**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 27 02:59:57 2008 Jul 27 03:06:25 huh, interesting: Jul 27 03:06:26 git fetch git://www.denx.de/git/u-boot.git/ master failed with signal 127, output: Jul 27 03:06:26 git: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.0.9.7: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Permission denied Jul 27 03:17:14 cjb: what distro Jul 27 03:17:37 cjb: libcrypto is from openssl Jul 27 03:39:28 * thewtex finishes updating the 'Booting from SD' wiki page ... for now Jul 27 03:52:33 I exec "dbus-launch gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/ Jul 27 03:52:33 poky/interface/small_clock true" but nothing happen, I already export dbus Jul 27 04:04:23 do opkg updates update the nand uboot? Jul 27 04:04:30 upgrades i mean Jul 27 04:08:36 is the a big advantage to doing ext3 on microsd? Jul 27 04:10:08 ChandleWEi: did you restart x after the change? Jul 27 04:10:10 peepsalot: No - the uboot can only be updated with dfu-util at this time. Jul 27 04:10:26 kd8ikt: yes Jul 27 04:10:29 hm Jul 27 04:11:42 peepsalot: note a whole lot that I can think of. If you want to share the microsd with another device, just use FAT. If not, use ext3. Jul 27 04:12:09 but i'll need to update uboot for ext3, right? Jul 27 04:12:36 Are you booting from the microsd? Jul 27 04:12:58 i would like to Jul 27 04:13:13 i just got an 8gb microsd, about to format it Jul 27 04:13:23 I haven't played with microsd booting, so I can't really say. Jul 27 04:13:35 I have updated my u-boot with dfu-util and it wasn't a big deal. Jul 27 04:13:42 wanted to have a couple extra partitions for trying out qtopia, ASU, FSO, etc. Jul 27 04:13:57 Just make sure you run the commands from the wiki as root on your host system. Jul 27 04:15:34 ext3 has support for symlinks, device files, user/group permissions, etc which are required if you want to use it as a root filesystem, but not very useful for general storage. Jul 27 04:18:42 peepsalot: issues with SDHC Jul 27 04:18:56 peepsalot: at the moment Jul 27 04:18:57 can i use it w/ my bt headset yet? Jul 27 04:19:06 peepsalot: probably won't work Jul 27 04:19:07 to play music? Jul 27 04:25:03 I have a QT program I use a lot. I read that porting a QT program to qtopia is easy.. does anyone have any advice for me for porting to ASU for my freerunner? Jul 27 04:25:06 thewtex, which issues? Jul 27 04:27:24 peepsalot: I put a link at the top of the 'Booting from SD' page from the thread on the mailing list -- bad stuff about not recognizing partitions, deleting files, deleting MBRs Jul 27 04:28:38 what qualifies as sdhc? Jul 27 04:28:42 I figured I'd just make up one of these 'bitbake' files.. or something... I wonder if I will need to patch anything? Jul 27 04:29:44 is 1gb sdhc? Jul 27 04:30:24 peepsalot: Pretty sure any size can be SDHC, but over 4GB it's required. Jul 27 04:30:46 peepsalot: It'll say right on the card, generally. Jul 27 04:30:51 ok Jul 27 04:33:30 So uh.. no one has any advice on porting software to my phone? Jul 27 04:33:36 Any links to articles or anything? Jul 27 04:34:40 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain Jul 27 04:35:13 That works :) Jul 27 04:46:11 hi Jul 27 04:46:25 ew man has my computer gotten dirty Jul 27 04:46:32 files all over the place Jul 27 04:46:45 i need help for navit Jul 27 04:48:20 Navit want to create /usr/share/navit/maps/osm_bbox_11.347.9,11.7,48.2.bin Jul 27 04:48:29 but he cant Jul 27 04:48:41 then he want load it and its not there Jul 27 04:49:03 ich copy a card to this filename and he read it Jul 27 04:49:32 but when i change the navit.xml he don't read it Jul 27 04:53:53 ok i have the problem Jul 27 04:54:07 in my home was a navit.xml he read it first Jul 27 05:29:57 hey guys Jul 27 05:30:07 how much it coast??? Jul 27 05:30:12 a brand new one? Jul 27 05:31:15 !!! Jul 27 05:37:15 how much it coast depends on the coefficient of friction of the surface it is sliding on. Jul 27 05:37:29 lawlz Jul 27 05:46:21 are we skipping freerunners? Jul 27 05:47:38 chackal_sjc, I can sell you a new shiny one for 800$ Jul 27 05:49:35 how to set fonts order ? if I have two font ttf Jul 27 05:50:49 araujo: no thanks Jul 27 05:51:46 is openmoko stable??? Jul 27 05:52:03 ernst: I was trying to set up navit Jul 27 05:52:08 chackal_sjc, last offer , 750$ Jul 27 05:52:16 with garmin maps Jul 27 05:52:23 araujo: no, I can buy one for 300 Jul 27 05:53:11 chackal_sjc, mine comes with an Alf sticker Jul 27 05:53:15 for free Jul 27 05:53:30 chackal_sjc: define "stable" Jul 27 05:57:08 anyone has a working wlan config? Jul 27 05:57:25 araujo: what is that? Jul 27 05:57:43 Stroller: if it works properly, doesnt have any fatal bugs, etc.. Jul 27 05:58:20 i am tired Jul 27 05:58:43 Openmoko is stable on the Freerunner if you want a only a phone + SMS. Little else is remotely stable. Jul 27 05:58:52 http://farm1.static.flickr.com/140/353205482_9ba1860822.jpg Jul 27 05:58:55 chackal_sjc, ^^ Jul 27 05:59:58 Stroller: and the Neo 1974? Jul 27 06:00:11 Less stable. Jul 27 06:00:13 araujo: ohhh cool!! =) Jul 27 06:00:20 :-] Jul 27 06:00:45 Stroller: okay, good.. but do you think that they will update the hardware? because the software you can just update it Jul 27 06:01:09 The Freerunner hardware is stable Jul 27 06:01:15 * araujo is actually waiting for next FR shipment batch Jul 27 06:01:20 It won't be updated for some time Jul 27 06:01:42 * araujo has been told to wait for the gphone though ..... Jul 27 06:03:13 what's the best way to search the lists? Jul 27 06:04:29 undrwater: gmane.org Jul 27 06:04:39 proper wlan config anyone? please? Jul 27 06:05:14 mmaestri: isn't there anything on the wiki? Jul 27 06:05:38 i can't make it work properly Jul 27 06:05:47 there is a few scripts Jul 27 06:06:28 but those didn't worked for me Jul 27 06:07:24 Stroller: are you using those scripts to make it work? Jul 27 06:07:56 mmaestri: no, I'm not. Jul 27 06:09:32 mmaestri: Sorry to be unhelpful, but if no-one is replying to your question, it might be better to ask differently, perhaps referencing those. what happens when they fail? etc Jul 27 06:10:51 mmaestri: also...explain what you're trying to do... Jul 27 06:11:01 Stroller: ok. I'm just asking if someone did actually make wlan work properly Jul 27 06:11:26 like using some script to ifup the eth0 interface and get a dhcp lease Jul 27 06:13:16 anyone know if latest u-boot is booting ext2/3 on SD? Jul 27 06:13:30 <---- wlan working Jul 27 06:15:14 undrwater: can you point me to some script? Jul 27 06:15:44 undrwater: or what steps should I follow to make it work? Jul 27 06:15:56 ah what the crap my phone isnt being detected anymore via usb Jul 27 06:16:14 mmaestri: are you using wpa_supplicant? Jul 27 06:16:39 i'm trying to connect to an open network Jul 27 06:17:31 kd8ikt: try ifdown usb0 and ifup usb0, and then re-route it Jul 27 06:17:41 mmaestri: i haven't tried that yet...only connecting to home network...wep, static IP Jul 27 06:25:57 i think they sure butchered usb_networking's wiki page Jul 27 06:26:14 no thanks i dont want usbnet everytime i connect the sucker Jul 27 06:26:28 ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 is good enough for me Jul 27 06:29:22 i think my usb mouse was messing with it Jul 27 06:30:33 it'll default to that netmask, just so you know Jul 27 06:30:45 but i don't see how the usb network wiki page is off Jul 27 06:30:52 is a debug board required to falash NOR? Jul 27 06:31:00 yes Jul 27 06:31:33 is NAND the default for boot from? Jul 27 06:31:52 i always confuse the two.. but i think so Jul 27 06:32:46 kd8ikt: https://projects.openmoko.org/scm/?group_id=167 ... changed quite a bit, but it's by far the most "operable" to date Jul 27 06:33:10 a few tweaks left here and there, but overall it's decent... doesn't handle errors pretty much at all though Jul 27 06:42:22 openmoko: 03tick * r4557 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (opkg_cmd.c opkg_remove.c): opkg: fix some memory leak and double free issues. Jul 27 06:45:00 noshit eh? Jul 27 06:45:24 i thought i saw that in the projects list earlier Jul 27 06:45:41 hello Jul 27 06:45:52 how do you delete roads from openstreet map? Jul 27 06:46:12 gonna add my icon to the source and make a pkg out of it? Jul 27 06:47:23 orzo: don't you have to do that on the openstreetmap site? Jul 27 06:48:42 i'm on the site Jul 27 06:48:52 or do you mean i have to admin the site and not just be a wiki user Jul 27 06:51:20 oh well Jul 27 06:51:27 it is way to difficult to edit Jul 27 06:51:36 It is, isn't it? Jul 27 06:51:40 think of the potential for abuse if anyone who signed up could delete a street Jul 27 06:51:47 No idea, I'd look on their wiki Jul 27 06:51:48 well Jul 27 06:52:04 its worse abuse to put streets that dont exist Jul 27 06:53:23 at least let people vote for deletions or something Jul 27 06:54:16 my neo shows longitude negated so that my traces are mirror images of what they should be Jul 27 06:54:18 apparently that's how a lot of copyrighted map data is watermarked. tiny fake streets are placed on the map Jul 27 06:54:34 so they can prove if it's been copied Jul 27 06:54:46 well thats what i see for my area Jul 27 06:54:51 fake streets Jul 27 06:55:01 somebody copied a copyrighted map i guess Jul 27 06:55:18 still could be honest mistake Jul 27 06:55:50 yeahm someone mass-uploads their traces and accidentally gets some from when they were on a bike, or on foot Jul 27 06:55:51 anyway, why do i see my gps coordinates mirrored Jul 27 06:55:59 and i'm also skewed off Jul 27 06:56:11 i would need a linear transformation to correct it Jul 27 06:56:20 this is the gpssight program Jul 27 06:56:39 hm Jul 27 06:56:54 the fake road is unwalkable or bikable Jul 27 06:56:55 perhaps a bug in gpssight? Jul 27 06:56:57 /join #openstreetmap Jul 27 06:57:55 they'd have to do some weird stuff to make that trace Jul 27 06:57:58 heh Jul 27 06:58:29 i know because i actually walk that way Jul 27 06:58:43 as a short cut to work Jul 27 06:59:12 but it requires going through lots of shrubbery and skirting along the edge of a water way while clinging to a chain link fense Jul 27 06:59:19 heh Jul 27 07:01:19 I first heard about the openstreetmap project when they were brand new. Jul 27 07:01:24 They had almost no data for the US Jul 27 07:01:35 ...holy crap they've come a long way... Jul 27 07:07:30 what do people usually use for gps on neo and freerunner Jul 27 07:07:33 tangogps? Jul 27 07:08:09 i prefer tango Jul 27 07:08:47 if only tango could run on the qtopia image :) Jul 27 07:09:11 i like agpsui i like to track the satelites with the azimuth info tab Jul 27 07:09:14 moin Jul 27 07:09:33 but tango gps for mapping and seeing whoelse has a moko near me Jul 27 07:09:37 ;) Jul 27 07:09:40 thats soo neat Jul 27 07:09:41 i need to get a real screen protector on my fr Jul 27 07:09:54 im back to the release firmware, asu is basiclaly not working, and qtopia cant to gps Jul 27 07:10:06 i still have the sheet of plastic that shipped on it :) Jul 27 07:10:16 i havent got a working charger for the neo Jul 27 07:10:22 really? asu works fine for me Jul 27 07:10:37 orzo: usb cable? Jul 27 07:10:45 eh Jul 27 07:10:46 try as hard as you can but you'll never keep in new AntonTakk Jul 27 07:11:01 a usbcable to a unix computer is all i have to charge Jul 27 07:11:06 and thats not always very convenient Jul 27 07:11:08 * kd8ikt bets AntonTakk uses condoms aswell Jul 27 07:11:12 :P Jul 27 07:11:15 kd8ikt: that i know, but i'd like to at least keep the screen nice :) Jul 27 07:12:28 wonder how hard it is to take the front off so I could put on a protector that's slightly larger than the visible area of the screen Jul 27 07:15:53 AntonTakk: speedevil sells such protectors methinks, says it's "easy" Jul 27 07:16:51 i already have protectors - come on a large-ish sheet, and you cut to size Jul 27 07:16:59 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo_1973 Jul 27 07:20:38 that the antenna block at the top of the phone? Jul 27 07:21:08 openmoko: 03rpurdie 07bitbake-om * r20f7d12003b8 10/ (ChangeLog lib/bb/cooker.py): cooker.py: Make sure Build Completed events are generated even when tasks fail Jul 27 07:21:08 openmoko: 03rpurdie 07bitbake-om * rf44b45430b82 10/ (ChangeLog lib/bb/parse/parse_py/BBHandler.py): BBHandler.py: Correctly handle '-' characters in class names (#2958) Jul 27 07:21:09 openmoko: 03rpurdie 07bitbake-om * rc94600890e29 10/doc/ (bitbake.1 manual/usermanual.xml): manuals: Add missing options documentation (thanks to zecke for noticing and the patch) Jul 27 07:21:09 openmoko: 03rpurdie 07bitbake-om * r6dc0ebc2fa4b 10/ (ChangeLog lib/bb/build.py): Jul 27 07:21:11 openmoko: build.py: Make sure expandKeys has been called on the data dictonary before Jul 27 07:21:13 openmoko: running tasks fixing various strange issues (from poky). Correctly add a task Jul 27 07:21:15 openmoko: override in the form task-TASKNAME which whilst a change in behaviour shouldn't Jul 27 07:21:17 openmoko: matter since the original approach didn't work at all Jul 27 07:21:19 openmoko: 03rpurdie 07bitbake-om * r7a4fbc796148 10/ (ChangeLog lib/bb/parse/parse_py/BBHandler.py): Revert the '-' character fix in class names since it breaks things Jul 27 07:21:22 openmoko: 03rpurdie 07bitbake-om * r078ae356ed5f 10/ (ChangeLog lib/bb/providers.py): providers.py: When a regexp fails to compile for PACKAGES_DYNAMIC, print a more useful error (#4444) Jul 27 07:21:25 openmoko: 03rpurdie 07bitbake-om * r9952a35d0a9d 10/lib/bb/providers.py: providers.py: Fix indentation errors Jul 27 07:21:30 openmoko: 03zecke 07bitbake-om * rea685af08b6b 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Merge commit 'bitbake-1.8' into bitbake-om Jul 27 07:22:31 kd8ikt: i'm not making a package until it's more finished, btw Jul 27 07:22:41 openmoko: 03rpurdie * r20f7d12003b8 10/ (ChangeLog lib/bb/cooker.py): cooker.py: Make sure Build Completed events are generated even when tasks fail Jul 27 07:22:42 openmoko: 03rpurdie * rf44b45430b82 10/ (ChangeLog lib/bb/parse/parse_py/BBHandler.py): BBHandler.py: Correctly handle '-' characters in class names (#2958) Jul 27 07:22:42 openmoko: 03rpurdie * rc94600890e29 10/doc/ (bitbake.1 manual/usermanual.xml): manuals: Add missing options documentation (thanks to zecke for noticing and the patch) Jul 27 07:22:43 openmoko: 03rpurdie * r6dc0ebc2fa4b 10/ (ChangeLog lib/bb/build.py): Jul 27 07:22:45 openmoko: build.py: Make sure expandKeys has been called on the data dictonary before Jul 27 07:22:47 openmoko: running tasks fixing various strange issues (from poky). Correctly add a task Jul 27 07:22:49 openmoko: override in the form task-TASKNAME which whilst a change in behaviour shouldn't Jul 27 07:22:51 openmoko: matter since the original approach didn't work at all Jul 27 07:22:53 openmoko: 03rpurdie * r7a4fbc796148 10/ (ChangeLog lib/bb/parse/parse_py/BBHandler.py): Revert the '-' character fix in class names since it breaks things Jul 27 07:22:56 openmoko: 03rpurdie * r078ae356ed5f 10/ (ChangeLog lib/bb/providers.py): providers.py: When a regexp fails to compile for PACKAGES_DYNAMIC, print a more useful error (#4444) Jul 27 07:22:59 openmoko: 03rpurdie * r9952a35d0a9d 10/lib/bb/providers.py: providers.py: Fix indentation errors Jul 27 07:24:14 hey ieatlint how do you tell wpa_cli to swap essid's/ap's Jul 27 07:24:39 like its conencted to the closest AP but i want it to try to connect to the further one in range Jul 27 07:25:24 there are two ways Jul 27 07:25:46 first is to start disabling networks until the one you want is wpa_supplicant's choice Jul 27 07:26:00 the second is to set that network to a higher priority (which lint-wifi doesn't yet support) Jul 27 07:26:56 anyone using a recent 2007.2 or asu daily? Jul 27 07:27:54 disable? Jul 27 07:28:01 how do i do that Jul 27 07:28:16 * kd8ikt isnt using the gui Jul 27 07:30:22 in wpa_cli, you do "disable_network nid" Jul 27 07:30:37 the network id is an arbitrary number wpa_supplicant gives to each configured ap Jul 27 07:30:52 list_networks gives you the network ids.. Jul 27 07:36:01 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rc822def3506b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade assassin. Change font, size and wording of dialogs Jul 27 07:36:01 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r293bad1d9da0 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Put mc, gpsd and devmem2 into the feed two Jul 27 07:36:02 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rc1eec19112a7 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: [srcdate] Upgrade EFL to a date/time to really get today's version Jul 27 07:36:19 heh coolness, i just restarted , after i commented out my close ap Jul 27 07:36:24 2001:470:1f11:c7:212:cfff:fe8f:347b Jul 27 07:36:29 ^--my moko Jul 27 07:37:17 hey lint does the new version look for lint_wpa in a special dir? or can i put it in any path Jul 27 07:37:39 you have the text blocks backwards Jul 27 07:37:56 ? Jul 27 07:38:05 it looks for it in /home/root, but it's configured using a variable at the top of lint-wifi.py, so you can put it anywhere if you edit that variable Jul 27 07:38:40 i though priority was delegated from top to bottom and/or priority= Jul 27 07:39:14 is 1 higher then 2? for wpa.conf? Jul 27 07:40:03 i googled endlessly lastnight and couldnt get an answer Jul 27 07:40:24 my google magic must suck Jul 27 07:40:45 i've no idea what you mean Jul 27 07:40:59 higher priority for an ap in wpa_supplicant helps move it to the top of the list Jul 27 07:41:44 http://pastebin.com/d2fa8d49c Jul 27 07:42:08 oh so if both had 20 and 30 30would be first in line? Jul 27 07:42:56 yes Jul 27 07:43:06 it suddenly makes sense now Jul 27 07:43:24 http://hostap.epitest.fi/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=hostap.git;a=blob_plain;f=wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf Jul 27 07:43:25 review that Jul 27 07:44:31 my car acts as a wireless bluetooth headset for phones but i don't know how to make it work with the neo Jul 27 07:46:50 Fuck me! It must strain your back some walking around with your car on your head, orzo Jul 27 07:47:08 yep Jul 27 07:47:22 orzo: if you did know, there would be a lot of excited people Jul 27 07:47:29 at present, there is no bluetooth headset support Jul 27 07:47:48 is the protocol secret? Jul 27 07:47:52 heh Jul 27 07:47:53 no Jul 27 07:47:55 it's open Jul 27 07:48:14 just not implemented eh? Jul 27 07:48:18 bluez has alsa support, but for whatever reasons, the bluez binaries supplied with the images do not include the alsa library Jul 27 07:48:48 people set up skype on linux to use headsets using bluez with alsa Jul 27 07:49:19 so i really don't see why it is so hard to do it on the phone... but alas, i keep putting off fixing my toolchain to cross-compile bluez with alsa support :P Jul 27 07:51:10 if phone-kit is flaking out cause it has problems with my sim, would it do the same for a non-activated sim it could read? Jul 27 07:52:24 hrm, seems not :) Jul 27 07:57:07 lpotter: ping Jul 27 07:58:13 hey ieatlint you there? Jul 27 07:58:28 yeah Jul 27 07:58:45 so how go it, with the app, Jul 27 07:58:46 gesd is neat and all but i'd love something that gave you constant accellerometer output Jul 27 07:59:03 http://lint-wifi.projects.openmoko.org Jul 27 07:59:19 there's a version in svn there Jul 27 07:59:30 has a bunch of fixes and changes Jul 27 07:59:40 ya know? cause gesd only shows output when massive changes occur not just a slight tilt Jul 27 07:59:56 what's gesd? Jul 27 08:00:02 gesture daemon Jul 27 08:00:42 but it does report the numbers you just have to give it a good shake first Jul 27 08:00:56 well that's good it looks like it'll be a working project soon Jul 27 08:01:03 i'm trying to modify a patch for neverball that exists to use an accelerometer as input (which won't run on the phone, i plan to netcat the data from it to a computer) Jul 27 08:01:03 i was looking for constant data like a mouse Jul 27 08:01:23 heh Jul 27 08:01:43 although my current computer doesn't have enough power to play neverball... haha Jul 27 08:02:08 anyway, the accelerometers do provide current data, the wiki has info about how to read them Jul 27 08:02:12 was pretty simple, actually Jul 27 08:02:28 with a C prog Jul 27 08:02:37 lol, yes that happens with some machines Jul 27 08:02:46 railer: eeepc, hehe Jul 27 08:02:51 oh nice Jul 27 08:03:19 I got a ti-99a here if you want to try that Jul 27 08:03:21 i use it as a portable workstation too... for instance, i'm on a fullsize keyboard, regular mouse and a 19" lcd in front of me Jul 27 08:05:35 i am going to port lint-wifi to c, btw... Jul 27 08:05:49 sweet Jul 27 08:05:52 there are a number of things i want to do for which python fails me Jul 27 08:06:00 good that should speed it up Jul 27 08:06:11 hmm, can't revive my GTA02 from a deep battery discharge Jul 27 08:06:12 and add a major feature Jul 27 08:06:43 maybe I'm too stupid.. the wiki (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_Battery_Charger#Neo1973_emergency_charging) only specifies GTA01, the procedure does not work for me Jul 27 08:06:58 i can implement the "unsolicited event" api, which is where wpa_supplicant sends messages to a client like "incorrect password" or "i can't see the connected ap anymore" Jul 27 08:07:23 have you tried leaving it connected to charger/usb for 5min or so? Jul 27 08:07:31 yeah Jul 27 08:07:36 even for hours, and overnight Jul 27 08:07:41 eek Jul 27 08:07:42 removed the battery overnight, too Jul 27 08:07:45 thats a bit overkill Jul 27 08:07:52 tried usb host and a dumb charger Jul 27 08:07:57 hari: do you have any old nokia phones? Jul 27 08:08:07 ieatlint, not with the b5c or b6c Jul 27 08:08:35 but maybe my nokia bt gps has a bl-5c Jul 27 08:08:55 worth looking, but i doubt it Jul 27 08:09:13 so power up with the nokia battery, plug charger and then swap batteries? Jul 27 08:13:14 or charge the FR battery in the nokia Jul 27 08:13:39 http://search.gmane.org/?query=&author=linux4u%40bluewin.ch&group=gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community&sort=date&DEFAULTOP=and&xP=Zbatteri&xFILTERS=Gcomp.handhelds.openmoko.community-Alinux4u%40bluewin.ch---A Jul 27 08:13:49 there's a 37-post thread on the mailing list about it Jul 27 08:13:53 there they all are :P Jul 27 08:14:23 ....very odd Jul 27 08:14:51 just took the never-activated sim from the box of my old phone, and it connects to t-mobile Jul 27 08:16:26 hari: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/021547.html -- from joerg (who works with openmoko) on the issue Jul 27 08:16:27 will call customer support in the morning to see if they will switch which card is tied to my account if i read them the numbers under the bar code Jul 27 08:16:43 ieatlint, ty, will look at that Jul 27 08:17:57 basically the best bet is to find someone with a compatible nokia phone, heh Jul 27 08:18:01 ask around at work :P Jul 27 08:18:55 hey lint i bet you dont want to hear it but ipv6 would be neat Jul 27 08:19:24 when ipv6 support is added by my isps, i'll care Jul 27 08:19:44 :P Jul 27 08:19:54 what you dont tunnel? Jul 27 08:20:06 i want to work on some other app a bit too... something fun Jul 27 08:20:15 roger that Jul 27 08:21:16 ieatlint: add gps support to you app, warwalking++ :) Jul 27 08:21:43 nah Jul 27 08:21:57 I always HONK when driving THROUGH tunnels Jul 27 08:22:04 it's as bloated as it's going to get, anything else i add will have to be really great functionality Jul 27 08:22:05 eh, it was my civic duty to suggest it :) Jul 27 08:22:45 when i port it to gtk, i might add a pseudo-module support system Jul 27 08:23:12 allow pages to be added to provide more functions, or to strip down functions Jul 27 08:24:38 thats a great idea Jul 27 08:26:32 all sorts of ideas run through my head :P Jul 27 08:28:33 to make bitbake recipe for an application which uses WAF build system, which class should I inherit in my recipe? Jul 27 08:29:28 good morning Jul 27 08:36:45 is there a way to change the volume other than alsamixer in 2007.2? Jul 27 08:37:48 has there been work done on the hollow sound on the phone? or any bluetooth headsets? Jul 27 08:41:24 where'd everyone go? Jul 27 08:41:52 i'm still here Jul 27 08:42:13 me too, just people without the answers :) Jul 27 08:42:36 what do you do again in RL? lint, mine ifi just call you lint? Jul 27 08:43:36 lint is my shortened nickname, so nope :) Jul 27 08:43:41 I'm sleepy almost 3 am Jul 27 08:43:42 i am gloriously unemployed Jul 27 08:43:53 do you know java? Jul 27 08:43:59 nope Jul 27 08:44:07 or access 2007? Jul 27 08:44:14 nope Jul 27 08:44:19 php? Jul 27 08:44:19 i need to brush up on some programming languages and make a few apps for my "resume" Jul 27 08:44:23 yeah Jul 27 08:44:39 i could probably learn java quickly if i wanted to... a week ago i didn't know any gtk or python Jul 27 08:44:47 and i know c++... Jul 27 08:44:51 shitty one I already got some one for that job Jul 27 08:45:01 I got nothing for c++ Jul 27 08:45:08 eh, i need to find a local job Jul 27 08:45:17 cause i think results and real world applicantions are 100x better then those lame scumsoft certifications they have Jul 27 08:45:30 i plan on whoring myself out when i volunteer in the openmoko booth at linuxworld Jul 27 08:45:34 for fucks sake they have a MS certifacate for excel for christ sake Jul 27 08:45:41 how lame is that Jul 27 08:45:53 I taught that once :) Jul 27 08:45:55 i got a certification, didn't do dick-all for me Jul 27 08:46:23 it's not lame if your the guys getting $50 an hour to teach it :) Jul 27 08:46:27 replace that cert on your resume with lint-wifi Jul 27 08:46:58 it never went on the wall :P Jul 27 08:47:07 THat's where the moneys is in teaching tech Jul 27 08:47:13 and certificates Jul 27 08:48:01 * kd8ikt has a certificate for anger management Jul 27 08:48:05 heh Jul 27 08:48:36 got lots of certs, now I need my MBA :P Jul 27 08:50:50 man i really wished suspend worked for me Jul 27 08:51:30 i need to order business cards Jul 27 08:51:53 what's a good thing to put on a business card for someone trying to make contacts but is unemployed? :P Jul 27 08:51:56 "computer consultant" ? hehe Jul 27 08:52:04 can I make a suggestion on that? Jul 27 08:52:09 not that i really need it cause i'm always next to my computer but i hate knowing something isnt working right Jul 27 08:52:28 railer: if you're asking me, of course Jul 27 08:52:49 its eating at me even my friends look at me lijke "are you pissed or something whats wrong?" "suspend isnt working!" Jul 27 08:52:58 heh Jul 27 08:53:17 black bold lettering, one font, good quality card stock, very professional, Jul 27 08:53:34 how about white on black instead? Jul 27 08:53:47 gold Jul 27 08:53:58 Oh and on mind because I deal with techs, I have Home Address:127.0.0.1 Jul 27 08:54:14 heh Jul 27 08:54:17 bah, too cheesy Jul 27 08:54:21 make it more complicated Jul 27 08:54:23 nah i'd put ::1 Jul 27 08:54:32 