**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 10 02:59:57 2008 Aug 10 03:01:15 reboot, reset, REFRESHED! yawn... anything good get released last day? Aug 10 03:11:36 DCC SEND STARTKEYLOGGER 0 0 0 Aug 10 03:11:42 ;D Aug 10 03:11:51 lol Aug 10 03:12:08 dcc send omgwtfbbqsausagefestftw Aug 10 03:12:19 DCC SEND omgwtfbbqsausagefestftw Aug 10 03:12:32 ok ok lets not abuse it now Aug 10 03:13:46 who honestly idles with chatzilla ? Aug 10 03:13:51 christ sake Aug 10 03:16:11 should there be a running gpsd on FSO? i dont see one Aug 10 03:18:32 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework Aug 10 03:19:15 check that donomo Aug 10 03:22:21 ok. it uses gypsy. the fso image has /usr/libexec/gypsy-daemon, but its not running. Aug 10 03:25:44 aah Aug 10 03:26:18 hi all i was given a GTA01. trying to get it flashed with a new image and not having any luck Aug 10 03:28:12 hey, are trying to hide the OM2008.8 release in the wiki? we have Available Packages, Repositories, Distributions, and Downloads, but only the last two mention 2008.8 Aug 10 03:28:39 * ajbrun can't find the source for it, or anyway to get it to run in qemu Aug 10 03:29:16 Repositories lists "Official builds" as well as "Unofficial Builds", but no 2008.8, and available packages spells out 2007.2 software options but no other Aug 10 03:33:25 yay Aug 10 03:33:32 a ringtone configurmarator Aug 10 03:47:10 2008.8? Aug 10 03:47:32 lotsa stuff if only the phone would work Aug 10 03:47:58 maybe that will happen soon Aug 10 03:51:54 don't ya hate those guys that say "my phone works" Aug 10 03:52:19 rooly: my phone works :P :D Aug 10 03:52:51 mine too Aug 10 03:52:54 * rooly snickers Aug 10 03:52:55 rooly: i just piss alot of people off when they stop hearing me mid call Aug 10 03:53:01 haha Aug 10 03:53:05 which might be my provider haha Aug 10 03:53:06 is it 2008.8? Aug 10 03:53:07 rooly: not after I spent several hours getting sound back for mine to work :-/ Aug 10 03:53:10 im using the qtopia/gtk+ stack Aug 10 03:53:20 i'm on Om2008.8 Aug 10 03:53:27 haven't had an issue with anything besides tangogps and wifi Aug 10 03:53:33 rooly: you got diversity or tango on that sucker?? Aug 10 03:53:50 diversity since tango won't render the map for some reason Aug 10 03:54:00 qtopia/gtk+ stack is that the fso? Aug 10 03:54:02 odd Aug 10 03:54:05 I've played with 2008.8 (on SD) but kept the OM2007 on NAND for now Aug 10 03:54:36 that's the 2008.8 Aug 10 03:55:38 rooly: where does the ringtone configurator go once installed? I dont see it in icons Aug 10 03:55:44 settings menu Aug 10 03:55:49 that thing you can't get to Aug 10 03:59:55 does the sdcard access faster than nand or not? Aug 10 04:00:08 * rooly finds slower Aug 10 04:01:06 linuxxr: hard to say...supposedly, but I've only tried with completely different images (i.e. OM2007 vs )M2008.8) Aug 10 04:01:08 i guess i need about 4 1g microsd cards Aug 10 04:01:41 well - dd prints speed stats after run, so it's quite easy Aug 10 04:01:45 instead of reflashing all the time Aug 10 04:02:06 linuxxr: I got some 2G cards cheap too (on sale in stores since bigger are avail.) Aug 10 04:04:46 US site by state http://www.salescircular.com lists the sales from the weekly circulars of Best Buy, Circuit City, Staples, Office Max, etc Aug 10 04:08:26 rooly I can get to Settings menu, but dont see that Ringtone Configurator (or any similar) I installed it, and phone has cycled since even Aug 10 04:09:17 it's all the way at the bottom Aug 10 04:10:33 rooly: it should be below System Info in settings? Aug 10 04:13:41 it should be ALL the way down Aug 10 04:14:23 rooly: maybe I'll uninstall and re-install, see if anything changes Aug 10 04:20:32 rooly: are you running 2008.8 off NAND or SD card? Aug 10 04:20:54 (it shouldn't matter, but...) Aug 10 04:25:45 rooly: oh well, I still dont see it on the Settings menu... mileage must vary (and ringtones would be NICE) Aug 10 04:26:05 * SUNWjoejaxx trying to find a GTA01 :P Aug 10 04:28:11 you know what would also be nice? Aug 10 04:28:19 a file browser for ... file operations Aug 10 04:28:25 rooly: :P Aug 10 04:29:30 for instance Aug 10 04:29:37 a file browser to look up music to play Aug 10 04:29:45 rooly: that would be nice Aug 10 04:29:50 instead of expecting it to be an some unknown spot Aug 10 04:29:59 an->at Aug 10 04:36:19 is ASU image available? Aug 10 04:37:17 ASU is now called 2008.8, and it is available on downloads.openmoko.org Aug 10 04:38:56 hrm Aug 10 04:39:08 is it worth it to upgrade to 2008.8 Aug 10 04:40:27 * SUNWjoejaxx goes to see if the GTA02 is available again Aug 10 04:40:50 koolu has GTA02s in stock Aug 10 04:42:30 's where i got mine from Aug 10 04:42:39 dammit, looks like ringtones are not in my near future Aug 10 04:42:48 rooly: really? how long did it take to ship? Aug 10 04:43:37 They say 3-5 business days (ordered mine last week) Aug 10 04:43:48 2-3 weeks for me Aug 10 04:43:58 ok yeah i see that now on the details page for the phone Aug 10 04:44:14 Note that they're in Canada, so shipping to USA may be slower Aug 10 04:45:03 it looks like gp2x is selling the Neo 1973 Aug 10 04:45:25 but not the gta02 Aug 10 04:45:48 neo isn't available anymore, unless someone has old stock Aug 10 04:46:26 rooly: did you really get the ringtone