this Qtopia with trolltech.com/products/qtopia Jul 12 06:08:56 hi Jul 12 06:12:59 kd8ikt, how did you know about the 25th date? does this apply to openmoko store? Jul 12 06:14:13 smhar: it applies only to 900mhz I believe Jul 12 06:14:25 its there in small letters on that link you sent Jul 12 06:14:43 under SOLD OUT? Jul 12 06:14:54 bottom right Jul 12 06:15:03 i just copy/pasted Jul 12 06:16:06 goodwill, kd8ikt, I am a happy duck again :-) I am only intrested in the 900mhz models ,,yay Jul 12 06:16:28 oh... well noproblem Jul 12 06:17:48 will the new patch of FreeRunners have their antena problem fixed? Jul 12 06:18:17 i guess the new patch wont have one to begin with Jul 12 06:18:32 batch Jul 12 06:19:42 Fossi, ?? how come? Jul 12 06:19:56 antenna problem* Jul 12 06:20:05 no problem= no fix Jul 12 06:20:39 kd8ikt, oh, I thought you meant no gps antena to begin with :-) Jul 12 06:20:47 what the problem? Jul 12 06:20:51 whats the problem? Jul 12 06:20:59 see topic Jul 12 06:20:59 ~gps Jul 12 06:21:01 hmm... gps is http://russnelson.com/ipaq/gps/ or qpegps.sf.net or gpsqpe.sf.net Jul 12 06:22:07 what's the antenna problem? Jul 12 06:22:15 see topic Jul 12 06:22:33 Sold Out? Jul 12 06:22:42 damn paste crap Jul 12 06:24:29 Fossi: that links talk about repair...whats actually wrong with it? Jul 12 06:24:41 bad antenna conneciton Jul 12 06:24:43 well, it says what's wrong with it Jul 12 06:24:58 * goodwill is not a hardware guy Jul 12 06:25:01 a pin isn't soldered well and the connector is deformed Jul 12 06:25:02 its deformed it seems Jul 12 06:25:29 ah crap Jul 12 06:25:34 well if you dont feel you can fix it i'm sure you can send it in under warranty and they'll fix it Jul 12 06:25:35 I do not solder Jul 12 06:25:37 now i just have to get a 6x40 torque to fix it :\ Jul 12 06:25:58 Is there anyone online who is familiar with the accelerometers in a Freerunner? Jul 12 06:25:59 send it in? to where? Jul 12 06:26:11 local vendor? or back to taiwan? Jul 12 06:26:13 well, as it will void your warranty, i won't solder mine either i guess Jul 12 06:26:29 i dunno jeez Jul 12 06:26:38 you're killin me Jul 12 06:26:53 you'll first have to wait some more and see what solutions everybody comes up with Jul 12 06:28:24 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Accelerometer rtm? Jul 12 06:29:36 where would you configure the init process in the openmoko distro? i see no conf.d, no rc.d, found no tools to do it Jul 12 06:29:38 kd8ikt: Yes, thanks, I've looked at that. I see data coming out of /dev/input/event3, but not /dev/input/event3. I'm wondering if I have a hardware problem. Jul 12 06:30:04 rtm: that sentence didn't make sense Jul 12 06:30:07 Whoo, Sonic the Hedgehog for the win. :3 Jul 12 06:30:40 Fossi: Sorry! I meant I see data from event3, but not event2! Jul 12 06:30:43 eh Jul 12 06:30:46 heh Jul 12 06:31:16 hm wonder where the other is located Jul 12 06:31:38 tried event4? and or all the other ones? Jul 12 06:31:57 i cant wait till i get my phone Jul 12 06:32:09 exactly one week from today Jul 12 06:32:16 rtm: well, if it helps any, it's the same for me Jul 12 06:32:54 kb8ikt: Yes, I tried those. Only event3 gives the data stream described on the Wiki. Jul 12 06:33:16 wait yeah the wiki says "/dev/input/event2 and /dev/input/event3" Jul 12 06:33:19 Fossi: That does make me feel somewhat better. Jul 12 06:34:09 If you "cat /dev/input/event3 | od", you see the stream described on the Wiki, and the stream changes when you move your phone. Jul 12 06:34:28 Not so for event2, at least on my unit. Jul 12 06:36:19 same here Jul 12 06:36:24 same here Jul 12 06:36:34 event3 is good, 2 is nothing... i seem to recall this on the mailing list Jul 12 06:36:41 so maybe it's a driver problem or somesuch Jul 12 06:37:07 w00t! I just found out it was finally released! Jul 12 06:37:13 "ok, neod seems to do something with them and seems to sometimes reconfigure them. Jul 12 06:37:13 That seems to be the reason why I got no data. Jul 12 06:37:13 I have managed to get values from event2, too now." Jul 12 06:37:14 OK, thanks for the info, and for checking your devices. Jul 12 06:37:16 I'm so happy Jul 12 06:37:32 so something with "neod" ... not even sure what that is Jul 12 06:37:35 now all I have to do is buy one... heh Jul 12 06:38:44 i has a matchbox-keyboard \o/ Jul 12 06:38:50 finally a / Jul 12 06:38:53 i managed to get wifi working with wpa Jul 12 06:39:09 though i was thinking about just putting that character into multitab Jul 12 06:40:01 ieatlint: i don't even wanna try ;D Jul 12 06:40:38 i did because i want to install packages without creating some nat through the usb0 if Jul 12 06:40:39 ieatlint: Was everything you needed on the Wiki page about Freerunner wifi, or did you have to do a lot of sleuthing? Jul 12 06:41:17 uhm, i needed some info from the wiki, but i also had a bit of experience with it Jul 12 06:41:42 not through a gui of course, through console Jul 12 06:42:07 well, i just put up an 'open' wlan with mac filters Jul 12 06:42:31 enough to keep people around here out Jul 12 06:42:43 i guess i'll even keep it open and add a traffic shaper Jul 12 06:43:15 well, it's not much more effort than what you're already doing then Jul 12 06:43:27 you basically "connect" to the ap as though it had no encryption Jul 12 06:43:50 you create a wpa_supplicant.conf and then run the daemon... it sets up the encryption Jul 12 06:43:57 yes, just that wpa_supplicant likes to through weird error messages at me Jul 12 06:43:57 run the dhcp client, and you got an ip Jul 12 06:44:13 just ignore them Jul 12 06:44:28 i thought they were blocking me too, but they weren't Jul 12 06:44:36 and that my router doesn't want to hand out a dhcp address to the moko Jul 12 06:44:48 i don't know why, but i also don't feel like finding out Jul 12 06:44:55 how you fix the event2 (1st accellerometer)? would it be worth putting on the wiki as a sub sub sub note? Jul 12 06:45:18 did you figure out how to fix it? Jul 12 06:45:42 fossi using encryption? Jul 12 06:47:16 a gui app for scanning/listing AP's + adding entries into wpasupplicant would be *tits* Jul 12 06:47:55 dude i need to start coding crap with all my time Jul 12 06:48:29 tits? Jul 12 06:48:30 read through a few C books before and can do simple stuff like math and echo's even read up about kernel programming Jul 12 06:48:47 that's a job for python Jul 12 06:48:49 printk Jul 12 06:48:54 well, then... do? Jul 12 06:49:12 python ? +gtk? Jul 12 06:49:18 i think somebody works on a radar on the project stuff Jul 12 06:50:20 a radar? how so? Jul 12 06:50:53 gps+wifi? Jul 12 06:51:22 how is that a radar? Jul 12 06:51:28 so you could walk around? maybe get a better idea where that AP is that your trying to get close to ;) Jul 12 06:52:04 thats brilliant Jul 12 06:52:30 there are applications for such things (see kismet) Jul 12 06:52:35 they're not the most reliable and such Jul 12 06:52:48 yeah... but it doesnt draw a picture for you Jul 12 06:53:57 not sure the ar6k supports monitor mode?!? Jul 12 06:54:12 *yet* Jul 12 06:57:08 Woahmagosh Jul 12 06:57:12 Mine shipped. :D Jul 12 06:59:57 kd8ikt: no monitor mode on the FR Jul 12 07:01:37 * kd8ikt is messin with http://projects.openmoko.org Jul 12 07:02:03 its a bit empty Jul 12 07:02:09 "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv4tl; c) AppleWebKit/525.1+ (KHTML, like Gecko, Safari/525.1+) openmoko-browser2" Jul 12 07:02:15 if anyone is curious what the user agent is Jul 12 07:02:27 i agree, I had a project, its not under development anymore Jul 12 07:03:02 It was a GUI for dfu-util Jul 12 07:06:16 cant say i care too much for that sites layout either Jul 12 07:06:38 amazing like sourceforge though Jul 12 07:07:13 take a bit to get the hang of it Jul 12 07:07:22 its got forums ;) Jul 12 07:14:35 * Jacen is secretly Bonkers in disguise~ Jul 12 07:18:22 'Ello Mr Shlee. Can I get you some Tea? Jul 12 07:20:36 opkg is driving me crazy Jul 12 07:20:49 Morning, no thanks Jacen. Jul 12 07:21:00 Fine. Jul 12 07:21:19 * Jacen sips from the neglected tea cup. Jul 12 07:22:50 how do I stop usb0 from disconnecting? Jul 12 07:23:27 if anyone from Toronto, there's a new buying group u can join, currently 2/10 Jul 12 07:25:48 dont you get some free stuff with group orders? Jul 12 07:25:50 don't unplug the usb cable Jul 12 07:26:02 ieatlint: why? Jul 12 07:26:09 kd8ikt: a free carrying back, and $30 off the order Jul 12 07:26:19 ? a fag bag? Jul 12 07:26:25 fanny pack* Jul 12 07:26:37 kd8ikt: some typo that is Jul 12 07:26:40 i forget that some people are really gay and take offense Jul 12 07:26:47 uh... heh Jul 12 07:26:52 * ieatlint_ lives in san francisco Jul 12 07:27:00 then you know what i mean Jul 12 07:27:10 kd8ikt: ooohhh you are in trouble now .... ;) Jul 12 07:27:11 Hmm dang. Jul 12 07:27:17 yeah, as many of my friends are gay, i know Jul 12 07:27:23 I forgot if I ordered anything extra with my Freerunner or not. >_> Jul 12 07:27:29 it's like "nigger" ... only they get to use that term Jul 12 07:27:33 ieatlint: you part of one of SF Group buys? Jul 12 07:27:40 ieatlint_: you part of one of SF Group buys? Jul 12 07:27:40 heh you'll love this lint http://echosphere.net/star_trek_insp/insp_sanfrancisco.png Jul 12 07:27:46 nope, didn't know there was any Jul 12 07:28:12 that's not true Jul 12 07:28:16 LA and vegas are the same Jul 12 07:28:19 lolz Jul 12 07:28:27 berkeley and santa cruz are a maybe Jul 12 07:28:54 do you think the gsm antenna is mildly directional? Jul 12 07:29:14 ieatlint_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#San_Francisco_Bay_Area Jul 12 07:29:56 I'm in the U-Boot, and I've plugged the USB in, but the computer doesn't see it Jul 12 07:30:01 is there something I need to do? Jul 12 07:30:17 emacsen: what are you trying to do? Jul 12 07:30:18 yeah, i may have paid $30 more and not gotten a bag i'd never use, but i got my device ... they have 5 people with at least one wanting a 900 Jul 12 07:30:35 goodwill: flash the device with the qtopia image Jul 12 07:30:47 goodwill: but right now, see it with lsusb :) Jul 12 07:30:47 there is no usb0 ethernet interface in u-boot Jul 12 07:30:50 it's something else Jul 12 07:31:15 dfu-util made my unplug my computer's bluetooth dongle to flash :* Jul 12 07:31:49 i'm trying to get settingsgui to work... Jul 12 07:32:03 ieatlint_: is that to me? Jul 12 07:32:08 nothing else is plugged in Jul 12 07:32:24 my last two statements were essentially irrelevant to you Jul 12 07:32:39 when you try and run dfu-util, what does it say? Jul 12 07:33:32 shoot the phone turned itself off, hold on Jul 12 07:34:15 its alive, its alive! Jul 12 07:34:22 kill it!!! Jul 12 07:34:23 lol and now, it worked. who nows Jul 12 07:34:24 kill it now!!! Jul 12 07:34:42 emacsen: once the phone is on, it takes like 5 seconds for the computer to see it Jul 12 07:35:01 next time, just keep executing the command till it works like 30s have passed Jul 12 07:35:05 kd8ikt: kill it before it reproduces again!!! Jul 12 07:35:44 ieatlint_ they should add that to the wiki :) Jul 12 07:35:56 lets hope the qtopia images work better :) Jul 12 07:36:05 there's a lot that should be added Jul 12 07:36:24 but the phrase "they should add that to the wiki" should read "i should add that to the wiki" Jul 12 07:36:45 ieatlint_ fair nuff :) Jul 12 07:36:56 >_> So, how's the battery life guys? Jul 12 07:37:05 but it works, and that's good... well it's working... it's uploading the rootfs image now Jul 12 07:37:26 so I got my friend hooked on linux now, so much so he complains about how the website need terminals Jul 12 07:39:22 hey goodwill http://youtube.com/watch?v=DCQ7dmGuAU8 Jul 12 07:39:56 Also, how long you think till the phone can be considered Stable? Jul 12 07:40:26 depends what you want it to do Jul 12 07:40:43 parts of the phone will be stable long before other parts are Jul 12 07:40:53 well considering one hasnt reached critical mass spontaneously proves its stable ;) Jul 12 07:41:02 Lulz Jul 12 07:41:43 Jacen: I find it stable... it's pretty solid, being made of metal and plastic Jul 12 07:41:49 <_<; Jul 12 07:41:56 the OS on the other hand... ;) Jul 12 07:42:57 I hold out hope that the qtopia project will inject some sanity in the UI while the kernel improves in time Jul 12 07:43:30 that kinda rhyms Jul 12 07:43:38 Lulz Jul 12 07:43:39 Ah well Jul 12 07:43:43 okay, reflashed rootfs... so, guess it's time to reboot! Jul 12 07:43:43 I spoze I'm off to bed. Jul 12 07:43:50 Seeya. Jul 12 07:43:59 emacsen are you british by chance? Jul 12 07:44:23 kd8ikt: no Jul 12 07:44:33 I'm American. Just up at 4am Jul 12 07:44:47 3:44 here EST Jul 12 07:44:53 yeap Jul 12 07:45:07 sleep is for the weak Jul 12 07:45:45 the whole week Jul 12 07:45:47 hey hey... it's doing ... something Jul 12 07:46:16 (I had a gui then screen went blank w/ cursor again) Jul 12 07:46:28 i got settingsgui running, yay Jul 12 07:46:39 although it's only kinda supported by the gta02, having been written for gta01 Jul 12 07:48:00 ooh, google access using shell Jul 12 07:48:02 goosh.com Jul 12 07:49:02 .org Jul 12 07:49:17 eh? Jul 12 07:49:36 .or-G Jul 12 07:50:17 ieatlint_ the phone also makes a nifty flashlight when you don't want to wake your girlfriend up Jul 12 07:51:03 goosh.org, not goosh.com Jul 12 07:51:17 rwhitby: right Jul 12 07:51:20 my bad Jul 12 07:51:34 my old phone had an led flash for it's camera i could turn on to use as a flashlight... this isn't quite as good Jul 12 07:52:37 need a way to tunr on the pixels white eh? Jul 12 07:52:54 turn all* Jul 12 07:53:12 mother funk my fingers have been goofy lately Jul 12 07:53:35 is pygtk used on the main firmware? Jul 12 07:54:19 heard a lot of talk about the main firmware utilizing both so... i'm taking a stab Jul 12 07:57:53 2007.2 does not have pygtk, but it's in the repos Jul 12 07:58:09 i just installed it Jul 12 07:58:53 just wondering what i should look into for making a gui app Jul 12 08:00:06 well, with fso, it will prolly run anyway Jul 12 08:00:32 and asaik asu can run gtk apps just as well Jul 12 08:01:05 then again, who needs a gui if there's a root shell at hand ;D Jul 12 08:02:12 fso has python_ Jul 12 08:02:13 ? Jul 12 08:02:29 well, maybe not yet Jul 12 08:02:38 but why shouldn't you be able to install it? Jul 12 08:02:55 squinting ang pecking at my cellphone isnt what i call practical, fun yes but def not something you'd see me doing waiting in the line at the store Jul 12 08:03:33 but thumb hacking cause i did most of the real work at home making the app sounds better Jul 12 08:03:59 it is what seperates us from the beasts right? Jul 12 08:07:07 like an ap that scans/selects an AP and asks for a encryption key/cipher with touch keyboard at the bottom sounds much more appealing then iwlist scan; iwconfig ath0 essid myfingershurt; iwconfig key blah; dhcpcd ath0 Jul 12 08:13:41 yeah, this may actually force me to learn python Jul 12 08:13:52 since i won't have the patience to do it in c Jul 12 08:14:28 the few and the proud with the hardware Jul 12 08:15:03 lets help make some history eh? Jul 12 08:17:15 so it stands to me that the qtopia image is the easiest/stablest/nicest but lacks support for more than sms and telephony Jul 12 08:17:49 2007.2 has fine telephony, very mediocre sms, and somehow can only detect about 30 of the contacts from my sim Jul 12 08:18:03 and asu is ... well, difficult Jul 12 08:18:16 and fso is just telephony, hehe Jul 12 08:19:05 FSO doesnt have the driver/kernel stuff for the moko's advanced hardware? Jul 12 08:19:19 uhm, it may, i didn't spend that much time with it Jul 12 08:19:52 it's user interface consisted of telling you your signal strength, your battery level, the time/date, and then the ability to dial phone numbers Jul 12 08:19:59 its Jul 12 08:20:29 Hi, what's the web browser openmoko uses? Jul 12 08:20:42 an implementation of webkit Jul 12 08:21:00 gecko based right? Jul 12 08:21:07 webkit Jul 12 08:21:11 "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv4tl; c) AppleWebKit/525.1+ (KHTML, like Gecko, Safari/525.1+) openmoko-browser2" Jul 12 08:21:22 yeah Jul 12 08:21:30 heh? Jul 12 08:21:37 that's three different platforms in one Jul 12 08:21:46 webkit/gtk? Jul 12 08:21:48 mozilla, webkit and khtml are 3 different engines. what's going on? Jul 12 08:22:03 everything says mozilla Jul 12 08:22:06 on a full machine, these correspond to firefox, safari and konqueror Jul 12 08:22:15 eg "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0)" Jul 12 08:22:38 safari and konqueror are also webkit... dunno why they're listed Jul 12 08:22:48 konqueror uses the khtml engine Jul 12 08:23:27 where to find the browser sources? Jul 12 08:24:03 I want to have a look Jul 12 08:24:31 "KHTML is the HTML layout engine developed by the KDE project. It is the engine used by the Konqueror web browser, and a forked version (WebKit) is used by Apple's Safari web browser." Jul 12 08:25:07 right Jul 12 08:25:35 where to find the openmoko browser sources? Jul 12 08:25:47 svn Jul 12 08:26:12 can you give me its address Jul 12 08:26:46 90210 Beverly hills Jul 12 08:27:14 http://svn.openmoko.org/ Jul 12 08:27:26 thx Jul 12 08:28:53 http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-browser2/ Jul 12 08:29:00 that was excessively difficult to find Jul 12 08:30:21 i just installed the fso again to take a real look behind the lackluster gui Jul 12 08:31:49 is the FSO the 2007? Jul 12 08:32:06 the openmoko firmware i mean Jul 12 08:32:31 no Jul 12 08:32:42 there's 2007.2, asu, fso and qtopia Jul 12 08:32:45 damn you! stick to the moko sources! Jul 12 08:32:53 it ships with 2007.2 Jul 12 08:39:40 ok ok i read through http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release Jul 12 09:07:28 holy molly Jul 12 09:07:35 hello everybody Jul 12 09:08:11 some questions lads Jul 12 09:08:26 a) does anyone ave good documentation on freerunner? Jul 12 09:09:27 b)i am having problems doing dpkg update... Jul 12 09:09:56 Signature check failed - is what i am getting every second line Jul 12 09:10:04 did anyone fight it yet? Jul 12 09:10:22 