**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 22 02:59:57 2008 Jul 22 03:00:36 Stroller: o ,thx Jul 22 03:04:16 dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-2.6.24+git23+1d04b142ffeaa15129f046751f1366b0f0614f47-r0-om-gta02.bin gives me: No such Alternate Setting: "kernel" Jul 22 03:04:53 even though backup found: Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=11, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=3, name="kernel" Jul 22 03:07:02 LetoTo: weiiiiird. Jul 22 03:07:05 LetoTo: dfu-utl -v Jul 22 03:07:27 [root@bofh openmoko]# dfu-util -v Jul 22 03:07:27 dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. Jul 22 03:07:28 LetoTo: sudo ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D ./uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin Jul 22 03:07:30 then the usage Jul 22 03:07:42 I tried -a 6 instead of -a "rootfs" Jul 22 03:08:04 but that does not work either Jul 22 03:10:49 Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=11, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED" Jul 22 03:10:49 Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=11, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=1, name="UNDEFINED" Jul 22 03:10:49 Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=11, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=2, name="UNDEFINED" Jul 22 03:10:56 hmm, they're all named "undefined" ? Jul 22 03:11:19 odd, because while backing up, it found "kernel" and "rootfs" names Jul 22 03:12:04 dfu-util -a kernel -R -U testme.bin now also fails. guess i managed to do something bad :P Jul 22 03:12:13 * Stroller is going to name his firstborn child "UNDEFINED" Jul 22 03:12:37 Stroller: and walk him(or her) in a ... stroller? Jul 22 03:12:44 :P Jul 22 03:12:47 :) Jul 22 03:12:52 sorry, couldn't resist Jul 22 03:12:58 We don't have those in Olde Englande Jul 22 03:13:05 irony? Jul 22 03:13:31 Child Strollers Jul 22 03:13:47 hi.. will there be localization of openmoko apps and the base system? Jul 22 03:13:51 Prams? Jul 22 03:14:00 yeah, I know Jul 22 03:14:21 I was just saying that it's cool that your name is stroller, but you don't have them where you live Jul 22 03:14:59 tenzind__: if we (the community) cares enough to do it Jul 22 03:17:42 Yasumoto: The community should care enough to do it.. i suppose ... Jul 22 03:17:58 haha, yeah Jul 22 03:18:11 I think it'll happen, it just takes time Jul 22 03:19:55 would love to showoff my phone with all the interface/usage in my local language to my friends .. :-) Jul 22 03:20:11 we can barely get a phone that makes calls, localization is pretty far off Jul 22 03:20:12 definitely Jul 22 03:20:21 ferric: brutal Jul 22 03:20:41 (unfortunately) Jul 22 03:20:52 tenzind__: I have no idea if localization's on the table or anything, but a wiki/mailing list search might help Jul 22 03:21:04 worst case, send something to the community list Jul 22 03:22:19 be back later Jul 22 03:32:25 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r29c5961b995a 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Sort the entries with FILENAME by alphabet ordering. Jul 22 03:37:36 rwhitby: ping? Jul 22 03:38:07 ferric: whassup? Jul 22 03:58:10 i've modified /etc/pulse/session to use a different sample for my incoming ring, and the correct sound plays. however, the repeat rate is fixed, and is about a third the length of the sample, which just sounds awful. Jul 22 04:03:41 who's idea was it to do things like that Jul 22 04:03:46 whose :p Jul 22 04:03:51 hahaha Jul 22 04:03:53 owned. Jul 22 04:04:16 love the grammar you have there Chocky Jul 22 04:04:23 good! Jul 22 04:04:33 Chocky! Jul 22 04:04:41 D! Jul 22 04:04:43 whose is it Jul 22 04:05:04 Dave i read through the logs of the trouble you had the other day Jul 22 04:05:15 inospeakenglish or somethin Jul 22 04:05:47 Hmm? Jul 22 04:06:08 oh, you mean with that troll from earlier today? Jul 22 04:06:13 yea Jul 22 04:06:16 oh, pfft Jul 22 04:06:18 whatever :p Jul 22 04:06:29 Was it really worth reading? Jul 22 04:06:34 :) Jul 22 04:07:12 http://www.elearnenglishlanguage.com/difficulties/whoswhose.html i think i'm in the right on this issue Jul 22 04:07:48 oh shit i guess i'm wrong Jul 22 04:07:55 heehee Jul 22 04:07:56 lol. yes, you were wrong Jul 22 04:08:00 surprise! Jul 22 04:08:10 thats bullshit Jul 22 04:08:11 * Chocky empoken Debian some more. Jul 22 04:08:20 english is awesome, isn't it? Jul 22 04:08:25 Hardly. Jul 22 04:08:30 =P Jul 22 04:08:36 clusterfuck of nonsense Jul 22 04:08:38 Esperanto! Jul 22 04:08:46 :D Jul 22 04:08:57 teehee Jul 22 04:09:04 Rules of English aren't all that complex. German is probably worse. Jul 22 04:10:45 has no one else encountered the fact that the incoming ring tone is repeated at a fixed rate? Jul 22 04:11:00 rootfs 469M 460M 0 100% / Jul 22 04:11:02 :o Jul 22 04:11:05 * kd8ikt hasnt felt compelled to change it Jul 22 04:12:37 thats about as bad of programming as my bash script Jul 22 04:13:40 so if i put a big mp3 as a ringer only the first 3 sec or so would repeat? Jul 22 04:14:47 Uhm.. How do you configure 2007.2 for WAP? Jul 22 04:15:37 you mean using the GSM modem as a modem Jul 22 04:15:49 kd8ikt: yeah that's how it seems to work Jul 22 04:16:04 pptp or somethin its in the wiki Jul 22 04:16:45 Ah, so they don't refer to it as WAP? Jul 22 04:16:54 never Jul 22 04:17:07 That explains a lot Jul 22 04:17:19 look for GSM stuff Jul 22 04:17:34 Will do Jul 22 04:27:08 heh Jul 22 04:27:18 if my freerunner is hooked to a linux behind a router on usb ,,how do i access the internet to opkg Jul 22 04:27:29 read the wiki. Jul 22 04:27:31 USB networking Jul 22 04:27:33 a linux box# Jul 22 04:27:46 ok Jul 22 04:27:54 just got back from a pretty good wardrive+GPS blanketed a pretty good size area Jul 22 04:29:27 LoVeTeHoNesLiKeThiS UsIngJuSt WeP Jul 22 04:30:41 makes me want to go crack it and poison/dos him bringing his network to its knees Jul 22 04:33:26 lol best one o've seen "VIRUS DETECTED" as the ssid Jul 22 04:36:06 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd49544643878 10/ (conf/checksums.ini packages/iotop/iotop_0.2.1.bb): [iotop] Add iotop 0.2.1 to OpenEmbedded/Openmoko Jul 22 04:36:07 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r0ba774e2b926 10/packages/iotop/iotop_0.2.1.bb: [iotop] Make the installed package work Jul 22 04:36:07 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rcf019255ecaa 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add python-gst Jul 22 04:36:08 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r20f0f60bc0e9 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add iotop to the feed Jul 22 04:36:11 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r68b7ebaecb0a 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add pdf viewers to the feed Jul 22 04:43:08 hi girls ;-) Jul 22 04:43:26 does anyone installed navit to the Freerunner ? Jul 22 04:45:22 ernst, they haven't gotten the phonecalls working 100% reliably, few have tried strange apps yet Jul 22 04:45:27 hehe Jul 22 04:45:56 ok Jul 22 04:46:34 i have installad navit but hut i have no gps signal Jul 22 04:47:03 it's not the same like 1973 Jul 22 04:48:30 wtf is navit Jul 22 04:49:36 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r4c2368b1670f 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add python-gst Jul 22 04:49:36 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rb98740d0a7d8 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add iotop to the feed Jul 22 04:49:36 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r320853333ad5 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add pdf viewers to the feed Jul 22 04:49:37 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * ra040bd85ad80 10/conf/checksums.ini: Merge commit 'origin/org.openmoko.asu.dev' into org.openmoko.asu.dev Jul 22 04:53:21 alright Jul 22 04:53:23 score Jul 22 04:53:43 I just accidentally called my father, thought I hung up before it dialed, except it went through anyway Jul 22 04:53:56 *doh* Jul 22 05:02:30 can the freerunner play WoW? Jul 22 05:02:50 yes, Jul 22 05:05:48 looks like the usb port was weirded out on my host Jul 22 05:06:05 I see that a bit too Jul 22 05:06:08 looking for any comments/suggestions on a test layout i made for a wifi selector Jul 22 05:06:15 http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/wifi/aplist.png Jul 22 05:06:23 http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/wifi/status.png Jul 22 05:06:45 och. Jul 22 05:07:27 no channel # in output? Jul 22 05:07:54 i can add that Jul 22 05:08:02 not sure about mentioning "eth0" to endusers :) Jul 22 05:08:16 i also just realised i didn't give current ap status info... heh Jul 22 05:08:23 other then that, looks ok to me Jul 22 05:08:53 though i havent seen ASU yet, just 2007.02. not sure how the look and feel is different Jul 22 05:09:37 the UI there is working in so much that all the widgets are in place and the functions to set them are there... but it's just a UI at present Jul 22 05:10:02 i think i am going to write the backend in C, and use sqlite for storing info Jul 22 05:10:21 why sqlite? Jul 22 05:10:28 at some point, if people are actually interested, i could port the UI to C too Jul 22 05:10:30 to store? 20 AP's? Jul 22 05:10:39 because it simplifies a LOT Jul 22 05:10:56 having plaintext might be easier for other software to use it too Jul 22 05:10:57 since i plan on using wpa_supplicant to handle just about everything with the connection Jul 22 05:10:59 ieatlint, hurry up and finish that app :) Jul 22 05:11:12 other software can use sqlite :P Jul 22 05:11:19 :P Jul 22 05:11:30 will see, the backend will be the faster part to write Jul 22 05:11:39 frontend is a real bitch with all these gtk widgets Jul 22 05:11:42 据斯坦 Jul 22 05:16:00 i just lost a gadget inside AUX key when open my freerunner box Jul 22 05:17:37 i should also be able to pretty easily allow people to hide columns in the ap list they don't care about Jul 22 05:19:08 oh, and all the buttons/selections can be done with a finger, if you're wondering :P Jul 22 05:39:46 w00t bash is fun Jul 22 05:40:23 explain() Jul 22 05:41:05 or more like explanation() <-- goes through the code block i just worked on without having to do all the BS again Jul 22 05:41:11 functions Jul 22 05:51:28 how to get a freerunner? Jul 22 05:52:26 dpaterso: check the website Jul 22 05:52:36 thank you, Jul 22 05:52:46 in canada .... ordered it..... has not yet come Jul 22 05:52:51 dpaterso: www.openmoko.com Jul 22 05:53:06 thanx cvirus Jul 22 05:53:09 Did they take your money? Jul 22 05:53:22 in russia freerunner order you Jul 22 05:53:33 not sure.... it was sent as PO from my place of work Jul 22 05:54:00 if they withdrew money then it's on it's way Jul 22 05:54:09 perfect carrar Jul 22 05:54:14 I can't wait to get it. Jul 22 05:54:21 you can Jul 22 05:54:26 lol Jul 22 05:54:37 not good? Jul 22 05:54:47 well it's for expirementing only Jul 22 05:55:03 carrar: Jul 22 05:55:06 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN_AUTO#.2Fbin.2Fsh Jul 22 05:55:13 heh look at my script sofar Jul 22 05:55:22 today i can make calls again Jul 22 05:55:27 with the new release Jul 22 05:55:42 not that I am really using it to make calls Jul 22 05:55:50 haha Jul 22 05:55:55 # OMG i'm programming now!# Jul 22 05:55:56 oh i thought you meant Jul 22 05:56:02 Calls() Jul 22 05:56:13 haha Jul 22 05:56:13 heh Jul 22 05:56:20 yeah bash rocks that way Jul 22 05:56:23 API calls() Jul 22 05:56:26 thats how init scripts are mostly written Jul 22 05:56:34 restart() Jul 22 05:56:37 start() Jul 22 05:56:38 yeah but they always scared me Jul 22 05:56:39 etc... Jul 22 05:56:44 not anymore I bet Jul 22 05:56:56 will it sync with Mac addressbook? Jul 22 05:57:01 hahah Jul 22 05:57:04 i knew where i could edit and the functions i stayed away from Jul 22 05:57:04 no Jul 22 05:57:20 dpaterso, sounds like you want a iPhone Jul 22 05:57:28 noshit Jul 22 05:57:32 it's no iPhone Jul 22 05:57:33 you hurt me Jul 22 05:57:38 hehe Jul 22 05:57:49 that kind of macintalk hertz me Jul 22 05:57:50 it's a development platform Jul 22 05:57:54 that is the last thing I want... Jul 22 05:58:00 dpaterso: right now, you'll be lucky if it makes calls :) Jul 22 05:58:00 Sorry kd Jul 22 05:58:06 lol coc Jul 22 05:58:08 doc Jul 22 05:58:11 :( Jul 22 05:58:12 yeah yesterday I couldn't make any calls Jul 22 05:58:18 mac is for end user and not really meant for personalization Jul 22 05:58:18 but it's ok Jul 22 05:58:21 I have a phone Jul 22 05:58:26 for making calls Jul 22 05:58:40 I use mac Jul 22 05:58:46 i never used my phone much so... Jul 22 05:58:46 ok, so, I've tried asu, it's ass, what should I try next? Jul 22 05:58:56 but I also now have a ubuntu PC just for working with the phone Jul 22 05:59:04 yay Jul 22 05:59:09 carrar: see, now that's overkill :) Jul 22 05:59:17 no, it's nice Jul 22 05:59:18 I like ubuntu pc.... debian based, yes? Jul 22 05:59:21 :) Jul 22 05:59:24 this laptop is running ubuntu Jul 22 05:59:34 latest 8 release Jul 22 05:59:50 building ubuntu pkgz isnt an easy task though Jul 22 05:59:54 weird, qtopia works fine on my gta01 without a sim but if i put one in it boots and instantly goes to a black window with tiny blinking cursor in the top left Jul 22 05:59:58 <---- running MINT on mac laptop Jul 22 06:00:33 I was a freebsd person before osx Jul 22 06:00:59 mint looks neat i've been wanting to install / mess with it Jul 22 06:01:14 I really like it Jul 22 06:01:49 what pkgz manager does it use Jul 22 06:01:59 apt Jul 22 06:02:33 Ubuntu 8.04.1 Jul 22 06:02:35 there Jul 22 06:03:11 someone was telling me about program returns Jul 22 06:03:27 error=1 Jul 22 06:03:28 kd8, did you see this? Jul 22 06:03:29 http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/wifi/aplist.png Jul 22 06:03:35 http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/wifi/status.png Jul 22 06:03:43 ew i want it Jul 22 06:03:52 but i still want my auto script Jul 22 06:03:56 heh Jul 22 06:04:22 ieatlint> looking for any comments/suggestions on a test layout i made for a wifi selector Jul 22 06:04:59 oh its not finished yet? Jul 22 06:05:06 no Jul 22 06:05:17 So you have the upper hand Jul 22 06:05:21 heh Jul 22 06:05:47 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r490386d82ca1 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Remove the duplicate entry Jul 22 06:05:52 need a hand doing the slave work? Jul 22 06:06:06 it's not mine Jul 22 06:06:07 like appending WPA.conf junk Jul 22 06:06:16 oh Jul 22 06:06:23 it's "ieatlint" Jul 22 06:06:43 *** ieatlint : ieatlint@tehinterweb.com (ieatlint) [Commercial] Jul 22 06:06:54 i need to spend more time on the shell before i can graduate to UI's Jul 22 06:08:34 I am waiting for my phone - Is there something I can do to get familiar with the software before it comes? Jul 22 06:09:59 read the getting started page Jul 22 06:10:12 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_Overview Jul 22 06:10:13 thanx carrar Jul 22 06:11:07 get dfu-util working Jul 22 06:11:13 You'll be using it Jul 22 06:11:30 evening railer Jul 22 06:12:01 hey Jul 22 06:12:10 i'm still working on the UI stuff Jul 22 06:12:21 there he is Jul 22 06:12:23 it's kinda annoying :P Jul 22 06:12:24 so how goes the perl commands Jul 22 06:12:33 got that done yet ieatlint? ;) Jul 22 06:12:39 I'm ready to install it :) Jul 22 06:12:45 do what? Jul 22 06:12:59 I just got here, get me up to speed... Jul 22 06:13:07 uhm, it'll be a bit before it's actually working Jul 22 06:13:15 I just not getting back to that perl app Jul 22 06:13:19 not=now Jul 22 06:13:30 i'm going to finish up the UI so it's usable (but incomplete -- eg, no sorting rows in the ap list at first) Jul 22 06:13:40 then throw together a backend Jul 22 06:19:14 is the Freerunner great? Jul 22 06:20:00 define great..... Jul 22 06:20:02 I saw "roughly drafted" crappin all over the open moko concept Jul 22 06:20:32 what is a roughly drafted? Jul 22 06:21:05 He is a Macboy Jul 22 06:21:13 www.roughlydrafted.com Jul 22 06:22:21 http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/07/apples-iphone-vs-smartphone-software-makers/ Jul 22 06:22:25 eh, Jul 22 06:23:17 from my reading he was negative about the prospects for the open moko phone concept. Jul 22 06:23:31 I am hoping he is wrong. Like the concept very much. Jul 22 06:23:37 from my reading everything about apple is perfect :p Jul 22 06:23:53 yah.... I agree. Jul 22 06:24:02 gotta love the DRM Jul 22 06:24:38 iphone pricing in Canada is robbery. Jul 22 06:26:06 cu Jul 22 06:26:55 " With the iPhone, Apple is embracing both open source and freeware as well as commercial application development." = Apple sues clone maker Psystar Jul 22 06:27:30 I'm sure I can trust apple to let me hack their stuff........................ Jul 22 06:27:44 heh Jul 22 06:29:34 is it normal for qtopia to show a flashing cursor under qtopia? Jul 22 06:29:37 not only sue them Jul 22 06:29:39 ah. there we go Jul 22 06:29:49 but forcing them to recall all their sold products Jul 22 06:29:53 haha Jul 22 06:29:55 good luck Jul 22 06:30:38 hehehe, qtopia's key -> lock just gave me a really 18+ idea for a phone unlocking symbol :o Jul 22 06:31:53 the article is just.... lies..... there is really nothing more to say, to pretend HISTORICALLY apple has not been the most close minded to third party apps and publishing their OS on any other platform other then their own, is delusional at it's greatest Jul 22 06:34:45 hmmm, qtopia just completely locked up on me Jul 22 06:37:04 pull the battery, start over Jul 22 06:48:41 morning (UGT) Jul 22 06:50:11 dangint Jul 22 06:50:24 dang fullkeyboard glitches Jul 22 06:50:35 0 becomes }}} Jul 22 06:54:35 morning Jul 22 07:00:19 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ that right a 40x40 grid of rectangles! Jul 22 07:00:23 Thanx railer - I agree with what you said about that article Jul 22 07:01:22 dpaterso: if you're older than 12 and know the history of Apple then you know it's joke Jul 22 07:01:47 I am.... and I do... Jul 22 07:02:49 # wpa_supplicant -ieth0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -B Jul 22 07:02:49 ioctl[PRISM2_IOCTL_HOSTAPD]: Operation not supported Jul 22 07:02:54 what package repo should I use with the scardy cat images? Jul 22 07:03:13 iphone pricing in Canada ought to be a crime... and those "plans" - it is wrong. Jul 22 07:04:51 The way I see it, If I can have a browser that works from wifi and an unlocked GSM phone.... Life is good Jul 22 07:05:45 From what peeps were saying earlier, making a call on the Freerunner right now is a challenge. Jul 22 07:07:17 dpaterso: I seem to have pretty good luck makeing & receiving calls Jul 22 07:07:58 great pantsd!! I have ordered my phone, but it has not come yet. Jul 22 07:08:06 What it hard to set up? Jul 22 07:08:21 good morning Jul 22 07:08:26 not really. I'm still futzing around with gprs & the like Jul 22 07:08:39 can't wait.... Jul 22 07:08:48 where r u? Jul 22 07:09:03 well I wouldn't make it my primary phone yet, it's a little buggy but this to shall pass Jul 22 07:09:24 does it access the net via wifi? Jul 22 07:09:55 I am hoping to use the WIFI at my university workplace, without any dataplan. Can it do this? Jul 22 07:10:39 I've made a couple dozen phone calls on it, echoie sound, and for a while weird lag, but I think that was a carrier thing, other then that fine, oh and the battery life sucks Jul 22 07:11:04 dpaterso: the wifi is usable, but it needs to be configured via the console, I believe there's no GUI for that yet Jul 22 07:11:34 thanks vpv.... I prefer the console. Jul 22 07:11:35 wifi GUI is needed BADLY Jul 22 07:12:36 hrms :P Jul 22 07:12:39 perl freaks around? Jul 22 07:12:43 It bugs me that I don't have this thing to play with now..... Jul 22 07:12:54 yarh :( Jul 22 07:12:59 waiting is sadsauce Jul 22 07:13:13 my home has Mac Airport. Can the freerunner connect through that? Jul 22 07:15:09 how can i test if a s/foo/bar pattern si valid? Jul 22 07:15:55 doc|home: what were you doing when it locked up? Jul 22 07:21:05 looking for help getting USB networking going. I changed the information in /etc/network/interfaces to 192.168.1.22. I added 192.168.1.21 to my desktop and added a route over usb0. I'm now ssh'd into the phone. However I can't resolve DNS. I've tried 192.168.1.21 as my nameserver (which doesn't run bind) and 192.168.1.1 which does Jul 22 07:21:49 desktop (1.21) is ubtuntu, 192.168.1.1 if freebsd gateway/fw/named Jul 22 07:22:12 s/if/is/ Jul 22 07:22:12 Yashy meant: desktop (1.21) is ubtuntu, 192.168.1.1 is freebsd gateway/fw/named Jul 22 07:22:48 dont suppose anyone want to help me go debug my script Jul 22 07:23:26 my brain/eyes hurt from looking at it Jul 22 07:23:32 what lang? Jul 22 07:23:36 bash Jul 22 07:23:59 I'll look but can promise anything Jul 22 07:24:14 i dare not run it just yet, need it to run through my mind but i dont think my mind is fresh enough to do it Jul 22 07:24:24 Yashy: Don't set the usb in same subnet as other nic's. I've got desktop 192.168.0.200 and phone 192.168.0.202 and in phone's resolv.conf 192.168.1.1 which is the router. Jul 22 07:24:41 Hey I was wondering about the status of the availability of FRs Jul 22 07:24:50 I'd like to buy one in about 1 month. Jul 22 07:25:02 Will they be available for purchase then? I am in the US if that means anything. Jul 22 07:25:14 lymeca: They are already available Jul 22 07:25:17 lymeca: openmoko.com Jul 22 07:25:50 tessier: Oh, sorry, I was thrown off by the channel topic. Jul 22 07:25:53 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN_AUTO#.2Fbin.2Fsh Jul 22 07:25:55 Why does it say that? Jul 22 07:26:09 probably because the first batch was sold Jul 22 07:26:22 Oh...You can probably still place an order, just might be a few days before it ships. Jul 22 07:26:23 there should be more soonish I think Jul 22 07:26:30 I heard they were getting more on the 24th or something like that Jul 22 07:26:33 Should be just a few days Jul 22 07:26:59 Will the phones on this second batch ship with the exact same build of software? Jul 22 07:27:00 I would love to know the numbers sold Jul 22 07:27:32 Or even, were all the FRs shipped thus far have the same build of software? Jul 22 07:27:44 lymeca, sounds likely, but dunno; in any case, the default is pretty old Jul 22 07:29:31 anyone know where there is a tutorial on making themes? Jul 22 07:30:22 mjr: I think I love this project already and I'm convinced to buy a FR. But is it really 100% free? Jul 22 07:30:37 lymeca, the GNU/Linux system on the soc is Jul 22 07:30:56 mjr: You know how the XO-1 laptop has a Free BIOS but depends on proprietary firmware for the wireless card driver? Jul 22 07:30:59 then you have the non-free gsm, gps, wifi, bluetooth and gpu chip firmwares Jul 22 07:31:13 Aye Jul 22 07:31:14 shite Jul 22 07:31:45 So are at least the drivers for those components free? Jul 22 07:31:59 (all on their own chips so you don't really have to deal with those, just know they're there ;] ) Jul 22 07:32:11 linux-side drivers are free Jul 22 07:32:18 For EVERYTHING? Jul 22 07:32:19 sheesh Jul 22 07:32:35 So the binary firmwares are on ROMs in each device or something? Jul 22 07:32:42 more or less Jul 22 07:32:44 Not where the GNU+Linux system is? Jul 22 07:32:47 I would think flash roms but yea Jul 22 07:32:54 Where is the GNU+Linux software stack anyway? Jul 22 07:32:59 SD card? Jul 22 07:33:06 Rakshasa: It shouldn't be an issue if they're on the same subnet? Jul 22 07:33:14 no, there's an internal 256M flash chip Jul 22 07:33:27 And how much of that does the default OPenMoko stack take up? Jul 22 07:33:34 without adding packages onto it. Jul 22 07:34:54 (you can run off of sd too but it's slower) Jul 22 07:42:38 http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/wifi/aplistnew.png Jul 22 07:42:47 (not dummy data, actually scanned) Jul 22 07:45:20 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r5c411d21d16a 10/classes/java.bbclass: java.bbclass: Jul 22 07:45:20 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * rbc2833440894 10/packages/ (8 files in 6 dirs): merge of 'ba2394dc8bed77043b229f3e5c42b4b69aeca918' Jul 22 07:45:21 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r2fc7c9593a74 10/classes/java.bbclass: merge of '613d006a5a3c8c6629c2a0b9a905bfc4a80484ca' Jul 22 07:45:22 openmoko: 03crofton 07org.openembedded.dev * r45c400d622d0 10/ (7 files in 4 dirs): linux-xilinx-slab : Modify kernel bb file for xilinx based ppc boards using Jul 22 07:45:25 openmoko: 03crofton 07org.openembedded.dev * r0c42f4501472 10/ (7 files in 6 dirs): merge of 'a1c5133ec8dfc7768c8883c8aa89593ce01f57cb' Jul 22 07:45:28 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * re23aa16fcfb5 10/classes/java.bbclass: merge of '1b17ea5d09e29a9b9960e907c6a56908b349ff98' Jul 22 07:45:31 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r56289d91b324 10/packages/ (16 files in 4 dirs): First patch in a series of olsr cleanups Jul 22 07:45:34 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * ra27dbdfa5754 10/packages/olsr/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Second part of OLSR cleanup. Jul 22 07:45:37 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r83f27ead66ab 10/packages/ (18 files in 4 dirs): Last part of OLSR cleanup Jul 22 07:45:46 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r50f680793cfc 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix small oversights in OLSR cleanup Jul 22 07:45:49 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r6ce9d36de1bf 10/packages/obsolete/ (28 files in 5 dirs): Removing recipes that are untouched for months from obsolete/ Jul 22 07:45:52 I was on here earlier and met Kat Von D Jul 22 07:45:52 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * rec450d3ac9a6 10/packages/obsolete/jamvm/.mtn2git_empty: obsolete/jamvm: Removed empty directory. Jul 22 07:45:55 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r2426703bcacd 10/packages/cacao/ (11 files in 2 dirs): cacao: Cleanup and new recipe. Jul 22 07:45:55 Anyone willing to help me debug USB networking or wifi with WPA? Any help debugging either is appreciated. Jul 22 07:45:58 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r7a8cae0d379f 10/packages/cacao/ (11 files in 2 dirs): disapproval of revision 'ba3fd04d7fb91b031d23b8b8abdfd77186ece799' Jul 22 07:46:01 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r28bf42030bf5 10/packages/cacao/ (12 files in 2 dirs): Add a new cacao revision and add support for changed configure options (new in 0.99) Jul 22 07:46:10 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r3bbe42df8f08 10/packages/midpath/ (44 files in 2 dirs): Removal of midpath 0.1, addition of midpath 0.3 rc1 Jul 22 07:46:13 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * ra0c1e1daf451 10/conf/distro/ (include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc openmoko.conf): Remove uses of midpath 0.1 and replace with what is needed for 0.3. Jul 22 07:46:18 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r7d69de9767ae 10/packages/midpath/ (midpath-maemo_0.2+0.3rc1.bb midpath-openmoko_0.2+0.3rc1.bb): midpath-maemo 0.2+0.3rc1: Added pnum 0 to patch. Jul 22 07:46:21 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r5cc06a8ea694 10/packages/cacao/files/cacao-0.99.1-build-java-runtime-library-classes.patch: cacao 0.99.1: Added missing patch file to repository. Jul 22 07:46:24 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r21213637bc5f 10/conf/distro/chinook-compat.conf: chinook-compat: Added libsdl-mixer version preference to 1.2.6. Jul 22 07:46:31 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * rbb4f0ea256cd 10/packages/midpath/files/midpath-launcher-j2se: midpath: Allow overriding the JAVA executable in start script Jul 22 07:46:34 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * rf1d1cfd5034f 10/packages/jamvm/ (jamvm.inc jamvm_1.4.5.bb jamvm_1.5.0.bb jamvm_1.5.1.bb): jamvm: Lowered update-alternatives to 5 (lesser than cacao). Jul 22 07:46:43 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r9e2d27c5c989 10/packages/cacao/cacao_0.98+hg20080519.bb: cacao 0.98+hg20080519: Removed superfluous \ from SRC_URI. Jul 22 07:46:46 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * ra1528a669d48 10/packages/cacao/ (3 files in 2 dirs): cacao-native 0.99.1: New recipe. Jul 22 07:46:49 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r43a05bb80fb3 10/packages/cacao/ (3 files in 2 dirs): disapproval of revision 'a846a4c23e94c3e771fd7aaf448e8bb4e11f4506' Jul 22 07:46:54 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r47ae051fbbca 10/packages/cacao/ (cacao-native.inc cacao-native_0.99.1.bb): cacao-native 0.99.1: New recipe. Jul 22 07:46:57 openmoko: 03hrw 07org.openembedded.dev * r9b4cd88c4a4c 10/conf/distro/chinook-compat.conf: chinook-compat: make it more Maemo compatible Jul 22 07:47:00 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r9bc3433674b9 10/packages/freesmartphone/frameworkd_git.bb: frameworkd git needs python-shell now Jul 22 07:47:02 dpaterso: does she have a OM tatoo? Jul 22 07:47:07 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r7a8b7b731dfd 10/ (136 files in 23 dirs): merge of '28c74aa25680384c6f311fd8f4123ddb27c1ba65' Jul 22 07:47:10 openmoko: 03hrw 07org.openembedded.dev * r857aebaee06b 10/packages/cmake/cmake-native_2.6.0.bb: cmake-native: added 2.6.0 (from Poky) Jul 22 07:47:13 (104 lines omitted) Jul 22 07:47:15 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r1f6f6c1d7e5b 10/packages/boost/ (boost_1.33.1.bb files/gcc43.patch): boot 1.33.1: add fedora and gentoo patches for gcc 4.3 support and an extra patch hunk stolen from 1.34.1 Jul 22 07:47:25 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r093ebe58f799 10/packages/gnash/ (3 files in 2 dirs): gnash: add missing patch Jul 22 07:47:28 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r9ca61a222d4e 