**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 30 02:59:56 2008 Jul 30 03:19:49 Marcel_M: where did you find /etc/capturehandset.state? Which image? Any pointer? Jul 30 03:21:59 i do opkgupgrade an it says downloading an upgrading all these.ipk files, yet at the end it lists all the files an says failed to download all these upgrades Jul 30 03:22:33 jOERG_rw: \/usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ ? Jul 30 03:22:39 jOERG_rw: it changed meanwile /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ Jul 30 03:22:45 kd8ikt: tx Jul 30 03:22:49 lol beat yaq to it Jul 30 03:22:54 hehe Jul 30 03:22:58 maybe my repositories configuried wrong? Jul 30 03:23:12 woulda been quicker but i just now looked back at the screen Jul 30 03:23:13 Marcel_M: which image? Jul 30 03:23:34 on a 2007.2 Jul 30 03:23:38 hey how do i kill the click sound in 2007 again? i forget thats file Jul 30 03:23:51 i got no capturehandset.state anywhere on my om2007.2 Jul 30 03:23:52 some startup session conf Jul 30 03:23:55 my /etc/version still says 2007 Jul 30 03:24:24 hmm /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ is empty ? Jul 30 03:24:33 ugh oh Jul 30 03:25:10 Marcel_M: there are 5 *.state in here, but no capturehandset.state Jul 30 03:25:25 linuxxr: if opkg upgrade fails it wont mark any package as installed, you probably just failed on one pkg Jul 30 03:26:07 anyway, will have a look to most recent image of om2007, probably sth has changed here Jul 30 03:26:31 jOERG_rw: mom ill take a look if i got some on my rep Jul 30 03:26:52 toss it over - would appreciate :-) Jul 30 03:27:08 http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/alsa_state_files-working.tar.gz Jul 30 03:27:27 not the newest ones but Jul 30 03:27:49 http://pastebin.com/mc30d311 Jul 30 03:27:52 jOERG_rw: try http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/browser/trunk/src/target/audio/om-gta02/capturehandset.state Jul 30 03:28:05 --^ my current capture state Jul 30 03:28:59 there are entirely too many snd devices Jul 30 03:29:20 that shit needs to be compressed/reworked bigtime Jul 30 03:30:24 lol: 13 days zecke: Add capturehandset.state courtsey Christian Kuester thanks a lot everybody! :-) Jul 30 03:31:02 :) Jul 30 03:32:51 oh shit i accidently installed enlightenment Jul 30 03:33:54 :-D Jul 30 03:33:58 that's bad Jul 30 03:36:25 thanks Jul 30 03:42:17 last good working asu? or anyone mind telling me how input methods work (or dont work) in latest build? -__- Jul 30 03:42:36 so right. Jul 30 03:42:41 i just got my freerunner in the mail Jul 30 03:43:06 i'm wondering both the easiest way to connect to my open wifi, and the easiest way to install the media player Jul 30 03:44:07 rooly: use terminal, or just use usb cable and do it via ssh Jul 30 03:44:32 right Jul 30 03:45:44 i'm just wondering why there isn't a wifi-configurator out of the box Jul 30 03:45:56 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner Jul 30 03:48:17 * kgoetz finds the lack of "special keys" quite limiting in using the terminal ( no tab, no / ) Jul 30 03:48:37 kgoetz: you can fix that Jul 30 03:49:55 Note that step won't help much if you don't have connectivity above. DNS is configured in /etc/resolv.conf. It should contain: Jul 30 03:49:56 nameserver 192.168.0.200 Jul 30 03:50:12 torindel: ill probably try after i've updated the image to something newer - i'm hoping most of the bugs i'v found are a result of an old image Jul 30 03:50:26 is this to be done on the desktop or ssh on freerunner? Jul 30 03:50:42 question.. where can i adjust the display timeout so that the brightness dims in less time on 2007.2? Jul 30 03:55:03 linuxxr: cp the nameserver from your /etc/resolv.conf from the desktop to /etc/network/interfaces on the fr Jul 30 03:55:18 i try Jul 30 03:55:47 its a public ip an theres 3 of them Jul 30 03:56:08 use the first one Jul 30 03:57:46 if you put it in /etc/network/interfaces it will survive a reboot Jul 30 04:00:49 gotta admit i love how i can survive without a stylus on fso Jul 30 04:02:22 * kd8ikt found a build from yesterday and i wuv it Jul 30 04:02:28 kd8ikt: do u know if this is up to date regarding FSO? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions Jul 30 04:02:55 i.e. no gprs/pppd and sms Jul 30 04:03:11 do all gsm phones store contacts on the sim? i'm starting to wonder if my contacts are really on there or not. Jul 30 04:03:16 i think sms is sorta working gps i can get running Jul 30 04:03:34 hmm Jul 30 04:03:45 most phones you have to speciffically tell save to sim or phone mem Jul 30 04:04:01 atleast all the ones i've had Jul 30 04:04:32 hmm, i'll have to put the sim back in and check the settings then. i don't remember ever seeing a setting for that though. it's an LG CU500 Jul 30 04:05:17 actually no i dont think sms on fso works Jul 30 04:05:31 i wonder how much room there is left for improvement on boot times Jul 30 04:05:55 its missing a few menu items still, i mean the buttons are there they just dont do anything Jul 30 04:07:46 has anyone figured out why screen taps don't register half the time? Jul 30 04:08:43 your not clicking the right area? Jul 30 04:12:52 i'm clicking on a huge menu that is hard to miss, even if i clicked the wrong thing, something should happen. it makes the tap noise, but the menu item does not get activated Jul 30 04:13:06 kd8ikt: you're on milestone1? Jul 30 04:13:18 nah Jul 30 04:13:26 lates 29 build Jul 30 04:13:36 was new this morning ;) Jul 30 04:14:08 agh, well, my old phone apparently only stores contact info in it's internal memory. it lets me see that there are 57 contacts in there, but no way I can find to put them on the sim card Jul 30 04:15:00 i want to know about writing new contacts to the sim cause sofar i dont think the moko does/can yet Jul 30 04:15:51 oh, i figured it out, i guess I have to send each contact to the sim individually Jul 30 04:16:55 heh i hope you dont have a lot Jul 30 04:17:31 hmm Jul 30 04:17:44 i'm following the usb-networking on the wiki, but it seems to be refusing to work Jul 30 04:18:05 heh yell at chicky its his bastard lovechild ;) Jul 30 04:18:29 won't even respond to pings Jul 30 04:18:40 beh update on sd card ate my normal kernel -__-; Jul 30 04:18:51 ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.248 ; ssh root@192.168.0.202 ;#doesnt work for you? Jul 30 04:19:20 cause it shoudl Jul 30 04:19:48 ^--- is all the usbnet crap i ever do Jul 30 04:20:04 not working Jul 30 04:20:14 phone shows usb icon Jul 30 04:20:34 does you pc say something about no usb dev? Jul 30 04:20:36 rooly, is the host linux? Jul 30 04:20:40 yeah Jul 30 04:20:41 ubuntu Jul 30 04:20:43 heh Jul 30 04:20:54 ifconfig usb0 says no dev? Jul 30 04:21:00 ifconfig returns no errors Jul 30 04:21:02 did u sudo the networking commands on 'buntu? Jul 30 04:21:06 yes Jul 30 04:21:12 several times now Jul 30 04:21:22 what does ifconfig usb0 how? Jul 30 04:21:27 show* Jul 30 04:21:37 anything? Jul 30 04:21:37 * kd8ikt is a ubuntu users aslwell Jul 30 04:21:55 http://irrlichtirc.g0dsoft.com/paste/130 Jul 30 04:22:15 do this... unplus the cord to the FR, plug it back in and rerun the commands on the host machine Jul 30 04:22:15 ssh 192.168.0.202 Jul 30 04:22:22 unplus/unplug* Jul 30 04:22:32 done that several times already, swc|666 Jul 30 04:22:47 sure you got the moko's ip correct? Jul 30 04:23:26 i'd say there is a typo somewhere Jul 30 04:23:28 unfortunately, yes i'm sure Jul 30 04:24:16 http://irrlichtirc.g0dsoft.com/paste/131 Jul 30 04:25:33 love how htop and nano are on FSO Jul 30 04:25:52 rooly... make this a shell script Jul 30 04:25:59 http://pastebin.ca/1086778 Jul 30 04:26:09 change eth1 to your nic Jul 30 04:26:15 Huzzah! I've solved the great missing contact mystery of 08! Jul 30 04:26:38 chmod it and run as sudo... u should be fine then Jul 30 04:26:45 silly me, assumed it was a bug with openmoko Jul 30 04:28:18 ... Jul 30 04:28:20 seriously Jul 30 04:28:22 what the fsck Jul 30 04:28:26 now all I need is a way to set volume without ssh'ing into my phone Jul 30 04:28:26 still not working Jul 30 04:28:37 maybe my image is just too damned old Jul 30 04:28:46 2007.2 image? Jul 30 04:28:49 it's the 0424 image that comes default on the phone Jul 30 04:28:53 20080424 Jul 30 04:29:00 hmm Jul 30 04:29:27 rooly, did you sudo ifdown usb0 && sudo ifup usb0 Jul 30 04:29:59 afk Jul 30 04:30:02 well, i've just done that Jul 30 04:30:13 and goddamit, still no luck Jul 30 04:30:17 nah rooly image is fine Jul 30 04:30:40 i just wish the wifi would connect to my network Jul 30 04:30:45 then there wouldn't be a problem Jul 30 04:30:57 cause i could upgrade easily Jul 30 04:32:51 lets hope not roooly Jul 30 04:33:15 hmm, is the fso image worth it? Jul 30 04:34:27 hmm, qtopia reads my contacts from SIM, but not 2007.2 Jul 30 04:35:05 and won't regsiter either Jul 30 04:44:07 hmm, when the phone "locks" for power saving, any usb ssh session gets interrupted. seems like it should wait till this is done Jul 30 04:46:49 peepsalot: 2007.2 is more like "read part of" Jul 30 04:47:06 * rooly is installing 20080715 Jul 30 04:48:01 torindel, what do you mean "read part of"? Jul 30 04:49:00 ... yeah i have to admit that confuses me aswell Jul 30 04:49:17 peepsalot: on my sim it reads about half of my orginal contacts Jul 30 04:49:34 on other sims from all to none Jul 30 04:49:39 that's weird Jul 30 04:50:06 althroo i checked only on 3 sims total Jul 30 04:50:06 how manny contacts do you have? Jul 30 04:50:17 not that much Jul 30 04:50:24 maybe 50 Jul 30 04:50:29 i havent had problems ever but i only have like 10 Jul 30 04:50:38 that a lot of contacts Jul 30 04:51:27 is there a config file for telling the 2007.2 clock what timezone to display? Jul 30 04:52:41 peepsalot: yep read wiki Jul 30 04:53:14 i am reading the wiki Jul 30 04:53:39 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Timezone Jul 30 04:53:54 ~timezone Jul 30 04:53:55 methinks timezone is "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/ /etc/localtime", or tzconfig Jul 30 04:54:28 ~fso Jul 30 04:54:29 somebody said fso was the freesmartphone.org software release. It includes the backbone software for the phone hardware (and some other things) and a working dialer, and not much else. Jul 30 04:59:16 thanks kd8ikt, torindel, I got it Jul 30 05:07:29 any ideas how to go to 12hr mode. i swear i search the wiki Jul 30 05:07:36 *searched* Jul 30 05:08:17 peepsalot: rm /etc/ohm/inhibit-idle-suspend Jul 30 05:08:26 peepsalot: depends what build you're on, though Jul 30 05:08:49 cjb, what's that do? Jul 30 05:09:09 starts automatic power management Jul 30 05:09:27 d'oh! Jul 30 05:09:29 I thought this was #olpc Jul 30 05:09:30 haha Jul 30 05:09:40 * cjb fail Jul 30 05:09:44 i want one of those lil machiens Jul 30 05:13:44 wow there are a bunch on ebay Jul 30 05:14:16 i'm sure i could dream up a couple usefull things for a bunch of em Jul 30 05:14:22 * kgoetz prefers the FR, even if it is buggy as hell. Jul 30 05:24:51 Does anyone know if with the 2007.2 stack there is a way to recalibrate the touchscreen? I have tried xtscal, but I get the message "XCALIBRATE extension missing: Success" and nothing else happens... Jul 30 05:26:25 seriously has anyone tried a BT headset on this thing? I can see the HS through the FR. but the wiki has under bluetooth lots of ways to hook up to lots of things, but not BT and under Headset it's basically nothing, anyone know where the actual how to connect is? Jul 30 05:26:39 nup Jul 30 05:26:46 dont even own a bt headset Jul 30 05:26:51 actually Jul 30 05:26:56 dont even make phonecalls on it Jul 30 05:27:38 I make call on it now I'm trying to make Clear calls on it Jul 30 05:28:19 tried a plugin head set nothing Jul 30 05:29:03 raster: you need the retro bt handset Jul 30 05:30:40 ljp: i'd need to have my FR actually do something othr than be reflashed every few hours Jul 30 05:30:41 :) Jul 30 05:30:57 mine stays unflashed over night Jul 30 05:31:09 or if I am working on other devices Jul 30 05:32:14 blashpemy! other devices! :):):) Jul 30 05:32:29 railer: Dave (aka DaveLab) said that he got a BT headset to work, but he hasn't put details of his configuration onto the wiki yet. Jul 30 05:33:39 ok i'll beat it out of him tomorrow Jul 30 05:34:17 railer: what BT headset do you have ? Jul 30 05:34:48 Please do - I also want to know how to get headset audio working :) Jul 30 05:34:56 motorola not sure what type Jul 30 05:35:04 hmm Jul 30 05:35:21 can someone remember what timezone SRCDATES are in for bitbake? Jul 30 05:35:23 GMT? Jul 30 05:35:25 mmontour : headset is not working , heh ? Jul 30 05:35:41 i think of buying Plantronics Pulsar 260 BT Jul 30 05:35:51 H300 Motorla Jul 30 05:35:53 stereo Jul 30 05:36:04 raster: the best ones are the secret ones I cannot mention :) Jul 30 05:36:07 I tried to get a Plantronics 220 working but I didn't succeed. It paired, but I never got audio through it Jul 30 05:36:16 Is there a place to order from in the US right now? The place I found via the home page under US is actually in Canadian dollars Jul 30 05:36:33 ljp: hehehhe Jul 30 05:36:46 hmm , i assume if one BT headset works , most of them should also work Jul 30 05:37:15 I'm sure they work but how to connect Jul 30 05:37:35 i do not have FR yet to try :/ Jul 30 05:38:00 I don't have a FR either, just a Neo1973 Jul 30 05:38:22 well I wanted 3 thing phone, sms, and wifi, got 2 out of 3 Jul 30 05:38:35 but remember that i have problem to connect my treo to laptop via blootooth , but finally did it Jul 30 05:39:08 well lots of info on connecting a laptop, but nothing on connections a headset Jul 30 05:39:09 how can i get / and _ and : (slash and underscore and colon) onto the keyboard? i cant change any network settings without them :( Jul 30 05:39:14 railer : i expect much more from FR :)) Jul 30 05:39:29 300 thinngs Jul 30 05:39:57 railer: which of those 3 is not working then? Jul 30 05:40:07 is there any way we can use a secure channel for bluetooth? Jul 30 05:40:10 I was hoping for a least a phone, expect to be very disappointed Jul 30 05:40:13 kgoetz: that is on the wiki ... Jul 30 05:40:29 rather than let anyone connect to anyone? Jul 30 05:40:44 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards Jul 30 05:40:48 Rigolo: ok, i'll look again Jul 30 05:40:51 the one of 3? A phone that doesn't sound like garbage Jul 30 05:40:52 Rigolo: ah, thank you Jul 30 05:40:55 fix for the missing keys Jul 30 05:41:27 railer: I only had complaints about the volume .. changing the MIC setting to 1 (2 and 3 where too loud) solved that) Jul 30 05:42:04 talked for 30 mins on the FR yesterday ... no problems at all .. no complaints Jul 30 05:42:34 well I can try that, everyone tells me it echoie and sometime muffles Jul 30 05:42:51 and it's 100% of the calls Jul 30 05:43:13 setting on 2 or 3 caused echo's on the receiving side I was told ... with 1 not Jul 30 05:43:23 ok I'll try that Jul 30 05:43:37 Rigolo: hm. i might have to leave it for after i get home on a network that doesnt use 192./* when i can do it by ssh Jul 30 05:44:24 kgoetz: that is a real chicken/egg problem ... adding MISSING keys via the keyboard that is missing them :-) Jul 30 05:44:38 you have the command handy? Jul 30 05:44:39 Rigolo: yeah, its a bit mean :) Jul 30 05:45:25 kgoetz: but you can not ssh where you are now? you do not have to setup routing etc ... just keep usb0 seperate from eth0 Jul 30 05:45:57 just make sure that 202 goes to usb0 ... (unless that IP is used by some very important other server :-) Jul 30 05:46:41 Rigolo: i'm on a work network, and 192.168/16 is used by the company. i dont think i could get packets goin to the phone while keeping my sanity Jul 30 05:47:24 why not? just tell route that anything destined for 192.168.0.202 should go to usb0 .. and it should work I think Jul 30 05:47:44 linux or windows at work? Jul 30 05:48:10 linux, debian. *pulls out the route man page, and goes to check he has usb networking in his kernel* Jul 30 05:48:24 that;s the spirit :-) Jul 30 05:48:45 :) Jul 30 05:48:55 * kgoetz hopes The Boss doesnt come over and tell him to do work Jul 30 05:49:02 Rigolo you changed the usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state Mic2 right? Jul 30 05:49:11 kgoetz: I think most of what you need is mentoned in the USB networking wiki page Jul 30 05:49:22 railer: yep .. but not to 3 as mentioned on the wiki Jul 30 05:49:43 Rigolo: i have tha topen, so i'll keep working my way through Jul 30 05:49:48 ok changed to 1 Jul 30 05:50:06 cool .. kgoetz works with Bruce Springsteen :-) Jul 30 05:51:38 how do I debug the boot process? my FreeRunner has been working today and last night, but now it doesn't get past the initial OpenMoko boot logo Jul 30 05:51:41 hehe Jul 30 05:51:46 heh http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Kd8ikt#Rave_shell_script Jul 30 05:52:00 pabs3: hey mate Jul 30 05:52:04 pabs3: I guess you did a opkg update/upgrade right? Jul 30 05:52:29 Rigolo: just update, no upgrade Jul 30 05:52:55 pabs3: did you install any new kernel stuff via opkg ? Jul 30 05:53:03 definitely not Jul 30 05:53:45 pabs3: can you still ssh into the phone? or is that also broken? Jul 30 05:54:32 it was working before - went for a walk with the gps, when I got back I was trying to get usbnet going, the screen went blank and starting it up didn't get past the boot screen. Jul 30 05:54:34 pabs3: we had some people here (including me) that had a broken phone after doing a opkg update and then opkg upgrade on a fresh 2007.02 image (July 22th) Jul 30 05:54:54 tried removing the battery, replacing, no luck Jul 30 05:55:19 and if you go into the uboot menu en manually select boot from there? Jul 30 05:55:27 pabs3: try re-flashing the kernel anyway (with dfu-util). If that doesn't work, try going into the NAND u-boot menu and selecting "boot" from there Jul 30 05:57:13 is this how to get the uboot menu? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#Bootloader_prompt Jul 30 05:57:24 * kgoetz convinces the bos to help out (i only have usb1.1 on this laptop, seems you need usb) Jul 30 05:58:22 kgoetz: mm the usb on the FR is usb 1.1 only as far as I can tell Jul 30 05:59:19 Start with the on-screen u-boot menu (hold power button, then press+hold aux button until the device turns on) Jul 30 06:00:47 hmm, the boot item does "Starting kernel" and then nothing Jul 30 06:02:17 reflash time I guess Jul 30 06:02:31 pabs3: then only reflash the kernel ... Jul 30 06:03:54 is there a howto for that? Jul 30 06:04:05 heh cool Jul 30 06:04:06 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Kd8ikt#Rave_shell_script Jul 30 06:04:10 i fixed it it works Jul 30 06:04:29 all my lights are randomly blinking Jul 30 06:04:33 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner Jul 30 06:04:39 kd8ikt: lol Jul 30 06:04:40 pabs: onthe wiki :-) Jul 30 06:04:51 kd8ikt: what lights? Jul 30 06:04:54 thanks Jul 30 06:04:58 power / aux Jul 30 06:05:09 power has 2 lights but in combo produce 3 colors Jul 30 06:05:23 kd8ikt: oo they have lights? never saw that :-) Jul 30 06:05:31 try my script Jul 30 06:05:34 heh Jul 30 06:05:40 oh btw you need to install bash Jul 30 06:05:51 uses bash's $RANDOM Jul 30 06:06:23 ash (the main openmoko installed shell) doesnt have that Jul 30 06:06:43 ok now i'm going to ad the vibrator Jul 30 06:07:38 Rigolo did the change I'm not louder (had to go to 3) but still static in the background any thoughts? Jul 30 06:07:57 whats the max range of the vibrator? like 250 or somethin? Jul 30 06:08:50 not = now Jul 30 06:10:22 this could turn out to be the ultimate silent ringer Jul 30 06:10:52 Something bad has changed with kernel or dialer. Calls worked fine for me until tonight, two lasted less than 30 seconds than hungup Jul 30 06:11:29 the only calls that hung up on my before today were if I was on a call, and had another incoming call it'd hang up on my existing one Jul 30 06:13:28 * Yashy noted kd8ikt is using tags in HTML? :( Jul 30 06:14:07 Rigolo: reflashing with uImage-2.6.24+git20080424-om-gta02.bin didn't seem to help Jul 30 06:14:57 pabs3: still a kernel error? or other errors? Jul 30 06:15:06 7/27 kernel works Jul 30 06:15:44 no error, kernel just doesn't start Jul 30 06:16:04 pabs3: and what image where you using? the standard release image? or a daily build image? Jul 30 06:16:29 kd8ikt: silent ? :-) Jul 30 06:16:43 just got it yesterday, haven't done anything except installing gps stuff Jul 30 06:17:47 today's kernel image was borked, use 7/27 Jul 30 06:17:55 pabs3: that I would suggest flashing a new complete new image from the daily builds ..... but no garantuee about the stability :-) Jul 30 06:18:19 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080727/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin Jul 30 06:18:44 should I flash the rootfs too? Jul 30 06:18:45 Yashy: he is/was still on stable release ... so his rootfs can not handle the latest kernel Jul 30 06:19:29 pabs3: kernel and rootfs (or at least the modules) should match ... so preferably you should flash both Jul 30 06:20:02 I'd try just the kernel Jul 30 06:20:05 pabs3: but .. that means you loose anything that you have done so far on it ... (but you can not get to it right now anyway) Jul 30 06:20:09 if that didn't work, then also the rootfs :) Jul 30 06:20:31 Yashy: well and then i would pick a daily build ..... Jul 30 06:20:55 Rigolo: I pointed him to yesterday's? Jul 30 06:21:08 Yashy: flashing it with that kernel seems to have worked, thanks :D Jul 30 06:21:17 no worries :) Jul 30 06:21:25 I had the same issue this morning :) Jul 30 06:21:49 pabs3: then i do think that opkg update/upgrade did something ... like it did for most people Jul 30 06:21:51 pabs: http://hackepedia.org/?title=Neo_freerunner you might find this handy Jul 30 06:22:00 hmm, ok Jul 30 06:22:16 Rigolo: yeah, I did an upgrade which hosed my phone, not a flash Jul 30 06:22:48 * pabs3 detects need for automated testing Jul 30 06:22:56 pabs: It's a list of things I do when my phone goes dead :) Jul 30 06:23:11 yeah, I'm not far from scripting the whole thing Jul 30 06:23:37 Yashy: yes, that happened to lots of people .... and yesterday we found out that a kernel flash solves it (but you need to pick the right kernel :-) Jul 30 06:24:15 argh, eth0 and usb0 fighting! Jul 30 06:24:40 yes, only one default gw :) Jul 30 06:24:42 * Rigolo sees that karadzic is in scheveningen (the hague) Jul 30 06:26:05 Yashy: killing network-manager helped Jul 30 06:27:28 wifi (eth0) should probably be on a different subnet than usb0 Jul 30 06:27:56 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r4d56ad1f155e 10/odeviced/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Add idlenotifier plugin to the Makefile Jul 30 06:27:56 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r245d03c0181f 10/odeviced/src/plugins/idlenotifier/ (Makefile.am idlenotifier.plugin idlenotifier.vala): initial idlenotifier plugin commit Jul 30 06:28:08 I wrote two scripts I keep on /media/card that I put in /bin/ that do ifdown of one && if up of the other Jul 30 06:28:52 yup the upgrade borkrd me phone Jul 30 06:29:09 linuxxr: welcome to the club :-) Jul 30 06:29:11 * kgoetz hums. not sure this uprade has gone well Jul 30 06:29:11 ./topic don't upgrade until tomorrow (maybe) :) Jul 30 06:29:19 ieatlint: Jul 30 06:29:38 Yashy: well .. this is happening for more then one day ... already for 3 I guess Jul 30 06:29:41 blorg tangoGPS logs to /tmp by default, st00pid Jul 30 06:29:58 and it is a bug in the opkg kernel flash script or something Jul 30 06:30:02 * kd8ikt has it in /mnt/card/gpsmaps Jul 30 06:30:56 so how to unborked it? Jul 30 06:31:14 linuxxr: flash the july 27th kernel from daily builds Jul 30 06:31:34 linuxxr: at least ... if it is the same problem :-) Jul 30 06:32:29 linuxxr: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080727/ Jul 30 06:33:01 http://hackepedia.org/?title=Neo_freerunner#Flashing just flash the kernel initially, should work if it's the same issue Jul 30 06:36:16 well I'm board, I'm flashing mind to qutopia Jul 30 06:36:55 are the linux patches being sent upstream? /me would like to try other distros on this too at some point Jul 30 06:37:38 pabs3: debian seems to run "fine" on the FR .... although not sure if you can make calls from a debian install Jul 30 06:38:19 prob just a matter of packaging the gsm stuff Jul 30 06:41:16 so this FSO thing is the 'way of the future' for OpenMoko phones? Jul 30 06:42:15 depends who you talk to :-) Jul 30 06:42:29 pabs: try each and make your own decision :) Jul 30 06:42:39 heh, ok Jul 30 06:43:10 most likely it will be one of the possible directions ... and the SHR (stable Hybrid Release) might join them all together one day (or not) Jul 30 06:43:25 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions comparison, but not sure how accurate anything on this wiki is Jul 30 06:44:03 Neither debian nor SHR appear to have telephony yet FWIW Jul 30 06:44:12 are there any daily builds for FSO? Jul 30 06:44:15 where is most of the development going on? Jul 30 06:44:26 SHR does not exist in bits yet .. as far as I know Jul 30 06:44:55 Rigolo: http://trac.freesmartphone.org:8000/trac-example perhaps Jul 30 06:45:10 pabs3: You'd have to track 'em all? ASU perhaps? Jul 30 06:45:47 hmm, ok. I'm thinking about which bits to package for Debian, and where to get them from Jul 30 06:45:56 Yashy: just a default page with not much on it ... Jul 30 06:46:21 pabs3: ecraven that hangs around here sometimes only runs debian on his FR ... Jul 30 06:47:21 anybody here got issues with writing lots of data to SD-card, like rootfs (want to SD-card instead of nand) Jul 30 06:47:37 there will be a meeting at debconf about Debian on the FR, if anyone happens to be in Argentina next week or the week after Jul 30 06:47:57 My card always ends up with I/O error, and when they first appear, they stick (and grahics in X then bugs a bit) Jul 30 06:49:16 pabs3: I hope to be there for http://ba-con.com.ar/ not much after Jul 30 06:49:18 (can probably write about 40-50 MB) Jul 30 06:52:07 wow, dropbear is dumb, kills child ssh processes when it is Jul 30 06:52:13 restarted Jul 30 06:52:45 if that is dumb or not is a definition Jul 30 06:53:17 opkg upgrade is usually smartest to run within a screen Jul 30 06:53:19 sigh. *stabs opkg for semi-bricking his FR* Jul 30 06:54:10 kgoetz: now you know why I always do a opkg -test upgrade first .... Jul 30 06:54:37 (maybe because of my gentoo years .... never upgrade without looking) Jul 30 06:55:08 Rigolo: i guess i was thinking of this as a 'stable' image. Jul 30 06:55:49 kgoetz: even on stable ... I had apt-get upgrade break "stable" ubuntu 8.04 :-) Jul 30 06:56:32 Rigolo: i've never had 'apt-get update' break stable running debian 4.0 :) Jul 30 06:56:37 Yashy: debcamp/debconf is august 3 to 19 or so, so you'll prob miss deconf unless you have left already Jul 30 06:57:36 helloes! Jul 30 06:57:47 any more 850's in the store yet? Jul 30 07:03:20 morning Jul 30 07:03:48 pabs: I spoke at the one in Peru a few years ago :) Jul 30 07:03:56 and there is the debian on FR expert :-) Jul 30 07:04:03 It's a great event, I'll make it if I can. Jul 30 07:04:09 cool :D Jul 30 07:06:50 hehe, i'd not go that far Jul 30 07:09:49 coming to debconf ecraven? Jul 30 07:09:55 probably not, where is it? Jul 30 07:10:23 Mar del Plata, Argentina Jul 30 07:11:29 hehe, also, i'm not a debian developer, i used debian for years, but switched to arch linux some time ago. still my favorite system, but i never learned to build my own packages, so i was stuck with not-too-recent versions of everything. also i like the way arch linux handles /etc more. (much simpler, great for one-man-machines, probably not so good for big servers) Jul 30 07:11:42 pabs3: that's a bit too far away ;( Jul 30 07:12:05 ah, ok Jul 30 07:12:30 * pabs3 stops with the OT stuff :) Jul 30 07:12:58 qtopia here I come Jul 30 07:13:22 ;) Jul 30 07:14:46 FSO is another os right how many are there now? Jul 30 07:14:58 no, they are all based on angström gnu/linux Jul 30 07:15:19 but the graphical frontend differs (and FSO has different servers for the hardware too) Jul 30 07:15:30 what do you call them then? FLashes? Front Ends? Jul 30 07:15:47 distributions :-) Jul 30 07:16:02 ok so how many distros? Jul 30 07:16:19 4 to 100 .. depending on how you count I was told Jul 30 07:16:36 lol oh lovely Jul 30 07:17:08 2007.02 and ASU as the main ones at the moment ... FSO in the making .. then the default Qtopia one Jul 30 07:17:26 SHR in words not bits, and debian ofcourse :-) Jul 30 07:17:47 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions Jul 30 07:18:01 thats right I forgot about the page Jul 30 07:18:10 and then what ever else is out there .... Jul 30 07:19:04 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * raef1ebc6493c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: up efl srcdate to get python-ecore api adds. Jul 30 07:19:05 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r51006524ade8 10/ (7 files in 5 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev Jul 30 07:19:05 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7bdfdc96de7d 10/ (26 files in 8 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev Jul 30 07:19:06 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r6dbd3aec0f5a 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): new efl and illume versions - internal kbd now config option. code default is Jul 30 07:19:52 * pabs3 lols at boot image Jul 30 07:20:31 it is a real boot image :-) Jul 30 07:21:13 hi, after two or three restart my FreeRunner does not boot anymore until I reflash. Is this known somewhere? Jul 30 07:21:52 eckhard: and you do nothing in between those restarts? (like opkg update/upgrade?) Jul 30 07:22:59 oh yes - I did an update/upgrade but I do nt expect this leaving me with an unbootable device Jul 30 07:23:23 eckhard: it does .... flashing the kernel from opkg breaks at the moment Jul 30 07:24:00 eckhard: try to flash only the kernel image of the 27th ... (if you are using a devel rootfs at least) Jul 30 07:24:47 an a simple "opkg upgrade" breaks the system? I'll try flashing the kernel Jul 30 07:27:22 so does qtopia have it's own room? Jul 30 07:27:59 i need ab 8 gb sdcard Jul 30 07:28:19 i need a 16Tb SAN :-) Jul 30 07:28:32 okee .. 