c) is there anyone in here at all? Jul 12 09:10:32 i'm here Jul 12 09:10:38 The signature check is just a security woopsie, it's being looked into :) Jul 12 09:10:52 dimko have you seen the wiki? Jul 12 09:10:56 does it update as supposed to? Jul 12 09:11:01 dimko: yes Jul 12 09:11:06 emdete: yeah, pretty useless Jul 12 09:11:18 dimko: really? hm, it helped me alot Jul 12 09:11:20 i'm new... i'm just reading the wiki until my eyes bleed Jul 12 09:11:24 * dimko went to sleep at 5 yesterday, reading wiki Jul 12 09:11:35 dimko: so what was missing? Jul 12 09:11:47 i cant install any packaging Jul 12 09:12:04 i have errors and believe it or not wiki HAS NOTHING on it... Jul 12 09:12:07 thats a quite general remark Jul 12 09:12:17 got to get the OM networked right? Jul 12 09:12:22 niether googling helped either Jul 12 09:12:47 example: i want to install media player Jul 12 09:13:29 the current gtk image comes with a media player Jul 12 09:14:19 download this http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080710/Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080710-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Jul 12 09:14:30 i don't now if i have current image... Jul 12 09:14:35 and flash it to your rootfs Jul 12 09:14:56 have you flashed your divice? Jul 12 09:15:49 nope Jul 12 09:15:55 only got it ysterday... Jul 12 09:16:05 dimko: dpkg? Jul 12 09:16:14 then you have the one from 2007.2 Jul 12 09:16:25 dimko: there is ipkg in the older one and opkg in this one Jul 12 09:16:32 dimko: its not debian Jul 12 09:17:32 * dimko is using gentoo btw Jul 12 09:17:33 me too... read from here down: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Booting_the_Neo_Freerunner Jul 12 09:17:48 learn to flash your device Jul 12 09:18:11 quite a bit of improvements Jul 12 09:18:23 i am not happy with idea, if smth goes wrong i shall need other devices... Jul 12 09:19:15 no... there is a complete reset that you can restore from... i think Jul 12 09:19:23 i had no problems Jul 12 09:19:54 i even tried the new Qt version Jul 12 09:20:15 didn't like it as much as anticipated Jul 12 09:20:30 As long as you don't mess up u-boot there's no problem, and with the freerunner you can even recover from that Jul 12 09:20:35 * CM only has a GTA01 Jul 12 09:21:06 z3cka: i am not into qt really... Jul 12 09:21:31 i've heard if you mess up real bad... all you need is a debug board to fix just about everything Jul 12 09:21:50 dimko: me neither Jul 12 09:22:19 i like to gtk version... but word is that they are switching Jul 12 09:22:27 z3cka: You don't need a debugboard with the freerunner Jul 12 09:22:44 You can restore a working uboot from a built in flash Jul 12 09:23:04 And if uboot works you can flash a new kernel and rootfs via usb Jul 12 09:23:37 nice Jul 12 09:23:47 mmmm Jul 12 09:23:52 interesting... Jul 12 09:23:59 hence, not that much to worry about Jul 12 09:24:47 mine don't make calls yet anyway... so i got nothing to luse Jul 12 09:24:52 anyone hae 850 in stock? Jul 12 09:25:02 or lead time for nother smd run or wahtever is needed? Jul 12 09:25:23 the OM store does... no? Jul 12 09:25:29 hrm, afaik no Jul 12 09:25:53 * ja tries ff instead of opera just in case js was screwing up Jul 12 09:28:22 wow looks like you are right... no phones till the 25th... (900's that is) Jul 12 09:28:40 im surprised ASUS doesnt have a gta02 competitor. or MSI Jul 12 09:28:44 wtf theyre slackin! Jul 12 09:28:55 iriver or meizum8 might be out by the time the 850 is in stock Jul 12 09:29:36 how many 850"s did they sell? Jul 12 09:29:42 ?do you know Jul 12 09:29:49 nope. was a ml thread on it Jul 12 09:29:53 ja: Well, from the time of conception 'till the eeePC was launched, there were 12 months :) Jul 12 09:29:59 So... :) Jul 12 09:30:04 asus already makes phones afaik Jul 12 09:30:12 they just dont care about making a generic/linux/open one i guess Jul 12 09:30:32 i'm on a 9" EeePC right now!!!! weeee :-D Jul 12 09:30:39 isn HTC founder like the sister of FIC founder or something anyways Jul 12 09:30:54 surprised HTC doesnt drop a bomb somewehre on this mess and save me the hassle of some conky looking unnecessarily thick gta02, but wahtever Jul 12 09:30:56 anyone activly developing? Jul 12 09:31:44 nope... just a user, active trying to use this thing Jul 12 09:31:59 ... Jul 12 09:32:05 *actively Jul 12 09:32:18 then why the fudge did you buy it Jul 12 09:32:23 kd8ikt: shame about the no USB2. i really wanted a QS1R plugged in Jul 12 09:32:23 nice z3cka, i'm on the original eee 701 Jul 12 09:32:55 although i currently have my eee connected to a full size keyboard and lcd Jul 12 09:33:03 imagine a lil portable version of the rohde/schwarz 10K analyzer unit for about an order magnitude lessprice.. Jul 12 09:33:08 i bought it to use it as a phone... and give feedback and testing Jul 12 09:34:00 ja: Ditto for the Tenori-on music device... :) Jul 12 09:34:12 * dimko wanted a REAL linux phone, not more, not less Jul 12 09:34:16 leinirAWAY: imo DS is the best mini music device Jul 12 09:34:20 hell, i got more than wanted... Jul 12 09:34:22 Plus things the Tenori-on cannot do, due to being an un-connective device :) Jul 12 09:34:24 leinirAWAY: esp if Korgs new USB stuff works with it Jul 12 09:34:28 ja: actually my htc prophet is just as thick Jul 12 09:34:34 ieatlint: good idea... the small keyboard is brutal Jul 12 09:34:36 too many indians not enough chiefs eh Jul 12 09:34:46 ja: and looks less sleek in comparison Jul 12 09:34:46 buy youreself an exellent linux phone and get all sort of linux related problems for free :))) Jul 12 09:35:05 expensive linux phone i might add Jul 12 09:35:10 and it doesn't have a touchpad driver ;D Jul 12 09:35:23 Fossi: dual-core CPU tho. for uh.. i dunno Jul 12 09:35:49 z3cka: its just i found some place that had bought 10packs and was selling them individually, but my browser history is short Jul 12 09:35:56 z3cka: so they might not have sold out yet Jul 12 09:36:20 ... Jul 12 09:36:22 well, still doesn't help booting a kernel without a touchpad driver :D Jul 12 09:36:25 i see Jul 12 09:37:42 guys... my bad, misconfigured DNS... Jul 12 09:38:05 well, its not a good thing not to be able to give proper responce on problem... Jul 12 09:39:18 dimko: is your OM connected through wifi? Jul 12 09:39:39 i can if i want to, but at the moment its over usb Jul 12 09:40:17 so it gets the network through you desktop machine? Jul 12 09:40:59 dimko: did you follow the guide in the wiki for usb networking? Jul 12 09:41:24 yes, all works now thank you Jul 12 09:41:26 Didn't work for me, guess I'll give it another try Jul 12 09:41:29 nope... skipped it, and went to flashing Jul 12 09:41:50 i will give it another go Jul 12 09:41:50 CM: what gateway do you have at home? Jul 12 09:42:03 gateway? Jul 12 09:42:15 I mean I can't even ssh to the phone Jul 12 09:42:17 z3cka: actually not, i connected to my server Jul 12 09:42:32 i can share my experience on that Jul 12 09:42:40 its rather very simple Jul 12 09:43:00 the only thing - you would have to use vi, dont ask me how, i use emacs Jul 12 09:43:08 a) Jul 12 09:43:20 * CM likes vi Jul 12 09:43:22 you need a module built in or insmodded Jul 12 09:43:39 cdc_ether Jul 12 09:43:57 you can find it in netowrkig devices, usb devices Jul 12 09:44:03 I do, and I get the usb1: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:1d.1-2, CDC Ethernet Device, 7e:1b:3d:b0:e1:58 when I plug the phone in Jul 12 09:44:08 at least in gentoo kernel Jul 12 09:44:15 good Jul 12 09:44:17 And I have created a eth.usb0 Jul 12 09:44:28 lol, why do you need it? Jul 12 09:44:36 anyway Jul 12 09:44:50 It worked before, using iptables Jul 12 09:44:53 does your desctop support routing? Jul 12 09:44:59 desktop even Jul 12 09:45:13 You mean if I use networkmanager? Jul 12 09:45:40 no, i mean if you connect another pc to youe desktop directly, will it go onto internet? Jul 12 09:46:05 Ah, ok. Nope, no auto forwarding Jul 12 09:46:41 But that part is fine, I just don't get why the phone doesn't show up, or why I can't ssh over the usb network Jul 12 09:46:49 found vendor... i think someone asked: http://shop.koolu.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5&products_id=5&zenid=1mkafqj1ka0tv8tl78u8k3a0f7 Jul 12 09:46:49 what gateway do you ahve at home? is it some dumb router? is it linux box? Jul 12 09:47:00 ok Jul 12 09:47:20 dimko: Dumb router, but that's all set up right Jul 12 09:47:21 CM: tell me, what does "ip link" give you? Jul 12 09:47:34 woopsi, here come troubles... Jul 12 09:47:55 i can help you connect to phone, but i wont be doing routing for you... Jul 12 09:48:07 Sure, no problem Jul 12 09:48:13 CM: tell me, what does "ip link" give you? Jul 12 09:48:14 dimko: http://pastie.org/232563 Jul 12 09:48:27 Didn't want to spam in here Jul 12 09:48:46 Hmm.. Wait a sec, what's that usb2 thing.. Jul 12 09:49:50 wooo... howcome you have 2 usb0 and usb1? interfaces? Jul 12 09:50:00 Wonder that too Jul 12 09:50:02 true Jul 12 09:50:15 Unplugged the phone and put it back in, now I get http://pastie.org/232564 Jul 12 09:50:31 Ahh. Damn. I have an usb bluetooth plug in there.. Jul 12 09:50:37 Bet that one is messing everything up Jul 12 09:51:34 yep ;) Jul 12 09:52:07 u prolly applied setting of you moko to usb Jul 12 09:52:42 I think it happened when I switched baselayout or so Jul 12 09:52:58 Just such a pain to clean out all configurations and restart ;) Jul 12 09:54:07 hi! I'm just trying this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Host-based_development_with_Xoo_and_Xephyr Jul 12 09:54:16 everything works but the font inside of gtk elements is much too big Jul 12 09:55:09 the text "Registering..." at the top left scales correctly and I can change it via the dpi setting for xoo Jul 12 09:57:45 anyone using the qtopia firmware? Jul 12 09:57:57 Yup :) Jul 12 09:58:00 One small problem- I can't hear calls :) Jul 12 09:58:03 (as in qtopia, not asu) Jul 12 09:58:04 and they can't hear me :) Jul 12 09:58:09 yes, as in qtopia Jul 12 09:58:18 does it work for you? Jul 12 09:58:25 Right... i'll check once my boyfriend wakes up... Jul 12 09:59:10 leinir: You know what's interesting about the Free Software community Jul 12 09:59:22 The community part? :) Jul 12 09:59:44 lenir: we're so small and odd that there's an equal chance in my mind that you're a gay man than a heterosexual woman Jul 12 10:00:18 8-) Jul 12 10:00:21 for the record, I woke my girlfriend up to have her answer the phone Jul 12 10:00:23 *giggles* Well, first option is correct, but yeah :) Jul 12 10:00:44 leinir: geek society is same shovenists everywhere, dont be offended, geeks dont have much sex, so they are bitter ;) Jul 12 10:01:05 dimko, we don't have MUCH sex, but generally it's more competant sex Jul 12 10:01:26 dimko: Did you ever watch Revenge of the Nerds? ;) Jul 12 10:01:34 emacsen: who told you WE are geeks, i am not ;) Jul 12 10:01:53 and no, i dont watch telly, its plain bore Jul 12 10:02:34 It's a movie, mid eighties or something like that Jul 12 10:02:50 1984 Jul 12 10:02:53 telly? must be all UK people or something Jul 12 10:02:55 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088000/ Jul 12 10:03:25 i lived there for two years, my boyfriend is an English ex patriot, but i'm a dane :) Jul 12 10:03:29 I'm running the qtopia build from the buildhost, and calling works Jul 12 10:03:30 emacsen: close, i live in Ireland Jul 12 10:03:36 i am not irish though Jul 12 10:03:58 But I can't answer. Should try the fso next Jul 12 10:04:45 I'm Irish, don't live in Ireland though :) Jul 12 10:05:19 doc|home: If you believe hollywood, you should live in Boston ;) Jul 12 10:05:31 CM: meh, that'd mean living in the US. fuck.that. :) Jul 12 10:05:43 pog ma hoin ;) Jul 12 10:05:45 Hehe Jul 12 10:05:48 yea, no audio on calls Jul 12 10:05:48 no thanks Jul 12 10:05:50 :) Jul 12 10:05:53 night all Jul 12 10:06:03 nighty Jul 12 10:06:41 great... well it's much prettier, but USELESS ;) Jul 12 10:06:56 well, thats QT to you ;) Jul 12 10:07:09 * dimko is so mutch not starting flame war Jul 12 10:07:15 Hi, has anyone of you done the internet connection sharing with Fedora? How do I get it to run the iptables stuff and such? Jul 12 10:07:19 Yes, QuickTime is not very good for sticking on a phone ;) Jul 12 10:07:23 emacsen: 2007 is the best option until mickey and co release the new FSO build. Jul 12 10:07:27 * leinir pokes dimko right back ;) Jul 12 10:07:40 MrShlee: yes, and no Jul 12 10:07:51 I spent 30 mins and I couldn't figure out how to send SMS Jul 12 10:08:05 vpv: Did you follow http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Fedora_.28Tested_with_FC8.29 Jul 12 10:08:20 vpv: uuu, man... you'd have to read tnns of manuals for that Jul 12 10:09:01 vpv: i find its better for you to use wireless than mess around with iptables and such Jul 12 10:09:13 its much easyer Jul 12 10:09:50 CM: thanks, but I guess that's just to get the computer <-> neo connection, which I've already managed to do. But it's useful anyway, so far I just did everything manually... Jul 12 10:10:25 Ok. I'm on gentoo and have no real experience with fedora. Doesn't NetworkManager handle that stuff? :) Jul 12 10:10:35 dimko: ok, I don't yet know how to use wireless on the neo, so I *thought* sharing might have been easier... Jul 12 10:11:21 CM: NM starts to ask Neo for an IP address with DHCP, I haven't been able to figure out how to have manual settings with NM Jul 12 10:14:34 vpv: i shall not be doing evertyhing for you Jul 12 10:14:39 i can help a bit though Jul 12 10:14:49 i only got mine frerunner yesterday myself Jul 12 10:15:05 anyway, to make life easy follow those steps Jul 12 10:15:52 1) cdc_ether - modprobe this module if its not in kernel of you main computer. if you dont know how - read documentation on howto compile kernel Jul 12 10:16:35 2) configure your future usb0 interface to be up and to be on 192.168.0.200/24 network. its simple Jul 12 10:17:19 3) (tricky part) configure eth0 interface with "iwconfig" program to connect to your wireless Jul 12 10:17:53 4) configure ip address of eth0 interface to one you have on your lan Jul 12 10:18:08 or should i say Wlan Jul 12 10:18:33 part 3 is tricky, a) make sure interface is up (ip link set eth0 up) Jul 12 10:18:53 b) dont forget to change /etc/resolv.conf Jul 12 10:19:38 if difficulties with wifi - man iwconfig Jul 12 10:19:58 dimko: thanks, I actually can see some networks with iwlist now, I'll try to continue from there Jul 12 10:20:01 another tricky thing - wireless security, disable it temporary, or you WILL have problems Jul 12 10:20:25 if stuck - let me know, i might help you Jul 12 10:20:35 hi there Jul 12 10:23:46 <|Marco|> mornin Jul 12 10:23:59 hm... Jul 12 10:24:12 i have a question regarding flushing device's kernel Jul 12 10:24:32 can anyone give it to me in simple steps? wiki doesnt make sence Jul 12 10:25:52 Hook the device up to your machine via USB, write out the command for flashing the kernel (the dfu-util one on the Getting Started page) Jul 12 10:25:54 <|Marco|> remove the kernel from NOR boot ? Jul 12 10:26:33 oh yeah that's the other thing. seems neither image has wpa2 support in the GUI Jul 12 10:26:39 Then turn on the device into u-boot using the method described on that page (the one which says used for flashing) Jul 12 10:26:57 Tap the AUX key to switch options (makes it not auto-boot) Jul 12 10:27:08 Launch the command you typed in on the computer Jul 12 10:27:32 Do it again if it returns with an error almost immediately :) Jul 12 10:28:00 ok, lets see... Jul 12 10:28:02 thank you Jul 12 10:30:49 leinir: so, for example i can log into my moko(configured for inet and also has small kernel image, which is less than 2 meg) and i can run that dfu command? Jul 12 10:30:56 dfu is dangerous isn't it? Jul 12 10:31:19 dfu is dangerous if you try to flash u-boot :) Jul 12 10:31:22 anyone knows what the strange white bar is on the bottom of my screen when i tap the datum? Jul 12 10:31:27 Everything else can be salvaged :) Jul 12 10:31:51 The dgu-command is run on your computer, not the device :) Jul 12 10:31:57 dfu, not dgu Jul 12 10:33:16 * dimko is confused... Jul 12 10:33:52 do i have to have a card connected to my pc or it can stay in moko? Jul 12 10:35:11 The freerunner came with a USB cable Jul 12 10:35:23 dimko, dfu doesn't have anything to do with the card Jul 12 10:35:28 ok Jul 12 10:35:36 Oh, you're trying to do the boot from SD card thing? Jul 12 10:35:36 can someone give me some quick support? Jul 12 10:35:43 downloaded Jul 12 10:35:53 leinir: i thought its most logical Jul 12 10:36:13 Well, i couldn't get it to work on mine *giggles* :) Jul 12 10:36:21 i'm sure i'm just doing something wrong, though :) Jul 12 10:36:42 reboot662: If anyone knew the answer to that question, i'm sure they would answer - hence the silence :) Jul 12 10:36:56 hi Jul 12 10:36:58 does anyone want to try if a 'ssh root@192.168.0.202 "opkg upgrade"' gives him a segmentation fault error too? Jul 12 10:37:06 better than than 376 people going "sorry, dunno!" ;) Jul 12 10:37:13 so no1 knows why i cant send text message's? Jul 12 10:37:16 damn Jul 12 10:37:17 soz Jul 12 10:37:29 * dimko hasnt got it working yet Jul 12 10:40:09 michael: worked for me last time I did it Jul 12 10:40:18 the ssh thing Jul 12 10:40:24 and the upgrade Jul 12 10:41:36 Haproli: when directly giving the command? Jul 12 10:41:45 when I do that it segfaults Jul 12 10:41:52 when i first login it works Jul 12 10:41:57 ahso Jul 12 10:42:14 Did not try directly sorry Jul 12 10:43:22 what dsn do i have to set in my windows ip config for openmoko Jul 12 10:44:21 cuz i cant ping google.cem Jul 12 10:44:23 com* Jul 12 10:49:26 michael Jul 12 10:49:32 got the same segmentation fault btw Jul 12 10:52:28 Haproli: thanks for testing, this is really bad. then i have to try openssh-sshd Jul 12 10:55:54 Sorry, a vast majority of the people here use linux. Jul 12 10:56:03 oops Jul 12 10:57:16 I think reboot967 had to reboor Jul 12 10:57:20 reboot* Jul 12 10:57:51 Well yes - he'll be reboot968 when he