10/packages/swfdec/swfdec-mozilla_0.7.2.bb: swfdec-mozilla: add NPAPI browser plugin for flash, works with webkit Jul 22 07:47:37 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r9b96fabe309a 10/packages/gnash/gnash-minimal.inc: gnash-minimal: depend on libtool, remove PR from .inc Jul 22 07:47:40 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r4bd8725628c8 10/packages/linux/ (linux-2.6.25/at32stk1000/defconfig linux_2.6.25.bb): linux 2.6.25: update at32stk1000 defconfig to include pcmcia->usb drivers Jul 22 07:47:43 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r01c880408513 10/packages/gnuradio/ (gnuradio-3.1.2/gcc43.patch gnuradio_3.1.2.bb): gnuradio: add patch to build against gcc 4.3.x Jul 22 07:47:50 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r9e10560cd1a3 10/packages/gnash/ (gnash-minimal.inc gnash-minimal_0.8.3.bb): gnash-minimal: packaging fixes Jul 22 07:47:53 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r2aff692aa0ef 10/packages/oprofile/oprofile_cvs.bb: oprofile: def_pref -1 the cvs version Jul 22 07:48:02 openmoko: 03steve 07org.openembedded.dev * re3c2a66a9e5e 10/packages/u-boot/ (u-boot-git/beagleboard/base.patch u-boot_git.bb): u-boot git: beagleboard: initialize CM_CLKSEL_DSS register Jul 22 07:48:05 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * re12d33e77547 10/packages/ipkg-utils/ (2 files): ipkg-utils*: fix PR values. OE doesn't use split PRs, so stop commiting them! Jul 22 07:48:05 seriously how do you change themes and icons? Jul 22 07:48:08 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * rbf169a913b47 10/packages/efl1/emotion_cvs.bb: emaotion: add missing depends spotted by packaged-staging Jul 22 07:48:15 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * rc0c23fd6deab 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs: bump opkg-native Jul 22 07:48:18 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * rd4cbabdc061e 10/packages/angstrom/angstrom-feed-configs.bb: angstrom feed configs: bump PR Jul 22 07:48:27 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * rda82c9e68cad 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): glibc 2.6.1: change optimizations flags for armv7a Jul 22 07:48:30 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r3e51f840243e 10/packages/initscripts/ (initscripts-1.0/arm/alignment.sh initscripts_1.0.bb): initscripts: do not poke at /proc/cpu/alignment on armv7, it slows libavcodec down with 50% Jul 22 07:48:34 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r830b1578125a 10/packages/initscripts/ (initscripts-1.0/arm/alignment.sh initscripts_1.0.bb): initscripts: fix typo in previous commit Jul 22 07:48:41 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r871a3a11f108 10/packages/gnash/gnash-minimal.inc: gnash-minimal: fix depends Jul 22 07:48:44 w00t production Jul 22 07:48:44 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * rc0848ed0b6b6 10/ (36 files in 24 dirs): merge of 'd186ad540510a4f04ab08186965e402582c0b260' Jul 22 07:48:53 openmoko: 03steve 07org.openembedded.dev * r404b325220b3 10/packages/linux/ (3 files in 2 dirs): linux-omap2 git: make beagle resolution a kconfig option Jul 22 07:48:58 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r1201caaabd6f 10/conf/bitbake.conf: bitbake.conf: fix PARALLEL_MAKE, it hasn't been working lately. Patch by Richard Purdie Jul 22 07:49:01 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r023db0801a59 10/packages/sl/sl_3.03.bb: sl: fix parse error Jul 22 07:49:04 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * rcfedfcdbcd64 10/packages/images/beagleboard-demo-image.bb: beagleboard demo image: add swfdec-mozilla Jul 22 07:49:09 (188 lines omitted) Jul 22 07:49:11 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r271ecc8513b8 10/packages/fluidsynth/ (.mtn2git_empty fluidsynth_1.0.8.bb): add fluidsynth, a software synthesizer. bb by thomasg Jul 22 07:49:18 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r03a0fda04c2e 10/packages/ (12 files in 5 dirs): merge of '6effd4b98afa326e66d32ef10490967c420727f4' Jul 22 07:49:25 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r1365b34434ec 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs.inc: bump openmoko-appmanager2 (fixed a configure bug), remove SRCREVS for removed entries Jul 22 07:49:28 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * rb524a2770430 10/packages/openmoko-panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-gsm_svn.bb: openmoko-panel-gsm: DEPEND on libmokogsmd2 Jul 22 07:49:30 lova ya koen +steve + thebohemian Jul 22 07:49:31 openmoko: 03crofton 07org.openembedded.dev * r1cc1699f1866 10/packages/u-boot/u-boot_git.bb: u-boot_git : Update revs for davinci machines davinci EVM and SFF SDR. Jul 22 07:49:36 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r162e620aedfb 10/ (424 files in 147 dirs): merge of '4c6f4640a8b948badde77deaaebbfc2c9959ecae' Jul 22 07:49:43 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r74e103b43911 10/packages/images/ (fso-console-image.bb fso-image-light.bb fso-image.bb): fso-image: add iptables Jul 22 07:49:48 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r26831ac8262c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs.inc: add dates for linux-openmoko-devel and u-boot-openmoko-devel Jul 22 07:49:53 openmoko: 03dirk 07org.openembedded.dev * rc1db4299458e 10/packages/stress/ (stress_0.18.8.bb stress_1.0.0.bb): stress: upgrade to 1.0.0 Jul 22 07:49:56 openmoko: 03utx 07org.openembedded.dev * r19f2e7f5f2e6 10/packages/linux/ (linux-rp-2.6.26/zaurus-i2c-init.patch linux-rp_2.6.26.bb): linux-rp-2.6.26: Added zaurus-i2c-init.patch: Jul 22 07:50:01 openmoko: 03dirk 07org.openembedded.dev * rc6cba73d8be0 10/packages/busybox/ (4 files in 2 dirs): busybox: add new version 1.11.1 Jul 22 07:50:06 openmoko: 03dirk 07org.openembedded.dev * r0b926551a7de 10/packages/linux/ (linux-rp-2.6.26/zaurus-i2c-init.patch linux-rp_2.6.26.bb): merge of '4d0f3853b3c01cedc22908ba269a7658acf2293b' Jul 22 07:50:11 openmoko: 03utx 07org.openembedded.dev * r47dc20d0cbd4 10/packages/linux/linux-rp-2.6.26/zaurus-i2c-init.patch: Typo in poodle chunk fixed. Jul 22 07:50:16 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openembedded.dev * r8689bebbe329 10/packages/linux/ (6 files in 2 dirs): linux-openmoko_2.6.24+git.bb : add squashfs to the build #4437 Jul 22 07:50:19 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * rda393c4232fa 10/packages/freesmartphone/ (4 files in 3 dirs): frameworkd git add button/switches configuration Jul 22 07:50:24 openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openembedded.dev * r88f7761d5c13 10/packages/directfb/ (9 files in 4 dirs): directfb: fixing stuff and update to version 1.1.1 Jul 22 07:50:27 openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openembedded.dev * re1dfb49f6237 10/packages/directfb/ (9 files in 4 dirs): merge of '4c3e95612d7e11dff6afb443db21824d2266449b' Jul 22 07:50:30 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * ra15660b58fc7 10/conf/distro/chinook-compat.conf: chinook-compat: Corrected dbus-glib version number. Jul 22 07:50:35 openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openembedded.dev * r2b2bf62e1905 10/packages/libftdi/ (files/autotools.patch libftdi-native_0.13.bb libftdi_0.13.bb): libftdi: update to version 0.13 Jul 22 07:50:40 openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openembedded.dev * r1f85430e6d4f 10/conf/distro/chinook-compat.conf: merge of '7ddcf7aeb14743db7aec16e7be026e81dd7d1b38' Jul 22 07:50:43 openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openembedded.dev * r575d0177a5c0 10/packages/libftdi/files/autotools.patch: libftdi: remove examples-dir from configure.ac too Jul 22 07:50:48 openmoko: 03crofton 07org.openembedded.dev * r9b87620ed58d 10/packages/linux/ (10 files in 2 dirs): linux-omap2 : Add patches to fix TWL4030 issues. Jul 22 07:50:51 (52 lines omitted) Jul 22 07:50:59 kd8ikt: Im doing an SCM merge Jul 22 07:51:18 SCM? Jul 22 07:51:28 kd8ikt: Source Control System Jul 22 07:52:07 I can't resolve DNS even though I'm ssh'd into the phone; I've tried 192.168.1.21 (ubuntu doesn't run named but I enabled /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward) and 192.168.1.1 (freebsd network gateway that runs named) Jul 22 07:53:49 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rfc4cf0f11cae 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for 42c_skins.tgz Jul 22 07:53:50 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rb5ebd6a709d5 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for free42.tgz Jul 22 07:53:50 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r16f84b16b977 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for nano-2.0.7 Jul 22 07:53:51 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r08604e7b7a48 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for settingsgui-0.8 Jul 22 07:53:54 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rc488cc154454 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for MPlayer-1.0rc2 Jul 22 07:53:57 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r25e65bc387f4 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for midori-0.0.17 Jul 22 07:54:00 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rcc18569f5d6f 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for gnash-0.8.2 Jul 22 07:54:03 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r5f35cafeff72 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for gpe-timesheet-0.32 Jul 22 07:54:06 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r35adeff6d6f7 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for synergy-1.3.1 Jul 22 07:54:09 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r4e00f396b3ab 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for gpe-filemanager-0.30 Jul 22 07:54:12 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * raa15c90026cd 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for swt-3.4M5-gtk-linux-x86.zip Jul 22 07:54:17 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rbc94c3ae9c7d 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for jamvm-1.5.1 Jul 22 07:54:20 Yashy: got a wifi accesspoint? Jul 22 07:54:20 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r53c3d5062e7f 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for poppler-0.6.4 Jul 22 07:54:23 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rbfd9868dce2b 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for x11vnc-0.9.3 Jul 22 07:54:26 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r306500ebf378 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for SDL_net-1.2.7.tar.gz Jul 22 07:54:31 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * raebb4501b216 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for tangoGPS-0.7.tar.gz Jul 22 07:54:34 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r8d40c18d2132 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for wxWidgets-2.8.7.tar.gz Jul 22 07:54:34 * kd8ikt finds it hard to believe there couldnt be a wifi AP around Jul 22 07:54:39 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re447b3e23f86 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for qtopia-opensource-src-4.3.1.tar.gz Jul 22 07:54:44 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r3ff2667f383d 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for asterisk-1.4.17 Jul 22 07:55:25 kd8ikt any guesses how to change the theme? Jul 22 07:56:10 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Today Jul 22 07:56:33 ew neato i see major updates Jul 22 07:57:04 the mage i knew and loved is gone Jul 22 07:57:08 page* Jul 22 07:57:12 found it thanks Jul 22 07:57:57 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Today/2007.2 Jul 22 07:59:23 I can't resolve DNS even though I'm ssh'd into the phone; I've tried 192.168.1.21 (ubuntu doesn't run named but I enabled /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward) and 192.168.1.1 (freebsd network gateway that runs named) in resolv.conf to no avail. Any help is appreciated. Jul 22 08:01:46 http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=3z6KmWSpcPo Jul 22 08:02:02 Yashy: what's your /etc/network/interfaces look like on your computer? Jul 22 08:02:22 and what's /etc/resolv.conf on your phone? Jul 22 08:05:57 # cat /etc/resolv.conf Jul 22 08:05:57 nameserver 192.168.1.21 Jul 22 08:05:57 nameserver 192.168.1.10 Jul 22 08:07:29 Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface Jul 22 08:07:29 192.168.1.22 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 usb0 Jul 22 08:14:11 Does that help? Jul 22 08:15:16 Yashy, you also need to enable another interface on the host Jul 22 08:20:44 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 Jul 22 08:20:44 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 Jul 22 08:20:51 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.10 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 Jul 22 08:20:56 is the rest of netstat -r Jul 22 08:20:57 n Jul 22 08:28:16 Yashy: http://pastebin.com/d76835b5e Jul 22 08:28:33 act Jul 22 08:28:34 *ack Jul 22 08:28:35 wait Jul 22 08:29:20 Yashy: http://pastebin.com/d5a5a3e29 Jul 22 08:29:22 there we go Jul 22 08:35:16 anyone else experiancing an issue editing the wiki? Jul 22 08:36:07 both sections of the australians page i tried to edit "didnt work" Jul 22 08:37:56 i've just noticed that despite the error the edit seems to ahve worked Jul 22 08:44:48 Yasumoto: Where does the route get added for the neo in there? Jul 22 08:47:57 sudo /sbin/route add -host 192.168.1.22 dev usb0 Jul 22 08:48:17 If I also run the above, I can now ssh into the neo Jul 22 08:50:55 01:50:03.533099 IP om-gta02.local.47980 > delly.local.domain: 38008+ AAAA? openmoko.com. (30) Jul 22 08:50:55 01:50:03.533140 IP delly.local > om-gta02.local: ICMP delly.local udp port domain unreachable, length 66 Jul 22 08:51:32 nslookup: can't resolve 'openmoko.com' Jul 22 08:57:45 if people are actually watching what i'm doing, http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/wifi/ Jul 22 08:58:01 i'm done for the night though... Jul 22 08:59:37 ieatlint: gnite :) Jul 22 08:59:54 oh, i'm not going to bed yet, i'm just done programming for now :P Jul 22 09:22:23 w00t Jul 22 09:22:40 ny script finnally works now i can dress it up a bit Jul 22 09:46:27 my cat just can't figure out where the laser pointer's dot went... Jul 22 09:46:35 hehehe Jul 22 09:48:34 ieatlint: Can your wifi support do Zeroconf 802.11 ad-hoc communication (two nearby neos talking to each other without an AP)? Sharing/collab with nearby devices does *not* require XO-like mesh protocols. Jul 22 09:49:17 right now it doesn't support much of anything Jul 22 09:49:47 it can scan for available APs, and check current connection settings... nothing more Jul 22 09:50:08 but yeah, i could in theory set it up to support ad-hoc Jul 22 09:54:27 openmoko: 03jeremy * rd51b78cd6000 10/src/server/phone/telephony/ringcontrol/ (ringcontrol.cpp ringcontrol.h): [RingControl] cache the ringtone to make it play with less delay. Jul 22 10:00:20 ieatlint, i just looked at the screen shots, NICE i cant wait to get that program Jul 22 10:00:22 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r0067eb5519be 10/packages/djvulibre/djvulibre_3.5.20.bb: [djvulibre] Build without the Qt based viewer due the usage of Qtopia Jul 22 10:00:22 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r6db048f3484a 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: [srcdate] Bump the EFL version. Jul 22 10:00:23 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r8e4266001335 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Bump the illume rev to get a version that will use the Qtopia keyboard Jul 22 10:01:31 yeah, it probably should be noted that the signal strengths aren't as low as they sound Jul 22 10:02:31 i've been running it on my computer to test it, and it reports my home's network as 46% on my laptop, (20% on the FR, as seen in the screenshots) Jul 22 10:02:44 yet wifi-radar reports the signal strength at full bars on my laptop Jul 22 10:07:29 Hi moko Jul 22 10:08:31 ieatlint, but it could be the antenna problem again Jul 22 10:09:19 uh, no, the difference is to be expected Jul 22 10:09:45 the adapter on my laptop has more power Jul 22 10:10:11 openmoko: 03zecke * rc9304fb9c8d4 10/etc/SystemRingTones/phonering.wav: [ringtone] Use infobandit_phone.wav as ringtone Jul 22 10:10:39 really, it's normal... the point is that 100% signal isn't needed to be "good" Jul 22 10:25:52 ok, i see what you mean Jul 22 10:50:58 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rdd40594eace5 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ (singleline/channel.py ti_calypso/channel.py): ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO]: restore init commands for unsolicited channel (fixes a cut'n'paste error) Jul 22 10:56:23 ieatlint: hmm, perhaps then the meter should show it the way it really is, as in, if its good level, show "good" bar even with the percent what it is, make it 40 or some Jul 22 11:13:36 heh http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifiweasel Jul 22 11:13:58 i put a lot of work into that Jul 22 11:14:21 and i'm pretty sure it finally works Jul 22 11:15:16 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rd081548f63a1 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade the kernel, SDCLK and various other fixes are included Jul 22 11:15:40 I can't flash my gta02. When I try to log into u-boot "Set the console to USB" it just says: "Press [AUX] to return to boot menu." Jul 22 11:15:46 kd8ikt: looks nice, but add support for encrypted wireless networks Jul 22 11:16:05 then that wouldnt be automated Jul 22 11:16:11 you'd have to enter keys Jul 22 11:16:24 this is for roaming Jul 22 11:16:29 ah ok Jul 22 11:16:47 jakobsg: Jul 22 11:16:49 because i have the problem that after some time wifi stops working Jul 22 11:17:35 well there is a bash function in that script that takes down wifi and puts it back up you could use as a primer for your personal scrip Jul 22 11:18:44 jakobsg: don't put it to any mode Jul 22 11:18:50 chown uucp.uucp /dev/ttyACM0 Jul 22 11:18:50 cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 Jul 22 11:19:00 jakobsg: just start NOR u-boot and leave it into menu Jul 22 11:19:01 and you'll have a uboot shell Jul 22 11:19:36 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#Bootloader_prompt' Jul 22 11:19:42 kd8ikt: chown uucp.uucp /dev/ttyACM0 - on my host or on the Neo Jul 22 11:20:19 host Jul 22 11:20:28 OK, thanks Jul 22 11:20:28 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner Jul 22 11:20:30 etc Jul 22 11:21:01 Tm_T: as I understand I should always use NAND uboot Jul 22 11:21:33 jakobsg: hmm? Jul 22 11:22:01 In case of failure I can use NOR to restore NAND - or something like that Jul 22 11:22:11 "First, log into U-Boot in the NOR Flash. The Neo FreeRunner needs to be at the NOR boot menu for flashing. For more information on booting, see booting the Neo Freerunner." Jul 22 11:24:01 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r1c962f5a9a12 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for 42c_skins.tgz Jul 22 11:24:02 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r17610836d4fd 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for free42.tgz Jul 22 11:24:02 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r2b710db94a8d 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for nano-2.0.7 Jul 22 11:24:03 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r19408e31036c 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for settingsgui-0.8 Jul 22 11:24:06 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r80b66482bd1f 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for MPlayer-1.0rc2 Jul 22 11:24:09 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra04c1d59ec25 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for midori-0.0.17 Jul 22 11:24:12 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r810a9e694641 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for gnash-0.8.2 Jul 22 11:24:15 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r6eaa4e96cbdf 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for gpe-timesheet-0.32 Jul 22 11:24:18 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r811a07a59ea4 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for synergy-1.3.1 Jul 22 11:24:21 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r53131b313176 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for gpe-filemanager-0.30 Jul 22 11:24:24 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb9963025642c 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for swt-3.4M5-gtk-linux-x86.zip Jul 22 11:24:29 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r7d96e6a1bf98 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for jamvm-1.5.1 Jul 22 11:24:29 Is there some kind of wi-fi setup tool under qtopia ? Jul 22 11:24:32 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r725901153f1f 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for poppler-0.6.4 Jul 22 11:24:35 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8f07fa4513f8 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for x11vnc-0.9.3 Jul 22 11:24:40 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rce6ee02f2669 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for SDL_net-1.2.7.tar.gz Jul 22 11:24:43 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r86203fa56be0 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for tangoGPS-0.7.tar.gz Jul 22 11:24:46 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc3e0242e9c2d 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for wxWidgets-2.8.7.tar.gz Jul 22 11:24:51 camp wifi methinks? Jul 22 11:24:53 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4cd8b91fc58c 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for qtopia-opensource-src-4.3.1.tar.gz Jul 22 11:24:56 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * reed610d37a18 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for asterisk-1.4.17 Jul 22 11:24:59 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r1952a9dffb1b 10/packages/djvulibre/djvulibre_3.5.20.bb: [djvulibre] Build without the Qt based viewer due the usage of Qtopia Jul 22 11:25:04 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd24bc12d1121 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade the kernel, SDCLK and various other fixes are included Jul 22 11:25:07 openmoko: 03jeremy * r4c51f80648b1 10/src/applications/addressbook/ (abeditor.cpp abeditor.h): [AddressBook] Disable per contact ringtone because we broke it with doing ringtone cache in RingControl. Jul 22 11:25:29 ok thanks Jul 22 11:25:30 might aswell just modify the wpa_supplicant.conf and make a script to init wpa Jul 22 11:25:56 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN Jul 22 11:32:14 hi, i'm trying to use the download.sh script in openmoko-qemu, but it hangs at 24% when trying to get the file http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080721-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 Jul 22 11:32:24 are there any alternative places where i can get that file ? Jul 22 11:32:27 kd8ikt - well I can't ask my nabour to do that :-) Jul 22 11:33:14 Connecting to buildhost.automated.it|87.117.198.17|:80... connected. Jul 22 11:33:14 HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Jul 22 11:33:14 Length: 38,387,712 (37M) [text/plain] Jul 22 11:33:41 ? Jul 22 11:33:52 and then it stops at 9,215,048 bytes Jul 22 11:34:01 (always) Jul 22 11:34:37 kd8ikt: I meen alter the wpa_supplicant.conf file - he expects a nice UI Jul 22 11:34:41 even a manual wget hangs at exactly the same position Jul 22 11:36:00 well then tough shit cause that just aint here yet Jul 22 11:36:27 I know - that was why I was asking about qtopia Jul 22 11:37:49 By the way I still can't boot into u-boot - /dev/ttyACM0 isn't created by udev on the host before you select "Set the console to USB" on the Neo. Jul 22 11:38:29 what host operating system Jul 22 11:38:47 Ubuntu hardy Jul 22 11:39:00 did you read this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#Bootloader_prompt Jul 22 11:40:07 well, I haven't reache the end yet, because I ran into trouble Jul 22 11:46:51 ah after it timed out it resumed and now it dled :) Jul 22 11:47:29 does anyone have an md5sum for http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080721-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 ? Jul 22 11:48:25 kd8ikt: if I follow the steps in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#Phase0_Quick_Start Jul 22 11:48:43 I can't get past step 4 Jul 22 11:49:44 I can do step 5 from my linux host although I haven't selected "Set console to USB" Jul 22 11:55:00 ieatlint :) Jul 22 11:56:11 wheres SpeedEeeveil Jul 22 11:56:21 i want him to see what has become of my script Jul 22 11:56:41 What has become of you? Jul 22 11:57:13 what, does it use your freerunner as a ham communicator? :P Jul 22 11:57:18 drinking a beer trying to relax that script wiped me out and i'm sure its still glitched Jul 22 11:57:30 hah Jul 22 11:57:46 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifiweasel Jul 22 11:57:55 :D Jul 22 11:58:07 Wififerret? :D Jul 22 11:58:25 that'd be a good name too Jul 22 11:58:41 holy wireless wombats batman! Jul 22 11:59:36 i thought of weasel cause all my failed beta testing scripting was named wifimonkey then i started thinking i was learning more and so in turn the script become more inteligent so i named it weasel Jul 22 11:59:51 hilarious Jul 22 11:59:59 know that cartoon I R baboon and i am weasel Jul 22 12:00:00 there's no logic to that :P Jul 22 12:00:15 * Dave gives kd8ikt another beer and a ferret Jul 22 12:00:18 :) Jul 22 12:00:19 theres your logic Jul 22 12:00:47 kd8ikt: Does that test for open wifi's or just wifi's that provide an IP on connection? As I don't consider those to be the same thing Jul 22 12:01:05 dhcp Jul 22 12:01:11 martijn ^^ Jul 22 12:01:14 ewww Jul 22 12:01:41 i figured i'd be fun while walking around certian area Jul 22 12:01:44 i just installed the emulator and booted it, but the interface looks nothing like my real pohone, have there been updates or am i missing something ? Jul 22 12:01:51 better? :) Jul 22 12:02:00 I'm rtfw right now :p Jul 22 12:02:17 like malls etc just make sure you add an ssh passwd ;) Jul 22 12:02:32 kd8ikt: There are a lot of wifi hot spots that allow you to connect, but to actually go any where, you have to sign up and pay some dosh, then they allow you general internet access Jul 22 12:02:35 Why does the first line say 81102? Jul 22 12:02:49 Don't you mean 802.11? Jul 22 12:02:55 Also wireless is spelled wrong :D Jul 22 12:02:59 around here are tons of community wireless AP's Jul 22 12:03:12 * Dave hastily clicks [Edit] Jul 22 12:03:26 plus is it called weaselwifi or wifiweasel? Jul 22 12:03:43 dont matter name it what you want Jul 22 12:04:02 Man, I just enjoy correcting EVERYBODY's english on the wiki :p Jul 22 12:04:12 kd8ikt: nah, I was just looking for clarity, is all :) Jul 22 12:04:24 Though I am going to correct your spelling and lost sentence structure :) Jul 22 12:04:30 i like to think its weaselwifi Jul 22 12:04:47 thats fine Jul 22 12:04:56 hi all Jul 22 12:05:15 i wasnt worried baout grammar aslong as the actuall program worked Jul 22 12:05:24 your spelling is far worse :D Jul 22 12:05:30 I would love to help in openmoko software devellopment, but I don't know where to begin :( Jul 22 12:05:41 but hey, yeah, as you said, "OMG i'm a programmer" :p Jul 22 12:05:44 make a script that replaces dave Jul 22 12:05:47 so, it's okay :) Jul 22 12:05:51 :O Jul 22 12:06:06 I prefer wifiweasel :) Jul 22 12:06:09 kd8ikt, I thought we already determined that's Speedevil's job :P Jul 22 12:06:16 wibbit, yeah Jul 22 12:06:21 public poll, anyone? :p Jul 22 12:06:26 * Dave hides Jul 22 12:06:33 its a wiki... edit it Jul 22 12:06:45 kd8ikt: I'd love for it to be updated slightly to do a ping check against google or some thing similar Jul 22 12:06:46 but it's YOUR creation Jul 22 12:07:05 actually it did wibbit but i changed it to the gateway Jul 22 12:07:06 as Dave say's, it's not our baby to change Jul 22 12:07:26 That sounds wise Jul 22 12:07:30 because pinging google every 30sec ... i dont think thats very polite Jul 22 12:07:38 You could do both, if the gateway succeed's then try google, and have more then one "class" Jul 22 12:07:56 mod it Jul 22 12:08:36 Won't they block ICMP_ECHO_REQUESTs after while if you spam the shit out of them? :p Jul 22 12:08:38 i already have my backup copy so i could care less Jul 22 12:08:51 then again, you could be changing AP's, right? ;p Jul 22 12:08:52 haha Jul 22 12:08:56 my fist host was myspace cause i was hoping it'd ping flood em Jul 22 12:08:58 but still, right, impolite :) Jul 22 12:09:04 kd8ikt :D Jul 22 12:09:15 fucking myspace teenybopers Jul 22 12:09:31 kd8ikt: I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter... Jul 22 12:09:42 Dave, doubt it would be that much of an issue for google, and it doesn't take many packets to establish an open connection (and that conpared to the billion's if not trillions of packets their receiving/transmitting for eveyr thing else, really is a drop in the ocean) Jul 22 12:09:51 wibbit, true :) Jul 22 12:10:04 not to mention they have like 100 servers albeit Jul 22 12:10:17 way more Jul 22 12:10:29 but I know they do adjust things when under siege Jul 22 12:10:30 there are two things I think is unclear for me right now 1: Do I enter u-boot (NAND) or u-boot (NOR) to flash my neo ... 