15 Tb is also fine Jul 30 07:29:21 i hope this does it Jul 30 07:34:00 haha, messages that can be seen on the screen when doing /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop are hilarious Jul 30 07:34:43 good morning Jul 30 07:36:38 you mean angstrom? Jul 30 07:37:52 i dont see whats funny about that Jul 30 07:39:05 nice boots Jul 30 07:39:10 kd8ikt: above that Jul 30 07:41:01 all i see are deamon's starting Jul 30 07:41:17 * pabs3 gets camera Jul 30 07:41:29 unless you put your own special echo's inthe /etc/init.d scripts Jul 30 07:41:37 camera? why not copy and past plain text? Jul 30 07:42:48 doesn't show up in ssh, only on phone screen Jul 30 07:43:23 pabs3: vtgrab to see what's on screen Jul 30 07:44:07 if I flash a new kernel do I also have to flash the modules? Jul 30 07:44:16 no Jul 30 07:45:49 depends, if you flash a newer kernel, it might not work with the old modules Jul 30 07:46:58 eckhard: not to solve your opkg upgrade problem Jul 30 07:48:30 if you flash the same kernel again, you don't need to touch the modules Jul 30 07:50:10 'morning Jul 30 07:50:24 http://imagebin.ca.tbcdn.com/img/c-eliPn.jpg Jul 30 07:51:11 spank spank Jul 30 07:51:59 hhthats a python error Jul 30 07:52:12 some script you've been clicking doesnt work right? Jul 30 07:53:15 pabs3: server not found Jul 30 07:53:22 * kgoetz always feels uneasy with failing .sig files Jul 30 07:53:42 eckhard: jsut reload ... dns is slow I think .. had same problem here Jul 30 07:54:46 ahoi Jul 30 07:55:30 lol Jul 30 07:55:39 raster: btw, is the bug where the /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop doesn't work known? looks like the scripts are not expecting busybox ps Jul 30 07:56:11 no idea Jul 30 07:56:16 never tried to stop my x Jul 30 07:56:25 (well if i want ti dead.. i kill my xserver) Jul 30 07:56:43 raster: is anyone working on Xglamo? Jul 30 07:58:00 not as such - no Jul 30 07:58:18 so the chances of the landscape touchscreen offset bug getting fixed are rather small? Jul 30 07:58:24 yup Jul 30 07:58:29 raster: and xglame is officially dropped? as ASU is running on fb? Jul 30 07:58:32 especially as it's not in ASU specs for it to work Jul 30 07:58:43 Bill_: no? it runs on x Jul 30 07:58:49 and thus xglamo Jul 30 07:58:49 so we can either use slow-as-hell Xfbdev, or buggy Xglamo? Jul 30 07:58:56 yeah.. xfb, not on xglamo Jul 30 07:58:57 yup Jul 30 07:59:08 xfb is going to be slower Jul 30 07:59:10 that is .. unfortunate :( Jul 30 07:59:13 raster: looks like all the /etc/init.d/functions, /etc/init.d/gpsd and /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm scripts all have that problem Jul 30 07:59:14 there is little point to use it Jul 30 07:59:20 it can do xrandr correctly Jul 30 07:59:34 i kinda liked asu but it was unusably slow.. Jul 30 07:59:45 pabs3: as such imhol the whole sysv inti thing needs to go and a radical new massively-minimalist boot needs to be dropped in Jul 30 07:59:59 ecraven: nothnig stopping it doing randr right - except patchjes Jul 30 08:00:04 as its not on the ASU feature list Jul 30 08:00:09 i am not going to invest time into it Jul 30 08:00:12 well that didn't take long to lock up qtopia Jul 30 08:00:13 well not right now Jul 30 08:01:03 raster: but does the landscape touchscreen problem not exits on ASU? Jul 30 08:01:06 raster: can you give me any hints where to look? Jul 30 08:01:14 qtopia or asu? Jul 30 08:01:27 it seems the ASU is only intended to run in portrait mode Jul 30 08:01:36 i mean in the Xglamo source code Jul 30 08:01:42 Rigolo: it does not exist - because rotating to landscape is not in the asu specifications Jul 30 08:01:46 there is no way for you to rotate Jul 30 08:01:49 other than via cmd-line Jul 30 08:02:09 raster: why not? rotation makes sence .... once in a while at least Jul 30 08:02:10 and so its not something to have time sunk into addressing Jul 30 08:02:16 dont look at me Jul 30 08:02:23 i am not making decisions Jul 30 08:02:29 * Rigolo looks at his screen only :-) Jul 30 08:02:49 the day asu gets a way to rotate the screen is the day it needs fixing Jul 30 08:02:52 Rigolo: while playing openttd for example :) or possibly when navigating with tango Jul 30 08:03:43 raster: is there anyone here on irc who knows the Xglamo sources? Jul 30 08:03:44 Bill_: openttd on the FR ... reaaaallllyyy small trains then :-) Jul 30 08:04:05 yup Jul 30 08:04:09 but i lik ethe idea :) Jul 30 08:04:14 i know them a bit Jul 30 08:04:24 ummm zecke does - a bit Jul 30 08:04:29 a few peole know them.. a bit Jul 30 08:04:33 xlgmao is just kdrive Jul 30 08:04:36 any idea whereabouts in the source code the rotation offset bug might be? Jul 30 08:04:38 with glamo accel back-end Jul 30 08:04:44 so just knowing kdrive will do the job Jul 30 08:04:52 i had a look at the xrandr parts, but i've never looked at xserver sources before Jul 30 08:04:53 no idea Jul 30 08:05:01 but in the input part most likely Jul 30 08:05:36 hi, i have a problem... after updating, using opkg, and then rebooting, the divice vill not start, can i fix this? and how? Jul 30 08:05:46 reflash your kernel Jul 30 08:05:53 anyone using utopia? Jul 30 08:05:54 u'll also find xrandr droppign to qvga ius also broken Jul 30 08:06:00 the screen mode is all screwed Jul 30 08:06:05 * Rigolo feels that we should put this on the wiki or something :-) Jul 30 08:06:07 so it needs more attention than just rotation Jul 30 08:06:18 raster: i'd be glad if rotation worked for one thing Jul 30 08:06:20 but as i said Jul 30 08:06:22 our focus in on asu Jul 30 08:06:26 and what it needs directly Jul 30 08:06:33 i understand, that's why i wanted to have a look myself Jul 30 08:06:35 and rotation and res changing is not on that list Jul 30 08:06:51 you guys all running ASU? Jul 30 08:06:53 personally i probably don't need a *lower* resolution Jul 30 08:06:53 so u mayaswel consider it an "unsupported feature" Jul 30 08:06:56 railer: i'm on debian Jul 30 08:06:59 imagine more like xrandr didnt exist Jul 30 08:06:59 :) Jul 30 08:07:23 railer: 2007.2 here Jul 30 08:07:33 raster: then we'd have to create it, wouldn't we ;) Jul 30 08:07:45 yup Jul 30 08:07:54 YOU being the operative wor here Jul 30 08:07:54 :) Jul 30 08:08:06 I'm just getting tired of this thing Jul 30 08:08:08 hehe, i know C, but i have *no* idea about how x servers work Jul 30 08:08:24 well, xlib i know, but nothing much else Jul 30 08:08:27 i know some... Jul 30 08:08:31 last i looked it seems the coord were simply not being rotated Jul 30 08:08:36 they were still being used as-is Jul 30 08:08:37 i think Jul 30 08:08:39 yes, that's what it seemed like Jul 30 08:08:51 last time tho, i looked and patched something was when radeon chips started emerging in thinkpads Jul 30 08:08:55 well, i'll have a look, may i ask you again for hints? just tell me if i'm bothering ;) Jul 30 08:09:04 sure Jul 30 08:09:14 but in the end i'd have to look into the src to help u more Jul 30 08:09:21 and then i may as well just find it and fix it Jul 30 08:09:25 need to run Jul 30 08:09:26 bbl Jul 30 08:09:42 * Zorkman also likes landschape Jul 30 08:10:11 when asked if i want to replace config files, should my answer be yes or no? or shouldnt it matter? Jul 30 08:10:39 kgoetz: depends ... if you have changed them yourself .. better check first Jul 30 08:11:04 Rigolo: i've re-imaged, and run upgrade Jul 30 08:11:09 railer: what were you doing when Qtopia locked up? is it reproducable? Jul 30 08:11:34 kgoetz: and what does it want to upgrade? Jul 30 08:11:53 /etc/pulse/default.pa Jul 30 08:12:10 and if it does the same as last time, another file which i cant remember Jul 30 08:12:32 kgoetz: did you do a -test first? Jul 30 08:12:50 Rigolo: yes, it only made some commnt aobut ncurses.so being in two packages Jul 30 08:13:18 and you fixed that first? (google for it .. there is a fix for it ) Jul 30 08:13:49 no i havent. i'm used to my package management system worrying about things like that :\ Jul 30 08:14:28 kgoetz: with the FR you need to worry a bit more ... it was an error .... Jul 30 08:14:39 Rigolo: ok. i'll go and worry for a bit Jul 30 08:15:53 thanx guys! Jul 30 08:22:40 how is ASU going now? 25% done? Jul 30 08:23:15 i think the official progress meter has 23.8% Jul 30 08:24:28 Rigolo: thanks, i've resolved it :) with a little help from the trac Jul 30 08:24:39 * kgoetz crosses his fingers, and reboots the device Jul 30 08:26:36 nup. no booties. guess i'll have to fix it when i get home. Jul 30 08:26:41 * kgoetz splits. later all Jul 30 08:28:59 yo Jul 30 08:30:24 Upgrading ncurses on root from 5.4-r14 to 5.4-r15... Jul 30 08:30:24 Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/ncurses_5.4-r15_armv4t.ipk Jul 30 08:30:27 Collected errors: * Package ncurses wants to install file /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 But that file is already provided by package * libncurses5 Jul 30 08:30:45 is this a problem? Jul 30 08:30:52 gego .. search trac. there is a ticket .. and sollotion Jul 30 08:31:01 sry.. Jul 30 08:31:24 no problem ... just pointing you where you can find the sollution Jul 30 08:33:39 what is the libncurses actually..? Jul 30 08:34:10 a library .. for ncurses ... Jul 30 08:34:31 ncurses is used for dialogs etc in text mode Jul 30 08:35:16 http://www.gnu.org/software/ncurses/ Jul 30 08:36:32 One quick question with a new flash there is a bin and a jffs2 where is the jffs2 for ASM? Jul 30 08:36:54 asu you mean .. that is the qtopia jffs2 file Jul 30 08:37:07 ah thank you Rigolo :) Jul 30 08:37:53 warning, that is only ASU like, its not the same as the real thing Jul 30 08:38:12 XorA: not? Jul 30 08:38:23 no Jul 30 08:38:35 so the bin from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080730/ which bin to use for ASU? Jul 30 08:38:37 what is different? Jul 30 08:39:08 Rigolo: no splinter in that image, it lags behind the ASU, and is probably buggier becuase its on the unstable branch Jul 30 08:39:23 railer: you do not need a bin for the rootfs ... Jul 30 08:39:24 for example at the moment I think it uses the FSO boot splash by accident Jul 30 08:39:57 XorA: okee .. so where can you get a "proper" ASU .. that does not lag behind ... only by building your self? Jul 30 08:40:11 I'm looking for the bin for the ASU kernel Jul 30 08:40:48 railer: kernels are the same .. for both Jul 30 08:40:48 Rigolo: yes Jul 30 08:41:05 * Rigolo feels that he needs to make a build enviroment ... Jul 30 08:41:26 XorA: and is the current ASU faster than those images on the buildhost? Jul 30 08:41:43 Rigolo: no idea, I just merge the branches every so often Jul 30 08:42:15 XorA: are you charge of the buildhost images then? Jul 30 08:43:14 Rigolo: yes Jul 30 08:43:29 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rc4e716c6845f 10/packages/linux/ (3 files): [linux-openmoko] fix bad merge that meant uImage didnt end up in kernel-image Jul 30 08:43:31 XorA: okee ... Jul 30 08:44:21 XorA: so the build host images are semi bleeding edge? so not the same as the latest svn builds? Jul 30 08:45:36 * Rigolo is away for a moment .... be right back ... Jul 30 08:46:08 Rigolo: buildhost is bleeding edge branch, ASU is totally different branch Jul 30 08:46:12 you dont flash asu do you? Jul 30 08:46:51 XorA: but is it possible to do daily builds for the latest ASU branch also? Jul 30 08:49:35 A small dumb question.. What is the uImage...? Is it the same as the u-boot..? Jul 30 08:49:42 uImage is the kernel Jul 30 08:49:47 and initrd Jul 30 08:49:56 uboot=bootloader Jul 30 08:51:01 oh, so when doing a opkg upgrade on the neo, it gets the uImage file..? or is that only when you want to flash the neo..? Jul 30 08:51:20 uImage in a zImage wrapped in some u-boot wrapper info Jul 30 08:54:03 XorA: So it's actually a kernel, that can boot without the u-boot, simply because it already contains the booting information..? Jul 30 08:54:24 Bubbi: no Jul 30 08:54:36 damn.. ;) just thought I had it figured out.. Jul 30 08:54:45 Bubbi: its a kernel with extra stuff u-boot want to read Jul 30 08:56:17 okay.. :) It makes enough sense, so we'll leave it at that.. I'm still just learning about Linux right now.. :D Jul 30 08:56:37 Hello i need help Jul 30 08:56:43 Bubbi: the uboot loads the kernel, then passes control to it Jul 30 08:57:04 then the kernel initializes itself, and loads a bunch of modules from the initrd, then it gives control to /bin/init (or something similar) Jul 30 08:57:08 i have a openmoko logo at begin but he don'nt start the kernel Jul 30 08:57:26 i can flash the fr but he don't start Jul 30 08:58:26 ecraven: Thank you :) It's always good to know how things work :) Jul 30 08:59:54 Bubbi: welcome ;) Jul 30 09:00:23 any1 knows whether webkit supports jpeg2k aka jpeg2000? Jul 30 09:00:46 today is July 20th, 5 days after the annouced date for the availability of FR in webstore, but nothing is on sale yet, there is not even an update to the page for a second deadline... we are left in the dark Jul 30 09:01:31 and readind here about all the people hacking their units and updating with new images doesn't help make it any easier on me :-) Jul 30 09:01:47 s/readind/reading Jul 30 09:02:50 ernst: you probably upgraded your kernel recently. you'll need to reflash the kernel with an older version (20080727 worked for me) Jul 30 09:03:12 ernst: I used http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080727/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin Jul 30 09:03:22 yo ah guys i did the opkg upgrade after getting my new freerunner and its not booting i think -- just has the openmoko splash-- what do i do now ? Jul 30 09:03:42 dbmoodb: reflash the kernel with http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080727/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin Jul 30 09:04:06 * pabs3 wonders if this should be in the topic Jul 30 09:04:06 um... how ? Jul 30 09:04:21 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner Jul 30 09:04:26 pabs3: it should be on the getting started thing Jul 30 09:04:49 um...... the thing is i don't have ssh or do i ? Jul 30 09:05:37 no need for ssh, just the dfu-util, see the wiki Jul 30 09:08:27 um dude i'm not being presented with the prompt to pick what i want to boot tho... Jul 30 09:09:00 re-read the wiki; hold AUX while holding down the power button Jul 30 09:09:35 bah Jul 30 09:10:00 bah? Jul 30 09:10:35 morning Jul 30 09:11:30 Linux - If it doesn't make your eyes bleed, would it really be Linux? Jul 30 09:13:13 that should be bolded rofl:) Jul 30 09:13:17 idiot proof Jul 30 09:13:21 lol @ all the fighting on the mailinglist Jul 30 09:13:24 pabs3: It's not very clearly stated on the wiki, for people not used to Linux. I'm one of them too, and I can say that it's not easy following the wiki, as it doesn't really explained everything :) Jul 30 09:13:47 Zorkman: What, where..? :) link please.. :P Jul 30 09:13:51 is that all i need to do --- update that ? Jul 30 09:13:57 communitylist Jul 30 09:14:07 jay vaugnan vs openmoko Jul 30 09:14:21 Marcus Bauer vs openmoko/sean Jul 30 09:14:40 the phone is beutiful tho :) Jul 30 09:14:55 doesn't seem a good sign though, they are really spending much effort on the freerunner Jul 30 09:15:08 yeah, jay vaugnan really have a lot of "hate" towards openmoko :D Jul 30 09:15:31 I like the phone too, but it's becomming more and more ugly (still waiting for my screenprotector :)) the shipped stuff looks like it had a couple fo rough nights Jul 30 09:16:13 what are you using as screen protector..? Jul 30 09:16:18 Bubbi: it's not that simple, he wants the freerunner to succeed, and he is probably 100000 as usefull to the commnity than you and me together :) Jul 30 09:16:43 same with marcus bauer, he made Tango GPS Jul 30 09:16:45 He probably is.. :) won't argue about that .. :) Jul 30 09:16:50 oi guys how do you put the batteries back in the stylus ? Jul 30 09:17:05 like i unscrewed it to take a look and now... i can't get them back in i think one is stuck Jul 30 09:17:15 haven't tried, i guess the same way you took them out but do everything in reverse? Jul 30 09:17:26 flat side up is how mine are Jul 30 09:17:39 shaking it like shakira's ass might help? Jul 30 09:18:00 yeah i know which side but one is stuck at the bottom and the one above it isn't moving so i can't do that so easily ? Jul 30 09:18:04 Zorkman: tried Jul 30 09:18:33 try nudging it with a needle or long pin or some wire or something Jul 30 09:19:00 dbmoodb: as pabs3 say.. use a long pin of some sort.. Jul 30 09:19:13 dbmoodb: It worked for me :) Jul 30 09:19:30 Why do we always have to take everything apart..? :D Jul 30 09:19:45 anyone know how to customise the u-boot logo? Jul 30 09:20:02 good question Jul 30 09:20:18 this would make the phone more "mine" :) Jul 30 09:20:18 usr/share/pixelmap Jul 30 09:20:44 pabs3: the logo is flashed into one of the partitions Jul 30 09:20:55 the png is in there rename the orig and add your own, I think thats how I did it Jul 30 09:20:58 pabs3: if you check out the devirginate script it will show you how to generare one Jul 30 09:21:06 cool Jul 30 09:22:17 * pabs3 bbl Jul 30 09:23:23 Zorkman: jay vaughan <3's OpenMoko. Jul 30 09:23:30 i have no hate Jul 30 09:25:34 torpor, i know that Jul 30 09:25:45 sorry if I gave the wrong impression Jul 30 09:25:54 the impression that there are frictions are right though :) Jul 30 09:26:50 in the end we all just want this thing to succeed (the faster the better) Jul 30 09:26:57 hell yeah Jul 30 09:26:59 thats my point too Jul 30 09:27:09 we can't just be all proud of the little piece of crap. yet. Jul 30 09:27:27 i think openmoko has reached that 'full of itself' stage and needs a bit of a shove to remember that its not done yet. Jul 30 09:27:45 certainly its good to bitchslap that CEO!!! ;) Jul 30 09:27:54 "museum" indeed. Jul 30 09:27:54 ^_^ Jul 30 09:28:19 he's no native english speaker... probably mean art gallery like an employee pointed out :) Jul 30 09:28:20 ya not "quite" done yet! Ya that's the ticket! Jul 30 09:28:26 if the openmoko freerunner is a "museum", then iphone is a busted videobooth with hookers holding the doors open, tissues at hand. Jul 30 09:29:54 grrr , got some moving to do, moving out of my place; anyone like moving boxes? :P Jul 30 09:30:25 I was waiting till the FreeRunner could do that, but now it seems there still some glitches before that will work :) Jul 30 09:30:53 (that's no English Zorkman :)) Jul 30 09:32:05 what are you guys on about? Jul 30 09:32:56 A museum where it was told there would be many exhibits each tailored for the individual user, then you buy the ticket only to find 4 or 5 contractors all building different buildings and the only things up are the doors and they squeek Jul 30 09:37:59 lol Jul 30 09:38:39 um guys who many batteries are there in the stylus in total ? 7 ? Jul 30 09:39:00 4 ? Jul 30 09:39:08 4 Jul 30 09:39:08 some Jul 30 09:39:15 no idea, my 3 year old stole mine Jul 30 09:39:20 torpor, yeah well, personally, I _do_ find you much more productive than Bauer (on the list, not dissing his work :) Jul 30 09:39:22 4 Jul 30 09:39:30 railer: they are cheap on ebay Jul 30 09:40:04 with laser pointers and flashlight built in? Jul 30 09:40:22 hey speedevil can you fix/finish my new bashscript Jul 30 09:40:41 for the life of me i cant make it demonize and clean up after itself Jul 30 09:41:02 mjr: i am an avid believer in the 'blow off the steam in a controlled manner so that anarchists don't do it for you" mode of thought. Jul 30 09:41:05 or anyone for that matter Jul 30 09:41:05 ;) Jul 30 09:41:19 ah and guys the tab key -- how does one get one of those on the normal keyboard -- do i just put in "tab" ? Jul 30 09:41:19 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Kd8ikt#demon_daemon Jul 30 09:41:24 while it may seem like i'm flaming, its true, i'm flaming. now its all blown over and there will be less stress about the issue. Jul 30 09:41:47 kd8ikt: cute Jul 30 09:42:26 mjr: and yeah, marcus is a bit pissed about things. i see where he's coming from, especially in light of the fluffy CEO message (which just .. meh .. didn't work) Jul 30 09:42:27 its fun when the start function is run Jul 30 09:42:39 maybe someday it could be part of a ringer Jul 30 09:42:59 torpor: hahahah Jul 30 09:43:39 raster: shush you! its all your fault, you and your "design team" Jul 30 09:44:15 well anyway if anyones board and like to play with bash scripts hit it up i could use help on this lil project Jul 30 09:44:21 bored Jul 30 09:45:17 you want me to look at it kd8ikt? :D Jul 30 09:45:37 i was kinda thinking of initscrip type functionality like script start script stop Jul 30 09:46:12 well its on my wiki page if you want to hit it up Jul 30 09:46:17 kd8ikt: I think you need to put a wrapper round it and use kill / NOHUP type functionality Jul 30 09:46:31 traps? Jul 30 09:46:42 * kd8ikt cant grasp how to use traps Jul 30 09:46:55 * XorA wonders if anyone fancies making a OM firefox theme Jul 30 09:47:26 how about a firefox openmoko theme? Jul 30 09:48:11 kd8ikt: I've never done that sort of thing in Bash myself. But I like the code - it seems to me very clean indeed. Was it you who was previously doing a wifi connection script? Jul 30 09:48:27 yeah but it blew chunks Jul 30 09:48:36 firefox is actually running OK speed wise, just needs a theme where buttons/dialogs fit the screen Jul 30 09:48:44 does anyone know if anyone is working on support for non-open mapes? (tomtom, garmin...) I'm contributing to OSM but it just isn't enough at the moment when i need to get somewhere Jul 30 09:49:10 i guess i couls seperate this script into two files one that runs & and one that kills it and resets the lights to 0 Jul 30 09:49:13 mapes !=apes but =maps Jul 30 09:49:14 kd8ikt: well, ISTM your code has improved a LOT and quickly. Jul 30 09:49:48 i havent been drinking all night Jul 30 09:49:54 maybe thats why Jul 30 09:50:30 wtf?!? 1000 phones is not a good order? Jul 30 09:51:29 there was a misunderstanding i think Jul 30 09:51:36 question: is sean moss-pultz some sorta steve carell fan? Jul 30 09:51:41 i think sean thought he was saying "sell 1000 phones in total" Jul 30 09:52:10 i was saying "i could sell 1,000 phones for you at my company and deploy them if only you would address your PR position a bit better" Jul 30 09:52:20 * torpor wonders what qualifications you need to be a CEO these days. Jul 30 09:52:33 I know what you were saying, but i think sean did not Jul 30 09:52:44 * Zorkman might be wrong, he usually is :) Jul 30 09:53:11 i really need to watch it with him, because i think he is *dangerous* to my openmoko projects now. Jul 30 09:53:22 * Zorkman thinks we should hold a boxing match to get rid of all the emotions :) Jul 30 09:53:48 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r0bf62ca202e4 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Added test for opreferencesd Jul 30 09:53:49 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r74d03eda8cc2 10/ (30 files in 13 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://git@git.freesmartphone.org/framework Jul 30 09:53:57 torpor: my design team? :) Jul 30 09:53:58 don't exaggerate torpor Jul 30 09:54:44 I was going to say "I think you're on our side Raster" but that's a bad sign... Jul 30 09:54:56 i'd like to think i am... Jul 30 09:55:04 i don't hange about like a bad smell here for nothing! Jul 30 09:55:04 :) Jul 30 09:55:16 torpor, well _now_ you were being somewhat trollish :] Jul 30 09:55:20 read Sander van Grieken's mail, my comment would also imply the community is fragmenting Jul 30 09:55:27 as i'cve said before Jul 30 09:55:34 if i disagree with user requests Jul 30 09:55:39 i will argue my case Jul 30 09:55:46 and try and convince you that i am right Jul 30 09:55:48 and you are not Jul 30 09:55:50 in the process Jul 30 09:55:59 i may end up being convinced i'm wrong Jul 30 09:55:59 yeah i remember the whole VGAstuff, it was lengthy but showed you cared Jul 30 09:56:05 chances mostly are that eithe ri'm right.. Jul 30 09:56:13 or its another "6 or half dozen" thing Jul 30 09:56:13 ie Jul 30 09:56:18 make it a damn config option Jul 30 09:56:23 and ... i love config options Jul 30 09:56:32 raster: I was waiting for you to say, "chances are that Im right, or your wrong" Jul 30 09:56:41 XorA: hahahahah Jul 30 09:56:54 XorA wasn't the only one : Jul 30 09:56:57 *:) Jul 30 09:57:01 Zorkman: and yes. the vga thng was a hypothetical with some actual reality behind it Jul 30 09:57:22 Zorkman: and i really didnt think peopel care that much about vga.. especially on suhc a small screen Jul 30 09:57:26 but i guess you do Jul 30 09:57:28 :) Jul 30 09:57:39 um --- raster --- its called wifi / usb /blah and then you use vnc Jul 30 09:57:41 can I ask you about your personal opinion about the whole ASU/FSO/2007.2/SHR thing or do you rather not talk about that? Jul 30 09:57:47 I'm trying to form an opinion Jul 30 09:57:58 re: your 1000 order torpor.... i sent both michael and steve emails about potential for using openmoko on a university course i was thinking of designing....got no response from either Jul 30 09:58:06 dbmoodb_: ??? Jul 30 09:58:26 Zorkman: ok. Jul 30 09:58:33 raster: i had no opinion because of lack of experience, only thing i can say is that is does look good :) Jul 30 09:58:33 as it stabnds ASU was meant to replace 2007.2 Jul 30 09:58:43 so i consider ASU just the prodgeny Jul 30 09:58:46 a far-flung one Jul 30 09:58:54 but a later version anyway Jul 30 09:58:59 i'm with you Jul 30 09:59:01 * mjr thinks bauer has a point about 2007.2 gsm api and eds but it's hidden behind hyperbole, attributing nefarious motives behind fso and stuff like that Jul 30 09:59:05 FSO and SHR are new Jul 30 09:59:21 and i do not entirely thnk they should be needed Jul 30 09:59:30 i think ASU and FSO will merge Jul 30 09:59:39 at least i have personal plans to do my own fork of ASU Jul 30 09:59:46 as frankly.. i can't use it Jul 30 09:59:48 and do you think it is a good thing that resources are diverted to FSO? Jul 30 10:00:00 and on that - i was planning on sucking in bits of FSO Jul 30 10:00:00 fso is certainly needed in contrast to asu, since the asu gsm stuff is just too qtopia-married Jul 30 10:00:01 ignoring potential business opportunities or not responding seems somewhat unprofessional Jul 30 10:00:02 bit by bit Jul 30 10:00:09 * zedstar looks at beagleboard Jul 30 10:00:30 but i am personally not pipeing hot about having an all-python ui. Jul 30 10:00:42 i'm not a python fan - and workign with it hasn't changed my mind :/ Jul 30 10:00:44 raster: if I win the lottery this weekend, I will employ you for two years to do your own fork of ASU Jul 30 10:00:56 i do not intend to deny peolpe their python Jul 30 10:01:07 i just dont want my wm, desktop, panel stuff etc. et.c in python Jul 30 10:01:14 i want my core desktop fast lean, mean and in c Jul 30 10:01:15 :) Jul 30 10:01:18 but thats me Jul 30 10:01:21 python is slower? Jul 30 10:01:22 raster: Well, the UI on fso is just proof-of-framework anyway Jul 30 10:01:22 raster: anyone going to port the gui and things to debian ? Jul 30 10:01:29 I like Sean. His "design" post was very blue sky, but he's been very polite over private email. Jul 30 10:01:39 * mjr does agree that the basic phone functions should probably be in lean, mean, c Jul 30 10:01:39 like --- i would like some apt-get / debian repos / apt-build for my phone Jul 30 10:01:50 mjr: ada for the win! Jul 30 10:01:55 alphaone: i know :) Jul 30 10:01:55 (Steve was nastily sarcastic in a private mail) Jul 30 10:02:02 * mjr wants his python, but not for that