returns ;) Jul 12 10:58:00 :-d Jul 12 11:01:45 Hmm... The Qtopia image wakes up now and again, it seems like it happens when the quality of reception changes... Jul 12 11:03:17 ok, it looks like it's flashing now... Jul 12 11:03:50 If there's a # progress bar, then yes :) Jul 12 11:09:18 dimko: I got wireless to work with WEP security, thanks for pointing me to the right direction :) Jul 12 11:14:21 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r00694e18259a 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (5 files in 5 dirs): ogsmd: refactor unsolicited response delegation capability into dedicated channel class in gsm core. Jul 12 11:15:09 hey mickeyl Jul 12 11:15:36 mickeyl: quick question, what am I supposed to kill to truly get rid of phonekit on 2007.2 ? Jul 12 11:17:23 Ainulindale: good question. i don't know offhand, to be honest. I think it might be autostarted, so you need to remove the dbus service file Jul 12 11:18:02 mickeyl: so there's no easy to switch from phonekit to frameworkd without rebooting :-/ Jul 12 11:20:32 well Jul 12 11:20:34 you can kill the process Jul 12 11:20:39 I tried that Jul 12 11:20:44 I ended with zombie state Jul 12 11:20:55 And frameworkd -s ogsmd didn't do anything good unfortunately Jul 12 11:21:16 (i.e. mdbus -s didn't show it) Jul 12 11:22:08 mickeyl: Does the OM FSO have a git and/or TRAC? Jul 12 11:22:14 MrShlee: yes, both Jul 12 11:22:16 or is freesmartphone.org it? Jul 12 11:22:20 git.freesmartphone.org Jul 12 11:22:23 trac.freesmartphone.org Jul 12 11:23:01 Ainulindale: it's been a while, since i hacked on 2007.2. possibly the dialer is written so that it does not automatically follow name owner changes Jul 12 11:23:33 What do you mean ? Jul 12 11:24:17 if you kill dbus service and launch another that provides the same interface, the bus name owner changes Jul 12 11:24:27 well written clients don't care Jul 12 11:24:31 since they follow name owner changes Jul 12 11:24:32 ... Jul 12 11:24:33 :D Jul 12 11:24:47 Oh, yeah, didn't quite catch that Jul 12 11:32:39 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r1f8d5bb8950e 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/channel.py: ogsmd: repair damage done by previous commit Jul 12 11:35:26 hi, i read that gta02 can actually not be used as a phone for daily use Jul 12 11:35:39 The software isn't there yet. Jul 12 11:35:53 With some images it mostly works. Jul 12 11:37:11 there is an italian in channel...that have openmoko? Jul 12 11:43:00 opentrinity: Getting the actual hardware into the hands of developers will speed up the lack of functionality. Jul 12 11:43:57 so you tell me to wait? Jul 12 11:43:59 MrShlee: i'm sure that's not what you meant to say ;) Jul 12 11:44:26 opentrinity: If you want a working phone and are not planning to do development, yes :) Jul 12 11:44:27 I meant for FSO but yes. Jul 12 11:44:48 MrShlee: So... more developers will speed up the lack of functionality... ;) Jul 12 11:44:55 Are there any latest fso builds somewhere? Jul 12 11:45:13 Did a make clobber yesterday to clean up and it takes a while to rebuild Jul 12 11:45:52 ok, the grammar is dead. :D Jul 12 11:46:01 *giggles* :) Jul 12 11:47:22 leinir, i 'm a debian user and i 'm not scared to update my phone...but i hoe that for calls and sms works actually :-( Jul 12 11:47:52 opentrinity: Seen the we phone? Jul 12 11:48:32 CM, WHAT? Jul 12 11:48:55 opentrinity: http://koolu.com/Koolu-WE-Appliance/WE-Phone.html Jul 12 11:55:59 CM, sorry :-/ but what is the difference? Jul 12 11:57:39 ou yeah Jul 12 12:09:09 hai gais Jul 12 12:09:56 i have to go Jul 12 12:10:04 bye..and thanks Jul 12 12:10:59 i am trying to get the bluetooth working on my FR, but when i try to power it up nothing happens. any suggestions ? Jul 12 12:19:55 i use the command: echo "1" > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on i then read from the same file its still 0 Jul 12 12:24:10 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rc39eb56a185c 10/otapi/ (2 files in 2 dirs): OTAPI: document methods for generic and restricted SIM access: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.Send{Generic|Restricted}SimCommand() Jul 12 12:27:51 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r7e0193d67bec 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (modems/abstract/mediator.py objects.py): ogsmd: implement org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.Send{Generic|Restricted}SimCommand(...) Jul 12 12:29:54 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra0c4f1381578 10/ChangeLog: update ChangeLog Jul 12 12:31:03 strange when i used the gui it worked? Jul 12 13:23:38 sigh Jul 12 13:23:43 my FR kernel crashed Jul 12 13:28:44 the openmoko-browser2 doesn't seem to let you type in forms (eg, search in google) Jul 12 13:29:00 or even let you browse in my case :p Jul 12 13:29:06 * Chocky ended up with 3 onscreen keyboards Jul 12 13:29:14 Chocky: do you have ineternet? Jul 12 13:29:16 o Jul 12 13:29:23 yes Jul 12 13:30:01 Hey, i want to order the GTA02, but at the truebox.co.uk site it said there might be lots of problems with it, how true is that ? Jul 12 13:30:25 i mean, will i be able to make calls with no problem? what bugs should i expect? Jul 12 13:30:31 lots Jul 12 13:30:39 spdr: it's not so much that ther are problems, just the software is incomplete and buggy Jul 12 13:30:48 that's call problems Jul 12 13:30:52 +ed Jul 12 13:31:30 * Chocky seems to have upgraded from QTK to qtopia via opkg ok. hm Jul 12 13:31:36 Chocky: I guess I would consider things like "screen does not work" or "GSM modem ranomly fails because of bad soldering" to be problems... software can be fixed Jul 12 13:31:37 only thing is I have some duplicate apps Jul 12 13:31:45 <_newbie3> and some sim cards don't work etc. Jul 12 13:31:57 how buggy? does it crash alot? does it freeze ? Jul 12 13:32:05 yes Jul 12 13:32:12 "a lot" please Jul 12 13:32:18 lol Jul 12 13:32:31 oh yes, quality conversation here. Jul 12 13:32:45 damn ... not sure i should order :\ although i'd like to Jul 12 13:33:19 <_newbie3> i'd like to, too. But i fear it's not going to be nice. Jul 12 13:33:31 it's not ;-) Jul 12 13:33:36 spdr: wait a little while, it'll get better w/ age (like a fine wine, or expensive cheese) Jul 12 13:33:38 got mine last much. much work to do Jul 12 13:34:14 er Jul 12 13:34:17 s/much/night/ Jul 12 13:34:36 i saw u need to set it up worse than a gentoo box, but..how buggy is it really? is it really much of a pain in the ass? Jul 12 13:34:51 yes Jul 12 13:35:12 Has it hardware problems? Jul 12 13:35:12 if you are at all worried about a phone that doesn't work very well, you shouldn't buy this one Jul 12 13:35:22 spdr, it's not even useful as a basic phone Jul 12 13:35:25 davi: looks like the GPS might, yeah Jul 12 13:35:29 doh Jul 12 13:35:32 sitwon, for real? why? Jul 12 13:35:33 spdr, you should order. Jul 12 13:35:58 TAsn has shares with the company. Jul 12 13:36:04 but I think the coming batch will have the GPS problem solved, hopefully Jul 12 13:36:05 cjb, What about the warranty? Will the phone be replaced by one which works? Jul 12 13:36:06 spdr, because it's not guranteed to make/receive calls all the time or even connect to the cellular network Jul 12 13:36:13 sitwon, with that attitude you shouldn't buy anything since everything will get better. Jul 12 13:36:15 my freerunner doesn't return from suspend and ignores power button completely Jul 12 13:36:17 <_newbie3> and the gsm not accepting some sims might be close a hardware problem too. Jul 12 13:36:36 TAsn: yea, but I already have a FR ;-) I like broken things Jul 12 13:36:57 sitwon, same here. :) Jul 12 13:36:59 broken is fun but is it fixable? :P Jul 12 13:37:12 I got lucky, my FR worked w/ the first SIM I tried Jul 12 13:37:54 :\ Jul 12 13:38:08 <_newbie3> it's not like i have tons of sims laying around. If it doesn't work with the sim i have i can try to get a replacement but that's it... Jul 12 13:38:18 spdr, if you have $400 burning a hole in your pocket feel free to buy one, just don't get rid of your current phone yet Jul 12 13:38:33 I think if you need to ask at all, you shouldn't be getting one Jul 12 13:38:36 <_newbie3> spdr: you only really know if somethings fixable if you fixed it. Jul 12 13:38:46 lol @ Chocky Jul 12 13:38:46 but .. i want to get rid of my current phone :( Jul 12 13:38:57 <_newbie3> at least with hightech you don't know that much about. Jul 12 13:39:24 how do I get battery state on the command line? Jul 12 13:39:35 * Chocky stabs use of "lol" Jul 12 13:39:43 hehe Jul 12 13:39:56 spdr, you can probably get a heavily discounted smart phone for a fraction of the price and then get a FR when the software is more stable (or when the 3rd revison of the hardware is released) Jul 12 13:40:19 sitwon, any idea when that is? Jul 12 13:40:39 and does it really have problems as a phone as well? coz if i could use it as a phone that would be a good start :S Jul 12 13:40:41 I don't think anyone has set a date Jul 12 13:41:26 <_newbie3> dates are always just guesses and subject to change anyway. I predict it will take quite some time for the next major hardware revision. Jul 12 13:41:32 spdr: depends on the image Jul 12 13:41:33 spdr, it will probably be a stable phone by around th end of the year Jul 12 13:41:42 sitwon: wow, sooner Jul 12 13:41:45 It's already stable on FSO Jul 12 13:41:58 Only thing, right now, there's no real applications on FSO Jul 12 13:42:02 FSO = no software Jul 12 13:42:04 (e.g. contacts) Jul 12 13:42:10 lol, sux Jul 12 13:42:17 And if you want to know I've got no problems on 2007.2 right now Jul 12 13:42:35 what image are u using? FSO? Jul 12 13:44:08 2007.2 as I just said Jul 12 13:44:12 Ainulindale: I don't want to give a n00b too optimistic of a projection.... Jul 12 13:45:13 i dont have any problem messing around with it for a while, as long as i dont have to do so all the time (Besides updates) Jul 12 13:45:32 Ainulindale: on 2007.2 my battery runs dry in a few hours... less than 6 hour battery life is not good for a cell-phone Jul 12 13:45:42 4 sure Jul 12 13:46:27 I might be doing something wrong though, not really sure Jul 12 13:47:20 powersaving still needs lots of work Jul 12 13:47:40 Chocky have you tried the Qtopia image? Jul 12 13:48:11 I did an opkg update to pull it. running now Jul 12 13:48:20 the UI is immensly frustrating Jul 12 13:49:55 Chocky, use the commandline :) Jul 12 13:49:56 Well... mine's been unplugged since i got up this morning (7 hours ago), and i currently have four out of five bars :) Jul 12 13:49:57 I didn't like the UI much either, but it looked like it was more complete, or at least had a lot more software Jul 12 13:50:03 (using Qtopia) Jul 12 13:50:38 emilis_info: alas, yes Jul 12 13:50:42 the keyboard drove me nuts Jul 12 13:51:03 for example, I started a song in the media player, but couldn't control the volume nor even stop it Jul 12 13:51:09 sitwon, the keypad sucks, the small qwerty keyboard is even worse... Jul 12 13:51:10 :) Jul 12 13:51:15 there's no obvious way to kill apps from the UI Jul 12 13:51:20 some of the fonts are too big Jul 12 13:51:22 etc etc Jul 12 13:51:27 and I was unable to bring the keypad back since I installed the small qwery one Jul 12 13:52:48 can't make the browser do anything sane Jul 12 13:53:11 zoom-in / zoom-out buttons in browser would be enough... Jul 12 13:53:41 anyways Jul 12 13:53:44 I mean. there's shedloads of potential here, but it needs lots and lots of work Jul 12 13:54:00 anyone knows how to get battery status from command line? Jul 12 13:54:01 :) Jul 12 13:54:16 apm? Jul 12 13:54:33 * Chocky slaps use of APM in 2008 Jul 12 13:54:53 dcordes, wow, thanks Jul 12 13:54:57 cat /proc/apm Jul 12 13:55:01 probably the 100% bit Jul 12 13:55:33 the lack of man pages sucks a little bit also... Jul 12 13:57:13 hmm... I have -1% Jul 12 13:58:00 that's not much Jul 12 13:58:29 sitwon: that probably means 'unknown' as it's charging Jul 12 13:59:58 * Chocky still has a headache trying to figure out the various stacks Jul 12 14:00:33 yeah Jul 12 14:00:44 Interfaces aren't fun to read either Jul 12 14:00:45 :p Jul 12 14:01:43 I'm not sure which one I should be using for what will eventually become mainstream Jul 12 14:02:36 i think you should rule out the ETK stack, if that is you'r problem Jul 12 14:04:39 almost worse - I'm very much in a position to help; trying to figure out where to start :-( Jul 12 14:04:54 How are you gentlemen? Jul 12 14:05:00 dave, dave, dave. Jul 12 14:05:39 does anyone know if the nokia su-8w bluetooth keyboard can be successfully connected to the FR? (http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-0278352-SU8W-Wireless-Keyboard/dp/B000HLWPGO/) Jul 12 14:05:53 oh, and for final comedy, I accidentally unscrewed the laser pointer and the batteries fell out. turned out one of them was backwards, so was only 1/2 volatge. much brighter after that Jul 12 14:05:58 or is there any other "foldable" bt keyboard which can be used? Jul 12 14:06:17 :P Jul 12 14:06:25 Chocky :D Jul 12 14:06:30 Welcome to the world of Freerunners! Jul 12 14:06:33 now I just have to not blind myself Jul 12 14:06:34 huzzah! Jul 12 14:06:37 haha Jul 12 14:06:44 huzzah indeed. Jul 12 14:07:15 now I just need to collect the ~$3000 for the units downstairs. Jul 12 14:07:45 hehe Jul 12 14:07:54 Sounds like you'r having fun Jul 12 14:07:55 :) Jul 12 14:07:59 Dave: is opkg upgrade a recommended way to get qtopia ;-) Jul 12 14:08:06 +? Jul 12 14:08:19 to get qtopia? Jul 12 14:08:35 what I said Jul 12 14:08:49 sorry, I mean, opkg install the qtopia task Jul 12 14:08:51 No Jul 12 14:08:57 Flash qtopia Jul 12 14:09:01 whyso? Jul 12 14:09:05 I'm not quite sure what you're asking. Jul 12 14:09:18 If you want to use Qtopia, flash the qtopia image :) Jul 12 14:09:57 he wants to install qtopia task Jul 12 14:10:03 whatever that is Jul 12 14:10:06 pkg install task-openmoko-qtopia-x11 Jul 12 14:10:11 opkg install task-openmoko-qtopia-x11 Jul 12 14:10:14 ohhhhhhhhh Jul 12 14:10:21 is the result materially different from the image? Jul 12 14:10:30 apart from still having some GTK stuff I need to remove? Jul 12 14:10:35 cos that's what I did ;-) Jul 12 14:10:41 yes :p Jul 12 14:11:16 how is it different then, batman? Jul 12 14:11:44 preferably I'd put the qtopia on the sdcard or the other way around.. Jul 12 14:12:10 na na na na na Jul 12 14:12:11 so I'd be able to enjoy both qtopia goodness and gtk goodness ^_^ Jul 12 14:12:17 I'm not worried about swapping, etc, etc. my purpose here is understaind the nuts and bolts of how it all fits together. Jul 12 14:12:52 <- systems architect Jul 12 14:13:03 and long time embedded haxx0r. Jul 12 14:13:26 Chocky: I bow to your superior knowledge, master. ;) Jul 12 14:13:37 don't do that. At least, not just yet :p Jul 12 14:13:39 Chocky: I'm nothing but a humble wannabe ;) Jul 12 14:13:51 Chocky: yes master ^_^ Jul 12 14:14:15 The apprentice is becoming teh mastar? :O Jul 12 14:14:37 Dave: your l33t speek is improving, but still needs practice. Jul 12 14:14:48 Fuck that :) Jul 12 14:14:50 Dave: replace e with 3 ^_^ Jul 12 14:14:51 anyway, answer my question already Jul 12 14:15:03 Thanks for the suggestions though ^_^ Jul 12 14:16:19 anytime I see "rogers.com", I think "watch out, angry Canadian" Jul 12 14:17:21 Yes! :D Jul 12 14:17:24 * Dave high-fives Chocky Jul 12 14:20:13 pesky qtopia packages Jul 12 14:20:17 hm Jul 12 14:20:26 so you don't know the answer then? ;-) Jul 12 14:20:31 * Chocky will accept that. Jul 12 14:20:55 No, I have an unrelated issue. Jul 12 14:21:02 From the other day. Jul 12 14:21:23 It's a "please wait a week while we code this function, so stop your bitching" :) Jul 12 14:21:23 ok, gonna try FSU Jul 12 14:21:28 er Jul 12 14:21:29 FSO Jul 12 14:21:41 What were you using now? ASU? Qtopia? Jul 12 14:22:05 like I said. the default image with Qtopia opkged into it Jul 12 14:22:11 Ah Jul 12 14:22:15 GTK Jul 12 14:22:27 is the default image any good ? Jul 12 14:22:42 no ;-) Jul 12 14:22:47 it's pretty if you poke it a bit Jul 12 14:22:57 no suspend for sure .. right ? Jul 12 14:23:10 Chocky: how many hours can your battery last ? Jul 12 14:23:15 who knows Jul 12 14:23:18 it's been plugged in all night Jul 12 14:23:25 * Chocky is not the person to ask Jul 12 14:23:34 aren't you willing to test and see ? Jul 12 14:23:38 * Chocky hasn't even tried a call yet Jul 12 14:23:43 in good time I'll know. Jul 12 14:23:45 hehe Jul 12 14:23:51 good luck Jul 12 14:33:28 CVirus: I had my Neo in suspend overnight and it came back up with a good portion of the battery left Jul 12 14:34:25 wow Jul 12 14:34:31 how many hours was that and what image are you using ? Jul 12 14:35:02 reflashed with the daily GTK build, and about 9 hours of overnight time Jul 12 14:35:31 the GTK build can do suspend ?? Jul 12 14:35:54 i was testsing the GPS while sitting in the train and i got a fix after around 12-15 minutes with alot of sattelits connected around 10-20, ok sometimes it dropped down to 3 or 0 for a while bu it always reacquired them. Jul 12 14:35:58 every once in a while it won't come out of suspend, but it works for the most part Jul 12 14:36:16 HauDyr, was that with agps? Jul 12 14:36:39 with gpsd Jul 12 14:37:24 HauDyr, sorry for not knowing enough about it Jul 12 14:37:48 but was that with agps? i mean in the config? or agps needs another daemon? Jul 12 14:38:07 because with agps it's supposed to find it fast, real fast. Jul 12 14:38:28 but now i am sitting in my parents house and it have tried getting a signal for a hour with no luck :-) Jul 12 14:38:35 btw, sitting in a train isn't optimal for gps use, not even mentioning getting the first fix, so cool!!! :) Jul 12 14:38:47 TAsn, its with the standart config Jul 12 14:38:57 HauDyr, don't know about the standard :) Jul 12 14:39:01 well cool. Jul 12 14:41:54 TAsn, i was a little surprised when i got the fix in the train, but hopefully that shows that the biggest problem with the gps is the software not the hardware. Jul 12 14:42:16 i really hope that for all the other