configurator up, or are you just yanking my chain? Aug 10 04:47:40 i got it up Aug 10 04:48:04 but it didn't help to have it because it uses the same directories as the qtopia media player Aug 10 04:48:24 and i have no idea what directory that uses Aug 10 04:49:01 rooly: oh wait...are you using ASU or qtopia images? I am using ASU, and it was in the Installer Aug 10 04:49:50 not entirely sure, but asu Aug 10 04:50:11 rooly: but it was a qtopia-x11-ringtone... Aug 10 04:51:17 yeah Aug 10 04:51:22 I see that you mean about the mediaplayer now Aug 10 05:02:34 rooly: looks like the default ringtone is at /opt/Qtopia/etc/SystemRingTones/ Aug 10 05:17:29 rooly: just spent 1/2 hour browsing directories via USB networking, moved a tune into a few that seemed good, but still couldnt get mediaplayer to see Aug 10 05:23:49 hrm...anyone know what this means?: *** glibc detected *** opkg: double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x0002d2c8 *** Aug 10 05:26:04 what was it doing when you got the error? Aug 10 05:27:09 ieatlint: opkg remove xserver-nodm-init -recursive Aug 10 05:27:44 ... Aug 10 05:28:04 lol Aug 10 05:28:30 why don't you just uninstall the battery kernel module while your at it Aug 10 05:28:42 rooly: :P Aug 10 05:29:10 an opkg upgrade killed xserver (or at least the gui)... Aug 10 05:29:27 x is not at all the gui Aug 10 05:29:28 -force-reinstall? Aug 10 05:29:59 it wasn't uninstalled...(i don't think) Aug 10 05:30:18 opkg install -force-reinstall Aug 10 05:30:22 ...reinstalls the package Aug 10 05:31:14 does xserver show in ps? Aug 10 05:31:29 pgrep -l Xglamo Aug 10 05:31:46 hrm...not there Aug 10 05:32:04 did the -force-reinstall Aug 10 05:33:52 so there's no gui on the phone right now? Aug 10 05:34:00 you have like a login screen or what? Aug 10 05:34:05 interesting...the timezone for the Clock app is stored in a file (/etc/timezone) instead of usng a link to a correct timezone file within /usr/share/zoneinfo/... like the wiki has Aug 10 05:34:14 correct...no login...messages passed to the screen Aug 10 05:34:35 try "Xglamo -probeonly" Aug 10 05:34:41 ok Aug 10 05:34:53 not sure how that'll react over ssh, but you'll see :P Aug 10 05:35:23 Unrecognized option: -probeonly Aug 10 05:35:42 huh Aug 10 05:35:59 you did reboot after the forced reinstall, right Aug 10 05:36:10 nope...will do that now Aug 10 05:36:28 but just for edification, here's what's being passed to the screen: Aug 10 05:36:41 [ 1371.190000] AR6000 scan complete: 0 Aug 10 05:36:41 [ 1371.205000] AR6000 Neighbor Report Event Aug 10 05:36:41 [ 1371.215000] bssid 00:1f:90:e8:31:ba Aug 10 05:36:52 yeah, that's the wifi module, heh Aug 10 05:37:06 ahh...so not related to no gui Aug 10 05:37:13 nope Aug 10 05:42:48 still no gui...screen says "starting xserver" then starts printing stuff like the power supply, and the wifi stuff Aug 10 05:43:31 pgrep -l Xglamo returns null Aug 10 05:49:02 is it possible the gui is running on another VT? Aug 10 05:53:45 no Aug 10 05:53:48 pgrep would show it Aug 10 05:53:58 try just "pgrep -l X" in case you don't have the glamo one Aug 10 05:54:16 a proper setup should yield "Xglamo" and "Xsession" Aug 10 05:54:28 you may just have to cut your losses and reflash though Aug 10 05:56:13 i'm actually using john the ripper for a legitimate purpose... this is weird Aug 10 05:56:34 damn...cutting my losses :( Aug 10 06:05:38 good morning ... I noticed that OM2K8.8 is now using resovconf to automate the creation of /etc/resolv.conf (which is a symlink to /var/run/resolv.conf) but I can not get it to set a correct dns for usb networking. Any tips or hints that I can use? Aug 10 06:07:35 Rigolo: you mean internet through usb? Aug 10 06:07:40 yep Aug 10 06:07:52 connection is working ... I can ssh into the FR .. Aug 10 06:08:20 I could just hardcode the resolv.conf .. but I would loose that automatic thing from resolvconf Aug 10 06:10:46 i think you can add an echo statement in /etc/networking/interfaces Aug 10 06:10:49 well, the other option is to sidestep connection-specific dns settings Aug 10 06:11:14 and hardcode a dns server that is accessable from any internet connection (unless you're runing your own with the intent of local resolution) Aug 10 06:11:41 undrwate1: I did that .. I added dns-nameserver to /etc/networking/interfaces .. but it is not used somehow Aug 10 06:12:22 Rigolo: echo nameserver > /etc/resolv.conf Aug 10 06:12:25 ieatlint: well, that could work (openDNS for example) but not always. I am sometimes on networks that block port 53 (paranoid admins) Aug 10 06:12:41 undrwate1: that is the "hardcoded" solution I'm trying to avoid Aug 10 06:12:45 paranoid and stupid admins then Aug 10 06:13:00 if you're going to block 53, add a redirect to the nameserver you want them to use Aug 10 06:13:28 flew over my head ;) Aug 10 06:13:40 ieatlint: I agree ... the blocked it because they found people using port 53 to ssh out the network (because 22 was also blocked) Aug 10 06:14:00 they were sshing over udp... wow.. that's desperate :P Aug 10 06:14:41 i've no good solution for you then... Aug 10 06:14:45 ieatlint: and they are Windmins .... (Windows Admins) Aug 10 06:15:04 ieatlint: no, just TCP on port 53 ... worked great ... Aug 10 06:15:20 they blocked udp and tcp? Aug 10 06:15:29 that