**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 23 02:59:56 2008 Jul 23 03:00:20 128MB RAM according to 'free' Jul 23 03:00:52 128MB SDRAM (64MB inside 2442 MCP, 1x Samsung K4M51323PC) attached to S3C2442 SDRAM controller Jul 23 03:00:53 pjz: i don't care about using 256m on my desktop's hd, i was just sure i hadn't used more than 96 mb of storage on the phone :) Jul 23 03:01:03 chillywilly: so, yup, total of 128 Jul 23 03:01:27 AntonTakk: ah. I figured you were backing up to S3 or something and wanted to save bytes :) Jul 23 03:01:36 nah Jul 23 03:01:55 300+ gb /home, i can store images till the cows come home :) Jul 23 03:02:36 211, not long now :) Jul 23 03:03:15 i really hope this 2007.2 image works for me, asu really is noticeably sluggish Jul 23 03:04:17 i dual boot to qtopia as that actually makes the phone usable ;) Jul 23 03:05:01 run the other stuff for hacking purposes and can readily boot into when needed Jul 23 03:05:20 what isn't usable about OM2007.2? Jul 23 03:05:25 asu is quite useable for me, it's just slow Jul 23 03:05:30 the SMS app is not so good Jul 23 03:05:48 oh, people use SMS? ;-) Jul 23 03:05:57 yes, for nagios pages at work Jul 23 03:05:57 montgoss: with the 2007.2 images i have tried so far, i always get an error that accorting to trac, was resolved like 6 months ago :) Jul 23 03:06:27 chillywilly: you too? except the nagios pages haven't been coming in for some reason, all others do thou Jul 23 03:06:47 maybe they are to big and are coming as mms and that's where the problem is Jul 23 03:07:07 is there a way to set the gtk theme in ASU? Jul 23 03:07:10 my provider just breaks the messages up Jul 23 03:07:20 into 1 of 2 or what not Jul 23 03:07:30 which the 2007.2 and other SMS apps render horribly Jul 23 03:07:32 SirBob1701: create .gtkrc-2.0 in $HOME Jul 23 03:07:41 and it seems that parts of the messages are missing Jul 23 03:07:48 SirBob1701: also want to set font to something like serif 4 Jul 23 03:07:55 AntonTakk: ok Jul 23 03:07:59 i'll have to look up an example Jul 23 03:08:27 SirBob1701: i can give you mine as soon as this backup finishes Jul 23 03:08:31 ok Jul 23 03:08:33 qtopia groups them together and allows me to actually read them when trying to use my device as a 'phone' ;P Jul 23 03:08:36 AntonTakk: thanks :D Jul 23 03:10:11 SirBob1701: include "/usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/gtkrc" Jul 23 03:10:11 gtk-font-name = "Sans 4" Jul 23 03:10:21 after installing the theme and theme engine/etc Jul 23 03:10:23 :) Jul 23 03:10:47 i figured they were needed thanks for the help i truely appreciate it Jul 23 03:10:53 np Jul 23 03:11:14 i spent almost a week trying to figure that riddle out till someone helped me :) Jul 23 03:11:25 haha i believe it Jul 23 03:11:38 so much little shit you need to know to get that kinda stuff going Jul 23 03:12:43 yep Jul 23 03:13:03 lol i'm watching starship troopers 3 Jul 23 03:13:08 not bad for a made for tv movie Jul 23 03:15:32 nice :) Jul 23 03:16:13 i hope my whole problem with 2007.2 was just my sim :) Jul 23 03:16:34 would be very nice to have 2007.2's features Jul 23 03:16:45 * SpeedEvil hooks up a generator to Robert Anson Heinlein. Jul 23 03:16:57 10.4KW, from him spinning in his grave. Jul 23 03:17:00 o.O Jul 23 03:17:08 haha Jul 23 03:17:08 ? Jul 23 03:17:22 heinlen wrote the book starship troopers Jul 23 03:17:33 heinlein* Jul 23 03:17:35 oh lol i could believe he is Jul 23 03:17:46 but hell i like b movies Jul 23 03:18:15 not all b movies are bad Jul 23 03:18:22 :D Jul 23 03:20:39 is there an easyway to downgrade packages? Jul 23 03:21:31 not afaik Jul 23 03:21:39 afaik? Jul 23 03:21:40 except re-flash :) Jul 23 03:21:45 ya Jul 23 03:21:47 figured Jul 23 03:21:49 As Far As I Know Jul 23 03:21:50 as far as i know Jul 23 03:31:25 :( same error I always get with 2007.2 Jul 23 03:45:27 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko:Copyrights lol look at the bottom Jul 23 03:45:41 A trademark license fee may be collected by FIC when you use the OpenMoko word Jul 23 03:46:02 so does that mean if i say "openmoko" i have to pay FIC like 10$? Jul 23 03:46:16 "use" has a legal meaning there, methinks Jul 23 03:46:28 ITS SIMPLE Jul 23 03:46:32 KILL THE BATMAN. Jul 23 03:46:33 heh i know but literally it sounds funny as hell Jul 23 03:46:38 it's written in a wiki, it must be true Jul 23 03:46:49 GREETINGS earthlings. Jul 23 03:47:19 how do i delete a wiki page? i made a F-up and cant get rid of my sin Jul 23 03:47:26 so drunk Jul 23 03:47:33 did you edit george bush? Jul 23 03:47:37 kd8ikt: which page is it? Jul 23 03:47:51 ugh i'd like to keep it a secret Jul 23 03:48:01 and delete it before anyone sees it Jul 23 03:48:05 lol Jul 23 03:48:07 PM it to me Jul 23 03:48:17 i dont want you to know of it either Jul 23 03:48:33 :P Jul 23 03:48:42 Well, stuff you pal Jul 23 03:49:02 I'm looking at the "recent changes" page Jul 23 03:49:28 i highly recommend coding while drunk Jul 23 03:49:56 good evening all Jul 23 03:50:08 good evening Jul 23 03:52:39 I can't see how to delete a while page, kd8ikt - best thing to do is email Brenda if you want that Jul 23 04:04:05 Is it just porn spam? Jul 23 04:04:13 You can't delete a page as a normal user. Jul 23 04:04:16 Just blank it. Jul 23 04:05:12 \q Jul 23 04:09:15 i got my invisibleshield cover in the mail today Jul 23 04:11:05 It can't be very invisible then. Jul 23 04:11:21 it is, i'm just that cool Jul 23 04:14:43 how do you get a non-sucky input method in qtopia Jul 23 04:14:55 seems impossible to do a capital delete, no delete key Jul 23 04:15:06 s/capital delete/capital d/ Jul 23 04:15:06 doc|home meant: seems impossible to do a capital d, no delete key Jul 23 04:17:35 doc|home, there are 3 different input methods on qtopia Jul 23 04:17:52 what's the third? Jul 23 04:18:01 a handwriting recognition one, a predictive qwerty keyboard, and a full keyboard layout Jul 23 04:18:27 ieatlint: ok, but how do you delete when there's no delete key? :) Jul 23 04:18:48 then you're fucked Jul 23 04:18:51 on the full keyboard layout there is a delete key, otherwise it uses "gestures" Jul 23 04:19:09 draw a line across the keyboard from the right to the left Jul 23 04:19:10 * kd8ikt wonders what a delete gesture would look like Jul 23 04:19:23 draw it from left to right to make a space Jul 23 04:19:27 oh, wait, teeny keyboard Jul 23 04:19:39 this is practically unusable without stylus :/ Jul 23 04:19:47 which one? Jul 23 04:19:49 toothpick Jul 23 04:19:54 the one with the full layout -- arrow key and all? Jul 23 04:20:13 i hate this stylus i'm gonna end up tearing it apart Jul 23 04:20:19 the other qwerty keyboard works for me without a stylus... you just have to press close and use dictionary words Jul 23 04:20:25 well, none of them are really usable Jul 23 04:20:51 punctuation doesn't work with it though, hehe Jul 23 04:21:03 backspace key up against bezel, practically untouchable :/ Jul 23 04:21:38 works for me... work on your hand-eye coordination :P Jul 23 04:21:49 :-/ Jul 23 04:22:50 at some point i need to get back to writing that wifi app... Jul 23 04:23:23 i sat on a train for 90min with a laptop and no internet working around with it... should be pretty easy to finish up Jul 23 04:29:06 Can someone point me to the project working on syncing the ASU to a Linux box. Jul 23 04:34:14 rsync Jul 23 04:34:16 Job done. Jul 23 04:45:06 Stupid Question (just got my freerunner today): why do I need to set up usb networking instead of using wi-fi to talk to the phone? Jul 23 04:45:39 you don't Jul 23 04:45:49 somnoliento: Lack of / key on keyboard makes USB networking easier Jul 23 04:45:50 the getting started guide says you can, but not should/must Jul 23 04:45:50 easier Jul 23 04:46:21 but yeah, doing usb network is easier (doing usb networking to get your phone online is not) Jul 23 04:46:54 no, i haven't got to the getting the phone on-line, I just want to ssh into it Jul 23 04:47:54 yeah, it's far easier to do it with USB than wifi... the phone is already configured for USB Jul 23 04:48:09 But, do whatever you feel like... Jul 23 04:48:17 ...with ip address 192.168.0.202? Jul 23 04:48:34 configuring wifi on the phone isn't easy Jul 23 04:48:41 which is why i should get back to work :P Jul 23 04:49:00 somnoliento: Yes, that's the preconfigured address. Jul 23 04:49:05 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * ra41171fd3e44 10/packages/alsa/ (alsa-state.bb alsa-state/asound.conf alsa-state/asoundrc): alsa-state: fix standard alsa dmix configuration, it now works out-of-the-box Jul 23 04:49:05 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7c0b35ccf79d 10/packages/alsa/alsa-state.bb: alsa-state: install correct file Jul 23 04:49:11 for USB, at least. Jul 23 04:49:54 ieatlint: Are you working on wifiweasel? Jul 23 04:50:08 nope Jul 23 04:50:25 http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/wifi/ Jul 23 04:50:40 oh, i got it, i'm in Jul 23 04:51:35 ieatlint: Oooh, Nice. Jul 23 04:52:24 somnoliento: USB or Wifi? Jul 23 04:53:17 usb. I don't know why it hadn't worked before Jul 23 04:53:56 that's a preliminary setup Jul 23 04:54:10 anyone know if there is a command line client for phonekit? Jul 23 04:54:11 i sat on a train for 90 min looking at it and deciding what to change and made a long list Jul 23 04:54:15 ieatlint: those screenshots look great Jul 23 04:55:11 if i don't slack too much, i can probably have it ready for a beta release tomorrow or the next day Jul 23 04:56:30 who wrote wifiweasel? Jul 23 04:56:42 oh, nm, kd8ikt Jul 23 04:58:17 i i did but i dont think its quite working Jul 23 04:58:38 tweaking it now Jul 23 04:59:09 kd8ikt: I've been looking for something like that for my eeepc for awhile now... Jul 23 04:59:32 should work with anything Jul 23 04:59:43 might need to fix a few commands but its still broke Jul 23 05:00:36 well... i think wpa_supplicant does most of what wifiweasel does Jul 23 05:00:37 like if ping fails it still returns exit status 0 Jul 23 05:00:50 ok.. anyone know where the power management stuff for 2007.2 is? Jul 23 05:00:58 just need to configure wpa_supplicant.conf Jul 23 05:01:10 oh good grief, KDE on a neo1973 Jul 23 05:01:26 that's just wrong. Jul 23 05:01:28 Chocky: .... err.... what? Jul 23 05:01:33 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky-gbF1rgb4&NR=1 Jul 23 05:01:48 more specifically, Plasma Jul 23 05:03:09 hm, GPS picked up in my office, with SD card in. guess that kernel fix is working for me Jul 23 05:04:08 thats kind of frightening Jul 23 05:04:17 Chocky: awesome :) Jul 23 05:04:23 how long does it take you? Jul 23 05:04:32 (to get a fix) Jul 23 05:04:33 didn't time it, but not very long Jul 23 05:04:37 ok Jul 23 05:04:53 and tangogps finally took it upon itself to download the tiles Jul 23 05:05:16 so now I can see where my office is on the map :p Jul 23 05:05:18 hehe, i've got some tiles, but not complete Jul 23 05:05:21 awesome ;) Jul 23 05:05:40 Chocky: have you gotten suspend/resume working? Jul 23 05:05:50 seems to be ok on latest GTK Jul 23 05:05:55 but the timeout is way too short Jul 23 05:06:02 * nullpuppy nods Jul 23 05:06:07 what did you do to get it enabled? Jul 23 05:06:12 "just works" Jul 23 05:06:15 hmm Jul 23 05:06:27 how much battery life do you get? Jul 23 05:08:49 im on the verge of deciding that t-mobile usa just sucks Jul 23 05:08:57 linuxxr: whys that? Jul 23 05:09:03 * nullpuppy has tmobile and has been pretty happy Jul 23 05:09:15 im in ur grammar, eating your punctuations Jul 23 05:09:28 my tmobile sim works like a charm with asu, blows with 2007.2 Jul 23 05:09:31 linuxxr: What's the issue? I've been looking for a reason to hate t-mobile Jul 23 05:09:31 went an bought a go phont thinking the sim would run on the freerunner Jul 23 05:09:47 2007.2 Jul 23 05:10:09 No good? Jul 23 05:10:33 well i tried to activate it an they said no numbers were to be hadf Jul 23 05:10:43 What? Jul 23 05:10:46 yup Jul 23 05:11:00 You bought a phone but couldn't get the number activated? Jul 23 05:11:20 so i put it in the freerunner an it just says regeristering Jul 23 05:11:38 dont like it ieatlint ? Jul 23 05:11:48 If you haven't activated it, it's not going to work... Jul 23 05:11:49 huh? Jul 23 05:12:00 trioed to give me numbers from 3 different states Jul 23 05:12:08 wifiweasel Jul 23 05:12:17 cant get a # Jul 23 05:12:18 my bastard love child Jul 23 05:12:32 heh Jul 23 05:12:41 oh, i haven't touched it Jul 23 05:12:53 maybe i got a traine Jul 23 05:12:55 e Jul 23 05:12:59 So where can I confiugure the suspend timeout? Jul 23 05:13:10 i've only been connecting to networks i know so far, and have configured in wpa_supplicant, so connecting to them is always just running the daemon Jul 23 05:13:15 Call them back. When they tell you they can't, they mean "I can't do it because I'm moron, but call back, and someone with a brain might answer next time" Jul 23 05:13:55 atontakk do u have a go phone or a monthly plan? Jul 23 05:14:13 monthly plan Jul 23 05:14:17 ok Jul 23 05:14:40 hm Jul 23 05:14:48 i need some more time to kink out the bugs but its gonna be a nifty lil prog Jul 23 05:15:23 can u send me that wpa please? Jul 23 05:17:16 ogg123 doesnt work for me Jul 23 05:17:25 the oss driver failes to load Jul 23 05:17:28 hm, neod does it Jul 23 05:17:30 and alsa is apparently not available Jul 23 05:18:40 seems a dbus crash may be at the heart of my 2007.2 problems Jul 23 05:19:35 hm, neod calls apm -s. hack city. Jul 23 05:19:54 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r5d4953aa2906 10/packages/iotop/iotop_0.2.1.bb: [iotop] Actually remove the site.py and site.pyo from the package Jul 23 05:21:40 I see. 10 seconds hardwired. Jul 23 05:21:42 craptastic Jul 23 05:23:10 oh noes. Jul 23 05:23:33 buttonactions.c in panel-plugins is a modified version. Jul 23 05:25:28 Chocky: how would you suggest that neod initiate a shutdown sequence? Jul 23 05:27:06 rivalarrival: Jul 23 05:29:31 hrm - nope, it's phone-kit not running Jul 23 05:30:07 tried another SIM card tonight, can not dial outbound from my neo :( Any other ideas before attempting to return it? Jul 23 05:30:56 hmm Jul 23 05:33:49 mwester: do you know offhand how people have been able to get 20+hrs standby/suspend? Jul 23 05:34:18 * nullpuppy has gotten 9-10 w/o any activity Jul 23 05:35:03 Using the 2007.2 image with the gtk modifications from http://moko.mwester.net/ Jul 23 05:36:26 ok. awesome. so all I *should* need to do is grab the updates and install? Jul 23 05:36:56 and latest daily safe to use? Jul 23 05:37:43 I haven't tried any of the really recent 2007.2 builds. There's little or no activity on them, so any of them should be fine. Jul 23 05:37:59 alright Jul 23 05:39:39 hola 2 all Jul 23 05:40:17 just ordered my sweet phone ^^ Jul 23 05:43:09 aggtrfrad: i just got mine today Jul 23 05:44:23 when did u order? what kind of shipping? where do u live? (i just wanna get an idea how many days it takes) Jul 23 05:46:31 aggtrfrad: I ordered a GSM 850 on july 4th. It arrived in Miami on the 18th. I use a re-mailer service to bring it to Bogota Jul 23 05:46:59 I used standard shipping Jul 23 05:47:34 well 2 weeks is good for europe to usa with standar shipping Jul 23 05:49:28 anyway ill just have to relax until i get my tracking e-mail Jul 23 05:49:41 then i will be refreshibg every 5 seconds :p Jul 23 05:49:54 he he... we've been there Jul 23 05:52:00 curious who is using wtopia? or what is anyone else here using? Jul 23 05:52:11 grr i meant Qtopis Jul 23 05:52:14 doh Jul 23 05:52:25 lol Jul 23 05:55:23 IguanaNed: I used it for a few days... It seemed more mature than the other images. Jul 23 05:55:38 openmoko-mediaplayer doesnt work for me Jul 23 05:55:46 it plays audio for a half second and stops Jul 23 05:56:13 is there a program that exports a dbus interface for playing music? Jul 23 05:56:40 does mediaplayer delegate the playback to another application? Jul 23 05:59:52 i'm piping oggdec into aplay Jul 23 05:59:52 heh Jul 23 06:07:22 rivalarrival.. what u using now? Jul 23 06:07:28 mmm... bluetooth keeps turning on even if i turn it off Jul 23 06:09:29 just filled in another page with widgets (fake data hard-coded, not polled): http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/wifi/conn.png Jul 23 06:09:41 as per usual, comments/suggestions are welcome Jul 23 06:10:55 ieatlint: it's a bit noisy. I imagine most people would only care about the ssid Jul 23 06:11:00 ieatlint- looks good I dont know if the SS need to be so wide Jul 23 06:11:02 hm Jul 23 06:11:29 yeah, i forgot to add in the config to shrink it before that screenshot, hehe Jul 23 06:11:50 and the info is there because i use a lot of it, and i will assume most FR users are advanced and may prefer it Jul 23 06:11:55 i disagree with somno, leave the noise, I would use it Jul 23 06:12:18 (for instance, the AP's mac is important to me since i connect to networks with multiple APs, and knowing which one is good) Jul 23 06:12:41 and knowing type of router your hitting Jul 23 06:12:46 status will show "Connecting..." and "Getting DHCP" and so forth Jul 23 06:12:48 ooh, what app is that? Jul 23 06:13:11 oh, sure, i, i didn't mean remove it completely. I just meant that data is not as important. Jul 23 06:13:21 oh, and the AP section will just read "Ad-Hoc" once ad-hoc support is implemented Jul 23 06:17:19 ieatlint-left align not center? might be easier, but I'm not sure on that one Jul 23 06:18:08 yeah, there are a bunch of little things like that Jul 23 06:18:35 not my #1 priority right now... i want a set layout, then i want to connect everything that isn't connected to a backend Jul 23 06:18:47 release, then do UI adjustments, re-release Jul 23 06:19:05 any logging history storage, or is that another project? Jul 23 06:19:24 another project... Jul 23 06:19:41 i just want a wifi connector and status indicator, too much bloat will make it too sluggish Jul 23 06:19:44 gps/wifi logging combo Jul 23 06:19:53 I agree Jul 23 06:20:08 i might add gprs at some point Jul 23 06:20:36 list - connect - config - release Jul 23 06:20:37 of course, this will be open, so others could do as they please Jul 23 06:20:44 I'm good with that Jul 23 06:22:32 is there a way to set the niceness for a process? Jul 23 06:22:40 from teh shell Jul 23 06:22:58 you'd need to install nice Jul 23 06:23:26 i dont have a build environment Jul 23 06:23:31 i just flashed a ready made image Jul 23 06:23:43 opkg list | grep nice shows no results Jul 23 06:23:50 does opkg fetch packages from the internet? Jul 23 06:24:42 is there a way to get a build environment without building all of openmoko? Jul 23 06:25:28 ieatlint - let's see the other tabs Jul 23 06:25:44 there are some old screenshots up there Jul 23 06:25:51 i will add some new ones in a min or two Jul 23 06:26:49 ok Jul 23 06:26:59 looks good to me Jul 23 06:32:12 opkg keeps saying fork failed and then segfaults Jul 23 06:32:51 http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/wifi/ Jul 23 06:32:58 3 screenshots of the 3 filled in tabs Jul 23 06:33:28 only the conn page is showing fake data, everything else is actually looked up Jul 23 06:34:04 yeah whens that gonna be in the repo's Jul 23 06:34:39 when i have a version that actually does more than look up info (ie, it can actually connect to things) Jul 23 06:35:06 oh thats yours? Jul 23 06:35:22 the S column has work to be done still .. will indicated if it's connected to that AP, or if it knows the AP (eg, it has its key stored) Jul 23 06:35:33 yeah Jul 23 06:35:34 noice Jul 23 06:37:01 hmmm, i could throw the rx/tx byte info from ifconfig on there... worthwhile? Jul 23 06:37:20 sure whynot Jul 23 06:37:26 not like it has overhead Jul 23 06:37:53 it has slight overhead actually, parsing some strings and extra widgets Jul 23 06:38:44 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r019e2a0119eb 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/ (gsm.py ophoned.py protocol.py): Added an 'Incoming' signal Jul 23 06:39:25 even jsut a button that updates it when you want? like "check blah blah?" and post it Jul 23 06:39:33 oh, and "Auto Mode" means just turn wpa_supplicant on -- it'll connect to any available AP as per its config... Jul 23 06:39:33 so its not constantl;y running Jul 23 06:39:46 none of thise will constantly be running... Jul 23 06:39:48 this Jul 23 06:40:55 yeah but you need it in the config right? (wpa_supplicant Jul 23 06:41:04 nope Jul 23 06:41:35 a network statement without a ssid is "any" Jul 23 06:41:51 network={ Jul 23 06:41:51 key_mgmt=NONE Jul 23 06:41:51 priority=-9999999 Jul 23 06:41:51 } Jul 23 06:42:17 I read on openmoko's wiki page that it supports AT&T 3G? Jul 23 06:42:25 no Jul 23 06:42:36 It might support AT&T's 3G SIM cards Jul 23 06:42:37 Whats that all about, I though it was GPRS Jul 23 06:42:38 you read about at&t 3g sim cards being supported, not 3g Jul 23 06:42:44 ahhh Jul 23 06:42:45 thanks Jul 23 06:44:12 how slow is the internet web browsing? I know its network based but is it really just 35Kbps? Jul 23 06:44:38 that's a reasonable estimate Jul 23 06:45:02 ok thanks for the info guys Jul 23 06:45:04 i pulled 42Kbps/21Kbps sustained in tests Jul 23 06:45:11 'lo Jul 23 06:45:55 just to make sure we are on the same scale here that is slower then the upper end of a 56k modem, right? Jul 23 06:46:34 well, theoretically a 56k modem is 53Kbps down and 33.6Kbps up with a latency of ~150ms Jul 23 06:46:59 theoretically, the FR is 48Kbps down and 24Kbps up with a latency of ~700-1200ms Jul 23 06:47:03 (latency in round trip) Jul 23 06:47:12 yeah I know latency is killer Jul 23 06:47:14 so it's slower than 56k by a bit Jul 23 06:47:24 my current EVDO is very latent Jul 23 06:47:33 so no WoW then? Jul 23 06:47:51 i got WoW working, actually Jul 23 06:47:57 took a bit, but it works Jul 23 06:47:59 I am trying to get a reasonable understanding of the performance loss over my current EVDO Jul 23 06:48:26 significant Jul 23 06:48:31 lol Jul 23 06:48:38 thanks for being honest Jul 23 06:48:40 hm whatdya know lint your right Jul 23 06:48:50 about what? Jul 23 06:48:58 i coulda swore i tried that already with wpa supplicant and it didnt work Jul 23 06:49:05 you got WoW working on FR? that I want a screen shot of Jul 23 06:49:20 * kd8ikt stabs railer Jul 23 06:49:44 yeah, wpa_supplicant is a lot cooler than i previously thought Jul 23 06:50:00 wpa_cli is decent... supports connecting to an essid for a one-time thing Jul 23 06:50:30 is like "wpa_cli otp essid password" Jul 23 06:50:43 and it'll connect to that essid with that password (wep or wpa-psk) Jul 23 06:53:13 ieatlint: if all the APs I connect to are open, what is the easier way to do it? Jul 23 06:54:02 configure wpa_supplicant to connect to any open AP and just run it in the background... it'll continually try to connect to ones it can see Jul 23 06:54:56 and that would be like you described before, right? just omit the essid from the config Jul 23 06:55:56 yeah Jul 23 06:56:48 ok, thanks Jul 23 06:57:49 ieatlint - looks solid does it work and do you need a tester? Jul 23 06:58:27 not yet (to both) Jul 23 06:58:53 it can scan for aps and list them (as shown in the screenshot), and poll for all the info on the "status" page Jul 23 06:58:56 just tired of CLI for wifi :P Jul 23 06:59:18 everything on the conn page is dummy, and only the scan and exit buttons work on the ap list page Jul 23 06:59:36 shouldn't be too long, i only started writing this yesterday Jul 23 06:59:41 worked on it for about 6 hours Jul 23 06:59:54 (not bad considering it's my first python program, eh? hehe) Jul 23 06:59:58 good job, python? Jul 23 07:00:24 afraid so, pygtk Jul 23 07:00:37 if the application becomes a staple, i'll port it to C Jul 23 07:01:26 beats my huge embarrasing failure Jul 23 07:01:53 ironically i couldn't write what you did Jul 23 07:02:07 I got to finish instructing then concentrate on learning python, it week I did java shopping cart, java CRUD w hibernate, subnet mask calculations, XHTML and connecting to paypal via asp.net, it's amazing I can keep anything straight Jul 23 07:02:10 bash programming just frustrates me Jul 23 07:02:57 i'm a c/c++ guy... know php, and i'm inferring python as i go while constantly looking at python and pygtk reference manuals Jul 23 07:05:40 heh wow that led.py is cool Jul 23 07:06:11 whats it do? Jul 23 07:06:15 well, soem projects really fuck up your mind. i recently had the pleasure of doing php, javascript and erlang in one Jul 23 07:10:30 oh nice, wpa_supplicant has a control api in C Jul 23 07:10:53 i'll just use wpa_cli now, but if i do port it to C, it'd be a bit of an improvement Jul 23 07:11:17 yay Jul 23 07:12:56 any way to check battery status from the command line? can't find anything under /proc Jul 23 07:13:16 "apm" Jul 23 07:13:40 if discharging, the time is a vague estimate until the battery dies... if charging, it's an estimate until fully charged Jul 23 07:14:11 in minutes? Jul 23 07:15:06 hours:min:seconds (seconds is always 0 methinks) Jul 23 07:15:25 it can also show days ... eg, mine says "Off-line, battery status high: 98% (21d+11:09:00)" Jul 23 07:15:43 anyone else have a seemingly random battery indicator, mine just go from 75% to 10% all the time Jul 23 07:15:49 which basically means apm sucks ass because it's plugged in Jul 23 07:17:50 I'd better go recharge it. Thanks for all the help. Jul 23 07:18:49 apm is deprecated... you're supposed to use acpi, i don't know why they use apm on the moko Jul 23 07:19:02 i imagine there's an explanation though Jul 23 07:21:30 good morning Jul 23 07:22:11 it's 1:30 AM where are you? Jul 23 07:22:12 hi kids Jul 23 07:23:30 railer: behind the snowy mountains Jul 23 07:24:32 bc/cali? Jul 23 07:25:27 railer: no, I don't think we are even near from america Jul 23 07:26:10 apm is used on embedded devices because acpi support sucks in linux, an dapm is simplier Jul 23 07:26:33 behind the snowy mountains is more a riddle when guessing a location Jul 23 07:26:44 railer: ;) Jul 23 07:26:52 was a good guess railer :P Jul 23 07:27:11 The Dwarivish cave of Middle Earth? Jul 23 07:27:30 railer: no, not that, that's in west, I'm more east Jul 23 07:27:39 railer: that said, I'm from Finland Jul 23 07:28:16 FInland? What's a good clue for Finland? Jul 23 07:29:26 finland