FR guys Jul 12 14:42:25 :) Jul 12 14:44:55 moo Jul 12 14:45:17 cluck Jul 12 14:51:39 what software dev packages are preinstalled? Jul 12 14:51:52 none Jul 12 14:52:41 how hard is it to get emacs or some text editor on there? Jul 12 14:52:57 dragonball_: it has busybox vi already Jul 12 14:52:57 vi is already on, emacs is available through opkg Jul 12 14:53:11 how about using perl? possible ? Jul 12 14:53:19 ok. good enough. Jul 12 14:53:44 perl can be installed Jul 12 14:54:13 currently it has support for tri-band, any quad-band phone available? Jul 12 14:55:27 dragonball_: the firmware doesn't support quad-band Jul 12 14:56:15 it's possible to flash the firmware in the future to support quad-band or need to buy new phone? Jul 12 14:56:30 HauDyr: There's no GPS software (=firmware) that's making problems - sadly it is the hardware that's responsible Jul 12 14:57:13 dragonball_: I think I read on the Wiki that quad-band will not be possible on this hardware Jul 12 14:57:14 sitwon: it's a hardware issue too - the TI Calypso needs extra external components for quad-band Jul 12 14:57:45 yea, what he said Jul 12 15:00:29 abraxa_, hmm ok Jul 12 15:01:28 mmontour: and tri-band Jul 12 15:01:36 mmontour: it just requires a different design. Jul 12 15:03:11 hi Jul 12 15:03:12 I thought that it had only 3 inputs for external filter networks, and quad-band needed an external mux switch. Anyway, whatever it was required too big of a PCB layout change to be done for GTA02 Jul 12 15:05:34 Quad-band is quite possible - it'd just have required a more complex and rather different RF design. When it was known that GTA01 design actually worked, and diddn't require any debugging. Jul 12 15:05:54 I may be wrong. I thought it already had an external 3 way mux. Jul 12 15:28:02 kids Jul 12 15:43:04 hm, flashing so slow Jul 12 15:47:22 Hi there Jul 12 15:47:34 Are there docs on the DBus API for the contact list? Jul 12 15:48:03 I did the import from SIM with the Python script linked to from the wiki, but now I'd like to fiddle with the results. Jul 12 15:55:17 maybe I'm just oily, but my screen gets dirty real easy Jul 12 15:58:42 hello to all Jul 12 16:00:13 does anyone have the same trouble with th gps connection like the person who posted about it on the wiki? Jul 12 16:00:36 yeah Jul 12 16:00:40 not tried hard though Jul 12 16:00:51 What would that be? Jul 12 16:01:02 doesn't work ;-) Jul 12 16:01:11 I got my Freerunner today, haven't managed to get a GPS fix yet, but haven't tried very hard either. Jul 12 16:01:44 Blalien: me too Jul 12 16:02:00 Blalien: very weak reception Jul 12 16:02:12 Lo-lan-do: GPS Antenna CON(CON7601),there are bad soldering issues with the PIN. Jul 12 16:02:53 edistar: I don't have one yet, but that's a huge manufacturing default in my opinion Jul 12 16:03:15 Depends on the yield. Jul 12 16:03:15 Blalien: of course, yes Jul 12 16:03:24 If it's 99% or 50% Jul 12 16:03:37 SpeedEvil: looks like at least 20% Jul 12 16:03:48 edistar: based on? Jul 12 16:04:03 SpeedEvil: speculation ;) but many people are complaining Jul 12 16:04:05 SpeedEvil: Ok, I was concidering on buying an external antenna to connect to the Phone. Would this help? Jul 12 16:04:16 * SpeedEvil watches the statistical significance ninjas comme for edistar. Jul 12 16:04:21 blat78: yes. Jul 12 16:04:25 blal: Jul 12 16:04:30 SpeedEvil: lD Jul 12 16:04:38 :D same tab problem? Jul 12 16:04:58 but the right solution is to get it repaired. Jul 12 16:05:04 edistar: no - typo Jul 12 16:05:21 yes. need to get a fine point for soldering iron though Jul 12 16:05:32 assuming mine doesn't work - haven't tried yet Jul 12 16:05:55 At $90, the debug kit should really have a soldering station in it. Jul 12 16:06:08 :p Jul 12 16:06:37 ok, have flashed latest qtopia. the result is a bit more sensible than before Jul 12 16:08:21 SpeedEvil: hmmm but soldering will void the warranty. And that's the same reason why I didn't ordert the debug board Jul 12 16:08:26 Where "latest" is how new? :) Jul 12 16:08:32 today Jul 12 16:08:39 snapshot wotsit Jul 12 16:08:40 can it suspend ? Jul 12 16:08:45 who knows ;-) Jul 12 16:09:01 Well, my one from a couple of days ago does suspend :) Jul 12 16:09:08 nice: dhclient.c(2050): null pointer Jul 12 16:09:17 how much can the battery stay alive with suspend enabled ? Jul 12 16:09:20 Blalien: yeah - I'd wait for a statement. Assuming you're not close to the expiration of the warranty. Jul 12 16:09:40 CVirus: A long time - mine's been off charge since this morning (9 hours ago), let's see... Jul 12 16:09:49 3 of 5 bars :) Jul 12 16:09:53 well, wifi works :p Jul 12 16:10:02 if I configure from command line Jul 12 16:11:10 this is the bug someone said yesterday. power button suspends, but then if you press again, it fades in, then fades right out Jul 12 16:11:30 I think. hm, touch the screen and it comes back ok Jul 12 16:11:47 Chocky: qtopia? Jul 12 16:12:03 aye Jul 12 16:12:10 I had that same issue when I tried Qtopia yesterday Jul 12 16:12:17 makes sense, but it's just non intuitive Jul 12 16:12:36 I don't even think it makes sense :P Jul 12 16:12:48 heh Jul 12 16:13:48 SpeedEvil: And could it be a first batch manufacturing problem? And I sure will be waiting for a statement. Jul 12 16:14:24 It may be that they'd rather let users try to repair it, and cover any damage, ratehr than take the hits in returns. Jul 12 16:15:21 * Chocky wonders how the moo the browser works Jul 12 16:15:27 if a minor resoldering does fix the problem, this really isn't that big a deal Jul 12 16:19:17 hm, speakers are loud Jul 12 16:19:29 but the qtopia media player is a lot better than the GTK one Jul 12 16:19:33 *refresh* Aww, still in San Pablo Jul 12 16:19:37 cool Jul 12 16:20:23 hm, shrek mpeg doesn't want to play Jul 12 16:21:04 Chocky: on OM? Jul 12 16:21:13 aye Jul 12 16:21:26 why not? what does it say? Jul 12 16:21:29 i just spent 10 minutes wandering around a cemetary with agpsui running and all i got were 600 bad fixes... anyone have any suggestions of things i might be doing wrong before i assume i have bad hardware? Jul 12 16:21:31 retracile: http://xkcd.com/281/ Jul 12 16:21:34 it's just blank Jul 12 16:21:45 and I got two media player icons on the lanucher for bonus points Jul 12 16:21:52 edistar: Yep. It's even in the topic. ;) Jul 12 16:22:11 retracile: ok, missed that :P Jul 12 16:24:48 I hope I will be getting my Freerunner soon. I already have some accessories like the diNovo Mini, Sennheiser VMX-100 and 8GB micro SDCH ultra. Jul 12 16:25:10 accessories before main device. good idea. Jul 12 16:27:19 I'll be pleased to have my Invishield in my hand before the Freerunner arrives. Jul 12 16:27:53 ironically, my invisibleshield shipped before my FR, but I got the FR first, and I'm still waiting on the IS Jul 12 16:28:14 lol Jul 12 16:28:38 the invisibleshield is supposed to arrive in like 4 - 7 days, isn't it? Jul 12 16:28:47 I assume Jul 12 16:29:35 hi Jul 12 16:30:22 Stroller: Which type did you order? Jul 12 16:30:39 The full one Jul 12 16:30:47 same here Jul 12 16:30:50 I'm not sure in retrospect that this was necessary Jul 12 16:31:00 how many people are having gps problems I wonder Jul 12 16:31:04 I think I read afterwards that the Freerunner has a rubberised case? Jul 12 16:31:11 somewhat Jul 12 16:31:36 at least one gps problem in our order of 12; at least 2 phones untested so far Jul 12 16:31:47 hmmm Jul 12 16:31:57 well iguess i have gps problems too Jul 12 16:32:06 mjr: and if one does not solder then whats one to do? Jul 12 16:32:18 not that I have my FR yet Jul 12 16:32:21 well, having ordered from pulster, I sent mail to him Jul 12 16:32:32 asking how the warranty issues are handled Jul 12 16:32:50 pulster? Jul 12 16:32:59 pulster.de, an EU reseller Jul 12 16:33:01 ah Jul 12 16:33:03 ok Jul 12 16:33:17 mjr: Pulster.de is the worst reseller in my opinion. Jul 12 16:33:58 aw Jul 12 16:34:07 They never answered my mail and the didn't read the previous one and cancelled one of my orders. Jul 12 16:34:56 pulster's really fine here Jul 12 16:34:56 the onscreen keyboard is messed up in qtopia Jul 12 16:34:59 you get 3 of them Jul 12 16:36:32 Tanuva: I'm glad you are ;). But they should read there mail more often. I'm happy with Golden Delicious Compupters. Jul 12 16:38:18 Hi all Jul 12 16:39:05 Is someone french? Jul 12 16:40:32 Do any of the distributors have stock? Jul 12 16:40:50 CorrAn62: I am Jul 12 16:43:09 SpeedEvil: country? Jul 12 16:47:30 I was wondering if any do. Jul 12 16:47:36 For the topic - as the shop doesn't Jul 12 16:48:07 might in a week or 2 Jul 12 16:48:09 Ah! Jul 12 16:48:10 koolu.com claimed to have stock yesterday Jul 12 16:48:28 I have the notion that Truebox & Pulster are both on back-order Jul 12 16:50:28 is there a way to read the serial number by software? Serial on the CPU is just 0000.. Jul 12 16:50:35 .. Jul 12 16:50:43 CPUs generally don't have serial numbers Jul 12 16:52:07 ok, but still.. is there a way to read the serial number by software? Jul 12 16:52:29 No Jul 12 16:53:29 effbiai: there was once an initiative t tag all cpu's and use that number for secure online processing. aka ... privacy concerns Jul 12 16:53:38 effbiai: thankfully that went away Jul 12 16:53:53 any serial numbers on the system will be read via some I2C bus or similar Jul 12 16:55:04 effbiai: why do you need it? Jul 12 16:55:06 Manufacturing costs increase dramatically if you need a serial number per-board, and have to make it meaningful (i.e. impossible to over-write using jtag or other technology) Jul 12 16:55:21 anyway, just read the sticker under the battery :p Jul 12 16:56:03 goodwill: to restrict all but accepted phones to a server. yes i know there's other ways.. but this would be the most conivient Jul 12 16:56:30 you might be better off with MAC address Jul 12 16:56:49 yep, but it is clonable and changable Jul 12 16:56:53 or IMEI? Jul 12 16:56:57 as are most things Jul 12 16:57:00 hmm IMEI, thax! Jul 12 16:57:12 effbiai: Think of the phone as an ordinary PC running Linux -- it's no more secure than one of those (i.e. MAC address is a hint, but can be overridden) -- you'll need the same technology to secure the phone as you would any other PC. (keys, etc) Jul 12 16:57:30 IMEI is easily faked too. Jul 12 16:57:48 hmm.. might be. but it's a start :) Jul 12 16:57:51 thanks for the info Jul 12 16:58:44 (I can write a patch in a matter of an hour or two that would make the serial driver substitute any IMEI I wanted when reading it back from the GSM; that kernel can be reflashed onto the device by any user.) You really need to consider some form of key exchange. Jul 12 16:59:41 wget with https :p Jul 12 17:01:15 MicroSD is secure Jul 12 17:01:23 if you implement the secure digital part Jul 12 17:01:37 AIUI. Jul 12 17:03:37 So, if the unique number is intended to identify perpetrators of online fraud, all we need to do is legislate mandatory registration of SD card sales Jul 12 17:03:46 Win! Jul 12 17:04:17 Stroller: right until your card get stollen or someone figures out how to spoof it Jul 12 17:04:26 Stroller: VM's come to mind Jul 12 17:04:41 s/VM's/VM's Jul 12 17:04:45 s/VM's/VMs Jul 12 17:04:59 arrggghh Jul 12 17:05:51 heh, motor jumps a bit when you turn FR on Jul 12 17:05:57 * effbiai solaces goodwill Jul 12 17:06:10 * Chocky slices goodwill Jul 12 17:06:12 Chocky: yep, i've noticed is aswell Jul 12 17:06:21 s/is/it Jul 12 17:06:43 goodwill: hey, it was SpeedEvil who said it was secure Jul 12 17:06:56 I was only giving the politicians' response. Jul 12 17:07:12 As I understand it, SD has some cryptographic stuff on it that's rarely used. Jul 12 17:07:44 And a serial number that can't easily be spoofed. Jul 12 17:08:28 * Chocky tries to make a call :-( Jul 12 17:09:48 motor ? Jul 12 17:09:54 motor Jul 12 17:10:12 is there another terminal application that can be installed using opkg ? Jul 12 17:14:06 hm, no gsmd in qtopia image :o Jul 12 17:14:16 Thank goodness for that too Jul 12 17:14:29 whyso? Jul 12 17:14:50 CVirus: yes, There's a motor Connected to: S3C2442 GPIO - tho i don't know how to "play" with it.. anyone know? Jul 12 17:15:14 gsmd was originally written as a test program to test communications with the GSM. It was, according to the author entirely unsuited for anything else. Jul 12 17:15:28 so what does qtopia use? Jul 12 17:15:45 effbiai: probably the vibrator -- it appears as an "LED" from the user-space perspective. Jul 12 17:16:18 mwester: yes, i've figured out it is the vibrator.. but how to "play" with it? Jul 12 17:17:28 and more to the point, why can't I make a call? Jul 12 17:17:41 Chocky: ask lpotter, he's one of the qtopia.net devs Jul 12 17:17:44 Chocky: qtopia uses its internal phone/gsm library to connect to the modem, hence no gsmd Jul 12 17:18:25 calling in asu/qtopia works fine here Jul 12 17:18:29 as is gprs :) Jul 12 17:18:30 Chocky: calling worked with my qtopia.net image.. tho i had to fix the mic and speaker Jul 12 17:18:32 effbiai: echo 1 > foo Jul 12 17:19:20 Chocky: speaker and mic aint working on qtopia.net image. how to fix: ln -s /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios /etc/alsa - then reboot. done =) Jul 12 17:19:34 woks now Jul 12 17:19:50 no idea why it didn't first time Jul 12 17:19:56 speaker + mic aswell? Jul 12 17:20:06 well, my wife heard me :p Jul 12 17:20:08 (witout the link i just described)? Jul 12 17:20:11 aye Jul 12 17:20:12 hmmm Jul 12 17:20:17 maybe they fixed it. i did report it Jul 12 17:20:22 snapshot I got from a few hours ago Jul 12 17:20:26 roger Jul 12 17:20:46 bravo Jul 12 17:20:49 that's after I reported it. maybe they updated it :) Jul 12 17:21:05 I've created a "Freerunner Hardware Issues" page on the wiki to summarize some of the issues like GPS and audio quality. Can some people please take a look and see if there are any errors in what I've said? Jul 12 17:21:13 ok, will try gps again Jul 12 17:22:01 actually, I do know why I might not have been able to make a call. reception in this condo with T-Mobile is really bad. Jul 12 17:22:18 ah :) Jul 12 17:22:47 Chocky: i haven't tested gps on qtopia.net image. please let me know how it works :) Jul 12 17:22:47 but no feedback of reception, AFAICT. the tiny bars I think are WiFi Jul 12 17:23:39 and the two media player icons are annoying. I can delete one, but if I install something else, it comes back Jul 12 17:24:25 heh, probably you should continue the feedback on #qtopia? ;) Jul 12 17:24:44 heh, run openmoko apps on my Desktop with Xnest :p Jul 12 17:26:14 afternoon chocko Jul 12 17:28:37 SpeedEvil: but where is the device? /dev/..? Jul 12 17:29:36 hda1? Jul 12 17:29:44 no? Jul 12 17:29:53 effbiai: the vibrator? Jul 12 17:29:54 vibrator Jul 12 17:29:56 yes Jul 12 17:30:03 what kind is the external GPS antenna connector on the Freerunner, MCX, MMCX, SMA... ? Jul 12 17:30:08 I think it's something brightness Jul 12 17:30:17 find /sys -name brightness Jul 12 17:30:34 * effbiai miss locate :> Jul 12 17:30:37 I'm haven't been able to get any satellite fixes with the internal antenna... Jul 12 17:30:42 hm Jul 12 17:30:47 /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-vibrator.0/leds/neo1973:vibrator/brightness Jul 12 17:30:49 vpv: common alas Jul 12 17:30:50 :> Jul 12 17:31:00 I think GPS is too much pain until we have a definite statement. Jul 12 17:31:14 It's the sort with a little barrel and a ring on it Jul 12 17:31:44 * SpeedEvil checks. Jul 12 17:32:46 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8859 Jul 12 17:32:48 that Jul 12 17:34:04 SpeedEvil: thanks, seems like that's an MMCX Jul 12 17:34:14 hmm, wasn't at least consistently broken after all, that device I said was :] Jul 12 17:34:48 vpv: or at least, that plugs into my phone. Jul 12 17:35:31 (neo) Jul 12 17:37:25 lol they sell gps jammers, how paranoid? Jul 12 17:37:30 Indeed. Jul 12 17:37:40 vpv: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware (and yes its a MMCX , bought one 3 days ago) Jul 12 17:37:51 And other essentials for the paranoid. http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.14218 Jul 12 17:38:06 what's an MMCX ? Jul 12 17:38:31 cv": the GPS connector Jul 12 17:38:33 little antenna connector that connects laptop wifi devices to their antenna's Jul 12 17:38:35 CVirus: the name of the connecter for the gps antena (external) Jul 12 17:38:41 ah ok Jul 12 17:38:52 its really tiny Jul 12 17:39:03 One-Step HCG Urine Pregnancy Test Papers (10-Pack) Jul 12 17:39:05 wtf Jul 12 17:39:11 ROFL Jul 12 17:43:18 I don't suppose anyone can recommend a case with a transparent screen area that would fit the FreeRunner? Jul 12 17:45:16 lol, this got just posted on htc-linux: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1822437 - just wanted to share :) hilarious Jul 12 17:46:46 ok, so here my status on GPS: Jul 12 17:47:02 cold start: like 10 minutes for a fix Jul 12 17:47:18 agps data feeded immediately after start: fix in 1 minute or less Jul 12 17:47:44 with over 8 satellites Jul 12 17:48:08 dang Jul 12 17:48:09 * mjr gets fixes in ~2-5 min in a somewhat suboptimal area (tall buildings, but a reasonable area of sky visible) Jul 12 17:48:26 maybe 3-5 to be less optimistic Jul 12 17:48:29 and don't use openmoko-agpsui for testing GPS with AGPS data feeded Jul 12 17:48:47 because the application resets the GPS before doing anything Jul 12 17:48:59 so the agps data is deleted again, hence no improvement Jul 12 17:49:20 while if you feed agps data and just use tangogps for instance, it works pretty quick Jul 12 17:49:36 between 2 tall buildings, btw Jul 12 17:50:20 i'm quite happy with these results Jul 12 17:50:38 especially as i can feed agps data easily over gprs Jul 12 17:52:07 Thanks DocCod. Good info. Jul 12 17:52:25 Anyone got a link to a review with pix of final shipped device? Jul 12 17:53:16 gemlog: like this? http://www.snmoore.net/openmoko/pictures/freerunner/ Jul 12 17:53:25 Thanks! Jul 12 17:53:40 btw, i am using the app from here to get and feed the agps data: http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/matt_hsu/agps-online/ Jul 12 