ipv6 ftw Jul 27 08:54:43 home address: 127.31.33.7 Jul 27 08:54:56 no no no, white stock, black solid letters, good quality, it a profession, you are not mowing lawns Jul 27 08:55:18 and for text... for someone looking for a real job? Jul 27 08:55:26 can the font look pixelated Jul 27 08:55:30 Look at how lawyers do their cards Jul 27 08:55:51 lawyers suck Jul 27 08:55:55 your a hacker Jul 27 08:56:01 well i'm certainly not looking to put graphics on it Jul 27 08:56:07 i dunno, i kinda like the white on black Jul 27 08:56:07 get a transparent card Jul 27 08:56:16 somehow seems more fitting to a geek :P Jul 27 08:56:25 not like i stare at a black on white console Jul 27 08:56:33 good morning every one Jul 27 08:56:53 if you are looking for 9 to 4 getting hired by an IT company or getting hired by companies to build programs on a contract basis? Jul 27 08:57:03 9-4 Jul 27 08:57:20 is there any chance to find someone here who would be able to to something about the SVN servers at projects.openmoko.org that have been down for *2 days* ? Jul 27 08:57:24 fuck the cards then, just do a resume, Jul 27 08:57:25 * kd8ikt opts for something like this http://www.plasticprinters.com/clearplasticcards/ Jul 27 08:57:43 if i hand out resumes at a conference, they'll end up in the trash Jul 27 08:57:52 heh Jul 27 08:57:53 true Jul 27 08:57:55 amen Jul 27 08:58:29 $5 gets me 100 business cards, so worst that happens is i'm out $5 and the environment be damned Jul 27 08:58:51 white card, black letters NAME, EMAIL, PHONE, IT Professional Jul 27 08:59:03 hmmm Jul 27 08:59:15 heh i met this one guy he want me to hack his girlfriends yahoo/myspace acount , he gave me his card but i'm not going to contact him, he got the wrong idea when i said "hacker" Jul 27 08:59:17 lots of white space, and very professional Jul 27 08:59:19 well, i will think about it all... same day pickup stuffs, so we'll see Jul 27 08:59:36 kd8ikt: not to mention, that's creepy Jul 27 08:59:50 * kd8ikt has myspace/yahoo blocked with iptables Jul 27 09:00:17 but i more or less told him how he could do it himself Jul 27 09:00:26 i dont want to be a part of it Jul 27 09:00:32 just run your own dns server and give out different ips for it Jul 27 09:01:04 http://research.microsoft.com/~awilson/business%20card%202.jpg Jul 27 09:01:09 like one of the easiest ways is to have a keylogger and let the person login on your machine Jul 27 09:01:30 those myspace cant go near a machine without logging in Jul 27 09:01:59 i'd throw that away railer Jul 27 09:02:17 nothing special about it/methinks nothing special about the person Jul 27 09:02:55 the fact that it has MS on it actually is -10 points Jul 27 09:03:16 http://www.futo.co.yu/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/idea-for-a-business-card-for-a-web-developer-big.jpg Jul 27 09:03:38 lol back has code on it Jul 27 09:03:41 this is also a perfect use for my grand central account Jul 27 09:04:04 html... bleh Jul 27 09:04:15 is that the source to the front Jul 27 09:04:16 point is white card black lettering, Jul 27 09:04:38 awe dude i want a grand central account Jul 27 09:04:49 have they oppened up registration yet Jul 27 09:05:19 you're just not cool enough, it would seem Jul 27 09:05:46 what's a grand central account? Jul 27 09:06:23 it's like a phone portal Jul 27 09:06:52 like asterix? Jul 27 09:07:10 yeah, but entirely user-friendly and run by google Jul 27 09:07:45 oh not like asterix :) Jul 27 09:07:53 hah Jul 27 09:12:24 it does look cool, shame only in the US Jul 27 09:12:57 you a canuck then? Jul 27 09:13:40 very Jul 27 09:13:45 pfff,t transitional? boooo Jul 27 09:14:02 15 generations, came over 1650 Jul 27 09:14:23 which province? Jul 27 09:15:19 Alberta Jul 27 09:15:27 The rich one Jul 27 09:15:43 hah Jul 27 09:15:53 ... in the middle, with no water and nothing to do :) Jul 27 09:15:56 one of the ones i've heard of and can spell! Jul 27 09:16:08 ... and can locate on a map :P Jul 27 09:16:11 WHere are you? Jul 27 09:16:22 san francisco Jul 27 09:16:44 tangogps Jul 27 09:16:48 San Fran?? HOw come you're only one at 3 am! Jul 27 09:17:09 what do you mean only one? Jul 27 09:17:13 <-- 5:20am Jul 27 09:17:19 on not one Jul 27 09:17:25 Hey guys :) Jul 27 09:17:38 3:17 am I got to go to bed ..... Jul 27 09:17:44 oh, because i have issues with sleeping normal hours Jul 27 09:17:55 i have a soccer game i'm going to tomorrow though Jul 27 09:18:01 java shopping cart can wait till tommorow Jul 27 09:18:03 have to get up before noon Jul 27 09:18:09 Trying to trackdown someone in the know. Wanting to purchase 900 MHz versions of Free Runner from the Open Moko store ! Jul 27 09:19:27 Kronk just have o wait Jul 27 09:19:32 to Jul 27 09:19:47 have to catch a bus at 11:15am tomorrow... how sad Jul 27 09:20:23 that you has to catch a bus, yes that sad Jul 27 09:20:39 heh Jul 27 09:20:41 i own a car Jul 27 09:20:54 bus is easier than paying for parking at a sports venue and all Jul 27 09:20:57 team bus? Jul 27 09:21:03 city Jul 27 09:21:05 ok I guess so Jul 27 09:21:29 but that's what forged handicap stickers are for! Jul 27 09:21:49 hey, if only... Jul 27 09:22:09 parking meters are free too with a handicap placard Jul 27 09:22:46 ok well I'm off to bed, fake a placard and buy a cane, your gold Jul 27 09:22:53 hah Jul 27 09:22:55 ok, cya Jul 27 09:23:21 hello Jul 27 09:29:12 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Display_Locker Jul 27 09:29:21 i just put the blue one on mine i like it Jul 27 09:29:45 modified it a bit though Jul 27 09:31:00 to say " GTAO2 Neo Freerunner" Jul 27 09:31:43 i want a clock on my display locker :\ Jul 27 09:32:29 hack neod Jul 27 09:32:58 no time :\ Jul 27 09:33:06 hehe Jul 27 09:33:20 Mhm, are there any ways that a mobile phone provider could detect that your running your SIM through an OpenMoko? Jul 27 09:33:29 well an OpenMoko based phone I guess Jul 27 09:33:40 fragged: yes Jul 27 09:33:50 the imei blocks are like mac addresses Jul 27 09:34:05 prolly screws with their system ;) Jul 27 09:34:11 no, it won't Jul 27 09:34:40 how do i get my imei? Jul 27 09:34:42 ieatlint, may I message you privately? Jul 27 09:34:42 i mean, tmobile.com for instance every time i log in goes "we can't tell what phone you have, please select from this list" Jul 27 09:34:56 has since i switched from one of their phones Jul 27 09:34:58 fragged: yes Jul 27 09:34:59 wow thats gay Jul 27 09:35:03 (as in, that's ok) Jul 27 09:35:13 ieatlint: so, what did you select? Jul 27 09:35:15 'other'? Jul 27 09:35:29 not sure there is an other Jul 27 09:35:42 i pick the nokia 6600 out of habit Jul 27 09:36:11 basically, i need to pick a phone that supports real data (not just wap) or it won't allow me to configure my data settings Jul 27 09:36:32 can't you configure that manually? Jul 27 09:37:47 doesnt tmobile have that wifi phone that can make free calls from wifi AP's Jul 27 09:38:08 kd8ikt: they have it set so only APs they approve support it Jul 27 09:38:10 but yes Jul 27 09:38:22 awe thats lamde Jul 27 09:38:35 (basically, they give you an AP when you get the service, and then all tmobile hotspots act as APs you can use too) Jul 27 09:38:45 good thing i got a moko so we can play with voip stuff Jul 27 09:39:03 it also employs some special ieee standard that allows handing calls off between WAPs and cell towers Jul 27 09:39:27 like mokoaix Jul 27 09:39:43 be nice to have a skype client awsell Jul 27 09:39:53 i hope grandcentral releases an api for developers Jul 27 09:39:55 that would rule Jul 27 09:40:07 seamless integration with a mobile phone Jul 27 09:44:25 alright i think its time for bed Jul 27 09:44:46 goodnight Jul 27 09:46:55 night Jul 27 10:01:07 I've been watching the the new mobile cpu's from Intel (atom) and Nvidia (tegra). do you think the next version of freerunner might get something like that? like low powered, cpu's. since then the batteries would last alot longer and so on. probably... since they only use like 0,5 to 3W on mobile devices. Jul 27 10:01:42 Which is extremely high. Jul 27 10:01:56 the 0.5W does not count memory or chipset usage. Jul 27 10:02:18 And not soon if it happens. Jul 27 10:02:32 0.5-3W I mean Jul 27 10:03:22 They have a very good marketing division ;) Jul 27 10:03:25 We can run and charge Neo with 2.5W of power (USB 5V, 500mA) Jul 27 10:03:49 And that's with screen, doing work, having GPS and GSM powered Jul 27 10:05:24 yeah, the atoms, even in comparison to kinda sucky via, suck a lot of power, the new nvidia chips are supposed to be much more efficient but it's unlikely they'll be open Jul 27 10:06:24 Well, nvidia recently stated that they are not interested in open drivers Jul 27 10:06:34 how nice of them Jul 27 10:06:56 * doc|home thinks his next video card might well be an ati Jul 27 10:07:10 Mine will be for sure Jul 27 10:07:14 ati is worse methinks Jul 27 10:07:19 At least wont be nvidia Jul 27 10:07:24 ieatlint: no, they started opening up stuff Jul 27 10:07:32 ieatlint: Not since they were bought by AMD Jul 27 10:07:32 their own drivers suck all right Jul 27 10:07:32 oooh, that'S new then Jul 27 10:07:41 ieatlint: yeah, they released microcode recently Jul 27 10:07:46 Will the android project produce open drivers? Jul 27 10:07:53 rtm: no Jul 27 10:07:54 i got screwed by nvidia, but not as badly as i did back in the day with ati Jul 27 10:07:55 no Jul 27 10:08:03 Zut! Jul 27 10:08:07 ieatlint: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_microcode&num=1 Jul 27 10:08:13 bought a new nvidia 9600 back in march Jul 27 10:08:22 only ... the nvidia drivers don't support it in linux Jul 27 10:08:30 you have to use very crappy beta drivers Jul 27 10:08:37 ugh Jul 27 10:08:39 with 2d performance that would make you cry ... Jul 27 10:08:40 night Jul 27 10:08:50 takes like 2 seconds to render a full screen Jul 27 10:08:53 goodnight Jul 27 10:09:07 AMD seems to also have plans for a low powered mobile cpu, and they seems to be kind to opensource developers (since they even contributes on opensuse and such) Jul 27 10:09:24 the new trend is definitely mobility Jul 27 10:09:29 maybe they'll come up with something :P Jul 27 10:09:46 people finally released that as long as they aren't playing games, editing video, etc ... sub-1ghz machines can do a lot Jul 27 10:09:50 g'nite doc|home Jul 27 10:09:51 blah Jul 27 10:09:55 finally realised Jul 27 10:10:06 well, you can play games Jul 27 10:10:06 ieatlint: even games Jul 27 10:10:16 depends on the game, and the graphics card Jul 27 10:10:19 it's just the gaming industrie that's fucked up ;) Jul 27 10:10:23 ieatlint: I'm pretty sure there were games on 500MHz machines. Jul 27 10:10:27 Dos games :D Jul 27 10:10:33 i said, depends on the game Jul 27 10:10:40 Especially at 640*480 Jul 27 10:10:41 hehe, yeah, someone needs to port the orgeon trail to the neo Jul 27 10:11:00 reminds me that i wanted to try to install some things on scumm Jul 27 10:11:06 It should be plenty fast enough to run a dos emulator at 4.77MHz Jul 27 10:11:13 lol Jul 27 10:11:14 Marf :-) Jul 27 10:11:15 just need to find those floppies and a reader ;) Jul 27 10:11:23 hehe, and maybe one of those projector keyboards (if that research have gotten any futher ) Jul 27 10:11:44 Sjano: yeah, of course it supports those, the hardware on those are in the devices Jul 27 10:11:49 Sjano: projector keyboards work fine. It's just they sort of lack any tactile response. Jul 27 10:12:31 yeah, someone should figure that out... doctors being the most obvious market for them Jul 27 10:13:00 next time you see your doctor use his keyboard, think about how much bacteria must be in it :P Jul 27 10:13:01 yeah, i remember you couldn't write too fast on them :P but still pretty fun Jul 27 10:13:37 argl Jul 27 10:13:38 that's why people invented soap... ieatlint Jul 27 10:13:41 and hi Jul 27 10:13:55 hello Jul 27 10:14:05 and argl to you too Jul 27 10:14:16 I just did a opkg update && opkg upgrade (2007.02) and now after startup I don't get the desktop Jul 27 10:14:32 anasazi: same here Jul 27 10:14:42 nice Jul 27 10:14:45 didn't care so far though ;D Jul 27 10:14:50 I can remotely start applications Jul 27 10:15:10 but if I am not the only one, its ok... they will probably fix it sooner or later ;-) Jul 27 10:16:40 anasazi: well, i also installed a shitload of things and tinkered a lot Jul 27 10:17:00 so it might not only be caused by the update Jul 27 10:17:15 heh, i ran update && upgrade right before you said that Jul 27 10:17:18 (like 2min before Jul 27 10:17:24 rebooting now... we shall see Jul 27 10:17:58 gui came up Jul 27 10:18:05 well, i have that problem since yesterday Jul 27 10:18:12 mmmh Jul 27 10:18:15 but as said, i don't really care ;) Jul 27 10:18:19 well, i have an sms issue Jul 27 10:18:23 me too Jul 27 10:18:26 I cant read sms Jul 27 10:18:26 day before yesterday actually Jul 27 10:18:31 that I had since yesterday Jul 27 10:18:45 you try and load the sms app and it flashes for a half a second and closes? Jul 27 10:18:51 y Jul 27 10:18:53 exactly Jul 27 10:18:58 yeah, annoying as hell Jul 27 10:19:26 if you run it in a terminal, you see the error Jul 27 10:19:37 ah... which is? Jul 27 10:19:53 (openmoko-messages:1406): GConf-WARNING **: Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon: Jul 27 10:19:54 dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-Bus session: Autolaunch requested, but X11 support not compiled in. Jul 27 10:19:54 Cannot continue. Jul 27 10:19:54 GConf Error: No D-BUS daemon running Jul 27 10:20:04 mkay Jul 27 10:20:09 ah I just shot my X Jul 27 10:21:15 ieatlint: ssh or terminal ? Jul 27 10:21:21 ssh Jul 27 10:21:27 So it's not the error, it's normal Jul 27 10:21:28 :-D Jul 27 10:21:31 Export your dbus sessioin first Jul 27 10:21:36 ah Jul 27 10:21:41 i know not how to do that Jul 27 10:21:43 ieatlint: ps auxw Jul 27 10:21:46 anybody having trouble with ar6000? Jul 27 10:21:46 grep today Jul 27 10:21:52 check the /proc/pid/environ Jul 27 10:21:59 and export DBUS_SESSION Jul 27 10:22:21 there is no /proc/pid/environ Jul 27 10:22:25 ieatlint: the pid of today Jul 27 10:22:27 i dreamed i could control the volume in the media player, it has been a rough morning :( Jul 27 10:22:31 (openmoko-today) Jul 27 10:22:35 yeah Jul 27 10:22:36 ok Jul 27 10:22:43 being stupid, hehe Jul 27 10:22:43 or any graphical OM application by the way Jul 27 10:23:55 seg fault now Jul 27 10:24:28 after a number of gtk warnings about locale and "gtk_widget_size_allocate" getting invalid data Jul 27 10:27:24 Weird, I updated recently and I don't have this problem. Jul 27 10:28:37 openmoko-messages2 - 0.1.0+svnr4340-r1 Jul 27 10:30:10 And gtk ? Jul 27 10:30:43 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r953712d5cc0d 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] s/log.info/log.debug/ for channel init Jul 27 10:30:55 what's the package that's odd Jul 27 10:31:39 "opkg status gtk+" reports nothing Jul 27 10:32:01 ieatlint: opkg list_installed | grep gtk Jul 27 10:32:15 You should have gtk+-fastscaling Jul 27 10:32:23 ah, ok Jul 27 10:32:27 2.10.14-r2 Jul 27 10:32:33 heh, that explains a lot Jul 27 10:32:49 oh. list_installed Jul 27 10:32:51 Does it ? Jul 27 10:32:53 i never use that Jul 27 10:33:03 as to why "gtk+" isn't shown to be installed Jul 27 10:33:10 but is listed in "opkg list" Jul 27 10:33:23 That's because gtk+-fastscaling provides gtk+ Jul 27 10:33:38 hence, it explains it :) Jul 27 10:34:00 But I think I have the same rev here Jul 27 10:34:12 I'm too lazy to go and fetch my freerunner to check Jul 27 10:34:35 ieatlint: which feeds do you use ? Jul 27 10:34:36 well, i'm happy to run any tests you'd like... or give you ssh access to it if so inclined Jul 27 10:34:41 default ones Jul 27 10:34:54 Ok well, I'll check then Jul 27 10:35:00 You're making me stand up Jul 27 10:35:04 I hope you're sad Jul 27 10:35:05 lol Jul 27 10:35:07 i am Jul 27 10:35:10 i've been there Jul 27 10:35:26 make it a useful trip and get a beer while you're up Jul 27 10:35:45 ah another update Jul 27 10:35:49 It's 12:35 here Jul 27 10:36:01 I didn't eat yet so I'll wait for the beer Jul 27 10:36:09 clearly you fail at being an alcoholic Jul 27 10:36:20 clearly :-) Jul 27 10:36:23 i can give you ssh to my phone if it would aid you Jul 27 10:36:39 I don't think it will be of use Jul 27 10:37:46 Same two versions here ieatlint Jul 27 10:38:19 Did you do something specific other than opkg upgrade ? Jul 27 10:38:20 weird Jul 27 10:38:42 uhm, i think the only other thing i've done is install pygtk Jul 27 10:39:02 oh, and the keyboard applet for showing/hiding the keyboard, and the fullsize keyboard Jul 27 10:39:07 other than that, it's stock Jul 27 10:39:48 If you can reflash rootfs, and do step by step what you did before I think you'll be able to know what the problem is Jul 27 10:39:56 For my part I didn't install the applet for the keyboard Jul 27 10:40:13 I installed matchbox-keyboard per the wiki instructions Jul 27 10:40:51 i've not the energy to do that at the moment, but i can tomorrow Jul 27 10:41:05 there is another update u can get with opkg update && opkg upgrade at the moment... 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Jul 27 11:10:09 the neo1973 is turning the clock off from the beginning unless it's magically broken Jul 27 11:10:19 r: not a problem Jul 27 11:10:26 rtp: I did some tests Jul 27 11:10:28 but it also probably causes less (if any) interference there Jul 27 11:11:03 rtp: I could not measure a difference in recieved signal level of the GPS between doing massive reads and writes from the SD, and not. Jul 27 11:11:40 I agree that the neo1973 seems to have always had decent GPS performance. I just thought there might have been a recent change, along with the Freerunner change, that would make the gta01 work even better. Jul 27 11:11:49 Nope. Jul 27 11:11:50 SpeedEvil: that might mean that the clock isn't turned off ;) Jul 27 11:11:55 It's irrelevant. Jul 27 11:12:01 SpeedEvil: THanks, that's good to know. Jul 27 11:12:14 rtm: nope, gta01 uses a standard SD driver, not our own Jul 27 11:12:25 balrog-kun: true - though I recently did some tests, and came out to 39-42s or so first lock time Jul 27 11:12:28 and the s3c24xx is supposed to turn the clock off without software's intervention Jul 27 11:13:06 balrog-kun: Thanks for the info. Jul 27 11:19:54 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r366a46c4f520 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.xml.in: document error interface Jul 27 11:34:40 ahoi Jul 27 11:36:51 hi Jul 27 11:40:19 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r5367daf9e4df 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (illume_svn.bb splinter_svn.bb): [efl] Bump the PR of efl users to force a rebuild Jul 27 11:40:20 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r41a9f56d2c53 10/packages/dhcp/ (dhcp_3.0.2.bb files/dhclient-nullptr.patch): [dhcp] Apply patch to make a null pointer warning/error go away Jul 27 11:47:40 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd9753aee8076 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up to 169... to match typo fix in ecore Jul 27 11:47:41 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra645e3ed329f 10/packages/e17/e-wm_cvs.bb: e- remove default tarballs of apps etc. Jul 27 11:47:41 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4dba941528b3 10/packages/efl1/ecore_cvs.bb: re-enable software-16 engine (option changed) Jul 27 11:47:42 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r3d916aeb74b3 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: up efl date to get ecore build fixes. Jul 27 11:47:44 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r9e7c5ed1e832 10/packages/efl1/ecore_cvs.bb: and actually use right option. Jul 27 11:47:47 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc702cab2f062 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up illume rev to fix segv Jul 27 11:47:50 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra4a4a56b62b0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade assassin. Change font, size and wording of dialogs Jul 27 11:47:53 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * raa2425501c54 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Put mc, gpsd and devmem2 into the feed two Jul 27 11:47:56 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r3d937b263d79 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: [srcdate] Upgrade EFL to a date/time to really get today's version Jul 27 11:48:23 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8f11499f108a 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (illume_svn.bb splinter_svn.bb): [efl] Bump the PR of efl users to force a rebuild Jul 27 11:48:23 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd25dd958800a 10/packages/dhcp/ (dhcp_3.0.2.bb files/dhclient-nullptr.patch): [dhcp] Apply patch to make a null pointer warning/error go away Jul 27 12:00:28 anybody have a minute? Jul 27 12:00:33 my freerunner won't boot anymore... Jul 27 12:00:46 (drained battery?) Jul 27 12:00:46 First unplug the battery and USB Jul 27 12:01:05 leave for a couple of mins, and plug in the battery, then USB, and leave it for an hour. Jul 27 12:01:06 already done that but wil do it again Jul 27 12:01:30 (except the "leave for an hour :)) Jul 27 12:02:27 speedevil: what is best: with the wallcharger, or with the pc? Jul 27 12:02:39 my pc doesn't recognize the usb0 when i plug in the FreeRunner Jul 27 12:02:43 eitehr should work. Jul 27 12:02:45 it won't. Jul 27 12:03:12 so there will be no way to check if it is actually being charged, except for trying after an hour Jul 27 12:03:17 I'm unsure, and this is a guess - I've not got a freerunner. I'm assuming there is some Jul 27 12:03:22 trickle charge mode. Jul 27 12:03:55 wtf! Jul 27 12:04:00 it booted from its own Jul 27 12:04:04 :) Jul 27 12:04:12 without doing anything...; Jul 27 12:04:27 I was using my telekinesis to make it boot. Jul 27 12:04:39 "On-line, battery charging: 48% (3:22:00)" Jul 27 12:04:51 Odd. Jul 27 12:05:15 thank goodness for your telekenises lvl 150 :) Jul 27 12:07:15 Was this after unplugging the battery? Jul 27 12:07:18 btw: I'm gonna say it probably a thousand times: scummvm looks really great on the FreeRunner! Jul 27 12:07:32 i unplugged it and plugged it back in and connected the usb cable Jul 27 12:07:37 but i had already done this a couple of times Jul 27 12:07:52 and the usb cable was plugged in for at least a minute or two before it decided on its own to boot Jul 27 12:13:33 hi all! can I install on my openmoko a server for remote desktop and use my phone by my pc? Jul 27 12:17:19 tommax1083: you can install sshd Jul 27 12:17:46 tommax1083: Or maybe x11vnc, if that is ported... Jul 27 12:18:01 thanks for suggest Jul 27 12:18:14 I've used x11vnc on the Neo for presentation purposes Jul 27 12:18:19 if not, you can compile it by toolchain Jul 27 12:20:53 anyone else get errors when opkg upgrading the ASU? (about libefreet.so.0.5.0 nad lifreet.so.0) ? Jul 27 12:22:10 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1648 sayss it is fixed, but it doesn't seem so here... Jul 27 12:22:22 can someone check if he has the same errors? otherwise i will reopen the ticket Jul 27 12:29:31 does python-pygps work? Jul 27 12:51:57 what is the command to get info about the kernel-version/rootfs? Jul 27 12:52:08 it was something with a "-a" in the command i think... Jul 27 12:54:15 Zorkman: uname -a Jul 27 12:56:12 maar: nothing more? i just get Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jul 23 06:34:19 CEST 2008 armv4tl unknown Jul 27 12:56:17 no kernel version... Jul 27 12:56:26 Zorkman: 2.6.24 Jul 27 12:57:03 mount Jul 27 12:57:19 Zorkman: I think that you also get information abou kernel from 'opkg' Jul 27 12:57:47 opkg print_architecture Jul 27 12:59:46 Zorkman: like that: opkg list_installed | grep kernel Jul 27 13:00:17 thanks everyone Jul 27 13:00:44 are there "themes" for the phone Jul 27 13:02:39 yeah there is one for the asu Jul 27 13:03:15 ahh.. i'm not on asu Jul 27 13:03:42 sorry: I only know of one theme and ASIK it's asu-only Jul 27 13:03:58 maybe i should put asu on my sd card and run both Jul 27 13:04:44 thats what i do :) Jul 27 13:04:49 heh, I want to do it today, I will see what happen Jul 27 13:04:55 Zorkman ... Jul 27 13:05:01 yeah? Jul 27 13:05:05 did you follow the "booting from SD_Card" wiki instructions Jul 27 13:05:09 jup Jul 27 13:05:17 damn, i have some visitors Jul 27 13:05:22 beb bakc tonight Jul 27 13:05:27 did you start with the base asu Jul 27 13:05:30 and the opkg upgrade it? Jul 27 13:05:38 ok.. have fun. Jul 27 13:06:49 Hi.. I have some problems with connection my desktop to the Freerunner Jul 27 13:07:03 I have typed this in the terminal in Ubuntu: Jul 27 13:07:04 sudo iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 Jul 27 13:07:08 sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Jul 27 13:07:11 sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 Jul 27 13:07:26 is fr plugged into usb port ? Jul 27 13:07:27 But then when I try to ssh root@192.168.0.202 Jul 27 13:07:45 I just get a "ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host " Jul 27 13:07:51 try Jul 27 13:07:52 Of course it is ;) Jul 27 13:07:59 sudo route add -host 192.168.0.202 usb0 Jul 27 13:08:06 did you check that there is a usb0 device? Jul 27 13:08:22 and what is the ip of your regular ethernet (eth0) ? Jul 27 13:08:36 Rigolo: it must be there, othwerise hi didn't get error message after commnad 'ifconfig usb0...' Jul 27 13:09:03 or sudo route add -host 192.168.0.202 192.168.0.200 Jul 27 13:09:35 "sudo route add -host 192.168.0.202 usb0" worked.. But what is the password for the Freerunner? Jul 27 13:09:39 blank Jul 27 13:09:49 Oh.. Jul 27 13:09:52 Hang on then.. Jul 27 13:10:18 EmKay: when you will be inside FR, then change root password ;) Jul 27 13:10:19 actually anything will work Jul 27 13:10:28 it doesn' have to be blank at first Jul 27 13:10:34 is that also true for ASU? or is there a default password? Jul 27 13:10:50 I think it's working.. Jul 27 13:11:00 There's no root password defined at the moment, because of convenience for developers :) Jul 27 13:11:33 But is it normal to have all those signature check failures? :S Jul 27 13:11:48 .. /tmp/x.log contains lots of juicy info too Jul 27 13:11:58 Hmm.. It fails to downloads every single file :S Jul 27 13:12:08 EmKay - are you talking about opkg Jul 27 13:12:12 Yup Jul 27 13:12:31 yeah word on the street is that sigs aren't implemented yet for the packages so ignore for now Jul 27 13:12:45 EmKay, probably DNS setup broken Jul 27 13:12:49 although i saw this new command appear: "opkg-key" Jul 27 13:13:09 heh, I have good commercial publicity, You dont need any exploit for FR, root pass is blank, enjoy. Jul 27 13:13:09 for dns, i usually just echo 'nameserver 4.2.2.2' > /etc/resolv.conf Jul 27 13:13:19 But what about eight of those: "Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/neo1973/Packages.sig, error 