Jul 23 07:30:55 One of those three skinny long countries above europe, and we're not Sweden or norway Jul 23 07:35:42 hey how do you spell possessed like devil / evil spirits Jul 23 07:36:58 possessed Jul 23 07:39:26 ok, someone help me figure something out Jul 23 07:40:04 shoot Jul 23 07:40:20 bssid / frequency / signal level / flags / ssid Jul 23 07:40:26 00:15:e9:69:32:b3 2422 190 [WPA-PSK-TKIP] mwkathi Jul 23 07:40:38 where does the signal level 190 come from? Jul 23 07:40:48 Link Quality=34/70 Signal level=-61 dBm Noise level=-95 dBm Jul 23 07:42:00 that's from "wpa_cli scan_results" btw (the last line is from iwconfig) Jul 23 07:43:57 34/70 ? Jul 23 07:44:19 not sure Jul 23 07:44:52 what gave you that sig quality? Jul 23 07:45:06 oh wpa Jul 23 07:45:09 iwconfig gives the 34/70 (this is from the driver) Jul 23 07:45:17 the other is from wpa_supplicant Jul 23 07:45:28 looks like i need to go into the wpa_supplicant source Jul 23 07:45:45 is there I CLI command to see them? Jul 23 07:46:13 trying to find the high/low end so you can draw graphs? Jul 23 07:46:24 no Jul 23 07:46:33 well a meter of somekind Jul 23 07:46:51 if i can map the signal level wpa_supplicant reports, i can drop iwlist Jul 23 07:47:03 (the wpa_supplicant output is very very easy to parse, and faster) Jul 23 07:47:14 oh then run with it Jul 23 07:48:16 http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2006-August/014095.html Jul 23 07:48:21 morning Jul 23 07:50:00 thanks... hmmm Jul 23 07:50:14 so that basically means wpa_supplicant doesn't know, hah Jul 23 07:50:30 it gets that number, and uses it relatively ... :P Jul 23 07:50:43 so will i! Jul 23 07:52:55 I have no idea other than signal level I think is a DBm strength vs a nominal antenna Jul 23 07:55:05 It's almost certainly not actually calibrated Jul 23 07:55:26 It'll be a completely arbitrary unit. Jul 23 07:55:41 yeah Jul 23 07:56:29 but if i say 150 is around 0% and 250 is around 100%, i think it'll be a decent guess... can change those values later if needed Jul 23 07:56:48 the range probably is on a per-driver/chip basis, but since we all use the same driver/chip.. Jul 23 08:00:10 255 might be a reaosnable fiess if it's an 8 bit field. Jul 23 08:00:40 guess Jul 23 08:01:07 point taken... but 0 is definitely not 0%, since the ones it reports at about 160 i can just barely see Jul 23 08:01:21 ugh ash doesnt have $RANDOM :P Jul 23 08:01:40 export RANDOM=4 Jul 23 08:01:48 lol Jul 23 08:01:56 wasn't it 6? Jul 23 08:01:57 get a bigger die Jul 23 08:02:02 i dont think that will be random Jul 23 08:02:04 no, 4 Jul 23 08:02:28 kd8ikt, that depends, are you running debian or a debian derivative? Jul 23 08:02:33 well, if he rolled a dice, it is guaranteed to be random ;) Jul 23 08:02:37 awk 'END{print int(rand()*1000)}' Jul 23 08:03:25 srand(systime() first even Jul 23 08:03:39 ? Jul 23 08:04:08 read from an ADC Jul 23 08:04:21 to seed Jul 23 08:04:28 or the GPS Jul 23 08:05:05 thats a good idea actually Jul 23 08:06:41 with all the devices we have connected we could create a "true" random generator if we need one Jul 23 08:07:15 i bet python has random Jul 23 08:07:26 "Initialize random number generator by shaking the phone for 5 esconds." Jul 23 08:07:35 lol Jul 23 08:08:21 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r224e599fe290 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/ (gsm.py protocol.py): Added Activate method to Phone.Call Jul 23 08:08:27 Was it some old suse or something where one had to initialize ssh key generation by shaking the mouse... Can't remember anymore. Jul 23 08:09:17 Rakshasa: it's in many systems Jul 23 08:09:26 Rakshasa, thats a method to generate entropy, not only on suse Jul 23 08:09:49 Okay, I just haven Jul 23 08:09:52 Rakshasa: actually shaking phone to get random seed is good idea :)) Jul 23 08:09:56 t seen it since -99 Jul 23 08:10:49 Are the accelerometers interfaceable already? Jul 23 08:11:02 should be Jul 23 08:12:50 Rakshasa: Yes, I have used them without problem. Jul 23 08:13:28 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_data_retrieval Jul 23 08:16:45 Hmm. That last link on that page has some quite interesting ideas. Jul 23 08:22:17 Hi if I want install qtopia (ie. following http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_FreeRunner) what are the dangers? Is it only the MicroSD card being touched, or am I changing the BIOS too thus riscing to brick my neo Jul 23 08:23:51 jakobsg: It just changes the root filesystem, it won't brick it Jul 23 08:24:10 nice :-) Jul 23 08:25:14 So I could in pratice take my MicroSD card, put in the adaptor and do the whole Qtopia configuration on my Desktop PC , right Jul 23 08:25:21 ieatlint: Jul 23 08:25:54 ok, i just took a 153 line parsing module and turned it into about 7 lines while increasing functionality Jul 23 08:26:05 lol Jul 23 08:26:24 iwlist vs wpa_supplicant's scan, hehe Jul 23 08:26:45 nice Jul 23 08:26:56 i'm modifying your led.py Jul 23 08:27:21 only i just though of somethin Jul 23 08:27:33 I CANT MESS WITH PYTHON WORTH A DANG Jul 23 08:27:45 that it's a copyrighted work and i didn't release the source code for modification? Jul 23 08:27:56 hehe, just kidding, i don't care Jul 23 08:28:05 I'm a python expert - need help ? :-) Jul 23 08:28:10 i'm trying to add another button labeled "redbutton" Jul 23 08:28:19 that makes everything go random Jul 23 08:28:30 heh Jul 23 08:28:36 you probably need to fix the gtk.Table call Jul 23 08:28:55 and ensure you give the attach to the table valid coords Jul 23 08:29:02 ah python-gtk bindings Jul 23 08:29:12 yeah, quick and dirty Jul 23 08:29:14 you should add an "easy" button Jul 23 08:29:15 http://pastebin.com/d2530d72e Jul 23 08:29:37 ok, i got to go buy some beer before 2am Jul 23 08:29:39 and get some food Jul 23 08:29:45 so i'll be back to do a bit more work Jul 23 08:29:51 i highlighted the mod points ---> Jul 23 08:30:07 (oh, and subtracting 150 from the signal level thing gives a dead on match to what iwconfig reports) Jul 23 08:30:24 interesting Jul 23 08:30:54 cant you just use the quality fraction to draw up a simple meter Jul 23 08:31:16 that's what i was doing before Jul 23 08:31:18 and maybe show dbm next to it Jul 23 08:31:30 oh wpa doesnt list like that duh Jul 23 08:31:33 anyway, bbl Jul 23 08:36:23 openmoko: 03zecke * r4552 10/developers/zecke/app_restarter/app_restarter.c: Jul 23 08:36:23 openmoko: app_restarter: Make sure that argv[0] is the app we want to execute... Jul 23 08:36:23 openmoko: Stupid oversight. argv[0] is supposed to the command name of the Jul 23 08:36:23 openmoko: application. Jul 23 08:39:11 why isnt there a jffs in the latest 7-23 build? still building or somethin Jul 23 08:46:00 Is there a maximum for MicroSD size in the Neo or can it take a 8Gb MicroSD Card Jul 23 08:46:03 ? Jul 23 08:46:30 that's an inclusive or question then Jul 23 08:46:34 "yes" and "yes" Jul 23 08:47:24 thx Jul 23 08:49:12 MarcOChapeau ? Jul 23 08:54:56 jakobsg: my understanding is that it supports SDHC, so any thing that conforms to that format should be readable Jul 23 08:55:21 hi, i get mkfs.vfat: not found when trying http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD Jul 23 08:55:56 install it then Jul 23 08:58:11 Yep, and sdhc goes up to 32 gigs, so there is a limit. However, logically, SDHC goes up to a couple of terabytes I think, if you remove the _arbitrary cap_ that they decided, in their great wisdom, to include in the spec. Would require checking with the SD driver people, but it's not unlikely the controller would be able to read a _possible_ future generation of SDs where the cap has been removed as well. Jul 23 08:58:13 wow, i missed a lot Jul 23 09:00:21 (anyway, I think 32 gigs is likely to be quite nice for the foreseeable use life of a freerunner, though...) Jul 23 09:01:06 unless, of course, you want to enter the Falkvinge vision of having all the music in the world on your cell ;) Jul 23 09:03:48 kd8ikt: how do i install it? copy it to the /bin/ folder on the neo? Jul 23 09:06:54 Just about to buy a larger MicroSD card, any hints I should know of ? Jul 23 09:07:21 don't buy a micro memory stick like someone here did before ;) Jul 23 09:07:28 jakobsg: there is a wiki page with some info about tested sd cards Jul 23 09:07:35 buy a good brand not on ebay :-D Jul 23 09:07:56 ok, I didn't see that - thanks Jul 23 09:08:00 heh mjr Jul 23 09:08:26 Don't worry, they are so cheap, I wouldn't dream about using ebay Jul 23 09:08:55 that's good, because that would be a poor fantasy life Jul 23 09:09:06 whats the difference between "Micro SD" and "Micro SD HC" Jul 23 09:09:24 jakobsg: HC=high capacity i think Jul 23 09:09:47 jakobsg: i'm also not sure if freerunner can currently boot from sdhc, you should check that Jul 23 09:10:22 OK - I'm reading the wiki page right now Jul 23 09:10:31 anyone know how to insatall mkfs.vfat? Jul 23 09:11:11 yeah hc is the one that goes up to 32 gigs, regular sd up to 2 Jul 23 09:11:19 those instruction are probably for a host not the actuall moko Jul 23 09:11:20 both will work Jul 23 09:11:47 mjr: Are you sure? Jul 23 09:11:59 I sure would like more than 2 gigs Jul 23 09:12:03 they in theory go up to 32, only 8 are available Jul 23 09:12:10 well I have an 8-gigger in my neo... Jul 23 09:12:25 heh Jul 23 09:12:27 gigger Jul 23 09:12:32 ok, thats good enough proof for me :-) Jul 23 09:12:45 i need to get one soon Jul 23 09:12:46 and yeah that's the biggest on the market currently afaik Jul 23 09:12:50 Can you remember which vendor Jul 23 09:12:54 sandisk Jul 23 09:12:55 they are pretty darn cheap Jul 23 09:13:09 OK, I'll stick with that, thx Jul 23 09:13:18 How about speed? Jul 23 09:13:18 sandisk also had a pretty cute microsd reader in the package Jul 23 09:13:23 20-40$ Jul 23 09:13:32 class 4, but neo's sd interface isn't that hot either Jul 23 09:14:04 haven't seen class 6 8-giggers, but I wouldn't expect it to make much difference on the freerunner Jul 23 09:14:24 OK, so I can't boost performance with class 6 Jul 23 09:14:26 LOL ftp://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/pub/Linux/LOCAL/dosfstools/ is co-written by werner Jul 23 09:15:16 didn't say you can't, just I don't expect it ;) FR has that 7MB/s bus to both gpu and the microsd, and that's with full cpu utilization. Jul 23 09:15:51 too bad he didn't include how to install them :( Jul 23 09:18:13 i think it's pretty well expected to format the thing on a computer Jul 23 09:18:37 i don't hava a cardreader Jul 23 09:18:47 i can format it to ext2 or ext3 on the freerunner Jul 23 09:18:53 the neo does come with one Jul 23 09:18:54 but FAT doesn't work... Jul 23 09:19:18 it comes with an adapter for microSD to SD Jul 23 09:19:32 oh, you mean you can't read sd, hah Jul 23 09:19:33 yeah find a friend with a cardreader Jul 23 09:19:34 sorry Jul 23 09:19:51 or create a toolchain and cross-compile mkfs.vfat Jul 23 09:19:59 heh on the neo? Jul 23 09:20:04 ieatlint: that's a bit too complicated for me :) Jul 23 09:20:23 oh i the cross toolchain Jul 23 09:20:28 but i thought the neo could boot without fat since one of the latet uboot images Jul 23 09:22:39 Zorkman, http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/mkfs.vfat Jul 23 09:23:00 that is either what you think it is, or some sort of malware Jul 23 09:24:14 thanks! how did you find that? maybe google doesn't like me today... Jul 23 09:24:27 i compiled it Jul 23 09:24:48 yay Jul 23 09:25:23 heh Jul 23 09:28:30 ieatlint: maybe you want to document that in the wiki. Jul 23 09:28:43 that would be nice since vfat on the neo seems a common requested feature Jul 23 09:29:16 i dunno, i'm pretty lazy... i can leave it up on that server so you can link the wiki to it Jul 23 09:30:13 i will add it to the wiki then Jul 23 09:31:52 may i use fat32 on my micro SD card ???? it could be usufull when sd on my camera is full... Jul 23 09:32:23 marcinsoo: as far as i know there is no problem with using fat 32 Jul 23 09:33:12 yeah, you can... but if it matters, you will not be able to use any permissions or create any sort of symbolic links on the card (if you don't know what that means, it won't matter to you) Jul 23 09:35:03 oh, Zorkman, let me upload dosfsck too ... good to have Jul 23 09:35:17 I've been thinking about saving up the $400 to purchase the openmoko. Would anyone here say they use the phone as a phone (voice and text messaging) and how well has it been working for just those two items? Jul 23 09:35:33 thx, i know what that means :) Jul 23 09:36:21 http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/fsck.msdos ... go ahead and link that to the wiki too Jul 23 09:36:24 prjktdtnt: qtopia seems to werk perfectly well for those two items, i just havent tested the sound during a call withg gtopia Jul 23 09:37:07 zorkman: thank you, what about when using the OM shipped image? Jul 23 09:38:59 prjktdtnt: after a suspend it isn't that relable anymore, and you need to tweak the alsamixer to get a reasonable sound (doesn't work too well here, but i'm a noob) Jul 23 09:39:06 ieatlint: done Jul 23 09:39:11 thanks again Jul 23 09:39:25 np Jul 23 09:39:53 suspend doesnt work for me Jul 23 09:40:08 zorkman: thanks, sounds like if I do purchase I will have to run qtopia at first until the OM images are more stabilized. Would be nice if GPRS worked from the UI also but that isn't important. So long as I can text message my friends and make phone calls the rest is only icing Jul 23 09:40:14 * ieatlint finished eating and returns to coding Jul 23 09:40:15 well maybe for like 2 min but after that it goes into a coma Jul 23 09:40:48 prjktdtnt: i don't use gprs, but have seen many reports of people who got it to work Jul 23 09:41:53 zorkman: i've seen that in the community lists also. I don't use the data plan but I would like to get it and use the FR to teather to my linux laptop so I can connect to the net on the road (i do a lot of remote administration and finding a hotspot can be a pain sometimes) Jul 23 09:41:57 openmoko needs more cowbell Jul 23 09:43:39 :) Jul 23 09:48:21 anyone found a good set of instructions to get qtopia working under qemu so I can pick that one apart a little? Jul 23 09:48:35 ieatlint: i get with both files an error: Jul 23 09:48:44 mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 Jul 23 09:48:44 mkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005) Jul 23 09:48:44 Illegal instruction Jul 23 09:48:46 and Jul 23 09:48:55 fsck.msdos /dev/mmcblk0p1 Jul 23 09:48:55 dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN Jul 23 09:48:55 Logical sector size is zero. Jul 23 09:49:16 that's interesting Jul 23 09:49:17 hi Jul 23 09:49:46 Is there anybody who knows well the Wifi part of openmoko ? ( Ar6k driver and SDK in particular ) Jul 23 09:49:48 hi Drakou Jul 23 09:51:00 sorry Drakou, i'm no expert Jul 23 09:57:18 I've just sent an email on the openmoko kernel mailing list Jul 23 09:57:39 I think somebody should answer Jul 23 09:58:16 Drakou: just basic hint for getting help, don't ask to ask, just ask ;) Jul 23 09:58:36 Drakou: as in, noone knows if they know enough to help you until you tell your problem Jul 23 09:58:44 ok :p Jul 23 09:59:13 I would like to know the WM3236AQ Firwmare revision used in the GTA02 board Jul 23 09:59:32 in theory the version is given at kernel start Jul 23 09:59:37 it should looks like that : Jul 23 09:59:56 BMI Get Target Info: Exit (ver: 0x20000059 type: 0x1) Jul 23 10:00:08 just after the ar6000_available line Jul 23 10:06:12 Drakou: i believe it's the same on gta02a5 Jul 23 10:07:27 i don't have an A5 to check, but it should be ver: 0x20000059 type: 0x1 too Jul 23 10:08:15 ieatlint: it is caused by an error in dosfsck for which there is a patch (http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=7708) in case it would interest you Jul 23 10:10:25 is that a request for me to patch it an recompile? Jul 23 10:11:07 thank you balrog-kun Jul 23 10:12:08 Drakou: somebody's example dmesg is at http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-January/000597.html but it's from before mass production Jul 23 10:15:45 ieatlint: no, that is up to you to decide if it is nescesarry and worth your time, i have reverted to an older uImage and will see if it works with the older image Jul 23 10:17:44 ok , it's the same version I have ... Jul 23 10:24:44 Drakou: might want to ask someone of the mass production unit owners here later Jul 23 10:25:26 I also sent a mail on the openmoko kernel mailing list 10 minutes ago Jul 23 10:27:57 Drakou i hava amass production unit Jul 23 10:28:11 http://pastebin.com/m566cb188 <-- my dmesg Jul 23 10:28:21 can I help you with something? (if you tell me exactly what to do i can manage it ;)) Jul 23 10:29:12 think that was 18-or 19th's (few days ago) latest build Jul 23 10:29:28 getting ready to reflash soon Jul 23 10:30:19 hmmm Jul 23 10:30:42 my FR reports "Link Quality:171/94 Signal level:-180 dBm Noise level:-96 dBm" with iwconfig Jul 23 10:30:54 wow Jul 23 10:30:56 cool Jul 23 10:30:56 i really don't think the link quality should be more than 1 Jul 23 10:30:59 heh Jul 23 10:31:10 ieatlint: i have also seen this Jul 23 10:31:24 it displeases me Jul 23 10:31:41 kd8ikt: nice - we don't all have the same MAC :) Jul 23 10:32:38 its trivial to change Jul 23 10:34:06 ifconfig eth0 hw something something Jul 23 10:34:13 er usb0 Jul 23 10:36:11 Hey, long time Jul 23 10:36:46 Any reason why there is no GSM1800 version to buy ? Jul 23 10:37:06 gotta love seattle - random drunk person outside cutting people's grass randomly at 330am Jul 23 10:37:31 evocallaghan1, because both do 1800 and 1900 Jul 23 10:38:09 hence triband gsm Jul 23 10:38:37 What graphic chipset will the GTA03 include ? Jul 23 10:38:49 ati Jul 23 10:39:06 hi Jul 23 10:39:09 and a 64bit proccessor and run windows mobile 8 Jul 23 10:39:23 root@om-gta02:/usr/lib/telepathy# ./mission-control Jul 23 10:39:23 Failed to open connection to bus: dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-Bus session: Autolaunch requested, but X11 support not compiled in. Jul 23 10:39:23 Cannot continue. Jul 23 10:39:23 Segmentation fault Jul 23 10:39:31 any idea about this error? Jul 23 10:40:02 dbus-launch ./miss Jul 23 10:40:30 Zorkman: did everything work finally? Jul 23 10:44:10 Hmm, so the 900 one is the go ? Jul 23 10:44:23 Wonder when the 3G version is comming ? Jul 23 10:44:46 Also, Will OpenMoko make it into some high street shops ? Jul 23 10:45:41 CVirus, dumb framebuffer Jul 23 10:46:18 evocallaghan1, if you're not in NA or parts of SA, 900 one is better for you, yes. Also, maybe, eventually, but not soon. Jul 23 10:46:30 edistar: no Jul 23 10:46:44 edistar: i just cvant firmat it to fat Jul 23 10:46:50 *format Jul 23 10:47:23 mjr: what is that ? Jul 23 10:47:27 i tried two tools compiled by ieatlint (mkfs.vfat and fsck.msdos Jul 23 10:47:35 CVirus, same as gta01 Jul 23 10:47:41 Zorkman: you can also use an ext2 partition for the kernel Jul 23 10:47:44 mjr: why ? Jul 23 10:47:57 Zorkman: try that, and keep to the instructions otherwise Jul 23 10:48:08 ok, so ext2 for kernel and ext3 for other partition Jul 23 10:48:19 CVirus, because the glamo wasn't as hot as it sounded Jul 23 10:48:40 mjr: so we're getting nothing but framebuffer on the GTA03 ? Jul 23 10:48:51 no Xorg ? Jul 23 10:49:12 ugh Jul 23 10:50:04 Zorkman: or both ext2, doesn't really matter Jul 23 10:50:16 ok, i'm untarring Jul 23 10:50:24 (if that is a word..) Jul 23 10:50:28 CVirus, what're you on? Jul 23 10:50:44 what do you mean ? Jul 23 10:50:54 it'll run X (kdrive presumably, not the X.org main server) just like up to now of course Jul 23 10:50:56 crack kills Jul 23 10:51:37 mjr: oh .. I get it .... I just want to understand what does "dumb framebuffer" mean ? Jul 23 10:51:41 wonder how well doom or quake will run Jul 23 10:51:49 heeh Jul 23 10:52:16 * kd8ikt remembers playing on my 2g ipod Jul 23 10:52:51 CVirus, it's an answer to your question on what graphics chipset it'll have. Well, a partial answer anyway. No separate chipset, just the non-accelerated framebuffer provided by the SoC Jul 23 10:53:19 non-accelerated == no video ? Jul 23 10:53:32 here you go with conclusions again Jul 23 10:53:43 neo used framebuffer Jul 23 10:53:49 hehe Jul 23 10:54:48 gta01 could (barely) manage prerotated video in qvga mode, gta03 should manage at least the same. Probably should expect to need to re-encode for playback on it though, not to get disappointed Jul 23 10:55:22 stupid question: how do i enter the pin, without the keyboard on the current daily builds? Jul 23 10:55:47 folken you are using the ASU i presume? Jul 23 10:55:51 mjr: thanks for the info Jul 23 10:56:15 it seems it is broken, and the developpers don't want you to hava a button to let the keyboard pop-up Jul 23 10:56:44 folken, you could try talking nice to it :D Jul 23 10:56:50 Zorkman: buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200807/20080721/ Jul 23 10:56:50 Zorkman: the devs do, but the designers don't Jul 23 10:57:24 BBishop: _that_ must be the reason. at the moment i am more swearing at it. :) Jul 23 10:57:33 edistar: yes, sorry, I know raster does want it and has protested against it Jul 23 10:57:40 :)) Jul 23 10:57:42 told ya' ! Jul 23 10:57:47 violence isn't the answer Jul 23 10:58:26 well i do see the reason for not having a button to call up the keyboard. The keyboard should pop up as soon as there is something to enter. Jul 23 10:58:28 can u ssh in and exec the kleyboard app manually? Jul 23 10:58:42 or dont use a sim pin Jul 23 10:58:51 kd8ikt: do you know what binary the keyboard is? Jul 23 10:58:55 kd8ikt: i can ssh into it. Jul 23 10:58:57 nope Jul 23 10:59:09 find / |grep keyboard heh Jul 23 10:59:34 or use find's own grep : find / -iname *keyboard* or something like this Jul 23 11:00:01 /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/PredictiveKeyboard.conf *irony* :) Jul 23 11:00:25 oh your using qtopia Jul 23 11:00:29 will OM be stable any time soon for the regular user ? Jul 23 11:00:34 i've never touched it Jul 23 11:00:48 i'm using whatever the daily build throw at me. Jul 23 11:01:01 BBishop: in half a year maybe Jul 23 11:01:07 is the gps/sd software fix in the current kernel for 2007.2? Jul 23 11:01:09 edistar: ok, i'm ready to boot in NAND now, cross my fingers :) Jul 23 11:01:17 ecraven: yes Jul 23 11:01:22 then I'll wait .. Jul 23 11:01:34 only the HW fix doesn't happen when you flash :p Jul 23 11:02:31 Zorkman: hehe, unfortunate ;( i'll find some smd-soldering-savvy people at my uni, i hope Jul 23 11:02:38 is it "just" one capacitator? Jul 23 11:02:46 ecraven: yes Jul 23 11:03:07 mine works fine as is Jul 23 11:03:08 hmm, nice to hear that alsa dmix works nicely for them in fso Jul 23 11:03:10 ecraven: but i am waiting to see some tests if SW fix isn't as good as SW + HW fix Jul 23 11:03:56 mjr: yes it works in fso. Fso in gereral does work. Jul 23 11:03:56 is there anyone here who can make calls with good audio quality? i either almost mute myself or create an echo on the other side :) Jul 23 11:04:04 openmoko: 03wendy_hung * rbceef45b0d01 10/src/plugins/inputmethods/predictivekeyboard/qwsinputmethod_x11.cpp: [predictivekeyboard] find maps for symbols Jul 23 11:04:11 Zorkman: no issues there with fso. Jul 23 11:04:29 Zorkman: i've noticed the same Jul 23 11:04:37 folken: current fso, or milestone 1? Jul 23 11:04:43 folken: but FSO seems to kep getting delayed... Jul 23 11:04:54 ecraven: gta01bv4 with milestone 1 Jul 23 11:05:14 folken: i tried the FR with milestone 1, very bad audio quality, and echoes Jul 23 11:05:23 ecraven: sorry to hear.. Jul 23 11:05:40 why are the microphones on the *sides* on the FR? Jul 23 11:05:41 ecraven: although i had no real audio issues at all, except audio routing issues. Jul 23 11:05:51 ecraven: in the entire development phase. Jul 23 11:06:20 edistar: i'm in uboot NAND and i try setenv boot_menu_timeout 99999 but i get "-bash: setenv: command not found" Jul 23 11:06:41 you need to connect to the neo Jul 23 11:06:55 it is connected... Jul 23 11:06:57 Zorkman: cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 Jul 23 11:06:58 i'll try and reconnect it Jul 23 11:07:10 no, not the cable, using cu or neocon or minicom ... Jul 23 11:07:32 i don't have cu, should i use "screen" instead? Jul 23 11:07:41 no, screen is a very different program Jul 23 11:07:48 heh Jul 23 11:07:49 ok, i'll try to yum install Jul 23 11:07:50 cu never worked for me, i'm using neocon. found it somewhere on the wiki Jul 23 11:07:52 ecraven: screen works too, its an emulator too Jul 23 11:08:13 ah, screen is everything it seems ;) Jul 23 11:08:20 ok, i'll screen then :) Jul 23 11:08:36 i'm "in" Jul 23 11:08:45 "screen, the most underhyped tool on *nix" Jul 23 11:08:53 do i just copy and paste "setenv boot_menu_timeout 99999" ? Jul 23 11:08:59 yes Jul 23 11:09:13 carrar, you still here? Jul 23 11:09:24 paste doesn't seem to work.. Jul 23 11:09:27 maybe pasting doesn't work.. I heard that some had problems with that Jul 23 11:09:30 i'll enter it manually Jul 23 11:09:47 typing also doesn'"t work... Jul 23 11:09:59 or is it normal that i can't see what i am typing (telnet like..) Jul 23 11:10:10 no Jul 23 11:10:11 it should say "Ok connection established" (or something like that) Jul 23 11:10:21 ut: usbtty Jul 23 11:10:25 Err: usbtty Jul 23 11:10:25 how did you start screen? Jul 23 11:10:29 PCB rev: 0x000 Jul 23 11:10:29 Power: switching led 2 0 Jul 23 11:10:29 switching led 2 1 Jul 23 11:10:29 switching led 2 0 Jul 23 11:10:29 GTA02v5 # DEVICE_CONFIGURED: 1 Jul 23 11:10:29 is what it says Jul 23 11:10:41 looks good ;) Jul 23 11:10:43 screen -l /dev/ttyACM0 Jul 23 11:11:03 you don't want or need -l Jul 23 11:11:09 ok, i'll reconnect Jul 23 11:11:47 ok once again : Jul 23 11:11:50 *:) Jul 23 11:12:00 kd8ikt, you about? Jul 23 11:12:06 no Jul 23 11:12:28 just flashed qtopia to see what the fuss waqs about Jul 23 11:12:32 oh, then you'd best not check your priv messages until you get back Jul 23 11:13:42 edistar: the wiki is a bit confusing; i have two lines with "menu_" one menu_6 and one menu_8 Jul 23 11:14:50 it looks like this: http://pastebin.com/m4bf05356 Jul 23 11:14:54 so which images for OM recieve now the most attention? Jul 23 11:15:27 folken: definitely ASU Jul 23 