17:53:57 Elleo: I wonder if iphone case would work Jul 12 17:55:09 SpeedEvil: that would be so cool :> Jul 12 17:55:17 an open "iphone"! :P Jul 12 17:55:35 effbiai: looking more for application screenshots. i shud have been clearer. good product shots there though. Jul 12 17:55:42 Hi. I’m now a happy owner of a freerunner and flashed the current 2007.2 image. Can I now continue to keep the software up to date with opkg, or will that not catch all improvements? Jul 12 17:57:04 gemlog: i'm using qtopia.net image. witch is not the OS it comes with.. tho, i could take some photos for ya. if you want more openmoko specsified images or "rewievs". check out youtube Jul 12 17:57:16 SpeedEvil: yeah, I've been looking at a few HTC cases as well; problem is that most of the ones with visible screens seem to be quite precisely made and the freerunner is a bit large than most others Jul 12 17:57:51 Yeah Jul 12 17:57:59 effbiai: clicked through those already. I'll just lurk here longer to find out how smooth things are going with funcionality and apps. thx Jul 12 17:58:28 SpeedEvil + Elleo: this seems like a project i could check out next time i go to china :) Jul 12 17:59:22 got some contacts in a few fake-factorys there :> Jul 12 17:59:55 gemlog: roger that, happy googling :) Jul 12 18:00:32 speaking of bloody rogers, I'm going to pop down there and see what they'll soak me for a sim and plan... Jul 12 18:02:48 Where can I best see the changes done to the software, i.e. new uploaded packages and their changelog? Jul 12 18:04:32 svn i guess Jul 12 18:05:09 effbiai: is there a websvn access or something? Jul 12 18:05:54 nomeata: sounds like a job for google.. "I'm feeling lucky" woosh: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_svn Jul 12 18:06:21 hehe, searching for svn inside the wiki gives no results... Jul 12 18:06:23 thx Jul 12 18:06:26 so why is opkg update broke? Jul 12 18:06:57 cuz it don't got any money "haha" :P Jul 12 18:07:11 * Chocky beats eff senseless Jul 12 18:07:15 hehe Jul 12 18:07:21 but then, I found svn.openmoko.org, but it does not display the changes Jul 12 18:07:39 nomeata: to bad Jul 12 18:07:58 maybe the trac then? Jul 12 18:08:15 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/roadmap Jul 12 18:08:47 ah, should have thought of that :-) Jul 12 18:08:54 or another job done by google: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ChangeLog maybe? Jul 12 18:09:01 there's also the 'commitlog' mailing list Jul 12 18:13:43 and, if I may continue to ask beginners questions, how are the opkg packages built? automatically from svn, or manually and then uploaded? Jul 12 18:20:38 openmoko sdk Jul 12 18:25:21 hi there Jul 12 18:25:24 hi Jul 12 18:25:26 hi Jul 12 18:25:26 hi Jul 12 18:25:27 what do you want Jul 12 18:25:37 i have a problem booting from sd card Jul 12 18:25:40 Rogers wants 50$ usd/cad for a SIM is that in the ballpark? Jul 12 18:25:46 used the wiki for that Jul 12 18:26:08 used the wiki to generate the problem? :P Jul 12 18:26:37 If people corrected the wiki it would no longer generate problems Jul 12 18:26:46 i have a boot entry "boot from sd (fat+ext2)" Jul 12 18:27:02 okay, tell me the truth;-) Jul 12 18:27:07 how do you mute your freerunner? There is no UI for it yet, right? Jul 12 18:27:16 nomeata: earplugs Jul 12 18:27:22 heh Jul 12 18:27:34 gemlog: seems expensive. Jul 12 18:27:38 i need to stroller: whats wrong with the wiki? Jul 12 18:28:08 cjb: wouldn't suprise me coming from Rogers Jul 12 18:28:14 Oh, sorry, malik1972, I have no idea Jul 12 18:28:37 But I have read other people saying they followed the wiki and then later resolving their problems Jul 12 18:28:46 gemlog: do you have Fido in your area? You might get a better deal there. Jul 12 18:28:53 malik1972: I'm pretty sure this has been covered on the mailing-lists Jul 12 18:28:55 there is not dir called /mnt/moko for my rootfs Jul 12 18:29:00 -community or device-owners Jul 12 18:29:12 stroller: okay, will have a look at that Jul 12 18:29:43 might somebody with an installed crosscompiler toolchain compile http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/ for me for a 3g stick experiment ;) Jul 12 18:30:08 mmontour: not sure. rogers is new here. they only have one ant on one building downtown... Thot fido/rogers were the same company. Jul 12 18:31:17 Fido is now owned by Rogers, but they still operate as a somewhat-independent company (different phones, plans, etc) Jul 12 18:31:31 there is no relevant boot entry for the last 3 months Jul 12 18:32:56 mmontour: then I guess I don't. only that one retailer in my town for rogers. also, telus and bell are both cdma only, so it's rogers or nothing then. Jul 12 18:33:43 too bad. You might consider buying a cheap pre-paid phone - that will give you a SIM and also a backup phone in case you have problems with your Freerunner. Jul 12 18:33:51 okay, i found it Jul 12 18:34:35 * cjb has a $10 pay as you go AT&T phone Jul 12 18:35:00 I'd say a backup phone is absolutely nessecary Jul 12 18:35:09 mmontour: thx I'll price that out next. I'm in northern canada, so options are a bit limited. Jul 12 18:35:10 do microSDHC cards work? or just SD Jul 12 18:35:17 kd8ikt, hc works Jul 12 18:35:21 kd8ikt:SD won't fit Jul 12 18:35:27 microsd Jul 12 18:35:34 :P Jul 12 18:36:03 imho the sd card is a little too buried inside the phone, accessing it could be easier... Jul 12 18:36:23 i need to buy one of those 8gb new ones Jul 12 18:36:36 microsd cards are cheap Jul 12 18:37:01 ohh man Jul 12 18:37:11 gemlog: how far north? www.icewireless.ca might also be an option. Jul 12 18:39:08 Not *quite* that far :-) near the tip of the panhandle. Jul 12 18:39:48 well, guess you have no choice but to get Rogered :( Jul 12 18:40:29 I got brochures when I went to check out the SIM cost. Looks nasty. I can see what the iphone ppl are whinging about. Jul 12 18:53:44 nobody from the new freerunner owners booting from sd? Jul 12 18:54:34 montour: you're down on the island? on rogers or... Jul 12 18:54:40 We're all busy grumbling aobut GPS. Jul 12 18:55:07 i would also but i cant Jul 12 18:55:41 first i have to run om from sd, qtopia 4.x is on nand Jul 12 18:56:05 mmontour: I meant Jul 12 18:57:34 When I have issues with 2007.2 software (here, Messages), should I still file bugs or is 2007.2 obsolete anyways? Jul 12 18:58:28 where i can see the "NAND boot environment settings" Jul 12 18:58:35 nomeata: file away Jul 12 18:58:43 nomeata: the community is hopefully picking up .2 Jul 12 18:59:04 mwester: ping? Jul 12 18:59:12 mwester: any ideas why this is happening with mokomakefile? http://pastie.org/private/cb7wok0wuhwjtdu4vngrq Jul 12 19:00:09 gemlog: I'm in Vancouver, on a Fido Prepaid plan Jul 12 19:01:07 Ah, just hit you checking the 850 on the Island on the wiki. coincidence :-) Jul 12 19:01:21 strange, for some reason I can not use trac’s “custom query” to list all bugs with component "openmoko-messages". any idea why? Jul 12 19:01:29 I have family near Duncan Jul 12 19:01:47 you guys sound a bit like hams in those posts. Jul 12 19:03:39 ferric: Is that still not fixed?? Jul 12 19:05:11 hmm. shoudn’t the message component sort the contacts (acting as folders, if I see it correctly), putting folders with unread messages on top? Jul 12 19:05:20 If you haven't synced in the past week or two, try updating. Jul 12 19:05:41 The freerunner says I have one unread message, but I can not find it (and I have a lot of contacts, because I copied the addressbook from my evolution on my regular pc) Jul 12 19:18:34 can someone help concerning booting from sd? Jul 12 19:21:58 mwester: i ran a make update first Jul 12 19:22:07 mwester: with a brand new mokomakefile? Jul 12 19:22:20 mwester: should i clean the whole damn thing out and reup? Jul 12 19:22:23 malik1972: I don't have a Freerunner but I might be able to help. What's the problem? Jul 12 19:22:39 ferric: Ok, then it's still busted. Jul 12 19:22:50 Cleaning won't help. Jul 12 19:22:57 mwester: weird. it's in OE? Jul 12 19:23:00 mmontour: thanx, here we go Jul 12 19:23:19 Yeah, I reported it, and mickey said it was fixed, but I think he may have misunderstood the problem. Jul 12 19:23:44 mwester: hm. Jul 12 19:23:45 mmontour: the uboot menue for the shipped freerunner has an entry for booting from sd (fat+ext2) Jul 12 19:23:56 You need to copy the correct file into place. Jul 12 19:24:03 mmontour: i used http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card Jul 12 19:24:10 hi Jul 12 19:25:05 mwester: which file is that? Jul 12 19:25:05 mmontour: but i still get an error like "unable ro read uimage.bin from mmc 1:1" Jul 12 19:25:42 mmontour: wrong image format for bootm command Jul 12 19:26:04 mmontour: found this http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/device-owners/2008-July/001755.html Jul 12 19:26:15 mmontour: but it did not helped Jul 12 19:27:12 * mmontour reads... Jul 12 19:28:08 * mmontour grumbles that the devs evidently didn't apply the 1-line patch that removes the need for the fat/ext2 split... Jul 12 19:29:21 mmontour: i have 2 partitions fat+ext3 as sugessted in the thread above Jul 12 19:29:33 ferric: find the "generate-constants" executable in your tmp/work/i686-linux/ tree, and copy it to tmp//staging/i686-linux/usr/bin/gobject-generate-constants Jul 12 19:29:53 Then restart the build. Jul 12 19:29:54 One of the issues seems to be whether you are booting with the NOR or the NAND version of u-boot Jul 12 19:30:28 mmontour: tried both Jul 12 19:31:02 Can you boot from the NAND one and then connect to the u-boot console? (USB console, /dev/ttyACM0 on the Linux side) Jul 12 19:32:28 mmontour: how this works Jul 12 19:32:43 mmontour: nand boot menue and then? Jul 12 19:33:24 On the Linux side, run a terminal program e.g. "screen /dev/ttyACM0 115200" (or use minicom, cu, etc) Jul 12 19:33:24 mmontour: while in boot menue i cannot ssh to the freerunner Jul 12 19:33:50 u-boot uses a serial-device emulation rather than ethernet Jul 12 19:34:32 The "Bootloader" wiki page has more information Jul 12 19:34:36 mmontour: i wrote the 1-liner on the desktop side Jul 12 19:34:54 got 02v5 # DEVICE_CONFIGURED: 1 Jul 12 19:35:29 setting console to usb doesnt work, he returns to the menue Jul 12 19:36:38 The window where you see the "DEVICE_CONFIGURED:" should now be a terminal session to u-boot. Enter "help" and you should see a list of commands Jul 12 19:37:36 mmontour: thanx for pointing me to the difference between nand and nor, up to date i was using nor:-) Jul 12 19:38:13 mmontour: nand menue has several menue entries twice, something went wrong using the advices in the thread Jul 12 19:39:17 you can clean up the menu items later - they are defined by environment variables. The "printenv" command will show you all of the environment variables so you can see exactly what each menu item does Jul 12 19:39:28 i tried entering the coordinates from my gps into a gps coordinat converter that uses goolge maps it was right on the spot within 5m Jul 12 19:41:04 mmontour: whats next? Jul 12 19:41:24 malik1972: type "mmcinit". You should see some messages about detecting your SD card Jul 12 19:41:31 mmontour: menue_4 and 5 are obsolete Jul 12 19:41:52 okay Jul 12 19:42:12 nothing about partitions Jul 12 19:42:32 I'm back to trying to compile things after a long hiatus, and I'm a bit lost with the three branches (since there are still >4000 unread messages on my community list folder). Which one should I use if I need a working terminal (which can type things like / )? Jul 12 19:43:28 my printenv is long Jul 12 19:43:33 post it here? Jul 12 19:43:36 boot_menu_timeout=300 Jul 12 19:43:40 bootargs_base=rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 console=ttySAC2,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=8 regular_boot Jul 12 19:43:44 bootcmd=setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} ${mtdparts}; nand read.e 0x32000000 kernel 0x200000; bootm 0x32000000 Jul 12 19:43:48 bootdelay=1 Jul 12 19:43:52 use pastebin.ca, not directly into irc Jul 12 19:43:52 menu_1=Boot from microSD (FAT+ext2): setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 ${mtdparts} ro; mmcinit; fatload mmc 1 0x32000000 ${sd_image_name}; bootm 0x32000000 Jul 12 19:43:56 menu_2=Set console to USB: setenv stdin usbtty; setenv stdout usbtty; setenv stderr usbtty Jul 12 19:44:00 menu_3=Set console to serial: setenv stdin serial; setenv stdout serial; setenv stderr serial Jul 12 19:44:12 menu_4=Set console to USB: setenv stdin usbtty; setenv stdout usbtty; setenv stderr usbtty Jul 12 19:44:16 menu_5=Set console to serial: setenv stdin serial; setenv stdout serial; setenv stderr serial Jul 12 19:44:20 menu_6=Reboot: reset Jul 12 19:44:24 menu_8=Power off: neo1973 power-off Jul 12 19:44:28 mtdids=nor0=physmap-flash,nand0=neo1973-nand Jul 12 19:44:32 mtdparts=mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x00040000(u-boot),0x00040000(u-boot_env),0x00800000(kernel),0x000a0000(splash),0x00040000(factory),0x0f6a0000(rootfs) Jul 12 19:44:36 quiet=1 Jul 12 19:44:40 sd_image_name=uImage.bin Jul 12 19:44:44 splashimage=nand read.e 0x32000000 splash 0x5000; unzip 0x32000000 0x8800000 0x96000 Jul 12 19:44:48 stderr=usbtty Jul 12 19:44:52 stdin=usbtty Jul 12 19:44:56 stdout=usbtty Jul 12 19:45:00 usbtty=cdc_acm Jul 12 19:45:04 partition=nor0,0 Jul 12 19:45:16 mtddevnum=0 Jul 12 19:45:20 mtddevname=nor Jul 12 19:45:24 pcb_rev=0x000 Jul 12 19:45:28 pcf50633_int1=0x80 Jul 12 19:45:32 pcf50633_int2=0x02 Jul 12 19:45:33 ~pastebin Jul 12 19:45:34 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste Jul 12 19:45:36 sorry Jul 12 19:45:39 :) Jul 12 19:45:40 pastebin.ca Jul 12 19:45:41 ahh Jul 12 19:45:41 okay Jul 12 19:45:41 got it Jul 12 19:45:41 http://pastebin.ca/1070291 Jul 12 19:46:08 apt: thanx and sorry, will use it Jul 12 19:46:08 malik1972: no problem Jul 12 19:46:30 apt is a bot, BTW Jul 12 19:46:39 ~beer malik1972 Jul 12 19:46:40 what? Jul 12 19:46:40 * apt pours a pint of Dogfishhead 90min IPA for malik1972 Jul 12 19:47:03 hehe Jul 12 19:47:07 cool Jul 12 19:47:14 nevertheless Jul 12 19:47:17 try "fatls mmc 1" Jul 12 19:48:06 it says "44032 qtopia_db.sqlite" Jul 12 19:48:24 thats the file on the fat partition Jul 12 19:48:43 rootfstype=ext2 is not correct Jul 12 19:48:46 For SD-booting the kernel (uImage.bin) should also be on that partition Jul 12 19:48:56 really? Jul 12 19:50:01 how i can remove a menue entry? Jul 12 19:50:06 yes - look at the "fatload" command in the "boot from microSC" menu item Jul 12 19:50:49 To remove an environment variable, "setenv name" with no value specified (e.g. "setenv menu_6" to clear that item). Then do a "saveenv" before rebooting Jul 12 19:52:45 he should load the kernel from /boot/image of the second partition Jul 12 19:53:51 No, "fatload mmc 1 0x32000000 ${sd_image_name}" says to load from a FAT filesystem on the first partition of the MMC device. Jul 12 19:53:53 setenv 'bootargs ${bootargs_base} rootfstype=ext3 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 ${mtdparts} ro; mmcinit; fatload mmc 2 0x32000000 ${sd_image_name}; bootm 0x32000000' Jul 12 19:54:37 mmontour: this is a little bit confusing and not logical Jul 12 19:55:14 To specify the 2nd partition use "1:2" (device 1 partition 2) rather than "2". But that's not what you want to do. Jul 12 19:55:14 i guess the problem is the correct adress Jul 12 19:55:41 You have to load the kernel from the FAT partition due to a bug in u-boot that crashes when trying to access an ext2/ext3 filesystem Jul 12 19:55:58 okay Jul 12 19:56:03 will try this Jul 12 19:56:07 one moment Jul 12 19:56:36 afk for about 20 minutes, but I'll check back later... Jul 12 19:56:40 should i leave with saveenv Jul 12 19:56:40 Great, if http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions is to be trusted, NONE of the options have a usable terminal :( Jul 12 20:01:30 Well... it doesn't list Qtopia... which doesn't this moment have one, due to a lacking software feed, but it'll get there very soon, lpotter mentioned yesterday i believe it was :) Jul 12 20:02:05 yes, I wil lset that up this morning Jul 12 20:02:15 lpotter: Brilliant stuff :) Jul 12 20:02:32 lpotter: hi, i use qtopia 4.3.2 in nand,i have a question Jul 12 20:02:54 ok Jul 12 20:03:19 lpotter: can you bake a package for the "ln -s /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios /etc/alsa" Jul 12 20:03:30 yes. Jul 12 20:03:38 i have been wondering, by the way... any app written for Qtopia will run on OpenMoko proper as well, right? :) Just randomly ;) Jul 12 20:04:07 you would have to compile it against ASU, as Qtopia uses the framebuffer and not X Jul 12 20:04:19 lpotter: that would be nice, often i forgot it, having it on a card would be a good solution as long as there is no newer version which fixs it Jul 12 20:04:32 I get "Signature check failed" when running opkg update, is that known/fixable? Jul 12 20:04:44 oh yea? what was i reading about that uses frambuffer, oh yeah a flash plasyer Jul 12 20:05:20 Lo-lan-do: That's normal, nothing to worry about Jul 12 20:05:21 for the life of me i cant remember what it was called we were talking about getting youtube to work Jul 12 20:05:51 and i read about it on a webpage was searching flash player arm/emmbeded type stuff Jul 12 20:05:57 Okay. What I do worry about though is that curses and libncurses5 try to step on each other's shoes. Jul 12 20:06:21 can i get the openmoko in the US? Jul 12 20:06:31 lpotter: Right, but in the spirit of Qt, it's just a recompile, not code changes :) Jul 12 20:06:32 * Lo-lan-do finishes editing his contacts in Emacs Jul 12 20:06:45 nottoday they are sold out but some the 25 there should be more Jul 12 20:07:00 come* the 25th Jul 12 20:08:26 lpotter: where can i found additional software packages for my freerunner or do i have to compile it myself? Jul 12 20:08:40 has someone done it, filemanager, qkonsole ... Jul 12 20:09:04 thats the feed I will setup this morning Jul 12 20:09:43 can i make calls via wifi, without a mobile carrier? Jul 12 20:09:50 yes Jul 12 20:10:02 with the