2: Am I the only one who is kicked right back to the u-boot menu after selecting "Set console to USB" ? Jul 22 12:10:41 we accidentally one time flooded the crap out of them at one point Jul 22 12:10:43 kd8ikt: 100? try 50000 Jul 22 12:10:50 heh Jul 22 12:10:56 and it was so many requests to a single server it was hardly a drop in the ocean anymore :p Jul 22 12:11:55 it was more like a fat american going off the highdive :P Jul 22 12:12:37 hoi trickie :] Jul 22 12:12:57 Dave: hoi! Jul 22 12:13:00 i've noticed the past few days the number of USA tangogps people has doubled if not trippled Jul 22 12:14:02 jakobsg, It's normal behaviour. The usb console is open after you press aux to return to u-boot menu. It was a bit unclear for me too at first. Jul 22 12:14:37 watch what you do in uboot console you could really mess things up Jul 22 12:15:39 :D Jul 22 12:15:50 So the option "Set console to USB" does nothing ? Jul 22 12:15:50 kd8ikt: yep! Jul 22 12:16:05 kd8ikt, but messing with uboot is SO fun! >:) Jul 22 12:16:09 jakobsg, It does what it says. Jul 22 12:16:18 it's a way to get down 'n dirtay with your phone :p Jul 22 12:16:23 kinky ;o Jul 22 12:16:48 * kd8ikt isnt going down south on his phone Jul 22 12:16:53 OK, so I have to select it once - OK Jul 22 12:18:22 ;p Jul 22 12:18:26 Package ncurses wants to install file /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 Jul 22 12:18:26 But that file is already provided by package * libncurses5 Jul 22 12:18:31 Neo powers down after a few minutes when in u-boot - I guess that doesn't happen if there is activity Jul 22 12:18:31 help? :-) Jul 22 12:19:15 For my other question, should I use u-boot NOR or u-boot NAND Jul 22 12:19:58 in the wiki NOR is described as "Rescue" Jul 22 12:22:18 * kd8ikt doesnt even know the procedure to get to nor Jul 22 12:24:49 kd8ikt: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#Phase0_Quick_Start Jul 22 12:26:14 sorry: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner/Buttons_and_LEDs#Basic_Button_Usage Jul 22 12:26:45 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_the_Neo_FreeRunner Jul 22 12:27:44 Log into U-Boot in the NOR Flash Jul 22 12:27:57 thats the normal way Jul 22 12:27:58 haudryarab! Jul 22 12:28:08 dave yes Jul 22 12:28:25 Hallo! Jul 22 12:29:02 ugh mine doesnt blink like that ever Jul 22 12:29:04 i am not an arab :-) Jul 22 12:29:28 Arb = Work Jul 22 12:31:33 tell that to my UT Jul 22 12:32:35 UT Unreal Turnament, Urinal Tract, Uranus Telescope Jul 22 12:34:05 o_O Jul 22 12:34:11 Universal Translator? Jul 22 12:34:16 aaah Jul 22 12:34:25 Which also speaks terrorist! :p Jul 22 12:34:37 kewl Jul 22 12:34:41 lawl Jul 22 12:34:51 pesky danes ~_~ Jul 22 12:35:30 can't live with them, can't live without them Jul 22 12:35:44 oh, we certainly can! Jul 22 12:35:48 >:) Jul 22 12:36:01 dave, life withem or withoutem Jul 22 12:36:03 especially your UT (Urinal Tract) Jul 22 12:36:09 without! Jul 22 12:36:15 haha, quiet you! Jul 22 12:36:27 hehe Jul 22 12:38:22 morning. Jul 22 12:38:43 morning, how's the chocolate buisiness Jul 22 12:39:35 :p Jul 22 12:39:41 *yawn* Jul 22 12:39:57 there's nothing new under the sun ;) Jul 22 12:40:26 :-) Jul 22 12:40:51 mmm... danish Jul 22 12:40:55 strawberry Jul 22 12:41:39 today, i was sitting in the bus, recording a gps track with tangoGPS, and suddenly, my freerunner locked up. no reaction on any input. only input that worked was pulling the battery. Jul 22 12:41:56 that's not input :P Jul 22 12:42:03 that's a hard reset; yeah, it sucks. Jul 22 12:42:05 :[ Jul 22 12:42:13 more like output :-) Jul 22 12:42:16 so i am not the only one? Jul 22 12:42:20 haw Jul 22 12:42:26 any way how to debug that? Jul 22 12:42:27 Wonka, I doubt it's tango-related Jul 22 12:42:38 probably just shitty openmoko related :D Jul 22 12:42:38 i have a debug board, but no experience using it Jul 22 12:43:13 i don't care _where_ the problem is, as long as it is removed; and i would be happy to accelerate its removal Jul 22 12:43:13 i havent experienced that but i'm not using the phone full time yet Jul 22 12:43:44 hehe. atm i have no sim and no microsd in it - just playing with very little gps Jul 22 12:43:57 :) Jul 22 12:44:06 Wonka :) Jul 22 12:44:17 Sounds good Jul 22 12:44:21 We'll keep you informed then! Jul 22 12:44:44 but i have someone who'll help me get a 10pF C soldered into it Jul 22 12:44:54 :D Jul 22 12:45:02 wait. what's this about a capacitor? Jul 22 12:45:50 Wonka, why is that nessicary Jul 22 12:45:51 Man, all the COOL people have one :p Jul 22 12:46:00 necessary Jul 22 12:46:06 speling Jul 22 12:46:21 the C is explained here: http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems Jul 22 12:46:23 spelunking Jul 22 12:46:30 lol Jul 22 12:46:39 :D Jul 22 12:46:44 i r teh bawt. Jul 22 12:46:53 after that, i'll put my 8GB microSDHC back in and have some more fun with maps Jul 22 12:47:17 wow. I'll totally do that if it turns out it works Jul 22 12:48:13 good to know that there is a hardware fix Jul 22 12:48:19 Wonka, have your way with it, you mean! >:) Jul 22 12:48:36 haudryarab, there's pretty much a hardware fix for everything wrong with it Jul 22 12:48:47 * dlowe will have to buy a gigantic magnifying glass, though. Jul 22 12:48:52 problem is people are sissies and want software workarounds for everything Jul 22 12:48:58 dlowe :D Jul 22 12:49:11 I've been wanting one anyway. :) Jul 22 12:49:12 hehe Jul 22 12:49:24 i got someone who regularly solders smd Jul 22 12:49:48 :] Jul 22 12:49:54 "schwer montierbare dinger" in german Jul 22 12:50:20 sounds like an alcoholic beverage name for promiscuous foreigners in a dance club Jul 22 12:50:30 Any one know, when the freerunner is liable to be updated with the hardware fix for the gps/sd issue Jul 22 12:50:47 s/liable// Jul 22 12:51:11 wibbit all these things have been corrected in the gta03, if that's what you're asking. Jul 22 12:51:27 Dave: And when is the gta03 liable to be released? Jul 22 12:51:34 will it have DECT? Jul 22 12:51:40 will it have HSPA? Jul 22 12:51:51 will it have a 3-axis turn sensor? Jul 22 12:51:55 I don't think the development nature of the phone was adequately asserted in its advertising Jul 22 12:52:04 will it have a magnetic 3D compass? Jul 22 12:52:17 dlowe: Oh I don't know, it's mentioned pretty much every where that I've looked Jul 22 12:52:24 Both on resellers sites, and I thought on their home page Jul 22 12:52:29 Will the next FR batch have the GPS soldering issue fixed ? Jul 22 12:53:01 CVirus: yeah, that probably a better way of putting the question Jul 22 12:53:08 nevar Jul 22 12:53:20 Dave: ? Jul 22 12:53:24 will it have built in HEPA filters? Jul 22 12:53:29 HEPA? Jul 22 12:53:30 with it vacuum your house? Jul 22 12:53:45 I would rather it vacumed the cat Jul 22 12:53:49 will it double as a beard and mustache trimmer as well? Jul 22 12:54:07 mine at least does the sound :) Jul 22 12:54:12 -_-; Jul 22 12:54:16 shaver.mp3 Jul 22 12:54:30 -_- Jul 22 12:54:32 * wibbit not entirely sure what's so wrong about asking if the gps soldering issue will be fixed in the next batch. Jul 22 12:54:50 soldering issue Jul 22 12:55:00 ! Jul 22 12:55:13 are you specifically refering to the "loose antenna" issue that a few users experienced? Jul 22 12:55:14 wibbit: sorry, it's not you Jul 22 12:55:21 IT'S YOU! Jul 22 12:55:28 It's always me :) Jul 22 12:55:37 yes YES! :D Jul 22 12:55:43 OH ITS YOU!! Jul 22 12:55:45 dlowe: Yah, I know, for the last 6 months or so, there's been quite a few "is it out yet" questions Jul 22 12:55:53 openmoko: 03zecke * r13fd6cb3f7bd 10/src/libraries/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [linking] Make sure our new symbols get exported Jul 22 12:55:54 openmoko: 03zecke * r73dca747a9fa 10/src/server/phone/serverinterface/phonelauncher/phonelauncher_illume.cpp: [phone] Hide the CallScreen directly in case of a missed call Jul 22 12:55:54 openmoko: 03zecke * r73107ee4a709 10/src/server/phone/callscreen/semithemed/ (callscreen.cpp callscreen.h): [callscreen] When the callscreen gets hidden remove all dropped calls Jul 22 12:55:58 are we there yet? Jul 22 12:56:12 What are you people asking!? Jul 22 12:56:31 Wonka: yeah, that's the question that's getting repeated ad nauseum Jul 22 12:56:33 WHAT HAPPEN??! Jul 22 12:56:33 soon. Jul 22 12:56:43 No! It's not ready! Go away and let us play with our toys Jul 22 12:56:55 dlowe: ack! Jul 22 12:57:00 *plays with GPS Jul 22 12:57:12 When is the GTA04 scheduled to be released ? Jul 22 12:57:15 :-p Jul 22 12:57:27 yo momma is scheduled to be released! Jul 22 12:57:29 * Dave rolls his eyes Jul 22 12:57:37 * Wonka watches... Jul 22 12:57:39 3 and 5 Jul 22 12:57:49 Wonka: yo momma as in my mother ? Jul 22 12:58:00 CVirus: that's how it's used Jul 22 12:58:10 CVirus: ghetto slang, or something Jul 22 12:58:17 it's a good thing it's the "gta04" and not the "gta4" or it'd be really hard to search for Jul 22 12:58:21 whatever that is ... don't talk about my momma Jul 22 12:59:12 GTA05 will be similarly difficult to search for Jul 22 12:59:21 So I'm wondering if they'll skip that one :P Jul 22 12:59:39 rofl Jul 22 13:00:01 CVirus: sure. Jul 22 13:00:31 thanks Jul 22 13:01:24 Can't stop the virus! Jul 22 13:01:48 gah. why does this agps ui stuff stop showing things when tangogps starts? Jul 22 13:02:18 and why does it not show stuff from an already running gps, but only when itself fired it up? Jul 22 13:02:31 i like this satellite position display stuff Jul 22 13:03:51 :p Jul 22 13:04:03 I like how the freerunner so easily runs out of memory Jul 22 13:04:09 and also melts. Jul 22 13:04:19 Don't leave it in your car, people! Jul 22 13:04:24 36mb free Jul 22 13:04:35 49 cached Jul 22 13:04:45 MOAR SWAP Jul 22 13:04:58 roflcopters Jul 22 13:05:00 swap on class 4 microsdhc? Jul 22 13:05:16 Swap factor 4, ENGAGE! Jul 22 13:05:27 can has moar RAM on gta03? Jul 22 13:05:51 8GB iPhone, and GTA03 with 1GB RAM... ;) Jul 22 13:06:10 QUAD DAMAGE! Jul 22 13:06:28 mission accomplished? Jul 22 13:06:31 * dlowe wonders about Dave sometimes. Jul 22 13:06:49 It's just my alter ego popping out ;) Jul 22 13:06:59 i am not here for a long time, and i don't wonder "sometimes" about dave... Jul 22 13:07:03 ;) Jul 22 13:07:06 :P Jul 22 13:07:19 dlowe: don't feed the trolls Jul 22 13:07:22 I'm just providing some cheap entertainment for all you silly people. Jul 22 13:07:24 he reminds me of #madwifi's "wombat" Jul 22 13:07:32 * Dave covers cvirus in trollbait. Jul 22 13:07:38 Wonka, gah. Jul 22 13:07:45 hahahaha speaking of which Jul 22 13:07:47 Jon o/ Jul 22 13:08:05 wassup? Jul 22 13:09:38 yo Jul 22 13:09:57 * daMaestro coffee && wake --up-now Jul 22 13:11:02 :p Jul 22 13:11:25 * Dave sends daMaestro SIGJOLT Jul 22 13:17:09 * Dave plays musical SIMs Jul 22 13:17:57 * Wonka plays some SIDs on his freerunner Jul 22 13:18:07 :O Jul 22 13:18:18 DOOM, anyone? Jul 22 13:20:33 on freerunner? gimme! Jul 22 13:21:33 :D Jul 22 13:21:46 * jtickle wants Jul 22 13:22:30 Oh, so there are others interested now ... ;) Jul 22 13:22:48 <`pwgen`> mame and defender ... with touchscreen *G* Jul 22 13:22:56 q3a won't work, i fear Jul 22 13:23:21 mh, some zcode interpreter, and then play indy and the last crusade... Jul 22 13:24:29 omg zork party! Jul 22 13:25:03 also scummvm for all your LA classics :D Jul 22 13:25:57 openmoko: 03roh * r4546 10/trunk/feeds/community-repository/file-index.txt: - update tango-gps. this inclusion in the community-feed was intended as test, not as permanent idea, but i do not want to annoy people by just removing it. Jul 22 13:28:22 <`pwgen`> mickeyl: moin Jul 22 13:28:30 :D Jul 22 13:28:34 good call, roh :) Jul 22 13:28:37 is there any IM for the NEO? Jul 22 13:29:19 hey pwgen Jul 22 13:29:21 No Jul 22 13:29:22 how's it going? Jul 22 13:29:27 Hi all Jul 22 13:29:35 pwgen: i added some things from your defconfig back to OE Jul 22 13:29:55 Just wondering... is the problem that sound does not come back up after suspend/resume worked on? Jul 22 13:30:17 <`pwgen`> mickeyl: 14 hours standby thats all , and how do i get rid of the echo sound when talking ? Jul 22 13:31:18 14hours standbye w/ resume is not enough Jul 22 13:31:26 s/resume/suspend&resume Jul 22 13:31:34 seems we're still wasting current somewhere Jul 22 13:31:38 Lo-lan-do: ur worrying about sound? i'm still trying to make calls :) Jul 22 13:31:39 or was that without suspend? Jul 22 13:31:53 pwgen: as for the echo sound. what does AT@ST? give? Jul 22 13:32:02 newb: What use is a phone call if all the phone does is vibrate? :-) Jul 22 13:32:19 Lo-lan-do: true Jul 22 13:32:29 o_O Jul 22 13:32:35 Vibrates... while you're talking? Jul 22 13:32:37 <`pwgen`> i should only the gsm powered up. but my gta01 will completely drained after more than approx 14 hours Jul 22 13:32:51 ah Jul 22 13:32:51 01 Jul 22 13:32:56 that's expected Jul 22 13:32:59 and as good as it will get Jul 22 13:32:59 pwgen, from what I hear, that's pretty sweet Jul 22 13:33:01 it blew Jul 22 13:33:02 i thought you were talking 02 Jul 22 13:33:07 in that case it would be lousy Jul 22 13:33:13 Dave: No, I was just aiming for a Matrix parody. But there's no ringing (or touch screen feedback) after a suspend/resume. Jul 22 13:33:18 01 has current leaks, there's no way we can get much beyond 14h Jul 22 13:34:10 how much does the 02 last? Jul 22 13:34:30 <`pwgen`> hmm damm , so i am at the maximum, at@ST -> +cms error , op not allowed Jul 22 13:37:13 Haha, I can't wait to see how my driver cc goes today Jul 22 13:39:26 pwgen: AT@ST? Jul 22 13:39:30 don't forget the question mark Jul 22 13:40:09 <`pwgen`> ahh ... +st -5 Jul 22 13:40:51 ok, try AT@ST=-26 Jul 22 13:40:52 missng ` Jul 22 13:40:58 check whether that improves anything Jul 22 13:41:08 should slightly make it better Jul 22 13:47:31 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re844509fefaa 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [opkg] Bump up the reversion of opkg to 4545 Jul 22 13:47:32 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r5fde48bbb706 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up the reversion of assassin to 202 Jul 22 13:47:59 why didnt anyone tell me my script didnt work DAVE! Jul 22 13:48:14 well now it does but needs some cleaning Jul 22 13:48:52 dunno about failure conditions though Jul 22 13:53:08 `pwgen|: ogsmd HEAD will issue AT@ST=-26 by default on startup Jul 22 13:53:13 later versions did not Jul 22 13:53:26 how to avoid link "__udivsi3" function,when i compile img, Jul 22 13:53:35 rut roh Jul 22 13:53:47 seems i use wrong cflags or ldflags Jul 22 13:54:05 hi Jul 22 13:54:43 I'd like to contribute to OpenStreetMap using my FreeRunner, but I don't know what software to use... I'm using distribution 2007.2 currently (but I'm willing to change of course) Jul 22 13:54:47 any advice ? Jul 22 13:55:05 the wiki suggests an app called GPS trail, but it's not in my opkg repositories (default repositories) Jul 22 13:55:52 trail? o.O Jul 22 13:56:06 Pinaraf, see the guide to how to do this on tangogps.org Jul 22 13:56:21 Pinaraf: tangogps can log tracks Jul 22 13:56:51 hmm, I like FSO much better then ASU. Jul 22 13:57:02 * LetoTo will have to dual boot the phone for now :P Jul 22 13:57:41 Pinaraf, http://www.tangogps.org/gps/articles/13-Howto-contribute-to-OpenStreetMap.html Jul 22 13:57:43 I'm not quite sure if following that tangogps.org guide is such a good idea, some of what he does can lead to some questionable data quality Jul 22 13:57:51 huhuhu Jul 22 13:57:52 Pinaraf: Recent TangoGPS has a track-recording feature. Jul 22 13:58:07 hah, bob Jul 22 13:58:15 true ;] Jul 22 13:59:34 Uh, wth, he doesn't even download the existing map data around where he edits. that's a good way to mess things up... Jul 22 13:59:44 * Dave releases a bag of weasels in kd8ikt's house Jul 22 14:00:16 LetoTo: FSO is still phone-only, right? Jul 22 14:00:17 bobkare, right, the gps might be accurate, but it certainly isn't guaranteed to corellate with the map locations :D Jul 22 14:00:25 I frequently experience that. Jul 22 14:00:29 thanks folks, I'm gonna look at it Jul 22 14:00:54 Dave: And it will definitely not connect your new road to existing roads in the area Jul 22 14:01:06 bobkare: then what app should I use ? Jul 22 14:01:29 bobkare, sometimes I wonder where they got some of their data Jul 22 14:01:32 or should I write my own app ? Jul 22 14:01:38 tangogps, but just log a track and convert it to gpx Jul 22 14:01:39 for example it shows a road through my building... Jul 22 14:01:46 (which is clearly impossible) Jul 22 14:02:04 Lo-lan-do: phone only? dunno. think it works on emulator too? Jul 22 14:02:05 I mean, I believe there might have been one say 200 years ago Jul 22 14:02:09 but gps didn't exist then :) Jul 22 14:02:19 Perhaps I should correct that on OSM Jul 22 14:02:25 LetoTo: I meant it only does phone, no GPS, right? Jul 22 14:02:41 Dave: might be done from out-of-copyright maps, especially if you're in UK Jul 22 14:02:44 FSO does gps+phone Jul 22 14:02:52 I'm in the US Jul 22 14:02:56 I havent checked the ASU gps stuff. i can do it now Jul 22 14:03:05 Dave: Ah, right. that's probably tiger data then Jul 22 14:03:05 LetoTo: TangoGPS? Phone with contacts? Jul 22 14:03:19 also there clearly are road type differentiations, at least on OSM Jul 22 14:03:32 Dave: which is frequently bonkers afaik Jul 22 14:03:37 but some people have to understand that a path through the woods and a street are not necessarily teh same thing Jul 22 14:03:42 bobkare, bonkers! Jul 22 14:03:49 evidently :| Jul 22 14:04:08 Dave: it may be tracing from ariel photos Jul 22 14:04:09 speaking of tiger... I need to test out my new shiny postgis db with tiger data Jul 22 14:04:16 speedevil, likely Jul 22 14:04:18 Dave: what is the location? Jul 22 14:04:27 just because trucks can drive there doesn't mean it's a road! Jul 22 14:04:27 :D Jul 22 14:04:58 aliens are mapping our roads! Jul 22 14:05:12 Dave: Nonono, he said "ariels" Jul 22 14:05:27 Dave: photos from planes. Jul 22 14:05:32 and satellites Jul 22 14:05:39 And really tall people. Jul 22 14:05:52 :) Jul 22 14:05:56 Are you really tall? Jul 22 14:06:00 And trained zombie giraffe armies. Jul 22 14:06:08 zomgoodness! Jul 22 14:06:25 <`pwgen`> mickeyl: i missed 5 days of development, visited some nice hippie festival in herzberg ... Jul 22 14:06:26 And tiger data ratehr blows in places. Jul 22 14:06:29 I thought it was just photo's of different types of aerial receivers. Jul 22 14:06:35 you get to name the streets? Jul 22 14:06:49 kd8ikt: in OSM, you get to do everything. Jul 22 14:06:54 oh sorry i ws reading a few lines up Jul 22 14:06:58 oy Jul 22 14:07:01 `pwgen`: sounds good Jul 22 14:07:15 So that might explain why one of the road names here has a typo in it? :D Jul 22 14:07:18 <`pwgen`> year. it sounded VERY goof Jul 22 14:07:31 wasnt me dave Jul 22 14:07:33 <`pwgen`> s/goof/good/ Jul 22 14:07:34 `pwgen` meant: year. it sounded VERY good Jul 22 14:07:36 ~_~ Jul 22 14:07:38 STOP DOING THAT! Jul 22 14:08:06 doing what? Jul 22 14:08:20 ~_~ ? Jul 22 14:08:21 STOP DOING THAT! Jul 22 14:08:28 ~_~ Jul 22 14:08:29 STOP DOING THAT! Jul 22 14:08:38 -_- Jul 22 14:08:48 *_* Jul 22 14:08:55 ribbit Jul 22 14:09:02 It's not a gm Jul 22 14:09:05 s/gm/game/. Jul 22 14:09:10 Dave: Heh, that brings you to the whole question of what the right name is... (especially when you get streets where different signs have different spellings) :P Jul 22 14:09:16 (Borked my return) Jul 22 14:09:25 #macintosh copyrighted code ; dd if=/dev/zero of=/apple/osx_installcd.iso bs=700M count=1 Jul 22 14:09:30 I wonder why it doesn't like the tilde eyes Jul 22 14:09:44 bobkare, haha, oy Jul 22 14:10:22 Ah, good 'ol Rofle Ave :) Jul 22 14:10:39 this channel has definately picked up pace since july 3rd :) Jul 22 14:11:00 Unfortunately :) Jul 22 14:11:01 <`pwgen`> mickeyl: I am to foolish? AT@ST=-26 ..... ERROR ... Jul 22 14:11:13 ABORT ABORT! Jul 22 14:11:54 Dave: where ar eyou? Jul 22 14:12:28 <`pwgen`> ahh missing "-26" ... rtfm Jul 22 14:12:38 In your union, inflatin' your currenciez Jul 22 14:12:38 am i the only one who has nightmares about my screen being busted? Jul 22 14:12:50 Dave: US? Jul 22 14:12:56 Oh, Yes :) Jul 22 14:12:57 kd8ikt, i ordered the invisible shield Jul 22 14:12:57 kd8ikt: insurance. Jul 22 14:13:01 daMaestro: k Jul 22 14:13:03 kd8ikt, i'll let you know what i think about it Jul 22 14:13:07 Speedevil, I'll send you GPS coordinates in a bit :) Jul 22 14:13:18 is that just a sticker that goes over it? Jul 22 14:13:23 * SpeedEvil readies the zombie giraffe army. Jul 22 14:13:24 invisible shield? force protector? warp field stabilized? Jul 22 14:13:28 hoenoes Jul 22 14:13:33 * Dave hides from Speedevil Jul 22 14:13:41 Mr's scott we need warp speed Jul 22 14:13:49 oh man Jul 22 14:13:52 <`pwgen`> is it knowm where the gta01 drains the missing power ( 14h * ~25 mA = 300 mA ) there is somehing draining 80 mA . Jul 22 14:14:00 kd8ikt: invisible shield, and the protector I'm selling are clear plastic films that go over the front of the fisplay. Jul 22 14:14:03 someone is just going to have to photoshop a FR into an old TOS clip now :P Jul 22 14:14:09 kd8ikt, http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/openmoko-neo-freerunner-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php Jul 22 14:14:10 hey SpeedEvil i finished my script, well its never truely finished i'll keep toying with it Jul 22 14:14:23 mickeyl: Can I bother you in private for some questions ? Jul 22 14:14:25 kd8ikt, needz moar pearl!1111 Jul 22 14:14:26 (I'll be quick) Jul 22 14:14:28 There seems to be a little package problem: Package ncurses wants to install file /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 Jul 22 14:14:30 But that file is already provided by package * libncurses5 Jul 22 14:14:31 `pwgen`: what power loss? Jul 22 14:14:34 Hello Ainulindale :) Jul 22 14:14:45 `pwgen`: you have turned the audio modem off? Jul 22 14:14:55 `pwgen`: err Jul 22 14:14:57 nah i worry about my screen getting cracked not a few scuffs Jul 22 14:14:58 * mjr has a few zagg discount codes by the way; they are useful only if you're ordering one protector from there, otherwise you get the same or better discount already. But if you want one, /msg Jul 22 14:14:59 `pwgen`: audio amp Jul 22 14:15:03 Dave: hi Jul 22 14:15:03 <`pwgen`> my gta01 is empty after approx 14 hours Jul 22 14:15:09 kd8ikt: scuffs won't do it. Jul 22 14:15:14 mjr :D Jul 22 14:15:14 kd8ikt: sitting on it will Jul 22 14:15:26 `pwgen`: in suspend to RAM? Jul 22 14:15:32 <`pwgen`> ahh that was undermy suspicious the audio power part Jul 22 14:15:43 kd8ikt: you can however insure it for that. Jul 22 14:15:48 speedevil, does your super-duper protector bubble, deform, and then melt, when left in the car? Jul 22 14:15:48 or like stuffing it in a pocket with keys Jul 22 14:15:51 `pwgen`: you can alsamixer to turn it off. Jul 22 14:15:51 :P Jul 22 14:15:59 kd8ikt, yeah Jul 22 14:16:11 kd8ikt, need a fancy beltholder for it :D Jul 22 14:16:21 that crappy neoprene case doesn't quite do it Jul 22 14:16:32 i need like a plastic shield to put over the front so i can shove it in my pocket and not worry about the touchscreen Jul 22 14:16:34 plus I noticed, ironically, the stylus scratches the screen Jul 22 14:16:35 how retarded Jul 22 14:16:39 <`pwgen`> SpeedEvil: i have read the wm8753 manual and there is mentioned the apm modes and switches Jul 22 14:16:39 kd8ikt: invisible shield Jul 22 14:16:47 kd8ikt: http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/openmoko-neo-freerunner-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php Jul 22 14:16:58 kd8ikt, yeah, some badass one Jul 22 14:17:00 kd8ikt: that's basically what I'm selling - and invisibleshield too. Jul 22 14:17:03 zagg.com? Jul 22 14:17:03 is it hard plastic? and stop massive preasure on the touchscreen? Jul 22 14:17:17 kd8ikt: it does nothign about cracking. Jul 22 14:17:27 kd8ikt: only small scratches. Jul 22 14:17:30 you're detracting from speedy's business! Jul 22 14:17:31 But if you buy the full-body shield, do you need to throw it away every time the FR freezes and you need to open it to remove the battery? Jul 22 14:17:33 :P Jul 22 14:17:37 that zagg mostly shows me a blanc page. does it screen protect web pages too? :) Jul 22 14:17:40 Lo-lan-do: no. Jul 22 14:17:54 if i wanted to protect the screen from scratches i woulda left the plastic screen condom on it that it came with Jul 22 14:18:16 kd8ikt: no - the shields are _much_ more transparent thant that and are not visible. Jul 22 14:18:28 Are there any distributors in Europe? Jul 22 14:18:29 lawl, fucking soe :p Jul 22 14:18:49 a lot of good a transparent condom will do when the lcd is cracking and leaking fluid on you Jul 22 14:19:06 SpeedEvil: What would it cost to have one sent to Norway? Jul 22 14:19:09 cause you ran into a street sign Jul 22 14:19:29 or bumped a corner of a table Jul 22 14:19:43 bobkare: free - $5 total Jul 22 14:19:57 I still have some problems with TTFF Jul 22 14:19:58 haha Jul 22 14:20:05 bobkare, er du norsk? :D Jul 22 14:20:08 three days ago, it working after 4/5 minutes Jul 22 14:20:18 SpeedEvil: Heh, where do i order? Jul 22 14:20:19 but today it looks like it decided not to work :/ Jul 22 14:20:23 Dave: Ja Jul 22 14:20:26 :D Jul 22 14:20:33 are the software patches already in the nightly builds ? Jul 22 14:20:49 Pinaraf: They are, at least for OM2007.2 Jul 22 14:20:52 Dave: Utvandret? Jul 22 14:20:57 PM me for paypal address, then add a note with your address. Jul 22 14:21:21 ;p Jul 22 14:21:26 saaa Jul 22 14:21:38 hvor i norge kommer du fra? :D Jul 22 14:22:02 Oslo naa, driver aa flytter til Bergen Jul 22 14:22:15 aaaaah :D Jul 22 14:22:15 ok, I'll upgrade then Jul 22 14:22:24 InvisibleShield -- Where is it!?!? Jul 22 14:22:27 I can't see it! Jul 22 14:23:02 Dave: I can supply a shield, with NOT INVISIBLE in green marker on the front if you like :) Jul 22 14:23:10 bobkare, hyggelig å treffe deg :] Jul 22 14:23:29 Speedevil, can I select a different color? :) Jul 22 14:23:47 Dave, either you have a good translater or else are you holding something back about your language capabliltys :-) Jul 22 14:23:51 Pinaraf, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems Jul 22 14:24:00 haudryarab >:) Jul 22 14:24:06 I told you I was incognito. Jul 22 14:24:07 jamasi: I'm reading it Jul 22 14:24:14 hmm, anyone know how to mount jffs2 fs on desktop so i can copy it to microsd so i can alternate boot into it on the openmoko? Jul 22 14:24:16 but it's far far from clear and readable Jul 22 14:24:23 mount -t jffs2 does not work :) Jul 22 14:25:14 LetoTo, you'd need to first map it into a virtual memory technology device. Don't recall how, but there's some search terms for you :] Jul 22 14:25:35 <`pwgen`> you had to do some loopback things before you can mount via jffs2 Jul 22 14:25:41 but i just want it mounted on loopback? Jul 22 14:25:46 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r5c411d21d16a 10/classes/java.bbclass: java.bbclass: Jul 22 14:25:46 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * rbc2833440894 10/packages/ (8 files in 6 dirs): merge of 'ba2394dc8bed77043b229f3e5c42b4b69aeca918' Jul 22 14:25:47 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r2fc7c9593a74 10/classes/java.bbclass: merge of '613d006a5a3c8c6629c2a0b9a905bfc4a80484ca' Jul 22 14:25:48 openmoko: 03crofton 07org.openmoko.dev * r45c400d622d0 10/ (7 files in 4 dirs): linux-xilinx-slab : Modify kernel bb file for xilinx based ppc boards using Jul 22 14:25:48 openmoko: 03crofton 07org.openmoko.dev * r0c42f4501472 10/ (7 files in 6 dirs): merge of 'a1c5133ec8dfc7768c8883c8aa89593ce01f57cb' Jul 22 14:25:53 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * re23aa16fcfb5 10/classes/java.bbclass: merge of '1b17ea5d09e29a9b9960e907c6a56908b349ff98' Jul 22 14:25:56 LetoTo, but nothing Jul 22 14:25:56 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r56289d91b324 10/packages/ (16 files in 4 dirs): First patch in a series of olsr cleanups Jul 22 14:25:59 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * ra27dbdfa5754 10/packages/olsr/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Second part of OLSR cleanup. Jul 22 14:26:02 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r83f27ead66ab 10/packages/ (18 files in 4 dirs): Last part of OLSR cleanup Jul 22 14:26:05 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r50f680793cfc 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix small oversights in OLSR cleanup Jul 22 14:26:05 openmoko spammen Jul 22 14:26:08 LetoTo: losetup /dev/loop0 filename Jul 22 14:26:08 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r6ce9d36de1bf 10/packages/obsolete/ (28 files in 5 dirs): Removing recipes that are untouched for months from obsolete/ Jul 22 14:26:10 ~_~ Jul 22 14:26:11 STOP DOING THAT! Jul 22 14:26:19 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * rec450d3ac9a6 10/packages/obsolete/jamvm/.mtn2git_empty: obsolete/jamvm: Removed empty directory. Jul 22 14:26:22 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r2426703bcacd 10/packages/cacao/ (11 files in 2 dirs): cacao: Cleanup and new recipe. Jul 22 14:26:25 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r7a8cae0d379f 10/packages/cacao/ (11 files in 2 dirs): disapproval of revision 'ba3fd04d7fb91b031d23b8b8abdfd77186ece799' Jul 22 14:26:28 apt: hold kjeft! Jul 22 14:26:28 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r28bf42030bf5 10/packages/cacao/ (12 files in 2 dirs): Add a new cacao revision and add support for changed configure options (new in 0.99) Jul 22 14:26:29 * apt Embraces kjeft! in a giant bear hug. Then gets bored and uses kjeft! as a chew toy. Jul 22 14:26:31 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r3bbe42df8f08 10/packages/midpath/ (44 files in 2 dirs): Removal of midpath 0.1, addition of midpath 0.3 rc1 Jul 22 14:26:36 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * ra0c1e1daf451 10/conf/distro/ (include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc openmoko.conf): Remove uses of midpath 0.1 and replace with what is needed for 0.3. Jul 22 14:26:36 