11:15:56 Zorkman: you want to keep those menu lines Jul 23 11:16:27 Zorkman: afaik booting from sd is already in uboot? it was on my FR Jul 23 11:16:44 yes it is there, but is says FAT+ext2 Jul 23 11:17:04 why not Jul 23 11:17:07 just try it Jul 23 11:17:09 if i do that i get a "bad magic number" Jul 23 11:18:38 (it's the same i got yesterday) Jul 23 11:19:41 okey Jul 23 11:20:11 edistar: just to clarify the asu is the qtopia based stack? Jul 23 11:20:19 I suggest you try to learn a little about setenv commands and then try to reset ist Jul 23 11:20:22 *it Jul 23 11:20:24 folken: yes Jul 23 11:20:27 folken: yes Jul 23 11:20:51 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rf27ac6e0e8cf 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up the reversion of assassin to 204 Jul 23 11:20:55 :(... it doesn't seem very simple Jul 23 11:21:09 no, that's true :( Jul 23 11:21:15 Zorkman: enter help at the prompt Jul 23 11:21:26 Zorkman: then you will see what kind of commands are availble Jul 23 11:22:08 Zorkman: and i kindly suggest never to use nvram erase ... :) Jul 23 11:22:28 :) Jul 23 11:22:43 augh. change local.conf, it rescans all 5000 bitbake recipes Jul 23 11:24:22 hi Jul 23 11:24:36 Hi!:) Jul 23 11:24:39 anyone having problems to build OM2007.2 on Ubuntu 8.04? Jul 23 11:25:13 hi, sorry, no experience Jul 23 11:26:21 unable to finish http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokomakefile :/ Jul 23 11:26:49 patrykszymczak: log? Jul 23 11:27:10 http://rafb.net/p/Fr2iwt92.html Jul 23 11:27:37 edistar: wouldn't it be possible to flash a device + sd card to a tripple boot system? Jul 23 11:27:47 (if someone modified the uboot) Jul 23 11:28:16 also tried workaround with "sudo sysctl -w vm.mmap_min_addr=0" Jul 23 11:28:43 scree Jul 23 11:30:30 Zorkman: if course! I have that at the moment ;) gtk on internal, debian and ASU on card Jul 23 11:30:44 *of Jul 23 11:31:07 Zorkman: don't have to modify uboot Jul 23 11:31:13 but i mean to make what you have in a flashable image for another phone Jul 23 11:31:46 sry, I don't understand you Jul 23 11:32:59 i can flash a kernel, uboot and filesystem to the phone (although i know nothig about linux) if it would be able for users to use the same technique to flash an extra OS on the phone in the same manner it would simplify a lot (eg not having to screen etc) Jul 23 11:33:08 or maybe that just isnt possible Jul 23 11:33:43 Zorkman: yes, good idea Jul 23 11:33:51 Zorkman: might even be possible Jul 23 11:34:21 is there a way to prevent the FR from turning on when power is supplied?? (battery inserted, usb connected, ...) Jul 23 11:34:21 i'm going to eat now, afterwards i'll try to screen some more :) Jul 23 11:34:26 thanks for the help! Jul 23 11:35:36 :) Jul 23 11:37:29 can tangogps work directly with /dev/ttySAC1? Jul 23 11:37:35 or does it absolutely need gpsd? Jul 23 11:38:34 ecraven: I think it needs gpsd Jul 23 11:44:51 has anyone played around with debian on the FR recently? (i know about the guide on the wiki) Jul 23 11:47:40 i haven't ecraven Jul 23 11:50:35 ecraven: I have debian on FR Jul 23 11:51:02 edistar: what gui do you use? Jul 23 11:51:02 who know which uart is for serial ouput when connect debug board Jul 23 11:51:09 ecraven: xfce at the momen Jul 23 11:51:12 anyone know what opkg includes the `install` command? Jul 23 11:51:12 *moment Jul 23 11:51:13 there are three uart port 0, 1, 2 Jul 23 11:51:31 ecraven: but there is a slight problem ;) if you could figure out how to calibrate that'd be super Jul 23 11:51:47 edistar: ;) i copied Xglamo and its calibration data Jul 23 11:51:56 without Xglamo, nothing seems to work right Jul 23 11:51:58 ecraven: and it works? Jul 23 11:52:06 edistar: yes Jul 23 11:52:14 ecraven: pls give me some instructions? Jul 23 11:52:17 what is glamo, anyway? the graphics part? Jul 23 11:52:22 edistar, fatload mmc 1 0x32000000 \${sd_image_name}\; bootm 0x32000000, i installed the asu so is sd_image_name = openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02 ? Jul 23 11:52:55 ecraven: the graphics chip Jul 23 11:52:58 (or openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jjfs2?) Jul 23 11:53:21 ecraven: how did you do it? Jul 23 11:53:50 edistar: a second Jul 23 11:54:05 got , uart 1for ttyUSB0, 2 for 1 Jul 23 11:54:09 edistar: you take Xglamo from /usr/bin from 2007.2 Jul 23 11:54:15 put it into /usr/bin on your debian install Jul 23 11:54:42 okey Jul 23 11:55:27 then you rename /usr/bin/X to something like X.orig, and make X a symlink to Xglamo Jul 23 11:55:31 ln -s Xglamo X Jul 23 11:56:29 hm, /usr/bin/Xglamo doesn't exist in ASU, I'll have to reflash the phone again.. Jul 23 11:56:36 no Jul 23 11:56:44 i'll put it online in a minute Jul 23 11:56:50 ok :) Jul 23 11:56:54 also copy /etc/pointercal (i'll include that) Jul 23 11:57:03 yeah, I've got that already Jul 23 11:58:07 http://eutyche.swe.uni-linz.ac.at/tmp/Xglamo-and-pointercal.tar Jul 23 11:58:13 thanks Jul 23 11:58:15 only the files, no correct directories ;) Jul 23 11:58:21 yes Jul 23 11:58:30 and that was it for me.. though i don't have xfce yet, i'll try that in a minute Jul 23 11:58:42 I'll test Jul 23 11:59:19 how do you login to X automatically? Jul 23 11:59:21 to multiboot i have to enter fatload mmc 1 0x32000000 \${sd_image_name} , what is the sd_image_file when i used openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.tar.gz ? (although it will probably not work because of the "fatload" command") Jul 23 11:59:32 uImage or uImage.bin Jul 23 11:59:40 you can use printenv to see it Jul 23 11:59:43 ok Jul 23 11:59:55 connect to the nand/nor boot, type "printenv" ;) Jul 23 12:00:05 thanks, i wish i could format fat :( Jul 23 12:00:14 edistar: you don't happen to have a kernel that includes the sd patch for debian? Jul 23 12:00:20 maybe when i boot windows i will be able to do that with partitionmagic Jul 23 12:00:23 Zorkman: me too ;( i keep moving my sd cards around Jul 23 12:00:35 what operating system do you have? Jul 23 12:01:17 fedora9, knoppix, fedora9liveusb, win xp and vista Jul 23 12:01:27 bt i use fedora9 for the freerunner Jul 23 12:01:43 mkfs.vfat doesn't work? Jul 23 12:01:56 not on the freerunner Jul 23 12:02:01 ah, yes Jul 23 12:02:14 i thought you meant on the host system. but it shouldn't be too hard to get it onto the FR Jul 23 12:02:16 i get mkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005) Illegal instruction Jul 23 12:02:26 also, there isn't any need for the boot partition anyway, it shouldn't be necessary! Jul 23 12:02:28 and with another program: dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN Logical sector size is zero. Jul 23 12:02:41 ecraven: just use any kernel new kernel  Jul 23 12:02:51 wtf? Jul 23 12:03:31 ecraven: sorry, any new OM kernel Jul 23 12:03:49 where do i get the modules? from the rootfs? Jul 23 12:04:05 ecraven: you can get the modules from buildhost.openmoko.org Jul 23 12:05:13 lol: Jul 23 12:05:13 GTA02v5 # help Jul 23 12:05:13 Unknown command 'help' - try 'help' Jul 23 12:05:29 openmoko: 03zecke * rb3e4f620379a 10/src/plugins/inputmethods/predictivekeyboard/keyboard.cpp: [predictivekeyboard] Hide the OptionsWindow when the keyboard gets moved out of screen Jul 23 12:05:29 openmoko: 03zecke * r0f4816a1bdb3 10/src/libraries/qtopia/qsoftmenubar.cpp: [option menu] Use QMenu::popup to reposition a visible popupmenu... Jul 23 12:11:58 ecraven: Xserver doesn't even start anymore.. Jul 23 12:13:21 ECRAVEN Jul 23 12:16:37 edistar: can you try startx -- vt1 from the console? Jul 23 12:16:44 Dave: hey ;) Jul 23 12:17:12 edistar: i'm installing xfce4 right now, as soon as it's done, i'll tell you whether and how i got it working Jul 23 12:17:32 ecraven: http://nopaste.org/p/adauyGk6r Jul 23 12:18:02 edistar: good point, i copied that library from 2007.2 too ;) Jul 23 12:18:07 hah, ok Jul 23 12:18:16 ecraven: can you upload that for me? Jul 23 12:18:49 cause the libts provided by debian doesn't seem to be enough Jul 23 12:18:50 neod neod neod Jul 23 12:18:59 http://eutyche.swe.uni-linz.ac.at/tmp/libts-1.0.so.0.0.0 Jul 23 12:19:10 put it in /usr/lib, and symlink libts-1.0.so.0 to it Jul 23 12:19:28 yes, for some reason debian has 0.0?!? Jul 23 12:19:51 yes Jul 23 12:20:54 ecraven: ah, failed to open tslib device, tried /dev/ts etc.. Jul 23 12:21:00 yes Jul 23 12:21:06 a second Jul 23 12:21:17 o_O Jul 23 12:21:22 Section "InputDevice" Jul 23 12:21:22 Identifier "Configured Mouse" Jul 23 12:21:22 Driver "tslib" Jul 23 12:21:22 Option "CorePointer" Jul 23 12:21:22 Option "Device" "/dev/input/event1" Jul 23 12:21:23 Option "Protocol" "Auto" Jul 23 12:21:25 EndSection Jul 23 12:21:31 put this into /etc/X11/xorg.conf Jul 23 12:21:32 :o Jul 23 12:21:47 I have that already Jul 23 12:22:17 what is the exact error? Jul 23 12:22:26 ecraven: one moment Jul 23 12:22:41 i remember it happened, but not sure how i fixed it Jul 23 12:22:56 What sort of evil things are you two up to? :P Jul 23 12:23:02 getting debian to work decently ;) Jul 23 12:23:08 ecraven: I have access to the gsm modem btw :) there are 2 udev rules in OM that are not in debian, if you add them you can talk to gsm modem via ttySAC0 Jul 23 12:23:11 on freerunner? :D Jul 23 12:23:23 Dave: yes Jul 23 12:23:44 edistar: perfect.. we should collect some of this on the wiki, or provide debian packages for Xglamo, maybe? Jul 23 12:23:45 What did you install? Jul 23 12:24:16 ecraven: yeah, I just have to find this again Jul 23 12:24:32 bound to be in /etc/udev/rules.d Jul 23 12:24:39 but xfce with onboard keyboard is really cool Jul 23 12:24:44 if the calibration is correct ; Jul 23 12:24:45 ;) Jul 23 12:24:57 how do i get the onscreen keyboard to pop up? Jul 23 12:25:13 ecraven: have you seen wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/debian? Jul 23 12:25:19 yes Jul 23 12:25:36 it tells you there Jul 23 12:25:50 rules.d! Jul 23 12:25:57 ah, just saw it, thanks! Jul 23 12:27:05 Did you hit it? Jul 23 12:28:13 ecraven: tried to symlink /dev/input/event1 to /dev/ts but that didn't work.. Jul 23 12:29:19 can you paste the entire error message? Jul 23 12:29:32 Have you plugged a mouse into your freeruner? Jul 23 12:30:05 ecraven: http://nopaste.org/p/aeYW2DYeP Jul 23 12:30:31 hehe, i remember, a second Jul 23 12:30:38 dows opening the FR void the guarantee? Jul 23 12:30:43 put this into /etc/profile Jul 23 12:30:46 export TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/dev/input/event1 Jul 23 12:30:46 export TSLIB_CONFFILE=/etc/ts.conf Jul 23 12:30:53 stupid libts.. Jul 23 12:31:54 retracile :) Jul 23 12:31:56 failed to open tslib device Jul 23 12:32:10 then you need to relog Jul 23 12:32:12 Hey Dave; what's up? Jul 23 12:32:20 or run ". /etc/profile" in your shell Jul 23 12:32:25 I did that Jul 23 12:32:30 but it still doesn't work Jul 23 12:32:37 cat debian > freerunner Jul 23 12:32:39 it does now try to open /dev/input/event1 Jul 23 12:32:52 do you have rights to open it? Jul 23 12:33:29 ecraven: how could I not have the rights? I'm root atm Jul 23 12:34:03 does cat /dev/input/event1 work? Jul 23 12:34:12 ecraven: no, it does not.. I wonder why. Jul 23 12:34:13 i.e. produce output if you move your finger on the touchscreen? Jul 23 12:34:14 I cant find anything about flashing a new uboot to a fr, just for the 1973 (requiring a debug board). Hints? Jul 23 12:34:25 Tanuva: why would you? Jul 23 12:34:37 oh, is there no touchscreen0 device? :P Jul 23 12:34:39 to be able to boot from sd Jul 23 12:35:00 Tanuva: that also works with the factory uboot Jul 23 12:35:43 huh.. Jul 23 12:35:44 strange Jul 23 12:36:05 but why's this yellow box there: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card Jul 23 12:36:44 ecraven: I do have a udev rule.. Jul 23 12:37:20 it works here.. maybe something got broken, can you reboot? Jul 23 12:37:32 or use udevinfo to find out why event1 doesn't work Jul 23 12:37:42 has anyone already successfully received an invisibleShield ordered at zagg.com? Jul 23 12:37:48 ecraven: I'll check, rebooting now Jul 23 12:37:52 accelerometers! Jul 23 12:38:22 ecraven: we should speed up the boot process Jul 23 12:38:25 somehow Jul 23 12:38:37 Keep under the speed limit and get away from my lawn! Jul 23 12:38:38 argh, fs check Jul 23 12:38:46 haha Jul 23 12:39:13 edistar: very much ;) Jul 23 12:40:21 bumbl: still waiting for mine Jul 23 12:40:26 (I'm in europe) Jul 23 12:41:04 edistar: works nicely, but xfce is rather slow too ;( Jul 23 12:41:14 ecraven: really? Jul 23 12:41:20 more flux please! Jul 23 12:41:20 ecraven: it was fast the last time I used it Jul 23 12:41:29 ecraven: must be the Xglamo Jul 23 12:41:30 -.- Jul 23 12:41:37 xblamo Jul 23 12:41:43 might be ;( Jul 23 12:41:45 xplosion Jul 23 12:41:54 what web-browser do you use? Jul 23 12:41:59 ecraven: nonne yet Jul 23 12:42:05 *none Jul 23 12:42:10 ts still doesn't work Jul 23 12:42:17 awww Jul 23 12:42:28 still don't have an event1 -.- Jul 23 12:43:16 strange ;( Jul 23 12:43:37 the force is not strong with this one Jul 23 12:44:27 ecraven: how do I use udevinfo? Jul 23 12:44:41 try udevinfo class/input/event1 Jul 23 12:44:58 missing option Jul 23 12:45:36 anyone here running wifi on their FR and can check something for me quickly? Jul 23 12:45:38 udevinfo --query=all --name input/event1 Jul 23 12:45:52 node name not found Jul 23 12:45:53 specifically, run "iwconfig eth0" and tell me if the noise level says -96 dBm Jul 23 12:45:58 strange, works for me Jul 23 12:47:04 ecraven: this is in my /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules : http://nopaste.org/p/auYEtcQhhb Jul 23 12:47:43 edistar: mine is the default debian one, plus the rule for SAC? Jul 23 12:47:55 SAC? Jul 23 12:48:04 oh, you rename event0 to event1 Jul 23 12:48:05 SAC SAC SAC Jul 23 12:48:05 that won't work Jul 23 12:48:15 that way you "overwrite" your original event1 Jul 23 12:48:17 i think ;) Jul 23 12:48:29 hm Jul 23 12:48:38 I'll comment it out Jul 23 12:48:39 ieatlint: yes Jul 23 12:48:43 ecraven, forgot how you did it? :) Jul 23 12:48:47 ieatlint: without upping the interface Jul 23 12:48:54 Dave: did what? Jul 23 12:49:06 i'm reasonably sure the driver always reports -96 dBm for the noise... Jul 23 12:49:20 a second, i'll try to connect to a network Jul 23 12:49:32 ieatlint, while it's down? Jul 23 12:49:39 very nice, link quality 180/94 ;-P Jul 23 12:49:45 Dave, no, always Jul 23 12:49:47 yeah Jul 23 12:49:48 signal level -171 dBm Jul 23 12:49:54 I get like 230/80 and stuff Jul 23 12:50:09 it's karazay Jul 23 12:50:22 the driver is reporting it incorrectly Jul 23 12:50:30 duh Jul 23 12:50:30 the only accurate variable appears to be the snr Jul 23 12:50:37 rebooting my neo now Jul 23 12:50:38 :] Jul 23 12:50:51 can i change the uboot to automatically boot from SD? Jul 23 12:51:17 grub grub grub Jul 23 12:51:39 aaaand Jul 23 12:52:10 how to use grub Jul 23 12:53:09 ecraven: this is described in the "boot from sd" wiki page afaik Jul 23 12:53:20 (not that I have read/done that) Jul 23 12:53:53 hmmm. looking at my gps atenna connector, it doesn't look like the one pin is soldered on at all Jul 23 12:54:02 rasterman said on the ml that its possible to decompile .edj files using edje_decc. But where can I get this thingy from? Can't find it in any package.. Jul 23 12:54:12 Tanuva: the problem is the "automatically" part Jul 23 12:54:33 ecraven: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card#Autoboot_from_SDHC Jul 23 12:54:49 Tanuva: oh, thanks! Jul 23 12:55:12 np :) Jul 23 12:56:46 AutoAssplosion Jul 23 12:57:23 what is pcf50633? Jul 23 12:57:37 that keeps scheduling work? :D Jul 23 12:57:53 yes, i'd prefer a lower debug level ;) Jul 23 12:57:59 yeah :P Jul 23 12:58:14 I found that rather annoying, too. Jul 23 12:58:26 let's see if it still works XD Jul 23 12:58:31 nice guide to booting from the SD it must have been added recently Jul 23 12:58:49 Everything was added "recently" :P Jul 23 12:58:50 booting = auto booting Jul 23 12:59:15 Dave, yes in geological scale Jul 23 12:59:41 o_O Jul 23 12:59:58 * Dave sets haudryarab up teh bomb Jul 23 12:59:59 recently we started farming the contry Jul 23 13:00:18 grmpf... I just want this damn edje_decc... >.< Jul 23 13:01:03 ecraven: I now have an event1.. but startx --vt1 tells me this: http://nopaste.org/p/aYgTMCrbB Jul 23 13:01:11 *tik* *tok* *tik* *tok* *riiiiing* *KABLAM* Jul 23 13:02:03 :D Jul 23 13:02:38 ecraven: cat /dev/input/event1 does though :) Jul 23 13:03:27 how do things get sorted and categoriesed in the app starter? Jul 23 13:03:37 terribly :P Jul 23 13:03:49 Fossi: with .desktop files in /usr/share/applications Jul 23 13:03:56 thanks Jul 23 13:04:28 ecraven: does ts work for you? Jul 23 13:04:32 edistar: yes Jul 23 13:04:35 makes you wonder why a browser would be part of 'PIM Suit' Jul 23 13:04:41 teamspeak? :P Jul 23 13:04:42 Fossi: keep an eye on the categor(y|ies), not every cat is displayed Jul 23 13:04:58 Fossi, there is little logic to it, I've found :P Jul 23 13:05:02 yeah Jul 23 13:05:03 edistar: that's the same thing X tells me Jul 23 13:05:06 it still works though Jul 23 13:05:10 what does yours do? Jul 23 13:05:31 well, it starts xfce but it doesn't recognize taps on the screen Jul 23 13:05:52 crappy Jul 23 13:05:58 strange.. Jul 23 13:06:15 ecraven: does it recognize taps with you? Jul 23 13:06:22 it did, without xfce Jul 23 13:06:28 not sure about xfce, just compiling tangogps now Jul 23 13:06:43 starting x now, a minute ;) Jul 23 13:06:46 (literally..) Jul 23 13:07:36 what is the best image out there as far as every day use goes? Jul 23 13:08:18 kdub: try the latest openmoko gtk image, to me it seems more stable than asu Jul 23 13:09:02 ecraven :D Jul 23 13:09:04 sounds good Jul 23 13:09:19 thanks bumbl Jul 23 13:09:29 np Jul 23 13:09:45 ecraven: why does it take so long? Jul 23 13:10:02 edistar: i'm compiling besides ;) Jul 23 13:10:07 ah, okey Jul 23 13:10:15 will the gtk image be discontinued when the asu is in better shape? there are like 3 different stacks to work on, and I don't know which one to focus on... :-/ Jul 23 13:10:26 let's hope FSO is the future Jul 23 13:10:26 focus on FSO Jul 23 13:10:44 FSO as middleware and ASU/illume as window manager Jul 23 13:10:44 edistar: have you got sound working? Jul 23 13:10:54 ecraven: haven't tried yet, I'll do thatnow Jul 23 13:11:05 i can't get correct mixer settings ;( Jul 23 13:11:07 but first I wanted to have ts Jul 23 13:11:14 you need alsa state files ;) Jul 23 13:11:16 kdub: the gtk image is already discontinued, but it is more useable at the moment Jul 23 13:11:18 be sure to change the module name to -gta02- Jul 23 13:11:18 from somewhere Jul 23 13:11:26 yes, but the existing ones are for gta01 Jul 23 13:11:36 ecraven: there must be alsa-state-files for gta02 too Jul 23 13:11:57 i'm actually trying to bitbake the fso right now, but i'm having problems. should i ask here, or on #oe? Jul 23 13:12:06 ecraven: change which module name? Jul 23 13:13:06 edistar: the sound module is called snd-soc-neo1973-gta02-wm8753, in step 10 in ../wiki/Debian Jul 23 13:13:22 ah, ok Jul 23 13:13:53 then you have an alsa device, but it has 30 or so controls Jul 23 13:14:01 i don't have any idea which to change how, to get actual output Jul 23 13:15:27 yeah Jul 23 13:16:17 ecraven: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/changeset?old=4149%40trunk%2Fsrc%2Ftarget%2FOM-2007.2%2Fmisc%2Falsa-state-files%2Ffic-gta02%2Fasound.state&new=4149%40trunk%2Fsrc%2Ftarget%2FOM-2007.2%2Fmisc%2Falsa-state-files%2Ffic-gta02%2Fasound.state Jul 23 13:16:33 holy crap Jul 23 13:16:46 monster link alarm! take cover! Jul 23 13:17:52 the openmoko-scenarious package contains the state files Jul 23 13:17:59 they are also in svn Jul 23 13:18:07 /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/time_to_full_now is that in seconds? Jul 23 13:18:32 :P Jul 23 13:18:50 hmmm. seems like it Jul 23 13:18:51 lowell Jul 23 13:18:59 seems like bs to me :D Jul 23 13:21:45 sooooooooo Jul 23 13:22:09 how about them chipsets... Jul 23 13:22:50 edistar: i took the one from the image, works very well Jul 23 13:22:52 great ;) Jul 23 13:23:07 ecraven: so now, does your ts work? Jul 23 13:23:07 you got it to work, ecraven? :o Jul 23 13:23:22 Dave: sound, yes Jul 23 13:23:25 * Dave summons the Chocky Jul 23 13:23:35 edistar: i'll try in a minute, it seems to work ok on matchbox, but besides compiling, i can't do much Jul 23 13:23:40 okey Jul 23 13:23:47 ecraven :P Jul 23 13:23:57 the usability currently sucks :) Jul 23 13:24:11 that will change ;) Jul 23 13:24:32 with debian everything will get better and better ;) Jul 23 13:25:45 eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeviiiiiiiiiil! Jul 23 13:25:52 edistar, hopefully! :D Jul 23 13:26:14 edistar: hope so Jul 23 13:26:21 why didn't they use debian as a base anyway? Jul 23 13:26:43 ah, libcurl pulls in openssl ;( it seems a "basic" debian install is about 1g on the neo (if you use it for developping) Jul 23 13:27:19 you can probably pull ssl support from libcurl Jul 23 13:27:25 IIRC there is a flag Jul 23 13:27:25 ecraven: well, it's debian Jul 23 13:27:33 ecraven: you have a small card built in?? Jul 23 13:27:45 -? Jul 23 13:28:13 no, i got a 4gb card Jul 23 13:28:17 ok Jul 23 13:28:34 if i knew how to crosscompile, or setup distcc for cross-compilation.. Jul 23 13:29:08 then you could help me with ts :D Jul 23 13:29:12 does the FR still use battery if it's turned off? Jul 23 13:29:41 Fossi: no Jul 23 13:29:54 i wonder why mine is almost empty Jul 23 13:30:01 where do FSO developers hang out? Jul 23 13:30:06 i though i had turned it off Jul 23 13:30:10 (as far as IRC goes) Jul 23 13:30:15 kdub: here Jul 23 13:30:46 hehe, did you try anything *but* xfce? Jul 23 13:30:50 apt-get update takes aaages too Jul 23 13:30:59 bzip2 on the neo isn't a good idea i think ;) Jul 23 13:31:18 ecraven: do you mean me? Jul 23 13:31:25 oh man! Jul 23 13:31:36 edistar: so the correct way to do fso development is to get a bitbake-d image to compile? and work on the source in the bitbake tree? Jul 23 13:31:48 yes, edistar ;) Jul 23 13:32:07 ecraven: I tried loads of things.. including sound and gsm etc Jul 23 13:32:16 ecraven: but it isn't fun with the wrong calibration Jul 23 13:32:43 host mode etc works too Jul 23 13:33:27 edistar: no, i mean did you try any other window manager? Jul 23 13:33:32 ecraven: ah, no Jul 23 13:33:38 ecraven: I tried x without xfce Jul 23 13:33:40 hmm. the default battery monitor sucks :\ Jul 23 13:33:54 Fossi: HdR wrote one Jul 23 13:34:28 edistar: can you try that? x without xfce worked fine for me Jul 23 13:34:37 i wrote a sample test program in Chicken Scheme, no problems with that at all Jul 23 13:35:06 gstreamer cant seem to open the alsa device on fso... :/ Jul 23 13:35:12 ecraven: dunno how to get the xserver to start without xfce now Jul 23 13:36:08 edistar: so? who's that? Jul 23 13:36:10 Has anyone else gotten video playback on their freerunner yet? Jul 23 13:36:20 Fossi: ping him Jul 23 13:36:21 ;) Jul 23 13:36:30 edistar: i mean, it's ok and does it's job, i would just love to have a reading in percent Jul 23 13:36:39 i'll check the source and see how it works Jul 23 13:37:18 oh man Jul 23 13:37:23 * Dave installs myst on his freerunner Jul 23 13:37:58 lol Jul 23 13:38:25 ecraven: okey, that works Jul 23 13:38:31 ecraven: only not together with xfce Jul 23 13:38:46 edistar: same here Jul 23 13:38:56 just running tangogps on debian, works perfectly Jul 23 13:38:59 no problems with clicking Jul 23 13:39:03 okey Jul 23 13:39:05 how do we hide the mouse pointer Jul 23 13:39:15 I don't want to hide it ;) Jul 23 13:40:07 i want to hide it as long as no mouse is connected ;) Jul 23 13:41:40 but I do want to know what the difference is between xfce and just x Jul 23 13:43:13 no idea Jul 23 13:43:23 but xfce is too heavy for me, i'll try to customize matchbox Jul 23 13:43:36 it might still be a bug with the libts setup Jul 23 13:43:55 xfce is really fast.. Jul 23 13:47:54 has anyone succeeded in getting the touchscreen and xrandr work together? so that the coordinates aren't wrong when i change the orientation Jul 23 13:48:32 ecraven: that's an xglamo problem Jul 23 13:48:51 ecraven: I have a hardware fix for it if you ship me your FR. Jul 23 13:49:04 (I ship back a neo1973) Jul 23 13:49:22 Nice Jul 23 13:51:05 why does debian not have a decent libts? Jul 23 13:53:23 edistar, the Xfce - Desktop Environment Jul 23 13:53:23 runs on top of Xfree86 Jul 23 13:54:17 ah, ok Jul 23 13:57:20 * SpeedEvil ponders the mde. mwm - desktop environment. Jul 23 13:57:30 An xterm. Jul 23 13:57:38 hi Jul 23 13:57:45 * xt erm Jul 23 13:57:56 xterms ftw Jul 23 13:58:31 Dave: i got video playback kind of Jul 23 13:58:38 Dave: with mplayer Jul 23 13:58:44 but i had to kill pulseaudio Jul 23 13:59:05 and re-encode it as a smaller mpeg4 Jul 23 14:00:50 xfce4 pulls in way too much .. radeontool?? Jul 23 14:01:26 trickie, kind of? Jul 23 14:01:38 To what degree was it a success? Jul 23 14:01:59 Dave: well i only re-encoded a 30 sec clip of simpsons episode Jul 23 14:02:06 i could watch it Jul 23 14:02:16 sound was very clicky/staticy Jul 23 14:02:20 but it was watchable Jul 23 14:02:42 gstreamer would never show video, but audio sounded nicer than with mplayer Jul 23 14:02:57 i'll try xine in a minute Jul 23 14:03:04 or more, depending on how fast it installs Jul 23 14:03:38 ecraven: if xfce is based on xfree.. Jul 23 14:03:47 ecraven: suggest another window manager Jul 23 14:03:59 the mplayer patches balrog-kun did for hardware acceleration for mpeg4 would be nice to try Jul 23 14:04:09 ;\ Jul 23 14:04:19 trickie, how is that watchable? :| Jul 23 14:04:28 oh Jul 23 14:04:29 hrm Jul 23 14:04:53 Dave: ? Jul 23 14:05:12 Dave: i could watch all 30 secs without frames dropping, if thats what you mean Jul 23 14:06:27 Dave: thats was from sdcard also Jul 23 14:08:50 well, my 200 mhz omap can do mpeg4 in 320x240, so the moko should as well Jul 23 14:09:02 what resolution did you take? Jul 23 14:09:30 Dave/ecraven - Check out this post, maybe the work Russell is doing will help: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/support/2008-July/000304.html Jul 23 14:09:40 edistar: everything is based on xfree/xorg Jul 23 14:09:41 to be honest i really don't know what i did, one of the first thing i