appropriate software - in principle - which isn't installedc. Jul 12 20:10:10 (skype won't work) Jul 12 20:10:36 lpotter: i will be a very happy puppy when that feed comes up :) Jul 12 20:10:53 lpotter: thanx Jul 12 20:11:17 mmontour: now he boots, but gives me a kernel panic Jul 12 20:12:14 SpeedEvil: so i need to install a specific app, and than i can make phone calls over wifi? Jul 12 20:12:40 SpeedEvil: how come i don't need a carrier? is it some kind of voip? Jul 12 20:14:36 lpotter: ;) Downloaded the Qtopia SDK ISO; love the vmware idea. (but you forgot to put a REAL text editor on the image! :D ) Jul 12 20:14:53 thats what apt-get is for Jul 12 20:15:09 apt-get install xemacs21 :) Jul 12 20:15:46 Yeah, but how can you develop software without emacs in the first place?! Jul 12 20:15:50 is the os is debian? Jul 12 20:15:59 lpotter: i used a zaurus before (cacko), how are the chances to port applications to 2.x? Jul 12 20:16:27 mwester: I can't. but apt-get works Jul 12 20:16:44 malik1972: they would basicaly have to be rewritten Jul 12 20:16:57 from qtopia 2 to qtopia 4 is quite a jump Jul 12 20:16:58 lpotter: The latest qtopia image constantly re-registers (AT&T sim); known issue, and where should discussion on that happen (ml? forum?) Jul 12 20:17:01 what os is it comes with? debian? Jul 12 20:18:00 lpotter: oh sorry, 1.4 to 4.x, bigger jump Jul 12 20:18:27 owen1: It comes with 2007.2, which is based on Angstrom, which is a debian derivative from what I know Jul 12 20:18:47 mwester: known issue Jul 12 20:19:40 Ok. Can I offer any assistance in getting it resolved? It almost looks like some strange Calypso problem to me; it seems to be reporting that it lost the registration erroneously. Jul 12 20:20:12 lpotter: wakening from suspend is also an issue with apm or is there a workaround? Jul 12 20:21:22 lpotter: its the most useable distribution so far for the freerunner Jul 12 20:21:46 can i use any phone carrier i want (verison/t-mobile/cingular/etc)? Jul 12 20:22:09 mwester: strange - just restarting the build seems to have produced an image? Jul 12 20:24:32 malik1972: can you see what caused the kernel panic? It might be an ext3 vs. ext2 issue (some kernels did not have ext2 support compiled in) Jul 12 20:25:13 mmontour: hi again, one moment Jul 12 20:26:22 i used a kernel from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080712/ Jul 12 20:26:41 and did a mkfs.ext3 Jul 12 20:27:39 The printenv that you pasted had "rootfstype=ext2", and I suspect that might need to be "rootfstype=ext3" Jul 12 20:27:59 yes i saw it Jul 12 20:28:32 so the freerunner is an ext3 filesys/ Jul 12 20:28:42 ? Jul 12 20:28:58 isn't ext3 backward compatible w/ ext2? Jul 12 20:29:08 jffs2 for the onboard flash. ext3 is typical for a root filesystem on the SD card. Jul 12 20:29:29 can i use any phone carrier i want (verison/t-mobile/cingular/etc)? Jul 12 20:29:45 owen1: the carrier has to use GSM Jul 12 20:29:46 owen1: only GSM, no Sprint or Verizon Jul 12 20:30:42 malik1972: editing the environment variables is tricky. You can't just copy/paste into a terminal because that will send characters too fast for the Neo to process. Jul 12 20:31:07 Also you have to escape any '$' and ';' characters in the string Jul 12 20:31:37 mmontour: update correct "root=" boot option Jul 12 20:32:05 mmontour: unable to mount root fs on unknown block (179,2) Jul 12 20:32:27 mmontour: i could try to load the default environment Jul 12 20:32:35 ext3? Hmm... interesting... Jul 12 20:33:38 hmm, "root=/dev/mmcblk0p2" looks right to me. Can you normally access the card from Linux using that device name? Jul 12 20:34:15 never tried it, one moment, boots qtopia Jul 12 20:34:25 will have a look on it Jul 12 20:34:54 someone has to modify the "boot from sd wiki" Jul 12 20:35:37 others will also be in the dark after readining it Jul 12 20:35:40 malik1972: the rule around here is that anyone who says that is nominated to be that "someone" :) Jul 12 20:35:57 mmontour: is i get a solution Jul 12 20:36:41 mmontour: someone who knows about that what he writes, i am not sure if i am that one;-) Jul 12 20:37:23 I'm just going through that page, so one needs to change the uboot boot_env? Jul 12 20:38:36 mmontour: /dev/mmcblk0p2 ist the ext partition, it looks okay Jul 12 20:38:52 mmontour: will try an ext2 rootfs Jul 12 20:39:37 malik1972: A lot of people got confused about ext2 and ext3 - if we're supposed to use ext3, there's rather a nasty error there that *will* confuse a good number of people Jul 12 20:40:14 You can try that, but I'd stick with ext3. That "... on unknown block (179,2)" suggests that it isn't seeing the partition at all, not that it has a problem with the filesystem Jul 12 20:41:30 Hmm... i'm getting that same error on attempting to boot from sd Jul 12 20:41:31 mmontour: any suggestions or workarounds Jul 12 20:41:54 ...on unknown block (172,9), that is Jul 12 20:43:18 If you can, check the kernel to see whether it has built-in support for both ext2 and ext3 filesystems (using "cat /proc/filesystems" and "lsmod", or by examining the config file that it was built with) Jul 12 20:43:42 You MUST use ext2 or vfat for the partition that you wish for uboot to read the kernel from on the SD card. Jul 12 20:43:55 Well, that kernel is the uImage found up on the website - http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080710/ Jul 12 20:44:05 At present, ext3 is not in-kernel, so you MUST use ext2 for the rootfs. Jul 12 20:44:08 mwester: his issue is now with Linux failing to mount the rootfs from SD Jul 12 20:44:22 i'll give the 20080712 image a shot Jul 12 20:44:28 Right, use ext2 because most kernels have ext3 as a module. Jul 12 20:44:33 leinir: i did it, Jul 12 20:44:45 leinir: no change Jul 12 20:44:49 Right Jul 12 20:45:19 mwester: oh. It was the other way around for GTA01 (ext3 built in, ext2 as a module) Jul 12 20:45:35 the kernel has ext3 support Jul 12 20:45:53 Hmm... Jul 12 20:45:58 nodev devpts Jul 12 20:45:58 ext3 Jul 12 20:45:58 cramfs Jul 12 20:46:02 It's changed over time to the point where I'm not even sure what kernels have what where, but in general if anything is built in it will be ext2, not ext3 Jul 12 20:46:05 sorry Jul 12 20:46:13 its the qtopia kernel Jul 12 20:46:28 Ah, well that one I don't konw about. Jul 12 20:46:34 Could be anything. Jul 12 20:46:54 i have qtopia in nand and try gtk on sd Jul 12 20:47:21 okay, will reload default with this serial thingy;-) Jul 12 20:47:27 malik1972: anyway, sounds like it is worth trying ext2 for your rootfs Jul 12 20:47:28 mwhahahaah my freerunner is on the way Jul 12 20:47:32 I just build my own kernel, as I grew tired of sorting out which distro had which modules and patches. Jul 12 20:48:02 just in time, my coworker spilled a full 16oz latte on my blackberry Jul 12 20:48:10 and now ... well.. it's a PITA to press keys Jul 12 20:48:16 okay, next try Jul 12 20:48:38 daMaestro: you've been around here, surely you don't expect the device to replace a blackberry (yet)! Jul 12 20:49:28 malik1972: you can download a kernel with the important stuff all built-in (no modules required) from moko.mwester.net; that's the one I'm running (Qtopia in flash, gtk image on SD card) Jul 12 20:50:28 mwester: but you dont have ext3 in it either, do you? Jul 12 20:51:20 Tanuva: ext3 is built-in, ext2 is a module on my kernels. Jul 12 20:51:48 * mwester notes to check how much bigger the kernel would be with both built in... Jul 12 20:52:04 ah Jul 12 20:52:13 * Tanuva is going to take a look at it Jul 12 20:52:21 (the kernel, not its size9 Jul 12 20:52:54 mwester, it's going to, yes Jul 12 20:53:20 :) eventually... Jul 12 20:53:26 mwester, i'm going to take every feature i use daily with my blackberry and directly contribute to making it work Jul 12 20:53:45 hi all, I was building openmoko using ASU but the following error occured http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26944/, any help ? Jul 12 20:53:49 mwester, as long as i can hack in python; i'm going to be rocking lots of code Jul 12 20:53:58 The sticky keyboard will be a motivating factor! :o Jul 12 20:54:03 haha Jul 12 20:54:38 mwester, i think you know by now i know the state of the OM project (iirc, i've been lurking here for quite some time) Jul 12 20:54:52 mwester, now that we have some serious hardware; i'm going to start hacking Jul 12 20:54:59 oh, and we added python and git Jul 12 20:55:05 * Tanuva is just learning python as a result of failing to compile any c++/qt4 stuff for the neo Jul 12 20:55:07 git was the largest factor for me Jul 12 20:55:08 I was hoping to replace my ancient Treo650, but the treo will have to stay working for a while yet; I'm still optimistic. Jul 12 20:55:18 but python seems fine Jul 12 20:55:25 monotone-- # holy moly Jul 12 20:55:49 kernel panic Jul 12 20:55:50 monotone was/is the most amazing bit of software I've ever seen. Jul 12 20:55:52 python++ # not only a high level language, but a well written lowlevel interface/base Jul 12 20:56:09 mwester, it never worked right for me Jul 12 20:56:12 malik1972: Panic, or just complaints about duplicate symbols? Jul 12 20:56:14 mwester, and i was just running a buildsys Jul 12 20:56:19 * SpeedEvil ponders pykernel. Jul 12 20:56:21 panic Jul 12 20:56:50 malik1972: pastebin? Jul 12 20:57:13 daMaestro: what was amazing about monotone was how it could be possible to expend so much CPU to update so little data... Jul 12 20:57:15 mwester, i'm likely going to have to buy the debug board also Jul 12 20:57:25 mwester, lol Jul 12 20:57:31 mwester: how i can do that? connecting to pc, via usb and logs? Jul 12 20:57:36 mwester, i was curious what you actually liked about it Jul 12 20:58:00 malik1972, iirc you can set the console to use and then boot (and connect via use and cu) Jul 12 20:58:03 malik1972: Can you ssh into it? dmesg will capture the output. Jul 12 20:58:19 the dbug board the same as the board in the phone? Jul 12 20:58:21 maybe the debug board is needed for that Jul 12 20:58:25 linuxxr, no Jul 12 20:58:42 Yeah, the debug board is needed for the real console output, but it's seldom needed. Jul 12 20:58:52 mwester: ssh doesnt work Jul 12 20:58:58 linuxxr, http://openmoko.com/product-dboard.html Jul 12 20:59:26 mwester: with your kernel, mount complains about ext2 being an unknown fs type once I try to mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 (which has an ext2fs, I'm just gonna check... Jul 12 20:59:53 Tanuva: Yes, I checked, and the kernels I have support ext3 internally (ext2 is a module). Jul 12 21:00:10 ah yes, should have read your statement more thoroughly :) Jul 12 21:00:19 malik1972: Which kernel did you flash? Jul 12 21:00:29 mwester, i'm planning on spending a little time to try and develop a boot loader so i can install many rootfs/kernel images Jul 12 21:01:20 mwester, and i'll likely need access to NOR from time to time Jul 12 21:01:43 * daMaestro has put off all hacking until the code base/systems mature more (and we get new hardware) Jul 12 21:02:37 * Tanuva would like to start hacking asap, first learning some python :D Jul 12 21:03:24 Tanuva, i have a few python based FOSS projects going, you could close some bugs ;-) Jul 12 21:03:49 *refresh* Aww, still in San Pablo Jul 12 21:03:57 mwester, i assume that NAND will boot much faster then SD? Jul 12 21:04:25 retracile_: lol Jul 12 21:04:25 I've not found that to be the case; I've not timed anything but it sure doesn't seem to make any difference. Jul 12 21:04:37 awesome. Jul 12 21:04:39 daMaestro: I doubt I know enough python yet, have started reading today. until know, I just know bits of c/c++ and quite a bit of java/c# :D Jul 12 21:05:09 Tanuva, basic python is quite easy to read/write Jul 12 21:05:22 Tanuva, it really reads/writes like english Jul 12 21:05:54 and rather then having to deal with "hmm.. i need more ram for this list" it's like:: mylist.extend([some,more,list,data[) print "w00t" Jul 12 21:05:54 lol Jul 12 21:06:09 * daMaestro loves typeos Jul 12 21:06:12 *fg* Jul 12 21:06:40 typeos == "it's a feature, not a bug" Jul 12 21:06:51 sure it is, if not it wouldnt be there :) Jul 12 21:07:08 mwester, i just spent a few hours last night porting barry (linux -> blackberry shiet) to gcc 4.3 .... *lame* Jul 12 21:08:41 mwester, now.. i have to attempt to port it to opensync 0.3x Jul 12 21:09:07 i think it's going to be easier to just stick barry in a 3rd party repo with a opensync 0.2x compat package.. but that is the lazy way :-/ Jul 12 21:09:26 http://www.mail-archive.com/barry-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg00868.html Jul 12 21:10:24 * lpotter tries mwester kernel Jul 12 21:11:31 mwester, do you know of any effort spent on making an integrated build/web system for reviewing images? or is it still just all wiki based? Jul 12 21:11:49 bad idea to load the default, lost menues Jul 12 21:12:37 how can i correct things, reload default/uboot to nand Jul 12 21:14:41 * lpotter decides to switch to mwester kernel Jul 12 21:16:33 The latest bootloader binary builds can be found under http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots in the subdirectory 200X.XX/images/. It should be written to the NAND flash address 0x00000000 (size 0x30000) (the first partition). Jul 12 21:16:59 hi all, I was building openmoko using ASU but the following error occured http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26944/, any help ? Jul 12 21:17:15 * lpotter praises mwester for actually getting suspend/resume working on fr Jul 12 21:17:28 mohamed_: you're using an odd shell. Jul 12 21:17:38 malik1972: I recommend not re-flashing u-boot until you have more experience with the device. It won't help with your environment problem because that's stored in a different partition. Jul 12 21:17:39 mwester: doe suspend/resume work on 1973? Jul 12 21:17:40 lpotter: did he? Jul 12 21:18:06 malik1972: my initial test says yes Jul 12 21:18:09 mohamed_: you might see what /bin/sh and /bin/bash are symlinked to, and point them at bash Jul 12 21:18:10 does assassin actually work? Jul 12 21:18:14 mmontour: okay, i have only one entry "boot" in boot Jul 12 21:18:20 lets see if it can call after I get to work Jul 12 21:18:25 cjb: I'm using ubuntu 8.04, and this is its terminal where I used to build openmoko many times before without problems Jul 12 21:18:26 that true mwester ? Jul 12 21:18:29 lpotter: also for qtopia 4.x? Jul 12 21:18:40 This is probably a worn-out question here, but has there been much effort to port the openmoko platform onto other existing smartphones? Jul 12 21:18:44 mohamed_: when I type "pushd" at a bash shell, it works Jul 12 21:18:45 Your best approach is probably to copy/paste the items back from the 'pastebin' page that you created earlier. There is a terminal program called "neocon" in the OM SVN tree that adds a per-character delay so that copy/paste will work. Jul 12 21:18:59 mohamed_: somehow that script isn't getting run by bash. perhaps because a symlink is messed up. Jul 12 21:19:02 malik1972: yes, and will be in next qtopia update Jul 12 21:19:19 lpotter: when you will update it?;-) Jul 12 21:19:32 was thinking today sometime Jul 12 21:20:29 cjb: so what shall I do you think ? Jul 12 21:20:32 lpotter: cool, suspend/resume+feed Jul 12 21:20:33 audio still clicks when i resujes, though Jul 12 21:21:06 resunmes Jul 12 21:21:11 bah resumes Jul 12 21:21:43 mmontour: this is hard stuff:-) Jul 12 21:22:02 does neo1973 works in Egypt for GSM900 Jul 12 21:22:36 s/works/work Jul 12 21:22:38 mohamed_, are you running ubuntu, as iirc they inline replaced bash with dash Jul 12 21:22:59 I can't remember if they reverted it though Jul 12 21:23:33 mmontour: booting from nand doesnt work anymore Jul 12 21:23:39 only nor Jul 12 21:23:50 good news and bad news Jul 12 21:24:14 Tig|: so should I use dash and not bash ? Jul 12 21:24:22 no way to flash uboot to nand? Jul 12 21:24:24 Tig|: AFAIK Ubuntu still uses dash, and last year I made OM compile correctly in dash Jul 12 21:24:29 mohamed_, this page would suggest it would as the neo1973 was iirc 900 triband, if you have a neo you want the 900 version : http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_eg.shtml Jul 12 21:24:51 Tig|: in fact, I never changed to bash (instead I fixed the bugs) Jul 12 21:25:11 mohamed_, well bash would be better but cesarb has just said that they managed to get it to compile in dash Jul 12 21:25:26 so I have not been much help :) Jul 12 21:25:59 mmontour: okay Jul 12 21:26:15 Tig|: I don't recall even compiling python-edje, so it might still have bashism bugs Jul 12 21:26:21 s/even/ever/ Jul 12 21:26:21 cesarb meant: Tig|: I don't recall ever compiling python-edje, so it might still have bashism bugs Jul 12 21:27:08 when you say "booting from nand doesn't work any more" do you mean you can't even get to the u-boot console on nand? Or just that you can't boot the kernel from there? Jul 12 21:27:20 apt, ah right :) whoops :) Jul 12 21:27:31 Tig|: no of course not, you're so helpful, thank you cesarb, but the question is did you make a successful build with ASU or the ordinary one ? Jul 12 21:28:43 mohamed_: well, last I played with openmoko, _ASU didn't exist yet_ :| Jul 12 21:29:01 mohamed_, aha! all the information is here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh Jul 12 21:29:18 they did not switch bash but sh for dash Jul 12 21:29:22 mohamed_: and if http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions is correct, I won't use ASU for a while, since I need a working terminal Jul 12 21:29:44 mohamed_, just run "bash" before doing what you're trying to do Jul 12 21:31:09 mohamed_, reading though that page BHSPitLappy's idea would definatly the thing I would try first :) Jul 12 21:32:05 cesarb: Tig|: BHSPitLappy: ok thanks alot, but it didn't make any difference, the same error occurs :( Jul 12 21:32:27 damn. my neo crashed while extracting a rootfs to the sdcard >.