indeeds seems rather stupid :P Aug 10 06:16:17 if i were a netadmin and wanted to piss off people sshing over 53/tcp... i'd let them login and have it work for about 100 packets, then timeout the connection Aug 10 06:16:18 later they did ... it was like a jail ... only approved access was via tcp port 80 via their proxy .... and https tcp via port 443 (so then stunnel was used a lot :-) Aug 10 06:16:36 then just sit back and make laugh maniacally Aug 10 06:16:51 ieatlint: well ... with linux that is easy to do .. with windows machine ... a bit harder I guess Aug 10 06:17:44 it's sad that people use windows for any sort of network infrastructure Aug 10 06:17:55 but .. .how does this resolconf thing got into om2k8.8 .. and no docs on the wiki how to use it :-) Aug 10 06:18:00 the freerunner would make a better gateway... Aug 10 06:18:32 ieatlint: well, windmins only know how to point and click sometimes (I've seen really good ones .. but they are rare) Aug 10 06:19:10 * ieatlint shakes his head Aug 10 06:19:19 anyway, i've no info on resolvconf, sorry Aug 10 06:19:51 mmmm google is also not helping much ... I fear I need to wade through all the scripts to see what it is doing when ... Aug 10 06:19:56 there's always the hacked script method, where you check every X seconds if usb is plugged in... Aug 10 06:20:07 (for the mean time .. let's hardcode it for now) Aug 10 06:22:47 Aug 10 06:23:38 hey kd8ikt Aug 10 06:29:54 can i compile a module aginst the openmoko kernel, for a usb device for example? Aug 10 06:33:18 * undrwate1 would love to have gspca Aug 10 06:41:34 aggtrfrad: you would need a cross compiler and the kernel headers, if you have the source for the driver that is Aug 10 06:42:34 i assume this is the conf file used nowdays for the kernel https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/kernel/config/ Aug 10 06:43:03 I don't know, but it might be in /proc/config.gz Aug 10 06:46:55 Rigolo: I found about resolvconf somewhere, a sec ago, but don't see it. I can tell you what I did though Aug 10 06:47:12 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rc3505d8ff3db 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: add org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.GetContextStatus() -> s Aug 10 06:47:14 let me know :-) Aug 10 06:48:48 Rigolo: you edit /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base and put in the nameserver, then update with "resolvconf -u" Aug 10 06:51:10 Infoport: okee, from what I am just reading here (http://www.aioe.org/cgi-bin/man2web?program=resolvconf§ion=8) that file is used when no interface are configured Aug 10 06:51:28 but .. usb0 is configured so should it not use some other settings then? Aug 10 06:51:53 when there are not interfaces configured why would you want a "proper" resolv.conf anyway? Aug 10 06:52:00 but .. it will work I think :-) Aug 10 06:55:26 what platform is that on, I think oe (which openmoko is based on), only has resolv.conf Aug 10 06:55:48 tmzt: this is on the FR with OM2008.8 installed Aug 10 06:56:45 I'm only saying I've never heard of that file, but I'm pretty sure it's not used on openmoko Aug 10 06:57:29 well, it looks like it is on om2008.8 ... resolv.conf is a symlink to /var/run/resolv.conf Aug 10 06:58:07 not resolv.conf, /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/... Aug 10 06:58:21 well, that is also there :-) Aug 10 06:58:32 is that debian? Aug 10 06:58:43 nope ... om2008.8 Aug 10 06:58:59 Rigolo: it was from the Support mailing list Aug 9, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/support/2008-August/001437.html Aug 10 06:59:00 but resolvconf is a "debian" tool I think Aug 10 06:59:16 yeah, a debian thing, ok Aug 10 06:59:48 but you can change /etc/resolv.conf if you want, or put the nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces Aug 10 07:00:00 Rigolo: although that msg says to end with "sudo blah blah", which isn't needed since you are root on your phone Aug 10 07:00:49 tmzt: I did .. in the usb0 section, but they were not picked up when rebooting the FR Aug 10 07:00:50 Rigolo: actually "sudo resolvconf -u" -- I shouldnt type gibberish instead of the right thing Aug 10 07:01:08 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r53a66ee5a146 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): otapi: add org.freesmartphone.PDP.GetContextStatus() -> s Aug 10 07:01:28 mmm let's create a script that is called blah .. and see what fun we can have with that :-) Aug 10 07:01:32 usb0 is auto? Aug 10 07:01:37 yep Aug 10 07:01:47 (/me is booting the FR at the moment ..) Aug 10 07:02:01 Does anyone know what qpe is doing when it gets into the state where it is CPU bound for a prolonged period? Aug 10 07:02:11 Rigolo: I haven't tried yet, but I think you could alter the usb0 section to populate /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base instead Aug 10 07:03:06 Infoport: i think you should not do that .. but put proper dns settings in the usb0 section and then let the scripts "do it's thing" (tm) Aug 10 07:03:37 like the man page says: the base file is used when there are no configured interfaces Aug 10 07:04:55 Rigolo: I guess if your resolv.conf doesn't get wiped out after /etc/network/interfaces does its job...tell me if it works for you! Aug 10 07:05:14 in my /etc/network/interfaces i have in the usb0 section a dns-nameservers 192.168.1.1 .. that should be picked up right? Aug 10 07:13:37 Is there a reason why the icons for applications under 2008.8 are just abstract images, rather than useful images giving a visual clue to the functionality? Aug 10 07:21:26 http://linux.