0 " Jul 27 13:13:25 EmKay, try "nslookup www.google.de" Jul 27 13:13:31 and post the output Jul 27 13:13:35 your initial resolv.conf will be 192.168.0.200 Jul 27 13:13:44 which is your host, which probably isn't running a nameserver. Jul 27 13:14:13 Oh.. So I need to tell the Neo that the nameserver is my router? Jul 27 13:14:23 yeah that would be smartest ;) Jul 27 13:14:46 "nslookup www.google.de" gives me "Server: 192.168.0.200 " "Address 1: 192.168.0.200 " Jul 27 13:14:59 But how do I do that then? :$ Jul 27 13:15:07 echo 'nameserver > /etc/resolv.conf' Jul 27 13:15:17 (as root on the fr) Jul 27 13:15:43 and also look in /etc/network/interfaces and edit that Jul 27 13:15:45 to make it stick Jul 27 13:16:58 the iptables command will make the neo share your host's internet connection Jul 27 13:17:17 echo 'nameserver ..... didn't work.. Jul 27 13:17:24 iptables? Jul 27 13:17:39 type ping google.com Jul 27 13:17:41 what's it say Jul 27 13:18:09 ping: bad address 'google.com' Jul 27 13:18:17 cat /etc/resolv.conf Jul 27 13:18:44 nameserver 192.168.0.200 Jul 27 13:18:55 So I guess the echo command didn't work? Jul 27 13:19:00 My router is at 192.168.0.1 Jul 27 13:19:00 yep Jul 27 13:19:09 oh Jul 27 13:19:10 there's no "e" in "resolv.conf" ... Jul 27 13:19:18 at the end... typo? Jul 27 13:19:34 root@om-gta02:~# echo 'nameserver 192.168.0.1 > /etc/resolv.conf' Jul 27 13:19:39 That is how I typed it.. Jul 27 13:19:48 put a ' after the "1" Jul 27 13:19:52 and remove the last one Jul 27 13:20:01 the last ' Jul 27 13:20:21 as it stands, that wil just output to the screen.. Jul 27 13:20:45 echo 'nameserver 192.168.0.1' > /etc/resolv.conf Jul 27 13:22:08 Hmm.. Maybe I am wrong.. Maybe the DNS server is not my router.. Hang on.. Will try another IP for the nameserver Jul 27 13:22:15 try 4.2.2.2 Jul 27 13:22:46 you can make it match /etc/resolv.conf on your host too Jul 27 13:24:07 EmKay, it won't work depending on what subnet-size you defined for the pc-neo connection Jul 27 13:24:28 niap -- i had him do "route" with a single host Jul 27 13:24:45 awesomo4k, yeah but neo doesn't know this Jul 27 13:24:51 it expects a /24 network Jul 27 13:24:56 and thinks the router is local Jul 27 13:24:58 yeah i know .. i figured he'd have a conflict with his existing net Jul 27 13:25:10 oh... i see. Jul 27 13:25:10 Now my Neo resolv.conf matches the one on the desktop.. Jul 27 13:25:17 you you would have to set the subnet on neos side tooo Jul 27 13:25:18 But still "ping: bad address 'google.com' " Jul 27 13:25:34 EmKay, what is it on the desktop? Jul 27 13:25:44 217.116.227.8 Jul 27 13:25:48 mhm Jul 27 13:25:56 works pinging the DNS server? Jul 27 13:25:56 Should I try with 4.2.2.2? Jul 27 13:25:57 what does "route" say on the neo Jul 27 13:26:06 nah that won't matter .. Jul 27 13:26:20 route: "192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 " Jul 27 13:26:33 no default route? Jul 27 13:26:34 and "default 192.168.0.200 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 usb0 " Jul 27 13:26:35 Is the kernel-update via opkg at the moment broken? Jul 27 13:26:51 upgrading fails and kills the kernel-image Jul 27 13:27:08 from neo: 'ping 192.168.0.200' Jul 27 13:27:37 from the neo physically or is it okay to use the terminal via ssh? Jul 27 13:27:43 terminal is fine Jul 27 13:28:12 Works fine.. Jul 27 13:28:16 ok Jul 27 13:28:20 ping 192.168.0.1 Jul 27 13:28:24 (your router ip) Jul 27 13:28:44 Nothing happening Jul 27 13:28:50 ok Jul 27 13:28:50 he should ping something in the net Jul 27 13:28:58 Don't think it can find it Jul 27 13:29:03 yeah Jul 27 13:29:06 this is normal Jul 27 13:29:11 iptables too wide? Jul 27 13:29:16 no Jul 27 13:29:25 he can never ping the localnet Jul 27 13:29:29 because of the subnet reason Jul 27 13:29:40 but if masq would work Jul 27 13:29:42 you mean netmask on the neo Jul 27 13:29:46 yes Jul 27 13:29:46 ? Jul 27 13:29:56 than he could reach the net Jul 27 13:30:19 netmask 255.255.255.255 Jul 27 13:30:20 ? Jul 27 13:30:37 Should I type that... or...? Jul 27 13:30:41 EmKay, no Jul 27 13:30:44 Okay :P Jul 27 13:30:47 try to "ping 129.132.2.245" Jul 27 13:31:12 from the Neo Jul 27 13:31:25 Yeah.. Via the terminal is okay right? Nothing... Jul 27 13:31:30 mhm Jul 27 13:31:31 ok Jul 27 13:31:37 niap : what you're saying is that usb0 on neo should set a /32 netmask to avoid the local internal network ? Jul 27 13:31:56 awesomo4k, i say he should assign his local network another numbering block :) Jul 27 13:32:03 heh ... yeah i agree Jul 27 13:32:11 because this will lead to lots of pain in future Jul 27 13:32:27 EmKay, reconfigure your router to another IP block Jul 27 13:32:29 but certainly we _could_ have a "one-host" network on the same subnet as the local one.. although it is ridiculous. Jul 27 13:32:39 Another ip block? Jul 27 13:32:40 awesomo4k, yeah we could Jul 27 13:32:47 but we would still need NAT Jul 27 13:33:00 vulgo masquerading Jul 27 13:33:00 yeah one-host nat, one-host netmask.. Jul 27 13:33:07 icky. Jul 27 13:33:16 not the totally noobie friendly setup ;) Jul 27 13:33:20 who thought of these sensible defaults ! :) Jul 27 13:33:41 192.168. .. oh yeah that's what everyone uses ! .. and that's why its bad. Jul 27 13:33:43 dunno but i think too, it should be changed Jul 27 13:33:48 Uhm.. Not quite following ya.. :S Do I have to change the IP of the router? Jul 27 13:33:54 EmKay, yes Jul 27 13:33:58 Ok.. To what? Jul 27 13:34:05 10.1.1.1 Jul 27 13:34:24 Ok.. Hang on.. Might get logged off then.. Jul 27 13:34:24 EmKay, anything outside "192.168.0.0" Jul 27 13:34:32 Will try 10.1.1.1 Jul 27 13:34:45 yeah you'll probably drop until your host gets dhcp again Jul 27 13:34:47 EmKay, but remeber to check DHCP setup too Jul 27 13:36:21 he'll probably need 10 for a work vpn or something and now that will break :) Jul 27 13:36:33 :) Jul 27 13:37:30 hopefully he hasn't static ips or a custom router that doesn't enforce checks on whether local IP and DHCP setup match Jul 27 13:38:08 * awesomo4k crosses fingers. Jul 27 13:38:22 well he didn't drop off yet Jul 27 13:39:07 this is a bad sign? he should drop off ;) Jul 27 13:39:19 yeah ... Jul 27 13:39:29 dang it what was that router password !? Jul 27 13:41:35 how do i tell if the kernel has 'ext2' support compiled in Jul 27 13:42:22 cat /proc/filesystems Jul 27 13:43:09 what's nodev mean Jul 27 13:43:19 dunno probably not in use? Jul 27 13:43:42 well no Jul 27 13:44:08 i think it means whether the filesystem is a physical filesystem or a pseudo filesystem Jul 27 13:44:35 so things like "proc", "nfs", etc don't need a disk Jul 27 13:44:55 yeap, but don't know for sure Jul 27 13:45:35 trying to intall on sd and boot to try out asu Jul 27 13:48:25 have you tried the underground build that uses the framebuffer from the german guys ? Jul 27 13:48:40 no-x11 , just framebuffer Jul 27 13:50:25 I've just a question about qtopia... Does it use framebuffer also in freerunner or something else? Jul 27 13:50:45 since it will be really cool running also non-qtopia apps... Jul 27 13:50:50 i think it uses x11 if the image filename appears correctly Jul 27 13:50:53 and asu is not quite stable yet Jul 27 13:51:05 well, I'm not using the asu version, eh Jul 27 13:51:15 the qtopia version from qtopia.net Jul 27 13:51:19 qtopia uses the freerunner, yes :) Jul 27 13:51:23 asu uses x11 :) Jul 27 13:51:32 ehrm... framebuffer! Jul 27 13:51:36 * awesomo4k still wants an ncurses-based distro Jul 27 13:52:20 a phone that looks like a terminal screen at all times is something to strive for Jul 27 13:52:29 ok Jul 27 13:53:04 qtopia is cool for a daily use but I miss gps :/ Jul 27 13:53:28 trevinho ... all the phone functions working? Jul 27 13:53:40 yes awesomo4k Jul 27 13:54:12 you need a dictionary for the predictive keyboard, but once you've made one it's quite good Jul 27 13:54:54 ah, however there's a big issue, due to the freerunner nature: you can't filter the contact list! Jul 27 13:55:03 that's due to the fact that freerunner has not keys Jul 27 13:55:41 this is the only thing that create me some problems Jul 27 13:55:42 Not really... Jul 27 13:55:52 You'd be able to filter it fine, except there's no filter input ;) Jul 27 13:56:38 So.. I'm back.. Jul 27 13:56:45 leinir: yes I knew that Jul 27 13:56:50 And that didn't work.. :S Jul 27 13:56:59 in fact I said that it's due to the fact that the freerunner has not keys P: Jul 27 13:57:00 Screwed up my whole network.. Jul 27 13:57:03 not by qtopia itself Jul 27 13:57:17 however using a fingernail to scroll the scroll bar could help Jul 27 13:57:20 but not so much Jul 27 13:57:22 But I'm back and just have to log in the Neo via the terminal again. Any other ideas? Jul 27 13:57:36 Trevinho: When i say "filter input" i mean an input box, not a keyboard :) Jul 27 13:57:58 Think the filter box in Amarok or iTunes or whatever your favourite music player's called :) Jul 27 13:58:02 EmKay, why didn't it work? Jul 27 13:58:33 Well.. I couldn't connect to the router.. So I guess that's not an option :S Jul 27 13:58:43 ha ha Jul 27 13:59:10 you couldn't connect to the router? Jul 27 13:59:24 yes leinir I understood Jul 27 13:59:28 ok :) Jul 27 13:59:37 No.. After I tried to change the router's ip to 10.1.1.1 there was no network and no connection the router what so ever :S Jul 27 13:59:56 Had to do a reset with the reset button on the router to get it back alive Jul 27 14:00:02 you would have to change IPs from the whole local network Jul 27 14:00:28 and adapt the IP of your pc it is static, too Jul 27 14:00:37 but... nobody knows something about qtopia 4.4 ? :P Jul 27 14:01:01 Well.. That's easier said than done.. :S Jul 27 14:01:10 Is there no other way? Jul 27 14:01:26 It must be possible even though the routers ip is 192.168.0.1 Jul 27 14:02:28 it is it's just tricky... Jul 27 14:03:01 is there any way to "calibrate" the touch screen? when I switch orientation I can not use any thing on the right side of the screen Jul 27 14:03:36 EmKay, there is Jul 27 14:03:42 Yeah? :P Jul 27 14:03:46 1. option: complicated NAT setup Jul 27 14:03:54 2. option: Bridge the interface Jul 27 14:04:15 3? Jul 27 14:04:15 don't forget 3 Jul 27 14:04:23 3. use the wifi to talk to the phone Jul 27 14:04:35 or for the phone to talk to the internet Jul 27 14:04:39 (if you have wifi) Jul 27 14:04:44 Well wifi is very desirable.. Jul 27 14:04:45 I do.. Jul 27 14:04:53 Sup3rkiddo: hey you Jul 27 14:04:58 So we can try to set that up instead..? Jul 27 14:06:03 EmKay - do you use wep or anything? Jul 27 14:06:14 Ainulindale, yo Jul 27 14:06:25 Can I ask you some questions about odeviced Sup3rkiddo ? Jul 27 14:06:26 is there a good way to import/export contacts in Openmoko? Jul 27 14:06:29 Yeah.. But I can switch if off if it's easier? Jul 27 14:06:30 does evolution work? Jul 27 14:06:39 Ainulindale, yeah...sure.. Jul 27 14:06:44 so.. you have a freerunner with just the default build that came with, right? Jul 27 14:06:55 Sup3rkiddo: If that's really you who's doing the GSoC project :-) Jul 27 14:06:56 Yeah Jul 27 14:07:05 iirc, iwconfig wasn't working with WEP on that ... Jul 27 14:07:09 Ainulindale, oh, thats my evil twin Jul 27 14:07:21 Well, I'll query you then :-) Jul 27 14:07:26 Ok. So I have to switch off WEP then? Jul 27 14:07:30 so yeah, no wep would be easier just until you get it out on the 'net to do an update Jul 27 14:07:41 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/dd2f616eee16a12b8c6864647f34ca96.png <= who posted this? Jul 27 14:07:46 Ainulindale, hehe sure Jul 27 14:07:46 Ok.. Jul 27 14:07:49 Its off Jul 27 14:07:50 you could use the usb0 adapter for the net. Jul 27 14:08:11 ok.. got a terminal session to the neo? Jul 27 14:08:11 until it works. i found the existing driver very unreliable. Jul 27 14:09:16 josch: what is that a screen cap of, a game/ Jul 27 14:09:17 NOW it's off.. :P Jul 27 14:09:20 Then what? Jul 27 14:10:23 ab0oo, o rly? Jul 27 14:10:30 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r37c29b8a5894 10/etc/dbus-1/system.d/frameworkd.conf: Allow ogpsd to claim the bus name org.freedesktop.Gypsy Jul 27 14:10:31 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rb20fc0f1c6c0 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ (gpsdevice.py ubx.py): ogpsd: Some cosmetic changes, don't import unused modules Jul 27 14:10:35 type /sbin/iwconfig eth0 essid "youressid" Jul 27 14:10:38 i found out: it's the manaworld mmorpg Jul 27 14:11:05 which implies someone has a client running on the freerunner... Jul 27 14:11:22 With or without " Jul 27 14:11:34 you need quotes if your essid has spaces in it Jul 27 14:11:40 probably don't if it doesn't Jul 27 14:11:45 vmware seems to have eaten my shift key. actually, even caps lock won't give me caps Jul 27 14:11:51 they don't hurt to leave in Jul 27 14:11:56 There.. Jul 27 14:12:02 I did have spaces.. Jul 27 14:12:07 ab0oo: setxbmap Jul 27 14:14:03 bash: setxbmap: command not found Jul 27 14:14:19 sorry: setxkbmap Jul 27 14:14:27 Is that it? :P Jul 27 14:14:43 woot! tmobile activated a new sim for me over the phone Jul 27 14:14:52 i can use 2007.2 now :) Jul 27 14:15:03 hehe, can't sudo, either, because i can't use the shift key... Jul 27 14:15:04 ok... now /sbin/ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.# <--- pick an unused IP address on your internal network Jul 27 14:15:36 awesomo4k: [hero] tag for you today. Jul 27 14:15:42 ab0oo: i had to make a panel launcher for xsetkbmap for when vmware messes up Jul 27 14:16:11 how do you escape the vmware window? the ctrl-A hint from the status bar is useless Jul 27 14:16:23 (I'm playing with the QTopia SDK, which is a vmware image) Jul 27 14:17:34 ab0oo: ctrl-alt Jul 27 14:17:52 ahh, all I saw before was ctrl-a, not "alt" Jul 27 14:17:58 Hmm.. Nothing happens Jul 27 14:18:11 EmKay8: route add default eth0 Jul 27 14:18:13 wait Jul 27 14:18:24 what does /sbin/ifconfig say Jul 27 14:18:34 Nothing. Cause nothing happens.. Jul 27 14:18:45 I have to cancel it to be able to write something again Jul 27 14:18:52 # /sbin/ifconfig eth0 Jul 27 14:18:53 ? Jul 27 14:19:35 Oh.. Okay.. It understood the command aparently.. It has set the ip address as specified Jul 27 14:19:43 Now the route thing? Jul 27 14:20:33 well ... try this first Jul 27 14:21:26 route add -host [ip of router] eth0 Jul 27 14:22:11 Yeah? Jul 27 14:22:20 And now? Jul 27 14:22:25 ping routerip Jul 27 14:22:44 Yeah.. Lots of answers :P Jul 27 14:22:52 7% packet loss :S Jul 27 14:22:58 Anyway.. There is a hole through :D Jul 27 14:23:07 so you can ping your internal router from the wifi on your phone Jul 27 14:23:10 good. Jul 27 14:23:13 Nice Jul 27 14:23:14 now make that the default route Jul 27 14:23:18 and you will Jul 27 14:23:21 probably drop your ssh connection Jul 27 14:23:48 Ok.. Is that the "route add default eth0"? Jul 27 14:24:17 yeah Jul 27 14:24:27 I will be able to access the Neo through the terminal again right? Jul 27 14:24:54 yeah but you should ssh to it from the wifi side Jul 27 14:25:13 Ok.. We will look at that in a while then :P Jul 27 14:25:23 So.. Default route added.. Jul 27 14:25:29 and did ssh drop? Jul 27 14:25:38 Nope.. Jul 27 14:25:47 Can still ping the router Jul 27 14:25:49 ping google.com Jul 27 14:26:02 No answer Jul 27 14:26:11 where does the freerunner save the sms'es? Jul 27 14:26:16 ping 4.2.2.2 Jul 27 14:26:40 please tell me :D Jul 27 14:26:45 No answer Jul 27 14:26:55 EmKay8: yß Jul 27 14:27:08 output of "route" ? Jul 27 14:27:14 arne_: Huh? Jul 27 14:27:21 EmKay8: sorry, missunderstanding Jul 27 14:27:57 192.168.0.1 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth0 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 default * 0.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 default 192.168.0.200 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 usb0 Jul 27 14:28:15 That's five lines :S Jul 27 14:29:03 route del 192.168.0.0 usb0 Jul 27 14:29:28 route: SIOCDELRT: No such process Jul 27 14:29:39 I typed "root@om-gta02:~# route del 192.168.0.0 usb0 " Jul 27 14:31:27 route delete 192.168.0.0 Jul 27 14:31:51 route: SIOCDELRT: No such process Jul 27 14:32:37 EmKay8: the route table appears as though you have multiple, conflicting routes going through different interfaces. that's generally not good Jul 27 14:32:52 Ok :S Jul 27 14:33:04 But why can't I delete them? Jul 27 14:33:08 so you want to delete the ones through usb0 Jul 27 14:33:17 uncertain Jul 27 14:33:20 look at route again Jul 27 14:33:49 no change Jul 27 14:36:02 route delete default Jul 27 14:37:08 Yeah.. Now number 4 in the table is gone.. Jul 27 14:37:27 ok Jul 27 14:37:29 do that again Jul 27 14:37:35 and see if the usb0 default route disappears Jul 27 14:38:09 it did Jul 27 14:38:14 progress. Jul 27 14:38:24 Yeahh.. Jul 27 14:38:27 You're the maaaan! :D Jul 27 14:38:37 route delete 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 usb0 Jul 27 14:38:49 I'l buy ya a biiig beer next time your in Copenhagen, Denmark :P Jul 27 14:39:11 thanks. Jul 27 14:39:30 i should screw up other peoples networks for a living Jul 27 14:39:35 route: netmask 000000ff and host route conflict Jul 27 14:39:37 LOL Jul 27 14:41:25 does everybody have that ncurses error when doing opkg upgrade? Jul 27 14:41:39 jup Jul 27 14:41:54 route delete -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 usb0 Jul 27 14:41:55 and also a kernel flash error Jul 27 14:42:07 the "-net" part needs to be in there i think Jul 27 14:42:36 Yup.. Now there is only 2 in the table Jul 27 14:42:57 ok.. which 2 Jul 27 14:43:11 192.168.0.1 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth0 Jul 27 14:43:13 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 Jul 27 14:43:19 ok .. Jul 27 14:43:24 how are you connected to the device Jul 27 14:43:27 ssh Jul 27 14:43:33 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rafb5685254e5 10/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.CB.xml.in: otapi: add forgotten spec file Jul 27 14:43:37 over the wifi ip? Jul 27 14:43:58 Uhm.. Don't know :S Jul 27 14:44:11 But I can't type anything now Jul 27 14:44:14 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r5fe5e47a0f86 10/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.xml.in: otapi: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.xml.in: improve docs, specify errors Jul 27 14:44:15 unplug it from usb and see if ssh terminates Jul 27 14:44:51 lpotter, are you around for QTopia SDK questions? Jul 27 14:44:51 Well.. It is just blinking now.. Jul 27 14:44:59 But I can't type anything Jul 27 14:45:08 ok. it probably dropped. Jul 27 14:45:12 ok Jul 27 14:45:13 try ssh wifiip Jul 27 14:45:16 ssh root@wifiip Jul 27 14:45:22 I have to close terminal then Jul 27 14:45:32 And open again.. Right? Jul 27 14:45:37 from your host? Jul 27 14:45:44 just start a new one Jul 27 14:45:46 On the computer.. Yes Jul 27 14:45:54 ctrl-shift-t Jul 27 14:45:55 hmm, given that it's 00:45 in brisbane, he's probably not. Jul 27 14:45:56 Oh.. Okay :P Jul 27 14:45:59 or ctrl-chift-n Jul 27 14:46:05 if you're in gnome-terminal Jul 27 14:46:08 anyone else have any qtopia SDK experience? Jul 27 14:46:36 ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.110 port 22: No route to host Jul 27 14:46:40 what am i supposed to do if a opkg upgrade fails and leaves double application icons in my freerunner mainline relase image ? Jul 27 14:47:20 I typed ssh root@192.168.0.110 Jul 27 14:47:39 EmKay8 can you /msg me in the other window Jul 27 14:48:30 ping 192.168.0.110 Jul 27 14:56:38 moo Jul 27 14:58:23 looks like the whole gang of misfits is now present. Jul 27 14:58:38 mew? ;) Jul 27 14:58:45 where's Dave? Jul 27 14:59:00 i was wondering that ;) Jul 27 14:59:14 mis-ing, mis-fit, same same Jul 27 14:59:32 Dave's not here, man. Jul 27 15:02:05 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rfcea195d63c1 10/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.HZ.xml.in: add org.freesmartphone.GSM.HZ.xml.in Jul 27 15:02:38 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r3c75db82af87 10/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.xml.in: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.xml.in: specify errors and improve docs Jul 27 15:05:08 openmoko: 03tick * r4558 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (opkg_install.c pkg.c pkg_extract.c): Jul 27 15:05:08 openmoko: opkg: balance the installed_files reference count Jul 27 15:05:08 openmoko: reducing some memory leaks Jul 27 15:12:55 wow I made a successful app for openmoko that does what its supposed to do :O Jul 27 15:13:38 :o Jul 27 15:16:21 Chocky, a forkbomb ;) Jul 27 15:16:34 it did what it was supposed to do ^^ Jul 27 15:17:38 main: Jul 27 15:17:41 bl fork Jul 27 15:17:43 b main Jul 27 15:17:46 .end Jul 27 15:17:54 f33r my ARM skillz. Jul 27 15:18:09 hehe I did it in python instead :P Jul 27 15:24:26 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r996666b4d5f3 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): ogpsd: Make use of the python logging module Jul 27 15:25:19 while True: Jul 27 15:25:24 os.fork() Jul 27 15:30:27 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r9f4f98fcc207 10/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.xml.in: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.xml.in: specify errors and enhance documentation Jul 27 15:34:21 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rb0f1bbe86193 10/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.xml.in: org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.xml.in: add error spec Jul 27 15:35:50 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rbaa60da3ab02 10/otapi/xhtml/ (5 files): otapi: regenerate xhtml docs Jul 27 15:54:16 Great, I cannot find one branch which works on qemu Jul 27 15:54:30 Tried asu.dev, it stays stuck repeating forever NAND debug junk Jul 27 15:55:10 Tried org.openmoko.dev (the old 2007.2 image), it doesn't even boot (gets back to uboot after I tell it to boot) Jul 27 15:56:19 Hi guys, I need some help repairing my neo, I just ran an opkg upgrade and now it hangs on boot. The phone will just stay at the loading screen indefinitely Jul 27 15:57:50 I can get into the NOR boot menu, but when I set the console to usb it brings me to the page, but that crashes and brings me back to the main menu after 5 seconds Jul 27 15:58:53 ryansv, yeah kernel-upgrade is brokem Jul 27 15:59:13 just load a kernel-flash via dfu and it will work again Jul 27 15:59:17 is there some milestone to when the freerunner should be running stable? Jul 27 15:59:29 "when it's ready" :o Jul 27 15:59:48 When I try boot from NOR menu, I get Wrong Image Format for bootm command / ERROR can't get kernel image Jul 27 16:00:01 Unfortunately I'm unable to connect via usb Jul 27 16:00:08 try NAND Jul 27 16:00:36 ryansv, why are you unable to connect via USB? Jul 27 16:02:08 niap: When I go into NOR or NAND boot menus and select "Set console to serial" it brings me to the press aux to return page then goes back to the main menu after 2 seconds Jul 27 16:02:19 sorry, "set console to usb" Jul 27 16:02:23 don't worry about that. reflash like niap says. Jul 27 16:02:35 ryansv: that's normal. "Set console to XXX" just changes some environment variables. Jul 27 16:02:36 ryansv, just stay in the boot menu Jul 27 16:02:40 dont select anything Jul 27 16:03:51 ok, tried that, but I still can't connect: "sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 --- > SIOCSIFADDR: No such device usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device" Jul 27 16:04:03 no, not that Jul 27 16:04:31 networking won't exist until you boot Linux. follow the reflash with dfu-util Jul 27 16:04:52 Chocky: sorry, still getting used to my device here, haven't tried flashing yet, but I'll take a look at the wiki page Jul 27 16:04:58 ok :o Jul 27 16:05:14 I could point that out on the USB networking page, since it's not immediately obvious. Jul 27 16:05:23 yeah i think so too Jul 27 16:05:37 chocky: any help would be appreciated :) Jul 27 16:05:39 and I've had problems with my FR upsetting my desktop USB Jul 27 16:08:24 hey, what does the final line "No such alternate setting: kernel" mean? Jul 27 16:08:27 sudo ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-2.6.24+git20080424-om-gta02.bin Jul 27 16:08:27 dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. Jul 27 16:08:27 This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY Jul 27 16:08:27 Opening USB Device 0x0000:0x0000... Jul 27 16:08:27 Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface... Jul 27 16:08:29 Determining device status: state = appIDLE, status = 0 Jul 27 16:08:31 Device really in Runtime Mode, send DFU detach request... Jul 27 16:08:33 Resetting USB... Jul 27 16:08:35 Opening USB Device... Jul 27 16:08:37 No such Alternate Setting: "kernel" Jul 27 16:11:08 <|Marco|> has there been any mention about long sms's ? ones that end up in 2 messages? I got a few now, on my nokia it merges them together, but not on the moko Jul 27 16:15:09 Hello, I have a Freerunner. I cannot get Internet over USB, I have tried the instructions of the wiki, but it doesn't work. I have Ubuntu... anybody here who can help? Jul 27 16:16:15 loonyxp: try this http://hackepedia.org/?title=Neo_freerunner Jul 27 16:16:43 Yashy: thanks, I'll take a look at it Jul 27 16:19:48 Yashy: unhelpful Jul 27 16:20:10 that is non-openmoko instructions which have not been checked and are far from incomplete Jul 27 16:20:23 loonyxp: unless we know what "doesn't work" we can't help you. Jul 27 16:20:52 s/incomplete/complete/ Jul 27 16:22:00 and frankly, it's unhelful and selfish for you to keep posting them. Jul 27 16:22:19 Chocky: I can ssh into the freerunner (but only when I add "up route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0" to /etc/network/interfaces Everything I tried from the wiki to forward the requests from the openmoko to the connected Ubuntu machine fails (i.e. I cannot ping an internetaddress, not www.google.com and not a real ip address) Jul 27 16:22:42 loonyxp: why are you adding that at all? Jul 27 16:22:56 there's no mention in the wiki of that. Jul 27 16:23:17 because without it i cannot ssh into the openmoko and yes, it is mentioned on the discussion page Jul 27 16:23:18 please follow through, step by step, the instructions, and tell us at what point it fails Jul 27 16:23:28 the discussion page is full of moose. Jul 27 16:23:59 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Jul 27 16:24:13 this is the page. follow through the manual section exactly. Jul 27 16:25:04 Chocky: I follwoed the instructions, I tried that for days now. If you are not able to ask specific questions and cannot help me then please don't answer. It does not make sense to discuss that I should follwo the instructions, because I said that I did that. Jul 27 16:25:33 I _can_ help you. I wrote that page. but it's _imperetive_ you follow the instructions exactly and tell us at which point it fails Jul 27 16:25:51 