**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 06 03:00:02 2008 Aug 06 03:00:09 yeah. mornings are only 27-28ish though Aug 06 03:00:15 tim_abell: Austin, Texas Aug 06 03:00:15 nuts. 4 hours sleep left Aug 06 03:00:25 cool. amazing thing irc Aug 06 03:00:30 * pjz nods Aug 06 03:00:37 time to flash Aug 06 03:00:51 and not a lulz, leet or troll in sight Aug 06 03:01:14 :LOLZ OMGWTFBBQ Aug 06 03:01:21 anyways, have a nice evening / morning / day / night all Aug 06 03:01:28 bking bling Aug 06 03:01:29 tim_abell: g'night Aug 06 03:01:42 ty, good nigh Aug 06 03:02:13 ah, its segfaulting. awesome. Aug 06 03:02:37 lol Aug 06 03:04:04 rooly|away: try http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/ Aug 06 03:04:23 trying it Aug 06 03:04:35 rooly|away: where is the .conf for opkg? Aug 06 03:04:42 /etc/opkg Aug 06 03:05:12 nullpuppy: what's segfaulting? Aug 06 03:05:19 pjz: openmoko-messages Aug 06 03:05:24 nullpuppy: ah Aug 06 03:05:43 nullpuppy: hey you tried to bitbake svn, what failed on you? I just tird and had probs with apr-util Aug 06 03:07:04 ls Aug 06 03:07:06 err shit Aug 06 03:07:19 pjz: i haven't in a long while... Aug 06 03:07:37 nullpuppy: oh, thought you'd tried a few mins ago. nevermind :) Aug 06 03:07:47 * nullpuppy has been too busy with work crap to actually get anything interesting done, much less play with bitbake Aug 06 03:07:55 nope, i ran opkg update/upgrade Aug 06 03:08:04 and it broke stuff ;) Aug 06 03:08:11 ah well, i live for this stuff. Aug 06 03:08:31 huh Aug 06 03:08:39 rooly|away: i'm updating now i'll tell you if it screws stuff up Aug 06 03:09:00 got some message from 129 and looks like the contents of said message is cme error: 100 Aug 06 03:09:03 wtf? Aug 06 03:10:44 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07specs * r7bc17c4b25b0 10/ophone/ (3 files): Added ophone specs Aug 06 03:10:46 is 2008.08 any good ? Aug 06 03:11:04 or should i stick with 2007 ? Aug 06 03:13:38 not yet, sparq Aug 06 03:13:41 spdr_, Aug 06 03:13:46 i'm working on making it work Aug 06 03:13:52 rooly|away: looks to be working for me how about you? Aug 06 03:13:59 had to redo all my repo's Aug 06 03:14:07 o Aug 06 03:14:16 :0 Aug 06 03:14:22 spdr_, depends what you want, I've looked at the Qtopia stack and currently running bleeding edge FSO Aug 06 03:14:36 tbh, it looks and runs amazingly Aug 06 03:15:14 rooly, is that 2008.8 ? how does it compare to fso Aug 06 03:15:25 it's beautiful Aug 06 03:15:27 the phone works Aug 06 03:15:30 * pjz keeps qtopia in flash for actual use and FSOm2 on SD card to do dev on Aug 06 03:15:30 ... Aug 06 03:15:48 mines getting weird menu errors in text editing Aug 06 03:16:11 is there a changelog of sorts anywhere for what changed between 2007.2 and 2008.8? Aug 06 03:16:19 rooly, more beautiful then FSO ? Aug 06 03:16:40 haven't seen fso yet Aug 06 03:17:01 hipitihop|away: has same wallpaper. which i think is ugly lol Aug 06 03:17:17 ok, managed to boost the ringer sound in headphones, but not on phone. still no sound to/from Freerunner Aug 06 03:17:41 SirBob1701, ?? Aug 06 03:18:11 that under sea shit Aug 06 03:18:19 hah, so the current FRs being shipped have the gps hardware fix done by hand... even melted the case slightly Aug 06 03:18:43 ieatlint: thats gotta be great for sales Aug 06 03:18:55 well, it's under the battery Aug 06 03:18:59 nice time for a recall Aug 06 03:19:00 so not exactly an eye sore Aug 06 03:19:44 * rooly|away has already gotten 2 programs "installed" Aug 06 03:19:44 I wouldnt mind the gsm/SIM hardware fix, although the soft patch seems to do ok too Aug 06 03:19:58 SirBob1701, aah I see, yes agree... look and feels is very personal and I certainly like the transparency and other goodies in FSO Aug 06 03:20:32 haven't tried 2008 yet, but fso II was a bust, qtopia is by far the most mature Aug 06 03:20:48 qtopia phone, om2007.2's ease Aug 06 03:20:52 Help! can anyone tell me where to fix my sound problem? (no sound in calls) Aug 06 03:20:58 besides, not sure sales are much of an issue, considering they're sold out with many people trying to buy them Aug 06 03:21:26 how many did they make? Aug 06 03:21:32 i've no idea Aug 06 03:21:34 500, 50? Aug 06 03:21:48 my oder number was over 2000 Aug 06 03:21:55 order number Aug 06 03:22:06 no offense to anyone here form qtopia but I think the default look is toyish or kiddie, FSO II looks better. But agree that qtopia has more functionality and completeness at this point Aug 06 03:22:09 and I ordered on July 4th Aug 06 03:22:13 yeah, but that doesn'T cover 10 packs which got 1 order number, and the fact that a lot were shipped to resellers Aug 06 03:22:19 anyone have good GSM connectivity FSO milestone2? Aug 06 03:22:39 odds are the total is in excess of 10k Aug 06 03:22:58 MadTBone, I've had no problems Aug 06 03:23:03 ieatlint myguess <5000 Aug 06 03:23:10 hipitihop|away: which carrier? Aug 06 03:23:22 oh definitely much more than 2000-- that's prob just how many single order by July4 via openmoko.com Aug 06 03:23:30 I'm in aus, essentially vodaphone Aug 06 03:23:47 my word Aug 06 03:23:59 om2008's package manager gui looks beautiful Aug 06 03:24:21 rooly|away: is there an image? or did you build it yourself? Aug 06 03:24:22 rooly, have screenshots up anywhere ? Aug 06 03:24:25 rooly screen shot that biatch! Aug 06 03:24:41 rooly|away: what kernel you running? Aug 06 03:24:54 hipitihop|away: Is that 900 or 850mHz? Aug 06 03:25:18 i'm feeling frustratedly excited about this phone Aug 06 03:25:21 another big jump of QT a package manager Aug 06 03:25:29 SirBob1701, the one from the image repo Aug 06 03:25:37 undrwater: I've been feeling that way since December 2006 Aug 06 03:26:34 pjz: yes...but now it's in hands...when i saw the software that was on the phone when it shipped, i was a tad disappointed Aug 06 03:26:46 underwater that is EXACTLY the feeling you keep having for a while (I was so excited for my GPS antenna the post office let me wait for the driver to return to station with my package) Aug 06 03:26:51 a tad, yes Aug 06 03:26:52 looking at the stuff coming down the pike...wow Aug 06 03:26:55 undrwater: dude you had to KNOW that the software was going to bite Aug 06 03:27:08 * rooly|away will have to recompile his 3d lib Aug 06 03:27:39 pjz: i knew it...but i still expected a bit better...once i started messing with it, i got happier Aug 06 03:27:42 The FR best Christmas present you can play with NOW! Aug 06 03:27:44 underwater still I put bunches of apps on my phone just following the Wiki (Getting Started) Aug 06 03:28:15 undrwater: I got happier once I found the angstrom distro and put vim and git directly on my phone Aug 06 03:28:16 and when the wife caught it in my hands asleep... Aug 06 03:28:33 ..so I can do python dev straight on the phone now :) Aug 06 03:28:43 oh, btw Aug 06 03:28:46 I have only had to poke around a little that wasn't already covered on the Wiki (needs a little more organizing still) Aug 06 03:28:57 pjz: i've been playing with angstrom for a while on zaurus...left a sour taste in my mouth...not their fault tho Aug 06 03:29:02 om2008's keyboard input kicks the ass out of the matchbox one Aug 06 03:29:21 it's comparable to the iphone, except it doesn't press the wrong button as often Aug 06 03:29:25 rooly how is the 0m2008 keyboard different? Aug 06 03:29:27 undrwater: yeah, I read a little about that Aug 06 03:29:40 rooly screens or it didn't happen Aug 06 03:29:47 i'm upgrading damnit! Aug 06 03:29:58 does it predictively make certain keys bigger? Aug 06 03:30:14 Infoport: wow...that'd be awesome Aug 06 03:30:24 ah well, gnite all Aug 06 03:30:25 or eliminate unnecessary keys Aug 06 03:30:28 when you press on a key, it zooms the key in Aug 06 03:30:32 night pjz Aug 06 03:30:42 and there's enough space between them to use with your fingers if your patient Aug 06 03:32:06 * sparq peers at irssi, peers at tim_abell, wanders off to dinner Aug 06 03:32:10 rooly|away: is it using exposure? Aug 06 03:32:17 rooly|away: you using the august 6 or august 5th one? Aug 06 03:32:18 yes Aug 06 03:32:21 5th Aug 06 03:32:24 undrwater: that was one method discussed on the mailing lists, but I dont know if it went anywhere Aug 06 03:32:28 but apparently, i'm upgrading the 6th Aug 06 03:32:33 rooly|away: don't update the 6th is fed up Aug 06 03:32:35 lol Aug 06 03:32:38 at least for me Aug 06 03:33:11 MadTBone, sorry away... I think we are 900 here Aug 06 03:33:17 Infoport: i can't remember where i saw that before...worked really Aug 06 03:33:21 ..well Aug 06 03:33:25 iirc Aug 06 03:33:29 rooly enough space for FINGERS? wow! matchbox barely has enough for a stylus Aug 06 03:33:53 i miss the dictonary lookup asu had at begining of july Aug 06 03:34:24 * undrwater is waiting for calendar sync and book reader to ditch treo Aug 06 03:34:45 hmm...it would be nice if the phone worked too Aug 06 03:35:13 Infoport, if you are patient Aug 06 03:35:19 so one of the images had numpty physics... Aug 06 03:35:26 i'd never seen that game before Aug 06 03:35:37 oh Aug 06 03:35:41 and the phone part works Aug 06 03:35:42 I really like the keyboard in fso, looks small but perfectly usable with fingers Aug 06 03:35:43 did i mention that Aug 06 03:36:11 you can actually hear Aug 06 03:36:14 hipitihop|away: i think it's the same one...where you have options for default | numbers | and console? Aug 06 03:37:11 if I could hear phone again, that *would* be a bonus! Aug 06 03:37:26 * rooly|away suggest to not update until thursday Aug 06 03:37:29 *friday Aug 06 03:37:48 blah Aug 06 03:37:51 The Wiki mentions a "Debug Tool" with "Sound Profiles", but I don't see it in applications...anybody know what to call it for an install? Aug 06 03:37:54 so yeah, my phone wont charge Aug 06 03:38:00 aww, daMaestro Aug 06 03:38:01 i need to buy another battery i suppose Aug 06 03:38:03 usb? Aug 06 03:38:15 rooly|away, even using the shipped AC charger Aug 06 03:38:18 ic Aug 06 03:38:20 battery Aug 06 03:38:22 or socket Aug 06 03:38:23 it boots with it plugged in Aug 06 03:38:29 but wont charge Aug 06 03:38:37 which is really, really lame Aug 06 03:38:41 agreed Aug 06 03:38:47 daMaestro the "spares kit" gives you two more batteries Aug 06 03:38:58 yeah, well... seeing as how this hardware is brand new Aug 06 03:38:58 * rooly|away bought a car socket the other day and burnt his car's power port fuse Aug 06 03:39:02 it's still lame Aug 06 03:39:15 it's sat on my desk for weeks Aug 06 03:39:19 where is the page with suggested bluetooth keyboards? Aug 06 03:39:27 and then *bam* it refuses to charge Aug 06 03:39:39 daMaestro, my charging INDICATOR often just shows the bolt-symbol while charging, until I plug/unplug again or something Aug 06 03:39:42 daMaestro, how long have you had this!? Aug 06 03:39:54 rooly|away, it's the freerunner Aug 06 03:40:00 mm hmm? Aug 06 03:40:02 i just have not had time to work with it Aug 06 03:40:03 undrwater, yes and terminal .. with that zoom feature if you hover/hold on a key Aug 06 03:40:13 omfg Aug 06 03:40:15 the news is on Aug 06 03:40:32 doctors want parents to moniter their children's cholesterol Aug 06 03:40:37 ... Aug 06 03:40:55 monitor their mcdonald's intake Aug 06 03:41:08 * daMaestro gets annoyed and considers being mean to mickey_away Aug 06 03:41:24 daMaestro, one issue is that it only charges med. or fast ONCE it recognizes the right charger/host USB, so if it is completely de-charged it takes a long time until it can boot and charge faster Aug 06 03:41:38 Infoport, no. it does not charge at all Aug 06 03:41:43 Infoport, something is wrong. Aug 06 03:41:56 someone piped out a script to check out battery specs Aug 06 03:41:58 i forget Aug 06 03:42:15 Infoport, i left it for an entire day (two nights, even) and it's still fully discharged Aug 06 03:42:19 rooly, got those screen shots of 2008 up yet ? Aug 06 03:42:23 nope Aug 06 03:42:25 upgrading Aug 06 03:42:31 (charging via the shipped AC) Aug 06 03:42:51 daMaestro sounds bad, although I thought they couldn't boot without a battery charge? Aug 06 03:43:45 daMaestro: have you posted to the lists? Aug 06 03:44:37 would anybody mind sending me their alsa .state files from /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ ? I must have messed up some setting and saved it Aug 06 03:45:38 undrwater, no, not yet Aug 06 03:46:11 daMaestro: for something like that, that's where i'd go... Aug 06 03:46:20 get this Aug 06 03:46:22 did u boot and then plug the charger in? Aug 06 03:46:38 one presidential candidate wants to increase the energy infrastructure Aug 06 03:46:41 I was at linux world today and a guy showed me how to change my distro to FSO (which I want to do) But I cant figure out how to "ssh" into the phone...) Aug 06 03:46:46 one presidenttial candidate wants to give people money Aug 06 03:46:48 so, when charging the led flashes, yes? Aug 06 03:46:49 which is which Aug 06 03:47:26 marlinnhag_, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Aug 06 03:48:24 marlin once plugged up, you "ssh root@192.168.0.202" and there is a wiki page...not fast enough, look at spdr post Aug 06 03:48:35 i did all that then i borked the /etc/who/knows wat i did Aug 06 03:49:32 oddly, when i take the AC charger out... it lasts for about 15 seconds Aug 06 03:49:45 thats abad batt Aug 06 03:50:11 some nokias have that battery Aug 06 03:50:14 * daMaestro demands mickey_away ships him a new battery now Aug 06 03:50:18 now, damnit. Aug 06 03:50:20 ;-) Aug 06 03:50:35 daMaestro I would contact retailer before your DOA time expires (or before they arent nice about it) Aug 06 03:50:50 Infoport, i bought it directly Aug 06 03:50:55 as i did with the neo1973 Aug 06 03:51:03 which, sadly, i just shipped off to another fedora developer Aug 06 03:51:09 so i don't have my old bat. Aug 06 03:51:16 just get another 1 a ahhhhh Aug 06 03:51:17 daMaestro: whats wrong batt wont charge? Aug 06 03:51:30 kd8ikt, just wont charge Aug 06 03:51:33 super dead beyond charge state? Aug 06 03:51:36 daMaestro: know anyone with a debug board? Aug 06 03:51:42 daMaestro then Openmoko.com is the retailer right? You get 2 extra FIC batteries with the "spares kit" Aug 06 03:51:43 undrwater, not close Aug 06 03:51:51 Infoport, link? Aug 06 03:51:56 cause i heard you can boost it back up again Aug 06 03:52:12 ah, there it is Aug 06 03:52:15 rooly|away: did that repo work for you? Aug 06 03:52:18 its a bad battery Aug 06 03:52:29 kd8ikt, i'm considering just getting the debug board and more batteris Aug 06 03:52:32 batteries Aug 06 03:53:14 http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/spares-pack for $49, and you get 2 batteries, cool pouch, headset and extra rubber earpieces Aug 06 03:53:22 geeeze that is another 150 though Aug 06 03:53:30 cause i was under the assumpyion you could boot with usb and then throw the batt in and it will charge Aug 06 03:53:54 kd8ikt, welllll... right now i can't boot Aug 06 03:54:01 that is part of the issue Aug 06 03:54:11 i can't even cu in and enable fast charge mode Aug 06 03:54:22 have any friends with nokia phones? Aug 06 03:54:34 nope Aug 06 03:54:45 * kd8ikt has like 2 nokia batts from previous phones that work fine in my moko Aug 06 03:54:48 daMaestro I have the debug board, but havent needed it yet (havent flashed NOR, and kept batt. charged) Aug 06 03:54:57 Haha thanks!!! I am sure I will need future help in the flashing of FSO Aug 06 03:55:09 goto a bar and find a nokia user daMaestro Aug 06 03:55:25 kd8ikt, lol Aug 06 03:55:34 knock door to door instead of asking for sugar ask if they have a nokia Aug 06 03:55:51 but you see... im DEAD FUCKING SERIOUS Aug 06 03:55:59 daMaestro, try plugging the moko into the usb while no batt' inside, then the red led should flash, and then put the battery back in Aug 06 03:56:43 now OM needs a stand-alone charger for the extra batteries Aug 06 03:57:10 * rwhitby uses a third-party charger for nokia batteries - picked it up for $5. Aug 06 03:57:32 note that recent nokia phones won't charge non-nokia batteries Aug 06 03:57:40 rwhitby do you have a charger name I can search on eBay, etc? Aug 06 03:57:49 yeah the nokias i have wont charge my freerunner battery or even power up with it considering its all the same (some propreitary crap and battery serial number) Aug 06 03:57:57 should i be able to turn on the freerunner with no battery in, while it's plugged into the AC? Aug 06 03:58:09 i think so daMaestro Aug 06 03:58:10 Infoport: just look for one that will charge a nokia bl5c battery Aug 06 03:58:13 gah Aug 06 03:58:16 (it's at work, so I can't check it) Aug 06 03:58:16 well.. i can't Aug 06 03:58:28 did u try what i said with the usb ? Aug 06 03:58:32 it worked for me daMaestro Aug 06 03:58:36 Thanks Spydr... That worked.. except when I connect to the phone I loose my internet connection. Aug 06 03:58:41 daMaestro: nope, it needs battery in to boot Aug 06 03:58:42 spdr_, the led didn't flash Aug 06 03:58:54 rwhitby that still helps! I'll search for "bl5c" Aug 06 03:59:17 marlinnhag_, try giving it a different ip Aug 06 03:59:22 spdr_, the led flashed once when i put the battery in Aug 06 03:59:28 The phone? Aug 06 03:59:31 hmm....I get no GSM w/ FSO milestone 2 Aug 06 04:00:18 perhaps netmask, as noted on the wiki Aug 06 04:01:03 marlinnhag_, no internet on the linux host or no internet on the phone ? Aug 06 04:01:49 On my linux Desktop... Ilook at the network manager and it only allows me to connect one or the other... Aug 06 04:02:10 MadTBone, I'm running later then ms2 so not sure if that makes a difference. I found we sometimes have to run the zphone manually of the home screen before it registers Aug 06 04:02:12 * daMaestro just ordered a spares pack Aug 06 04:02:20 skipped the debug board for now Aug 06 04:02:58 marlinnhag_, if you stay connected to the internet network connection, and try ssh into the phone, wont that work ? Aug 06 04:03:16 no need for the network-manager gui Aug 06 04:03:18 does the led continue to flash if the device is properly charging? Aug 06 04:03:28 is anyone running SHR on a Neo? Aug 06 04:03:46 daMaestro, beats me, just got the device yesterday, got it working a few hours ago :\ Aug 06 04:04:01 are there even any shr releases? Aug 06 04:04:30 wiki says nor SHR releases yet, only in someone's imagination Aug 06 04:05:09 ahh Aug 06 04:05:25 hipitihop|away: is that a self built image, then... or is there a download available? Aug 06 04:05:25 the only thing you can trust the wiki on is hardware specs... a lot of it is outdated... sometimes severely Aug 06 04:05:38 but no, there are no SHR releases... :P Aug 06 04:05:39 Got IT !! thank you Aug 06 04:05:55 Can you point me to the wiki that will tell me how to install FSO? Aug 06 04:05:58 hipitihop, is "Zphone" the encrypted comm. program from Phil Zimmerman?? I'd LOVE to see that ported Aug 06 04:06:09 how about this: anyone using ruby / dbus on the device? Alternatively, any idea how FXRuby would work on it? Aug 06 04:06:32 Zphone on Zhone? :) Aug 06 04:06:49 MadTBone, download .. link was provide kd8ikt the other day, standby, looking for link Aug 06 04:07:17 marlinnhag_, no problem, just be sure to install a dns server (bind9) so the phone can resolve addresses with it Aug 06 04:07:25 was the easiest solution for me ^ Aug 06 04:07:27 jadams and Infoport: I think he meant zhone Aug 06 04:07:41 MadTBone, I was just going with it :) Aug 06 04:08:09 please, could someone send me the .state files so I can see what I borked? i.e. gsmheadset.state, gsmhandset.state, etc from /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ Aug 06 04:08:17 ???? you just lost me... dns server bind9??? I pretty new and probably shouldnt even be attempting to use this phone but I enjoy tinkering... Aug 06 04:08:52 Infoport, not sure what it is, it is just how it is reported in the pull down curtain ZPhone Aug 06 04:09:13 The guy at Linux world flashed a phone from 2007.2 to FSO in front of me in like 10 minutes. He made it look pretty simple. Aug 06 04:10:00 marlinnhag_, this is the link to the FSO flashing: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO Aug 06 04:10:13 marlinnhag_, what distro of linux are u using ? Aug 06 04:10:18 MadTBone, ok... I am just anxious to see ZPhone from Zimmerman (PGP fame) to actually become widespread, such as on an open phone Aug 06 04:10:43 marlinnhag_, yes it is that simple ... although it took us 4 hours and a lot of help from this channel my first time ;-) Aug 06 04:10:54 Ubuntu (older version 7.04) Aug 06 04:11:10 marlinnhag_, hi Aug 06 04:11:13 that was me Aug 06 04:11:17 marlinnhag, it depends on if you want to preserve anything. it IS simple to flash the phone, and a little more complicated to install to SD Aug 06 04:11:43 LOL Aug 06 04:11:51 I figured you surface Aug 06 04:11:52 marlinnhag_, from the ssh (from the phone) try ping google.com Aug 06 04:12:17 if it cant ping, then on the linux host open a root shell and type in: apt-get install bind9 Aug 06 04:12:30 should do the job Aug 06 04:12:35 well, i'm afraid i'm meeting someone for a late dinner Aug 06 04:12:38 ping: bad address 'google.com' Aug 06 04:12:50 but i might be able to give you a hand when i get back... but i'm often enough on this channel Aug 06 04:12:58 and will be at linuxworl again tomorrow (and thursday) Aug 06 04:12:58 No worries Ieatlint... Ill probably see you tomorrow.. Aug 06 04:13:14 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07specs * re37a72d39bd4 10/opreferences/ (3 files): Added opreferences specs Aug 06 04:13:19 so as i said, on the linux host, from a root shell: qpt-get install bind9 Aug 06 04:13:24 apt-get* Aug 06 04:14:15 marlin it could be the nameserver...try ping 74.125.19.147 (from USB Networking on Wiki, a Google address) Aug 06 04:15:12 can u recommend a stable asu? Aug 06 04:15:43 Infoport, it is, thats why i told him to install bind9 and save time on ugly hacks :0 Aug 06 04:16:21 while upgrading Aug 06 04:16:24 "Restarting Dropbear SSH server: Connection to 192.168.0.202 closed by remote host." Aug 06 04:16:47 never mind Aug 06 04:17:07 why install dns? try setting as nameserver your router, if your router doesnot responed to other subnetworks, set directly your isp's dns server Aug 06 04:17:47 hmm, interesting... Aug 06 04:17:52 marlinnhag once I was connected, the standard instructions made the nameserver keep changing back to wrong. I changed the /etc/network/interfaces on my host computer to echo my router's IP for the usb0 setup Aug 06 04:17:54 anyone have a list of the opkg feeds that work? Aug 06 04:17:59 mine are all fubar... Aug 06 04:19:38 no wait, maybe it is set somewhere else...one of the files was using the 192.168.0.200 of my host, and I just changed it to my servers IP Aug 06 04:19:50 * nullpuppy currently has http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed// ... in all the feed files.. Aug 06 04:20:07 dbmoodb_: something I found that's a recipe for cross-compiling and building packages: http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/3 Aug 06 04:20:14 Ok I installed bind9... NOw should I jsut follw the Wikis Steps??? Aug 06 04:20:34 check u can ping google, you should be able to Aug 06 04:20:39 and yeah i guess thats it :S Aug 06 04:20:47 "Cannot find package kernel-module-g-ether." - is that normal ? Aug 06 04:21:06 PING google.com (64.233.167.99): 56 data bytes Aug 06 04:21:27 marlinnhag_, good :) Aug 06 04:21:52 ah, good. jOERG_rw made the schematics location public :-) Aug 06 04:21:58 spdr WHOOPS! I just found that error today in the middle of Getting Started...how to update. It says to install before you reboot or lose USB connectivity (but I didnt notice before today and rebooted a bunch) Aug 06 04:23:11 so now am I good to go? Aug 06 04:23:22 Infoport, umm, so how fucked am i? :0 Aug 06 04:23:33 marlinnhag_, yeah Aug 06 04:24:10 spdr I didn't notice that until today, so it must have not bitten me in the 3-4 days before I say the warning. You might just reboot, or you might have to use another computer to put the files onto SD and install from there Aug 06 04:24:24 before I saw the warning Aug 06 04:25:05 oh well, here goes nothing Aug 06 04:25:49 spdr_ it freaked me out when I read it today, but the list thread it references starts Aug2. I installed the modules before I rebooted right then (but I've rebooted daily before) Aug 06 04:27:13 w00t Aug 06 04:27:22 done upgrading Aug 06 04:27:28 gonna try to make screenshots now Aug 06 04:27:35 2008.08 ? Aug 06 04:27:58 mm hmm Aug 06 04:28:00 damn Aug 06 04:28:05 stupid iso error Aug 06 04:28:09 ln -s libc.so.6 /lib/libc.so Aug 06 04:28:13 that fixes it rooly|away Aug 06 04:28:16 kk Aug 06 04:29:00 do me a fav and drop the away nick Aug 06 04:30:03 any reason why it wont boot after the upgrade ? Aug 06 04:30:06 ... howmanny friggen irc client you have over there Aug 06 04:30:07 making uploads now Aug 06 04:30:10 go look! Aug 06 04:30:15 stuck at the logo Aug 06 04:30:36 rooly: link? Aug 06 04:30:42 scap.linuxtogo.org Aug 06 04:30:43 kernel is probably missing spdr_ try boot option from uboot Aug 06 04:30:50 see what it errors Aug 06 04:30:59 rebooting it Aug 06 04:31:02 hmm.... ieatlint deffinitely went through a different process than what ever stuff is listed on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO he was using something like dfutil and ubooot???? Is this the script I put in and I am done apt-get install ccache sed wget cvs subversion git-core monotone coreutils \ Aug 06 04:31:02 unzip texi2html texinfo libsdl1.2-dev docbook-utils gawk.... OR????? Aug 06 04:31:34 spdr_ the warning on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Update_with_the_package_manager is just about kernel modules you have to install for networking over USB (unless they fixed it already??) Aug 06 04:31:52 * spdr_ hopes they did Aug 06 04:32:13 okay phone loaded .. kinda slower? Aug 06 04:32:28 registering also seems kinda slower :\ Aug 06 04:32:47 can i opkg downgrade? :( Aug 06 04:32:59 MadTBone, sorry for the delay, here is the link http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973 Aug 06 04:34:07 hmm Aug 06 04:34:12 the phone is a good bit slower Aug 06 04:34:14 spdr_, yes there is a way to downgrade.. but I do not remmember it... look at the mailing list or wiki... Aug 06 04:34:15 after upgrade Aug 06 04:34:30 rooly, what did you upgrade too ? Aug 06 04:34:37 MadTBone, I assume you are GTA02 so pay attention. I used the Aug 04 jffs.summary but have opkg update/upgrade since Aug 06 04:34:37 i just hit opkg upgrade Aug 06 04:34:42 there we go Aug 06 04:35:24 gr8, no USB networking Aug 06 04:35:53 it s strnage... with the latest kernel.. it seems the USB netowrk is slow ? did you notice anything ? Aug 06 04:36:05 I notoced it while doing okpg update... Aug 06 04:36:19 oh, its okay! Aug 06 04:36:27 just not registering my sim :S Aug 06 04:37:16 hum Aug 06 04:37:30 buildhost made some new image :) seems to be the ASU... (i hope.. Aug 06 04:37:32 I will try that Aug 06 04:39:30 spdr_ glad to hear! I installed those kernel modules to be safe, but OM must have done something else too so it wouldnt bork Aug 06 04:39:55 no really Aug 06 04:40:01 the phone is going really really slow Aug 06 04:40:18 MadTBone, still there ? Aug 06 04:40:57 hrm Aug 06 04:41:22 http://rafb.net/p/92Tcwy61.html Aug 06 04:41:27 anyone see anything wrong with that? Aug 06 04:41:45 hipitihop_: yep....thanks for the link...browsing it now Aug 06 04:42:03 hipitihop_: I did manage to get GSM w/ FSO ms2 .... Aug 06 04:42:21 hipitihop_: had to exit zhone and restart manually as you said Aug 06 04:42:48 Infoport, for some reason i cant resolve hostnames but can ping ip's, any idea ? Aug 06 04:43:01 MadTBone, ok...I also flashed the latest kernel bin from bottom of same link Aug 06 04:43:09 using my linux host as nameserver, with bind Aug 06 04:44:46 hipitihop_: do you ever get what seems to be a hang caused by zhone... sometimes zhone doesn't load, and when I try to launch an app from home I get nothing... tried top via ssh, but nothing seems to be eating cpu cycles... Aug 06 04:45:11 wtf Aug 06 04:46:02 it won't put the installer on my desktop Aug 06 04:46:02 MadTBone, sure, occasionaly manage to crash the UI leaving me at terminal login prompt and no keyboard ;-) Aug 06 04:46:19 hm..... since 3 days... my gos cannot get any fix..... is it the same to you with one of the new kernel ? Aug 06 04:46:27 spdr_ I use my router's local IP as nameserver. the instructions have you edit /etc/network/interfaces ON THE PHONE, and it echoes it in new every connection (so change it here too if you like it) Aug 06 04:46:29 hipitihop_: ha! never managed to do that! Aug 06 04:46:40 MadTBone, usually trying to fiddle with the clock applet though, so had to resot to setting time/date using terminal window Aug 06 04:46:56 resot = resort Aug 06 04:47:31 Hmm. USB DFU doesn't provide a block-checksum facility, or some other way to accelerate updates by checking what areas of the firmware has changed.. Aug 06 04:47:39 should have been able to resolve anyways Aug 06 04:47:49 but i'll give it a try Aug 06 04:48:09 MadTBone, anyways good luck, I need to get some work done Aug 06 04:48:23 no, seriously Aug 06 04:48:24 wtf! Aug 06 04:49:05 hipitihop_: later. I need to turn in. Aug 06 04:49:22 WTF counter 515 ..... Aug 06 04:49:54 when did that counter start? Aug 06 04:50:13 today :) Aug 06 04:50:16 is there a GOOD copy of gsmhandset.state, etc out there anywhere? I get no/extremely low sound on all calls Aug 06 04:51:12 IT's not called the openmoko Neo any more now it's the openmoko WTF! Aug 06 04:53:38 Hello Aug 06 04:53:44 can anyone help me connect to my wireless router? Aug 06 04:53:47 I tried the wiki Aug 06 04:53:48 no luck Aug 06 04:54:16 tell us about your router Aug 06 04:54:21 how you're connecting Aug 06 04:54:25 iwconfig Aug 06 04:54:41 hum did you try using lint-wifi or wifi-radar ? Aug 06 04:54:50 does it come with the firmware? Aug 06 04:55:00 i need to download it i thought Aug 06 04:55:09 hahah...you can download it and copy it over using usb Aug 06 04:55:23 wow how Aug 06 04:55:24 lol Aug 06 04:55:31 that will save me so much trouble Aug 06 04:56:00 then opkg install lint-wifi.ipk Aug 06 04:56:51 use : http://paste.uni.cc/19214 for your okpg, and do opkg update opkg install wifi-radar Aug 06 04:57:06 and use wifi-radar to detect your wireless network and connect to it Aug 06 05:00:02 where is the page with suggested bluetooth keyboards? Aug 06 05:00:23 laptop not seeing open moko as usb when choosing usb from boot menu Aug 06 05:00:57 ???? Aug 06 05:01:16 i never used this option from the boot menu... why would you used it ? Aug 06 05:01:31 how can I copy stuff to the open moko Aug 06 05:01:33 Anybody has the link to the 2008 version ? Aug 06 05:01:54 Torikun, boot normally, plug the USB plug, and use scp and ssh... Aug 06 05:02:04 look at the wiki, getting started.. it s all explain... Aug 06 05:02:05 it will have an ip address? Aug 06 05:02:10 yes Aug 06 05:02:17 wiki, getting started... Aug 06 05:02:32 nat is only for outbout access then ? Aug 06 05:02:49 w00t Aug 06 05:02:52 got the app installer working Aug 06 05:03:41 Torikun, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner for the basic USB communicatio.n Aug 06 05:04:00 "An error ocurred, return value: 2." - with any opkg install i do, any idea why? Aug 06 05:05:28 spdr_ look at what is inside a file of /etc/opkg Aug 06 05:05:47 more /etc/opkg/* Aug 06 05:06:06 cehck that you ave the openmoko buildhost.. and not somthing else.. Aug 06 05:06:17 heh just noticed, but why did they replace all the sources ? Aug 06 05:06:40 it s a "bug" Aug 06 05:07:00 http://paste.uni.cc/19214 << you can use theses one.. Aug 06 05:07:33 thanks Aug 06 05:11:05 dam I have to hack the kernel just to get masqerading working Aug 06 05:11:11 lol any easier way to copy the file to the phone Aug 06 05:16:07 iI think i am doing something wrong Aug 06 05:17:50 iptables cant initalize iptables table nat Aug 06 05:19:07 for those wondering, if you get a y-usb cable, you can charge the FR on your computer using 1A Aug 06 05:19:17 still getting an error Aug 06 05:19:21 (you must however explicitly tell the FR to do so) Aug 06 05:19:24 only thing i didnt change was fic-gta02-feed.conf Aug 06 05:20:10 uploading another pic to http://scap.linuxtogo.org Aug 06 05:21:11 anyone goo with usb networking on open moko Aug 06 05:21:38 rooly, is that SS from the rootfs of today ? Aug 06 05:21:51 yesterday Aug 06 05:22:03 but for some reason, my keyboard is messed up Aug 06 05:22:05 ieatlint what is that about a y-cable? is that so you can use a USB keyboard too? and WHERE do you buy the keyboard? (Oxford Archeology had ones made with mini-USB, but the regular ones DONT have a mini plug Aug 06 05:22:06 ok Aug 06 05:22:38 rooly, yesterday rootfs was for gt01.. the one of today is for gt02. Aug 06 05:22:43 anyonw know what i need in fic-gta02-feed.conf ? Aug 06 05:22:55 it was the gta02 one Aug 06 05:22:55 Infoport, you really jumped to conclusions there Aug 06 05:22:56 Infoport: miniUSB-b-male to usb-a-female Aug 06 05:23:02 spdr_, what I gave you should be ok... Aug 06 05:23:05 * rooly has to go to bed Aug 06 05:23:06 nn Aug 06 05:23:25 feydreva, there was some lines there that were the same Aug 06 05:23:27 depends what time zone you are I guess... Aug 06 05:23:38 and yeah, what zash says... but no, the extra connector on the y cable is solely for power, not data Aug 06 05:23:44 spdr_, so it should work.. do a opkg update Aug 06 05:23:53 you can pull 500mA per usb port, so it uses two to get the 1A Aug 06 05:24:01 the same like http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//fic-gta02/Packages.gz Aug 06 05:24:08 if it gives you a -2 error, that mean you do not have any conection, or that the package do not exist Aug 06 05:24:16 and they're sold with and for external hdd enclosures for 2.5" drives Aug 06 05:24:22 my-distribution is a fake adress.. remove thoses lines Aug 06 05:24:24 yep... Aug 06 05:25:01 feydreva, i know, but they are also in the link u gave me :S Aug 06 05:25:18 connection is okay, and the files well, are from the wiki Aug 06 05:25:58 http://paste.uni.cc/19214 hum.. yeah I jsut check,. there is one I need to rremove.. but anyway. with theses one.. I could install and upgrade without issue Aug 06 05:28:01 did anyone ever make those jump to conclusions mats? or is there still time for me to get rich, quick? Aug 06 05:28:49 get rich Aug 06 05:29:02 rooly, I installed the image of today... when I go to exposure, clock, alarm.. there is a "back" button at the bottom.. I click on it.. but it jsut remove the bottom bar.. but nor close the clock window... same if I go on the top bar, and do remove... the clock windows doesn;t go away.., bug ? Aug 06 05:29:32 feydreva, you've gotta fight with that bottom bar Aug 06 05:29:40 lol... Aug 06 05:29:50 it works sometimes Aug 06 05:29:56 so far I haven;t succeed to close the clock.... Aug 06 05:30:13 you sure the bar->remove doesn't work? Aug 06 05:30:40 ieatlint i'm jumping without a net :-D that was where I saw use for the y-cable before, but havent been able to find the keyboard with miniplug Aug 06 05:31:29 rooly, yep I m sure the remove works for the other.. but not for the clock menu... Aug 06 05:31:31 does /etc/network/interfaces have a fallback statement? Aug 06 05:31:55 fallback_eth0 192.168.1.5...something like that? Aug 06 05:31:59 Infoport, your real best bet, is to get a powered usb hub (or modify a usb hub to tack on a battery) Aug 06 05:32:19 then just use your regular usb cable for plugging into the phone to hookup to the usb hub Aug 06 05:35:07 rooly, with the new image, you need to install the kernel module to get the usb connection to work ? Aug 06 05:35:20 not i Aug 06 05:35:42 gotta use a script from the wiki... Aug 06 05:35:53 hum i have no usb connection with this new imag... Aug 06 05:35:55 link ? Aug 06 05:36:18 http://rafb.net/p/o5mI2S24.html Aug 06 05:36:30 use that pc side Aug 06 05:36:39 ok Aug 06 05:36:41 i will try that Aug 06 05:36:55 * undrwater having the same problem...thanks Aug 06 05:37:16 that should allow you to usb in Aug 06 05:37:57 ok Aug 06 05:37:59 good...cause there's no terminal in the image i have Aug 06 05:37:59 oh, btw Aug 06 05:38:05 i know Aug 06 05:38:08 it's a pain Aug 06 05:38:11 * rooly sighs Aug 06 05:38:14 oh, btw Aug 06 05:38:30 if you hit opkg upgrade, you'll need to re-install illume-theme Aug 06 05:38:52 ok Aug 06 05:38:53 bed time Aug 06 05:38:57 i have to be up early tomorrow Aug 06 05:39:00 night rooly Aug 06 05:39:43 grr...that doesn't help me...i don't get usb0 Aug 06 05:41:31 rooly, hum the script didn;t work :/ Aug 06 05:41:36 rooly, good night... Aug 06 05:43:24 undrwater, you use one of the last roofs ? Aug 06 05:43:55 ieatlint I still lust for the roll-up rubber keyboard with mini-plug, which Oxford Archeology got made special. I haven't even been able to find a computer/electronics store local that has an adapter for female A-usb to male mini-B Aug 06 05:44:12 hum Aug 06 05:44:18 a reboot solved my issue Aug 06 05:44:21 avec the install Aug 06 05:44:24 ieatlit the regular Duraflex keyboards get the big plug :-( Aug 06 05:44:30 so buy one with the regular type a connector, cut it off, and put a mini on Aug 06 05:44:36 any irc client for the moko yet ? Aug 06 05:44:43 feydreva: yes Aug 06 05:44:55 I used the scritp rooly gave Aug 06 05:44:58 spdr_: i was using irssi Aug 06 05:45:01 and did a reboot Aug 06 05:45:06 and now I have the connection working Aug 06 05:45:13 ieatlint DIY! why didn't I think of that! Aug 06 05:45:16 ahhh...hmmm...i'll try then Aug 06 05:45:34 reboot of the FR... Aug 06 05:45:37 not the PC Aug 06 05:46:02 oh...ok Aug 06 05:46:12 so you had it connected first, then rebooted? Aug 06 05:46:21 anyone here using fso II or better ? Aug 06 05:46:50 Infoport, have fun... :) Aug 06 05:46:53 goodnight Aug 06 05:47:04 hipitihop_: yes Aug 06 05:48:54 cjb, is there something I can install to use as an alarm gadget ? Aug 06 05:49:01 hm, dunno Aug 06 05:49:38 have you managed to get bluetooth to work in calls ? I had no problem getting a pairing but nothing more Aug 06 05:51:01 haven't tried :) Aug 06 05:51:09 * cjb is just using it for calls and GPS Aug 06 05:52:42 * hipitihop_ goes off to get some more work done Aug 06 05:54:18 * trupheenix is watching raindrops Aug 06 05:58:14 ieatlint I just figure that for approx $45-60 I should get the right connector right away, but havent found how to get the Oxford version Aug 06 05:59:40 OK, anybody who will send me good .state files? my audio wont get any sounds on calls (nor send) Aug 06 06:03:25 anyone got screen shots up of 2008 Aug 06 06:04:48 damn...i can boot kernel in SD, but can't seem to init rootfs Aug 06 06:05:14 "no init found" Aug 06 06:07:06 good night allll Aug 06 06:07:33 Infoport: start with http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/audio/om-gta02/gsmheadset.state then try adjusting "Mic2" in "alsamixer -V all" Aug 06 06:10:05 Infoport: i figured my problem was with a defective handset. i duly got it replaced Aug 06 06:10:17 yo Aug 06 06:11:15 i installed the 2008.8 images from yesterday, now my usbnet wront work ?! Aug 06 06:12:18 ronny: yesterday's images booted up though? Aug 06 06:12:29 Centaur5: yeah Aug 06 06:12:34 ronny: apparently this should fix: http://rafb.net/p/o5mI2S24.html Aug 06 06:12:46 ronny: I guess I'll have to try flashing again then cause it wouldn't boot. Aug 06 06:12:47 run on PC, then reboot phone Aug 06 06:14:33 Hello Aug 06 06:14:44 I was able o ssh into my freerunner but I can not ping outside Aug 06 06:14:46 any ideas? Aug 06 06:15:22 Torikun: fix the resolv.conf on your moko Aug 06 06:15:28 undrwater: didnt helo Aug 06 06:15:45 =-name server = 192.168.0.200 Aug 06 06:16:10 are you running linux? and using usb? Aug 06 06:16:13 yes Aug 06 06:16:31 scp /etc/resolv.conf root@192.168.0.202:/etc/ Aug 06 06:16:37 from the host pc Aug 06 06:17:04 or jsut install dnsmasq Aug 06 06:17:08 ty Aug 06 06:17:09 it works Aug 06 06:17:11 or that Aug 06 06:17:12 or run a nameserver like bind or dnsmasq on the pc Aug 06 06:18:40 how to update repos Aug 06 06:18:40 ronny: didn't work for me either...dmesg tells me the phone won't attache to a /dev Aug 06 06:19:12 opkg update says signature check failed Aug 06 06:19:27 Torikun: ignore it Aug 06 06:19:30 for now Aug 06 06:20:54 hmm, got it now Aug 06 06:21:09 how do i exit application with the asu ui ? Aug 06 06:21:14 ronny: what'd you do? Aug 06 06:21:16 what is the ignore/force option Aug 06 06:21:47 i do not see it in the help Aug 06 06:21:55 undrwater: guess my hotplug device script set works Aug 06 06:22:01 undrwater: u on ubuntu? Aug 06 06:22:07 ronny: no...gentoo Aug 06 06:22:45 Torikun: force install in spite of errors Aug 06 06:22:59 I need to update my packages first right? Aug 06 06:23:51 update then upgrade, yes Aug 06 06:24:00 I can not update because of the signature Aug 06 06:24:15 you did update...the sig errors are inconsequential Aug 06 06:24:26 you can upgrade now Aug 06 06:24:27 how does one fix opkg on the asu Aug 06 06:24:27 says faile dto download Aug 06 06:24:44 yep...that's OK...they're not there to download anyway Aug 06 06:24:47 ARGH Aug 06 06:24:55 Failed to download http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all/Packages.gz, error 0 Aug 06 06:25:02 who the heck made those images Aug 06 06:26:06 ronny: that's a joke, right? Aug 06 06:26:12 lol Aug 06 06:26:25 hey, that is whay mine says Aug 06 06:26:26 undrwater: no, thats the errors i get from opkg Aug 06 06:26:28 my disto.org Aug 06 06:26:30 I get teh same error Aug 06 06:26:43 there's no my-distribution.org Aug 06 06:26:49 how do you fix it Aug 06 06:26:52 xof course there isnt Aug 06 06:27:11 you can remove or replace that with a distro of your choice or making Aug 06 06:27:12 some idiot put the example files in the image in stead of real locations Aug 06 06:27:28 set up so you can create your own repo Aug 06 06:27:36 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * rc8535b341ab1 10/framework/config.py: Emmit an error if no config file can be found. Aug 06 06:30:46 sed -ie 's@my-distribution.org\/remote-feed\/@downloads.openmoko.org\/repository\/Om2008.8\/@' /etc/opkg/*feed* Aug 06 06:31:24 @ Torikun Aug 06 06:31:55 * trupheenix is wondering what will happen if it keeps raining. GPS is not working due to storm. Aug 06 06:32:31 * kgoetz swaped back to the old .conf files and still got no updates Aug 06 06:33:36 is the arm we use a 32bit little-endian machine? Aug 06 06:34:03 arm is not little endian. AFAIK Aug 06 06:34:18 can smeone send me their repos? Aug 06 06:34:45 Torikun: just execute the oneliner i gave you Aug 06 06:34:45 wow Aug 06 06:34:52 i have a load average >4 while booting Aug 06 06:36:01 ronny: I had some pc issues Aug 06 06:36:56 I need the open moko repos Aug 06 06:38:47 ronny: dont you need /etc/opkg/*conf not /etc/opkg/*feed* Aug 06 06:39:05 even then, some are failing downloads :\ Aug 06 06:39:30 i deleted everything in /etc/opkg Aug 06 06:39:33 since it was not working Aug 06 06:39:46 Torikun: you need a copy? Aug 06 06:39:51 Yes please Aug 06 06:40:00 Torikun: just a minute Aug 06 06:40:09 kgoetz: the feeds have the repos Aug 06 06:40:18 ronny: i have no *feeds* Aug 06 06:40:26 kgoetz: oO Aug 06 06:40:32 oh, *feed*, not *feeds* :$ Aug 06 06:41:09 heh Aug 06 06:41:11 kgoetz: How can you send it? Aug 06 06:41:20 Torikun: pastebin? Aug 06 06:41:25 ok Aug 06 06:41:50 http://paste.debian.net/14023/ Aug 06 06:41:55 ty Aug 06 06:42:03 not all are valid, but you'll see which when you update :) Aug 06 06:42:15 i would give you valid only but the neo is downloading updates, and doesnt want to stop Aug 06 06:42:46 and theres oodles of updates :| Aug 06 06:42:47 all that in 1 file Aug 06 06:43:00 Torikun: no, look at the script at the top Aug 06 06:43:05 i like that word...oodles Aug 06 06:43:19 kgoetz: so 2007 is updating to 2008? Aug 06 06:43:31 via opkg? Aug 06 06:43:51 undrwater: 200804240820 is updating to 2008.8 Aug 06 06:44:31 undrwater: if thats 2007.* then yes (sorry to not directly answer) Aug 06 06:44:34 kgoetz: I have nothing in the folder Aug 06 06:44:57 Torikun: (16:09:30) Torikun: i deleted everything in /etc/opkg <- is this a clue why that might be? Aug 06 06:45:16 lol Aug 06 06:45:23 I see the different files in your script now Aug 06 06:45:44 Torikun: the pastebin is is a list of files (ending in .conf) followed by the fils contnt. the content goes until the next line ending in conf :) Aug 06 06:46:18 how do i get a real input keyboard with the asu? Aug 06 06:46:33 i need to enter my elan password, and that is not some fscking word Aug 06 06:46:36 ty Aug 06 06:46:57 sorry about missing E's, my keyboard is almost EOL Aug 06 06:47:36 Torikun: FYI http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8//fic-gta02/Packages.gz, fails Aug 06 06:47:43 dont know if thats a feature or not :) Aug 06 06:51:03 trying to sync update now kgoetz Aug 06 06:51:32 motif is installing now and download dependencies Aug 06 06:51:33 ty Aug 06 06:51:53 cool. Aug 06 06:52:02 * kgoetz is still doing a -test upgrade Aug 06 06:53:47 any way to get to the power menu Aug 06 06:53:56 if i hold the power and it wont show? Aug 06 06:54:20 will the upgrade take awhile? Aug 06 06:54:36 looks like it. theres a fair few packages Aug 06 06:57:16 I just want the wifi gui tonight lol Aug 06 06:57:20 opkg install python-core python-misc python-lang python-subprocess python-threading python-pygtk python-pygobjec Aug 06 06:57:38 * kgoetz is looking forward to perl arriving Aug 06 06:57:45 might just install debian and use it that way though Aug 06 06:57:54 let me know how it goes Aug 06 06:57:54 mm Aug 06 07:16:53 what does it mean with the aux light is red? Aug 06 07:17:34 danger... freerunner is about to explode Aug 06 07:17:34 good morning Aug 06 07:18:43 reboot and hope time Aug 06 07:19:26 is it posable to buy the headset/mic plugs seperate? i'm thinking a freerunner+a ham radio could do packet Aug 06 07:21:13 -sh: iface: not found Aug 06 07:21:18 wtf? ^ Aug 06 07:22:27 looks the same to me :| Aug 06 07:23:45 hmm, pkcon doesnt let me install tangogps Aug 06 07:23:57 oh, stupid me, just need some sleep -_- Aug 06 07:25:01 well... that upgrade gave no excitement :( just a wrong-clock Aug 06 07:26:18 how come wifi apps and wb browser do not open when I click on them Aug 06 07:26:20 weird Aug 06 07:29:09 crap. I still can't get calls to make or pickup sound over the call. it worked once, but is borked now Aug 06 07:29:46 i spent hours just to get wifi Aug 06 07:29:46 lol Aug 06 07:29:59 :o Aug 06 07:30:08 love the phone still Aug 06 07:30:11 wifi = pice of cake Aug 06 07:30:11 good work devs Aug 06 07:30:26 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8b285a1e845a 10/conf/machine/om-gta01.conf: [om-gta01] make sure g-ether is in image Aug 06 07:30:26 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r918dc2dd0c06 10/conf/machine/om-gta02.conf: [om-gta02] we have large flash so load all modules Aug 06 07:30:27 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r170723a08d3a 10/packages/tasks/task-base.bb: [task-base] increment PR after modules changes Aug 06 07:30:27 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd2313296c004 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Stable kernel upgrade. g-ether is now a module, beware Aug 06 07:30:30 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r56f94e4bda2f 10/conf/machine/om-gta02.conf: [om-gta02] Do not generate yaffs2 due size issues Aug 06 07:30:33 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5222611464b0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: update ompower - cleaner suspend/resume Aug 06 07:30:36 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r756e84565759 10/packages/openmoko-projects/illume-theme_svn.bb: [illume] Allow people to easily replace the illume edje files Aug 06 07:30:51 anyone installed python-urllib2 package on device? Aug 06 07:32:05 dunno Aug 06 07:32:06 lol Aug 06 07:32:29 opendeep: nope - what's with it? Aug 06 07:32:45 does it have an irc client Aug 06 07:33:16 mines taking its sweet time about booting :( all i did was change the timezone Aug 06 07:33:42 mine does not load websites Aug 06 07:33:43 lol Aug 06 07:34:14 *** glibc detected *** openmoko-today: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x00086ad0 *** Aug 06 07:34:14 ^^ lovely :| Aug 06 07:34:22 Hey free runner devs: I love the laster light pen! Aug 06 07:34:27 ty! Aug 06 07:35:04 How do you close/quit apps? Aug 06 07:36:14 ahahahah. i just saw the 'spank spank' error message Aug 06 07:36:41 anyone able to load we bsites? Aug 06 07:40:35 emdete:it's a python module to open url's and read data, I did not fing this in feed's and trying manually install but failed to get the package in the net. Aug 06 07:44:07 yeah, got a gps fix in 42s with only half sky visible this morning Aug 06 07:44:25 and i got signals from around 6 sattellites in about only 15s Aug 06 07:44:33 (dont know why fixing took so long) Aug 06 07:45:04 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r15aa8bf72252 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu-feed.bb: [openmoko-asu-feed] Remove minimo from ASU-feed Aug 06 07:45:14 i tried tho phone yesterday :) worked very well, good speech quality and stable communication Aug 06 07:45:25 * beni_ is happy Aug 06 07:45:43 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r53e2256f8b9d 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu-feed.bb: [openmoko-asu-feed] Remove minimo from ASU-feed Aug 06 07:46:37 how much of a problem is it if someone is flashing the rootfs very often? Aug 06 07:46:52 because package updates with opkg will result in writing to the rootfs... Aug 06 07:47:03 or ist it only a problem to flash kernel/uboot? Aug 06 08:00:17 hmm, the asu ui is a pain Aug 06 08:00:38 is there any way to get the gtk based ui back on the 2008.8 image? Aug 06 08:06:17 hmm... when trying to build with mokomakefile it fails to build a kernel because neo1973_pm_gps.h does not exist... Aug 06 08:14:33 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r84656519be62 10/classes/update-rc.d.bbclass: make sure update-rc is always executed in an offline postinst (from poky r4976) Aug 06 08:14:33 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r4a08a09fe19a 10/packages/dbus/dbus_1.1.20.bb: [dbus] Bump the PR after the update-rc change as we know dbus benefits from it Aug 06 08:24:00 morning Aug 06 08:29:31 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rfeb87d2587ad 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): update efl and illume to have config for removed spanner , asterisk moved, Aug 06 08:30:26 morning methril Aug 06 08:35:34 any idea how long the battery will last on the 2007 image ? Aug 06 08:36:07 with only GSM and Bluetooth powered up Aug 06 08:37:28 does the fso stack have some way of seeing received calls/numbers or some package I can add ? Aug 06 08:41:19 spdr_: try it Aug 06 08:41:25 i would say around 6 hours Aug 06 08:43:20 do any of the current stacks provide a way of seeing received calls/numbers ? Aug 06 08:45:30 good question Aug 06 08:45:42 * wyze awaits the answer Aug 06 08:52:23 2007.2 and ASU do Aug 06 08:58:18 XorA, do you know if the Qtopia does ? Aug 06 08:58:41 hipitihop_: I assume so, its the same software as ASU Aug 06 08:59:39 XorA, I wasn't aware of that or that it was available Aug 06 08:59:41 yes, it does Aug 06 09:00:00 I knew I had seen it Aug 06 09:00:29 hipitihop_: the 2007.2 image shows call history Aug 06 09:02:33 i'm trying to lauch orrery, but i get : "Segmentation fault Aug 06 09:02:42 any idea how to fix this? Aug 06 09:03:04 I know all is in a state of flux and my partner although a noob, is very prepared to experiment with the various stacks but I'm trying to decide on a primary one that she can rely on for reliable calls and things like call history. Probably need to set her up with flashed one and dual boot experiments. So suggestions are welcome Aug 06 09:03:58 for recieving calls i would recommend FSO or qtopia (not 2007.2 or ASU at the moment) Aug 06 09:06:55 Zorkman, she has had FSO Aug4 for a couple of days and today first time in earnest while she was out had trouble answering calls and drop outs, has no received calls log etc Aug 06 09:07:30 gtopia then i guess :) Aug 06 09:09:03 Zorkman, she also tried Qtopia but not in earnest in regards to calls. We both prefer the look of the FSO. Might flip her back to Qtopia and wait for the *th for the combined stack to try Aug 06 09:09:21 sorry, wait for the 8th Aug 06 09:16:57 morning Aug 06 09:20:04 morning all Aug 06 09:20:34 hi Aug 06 09:23:23 Do some body know is L10N (.pot files) infrastructure was made for ASU/FSO? And how can smbd obtain .pot to translate? Aug 06 09:31:57 SpeedEvil: ping Aug 06 09:32:55 mmontour: ping Aug 06 09:37:48 2-0 for jOERG_rw :) Aug 06 09:37:59 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rb4de070c1911 10/classes/cpan.bbclass: [cpan] point PERL_ARCHLIB to perl-native, hint taken from xjqian OE Aug 06 09:38:50 Zorkman: look at people.openmoko.org/joerg to see a *real* 4:0 ;-) Aug 06 09:40:24 i already seen the schematics and your tape-sollution, it's nice :) Aug 06 09:41:43 are there already taken any descisions on what to add/remove in the A7? Aug 06 09:44:12 Zorkman: A7 is about product revision. No adds, no removes Aug 06 09:44:38 Zorkman: just layout minimal changes and some capacitors bigger size Aug 06 09:45:07 we're just doing the first PCB-prototypes Aug 06 09:45:56 sorry, I wasn't clear with my question, i mean small changes, like if the capacitator on t he SD would be implemented or not Aug 06 09:46:37 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r9182a36d1aef 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [openmoko-feed] perl problems are fixed, re-enable gpsdrive Aug 06 