tried when i got my FR, but just to see if happen :) Jul 23 14:10:02 and that sentence didn't really make sense Jul 23 14:10:33 okay :) Jul 23 14:10:37 yeah Jul 23 14:10:47 :D Jul 23 14:10:52 pretty tricky :P Jul 23 14:11:03 i used tablet-encode which is a utilty to re-encode video for optimal playback on a nokia internet tablet Jul 23 14:11:04 http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html Jul 23 14:11:28 Dave: yeah, well i have had no coffee today and am trying not do too much irc-ing at work :) Jul 23 14:11:33 not really working :) Jul 23 14:12:17 i think with tablet-encode i just used the default settings, do i don't know off the top of my head what settings it used for mencoder Jul 23 14:14:37 :D Jul 23 14:14:54 that's okay Jul 23 14:15:07 though mplayer playback with mp4 did okay? :) Jul 23 14:15:16 ecraven: it works :) Jul 23 14:15:23 Dave: yep :) Jul 23 14:16:15 edistar: what did you do? Jul 23 14:17:22 I'm trying to get the ASU build on my OM... do I want to download openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.tar.gz from the daily builds? Jul 23 14:17:30 lots of files there, just making sure that's the right one Jul 23 14:17:44 :D Jul 23 14:17:46 tried qtopia earlier Jul 23 14:17:48 ecraven: no idea anymore.. in the end I installed fluxbox and did an apt-get remove xfce4.. then I did startx -- vt1 again and it booted into xfce and works Jul 23 14:17:56 cant say i was too impressed Jul 23 14:18:01 edistar: lol ;) Jul 23 14:18:06 ecraven: exactly Jul 23 14:18:26 ;) Jul 23 14:18:28 kd8ikt! Jul 23 14:18:35 Dave! Jul 23 14:18:47 ecraven: i'll try rebooting and using the onscreen keyboard Jul 23 14:18:56 loow we're symetric Jul 23 14:19:46 :D Jul 23 14:20:05 as i was saying :P for fso Jul 23 14:20:14 and qtopia Jul 23 14:20:18 kd8, thanks for revising your weasel page :p Jul 23 14:20:28 i did? Jul 23 14:20:39 i think i'm giving up onn it Jul 23 14:20:47 hence FAIL Jul 23 14:21:03 ah, the neo really needs a reset button Jul 23 14:21:15 when lint showed me about wpa_supplicants.conf auto entry Jul 23 14:21:31 ecraven: press power for ages and it'll reboot Jul 23 14:22:05 i need someone to remove those pages i F-d up now its just a reminder of my failed bastard child Jul 23 14:22:22 grrr. doesn't work anymore.. Jul 23 14:22:51 why is suspend/resume haing so much trouble? Jul 23 14:23:03 30 seconds, no reboot Jul 23 14:23:08 aww Jul 23 14:23:13 i'd think it would be trivial to implement Jul 23 14:23:18 kd8ikt: :) Jul 23 14:23:28 Well I liked your intention anyway :) Jul 23 14:23:33 not to mention the cute name :] Jul 23 14:23:41 ecraven: sounds wrong Jul 23 14:24:13 lint showed me howfar he is on his python/gtk wireless app Jul 23 14:24:31 its pretty snazzy Jul 23 14:24:38 i like it Jul 23 14:25:00 i wish i could code in python so i could attack it while he's sleeping Jul 23 14:25:34 edistar: python ;) Jul 23 14:25:49 ecraven: heh Jul 23 14:26:08 kdub: blank them, an add the template candidates for speedy deletion Jul 23 14:27:47 ? Jul 23 14:29:48 Hi scp prjname user@192.168.1.117 is not working any Idea ? Jul 23 14:30:03 edistar: playing around with tangogps under xfce, it seems to work Jul 23 14:30:10 user@host:./ Jul 23 14:30:10 ecraven: cool Jul 23 14:30:21 needs a filesystem path :./ Jul 23 14:30:22 ecraven: I just wonder why gdm doesn't like the ts Jul 23 14:30:28 or :/wherever Jul 23 14:31:23 i don't use gdm Jul 23 14:31:29 i see no reason for a login manager on my phone ;) Jul 23 14:31:43 hm.. interesting Jul 23 14:31:52 tichy totally and utterly kills my FR Jul 23 14:32:25 FAIL Jul 23 14:41:19 kd8ikt: filesystem path ok Jul 23 14:41:22 I will try Jul 23 14:49:21 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r5aed0d9b6f6a 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [srcrev] Upgrade app-restarter and fix the PV also bump PE Jul 23 14:52:27 :P Jul 23 14:56:37 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r870c5f6f96ac 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [app-restarter] Add the little helper utility to the OpenEmbedded/Openmoko metadata Jul 23 14:56:38 why is screen unbelieveably slow to start on the moko Jul 23 14:56:39 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4d2602e5fb42 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [srcrev] Upgrade app-restarter and fix the PV also bump PE Jul 23 14:56:40 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r48d27c90a9b2 10/packages/qtopia-phone/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [qtopia] Use the app-restarter in case the Qtopia process exits Jul 23 14:56:41 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r553a46a6a520 10/packages/iotop/iotop_0.2.1.bb: [iotop] Actually remove the site.py and site.pyo from the package Jul 23 14:56:42 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r0cd35fdca249 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up the reversion of assassin to 204 Jul 23 14:58:31 kd8ikt: delete /etc/termcap Jul 23 15:01:38 Just what are you deleting now? :P Jul 23 15:02:27 damn. i removed the gps connector and went outside, but still no fix. not even GTM Jul 23 15:03:07 cat /dev/ttySAC1 |grep GPGGA only gives $GPGGA,,,,,,0,00,99.99,,,,,,*48 about every second Jul 23 15:03:24 to me it looks like the upper pin is not even soldered on at all Jul 23 15:03:30 t-minus 6 hours till FR fun Jul 23 15:04:03 who am i supposed to talk about this? :\ Jul 23 15:04:44 i'm surely not gonna try to solder it on and void my guarantee :\ Jul 23 15:04:56 Fossi: where did you get your FR? Jul 23 15:05:08 this is without an sd card in of course Jul 23 15:05:12 SpeedEvil < - resident hardware god. Jul 23 15:05:42 a local reseller who ordered a 10 pack Jul 23 15:06:08 one of my colleagues' fr has the same problems Jul 23 15:06:13 Fossi: I guess you'll have to email OM then and see who is doing repairs Jul 23 15:06:14 the other two work Jul 23 15:06:52 Fossi - Post a mail in the support list, and they should tell you how to get a resolution. (ie return it, or who can sort it out for you) Jul 23 15:07:11 Fossi - https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support Jul 23 15:08:05 If you are in Toronto Canada, I will fix it for you. Jul 23 15:08:06 i'll try that Jul 23 15:08:19 not quite, i'm from hamburg, germany ;) Jul 23 15:08:32 Well, that is a bit of a hike ;) Jul 23 15:09:22 I think the .de official reseller is doing repairs, but not exactly clear on that Jul 23 15:10:11 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r5e20927a5899 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get some predictive keyboard changes (input symbol keys, show/hide it) Jul 23 15:11:09 did you see that there are 850's at the webshop? Jul 23 15:11:09 all. Jul 23 15:11:15 * sparrow gets his arduino talking to his fr via usb Jul 23 15:11:16 15... Jul 23 15:11:44 och. Jul 23 15:11:46 there are. Jul 23 15:12:03 heh Jul 23 15:12:07 won't last. Jul 23 15:12:19 curious how many there are sold Jul 23 15:13:23 I am wondering when they will start to sell the 900's on the web store Jul 23 15:13:48 the 900s were scheduled to arrive on the 25th Jul 23 15:14:02 Oooooo =) Jul 23 15:14:26 anyone know if this new batch of 850s have the capacitor installed? Jul 23 15:14:52 maybe not, but there's a software fix Jul 23 15:15:22 Chox - Do you know what kernel the software fix is in? Jul 23 15:15:42 no idea, but opkg update brought it in for me in the last few days Jul 23 15:16:08 * Chox was travelling 105km/h on the train :o Jul 23 15:16:44 Are you using the default distro, just updated with opkg? Jul 23 15:17:02 some GTK snapshot that I updated. Jul 23 15:22:56 Shouldn't I get any output using cat /dev/input/event2? I'd like to experiment with the accelerometers the FR has. Jul 23 15:23:59 Does anyone know if a wifi access point browser / UI for entering keys is scheduled to end up in the base nightlies anytime soon? Jul 23 15:24:34 openmoko: 03zecke * r034b20413417 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [gsm] Do not handle ATA/AT+CHLD=2 failures as missed calls Jul 23 15:26:30 Hobart: one is being made, looks nearly ready Jul 23 15:26:37 'k Jul 23 15:26:48 is there currently any way to set ring preferences in the nightly build? Jul 23 15:26:53 heh Jul 23 15:26:53 Chox -> thanks Jul 23 15:26:54 no Jul 23 15:27:03 allrightythen Jul 23 15:30:55 chox, lawl, weak. Jul 23 15:31:11 whysoweak? Jul 23 15:31:27 D! Jul 23 15:33:06 i just talked to the german seller we got the 10pack from and they said i can just send it in Jul 23 15:33:10 great service :) Jul 23 15:33:48 btw. good news. Jul 23 15:33:54 i'm getting the freerunner tomorrow. Jul 23 15:33:58 Fossi - Great news =) Jul 23 15:34:23 and probably everybody else who ordered from Ida. :-) \o/ Jul 23 15:34:33 it was a bit longer, but they did it :p Jul 23 15:35:25 GUILT Jul 23 15:35:33 Dave! Jul 23 15:35:37 YES Jul 23 15:36:11 CPSLK Jul 23 15:36:27 Dave: yes! how is it going Jul 23 15:38:12 Crappy Jul 23 15:38:21 Freerunner can be so difficult ~_~ Jul 23 15:38:30 and I have to cross-compile modules for the freerunner today -_-; Jul 23 15:38:33 What a pain! Jul 23 15:39:11 hah! Jul 23 15:39:14 what pain. Jul 23 15:40:58 * Dave stabs Chox Jul 23 15:41:01 THAT PAIN! Jul 23 15:41:02 :P Jul 23 15:41:30 * Chox dies a death Jul 23 15:41:31 Where would I look for the docs on configuring the ring/action sounds? Jul 23 15:41:36 and bleeds all over dave Jul 23 15:42:07 Dave: you are cross compiling for freerunner? I am also attempting to do the same. Are you having any luck? Jul 23 15:43:42 if you are compiling kernel modules, I might need to ask you some questions ;) Jul 23 15:44:11 troy, I've done it before without any probelsm Jul 23 15:44:17 you can also just compile ON the freerunner, itself. Jul 23 15:44:23 though it takes much longer Jul 23 15:44:36 yeah I am going to try to compile kernel modules today~_~ Jul 23 15:44:44 since there is no support for usb wifi or usb camera Jul 23 15:44:46 :| Jul 23 15:44:47 so hard! Jul 23 15:45:03 even though they are natively supported in 2.6.24 Jul 23 15:46:11 tell me what you think might be the problem with the following steps I took to compile a kernel: Jul 23 15:46:17 git clone git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git linux-2.6 Jul 23 15:46:23 cd linux-2.6 Jul 23 15:46:29 git checkout origin/stable Jul 23 15:46:34 heh Jul 23 15:46:36 cp defconfig-gta02 .config Jul 23 15:46:42 ./build Jul 23 15:46:54 ./fail Jul 23 15:46:58 lol Jul 23 15:46:59 yes Jul 23 15:47:01 indeed Jul 23 15:47:01 :D Jul 23 15:47:11 do you know where my mistake is? Jul 23 15:47:20 :o Jul 23 15:48:58 make menuconfig ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=..../arm-unknown-elf- Jul 23 15:49:08 or summink. Jul 23 15:50:07 gah Jul 23 15:50:59 oh man i'm beat Jul 23 15:51:29 haha, damn right Jul 23 15:51:49 across the room I thought that read, you were a boat... Jul 23 15:52:07 i need to make a firmware backup Jul 23 15:52:17 i put to much love into my setup Jul 23 15:52:23 its got to be just right Jul 23 15:52:30 I wuv it! Jul 23 15:52:46 :D Jul 23 15:52:50 Can you hit it? Jul 23 15:56:03 hello,does anyone knows well open embedded? Jul 23 15:59:48 boot it baby! Jul 23 16:01:11 Gnutoo: you can check http://www.openembedded.org/ Jul 23 16:03:00 khorben, it's because i made a bb file with inherit scons inside and it doesn't find libsdl Jul 23 16:05:56 if I want to install ASU on my SD, what type of partitions should i have? Jul 23 16:06:27 is it the same as om2007.2? Jul 23 16:06:59 question of the hour. Jul 23 16:07:02 haha Jul 23 16:07:14 FreoNeo, that might be a good idea. Jul 23 16:07:16 ;p Jul 23 16:08:38 have a lot of people been asking that/ Jul 23 16:08:56 now i'm going to find out what breaks/works in the next couple of days Jul 23 16:08:57 :-/ Jul 23 16:09:07 that's okay as long as i don't have to solder anything Jul 23 16:09:24 some people have problems with their GPS thingies Jul 23 16:10:12 antennas? Jul 23 16:10:13 :p Jul 23 16:11:20 mooh. Jul 23 16:11:59 Dave: no. inside the board. :-) Jul 23 16:12:23 yeah. probably those antennas are internal Jul 23 16:12:27 not sure what's wrong Jul 23 16:12:51 yeah, right. the antennas Jul 23 16:12:57 Yes Jul 23 16:12:57 Dave: what's the probability like? Jul 23 16:13:01 It's well documented. Jul 23 16:13:05 Check it out. Jul 23 16:13:11 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_GPS_antenna_repair_SOP Jul 23 16:13:19 yeah. saw that. it voids the warranty too ;p Jul 23 16:14:02 FreoNeo: If you are using the most recent u-boot and kernel then you should be able to SD-boot from a single partition of either ext2 or ext3 Jul 23 16:14:04 is there some way that we can send in the fr back to the manufacturer, and they can do that repair? Jul 23 16:14:13 i guess i have that problem, but naturally i'm gonna send it in Jul 23 16:14:43 * Chox suggests trying the latest kernel before worrying about hardware fixes Jul 23 16:14:47 i don't want to meddle with that stuff if its going to void my warranty Jul 23 16:14:49 at least (one of) the german resellers said they'll fix it themselves or send me a new one Jul 23 16:15:19 Chox: well, if there's no sd card in the phone, the new kernel prolly won't do any good Jul 23 16:15:27 er. Jul 23 16:15:36 * Chox follows not your logic. Jul 23 16:16:18 i thought it contains the sd card clocking fix Jul 23 16:16:37 hello everyone, I have a few useability questions concerning the freerunner. I'm thinking about buying the freerunner but I still don't know if it's worth the price. On the one hand it looks VERY promissing and it has really cool features but on the other hand I don't know what it's capable of right know, how stable it is and how the development is comming Jul 23 16:16:41 yes, but I fail to see your point Jul 23 16:16:53 for me, with the SD card in and the new kernel, it seems ok Jul 23 16:16:53 linuksamiko: if you're not planning to hack on it, don't bother Jul 23 16:17:12 Does anyone know glib, and preferably dbus-glib as well? Jul 23 16:17:19 linuksamiko: It has a lot of promise. But it's 99% promise, software wise, right now. Jul 23 16:17:25 it's a library, about yay tall. Jul 23 16:17:31 mmontour, so I just stick the rootfs and uImage.bin in one partition? Jul 23 16:17:32 dlowe: are you more talking about hacking == programming or hacking == console hacking Jul 23 16:17:36 I'm sure all gui calls must happen in the glib thread (button handling, etc) Jul 23 16:17:37 Chox: my gps doesn't work, even without the sd card Jul 23 16:17:45 linuksamiko: a bit of both at the moment Jul 23 16:17:47 Dave: ? Jul 23 16:17:50 hacking == hollywood Jul 23 16:17:50 linuksamiko: programming, mostly; the software is far from finished Jul 23 16:17:55 And I imagine you're expected to display, pack, etc. in glib thread Jul 23 16:17:57 Yes, then edit the menu item in u-boot to match your configuration Jul 23 16:18:04 what is the antenna loose probability like? Jul 23 16:18:15 What what? Jul 23 16:18:16 Does all dbus message handling happen in the glib thread when using dbus-glib? Jul 23 16:18:22 loss probability? Jul 23 16:18:26 no Jul 23 16:18:28 the loose Jul 23 16:18:31 Guilt: that's the only reported problem that would cause no signal even with no SD card Jul 23 16:18:35 hello, should "opkg upgrade" keep upgrading the same packages if I run it multiple times??? Jul 23 16:18:41 Guilt: you might try simply reseating the GPS connector. Jul 23 16:18:45 your ? key is stick Jul 23 16:18:48 SpeedEvil: without soldering? Jul 23 16:18:50 er, stuck Jul 23 16:18:52 dlowe: Console is not such a big deal but I don't want to program on it, I want to use it (there are some features I'm really looking forward to) Jul 23 16:18:54 Guilt: yes Jul 23 16:19:04 linuksamiko: I'm afraid you'll have to wait then Jul 23 16:19:07 upgradr dropbear first Jul 23 16:19:07 Guilt: not very likely to help, but easy to do. Jul 23 16:19:12 so i just open it, tweeze and seat it. right? Jul 23 16:19:25 Guilt: yes - though check it's malformed first Jul 23 16:19:38 you mean if it's wider than usual? Jul 23 16:19:42 dlowe: what time span are you talking about (I don't want to wait another year) Jul 23 16:19:56 like it doesnt seat the antenna properly Jul 23 16:19:59 Guilt: I mean only if it's bent wrongly alter it Jul 23 16:20:04 is there any charget available for a car? Jul 23 16:20:06 linuksamiko: I wish I knew Jul 23 16:20:11 SpeedEvil: which part? Jul 23 16:20:12 Pjj: no Jul 23 16:20:22 Hello, should "opkg upgrade" keep upgrading the same packages if I run it multiple times? It makes me think that the packages are not actually being installed... Jul 23 16:20:25 Guilt: the inener bits of the GPS antenna connector - as observed on the wiki Jul 23 16:20:34 oh Jul 23 16:20:35 Guilt: why do you even discuss this if you don't have a phone yet? :D Jul 23 16:20:37 Pjj: any 'car charger' will work Jul 23 16:20:56 dejones: keep up. Jul 23 16:20:58 ok Jul 23 16:21:02 install dropbear first Jul 23 16:21:07 Guilt: most phones seem to have reasonable to OK performance with the fixes. Jul 23 16:21:11 opkg install dropbear & Jul 23 16:21:35 Chox: You didn't put my nick last time, so how am I supposed to know you are responding to me? Jul 23 16:21:37 SpeedEvil: but none of them work OK out of the box? Jul 23 16:21:53 aw. Jul 23 16:21:53 Chox: I'll try upgrading dropbear first. Jul 23 16:21:54 :p Jul 23 16:22:02 SpeedEvil: i heard you are the guy to talk to about hardware problems. can i pm you with a question? Jul 23 16:22:05 Guilt: with the software fix, they should. Jul 23 16:22:22 You can, but I don't know if I can help. Jul 23 16:22:30 hm? how can software fix a non-connected pair of circuits Jul 23 16:22:47 Chox: should "opkg upgrade" respond that all packages are up to date if I run it again? Jul 23 16:22:49 Guilt: the antenna problem is not in fact the cause in most cases. Jul 23 16:22:55 SpeedEvil: hmm? Jul 23 16:24:46 SpeedEvil: but it's a problem, isn't it? Jul 23 16:25:02 i mean. with the software fix and antenna fix, things should work 'great' ;) Jul 23 16:25:03 For what now seems to be a very small number of people. Jul 23 16:25:42 SpeedEvil: i'm asking only one question though. if a hunred people bought a phone, how many people would have FRs with faulty antennas Jul 23 16:25:54 843. Jul 23 16:26:06 all of them, if they were all faulty. Jul 23 16:26:14 LOL @ SpeedEvil Jul 23 16:26:40 Chox: eh? Jul 23 16:26:46 it's FIC's fault. Jul 23 16:26:48 :-p Jul 23 16:26:54 whoosh! Jul 23 16:27:07 * kd8ikt 's antenna works just fine Jul 23 16:27:13 * Guilt screams 'get them!' Jul 23 16:27:22 kd8ikt: without any sort of adjustment? Jul 23 16:27:36 yup Jul 23 16:28:04 did you have to fix the software? Jul 23 16:28:06 any user friendly(gui) apps that allow connection to encrypted wifi yet? Jul 23 16:28:16 man. this is just a dumb thing. Jul 23 16:28:20 wpa_supplicant Jul 23 16:28:24 I can't even connect to WPA wifi on the command line :/ Jul 23 16:28:37 peepsalot: hey. Jul 23 16:28:37 heh then you my friend suck Jul 23 16:28:44 wpa_supplicant has a GUI? Jul 23 16:29:07 i thought u simply had to put keys in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf or so Jul 23 16:29:20 but true. a GUI is much easier. :-) Jul 23 16:29:29 probably we should also have a OpenVPN/vpnc GUI Jul 23 16:29:39 kd8ikt: got thrown out of summer school again? Jul 23 16:29:39 that helps connect to office Jul 23 16:29:45 if you set it up before hand / useing scripts you'd not need to ever fuck with it Jul 23 16:29:58 kd8ikt: that's not it. Jul 23 16:30:13 if i wanted to connect to a new network with WPA i shouldnt require SSHing/whatever Jul 23 16:30:23 ;p Jul 23 16:30:32 what part of developer phone do people not understand here Jul 23 16:30:38 yes it is, if you cant even do a few things over ssh then what good are you to the community except a leech Jul 23 16:30:39 you know. if you wanted to use it as a phone Jul 23 16:30:56 dlowe: but why cant developers just keep a big ugly bawx then? :-) Jul 23 16:31:03 i mean. it can be functional AND beautiful Jul 23 16:31:19 kd8ikt, so if i go to a friends place, and he says oh the password is xxxx, just connect to the wifi. then I say, hold on, let me hook up this usb cable first, ssh into my phone, so i can edit some config files etc. then I can use your stupid wifi? Jul 23 16:31:34 kd8ikt: why cant a simple pyGTK application make these WPA keys possible? Jul 23 16:31:45 Guilt: yes, if you go ahead and write it Jul 23 16:31:46 peepsalot: exactly my point. Jul 23 16:31:49 get a windows mobile phone if you dont like it Jul 23 16:32:05 shit kd8ikt: that's a wrong attitude Jul 23 16:32:15 it should be simple and no simpler :-) Jul 23 16:32:20 * Chox readies a does of stfu. Jul 23 16:32:24 i'm not asking for everything. Jul 23 16:32:26 thats abvoiusly what your looking for Jul 23 16:32:33 it's like asking for GPS coordinates in numbers Jul 23 16:32:42 I think people are tired of hearing how it "should" do this and "why doesn't it do that" without making it do it themselves Jul 23 16:32:48 like 75N08'12'' Jul 23 16:32:58 hey watch this your gonna love it Jul 23 16:33:02 you're Jul 23 16:33:13 that's not even right. nobody can make sense from a couple of coords :-) Jul 23 16:33:20 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ Jul 23 16:33:23 ok Jul 23 16:33:33 now wait for it Jul 23 16:33:33 if you thought a dev phone was supposed to simply spit out hex digits at you, you're mistaken, my friend ;) Jul 23 16:33:51 are you at that site? Jul 23 16:34:02 yah. opening Jul 23 16:35:08 ok now refresh Jul 23 16:35:56 kd8ikt: i don't get it Jul 23 16:35:59 sigh Jul 23 16:36:03 what is it you want me to check? Jul 23 16:36:19 it's probably in german and i won't get it Jul 23 16:36:53 someone needs to give troll boy a kick. Jul 23 16:37:20 who kd8ikt? Jul 23 16:37:33 are you sure refreh it again Jul 23 16:37:56 kd8ikt: what exactly do you want me to look at? Jul 23 16:37:57 if not wait a tick Jul 23 16:38:15 look. my connection sucks. i'm not going to reload a whole bunch of images again Jul 23 16:38:48 Guilt: class A asshole, you are. Jul 23 16:39:04 Chox: now why would you say that? Jul 23 16:39:09 heh. Jul 23 16:39:13 ok refresh Jul 23 16:39:13 should be obvious at this point. Jul 23 16:39:14 @kd8ikt: oh. btw. do you know sudarsh? :-) Jul 23 16:39:24 Chox: no, not really. you don't even make sense. Jul 23 16:39:29 i guess that's his impression Jul 23 16:39:45 You've done nothing but bitch since joining the channel. Jul 23 16:40:00 rfefresh again Jul 23 16:40:03 That you don't understand why doesn't make it any less true. Jul 23 16:40:16 Okay. what have you done anyway? bitch about me bitching? ;p Jul 23 16:40:36 kd8ikt: look. i know about openmoko. I was talking to peepsalot about wpa Jul 23 16:40:37 ;p Jul 23 16:40:50 Any reports on how many Freerunners were sold? Jul 23 16:41:13 did you refresh it? there should be like 3 pics i sent Jul 23 16:41:33 dejones: you can guess from the order numbers. somewhere in the 5-10k range, I'd say. Jul 23 16:41:41 Nice Jul 23 16:41:42 :) Jul 23 16:41:43 more like 5K Jul 23 16:41:50 openmoko: 03tick * r4553 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/user.c: Jul 23 16:41:50 openmoko: opkg: Fix a bug that ap may undefined. Jul 23 16:41:50 openmoko: by Alexandros Kostopoulos Jul 23 16:41:56 assuming they started at zero Jul 23 16:41:59 depends how you many guess were shipped to India and Europe Jul 23 16:42:08 kdub: don't think they did. Jul 23 16:42:14 is there a brainfuck compiler for OM ? Jul 23 16:42:16 :-p Jul 23 16:43:00 is there a brainfuck compiler? Jul 23 16:43:07 CVirus: if you want an interpreter, check http://guilt.bafsoft.net/downloads/wip/Brainfuck/ Jul 23 16:43:08 is there a brainfuck programm? Jul 23 16:43:13 kd8ikt, what package is that? Jul 23 16:43:28 Fossi: ^^ i've got a x86 specific compiler, unfortunately. :( Jul 23 16:43:39 its not in a package Jul 23 16:43:49 and its also not finished yet Jul 23 16:43:55 :P Jul 23 16:44:03 kd8ikt, you developing it? Jul 23 16:44:08 no Jul 23 16:44:40 where did it come from then? Jul 23 16:44:43 well i have the source so i guess i could but i was told not to release it cause its not functional... yet Jul 23 16:45:03 patience Jul 23 16:45:16 i see Jul 23 16:45:17 release early, often :o Jul 23 16:45:28 its just a lil front end to wpa_supplicant Jul 23 16:46:32 http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/wifi/ Jul 23 16:48:40 kd8ikt: are those your screenshots? Jul 23 16:48:53 ... what provides the keyboard icon in the top bar? Jul 23 16:49:32 no Jul 23 16:49:53 oh well Jul 23 16:50:08 probably an external keyboard? Jul 23 16:50:21 dunno why anyone would use such a thing Jul 23 16:50:32 * retracile does Jul 23 16:50:33 i can probably make one for Arm. :-) if anyone's interested Jul 23 16:50:36 ssh & export DISPLAY=:0.0 Jul 23 16:50:54 kd8ikt: you'll be better trying to run the bf program interpreted than compiled Jul 23 16:51:04 bf? Jul 23 16:51:20 i meant CVirus Jul 23 16:51:23 kd8ikt: Yes. Jul 23 16:51:41 kd8ikt: Brainfuck Jul 23 16:51:46 that code is portable C. so it should work. Jul 23 16:51:46 * kd8ikt would opt for compiled anyday Jul 23 16:51:57 heh, "portable C". Jul 23 16:52:00 no such thing. Jul 23 16:52:10 Chox: standard C is portable. Jul 23 16:52:20 well. you bitch a bit yourself ;p Jul 23 16:52:27 kd8kit: brainfuck programs arent usually optimized much, Jul 23 16:52:32 So you might think. It's not true, however. Jul 23 16:52:34 probably LLVM does that though. Jul 23 16:52:36 but non compiled programming is quicker to make/debug/mod Jul 23 16:52:41 Chox: go f yourself Jul 23 16:52:45 I will. Jul 23 16:52:49 cool. Jul 23 16:52:50 but I'm still right Jul 23 16:52:53 cool. Jul 23 16:53:24 kd8ikt: think about how it would be to debug brainfuck programs with gdb? Jul 23 16:53:32 C doesn't define structure packing well, nor whether chars are signed or unsigned by default. Both those differ between x86 and ARM. portable? No. Jul 23 16:53:49 probably like: line 8: ++++[[>+<] blah Jul 23 16:54:10 i dont think gdb allows more than that in stabs, i may be wrong Jul 23 16:54:42 Chox: char are 8 bits everywhere. Jul 23 16:54:51 no, they aren't. But that isn't what I said. Jul 23 16:55:01 and an array of chars is contiguous, and if you're not using structs you don't need to bother. Jul 23 16:55:08 oh