**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 05 02:59:57 2008 Aug 05 03:02:55 alphaone: does making and receiving calls work on yr lastest FSO ? Aug 05 03:06:30 ugh having issues GirlRiver ? Aug 05 03:07:27 kd8ikt, yiiss ... Aug 05 03:08:16 kd8ikt, have just flashed latest fso and am struggling to make ot rec calls Aug 05 03:08:43 it boots though right? Aug 05 03:09:01 yep .. boots fine Aug 05 03:09:21 and i get the zhone app and all its contents Aug 05 03:09:30 but can not make or receive calls Aug 05 03:09:38 hm Aug 05 03:09:53 does it say registering? Aug 05 03:09:57 you arent in a foild cage are you? Aug 05 03:10:30 no foiled cage .. and no, it does not say registering Aug 05 03:10:44 where would it normally show registering ? Aug 05 03:11:15 does it say no dbus at the top? Aug 05 03:11:47 in qtopia when I was having issues with calls it worked when bluetooth was turnewd off and device rebooted Aug 05 03:11:58 upper left Aug 05 03:12:20 kd8ikt, upper left only says qwerty with zhone under that Aug 05 03:12:38 your sim # wouldnt happen to be 71234 G? Aug 05 03:12:48 oo Aug 05 03:12:54 i will check Aug 05 03:13:03 from at&t? Aug 05 03:13:04 how do you check that Aug 05 03:13:29 take the battery out an look at the sim Aug 05 03:13:37 :-| no .. here in Oz it's Vodafone Aug 05 03:13:42 oo Aug 05 03:14:15 sim is g0029 Aug 05 03:15:10 and it worked fine in 2007.2 and Qtopia Aug 05 03:15:20 Oz? Aug 05 03:15:26 yip Aug 05 03:15:32 wtf is that Aug 05 03:15:36 the tabs that the holder have arnt touching the contacts anywhere are they?/ Aug 05 03:15:41 sorry Australia Aug 05 03:15:44 ok Aug 05 03:15:53 proly not the problem Aug 05 03:16:13 http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_au.shtml Aug 05 03:16:29 linuxxr, nope, contacts seem ok to me .. sim is seated right Aug 05 03:17:00 i had 1 that touched the tab on the holder Aug 05 03:18:38 kd8ikt, good info but how would the fact that AT&T are the US roaming carriers for Vodafone Australia affect this app ? Aug 05 03:18:45 wtf is oz. lols Aug 05 03:19:02 hee hee ... yep ... Aug 05 03:19:18 well justg double checking that it wasnt 3g only or somethin Aug 05 03:19:26 ok ... Aug 05 03:19:32 GirlRiver: did you get in the group buy, or order it seperately? Aug 05 03:19:41 not 3g, and it worked in 2 other stacks Aug 05 03:19:57 Group .. via Simon ... Aug 05 03:20:20 GirlRiver: :) Aug 05 03:20:31 me/ nods Aug 05 03:21:20 kgoetz, are you in SA ? Aug 05 03:21:49 GirlRiver: yep. state contact Aug 05 03:24:53 Does anyone have FSO running on their FR yet ? Aug 05 03:25:21 yes Aug 05 03:25:58 cjb, and can you make and receive calls ? Aug 05 03:26:08 yes Aug 05 03:26:20 which image are you using ? Aug 05 03:26:27 although I think maybe the microphone stops working after suspend, I'm not sure Aug 05 03:26:30 the FSO 2 snapshot Aug 05 03:27:33 FSO 2 = Milestone 2 ? Aug 05 03:27:38 yes Aug 05 03:28:12 how usable is FSO? I don't have a FreeRunner Aug 05 03:29:05 summatusmentis: it's particularly unusable Aug 05 03:29:09 summatusmentis: .. when you don't have a Freerunner Aug 05 03:29:09 cjb, and you didn't have to do and trickery to get the phone app working ? Aug 05 03:29:19 GirlRiver: nope, just worked Aug 05 03:29:21 cjb: lol Aug 05 03:29:35 * rwhitby watches http://downloads.openmoko.org/schematics/ carefully ... Aug 05 03:29:42 cjb: haha, touche Aug 05 03:29:45 I just meant in general Aug 05 03:29:46 rwhitby: wow, that'll be a big deal Aug 05 03:29:55 summatusmentis: seems okay, a little slow Aug 05 03:30:00 summatusmentis: it's python rather than C Aug 05 03:30:26 hmm Aug 05 03:30:31 whats it say/look like undeer the battery/time symbol Aug 05 03:31:09 kd8ikt, says b G1 w s the a longish green horizontal bar Aug 05 03:31:27 and the blue bar? Aug 05 03:31:43 dnt have a blue bar :-( Aug 05 03:32:01 there is an empty bar on the left Aug 05 03:32:26 isnt that the signal strenght for gsm? Aug 05 03:33:03 i know above mine it says my carrier Aug 05 03:33:03 don't know ... I'll take it ourside and see ... what is the green bar ? Aug 05 03:33:11 battery? Aug 05 03:33:25 GirlRiver: does it say "zhone!" above the left bar? Aug 05 03:33:28 empty bar on LHS with zhone! above it on mine Aug 05 03:33:38 cjb yes Aug 05 03:33:38 GirlRiver: how about if you hit the phone symbol, stays the same? Aug 05 03:33:44 (the top-left icon inside zhone) Aug 05 03:33:50 arh. Anyone have an recommendations on how to get started building python apps for the moko? Aug 05 03:33:51 that means the GSM didn't register Aug 05 03:33:55 yes Aug 05 03:34:00 pantsd_: they're just standard pygtk Aug 05 03:34:03 oooh ... Aug 05 03:34:06 blue bar Aug 05 03:34:08 cool Aug 05 03:34:09 and vodafone Aug 05 03:34:16 black magic at workj Aug 05 03:34:17 I was thinking more how do I build .ipk files Aug 05 03:34:25 pantsd_: oh. they don't have much to do with python Aug 05 03:34:41 GirlRiver: yeah, I think hitting the phone icon starts up GSM, which is kinda weird Aug 05 03:34:44 hrms. so packaging my code for distribution would be tarball ftw? Aug 05 03:34:54 I had done that 10 times Aug 05 03:35:15 pantsd_: you can do ipk. there are some pygtk projects that have done already, you could check out projects.openmoko.org and see what they did Aug 05 03:35:17 why is apache and mod_ruby such a pain in the butt? Aug 05 03:35:21 amazing .. thanks guys Aug 05 03:35:27 schweet Aug 05 03:35:47 * rooly gives up on building inside the phone Aug 05 03:35:53 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain#Packaging_your_application Aug 05 03:38:25 cjb: ok .. so how does one set the time without crashing ? Aug 05 03:38:57 GirlRiver: oh, I didn't have to do that :) Aug 05 03:39:34 kd8ikt: seems to focus on packaging c apps Aug 05 03:39:54 :-( ok thanks Aug 05 03:40:22 nano /usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin/om-make-ipkg Aug 05 03:40:31 its a shell script so... Aug 05 03:40:43 yays! Aug 05 03:41:06 any asu builds lately? Aug 05 03:41:26 asu sux Aug 05 03:41:28 :P Aug 05 03:42:25 any way i could get the perl xml module on OM Aug 05 03:43:09 i'm trying to build a danged media player for the OM Aug 05 03:51:22 hey quick question, Android is just a platform why couldn't we put Android on the openmoko? Aug 05 03:52:03 anyone want to try a package i just made? Aug 05 03:52:07 sure, kd8ikt Aug 05 03:52:11 question on makemokofle, Aug 05 03:52:15 shoot Aug 05 03:52:17 do you have lint-wifi installed Aug 05 03:52:25 lemme check... Aug 05 03:52:32 no not anymore, Aug 05 03:52:43 http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/lint-wifi_1_armv4t.ipk Aug 05 03:52:45 i've got a diff i want to apply (gps_header.diff) on the kernel Aug 05 03:52:55 where should i apply it it? Aug 05 03:53:12 hopefully that should work like normal ie a launcher and icon etc Aug 05 03:53:15 which distro? Aug 05 03:53:17 sources/git/git.openmoko.org.git.kernel.git/d4b28ec4e2818207cc0e48b90dbce581e0b779e7 <- here? Aug 05 03:53:46 railer: google hasn't opened the specs for dx yet. Aug 05 03:53:50 ieatlint: ping Aug 05 03:53:58 or it's classes specification Aug 05 03:54:07 gah, everyone's messaging me all of a sudden Aug 05 03:54:18 hey i buiklt an ipk Aug 05 03:54:21 http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/lint-wifi_1_armv4t.ipk Aug 05 03:54:47 we love you ieatlint Aug 05 03:54:59 just think if they could make an atom processor work in here Aug 05 03:55:08 liar, you're just trying to get in my pants Aug 05 03:55:12 ouch, 10 million to develop programs on Andriod SDK Aug 05 03:55:26 what!? Aug 05 03:55:45 hehe Aug 05 03:56:03 google "google Android" and watch the movie Aug 05 03:56:12 i havent tested the ipk yet so i dunno if it installs correctly Aug 05 03:57:50 it works, kd8ikt Aug 05 03:58:04 will it work on qt? Aug 05 03:58:13 it works on om2007.2 Aug 05 03:58:15 yay ieatlint want to upload it to projects as a d/l? Aug 05 03:58:31 my pants? Aug 05 03:58:41 is pygtk back in the repos yet? Aug 05 03:58:55 i guess i should add that in the dep list too when i built the pkg Aug 05 04:00:04 day changed! Aug 05 04:00:28 maybe your day Aug 05 04:01:09 just wait its creepin up on you Aug 05 04:01:49 where would i find libmcs Aug 05 04:03:11 anyone having issues charging their device? Aug 05 04:03:50 so ieatlint want to add it to the projects d/l section? Aug 05 04:04:06 show mofi wifi he smells like testes Aug 05 04:04:09 not quite yet, there's another patch up i need to try from pjz Aug 05 04:04:28 and i really wanted to get some more work done... but the lack of pygtk has basically crippled me Aug 05 04:05:04 oh i think i fixed that by installing scaredy cats pygtk Aug 05 04:05:29 with -nodeps cause it liked to grab like 5 other things including gtk fastscalling Aug 05 04:05:36 and failed Aug 05 04:07:47 * rooly officially likes lint-wifi Aug 05 04:08:04 only cool people like it Aug 05 04:08:10 darn Aug 05 04:08:10 congratulations, rooly Aug 05 04:08:35 it's one of those "it just works" kina configurators, isn't it Aug 05 04:10:16 hello Aug 05 04:10:29 you think if i start posting email addresses like ieatlint@te";exit;b.com i could actually get those damned email spiders to screw up at all? Aug 05 04:12:17 heh Aug 05 04:12:20 worth a shot Aug 05 04:12:41 add in a rm -rf / Aug 05 04:13:51 or a way to dd Aug 05 04:14:01 spammers suck to the entire drive Aug 05 04:14:49 /dev/sda < /dev/random Aug 05 04:15:19 can even drop the spaces on that one Aug 05 04:15:37 take that mbr/partition table! Aug 05 04:18:09 i was in #remote-exploit and watched as someone like "OMG how do i hack into my g/f's myspace/yahoo account" and they got him to boot backtrack and format his drive Aug 05 04:18:23 lol Aug 05 04:18:36 using dd to download all the hacker tools from /dev/zero Aug 05 04:18:46 he let that shit run for like two days too Aug 05 04:18:46 hey, kd8ikt do you know about the DCC SEND exploit? Aug 05 04:18:58 STARTKEYLOGGER Aug 05 04:19:15 whaou.. u m doing an opkg upgrade... there is a bunch of kernel module comming in... what are all thoses for ? Aug 05 04:19:19 DCC SEND StartKeylogger 0 0 0 Aug 05 04:19:24 heh Aug 05 04:19:27 heheh Aug 05 04:19:33 oh, there are 3 now Aug 05 04:19:50 i knew someone who has that as their hostmask Aug 05 04:19:52 you two guys need better irc clients Aug 05 04:19:57 ouch Aug 05 04:20:10 its not irc its their routers and or firewall software Aug 05 04:20:19 orly? Aug 05 04:20:30 hmm, are there any sample python apps for the om? Aug 05 04:20:34 spi enabled (stateful packet filter) Aug 05 04:20:48 it sees that and drops the connection Aug 05 04:21:18 * rooly has a bag of belly flops Aug 05 04:21:40 seriously Aug 05 04:21:45 those guys need to learn that if they want to hack a machine, they need to physically access it Aug 05 04:21:51 mmmm, belly flops Aug 05 04:21:55 isn't there SOME little-to-no dependancy media player? Aug 05 04:21:58 been to the jelly belly factory? Aug 05 04:22:07 somebody i know Aug 05 04:22:22 http://home.fuse.net/CypherPunk/jeggan_gets_owned.txt Aug 05 04:28:43 hum I did a opkg upgrade, and it chaned all the addresse from the daily-feed, to http://my-distribution.org... is that "normal" Aug 05 04:29:02 in the /etc/okpg/xxx.conf Aug 05 04:30:19 does suspend work on FSO .. if it does, how ? Aug 05 04:30:45 GirlRiver: have you read the wiki? Aug 05 04:31:35 something about 2 seconds on the power button to suspend Aug 05 04:32:01 does FSO have its own wiki ? Aug 05 04:32:48 undrwate1, thank you !! Aug 05 04:32:53 there's http://trac.freesmartphone.org/wiki Aug 05 04:34:24 2 seconds on the power button does nothing here Aug 05 04:35:08 but it does turn off the screen pretty reliably... i tend to get like 8+ hours... it's like it's the year 2000 all over again, only the screen is in colour Aug 05 04:35:57 ;heh Aug 05 04:36:13 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO_UI_Tutorial#Suspend Aug 05 04:37:13 * undrwater about to boot fso for first time Aug 05 04:37:16 i don't work under a cell tower anymore with aspirations to try and put a faraday cage around it Aug 05 04:37:20 :( Aug 05 04:37:21 undrwater, fableous .. thank you !! ! Aug 05 04:37:34 GirlRiver: np Aug 05 04:38:26 did everyone get crazy kernel messages? Aug 05 04:38:48 "empty flash at...." Aug 05 04:39:17 anybody familiar with date, and ntp ? Aug 05 04:39:19 did you flash maybe a gta01 image? Aug 05 04:39:23 hello everyone Aug 05 04:39:38 hey. anyone having problems with the git tree in OE? Aug 05 04:39:40 I just got a new freerunner in the mail today Aug 05 04:40:05 kd8ikt: hmm...kernel was gta02, but rootfs was gta01 Aug 05 04:40:12 lol someones newer then GirlRiver Aug 05 04:40:36 whats the comamnd to pull an IP from dhcp on the openmoko I can't seem to pull an ip wirelssly on my openmoko Aug 05 04:40:45 udhcpc Aug 05 04:40:48 brian|lfs: udhcpc eth0 Aug 05 04:40:49 oh lol Aug 05 04:40:54 thats funny lol Aug 05 04:41:22 fso is purty Aug 05 04:42:42 HOORAY !!! Finally a newer newb !! Aug 05 04:43:07 * pjz usta play counterstrike as s00p3rn00b Aug 05 04:44:16 ok how do I get 0 I keep getting the + sign Aug 05 04:46:07 GirlRiver: did you download the jffs.summary file? Aug 05 04:46:12 for rootfs? Aug 05 04:47:18 undrwater, yes .. and flashed it as rootfs :-) Aug 05 04:47:28 tnx! Aug 05 04:48:12 hum.. since I installed ntp, FR alays gives me the UTC date.. anything I could do to solve that ? Aug 05 04:48:48 undrwater:http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/ Aug 05 04:49:10 * rooly is annoyed Aug 05 04:49:18 weird it exits with error code one Aug 05 04:49:54 GirlRiver: ah! those are more recent images than the wiki points to Aug 05 04:50:16 run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/99avahi-autoipd exited with code 1 Aug 05 04:50:26 what does this mean? Aug 05 04:50:34 ya Aug 05 04:50:35 undrwater, yes, they are, thanks to kd8ikt pointing me there Aug 05 04:50:45 thats my error Aug 05 04:50:56 and keeps trying to get an ip and never does Aug 05 04:51:16 undrwater, however, when i do "opkg update" I get signature errors Aug 05 04:51:32 I'm getting that also Aug 05 04:51:36 GirlRiver, the .sig files have been broken for a long time Aug 05 04:51:36 GirlRiver: apparently you can ignore those Aug 05 04:51:50 it's no problem Aug 05 04:51:59 hmmm .. sooo much for my newb brain to take in Aug 05 04:52:02 - sigh - Aug 05 04:52:30 is it normal for me to have no luck with the ata&t work or wifi for wireless out of the box? Aug 05 04:52:34 I can't either to work Aug 05 04:52:42 so should I upgrade anyway ? I thought I should not until I sorted the error Aug 05 04:52:55 at&t not working? Aug 05 04:53:04 brian|lfs, the wifi takes configurating Aug 05 04:53:10 u got an at&t sim Aug 05 04:53:15 try opkg install lint-wifi Aug 05 04:53:19 ya went to a store Aug 05 04:53:29 wat # is on it? Aug 05 04:53:33 and they did a sim swap becuase I had an sim card from a first gen iphone Aug 05 04:53:42 74321 Aug 05 04:53:45 something Aug 05 04:53:47 G? Aug 05 04:53:56 ya its a 3g card Aug 05 04:54:00 I'm pretty sure Aug 05 04:54:01 nono Aug 05 04:54:07 71234 G Aug 05 04:54:14 71234 O Aug 05 04:54:15 linuxxr: i picked up the O today... Aug 05 04:54:17 I'm tired Aug 05 04:54:25 look now Aug 05 04:54:25 numbers are coming out backwards Aug 05 04:54:40 ok pulling battery Aug 05 04:54:49 have a jelly belly belly flop Aug 05 04:54:53 linuxxr: registered within 10 seconds of bootup Aug 05 04:55:01 yup Aug 05 04:55:06 i thought so Aug 05 04:55:17 i was right ? Aug 05 04:55:23 and to think i went to the dentist today... Aug 05 04:55:24 you were right Aug 05 04:55:34 thanks! Aug 05 04:55:39 rooly i need help Aug 05 04:55:44 i can try Aug 05 04:55:47 an u the man Aug 05 04:55:49 don't call me an expert tho Aug 05 04:55:52 ok, fine Aug 05 04:55:53 i'm the man Aug 05 04:55:56 why am i the man? Aug 05 04:55:58 i think Aug 05 04:56:09 sorry if u a lady Aug 05 04:56:09 i added my experience to the wiki discussion Aug 05 04:56:24 ya its the number you read me Aug 05 04:56:24 i did to but it got erased Aug 05 04:56:35 not a lady Aug 05 04:56:38 the discussion section? Aug 05 04:56:39 71234 O Aug 05 04:56:40 just wondering what made me so great Aug 05 04:56:51 see the tab shorting to the contact on the sim? Aug 05 04:57:00 oo Aug 05 04:57:02 o no Aug 05 04:57:12 hes got a good 1 Aug 05 04:57:31 so did he jsut f up on porting my data then Aug 05 04:57:39 well just turn gsm on then Aug 05 04:57:58 it comes on automatically and all I get is phone far as I can tell Aug 05 04:58:15 well then Aug 05 04:58:41 I tried installing a web broser and nothing opens Aug 05 04:58:57 brian|lfs, you'll need to connect to the internet somehow Aug 05 04:59:14 I was able towith the usb cable Aug 05 04:59:28 I"ll trying pinging google in a minute Aug 05 04:59:32 maybe its a dns issue Aug 05 04:59:47 u gotts change /etc/resolv.conf Aug 05 04:59:57 that makes sense Aug 05 05:00:10 is it hard to move the cursor around in files on the touch screen Aug 05 05:00:15 to your desktop /etc/resolv.conf Aug 05 05:00:16 if I'm in vi Aug 05 05:00:51 ya I know what you mean my ips dns servers Aug 05 05:01:24 should the phoen say something besides at&t at the top Aug 05 05:01:29 for the network Aug 05 05:01:33 all it says is at&t Aug 05 05:02:00 that's all it needs to say Aug 05 05:02:11 the bar is black at the top? Aug 05 05:02:15 so it shouldn't need to say gprs liek the iphone Aug 05 05:02:45 http://pastebin.com/d25e38b63 Aug 05 05:03:02 no Aug 05 05:03:05 this isn't an iphone Aug 05 05:03:21 for the wifi Aug 05 05:03:22 thank og Aug 05 05:03:24 the only comparison that can be made to an iphone is the screeen and the price Aug 05 05:03:33 there is a new package call wifi-radar... Aug 05 05:03:40 for easy wifi configuration Aug 05 05:03:45 where Aug 05 05:03:52 lint, mofi, and apparently wifi-radar Aug 05 05:03:58 opkg intall wifi-radar Aug 05 05:04:00 why don't people make bluetooth! Aug 05 05:04:07 mofi i get errors on Aug 05 05:04:08 i hate wifi-radar for the desktop... Aug 05 05:04:09 i'm gonna be stuck doing it, won't it Aug 05 05:04:11 lint is not in package : okpg Aug 05 05:04:21 seems not Aug 05 05:04:25 for lint, you have to install it manuallt : cf wifi page lint-wifi Aug 05 05:04:37 wifi-radar is direclty with opkg Aug 05 05:04:43 wget lint Aug 05 05:06:12 anyone else having trouble making changes to u-boot menu stick through a reboot? Aug 05 05:06:36 * rooly is about to kill someone Aug 05 05:06:38 ARGH! Aug 05 05:06:41 headache Aug 05 05:06:56 wat if a simple command to hook to wifi ssid Aug 05 05:08:22 i use this script: Aug 05 05:08:29 linuxxr: everything else default? Aug 05 05:08:55 rooly: I appoint Steve Jobs. Go get him. Aug 05 05:09:01 hey linuxxr if I click power up gsm network it don't pwoer up but if I click auto register it connects Aug 05 05:09:06 could that mean there is a problem Aug 05 05:09:23 undrwater: two things to check - make sure you did a 'saveenv', and make sure that you're booting into the NAND version of u-boot after reboot. Aug 05 05:09:24 fuck. Aug 05 05:09:32 well.. my device refuses to hold a charge. Aug 05 05:10:16 need some spares Aug 05 05:10:18 are there known hardware bugs related to charging? Aug 05 05:10:21 mmontour: so it will only show up on NAND? Aug 05 05:11:02 I think so (but I don't have a FR to confirm it) Aug 05 05:11:07 http://irrlichtirc.g0dsoft.com/paste/141 Aug 05 05:11:11 is there a google adresse speical for the mobile phone format ? Aug 05 05:11:26 linuxxr, that's my quick configurator Aug 05 05:11:38 modify the wpa_supplicant for whatever network your using Aug 05 05:11:55 make a .desktop in /usr/share/applications to launch the script Aug 05 05:11:55 mmontour: 1973? Aug 05 05:12:00 yup Aug 05 05:12:03 do I have to wget wifi-radar from somewhere Aug 05 05:12:03 and it auto connects to the network Aug 05 05:12:16 shouldn't need to brian|lfs if it's in the repo's Aug 05 05:12:29 mmontour: so saveenv, then reboot right into NAND...and new menu item should show? Aug 05 05:12:33 I don't see it in the repos Aug 05 05:12:42 opkg list | grep wifi-radar Aug 05 05:13:01 yep Aug 05 05:13:02 me neither Aug 05 05:13:15 opkg update Aug 05 05:13:20 opkg |grep wifi Aug 05 05:13:29 already did that, feydreva Aug 05 05:13:32 Yes, it should show up then (after you power off and then power on again) Aug 05 05:13:42 wait Aug 05 05:13:46 mmontour: thanks i'll try that Aug 05 05:14:10 thanks i try it Aug 05 05:14:25 maybe it s in a naother repositorie Aug 05 05:14:31 must be Aug 05 05:14:32 I"m getting all 404 not found right now for all the sites Aug 05 05:14:37 i have couple other mre than the usual one Aug 05 05:14:40 its not in scardeycat or the base repos Aug 05 05:14:58 rabenfrost? Aug 05 05:15:03 src/gz base http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2007/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/ Aug 05 05:15:08 do you have this one ? Aug 05 05:15:25 src/gz celtune-om-gta02 http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/om-gta02 Aug 05 05:15:27 not sure what file do I look in? Aug 05 05:15:28 and this one ? Aug 05 05:15:35 /etc/opkg Aug 05 05:15:45 you have 1 .comf file per repositorie Aug 05 05:16:42 all-feed.conf armv4t-feed.conf om-gta02-feed.conf Aug 05 05:16:42 arch.conf neo1973-feed.conf Aug 05 05:16:47 those are the ones I have Aug 05 05:16:52 hum when i do a opkg list |grep wifi, it doesnt give wich one it comes from Aug 05 05:16:56 yep Aug 05 05:17:03 so brian|lfs , you can add some more Aug 05 05:17:25 like the 2 i jsut gave you Aug 05 05:17:35 there is a wiki page with them Aug 05 05:17:35 does it matter what the conf files are called Aug 05 05:17:46 or google repositorie openmoko Aug 05 05:17:51 name doesn;t make Aug 05 05:17:55 matter Aug 05 05:18:11 jsut inside the file copie what I jsut gave you Aug 05 05:18:31 anyone know where a decent jvm is? Aug 05 05:19:38 brian|lfs, i jsut sent you the full list in private Aug 05 05:20:45 rooly, maybe http://smancke.blogs.evolvis.org/2008/08/01/phoneme-for-maemo-and-openmoko/ Aug 05 05:21:04 rooly: that is an oxymoron isn't it ? Aug 05 05:21:11 lol Aug 05 05:21:23 i'm trying to replace the om2007.2 media player Aug 05 05:21:32 and the only thing that has been promising thus far was a java one Aug 05 05:21:44 rooly: do you zaurus? Aug 05 05:22:09 is that some kind of sex position? Aug 05 05:22:20 rooly: linux PDA Aug 05 05:22:33 there's a really good media player for it...uses mplayer for backend Aug 05 05:22:44 not java Aug 05 05:22:50 anybody knows how to install the same keyboard as FSo, into the 2007.2 version ? Aug 05 05:22:57 i'll look into it Aug 05 05:23:08 works with qtopia and is in OE iirc Aug 05 05:23:27 * kd8ikt loves fso keyboard Aug 05 05:23:40 oohhh...nice!! Aug 05 05:23:46 i'm still working with om2007.2 Aug 05 05:23:46 kd8ikt, me too :) but it s not on the 2007.2 Aug 05 05:23:49 also qtopia's hand writting one Aug 05 05:23:55 and i refuse to use the qtopia Aug 05 05:23:59 i would like the FSO one into the 2007.2 :P Aug 05 05:24:19 * kd8ikt is making a latest qtopia tarball for dualboot usage Aug 05 05:24:43 because hte 2 choice of keyboard in 2007.2, one is too small, and the original one is no complete enough to surf the net Aug 05 05:25:01 rooly: doesn't require qtopia..but will work with both i think Aug 05 05:26:41 omfg someone made a bubble level http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/5c3da5121efbc7c904f6e31432bc2d76.png Aug 05 05:26:47 ieatlint: was that you? Aug 05 05:27:23 oh that's awesome Aug 05 05:29:44 ok that's cool Aug 05 05:30:12 lol nice Aug 05 05:30:54 would be nice to find is repositorie Aug 05 05:31:02 anyone have any idea how to add icons in QT? I opkged a bunch of stuff but no icons for anyhting Aug 05 05:35:06 no ideas eh? Aug 05 05:39:11 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rcca8191e8d32 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up to 188 of illume to get delayed reload of flaunch buttons. Aug 05 05:39:13 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r48ce75d53099 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up ot 178 of illume- fix window list issues. Aug 05 05:39:14 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rea6d7ee37137 10/ (29 files in 7 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev Aug 05 05:39:56 ok Aug 05 05:39:59 I am going to bed... Aug 05 05:40:05 Good night / day all Aug 05 05:43:55 ok, gonna work some more on a media player tomorrow Aug 05 05:43:59 nn Aug 05 05:44:43 stick to mplayer Aug 05 05:45:02 and a frontend Aug 05 05:48:38 rooly: http://katastrophos.net/andre/blog/software/quasar-media-player/ Aug 05 05:49:07 hmm...it says qtopia...but i'm sure it's in OE Aug 05 05:49:20 almost sure Aug 05 05:50:12 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r48114b8e62b2 10/README.opreferencesd: Removed README.opreferencesd Aug 05 05:55:51 anyone know of an EASY wifi that works ? Aug 05 05:56:14 lint for sure, and possibly wifi-radar Aug 05 05:56:23 but neither of them are in the repo Aug 05 05:57:14 rooly: do I need one or both and do I just "opkg install lint" ? Aug 05 05:58:58 GirlRiver: search for lint, then move it to your phone then opkg install lint.opkg Aug 05 05:59:08 rooly: did you see quasar? Aug 05 05:59:12 yeah Aug 05 05:59:15 i saw it Aug 05 05:59:31 get it right its lint-wifi Aug 05 05:59:35 i'm gonna do some more searching tomorrow Aug 05 05:59:38 :P Aug 05 05:59:43 kd8ikt, give GirlRiver your link Aug 05 05:59:49 ugh Aug 05 06:00:05 opkg install http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/lint-wifi_1_armv4t.ipk Aug 05 06:00:30 * kd8ikt waits for something to go wrong Aug 05 06:00:47 kd8ikt, thank you .. and I will call it by its rightful name ... Aug 05 06:01:10 its still very much a beta Aug 05 06:01:29 and needs /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf to exist