09:46:48 we got pads (footprints) for capacitors on SD, no decision on whether they will be NC or some real components Aug 06 09:47:00 did i miss something on the mailinglists are isn't there yet an "official" openmoko report on the improvement of the capacitator? Aug 06 09:47:26 i did see the report of a community member (cathy? i think) but she did only the software fix if i recall correctly Aug 06 09:47:49 the imprvement of the C's has been evaluatede and published IIRC Aug 06 09:48:11 by a OMemployee Aug 06 09:49:04 please don't ask for links, I'm drowning in mail and info o.O Aug 06 09:49:40 here's been no decision on whether we need the C on SD or sw-fix will do Aug 06 09:49:50 no no, i won't do that (iread yor mail;)) and i understand it, i will search for it Aug 06 09:49:52 still nder evaluation Aug 06 09:50:14 http://www.millions.ca/~stacy/neoFreeRunner/gpstale.html was what i meant, but here are no capacitators fixes Aug 06 09:50:18 thanks for your time! Aug 06 09:51:08 np Aug 06 09:54:02 jOERG_rw: I saw unitless signal-noise figure changes - not how it works in practice in motion. Aug 06 09:54:28 jOERG_rw: Oh - pong Aug 06 09:54:34 * SpeedEvil just woke up. Aug 06 09:54:49 SpeedEvil: ye, that's about what I remember as well Aug 06 09:55:04 I'd test it, but... Aug 06 09:55:31 SpeedEvil: ave a look at http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics ! Aug 06 09:55:48 Oooh! Schematics of a jOERG! Aug 06 09:55:57 :D Aug 06 09:56:03 joergbot Aug 06 09:56:28 :) Aug 06 09:56:47 Awesome, thanks. Aug 06 09:56:48 I'm sure you will love the big black blob on sheet-10(?) Aug 06 09:57:07 infineon - NDA Aug 06 09:57:13 Oh well. Can't have everything. Aug 06 09:57:34 I'm not actually (much) concerned about that - more the annoying firmware update problem. Aug 06 09:57:44 yeah that's as good as it gets, probably Aug 06 09:57:57 GPS, GSM? what? Aug 06 09:58:14 jOERG_rw: another topic that was raised last night - replacement cases - any idea? Aug 06 09:58:17 we have lots of firmware Aug 06 09:58:20 GSM Aug 06 09:58:32 Though GPS firmware source would be lovely. Aug 06 09:58:37 cases: huh? Aug 06 09:58:53 jOERG_rw: someone was asking about a replacement case as they broke theirs. Aug 06 09:59:01 we published the complete files for the case Aug 06 09:59:13 ahh i S Aug 06 09:59:15 see Aug 06 09:59:42 jOERG_rw: and I was wondering as I have a wifi mod for GTA01 - but it'd require a case to hack with to see if I can get it to accurately fit. Aug 06 09:59:46 nope, no idea. that's marketing. Ask Steve! or michel, or Will, or... Aug 06 09:59:48 K Aug 06 10:00:02 Randomly, I found Iphone 3G uses the same GPS as GTA01 Aug 06 10:00:28 really, hey use u-blox chip? Aug 06 10:00:34 *they Aug 06 10:00:36 01 Aug 06 10:00:43 01 isnt u-blox its broadcom Aug 06 10:01:15 hammerhead whatever Aug 06 10:01:43 XorA: d'oh I broke kaiser with the patch adding polaris, because in linux kaiser I define SUPPORTED_MACHINE twice Aug 06 10:01:56 Thanks again jOERG_rw! Aug 06 10:02:14 SpeedEvil: gta01 is using infineon, see schematics (I **LOVE** to say this ;-) ) Aug 06 10:02:39 dcordes_: fixing Aug 06 10:02:46 ok thanks Aug 06 10:02:48 suggestions http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/gentoo/experimental/arm/embedded/stages/ Aug 06 10:03:26 softfloat? Aug 06 10:03:39 apple advertise the gps as assisted so presumably there is assistance server services for the gta01 then? Aug 06 10:03:58 jOERG_rw: yes - it's the same chip Aug 06 10:05:32 dcordes_: fixed in OE Aug 06 10:05:53 XorA: that was rapid, thanks again Aug 06 10:06:04 SpeedEvil: does this mean you volunteer to reverse engineer the iphone software :-) Aug 06 10:06:31 http://i.cmpnet.com/techonline/uth/pmiPhone_boardtopBIG.jpg Aug 06 10:07:21 (though no schematics :( ) Aug 06 10:07:51 XorA: no, but I may be designing my own GPS soon. Aug 06 10:09:41 shiiiiiit, they got THREE GSM-poweramps ? :-o Aug 06 10:10:05 strange design :-/ Aug 06 10:11:17 http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=5BQSIZ2SENTMWQSNDLRSKHSCJUNN2JVN?articleID=209000014 Aug 06 10:11:20 is the main article Aug 06 10:13:22 The price that (or is it others) articles mention for a BOM for the 3g is interesting - $100. Aug 06 10:13:29 (but that's at silly quantity) Aug 06 10:14:31 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * ra1d5896d7121 10/odeviced/ (7 files in 6 dirs): add task_play and task_stop to the audio plugin. NOTE: doesn't work yet :) Aug 06 10:16:53 SpeedEvil: could always get the night shift at chinese factory to make OM boards with a slightly different case :-D Aug 06 10:17:09 :) Aug 06 10:28:19 * cvdstap wants an orm database Aug 06 10:31:38 Sup3rkiddo: committing codes ;) Aug 06 10:32:01 AJuOnLiNE, yo Aug 06 10:36:11 Sup3rkiddo: hi, how you doing? Aug 06 10:38:05 opendeep, doing good, thanks :D Aug 06 10:45:59 Sup3rkiddo: on the device we have stripped down python. I used urllib2 module in application but it's not available in feeds and to install it manually , it's part of stdlib and not available as separate package. So how can I use that module? any idea...t Aug 06 10:46:40 opendeep: they are as separate packages Aug 06 10:46:47 i guess, theres a separate python-* package for that Aug 06 10:46:48 opendeep: opkg instasll python-urllib2 or something Aug 06 10:47:23 i have a hunch urllib is provided by some other package Aug 06 10:47:32 not python-urllib2 iirc Aug 06 10:49:25 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r27b92aface7c 10/ (20 files in 7 dirs): Aug 06 10:49:25 freesmartphone.org: Added the new style oeventsd module Aug 06 10:49:25 freesmartphone.org: This is quite a lot of changes, zhone should be updated to call the Events.Init method. Aug 06 10:49:25 freesmartphone.org: I hope I didn't break too many things :) Aug 06 10:56:35 Sup3rkiddo: Is it hunch urllib a separate package? tell me how do you install it? Aug 06 11:14:15 Yay schematics! Aug 06 11:17:28 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r956c180327e6 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [openmoko] Switch back debug mode Aug 06 11:19:43 where is the unix domain socket for the X server? /tmp/.X11-unix/X0?? Aug 06 11:22:02 The greatest thing about schematics like this is the hidden surprises. Just a quick look found for GTA01 two ADC inputs on test points, for instance Aug 06 11:22:22 Wait a moment, the RTC on the GTA01 CPU has a xtal on it? hm... Aug 06 11:22:44 Exactly. Aug 06 11:22:50 * SpeedEvil hands cesarb a puppy. Aug 06 11:22:55 * cesarb recalls something back when I was looking closer at cpufreq stuff where a xtal on the CPU RTC could be useful, but can't recall what it was... Aug 06 11:23:33 cesarb: now, complete the cpufreq code, and I'll take the puppy back. Aug 06 11:23:35 reading schematics on a puny 17" monitor is hard :( Aug 06 11:24:47 printed may be easier. Aug 06 11:25:10 SpeedEvil: first I'm going to try to fix the SD card code on 2.6.26, which is doing a null pointer deref for me :( (I decided to go to 2.6.26 instead of carrying forward several cherry-picked patches) Aug 06 11:25:22 :/ Aug 06 11:25:28 SpeedEvil: all printers I have access to are A4 only Aug 06 11:25:40 * SpeedEvil passes cesarb some sellotape. Aug 06 11:25:45 SpeedEvil: :D Aug 06 11:56:06 hi there i was setting up mokomake file and i get an error with linux-openmoko_2.6... anyone know if there is a fix ? Aug 06 12:01:54 dbmoodb_: i had same issue Aug 06 12:02:06 not solved til yesterday Aug 06 12:02:30 mmaestri: what's the solution ? Aug 06 12:02:37 i tried again, and always fail at that point Aug 06 12:02:44 cuz i well i'm ignoring it Aug 06 12:02:49 wish i know Aug 06 12:02:55 ... where does it output the ipkgs mmaestri ? Aug 06 12:04:32 openembedded/packages i think, but do a find -name *.ipk from where you call make, and it'll show up Aug 06 12:05:57 ok Aug 06 12:09:15 well that's great i can' make packages.. Aug 06 12:11:18 guys, which images do you run on the GTA02? Any recommendations? Aug 06 12:20:46 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rd6212e6e59ae 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [distro-feed-configs] set the right variables in openmoko.conf Aug 06 12:21:02 rofl Aug 06 12:27:05 hm Aug 06 12:27:32 im trying to get debian running on my fr, but I cant get usb0 to work Aug 06 12:27:47 Quai: it worked out of the box for me Aug 06 12:27:48 I added cdc_ether to /etc/modules, but im not sure if this is enough Aug 06 12:27:59 did you follow the guide on the wiki? Aug 06 12:28:08 I did Aug 06 12:28:09 hey can anyone tell me how we can customize the startup screen on the phone? Aug 06 12:29:11 Quai: it works... why do you ask ? Aug 06 12:29:15 hullo you lot. Aug 06 12:29:26 ecraven: I did the bootstrap version of the howto Aug 06 12:29:40 Quai: me too, twice, worked fine every time. what kernel do you use? Aug 06 12:29:46 what repos can I use with FSO II ? Aug 06 12:29:48 any > Aug 06 12:29:53 Quai: copy the /lib/modules from the one that works (distros /image) and copy the kernel .... boot ? Aug 06 12:30:09 gta02-latest Aug 06 12:30:12 Quai: um the config i posted that i got from a use for the touchscreen doesn't work -- got a better one ? Aug 06 12:30:33 sorry misread --- ecraven got a better version Aug 06 12:30:58 anyone got any tips on how to customize the boot screen? i want to put in my own theme Aug 06 12:31:14 okey, but let me try the prebuild filesystem first Aug 06 12:31:43 trupheenix: you would need to alter uboot i think it is / splash let me find the article for you Aug 06 12:31:55 you can download the modules from buildhost, there's a tarball for them Aug 06 12:32:14 you need Xfbdev or Xglamo for the X server to work, the one in debian never worked for me Aug 06 12:32:58 dbmoodb_: ok Aug 06 12:33:26 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Splash_screen Aug 06 12:34:31 ecraven: and the touchscreen config ? Aug 06 12:35:00 dbmoodb_: a bunch of environment variables, and you need to link libts to version 0.1 Aug 06 12:35:09 dbmoodb_: ok but i wanted to change the boot splash not the uboot splash. :( i think i would have to compile my own distro for that? Aug 06 12:35:20 oh want to write / tell me how to do that ? Aug 06 12:35:52 ecraven: can we use x from the openmoko image / distro ? (chrooted debian) Aug 06 12:35:57 dbmoodb_: well....let me hunt around Aug 06 12:37:01 dbmoodb_: yes, just copy /usr/bin/Xglamo (./Xfbdev) to /usr/bin in debian Aug 06 12:37:23 add this to your .bashrc export TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/dev/input/event1 Aug 06 12:38:47 ah is that for x from the openmoko image ? Aug 06 12:38:50 then as root, run this: ln -s /usr/lib/libts-0.0.so.0 /usr/lib/libts-1.0.so.0 Aug 06 12:38:52 yes Aug 06 12:39:03 cool Aug 06 12:39:20 ecraven: unfortantly mokomake is failing on me Aug 06 12:39:39 i never used mokomakefile, i copied everything i needed from the tarballs Aug 06 12:39:46 ecraven: what about the touch screen Aug 06 12:39:53 works fine Aug 06 12:39:55 ecraven: well ... i can't get linphone to work Aug 06 12:40:02 ecraven: ???... nar from debian Aug 06 12:40:07 it doesn't work for me ... Aug 06 12:40:15 i didn't try gsm so far (except for checking that the device works) Aug 06 12:40:26 ok.. but how did you configure the touchscreen ? Aug 06 12:40:30 in /etc/pointercal Aug 06 12:40:46 just copy that from the standard distribution Aug 06 12:40:59 i did that too and i got no luck Aug 06 12:41:31 are you actually using Xglamo/Xfbdev? Aug 06 12:42:28 ah i used the one from the wiki.. Aug 06 12:43:00 which is fbdev Aug 06 12:45:59 no, that only works for gta01 i think Aug 06 12:46:05 Xfbdev works fine, even with xrandr Aug 06 12:46:09 Xglamo only works in portrait mode Aug 06 12:46:49 hi again Aug 06 12:47:13 I am having problems with upgrading and installing with opkg Aug 06 12:47:53 e.g. I get * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gpe-filemanager: * gpe-icons Aug 06 12:48:42 i should really write this up on the wiki/Debian page ;( Aug 06 12:49:17 yeah dude Aug 06 12:49:32 if you start x, use "startx -- vt1" Aug 06 12:49:34 otherwise it won't work Aug 06 12:49:59 ecraven: so... what do i put for the config ? Aug 06 12:50:11 xorg.conf? the one from the wiki page Aug 06 12:50:11 on my gta02 ...UseFBDev or ..? Aug 06 12:50:24 you don't need a device section Aug 06 12:50:29 and nothing for the touch screen Aug 06 12:50:35 xglamo/xfbdev do that on their own Aug 06 12:50:39 so what ? don't modfile the file ? Aug 06 12:51:03 by default there is no xorg.conf Aug 06 12:51:19 hm.. i never tried, but probably it even works without one ;) try renaming it to xorg.conf.old Aug 06 12:51:19 what ? Aug 06 12:51:29 if you install debian, you get no xorg.conf Aug 06 12:51:36 yeah i installed xorg tho Aug 06 12:51:48 yes, still no xorg.conf (at least not the two times i tried it) Aug 06 12:51:56 what? Aug 06 12:52:06 ok... Aug 06 12:52:35 also, do the following: cd /usr/bin && mv X X.orig && ln -s Xfbdev X Aug 06 12:52:44 this should make X a symlink to Xfbdev Aug 06 12:54:24 ah ? Aug 06 12:54:30 where from ... Aug 06 12:54:47 on a console, doesn't matter, cd /usr/bin will get you to the right directory Aug 06 12:54:51 guys, opkg upgrade floods me with errors: http://wklej.org/id/606babe8e8 Aug 06 12:54:54 i'm on debian atm Aug 06 12:54:59 I have *no* idea how to get over those Aug 06 12:55:07 should i move to the other distro ? Aug 06 12:55:17 dbmoodb_: what are you trying to do? install debian on the FR? Aug 06 12:55:28 yah... Aug 06 12:55:30 i have it on it Aug 06 12:55:33 is -force-overwrite a good idea? Aug 06 12:56:05 then ssh into your freerunner, and run the following as root: mv /usr/bin/X /usr/bin/X.orig && ln -s /usr/bin/Xfbdev /usr/bin/X Aug 06 12:56:30 if you did all the other things i said, you should have a working X server with correct calibration Aug 06 12:56:33 sure thing Aug 06 12:57:54 ecraven: message me and start again Aug 06 12:58:54 i don't have any /usr/bin/XFDEV Aug 06 12:59:39 yes, that's because you need to copy Xfbdev and Xglamo *from* FSO/ASU/2008.8/2007.2 Aug 06 12:59:44 ah Aug 06 12:59:48 yah i did ask Aug 06 12:59:50 as i told you ;) Aug 06 12:59:53 on Aug 06 12:59:56 mickey_away, poke Aug 06 12:59:57 no -- go read above.. Aug 06 12:59:59 meh on well Aug 06 13:00:05 will fix it now Aug 06 13:00:35 How are you gentlemen? Aug 06 13:00:58 dbmoodb_: as i said, copy it from another distro to debian 2008-08-06 14:37 dbmoodb_: yes, just copy /usr/bin/Xglamo (./Xfbdev) to /usr/bin in debian Aug 06 13:01:01 Dave: fine ;) Aug 06 13:01:13 ecraven: doesn't matter lets see if we can get this to work Aug 06 13:01:26 you then said that was for chroot Aug 06 13:01:35 i never said a single word about chroot Aug 06 13:01:54 Hallo ecraven! :) Aug 06 13:02:03 What's new? Aug 06 13:02:10 you have a chrooted debian on your freerunner? Aug 06 13:02:45 ecraven: what ? Aug 06 13:02:48 i was running debian Aug 06 13:02:53 yes i have a chroot Aug 06 13:03:21 on the freerunner? Aug 06 13:03:28 YES Aug 06 13:03:30 :) Aug 06 13:03:39 so you are not booting into debian? Aug 06 13:03:51 ecraven: had booted into it Aug 06 13:04:05 * Dave runs ecraven inside a jail Aug 06 13:04:15 i did all the setup on my laptop, and only booted after that was done Aug 06 13:04:33 :D Aug 06 13:04:35 dbmoodb_: so go and boot into debian on your neo, then ssh into it, then tell me Aug 06 13:04:54 hey all, where can I find information about using frameworkd ? Aug 06 13:04:56 ok ... one second Aug 06 13:05:04 1 Aug 06 13:06:35 ecraven: you are very hard to follow you know Aug 06 13:06:53 ;) that's because i don't know what you are doing Aug 06 13:08:18 Ecraven, what are YOU doing? Aug 06 13:08:51 guys, where can I get gpe-icons package? i't not in the angstrom nor ScaredyCat repos (at least, not for GTA02 cpu...) Aug 06 13:08:58 reading about the X protocol and waiting for dbmoodb_, and thinking whether it should install debian again, to remember what i did exactly Aug 06 13:09:00 Dave: i agree with you Aug 06 13:09:29 :) Aug 06 13:09:47 Ainulindale, is the dialer application complete now? Aug 06 13:09:52 llo Dave! Aug 06 13:09:54 been a while Aug 06 13:10:57 ffs Aug 06 13:11:03 ecraven: yep ecraven its not working Aug 06 13:11:22 what is not working? what errors do you get? Aug 06 13:11:37 none the touchscreen doesn't respond Aug 06 13:11:46 what did you do? Aug 06 13:11:51 i did as you said Aug 06 13:11:59 if you boot debian, X doesn't start by itself Aug 06 13:12:04 GDM Aug 06 13:12:17 how do I see battery charging percentage on my freerunner? Aug 06 13:12:19 ecraven: are you trying to help me or break my debian installation ? Aug 06 13:12:22 can someone fix the tar on the wiki so you have an on screen kb installed Aug 06 13:12:31 dbmoodb_: depends on you, i can only tell you what i did ;) Aug 06 13:12:34 when running debian Aug 06 13:12:46 and i don't use gdm, i autoboot into X Aug 06 13:12:50 dns53: i would if i can get it working Aug 06 13:13:00 ecraven: great but i wanted to use gdm Aug 06 13:13:08 fine, then we should get your X server working Aug 06 13:13:23 its working there is just no input via the touchscreen Aug 06 13:13:32 now, if you use GDM, you need to add the export TSLIB.. line to /etc/profile Aug 06 13:13:45 because gdm does not run as your user, but as root Aug 06 13:13:48 oh i see Aug 06 13:13:53 so where exactly ? Aug 06 13:13:58 at the end Aug 06 13:14:00 i could add it to the gdm init no ? Aug 06 13:14:05 probably Aug 06 13:14:09 i don't use gdm ;) Aug 06 13:14:15 it needs to be visible to gdm Aug 06 13:14:20 set gdm to auto login Aug 06 13:14:33 dns53: try not atm Aug 06 13:14:53 what does "ls /usr/bin/X -la" say exactly? Aug 06 13:15:18 dbmoodb_: also as root run: "chmod +s /usr/bin/Xglamo && chmod +s /usr/bin/Xfbdev" Aug 06 13:15:50 ls /usr/bin/X -la Aug 06 13:15:51 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Aug 6 12:42 /usr/bin/X -> Xfbdev Aug 06 13:15:58 very good ;) Aug 06 13:16:09 "ls -la /usr/bin/Xfbdev" also please Aug 06 13:16:33 ls -la /usr/bin/Xfbdev Aug 06 13:16:33 and "ls -la /usr/lib/libts-*" Aug 06 13:16:33 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1016996 Aug 6 12:39 /usr/bin/Xfbdev Aug 06 13:16:53 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Aug 6 06:30 /usr/lib/libts-0.0.so.0 -> libts-0.0.so.0.1.1 Aug 06 13:16:56 dbmoodb_: the first - needs to be an s, it should change if you run the "chmod.." i pasted Aug 06 13:16:57 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6468 Feb 3 2008 /usr/lib/libts-0.0.so.0.1.1 Aug 06 13:16:59 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 Aug 6 12:41 /usr/lib/libts-1.0.so.0 -> /usr/lib/libts-0.0.so.0 Aug 06 13:17:14 ah .... i'm not running gdm suid root dude Aug 06 13:17:17 looks good Aug 06 13:17:27 yes, but the X server needs to be suid root, i think Aug 06 13:17:52 ecraven: debian has done what it needs for me already Aug 06 13:18:03 ? Aug 06 13:18:48 i'm setting it in xorg Aug 06 13:19:31 does anyone have a working /etc/opkg/ configuration Aug 06 13:19:52 the one oft the asu image yesterday is broken by default Aug 06 13:20:03 bumbl: no, and guys here don't seem even a bit helpful today Aug 06 13:20:10 Bumble! Aug 06 13:20:11 and the feeds of that http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/opkg-asu.tar.gz Aug 06 13:20:13 are dead Aug 06 13:20:16 Davy Aug 06 13:20:47 bumbl: I am trying to iron problems with opkg repos for 3hrs, and as of yet nobody even cared to answer Aug 06 13:20:57 hmm Aug 06 13:21:04 What new? Aug 06 13:21:07 rysiek: i would, but i don't use opkg Aug 06 13:21:44 ecraven: mmm how would i autologin ? Aug 06 13:21:47 dns53: ? Aug 06 13:22:27 dbmoodb_: the way i did it was to use mingetty in /etc/inittab to automatically log a user in, and then add startx -- vt1 (within a check for tty1) in .bash_profile Aug 06 13:22:29 in the gdm config there is an option give me a sec Aug 06 13:22:34 ecraven: sorry, I am just getting frustrated as hell Aug 06 13:22:48 rysiek: i understand ;) that's why i switched to debian, i don't like angström Aug 06 13:22:51 Dave: nothing; but someone cares about us; a book was written titled "house of horrors" by nigel cawthorne; negative publicity for austria Aug 06 13:22:59 * XorA just fixed the problem on buildhost with feed configs Aug 06 13:23:30 I can upload a fixed package if people need Aug 06 13:23:32 dbmoodb_ security > enable automatic login, there is an option in the gdm config you can set Aug 06 13:23:36 ok Aug 06 13:24:02 lol, and of course it is about amstetten.. fast writer Aug 06 13:24:09 yes Aug 06 13:24:21 bumble :O Aug 06 13:24:21 XorA: does this mean that there is a chance installing gpe-filemanager and openmoko-dates2 actually *might* succeed? ;) Aug 06 13:24:28 Self-hating austrians? Aug 06 13:24:44 rysiek: depends if they are in the repo and what you are trying to do Aug 06 13:24:46 where is that ? Aug 06 13:24:52 dns53: just put enable automatic login ? Aug 06 13:24:58 rysiek: mixing ASU and buildhost is probably a bad plan Aug 06 13:25:03 Dave: actually the author is english Aug 06 13:25:05 XorA: I am trying to opkg install openmoko-dates2 and gpe-filemanager Aug 06 13:25:11 G'day all. I haven't been able to find a recent u-boot image to flash, did they disappear from the website? Aug 06 13:25:30 yes, let me check my gdm.conf in another computer Aug 06 13:25:47 XorA: you will probably have to explain "ASU" and "buildhost" to a n00b here, although I will try to find it in the wiki... again Aug 06 13:25:58 rysiek: what image are you using? Aug 06 13:26:04 rysiek: where did you get it Aug 06 13:26:25 XorA: whichever image came a month ago on my Neo FreeRunner Aug 06 13:26:42 rysiek: ah, then you want to flash a fresh image most likelu Aug 06 13:26:50 rysiek: save a lot of faffing about Aug 06 13:26:50 AutomaticLoginEnable=true AutomaticLogin=username Aug 06 13:27:02 ok Aug 06 13:27:14 rysiek: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080806/ Aug 06 13:27:34 Dave: it seems Austria is only famous for five things: the sound of music, mozart, certain basements, and a certain fuehrer Aug 06 13:27:39 XorA: darn, I have hoped opkg upgrade will do the trick Aug 06 13:27:45 skiing! Aug 06 13:27:46 bumbl: kangaroos Aug 06 13:27:46 but those images will have a broken opkg configure Aug 06 13:27:55 and abysmal football players ;) Aug 06 13:28:01 XorA: I don't exactly feel comfy with loosing my contacts, msgs, etc Aug 06 13:28:14 rysiek: it would, but the phone would run out of memory before you finished the upgrade Aug 06 13:28:46 rysiek: back them up then Aug 06 13:28:57 XorA: actually, the upgrade went through, although I suppose I would need to change the repo defs to upgrade to the image you are talking about, right? Aug 06 13:29:07 ecraven: oh I forgot to write skiing; but counted it in Aug 06 13:29:31 rysiek: you need to edit the files in /etc/opkg/ to point to these feeds http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/ Aug 06 13:30:20 dns53: didn't work Aug 06 13:30:22 XorA: would you mind uploading a correct opkg folder? Aug 06 13:30:38 SpeedEvil: :D Aug 06 13:31:21 XorA: ...but, as pointed out already, the phone would run out of memory before completing the upgrade, correct? Aug 06 13:31:55 bumbl: http://people.openmoko.org/graeme/ Aug 06 13:32:08 get rid of gdm and just call: su username -C startx Aug 06 13:32:10 rysiek: I think it would, almost every package is changed Aug 06 13:32:33 startx -- vt1 Aug 06 13:32:37 startx alone won't work Aug 06 13:32:45 bumbl: stick that on your device and install itr Aug 06 13:32:50 oh, it just might actually Aug 06 13:33:10 thank you Aug 06 13:33:58 rysiek: as a developer I rarely do an ipkg upgrade, I normally reflash as by the time I finished my phone is buggered Aug 06 13:34:11 ? Aug 06 13:34:13 /usr/bin/startx: line 168: /dev/null: Permission denied Aug 06 13:34:15 ? Aug 06 13:34:16 bumble :) Aug 06 13:34:34 XorA: you mean to say that opkg upgrades brake things? Aug 06 13:34:41 meh, not good Aug 06 13:34:54 dbmoodb_, just guessing /dev mounted nodev? ;> Aug 06 13:34:59 rysiek: no, I mean to say, when Ive finished editing files on the device to test suff, its normally broken Aug 06 13:35:09 XorA: ah, right Aug 06 13:35:30 XorA: ok, looking into backup options in the wiki... thanks. Aug 06 13:35:37 perhaps... Aug 06 13:36:09 good thing booting all of debian takes only 1 min Aug 06 13:36:25 :D Aug 06 13:36:57 Ecraven, are you still trying to get certain things working in that department, then? Aug 06 13:38:09 openmoko: 03andy 07andy * rc7994820c491 10/board/neo1973/ (common/udc.c gta02/gta02.c): fix-broken-usb-handed-to-linux.patch Aug 06 13:38:09 openmoko: 03andy 07andy * r8e307f5847af 10/ (common/cmd_bootm.c drivers/usb/usbdcore_s3c2410.c): fix-kill-endpoints-before-linux.patch Aug 06 13:38:10 openmoko: 03andy 07andy * re8be8149e66a 10/drivers/ (serial/usbtty.c usb/usbdcore.c usb/usbdcore_s3c2410.c): fix-stop-sitting-printing-in-time-critical-context.patch Aug 06 13:38:10 openmoko: 03andy 07andy * raa9b0ea7a1c9 10/board/neo1973/gta02/gta02.c: fix-dont-do-i2c-with-irqs-off.patch Aug 06 13:38:13 openmoko: 03simon.kagstrom 07andy * r64eb10cab805 10/board/neo1973/gta02/gta02.c: environment-option-to-stop-in-menu.patch Aug 06 13:38:16 openmoko: 03andy 07andy * r676aebf919b8 10/board/neo1973/gta02/pcf50633.c: fix-lcm-backlight-1A-current-limit.patch Aug 06 13:38:17 kekeke Aug 06 13:38:19 andyspam Aug 06 13:38:27 LinuxInit: Cannot open /dev/tty255 (No such file or directory) Aug 06 13:38:37 Hi. on FSO, how should this command line actually read: dbus-send --system --dest=org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX org.freedesktop.DBus.Introspectable org.freedesktop.DBus.Introspectable.Introspect Aug 06 13:39:12 apparently it is .. Aug 06 13:40:09 what is a good version of uboot to flash? Aug 06 13:40:12 nomeata: on FSO id just use mdbus Aug 06 13:40:13 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/mdbus Aug 06 13:40:25 nomeata: easier, less typing :) Aug 06 13:41:20 trickie|work: well, it’s not really FSO, it’s debian trying to become FSO, but I’ll just package that Aug 06 13:41:48 ah ? any ideas... Aug 06 13:42:31 I see on the -dev list mention of an August 06 2008 image of 2008.08 but I don't see where to find this image, can anyone point me to it? Aug 06 13:43:02 one last question - where is the contact list being kept on the filesystem? in /home/root? Aug 06 13:44:04 ok nevermind fixed --- Aug 06 13:44:37 Nevermind, I found them on the WIki. :) Aug 06 13:44:59 Dave: what department? Aug 06 13:45:01 * Dave por joerg Aug 06 13:45:06 ecraven, the debian department! Aug 06 13:45:08 :) Aug 06 13:45:42 what is the terminal text editor called? Aug 06 13:46:08 vi? Aug 06 13:46:23 thx Aug 06 13:46:50 ecraven: ah... i'm getting some /dev/tty255 error Aug 06 13:47:58 dbmoodb: as i said, startx -- vt1 Aug 06 13:48:03 Dave: aye, things work very well ;) Aug 06 13:48:07 but there is no good software ;( Aug 06 13:48:14 aha, ;P Aug 06 13:48:15 yeah Aug 06 