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/Embedded-Slackware-Screenshot-15586.html Aug 10 07:21:32 raster: ping Aug 10 07:22:40 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * rb6d1083ac060 10/mickeydbus/ (TODO mdbus): mdbus: fix empty strings as dbus command parameters Aug 10 07:23:08 nice screenshot linuxxr Aug 10 07:23:29 mwester: ur kernel works really nice. Aug 10 07:23:31 i Aug 10 07:23:33 'm having audio on resume issues Aug 10 07:23:41 the ringing doesnt work, unfortunately Aug 10 07:23:44 the audio works though Aug 10 07:23:49 when i try making a call Aug 10 07:24:21 http://linux.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/Embedded-Slackware-Screenshot-15586.html = No Screenshot Available Yet Aug 10 07:25:35 and sometimes it freezes up, it wont come back. Aug 10 07:25:38 http://www.neopwn.com/ Aug 10 07:25:44 the battery is the only down thing in this mobile.. Aug 10 07:27:09 that was too funny Aug 10 07:28:11 Rigolo: did you bring your phone up with the "old" method of echo into resolv.conf Aug 10 07:28:24 maybe alsa Aug 10 07:28:37 not yet ... still reading throug scripts and stuff to see what it is doing ... Aug 10 07:28:53 WOW a guide for 2008.8 (needs to be filled!!) It answers how to ype a "space" though! http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8_Guide Aug 10 07:29:06 how to type a "space" Aug 10 07:29:26 also see if I can chat with raster, he worked on resolvconf on ASU I noticed Aug 10 07:33:27 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * r05d2d3099bef 10/mickeydbus/mdbus: mdbus: shuffle string logic around Aug 10 07:34:36 good morning Aug 10 07:37:14 it looks like the Openmoko mediaplayer works on 2008.8, and has a file manager to traverse directories (unlike the qtopia mediaplayer) Aug 10 07:38:09 the OM2008.8 Guide also explains how to type backspace! (slide finger left) I could have used that info before now :-/ Aug 10 07:48:32 Qtopia finds your media for you Aug 10 07:52:44 Is there a reason why the icons for applications under 2008.8 are just abstract images, rather than useful images giving a visual clue to the functionality? Aug 10 07:53:19 lpotter: do you have to put it somewhere special, or is there a "find" function I need to run? Aug 10 07:54:19 lpotter: hello, did you removed the handwriting input method in the new images? Aug 10 07:54:37 KenYoung: my guess is that new icons are needed and those were quick. A few items have a meaningful icon (Qtopia Contacts looks like person, Divinity Wifi has the "waves", Location is a map) Aug 10 07:55:38 Inforport: there is a document icon on the lower right in the applications, normally it scans all available docs Aug 10 07:55:40 btw how to enable wifi on 2008.8? Aug 10 07:56:13 Infoport, I guess that's right, but the "Contacts" person is pretty abstract still. I thing the icons from 2007.2 were an awful lot cleaner - I wonder why they didn't use those. Aug 10 07:57:17 lpotter: yesterday i had problems running qtopia with the newer kernel as it removed my sdhc partition table for at least 3 times after a reboot Aug 10 07:59:51 lpotter: one question arised from asu, can i rip of the german dictionary your qtopia 4.x distribution and use it in 2008.8? Aug 10 08:18:25 Infoport: in ~/Documents or on the sd card, or you can add an entry into Storage.conf Aug 10 08:21:17 malik1972: did you use that? I can put it back in, just took it out for the upcoming 4.3.3 release Aug 10 08:22:01 malik1972: what do you mean removed the partition table? Qtopia shouldnt even touch that Aug 10 08:23:38 lpotter: i use the new qtopia image but now with an old kernel of mwester Aug 10 08:24:48 lpotter: there is a kernel bug http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg22420.html concerning the lost of sd partition tables Aug 10 08:25:21 lpotter: sure, the handwriting input method is a quite useful method Aug 10 08:28:55 lpotter: it happened to often yesterday so i switched back to an older kernel, but i booted before into 2008.8 with another kernel and after a shutdown from qtopia in nand i lost the partition table Aug 10 08:29:02 hello all, can someone please confirm if the best setup for an SD based boot is fat + ext3 otherwise what is the simplest setup ? Aug 10 08:29:47 hipitihop_ it works for me fat+ext3+ext3+ext3 Aug 10 08:29:56 malik1972: I was wondering where all my files in the sd card went :) Aug 10 08:31:01 malik1972, thanks, I havealready setup fat + ext2 and tared but now learn that ext3 is simpler to use out of the box. I'm happy to start again. Is that what you would recommend so that I don't have to modify uboot options etc ? Aug 10 08:31:24 lpotter: i thought i was the only one:-) repartitioning solves this issue but not with fat partitions:-) Aug 10 08:32:11 malik1972, I also thought I saw someone mention that fat was also no longer needed but I could have missunderstood Aug 10 08:32:13 hipitihop_: i had to modify it, there is a thread