< Jul 12 21:34:59 cesarb: Tig|: BHSPitLappy: another question I have neo1973 with the latest build of openmoko, but it doesn't register with GSM900, i.e. I can't make phone calls any idea ? Jul 12 21:38:43 mohamed_, hmm my usual simcard would not register with a few of the recent images, I thought it was a network issue as there was some odd stuff going on with my network Jul 12 21:38:48 has anyone thought about how one should control kobodeluxe yet? :D Jul 12 21:39:10 Tanuva, that the arcade game? I just tapped on the screen Jul 12 21:39:35 me too, but then it simply disappeared and I had to kill it from an ssh session Jul 12 21:39:46 (because it blocked the cpu running in the background ;) ) Jul 12 21:40:27 argh, now it crashed the second time while extracting the rootfs from flash to the sdcard... Jul 12 21:40:37 there seems to be some issue... Jul 12 21:40:56 mmontour: where can i download neocon Jul 12 21:41:36 Tig|: so you mean that I need an older image ? Jul 12 21:42:37 mohamed_, I don't know if it is connected, have you tried a different sim? Jul 12 21:42:47 source is at http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/werner/neocon/ Jul 12 21:44:12 also a wiki page http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoCon - I don't know of a downloadable binary Jul 12 21:44:19 i hate uboot Jul 12 21:44:53 what about the uboot images on the servers? Jul 12 21:45:06 mmontour, erm I am not sure that is the best choice of name for a bit of software Jul 12 21:45:24 Tig|: yes Jul 12 21:46:06 mohamed_, is it just sitting there with "Registering" in the top left? Jul 12 21:46:52 I haven't kept up-to-date on the state of u-boot builds for Freerunner so I can't comment on what's on the servers. I have my own bitbake recipe and set of patches for the Neo1973. Jul 12 21:47:37 Tig|: yes, Registering... :) Jul 12 21:47:54 at a console try : libgsmd-tool -m shell Jul 12 21:48:05 then type r and hit enter Jul 12 21:48:57 if it registers and you can make calls but sms is broken then we have the same problem :) which would be a start as then we know it is not only us having this problem :) Jul 12 21:50:19 hmm who was it that I was talking to about bluetooth keyboards the other day? Jul 12 21:50:33 Tig|: then ? Jul 12 21:50:36 mmontour: okay, compiled it Jul 12 21:50:56 mohamed_, after you have entered a single r and hit enter, did it register? Jul 12 21:51:09 mmontour Jul 12 21:51:36 mmontour: i should copy paste commands to it and leave it with ~.? Jul 12 21:51:42 mohamed_, you can tell by entering a : R (and hitting enter) which should tell you your currently registered network Jul 12 21:54:47 Tig|: unknown command a :( Jul 12 21:55:10 sorry Jul 12 21:55:12 enter Jul 12 21:55:17 r Jul 12 21:55:34 then after it returns info Jul 12 21:55:40 R Jul 12 21:56:19 I've never actually used it - check the README and/or the source for usage instructions. Once you're connected you should be able to paste text into your terminal window (either ctrl-c/ctrl-v or select + click middle mouse button). Jul 12 21:57:04 Oh, also you won't be able to paste an entire line because setenv has different syntax Jul 12 21:57:34 You'll need to do "setenv name value", whereas the printenv output is shown as "name=value" Jul 12 21:57:35 Tig|: the first r gives netreg registration denied cme error: 32 Jul 12 21:58:18 Tig|: the R gives register to operator no. Jul 12 21:58:19 mohamed_, hmm that sounds like the network Jul 12 21:58:58 i have to sleep now Jul 12 21:59:25 Tig|: :( Jul 12 22:00:31 which file would I need to download to get the root filesystem for qtopia to run from the SD card? Jul 12 22:00:44 Tig|: I've tried "etisalat" and "mobinil", should I try vodafone also ? Jul 12 22:01:33 mohamed_, we are well out of my experience now :) but I have noticed this post to the mailing list : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-November/011554.html Jul 12 22:01:45 thanx Jul 12 22:02:34 mohamed_, sorry this url: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-November/011548.html Jul 12 22:03:47 mohamed_, do you have a known working version of your kernel and rootfs, ie one that you used before and defiantly works? Jul 12 22:04:48 Tig|: what do you mean by defiantly works ? I have a kernel and rootfs from the wiki that they say they are the latest Jul 12 22:04:52 I would try that as the next step. Then it will either be a wierd network issue or some kind of hardware setting that can persist across flashing Jul 12 22:05:21 mohamed_, by working, one that you have used before when the phone could register Jul 12 22:06:00 Tig|: for my bad luck the phone never registered before :) Jul 12 22:06:57 mohamed_, hmm do you know what hardware revision the phone is? Jul 12 22:07:21 I would hope that would be printed under the battery Jul 12 22:07:41 as then the best people to ask would be the mailing list Jul 12 22:07:50 Tig|: gta01bv4 Jul 12 22:08:57 but try to get as much information as possible first to give people the best chance of nailing it :) so hardware revision. images tried, networks tried and the output from that tool we just tried Jul 12 22:09:27 what you can see as a user and anything that you can think of that could help :) Jul 12 22:10:06 erm this is a stupid question but can anyone else get a signal on a different phone on any of the networks you have tried near you? Jul 12 22:11:39 Tig|: yes, for sure it's my nokia phone working and I can make a phone call now :) Jul 12 22:11:52 damn :( Jul 12 22:12:06 Tig|: why ? Jul 12 22:12:49 because error 34 is the return code for when the phone connects to a network that it can only make emergency calls on Jul 12 22:13:18 Tig|: :/ Jul 12 22:13:21 32 even Jul 12 22:13:31 so that means one of two things Jul 12 22:13:49 either 1: it is not connecting to the correct network Jul 12 22:14:01 2: it is not registering correctly with the network Jul 12 22:14:16 did you get any info from the R command? Jul 12 22:14:42 lower case r makes it register upper case R should ask it who you are connected to Jul 12 22:14:56 Tig|: yes, just as I told you, Registering with nework no. Jul 12 22:16:00 mohamed_, sorry, running out of ideas now :( it sounds like it is not registering but we don't know which network it is attempting to register with Jul 12 22:16:38 as I understand it a GSM phone can still make emergency calls even when it is not registered on that network Jul 12 22:18:32 mohamed_, just in case I vanish offline these are the pages I am working from : GSM codes : http://www.activexperts.com/activsms/sms/gsmerrorcodes/ and libgsmtool : http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd#libgsmd-tool Jul 12 22:20:08 argh... its not possible to prevent the neo to boot immediately after inserting the accu, is it? Jul 12 22:20:19 s/to boot/from booting/ Jul 12 22:20:20 Tanuva meant: argh... its not possible to prevent the neo from booting immediately after inserting the accu, is it? Jul 12 22:22:57 mwester: your kernel fails to mount my mmcblk0p2 although its an ext3 partition, am I missing something? uboot env maybe? Jul 12 22:25:56 Tanuva: do you see /dev/mmcblk* entries in /proc/partitions? Jul 12 22:26:45 I can read/write both partitions from the fso-image in built-in flash, yes... didnt check /proc though Jul 12 22:27:11 is it possible to do voip on the freerunner ? Jul 12 22:28:01 spdr: its possible, yes. but the software is far from being usable for that Jul 12 22:28:47 too buggy? Jul 12 22:30:44 yes, but its improving Jul 12 22:31:14 spyre: only on wifi - gprs is too slow. Jul 12 22:32:32 hehe... greetings from tabcompletion :D Jul 12 22:33:00 Tanuva: actually not Jul 12 22:33:06 Tanuva: I misread that. Jul 12 22:33:29 oh... ah :) Jul 12 22:35:34 It's been a while since I've peeked at OpenMoko's status -- is anyone walking around using their Freerunner as their primary phone? Jul 12 22:35:47 wtf Jul 12 22:35:52 sorry, wrong chan Jul 12 22:35:52 Only the insane. Jul 12 22:36:17 How... insane would one have to be? Jul 12 22:36:23 sparq, yes me :) Jul 12 22:36:32 SpeedEvil: probably not as insane as that guy who used _gta01_ as his primary phone, however Jul 12 22:36:35 i would use it, but i hate ppl calling me :) Jul 12 22:36:53 Well - not actually botheredabout missinng the odd call, and 5-12h battery life. Jul 12 22:37:00 i'm using it as my primary, but i carry a backup phone with me in case Jul 12 22:37:05 It is doable but you need an understanding gf :) Jul 12 22:37:19 cesarb: I've used it as my primary mobile phone (GTA01) Jul 12 22:37:43 cesarb: however, my SIM still has 8.88 of the 10 pounds of initial credit on it, and I got it last year. Jul 12 22:37:44 Tig|: understanding in the "Why won't you anwer my calls?!" sense or in the "Your phone is annoying to use" sense? Jul 12 22:37:52 cesarb: I don't make many calls. :) Jul 12 22:37:58 but my god it is the best excuse for "no dear I did not get your text about popping around and visiting your mother" :) Jul 12 22:38:16 sms are pretty reliable Jul 12 22:38:37 ieatlint_, ssh! don't tell her that Jul 12 22:39:18 moose Jul 12 22:39:26 SpeedEvil: I didn't mean you, I meant that guy who even had to use it on a hospital... Jul 12 22:39:35 it's my primary phone, cos it's my only phone Jul 12 22:40:28 hm, so with the qtopia media player, the music is mono through the headphones and doesn't mute the speakers. guh. Jul 12 22:40:44 so much for it being a portable MP3 player ;-) Jul 12 22:41:21 that would be a problem with the alsa state file then, nmost likely Jul 12 22:41:27 hum. Jul 12 22:41:47 I had a happy e-mail today from those nice people at truebox (uk reseller) and Openmoko are sending the pouches and headphones out that were missing from our orders and will be arriving next week sometime :) Jul 12 22:42:15 pouch is nice. the headphones are a bit nasty. dunno what the point of the button on them is Jul 12 22:42:35 pause I suppose Jul 12 22:42:38 or skip Jul 12 22:42:44 Chocky: on my Sony-Ericsson I use it for hanging up Jul 12 22:42:52 right Jul 12 22:43:06 Tig|: What sort of problems are there for basic calls? Jul 12 22:43:27 well, the most obvious problem for me is that it's near impossible to use the address book without the stylus Jul 12 22:43:38 Chocky, well considering I had written off getting them it is nice to know they are on their way :) the pouch is more what I am interested in as there is no screen cover Jul 12 22:43:54 ebay has some screen covers, but dunno how good Jul 12 22:44:04 my screen is already dirty. had it less than one day Jul 12 22:44:25 sparq, well apart from battery life then making and recieving calls is fine, have had the odd call where people have had an echo but it works Jul 12 22:44:50 Chocky, I meant either a hard cover or something to protect it more :) Jul 12 22:45:11 Tig|: That doesn't sound any worse than the last five cell phones I've owned ^_^ Jul 12 22:46:09 Tig|: I assume the kernel folks are hacking away at the battery life problem, yes? Jul 12 22:47:00 the GTA1 had some kind of hardware problem that silenced interrupts that could have saved a lot of power, I seem to recall Jul 12 22:47:29 sparq, I will not pull any punches here, yes you can make calls and SMS's but you will have problems with power issues and sending sms's is a pain in the arse unless you swap the keyboard app and then you have to use a stylus and be very accurate. It is all being worked on and even the GTA01 is getting massive battery life boosts from the ongoing kernel work Jul 12 22:47:54 moo. Jul 12 22:47:58 neigh. Jul 12 22:48:04 quack Jul 12 22:48:15 qtopia's predictive keyboard can be used very well with fingers Jul 12 22:48:27 lpotter, oh yeah? Jul 12 22:48:29 You think so? Jul 12 22:48:34 yes Jul 12 22:48:46 its got 'fault' tolerance Jul 12 22:51:20 lpotter, and by fault tolerance, you mean, moderately compensates for fat-finger syndrome? :P Jul 12 22:52:18 Wpwm Tha[f br grtay! Jul 12 22:52:41 Tig|: Understood. Perhaps I should have phrased my question differently. I'm more interested in whether the issues are related to missing important pices of middleware or firmware, or more related to the UI. I've already got a phone with massive UI bugs. ^_^ Jul 12 22:52:43 haha, yeah, especially with your notoriously awesome typing, eh, Speedevil? ;) Jul 12 22:56:55 sparq, well middleware and UI issues mainly, the problem is that it is just the wrong moment for the end user at the moment as there are the three (main) stacks as you can read here : http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ Jul 12 22:57:10 right Jul 12 22:57:11 now they all have different goals but should end up in the same place :) Jul 12 22:57:30 that link should give you a better picture Jul 12 22:58:24 lpotter, have the qtopia repos opened yet? ;) Jul 12 22:58:34 * sparq reads Jul 12 23:01:31 aye a whole new framework Jul 12 23:02:25 i'm just trying to clone the fso.org/zhone.git repository, but git fails "resolving" HEAD: http://rafb.net/p/yFYEqj46.html - Am I doing something wrong or is the repo "broken"? Jul 12 23:02:43 Tanuva! Jul 12 23:02:51 * Tanuva looks for shelter Jul 12 23:02:56 Muwahahaha Jul 12 23:02:59 Good call >:) Jul 12 23:03:03 :D Jul 12 23:05:05 So Tanuva, you seem to be a Qtopia fool, to me... Jul 12 23:05:11 ... is this correct? Jul 12 23:05:59 opkg is the most unreliable thing on the phone Jul 12 23:06:05 haha Jul 12 23:06:06 hardly Jul 12 23:06:13 though yeah, we could easily bash it, for a number of reasons :) Jul 12 23:06:15 Im fiddling around with the three stacks until I find something I can have fun with. Should say: do some gui stuff with python or so... Jul 12 23:06:18 Though honestly, it actually -works- Jul 12 23:06:23 so there's far better to bitch about :D Jul 12 23:06:27 kinda Jul 12 23:06:32 but its searching capabilities are ... Jul 12 23:06:33 oh, that reminds me Jul 12 23:06:47 i can't run opkg update because it tries to download .sig files that don't exist (gets 404s) Jul 12 23:06:47 I have to get started on a python client for my project... Jul 12 23:06:56 which i realise isn't opkg's fault Jul 12 23:07:02 ieatlint_: that doesnt interrupt it from updating Jul 12 23:07:06 its successful anyway Jul 12 23:07:15 oh? it makes it sound like it fails Jul 12 23:07:27 it just fails checking if the repo is trusted Jul 12 23:07:47 but since it IS ;), everything's fine Jul 12 23:07:53 how about if i want to install something, i have to keep running the same command until it works, because it'll randomly fail to download a file at times with "error 0" Jul 12 23:08:14 find out what error 0 means I'd say Jul 12 23:08:25 from what i can tell, it means no error Jul 12 23:08:32 [not givin proper error messages is a weakness of opkg...] Jul 12 23:09:17 and if i try to install pygtk, i get "An error ocurred, return value: 2." ... increasing verbosity gives a 5,090 line output Jul 12 23:09:26 ieatlint_, ignore the 404 on the sig files it will still work Jul 12 23:09:55 but dependancy resolution is useless Jul 12 23:10:18 ieatlint_: you can ignore that Jul 12 23:10:35 ok, so i can ignore the 404s Jul 12 23:10:41 it still works fine, it just blows because you can't intuitively chain using && in that case Jul 12 23:10:55 This is probably a worn-out question here, but has there been much effort to port the openmoko platform onto other existing smartphones? Jul 12 23:10:56 ieatlint, sure, it still downloads the Packages.gz fine. Jul 12 23:11:09 though yeah, it's annoying as hell about the failed .sig files -_- Jul 12 23:11:19 * Tanuva would like some pyqt stuff.. Jul 12 23:11:23 also opkg gives general errors for multiple things which is annoying Jul 12 23:11:29 like error: 2 Jul 12 23:11:34 for pretty much everyting Jul 12 23:11:39 BHSPitLappy, not worn out but it does exist there were a few things on the planet site Jul 12 23:11:46 yeah, the verbose level 2 messages seem pretty useless Jul 12 23:11:55 it appears to list every package i have installed Jul 12 23:12:41 BHSPitLappy, but realistically the main thrust will be getting up to speed on the freerunner and 1973 first but there are people working on it Jul 12 23:12:46 ah. simply replacing http:// by git:// in the git-repo-url makes git clone successfully -.