13:48:16 somebody caled my name :-D Aug 06 13:48:22 Joerg - Yes! Aug 06 13:48:23 :D Aug 06 13:48:30 idid that .. oh -- Aug 06 13:49:06 uch file or directory (errno 2): unable to connect to X server Aug 06 13:49:10 what is the error exactly? Aug 06 13:49:11 sorry it was a Aug 06 13:49:18 uch file or directory (errno 2): unable to connect to X server Aug 06 13:49:20 damn it Aug 06 13:49:26 error opening security policy file /usr/lib/xserver/SecurityPolicy Aug 06 13:49:27 Extended Input Devices not yet supported. Impelement it at line 637 in kinput.c Aug 06 13:49:29 Failed to open TSLib device, tried /dev/ts /dev/touchscreen/0 . Aug 06 13:49:35 Ecraven, so what can you do with it then, just use tango and vim? :) Aug 06 13:50:05 dbmoodb: export TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/dev/input/event1 Aug 06 13:50:13 Dave: you can ssh to a phone; enough to play Aug 06 13:50:25 Extended Input Devices not yet supported. Impelement it at line 637 in kinput.c Aug 06 13:50:30 jOERG_rw: you're german right? Do you have UTF-8 working properly (thinking about umlauts, åäöß etc) Aug 06 13:50:45 dbmoodb: that warning is normal, not a problem Aug 06 13:50:56 Ääääh, dürfte schon klappen Aug 06 13:50:58 bloody asu Aug 06 13:51:01 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r23d54a3de846 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-settings] Bump up the reversion of om-settings to 66 Aug 06 13:51:11 not on FR though Aug 06 13:51:22 never tried Aug 06 13:51:28 jOERG_rw: I mean in the terminal on the openmoko :) (and I'm swedish and don't understand a word german, nicht gesprechen deucht) Aug 06 13:51:30 ok well that's great but i can't right click on it Aug 06 13:51:32 or open anything .. Aug 06 13:51:38 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc6e6abc5195e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-settings] Bump up the reversion of om-settings to 66 Aug 06 13:52:05 jOERG_rw: I used ssh to the machine I'm IRC:ing from right now, but all umlauts was fubared so I guess it has something with locales on the FR to do Aug 06 13:52:25 I'll bug report on trac after work (Mickey told med to) Aug 06 13:52:53 yup, guess thats $locale, $lang etc Aug 06 13:53:48 but I had a look at `man locale` maybe years ago... and don't know much about sw-config Aug 06 13:54:22 Joerg, freemyphone please :D Aug 06 13:54:48 anyway, time to pack my things and have a taxidrive around 101-tower Aug 06 13:54:58 :o Aug 06 13:55:25 Well, maybe I can find another German here, then :P Aug 06 13:55:32 err taxiride Aug 06 13:55:47 * Dave eyes bumble suspiciously. Aug 06 13:55:53 http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/guide-localization.xml Aug 06 13:55:54 hmm. I think I installed gsm0710muxd correctly, but mdbus -s does not show it. system.d and services files are installed. any ideas? Aug 06 13:56:01 LINT! Aug 06 13:56:05 the instructions are essentially non-specific to gentoo Aug 06 13:56:15 hey dave! Aug 06 13:56:18 so, with om2008.8, anything i should know about ssh'ing in>? Aug 06 13:56:18 Hey :) Aug 06 13:56:18 [Whois] bumbl ist n=bumbl@91-113-117-96.adsl.highway.telekom.at (bumbl) Aug 06 13:56:19 dbmoodb: no right click, though it is possible to rig the aux button to create right clicks Aug 06 13:56:22 because i can't now :( Aug 06 13:56:43 Joerg, he is no german, then! :[ Aug 06 13:56:52 * Dave hunts more germans Aug 06 13:56:52 :-D Aug 06 13:56:55 ecraven: nice idea Aug 06 13:57:01 how so ? Aug 06 13:57:21 .at sure isn't Germany ;-) Aug 06 13:57:26 * dbmoodb i'm actually more concerned with wifi and voip (sound) Aug 06 13:57:28 :P Aug 06 13:57:32 Dave: no I am not Aug 06 13:57:42 Joerg, I get the impression that sometimes they wish they were, though ;) Aug 06 13:57:42 austria != germany Aug 06 13:57:46 jOERG_rw, except when it comes time to name mozart as the best german composer ;) Aug 06 13:58:08 yu Aug 06 13:58:11 yup Aug 06 13:58:32 :p Aug 06 13:58:40 ieatlint, haha Aug 06 13:58:50 bumble, what language do you speak though? :P Aug 06 13:58:58 we speek german Aug 06 13:59:18 hmmmm ;-) Aug 06 13:59:23 i question that, having heard schwarzenegger "speak german" Aug 06 13:59:38 :D Aug 06 14:01:02 well there are actually even very few Germans speaking German. So nevermind ;-) Aug 06 14:01:26 :P Aug 06 14:01:28 haha, yeah Aug 06 14:01:35 Joerg, fortunately, for us, I suppose, you are one of them :D Aug 06 14:01:39 but the last time austria = germany austria was called Ostmark Aug 06 14:01:41 my german sucks, but i might have better grammar just the same Aug 06 14:01:48 1305 unread msgs :-/ Aug 06 14:01:53 haha Aug 06 14:01:56 * jOERG_rw powers down laptop Aug 06 14:02:06 Don't leave us, Joerg :( Aug 06 14:02:10 XorA: should I download jffs, jffs.summary or tar.gz? Aug 06 14:02:25 *jffs2.nosummary Aug 06 14:02:32 rysiek: jffs2 Aug 06 14:02:34 Dave: what language do you speak? Aug 06 14:02:39 * Dave hides Aug 06 14:02:48 he speaks bad english Aug 06 14:02:58 english? so you are an englishman Aug 06 14:03:06 XorA: thanks Aug 06 14:03:07 I SPEAK GRATE ENGLISCH! Aug 06 14:03:10 he's no englishman Aug 06 14:03:11 pidgin :-D Aug 06 14:03:27 OMG HE CAN HAS ENGILHS Aug 06 14:03:35 "me talk the english good" Aug 06 14:03:40 Dave is a defector Aug 06 14:03:46 :D :D :D Aug 06 14:03:51 jajaja ;p Aug 06 14:03:55 hei zorkman ;) Aug 06 14:04:06 all your base are belong to us Aug 06 14:04:08 he was banned from here ;) Aug 06 14:04:17 s'kjera? Aug 06 14:04:30 Der Dativ ist dem Genitiv sein Tod Aug 06 14:04:57 Oh man, compound german words are so amusing. Aug 06 14:05:01 ieatlint: ja leider Aug 06 14:05:07 :) Aug 06 14:05:10 way better than those incomprehensible Finnish ones. Aug 06 14:05:32 bye, bbl Aug 06 14:05:34 true, plus in germany, everything is "geil" :-D Aug 06 14:05:36 Bye Joerg! Aug 06 14:05:40 bye jörg Aug 06 14:05:45 tschüss Aug 06 14:05:45 Wave. Aug 06 14:05:47 Don't forget to read your msgs! :P Aug 06 14:05:52 Speedevil? Aug 06 14:06:11 snakkes Aug 06 14:06:23 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rd9b731099af6 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/generic.py: ousaged: Make the Bluetooth device actually (de-)activate bluetooth Aug 06 14:06:38 Zork, what happens when an idiot translates things into english: http://picasaweb.google.com/ieatlint/Alt/photo#4984514648119050258 Aug 06 14:06:43 Terminatored! Aug 06 14:06:43 (from geil) Aug 06 14:07:11 Ieatlint, what happens? your head explodes? Aug 06 14:07:24 interesting choice of words Aug 06 14:07:24 lol :) Aug 06 14:07:32 your laughter organ overloads? Aug 06 14:08:25 this is also nice: http://rahoi.com/2006/03/may-i-take-your-order/ Aug 06 14:08:32 o.O Aug 06 14:08:43 * bumbl wonders what would be the correct translation Aug 06 14:09:05 any way to get the 200808 to connect via usb ? Aug 06 14:09:09 probably something even nastier :) Aug 06 14:09:14 does it use the same addy ? Aug 06 14:09:25 -Zorkman- hou je van barbecuen? :P Aug 06 14:09:30 fine, but do they have the smartest servants in town and horny sandwiches? Aug 06 14:09:33 jup I do Dave Aug 06 14:09:38 :D Aug 06 14:10:42 ieatlint: who needs that shit when they have fragrant egg plant in fish pot?? that shit is da bomb! :) Aug 06 14:11:05 matholio: what do you mean by 200808 Aug 06 14:11:10 what are some cool apps that don't require internet access to demo the phone? Aug 06 14:11:15 :P Aug 06 14:11:18 Xora: he means the ASU probably Aug 06 14:11:18 hmm we should create a chan like #openmoko-chat Aug 06 14:11:30 XorA, asu has been renamed Aug 06 14:11:31 Xora, August 2008 Aug 06 14:11:34 ieatlint: epiano Aug 06 14:11:34 :O Aug 06 14:11:38 gtg, cu all Aug 06 14:11:40 ieatlint, it has!? Aug 06 14:11:49 August Software Update? Aug 06 14:11:50 :P Aug 06 14:11:57 ieatlint: vmware monkey island 2 Aug 06 14:11:58 * XorA as an OM employee is well aware of ASU name, but that is 2008.8, where buildhost has a directory called 200808 Aug 06 14:12:09 bumble, more like #openmoko-comfort :P Aug 06 14:12:19 yeah I know you work at openmoko, it was a joke Aug 06 14:12:26 to console all the poor gullible people who bought this device thinking it would be a functional phone. Aug 06 14:12:49 Zork XD Aug 06 14:12:55 ieatlint: tangogps Aug 06 14:13:00 * XorA terminates Zork for humour Aug 06 14:13:06 :O Aug 06 14:13:08 ieatlintnumptyphysics Aug 06 14:13:27 >.O Aug 06 14:13:35 goddamn, gregory probably has mu IMEI number and will nuke it when II opkg upgrade or flash it... Aug 06 14:13:35 yeah, tangogps won't cut it... no signal Aug 06 14:14:00 ieatling: for numptyphysics best have a pop-up button for keyboard Aug 06 14:14:06 opkg murder Aug 06 14:14:27 numptyphysik is nice Aug 06 14:14:36 but I fail most of the time Aug 06 14:14:43 frans ~_~ Aug 06 14:15:02 zork, wat are you talking about? :D Aug 06 14:15:07 numpty? Aug 06 14:15:15 num num numpty? Aug 06 14:15:21 <- afk Aug 06 14:15:22 Numpty Dumpty sat on a wall? Aug 06 14:15:24 resting Aug 06 14:15:31 Dave: numptyphysics is a game, a sort of clone of crayon physics Aug 06 14:15:36 dave: install it now! :) Aug 06 14:15:40 you'll like it Aug 06 14:15:42 o_O Aug 06 14:15:48 weer do I get it? :D Aug 06 14:16:08 opkg install numptyphysics works i think (or are you running debian also?) Aug 06 14:16:24 :P Aug 06 14:16:26 http://wwwpub.zih.tu-dresden.de/~mkluge/numptyphysics_0.2_armv4t.ipk Aug 06 14:16:28 Not on most of my phones :D Aug 06 14:16:31 ooooooh Aug 06 14:16:35 more german pride? :P Aug 06 14:16:50 they couldn't take over eurpe so they decided to take over cyberspace Aug 06 14:17:10 Dave: you should check #neo1973-germany you could make a lot of german jokes there :p Aug 06 14:17:30 :o Aug 06 14:17:36 I'm glad they're there though, they made a few beautiful things (including epiano, which i very much like) Aug 06 14:17:38 haha Aug 06 14:17:45 yeah :P Aug 06 14:17:48 epiano? :o Aug 06 14:18:12 http://www.neo1973-germany.de/wiki/epiano Aug 06 14:18:19 We need to change the splashscreen image -_- Aug 06 14:18:38 http://gstaedtner.net/projects/epiano/epiano_0.0.1-r1_armv4t.ipk (source tarball also available of course) Aug 06 14:19:24 Zorkman, do you have a project page for that numpty thing too? :P Aug 06 14:20:02 https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=638 Aug 06 14:20:05 I have it all :) Aug 06 14:20:13 except the knowledge to do something useful :) Aug 06 14:20:21 :o Aug 06 14:20:24 jejeje Aug 06 14:20:50 where do you get sdl> Aug 06 14:21:04 dns, from the package repository Aug 06 14:21:14 mocd Aug 06 14:21:22 not in the asu i don't think Aug 06 14:21:28 heh Aug 06 14:22:43 oh it's there but the names are broken Aug 06 14:22:58 libsdl-1.2-0 Aug 06 14:23:49 * Zork his original screenprotector is beyond repair and still waiting for a new one :( Aug 06 14:23:59 awww Aug 06 14:24:08 yeah, am in need of a neew one Aug 06 14:24:13 kittens scratch screens! Aug 06 14:24:28 * Dave wonders if Speedevil's product is cat-proof :P Aug 06 14:24:35 what one are you using? Aug 06 14:24:51 i went for the invisibleshield Aug 06 14:24:59 full one? Aug 06 14:24:59 haha Aug 06 14:25:11 dns, I installed them all. Aug 06 14:25:20 yeah (dollar is low :)) but not sure if i will use full one, screen is a must though Aug 06 14:25:33 Zork, phone condom. Aug 06 14:25:40 safety first! Aug 06 14:25:51 before you get down 'n dirty! Aug 06 14:25:53 :D Aug 06 14:25:59 how do you restart a level in numphysics Aug 06 14:26:05 ;o Aug 06 14:26:06 press r Aug 06 14:26:23 e for edit, p for previous, n for next, enter/space for pause Aug 06 14:26:46 i just installed openmoko with qemu, but the qtopia image seems to not do much Aug 06 14:27:06 How do I install it? :P Aug 06 14:27:23 opkg install :P Aug 06 14:27:38 needs more german Aug 06 14:28:03 you can draw a german and/or a cowbell in the program Aug 06 14:28:12 COWBELL! Aug 06 14:28:16 MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Aug 06 14:28:21 :D Aug 06 14:28:33 ecraven: how do you get the keyboard to pop up ? Aug 06 14:28:42 Holy shit, my opkg cache is bigger than the phone. Aug 06 14:29:00 are there no apps in om/qtopia? Aug 06 14:29:08 thats why you need the full body protection: to keep the opkg cashe inside Aug 06 14:29:21 sakkara, there are a lot of apps in om/qtopia Aug 06 14:29:42 dbmoodb: the instructions are on the wiki and on the mailinglist Aug 06 14:29:43 :P Aug 06 14:29:58 zork, just not all of them work [well[ ;P Aug 06 14:30:11 Zork: but i can't do anything after qtopia boots in qemu Aug 06 14:30:28 yeah i had the same thing, had to use a 2007.2 image Aug 06 14:30:50 there is a good page (not on the wiki of course...) about it... somewhere.... on the internets... Aug 06 14:30:58 dbmoodb: i added a button with mb-applet-launcher Aug 06 14:31:01 lol Aug 06 14:31:03 i'll do a quick google but i don't promise anything Aug 06 14:31:15 2007.2 sounds old Aug 06 14:31:33 thx Aug 06 14:32:12 opkg install --all awesome games :D Aug 06 14:32:42 fucking opkg, using up all my memories :( Aug 06 14:33:19 sakkara: so does Lili Marleen, but that is german and built to last! :) Aug 06 14:37:30 sorry can't seem to find it sakkara Aug 06 14:40:14 Zork: ok, np Aug 06 14:43:23 ecraven: so we just use xorg / apps from the chroot in another distros ? Aug 06 14:44:52 no, i install everything i want in debian. i'll try the python framework too when it's done ;) Aug 06 14:45:17 ecraven: ?' Aug 06 14:45:32 apt-get install ... ? Aug 06 14:45:32 :P Aug 06 14:46:12 yeah i know but i want to use the apps from another distro Aug 06 14:46:22 as well as from debian Aug 06 14:46:35 that might be problematic, if you don't have the exact same libraries Aug 06 14:46:37 Zorkman, more games please! Aug 06 14:46:51 mmm Aug 06 14:46:52 ecraven: can't i tunnel x over ssh ? Aug 06 14:46:53 kobodeluxe? Aug 06 14:46:59 no, it sucks :( Aug 06 14:47:03 and the phone already has it! Aug 06 14:47:09 Give me more... Aug 06 14:47:16 MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER! Aug 06 14:47:25 gemdropx Aug 06 14:47:31 dbmoodb: yes, you could run applications inside the chroot (you don't even need ssh forwarding for that) Aug 06 14:47:42 gemdrop? sounds like an awful popcap game. Aug 06 14:47:54 but then you couldn't access your "normal" directories, for example Aug 06 14:47:56 not very user friendly because you have to pop the keboard up and hit a all and then pop it down, but it is playable Aug 06 14:47:59 have to run, see you later ;) Aug 06 14:48:16 Bye Ecraven :[ Aug 06 14:48:29 Zork, eww Aug 06 14:48:34 that sounds awful! :D Aug 06 14:48:54 supertux, but you need a keyboard for that too... :( Aug 06 14:48:55 I need a tiny collapsable bt kb, if they're cheap and don't suck terribly Aug 06 14:49:00 i also have tetris :) Aug 06 14:49:24 what game? Aug 06 14:49:35 gpe tetris Aug 06 14:49:41 but as you can guess: keyboard... Aug 06 14:49:50 -_- Aug 06 14:49:52 sucky Aug 06 14:50:16 e piano could be modified to make a kind of "simon says" game, where you have to replay it (for little children) Aug 06 14:50:29 the biggest fail of the keyboard, other than the impossibly tiny keys is that it takes up >35% of the screen real-estate (if you're using matchbox) Aug 06 14:50:34 so if half your screen is gone, wtf Aug 06 14:50:34 and all the scummvm games Aug 06 14:50:51 tetris gpe only takes half your screen i think, need to check it though Aug 06 14:50:52 zorkman, do you run scummvm on it? Aug 06 14:51:02 i did when i had the asu installed Aug 06 14:51:08 oh :\ Aug 06 14:51:10 (it was possible in landscape mode) Aug 06 14:51:20 possible, but fucked up? :x Aug 06 14:51:23 on 2007.2 there is still that wrong offset thing... Aug 06 14:51:33 ah, yeah, with the pointer? :p Aug 06 14:51:34 nope, possible and usable Aug 06 14:51:45 the "x" problem :p Aug 06 14:51:50 usable :O Aug 06 14:51:55 jup Aug 06 14:51:57 too bad the rest of ASU isn't usuable, huh? ;) Aug 06 14:52:31 monkey island worked, i only didn't have a pop-up keyboard then in the asu (i edited the edj file but it would work..) so you couldn't go back to the menu Aug 06 14:52:36 Zork so it runs fine then on GTK, just can't do landscape properly? Aug 06 14:52:36 There was a palm-graffiti stroke input clone being developed? Aug 06 14:52:46 Dave: havent tried it yet Aug 06 14:52:54 why would you need a keyboard for mki1-2? Aug 06 14:53:07 nope, no keyboard required, just to go back to the menu... Aug 06 14:53:14 right Aug 06 14:53:17 menu? Aug 06 14:53:23 to quit scummvm Aug 06 14:53:28 OH Aug 06 14:53:29 :P Aug 06 14:53:47 it can also be usefull to skip the intro and such, withouth the kb i had to watch the whole intro :) Aug 06 14:54:01 i ran indiana jones 4 also on it, but withouth keyboard that seemed pretty useless Aug 06 14:54:40 uhh, the link on the epiano site to gstaedtner 404's ~_~ Aug 06 14:54:46 io think ecraven or edistar modified a game name steel fighter (or fighting steel or whatever) so he could do a right-button click Aug 06 14:54:47 zork, haha, nice Aug 06 14:55:03 sounds awesome :D Aug 06 14:55:19 jup and the screen/sound quality was also nice Aug 06 14:55:38 wow, :D Aug 06 14:55:43 That's very encouraging :) Aug 06 14:55:49 I can't wait to try it. Aug 06 14:55:57 I hope there isn't an awful amount of configuration required though ;) Aug 06 14:56:09 nope, almost none Aug 06 14:56:17 :D Aug 06 14:56:20 awesome Aug 06 14:56:34 If only my freerunner had enough space though :P Aug 06 14:56:36 haha Aug 06 14:56:38 opkg install scummvm, edit the desktop file, copy game directory to FR, add game in scummvm, launch :) Aug 06 14:56:50 how much freespace you have? Aug 06 14:56:58 uhh Aug 06 14:57:04 dave: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/epiano_0.3.1-r1_armv4t.ipk Aug 06 14:57:04 11M? :) Aug 06 14:57:08 ouch :) Aug 06 14:57:18 oh, and thanks Aug 06 14:57:46 np Aug 06 14:57:58 You can't install it on the SD card..? Aug 06 14:57:58 holy crap that epaino app is HUGE Aug 06 14:58:09 Bubbi, that's what's free ON the sd card :P Aug 06 14:58:11 Or don't you have any room there either..? Aug 06 14:58:14 haha Aug 06 14:58:17 my bad.. :P Aug 06 14:58:17 out of 8G Aug 06 14:58:19 :P Aug 06 14:58:22 haha yeah Aug 06 14:58:26 I need dual SD cards Aug 06 14:58:28 :P Aug 06 14:58:30 anyone know the proper opkg repos for ASU daily 2008-08-06? Aug 06 14:58:57 Dave: mini usb to usb adaptor and a usbstick of 32gig would solve the problem :) Aug 06 14:59:09 :D Aug 06 14:59:14 why stop at 32G? Aug 06 14:59:22 because of the money..? :D Aug 06 14:59:23 :D Aug 06 14:59:28 Who cares about money! Aug 06 14:59:30 because i havent seen 32+gig in promotion here :) Aug 06 14:59:32 USB HDD? Aug 06 14:59:32 :D Aug 06 14:59:42 Dave: .. unfortunately the bank.. :( ;) Aug 06 14:59:45 yeah but usb hdd need external powersource mostly.. Aug 06 14:59:51 Bubbi, good point :P Aug 06 14:59:54 zork, yeah :P Aug 06 14:59:56 fine fine Aug 06 15:00:02 I'll stick to 32GB usb drive Aug 06 15:00:03 :) Aug 06 15:00:13 I'm pretty sure that's more than I need anyway, for just freerunner stuff Aug 06 15:00:15 Dave is in america, maybe his bank will go bancrupt :) Aug 06 15:00:26 you could RAID it with an ipod, or is that just horribly wrong? :P Aug 06 15:00:41 Dave: get usb hub and a lot of 32gb usb sticks ;] Aug 06 15:00:45 so.. is the ASU/2008.08 image about mature enough to be used as the primary OS..? Aug 06 15:00:50 was thinking the exact same thing torindel :) Aug 06 15:01:25 torindel, will do. Aug 06 15:01:40 Currenly my USB hub is giving USB CAM and USB WIFI to the freerunner though :) Aug 06 15:02:04 Dave: usb wifi? Aug 06 15:02:11 any a clue how much energy a usbstick uses? Aug 06 15:02:23 yes Aug 06 15:02:36 zork, not much if it does nothing ^^ Aug 06 15:02:36 and cares to share this knowledge Aug 06 15:02:40 ;) Aug 06 15:02:42 sekretz Aug 06 15:03:24 hrm Aug 06 15:03:30 scuuuuuuuuuuuuuum Aug 06 15:04:13 Zorkman, was there another version of this numpty thing, you mentioned earlier? Aug 06 15:04:25 numpty is evil Aug 06 15:04:35 it steals your time Aug 06 15:04:38 ;] Aug 06 15:05:14 euhm not that i know of.... Aug 06 15:05:17 i just opkg installed it Aug 06 15:05:40 ah the other version is crayon physics, the original, but that is win32 only i think Aug 06 15:06:14 yes Aug 06 15:06:25 so Scummvm, I just want the opie version? o.O Aug 06 15:06:44 Anyone who can tell if the new ASU release has made the phone much more stabile? Aug 06 15:07:03 * froksen thinks that the new interface looks very interesting :-) Aug 06 15:07:31 Hello Aug 06 15:07:36 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r4d80c8770f42 10/odeviced/src/plugins/idlenotifier/idlenotifier.vala: fix arguments to IOFunc, NOTE: still segfaults Aug 06 15:07:41 Hallo ^^ Aug 06 15:07:45 hello Torikin, please identify yourself Aug 06 15:07:47 Zorkman Aug 06 15:07:49 I just did an upgrade and the screen is stuck on "Open Moko Please Wait" Aug 06 15:07:57 aha, yes Aug 06 15:08:04 Hey zork Aug 06 15:08:05 fucked up kernel Aug 06 15:08:08 that's a feature Aug 06 15:08:09 indeed Aug 06 15:08:12 Must flash Aug 06 15:08:12 hehe xD Aug 06 15:08:12 :[ Aug 06 15:08:19 sometimes the devs have a bad they and they work it out on us ;) Aug 06 15:08:25 I unfortunately experienced that too, recently. Aug 06 15:08:33 when's the latest kernel that's working Aug 06 15:08:34 s/they/day/ Aug 06 15:08:41 I upgraded mine yesterday and this happened Aug 06 15:08:45 hehe Aug 06 15:08:58 Zorkman :( Aug 06 15:09:03 Torikun ou could check the mailinglists, almost everyday there are a few posts om something like this Aug 06 15:09:24 (if you wait a long while, does the loading screen go away and does ik show something like "freeing int 128") Aug 06 15:09:24 Sure Aug 06 15:09:27 ooh la la Aug 06 15:09:37 This time opkg returned with an error code of 3! Aug 06 15:09:37 Yes Aug 06 15:09:40 Zork: Yes Aug 06 15:09:42 it failed harder. Aug 06 15:09:43 3! that's new! Aug 06 15:09:47 :P Aug 06 15:09:51 I know, right? :P Aug 06 15:10:08 Anyway, zork, how am I supposed to install this shit? Aug 06 15:10:25 none of the dependencies can be met :p Aug 06 15:10:34 Do THEY have repos for this stuff? Aug 06 15:11:17 Does any of you use the FR as their Primary phone? Aug 06 15:11:18 how should i know? it worked on my ASU and it works on my 2007.2 also Aug 06 15:11:26 Zork :'( Aug 06 15:11:36 I get dependemcy issues Aug 06 15:11:49 which ones? Aug 06 15:11:55 maybe i can send you those ipk's also Aug 06 15:11:56 libsdl libsdl-image for numptyphysics (even though it's installed and up-to-date) Aug 06 15:12:07 and libfluidsynth1 for epani Aug 06 15:12:09 epiano Aug 06 15:12:09 ah, that's no problem, i'll tell you Aug 06 15:12:35 dave: Aug 06 15:12:36 opkg install libsdl-1.2-0 libsdl-image-1.2-0 Aug 06 15:12:36 opkg install -force-depends Aug 06 15:12:36 http://wwwpub.zih.tu-dresden.de/~mkluge/numptyphysics_0.2_armv4t.ipk Aug 06 15:13:23 also lollerdownloads@openmoko.org Aug 06 15:13:33 haha Aug 06 15:13:35 yeah :P Aug 06 15:13:44 and for the epiano: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/libfluidsynth1_1.0.8-r0_armv4t.ipk Aug 06 15:13:53 that rabenfrost feed is very usefull Aug 06 15:14:02 :O Aug 06 15:14:04 gimme! Aug 06 15:14:05 rawr Aug 06 15:14:14 i got a pdf viewer working... yay Aug 06 15:14:19 ^_^ Aug 06 15:14:28 is it as awesome as you dreamed, lint? Aug 06 15:14:35 Dave: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/celtune-rabenfrost.conf Aug 06 15:14:48 Dave: you need to delete the GTA01 lines though if you use a freerunner Aug 06 15:14:49 no, it actually took about a minute for it to load the pdf and i thought it crashed... but once loaded, i can browse it pretty smoothly Aug 06 15:15:00 ieatlint: can i has it? Aug 06 15:15:07 i also tried installing lbreakout2.... sadly, it cannot fit on the screen :( Aug 06 15:15:13 (portrait or landscape) Aug 06 15:15:23 Zork, it's on the repo you just linked Aug 06 15:15:25 epdfviewer Aug 06 15:15:38 Zork: should/may I leave the neo1973 line in it? Aug 06 15:15:58 ieatlint: maybe this is what you need: http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/brickout/ Aug 06 15:16:05 Zork, take a look at midori on that repo too, it's a webkit browser that a friend of mine loves on other platforms... i've no the time right now Aug 06 15:16:16 Tanuva: i can't force you, but i i where you i would delete it ;) Aug 06 15:16:22 ieatlint: i heard ms makes it Aug 06 15:16:43 Zork: okay, just wondering if its only gta01 or also the 1973 one to delete :D Aug 06 15:16:50 both Aug 06 15:16:56 i think :) Aug 06 15:16:58 i'll check on my device Aug 06 15:17:08 dbmoodb, it's webkit Aug 06 15:17:09 ieatlint: lbreakout2 should work in fullscreen mode Aug 06 15:17:22 (jup i deleted that one also) Aug 06 15:17:33 good Aug 06 15:17:55 just kidding ;0 Aug 06 15:17:56 well, i suppose my ability to get to fullscreen mode in fso is limited then Aug 06 15:18:23 Zork: you saved me! there's the gtk+ update comin' I need for python-pygtk! :D Aug 06 15:18:38 When I start my phone, it shows "Please wait" and never loads. WHen I press a button, it goes to console and GUI never comes back. Any ideas? Aug 06 15:19:10 Torikun, do you have openmoko-session2 or similar installed? Aug 06 15:19:19 zork, ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Aug 06 15:19:22 shit :P Aug 06 15:19:22 not sure Aug 06 15:19:24 ieatlint: i've just tested it on 2007.2 Aug 06 15:19:34 :P Aug 06 15:19:47 Hallo Tanuva :D Aug 06 15:19:59 in landscape mode on FSO, the enlightenment task bar thingy is still at the top, and you just barely can't see the paddle at the bottom Aug 06 15:20:04 runs smoothly though Aug 06 15:20:06 ieatlint: i installed lbreakout2, but i don't have a desktop file nor can i find where it is installed Aug 06 15:20:10 Dave: moin Aug 06 15:20:25 man, you all suck, I'm making my own feed, and it's going to be cooler than all of your feeds! Aug 06 15:20:26 Torikun, have you removed some packages from your installation? Aug 06 15:20:28 Zork, it installed in my path ... /usr/bin/lbreakout2 Aug 06 15:20:33 Torikun, openmoko-session2 - 1.0-r69 - Custom Matchbox session files for Openmoko Aug 06 15:20:37 but yeah, no menu item was created Aug 06 15:20:39 ALL YOUR FEEDS ARE BELONG TO ME! Aug 06 15:20:44 no Aug 06 15:20:48 session2 is installed Aug 06 15:20:52 Torikun, removial of that package caused my 1973 not to open the ui Aug 06 15:20:56 ah, ok Aug 06 15:20:59 * Tanuva looks for feed shelter Aug 06 15:21:00 can't help you then, sorry :( Aug 06 15:21:00 Dave: ALL YOUR MOKO'S ARE BELONG TO ME! Aug 06 15:21:02 ieatlint:i just opkg installed it but there is nothing resemblin lbreakout in my usr/bin filder Aug 06 15:21:31 * ieatlint shrugs Aug 06 15:21:43 i got it from that repo, and it installed to /usr/bin Aug 06 15:21:44 D: Aug 06 15:21:48 perhaps the install failed? Aug 06 15:21:55 TeringTuby: package is installed Aug 06 15:22:24 the lock screen goes up after 30 seconds, just the interface never loads up Aug 06 15:22:25 perhaps it's fucked up? :D Aug 06 15:22:51 Why is my Freerunner so slow? Aug 06 15:22:56 Torikun: just flash other image? Aug 06 15:23:00 lol Aug 06 15:23:04 I just upgraded lol Aug 06 15:23:12 happens Aug 06 15:23:15 Dave: because you only have a few MB free? :p Aug 06 15:23:25 Dave, because you need another one... if you put two together, they're twice as fast! Aug 06 15:23:53 ieatlint, I have six stacked, one on top of the other here Aug 06 15:24:00 It's not making them go any faster :p Aug 06 15:24:06 or at least... the top one! :o Aug 06 15:24:09 oh, well, yeah, 6 is too many Aug 06 15:24:13 :( Aug 06 15:24:17 diminishing returns? Aug 06 15:24:19 i've 2 stacked here, and they're speeding Aug 06 15:24:26 bastard! :p Aug 06 15:24:40 Zorkman, what desktop file did I need to edit, and for what? :P Aug 06 15:24:52 numpty? epaino? scumm? Aug 06 15:24:56 :P Aug 06 15:25:22 dave: scumm; but only on the asu, because to show up it has to have the right category Aug 06 15:25:39 (and a valid icon) Aug 06 15:26:13 OH, okay :P Aug 06 15:26:59 zomg Aug 06 15:27:15 * Dave wonders how many of the packages from that celtune repo will actually work under gtk Aug 06 15:27:17 ok, off to linuxworld, cya guys Aug 06 15:27:23 ieatlint: you in sf? Aug 06 15:27:26 I will be there later Aug 06 15:27:30 at the expo Aug 06 15:27:33 i live here :) Aug 06 15:27:35 me 2 Aug 06 15:27:36 lol Aug 06 15:27:43 omg liek kewl! Aug 06 15:27:44 am volunteering at the booth Aug 06 15:27:58 What booth Aug 06 15:28:03 openmoko Aug 06 15:28:08 Cool. Aug 06 15:28:15 ieatlint: it works here and isn't too big in landscape mode Aug 06 15:28:17 I will try to stop buy Aug 06 15:28:20 maybe I'll stop by and surprise you! Aug 06 15:28:23 muwahahah Aug 06 15:28:23 can you fix my neo lol Aug 06 15:28:27 :D Aug 06 15:28:30 Pimp my freerunner! Aug 06 15:28:31 i'll be the young white guy in the black openmoko shirt... Aug 06 15:28:39 Dave! Aug 06 15:28:40 Zork, fso? Aug 06 15:28:57 nope, 2007.2 Aug 06 15:29:23 Chox! Aug 06 15:29:24 yeah, lbreakout2 isn't worth me switching back to 2007.2 :P Aug 06 15:29:38 ieatlint, so, what then? Aug 06 15:29:39 Torikun, bring it to the show, i'll have my laptop and an array of images Aug 06 15:29:43 Sweet Aug 06 15:29:46 Thanks Aug 06 15:29:54 But will you have an array of freerunners! ;) Aug 06 15:30:00 ok, i gtg... cya Aug 06 15:30:04 later Aug 06 15:30:16 Dave, they have 5 demo models Aug 06 15:30:24 ieatlint: but you need to manually enable fullscreen Aug 06 15:30:41 Zork, fso is different Aug 06 15:30:48 there is no toggle to enable fullscreen Aug 06 15:30:49 Oh and just a 411, there may be a major tango commit soon ;) Aug 06 15:30:57 But you didn't hear it from me :P Aug 06 15:31:14 ok, seriously now, bye Aug 06 15:31:30 ieatlint: wait Aug 06 15:31:33 * Dave kicks ieatlint out the door Aug 06 15:31:36 you can click fullscreen in the game menu Aug 06 15:31:46 but anyway: bye Aug 06 15:31:55 * Chox sits by himself, in San Diego Aug 06 15:32:31 aww :p Aug 06 15:32:59 * Chox declares the Wiki slightly less full of crap than it was 2 weeks ago Aug 06 15:34:06 dave lbreakout2 works nice Aug 06 15:34:15 lb2 - old skool! Aug 06 15:35:42 Zork I thought you just all said it didn't... Aug 06 15:35:47 Chox :] Aug 06 15:36:00 when ? Aug 06 15:36:19 is it the matchbox keyboard that is normal ? Aug 06 15:36:33 default? no. Aug 06 15:38:06 * Dave has a matchbox stroke Aug 06 15:38:24 * Chox sets fire to Dave with his matches Aug 06 15:38:35 IGNITION! Aug 06 15:38:44 *FOOOM!