Aug 05 06:01:38 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Lint-wifi Aug 05 06:02:03 kd8ikt: even if I only use WEP ? Aug 05 06:02:17 yes Aug 05 06:03:00 http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=GTA02_WLAN <-- has wpa.conf examples Aug 05 06:03:06 do I still need to install python? Aug 05 06:03:37 kd8ikt, thanks .. is it an auto dependancy or do I need to install manually ? Aug 05 06:03:58 GirlRiver: having fun yet? Aug 05 06:04:10 its a config you have to create Aug 05 06:04:23 undrwater, hmmm .. I think so .. but maybe not ! Aug 05 06:06:27 kd8ikt, I think maybe It is better for me to wait for lint-wifi to be less "beta" and just use wifi-radar until then Aug 05 06:08:50 openmoko: 03raster * r4581 10/developers/raster/ompower/power.c: fix brightness/bl power setting. Aug 05 06:10:03 well if you dont like beta testing and developing software and other general hacking maybe you should of bought a nokia Aug 05 06:11:14 oh someones a little bitchy tonight mmeeeooowww! Aug 05 06:11:17 :) Aug 05 06:12:09 grr...u-boot menus not taking :P Aug 05 06:12:51 Cool Euro Jobs site => new-employment eu Aug 05 06:12:59 I'm willing to try it kd8ikt! but I'm getting an error, even after adding python one sec Aug 05 06:13:05 re booting Aug 05 06:15:29 kd8ikt, I am willing to try it BUT really don't feel I have the skills yet to be of any use in the Beta Testing ... that is why I asked if there was an EASY one that works Aug 05 06:16:18 nothing easy about OM apparently Aug 05 06:17:14 not yet Aug 05 06:17:36 anyone know why QT keeps rewriting my resolv.conf on reboot? Aug 05 06:18:16 railer: put an echo > /etc/resolv.conf in your /etc/network/interfaces Aug 05 06:18:25 * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for lint-wifi: Aug 05 06:18:25 * python-pygtk * Aug 05 06:18:38 k Aug 05 06:18:52 ;) it works Aug 05 06:19:04 i just added that like an hour ago Aug 05 06:19:05 you wanted that error? Aug 05 06:19:17 well yeah it needs python-pygtk Aug 05 06:19:30 try -nodeps Aug 05 06:19:37 it will force it to install Aug 05 06:19:54 we're very proud, ok one sec Aug 05 06:19:56 but if you doont have pythong-gtk it wont run correctly Aug 05 06:20:16 what's the package Aug 05 06:20:17 ? Aug 05 06:21:14 opkg install http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/python-pygtk_2.10.4-ml8_armv4t.ipk -nodeps Aug 05 06:21:25 ---^ scaredycat's repo Aug 05 06:22:05 * kd8ikt is setting up a triple boot env Aug 05 06:22:27 fso qtopia om2007.2 Aug 05 06:22:28 installed and configured lint Aug 05 06:22:48 like the icon launcher? Aug 05 06:22:52 i did that Aug 05 06:23:00 muwhaha Aug 05 06:23:18 QT no icon sorry :( Aug 05 06:23:31 asu? or qtopia Aug 05 06:23:46 qtopia Aug 05 06:29:57 python is whining Aug 05 06:30:56 well your using qtopia... it probably doesnt have the base python or mods Aug 05 06:33:15 root@om-gta02:~# python /usr/bin/lint-wifi.py Aug 05 06:33:15 warning: Not importing directory '/usr/lib/python2.5/encodings': missing __init__.py Aug 05 06:33:15 Traceback (most recent call last): Aug 05 06:33:15 File "/usr/bin/lint-wifi.py", line 9, in Aug 05 06:33:15 import gtk, os Aug 05 06:33:16 ImportError: No module named gtk Aug 05 06:34:32 suggestions? Aug 05 06:34:37 openmoko: 03julian_chu * r4582 10/trunk/src/target/thumbnails/source/ (18 files): Rename from maps_diversity-maps* to maps_om-maps* for thumbnails Aug 05 06:35:10 yeah that means your pythong install is fucked Aug 05 06:35:30 try inneo1973 power-off Aug 05 06:35:35 haha Aug 05 06:35:38 whoops Aug 05 06:35:48 paste Aug 05 06:36:19 sofar i think my triple boot is working, booting 2007.2 via mmc partition 3 Aug 05 06:37:29 openmoko: 03raster * r4583 10/developers/raster/ompower/power.c: put in 500ms pauses around suspend/reusme Aug 05 06:37:39 yay now for the real bitch(qtopia) they dont exactly give out tarballs, i had to do it myself Aug 05 06:42:13 * torindel yawns Aug 05 06:42:16 moin all Aug 05 06:42:39 * cjb should try sleeping soon. Aug 05 06:48:35 kd8ikt: what are you using to get to your u-boot menu? Aug 05 06:48:37 omg? Aug 05 06:49:00 the latest update just shiped me broken package repo configs Aug 05 06:49:42 openmoko: 03raster * r4584 10/developers/raster/ompower/power.c: remvoe sleeps Aug 05 06:50:06 (and i didnt check them while being asked for replacing) Aug 05 06:51:26 ? howso u mean editing uboot menu entries? Aug 05 06:51:37 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Uboot#Bootloader_prompt Aug 05 06:51:55 'morning Aug 05 06:53:06 hi there just a question what is the best way of porting an existing app like ekiga to my freerunner ? Aug 05 06:53:40 kd8ikt: either flash u-boot_env partition or connect with terminal emulator via usb to uboot Aug 05 06:54:12 usb console Aug 05 06:54:21 and i added an option to boot partition 3 Aug 05 06:54:31 after of course i made a 3rd partition Aug 05 06:54:38 and popuilated it Aug 05 06:55:07 do i a) use the toolchain or use another method ? Aug 05 06:55:16 undrwater: ^^ Aug 05 06:55:23 although my qtopia image on 2nd partition isnt booting :P VFS unable to mount rootfs Aug 05 06:55:45 kd8ikt: useing ext2? Aug 05 06:55:52 no 3 Aug 05 06:55:55 kd8ikt: yeah...i'm getting same problem Aug 05 06:56:04 doesn't matter...ext2 or ext3 Aug 05 06:56:10 yup Aug 05 06:56:11 wtf Aug 05 06:56:21 undrwater: it does matter what qtopia kernel supports ;] Aug 05 06:56:44 i guess it just doesnt like to be booted from sd Aug 05 06:56:54 (/me booted qtopia on ext2 with their kernel it wasnt latest image thoo) Aug 05 06:56:57 torindel: i've used later OM kernels... Aug 05 06:57:26 also, i can't seem to get my u-boot entries to remain after poweroff Aug 05 06:57:36 railer: wich repo has lint-wifi? Aug 05 06:57:39 ah maybe i should use the qtopia kernel then? Aug 05 06:57:45 undrwater: you saved to flash? Aug 05 06:57:49 ronny: none Aug 05 06:57:59 i do saveenv, printenv and it shows my entry...boot into NAND, and the entry is not there Aug 05 06:57:59 oh Aug 05 06:58:06 opkg install http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/lint-wifi_1_armv4t.ipk Aug 05 06:58:18 and if you used kernel that supports it then you didnt specify correct root Aug 05 06:58:49 nah i did everthing right Aug 05 06:58:54 hmm, anyone also got a navit build? Aug 05 06:58:56 undrwater: you boot into nand and do saveenv in nand right? Aug 05 06:59:00 torindel: i'd be happy just seeing my entry in the uboot list first...then i'll worry about booting kernels Aug 05 06:59:08 kd8ikt: lint wifi now has an ipk ? Aug 05 06:59:12 torindel: no...it was NOR Aug 05 06:59:12 kd8ikt: any good ? Aug 05 06:59:23 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card <-- checkout the bottom bootmenu stuff Aug 05 06:59:27 undrwater: boot into nand and saveenv in nand Aug 05 06:59:39 i like it dbmoodb Aug 05 06:59:43 i don't get the /dev/ttyACM0 with nand Aug 05 07:00:16 undrwater: tried connecting usb cable after youre in uboot menu? Aug 05 07:00:31 torindel: no...i'll try that now Aug 05 07:00:39 heh Aug 05 07:00:40 so what is the best way of porting an app -- using the toolchain -- and if so i'm having trouble adding libraries to it ... Aug 05 07:02:18 ugh porting is more or less modifying the source last i checked Aug 05 07:02:31 torindel: heh...worked...thanks Aug 05 07:02:34 omg, the lint-wifi code is scary Aug 05 07:02:45 not really its super simple Aug 05 07:03:11 doesnt get simpler then that excluding hello world Aug 05 07:03:51 is it python? Aug 05 07:04:11 morning Aug 05 07:04:24 python + os + gtk modules Aug 05 07:04:25 morning methril Aug 05 07:04:41 so it can exec shell commands and draw a window Aug 05 07:04:57 dbmoodb: start with seting up mokomake file and building image, you'll get working toolchain and ability to easy build some of libs that have bb's Aug 05 07:05:12 my father told me years ago to learn python Aug 05 07:05:13 kd8ikt: well peopen("cat file").read() instead of open("file").read() is kinda scary Aug 05 07:05:18 and the lint_wpa is a ...adapter type program to help it interface with wpa_supplicant via the cmdline Aug 05 07:05:40 change it Aug 05 07:05:44 its like a fricken wiki Aug 05 07:05:48 svn rox Aug 05 07:06:02 nah Aug 05 07:06:18 i will avoid working with svn when i can avoid it Aug 05 07:06:26 git? Aug 05 07:06:57 good morning Aug 05 07:07:25 kd8ikt: i prefer hg, git is so full of self.shoot in foot Aug 05 07:07:28 kd8ikt: watch this (or at least the first 10 minutes) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8 ;) Aug 05 07:07:39 openmoko: 03raster * r4585 10/developers/raster/ompower/ (main.c power.c): fix brightness swizzle Aug 05 07:07:51 doesnt he love git? Aug 05 07:08:04 he made git Aug 05 07:08:18 so one might assume he likes it very much ;) Aug 05 07:08:20 is CIA-46 reporting bug squashes? Aug 05 07:09:22 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/04/technology/04open.html?ex=1233460800&en=3166074f2f6ca15e&ei=5087&WT.mc_id=TE-D-I-NYT-MOD-MOD-M055-ROS-0808-HDR&WT.mc_ev=click&mkt=TE-D-I-NYT-MOD-MOD-M055-ROS-0808-HDR Aug 05 07:10:23 mm Aug 05 07:10:48 torindel: ok -- but isn't hte mokomake a really big package ? Aug 05 07:11:08 all i want is ekiga or some small sip client with a gui (preferably ) Aug 05 07:13:04 so does one need monomake to fix library problems and the libraries -- are they for my distro or the phones ? Aug 05 07:13:14 dbmoodb: mokomakefile is little script helping you setup building whole current jffs2 image (if you want to build image too it'll require about 4-5gb to build it), but you'll get working toolchain and easy way to build missing packages and libs Aug 05 07:13:49 dbmoodb: no, but maybe you can directly build your broken lib with mokomakefile Aug 05 07:13:57 as it have some patches/fixes Aug 05 07:14:23 ah --- well no the libraries -- so they are for my distro yah ? Aug 05 07:14:28 Quai: interesting article Aug 05 07:14:29 lol that youtube video is funny Aug 05 07:14:40 like i don't need to opkg-conf them ... they are just for the distro that the comp with the toolchain is running on no ? Aug 05 07:15:39 dbmoodb: you specify in mokomake file (on your localpc) what moko distro you want to build, and you'll build packages for that distro too Aug 05 07:15:52 sure sure but the normal toolchain Aug 05 07:15:53 so you can just opkg them on the moko Aug 05 07:16:32 it'll build arm target toolchain on your pc Aug 05 07:16:57 torindel: i'm just interested in porting one sip client ... tho -- not building that much or editing the actual thing so -- the normal toolchain that i download from openmoko and use to build stuff what does that use -- i assume the libs from my pc ? Aug 05 07:19:03 holy freedom theres a lot of updates Aug 05 07:19:42 dbmoodb: you cant use libs from your pc, you have build arm target ones, better just use mokomake file, it'll build all you have on your moko image and more and make nice ipk from them Aug 05 07:22:10 that suddenly makes sense, i wantg to mess with git now Aug 05 07:23:54 torindel: well... sure but if you have that set up can't you be ultra nice and make me ekiga ? Aug 05 07:23:59 or something with less deps ? Aug 05 07:29:30 dbmoodb_: theres yeaphone, tapioca + gui and linphone Aug 05 07:30:12 and i can build ipk for fso if you want Aug 05 07:33:56 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r5ba3ffe5c5f8 10/packages/gtk-webcore/midori_0.0.17.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags. Aug 05 07:36:28 * kgoetz decides the opkg config files hes just ben upgraded to look decidedly broken Aug 05 07:36:55 -src/gz daily-all http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all Aug 05 07:36:55 +src/gz remote-all http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all Aug 05 07:37:39 heh Aug 05 07:37:46 torindel: that would be great :) Aug 05 07:37:47 thats a good thing Aug 05 07:37:57 torindel: where is yeaphone ? Aug 05 07:38:07 --- torindel would thank you a hell of a lot :) Aug 05 07:39:31 please make an ipkg of which ever is easiest and has sip support / what ever you want dude Aug 05 07:46:38 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rb0e9c40ffb09 10/packages/openmoko2/openmoko-browser2_svn.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags. Aug 05 07:47:20 hey ugh usb networking isnt working for qtopia am i doing something wrong Aug 05 07:47:45 and it doesnt come with a terminal :( Aug 05 07:50:01 torindel: what about for the official builds ? or is that out of the question Aug 05 07:51:37 if i do `wget http://www.rwhitby.net/files/openmoko/Makefile;make update-makefile;make setup;make update` i get the error "fatal: Needed a single revision" from git. isn't this supposed to work? Aug 05 07:51:46 dbmoodb_: check on some official build dir, i listed you all sip clients than can be builded Aug 05 07:52:15 (i.e. all that have bb files and patches for moko) Aug 05 07:52:25 torindel: wait those can be built ? Aug 05 07:53:35 dbmoodb_: i mean those have patches in openembbded (package framework that moko uses) and can be build with it Aug 05 07:53:47 oh ? Aug 05 07:53:53 check official build dir if there are ipk for it or not Aug 05 07:54:21 torindel: where is the official build dir ? Aug 05 07:54:36 depends on your current distro Aug 05 07:54:59 well its the 2007.2 or whatever stock release -- Aug 05 07:55:31 nice Aug 05 07:56:19 dbmoodb_: if you have opkg correctly setup just try opkg name Aug 05 07:56:56 (the packages where yeaphone, tapioca, linphone) Aug 05 07:57:12 hi i want to know if libdb is available for openmoko Aug 05 07:57:32 torindel: well i did try those names and didn't find anything Aug 05 08:00:07 you can check angstrom daily feed too Aug 05 08:00:20 torindel: im getting an error tho ... error 2 Aug 05 08:01:45 torindel: i think i check that already Aug 05 08:06:25 torindel: so if i get one those with patches from oe -- from the openmoko download sources dir --- do i just om-config them ? Aug 05 08:06:50 or can i use mokomake on them ? Aug 05 08:13:17 torindel: if you have an ipkg for fso that would be great -- provides fso can do wifi i guess.. Aug 05 08:23:39 wtf?!? Aug 05 08:23:40 -src/gz daily-all http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all Aug 05 08:23:40 +src/gz remote-all http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all Aug 05 08:24:13 seems to be from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/distro-feed-configs_1.0-r0_om-gta02.ipk Aug 05 08:24:18 is that correct? Aug 05 08:24:45 Wonka: i hope so ... Aug 05 08:25:13 how comes? Aug 05 08:25:28 no idea -- hope some on e else can answer that Aug 05 08:25:53 i think i said replace the file and it didn't Aug 05 08:26:26 i said don't replace. Aug 05 08:26:35 wait.... i thought i said relpace tho Aug 05 08:26:37 replace* Aug 05 08:26:55 default is not to Aug 05 08:27:00 Wonka: it isnt Aug 05 08:27:09 oh so i should revert ? Aug 05 08:27:17 and if it was correct, i still could replace it later Aug 05 08:27:35 torindel: can a lart be applied to the responsible person then? ;) Aug 05 08:28:05 damn....so Wonka can you tell me what files it altered ? Aug 05 08:29:00 does is arm4feed meant to look like ? Aug 05 08:29:30 lart? Aug 05 08:30:53 torindel: ? Aug 05 08:31:10 any way to revert ? Aug 05 08:32:11 dbmoodb_: modify that file by hand? Aug 05 08:32:24 it wont update it again that way Aug 05 08:32:33 sure thing bob Aug 05 08:32:39 -- but torindel what did it originally look like ? Aug 05 08:33:13 that's what i don't know Aug 05 08:33:26 morning all Aug 05 08:33:36 hello! I read that the Freerunner can boot from SD with ext2, but you must have uBoot at least from 20080723-- where do I find these builds? I only find older builds. My uBoot reports 1.3.2-moko12 May 9 2008 Aug 05 08:34:21 Infoport: check daily Aug 05 08:34:53 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/ Aug 05 08:34:56 torindel do you just have to install and hope it is stable, or is there a recommended (newer) version Aug 05 08:35:32 just get newest one and hope it wont have too much bugs ;] Aug 05 08:36:02 you can always update later to next current version Aug 05 08:37:31 any experience for or against any of the daily builds from this month? Aug 05 08:37:35 ^--bookmark that url Aug 05 08:39:22 kd8ikt I had looked there, but was trying to find some that were post 7-23 but somehow "stable". There doesn't seem to be a "recommended" uBoot Aug 05 08:39:56 Infoport: minor usb problems when you boot with usb cable connected, but get newest one anyway Aug 05 08:41:39 torindel: what sort of usb problems? problems with opkg updates, getting IPs, or what? Aug 05 08:42:29 dbmoodb_: moment... Aug 05 08:42:33 you want recommended? Aug 05 08:42:36 Infoport: more like nonworking usb when booted with usb cable connected, its ok when you connect usb after booting Aug 05 08:42:41 ok :) Aug 05 08:42:43 * kd8ikt recommends latest! or build your own Aug 05 08:43:29 one more version question: my uBoot screen says 1.3.2-moko12 (May 9 2008), but the newer August versions seems to say 1.3.1 in the filename Aug 05 08:43:38 dbmoodb_: http://pastebin.com/m65b7adc2 Aug 05 08:44:08 Infoport: yep, the 1.3.1 is newer one Aug 05 08:44:29 did the version number reverse? Aug 05 08:44:31 I got a Freerunner yesterday, worked for a while - but today it won't power on. Could I have gotten a faulty battery? Aug 05 08:45:40 dbmoodb_: since i rejected the modifications, i could even tell you the unmodified contents Aug 05 08:45:42 Snaarf: plug charger and try booting Aug 05 08:45:57 ah ... can you post what the fic file has in it ? Aug 05 08:46:20 torindel: It's sitting on the charger next to me .. blank screen. The red light flashes when I push the power button, but nothing appears on the screen Aug 05 08:46:28 Wonka: just the unmodified contents ...-- like what was fic-blah feed meant to be ? Aug 05 08:46:29 Snaarf if you ran the battery all the way down, I believe it wont boot until it has enough power. Additionally, it charges faster when it recognizes the right charger, so it is best if you don't run it all the way down (so it can recognize charger sooner) Aug 05 08:46:58 Snaarf: does it flash one time or all the time? Aug 05 08:47:17 torindel: Just the once .. but it's not even doing that now Aug 05 08:47:24 dbmoodb_: of all files it tried to modify? Aug 05 08:47:28 Snaarf: hold power button longer Aug 05 08:47:40 yep Aug 05 08:47:42 that would be nice Aug 05 08:47:48 just to be sure Aug 05 08:48:03 holding Aug 05 08:48:45 does it boot second after aux flashes? Aug 05 08:48:56 I'm getting nothing now Aug 05 08:49:13 dbmoodb_: http://pastebin.com/m39eb5e9a at the end Aug 05 08:50:09 Snaarf: try disconnecting power and removing battery Aug 05 08:50:20 torindel: will do Aug 05 08:51:30 I tested the battery, it's at 2.73V Aug 05 08:52:53 torindel: charger plugged in again, aux light flashed about three times Aug 05 08:53:06 my bootmenu has gotten messy Aug 05 08:55:59 Snaarf: press and hold aux, and then press and hold power button Aug 05 08:56:12 kd8ikt: borked it? ;] Aug 05 08:56:38 kd8ikt: you can always reflash backed up u-boot_env partition Aug 05 08:56:52 torindel: the aux light is flashing continuously now Aug 05 08:57:13 ok guess I will try the daily uBoot...it didn't seem to take long anyway. I guess there isn't a way to ever update the protected version in NOR memory? Aug 05 08:57:16 Snaarf: when you have a recent u-boot that means it is charging Aug 05 08:57:41 Infoport: only when you have a debug board Aug 05 08:57:46 Good sigh then .. Aug 05 08:57:51 Infoport: with debug board Aug 05 08:58:07 Should I leave it charging for a bit before I turn it on? Aug 05 08:58:11 no its not b0rken its just messy i need to fix the menu var to my own pref Aug 05 08:59:44 Zorkma, torindel: thanks! I have the debug board, so once I have tried enough versions I'll update NOR to a newer stable one Aug 05 08:59:52 i'm just too lazy to do it now Aug 05 08:59:58 (not anytime soon) Aug 05 09:00:13 hmm... aux has stopped flashing Aug 05 09:00:30 got triple boot running though ;) fso qtopia 2007.2 Aug 05 09:00:42 thank you Aug 05 09:01:13 split the memcard into 3 parts kernel/rootfs1/rootfs2 Aug 05 09:01:24 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rd16a0abb7761 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: update ompower - cleaner suspend/resume Aug 05 09:01:25 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * ra576f01d4f65 10/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev Aug 05 09:01:28 kd8ikt: that is why I want any easier boot to SD-- to try many differnt images without borking the main one Aug 05 09:02:30 kd8ikt: so you have 2 different systems running from the card, and the main one in the phone's mem? Aug 05 09:02:46 what are you waiting for flash the latest uboot then checkout http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card Aug 05 09:03:12 well i wouldnt consider it the "main" but its what defaults when i dont use the bootmenu Aug 05 09:04:10 kd8ikt: I'm on that page, and I've already flashed uBoot while one here :-D But I was thinking of putting systems on their own SD card, though your setup sounds easier Aug 05 09:04:29 still working on it though i want to pretty up the bootmenu, copy the same host ssh key to all builds etyc etc Aug 05 09:05:04 just make two fs's with fdisk instead of one big one Aug 05 09:05:28 i want a bigger card so i can go an extra mile Aug 05 09:05:48 kd8ikt: ok! just trying to lose the VFAT-requirement with the newer uBoot Aug 05 09:06:01 oh the kernel partition? Aug 05 09:06:12 mines vfat still Aug 05 09:06:22 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rd03e76f59312 10/packages/openmoko2/openmoko-feed-configs.bb: [openmoko] Change default feed repository, again. Aug 05 09:06:37 kd8ikt: yeah the page now says that you don't need it if you have uBoot >= 07-23 Aug 05 09:06:59 i dont really care what fs it is as long as it works Aug 05 09:07:54 256MB is more then enough room for a rootfs Aug 05 09:08:49 oh wait thats exactly howmuch there is in the internal rootfs Aug 05 09:11:22 these system that's on the factory shipped freerunner ... is it based on a particular distro? Aug 05 09:15:35 Snaarf: It's OpenEmbedded/Ånström :) Aug 05 09:19:25 is it easier to build programs on the phone, or a desktop machine? I've not had much luck with cross-compiling in the past Aug 05 09:25:01 desktop Aug 05 09:31:28 moot anyway .. still can't get the phone switched on :-) Aug 05 09:32:52 later! Aug 05 09:34:14 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r92799c4e4041 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [openmoko] Rename from exposure to om-settings Aug 05 09:40:29 my gtk.TreeView doesn't show the text of tree entries, but they're there (and are clickable) - may this be a bug in the om-gtk-theme? Aug 05 09:59:55 openmoko: 03tick * r4586 10/developers/tick/Test_env_script_GTA02A5/setneo: [tick] put the setting routing table script on Aug 05 10:01:05 weird, agpsui has 7 satelites and a fix, but tangogps tells me no fix Aug 05 10:02:12 anyone ever had that? Aug 05 10:04:38 ronny: With what imag= Aug 05 10:04:45 e? Aug 05 10:04:57 maybe gpsd isn't running Aug 05 10:05:18 mornin Aug 05 10:05:33 mornin Aug 05 10:06:39 i'm just having a hoot of a time with qtopia on the sdcard Aug 05 10:07:30 i could not get it to work either Aug 05 10:07:53 alphaone: its the 2008.8 image, latest upgrades, i get # /etc/init.d/gpsd start Aug 05 10:07:56 Starting gpsd: No /dev/ttyS3 GPS device, aborting gpsd startup. Check /etc/default/gpsd Aug 05 10:08:01 weird?! Aug 05 10:08:05 ah but i wont give up dns53 Aug 05 10:08:13 ttyS3? Aug 05 10:08:24 that should at least be ttySAC Aug 05 10:08:49 ttyS3 would be a 8250 based UART which we dont have Aug 05 10:08:52 maybe something went wrong Aug 05 10:08:57 how did you create it? i used dd to write the partition, i'll try using an ext2 partition and copying the files next Aug 05 10:09:54 i mounted it and now i'm taring it up for transfer Aug 05 10:10:22 you can mount -o loop file /mnt/ Aug 05 10:10:28 ronny: for FR it's /dev/ttySAC1 Aug 05 10:10:38 sorta it took a few kmods and -t jffs Aug 05 10:11:09 if i get a workable tgz want me to post it? Aug 05 10:11:37 i'll know for sure in about 3min Aug 05 10:11:38 the instructions would be useful Aug 05 10:12:28 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image#Mounting_the_JFFS2_image_on_a_loop_back_device_.28Block_Memory_MTD_Emulation.29 Aug 05 10:13:03 alphaone: im rebooting, i think my env is messed Aug 05 10:13:24 k Aug 05 10:15:46 hello all, just wanted to ask is it possible to make normal phonecalls with the G2 at this moment? would like to support the cause but would also like to be able to use the basic funtion of the phone, that is making / recieving calls Aug 05 10:17:05 cvdstap: I made a brief call on mine yesterday, sounded good but I had to get a new SIM card -- my original one didn't work. Wouldn't get past "Registering..." Aug 05 10:17:48 hello openmoko is ready for use? there is hardware bugs? Aug 05 10:18:14 Snaarf, thank you had any incoming calls yet ? Aug 05 10:18:26 it works fine as a phone, there are some 3g sims that can have problems though Aug 05 10:18:41 dns53, for some value of 'works fine' i guess Aug 05 10:18:54 cvdstap: not yet .. soon as I get it working again I'll try (battery is flat, won't charge) Aug 05 10:19:05 Snaarf, hmm ok Aug 05 10:19:11 dns53: and the problem with the sims is hardware problem? Aug 05 10:19:23 margiolas, of coure there are hardware bugs. all hardware has them Aug 05 10:20:01 * kd8ikt needs to get whatever kernel mwester uses Aug 05 10:20:05 Kamping_Kaiser, just as long as sofware can handle it Aug 05 10:20:08 i have no idea, i just read the mailing list Aug 05 10:20:46 alphaone: you do any kernel hackery? Aug 05 10:21:24 but things are looking