loonyxp: Ignore him and his attitude, he's a troll. Try the steps I mentioned, they are easier and just work. Jul 27 16:26:02 Chocky: Please reread my answers: I did tell you at which point it fails Jul 27 16:26:14 loonyxp: the route add command is not part of the instructions Jul 27 16:26:40 which part of the manual instructions fails? Jul 27 16:26:54 please ignore yashy and his private non moko wiki. it is incomplete and inaccurate. Jul 27 16:27:07 loonyxp: after you plug in the freerunner and do the ifconfig usb0, is there a route to 192.168.0.0/24 in your routing table? Jul 27 16:27:19 plz: sigh. Jul 27 16:27:36 we will just go in circles like this. Jul 27 16:27:38 Chocky: Without the "route add" command I cannot ssh into the openmoko. I already mentioned that. Jul 27 16:28:16 loonyxp: when you do the ifconfig usb0 or ifup usb0, that should automatically add the route to the phone Jul 27 16:28:26 loonyxp: hence our suprise that you need to do an explicit add Jul 27 16:28:44 Kernel 2.4 diddn't do that. Jul 27 16:28:44 loonyxp: then I must conclude that you are, in fact, not following the instructions. Again, at which point do the instructions fail you? Jul 27 16:28:55 SpeedEvil: good point Jul 27 16:29:02 loonyxp: what kernel version are you running? Jul 27 16:29:05 pjz: but probably not relevant :) Jul 27 16:29:15 SpeedEvil: you never know :) Jul 27 16:30:06 never mind. there's too many people "helping" here. Jul 27 16:30:06 pjz: yes, this is a surprise to me to, but without it doesn't work at all (ssh into freerunner). Okay, I will now just copy and paste from the wiki, go through the steps again and then tell you again, whats not working. BTW: I use Kubuntu (which is like Ubuntu from the network side), so I am using Kernel 2.6 Jul 27 16:30:14 I will go back to my own work. Jul 27 16:30:43 loonyxp: how are you giving usb0 an IP address? via /etc/network/interfaces? Jul 27 16:30:56 Chocky: Glad that you understand what "Community" means Jul 27 16:31:08 pjz: yes Jul 27 16:31:14 loonyxp: glad you have no clue about following instructions. Jul 27 16:31:36 you came in here and said it "didn't work" then ignored my questions. sorry, you fail. Jul 27 16:31:46 loonyxp: so after you assign it in there, do you do an 'ifup --force usb0' ? or how do you make the usb interface be configured? Jul 27 16:32:19 pjz: ifdown and ifup or just disconnect the device and plug it in again Jul 27 16:32:23 pjz: TBH, I think you're making it far more complex than it needs to be. Jul 27 16:32:56 Chocky: some people like explanations more than just directions. Jul 27 16:33:07 yes, but you're doing it completely backwards Jul 27 16:33:13 you don't know what his IPs, are, etc. Jul 27 16:33:22 and the page contains some quite detailed explations. Jul 27 16:33:47 This is my /etc/network/interfacesauto usb0iface usb0 inet static address 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.0.0 up iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 & up echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward & up iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT & up route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0 down iptables -D POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 & Jul 27 16:33:47 Chocky: if you want to do it, feel free, but I thought you had given up Jul 27 16:34:02 well, you know best. Jul 27 16:34:34 but ultimately, none of this helps anyone else with improved USB networking instructioons. Jul 27 16:34:36 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r83a6d18e7138 10/src/zhone: use the first free index when storing contacts Jul 27 16:34:37 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r558f6349b5fc 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): allow dialing '+' via multitap Jul 27 16:35:08 pjz: and my router has 192.168.0.1, my Ubuntu machine has 192.168.0.34 and 192.168.0.200 (dev usb0) and 192.168.0.202 is the freerunner... Jul 27 16:35:30 Chocky: Hate to say this but your 'assistance' technique is rather poor. Jul 27 16:35:43 johncylee: tough shit. Jul 27 16:35:57 if he'd answerd my questions exxactly, we'd have long since had an answer Jul 27 16:36:07 now we _finally_ have the IPs. Jul 27 16:36:15 and so the solution should be simple. Jul 27 16:36:24 I understand what you're saying, but your not being helpful. Jul 27 16:36:33 johngay: my helpful? Jul 27 16:36:49 correct. I've been blocked from being helpful by yashy. Jul 27 16:37:02 Obviously he doesn't understand your line of reasoning, and abusing him doesn't help any. Jul 27 16:37:13 Come on people, please don't discuss these matters... I am really thankful for any help... so lets just stay on topic here... Jul 27 16:37:24 ...sigh.... Jul 27 16:37:35 johngay: you and he started the abuse, thanks. Jul 27 16:38:04 I didn't start abuse, I'm offering constructive criticism. Jul 27 16:38:08 Chocky: If I offended you, then please accept my apology... Jul 27 16:38:18 loonyxp: not offended, just annoyed. Jul 27 16:38:35 So, all... What information do you need to help me out of my problem? Jul 27 16:39:14 Thats why you should take a moment to calm down, see what info does help him. Jul 27 16:39:39 mornin Jul 27 16:40:01 try ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.248 Jul 27 16:40:18 morning Jul 27 16:40:34 Chocky: with or without /etc/network/interfaces entries from the wiki? Jul 27 16:40:38 loonyxp: okay, see, the problem is that your ethernet interface is on the same block as the usb interface Jul 27 16:40:43 don't change anything on the FR Jul 27 16:40:45 why's everyone pms'ing Jul 27 16:40:56 the usual i guess? Jul 27 16:41:08 Chocky: I won't, I promise Jul 27 16:41:20 yeah suspend gets under myskin too Jul 27 16:41:41 pjz: whats the solution for that? Jul 27 16:41:43 I see how I can expand the ping about ssh on the wiki. Jul 27 16:41:44 loonyxp: change the netmask to be 255.255.255.248 in your /etc/network/interfaces Jul 27 16:41:52 Chocky: please be patient, I am trying your command Jul 27 16:42:12 pjz: there's no need to change FR. it's sufficient to change the routing on the desktop. Jul 27 16:42:38 Chocky: hthat's what I meat, on the desktop, not the FR Jul 27 16:42:56 yes, but don't change any desktop files _either_ until you can manually configure it. Jul 27 16:43:03 Chocky: ok, this is the output of netstat -rl: 192.168.0.200 * 255.255.255.248 U 0 0 0 usb0 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 169.254.0.0 * 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 default 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 Jul 27 16:43:25 can you ping 192.168.0.202 from desktop? Jul 27 16:43:26 Chocky: should I ssh into freerunner and try internet? Jul 27 16:43:33 Chocky: w8 Jul 27 16:43:41 if you can, then you should be able to ssh Jul 27 16:43:44 Chocky: yep Jul 27 16:43:54 i was having ifconfig usb0 problems lastnight aswell, think my usb mouse was the culprit, ifconfig usb0 (nosuch dev) Jul 27 16:44:06 Ok, so ssh works (as before :) ) Jul 27 16:44:15 kd8ikt: FR upsets my desktop USB sometimes. not sure if it's related to dfu-util doing something. Jul 27 16:44:30 Chocky: nah, fix the mask in the desktop /etc/network/interfaces first, then ifup --force usb0 Jul 27 16:45:20 loonyxp: now follow rest of instructions in "Testing your connection" Jul 27 16:45:22 Chocky: Ok, it works, I can ping www.google.com from ssh (freerunner) now Jul 27 16:45:26 good. Jul 27 16:45:31 Thanks a lot! Jul 27 16:45:33 pjz: it's not required. Jul 27 16:45:53 loonyxp: now the "make it permanent bit" Jul 27 16:46:43 I aded it in /etc/network/interfaces Jul 27 16:46:53 Chocky: this should be enough, I think Jul 27 16:47:23 i fixed my wpa_supplicant.conf lastnight and added /etc/init.d/wlan and now it auto connects to my prefered net on bootup ;) yay wpa2 psk Jul 27 16:47:56 Chocky, pjz: thanks for your help! bye! Jul 27 16:51:19 Glad to see that sorted. Jul 27 16:51:42 see what happens when we follow instructions? Jul 27 16:52:33 And what happens when you start listening? (= Jul 27 16:52:41 I was listening all along. Jul 27 16:52:53 but I can't listen to information I don't get. Jul 27 16:53:08 and making assumptions is a good way to get everyone confused. Jul 27 16:53:23 Let me make this clear. I fully support your aims, it's just your manner kinda gets in the way. Jul 27 16:53:29 uh huh Jul 27 16:53:56 damn, i remember why i never step in #linux or #fedora or #debian anymore Jul 27 16:54:00 let me make this clear - I've been helping people a long long time. I know that conflicting information and reports of "don't work" help no one, take longer and leave everyone annoyed Jul 27 16:54:32 hi all Jul 27 16:54:43 I know that the rewrite of the USB page is imperfect, but it's a whole lot better than it was. But I won't be upstaged by the pansy Yashy with his half-arsed information Jul 27 16:54:59 jeeeeze Jul 27 16:55:04 let's play nice children Jul 27 16:55:08 Everyone makes assumtions. Obviously he made one about needing to add a route manually. Jul 27 16:55:40 john are you gay? Jul 27 16:55:47 certainly, and that wasn't his fault. I've now removed that stuff. But it's important to answer the questions. Jul 27 16:56:13 but that wasn't my implications in mentioning assumptions. I was referring to myself not trying to make any. Jul 27 16:56:15 Asking him calmly why he did that would have been much more helpfull that repeating "Follow the directions! Follow the directions! Follow the directions! " Jul 27 16:56:29 johngay: except I didn't say that. Jul 27 16:56:49 Thats the way you came across. Jul 27 16:56:50 you can critique me all you want, but unless you're in the hot seat, it's just air. Jul 27 16:57:00 bully for you. Jul 27 16:57:19 Thats why I said you needed to calm down. Jul 27 16:57:54 uh huh. Jul 27 16:58:05 Your frustration was coming across as hostile. And I know that wasn't your intention. Jul 27 16:58:10 i get paid to support linux...anyone want some tips :) Jul 27 16:58:12 give it a rest. Jul 27 16:58:16 you have no idea. Jul 27 16:58:18 i'll gladly dole em out! Jul 27 16:58:20 :) Jul 27 16:58:30 whew i ned to make some evolution filters/actions i signed up to almost every openmoko mailing list and now i'm getting 100's of email Jul 27 16:58:52 and they arent what i expected Jul 27 16:58:56 tkep: from RH - no thanks :p Jul 27 16:59:04 gentlemen, chocky and johngay, miscommunication is an ugly thing on irc...its very simple to say "DOH...perhaps from another point of view it was not what I intended." Jul 27 16:59:16 Ah, everyone has an opinion. Jul 27 16:59:22 more or less like loonyxp OMG HELP ME WHAT BUTTON TURNS ON MY PHONE! Jul 27 16:59:39 lol, rh, i'd hate to work for such a terrible company...... :-) Jul 27 17:01:09 anyone use evolution email religiously? i told it to remember my passwpord but everycheckup it still pops up a pw window and makes me click "ok?!" Jul 27 17:01:25 even though my password is in it Jul 27 17:01:43 nah, I'm oldschool, I use thunderbird and an IMAP server Jul 27 17:01:57 oldskool is POP3 Jul 27 17:02:04 i use it on my lappy, but thunderbird at work. i like to use evolution more, but it is kinda buggy at times for real work Jul 27 17:02:20 kd8ikt, i don't have that issue though Jul 27 17:02:34 guess mines b0rked Jul 27 17:03:14 wanna give me some information on your setup? Jul 27 17:03:16 version? Jul 27 17:03:39 2.22.3.1 Jul 27 17:04:34 kd8ikt, one sec, i might have to getback with you Jul 27 17:04:35 call at work Jul 27 17:13:12 Chocky: nice work on the wiki, BTW. Jul 27 17:13:58 Uh oh! Thunder! I've gotta log off before I loose power. FPL suck. )= Jul 27 17:14:52 heh Jul 27 17:15:25 i really should hookup a temp backup power supply to my modem/routers Jul 27 17:17:27 * SpeedEvil has a router with a 12V car battery floated in parallel with the input. Jul 27 17:18:07 heh Jul 27 17:18:28 hey i heard your selling cap's and screen condoms Jul 27 17:18:42 you're Jul 27 17:18:42 Yes. Jul 27 17:19:07 Isn't Freerunner supposed to be in stock on July 25? Jul 27 17:19:18 hows the cap mod perform? any significant advantage to having it Jul 27 17:19:27 I have no idea. Jul 27 17:19:31 Not having one. Jul 27 17:20:32 hm well i know a lil local electronics store that should have some surface mount cap's i might give it a shot Jul 27 17:20:48 0402 are unlikely to be stocked. Jul 27 17:21:49 just any 10pF wont work? Jul 27 17:22:00 that's the size in the mod Jul 27 17:22:14 Any size other than 0402 won't fit well. Jul 27 17:23:30 so 0402 is like really small compared to garden variety suface mount components? Jul 27 17:25:59 yes, 0.8mm :o Jul 27 17:26:26 heh yeah wiki is telling me it is the smallest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-mount_technology#Package_sizes Jul 27 17:27:27 .008 Jul 27 17:27:39 is anybody using python on the gta2? Jul 27 17:29:44 yes Jul 27 17:30:01 there's the gta02.py script for testing LEDs/accelerometers Jul 27 17:30:51 ieatlint's http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/leds.py Jul 27 17:30:51 is there a blog or wiki page I should keep an eye on for an update when a GUI wifi-setup app makes it to the nightly builds? Jul 27 17:31:19 http://lint-wifi.projects.openmoko.org/ Jul 27 17:31:48 dunno if it'll ever get into the opkg repo Jul 27 17:32:09 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Lint-wifi Jul 27 17:32:14 Anyone knows how to change the password on the Freerunner if is has been changed to something you don't know :S Jul 27 17:32:14 w00t link madness! Jul 27 17:32:26 use the terminal on the moko? Jul 27 17:32:33 and type what? Jul 27 17:32:36 passwd Jul 27 17:32:46 kd8ikt -> thank you! Jul 27 17:32:50 then enter a bunch of times to reset it to nothing Jul 27 17:33:05 hax! Jul 27 17:33:13 heh howd that guy ever get a moko? Jul 27 17:33:25 what guy? Jul 27 17:33:46 cmon how can you not know how to change passord Jul 27 17:34:01 actually, it's not a very obvious command Jul 27 17:34:17 Cause i'm noob :P Jul 27 17:34:18 who knows how he changed it. Jul 27 17:34:41 nothit Jul 27 17:34:58 I didn't change it.. Someone else did.. Thats the problem.. But I think i figured it out now.. Jul 27 17:35:04 Thanks kd8ikt :P Jul 27 17:35:23 :P Jul 27 17:36:00 i think i lost my headphones, or my cat ate em Jul 27 17:36:47 stick the cat's tail in the headphone jack and see what happens. Jul 27 17:36:56 meow. Jul 27 17:37:08 you'd look pretty funny walking down the street with a cat wrapped around your head Jul 27 17:37:55 of course, I don't know you, so you might just look funny walking down the street, period. Jul 27 17:37:55 and you'd look like a poser with an iPhone - what's your point? Jul 27 17:38:07 you try and shove the cat's tail into anything and you'll walk down the street covered in scratches Jul 27 17:38:08 it's certainly possible. Jul 27 17:38:54 ieatlint: good point Jul 27 17:39:03 cjb, kd8ikt thanks Jul 27 17:41:04 ieatlint, thank you for the hint with the battery, took the BL-5C from the nokia gps, worked like a charm Jul 27 17:41:22 glad to hear it Jul 27 17:41:27 you've a backup now too :P Jul 27 17:42:05 yeah :-) Jul 27 17:42:16 i think i need to tweak with alsa states cause when i plug in the headphones(found em) and place a call it has unbearable noise Jul 27 17:43:21 that's called your voice Jul 27 17:43:59 :P Jul 27 17:44:04 hehe Jul 27 17:44:50 ieatlint: did you solve your problem ? Jul 27 17:44:58 no, but i did try and sleep Jul 27 17:45:10 That's fine too Jul 27 17:45:34 i confirmed it wasn't the keyboard applet Jul 27 17:45:45 as per the wiki, to get the full size keyboard, i installed 3 packages Jul 27 17:46:08 Why is it a confirmation of some sort ? Jul 27 17:46:12 to enable the show/hide taskbar thingy, i merely added "keyboard" to a line in /etc/matchbox/session Jul 27 17:46:23 yeah i got awoken by a phonecall Jul 27 17:46:27 You should try without, just to be sure Jul 27 17:46:36 i did remove it Jul 27 17:46:38 probably only had like 5hrs of sleep Jul 27 17:46:48 later today i'll re-flash the rootfs Jul 27 17:46:53 Ok Jul 27 17:46:58 but i leave in 10min for a soccer game Jul 27 17:47:08 Heh, these youngsters ! Jul 27 17:57:13 Hello World - Anyone have any idea what's in the pipe for the next revision of the OpenMoko? I love the philosophy of this phone, but honestly I don't really want to buy it until there's a version of it built around the Intel Atom or another x86 embedded cpu. Thoughts? Jul 27 17:57:31 When I try to ssh into my Neo I get this: WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! Add correct host key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message. Jul 27 17:57:38 What to do? :S Jul 27 17:57:47 RSA host key for 10.11.12.13 has changed and you have requested strict checking. Host key verification failed. Jul 27 17:57:50 Meh, firstly, not a big deal Jul 27 17:58:10 To "fix" that, one approach is to remove the ~/.ssh/known_hosts file Jul 27 17:58:19 it'll just get re-created Jul 27 17:58:33 Okay then.. How to do that then :P Jul 27 17:58:37 Jaymus, why would one want that crappy instructions set in an embedded device? Jul 27 17:59:16 lol.. Well, it could be the crappiest instruction set in the world hari, but the fact of the matter is, there's a TON of x86 software out there Jul 27 17:59:24 leveraging that would be extremely prudent Jul 27 17:59:30 rm ~/.ssh/known_hosts Jul 27 17:59:30 EmKay8..... Jul 27 17:59:33 yeah Jul 27 17:59:39 exactly what kd8int said Jul 27 17:59:40 Jaymus, so you want to run which desktop software on your phone? Jul 27 18:00:01 Jaymus: People don't use x86 in embedded devices because it requires many chips and sucks power like nothing else. Jul 27 18:00:05 Jaymus, (that can't be recompiled) Jul 27 18:00:19 But I still get the warning.. Even though the file doesn't exist anymore :S Jul 27 18:00:24 i think he just doesnt want to crosscompile Jul 27 18:00:27 Jaymus: (north bridge, south bridge, etc. The ARM architecture is often a single chip, and a fraction of the power draw.) Jul 27 18:00:35 Well, I want the option to levarage innovation that occurs in the x86 space. So. I COULD tell you things I'd like to use now, but the whole point of it is that new innovation for x86 that doesn't exist yet could be used Jul 27 18:01:06 Jaymus: you don't get to pick and choose. if you choose x86, then you also choose four hours of battery life. you probably don't want to choose four hours of battery life. Jul 27 18:01:06 muahaha.. innovations and x86 in the same sentence.. sorry, that instruction set is full of crap and legacy Jul 27 18:01:10 Jaymus, what innovation? the whole idea of x86 is legacy... Jul 27 18:01:12 cjb saw ya on tango! Jul 27 18:01:15 Yeah, the whole point of the Intel Atom is to bring x86 to embedded devices. I'm pretty sure it's an SoC, but I could be mistaken Jul 27 18:01:38 wow... Jul 27 18:01:41 Jaymus, Atoms power consumption is still a magnitude above lean risc Jul 27 18:01:45 the arm is a very nice architecture.. in my eyes if fits the bill pretty much at the moment Jul 27 18:01:46 archs Jul 27 18:02:01 that's true, Atom is a legitimate attempt. to be frank, my answer to how to get good power draw on x86 is still "well, I wouldn't start here to get there". Jul 27 18:02:41 Not entirely sure what you mean cjb Jul 27 18:02:54 What CPU does the openmoko use? PXA something? Jul 27 18:03:01 Samsung ARM Jul 27 18:03:02 No, it's an ARM. Jul 27 18:03:07 Cool.. Okay.. Jul 27 18:03:16 I wonder what it's power usage is.. Jul 27 18:03:20 cjb, xscale is in certain way arm too Jul 27 18:03:46 Jaymus: in low power mode, the neo1973 uses .3W - total. Jul 27 18:04:04 Jaymus: that's the CPU running at 50MHz. Jul 27 18:04:11 Jaymus: I just mean that slimming down an x86 is still kind of a losing proposition. The right answer is not to use a 1980s architecture. Jul 27 18:04:12 Now be nice to me, I'm learning here, so I'm not trying to dictate what's best, but rather what seems best to me. So I expect you guys to put forth your conflicting (and possibly more "correct" ideas) - which I think you are. Jul 27 18:04:29 Jaymus: yup, don't mean to be nasty :) Jul 27 18:04:43 your original statement assumed that you can just pick an instruction set without consequence, to me Jul 27 18:04:46 It's cool, you don't sound nasty either Jul 27 18:04:51 Advanced or Acorn, RISC (Reduced Instruction Set Computing), Machine Jul 27 18:04:55 and if that were true, of course everyone would choose x86. it's very much not true. :) Jul 27 18:04:58 well, I'm aware that there are definitely power implications Jul 27 18:05:42 However, from reading little press releases (yes, not that much perspective) I figured that maybe the Atom was indeed very close to the ARM, MIPS, whatever chips that seem to be used all over Jul 27 18:05:55 Jaymus, i recommend you go to arstechnica they have quiet useful texts about different architectures and even some about atom Jul 27 18:05:55 Here's a totally NUTS idea...... Jul 27 18:05:59 kd8ikt, back, sorry for the wait Jul 27 18:06:05 cluster issues take a while :( Jul 27 18:06:13 (Thanks niap) Jul 27 18:06:15 hi anyone now what to type in tangogps in the field GPSD Host Jul 27 18:06:26 maps.google.com Jul 27 18:06:27 Is it /dev/ttySAC1? Jul 27 18:06:30 :) Jul 27 18:06:32 someone knows where to download wifi-lint? Jul 27 18:06:40 kd8ikt, what was that version again? Jul 27 18:06:41 localhost Jul 27 18:06:43 hi Jul 27 18:06:44 pazante, 127.0.0.1? Jul 27 18:06:45 lint-wifi Jul 27 18:06:45 should work Jul 27 18:07:04 you need to setup gpsd to read from /dev/ttySAC1 Jul 27 18:07:04 cjb: My Nintendo DS has TWO cpus in it.. One older ARM chip for compatability with their previous generation of games and a newer one for the DS games.... Jul 27 18:07:20 the ds rocks. Jul 27 18:07:22 Jaymus: that of course adds costs. Jul 27 18:07:26 anyone knows if the fso images are available daily for de gta01? Jul 27 18:07:38 it says no GPS found Jul 27 18:07:40 cjb: Could it be possible to have both an ARM and an x86 embedded chip? Jul 27 18:07:58 tkep: 2.22.3.1 Jul 27 18:08:01 cjb: Sure it adds costs and more points of failure Jul 27 18:08:07 Jaymus: adds _lots_ of cost. Jul 27 18:08:07 cjb: understood Jul 27 18:08:14 cjb: ohh? Jul 27 18:08:23 Jaymus: I'd be surprised if it added under $50 cost - $100 sticker. Jul 27 18:08:24 speedEvil: Yeah, like double or something? Jul 27 18:08:30 SpeedEvil ::1 Jul 27 18:08:41 <-- loves ipv6 Jul 27 18:08:56 kd8ikt, ubuntu user ? Jul 27 18:08:57 speedevil: See, this is great conversation. I have no freaking knowledge of these types of implications.. Jul 27 18:09:08 speedevil, cjb: Thank you guys - seriously. Jul 27 18:09:17 yea Jul 27 18:09:20 tkep: Jul 27 18:09:27 figured, i'm running the same without issue. Jul 27 18:09:41 like if anyone wants they can ping6 my moko 2001:470:1f11:c7:212:cfff:fe8f:347b Jul 27 18:09:49 Ballpark numbers - +-50% Jul 27 18:09:49 imap or pop? Jul 27 18:09:53 kd8ikt, ^^ Jul 27 18:09:54 pop Jul 27 18:09:59 I think it would be cool to have an fpga in GTA0N Jul 27 18:10:02 SpeedEvil: like this "echo "GPS_DEV=\"/dev/ttySAC1\"" > /etc/default/gpsd"? Jul 27 18:10:03 ok, so there's a difference thus far Jul 27 18:10:04 haha Jul 27 18:10:14 pjz: FPGA's are *huge* power hogs. Jul 27 18:10:15 pazante: I haven't configured gpsd Jul 27 18:10:22 i give up its not a huge issue i just have to click a button every so often Jul 27 18:10:27 and has this been a problem since befor ethe evolution updates a few weeks ago? Jul 27 18:10:36 nah always been like that Jul 27 18:10:38 kd8ikt: no I can't. Jul 27 18:10:39 cjb: good point, but is that alwas or only when reprogramming? Jul 27 18:10:44 We actually put one in the first betas of the OLPC, because we hadn't finished the silicon for that chip yet. Battery life suffered tremendously. Jul 27 18:10:48 kd8ikt: can you fix my network? Jul 27 18:10:53 kd8ikt: working on alsamixer settings page on the wiki 'Neo alsamixer' please help if you are working on alamixer settings and anyone else who want to too Jul 27 18:10:57 i would assume it's your server settings then...but you are sure the pw is stored? Jul 27 18:10:58 pjz: always, I think. Jul 27 18:11:05 cjb: ah, I see Jul 27 18:11:10 cant ping6 my moko? Jul 27 18:11:11 I still get the "Host key verification failed. " Jul 27 18:11:22 Anyone know about this? Jul 27 18:11:28 cjb: another thing I was thinking was that iwbn to switch to static ram or something Jul 27 18:11:28 kd8ikt: ping6 says net unreachable Jul 27 18:11:38 EmKay: where are you, and where are you trying to SSH to? Jul 27 18:11:43 EmKay: that's because you switched distros or something such that the ssh key of your phone chnaged Jul 27 18:11:48 rm ~/.ssh/known_hosts EmKay then ssh root@openmoko Jul 27 18:11:54 EmKay: what kd8ikt said Jul 27 18:11:58 the easiest solution is to run ssh-keygen -R Jul 27 18:12:08 EmKay: see the wiki page on USB networking Jul 27 18:12:14 there's stuff on the USB networking page, but it's not 100% complete. Jul 27 18:12:20 speedevil, cjb: What about speed - is there reasonably a ton of room for speedup with the Freerunner solely in code optimizations - or is the CPU the bigger bottleneck? Jul 27 18:12:36 But I did that.. The known_hosts file does not exist on my desktop Jul 27 18:12:37 Jaymus: code optimisations are totally possible. Jul 27 18:12:42 Are there still 850's left? Jul 27 18:12:42 Jaymus: lots of improvements to be done cf gfx chip - glamo Jul 27 18:12:45 EmKay: if you rm~/.ssh/known_hosts, then you will delete the fingerprints for _all_ the hosts you have ssh'd into Jul 27 18:12:47 really SpeedEvil i think your stuff is broke http://www.berkom.blazing.de/tools/ping.cgi?STR=2001%3A470%3A1f11%3Ac7%3A212%3Acfff%3Afe8f%3A347b Jul 27 18:12:53 tunys: right now, no. there will be. Jul 27 18:12:55 hang on.. Jul 27 18:13:00 Chocky: thanks Jul 27 18:13:12 Jaymus: consider that you can run fullscreen DOOM at 25fps VGA on a P100 class CPU - which the FR is. Jul 27 18:13:14 I finally convinced my parents to get me a FreeRunner after a trip to OSCON Jul 27 18:13:27 kd8ikt: that's why I said fix my network. Jul 27 18:13:33 heh Jul 27 18:13:39 kd8ikt: I haven't bothered getting 6 working Jul 27 18:13:44 no point having both x86 and ARM. Better to have just x86 (much faster) and emulate ARM using JIT. that'll be just as fast as a real ARM Jul 27 18:13:48 no i will not fix your computer lolz Jul 27 18:13:53 what broker are you using? Jul 27 18:14:01 * kd8ikt uses he.net Jul 27 18:14:12 I broke all my computers. Jul 27 18:14:33 something wouldnt compile? so you took a hammer to them? Jul 27 18:14:33 SpeedEvil: FR's CPU is more comparible to a P233. But cross CPU comparisons are rough. Jul 27 18:14:45 Chocky: I disagree. Jul 27 18:14:45 SpeedEvil: I'm just concerned with getting this thing more zippy - so I'm curious what's standing between now and the kind of eye candy we see with the iPhone/iPod Touch// Jul 27 18:14:55 Chocky: the vastly smaller cache really hurts. Jul 27 18:14:57 Chocky: oh Jul 27 18:14:58 as you wish, but I've been using ARM and x86 for a long, long, long