* Aug 06 15:39:49 whee Aug 06 15:40:24 so, someone has made good progress on haxx0ring Roku Netflix box. whee. Aug 06 15:42:12 oh man, this is hilarious. Aug 06 15:42:23 you, dancing naked? Aug 06 15:42:46 is there a way to check how much energy the freerunner is using at the moment? Aug 06 15:42:49 The datestamps for these packages are inversely proportional to their svn revision numbers. Aug 06 15:42:53 IS THIS WHAT FOREIGNERS DO!? Aug 06 15:42:55 * Chox laffs. Aug 06 15:43:00 Zork: bomb calorimeter. Aug 06 15:43:25 as the revision numbers go up, the dates go backwards. Aug 06 15:43:52 Dave: you're upside down. Aug 06 15:43:59 invert yourself, and carry on Aug 06 15:44:15 -_- Aug 06 15:44:48 Does navit even work yet? Aug 06 15:45:00 * Chox puts on his dubious face. Aug 06 15:45:08 As I suspected... :p Aug 06 15:45:18 I don't have a clue, but it's a good face. Aug 06 15:45:23 * Dave admires Chocky's dubious face. Aug 06 15:45:56 dave: i launches, gets a fix and you can see the osm maps Aug 06 15:46:01 *chox i mean Aug 06 15:46:23 :) ;) Aug 06 15:46:25 couldn't get my garmin maps running though... they appear in the list, but i see nothing on the map Aug 06 15:46:29 just use osm Aug 06 15:47:22 well, I have no idea about "current" stuff. did an opkg update on 2007.2 snapshot yesterday, and it bust my opkg update. Aug 06 15:47:26 dbmoodb: for navigation: i can't Aug 06 15:47:34 and I'm not sure if I want to try 2008.8 Aug 06 15:47:39 and my FSO build is bust. Aug 06 15:47:42 so, yeah. Aug 06 15:47:46 dbmoodb: here OSM is in a very early stage Aug 06 15:48:30 the FSO build is looking for a cross g77. To build freetype! Aug 06 15:48:38 anyoone else in SanFran? Aug 06 15:48:44 I don't have a native g77, which may be part of the problem. Aug 06 15:49:18 man, OM build system blows chunks. Aug 06 15:49:26 Chox: Are you sure that g77 is the problem? Aug 06 15:49:35 no, but that's my best guess. Aug 06 15:49:49 I don't have the log to hand, but the failure is clearly it trying to run a cross g77 Aug 06 15:50:29 is cairo the problem, by any chance? Aug 06 15:50:57 ah, wait Aug 06 15:51:36 opkg install cool games :( Aug 06 15:51:38 error Aug 06 15:52:12 Chox: Well, without the log I cant Aug 06 15:52:16 hmm quick question Aug 06 15:52:17 really help you Aug 06 15:52:35 is my FR supposed to turn itself on and freeze when i connect it to the charger? :( Aug 06 15:52:49 what is wrong with lb2 Dave? Aug 06 15:52:59 :D Aug 06 15:53:11 spdr, if so, mine's broken ;) Aug 06 15:53:14 Zorkman, well, for starters, you and lint spent the morning telling me how broken it was. Aug 06 15:53:37 dingman, that sounds bad Aug 06 15:53:43 well, thats what it does :\ Aug 06 15:53:52 for starters: i'm telling you know that on 2007.2 it isn't broken if you run it in landscape and fullscreen mode Aug 06 15:54:09 * torindel starts to fear bitbake Aug 06 15:54:22 spdr, Not sure what to tell you. I think I've tried every image available on mine in the last couple days, and none of them did that. Aug 06 15:54:25 i guess in asu and fso it would be the same if the command to go fullscreen is the same Aug 06 15:54:29 this thing started to do things by itself in background o_O Aug 06 15:54:34 Zork, ah, okay cool :D Aug 06 15:54:40 Zorkman, but now, where do I get it? :D Aug 06 15:55:33 Dave: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/lbreakout2_2.6beta-r1_armv4t.ipk Aug 06 15:56:23 dingman, only when i connect it to usb it stays off Aug 06 15:56:33 but can it use the usb host while off? (for charging) Aug 06 15:56:52 Hello Aug 06 15:57:12 My tangogps does not work on FSO. gpspipe works with gpsd - but tangogps denies. Aug 06 15:57:21 Zorkman :D Aug 06 15:57:22 spdr, I'm not completely confident, but I think it needs to be on to tell the charger it wants juice. Aug 06 15:57:45 quickdev: you dont use gpsd on fso... Aug 06 15:58:04 I'm wondering if tangogps already implements the frameworkd? Aug 06 15:58:17 zork: rotation in 2007.2 doesnt work for me, the calibration of the screen is messy in landscape Aug 06 15:58:21 yes, since milestone2 Aug 06 15:58:22 might as well just leave it on Aug 06 15:58:26 oh, ok Aug 06 15:58:52 haha, oh man Aug 06 15:59:15 malik1972: rotation works but touchscreen does not work well when rotated Aug 06 15:59:32 snes9x-sdl_1.39-r3_armv4t Aug 06 15:59:34 when I have selected a wireless network with iwconfig, how do I get an ip-address from dhcp? Aug 06 15:59:35 lindi- yes Aug 06 15:59:44 malik1972: but the bug has been fixed Aug 06 15:59:50 really? Aug 06 15:59:53 when? Aug 06 15:59:56 malik1972: yes, see the bug report Aug 06 16:00:06 a few weeks ago i think Aug 06 16:00:07 woof woof! Aug 06 16:00:10 * spdr joins ConfidentiaL's question Aug 06 16:00:13 meow? Aug 06 16:00:16 i use an old image Aug 06 16:01:01 alphaone: yeah, I know. problem is it's all at home, and the devs are mostly here during the day. Aug 06 16:01:02 its fixed in the kernel? Aug 06 16:01:21 malik1972: in X it hink Aug 06 16:01:21 I should made ssh access for home. Aug 06 16:01:37 strange, gps works for me on FSO with tangoGPS, but the time/date is 1970 Aug 06 16:01:54 GPS like it's 1969 Aug 06 16:01:59 lindi- i know that it worls in asu ... but in 2007.2, will try it Aug 06 16:01:59 hidden time-machine-powers-alert! Aug 06 16:02:13 which is the date you get for cramfs images. Aug 06 16:02:17 malik1972: i don't think it has been fixed in 2007.2 Aug 06 16:02:38 lindi- okay, that was my question ... Aug 06 16:02:53 Zorkman :D Aug 06 16:03:13 lindi- did you tried to run scummvm? Aug 06 16:03:14 Chox: hwo do I get cramfs imgate date? Aug 06 16:03:22 openmoko-quantum-leap-notification Aug 06 16:03:26 malik1972: are there any free games for it? ;) Aug 06 16:03:29 make a cramfs image, then mount it loopback :p Aug 06 16:03:34 one moment Aug 06 16:03:53 lindi- sure, beneath a stealth sky, flight of the amazon queen Aug 06 16:04:02 drwxrwxrwx 1 7423 178 1476 1969-12-31 16:00 bin Aug 06 16:04:13 malik1972: there's dispute on whether those are free Aug 06 16:04:14 maybe a few games from http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ could be usefull Aug 06 16:04:17 lindi- very good games, played them on a zaurus Aug 06 16:04:25 abandoneware \o/ Aug 06 16:04:26 GemDropX! Aug 06 16:04:27 lindi- no, those are free Aug 06 16:04:31 abandonware Aug 06 16:04:36 lindi- free to use Aug 06 16:04:36 lindi- monkey island, indiana jones Aug 06 16:04:51 the latter are non free Aug 06 16:05:01 Chox: gemdropx works fine, only you need a keyboard :( i keep having to pop it up, hit "a" and close it again Aug 06 16:05:03 non-free software! Aug 06 16:05:09 see the scummvm homepage Aug 06 16:05:15 malik1972: but how can i modify them? Aug 06 16:05:15 I wuv it. Aug 06 16:05:17 :] Aug 06 16:05:22 Chox: hmm, but should't be the gps time independent from the filesystem? Aug 06 16:05:22 * Dave high-fives Chox Aug 06 16:05:26 Zork: monkey island surely isn't free :P Aug 06 16:05:38 lindi- modify for touchscreen? Aug 06 16:05:40 wof: yes, this has nothing to do with GPS. I was just throwing a spanner into the conversation. Aug 06 16:05:44 malik1972: modify flight of the amazon queen Aug 06 16:05:53 can anyone give me the reop information? I just reflashed and it has invalud repos Aug 06 16:05:54 OHMANS fb fb fb Aug 06 16:05:55 sorry, i misread, i thought you were just askinf if there were many games for it Aug 06 16:05:58 FOTAQ! Aug 06 16:06:07 frozen-bubble! Aug 06 16:06:17 Chox: sorry, I thought you have answared to my question. Aug 06 16:06:20 still wanna see NeverBall Aug 06 16:06:30 lindi- thats not possible and not needed, scummvm is a vm to emulate such old games Aug 06 16:06:30 neverball? Aug 06 16:06:32 that's 3D-tastic tho Aug 06 16:06:38 oh, heh Aug 06 16:06:42 might have to wait on that one, then :P Aug 06 16:06:45 you tilt the playing field to roll the ball Aug 06 16:06:52 malik1972: but i meant DFSG-free, maybe that wasn't obvious Aug 06 16:07:13 labyrinth Aug 06 16:07:23 Dave: with coins. Aug 06 16:07:39 ding ding ding ding ding Aug 06 16:07:43 SLOTS! Aug 06 16:07:47 Blackjack! Aug 06 16:07:50 Solitaire! Aug 06 16:07:53 lindi- i think that this games should be playable on the neo with the stylus Aug 06 16:07:55 Why do we not have these games!? Aug 06 16:08:01 * Chox demands Games! Aug 06 16:08:05 no keys neede Aug 06 16:08:06 malik1972: but that's not the point :) Aug 06 16:08:19 malik1972: i was asking if there are any free software games for scummvm Aug 06 16:08:34 Chox, are there no games at all ? Aug 06 16:08:36 lindi- i dont know, write one:-) Aug 06 16:08:40 there are some. Aug 06 16:08:46 which one Aug 06 16:08:56 it's just that most games require some modification for input stuff Aug 06 16:08:59 with source code Aug 06 16:10:22 when flashing usint dfu-util, it keeps seeing my (internal) usb hub, and won't let me continue. Any way around this? Aug 06 16:12:30 Chox, any recommendations for game that dont have a need to mess up my FR ? Aug 06 16:13:29 well, the ones in ASU are all board games, some of them suck, however. Aug 06 16:13:42 spdr: nearly everything messes my freerunner not only games:-) Aug 06 16:14:19 i tried dling the images on Aug 06 16:14:21 puzzle games are a good choice for FR in general. all pointer driven. Aug 06 16:14:30 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200808/20080806/ Aug 06 16:14:36 would zaurus games suffice? Aug 06 16:14:41 and then tried flashing them into the emulator with qemu/flash Aug 06 16:15:06 but it doesn't boot now, i get the splash screen, the boot menu and then i select boot Aug 06 16:15:17 and then i get splash screen and boot menu again Aug 06 16:15:28 ad infinitum Aug 06 16:16:24 am i doing something wrong ? the wiki pages aren't very informative on this subject, they recommend running download.sh but that keeps dling an image that boots but where i can't do anything Aug 06 16:17:15 ace[MAYHEM] that downloads.sh downloads some not usable qtopia image, you need to edit some stuff, but i don't know exactly what Aug 06 16:18:30 yeah i figured, that's why i tried those in that link i pasted (it was the only one i could find which also contained a kernel image) Aug 06 16:18:37 ace[MAYHEM]: change dl mask to get something else than qtopia and use orginal devirginator script again Aug 06 16:18:37 but those don't even boot ... Aug 06 16:18:51 it Aug 06 16:19:00 'll make your qemu bootable Aug 06 16:19:12 ah Aug 06 16:19:28 why cant i get an ip from dhcp? :\ Aug 06 16:19:36 do you know where i can find the image that is the same as the one on the phone by any chance ? Aug 06 16:19:41 ace[MAYHEM]: with the standard gemu thing you can also only emulate gta01 i believe Aug 06 16:19:46 what was the name of the python script for wifi ? Aug 06 16:20:16 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wireless_Networking#External_links Aug 06 16:20:25 10x Aug 06 16:20:41 ace[MAYHEM]: there is gta02 emu started but its something between gta01 and gta02 for now and requires custom kernels Aug 06 16:20:43 ace[MAYHEM]: to use GTA02 emulation you can find the info on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU#Neo_FreeRunner_.28GTA02.29 Aug 06 16:21:18 but it's just the extra chips right? the rest is the same anyway ? Aug 06 16:21:45 i don't really need the extra chips in the emulator :) Aug 06 16:21:47 * Chox beats wof Aug 06 16:22:00 ace[MAYHEM]: yea, better use gta01 emu since you can use standard kernels Aug 06 16:22:07 I guess you didn't test your USB networking wiki addition _at all_ Aug 06 16:22:42 chown != chmod. Aug 06 16:23:41 christ, who added the insanely complex Debian setup :-( Aug 06 16:23:52 sigh Aug 06 16:23:57 * Chox will have to rewrite that. Aug 06 16:25:36 any know issue regarding tangoGPS and the number 0? :\ Aug 06 16:25:57 f.e. the only thing i see is a large 0 Aug 06 16:26:26 spdr: you probably don't have any maps and are moving at speed 0 Aug 06 16:26:51 but before it showed me a world-map Zork Aug 06 16:27:01 and i downloaded maps aswell :S Aug 06 16:27:03 freerunner connected to the internet? Aug 06 16:27:12 can anyone tell me the exact name of the usb-net module? Aug 06 16:27:23 well, not currently Aug 06 16:27:40 does it require internet all the time to display maps? i thought it just downloads them :\ Aug 06 16:27:43 spdr: did you set the map-directory to a non-/tmp/ director? otherwise they get deleted Aug 06 16:28:16 ah..let me guess, /tmp is default? :S Aug 06 16:28:22 jup :) Aug 06 16:28:37 heh thanks Aug 06 16:28:43 np Aug 06 16:29:08 El_Senator: g_ether? Aug 06 16:30:58 does uboot need upgraded to use the 200808 stuff Aug 06 16:31:25 ~uboot Aug 06 16:32:09 i wonder...... Aug 06 16:32:14 no Aug 06 16:32:18 but you should ;-) Aug 06 16:32:36 whos gonna be the first to douche their freerunner? Aug 06 16:32:48 Dave. Aug 06 16:32:54 did he Aug 06 16:32:58 question Aug 06 16:33:02 with beer? Aug 06 16:33:08 ok Aug 06 16:33:32 shower-radio? ;D Aug 06 16:33:41 failed Aug 06 16:33:53 jo! Aug 06 16:35:01 so which daily build works? Aug 06 16:35:15 20080805? Aug 06 16:35:34 20080806? Aug 06 16:35:43 20070202 Aug 06 16:36:10 i have some weird problems: the freerunner wakes up from a shutdown, but i do not see any reasons for that Aug 06 16:36:20 are u trying to be part of the problem CHOX Aug 06 16:36:30 malik1972: did you plug it in? Aug 06 16:36:31 does the new uboot work properly? Aug 06 16:36:32 No, I make the problems. Aug 06 16:36:37 cjb: no Aug 06 16:36:39 well stop Aug 06 16:36:54 cjb: it happened not the first time Aug 06 16:36:59 fix problems like a good boy Aug 06 16:37:03 huh, weird Aug 06 16:37:40 cjb: first it in qtopia from suspends and now from shutdowns Aug 06 16:37:47 trying to make me have probles ic how u are Aug 06 16:44:17 how to get ip-address from dhcp after I connect to a wireless network? Aug 06 16:44:35 udhcpc Aug 06 16:46:35 thx Aug 06 16:49:28 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r17d475599b72 10/conf/distro/openmoko.conf: [openmoko] Calling packages .opk Aug 06 16:50:03 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r2d9aa25bb8f8 10/conf/distro/openmoko.conf: [openmoko] Calling packages .opk Aug 06 16:51:34 got it working with Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080721-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2, thanks zork and torindel :) Aug 06 16:52:05 I'm trying to edit the /etc/network/interfaces file with vi on the freerunner, but it seems to be pretty useless as there's no arrow keys. Am I doing something wrong? Aug 06 16:52:37 ConfidentiaL1: yep, you want to use arrow keys Aug 06 16:52:43 man vi on pc Aug 06 16:54:23 ConfidentiaL1: (or just test h, j, k, l in vi) Aug 06 17:07:38 hey, any idea why mofi thinks all the networks are WPA and not WEP ? Aug 06 17:07:58 Hey all, are there any good wifi apps? Aug 06 17:08:12 tried lint and mofi and I limited success with both :S Aug 06 17:08:24 *I had Aug 06 17:08:26 damn :\ Aug 06 17:09:26 koenigim I think there is one more called wifi radar Aug 06 17:12:12 railer: Thanks, I will try it out Aug 06 17:12:22 anything will be better than tons of ifup's :P Aug 06 17:14:10 I wonder if the changes made to /etc/network/interfaces for wpa_supplicant is affecting the performance of lint Aug 06 17:15:08 Is there a terminal that works in the ASU snapshots? I installed openmoko-terminal, and it launches but won't acknowledge input from the onscreen keyboard. Aug 06 17:18:45 * El_Senator gives up and hopes all the usb-net trouble is solved with the release of the final ASU Aug 06 17:19:14 I'm a quitter... there, i said it Aug 06 17:19:18 * El_Senator goes to sob in the corner Aug 06 17:22:40 dingman: vte works for me Aug 06 17:23:22 peter-b, thanks Aug 06 17:26:59 I am now able to successfully able to ping www.google.com, so I am definately connected to the internet, but I still get "failed to download" when executing "opkg update". What could be wrong? Aug 06 17:27:36 ConfidentiaL1: maybe your feeds are wrong Aug 06 17:27:46 where are they pointing at? (what are they trying to download) Aug 06 17:28:40 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/Packages.sig was the last one Aug 06 17:29:09 singatures are not yet implemented Aug 06 17:29:16 *signatures Aug 06 17:29:32 they always fail to download because they do not yet exist :) Aug 06 17:29:38 its also failing at Packages.gz... Aug 06 17:29:47 that's not so normal :) Aug 06 17:30:13 ConfidentiaL1: which error code gives you? Aug 06 17:30:22 error 0 Aug 06 17:30:23 ry pinging buildhost Aug 06 17:30:30 try Aug 06 17:30:38 pinging the host was successful Aug 06 17:31:05 tru wget http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/Packages.gz Aug 06 17:31:10 *try Aug 06 17:31:28 try wget http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/Packages.gz Aug 06 17:31:40 he, i'm so sloooooow Aug 06 17:32:30 looks like it downloaded ok, no error messages, but it reached 100% pretty fast... Aug 06 17:33:08 ConfidentiaL1: it's a small file Aug 06 17:33:40 i don't understand why opkg can't download the packages-file... Aug 06 17:33:59 * Zork wants to try gpsdrive; anyone built that? Aug 06 17:34:13 wait, now something is happening...:P Aug 06 17:34:30 got some progress bars while running opkg update Aug 06 17:35:02 could be that just the terminal needed a restart, cuz now it seems to have succeeded Aug 06 17:36:36 now it seems to be working ok, thanks for your help guys:) Aug 06 17:37:51 åäö - umlauts gets weird, locale bug Aug 06 17:40:28 Should the default repository in yesterday's build have tangogps? Aug 06 17:43:58 None of my python gtk apps run on openmoko. For example: the wifi GUI's Aug 06 17:47:28 ile "/usr/bin/lint-wifi.py", line 9, in Aug 06 17:47:28 import gtk, os Aug 06 17:47:28 File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py", line 82, in Aug 06 17:47:28 init() Aug 06 17:55:52 I lost the link for the 3rd party repos. anyone have it handy? Aug 06 17:56:07 just to be on the safe side, when I run "opkg upgrade" and gets asked if I want to keep current version of a file, what should I answer? the default? Aug 06 17:56:27 ConfidentiaL1: I choose I Aug 06 18:06:52 why isnt the cdc ether fixed in default uImage s? Aug 06 18:07:21 Guilt: what's the bug number? Aug 06 18:07:51 one sec Aug 06 18:08:22 Does the 2007 gtk image get updated daily? Aug 06 18:09:49 lindi-: not sure of that, but take a look her: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-f528183 Aug 06 18:10:23 'Hm, spoke too soon: After the first reboot with the new kernel, USB Aug 06 18:10:24 networking still didn't work. I did some fumbling on the device's Aug 06 18:10:24 terminal, of which the essential thing seems to be running "depmod". Aug 06 18:10:24 Then after a second reboot, USB networking worked again.' Aug 06 18:10:36 lindi-: apparently the qtopia image doesnt havev a terminal Aug 06 18:10:48 yes, it does Aug 06 18:10:53 wait. a reboot fixes it. Aug 06 18:11:53 but it's not fixed in the first time Aug 06 18:12:10 Guilt: cdc_ether is for the host, not for the device Aug 06 18:13:09 Quai: okay. the usb0 client doesnt work really Aug 06 18:13:11 on flashing Aug 06 18:13:23 Hi, does anyone know a way to fix the sound quality on the Frerunner. (If someone calls me they hears echo of their own voice). It seems like many people has this problem... Aug 06 18:14:23 i've got the same usb0 problem...the usb0 device is not registering...dmesg complains about 'maybe bad cable?" Aug 06 18:14:24 a794202: you have to lower your volume Aug 06 18:14:37 a794202: but not too much, or else they won't hear you... Aug 06 18:14:59 Zork: Is this done in the state files? Aug 06 18:15:52 I have problems related to usb0 aswell, but im trying to install debian on my fr Aug 06 18:15:57 I have never used the state file, only the alsamixer, but if you do it in the statefile its probably better Aug 06 18:15:57 so I encountered the bug with the endless irq messages after an upgrade with opkg through the terminal. Should I just restart the phone or is there something I should do first/after? Aug 06 18:16:17 a794202: there's some information at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues#Poor_Audio_Quality Aug 06 18:19:27 ok, I just installed ASU (the image from 6th of august... but it seems a regression.. it has no way of locking the screen, and no way of shutting down the phone on screen Aug 06 18:19:29 :S Aug 06 18:19:42 wow Aug 06 18:19:44 it makes 2007.2 actually seem more usable. Aug 06 18:20:07 Qtopic yesterday was crap for me and did not work well, I had to go back to2002.2 Aug 06 18:20:10 *2007.2 Aug 06 18:20:26 madjo: 2008.8 will be released on the 8th, you are using developmental software Aug 06 18:20:27 it seems like a bad idea to ditch 2007.2 to me... Aug 06 18:20:32 I know trix... Aug 06 18:20:45 Will there be a gnome update trix? Aug 06 18:20:48 Torikun: do yo umean qtopia or ASU? Aug 06 18:20:49 but it's already the 6th.. just 2 days of fixing all that? Aug 06 18:21:00 let's hope that's all it takes Aug 06 18:21:02 Qtopia lpotter Aug 06 18:21:12 Torikun I have no idea Aug 06 18:21:17 I think I'm going back to 2007.2 for now Aug 06 18:21:28 I actually liked that sms application better :) Aug 06 18:21:28 madjo I hope you have a good backup image Aug 06 18:21:29 lol Aug 06 18:21:29 Torikun: what didnt work well? Aug 06 18:21:41 sadly no. Torikun... backing up doesn't work for me Aug 06 18:21:42 Ipotter I could not access the menus and call Aug 06 18:22:00 how big will the backup image be? it is 171MB now Aug 06 18:22:18 you can make backups? Torikun.. how?:) Aug 06 18:22:27 how does one do the update? Aug 06 18:22:41 is there a feed.conf that needs to be installed? Aug 06 18:22:42 I reflashed the device, UndrWater Aug 06 18:22:46 Hi there. Aug 06 18:22:49 hi Lo-lan-do Aug 06 18:22:50 ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -U ./backup/good-kernel.bin Aug 06 18:22:50 ./dfu-util -a rootfs -R -U ./backup/good-rootfs.jffs2 Aug 06 18:22:50 ./dfu-util -a u-boot_env -R -U ./backup/good-u-boot_env.bin Aug 06 18:22:50 ./dfu-util -a splash -R -U ./backup/good-splash.bin Aug 06 18:22:50 ./dfu-util -a u-boot -R -U ./backup/good-u-boot.bin Aug 06 18:23:00 that doesn't work for me :( Torikun Aug 06 18:23:03 ah Aug 06 18:23:06 what happens Aug 06 18:23:29 Will the OM2008.8 feeds replace the OM2007.2 ones? Will my phone automagically be upgraded to ASU on Friday's opkg upgrade? Aug 06 18:23:29 dfu_upload error -110 Aug 06 18:23:40 I doubt it, Lo-lan-do... Aug 06 18:23:45 Guilt: i don't have javascript now, sorry Aug 06 18:23:50 om2008.8 is a drastic difference from 2007.2 Aug 06 18:23:57 How do you install ike firefox and stuff. Aug 06 18:24:02 I lost the url Aug 06 18:24:04 Torikun: that does not sound like qtopia Aug 06 18:24:04 Guilt: (nabble.html needs javascript) Aug 06 18:24:31 Anyone in SF? Aug 06 18:24:38 OM2008.8? cool Aug 06 18:24:43 must grab that Aug 06 18:24:56 I'd wait till friday, LetoTo Aug 06 18:24:56 * Torikun will wait a few days for 2008.8 Aug 06 18:25:08 For me it makes the phone unusable Aug 06 18:25:14 LetoTo: You better wait until its usable... Aug 06 18:25:14 lindi-: check the archives for support Aug 06 18:25:17 it's fairly new Aug 06 18:25:25 now if only the back up procedure would work for me :( Aug 06 18:25:31 the scrolling sucks in 2008.8 Aug 06 18:25:33 * Torikun makes 2007.2 backup CDROM Aug 06 18:25:35 where are the real feeds for 2008? Aug 06 18:25:40 it isnt double buffered, is it? ;p Aug 06 18:26:05 doesn't seem so Aug 06 18:26:24 How big is the RootFS when doing a backup with dfu? Aug 06 18:26:26 a794202: i now have the qtopia load on it. I like it less :) Aug 06 18:26:27 2007.2 seemed much smoother Aug 06 18:26:37 Is anyone here going to be at the linux world expo today? Aug 06 18:26:41 could be pretty big, Torikun Aug 06 18:27:54 the windowing is blocky Aug 06 18:27:55 hmm Aug 06 18:28:28 UndrWater: src/gz daily-armv4t http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t, src/gz daily-community-repository http://downloads.openmoko.org/community-repository, src/gz daily-om-gta02 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02 Aug 06 18:28:35 seems to work for me, at least. Aug 06 18:28:40 But I'm new here Aug 06 18:28:48 and not sure I'm not missing a feed. Aug 06 18:30:08 ntpclient seems to have disappeared from the repository Aug 06 18:32:13 looks like chox was right Aug 06 18:35:56 Guilt: i have read the last 3 months of support mailing list Aug 06 18:36:44 lindi-: it's like this Aug 06 18:36:56 if i use dfu-util to flash a new uImage.bin, usb fails on first boot Aug 06 18:37:30 can't grab a backup of anything with that dfu-util Aug 06 18:38:15 and according to the wiki,the current version is broken on big-endian architectures... 