HAHA Jul 22 14:26:38 STOP DEVELOPING SO MUCH! Jul 22 14:26:39 LetoTo: then mount /dev/loop0 directory Jul 22 14:26:43 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r7d69de9767ae 10/packages/midpath/ (midpath-maemo_0.2+0.3rc1.bb midpath-openmoko_0.2+0.3rc1.bb): midpath-maemo 0.2+0.3rc1: Added pnum 0 to patch. Jul 22 14:26:47 hahaha :D Jul 22 14:26:48 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r5cc06a8ea694 10/packages/cacao/files/cacao-0.99.1-build-java-runtime-library-classes.patch: cacao 0.99.1: Added missing patch file to repository. Jul 22 14:26:48 Dave: Hahahaha Jul 22 14:26:50 dlowe, doesn't work Jul 22 14:26:51 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r21213637bc5f 10/conf/distro/chinook-compat.conf: chinook-compat: Added libsdl-mixer version preference to 1.2.6. Jul 22 14:26:51 mjr - agreed :p Jul 22 14:26:54 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * rbb4f0ea256cd 10/packages/midpath/files/midpath-launcher-j2se: midpath: Allow overriding the JAVA executable in start script Jul 22 14:26:59 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * rf1d1cfd5034f 10/packages/jamvm/ (jamvm.inc jamvm_1.4.5.bb jamvm_1.5.0.bb jamvm_1.5.1.bb): jamvm: Lowered update-alternatives to 5 (lesser than cacao). Jul 22 14:27:04 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r9e2d27c5c989 10/packages/cacao/cacao_0.98+hg20080519.bb: cacao 0.98+hg20080519: Removed superfluous \ from SRC_URI. Jul 22 14:27:05 ho, a CIA bot... long time I didn't see such a bot flooding :) Jul 22 14:27:10 * Dave sics apt on thebohemian Jul 22 14:27:11 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * ra1528a669d48 10/packages/cacao/ (3 files in 2 dirs): cacao-native 0.99.1: New recipe. Jul 22 14:27:14 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r43a05bb80fb3 10/packages/cacao/ (3 files in 2 dirs): disapproval of revision 'a846a4c23e94c3e771fd7aaf448e8bb4e11f4506' Jul 22 14:27:17 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r47ae051fbbca 10/packages/cacao/ (cacao-native.inc cacao-native_0.99.1.bb): cacao-native 0.99.1: New recipe. Jul 22 14:27:22 openmoko: 03hrw 07org.openmoko.dev * r9b4cd88c4a4c 10/conf/distro/chinook-compat.conf: chinook-compat: make it more Maemo compatible Jul 22 14:27:25 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r9bc3433674b9 10/packages/freesmartphone/frameworkd_git.bb: frameworkd git needs python-shell now Jul 22 14:27:26 dlove: same as doing it directly.. Jul 22 14:27:28 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r7a8b7b731dfd 10/ (136 files in 23 dirs): merge of '28c74aa25680384c6f311fd8f4123ddb27c1ba65' Jul 22 14:27:37 openmoko: 03hrw 07org.openmoko.dev * r857aebaee06b 10/packages/cmake/cmake-native_2.6.0.bb: cmake-native: added 2.6.0 (from Poky) Jul 22 14:27:40 openmoko: 03hrw 07org.openmoko.dev * r4fef63ee8d25 10/classes/cmake.bbclass: cmake.bbclass: use cross-compilation support with 2.6.0 (from Poky) Jul 22 14:27:40 all - with fso, does it need to be booted from sd card?? it doesn't work "out of the box" when flashed, for me Jul 22 14:27:42 this is why no one uses this antiquated POS bots anymore Jul 22 14:27:43 openmoko: 03hrw 07org.openmoko.dev * r2ffdb2eb60fd 10/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: sync with Poky Jul 22 14:27:45 MTD: Attempt to mount non-MTD device "/dev/loop0" Jul 22 14:27:50 (114 lines omitted) Jul 22 14:27:52 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rd4cbabdc061e 10/packages/angstrom/angstrom-feed-configs.bb: angstrom feed configs: bump PR Jul 22 14:27:54 rofl Jul 22 14:27:55 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rda82c9e68cad 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): glibc 2.6.1: change optimizations flags for armv7a Jul 22 14:27:58 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r3e51f840243e 10/packages/initscripts/ (initscripts-1.0/arm/alignment.sh initscripts_1.0.bb): initscripts: do not poke at /proc/cpu/alignment on armv7, it slows libavcodec down with 50% Jul 22 14:28:05 thank gawd for that one :P Jul 22 14:28:08 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r830b1578125a 10/packages/initscripts/ (initscripts-1.0/arm/alignment.sh initscripts_1.0.bb): initscripts: fix typo in previous commit Jul 22 14:28:10 jmm CIA should be on its seperate channel :) Jul 22 14:28:11 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r871a3a11f108 10/packages/gnash/gnash-minimal.inc: gnash-minimal: fix depends Jul 22 14:28:18 CIA-46: drit i det! Jul 22 14:28:20 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * rc0848ed0b6b6 10/ (36 files in 24 dirs): merge of 'd186ad540510a4f04ab08186965e402582c0b260' Jul 22 14:28:23 openmoko: 03steve 07org.openmoko.dev * r404b325220b3 10/packages/linux/ (3 files in 2 dirs): linux-omap2 git: make beagle resolution a kconfig option Jul 22 14:28:23 There seems to have been some backlog Jul 22 14:28:26 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r1201caaabd6f 10/conf/bitbake.conf: bitbake.conf: fix PARALLEL_MAKE, it hasn't been working lately. Patch by Richard Purdie Jul 22 14:28:30 :[ Jul 22 14:28:35 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r023db0801a59 10/packages/sl/sl_3.03.bb: sl: fix parse error Jul 22 14:28:38 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rcfedfcdbcd64 10/packages/images/beagleboard-demo-image.bb: beagleboard demo image: add swfdec-mozilla Jul 22 14:28:41 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r3270dc83f7fc 10/packages/dsplink/ (dsplink.inc dsplink_1.50.bb dsplink_1.51.00.08.bb): dsplink: fix dependencies Jul 22 14:28:48 I'm quite surprised CIA-46 hasn't been kicked by ChanServ for flooding... Jul 22 14:28:50 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r3a6d46316f94 10/packages/images/dsplink-test-image.bb: dsplink test image: add image for testing TI dsplink Jul 22 14:28:53 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rad659f397d56 10/conf/machine/neuros-osd2.conf: neuros-osd2: add (disabled) framework for creating ready-to-flash upk images Jul 22 14:28:56 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r12317f46a6c6 10/conf/machine/neuros-osd2.conf: neuros-osd2: set uboot machine Jul 22 14:28:57 They're colluding! Jul 22 14:29:05 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r84c4443f4e85 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add mdbus, a convenient dbus introspection/interaction console utility Jul 22 14:29:08 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r83bdce78f161 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): merge of '1e903c1b7aaf83f6d6191a71231f8862e397e14c' Jul 22 14:29:11 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rffa7d69c9e82 10/conf/machine/neuros-osd2.conf: neuros-osd2: fix typo Jul 22 14:29:20 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r435a77437731 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): merge of '0c449bd860651c16124dcc0cc2cd07689c45f195' Jul 22 14:29:23 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r37bc56589f8e 10/conf/machine/ (include/neuros.inc neuros-osd2.conf): neuros osd2: move upk to .inc so osd1 can use it as well Jul 22 14:29:26 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r79ee6456d752 10/conf/machine/neuros-osd2.conf: neuros osd2: really set uboot machine correctly... Jul 22 14:29:29 wahahaha Jul 22 14:29:33 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * re13f3be60dcc 10/packages/u-boot/ (files/Makefile-fix.patch u-boot_git.bb): u-boot git: add support for neuros-osd2 Jul 22 14:29:36 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r190d799bc117 10/packages/u-boot/ (3 files in 2 dirs): u-boot-env: dummy package to generate a script for setting up the default environment in u-boot Jul 22 14:29:45 * Dave slaps mickeyl around a bit with a large CIA-46 Jul 22 14:29:45 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rfc0c6042d50d 10/packages/neuros-pkggen/ (11 files in 2 dirs): neuros-pkggen native: add tool to generate ready to flash upk images Jul 22 14:29:48 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r3be3f7dfe9b7 10/conf/machine/include/neuros.inc: neuros.inc: add IMAGE_DEPENDS Jul 22 14:29:51 (213 lines omitted) Jul 22 14:29:53 openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.dev * rdf9b7128b5ed 10/packages/opkg-utils/ (.mtn2git_empty opkg-utils-native_svn.bb opkg-utils_svn.bb): opkg-utils: Add from poky Jul 22 14:30:00 openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.dev * r94c2d442004b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs.inc: Add opkg-utils Jul 22 14:30:01 Nobody can say development is slow, anyway. Jul 22 14:30:03 openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.dev * r85fa69ac820b 10/conf/bitbake.conf: bitbake.conf: Disable PACKAGES_DYANMIC until we upgrade bitbake Jul 22 14:30:08 heh heh Jul 22 14:30:09 lolando :D Jul 22 14:30:12 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rdfd583dcc9b0 10/packages/ffmpeg/ (ffmpeg_git.bb omapfbplay_git.bb): ffmpeg: bump SRCREV Jul 22 14:30:15 openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * red3cbbdd6723 10/packages/freesmartphone/frameworkd/magician/ (.mtn2git_empty frameworkd.conf): frameworkd: add configuration for magician Jul 22 14:30:15 second part of the SCM merge now complete Jul 22 14:30:18 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rae5fbf8de337 10/packages/linux/linux-neuros_git.bb: linux neuros: bump SRCREV Jul 22 14:30:21 openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * r8c6c6a3589e3 10/packages/pulseaudio/ (pulseaudio-0.9.10/libiconv.patch pulseaudio_0.9.10.bb): pulseaudio: fix libtool linking Jul 22 14:30:26 OM is now upto date with yesterdays OE Jul 22 14:30:26 openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * r8972893b994c 10/packages/speech-dispatcher/ (files/configure_fix.patch speech-dispatcher_0.6.6.bb): speech-dispatcher: fix configure.in for c++ Jul 22 14:30:29 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rb3467128820c 10/packages/dfu-util/ (dfu-util-native_svn.bb dfu-util_svn.bb): dfu-util-native: link to the last built dfu-util Jul 22 14:30:32 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r9a0ce457734a 10/packages/dfu-util/ (dfu-util-native_svn.bb dfu-util_svn.bb): merge of 'bd40bda8858164c7f6d35494b85fbc1df9474e4d' Jul 22 14:30:37 openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * r9d2a0a03ec5d 10/packages/alsa/ (alsa-oss_1.0.15.bb files/libio.patch): alsa-oss: fix stdioemu.c for uclibc Jul 22 14:30:40 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rb6b1aa013e04 10/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): linux-openmoko-devel git compile ext2fs into kernel to ease booting from SD Jul 22 14:30:43 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r5e8be21108d7 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): u-boot-openmoko * remove deprecated svn versions, add git versions Jul 22 14:30:48 openmoko: 03svolpe 07org.openmoko.dev * rad27aed480e3 10/ (conf/machine/at91-l9260.conf packages/linux/linux_2.6.25.bb): Added machine file for Olimex AT91SAM development board Jul 22 14:30:51 openmoko: 03zecke * r4548 10/developers/zecke/app_restarter/ (. app_restarter.c): Restart a server process. Inspired by e_alert.c, it will show a XWindow asking the user... Jul 22 14:30:56 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rf244e9126fa9 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): u-boot-openmoko * refactor into .inc file and update sane-srcrevs Jul 22 14:30:56 XorA: So tomorrow's opkg upgrade will bring goodness? Jul 22 14:30:59 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * ra2ae44e98cf2 10/packages/alsa/ (alsa-oss_1.0.15.bb files/libio.patch): merge of '208f1ed94f96d48ebd0a914e436fb7a6e203f681' Jul 22 14:31:02 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r412bab593873 10/contrib/python/generate-manifest-2.5.py: generate-manifest-2.5.py: not in sync with manifest.inc Jul 22 14:31:07 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rea63a5d986e2 10/contrib/python/generate-manifest-2.5.py: generate-manifest-2.5.py: pdb requires pprint Jul 22 14:31:10 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r99572d390148 10/contrib/python/generate-manifest-2.5.py: generate-manifest-2.5.py: add python-difflib Jul 22 14:31:13 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r0b843bf14391 10/contrib/python/generate-manifest-2.5.py: generate-manifest-2.5.py: add python-doctest Jul 22 14:31:16 Lo-lan-do: the images work, bugger knows what mess opkg will make though :-) Jul 22 14:31:18 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rce15715630e3 10/packages/python/ (python-2.5-manifest.inc python_2.5.2.bb): python-2.5-manifest.inc: update by generate-manifest-2.5.py Jul 22 14:31:21 openmoko: 03svolpe 07org.openmoko.dev * r620cab5bdb49 10/packages/linux/linux_2.6.25.bb: Added at91-l9260 to supported machines for the linux-2.6.25 kernel Jul 22 14:31:24 openmoko: 03svolpe 07org.openmoko.dev * ra0a966e4bb1e 10/ (conf/machine/at91-l9260.conf packages/linux/linux_2.6.25.bb): merge of '1111600f6f0e98778deec94f838de80fd1db927b' Jul 22 14:31:29 (15 lines omitted) Jul 22 14:31:38 XorA: What visible changes, if any? Jul 22 14:31:49 (No, I didn't scrutinize all these commit messages) Jul 22 14:31:58 Lo-lan-do: nothing really Jul 22 14:32:03 BlAME Jul 22 14:32:11 Shame. Jul 22 14:32:21 Lo-lan-do: just an exercise in not allowing OM to drift too far and become unmaintainable Jul 22 14:32:21 maim! Jul 22 14:32:22 :D Jul 22 14:33:06 new u-boot versions I guess is the main change Jul 22 14:35:14 http://handhelds.org/hypermail/familiar/62/6232.html failed too. mtd is then only 4mb? Jul 22 14:35:25 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rbaccce447e2f 10/packages/packagekit/packagekit_git.bb: [packagekit] Add a patch to packagekit Jul 22 14:40:37 AVee: :) Jul 22 14:40:40 dave: Jul 22 14:43:01 * mjr rotfls, a bit late, at CIA-46's "(15 lines omitted)" Jul 22 14:43:01 I wonder when my Debug board / FR are going to ship. Jul 22 14:43:17 Speedevil, I'd also like a hard, clamshell like protector Jul 22 14:43:58 Speedevil, I am also just interested to know what other sorts of neat modifications or ideas you have thought of Jul 22 14:44:10 At least those you would be willing to divulge freely :) Jul 22 14:44:25 Dave: I've thought of many. Jul 22 14:45:38 Dave: the problem is that many of them would need non-trivial initial orders, in order to make a usable case. Jul 22 14:45:58 Dave: or for the GTA01-wifi - at least a couple of stock cases to develop the mod with. Jul 22 14:48:44 Right Jul 22 14:49:00 I wouldn't put too much money into GTA01 designs though Jul 22 14:49:04 I wouldn't know however Jul 22 14:49:18 Personally I would wish for a total case redesign for the next model Jul 22 14:49:30 I was thinking of a $50 service to add wifi to your GTA01. Jul 22 14:49:48 the gta01 market is prob too small Jul 22 14:49:51 and a fucking wallwart jack !@^$@$#%@# even if I have to kill someone Jul 22 14:49:55 (plus postage) Jul 22 14:50:09 how about an internal usb port for gta2 and prefill it with some 3G frob :) Jul 22 14:50:10 wallwart jack? Jul 22 14:50:14 :D Jul 22 14:50:37 Behold, the phone which smites your enemies! Jul 22 14:51:18 reminds me, anyone want to compile usb_modeswitch for the Freerunner so I could test my 3g stick on it without bothering with the crosscompile toolchain ;) Jul 22 14:51:37 set host mode Jul 22 14:51:45 mjr I'm going to be doing that shortly when I go into the lab Jul 22 14:51:49 LetoTo, anyways, there is internal usb, just that the bluetooth's behind that Jul 22 14:51:54 I'm testing usb wireless dongle and camera Jul 22 14:52:05 fucking drivers I'll have to attempt to cross-compile I fear Jul 22 14:52:46 (my 3g stick requires some control signals by usb_modeswitch sent so that it starts acting like a modem and not like a windows driver cd :] ) Jul 22 14:52:52 mjr: which 3g frob do you have? Jul 22 14:53:07 huawei e169 Jul 22 14:54:09 I'll note again that I don't really intend to use it with the neo, but one just _has_ to _try it out_ Jul 22 14:54:37 mjr: If it works and you don't intend to use it, send it this way :-) Jul 22 14:55:12 _With the neo_. I have good use for it on my lappie and backup use on my desktop box, thankyouverymuch :] Jul 22 14:55:38 So does anyone know if -anyone- else has tried usb camera yet with the gta01/gta02? Jul 22 14:55:38 Nonono, not fair! Jul 22 14:55:48 haha Jul 22 15:01:59 SpeedEvil: What do you think about using the CaFe ASIC from the olpc project to drive a camera Jul 22 15:02:16 and an SDHC interface Jul 22 15:02:46 does openmoko have any involvment with the LiMo Foundation? Jul 22 15:04:31 SpeedEvil: I would be interested in a WiFi Mod for the gta01, if this ever happens let me know Jul 22 15:05:33 I don't know why the OLPC project didn't use atheros Jul 22 15:06:08 I just had the pleasure of using OLPCs at HOPE, they are neat Jul 22 15:06:44 Sargun_screen, free driver, mesh networking in wifi chip firmware Jul 22 15:06:55 (even though said fw is non-free) Jul 22 15:07:37 hello Jul 22 15:08:29 got a question...I received my freerunner last week but didn't get a chance to unbox it until this weekend. When I did and powered it on, the screen has a crack in it. What do I do? Jul 22 15:09:04 Fisher: return it DOA Jul 22 15:09:06 I guess Jul 22 15:09:09 how? Jul 22 15:09:23 oh. I don't know, you'll have to e-mail them. Jul 22 15:09:23 who do I contact to get an RMA? Jul 22 15:09:44 I sent an email on Saturday to the shop@ email address, but have received no reply Jul 22 15:10:41 dunno Jul 22 15:10:51 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r1e3b6dec262f 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (6 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: [SIERRA] add support for the Sierra Wireless UMTS modem Jul 22 15:10:51 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r855aa8afc623 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: ogsmd: add some message book examples from the sierra wireless modem and allow number type 208 Jul 22 15:11:24 I'm assuming the 14 day DOA starts on the day it arrives at my house? If so, then 7 days are already up and I need to get this resolved. Does ANYONE have any suggestions? Jul 22 15:12:00 how hard is it to replace the LCD? Is it just a few screws and a connector plug? If so, then I wouldn't mind fixing it myself Jul 22 15:12:14 just need to know what to do Jul 22 15:12:48 yes. Jul 22 15:13:05 CHOCKY Jul 22 15:13:17 DAVE! Jul 22 15:13:34 heh, back in a bit :p Jul 22 15:13:48 Chocky, yes it's that easy to replace? I've replaced notebook lcd panels and if it's not any harder, I'd be glad to do that... Jul 22 15:13:50 need my OpenMocha Jul 22 15:13:58 or I can send it back if I can figure out how Jul 22 15:13:59 er, wut? Jul 22 15:14:12 * Chocky spots bad nick completion Jul 22 15:14:23 Chocky...ahh...you just joined...nevermind Jul 22 15:14:38 * Chocky suspects the answer is yes, in any case :o Jul 22 15:14:50 my freerunner arrived with a cracked lcd...trying to find out how to either return it DOA or get a replacement lcd Jul 22 15:15:00 sucks, Jul 22 15:15:19 swap out is probably easier all around Jul 22 15:15:20 yeah...any ideas? I've sent an email to shop@ email addy, but no response yet Jul 22 15:15:24 aw Jul 22 15:15:28 email wossname Jul 22 15:15:34 wossname? Jul 22 15:15:41 er, the PR guy. Jul 22 15:15:43 @openmoko.com? Jul 22 15:16:08 MichaelShiloh Jul 22 15:16:25 Fisher: there's a connector and it's also glued to the pcb some way but i don't think that should be a problem Jul 22 15:17:10 so his email is FirstLast AT openmoko DOT com then? Jul 22 15:17:20 * Chocky just guessing. Jul 22 15:17:23 only First i think Jul 22 15:17:33 balrog...ahhh...the glue might be a problem...I guess swap would be good then Jul 22 15:17:37 try all Jul 22 15:17:47 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * refb7e3f526dc 10/ (framework/subsystems/ogsmd/objects.py tools/cli-framework): Jul 22 15:17:47 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: finished O2/Genion (who else?) home zone support: Jul 22 15:17:47 freesmartphone.org: * [METHOD] org.freesmartphone.GSM.HZ.GetHomeZoneStatus() -> s:name Jul 22 15:17:47 freesmartphone.org: * [SIGNAL] org.freesmartphone.GSM.HZ.HomeZoneStatus( s:name ) Jul 22 15:18:53 Michael Shiloh Jul 22 15:19:14 balrog...thanks a BUNCH! I'll try that. thanks everyone! Jul 22 15:19:48 hmm.. I left my Neo 1973 in my bag for some weeks.. now it's completely dead.. hooked it to the usb cable overnight.. nothing Jul 22 15:19:51 do i miss something? Jul 22 15:20:08 Yes. Jul 22 15:20:26 rtfm? Jul 22 15:20:33 You have to first remove battery and USB for a half an hour or so. Jul 22 15:20:49 Then replace battery, plug in USB. Jul 22 15:20:58 Wait an hour or two. Jul 22 15:21:08 ok, battery first, then usb, then wait Jul 22 15:21:15 and then it should turn on enough. Jul 22 15:21:19 SpeedEvil++ ty! Jul 22 15:21:24 no, USB first then battery! Jul 22 15:21:26 it won't be fully charged at that time. Jul 22 15:21:32 remove for that long? Jul 22 15:21:33 mmontour: err - no Jul 22 15:21:37 GTA01 gets unhappy if it has USB power + no battery Jul 22 15:21:45 What's the command on ssh to test if your sim card is recognized? Jul 22 15:21:47 Ah yes. Jul 22 15:21:54 remove USB, then battery Jul 22 15:21:56 heh, "on ssh" Jul 22 15:22:07 balrog-kun: 5 min may be enough Jul 22 15:22:16 balrog-kun: som have reported 30 mins Jul 22 15:23:01 * sparrow waves Jul 22 15:23:29 * SpeedEvil particles. Jul 22 15:23:34 Chocky: On what way could I test my Sim? Jul 22 15:23:58 i always only remove it for 20 or 30 seconds when it doesn't seem to be charging... and then retry and... it still doesn't seem to be charging.. but in the end it revives :) Jul 22 15:24:34 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra85f60d70064 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ (sierra/channel.py singleline/channel.py): ogsmd: [SIERRA] catch up with new style for init sequences Jul 22 15:24:35 I am not sure if anyone is interested, but there is an update for folks in Canada and getting SIM cards working. Basically the one known good SIM supplied to rogers, is what they call a 4000 series card. Jul 22 15:24:56 Add that to the wiki then. Jul 22 15:25:11 I will be doing so this afternoon Jul 22 15:25:52 * sparrow don't have http access from where he is atm. Jul 22 15:32:16 TTD Jul 22 15:34:39 hello, i've not understood well the new fix for GPS...(http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d04b142ffeaa15129f046751f1366b0f0614f47) is the strength equivalent to the Ampere? if so what's the drawback of having a strength of 0? Jul 22 15:34:59 How are you gentlemen Jul 22 15:35:12 Oh, and kd8eight thanks for updating your shit :) Jul 22 15:35:35 Gnutoo, none so long as no corruption with your SD card brand - works with SD cards tested so far.... Jul 22 15:36:02 DaveLab: It's you!!! Jul 22 15:36:12 Doing fine... you DaveLab? Jul 22 15:36:38 jamewill, wow...so it would work at full speed? Jul 22 15:36:53 Gnutoo, yes Jul 22 15:37:00 jamewill, wow thanks a lot Jul 22 15:37:20 Gnutoo, don't thank me, thank andy Jul 22 15:37:30 jamewill, ok Jul 22 15:37:43 All hail andy! Jul 22 15:38:02 andy is not on irc... Jul 22 15:38:04 I am well :) Jul 22 15:38:10 He's too good for us :) Jul 22 15:38:30 Now if he could fix the resuming of the sound... Jul 22 15:40:17 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r6065c1a70d30 10/src/zhone: use cairo to render the SV positions Jul 22 15:40:17 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r2008a309ffc3 10/src/zhone: work around broken 16-bit evas Jul 22 15:40:17 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r22bcaba0d3ab 10/ (data/themes/zhone.edc src/zhone): use only one swallow for the pages, this simplifies transitions Jul 22 15:40:18 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r271abca4c78a 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): add basic SMS list Jul 22 15:40:41 The SD drive strength is set according to the datasheet of the glamo - there are various drive strengths. To oversimplify, the stronger the drive, the more interference. But the weaker the drive the more likelyhood of corruption. Jul 22 15:41:30 It may be that it's possible to set it to the weakest drive strength, and this will make the GPS problems go away, and all SD cards will work, or it may be a per-SD card excersize to see how low you can go. Jul 22 15:41:51 anyone know why the interface in the emulator looks nothing like the phone when i follow the instructions on the wiki ? Jul 22 15:43:46 Because there are three seperate main branches off the code tree. Jul 22 15:44:11 Deciduous, evergreen, and this would work much better if I could remember another sort of tree. Jul 22 15:44:19 ASU, FSO, and 2007.2 Jul 22 15:44:34 The freerunner ships with the 2007.2 branch. Jul 22 15:44:46 ah cool, thx :) Jul 22 15:45:26 I installed http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080721-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 Jul 22 15:45:35 that looks like the 2007.2 you're talking about no ? Jul 22 15:46:08 I think the key bit is qtopia - which refers to the qtopia element of ASU Jul 22 15:46:12 ~asu Jul 22 15:46:13 hmm... asu is the April Software Update, an release name for a OpenMoko distribution. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Feature_Plan. Jul 22 15:46:44 fossilized Jul 22 15:47:12 ~Chocky Jul 22 15:47:17 :o Jul 22 15:47:21 ~Dave Jul 22 15:47:22 somebody said dave was mtnman Jul 22 15:47:28 hah! Jul 22 15:47:29 ~mtnman Jul 22 15:47:30 mtnman lives at 9600 feet above sea-level. Jul 22 15:47:31 Unlikely! Jul 22 15:47:37 mtnnman Jul 22 15:47:40 anyone know how kernel upgrading with opkg works? Jul 22 15:47:47 how does it get into the kernel partition? Jul 22 15:47:48 cjb: just fine, thanks ;o Jul 22 15:47:49 it writes to NAND Jul 22 15:47:56 IT KNOWS WHERE YOU LIVE! Jul 22 15:47:59 :) Jul 22 15:48:06 Well, where everything does, essentially ;) Jul 22 15:48:07 it should, it has GPS access Jul 22 15:48:15 hahaha Jul 22 15:48:17 good point ;p Jul 22 15:48:18 well ok. Jul 22 15:48:31 tail /dev/bigbrother Jul 22 15:49:01 cjb, it knows the hardware boundaries for the memory, and therefore can perform in-place edits Jul 22 15:49:04 it's well defined Jul 22 15:49:08 righto. Jul 22 15:49:27 if you're looking for further technical information check their website or page or subscribe to their newsletter or something? :) Jul 22 15:49:52 no, that sounds fine. didn't know if that part of the NAND was modifiable by userland. Jul 22 15:50:05 since my experience with it is always "nand erase kernel .." Jul 22 15:50:45 oh Jul 22 15:51:17 pee Jul 22 15:51:20 que Jul 22 15:52:30 I got a debug board as I'm very good at bricking things. Jul 22 15:52:43 TimRiker, heya Jul 22 15:53:06 Too bad the OpenMoko doesn't have buttons... Jul 22 15:53:06 heya. on my way to OLS. :) Jul 22 15:53:21 as i understand it the freerunner doesn't support 3g? Jul 22 15:53:32 stephelton, only GPRS. Jul 22 15:54:03 is there planned support? Jul 22 15:54:31 SpeedEvil? Jul 22 15:54:33 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r395d0a2e48ff 10/otapi/Makefile: otapi: add org.freesmartphone.GSM.HZ (homezone API) Jul 22 15:54:46 Sargun: > Jul 22 15:55:32 plans yes, but i wouldn't expect something umts earlier than in 12 months Jul 22 15:55:46 mickeyl, UMTs? I wouldn't expect EDGE. Jul 22 15:55:49 er Jul 22 15:55:54 I would expect EDGE Jul 22 15:56:12 hrm Jul 22 15:56:17 Hello Speedevil :) Jul 22 15:56:53 mickeyl: thanks. Jul 22 15:57:15 yeah mickeyl, thanks for the development spam :P Jul 22 15:58:23 yes, development is banned. Jul 22 15:58:35 aroo Jul 22 15:58:37 Sargun: an EDGE model will appear within the next 12 months Jul 22 15:58:51 an UMTS model will not appear within the next 12 months Jul 22 15:58:54 that's what i wanted to state Jul 22 15:58:59 Oh, yeah Jul 22 15:59:03 I misunderstood Jul 22 15:59:08 [at least, that's my expectation] Jul 22 15:59:11 Yay for EDGE :-) Jul 22 15:59:11 plans can change *shrug* Jul 22 15:59:16 who needs edge? Jul 22 15:59:21 it's proprietary and slow Jul 22 15:59:26 AppleFayBois Jul 22 15:59:31 er, Fan Jul 22 15:59:37 iShemales? Jul 22 15:59:44 iPhan Jul 22 15:59:49 iSuck Jul 22 15:59:54 iBlow Jul 22 16:00:08 iCum Jul 22 16:00:23 iOutahere Jul 22 16:00:33 I want an ethernet port. Jul 22 16:00:33 ;-P Jul 22 16:00:38 hah Jul 22 16:00:41 usb is okay Jul 22 16:00:42 Gigabit ethernet Jul 22 16:00:45 Yeah, yeah! Jul 22 16:00:48 even though it's crapy Jul 22 16:00:50 crappy Jul 22 16:00:56 and even though you have wireless Jul 22 16:00:56 DaveLab, USB maxes out pretty quickly Jul 22 16:01:54 no kidding :P Jul 22 16:01:59 speaking of which... Jul 22 16:02:36 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r86ac6a7a05aa 10/ (framework/subsystems/ogsmd/objects.py tools/cli-framework): ogsmd: more tweaks to home zone support Jul 22 16:03:16 is openmoko support display different language(Asia),so how should i set my locale? Jul 22 16:03:58 Openfree: As far as I can tell, there's no CJK font in the opkg feeds, but I see no reason why it shouldn't work apart from that. Jul 22 16:04:38 joerg, you awake yet? :) Jul 22 16:05:05 ze germans! Jul 22 16:05:20 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r8ab6e09daf50 10/packages/packagekit/files/force_depends.patch: [packagekit] Add patch force_depends.patch Jul 22 16:06:12 So I hear, contrary to popular misconception, ASU is *still* a total piece of crap :) Jul 22 16:06:20 * Chocky laffs Jul 22 16:06:35 I'm glad I have no been disuaded. Jul 22 16:06:41 Dave says that as if the snapshot will improve Jul 22 16:06:42 not, rather Jul 22 16:07:01 People have been recently led to believe that, or so has been my observation. Jul 22 16:07:04 unless you are planning the "April" bit to become "August" Jul 22 16:07:09 I don't even pity them one bit :D