in the mailing list delaing with this Aug 10 08:32:24 i thought I had just put in one of my other cards without any files on it. Aug 10 08:32:41 malik1972, sorry to be a pain, link ? Aug 10 08:34:43 hipithop_ one moment. with newer uboot versions you should be able to use ext2, i tried it without success as i use multiple partitions Aug 10 08:35:37 malik1972, there is no drama for me to start again it is only a few minutes work so it does not have to be ext2 if that's not th esimplest route...simply following wiki page for sd based boot Aug 10 08:36:05 lpotter: did you dropped mwesters kernel? what about the wifi improvements? Aug 10 08:36:21 hipitihop_ i can post my uboot env Aug 10 08:37:53 malik1972, I'd rather not stuff with env if possible...sorry if you will be about later I'll pick this thread up, unfortunately timing is lousy and I have to go to dinner Aug 10 08:38:31 hipitihop_ http://pastebin.com/d1d3a3f27 Aug 10 08:39:34 the addressbook application isn't importing vcf -_- Aug 10 08:39:50 the old openmoko one was working fine... Aug 10 08:43:47 I used a previous USB Networking guide ( Infoport here worked as should Aug 10 08:46:10 I think there must be a mix of the methods making it not work Aug 10 08:47:26 how can add icon-apps on 2008.8? Aug 10 08:47:38 where is the path ? Aug 10 08:48:43 zogs, Are you asking in which directory the application icons are stored? Aug 10 08:48:54 yep Aug 10 08:49:11 I think it's /usr/share/pixmaps/ Aug 10 08:49:41 thanks Aug 10 08:50:56 sorry not icons Aug 10 08:57:24 so the new USB Networking method requires no changes on the phone's /etc/networking/interfaces ? Aug 10 08:57:35 Infoport depends Aug 10 08:57:47 how is your network setting on the host pc? Aug 10 08:58:54 I simply rewrote the settings Aug 10 08:59:13 has anyone used the agps script? Aug 10 08:59:32 lu_zero: that page changed drastically after July-25. It worked for me before (using old Ubuntu method) but I am trying to update to new method http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others Aug 10 08:59:52 Infoport unsure Aug 10 09:00:15 I made the thing on moko quite manually and configure the gentoo side on my own Aug 10 09:01:25 hmm looks like the proposed configuration is a bit overcomplicated Aug 10 09:04:06 http://trac.freesmartphone.org/timeline gives internal server error 500 Aug 10 09:04:29 lpotter: how can i avoid automatically generated spaces in the predictive input method? Aug 10 09:06:28 hold down the letter Aug 10 09:07:35 lu_zero: it seems that the manual stuff in the new version works for me, but not the auto-- I have to run the manual commands again after unplug/plug Aug 10 09:10:40 lu_zero: actually, I have to re-run command "ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200" for Ubuntu to re-find FR Aug 10 09:20:28 weird... I changed back to old method for USB Networking, and that works after unplug/re-plug Aug 10 09:21:37 old method contains a setting "network 192.168.0.0" but new method (Ubuntu) doesn't (and doesn't work..hmm?) Aug 10 09:25:04 Infoport try to manually set it Aug 10 09:33:43 here is the git repo for the Om 2008.08 distro ? Aug 10 09:35:42 lu_zero: where should I try to set NETWORK? Aug 10 09:36:58 lu_zero: ifconfig doesn't show an inet address after re-plug unless I give it again using "ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200" Aug 10 09:37:14 that is, no inet address for usb0 Aug 10 09:37:40 Infoport so hotpluging is the issue Aug 10 09:37:43 hi all Aug 10 09:38:13 can anyone please paste here the vendor ID for the neo1973??? (for freerunner is 0x1d50:0x5119) i need it for a script i'm doing Aug 10 09:38:25 you can find out with dfu-util --list Aug 10 09:38:26 lu_zero: yes. it wasn't with the "auto usb0" method, but is a problem with the "allow-hotplug usb0" methods Aug 10 09:38:34 hi Infoport Aug 10 09:38:41 hiya cga! Aug 10 09:38:57 do you want to see a backup script i'm doing? Aug 10 09:39:15 now i'm about to auto recognise the device and prompt the user with its name Aug 10 09:39:46 when the device and a backup dir are chosen the backup starts Aug 10 09:39:50 lu_zero: I guess yours works fine with the newer "allow-hotplug usb0" instructions? Aug 10 09:40:02 I'm using gentoo Aug 10 09:40:18 so baselayout is doing eveything as usual Aug 10 09:41:55 lu_zero: I have gentoo on my desktop (other boot) but I got tired of letting it compile basic stuff for me (time consuming) Aug 10 09:42:20 lu_zero: although it ran like a Swiss watch Aug 10 09:42:30 good to know =) Aug 10 09:44:21 is it just me or are the daily's of the om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 totally broken -_- Aug 10 09:44:26 there's junk in /etc/profile Aug 10 09:44:34 and then none of the images seem to properly load >_< Aug 10 09:44:37 cga: you mean me? sure I'd love to see the script! Aug 10 09:44:38 rtyler, you have a 9173? Aug 10 09:44:46 yes Infoport Aug 10 09:45:03 a 1973 even ;) Aug 10 09:45:19 Infoport, http://pastey.net/93412 (right now i'm modifying it to show the names of the FR and 73 instead of hex) Aug 10 09:45:33 rtyler, can you paste here the vendor ID for the 73 please? Aug 10 09:46:02 where might I find that? Aug 10 09:46:10 dfu-util --list Aug 10 09:46:19 for freerunner is 0x1d50:0x5119 Aug 10 09:46:27 i need the 