up, but i think i postpone the purchase until the first software update then Aug 05 10:23:23 dns53: i got it to work Aug 05 10:24:15 cool Aug 05 10:25:47 Kamping_kaiser: I know that, but i am software developer and i have no idea about hardware development i just want to know if there is any mportant hardware bug Aug 05 10:25:54 whew that was a pain Aug 05 10:26:19 * kd8ikt likes qtopias lock/key Aug 05 10:26:21 cjb: hey ;) any luck with Xglamo so far? Aug 05 10:27:12 kd8ikt: i quite like zedlock's concept as well :) Aug 05 10:27:23 The lock/key thing is maybe a little geeky ;) Aug 05 10:27:56 i respect its simplicity Aug 05 10:28:04 *nods* Absolutely :) Aug 05 10:28:12 It's relatively self-explanatory :) Aug 05 10:28:29 probably why it has fluid movement only up/down Aug 05 10:29:02 And the UI itself decidedly more so than that horror they put on the HTC Diamond... tried it the other day, someone at the UNF GDC had bought it, and it's sort of... really not very good ;) Aug 05 10:29:43 HTC does look neat Aug 05 10:29:52 Looks neat, works uselessly Aug 05 10:29:56 heh Aug 05 10:30:33 thats the worse thing about the current gen HTC phones, awesome hardware, totally shit software Aug 05 10:30:51 they dont even have drivers for their gfx chips Aug 05 10:31:29 kd8ikt how did you create the image? did you mount the file system and copy the files to an ext2 partition? Aug 05 10:31:49 XorA: It shows... It works smoothly, beautifully, and totally non-understandibly :P Aug 05 10:31:50 i mounted it first then tar'd it up and scp /untar Aug 05 10:32:24 ok hold a sec lemmie pastebin what i used Aug 05 10:32:29 so what file system is on the card? Aug 05 10:32:50 leinir: is it still the touch cube? Aug 05 10:32:59 XorA: they don't have drivers for thei gfx, but we are not on very good terms with it either ;) Aug 05 10:33:31 Zorkman: at least we can bitblt Aug 05 10:33:46 Zorkman: they have powervr 3d and no driver Aug 05 10:34:00 don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, otherwise i would have bought a htc :) Aug 05 10:34:18 * XorA has a HTC and loves it, just annoying that it can never reach its full potential Aug 05 10:34:27 http://pastebin.com/d9aef397 Aug 05 10:35:36 i also have a tarball of it http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/Qtopia-4.3.2-gta02-rootfs.tar.gz Aug 05 10:36:18 next i'm gonna work on updating the /opt/Qtopia from a snapshot i compiled Aug 05 10:36:28 XorA: No, it's a fluid touch type UI... It works a bit like the OS X dock with zooming and such, but... it's really useless, let's see if there's a movie of someone using it on youtube or somesuch... Aug 05 10:37:18 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r1e9c8b777fa5 10/packages/gtk-webcore/ (midori-0.0.17/midori.png midori_0.0.17.bb): [midori] Add icon for ASU in midori Aug 05 10:37:19 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7d60bab241cc 10/packages/mozilla/ (minimo/om-minimo.png minimo_cvs.bb): [minimo] Add icon for ASU in minimo Aug 05 10:37:29 * SpeedEvil giggles about someone on #om describing another phone as useless. Aug 05 10:37:34 (for some builds anyway) Aug 05 10:37:58 hola speedy Aug 05 10:38:14 s/giggles/laughs maniacally in a manly fashion/ Aug 05 10:38:21 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoaXA9un7YE Aug 05 10:38:22 There Aug 05 10:38:44 SpeedEvil: Well, this one isn't marketed as the salvation of all UIs, the Diamond is ;) Aug 05 10:39:20 gpe-tetris is supersweet on the openmoko :) Aug 05 10:39:34 if only there was a way t o turn the blocks or move them :d Aug 05 10:39:48 (yeah i know, i should configure a pop-up keyboard in 2007.2 Aug 05 10:40:01 Zorkman: Hehe... i can see some fun with the accellerometers and tetris... ;) Aug 05 10:40:13 It's look really funky, but... i could see it be quite fun ;) Aug 05 10:40:21 Shake it just hard enough, and some blocks fall Aug 05 10:40:28 too hard, and it displays 'TILT' Aug 05 10:40:46 shake towards the left, turn left, shake towards right, turn right, shake down, block falls ;) Aug 05 10:41:00 tiltris Aug 05 10:41:12 SpeedEvil: yeah, lika a pinball machine, but one of those gamlbling things... you can just launch the ball and hit the machine a bit Aug 05 10:41:15 SpeedEvil: No, the falling block stays the same direction, and you turn the playing field. Tipping it will act as arrow-down. Simple, but lots of fun ;) Aug 05 10:41:47 GPS based would be good for excersize. Aug 05 10:42:14 *giggles* How so? :) Aug 05 10:42:34 You run west/east to tilt left/right Aug 05 10:43:04 wii fit is nothing compared to that :) Aug 05 10:43:12 are the accelerometers exact enough to use for navigation in a tunnel? Aug 05 10:43:15 *giggles* That'd be quite funky ;) Aug 05 10:43:19 echarp: no Aug 05 10:43:21 ecr: Aug 05 10:43:41 ecraven: google openmoko technical accelerometers Aug 05 10:45:40 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r21289f9bca43 10/packages/mozilla/minimo_cvs.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags. Aug 05 10:48:34 w00t now i have qtopia dual booting off a card, thanks kd8ikt :) Aug 05 10:48:46 should i write it up in the wiki? Aug 05 10:48:58 dns53: Please do, that is, fix the existing article :) Aug 05 10:49:22 yeah that existing one is flawed Aug 05 10:49:55 i was about to edit a tidbit here and there Aug 05 10:49:58 Quite so, i never got it working :) Aug 05 10:50:42 * kd8ikt is triple booting w00t Aug 05 10:51:08 fso qtopia 2007 Aug 05 10:51:30 grub on the sd card? Aug 05 10:51:47 Das U-boot Aug 05 10:52:39 for some reason when i paste in uboot console it likes to corrupt the prompt Aug 05 10:53:05 it warns you about that in the docs somewhere Aug 05 10:53:06 i want that lightsaber application they made for the macbook on my freerunner! Aug 05 10:53:10 curse you, kd8ikt! Now i've gotta listen to that track! ;) Aug 05 10:53:18 Wonka: ...eh? :) Aug 05 10:53:23 The sound thing? :) Aug 05 10:53:31 leinir: waving your macbook makes lightsaber sounds Aug 05 10:53:38 leinir: and _that_ on the fr.... Aug 05 10:53:38 ... oh you clicked the rickroll page Aug 05 10:53:53 Yes, that would work decidedly better on a handheld device :) Aug 05 10:53:54 lol idiot doesnt it say dont click or somethin Aug 05 10:54:08 kd8ikt: no, the U96 version of the Das Boot theme ;) Aug 05 10:54:22 duuu dun dun dahhh Aug 05 10:55:12 the movie is good too Aug 05 10:55:37 da dadadadadadaaaa dadadadadadaDAAAAA Aug 05 10:55:40 oh yea ever play that linux submarine sim? Aug 05 10:55:44 *PINGGG* Aug 05 10:55:54 i forget the name Aug 05 10:56:03 linux? dont know any there Aug 05 10:56:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATEjQhdfA8U Aug 05 10:56:14 but i did play silent hunter II a lot Aug 05 10:56:18 danger deep Aug 05 10:56:23 or somethin Aug 05 10:56:35 Death of the Shimano Aug 05 10:56:38 Sink the Yamato Aug 05 10:56:41 and stuff Aug 05 10:56:43 i wonder if its made any progress since last time i toyed with it Aug 05 10:56:52 "aye aye sir" in adlib sound... Aug 05 10:56:58 those were the times Aug 05 10:57:14 np: Das Boot by U96 on 20 Years of MTV-German Charts through Ampache using Amarok 2 ;) Aug 05 10:57:28 and isnt that captain the guy in beerfest? kinda had a double meaning when they were like DASBOOT Aug 05 10:58:17 http://dangerdeep.sourceforge.net/ Aug 05 11:07:36 kd8ikt should i modify that artile or edit http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD and link to the create page? Aug 05 11:09:48 i dunno Aug 05 11:11:58 small things like the tar commmand it says to do failed for me i had to do it my own way Aug 05 11:12:09 note: theres wiki page about booting qtopia from sd card Aug 05 11:12:26 you don't need to use tar and scp, you just need a ext2/3 partition on the sd card for the root fs Aug 05 11:12:31 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_FreeRunner Aug 05 11:25:26 how does this look? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_FreeRunner#Installing_Root_Filesystem Aug 05 11:28:06 lately http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ is down a lot Aug 05 11:28:10 dns53: if you edit that little sugestion: scp to /tmp Aug 05 11:28:23 it'll be gazillion times faster Aug 05 11:28:43 ext2 is recommend for sdcards btw Aug 05 11:28:44 than copying from a local mount point to another local mount point? Aug 05 11:29:14 dns53: coping file from sd card to sd card Aug 05 11:29:18 try * Aug 05 11:29:41 it'll be much faster if you first copy to /tmp and then copy from /tmp to sd card Aug 05 11:29:47 i am copying from my computer's memory to the sd card Aug 05 11:30:07 and then you're extracting file thats on sd card to sd card Aug 05 11:30:16 and its slow Aug 05 11:31:00 no i'm mounting an .jffs2 image and copying it to a sd card Aug 05 11:31:01 dns53: like i said just try coping file form sd card to sd card and compare that with first coping to /tmp and then from /tmp to sd card Aug 05 11:31:42 dns53: "cd /media/mmcblk0p2 tar xzf qtopia-4.3.2-gta02-rootfs-07172049.tar.gz Aug 05 11:31:45 " Aug 05 11:31:59 youre reading file from sd card and extracting it to sd card Aug 05 11:32:27 maybe i have written it wrongly Aug 05 11:32:46 better scp to /tmp and untar it from there Aug 05 11:34:41 what i did was extract the tar from qtopia.net, mount the qtopia.jffs2 to a drive, create 2 partitions on the sd card, copy the uImage to the fat, and then copy the loop back mount to the ext2 partition Aug 05 11:34:54 did someone have turned his freerunner into an gps antennae that spreads the gps signal via bluetooth? (bluetooth-gps device) Aug 05 11:35:06 anybody know if it is safe to upgrade 2007.2 image? Aug 05 11:35:30 beni_ there are instructions in the wiki, i have not tried them yet Aug 05 11:35:39 oh yes? where? Aug 05 11:35:46 havent found anything there Aug 05 11:36:57 you know that ext3 is probably not the best thing to use on a sdcard because it might cause premature death of the card Aug 05 11:37:01 oh man i hate messing with uboot console Aug 05 11:37:10 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS > bluetooth gps gateway Aug 05 11:37:27 dns53: thanks Aug 05 11:37:45 bootmenu is confusing Aug 05 11:38:44 i need help with om-conf Aug 05 11:39:37 dbmoodb_: i'm using ext2, i didnt say anything about ext3 Aug 05 11:40:44 i'm confused about using om-conf. do i need to have makefiles in place already in order to use it Aug 05 11:40:57 or does it generate everything by itself? Aug 05 11:41:49 ?? Aug 05 11:41:58 torindel oh now i see what you are getting at, i'm mounting the card on my computer where with scp you have the card mounted on the device Aug 05 11:43:40 dns53: i was just saying that operations from sd card to sd card are slow (esp on moko) so if you're editing that wiki page you can fix that Aug 05 11:45:24 yes, i'm rewriting that bit Aug 05 11:47:19 torindel: for a moment, I thought you were talking about a dual SD :) Aug 05 11:47:40 ACTION looks up how to put windows mobile on his phone because no one is building a voip / cross compiling for general use a voip client whilst there are many on windows mobile. (no offense) i have tried the toolchain but i can't get it to compile something of use -- pjsip work until it didn't see my sound devices (i'm guessing that's a fault with pulse audio and it ...) --- if any one wants to change some time soon please let me know so Aug 05 11:48:30 yeah and i'm sorry for trolling Aug 05 11:49:14 is there are way to grab gps stats from commandline? how can i know from shell if i got a fix? Aug 05 11:49:16 i can remember that someone was going to port asterisk to it Aug 05 11:49:25 dns53: asterisk has been ported Aug 05 11:49:52 i use agpsui http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/openmoko-agpsui.ipkg Aug 05 11:50:07 but there is no aix client yet.... + it shouldn't be too hard to port a simple sip client if you have monomake / the open devel stuff set up which is to big for me to download Aug 05 11:50:31 dns53: dns53 can't you cat /dev/gps something ? Aug 05 11:50:38 SpeedEvil: ;] Aug 05 11:50:40 sorry /proc Aug 05 11:50:42 give it try Aug 05 11:51:06 look for the perl script for agps Aug 05 11:51:25 dns53: asterisk is on oe too Aug 05 11:51:31 so you can make ipk Aug 05 11:51:45 torindel: yeah but we need a client too so... Aug 05 11:51:53 can i fully use perl on the freerunner ? Aug 05 11:51:58 /dev/ttySAC1 - for the GPS Aug 05 11:52:05 spyre: it's not installed Aug 05 11:52:06 dbmoodb_: i said you that there was about 3 ported clients Aug 05 11:52:07 spd: Aug 05 11:52:16 torindel: and i said i can't compile them Aug 05 11:52:16 just setup your mokomakefile and build them Aug 05 11:52:37 mokomake file -- can i do thatwithout having to build all of the openmoko 2007.2 release ? Aug 05 11:53:22 all of yes, but it'll build all libs that are required (regardless if you have them on moko already or not) Aug 05 11:53:41 well isn't that a big download Aug 05 11:54:10 like i would do it but i don't have the bandwidth for the download of *everything* Aug 05 11:54:40 how much bw limit you got? Aug 05 11:54:51 not much Aug 05 11:54:56 i'm in australia Aug 05 11:55:20 what happened to java for the openmoko --- is it still jalimo ? Aug 05 11:55:41 i think so, i need to try it some time Aug 05 11:55:51 i seen couple javavm's in oe, you could try building them Aug 05 11:56:32 again torindel i don't have the bandwidth -- isn't there a better way to do this ? like adding libs to my comp ... via cross compiling -- i thought you could do that ... Aug 05 11:57:18 dbmoodb_: you need corect headers Aug 05 11:57:33 and packages on moko images are headerless Aug 05 11:57:56 dbmoodb_: cant you go to someone who can dl and burn sources for you? Aug 05 11:57:57 i wonder if its made any progress since last time i toyed with itced it is not installed anymore, if it Aug 05 11:58:00 ever was, that is, (and not available in the official feeds i got in my Aug 05 11:58:08 whhopz accidental paste Aug 05 11:58:09 dbmoodb_: it should fit on one or two cd's Aug 05 11:58:14 torindel: well how big ? Aug 05 11:58:39 how powerful is the GPS in the freerunner ? Aug 05 11:59:15 AJuOnLiNE: define "powerful" Aug 05 11:59:23 will it bend? Aug 05 11:59:27 *blend Aug 05 11:59:27 lol :P Aug 05 11:59:37 wrong question :) Aug 05 11:59:37 sorry Aug 05 11:59:43 and do can it be used to attrackt chicks :) Aug 05 11:59:46 * AJuOnLiNE goes to RTFM Aug 05 12:01:10 torindel: so is that 1.blah gb ? Aug 05 12:01:32 dbmoodb_: 1.blah or less Aug 05 12:02:18 and once i get that --- how hard is it to make stuff ?... do i just go make blah within the environment ? Aug 05 12:02:33 bitbake blah Aug 05 12:02:44 and you copy out ipk to moko Aug 05 12:02:49 sounds fun Aug 05 12:02:50 AJuOnLiNE: if you meant accurate, i have not much experiance with gps devices, but it is definetly accurate anough for OSM mapping Aug 05 12:03:12 torindel: wish some one here had it setup for the 2007.2 release and could just do that (make some packages for me then) if it is really that easy Aug 05 12:03:13 Zorkman: thanks.. :) Aug 05 12:03:24 AJuOnLiNE: if you meant TTFS: 40-50sec outdoors in good conditions, 300sec indoors with a window nearby Aug 05 12:03:26 or any release for that batter Aug 05 12:03:29 matter* Aug 05 12:03:44 you just need to setup mokomakefile for correct distro and machine (neo in our case ;]) Aug 05 12:04:27 sure sounds ok... torindel so you need monomakefile to use bitbake because it needs the environment ? Aug 05 12:04:35 dns53: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Software:GPS_proxy <- works Aug 05 12:04:45 dbmoodb_: plus most of sources are shared between all moko distro so you can build all of them without downloading too much extra stuff Aug 05 12:05:22 dbmoodb_: mokomakefile is just easy way to setup bitbake and openembded repository Aug 05 12:05:28 torindel: in that case i don't see why an ipkg of one of the 3 sip clients you said has not been make available as an ipkg Aug 05 12:06:07 dbmoodb_: not everyone build every package thats availble via openembded Aug 05 12:06:13 sure sure Aug 05 12:06:32 but i'm just suprised no one has made one available yet .... i will as soon as i get the environment setup Aug 05 12:06:34 since there are a lot of stuff for other palmtops ;p Aug 05 12:06:43 you can build a lot of nokia stuff Aug 05 12:06:47 for example Aug 05 12:06:49 oh ? Aug 05 12:07:16 there's an idea running nokia's debian on an openmoko Aug 05 12:07:18 rofl Aug 05 12:07:40 well if you compile it for arm4 you can try Aug 05 12:08:04 ;] Aug 05 12:08:33 ok... Aug 05 12:08:54 there is a debian tar on the wiki Aug 05 12:09:21 dns53: yeah i have debootstrapped my own (lenny -- don't like sid so much) and its running on the sdcard Aug 05 12:09:59 cool, i want an ubuntu mobile and embeded port Aug 05 12:10:37 does the debian build support phone functions ? Aug 05 12:10:50 not that i can see Aug 05 12:11:12 shame. I miss debian since moving to ubuntu. Aug 05 12:13:43 is there a way to run mplayer with a gui on the freerunner? i can run it and play audio with it, but no gui Aug 05 12:14:53 Zorkman: knock up a decent embedded gui for it Aug 05 12:16:24 Anyone tried using the preload daemon, to see what improvement it gives? Aug 05 12:17:28 baird: better play with prelink Aug 05 12:18:31 that'll give you some improvements without your moko doing anything on its own Aug 05 12:18:38 roh: still waiting for an answer to my mail :-) Aug 05 12:19:06 well who says it can't use the phone parts ? Aug 05 12:19:13 the kernel works... Aug 05 12:26:36 you mean for debian? Aug 05 12:27:08 yeah i dont see why it wouldnt work just need those gsm userspace stuff Aug 05 12:27:56 ok, since i am NMEA agnostic, how can i know from command line, if i got gps fix? is there any small nice shell application for that? Aug 05 12:28:14 cat /dev/TTSAC1 helps me niot Aug 05 12:32:14 ? Aug 05 12:32:22 beni_: it will say your location ... Aug 05 12:33:24 kd8ikt: custom kernel, custom X drivers, custom X server, custom mouse driver Aug 05 12:33:34 2008.8 is out on 2008.08.08 right ? Aug 05 12:34:15 kd8ikt: ah guys -- you realise that we can now make a small script to make it (the openmoko) a gps device over bluetooth -- all you need to do is output the results of /dev/TTSAC1 over bluetooth to gpsd or blah running on another computer Aug 05 12:34:33 * kd8ikt has done that Aug 05 12:34:40 using gpspipe Aug 05 12:34:48 opkg is upgrading quite a bit today Aug 05 12:34:49 and kismet on my other machine Aug 05 12:35:37 dns53 what image are you running? Aug 05 12:35:46 asu Aug 05 12:47:10 whats is the name of the bar on the bottom of the screen in fedora? where all your windows are listed? Aug 05 12:47:18 i need it to look up what to do if it crashed :) Aug 05 12:47:59 the gnome panel? Aug 05 12:49:34 don't know, you know, that thing that is called the taskbar in windows (doh, probably is the same in linux :)) Aug 05 12:53:04 its called a panel Zorkman Aug 05 12:53:29 window list ? Aug 05 12:53:46 thanks Aug 05 12:54:03 the problem solved itself... after 10 mintues of not being able to click on it it works again.... Aug 05 12:54:27 thats gnome for you ;] Aug 05 12:54:28 guess it was worth that 10$ i spent on +10 regeneration Aug 05 12:55:53 are there any good games ppl play? Aug 05 12:56:40 dns53: are you quoting from a movie Aug 05 12:57:16 no, what games do ppl play on thair freerunner? Aug 05 12:57:48 15-pieces ;) Aug 05 12:57:52 and mines :) Aug 05 12:57:57 kobedelux a few times Aug 05 12:58:03 how the fudge do i install this qpk Aug 05 12:58:16 monkey island 2, but i didn't have a keyboard to pop-up then Aug 05 12:58:26 dns53: try this if youre bored: http://strony.aster.pl/kominek/bloxorz_miniclip.swf Aug 05 12:58:33 i found cgps from the gps-utils package Aug 05 12:58:43 kd8ikt: To install qpks you need to set up a feed and point the qtopia package manger at it... Aug 05 12:58:46 http://fantasticcontraption.com/ also pretty cool Aug 05 12:59:05 fudge Aug 05 12:59:11 Absolutely yes :) Aug 05 12:59:22 The Incredible Machine was always one very nifty concept :) Aug 05 13:00:37 dns53: you could also try to play a song on epiano :) Aug 05 13:01:42 Armadillo Run, also fun. Aug 05 13:02:18 is there any way to simulate a mous with two buttons? Aug 05 13:02:19 or supertux when you have a keyboard pop-up Aug 05 13:02:34 i want to play settlers 1 and there is that nasty "special" click to raze buildings Aug 05 13:02:34 yeah: i think edistar has done that with debian on the freerunner Aug 05 13:02:39 long press = right click Aug 05 13:03:03 Zorkman: the problem is that you need to press both buttons Aug 05 13:03:06 right, then left Aug 05 13:03:15 while rigth remains pressed Aug 05 13:03:38 time for multitouch ;) Aug 05 13:04:20 can freerunner do internet via cellular? Aug 05 13:04:27 yes Aug 05 13:04:38 that is GPRS. right ? Aug 05 13:05:14 yes. 5kbytes/sec or so, up to 2s delay Aug 05 13:05:18 (and wifi) Aug 05 13:05:23 beni_: gesture recognition :p Aug 05 13:06:29 weird Aug 05 13:06:34 opkg update fails! :( Aug 05 13:07:14 how reliable/stable is phone calling? sounds like it is quite stable, is that right? Aug 05 13:07:41 it cannot verify signatures. Aug 05 13:07:44 did someone already connected a mouse to the fr? Aug 05 13:07:45 any one facing similar issues? Aug 05 13:08:07 My phone finally charged -- but only with the adapter. Can't it be charged from a USB port? Aug 05 13:08:50 Snaarf: yes it can Aug 05 13:09:00 Snaarf: just connect it! Aug 05 13:09:14 I had it connected all morning ... couldn't get any life out of the phone at all Aug 05 13:09:41 Snaarf: was the phone switched on ? Aug 05 13:09:42 Snaarf: first loading need to be done with plug loader i think Aug 05 13:09:49 there was soe text on the wiki saying that Aug 05 13:09:55 hi guys Aug 05 13:10:03 because it may happen that the internel loading circuit cant turn on Aug 05 13:10:09 if the battery is too low Aug 05 13:10:14 AJuOnLiNE: The battery was flat, so off Aug 05 13:10:14 is phone calling on freerunner stable enough to use as a primary phone? Aug 05 13:10:20 a quicki - did the software GPS fix make it into pakcages/repos already? Aug 05 13:10:31 ah that might explain it beni_ Aug 05 13:11:10 Ian00: pretty much yeah, although the battery stays alive for a day at the most Aug 05 13:12:11 a day is very usable, i'm not in the jungle ... i have daily access to an outlet. Aug 05 13:12:13 anyone know the default root password for the TrollTech Free Runner image? Aug 05 13:12:31 right .. now when I try "opkg install mplayer" I get this: "An error ocurred, return value: 2." Aug 05 13:12:49 it is not in the repositories Aug 05 13:13:01 good enough reason Aug 05 13:13:37 the error is a bit vague Aug 05 13:13:56 Snaarf: opkg install openmoko-mplayer Aug 05 13:14:14 rysiek: same Aug 05 13:14:53 openmoko-mediaplayer2 Aug 05 13:15:02 Snaarf: this time I actually checked ;) Aug 05 13:15:32 hi all Aug 05 13:15:36 hehe .. tried to do opkg list but my ssh connection to the phone has stalled.. Aug 05 13:15:50 having trouble with opkg proxy settings Aug 05 13:15:53 Snaarf: configured bluetooth for it today here ;) Aug 05 13:16:10 rysiek: nice - difficult? I'm leaving that for later Aug 05 13:16:16 guys, any hints as to whether or not the software GPS/SD fix got into mainline repos? Aug 05 13:16:24 Snaarf: pretty easy Aug 05 13:16:35 is GNUStep available for OM ? Aug 05 13:16:57 Snaarf: and gives you the possibility to simultaneously charge the battery with the charger (3-4 times faster) and ssh Aug 05 13:17:11 I'm ssh'ed over wifi Aug 05 13:17:16 ah Aug 05 13:17:20 :-) Aug 05 13:17:27 can't ping the phone, but it's alive... Aug 05 13:18:46 ho-hummm... seems like using AGPS to get the First Fix and at the same time trying to play oggs doesn't work. Aug 05 13:18:51 are there many applications that use gnustep? Aug 05 13:19:36 rysiek i am not surprised Aug 05 13:20:00 dns53: elaborate a bit, please? Aug 05 13:20:31 read about the gps hardware bug, there is too much noise between the sd card and the gps Aug 05 13:20:57 dns53: yeah, didn't think it affects reading from SD too Aug 05 13:21:11 there is a hardware fix of soldering a capacitor to limit the current and a software fix to reduce the clock Aug 05 13:21:17 dns53: maybe you know - did the software fix get into the repos already? Aug 05 13:21:21 rysiek: how did you use the AGPS? is there a wiki page on that subject? i can't find it Aug 05 13:21:36 it was released within a few days Aug 05 13:22:07 dns53: I opkg upgraded today and it doesn't seem to work, the fix still takes 20+mins Aug 05 13:22:13 i remember reading on the mailinglists we had to get an accound @ u-blox Aug 05 13:22:20 Zorkman: wiki -> Getting Started -> GPS Aug 05 13:22:49 try the hardware fix Aug 05 13:23:20 dns53: that is not that easy to solde Aug 05 13:23:26 its is...very... small. Aug 05 13:23:39 The component in question is 0.8*0.4mm Aug 05 13:23:40 dns53: I'll be getting another FreeRunner from a second batch sent to Poland, they are supposed to have it already Aug 05 13:23:46 rysiek: that does not yet use AGPS... Aug 05 13:23:52 ffs... that IS small Aug 05 13:24:12 Zorkman: wait, we might be thinking of different 'AGPS' Aug 05 13:24:27 Zorkman: I am talking about AGPS Test GUI Aug 05 13:24:41 Zorkman: the testing app on the FreeRunner Aug 05 13:25:10 could some one port ppracer like app and use the acceleromaters as control ? Aug 05 13:25:13 that would be amazing Aug 05 13:25:35 someone soldered that at home? Aug 05 13:25:38 Zorkman: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Howto_Test_Your_GPS_with_agpsui Aug 05 13:26:32 are there any known problems with kernel 2.6.26 and usb networking? Aug 05 13:26:42 yeah i understand know, i thought you were talking about testing wit AGPS enabled Aug 05 13:27:12 hello all Aug 05 13:27:12 (that is when you download efemerides from the u-blox server and you get a faster fix) Aug 05 13:27:16 llo flinkx Aug 05 13:27:33 aww,, no vim Aug 05 13:28:32 Snaarf: vi Aug 05 13:28:49 ho-humm again... after turning GPS off, I still can't play oggs Aug 05 13:29:47 mp3's seem to play fine, darn it Aug 05 13:30:02 the supplied ogg123 doesn't seem to work with pulseaudio Aug 05 13:30:21 rysiek: maybe you don't have the codecs for it? (just guessing) Aug 05 13:30:35 they play for 2-5 seconds, and then silence Aug 05 13:30:41 as if the CPU was too slow Aug 05 13:31:05 anyone can give me a clue about opkg proxy behavior? Aug 05 13:31:14 when I pause it, wait a few seconds, and play again, they - once more - play for a few s and silence Aug 05 13:31:58 i have a proxy under windows, because i don't have another way to connect the fr at work Aug 05 13:32:07 at the moment Aug 05 13:32:10 rysiek, run the top utility in the background to determine the bottleneck ;) Aug 05 13:32:50 anyone know if the moko will work with a sim with only 3 contacts and not 4 ? Aug 05 13:34:06 looks like it needs 4 :\ Aug 05 13:34:08 quickdev: guess what? openmoko-mediaplayer. Aug 05 13:34:24 rysiek, cpu or disc bound? Aug 05 13:34:36 cpu Aug 05 13:34:56 quickdev: after pausing, pulseaudio tops the list, with 12-13% Aug 05 13:38:44 if I want to have all the latest'n'greatest, do I need to flash the device, or just opkg upgrade Aug 05 13:39:08 usually upgrade should do.. Aug 05 13:39:47 hmm, it seems americans have to buy freerunner through canada. Aug 05 13:40:07 yeah for now Aug 05 13:40:22 I don't get it: when playing mp3's, top shows CPU usage: mediaplayer circa 28-30%; pulseaudio circa 23-25% Aug 05 13:40:23 the OpenMoko store has been out of stock for a while Aug 05 13:40:50 when playing ogg - it's 45-55% and ~40%, resp. Aug 05 13:40:54 FSO, how do I tuen the various radios on/off ? Aug 05 13:41:02 wifi as it's not being used. Aug 05 13:41:19 matholio: hold the power button for 5s Aug 05 13:41:26 matholio: you'll get the menu Aug 05 13:41:43 in FSO ? Aug 05 13:41:48 pport not compiled in. Aug 05 13:41:49 Cannot continue. Aug 05 13:41:49 Error setting value: No D-BUS daemon running Aug 05 13:41:58 matholio: sorry, what's FSO? Aug 05 13:42:00 ah.. i can't change the desktop ? Aug 05 13:42:09 dbmoodb_: gimme a sec Aug 05 13:42:16 sure thing Aug 05 13:42:58 is there a decent imap client ported yet? Aug 05 13:43:32 rysiek: FSO = another build. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework Aug 05 13:44:44 aah rysiek it works but only on the phone Aug 05 13:44:47 dbmoodb_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Today/2007.2#Adjust_UI_components_at_runtime - look at the bottom of the page Aug 05 13:45:07 matholio: ah... in that case, no idea Aug 05 13:45:49 would `ifdown eth0` actually power off wifi ? Aug 05 13:46:07 it should Aug 05 13:46:09 rysiek: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions -- Comparison list of all distros Aug 05 13:46:24 you can try echo 0 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/*wifi*/power_on (or similar) ;) Aug 05 13:47:52 spdr: i have a sim with 3 contacts and it works Aug 05 13:47:53 Flinx: thanks! Aug 05 13:48:35 rysiek: no worries. Aug 05 13:51:01 ok, i just shelled out the $440. is the debug board useful for a normal developer? Aug 05 13:53:31 I heard that it was more for hardware people. Aug 05 13:53:52 Although it also seems as a way to unbrick your phone Aug 05 13:55:01 Ian00: depends Aug 05 13:55:18 you can flash whatever you want and will be able to restore it Aug 05 13:55:26 if you are likely to brick the hardware the debug board may be useful Aug 05 13:56:42 remember there is a nor and a nand version of uboot so you are not screwed if flashing that fails Aug 05 13:56:45 yeah cause i'm not far away from screwing up my bootenv Aug 05 13:57:36 well, if you managed to actually brick your phone, i'm sure you could find someone trustworthy who has a debug board, that you could simply post the phone to them with return postage Aug 05 13:58:10 odds of bricking your FR are small... Aug 05 13:58:24 and if you're just an application developer, the debug board will be mostly useless Aug 05 13:59:04 the debug board can give you a serial console on the phone, and a jtag interface for (very) low level debugging Aug 05 13:59:09 i read that its the uboot image you need the debug board for? is that like the equivalent of grub? it doesn't seem like i would need to mess with that as long as I can mess with the kernel. Is there something i'm missing? is there some other use to the debug board, like for working on kernel modules or something? Aug 05 13:59:28 ahh, answer my question as i ask it iatlint :) Aug 05 13:59:30 Ian00: yes, in theory Aug 05 13:59:42 uboot does a little bit more than grub though Aug 05 13:59:47 Ian00: it gives you an avenue to debug when the system is completely wedged - JTAG Aug 05 13:59:52 there are updates to it that affect more than just loading the kernel Aug 05 13:59:55 Another reason I got a debug board was the linux-supported JTAG, where $100 is reasonable for something better than a barebones wiggler.. Aug 05 14:00:06 Ian00: but that's not used by - for example Aug 05 14:00:09 Zorkman, thanks Aug 05 14:00:13 there are 2 uboots avalable Aug 05 14:00:28 no need to tape it like i saw on some pic yesterday ? Aug 05 14:00:30 Ian00: PC kernel driver writers Aug 05 14:00:45 hey lint did you write py-level? Aug 05 14:00:58 wtf is py-level? Aug 05 14:01:02 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=3 Aug 05 14:01:11 i wanna find whoever did that Aug 05 14:01:41 thank you everhone. Is there anything else I should also look at getting other than a microsd card? Aug 05 14:02:03 ah, nice... although i wouldn't trust it :P Aug 05 14:02:18 every surface i put my neo on never reports 0 on the x axis, and rarely 0 on the y Aug 05 14:02:56 ieatlint: it's not specified to Aug 05 14:02:58 good enough for the approx use it is designed for, not for exact measurements :P Aug 05 14:03:00 ieatlint: there is an offset Aug 05 14:03:13 they offset x? Aug 05 14:03:24 labyrinth game Aug 05 14:03:35 ieatlint: the output of the ADC is an 8 bit value - covering from +-2G Aug 05 14:03:37 IIRC Aug 05 14:03:55 0x80 won't be 0G - there is a specified max offset Aug 05 14:03:55 for me the minimal value is 18 (-18) Aug 05 14:04:34 ADC? Aug 05 14:04:48 is there a way to find the battery power levels on the command line? Aug 05 14:05:09 ieatlint: analogue to digital converter Aug 05 14:05:30 apm Snaarf Aug 05 14:05:44 anyone know where to find the propper feed configs for /etc/opkg? Aug 05 14:05:46 the value has to be more than 8 bits though, seeing as its range exceeds that of an 8bit integer Aug 05 14:05:47 sweet, thanks kd8ikt Aug 05 14:06:35 Snaarf: cat /proc/apm ? Aug 05 14:07:04 cat /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/capacity Aug 05 14:07:09 spdr: nothing special needed Aug 05 14:07:44 anyway, i have to catch a shuttle in an hour to get to linuxworld, so i should probably start to get ready Aug 05 14:08:03 i read the data sheet on the battery one evening its one damn magic battery Aug 05 14:08:13 why? Aug 05 14:08:16 thanks guys Aug 05 14:09:08 wwant to find me a replacement with a higher milliamphour rating Aug 05 14:09:57 i mean, why is it a magic battery? Aug 05 14:10:10 or i'd be happy if resume from suspend would'nt give me a white screen of FAIL Aug 05 14:10:32 ugh.. a WOSF Aug 05 14:10:54 http://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/hardware/GTA02/CT-GTA02.pdf Aug 05 14:13:32 gtg Aug 05 14:13:33 huh... I just flashed fso milestone 2 and zhone fails to "import site" on startup. Is there a fix for this? Aug 05 14:13:34 cu all Aug 05 14:13:47 oh, there's a milestone 2? Aug 05 14:14:07 yes Aug 05 14:14:51 hey ieatlint /me tripleboots now Aug 05 14:17:21 is the rootfs for gta02 misnamed? Aug 05 14:17:30 ...rootfs.jffs2.summary Aug 05 14:17:47 nope ecreaven Aug 05 14:17:55 47M summary file? Aug 05 14:18:15 http://www.inf.u-szeged.hu/jffs2/mount.php Aug 05 14:18:18 it was always around that amount of MB (that i can remember..) Aug 05 14:18:52 lol a White Screen of FAIL ? Aug 05 14:19:26 I wish I were at linuxworld :( Aug 05 14:20:21 ecraven: If you download an FSO image, the file system will be in a jffs2 'summary' file. A file with the extension ".jffs2.summary" can be flashed to the FreeRunner just like an ordinary jffs2 file. Aug 05 14:20:31 ecraven: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Download_the_image_files_that_you_will_need Aug 05 14:20:56 what's the difference between a summary file and a normal jffs2? Aug 05 14:21:13 has anyone tried using a bluetooth keyboard with thier FR? Aug 05 14:21:35 off topic. any git wizards here? I have two brances, mine and one from anyone else. I need to merge all changes from the other branch into mine. is git merge what i want? Aug 05 14:22:12 ecraven: summary is mor efficient Aug 05 14:22:17 s/mor/more Aug 05 14:22:29 there was some package to enable fsom2 opkg upgrade. where is that gone? ^^ Aug 05 14:22:33 what? no mkfs.jffs2? Aug 05 14:22:34 DPThough1, git-pull ? Aug 05 14:22:59 * kd8ikt considers changing his sdcard to jffs Aug 05 14:23:27 Tanuva: http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/updates/distro-feed-configs_1.0-r0_om-gta02.ipk Aug 05 14:23:30 darkjames: oh, i always thought that is only to fetch a repository. Thanks Aug 05 14:24:48 DPThough1, git-fetch. git-pull runs git-fetch and git-merge :) Aug 05 14:25:23 darkjames: so git merge is the trick? (i have both brances locally already) Aug 05 14:25:36 mmaestri: thanks :) Aug 05 14:25:41 what are the syncing features of openmoko? what app to use on the desktop side? Aug 05 14:26:24 DPThough1, should do, /me always runs git-pull, sorry. Aug 05 14:26:28 noaXess: syncing features are up to you as you can have diffrent apps on both of sides Aug 05 14:27:07 noaXess: on 2007.2 you have all data in evolution data server format for example Aug 05 14:27:18 hm.. then i can add my own sync software to syncing eg. with korganizer Aug 05 14:27:50 darkjames: git merge seems to work. thanks again. Aug 05 14:28:29 torindel: on the bare freerunner is ther a syncsoft available? Aug 05 14:29:00 noaXess: rsync Aug 05 14:29:07 noaXess: not so easy. embedded eds uses dbus, shcih is not network transparent. But yit should be possible to build sync tools based on eds. like fetching vcal files. Or best syncml Aug 05 14:29:20 noaXess: though you may not consider that actually syncing in the normal sense. Aug 05 14:29:23 yes Aug 05 14:29:25 s/shcih/which/ Aug 05 14:29:26 DPThough1 meant: noaXess: not so easy. embedded eds uses dbus, which is not network transparent. But yit should be possible to build sync tools based on eds. like fetching vcal files. Or best syncml Aug 05 14:30:49 other question.. can i open a vcal file? or a ics file on openmoko? Aug 05 14:30:56 Cool! I can get Pidgin on my FR?! Aug 05 14:31:21 or a vcf? Aug 05 14:32:15 Flinx: theoretically, yes Aug 05 14:32:32 neat Aug 05 14:32:44 Flinx: you need to compile it and dependencies for arm4t and it wont be really usable on the small screen, but its possible Aug 05 14:32:51 I'm being entertained by the screenshots Aug 05 14:33:04 probably enough for me ;) Aug 05 14:33:14 pidgin is usable ;) Aug 05 14:33:15 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Available_Packages Aug 05 14:33:26 i will post screenshot.. Aug 05 14:33:49 oh! Aug 05 14:33:54 interesting Aug 05 14:34:02 yes :) Aug 05 14:34:11 pidgin isn't unusable Aug 05 14:34:12 i have pidgin running Aug 05 14:34:32 does anybody know why in the neo freerunner is no digicam integrated? Aug 05 14:34:42 but i can't add msn Aug 05 14:34:44 because there isn't. Aug 05 14:34:55 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/0f85403f8465be62a943c8336095801c.png Aug 05 14:35:21 noaXess: that is one of the reasons why i like it, no camera ;) Aug 05 14:35:30 ecraven: :) Aug 05 14:35:32 maybe because a camera would only enhance the complexity? Aug 05 14:35:47 now, let's see how milestone 2 looks ;) Aug 05 14:35:50 ab with pidgin: if i want to add a googletalk account and i press the password box, the keyboard dissapears Aug 05 14:36:01 okay.. but it will be nice.. then.. we never need any other device :) Aug 05 14:36:02 and really... how many people use thier camera? Personally Id rather just carry around my digital Aug 05 14:36:27 * Zorkman wouldn't mind a camera, but only if it was a +/- decent one Aug 05 14:36:40 smile! :P Aug 05 14:37:02 Flinx: thats it Aug 05 14:37:35 especially because my cam is far better than any phone-integrated one... :D Aug 05 14:37:47 https://hiciu.rootnode.net/freerunner/2008-08-05-163403_480x640_scrot.png Aug 05 14:37:52 https://hiciu.rootnode.net/freerunner/2008-08-05-163512_480x640_scrot.png Aug 05 14:38:53 well yeah Aug 05 14:38:59 hi all Aug 05 14:39:10 you can't integrate an SLR into a Phone ;) Aug 05 14:39:17 l Aug 05 14:39:41 Flinx: but you could integrate a phone into a SLR *g* Aug 05 14:39:52 he thi7 3rom my fr Aug 05 14:40:06 as you can see, the keyboard is too large on pidgin in 2007.2 :) Aug 05 14:40:08 hm.. are there problems with usb networking and milestone 2 of FSO? Aug 05 14:40:13 can't see what i type :) Aug 05 14:40:35 anybody has an idea about where grabbing console utilities for the fso image ? Aug 05 14:40:35 unable to enumerate :( Aug 05 14:40:36 ecraven: I got the impression that python is broken Aug 05 14:40:50 i'll stay with debian ;) Aug 05 14:40:53 zhone as well as my own app won't start Aug 05 14:41:03 zhone starts, but things are *slow* Aug 05 14:41:20 I'll just return to alphaone's dailies Aug 05 14:41:36 mind: you have to reboot fso after the first boot Aug 05 14:41:54 done that by force, it just crashed Aug 05 14:42:03 bumbl: have you found any protection foil for the display? Aug 05 14:42:37 hi is borg here ? Aug 05 14:42:39 pidgin works nice, any1 managed msn on it? Aug 05 14:42:45 Tanuva: that would be a huge phone :P Aug 05 14:42:49 join openmoko-cdev Aug 05 14:42:55 oops Aug 05 14:43:03 Zorkma1: yep just install the msn plugin Aug 05 14:43:04 ecraven: actually I can't decide which to buy Aug 05 14:43:12 Flinx: but it could take awesome photos :D Aug 05 14:43:20 yeah it would... Aug 05 14:43:25 Zorkman: libpurple-protocol-msn - 2.2.1-r0 - Libpurple protocol plugin for msn Aug 05 14:43:29 bumbl: hehe ;) Aug 05 14:43:37 Zorkma1: put the accounts in from another comp... Aug 05 14:43:37 hm.. have to reboot, back in a minute Aug 05 14:43:40 thx Aug 05 14:43:47 OOO Better idea... lets integrate a Phone into a CAMERA! Aug 05 14:44:11 Zorkma1: there isn't any otr plugin as of yet Aug 05 14:44:15 with gps chip - so you could automatically geotag your photos :D Aug 05 14:44:38 yeap Aug 05 14:47:41 I'd like to see a good open standard for geotagging, though... Aug 05 14:48:54 tangogps can do geotagging i think Aug 05 14:50:45 Zorkman: tango gps needs a better interface Aug 05 14:52:08 hello. in my newly flashed om2008.8, i need a working url in /etc/opkg/fic-gta02-feed.conf. i couldn't find a directory on buildhost.openmoko.org Aug 05 14:54:32 hey, just got my freerunner, now i tried truning it on before charging, and then i connected it to the charger and the screen was full of blusish/perpul lines and dotts (looked really buggy), anyone seen this happen ? Aug 05 14:56:10 spdr: don't do it :) Aug 05 14:57:08 yeah i took the battery out and im now charging while its off Aug 05 14:57:27 but the question is, is it messed up lindi- ? :) Aug 05 14:58:16 spdr: unpredictable things probably can happen if it runs without power? Aug 05 14:59:59 lindi-: there is some stupid bug regarding not being able to charge on the stock battery if it drains completly (too much) for some reason.. in which case you need another standard battery Aug 05 15:00:06 (nokia something) Aug 05 15:00:23 are there any lifestreams from the linuxworld expo? Aug 05 15:00:30 My nokia uses the same battery as the neo Aug 05 15:00:54 dbmoodb_: lindi-: there's some trick to jumpstart the battery, ask michael about it, IIRC he explained that somewhere Aug 05 15:01:07 Snaarf: ...that's not entirely unintentional. :) Aug 05 15:01:20 dbmoodb_: yep Aug 05 15:01:29 baird: It's a good move Aug 05 15:01:52 Snaarf: what model Nokia battery do you have? Aug 05 15:02:33 Not sure the model of battery, don't have it with me in the office. The phone is a Nokia 5100 Aug 05 15:03:42 The Wiki mentions just the BL5C, although it would be good to know if other similar model batteries are compatible. Aug 05 15:04:13 i've tested the bl5c Aug 05 15:04:16 I'll take a look when I get home, add it to the wiki if it's different Aug 05 15:04:20 the bl6c is also said to work Aug 05 15:04:37 used in the nokia E60 and the LD-3W GPS Aug 05 15:04:38 im using a BL-5B as a backup battery to boot it if the primary battery dies Aug 05 15:05:19 wtf Aug 05 15:05:31 is the screen supposed to look buggy when you turn it on? Aug 05 15:05:46 ie colorful Aug 05 15:05:48 looks dead :( Aug 05 15:07:38 baird - i've used both a BL4 and 5C Aug 05 15:07:54 they just do not report the power levels tho Aug 05 15:10:16 spdr: for a short time thats possible Aug 05 15:11:43 Tanuva, how short? Aug 05 15:11:54 i think its kinda dead :\ Aug 05 15:12:12 so is it alright if i add those batteries to the wiki ? Aug 05 15:12:23 Would using a Nokia phone to recharge a catatonic Neo battery work? (..probably not..) Aug 05 15:12:42 so we have the bl-5b, bl4 5c bl5c Aug 05 15:12:52 spdr: <1sec Aug 05 15:13:09 * dbmoodb_ will test mine now Aug 05 15:13:23 so i guess i recived fucked merchandise Aug 05 15:13:27 :( Aug 05 15:13:59 Unfortunately, all the local electronic stores are offering replacement batteries with capacities of <1000mAh.. Aug 05 15:14:16 spdr: if its only the screen, you may wait some minutes to let it boot and try ssh'ing then Aug 05 15:14:24 spdr: ? Aug 05 15:14:27 (just to test if its only the screen what's broken) Aug 05 15:14:37 spdr: Thats not good :( Aug 05 15:14:59 can i buy the right replacement battery anywhere? Mine is probably pretty much dead because it was tourmented wth dozends of deep drains Aug 05 15:15:05 i will do that now Aug 05 15:15:12 how can i shutdown FSO milestone 2? Aug 05 15:15:35 ecraven: hold the power button Aug 05 15:15:42 that only suspends Aug 05 15:15:43 ecraven: theres no "clean" shutdown yet Aug 05 15:15:48 hold, not press once Aug 05 15:15:49 halt ? Aug 05 15:16:33 ecraven: just type halt on terminal Aug 05 15:16:51 or make a .desktop with that Aug 05 15:17:11 Even when i remove the bat and just plug it into the usb it comes up like that :S Aug 05 15:17:12 problem installing the latest build of navit: http://pastebin.com/mf0b1522 Aug 05 15:17:52 md5 problems Aug 05 15:18:45 yeah, but how do i solve them? Aug 05 15:19:05 unpack the ipkg, change the md5 sum in the meta files, repackage ;) Aug 05 15:19:07 i guess Aug 05 15:20:17 now where did the page go that explained how to change the uboot.env to automatically boot from SD ;( Aug 05 15:20:34 is there a git repo address where i can pull the FSO software? Aug 05 15:21:16 ecraven: have you checked past revisions of the wiki page? Aug 05 15:21:34 ecraven: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD Aug 05 15:21:54 there is something about "Autoboot from SDHC " Aug 05 15:22:09 moo! Aug 05 15:22:24 Hi Choz Aug 05 15:22:28 ,... Chox. Aug 05 15:22:31 Zorkman: thanks! Aug 05 15:22:39 the wiki search seems b0rked.. :( Aug 05 15:23:04 wiki search never worked... i use xxxxxx site:openmoko.org in google Aug 05 15:23:25 strange.. Aug 05 15:23:39 someone should fix the Wiki Search Aug 05 15:23:53 Zorkman, involved in the development of tangogps? Aug 05 15:24:27 nope, i'm still a long way from develloping something Aug 05 15:25:10 Zorkman: if you use navit 0.1.0 from rabenfrost/celtune (its comipled with additional libgarmin support) you need to change the lib-paths in /usr/share/navit/navit.xml (change lib*.so to lib*.so.0 und libgraphics_null.so to libgraphics_null.so.0) Aug 05 15:25:51 thanks!! Aug 05 15:25:56 np Aug 05 15:26:00 I would never boot when i tried Aug 05 15:26:41 it cant find the plugins so no way to boot Aug 05 15:27:22 hm.. *something* on the FR keeps destroying my sd card's partition table Aug 05 15:27:43 ecraven: suspend/resume. Aug 05 15:27:44 those damn opensource gremlings Aug 05 15:27:46 *gremlins Aug 05 15:27:57 cjb: isn't that a rather *big* problem? Aug 05 15:28:01 ecraven: yup. Aug 05 15:28:11 weirdly, we had exactly the same problem over at OLPC Aug 05 15:28:19 cjb: have you had any luck with Xglamo so far? Aug 05 15:28:26 cjb: interesting, any idea how does it happen? Aug 05 15:28:28 a big msleep(400); in the resume path of the SD controller "fixed" it for us Aug 05 15:28:31 good thing i just saved my debian rootfs 10 minutes ago ;) Aug 05 15:28:36 gr8, i wait a fucking month and get a moko that dosnt work. Aug 05 15:28:39 tons of fun Aug 05 15:28:44 "not work"? Aug 05 15:29:11 ecraven: I had the opposite of luck :) The author recommended a fix that didn't help. I'll poke at it further when I get a chance. Aug 05 15:29:18 yeah Aug 05 15:29:33 i had a glancing look, but as i have never done any X server programming, i'm a bit overwhelmed :( Aug 05 15:29:33 ah guys the mokomake script should i set it to be gta02 or because i can make setupfreerunner is that no important Aug 05 15:29:37 ? Aug 05 15:30:27 ecraven: yeah, it doesn't seem to be anything obvious Aug 05 15:30:51 ecraven: the glamo driver's already doing what the fbdev does to rotate input, and the fbdev driver works Aug 05 15:30:56 it really seems as though the touch screen input wasn't rotated correctly Aug 05 15:31:12 or rather, as though the display was still higher than wide Aug 05 15:31:20 right. but it's trying. and it seems weird that the vertical coordinate was okay. Aug 05 15:31:29 ecraven: on boot if (other_Os_Than_Stock_On_Sd_card ==1) { cout << "OWNED ahahahah" << endl;} Aug 05 15:31:33 Has anyone done any SDL stuff on the FR? Aug 05 15:31:45 Snaarf: i did a simple game with chicken scheme and sdl Aug 05 15:32:07 ecraven: have you already bought a screen protector? Aug 05 15:32:18 bumbl: no, i didn't look for one so far, i'm counting on you ;-P Aug 05 15:32:29 at the moment i keep my neo in the bag it came with Aug 05 15:32:47 alphaone: python-pygtk is missing some packages from your repository. Is it safe to use the om buildhost as package source, too? Aug 05 15:32:50 ^^ Aug 05 15:33:34 is there already a bug report about the flash-wiping bug? Aug 05 15:34:08 opkg update fails - what to do Aug 05 15:34:30 Marcel_M: I did what you said and it still wont launch, it looks like it launches for a few ms and then quits, looks like a sort of refresh in the applications menu... Aug 05 15:34:39 Tanuva: probably, if you only get these packages from there Aug 05 15:34:59 Otherwise there might be version confilicts, clashes, ... Aug 05 15:35:05 Zorkman: what does it say if you start it from console? Aug 05 15:35:16 at first i wanted to buy an invisible shield from zagg.com but hardly anyone gets their order and they only take credit cards and paypal Aug 05 15:35:35 maybe you need http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/libgarmin-bin_svnrev-281-r0_armv4t.ipk and http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/libgarmin_svnrev-281-r0_armv4t.ipk Aug 05 15:35:42 alphaone: to be precise: it's gtk+, libcairo2 and libglib-2.0-0 Aug 05 15:35:53 anyone knows how to make wget work with a proxy? Aug 05 15:36:12 gtk+ should be on the fso image Aug 05 15:36:36 I believe that should be all on the images Aug 05 15:36:38 wait Aug 05 15:36:56 Marcel_M: http://pastebin.com/d156c07d4 Aug 05 15:37:16 alphaone: opkg list | grep gtk+ only offers gtk+-fastscaling-* Aug 05 15:38:41 mmaestri: mmm interesting idea mmaestri try looking what tork does for putting wget / those things into tor (socks proxy -> tor network) Aug 05 15:38:48 Zorkman: Error parsing '/usr/share/navit/navit.xml': Failed to open file '/usr/share/navit/maps/*.xml': No such file or directory at line 107, char 51 Aug 05 15:38:59 what map du you use Aug 05 15:39:11 there is not yet a map on the phone Aug 05 15:39:21 I do have a few garmin maps laying around, i could scp them to the device Aug 05 15:39:22 Tanuva: root@om-gta02:~# opkg list_installed libcairo2 Aug 05 15:39:22 libcairo2 - 1.4.10-r0 - Aug 05 15:40:22 alphaone: python-pygtk wants >= 1.6.4 Aug 05 15:40:24 f*cking windows. Aug 05 15:40:35 hrmm Aug 05 15:40:46 Tanuva: Well, you can try upgrading Aug 05 15:40:54 alphaone: and I already installed it on some previous images of yours Aug 05 15:41:09 okay Aug 05 15:41:10 bumbl: looks interesting, but if they don't deliver.. ;( Aug 05 15:41:40 Zorkman: set at line 106 (if it is not) Aug 05 15:42:04 yayay my nokia battery also works adding info Aug 05 15:42:21 alphaone: upgrade does nothing with your most recent image Aug 05 15:42:23 Marcµ Aug 05 15:42:30 Marcel_M: it was already "no" Aug 05 15:42:35 ah sorry Aug 05 15:42:39 my mistake Aug 05 15:42:47 i have another battery from a nokia but the moko doenst read the charge Aug 05 15:43:48 Marcel_M: stil lthe same error, i will try to restart x Aug 05 15:44:05 m0n3yadd1ct3d%) Aug 05 15:45:08 Marcel_M: line 106 says "no" and i restarted X and still the saem problem Aug 05 15:46:50 i'm scp'ing a *.img map now to the device, i will try what it gives when i enable the garmin maps Aug 05 15:47:00 Zorkman: set it to yes get a small map from here http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/navit-osm-maps/ and point line 107 to the map Aug 05 15:47:28 Anybody knows if it works with michelin maps ? **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 05 16:02:02 2008 Aug 05 16:03:58 yikers Aug 