dear, you don't know diddly. Jul 23 16:55:19 * Chox dances on your ignorance. Jul 23 16:55:21 and read the C99 standard. if you own a copy. :-) Jul 23 16:55:45 ah, we're C99 now, not "portable C". C99 is better, but those things still apply. Jul 23 16:56:01 read C89 then :-) Jul 23 16:56:04 who the fuck would write in such a shity language? Jul 23 16:56:07 no thanks :o Jul 23 16:56:15 kd8ikt: suckers like me. Jul 23 16:56:35 spend most of yout time typing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jul 23 16:56:41 oh that. not me. Jul 23 16:56:51 like lisp, but worse Jul 23 16:57:08 that wifi script is in python Jul 23 16:57:11 +gtk Jul 23 16:57:15 * Chox pats. Jul 23 16:57:15 * nuclear_eclipse likes Python Jul 23 16:57:24 nasa uses it! Jul 23 16:57:27 * Chox doesn't speak Python, for shame Jul 23 16:58:37 they use linux on the machines in there super computer cluster named "columbia"http://www.nas.nasa.gov/About/Projects/Columbia/columbia.html Jul 23 16:58:45 their* Jul 23 16:59:08 most supercomputers would run linux, I'd assume Jul 23 16:59:32 python is a pretty cool language from what i've seen, i'm not even close to being fluent in it though. haven't taken the time to really learn it yet Jul 23 16:59:51 * Chox agrees that C is shitty language sometimes, howeve.r Jul 23 17:00:02 kelvie_work: well, most run some form of Unix Jul 23 17:00:31 often Linux, but I suspect it's not the majority Jul 23 17:00:41 i bet its self aware Jul 23 17:00:54 like wall-e Jul 23 17:01:23 python doesn't take that much time to learn Jul 23 17:01:29 as should most languages if you're familiar with a couple Jul 23 17:01:35 wall-e is a great drinking game movie, just drink whenever you hear the name wall-e Jul 23 17:01:36 but perl takes forever to read. Jul 23 17:01:38 but python has a lower curve Jul 23 17:02:33 yeah i just haven't had any really good ideas of python programs to write or hack on, as practice Jul 23 17:02:52 actually i had one idea, but i think it was too ambitious, so i got discouraged Jul 23 17:03:19 anyone able to point me at something on wiki on how to build a .ipk with pre-compiled binaries/fakeroot? Jul 23 17:03:23 my work project is all written in bash; was originally Python. I pressed for it to be changed due to size concerns on our embedded devices. That may or may not have been a good idea. Jul 23 17:03:29 have you played with the leds.py ? http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/leds.py Jul 23 17:03:43 i had no idea my power button had those colors Jul 23 17:03:45 awk is good for that. Jul 23 17:03:49 Nice and small. Jul 23 17:03:54 Reasonably powerful. Jul 23 17:04:45 well. if anybody is talking about speed, compiled brainfuck faster than interpreted brainfuck faster than interpreted (perl/blah) interpreted brainfuck Jul 23 17:04:49 orange blue purple Jul 23 17:05:22 yeah but you wont catch my ass coding in that crazy lang Jul 23 17:05:39 just peeping at the wiki page i cringed Jul 23 17:06:05 i kinda wanted to just sign in and delete that page Jul 23 17:06:23 heh Jul 23 17:06:40 I'm having trouble changing my u-boot environment. Is this normal? GTA02v5 # saveenv Saving Environment to NAND... Erasing Nand...GTA02v5 # (back to the prompt) Jul 23 17:06:56 we need a kick bot in here for anyone who mentions iphone and most recently brainfart Jul 23 17:06:56 Now newline after erasing nand Jul 23 17:07:08 iphonefart. Jul 23 17:07:45 you "nand erase"'d? Jul 23 17:07:47 kd8ikt: you don't need to. the interpreter is already written in C for you. Jul 23 17:08:00 you probably need to only compile it with the cross compiler, put it and run it Jul 23 17:08:09 oh shit that doesnt sound good you like... need nand u-boot Jul 23 17:08:37 sell it elsewhere Guilt i dont care for it like i said Jul 23 17:08:57 i was initially talking to CVirus Jul 23 17:09:04 and then people came in Jul 23 17:09:09 No, kd8ikt, I did'nt do nand erase.. I did saveenv Jul 23 17:09:12 And that's the output I got. Jul 23 17:09:17 Was I supposed to do nand erase? Jul 23 17:09:22 NO Jul 23 17:09:45 nand erase kernel or nand erase rootfs but never nand erase Jul 23 17:10:03 kd8bit: Relax, I wasn't going to take your word for it even if you said so :p Jul 23 17:10:08 btw. if anyone wants to run LostKng.b, go ahead. Jul 23 17:10:23 but yeah no error codes/output is ussually a good thing and means it worked whatever you did Jul 23 17:10:48 kd8ikt: Well it doesn't seem to actually save :/ And there's a disturbing lack of a newline after 'erasing nand' Jul 23 17:10:54 http://jonripley.com/i-fiction/games/LostKingdomBF.html Jul 23 17:11:02 I reboot and my new entry is gone. Jul 23 17:11:06 it's a nice game if anybody likes adventure games :-) Jul 23 17:11:11 text adventure ;) Jul 23 17:11:12 you erased nand!?!?! Jul 23 17:11:16 OMFG Jul 23 17:11:27 hope you dont fuckup nor aswell Jul 23 17:11:37 Jesus. Jul 23 17:11:37 you can't. Jul 23 17:11:40 ROFL Jul 23 17:11:43 Not without the debug board. Jul 23 17:11:53 whew Jul 23 17:12:05 good thinking FIC Jul 23 17:12:50 though that is weird i'm sure they arent really the 1st international computer company Jul 23 17:13:06 ;) Jul 23 17:13:07 Okay perhaps I should clarify a bit. setenv x=y; savenev; loadenv <-- This erases x=y Jul 23 17:13:09 Goes back to default Jul 23 17:13:18 I can't seem to do anything to get it to save the environment. Jul 23 17:13:24 GoldenHawk: savenev? Jul 23 17:13:27 check spelling Jul 23 17:13:37 Typo on IRC only Jul 23 17:13:40 heh Jul 23 17:13:40 ok Jul 23 17:14:34 ! Strange. Jul 23 17:14:39 Now it just started working all of the sudden. Jul 23 17:14:54 Wow, what perfect grammar you have. Jul 23 17:14:55 Same session and everything. Jul 23 17:15:21 That's a sentance fragment, kd8ikt Jul 23 17:15:42 Hm or not :p Jul 23 17:15:47 Anyway, thanks for all the help :p Jul 23 17:16:07 ... Jul 23 17:16:17 most interesting Jul 23 17:24:12 any of you familiar with phone-kit problems? Jul 23 17:45:22 w00t more phones! Jul 23 17:45:56 where? Jul 23 17:46:04 hmm I wonder if Koolu has any left Jul 23 17:46:25 beware its unstable, meaning if bombarded with high speed electrons it could cause a "nucular" explosion, or chernobyl effect Jul 23 17:46:42 but if I get an FR.. my other open source project will get neglected :( Jul 23 17:46:49 or cause you to not be able to father normal children Jul 23 17:47:13 normal childer are boring Jul 23 17:47:13 what other project kelvie_work Jul 23 17:47:58 http://basket.kde.org/ Jul 23 17:49:03 and dont you think your efforts would be better placed on helping shape the future of cellular/embeded computer phones/device with the first company to gamble on a company using the opensource model? Jul 23 17:49:32 er i said company too many times Jul 23 17:49:48 but you get the jist Jul 23 17:50:03 hehe.. right now that project has a bus factor of 1 or 2 :p Jul 23 17:50:10 so I'm not abandoning it for anything Jul 23 17:53:16 bus factor? spill your guts already wtf is it Jul 23 17:54:08 kd8ikt: google it Jul 23 17:54:10 kd8ikt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor Jul 23 17:54:20 always wikipedia first, then google :p Jul 23 17:54:31 kd8ikt: bus factor: number of people who have to get hit by a bus for a project to die Jul 23 17:54:59 heh Jul 23 17:55:19 but whats the project Jul 23 17:55:52 http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=EBRJx-4Qjw4 Jul 23 17:56:20 heh Jul 23 17:57:32 wow, so if you shake the phone around and upside down, the clock changes to 21:61 !? Jul 23 17:57:42 :-P Jul 23 17:58:02 * retracile hopes that's 15 minutes past 7... Jul 23 17:58:24 er... 12 minutes I mean. Jul 23 17:59:09 does anyone know how's gta03 coming along? Jul 23 17:59:19 ernsta, what's the point of that vid? Jul 23 18:00:23 heh thats a toilet sound isnt it Jul 23 18:01:59 oh, i didn't have my sound on, lol Jul 23 18:03:19 Germany Jul 23 18:03:37 igor321: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=GTA03&go=Go Jul 23 18:03:41 yes toilette Jul 23 18:04:40 Eau de Toilette Jul 23 18:04:52 Eau de Moko Jul 23 18:05:12 Makes you fresh in your Mind ;) Jul 23 18:05:17 what? i'm gonna put some smelly stuff on my face that has toilet in the name/definition? Jul 23 18:05:20 igor321, yeaah don't wait up for gta03 Jul 23 18:05:24 a Handy without shit Jul 23 18:05:47 yeah /me isnt suprised if it takes 2-3 yrs Jul 23 18:05:54 mjr: i waiting for 02, just curious about gta03 Jul 23 18:05:58 kd8ikt, well that's a bit pessimistic though Jul 23 18:05:59 *i'm Jul 23 18:06:13 I'm pretty confident about it coming out during next year Jul 23 18:06:17 it just a different case, camera & modem Jul 23 18:06:18 even if it came out like next year there will be newer tech and people will be crying for it Jul 23 18:06:28 it'll be available by christmas Jul 23 18:06:38 because of what igor321 said, it's not _that_ different Jul 23 18:06:41 igor321: *might* be Jul 23 18:07:36 it's only the community members themselves that have painted a due date of december; there hasn't been any official confirmation on any planned target date at all Jul 23 18:07:37 i've heard some positive reports of it being not ugly Jul 23 18:08:21 well joerg said they're not gonna fuck around with this one, there will not be as many hw revisions Jul 23 18:08:23 igor321: camera? Got a link handy? Jul 23 18:08:42 retractile: it's been said on the ML & here, no link sorry Jul 23 18:09:25 igor321: that still doesn't mean anything; they also want to rip out the glamo for gta03, and you can't honestly tell me they'll get all that done, tested, and produced in only 4 monthes... Jul 23 18:09:44 whole different case? Jul 23 18:10:05 nuclear_eclipse: it is possible... :) Jul 23 18:10:14 peepsalot: yeah Jul 23 18:10:30 * nuclear_eclipse thinks igor321 has been drinking too much koolaid... :P Jul 23 18:10:48 not to mention the software need to mature Jul 23 18:11:16 well as soon as the peeps get their gta03's i think the software will mature pretty fast Jul 23 18:11:25 gta02's, sorry Jul 23 18:11:48 they pretty much all have them by now, don't they Jul 23 18:12:27 well i don't Jul 23 18:12:35 and i ordered like three weeks ago Jul 23 18:12:45 i think there are others like me, no? Jul 23 18:12:55 dang Jul 23 18:13:08 igor321: I think the large majority of people who ordered got theirs in the first wave of shipments Jul 23 18:13:19 did you order from openmoko online store? and did you get a confirmation email? Jul 23 18:13:27 i ordered from pulser Jul 23 18:13:33 and got the automatic thing Jul 23 18:13:35 i had to order mine twice because of the weird cc denial Jul 23 18:13:57 i'm glad i got ahold of a local group sale and they only needed one more person not to mention they had just already ordered anyway Jul 23 18:14:13 i waited like 2 weeks Jul 23 18:14:15 oh that was fortunate Jul 23 18:14:45 370$ Jul 23 18:15:08 cheaper but def a lot of monies Jul 23 18:15:15 i'll prolly get mine from the 15.8. euro-shipment Jul 23 18:15:28 so yeah, it's not as easily available as you would think :) Jul 23 18:16:08 i need to take that 3-40 bucks i saved and get me a 8GB microSDHC Jul 23 18:16:40 save all those GPS maps link my home dir to it etc Jul 23 18:16:53 kd8ikt, there is a really good deal on amazon for 8gb microsd. comes with a handy usb reader Jul 23 18:17:05 ah nice Jul 23 18:17:09 any of you had a problem where phonekit becomes defunct and trying to run it from a terminal causes it to complain about libecal and crash? Jul 23 18:17:17 peepsalot: link? Jul 23 18:17:18 i think i'm a bit over budget right now though Jul 23 18:18:10 nuclear_eclipse, kd8ikt http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-MicroSDHC-Memory-MobileMate-Package/dp/B000WPDKRI/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1216837049&sr=8-2 Jul 23 18:18:21 ty Jul 23 18:19:29 hopefully mine arrives today Jul 23 18:19:40 w 12 Jul 23 18:19:43 Woops sorry Jul 23 18:19:50 now that i think about it 4GB would be more then enough for me and a heck of a lot cheaper Jul 23 18:20:10 36 bucks isn't that much thou Jul 23 18:20:25 neither is 10-15 for half the storage Jul 23 18:20:33 heh Jul 23 18:20:35 :) Jul 23 18:20:36 kd8ikt: there is also a class 6 4GB, not that the FR can necessarily take advantage of the speed. Jul 23 18:20:37 true Jul 23 18:21:03 * kd8ikt goes for the cheapest nomatter what Jul 23 18:21:21 hence how i got my moko for 370$ Jul 23 18:22:06 http://cgi.ebay.com/OpenMoko-FreeRunner-cell-phone_W0QQitemZ220260639722QQihZ012QQcategoryZ20336QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Jul 23 18:22:15 retracile, yeah, it'd be interesting to see c4 vs c6 numbers but I wouldn't expect much difference Jul 23 18:22:28 i would never buy electronics from ebay Jul 23 18:22:34 $564! Jul 23 18:22:39 hehzero bids lol Jul 23 18:22:50 sorry dude your stuck with it! Jul 23 18:22:50 yeah kinda expensive... Jul 23 18:22:54 you're :p Jul 23 18:23:12 not to mention 20$ shipping Jul 23 18:23:17 I got the change from group buy, so it cost me about $380 inc tax and shipping in the end Jul 23 18:23:36 "With debug board and spares pack" on that ebay item Jul 23 18:23:41 ah yes Jul 23 18:23:45 debug board is $100 Jul 23 18:23:54 how much spares? Jul 23 18:23:55 oh yeah i didnt see that in the items Jul 23 18:23:59 mjr: I'm planning on getting the C6. Jul 23 18:24:01 Chox: $50 Jul 23 18:24:04 hm. Jul 23 18:24:12 understandable then. still. Jul 23 18:24:14 it's "used" Jul 23 18:24:14 it's basically retail + $14 Jul 23 18:24:20 right Jul 23 18:24:30 i want a lanyard Jul 23 18:24:54 i made my own out of some utility string.rope Jul 23 18:24:59 it's not a lanyard as such, just connected to the pounch. unless you're talking about a different item. Jul 23 18:25:27 i thought it came with it Jul 23 18:25:50 im afraid to jam it in my pocket Jul 23 18:26:06 pouches came with 10 packs. Jul 23 18:26:16 yeah i got one of those never use it though Jul 23 18:26:24 its kinda lame Jul 23 18:26:33 i don't see libgsmd-tool in the ASU, is there a way I can control the gsm modem via ssh? Jul 23 18:26:45 I do. afraid of scratching Jul 23 18:27:35 i'm more afraid of real damage to the screen not just a scratch here and there Jul 23 18:27:51 hence the case :p Jul 23 18:27:54 like it needs a front plate protector Jul 23 18:28:04 kd8ikt: get a screen protector, and then make sure you always put the screen inward Jul 23 18:28:04 of those invisible shield things Jul 23 18:28:13 how can i go freerunning with such a fragile device Jul 23 18:28:46 first time i heard of freerunning was urbandead.com Jul 23 18:28:51 ;) Jul 23 18:29:00 Chox, do you have invisible shield? I ordered mine a while ago and it hasn't come Jul 23 18:29:22 I got the full body invisibleshield, but between how nice the regular Freerunner body feels, and not wanting to have a completely glossy/slick device, I've only applied the part to the screen itself so far Jul 23 18:29:43 heh i dont use condoms Jul 23 18:30:05 life is an STD anyway were all infected Jul 23 18:30:08 kd8ikt: it's actually not a 'condom' as you would usually find for phones Jul 23 18:30:43 my dads terrible about phone accessories Jul 23 18:30:50 it's basically a bunch of form-hugging stickers made out of clear, scratch resistant material Jul 23 18:31:13 greenpeace? Jul 23 18:31:25 ?! Jul 23 18:31:38 nuclear_eclipse, I was thinking that too. I like the feel of the freerunner Jul 23 18:31:39 sounds like Greenpeace members. Jul 23 18:31:57 he's gotta get the leather overskirts etc and his laptop which is like atleast a yr old still has the original manufactures plastic sticky stuff covering it Jul 23 18:31:57 Chox: oh :P Jul 23 18:32:05 anyone know what the ASU equivalent of libgsmd-tool is? Jul 23 18:32:45 like this laptop first thing i did was rip of all the stickers esp the windows vista badge Jul 23 18:32:52 and install linux Jul 23 18:33:03 ;) Jul 23 18:33:22 you paid for Vista? sucker :o Jul 23 18:33:26 haha Jul 23 18:33:34 nah but it came free with this craptop Jul 23 18:33:40 "free" Jul 23 18:33:41 400$ laptop Jul 23 18:33:44 you mean included in the price Jul 23 18:34:04 Does anyone have/had an issue with their neo that they can not dial out? Jul 23 18:34:20 Yashy, did it register your SIM? Jul 23 18:34:27 yes, I can receive calls Jul 23 18:34:30 Yashy: why, have you "passed" your other problems? ;o Jul 23 18:34:40 Yashy: the gsm module sometimes does not come back online after suspend Jul 23 18:34:53 aspire 4315 1.7 Ghz cpu 1GB ram atheros wifi card wide 14 or so screen 80GB drive for 400$ Jul 23 18:35:02 I've not been able to dial out since I got it, even after multiple reboots and opkg upgrade Jul 23 18:35:37 nuclear_eclipse: I wouldn't be able to recieve as well if that was my issue? Jul 23 18:35:37 wierd, have you tried a different distro? Jul 23 18:35:46 not yet Jul 23 18:35:48 Yashy: correct Jul 23 18:35:59 nuclear_eclipse: OK, so that is ruled out :) Jul 23 18:36:07 I tried a second SIM card, same issue Jul 23 18:36:11 * kd8ikt loves 2007.2 cant imagine using anything else Jul 23 18:36:23 Yashy, can you hear anything when you receive a call? I had the problem of losing sound after waking up from suspend Jul 23 18:36:36 what i'm saying is maybe it is conneting but you can't hear anything? Jul 23 18:36:57 Everything is fine when I receive a call Jul 23 18:37:17 but when I hit dial after entering a telephone number, dialer crashes and sends me back to the application window Jul 23 18:37:21 sometimes my screen will go pure white in suspend (i call it a coma) and the only way to get out is to pull the battery Jul 23 18:37:36 Yashy, maybe you can remove dialer and reinstall it Jul 23 18:38:19 Is there a list of alternate firmware I can try in the wiki? Jul 23 18:38:33 yeah search the wiki for distributions Jul 23 18:38:52 gives you a nice lil comparison aswell Jul 23 18:38:56 wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions Jul 23 18:39:07 Yashy, qtopia has been pretty stable for me Jul 23 18:39:14 but not as fun Jul 23 18:39:23 omg i tried qtopia this afternoon and hated its guts Jul 23 18:39:37 never flashing that on again Jul 23 18:39:38 omgpwnies! Jul 23 18:39:47 ha, that's a strong reaction Jul 23 18:39:54 binrev Jul 23 18:41:11 what did you hate about it? Jul 23 18:41:17 everything Jul 23 18:41:26 hi Lorn Jul 23 18:41:35 I'll give it a try, thanks for the pointers Jul 23 18:44:02 everything. well thats descriptive Jul 23 18:44:18 you hated that it just worked, and you caould make phone calls and sms Jul 23 18:44:41 you also hated that the todo list worked, and could read sim contacts Jul 23 18:44:59 lpotter: doesn't everyone hate that? ;) Jul 23 18:45:00 nuclear_eclipse: hello Jul 23 18:45:05 ha Jul 23 18:45:08 * retracile chuckles Jul 23 18:45:22 2007 does all that and more better +faster for me lpotter Jul 23 18:45:57 I personally think the Qtopia interface is a bit disorganized/unintuitive, and some of the icons don't really convey the application well enough, but it works :P Jul 23 18:46:01 how is i more better and faster? Jul 23 18:46:13 end_distro_WAR() Jul 23 18:46:40 I am genuinely wanting to find out what you dislike about it, so I can help improve it Jul 23 18:46:47 its slow Jul 23 18:47:00 too flashy but then again windows pukes like it Jul 23 18:47:05 i found it faster than everything else Jul 23 18:47:20 too flashy? Jul 23 18:47:28 glitz Jul 23 18:47:35 you like things rough around the edges and not exactly working? Jul 23 18:47:37 too polished? ;) Jul 23 18:47:38 kd8ikt: you wouldn't happen to have tried asu? Jul 23 18:47:45 no Jul 23 18:47:49 that's certainly slow... Jul 23 18:47:58 Second hand info: some finn said qtopia was slow as molasses with an sd card in, but pretty fast without. Haven't tried myself, no idea how that might've turned out. Jul 23 18:48:07 i'll stick to 2007 hopeing it doesnt disolve into fso Jul 23 18:48:29 kd8ikt, how come not? Jul 23 18:48:38 mjr: qtopia is pretty fast for me and i have an SD card in Jul 23 18:48:48 i cant say i like qt Jul 23 18:48:52 mjr: depends on how many files are on the sd card, I suppose Jul 23 18:48:58 FreoNeo, *shrug*, just repeating what I was told Jul 23 18:49:10 qt=kde=gay Jul 23 18:49:24 kd8ikt, not cool man Jul 23 18:49:30 no offense to gay people i'm still trying to break the gay bashing habit Jul 23 18:49:48 no, not cool to kde Jul 23 18:49:48 lpotter: how many files exist on the sd card, or how many of the system files are on the sd card? Jul 23 18:49:58 kde sucks balls Jul 23 18:50:01 kd8ikt, I mean, I'd like if the shr people managed to, in the first place, get the 2007 apps running on fso backend Jul 23 18:50:10 but wasn't that what you meant? Jul 23 18:50:18 kd8ikt, maybe for you Jul 23 18:50:21 kd8ikt: I think you need to calm down a bit on the hating... Jul 23 18:50:45 if you are runnign qtopia from sd you probably want to edit ~/Settings/Trolltech/Storage.conf or maybe its at /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Storage.conf Jul 23 18:50:47 well i'd love to argue but i have a picnic to attend with beer+burgers+brats+mets Jul 23 18:50:58 i installed ASU to my SD card but I can't find the keyboard. Am I dumbass or is it actually missing the keyboard? Jul 23 18:50:59 and take out the sd card entry Jul 23 18:51:01 dont you know i'm the termihater nuclear_eclipse Jul 23 18:51:23 FreoNeo, again, I _heard_ that at least some version is Jul 23 18:51:48 mjr, haha and I decided to install that very version Jul 23 18:53:20 I tried Qtopia (not ASU) yesterday but it was so slow with my SD card it was completely unusable. Without the SD card it ran fine. Jul 23 18:54:10 * mjr points at Karrde Jul 23 18:54:13 that's the some finn Jul 23 18:55:02 Karrde: are there a lot of files on the sd? Jul 23 18:55:10 yup, that's me. Jul 23 18:55:14 * Chox suggests noatime Jul 23 18:55:45 lpotter: probably, at least around 0.5GB of OSM maps for tangogps Jul 23 18:55:59 so I guess the answer is yes Jul 23 18:56:10 yo Jul 23 18:56:27 yeah, i guess i only have like 50-60mb of stuff on my SD Jul 23 18:56:34 ahh. ok. Jul 23 18:56:40 yeah, millibits not very big :o Jul 23 18:57:00 i really wish i could get tangogps to download maps manually for, say, a whole region Jul 23 18:57:01 we used to have a way of being able to specify directories not to scan. Jul 23 18:57:03 can i install matchbox keyboard on ASU? Jul 23 18:57:08 If you fill up an SD card, if might potentially struggle with the wear levelling. Jul 23 18:57:15 torpor: you can! Jul 23 18:57:20 how? Jul 23 18:57:25 torpor: tap on the map, there's a menu that comes up Jul 23 18:57:28 tangogps FAQ, ktb Jul 23 18:57:30 torpor: last item on the menu Jul 23 18:57:36 Chox: well, it still has ~3,5GB free space ;) Jul 23 18:57:41 hm. Jul 23 18:57:43 so i just tell it to download? Jul 23 18:57:47 still, noatime Jul 23 18:58:15 for example right now because i am inside tangogps doesn't have a fix, but it knows my last position, so i want it to download all. Jul 23 18:58:23 torpor: It'll download current zoom level + the number of levels selected in the sub-menu. I'd suggest doing +4 or +5 and not +6, as I've had instability with +6. Jul 23 18:58:35 ok Jul 23 18:58:49 i've just told it to download 400megs of data, no problems. i'll let it finish. Jul 23 18:58:54 and then see if i can zoom. ;) Jul 23 18:59:14 i just wish i could tell tangogps "set yourself up with all maps, all details, from all repos, for the region defined by X,Y" Jul 23 18:59:25 yes, my train this morning went off the edge of the map :o Jul 23 18:59:28 i so rarely have both net connectivity and gps at the same time. Jul 23 18:59:57 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r8fb3b9d7ad6b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade xglamo to get a bugfix for #1533 (bracket instead of 7 shown) Jul 23 18:59:58 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rae0c6ba94b1b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade opkg get the user.c fix to use va_start/va_end around vsprintf Jul 23 19:00:08 but maybe there is some sort of map tile agreement with openstreetmaps that precludes the tangogps authors' license to do a big map swoop .. Jul 23 19:00:11 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4def09219c03 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get some predictive keyboard changes (input symbol keys, show/hide it) Jul 23 19:00:11 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc8825b5ddab7 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade xglamo to get a bugfix for #1533 (bracket instead of 7 shown) Jul 23 19:00:12 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r7de4274c75b2 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade opkg get the user.c fix to use va_start/va_end around vsprintf Jul 23 19:00:21 don't think so. Jul 23 19:00:23 Hello. I am trying to flash FR, but it doesn't seem to want to stay in "Set console to USB" mode.. Every time I try, it exits back to uBoot menu in 2 sec. Jul 23 19:00:28 read the tangoGPS faq Jul 23 19:00:36 openstreetmap really is open. Jul 23 19:00:41 and it's not the only one out there. Jul 23 19:00:49 i know i've red that Jul 23 19:01:17 i'll suggest the feature of 'full map swoop' to the tangogps author, and/or look at the code and produce a patch to do so .. Jul 23 19:01:34 torpor: data transfer isn't free for OSM. If lots of users go and hit the repositories for hundreds of Km when they don't really need them... Jul 23 19:01:52 zandini: go into u-boot, cycle the aux-menu one or two items, then disconnect the usb cable, start up the flash program, and reconnect the cable Jul 23 19:02:16 the usb-console firmware sometimes gets confused by the USB state set by the flash program, so you have to reset it with a cable re-plug. Jul 23 19:02:44 uggh Jul 23 19:02:51 okay. I will give that a try. Jul 23 19:02:56 anyone know how to rid myself of that mouse pointer bug/mode? Jul 23 19:03:02 SpeedEvil: i understand that, really i do. i just don't think if i'm entering "x,y" as my known region of interest, personally, someone else can tell me 'you don't really need that', especially if I don't have online access to OSM persistently, all the time .. Jul 23 19:05:17 torpor: I'm not saying that anyone can. But you can do that with tangogps. Zoom out to world view. Click 'download to 4 levels' Jul 23 19:05:35 I'd think it were a good idea if the OSM data was downloadable in nicely-sized