- Jul 12 23:12:57 heh Jul 12 23:13:16 Tig|, yeah; I know there are a handful of android ports floating around, I figured people would be tinkering this direction as well Jul 12 23:17:03 So much for Qtopia's supposed intuitive software management system. Jul 12 23:17:15 DaMaestro, you're back, baby! Jul 12 23:17:26 cat /dev/sandwich > daMaestro Jul 12 23:17:40 * daMaestro munch munch Jul 12 23:17:51 actually today i'm having blueberry coffee cake Jul 12 23:17:52 :D Jul 12 23:17:55 * daMaestro goes to get another latte Jul 12 23:17:57 lol Jul 12 23:17:57 oh, heehee Jul 12 23:18:05 Hrm, some diet you're on... Jul 12 23:18:12 Damn, they really must NOT feed you well... :\ Jul 12 23:18:12 * Tanuva got some chocolate in front of him Jul 12 23:18:14 poor guy Jul 12 23:18:17 Dave, they are out of sandwiches... and bluntly, the new sandwiches suck Jul 12 23:18:27 That is rather disappointing. Jul 12 23:18:31 qtopia knows nothing about opkgs Jul 12 23:18:53 lpotter, and qpkgs? Jul 12 23:19:42 whats this "edje"? Jul 12 23:19:57 okay, i solved my pygtk "error 2" message ... PEBKAC Jul 12 23:20:00 It would be nice to be able to intuitively install it's own offered qtopia packages. Perhaps I have yet to simply learn the system, however I suspect that sort of support is still being developed (as someone else mentioned to me earlier, a few days back). Jul 12 23:20:08 ieatlint: good :) Jul 12 23:20:16 Tanuva: http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/Edje Jul 12 23:20:22 the package is called python-pygtk, and opkg doesn't have a "package not found" message Jul 12 23:21:23 abraxa_: ah, thanks :) Jul 12 23:34:16 the laser pointer on the stylus very much so confuses my cat Jul 12 23:34:41 use the cat's paw as a pointer Jul 12 23:34:48 hehe, I have made the two here run all around the living room with a laser pointer :D Jul 12 23:35:21 Tanuva: I regret to inform you that you are infringing on US patent #5443036 Jul 12 23:35:40 and that is? Jul 12 23:35:45 lol Jul 12 23:35:56 *shuddering from fear* Jul 12 23:36:02 http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5443036.html Jul 12 23:36:26 LOL Jul 12 23:36:38 okay, now reboot. really. :) Jul 12 23:38:15 Tanuva, I have killed the laser pointer here doing that :) Jul 12 23:38:48 all Jul 12 23:38:53 I thought it was the battery but it looks like something more serious :( Jul 12 23:38:54 haha Jul 12 23:39:21 Curious cat is no longer curious. Jul 12 23:39:55 so what's today's complaint about the software? Jul 12 23:40:22 Chocky: I'll let you know when I pick up my phone in an hour and a half. Jul 12 23:40:25 Chocky, I woke up this morning and the blasted thing had not made me any tea :( Jul 12 23:40:42 stalked! Jul 12 23:40:50 and there is not enough power from the USB host to power the toaster Jul 12 23:41:01 my mornings are a living nightmare Jul 12 23:41:49 the stylus is useless IMHO, unless they are shipping a new one Jul 12 23:41:52 it's far to bulky Jul 12 23:42:03 * daMaestro is planning on shopping for a stylus at some point Jul 12 23:42:06 yes, but the address book is real hard to use without it Jul 12 23:42:10 daMaestro, it is handy if you need to vault a wall :) Jul 12 23:42:24 Haters. Jul 12 23:42:37 mmontour: That's just plain sad. How did you find out about the patent anyway? Jul 12 23:42:42 Dave, ? Jul 12 23:42:48 i'd settle for a USB drive/pen/stylus that is small as possible Jul 12 23:43:21 I don't remember where I first saw it. It's one of the classic examples of how f*cked the US patent system is. Jul 12 23:44:01 abraxa_: I bet it's a matter of common knowledge in a world of funny cat pictures on the internet! Jul 12 23:44:15 mmm, minimo Jul 12 23:44:52 mmontour: Yeah, certainly. I'm so happy we don't have software patents in Europe (yet). Jul 12 23:45:01 abraxa_: Don't worry. Jul 12 23:45:08 * Chocky can't figure out busybox tar Jul 12 23:45:19 * Tanuva didnt, too Jul 12 23:45:24 abraxa_: powerful software interests and our politicians are working real hard on that. Jul 12 23:45:27 Chocky: first gunzip, then tar xvvf :) Jul 12 23:47:05 hmm. Jul 12 23:47:57 politicians who dont have any clue what they're talking about Jul 12 23:48:10 abraxa_: yes, but it was a close run thing. Jul 12 23:48:28 * Chocky remembers all the fuss in Debian a few years back in the UK Jul 12 23:48:49 SpeedEvil, Chocky: Yeah, I'm not too hopeful. The powers that be are not weak Jul 12 23:52:45 I'm wondering if I should be worried that I'm now running Mozilla on my phone Jul 12 23:53:06 chock its fast enough?? Jul 12 23:53:17 would that be minimo? Jul 12 23:53:17 dunno, can't find a way to enter URLs Jul 12 23:53:20 2ghz is not enough for firefox on linux/x, even the post fsync() fix Jul 12 23:53:22 linty: aye Jul 12 23:53:43 2007.2 has the openmoko-browser2 working with a keyboard Jul 12 23:53:52 i installed it on asu... runs, but no keyboard Jul 12 23:53:56 linty: couldn't make the damn thing work Jul 12 23:54:14 * ja will compile Dillo Jul 12 23:54:16 f the nonsense Jul 12 23:54:26 heh Jul 12 23:54:29 links Jul 12 23:56:30 firefox 3 Jul 12 23:57:11 i need to whip something up in python to read xml over http Jul 12 23:57:23 (Though I'm running ff1.5 on a CPU only 1.5* as fast, with 1.5* theRAM as the FR Jul 12 23:58:55 now I need to find some silly way to get my GPS (hackable WinCE) to talk to FR Jul 12 23:59:02 need moko. Jul 12 23:59:28 SpeedEvil: How familiar are you with the PCF50633? Jul 12 23:59:29 what GPS? Jul 12 23:59:50 abraxa_: the pmu in the fr? Jul 12 23:59:53 Maxtek MNT-7T aka VXA-2000 Jul 13 00:00:14 abraxa_: no - that's gta01 isn't it? Jul 13 00:00:26 * Chocky got it to play movies off a USB key if one was present :o Jul 13 00:00:30 abraxa_: a bit, I've read tge datasheet a few tines Jul 13 00:00:42 SpeedEvil: 50633 is GTA02, 50606 would be GTA01 indeed Jul 13 00:01:10 Times. Jul 13 00:01:23 Chocky: Eeew. Jul 13 00:01:48 SpeedEvil: My question is: can it be programmed to have a battery threshold voltage so that the system doesn't deep-discharge the battery? Jul 13 00:02:17 abraxa_: moot question. Jul 13 00:02:34 SpeedEvil: Moot as in "if it did, it would've been done"? Jul 13 00:02:39 abraxa_: If it can't, you can do it with a 12 hourly wake Jul 13 00:03:25 SpeedEvil: Well yeah. I've just come to wonder why that appears to still be an issue on GTA02 even Jul 13 00:03:34 Seems such a simple thing to do Jul 13 00:03:57 abraxa_: it's just software. Jul 13 00:04:05 abraxa_: it's just that... Jul 13 00:04:06 Battery life at teh moment is very much a work in progress. Currently suspend is broken, so you get 6-12 hours depending on what's on. The hardware appears capable of doing a week standby, with 20 hours mp3, and 5 hours+ talk time. Jul 13 00:04:40 usb power enuf to run everything including both radios? Jul 13 00:04:54 ja:both radios? Jul 13 00:04:59 802.11g and gsm Jul 13 00:05:12 ja: they are not on USB Jul 13 00:05:14 ja: oh Jul 13 00:05:18 ja: hmm Jul 13 00:05:29 ja: GSM can only be powered by battery Jul 13 00:05:31 ja: 2W peak plus wifi... Jul 13 00:05:39 ja: gonna be marginal if it works at all Jul 13 00:05:40 ja: ah Jul 13 00:05:45 * SpeedEvil points at abraxa_ Jul 13 00:05:53 yeah wifi is like 50 mw innit. usb power is like 250 ma for entire buss Jul 13 00:06:03 ja: 500mA - 2.5W Jul 13 00:06:22 * ja wants Tegra with open-everything drivers (yeah right, nvidia) Jul 13 00:06:53 * SpeedEvil wants 3 axis skyhooks. Jul 13 00:07:18 They're like accelerometers, but backwards. Jul 13 00:08:59 SpeedEvil: Backwards? They *create* accelleration? Jul 13 00:09:12 yep. Jul 13 00:09:29 ohh neat Jul 13 00:11:53 why ewww? Jul 13 00:12:30 they create acceleration? Jul 13 00:12:36 * doc|home attaches 4000 to his car Jul 13 00:12:44 and racing stripes Jul 13 00:12:52 Chocky: Because it's not what I use, ergo, it must be horrible. :-) Jul 13 00:12:56 I see Jul 13 00:13:04 it has a 7" screen. that was most of its appeal Jul 13 00:13:28 Yeah, so's my eeepc. And about the same price. :-) Jul 13 00:13:41 eeepc didn't exist when I bought it :p Jul 13 00:13:47 Good point. Jul 13 00:13:52 and doesn't dash mount - as such Jul 13 00:14:06 Well, not without a bit of work. Jul 13 00:14:21 avr: vastly Jul 13 00:14:22 oops Jul 13 00:14:23 But with a little sticky-tack Jul 13 00:16:17 hm, what will happen with this data plan AT&T sim? Jul 13 00:19:19 oh dear. I got an SMS message on it. Jul 13 00:19:24 for a 4th of july party Jul 13 00:21:59 niklauz: you have to go some on a board where people are discussing sanding down DFN packages to make them lighter. Jul 13 00:22:01 oops Jul 13 00:27:57 yay. finally got through 600+ om-community and -devel mails I hadnt read the last days... >.< Jul 13 00:37:42 The Freerunner - heavier than 500 aeroplanes. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=892415#post10134114 Jul 13 00:40:24 *refresh* Aww, still in San Pablo Jul 13 00:43:01 and we can still simply grab it. damn, hackers are heavy duty men. :D Jul 13 00:59:20 <|Marco|> got a kernel panic I need to post Jul 13 01:06:28 is there any way to get a browser or terminal in the Qtopia image? Jul 13 01:16:50 anyone? Jul 13 01:17:59 <|Marco|> sorry, don't know Jul 13 01:18:41 :-/ Jul 13 01:19:21 I like the om2007.2 firmware... but it sucks down my battery. the Qtopia firmware is battery-freindly, but has no terminal or browser.... what to do... Jul 13 01:20:10 sitwon, write a terminal and browser for qt Jul 13 01:20:23 or work on om2007's battery performance Jul 13 01:21:18 BHSPitLappy: yea, I was hoping I could use the om2007's terminal and browser in Qtopia, but it wouldn't load Jul 13 01:21:33 grmpf, didnt think python would crash me that early Jul 13 01:21:37 i was at a software conference today, telling a co-worker about the openmoko, the freerunner, and how I plan to use my recently ordered freerunner as an mp3 player. a couple minutes later I win an ipod nano in a raffle that I was automatically entered in. Jul 13 01:21:55 :) Jul 13 01:21:56 BHSPitLappy: I wouldn't know where to start w/ battery issues, but I can try to write a browser/term for QT Jul 13 01:21:59 hello guys Jul 13 01:22:09 correct me if i am wrong please Jul 13 01:22:12 dimko: there may be girls here too. Jul 13 01:22:15 You're wrong! Jul 13 01:22:22 haha Jul 13 01:22:31 SpeedEvil: yeah yea ;) Jul 13 01:22:35 anyway Jul 13 01:22:36 but he also wants correction Jul 13 01:22:48 I think there are people here that do correction. Jul 13 01:22:49 since it doesn't work without itunes(ie no linux support), i'm just gonna sell it. they couldn't have picked a worse person to give it to, heh Jul 13 01:22:51 first of all i need to update kernel Jul 13 01:23:05 dimko: you've got a freerunner? Jul 13 01:23:12 second of all i need to install jeff2 file Jul 13 01:23:15 yes Jul 13 01:23:43 question is: do i have to change kernel all the time with every distribution or any will do? Jul 13 01:23:54 dimko: have a look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner Jul 13 01:23:54 dimko: often Jul 13 01:24:01 dimko: yeah - that page is good. Jul 13 01:24:10 read it many times Jul 13 01:24:21 i was confused regarding kernel... Jul 13 01:24:28 can i compile mine? Jul 13 01:24:43 you dont have to change it eveerytime you flash a new image, but updating it wouldnt be wrong I'd say Jul 13 01:24:44 you should probably use always the latest kernel, no matter what distro Jul 13 01:24:55 dimko: yes you can Jul 13 01:26:22 just thought it was funny that I would win an ipod nano, the epitome of intentionally crippled functionality that pissed me off about most cellphones and other electronics and led me to openmoko. Jul 13 01:26:24 whats the difference? compiled in modules? Jul 13 01:26:59 are there modules in the first place? Jul 13 01:27:15 or everything is compiled in? Jul 13 01:27:42 and i might need an advice... Jul 13 01:28:16 which distribution is going to be developed? is there a main distribution? Jul 13 01:28:35 peepsalot: did you consider Rockbox? Jul 13 01:28:54 sitwon, don't think it works on 3rd gen nanos Jul 13 01:29:05 K Jul 13 01:29:11 OOPS Jul 13 01:29:16 srry Jul 13 01:29:22 peepsalot: so start a port, I'm sure there are a lot of 3rd gen nano owners who could benefit... Jul 13 01:29:46 i don't have the patience or time to do such a thing Jul 13 01:30:10 * SpeedEvil pays peepsalot a hundred million dollars to do it. Jul 13 01:30:21 always one clown when you arrange group things. guy was supposed to come this morning, then it was this evening, now it's tomorrow evening Jul 13 01:30:21 peepsalot: where do you want me to mail your new banknote? Jul 13 01:30:27 sitwon, rather spend any free time writing software supporting an open product like the freerunner :-) Jul 13 01:30:35 peepsalot: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14871.0 Jul 13 01:31:10 peepsalot: help me convince Neuros to get their N3 back on track ;-) Jul 13 01:31:44 tessier has his now, however. one more to the cause of the revolution. Jul 13 01:32:17 SpeedEvil, hey, where'd you get all those monies! Jul 13 01:32:59 peepsalot: ebay Jul 13 01:33:17 peepsalot: Zimbabwe is supporting its economy by ebaying 100 million dollar notes. Jul 13 01:33:31 (about $.5 equivalent IIRC) Jul 13 01:33:46 oh, nice! Jul 13 01:33:53 +S&H Jul 13 01:34:08 call now and get 2 Jul 13 01:34:11 Insane. Jul 13 01:34:21 At the beginning of the year, one buys a nice house. Jul 13 01:34:26 At the end, a cabbage. Jul 13 01:34:35 why did you buy a cabbage? Jul 13 01:36:42 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/100-000-000-ZIMBABWE-BANK-NOTE-UNC-VERY-HARD-TO-OBTAIN_W0QQitemZ130236300387QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item130236300387 Jul 13 01:38:47 SpeedEvil: is it nessisary to install a diode on the cathode or just the anode of a solar panel? Jul 13 01:38:55 *cant spell Jul 13 01:38:56 KrisAbsinthe: only one Jul 13 01:39:15 KrisAbsinthe: what you doing? Jul 13 01:39:38 finishing the solar mod on my 1973 Jul 13 01:40:10 Umm... Jul 13 01:40:13 What are you doing? Jul 13 01:40:55 I added a solar panel to my 1973 and now I need to install a diode, added 2hrs without the diode Jul 13 01:40:59 SpeedEvil, sounds pretty obvious to me Jul 13 01:41:12 * Chocky looks at his photo collection. dammit, my kid will have nearly every day of his life documented. Jul 13 01:41:13 KrisAbsinthe, pics? Jul 13 01:41:30 BHSPitLappy: sure - but there are many ways that risk screwing the battery. Jul 13 01:41:42 Chocky, it's too late, but you should take a picture of him every day and make a cool timelapse Jul 13 01:41:46 my user page on the wiki Jul 13 01:42:09 oh, I have 4 years' worth Jul 13 01:42:31 I mean make him recreate a consistent pose every time Jul 13 01:42:44 for science! Jul 13 01:42:50 there's enough here that I could probably do that Jul 13 01:42:51 I tested the battery not exploding yesterday,several hours in direct sunlight Jul 13 01:42:58 once every 2-4 weeks Jul 13 01:43:07 KrisAbsinthe, okay that's not the picture I meant Jul 13 01:43:10 KrisAbsinthe: how are you connecting it? Jul 13 01:43:31 shimmed the battery Jul 13 01:43:45 KrisAbsinthe: what's the maximum output of the panel? Jul 13 01:44:14 5v 20ma Jul 13 01:44:27 KrisAbsinthe: that won't do much. Jul 13 01:44:43 cant risk too much Jul 13 01:45:01 ill recheck that ampreage Jul 13 01:45:10 KrisAbsinthe: even in full sun, that's about enough to stretch battery life by 10-15% when on. Jul 13 01:45:30 KrisAbsinthe: and when off, it's enough to overcharge the battery possibly. Jul 13 01:46:20 (depending on your GSM firmware version0 Jul 13 01:46:24 I may have to build a realy small charging unit Jul 13 01:46:56 there is a bit of space in the speaker housing Jul 13 01:47:22 gg 4.2v shunt regulator Jul 13 01:47:23 oos Jul 13 01:48:00 bbl Jul 13 01:51:10 KrisAbsinthe: something like http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tlv431a.html - set to 4.22V or so across the battery would make it 100% safe Jul 13 02:15:13 oh yeah Jul 13 02:15:28 apparently the screen and definitely it's protector weren't mean for full sun :P Jul 13 02:15:38 -' Jul 13 02:15:50 Dave: what happened? Jul 13 02:16:39 presumably can't see the display in full sunlight Jul 13 02:17:05 FR is not compatiable with California Jul 13 02:17:17 They are - but only for vampires. Jul 13 02:17:32 I see Jul 13 02:17:35 and blackulas Jul 13 02:18:07 * Chocky hums at ScardeyCat images. Jul 13 02:19:00 i've got the basis down for a simplistic program that turns on/off wifi and connects to a network Jul 13 02:19:12 (a pre-defined network) Jul 13 02:19:22 wastrel, what about scott bakulas? Jul 13 02:19:23 basically runs wpa_supplicant, and hopes it sees something Jul 13 02:19:33 #!/bin/sh; iwconfig ..; ifconfig ... Jul 13 02:20:31 Advice: Don't leave your freerunner in a hot car, during the day :D Jul 13 02:20:36 eh, not quite that, it's a gui Jul 13 02:20:47 Dave: did teh screen melt? Jul 13 02:21:07 it was! Jul 13 02:21:13 (beginning to) Jul 13 02:21:20 woo! Jul 13 02:21:22 I would assume it would get really dark but then clear back to normal as it cooled down again Jul 13 02:21:22 how bad is it? Jul 13 02:21:37 the protector on it had already bubbled, shriveled up melted, within an hour Jul 13 02:21:49 two hours after that, I came back and was like... rut roh Jul 13 02:21:49 damn Jul 13 02:22:03 Do what to roh? Jul 13 02:22:12 I'm not sure he'd like that. Jul 13 02:22:18 any permenant damage? Jul 13 02:22:26 haha Jul 13 02:22:28 :P Jul 13 02:22:43 Speedevil, you never know... ;) Jul 13 02:23:02 Dave: so you can read the display in driect sunlight? Jul 13 02:23:11 wastrel: no Jul 13 02:23:12 just don't leave it in a hot oven eh. ok Jul 13 02:23:17 wastrel: or rather - barely Jul 13 02:23:32 wastrel: if you shield it with your hand, and squint real hard at large print. Jul 13 02:23:34 ok so you can't read the display in direct sunlight AND you can't leave it in a hot oven? Jul 13 02:23:51 well what the hell can you do with it? Jul 13 02:23:53 ;] Jul 13 02:24:39 wastrel: you also can't take it into the shower or swimming pool (especially not if you've eaten in the past 30min) Jul 13 02:24:42 no Jul 13 02:24:54 heh, i've yet to manually dial a call on the ASU... and just when i need to, i find out that when i press 7 i get {, 8 gives [, 9 ], 0 } Jul 13 02:25:02 Speedevil, by then you've probably gone blind by the ambient light, or the reflecting light. Jul 13 02:25:05 :p Jul 13 02:29:16 mooh Jul 13 02:29:38 moolah? Jul 13 02:29:50 Woofe Jul 13 02:30:00 so, do these ScaredyCat images work on FreeRunner? Jul 13 02:30:16 Chocky: I was wondering that as well.... but haven't tried 'em yet Jul 13 02:30:45 in theory, you can't brick a Freerunner by flashing the wrong image.... right? Jul 13 02:30:55 correct. Jul 13 02:31:14 the BIOS cant get to a tftp flashable state or soething? Jul 13 02:31:22 a la wrt54g etc Jul 13 02:31:24 uboot. BIOS is an x86 thing Jul 13 02:31:25 if you don't figure it out, I'll give it a try tomorrow Jul 13 02:31:55 ja: I don't think you can overwrite the NOR FLASH w/o a dev board Jul 13 02:39:35 okay, where do i go to submit a bug report for the ASU_ Jul 13 02:39:36 ? Jul 13 02:40:08 if connect to a computer via usb, the numbers 7 8 9 0 cannot be used on any input method... but they work perfectly once you take out the usb cable Jul 13 02:40:39 yep ":p Jul 13 02:40:45 this is known_ Jul 13 02:40:45 ? Jul 13 02:41:06 Well, I know about it... Jul 13 02:41:11 heh Jul 13 02:49:25 SpeedEvil: Thanks Jul 13 02:50:05 wtf... i just registered on docs.openmoko.org and my email verification token was "MUGGaabe" Jul 13 02:51:37 Tsvangirai++ Jul 13 02:53:19 indeed Jul 13 02:53:39 and there are 3 tickets for that issue already up, one dating back 4 months Jul 13 02:54:09 :Phttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_file_systems&oldid=220529437#Features Jul 13 02:54:11 apparently if you even just plug in the usb wall charger it still does it Jul 13 02:54:14 lawls Jul 13 02:54:21 yeah it's a known issue Jul 13 02:54:35 one of the other images even has a similar issue Jul 13 02:54:40 though they are completely unrelated :P **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 13 02:59:57 2008