'do not flash u-boot unless you are sure you need to' :) Aug 06 18:39:32 I flashed u-boot today. Wanted to get the "reason for wake-up" feature :-) Aug 06 18:41:12 which version of uboot is that? Aug 06 18:41:32 Erm, "uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin" :-) Aug 06 18:41:53 I think it was made public a week or so ago. Aug 06 18:43:24 well, I tried that one, and the date in the boot screen showed "May 9, 2008" Aug 06 18:43:33 and how do i fix this? Aug 06 18:43:33 Collected errors: Aug 06 18:43:34 * Could not obtain administrative lock Aug 06 18:43:38 do i need to remove a fiile? Aug 06 18:43:53 Guilt: there's a daemon you need to kill Aug 06 18:43:54 also weird... the filenames in the most current 2008.08 folder shows 1.3.1, yet the uboot I have here shows "1.3.2" :) Aug 06 18:44:07 which daemon? Aug 06 18:44:10 strings uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin mentions "U-Boot 1.3.2+gitr38+64eb10cab8055084ae25ea4e73b66dd03cc1a0cb (Aug 6 2008 - 13:58:45)" Aug 06 18:44:11 Guilt: packagekitd i think Aug 06 18:44:33 where did you get that one? Aug 06 18:44:42 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080806/uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin Aug 06 18:44:55 huh.. I downloaded that one as well Aug 06 18:44:58 Guilt: find it? Aug 06 18:45:01 thanks :-) Aug 06 18:45:06 np Aug 06 18:46:57 I am upgrading to Qtopia, is it useable now? Aug 06 18:47:23 qtopia from trolltech has always been usable Aug 06 18:47:41 I hope it works good =) Aug 06 18:47:42 I'm reflashing 2007.2 ... 2008.8 is far from usable for me, so far Aug 06 18:47:56 Torikun: there are still bugs though Aug 06 18:47:56 lpotter: is there a way to access testing images of qtopia? Aug 06 18:48:19 testing images are released at qtopia.net Aug 06 18:48:36 when there is a significant change Aug 06 18:48:47 right now we are all working on qtopia 4.4 Aug 06 18:49:07 Does qtopia have gui Wifi tool ? Aug 06 18:49:18 just flashed uboot again... still says "may 9 2008" for me... what am I doing wrong? Aug 06 18:50:06 downloaded the latest version from openmoko buildhost... Aug 06 18:50:08 lpotter: is anyone working on improving the predictive keyboard? Aug 06 18:50:09 then did sudo ./dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin Aug 06 18:50:14 Torikun: yes. hmmm that reminds me, I dont think I have updated the image Aug 06 18:50:16 and still it loads the one from May Aug 06 18:50:27 UndrWater: improving how? Aug 06 18:50:58 lol since I been flashing this all day, I hope I am not missing phone calls lol Aug 06 18:51:18 lpotter: well...as i'm typing, the predictive text may miss what i'm trying to type...there's no obvious way to input what i want Aug 06 18:51:38 hold down a letter Aug 06 18:52:07 that will "force" that letter? Aug 06 18:52:12 yes Aug 06 18:52:15 ahhh Aug 06 18:52:25 :) Aug 06 18:52:35 :D Aug 06 18:52:45 madjo: You sure you're reading the version of the uboot in NAND? Aug 06 18:52:55 how do I do that? Aug 06 18:53:03 ah no... this is the one in NOR Aug 06 18:53:06 How did you boot? Aug 06 18:53:20 i'm thinking another way to do it is have the exact word typed in the middle of the list, with predictive words to either side of that Aug 06 18:53:22 There. Boot to NAND to check the version of u-boot. Aug 06 18:53:22 I boot through holding the AUX key and then pressing the power button Aug 06 18:53:28 may go a bit faster Aug 06 18:53:31 * Torikun hacks matrix with NeoFreerunner... Aug 06 18:53:47 the matrix is obsolete! ;) Aug 06 18:54:00 They're all running hypermatrix now ;) Aug 06 18:54:08 lol Aug 06 18:54:11 Matrix Vista Aug 06 18:54:12 lol Aug 06 18:54:47 flashing to qtopia finished...rebooted....see openmoko log....nothing happening... Aug 06 18:54:56 lpotter: that would also be a bit more intuitive Aug 06 18:55:28 damnit... I'm really bummed out that I can't backup the images... Aug 06 18:55:35 + Aug 06 18:55:36 lol Aug 06 18:55:57 makes it a hassle to flash every fucking time Aug 06 18:56:14 my phone is locked, can not power off Aug 06 18:56:29 torpor: that's one way to get infinite battery life. Aug 06 18:56:33 tori: Aug 06 18:57:23 I really hope that friday's release will be usable enough Aug 06 18:57:45 else "I'm cracking skulls"... :) Aug 06 18:58:01 there seems to be quite a bit to do for release Aug 06 18:58:13 madjo: does that translate as hacking it better? Aug 06 18:58:15 indeed Aug 06 18:58:33 well I have two left hands... I'm more of a tester myself Aug 06 18:58:43 I think I'll switch from OM2007.2 to FSO when it reaches milestone 3. Aug 06 18:58:52 :-) Aug 06 18:58:53 madjo: have you updated yet? Aug 06 18:59:04 I just did... and I couldn't set it to keylock Aug 06 18:59:09 why do we need an intermediate release? om2008.8? Aug 06 18:59:10 ahh Aug 06 18:59:12 i don't get it. Aug 06 18:59:14 and it seemed rather sluggish... Aug 06 18:59:23 om2007.2 was stable. Aug 06 18:59:24 compared to 2007.2 Aug 06 18:59:58 I wish there was a decent release of FSO :) Aug 06 19:00:15 madjo: did you have to hand edit your opkg confs? Aug 06 19:00:46 for om2007.2? I did indeed, added the scaredycat repos before (sadly I've lost that now) Aug 06 19:01:02 and I have to set up the right keyboard again Aug 06 19:01:19 While I'm here... is there a way to not start wifi on boot? Aug 06 19:01:20 hi again Aug 06 19:01:37 leave it off when you turn the device off? Aug 06 19:01:42 shouldn't it remember its state? Aug 06 19:02:08 i'm installing glamo Aug 06 19:02:11 maybe that helps Aug 06 19:02:30 sorry for asking, but where do I find latest qtopia image? (newer than july 24?) Aug 06 19:03:10 aevin: Wiki -> Latest_images Aug 06 19:03:12 aevin: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080806/ Aug 06 19:04:24 right... by the way, I have just flashed this (080806) image and, well, is there a way to change the skin? Aug 06 19:04:29 rysiek|pl: thanks, I think I overlooked the trolltech ftp with snapshots. Aug 06 19:04:38 aevin: nop Aug 06 19:05:11 Torikun: thanks, but there are only qtopia with x11 (i was looking for the one without) Aug 06 19:05:20 madjo: It doesn't. I need to manually switch it off every reboot. Aug 06 19:05:48 Torikun: thats not qtopia Aug 06 19:05:52 thats asu Aug 06 19:06:09 aevin: I will make an updated image of qtopia soon Aug 06 19:06:13 is it just me, or did the old image (2007.2) seem much more usable? not meaning to troll; I understand the ASU is work-in-progress, but do I understand correctly that it's (ASU) basically not meant for day-to-day use? Aug 06 19:06:13 what is that then Aug 06 19:06:16 lol Aug 06 19:06:21 I just upgraded to it Aug 06 19:06:28 it's not just you :) Aug 06 19:06:45 d'oh Aug 06 19:07:14 but what we see now is not yet the definitive release Aug 06 19:07:21 yeah, I know Aug 06 19:07:37 besides, it's OpenSource, There Is No Definitive Release(tm) ;) Aug 06 19:07:39 I just can't lock it, nor can I easily turn the phone off.:( Aug 06 19:07:48 same here Aug 06 19:07:54 nor inpuit the PIN properly Aug 06 19:07:59 well there's supposed to be a release on 08-08-08 :) Aug 06 19:08:15 still no 'ok' button? Aug 06 19:08:23 "still"? Aug 06 19:08:28 what do you mean "still" Aug 06 19:08:53 now don't you even tell me that someone *forgot* to place a freaking "ok" button on the PIN form... Aug 06 19:08:58 hmmm, I tried an earlier build a week or so ago... and it didn't have that button either... I figured that I must have done something wrong Aug 06 19:09:24 jeez. now I know why I got this baby in the first place - sure as hell won't let me get bored :D Aug 06 19:09:46 What images are these then? The Website said qtopia Aug 06 19:09:46 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080806/ Aug 06 19:10:00 ASU Aug 06 19:10:04 no, that's the ASU Aug 06 19:10:12 thats a bit of qtopia with EFL Aug 06 19:10:43 they should really take qtopia out of the filename, as it causes confusion Aug 06 19:11:10 +1 Aug 06 19:11:12 you guys are geeks! Aug 06 19:11:22 whoops wrong window Aug 06 19:11:24 hehehe Aug 06 19:11:33 confused on images... Aug 06 19:11:37 it strangely fitted here, though, lpotter Aug 06 19:11:47 ha true Aug 06 19:12:16 Torikun: the "qtopia" image on the Trolltech ftp is The Qtopia image Aug 06 19:12:18 I can not ssh into http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080806/ images Aug 06 19:12:33 Torikun: reboot Aug 06 19:12:35 Torikun: qtopia images on buildhost are ASU Aug 06 19:12:50 lpotter: sheesh... thought it wasn't windoze... ;) Aug 06 19:12:54 Torikun: it seems to take a reboot on those images to ssh into it Aug 06 19:13:11 lpotter I can not make calls on that image also Aug 06 19:13:12 lol Aug 06 19:14:08 * rysiek|pl takes a note to self - try "newer better" images through the microSD card first... Aug 06 19:14:40 Torikun why would you ssh in on the openmoko server? just wget them... Aug 06 19:14:57 Zork My phone Aug 06 19:15:00 not servers Aug 06 19:15:57 When you use those images, should you update sources? Aug 06 19:17:15 i tried following http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth with 2007.2 but hciconfig does not give any output, any idea where to look next? Aug 06 19:17:22 ofcoure all the repos are messed up in /etc/opkg Aug 06 19:18:11 lindi-: in the devices/PC's you wish to connect to Aug 06 19:18:28 lindi-: I suppose you get only "Scanning..." from hcitool scan, right? Aug 06 19:21:47 rysiek|pl: "Device not available: No such device" Aug 06 19:22:04 lindi-: ah, well, you haven't enabled bluetooth Aug 06 19:22:18 lindi-: what image are you using? Aug 06 19:23:16 hi, i have downloaded the latest ASU, but I can't find any way to get into a terminal. How do I solve this? Aug 06 19:25:38 hmm Aug 06 19:25:47 I want to get back to 2007.2 Aug 06 19:25:54 but I don't see an image for GTA02 Aug 06 19:25:57 rysiek|pl: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080722-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Aug 06 19:26:00 looking here: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/ Aug 06 19:26:07 ah Aug 06 19:26:13 lindi-: thanks :) Aug 06 19:26:19 rysiek|pl: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080730/uImage-2.6.24+git25+8533927964761f4e2078ccd8607b90f5acc60b93-r1-om-gta02.bin Aug 06 19:27:27 lindi-: 404 not found Aug 06 19:27:40 lindi-: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ -> only 200808 available Aug 06 19:27:47 rysiek|pl: yes they are 404 now Aug 06 19:27:57 rysiek|pl: i have a local copy at http://iki.fi/lindi/tmp/ Aug 06 19:28:18 lindi-: "now" as in "deleted for good" or as in "some temporary problem"? Aug 06 19:28:26 rysiek|pl: i don't know Aug 06 19:29:11 Does anyone knows how to get into a normal terminal in the ASU? Aug 06 19:29:19 lindi-: I'll help myself to your mirror, if that's ok Aug 06 19:29:36 The_D0ct0r: I don't think anybody knows that here right now Aug 06 19:29:48 rysiek|pl: to test this bluetooth issue? Aug 06 19:29:48 craps Aug 06 19:30:01 The_D0ct0r: wouldn't ssh over usb work? Aug 06 19:30:17 lindi-: nope, to get a usable moko again. 2008.08 is just unusable for me right now Aug 06 19:30:20 nope Aug 06 19:30:25 trying that now Aug 06 19:30:39 ethernet over usb-issue? (missing kernel module) Aug 06 19:30:39 lindi-: although I'll test bt once i'm on it :) Aug 06 19:30:48 rysiek|pl: hrm, in the ideal world you should be able to build it yourself, right? Aug 06 19:30:59 I've used bt, but I needed a terminal to set it up ... Aug 06 19:31:04 theoretically Aug 06 19:31:20 lindi-: but theory and practice do not differ only theoretically ;) Aug 06 19:31:21 rysiek|pl: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080806/ - 2007.2 is the openmoko-devel-image Aug 06 19:31:38 abraxa_: yeah, but that's the 2008.08 branch Aug 06 19:31:40 aaa Aug 06 19:31:50 ignore that Aug 06 19:31:53 :) Aug 06 19:31:57 hmmm...assassin dissappeared? Aug 06 19:32:11 * rysiek|pl is slowly considering turning his geek licence in Aug 06 19:32:13 Yes, it is updating! Aug 06 19:32:14 lol Aug 06 19:32:20 abraxa_: thanks Aug 06 19:32:49 lindi-: I'll help myself to the devel images, then; your mirror seems to lack one crucial thingy - and that's the rootfs ;) Aug 06 19:33:24 lindi-: unless the kernel and the rootfs are simply from different builds but should work togetger Aug 06 19:33:44 rysiek|pl: :) Aug 06 19:33:47 hooray for this: http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8 \o/ Aug 06 19:33:50 rysiek|pl: i have rootfs there Aug 06 19:34:00 rysiek|pl: tmp/moko/buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080722-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Aug 06 19:34:24 lindi-: yeah, but aren't those different builds (20080722 and 20080730)? Aug 06 19:34:30 The GUI install on the latest image can not access network. opkg update works and downloads updates Aug 06 19:34:45 How do you get the gui installer to work Aug 06 19:35:06 rysiek|pl: yes, i could not get both from same day Aug 06 19:35:35 Torikun: after XorA, today: "you need to edit the files in /etc/opkg/ to point to these feeds http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/" Aug 06 19:35:56 Torikun: By checking trac for a matching ticket, filing one if not available and/or writing to the devel list Aug 06 19:36:20 ty Aug 06 19:38:07 does anyone know where I could get gtk+ 2.12.11 (which is required by python-pygtk) from? Aug 06 19:38:12 now... how to shutdown 2008.08 without playing with the battery... Aug 06 19:38:31 rysiek|pl: "halt" on terminal :P Aug 06 19:38:41 http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080729-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary Aug 06 19:38:55 wat is a sommery file Aug 06 19:39:02 summery Aug 06 19:39:43 thats funny Aug 06 19:39:54 Tanuva: ah, why didn't I think of that... let me just fire up the terminal to fix the repos so that I can upgrade and have usb0, so that I can have a working terminal... oh, wait. -_-' Aug 06 19:39:59 http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ Aug 06 19:40:28 halt works for me Aug 06 19:40:38 rysiek|pl: *g* so u're quite f*ed up. maybe reflash? ^^ Aug 06 19:41:20 im gonna reflash today an saterday Aug 06 19:41:20 Tanuva: yeah, that crossed my mind. now, take a wild guess why would I want to shutdown the device... :) Aug 06 19:41:30 where does one find numptyphysics? Aug 06 19:41:45 how to compile KDE2 for BSD? Aug 06 19:42:03 * rysiek|pl simply *had* to go for that classic... Aug 06 19:42:12 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r9def9e88398a 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade linux-openmoko to get the charging indicator fix Aug 06 19:42:25 :) Aug 06 19:43:07 UndrWater: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/misc/numptyphysics_0.2_armv4t.ipk Aug 06 19:43:20 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r25e4c6650215 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Use the latest stable u-boot. Aug 06 19:43:41 UndrWater: Also needs http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/libstdc++6_4.1.2-r17_armv4t.ipk Aug 06 19:43:54 * Tanuva thinks of learning etk to get rid of the damn python-pygtk-requirement :/ Aug 06 19:46:06 where i can find the latest stable uboot? Aug 06 19:46:29 linuxxr: which image are you using? 2008.08? Aug 06 19:47:31 malik1972: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080806/u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr38+64eb10cab8055084ae25ea4e73b66dd03cc1a0cb-r0.bin Aug 06 19:48:42 abraxa_: thanks! :) Aug 06 19:49:21 Are the celtune and scaredycat repositories safe to add to 2008.08? Aug 06 19:49:57 mmontour: okay, i have that, it was mentioned here org.openmoko.asu.dev Aug 06 19:50:11 Centaur5: i've got celtune...no probs so far...but it's early on Aug 06 19:50:27 mmontour: nevertheless i had a weird behaviour several time with the new uboots Aug 06 19:50:59 UndrWater: Thanks, I guess I'll see the extra programs it provides me with then. Aug 06 19:51:03 mmontour: the freerunner wakes up from shutdowns sometimes Aug 06 19:51:46 progress Aug 06 19:51:48 mmontour: it blocks a boot process if the battery is nearly empty, but this is a feature i guess Aug 06 19:53:02 IIRC there is code to delay boot-up until the battery reaches a minimum charge level. I don't know about the "wakes up from shutdowns" one - you might want to report that in Trac and/or on the openmoko-kernel list Aug 06 19:54:54 what s the wifi gui tool on the new image? Aug 06 19:55:01 lol wtf Aug 06 19:55:11 when i talk and i have a call waiting it cuts me off Aug 06 19:55:25 Torikun: define "new image" Aug 06 19:55:32 2008.2 Aug 06 19:55:38 todays most current Aug 06 19:55:48 *2008.08 Aug 06 19:55:57 anyone know what: "pkg already visited" means? Aug 06 19:56:02 what's that again? asu? gtk? Aug 06 19:56:12 that's opkg install -V 2 output Aug 06 19:56:20 mmontour: will do that if it happens again, its a little bit scary:-) Aug 06 19:56:32 when i talk and i have a call waiting it cuts me off, any idea why? Aug 06 19:56:47 mmontour: i have another idea, but i dont think that it caused it Aug 06 19:56:48 not to mention i cant see who else is calling Aug 06 19:57:20 I, for one, think there are definitely too many images out there Aug 06 19:57:35 not documented anough, might I add Aug 06 19:58:22 rysiek|pl: As long as people stick to well-known images like the ones from buildhost or ScaredyCat's images, all is well Aug 06 19:58:33 spdr which one u got? Aug 06 19:58:43 mmontour: i applied a scotch tape for the sd card holder ... no, this is not the cause .. maybe i will investigate it by reflashing an older uboot Aug 06 19:58:59 abraxa_: nope. where on *earth* could I get the info that openmoko-devel is the old 2007.02? Aug 06 19:59:15 linuxxr, freerunner gta02 Aug 06 19:59:17 abraxa any recomendations? Aug 06 19:59:27 abraxa_: not mentioned anywhere in the wiki nor in the docs, or at least nowhere I could find Aug 06 19:59:28 with updated 2007 Aug 06 19:59:30 brb Aug 06 19:59:42 malik1972: I recommend sticking with the newest u-boot, and reporting bugs so that they can get fixed. Aug 06 20:00:15 When you say "wakes from shutdown", which image and how are you shutting down? Is it possible that the GSM modem is still powered up? Aug 06 20:00:22 also everybody is complaining they hear an echo :\ Aug 06 20:00:33 perhaps the speaker is too loud ? Aug 06 20:00:43 200702? Aug 06 20:00:51 rysiek|pl: Indeed, that's a documentation issue then. Aug 06 20:00:51 spdr Aug 06 20:01:02 linuxxr: Sorry, I have no idea what you were/are talking about Aug 06 20:01:04 stock? Aug 06 20:01:13 yeah 2007.02 Aug 06 20:01:18 mmontour: i use the newest qtopia 4.3.x in nand with the mwester kernel and diverse images on sd with an actual kernel Aug 06 20:01:34 stock? Aug 06 20:01:51 There's a certain overlap between "shut down" and "suspended", so I'd guess that when you shut the device down it's still configured to wake up on something other than a power-button press or USB-cable insertion Aug 06 20:02:16 However I haven't looked at this code in any detail, so it would be better to just report your problem and let the experts figure it out Aug 06 20:02:48 mmontour: you are right, will do it if it happens again Aug 06 20:03:06 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r6e2560c549bf 10/classes/update-rc.d.bbclass: make sure update-rc is always executed in an offline postinst (from poky r4976) Aug 06 20:03:07 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rf3d0d95ef932 10/packages/dbus/dbus_1.1.20.bb: [dbus] Bump the PR after the update-rc change as we know dbus benefits from it Aug 06 20:03:07 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r6e2947e9ca60 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade linux-openmoko to get the charging indicator fix Aug 06 20:03:08 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd83a164bb21e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Use the latest stable u-boot. Aug 06 20:03:11 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc9d0b05567fd 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade assassin to avoid packagekitd races Aug 06 20:04:11 * rysiek|pl is going to take five Aug 06 20:04:15 tee, anybody? Aug 06 20:04:18 *tea Aug 06 20:04:24 Please :) Aug 06 20:04:24 darn, am I tired Aug 06 20:04:32 one tea, comming up Aug 06 20:04:49 * rysiek|pl puts the kettle on Aug 06 20:07:40 White and three sugars please :) Aug 06 20:08:01 leinir: there you are Aug 06 20:08:13 * leinir sips "Cheers!" ;) Aug 06 20:08:53 ah... just in time - flashing finished! Aug 06 20:12:44 If you download an FSO image, the file system will be in a jffs2 'summary' file. A file with the extension ".jffs2.summary" can be flashed to the FreeRunner just like an ordinary jffs2 file. Aug 06 20:12:59 i had to read mang Aug 06 20:15:07 any of you tried 2008.8 yet? impressions? Aug 06 20:15:38 Decent. Some odd X display things going on, still. Aug 06 20:15:44 I tried it... antontakk Aug 06 20:15:49 odd x display things? Aug 06 20:15:51 it doesn't seem too bad Aug 06 20:15:59 but it's not usable for me Aug 06 20:16:10 like a black bar after boot? Aug 06 20:16:29 madjo: the icons in the screen shots on the wiki indicative of the default icons? Aug 06 20:16:34 Right after boot, there's always a black bar across the home screen Aug 06 20:16:41 hrm Aug 06 20:16:44 yes, but not that many Aug 06 20:16:49 it go away on it's own, or? Aug 06 20:16:52 just 8... Aug 06 20:17:01 and sometimes I have to go to the home screen and back to get other apps to re-paint. Aug 06 20:17:10 it went away after I tapped the screen there Aug 06 20:17:10 the black bar goes away if I tap it. Aug 06 20:17:26 that's minor then :) Aug 06 20:17:37 yup Aug 06 20:17:45 how would you rate it's "polish" ? Aug 06 20:17:58 raw Aug 06 20:18:08 well... that's too harsh Aug 06 20:18:13 unstable the new image is Aug 06 20:18:14 I'd say it's a lot less polished than the TrollTech image, but shows more promise for customization. Aug 06 20:18:16 it still needs quite a bit of polish Aug 06 20:18:31 sometimes settings menus are hard to get rid off Aug 06 20:18:41 true Aug 06 20:18:56 And the "options" menu for the clock just won't show up. Aug 06 20:18:59 clicking 'back' removes the buttons at the bottom, but leaves the options up Aug 06 20:19:14 oh it showed up, just very hard to remove :) Aug 06 20:19:20 but I think it's usable now as a basic phone. Aug 06 20:19:26 setting up the timezone was also non-trivial Aug 06 20:19:37 True. How do I do that? Aug 06 20:19:41 hrm, maybe not quite what i was intending to communicate...how much futzing around is there to, say install an app from projects.openmoko.org that has an ipk? Aug 06 20:19:57 I haven't tried that Aug 06 20:20:08 also, gprs? :) Aug 06 20:20:16 how do you get the command line? Aug 06 20:20:17 The default package feeds are b0rken Aug 06 20:20:27 couldn't get the package manager to find the web (even after I turned on wifi and connected to my unprotected network Aug 06 20:20:38 command line I couldn't find either Aug 06 20:20:50 gprs, not sure, didn't try that yet Aug 06 20:20:52 madjo: and how much was involved in connecting wo the wifi? Aug 06 20:20:58 and there's no way I could find to the command line except by SSHing into the USB Aug 06 20:21:03 that was pretty easy Aug 06 20:21:15 madjo: gui app, or? Aug 06 20:21:18 that took me one quick wpa_supplicant.conf file Aug 06 20:21:23 open up the settings, then select "wifi" and then select the network Aug 06 20:21:24 Couldn't make the GUI work. Aug 06 20:21:33 the gui worked for me Aug 06 20:21:41 but my network is unprotected Aug 06 20:21:45 But that might just have been my really long WPA key and an inability to type it all right. Aug 06 20:21:55 madjo: the settings work for other things? power, suspend, ringtone? etc Aug 06 20:22:10 power and suspend are working for me Aug 06 20:22:15 haven't really tinkered with that yet Aug 06 20:22:17 haven't tried ringtone. Aug 06 20:22:24 couldn't set it to keylock Aug 06 20:22:31 dingman: automatically? ie: suspend on 4 minutes inactivity? Aug 06 20:22:37 yup Aug 06 20:22:42 nice Aug 06 20:23:10 Can anyone call someone from their phonebook? Aug 06 20:23:40 Torikun: i was able to in qtopia, 2007.2 and asu, seems to be very spotty in zhone on fso :) Aug 06 20:24:11 maybe I should reimage Aug 06 20:24:12 lol Aug 06 20:24:15 madjo: which imahe you using? Aug 06 20:24:25 image* Aug 06 20:24:28 the latest one Aug 06 20:24:38 6 august Aug 06 20:24:55 just called my home phone from my address book, in the 2008.8 image Aug 06 20:25:06 ok, have a link on how to flash uboot? Aug 06 20:25:18 Graphics keep messing up lol Aug 06 20:25:20 it's in the wiki... Aug 06 20:25:26 ok Aug 06 20:25:37 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner Aug 06 20:25:49 AntonTakk: Just to make sure - you read the "get started with your freerunner" page? :) Aug 06 20:25:50 i can't see the installer .desktop file after opkg update :( Aug 06 20:25:55 assassin has been killed Aug 06 20:25:57 :( Aug 06 20:26:10 nor can i see the preferences Aug 06 20:26:16 is there a way to reset this stuff/ Aug 06 20:26:19 abraxa_: yes, last time i read the flashing page thou, it only covered rootfs and kernel Aug 06 20:26:37 where did you find the shell? Guilt :) Aug 06 20:26:49 shell? Aug 06 20:26:53 for om2008.8? Aug 06 20:26:59 command line Aug 06 20:27:00 terminal Aug 06 20:27:02 oh Aug 06 20:27:03 whatever you call it Aug 06 20:27:03 ssh Aug 06 20:27:07 ah ok Aug 06 20:27:19 also, does that (08/06) uboot have the fix for turning on the fr w/o a charged battery in the phone Aug 06 20:27:54 i'm just not liking the UI... Aug 06 20:28:36 how can I set the UI to the slider function? Aug 06 20:29:19 any idea where i can get "wifi-radar" ? Aug 06 20:29:47 btw, anyone able to get a GPS fix with 2008.8? :) Aug 06 20:33:10 I am going back to the old stable firmware Aug 06 20:33:12 lol Aug 06 20:33:35 UndrWater: "the UI"? Aug 06 20:33:51 * Tanuva got the impression that he's messing up his fso install with too many different pkg sources... Aug 06 20:34:11 WHen will the new firmware be stable? Aug 06 20:34:14 madjo: Whether you get a fix or not depends on the kernel alone, has nothing to do with the distribution Aug 06 20:34:25 Torikun: in 2 days... theoretically Aug 06 20:34:27 ;) Aug 06 20:34:30 I also installed the latest kernel Aug 06 20:34:42 Great rysiek|pl Aug 06 20:36:21 wait. it's called exposure Aug 06 20:36:22 aha Aug 06 20:36:22 does the order of flashing have an influence? Aug 06 20:37:06 madjo: nope Aug 06 20:37:11 the flashing page doesn't seem to indicate exactly how to tell which uboot image i should downlod Aug 06 20:37:25 download* Aug 06 20:37:34 AntonTakk: The latest you can find :) Aug 06 20:38:00 no, i mean the various gta02vX versions Aug 06 20:38:05 does this help? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Latest_Images#Openmoko_2008.8_images_.28ASU.29 Aug 06 20:38:09 gta02v5 Aug 06 20:38:28 oh wait, you say uboot... :) Aug 06 20:38:38 yep :) Aug 06 20:38:40 AntonTakk: The hardware revision is irrelevant for most as only very few models are in the wild that are *not* v5 or v6 Aug 06 20:38:57 inded Aug 06 20:39:13 ok, and as I understand it the diference between v5 and v6 is a capacitor or two Aug 06 20:39:34 not really going to effect uboot :) Aug 06 20:39:38 AntonTakk: Yup Aug 06 20:39:41 what does the red LED under AUX button indicate? Aug 06 20:39:42 ok Aug 06 20:39:58 rysiek|pl: the led is receiving power ;) Aug 06 20:40:19 AntonTakk: thank you, Captain Obvious! Aug 06 20:40:31 :P Aug 06 20:40:38 * AntonTakk wraps his cape around him and walks off Aug 06 20:40:41 it was burning for me as well Aug 06 20:41:02 rysiek|pl: Currently it indicates charging Aug 06 20:41:15 thanks Aug 06 20:41:48 anyone running 2008.8? Aug 06 20:41:54 a Red LED in your hand means it's time for CAROUSEL! Don't let the sandman get you! Aug 06 20:42:22 tdobson, at least two of us. Aug 06 20:42:46 dingman: do most programs for 2007.2 work on it? eg tangoGPS etc... Aug 06 20:43:05 I haven't had any luck with them. Aug 06 20:43:19 i see. Aug 06 20:43:28 The main problem being that they don't get input from the 2008.8 keyboard. Aug 06 20:43:32 tangogps works fine with 2007.2 on the neo Aug 06 20:43:55 * Yashy just realized he came in late so will just observe hehe Aug 06 20:44:16 * tdobson is effectively demoing the neo a bit tomorrow to some mac fan boys and so wants to be in the strongest position possible. Aug 06 20:44:36 best to stick with 2007.2 if you ask me Aug 06 20:44:43 Yashy: i know :) Aug 06 20:44:54 tdobson goqtopia Aug 06 20:45:17 madjo: well considering i have about 2 hours to hack and i have, erm 4 days experience with 2007 i'll stick with that Aug 06 20:45:26 heh Aug 06 20:45:45 well I just threw out my well working 2007.2 image for an incomplete 2008.8 image :S Aug 06 20:46:04 well it was well enough Aug 06 20:46:05 madjo: same here, although I am back on 2007.2 Aug 06 20:46:18 nah, I'm going to try 2008.8 Aug 06 20:46:24 it's not my day-to-day phone yet Aug 06 20:46:28 The only thing I've had working really smoothly was the QTopia image, but there's so much more potential in the others. Aug 06 20:46:31 okies. i'll wait til i don't have an important thing coming up Aug 06 20:46:43 madjo: i seem to be suffering from the sim card hardware issue Aug 06 20:46:51 which is really annoying Aug 06 20:46:55 don't have a spare simcard here :) Aug 06 20:46:59 The sad thing for me is that I actually think that 2008.8 is as functional for me as my Treo 650. Aug 06 20:47:05 (some sim cards don't seem to work with the neo) Aug 06 20:47:31 btw, what are those weird +s at the bottom of certain settings screens? Aug 06 20:47:53 the Treo 650 i used to *dream* of getting one of those. needless to say, what i have now is better :) Aug 06 20:48:15 madjo: probably placeholders Aug 06 20:48:19 tdobson: "one of those"? Aug 06 20:48:32 tdobson, I got one (or rather, had my employer buy me one) the month it came out. Worst tech purchase I've ever made. Aug 06 20:48:50 madjo: i have spare sim cards. but i got them all at the same time from the same operator and they are the same model. so it's annoying Aug 06 20:48:59 ah Aug 06 20:49:06 ok, uboot and kernel done, flashing 2008.8(.6) :) Aug 06 20:49:36 dingman: hmm. i used to have a palm zire 31. it sucked for everything but it was practically indestructible.... Aug 06 20:49:48 what is the latest repo address for 2007.2 Aug 06 20:50:16 tdobson: i have a block of virgin delrite, highlighy similar user experience Aug 06 20:50:22 tdobson: The 650 is the only Palm device I've ever had that I didn't like. Can't say I had a Zire, though. Aug 06 20:50:43 hmmm I was able to change the clock settings earlier Aug 06 20:51:30 the zire was a lightweight cheap end colour device. really low resolution made is suck for the things you thought it must be useful for. Aug 06 20:52:18 the "classic" palm pdas seem to be much better (but when i say indestructible i mean, drop tested, water tested, soft drinks tested..... Aug 06 20:52:23 the alarm screen, can't alter the "change" settings :) Aug 06 20:52:55 AntonTakk: these are o2. pay and go sims Aug 06 20:53:21 er, ok Aug 06 20:53:31 when opening the time settings... the time gets reset to 20.00 12/31/7999 Aug 06 20:54:02 software from the future++ Aug 06 20:54:05 cool. does it tick forward from there? Aug 06 20:54:28 and the keyboard won't open:( Aug 06 20:57:04 madjo: what I'd find interesting: why exactly 7999? Did nostradamus promise something terrible to happen there? :D Aug 06 20:57:05 *grin*, now the 'options' and 'back' buttons disappear at the clock screen... haha Aug 06 20:57:30 that is just before 8000, they seem to like the number 8 Aug 06 20:57:42 madjo, that's what I was experiencing Aug 06 20:57:57 I could get to that screen just now, just not save the settings Aug 06 20:59:07 I had the same issue, must exist since quite a while Aug 06 21:00:34 boot, baby, boot... Aug 06 21:00:46 haha Aug 06 21:01:05 oh damn... have to setup the opkg files Aug 06 21:01:06 :) Aug 06 21:02:19 * Tanuva would like to see all these different repos being merged into one community-repo to prevent version conflicts etc... Aug 06 21:02:38 +1 Aug 06 21:02:54 * dingman would like to be able to find the repos at all Aug 06 21:02:59 *g* Aug 06 21:03:34 hey. any idea what the correct method is? Aug 06 21:03:35 Method "addContact" with signature "s" on interface "org.gnome.evolution.dataserver.addressbook.Book" doesn't exist Aug 06 21:04:38 Tanuva: from what i understand it just needs someone to take responsibility for the "multiverse" repo and they all can be merged Aug 06 21:04:43 dingman: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories Aug 06 21:05:15 which ones for 2008.8? :P Aug 06 21:05:44 btw, suspend.. if you mean, screen blanking? then that works... Aug 06 21:06:00 power-saving mode... doesn't seem so Aug 06 21:06:02 tdobson, I must be using them wrong, 'cause I can't run 'opkg upgrade' Aug 06 21:06:19 which distro are you using? dingman Aug 06 21:06:20 can you ping google.com? Aug 06 21:06:21 tdobson: if I just had the knowledge to do so :/ Aug 06 21:06:47 Tanuva: likewise. or i possibly do but haven't looked carefully enough. Aug 06 21:07:02 madjo, openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk--20080806-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Aug 06 21:07:25 er Aug 06 21:07:26 hmm, did you set up the repository files? (in /etc/opkg) Aug 06 21:07:42 those still point to "my-distribution.org" which is incorrect Aug 06 21:07:45 dummy files Aug 06 21:07:46 I did something to them. Might even have been right. Aug 06 21:08:25 src/gz daily-all http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all Aug 06 21:08:31 src/gz base http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2007/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/ Aug 06 21:08:36 src/gz daily-armv4t http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t Aug 06 21:08:43 src/gz daily-community-repository http://downloads.openmoko.org/community-repository Aug 06 21:08:45 madjo: the 2008.8 repos is probably http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CommunityRepository Aug 06 21:08:53 src/gz daily-om-gta02 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02 Aug 06 21:08:53 there is a replacement package in people.openmoko.org/graeme to fix the feed paths Aug 06 21:09:06 Does anybody else have the menu options at the bottom of the screen constantly disappear and have the home screen there instead? Aug 06 21:09:24 yup Centaur5 Aug 06 21:09:26 I wouldn't say constantly, but it happens. Aug 06 21:09:41 madjo: okay, I was just wondering if I screwed up a repository. Aug 06 21:11:15 guys, I have downloaded the latest 2007.2 (devel), and am unable to install openmoko-agpsui Aug 06 21:11:20 not present in the repos Aug 06 21:11:30 huh. I said I couldn't get update to work, then tried it again to get the exact error message, and it worked. Aug 06 21:11:33 add the scaredycat repo Aug 06 21:11:40 done Aug 06 21:11:46 madjo: not there, either Aug 06 21:11:58 huh, weird Aug 06 21:12:22 madjo, do you have a working terminal and/or web browser? Aug 06 21:12:38 ssh'ed into the device Aug 06 21:12:39 rysiek|pl: Did you try openmoko-agpsui2 ? Aug 06 21:12:40 madjo: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/ Aug 06 21:12:43 still need to set it up Aug 06 21:12:53 madjo, so far, me too. Aug 06 21:12:54 abraxa_: tried opkg list | grep agps Aug 06 21:12:57 still need to find the repos for 2008.8 Aug 06 21:12:58 rysiek|pl: Ah ok Aug 06 21:13:08 Tried openmoko-terminal2, but it didn't work. Aug 06 21:13:17 Launched, but couldn't type Aug 06 21:13:36 seems to me that ASU is one step forward and 5 steps back Aug 06 21:13:36 ffs Aug 06 21:13:45 I flashed 200808, but there's not terminal and usb/wifi seems not to work. anyone have a different experience of 200808 ? Aug 06 21:13:50 is there a special way to run python scripts? Aug 06 21:13:54 wifi works for me, matholio Aug 06 21:14:13 but indeed terminal is missing Aug 06 21:14:32 matholio, me too, both counts. Aug 06 21:14:32 madjo: how do you know if your conected via wifi? Aug 06 21:15:03 I wasn't sure... I just tried to ssh into the first available IP address in my network Aug 06 21:15:05 and it worked Aug 06 21:15:07 any indicator? my find the AP but does not ovbiously connect. Aug 06 21:15:24 in the top bar, you see the signal strength Aug 06 21:15:39 right next to the clock Aug 06 21:16:06 Did someone try to connect a bluetooth headset? Aug 06 21:16:27 I did with qtopia Aug 06 21:16:43 it connected but no sound through mic Aug 06 21:17:09 but nice gui and it did connect well Aug 06 21:17:10 railer: Ok thanks, and how did you do this? Aug 06 21:17:32 there's a GUI on qtopia Aug 06 21:17:32 railer: ahh oke, so there's a gui in qtopiq for it Aug 06 21:19:16 I could only turn it on or off Aug 06 21:19:21 hrm Aug 06 21:19:23 in ASU Aug 06 21:19:42 Anyone have a version of df-util that sucessfully backs up a FreeRunner? I'd really like to be able to save an image before I futz with things, but it doesn't seem to work for me. Aug 06 21:19:44 2008.8 from 8/6 doesn't seem to do the usb networking thing properly Aug 06 21:20:05 and when I try to just read /dev/mtdblock1, it stops after a few K. Aug 06 21:20:17 I presume when it sees the first EOF character. Aug 06 21:20:25 I'd like that one as well, dingman :) Aug 06 21:21:32 what would be a decent TTFF for the old GTA02 (without the hardware GPS fix), but on the latest kernel (i.e. with a software fix)? Aug 06 21:21:44 Has someone else succesfully connected a bluetooth headset in openmoko? Aug 06 21:21:44 what I'm using at the moment is dfu-util "version 0.1+svnexported" from the package in Debian unstable. Aug 06 21:22:28 tried to connect my car last night in the QTopia image. Managed to hang the FreeRunner, but that was all. Aug 06 21:22:52 dingman: EOF character? Aug 06 21:23:05 ^D Aug 06 21:23:22 rysiek|pl, it should be within a minute.. but I haven't been able to get it that far Aug 06 21:23:24 dingman: but that only applies to terminals? Aug 06 21:23:35 Well... it should Aug 06 21:23:38 Is the GPS supposed to automatically work? Aug 06 21:23:38 dingman: are you cat'ing the binary file to your terminal? Aug 06 21:23:41 madjo: damn, 5mins and counting here :/ Aug 06 21:23:43 mind you I live on the ground floor of a flat,and I only tried it on my balcony Aug 06 21:23:57 with or without SD card? Aug 06 21:23:58 :) Aug 06 21:24:01 with Aug 06 21:24:02 lindi: no, I'm catting it to 'nc -l -p 200' Aug 06 21:24:02 (just checking) Aug 06 21:24:13 madjo: with, but WITH the software fix Aug 06 21:24:23 dingman: then no terminal should be involved Aug 06 21:24:29 I haven't been able to get a fix myself Aug 06 21:24:45 previously it took 10-20+ mins Aug 06 21:24:53 no, but both dd and cat in the QTopia image quit not very far in to the HD image. Aug 06 21:24:59 now I hoped to get some improvements... Aug 06 21:25:00 That seems the most likely reason Aug 06 21:25:12 dingman: sounds very odd Aug 06 21:25:15 it should be pretty quick, if I have to believe the mailing list Aug 06 21:25:23 they don't do that on a full-on Linux install, but the busybox versions of tools are often a little quirky. Aug 06 21:25:27 dingman: ^D is definitely a property of terminal device Aug 06 21:26:08 btw, how do I change the UI in 2008.8 to the slider UI? Aug 06 21:26:11 lindi-: not arguing about what should be. Just know I've seen a few programs that reacted to it that way even though they weren't terminals Aug 06 21:26:28 madjo, I think it's in the launcher prefs. Aug 06 21:27:00 dingman: can you reproduce it reliably? Aug 06 21:27:05 dingman: strace? Aug 06 21:27:20 lindi-, yes, haven't straced it. Aug 06 21:27:25 dingman: please do Aug 06 21:29:48 can't access the launcher prefs Aug 06 21:30:52 lindi-, where should I put the strace output. Pasting it all here would be rude. Aug 06 21:31:07 ~pastebin Aug 06 21:31:08 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste Aug 06 21:31:22 i cant use my contacts well on 2008.8 :(( Aug 06 21:31:30 i do have them in a .vcf format Aug 06 21:31:45 it worked beautifully on evolution. unfortunately it breaks on 2008.8 Aug 06 21:31:46 grr Aug 06 21:31:46 I get a black screen when I start that app Aug 06 21:31:50 dingman: webserver or rafb.net/paste probably Aug 06 21:32:15 i have no idea what the contacts application expects from the vcf file Aug 06 21:32:21 can someone send me a sample contact? Aug 06 21:32:56 Guilt: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts Aug 06 21:32:56 I doubt the 2008.8 release on friday is any useful, Aug 06 21:33:16 like I said, i have the vcf file Aug 06 21:33:21 and it works on 2007.2 Aug 06 21:33:24 but not qtopa Aug 06 21:33:40 qtopia/2008.8 :-) Aug 06 21:34:01 running the addressbook app doesnt help. i dont see any names or numbers being imported. Aug 06 21:34:24 2008.8 from 8/6 doesn't seem to do the usb networking properly Aug 06 21:34:55 howso, AntonTakk? Aug 06 21:35:44 lindi-, http://rafb.net/p/JBLe2o36.html Aug 06 21:36:05 i have it connected and can't ping or ssh to 192.168.0.202 Aug 06 21:36:27 how did you connect to it? Aug 06 21:36:44 ...i plugged the usb cable in at both ends Aug 06 21:36:54 you did ifconfig usb0 ? :) Aug 06 21:37:05 handled automatically Aug 06 21:37:09 lindi-, hold on, looks like the docs I was looking at were pointing me to the wrong root device Aug 06 21:37:13 usb0 is up and working on my desktop Aug 06 21:37:33 set it up weeks ago and haven't had any problems till now Aug 06 21:37:40 hmmm... Aug 06 21:37:46 good question then... Aug 06 21:37:52 I'll try it here... just a sec Aug 06 21:38:31 dingman: yeah, as you can see it doesn't read ^D Aug 06 21:38:40 yup Aug 06 21:39:04 I also see that the block device size doesn't match up with what I was reading that said #1 was root. Aug 06 21:39:15 Am I right that I really want #4? Aug 06 21:39:30 Is there a working file browser for openmoko? Aug 06 21:39:57 there's a terminal :P Aug 06 21:39:59 indeed... AntonTakk, it seems broken here too Aug 06 21:40:17 I found one in scaredy cats repository Aug 06 21:42:28 do I still need the neo1973 feed for the gta2v5? :) Aug 06 21:45:40 madjo: seems to work when booting fr with usb connected Aug 06 21:46:30 when I try to run the headset script I get the following error: sh: headset: Permission denied Aug 06 21:46:42 chmod +x it Aug 06 21:47:03 how do I turn my phone off with 2008.8? Aug 06 21:47:04 :) Aug 06 21:47:13 hold the power button down Aug 06 21:47:16 What does official release of 2008.8 mean if it is unstable? Aug 06 21:47:19 for a little bit Aug 06 21:47:26 15 seconds? Aug 06 21:47:33 that should do it Aug 06 21:47:56 with 2007.2 I got a nice screen where I could select "shutdown" Aug 06 21:48:00 or pull up a console and type "shutdown now" Aug 06 21:48:04 but there I could also use the power button to close apps Aug 06 21:48:13 a console? in 2008.8? where? Aug 06 21:48:15 said the repos for 2008.8 were broken? ir is it just the config shipped in the image that is broken? Aug 06 21:48:17 asu sucks thats all there is too it Aug 06 21:48:33 the repos in the image are incorrect Aug 06 21:48:46 and docs on fixing that? Aug 06 21:48:51 so far I'm inclined to agree with you kd8ikt :) Aug 06 21:49:05 but I'd like to help to let it suck less :) Aug 06 21:49:14 am looking for the same info, AntonTakk Aug 06 21:49:26 so far hand adding the repos myself isn't working for me Aug 06 21:49:42 adding them manually I mean Aug 06 21:49:42 Can someone recommend me the least frusterating image they know of to flash onto my fr? Aug 06 21:49:47 18mins and still no GPS FF Aug 06 21:50:11 safiiru: asu from 7/15 Aug 06 21:50:28 What can I do about the followinf error : sh: headset: Permission ? Aug 06 21:50:33 really? AntonTakk... that one is usable? ok Aug 06 21:50:35 rysiek|pl: are you inside? Aug 06 21:50:39 AntonTakk: Thank you, I will try that one. Aug 06 21:50:52 madjo: used it as my daily phone for several weeks Aug 06 21:51:04 AntonTakk: Does that also mean I should not opkg upgrade from that or it will get messed up? Aug 06 21:51:12 UndrWater: yeah, I have got only roof above me though; and BEFORE flashing I got fixes after 15mins her Aug 06 21:51:27 UndrWater: now, AFTER flashing, it's 20mins and still naught Aug 06 21:51:27 then something is broken, rysiek|pl :S Aug 06 21:51:31 safiiru: imho, yes Aug 06 21:51:42 AntonTakk: k Aug 06 21:51:50 madjo: well I'd never! Aug 06 21:51:58 I'm going to get the 7/15 one then, AntonTakk... Aug 06 21:52:00 ;) Aug 06 21:52:11 rysiek|pl: i've noticed that any obstruction to open sky creates fix problems...as soon as i have about 30 degree open sky, FF is about a minute or two Aug 06 21:52:30 under which image, UndrWater? Aug 06 21:52:49 ahh...that was 2007...haven't yet tried gps under other images Aug 06 21:53:00 great, but as I said - in the same circumstances (on an older image though) I got fix in ~15mins Aug 06 21:53:19 so...software related problem... Aug 06 21:53:28 UndrWater: and now I am on the newer kernel that is supposed to have Teh Magic Software Fix(tm) Aug 06 21:53:46 If I sit outside my house, it will often take much longer to get a fix than if I walk down the street Aug 06 21:53:57 rysiek|pl: you might see if there's a diff between card in and card out Aug 06 21:54:10 ? Aug 06 21:54:20 SD card Aug 06 21:54:31 UndrWater, wasnt that fix supposed to help with getting a fix with the sd card inserted? Aug 06 21:54:36 UndrWater: right Aug 06 21:54:38 i know new kernel is supposed to fix it... Aug 06 21:54:43 but just to check Aug 06 21:55:01 process of elimination Aug 06 21:55:07 Will the 2007 Image be updated anymore Aug 06 21:55:14 well I removed the card from my moko, and tried to get a fix with 2008.8 (image of 0806) and nothing Aug 06 21:55:23 I doubt it Torikun Aug 06 21:55:25 sadly Aug 06 21:55:28 Torikun: apparently some folks will maintain it...dunno wh Aug 06 21:55:29 who Aug 06 21:55:46 There is not a good useable version yet of anything Aug 06 21:55:48 how is FSO coming along. Anyone know? Aug 06 21:55:58 * UndrWater is flashing FSO now Aug 06 21:56:01 well 2007 was pretty usable to me :) Aug 06 21:56:09 The phone stuff worked when I tried FSO. Aug 06 21:56:20 UndrWater, do you have a working dfu-util to make image backups? :) Aug 06 21:56:45 madjo: haven't tried it yet Aug 06 21:56:59 but my dfu-util works for flashing Aug 06 21:57:09 what's the backup process? Aug 06 21:57:20 a D instead of a U ... :) Aug 06 21:57:36 hi there Aug 06 21:58:12 I meant that in reverse Aug 06 21:58:19 MokoMakefile fails building, I want to try clean-package... but I don't know how to find the package name Aug 06 21:58:34 something like this: ./dfu-util -a rootfs -R -U good-rootfs.jffs2 Aug 06 21:58:47 a U instead of a D Aug 06 21:59:42 well,I'm calling it a night Aug 06 21:59:51 tomorrow, back to my old phone Aug 06 22:00:46 so that pulls off the root file system...and places it on the PC? Aug 06 22:01:01 yup Aug 06 22:01:05 well that's the idea Aug 06 22:01:07 except that it dies partway through, that is Aug 06 22:01:12 for me, it fails with a usb error -110 Aug 06 22:01:22 takes about 14k, and then stops Aug 06 22:01:23 hmmm...where is it documented? Aug 06 22:01:34 What is the best OS to install on this phone>? Aug 06 22:01:46 Torikun: linux Aug 06 22:01:54 pjzDistro Aug 06 22:01:56 Torikun: debian? Aug 06 22:02:05 Nothing really works good on any distro so far Aug 06 22:02:16 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup Aug 06 22:02:17 qtopia is reasonably usable Aug 06 22:02:26 but it does not have gps or web Aug 06 22:02:31 2 big features Aug 06 22:02:31 yup Aug 06 22:02:32 UndrWater, on that link I just pasted :) Aug 06 22:02:42 UndrWater: emdebian would be ideal probably, the phone apps could then just be debian packages on top of it Aug 06 22:02:47 madjo: tnks...i'll give it a try Aug 06 22:02:51 Torikun: that's why it's called a developers phone Aug 06 22:02:58 ;p; Aug 06 22:03:26 lindi-: i have no doubt the gentoo folks will try as well ;) Aug 06 22:03:38 emerge dialer Aug 06 22:03:52 UndrWater: yep sure Aug 06 22:04:02 good night everyone Aug 06 22:04:29 UndrWater: but then you'd need to be really careful not to accidentally bring any non-free stuff Aug 06 22:04:33 I just find it hard to figure out where to start developing when I often can't keep my phone from imploding all the time :P Aug 06 22:04:36 anybody any ideas why mediaplayer might not load? Aug 06 22:05:05 lindi-: easily controlled in /etc/make.conf Aug 06 22:05:26 safiiru: your phone actually implodes! Can I get the code for that? Aug 06 22:05:30 :) Aug 06 22:05:44 UndrWater: unfortunately not, those who write ebuilds usually just trust what upstream says and don't check the copyright issues Aug 06 22:06:00 railer: you could overcharge the battery and by that time also burn the charger by pulling too much energy :D Aug 06 22:06:48 railer: while(true){if(rand() % 2) implode();} Aug 06 22:06:53 Tanuva: that's sounds like a hardware solution, let the network guys do that. Aug 06 22:07:25 UndrWater: unfortunately copyright issues can't yet be analyzed automatically with software :) Aug 06 22:08:36 lindi-: maintainers check ebuilds before they're made official... Aug 06 22:08:36 How do you all recomend Qtopia? Aug 06 22:08:48 railer: you can do that by software, have a look at the /sys-jungle ;) Aug 06 22:08:50 deleted :) Aug 06 22:09:15 UndrWater: but afaik they don't check the license texts of each file Aug 06 22:09:30 UndrWater: see e.g. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168616 Aug 06 22:09:43 Is there any sort of automated testing that goes on after a build? Aug 06 22:10:12 safiiru: That's a good one Aug 06 22:10:18 heh Aug 06 22:10:52 yay, my neo suspends again after all... Aug 06 22:11:07 hrm Aug 06 22:11:41 i think i'm actually fairly attached to fso's ringtone Aug 06 22:11:44 but it doesnt come up. Aug 06 22:13:38 It is very liberating when you write tests for all your code, after you get past the freakyness of complex things working on the first time you run them. Aug 06 22:13:42 Torikun: what do you want to do? Aug 06 22:14:00 Iwanted to use all the features Aug 06 22:14:05 Seems like Qtopia is the most stable Aug 06 22:14:07 and useable Aug 06 22:14:19 it pretty much is... Aug 06 22:14:26 How well will 2008 be? Aug 06 22:14:32 I can not wait Aug 06 22:14:58 mickey_away: are you around? Aug 06 22:15:01 lindi-: looking at the "openness" of this phone, it's not so clear either... Aug 06 22:15:04 UndrWater: also. "amanda" is tagged with LICENSE="as-is" Aug 06 22:15:12 lindi-: right Aug 06 22:15:12 UndrWater: and "spim" is tagged with LICENSE="as-is" Aug 06 22:15:22 UndrWater: amanda is free, spim is not. how do you tell the difference? Aug 06 22:15:22 but i suppose we can control the software Aug 06 22:15:27 right! Aug 06 22:15:50 emdete: Judging by his nick saying away, and that it is 2-3AM in taiwan now :] Aug 06 22:16:18 UndrWater: even python-mode is tagged LICENSE="as-is" Aug 06 22:16:34 ah well... Aug 06 22:16:46 safiiru: If Openmoko would test *anything*, we wouldn't be in the dilemmas we are in today. Aug 06 22:16:56 i was curious what portage on my 8G SD card would be like ;) Aug 06 22:16:57 UndrWater: so unfortunately free software does not seem to be a high priority there :( Aug 06 22:16:58 bkruse: mickey's states are always kind of weird ;) Aug 06 22:17:07 Very true :) Aug 06 22:17:38 abraxa_: i lately compiled "git" - did you ever do that? it comes with around 300 test cases runing after a compile!! Aug 06 22:17:53 emdete: Yeah I read Aug 06 22:17:55 lindi-: how important is it for all the software to be free? Aug 06 22:18:06 is there somewhere an overview which ring of the 4-ringed-headset-jack carries what? Aug 06 22:18:21 * Tanuva wants to solder an 2.5->3.5mm adaptor Aug 06 22:18:32 is there a toggle keyboard on/off for minimo using multitap-pad Aug 06 22:18:50 Tanuva: you can buy those - as far as i know it's as nokia does it Aug 06 22:19:01 abraxa_: It is not very professional. I write concurrent programs that run over 100s of machines now, and If I just guessed it worked, that would be like ~$100 wasted every time something failed. Aug 06 22:19:13 emdete: but buying them is far more expensive than soldering it myself :) Aug 06 22:19:37 is there any replacement battery that lasts longer for the neo1973? Aug 06 22:19:44 does the freerunner come with a longer lasting battery? Aug 06 22:19:52 Tanuva: not true: i got mine for around 2.5eur Aug 06 22:20:14 emdete: oh. maybe my info is out of date Aug 06 22:20:34 Tanuva: and self soldered is larger anyway... Aug 06 22:20:41 orzo: not an answer to your question...but how much time are you getting? Aug 06 22:21:05 i dont know, 5 hours or so Aug 06 22:21:10 I guess the Linux Kernel itself doesn't even have unit tests though, does it. Aug 06 22:21:37 emdete: that's my main problem, I can't find a 2.5mm-4ring-angulated one Aug 06 22:22:00 i understand power managemetn can be improved, but really,... i don't think it can be improved enough Aug 06 22:22:28 emdete: and it's the one for nokia that does the job? Aug 06 22:22:50 safiiru: Nothing I can tell you here. All I know is that a good amount of the people working for Openmoko in Taiwan aren't doing their job right. Aug 06 22:23:07 Tanuva: i wonder why mo does pack a headphone - a adapter with a ppt-switch and micro would be nice. samsung starts to deliver those only Aug 06 22:23:13 maybe a clip on battery pack would make it more useful Aug 06 22:23:19 Tanuva: yes, i bought that kind and it works Aug 06 22:23:30 Tanuva: no micro.. Aug 06 22:24:41 Tanuva: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-March/013791.html Aug 06 22:25:05 emdete: I just want stereo out :) Aug 06 22:26:00 orzo: what are your expectations? Aug 06 22:26:04 mmontour: ha, thanks :) Aug 06 22:26:25 Tanuva: shure, but dont forget to unplug when starting to take a phonecall Aug 06 22:26:34 emdete: Did you buy your one on the net and have some url? I'm just infiltrating amazon and can't find ones for nokia with 4 rings... Aug 06 22:26:56 or does the 3 ringed one do it? Aug 06 22:27:04 AFAIK it's the Motorola adapter that you want, not the Nokia one Aug 06 22:27:19 oh. now this is getting interesting Oo Aug 06 22:27:23 UndrWater: at least 12 hours if i'm not using gps Aug 06 22:27:36 actually Aug 06 22:27:40 Tanuva: it was on german ebay... Aug 06 22:27:45 the bluetooth in the neo is useless because of its poor battery life Aug 06 22:27:58 you have to tether it up any chance you get anyway Aug 06 22:28:00 www.pinouts.ru or something has data for lots of different connectors, so you can probably look there and compare the wiring to what the FR uses Aug 06 22:28:02 so whats the point of wireless Aug 06 22:28:17 hi guys, anyone got a url for the mplayer package handy? Aug 06 22:28:27 emdete: hmmm.. so I continue searching for one, at least I now know what to search for :) Aug 06 22:28:33 gota go Aug 06 22:35:49 When Qtopia says no network, does it mean I am having SIMissues or no signal? Aug 06 22:36:12 the latter i'd say Aug 06 22:36:27 Tanuva: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3541 isn't this it? Aug 06 22:36:27 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r82a067a75462 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: Use right method _rightHandSide in SimGetSimInfo Aug 06 22:36:41 $1.30 US, free shipping worldwide Aug 06 22:36:47 any qtopia people here? When will there be an update? Aug 06 22:37:42 kelvie: free worldwide shipping for a $1.30 device, that's... strange XD Aug 06 22:37:47 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * ra9bf6a3043ba 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: ok. qwerty gone. Aug 06 22:37:47 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r93505f24794e 10/conf/distro/ (include/sane-srcrevs.inc openmoko.conf): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev Aug 06 22:37:58 kelvie: but that adaptor should work, you say? Aug 06 22:38:26 I'm not sure (waiting for the GPS fix before I get my FR), but I ordered one of those Aug 06 22:38:30 Torikun: lpotter / ljp is the qtopia person here (not ASU/2008.8, though) Aug 06 22:38:31 it's 4-pin to stereo 3.5 Aug 06 22:38:44 ty abraxa_ Aug 06 22:38:48 Qtopia is really nice Aug 06 22:39:19 Tanuva: and they have free shipping for $0.50 items :p Aug 06 22:39:37 often times I would just go there and buy one or two items under $2 and have them ship separately Aug 06 22:40:03 kelvie: it's important which 2.5mm ring is linked to which 3.5mm ring...but there can't go much wrong for $1.30, especially because I'm in europe and will be paying in € :D Aug 06 22:40:51 Tanuva: er crap.. I think that one's wrong Aug 06 22:40:53 it's backwards Aug 06 22:40:57 it's a male 3.5mm I think Aug 06 22:41:07 its not Aug 06 22:41:20 wait is it... Aug 06 22:41:22 I can't tell :P Aug 06 22:41:24 the headline says "4-Ping 2.5mm to 3.5mm" Aug 06 22:41:55 s/3.5mm/3.5mm stereo/ Aug 06 22:41:56 Tanuva meant: the headline says "4-Ping 2.5mm to 3.5mm stereo" Aug 06 22:42:33 ah, oka Aug 06 22:42:45 either way I've ordered one Aug 06 22:42:51 hard to go wrong for less than a euro for you guys :p Aug 06 22:43:01 I think I'll do the same Aug 06 22:43:37 hope that my father's credit card doesn't have transaction fees or something like that :D Aug 06 22:43:43 meh, going back to fso Aug 06 22:43:47 (since I don't have my own card yet) Aug 06 22:44:25 Tanuva: you aren't uk based are you? # http://www.blog.tdobson.net/node/232 Aug 06 22:44:56 tdobson: no, germany :) Aug 06 22:45:22 kelvie: damn! they only accept paypal and I definitely won't ever open up a paypal account again... Aug 06 22:45:59 Tanuva: bah. :) it was worth asking :) Aug 06 22:46:42 * Tanuva returns to amazon and ebay for his hunt **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 06 22:57:16 2008 Aug 06 23:02:13 how do i get rid off the X missed calls? Aug 06 23:06:58 anyone know or have link to doco for qtopia phone stack ? I want to find the contacts file/db to backup to my desktop Aug 06 23:07:54 XorA|gone: ping - why does linux-openmoko in .dev still not find the neo1973_pm_gps.h file - I thought that was fixed? Aug 06 23:15:46 Has anyone used opkg on FSO? Aug 06 23:19:08 I have, kind of Aug 06 23:19:39 I just put the angstrom distro in my /etc/opkg dir Aug 06 23:20:01 oh, and there's a new fso feed that's there but only showed up like yestrday or something and I think I put that in there too Aug 06 23:20:10 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r6e14ebcb01f5 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: Append the subscriber numbers as name, number tuple. Aug 06 23:20:53 abraxa_, I have also once but have flashed back to qtopia stack Aug 06 23:20:55 pjz: So you haven't encountered the "An error ocurred, return value: 2." issue, I take it? Aug 06 23:21:39 abraxa_: that usually means the package you wanted to install doesn't exist Aug 06 23:23:28 pjz: It does, but I "solved" it by downloading the ipk manually Aug 06 23:24:10 abraxa_: so now you do opkg install foo.ipk and you get that? Aug 06 23:24:51 * pjz reboots his phone into FSO Aug 06 23:25:01 pjz: Other way round "opkg install python-difflib" gives me the error, "opkg install python-difflib-moo.ipk" installs the package I downloaded with no complaints Aug 06 23:25:19 * rwhitby is going to build the openmoko-feed task for fso on the nslu2-linux.org autobuilder and put some feeds up for gta01 and gta02 Aug 06 23:25:49 abraxa_: do opkg list |grep python-difflib and see if it's listed Aug 06 23:26:02 abraxa_: sounds to me like opkg can't find it on any of your feeds Aug 06 23:27:02 hipitihop_: its in ~/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite Aug 06 23:27:52 rwhitby: I know it's a tad off-topic here but since you're the father of nslu2-linux.org I figure I should ask. At home I'm using my slug as a router and thus touch it pretty rarely. Hence I'm running an older kernel (it came with SlugOS 3 I think). I needed some modules but couldn't find them anymore, while the modules built by the master makefile were of a conflicting kernel version. Is there any way this mess can be avoided? Aug 06 23:28:40 abraxa_: you can use the master makefile to build a previous release Aug 06 23:28:55 and the modules should be in our binary release feed Aug 06 23:28:59 (assuming you used a binary release) Aug 06 23:29:34 rwhitby: Is there any way to find out what release I flashed? I'm pretty sure I flashed SlugOS 3 but it's been so long... Aug 06 23:29:35 anybody here using the phone in any incarnation daily? Aug 06 23:29:45 abraxa_: cat /etc/issue Aug 06 23:29:47 I used it for half a day and was super happy (FSO II) Aug 06 23:29:54 but my text messages didn't seem to work so hot Aug 06 23:29:55 abraxa_: shall we move this to #nslu2-linux ? Aug 06 23:30:30 I'd gladly get on it and start banging on dbus though...I want ruby on there Aug 06 23:37:37 anyone get boot do SD working on a card larger than 512? Aug 06 23:39:14 someone has, but I don't remember his nick Aug 06 23:41:48 anyone got any ideas of how to more than google talk/jabber & irc working in pidgin (without using transports) on 2007.2? Aug 06 23:45:02 bah. someone hijacked pidgin's exit message :( Aug 06 23:45:31 *g* Aug 06 23:46:23 I just managed to decompile zhone.edj using the edje-utils package/edje_decc. Now I try to compile it again, but build.sh complains about a missing embryo_cc. Where can I get this from (building on the neo)? Aug 06 23:47:03 oy vey Aug 06 23:47:06 long day of work Aug 06 23:48:37 tunys: embryo Aug 06 23:48:54 anyone get opkg lock errors on om2008.8? Aug 06 23:49:39 raster: that is... where? [sorry if I seem dumb, but e17 stuff is totally new to me :)] Aug 06 23:50:36 ah, there's some libembryo0... Aug 06 23:50:53 * rooly needs to add a few lines to his wifi script Aug 06 23:52:18 ... but that doesn't really get me further Aug 06 23:53:43 bbl Aug 06 23:54:58 yay, opkg segfaults reproducably... Aug 06 23:56:22 Tanuva, how to reproduce? Aug 06 23:57:16 mornin all! Aug 06 23:57:21 quickdev: I tried to downgrade libembryo from 0.9.9x to 0.9.1x (needed for libembryo-dev). after telling me that it's downloading the older version it segfaults Aug 06 23:57:49 strace ;) Aug 06 23:57:50 quickdev: http://rafb.net/p/jbLvYv74.html Aug 06 23:58:02 onem oment, neo's rebooting Aug 06 23:59:36 no sound using media player? :0 Aug 07 00:02:05 quickdev: hmm.. how do I also get stderr >'ed into a file? Aug 07 00:02:20 argh, google is my friend >.< Aug 07 00:02:25 in the same like stdout? Aug 07 00:02:29 2>&1 Aug 07 00:02:47 ./program 2>&1 > file.log should work Aug 07 00:03:55 more precise: I'm trying to do: strace opkg -force-downgrade install libembryo-dev - but that puts all the trace on the terminal and not into the logfile Aug 07 00:04:26 quickdev: that doesn't work Oo Aug 07 00:04:28 2>/some/file to redirect only stderr Aug 07 00:04:50 ah. dumb me Aug 07 00:05:02 I inserted blanks: 2 > file ;D Aug 07 00:05:08 doesn't work then Aug 07 00:06:18 Tanuva, cmd 1>outfile.txt 2>&1 Aug 07 00:06:40 quickdev: only the trace: d-etch.homelinux.net/files/opkglog Aug 07 00:06:53 Tanuva, report a bug ;) Aug 07 00:07:54 hello everyone Aug 07 00:08:17 why can't won't my freerunner reflash with a newer rootfs it keeps timeing out in the middle of the transfer Aug 07 00:08:29 I even tried rebooting into linux and got the same result Aug 07 00:10:14 ... Aug 07 00:10:14 brian|lfs: My guess is that your battery is almost empty Aug 07 00:10:36 woot, i have had teh neo for 3 days... Aug 07 00:10:43 Congrats Aug 07 00:10:46 brian|lfs: what version u-boot is it? recent versions do not timeout during transfers Aug 07 00:10:57 the uboot worked fine Aug 07 00:11:01 and the kernel Aug 07 00:11:09 I installed the lated 20088 of both Aug 07 00:11:28 quickdev: hm. just to prevent creating an account for nothing - oe bugtracker is right, isn't it? Aug 07 00:11:29 its just the rootfs times out everytime Aug 07 00:11:33 does the neo timeout and power off, or does the dfu-util transfer timeout but the neo is still active? Aug 07 00:11:45 dfu-trnasfer times out Aug 07 00:11:54 ok, nothing to do with uboot then. Aug 07 00:11:55 I look at the device and the screen will still be lit Aug 07 00:12:17 try a different host and/or cable Aug 07 00:12:31 good point Aug 07 00:12:48 I'm thinking its my 690i chipset that is a somewhat new chipset Aug 07 00:12:55 Tanuva, good question. Don't know. Aug 07 00:13:08 quickdev: then I'll just put it there Aug 07 00:13:53 i want to install lua... Aug 07 00:16:04 hm.. which version of angstrom might fso be based on? Aug 07 00:16:45 hmm can't find another usb cable Aug 07 00:17:07 Tanuva: root@om-gta02:~# cat /etc/angstrom-version Aug 07 00:17:08 Angstrom -20080729 Aug 07 00:17:13 dunno if that helps :) Aug 07 00:17:18 helps, thanks :) Aug 07 00:17:36 does FSO fast charge by default? Aug 07 00:17:50 my phone's plugged up and keeps dying Aug 07 00:19:28 yo yo yo Aug 07 00:20:06 xhrit: If you have OE/MokoMakefile set up, you can just "bitbake lua" and then install the package. Aug 07 00:25:08 cjb that version come with alot of games? Aug 07 00:26:16 im thinking of putting some else on here Aug 07 00:28:23 oh, I missed the 2008.8 release Aug 07 01:01:49 so... Aug 07 01:02:03 the wifi on the om2008.8 needs to be addressed Aug 07 01:07:14 raster: what? Aug 07 01:07:32 ? Aug 07 01:07:45 ooh sorrty Aug 07 01:07:52 tab-complete mis-direct Aug 07 01:09:05 oic Aug 07 01:17:25 I think I figured the problem out Aug 07 01:17:35 I had my mini sd card in my openmoko Aug 07 01:17:49 at least I hope that was the probably its taking forever to write the rootfs Aug 07 01:18:05 this time Aug 07 01:19:30 is that a good guess my mini sd card could of been causing problems rwhitby Aug 07 01:23:13 brian|lfs: I doubt it Aug 07 01:23:33 Almost everybody flashes with the SD card in. Aug 07 01:24:41 will it hasn't bombed out yet and it has been going for 3 times as long this time Aug 07 01:25:06 I'm thinking my itnernal ram on my openmoko might be bad Aug 07 01:26:58 how long does it take to download the rootfs usually anyhow when it works rihgt? Aug 07 01:27:50 few mins Aug 07 01:28:37 how about on usb 1 don't think my dual opteron has usb 2 Aug 07 01:28:39 lol Aug 07 01:29:11 neo/FR only has usb1.1 Aug 07 01:29:31 thats lame Aug 07 01:29:41 what a hunk of shit for 400 bucks Aug 07 01:29:56 they could of done a lot better like more internal memory and more ram Aug 07 01:30:14 I guess I can't expect much better from FIC Aug 07 01:30:18 brian|lfs: or they could have listened to fsckers like you and we still wouldn't have an actual phone Aug 07 01:30:21 It's not really that simple. Aug 07 01:30:47 I'm sorry I'm bitching I've had nothing but problems with mine Aug 07 01:31:03 Point to an open SoC with reasonably power consuption and availability, available in small quantities. Aug 07 01:31:04 I'm starting to wonder if its bad hardware Aug 07 01:31:15 brian|lfs: what kind of problems? Aug 07 01:31:24 lock ups when power save is on Aug 07 01:31:32 and battery drains extremely fast Aug 07 01:31:35 Battery life is very much a work in progress. Suspend works for some people in some images on freerunner, leading to >24h suspend times. It looks plausible from various sources of information and testing that 3-5 hours of talk time, 20h of mp3 playing, and a week of standby should be possible. Aug 07 01:31:39 brian|lfs: suspend is unstable Aug 07 01:31:47 brian|lfs: so is battery life Aug 07 01:31:57 brian|lfs: so: wait for it to get better Aug 07 01:32:06 I know it will get better Aug 07 01:32:12 brian|lfs: or if you're braver, test stuff out and help it get better Aug 07 01:32:20 how about gettign data to work over my sim card Aug 07 01:32:40 I've yet to find a wiki I can understand on that lol Aug 07 01:33:50 oh ya another problem I'm having is no one can hear me when I talk to them on my openmoko everyone says there is a bad buzzing sound Aug 07 01:35:21 I read that a capitor was put in the wrong palce thats why the sound quality isn't that good is that true? Aug 07 01:36:39 The sound quality is fine, but it creates an echo when the other person speaks. Aug 07 01:37:06 For me anyway. Aug 07 01:37:34 Their voice travels back into the microphone wihtout being cancelled and they hear an echo. Aug 07 01:38:50 ... Aug 07 01:40:31 echo Aug 07 01:40:43 I set an alarm on my FR, but it was turned off. It actually turned on and rang on time, which I find amazing. Aug 07 01:41:12 Nice since I use my current phone as reminder to wake up/do things. Aug 07 01:43:32 is anyone working on a volume control app? Aug 07 01:44:14 hrm, I guess I could run alsamixer in a terminal Aug 07 01:45:40 should I unplug my freerunner it hasn't errored out but the boxes stopped moving across the screen on the other hand? Aug 07 01:45:58 boxes? Aug 07 01:46:12 ya the boxes that show the percent that its loading the image at Aug 07 01:46:16 or suppsoe tro be Aug 07 01:50:19 hey pjz Aug 07 01:59:21 hey rwhitby here is the error I get Starting download: [#######################dfu_download error -5 Aug 07 01:59:21 Error during download Aug 07 02:00:08 brian|lfs: the hashes shouldn't stop Aug 07 02:00:13 I'm attempting to flash a new image to my FR, and dfu-util is being extremely non cooperative. When I run it without the FR connected it returns "Found Runtime: [0x0a5c:0x2101] devnum=2, cfg=0, intf=3, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED"" Aug 07 02:00:15 what's in dmesg on the host machine? Aug 07 02:00:45 deque: without the freerunner connected? that means you're finding some other dfu-capable device (like a bluetooth usb dongle) Aug 07 02:00:47 when I have the FR connected it sees two devices, and even if I specify the one that corresponds to the phone, it fails to flash Aug 07 02:00:58 I'm in windows vista Aug 07 02:00:59 make sure you use the vendor and product id options to dfu-util Aug 07 02:01:13 oh didn't Know I had to do that Aug 07 02:01:23 brian|lfs: um, that might have been a good piece of information to start with ... Aug 07 02:01:25 rwhitby: they both must be specified? Aug 07 02:01:46 deque: see the flash-* lines in the MokoMakefile for the correct values (or search the wiki) Aug 07 02:02:19 can't I do a -l to get them? Aug 07 02:02:28 it's amazing how often RTFW should be the answer Aug 07 02:02:55 brian|lfs: you're probably the only person here to run dfu-util under Vista, so I'd suggest getting a Linux LiveCD and using that to flash the freerunner, or talking to the person who ported dfu-util to windows. Aug 07 02:03:13 rwhitby: Where can I find the mokoMakefile? It soundsl ike thatm ight be more useful than what I've found in the wiki. Aug 07 02:03:23 I tired in Linux also on two machies and get the same result Aug 07 02:03:32 * pjz is fairly sure that mokomakefile is also mentoined on the wiki Aug 07 02:03:42 deque: choose the values from that one that is not found when the FR is disconnected, and use that on the command line. Aug 07 02:04:31 brian|lfs: have you tried linux on a different host yet? Aug 07 02:04:45 ya Aug 07 02:04:49 same result Aug 07 02:05:04 right, that's what I've done, ex: Aug 07 02:05:07 sudo ./dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D ~/openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 -d 0x1d50:0x5119 Aug 07 02:05:08 but anyhow this is what I get when Id o dfu-util.exe -l Aug 07 02:05:16 brian|lfs: can't help you then, sorry. Aug 07 02:05:36 I have to do the a switch? Aug 07 02:05:49 brian|lfs: I'd suggest using the support mailing list at this point. Aug 07 02:06:15 brian|lfs: deque's problem is orthogonal to yours Aug 07 02:06:33 ya I know what you mean Aug 07 02:06:42 could bad memory be a possability? Aug 07 02:07:10 brian|lfs: your's, the neo's, or the host's ? Aug 07 02:07:23 neo Aug 07 02:07:41 that would be logical to me becuase the kernl loads fine along with u-boot Aug 07 02:07:57 those are much smaller than the rootfs Aug 07 02:08:09 exactly Aug 07 02:08:10 my guess is it's something to do with the usb on your host. Aug 07 02:08:20 find someone for whom it works, and use their host Aug 07 02:08:21 on all my machiens Aug 07 02:08:58 I've seen the process for booting from SD, is there a way to flash from SD? Aug 07 02:09:00 I don't know anyone that would drop 400 bucks on a linxu phoen besides myself Aug 07 02:09:46 * rwhitby has exhausted all ideas he has Aug 07 02:10:12 have you emailed the support list yet? Aug 07 02:10:23 no not yet Aug 07 02:10:33 where on the wiki is the support list? Aug 07 02:10:37 (make sure you include lots of information about the USB chipsets on the hosts that you have used, and the windows and linux OS versions. Aug 07 02:10:57 brian|lfs: what search terms have you used so far to look for it? Aug 07 02:11:09 haven't yet Aug 07 02:12:37 I'm reading a form where someone had a similar error as me but not the same Aug 07 02:14:07 does nad-erease sound famielr rwhitby Aug 07 02:14:18 nand-erase I mean Aug 07 02:14:34 brian|lfs: not related Aug 07 02:14:34 nand erase? yeah Aug 07 02:14:56 old u-boot versions and nand erase only cause problems when booting, not flashing. Aug 07 02:15:14 so its not smart to erase my whole unit? Aug 07 02:16:17 rwhitby, you're referring to the GTA02 specifically then, right? Aug 07 02:18:10 wtf rwhitby its past where it bombed out still flashing Aug 07 02:18:22 all I did was add -a rootfs Aug 07 02:19:58 brian|lfs: doh - you *always* need the -a switch. Aug 07 02:20:23 I didn't know Aug 07 02:20:32 don't think the a was in the example Aug 07 02:20:40 Dave: "nand erase" with no args will brick a GTA01. It's not a good idea on a GTA02 either, since it will destroy your u-boot environment. Aug 07 02:20:50 brian|lfs: which example? Aug 07 02:20:56 on the wiki Aug 07 02:20:57 point us to the wiki page so we can fix it Aug 07 02:21:07 ok Aug 07 02:21:09 :) Aug 07 02:21:11 hold a sec Aug 07 02:21:14 right! Aug 07 02:21:19 see, that's what I remember! Aug 07 02:21:47 Dave: but since brian|lfs's u-boot was still working, that nand erase thing is not related either Aug 07 02:22:55 I know nothing of brainlfs's issues Aug 07 02:23:07 but I do remember a classic "nand erase" kernel flashing bug on the wiki :) Aug 07 02:23:15 hmm not sure what page I read earleir Aug 07 02:23:29 brian|lfs: does your browser have a history tab? Aug 07 02:23:30 becuase the page I found now has the -a in the exampels Aug 07 02:23:33 Something where after flashing the device won't boot, and you have to nand erase Aug 07 02:23:41 Though I may be taking this out of context :D Aug 07 02:23:45 Anyone happen to know whether devel@ requires you to join before you can post (without moderation)? Aug 07 02:24:15 Dave: so why did you bring that up in response to brian|lfs's question related to his problems? Aug 07 02:24:36 :( sorry Aug 07 02:24:42 * Dave hides in the corner Aug 07 02:24:48 the installer refuses to release it's package lock Aug 07 02:25:18 cjb: I would expect so Aug 07 02:25:32 the confirmation email should be immediate Aug 07 02:25:49 ok, thanks. I tried, my server greylisted the mail and now even trying to subscribe again doesn't get a redelivery. Aug 07 02:25:52 wow the new firmware looks a lot nicers Aug 07 02:25:57 Are there changelogs for the ASU dailies? Aug 07 02:26:04 * cjb is trying to share the touchscreen input rotation fix with people :) Aug 07 02:28:19 anyone notice a longer boot time with the om2008.8 image? Aug 07 02:28:35 Yeah it's a bit longer. Aug 07 02:29:14 The first boot is longer than subsequent ones though. Aug 07 02:29:15 sound seems better with this firmware far as I can tell I didn't hear a buzz Aug 07 02:29:35 does 2008.8 have a valid update repo? Aug 07 02:29:58 pjz yes, but the ones it comes with are broken. Aug 07 02:30:48 ok, so I tried flashing again with dfu-util and have error output. Is there a preferred pastebin for this channel? Aug 07 02:31:51 http://pastebin.com/mc2562d8 Aug 07 02:33:33 Does the wifi setup work for WPA2 on August 5th release? Aug 07 02:33:44 I mean the GUI wifi setup. Aug 07 02:33:50 no Aug 07 02:34:08 Ok, Yeah I had to do it on the terminal or it wouldn't work. Aug 07 02:34:10 it may connect to a network, but the routing is messed up Aug 07 02:34:34 Cool. The pygtk helloworld.py runs. With that and vim and the matchbox keyboard (with the toggle app)... this FR is getting there. :) Aug 07 02:34:50 hey, there's a vim ipkg? Aug 07 02:35:00 "bitbake vim" worked for me Aug 07 02:35:14 Cool, I can't stand vi classic. Aug 07 02:35:22 * rooly can't stand vi Aug 07 02:35:24 hehe. :) Understood... understood. Aug 07 02:35:24 * rooly uses nano Aug 07 02:35:30 I love vim. Aug 07 02:35:31 opkg install nano Aug 07 02:35:36 * retracile <3 vim Aug 07 02:36:01 (there _is_ no other editor.) Aug 07 02:36:13 unless you install nano Aug 07 02:36:44 <3+++ vim Aug 07 02:37:02 hrm, the midori package sure has a lot of dependancies Aug 07 02:37:15 * rooly is gonna see if it's better than minimo Aug 07 02:39:40 wget is on the FR. awesome. :) Aug 07 02:40:31 rooly, let me know how that goes Aug 07 02:40:38 retracile, it's busybox... Aug 07 02:41:33 ieatlint: Which explains why the display was a little different than I'm used to, but it lets me grab a url, and that's what I needed, so I'm happy. Aug 07 02:41:46 (Granted, I just did 'opkg install bash' ... ) Aug 07 02:42:01 emacs works fine on the neo ... Aug 07 02:42:17 you and your bash... real geeks use mc Aug 07 02:42:58 .. no, no they don't Aug 07 02:43:01 * retracile markes rwhitby as a heretic ;) Aug 07 02:43:01 :) Aug 07 02:43:03 :) Aug 07 02:44:01 * dingman wonders whether there was any room left in the Neo's head once rwhitby taught it the true religion Aug 07 02:44:06 retracile: emacs and vi(m)? are just tools. nothing to get religious about ... Aug 07 02:44:15 * rwhitby uses both Aug 07 02:44:22 hrm Aug 07 02:44:29 i wonder if i'll actually learn some day why fso made a gui link for htop when it's not a gui app, and can't fit on the screen size the FR provides the terminal Aug 07 02:44:38 midori is basically a slightly upgrade version of openmoko-browser Aug 07 02:44:54 ieatlint: the + and - buttons work on the fso terminal Aug 07 02:44:57 Every *nix geek should know enough vi to get the system up and running to the point where emacs is accessible :) Aug 07 02:44:58 a bit faster to launch than minimo, but it's alot uglier Aug 07 02:45:09 rwhitby: Oh, true... take all of that as tongue-in-cheek. :) Aug 07 02:45:11 huh... i have a weird friend who loves midori for low power systems Aug 07 02:45:25 rwhitby, and how small does it need to get to fit? Aug 07 02:45:29 * rwhitby uses emacs to edit .virc and vi to edit .emacs ... Aug 07 02:45:48 just to annoy the zealots Aug 07 02:45:59 I never did find the messed up wicki I read Aug 07 02:46:01 i'm noticed that the gtk engine is slightly buggy inside the qtopia stack Aug 07 02:46:03 maybe I'm crazy Aug 07 02:46:28 brian|lfs: if you don't use -a, you're just writing to the RAM, so you'll want to reflash the uboot and kernel too Aug 07 02:46:46 I've been running the qt stack for a few minues now and I already notice its less buggy Aug 07 02:47:01 I just reflashed htem Aug 07 02:47:03 but thanks Aug 07 02:48:58 * rooly suggests midori for speed and minimo for looks/features Aug 07 02:50:49 is there no startup sound on the qtopia engine? Aug 07 02:50:55 I haven't heard one yet Aug 07 02:52:42 can anyone point me to a page/wiki/tutorial where I can find out how to add a google calendar account in Qtopia Aug 07 02:55:38 quick FSO question...when engaged in call, can one access the keypad in the middle of the phone call? Aug 07 02:55:55 i remember this wasnt possible pre milestone 2 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 07 02:59:57 2008