chunks, e.g. via tor. Jul 23 19:05:41 torpor: this'll get you country outlines. Zoom into where you want, and then to where you want maps of. Jul 23 19:05:48 I'd download all maps for my city and put them on an SD card. Jul 23 19:05:52 Doesn't work so well. Jul 23 19:06:01 The tiles change weekly for some of them. Jul 23 19:06:17 Gah, torrent, not tor. Jul 23 19:06:27 Dave: I believe the mouse pointer is enabled/disabled in /etc/matchbox/session ? Jul 23 19:06:43 But my streets don't. And even then, I can live with downloading updates for my city once a month or so. Jul 23 19:07:02 nuclear_eclipse o_O Jul 23 19:07:07 hi there, having a problem with booting up my freerunner. Here's the story: I was trying to get to the boot loader menu, and in the meantime, the phone powered down... I assumed that the battery might have been hosed, but after replacing with a new battery and plugging in the charger, it still won't boot! Jul 23 19:07:18 andlo: so somewhere you need to store a hundred or two terabytes of different versions of tiles... Jul 23 19:07:31 tangogps doesn't seem to like movement because it gets the graphics messed up although there is a good gps signal and all maps are available on the nand Jul 23 19:07:33 nuclear_eclipse, I'm still not even sure what causes it? Jul 23 19:07:52 But once it happens essentially i've found the only remedy is reboot Jul 23 19:07:53 tangogps has severe redraw problems when it can't fetch tiles. Jul 23 19:07:57 oh, you didn't ever set that way by hand you mean? Jul 23 19:07:57 It's unusable as is. Jul 23 19:08:03 since the phone essentially becomes unusable, when it does occur Jul 23 19:08:06 toggles_w: yeah - and with 450m wafers, you can get more and more on each wafer. Jul 23 19:08:08 oops Jul 23 19:08:12 nuclear_eclipse, never knew about it, so no ;) Jul 23 19:08:20 But it's happened a few times in different applications Jul 23 19:08:22 SpeedEvil: !! ;-) Jul 23 19:08:23 lol, that's wierd Jul 23 19:08:26 that caused it Jul 23 19:08:30 It totally sucks :( Jul 23 19:08:39 toggles_w: sorry - was talking to someone with gle: in another channel Jul 23 19:08:45 Speedevil, I prefer sugarcones, personally :) Jul 23 19:08:45 I specifically enabled the pointer on mine, but it's a really tiny pointer Jul 23 19:08:48 :D Jul 23 19:08:51 And why should the tiles be several hundred terabytes? Everybody else is able to fit them in SD cards. Jul 23 19:08:51 no worries Jul 23 19:09:05 nuclear_eclipse, yeah it is, it's a tiny black outlined white pointer Jul 23 19:09:07 pretty useless Jul 23 19:09:22 andreas: but it does not have to fetch the maps, they are available; if I scroll to another area and then do an autocenter the maps are displayed fine Jul 23 19:09:39 Dave: I like to see exactly where my finger is triggering :) Jul 23 19:09:40 bumbl: Then it has more than one bug. Jul 23 19:09:47 yeah but you can't disable it! Jul 23 19:09:52 and it breaks everything :( Jul 23 19:10:02 (unrelated to simply enabling it, perhaps) :p Jul 23 19:10:05 heh Jul 23 19:10:09 I think mine is a real bug though Jul 23 19:10:14 Should a neo startup to the bootloader with no battery and plugged into the wall charger? Jul 23 19:10:16 I think others have encountered this before though. Jul 23 19:10:23 Or do you need a battery with sufficient charge? Jul 23 19:10:46 Dave: that does sound really weild Jul 23 19:10:54 s/weild/weird/ Jul 23 19:10:54 nuclear_eclipse meant: Dave: that does sound really weird Jul 23 19:11:04 ok; additionally matchbox (I know it's unmaintained) crashes every now and then Jul 23 19:11:08 Yeah :( Jul 23 19:11:09 nite613: as I understand it, it depends on the version of the bootloader. the original couldn't boot from USB power... too much current draw. (again, as I understand it) Jul 23 19:11:14 it's shitty because when it happens Jul 23 19:11:19 it disables a lot of button abilities Jul 23 19:11:35 so essentially I become trapped in that application, or trapped on the menu app screen, unable to click anything Jul 23 19:11:47 the AUX and POWER menus still pop up and seem to work Jul 23 19:11:50 but only somewhat Jul 23 19:11:51 Dave: I fail to see the problem :P Jul 23 19:11:53 (and lagged) Jul 23 19:11:56 hahaha, fucker :P Jul 23 19:12:15 * Dave stabs nuclear_eclipse with his tiny black mouse pointer! Jul 23 19:12:36 retracile: Thanks Jul 23 19:12:39 Dave: if we are talking about the same thing: connect to your freerunner via usb/ssh and restart the xserver Jul 23 19:13:09 welp, just re-opened an eight month old bug :\ Jul 23 19:13:22 oh yeah.. where do you send patches? Jul 23 19:13:32 I've heard it asked a few times, but I've never gotten an answer Jul 23 19:15:21 bumbl, that's not a solution to the problem. Jul 23 19:15:37 though thanks, surely one could resolve the issue temporarily by doing that :P Jul 23 19:15:54 but that doesn't help me when I'm on the road :) Jul 23 19:15:58 plus why the fuck does it happen? :D Jul 23 19:16:08 nothing should trigger that intentionally? or if so, what apps do? :o Jul 23 19:16:16 Dave: Sure it does... all you need is a 2nd FR to act as the host machine. ;) Jul 23 19:16:18 yes it's not an solution but it cures the symptoms Jul 23 19:16:30 s/an/a/ Jul 23 19:16:30 bumbl meant: yes it's not a solution but it cures the symptoms Jul 23 19:16:34 bah! Jul 23 19:16:40 * Dave whaps retracile :P Jul 23 19:17:03 Dave: Ah, come on, you know you want a 2nd one! Jul 23 19:18:48 question: i have no SD card reader, but i do have an old mp3 hard disk player in which i can insert an sd card, is it possible to acces this card directly and format it? Jul 23 19:19:30 or should i just give up hope :) Jul 23 19:19:42 Zorkman: the FR should be able to format it... Jul 23 19:20:16 retracile: yes, i can format everything with it, exept fat Jul 23 19:20:25 Zorkman, "maybe" Jul 23 19:20:44 retracile: and i cant get dualboot up with ext2 and ext3 (i'm probably doing something wrong, but i can't find it) Jul 23 19:24:37 Zorkman: you can get mkfs.vfat from http://members.shaw.ca/mmontour/neo/dosfstools_2.11-r0_armv4t.ipk (copy to the Freerunner then "opkg install" it) Jul 23 19:25:46 I want a second what, retracile? Jul 23 19:25:46 mmontour, i already got a mkfs.vfat from another irc visitor here (i added it to the wiki) but i'll try this one, thanks! Jul 23 19:25:59 :p Jul 23 19:26:38 D! Jul 23 19:26:45 Dave: I believe he meant you wanted a second FR Jul 23 19:27:00 to connect to the other for SSH reasons :P Jul 23 19:27:06 Dave: a second FR to carry around. Jul 23 19:27:12 fr phone Jul 23 19:27:26 cos I don't have enough of them Jul 23 19:27:52 I have several I carry around... Jul 23 19:27:57 I don't need any more Jul 23 19:28:04 not including the ones you broke? Jul 23 19:29:23 why are there no rootfses for today? Jul 23 19:29:43 shush :p Jul 23 19:30:31 and I WILL DEVOUR THEM! Jul 23 19:30:40 Davezilla. Jul 23 19:30:59 RAWR Jul 23 19:31:39 * Chox takes pliers to a 5 port USB card to fit it in a 4 port slot. Jul 23 19:32:30 :P Jul 23 19:32:42 only problem is, I need a second one! Jul 23 19:32:58 and the other shitty cheap cards I have don't play with the Soekris board Jul 23 19:37:36 mmontour Jul 23 19:37:57 i still get the error with your dosfsck: Jul 23 19:38:14 "/bin/dosfsck: line 1: syntax error: "(" unexpected" Jul 23 19:38:38 it seems an error that is patchable (maybe?) http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=7708 Jul 23 19:39:53 Do you need dosfsck? You should be able to just "mkfs.vfat", mount the partition, and copy the files onto it. Jul 23 19:40:13 mkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005) Jul 23 19:40:13 Illegal instruction Jul 23 19:40:23 (when I do mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1) Jul 23 19:41:36 odd - it works on my GTA01. Jul 23 19:42:08 mkfs.ext2 and mkfs.ext3 do work Jul 23 19:43:23 You're sure that you're running the binary from my package, not the one that the other guy gave you? Jul 23 19:44:04 what do "which mkfs.vfat" and "md5sum /usr/sbin/mkfs.vfat" say? Jul 23 19:44:25 root@om-gta02:~# which mkfs.vfat Jul 23 19:44:25 /bin/mkfs.vfat Jul 23 19:44:35 heh Jul 23 19:44:38 63abeedb6cf7741ec21ee9275ae6a5b4 /usr/sbin/mkfs.vfat Jul 23 19:44:38 so wrong! Jul 23 19:44:50 Yeah, try the /usr/sbin/ one Jul 23 19:45:51 root@om-gta02:/usr/bin# mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 Jul 23 19:45:51 mkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005) Jul 23 19:45:51 Illegal instruction Jul 23 19:45:57 * Chox laffs Jul 23 19:45:59 oh sbin, sorry Jul 23 19:46:32 armv5 binary, perchance Jul 23 19:50:47 this will probably make Chox laugh some more: but are the mkfs.vfat files on all freerunner v5 not the same? would it not suffice if someone sent me that file and i scp'ed it to my freerunner? Jul 23 19:51:13 yes, but you put it in a different path Jul 23 19:51:19 hence the 'which' command Jul 23 19:51:30 and who knows where the other one came from. Jul 23 19:51:56 yeah i understand that, but i copied the file from the /usr/sbin over the file in /bin/ now and it still doesn't work Jul 23 19:52:14 there may be some history with that package, fixes, etc Jul 23 19:52:23 heya Jul 23 19:52:26 Upgrading ncurses on root from 5.4-r14 to 5.4-r15... Jul 23 19:52:26 Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/ncurses_5.4-r15_armv4t.ipk Jul 23 19:52:26 Collected errors: Jul 23 19:52:26 * Package ncurses wants to install file /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 Jul 23 19:52:32 Sorry about flood Jul 23 19:52:37 opkg remove ncurses Jul 23 19:52:50 mmm... ok, i'll reflash the device and try with only that ipk package and see if it works Jul 23 19:52:52 Alright, reinstall Jul 23 19:52:58 Zorkman: So explicitly running "/usr/sbin/mkfs.vfat" gives that same illegal instruction error? Jul 23 19:54:13 mmontour: no... it works.. i feel (again) very stupid... i cd'd to the directory and ran it but ofcourse it still used the other one... Jul 23 19:54:32 Zorkman: grats ; Jul 23 19:54:33 ;_ Jul 23 19:55:10 thanks edistar, seems my main contribution is make everyone frown at my ignorance :) Jul 23 19:55:22 hardly. Jul 23 19:55:31 asking questions is a lot better than half-arsed assertions Jul 23 19:55:42 which we've had plenty of - even from me ;-) Jul 23 19:56:33 hmmm: i run fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 and it still still says "Linux" as the system of my /dev/mmcblk0p1 is this normal? Jul 23 19:56:42 Zorkman: grats that you got the solution! Jul 23 19:56:51 did you expect it to say something else? Jul 23 19:57:00 lpotter: ping Jul 23 19:57:12 fat 32 ? :) Jul 23 19:57:19 doesn't matter all that much. Jul 23 19:57:30 ok, thanks Jul 23 19:57:33 but you can change the partition type if you like in fdisk Jul 23 19:58:36 Zorkman: BTW, the need to have a FAT partition will go away soon, once someone has time to re-write the "booting from SD" wiki page. The new u-boot images can load the kernel from ext2/3. Jul 23 19:59:05 if I plug a usb drive into the freerunner will it load the modules to have an extra disk? Jul 23 19:59:18 mmontour, yeah, i heard about that, but was unable to succeed on my own with ext2 as kernel and ext3as filesystem Jul 23 19:59:34 fdisk also gives a warning: Jul 23 19:59:34 The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 15484. Jul 23 19:59:34 There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024, Jul 23 19:59:47 should i somehow change the number of cylindes? Jul 23 20:00:01 but when I hit dial after entering a telephone number, dialer crashes and sends me back to the application window Jul 23 20:00:12 or is it not important? (i guess a quick google will give me the answer how to do it, but not if it is usefull or not in this case) Jul 23 20:00:13 Zorkman: By "new u-boot images" I mean "20070823" or newer on buildhost.openmoko.org. Jul 23 20:00:23 s/20070823/20080723/ Jul 23 20:00:23 mmontour meant: Zorkman: By "new u-boot images" I mean "20080723" or newer on buildhost.openmoko.org. Jul 23 20:00:24 I just tried qtopia, I still can not dial out with my neo Jul 23 20:00:46 mmontour: hi Jul 23 20:00:53 wow.. using gentoo paid off -- I have most of the source files that OpenEmbedded can't find in my distfiles dir Jul 23 20:01:00 Yashy: are you connected to the network? qtopia worked fine here Jul 23 20:01:02 damn ricers Jul 23 20:01:31 if you haven't compiled with -funroll-loops Jul 23 20:01:32 you haven't lived Jul 23 20:01:36 mmontour: will this uboot version change my uboot_env? Jul 23 20:01:45 Zorkman: it seems to be specific to my phone. I can receive calls, just not dial out. I've tried two SIM cards, and two firmware images, all to no avail, I can't dial out :( Jul 23 20:01:54 I have, but fortunately without the "benefit" of gentoo Jul 23 20:01:57 mmontour: or will i have to modify it by hand? Jul 23 20:02:29 Chox: hehe.. so have I Jul 23 20:02:36 I've never put it in my system CFLAGS of course Jul 23 20:02:44 but for this compuational program I tried... it made it run slower Jul 23 20:03:17 Yashy is your phone flashed with the latest images? Jul 23 20:03:41 and have you tried making calls with 2007.2 or ASU OR FSO? Jul 23 20:03:47 yes, I tried the latest 2007.2 and qtopia Jul 23 20:04:01 and dialing out worked? Jul 23 20:04:04 no Jul 23 20:04:27 dialing out has never worked, but receiving calls worked fine with both images Jul 23 20:04:27 i should warn you at this point: talking with me will get you not a step closer to a sollution :) Jul 23 20:04:42 Anyone know the process for returning a phone? Jul 23 20:04:51 unless there are any other ideas? Jul 23 20:04:58 not even steve knows it i think... Jul 23 20:05:12 (trying even more sims from different telco's?) Jul 23 20:05:48 exchanged SIMs with another neo last night, seems to be specific to my phone Jul 23 20:06:00 malik1972: Updating the u-boot binary will not affect the env variables Jul 23 20:06:04 i have had dialing out work on all three, only 2007.2 and asu resulted in a two-wat phone call, fso seemed to have something muted Jul 23 20:06:23 two-way* Jul 23 20:06:56 2007.2 constantly complains abut Method "Dial" with blah blah Jul 23 20:07:07 but ASU seems to work rather well for me Jul 23 20:07:54 i did find that my sim seems to work better with the neo if i slide it all the way to one side after locking the holder Jul 23 20:08:11 the pins on my card seem to possibly be off-center Jul 23 20:08:34 mmontour: okay ... but this version handles ext on sdhc cards issue, so that there is no need to move the kernel to a fat partition or nand, right? Jul 23 20:09:28 right (should work - I don't have a Freerunner to test it myself) Jul 23 20:10:19 thanx mmontour, will try it at the weekend Jul 23 20:10:24 mmontour: do you know if somebody is doing the u-boot sdhc support for the Neo1973? Jul 23 20:10:37 Kensan: nobody's volunteered yet Jul 23 20:10:49 edistar: didn't you boot from sdhc? Jul 23 20:11:28 mmontour: too bad. Jul 23 20:14:22 anyone know what the 'multitouch keyboard' is all about? Jul 23 20:14:28 is it really multitouch? Jul 23 20:15:07 haha Jul 23 20:15:13 good question...is the touchscreen hardware multitouch capable(so we can make games using multitouch....for instance with pygame....) Jul 23 20:15:14 torpor: it's multi tap keyboard Jul 23 20:15:21 No. Jul 23 20:15:21 hey, i used the instructions on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Host-based_development_with_Xoo_and_Xephyr to get the emulation running, but i have errors about gsmd Jul 23 20:15:25 (except when there is anewx keyboard i don't know about) Jul 23 20:15:26 how do you start the thing? Jul 23 20:15:49 torpor: multitap is just like a regular cellphone, tap one time for "a", two times for "b" etc Jul 23 20:15:51 d'oh Jul 23 20:15:51 Gnutoo: it's a four wire resistive touchscreen. It can only in principle give roughtly the bounding box of all touches. Jul 23 20:15:59 multitap Jul 23 20:16:05 SpeedEvil: hey, that'd be good though. Jul 23 20:16:15 wow Jul 23 20:16:18 torpor: however, I'm unsure if that can be done Jul 23 20:16:23 i can imagine a few apps where drawing a box with two fingers would be nice. Jul 23 20:16:26 Yashy - What you are descibing is the same issue I had with my phone. Jul 23 20:16:27 torpor: or if the hardware just returns an x/y Jul 23 20:16:48 sparrow: Did you resolve it or have to send it back? Jul 23 20:17:03 Yashy - It is a SIM issue. The SIM is not compatible with your phone. Jul 23 20:17:09 torpor: there WAS also some talk about using it for multitouch purposes because it *MIHT* be possible to detect two fingers because the refence point with "jump" between the two points of contact Jul 23 20:17:23 Yashy - How old is your SIM? Jul 23 20:17:31 there are also some touchpads in laptops than can register if you tap with two fingers instead of one... Jul 23 20:17:50 sparrow: I will head down to the telco store and try a new SIM... bbiab :) Jul 23 20:17:54 hmm. Jul 23 20:18:04 Yashy - Where are you, ie country? Jul 23 20:18:08 well i hope we start to see iphone clones in the future running linux coz multitouch is nie. Jul 23 20:18:35 sparrow: Canada on Rogers; however I tried a SIM that works on a friends Neo, and it didn't work in mine. Jul 23 20:18:52 Yashy - Are you in Toronto? Jul 23 20:19:01 no, BC Jul 23 20:19:09 Zorkman, yeah, a double-tap detection would be somewhat feasible... Jul 23 20:19:22 Zorkman: yeah, I do Jul 23 20:19:24 Okay, ask for a series 4000 sim. (aka new sim) Jul 23 20:19:34 OK will do Jul 23 20:19:41 sdgc Jul 23 20:20:07 kensan asked if someone was doing some work around booting from sdhc Jul 23 20:20:08 Yashy - It is white on the top side, and red on the contact side Jul 23 20:21:01 Yashy - With UICC on the redside Jul 23 20:21:13 in white print Jul 23 20:21:32 OK. This one is all white with black print Rogers/AT&T Jul 23 20:21:44 * Chox tries to refrain from more past/passed jokes. Jul 23 20:21:56 Yashy - Do you want a picture? Jul 23 20:22:08 nah, I'm sure they'll know at the Rogers store Jul 23 20:22:14 Cool =) Jul 23 20:22:15 has anyone tried the software fix for sd/gps? Jul 23 20:22:32 thanks though, I'll head out now to the store and see... Jul 23 20:22:36 ecraven: seems to be ok for me. YMMV Jul 23 20:28:01 unbelievable! Jul 23 20:28:19 Chox and edistar, if you're ever in Belgium i'll give you one of our finest beers! Jul 23 20:28:26 i'm dualbooting finally :) Jul 23 20:28:57 Zorkman: super, isn't that far actually ;) Jul 23 20:29:15 anytime :) Jul 23 20:29:46 is the speed-penalty big if you run from sd? Jul 23 20:29:56 thanks for the answer on the multitap screen Jul 23 20:32:16 how do i connect my FR via usb to my pc *without* starting it? Jul 23 20:34:42 ecraven: i think it is not possible (yet) Jul 23 20:35:20 ecraven - For power or to use the gsm modem? Jul 23 20:36:04 for power, and generally, i sometimes forget that it boots, connect it, want to boot from sd, have to wait until the internal boot is finished, reboot.. Jul 23 20:38:22 ecraven - I think Zorkman is correct. But I seem to recall a new uboot to support that to a certain degree. The only issue is that your phone would always go to uboot and wait. Jul 23 20:38:52 * sparrow looks for the uboot thread he mentioned Jul 23 20:39:44 thanks! Jul 23 20:40:52 has anyone tried recent svn FSO? Jul 23 20:41:10 does it have anything but phoning yet? can it run non-zhone applications? Jul 23 20:42:33 ecraven: havent tried it but normally only phoning, not even sms Jul 23 20:42:45 ecraven: it is now based on illume Jul 23 20:42:50 ecraven: why not test it? Jul 23 20:43:09 ecraven: http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D Jul 23 20:43:20 edistar: thanks, will do Jul 23 20:44:25 btw: is it normal that whenever i boot my freerunner (2007.2 or ASU) it displays for a split second some very nasty colored lines? Jul 23 20:44:43 Zorkman: no, I don't get them Jul 23 20:44:49 Zorkman: at what stage? Jul 23 20:44:58 edistar: the screenshots look nice :) Jul 23 20:45:17 after uboot Jul 23 20:45:32 so no more zhone? no tichy? what is illume? c code? Jul 23 20:46:19 first it checks the uImage and then i get this nasty screen and then it starts with all that "mambo jambo" in those fast little white lines of text :) Jul 23 20:46:31 ecraven: yeah, it's very nice and rounded off :) Jul 23 20:46:38 ah, ok Jul 23 20:46:41 Zorkman: might be normal Jul 23 20:47:22 edistar: does it run with the kernel of today? Jul 23 20:47:41 ecraven: yes Jul 23 20:47:48 <- ssh Jul 23 20:48:20 * kd8ikt_ is on my moko Jul 23 20:49:21 edistar: cool, if tangogps works on it, i'll switch to that ;) Jul 23 20:49:38 any of you that use 2007.2 actually turn your phones off/reboot them sometimes? Jul 23 20:49:55 ecraven: it does Jul 23 20:50:08 ecraven: patched version Jul 23 20:50:24 edistar: you don't have an ipkg for 0.9.2? Jul 23 20:50:43 ok Jul 23 20:50:51 foo, i should have asked you a few hours ago, my internet at home is so slow :( an hour to get the 50mb image Jul 23 20:50:57 ecraven: sry? Jul 23 20:51:13 edistar: do you have that patched version anywhere i can access it? Jul 23 20:51:20 ecraven: it should be on the image already Jul 23 20:51:42 patched what? why Jul 23 20:51:55 edistar: exceedingly cool ;) Jul 23 20:51:59 kd8ikt_: to work with FSO's ogpsd Jul 23 20:52:03 Tintin! Jul 23 20:52:45 AntonTakk - I do quite alot Jul 23 20:52:50 a lot, thanks Jul 23 20:54:10 k, this is weird... I'm trying to install Qtopia as a dual-boot setup on my FreeRunner. I modified some settings in uboot so I can boot from SD. Thing is, when I power down and get back in to uboot, the new entry is sometimes there, and sometimes it's the old menu that shows up! The uboot vesion numbers are sometimes different as well. any ideas? Jul 23 20:54:32 presumably one is the NOR version and one is the NAND Jul 23 20:55:00 Is cdmaone supported by OpenMoko? Or just GSM/GPRS and the like? Jul 23 20:55:07 just GSM Jul 23 20:55:25 under which conditions will it use NAND vs NOR? Jul 23 20:55:37 depends on key press. see the getting started guide. Jul 23 20:56:16 does the wireless support master mode? Jul 23 20:56:17 Andre613: hold down power and then hold down aux together with power, you well enter NAND Jul 23 20:56:21 Sargun, no Jul 23 20:56:22 Sargun: no Jul 23 20:56:33 if you first hold down auw and then hold down power together with aux you will enter NOR Jul 23 20:56:35 Aw, damnit. Jul 23 20:56:40 lymeca, cdma, not very open-friendly Jul 23 20:56:50 WiMax is. Jul 23 20:56:55 Ah yes, Qualcomm and the like. Jul 23 20:57:07 yes, but WiMax isn't a cell technology Jul 23 20:57:35 nor widley deployed Jul 23 20:59:25 ok, can someone explain to me why the phone randomly powers down while in the boot menu? Jul 23 20:59:37 Chox, slightly off topic, but what do you think about wimax vs 802.11n for urban wireless? Jul 23 20:59:57 erm :o can 'o worms. N is proven at least. Jul 23 21:00:12 haha, as proven as it can be without a standard Jul 23 21:00:24 yes, but it works. Jul 23 21:00:32 and can fall back to G, etc. Jul 23 21:00:34 agreed Jul 23 21:00:41 wifi is the bomb Jul 23 21:00:58 and N increases the range somewhat. still. Jul 23 21:00:59 Andre613 - I am sorry, I don't use dual boot yet. I know that if left in uboot, currently the system will power down to conserve power is no actionis taken. Jul 23 21:01:03 and unsuited for a cellular network :] Jul 23 21:01:18 mrj: yessir Jul 23 21:02:05 sparrow, thanks Jul 23 21:02:14 does opkg install to the SD card when its runs out of internal memory? Jul 23 21:02:16 * Wonka will get some GPRS Internet flatrate for 25eur/month soon Jul 23 21:02:22 i get "Could not obtain administrative lock" when running opkg upgrade/update, but i have closed assasin, do i need to reboot? Jul 23 21:02:44 there will be some file you can ddlete Jul 23 21:02:47 kelvie_work - No... The SD card in mounted in a diff place on the file system. Jul 23 21:03:21 sparrow: so you can't install more than 256MB of programs? Jul 23 21:03:36 not under the current setup, no Jul 23 21:03:40 kelvie_work - opkg only knows where on the file system to install, not which device. Jul 23 21:03:46 ah Jul 23 21:03:51 not without tricks, in any case Jul 23 21:04:02 will that be remedied later? Jul 23 21:04:05 * sparrow nods to Chox Jul 23 21:04:07 in /usr/lib/opkg/lock, but is it safe to delete it? Jul 23 21:04:14 I'm building qt-4.3 and pyqt4.3 .. I have doubts it will all fit :p Jul 23 21:04:35 yay, got a satellite *with* the sd card in Jul 23 21:05:24 say, /usr/share symlink to SD card Jul 23 21:06:40 ecraven - Not sure if I already asked you yet, but what kernel are you tracking? Jul 23 21:06:44 I think the guys that jailbroke the iphone/ipod had the same issue Jul 23 21:06:51 wonder how they worked around it Jul 23 21:06:52 I just pulled today's kernel from opkg Jul 23 21:06:55 sparrow: today's from Latest_Images 2007.2 Jul 23 21:07:07 rebooting now Jul 23 21:07:25 the asu sure runns slow, is this normal? Jul 23 21:07:44 * Chox wonders why people persist with ASU :o Jul 23 21:07:58 * Zorkman doesn't persist, i just flashed it an hour ago Jul 23 21:08:08 but indeed, i get your point Jul 23 21:08:12 sounds like pesisting ;-) Jul 23 21:08:31 Zorkman - Yeah... But it is still very early in the dev cycle. Jul 23 21:08:45 kelvie_work, sparrow isn't completely up to speed it seems. You can configure another "root" into opkg, and install packages there; also there is a utility to manage symlinks from the actual root to packages installed in an alternate location (ipkg-link wasit, don't know if renamed to opkg-) Jul 23 21:09:21 mjr - I stand corrected ;) Jul 23 21:09:26 mjr: oh.. fantastic :) Jul 23 21:09:34 sounds a bit manual :o Jul 23 21:09:34 kelvie_work, you must tell it to install there though manually afiak Jul 23 21:09:40 that's fine Jul 23 21:09:49 * kelvie_work is a gentoo user Jul 23 21:09:56 damn ricers! Jul 23 21:10:07 hehe Jul 23 21:10:14 you sound like a bot Jul 23 21:10:19 I know Jul 23 21:10:48 mjr: are there any docs that point to how to do this? Jul 23 21:10:57 opkg --help :o Jul 23 21:10:57 chox what do you mean with "damn ricers" i can't stop thinking about chinese people :) Jul 23 21:11:02 heh Jul 23 21:11:07 consequently, I am also Chinese Jul 23 21:11:22 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_burner Jul 23 21:11:26 kelvie_work, don't know, but look up ipkg-link Jul 23 21:11:29 