Jul 22 16:07:24 No, it's supposed to be NEXT April :p Jul 22 16:07:30 lies. Jul 22 16:07:41 or a new month we created entirely for the purporses of software development :D Jul 22 16:07:42 there is somewhere on the wiki where it did in fact say August Jul 22 16:07:50 Which is a more plausible story. Jul 22 16:07:53 Assvember Jul 22 16:08:18 so, sorry to ask again - I think it might have gotten lost in the CIA-flood: with fso, does it need to be booted from sd card? it doesn't work "out of the box" when flashed, for me. Jul 22 16:08:21 Asspril == Asprin + April + Ass ? Jul 22 16:08:38 maybe I need a new uboot? (mine's a May 2007 uboot on a GTA01) Jul 22 16:08:43 probably Jul 22 16:08:48 tonyg, it's entirely possible :) Jul 22 16:08:57 which one? :) Jul 22 16:09:00 There have been many uBoot changes fixing numerous issues, of late. Jul 22 16:09:01 all of them! Jul 22 16:09:06 Try the latest :) Jul 22 16:09:10 is anyone here running fso on gta01? Jul 22 16:09:22 .... not off sd. And having some luck getting it to go :) Jul 22 16:09:35 Chocky, hey, lay off my Pokémans! Jul 22 16:09:48 collect 'em all? Jul 22 16:09:53 pretty much ;p Jul 22 16:10:02 you spent too much time in Japan Jul 22 16:10:04 kind of like kernel images now, actually :\ Jul 22 16:10:13 Chocky, Well, I did live there for many years :P Jul 22 16:10:18 * Chocky knows. Jul 22 16:10:18 Can you really blame me? Jul 22 16:10:21 ;) Jul 22 16:10:21 * Chocky remembers all. Jul 22 16:10:25 :o Jul 22 16:10:34 Like some sort of evil mutant elephant!? Jul 22 16:10:37 * DaveLab ph33rs Jul 22 16:10:43 Dave live in Major Mojo Dojo? Jul 22 16:10:53 hahaa Jul 22 16:10:56 :) Jul 22 16:11:01 * DaveLab hungers Jul 22 16:11:15 Oh, and my pizza turned out superbly, last night :D Jul 22 16:11:23 pity me. I lived in the UK :o Jul 22 16:11:25 I had finished cooking three by eleven or so Jul 22 16:11:27 fab. Jul 22 16:11:27 so, if I'm to update uboot - what's a known good uboot for a gta01? Jul 22 16:11:28 Aw Jul 22 16:11:31 I don't Jul 22 16:11:37 I'll just bring my gun to your knife fight :) Jul 22 16:11:52 * Chocky brings his biting sarcasm Jul 22 16:11:56 hah! Jul 22 16:12:03 trumped! Jul 22 16:12:09 * DaveLab brings Chocky some water, to moisen up his humor ;p Jul 22 16:12:13 moisten Jul 22 16:12:28 * Chocky slips and breaks his Assvember Jul 22 16:12:34 haha Jul 22 16:13:10 Jöerg Jul 22 16:13:50 You really are commited, if you're making the effort to type accented keys. Jul 22 16:13:57 bobkare, jeg vet du er der! Jul 22 16:14:03 Chocky, it's easy! Jul 22 16:14:16 You just gotta believe! Jul 22 16:14:19 Well, I'm sure. Harder if you haven't memorised the key code :p Jul 22 16:14:30 ;) Jul 22 16:14:45 or have a super terrorist-like keymap :D Jul 22 16:15:15 Don't tell me it can do Kanji. Jul 22 16:15:16 My freerunner needs more coulombs :[ Jul 22 16:15:24 Chocky, sure :D Jul 22 16:15:36 well, it's a different keymapping Jul 22 16:15:45 I can switch between them easily Jul 22 16:16:00 * Chocky has US keyboards at work and UK ones at home. That's enough :o Jul 22 16:16:06 Ah Jul 22 16:16:12 What's the UK key layout like? Jul 22 16:16:26 Blasphemous as the rest of the language, I presume. Jul 22 16:16:33 bigger enter key, swap @ and ", move | and one or two others. Jul 22 16:16:39 yessir. Jul 22 16:16:42 ;P Jul 22 16:16:52 misspellings and grammatical faux pas everywhere :) Jul 22 16:17:01 oh dear. Jul 22 16:17:06 not to mention intolerable and incomprehensible slang Jul 22 16:17:08 :] Jul 22 16:17:26 Yes, that's American English Jul 22 16:17:30 HAHAHA Jul 22 16:17:31 Hardly. Jul 22 16:17:58 nigga, please :p Jul 22 16:18:30 * Chocky burps in your general direction. Jul 22 16:18:55 Chocky, did you ever use a dvorak keyboard? Jul 22 16:19:18 yes. But not in the way you think you mean. Jul 22 16:19:28 o.O Jul 22 16:19:37 * DaveLab tries not to think further about that Jul 22 16:19:39 Wife's Aunt's last name is Dvorak Jul 22 16:19:58 ;o Jul 22 16:20:00 uh oh Jul 22 16:20:12 * dlowe posts to bash.org Jul 22 16:20:17 then I used a German's azerty keyboard, which had a UK mapping. Jul 22 16:20:26 dlowe: oh dear. it's been some time. Jul 22 16:20:28 kinky Jul 22 16:20:36 dlowe :D Jul 22 16:20:38 * DaveLab high-fives Jul 22 16:21:09 I'm sure my alternate ego is posted all over bash Jul 22 16:21:22 good thing I'm all clandestine and shit :] Jul 22 16:21:27 * DaveLab hides Jul 22 16:22:51 heh Jul 22 16:24:00 hody Jul 22 16:24:00 http://bash.org/?search=dvorak&sort=0&show=25 Jul 22 16:25:13 http://bash.org/?873816 is pending moderation :p Jul 22 16:25:29 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rf262a0fe6f5e 10/otapi/xhtml/docbook-org.freesmartphone.GSM.HZ.xhtml: otapi: add org.freesmartphone.GSM.HZ documentation Jul 22 16:25:32 this demands retribution. Jul 22 16:25:49 I'll let you know when I say something funny. Jul 22 16:25:53 but I'll probably take it out on Dave instead, since he's a much easier target. Jul 22 16:26:49 mickeyl, you're commiting a lot. Jul 22 16:27:05 *nod* Jul 22 16:27:09 must be me working ;) Jul 22 16:27:25 Do we get shipment notifications when our FRs ship? Jul 22 16:27:28 he's a catch for a woman - into commitment Jul 22 16:27:32 haha Jul 22 16:27:33 Sargun: maybe. Jul 22 16:27:37 Chocky, "maybe" Jul 22 16:27:44 Sargun: I got one Jul 22 16:28:04 * Chocky got a phone call. Jul 22 16:28:30 This is my favourite: http://bash.org/?244321 Jul 22 16:28:58 ****** Jul 22 16:29:06 ****! Jul 22 16:29:33 dlowe, when did you order yours Jul 22 16:29:43 Sargun: July 3rd Jul 22 16:30:03 Chocky: definitely ;) Jul 22 16:30:07 ok Jul 22 16:34:14 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rbcc226efd587 10/ (data/themes/zhone_contacts.edc src/zhone): display the phone number in the contacts list Jul 22 16:36:08 before I smash uBoot, I'll try the 2007.11 kernel and image. Jul 22 16:36:17 if they work, chances are I don't need a new uBoot? Jul 22 16:36:38 you should get it anyway Jul 22 16:36:44 tonyg: wait for the "20080723" u-boot images to show up on buildhost. Jul 22 16:36:55 ah, ok - thanks mmontour Jul 22 16:37:02 on the wiki it says "WARNING: Do not flash U-Boot unless you are sure you need to" Jul 22 16:37:24 i don't have a debug board to unbreak it if i need to Jul 22 16:37:24 tsk. Jul 22 16:37:35 It's dangerous on GTA01. Freerunner has a backup copy of u-boot in NOR so it's much safer (just make sure that you can boot into your NOR copy) Jul 22 16:37:37 that's for NOR. you can blow away NAND Jul 22 16:37:40 ah. Jul 22 16:37:53 yeah, I've a GTA01v4 Jul 22 16:38:46 Then I'd wait for someone who has a debug board to try it first. If the image itself is known to be good, then the risk of flashing it is not too high. Jul 22 16:40:15 * Chocky laffs cf the bash.org password thing: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/29-Just-Say-It.aspx Jul 22 16:41:33 mmontour, thanks. Jul 22 16:42:06 Chocky, haha Jul 22 16:44:49 hello, i don't understand...here's my oe build http://pastebin.com/m24d745a6 then i copied the images and runned the flash aplication and then qemu still shows me the old keyboard...why? Jul 22 16:47:52 damn damn i cant wait for the next shipment Jul 22 16:48:03 couldnt they procuce more? ... arghhhh Jul 22 16:48:09 they did :p Jul 22 16:48:13 just wait! Jul 22 16:48:34 should have ordered July 3 :p Jul 22 16:49:12 aggtrfrad: the more you produce in the first batch, the more you have to manually re-work if a hardware bug is found Jul 22 16:49:24 heh Jul 22 16:50:07 e.g. the GPS thing, although it's looking now like the software-only fixes may be good enough Jul 22 16:50:13 thats true Jul 22 16:50:53 and the md5sums are ok(i copied the good images at the good emplacement...) Jul 22 16:51:19 what could be the cause? Jul 22 16:51:21 ok looks like the 2007.11 image and kernel boot fine. it must be the build of the fso-image from mokomakefile that's generated a busted image. either that or the new kernel is broken too. I'll try the new kernel, old image now Jul 22 16:53:33 new kernel hates the sd card. :-( Jul 22 16:53:37 but seems to boot the image ok Jul 22 16:53:54 i conclude that the kernel may or may not be completely ok, but that mokomakefile has built me a useless fso image. Jul 22 16:54:01 aw. Jul 22 16:54:20 well, you have a gta01, you must be persistent ;-) Jul 22 16:54:26 tell me about it. Jul 22 16:54:53 but not as dumb as these guys: http://nctimes.com/articles/2008/07/22/ap/strange/d922ndfg0.txt Jul 22 16:56:32 tonyg: make sure that you're using the right repository (OM_GIT_BRANCH etc.) for fso-image. (I don't know which one is "right", as I haven't been following fso-image very closely) Jul 22 16:57:20 Chocky, Second degree burglary? then what is first degree? Jul 22 16:57:29 mmontour, that could be it. I have OM_GIT_SITE := git.openmoko.org, OM_GIT_BRANCH := org.openmoko.dev Jul 22 16:57:30 dunno. Jul 22 16:57:54 I'm trying to execute this command but I have a Freerunner: root@fic-gta01:~$ echo "1" > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on Jul 22 16:57:57 ah, OM_GIT_BRANCH got stomped when I ran update-makefile Jul 22 16:58:29 In what do I have to change neo1973 ? Jul 22 17:01:35 Hi! Jul 22 17:01:45 Bug 666 hit me. :( Jul 22 17:03:15 sounds like the San Andreas fault. Jul 22 17:03:45 dammit Dave, laugh. Jul 22 17:04:35 me too andreas :( Jul 22 17:05:27 fspde: It's really annoying. Is your SIM card a Gemplus one too? Jul 22 17:05:49 I want to try out qtopia - is there a procedure if something goes terrorbly wrong? Jul 22 17:05:57 i think so, at least there is a "G" somewhere between the numbers Jul 22 17:07:02 how do I install socat? Jul 22 17:07:48 fspde: Does it have the distinctive round shape, as in https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/666/O2SIM-nonworking.png ? Jul 22 17:12:49 andreas, that's correct Jul 22 17:13:03 3G, I assume? Jul 22 17:13:20 i don't know, maybe, it's pretty fresh Jul 22 17:13:34 Well, did you ever use it for UMTS? Jul 22 17:13:49 nope, and i'll surely never will :) Jul 22 17:13:58 anyone? Jul 22 17:15:17 andreas, what is your provider by the way? Jul 22 17:15:37 fspde: E-Plus, but that doesn't seem to make any difference. Jul 22 17:15:46 german one? Jul 22 17:15:51 Yep. Jul 22 17:17:03 we should make up a sub-page in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers then for our carriers and SIM cards, don't you think? Jul 22 17:17:26 mine is vodafone (german too) Jul 22 17:19:03 but i'm not shure how to categorize... Jul 22 17:19:29 Well, I think the relevant information is already there: "Older 3G cards don't work". Jul 22 17:19:37 For E-Plus. Jul 22 17:20:12 how software compatible is the old neo 1973 with the new freerunner? Jul 22 17:20:12 hm, you got a point :) Jul 22 17:22:07 I have a terrible feeling that I'll leave the crazy stuff to everyone else, and stick with python development for the phone Jul 22 17:22:15 (yay python sockets + freenode) Jul 22 17:26:32 mjr: Thanks for writing to cryptophone. Should be interesting so see their reply. Jul 22 17:27:24 Kensan: As in "the manufacturer of encrypted cell phones"? Jul 22 17:28:27 andreas: yes, indeed. Jul 22 17:28:43 Kensan: I used to work for them, what was it about? Jul 22 17:30:00 about the allowable protocol specs to base an interoperable implementation on Jul 22 17:30:02 andreas: may I point you directly to the email: http://networld.to/pipermail/moksec-public/2008-July/000009.html Jul 22 17:30:42 andreas: may I ask in what capacity you were working for them? Jul 22 17:31:07 Cryptanalysis and reverse engineering. Jul 22 17:31:21 andreas: cool, sounds interesting :) Jul 22 17:31:29 There's the source code available, don't expect any more information than that. :) Jul 22 17:32:02 andreas: well it is stated that one is not to use the source so there's not much left to go on... Jul 22 17:32:51 indeed, and they at least allude to some public spec being available Jul 22 17:33:31 Well, the usual approach is have person A read the source and write a spec, and person B read the spec and write the re-implementation. Jul 22 17:33:59 andreas: ok, so there's no other docs *heh*. Jul 22 17:34:06 skyler01 Jul 22 17:34:06 yeah I suppose one could do the usual clean-room thing Jul 22 17:34:34 Just this alludes to there being a published spec: "You are perfectly free to develop a compatible product on the base of the published CryptoPhone protocol, but not using our source." Jul 22 17:34:48 (from their Q&A) Jul 22 17:34:48 I can neither confirm nor deny the existence or non-existence of the information requested. *cough* :) Jul 22 17:35:06 andreas: if you are interested maybe you want to join the mokosec mailinglist: http://networld.to/mailman/listinfo/moksec-public Jul 22 17:35:44 andreas: well said ;) Jul 22 17:37:07 Subscribed to the list. Now, dinner, bbl. Jul 22 17:37:27 andreas: cool, mahlzeit. Jul 22 17:38:07 mjr: there's an opportunity to use your social engineering skills ;) Jul 22 17:41:37 should calls, messaging, etc. be working on the ASU image? Jul 22 17:42:48 hah Jul 22 17:43:07 it's about time we recommended against ASU Jul 22 17:43:55 ah, I guess I'll just go back to the old stuff then Jul 22 17:44:05 pity, because I much prefer the keyboard in ASU Jul 22 17:44:07 try the nightlies. much better. Jul 22 17:44:13 er, dailies. Jul 22 17:44:16 I am Jul 22 17:44:25 I'm using the qtopia-x11 image from yesterday Jul 22 17:44:30 the point is that April != July :o Jul 22 17:44:34 but I can't dial, receive or send messages Jul 22 17:44:42 not so hot Jul 22 17:45:10 and since everything seems to be hidden away in the qpe process I have no idea what's wrong Jul 22 17:46:19 anyone? Jul 22 17:46:51 wut? Jul 22 17:47:22 bueller Jul 22 17:47:33 cliche. Jul 22 17:49:30 http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2387774836.html Jul 22 17:50:00 Hello. Is the ASU packga different from qtopia.net package? Jul 22 17:50:17 someone make a FAQ already Jul 22 17:50:18 yes Jul 22 17:50:27 ASU is not qtopia Jul 22 17:52:17 I see.. I think I flashed the qtopia.net version then, instead of ASU. Jul 22 17:54:12 nad? what'd you think of it? Jul 22 17:54:17 err, and Jul 22 17:57:40 Well, compared to OM2007.2, it worked much better. Jul 22 17:57:48 It actually made calls and stuff. Jul 22 17:59:43 It is pretty responsive too. I haven't tried ASU yet. Jul 22 18:00:19 do you think it is missing anything? Jul 22 18:03:33 The qtopia package? Browser... Jul 22 18:04:20 Actually, none of the packages have browser. Jul 22 18:04:32 looking for assistance, can't get USB networking -- working yet :/ http://www.pastebin.ca/1079702 Jul 22 18:05:13 ./proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward with 1 in it doesn't seem to be working/acting as a gateway? Jul 22 18:05:13 I thought that QT had a webkit browser integrated? Jul 22 18:05:28 Yashy: the FR's ip address is 192.168.0.202, so your usb0 address must reflect that Jul 22 18:05:36 on the 2007.2 image, is there a way to close apps, other then hitting the power button? this is very annoying? Jul 22 18:05:43 Yashy: don't try to put it on your 192.168.1 network Jul 22 18:05:45 s/then/than/ Jul 22 18:06:10 Yashy: in fact, you won't go wrong if you just follow the instructions in USB_Networking to the letter Jul 22 18:06:22 dlowe: oops, I changed to be on the desktop network, I'll switch it back and try. Thanks! Jul 22 18:06:24 Zorkman, I think the power button is a rather straightforward way, but there is the task manager where you can stop them... Jul 22 18:06:43 I tried the USB_Networking to the letter and it didn't work, hence my attempt to move it onto my subnet Jul 22 18:06:47 I'll try again Jul 22 18:07:02 Zandini: web browser is coming in qtopia 4.4 Jul 22 18:07:05 mjr: true, it is very straightforward, but I find it not very handy/userfriendly, I have to re-grip my device everytime Jul 22 18:07:10 wget: bad address this means that there is no internet? Jul 22 18:07:12 Yashy: I find that I have to run /etc/init.d/networking restart if I plug in the FR after booting Jul 22 18:07:27 Oh I see. Is qtopia.net package better than ASU? Jul 22 18:07:52 Zandini: it is faster and more reliable imho, but lacks gps and internet as far as i know Jul 22 18:09:21 i think its better. and I am not biased :) Jul 22 18:09:35 anyone know if there is any info on packages needed for gtk apps to look right on ASU? Jul 22 18:11:33 :-) Jul 22 18:12:25 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r801720284736 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Sort the entries with FILENAME by alphabet ordering. Jul 22 18:12:25 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5b44fd753c5f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: [srcdate] Bump the EFL version. Jul 22 18:12:26 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4134d6f86a83 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Bump the illume rev to get a version that will use the Qtopia keyboard Jul 22 18:12:27 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd34e703d2b64 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [opkg] Bump up the reversion of opkg to 4545 Jul 22 18:12:29 OK I'm using 192.168.0.200 and 0.202 as teh default, and I still can't resolve DNS through my desktop Jul 22 18:12:30 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc2fe1f1fb06f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up the reversion of assassin to 202 Jul 22 18:12:33 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb753e21e8b01 10/packages/packagekit/packagekit_git.bb: [packagekit] Add a patch to packagekit Jul 22 18:12:36 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5d5f34ae2375 10/packages/packagekit/files/force_depends.patch: [packagekit] Add patch force_depends.patch Jul 22 18:12:39 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5ff27065b33e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get a better ringtone, ringtone delay, callscreen fixes... Jul 22 18:12:42 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd8a607ce933b 10/packages/packagekit/packagekit_git.bb: [packagekit] Disable generation of the docbook Jul 22 18:13:20 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re66ebb74cba2 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get a better ringtone, ringtone delay, callscreen fixes... Jul 22 18:13:21 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r4fde675e3458 10/packages/packagekit/packagekit_git.bb: [packagekit] Disable generation of the docbook Jul 22 18:13:39 got tangogps and openmoko-agpsui installed and on the main app launcher screen, but the fonts are guhe and the uis are not all the useable for not fitting on the screen Jul 22 18:13:49 huge* Jul 22 18:13:54 * Chocky has seen that. Jul 22 18:13:57 bigmess. Jul 22 18:14:15 know how to fix it? Jul 22 18:14:30 report a bug :o Jul 22 18:14:42 but try latest version first Jul 22 18:14:52 anyone? Jul 22 18:15:03 gnu{-: script? Jul 22 18:15:03 but the app works fine - i just need the gtk themes/etc installed Jul 22 18:15:10 Chocky, script? Jul 22 18:15:16 you keep saying "anyone?" Jul 22 18:15:24 anyone? Jul 22 18:15:42 anywhere? Jul 22 18:15:48 tiddlypeeps Jul 22 18:15:51 Chocky, it's because i have an issue and nobody answered...i'll re-explain the issue Jul 22 18:15:59 it has looooooong since scrolled. Jul 22 18:16:39 ChanServ, here's my oe build http://pastebin.com/m24d745a6 then i copied the images and ran the flash aplication and then qemu still shown me the old keyboard...why? Jul 22 18:16:40 what is url for the openmoko bug tracker? I was on it just the other day, but can't find a link now. seems like something that would do well to have on the wiki home page Jul 22 18:17:57 s/ChanServ,/ Chocky Jul 22 18:19:07 ping works from .0.200 to 0.202 and vice versa only if I do -I usb0 Jul 22 18:19:43 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r103da729549b 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for settingsgui-0.8 Jul 22 18:19:43 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r34c718be9c3d 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Remove the duplicate entry Jul 22 18:19:45 you routing is moosed Jul 22 18:19:46 Yashy: your routing table isn't set up correctly, then Jul 22 18:19:49 snap! Jul 22 18:19:57 <- builds routers. Jul 22 18:19:58 Yashy, mabe it's your routes... Jul 22 18:20:00 Yashy: check the getting started page, it gives good detail on settong up the network link Jul 22 18:20:15 your other interface is in the same subnet Jul 22 18:20:21 or worse, has the same IP Jul 22 18:20:43 my LAN is 192.168.1.* the usb0's are 192.168.0.* Jul 22 18:20:57 and the netmasks? Jul 22 18:20:57 How can I install socat on my Neo? Jul 22 18:21:17 Do I manually have to build routes from the phone to my desktop and to the name server? Jul 22 18:21:28 I'm following USB_Networking Jul 22 18:21:32 not uusally Jul 22 18:21:40 unless you have a really odd setup Jul 22 18:22:03 Once I get it working I'll add what worked for me to the wiki Jul 22 18:22:11 Not sure what to do next Jul 22 18:22:14 configuring the interface is sufficient to add a suitable subnet route. y Jul 22 18:23:43 actually, that's not strictly correct, but anyhoo. Jul 22 18:24:36 hey, I was just reading a page on good ol' crazy greenpeace about how the iPhone is treated with all these toxic chemicals compared to other phones, and I was wondering if anyone knows anything about the Fr's environmental impact? Jul 22 18:24:44 one of the problems with the wiki instructions is that they assume a DNS server on your routing machine, which often isn't the case Jul 22 18:25:00 sevenhundred: yes, there's only 1/10000th the number. Jul 22 18:25:38 lol :) Jul 22 18:25:50 Chocky: lol yeah, but per phone :P Jul 22 18:26:09 here's the link: http://www.greenpeace.org/international/news/how-green-is-that-iphone140607 Jul 22 18:26:18 doesn't matter if FR is twice as bad (although I hope not), but other phones are made by the millions, so the comparison is moot. Jul 22 18:26:41 sevenhundred, I don't think there's a "green" way to manufacture silicon chips at all, and plastic is just plain ol' bad, so I can't imagine it's a particularly greener process than anything else Jul 22 18:26:50 but Chocky makes a good point... there just aren't as many FRs Jul 22 18:27:43 think of FR as Nuclear and iPhone as coal :o Jul 22 18:27:51 ooh I like that :-) Jul 22 18:29:08 coal kills tens of thousands of people per year, and causes global warning. Last nuclear deaths were the aftermath of chernobyl, and that was due to cost cutting measures. And any way, that's been a boon for wildlife. Jul 22 18:29:21 you can't really say the FR is better for the environment because there's fewer of them; it's like saying cars with no seatbelts are safer than cars with, because nobody drives in a car without seatbelts Jul 22 18:29:41 sevenhundred: please, no car analogies, and no, it's nothing like that at all. Jul 22 18:29:51 i would tend to say chernobyl is still killing Jul 22 18:29:57 I tried to test my SIM card manually. But it hangs on Connected. Does this mean that my Sim isn'nt supported? Jul 22 18:30:08 lpotter: the animals aren't ;-) Jul 22 18:30:57 Chocky, have you any idea of the solution for my issue? Jul 22 18:31:00 and that's called begging the question, FWIW Jul 22 18:31:08 gnu{-: no, but asking it again is a good start ;-) Jul 22 18:31:11 fnar. Jul 22 18:31:26 Chocky, ok thanks Jul 22 18:32:07 here's my oe build http://pastebin.com/m24d745a6 then i copied the images and ran the flash aplication and then qemu still shown me the old keyboard...does someone knows why? or should I ask in the open embedded channel? Jul 22 18:32:20 maybe you need a Dave. or that. Jul 22 18:33:36 alright, I was just curious about which of the phones (per phone) was the greenest Jul 22 18:34:06 IMO, you should be worried about the car you're driving (and not do it) rather than your phone. Jul 22 18:34:07 ok Jul 22 18:34:28 sevenhundred, I WOULD say that the OM is probably built with more conventional components, so it is possible the process has had more refinement over time... as I understand it, the iPhone uses a lot of brand new technology Jul 22 18:34:40 jtickle: not really Jul 22 18:34:49 jtickle: they are pretty much similar Jul 22 18:34:50 could go either way. Jul 22 18:34:53 of course I could be wrong :-P Jul 22 18:34:54 but Apple Jul 22 18:35:00 blah. Jul 22 18:35:37 jtickle: the iphone and the freerunner PCBs are really quite similar in design. Jul 22 18:35:47 and you are recylcling everything at home, right? That will have much more of a positive impact than a small scale run of an electronics device. Jul 22 18:35:48 There is nothing especially magic about either. Jul 22 18:35:51 but yes, driving a car does much more damage to the environment than making an iPhone AND an OM could ever compare to Jul 22 18:36:06 Chocky, I don't have a car. Not because I'm an environmentalist but because I'm poor Jul 22 18:36:15 sevenhundred: touche. Jul 22 18:36:40 hai Jul 22 18:36:44 can i has openmoko? Jul 22 18:36:45 bai Jul 22 18:36:45 SpeedEvil, interesting, I guess I need to check my sources before making assumptions Jul 22 18:37:00 igor321: no. Jul 22 18:37:12 jtickle: dammit, this is IRC! Jul 22 18:37:12 Chocky: but i wants Jul 22 18:37:32 SpeedEvil: I guess one of the devices has a fantastic effect on the reality distortion field of the owner ;) Jul 22 18:37:35 igor321: not urs. go awei Jul 22 18:37:50 car or iPhone? Jul 22 18:38:03 both? Jul 22 18:38:08 dlowe: i'm in ur openmoko breakin ur suspens Jul 22 18:38:17 suspend Jul 22 18:38:33 daln, you're in mine too Jul 22 18:38:35 your trolling doesn't look so clever when you make a sad mistake. Jul 22 18:38:58 igor321: u looz at speling. kthx bai Jul 22 18:39:11 noooo i wuz not trolling Jul 22 18:39:18 uh huh. Jul 22 18:39:58 i'm just a future dev, i thought openmoko guys would be LOLCAT friendly Jul 22 18:40:18 rotflcopter. Jul 22 18:40:23 igor321: it's funny in small doses, I think Jul 22 18:40:32 Blalien: you could try the commands from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM Jul 22 18:40:36 http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=1SWOASRBCDLKMQSNDLPSKH0CJUNN2JVN?articleID=209000014 - iphone teardown Jul 22 18:40:37 I like to keep my lolspeak in the captions Jul 22 18:40:47 however, if you want to run LOLCODE on the Moko, feel free ;-) Jul 22 18:40:56 After 14 years, trust me, I'm real tired of lolspeak. Jul 22 18:41:05 http://i.cmpnet.com/techonline/uth/pmiPhone_boardtopBIG.jpg Jul 22 18:41:14 i dunno, i find it funny, looking forwart to translatinog ASU to lolspeak Jul 22 18:41:55 is it normal that in the 2007.2 image there is no time indication when you look at your recieved messages? Jul 22 18:41:57 wow SpeedEvil, thanks Jul 22 18:42:16 ok so I have a question about the images Jul 22 18:42:36 what do I get out of the Daily Builds that I wouldn't get if I did "opkg update; opkg upgrade"? Jul 22 18:42:48 what is the difference between that and what came stock on the phone? Jul 22 18:42:50 looking for help with USB_Networking http://www.pastebin.ca/1079741 I've pasted my routing tables on both sides Jul 22 18:42:56 jtickle: u-boot, but that's probably about it. Jul 22 18:43:00 and are the daily builds and "ASU" the same thing? Jul 22 18:43:01 ah Jul 22 18:43:16 Yashy: route add -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.0.200 dev usb0 Jul 22 18:43:17 stock = old Jul 22 18:43:22 Yashy: on the FR side Jul 22 18:44:11 Yashy: paste the result of iptables -t nat -L and iptables -L Jul 22 18:44:57 er, on the host side Jul 22 18:45:25 SpeedEvil: Any way to add the 5V to the USB of the GTA01, Any wikis? Jul 22 18:45:34 KrisAbsinthe: not simply Jul 22 18:46:07 dlowe: http://www.pastebin.ca/1079750 I only have MASQ on Jul 22 18:46:09 KrisAbsinthe: or rather - I don't have a magic solution that's easier than installing a 5V step-up unit. Jul 22 18:46:28 SpeedEvil: Just got my first issue of Make Magazine, its pretty sweet Jul 22 18:47:03 dlowe: I added the route you specified, same results, can't resolve DNS. I'm trying 192.168.0.200 and 192.168.1.10 with nslookup as the nameserver Jul 22 18:47:55 Yashy: you'll want to edit /etc/resolv.conf on your FR Jul 22 18:48:09 Yashy: unless you've got a DNS server running on your host Jul 22 18:48:29 Yashy: what do you get from cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward? Jul 22 18:48:34 (on host) Jul 22 18:48:58 I'm trying it manually right now # nslookup openmoko.com 192.168.1.10 Jul 22 18:49:18 can you ping 192.168.1.10? Jul 22 18:49:21 $ cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Jul 22 18:49:21 1 Jul 22 18:49:42 It doesn't seem to be ip_forwarding though :( Jul 22 18:49:45 no Jul 22 18:50:03 I can ping 192.168.0.200 (desktop usb0) and 192.168.1.11 (desktop eth0) Jul 22 18:50:22 that seems to be it, can't ping other machines on the 192.168.1.