stuff, my own stuff Jul 30 10:02:04 alphaone: but sean wants everything in python Jul 30 10:02:10 alphaone: every last pixel must be python-controlled Jul 30 10:02:15 raster: why? Jul 30 10:02:25 raster: Oh, now there's news Jul 30 10:02:25 and frankly ... i can't live with that Jul 30 10:02:28 i'm new too all this, but is there an upside for using all python? Jul 30 10:02:28 raster: you mean controllable? Jul 30 10:02:30 * zedstar also agrees should be in C Jul 30 10:02:37 raster: I better not say anything more in public then Jul 30 10:02:41 opkg install gcc ...done and now where I can find gcc? Jul 30 10:02:52 Since I understand so little about selling phones Jul 30 10:02:52 alphaone: quote... Jul 30 10:02:56 (from sean) Jul 30 10:02:58 Technically Python will be on top, the primary method of development. Jul 30 10:02:58 controlling E, edje, d-bus, peripherals, settings, etc... The whole Jul 30 10:02:58 screen, every last pixel, must be as easy to program as an interactive, Jul 30 10:02:58 Web 2.0 site. Jul 30 10:03:01 --- Jul 30 10:03:17 so basically i am being asked to back his designs and ideas... Jul 30 10:03:18 or quit Jul 30 10:03:23 will this make the phone's slower? Jul 30 10:03:27 :-/ Jul 30 10:03:45 raster: It could get worse. Jul 30 10:03:51 unless he clarifies this... which in usual sean style is not clear... Jul 30 10:03:56 Zorkman: Well.. it's easy to edit for more people.. and you can edit it on the fly.. while C programs are much faster, as they don't have to be interpreted (enterpreted?) before they are run Jul 30 10:03:56 i may be tempted to quit. Jul 30 10:04:03 raster: Many companies are now leaning towards having UI in flash Jul 30 10:04:04 !! Jul 30 10:04:06 as i'm not goign to become a pythonn programmer Jul 30 10:04:12 is Sean technically skilled? I mean no offence, but does he have programming skills/knowledge? Jul 30 10:04:12 I think that's crazy Jul 30 10:04:19 raster, yeah I don't think that necessarily means "all in python", probably a clarification is in order Jul 30 10:04:27 If it's not a rude question, raster - can you afford to quit? Jul 30 10:04:34 what's next the kernel in Python ;) Jul 30 10:04:37 * Rigolo likes the last statement ... The whole screen, every last pixel, must be as easy to program as an interactive, Web 2.0 site. Jul 30 10:04:48 but that does not mean it should be done in python Jul 30 10:05:00 hello all Jul 30 10:05:05 llo charlie137 Jul 30 10:05:06 mjr: in usual sean style.. it's not clear Jul 30 10:05:17 personally, I agree with the "all in python" way Jul 30 10:05:17 Stroller: yes. i can. Jul 30 10:05:45 why charlie137? f i may ask Jul 30 10:05:48 python is the only good high level language Jul 30 10:05:52 C is very good Jul 30 10:06:00 but too low level for writing applications Jul 30 10:06:07 You can program every pixel in MS paint! It has certain limitations over functionality, then. Jul 30 10:06:08 but isn't speed a primary requirement for a phone? Jul 30 10:06:14 charlie137: i personalyl disagree. Jul 30 10:06:21 raster: from your messages I'm surprised you've stayed so long Jul 30 10:06:23 charlie137: i've been writign applications in c for a long time Jul 30 10:06:24 :) Jul 30 10:06:33 Zorkman: yes, but that is why you can call C form python Jul 30 10:06:34 but as i keep saying Jul 30 10:06:37 its a personal thnig Jul 30 10:06:48 and there are a lot of people like me who just dont like python Jul 30 10:06:48 * Stroller <3s C Jul 30 10:06:50 for whatever reasons Jul 30 10:06:57 its a personal decision Jul 30 10:07:03 raster: I agree, you can do everything in C, but it won't be as easy as with python Jul 30 10:07:04 like not liking chocolate Jul 30 10:07:07 and wanting vanilla Jul 30 10:07:10 well problem solved, use one little python app to call your c-programs raster, and then it is still python that made the initial descision :) Jul 30 10:07:12 I can change hostname without problem on upgrade or other ? Jul 30 10:07:15 ch but it'll be faster Jul 30 10:07:17 * Zorkman is over simplifieing it :) Jul 30 10:07:21 for example if you want to do obkect oriented stuff in C, it is not simple Jul 30 10:07:22 charlie137: and leaner and smaller Jul 30 10:07:23 :) Jul 30 10:07:36 c++ ? Jul 30 10:07:37 a few function pointers Jul 30 10:07:38 My personal favourite would be c with lua hooks for scripting. Jul 30 10:07:49 structs... structs in structs.. oo is not too hard Jul 30 10:07:55 I which there is a good compiled language for OO, but currently there isn't (to my opinion) Jul 30 10:08:04 zogs: I do not see why it would create problems ... changing host names Jul 30 10:08:09 My personal choice is C and i embed Scheme if i want fancy data structures etc Jul 30 10:08:10 Rakshasa: my plans for edje - the theme/.gfx layoput abstraction in efl is to possibly add lua Jul 30 10:08:10 Thank you raster - I am not alone. Jul 30 10:08:12 * Zorkman looks up what oo is :) Jul 30 10:08:16 lua seems perfectly suited Jul 30 10:08:18 charlie137: i take it you're worked with Qt to be able to say that? :) Jul 30 10:08:24 lua is cool too Jul 30 10:08:24 ok Rigolo Jul 30 10:08:30 raster, \o/ hooray Jul 30 10:08:31 leinirAWAY: indeed ! Jul 30 10:08:40 lua is in top spot right now Jul 30 10:08:48 javascript and ferite are contenders Jul 30 10:08:48 Zorkman: Object Oriented i believe.. as in Object Oriented Programming.. Jul 30 10:08:52 D is a great language, i hope it will take on Jul 30 10:08:54 ah, that i know :) Jul 30 10:08:59 python doesnt exactly do well in the great language shootout rankings Jul 30 10:09:02 but i don't want to use C++ ever :) Jul 30 10:09:03 charlie137: Oh well, no accounting for taste, i guess ;) Jul 30 10:09:22 zedstar: yes python is very slow, that is why you write the low level stuffs in C Jul 30 10:09:32 change om-gta02 to cofe Jul 30 10:09:50 charlie137: so there should be a libopenmoko in C .. that you can call from python to do stuff? Jul 30 10:10:02 Rigolo: yes Jul 30 10:10:06 that is already the case Jul 30 10:10:15 everybody here is using python-etk Jul 30 10:10:37 charlie137: so now the questions then becomes .. how "large" should that lib be? how detailed? Jul 30 10:10:40 the question is will people write low level stuff in C or try and do it in Python still! Jul 30 10:10:53 like Java programmers trying to solve the world in one language Jul 30 10:11:11 * Rigolo sees a world wheresome people write things in python .. and then other port it to C Jul 30 10:11:20 the truth is, you can do many things fast in python if you know how to structure your code Jul 30 10:11:52 I wrote a software to visualize the stars in python, could deal with more than one million stars at the same time, plus bitmap superosed Jul 30 10:12:01 python really sux IMO compared to functional languages but i aint gonna preach about that Jul 30 10:12:11 of course I had to use C for the low level parts Jul 30 10:12:27 charlie137: you wrote Orrery? Jul 30 10:12:29 how does one check the battery? Jul 30 10:12:52 Zorkman: no it was just a proof of concept for stellarium Jul 30 10:12:52 dbmoodb_: open the case and see it it still there? Jul 30 10:12:53 dbmoodb_: apm Jul 30 10:13:02 apm ? Jul 30 10:13:08 type apm in the terminal Jul 30 10:13:14 ok Jul 30 10:13:16 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r74d32327936a 10/packages/linux/ (3 files): [linux-openmoko] stop the lack of /boot/uImage breaking devices Jul 30 10:13:18 (on the freerunner or ssh'd in to the freerunner) Jul 30 10:13:22 nar just supprised Jul 30 10:13:30 --- expected acpi Jul 30 10:13:54 * Zorkman did't know about acpi so he couldn't be surprised the first time :) Jul 30 10:13:54 XorA: is that latest commit going to solve all these opkg upgrade problems we have been seeing the last days? Jul 30 10:14:05 goedmorgen Jul 30 10:14:13 iedereen Jul 30 10:14:16 :) Jul 30 10:14:19 ^_^ Jul 30 10:14:22 hoi dave .. ook een goede morgen .. english please :-) Jul 30 10:14:23 goeiemiddag dave :p Jul 30 10:14:32 :D Jul 30 10:14:47 didn't know dave was dutch Jul 30 10:14:58 where is the path for sound's file? Jul 30 10:15:22 /usr/share/openmoko/sounds? Jul 30 10:15:34 Rigolo: were you upgrading kernel and blowing up device? Jul 30 10:15:38 what sound? what image? Jul 30 10:16:10 XorA: not any more .. but lost of people came and went .. after opkg upgrade broke their FR Jul 30 10:16:19 Rigolo: yeah, that should fix it Jul 30 10:16:52 XorA: what package should I upgrade then? Jul 30 10:16:55 you're an american Dave, no? Jul 30 10:17:02 i feel bad for the people that blindly reflashed their rootfs Jul 30 10:17:16 when it was just a kernel hicup Jul 30 10:17:30 Ik ben een overloper :p Jul 30 10:17:33 kd8ikt: well .... we know that now ... Jul 30 10:17:48 kd8ikt, why? Jul 30 10:17:52 * kd8ikt got a detailed boot explaination going through NAND uboot and selecting the "boot" option Jul 30 10:17:53 hiho Jul 30 10:17:55 **more then one graph and orbubble Jul 30 10:18:04 whoopz acidental paste Jul 30 10:18:04 it did that opkg upgrade, and afterwards i reflashed to a 0722 kernel and it still didn't work Jul 30 10:18:24 wat? Jul 30 10:18:26 well that sucks Jul 30 10:18:33 Zorkman: that was because your modules were already on git25 ... Jul 30 10:18:45 0722 was git23 Jul 30 10:18:46 yeah , i'm not complaining, we all nog the risk Jul 30 10:19:15 anyway, as I said and has been posted on the mailinlists it would be usefull to be able to nuke an upgrade faster Jul 30 10:19:36 if ten people know it breaks, lets not get a few hundred peoples freerunner break Jul 30 10:20:22 it wouldnt suprise me if it was a dev doing it on purpose Jul 30 10:20:22 damn, need to start moving; waisting too much time Jul 30 10:20:29 if anyone needs me: I'm useless :p Jul 30 10:20:39 just to sit back and laugh at everyone in here Jul 30 10:21:16 like when that asshole weaving in and out of lanes in a traffic jam wants to get ahead of me i wont let him through Jul 30 10:21:33 I mostly laugh at myself, there is sadly no one who know less about linux then me.. :) Jul 30 10:21:35 kd8ikt: is that you ... :-) Jul 30 10:22:03 or the guy that tries to use the shoulder and i block him Jul 30 10:22:42 kd8ikt: and then that anoying blue light turns on on that car Jul 30 10:23:42 shoulder is only for emergency and public saftey not some dickwad without patience to go buy a bag of pot Jul 30 10:24:45 i could go on for hours about transportation hate so i'll just stop now Jul 30 10:26:37 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r4204533ad4f5 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [splinter] Bump up the reversion of splinter to 505 Jul 30 10:26:38 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * ra5ccbcbe05ae 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [diversity] Bump up the reversion of diversity-daemon to 483 Jul 30 10:26:38 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r4be601953324 10/packages/packagekit/ (files/remove_search_memory_leak.patch packagekit_git.bb): [packagekit] Add a patch for packagekit Jul 30 10:26:39 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r476e7ea6bc96 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [opkg] Bump up the reversion of opkg to 4562 Jul 30 10:28:02 can anyone tell me how a valid running dbus looks like in ps axu | grep dbus in 2007.2? Jul 30 10:30:36 very cool, my right click emulation works! Jul 30 10:31:05 not well though ;) the left click still gets through Jul 30 10:33:44 ecraven: I still feel you should have used power and aux as mouse buttons :-) Jul 30 10:33:56 Rigolo: i'll do that next ;) Jul 30 10:34:06 short aux is right mouse, long aux is f5 Jul 30 10:34:10 congrats ecraven! Jul 30 10:34:28 ecraven: no ... use power for right .. it is on the right side Jul 30 10:34:49 and then long power .. can be ctrl-alt-del :-) Jul 30 10:35:00 that should be easy I think Jul 30 10:35:19 well, the system menu that 2007.2 has is not a bad idea for power Jul 30 10:35:23 rigolo: i think ecraven uses it in landscape, so there is no button on the right side Jul 30 10:35:45 Zorkman: well .. then he should not complain :-) Jul 30 10:36:09 not only landscape, i use both modes Jul 30 10:37:13 * Rigolo is going to help some little boy with reinstalling his win xp pc :-) Jul 30 10:37:58 3 time this week he managed to "break" it ... I'm glade those PC's are on an other net then mine :-) Jul 30 10:43:10 does anyone know how the small rotating icon is displayed when an application is launched? Jul 30 10:43:22 hi Jul 30 10:50:06 ecraven: I guess you have to take that as a no.. :( Jul 30 10:53:14 when looking here: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080730/?C=M;O=A What is the "modules-2.6.24..." ? Jul 30 10:55:36 :o Jul 30 10:55:42 It's all the modules! Jul 30 10:55:56 ecraven! Jul 30 10:56:05 Can you change that, too? I think it's rather stupid :P Jul 30 10:57:23 oh, and someone fix this goddamn cursor bug in gtk Jul 30 10:57:35 Dave: Yeah, I guessed that it was all the modules.. but what are all the modules.. :) Is it something that you need to flash to the neo, or does that happen automatically with the opkg upgrade command as well..? Jul 30 10:57:50 You don't *need* it. Jul 30 10:58:18 Typically the flash will install all the necessary root modules, it's only for developers or persons with "special needs." :P Jul 30 10:58:59 Dave: change what? Jul 30 10:59:02 Okay.. :) I was just wondering, since I hadn't seen any guides on the "getting started" pages.. but if it's for developers, I guess it won't be on the "getting started" pages.. :D Jul 30 10:59:06 Dave: what cursor bug? Jul 30 10:59:08 ecraven: is that not part of the matchbox-panel applets ... ? Jul 30 10:59:24 Rigolo: i have no idea ;) i'm interested in how do find out when an application starts, and when it is finished starting.. Jul 30 10:59:34 ecraven, change that goddamned hourglass equivalent Jul 30 10:59:36 the rotating eyeball Jul 30 10:59:51 hehe, you don't like it? Jul 30 11:00:00 and that fucking cursor bug which suddenly and randomly enables the CURSOR (mode) in the GTK image, and subsequently locks down your phone. Jul 30 11:00:07 Dave: ecraven made it himself.. ;) Jul 30 11:00:11 never seen that Jul 30 11:00:21 Apparently you can restartx, but clearly ssh seems to be the only available method to do that. Jul 30 11:00:22 ecraven: in /etc/matchbox/session there is something that says startup ... i suspect it might be that ... Jul 30 11:00:43 I'm fairly certain a few other users have experienced this. Jul 30 11:00:53 I mean, hell, a couple people in my lab have experienced this as well :P Jul 30 11:00:54 I have had the cursor bug as well.. just when I started the matchbox keyboard it activated.. Jul 30 11:01:00 yeah! Jul 30 11:01:13 it's not specific to matchbox keyboard though Jul 30 11:01:17 I can tell you that. Jul 30 11:01:21 So it might be some part of the matchbox keyboard as Rigolo says Jul 30 11:01:27 oh okay.. :) Jul 30 11:01:34 though I do believe it's specific to starting an app, or switching app on a keyboard Jul 30 11:01:40 but oh if this gives you more of a clue Jul 30 11:01:48 I get this strange error after the cursor bug on gtk Jul 30 11:01:49 no, that rotating thing is already there before the matchbox keyboard ... Jul 30 11:02:13 Error saving screenshot: Value for PNG text chunk CREATOR cannot be converted to ISO-8859-1 encoding. Jul 30 11:02:17 o_O Jul 30 11:02:20 who is "andy" in trac? Jul 30 11:02:37 Awesome andy? Jul 30 11:02:41 Rigolo: Yeah, but we're refering to the cursor :) the "eyeball" thing is just the loading icon.. Jul 30 11:02:55 bubbi, right, right. Jul 30 11:03:13 Please do not confuse our comments with our desperate pleas for fixes! Jul 30 11:03:16 * Rigolo has no cursor ... as far as I can tell at least (must be really small then) Jul 30 11:03:42 OT Jul 30 11:03:49 It's small, but not enabled by default. Jul 30 11:03:56 Some people have turned it on because they "Like it" Jul 30 11:04:02 though that is unrelated to this cursor bug. Jul 30 11:04:07 Rigolo: It's a cursor that occationally appears.. It's not meant to be there but sometimes it just happens Jul 30 11:04:18 never saw it ... Jul 30 11:04:26 bubbi, yeah but it seems to subsequently lock down your phone Jul 30 11:04:31 e.g. you can't switch apps Jul 30 11:04:35 i have a cursor on urxvt, for example Jul 30 11:04:35 or start new ones Jul 30 11:04:39 but it does no harm Jul 30 11:04:43 let alone possibly quit the app you're currently in Jul 30 11:05:02 I can understand that they activate it, if they get the entire neo "screen" on the desktop.. Jul 30 11:05:19 o.O Jul 30 11:05:27 Anyhow, has this been submitted yet? Jul 30 11:05:32 if not, SKFJSLD:FSF Jul 30 11:06:31 nuclear_eclipse, how will I ever resume my precious net game now :( Jul 30 11:09:36 oh, and ecraven Jul 30 11:09:41 fix my screenshot error Jul 30 11:09:54 I suspect it's related to the cursor bug. Jul 30 11:10:24 anyone get a good /etc/pintercal for lanscape mode? Jul 30 11:10:37 heh Jul 30 11:10:39 pintercal Jul 30 11:11:01 hey i told you last night how to fix the screenshor ISO error Jul 30 11:11:19 ln -s libc.so.6 /lib/libc.so Jul 30 11:12:09 kd8ikt: with Xfbdev, it works perfectly for me Jul 30 11:12:14 with Xglamo, i think it can't be fixed Jul 30 11:12:25 kd8ikt: oh, did you? Jul 30 11:12:33 Sorry kd8, I must have dozed off :) Jul 30 11:12:41 you must of left as soon as you complained about it Jul 30 11:12:53 try it now it should work Jul 30 11:12:56 haha Jul 30 11:13:45 ecraven: ... what do i do woth Xfbdev? Jul 30 11:13:45 kd8ikt, would it require a restart? Jul 30 11:13:50 no Jul 30 11:13:54 yeah, alright Jul 30 11:14:06 cool, now find a solution to that dreaded cursor bug :D Jul 30 11:14:44 kd8ikt: you use it instead of Xglamo ;) Jul 30 11:15:02 not sure how to do that on 2007.2.. probably make X a link to Xfbdev Jul 30 11:15:02 BLAMO Jul 30 11:15:07 says its running Jul 30 11:15:21 yes, you have to stop the server, then change it, then start X again Jul 30 11:15:23 <-- FSO Jul 30 11:15:43 i'm not sure how to do it on FSO. if you are unlucky, stopping the X server will get your system to shutdown Jul 30 11:15:43 change what? the /etc/pointercal? Jul 30 11:16:00 no, Xglamo is buggy, afaik there's no way to get correct landscape with it Jul 30 11:16:03 haha Jul 30 11:16:07 change the X server to be Xfbdev, not Xglamo Jul 30 11:17:16 kd8 what's up with your libc "fix" ? Jul 30 11:18:28 gpe-screenshot is looking for libc.so.0 not libc.so Jul 30 11:18:46 libc got updated Jul 30 11:19:00 did it work for you? Jul 30 11:19:09 are you talking about symlinking /usr/lib/libc.so to /lib/libc.so.6? Jul 30 11:19:51 http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td639927 Jul 30 11:19:56 uggh Jul 30 11:20:35 something wrong charlie brown? Jul 30 11:20:57 ohhhhhhhhhhhhh Jul 30 11:21:02 alright thanks :P Jul 30 11:21:07 * Dave throws chcolate at kd8 Jul 30 11:21:10 where is the Xglamo log file? Jul 30 11:21:47 guys -- how does one add a tab key --- what does it look like? Jul 30 11:22:25 tabulator? Jul 30 11:22:31 lulz Jul 30 11:22:42 yeah -- Jul 30 11:22:47 Now I can take a screenshot of the cursor bug, without the screenshot bug :P Jul 30 11:22:50 hlagh Jul 30 11:22:53 "tab ? " Jul 30 11:23:15 like its the big thing missing from the keyboard.... i can't do completion cuz there is no tab... Jul 30 11:23:18 moo Jul 30 11:23:26 There is a tab key. Jul 30 11:23:30 where ? Jul 30 11:23:35 <-- Jul 30 11:23:35 and bash tabcompletion works fine Jul 30 11:23:35 Bill_: where does the xserver do input handling? Jul 30 11:23:36 --> Jul 30 11:23:41 Oh wait, which keyboard are you referring to :x Jul 30 11:23:44 * Dave hides Jul 30 11:23:55 why don't you use xwd for screenshots? Jul 30 11:23:58 the default one Jul 30 11:24:19 ecraven? Jul 30 11:24:26 the default keyboard doesn't have /, so it's useless on a console anyway Jul 30 11:24:26 dbmoodb,oh, the numpad? Jul 30 11:24:32 right Jul 30 11:24:36 and broken in the terminal app Jul 30 11:24:38 Dave: xwd > /tmp/foo.xwd, then click Jul 30 11:24:46 though the terminal app is pretty broken on it's own Jul 30 11:24:51 xwd should be preinstalled Jul 30 11:24:55 ecraven? o.O Jul 30 11:24:58 what what? Jul 30 11:25:09 just what am I clicking now? :D Jul 30 11:25:11 xwd is a screenshot tool that comes with x Jul 30 11:25:18 the terminal is fine i just need tab completion and then i'm set Jul 30 11:25:18 the window you want to take a screenshot of ;) Jul 30 11:25:19 AH Jul 30 11:25:28 I already used teh gpe ~_~ Jul 30 11:26:12 xwd: not found Jul 30 11:26:55 Pizzamans! Jul 30 11:27:00 so there is no way of adding tab ? ... Jul 30 11:27:16 dbmoob, I thnk it is the concensus that that particular keyboard should be abolished. Jul 30 11:27:28 I believe it's useful for dialing, but that's about it. Jul 30 11:27:36 * Dave eyes Ainulindale Jul 30 11:27:55 What ? Jul 30 11:27:59 Dave: its useful for dialing yeah -- like i only want a full keyboard for the terminal really and an easy way to swap Jul 30 11:28:22 oh, easy Jul 30 11:28:26 Dave: what ? Jul 30 11:28:27 easier than Switching_Keyboards? Jul 30 11:28:31 Ainulindale :) Jul 30 11:28:37 What do you want ? Jul 30 11:28:42 :( Jul 30 11:28:44 Is it another useless higlighth ? Jul 30 11:28:48 -h Jul 30 11:28:49 Does the dialer app use the global keyboard? Jul 30 11:29:01 I don't know Jul 30 11:29:03 or can you secretly embed your own keyboard? Jul 30 11:29:05 You don't know? Jul 30 11:29:11 I'm not developing the UI Jul 30 11:29:15 Oh :p Jul 30 11:29:17 I'm doing the sublayers Jul 30 11:29:21 okay :) Jul 30 11:29:23 Fair enough Jul 30 11:29:28 You'll want to ask MarcOChapeau Jul 30 11:29:41 Sounds French. Jul 30 11:29:51 You're ALL French! :O Jul 30 11:30:05 well dude --- is there a way to add tab or not ? -- do i just put "tab" ? or bill or ? Jul 30 11:30:23 dbmoodb_: use matchbox-keyboard, that has tab Jul 30 11:30:46 right Jul 30 11:30:49 ecraven: make it bigger! Jul 30 11:30:50 :) Jul 30 11:31:00 it's worse than eee Jul 30 11:31:01 ;D Jul 30 11:31:50 ecraven: nar dude --i want the default keyboard Jul 30 11:32:41 dbmoodb_: what's default? Jul 30 11:32:58 the number keyboard not matchbox Jul 30 11:33:08 okey.. Jul 30 11:33:15 thats old-fashioned-default.. Jul 30 11:33:21 i like it Jul 30 11:33:27 the new default is in ASU Jul 30 11:33:42 um... fun i'm getting opkg error 2 Jul 30 11:34:12 i think all the sigs just failed :( Jul 30 11:34:25 don't worry about the sigs Jul 30 11:35:53 oh haha Jul 30 11:36:02 hoi Zorkman! Jul 30 11:36:27 bumble! Jul 30 11:36:28 well about tab ... Jul 30 11:36:36 Davy Jul 30 11:36:39 How is Austria, today? :P Jul 30 11:36:49 llo dave Jul 30 11:36:56 hallo :] Jul 30 11:37:04 going to put the pc in a box Jul 30 11:37:06 edistar: should i use asu then ? Jul 30 11:37:09 see you guys maybe tonight Jul 30 11:37:17 make it work by then :p Jul 30 11:37:22 dbmoodb_: depends, it's your choice ;) Jul 30 11:37:42 :p Jul 30 11:37:44 hard to say; the sun is shining but still noone cares about us Jul 30 11:38:01 :D Jul 30 11:38:10 So a typical day, then :) Jul 30 11:38:24 zogs: opkg install gcc-links Jul 30 11:38:29 oh, he's gone. never mind then. Jul 30 11:38:38 it seems so, yes Jul 30 11:39:54 does someone know where to get libpulse0 >= 0.9.10? Jul 30 11:42:43 the main repo? Jul 30 11:42:54 libpulse0_0.9.10-r3_armv4t.ipk Jul 30 11:43:02 Is that suitable? :) Jul 30 11:44:31 D: Jul 30 11:44:50 Dave: link? because opkg upgrade complains about that missing Jul 30 11:44:57 ecraven, what's next, custom cursors!? :p Jul 30 11:45:08 bumble, strange, I have it in mine. Jul 30 11:45:14 Dave: no, i still think we need a decent framework before doing too much gui Jul 30 11:45:24 and as openmoko seems unwilling to fix the things i'm most interested in... Jul 30 11:45:49 ecraven: can we not reinvent the wheel ? Jul 30 11:46:05 bumble: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libpulse0_0.9.10-r3_armv4t.ipk Jul 30 11:46:08 dbmoodb_: point is, there *is* no decent framework at the moment Jul 30 11:46:16 ecraven :) Jul 30 11:46:21 FSO is getting somewhere, but ASU and 2007.2 are dead ends, imho Jul 30 11:46:26 ecraven: --- i said previously a nice debian base would be nice Jul 30 11:46:27 /tmp/x.log Jul 30 11:46:32 ecraven, yeah, that is disappointing though Jul 30 11:46:38 Hey, I think it's important! :) Jul 30 11:46:39 but the 2007.2 gui / framework looks good to me Jul 30 11:46:46 dbmoodb_: i have a working debian base Jul 30 11:46:47 * kd8ikt is using a FSO build from like two days ago and i'm impressed Jul 30 11:46:48 We seem to see eye to eye on most things so far, ecraven :) Jul 30 11:46:56 kd8ikt: i don't have that file ;( Jul 30 11:47:07 ecraven: care to make an image / provide some .debs of the openmoko dial and other software Jul 30 11:47:09 damn Jul 30 11:47:45 Dave: thank you Jul 30 11:47:46 check if /etc/X11/Xserver has a log to entry Jul 30 11:47:57 oH Jul 30 11:48:10 Any idea where I might find notification that the cursor mode was by chance enabled, somehow? Jul 30 11:48:18 Would it be in X logs somewhere, or what? Jul 30 11:48:26 dbmoodb_: i don't like the openmoko software ;) Jul 30 11:48:34 but i can provide a working image Jul 30 11:48:38 ecraven: ah ............. so how are you dialing Jul 30 11:48:42 dbmoodb_: i'm not ;) Jul 30 11:48:50 heh Jul 30 11:48:51 be back in 20 minutes, then i'll elaborate Jul 30 11:48:54 ecraven: i want to use it as a phone... Jul 30 11:49:00 what the hell is wtmp? Jul 30 11:49:01 rofl Jul 30 11:49:20 You might be the only one, dbmoodb :) Jul 30 11:49:23 ;) Jul 30 11:49:23 Dave: a lot of basically everything you do -- its on most / all good linux distros Jul 30 11:49:40 yeah yeah Jul 30 11:49:51 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wtmp Jul 30 11:49:59 Dave: yeah i know -- thinking about dual booting actually - -sdpard debian flash / blah stock Jul 30 11:50:05 sd* Jul 30 11:50:21 yeah i need an 8GB microSD first though Jul 30 11:50:33 -- im' getting 16 ;) Jul 30 11:51:30 16 what? Jul 30 11:52:13 last night i had an idea that i could put together a monster python script that people could run taht would take the best parts of all distro's and install them on a bootable partition on the SD card .. Jul 30 11:52:20 sort of a monster merge of all works so far. Jul 30 11:52:25 thus solving the distro issue for good. Jul 30 11:52:32 so i started thinking about *how* to do this .. Jul 30 11:52:37 then i fell asleep. ;) Jul 30 11:52:46 torpor: heh :) Jul 30 11:53:17 torpor: apt-get install stuff && opkg install more stuff Jul 30 11:53:38 * dbmoodb_ has to stop pushing debian Jul 30 11:53:43 ah noshit 16GB SDHC cards are comming out? Jul 30 11:53:54 yeah kd8ikt they are out atm Jul 30 11:54:01 i think at least Jul 30 11:54:06 dbmoodb_: no, that may be the answer. use debian as the base OS, graft all the other good crap on top. Jul 30 11:54:20 16meg cards are available here for 50euro's Jul 30 11:54:24 i'm gonna get one. Jul 30 11:54:32 damn i need one then Jul 30 11:54:34 omg Jul 30 11:54:38 16meg, hf Jul 30 11:54:49 I can't believe it; I have successfully updated asu Jul 30 11:55:01 torpor: hope you get it working -- just port some of the openmoko stuff Jul 30 11:55:37 no i'm gonna fork and then rewrite the whole thing in CHILL, coz thats the best there is, ever ever ever. Jul 30 11:56:30 torpor: what ever dude i just want the thing to work as a phone with some software available for me without having to compile it --(that's why i'm recommending debian / apt-get / apt-build) Jul 30 11:56:44 does the phone work in debian? Jul 30 11:57:22 there is an image posted already Jul 30 11:57:36 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian Jul 30 11:58:04 does gsm work? Jul 30 11:58:27 does the phone work in debian? Jul 30 11:58:31 ah..... - no hence my asking for portings Jul 30 11:58:36 screw it. Jul 30 11:58:39 not 100% sure Jul 30 11:58:49 but i like the idea of using debian on the phone. . . Jul 30 11:59:06 is ther ea good bluetooth keyboard setup configurator thingybob for debian? Jul 30 11:59:52 torpor: ....? just connect Jul 30 12:00:05 * rwhitby winces at the overhead a desktop-optimised OS like Debian will bring to the underpowered openmoko platform ... isn't it slow enough for you already? Jul 30 12:00:06 bluetooth keyboard Jul 30 12:00:08 no connection. Jul 30 12:00:27 rwhitby: *cough* OM2007.2 *cough* .. Jul 30 12:00:30 * Dave throws a pizza at kd8ikt Jul 30 12:00:41 torpor: exactly Jul 30 12:00:44 rwhitby: no. it isnt. some people want everything you see controlled by python :) Jul 30 12:00:52 dude Jul 30 12:00:52 it obviously isnt slow enough yet! Jul 30 12:00:54 it needs help Jul 30 12:00:57 :) Jul 30 12:01:03 Did you see their Crusade to have the entire GUI redone in Scheme? Jul 30 12:01:06 Once you switch from multitap to matchbox on 2007.2 bluetooth keyboards work fine :) Jul 30 12:01:11 and run complete by fb Jul 30 12:01:12 :P Jul 30 12:01:22 raster: that's why I only run Emacs for editing config files on the moko - vi is just too fast Jul 30 12:01:23 Tig|: really? i'll have to try that. Jul 30 12:01:24 That, my friends, will surely be the turning point :P Jul 30 12:01:34 rwhitby: haha, jackass :) Jul 30 12:01:36 rwhitby: hahaha Jul 30 12:01:50 ew emacs Jul 30 12:01:58 ~emacs Jul 30 12:01:59 hmm... emacs is as useless as vim if you don't wanna learn it Jul 30 12:02:10 Dave: u know gnomes original aim was to be a desktop written in lisp/scheme? :) Jul 30 12:02:13 * rwhitby believes he was the first person in the world to run emacs on the neo1973 over a year ago ... Jul 30 12:02:20 * Dave shudders Jul 30 12:02:26 ~vim Jul 30 12:02:28 i heard vim is better than emacs Jul 30 12:02:38 ~nano Jul 30 12:02:39 nano is probably at http://www.nano-editor.org/, or a DFSG-free alternative to pico, or 10^-9 Jul 30 12:02:42 pico! Jul 30 12:02:45 torpor: yep it is the multitap stuff that screws up the inputting :) just turn on bluetooth and put the kb in discoverable and enter : hidd --search in the console and it all springs into life :) Jul 30 12:02:52 ~kate Jul 30 12:02:52 i guess kate is the new standart editor of KDE located in kdebase and the replacement for good old KWrite Jul 30 12:03:06 ~cat Jul 30 12:03:06 ~joe Jul 30 12:03:07 somebody said cat was officially used to concatenate files. cat is also used to display the contents of a file on screen. Syntax: cat (file1) (file2) ...