uurgh, Gentoo users Jul 23 21:11:30 the original reference is Japanese Jul 23 21:11:33 :-) Jul 23 21:11:36 also opkg's -d optin Jul 23 21:11:36 mjr: will do Jul 23 21:11:40 bagpuss_thecat: what's with gentoo users ? Jul 23 21:11:43 * CVirus grabs his weapon Jul 23 21:11:52 hold on, my weapon is still compiling Jul 23 21:12:01 haha Jul 23 21:12:03 http://web.archive.org/web/20061004200708/http://www.funroll-loops.org/ <-- Gentoo is rice! ;) Jul 23 21:12:08 thanks kelvie, i learned a new word today :) Jul 23 21:12:17 mjr - Did they fix the SD card access bug? Jul 23 21:12:19 kelvie_work: lol Jul 23 21:12:22 (two when counting rice-rockets which sounds very nice :)) Jul 23 21:12:22 leinirAWAY: oldies Jul 23 21:12:23 funroll-all-loops ;) Jul 23 21:12:33 sparrow, which one? Jul 23 21:12:36 CVirus: Absolutely, and great fun ;) Jul 23 21:12:45 I don't know about sd access bugs Jul 23 21:12:53 great, got a fix with the sd card in Jul 23 21:14:36 ecraven: i get a fix from an attic-room in about 200s when close to the window with an sd card in it Jul 23 21:14:44 mjr - opkg crashing when accessing an SD card on not being able to create a status file, as I seem to recall... I don't have web access atm, so can't check it. Jul 23 21:15:01 Zorkman: seems the software fix is "good enough" Jul 23 21:15:13 i'll have to try what happens if i actually run the system from the sd card Jul 23 21:15:59 Is there any kind of dmalloc equivalent for the neo ? Jul 23 21:16:07 i'm running it from the sd card :) Jul 23 21:16:08 no idea Jul 23 21:16:46 too bad openstreetmaps has only two streets mapped in my town :) Jul 23 21:16:57 Zorkman - Well that would seem to indicate its fixed =) Jul 23 21:16:58 looks like i could boost it by a few thousand procent :) Jul 23 21:17:01 Zorkman: map the others! Jul 23 21:17:13 i'm planning to! Jul 23 21:17:13 that's what i've been doing over the last weeks :) Jul 23 21:17:18 sparrow: You were correct, a series 4000 SIM card works! Jul 23 21:17:27 Yashy - Great =) Jul 23 21:18:12 with the risk of getting clubbed like a helpless seal: are there any plans to be able to use maps from tomtom or other ones? Jul 23 21:18:27 Yashy - I spent about 2hrs with a guy here in Toronto that sells grey market phones. That was the only Rogers one we could get to work every time. Jul 23 21:18:30 those are probably copyrighted Jul 23 21:18:58 yeah but if one already has a tomtom for example, it would be a shame not to be able to use them on this device Jul 23 21:19:14 you'd have to get their software to work Jul 23 21:19:23 well, google for tomtom map readers for linux Jul 23 21:19:30 (i know, probably not allowed.... but the HP48calculator is also "not allowed" if i am correctly -the rom isn't-) Jul 23 21:19:41 if there's already one, it'll probably work. if not, we're unlikely to write one. Jul 23 21:19:50 Zorkman, what's the kernel version of tomtom 2.4? Jul 23 21:20:03 cjb: are you aware that TomTom is a Linux device :o Jul 23 21:20:19 :) Jul 23 21:20:20 hi :) Jul 23 21:20:26 kernel 2.4.18-rmk6 Jul 23 21:20:32 thnx very much for FR Jul 23 21:20:34 it rocks :) Jul 23 21:20:41 Chox: doesn't mean their userspace is open-source or their map format is documented. Jul 23 21:20:55 I know, but thier userspace should run Jul 23 21:21:06 the TomTom binaries have already been made to work on a different distro Jul 23 21:21:10 it should be doable for OpenMoko Jul 23 21:21:11 there you go. Jul 23 21:21:17 check out the Opentom project for more into Jul 23 21:21:20 s/into/info/ Jul 23 21:21:20 bagpuss_thecat meant: check out the Opentom project for more info Jul 23 21:21:27 banzai! Jul 23 21:21:34 Zorkman, there was a program for glin to make old abi work on the new abi of the 2.6 kernel Jul 23 21:21:45 their source code for the OS isn released under GPL license Jul 23 21:22:04 no, but the binaries can still be made to work Jul 23 21:22:07 that's an archaic kernel, mind Jul 23 21:22:19 that looks promissing Gnutoo, but i still have way to much to learn before i can even dream of making it work :) Jul 23 21:22:21 as long as you have OABI support in the kernel, it should be good Jul 23 21:22:43 Zorkman, ok Jul 23 21:22:48 i'll go Jul 23 21:23:18 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * read004f03be9 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: up efl srcdate for illume and vkbd support Jul 23 21:23:18 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r383a5e410b51 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev Jul 23 21:23:18 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r39cc92060d1d 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev Jul 23 21:23:20 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rfdd3a22ff336 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev Jul 23 21:23:23 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r148d482fe33d 10/ (17 files in 14 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev Jul 23 21:24:17 http://opentom.org/Main_Page#The_TomTom_Software.2C_as_published_by_TomTom_B.V. Jul 23 21:24:18 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rdcd753047d18 10/packages/u-boot/ (3 files): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev Jul 23 21:24:18 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r2a1b0a654a89 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): update EFL and illume (to match) where illume has all changes but no internal Jul 23 21:24:18 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r27a0ab4ec24f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up illume version to one without internal kbd Jul 23 21:24:19 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7bc55d206054 10/ (9 files in 8 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev Jul 23 21:24:22 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rd49592333f9d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: update illume to latest working with qtopia keyboard... Jul 23 21:24:48 Hello. I have a problem setting the WPA2 with FR Jul 23 21:25:18 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r81150186a01f 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev Jul 23 21:25:18 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r74f030b661f6 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: upate illume rev Jul 23 21:25:18 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r413ee5c36a60 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev Jul 23 21:28:16 question; how long will it take before the fixes of rasterman become installable with opkg? Jul 23 21:28:36 it is really annoying that i don't have a keyboard in the asu Jul 23 21:38:01 Anyone know where to find the SIM card addressbook so I can copy it to my desktop to edit with a text editor? Jul 23 21:38:07 I've tried ASU. I guess I'll try 2007.2 again Jul 23 21:38:09 lalala Jul 23 21:38:27 ASU can't be that slooooooow Jul 23 21:38:30 sorry Yashy i don't know that Jul 23 21:38:45 mmaestri: could you use agpsui on the ASU? Jul 23 21:39:02 opkg installs it, but i can't find it.... how do I open it? Jul 23 21:39:34 Zorkman: they should be available tomorrow Jul 23 21:39:46 didn't tried. but if you give me a few minutes, I'll try Jul 23 21:39:56 Yashy - I am not sure, but I think that you cannot easy access it. Your best best may be to copy it SIM contact over to your other phone and then download it. Jul 23 21:39:59 thxbumbl and mmaestri Jul 23 21:40:28 Yashy - Thats what I did with my SIM contacts and my a1200 Jul 23 21:41:26 "starting exposure" :) Jul 23 21:41:35 Yashy - Also, if you just changed your SIM, I don't think they copy over contacts from your old SIM. Jul 23 21:43:04 hy i'm testing the sample project in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain and i get the following error: libtool: link: cannot find the library `/space/fic/openmoko-daily/neo1973/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/pango-1.18.3-r0/pango-1.18.3/pango/libpangoft2-1.0.la' or unhandled argument `/space/fic/openmoko-daily/neo1973/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/pango-1.18.3-r0/pango-1.18.3/pango/libpangoft2-1.0.la' Jul 23 21:43:23 any idea Jul 23 21:45:14 My FR finally arrived! Jul 23 21:45:29 chrisc}{i: sorry "i know nothing, I'm from barcelona" Jul 23 21:45:34 congrats Toaster` Jul 23 21:45:51 flash boot and play with it :) Jul 23 21:46:10 That's the plan. What'sthe last decent daily build? Jul 23 21:46:42 the keyboard of the asu is broken, but tomorrow it should be back Jul 23 21:46:48 sparrow: Not sure how I can copy my contacts from my old SIM to my new SIM? Jul 23 21:46:51 2007.2: i recommend the latest immage Jul 23 21:47:09 qtopia: also the latest (4.3?? just pick the one on their site qtopia.net) Jul 23 21:47:12 * Yashy is going back to 2007.2 from qtopia as we speak Jul 23 21:47:13 FSO: no idea :) Jul 23 21:47:23 Debian! Jul 23 21:48:07 the most stable and decent thing i think is the uboot Toaster`, but it's not much fun to carry only that around in your pocket Jul 23 21:48:15 qtopia was pretty but 1) I couldn't find wifi and/or browser 2) it froze on me 3) I couldn't figure out the letter entry, took me 10 minutes to get an "i". Jul 23 21:49:24 Chox - openVMS! ;) Jul 23 21:49:41 yes, but Debian works on it :p Jul 23 21:50:02 Chox - Are you running debian on yours? Jul 23 21:50:04 asu is the only image that reliably makes calls for me Jul 23 21:50:13 yes. but I broke the touchscreen input Jul 23 21:50:26 * Chox planning to update instructions and filesystem for it Jul 23 21:50:27 Well, doesn't seem to be easy to port dmalloc to the freerunner. Jul 23 21:50:36 2007.2 worked for me, have no money on sim at the moment so can not test autgoing calls with asu Jul 23 21:51:13 Yashy - If you have blue tooth on your other phone, place your old sim into it and send them to your laptop/desktop one by one. Jul 23 21:51:25 Zorkman: 2007.2 gives me a bug that was closed as fixed 6 months ago, so i reopened it :) Jul 23 21:51:59 Yashy - They should arrive as vcards. Then you can edit them to be imported onto your fr. Jul 23 21:52:16 sparrow: I don't have a laptop/desktop with bluetooth... can I send from old phone/old sim to FR/new sim? Jul 23 21:52:41 Yashy - I am not sure. I have not played with bluetooth yet on my fr Jul 23 21:53:28 put old sim in old phone - copy contacts to phone memory, swap sims, copy contacts to sim, put new sim back in the fr :) Jul 23 21:53:34 Chox - I have a neo1973 that I was planning on installing debian on. Jul 23 21:53:59 I have many contacts, this is going to be a PITA Jul 23 21:54:06 AntonTakk - That would work ;) Jul 23 21:54:29 Yashy: not really, sim can hold several hundred basic contacts Jul 23 21:55:12 you guys seen openmoko running out of memory before? 2007.2 Jul 23 21:55:16 mmaestri: any luck with agpsui? Jul 23 21:55:39 errr.... are current nightly builds able to handle sending replies to text messages? I believe I just sent two 'blank' ones, not sure what it is I'm doing wrong. :) Jul 23 21:55:40 AntonTakk: I'm saying I have a lot I want to copy from old SIM to new SIM, so if I have to do each one, twice, will be a PITA Jul 23 21:55:50 from an opkg update: Jul 23 21:55:51 xsystem: ERROR: fork failed before execution: `rm -fr /tmp/opkg-TYBl0V Jul 23 21:55:51 ' Jul 23 21:55:51 WARNING: Unable to remove temporary directory: /tmp/opkg-TYBl0V: Cannot allocate memory Jul 23 21:57:12 Someone had that yesterday, trix. Jul 23 21:57:24 Emptying /tmp might workaround Jul 23 21:57:41 Otherwise check the TRAC for bugs & file one if necessary Jul 23 21:58:06 Stroller: thanks for the suggestions will give them a try Jul 23 21:58:35 2.7mb x.log could be part of it Jul 23 21:59:54 Yashy - Most phones provide a copy all contacts. Take a look at your extended options. Jul 23 22:00:43 does campwifi work? Jul 23 22:00:58 it sees two networks, but i can't connect to any of them... Jul 23 22:01:03 sparrow: looking for it now :) Jul 23 22:01:13 (i can't select one, but i can press connect but then nothing happens) Jul 23 22:02:01 ahh there is a "Copy all contacts to phone from SIM" option. nice Jul 23 22:03:30 Yashy: fair warninf - ime that copies name and first phone# only Jul 23 22:03:37 warning* Jul 23 22:04:01 sim contacts aren't quite up to smartphone snuff :) Jul 23 22:04:44 guess i'm gonna flash my asu backup tonight Jul 23 22:04:53 I didn't got phone and gprs working Jul 23 22:05:02 with o2007.2 Jul 23 22:05:03 :/ Jul 23 22:05:11 I used the muxd Jul 23 22:05:24 modify the GSM_DEV in /etc/default/gsmd Jul 23 22:05:33 but it's sloooooooooowwwwww Jul 23 22:05:42 * mmaestri is coming back to 2007.2 right now Jul 23 22:05:47 and the phone never ask me the pin number :/ Jul 23 22:05:49 did you expect gprs to be fast? Jul 23 22:06:03 AntonTakk: I mean that gsmd is slooooooooow Jul 23 22:06:11 hrm Jul 23 22:06:15 odd Jul 23 22:06:19 I know that gprs is not fast ;) Jul 23 22:06:42 does someone succeed in gsm + gprs working in o2007.2 ? Jul 23 22:07:19 for the moment, I succeed in pulseaudio resume when phone going in suspend/resume Jul 23 22:07:22 it's great :) Jul 23 22:07:27 answer tro my own question: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/device-owners/2008-July/001799.html Jul 23 22:08:53 Hello. I try to update FR by opkg Jul 23 22:08:56 hmmm i just rebooted my freerunner and booted again from SD card an now the booting process just hangs... Jul 23 22:09:08 the last line is "Freeing init memory: 128k- Jul 23 22:09:40 Zorkman: reflash the kernel Jul 23 22:10:05 uzytkownik - What issue are you having? Jul 23 22:10:06 mmaestri: i can also not reboot by poressing and hoolding the powerbutton Jul 23 22:10:10 is it safe to remove the battery? Jul 23 22:10:19 so very tired Jul 23 22:10:19 It cannot download signature files - because they do not exists Jul 23 22:10:30 lollertoranados Jul 23 22:10:36 Zorkman: should be safe Jul 23 22:10:38 yes, it's safe Jul 23 22:10:50 just blast it away if it isn't lol Jul 23 22:11:12 mmaestri: * Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.sig, error 404 Jul 23 22:11:14 uzytkownik - Ignore the failures. The ssignature files are broken, but the update should work. Jul 23 22:11:37 s/broken/missing Jul 23 22:12:03 sparrow: It shouldn't be in official repo I guess... Jul 23 22:12:05 just as sparrow said. don't bother, it's ok Jul 23 22:12:29 uzytkownik - I think things are a little fly by night at the moment ;) Jul 23 22:13:12 uzytkownik - You were able to download the Packages.gz files, right? Jul 23 22:13:25 Yes Jul 23 22:14:41 hrm, it seems my usb0 on my desktop can't see the internet, ergo, neither can my FR Jul 23 22:14:59 Toaster`: search the wiki for inspiration. Jul 23 22:15:11 Toaster`: or maybe more usefully, ip_tables Jul 23 22:15:16 SpeedEvil: Already there Jul 23 22:15:58 yo yo yo Jul 23 22:17:06 Toaster`: that statement doesn't make sense. Presumably your desktop can see the internet? usb0 can only see internet if it's physically connected to internet, but you can route. Jul 23 22:18:09 D! Jul 23 22:18:44 In Soviet #openmoko, Dave devours you! Jul 23 22:20:04 Chox - Do you have any of the phone daemons running under debian? Jul 23 22:20:12 no, not tried Jul 23 22:20:47 I think I will give it a shot this weekend. Let you know how it goes if you are interested. Jul 23 22:26:44 Toaster: try this http://hackepedia.org/?title=Neo_freerunner Jul 23 22:27:35 doh Jul 23 22:28:18 Does anyone know how to change tangoGPS to display in MPH rather than KPH Jul 23 22:28:54 export USE_ANTIQUE_MEASUREMENTS="YEA VERILY" Jul 23 22:29:09 lol Jul 23 22:29:10 Isn't only the US and like Madagascar that use MPH? :) Jul 23 22:29:10 tc on the map page, I think there's a config button. Jul 23 22:29:33 and .uk Jul 23 22:29:43 and quite a lot ex .uk colonies Jul 23 22:29:53 which is roughly about 1/3 of the planet :-) Jul 23 22:29:55 I'm in the UK :) Jul 23 22:29:57 tc: it's in the config page Jul 23 22:30:13 tc: look for 'imperial' Jul 23 22:30:37 and DeathStar Jul 23 22:31:19 * Chox laffs at tangogps messages Jul 23 22:31:25 "SHOULD NEVER COME HERE" Jul 23 22:31:35 diversity thinks i'm in dublin :) Jul 23 22:31:40 hmmm.. when I click on config I get to a page starting with the OSM URI and cache then other options Jul 23 22:31:52 I can't see any Imperial/mph settings Jul 23 22:31:54 bagpuss_thecat, hehe, reminds me of this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jej0XyD9IyA Jul 23 22:32:40 "i see it has a metric speedometer, metric no imperial entanglements" Jul 23 22:32:47 tc scroll down Jul 23 22:33:06 tangogps so confused Jul 23 22:34:09 retracile_: inverted zoom, auto download map files, GPSD stuff, start pppd/gprs, "other stuff" and that's it Jul 23 22:34:30 have I got an older version? Jul 23 22:34:32 tc: configure it to drop map tiles on /media/card/maps Jul 23 22:34:52 SpeedEvil: good idea :) Thanks! Jul 23 22:34:58 eeeeeeeeeeeevil Jul 23 22:35:00 Chox :D Jul 23 22:35:31 peepsalot: classic :-) Jul 23 22:36:07 What's the proper way of starting gpsd? Jul 23 22:36:22 /etc/init.d/gpsd start Jul 23 22:36:23 ? Jul 23 22:37:00 'opkg list_installed | grep tango' == tangogps - 0.7-r1 Jul 23 22:37:38 Dave: SHOULD NEVER COME HERE Jul 23 22:37:46 maybe I should install from tangogps.org, current version seems to be 0.9.2 Jul 23 22:38:02 good idea Jul 23 22:38:04 * SpeedEvil tangos tc. Jul 23 22:38:15 Thanks :) Jul 23 22:38:15 * SpeedEvil removes the orange paint. Jul 23 22:38:24 SpeedEvil: put your rubber chicken away Jul 23 22:38:42 :D Jul 23 22:38:47 tagos Jul 23 22:38:50 # /etc/init.d/gpsd start Jul 23 22:38:50 Starting gpsd: No /dev/ttyS3 GPS device, aborting gpsd startup. Check /etc/default/gpsd Jul 23 22:38:53 opkg opgk list | grep qtopia Jul 23 22:39:14 uzytkownik: did you edit the config file? Jul 23 22:39:21 No Jul 23 22:39:28 uzytkownik: you need to edit /etc/default/gpsd and change ttyS3 to ttySAC1 Jul 23 22:39:28 uzytkownik: /dev/ttySAC1 Jul 23 22:39:38 uzy, from the wiki, echo "GPS_DEV=\"/dev/ttySAC1\"" > /etc/default/gpsd Jul 23 22:39:44 uzytkownik: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gpsd#GPS_on_GTA02 Jul 23 22:39:47 QUICK, EVERYONE ANSWER AT ONCE! Jul 23 22:39:56 NO. It's /dev/tty/ttySAC0V3R9000 Jul 23 22:40:17 Dave: I've just been helped so I reckon I should be the first one to help! Jul 23 22:40:20 SpeedEvil: edit the wiki pls :-) Jul 23 22:40:58 anyone succeed in make both phone and gprs working at the same time on o2007.2 ? Jul 23 22:40:59 agpsgui on the ASU says have 1081992448 satellites, who does better? Jul 23 22:41:07 Zorkman: not bad Jul 23 22:41:09 heh Jul 23 22:41:16 for a start.. Jul 23 22:41:18 ./lolcatfilter wiki.openmoko.org Jul 23 22:41:19 oops Jul 23 22:41:26 welcome to the intergalatic fedaration of GPS Jul 23 22:41:33 er Jul 23 22:41:36 the time is also $G:PV:TG, but in the logs ot looks like i have a fix Jul 23 22:41:36 Federation Jul 23 22:41:47 Zorkman: A,3? Jul 23 22:42:23 A,3 ? what do you mean? Jul 23 22:44:26 Zorkman: $GPGSA should tell you something about a,3 Jul 23 22:44:46 puh, I very nearly borked my space key... Jul 23 22:44:51 I would have killed myself :) Jul 23 22:45:03 Can I get tangoGPS to ignore any movement less than 2 kph? Me and my couch apprently moved 200m in the last few minutes! Jul 23 22:45:10 nice Jul 23 22:45:23 tc: i know the feeling Jul 23 22:45:35 feels like dancing ;p Jul 23 22:45:42 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=620188251452001834&q=road+couch&ei=hbSHSKDnEIyarAPgzNm8CA&hl=en Jul 23 22:45:46 haha Jul 23 22:45:50 whats the best pdf viewer right now? Jul 23 22:46:02 Zorkman: haha Jul 23 22:46:57 I have a networking question if someone has the time. Jul 23 22:47:10 don't ask to ask :p Jul 23 22:47:41 what is a good average db.Hz for a clear sky with the GPS? Jul 23 22:47:49 Toaster`: go ahead! Jul 23 22:48:03 Zorkman: ca 135 - 125dBm Jul 23 22:48:09 Toaster`: i still have a little bit of time, but your quetions will only puzzle me Jul 23 22:48:30 I've read the wiki, can connect to my FR, from my FR I can ping both usb0 and eth0 on my PC, but can't hit the router or anything external. Any one else find/resolve this issue? Jul 23 22:48:37 edistar: agpsgui gives me 35db.Hz Jul 23 22:48:50 Toaster`: search the wiki for ip_tables Jul 23 22:49:11 Zorkman: press the bottom left button Jul 23 22:49:15 Zorkman: so that you get dBm Jul 23 22:49:29 speedevil Jul 23 22:49:36 Are you offerring those protective things? Jul 23 22:49:40 screen protectors? Jul 23 22:49:41 Toaster`: use the dnrd server and script on the wiki Jul 23 22:49:43 or freerunner condoms? Jul 23 22:49:57 wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Jul 23 22:49:58 even Jul 23 22:50:00 Dave: yes Jul 23 22:50:04 Cool Jul 23 22:50:10 Are they for sale? :) Jul 23 22:50:14 Dave: tehy are. Jul 23 22:50:49 Do you have an example of the merchandise? Jul 23 22:51:22 SpeedEvil InvisibleShields or some other protectors? Jul 23 22:51:49 * SpeedEvil holds up an invisible thing. Jul 23 22:51:54 Dave: no, they are not. Jul 23 22:52:06 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Shop:Speedevil Jul 23 22:52:11 describes them somewhat fully Jul 23 22:52:22 alphaone: ganz sicher grad? output*10^5 sollte dann grad ergeben? Jul 23 22:52:26 sry.. Jul 23 22:52:51 edistar: Nein, einfach nur Grad sollten das sein Jul 23 22:53:04 alphaone: ok, sry again Jul 23 22:53:46 I'm in france, I've ordered the full protection from zag on 04 july and did not received it Jul 23 22:53:50 is it normal ? Jul 23 22:54:00 what do you think ? Jul 23 22:54:12 ooh la la Jul 23 22:54:15 thanks Jul 23 22:54:27 ricers. Jul 23 22:54:38 I also have 2 discount number, but don't know how to do with them... where could I put them ? Jul 23 22:54:48 /how/what Jul 23 22:54:49 error3 > what full protection, do you have a link ? Jul 23 22:54:50 true, true Jul 23 22:55:05 AciD: the full protection from Zagg... are there many one ? Jul 23 22:55:07 is it Friday yet? Jul 23 22:55:17 invisible shield.. Jul 23 22:55:48 thursday Jul 23 22:55:51 AciD: this one http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/openmoko-neo-freerunner-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php Jul 23 22:55:52 Toaster` I suspect you can't actually ping eth0 on your desktop, the desktop is just faking it. The command "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" tells the desktop to route. If your eth0 is NOT on a 192.168.0.x (note the 0!) subnet then you should simply be able to follow the instructions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking If your eth0 is 192.168.0.x then you need to change some stuff - two different interfaces can' Jul 23 22:56:21 error3: you put the discount code in at checkout Jul 23 22:56:31 invisiblecat Jul 23 22:56:38 invisiblebicycle Jul 23 22:56:49 gn Jul 23 22:56:57 error3 > thx for the link Jul 23 22:57:13 Stroller: I've already by and received 2 discount code... I think someone could want them... I don't know where put them for making someone using it Jul 23 22:57:21 Stroller: Am I clearer ? Jul 23 22:57:27 Ah! Excuse me. Jul 23 22:57:29 is there any way to acquire the gps "alpha" fix? Jul 23 22:57:30 ;) Jul 23 22:58:00 and my numbers will be invalid on 04 august Jul 23 22:58:02 trix: update kernel. Jul 23 22:58:05 People are posting them to community, but it kinda clutters the list. There are plenty enough to go around. I just wait until someone here needs one, then PM them. Jul 23 22:58:09 so they are prioritaire :) Jul 23 22:58:12 Speedevil, are there any available yet, or thoughts for a whole device protector of sorts? Jul 23 22:58:19 ok Jul 23 22:58:23 even if it's thin. Jul 23 22:58:23 prophylactic! Jul 23 22:58:27 thanks Stroller :) Jul 23 22:58:30 or does that sound completely silly? Jul 23 22:58:31 cjb, i've done an opkg update/upgrade, is that fix in place? Jul 23 22:58:43 error3: someone suggested starting a wiki page, which I don't think is a bad idea. Take a code from the top, add yours to the bottom Jul 23 22:58:57 ok Jul 23 22:59:00 good idea :) Jul 23 22:59:05 Stroller: and do you think it is normal that I haven't receive my protection since I've ordered it on 04 july Jul 23 22:59:12 trix: if you've rebooted, should be Jul 23 22:59:17 trix: you can check with cat /proc/version Jul 23 22:59:27 Actually there's someone commenting on that on -community, too Jul 23 22:59:29 trix: should say no earlier than Jul 20 Jul 23 22:59:51 Mine is also well overdue, error3, but apparently some people have received them Jul 23 22:59:59 ok Jul 23 23:00:04 Dave, you might check out http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/cell-phone/openmoko Jul 23 23:00:14 Stroller: thank you very much :) Jul 23 23:00:22 cjb, thanks, checking now Jul 23 23:00:45 Dave: I'd suggest http://www.freemanharding.co.uk/preserving.htm - waterproof too. Jul 23 23:00:55 mmm Jul 23 23:01:14 rofl speedevil Jul 23 23:01:47 you should brand that the whole device protector, mark it up at least 300% and you're good to go Jul 23 23:05:35 cjb, Jul 23 on the kernel version, no good gps fixes though Jul 23 23:05:57 Does standard GPSd take advantage of AGPS? Jul 23 23:06:12 nno Jul 23 23:06:35 mjr, How do I take advantage of the AGPS other than the "Openmoko AGPS UI" Jul 23 23:06:50 I'm not sure that that does either Jul 23 23:07:12 Speedevil, you're trying to sell me a jar? Jul 23 23:07:34 Stroller: well... here's my first try of the wiki page for discount number on wiki Jul 23 23:07:37 :) Jul 23 23:07:48 my first real contribution to openmoko community :) Jul 23 23:08:05 there was some how to page about agps and gprs setup but I don't recall the address Jul 23 23:08:10 by somebody here, in any case Jul 23 23:09:08 so Speedevil, your comments on that zagg thing was that it was a pos? Jul 23 23:09:24 or only protects against minor scratches or something (which makes sense) Jul 23 23:09:27 and dirt, of course :P Jul 23 23:09:31 Dave: I have no comments, never having used their product. (other than in voodoo representations) Jul 23 23:09:42 hrm Jul 23 23:09:51 does campwifi normally work? i cant select a network Jul 23 23:10:00 Zorkman: it worked once for me Jul 23 23:10:05 but I wouldn't rely on it Jul 23 23:10:05 good question Jul 23 23:10:10 it seems really buggy to me Jul 23 23:10:29 and the narrow button at the bottom is really unuseable ;) Jul 23 23:10:33 error3: URL? Jul 23 23:10:38 *unusable