* network Jul 22 18:51:29 do I need to add a route from my named/gateway back to it? like 192.168.0.0/24 gw 192.168.1.11 Jul 22 18:51:45 Yashy: no, the NAT on your host should take care of that Jul 22 18:51:54 not sure what else to try Jul 22 18:52:19 can you ping 192.168.1.10 from your host? Jul 22 18:54:11 heh, networking problems. Jul 22 18:54:24 there's always a comedy setup. Jul 22 18:54:37 Chocky: and a punchline (you hope) Jul 22 18:54:43 only sometimes. Jul 22 18:54:48 otherwise it starts becoming a tragedy Jul 22 18:54:58 blaming the ISP is a good act. Jul 22 18:55:09 I think I lost my audience Jul 22 18:55:16 wasn't in the script. Jul 22 18:55:47 yes, and right now the hallway outside my office is fully of wannabe actors - there's an acting school next door. "casting couch" comes to mind. Jul 22 18:56:15 San Diego for acting doesn't seem like an obvious first choice. Not in a 3rd rate building ;-) Jul 22 18:56:38 so I can't ping 192.168.1.10, but I am using it for named from the desktop Jul 22 18:56:49 still no ideas on what needs to be installed on asu to make 2007.2 apps look like they are supposed to? Jul 22 18:57:02 You didn't lose me, you seem to be my only home :) Jul 22 18:57:41 Yashy: you can't ping it from the host? Jul 22 18:57:43 from the desktop I can "telnet 192.168.1.10 53" Jul 22 18:57:59 * dlowe has to go in a minute. Jul 22 18:58:12 * Chocky applauds Jul 22 18:58:34 but from the FR I can't "telnet 192.168.1.10 53", so it doesn't appear to be acting as a gateway? Jul 22 18:58:44 Is a connection with 10 satellites good enough? Jul 22 18:58:48 DNS is UDP, not TCP Jul 22 18:58:57 Yashy: perhaps your nameserver is set up to only service its local network Jul 22 18:59:07 Chocky: it can be TCP, it's just generally not. Jul 22 18:59:10 yeah, IIRC ICMP is blocked on the LAN Jul 22 18:59:12 yes, yes. pedantic. Jul 22 18:59:20 that's me :) Jul 22 18:59:22 * Chocky _knew_ someone would pipe up :p Jul 22 18:59:33 * dlowe is afk. Jul 22 18:59:42 and yes, if you have Vista, ICMP is off by default. Jul 22 18:59:47 that old cookie. Jul 22 18:59:52 dlowe: Well, I run the named. (bind9 on FreeBSD) Jul 22 19:00:03 OK, well thanks for your help debugging thus far, dlowe. Jul 22 19:00:09 nothing stopping you pointing FR DNS at your upstream DNS Jul 22 19:00:41 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r51fd5581f0cd 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): implement SMS display Jul 22 19:01:24 Chocky: I can't seem to get passed my desktop, it doesn't seem to be acting as a gateway Jul 22 19:01:31 past Jul 22 19:01:49 no, past is history Jul 22 19:01:54 well, I dunno anything about NAT on BSD Jul 22 19:02:02 no, past has several meanings. Jul 22 19:02:07 My correction, is er, correct. Jul 22 19:02:12 You shouldn't need too, the desktop is ubuntu Jul 22 19:02:27 oh, I read the FreeBSD bit. :o Jul 22 19:03:07 For the record, you are incorrect on your usage of past, and I was correct using "passed", but this is wasting both of our time. Jul 22 19:03:19 For the record, I"m not. Jul 22 19:03:41 And clarity is rarely a waste of time. Jul 22 19:03:49 Past \Past\, n. Jul 22 19:03:49 A former time or state; a state of things gone by. "The past, Jul 22 19:03:49 at least, is secure." --D. Webster. Jul 22 19:03:59 Yes, that is one meaning, as I said. Jul 22 19:04:06 Pass \Pass\ (p[.a]s, p[a^]s), v. i. [imp. & p. p. Passed; p. Jul 22 19:04:06 pr. & vb. n. Passing.] [F. passer, LL. passare, fr. L. Jul 22 19:04:06 passus step, or from pandere, passum, to spread out, lay Jul 22 19:04:06 open. See Pace.] Jul 22 19:04:06 1. To go; to move; to proceed; to be moved or transferred Jul 22 19:04:07 from one point to another; to make a transit; Jul 22 19:04:22 yes, but not "passed" in your usage. It is an adjective. Jul 22 19:04:27 packets go passed, not past. Jul 22 19:04:33 no, they don't. Jul 22 19:04:37 * Yashy boggles Jul 22 19:04:43 is this #grammar-nazies? :P Jul 22 19:04:49 Welcome to English. Some words have many meanings. Jul 22 19:04:56 It's not even a debate, Letoto. Jul 22 19:04:58 packets _get_ passed, they _go_ past. Jul 22 19:05:36 Try looking up the 14 or so meanings of "set" :o Jul 22 19:05:52 That has no relevance to our discussion. Jul 22 19:06:07 neither does get or go Jul 22 19:06:08 Clarity is always relevant. Jul 22 19:06:18 Is that a way of backing down ;-) Jul 22 19:06:22 You corrected my passed with past, which is factually incorrect. End of story. Jul 22 19:06:25 can i has passt Jul 22 19:06:47 It's not end of story, if you can't rebuke my point. Jul 22 19:06:59 You have no relevant point. Jul 22 19:07:04 The mistake should be obvious to any native speaker. Jul 22 19:07:16 * Chocky thinks Yashy is getting upset. Jul 22 19:07:56 You are arguing that packets are a former time or state as opposed to something that moves or travels. Jul 22 19:08:01 Nope. Jul 22 19:08:16 You are insisting that "past" only has one meaning, which is clearly not true. Jul 22 19:08:26 hey, you two are funny Jul 22 19:08:30 are you here often? Jul 22 19:08:31 Fossi: I try. Jul 22 19:08:35 I'm not insisting it has only one meaning, where did I say that? Jul 22 19:08:39 where iz mah pakkit?!?111! Jul 22 19:08:43 i might actually come back ;D Jul 22 19:08:51 it passt --- oh noes Jul 22 19:09:15 Yashy: you have insisted on that meaning several times. If you don't agree, then you accept that it has additional defintions, consistent with what I've said. Jul 22 19:09:24 I gave you dictionary definitions. If you don't believe those, there is nothing else I can do. Jul 22 19:09:39 Yashy: the flaws in your logic are obvious. Jul 22 19:09:56 OK let me as you then, give me a defintion of "past" in reference to a packet passing something. Jul 22 19:09:58 you gave me a defintion for "pass" which is in fact, not a word that you used. Jul 22 19:10:14 "first past the post" Jul 22 19:10:39 "first passed the post" happens to also be valid, but different meaning ;-) Jul 22 19:10:45 that is based on time/state in your example Jul 22 19:11:12 hello :) Jul 22 19:11:26 hello Jul 22 19:11:32 hello Jul 22 19:11:41 hoi Jul 22 19:11:47 (can we drown out the grammar debate with "hello"s?) Jul 22 19:11:48 would anyone happen to know how to stop X from hiding the mouse cursor? Jul 22 19:12:01 i'm using a freerunner w/ Today 2007.2 Jul 22 19:12:08 "I can't seem to get passed my desktop" I'm not discussing time/space, I'm talking about an action, obviously. Jul 22 19:12:48 I removed the -hide-cursor line from /etc/X11/Xserver, but something is still hiding it when the boot process completes Jul 22 19:12:54 mike--2: Look through "ps auxww" ... I think I saw a hide-cursor option in there somewhere.... Jul 22 19:12:57 oh. Jul 22 19:13:11 * retracile swings and misses Jul 22 19:13:35 * Yashy was trolled good there Jul 22 19:13:43 and still wrong ;-) Jul 22 19:14:17 * Yashy sets the ignorant on ignore Jul 22 19:14:20 "passed my desktop" means that someone handed it to you. Jul 22 19:14:28 did that, in fact, happen? Jul 22 19:14:35 of that you personally walked past it Jul 22 19:15:04 mike--2: ps auxww | grep -i hide has two hits on my FR. Jul 22 19:15:08 retracile: that was a good idea, it looks like matchbox has a "-use_cursor no" option as well Jul 22 19:15:09 passed is past tense. Since it hasn't happened yet, it is not correct. Jul 22 19:15:40 so anyway, my frerunner will arrive any day now Jul 22 19:15:57 has that day passed :p Jul 22 19:17:05 mike--2: I'm curious: why do you want to? Jul 22 19:17:11 the day when it was sent from Germany has soon passed, and will then be in the past :P Jul 22 19:17:51 so passe! Jul 22 19:18:24 The player can't get past the linebacker to get passed the ball! Jul 22 19:18:26 * retracile ducks Jul 22 19:18:37 unfortunately, the two words _are_ very similar, but to many people the difference when it's wrong sticks out like a sore thumb. Jul 22 19:18:52 * Chocky rotflcopter retractile Jul 22 19:19:11 retracile: i'm running synergy, and I can't see where the mouse is :) Jul 22 19:19:17 Where do I use the AT commands? Jul 22 19:19:20 Chocky: Some one will loose the argument soon enough, and lose the hounds of war. ;P Jul 22 19:19:28 * Chocky spanks. Jul 22 19:19:39 than its best too be careful with the spelling Jul 22 19:19:59 retracile: There was no argument. Someone was trolling that obviously doesn't specialize in English. Jul 22 19:20:40 Yashy: Problem is, I think he's right... Jul 22 19:20:46 retracile: Normally I wouldn't care, but in this case the person tried to correct me, incorrectly, so I had to correct them :) Jul 22 19:21:05 oh :( Jul 22 19:21:10 heh :) Jul 22 19:21:17 Even though I pasted the definitions of each? Jul 22 19:21:23 ah, he's all bent of shape. Jul 22 19:21:40 maybe he'll get past it. Jul 22 19:21:53 Okay, I read about this pactl program to work around the no-sound-on-resume bug... but it's not on my phone. What package is it in? Jul 22 19:22:08 "past" has at least a dozen meanings, so he clearly didn't past them all. Jul 22 19:22:19 er, paste! Jul 22 19:22:31 * jtickle can't believe he's getting into this, but chocky is definitely right here Jul 22 19:22:32 Yashy: http://www.answers.com/past&r=67 ... see the adv. section Jul 22 19:22:38 "past" is a preposition Jul 22 19:22:39 Ah, pulseaudio-misc. Jul 22 19:23:06 * retracile can't believe he's been dragged into this.... and gets back to work Jul 22 19:23:17 2b: "in a course or direction going close to and then beyond " Jul 22 19:23:20 m-w.com Jul 22 19:23:40 but all of that has nothing to do with whether packets can get past OR passed a computer Jul 22 19:24:03 Yashy, i'm running Ubuntu and had NetworkManager do something weird the first time I tried it Jul 22 19:24:14 make sure to check it out and make sure it's not messing with your network configuration Jul 22 19:24:47 Yay, I get my sound back even after suspend/resume! Jul 22 19:25:10 jtickle: Do you remember what the weirdness was? :) I'm at the end of my rope Jul 22 19:25:31 unfortunately I don't think we're having the same problem, because it decided to use USB as my main Internet connection and I couldn't get out at all Jul 22 19:25:53 I had to unplug the USB and force it back to my wireless connection Jul 22 19:25:54 ahh nope. I'm using the desktop right now to IRC Jul 22 19:26:02 ok Jul 22 19:26:13 It's the usb -> eth routing that I don't think is working correctly Jul 22 19:26:14 now check ifconfig and make sure your USB connection is actually staying up Jul 22 19:26:19 ah :-/ Jul 22 19:26:32 jtickle: things like that will add a default route, which isn't really what you want of course :o Jul 22 19:26:35 I'm connected in another terminal to the NF Jul 22 19:26:40 indeed Jul 22 19:26:47 * Chocky fears that that page is another I might have to rewrite Jul 22 19:26:57 * Chocky deals with devices that have several default routes Jul 22 19:27:39 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rc4bc1b55721c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade our kernel, some more charging patches done by andy Jul 22 19:27:42 Lo-lan-do: Is this on a wiki somewhere? I have my FR ordered by no arrived yet. This is is good stuff I'm sure I'll need. Jul 22 19:27:44 anyone running 2007.2 - do you jave .gtkrc-2.0 in $HOME ? Jul 22 19:27:52 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8c2f4944b831 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade our kernel, some more charging patches done by andy Jul 22 19:27:59 in many ways, it's better than to use wifi. Jul 22 19:28:13 dino-: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1599 + install pulseaudio-misc Jul 22 19:28:14 that'll normally DHCP to a router that is in fact, a router. Jul 22 19:28:22 and if so - what are it's contents? Jul 22 19:28:47 dino-: I picked a few bits only, not sure I wanted to suspend the GSM. Jul 22 19:28:54 ChanServ, once I convinced NetworkManager that the USB connection was not the way to the Internet, I had no trouble following the instructions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Jul 22 19:28:57 er Jul 22 19:28:58 not chanserv Jul 22 19:29:01 chocky, ^^ Jul 22 19:29:13 Actually, it's worth trying. Jul 22 19:29:36 Thanks. I'll have to learn how it works, the suspend. I tend to like my phone able to take calls 24/7 if possible. Jul 22 19:29:54 Yashy, what is your LAN's netmask? if it's 192.168.0.*, there may be a problem Jul 22 19:30:16 I following USB_Networking, but it didn't work. Once I get mine working I'll update the wiki page with whatever I needed to do. Jul 22 19:30:19 openmoko: 03zecke * r4549 10/developers/zecke/app_restarter/ (GNUmakefile app_restarter.c): Jul 22 19:30:19 openmoko: app_restarter: Use some e_alert.c code to provide a X11 interface to ask the user Jul 22 19:30:19 openmoko: Ask the user if an application should be restarted or not Jul 22 19:30:31 can i boot from ext2 rootfs on the flash card if i have multiple partitions on it? Jul 22 19:31:06 http://pastebin.com/me674e6b is my routing tables Jul 22 19:31:51 hello, I have a strange problem with opkg: http://pastebin.org/55776 the package shows up in opkg list, but opkg install doesn't know it. I ran opkg update, but it won't help. Any ideas? Jul 22 19:32:54 I just used "ifup usb0" personally. The only problem with that is if it's unplugged, it still thinks it's up, then you need to do ifdown, ifup Jul 22 19:33:11 and then I have different DNS depending upon work/home Jul 22 19:33:23 so 100% satisfactory Jul 22 19:33:25 er Jul 22 19:33:26 usb0 is up, I'm connected to it Jul 22 19:33:28 not 100% Jul 22 19:33:37 it = NF Jul 22 19:33:42 dino-: Apparently the scripts provided by mwebster don't prevent your phone from ringing when suspended. Jul 22 19:33:54 root@om-gta02:~# Jul 22 19:34:07 I just can't resolve DNS or get passed the desktop as a gateway Jul 22 19:34:18 past! Jul 22 19:34:31 Yashy: Did you do the iptables masquerade dance? Jul 22 19:35:17 Right. So now GPS works, sound works after a suspend/resume. Two down, one to go: I just need to code something that will keep the phone awake when I'm in a call. Jul 22 19:35:38 Code something, or find someone who did *hint* *hint*. Jul 22 19:35:52 Lo-lan-do: use silver coins. Jul 22 19:35:56 http://pastebin.com/m20acbb4b I've added iptables output Jul 22 19:36:11 My friend is saying he doesn't have the 'qwerty' button in the upper left on his ASU phone... is there some package you have to install to get that? Jul 22 19:36:18 I thought it was in there from the beginning. Jul 22 19:36:58 Lo-lan-do: cool, it's good to see the actvity here Jul 22 19:37:53 Is everything moving/moved over to that Qt interface? Jul 22 19:38:08 ish Jul 22 19:38:09 duh uboot doesnt support booting root= on ext2 on sdcard. just grabbing a uImage.bin from the sdcard fs :P Jul 22 19:38:20 LetoTo: it does, but you need uboot Jul 22 19:38:21 dino: I hope not. FSO us much better Jul 22 19:38:24 ah, got the theme working, just need the default font size now Jul 22 19:38:32 Yashy: I don't have your third route on my desktop. Jul 22 19:38:44 chocky: can explain that? Jul 22 19:38:51 Yashy: It looks like "192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0" here Jul 22 19:38:54 your u-boot is teh oldy. Jul 22 19:39:18 * Chocky invokes mmontour Jul 22 19:39:53 I see, I have to do a ton of reading. After my Nokia n770, I doubt I can be disappointed any further. So, this is very exciting. Jul 22 19:39:54 chicky: is it? Jul 22 19:40:07 chocky :) Jul 22 19:40:31 well, I assume it is too old, since you don't say, but it can certainly boot from ext2/3 in latest. Jul 22 19:40:57 you probably need today's daily. Jul 22 19:41:11 * mmontour returns the canned response "wait for the new u-boot images to show up on buildhost" Jul 22 19:41:24 whats the best firmware for just calling and sending a text? Jul 22 19:41:34 Zilla: symbian Jul 22 19:41:36 Nokia 3210 Jul 22 19:41:44 qtopia Jul 22 19:41:46 i have a se k800i atm Jul 22 19:41:46 Zilla, qtopia seems to be the most stable for me Jul 22 19:41:58 Nokia 1100. Jul 22 19:42:06 oh, in general Jul 22 19:42:07 Nokia 5110 Jul 22 19:42:12 email to SMS gateway Jul 22 19:42:13 such a good phone Jul 22 19:42:15 nokia e90 Jul 22 19:42:19 but the "root=" is controlled by your kernel, not by u-boot. The filesystem support has to be compiled into the kernel, not built as a module. Jul 22 19:42:22 if u-boot flashing goes wrong.... can i only recover it using a dev-board? Jul 22 19:42:27 Zilla: no Jul 22 19:42:36 Zilla: NOR flash is an emergency backup Jul 22 19:42:39 chocky: it has the option to boot from external media Jul 22 19:42:46 zill; uyou can't write NOR flash without the debug board. Jul 22 19:42:52 it just looks for more then i thought, eg more then just rootfs Jul 22 19:42:52 and you dont update nor.... ;) Jul 22 19:43:05 LetoTo: yessir. Jul 22 19:43:17 He just has black where the 'qwerty' should be :( Jul 22 19:43:26 why does the wiki say that if you erase your nand-flash then it wont be recoverable .... only using devboard Jul 22 19:43:27 so if it gets uImage.bin, do i also need to give it some modules thing? Jul 22 19:43:29 i'm having problems with my mic, whenever I turn it up I get a lot of noise. Anyone else have this? Jul 22 19:43:41 Zilla: that's probably written at the time of GTA01 Jul 22 19:43:49 could be Jul 22 19:43:50 Zilla: it's not valid wioth freeruynner Jul 22 19:44:10 SpeedEvil, if it's not valid, should we update that? Jul 22 19:44:12 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Nand_erase Jul 22 19:44:17 openiowa: probabvly, yes. Jul 22 19:44:17 * LetoTo tries cp good-kernel.bin /media/disk/uImage.bin Jul 22 19:44:18 im talking about this... Jul 22 19:44:35 LetoTo: that works if your uboot can do it. Jul 22 19:44:53 that link doesnt count for the freerunner? Jul 22 19:44:55 Anyone know anything about what software provides the querty keyboard in qtopia on ASU? Jul 22 19:45:00 And why it would be missing? Jul 22 19:45:04 Zilla: no. Jul 22 19:45:11 openiowa: yes, see the issues linked from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues#Poor_Audio_Quality (+ several threads on the mailing lists) Jul 22 19:45:16 Zilla: adding caveat at teh beginning Jul 22 19:46:38 it flashed some "unable to read Uimage.bin" and them more stuff i couldnt see. then booted some kernel anyway, and ended with unable to mount root fs on unknown=block(179,2) Jul 22 19:47:21 you need to change the root= to mmcblk0p1 Jul 22 19:47:25 etc Jul 22 19:47:34 the instructions on the wiki assume a second partition Jul 22 19:47:35 where? Jul 22 19:47:41 or the defaults in uboot Jul 22 19:47:46 is that in the "kernel" bin ? Jul 22 19:47:50 in u-boot config Jul 22 19:48:07 good lucky changing that ;-) Jul 22 19:48:10 -y Jul 22 19:48:13 that seems wrong. Jul 22 19:48:23 the menu allows for "booting from external media" Jul 22 19:48:32 so i dont think i need to muck with u-boot Jul 22 19:48:34 well, the original setup was partition one FAT formatted with the kernel, then partition 2 with ext2/3 Jul 22 19:48:38 iSCSI over GPRS? Jul 22 19:48:47 ah, I dunno about the extenral media thing. sorry Jul 22 19:48:58 that would be fun SpeedEvil Jul 22 19:49:01 but not so speedy Jul 22 19:49:24 good-kernel.bin: u-boot/PPCBoot image hmm, need to read up on that Jul 22 19:50:13 SpeedEvil: I like your kind of insanity. ;) Jul 22 19:51:38 has anyone tried debian? I'm interested but it seems like a lot of work Jul 22 19:52:13 openiowa, as a desktop? Jul 22 19:52:22 why run a non-optimized OS? Jul 22 19:52:24 jtickle, no on the freerunner Jul 22 19:52:47 i don't know, screenshots looked cool to me? Just curious Jul 22 19:53:03 I think the OM distro is based on debian Jul 22 19:53:07 it could be done, but that would be a bit of work Jul 22 19:53:53 I ran Familiar Linux awhile back on an iPaq (is that what OpenEmbedded is based on?) and it's nothing more than debian optimized for embedded devices Jul 22 19:53:54 bye bye Jul 22 19:54:41 sweet Jul 22 19:54:55 * Chocky just sold one of our products to the North Pole :p Jul 22 19:54:57 Does anyone know anything about the qtopia keyboard software on ASU? Jul 22 19:55:07 It was there for me just fine when I installed but not for my buddy. Jul 22 19:55:16 oh uImage.bin needs to go into boot/ Jul 22 19:55:39 jtickle: yes, er, ish. that would have been some years back. OE is a lot like Debian, but a lot different nowaways too. Jul 22 19:55:53 there's EmDebian, which is much more integrated into Debina Jul 22 19:55:58 default Debian is a kinda fat Jul 22 19:56:09 LetoTo: depends what uboot config says Jul 22 19:58:41 didnt help me either. Chocky: where can i find the uboot menu? Jul 22 19:59:50 heh Jul 22 19:59:57 see the uboot instructions on the wiki. Jul 22 20:00:10 that's comedy in itself, since serial access is kind of borked Jul 22 20:01:17 hmm, i've found another interesting issue with the FreeRunner... anyone notice that the keyboard is incorrect when plugged into USB power Jul 22 20:02:13 wife goes away next month for two weeks. then I can speed some quality wiki time. Jul 22 20:02:13 e.g. pressing 0 gives you a } Jul 22 20:02:14 "If you are using a Freerunner and have created an ext2 partition you should be able to boot from the card right out of the box, because a boot menu entry for this should already exist in the NAND boot menu." Jul 22 20:02:19 i shouldnt need to touch the menu Jul 22 20:02:30 LetoTo: yes, but that statement is full of assumptions. Jul 22 20:03:05 not to mention wrong ;-) Jul 22 20:03:27 mike--2: i had seen that, but hadn't associated it with usb Jul 22 20:04:12 yeah, i've tested that on 3 FRs, all of them seem to do it only when plugged into a USB power source Jul 22 20:04:20 including the power supply that came with it Jul 22 20:04:30 hrm Jul 22 20:04:33 yer right Jul 22 20:04:39 that's an odd bug Jul 22 20:04:50 it doesn't enter a different runlevel when charging, so i'm not sure what could cause it Jul 22 20:05:28 plugging in USB gets you the obfuscated perl writer's keyboard map? Jul 22 20:05:35 * Chocky laffs. Jul 22 20:06:04 by the way, has anyone tried connecting a freerunner to a box running andLinux on winXP? Jul 22 20:06:16 huh? Jul 22 20:06:37 anyone know how to change the font size for gtk apps? Jul 22 20:07:05 andLinux, a distro that can run on windows Jul 22 20:07:20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andlinux Jul 22 20:07:44 why would I be running Windows? ;o Jul 22 20:08:50 maybe you got a dell with win preinstalled, with one giant partition full of stuff you don't want to lose? ;p Jul 22 20:09:00 shovelware? no thanks. Jul 22 20:09:46 and why did Dell put my stuff on my computer? Jul 22 20:10:04 and more to the point, why did I (a) buy from Dell or (b) buy a computer with Windows on it? Jul 22 20:10:16 bloatware sucs Jul 22 20:10:18 *sucks Jul 22 20:10:21 you didn't buy it, you got it for christmas Jul 22 20:10:33 duh Jul 22 20:10:36 :P Jul 22 20:10:37 sevenhundred: extraordinally unlikely. Jul 22 20:10:45 well it happens Jul 22 20:10:52 and even if true, it woulnd't have Windows on it for long Jul 22 20:11:03 er, wouldn't Jul 22 20:11:29 if you got it for christmas you did pay for it Jul 22 20:11:43 but your partner bought it ;) Jul 22 20:11:43 Zilla: that's probably true. Jul 22 20:11:58 if you are living on your own ;) Jul 22 20:12:17 Does anyone know any reason why the 'querty' button in the upper left would be missing? Jul 22 20:12:22 ok, I _might_ buy a computer with Windows on it, because it tends to be cheaper than one without. But in any case, it wouldn't last long. Jul 22 20:12:24 qwerty Jul 22 20:12:39 but not from Dell Jul 22 20:13:06 so, "no" to my question then? Jul 22 20:13:19 more like "why?" :o Jul 22 20:13:36 partitionmagic to the rescue Jul 22 20:13:49 Debian install CD to the rescue! Jul 22 20:14:07 can it resize ntfs partitions? Jul 22 20:14:15 Fossi: it can Jul 22 20:14:15 sevenhundred - I have not seen any mention in Channel, the mailing list or on the wiki about doing so. Jul 22 20:14:21 it can blow them away. Jul 22 20:14:41 well, the point about 'stuff you do not want to loose' is pretty valid Jul 22 20:14:42 Is there a way to install the applications on the MicroSD card? Jul 22 20:14:45 thanks, sparrow. I guess I'll be the first Jul 22 20:14:47 why is my stuff loose? Jul 22 20:14:53 and why is it there on a brand new machine? Jul 22 20:14:58 Blalien: yes Jul 22 20:15:00 Who here uses ASU? Jul 22 20:15:04 anyway, use a DVD-R, etc. Jul 22 20:15:05 * AntonTakk does Jul 22 20:15:11 (use ASU) Jul 22 20:15:12 sevenhundred - If you do get it sorted, make a page on the wiki ;) Jul 22 20:15:13 * Chocky tightens his loose stuff. Jul 22 20:15:16 * Zorkman doesn't but is going to test it out again soon Jul 22 20:15:21 AntonTakk: Do you have a qwerty button in the upper left? Jul 22 20:15:29 newp Jul 22 20:15:38 using image from 7/15 Jul 22 20:15:39 sparrow, I will :) Jul 22 20:15:41 AntonTakk: I have one.. and it's great but I don't know how I got it there. Jul 22 20:15:56 GoldenHawk: what image you using? Jul 22 20:15:57 AntonTakk: A friend of mine installed today's build and it wasn't there. Jul 22 20:16:02 hrm Jul 22 20:16:11 AntonTakk: I installed the latest build a few days ago. Jul 22 20:16:16 GoldenHawk: i installed it two days ago and it wasn't there also Jul 22 20:16:17 Antontakk: Like friday ish. Jul 22 20:16:28 Fossi: How can I do this? Jul 22 20:16:42 GoldenHawk: on the mailinglists they said it was a deliberate choise of the developpers not to be able to pop up a keyboard :s Jul 22 20:16:43 Zorkman: Is it *supposed* to be there, or is it some sort of option? I'm trying to figure out what software provides it. Jul 22 20:16:47 eh, I already have all my contacts setup, not going to flash for a qwerty button :) Jul 22 20:17:04 GoldenHawk - Did you replace the rootfs with an image, or just the kernel? Jul 22 20:17:05 Zorkman: No f'in way. Jul 22 20:17:30 sparrow: I installed a brand spankin' new rootfs a few days ago from a qtopia-x11 image. Jul 22 20:17:41 GoldenHawk: yes, wait and i'll search for the mail Jul 22 20:17:51 I love my querty keyboard, and if I did something by accident to make it appear, I want to know how to make it appear again as needed. Jul 22 20:17:52 Blalien: dunno, check the wiki Jul 22 20:18:04 Anyone have any idea? Jul 22 20:18:08 Blalien: just read somewhere how it works, but can't remember Jul 22 20:18:56 Zorkman: Does the mail give any clue about how people are supposed to enter in text like names in the contacts screen? Jul 22 20:18:59 GoldenHawk: quote: Jul 22 20:19:03 the problem is the designers decided that ASU is not to have any manual Jul 22 20:19:07 keyboard toggle button because it will disturb the design and/or confuse users, Jul 22 20:19:11 so all apps and toolkits need modification to talk a "protocol" to bring up the Jul 22 20:19:11 keyboard on demand (no manual controls). that is why you need to do this. Jul 22 20:19:11 personally i think you need a manual control because, as such, many apps and Jul 22 20:19:11 toolkits will not be changed, or they will get it wrong and give you a keyboard Jul 22 20:19:11 when you don't want one, or decide not to give you one when you do... but Jul 22 20:19:11 that's not my call. Jul 22 20:19:14 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r0978ec0598a3 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [app-restarter] Add the little helper utility to the OpenEmbedded/Openmoko metadata Jul 22 20:19:14 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r5c6805dc3235 10/packages/qtopia-phone/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [qtopia] Use the app-restarter in case the Qtopia process exits Jul 22 20:19:30 mail from The Rasterman to the community list Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:47 PM Jul 22 20:19:48 GoldenHawk: subject :Re: Terminal for ASU Jul 22 20:19:56 Zorkman: Thanks. Jul 22 20:20:05 My question right now is how to turn it on though for my friend. Jul 22 20:20:09 He needs it. Jul 22 20:20:28 find out what image you have and flash it to his phone? Jul 22 20:20:37 GoldenHawk: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/023044.html Jul 22 20:20:42 AntonTakk: That doesn't help me if some day I want to upgrade. Jul 22 20:24:54 compil of glibc fails here, stdio.h not found, :-/ Jul 22 20:25:20 GoldenHawk: does ASU use matchbox? Jul 22 20:25:21 common issue? Jul 22 20:25:43 mike--2: doesn't seem so. Jul 22 20:25:56 mike--2: matchbox as in the window manager? No, it uses a thoroughly hacked version of enlightenment :) Jul 22 20:26:15 ehh, alright, because I just found out how to get that button in matchbox :) Jul 22 20:26:28 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/023069.html <-- This one mentions a 'theme element' .. does anyone know where to find these themes? Jul 22 20:26:32 is there a wiki on installing ASU? - I searched but couldn't find anything detailed Jul 22 20:26:34 This may be a stupid question, but is OM2007.2 still being maintained? Or has everyone moved to ASU or qtopia.net? Jul 22 20:26:46 leinirAWAY: technically, ut uses enlightenment + an enlightenment module that makes some big changes Jul 22 20:26:47 mike-2 just flash the device, that is the most easy Jul 22 20:27:28 Zorkman: thanks, I'll have to see about backing up what I currently have in case I don't like ASU Jul 22 20:27:36 mike--2: You just flash it with a different image. I believe they're called qtopia-x11 they should be right beside the normal stuff in the daily build dirs. Jul 22 20:27:39 GoldenHawk: oh buddy Jul 22 20:27:44 e17 themeing Jul 22 20:28:01 i started to port an old favorite to e17 once Jul 22 20:28:31 i got the theme for like 4 of the 9 types of window borders done - in 5k lines of edje code :) Jul 22 20:28:42 D: ! Jul 22 20:29:24 GoldenHawk: it's a very nice themeing setup, but there is a whole lot to theme Jul 22 20:29:44 AntonTakk: So E17 themes is what ASU uses? Jul 22 20:29:55 for the window manager, anyways Jul 22 20:30:06 apps use qt themes, i'd think Jul 22 20:30:18 er Jul 22 20:30:27 AntonTakk: I'm just trying to figure out a place to start in terms of editing the source code and recompiling a version of (package x?) that includes the qwerty toggle for my friend. Jul 22 20:30:32 s/window\ manager/illume/ Jul 22 20:31:06 GoldenHawk: that's one of the nice things about e17 themes, you only need to decompile and recompile the theme it's self Jul 22 20:31:13 "itself" Jul 22 20:31:14 ta. Jul 22 20:31:26 AntonTakk: Neat ^.