(fileN) Where file1 through fileN are the files to display. Example: cat letters/from-mdw displays the file letters/from-mdw. or a clawed walking stomach that meows, or http://www.linux-on-line.net/downloads/fun/humorous-plus/beware_of_dogs.jpg Jul 30 12:03:07 Wraung ;) Jul 30 12:03:07 A Free ASCII-Text Screen Editor for UNIX. URL: ftp://ftp.std.com/src/editors/ Jul 30 12:03:12 apt, learning curve is http://bc.tech.coop/blog/images/curves.jpg Jul 30 12:03:13 okay, Dave Jul 30 12:03:25 * Dave eyes rwhitby Jul 30 12:03:45 Tig|: i'm going to try this .. howe do you put a passkey in .. with hidd? Jul 30 12:03:48 leinir, harangue! Jul 30 12:03:58 Tig|: multitap installs a gtk input method handler that works assuming input ios from multitap Jul 30 12:04:10 i press the same key N times and it cycles... until a timeout Jul 30 12:04:15 but its done gtk-side in a module Jul 30 12:04:17 not in the vkbd Jul 30 12:04:19 using Scheme would really alienate the community further.....yah go for it ;) Jul 30 12:04:26 :D Jul 30 12:04:27 haha Jul 30 12:04:31 which i suspect was not the greates idea if u want to be able to switch kbd's easily Jul 30 12:04:32 :) Jul 30 12:04:39 gee, cheer for their team, why don't you, zedstar :p Jul 30 12:04:48 raster, no kidding :P Jul 30 12:04:56 So I got the Debug board out on my GTA02 today, and actually got it to boot and reflash the nand. However, every time I think that it might be fixed, it starts to refuse to power on again :-( Jul 30 12:05:11 raster: aha, that is handy, I might write a little pygtk app that kills it when you connect a bluetooth keyboard and turns it back on after :) Jul 30 12:05:12 * zedstar loves Scheme but couldnt really see it being a main stream language ever Jul 30 12:05:14 get thee a new battery Jul 30 12:05:38 torpor: battery is 4.1V, and works fine in the GTA01 next to the GTA02. Jul 30 12:06:03 Power adapter is genuine openmoko, providing 5.1V at up to 2A. Jul 30 12:06:10 i heard that this wasn't a fair test, though rwhitby Jul 30 12:06:13 Both measures at test points on the GTA02 motherboard. Jul 30 12:06:22 you can't use the fact that it works in the gta01 as evidence that it should work in gta02 Jul 30 12:06:31 apt, kate is the advanced text editor from the KDE SDK, whose editing component is used in numerous KDE applications, such as the default editor KWrite and the integrated LaTeX editing environment Kile Jul 30 12:06:31 ...but kate is already something else... Jul 30 12:06:32 something to do with the columb counter misreading or something? Jul 30 12:06:34 needs to be reset. Jul 30 12:06:37 roll giant onion north Jul 30 12:06:53 open door Jul 30 12:06:58 torpor: also have GTA01 batteries (three of them), also at 4.1V Jul 30 12:07:04 roll giant onion through door Jul 30 12:07:05 hmm Jul 30 12:07:15 then you've buggered yer gta02s' power regulator then, eh? Jul 30 12:07:25 Tig|: u may kill the kbd - but the input method still stays Jul 30 12:07:31 as its loaded as a module by gtk apps Jul 30 12:07:39 believe me, it *aint* the battery. I've already been through multiple rounds of debugging with Andy and Werner, including taking the main can off the motherboard and checking test points under the can. Jul 30 12:07:42 i think u may be able to message gtk apps and tell them to change input methopd handlers Jul 30 12:07:45 withotu app restarts Jul 30 12:07:49 but i really am not sure Jul 30 12:08:04 rwhitby: thats what i mean, you've got a buggered gta02 Jul 30 12:08:07 power regulator onboard Jul 30 12:08:13 raster: arse :( I think that goes well beyond my basic hackery abilities :( Jul 30 12:08:17 did you do the ol' usb cable connected while no battery is in trick? Jul 30 12:08:17 u'd need to extend the input method module i think to let it know to stop cycling under certasin conditions Jul 30 12:08:18 torpor: the thing is that it sometimes works Jul 30 12:08:23 eg a particular property exists onreoot Jul 30 12:08:24 etc. Jul 30 12:08:26 or doesnt Jul 30 12:08:26 so it's not like it's permanently dea Jul 30 12:08:27 d Jul 30 12:08:40 but as such - tis problematic to use input methods for this Jul 30 12:08:40 :P Jul 30 12:08:42 torpor: that trick doesn't affect a GTA02 Jul 30 12:08:44 as it means qt doesnt work Jul 30 12:08:48 nore does efl Jul 30 12:08:51 i really want an input method that works as well as the iphones does .. Jul 30 12:08:58 or anything else - unless u write an input method module/handler for them... Jul 30 12:09:08 it'd be better if the kbd itself handled the cycle.... Jul 30 12:09:14 i know i'm being unreasonable, but i think an overlay that sits on top of the screen for key input seems like it might be possible. Jul 30 12:09:16 but thats also a tad nasty Jul 30 12:09:25 if u ewant the cycling letter to appear -inplace in the target Jul 30 12:09:27 :) Jul 30 12:09:30 rwhitby: what are you talking about? Jul 30 12:10:00 torpor: the qtopia predictive kbd is pretty good Jul 30 12:10:05 hardware frailties surrounding the freerunner? :) Jul 30 12:10:11 it improves typing like the iphones kbd Jul 30 12:10:14 raster heh Jul 30 12:10:20 but corrects your mis-typings in a different way Jul 30 12:10:20 kbd kbd kbd Jul 30 12:10:21 Dave: the last thing I was talking about was the fact that the GTA02 is designed to be able to be powered from USB without a battery inserted, as long as there was a battery in there to boot and as long as you're not transmitting GSM. Jul 30 12:10:26 thus avoiding patent issues Jul 30 12:10:27 clearly your typing is not improved :) Jul 30 12:10:42 is it a big fat buttoned overlay? Jul 30 12:10:44 but the fact the freeruners screen is smaller Jul 30 12:10:46 i haven't actually used qtopia yet. Jul 30 12:10:48 oh yeah, not having a battery Jul 30 12:10:51 i need a bluetooth dev Jul 30 12:10:56 I stand by that wholeheartedly. Jul 30 12:10:56 and is indented under a bezel means u end up with a much smaller are to use for typing Jul 30 12:10:59 like ti or not Jul 30 12:11:05 I think that's a big fail in modern mainstream phones. Jul 30 12:11:09 It also makes little sense too. Jul 30 12:11:12 and that is always going to make it harder for a full kbd to work well Jul 30 12:11:23 Dave: this is a pre-production model (but very close to production - so close that it had the final VB_SYS flying cap fix already done under the main can), so it may not be indicative of mass-production freerunner reliability Jul 30 12:11:46 :\ Jul 30 12:11:55 That's not very reassuring :) Jul 30 12:12:17 hi Jul 30 12:12:27 lo Jul 30 12:12:39 I also have two dead GTA01's but I suspect they died when a USB hub supplied 12V to them instead of 5V. They show absolutely no signs of life at any time. Jul 30 12:13:03 haha Jul 30 12:13:08 rwhitby: shitty. Jul 30 12:13:13 i've got one of those too rwhitby Jul 30 12:13:15 I can't stand devices which fail from such silliness. Jul 30 12:13:17 no idea how to get them repaired. Jul 30 12:13:38 get more gta02s Jul 30 12:13:44 torpor: they serve as two replacement screens for my one working GTA01 and my one sometimes-working GTA02 Jul 30 12:13:50 * raster applies 8243 volts to dave to see if he survives such silliness. Jul 30 12:13:51 :) Jul 30 12:13:55 hehe Jul 30 12:14:05 certainly so, raster :) Jul 30 12:14:10 PLEASE, GIVE ME MORE!!! Jul 30 12:14:11 I've taken the screen off one, and it's pretty easy to do a swap. Jul 30 12:14:11 :D Jul 30 12:14:19 rwhitby: kinky. Jul 30 12:14:23 HAHAHAH Jul 30 12:14:26 i really wish you would stop badmouthing the freerunner Jul 30 12:14:27 frankie baby! Jul 30 12:14:28 :) Jul 30 12:14:33 ;p Jul 30 12:14:44 kd8ikt: who, me? Jul 30 12:14:47 kd8ikt: who are you directing that wish towards? Jul 30 12:14:51 all of you Jul 30 12:14:55 :[ Jul 30 12:15:18 /usr/bin/env positive Jul 30 12:15:19 is it true that koolu is going to distribute the freerunner worldwide? Jul 30 12:15:31 rwhitby, so what is the voltage expected from usb hubs? 12V or 5V? do I need to carefully choose what hub to use with FR? Jul 30 12:15:32 * rwhitby looks at the backlog for traces of badmouthing ... Jul 30 12:15:35 you know what feels good in the ass? the freerunner. Jul 30 12:15:47 smhar: a correctly operating USB hub will supply 5V. Jul 30 12:15:52 * raster wonders where the badmouthing went to... Jul 30 12:16:10 smhar: 12V usb hubs don't actually exist.. Jul 30 12:16:10 smhar: a good USB hub will prevent 12V from being passed on to connected devices. Jul 30 12:16:38 rwhitby, so what was the reson for the 12V your FR got? Jul 30 12:17:02 in a perfect world, 5V and 12V power packs would have differently shaped plugs ... Jul 30 12:17:12 haha yes Jul 30 12:17:20 a GOOD usb hub Jul 30 12:17:21 :( Jul 30 12:17:23 the 5v got about 1.5 of his buddies around for a few beers Jul 30 12:17:32 ;p Jul 30 12:17:35 they had a few too many. Jul 30 12:18:21 no kidding :p Jul 30 12:18:42 is it true that koolu will distribute freerunners worldwide? Jul 30 12:18:51 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7ccf60406386 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: fix etk scrolling - new efl date. Jul 30 12:18:51 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r81a22a98db24 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev Jul 30 12:18:52 dunno Jul 30 12:18:56 ask koolu Jul 30 12:18:59 wurzelburzel4: what does their website say? Jul 30 12:19:34 there was a dude from koolu in here at once stage - is he still here? Jul 30 12:20:00 cthulhu? :o Jul 30 12:20:06 * rwhitby goes to check whether he has fixed the misleading parts of the website that I pointed out to him ... Jul 30 12:20:22 who is koolu? is it that one who rebranded FR without even mentioing openmoko anywhere in its website? Jul 30 12:20:44 haha Jul 30 12:20:51 there website says they do, but I cannot find any news on openmoko sites (but I am not in any mailing list except the announce mailing list, so I just wanted to ask here) Jul 30 12:21:19 wurzelburzel4: apparently they are an approved distributor Jul 30 12:21:55 Heh - the wording on http://koolu.com/WE-Phone/Skype-Service.html has been edited slightly so it's no longer misleading if you actually read the text :-) Jul 30 12:22:30 But this distribution does not change anything about the openmoko development itself, right? Jul 30 12:22:37 smhar: they mention openmoko on the front page of their website. Jul 30 12:22:51 skype service? Jul 30 12:22:57 everything about that is misleading! Jul 30 12:23:04 Dave: read the text carefully Jul 30 12:23:18 I could easily see how people would get overenthusiastic reading that in a hurry :p Jul 30 12:23:19 dbmoodb_: i do too, but i think it can't do that yet ;) Jul 30 12:23:21 ;) Jul 30 12:23:23 thanks though Jul 30 12:23:43 The second sentence didn't used to be there :-) Jul 30 12:23:54 (geez, that's poor grammer) Jul 30 12:24:16 poor spelling too ... Jul 30 12:24:30 ok.. I don't remember it there before.. but still their cases doen't have the logo! Jul 30 12:25:06 smhar: OM have always encouraged people to create new and different cases Jul 30 12:26:25 * rwhitby considers whether to persist with trying to get this GTA02 stable, or just push it aside and concentrate on the GTA01 Jul 30 12:26:33 well, I would rather buy directly from OM, I just hope it will be soon Jul 30 12:27:23 smhar: it seems (from my reading of the tone of emails on the list) that OM prefer that people buy from distributors Jul 30 12:27:41 ecraven: ah? Jul 30 12:28:41 rwhitby: your in aust yeah ? Jul 30 12:29:07 da 'laide Jul 30 12:29:17 dbmoodb_: yep, SA Jul 30 12:29:44 nice work o the nslugs btw Jul 30 12:29:50 thx Jul 30 12:30:16 the slugs are one thing that the freerunner is faster than ;-) Jul 30 12:30:29 although i have a buffalo linkstation.... -- :) Jul 30 12:31:00 I have two slugs in the house - neither has any storage attached (both are running from internal flash only) Jul 30 12:31:14 my main NAS is a qnap box at the moment Jul 30 12:31:44 rwhitby: which way does the micro sdcard go -- i put it in the right way before i think and it didn't see it Jul 30 12:31:48 anyone here working with erlang on the FR? Jul 30 12:32:13 openmoko: 03tick * r4563 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/pkg.c: Jul 30 12:32:13 openmoko: opkg: mark one line that cause crash. Jul 30 12:32:13 openmoko: But it will makes the system failed in reference count. Jul 30 12:32:53 dbmoodb_: if you hold the FR with the hole at the bottom, looking at the back with battery out, the big part of the SD card is on the right, and the contacts are down. Jul 30 12:32:57 sluuuuuuuuuuuugs Jul 30 12:38:05 the probelm is, I now have to order the mobile from koolu (the only distributor that ships to my country, it seems) and the spare pack from OM and the screenprotector from someone else. this way my shipping charges will reach the sky. Why can't OM offer all of these to us the rest of the world (=people outside US and EU) ? Jul 30 12:38:41 smhar: where are you located? Jul 30 12:38:55 Tig|, Bahrain Jul 30 12:39:02 hah! Jul 30 12:39:27 * Rigolo loves bahrain .... had some good times there :-) Jul 30 12:39:35 :P Jul 30 12:39:35 someone buy his freerunner at bearstech? I just receive a mail from the bearstech list -> the freerunners are coming late :( Jul 30 12:39:38 naughty times Jul 30 12:39:39 :p Jul 30 12:39:50 well .... kind off Jul 30 12:40:02 Is it bad if my freerunner starts making "noises" ? Jul 30 12:40:20 dave .. that is called a "ringtone" :-) Jul 30 12:40:26 pick up yoru phone Jul 30 12:40:31 somebody answer the phone! Jul 30 12:40:46 or at least .. hit that weird button at the top of the screen with something Jul 30 12:41:54 smhar: the closest reseller is probably the indian reseller, will they not ship there?, might be worth e-mailing them if it is not on their website Jul 30 12:42:20 rigolo: CLICK CLICK CLICK Jul 30 12:42:28 then SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECH Jul 30 12:42:34 thats bad Jul 30 12:42:40 you've got the usb plugged in and no battery right? Jul 30 12:42:40 Tig|, they do not have any page for buying, it is like they are not a webpage. Jul 30 12:42:54 Dave: Ah! Jul 30 12:42:54 it's almost reminiscent of hd failure :D Jul 30 12:42:57 but there isn't one :P Jul 30 12:43:01 That's "harmless" Jul 30 12:43:03 hahaha Jul 30 12:43:08 do you have the battery in or not? Jul 30 12:43:10 Alphaone, you know of what I speak? :O Jul 30 12:43:12 It's a kernel problem Jul 30 12:43:18 Dave: I hope so :-) Jul 30 12:43:25 * rwhitby wonders whether his GTA02 problems might be the Glamo wacky racers bug Jul 30 12:43:25 lol my random light script is pimp when sleep is set to 0 Jul 30 12:43:43 i should put a big seizure warning in the script Jul 30 12:43:50 ;) Jul 30 12:43:53 Basically there's a pin that the kernel doesn't pull low/high Jul 30 12:44:15 fun i can't turn the damn thing on from battery Jul 30 12:44:19 Which makes the GSM modem think it can update itself over the headphones jack Jul 30 12:44:33 rwhitby: zoom zoom? Jul 30 12:44:35 smhar: hmm the closest page they have is : http://www.idasystems.net/order , try sending a mail to : sales@idasystems.net also they read the community mailing list as they have posted on there several times and has been vouched for by Steve iirc Jul 30 12:44:38 And that serial chatter is what you're hearing on your speakers Jul 30 12:44:46 kd8ikt: I was thinking the exact same thing! Jul 30 12:44:54 is there a daily fso build? or just the milestone releases? Jul 30 12:44:57 alphaone: oh great -_- Jul 30 12:44:57 what? update via hardphones? like you can wistle to it to get a new firmware? Jul 30 12:45:09 Dave: So flash a new kernel and it will go away Jul 30 12:45:15 alphaone: it's not very loud, but very annoying Jul 30 12:45:19 yeah Jul 30 12:45:23 wait i should be able to turn it on from just battery... Jul 30 12:45:24 :P Jul 30 12:46:16 ayay error crcfail 0x1o3f Jul 30 12:46:54 Error, failure detected at 0xAPPLE Jul 30 12:46:57 haw Jul 30 12:47:14 Tig|, and ordering from koolu is cheaper, BD147 compared to BD195 without the shipping Jul 30 12:47:26 gah Jul 30 12:47:36 pesky countries in the middle of nowhere Jul 30 12:47:41 i'll remember to exec my crazy random led/vib script next time i hear club music Jul 30 12:47:43 and their outrageous shipping costs Jul 30 12:47:48 hot Jul 30 12:47:58 you have to have a seizurific screen to go with it! Jul 30 12:47:58 :D Jul 30 12:48:06 We should create an app menu icon for it too! Jul 30 12:48:07 smhar: do you guys still have 3 decimals in your currency? .. that was fun when you tried to implement a new (western) accounting system there :-) Jul 30 12:48:10 * Dave gets to work Jul 30 12:48:21 for the life of me i cant get xscreensavers to crosscompile Jul 30 12:48:43 * Rigolo can still see the look on the US developers faces when I told them to go back to the drawing board :-) Jul 30 12:48:44 kd8ikt: cool, then help me cross-compile some drivers :) Jul 30 12:48:47 kd8ikt: you should definitely give it a .desktop file so its easy to run. Jul 30 12:48:53 Tig|, 1 BHD = 112.385 INR 1 BHD = 2.71723 CAD , FR =20000INR = 399CAD Jul 30 12:49:04 kd8ikt: don't crosscompile. compile-on-board! Jul 30 12:49:16 torpor: !fsck Jul 30 12:49:27 torpor: great .. next your want to port gentoo to the FR :-) Jul 30 12:49:36 you'll Jul 30 12:49:46 I'm sure there's some ricers on it already Jul 30 12:49:47 Rigolo: good idea Jul 30 12:49:56 better watch out, they might run you over :P Jul 30 12:49:57 wtf, you haven't done that already? what the hell is wrong with you? openmoko sucks because you haven't done that already!!! Jul 30 12:50:00 * torpor head asplodes Jul 30 12:50:06 IT NEEDS A RACING FIN! Jul 30 12:50:15 NEEDZ MOAR NOS! Jul 30 12:50:35 * leinir throws a cowbell at Dave ;) Jul 30 12:50:41 ding! Jul 30 12:50:53 *giggles* It obviously needs more of that too ;) Jul 30 12:51:00 whats that oni actually would love gentoo onit Jul 30 12:51:04 * Dave hugs Leinir Jul 30 12:51:12 dave, and then play NFS-TD .. and use the accelerometers to implement a steering wheel like with the WiiMote :-) Jul 30 12:51:13 Rigolo, yes we still do, the smallest decimal unit is Fils, one fils is not available to anyone. the smalles usable coins are 5, 10, 25, 50, 100 and 500 Fils. once single bread is 20Fils Jul 30 12:51:14 * leinir hugs Dave right back :) Jul 30 12:51:20 i mean i'd love gentoo on the FR Jul 30 12:51:38 rigolo there are already people conspiring over that at the moment, I believe :x Jul 30 12:51:44 smhar: great .... Jul 30 12:51:49 It sounded wiitarded to me, but hey, whatever. Jul 30 12:51:58 Dave: oo then it must be ready by lunch Tom. :-) Jul 30 12:52:15 well, open-rc from gentoo would suffice me. Jul 30 12:52:18 * Dave rolls his eyes Jul 30 12:52:30 love the xscreensaver RD-bomb Jul 30 12:52:39 * Rigolo watches in amazment ..... :-) Jul 30 12:52:50 * Dave throws kernel headers at kd8ikt Jul 30 12:52:56 Rigolo, since we were a british colony, many still call the 100Fils coin a one roupee Jul 30 12:52:57 howcome the screensaver screensavers arent like easy to extract/compile on their own? Jul 30 12:53:08 all or nothin Jul 30 12:53:13 rupies! Jul 30 12:53:36 kd8ikt: your sentence, once again, makes no sense :p Jul 30 12:53:37 leinir: you just gave me a wonderful idea. Jul 30 12:53:40 smhar: I can remember being there the first time ..and seeing all the prices ... I said .. wtf .. 10K for something :-) Jul 30 12:53:49 xscreensaver screensavers Jul 30 12:53:52 uh oh Jul 30 12:53:54 that is what you get when mixing . and , :-) Jul 30 12:53:56 this can't be good :P Jul 30 12:53:59 torpor: accellerometer-powered cowbell? ;) Jul 30 12:54:01 * Dave smirks at leinir Jul 30 12:54:06 oh my god Jul 30 12:54:10 YES!!!(!(! Jul 30 12:54:12 DONG DONG DONG DONG Jul 30 12:54:12 btw how does one turn on / off the stupid mouse ? Jul 30 12:54:13 what a wonderful idea! Jul 30 12:54:18 * torpor goes off to do it. Jul 30 12:54:24 we already came up with the freerunner moobox Jul 30 12:54:42 I believe Ainulindale will be getting on with mood after he completes his work on dialer3 ;) Jul 30 12:54:52 or I am still eagerly optimistic. Jul 30 12:55:18 isn;t somebody doing that already ... can remember a video on YT where somebody had some balls he could shake around and they made bell noises when the hit each other etc Jul 30 12:55:46 hah, I thought that said mickey|hash Jul 30 12:55:49 :p Jul 30 12:56:13 rigolo, exploding bacci balls? Jul 30 12:56:39 dave ... not big metal ones :-) Jul 30 12:56:54 anyome know about my damn mouse > rofl Jul 30 12:56:59 has anyone done anything intersting with the accelerometrs yet? Jul 30 12:57:07 grenade balls? o_O Jul 30 12:57:10 what a scary game Jul 30 12:57:16 it's like russian roulette 2.0 Jul 30 12:57:16 :D Jul 30 12:57:18 bacci balls teast good ... if you talk about those italian chocolte candy thingies ;-) Jul 30 12:57:24 so, what exactly is this W.E. thing from Koolu? is it the exact GTA02 Freerunner from OM with only a differnt case? Jul 30 12:57:27 haha Jul 30 12:57:31 candy thingies!? Jul 30 12:57:40 * Dave gives leinir some candy thingies Jul 30 12:58:49 http://media.putfile.com/ATHF---Edork Jul 30 12:59:08 * kd8ikt thinks of my moko from that phone Jul 30 12:59:24 awe dude lets make a youtube moko comercial from it Jul 30 12:59:36 please. no. Jul 30 13:00:14 OMG, international shipping from Koolu takes 6-8 WEEKS!!! Jul 30 13:00:23 hahahaha Jul 30 13:00:30 hope it doesn't "fall off the boat" ;) Jul 30 13:00:50 smhar, even if I was able to ship it to you, it'd probably still cost a fortune. Jul 30 13:00:56 depends though Jul 30 13:01:20 I have no idea how much it costs to ship small light items there. Jul 30 13:01:42 children are rather weighty :p Jul 30 13:02:48 smhar: how heavy is a FR packaged etc ? 19.50 to ship up to 2 kilos internationally here Jul 30 13:03:04 hmm? Jul 30 13:03:08 UNITS PLEASE Jul 30 13:03:18 euro's Jul 30 13:03:38 * Dave knows not, of your strange currency. Jul 30 13:03:56 ok there is an option for Canada Post (1 box(es) to be shipped) (Purolator International, 2008-08-11):which costs 118.81 CAD totalling the unit to 517.87 CAD ~ BD190.5 still cheaper than getting it from EU, as we are a $ bound country Jul 30 13:04:01 kd8ikt: aargh. I hate those flash video websites, the players never work on my (adobe BLOB free) system. Jul 30 13:04:35 kd8ikt: youtube I can download, google video too, but the rest is just inaccessible. Jul 30 13:04:36 The freerunner with packaging is roughly half a kilo Jul 30 13:04:45 haha that's like $200 Jul 30 13:04:55 so is the W.E the same exact Freerunner with a new dress? Jul 30 13:05:11 So you're saying 1 freerunner will cost 200-500 USD to ship? Jul 30 13:05:17 Where do you live, the moon? Jul 30 13:05:42 Leinir it's 1lb 16oz or something Jul 30 13:05:46 I can weigh it again Jul 30 13:05:54 or read logs for the real weight Jul 30 13:06:03 I posted it last month Jul 30 13:06:22 What's with those insane, heebijeebie units?! They're made for food! Not shipping estimates! ;) Jul 30 13:06:30 *giggles* :) Jul 30 13:06:32 rawr Jul 30 13:06:48 * Dave pours sugar all over leinir Jul 30 13:07:03 Aww, but now i'm all sweet! ;) Jul 30 13:07:05 muwahahaha, indeed. >:) Jul 30 13:07:14 ;) Jul 30 13:07:43 See how devilishly delectable I am? :p Jul 30 13:07:51 even to naughty danes :p Jul 30 13:07:55 haw. Jul 30 13:07:57 *giggles* :) Jul 30 13:08:10 * leinir immediately becomes the sugar plum fairy... or something ;) Jul 30 13:08:50 * Dave watches leinir prance around fancifully. Jul 30 13:08:54 :P Jul 30 13:11:16 smhar: from .nl .. standard priority post package takes 5 to 12 days ... and cost between 23 EUR and 100EUR depending on weight (0-2kg is 23eur, 10-20kg = 100eur) Jul 30 13:12:27 lollerhout Jul 30 13:13:08 rigolo waar woon je? Jul 30 13:13:25 .nl :-) Jul 30 13:13:50 hi all Jul 30 13:17:54 btw how does one turn on usb host on the freerunner ? Jul 30 13:19:20 Is possible connect one usb webcam on freerunner do take a picture ? Jul 30 13:19:40 why the sound don't work after resume? Jul 30 13:20:30 dbmoodb_: i was under the assumtion it auto did it but i could be wrong i've yet to mess with it Jul 30 13:21:45 kd8ikt: my fault perhaps ? Jul 30 13:27:50 J_P, it is, however, some webcams might require high-speed usb 2 to take at least high-resolution pics (due to their internal, non-buffering workings). So depending on the webcam you might be limited to a lower resolution (or maybe not working at all, but I don't know if there are such cams) Jul 30 13:31:35 mjr: humm ok. I would like know when is possible connect one camra to a board and when is not possible. Because I read in somewhere about usb host and usb client.. Jul 30 13:32:18 j: try it Jul 30 13:32:34 J_P: you can only connet cameras to USB host. Jul 30 13:32:54 usb harddrives Jul 30 13:33:28 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r82a911be0f95 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [opkg] Bump up the reversion to 4563 Jul 30 13:33:54 J_P, you'd need to manually put the freerunner into host mode before attaching the camera Jul 30 13:34:03 (at least at this point) Jul 30 13:34:16 and have suitable adapters handy, of course Jul 30 13:37:37 SpeedEvil: but are there only one USB connector in freerunner.. right ? Jul 30 13:37:49 J_P: yes - it switches between. Jul 30 13:40:19 SpeedEvil: switch between what ? USB host and USB client ? This switch can be do via software ? Jul 30 13:40:23 yes Jul 30 13:41:42 is it actually possible to attach a USB hub to the neo..? so that you could put both power and a webcam on it..? Jul 30 13:42:16 Bubbi, apparently yes, by switching to logical host mode but not enabling the power output Jul 30 13:42:30 however, as hubs don't generally provide power to the host, you'll need to hack the cabling Jul 30 13:43:08 mjr: but with a powered hub it should work, shouldn't it? Jul 30 13:43:16 no. Jul 30 13:43:19 yeah.. well I think that I have read about a usb-hub that had its own powersource.. so maybe it was possible with that one.. Jul 30 13:43:21 (haven't tried this myself, but an om guy on wasit community list said something to that effect) Jul 30 13:43:26 the wires go the wrong way. Jul 30 13:43:33 You need a hacked cable, or a special hub. Jul 30 13:43:35 oh.. :( Jul 30 13:44:01 the point of a powered hub is to provide the power to the usb _gadgets_, not the host Jul 30 13:44:15 SpeedEvil: all (most ?) webcams need in other end one USB host right ? Jul 30 13:44:23 J_P: yes, all. Jul 30 13:44:30 mjr but the host (FR) has a power battery. Jul 30 13:44:50 eckhard, yes, but Bubbi was spesifically asking about getting the FR powered from the hub at the same time Jul 30 13:45:13 obviously you don't need any power hacks to hook up a hub and gadgets to that while running the FR on _internal_ power Jul 30 13:45:20 SpeedEvil: good. And what is better form to connect two webcam in freerunner ? Jul 30 13:45:58 J_P: It would drain the battery pretty fast I guess, but possible non the less Jul 30 13:46:17 thou, depending on your electronics skill, it shouldn't be to hard to make the hub provide power to the host as well Jul 30 13:46:40 AntonTakk, it should be a minor wiring operation, yeah Jul 30 13:47:05 but the plug to the fr is really small :( Jul 30 13:47:10 not a problem if you want to, say, run a robot using your freerunner ;) Jul 30 13:47:19 Bubbi: but problem is that freerunner has only one usb connect (one camera).. Jul 30 13:47:23 eckhard: plug is irrelevant, you strip a cable and wire that. Jul 30 13:48:01 J_P: If you use a USB hub, then you could connect several items to the freerunner at the same time.. Though draining the battery faster Jul 30 13:48:40 * eckhard didn't expect that a regular cable has the needed wires Jul 30 13:48:42 SpeedEvil: I was thinking buy a