05 16:05:44 yikes :( Aug 05 16:08:02 yeah that is amazing Aug 05 16:08:49 there were about 40 people left here, and 2 in neo1973-germany :) Aug 05 16:09:30 was i one of em Aug 05 16:10:07 ipv6 for the win Aug 05 16:10:08 quick, someone hicjack the channel Aug 05 16:10:25 kinda hard with nickerv Aug 05 16:13:30 Added a table to the compatible battery entry.. Aug 05 16:14:04 baird: --- cool did you see i put stuff on the freerunner batter page ? Aug 05 16:14:33 db: I was watching the recent changes page :) Aug 05 16:16:07 baird: the one thing i like doing more than i probably should ...is good documentation Aug 05 16:16:44 ah it would be cool if some one could configure a build server to use the mokomakefile with --- that would be cool :) Aug 05 16:17:04 db: are you still on the oz-users mailing list? (I unsubscribed) Any mention of the screen protectors that Neil was getting in? Aug 05 16:17:09 (or get more things compiled into an installable ipkg / opkg version) Aug 05 16:17:20 yeah i am ah i checked recently didnt see anything Aug 05 16:17:52 baird: i know how you feel the plastic cover on it is only so good :( (screen) Aug 05 16:31:04 why are we hijacking the channel? Aug 05 16:33:04 dbmoodb_: do you need help with documentation? Aug 05 16:33:11 moo Aug 05 16:33:17 Hi Chox Aug 05 16:33:27 dbmoodb_: I LOVE good documentation :P Aug 05 16:33:35 \o/ Aug 05 16:33:45 * dbmoodb_ go document then -- i'm not that knowledgemeably on this stuff atm Aug 05 16:33:58 damnit... Aug 05 16:34:03 I need direction :p Aug 05 16:34:17 "go document" doesn't really count ;) Aug 05 16:34:20 on the documentation list, right? Aug 05 16:34:54 me? Aug 05 16:34:58 yes, you Aug 05 16:35:10 You should read that for some direction Aug 05 16:35:12 Chox: i was waiting to get my FR Aug 05 16:35:17 :o Aug 05 16:35:55 * Flinx starts joining the mailing lists.... Aug 05 16:36:05 and read its archives. Aug 05 16:36:45 whats with libefreet damnit? Aug 05 16:36:58 opkg -force-depends remove freet Aug 05 16:37:40 really? Aug 05 16:37:41 I want to solder a neo/2.5mm => 3.5mm-stereo-speakers adapter. Is a 2.5mm plug with 4 rings (http://www.reichelt.de/?;ACTION=3;LA=2;GROUP=C161;GROUPID=3237;ARTICLE=47785;START=0;SORT=artnr;OFFSET=1000;SID=26lLCjkawQARoAAE3jIoEb4d4757a6a868feae49fd3c176364ad8) the right one for the neo side? Aug 05 16:37:42 thats what i gotta do? Aug 05 16:37:58 well, it's why you can try. Of course, I dunno the exact error. Aug 05 16:38:02 s/why/what/ Aug 05 16:38:07 Chox meant: well, it's what you can try. Of course, I dunno the exact error. Aug 05 16:42:35 anyone doing anything interesting with their freerunners today? Aug 05 16:43:14 like experimented with fitting it into various bodily orifices? Aug 05 16:43:18 no. Aug 05 16:46:59 I thought there was going to be an attachment fro that :p Aug 05 16:47:24 you have to sign an NDA to work out how to shove it in. Aug 05 16:47:33 "tethering" Aug 05 16:56:13 rawer Aug 05 16:57:55 hm, can you change the cpu speed while fr is running? Aug 05 16:58:29 im trying to install debian on mine, but aptitude is dead slow, so Im wondering if its in powersaving mode or something Aug 05 16:59:02 Quai: not yet. Aug 05 16:59:04 Off Topic: does any one know if scap.linuxtogo.org is -just- for OM screenshots? Aug 05 16:59:07 Quai: it's being worked on Aug 05 16:59:39 so it is always running on full speed? Aug 05 16:59:44 Flinx: what do you think the lanyard is for but to aid in retrieval. Aug 05 16:59:47 Quai: yes Aug 05 17:00:07 Quai: at the moemnt at least - there have been reports of some having network problems. Aug 05 17:00:40 to bad :) it takes me >30 min to install a package with apt Aug 05 17:00:50 you're on wifi? Aug 05 17:00:59 no Aug 05 17:01:18 is it possible to underclock freerunner cpu by software? to converse battery... Aug 05 17:01:18 it is the "Writing extended state information..." that are slow Aug 05 17:01:45 my plan: compile scummvm for freerunner and use it as gaming platform. however, battery life is not up to the task. Aug 05 17:01:52 Moo--: see above answer Aug 05 17:02:15 Battery life is very much a work in progress. Suspend works for some people in some images on freerunner, leading to >24h suspend times. It looks plausible from various sources of information and testing that 3-5 hours of talk time, 20h of mp3 playing, and a week of standby should be possible. Aug 05 17:03:21 nice Aug 05 17:03:25 SpeedEvil: i just joined the channel... let me phrase my question better: gaming takes 100% CPU power, can I still prolong the battery life? Aug 05 17:03:29 thats seems like pretty good ratings Aug 05 17:03:44 Moo--: you can turn the CPU slower, or backlight dimmer Aug 05 17:03:53 SpeedEvil: ah thanks! Aug 05 17:04:04 and my next question.. how? :) Aug 05 17:04:06 in principle - backlight only ATM Aug 05 17:04:10 ack Aug 05 17:04:23 cock speed is not easy to change. Aug 05 17:04:24 ^l Aug 05 17:04:31 :) Aug 05 17:04:38 you've got to basically change the speed of the clokc - which is easy. Aug 05 17:04:58 And then stop and restart correctly all the things - sound, video, sd, serial, ... that are using it. Aug 05 17:05:32 hmmm Aug 05 17:05:33 With teh constraint that some things may not work at some speeds, locking out some speed ranges if you're using the audio, forex. Aug 05 17:05:51 Flinx: scap is used by the handhelds.org folks too, so its not only OM. Aug 05 17:06:30 there was some discussion long time ago that mp3 playback could be implemented using switching clock speed states: decoding to a buffer in high speed, then dropping back to a slow speed mode for a while to play it and conserve battery Aug 05 17:06:47 Moo--: for the backlight, write or read a number (from 0 to 63) to /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/backlight/pcf50633-bl/brightness Aug 05 17:06:48 if that kind of seamless switching (audio, video) is possible I'd be more than happy Aug 05 17:07:01 thanks quai Aug 05 17:08:36 torpor: Yeah thats what i thought. but since it was flooded with OM stuff i wans't sure. Aug 05 17:09:56 raster: you've got access to the enlightenment cvs? if yes you could change the README of edje.. it says that you have to run autogen.sh and then configure.. but autogen.sh DOES actually run configure Aug 05 17:10:13 raster: oh.. forget it.. will write it in the TRAC Aug 05 17:14:32 I have a lot of catching up to do -.- Aug 05 17:17:13 Hi all Aug 05 17:17:21 I {heart} my FreeRunner Aug 05 17:17:27 But I also find it kinda frustrating Aug 05 17:17:40 On the plus side, it gives me the same feeling as installing Debian for the first time in 1996. Aug 05 17:17:55 On the minus side, it gives me the same feeling as installing Debian for the first time in 1996. Aug 05 17:18:26 e_s_p: :D Aug 05 17:18:49 I'm also totally confused by the different distributions Aug 05 17:21:49 lol Aug 05 17:22:11 i take it you have you seen the distro comparison then Aug 05 17:22:15 Yes Aug 05 17:22:28 And I get the shakes from it Aug 05 17:22:49 Apparently the phone I got last Friday is out of date already, and a whole new OS is coming. Aug 05 17:23:07 But some community devs are working on the old OS still. Aug 05 17:23:38 Fortunately I enjoy the fun of flashing new rootfs's to try them out Aug 05 17:23:52 e_s_p: it's very simple. 2008.8 is ASU, which uses Qt but is not the QTopia distro. 2007.2 is dead but lives on in SHR, which is also FSO. And we don't talk about 2007.1 any more. :) Aug 05 17:24:06 mmontour: Ooooooh Aug 05 17:24:08 Clear as mud. Aug 05 17:24:10 B-) Aug 05 17:24:16 hello, my name is jan and i'm helping to organize the barcamp in bangkok at the August 30 and 31, 2008. Many of us would really love to know more about the openmoko project. do you guys know any person in bangkok, thailand or maybe in the region who wants to give a talk about the project, any maybe show a freerunner live? Aug 05 17:25:12 Wow... is it just me or does this seem like a BDSM pickup line? "Setting up the hardware, getting to know the Neo FreeRunner physically" Aug 05 17:26:21 we are open source fetichsts, so you are close to it :) Aug 05 17:26:37 http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-1041430/Doctor-saves-babys-life-making-homemade-kidney-dialysis-machine.html Aug 05 17:27:05 okay so its not just me being bored at work ;) Aug 05 17:27:34 btw.. jan_bangna I really like the idea of speakers, and a live demo Aug 05 17:27:43 could be a good way to pitch the project. Aug 05 17:28:23 this time we will have around 500 participants and i know manypeople really want to see it Aug 05 17:28:33 jan_bangna: that's a good idea. I wonder if Taiwan is close enough that people would fly in to do the demo. Aug 05 17:29:33 e_s_p i would like to ask them, but hard to find a contact Aug 05 17:30:11 Hey, I just got Qtopia working Aug 05 17:30:14 Neato Aug 05 17:32:32 Wow, Qtopia is a real step up from 2007.2 Aug 05 17:32:38 yes Aug 05 17:33:02 jan_bangna: maybe try sending something through the community mailing list? Aug 05 17:33:07 you want to try something cool I just figured out on qtopia? Aug 05 17:33:17 DAMNIT!!! My SIM card is listed as not working :( Aug 05 17:33:35 railer: sure Aug 05 17:33:44 Is it going to fry my phone? Aug 05 17:34:09 flinx yes, i just applied for an account for the mailing list, or can i just send a mail to the adress without account? Aug 05 17:34:15 IWBNI there was some kind of keyboard on this, though Aug 05 17:34:40 jan_bangna: you should have gotten a second email with a confirmation code Aug 05 17:34:46 e_s_p your internet usb connection working? Aug 05 17:35:08 jan_bangna: then after you confirm you will be given the address you need to mail it to :D Aug 05 17:35:27 flinx jst checkd again, got it. so i will send an email to that list. thanks Aug 05 17:35:38 anyone notice the red aux light coming on when charging in 2007.2? Aug 05 17:36:07 this sounds like a silly question to me but here goes. Aug 05 17:36:38 If I signed up for a new plan with AT&T am I at the mercy of which SIM they give me? Aug 05 17:36:42 bye Aug 05 17:36:56 e.g can I request one that has since proven to work? Aug 05 17:37:09 Zorkman: navit works here with an other garmin map http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ Aug 05 17:40:50 Marcel_M very nice Aug 05 17:45:32 railer: yes but i dunno why but on the maps are no streetnames (maybe the map doesnt contain them) Aug 05 17:46:53 Is there an ASU/2008.8 image I can try out? Aug 05 17:47:32 The links from the wiki page are empty Aug 05 17:48:40 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/ Aug 05 17:49:51 peter-b: thanks! Aug 05 17:50:04 np Aug 05 17:50:31 Hmm... I just flashed my FreeRunnre with the latest ASU image. Can anyone tell me how i get a terminal on it? it doesn't seem to be there as standard Aug 05 17:50:55 opkg install openmoko-terminal2 Aug 05 17:51:24 but you need to hack the illume theme to get the keyboard working Aug 05 17:51:26 peter-b: yeah, that's what i wanted to do, but it also seems that the usb-net isn't turned on Aug 05 17:51:39 In terms of Carriers, what would be recommended? I;m reading the Wiki right now, but there doesnt seem to be any "good" option Aug 05 17:51:47 is there an ASU for the neo1973? (gta01) Aug 05 17:52:59 Flinx: doesn't it depend on where you are in the world? Aug 05 17:53:09 http://xkcd.com/293/ Aug 05 17:53:11 genius Aug 05 17:53:33 SpeedEvil: haha! Aug 05 17:53:34 speedy. Aug 05 17:53:43 the usb ethernet driver is a module now Aug 05 17:53:56 oh, i'll turn it on then Aug 05 17:53:58 and obviously not loaded by default :-( Aug 05 17:54:25 you could try an older kernel images Aug 05 17:54:51 i don't mind it being a module Aug 05 17:54:51 sorry I should have specified US carriers Aug 05 17:54:57 but you may have to adjaust the modules then Aug 05 17:55:03 basically between AT&T and Tmobile Aug 05 17:55:21 peter-b: i suppose it can be insmod'et at the modules menu right? Aug 05 17:55:39 modules menu ? Aug 05 17:55:47 just do depmod Aug 05 17:55:51 Flinx: what was the question? Aug 05 17:55:59 peter-b: yeah, there's a modules menu in the settings menu Aug 05 17:56:01 the latest kernel image and config is set up to handle the loadable usb module. Aug 05 17:56:05 Flinx: I'm using t-mobile, and every image I've tried so far has been able to place and receive SMS and phone calls out of the box Aug 05 17:56:11 although it's pretty fucked when i scroll it Aug 05 17:56:11 you just have to make sure you run depmod before you reboot after the recent update .. Aug 05 17:56:18 no Aug 05 17:56:30 Haven't gotten GPRS working on anything yet, but I haven't tried, either. Aug 05 17:56:31 these are just illume modules Aug 05 17:56:36 ah Aug 05 17:56:46 oh well... i'll figure it out Aug 05 17:56:50 thanks Aug 05 17:57:19 Flinx: I also know that T-Mobile has a department called "unsupported phone support" who have been very helpful for me in the past. Aug 05 17:57:59 nice Aug 05 17:58:06 dingman: what plan are you using? Aug 05 17:58:50 <---AT&T Aug 05 18:00:12 Flinx: I've got a family time plan with two lines and the "total internet" add-on for each line. Aug 05 18:00:27 hrm Aug 05 18:00:43 It's worked with my Treo 650 for years, and it works with my wife's Blackjack II as well. Aug 05 18:02:00 Flinx: have you tried a service with the phone? Aug 05 18:08:42 UndrWater: Not yet. I am on a very basic AT&T FamilyPlan Aug 05 18:09:03 UndrWater: even then my SIM is listed as not working. so I need a second plan for the FR Aug 05 18:10:12 Flinx: why not just go in and get a good SIM? Aug 05 18:11:13 because I'm not the one paying for my current plan ;) Aug 05 18:11:29 and using GSM on it would run up my bill A lot Aug 05 18:11:40 ...not GSM.. GPS Aug 05 18:11:55 Its a work day... I'm tired -.- Aug 05 18:12:21 I have to pay the $0.01/kb of data Aug 05 18:12:55 i think you mean gprs? Aug 05 18:17:20 yeah... Aug 05 18:17:29 Data plan Aug 05 18:17:35 >.> Aug 05 18:18:37 i don't either...but my family plan works quite well...i had to change SIM cards though...because the one i had was poorly manufactured Aug 05 18:21:36 so I guess my question is.. if I want GPS for navigation do I need a data plan? Aug 05 18:22:26 Flinx: i don't think so...you'll probably just need a large SD card Aug 05 18:22:44 so you can download the maps you'll need Aug 05 18:22:46 Ok, so i've been messing around with the ASU for a bit more now. Is there no way to load the USB module after flashing with the latest ASU? Aug 05 18:23:15 or do i have to go back to an earlier version, and then ugrade and add the usb module before rebooting? Aug 05 18:23:41 XorA: you there? Aug 05 18:25:19 *nods* Aug 05 18:25:35 I'll wait for my FR to arrive before I look into phone stuff with it Aug 05 18:30:44 http://pastebin.com/d722256a8 Aug 05 18:30:55 with mokomakefile Aug 05 18:32:57 does suspend work on ASU? Last time I tried it it would wake up when I touched the screen, making it un-pocketable. IS that still around? Aug 05 18:36:07 Marcel_M: are those screenshots made by you? (garmin maps on navit) if so, can you tell me where yougot the maps from and how? because my citynav maps seem not to work Aug 05 18:36:23 break_free: maybe lock the screen first? Aug 05 18:36:50 Zorkman, yeah i'll try that next time I flash it Aug 05 18:37:31 Zorkman: http://garminmapsearch.com/ Aug 05 18:39:24 <`pwgen`> cd /varu Aug 05 18:39:25 Marcel_M: i've seen that page before, but how do you download maps from it? Aug 05 18:41:58 zoom to the area you like and click on it and on the right half of the screen the existing maps will show up Aug 05 18:42:32 brb Aug 05 18:54:10 thanks Marcel_M but these do not seem like very complete maps... they are just the openstreetmaps, no? Aug 05 18:57:14 UndrWater: so you have a regular (no data) plan with Tmobile? Aug 05 18:57:41 s/(no data)/(no unlimited data) Aug 05 19:01:46 need to reboot Marcel_M to windows, will be back later Aug 05 19:02:47 Flinx: AT&T Aug 05 19:04:47 ahh. Aug 05 19:04:53 I missed that >.< sorry... Aug 05 19:05:10 np Aug 05 19:05:39 UndrWater: have you had them replace SIM's before? Aug 05 19:06:13 cause i don't want them to give me a different one which is also listed as not working >.< Aug 05 19:09:37 Flinx: I had that happen to me last night Aug 05 19:09:48 I traded one sim card that didn't work for another Aug 05 19:10:06 *nods* Aug 05 19:10:15 the guy at the at&t store looked at me like I was an idiot when I told him that some cards wouldn't work Aug 05 19:10:20 I wonder if I can just print out the list and be like... I need one of these... Aug 05 19:10:36 at the store I went to, the guy said they only use one type of card Aug 05 19:10:42 Flinx: yes you can Aug 05 19:10:45 When I first got my Freerunner, I traded my SIM card and it worked fine. Aug 05 19:10:49 lucky for me. Aug 05 19:10:56 yeah, it probably depends on the store Aug 05 19:11:15 i just gave up and bought one from e-bay Aug 05 19:11:21 Flinx: also...look to be sure the copper is centered on the card...not offset and on the edge of one side...those are poorly manufactured Aug 05 19:11:37 $3.26 and free shipping Aug 05 19:12:04 Flinx: does your current card have an offset copper? Aug 05 19:12:50 63513 G 3001 64k smartchip does not respond to at+cimi Aug 05 19:12:59 thats the card details and yes the copper is offset Aug 05 19:14:00 known good card is: 712346 O with centered copper Aug 05 19:14:32 when i picked up that one and put it in the phone, it registered within 10 seconds of bootup Aug 05 19:15:13 kay Aug 05 19:15:21 is that one on the Wiki? Aug 05 19:15:51 Flinx: i've put it on the discussion page of the ATT part of the wiki Aug 05 19:17:06 kay Aug 05 19:17:10 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Carriers/ATT Aug 05 19:17:19 look towards the bottom Aug 05 19:17:32 yeah I'm already there Aug 05 19:19:48 anyone elso confusing apt-get and opkg on his debian system ? Aug 05 19:23:59 hm Aug 05 19:24:12 * Chox browses through NetFlix roke player binaries. Qttastic. Aug 05 19:24:16 Roku Aug 05 19:38:07 heh Aug 05 19:41:42 How do I search for packages in openembedded / openmoko? Aug 05 19:43:06 (The specific case here is I'm looking for some password safe program to run on the FR, but I don't know the name of one to give to bitbake to build. How do I come up with a name?) Aug 05 19:43:53 wtf 'password safe programs?' gpg like? Aug 05 19:44:54 you mean like opkg list|grep foo? Aug 05 19:45:17 darkjames: "a password protected password store"? Aug 05 19:45:28 so gpg :) Aug 05 19:46:04 qtopia will allow you to upload to facebook Aug 05 19:46:05 railer: that might work; any equivalent on the development machine (so I don't have to run that on the phone?) Aug 05 19:47:09 well there is a index online, that's close Aug 05 19:47:37 retracile: u can look in ..../openembedded/packages Aug 05 19:47:56 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=section§ion=openmoko%2Fbase Aug 05 19:48:04 ok.. by now we all know that FR will not be offered from OM webstore soon, if ever. so can someone please edit that page and remove the July 25th dead line date.. Aug 05 19:49:17 replace the ..... with your moko directory that mokomakefile uses Aug 05 19:51:49 zedstar_ I see that... is that a complete list of what's available? Aug 05 19:52:47 retracile: it depends on when u update i guess but shud be! Aug 05 19:53:17 zedstar_: ok, then that will do what I need. Thanks! Aug 05 19:58:30 Empty battery :-( Aug 05 20:04:39 wow... I am really glad that I ordered mine from Koolu. Aug 05 20:07:22 zhone says S2 instead of S1 for the gps chip, what does that mean? Aug 05 20:13:37 hey guys, i am thinking about to buy an openmoko phone. can you guess how long it will take until you are able to use sms, make calls, stand by, and save friends in a phonebook without any bugs? the other functions are just secondary functions and (right now) not very important for me. Aug 05 20:13:52 Varox: you can do all this right now on the qtopia image Aug 05 20:14:01 but, receiving SMS is still a little bit buggy Aug 05 20:14:24 weatherhead: and how long does the battery last? Aug 05 20:14:42 for me, only about 10 hours is the best I have seen Aug 05 20:14:43 Battery life is very much a work in progress. Suspend works for some people in some images on freerunner, leading to >24h suspend times. It looks plausible from various sources of information and testing that 3-5 hours of talk time, 20h of mp3 playing, and a week of standby should be possible. Aug 05 20:15:06 guys, I still mostly don't receive text messages in suspend Aug 05 20:15:16 anyone know anything about this Aug 05 20:15:44 when I then receive a text message while not in standby, they all arrive together, Aug 05 20:15:53 weatherhead: it's broken. Aug 05 20:15:56 SpeedEvil: how fast is the progress on the battery lifetime? i would like to use it as an everyday phone Aug 05 20:16:12 SpeedEvil: is it going to get fixed? Aug 05 20:16:16 Varox: the main dev hit on one core aspect of it hit a snag Aug 05 20:16:20 weatherhead: presumably. Aug 05 20:16:44 weatherhead: please post your experience and observations to the appropriate mailing list; the various dev teams do not believe that problem exists. Aug 05 20:17:09 what I mean is this: I am using the qtopia image, and will probably want to continue using it even after other images are usable Aug 05 20:17:11 SpeedEvil: what do you mean? Aug 05 20:17:41 Varox: the person working on CPU speed changing - which is a core aspect - ran into problems - personal and hardware related - that delayed his dev work. Aug 05 20:18:03 SpeedEvil: which list should I post to Aug 05 20:18:10 dunno Aug 05 20:18:11 ok Aug 05 20:18:13 how do i install a terminal in the latest ASU image? Aug 05 20:18:18 SpeedEvil: oh ok Aug 05 20:18:53 SpeedEvil: SpeedEvil so you think the openmoko hardware has to be changed again to become fully functional? Aug 05 20:19:13 Varox: no - not hardware Aug 05 20:19:30 Varox: though there are minor issues with the GPS, and the Aug 05 20:19:41 Varox: accellerator chip turned out to be a wash. Aug 05 20:20:39 SpeedEvil: you mean bad quality? (sorry i am not a native speaker) Aug 05 20:20:49 anyone? terminal in asu Aug 05 20:20:50 SpeedFAQ Aug 05 20:20:51 Varox: not as expected performance Aug 05 20:21:13 SpeedEvil: k, but I think it's nice to have, but not important Aug 05 20:21:27 an accelllerator chip Aug 05 20:21:35 llllll Aug 05 20:21:48 lollydays: i dont know,but try "opkg list | grep terminal" or "opkg list | grep console" Aug 05 20:22:15 thanks Aug 05 20:22:54 The glamo accellerator chip is a 2D/3D accellerator. Unfortunately, it has a 7megabytes/s bus to the CPU, which is shared by the SD. Transferring 3.5M/s to the glamo uses 50% CPU. The 3D accel cannot do VGA mode. In most cases, the glamo has not ended up improving performance as was hoped. Aug 05 20:24:34 Varox: Or, to put what SpeedEvil said a little differently: a chip that eats up space, costs developer time, eats up power and does not in fact accellerate - that's not something you want :) Aug 05 20:25:04 abraxa_: i guess you are right :) Aug 05 20:25:29 abraxa_: adds to the sticker price, uses board area. Aug 05 20:25:33 Hmm... vector based opengl ui... surely we'd be able to get some shit-hot fps out of that (pardon my French) :) Aug 05 20:26:09 SpeedEvil: and is weight you have to carry :P Aug 05 20:26:28 leinir: Find a nice cheap low-power small chipset, available in small (10, and 1K/5K) quantities, with docs, and ... Aug 05 20:26:35 SpeedEvil: Yup, price... I forgot that Aug 05 20:26:50 SpeedEvil: Well, the glammo would be able to do that, yeah? Aug 05 20:27:11 leinir: well - not especially. Aug 05 20:27:24 leinir: the amount it can accelerate isn't very high Aug 05 20:27:57 Well, what i was thinking was, the big bottleneck is the cpu<->gpu bandwidth, yeah? Aug 05 20:28:01 SpeedEvil: maybe? andy green mentioned an openrisc core on the glamo Aug 05 20:28:05 leinir: In 320x240 *if* someone writes drivers for it, which isn't happening Aug 05 20:28:09 Oh yeah, blah, and the opengl viewport :P Aug 05 20:28:13 unknown_lamer: which as we understand it has no docs Aug 05 20:28:19 i just remembered that one ;) Aug 05 20:28:38 SpeedEvil: that are not available under NDA at least --- perhaps Smedia could be convinced to release documentation Aug 05 20:29:00 unknown_lamer: as I understand from what raster implied, even with the NDA Aug 05 20:29:06 unknown_lamer: (for the RISC bit) Aug 05 20:29:11 unknown_lamer: it's just not documented. Aug 05 20:29:16 ah Aug 05 20:29:27 still, docs of some sort could help in figuring out how to load code onto them Aug 05 20:29:34 Sure. Aug 05 20:30:04 and Andy mentioned something about tweaking the timings a bit more and getting ~1.25-1.5x the bandwidth Aug 05 20:30:07 better than nothing ... Aug 05 20:30:09 Then you've only got to work out how to program a completely unknown RISC architecture, with a completely unknown interface, and ... Aug 05 20:30:41 SpeedEvil: but andy specifically said OpenRisc which has a documented ISA Aug 05 20:31:04 Ah Aug 05 20:31:12 assuming it is the proprietary version of the 1k series Aug 05 20:31:17 <`pwgen`> is mickey moveing his dbus interface from org.freesmartphone.GSM to org.freedesktop.Gypsy ? Aug 05 20:32:01 i can't get the ASU to do a screenlock... Aug 05 20:32:10 Turn the glammo into a gpu-cpu..? :) (a coprocessor..) Aug 05 20:32:19 Hi. I've tried to set up the USB network thing. I can connec to the FR via ssh. but can't ping the host. It just hangs (using todays ASU). Any sugestions about what I'm doing wrong? Aug 05 20:32:21 baird: sure, that would be lovely. Aug 05 20:33:03 Too bad there isn't a Mandelbrot-based benchmark for Mobile phones.. Aug 05 20:33:11 baird: it already has /engines/ for mpeg4 and jpeg decoding/encoding Aug 05 20:33:29 unknown_lamer: mp2 too Aug 05 20:33:30 