^ Do you know where they're stored on the phone? Jul 22 20:31:49 nope, but i'd bet find / --name *.edj does :) Jul 22 20:32:21 AntonTakk: Sweet bro. This should be enough for me to get started. Jul 22 20:32:26 AntonTakk: Thanks. Jul 22 20:32:29 np Jul 22 20:33:06 lpotter: ping Jul 22 20:33:30 still noone knowing how to set/change font for 2007.2 apps? Jul 22 20:34:59 any ideas how I can manually trigger the illume keyboard? Jul 22 20:35:12 after the last upgrade it doesn't come up at all (besides the icon being removed) Jul 22 20:35:26 even on text fields that used to automatically request it previously Jul 22 20:36:16 AntonTakk: you could edit the gtkrc add something like: gtk-font-name = "Sans 4" Jul 22 20:36:20 for 4 point Sans Jul 22 20:36:28 hrm, thanks Jul 22 20:36:35 no problem Jul 22 20:36:54 got tangogps on asu but the fonts are hueg :) Jul 22 20:37:14 AntonTakk: yeah, I had the same issue Jul 22 20:37:26 install moko-gtk-theme Jul 22 20:37:33 i did Jul 22 20:37:44 and set it in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 Jul 22 20:37:50 but the fonts are still bog Jul 22 20:37:53 okay, good Jul 22 20:37:56 big Jul 22 20:38:00 then you just need to add the line I gave you before Jul 22 20:40:12 Still stuck trying to get USB_Networking working if anyone cares to take a look http://pastebin.com/m5fe9a478 Jul 22 20:40:35 no, OI Jul 22 20:40:40 no, I'm past it :p Jul 22 20:44:50 D! Jul 22 20:44:55 C! Jul 22 20:45:13 * Chocky hands trouble making reins back Jul 22 20:45:27 question: are there builds (ASU/2007.2/FSO/qtopia) where suspend is working alright? Jul 22 20:46:11 2007.2 always revives itself every couple of minutes and when the freerunner leaves suspend sound and control is bugged Jul 22 20:48:37 question: i've done opkg upgrade and opkg update but cat /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_drive still returns 2 Jul 22 20:48:45 i thought it should be standard 0? Jul 22 20:51:18 I'm unsure it'll readback properly. Jul 22 20:52:01 Well, I believe I figured out how to turn on the qwerty keyboard if anyone is interested. Jul 22 20:52:25 whats the command again to transfer files over usb0? s something? Jul 22 20:52:28 :D Jul 22 20:52:30 Railer! Jul 22 20:52:34 scp Jul 22 20:52:36 Hey Dave! Jul 22 20:52:36 yeah Jul 22 20:52:47 froget everything Jul 22 20:52:54 I think I'm going to put this on the wiki so everyone knows. Jul 22 20:52:56 whats up Jul 22 20:53:05 railer: I just heard that lyric in a song as you said that :p Jul 22 20:53:06 changing my bg to lcars Jul 22 20:53:06 Railer, gettin' down and dirtay with your freerunner? ;) Jul 22 20:53:07 GoldenHawk: Yay! Jul 22 20:53:12 Dunno if it included the typo. Jul 22 20:53:16 hah Jul 22 20:53:20 GoldenHawk: i'm interested Jul 22 20:53:27 froget yer typos yo Jul 22 20:53:35 no, I'm passed them. Jul 22 20:53:36 really I said that? Jul 22 20:53:36 just bust a move and let it flow Jul 22 20:53:51 anyone got their invisible sheild for their FR yet? Jul 22 20:53:59 aha Jul 22 20:54:03 Speedevil Jul 22 20:54:05 Where's yours? :) Jul 22 20:54:15 nope what the invisible shield? Jul 22 20:54:26 http://www.zagg.com/ Jul 22 20:54:27 Forcefield, ACTIVATE! Jul 22 20:54:36 I'm gonna buy one Jul 22 20:54:43 The weirding way Jul 22 20:54:55 Every time I see that, it reminds me of the lolcat with INVISIBLE BICYCLE Jul 22 20:55:04 Since that's pretty much all it is... as far as I can tell. Jul 22 20:55:14 * Chocky daren't ask. Jul 22 20:55:21 >:) Jul 22 20:55:36 Well here it is: opkg install libevas-saver-png edje-utils; cd /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/illume; edje_decc illume.edj; cd illume; vi freerunner.edc (comment out visible 0 under the 'qwerty' part, and replace it with visible 1); ./build.sh Jul 22 20:55:45 I'm still trying to figure out how to get build.sh to work.. apparantly needs more packages. Jul 22 20:56:01 I still think that "ip moo" is hilarious. Jul 22 20:56:49 :D Jul 22 20:57:41 GoldenHawk: if edje_cc works, you should be able to build the theme Jul 22 20:58:16 AntonTakk: edge_cc does not work. It complains about missing programs. Jul 22 20:58:25 ruh-ro Jul 22 20:58:40 cpp, embryo_cc Jul 22 20:58:49 hrm Jul 22 20:58:50 Are the programs it complains are missing. Jul 22 20:58:56 I know what cpp is. Jul 22 20:59:01 heh Jul 22 20:59:13 But I don't know what embryo_cc is Jul 22 20:59:15 embryo_cc is another efl app Jul 22 20:59:34 opkg list | grep embryo Jul 22 20:59:41 If I can find the ipk it's in (if any) then I should be able to write up a little tutorial on the wiki. Jul 22 21:00:02 That comes up with something that's already installed.. libembryo .. no tool though. Jul 22 21:00:12 Why is the GSM network different than the InterNet network we all know? Why is needed a non-free software BLOB in the GSM driver? Jul 22 21:00:14 If it is about protecting radio frequency spectrum, is it not limited just by the hardware the device use? Why have to be forced a limitation on the software side? Jul 22 21:00:53 maybe someone develops an opensource gsm module Jul 22 21:00:58 that would be nice :) Jul 22 21:01:04 davi: The government is involved. Jul 22 21:01:07 you can't protect DOSing a gsm tower in hardware Jul 22 21:01:24 maybe the usrp project will help us... :) Jul 22 21:01:34 davi: GSM was decided by comitte, and people are arrested (worst case.. usually millions in fines) if something unauthorized gets transmitted. Jul 22 21:01:44 davi: You can thank uncle sam. Jul 22 21:02:18 ! Jul 22 21:02:25 davi: Whereas the regular internet is regulated only in the types of lines and where they go and what you're allowed to send on them.. unlike radio signals, they don't presume to tell us what protocol to use. Jul 22 21:02:31 that cracking of gsm signals is very interesting because the only thing thats encrypted is the cellphone-celltower connection Jul 22 21:02:56 hrm Jul 22 21:03:22 there's OSS projects on decyphering gsm signals Jul 22 21:03:40 decrypting*: whatever Jul 22 21:04:01 GoldenHawk, It is known any rationale which justify such regulation on GSM? Jul 22 21:04:39 s/It is/Is it/ Jul 22 21:04:39 davi meant: GoldenHawk, Is it known any rationale which justify such regulation on GSM? Jul 22 21:05:36 davi: *shrug* No. They do it for everything radio related. They tell you exactly precisely what kind of signal you're allowed to transmit. They wanted to release cell phones in the 60s instead of the 80s but they wouldn't let them. (I can imagine what the world would be like today if 3G came out twenty years ago) Jul 22 21:06:07 davi: They did it with TV too. For the longest time they wouldn't let broadcasters transmit in digital or progressive scan.. and then suddenly BAM they **force** them to upgrade to DTV Jul 22 21:06:15 davi: Talk about a pendulum swing :/ Jul 22 21:06:42 davi: Same with radio. You think anyone wants to transmit in AM? Jul 22 21:06:59 davi: Not really :p But that's the protocol the govrenment says is allowed on that band, and that's the only protocol you can legally use. Jul 22 21:07:17 davi: Doesn't matter that they've given you that band.. you have to use this comittee decided specification for using it. Jul 22 21:07:26 davi: *sigh* Jul 22 21:07:58 rants thataway -> Jul 22 21:09:02 GoldenHawk, Could openmoko allow the user of the mobile device take the risk to send the right signals or not, releasing a 100% free software GSM driver, or it is forced _by law_ such driver be in part non-free as a way to be more sure the right signals are sent? Jul 22 21:09:15 davi: Don't know about that. Jul 22 21:09:37 ok, thanks Jul 22 21:09:50 davi: I know there's some serious regulations that the chip/phone manufacturers have to deal with... I don't know exactly what those regulations are though. Jul 22 21:10:05 isn't there some export concerns as well? or is that only with the GPS? Jul 22 21:10:10 davi: I also know that the chip manufacturers make the phone manufacturers sign NDAs. Jul 22 21:10:51 sevenhundred, I was said yesterday GPS has not non-free BLOB Jul 22 21:11:05 openmoko: 03zecke * r4550 10/developers/zecke/uinput-sender/ (. uinput-sender.c): [uinput-sender] Not yet working uinput test app to send pcf50633 to test kdrive bugs... Jul 22 21:11:20 davi: I think what sevenhundred is refering to is to the regulations on military grade GPS systems. Jul 22 21:11:35 GoldenHawk, ah, such NDA thing. So you can not reveal how the chip works Jul 22 21:11:48 GoldenHawk: gsm is a problem Jul 22 21:11:48 davi: Unfortunately, common GPS devices are now approaching military grade, so there's fear that the regulators may start up war crimes charges. Jul 22 21:12:03 GoldenHawk, I underdand military grade GPS must be regulated Jul 22 21:12:12 lol Jul 22 21:12:28 davi: The US is the only country doing it. No one else cares if you have a super high tech AGPS implementation on your moko phone :p Jul 22 21:12:28 lollercopter Jul 22 21:13:04 GoldenHawk: military grade being the ones that not only pinpoint your exact location on the globe, but also download real-time imagery from spy satellites so you can watch your self stand there playing with your gps device from orbit? Jul 22 21:13:18 but if gallileo arrives (european version of the gps) then everyone has military grade gps/galileo based location tracking.... =s Jul 22 21:13:29 reminds me of a Top Cat cartoon episode. Jul 22 21:13:40 GoldenHawk, As understand it work, the accuracy of the GPS depend on the accuracy of the GPS positioning signals? Jul 22 21:13:51 hrm Jul 22 21:13:56 they launched a mini satellite with a camera, and in the end all they could see was themselves. Jul 22 21:14:08 two good gps signals, but still no fix, or fix time Jul 22 21:14:25 You need at least three before you can get a fix. Jul 22 21:14:51 AntonTakk davi: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AGPS (Search for ITAR) Jul 22 21:15:00 thanks Jul 22 21:15:05 yeah, I just love how google maps is 5 years outta date Jul 22 21:15:27 got phone. UPS girl is a redhead. Jul 22 21:15:37 double score Jul 22 21:15:40 aye Jul 22 21:15:44 I luv her Jul 22 21:15:56 that was fast Jul 22 21:16:07 Gonna be ordering stuff every day? Jul 22 21:16:08 Well, I already did. Jul 22 21:16:17 We have met before. Jul 22 21:16:34 Any, gorgeous display on both counts. Jul 22 21:17:00 Mind if I ask the same questions everone else has asked when they got their phones over the last week? Jul 22 21:17:00 did you show her your package? Jul 22 21:17:04 hehe Jul 22 21:17:06 no Jul 22 21:17:13 I did give her a big tip. Jul 22 21:17:23 sigh Jul 22 21:17:49 leper to prostitue - "you can keep the tip" Jul 22 21:17:55 Tsingi: just ask Jul 22 21:17:56 Well, she always comes back, after hours, I always give her a big tip and she is always astonished. Jul 22 21:18:15 bye all Jul 22 21:18:29 AntonTakk: I know of a tutorial for AGPS Jul 22 21:18:36 AntonTakk: I get a 5 second first fix. Jul 22 21:18:43 nice! Jul 22 21:18:45 AntonTakk: If I supply it with a known location. Jul 22 21:18:45 link? Jul 22 21:18:58 ok, I put my rogers simm card in, plugged in the phone, it booted, and I see the 4 sms messages that were on my other phone. Does that mean I connected to the network? Or are the SMS messages on the simm? Jul 22 21:19:15 uh oh. angry Canadian. Jul 22 21:19:15 just on the sim Jul 22 21:19:25 AntonTakk: http://www.freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=21&p=2960 Jul 22 21:19:36 Tsingi: what does it say in the top right corner? Jul 22 21:19:40 ahh. I suspect it will be locked then, it's about 3 years old. Jul 22 21:20:00 edistar|uk: there are 4 symbols there. Jul 22 21:20:04 Try making a phone call. Jul 22 21:20:12 Tsingi: I watch for the little 'signal bars' Jul 22 21:20:22 well, shouldn't I let it charge a bit before I try to use it? Jul 22 21:20:29 Tsingi: sorry, top left Jul 22 21:20:34 Plug it in, make a call. Jul 22 21:20:41 Top left says Messages. Jul 22 21:20:53 Yeah that would be my advice too. Try making a call, that can prove you're on the network pretty fast :p Jul 22 21:21:03 okey, go back to the home app Jul 22 21:21:53 oky. At seascape on top I see "ROGERS AT&T" Jul 22 21:22:02 that bodes well? Jul 22 21:22:03 Cool. Jul 22 21:22:08 aye :) Jul 22 21:23:15 hmm, I was hoping phone numbers would be on the simm as well. Jul 22 21:23:28 I of course no longer remember anyones number. Jul 22 21:23:43 Most phones can transfer them to the sim. Jul 22 21:23:45 phone your house Jul 22 21:23:50 phone the talking clock Jul 22 21:23:56 put shoe on head Jul 22 21:24:00 phone your network provider Jul 22 21:24:01 AT&T phone home. Jul 22 21:24:07 I only have a cell. I do not do business with companies like Bell Telephone. Jul 22 21:24:10 phone the white house. Jul 22 21:24:20 I did that once when I was drunk. Jul 22 21:24:25 phone a random number Jul 22 21:24:36 text yourself Jul 22 21:24:37 phone 127.0.0.1 Jul 22 21:24:40 oky, I'll phone my office number. Jul 22 21:25:35 Tsingi: Are you just sparking up your phone for the first time? If so the software in it will be pretty old. Jul 22 21:25:43 exciting, isn't it? :D Jul 22 21:26:03 Yeah, it's like three weeks old already - that's ancient! :-) Jul 22 21:26:35 heh, cool, I just got my office answering machind with Linux. Jul 22 21:26:44 ok, it works. Jul 22 21:26:54 Sweet. Jul 22 21:26:56 how come rename does not work? Jul 22 21:26:58 * ajbrun wants one Jul 22 21:27:09 railer: Rename? You mean mv? Jul 22 21:27:11 I have a linux conference for the next three days, So I'm not going to dick with it until that is over. Jul 22 21:27:17 oh Jul 22 21:27:17 * sevenhundred wants one Jul 22 21:27:18 mine gets sent in 6 days Jul 22 21:27:20 w00t Jul 22 21:27:21 nevermind Jul 22 21:28:07 surley the BEST place to mess around with it will be in a linux conference? Jul 22 21:28:30 You'll be the envy of everyone at the conference. Jul 22 21:29:08 now, to get a screen only invisible shield, or front and back one? Jul 22 21:29:15 i'm thinking screen only tbh Jul 22 21:29:30 otherwise the back will be a bit rubbery imo Jul 22 21:29:35 anyone got one? Jul 22 21:38:38 hrm Jul 22 21:39:51 mailing list doesn't mention anything, but has anyone heard about the posability of repairs/exchanges for the gps/sd card noise issue? Jul 22 21:40:47 AntonTakk: I think the wiki mentions a software fix Jul 22 21:41:24 does the soft fix work as well as the hard fix? Jul 22 21:42:05 and how amazingly do they work togather? :) Jul 22 21:42:20 I don't know, haven't received my Precious yet Jul 22 21:43:02 your's one of the newer ones with the added capacitor? Jul 22 21:43:34 yours! Jul 22 21:43:51 ... Jul 22 21:43:51 It's the second batch, but I don't know about that Jul 22 21:44:21 i thought 's implied ownership, just, when talking about his fr, "your's" would be correct? Jul 22 21:44:31 its, ours, yours, his, hers. Jul 22 21:44:58 Those words already imply posession. Jul 22 21:45:03 er, possesion Jul 22 21:45:08 um. Jul 22 21:45:53 well, as long as the fix works decently, that will be enough, but tbh I would "feel" a bit better having it fixed in hardware Jul 22 21:46:25 a soldered capacitor can't be un-done by a careless svn submit :) Jul 22 21:46:29 heh Jul 22 21:47:22 hey anyone seen a tutorial on making a theme? Must get lcars going Jul 22 21:47:35 and how do you change the font? Jul 22 21:47:38 theme for which image? Jul 22 21:48:04 2007 Jul 22 21:48:16 it's simple gtk theming Jul 22 21:49:18 I saw gtk and matchbox, I should use gtk Jul 22 21:49:31 well, matchbox is the wm Jul 22 21:49:39 wm? Jul 22 21:49:44 so you may have to do both Jul 22 21:49:48 window manager Jul 22 21:49:57 what's the method for getting a better keyboard (ctrl, /, etc) on 2007.2? Jul 22 21:50:13 cjb: Switching_Keyboards on the wiki Jul 22 21:50:38 Well, not having any luck making more calls, but the first one worked. Jul 22 21:50:40 I have the better kb, I'll look at the gtk theming Jul 22 21:50:43 cjb: i believe there is a matchbox-keyboard package, or some-such, i think it's documented in the getting started wiki page Jul 22 21:50:59 Thanks. Jul 22 21:51:39 Tsingi: that was my experience with 2007.2, might try looking at the contacts for your sim and make sure they are making good contact Jul 22 21:52:07 Tsingi: i endud up flashing asu and found the telephony/sms to be very reliable Jul 22 21:52:30 ymmv, of corse, asu being pre-alpha :) Jul 22 21:53:24 w00t.. finally got multiple images on my sd card Jul 22 21:56:43 AntonTakk: playing around, I dropped the antenna menu down, selected auto register and called my mom. Jul 22 21:57:03 What she have to say? Jul 22 21:57:06 just now. Jul 22 21:57:22 carrar: She said to say hello to you. Jul 22 21:57:31 how come you know my mom? Jul 22 21:57:35 nice, tell thanks Jul 22 21:57:37 her Jul 22 21:57:39 heh Jul 22 21:58:31 woo! ttff @ 49:42 at my desk! ;) Jul 22 21:58:51 how long does the battery on the FR last these days? Jul 22 21:58:56 office buildings != good gps testing places Jul 22 21:59:16 ajbrun: i keep a usb cable with me when I go to work :) Jul 22 21:59:34 i will too, but these things are allways good to know Jul 22 22:00:14 welp, time to go home, catch you all later, maybe Jul 22 22:02:02 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07artwork * r8128497ad126 10/illume/illume.edj: add illume theme Jul 22 22:08:59 hi Jul 22 22:09:07 hello there. Jul 22 22:09:13 hey Jul 22 22:09:21 can anyone point me to the last ASU image available? Jul 22 22:09:57 * ajbrun can't Jul 22 22:10:43 mmaestri: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/ Jul 22 22:10:58 one from 21st works better though Jul 22 22:11:17 nice Jul 22 22:12:28 i know there's a comparison between all the distros you can load, but are there actually any user comparisons anywhere? Jul 22 22:12:45 rather than the factual stuff that i've seen Jul 22 22:12:54 not that i know of Jul 22 22:13:13 opinions rather than facts of which is 'better' or more popular Jul 22 22:13:17 and why Jul 22 22:13:56 now I'm being just noob. which files should I download? Jul 22 22:14:41 mmaestri: a .jffs2 and a uImage* Jul 22 22:14:55 Debian squeezes onto the 512MB sd card. Jul 22 22:15:11 ok Jul 22 22:17:05 some of it are "devel" and others are "qtopia". I guess I know what the qtopia ones are, but what about the others? Jul 22 22:17:12 what's the difference Jul 22 22:17:22 mmaestri: the others are 2007.2/gtk Jul 22 22:18:08 ok. I thought those were on a different directory. thanks edistar|uk Jul 22 22:18:10 use the qtopia ones Jul 22 22:18:19 anyone know if you can open up the openmoko on ubuntu like a network drive? Jul 22 22:18:26 there i thihnk the others ahve a crapload of debug on Jul 22 22:19:02 yes. I've just readed Ars Technica review about stacks Jul 22 22:19:17 http://photobox.co.uk/ Jul 22 22:19:21 that down for everyone else? Jul 22 22:19:56 ajbrun: ya its down Jul 22 22:20:00 k :( Jul 22 22:20:06 thanks tho Jul 22 22:20:51 m[ Jul 22 22:21:39 uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin is the uImage, right? Jul 22 22:22:10 mmaestri: no Jul 22 22:22:13 no, that is the uboot image Jul 22 22:22:21 mmaestri: uImage* is the uImage ;) Jul 22 22:22:43 mmaestri: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin Jul 22 22:22:46 f*ck I knew it :p Jul 22 22:23:08 mmaestri: uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin is the uImage Jul 22 22:23:42 when i run dmesg i get "mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card" Jul 22 22:23:44 thanks edistar|uk & Zorkman Jul 22 22:23:49 anyone a clue? Jul 22 22:24:58 with the lamp in the dining room by Mr Mustard Jul 22 22:25:18 the lamp? we don't have that in the belgian cluedo version :) Jul 22 22:25:51 le lampo, Tintin Jul 22 22:26:59 ok, i'll just Kuifje --help in the terminal Jul 22 22:30:00 does anyone know a sollution to be able to format the sd card? it seems not to be mounted: when i run dmesg i get "mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card" Jul 22 22:33:32 Zorkman: isn't the sd card somewhere else? mmc0 sounds very unfamiliar Jul 22 22:33:39 Zorkman: try fdisk /dev/mmc0 Jul 22 22:34:14 Zorkman: but it sounds like the newest kernel patch that lowered the hz to SD reader borked this Jul 22 22:34:16 edistar: i already tried that i get fdisk: cannot open /dev/mmc0 Jul 22 22:34:34 Zorkman: try it with an old kernel, 4 days old or so Jul 22 22:35:10 if that works please file a bug Jul 22 22:35:36 ok, i'm on it Jul 22 22:36:03 i just need to flash the kernel and not the rootfs? (just checking) Jul 22 22:36:43 Zorkman: yes Jul 22 22:37:21 the freerunner must be in u-boot screen while I flash the kernel and the rootfs, right? Jul 22 22:37:42 yes Jul 22 22:38:43 edistar: there are no uImage-files in for example http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080718/ Jul 22 22:38:52 so I have to put it in u-boot mode, and then do the dfu-util thing twice, (one for the kernel, another for the rootfs) Jul 22 22:39:06 and once for uboot, if needed :o Jul 22 22:39:19 yeah, right...:p Jul 22 22:39:46 mmaestri: correct. Jul 22 22:39:50 it will stay in u-boot mode between transfers? Jul 22 22:39:57 Zorkman: strange, they just disappeared Jul 22 22:39:59 yes Jul 22 22:40:01 mmaestri: yes Jul 22 22:40:03 edistar Jul 22 22:40:13 Zorkman: I'll upload one for you Jul 22 22:40:13 edistar: i know.... do you know where to find older ones? Jul 22 22:40:20 ok, thanks Jul 22 22:41:01 and if I take to much time to send the second "chunk", it'll shut down or stay at this mode? Jul 22 22:41:06 too Jul 22 22:41:13 mmaestri: it'll stay up Jul 22 22:41:17 ok Jul 22 22:41:50 once you typed the command it stays connected untill the transfer is done Jul 22 22:41:59 Zorkman: http://80.61.221.9/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin Jul 22 22:42:38 * cjb recommends not flashing .bin files from random IP addresses to your phone. Jul 22 22:42:38 Zorkman: does the download work? Jul 22 22:42:44 Zorkman: what speed? Jul 22 22:42:48 oh, it's uImage, not uboot. that's something. Jul 22 22:42:55 cjb: it's only a kernel and my ip Jul 22 22:43:05 yeah, I conflated uimage and uboot. Jul 22 22:43:25 * edistar wouldn't even flash a new uboot if it came from OM :) Jul 22 22:43:29 I still wouldn't personally run that kernel, but it's not very dangerous to do so. Jul 22 22:43:47 cjb: it's just to test if the new patches are the problem for sd Jul 22 22:43:50 on a lot of youtube vid like this one, the phone buzzes Jul 22 22:43:54 anyone know why? Jul 22 22:43:54 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rcgK2WcrT2g Jul 22 22:43:59 he is free to send the file to /dev/null after that Jul 22 22:44:18 like a hard drive buzz Jul 22 22:44:25 haxx0r-your-fone-lol-plz.bin Jul 22 22:45:10 Chocky: good idea, next time that'll be a nice name :) Jul 22 22:45:31 does anyone elses freerunner buzz and whir? Jul 22 22:46:30 Why isn't it anywhere on the openmoko that you can just click Places>Connect to Server> SSH to do all your file transfers and browsing!!! That's so FREAKIN EASY! Jul 22 22:46:36 edistar: download worked, sorry didn't look at the speed Jul 22 22:46:50 Zorkman: don't worry Jul 22 22:47:07 flashed the device and it's booting, i'll see if I can format SH Jul 22 22:47:11 *SD Jul 22 22:48:23 flashing... Jul 22 22:48:43 edistar: now it sees the SD card Jul 22 22:50:39 edistart: now i get error at the end of partitioning: fdisk: WARNING: rereading partition table failed, kernel still uses old table: Device or resource busy Jul 22 22:51:02 that can't be good ;) Jul 22 22:51:25 Zorkman: sorry, wobbly server here Jul 22 22:51:53 Zorkman: what does it tell you? Jul 22 22:52:29 I can se the sd card, and i do all the partitioning from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD but get at the end the error "fdisk: WARNING: rereading partition table failed, kernel still uses old table: Device or resource busy" Jul 22 22:52:38 hm Jul 22 22:52:43 strange Jul 22 22:52:54 what about if you delete all partitions? Jul 22 22:53:00 and first unmount? Jul 22 22:53:07 i'll have to look those commands up first :) Jul 22 22:53:30 umount /dev/mmc0 Jul 22 22:53:34 also: it seems i do not have mkfs (-sh: mkfs.vfat: not found) Jul 22 22:53:38 fdisk /dev/mmc0 Jul 22 22:53:43 d Jul 22 22:54:07 SoCol! Jul 22 22:54:09 but I'm sure that the sd ist not at mmc0 Jul 22 22:54:09 er Jul 22 22:54:10 SoCal! Jul 22 22:54:20 railer, most likely because nobody had time to code this, yet. Jul 22 22:54:20 umount: /dev/mmcblk0: not mounted Jul 22 22:54:30 ok Jul 22 22:54:41 try fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 Jul 22 22:54:46 feel free to do this as it's that easy. Jul 22 22:54:46 * Chocky suggests /dev/mmcblk0p1 or p2 Jul 22 22:55:03 fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 works Jul 22 22:55:15 Zorkman: what does p tell you? Jul 22 22:55:21 yes, for parititioning the entire disk Jul 22 22:55:24 -i Jul 22 22:55:35 Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 507 MB, 507379712 bytes Jul 22 22:55:35 4 heads, 16 sectors/track, 15484 cylinders Jul 22 22:55:35 Units = cylinders of 64 * 512 = 32768 bytes Jul 22 22:55:35 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System Jul 22 22:55:54 okey Jul 22 22:56:03 create a partition Jul 22 22:56:13 ew, fdisk Jul 22 22:56:14 use cfdisk Jul 22 22:56:23 like in the wiki? first one of 8MB? Jul 22 22:56:33 but you don't need any of this moose Jul 22 22:56:39 uboot can boot direct from ext2/ext3 :p Jul 22 22:56:39 Zorkman: well, just try to make a partition, nevermind how big atm Jul 22 22:56:55 Chocky: what do you mean? Jul 22 22:57:04 how is it unclear? Jul 22 22:57:11 Chocky: you still have to create a partition on sd? Jul 22 22:57:35 Zorkman: just make one partition with ext3/ext2 Jul 22 22:57:38 rather ext2 :) Jul 22 22:57:46 i tried to make a partition with the default values (starting at 1, ending at 15484) and i ge t the same error Jul 22 22:57:59 Command (m for help): w Jul 22 22:57:59 The partition table has been altered! Jul 22 22:57:59 Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table Jul 22 22:57:59 fdisk: WARNING: rereading partition table failed, kernel still uses old table: Device or resource busy Jul 22 22:58:05 Zorkman: reboot Jul 22 22:58:09 ok Jul 22 22:58:59 yes, but I'd do it all under my desktop/laptop. much easier there Jul 22 22:59:05 rather than messing about with it under the FR Jul 22 22:59:18 okey, why not ;) Jul 22 22:59:34 I personally don't have an sd card reader at home ;) Jul 22 22:59:40 aw. Jul 22 22:59:41 me neither Jul 22 22:59:54 that's the main problem Jul 22 23:00:05 most desktops and some laptops have them built it. Jul 22 23:00:11 but card readers are uber cheap. Jul 22 23:00:33 but needs must :o Jul 22 23:00:45 ok, rebooted Jul 22 23:01:24 Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 507 MB, 507379712 bytes Jul 22 23:01:24 4 heads, 16 sectors/track, 15484 cylinders Jul 22 23:01:24 Units = cylinders of 64 * 512 = 32768 bytes Jul 22 23:01:24 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System Jul 22 23:01:24 /dev/mmcblk0p1 1 15484 495480 83 Linux Jul 22 23:01:28 lovely Jul 22 23:01:31 seems it worked Jul 22 23:01:40 try a mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcblk0p0 Jul 22 23:02:12 mke2fs 1.38 (30-Jun-2005) Jul 22 23:02:12 Could not stat /dev/mmcblk0p0 --- No such file or directory Jul 22 23:02:12 The device apparently does not exist; did you specify it correctly? Jul 22 23:02:32 cat /proc/partitions Jul 22 23:02:51 major minor #blocks name Jul 22 23:02:55 31 0 2048 mtdblock0 Jul 22 23:02:59 31 1 256 mtdblock1 Jul 22 23:03:03 31 2 256 mtdblock2 Jul 22 23:03:07 31 3 8192 mtdblock3 Jul 22 23:03:11 31 4 640 mtdblock4 Jul 22 23:03:11 31 5 256 mtdblock5 Jul 22 23:03:11 31 6 252544 mtdblock6 Jul 22 23:03:11 179 0 495488 mmcblk0 Jul 22 23:03:11 179 1 495480 mmcblk0p1 Jul 22 23:03:12 it does not exist, thanks Chocky Jul 22 23:03:15 there it is Jul 22 23:03:18 so i use p1 i guess Jul 22 23:03:22 yes! Jul 22 23:03:36 * Chocky enburpen. Jul 22 23:03:56 Which stack comes with the phone, QTopia? Jul 22 23:03:58 ok, that worked Jul 22 23:04:04 sorry.. I thought it started counting at 0.. Jul 22 23:04:13 Tsingi: 2007.2 Jul 22 23:04:14 Tsingi: no, 2007.2 gtk Jul 22 23:04:27 so it has webkit? Jul 22 23:04:52 Tsingi: yes Jul 22 23:05:01 then it does SVG? Jul 22 23:05:08 Zorkman: mkfs.ext2 works? Jul 22 23:05:13 Tsingi: I suppose Jul 22 23:05:23 * Tsingi is one of the authors of SVG. Jul 22 23:05:37 I'll be playing with THAT. Jul 22 23:05:44 edistar_: yes, i'm now trying the wiki page Jul 22 23:05:47 edistar Jul 22 23:05:48 but openmoko-browser2 is really broken Jul 22 23:05:57 edistar_: i don't get the error's anymore now... Jul 22 23:06:00 Zorkman: you don't need the fat partition Jul 22 23:06:24 edistar__: try minimo Jul 22 23:06:32 OK, I already built QEMU and broke it, I guess I'll start over. Jul 22 23:06:46 Zorkman: could you please check if the newer kernels still don't work? Jul 22 23:06:55 Zorkman: then please file a bug, it's very important Jul 22 23:07:04 edistar__: ok Jul 22 23:07:06 SirBob1701: not webkit, Tsingi wanted webkit Jul 22 23:07:06 i'll reflash Jul 22 23:07:26 oo Jul 22 23:07:58 and Qtopia 4.4 isn't out yet.. Jul 22 23:08:02 only 4.4 has webkit support Jul 22 23:08:10 though it's going to be released in a few weeks, I hear Jul 22 23:08:41 edistar__: can you point me in the right direction? Restarting the dev install from scratch now. Jul 22 23:09:08 Tsingi: what's the problem exactly? Jul 22 23:10:18 I don't know really, I built it a couple weeks ago. got the emulator up and running and then broke it somehow. I figured the easiest thing was just to start from scratch. Jul 22 23:10:37 * Zorkman hopes they speed up the booting process Jul 22 23:11:16 Tsingi: yeah, it is usually.. Jul 22 23:11:43 Tsingi: I am usually surprised when it does work.. Jul 22 23:11:51 emulator sucks :) Jul 22 23:12:08 edistar__ If it's just generic from scratch, no problem, if there is something I should do along the way to get webkit in there, that's want I want to play with. Jul 22 23:13:07 edistar__ I just registered for a linux con, so I'm not going to do ANYTHING to the phone until that's over. Jul 22 23:13:09 Tsingi: just generig Jul 22 23:13:14 edistar: now it works.... Jul 22 23:13:17 thanks. Jul 22 23:13:31 very strange because i just flashed the same uImage I had before... Jul 22 23:13:32 Zorkman: okey Jul 22 23:13:39 so not a problem with the patch Jul 22 23:13:40 luckily Jul 22 23:13:45 maybe there was a problem because the card was not yet formatted Jul 22 23:13:50 maybe, yes Jul 22 23:14:19 edistar: can i ask you a litle question about the booting from sd? Jul 22 23:14:34 you said (and i read) that it is no longer nescesarry for a fat partition Jul 22 23:14:39 Zorkman: yes Jul 22 23:14:42 do i just make two ext2 partritions the? Jul 22 23:14:52 *then Jul 22 23:14:57 Zorkman: do you have a micrSDHC card or a normal one? Jul 22 23:15:00 *micro Jul 22 23:15:13 there is only space for a microSDHC no? Jul 22 23:15:21 I use the one I got from openmoko Jul 22 23:15:34 Zorkman: ok, then you have a microSD, not SDHC Jul 22 23:16:05 Zorkman: do you want your kernel on the SD or on the internal flash? Jul 22 23:16:33 edistar__: i want dual boot, i want to use 2007.2 or qtopia on the internal flash and the ASU on the SD Jul 22 23:17:08 Zorkman: okey, but you can still choose between kernel internal or on sd Jul 22 23:17:53 what are the pro's/con's? or just tell me what is best :) Jul 22 23:18:10 any idea when freerunner will be in stock in uk? Jul 22 23:18:12 august Jul 22 23:18:12 jagernot: contact truebox Jul 22 23:18:12 although mine's being sent on 28th of this month Jul 22 23:18:18 get yourself on their list Jul 22 23:18:19 Zorkman: I have a microSDHC, so I can only put the kernel on the internal flash Jul 22 23:18:40 Zorkman: why not try that ;) Jul 22 23:18:43 it's not in the wiki Jul 22 23:18:46 so: fun Jul 22 23:19:19 i guess micro sd is the only card that works with the FR? Jul 22 23:19:25 that's allright by me, but i guess i wil no longer be able to flash the 2007.2 image then? (because i would then also erase the kernel of my ASU) Jul 22 23:19:40 ajbrun: micro SDHC also Jul 22 23:19:42 hmm i dont see any mailing list on truebox website.. Jul 22 23:19:50 i have alink to them that i keep clicking in vain :( Jul 22 23:20:38 Zorkman: http://nopaste.org/p/alXvWYfUx Jul 22 23:20:49 Zorkman: no, you can just flash anything then Jul 22 23:21:01 Zorkman: just update your kernel independently of the rootfs Jul 22 23:21:13 Zorkman: ASU and gtk and qtopia use the same kernel Jul 22 23:21:30 so wait, i just copyu paste the code you gave me? Jul 22 23:21:51 Zorkman: no guarantee, but in principle yes Jul 22 23:21:58 In dialer, when I dial a number, it appears as though it's going to start and then goes back to the application menu instead of dialing Jul 22 23:22:04 -sh: syntax error: "(" unexpected Jul 22 23:22:29 Zorkman: where do you paste that? Jul 22 23:22:41 in the terminal whe ni am logged in to my freerunner Jul 22 23:22:52 Zorkman: you need to boot to uboot and then access the FR via console Jul 22 23:22:54 (he is booted and running, not in NOR) Jul 22 23:22:54 a la cu Jul 22 23:22:58 jagernot: just get in touch with them & ask about availability & they'll put you on their list Jul 22 23:23:29 jagernot: Oxford archaeology are a bit cheaper, but I don't know how serious they are Jul 22 23:23:33 " a la cu"? Jul 22 23:23:44 Stroller: they are serious:) I was there just yesterday Jul 22 23:23:52 Zorkman: cu is a console emulator Jul 22 23:24:18 or use minicom, or your emulator of choice! Jul 22 23:24:44 Zorkman: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Uboot#Bootloader_prompt Jul 22 23:25:54 edistar__: i tried apt-get install cu but get "E: Couldn't find package cu" Jul 22 23:26:01 "yum install cu" also doesn't work Jul 22 23:26:11 My FR hasn't shipped today Jul 22 23:26:20 Zorkman: do you have zum and apt-get installed on your machine? Jul 22 23:26:49 i don't know zum... Jul 22 23:27:04 Zorkman: I meant yum Jul 22 23:27:12 yeah, yum works normally Jul 22 23:27:14 Zorkman: stupid german keyboard -.