normal cable, cut it, and wire it in place of the original - so you don't have to compromise the sheath Jul 30 13:49:12 SpeedEvil: I think what J_P is thinking about, is the small USB connector.. J_P, all that is needed, is a converter between the two different USB connectors.. Jul 30 13:50:03 speeeeed eeeeeeeeeevil Jul 30 13:50:04 Take a USB cable that you'd normally use to charge the freerunner, cut it open and pull out the white and grey wires. Jul 30 13:50:39 Bubbi: yes, about usb hub I know. But for only two cameras, don't is possible use two in one unique connector without a hub.. Are there one "Y" cable ? :-) Jul 30 13:50:52 Now, attach the white and grey wires to the 'host' side of a cable you'd normally plug into the host. Jul 30 13:51:24 Rigolo, I wll try to gt another freind to join me in the order, maybe more, to reduce shipping cost Jul 30 13:51:31 lol http://xkcd.com/456/ Jul 30 13:51:58 kd8ikt: yup, yup :) Jul 30 13:52:38 kd8ikt: nice one ;) Jul 30 13:52:42 my sleep schedule has been fubar because of linux aswell i mean dang its 10am and i'm about to go to bed Jul 30 13:54:02 J_P: afaik, a USB y adapter that is not actually a tiny hub is impossible Jul 30 13:54:30 what about a bluetooth camera? or wifi netcam Jul 30 13:54:33 making a Y-cable? Jul 30 13:54:57 J_P: Well.. If there are that sort of cable, then it's possibly something that could be done, but that is pretty much what a usb hub is.. just several plugs that are connected in a box instead of a single wire.. Jul 30 13:55:01 i mean for christsake this thing has millions of connection points and everyone want to go straight for the usb Jul 30 13:55:12 :P Jul 30 13:55:13 hahahah Jul 30 13:55:17 yeah, the fools! Jul 30 13:55:31 kd8ikt: but no other power. Jul 30 13:55:36 expand your mind, but not so much as your brain falls out liejk mine Jul 30 13:55:43 kd8ikt: USB is teh only way you can pull out power. Jul 30 13:57:09 energon cubes Jul 30 13:57:34 how many energon cubes does the fr have? Jul 30 13:57:56 Bubbi: wow, are there very smple usb host.. without external energy.. http://www.logopremiums.com/computer-usb-hub-3317BT.jpg Jul 30 13:57:57 1200mah @7.2 Jul 30 13:58:01 volts Jul 30 13:58:21 heh Jul 30 13:58:44 so one extreemly tiny energon cube Jul 30 13:59:29 J_P: That's the way most usb hubs are made :) Only large hubs (with 6+ connectors) are normally externally powered, afaik.. Jul 30 14:00:08 good ;-) Jul 30 14:01:10 Is possible I mount (assembly) the freerunner in my country ? Or unique option is to buy it ready ? Jul 30 14:01:56 openmoko: 03tick * r4564 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (pkg.c pkg_hash.c void_list.c): Jul 30 14:01:56 openmoko: opkg: fix the crashing issue. Jul 30 14:01:56 openmoko: It's a hanging pointer. Jul 30 14:01:56 openmoko: Using installed_files without get and free Jul 30 14:01:59 J_P: the FR is assembled.. Jul 30 14:02:20 note of course that using an unpowered hub, you'll be powering the hub and the devices all from the FR, and the total maximum current is 500mA Jul 30 14:02:33 which will drain the FR faster than you can say "qtopia sucks" Jul 30 14:03:21 mjr: likely about a bit more than an hour battery life at the full 500mA Jul 30 14:03:29 mjr: ok about short battery time, but two webcam use more than 500mA ? Jul 30 14:03:35 speaking of batteries it shouldnt be too hard to find a battery that fits in the FR that has a higher mah Jul 30 14:03:36 J_P: typically Jul 30 14:03:43 kd8ikt: go for it. Jul 30 14:03:54 SpeedEvil: so, is not possible have two usb webcams in FR ? Jul 30 14:04:08 J_P: yes - with some exterior cabling and a hub. Jul 30 14:04:21 SpeedEvil: not, about max 500mA Jul 30 14:04:28 tow will be use more than that 500 ? Jul 30 14:04:33 J_P: you'd need an external power unit. Jul 30 14:04:37 ahh Jul 30 14:04:59 SpeedEvil: so I will need a usb hub with external power ... Jul 30 14:05:13 simple usb hub not :-( Jul 30 14:05:14 well there are battery-powered hubs too Jul 30 14:05:21 at least one ;) Jul 30 14:05:38 http://www.google.co.uk/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=battery+powered+USB+hub&btnG=Google+Search&meta= Jul 30 14:05:40 but honestly, this two webcams to a neo thing sounds like someone's climbing some tree ass backwards, but I don't know what Jul 30 14:05:47 http://www.amazon.com/Cyberpower-CP-H420MP-USB-Hub-Battery-Powered/dp/B0002UQALQ Jul 30 14:05:50 mjr: I need chep (simple) usb hub.. Jul 30 14:06:12 that's quite cheap Jul 30 14:06:37 anyone know how to use SDL properly on the freerunner? the way i'm using it just gives me a messed up screen, but it appears that numptyphysics is an sdl app .. Jul 30 14:06:39 J_P, yeah but why do you need two webcams hooked to your fr? Jul 30 14:06:55 SpeedEvil: are you sure that two simple usb cams will be use more than 500mA ? Jul 30 14:07:03 J_P: most I've seen will Jul 30 14:07:13 j: what are you planning on doing with these cams? Jul 30 14:07:19 You do know the FR is USB 1.1? Jul 30 14:07:47 mjr: I want to use FR as AVL with image, one image from person that are driving and other image from street.. Jul 30 14:07:50 SpeedEvil: robot eyes :) Jul 30 14:07:55 AVL? Jul 30 14:08:00 SpeedEvil: yes. but i neeed max vga image Jul 30 14:08:04 oops, i was wrong Jul 30 14:08:08 J_P: my keyboard is using more than 500 Jul 30 14:08:27 J_P: what's AVL? Jul 30 14:08:40 SpeedEvil: Automated Vehicle Locatio Jul 30 14:08:42 n Jul 30 14:08:54 J_P: ah. Jul 30 14:08:57 nobody doing SDL? Jul 30 14:08:58 well then you should be able to get power from the vehicle Jul 30 14:09:12 SpeedEvil: but I would like have image understand ? Jul 30 14:10:23 You'll need to do some work to find suitable cameras. Jul 30 14:10:32 Can you plug into the car battery? Jul 30 14:10:48 mjr: Is complicated, because two cams can use all baterry from car, and if is connect directaly from FR, I can (can right?) disable energy used from cameras when car is off Jul 30 14:11:04 SpeedEvil: look above.. Jul 30 14:11:20 SpeedEvil: make sense right Jul 30 14:11:24 Well - when the cams are turned off, they will use about under .1W. Jul 30 14:11:40 This is a few weeks with the FR off. Jul 30 14:11:57 J_P: perhaps get a cigarette lighter charger that can provice 1KmA+ and modify it to make the fr think it is it's own wall charger Jul 30 14:12:48 wow thats one killer battery inside the moko Jul 30 14:13:04 http://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/hardware/GTA02/CT-GTA02.pdf Jul 30 14:13:50 SpeedEvil: ok, imagine so that is only one camera, connect directaly to the FR, FR will be support one right. Is possible via software disable that cam (off), for cam not use energy from FR ? Jul 30 14:14:31 you can cut the FR power output certainly Jul 30 14:15:12 mjr: humm.. Jul 30 14:15:19 whats the best method of taking a screenshot from the cmd line? cat /dev/fb0 > somefile.png ? Jul 30 14:15:43 in fact you need to spesificaally enable the power output Jul 30 14:15:59 but your problem isn't that Jul 30 14:17:22 hi all Jul 30 14:17:47 mjr any chance you know how to take a screenshot from the cmd line? Jul 30 14:17:54 mjr: but if two cams not use more than 500mA. Problem can be solved cut the power output.. like as with one cam. Jul 30 14:18:24 J_P, but I presume you want to power the freerunner from the car. Unless you want it to run out of power. Jul 30 14:18:38 and then you need to power the camera from the car too Jul 30 14:18:55 mjr: yes, FR get energy from baterry car. Jul 30 14:18:57 torpor, hmh, I'm not sure what the OM images have installed, but xwd is pretty basic Jul 30 14:19:39 i want to take a screenshot of the SDL app i'm trying to get working so i can show it to someone who might have a clue what is wrong... Jul 30 14:19:41 mjr: I would like baterry car-->FR--> camera . With this I can cut energy to cam when I wnat see Jul 30 14:19:45 so i guess i'll need to do it without x.. Jul 30 14:21:06 J_P, off-the-cuff, the only way I can think of to do that is to make your car battery input electricity through a regulator circuit to the battery connectors on the neo, but I'm not sure how advisable that would be :] Jul 30 14:21:31 (thus, the neo having no battery of its own) Jul 30 14:21:40 has anyone gotten a bluetooth headset to work with phone calls? (sco type, not a2dp) Jul 30 14:22:39 mjr: you simply wire a 'USB charger' to the battery, not the ciggy socket. Jul 30 14:23:10 mjr: this will drain the battery in about a month if it's left though. Jul 30 14:23:16 uhi take that back its a 3.7volt5 batt Jul 30 14:23:17 mjr: FR can cut energy input too ? For not use ALL baterry from car .. Jul 30 14:23:22 (if the FR is powered, but in off mode) Jul 30 14:23:24 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r950ec8845663 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [opkg] Bump up the reversion of opkg to 4564 Jul 30 14:23:38 powered, but with the screen off. Jul 30 14:23:47 Suspended, it'll last lots longer. Jul 30 14:23:50 Does anybody know what is the difference between the session bus and the starter bus in the DBus API ? Jul 30 14:24:47 SpeedEvil, yeah but if the guy wants to be able to cut power to the camera from the freerunner the power to it should go through it. Not that he probably _needs_ to do it, he sounds a bit confused. Jul 30 14:25:02 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r7f7f2f407146 10/classes/autotools.bbclass: [autotools] Adding do_install_append() to autotools.bbclass Jul 30 14:25:03 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rbcbde7367fd6 10/packages/apmd/apmd_3.2.2.bb: [apmd] Correct the .la file Jul 30 14:25:50 * kd8ikt has two BL-5C nokrapia 850mah batts Jul 30 14:25:55 probably all that's necessary is to wire that usb charger thing from the battery somehow, yes, and make it feed both the cam and the neo Jul 30 14:26:12 and hope and maybe measure that the cam won't drain too much if it's not actively used ;) Jul 30 14:27:12 mjr: it must by the USB standard be under 100mA Jul 30 14:28:39 mjr: is not confuse, because imagine that I don't need more images, so I turn off (cut output energy to usb) and so car in off and cams in off FR will be baterry life very long. FR can use baterry from car, but when for example FR use 50% energy from car, So freerunner cut inut energy and will be off after terminate baterry of FR. And baterry car not will be off. Person yet can start the car.. Jul 30 14:28:51 SpeedEvil, it can be deinitialized from the usb host? Jul 30 14:28:58 mjr: turn off USB host mode Jul 30 14:29:17 SpeedEvil, and it will deinitialize it even if it still gets power? Jul 30 14:29:18 J_P: you can simply power the FR down if car hasn't moved in a couple weeks. Jul 30 14:29:23 Nomad_Mk2: yes Jul 30 14:29:26 mkj: Jul 30 14:29:29 ack Jul 30 14:30:23 J_P, you are confused. The FR can't simultaneously take power via usb and feed power via usb. But that isn't a real problem here. Jul 30 14:31:56 as SpeedEvil says, as long as we can deinit the camera and perhaps suspend the freerunner, the drain on the car battery will be very small Jul 30 14:32:21 (not that the camera _should_ take much power even when initialized if not used, but well, guarantees are better than shoulds) Jul 30 14:32:27 mjr: ahh. To charge the FR is via USB ? Is not like the other cell phones? via a special conenctor ? Jul 30 14:33:14 yess Jul 30 14:33:38 I thought you'd have that basic detail covered if you were considering FR for a custom system... Jul 30 14:33:40 mjr: so I never will be charge input power and output (usb) power simultaneusly Jul 30 14:37:40 mjr: I was thinking to do this too the nokia 6110/6210. has GSM+GPS+2 cams.. Jul 30 14:38:41 the latest FSO has come a long way from milestone1 Jul 30 14:39:33 nobody in here hacking on SDL? Jul 30 14:42:08 oooo oooo i'm getting an error If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.--- what should i do ? Jul 30 14:42:25 is there a daily fso build? or just the milestone releases? Jul 30 14:42:27 trying to build otr plugin for pidgin Jul 30 14:42:47 dbmoodb_: building pdgin for the FR? Jul 30 14:43:58 ah ? Jul 30 14:44:05 no just otr -- its a plugin which i use Jul 30 14:44:39 mmmm /me would like to have an IM app on the FR Jul 30 14:44:42 torpor: i hack stuff which uses SDL, but not on OM, if that's any help Jul 30 14:44:57 its complaining about no acceptable compiler in path after i installed gcc Jul 30 14:45:09 Rigolo: ---> pidgin is available from that cat guy Jul 30 14:45:18 that cat guy :-) Jul 30 14:45:20 lol Jul 30 14:45:27 toggles_1: http://pastie.org/244077 Jul 30 14:45:48 donomo: thanks Jul 30 14:46:08 yeah anyone going to help me out ? Jul 30 14:51:37 toggles_1: there is tons of new functionalty, though overall it got slower and i cant get it to dial. :( Jul 30 14:51:52 s/dial/call out/ Jul 30 14:51:53 donomo meant: toggles_1: there is tons of new functionalty, though overall it got slower and i cant get it to call out. :( Jul 30 14:57:00 can anyone confirm the following issue with fs0 milestone2 ? Unable to create entries in phonebook with character strings longer than 13 characters in lenght? Jul 30 14:58:22 folken: I can't create any new entries Jul 30 14:58:38 bumbl: using the lower middle button on the screen? Jul 30 14:58:58 I mean, I can create them, but they don't seem to be saved Jul 30 14:59:11 bumbl: longer then 13 chars? Jul 30 14:59:53 folken: do you mean the daily image? milestone2 is not out yet right? Jul 30 14:59:55 I tested it with 3 and 5 chars Jul 30 15:00:01 donomo: ms2 is out Jul 30 15:00:05 donomo: ms2 is out Jul 30 15:00:12 13 chars thats a long name Jul 30 15:00:27 donomo: http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ Jul 30 15:00:32 folken: thx Jul 30 15:00:40 folken: I just created an entry with 17 or so characters Jul 30 15:01:00 kd8ikt: my realname is longer than 13 chars (Pre and Surname) Jul 30 15:01:44 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r23ed84fc7209 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [splinter] Bump up the reversion of splinter to 507 Jul 30 15:02:39 alphaone: on milestone2 ? Jul 30 15:02:53 folken: yeah, pretty much Jul 30 15:02:58 :) Jul 30 15:03:01 alphaone: does it show up in the addressbook? Jul 30 15:03:05 yeah Jul 30 15:03:26 oh wow nice an official milestone Jul 30 15:03:27 alphaone: freerunner or neo ? Jul 30 15:03:53 mines a 29 build aswell but i cant add contacts Jul 30 15:04:15 folken: FR Jul 30 15:04:27 But I can't seem to delete it Jul 30 15:04:28 alphaone: ah , i got a neo1973. Jul 30 15:04:59 alphaone: can't delete entries either. Jul 30 15:05:09 kd8ikt: my name is 15 chars long Jul 30 15:05:14 I was able to delete another one Jul 30 15:05:37 16 if you count " " Jul 30 15:06:15 bumbl: you are spending waaay to many bytes with that name.. you haven't thought of changing it to something shorter..? :D Jul 30 15:06:38 Bubbi: no not yet ;) Jul 30 15:07:32 heh Jul 30 15:07:34 clowns. Jul 30 15:07:57 Chox: what..? :D Jul 30 15:08:13 alphaone: bei mir werden gemachte einträge nicht angezeigt Jul 30 15:08:22 hm i tried making an unbelievably long contact name+number and i dont see it saved Jul 30 15:08:47 kd8ikt: i tried 1234567890abc that worked Jul 30 15:08:54 adding a d didn't . Jul 30 15:09:17 mine was like kajhdsfos sadifu weo sduf poi u;flsad foiasdu fkl with a number of similair length Jul 30 15:09:32 and its nowhere to be found Jul 30 15:09:58 kd8ikt: have you got a neo or a freerunner? Jul 30 15:10:10 neorunner Jul 30 15:10:16 GTA02 Jul 30 15:10:17 argh. :) Jul 30 15:11:11 somethin wrong Jul 30 15:11:26 ? Jul 30 15:12:31 Choxrunner Jul 30 15:12:43 yessir! Jul 30 15:14:31 yeah your def right that create new contact thing is bugged Jul 30 15:14:39 you're. Jul 30 15:15:48 he's my little puppy dog spelling correcor bitch Jul 30 15:16:55 ah guys i still can't use gcc on my phone Jul 30 15:17:04 "doesn't work" :o Jul 30 15:17:29 Chox: well dah ;0 Jul 30 15:17:42 * Chox suggests opkg install binutils Jul 30 15:17:50 ! fsck Jul 30 15:17:50 but that's a guess without errors. Jul 30 15:18:06 i opkg install gcc and there was nothing on that / suggestion Jul 30 15:18:15 * dbmoodb_ lables a bug wanders off Jul 30 15:18:16 I know, the package is missing dependencies. Jul 30 15:18:37 if this works i'm putting it on the wiki Jul 30 15:18:43 I'm so good, I can guess the answer without knowing the error. Jul 30 15:18:47 very good. Jul 30 15:19:22 well i was getting another error on my desop -- something about m4 blah Jul 30 15:19:24 the gta01 is called the neo and the gta02 has "NEO" written on the front. thats not confusing at all. Jul 30 15:19:49 donomo: hell no one has wifi Jul 30 15:20:02 Chox: you loose still doesn't work Jul 30 15:20:21 the pulsating yin/yang is odd Jul 30 15:21:16 Chox: any other suggestions ? Jul 30 15:21:17 i love htop Jul 30 15:23:16 i get no cell carrier registration notice. anyone making calls with milestone2? Jul 30 15:26:00 * Chox needs an error. Jul 30 15:26:06 error error Jul 30 15:26:06 and no, I'm not loose, I'm tied down. Jul 30 15:26:17 kd8ikt: htop doesnt launch for me. i thought it was a game :) Jul 30 15:26:42 lose* Jul 30 15:27:14 and in anycase, you still need bintutils, unless all you want is assembler :o Jul 30 15:27:59 sure Chox but i'm having trouble compiing anyways Jul 30 15:28:15 * Chox still waiting for that error. Jul 30 15:28:19 oh its the dreaded 'no dbus' msg Jul 30 15:28:44 oh sure Jul 30 15:28:48 give me a sec Jul 30 15:28:57 any reason why the battery indicator flip-flops from red/empty to green/full? Jul 30 15:30:10 or better yet, why does the battery indicator show low battery when i've been charging it all night Jul 30 15:30:41 sounds unrooly. Jul 30 15:30:42 configure.ac:17: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_LIBOTR If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation. Jul 30 15:30:47 that's it Jul 30 15:31:04 sounds like you need libotr, whatever that is. Jul 30 15:31:07 hmh.. htop is nice indeed Jul 30 15:31:13 thanks for a hint Jul 30 15:31:17 in any case, that error's not from GCC Jul 30 15:31:23 ah yes that's a good point Jul 30 15:31:59 where's CaptnObvious when I need him? Jul 30 15:32:31 Chox: well how does one compile libotr and link these things then ? Jul 30 15:32:38 Ah, here he is: http://www.bluelinecomics.com/New%20Blue%20Lines/Captain%20Obvious%205%20finished.jpg Jul 30 15:32:54 Chox: want to help out a beggingered Jul 30 15:33:18 dbmoodb_: well, that depends. I don't have time, I'm afraid, but it's probably not hard. Jul 30 15:33:56 Chox: probably not just trying to get libotr and the otr plugin for pidgin onto my openmoko -- pidgin is already there Jul 30 15:33:59 is there any way to cat the actual data being reported on for the battery power as a numerical figure? Jul 30 15:34:30 apm Jul 30 15:35:52 trying out zhone for the first time Jul 30 15:37:53 swc|666: there is a lot of stuff in /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/ Jul 30 15:38:07 * swc|666 looks... Jul 30 15:39:07 * Quai just compiled thttpd for his fr Jul 30 15:40:27 :) Jul 30 15:40:49 dbmoodb_: how does piding on the FR look like? can you make a screenshot? Jul 30 15:46:32 Rigolo: its cool Jul 30 15:46:41 Rigolo: make me an otr and i will swap you ;) Jul 30 15:47:00 otr: offer to refuse ? :-) Jul 30 15:47:06 i'm making me an otr atm Jul 30 15:47:08 have to cook dinner .... Jul 30 15:47:18 oh ah yeah will do later -- it looks really good Jul 30 15:47:28 be back later .... but still would like to see a screenshot Jul 30 15:48:01 sure Jul 30 15:48:28 AYAAYAY its a building Jul 30 15:49:06 hello Jul 30 15:49:32 hi guys, does opkg update still break the neo? Jul 30 15:49:40 i'm a bit scary that my neo tries to kill the battery Jul 30 15:49:57 die! battery die! Jul 30 15:50:04 yesterday yes. but i uploaded a new kernel with dfuutil then it worked Jul 30 15:50:06 thomasgruebler: #neo1973-germany *hint* Jul 30 15:50:12 thanks Jul 30 15:50:20 Is there a way for the freerunner to keep the nameserver that I have to write every time I connect it to my ubuntu desktop..? Jul 30 15:50:43 Bubbi: yes. Jul 30 15:50:43 Bubbi: /etc/network/interface Jul 30 15:50:48 everytime I restart it or just reconnect it to the desktop. it removes it.. Jul 30 15:50:51 .. Jul 30 15:50:56 weatherhead: which distribution? Jul 30 15:50:57 Bill_, Chox.. and..? Jul 30 15:51:11 or just keep it as the desktop, and do the iptables thing as in the USB Networking guide. Jul 30 15:51:12 the file is selfexplanitory Jul 30 15:51:26 Bill_: to hax linuxh hexpert, it is. Jul 30 15:51:30 han. Jul 30 15:51:41 ow.. sry :) Jul 30 15:51:49 :o Jul 30 15:52:39 net_tux: any of them I guess, I'm getting a freerunner tomorrow, and my first instinct on any linux box is to update all the packages to the bleeding edge :-) Jul 30 15:52:52 I ain't afraid of no ghost. Jul 30 15:53:04 but I write C++/Qt so I'll probably install some Qt type image Jul 30 15:54:09 weatherhead: I've only used the 2007.2 one and haven't had any problems with updates Jul 30 15:54:09 if I remember correctly from the community list, it was only a specific distro that had a problem with updates (ASU?) Jul 30 15:54:21 ASU = curse of freerunner. Jul 30 15:54:36 Hey.. nice guys.. :P thanks.. Jul 30 15:54:40 net_tux: am I right in thinking though that ASU is the only way to get Qt on it? Jul 30 15:54:47 no Jul 30 15:54:53 opkg install random_qt_crap Jul 30 15:55:07 can I get a Qt evironment even on the GTK image? Jul 30 15:55:16 ish. Jul 30 15:55:26 when the FR has been suspended (pressing the powerbutton in FSOmilestone2), can it still receive calls? Jul 30 15:55:41 weatherhead: one thing I ran in to the first time I upgraded is that both the ssh server and the x server get upgraded and restarted Jul 30 15:55:41 so, if you upgrade via ssh, you get your connection terminated before the upgrade finished and if you do it from the terminal, it gets killed when x gets restarted Jul 30 15:55:41 oh well I guess I'll just do an update as soon as I have it connected to t'internet then Jul 30 15:55:45 it's really just combinations of the same packages. Bit like Ubuntu vs Kubuntu Jul 30 15:56:00 weatherhead: it's just a matter of having the right libs Jul 30 15:56:05 cool Jul 30 15:56:07 opkg install dropbear >/dev/null 2>&1 & Jul 30 15:56:22 weatherhead: so, I did the upgrade from a screen session, however, note that when you run screen you have to wait a while for it to start (ie, it seems to hang) Jul 30 15:56:42 or that works :) Jul 30 15:56:44 is there a viable graphical wifi configurator yet? Jul 30 15:57:03 weatherhead: nope.. but lint is on its way Jul 30 15:57:08 ko Jul 30 15:57:16 what about moki, or whatever it's called Jul 30 15:57:33 Bill_: could you please link me to lint ? Jul 30 15:57:40 sec Jul 30 15:58:01 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Lint-wifi Jul 30 15:58:02 thanks Jul 30 16:05:43 has anyone succeeded answering a call with the button on an analog headset? what's the page on the wiki for this? Jul 30 16:10:31 why does the phone boot every time i plug it into usb? Jul 30 16:16:20 rooly: the topic should give you a hint! Jul 30 16:16:38 especially the section on software status! Jul 30 16:17:12 well, yeah, i know that. i'm not particularly worried by it. Jul 30 16:17:20 but it IS rather annoying when i just want it off to charge Jul 30 16:18:37 rooly. it won't charge unless it runs... Jul 30 16:18:47 ic Jul 30 16:18:53 well that makes plenty sense then Jul 30 16:19:00 alrighty Jul 30 16:19:08 the charging control is implenten in kernel Jul 30 16:19:29 now anothre question, why does it keep insisting that my battery is dead when i've been charging it for an entire day Jul 30 16:19:46 cos the s/w sucks. Jul 30 16:20:05 ok Jul 30 16:20:27 rooly: after letting it charge when kernel is runing? Jul 30 16:20:33 last question: why did they shy away from the older neo1973 gui? Jul 30 16:20:37 yeah, Bill_ Jul 30 16:20:47 hmh.. that's weird Jul 30 16:21:17 it switches back and forth from displaying a red battery icon to a green one actually Jul 30 16:21:29 ah. that's a known bug Jul 30 16:21:30 haven't really had it long enough to find a test case Jul 30 16:21:43 it just misreads the status once in a while Jul 30 16:21:47 Bill_: what is that bug number ... I saw that today also Jul 30 16:21:57 i don't recall Jul 30 16:23:15 but yeah, why'd they change the gui from the more phone-like version released with the 1973 Jul 30 16:24:04 rooly: 2007.2 or ASU? Jul 30 16:24:14 honestly, not sure Jul 30 16:24:18 the one in all the screenshots Jul 30 16:24:31 with illume? Jul 30 16:24:36 black scrollable menu and stuff? Jul 30 16:24:43 rooly: there are alot of screenshots, from different distros.. Jul 30 16:24:48 no, with the radial dialer Jul 30 16:24:57 ??? Jul 30 16:25:05 an example shot would be nice Jul 30 16:25:10 http://cybernetnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/openmoko.jpg Jul 30 16:25:17 rooly: you mean that they switched from that right..? Jul 30 16:25:32 well, i don't have that one on my phone Jul 30 16:25:45 hmh.. i haven't seen that actually Jul 30 16:25:54 "a lot", thanks. Jul 30 16:25:55 it looks like just some skin on top of gtk Jul 30 16:25:57 rooly: It just wasn't a very easy to use control, so they removed it, i believe Jul 30 16:26:05 alrightuy Jul 30 16:26:20 It was one of the earliest releases, that had that kind of controller.. Jul 30 16:26:42 As far as I know, that is.. Jul 30 16:26:49 i'm all questioned out then Jul 30 16:26:49 3~/join #centerim Jul 30 16:26:52 oops Jul 30 16:26:52 happiness abounds Jul 30 16:27:38 dbmoodb_: well ... at least that one is inocent :-) Jul 30 16:27:42 ok Jul 30 16:27:44 cowbell fans? Jul 30 16:27:54 torpor: you I can remember :-) Jul 30 16:28:29 eh? Jul 30 16:28:36 what'd i do totally wrong now? Jul 30 16:28:48 Rigolo: ? Jul 30 16:29:21 dbmoodb_: you typed in the wrong window .. or pasted something .. i thought ... Jul 30 16:30:14 anyone running scaredy's stuff on their freerunner? Jul 30 16:30:30 torpor: yeah me -- that's where pidgin came from Jul 30 16:30:39 Rigolo: didn't paste just mistyped Jul 30 16:30:44 dbmoodb_: pidgin? Jul 30 16:30:47 oh, ok. Jul 30 16:30:52 a friend wonders if the freerunner feels plastic Jul 30 16:30:55 so is it better than the current official release/ Jul 30 16:30:56 ? Jul 30 16:30:56 dbmoodb_: okee ... like I said ... it was an innocent one ... Jul 30 16:31:00 !pidgin Jul 30 16:31:08 ~pidgin Jul 30 16:31:11 damn no bot Jul 30 16:31:16 i just realized i've been a week now with the factory OS, and forgot completely about putting something else on there for .. like .. 