time. Jul 27 18:14:59 Chocky: FR, yes Jul 27 18:15:08 Ok then.. Now it says that my password is incorrect when I try to ssh into my neo from my ubuntu. But I just changed it to be blank :S Jul 27 18:15:19 Jaymus: iphone has hardware accel as I understand it that actually works. Jul 27 18:15:22 Chocky: I suggested having both so that when not wanting to leverage some great x86 goodness, one can use the lower powered ARM chip Jul 27 18:15:34 try passwd again on the moko EmKay Jul 27 18:15:42 Jaymus: also it adds horribleness. Jul 27 18:15:57 Jaymus: well, it wouldn't be "lower power" if it had x86, and it would be a manufaturing nightmare. Plus the ARM emulation works right now. Jul 27 18:15:58 SpeedEvil: What do you mean? Jul 27 18:15:59 SpeedEvil: what ipv6 broker do you have? Jul 27 18:15:59 Jaymus: you need to code to take into account two CPUs, with all the locking requirements. Jul 27 18:16:10 How many times? :S Jul 27 18:16:13 kd8ikt: I don't have one - I haven't looked into v6 Jul 27 18:16:21 I have changed it to blank three times now.. Jul 27 18:16:29 oh well noshit you cant ping6 without a ipv6 tunnel :P Jul 27 18:16:38 there's a difference between a blank password and no password :-| Jul 27 18:16:42 anyone knows where to find lint-wifi? Jul 27 18:16:53 someone needs to add momentum to the contact list scrolling Jul 27 18:17:00 is mickey the keeper of opkg? Jul 27 18:17:25 SpeedEvil: Yeah, I'd expect it to add a ton of complexity. I'm really just trying to think of how to open up the device more to be able to run other software Jul 27 18:17:25 mmaestri: projects.openmoko.org Jul 27 18:17:38 hell, no Jul 27 18:17:38 Huh? So typing nothing to set the new password on the moko is not the same as typing nothing to log in via ssh on the ubuntu? Jul 27 18:17:45 pjz: there are no files published yet Jul 27 18:17:48 SpeedEvil: I suppose what I really have in mind is making the OpenMoko more of a netbook packaged as a phone than anything Jul 27 18:17:50 thankfully there are _some_ things for which I'm not responsible Jul 27 18:17:55 mail to opkg-devel wrt. opkg Jul 27 18:18:10 mmaestri: when did you check last? Jul 27 18:18:13 Jaymus: it wouldn't be "the device", it'd be sometihng completely different. More like the eePC or someting as a phone. Jul 27 18:18:23 mmaestri: they were published sometime yesterday I think Jul 27 18:18:26 pjz: 20 seconds ago Jul 27 18:18:29 since you'd have to change everything and start from sratch with the hardware Jul 27 18:18:37 I just wanted to whine that "An error ocurred, return value: 2." is an evil way of saying "the package you want to install doesn't exist" Jul 27 18:19:03 theocrite: \o/ SD booting page. Jul 27 18:19:06 but if that involves anything more than a blurb on irc, I'm too lazy on a sunday afternoon.. :) Jul 27 18:19:08 er, thewtex Jul 27 18:19:25 Chocky: Well, as long as it's still the same physical dimensions with excellent battery life (like, I can at least have it on standby (but able to take calls in my pocket for a day - then sure, eee in my pocket is precisely what I mean Jul 27 18:19:43 ab0oo: shell script: if [ $? = 2 ]; then echo "package not found"; fi Jul 27 18:19:54 Jaymus: well, as long as you have a year and the money or two to design the hardware and software, go ahead. Jul 27 18:19:59 pjz: you're a little evil, you know... Jul 27 18:20:07 ab0oo: I try :) Jul 27 18:20:40 [ $? == 2 ] && echo "Package teh lose!" && exit 2 Jul 27 18:20:40 mmaestri: http://projects.openmoko.org/scm/?group_id=167 Jul 27 18:20:58 No matter what I try with the passwords I get a permission denied now :( Jul 27 18:21:17 Chocky: I already emailed OpenMoko and the guy running OpenHardware.org on this - I'm thinking of trying to help organize the community to collaborate and come up with a reference design for the next gen OpenMoko - or something else if this isn't a group that's interested in an x86 handheld Jul 27 18:21:20 mickey|bbl: since your an embedded genius, can you tell me if there's any significant difference between the arm4 in the freerunner and the arm5te architecture on my gumstix? Jul 27 18:21:29 Wow, I must sound like I work for Intel - I definitely don't - lol Jul 27 18:21:33 ab0oo: you're :p Jul 27 18:21:42 ab0oo: I can tell you that Jul 27 18:21:57 ok, you looked busy, that's all, Chocky. Jul 27 18:21:59 ab0oo: yes. there's a bunch of instructions armv4 is missing Jul 27 18:22:07 basically, arm5 adds some more instructions, and has slightly different architecture. they're much the same performance, hwoever. Jul 27 18:22:08 kd8ikt: thx Jul 27 18:22:17 ab0oo: yes there is - see the blog of the guy who tried to put android on the freerunner for some interesting details :) Jul 27 18:22:19 things like CLZ - count leading zeros. Jul 27 18:22:30 so, my gumstix can run OM software, but not viceversa. Jul 27 18:22:34 yep Jul 27 18:22:39 armv5 ~= XScale == Intel legacy. Jul 27 18:22:55 Anyone know of decent CAD software for modeling hardware projects? Jul 27 18:23:02 some of the arm9x chips are also armv5 - cf. the moose about Android on FR. Jul 27 18:23:07 Jaymus: autocad? :) Jul 27 18:23:13 similar to i386 < i468. i.e. the arm5 instruction set is a superset of arm4. Jul 27 18:23:19 Jaymus: do you mean circuit design software, or some kind of mechanical CAD? Jul 27 18:23:53 ab0oo: correct. But specific ARM chips have different stuff in terms of IO, since they tend to be an integrated solution. Jul 27 18:24:11 Jaymus: there are many different tasks associated with hardware design. board flow, schematics/gerbers.. Jul 27 18:24:22 mmaestri: i modified lintwifi's wiki page and included that link Jul 27 18:24:41 Yanroy: I suppose I'm not entirely sure what I mean. I'm picturing something like SolidWorks, but for placing ICs on a board Jul 27 18:24:42 Anyone? Why do I keep getting a "Permission denied (publickey,password)" error when I try to log into my Neo from my desktop? Jul 27 18:24:43 gack. I was hoping to use my 600mhz gumstix with a real harddrive as a native compile farm for my FR. Jul 27 18:24:57 Jaymus: there's some good gnu board laout tools that I forget the name of Jul 27 18:24:58 EmKay: did you run "ssh-keygen -R 192.168.0.202" ? Jul 27 18:25:04 Jaymus: ok, well, as cjb said, this is generally divided up into parts Jul 27 18:25:07 ab0oo: no problem with that, as long as the arch target is correct. Jul 27 18:25:21 Jaymus: the entire process is called EDA (electronics design automation) and is basically CAD for circuits Jul 27 18:25:26 Well.. My ip for the phone is 10.11.12.13 now. But yeah.. I ran it for that ip Jul 27 18:25:28 just make sure you're not generating armv5 binaries :o Jul 27 18:25:31 which really isn't too far off from cross compiling, which is what I'm trying to avoid Jul 27 18:25:35 Jaymus: firstly you'll have a schematic capture tool (fancy name for a thing that draws circuit diagrams) Jul 27 18:25:49 Jaymus: then you'll need a circuit board layout program that takes the circuit design and lets you place the ICs on a virtual board Jul 27 18:25:51 yanroy: Okay.. Please continue.. :) Jul 27 18:25:56 ab0oo: you can run your armv5 hardware using an armv5 userland just fine Jul 27 18:26:01 armv4 Jul 27 18:26:03 userland Jul 27 18:26:20 ab0oo: Well.. My ip for the phone is 10.11.12.13 now. But yeah.. I ran it for that ip Jul 27 18:26:21 e.g, Debian. although that's not even armv4. Jul 27 18:26:25 Jaymus: then finally, you'll have that output something called a gerber file, which is essentially a vector graphic format used to actually draw the copper on the boards and drill the holes. that's what you send to the PCB factory Jul 27 18:26:37 actually, that's Debian arm. armel is armv4 Jul 27 18:27:00 you could even run OpenMoko on your gumstix :o Jul 27 18:27:18 Jaymus: I've had good luck with the gEDA suite, which does all of the above things including some limited circuit simulation. it's open source. lemme see if I can dig up a link Jul 27 18:27:22 yanroy: How inteligent are the current tools? I mean, I have a basic university education in circuit design (digital and analog) - but I'm really not sure how well I could integrate a bunch of chips with one another. I wouldn't be sure about their respective power requirements and probably other aspects I may not even be aware of... Jul 27 18:27:29 some of the stuff I'm trying to compile for Qtopia isn't set up for cross compiling at all, and it does some weird mix of 1) compile some stuff for local host, then compile for target Jul 27 18:27:55 Yanroy: You rule Jul 27 18:27:58 lol Jul 27 18:28:07 and there seems to be no way to discern in the make file between target and host Jul 27 18:28:16 Jaymus: if you're asking it to help you pick parts, it can't do that... basically the intelligence is limited to "hey dumbass, you connected ground and power and now there's a short" Jul 27 18:28:24 yanroy: perhaps this: http://www.geda.seul.org/ Jul 27 18:28:32 Jaymus: that's exactly it :) Jul 27 18:28:36 ab0oo: cross compiling is such a pain Jul 27 18:28:50 Jaymus: IIRC, it's available as an RPM in the fedora repositories... dunno about other distros Jul 27 18:28:59 yanroy: Cool - Yeah, I'd assume it can't magically think for me.. Jul 27 18:29:04 I've been doing it, and hating it, for years. FWIW, I think the best cross-toolchain out there is the one from the OpenWRT guys Jul 27 18:29:12 Jaymus: it's in other distros too - ubuntu/debian at least Jul 27 18:29:14 oh yes, make sure you're generating EABI binaries, not OABI. current FR kernel doesn't seem to have the old OABI support turned on. Jul 27 18:29:18 yanroy: I'm on ubuntu, but hell, I'd switch to Gentoo if I had to Jul 27 18:29:37 ab0oo: welcome to cross compiling hell ;-) Jul 27 18:29:49 "Hell, I'd piss on a spark plug if I thought it'd do any good." Jul 27 18:30:04 cue ricer remark. Jul 27 18:30:06 ab0oo: yeah, it's a pain; gentoo does a little better than average, I think. I wish debian would do some things to make it easier. Jul 27 18:30:08 Jaymus: open-source tools are an utter joke - when it comes to designing stuff as dense as a mobile phone IMO. Jul 27 18:30:08 er, queue Jul 27 18:30:26 Chocky: oh, I have a comfortable rock staked out in Cross compiler hell. I was just secretly hoping it would get better with OM. Jul 27 18:30:28 Jaymus: you're looking at something like 8 layers or more, with very tight spacings. Jul 27 18:30:29 SpeedEvil: your suggestion? Jul 27 18:30:31 yanroy: Cool, I've now got it installed Jul 27 18:30:38 speedevil: What would you suggest? Jul 27 18:30:47 EmKay: any luck with that ssh command? Jul 27 18:30:47 ab0oo: It will. If I have to improve it myself. Jul 27 18:30:56 * Chocky has scars from cross compilation. Jul 27 18:31:02 Nope.. Still not.. Permission denied Jul 27 18:31:07 anyway, I will see you clowns later. Jul 27 18:31:09 Chocky: like I said. If you want to see it done "right", go look at the openwrt guys Jul 27 18:31:13 Jaymus: the learning curve is a bit high, especially for the PCB layout tool :) I dunno how much I can help you with it... it's been nearly a year since I used it. but I used it for my entire final project at college (I think it was 6 circuit boards) Jul 27 18:31:22 And third time I try it's "Permission denied (publickey,password). " Jul 27 18:31:25 ah yes, openwrt does a good job. Jul 27 18:31:29 * Chocky done some work there. Jul 27 18:31:32 bye Jul 27 18:31:47 later Chicky Jul 27 18:31:50 er, Chocky Jul 27 18:31:54 ab0oo: Any ideas? :S Jul 27 18:31:55 EmKay: I just got that error a min ago logging into my FR... turns out I was logging in as my normal user instead of root Jul 27 18:31:55 yanroy: Did you actually get your projects fabricated using that? Jul 27 18:31:58 Jamys: I don't really know what the high end tools are. There are some very complex bits in mobiles that need accurate simulation. Jul 27 18:32:03 Jaymus: yep. worked like a charm Jul 27 18:32:05 chocky: bye Jul 27 18:32:23 Yanroy: you can set up a .ssh/config file somehow to do that automatically for you Jul 27 18:32:27 Jaymus: I used the batchpcb (.com?) service to fab the boards... they're like $10 setup + $2.50 per square inch Jul 27 18:32:37 Yanroy: Well.. I'm typing "ssh root@10.11.12.13" Jul 27 18:32:56 speedevil: I believe that. I wonder how I can figure out what is ideal to use for this.. Jul 27 18:32:57 yanroy: That's awesome! Jul 27 18:32:57 Yanroy: So it should be root right? Jul 27 18:33:07 is there a copy of "authorized_keys" in the /home/root/.ssh directory on the FR? Jul 27 18:33:08 EmKay: well, I didn't think it would help... just throwing it out there. AFAIK, root is the only user on the FR Jul 27 18:33:27 yanroy: If I sent them the DIPs/ICs I wanted on there, could they solder them on too? Jul 27 18:33:34 Ok :( Jul 27 18:33:48 get a terminal on the FR and enter "rm -Rf ~/.ssh" Jul 27 18:33:52 cat /etc/passwd Jul 27 18:33:52 Jaymus: I don't think so :) usually assembly services don't get involved until you're making about 10000 copies :) Jul 27 18:34:00 ab0oo: Ok.. hang on Jul 27 18:34:01 Jaymus: it depends what you mean - a mobile phone is at the cutting edge of technology. Jul 27 18:34:04 did you ever try to set a password on the FR? Jul 27 18:34:19 ab0oo: I have a root password set on mine. works fine Jul 27 18:34:25 I mean, if all else fails, we can re-flash it, but that seems weak. Jul 27 18:34:28 Jaymus: if you want to get the size and volume and power usage and cost of a mobile even close to norms. Jul 27 18:34:32 speedevil: Is it actually? I mean, we've had mobile phones for awhile, seems like most people have at least one of them Jul 27 18:34:42 ab0oo: But on the freerunner I can't type / Jul 27 18:34:42 Jaymus: no we haven't. Jul 27 18:34:44 it looks like he's got some kind of key mismatch. Jul 27 18:34:56 ahh, yes, you sound moderately screwed. Jul 27 18:35:09 Jaymus: I think what SpeedEvil is saying is that you can probably make a phone that looks like one from 10 years ago without too much trouble, but if you want a modern one, it's going to be a lot of work Jul 27 18:35:13 speedevil: Alright Jul 27 18:35:17 Jaymus: we've had phones that are at the leading edge of what's economically possible for the past 20 years. Jul 27 18:35:20 I'd hate to have to tell you about the super-secret developers back door. Jul 27 18:35:29 that said, I really hate all the commercial EDA software I've used... they tend to be really expensive, really heavy, and really buggy. not to mention hard to use Jul 27 18:35:32 Yes. Jul 27 18:37:03 Ok.. So I can't type / so no way to do a "rm -Rf ~/.ssh" Jul 27 18:37:08 Yanroy: for example - http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/4/45/GTA02_A5_PCB_CS.jpg is the freerunner back side. Jul 27 18:37:22 EmKay: do me a favor, run your ssh commands and paste the entire thing to pastebin Jul 27 18:37:25 and I can't do a " cat /etc/passwd " either then Jul 27 18:37:37 is there a filemanager in the distro you're using? Jul 27 18:37:38 SpeedEvil: hehehe... that's a very dense board :) Jul 27 18:37:46 that would be another way to get rid of the directory Jul 27 18:37:48 Yanroy: there are probably 6-8 layers of PCB behind that, routing tiny traces between most of the pads, even the ones spaced at 0.8mm or so. Jul 27 18:38:03 I think it's the latest distro.. Just updated it.. Jul 27 18:38:08 upgraded.. Jul 27 18:38:26 The board probably costs $5 or so - but only in batches of several thousand. One board will cost you $700 (say) Jul 27 18:38:32 SpeedEvil: yep... there's nothing about that that you can't accomplish with the gEDA suite of tools... it's just that they won't do things like simulate RF interference (though will commercial tools do that?) Jul 27 18:38:50 Yanroy: as I understand it yes, and do controlled impedance. Jul 27 18:38:51 SpeedEvil: no. I could get that board fabricated in quantity one for probably $50 Jul 27 18:39:17 certainly not more than $100 Jul 27 18:39:38 Yanroy: a 8 layer board with tight spacings, doublesided soldermask, silkscreen, gold layer? Jul 27 18:39:41 WHERE! Jul 27 18:40:02 I think 4pcb does multilayer boards with gold Jul 27 18:40:06 Because at that price, I'm biting both their arms off. Jul 27 18:40:17 http://pastie.org/242086 Jul 27 18:40:19 I've used both them and batchpcb... batchpcb is way cheaper, but they only do 2 layer boards Jul 27 18:40:25 yanroy: Well under $100 to me means it's possible to actually get them made and do some manual testing, but $700 - I definitely don't have those kinds of resources Jul 27 18:41:00 speedevil, yanroy: Maybe future devices don't need to be more complex on the PCB side Jul 27 18:41:05 Jaymus: it's the assembly that will kill you... on something that tight, I wouldn't want to try to do hand assembly without a microscope. a decent stereo microscope will run you a few thousand $$ Jul 27 18:41:09 speedevil, yanroy: I'm thinking SoC Jul 27 18:41:17 ab0oo: http://pastie.org/242086 Jul 27 18:41:18 Jaymus: that's _with_ a SoC Jul 27 18:41:47 yanroy, speedevil: I know a dude that's a freaking Jedi Master when it comes to soldering in insanely tight situations by hand, I probably could get help there Jul 27 18:42:25 EmKay: try "sudo rm /root/.ssh/known_hosts" Jul 27 18:42:30 That dude is 65 and has made stuff in his basement that makes my head spin Jul 27 18:42:50 Jaymus: can he hand-solder 0201? Jul 27 18:42:50 ab0oo: On my ubuntu, right? Jul 27 18:43:02 you're doing a sudo for the SSH, so ssh is looking in the ROOT users .ssh directory, but you're modifying your emkay users's .ssh files Jul 27 18:43:06 speedevil: I don't know what 0201 refers to Jul 27 18:43:17 heh, I just re-soldered the aux button on one of my friend's FRs... it broke off the first day he got it Jul 27 18:43:18 Jaymus: resistors/capacitors 0.4mm*0.2mm or so. Jul 27 18:43:21 EmKay: yes. or, run "sudo ssh-keygen -R 10.11.12.13" Jul 27 18:43:52 Actually - $700 may have been pessimistic. Jul 27 18:43:54 ahh,. I see you did that. Jul 27 18:44:01 speedevil: I seriously doubt it Jul 27 18:44:10 ok, EmKay, that looks like classic "you're typing the wrong password" Jul 27 18:44:18 speedevil: I mean, I seriously doubt he could solder something that small Jul 27 18:44:22 no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Jul 27 18:44:25 How can I mistype a blank password? Jul 27 18:44:30 pcbcart.com say $381 tooling cost and $27 per for 10s. Jul 27 18:44:52 Jaymus: for a 80*50mm 8 layer board. Jul 27 18:45:14 Jaymus: I've soldered components not much bigger than that without trouble, but it takes nice equipment (hot air reflow system, microscope). and I don't think I could do it in such tight quarters as on the FR board Jul 27 18:45:27 EmKay: good question. nonetheless, that is what that error is telling you Jul 27 18:45:48 So what do I do from here? :S Jul 27 18:45:49 Yanroy: you can - but you need shields to stop the previous components getting blown away. Jul 27 18:46:01 does it do the same thing when you "ssh root@10.11.12.13" ? Jul 27 18:46:01 Yanroy: and it's really not fun. Jul 27 18:46:05 as the emkay user? Jul 27 18:46:18 * SpeedEvil ponders a 'kit' freerunner. Jul 27 18:46:28 hehehe... I'd buy a kit FR if it was cheaper Jul 27 18:46:37 ab0oo: As any user :S Jul 27 18:46:39 speedevil: Well, at least there are some options Jul 27 18:46:43 though debugging it would be hell Jul 27 18:47:00 that seriously tells me that the FR thinks there is a root password Jul 27 18:47:06 what started this conversation, anyways? Jul 27 18:47:10 Jaymus: the options are unfortunately not good, for making something as complex as a phone and as small. Jul 27 18:47:15 Oh.. Hang on.. Only saw half your message there Jul 27 18:47:16 about making a phone circuit booard, I mean Jul 27 18:47:17 are you SURE the FR is 10.11.12.13? Jul 27 18:47:23 * pjz reads the lint-wifi source Jul 27 18:47:35 that's not the usb0 interface address on your ubuntu box, is it? Jul 27 18:47:42 Jaymus: at least in small quantities. The fundamental problem occurs due to the $500 or so per-spin cost if you get stuff wrong. Jul 27 18:47:43 ab0oo: that's a good point... I was confused initially with the host vs FR IPs Jul 27 18:47:53 speedevil: Maybe it's more possible do to a scaled up proof of concept Jul 27 18:48:01 Jaymus: to a small degree, yes. Jul 27 18:48:07 Does anyone know if there's a way to have the freerunner's USB act as usb ethernet and usb storage? Jul 27 18:48:25 Jaymus: the problem you then run into is that once you start scaling some parts of it up - the RF and GPS parts forex - they stop working. Jul 27 18:48:37 ab0oo: Well.. I can ping it at 10.11.12.13 Jul 27 18:48:40 dufflebunk's question reminds me - I wonder, does the Freerunner have Host USB? Jul 27 18:48:40 dufflebunk: not that I know of. Jul 27 18:48:45 Jaymus: yes Jul 27 18:48:51 Jaymus: powered even. Jul 27 18:48:53 what version of python is on the FR ? Jul 27 18:48:56 EmKay: you can ping SOMETHING at 10.11.12.13. are you sure it's the FR? Jul 27 18:49:06 "ifconfig usb0" on you ubuntu box, please. Jul 27 18:49:15 speedevil: Yeah, the universe isn't linear unlike most people's thinking (I'm sure I'm part of "most people") Jul 27 18:49:28 ab0oo i think he's ssh'ing to it via wifi Jul 27 18:49:32 speedevil: That's awesome about the USB Jul 27 18:49:47 ab0oo: inet addr:10.11.12.13 Jul 27 18:50:06 ab0oo: You want the whole thing in a pastie? Jul 27 18:50:22 hmm, try "ssh emkay@10.11.12.13" and use your normal ubuntu password. :) Jul 27 18:51:04 EmKay: did you ever modify the /etc/network/interfaces file on the Freerunner to use a 10.11.12.xx address? Jul 27 18:51:21 and just in case SorenHK is right, are you using USB or wifi? Jul 27 18:51:24 ab0oo: Ok then I have been trying to log into ubuntu from ubuntu! :D Jul 27 18:51:37 EmKay: well, that's progress. Jul 27 18:51:46 Yes, but I overwrote it during the upgrade.. Jul 27 18:51:54 God damn it.... :S Jul 27 18:51:58 this gEDA os neat Jul 27 18:51:58 ok, do this" Jul 27 18:52:07 sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 Jul 27 18:52:14 then, ping 192.168.0.202 Jul 27 18:52:22 or do you have it from here? Jul 27 18:53:09 Hang on Jul 27 18:54:09 No response in the ping Jul 27 18:54:21 Well.. "From 192.168.0.188 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable " Jul 27 18:54:54 that's not good. Jul 27 18:55:08 I'm assuming that the ubuntu usb0 is now 192.168.0.188? Jul 27 18:55:36 Nope.. its 192.168.0.200 Jul 27 18:55:41 you're like my daugter... if I tell her to microwave something for 30 seconds, she'll put it in for 28 or 31 seconds, but never 30. freaking independent minds... Jul 27 18:55:57 ah, ok. you're not like my daughter then. Jul 27 18:56:04 :D Jul 27 18:56:17 um, is your local network 192.168.0.xx (the one on eth0) ? Jul 27 18:56:26 ab0oo: at least she recognizes that the number of seconds isn't important :) Jul 27 18:56:40 * cjb is bad at cooking because he doesn't like instructions that aren't totally specific. Jul 27 18:56:52 she recognizes that she can get dad's goat by being a smart-ass Jul 27 18:56:55 cjb: cookers are not calibrated. Jul 27 18:57:09 cjb: this can be worked around if you boil everything. Jul 27 18:57:11 ab0oo: http://pastie.org/242086 Jul 27 18:57:31 cjb: Right out of High School I worked briefly as a chef and they got annoyed at me a lot at first because I had a hard time doing something without precise instructions. lol Jul 27 18:57:38 show me "ifconfig" with no params in pastie Jul 27 18:57:40 please Jul 27 18:57:42 SpeedEvil: that's true. although, at a college house, we used an oven thermometer to plot specified vs. actual cooking temperature. :) it was an odd curve. Jul 27 18:58:12 ab0oo: There: http://pastie.org/242086 Jul 27 18:58:26 Apparently baking is something of an exact science, but everything else is open to major negotiation Jul 27 18:58:30 ahh, there's a problem. Jul 27 18:58:53 Okay friends, I'm off. Thanks for the very excellent conversation! Jul 27 18:58:55 I figured that much out... :P But what? :D Jul 27 18:58:57 pastie++ # good looking without ads Jul 27 18:58:58 WAve. Jul 27 18:59:02 Cheers Jul 27 18:59:24 try this: sudo route add -host 192.168.0.202 usb0 Jul 27 18:59:49 and? Jul 27 18:59:53 What about a 1024x600 touchscreen display for GTA04 ? Jul 27 18:59:57 REf.: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7620873212.html Jul 27 18:59:58 and now ping 192.168.0.202 Jul 27 19:00:06 Daviey: unlikely. Jul 27 19:00:25 "From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable " Jul 27 19:00:27 * ab0oo votes for getting really good working software on gta02 before we turn the hardware wanks loose again Jul 27 19:00:39 well, that's a good bit of news, EmKay Jul 27 19:00:47 at least it went out the right port. Jul 27 19:00:50 * EmKay wondering who ab0oo is referring to :P Jul 27 19:01:22 yeah, I'm putting of a trip to Fry's to buy a string of surface mount resistors to help you, EmKay Jul 27 19:01:31 my wife appreciates it, btw. Jul 27 19:01:43 I have to be very carefully controlled in Fry's. Jul 27 19:01:57 but I am NOT a hardware wank. Jul 27 19:02:11 Haha.. :D Jul 27 19:02:24 _I_ appreciate it Jul 27 19:03:09 and we're sure the FR is powered up, and plugged into the USB cable that is plugged into the ubuntu box... Jul 27 19:03:51 Very sure.. Just checked.. It wass plugged in. But unplugged and replugged to be safe. Jul 27 19:04:17 you're probably using a Netgear or D-Link router for your home network. I'd suggest, at some point in the future when you have a minute, to change the LAN side subnet to something OTHER than 192.168.0 (I use 192.168.5.xx, fwiw) Jul 27 19:04:34 ok, make sure usb0 is still configured correctly with another ifconfig Jul 27 19:04:48 unplugging can cause ubuntu to drop the ip and never re-add it Jul 27 19:05:13 Well.. I think it did.. :S Jul 27 19:05:22 http://pastie.org/242086 Jul 27 19:05:44 incidentally, has anyone noticed greatly improved batterly life with the TT Qtopia and mwester's kernel? I got 12+ hours last night Jul 27 19:06:20 yeah, see how usb0 now doesn't have an IP addr? you need to "ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 && route add -host 192.168.0.202 usb0" again Jul 27 19:07:15 Done Jul 27 19:07:43 trying pinging that 192.168.0.202 again Jul 27 19:07:53 do you have any power-saving turned on on the FR? Jul 27 19:08:03 that can lead to USB addresses disappearing Jul 27 19:08:15 Power saving has been switched off the whole time Jul 27 19:08:16 also, paste me an "sudo lsusb" when you get a chance Jul 27 19:08:18 I use 172.31.250.x for my LAN Jul 27 19:08:29 least popular RFC1916 network *ever* Jul 27 19:08:29 Pinging 202: From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable Jul 27 19:08:41 Jul 27 19:08:46 pinging 200: 64 bytes from 192.168.0.200: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.039 ms Jul 27 19:08:57 well, it can talk to itself. Jul 27 19:09:02 that's a bonus Jul 27 19:09:14 usually a sign of insanity, but good in this context :) Jul 27 19:09:38 :P Jul 27 19:09:43 anyone else have any ideas? I'm starting to run out Jul 27 19:10:05 EmKay: what IP