1973 one for the scritp Aug 10 09:46:33 *script Aug 10 09:46:41 hold on, let me shut it down Aug 10 09:46:47 thanks alot =) Aug 10 09:47:59 Infoport, the script works but i don't understand why it doesn't write any file yet XD Aug 10 09:48:05 Found Runtime: [0x1457:0x5119] devnum=0, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED" Aug 10 09:48:14 that's free runner Aug 10 09:48:41 oh no Aug 10 09:48:43 I'm looking at the device right in front of me Aug 10 09:48:46 is different Aug 10 09:48:48 guarantee it's a 1973 ;) Aug 10 09:48:52 thanks =) Aug 10 09:48:57 cga: here is a page with vendor IDs and product IDs http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Product_IDs Aug 10 09:49:05 i tthanks Infoport Aug 10 09:49:51 thanks rtyler too =) Aug 10 09:50:17 Dave: ping? Aug 10 09:50:35 cga: unfortunately, it seems to be same for 1973 and Freerunner. the Vendor ID should be the same anyway Aug 10 09:50:47 cga: thanks for what? you fixin' bugs? :D Aug 10 09:52:41 Infoport, it's not the same. it's vendor id 0x1457 / 0x1d50 for 1973/Free Runner , the product id is the same tough Aug 10 09:52:50 but they are too many :p Aug 10 09:53:01 now i'm getting mad Aug 10 09:53:46 rtyler, well i'm not fixing bugs. i hope i was able to code and contribute.... i'm just writing a bash script to backup Aug 10 09:54:14 bah, so i've been just a guinea pig for you Aug 10 09:54:16 drats Aug 10 09:54:20 lol Aug 10 09:54:42 well i'm sure you'd like to use my script once ready :P Aug 10 09:55:07 what does it do, fix my issues? Aug 10 09:55:13 otherwise, Id on't care Aug 10 09:55:15 :D Aug 10 09:56:18 rtyler, gh Aug 10 09:56:44 where do I add files to get them to show up in the qtopia media player? Aug 10 09:56:50 rtyler, thanks, it's good to know you appreciate my efforts :P Aug 10 09:57:16 I don't even know what your efforts are, but I'm sure that I appreciate them Aug 10 09:57:20 or something like that Aug 10 09:57:45 eh eh Aug 10 09:58:25 hi, I left my freerunner connected to the USB port during the night and now when I got back it's completely dead Aug 10 09:58:28 cga: dfu-util --list isn't giving me anything about my Freerunner :-( Aug 10 09:58:39 * torindel is back Aug 10 09:58:43 is it in NOR or NAND ? Aug 10 09:58:45 i've connected it to the charger but it doesn't wake up Aug 10 09:58:55 ceda: have you tried shaking it a bit Aug 10 09:58:59 maybe offering it some toast? Aug 10 09:59:03 * rtyler ducks Aug 10 09:59:14 Infoport, is it in NOR or NAND or powered up? Aug 10 09:59:14 ceda: seriously though you've done the battery swap and such? Aug 10 09:59:25 cga just the header stuff from the dfu-util program. it is in NAND, and I can ssh into it Aug 10 10:00:16 Infoport, mmmmm i need to try it from NAND , i'm using NOR for my script and backup. thanks for feedback Aug 10 10:01:04 cga: right now in OM2007 in NAND, updated regularly. has OM2008.8 on SD (not currently booted) Aug 10 10:02:30 Infoport, ok. can you believe i didn't "install" anything yet??? i still have to flash SD with FSO, ASU Qtopia... i wanted to backup first and after that i sstarted this script.... Aug 10 10:02:59 oh yes.... before i borked my mouse or something likely... Aug 10 10:03:19 using dfu-util on a device vendor ID 0x413c:0x8127 Aug 10 10:03:29 which is DELL $unknown Aug 10 10:03:45 i hope is only the mouse and not something else Aug 10 10:04:39 that's why i'm trying to make it easy to chose the device from hex vendor id.... so people don't make my mistake Aug 10 10:06:00 well, from that page, the vendor ID for Neo/FR will always be the combo of FICs id and OpenMoko's id (so it will only show it is one of the hardware from OM) Aug 10 10:07:07 cga: I borked several things trying to follow wiki, and had to get a good backup of gsmhandset.state to I could hear or send sound in calls...I'd call backup a Good Thing Aug 10 10:08:26 cga: odd, it doesn't give me any info when booted into OM2008.8 on SD. I'll see if NOR works for me Aug 10 10:09:13 Infoport, ok thanks alot =) "backup first" is TEH rule not to get mad at some error XD Aug 10 10:10:31 Infoport, yes.. and since the device is always either 0x1457 or 0x1d50 followed by the product id , i think i'm going to use only the vendor id in the script. so i don't have to add many lines in the script Aug 10 10:12:51 cga: I don't seem to get any info from "sudo ./dfu-util --list" even booted into NOR. Is that the whole command? Aug 10 10:13:31 Infoport, it works here. strange. yes dfu-util --list is the right cmd Aug 10 10:13:53 are you using it stand alone or with the script? Aug 10 10:14:01 cga: *sigh* I guess this falls under YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary) Aug 10 10:14:21 mmm i don't think so even if it seems like it Aug 10 10:14:32 cga: trying using it stand alone before I tried script (but I read over it) Aug 10 10:14:59 Infoport, i see Aug 10 10:15:11 cga: all I get is the dfu-util header stuff from any boot (NAND, NOR, SD) Aug 10 10:15:13 * cga rolls the "thinking better cigartte" :P Aug 10 10:15:32 Infoport, give me a sec and i show you my output Aug 10 10:16:27 cga: I used dfu-util to flash a new uBoot.bin, that could boot from ext2+ext2 on SD, so it worked OK a few days ago Aug 10 10:17:02 Infoport, i trust you on this. i'm not saying that it doesn't