7 days. Jul 30 16:31:21 apt: pidgin Jul 30 16:31:33 zash: its no good Jul 30 16:31:36 torpor: well .. that sounds like a good thing then :-) Jul 30 16:31:41 i'm sitting here going 'why the f-in' doesn't SDL work, and then i realized it worked great on scaredy, on my neo1973 (until i broke my neo1973) Jul 30 16:32:19 so .. hmm .. suffer borked 'official' SDL build, build it myself (no thanks), or switch distor's entirely. Jul 30 16:32:26 bummer i already loaded this thing up already. Jul 30 16:32:32 torpor: just add Jul 30 16:32:40 zash: The freerunner doesn't feel cheap.. i've bought rather expensive nokia phones that feel a lot more like a bunch of plastic than the neo.. Jul 30 16:33:03 at least it's not a posey iPhone Jul 30 16:33:04 the freerunner have a soft rubbery surface.. can't really define it, but I like it.. :) Jul 30 16:33:07 torpor: How's the cowbell comin'? ;) Jul 30 16:33:14 Bubbi: Absolutely agree :) Jul 30 16:33:17 leinir: rotflcopter. Jul 30 16:33:39 Bubbi: thanks, i'll tell him that Jul 30 16:33:51 :) Jul 30 16:33:55 Chox: *giggles* i'd not really thought about it like an actual application... but i absoutely see it as a totally stupid and vital part of this project ;D Jul 30 16:34:04 leiner: working on it man, working on it .. ;) Jul 30 16:34:23 "moo" Jul 30 16:34:24 Bubbi: yeah i agree with you on the feel, i've come to enjoy its company a bit in my shirt pocket. its solid. Jul 30 16:34:31 Hey that's my idea ! :-) Jul 30 16:34:43 torpor: Brilliant ;) Jul 30 16:34:55 leinir: what project? Jul 30 16:35:16 torpor: Openmoko :) Jul 30 16:35:16 Ainulindale: i know, but if you don't write the code, you don't get to be the smartass who posts it to the world. Jul 30 16:35:19 oh Jul 30 16:35:22 whats openmoko .. ? Jul 30 16:35:31 Hello. Is the USB networking broken in the newest kernel maybe? Jul 30 16:35:33 torpor: anyhow, it's not possible right now. Jul 30 16:36:05 torpor: Openmoko as a community project, not a product or company :) Jul 30 16:36:08 Is there any wiki page about how to set the freerunner to usb host mode? Jul 30 16:36:15 leinir: what? Jul 30 16:36:29 Lukas__: there is. wiki.openmoko.org Jul 30 16:36:43 leinir: what is that.. a cowbell..? You want to make a cowbell application.. let me get the facts.. :P Sounds funny Jul 30 16:37:00 My idea again ! It's stealing ! :-) Jul 30 16:37:17 torpor: I cant find it... Jul 30 16:37:19 Ainulindale: You came up with cowbell too? Nicely, it must now happen for more people came up with it! ;) Jul 30 16:37:34 Ainulindale: stop yer fibs! Jul 30 16:37:45 leinir: check the logs, learn the truth. Jul 30 16:37:46 * Rigolo feels an other stealing/IP/property/theft discussion comming :-) Jul 30 16:37:47 leinir: I launched the idea here, yep. Jul 30 16:37:54 whoever thought of it first :) was the point of it, that you could use the accelerometers for it..? Jul 30 16:37:56 Bubbi: A cowbell? Well... It's a musical instrument, basically... It goes "bong" metallically when you hit it :) Jul 30 16:38:00 arrr, pirates. Jul 30 16:38:02 leinir: well... afaik the company is named 'openmoko' as well. Jul 30 16:38:09 But anyhow as I said, as the accelerometers are not usable right now, it's a dead end Jul 30 16:38:11 ~usb host Jul 30 16:38:12 what part of *open* isn't a cowbell allowed to be cowbell? Jul 30 16:38:19 Bubbi: It is also a silly joke, which comes from the term "Needs more cowbell!" ;) Jul 30 16:38:44 haha.. alright.. :P But still.. why not.. :D Jul 30 16:38:52 leinir: actually, I thought it was funny due to my mention yesterday torpor mooing here and on the mailing list. Jul 30 16:39:21 Chox: The flip-it-to-make-it-go-moo idea? Yeah, brilliant idea that one too *giggles* equally stupid, and thus just as important ;) Jul 30 16:39:32 no, not that. as in "moo" == complaining. Jul 30 16:39:33 hahaha Jul 30 16:39:47 that was today Jul 30 16:40:01 wtf? Jul 30 16:40:05 but leinir, it's a good idea with the "moo" sound as well, when you flip it.. :P Jul 30 16:40:11 was yesterday, at least in this timezone :o Jul 30 16:40:23 Chox: Right :) Jul 30 16:40:35 at least 22 hours ago. Jul 30 16:40:43 Bubbi: *giggles* Really stupid, and absolutely great, yes :) Jul 30 16:40:46 that is considered yesterday.. :P Jul 30 16:40:58 hehe.. but what was that about the accelerometers not working..? Jul 30 16:41:02 Does anyone know if there is any wiki page about how to set the freerunner to usb host mode? Jul 30 16:41:09 they don't give the right data yet or what..? Jul 30 16:41:10 there is. Jul 30 16:41:11 Well, the accellerometers not working... that is rather sucky Jul 30 16:41:13 dunno where thou. Jul 30 16:41:19 Bubbi: third time I say that Jul 30 16:41:26 Accelerometers are not usable Jul 30 16:41:41 If they were I would have developed mood a week ago :-) Jul 30 16:41:47 not usable as cowbells? Jul 30 16:41:48 Ainulindale: I'm not saying that i'm not listening to you, but I was just wanting to know why.. :) Jul 30 16:41:51 wtf, they give data! Jul 30 16:41:58 its just they block on read and thats gay Jul 30 16:42:16 torpor: If you want to have a permanent cpu usage of 60% go ahead Jul 30 16:47:30 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r458ce1cfd5c3 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: new efl and illume versions - internal kbd now config option. code default is Jul 30 16:47:31 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc7ab3ea6a487 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: fix etk scrolling - new efl date. Jul 30 16:47:32 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r84427d532d2f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [splinter] Bump up the reversion of splinter to 505 Jul 30 16:47:33 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r26199aeec7cf 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [diversity] Bump up the reversion of diversity-daemon to 483 Jul 30 16:47:34 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r6e7662bd44f6 10/packages/packagekit/ (files/remove_search_memory_leak.patch packagekit_git.bb): [packagekit] Add a patch for packagekit Jul 30 16:47:37 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5324ae1cdd51 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [opkg] Bump up the reversion of opkg to 4562 Jul 30 16:47:42 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8ab5cb157ff6 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [opkg] Bump up the reversion to 4563 Jul 30 16:47:45 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * reac671e4cf35 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [opkg] Bump up the reversion of opkg to 4564 Jul 30 16:47:48 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r072c0f7a0449 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [splinter] Bump up the reversion of splinter to 507 Jul 30 16:47:53 openmoko: 03zecke * r14892684e5e3 10/devices/ficgta01/src/plugins/phonevendors/ficgta01/vendor_ficgta01.cpp: [ficgta] Do not handle NO CARRIER or BUSY... as we have %CPI for that Jul 30 16:48:33 wheeee. Jul 30 16:51:07 all that means that there's a new asu update, right..? Jul 30 16:51:10 :) Jul 30 16:55:36 brb Jul 30 17:08:20 torpor: do you know if there is an wiki page about how to put the usb in host mode or did you just want me to search the wiki myself? Jul 30 17:12:18 hm Jul 30 17:12:36 is whatever image make qemu gets broken? Jul 30 17:12:47 i get this http://pic.zash.se/screenshot1-1.png Jul 30 17:13:02 and it wont do anything Jul 30 17:17:19 thew \o/ Jul 30 17:18:20 what Chox? Jul 30 17:19:11 \o\ \o| |o| |o/ /o/ Jul 30 17:19:37 heh.. you're just a happy little hacker right now..? Jul 30 17:20:52 My power menu doesn't obey me anymore Jul 30 17:21:04 It forgot who's the master Jul 30 17:21:12 I am. Jul 30 17:21:17 or Dave, in my absense Jul 30 17:21:21 :) Jul 30 17:21:27 td: you mean getting delivery of, or ordering tomorrow? Jul 30 17:21:29 oops Jul 30 17:22:02 Do you know if there's a configuration file for this menu, btw? Jul 30 17:22:09 Or is it all hardcoded? Jul 30 17:23:10 McKael: to fix this - see http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qu4EQqOBYwU Jul 30 17:24:48 SpeedEvil: :) Jul 30 17:24:50 hi, I am completely lost. I wanna flash the ASU 07-21 snapshot. Is it here? http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080721/ Jul 30 17:25:02 * LionKMP (got Neo yesterday :) ) Jul 30 17:25:25 I can't find uImage on that dir, as http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner mentions. Jul 30 17:27:50 LionKMP: Go back a day or two - you don't always get a uImage for a specific day :) Jul 30 17:28:04 LionKMP: I think ASU is qtopia-x11 Jul 30 17:28:23 wow. and will it work with 0721 openmoko jffs2? (the older uImage?) or will they have to match? Jul 30 17:28:37 McKael: yes, I think that too. (I hope so, at least :) ) Jul 30 17:28:40 It will work with the newer rootfs :) Jul 30 17:29:01 muh. Jul 30 17:29:05 Oh sorry, missed your message about the uImage Jul 30 17:29:07 leinir: great, many thanks! Jul 30 17:29:30 McKael: no prob, any confirmation of my belief is good :) Jul 30 17:29:30 That is indeed it - ASU is qtopia-x11-lalalala, and just so you know it, the Qtopia image is the one available from qtopia.net :) Jul 30 17:29:50 I want OpenMoko OS for OpenMoko phone, not Qt os :) Jul 30 17:30:04 Damn, my sdcard got corrupted again Jul 30 17:30:28 I want the moon on a stick Jul 30 17:30:29 LionKMP: Sure thing, just helping you with terminology :) there's a lot of people who call ASU qtopia ;) Jul 30 17:30:43 hehe :-) Jul 30 17:31:13 (i happen to enjoy the qtopia software quite a lot, but i know not everybody's going to agree with me there ;) ) Jul 30 17:31:17 Really, a daily symlink to the latest uImage would be nice Jul 30 17:31:23 what are those all "lowlevel-*" files? Jul 30 17:31:34 McKael: yes, I am still finding. :) 10th now, July. Jul 30 17:32:36 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080703/ has uImage :) Jul 30 17:33:08 the "short" names like openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2 are symlinks to the long, aren't them? Jul 30 17:33:54 LionKMP: yep Jul 30 17:34:49 lowlevel-* anybody? Jul 30 17:36:55 LionKMP: Used for setting registers while flashing u-boot w/debug board. Jul 30 17:37:29 hm, well, ok, debug board stuff, then I won't need that. thanks :) Jul 30 17:41:30 does it matter which uboot i log, when just kernel and jffs is going to be updated? (Wiki is confusing) Jul 30 17:42:23 LionKMP: sorry? Jul 30 17:42:37 NAND or NOR uboot? Jul 30 17:42:42 oh Jul 30 17:42:43 ok Jul 30 17:42:47 Any, AFAICT Jul 30 17:42:58 NOR is said to be used by developers, I just want to update. (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_the_Neo_FreeRunner) Jul 30 17:42:59 Both are fine Jul 30 17:43:15 well, ok, I try. :) NAND. Jul 30 17:43:17 Use NOR if you want to flash uboot Jul 30 17:43:32 yes, I don't want. Just kernel and jffs. Jul 30 17:43:34 for kernel and rootfs both will work Jul 30 17:43:56 great. (I joined the documentation team, so now at least I am getting some view of the things to fix ;-) ) Jul 30 17:44:11 stupid committee :p Jul 30 17:44:16 :D Jul 30 17:45:36 error message :( http://pastebin.com/m68a4af33 Jul 30 17:46:22 LionKMP: nope! Jul 30 17:46:39 dfu-utils is to be used on the _host_ Jul 30 17:46:48 -s Jul 30 17:46:55 yes, it is on my Mandriva Jul 30 17:47:04 oh Jul 30 17:47:05 sorry for openmoko in the path name :) Jul 30 17:47:12 it's called openmoko? Jul 30 17:47:18 ok :) Jul 30 17:47:21 no, localhost, then dir name :) ok Jul 30 17:47:21 got it :) Jul 30 17:47:39 hm, it turns off quite fast Jul 30 17:47:43 Can you see the FR with lsusb? Jul 30 17:48:02 brb Jul 30 17:48:09 it is flashhing now, with the other uboot Jul 30 17:56:16 Is it safe to do an upgrade yet? Jul 30 17:56:21 nope. Jul 30 17:56:24 it will eat your wiki. Jul 30 17:57:12 loool Jul 30 17:57:31 gps-external antenna adapter: http://www.google.de/search?q=MXHS83QE3000. Cheers, jOERG :-) Jul 30 17:57:40 * Yashy wonders why that is a funny question? Jul 30 18:01:26 hey guys. anybody got openmoko-panel-alarm as a ipk? Jul 30 18:01:44 :-) Jul 30 18:02:01 WAAAAH, SORRY!!! Meant: "*GSM*-adapter" !!! Jul 30 18:02:37 burp. Jul 30 18:02:44 grape soad. oh yeah. Jul 30 18:02:47 soda. Jul 30 18:08:39 i don't get this: Jul 30 18:08:40 NOTE: Several people have had problems with the latest toolchain built 20080521. If you experience errors, try an older version. (as of July 23, 2008) Jul 30 18:08:49 isn't july 23 later than may 21? Jul 30 18:17:04 Guilt: hmm usually yes Jul 30 18:17:05 FSO reached milestone 2 Jul 30 18:17:07 nice Jul 30 18:17:27 no terminal on asu? how to setup usb network on asu? Jul 30 18:18:41 bipak: that wiki. incorrigible Jul 30 18:20:12 how does FSO look like.. Is it just the 2007.02 layout..? Jul 30 18:20:57 or is it just a framework..? Jul 30 18:23:24 perl == <3 :) Jul 30 18:23:26 http://pastebin.com/m7c1993d0 Jul 30 18:29:32 Guilt: I think it means the problem still exists as of July 23rd Jul 30 18:29:42 Elleo: thanks. Jul 30 18:29:50 although I didn't encounter any problems with the latest toolchain Jul 30 18:29:52 can you guys pass me your default alsa settings? Jul 30 18:30:00 well, latest as of a week or so ago Jul 30 18:30:05 Okay, bad news guys. Jul 30 18:30:07 Elleo: i'm not able to use opkg with the current toolchain Jul 30 18:30:12 * DaveLab hails Joerg Jul 30 18:30:19 DaveLab: any good news following? Jul 30 18:30:22 what happened, Dave Jul 30 18:30:38 Elleo: and om-conf for the sample doesnt work. really Jul 30 18:30:48 Guilt: what happens? Jul 30 18:31:21 it tells me about some erroneous path Jul 30 18:31:29 Bubbi: the FSO image is pretty much just a dialer Jul 30 18:31:39 when i try to build it, it gives me some erroneous path /fic/blah Jul 30 18:32:02 I take it you sourced the setup-env file? Jul 30 18:32:06 yes Jul 30 18:32:21 not sure then, sorry Jul 30 18:33:05 Guilt I fear this freerunner has been exploded :D Jul 30 18:33:07 or melted :P Jul 30 18:33:09 or something! Jul 30 18:33:11 whee Jul 30 18:33:23 I'm trying to power cycle it at the moment. Jul 30 18:33:46 It basically turns on to the openmoko orange screen as per usual when first powered on, but just stays there forever Jul 30 18:33:50 and the device gets extremely hot! Jul 30 18:33:57 This is very concerning. Jul 30 18:34:16 as it worked perfectly this morning, beyond the cursor bug. Jul 30 18:34:19 libtool: link: cannot find the library `/space/fic/openmoko-daily/neo1973/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/pango-1.18.3-r0/pango-1.18.3/pango/libpangoft2-1.0.la' or unhandled argument `/space/fic/openmoko-daily/neo1973/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/pango-1.18.3-r0/pango-1.18.3/pango/libpangoft2-1.0.la' Jul 30 18:34:27 Shit :( Jul 30 18:34:31 haha Jul 30 18:34:32 D! Jul 30 18:34:32 yeah. i've observed that too Jul 30 18:34:34 yeah, fucking pango Jul 30 18:34:37 I remember that, Jul 30 18:34:44 Guilt looks like you're trying to build the toolchain? Jul 30 18:34:46 people were telling me it's hot. Jul 30 18:34:50 haha oh gawd, that makes me sound like clippy :D Jul 30 18:35:00 Would you like help with that? :) Jul 30 18:35:01 DaveLab: no. just using prebuild Jul 30 18:35:02 * Chox rotflcopter Jul 30 18:35:02 :P Jul 30 18:35:04 yes. please Jul 30 18:35:05 ah Jul 30 18:35:07 :D Jul 30 18:35:12 did you ./configure before make? Jul 30 18:35:15 :D Jul 30 18:35:18 om-conf blah Jul 30 18:35:19 and make Jul 30 18:35:22 yeah! Jul 30 18:35:23 I did same Jul 30 18:35:26 and got the same error Jul 30 18:35:31 you need to ./configure first Jul 30 18:35:33 before make! Jul 30 18:35:33 om-conf is the wrapper which does the --target i guess Jul 30 18:35:37 right Jul 30 18:35:44 but it makes a fucked up makefile Jul 30 18:35:48 so rude. Jul 30 18:35:56 or must, because after ./configure'ing I didn't get that error Jul 30 18:36:03 :| Jul 30 18:36:12 stupid om-conf and crappy toolchain packagers Jul 30 18:36:15 DaveLab: so something is WRONG with om-conf Jul 30 18:36:15 yeah Jul 30 18:36:16 heh Jul 30 18:36:17 exactly Jul 30 18:36:20 amatuers! Jul 30 18:36:22 Guilt, that's unsurprising. Jul 30 18:36:33 Didn't someone recently say that om-conf was EOL'ed? Jul 30 18:36:38 because oe_runconf calls ${S}/configure Jul 30 18:36:43 or they ditched it because of somethi8ng bette Jul 30 18:36:43 really? Jul 30 18:36:46 Dave: finished ranting yet? Jul 30 18:36:52 Maybe, that's what I recalled hearing yesterday. Jul 30 18:36:55 Chox, negatory! Jul 30 18:37:01 just chekcing. Jul 30 18:37:03 Chox: so what is wrong with om-conf, eh? Jul 30 18:37:03 er, checking Jul 30 18:37:04 Prepare the Board of Berating! Jul 30 18:37:10 :) Jul 30 18:37:11 beats me. Jul 30 18:37:22 DaveLab: if there is something wrong, we need to know what it is Jul 30 18:39:15 and DaveLab: opkg is borken on that toolchain Jul 30 18:39:23 apparently opkg-cl isnt anywhere Jul 30 18:39:24 Guilt, we do? Jul 30 18:39:40 I just decided to not deal with it anymore, and that resolved my aggravations :) Jul 30 18:40:11 I just CHOCKed it up to shitty preparations/configurations/packaging and got on with it, after resolving the issue by manually configuring Jul 30 18:40:14 ;p Jul 30 18:41:00 that's Chox it up. Jul 30 18:41:09 do we package pango with freetype2? Jul 30 18:41:25 because it can't find the pango-ft2 package Jul 30 18:41:25 pango pretty much has to use freetype Jul 30 18:41:37 * Chox haz looked at the code. Jul 30 18:41:39 yeah. so something is terribly wrong. Jul 30 18:41:46 D: Jul 30 18:41:49 * DaveLab ducks for cover Jul 30 18:41:56 D:D Jul 30 18:41:57 * Guilt gets his shotgun Jul 30 18:42:02 pull! Jul 30 18:42:19 * Guilt goes head hunting for toolchain people Jul 30 18:42:39 i officially declare toolchain-people season open Jul 30 18:43:03 fuck Jul 30 18:43:07 * Guilt pulls a trigger ;) Jul 30 18:43:10 shit is still broke yo Jul 30 18:43:14 :( Jul 30 18:43:24 Won't boot! Jul 30 18:43:27 well. i've got no idea. and hardly any patience to do a bitbake Jul 30 18:43:32 DaveLab: :( Jul 30 18:43:50 Honestly Guilt, I've seen more success overall from bitbake users here, than toolchain builds. Jul 30 18:44:04 sigh. :( so i need to build it all, uh. Jul 30 18:44:13 man. this is so fucking bad! Jul 30 18:44:28 and gtk takes about a whole day to build Jul 30 18:44:59 DaveLab: if you have a working setup, i want you to build just _one_ package for me. Jul 30 18:45:28 or anybody. just one package. Jul 30 18:45:57 http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/60/openmoko-panel-alarm-0.1.tar.gz <- DaveLab Jul 30 18:46:13 Guilt, what is it? :D Jul 30 18:46:20 oh :P Jul 30 18:46:25 hrm Jul 30 18:49:16 Guilt, I can certainly try :) Jul 30 18:49:41 it would be easier if my fucking build phone booted :D Jul 30 18:50:49 do we have a thermal monitor of some sort? Jul 30 18:50:52 acpi-like? Jul 30 18:51:11 rofl Jul 30 18:52:31 i typed pin 3 times (and i can swear it was ok), ended up with saying that card was blocked, i inserted sim into old nokia and card wasnt blocked and pin worked Jul 30 18:52:55 after that it started working again in moko o_O Jul 30 18:53:19 DaveLab: it's probably very important to let the whole thing cool down; or even step down the processor Jul 30 18:53:24 in case it heats up. Jul 30 18:53:26 step it up! Jul 30 18:53:47 melted freerunneriscile Jul 30 18:53:57 i hate a melted $$$ Jul 30 18:54:00 :( Jul 30 18:54:09 these things dont grow on trees apparently Jul 30 18:54:24 grown by the US Govt. Jul 30 18:54:40 yeah. but you can't grow it in your yard Jul 30 18:54:43 it's illegal. Jul 30 18:54:52 doesn't stop them. Jul 30 18:55:06 yeah. but they probably get behind bars for that Jul 30 18:55:14 yeah money should be open sourced :> Jul 30 18:55:19 heh heh Jul 30 18:55:24 MYOM Jul 30 18:55:53 (make your own money) Jul 30 18:55:55 you'd still complain about being able to find a suitable moneychain Jul 30 18:56:16 yeah because setting up a moneychain is complicated Jul 30 18:56:52 it should be productive, you know. Jul 30 18:57:22 they should fix the wheel when they make it. not wait for everyone to fix it again Jul 30 18:57:41 cross compile me! Jul 30 18:57:52 if we had done that, we'd be back in those middle ages by now. Jul 30 18:58:08 Guilt, it still doesn't get past the flickery booting orange OM screen :( Jul 30 18:58:17 anyone else had this before? Jul 30 18:58:21 DaveLab: can you flash it? Jul 30 18:58:23 with nand? Jul 30 18:58:25 or with nor? Jul 30 18:58:26 yeah, NOR Jul 30 18:58:34 I can, and it will probably resolve the issue Jul 30 18:58:38 okay. flash it, reboot it. Jul 30 18:58:40 but clearly this is not a good thing :P Jul 30 18:58:44 because i had to do this twice Jul 30 18:58:51 it'd be similarly nice to find out what the fuck cuases this! Jul 30 18:58:53 :O Jul 30 18:58:53 when i did a opkg upgrade. Jul 30 18:58:58 EXPLODING OPENMOKOS Jul 30 18:59:04 When they get very hot, I get worried Jul 30 18:59:07 eh? u mean it exploded? Jul 30 18:59:12 tripped? Jul 30 18:59:12 also, I melted a screen protector already :( Jul 30 18:59:15 your women? Jul 30 18:59:18 shit Jul 30 18:59:24 and tripped the battery temp sensor Jul 30 18:59:34 DaveLab: what about a replacement? Jul 30 18:59:45 ask Steven Jul 30 18:59:46 I left two of them plugged into AC for 24-48hr, when I came back to them, they were both OFF, and extremely hot Jul 30 18:59:55 Ooooooooooh Jul 30 18:59:57 :o Jul 30 19:00:03 JOerg and I figured somehow they got so hot they tripped the internal sensor and they shut off Jul 30 19:00:10 (the battery did, anyway) Jul 30 19:00:15 DaveLab: must be a leaky battery? Jul 30 19:00:18 who knows! Jul 30 19:00:24 I've had terrible battery success already Jul 30 19:00:30 I have one I still need to fully discharge Jul 30 19:00:34 you know, my battery today discharged in about an hour Jul 30 19:00:40 i'm worried myself. Jul 30 19:00:41 because it's worn, only hits ~58% Jul 30 19:00:43 yeah Jul 30 19:00:46 http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/tech/20080730-1135-med-oblivioustexters.html Jul 30 19:00:47 :( Jul 30 19:00:57 Chox -_- Jul 30 19:01:05 yo chox Jul 30 19:01:17 DaveLab: be careful not to put a OM in your pocket Jul 30 19:01:28 because apparently once a LG phone exploded and a guy died Jul 30 19:01:29 Guilt, why? :O Jul 30 19:01:35 hahaha Jul 30 19:01:37 holy shit Jul 30 19:01:39 that happened to me :D Jul 30 19:01:44 DeadDave? Jul 30 19:01:45 no shit bro Jul 30 19:01:46 I blew up my VX8100's battery Jul 30 19:01:51 :o Jul 30 19:01:56 shit looked like it was pregnant Jul 30 19:02:01 the back cover was popping off Jul 30 19:02:04 but I kept going! Jul 30 19:02:05 D: Jul 30 19:02:11 probably stupid in retrospect Jul 30 19:02:14 glad I didn't die? Jul 30 19:02:17 :x Jul 30 19:02:28 that sounds pretty scary, if a guy died from an exploding phone Jul 30 19:02:32 Seriously though, I swear Jul 30 19:02:40 DaveLab: could you pass me those alsa sound state files? Jul 30 19:02:48 TSA is checking people's shoes? they should be confiscating people's cellphones Jul 30 19:02:56 come on, cellphone grenades? Jul 30 19:03:03 terrorists win! Jul 30 19:03:12 Guilt, the new ones? Jul 30 19:03:20 my toothpaste is actually plastique explosive! Jul 30 19:03:25 surprise! Jul 30 19:03:33 I like not having to fly commercial. Jul 30 19:03:35 Fuck TSA. Jul 30 19:03:46 yes Jul 30 19:03:50 take AMTrak :p Jul 30 19:03:50 I'll bring all the liquid I want on my flight, thank you! Jul 30 19:03:54 at least that has a bar. Jul 30 19:03:55 bah Jul 30 19:04:06 Chox: Don't make me come down there! Jul 30 19:04:15 bar! Jul 30 19:04:18 i'm getting lots of gstreamer errors. Jul 30 19:04:20 gah; Jul 30 19:04:30 You're freerunner will be the next earthquake epicenter! Jul 30 19:04:36 * Chox is a freerunner Jul 30 19:04:46 is totem/gmplayer a good idea for the FR? Jul 30 19:05:28 The worst part is, I needed something off this freerunner, bah! Jul 30 19:05:31 I guess I'll flash it :( Jul 30 19:06:32 DaveLab: next time attempt a nfs mount Jul 30 19:06:44 and keep your data there until you think it's safe to keep it Jul 30 19:06:47 even the cfcard Jul 30 19:07:11 Dave: you're in bay area? or LA? Jul 30 19:07:14 Flashing! Jul 30 19:07:15 totem may be a bit on the fat side Jul 30 19:07:19 fuck socal Jul 30 19:07:21 Streaking! Jul 30 19:07:22 but worth a try Jul 30 19:07:25 Bay Areaaaaaaa Baaaaaaaby \o/ Jul 30 19:07:37 only 14 hours on teh amtrak :o Jul 30 19:07:41 Guilt, sounds scary :) Jul 30 19:07:48 mickeyl, fix our freerunners! Jul 30 19:07:58 Chox, fuck that? Jul 30 19:08:00 mickeyl: shame. Jul 30 19:08:06 I'll drive, thanks. Jul 30 19:08:15 teh five ftw Jul 30 19:08:20 actually, you could do a chater flight into Carlsbad Palomar airport. that's only 2 miles from me. Jul 30 19:08:28 ooh sweet Jul 30 19:08:33 I could probably land there Jul 30 19:08:50 or at SNA and drive the rest of the way :) Jul 30 19:08:59 okay, great. the dec 2007 toolchain isnt any better Jul 30 19:09:04 the error now is: okay. great. the Jul 30 19:09:07 Guilt, you noticed this :D Jul 30 19:09:07 SNA isn't far Jul 30 19:09:11 i mean: sample-main.c:19:21: error: gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory Jul 30 19:09:16 Chox, I know. Jul 30 19:09:23 wtf Jul 30 19:09:29 Guilt o_O Jul 30 19:09:32 What are you doing to it!? Jul 30 19:09:51 http://maps.google.com/maps?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=sna&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl Jul 30 19:09:53 DaveLab: om-conf Jul 30 19:09:54 make Jul 30 19:10:03 not my exact address, but right zipcode :p Jul 30 19:10:10 gah Jul 30 19:10:20 http://maps.google.com/maps?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=sna&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl Jul 30 19:10:24 * Chox slaps google. Jul 30 19:10:33 http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=John+Wayne-Terminal+A%26B+Arrivals+(John+Wayne+Airport)&geocode=&dirflg=&daddr=92011&f=d&hl=en&sll=33.68211,-117.85917&sspn=0.055209,0.075102&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=10 Jul 30 19:10:35 there Jul 30 19:11:12 Guilt, oy -_- Jul 30 19:11:19 Guilt, fucking ./configure first! Jul 30 19:11:27 Chox, what the hell are you on about now? Jul 30 19:11:43 1 hour drive from SNA to 92011 :p Jul 30 19:11:48 my hell. Jul 30 19:12:13 I KNOW Jul 30 19:12:14 :P Jul 30 19:12:21 * DaveLab starts a fire in Chocky's backyard Jul 30 19:12:25 I know, you KNOW, I was just being exact Jul 30 19:12:27 BBQ Jul 30 19:12:33 Alright, well, thanks for the clarification :P Jul 30 19:12:45 Giraffes. Jul 30 19:13:09 CRCFAIL buffet Jul 30 19:13:21 WArren? Jul 30 19:13:25 PANIC! Jul 30 19:13:37 * DaveLab drops his freerunner because it's hot Jul 30 19:13:54 :p Jul 30 19:14:04 use the BBQ utensils Jul 30 19:14:07 Sweet. Freerunners now available at the Linuxcaffe in Toronto. Jul 30 19:14:19 :) Jul 30 19:14:34 bricode, I bet they come in bags too, just for you! Jul 30 19:14:36 hah. I saw a Jesus fish the other day on a car. Except it said "Linux" Jul 30 19:14:39 * DaveLab high-fives Chox Jul 30 19:14:51 Chox, yeah, I've seen that. Jul 30 19:15:05 http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/stickers/2898/ Jul 30 19:15:10 * DaveLab hopes Chocky's license plate says something particular. Jul 30 19:15:18 sadly not. Jul 30 19:15:29 I'm not sure whether a Ford Freestlye is deserving. Jul 30 19:17:05 Helloes Jul 30 19:17:07 :| Jul 30 19:17:11 good point Jul 30 19:17:15 Are there any 850's left in the store? Jul 30 19:17:22 if you can see some, then yes Jul 30 19:17:27 if not, then no. Jul 30 19:17:37 oic Jul 30 19:17:38 tunys: 850's available at Koolu.com (note: I work for them). Jul 30 19:17:44 bricode: O RLY? Jul 30 19:17:50 tunys: Yep. Jul 30 19:17:56 tunys: Ships from Canada. Jul 30 19:18:07 * Chox read "Sun Chips from Canada" Jul 30 19:18:11 Nope. Jul 30 19:18:22 (in store) Jul 30 19:18:33 Speedevil! Jul 30 19:18:38 Oh, they have Android on them :( Jul 30 19:18:43 What went wrong with my freerunner? Jul 30 19:18:45 SpeedEvil: When will there be? Jul 30 19:19:16 bricode: do the Koolu phones have the GPS/SD capacitor fix applied? Jul 30 19:19:36 SpeedTopic Jul 30 19:19:42 tunys: Actually we're shipping with Openmoko, and will be until Android is available as an option. Jul 30 19:19:51 oic Jul 30 19:20:13 bricode: when will Android be an option? Jul 30 19:20:21 mmontour: This current round, no, but next round from my understanding, yes. Jul 30 19:20:34 mmontour: From my reading the s/w fix seems to work reasonably well. Jul 30 19:20:42 tunys: I can't really comment on that. Jul 30 19:20:46 oic Jul 30 19:21:03 next round of handsets? when is that? Jul 30 19:21:46 DaveLab: i hope this works: http://pastebin.ca/1087500 Jul 30 19:22:00 bricode: it seems to still be an open question - I've seen at least 1 report that position accuracy is still degraded when the SD card is accessed (but that was before Andy's latest set of patches) Jul 30 19:22:32 When did Pastebin get ugly like that? Jul 30 19:22:58 when someone added the .ca bit Jul 30 19:23:09 :D Jul 30 19:23:14 :P Jul 30 19:23:14 tunys: Depends if you mean 850's or 900's. Jul 30 19:23:22 850s Jul 30 19:24:28 tunys: Next batch with cap fix? When the current stock is done. Jul 30 19:24:57 It sounds like you have a lot available Jul 30 19:25:54 I got one with no cap fix, i wonder if it's better to send back to Germany or find someone able to do the soldering :( Jul 30 19:26:25 LionKMP: try the software fixes first. They do seem to work for many people. Jul 30 19:26:59 software fixes turns off sd card right? Jul 30 19:27:06 hm, ok thanks. (I can't use it yet, but I'll learn.) Jul 30 19:28:23 torindel: there are several fixes. The main one turns off a clock line to the SD when it is idle. Another recent fix slows down the SD clock whenever the GPS is powered up Jul 30 19:28:37 It's not slows down AIUI. Jul 30 19:28:46 It's reduces the SD drive strength. Jul 30 19:29:46 SpeedEvil: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-July/004123.html (not the drive-strength one) Jul 30 19:29:47 SpeedEvil: does it fully fixes it or we still get (smaller) gps problems? Jul 30 19:30:13 torpor: mail me a freerunner, and I'll tell you. Jul 30 19:30:24 mmontour: oh Jul 30 19:30:26 (i'm thinking about situation with map on sd card) Jul 30 19:30:40 torpor: actually no. To be statistically significant, mail me 5 :) Jul 30 19:33:09 * Chox laffs. Jul 30 19:38:22 mmontour: the SD clock interferes not because of the clock itself, but because the edges create 1.5 Ghz harmonics. Jul 30 19:39:25 mmontour: the capacitor would help to change where the harmonics happen, but so does changing the driving strength of the sd_clk. Jul 30 19:40:21 bricode: and when that is done ... there is no speed decrease or anything on the SD ? Jul 30 19:41:12 Rigolo: I would guess that there shouldn't be. The SD clock is still functioning at 16 MHz. Jul 30 19:41:24 Rigolo: decreasing signal strength wont change speed but can cause errors on some cards Jul 30 19:41:30 Rigolo: To be fair, I haven't done real world benchmarking. Jul 30 19:41:51 (if its just singal strength) Jul 30 19:41:54 muh/. Jul 30 19:41:55 Is it true: http://trac.freesmartphone.org:8000/trac-example/roadmap ? Jul 30 19:42:39 torindel: bricode thanks for the explainations Jul 30 19:42:55 Hi Jul 30 19:43:19 moo. Jul 30 19:43:20 torindel: I would imagine it would depend on how sensitive the cards are to the shape of the sd_clk edge. Jul 30 19:43:21 * Rigolo just reads about