- Jul 22 23:27:24 apt-get i havent tried on this machine Jul 22 23:27:25 Zorkman: what distro are you running? Jul 22 23:27:29 fedora9 Jul 22 23:27:37 do you have screen installed? Jul 22 23:27:41 stroller: thanks oxford archaeology? what is that Jul 22 23:27:51 screen??? i guesss you don't mean a monitor? :) Jul 22 23:28:06 jagernot: Ask edistar__ ! Jul 22 23:28:13 Zorkman: yum install screen Jul 22 23:28:32 gnu screen is a terminal multiplexer Jul 22 23:29:00 Zorkman: got it? Jul 22 23:29:03 jup Jul 22 23:29:08 superb Jul 22 23:29:16 now get into uboot mode please Jul 22 23:29:27 done Jul 22 23:29:38 (you mean NOR boot don't you?) Jul 22 23:29:46 it's on the wiki under "getting started with your freerunner" Jul 22 23:29:48 jagernot: When they posted their original announcement on -community I think they were talking about availability from a bath of 10 or something. Truebox may be able to cope better with current demand, but Oxford Arch are £30 cheaper Jul 22 23:29:49 and then run screen /dev/ttyACM0 Jul 22 23:29:56 In dialer, when I dial a number, it appears as though it's going to start and then goes back to the application menu instead of dialing. I can't actually call anyone :( I am able to recieve calls. Jul 22 23:29:56 maybe as root, I don't know about your system Jul 22 23:30:06 ok it worked Jul 22 23:30:10 Zorkman: okey Jul 22 23:30:14 now input the commands Jul 22 23:30:31 hmm, can I just download an updated binary GTK image and flash the phone? Jul 22 23:30:37 Tsingi: yes Jul 22 23:30:39 you should Jul 22 23:30:43 if you want any updates Jul 22 23:30:48 but i guess i better change it to GTA01Bv5 ? Jul 22 23:31:01 stroller: is there a link to the oxford arch site? Jul 22 23:31:14 edistar__ OK, I see that I can install libwebkit on my dev server, I think I'll start there. Jul 22 23:31:14 jagernot: search the -community list Jul 22 23:31:32 Zorkman: please start pasting from setenv onwards Jul 22 23:31:59 GTA01Bv5 # should be the prompt Jul 22 23:32:01 in my current file there is no setenv Jul 22 23:32:12 led 2 1 Jul 22 23:32:13 Tsingi: okey Jul 22 23:32:16 switching led 2 0 Jul 22 23:32:16 ## Executing script at 18050100 Jul 22 23:32:16 mtdparts mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x00040000(u-boot),0x00040000(u-boot_env),0x00800000(kernel),0x000a0000(splash),0x00040000(factory),0x0f6a0000(rootfs) Jul 22 23:32:16 DEVICE_CONFIGURED: 1 Jul 22 23:32:16 READY. Jul 22 23:32:18 GTA02v5 # Jul 22 23:32:30 hm Jul 22 23:33:04 Zorkman: what have you done so far? Jul 22 23:33:29 i have just booted into nor and then typed screen /dev/ttyACM0 Jul 22 23:33:51 stoller: thanks Jul 22 23:35:04 Zorkman: sry.. I'm typing in the dark, so sometimes I kill my terminal :/ Jul 22 23:35:11 :) Jul 22 23:35:23 Zorkman: have to tried to run setenv? Jul 22 23:35:37 i have not done anything exept run screen /dev/ttyACM0 Jul 22 23:35:43 okey.. Jul 22 23:35:49 is it still in nand boot? Jul 22 23:36:04 it's in nor boot Jul 22 23:36:10 that was probably the problem? Jul 22 23:36:18 first press power, then aux Jul 22 23:36:44 ok now i'm in nand Jul 22 23:37:05 screen command gives: Jul 22 23:37:05 In: usbtty Jul 22 23:37:10 Out: usbtty Jul 22 23:37:13 Err: usbtty Jul 22 23:37:14 PCB rev: 0x000 Jul 22 23:37:14 Power: switching led 2 0 Jul 22 23:37:14 switching led 2 1 Jul 22 23:37:14 switching led 2 0 Jul 22 23:37:14 GTA02v5 # DEVICE_CONFIGURED: 1 Jul 22 23:38:01 okey Jul 22 23:38:02 press enter Jul 22 23:38:18 and then try the setenv command I gave you Jul 22 23:38:22 then to a saveenv Jul 22 23:38:25 and reboot into nand Jul 22 23:39:20 jagernot: this is their website - I can't find anything else right now, so suggest you email them http://thehumanjourney.net/ Jul 22 23:39:49 edistar: sorry, i acceidently closed the terminal and now the command screen /dev/ttyACM0 doesn't work anymore Jul 22 23:40:07 Zorkman: reboot the neo into nand Jul 22 23:40:22 already done that.. Jul 22 23:40:24 will do it again Jul 22 23:41:20 first it says cannot acces line.... and then "sorry could not find a PTY" Jul 22 23:41:48 Zorkman: what does a dmesg tell you? Jul 22 23:42:08 a whole lot of ine.. Jul 22 23:42:11 info Jul 22 23:42:26 anything about a USB ACM device? Jul 22 23:42:55 cdc_acm 3-1.2:1.0: ttyACM0: USB ACM device Jul 22 23:43:15 but dmesg also gives a lot of erros Jul 22 23:43:17 *errors Jul 22 23:43:20 oh Jul 22 23:43:28 usb 3-1.1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 115 Jul 22 23:43:28 usb 3-1.1: device not accepting address 115, error -71 Jul 22 23:43:29 no idea what you have to for fedora Jul 22 23:43:39 then replug the usb cable ;) Jul 22 23:43:42 I broke my freerunner :( Jul 22 23:43:49 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Jul 22 23:43:53 sry, have to sleep now.. I'm completely exhausted.. Jul 22 23:43:54 SpeedEvil, will you fix it for me? :) Jul 22 23:43:58 In dialer, when I dial a number, it appears as though it's going to start and then goes back to the application menu instead of dialing. I can't actually call anyone :( I am able to recieve calls. Jul 22 23:44:03 Zorkman: good luck and see you soon Jul 22 23:44:05 Dave: were you using it as part of a bola? Jul 22 23:44:12 thanks edistar Jul 22 23:44:13 haha, no :p Jul 22 23:44:18 hey zorkman and edistar :) Jul 22 23:44:28 speaking of which, I want to run doom and zork on it :P Jul 22 23:44:32 In dialer, when I dial a number, it appears as though it's going to start and then goes back to the application menu instead of dialing. I can't actually call anyone :( I am able to recieve calls. This was the case when I got it out the box, and even now after an update/upgrade Jul 22 23:44:38 Dave: what'd you do to it? Jul 22 23:44:40 edistar: night Jul 22 23:44:56 hi DAve Jul 22 23:45:03 goodnight edistar Jul 22 23:45:19 SpeedEvil: I found a job, if it isn't already being done, I want to get webkit working. Jul 22 23:45:32 Tsingi: a worthy thing to try. Jul 22 23:45:34 :] Jul 22 23:45:51 SpeedEvil: heh, that sounds ominous. Jul 22 23:45:56 Tsingi: maybe it's best you send a mail to the community list, that way you'll know if someone has already done some work on it Jul 22 23:46:11 Tsingi: I can't really comment - I haven't done anything with teh browser on it. Jul 22 23:46:24 Zorkman: I just joined the webkit list, starting there Jul 22 23:46:57 Tsingi: though I've occasionally wondered why FF wouldn't work - I've had 1.5 running on a machine not much faster and the same RAM recently. Jul 22 23:47:23 SpeedEvil: Zorkman: Webkit passes ACID3 on linux, that's fairly impressive. Jul 22 23:47:41 Tsingi: yup. Jul 22 23:50:08 Tsingi: yeah, i've seen some info on webkit, it sounds very promissing if you would get it to work on the freerunner Jul 22 23:50:52 * SpeedEvil suspects Tsingi has motives that are not solely selfless :) Jul 22 23:51:03 what is the webkit Jul 22 23:51:30 Tsingi: what is the backend on that app? Would it run on FR, with only a data feed? Jul 22 23:51:32 Zorkman: It's what I want to play with. I'll flash the phone for now and get webkit up and running on my server. When I'm familiar with it I'll start right in. Jul 22 23:51:38 Cairo Jul 22 23:51:44 anyone ever seen the error "fork failed before execution: 'rm -fr /tmp/opkg-*****" Jul 22 23:51:45 Tsingi: good luck! Jul 22 23:51:47 ? Jul 22 23:51:56 (and why are we trying to remove france (just kidding)) Jul 22 23:52:48 SpeedEvil: It uses Cairo as a renderer, I'll just start by trying to get it to display an image from a file. Jul 22 23:53:01 SpeedEvil: then worry about the web end. Jul 22 23:53:07 Sensible. Jul 22 23:53:52 I assume that Cairo is what I see when I see anything on the Freerunner. Jul 22 23:54:10 how do i unmount a partition? Jul 22 23:54:17 Tsingi: anything vector-graphic-y at least, on the 2007.2 build Jul 22 23:54:22 unmount /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not work Jul 22 23:54:30 Zorkman: you mean umount? Jul 22 23:54:34 any ideas how I can get the illume keyboard back after the latest upgrade? installing an older version of illume and illume-theme didn't do the trick Jul 22 23:54:46 what app actually manages the keyboard, is it illume itself or something else? Jul 22 23:54:50 cjb oky Jul 22 23:54:51 Anyone else on Rogers not able to dial out from their phone? Jul 22 23:55:00 grrr, i still need to learn so many things Jul 22 23:55:03 thanks cjb Jul 22 23:55:26 Yashy, on the home screen does it say "Registering..." Jul 22 23:55:37 Yashy: I just put my 3 year old Rogers simm in the phone I just got and made two calls. Jul 22 23:57:08 sirkha: might be worth emptying /tmp & trying again whatever you were doing https://dev.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/trac.fcgi/ticket/2702 Jul 22 23:57:44 tried, didn't work, Stroller Jul 22 23:58:48 also, more than half the time, i can't get the damn thing to register right (bug 666 on openmoko) cme error 32s but, sometimes it works just fine, its weird Jul 22 23:59:42 electronics should just work or not .. 1 or 0 Jul 23 00:00:16 every computer's nightmare is to dream "0101012 Jul 23 00:00:31 SpeedEvil: on top of the WiFi idea for the GTA01, if you can hack the gsm 850 for it i would pay you for your time and materials Jul 23 00:02:00 KrisAbsinthe: not happening. Jul 23 00:02:23 i figured that lol Jul 23 00:02:32 Pimp My Freerunner! Jul 23 00:02:32 KrisAbsinthe: even if you only mean swap 850/900 - it'd be a firmware upgrade, which nobody who hasn't done the NDA thing can. Jul 23 00:03:13 And I've no idea how complicated the rework is. It could even in theory require expensive (100K+) testgear. Jul 23 00:03:18 SpeedEvil: thought it would be worth a shot lol Jul 23 00:04:31 stroller: if i got the freerunner, can i use it to make / receive calls in uk as of today..which software image should i use Jul 23 00:04:48 jagernot: yes. Not sure. Jul 23 00:04:51 So, judging from the mailing list, the cap H/W fix might not be needed after all? Jul 23 00:05:31 jagernot: I'm using the factory 2007.2, updated with `opkg update && opkg upgrade` - it works Jul 23 00:06:25 I got A2DP 'working' .. but it's really choppy like it's too slow or something. Jul 23 00:06:36 when i do tar -C /mnt/moko/ -xvf openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.tar.gz i get "tar: invalid tar magic" Jul 23 00:06:38 Anyone else tried A2DP? Jul 23 00:06:46 the command comes from the wiki, what am i doing wrong? Jul 23 00:07:02 johncylee1: perhaps not. Jul 23 00:07:07 johngay: Jul 23 00:07:43 Zorkman: you need the z option to un-gzip that tar.gz file Jul 23 00:07:51 tar -z ? Jul 23 00:07:57 johngay: I haven't seen numbers for interference with the various drive strength options. Jul 23 00:08:04 -xzf ( -xzvf for verbose ) yes. Jul 23 00:08:16 thanks! Jul 23 00:08:17 tar -C /mnt/moko/ -zxvf openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.tar.gz Jul 23 00:08:33 i'll update it on the wiki Jul 23 00:08:41 johngay: without any cap Jul 23 00:08:42 mm newer versions of tar detect that correctly Jul 23 00:09:09 gnu tar anyways Jul 23 00:09:50 like the one I have in gentoo (1.20) Jul 23 00:09:57 tar is a Tape ARchive utility. By default it operates with tape drives. the nessisary options in this case are z: ungzip x: extract v: verbose f: file Jul 23 00:10:28 Newer versions of tar can auto-detect compressed files, but that's only a recent addition. Jul 23 00:11:05 z: gunzip :) Jul 23 00:13:44 johngay, obviously you do not use gnu tar but busybox tar Jul 23 00:14:18 leaving out -z or -j with gnu tar is possible for years now Jul 23 00:14:37 No, I've only used gnu tar. But older versions didn't auto uncompress. Jul 23 00:14:56 johngay, arent you extracting on the device? Jul 23 00:15:22 it's not about autouncompress but auto-file-type-detection Jul 23 00:15:55 a command like tar -C /mnt/moko/ .... sounds like you are extracting on the freerunner itself Jul 23 00:16:13 This was when I was building LFS. Jul 23 00:16:41 I was only correcting the line he copied from the wiki. I don't know what it does (= Jul 23 00:17:04 okay good Jul 23 00:22:02 So, who's porting xmame to the FreeRunner then? Jul 23 00:24:49 i followed the steps from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD and i get a bad magic number error when trying to boot Jul 23 00:25:55 anyone any experience? Jul 23 00:26:42 Have you tried incanting "abracadabra" and waving your wand? Jul 23 00:27:05 I got Bad Magic before, I think it was a bad flash or I used the GTA02 for my 01 Jul 23 00:28:44 Zorkman: I get unable to read image.bin, still investigating. The message doesn't stay there very long. Jul 23 00:29:13 Tsingi: it's the same :) Jul 23 00:29:44 Zorkman: ok, I downloaded the bootstrap util and an image, that's where I'm at. Jul 23 00:30:11 i used a ext2 partition but the mail @ http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td471774 seems to suggest ext3 would have been a better choise Jul 23 00:30:31 gonna hit the sack now, tomorrow is a new day :) Jul 23 00:30:45 I hadn't gotten that far and I'm tired too:) Jul 23 00:33:48 Maybe the pigs blood on your severed chicken's foot is too dry? Jul 23 00:38:26 johngay: I was using goat blood and a rooster foot, that won't work? Jul 23 00:39:16 Only if you're south of the Equator and it's after the fall equinox. Jul 23 00:39:42 ok, I'll see if I can get a plane ticket. Jul 23 00:40:07 I guess I ahve lots of time to do that. Jul 23 00:43:25 I'm just wondering how the lack of buttons is gonna effect the xmane port??? Jul 23 00:46:50 anyone have any luck with the stock Free Runner firmware getting wifi working on a AP with wep Jul 23 00:47:33 I'm trying to enter less /proc/filesystems in the terminal and I can't find '/' Jul 23 00:47:57 That's cause it's not there, I've heard. Jul 23 00:48:13 that could be a problem Jul 23 00:49:40 There's been lots of talk about that on the M/L. Jul 23 00:50:41 I guess cd proc; less filesystems works Jul 23 00:50:45 I think there's a file you can mod to add it, but you'll need the '/' to mod the file. Jul 23 00:51:43 Is it possible to get any of the PCB schematics of the FR? I've poked around but can't see anything jumping out at me. Am I missing the forest for the trees? Jul 23 00:51:44 catch 22 Jul 23 00:51:46 Tsingi: updating the "Getting Started FAQ" to answer your / question Jul 23 00:52:05 ok Jul 23 00:52:13 Steve said the schematics are coming soon (= Jul 23 00:53:31 ok, I have a cp-worker interested in seeing it. He's an EMC eng who's interest was piked at the GPS fix Jul 23 01:00:19 Tsingi: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_FAQ Jul 23 01:01:58 Now that's what I call service (= Jul 23 01:03:22 Anyone out there already do the 10pF cap fix for the SD/GPS issue? Jul 23 01:03:57 not I, i might have the equipment, but not the skill :-\ Jul 23 01:04:22 Anyone using Freerunner with A2DP headset successfully? Jul 23 01:05:00 AntonTakk: it's a tricky solder if you're not used to soldering Jul 23 01:05:12 Toaster`: soldering SMD Jul 23 01:06:16 SpeedEvil: I'm having a co-worker in the assembly lab do the fix for me... I know it's too tricky for me :) Jul 23 01:06:30 Recent kernel mod's may have made the H/W mod un-nessisary. Jul 23 01:06:33 Stroller: setting up usb seems to be a good thing to do at this point anyway. Jul 23 01:06:48 Tsingi: it's basically the essential first step Jul 23 01:06:56 I tried without & it's a real pain Jul 23 01:06:57 Does anyone know if the most recent kernel images available under the openmoko.com download site have the software fix for the microSD-GPS interaction? Jul 23 01:07:04 johngay: it seems less needed - it sounds like there may be a problem still - if you want good coverage in poor conditions. Jul 23 01:08:03 Toaster`: i'm quite familiar with soldering, just not on that scale Jul 23 01:08:26 hello,does someone knows well open embedded(i had no response in #oe)...i'm trying to build a more recent version of wesnoth with scons(because with autotools it uses /usr/include...i patched the Makefile.am but inside src/ i had another Makefile.am where there was no /usr/include inside but the /usr/include was generated by a default in Makefile.in then get inside Makefile) and cmake or scons will be the future build Jul 23 01:08:26 system for wesnoth...so here's my problem: http://pastebin.com/m6eb358ae Jul 23 01:11:00 Bluetooth? Anyone? Jul 23 01:11:17 I've got a gold tooth. Does that help? Jul 23 01:36:00 Neo doesn't seem to want to talk to my dev server on USB, lots of fail messages when I plug it in too. But it responds to my laptop. Jul 23 01:36:35 It's plugged into a powered hub, or a direct motherboard port? Jul 23 01:37:44 SpeedEvil: there are tons of ports, I'd rather use the server. It did occur to me to try others. Jul 23 01:37:53 I'll do that. Jul 23 01:38:48 It may be requesting more current than is available to charge. I'm unsure what'd happen in that situation. Jul 23 01:40:33 it's me or the asu is barely unusable because of the glamo? or its bus Jul 23 01:41:06 mmaestri: i think its a crapload smoother then 2007.2 Jul 23 01:41:13 i'm using it as my daily phone Jul 23 01:41:24 * kd8ikt uses 2007.2 Jul 23 01:41:45 i havent even tried anything else Jul 23 01:44:26 so ASU.. thumbs upor down vs 2007.2? Jul 23 01:44:34 up or * Jul 23 01:45:31 ASU didn't work at all for me. couldn't make or receive calls. 2007.2 is being used as my primary phone Jul 23 01:46:43 SpeedEvil: I got an interface using a port on the front of the server, but I get no ping. I did get one from the laptop. I did reboot neo. Jul 23 01:46:58 module differences? Jul 23 01:47:22 Tsingi: oyu need cdc_ether IIRC Jul 23 01:48:42 usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-....... Jul 23 01:48:56 (dmesg) Jul 23 01:49:37 ick, it's mentioning IPv6. Jul 23 01:49:44 btw... has anyone been able to get pppd running for at&t? if so, are there scripts published at all? Jul 23 01:49:46 how do I dump that? Jul 23 01:50:07 (usb0: no IPv6 routers present) Jul 23 01:52:13 Tsingi: Dunno - worked for me. Jul 23 01:53:13 SpeedEvil: that seems to be the only diference betwen laptop and server. I know I dumped IPv6 config from my AMD months ago, but I forgot how I did it. Jul 23 01:53:22 I'll find it. Jul 23 01:54:05 you have tried ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202 ? Jul 23 01:55:03 no, 200. Jul 23 01:55:25 err - right Jul 23 01:55:50 k Jul 23 01:56:54 It's looking like disabling IPv6 *is* the answer. Jul 23 02:03:26 :) Jul 23 02:10:44 have anyone tell me your battery model, just in battery second line Jul 23 02:10:53 swc|666: my two cents- 2007.2 wouldn't even register to the cell network, i use asu from 7/15 daily Jul 23 02:11:41 AntonTakk: thanks... i'm going to flash and test my mileage Jul 23 02:12:37 zoom zoom? Jul 23 02:16:24 what are your battery's model? GTC-01/GTA-01? Jul 23 02:17:42 hm must have some sort of weird sim cause mine works like a charm (2007.2) Jul 23 02:17:44 That's the battery model for the GTA01 (neo). Jul 23 02:17:56 The model for the GTA02 (freerunner) is "GTA02". Jul 23 02:18:17 Is anyone using bluetooth with their Neo? Jul 23 02:19:20 anyone know what's what in the daily builds? Jul 23 02:19:34 kd8ikt: i did discover after flashing that it was more reliable if i scooted the sim over after locking it in place, maybe i should re-flash a recent 2007.2 and try again Jul 23 02:19:39 which of the uImages goes with the ASU build? and what's .nosummary mean? Jul 23 02:20:18 is there a way to create a copy of the image curently on a freerunner? Jul 23 02:20:24 mwester: in freerunner on battery second line it is print Model: GTC-01/GTA-01 ?or Model: GTA-02? Jul 23 02:20:30 dfu can i believe Jul 23 02:20:42 dd Jul 23 02:20:48 dd?? Jul 23 02:21:07 and the image mabe with dd can be flashed back to the fr? Jul 23 02:21:08 pjz: The uImages are kernels; they match your hardware (gta01 or gta02). The jffs is the root filesystem, it comes in two flavors, one with summary information for jffs (slightly faster) and one without. Jul 23 02:21:09 kd8ikt: I passed my test at HOPE Ill let you know my call sign when I get it Jul 23 02:21:19 ChandleWEi: GTA-02 for the freerunner Jul 23 02:21:23 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup Jul 23 02:21:31 montgoss: thanks :) Jul 23 02:21:32 mwester: I know the uImages are kernels, but there's two of them... which goes with the ASU? Jul 23 02:21:41 mwester: thx Jul 23 02:21:57 mwester: one is ' uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin' and one has a git hash in its name Jul 23 02:22:18 pjz: the short name is a symbolic link to the longer one. Jul 23 02:22:44 mwester: ah! okay, thanks for the info! Jul 23 02:22:53 mwester: also.. what's in your build? :) Jul 23 02:23:51 cool beans KrisAbsinthe Jul 23 02:23:53 The same stuff that's in the OM builds, but I add some debug options to the code, and I add some code that enables APM to better manage the GSM on suspend and resume. Jul 23 02:24:04 SpeedEvil: lost the ipv6 message, but I still get no ping. grr. Jul 23 02:24:21 I hate IPv6 Jul 23 02:24:27 * kd8ikt loves it Jul 23 02:24:36 else i wouldnt have this cool hostmask Jul 23 02:24:42 /whois kd8ikt Jul 23 02:24:45 It needs to be stabilized a bit i think Jul 23 02:25:04 where is this build of mwester's? Jul 23 02:25:39 It's a few days out of date compared to Andy's latest work on the freerunner charging problem, but it's at http://moko.mwester.net/ Jul 23 02:26:04 /whois kd8ikt Jul 23 02:26:06 mwester: does Andy's latest stuff have your battery-life-extending stuff? Jul 23 02:26:14 nice dog Jul 23 02:26:56 anyone had problems with recent 2007.2 daily builds? Jul 23 02:27:08 openmoko: 03tick * r4551 10/trunk/feeds/community-repository/file-index.txt: Community-Repository: add cc-right comic book :-) Jul 23 02:27:29 the 22nd's build is pretty stable for me Jul 23 02:29:07 mwester: do you have the jiffs2 available with power managment? Jul 23 02:29:35 how do i boot nor? Jul 23 02:29:36 I wish the freerunner had a keyboard and a stylus holder Jul 23 02:29:42 slide out keyboard Jul 23 02:29:44 holding aux isnt doing it Jul 23 02:29:45 that'd be nice Jul 23 02:29:57 slide-out javelin. Jul 23 02:30:07 Nope, if you click deep enough you can download a very small tar file with the APM config files that match the kernel -- it just gets added to the base 2007.2 image. It's really very very easy. Jul 23 02:33:54 Connected to sita.openmoko.org. Jul 23 02:33:54 Escape character is '^]'. Jul 23 02:33:54 helo . Jul 23 02:33:54 554 SMTP synchronization error Jul 23 02:33:54 Connection closed by foreign host. Jul 23 02:33:56 hahah Jul 23 02:34:00 they rock Jul 23 02:37:41 ok i get it now ;hold AUX then power for NOR power then AUX for NAND Jul 23 02:39:48 it says that on the wiki on the getting started page :) Jul 23 02:40:07 rtfw ;) Jul 23 02:40:17 nah the only place i found it was http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_the_Neo_FreeRunner Jul 23 02:40:26 hi hi Jul 23 02:42:16 out of stock, that's good right? Jul 23 02:42:30 You got one? Jul 23 02:42:53 kd8ikt: well the wiki has been edited since then so I guess I am wrong Jul 23 02:43:07 hey car did u see wifiweasel? Jul 23 02:43:17 no Jul 23 02:43:35 ;) i still need to go walkabout and see how it performs in real life Jul 23 02:43:56 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifiweasel Jul 23 02:44:22 kd8ikt: it is linked from the wiki this wiki page though -> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner Jul 23 02:46:50 its lame and took me 2 days to get to work i should rewrite it Jul 23 02:47:30 anyone ever see this error when doing bluetooth stuff? Jul 23 02:47:30 HCI authentication request failed: Connection timed out Jul 23 02:48:06 holy shit... i think it paired! Jul 23 02:48:27 hrm, my backup (so far) is 130MB+ heh Jul 23 02:50:08 cool, guitar tuner application Jul 23 02:50:25 any ideas on this? Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_bluetooth.so Jul 23 02:51:58 montgoss: look for a alsa package that mentions bt in the name? Jul 23 02:53:19 how do you look for packages? I did "opkg search *alsa*", but don't see any with bt in the name. I never seem to find anything using opkg search Jul 23 02:53:29 i really didn't think i had this much junk installed/downloaded Jul 23 02:53:50 montgoss: i have been using opkg list | grep xyz Jul 23 02:54:13 how big is the NAND flash again? Jul 23 02:54:22 yah, i just did that. don't see any mention of bluetooth Jul 23 02:54:38 montgoss: try asound and bt as well? Jul 23 02:54:45 or blue Jul 23 02:54:49 chillywilly: 256Mbit Jul 23 02:54:52 chillywilly: 256Myte Jul 23 02:54:54 byte Jul 23 02:55:03 err Jul 23 02:55:07 Sorry, I may be confused. Jul 23 02:55:16 64M in GTA01, 128M in GTA02 Jul 23 02:55:19 rootfs 246.6M 68.9M 177.8M 28% / Jul 23 02:55:26 that looks like 256 Jul 23 02:55:34 is nor 128? Jul 23 02:55:35 libasound2 in root is up to date Jul 23 02:55:36 I think that's compressed Jul 23 02:55:42 hmm, that could be Jul 23 02:56:07 I'm not 100% sure of the flash in FR Jul 23 02:56:55 * pjz thinks it's 256MB too Jul 23 02:57:11 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware Jul 23 02:57:14 but I could be wrong Jul 23 02:57:14 * SpeedEvil votes for 74 terabytes. Jul 23 02:57:26 that says 64MB SDRAM, 256MB NAND Jul 23 02:57:31 One MEEEELION MB! Jul 23 02:57:50 * pjz puts his pinky to his mouth Jul 23 02:57:52 * SpeedEvil wishes there were RAID SD connectors. Jul 23 02:57:55 NOR is 16Mbit Jul 23 02:58:03 this rootfs backup is going to be a full 256 m no matter how much space was actually used, huh? Jul 23 02:58:05 sweet Jul 23 02:58:21 AntonTakk: how are you doing the backup? Jul 23 02:58:26 SpeedEvil: should be able to do softraid, no? Jul 23 02:58:35 pjz: dfu-util Jul 23 02:58:44 AntonTakk: I mean mechanical Jul 23 02:58:55 ah, hardware raid sd Jul 23 02:59:05 AntonTakk: oh. well, the download will be 256M, but the 'unused' space will compress well Jul 23 02:59:06 AntonTakk: a connector that has 10*microSD in a 10*15*20mm package or so. Jul 23 02:59:13 256MB seems more like what is in my phone Jul 23 02:59:19 root@om-gta02:~# df -h / Jul 23 02:59:19 Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on Jul 23 02:59:19 rootfs 246.6M 51.3M 195.3M 21% / Jul 23 02:59:48 AntonTakk: when I mess with compressing raw fs's that my xen images use, the empty space compresses quite well (since it's all zeroes) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 23 02:59:56 2008