does usb0 have? Jul 27 19:10:08 I'm bothered by the fact that both usb0 and eth0 are on the same subnet. Jul 27 19:10:43 the route command should take care of that, but I've been wrong on routing before (and took down all of the T-Mobile HotSpots in the eastern US) Jul 27 19:10:47 ab0oo: yeah, that's generally bad; but most-specific wins in routing, so if you use like a .248 netmask you can be more specific than the /24 Jul 27 19:11:03 ab0oo: So was another dude that helped me. So he set up the USB to use a completely different subnet: 10.0.0.x and then it worked.. Jul 27 19:11:03 EmKay: what's the netmask on usb0 ? Jul 27 19:11:06 any news about the next batch of FRs from the webstore? Jul 27 19:11:07 the route add -host should give it a /32 netmask Jul 27 19:11:33 EmKay: what's the IP on your freerunner? did you change it or is it the default? Jul 27 19:11:55 pjz: http://pastie.org/242086 Jul 27 19:12:01 ip on FR is default Jul 27 19:12:31 EmKay: how about that lsusb Jul 27 19:12:34 has anyone gotten volume changing to work on the FR? Jul 27 19:12:46 EmKay: okay, and route -n ? Jul 27 19:12:50 although, you have to have SOMETHING out there, or the usb0 interface would never come up. Jul 27 19:12:56 if I could turn up the volume, I'd be ready to declare it a functional phone... Jul 27 19:13:20 Yanroy: ssh to the phone and use alsamixer Jul 27 19:13:23 pjz: http://pastie.org/242086 Jul 27 19:13:26 Yanroy: there's been stuff on the maliing lists about chanign the volume and saving it Jul 27 19:13:33 ab0oo: lsusb? :S Jul 27 19:13:59 sudo lsusb will list all of the usb devices plugged into the host Jul 27 19:14:17 EmKay: and you can't ping 192.168.0.202 ? hm Jul 27 19:14:25 pjz: my thoughts exactly. Jul 27 19:14:42 his stuff looks just like my stuff (except mine is naturally bigger) :) Jul 27 19:15:00 ab0oo: http://pastie.org/242086 Jul 27 19:15:09 well,, and my eth0 is a 192.168.5.16, which in no way conflicts with the 192.168.0.200 stuff Jul 27 19:15:33 pjz: Nope. Can't ping 202 Jul 27 19:15:53 this is the FR: Bus 001 Device 012: ID 1457:5122 Jul 27 19:16:52 ab0oo: does the FR have a default route of 200, or is that just what people are using out of convenience? Jul 27 19:17:03 it's default Jul 27 19:17:08 ah, suckage Jul 27 19:17:20 You can change it Jul 27 19:17:21 it should default to .201 so that .200/30 would be valid Jul 27 19:17:24 I know of no way to change it from the gui, either Jul 27 19:17:37 Ainulindale: I can do anything, I know, but that won't change the default on the thousands of shipped phones Jul 27 19:17:41 200/29 is valid, though Jul 27 19:18:00 ab0oo: no it's not; that would make .200 the network address Jul 27 19:18:14 poo, you're right. Jul 27 19:18:15 ab0oo: the equivalent of .0/24 Jul 27 19:18:25 EmKay: route add -host 192.168.0.202 gw 192.168.0.200 on the host should help Jul 27 19:18:44 EmKay: have you EVER gotten this thing to talk on USB? Jul 27 19:18:53 specifically, on this cable? Jul 27 19:19:00 EmKay: try what Marcel said Jul 27 19:19:22 and does it have teethmarks from a cat in the cable? is there the odor of slightly toasted cat tongue in the air? Jul 27 19:20:14 Done.. But still no pinging.. :( Jul 27 19:20:20 And no cat ;) Jul 27 19:20:52 ab0oo: Yes.. I have been able to use ssh on it. And I have updated and then upgraded via opkg.. Jul 27 19:21:10 hmmm. Jul 27 19:21:36 EmKay: do you have a terminal app on it? can you run ifconfig on the FR and verify the IP address and that usb0 is up? Jul 27 19:21:47 hang on Jul 27 19:23:00 usb0 is there.. But it has 10.11.12.13 as ip Jul 27 19:23:09 EmKay: haha so you DID change it Jul 27 19:23:14 EmKay: what's the netmask? Jul 27 19:23:30 255.255.255.0 Jul 27 19:23:38 I didn't... Someone else did.. Jul 27 19:23:40 EmKay: do route -n Jul 27 19:23:53 And he did it really quickly, så I understood nothing :S Jul 27 19:24:06 EmKay: what's the gateway on the line that sratrs with 0.0.0.0 ? Jul 27 19:24:23 EmKay: (when you do a route -n) Jul 27 19:24:36 EmKay: on your ubuntu machine, do you have an usb0 entry in /etc/network/interfaces? Jul 27 19:24:48 if so, check it to make sure the ipaddr is 192.168.0.200, please Jul 27 19:24:55 that's where it would get autoconfigured from Jul 27 19:25:05 gateway for 0.0.0.0 is 10.11.12.14 Jul 27 19:25:28 EmKay: okay, so on your ubuntu machine you can do ifconfig usb0 10.11.12.24/24 Jul 27 19:25:40 EmKay: wait, that shoul dbe 14 not 24 Jul 27 19:25:44 * pjz typos Jul 27 19:25:50 EmKay: okay, so on your ubuntu machine you can do ifconfig usb0 10.11.12.14/24 Jul 27 19:26:00 etc/network/interfaces: auto lo Jul 27 19:26:10 iface lo inet loopback Jul 27 19:26:10 EmKay: then ping 10.11.12.13 Jul 27 19:26:53 EmKay: and if that works your FR is available via 'ssh root@10.11.12.13' Jul 27 19:27:13 ping on 10.11.12.13 works now Jul 27 19:27:47 "Host key verification failed. " :S Jul 27 19:28:01 What was it? ssh-keygen something something... :S Jul 27 19:28:08 so the 10.11.12.xx subnet was right, but both the FR and the ubuntu box have the same IP Jul 27 19:28:16 ssh-keygen -R 10.11.12.13 Jul 27 19:28:28 EmKay: it should omplain about a particular line in your .ssh/known_hosts; you can just del that line also Jul 27 19:28:38 er, alternately Jul 27 19:29:13 Aaaaaaaand we have a connection! :S Jul 27 19:29:15 :D! Jul 27 19:29:46 I can ssh it now.. Jul 27 19:29:48 Damn.. Jul 27 19:30:00 well, I think the moral of the story here is: if you go setting IP addresses to non-standard subnets, you're liable to get into a world of trouble. Jul 27 19:30:19 Heh.. Tell that to the dude who did it.. It was not me.. :S Jul 27 19:30:20 having both the computer and the FR set to the same IP is diabolical Jul 27 19:30:25 EmKay: okay, so check the IP in your FR's /etc/network/interfaces and see what it is Jul 27 19:30:44 pjz wins the internetz today. Jul 27 19:31:07 EmKay: because the one in there is the one that will take over if you reboot your phone Jul 27 19:31:10 10.11.12.13 Jul 27 19:31:19 * pjz has been doing IP networking since like '94 or so Jul 27 19:31:36 That's a looooong time :S Jul 27 19:31:49 Haven't you slept or eaten or taken a break since then? Jul 27 19:31:54 :P Jul 27 19:31:58 the shipped freerunners are GTA02v? Jul 27 19:31:59 EmKay: okay, so that's fine, it means you want to fix the IP in your desktop's /etc/network/interfaces to be 10.11.12.14 Jul 27 19:32:05 donomo: 5, IIRC Jul 27 19:32:08 * EmKay gets cocky now that it works :P Jul 27 19:32:10 donomo: see the wiki Jul 27 19:32:11 i see image files for v4, v5, etc. Jul 27 19:32:19 pjz: the wiki is a big place. :) Jul 27 19:32:45 pjz: But there's nothing in that file... Jul 27 19:32:54 * Yanroy hopes his laptop's wpa_supplicant.conf will work on the FR with minimal modification Jul 27 19:33:00 Only this: auto lo & iface lo inet loopback Jul 27 19:33:06 On two lines... Jul 27 19:33:20 EmKay: what kind of desktop do you have? Jul 27 19:33:23 pjz: i did a search on 'gta02v' hoping that would match gta02v5 or whatever. no matches. got a url? Jul 27 19:33:34 donomo: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware Jul 27 19:33:45 Ubuntu Jul 27 19:34:04 donomo: I think there was a mailing list post a week or so ago about how to get the version by running a command on the FR... it might even be as simple as "uname -a" Jul 27 19:34:20 EmKay: and there's nthing but the lo stuff in your /etc/network/interfaces? odd Jul 27 19:34:27 donomo: ok, scratch uname -a... just tried it Jul 27 19:34:41 Ok, so now we have the next challenge.. Internet on the Neo via usb....? :S Jul 27 19:34:54 pjz: on my system, I don't even have a /etc/network :) Jul 27 19:34:58 EmKay: on the USB_Netowrking page Jul 27 19:34:58 That worked earlier Jul 27 19:35:07 Yanroy: what distro? Jul 27 19:35:13 fedora 7 Jul 27 19:35:33 Yanroy: yeah, fedora doesn't use the /etc/network stuff, it does something different Jul 27 19:35:53 Yanroy: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts Jul 27 19:35:58 pjz: yep Jul 27 19:36:05 Yanroy: the last revision on the FR hardware page in the 'History' section says GTA02v6 Jul 27 19:36:20 Yanroy: so im gonna go with that Jul 27 19:36:27 donomo: the other day I was here asking about the v6 and someone told me there was no such thing... Jul 27 19:36:39 EmKay: the bits on the USB_Networking page are mostly correct, but you need to change the IPs Jul 27 19:36:47 donomo: I'm pretty sure what shipped was a v5 with some modifications to make it have LEDs like the v6 or some other minor fix Jul 27 19:37:13 EmKay: where it says 192.168.0.192/26 put 10.11.12.0/24 Jul 27 19:37:43 interesting. well im about to try flashing my FR for the first time. the FSU image seems straightforward to flash http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone1/ Jul 27 19:37:59 FSU? ou mean ASU? or FSO ? Jul 27 19:38:08 donomo: I think you'll be quite dissapointed by FSO Jul 27 19:38:11 pjz: FSO i mean Jul 27 19:38:29 ab0oo: yeah? the readme implies it makes and takes calls. i dont expect more than that Jul 27 19:38:40 The commands starting with "allow-hotplug usb0"? Jul 27 19:38:46 then you'll be perfectly happy with FSO Jul 27 19:38:59 I'm going to Fry's. bbl Jul 27 19:40:05 donomo: I tried the ASU a couple days ago and switched back to 2007.2 cuz it was too broken... I think the FSO is even more immature Jul 27 19:41:01 Yanroy: the latest 2007.2 update i did pretty much broke my phone. it wont unsleep Jul 27 19:41:11 donomo: daily? Jul 27 19:41:14 Yanroy: so i dont have much to loose at this point. Jul 27 19:41:25 Yanroy: whatever comes with opkg update; opkg upgrade Jul 27 19:41:39 Yanroy: well it unsleeps but gives a solid white screen Jul 27 19:42:01 donomo: on the base image, I think that only updates to "stable" releases... I think if you flash a daily, then it will track the daily releases for update. just what I've observed Jul 27 19:42:30 donomo: but I encourage experimentation :) it's not like you can't undo what you're doing Jul 27 19:43:54 im excited to see the UI morph from 2007.2 to something totally different Jul 27 19:47:16 I have asu booting nearly from sd card - it comes up with the "boot"-screen, but the green "booting..." bar doesnt show up. any chance to find out whats wrong? Jul 27 19:48:48 has anyone tried to compile networkmanager for the FR? Jul 27 19:49:11 it seems like that would be a really quick and easy way to make all these network headaches go away... also it uses dbus, which should integrate well with the existing stuff Jul 27 19:49:32 Yanroy: I tried last night Jul 27 19:49:38 and bitbake died trying to build glibc :( Jul 27 19:49:48 Same here Jul 27 19:49:51 networkmanager is already available by bitbake, so it should be easy with the right environment Jul 27 19:50:12 it does look like a pretty good solution, although I don't like the codebase very much. Jul 27 19:51:08 cjb: I haven't looked at the codebase.. .what' wron g with it? Jul 27 19:51:49 cjb: I've been using it for years (comes standard with Fedora) on both my laptop and desktop systems and it's a really painless solution, especially for the laptop where I'm constantly moving around Jul 27 19:51:59 Yanroy: historically its interactions with things like wpa_supplicant have been very flaky. Jul 27 19:52:10 Yanroy: I've been using it for years too, and rarely find it painless :) Jul 27 19:52:30 cjb: heh... I'm researching how it uses wpa_supplicant righ tnow. I note that it doesn't write a wpa_supplicant.conf, which I was hoping it would so I could copy it to the FR from my laptop Jul 27 19:52:44 Sometimes after suspend the spinning circles sit there without lighting up, and in that state I can't choose a different AP to connect to. I'd think it was just my laptop, except I've seen that sort of thing on plenty of others. Jul 27 19:52:49 cjb: do you use a GUI frontend for it? KNetworkManager provides a really nice interface Jul 27 19:53:00 yes, the gnome shell Jul 27 19:53:46 cjb: I've occasionally had problems where it won't work after resuming from suspend as well, but that's pretty rare. usually a manual start/stop fixes it Jul 27 19:54:02 nod. Jul 27 19:54:28 is it normal for wpa_supplicant.conf to not exist on a FR? I really have to create it from scratch? Jul 27 19:55:16 yea Jul 27 19:55:37 http://hostap.epitest.fi/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=hostap.git;a=blob_plain;f=wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf Jul 27 19:56:28 kd8ikt: wow, that's complex... is the example on the wiki valid? it's a lot simpler... Jul 27 19:57:07 the FSO kernel booted, X started, but the Please wait... screen has been there for a couple minutes now. Jul 27 19:57:23 donomo: the first time? simply reboot Jul 27 19:57:42 Tanuva: oh right, i saw that in the readme. rebooting.... Jul 27 20:01:29 haha. woot. FSO had booted. Jul 27 20:02:37 wow, that was easy... wifi in 3 easy steps! Jul 27 20:03:42 uh oh.. tradgedy... I seem to have lost my stylus Jul 27 20:04:40 mmm do more people have problems with the touch screen when they have swapped orientation? Jul 27 20:05:22 when I swap to "landscape" mode I can not really use the right side (top) of the touchscreen Jul 27 20:05:56 but when I swap back to "portrait" I have no problems (at least .. I can select all the "top" items without problems) Jul 27 20:06:37 openmoko bible ? Jul 27 20:07:02 Rigolo: I think touchscreen calibration is known to be dodgy/nonexistant in landscape mode Jul 27 20:07:28 mmm anything I can do about that? recalibrate? with what app? Jul 27 20:08:14 I suspect it's less a problem of it being uncalibrated than it is someone is apply the wrong transformation to the coordinates (or no transformation at all) Jul 27 20:08:53 damnit... you always find things the last place you look. stylus was under my keyboard Jul 27 20:09:05 (not that any of you care... just venting) Jul 27 20:09:35 Yanroy: almien : but this is in the today screen ... at least that should be "correct" Jul 27 20:09:43 good place for hiding pens, Yanroy... Jul 27 20:10:10 when I want to select calander from the top line .. I start creating sms messages :-) Jul 27 20:10:38 Hello. I have a problem with OM. I have no idea how to describe so sorry I haven't searched in bugs and I don't know is it known bug. Sometimes the panel 'crash' and I cannot switch windows, the mouse pointer is seen. If I enter the power menu it is not fullscreened. I have the most up-to-date binaries (from daily builds) so I expects it to not be stable - however I still want to report it. Could anybody said: 1. Is it known bug? 2. Jul 27 20:10:38 Which component can cause this bug? Jul 27 20:10:57 Rigolo: I have this suspicion that when the screen is rotated, there isn't actually any rotation going on. I believe this because some wiki page about running the apps on your desktop suggested resizing them to be landscape size/orientation will make them behave as if they're in landscape mode Jul 27 20:11:24 anyone know what the blue and green bars are on the FSO UI? http://donpark.org/albums/2008/July/openmoko-fso.jpg Jul 27 20:11:42 Yanroy: but isn;t the rotation done by using RandR in X Jul 27 20:12:24 donomo: wild guess : signal strenght and power Jul 27 20:13:03 probably gsm signal strenght in blue ... green is more power related Jul 27 20:13:14 Rigolo: that seems reasonable Jul 27 20:13:43 btw: nice picture ... isn't there a screenshot app in FSO MS1? Jul 27 20:13:49 Rigolo: I don't know what RandR is... but the apps have to draw themselves differently in landscape mode. it isn't a simple image rotation. they need to be aware, and my hunch is that they sense this by their window dimensions (aspect ratio, really) Jul 27 20:14:05 Rigolo: heehee. i dont know. the camera route seemed easier. Jul 27 20:14:40 Yanroy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XRandR Jul 27 20:15:25 Rigolo: ok, so that would seem to indicate that I'm on the right track :) Jul 27 20:16:51 has anyone had the problem where after a while, it just says "registering" in the corner and doesn't seem to have a signal? Jul 27 20:17:01 and is there a fix other than rebooting? Jul 27 20:17:16 the logs seem to indicate difficulty in waking something up, perhaps the gsm modem Jul 27 20:17:57 Think i noticed that this afternoon Jul 27 20:18:20 om-devel image ? Jul 27 20:18:23 Yanroy, yeah of course; the apps will get notified that hey, their window (and the screen, if they like that info) is now 640x480 instead of 480x640, and to do the "right thing" Jul 27 20:18:31 minus panels and stuff Jul 27 20:18:50 i want to make a 360 bubble level app like http://tinyurl.com/6gqb78 dunno where to start, lemmie see how agpsui made its azimuth status tab/window Jul 27 20:19:02 mjr: and my observations suggest that the touchscreen coordinates are being manipulated somehow. perhaps they're still in the old orientation Jul 27 20:19:02 bubble level? Jul 27 20:19:12 yea Jul 27 20:19:19 see the url? Jul 27 20:19:20 are the accelerometers accurate enough for that? Jul 27 20:19:29 thats not entireley the point Jul 27 20:19:31 kd8ikt: the gps does not report orientation Jul 27 20:19:43 Yanroy, yeah true. The X server should handle that but it doesn't. Jul 27 20:19:45 more of a simple accellerometer app Jul 27 20:20:08 ah Jul 27 20:20:29 kdubois: it reports +-16mg or so Jul 27 20:20:33 kd8: Jul 27 20:20:58 not for actual leveling Jul 27 20:21:06 which is I think 6 degrees or so Jul 27 20:21:15 unless you can calibrate it right Jul 27 20:21:16 sin(1000/16) Jul 27 20:21:35 kdubois: what for? Jul 27 20:21:45 kd8ikt: I mean Jul 27 20:21:56 kdubois: sorry for the accidental completes Jul 27 20:21:58 poor kdubois Jul 27 20:22:22 haha, yeah... :P Jul 27 20:22:25 wifi + google reader on my FR = FR is fully functional :D Jul 27 20:23:34 hey does wpa_supplicant auto flip though the config if later the current AP disapears Jul 27 20:23:36 Hello, I have a freerunner and the following problem: I want to have qtopia on the SDHC card (as to say, I want dual boot with the 2007.2). I have followed the instructions in the wiki and I get the following error: "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(179,2). Since the info from the wiki is not clear, I have tried both ext2 and ext3 as the second partition on the SDHC and vfat as the first partition. What could Jul 27 20:24:00 compile your own kernel? Jul 27 20:24:07 loonyxp: I think you need the latest uboot for ext3, have you flashed it? Jul 27 20:24:37 Yanroy: No, I haven't... but I tried ext2 before with the same error as a result Jul 27 20:24:49 they may both be in the new uboot Jul 27 20:24:57 there was a post on the ML a few days ago about it Jul 27 20:25:24 Yanroy: so i should flash uboot to the latest? Jul 27 20:25:48 not like you can completely brick it trying Jul 27 20:25:49 loonyxp: I think so. I'm just going on what I've read. I've never tried to do what you're trying Jul 27 20:26:17 * Yanroy reads the openmoko-community list on his FR Jul 27 20:26:27 Yanroy: lol. awesome Jul 27 20:26:36 Yanroy: okay, i will try. i think it's not that a risk, because the freerunner has a backup of uboot... Jul 27 20:26:57 loonyxp: AFAIK, the worst that can happen is you have to re-flash it. I think that's why the NOR uboot exists Jul 27 20:27:09 * CM nods :) Jul 27 20:27:12 Yanroy: yep.. thanks... Jul 27 20:31:12 wow cool wiki's are neat Jul 27 20:31:23 someone fixed up wifiweasel Jul 27 20:31:28 joerg Jul 27 20:31:29 ? Jul 27 20:31:47 * kd8ikt is sticking to wpa_supplicant though Jul 27 20:33:33 anyone know of a way to get minimo to fit to the width of my screen? it's just a little bit too wide right now... it would probably be perfect in landscape mode, if that worked Jul 27 20:34:45 omfg i know what you mean landscape touchscreen calibration is fudged Jul 27 20:36:02 * Yanroy is SSH'ed into his FR via wifi Jul 27 20:36:21 anyone got a second to help with flashing this thing? Jul 27 20:36:29 Yanroy: Showoff! :D Jul 27 20:37:00 Can anyone tell me what to do if the Neo is freezing at the openmoko logo during startup? Jul 27 20:37:01 i'd think it'd just be a matter of swaping around numbers in /etc/pointercal Jul 27 20:37:01 :S Jul 27 20:37:42 so, does anyone know what units the output of this is in? cat /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/time_to_empty_now Jul 27 20:37:49 tkep: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_Openmoko Jul 27 20:37:51 mmm opkg upgrade wants to upgrade my kernel .... last time it f*ck up the flashing and my FR would not boot. Is there a danger in doing a kernel upgrade via opkg? Jul 27 20:37:55 it's going down awfully fast :P I think wifi is quite the power hog, especially with minimo working overtime Jul 27 20:38:09 kd8ikt, yeah, following it, getting errors Jul 27 20:38:11 :) Jul 27 20:38:16 realy Jul 27 20:38:19 what's new, right? Jul 27 20:38:24 howso Jul 27 20:38:29 More than one DFU capable USB device found, you might try `--list' and then disconnect all but one device Jul 27 20:38:37 and, of course, i list Jul 27 20:38:41 Rigolo: I suppose there's always a small danger, but I've done it several times with the 2007.2 image and it's been fine Jul 27 20:38:41 and i get two devices Jul 27 20:38:44 ok Jul 27 20:38:56 Rigolo: someone mentioned yesterday that the latest kernel was broken though... dunno which image (or if it matters) Jul 27 20:38:59 name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade" Jul 27 20:39:10 name="UNDEFINED" Jul 27 20:39:15 i can give the rest Jul 27 20:39:18 tkep: in my case it was the build in BT device that was also DFU capable Jul 27 20:39:39 -d --device vendor:product Jul 27 20:39:43 tkep: have you tried specifying the device manuall Jul 27 20:39:48 ...like kd8ikt just said :P Jul 27 20:39:51 Rigolo, that's likely it as when i first tried to flash it, my BT mouse dropped Jul 27 20:39:52 Yanroy: well .. that will explain something .. it wants to "upgrade" to git25 (from git 23) Jul 27 20:40:03 great, gimme a second and let me see how it goes Jul 27 20:40:05 thanks guys Jul 27 20:40:12 heh snds like you/it tried flashing your mouse Jul 27 20:40:44 that'd be funny if your mouse was able to make/recieve phone calls after it Jul 27 20:40:47 tkep: I disable BT on my dell, saw a disconnect in dmesg .. and it was not listed in lsusb and had not problems Jul 27 20:40:48 is this dfu thing some kind of standard flashing protocol? I figured since dfu-util was made by OM, it was FR-specific Jul 27 20:41:12 Rigolo, i need it...my mouse is invaluable :) Jul 27 20:41:35 but i'll keep it in mind. i'll hop in the dell bios and set the switch to turn off the BT radio only Jul 27 20:41:39 -d 0x1457:0x5119 Jul 27 20:41:43 kd8ikt: well .. I have a "phone" mouse here ... a real working mouse .. that is also an analog phone Jul 27 20:41:47 noneed Jul 27 20:41:49 if you think your mouse is invaluable, you're not spending enough time in the shell Jul 27 20:42:07 dont disable BT Jul 27 20:42:12 tkep: I just used the FN + F2 button from within ubuntu .. and it was turned off Jul 27 20:42:25 can you pastebing what ./dfutil --list shows? Jul 27 20:42:38 one sec, i'm testing a few things you suggested :) Jul 27 20:42:43 Rigolo, thanks, i'll see what happens Jul 27 20:43:13 kd8ikt: well .. that is also a possibility .. just tell dfutil what device to use ... turning off BT was easier :-) Jul 27 20:43:18 and yes we all know if you put ./dfutil in a $PATH folder we wouldnt have to cd to our flash dir and type ./dfu Jul 27 20:43:44 but thats a hell of a lot of garbage to go through Rigolo Jul 27 20:44:08 reboot, edit bios boot backin blah blah Jul 27 20:44:15 kd8ikt: well .. here it was just FN + F2 .. and it was off ... Jul 27 20:44:48 ok but i coulda swore he said something about bios Jul 27 20:45:01 kd8ikt: (wifiweasel) i didn't exactly fix it, just spotted a very obvious flaw I noticed when looking at it Jul 27 20:45:08 kd8ikt: well .. that was before I explaind the FN trick :-) Jul 27 20:45:31 evening jOERG Jul 27 20:45:53 formating is a lot more pretty aswell Jul 27 20:45:59 nah, it's 4:45am here Jul 27 20:46:06 kd8ikt: unless he is connected via Wifi ... FN + F2 also turns off Wifi :-) ... but we did not see a disconect yet :-) Jul 27 20:46:21 fudge what timezone is that joe Jul 27 20:46:34 thats like austrialia Jul 27 20:47:10 Yanroy, oh, come on, i need the mouse for more things than poking in the shell Jul 27 20:47:22 i like browsing the web on occasion, call me weird Jul 27 20:47:24 BIIIIG typhoon raging Taiwan. Only I don't notice anything other than nasty rain outside Jul 27 20:47:50 tkep: that is why they invented the cord-ed mouse ... :-) Jul 27 20:48:00 cordless is so 2007 :-) Jul 27 20:50:12 ....sigh Jul 27 20:50:13 brb Jul 27 20:50:49 i wanna go live in china joeg Jul 27 20:51:31 i'm a reverse twinky Jul 27 20:51:47 rofl Jul 27 20:51:51 kinky Jul 27 20:51:53 kinky twinky Jul 27 20:52:02 white on the outside yellow on the inside Jul 27 20:53:02 then agian i'd probably swim/defect over to japan Jul 27 20:54:12 getting a -d: No such file or dir.... Jul 27 20:54:18 but it seems to be at least attempting Jul 27 20:54:31 ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D -d --device 0x1d50:0x5119 uImage-2.6.24+git20080424-om-gta02.bin Jul 27 20:54:41 pastebin the --list output Jul 27 20:54:41 that's the full command Jul 27 20:54:50 k Jul 27 20:54:51 heh Jul 27 20:54:56 website is registered Jul 27 20:54:58 funny Jul 27 20:56:23 kd8ikt, http://pastebin.ca/1084573 Jul 27 20:57:37 hm Jul 27 20:58:33 UNDEFINED your mouse? Jul 27 20:58:40 yup Jul 27 20:59:00 well, i would have assumed so, but my mouse dropped when i ran the original command with no device specified Jul 27 20:59:04 checking dmesg now Jul 27 20:59:56 i'm at a loss for advice Jul 27 21:00:09 yay Jul 27 21:00:21 good to know that i'm sol as usual :) Jul 27 21:00:24 one sec Jul 27 21:02:48 kd8ikt, same error when trying to flash the rootfs Jul 27 21:03:25 does the freerunner support multitouch? Jul 27 21:03:54 HardDisk_WP: nope Jul 27 21:04:03 kk Jul 27 21:04:41 Rigolo, do you mean at the hardware level or the software level Jul 27 21:04:53 smhar: both Jul 27 21:05:00 Good evening! :) Jul 27 21:05:02 k Jul 27 21:05:13 k Jul 27 21:05:50 can anyone tell me how to flash the u-boot? Using dfu-util, I assume... Jul 27 21:05:58 SpeedEvil, another feature I can live without :-) Jul 27 21:06:20 ChaosEagle: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_Openmoko Jul 27 21:06:23 it is all there Jul 27 21:06:30 thx Jul 27 21:06:52 or better: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner Jul 27 21:07:02 I want hypermegamultitouch. Jul 27 21:07:04 Rigolo: thanks :) Jul 27 21:07:08 Or fingerprint-reading. Jul 27 21:07:31 last section .... make sure that you get the right uboot version .. .most likely you have a v5 .. but better check to be sure Jul 27 21:07:31 So I can press my pinky to the screen, and it'll do one thing. The left-hand-side of my index finger, another. Jul 27 21:08:05 SpeedEvil: and then it is minus 20 .. and you are wearing gloves .. :-) Jul 27 21:08:09 SpeedEvil: Need to work with Synaptics on that one, they got nifty ideas ;) Jul 27 21:08:31 Rigolo: will do, thanks a lot Jul 27 21:08:44 SpeedEvil, maybe Freerunner 2 Jul 27 21:09:07 ChaosEagle: but are you sure you need to flash uboot? Jul 27 21:11:43 Rigolo: Well... I want to boot from ext3... withouth the vfat partition Jul 27 21:12:02 ChaosEagle: and what version are you using now then? Jul 27 21:12:15 good question, really ;) Jul 27 21:12:28 Give me a sec Jul 27 21:13:28 Rigolo: U-Boot 1.3.2-moko12 (May 9 2008 - 10:28:48) Jul 27 21:13:54 ChaosEagle: and are you sure that version is not capable of ext3 booting? Jul 27 21:14:26 Rigolo: Aye, there was a post in the forums some days ago, stating that this functionality only got into u-boot recently Jul 27 21:14:46 Rigolo: Up to now, it needs a seperate vfat partition on the sd Jul 27 21:15:06 tkep: still having probs? Jul 27 21:15:41 may 9th not recent enough? Jul 27 21:16:29 My resolv.conf always keeps changing back to 192.168.0.200 how do I make my changes persistant? Jul 27 21:16:56 As I said, the image I have can't boot from anything but vfat Jul 27 21:17:06 and I'm not willing to repartition my sd card again... Jul 27 21:17:18 spydon: take a look at /etc/network/interfaces Jul 27 21:18:43 ChaosEagle: and what version is then available on the buildhost? Jul 27 21:19:03 thx peter-b Jul 27 21:19:11 Rigolo: the same, appearantly -.