work. lemme show you the output Aug 10 10:17:37 Infoport, /query? Aug 10 10:18:23 crap, anybody running FSO milestone 2 Aug 10 10:18:30 no booting of X11? Aug 10 10:18:33 crapola Aug 10 10:18:58 cga: i see good output on the Dfu-util page (and I backed up stuff, except rootfs once too) Aug 10 10:19:14 Infoport, with script? Aug 10 10:19:34 cga: no, with the separate commands, and rootfs failed Aug 10 10:19:37 Infoport, have you seen my output in the query? Aug 10 10:19:39 you're useless cga :p Aug 10 10:19:43 * rtyler ducks Aug 10 10:19:55 but now I'm really curious about this script Aug 10 10:20:00 Infoport, ok i see. btw rootfs always faiis due to a bug. Aug 10 10:20:29 rtyler, http://pastey.net/93412 (atm is like that, now i'm trying to get the names instead of hex code to chose from) Aug 10 10:21:19 cga: yes! it looks good. unfortunately, the stuff I borked before would be in filesystem. Improving the backup process needed anyway though Aug 10 10:21:51 Infoport, what looks good? Aug 10 10:22:01 zomg Aug 10 10:22:04 RTYLER Aug 10 10:22:06 are there situations where one might have more than one device attached? why not preselect the initial device? Aug 10 10:22:13 oh crap, it's dave Aug 10 10:22:18 :D Aug 10 10:22:30 Come to the darkside have we? Aug 10 10:22:50 I've been on the darkside, which is why I have a measley 1973 and you a freerunner :) Aug 10 10:22:57 rtyler, yes tehy are indeed... for example i got a dell something there and i borked it using dfu-util on it..... that's wjy i'm doing this script... so people don't make my mistake Aug 10 10:23:15 cga: o_O Dell something Aug 10 10:23:21 that's almost always unwelcome ;) Aug 10 10:23:43 rtyler, Infoport i'll be back in 10 minutes , my bro need me for cutting his hair. Aug 10 10:23:46 rtyler: yes. I've removed the battery, tried different SIM cards Aug 10 10:23:55 rtyler, i say dell from the vendor:product IDs Aug 10 10:23:57 cga: I'd say put in the Openmoko name, and maybe repeat the device back after they choose, for confirmation Aug 10 10:24:28 Infoport, that's what i'm trying to do... get the hex for FR and 73 -> show the names instead of hex Aug 10 10:24:35 gotta go now. bbl Aug 10 10:24:52 cga: at first, even just Openmoko Neo, and not USB device Aug 10 10:25:51 Infoport, well i'm thinking more of 1: Free Runner 2: 1973 3: Other device: DON'T TOUCH Aug 10 10:25:53 Dave: find me a good bloody image that works on the 1973 Aug 10 10:26:01 FSO milestone 2 has no X11 Aug 10 10:26:12 X11-qtopia is broken Aug 10 10:26:31 rtyler: the one thing I did differently this time was that when I left the FR on when going to bed, it was in USB host mode Aug 10 10:26:56 I've flashed 2008.8 onto my phone (I finally figured out that -D and -U do _exactly_ what I wasn't expecting...). I've seen talk about a 'graphical installer', but I can't see it. All I see is 'Contact', 'dialer', 'messages', 'settings' and 'sudoku'. Any pointers? Aug 10 10:27:50 cga: crap, I think it was because I booted each, and not "Set console to USB" before querying with dfu-util Aug 10 10:28:33 Infoport, cool to know Aug 10 10:29:36 Infoport, can you check with it? anyway i'm not redirecting the console and everything gets showed on the NOR Aug 10 10:29:45 well... Aug 10 10:30:27 Infoport, as said on the wiki here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup (on the pc, on the neo) Aug 10 10:30:31 rtyler, ah! :) Aug 10 10:30:42 cga: I get output if I stay in NOR menu! Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=113, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade" Aug 10 10:30:55 Infoport, yay! Aug 10 10:31:20 cga: that is how I figured it out:-D I followed that before for Flashing of course Aug 10 10:31:22 later i try the NAND Aug 10 10:31:44 Tyler, I'm guessing you don't want to try the [pure] qtopia image, do you? Aug 10 10:32:14 rtyler, so... did you look/try the script? Aug 10 10:32:24 Dave: I don't care so long as it works Aug 10 10:32:29 Oh, okay :) Aug 10 10:32:34 Works as what, a phone/pda? Aug 10 10:32:37 :) Aug 10 10:33:00 I'm past caring about the idelogies involved and just desire to feel like I didn't waste $300 on a brick Aug 10 10:33:43 Tyler - http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 Aug 10 10:33:56 Qtopia flash image for FIC Neo 1973 (gta01) Aug 10 10:34:16 Version: 4.3.2 snapshot 07140000 (2008/8/8) Aug 10 10:34:20 Get that :) Aug 10 10:34:28 It -works- :) Aug 10 10:34:35 You can make calls and everything! Aug 10 10:35:33 Dave: do you flash the same way with dfu-util? Aug 10 10:35:39 dfu-util -a rootfs and all? Aug 10 10:36:10 yep Aug 10 10:36:41 don't forget to flash the qtopia kernel too :P (both images come in that tarball) Aug 10 10:38:50 cga: I am able to query with dfu-util from the NAND boot menu also! Aug 10 10:39:01 Dave: what the hell are you doing up so late Aug 10 10:39:08 or early! Aug 10 10:39:09 Infoport, great. try the script there if you please Aug 10 10:39:20 I went to bed at like 9pm :p Aug 10 10:39:31 Dave: ah, looks like you're still east coast too Aug 10 10:39:34 that's too bad :)( Aug 10 10:39:40 yeah :( Aug 10 10:40:07 I have to be in SF one Sep 1st though for a business meeting Aug 10 10:41:21 Hmm, I need to pimp this qtopia freerunner out later with some delightful images or something. Aug 