which may turn out just to be programs running on an openrisc inside of it Aug 05 20:33:38 (audio) Aug 05 20:33:49 unknown_lamer: I'd be surprised if they were not. Aug 05 20:34:04 Also consider. Aug 05 20:34:12 GTA03 is reportedly dropping the glamo. Aug 05 20:34:26 which makes me lust after documentation more :-( perhaps tremor could run there (it ran on the Neuros DSP with its absurdly small cache and obscene main memory fetch times) Aug 05 20:34:55 Can you get enough good coders for the OR thing, given that they may only have 5K 'customers'. Aug 05 20:35:10 is there a way I can run a program on the freerunner through SSH? I can't get online with the neo and I want to import my contacts Aug 05 20:35:16 SpeedEvil: right which implies that openmoko inc. won't want to waste resources on the glamo -- but there are a good number of gta02 machines now and it'd be nice if it were possible for anyone to work on drivers and whatnot effectively Aug 05 20:35:20 unknown_lamer: nope - problem there is the audio out is unconnected AIUI Aug 05 20:35:42 SpeedEvil: the lust comment referred to the programmable processor in general Aug 05 20:36:04 unknown_lamer: it has the SD connected too. Aug 05 20:36:18 unknown_lamer: pass it a scatter-gather list of blocks, and you can turn the main CPU right off. Aug 05 20:36:23 SpeedEvil: you could always transfer decoded data back to the CPU (for audio this isn't /that/ bad depending... probably not worth getting a vorbis decoder on chip, but maybe a theora decoder) Aug 05 20:36:47 unknown_lamer: if this could be done for audio too, it'd be really nice. Aug 05 20:37:09 naturally ... I bet the wolfson codec had some input somewhere that could have been used... Aug 05 20:37:31 unknown_lamer: I'd guess it'd be a digital audio out Aug 05 20:38:36 how do I lock the screen in ASU? Aug 05 20:38:52 lollydays: Tap the AUX button :) Aug 05 20:39:00 leinir: it's not doing anything Aug 05 20:39:06 SpeedEvil: the 3362 data sheet says it doesn't have audio out anyway Aug 05 20:39:25 lollydays: That's what did it when i used it :) Aug 05 20:40:15 leinir, i know that's the way it was the last time I flashed a week or so ago but today's image won't lock for me Aug 05 20:40:22 SpeedEvil: see schematics: Aug 05 20:40:30 nor will it let me iwlist scan Aug 05 20:40:33 Right, then no idea, sorry :) Aug 05 20:40:54 i hope this isn't a problem when they release on the 8th Aug 05 20:40:56 SpeedEvil: see schematics: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/GTA02/Schematics_Freerunner-GTA02_A5-A7cumulative_public_RC0.pdf Aug 05 20:41:18 glamo audio out NC Aug 05 20:41:22 if I type "iwlist eth0 scan" my fr always return resource temporarely unavailable for the current FSO image. is this normal? Aug 05 20:41:28 jOERG_rw: I assumed. Aug 05 20:41:38 wof_, same problem with ASU Aug 05 20:41:49 ok, thank lollydays Aug 05 20:41:55 jOERG_rw: and aside: Funky! Aug 05 20:42:19 hm. need to set a black background in the terminal... Aug 05 20:42:35 Does anyone know where ASU stores its contact db? I want to update to the newest ASU, but keep my contacts/groups from my current build. Aug 05 20:42:51 irc is semi-unreadable this wa Aug 05 20:42:54 y Aug 05 20:43:39 w00t! Schematics! Aug 05 20:43:43 hi! quick: how do I shutdown today's ASU? It's not answering to power button press, like older one did. Aug 05 20:43:45 and also utf8 Aug 05 20:43:50 mmontour: where? Aug 05 20:44:02 * SpeedEvil points at jOERG_rw's last message. Aug 05 20:44:07 * mmontour does a happy dance Aug 05 20:44:12 LionKMP: same problem! Damn, ASU felt better to me almost 2 weeks ago Aug 05 20:44:19 LionKMP: terminall or ssh, "halt" Aug 05 20:44:31 Wonka: terminal? where? Aug 05 20:44:40 LionKMP: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/GTA02/Schematics_Freerunner-GTA02_A5-A7cumulative_public_RC0.pdf (posted just before you joined the channel) Aug 05 20:44:41 didn't know ASU has a terminal (by default?) Aug 05 20:44:50 LionKMP: it doesn't Aug 05 20:44:51 Lion: i had that problem once after a long suspend....i just took the battery out and when i put it back in both buttons were responding again Aug 05 20:45:13 I installed vte and it works well as a terminal in ASU Aug 05 20:45:16 Pyrasi: ah, yes, I think I had that too, but in 2007.2, wasnt it? Aug 05 20:45:25 openmoko-terminal2 works well as well Aug 05 20:45:44 no....it happened to me in ASU....which is why id assume it is a kernel problem Aug 05 20:45:46 it's a bummer they didn't put a terminal in there i think... and cut off the usb-net by default Aug 05 20:45:50 on wakeup from suspend Aug 05 20:45:57 i'm pretty much stuck waiting till they put it back in Aug 05 20:46:11 El_Senator, they cut off the usb-net? Aug 05 20:46:16 it's there Aug 05 20:46:18 mmontour: thanks, downloading. do you think I should add that to Download wiki page? I just finished a 2 hours long edit on that. Aug 05 20:46:19 El_Senator, you sure it's not just the u-boot issue? Aug 05 20:46:19 but as a module Aug 05 20:46:33 I guess the URL will change :) Aug 05 20:46:35 and since i can't get in contact with it, i can't add it :D Aug 05 20:46:35 El_Senator: flash an old version of the kernel, install the usb networking package, and then flash the new kernel back Aug 05 20:46:47 LionKMP: nope! Steve will do that Aug 05 20:46:49 Pyrasi: hmm... yeah, that's a good idea Aug 05 20:46:54 Thats what i did Aug 05 20:46:54 jOERG_rw: ok :) sorry Aug 05 20:47:01 Pyrasi: do you know when they modularized it? Aug 05 20:47:17 yea....August 1st it was on the mailing lists Aug 05 20:47:24 community mailing list that is Aug 05 20:47:24 thanks Aug 05 20:48:05 lollydays, i cant even use the network over the usb link.. Aug 05 20:48:27 LionKMP: at least please wait till Steve had his big show at the linuxworld press conference or whatever hey planned Aug 05 20:48:30 tshuder, I guess I can't either :) Aug 05 20:48:52 isn't the full release on the 8th? seems like a lot of people are having difficulties with ASU Aug 05 20:48:53 jOERG_rw: yep, ok, sorry, I just joined, didn't know what stage this is in. :) Aug 05 20:48:59 jOERG_rw: GTA01? /me feels slightly guilty for asking. Aug 05 20:49:19 SpeedEvil: will be added next days Aug 05 20:49:37 Woo! :) Aug 05 20:49:44 Many thanks. Aug 05 20:49:49 does anyone know where ASU stores it's contact db? I'd like to make a backup of it before i upgrade to the new asu. Aug 05 20:49:51 just about to pimp it up and clean the calypso out :-/ Aug 05 20:50:16 Pyrasi, i think it's an sqlite db somewhere Aug 05 20:50:18 Pyrasi, somerhere in the .edb dir i guess Aug 05 20:50:20 jOERG_rw: Add a large box with 'Here be dragons' on it. Aug 05 20:50:57 there's a addressbook importer in /opt/Qtopia/bin, but i'm not sure if that lets you output Aug 05 20:51:00 Pyrasi, if the usb-net isn't loaded anymore. why can i connect via ssh to the neo? Aug 05 20:52:20 usb-net moved from kernel to module. You have to update your modules (prior to updating kernel), like you always had to... Aug 05 20:52:21 tschuder: I'm not sure. You have your resolv.conf file set up and everything? Aug 05 20:52:44 oh....make sure to depmod after you install usb-net Aug 05 20:53:00 yup Aug 05 20:54:39 Pyrasi, the /etc/reslov.conf file is there. but i guess its not needed to ping 192.168.0.200 Aug 05 20:55:07 there is no usb-net module loaded (but to see that i had to connect to the neo, so this works..) Aug 05 20:55:28 set your nameserver in that file to an openDNS ip and see if it works then. Aug 05 20:56:02 hiya, could someone knowledgeable add a wiki page explaining what "scardy cat" is / means? It's confusing me and perhaps I'm not alone. Thanks. can't see anything there already. Aug 05 20:56:13 tim_abell: it's hte persons nickname. Aug 05 20:56:24 btw, if anyone is looking for a good car mount for the freerunner, I got this one the other day http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=140255015595&Category=20336 and it fits the freerunner very well....i can still access all the buttons/ports on it while it is mounted. Aug 05 20:56:37 you mean as in the user who doesn't want bleeding edge? Aug 05 20:57:18 Pyrasi, what do you mean with an openDNS ip? Aug 05 20:57:57 ok, now i've been browsing around for a pre-modularized kernel image, but they all seem to have been removed. Does anyone have a pre-1st aug. kernel uImage lying around the net? Aug 05 20:58:01 tschuder: try 208.67.220.220 Aug 05 20:59:14 openDNS is a publicly accessable and trusted DNS server. (www.opendns.com).....i just tell my freerunner to put that as its nameserver whenever it connects via usb. Aug 05 20:59:26 El_Senator: IIRC there was a move of some stuff to .../obsolete or sth like that Aug 05 20:59:36 * SpeedEvil ponders the resistor packs all connected to the glamo camera bus. Aug 05 20:59:50 Pyrasi, same result. I've used the same nameserver as on my desktop machine Aug 05 20:59:56 jOERG_rw: i'll check that out, thanks Aug 05 21:00:09 Pyrasi, i can't even kill -9 the ping tasks Aug 05 21:00:32 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2 <---- this is the new ASU image right? Aug 05 21:00:51 ajbrun: no Aug 05 21:00:53 ajbrun, no. look for the one with qtopia Aug 05 21:00:54 ajbrun: no, that's 2007.2 GTK image Aug 05 21:01:00 grab the qtopia one Aug 05 21:01:05 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#Openmoko_2008.8_images_.28ASU.29 Aug 05 21:01:17 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 Aug 05 21:01:18 aww, ( becomaes .28 in URL. Aug 05 21:01:24 k - i was just curious to give one a try :p Aug 05 21:01:39 Latest stable Om 2008.8 release: coming soon. Aug 05 21:01:42 that's good news Aug 05 21:01:49 yeah, aug 8th Aug 05 21:01:51 any idea when? I heard 8.8.08 mentioned Aug 05 21:01:52 ah Aug 05 21:01:55 nice :P Aug 05 21:01:58 tschuder: hmm...not sure then. Aug 05 21:03:26 LionKMP - that seems to take me to the same link? Aug 05 21:03:50 nm - me being daft Aug 05 21:03:53 * Kero sees a pyyaml upgrade scrolling by for make fso-image (good, it was broken a few days ago) Aug 05 21:03:55 yes. Aug 05 21:11:27 Pyrasi, i guess I've found the error, there is no iptables comman on the host. (but ping should be possible as well..) Aug 05 21:13:06 how's the 2008.8 image look? Aug 05 21:13:53 LionKMP: probably the schematics will move to downloads next day, so no use in pointing to my drawer right now Aug 05 21:14:18 hello, i'm trying to construct my tar excludes, and I can't find out what /sys is for. could someone enlighten me please? Aug 05 21:15:06 [sysfs] Aug 05 21:15:26 ~[sysfs] Aug 05 21:15:40 hmmm Aug 05 21:16:23 ...but now zhone_git fails to build... Aug 05 21:16:27 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sysfs Aug 05 21:16:28 * tim_abell rtfm's ah, i see. nice one jOERG_rw Aug 05 21:16:46 i have used linux before, honest Aug 05 21:17:26 i'd seen it was mounted to sysfs, but didn't make the leap Aug 05 21:17:57 where did the scripts for autoconnect-to-any-open-wlan go? Aug 05 21:18:31 n8! Aug 05 21:22:03 iwlist returns a maximun quality of 55/94 even if i put my phone beside my AP, is there a bur or it is just an inaqurate level? Aug 05 21:24:55 anyone know how i can get a keyboard button in 2007.2 image like this: http://atariland.net/~dreilly/openmoko/keyboard1.png Aug 05 21:25:06 (the small button in the upper right corner) Aug 05 21:27:16 Zorkman: Add the keyboard applet to matchbox-session Aug 05 21:27:25 there is a list of applets in there Aug 05 21:27:40 I think instructions are on Switching Keyboards on the wiki Aug 05 21:28:05 i did opkg install matchbox-keyboard-applet .... Aug 05 21:29:04 i'll try to check everything again Aug 05 21:30:54 aggtrfrad: don't expect stuff to be meaningful. Aug 05 21:39:13 Zorkman: opkg install matchbox-keyboard-applet Aug 05 21:40:03 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r7fa7f0954219 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [openmoko] Switch the distro into release mode Aug 05 21:40:03 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8748002614e6 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [opk] Fix the image files that passed IPKG_ARGS Aug 05 21:40:04 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * reeed508c7395 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [openmoko] Put tcpdump, gdb and lsof into the feed Aug 05 21:40:05 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra811cd51aade 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-enable-debug.bb: [qtopia-phone] Add a package for assassin to enable debug output Aug 05 21:40:08 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rf7b8cc9710d0 10/packages/openmoko-projects/openmoko-community-repository.bb: [openmoko] Fix the feed configuration Aug 05 21:41:14 anyone accomplished tethering the FR's wifi? Aug 05 21:41:38 rooly: tether? Aug 05 21:42:15 as in use the FR or the 1973 as a modem or wireless antenna Aug 05 21:42:39 I got it, it was a problem with my terminal window being to small (using nano) when editing /etc/matchbox/session it made a new line and then it wouldn't show Aug 05 21:43:27 rooly: wifi works fine for me Aug 05 21:43:34 no no no Aug 05 21:43:45 i mean forward the FR's internet to another machine over usb Aug 05 21:43:47 he means using the FR wifi to get internet on the host Aug 05 21:44:13 rooly: ah, that should be trivial Aug 05 21:44:17 right Aug 05 21:44:19 rooly: just setup ip_forward and routing Aug 05 21:44:22 but has anyone accomplished it Aug 05 21:44:37 i can test tomorrow if you remind me Aug 05 21:44:44 ok, i'll remind you Aug 05 21:44:48 but i don't see why it possibly couldn't work Aug 05 21:44:56 i agree Aug 05 21:45:15 and ubuntu already sees the usb connection as a wired network Aug 05 21:45:47 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r50b34832480c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Qtopia upgrade, some reverts, some more modem initialisation and PIN dialog work Aug 05 21:46:09 now, has anyone worked on a bluetooth gui, or will i have to do that Aug 05 21:46:19 scardeycat has one Aug 05 21:46:27 i use it to connect to my bluetooth keyboard Aug 05 21:46:31 works quite well Aug 05 21:47:37 I've used my 1973's gprs from a laptop, but I did some creative ssh forwarding instead of routing since I didn't have iptables on hand there... Aug 05 21:47:47 yeah do the usb_networking wiki page backwards Aug 05 21:48:10 Zorkman: opkg install matchbox-keyboard-applett Aug 05 21:48:22 Pyrasi: you used scaredy's gui to set up bt keyboard? Aug 05 21:48:40 a laptop wihtout a wifi card? what is this 1990? Aug 05 21:48:48 if anyone is looking for a good external and portable keyboard...i would recommend an iGo/Think Outside bluetooth one....it folds out to a nice bluetooth keyboard and even has a holder to hold your freerunner up Aug 05 21:49:07 yes...i believe thats what he intended it to be used for ;) Aug 05 21:49:09 i want one of those frog pad bluetooth keyboards Aug 05 21:49:24 kd8ikt, my laptop's wifi seems to consistently die with the network i'm on right now Aug 05 21:49:28 and i have no idea why Aug 05 21:49:30 i have an apple wireless (bt) keyboard that works great but i have to manually set it up Aug 05 21:49:35 so, in case i need it, i might like to use it Aug 05 21:49:36 i wonder if the gui would work by now. Aug 05 21:50:02 Pyrasi, what's that bluetooth app called? Aug 05 21:51:13 kd8ikt, could be useful for a random need to get a _desktop_ wifi-connected Aug 05 21:51:40 it happens... Aug 05 21:51:44 yupyup Aug 05 21:51:54 http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7416/71701203936911zb6.jpg is the keyboard i have. I'll get a link to the bt app in a sec Aug 05 21:52:11 oh but that's sexy Aug 05 21:55:26 http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/app_btkb/?root=scutil Aug 05 21:55:33 thats his bluetooth app Aug 05 21:56:28 just throw the btkb file into your /usr/bin/, the bluetooth-kb.desktop into /usr/share/applications/ and the png into /usr/share/pixmaps Aug 05 21:56:57 kk Aug 05 21:57:51 oh...and make sure the btkb file has execute permissions Aug 05 22:00:26 make an ipkg Aug 05 22:01:40 its super easy Aug 05 22:02:25 install the toolchain and nano /usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin/om-make-ipkg < /bin/sh script and read the wiki page about making packages Aug 05 22:02:27 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r569df9e61d5f 10/conf/machine/om-gta01.conf: [om-gta01] make sure g-ether is in image Aug 05 22:02:28 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r41ddebf640cc 10/conf/machine/om-gta02.conf: [om-gta02] we have large flash so load all modules Aug 05 22:02:29 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rce5060ed5c96 10/packages/tasks/task-base.bb: [task-base] increment PR after modules changes Aug 05 22:02:29 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r31f029c23e84 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Stable kernel upgrade. g-ether is now a module, beware Aug 05 22:02:32 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rf9db7b5f9dc7 10/packages/openmoko-projects/openmoko-community-repository.bb: [openmoko] Fix the feed configuration Aug 05 22:02:35 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rf9786c722249 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Qtopia upgrade, some reverts, some more modem initialisation and PIN dialog work Aug 05 22:02:38 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r01517980e319 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-enable-debug.bb: [qtopia-phone] Add a package for assassin to enable debug output Aug 05 22:03:20 its only for a keyboard? Aug 05 22:03:47 still Aug 05 22:03:50 torpor: i replied to your mail regarding the keyboard Aug 05 22:04:19 Zorkman: whats the solution? Aug 05 22:04:33 i think i got it sorta sorted out .. but the keyboard appears to be smaller than it should. Aug 05 22:04:43 just opkg install the things, not using the supplied *.ipk's in the file Aug 05 22:05:03 hmm.... mine appears ok... Aug 05 22:05:44 yeah okay i did that but i still get a much smaller keyboard than the one shown in the screenshots. Aug 05 22:06:13 mine is about 40% of the screen (guess) Aug 05 22:06:48 mine is like the screenshots...i didn't do anything special.. Aug 05 22:07:11 lol, one hint though: Aug 05 22:07:20 do not let your screen get locked :) Aug 05 22:07:26 oh why is that? Aug 05 22:07:28 the keyboard stays up and you can't unlock it :) Aug 05 22:07:33 oh shit. Aug 05 22:07:36 yeah :) Aug 05 22:07:57 so remember to hide the keyboard before locking, or not locking at all :) Aug 05 22:07:57 how do you suggest that you "don't let your screen get locked?" Aug 05 22:08:12 Hey I just got my openmoko today, and I am wondering if it is possible to connect to the openmoko via bluetooth... Aug 05 22:08:13 it locks unless power management is completely disabled Aug 05 22:08:20 koenigjm, it sure is Aug 05 22:08:24 weatherhead: long press powerbutton --> powermanagment: no powermanagment Aug 05 22:08:25 but it takes quite a bit of work Aug 05 22:08:31 Zorkman: yes I know that Aug 05 22:08:36 don't use "dim, don't lock" because it doesn't work, it also locks :) Aug 05 22:08:42 but "dim only, no lock" should mean "dim only, don't lock" Aug 05 22:08:44 :-) Aug 05 22:09:03 oh, that was polite Aug 05 22:09:06 is there a guide you can point me at? or is there an easy way I can edit my networking files so I don't have to try to figure how to use vi on the touch screen? :P Aug 05 22:09:10 actually, if your follow the matchbox keyboard install manual, it's fairly painless to install and set as the default Aug 05 22:09:22 and when it's the default it hides when the screen locks Aug 05 22:09:43 the default one hides? Aug 05 22:09:50 last time i used it Aug 05 22:09:54 or should I upgrade to qtopia and hop for a nice applet? Aug 05 22:10:07 koenigjm: qtopia FTW !! Aug 05 22:10:18 the ASU isn't really stable yet though, you could try the qtopia.net images Aug 05 22:10:20 yeah, so qtopia is better then the default? Aug 05 22:10:34 qtopia is a better phone for sure Aug 05 22:10:36 "dim only, don't lock" does work differently than the other one - it does not suspend Aug 05 22:10:38 qtopia.net can practically be used as a daily phone with a few fairly major quirks Aug 05 22:10:46 koenigjm: depends; at the moment it doesn't have gps for example (i think) Aug 05 22:10:49 but still, i want something that doesn't lock Aug 05 22:10:53 yes, well i should then say "dim, lock but don't suspend" Aug 05 22:10:57 and there should be a fourth option Aug 05 22:11:00 ack Aug 05 22:11:12 and also, i want "suspend now" additionally Aug 05 22:11:19 anybody know if there is a bug report for this? Aug 05 22:11:27 yes, or at least "lock now" Aug 05 22:11:33 that actually works properly Aug 05 22:11:36 frankly, #666 bites me most, atm Aug 05 22:11:41 which is that Aug 05 22:11:48 3g sim problem Aug 05 22:12:09 oh Aug 05 22:12:55 are there any gui ipkg package managers? Aug 05 22:13:11 asassin? Aug 05 22:13:19 * Wonka does not use such things Aug 05 22:13:22 hmm Aug 05 22:13:27 so now that i have bluetooth connected... Aug 05 22:13:30 what do i do with it Aug 05 22:13:38 dance naked Aug 05 22:13:53 and film it Aug 05 22:14:01 on the openmoko's camera Aug 05 22:14:07 eeuhm... you comming out of the closet donomo? Aug 05 22:14:26 Zorkman: rooly is a fairly gender neutral nick. Aug 05 22:14:26 yup, cause it's camera has so many MP's of image quality, now doesn't it Aug 05 22:14:30 i currently use gprs over bluetooth on my other cellphone... Aug 05 22:14:31 its Aug 05 22:14:38 Wonka: that would be it I think :) Aug 05 22:14:42 * rooly sighs Aug 05 22:14:49 you know, this is the only place i've ever been called a girl Aug 05 22:14:50 * tdobson investigates Aug 05 22:15:02 thats because opnemoko has so many female fans Aug 05 22:15:05 aside, of course, from the football squad Aug 05 22:15:09 you girl Aug 05 22:15:13 i admit it: i only bought one to get at the chicks... Aug 05 22:15:13 rooly: lol Aug 05 22:15:29 rooly: whiny girl! Aug 05 22:15:29 Zorkman: it hasnt worked for me so far Aug 05 22:15:37 same... Aug 05 22:15:42 but all the guys say it's awesome Aug 05 22:15:46 so...yeah Aug 05 22:15:52 * rooly starts hiding his phone Aug 05 22:16:11 donomo: there was actually one girl who was genuinly interested :) Aug 05 22:16:27 meh, i live far away from any computer-literate girls Aug 05 22:16:37 there are only 20 or so in my college right now Aug 05 22:16:49 and 1000 or so comp-sci majors alltogether Aug 05 22:16:56 20 girls? or 20 computer-literate girls? Aug 05 22:17:02 20 comp-sci girls Aug 05 22:17:07 aka 20 computer literate ones Aug 05 22:17:15 i'll be sure to bag and tag all of them tho Aug 05 22:17:19 i disagree Aug 05 22:17:23 com sci major =/= computer literate Aug 05 22:17:30 kelvie: ack Aug 05 22:17:32 s/com sci/comp sci/ Aug 05 22:17:32 kelvie meant: comp sci major =/= computer literate Aug 05 22:17:35 mi friend studies arts, so you don't have to be comp-sci to like the freerunner :) Aug 05 22:17:45 i know Aug 05 22:17:48 rooly: one hopes that CS major -> computer literate Aug 05 22:17:51 it is a bad-ass looking little phone Aug 05 22:17:55 I had two girls interested in my freerunner the other day Aug 05 22:18:01 But my wife the former psych major can use Windows better than I can. Aug 05 22:18:06 lol Aug 05 22:18:16 my mom is getting to be able to use windows better than me Aug 05 22:18:19 * dingman doesn't do Windows Aug 05 22:18:22 but then, i haven't used windows in 4 years Aug 05 22:18:22 dingman: i _know_ that conclusion doesn't hold. Aug 05 22:18:26 my mum can use windows better than I can, but I've been using linux and OSX solely for 6 years Aug 05 22:18:33 I haven't used windows in 6 years .. hehe Aug 05 22:18:42 * Zorkman is on windows now :p Aug 05 22:18:43 * rooly snickers at the windows users Aug 05 22:18:46 Wonka: hence the word "hopes" :( Aug 05 22:18:48 I actually was trying to install a network card in a windows 2000 machine this morning Aug 05 22:18:51 you guys have to fight with your oss phone! Aug 05 22:18:51 couldn't do it... Aug 05 22:18:52 lol Aug 05 22:19:03 (an ex girlfriend of mine was on a quiz on tv, and couldn't get my video card to run in linux :)) Aug 05 22:19:17 by video card i meant tv card Aug 05 22:19:26 i haven't used windows for more than 4 years and still need to help my parents with it, who use it daily Aug 05 22:19:39 * rooly tires of fixing windows Aug 05 22:19:53 the same happens to me, Wonka, but i show them my disgust each time Aug 05 22:19:54 win2k is not that bad Aug 05 22:19:57 * Zorkman Zorkman is only recently learning how to fix linux :) Aug 05 22:20:12 the /me part is so your name appears first already, Zorkman Aug 05 22:20:17 regarding nic installs Aug 05 22:20:18 booting and not getting a video-output is tiresome :) Aug 05 22:20:19 yes, I think 2k pro is the most stable OS they have released Aug 05 22:20:23 except maybe windows 3.1 Aug 05 22:20:27 lol Aug 05 22:20:30 ok Aug 05 22:20:32 FSO is an interesting setup. Python bindings to Evolution and DBus. Aug 05 22:20:33 enough windows bashing Aug 05 22:20:40 i'm looking forward to how they do with windows 7 Aug 05 22:20:45 no, I'm serious, I still have an original 6 floppy volume with 3.1 Aug 05 22:20:46 (because i'll have to fix it less) Aug 05 22:21:01 weatherhead: me too Aug 05 22:21:07 weatherhead, you should iso them all and put it on the internet Aug 05 22:21:09 weatherhead: and ms-dos 6.22 Aug 05 22:21:18 i betcha windows 3.1 couldn't run on any of today's hardware Aug 05 22:21:27 weatherhead: also ms-dos 5.0, and ms-dos 3.2 on 5.25"-floppy Aug 05 22:21:29 I have them as virtualbox images :D Aug 05 22:21:37 that works too Aug 05 22:21:55 rooly: as long as the gpu does VGA... Aug 05 22:22:04 does that bluetooth app cover headsets? Aug 05 22:22:44 ChanServ is upset Aug 05 22:22:51 aww Aug 05 22:23:20 hey, anyone wanna see me kill 2 or 3 connections? Aug 05 22:23:28 has anybody ever tried drawing ChanServ or NickServ ? Aug 05 22:23:55 what do you mean rooly? Aug 05 22:24:07 CVirus: you hang first. Aug 05 22:24:21 Zorkman, i mean using DCC SEND morethan14characters Aug 05 22:24:39 didn't know that killed a connetion Aug 05 22:24:45 lol Aug 05 22:24:52 only some Aug 05 22:25:02 ugly routers and/or irc clients Aug 05 22:25:18 Good Evening all Aug 05 22:25:22 hiya IguanaNed Aug 05 22:25:33 llo Aug 05 22:25:55 Trying to locate ASU image for my freerunner Aug 05 22:26:06 tar / == slooow. yawn Aug 05 22:26:07 then you can stop right now :) Aug 05 22:26:22 no images? Aug 05 22:26:24 right now there are no asu images on the buildhost Aug 05 22:26:37 that would explain it Aug 05 22:26:44 everything from before aug has been removed Aug 05 22:26:55 expect one @08/08 Aug 05 22:27:14 anyway, i'm off Aug 05 22:27:20 cyall Aug 05 22:27:37 so Aug 05 22:27:42 how's pidin on the phone Aug 05 22:28:09 rooly: it's good Aug 05 22:29:25 jamesb Aug 05 22:29:36 nm Aug 05 22:29:54 hrm, perhaps i should have gzipped on the host and not the phone Aug 05 22:31:46 btw, guys, adding shutdown and restart icons to the app menu is wise Aug 05 22:32:18 fsck Aug 05 22:32:20 IguanaNed, Zorkman: I found a daily with the right naming convention for ASU in today's dailies. Aug 05 22:32:23 unless you accidentaly hit one Aug 05 22:32:51 something has got to be done about the menu slides Aug 05 22:37:23 dingman wherabouts? Aug 05 22:38:30 someone mentioned pidgin on freerunner Aug 05 22:38:39 i did Aug 05 22:38:50 im using it Aug 05 22:39:15 i'm waiting for it to connect Aug 05 22:39:21 oy vey Aug 05 22:39:29 so far my wifi script works better than any gui made yet Aug 05 22:39:42 right. enough multi tap Aug 05 22:40:27 rooly: I'm swearing by lint-wifi atm, but if you are happily online with ipv4 and dns then :) Aug 05 22:40:43 anyone here running om2008.8? Aug 05 22:40:54 there's a 2008.8? Aug 05 22:40:57 * rooly looks Aug 05 22:41:17 pidgin would be better if we customised it a bit.... ok it would be better if we customised it *a lot* but a few tweaks would make a ton of difference Aug 05 22:41:35 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8 Aug 05 22:42:15 already there Aug 05 22:42:15 IguanaNed: I'm running 2007.2 but I'm looking at upgrading. Aug 05 22:42:26 is that the qtopia or the combined image Aug 05 22:42:32 at the moment I'm pretty happy with 2007 so I might give it a few days. Aug 05 22:43:01 combined Aug 05 22:43:05 * rooly is tired of the buggy interface, but doesn't want to lose his contacts Aug 05 22:44:23 alright, i'll ask it in the normal way Aug 05 22:44:27 how do i export my contacts Aug 05 22:44:38 "It launched on August 08, 2008. " - despite the past tense I assume that means its due for release on the 8th... Aug 05 22:45:01 2/3 days... Aug 05 22:45:27 how about SHR? Aug 05 22:47:49 so right Aug 05 22:47:53 there are already releases Aug 05 22:48:03 hmm, where to get replacement casies for the phones ? one of the mibles just broke, Aug 05 22:48:15 what's a mible Aug 05 22:48:30 eh nible Aug 05 22:48:42 your trying to confuse me more, aren't you Aug 05 22:49:10 "download.openmoko.org could not be found" is that right? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Support#Download Aug 05 22:49:16 * ronny takes a photo Aug 05 22:50:24 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rfc9de0b64caa 10/conf/machine/om-gta02.conf: [om-gta02] Do not generate yaffs2 due size issues Aug 05 22:50:31 should probably be "downloads" rather than "download" Aug 05 22:51:07 arrr, that's better. will fix Aug 05 22:51:09 thanks Aug 05 22:51:33 * rooly sighs Aug 05 22:51:49 mmontour, any links on exporting contacts to vcard so's i can get them back after i wipe my phone Aug 05 22:52:02 no idea. Aug 05 22:52:49 Im nreally confused as to what to what to run on my FR Aug 05 22:53:16 ... in what way. Aug 05 22:53:16 rooly what are you running ? Aug 05 22:53:22 om2007.2 Aug 05 22:53:25 * tdobson is running 2007.2 Aug 05 22:53:41 ah was goign to say I have done with qtopia Aug 05 22:53:56 * rooly will need to recompile his 3d lib Aug 05 22:54:17 does the qtopia phone server update the time? Aug 05 22:54:59 hmm, anyone knows a registration-free image upload service ? Aug 05 22:55:09 ronny: yes. Aug 05 22:55:11 hold on Aug 05 22:55:37 http://bayimg.com Aug 05 22:55:39 4chan.org Aug 05 22:55:50 www.dump.no Aug 05 22:56:02 don't use it for anything you value and it's a lil bit dodgy but not as much as the rest :P Aug 05 22:57:40 * rooly is stealing ritz chips Aug 05 22:57:56 http://bayimg.com/eAKMCaABB <- ok, thats what broke, where to get replacements ;P Aug 05 22:58:30 ronny: I don't think you can. Aug 05 22:58:43 contact the openmoko people Aug 05 22:58:44 ronny: or I've not found a way to get spare cases. Aug 05 22:58:47 duct tape Aug 05 22:58:48 they may be accomadating Aug 05 22:59:23 i want a clear case Aug 05 22:59:23 'I have broken my neo case, and I think I'll break the next 9' can you ship me 10 new cases? Aug 05 22:59:26 of course, you might always get the RTFM answer, since there's an "open up your moko" or whatever guide Aug 05 22:59:49 wow Aug 05 22:59:56 that could make for some interesting entendre Aug 05 23:00:03 * rooly whips out his moko Aug 05 23:00:21 * rooly opens his moko Aug 05 23:00:22 woohoo Aug 05 23:00:33 you whipped out a booger? Aug 05 23:00:34 anyone wana see my moko? Aug 05 23:00:42 rooly: not really Aug 05 23:00:48 I assume it's the same as mine Aug 05 23:00:56 mine's bigger Aug 05 23:00:58 I could be wrong Aug 05 23:01:05 only one tuesdays, undrwater Aug 05 23:01:18 :) Aug 05 23:01:28 undrwater: mines bigger when I see your mum/sister/grandmother/etc Aug 05 23:01:49 mine is bigger when i see your /usr/share/pixmaps! Aug 05 23:01:49 :p Aug 05 23:01:59 there seems to be a mistake in the distro-defaults package Aug 05 23:02:07 or rather in the opkg config files it contains Aug 05 23:02:12 oh.. Aug 05 23:02:18 * rooly writes down all his contacts Aug 05 23:02:40 or not? *confused* Aug 05 23:02:49 hmmm Aug 05 23:03:20 trying to boot from SD...kernel stuck at "Freeing init memory: 128k Aug 05 23:03:51 rooly, how about http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup Aug 05 23:03:52 is there still not sane pim based sync to pim-suites on a pc (like syncml) ? Aug 05 23:03:53 theres an entry fic-gta02-feed.conf, but that directory fic-gta02 doesnt exist on the buildhost Aug 05 23:04:03 i added a /home/root backup to that page Aug 05 23:04:16 and i think your contacts are in /home/root/.evolution Aug 05 23:04:16 * undrwater waits for anyone to answer ronny's question Aug 05 23:04:56 meh Aug 05 23:04:59 i'll do it the hard way Aug 05 23:05:07 everyone needs to type every once in a while Aug 05 23:05:19 hahhahha Aug 05 23:05:28 anyone know how to view the cad files with linux? Aug 05 23:05:48 blender won't? Aug 05 23:06:22 hello people Aug 05 23:06:37 undrwater: you want to do serious producŧ design with blender ? Aug 05 23:06:40 ronny: there's something in the wiki about importing from vcard Aug 05 23:06:46 opkg update .... remove /usr/lib/libvte.so.9.2.13 failed: No such file or directory. should i be afraid? Aug 05 23:06:51 I don't know about exporting Aug 05 23:06:58 upgrade, rather Aug 05 23:07:02 importing from vcard is hardly a proper sync with a pc Aug 05 23:07:02 they might all be in .contacts or something Aug 05 23:07:31 someone will make a proper evolution contact sync Aug 05 23:07:35 weatherhead: someone asked how to view..not design Aug 05 23:07:39 heh ok Aug 05 23:07:54 try qcad Aug 05 23:07:58 and freecad Aug 05 23:08:02 qcad is 2d only Aug 05 23:08:06 orly? Aug 05 23:08:09 didn't know Aug 05 23:08:17 there's a 3rd linux cad solution, but i don't remember it Aug 05 23:08:25 brlcad Aug 05 23:08:33 but I've never got it to do anything useful Aug 05 23:08:58 mmmm Aug 05 23:08:59 ritz chips Aug 05 23:09:02 * rooly wins Aug 05 23:10:15 wait, there is evolution on the moko, and noone added a sync component? Aug 05 23:10:29 (or do i just plain missunderstand now) Aug 05 23:10:31 ronny: no evolution, but the data is stored in evolution format afaik Aug 05 23:10:47 non-current evolution format Aug 05 23:11:10 non-current as in old? Aug 05 23:11:29 does the fr turn off or somehow else disable the wlan chip if there's no traffic? Aug 05 23:11:35 ronny: not sure...it's in the wiki...mentions that the data is in different format Aug 05 23:11:46 godamnt bluetooth is a pain in the ass. Aug 05 23:11:58 Tanuva: don't think so. Aug 05 23:12:02 undrwater: can you point me? im overseeing this Aug 05 23:13:06 ronny: hang on Aug 05 23:13:17 morning Aug 05 23:16:07 undrwater: i just found the PIM_Storage page by accident ^^' Aug 05 23:16:51 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts Aug 05 23:17:11 hi ajehals Aug 05 23:17:12 FreeRunner uses Evolution data server (eds) to save contacts. However, the specific version used differs from what is probably used on your desktop (if you have Evolution installed). Aug 05 23:17:29 fancy meeting you here. Aug 05 23:17:32 hmm Aug 05 23:18:05 what are people using to get email on the phone? if anything Aug 05 23:18:05 tdobson - cant figure out what the ui is looking for to display a keyboard... Aug 05 23:18:38 have you got one installed? Aug 05 23:18:56 haha, the wireless is pretty poor on this. My FR is literally on top of my router and iwlist scan results 68/94 Aug 05 23:19:07 tdobson - yeah, Aug 05 23:19:12 /dev/ttySAC1 IS the gps device on fr, isn't it?! Aug 05 23:19:15 break_free: do not expect numbers to reflect reality Aug 05 23:19:17 Tanuva: yes Aug 05 23:19:24 Tanuva: gotta turn it on first Aug 05 23:19:42 break_free: 68 may just be the maximum possible with the circuit configuration - it means nothing. Aug 05 23:19:51 ah Aug 05 23:20:01 tdobson - although not whatever is packaged as openmoko-keyboard - seems to be missing from the repository I am using... Aug 05 23:20:05 SpeedEvil: the strange thing is: tangogps and zhone can perfectly read gps data from it (as it seems), but gpsd doesn't start although /etc/defaults/gpsd is linked to /dev/ttySAC1... Aug 05 23:20:28 SpeedEvil: gpsd complains about it not being a gps device Aug 05 23:20:45 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards # may help Aug 05 23:20:53 but navit needs gpsd to get some signal :/ Aug 05 23:20:56 Tanuva: what does cat /dev/ttySAC1 say? Aug 05 23:21:07 nothing, cat terminates silently Aug 05 23:21:22 what does fuser /dev/ttySAC1 show? Aug 05 23:21:37 any pointers for this? root@om-gta02:~# opkg install openmoko-browser2 Aug 05 23:21:37 Segmentation fault Aug 05 23:22:17 add -V3 to see more debug output Aug 05 23:22:53 Moo--: you have internet? Aug 05 23:23:03 it pings to google Aug 05 23:23:14 cool...and you've done opkg update? Aug 05 23:24:13 well Aug 05 23:24:19 root@om-gta02:~# opkg update Aug 05 23:24:19 *** glibc detected *** opkg: free(): invalid next size (normal): 0x00026190 *** Aug 05 23:24:20 SpeedEvil: sorry for the delay, just got to change back from (unstable) wlan-ssh to usb-ssh Aug 05 23:24:22 Aborted Aug 05 23:24:47 it does not matter whether I install or update it segfaults/memory corrupts Aug 05 23:24:54 ajehals: I can only get the default keyboard to work myself, so you may need to use that... Aug 05 23:24:56 i have free memory Aug 05 23:25:56 SpeedEvil: fuser /dev/ttySAC1 tells me "1351" (gps chip should be turned off atm according to zhone) Aug 05 23:26:05 tdobson - the issue is that I dont get an osk unless I specifically launch one, i.e. taping into a terminal - it does nothing Aug 05 23:26:28 also I have a keyboard panel aplet that does nothing either.. Aug 05 23:26:44 ajehals: that's the same for me though :) Aug 05 23:26:54 tdobson - it'll be my fault, but I cant quite tell where to start Aug 05 23:26:55 have you tried the multitap keybaord though... Aug 05 23:27:04 ajehals: this is om. unlikely Aug 05 23:27:05 nope Aug 05 23:27:14 ajehals: try and get it Aug 05 23:27:19 What is it called? Aug 05 23:27:29 it's listed on that page Aug 05 23:27:32 it's the default Aug 05 23:27:42 it's multitap-keyboard or something Aug 05 23:30:22 hi all! I'm having no sound on the Freerunner during calls (and I can't seem to figure out how to fix via the mixer) Aug 05 23:31:34 * tdobson doesn't know much about the sound Aug 05 23:31:44 Infoport: have you tired rebooting it Aug 05 23:32:28 it has been rebooted many times. I think it *may* have happened after trying to get better Mic2 volume using Wiki directions to save the states Aug 05 23:34:41 ok, "Amp Spk" seems to be at 00 and doesn't want to change (checked it because of Wiki saying to zero it for headphones) Aug 05 23:39:33 maybe "Amp Spk" is just a switch and not a level-- it only seems to want to be mute (MM) or on (00) Aug 05 23:41:00 I'm using the "normal" 2007.2 system, upgraded by opkg Aug 05 23:41:59 amp spk is the speaker amp on or off Aug 05 23:42:02 it's a power switch Aug 05 23:42:53 SpeedEvil: any idea about the gpsd device thing? Aug 05 23:42:59 ok, then it isn't that-- I have it on. Still, no sound received or sent from my end on a call now (worked originally) Aug 05 23:43:10 tdobson - I think I need to look at a more recent repo Aug 05 23:43:21 Tanuva: does fuser show any users of /dev/ttySAC1 Aug 05 23:43:39 SpeedEvil: it shows 1351, whatever that means... :/ Aug 05 23:43:54 Tanuva: that means process 1351 is using the gp Aug 05 23:43:55 s Aug 05 23:43:59 ps 1351 Aug 05 23:44:08 ah. thats the frameworkd Aug 05 23:48:41 so yeah Aug 05 23:48:48 updating the om2008.8.5 Aug 05 23:48:54 ajehals: are you arm4? Aug 05 23:49:07 tdobson - sorted - although I have just upgraded prettymuch everything Aug 05 23:49:13 ajehals: cool Aug 05 23:53:02 ajehals: what exactly are you running? Aug 05 23:53:59 morning all Aug 05 23:54:16 tdobson - actually maybe not Aug 05 23:56:48 tdobson - what do you mean? Aug 05 23:58:15 ajehals: distro Aug 05 23:59:02 tdobson - Angstrom Aug 05 23:59:40 if you are arm4 can you add the openmoko repositories...? Aug 05 23:59:43 ajehals: opie or gpe? Aug 06 00:00:02 undrwater: he's trying to run openmoko I understand Aug 06 00:00:15 openmoko! Aug 06 00:00:25 ajehals: what device? Aug 06 00:00:32 hx4700 Aug 06 00:00:38 coolio! Aug 06 00:00:43 no issues with the OS as such, or packages, I think its a conf issue Aug 06 00:01:04 I can launch a keyboard from a terminal (well via ssh using -display-0:0 Aug 06 00:01:10 ) Aug 06 00:01:19 SpeedEvil: I stopped frameworkd, but gpsd still dies with the same error message: http://rafb.net/p/vzXhLO53.html Aug 06 00:01:21 but cant do it on the Aug 06 00:01:26 PDA through the GUI Aug 06 00:01:39 ahhh...have you checked the wiki on changing keyboard? Aug 06 00:01:49 I thought I had.... Aug 06 00:02:03 I'll do that again though.. Aug 06 00:02:06 Tanuva: what about cat? Aug 06 00:02:28 SpeedEvil: says nothing Aug 06 00:02:54 Tanuva: it shouldhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_GPS Aug 06 00:03:26 ah, one moment - would be a good idea to enable it before cat'ing I guess... Aug 06 00:04:08 ok Aug 06 00:04:09 so Aug 06 00:04:15 om2008.8 is beautiful so far Aug 06 00:04:16 ajehals: what was your process to get openmoko on the HTC? i want to try to put it on one of my zauruses Aug 06 00:04:21 except i can't get ssh access Aug 06 00:04:32 * rooly|away remembers he didn' tupdate the kernel Aug 06 00:04:39 i can't get ssh for ASU either Aug 06 00:04:58 rooly|away: tricky to move to? Aug 06 00:04:58 is there something special that needs to be done to configure DNS? I finally got connected to my wifi and it populated the nameserver entries in resolv.conf Aug 06 00:05:02 openmoko: 03zecke * r4589 10/developers/zecke/root-password/ (. GNUmakefile README root-password.c): Aug 06 00:05:02 openmoko: [root-password] First attempt at a small utility to set the root password Aug 06 00:05:02 openmoko: Small Gtk+ app to set the root password. Not yet tested. Aug 06 00:05:05 but I can't ping by DNS :S Aug 06 00:05:21 tdobson, no, not really Aug 06 00:05:31 usb 5-2: device not accepting address 19, error -71 Aug 06 00:05:45 SpeedEvil: hmm. now it IS enabled, but still doesn't give any output... Aug 06 00:05:58 undrwater - Angstrom have packages, so flash with a minimal image and then install the relevent packages... obviously you need to get rid of things that relate to hardware you dont have (gsmd / gps etc..) but thats all... Aug 06 00:06:18 Tanuva: odd Aug 06 00:06:28 grr Aug 06 00:06:28 yep Aug 06 00:06:28 Tanuva: sorry - going to sleep now. Aug 06 00:06:35 how does one ssh into the om2008.8... Aug 06 00:06:40 SpeedEvil: g'night :) Aug 06 00:06:57 undrwater - I use a SDG bootloader to boot off a CF so its moderatley easy to switch OS (or dual boot) Aug 06 00:07:45 are the daily qtopia images considered ASU? Aug 06 00:07:49 or are they different? Aug 06 00:08:04 koenigjm: Aug 06 00:08:04 asu != qtopia Aug 06 00:08:04 all the images from buildhost.openmoko.org are ASU Aug 06 00:08:15 how are you connected? Aug 06 00:08:17 for actual "qtopia" images you want qtopia.net Aug 06 00:08:28 WPA2 encrypted network Aug 06 00:08:35 and via usb for my ssh access :) Aug 06 00:08:35 usb? Aug 06 00:08:46 logout usb and login to wifi ip Aug 06 00:09:02 so Aug 06 00:09:05 *ok even Aug 06 00:09:08 right, but i want what is the asu version Aug 06 00:09:09 koenigjm: have you tried the wifi guis..... - I had dns issues and stuff but the guis seems to have resolve most of the pain Aug 06 00:09:22 so would i need to get the daily qtopia image? Aug 06 00:09:50 also might want to ifconfig usb0 when in if you still cant ping google Aug 06 00:10:00 tkep: the ASU images are anything you get from buildhost labelled "qtopia" Aug 06 00:10:14 thanks :) Aug 06 00:10:23 while true qtopia is from gtopia.net Aug 06 00:10:58 tdobson - I'm going to give up for now I think- I'm guessing its a version problem... and at least I have a keyboard for now... although I cant boot into a different OS if I want it to stay there.... Aug 06 00:12:15 sure enough! thanks kd8! Aug 06 00:12:32 at least now I can update and install some apps :) Aug 06 00:12:47 ajehals: heh. ok. the ASU http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko2008.8 - may be of interst at some point Aug 06 00:14:40 tdobson - cheers. Aug 06 00:16:21 openmoko: 03zecke * r4590 10/developers/zecke/root-password/root-password.c: Aug 06 00:16:21 openmoko: [root-password] Put the label + entry into a table and everything aligns nicely Aug 06 00:16:21 openmoko: Make the alignment of the two rows look sane. Aug 06 00:16:45 how I can prevent suspending/sleep? Aug 06 00:16:51 does anybody know if the issue with broken USB networking after upgrade has been fixed? I have upgraded since then and didn't see a problem, so I want to know if I still need the manual steps for the kernel modules Aug 06 00:19:44 There has been a Wiki entry in "getting Started" that references an Aug-2 thread on broken ether over USB Aug 06 00:38:22 what has my neo got against my home wifi?! Aug 06 00:40:11 it doesnt like you Aug 06 00:40:26 tdobson - OK reboot and now 100% functional - and yes, it be very quick Aug 06 00:40:39 perhaps my home router is from the dark side Aug 06 00:41:02 ajehals: bah. you and your big CPUs/screens etc. Aug 06 00:41:41 tim_abell: are you using one of the gui's Aug 06 00:42:07 been trying both mofi and lint. don't have enough details for ask for proper help yet Aug 06 00:42:21 mostly they seem to hang. works fine at work, annoyingly Aug 06 00:42:41 mofi hangs for me Aug 06 00:42:48 lint seems better in general Aug 06 00:42:52 oh good, i'm not alone Aug 06 00:43:28 tim_abell: well mofi hangs 19/20. lint works 15/20. in my experience Aug 06 00:43:51 how do you add apps to the menu so you can start them from the UI? Aug 06 00:43:54 tdobson - heh, what I need now is a decent ebook reader (that isnt fbreader) where I can turn pages by flicking the screen... Aug 06 00:44:07 haha Aug 06 00:44:15 ajehals: let me know if you find one. Aug 06 00:44:46 tdobson - I'll almost bet that att none exists :/ Aug 06 00:45:03 pjz: something to do with .desktop's # are you assking from a end user or dev perspective. Aug 06 00:45:17 ajehals: modify one :P Aug 06 00:45:23 ;) Aug 06 00:45:39 That sounds hard.... Aug 06 00:45:44 where the hell is the terminal in the om2008.8 Aug 06 00:45:49 but maybe. Aug 06 00:46:14 ajehals: possibly. I don't know how it works and what would be needed Aug 06 00:46:18 anyway. Aug 06 00:46:22 * tdobson -> bed Aug 06 00:46:38 that makes a segfault, tdobson Aug 06 00:47:44 rooly how's 2008.8 look Aug 06 00:47:44 ajehals: did I leave my headset thingy at your house when I came over? you haven't seen it have you? Aug 06 00:48:02 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rde2ae6fb5473 10/packages/openmoko-tools/app-restarter_svn.bb: [app-restarter] Add X11 to the dependencies. Aug 06 00:48:02 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5c03d90c4741 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [openmoko] Add a Gtk+ utility to set the root password Aug 06 00:48:03 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r79e463566fb8 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko] Add the Qtopia debug helper and root password utility Aug 06 00:48:03 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra3b8a40fc842 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu.bb: [openmoko] Add the matchbox-keyboard-im gtk+ modules for keyboard input Aug 06 00:48:45 tdobson - dont think so, But I will have a look Aug 06 00:48:55 hey Aug 06 00:49:06 don't worry massively. it will turn up. but thatnks anyway. :) Aug 06 00:49:17 feydreva: hi Aug 06 00:49:19 * tdobson beds Aug 06 00:49:46 * ajehals wasn't worried Aug 06 00:52:36 I am running latest fso, and have imported contacts from sim. Can someone tell me where those are stored as I want to back up to desktop via usbnet Aug 06 00:53:10 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rc40dda990d39 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade assassin to avoid packagekitd races Aug 06 00:53:10 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * red930c7c7102 10/packages/openmoko-tools/app-restarter_svn.bb: [app-restarter] Add X11 to the dependencies. Aug 06 00:53:11 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rad6f7e8de52f 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [openmoko] Add a Gtk+ utility to set the root password Aug 06 00:53:12 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re6ac61df5e71 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko] Add the Qtopia debug helper and root password utility Aug 06 00:53:15 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r5252d7977370 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu.bb: [openmoko] Add the matchbox-keyboard-im gtk+ modules for keyboard input Aug 06 00:54:38 tdobson: I dunno, both maybe; I want to install lint-wifi so the icon will show up Aug 06 00:56:08 hipitihop: i think gsmd is what reads it look into http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd Aug 06 00:57:10 kd8ikt, will do thanks. Aug 06 00:57:21 kd8ikt, how do i connect to a wifi network in om2008.8 Aug 06 00:57:51 same as you would with any linux computer? Aug 06 00:58:00 meh Aug 06 00:58:03 can't get to a terminal Aug 06 00:58:08 ssh in Aug 06 00:58:41 can't seem to do that either Aug 06 00:59:14 hold on let me boot into the "new" ASU crap and find out Aug 06 00:59:44 off to reboot and search for the volume controls that don't let me hear calls! Aug 06 01:00:09 btw, om2008.8...it has profile controls Aug 06 01:00:12 is there a lst of repositories? the last update killed my package lists, so i cant upgrade to get new ones :\ Aug 06 01:00:33 mental note: do nor remove the card openmoko is booting from halfway through the boot sequence... Aug 06 01:02:43 Dumb question: would it be possible to yank all the good bits out of the Android SDK and run them on the Linux kernel of a FreeRunner? Aug 06 01:03:17 maybe Aug 06 01:03:27 with enough effort... Aug 06 01:03:40 and a recoding of the api itself Aug 06 01:03:57 Pjz. did you use the package? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Lint-wifi Aug 06 01:04:27 It'd be interesting to check it out Aug 06 01:04:37 Would it really be necessary to recode the API? Aug 06 01:04:50 probably not the entire thing Aug 06 01:05:21 Pjz if you didn't install from package or it doesn't make any difference or makes things worse, try the instructions here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Lint-wifi&oldid=44632 Aug 06 01:05:30 apparently not all of it is Open Source Aug 06 01:05:35 Which, like, FAIL Aug 06 01:05:50 Pjz: if that doesn't work ask again, and someone else may be able to help. I'm going to bed now :) Aug 06 01:05:54 * kgoetz tries to write a new set of package feeds Aug 06 01:08:11 * kgoetz swtiches to scardycat Aug 06 01:08:42 w00t. command line to the rescue. manual config and my home wireless is now connected. finally Aug 06 01:08:51 and i didn't even have to recompile anything Aug 06 01:09:06 i wish i had the time to work on the wireless guis Aug 06 01:09:55 help! I still can't hear anything over pohone with my Freerunner-- may have been after I followed Wiki to save states Aug 06 01:10:09 no i'm not, because i still get errors. fksk :( Aug 06 01:10:21 are there any imap clients available? Aug 06 01:11:48 kd8ikt, gsmd doesn't apear to be used in the fso stack but then I'm bit of a linuxnoob so possibly looking in wrong places Aug 06 01:11:49 tim_abell: ASU has qtmail Aug 06 01:12:29 i'm a little unsure what's involved in this asu thing Aug 06 01:12:51 i've been opkg upgrading my phone, but do i need to do more than that to get asu? Aug 06 01:13:33 ASU requires you to reflash the root file system. (ASU hasn't been officially 'released' yet). Aug 06 01:14:45 hmm, think i'll not tackle that tonight Aug 06 01:14:55 perhaps on sat when i have a day to myself Aug 06 01:15:03 thanks for your help there Aug 06 01:15:11 I just got done updating, and now when I run opkg update I get some strange urls: Aug 06 01:15:11 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all/Packages.gz Aug 06 01:15:27 I take it I will need to go in and fix the repos by hand? Aug 06 01:15:36 i spent 2 hours on the phone to 02 to get this kinda support for the gf's nokia Aug 06 01:17:06 hmm...then they all fail :S Aug 06 01:18:20 is there a way I can restore the opkg repo files to what they were? Aug 06 01:20:21 koenigjm: wget the feed configs ipk from http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/updates/ Aug 06 01:20:30 then opkg install from the downloaded file Aug 06 01:21:20 that will point them to the fso updates feed, however, that moves much more slowly than the daily feeds. Aug 06 01:22:43 gta02 ones, yes? Aug 06 01:23:06 koenigjm, yes you need to fix them by hand.,.. Aug 06 01:24:51 or do I need both the gta01 and gta02? Aug 06 01:24:59 koenigjm, there is the one I use : http://paste.uni.cc/19214 Aug 06 01:25:11 for gta02 Aug 06 01:27:48 then just opkg install ? Aug 06 01:28:22 * rather Aug 06 01:29:58 feydreva: you've got quite a mixed bag of feeds there. Aug 06 01:30:29 hello Aug 06 01:30:34 rwhitby, yeah :) bit I got the most recent stuff.. I got wifi-radar for exemple, that is noce.. Aug 06 01:30:54 rwhitby, opkg will take the most recent package anyway :) Aug 06 01:30:59 uh oh. root@om-gta02:~# opkg update ... Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all/Packages.gz Aug 06 01:31:00 hmm.. the ringer is also very quiet, but I can hear it in the right ear with the earphones. still can't hear any talking on Freerunner. Aug 06 01:31:01 how are you doing feydreva Aug 06 01:31:09 thanks for the links last night man Aug 06 01:31:19 brian|lfs, goo and yourself ? :) you r welcome.. I m still sharing this links today :) Aug 06 01:31:37 I still can't seem to get any internet from my sim card still Aug 06 01:31:47 but the wifi works fine Aug 06 01:32:13 hum.. for the sim card.. there was some link today about how to do it with Tmobile.. I haven;t try yet.. Aug 06 01:32:19 I called AT&T today becuase I had no voice may from when they did a sim swap Aug 06 01:32:47 mail Aug 06 01:33:28 I had to give them the imei off the opnmoko so they could add it to their system Aug 06 01:33:42 :) Aug 06 01:33:56 they want to be able to track you down .. :) Aug 06 01:34:02 lol Aug 06 01:34:13 can't they do that with the SIM card Aug 06 01:34:14 lol Aug 06 01:34:16 whew i'm cutting it close now trying for a quad boot with just 512mSD Aug 06 01:34:32 lol Aug 06 01:34:52 the imei number is unique per phone.... so they know who is using the phone.. and if authotities says, this phone, with this emei number has probelms with the justice.. they can give you name this way.. Aug 06 01:35:16 I was able to make calls before, but now no sounds comes or goes from my Freerunner, even though the call connects Aug 06 01:35:33 Infoport, which root FS ? wich kernel ? Aug 06 01:35:47 yea wat he said Aug 06 01:36:19 running 2007.2 upgraded today, kernel 2.6.24 #1 Aug 06 01:36:22 I thought you told me last night feydreva that data should jsut work with the sim card I have Aug 06 01:36:26 I'm a little confused Aug 06 01:36:41 brian|lfs, hum I told you for the wifi... for the sim card, I do not know Aug 06 01:36:56 oh Aug 06 01:36:57 ok Aug 06 01:37:07 i wish my wifi would just work Aug 06 01:37:10 are they a pain to get workign most of the time Aug 06 01:37:13 people are still tssting it I think Aug 06 01:37:28 linuxxr, did you try wifi-radar ? Aug 06 01:37:35 not yet Aug 06 01:37:52 okpg install wifi-radar, with this opkg file : http://paste.uni.cc/19214 Aug 06 01:37:54 oy, seems that I am still having trouble...I try opkg install openmoko-mediaplayer2 and I get an error 2 :S Aug 06 01:37:58 u got the august roofs? Aug 06 01:38:10 hum no Aug 06 01:38:29 august Fs is planned for the 8th no ? :) Aug 06 01:38:39 according to the wiki... Aug 06 01:38:42 if I do a factory restore, will that return the OS to the out of the box state? Aug 06 01:39:18 I did try to raise the volume via alsamixer as in the Wiki, but I really don't know what might be left in there that isn't set. Or possibly from saving the .state files? Aug 06 01:39:33 koenigjm, error 2 means not found I think... what do you have in /etc/okpg/ ? inside the file ? Aug 06 01:39:52 i'm getting errors on my formatted sd card trying to mount it. is there an fschck on openmoko? Aug 06 01:40:16 feydreva I believe that the ASU fs is out there with earlier dates (like an Alpha maybe?) Aug 06 01:40:36 ls /etc/opkg : Aug 06 01:40:36 all-feed.conf armv4t-feed.conf neo1973-feed.conf Aug 06 01:40:36 arch.conf fic-gta02-feed.conf om-gta02-feed.conf Aug 06 01:40:39 Infoport, yesy maybe.. haven;t seen it.. I was looking for it too :) Aug 06 01:40:54 koenigjm, insside the file... do a more al0-feed.conf Aug 06 01:41:03 more all-feed.conf Aug 06 01:41:26 src/gz fso-all http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/updates/all Aug 06 01:41:54 the freerunner should actually boot out of the box, right ? Aug 06 01:41:59 here is a page about 2008.08 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko2008.8 Aug 06 01:42:04 spdr, yes Aug 06 01:42:14 back to the factory for my moko i guess :( Aug 06 01:42:15 Disk /dev/mmcblk0 doesn't contain a valid partition table Aug 06 01:42:17 yuck Aug 06 01:42:35 another month to re-wait :\ Aug 06 01:42:50 also, now a link under the Distributions page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Openmoko2008.8_.28ASU.2C_April.2FAugust_Software_Update.29 Aug 06 01:43:04 did you plug it in ? to power suply ? and press the poweer button for at least 8-10 seconds ??? Aug 06 01:43:12 NOTE: I have NOT tried any of those images myself yet, just found them today Aug 06 01:43:24 feydreva, yes Aug 06 01:43:31 but it loads a colorful screen Aug 06 01:43:34 looks really buggy Aug 06 01:43:39 and never gets past it :\ Aug 06 01:43:45 hurrah. un-fubar'd opkg config. thank goodness for tar backups Aug 06 01:44:16 looks like those old sega games when they get stuck :0 Aug 06 01:45:23 Feydreva: Did that all-feed.conf look right? Aug 06 01:45:48 koenigjm, i do not have FSO... Aug 06 01:45:55 koenigjm, I use the 2007.2 Aug 06 01:45:59 mine is "src/gz daily-all http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all" Aug 06 01:46:18 feydreva, any idea if its a known issue ? Aug 06 01:46:33 does anyone know why that got replaced with "my-distribution.org" in the latest update? Aug 06 01:46:38 perhaps it just got damaged in delivery .. Aug 06 01:46:54 http://paste.uni.cc/19214 that s mine.. Aug 06 01:46:57 mighty strange Aug 06 01:46:58 tim_abell: i suspect part of the build chain didnt do some substitutions Aug 06 01:47:04 ah Aug 06 01:47:06 that figures Aug 06 01:47:17 not that i'd know either way :) Aug 06 01:47:22 * kgoetz has the same thing, and is using it as an excuse to flash on debian ;) Aug 06 01:47:34 Hi guys, just got my phone today. Aug 06 01:47:34 can u get to uboot spdr? Aug 06 01:47:41 Hi. I have installed debian on my freerunner, but the touch screen is behaving strangely: Aug 06 01:47:45 spdr Aug 06 01:47:46 linuxxr, nope :( Aug 06 01:47:52 cant get anywhere :( Aug 06 01:48:01 sim in it Aug 06 01:48:06 ts_calibrate works and ts_print gives correct values, but the pointer in X is off by an factor of 1/2 Aug 06 01:48:10 cant even ssh to the thing .. witch is understandable since it wont boot :\ Aug 06 01:48:25 no cards in it right Aug 06 01:48:30 linuxxr, tried with sim, without, with sd, without, just about every combination Aug 06 01:48:41 well, openmoko was attracting a decent amount of attention at linuxworld Aug 06 01:48:43 dangit man Aug 06 01:48:53 nometa - what did u do to get ts_calibrate to actually fire up? Aug 06 01:49:25 wyze: TSLIB_CONSOLEDEVICE=none TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/dev/input/event1 ts_calibrate Aug 06 01:49:35 sweet Aug 06 01:49:44 no lights? Aug 06 01:50:13 wyze: I had to read the source to find that out, though Aug 06 01:50:34 the screen turns on with lots of colorful (blue/purpleish) pixels :\ Aug 06 01:50:53 and just freezes ... waited for it to boot ... never did Aug 06 01:50:55 I've been having some issues with opkg. I keep getting return value:2 which indicates it could not parse the config file. I've already checked to make sure the opkg.conf file is all right. Aug 06 01:52:34 i guess the battery is up Aug 06 01:53:01 maybe u get an upgraded 1 Aug 06 01:53:12 nomeata: i've had to play around with pointercal by hand and have it close, but not perfect Aug 06 01:53:22 okay, no more colorful pixels Aug 06 01:53:33 now just white and a blue thick line :\ Aug 06 01:53:54 wyze: so you had the same problem? Aug 06 01:54:00 yep Aug 06 01:54:30 wyze: can you paste me your pointercal? Aug 06 01:54:31 WHY OH WHY do i have to suffer for another 10 days until i get my FR Aug 06 01:54:51 mickey_away: could you add a -lX11 to LDOPTS in numptyphysics? I don't have mtn installed any more :-) (waiting for the flag day) Aug 06 01:54:53 wyze: and did you by chance check that the tslib input driver actually calculates with the correct orientation Aug 06 01:54:59 well u gonna suffer more after u get it Aug 06 01:55:00 anyone get a /etc/pointercal that works with landscape ? Aug 06 01:55:03 all the moko's in the world, and mine came fucked up out of the box Aug 06 01:55:31 I'm having some configuration problems with opkg. anyone have any experience with it? Aug 06 01:55:36 spdr: dont feel bad you were bound to fuck it up soon enough anyway Aug 06 01:55:46 l o l Aug 06 01:55:56 spdr: describe your symptoms in an email to andy on the kernel list - it sounds like the glamo problem he is chasing Aug 06 01:56:24 nomeata: not specifically.. i realized that there was an issue so i guesstimated the pointercal - i've had 348539450989 other things to do on the FR Aug 06 01:56:25 send spdr a turbo moko Aug 06 01:56:31 you didnt drop it in the toilet by chance have you? Aug 06 01:56:33 kd8ikt, atleast to a state i can fix it :( Aug 06 01:56:40 5 different .state files, dozens of mixer settings, and I'm not sure where is keeping my handset from having sound on a call Aug 06 01:56:41 lol hell no Aug 06 01:57:19 that WOULD be a drag Aug 06 01:57:37 rwhitby, andy? what problem did he encounter ? Aug 06 01:57:41 hey i've had friends come to me with router problems and when they showed me i laughed well no wonder you broke it, he pulls out the power cord for the one that works and jams it into the burned out one... well now i know how he broke it Aug 06 01:58:14 rwhitby, do you have the address by any chance ? Aug 06 01:58:16 this ones power supply is 5v and this ones 12... Aug 06 01:58:26 spdr: look on the kernel list for wacky racers glamo issue in the last two weeks Aug 06 01:58:29 guess what?! you burned it! Aug 06 01:58:30 back Aug 06 01:58:40 so, kd8ikt did you find out how to get to a terminal? Aug 06 01:58:41 if my sources are all set to daily, does that mean i effectively already have the asu? Aug 06 01:58:52 no i'm doing sometghing else Aug 06 01:59:21 mainly repartitioning my sd card and installing multiple builds Aug 06 01:59:27 ic Aug 06 01:59:30 yay Aug 06 01:59:34 i guess i'll have to wait 3 days Aug 06 01:59:51 3 weeks Aug 06 02:00:02 spdr: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-July/004098.html Aug 06 02:00:26 I don't mean to be a pest, but I can't install anything at all on the phone. Aug 06 02:00:55 it seems like ntpclient has disappeared from the buildhost Aug 06 02:00:56 rwhitby, just found that, thanks :) Aug 06 02:02:17 hmmm...media player doesn't seem to want to run now either, wonder if its related Aug 06 02:02:43 white screen of death sounds right Aug 06 02:02:52 but why would this happen 'out of the box' ? Aug 06 02:03:03 is it me or is buildhost a little slow for package downloads at the moment? Aug 06 02:03:05 * kd8ikt loves andy Aug 06 02:04:13 we need to chip in and throw him like 50$ each Aug 06 02:04:21 for beer Aug 06 02:04:30 spdr: it's a heisenbug as far as I can see. My GTA02 boots less than 50% of the time Aug 06 02:05:41 *coughs* Can anyone see me? Aug 06 02:06:02 rwhitby, suffering the same issue when it wont boot ? Aug 06 02:06:14 Zeroth__: no, but I can see your conversation text Aug 06 02:06:21 :) Aug 06 02:06:29 Zeroth__, actually...no Aug 06 02:07:09 heisenburg lol Aug 06 02:07:29 finally, a response. For some reason, opkg will not install anything. I did the opkg update, upgrade, now it keeps saying error return value:2, which I looked up to mean that the config file cannot be parsed. I have checked the /etc/opkg.conf file, and no issues at all. Aug 06 02:07:36 anybody know what "Speaker Playback ZC Switch" is? there is also Headphone..ZC and Mono...ZC Switch Aug 06 02:07:36 what else can I do? Aug 06 02:07:45 spdr: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-July/003916.html and http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-July/004165.html document my woes Aug 06 02:08:25 Zeroth__: /etc/opkg/*.conf 's Aug 06 02:08:58 Zeroth__: make sure you can reach the outside world from your phone - can it ping google.com? Aug 06 02:09:14 it in fact can Aug 06 02:10:01 Zeroth__: pastebin your config files Aug 06 02:10:09 working on it Aug 06 02:11:04 Willkommen zur openmoko Denkfabrik Aug 06 02:11:25 it, is me. i seem to have broken my neo's internet connection temporarily Aug 06 02:11:59 Failed to download ... error 0, could be a little more informative Aug 06 02:12:05 ho hum Aug 06 02:13:01 tim_abell: it's meant for embedded devices with tiny amounts of storage - verbose error codes take up an amazing amount of space Aug 06 02:13:37 oh right. i'm used to m$ .net & java at work ;) verboooooooose Aug 06 02:13:53 i've never had to deal with resource restrictions Aug 06 02:14:32 if you wnat real verbosity rerun the same command but put 'strace' on the commandline before it ;) Aug 06 02:14:57 bah, liberror-perl isn't built for angstrom Aug 06 02:15:08 oh, yay. i had no idea strace was available Aug 06 02:15:11 rwhitby: does opkg grok .debs ? Aug 06 02:15:19 man i need a bigger sd card Aug 06 02:15:35 kd8ikt: how big ya got? Aug 06 02:15:41 512 Aug 06 02:15:41 not that strace means a lot to me, but it sure looks cool Aug 06 02:15:51 like most everyone else here Aug 06 02:15:54 kd8ikt: yow, yeah Aug 06 02:15:58 pjz: I don't believe so Aug 06 02:16:00 here it is guys Aug 06 02:16:00 http://paste.uni.cc/19221 Aug 06 02:16:04 kd8ikt: I've got a 2Gb Aug 06 02:16:11 how big of a SD can the phone handle? Aug 06 02:16:20 lol Aug 06 02:16:29 mydistribution doesnt exist Zeroth__ Aug 06 02:16:29 Zeroth__: my-distribution.org is not a real feed Aug 06 02:16:31 Zeroth__ has just tripped over the same thing i did Aug 06 02:16:33 heh Aug 06 02:16:34 rwhitby: bah. I'm tyring to get git-svn to work; it needs liberror-perl Aug 06 02:16:38 koenigjm: microSD Aug 06 02:16:45 so... why is it there? Aug 06 02:16:48 koenigjm some people have had issues with 4G SDHC cards-- more info on Wiki Aug 06 02:17:03 and what would be the correct url? Aug 06 02:17:04 because the builder didnt put a real one there Aug 06 02:17:07 * pjz hasn't tried his 8Gb, but saw that others had good luck with it Aug 06 02:17:16 * pjz is sticking with the 2Gb for now Aug 06 02:17:17 *bangs head on keyboard* Aug 06 02:17:20 koenigjm but I think that you can use bigger cards Aug 06 02:17:40 Zeroth__, I guess it depends if you want bleeding edge or stable Aug 06 02:17:45 Zeroth__: it's a place holder. see the wiki for real URIs Aug 06 02:17:50 i think mine came configured for daily builds Aug 06 02:18:11 And the question has to be asked why the real urls couldn't have been put in in the first place? Aug 06 02:18:23 Zeroth__: for stable FSO, see http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/updates/ Aug 06 02:18:37 koenigjm I grabbed some 2G cards, no problem Aug 06 02:18:46 Zeroth__: because it's probably built from a common place that other distros use too, so no single url is correct Aug 06 02:18:55 Zeroth__: apparently they only set the feed up after the image was released Aug 06 02:19:09 http://paste.uni.cc/19222 Aug 06 02:19:12 pjz: no, it's configurable on a distro basis Aug 06 02:19:34 rwhitby: is there any kind of .deb->.ipk converter for arch-independent files? Aug 06 02:19:47 pjz: ar and tar ? Aug 06 02:20:08 rwhitby: heh. I was hoping for something like alien :) Aug 06 02:20:24 tim_abell: note that FSO is built from a different source repository than the daily feeds, so you may get strange conflicts mixing them Aug 06 02:20:43 woosh. Aug 06 02:20:46 what's fso? Aug 06 02:20:52 FSO is developed in the OpenEmbedded repo, which is only periodically synced to the OpenMoko repo that the daily feeds are built from. Aug 06 02:21:10 tim_abell: go read the Distributions page int he wiki Aug 06 02:21:49 i haven't (intentionally at least) changed the sources for opkg Aug 06 02:21:58 is it something you noticed in my config? Aug 06 02:22:30 i don't see any fso urls there, they all look like daily build ones to me Aug 06 02:22:57 * tim_abell is in over his head Aug 06 02:22:58 tim_abell: if you're running the default distro, then your feeds are correct. they may not be correct if you are running the FSO image Aug 06 02:23:08 oh, i see Aug 06 02:23:21 I believe Zeroth__ is running FSO Aug 06 02:23:25 i haven't changed anything (yet) so hopefully that's ok Aug 06 02:23:35 I just got it today, running the default image. Aug 06 02:24:04 it would make sense if Zeroth__ is running daily because I think that's where the broken opkg config came from Aug 06 02:24:37 as i did a backup, ran opkg upgrade, and it re-wrote my opkg config files to a broken version Aug 06 02:25:12 and my backups are the ones from "good" in my diff, while the "fubar" ones are the result of the opkg upgrade, if that makes sense Aug 06 02:26:14 Zeroth__: oh, ok. ignore me and use the config that tim_abell pasted Aug 06 02:26:21 :D Aug 06 02:26:39 for some reason I thought the my-distro thing was an fso bug only Aug 06 02:26:39 i'm only a n00b here Aug 06 02:27:22 whoo hoo Aug 06 02:27:25 looks like its working Aug 06 02:27:42 Thanks guys Aug 06 02:28:17 well, I found that mediaplayer wasnt starting because the card with the default path wasnt there (and mediaplayer didnt try to do without!!) The small SD card gets mediaplayer back Aug 06 02:29:45 so, which is better, the default browser, or minimo? Aug 06 02:30:53 okay cool Aug 06 02:30:59 i got to the uboot Aug 06 02:31:30 perhaps i should just flash the bitch ? Aug 06 02:31:43 rwhitby: for the record, btw, opkg groks .deb files just fine Aug 06 02:31:46 new kernel couldnt hurt Aug 06 02:31:58 kd8ikt, I'm going to try lint-wifi today on my alpha/fso , anything I should know before I do ? Aug 06 02:32:22 omg booting for the 1st time, i think Aug 06 02:32:27 yey :p Aug 06 02:34:05 hurrah, not an hour out any more :-) Aug 06 02:34:06 yea hipitihop configure /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf Aug 06 02:34:42 how long should it take to finish "registering" ? Aug 06 02:35:24 spdr_: potentially a couple minutes Aug 06 02:35:29 pjz: why's that? Aug 06 02:35:41 unless youre in a faraday cage Aug 06 02:35:55 should have full reception here Aug 06 02:36:05 oh well, i'll wait some more Aug 06 02:36:06 cjb: just my experience Aug 06 02:36:08 or the sim isnt seated Aug 06 02:36:30 How long does it take to register if you are IN a faraday cage? Aug 06 02:36:48 infinity Aug 06 02:36:50 johngay: ∞ Aug 06 02:36:51 :) Aug 06 02:37:21 if i cant access my contacts i guess thats a good sign the sim isnt seated ? Aug 06 02:37:21 spdr_ a few minutes, OR may not. If I reboot then, it registers almost instantly. Aug 06 02:37:58 omg i need a big microSDHC Aug 06 02:38:07 lets try to reboot, hoping it will boot back up Aug 06 02:38:12 :\ Aug 06 02:38:13 512MB is a tease Aug 06 02:38:34 least it wasnt 128 Aug 06 02:39:25 hrm Aug 06 02:39:25 ok Aug 06 02:39:31 i got ssh working on om20008.8 Aug 06 02:39:47 now i need to figure out how to get opkg to get the lock Aug 06 02:40:19 rooly|away: whaere is the latest asu build? Aug 06 02:40:49 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080806/ Aug 06 02:41:00 spdr_: I had to double reboot to get access to my sim contacts using 2007.2 Aug 06 02:41:03 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ Aug 06 02:41:16 kd8ikt, any ideas? Aug 06 02:41:23 is it the qtopia-x11-image-glibc one or jsut qtopia-x11-image-om? Aug 06 02:41:36 rooly: Try exitting the package manager (assassin) and wait 5 minutes ( I don't kno wwhy i have to wait 5 minutes, but I do) Aug 06 02:41:56 openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02 Aug 06 02:42:02 one that says qtopia Aug 06 02:42:05 =ASU Aug 06 02:42:08 hmm, crap. Aug 06 02:42:18 kd8ikt: tehy both say qtopia lol Aug 06 02:42:23 getting An error occured, return value: 2 when trying to install python :/ Aug 06 02:42:43 get a .summary or tgz depending if youre gonna flash it or bootfrom sd Aug 06 02:43:21 i have to say, one of the most rediculous things about 2007.2 is that the display lock doesn't ock the display (disabling the touchscreen), which makes the FR unpractical for carrying in a pocket :/ Aug 06 02:43:25 it wouldnt suprise me if they are linked ie the same if you md5sum em Aug 06 02:43:39 wyze: agreed Aug 06 02:43:52 battery = toast ina few hours Aug 06 02:43:59 * pjz nods Aug 06 02:44:26 thanks for the Info pjz Aug 06 02:44:48 damn, its 5:45 am here, bad time to get the damn thing working :\\ Aug 06 02:46:02 i wonder if it would help to add a swap to my sdcard Aug 06 02:46:31 sparq, that makes me feel better, it's only 3.46 here Aug 06 02:46:35 oops Aug 06 02:46:37 spdr_, Aug 06 02:47:15 kd8ikt: i thought about it, but the idea died after recalling all of the sd cards i killed while running swap on my htc's :/ Aug 06 02:47:40 hrm. updated, and now the sms app won't load. bah. Aug 06 02:47:45 * nullpuppy tries rebooting again. Aug 06 02:49:30 dunno why everyones hard up on opkg updating its not like some great new feature is being added each time Aug 06 02:49:46 if it wokrs dont fix it Aug 06 02:49:53 kd8ikt: i do it every few days. Aug 06 02:49:57 has anyone managed to build gpe-sketchbook ? Aug 06 02:49:59 hehe tim_abell, where u from ? Aug 06 02:50:04 kd8ikt: well, there are some things that don't work right ;) Aug 06 02:50:05 uk ? Aug 06 02:50:13 such as contact list is incomplete Aug 06 02:50:20 bah, no svn in angstrom distro Aug 06 02:50:42 kd8ikt: what is the repo for the latest asu build so opkg will work? Aug 06 02:50:52 kd8ikt: an actually, waht started this was i was trying to install python, and i couldn't, told me to opkg update, so i did ;) Aug 06 02:51:23 pjz: have you tried 'subversion'? Aug 06 02:51:31 update and upgrade are different Aug 06 02:51:42 * nullpuppy nods Aug 06 02:51:45 i know that Aug 06 02:51:47 retracile: looked for it in 'opkg list' but didn't find it Aug 06 02:52:07 ok, has anyone located where sms are actually stored on the phone? ;) Aug 06 02:52:18 http://www.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=rg411ll&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=16&iwloc=addr Aug 06 02:52:23 more or less Aug 06 02:52:34 retracile: nullpuppy they're potentially on your sim card Aug 06 02:52:39 er, oops Aug 06 02:52:47 heh :) Aug 06 02:52:48 pjz: hrm, alright Aug 06 02:52:48 nullpuppy: they're potentially on your sim card Aug 06 02:53:22 tim_abell, cool, i used to live in Egham Aug 06 02:53:45 and where are you hailing from now? Aug 06 02:53:58 rooly|away: what is the repo for the latest asu build so opkg will work? Aug 06 02:54:00 cos i don't recall egham being in a different timezone Aug 06 02:54:13 unless the planet's expanded a bit Aug 06 02:54:17 :) Aug 06 02:55:16 pjz: hm. bitbake subversion finds it, but the build fails for me. Aug 06 02:55:23 i don't know yet Aug 06 02:55:27 i'm working on it SirBob1701 Aug 06 02:55:33 tim_abell, i live in Israel now :P Aug 06 02:55:41 rooly|away: ok anything i can do to give you a hand? Aug 06 02:55:44 gosh Aug 06 02:55:47 retracile: is there a libsvn-perl package? Aug 06 02:55:58 bit warmer. it's done nothing but rain here today Aug 06 02:55:59 erm Aug 06 02:56:01 pray? Aug 06 02:56:04 haha Aug 06 02:56:07 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CommunityRepository#How_to_release_packages Aug 06 02:56:32 rain? really? in 3 more hours im going to start melting here :0 Aug 06 02:56:41 pjz: not that I see, but that means little more than nothing. ;) Aug 06 02:56:47 lol Aug 06 02:57:27 yeah, got drenched on my cycle to work this morning. full waterproofs. might as well have gone swimming. cleared up a bit this afternoon Aug 06 02:58:12 rooly|away: hmm don't think that will help much Aug 06 02:58:51 heh, i dont miss that too much :) Aug 06 02:58:54 right, i really better hit the sack now. thanks all. it's great to be around at the start of something so exciting. Aug 06 02:58:58 tim_abell: around here you end up swimming in your own sweat if you try to cycle to work Aug 06 02:59:21 lol, i'm off to try the mountains in barcelona soon, that should be a bit more like that Aug 06 02:59:28 tim_abell: it's been 39ish lately Aug 06 02:59:34 ouch Aug 06 02:59:57 where are you pjz? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 06 03:00:02 2008