Jul 23 23:10:42 Have you ever seen this message during boot where it says something like "very bad programmer. spank spank spak. Now go fix the error"? Jul 23 23:11:06 lol Jul 23 23:11:09 Stroller: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Zagg_Protection_Discount_Number Jul 23 23:11:16 it's just a first draft Jul 23 23:11:26 zandini_: yep, the usual efl errors Jul 23 23:11:27 feel free to improve it Jul 23 23:11:30 don't worry Jul 23 23:11:55 how are you managing the wlan settings? Jul 23 23:12:21 on 2007.2 Jul 23 23:13:38 Stroller: it should be great to add the page in the good category Jul 23 23:13:44 but I'm not good enough Jul 23 23:13:46 edistar, what is efl? Jul 23 23:13:58 and I really have no more time for this night to spend on it :/ Jul 23 23:14:16 I'll try to do it tomorrow i Jul 23 23:14:56 error3: looks fine. What category should it be in? Jul 23 23:16:14 Stroller: .... mmm Freerunner accessories ? Jul 23 23:16:19 no ? Jul 23 23:16:24 or something like that Jul 23 23:17:25 voooodoooo Jul 23 23:17:34 wall of. Jul 23 23:18:45 good mjr :) Jul 23 23:18:45 zandini_: the libs that e17 is based on.. Jul 23 23:19:02 zandini_: and e17 is the wm of the ASU image Jul 23 23:19:22 zandini_: you might have heard of illume, that's the module that makes e17 look the way it does in ASU Jul 23 23:19:25 oh really? I thought that OM2007.2 didn't use e17. Jul 23 23:19:35 zandini_: ASU, nur 2007.2 Jul 23 23:19:39 s/nur/not Jul 23 23:19:43 error3: I don't see that category Jul 23 23:20:04 Stroller: perhaps we should add one Jul 23 23:20:05 zandini_: are you running 2007.2? Jul 23 23:20:09 where we put Jul 23 23:20:15 edistar, yeah.. that's the thing.. I thought I compiled & flashed OM2007 :-D Jul 23 23:20:19 zagg protection, HR car holder Jul 23 23:20:20 and so on Jul 23 23:20:23 zandini_: what's the image called? Jul 23 23:20:43 zandini_: hehe, is it all black or is it orange etc? Jul 23 23:20:45 how do you delete with the ASU keyboard? All I see is text Jul 23 23:20:54 FreoNeo: swipe to the left Jul 23 23:20:58 edistar, Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080723-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Jul 23 23:21:10 zandini_: okey, that's 2007.2 alright.. Jul 23 23:21:16 zandini_: when do you get those errors/ Jul 23 23:21:17 ? Jul 23 23:21:18 and a skip to the right Jul 23 23:21:21 mjr: are those your discount codes, or did you get them from somewhere else? Jul 23 23:21:21 let's do the time warp again Jul 23 23:21:43 edistar, during the first boot up after flashing. Dang. I wish I took a screenshot. Jul 23 23:21:53 or take a picture. Jul 23 23:21:57 zandini_: aaaah! that's exquisite Jul 23 23:22:07 zandini_: the psplash replacement Jul 23 23:22:10 edistar, and symbols? Jul 23 23:22:19 FreoNeo: symbol? no symbol Jul 23 23:22:30 FreoNeo: just swipe a considerable distance Jul 23 23:22:37 from right to left Jul 23 23:22:37 thanks Jul 23 23:22:57 zandini_: exquisite is written with efl libs too.. Jul 23 23:23:08 edistar, is 2007.2 still being worked on? Or has everyone moved to ASU and/or Qtopia? Jul 23 23:23:10 zandini_: those lovely boots, right? Jul 23 23:23:14 error3: I would propose discussion on the documentation mailing list before adding a category Jul 23 23:23:16 edistar, yeah :-) Jul 23 23:23:24 zandini_: OM is only working on ASU Jul 23 23:23:29 and FSO.. Jul 23 23:23:52 zandini_: but there is the SHR project that aims to port all the dialer/sms apps to FSO and stick to 2007.2 gui Jul 23 23:24:33 edistar, I see. So if I wanted to work on bleeding edge OM, I should focus on ASU then? Jul 23 23:25:00 zandini_: depends on what you want to work? Jul 23 23:25:53 zandini_: *work on Jul 23 23:25:54 edistar, I want to make a customized OM image with some custom default graphics and maybe additionl apps. Jul 23 23:26:04 zandini_: okey, use ASU then Jul 23 23:27:28 edistar, Thanks :-) Is QT/Qtopia the way that OM is moving toward now? Jul 23 23:28:46 zandini_: I think that OM will drop qtopia as soon as possible ;) Jul 23 23:29:01 which doesn't mean that you can't use qt apps, just that the middleware won't be qtopia Jul 23 23:29:31 they are working on a middleware called FSO right now and it is looking very promising.. (I'm using a tiny part myself right now) Jul 23 23:29:45 communication is done via dbus, very intelligent approach Jul 23 23:29:59 * Zorkman sets himself in amp -s and hopes he doesn't bleed to death overnight Jul 23 23:30:04 goodnight everyone Jul 23 23:30:14 Zorkman: watch out for memory leaks ;) Jul 23 23:30:17 Zorkman: good night Jul 23 23:32:24 FSO sounds interesting. It seems that FSO currently only supports QT though. Jul 23 23:33:41 I tried out the qtopia image from qtopia.net, and it seems pretty fast & stable.. Is the OM still planning to use GTK as the main application toolkit? Or is QT looking more promising? Jul 23 23:33:49 lol they took the button out to bring up a keyboard in teh ASU but never finished the stuff so it automatically pops up again lol Jul 23 23:36:45 zandini_: I think they abandoned GTK more or less Jul 23 23:37:04 n8@all Jul 23 23:37:26 I see... Jul 23 23:38:32 zandini_: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080522-openmoko-linux-mobile-phone-ditches-gtk-gets-qt-and-e17.html Jul 23 23:39:10 which is good news for me because I know Qt like the back of my hand :P Jul 23 23:42:11 Where can we get a development environment with Qt? Jul 23 23:44:11 http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ <-- I found this helpful. Jul 23 23:44:36 Essentially, the strategy is to be UI-agnostic for 3rd party applications. Jul 23 23:46:28 headphones don't work on my phone Jul 23 23:46:39 still plays thing out of the speakers when I plug them in Jul 23 23:51:55 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r240305fdd021 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): update efl and illume Jul 24 00:03:46 is it just me? or is the enlightenment cvs server always down? Jul 24 00:09:07 When the software fix for GPS will be avaible? Jul 24 00:13:55 has anyone had any luck getting wifi (wpa) to work in Qtopia? Jul 24 00:14:49 uzytkownik: it's already available in the latest kernel Jul 24 00:15:34 at least the powering down of the sd controller in idle is, I'm not sure if switching it to drive mode 0 by default is done yet Jul 24 00:15:48 or if it's actually going to be done or not Jul 24 00:16:33 Elleo: 2.6.24+git24+be0f111b3d1570dec174ff301d08bad995ccf1e6-r0 is new enough? Jul 24 00:17:05 If yes how to set it up (or if this is ok why GPS do not work) Jul 24 00:18:19 uzytkownik: that's today's kernel isn't it? Jul 24 00:18:29 if so it's new enough, the patch was introduced a few days ago Jul 24 00:18:41 Yes Jul 24 00:18:46 install openmoko-agpsui and try getting a fix Jul 24 00:19:07 agpsui gets fails only Jul 24 00:19:15 are you trying this outside? Jul 24 00:19:46 because GPS doesn't generally work terribly well within buildings Jul 24 00:20:03 It might be a problem Jul 24 00:20:10 it can usually manage once the first fix is acquired, but for the first fix y ou need a fairly decent signal Jul 24 00:20:19 so need to be outside Jul 24 00:20:23 or at least near a window Jul 24 00:20:33 but outside would be preferable Jul 24 00:20:53 As it is 2:20 AM here I'll try tomorrow morning (but I'm a meter from window on the top floor) Jul 24 00:22:31 a meter from a window isn't likely to be good enough, you'd need to be standing right next to the window to get any reasonable enough amount of sky to hope to have some satellites in view Jul 24 00:22:45 but trying outside would definitely be better Jul 24 00:23:09 Elleo: Ok. I was afraid something is broken (well - more deeply than it is) Jul 24 00:23:24 I'll try tomorrow Jul 24 00:23:28 good luck :) Jul 24 00:23:48 Thanks. Good bye Jul 24 00:26:57 Anyone have any luck with the wifi and wep on the stock image "2008424-om-gta02" Jul 24 00:27:10 I tried everything on the wiki, but still not having any luck. Jul 24 00:27:28 my ap shows up when I do a iwlist eth0 scan Jul 24 00:27:43 my linux laptop can connect to it just fine.. Jul 24 00:28:12 iwconfig shows the correct encryption key as well.. Jul 24 00:59:25 heya Jul 24 01:02:27 hi Jul 24 01:04:27 hi Jul 24 01:05:34 yo, homies Jul 24 01:06:41 anyone know of a way to restart a defunct phone-kit? Jul 24 01:08:35 plz elaborate Jul 24 01:08:44 Is OM2007.2 going to be dumped? Jul 24 01:09:04 I believe eventually Jul 24 01:09:13 well, it seems the reason I can't make/receive calls or sms with 2007.2 is because phone-kit is becoming a zombie Jul 24 01:09:19 Ah, I see Jul 24 01:09:27 What would be the best platform to develop on? Jul 24 01:10:10 which, with a bit more checking, i found that my mom's sim works fine with 2007.2, while mine only works with ASU and posibly FSO Jul 24 01:10:15 So if you reboot the phone, AntonTakk, does it work? Or does the process become zombie again? Jul 24 01:10:22 zombie's again Jul 24 01:10:29 Interesting Jul 24 01:10:36 but it seems to be a software bug effected by sim Jul 24 01:10:47 Sargun_screen: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions Jul 24 01:10:50 since both sims work, just not with the same images Jul 24 01:10:57 Sargun_screen: yeah ... the #1 question for new developers, without a clear answer ... it's disappointing. Jul 24 01:11:32 Sargun_screen: i'd say it depends on what kind of time frame you are looking at for development Jul 24 01:11:32 AntonTakk: my Freerunner isn't up & running right now, but isn't it some script in /etc/init.d ? Jul 24 01:11:55 russellb: what makes you say the answer is unclear? Jul 24 01:12:09 Stroller: no, it seems to be started by...one sec, let me look Jul 24 01:12:19 Stroller: development is a bit fragmented from my newcomer point of view :) Jul 24 01:12:21 Remember that 2007.2, ASU, FSO are all builds off Openembedded Jul 24 01:13:35 russellb: AIUI there's no development on 2007.2, ASU is "stable" and FSO is "unstable". It's pretty much as simple as that Jul 24 01:14:35 I would say FSO is unstable exactly, FSO is just a demo of the freesmartphone.org standards, it'd probably be more reasonable to say that SHR is "unstable" (or will be) Jul 24 01:14:45 wouldn't say* Jul 24 01:15:00 ASU, not yet "released", is the "stable" release? Jul 24 01:15:07 I'll agree that it's no obvious Jul 24 01:15:13 and ASU is pretty unstable Jul 24 01:15:21 Elleo: that has been my experience .. Jul 24 01:15:30 Well, that was a big generalisation Jul 24 01:15:42 but if you're developing something that isn't a core application it doesn't really matter too much what you target Jul 24 01:15:49 since your app will run on any of them Jul 24 01:15:50 But the impression I have is that this is pretty much what they're working towards Jul 24 01:16:18 if you're doing something that requires integration with e.g. contacts, or the dailer, or similar then it might be best to make it work with FSO Jul 24 01:16:24 Stroller: it appears neod starts phone-kit Jul 24 01:16:39 since I believe the standards being defined by that are the way the project is moving for that sort of thing Jul 24 01:17:58 What's preventing ASU from shipping? Jul 24 01:18:17 FSO is the "Alpha, but blue sky" stack, right? Jul 24 01:18:22 it's still undergoing heavy development Jul 24 01:18:47 FSO is just a demo stack for the freesmartphone.org standards Jul 24 01:19:09 it's supposed to be very stable Jul 24 01:19:12 it just doesn't do very much Jul 24 01:19:18 Elleo: so, FSO isn't designed for production? Jul 24 01:19:31 it's pretty much just a dialer Jul 24 01:19:51 Ok. Jul 24 01:20:00 not really, the FSO standards will be integrated in to the SHR release Jul 24 01:20:36 at the moment 2007.2 probably gives the best balance of stability and functionality if you want something that just works Jul 24 01:20:51 Elleo: but basically everything will be dropped and FSO will be the ultimate end behaviour Jul 24 01:21:15 Elleo: After some amount of time. Jul 24 01:21:17 ASU's gradually getting there (I use it for my phone now) but you have to be willing to occassionally fix stuff Jul 24 01:21:40 it's not so much that the existing dialers will be dropped I don't think Jul 24 01:22:11 more that they'll incorporate the FSO standards Jul 24 01:22:39 SHR is the end target Jul 24 01:23:08 shr is asu+fso, or gtk+fso? Jul 24 01:23:22 er Jul 24 01:23:27 2007.2+fso Jul 24 01:23:55 hm, I'll develop on FSO, or I'll contribute to FSO Jul 24 01:24:08 h Jul 24 01:24:10 m Jul 24 01:24:18 * Chocky also considering where to contribute Jul 24 01:24:28 Sargun_screen: asu is going to be the first "consumer" software stack, but fso will eventually replace it Jul 24 01:24:32 SHR is ASU+GTK+FSO, but you have to realise that by FSO they don't mean the current distriution labelled FSO, they mean the standards FSO represents Jul 24 01:24:50 FSO == freesmartphone.org Jul 24 01:24:54 Elleo: right Jul 24 01:24:55 which defines an API Jul 24 01:25:02 the FSO distro is just a demo of that API Jul 24 01:25:05 indeed, high standards and expectations :o Jul 24 01:25:24 that API will eventually be implemented by whatever dialer, messaging, etc. ends up in SHR Jul 24 01:25:30 Wow. Jul 24 01:25:31 almost better to get in at ground floor of development Jul 24 01:25:32 which is the main thing being developed on fso, is the dbus api implementation and the back-end services/etc Jul 24 01:25:39 but it may well not be the dialer that's implemented in the FSO distro Jul 24 01:25:50 Wait, for FSO, are all the servers seperate processers? Jul 24 01:25:54 processes Jul 24 01:26:23 Sargun_screen: well, as I see it, there is no reason to combine say gsmd and gpsd Jul 24 01:26:53 and neod does some rather disparate things, AFACIS Jul 24 01:26:58 AFAICS Jul 24 01:26:59 so I would certainly thing think there would be some separation of duties on the back end Jul 24 01:32:34 moo. Jul 24 01:35:44 moo. Jul 24 01:35:58 d. Jul 24 01:37:07 meepmeep Jul 24 01:37:45 c. Jul 24 01:42:14 Friday yet? Jul 24 01:42:22 awesome! usb, wifi, gps work! Not so awesome, SMS and cell doesn't seem to :/ Jul 24 01:42:30 aw. Jul 24 01:44:51 It detects the SIM no problem, and it even had the network once... but nothing now Jul 24 01:45:29 TTFF for GPS was 33s as well, SD card in. Jul 24 01:45:32 sounds like a bug. Jul 24 01:46:24 maybe, I'll keep poking at it Jul 24 01:47:37 Anyone know which package contains the icons for the openmoko applications such as the Dialer? I'm just seeing X's and not the icons... Jul 24 01:47:56 see the getting started guide. there's some extra stuff you need. Jul 24 01:48:04 and your , key is stuck ;-) Jul 24 01:48:09 er, . key Jul 24 01:48:13 me? Jul 24 01:48:17 yes. Jul 24 01:48:32 you, DeDavy Jones Jul 24 01:48:44 hehe. what do you mean my key is stuc? Jul 24 01:48:47 * stuck Jul 24 01:48:57 Well, you typed 3 of them instead of 1. Jul 24 01:49:22 Who, whast? Jul 24 01:49:28 moose! Jul 24 01:49:59 I typed 3 of what...? Jul 24 01:50:04 Oh, .'s ? Jul 24 01:50:05 hehe Jul 24 01:50:06 there is nothing wrong with that ... Jul 24 01:50:29 uh huh. Jul 24 01:50:41 :P Jul 24 01:50:54 I reinstalled gpe-icons and didn't fix it. Jul 24 01:51:26 well anyway, my advice remains. Although I think that's mainly relevant to the media player. Jul 24 01:51:53 I just read gpe-icons as a possible package on Getting Started wiki page. Jul 24 01:54:44 Any other suggestions on packages? Jul 24 01:54:44 :) Jul 24 01:56:23 lalala Jul 24 01:59:16 So, no one knows which package contains the icons? Jul 24 01:59:24 I'm just seeing X's instead of the icons. Jul 24 01:59:33 chilly! Jul 24 01:59:42 I wasn't referring to any package, but an explicit download on the getting started page Jul 24 02:03:29 Chocky: Are you talking about the mediaplayer download? I don't need the mediaplayer download, but I need the to know the package for the default icons for openmoko. Jul 24 02:03:37 nice my sweety is shipped allready Jul 24 02:03:43 i ordered yesterday Jul 24 02:07:13 From those who have ordered the freerunner, is the real phone any faster than the QEMU image? my laptop is pretty quick and this is still awfully slow Jul 24 02:07:18 Which is the best build for using the FR as a phone? I need to see if I have software or a SIM issue Jul 24 02:08:10 prjktdtnt: yes, the phone is typically MUCH faster then qemu Jul 24 02:08:18 prjktdtnt: it's a little slow, but it doesn't matter because the functionality at present is so basic. :P Jul 24 02:08:29 there have been some slow builds, but its getting better Jul 24 02:08:52 nullpuppy: thank heaven. if the real phone was as slow as QEMU I would be looking at a different phone and not even drooling over this one anymore Jul 24 02:09:01 stroller: thanks for the info also :) Jul 24 02:09:03 yeah, no kidding Jul 24 02:09:34 I've been drooling since I first found out about the 1973 but haven't had the money, which i still don't but I'm trying to save as fast as I can Jul 24 02:09:35 Toaster`_: look at the sim card. does it say "3G" on it anywhere? Jul 24 02:10:28 Toaster`_: if so, you're going to have to get a different sim, or wait for legal things to be worked out Jul 24 02:10:42 prjktdtnt: same here. only reason i didn't get the 1973 was i heard the freerunner was gonna have wifi and thought it was gonna be released sooner then it was. Jul 24 02:10:59 the fr isn't the best phone in the world, but overall i'm happy with it. Jul 24 02:11:15 nullpuppy: i do like the added features of the freerunner for sure. I just need to be able, for now anyway, to call people and send SMS Jul 24 02:11:19 looking forward to the next one, but glad i bought it anyways Jul 24 02:11:25 if the FR can do those two things then I'm sold Jul 24 02:11:34 prjktdtnt: yup, those two things are very possible. Jul 24 02:11:48 battery life still pretty much sucks, but the qtopia.net image is decent Jul 24 02:11:50 what's the next phone going to be like? Jul 24 02:11:53 just dont' get much else Jul 24 02:12:12 my battery life has improved with qtopia.net as they are including the mwester patch Jul 24 02:12:13 chillywilly: bigger, better, faster? not sure exactly Jul 24 02:12:19 awesome. I intend to eventually use it to remote-administer linux servers as finding a hotspot for my laptop is rather annoying Jul 24 02:12:28 supposed to have a camera iirc Jul 24 02:12:31 ozzloy: Nope, no 3G, but I can pop in to the store and see about trying another one. Jul 24 02:12:34 I'd like a slide out keyboard and a stylus holder...that's all really Jul 24 02:12:44 chillywilly: awesome, qtopia alseo seems to suspend better Jul 24 02:12:44 I like the phone the way it is for the most part Jul 24 02:12:50 yes, it does Jul 24 02:13:13 yeah, keyboard and stylus holder would be awesome Jul 24 02:13:29 probably won't see that until gta04 or 05 though ;) Jul 24 02:14:28 yea...I am kind of jealous of those at work who have windows mobile phone with full slide out keyboards and a stylus w/ holder slot in the case Jul 24 02:14:41 bastids ;) Jul 24 02:14:44 hehe Jul 24 02:14:56 chillywilly: yeah, but windows mobile kills it for me Jul 24 02:15:02 yes Jul 24 02:15:44 qtopia has its limitations as well Jul 24 02:15:56 yeah Jul 24 02:15:57 can't install and run any X apps Jul 24 02:16:10 where are SMS messages stored on the phone? Jul 24 02:16:12 Toaster`_: hmm Jul 24 02:16:14 qtopia has pretty good potential at bridging the gap at least for general purpose Jul 24 02:16:30 Toaster`_: i have no idea. that is an incredibly good question Jul 24 02:16:34 wassssuppppy Jul 24 02:16:39 the FSO screenshots look nice even if it is a "test" UI Jul 24 02:16:48 yeah Jul 24 02:16:54 i like the not yet implemented buttons Jul 24 02:18:12 is there a specific mailing list for asu developers? Jul 24 02:18:15 I initially thought they were on the SIM, but it's now out and there is still a "One new message" indicator, and I want to see if there is null message somewhere there shouldn't be. Jul 24 02:18:58 Toaster`_: yeah, if they were stored on the sim i'd think the several taht were still on my razr would show up there Jul 24 02:18:59 I wonder if I can figure out how to tansfer my old contacts to my SIM so I can have them available on qtopia Jul 24 02:19:10 from my old phone that is Jul 24 02:19:26 chillywilly: should be an option in the contacts list to select where they're are stored Jul 24 02:19:38 will probably have to change each one individually though Jul 24 02:20:53 is there anything special needed to get tangogps to work in asu? Jul 24 02:21:12 SirBob1701: gtk? Jul 24 02:21:22 i think thats the major portion of the puzzle. Jul 24 02:21:29 beyond that, i'm not sure Jul 24 02:21:34 its in. needed to make a special .desktop for it. i mean it just doesn't appear to see gpsd Jul 24 02:21:46 is gpsd running? Jul 24 02:21:51 or installed at all for that matter? Jul 24 02:21:58 ya i have a lock with agpsui Jul 24 02:22:02 ok Jul 24 02:22:03 hmm Jul 24 02:22:13 tried gpspipe? Jul 24 02:22:15 i did the /dev/default/gpsd too Jul 24 02:22:22 gpspipe? Jul 24 02:22:35 anyone know how to flash qemu with the qtopia images? Jul 24 02:22:37 opkg install gps-utils ; gpspipe -r 127.0.0.1 2947 Jul 24 02:22:45 heh Jul 24 02:22:53 that should give you the same output as the log tab in agpsui Jul 24 02:23:02 ok nullpuppy i'll try it thanks Jul 24 02:23:08 no prob Jul 24 02:23:17 i can use openmoko image in qemu but haven't found instructions on qtopia in qemu Jul 24 02:23:52 prjktdtnt: you need to change the config file for qemu Jul 24 02:24:01 can't remember where it is offhand, one moment Jul 24 02:24:07 is there a wiki page for it yet? Jul 24 02:24:29 gpspipe: could not connect to gpsd 127.0.0.1:2947, Connection refused(111) Jul 24 02:24:48 SirBob1701: ok. try /etc/init.d/gpsd start Jul 24 02:24:52 ok Jul 24 02:25:24 prjktdtnt: build/qemu/openmoko/env Jul 24 02:25:31 still get the refused Jul 24 02:25:58 that file has the info on what stuff to use when flashing it. then i think you just need to make sure the packages are in the right directory and run flash.sh Jul 24 02:26:06 SirBob1701: hmm Jul 24 02:26:20 SirBob1701: cat /dev/ttySAC1 ? Jul 24 02:26:51 nullpuppy: ya its pumping out gps data Jul 24 02:27:05 huh. wtf then Jul 24 02:27:09 hmm Jul 24 02:27:21 * nullpuppy wonders if gpsd has other dependancies or something Jul 24 02:27:29 what do you have in /etc/defaults/gpsd? Jul 24 02:27:39 nullpuppy: I'm still trying to get the hang of things with QEMU yet so reading that file looks a little bit like greek to me lol Jul 24 02:27:45 i'm suppose to ahve /dev/default/gpsd with GPS_DEV="/etc/ttySAC1" right Jul 24 02:27:59 prjktdtnt: hehe, yeah, i only messed with it a little bit. Jul 24 02:28:07 SirBob1701: yeah, that looks right. Jul 24 02:32:27 do you update the u-boot from the NOR flash as well? Jul 24 02:32:35 via dfu-util Jul 24 02:32:37 yup Jul 24 02:32:41 only the nand uboot though Jul 24 02:32:49 right Jul 24 02:33:00 well I have a debug board but I don't want a crash course in it ;) Jul 24 02:33:29 nullpuppy: huh reeboot worked Jul 24 02:33:39 SirBob1701: woot Jul 24 02:33:40 wierd Jul 24 02:33:48 very Jul 24 02:33:58 chillywilly: even if you fsck it up, you can fix it without the dboard Jul 24 02:34:07 the NOR is a failsafe fall back Jul 24 02:34:23 therefor you can't brick it without the dboard ;) Jul 24 02:34:34 I know, but I don't want to learn how to use the debug board just because I broke something ;) Jul 24 02:34:44 * nullpuppy nods Jul 24 02:34:48 so I want be screwing with the NOR Jul 24 02:34:48 but you won't have to ;) Jul 24 02:34:52 thats the beauty of it Jul 24 02:35:31 won't Jul 24 02:36:29 chillywilly: btw, i swear i recognize your nick from somewhere.. did you hang out in #fnr/#wopn/#freematrix many years ago? Jul 24 02:36:55 yea all except #freematrix Jul 24 02:37:01 alright, awesome. Jul 24 02:37:04 never heard of that channel Jul 24 02:37:23 #freematrix was the last attempt at keeping the project alive Jul 24 02:37:40 oh Jul 24 02:38:24 I did a recording with my son and they played it on the air one time Jul 24 02:38:31 awesome :) Jul 24 02:38:49 chillypuppy Jul 24 02:39:22 ? Jul 24 02:39:25 it was basically a "...and you're listening to freenode radio" type plug Jul 24 02:39:31 cool Jul 24 02:39:36 Is the NOR memory on the freerunner hardwired to be read-only no matter what? Jul 24 02:39:39 hah Jul 24 02:39:56 nite613: not that i know of, but only modifiable with the dboard Jul 24 02:40:03 I wonder if I still have that audio file around some where Jul 24 02:40:10 and does anyone know a stack/software combo to get wifi + SIP? Jul 24 02:40:37 hmm. i might. i had all that stuff at one point, not sure what i had that was left over form fnr though Jul 24 02:40:42 Interesting; I can receive sms texts from my carriers website, but I can't make/receive sms texts or phone calls Jul 24 02:42:57 I blame gang violence Jul 24 02:43:48 yo... anyone around? Jul 24 02:44:20 trying ASU for the first time today Jul 24 02:44:32 nice to see something actually using the awesome E17 Jul 24 02:47:44 any idea why I don't have he "qwerty" button in today's build? Jul 24 02:48:02 jtickle: they took it out Jul 24 02:48:15 jtickle: but didn't get the pop up fully working Jul 24 02:48:37 you can renenable that button if you look in mailing list. but i wasn't happy with the build's stability Jul 24 02:49:07 anyone here gotten invisible shields? Jul 24 02:50:00 ah, thanks Jul 24 02:50:14 I'm pretty new to the community... where are the mailing lists? Jul 24 02:50:22 oh Jul 24 02:50:22 google Jul 24 02:50:24 lists.openmoko.org Jul 24 02:50:24 lists.openmoko.org Jul 24 02:50:24 never mind lol Jul 24 02:50:26 thanks Jul 24 02:50:28 r google lol Jul 24 02:51:26 i really need a book on ui design lol Jul 24 02:53:33 Hey folks, does anyone know of an easy way to preload a groups of map for a city via tangoGPS? Jul 24 02:53:59 yes. Jul 24 02:54:01 sparrow: just center on the area, click and select download map Jul 24 02:54:14 tap once on the screen with the city in view, and 'map download' Jul 24 02:56:09 whee Jul 24 02:57:01 oh yeah Jul 24 02:57:19 is there some theme pack I can install (or something like that) so that tangogps is usable on ASU? Jul 24 02:57:27 I was pretty impressed with it on the stock image Jul 24 02:57:42 So can OpenMoko support MMS as well as SMS service? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 24 02:59:56 2008