a new piece of hardware that we need on the GTA03 on slashdot :-) Jul 30 19:43:35 http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/30/1823203 Jul 30 19:43:40 http://www.misterbg.org/AppleProductCycle/ Jul 30 19:43:54 Rigolo: looks like they rearanged what goes to what milestone today Jul 30 19:44:52 bricode: yea, and if you got shitty card you could always increase timings to nullify that Jul 30 19:44:57 shit. i give up. so much to FIX. Jul 30 19:45:10 i can't sed every file out there Jul 30 19:45:16 every fucking pattern Jul 30 19:45:23 and you wonders why they started over with FSO :o Jul 30 19:45:33 why? Jul 30 19:45:42 * Chox calls CaptnObvious Jul 30 19:45:47 torindel: yeah, it's pretty tricky getting 3 radios and antennas to play nice in a device. Jul 30 19:46:28 Might be of interest: a follow-up on the openmoko, iphone, gplv3, http://www.reddit.com/comments/6u6q4/why_free_software_and_apples_iphone_dont_mix/ Jul 30 19:46:40 yarr? Jul 30 19:47:05 * CaptObviousman stares at Chox Jul 30 19:47:16 yarrrrr Jul 30 19:47:21 too much to fix -> therefore FSO Jul 30 19:47:34 heh Jul 30 19:47:45 bricode, I demand more antennas! Jul 30 19:48:46 DaveLab: Just make a general device and sort it all out in software :) Jul 30 19:49:07 * Rigolo wants to have GNUradio in the GTA03 :-) Jul 30 19:49:08 software radio! Jul 30 19:49:11 yy in which py is Xlib.display module? Jul 30 19:51:23 Chox: you remeber old funny soft to use crt monitors as am radio transmiter? Jul 30 19:51:44 * Chox doesn't, but not surprised Jul 30 19:52:19 wait. joy. the script works now. Jul 30 19:52:21 torindel: I think I even read about some software that used it to transmit TV via a UHF signal or something like that Jul 30 19:52:21 the sample builds. Jul 30 19:52:28 (short distance though) Jul 30 19:52:46 TV on openmoko!? Jul 30 19:52:50 FRTV? Jul 30 19:53:05 DaveLab: just stream it via GPRS ... Jul 30 19:53:07 here is the fixed fix: http://pastebin.ca/1087544 Jul 30 19:53:16 Chox: Dave ^^ Jul 30 19:53:20 o_O Jul 30 19:53:29 Rigolo, hell no :) Jul 30 19:53:32 too slow Jul 30 19:53:35 DaveLab: just make your own plugin for mplayer to change it to streaming server from pc with tv card -__-; Jul 30 19:53:44 torindel: too much work Jul 30 19:53:50 now i need to get to fix these dependancies: libmokopanelui2 libnotify Jul 30 19:53:53 and mplayer *barely* works, as far as I know, on freerunner. Jul 30 19:54:07 DaveLab: it's all in the compression ... :-) Jul 30 19:54:29 DaveLab: well .. Balrog disagrees on that .. at least a bit Jul 30 19:54:32 Guilt, so it just couldn't find them, because they weren't updated? :P Jul 30 19:54:36 Rigolo, hah Jul 30 19:54:44 Well, let's just see who winds out there... Jul 30 19:54:53 wins Jul 30 19:55:02 DaveLab: hmm? Jul 30 19:55:47 Guikt, regarding your fix. Jul 30 19:56:44 yeah. they were in the wrong place Jul 30 19:57:35 http://bellard.org/dvbt/ ... look ... dvb-t from your VGA card :-) Jul 30 19:57:43 Hello. I have 2 questions: Jul 30 19:57:54 State your demands! Jul 30 19:58:06 1. Where is the jffs for FSO Milestone 2 for FreeRunner? Jul 30 19:58:07 6 and 7 Jul 30 19:58:40 tuppence and string Jul 30 19:58:53 hi, i want to ask what open source program is recommened to view the cad files? Jul 30 19:59:07 2. "Notification Actions (SMS, Charger, Suspend/Resume) " Is it mean that I will not be notified by phone if I receive SMS? Jul 30 19:59:11 now that is a good question :-) Jul 30 20:02:57 Joerg is sleeping already? o.O Jul 30 20:03:54 chomwitt: I'm not a CAD expert .. but a quick look on the openmoko wiki about formats .. and then on wikipedia gave me BRL-CAD as a BSD/LGPL licensed product that can read the formats provided Jul 30 20:04:05 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_CAD_software .. wikipedia page Jul 30 20:04:09 ahahahah Jul 30 20:04:15 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_case_schematics Jul 30 20:04:52 Rigolo: thanks!. i'll check them. Jul 30 20:06:07 * DaveLab offers chox some pizza Jul 30 20:06:19 :D ! Jul 30 20:06:59 chomwitt: well there is even a #brlcad right here on freenode :-) Jul 30 20:08:40 chomwitt: and when you are going to do anything with it ... can you convert the CAD files to DXF format (as requested on the openmoko wiki) Jul 30 20:09:50 DaveLab: where can find libnotify and libmokouipanel2? Jul 30 20:10:40 Rigolo: ok. i'm not exactly expert but i'll check it. Jul 30 20:10:44 Relax! Don't do it! Jul 30 20:12:50 libmokoui2 doesn't exist still, as far as I know Jul 30 20:12:54 but libnotifyxx.. Jul 30 20:13:10 let me see Jul 30 20:14:01 Guilt: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libenotify0_0.1.0.042+cvs20080722-r5.02_armv4t.ipk Jul 30 20:14:08 is that what you wanted? :P Jul 30 20:14:14 oops, nevermind :D Jul 30 20:14:23 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libnotify_0.4.4-r0_armv4t.ipk Jul 30 20:14:25 there Jul 30 20:14:49 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libmokoui2-0_0.1.0+svnr4342-r2_armv4t.ipk Jul 30 20:15:25 DaveLab: i wanted the source for building this alarm thing Jul 30 20:15:39 apparently i cant install the ipk to /usr/local as well. because opkg is borken Jul 30 20:15:45 i need the opkg-cl binary Jul 30 20:16:15 i'm trying to get my mobile usable in 2007.2 Jul 30 20:16:42 Guilt: better go and help with fso ;] Jul 30 20:16:58 whats fso? Jul 30 20:16:59 guilt? o_o Jul 30 20:17:06 heehee Jul 30 20:17:14 the milestone 1 2 thingies? Jul 30 20:17:24 the framework? Jul 30 20:17:33 yep Jul 30 20:17:58 opkg bbq Jul 30 20:18:19 hello Jul 30 20:18:59 Hello Jul 30 20:19:03 What can we do for you? Jul 30 20:19:10 Guilt: I found opkg-cl in poky SDK Jul 30 20:19:24 BBQSDK! Jul 30 20:19:29 hot :p Jul 30 20:19:33 lpotter: ping Jul 30 20:19:48 qpkg install lpotter Jul 30 20:19:50 >:) Jul 30 20:19:54 don't know if it's txe rigxt place but copied it from txere and it worked for me Jul 30 20:20:00 dpkg --purge Dave Jul 30 20:20:03 :O Jul 30 20:20:06 nevar! Jul 30 20:20:20 malik1972: pong Jul 30 20:20:41 dpkg --purge $(daveorphan --guess-all) Jul 30 20:20:59 rddDavid51: link? Jul 30 20:21:03 lpotter: hi, any news concerning 4.4? Jul 30 20:22:15 Guilt: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/07/17/using-poky-sdk-to-build-software/ Jul 30 20:22:40 only that is still in the works :) Jul 30 20:23:01 thanks :-) Jul 30 20:23:14 lpotter: and one stupid question:-) is qtopia designed for multiple tasks or did i missed some features? Jul 30 20:23:58 does the qtopia package suffer from the same battery life issues? Jul 30 20:24:10 Chox :D Jul 30 20:24:12 malik1972: hold the AUX button in Jul 30 20:24:17 lpotter, how's qpkg? Jul 30 20:24:42 DaveLab: umm,, its ok? Jul 30 20:25:26 lpotter: really:-) oh man ... Jul 30 20:25:49 is it, really? Jul 30 20:25:53 Hello kelvie :P Jul 30 20:26:07 kelive, what issues? Is it not supposed to just suck? :D Jul 30 20:27:15 Man, I'm about to blow this popsicle stand. Jul 30 20:27:26 DaveLab: as.. same as the ASU or FSO :p Jul 30 20:27:34 lpotter: 4.4 will include a web browser and simple gps location software? what about wpa2 Jul 30 20:27:47 for me it wouldn't make a huge difference, my phone right now only lasts about 2 days w/ standby Jul 30 20:28:04 i could just _shift_ to Poky if it works Jul 30 20:28:59 :p Jul 30 20:29:01 yeah :D Jul 30 20:35:45 Guilt: I didn't try poky, I just pick opkg-cl from there Jul 30 20:36:26 * Stroller waves Jul 30 20:36:29 Evening, all Jul 30 20:36:36 hi all Jul 30 20:36:43 m Jul 30 20:36:48 hi Jul 30 20:36:48 malik1972: wpa should be working currently, but route is still messed Jul 30 20:36:53 I am making a banner for a FOSS event which has OM talks also Jul 30 20:36:57 how do i test a regexp in shell? Jul 30 20:37:08 like if patmatch \.la$ Jul 30 20:37:14 is it correct to write "Free & Open Source Software & Hardware"? Jul 30 20:37:23 and it return true/false Jul 30 20:37:29 use perl instead of the shell? Jul 30 20:37:29 can we do that in sed? Jul 30 20:37:51 You can try with ls -1 | grep -E $REGEX Jul 30 20:38:49 thanks Jul 30 20:38:49 OSS BBQ Jul 30 20:40:31 malik1972: i just havent updated it yet Jul 30 20:42:23 Guilt: yw Jul 30 20:48:31 linux! Jul 30 20:48:40 but not RH! Jul 30 20:48:50 wny not rh? Jul 30 20:48:55 sorry, why not rh? Jul 30 20:49:07 cos we haven't had today's distro war yet. Jul 30 20:49:31 :) have fun. Jul 30 20:49:40 we use if [ $x -gt 1 ]; etc in shell for comparison, right? Jul 30 20:49:50 if you want to :p Jul 30 20:50:01 but check that $x is an actual number Jul 30 20:51:09 I'd say : if [ "$x" -gt 1 ], this way, there is no error if x is not defined Jul 30 20:51:23 tuXXX: yes, there will be, if it's not a number. like I said. Jul 30 20:51:29 :o Jul 30 20:58:54 how do i escape a string of the form /usr/ to \/usr Jul 30 20:59:06 i mean, i need to feed that back to sed Jul 30 21:00:04 \/usr\/ is the escaped form of /usr/ Jul 30 21:00:15 * Rigolo scared for a moment ... my precious laserpointer/stylus stoped working ... Jul 30 21:00:30 Rigolo: you can have mine. Jul 30 21:00:48 donomo: if you pay postage .. you can mail it to me :-) Jul 30 21:01:16 heh. no way jose. Jul 30 21:01:37 donomo: must be cheap ... simple pen :-) Jul 30 21:01:51 yeah. i need to do that Jul 30 21:03:12 hi, I think I bricked my freerunner just with the first update. now it is not booting, and trying to boot from NAND gives my "Bad magic number". any ideas what I can do? Jul 30 21:03:25 that's not bricked :p Jul 30 21:03:30 lpotter: yes, wpa2 would be a good feature in the next update Jul 30 21:03:34 but it sounds like you flash into the wrong partition Jul 30 21:04:19 Chox: hm I'm not aware that I'm flashing anything, I was just doing a "opkg upgrade" Jul 30 21:04:28 ho ho. Jul 30 21:04:59 mmm isn't that fixed already? Jul 30 21:04:59 Chox: ? Jul 30 21:05:02 ! Jul 30 21:05:22 depends when you did opkg update, etc. Jul 30 21:05:31 you'll want to reflash your kernel Jul 30 21:05:35 jmho: are you using the standard Freerunner image .. that came with the phone? Jul 30 21:05:35 Chox: just before Jul 30 21:05:45 Rigolo: yes Jul 30 21:06:08 mmm weird .. does the release image point to buggy kernels? Jul 30 21:06:28 Rigolo: how can I find out? Jul 30 21:06:48 jmho: well .. like Chox said ... try flashing the kernel from July 27th to your phone ... Jul 30 21:06:55 There were some bad kernel images on the servers. I thought they'd been removed this afternoon. Jul 30 21:07:12 Has been discussed on -community Jul 30 21:07:15 Rigolo: ok, is it possible without debug board? Jul 30 21:07:24 how's compatibility between Nokia N810 and our FR? in terms of arch and libs available Jul 30 21:07:28 Stroller: but then he should reflash the release kernel? Jul 30 21:07:36 jmho: yes .. it is not "dead" .. Jul 30 21:07:43 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner Jul 30 21:08:00 hello Jul 30 21:08:11 Rigolo: great, thx :) will try and report Jul 30 21:08:14 hey Jul 30 21:08:17 Rigolo: I think there are recent ones that are ok. All the problems I read of were people using "opkg upgrade" Jul 30 21:08:22 Hey, Candelagirl Jul 30 21:08:39 I did a "opkg upgrade" few hours ago, from a new phone.. and it worked fine... Jul 30 21:08:48 jmho: well .. you do not yet know whick kernel to flash ... Jul 30 21:09:11 Rigolo: hm yes, I thought of 27th Jul 30 21:09:27 Rigolo: are there more than one? Jul 30 21:09:27 Stroller: so just the release kernel from here? http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ Jul 30 21:09:30 i have a question, when I receive a call, the phone vibrate... how to I get it to ring ? :) Jul 30 21:10:00 feydreva I did that last week Jul 30 21:10:02 It *works* Jul 30 21:10:03 but Jul 30 21:10:07 my avg. load is 2.85 Jul 30 21:10:15 so battery lasts like 2hours tops :( Jul 30 21:10:21 jmho: yes there are more ... but because you use the "standard" image .. you can most likely not use the july 27th one Jul 30 21:10:37 Rigolo: ah ok Jul 30 21:10:47 Rigolo: I'm honestly not sure. I only commented so you had a first point of reference. Check the -community mailing list. (or jmho should) Jul 30 21:10:55 anyway, http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080730/ which of these should i flash my phone with? i know i need the uImage, but what else of the files? Jul 30 21:11:54 jmho: well ... check the mailing list ... but I think because you use a standard image you should use a "release" kernel Jul 30 21:12:06 flexd: probably none of those :-) Jul 30 21:12:15 Rigolo: oh :) Jul 30 21:12:22 Rigolo: ok, thx Jul 30 21:12:34 flexd: there is only a kernel image ..and a uboot image .. Jul 30 21:12:56 flexd: but I think you are looking for a rootfs image (jffs2) Jul 30 21:12:56 soy española Jul 30 21:13:01 The FreeRunner has been out there for over a month now ... is there any word about the sales numbers ? Jul 30 21:13:11 Rigolo: yes Jul 30 21:13:13 at least one :-) Jul 30 21:13:23 But dont i need to flash both uboot and rootfs ? Jul 30 21:13:24 hehe Jul 30 21:13:26 Or can i just flash rootfs? Jul 30 21:13:26 flexd: then have a look at july 22th ... Jul 30 21:13:27 CVirus: I think between 500 and 750 from the US store. Jul 30 21:13:37 CVirus: I don't think they'll be released until Openmoko is FAR more successful. Jul 30 21:13:44 flexd: rootfs and kernel should match Jul 30 21:14:04 SpeedEvil: I thought the US store processed a couple of thousand orders per day the first couple of days Jul 30 21:14:06 or .. it is better that they match Jul 30 21:14:11 SpeedEvil: let's assume the resellers got like 800 units ? Jul 30 21:14:14 Yes, so i would have to flash both of them, not just one or the other Jul 30 21:14:41 and the latest jffs2 images can be found on july 22th Jul 30 21:14:44 Stroller: there were a couple of thousand tickets - yes. And some were assuming a 1:1 relationship - but ro h stated that there wasn't. Jul 30 21:15:01 Right, because some would be group sales Jul 30 21:15:06 Stroller: I'm basing mine off the result of what happened when you added 999 freerunners to your cart. Jul 30 21:15:19 SpeedEvil: what was that? Jul 30 21:15:20 Stroller: err - no, that'd be off the other way Jul 30 21:15:28 I assumed more sold than tickets. Jul 30 21:15:32 Stroller: http://www.mauve.plus.com/Freerunner.gif Jul 30 21:15:39 more tickets than sold Jul 30 21:16:13 Stroller: that graph was the numbers the shop was reporting available at that time. Jul 30 21:16:14 Rigolo: Nice, thanks :) Finally i can have a somewhat useful phone again Jul 30 21:16:19 * Stroller looks confusled Jul 30 21:16:44 Stroller: I have real doubts as to the 250 high lump in the middle - I note 250 go in, and 250 go out. Jul 30 21:16:56 It's been my only phone the past few days, 2hours battery time is really really bad :p Jul 30 21:17:04 And if you remove it, it's quite a nice log graph Jul 30 21:17:09 I guess you're right, SpeedEvil Jul 30 21:17:27 flexd: well ... good luck then ... but keep in mind that it is still under development ..and it might break again Jul 30 21:17:39 Rigolo: yes, ofcourse Jul 30 21:17:53 Stroller: I am unsure, that'd imply about a thousand likely in the first batch. Jul 30 21:17:56 I have another phone, but i spent the past two weeks at our summer house by the sea :) Jul 30 21:18:07 without a charger, so tinkering with the FR was all i had :D Jul 30 21:18:18 SpeedEvil: I'm happy with that as a ballpark Jul 30 21:18:26 flexd: and do not do a blind opkg update/upgrade ... perform a opkg -test upgrade at least to see what it wants to do Jul 30 21:19:17 * Rigolo FR arrived the day after /me left on holiday :-) Jul 30 21:19:56 Rigolo: Sounds smart Jul 30 21:20:17 SpeedEvil: 500 - 2000 is the same order of magnitude. I was basing 2000 sales, including some of multiple devices + Europe = 3000+ Jul 30 21:20:46 I was trying to fix the GPS, and it was right before i had to leave two weeks ago, so i just tried it quick Jul 30 21:25:51 how do i get the freerunner to register after kernel an rootfs flash Jul 30 21:26:19 shift + / for the question mark. Jul 30 21:26:21 :o Jul 30 21:26:22 it registered 1 time afterwards after rebooting Jul 30 21:26:29 ok Jul 30 21:26:39 is 2008.7.1 image ASU ? Jul 30 21:26:46 no. Jul 30 21:26:46 how do i get the freerunner to register after kernel an rootfs flash? Jul 30 21:27:02 Chox: FSO ? Jul 30 21:27:08 GTK Jul 30 21:27:15 Rigolo: so I flashed the kernel, do I have to flash something else or can I just try to boot now? Jul 30 21:27:27 why the fuck is this one still being maintained ??? Jul 30 21:27:30 well, I presume. what are you looking at? Jul 30 21:27:31 !!! Jul 30 21:27:50 isn't it deprecated in favor of ASU and FSO ? Jul 30 21:27:58 when are they dropping it ffs ? Jul 30 21:28:09 hi @ all Jul 30 21:28:12 when it doesn't work better than ASU Jul 30 21:28:20 hmm Jul 30 21:28:31 hum... my FR keep freezng and beeing slow... is it normal ? Jul 30 21:28:31 its the 7-22 2008 i think Jul 30 21:28:39 jmho: first try to boto and see what happens Jul 30 21:28:53 guys. Jul 30 21:28:55 i've got a better fix Jul 30 21:29:00 for the current chain Jul 30 21:29:01 Rigolo: ok, thx :) Jul 30 21:29:21 Dave: if you like it, i can put it on the wiki. Jul 30 21:29:41 i have a little question: my 2007.2 image hang while i was phoning when i took out the usb-cable. did someone else have this issue?hat anyone Jul 30 21:30:03 Bigfix for la: http://pastebin.ca/1087654 Jul 30 21:30:09 ^^ take a look, guys Jul 30 21:30:13 Rigolo: :) it's working :) thanks a lot Jul 30 21:30:44 that has solved ALL my problems Jul 30 21:31:25 any idea for my openmoko beeing very slow, and frozen ? Jul 30 21:35:01 hum Jul 30 21:35:15 now the phone doesn't start at all :/ Jul 30 21:38:25 posted. Jul 30 21:39:08 where can I enter my pin? Jul 30 21:41:05 Hi all! Something about Openmoko Accessibility for blind persons? Jul 30 21:41:22 persons=people Jul 30 21:42:10 jmho: my image "just asks" for it ... but I;m running a July 22th image Jul 30 21:42:48 the actual asu has no keyboard Jul 30 21:42:49 Rigolo: ah ok, that is the kernel image? isn't it a application issues? Jul 30 21:42:55 so it doesn't ask Jul 30 21:43:09 jmho: not only kernel iamge .. also with a new rootfs Jul 30 21:43:32 Rigolo: ah ok, so is it save to try them out? Jul 30 21:43:39 mrkiko: I got no clue but I don't think such thing will be available soon Jul 30 21:43:50 Ok ok Jul 30 21:43:51 mrkiko: you need a verb to make a valid sentence Jul 30 21:43:53 jmho: as save as a development image can be :-) Jul 30 21:43:56 I'm tired of symbian := Jul 30 21:44:08 mrkiko: but I would LOVE my Freerunner to read my emails to me. Jul 30 21:44:19 festival Jul 30 21:44:29 Rigolo: so I can't destroy my freerunner? I have no problems with flashing again Jul 30 21:44:47 just out of curiosity, how many freerunners were shipped to resellers in the second batch? Jul 30 21:44:53 jmho: don't flash it over 1000 times, and you'll be fine. Jul 30 21:44:59 jmho: if you follow the instructions on the wiki you can not really distroy it ... Jul 30 21:45:00 Stroller: iirc someone was doing something to do with either voice recognition or text to speech as part of the google SoC Jul 30 21:45:18 Rigolo: SpeedEvil: thx Jul 30 21:45:23 Tig|: voice recognition. But only of pre-programmed phrases, as I read it Jul 30 21:45:31 ah Jul 30 21:45:33 CVirus: yeah, it's quite do-able, I just don't have the time, I don't think Jul 30 21:45:34 carnival ... text to speech ... on a astriks server .. and then just dial via VoIP Jul 30 21:45:46 Generic speaker independant voice recognition is hard. Jul 30 21:45:52 I'm taking the night now Jul 30 21:46:17 SpeedEvil: also a tad more processor hungry than the freerunner has available afaik :) Jul 30 21:46:28 Mhm... I may need a screen reader which reads EVERYTHING the os may print. Jul 30 21:46:28 Tig|: not really. Jul 30 21:46:55 if I "opkg update" it tries to dl some "daily-feed" packages, shouldn't that be restricted to some kind if release packages? Jul 30 21:46:55 Tig|: I would be quite happy with Dragon Dictate as ran on my PII/200 or so back in the day. Jul 30 21:46:59 Is the freerunner completely brickable if something goes wrong while flashing? Jul 30 21:47:04 mrkiko: no Jul 30 21:47:18 mrkiko: it has an emergency flash that you canntot write without the debug board. Jul 30 21:47:27 Is it possible to have dual SIM cards on the openmoko? Jul 30 21:47:34 that one can switch between Jul 30 21:47:35 nadio: no Jul 30 21:47:55 nadio: well, not two sims at once ;) you can manually take one out and switch, of course Jul 30 21:48:44 nadio: it has been discussed to death, and it hasn't been ruled out as a feature for a future phone. Jul 30 21:49:22 so, good programmin to all Jul 30 21:49:25 I switch off myself :) Jul 30 21:49:32 bye Jul 30 21:49:38 bye Jul 30 21:53:54 freebbq Jul 30 21:54:24 SpeedEvil: would it be easier to make it able to record words/commands, and i have it recognize that? And you can tie those "events" to actions? Jul 30 21:54:51 or is that exactly what whoever is working with voice recognition is doing? :) Jul 30 21:55:21 flexd: that's what they're doing Jul 30 21:55:58 Stroller: Thought so :) Jul 30 21:56:22 hmmm, doing opkg update && upgrade a few weeks ago really screwed the phone up Jul 30 21:57:00 i have never had problems Jul 30 21:57:03 avg. 2.85+ loads, draining the battery within hours, and i seem to have both the normal "standard" bootloader, and the one i saw in the illume intro video (the one with the green, and the boot background) for a few seconds Jul 30 21:58:43 switch off the wifi, then you have much more time Jul 30 22:03:36 bastian_: That was actually with *everything* disabled, and in suspend Jul 30 22:03:57 I seem to have gotten two of everything running or something like that :) Jul 30 22:04:14 average load isnt supposed to be above 2.5 at all times? Jul 30 22:04:26 what said top? Jul 30 22:04:29 I'm flashing another image now, hopefully it's fixed then Jul 30 22:04:52 i cant remember, i didnt have my laptop with me Jul 30 22:05:00 top doesnt show that much on the tiny screen :p Jul 30 22:05:34 if you hide the keyboard you can see a lot more **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 30 22:09:09 2008 Jul 30 22:14:11 no md5sum with these images doesnt help Jul 30 22:19:14 is ther an image u people consider to be better than the default image? Jul 30 22:21:14 it seems that if i pull the end of the sim card towards the middle of the phone that my sim works Jul 30 22:22:13 linuxxr: then it looks like you need to take your sim out .. and try to put it back in ... and you did lock it right? Jul 30 22:22:49 yes i did Jul 30 22:23:06 * Rigolo needs to pick something from the printer ... brb Jul 30 22:23:28 I am little bit disapointed with Openmoko, and the opkg package management Jul 30 22:24:00 feydreva: opkg is almost the same as ipkg .. and that is used in a lot of systems Jul 30 22:24:00 Why's that, feydreva ? Jul 30 22:24:04 doing a okpg update && opkg upgrade give you a verson of software that is LESS useable, than the one shipped with the phone... Jul 30 22:24:17 wich is totally non sense.,,, Jul 30 22:24:27 feydreva: well .. you are on a development image ... not a stable one Jul 30 22:24:52 I though things where doing forward :) Jul 30 22:25:06 feydreva: and those images are build based on the the latest svn .. and that might break sometimes Jul 30 22:25:06 so how do I do to get something that work ? Jul 30 22:25:17 feydreva: that's not really a problem with the package management Jul 30 22:25:29 feydreva: well .. be carefull with what you upgrade ... Jul 30 22:25:31 feydreva: do it yourself (tm) Jul 30 22:25:45 .. bbq Jul 30 22:26:01 * Rigolo can remember gentoo with ~x86 enable .. that was fun :- Jul 30 22:26:22 I didi a opkg upgrade, hoping to have a new version of software, better than the basic one shiped with the phone :) Jul 30 22:26:55 feydreva: on a release image? or development image? Jul 30 22:27:08 Rigolo: i go with ** plus svn/git ebuilds ;] Jul 30 22:27:25 is that 7222008 a stable release? Jul 30 22:27:27 i do not know... I openned the opnmoko boxe, read th wiki, it is writeen, do opkg update, opkg upgrade Jul 30 22:28:03 torindel: or manually try to recreate an ebuild .. and then have your whole system hosed up :-) Jul 30 22:28:06 linuxxr: which one Jul 30 22:28:20 Rigolo, so, you can have a dev image or a released image, and if you are in a released image, the upgrade should not messs things up ? Jul 30 22:28:25 I just flashed my phone with http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2 and http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin Jul 30 22:28:27 not sure lolol Jul 30 22:28:30 linuxxr: stable enough for me ... at least .. I can make calls with it Jul 30 22:28:31 works excellent, even a game here :) Jul 30 22:28:43 he he, people, look at this joke -> www.microsoft.ba Jul 30 22:28:46 linuxxr: devel should work better than qtopia one Jul 30 22:28:59 buy is it a dev release or a stable release? Jul 30 22:29:29 linuxxr: Software is not done yet Jul 30 22:29:30 feydreva: it theory yes ... but there was something with the release image that broke things today ... and that was rolled back apparently Jul 30 22:29:38 so it's devel/stable/kinda/maybe :) Jul 30 22:29:44 lol Jul 30 22:29:50 Like the topic syas Jul 30 22:29:56 Rigolo, hum ok.. so if I want to have somthing that work , I need to re-image right ? Jul 30 22:30:06 Im going to use it as a phone daily, it's my only phone atm (i only have one simcard) Jul 30 22:30:11 losers of love ckock Jul 30 22:30:18 feydreva: you can always install to sd card to test Jul 30 22:30:35 linuxxr: everything comes no warranty :-) Jul 30 22:31:11 torindel, tlaking about sd card : I installed one... what do you do with it ? I heard putting the /home directoty into it was a good idea ? and you can also put the software on it ? how do you do that ? Jul 30 22:32:08 feydreva: you can even install other image on it and boot it, if you dont want to touch your main partition and reflash it when you want to test diffrent image Jul 30 22:32:47 (i use it for other image) Jul 30 22:33:12 torindel, hum... ok, that seems cool :) any wiki page you could send me to ? :P Jul 30 22:33:54 ok found it :p Jul 30 22:34:43 how do I know which gta02v? image to use? Jul 30 22:35:05 feydreva: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image, and one more w8 Jul 30 22:36:40 jmho: dont touch uboot unless you really need to (and for 99% you dont) Jul 30 22:37:03 torindel: ok, what about kernel and rootfs? Jul 30 22:37:18 jmho: do as you want here Jul 30 22:37:20 * Chox touches uboot. bbq. Jul 30 22:37:39 Chox: naughty boy Jul 30 22:37:49 * torindel bbq with Chox Jul 30 22:37:56 not especially, and I dipute the 99%. Jul 30 22:37:58 dispute. Jul 30 22:38:01 torindel: I got my device last week, so I should be a gta02v4 or 5? Jul 30 22:38:09 vbbq Jul 30 22:38:16 5 Jul 30 22:38:17 jmho: just change kernel and rootfs Jul 30 22:38:18 jmho: look under the bat ... there it is written Jul 30 22:38:35 thx Jul 30 22:38:43 or use libgsmtool Jul 30 22:38:48 jmho: you dont have to change uboot since its only kernel loader Jul 30 22:39:09 and if you fu*k it up, you'd brick your neo Jul 30 22:39:11 careful, sweeping statements Jul 30 22:39:27 torindel: let me categortically state that your statement is incorrect. Jul 30 22:39:30 torindel: ok, I understand, will only try kernel and rootfs. or is kernel sufficient? Jul 30 22:39:37 that's bullshit. Jul 30 22:39:42 torindel: it's safe to update u-boot on a Freerunner because there's a protected copy in the NOR flash Jul 30 22:39:57 mmontour: only up to 1000 times. Jul 30 22:40:02 true Jul 30 22:40:03 mmontour: and how do you update the protected copy :-) Jul 30 22:40:06 everyone's an expect nor. Jul 30 22:40:09 er, now Jul 30 22:40:16 Rigolo: with a debug board Jul 30 22:40:24 mmontour: okee Jul 30 22:40:24 jmho: update both Jul 30 22:40:40 torindel: ok, thx Jul 30 22:44:07 Rigolo: under the battery there is only "GTA02", not v4 or v5, where else can I look? Jul 30 22:45:59 jmho: If you bought your device (i.e. it's not an early prototype) then it will use the v5 image. The actual device may be v5 or v6 (check Revision in /proc/cpuinfo) but as of v5 the u-boot image can auto-detect the hardware Jul 30 22:47:28 mmontour: yes I bought it, thx Jul 30 22:52:27 do I need to flash the rootfs in every case or is it sufficient to do a "opkg upgrade"? Jul 30 22:52:50 or what is recommended? Jul 30 22:56:53 jmho: reflashing erase everything on your phone ... opkg upgrade not Jul 30 22:58:12 Rigolo: well I just got it, so there is no data on it. so regarding only the apps, both options lead to the same? Jul 30 22:59:25 jmho: if you want to move from the release image to the devel image you need to flash Jul 30 23:00:01 Rigolo: ah ok, erm what does work better? Jul 30 23:00:35 july 22nd images work better for me ... Jul 30 23:01:21 but it might not for you ... Jul 30 23:02:11 ok, I just tried the july 27th kernel imgage, no dialing possible, so I'll try the july 22nd kernel