- Jul 27 21:19:21 kd8ikt, yeah, sorry, i just got a call at work. troubleshooting network issues for RHEL :) Jul 27 21:19:31 ChaosEagle: u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr6+ ... looks older to me even :-) Jul 27 21:19:33 basically the same thing you are doing for me, except i get paid. Jul 27 21:19:46 nope, not older, but the same... Jul 27 21:19:46 so, basically, i owe you a beer Jul 27 21:19:48 rub it in Jul 27 21:20:11 they should use irc Jul 27 21:20:11 luckily mine was a simple "why am i getting a siocaddrt error?" Jul 27 21:20:11 So it's more waiting until the image hits the buildhost, then :&/ Jul 27 21:20:14 -& Jul 27 21:20:22 because you are an idiot sir. Jul 27 21:20:35 ChaosEagle: 1.3.1 looks older then 1.3.2 to me ... :-) Jul 27 21:20:37 Hey all :) Jul 27 21:20:41 anywho...back to my issue, yes, still getting the same error Jul 27 21:20:49 i can give you the full error if it helps Jul 27 21:21:12 tkep ... what do you see when you do a lsusb on your desktop machine Jul 27 21:21:21 guess the next option is to pull any other usb's out and try again Jul 27 21:21:31 Rigolo: Oh, got a typo up there Jul 27 21:21:38 Rigolo, nothing about the fr Jul 27 21:21:42 well, nothing in text Jul 27 21:21:45 it should be 1.3.1, at least the other image is from the same date Jul 27 21:22:16 Bus 003 Device 017: ID 1d50:5119 Jul 27 21:22:20 anyway... anything new about the gemplus-SIM-issue? Jul 27 21:22:21 that would be the freerunner, no? Jul 27 21:23:07 that is what I got here also tkep Jul 27 21:24:27 let me try flashing by specifying the alt number Jul 27 21:25:00 eh, same thing as name Jul 27 21:25:01 tkep: and when you put yout FR in DFU mode .. and then do a dfutil -l you get? Jul 27 21:25:08 Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=37, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade" Jul 27 21:25:46 Rigolo, http://pastebin.ca/1084573 Jul 27 21:25:56 i used to get that Jul 27 21:26:00 until i got this error Jul 27 21:26:06 now i get what's in pastebin Jul 27 21:26:12 it's like it's in limbo or something Jul 27 21:26:37 are you sure it is in DFU mode? Jul 27 21:27:18 yes Jul 27 21:27:40 and you did specify on dfutil what device to use? like kd8ikt told you? Jul 27 21:27:41 unplug; reboot into nand (hold power then aux together) then plug in usb Jul 27 21:27:42 if i turn it off and back on Jul 27 21:27:45 i get this: Jul 27 21:27:54 Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=21, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade" Jul 27 21:27:54 Found Runtime: [0x413c:0x8127] devnum=7, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED" Jul 27 21:28:13 then i do: ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D -d --device 0x1d50:0x5119 uImage-2.6.24+git20080424-om-gta02.bin Jul 27 21:28:13 that is better ... the first one is the FR Jul 27 21:28:27 and then it switches to what is in pastebin, after erroring out Jul 27 21:29:13 have the latest dfu-util? Jul 27 21:29:19 i assume so Jul 27 21:29:40 dfu-util version 0.1+svn4160 Jul 27 21:30:30 downloaded yesterday from http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/dfu-util Jul 27 21:30:41 uboot version? Jul 27 21:30:49 shipped one? Jul 27 21:31:05 1.3.2-moko12 Jul 27 21:31:19 is that the shipped? Jul 27 21:31:34 thinkso Jul 27 21:31:44 tkep: you used bot the -d and the --device statement ... that is too much I think Jul 27 21:31:59 Rigolo, not according the the --help of ./dfu-util Jul 27 21:32:00 just try -d 0x1457:0x5119 Jul 27 21:32:06 heh yeah -d is --device Jul 27 21:32:15 tkep: it is -d OR --device ... not both Jul 27 21:32:16 either or Jul 27 21:32:16 * tkep idiot Jul 27 21:32:20 no, i knew that Jul 27 21:32:28 sigh....i misread the thing Jul 27 21:32:36 n8 Jul 27 21:32:36 * tkep can read a man page, but is just dumb Jul 27 21:33:09 * kd8ikt crosses fingers hoping it'll work now Jul 27 21:34:05 kd8ikt, now i get the more than one dfu device Jul 27 21:34:16 ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D --device 0x1d50:0x5119 uImage-2.6.24+git20080424-om-gta02.bin Jul 27 21:34:23 this whole thing is a humbling experience Jul 27 21:34:44 shit Jul 27 21:34:46 i'm dumb again Jul 27 21:34:49 one sec Jul 27 21:34:55 humbling or like masterbation with a cheese grater Jul 27 21:35:03 ]tkep ... it think it should be 0x1457:0x5119 Jul 27 21:36:43 nope, it's right Jul 27 21:36:46 and it's fucking working Jul 27 21:36:47 ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D kernel.bin -d devicenode Jul 27 21:36:53 holy crap-monster Jul 27 21:37:13 kd8ikt, i did it a bit different, but it works now :) Jul 27 21:37:17 let me guess ... forgot sudo :-) Jul 27 21:37:24 -D (needs its download file) Jul 27 21:37:35 no, kd8ikt got it Jul 27 21:37:40 then extra comments Jul 27 21:37:43 okee Jul 27 21:37:50 ok, now my next question Jul 27 21:37:57 so what is next? uboot upgrade :-) Jul 27 21:38:06 thats good might want to save that cmd you used for future reference Jul 27 21:38:08 is it normal for the flash NOR screen to go away after a few seconds? Jul 27 21:38:14 yea Jul 27 21:38:19 timeout Jul 27 21:38:21 can i get it back without shutting down? Jul 27 21:38:24 30 secs Jul 27 21:38:34 it is shutdown :-) Jul 27 21:38:38 sigh... Jul 27 21:38:38 go ahead and flash a new NAND image Jul 27 21:38:41 k Jul 27 21:38:51 one sec, thanks so much for helping me see my syntax errors Jul 27 21:38:52 damnit Jul 27 21:39:02 i wish it was a real problem so i didn't feel dumb Jul 27 21:39:04 You need to press the aux button now and then while in dfu-mode to keep it awake Jul 27 21:39:04 last i checked there waas a glitch when reflashing a new rootfs Jul 27 21:39:10 anyone got a FR handy to tell me what version of python is on it? Jul 27 21:39:11 one sec Jul 27 21:39:35 it wouldnt erase rootfs first so you'd be left with files leftover from previous jffs image Jul 27 21:39:55 kd8ikt: Wasn't that only on gta01? Jul 27 21:39:55 and one had to go into uboot shell and manually erase rootfs Jul 27 21:40:10 no it happened to me on the stock uboot Jul 27 21:40:20 Mine was shipped with a bad uboot, but that was fixed in august 2007 iirc Jul 27 21:40:45 kd8ikt: On the FR? Ouch.. Jul 27 21:41:11 but i updated to latest uboot a few days ago and so far hasnt seen it happen again Jul 27 21:41:20 then agian i havent flashed the rootfs in awhile Jul 27 21:41:21 mine came with 1.3.2 uboot version already .... Jul 27 21:41:55 my stock uboot had a weird version "dirty" was in the name Jul 27 21:42:26 i'm sure its somewhere in the irc logs Jul 27 21:42:26 sure you got a gta02v5 :-) Jul 27 21:42:32 yea Jul 27 21:42:50 gta02v5b Jul 27 21:43:07 * Rigolo is going to leave you guys .... let see if I can get some sleep ... Jul 27 21:43:19 alright, currently flashing the root filesystem, let's see how that goes Jul 27 21:43:25 Rigolo, thanks for all the help!!! Jul 27 21:43:26 what is the difference between gta02v5 and gta02v5b? Jul 27 21:43:31 dunno Jul 27 21:43:39 spydon: just a missed b :-) Jul 27 21:43:58 hehe k :P Jul 27 21:44:10 before people stat looking for the ilustrious gta02v5 :-) Jul 27 21:44:35 before you know it ... you can get one on ebay from 1500 USD :-) Jul 27 21:45:03 but ... I was gone :-) Jul 27 21:45:45 <|Marco|> hehhe Jul 27 21:49:31 I'm going too Jul 27 21:49:32 bah, I hate this no-charging-on-empty-battery bug Jul 27 21:49:39 good night everybody =) Jul 27 21:51:38 well, my team did not win, did not lose, and scored all the goals in the game Jul 27 21:56:58 hi Jul 27 21:59:19 I just do the getting started guide. the freerunner has a connection to inet and now I want to upgrade my software. I run opkg update, and as described in the tut, with the 8 signature errors. next step is "opkg upgrade dropbear", but I only get "nothinh to be done. I think the update didn't work. Any ideas? Jul 27 22:00:28 "opkg status dropbear" ... if the version is 0.51-r1, it's current Jul 27 22:00:29 do an upgrade again, check to see if there's an error about downloading the Packages.gz file Jul 27 22:02:02 do you mean update? Jul 27 22:02:07 yeah Jul 27 22:02:09 sorry :P Jul 27 22:02:29 anyone able to tell me what version of python is/can be on FR ? Jul 27 22:02:37 error 8 + faild sig files Jul 27 22:03:18 root@om-gta02:~# python -V Jul 27 22:03:19 Python 2.5.2 Jul 27 22:03:36 dropbear, version 0.49 Jul 27 22:03:56 what do you mean by "error 8" ? Jul 27 22:05:10 that was the last line I got as output Jul 27 22:05:36 well, i dunno what error 8 is, but that's the problem Jul 27 22:05:42 heh Jul 27 22:05:43 I use putty and a proxy on xp, if that matters Jul 27 22:06:06 does it mean error cant fetch pkg? Jul 27 22:06:16 oh, do you mean it says 8 errors, or error 8 (as in, error code 8) Jul 27 22:06:25 yeah, sry Jul 27 22:06:41 yeah, your phone probably isn't actually online Jul 27 22:06:45 error code 8 Jul 27 22:06:59 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rd88b728ac761 10/data/ (6 files in 2 dirs): use unicode arrows Jul 27 22:07:20 it seems to download a lot of packages... not only for the FR Jul 27 22:07:28 ieatlint: well, any progress on your problem ? Jul 27 22:07:43 no, i suppose i could re-flash now though :P Jul 27 22:08:15 If you manage to find the cause, please tell me in private as I won't be there I think Jul 27 22:08:21 (It's well past midnight here) Jul 27 22:10:14 do I have to restart after opkg update? Jul 27 22:10:33 reboot? Jul 27 22:11:08 will do Jul 27 22:11:25 jopk: Should not be necessary Jul 27 22:11:30 kd8ikt: thanks for the python info; I'm reading the lint-wifi code, doing some pythonic fixups; that lets me know what syntax I can use :) Jul 27 22:11:34 jopk: Except for updating the kernel Jul 27 22:12:57 pjz: be sure to submit those fixes back ;) Jul 27 22:13:33 ieatlint: yup, will do. They're minor but make the coe a bit more readable IMHO Jul 27 22:13:45 ieatlint: oh, hey, you the author? Jul 27 22:13:45 yeah, it's a bit of a mess Jul 27 22:13:56 you got the code from svn right? Jul 27 22:13:58 yeah Jul 27 22:14:00 .nod Jul 27 22:14:01 yeah Jul 27 22:14:09 ok, that's current... Jul 27 22:14:17 (my first python app) Jul 27 22:17:15 works fine for me so far, then again my moko autostarts wpa_supplicant at boot and my config is solid Jul 27 22:17:50 wpa_supplicant will continue to search and lock onto a new AP if the current one gets out of range right? Jul 27 22:18:10 it should, anyway Jul 27 22:18:31 heh yay now i just need to make sure udhcpc has a fast renew rate Jul 27 22:18:58 like once a min or so or just renew it via lint-wifi Jul 27 22:21:10 kd8ikt: udhcpc config can force the lease time... Jul 27 22:22:13 "lease=60 udhcpc -b" i think will do it Jul 27 22:35:59 I'm having problems with motomakefile. Jul 27 22:38:08 is there anyone here who can help me Jul 27 22:38:12 ? Jul 27 22:38:23 Cooldude1922: Describe your problem and someone will probably know Jul 27 22:38:24 perhaps you should go to #motorola for that :P Jul 27 22:38:33 mmaestri: Hehe ;) Jul 27 22:38:43 NOTE: Handling BitBake files: / (2124/5574) [38 %] Jul 27 22:39:11 it's stuck there. Jul 27 22:39:37 I guess it fails to download some sources maybe? Jul 27 22:40:01 Was that during make setup or make update or what? Jul 27 22:40:22 I started a new build using the makefile about 3 hours ago, no problems Jul 27 22:40:31 make openmoko-devel-install. Jul 27 22:40:43 *image Jul 27 22:41:04 Hmm.. That's what I'm building too now Jul 27 22:41:09 how long does it take on average to build an ARM version of openmoko? Jul 27 22:41:18 Depens on the computer Jul 27 22:41:35 On my old one, amd64 1gb ram, it took around 12 hours Jul 27 22:41:39 from scratch Jul 27 22:41:42 i'm doing mine now Jul 27 22:41:46 and i'm sure it's died Jul 27 22:41:55 NOTE: package openmoko-devel-image-1.0: completed Jul 27 22:42:00 just says that for ages Jul 27 22:42:10 lol.....how do I know when it's done? Jul 27 22:42:19 ajbrun: Disk full? Jul 27 22:42:23 It takes a lot of space.. Jul 27 22:42:24 shouldn't be Jul 27 22:42:26 sorry i just dropped out earlier Jul 27 22:42:33 had to leave work in a hurry :) Jul 27 22:42:50 200+ gb free Jul 27 22:43:05 Heh, ok. Takes 10-12 gb or so to build from scratch Jul 27 22:43:10 wait...if it builds for ARM it's not any smaller than the regular image? Jul 27 22:43:19 I'm building for OMAP3EVM Jul 27 22:43:28 http://pastebin.com/d65520189 Jul 27 22:43:37 has that last line for about an hour now at a guess Jul 27 22:43:49 always seems to freeze somewhere Jul 27 22:44:08 Weird Jul 27 22:44:16 Usually it's just mono that fails for me Jul 27 22:44:27 but then i have qemu-arm at 96% cpu which i guess it that Jul 27 22:44:33 Cooldude1922: Why building for that arm? Trying to do what? Jul 27 22:44:39 so it must be doing something Jul 27 22:44:58 ajbrun: It uses qemu-arm to generate locales I think Jul 27 22:45:03 i'll have to stop it soon to go to bed anyway - i'll re start it again tomorrow morning and just let it run Jul 27 22:45:03 I'm trying to check for backward compatability with older phones....razr, and some other ones. Jul 27 22:45:09 Used to take around an hour Jul 27 22:45:10 i thought i turned locales off Jul 27 22:45:18 Ok, then I don't know Jul 27 22:45:29 ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" Jul 27 22:45:34 Cooldude1922: I think there's quite a lot about that in the mailinglists Jul 27 22:45:38 while(1) Jul 27 22:45:38 fork(); Jul 27 22:45:40 ajbrun: That should do it yes Jul 27 22:45:56 print ("nuclear meltdown initiated") Jul 27 22:46:00 Cooldude1922: Taken a look at Angstrom? Jul 27 22:46:09 um no... Jul 27 22:46:26 Or open ezx? Jul 27 22:47:02 no.... Jul 27 22:47:07 should I have? Jul 27 22:47:14 kd8ikt: never reaches the print() ;-) Jul 27 22:47:24 heh Jul 27 22:47:50 Cooldude1922: Maybe, if you want to play with a razor Jul 27 22:47:50 you should print() before while(1)! Jul 27 22:48:00 yea Jul 27 22:48:15 or inside the loop Jul 27 22:48:24 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_bomb Jul 27 22:48:44 well, I just looked at openezx and they dont fit in line with what I'm trying to do. Jul 27 22:50:37 angstrom doesn't either. Jul 27 22:51:28 haha. i am loving FSO. responsive and reliable is great, even if its phone-only Jul 27 22:51:37 * donomo struggled with 2007.2 Jul 27 22:51:58 donomo, any good guides for installing fso? Jul 27 22:52:04 it appears, to me, to be the most promising Jul 27 22:52:05 i just wanted to make that simple 360 bubble level program as a proof oc concept for the accellerometers Jul 27 22:52:35 tkep: the install is simple, like the other images, dfu-util -a kernel, and dfu-util -a rootfs Jul 27 22:52:58 awesome. still the same opkg update/upgrade? do you have to change the repos? Jul 27 22:52:59 ieatlint: you around? Jul 27 22:53:07 yeah Jul 27 22:53:37 ieatlint: is lint-wifi.py the main program? Jul 27 22:53:50 yeah Jul 27 22:53:58 oka Jul 27 22:54:07 wpa_lint is a "replacement" for wpa_cli Jul 27 22:54:37 oh i thought it was a suppliment Jul 27 22:54:50 (increases command support -- wpa_cli doesn't allow the "set_network" command except in interactive mode) Jul 27 22:56:34 please watch my emo: http://emogochi.eu/index.php?page=show&id=11347&lang=en thx:D Jul 27 22:57:00 Chocky, ping Jul 27 22:57:28 tkep: actually im a bit confused on that point because the FSO image uses the same repos Jul 27 22:57:33 i look down on anyone who actually loads that url Jul 27 22:57:43 donomo, that's all i needed to know :) Jul 27 22:57:45 tkep: so i dont know if that means there is no FSO_comptible repo, or there is no need for one and the mail repo is fine Jul 27 22:57:57 s/mail/main/ Jul 27 22:57:58 donomo meant: tkep: so i dont know if that means there is no FSO_comptible repo, or there is no need for one and the main repo is fine Jul 27 22:58:20 donomo: FSO is a "proof of concept" image that only does telephony (ie, phone calls ONLY .. no sms, no contacts, no call history, nothing) Jul 27 22:58:22 after a week of this, i'll be trying ASU and qtopia too. Jul 27 22:58:34 ieatlint: FSO is the daemons and stuff, zhone is the demo app Jul 27 22:58:41 and it does sms now too.. Jul 27 22:58:43 and contacts Jul 27 22:58:45 i mean the FSO image Jul 27 22:58:49 ieatlint: yes i know :) and it does that with a wonderfully fast response time and a pretty blue background Jul 27 22:58:57 ieatlint: yes, it also contains the daemons etc Jul 27 22:59:01 edistar: oh really. Jul 27 22:59:03 but yeah, i look forward to milestone2 :) Jul 27 22:59:09 donomo: yes :) Jul 27 22:59:21 edistar: is there a daily for FSO? im using milestone1 Jul 27 22:59:33 * tkep currently updating om2007.2 with opkg update...prays it works well this time Jul 27 22:59:41 sigh... Jul 27 22:59:43 donomo: http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/ totally unofficial :) Jul 27 22:59:48 is currently* Jul 27 23:00:02 totally :-) Jul 27 23:00:15 alphaone: hope you don't mind? :) Jul 27 23:00:24 edistar: No, go ahead Jul 27 23:00:42 not that I'm stealing your bandwidth Jul 27 23:00:55 I had hoped to have an updated image tonight, but I think I'm too tired Jul 27 23:01:20 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rd6838d19ac2d 10/data/themes/ (zhone.edc zhone_menu.edc): Move TARGET macro to zhone.edc Jul 27 23:01:20 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * re4072f2c416a 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): use the target gird for contacts Jul 27 23:01:20 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * racb70a2587f1 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): also use the target grid for list_choose and sms Jul 27 23:01:20 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r89d9af7c45e6 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): add pager and do some fine-tuning Jul 27 23:01:20 edistar/alphaone: thanks Jul 27 23:01:45 GTA01 people have to build it themselves or? :) Jul 27 23:01:51 ok, time to go eat. be back later Jul 27 23:01:52 CM: yes Jul 27 23:02:09 whats the difference between rootfs.jffs2 and rootfs.jffs2.summary? Jul 27 23:02:14 edistar: Ok, np. Just restarted a new build with the right requirements Jul 27 23:04:15 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r3516aceb15e7 10/src/zhone: remove debug prints Jul 27 23:06:11 donomo: the .summary has some extra info in the fs that makes it startup a bit faster Jul 27 23:11:35 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r84bbb0c6f2bf 10/src/zhone: fix copy and paste error Jul 27 23:15:09 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rcb748dcabf98 10/src/zhone: fix star button Jul 27 23:15:18 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r454c2a1da4ad 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ (abstract/modem.py ti_calypso/channel.py): ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO]: don't mix + and % commands in one command. should fix the bogus-resume-without-reason bug Jul 27 23:15:57 FSO runs on a lot of python. Jul 27 23:26:14 problems with dns configuration Jul 27 23:26:56 i can ping an outside num address but i cant ping a named address Jul 27 23:28:07 hi - could someone help real quick? Jul 27 23:28:13 linuxxr: i hand-edit /etc/resolv.conf to fix that Jul 27 23:28:14 i have openmoko running in qemu atm Jul 27 23:28:30 but what to put in there Jul 27 23:28:36 but i don't seem to be able to do anything and the GUI looks nothing like i've seen before Jul 27 23:28:48 i have a router at 192.168.0.1 Jul 27 23:29:07 i have 4 buttons at the button - a phone, a Q, a star and a padlock, but none of them do anything when clicked Jul 27 23:29:09 ieatlint: okay, patch submitted to the project tracker Jul 27 23:29:11 is this normal? Jul 27 23:29:18 linuxxr: use the IP address of the DNS server from your ISP. or use 4.2.2.2 Jul 27 23:29:42 ajbrun: mm... they should do something; did you let it finish booting up? Jul 27 23:29:52 yep Jul 27 23:30:02 ajbrun: no idea. Jul 27 23:30:07 i have some public addresses in /etc/resolve on my desktop Jul 27 23:30:16 4 of them Jul 27 23:31:02 http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/1803/screenshotqemuvb3.png Jul 27 23:31:09 screenie of that i'm looking at Jul 27 23:32:13 linuxxr: perfect Jul 27 23:32:15 ajbrun: well, that looks okayish Jul 27 23:32:36 put 1 in there or all in there? Jul 27 23:32:43 linuxxr: it doesnt matter Jul 27 23:32:47 ok Jul 27 23:34:01 ok they were in there Jul 27 23:34:55 so, what can be done with the ncurses error i get everytime i attempt to update? Jul 27 23:35:09 i assume i'm not the only person with this issue Jul 27 23:35:18 oping: bad address 'www.yahoo.com' Jul 27 23:35:26 tkep: remove --force ncurses Jul 27 23:35:31 tkep: the libncurses is enough Jul 27 23:36:26 donomo, thanks Jul 27 23:37:30 linuxxr, can you put the contents of your resolv.conf in pastebin? Jul 27 23:37:57 do i need an account? Jul 27 23:38:00 i mean, honestly, it should read "nameserver xx.xx.xx.xx" Jul 27 23:38:12 and, most people, can just put the ip of the router Jul 27 23:38:21 ok Jul 27 23:38:27 my linksys router with tomato firmware is 192.168.1.1 Jul 27 23:38:39 so my /etc/resolv.conf reads "nameserver 192.168.1.1" Jul 27 23:38:42 mine is 0.1 Jul 27 23:38:48 so yeah, do that Jul 27 23:38:52 ok Jul 27 23:39:02 on the freerunner? Jul 27 23:39:05 yup Jul 27 23:39:12 obviously, you'll need to remove the quotes Jul 27 23:39:22 the easiest way is to do this: Jul 27 23:39:42 # echo "nameserver 192.168.0.1" > /etc/resolv.conf Jul 27 23:39:50 that'll put it in there with one command Jul 27 23:40:42 (that command needs the quotes btw) Jul 27 23:42:35 bad address 'www.yahoo.com Jul 27 23:43:15 still will ping a # address Jul 27 23:43:15 so, what's the first line of # cat /etc/resolv.conf Jul 27 23:44:24 nameserver 192.168.0.1 Jul 27 23:44:35 only 1 line Jul 27 23:45:03 thats on the freerunner Jul 27 23:45:10 and # ping -c 4 69.147.76.15 Jul 27 23:45:12 that works? Jul 27 23:45:25 yes Jul 27 23:46:08 why does wiki say 192.168.0.200/ Jul 27 23:46:16 ok, so you definitely can ping yahoo Jul 27 23:46:22 yes Jul 27 23:46:30 no dns though Jul 27 23:47:28 maybe i dont have a dns server Jul 27 23:47:37 linuxxr, so, what if you add 208.67.222.222 as the nameserver? Jul 27 23:47:46 ok Jul 27 23:47:52 wat is it Jul 27 23:48:00 that's opendns's main nameserver Jul 27 23:48:05 it's safe :) Jul 27 23:48:13 ok Jul 27 23:48:14 https://www.opendns.com/start?device=ubuntu Jul 27 23:48:28 usins slackware Jul 27 23:48:34 doesn't matter Jul 27 23:48:48 i'm just giving you that so you know that i'm not giving you a rogue dns Jul 27 23:49:16 ok Jul 27 23:52:06 any word? Jul 27 23:52:59 so, after an opkg upgrade today, i hang at the openmoko splash screen. i take it i'll need to reflash it? Jul 27 23:53:14 the kernel, yes Jul 27 23:53:28 but not the rest? Jul 27 23:53:32 shes working now Jul 27 23:53:38 glad to hear linuxxr :) Jul 27 23:53:43 TY Jul 27 23:53:57 np, i've received some good help in here, figured i could give back Jul 27 23:54:03 make a little help thing outa that Jul 27 23:54:19 linuxxr, do what? Jul 27 23:54:23 * Chocky will answer for any confusion on the USB networking page. Jul 27 23:54:46 and Chocky, so all i need to do is flash the kernel? the april one? Jul 27 23:55:00 perhaps just go back to yesterday's Jul 27 23:55:08 ok, sounds good Jul 27 23:55:08 ahhhh im a linux noob thats the prob Jul 27 23:55:10 thanks Jul 27 23:55:11 I don't know what the details are, but that's what I'm running. Jul 27 23:55:31 linuxxr, a noob running slack, good job. that's a good distro to start on Jul 27 23:55:50 you'll appreciate easier distros after that :P Jul 27 23:55:51 heh, perhaps. It depends how you want to approach it Jul 27 23:56:06 if you "just want it to work", Ubuntu _might_ be a good choice Jul 27 23:56:18 thus ^^^ Jul 27 23:56:20 i have used a bunch of linuxxes but im a simple kinda guy an slack has NEVER failed me Jul 27 23:56:31 im = instant messenger :p Jul 27 23:56:31 linuxxr, good to hear Jul 27 23:56:33 ubuntu has Jul 27 23:57:02 Ubuntu is a bit too inflexible for my linking however. It quite reasonably targets a certain section of the Linux audience. Jul 27 23:57:06 linkin Jul 27 23:57:09 liking! Jul 27 23:57:12 nows i can opkg upgrade:) Jul 27 23:57:37 ha, and get the hang like i did Jul 27 23:58:03 so what do you use Chocky? debian? Jul 27 23:58:11 hello Jul 27 23:58:11 Debian tries to be all things, and mostly does a good job, most of the time. It fails on small devices, but EmDebian is improving that. Jul 27 23:58:14 yessir. Jul 27 23:58:20 now we smoking Jul 27 23:58:27 i installed tangogps and it works... but i cant set the directory for my cache because i cannot type a / character Jul 27 23:58:33 my desktop, laptop, DVR, phone and 2 work machines all run Debian. Jul 27 23:58:34 on 2007.2 image Jul 27 23:58:41 the routers I develop run Debian Jul 27 23:58:41 orzo, install the matchbox keyboard Jul 27 23:58:48 thanks Jul 27 23:58:51 tkep IS the man Jul 27 23:58:58 my ARM Desktop machine can run Debian - indeed, I did the kernel port for that. Jul 27 23:59:01 i think Jul 27 23:59:13 orzo: one way to do it is put in one bit of the path, press ok, then go back in, it adds a slash every time you go in there Jul 27 23:59:27 orzo, even though chocky will hate me for it, http://freerunnerhq.com/tiki-index.php?page=Matchbox+Keyboard Jul 27 23:59:32 :o Jul 27 23:59:37 there's a good, quick guide for it :) Jul 27 23:59:45 there is a mention on the getting started guide. Jul 27 23:59:56 of course, but it's in the middle of it Jul 27 23:59:59 this is just for it Jul 28 00:00:01 ;) Jul 28 00:00:06 tkep, i have a neo1973 Jul 28 00:00:15 orzo, i would assume it's no different Jul 28 