and rootfs... Jul 30 23:02:51 jmho: that is because your rootfs did not have the right modules for that kernel most likely Jul 30 23:03:28 jmho: take both the kernel and the jffs2 from the same day .. and then upgrade (with caution .. use opkg -test upgrade ) Jul 30 23:03:29 Rigolo: ah ok, then I'll flash the rootfs of 27th as well, thx :) Jul 30 23:03:36 ok Jul 30 23:03:45 jmho: there is not rootfs on the 27 ... Jul 30 23:04:02 last sucessfull rootfs that was build was on the 22nd ... Jul 30 23:04:04 Rigolo: ah yes, I just noticed Jul 30 23:04:06 arg Jul 30 23:04:13 so that is a starting point .. and then go from there Jul 30 23:04:14 no FR in stock yet :-( Jul 30 23:04:27 * Rigolo is not really leaving ... Jul 30 23:04:44 hum i guess I missed a part of the conversation that would have been usefully... Jul 30 23:04:56 Rigolo: ok, can I use it with kernel of 27th or do I have to flash both? Jul 30 23:05:32 i am reading the wiki about flashing.. it tlaks about flashing the kernel, flashing the root filesystem, and flashing u-boot Jul 30 23:05:52 wich one should be done ? (if I want to put the release version, or the version of the 22) Jul 30 23:05:54 * Rigolo is NOW really leaving ... Jul 30 23:06:07 Rigolo: thx for all your help :) Jul 30 23:06:21 01:03 < Rigolo> jmho: take both the kernel and the jffs2 from the same day .. and then upgrade (with caution .. use opkg -test upgrade ) Jul 30 23:06:30 ok Jul 30 23:06:33 th Jul 30 23:06:34 ok Jul 30 23:07:06 and for the moment .. stay away from flashing uboot ... not needed right now Jul 30 23:07:14 ok Jul 30 23:07:26 Rigolo: ok, thx again, you rock :) Jul 30 23:07:30 and now i'm gone .. or I will get a devorce, become homeless and other bad things Jul 30 23:07:37 ;) Jul 30 23:07:37 lol Jul 30 23:07:42 take care of your wife :) Jul 30 23:11:07 sigh Jul 30 23:11:29 ok, you clowns. flashing uboot is a _good_ idea. It is not scary, and will not set your house on fire. Unless you're Dave. Jul 30 23:11:44 and there a number of worthwhile updates. None of them critical, but still. Jul 30 23:11:59 all IMCE, IANAL, BBQ Jul 30 23:12:31 can i exctract something from my pc to the fr? like tar -vxf file.tar.gz > ssh 192.168.0.100 cd /media/card Jul 30 23:12:55 Chox: And being as you can't actually brick a freerunner without a debug board, well, it's fairly safe as well :) Jul 30 23:12:59 aggtrfrad: yes Jul 30 23:13:04 aggtrfrad: yes, but not exactly like that. Jul 30 23:13:05 leinir: cow bells Jul 30 23:13:18 Chox: Indeed ;) Jul 30 23:13:27 leinir: In theory. In practice, I've seen people brick their FR without a debug board... Jul 30 23:14:06 abraxa_: That's kinda impressive... Jul 30 23:14:24 maybe something like (untested): cat file.tar.gz | ssh root@192.168.0.200 "(cd /media/card ; tar -vxf -)" Jul 30 23:14:44 leinir: That's what I thought, too, so I think any warning is justified. Jul 30 23:15:29 abraxa_: i mean, with NOR being write protected on the freerunner and such... i can't help but wonder if those people somehow fail to figure out how to boot into NOR and work from there... Jul 30 23:15:54 IIRC there were suspicions that not everyones had been properly NOR flashed. Jul 30 23:15:57 abraxa_: only 2 ways I can think of - if they had a FR with a mis-programmed NOR (rare problem), or if they discharged their battery (not related to flashing u-boot, and can be jump-started with a Nokia battery) Jul 30 23:16:08 SpeedEvil: Aah, right, that'd definitely do it yeah :) Jul 30 23:16:09 paranoia city! Jul 30 23:17:15 abraxa_: maybe also possible with creative setting of u-boot environment variables, although I would expect that you could do a "reset to defaults" or something from the NOR menu Jul 30 23:17:27 Oh yes... it was something like the NOR uboot requiring some settings file in NAND yeah? Jul 30 23:18:17 Anyway, i must go and make sure my head doesn't fall off, as my neck seems to be threatening me it's about to ;) Jul 30 23:18:23 can you blow away the settings that NOR uboot uses? Jul 30 23:19:34 Chox: I don't know whether NOR u-boot gets its environment from NAND or from NOR (no FR here to test it) Jul 30 23:20:02 blowing away NOR settings would be a hassle, but not the end of the world Jul 30 23:20:10 I suspect you can't change them with debug board. Jul 30 23:20:19 without Jul 30 23:20:43 mmontour: The u-boot env modification being what someone did to brick his. He could still boot using NOR but that made the NAND u-boot env inaccessible. Thus, this was hard to fix. Jul 30 23:22:32 ahh i have a task bar back Jul 30 23:22:44 4-24-2008 Jul 30 23:22:50 hely all Jul 30 23:22:53 hey Jul 30 23:22:57 i bet the phone works Jul 30 23:23:36 Does MMS work yet, or are there any plans for it on the FR. Jul 30 23:24:44 mms does not work yet Jul 30 23:25:15 abraxa_: when I eventually get a FR I'll play around with scenarios like that, and update the wiki with recovery procedures (unless someone else has already done it by then) Jul 30 23:25:23 moooo! Jul 30 23:25:25 is mms push? Jul 30 23:25:33 eg, does it wake up gsm? Jul 30 23:25:34 mms is sms+data/gprs Jul 30 23:26:04 you get an sms saying "there's a file here for you at ... " and then you use a pre-configured APN to connect through gprs to get the file Jul 30 23:26:05 mmontour: I applaud you if you pull through with that :) Jul 30 23:26:35 ieatlint: i found that mms is cheaper per data than gprs Jul 30 23:26:43 linters! Jul 30 23:27:01 zash, because the APN used to download the message doesn't charge you for data Jul 30 23:27:13 since it's mms ... some providers charge for mms separately from sms Jul 30 23:27:15 hey chox Jul 30 23:27:31 zash, you connect to an entirely different apn for mms versus data Jul 30 23:28:03 ieatlint: on my current prepaid plan, mms and sms cost the same Jul 30 23:28:06 for the sender Jul 30 23:28:26 yeah, the US providers just lump them together now Jul 30 23:28:43 they used to be separately charged here on a per-message basis (not per kb for mms) Jul 30 23:29:55 anyway, to my knowledge none of the existing images support juggling gprs and telephony/sms simultaneously Jul 30 23:30:12 and a mms is up to 300 kb Jul 30 23:30:56 so at present, the FR is a de-facto class C gprs device (meaning, you can have sms/telephony OR gprs) ... the hardware supports class B (which means it can do gprs and still receive gsm events, suspending the gprs to give telephony/sms priority) Jul 30 23:31:33 yeah there is the muxer bit but its default integration... Jul 30 23:31:53 ieatlint afaik fso supports muxing, but there is no gprs ui yet Jul 30 23:32:16 kristian-m, interesting... i'll need to look into that Jul 30 23:32:25 not sure what device to attach pppd to though Jul 30 23:32:50 you request a pty from the muxer Jul 30 23:33:47 http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=otapi/xhtml/docbook-org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.xhtml;hb=HEAD Jul 30 23:34:22 eveing lint Jul 30 23:34:45 i guess that means you'll get a pdp context directly, dont know how to connect to pppd though Jul 30 23:35:40 hmmm Jul 30 23:36:00 it seems to imply it launches pppd for you Jul 30 23:36:02 hey kd8ikt Jul 30 23:37:14 yay - my freerunner comes tomorrow :D Jul 30 23:37:20 yay4h Jul 30 23:37:21 u Jul 30 23:37:26 yay, had mine 3 weeks :o Jul 30 23:38:17 am i right in saying that tangoGPS doesn't currently have turn by turn directions? Jul 30 23:38:23 Yes. Jul 30 23:38:29 It has direction to waypoint. Jul 30 23:38:45 It simply uses the tiles as a moving map Jul 30 23:38:46 but i assume that this feature is planned? Jul 30 23:38:57 check out its homepage and see. Jul 30 23:39:04 or contact its dev. Jul 30 23:39:10 ajbrun: no Jul 30 23:39:18 i did, but they don't have a manual up yet, which is what i'd use Jul 30 23:39:26 ajbrun: turn by turn routing is really a whole new program. Jul 30 23:39:31 anyone had bluetooth running on gta02? Jul 30 23:39:37 ajbrun: the map is entirely useless for routing. Jul 30 23:39:43 ajbrun: you need the vector data. Jul 30 23:39:43 oh ok - fair enough Jul 30 23:40:49 kristian-m, if you mean bt headset, no Jul 30 23:40:53 but there's going to be an opensource tom-tom like device coming out soon though isn't there? Jul 30 23:40:58 ajbrun: no Jul 30 23:40:58 if you mean bluetooth working, able to pair devices and such, yes Jul 30 23:41:03 Roger the Vector on that, Victor Jul 30 23:41:11 ajbrun: the primary problem is not the routing software. That's easy. Jul 30 23:41:17 ajbrun: the problem is the maps. Jul 30 23:41:23 ieatlint i mean hciconfig and hcitool dev showing the device Jul 30 23:41:37 ajbrun: good maps are expensive, and the vendors don't let you use them for free. Jul 30 23:41:42 wait for openstreamap to get betterer Jul 30 23:41:42 ieatlint how do you turn on the deice? Jul 30 23:41:51 ajbrun: in verly limited areas openstreetmap works. Jul 30 23:41:52 i see Jul 30 23:42:09 ajbrun: but for example, there are currently no turn restrictions in the openstreetmaps database. Jul 30 23:42:26 As nobodies implemented it in one of the popular editors. Jul 30 23:42:43 not to mention nobody's Jul 30 23:42:53 ieatlint oh, you do have to du reset - missed that Jul 30 23:43:00 yep Jul 30 23:43:06 was in the midst of typing my reply Jul 30 23:43:12 the directions on the wiki work for me Jul 30 23:43:15 thats new in gta02 Jul 30 23:43:43 ajbrun, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Pyroute Jul 30 23:43:54 ieatlint i hope to have that in settingsgui, and never think of it again then ;-) Jul 30 23:44:25 kristian-m, yeah, it should be.. hehe Jul 30 23:44:27 ty ieatlint - i'll take a look when my internet catches up with me Jul 30 23:44:35 Do the pink stripey roads in OSM suggest roads with speed bumps? Jul 30 23:44:40 not sure if the bt on/off switch in 2007.2 does it Jul 30 23:44:47 looks interesting Jul 30 23:45:04 bbl Jul 30 23:45:15 how do i add launchers to FSO Jul 30 23:45:55 kd8jbx: see http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/USB-Missile-Rocket-Launcher-Office-Toy-Gadget_W0QQitemZ110274771319QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item110274771319 Jul 30 23:47:19 SpeedEvil, it's only for windows 2000 and xp, someone is reverse enginnering drivers? Jul 30 23:47:31 Dunno. Jul 30 23:47:38 It would be funny though. Jul 30 23:48:10 my lil cousin has one Jul 30 23:49:10 hehe Jul 30 23:49:12 doesnt thta just piss you off though, there should be source with every driver Jul 30 23:49:15 set that up with the phone Jul 30 23:49:31 kd8ikt, reverse engineering that is probably not too difficult Jul 30 23:49:39 just dump the usb, not like they're going to bother to encrypt Jul 30 23:49:57 ieatlint: security on missiles is usually quite high :) Jul 30 23:50:06 Yep :) Jul 30 23:50:21 * SpeedEvil ponders one for a camera mount. Jul 30 23:50:28 but like my lexmark printer... wtf they have linux drivers(sdk) for like 3 printers , guess what? that doesnt include my printer Jul 30 23:50:49 wtf bbq. Jul 30 23:50:50 SpeedEvil, not if they're made in the US Jul 30 23:50:56 lexmark loses Jul 30 23:51:24 buy them from thinkgeek, then they're more likely to have Linux drivers Jul 30 23:51:31 we have an odd habit of shipping missile pieces to other countries, accidently flying them across the country and letting our operators fall asleep on duty Jul 30 23:51:35 oh, printers, not launchers ;-) Jul 30 23:51:57 linty: USASSR Jul 30 23:52:08 lol Jul 30 23:52:19 i was inside a truck container once and found a bill of lading for pheonix missles Jul 30 23:52:26 it was a carbon coby Jul 30 23:52:42 copy* Jul 30 23:53:25 security is in general a joke Jul 30 23:53:27 anyone familiar with the way that glamo is being used? does every screen update require a a full rewrite from cpu to glamo? for example in 2007.2 application menu Jul 30 23:54:03 or could it cache a large image of the menu, and scroll down it? Jul 30 23:54:07 peepsalot, have you looked into Xglamo? since i have a feeling that's where you'd find out Jul 30 23:55:31 no, i will try looking there. my knowledge of x in general is pretty poor though. i don't much understand how all the layers works between applications and the screen Jul 30 23:56:41 ieatlint, i would have thought maybe the code to change would be in the application specific, such as the app menu Jul 30 23:57:54 well, the gui you see doesn't have its own library, it's using cairo or gtk or something Jul 30 23:58:36 i guess i just don't get how or if acceleration is even possible through gtk, etc. Jul 30 23:58:52 is there any kind of primer someone could recommend? Jul 30 23:59:20 i'm an amateur at gui programming myself, so i'm no authoritative source Jul 30 23:59:28 and no one seems to know the name of that damn app menu either Jul 30 23:59:47 which app menu? Jul 30 23:59:55 love the fso keyboard Jul 30 23:59:58 enlightenment? Jul 31 00:00:10 * kd8ikt throws is stylus in the garbage Jul 31 00:00:10 kd8ikt: fso milestone2? Jul 31 00:00:11 AntonTakk, the one in 2007.2. that scrolls around using the finger Jul 31 00:00:54 yeah july 30 build Jul 31 00:01:08 it's just incredibly annoying how slow this scrolling is Jul 31 00:01:29 if you move your finger just a little too much, you gotta wait another 20 seconds for the damn thing to stop Jul 31 00:01:50 yeah it needs to be more responsive Jul 31 00:02:02 i would like to help, but i'm pretty clueless as to where I would even start Jul 31 00:02:17 the source will guide you Jul 31 00:02:38 kd8ikt: i don't see it on buildhost, got a link? Jul 31 00:02:53 kd8ikt, i don't know where to find the source for this menu app Jul 31 00:03:04 today Jul 31 00:04:34 openmoko-today Jul 31 00:05:07 damn my inbox from the mailinglist has almost reached 1k Jul 31 00:05:16 (unread) Jul 31 00:05:45 I reached 24,000 E-mails today Jul 31 00:05:50 from 7-10-2004 Jul 31 00:06:15 has it really been going that long? Jul 31 00:06:21 that's pretty impressive tbh Jul 31 00:06:40 or is it called openmoko-today2? Jul 31 00:06:52 nevermind - found it Jul 31 00:06:55 kd8ikt, i think i found it. http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/browser/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-appmanager2 Jul 31 00:07:00 i think today is the calendar app Jul 31 00:08:44 kd8ikt: i don't see the gta02 image? Jul 31 00:08:59 for what Jul 31 00:09:31 fso? gtoa2's jffs is the .summary file Jul 31 00:09:47 misnamed or somethin Jul 31 00:10:01 oh, ok, i'll try it, thanks Jul 31 00:10:11 i flashed the gtoa1's jffs a few times before Ainulindale pointed that out to me Jul 31 00:10:30 if you notice they are the same size roughly Jul 31 00:10:42 6 mb difference Jul 31 00:10:46 close Jul 31 00:11:10 is it making calls reliably? Jul 31 00:11:31 i hardly use my phone so i cant really say Jul 31 00:11:42 pfft :-P Jul 31 00:16:14 mokomake/sources/openmoko-today2/src/today-launcher.c Jul 31 00:17:04 hope it's at least a reasonably reliable phone/contact list Jul 31 00:18:02 spare me Jul 31 00:18:09 ? Jul 31 00:18:28 AntonTakk, it is Jul 31 00:18:32 sms is not as reliable Jul 31 00:18:37 send always seems to work Jul 31 00:18:57 sms not so terribly important, imho Jul 31 00:19:01 names longer then like 13chars dont save Jul 31 00:19:03 receiving doesn't produce a tone, and i've had people tell me they sent a message, me say "uhm, no?" ... reboot the phone, and the message is there Jul 31 00:19:04 at least atm Jul 31 00:19:17 kd8ikt, that is probably a limitation of the sim Jul 31 00:19:18 nice Jul 31 00:29:28 mofi rules! Jul 31 00:34:06 kd8ikt: got listed in the ULS, KrisAbsinthe Jul 31 00:41:18 wow, fso seems to take quite a while to register to the network Jul 31 00:41:26 but it is very nice :) Jul 31 00:42:53 heh sweeet Jul 31 00:44:08 kd8jbx: can you pickup the fairfield 145.39 repeaeter? or 145.35? Jul 31 00:44:44 http://www.warn.org/ has a nice repeaterlist Jul 31 00:46:49 kd8ikt: sweet thanks, I have to drive back to NY for business, Im glad I got my license before the trip Jul 31 00:47:07 Ill check on those repeaters in a few minutes, can you access your rig Jul 31 00:47:48 yea my crappy handheld Jul 31 00:48:01 any native german speakers around ? Jul 31 00:48:53 sprechen auf deutsche ist strecht verboten! Jul 31 00:49:22 jk, that's about as much german as i know though. and it's probably all wrong Jul 31 00:49:27 wonder if there is a #openmoko-de Jul 31 00:49:56 I speak some german, very basic though Jul 31 00:50:19 most ohio repeaters have a pl tone of 123 Jul 31 00:50:26 I need a native speaker for a grammar question Jul 31 00:51:04 kd8ikt: ill have to check how to fix that in my radio Jul 31 00:51:38 what can be done for a script that makes multiple scp and ssh calls, to avoid entering the password more than once? Jul 31 00:52:00 make the password a string maybe Jul 31 00:52:24 kd8ikt: going to check those repeaters Jul 31 00:53:51 can you set the ssh password on the command line? Jul 31 00:53:52 peepsalot: man ssh Jul 31 00:54:14 i was just there, i swear Jul 31 00:54:40 peepsalot: you copy ~/ssh keys aroudn Jul 31 00:55:01 ssh-copy-id! Jul 31 00:55:43 ssh-keygen && ssh-copy-id $SOMEHOSTNAME Jul 31 00:55:54 You copy your own ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to device:~/.ssh/authorized_keys Jul 31 00:55:56 or similar Jul 31 01:03:25 kd8ikt: i can hear but the noise is terrible Jul 31 01:04:30 really you heard me? Jul 31 01:04:36 i called out a few times Jul 31 01:04:37 what's kd8? Jul 31 01:04:57 its like the crips and bloods peepsalot Jul 31 01:05:02 cooool Jul 31 01:05:05 I heard alot of stuff, but mostly somthing about food Jul 31 01:05:16 535? Jul 31 01:05:24 peepsalot: its ham radio Jul 31 01:05:28 that sounds like 145.35 crap Jul 31 01:05:37 thats where I was Jul 31 01:05:42 ah Jul 31 01:05:55 you want me to check 145.535 Jul 31 01:05:57 ah i didnt call in that one cause they never shutup for one Jul 31 01:06:33 now if you had a huge arse antenna and boosted the power all the way i bet you could hit it Jul 31 01:06:58 I got 65W, just need some yagis Jul 31 01:07:24 * SpeedEvil cues the south-park arse-antenna scene. Jul 31 01:07:32 i gave up getting a VX8R for this phone Jul 31 01:07:55 http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/ht/0008.html Jul 31 01:08:04 brb ill go check 145.535 Jul 31 01:08:26 ok i'll jump on it for a sec Jul 31 01:12:02 kd8ikt: got nothing, didnt expect much lol Jul 31 01:15:24 Joerg :) Jul 31 01:19:12 CQ CQ CQ Jul 31 01:19:26 mm? Jul 31 01:20:19 Yashy: he he Jul 31 01:20:37 heh did ya hear me on 535? Jul 31 01:20:59 kd8ikt: i got nothing on that one Jul 31 01:21:06 oh crap Jul 31 01:21:16 wich could you pickup?' Jul 31 01:21:33 145.390 i believe Jul 31 01:21:57 oh well thats closer to dayton cause 535 is down on the river Jul 31 01:22:13 its further away but higher in the air Jul 31 01:22:24 Dave: mooo Jul 31 01:22:53 is 145.390 a 88.5 pl Jul 31 01:23:17 is the The Neo 1973 the old phone ? Jul 31 01:23:35 Hello! :) Jul 31 01:23:45 Joerg, did you hear what happened to me today? :\ Jul 31 01:23:53 richiefrich: yes Jul 31 01:24:02 kd8jbx_: thats what i thought' Jul 31 01:24:09 Dave: ? molten FR? Jul 31 01:24:22 :D Jul 31 01:24:25 prettymuch Jul 31 01:24:29 thing would no longer boot Jul 31 01:24:48 every time I hard reset, it froze on the openmoko orange graphic immediately, and then got very hot Jul 31 01:24:56 and I had to remove the battery to shut it off each time :| Jul 31 01:25:02 yep, heard kernel is broken in recent immage Jul 31 01:25:10 I eventually flashed NOR. Jul 31 01:25:12 :| Jul 31 01:25:18 So it's a known kernel issue? o_O Jul 31 01:25:26 nah, flash kernel! ;-) Jul 31 01:25:34 oh, goody. Jul 31 01:25:41 Silliness. Jul 31 01:25:48 kd8jbx_: can you tell me the difference in the W.E. freerunner and the one not from Canada> Jul 31 01:25:50 thats what I seem to remember Jul 31 01:25:50 Well, for a moment I was worried. Jul 31 01:26:10 go back some days for a good image Jul 31 01:26:13 Whenever my freerunner becomes dead or unresponsive and is extremely hot, I say, OH no! Jul 31 01:26:17 :) Jul 31 01:26:39 That's what I get for keeping "up to date," eh Joerg? ;) Jul 31 01:27:08 Dave: the components a lot of them have temp-prot - triggering at sth like 150°C!!! Jul 31 01:27:20 O_O Jul 31 01:27:22 holy crap Jul 31 01:27:39 that's crazy! Jul 31 01:27:45 what U think is hot, feels cosy to those chips Jul 31 01:28:17 hehe Jul 31 01:28:20 maybe :P Jul 31 01:28:29 but when my screen protector melted last week, I know it was bad :D Jul 31 01:28:39 HUH??? Jul 31 01:28:45 I left it in the car Jul 31 01:28:49 bad idea :p Jul 31 01:28:50 ahhhh Jul 31 01:28:57 :P Jul 31 01:29:05 I was like holy shit when I got back Jul 31 01:29:10 I'm glad I got back when I did :P Jul 31 01:29:15 omg Jul 31 01:29:20 did it come off? Jul 31 01:29:29 oh, the screen protector? Jul 31 01:29:31 not cause any real dmg? Jul 31 01:29:42 first it bubbled, then curled up, then melted Jul 31 01:30:01 sounds rather exciting, until you factor in potential device damage :P Jul 31 01:30:10 yikes Jul 31 01:31:43 :D Jul 31 01:31:53 mmm... ooey gooey freerunner goodness :p Jul 31 01:32:01 kd8ikt: when WARN says" Transmits *.* PL" do i have to set my radio to that Jul 31 01:33:35 uh oh Jul 31 01:33:43 are you guy analogin'? :p Jul 31 01:34:52 ;) Jul 31 01:35:32 :P Jul 31 01:35:36 just wait till the apacolypse Dave then we'll see who laughs last Jul 31 01:35:44 haw :p Jul 31 01:35:48 when your precious cellular towers dont function Jul 31 01:36:05 fuck cellular Jul 31 01:36:14 I hope it does go down in some terrorist conspiracy Jul 31 01:36:19 or apocolypse Jul 31 01:36:23 lol, when the aliens blast the satellites we shall prevail lol Jul 31 01:36:25 I'll be ready with my SAT phone, thank you :P Jul 31 01:36:28 and i'll be pissed that the gsm firmware is locked Jul 31 01:36:29 oh, pfft :P Jul 31 01:36:30 jerks :P Jul 31 01:36:44 haha aliens... gsm... Jul 31 01:37:21 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,390161,00.html Jul 31 01:37:44 ^--astronaut says aliens are real and govt has known for years Jul 31 01:37:49 lol Jul 31 01:37:56 thats funny, Jul 31 01:38:04 ......or is it Jul 31 01:39:14 i think he's having a "senior moment" Jul 31 01:39:59 kd8ikt: I see what you meant by 535, the radio group Jul 31 01:40:11 not 145.535 Jul 31 01:40:43 they never shut up Jul 31 01:40:49 cant ever get a word in Jul 31 01:40:54 I noticed that Jul 31 01:41:12 its the cincinnati rumke repeater (garbage) Jul 31 01:41:39 i guess that comes with being the highest antenna Jul 31 01:41:46 so manny people can hit it Jul 31 01:42:03 thats true, maybe they should split it into many repeaters Jul 31 01:42:53 kinda why i want to go HF 50mhz and under where there is no need for repeaters and you can reach the world Jul 31 01:43:36 kd8ikt: im going to get the money for a HF rig then get extra class. I get some HF bands as a tech class, but not enough lol Jul 31 01:44:22 6meter sounds like fin cause its just above 50mhz and tech's can use it slightly exhibits the same propegation as HF Jul 31 01:44:48 propagation Jul 31 01:45:08 sporadic E Jul 31 01:45:19 cool, sounds good, I want a base station for HF Jul 31 01:47:56 widh hamvention was sooner Jul 31 01:48:02 *wish Jul 31 01:48:13 * Yashy has been to hamvention a couple times Jul 31 01:48:27 sooner? It was just a couple months ago :) Jul 31 01:48:59 didnt have my license or extra cash then Jul 31 01:53:05 kd8ikt: looks like a small window on 10 meter too Jul 31 02:01:12 If you guys wanna try an HF QSO to VE7 we'll setup a sked... Jul 31 02:01:41 anyone using the FR as your primary phone? Jul 31 02:02:28 Yashy: be great once I get a HF rig Jul 31 02:02:50 Yashy: dude what is all that? Jul 31 02:02:55 fuzzyt: I am... semi-successfully Jul 31 02:03:07 rival: what image you using? Jul 31 02:04:56 a hdd in my NAS died over the weekend, and the warranty ran up on july 13 Jul 31 02:05:27 ieatlint: doh! That hurts. Jul 31 02:05:38 opened it up though... turns out it's a 500mhz arm cpu with 256mb ram, a usb host, 2 sata channels and gbit ethernet Jul 31 02:05:44 i'm going to have fun :) Jul 31 02:06:08 can you fit it in a case and hold it to your ear!?! :) Jul 31 02:06:45 it's already in a case! Jul 31 02:06:56 GA03? Jul 31 02:07:11 and if i took out just the mobo, it'd be about 4 inchs by 6 inches Jul 31 02:07:35 openbronko Jul 31 02:08:03 netburner plus Jul 31 02:08:11 you could put a sata drive on each side of a beer hat! :D Jul 31 02:08:18 nevermind, better for beer. Jul 31 02:09:16 the thing runs off 12v, i could put it in my car easily Jul 31 02:10:12 oh nice, the drive is under warranty by western digital still Jul 31 02:10:18 ieatlint: car voltage varies from 4V to 16V under 'normal' conditions, -80 to 80V or so in fault conditions. Jul 31 02:11:07 heh, that gives me concern about continuing to use my cheap ac inverter for my laptop Jul 31 02:11:47 ieatlint: just plugging stuff in because it says '12v' on the label is unwise. Jul 31 02:12:05 i was more kidding, i've no idea what it'd do with it in my car Jul 31 02:12:28 so I found a few posts on the ML about fixing the mic volume, but I've yet to see instructions that actually work for turning up the ear volume... anyone know which of the millions of things in gsmhandset.state is the one? Jul 31 02:14:05 oh wait, wow... it has 512mb ram... there's another chip on the other side of the board Jul 31 02:14:40 proly registered ram Jul 31 02:15:01 ieatlint: why'd your nas want 512 mb ram? Jul 31 02:16:15 no idea, but it has two 256mb chips Jul 31 02:16:26 megabit or byte Jul 31 02:16:55 byte Jul 31 02:17:12 it did support cups print queues and samba for cifs Jul 31 02:17:25 along with ftp, php/web interface and nfs Jul 31 02:17:47 (could plug in printers into the usb, or external hdds/flash drives) Jul 31 02:20:03 too bad u dont have an iso to put on a new drive Jul 31 02:20:32 maybe the warrenty will do that Jul 31 02:21:02 LINTMAN! Jul 31 02:21:41 hey dave Jul 31 02:22:02 linuxxr, i can download the image from the company's website, but no bother Jul 31 02:22:12 one drive failed, and it mirrored the system partition on both drives Jul 31 02:22:19 so with 1 intact drive, i have it Jul 31 02:31:16 Jul 31 02:31:46 ieatlint: what kind of NAS? Jul 31 02:34:05 cheap one from hammer storage Jul 31 02:34:06 anyone seen this (seemingly generated in regards to wifi): ar6000_ioctl_giwscan(): data length 0? Jul 31 02:34:15 anyone using FSO milestone 2? Jul 31 02:36:38 mmaestri: gack, is that out already? Jul 31 02:39:52 anyone tried milestone2 already? Jul 31 02:40:18 when i press call button is semihangs for 20-25 seconds and then nothing hapens Jul 31 02:40:26 s/is/it/ Jul 31 02:40:26 torindel meant: when i press call button it semihangs for 20-25 seconds and then nothing hapens Jul 31 02:40:29 so... Jul 31 02:40:38 is it bad when a mouse-pointer shows up on the screen? Jul 31 02:43:11 lol Jul 31 02:43:25 tell me how to lose that thing Jul 31 02:44:18 is SDL working on the arm architecture? Jul 31 02:44:25 * rooly wonders if he can compile anything... Jul 31 02:49:02 i'm using FSO now Jul 31 02:49:26 mmaestri: milestone2? Jul 31 02:49:36 torindel: yes Jul 31 02:49:45 can you make call? Jul 31 02:49:56 haven't tried phone caps because i'm away from a gsm tower... Jul 31 02:50:12 i work far away from civilization... Jul 31 02:50:20 just try pressing phone button and see if it opens anything Jul 31 02:50:29 it opens Jul 31 02:50:37 a dialer Jul 31 02:50:46 for me it just hangs, no contacts menu nor dialler :/ Jul 31 02:50:55 it also has sms and contacts from sim Jul 31 02:51:03 but something weird happens... Jul 31 02:51:25 for me it doesnt have any sim contacts and adding dont work Jul 31 02:51:32 it started ok, but now the screen fades away even when i'm using it Jul 31 02:51:38 let me check sms Jul 31 02:51:45 oh that too Jul 31 02:52:14 i have to press aux button to see it again Jul 31 02:53:08 it was after i restarted xserver, but don't believe it has something to do with it Jul 31 02:53:26 i'll reboot and see what happens Jul 31 02:53:41 is their going to be a latest build of 2007.2 jffs or are they just going to keep posting kernel/uboot only Jul 31 02:53:58 there* Jul 31 02:54:30 kd8ikt: there was semi recent one lately Jul 31 02:54:42 7/22 Jul 31 02:55:08 thats like a week old Jul 31 02:55:31 is it because the git hasnt changed? Jul 31 02:57:07 i guess i have to build my own Jul 31 02:57:57 ...and now it works fine Jul 31 02:58:03 mmaestri: last question, gta01 or gta02? Jul 31 02:58:10 perhaps zhone is messing it up? Jul 31 02:58:15 torindel: gta02 Jul 31 02:58:27 gta02 ftw Jul 31 02:58:34 hardware opengl woot Jul 31 02:58:38 ok it doesnt like my sim card? -___-; Jul 31 02:58:48 rooly: not really Jul 31 02:59:06 hush, let me celebrate Jul 31 02:59:24 i'm considering porting my favorite foss 3d engine to it Jul 31 02:59:34 rooly: hardware 2d accel, and hardware 3D accel in QVGA, over a bus that makes 16 bit ISA look modern. Jul 31 02:59:47 heheh **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 31 02:59:57 2008