00:00:28 shouldn't matter as it's software Jul 28 00:00:31 linuxxr, i didn't do much, but thanks Jul 28 00:00:47 hello all Jul 28 00:00:55 what will happen to the current keyboard? Jul 28 00:01:08 goes away Jul 28 00:01:16 maybe i should ssh -X to teh neo for now Jul 28 00:01:17 heh Jul 28 00:01:35 to get the current one back, reverse the steps basically. remove the matchbox one and then install the multi-tap Jul 28 00:01:37 alias sshneo='ssh -X root@neo' Jul 28 00:01:41 :) Jul 28 00:02:08 ok, time to run for now Jul 28 00:02:10 back later Jul 28 00:02:13 take it easy guys Jul 28 00:02:28 what's the usual location for maps on /media/card ? Jul 28 00:02:48 well, the default for tangogps seems to be /tmp, but you could probably put it anywhere you wanted. Jul 28 00:03:33 heh, story. Jul 28 00:03:41 is /tmp persistent? Jul 28 00:03:44 nope Jul 28 00:03:55 well i dont have internet on the go Jul 28 00:04:03 i ought to have cached maps tho Jul 28 00:04:18 Was at Costco. Wife's Razr is dying, and 2 year contract is up. Guy at the booth mention that very few phones are sold now without a camera. Jul 28 00:04:29 yes. Jul 28 00:04:31 indeed. Jul 28 00:04:38 Y or I : install the package maintainer's version Jul 28 00:04:38 N or O : keep your currently-installed version Jul 28 00:04:46 what is the file? Jul 28 00:05:09 this is on opkg upgrade Jul 28 00:05:19 yes, but what is the file it's mooing at? Jul 28 00:05:24 * Chocky bets /etc/network/interfaces? Jul 28 00:05:47 /etc/pulse/default.pa Jul 28 00:05:51 hum. Jul 28 00:05:51 i think Jul 28 00:06:05 unless you change that deliberately, Y is the best bet Jul 28 00:06:14 The default action is to keep your current version. Jul 28 00:08:25 damn it Jul 28 00:08:35 i keep trying to set the cache dir via the gui and it keeps setting it back Jul 28 00:08:39 aw. Jul 28 00:08:46 why is it doing that Jul 28 00:09:01 cos it's buggy? Jul 28 00:09:43 damn Jul 28 00:09:50 is there a config file i can edit Jul 28 00:10:02 is there a question mark you can use Jul 28 00:10:09 smart ass Jul 28 00:10:24 True, sorry for asking for clarity. Jul 28 00:10:32 that you determined a question mark was called for shows it was unnecessary Jul 28 00:10:37 oh please. Jul 28 00:10:51 my answering is unnecessary also. Jul 28 00:11:09 ya Jul 28 00:11:12 dont bother Jul 28 00:11:18 I wont (sic) Jul 28 00:11:48 hi chocky Jul 28 00:11:52 trix. Jul 28 00:11:55 how goes the wiki editing Jul 28 00:12:07 usb networking does look a lot better Jul 28 00:12:42 I will improve the Debian page once I am sure of some issues. Jul 28 00:13:12 <||Leto||> uhm iirc there's webkit running on the fr Jul 28 00:13:22 * Chocky sighs. Who gives a pansy about Jobs Jul 28 00:13:28 <||Leto||> does it have support for jpeg2000? Jul 28 00:13:29 about Jobs' health Jul 28 00:14:00 * kd8ikt has a jobs voodoo doll Jul 28 00:15:36 is there a speed test thread for the freerunner, for uploads and downloads on different networks with different plans? Jul 28 00:17:01 make one ;-) Jul 28 00:18:25 uploads on the same network can be highly variable, however. depends on time of day, range from tower, etc. Jul 28 00:18:54 well, i dont have one yet, but was wondering if it is viable to stream flac to them Jul 28 00:19:08 at around 500kbps Jul 28 00:19:15 or even mp3 at half that rate Jul 28 00:19:21 that sounds too high for GSM uploads Jul 28 00:19:42 MP3 is more reasonable at 128Kbps Jul 28 00:20:04 i mean to download, not upload Jul 28 00:20:19 so if i have a music server, could I use the freerunner to play my music in the car remotely Jul 28 00:20:29 ah, FLAC might work, just. MP3 would be more than fine. Jul 28 00:20:33 its not edge compatable, right? Jul 28 00:20:42 * Chocky suggests a question mark for you also. Jul 28 00:20:55 well flac is normally around 750kbps, but lossyflac is ~400 Jul 28 00:21:11 I think you'd be best simply getting an 8GB microSD Jul 28 00:21:52 thats awesome that it is out of stock - i got to play with one last week at hope and it was surprisingly smaller than the pictures made it seem Jul 28 00:22:00 need to use bigger hand models :-p Jul 28 00:22:34 i have my 60gb ipod full of my own ripped cds... Jul 28 00:23:01 I could wait for the next revision, hoping that 3g would be supported Jul 28 00:23:04 well, use your ipod in the car :p Jul 28 00:23:07 but that kinda stinks Jul 28 00:23:42 It would be cool if I could decouple my media from my devices, given that my devices were capable enough (hardware and software wise) to access that media from anywhere Jul 28 00:24:15 I could have the media server provide a shoutcast stream that transcodes to an acceptable kbps on the fly, and just request song changes after browsing through ssh Jul 28 00:24:22 that would be hot Jul 28 00:24:23 well, assuming you have an unlimited data plan, I don't see any problem with streaming. Jul 28 00:27:45 i still havent mest with gprs Jul 28 00:28:17 * Chocky suggests "messed" Jul 28 00:28:28 i dont think i need a speciall password or anything i just need to dial a certian number Jul 28 00:28:50 Then what magic is supposed to happen? Jul 28 00:28:58 i dunno Jul 28 00:29:20 Howdy dudes. What's a reasonable-battery-life image one can flash? Jul 28 00:29:29 heh. none of them :o Jul 28 00:29:30 (For a FreeRunner/GTA02.) I've been out of the loop for a few weeks. Jul 28 00:29:32 you'll definitely want the 8gb microSD if you want the english version of wikipedia on your neo :) Jul 28 00:29:39 battery life is a work in progress. Jul 28 00:29:40 Zing! )-: Jul 28 00:29:59 and progreee sucks Jul 28 00:30:08 or you could just use a browser :p Jul 28 00:42:49 i know why it wasnt setting the config Jul 28 00:44:31 On frequency allocation. Jul 28 00:44:33 Pretty poster. Jul 28 00:44:35 http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/GSM_WorldFreqBands2006A.pdf Jul 28 00:44:48 (global distribution) Jul 28 00:56:17 lottsa new stuff:) Jul 28 01:01:33 is there any particular reason that sig checks still fail when updating repos? Jul 28 01:02:13 cos no one has fixed it yet. Jul 28 01:05:27 there arent any signatures... Jul 28 01:05:53 Chocky: should have been more specific... is there any particular reason that no one has fixed it (ie. no reason to implement ... plans to move away from opkg ... too busy watching reruns of "I Dream of Genie" ... ) Jul 28 01:06:04 it really doesnt matter thats like not doing an md5sum of your file before you extract it Jul 28 01:06:38 dont let it keep you up at night Jul 28 01:07:14 more important things need to be done Jul 28 01:07:22 like suspend/resume Jul 28 01:07:53 kd8ikt: ha! I know. it's just a bit bothersome to see such an easy fix go unattended...better things to do though, I suppose Jul 28 01:07:56 right Jul 28 01:08:25 I'd sell my first born for suspend/resume Jul 28 01:08:45 well....that may be a bit extreme... Jul 28 01:10:46 what's wrong with suspend/resume? except for non-phone sound after resume Jul 28 01:11:43 mine doesnt resume correctly i get a white screen Jul 28 01:11:53 everytime Jul 28 01:13:02 i think i could deal with nosound one might fix by rmmod all the sound kernel modules and modprobe them Jul 28 01:13:19 but i cant get that far Jul 28 01:14:36 kd8ikt: what image are you using? Jul 28 01:15:01 2007.2 OM Jul 28 01:15:46 drop a script in /etc/apm/resume.d/ i'd think to rm the modules and reinsert them Jul 28 01:15:47 kd8ikt: and you get a white screen on resume?? I've seen something similar with Qtopia (upstream) .... but not 2007.2 Jul 28 01:16:03 maybe my board is broke Jul 28 01:17:44 That problem has been reported before; it appears to be a race condition somewhere. Probably not faulty hardware, just the usual faulty software somewhere. Jul 28 01:18:35 i sent an email to the mailinglist support@openmoko Jul 28 01:18:49 had a lil log of dmesg/logread with it Jul 28 01:18:55 dunno if that helps Jul 28 01:19:31 http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/aftersleep.logread Jul 28 01:20:37 bottom half Jul 28 01:20:51 wait didnt i show you already mwester? Jul 28 01:23:17 is there a notes application available? preferably something that would let me easily keep a shopping list on the FR Jul 28 01:23:25 it would be nice if I could write (draw) on the screen too Jul 28 01:23:47 I had a really nice note application on my old pocket pc Jul 28 01:24:22 mtpaint ? its a bit overkill but fun to play with Jul 28 01:24:41 something like that but simpler would be nice Jul 28 01:25:12 I install mtpaint but it never showed up Jul 28 01:25:23 installed Jul 28 01:25:44 think you need to run it from terminal Jul 28 01:25:52 kd8ikt: well, if it doesn't exist, maybe I'll create it to teach myself how to code on this thing... it's probably the simplest app that I can make :P Jul 28 01:25:54 ah Jul 28 01:26:14 we need pong still Jul 28 01:26:17 it's missing a /usr/share/applications/mt.desktop launcher Jul 28 01:26:54 one could easilly jimmy rig a simple launcher that can be found in the app list Jul 28 01:27:24 ya ill look to be honest, I forgot about it Jul 28 01:29:12 do 3.5mm plug headsets function well with an adapter on the freerunner? suggestions for good 3.5mm to 2.5mm adapter? Jul 28 01:32:42 so anyhow mtpaint works:-D Jul 28 01:33:11 nice... but I already gave up on going grocery shopping tonight :P Jul 28 01:33:15 the 2.5mm jack must be changed to a 3.5mm on next versions of the neo freerunner. because of the iphone, all the best headsets now use a 3.5mm interface. also, people's favorite headphones could be used with the device Jul 28 01:33:20 I'll just make corn bread instead Jul 28 01:35:30 xmpp: its amazing the 2.5mm jack was used at all. maybe its popular in taiwan Jul 28 01:35:58 i totally don't understand this decision Jul 28 01:36:56 it does seem pretty stupid... there was only one valid point made in its favor: headsets with 2.5mm jacks are smaller and lighter than their 3.5mm counterparts, in general Jul 28 01:37:17 which is a consequence of the favorite invalid point in its favor: everyone's doing it! Jul 28 01:37:55 also, there may have been some issues with having a 4th conductor for a mic with a 3.5mm... dunno exactly, it's been a long time since I read that ML thread Jul 28 01:38:49 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rd01203ace449 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): ogpsd: Implement the gypsy control interface. Navit now works with the gypsy source Jul 28 01:39:59 i was looking for a 2.5mm headset but they all suck compared to what's offered for the iphone... Jul 28 01:40:08 that reminds me... tangoGPS is a really awesome app. does it do turn-by-turn directions, or just show you a map? Jul 28 01:40:28 xmpp: why not bluetooth? I plan on getting a decent bluetooth headset once it works reliably Jul 28 01:40:37 Yanroy: moving map Jul 28 01:40:55 navit is for turn by turn i believe Jul 28 01:41:13 like a tomtom Jul 28 01:41:34 i'll probably get a bluetooth one too, but it'll always loose some quality for music and use more battery power Jul 28 01:41:49 SpeedEvil: that's what I was afraid of... but it seems like it would be a simple matter to make it navigate, since it already has all the data Jul 28 01:41:53 thats funny as soon as i saw the tomtom i thought it stupid till i heard about the linux part Jul 28 01:42:03 Yanroy: err - not really. Jul 28 01:42:05 efficient routing algorithms are complicated and CPU-intensive, but I bet we could make something usable' Jul 28 01:42:20 Yanroy: the problem is that the tiles are not the underlying data. Jul 28 01:42:26 Yanroy: there are several issues. Jul 28 01:42:27 shure and etymotic both make great 3.5mm jack headsets, i'm kind of annoyed Jul 28 01:42:28 SpeedEvil: what do you mean? Jul 28 01:43:03 A) Turn restriction dattdata is simply not present in the OSM database. Jul 28 01:43:07 it has to read the street lines tango just displays it Jul 28 01:43:32 B) It has to parse and present the database - which is currently a 60Gish chunk of XML. Jul 28 01:43:43 C) the actual routing algorithm. Jul 28 01:43:45 how to change the screen lock? the little ball to slide to the top almost looks nice until it actually slides and looks all squarish and fugly as if hardware specs cannot handle a round shape. Jul 28 01:43:47 whoah Jul 28 01:44:16 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Display_Locker Jul 28 01:44:27 thx Jul 28 01:44:33 isnt there a bot in here? Jul 28 01:44:35 !GSM Jul 28 01:44:47 GSM is the Global Standard for Mobile telephony. Jul 28 01:44:54 not you damnit Jul 28 01:44:57 A widespread standard used in most countries. Jul 28 01:45:16 i coulda swore there was a hellp bot Jul 28 01:45:24 !help Jul 28 01:45:33 Don't think so. Jul 28 01:45:37 ~gsm Jul 28 01:45:38 extra, extra, read all about it, gsm is a codec, operating at approx 13kbps up/down. four bands worldwide. 850/900/1900/1800MHz. Freerunner comes in two variants, one supporting 900, one 850. 900 is used in europe, and 850 in US. The other two bands in both. Jul 28 01:45:41 ~GSM Jul 28 01:45:42 extra, extra, read all about it, gsm is a codec, operating at approx 13kbps up/down. four bands worldwide. 850/900/1900/1800MHz. Freerunner comes in two variants, one supporting 900, one 850. 900 is used in europe, and 850 in US. The other two bands in both. Jul 28 01:45:48 a hah Jul 28 01:46:29 now how do we teach it stuff Jul 28 01:47:31 ~learn Display_locker http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Display_Locker Jul 28 01:48:00 apt: Display_Locker is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Display_Locker Jul 28 01:48:01 okay, nullpuppy Jul 28 01:48:14 ~Display_Locker Jul 28 01:48:14 ~Display_Locker Jul 28 01:48:14 nice Jul 28 01:48:15 from memory, display_locker is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Display_Locker Jul 28 01:48:28 thats how ;) Jul 28 01:48:35 ~usbnet Jul 28 01:48:36 usbnet is, like, at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking or and usbnet in 2.4.18 (desktop) is broken, you want to use > 2.4.19-pre2 or see windows usbnet for windows support or a patched version is at http://handhelds.org/~paxanima/usbnet/, or at http://zorian.kicks-ass.org/files/usbnet-2.4.21-rc7.tar.gz, or http://handhelds.org/~mallum/usbnet-2.4.20.patch, or dhcp over usbnet, ... Jul 28 01:49:25 hey, is there a way to make the clock on the main screen not be so big? I'd like to be able to see my background. also, I'd like a 12hr clock, not 24... the today screen wiki page doesn't mention that Jul 28 01:49:46 SpeedDatabaes Jul 28 01:49:48 base Jul 28 01:50:13 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Today/2007.2 Jul 28 01:50:24 Yanroy: you can set small_clock which will remove the clock (add openmoko-panel-clock to matchbox/session to add it to the panel) Jul 28 01:50:47 oh yeah i dunno about changing the clock format Jul 28 01:50:52 as for 12hr clock.. i know its possible, but i don't remember the setting Jul 28 01:51:05 * Chocky spanks the clowns adding underlines to wiki links. Jul 28 01:51:15 another gconfig setting? Jul 28 01:51:55 should be Jul 28 01:52:11 is there a way to qeury all available settings? Jul 28 01:52:37 maybe? i dunno, been sorta curious myself but too lazy to figure it out ;) Jul 28 01:56:05 i'd like to have mpd installed on the freerunner for music playback Jul 28 01:58:32 ah ha! Jul 28 01:58:53 kd8ikt: dbus-launch gconftool-2 -a /path/to/whatever/to/query Jul 28 01:59:21 ... what paths are there Jul 28 01:59:25 xmpp: maybe you'd be able to compile it with wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain Jul 28 01:59:56 kd8ikt: most of the matchbox stuff (panel, clock settings, wallpaper, etc) is in /desktop/poky/interface Jul 28 02:00:17 nice Jul 28 02:00:24 --all-dirs prints subdirectories Jul 28 02:00:50 dbus-launch gconftool-2 --help-client ;) Jul 28 02:02:52 ok, this should probably be put in the wiki somewhere... Jul 28 02:02:53 hmm Jul 28 02:03:22 there's /desktop /apps /system and /schemas and then stuff under all those (obviously) Jul 28 02:05:32 ugh i dont see anyof those Jul 28 02:05:41 * kd8ikt tries to compile mpd Jul 28 02:08:47 * kd8ikt contemplates a aptitude install *-dev Jul 28 02:09:38 hehe Jul 28 02:09:57 that'd probably take a while... Jul 28 02:11:14 configure: line 22997: `XIPH_PATH_AO(AC_DEFINE(HAVE_AO, 1, [Define to play with ao]) MPD_LIBS="$MPD_LIBS $AO_LIBS" MPD_CFLAGS="$MPD_CFLAGS $AO_CFLA Jul 28 02:11:24 libao? Jul 28 02:11:33 what of it? Jul 28 02:11:47 thats what it looks like Jul 28 02:11:51 but installed that pkg Jul 28 02:12:02 libao-dev? ;) Jul 28 02:12:06 yea Jul 28 02:12:10 hmm Jul 28 02:12:15 and mikmod and this and that Jul 28 02:12:23 nullpuppy: what's that matchbox/session thing you said I need to edit to get the panel clock? Jul 28 02:12:23 libmad Jul 28 02:12:26 I don't know where that is Jul 28 02:12:29 ~gps Jul 28 02:12:30 somebody said gps was http://russnelson.com/ipaq/gps/ or qpegps.sf.net or gpsqpe.sf.net Jul 28 02:13:29 Yanroy: dbus-launch gconftool-2 -t bool -s /desktop/poky/interface/small_clock true and add openmoko-panel-clock to the line in /etc/matchbox/session with the other entries that say openmoko-panel-blah... Jul 28 02:13:54 ah, ok Jul 28 02:13:55 thanks Jul 28 02:14:00 no prob Jul 28 02:14:13 ~wifi Jul 28 02:14:14 [wifi] see wireless or for a small compact non-port-blocking card, get one of these a) linksys wcf12 for only $65 shipped from buy.com b) netgear MA701NA for $65 shipped from buy.com c) socket LOW POWER wlan (amazing battery life) for $160 + shipping on buy.com, or better than nothing Jul 28 02:14:27 i'm fairly certain theres a way to make that 12hr time too, but not sure how. Jul 28 02:14:29 oo god noos Jul 28 02:14:36 i might be confusing myself with the qtopia image Jul 28 02:14:52 nullpuppy: interestingly, the panel clock seems to be the wrong time zone... Jul 28 02:15:04 Yanroy: is /etc/localtime set? Jul 28 02:15:13 nullpuppy: it was, unless it unset itself... checking Jul 28 02:15:14 and have you restarted x or rebooted since setting it? Jul 28 02:15:32 yes, it's set. and yes, I've restarted X twice Jul 28 02:15:39 the big clock had my local time correctly Jul 28 02:15:48 restarting x __should__ fix that, but i've had a couple times when i had to reboot first Jul 28 02:16:24 well, restarting again... maybe that will randomly fix it Jul 28 02:16:32 if not, I'll just hope it gets fixed on next reboot Jul 28 02:16:37 yup Jul 28 02:16:38 nah, still wrong :( it's on UTC Jul 28 02:16:43 huh. Jul 28 02:16:50 time to reboot then ;) Jul 28 02:17:00 should probably file a bug report on that too Jul 28 02:17:00 whoa... I just figured out what small clock means Jul 28 02:17:06 hehe Jul 28 02:17:13 there's really no need for the panel clock Jul 28 02:17:13 pretty awesome ain't it? Jul 28 02:17:18 oh yeah, true Jul 28 02:17:32 the small clock is correct, btw Jul 28 02:17:41 ok Jul 28 02:18:29 is there a way to set how long it waits before dimming/blanking/suspending? I know ASU has settings for it (though they don't seem to work) Jul 28 02:18:44 not that i know of (yet) Jul 28 02:18:46 I imagine it's just setting some config file... I haven't seen it mentioned on the wiki page, though I probably haven't looked in the righ tplace. Jul 28 02:18:54 * nullpuppy nods Jul 28 02:19:14 i seem to recall someone mentioning it was hardcoded in, but i may be thinking of something else Jul 28 02:19:26 hmm Jul 28 02:19:30 menus_have_icons Jul 28 02:19:35 ? Jul 28 02:19:42 in /desktop/poky/interface Jul 28 02:21:03 sad, that didn't change anything Jul 28 02:21:13 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07zhone * r31d62c1439be 10/src/zhone: Jul 28 02:21:13 freesmartphone.org: Update GPS signal and position windows Jul 28 02:21:13 freesmartphone.org: This does not work reliably yet (or only for the first update) Jul 28 02:23:43 ah, ok, it did change something Jul 28 02:23:52 menu's in the games now have icons ;) Jul 28 02:27:48 http://xrl.us/okyqw i'm on step 6 and i get "*** Error: CONTROL/control is missing field Architecture" Jul 28 02:28:05 i'm trying to build and run an application Jul 28 02:28:11 so, anyone have any guides on making the leds worthwhile? Jul 28 02:28:19 so far the only one i've seen is when i go into flash mode Jul 28 02:28:23 and it's for a short second Jul 28 02:28:49 where is this CONTROL/control file supposed to be? Jul 28 02:29:02 tkep: I have a vague memory of a mailing list post about someone who had a script that set up the LEDs to indicate charging status Jul 28 02:29:10 yup Jul 28 02:29:12 tkep: but that vague memory is all I can offer you, sorry Jul 28 02:29:19 Yanroy, better than none Jul 28 02:29:29 i can dig up the thread, one sec Jul 28 02:29:35 if you find it, let me know :) Jul 28 02:29:37 just, if nothing else, making sure i have working leds Jul 28 02:29:42 I also NEED charging status ! Jul 28 02:29:50 * nullpuppy played around with it a little bit Jul 28 02:29:57 its just a bit frustrating cause its like 2007.2 has been frozen and all real efforts have gone to a whole new stack Jul 28 02:30:01 my friends are already envious of my freerunner's functionality Jul 28 02:30:27 kd8ikt: I don't see the ASU ever being successful... I have hopes for FSO though Jul 28 02:30:33 http://www.smurfy.de/files/neo/openmoko-led-v1.tar.gz Jul 28 02:30:56 whats that nullpuppy Jul 28 02:30:58 nice nullpuppy Jul 28 02:31:02 basically.... set /sys/devices/platform/gta02-led.0/leds/*/brightness to 1 to be on, 0 to be off Jul 28 02:31:06 led script for charging Jul 28 02:31:12 Silly question, where does one find the current u-boot version on my FR? Jul 28 02:31:18 kd8ikt: source for a led test app thingy Jul 28 02:31:27 Toaster`, i find it by booting to the uboot menu Jul 28 02:31:36 turn it off, then hold Aux and press power Jul 28 02:31:40 it should say at the top Jul 28 02:31:43 tkep: but that seems too easy :/ Jul 28 02:31:47 was posted on the openmoko-community list around the 16th. thread was LEDs Jul 28 02:31:49 thats NOR tkep Jul 28 02:31:57 eh, whatever it is Jul 28 02:31:59 :) Jul 28 02:32:06 uboot is pwr then aux I believe Jul 28 02:32:16 for NAND uboot, yes Jul 28 02:32:29 i'm glad this all makes sense :p Jul 28 02:32:34 heh Jul 28 02:32:35 nor uboot is aux then power Jul 28 02:32:45 are fixes and other goodies for ASU being backported to 2007.2 if they're compatible? something like LED indicators should be backwards compatible... Jul 28 02:32:56 and is NAND uboot updated via opkg or should it be flashed at somewhat regular intervals? Jul 28 02:33:02 whats so hard about getting it right the first time without ever knowing! DAMNIT! Jul 28 02:33:22 kd8ikt: lol Jul 28 02:33:26 Toaster`: i think you treat uboot like motherboard BIOS. if it works, dont upgrade Jul 28 02:33:40 is there any way to get rid of the clock entirely on the today screen? if I have the panel clock, I have no need of it... Jul 28 02:33:48 Yanroy: yup Jul 28 02:33:53 i know a few friends that broke mobo's doing bios upgrades that failed Jul 28 02:34:07 dbus-launch gconftool-2 -t bool -s /desktop/poky/interface/reduced true Jul 28 02:34:19 nullpuppy: won't that get rid of the icons on the top too? Jul 28 02:34:29 donomo: If it ain't broke, I haven't been playing with it hard enough :D But you have a valid point. Jul 28 02:34:35 Yanroy: maybe? Jul 28 02:34:45 * nullpuppy looks at screenshot Jul 28 02:34:48 nullpuppy: the wiki would seem to suggest that it does Jul 28 02:35:01 nullpuppy: which is why I didn't try it and asked instead :) Jul 28 02:35:02 ah, yes, hmm Jul 28 02:35:07 :) Jul 28 02:36:00 i think i need to reinstall ubuntu Jul 28 02:36:09 she's gotten dirty Jul 28 02:36:13 so opkg upgrade actually upgrades the kernel too Jul 28 02:36:26 thinkso Jul 28 02:36:29 but you can flash it individually as a separate portion mainly to save it Jul 28 02:36:32 tkep: yup. i don't believe it does anything about uboot though Jul 28 02:36:50 well, i assume so since the latest update killed my freerunner, but i flashed just the kernel and i'm rolling again Jul 28 02:37:00 all this info needs to be on the site Jul 28 02:37:03 hehe Jul 28 02:37:06 yup Jul 28 02:37:06 easy to find too Jul 28 02:37:08 lol Jul 28 02:37:24 we need to start a grassroots effort to rewrite the damn wiki Jul 28 02:37:30 ... Jul 28 02:37:32 :) Jul 28 02:37:36 i think Chocky started rewriting the usb networking stuff Jul 28 02:38:11 nullpuppy, i've been harping about it since i got in here. i started another wiki aimed at the end user (like me), but it seems most people think the current wiki can be saved Jul 28 02:38:20 so i'm willing to put my efforts where i can Jul 28 02:38:27 hehe Jul 28 02:38:52 yeah the openmoko wiki needs to be nuked from orbit Jul 28 02:39:04 make some backups and start over Jul 28 02:39:14 tkep: if you have another wiki already setup, perhaps we could use that as a testbed so to speak Jul 28 02:39:42 install slackware;) Jul 28 02:43:40 do we just fix this keyboard or install that mathbox 1 Jul 28 02:45:21 matchbox* Jul 28 02:45:22 linuxxr, i like the matchbox one, but as i say on my site, you need ballpoint pens for fingers or a stylus to use it Jul 28 02:45:33 which sucks, but will be nice Jul 28 02:45:45 the FSU build has a great input method from my understanding Jul 28 02:45:54 i'd like to see something like it or the iphone's interface implemented Jul 28 02:46:10 * tkep prefers to not use the stylus... Jul 28 02:46:15 yup Jul 28 02:46:19 bic Jul 28 02:46:31 lightweight Jul 28 02:46:52 i have big fingers anyways Jul 28 02:47:10 hahaha Jul 28 02:47:14 me too Jul 28 02:47:29 so its a stick anyway i look at it Jul 28 02:47:31 so i keep the multitap, but i wish for the FSU or iPhone input Jul 28 02:47:41 yeah, i guess so :( Jul 28 02:48:02 tkep: yes FSO image uses nice big buttons Jul 28 02:48:11 what's the difference between 2007.2 and FSO right now? Jul 28 02:48:12 Other then the data entry on the matchbox kbd, I do my inputs via fingers Jul 28 02:48:12 so u dont have the matchbox?/ Jul 28 02:48:46 my fingernail works pretty good Jul 28 02:49:00 i'm gonna keep growing out the pointy finger Jul 28 02:49:02 mmaestri, 2007.2 actually has other application support Jul 28 02:49:07 fsu is just a dialer Jul 28 02:49:09 iirc Jul 28 02:49:13 file it so its like a stylus Jul 28 02:50:14 but FSO does support gtk, python, etc? Jul 28 02:50:20 tkep: fso milestone1 does dialing only. ive heard the daily fso build does SMS etc Jul 28 02:52:19 awesome Jul 28 02:53:57 i havent tried connecting any usb devices to my phone yet Jul 28 02:54:12 need a special adapter Jul 28 02:54:25 pluss dont want to wire it backwards Jul 28 02:55:30 would be cool if the stylus light/laser was USB powered, batteries are already low Jul 28 02:56:48 rip out the sytlus part(lightgreen) and figure a way to dock it to the phone Jul 28 02:56:50 Don't use it so much then :) Jul 28 02:57:56 my cats are addicted to that little red dot Jul 28 02:58:11 heh me2 Jul 28 02:58:25 bought some catnip for her today aswell **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 28 02:59:56 2008