10 10:41:43 cga: hmm.. the "Download and save" link doesn't seem to do anything...would it be puttin that download automatically somewhere? using Firefox in Ubuntu. (guess I can just cut-n-paste) Aug 10 10:42:09 Infoport, ?? download and save? Aug 10 10:42:27 Infoport, on pastey? Aug 10 10:42:52 well i'm planning to put it in the wiki when it's ready Aug 10 10:42:59 * Dave por Zorkman Aug 10 10:43:09 for now i use pastey to show it and get feedback Aug 10 10:43:20 cga, what does this script do anyway? You've been going on about it all night :P Aug 10 10:43:30 It backs up your NAND or something? Aug 10 10:44:13 Dave, it basically backup... (rootfs kernl splash etc...) but before it asks you 1 the device to backup, 2 the dir wehere to backup Aug 10 10:44:32 are you saying on the phone or externally? Aug 10 10:44:40 and how is this much better than dfu-util? :) Aug 10 10:44:41 phone -> pc Aug 10 10:44:44 ah Aug 10 10:44:49 it uses dfu-util Aug 10 10:44:53 :P Aug 10 10:44:55 okay Aug 10 10:44:59 =) Aug 10 10:45:08 just alleviates much of the confusion having to deal directly with dfu-util? Aug 10 10:45:14 kind of Aug 10 10:45:17 which I agree is somewhat a pain in the ass :P Aug 10 10:45:20 it's automated Aug 10 10:45:24 yeah yeah Aug 10 10:45:56 you can have a look/go at it if you please :P Aug 10 10:46:09 Yeah yeah, I know Aug 10 10:46:23 I've been avoiding it for twelve hours... Aug 10 10:46:33 I think I'll keep avoiding it even now, thanks :) Aug 10 10:46:36 lol && this is as is atm: http://pastey.net/93412 , now i'm trying to get it easier and complete Aug 10 10:46:53 complete might be a good idea :P Aug 10 10:47:00 eh eh =) Aug 10 10:47:52 Tyler, let me know how it goes, after you are done flashing/booting; though don't defer your dissatisfaction onto me :) Aug 10 10:48:02 Dave, you can help me with one doubt i guess... Aug 10 10:48:03 cga: yeah the download and save link on pastey was confusing...I cut-n-pasted and trying it now Aug 10 10:48:53 Dave, when i boot in NOR or NAND i always am in [0x1457||0x1d50]:0x5119 Neo1973/FreeRunner u-boot usbtty CDC ACM Mode ??? Aug 10 10:49:01 Infoport, thanks = Aug 10 10:49:07 what is a good Linux editor that can do vertical selections? Aug 10 10:49:18 cga - I don't believe so! Aug 10 10:49:36 arf Aug 10 10:49:40 Oh well, you mean the usb tty mode? Aug 10 10:49:45 that the pc can connect to? Aug 10 10:49:50 nope Aug 10 10:49:52 I believe that is the same Aug 10 10:49:56 Infoport: vim Aug 10 10:50:03 but the actual coded mode is not Aug 10 10:50:15 it's definitely NOT the same bootloader, I don't think :x Aug 10 10:50:18 hey alphaone :) Aug 10 10:50:31 morning Aug 10 10:50:36 Dave, when i use dfu-util --list in NOR i always get 0x1d50:0x5119 for FR... that's why i'm asking Aug 10 10:50:38 yeah yeah, don't remind me :P Aug 10 10:50:49 oh Aug 10 10:51:04 cga, and what do you get in NAND? Aug 10 10:51:06 cga: I get this error "backupOM.sh: 17: dfu-util: not found", both when I give the full path and with ./dfu-util (in same dir as script) Aug 10 10:51:07 :D Aug 10 10:51:22 heehee Aug 10 10:51:23 Dave, not tried NAND yet Aug 10 10:51:38 :] Aug 10 10:51:38 Infoport, darn Aug 10 10:52:20 That reminds me... where IS Joerg? Aug 10 10:52:23 hmmm Aug 10 10:52:38 what do you think where I am? Aug 10 10:52:47 how about a graphical editor? I had one with tabs for each doc, but seem to have lost it (Kate?) Aug 10 10:52:48 :D Aug 10 10:52:50 Infoport, line 17 it's not the var Aug 10 10:52:55 Hiding, from us :) Aug 10 10:53:13 Infoport, gedit on gnome will be fine Aug 10 10:53:18 kate on kde too Aug 10 10:53:18 Infoport, there are many, I believe Kate is one of them (if you do the KDE thing)... Aug 10 10:53:33 but not okay on the freerunner :P Aug 10 10:53:43 even though *shudder*... someone's already ported emacs :P Aug 10 10:53:49 omfg Aug 10 10:53:53 Though I don't believe it has tabs. :p Aug 10 10:53:54 Dave: hiding? LOL! I'm working do produce better hardware for all of you ;-) Aug 10 10:54:05 Joerg, aah ;D Aug 10 10:54:13 Well, thank you then :) Aug 10 10:54:34 * Dave gives Joerg his thanks, plus his broken batteries and broken freerunner. Aug 10 10:54:40 guess we found the bug with GSM-noise :-) the odds are good Aug 10 10:54:47 gsm-noise? Aug 10 10:54:58 Is that what was responsible for fucking up my CRT monitor at work? Aug 10 10:55:07 :\ Aug 10 10:55:42 Hello all... Question. Is 2008.8 the new stable version? Aug 10 10:55:55 It's supposed to be :) Aug 10 10:56:01 heh Aug 10 10:56:03 sweet Aug 10 10:56:14 yep Aug 10 10:56:17 added Kate (even in GNOME! was in Ubuntu Synaptic, easy) Aug 10 10:56:18 Dave: Aug 10 10:56:19 [2008-08-10 08:15] knock on wood - we killed noise issue MAYBE yesterday. So I need a new bugger ;-) Aug 10 10:56:19 [2008-08-10 08:15] jOERG_rw: MAYBE meaning that someone needs to confirm it? If so, who does that, if not you? Aug 10 10:56:33 How is the improvement comparing with 2007.*? Aug 10 10:56:46 Infoport, any good news? Aug 10 10:57:03 Joerg, did I tell you my monitor story last night though? Aug 10 10:57:12 nope Aug 10 10:57:17 Though the concensus was that it was likely gsm noise responsible. Aug 10 10:57:19 -_- Aug 10 10:57:29 Infoport, well try to use ${DFU} instead of dfu-util on line 17 Aug 10 10:58:46 I was at work with a freerunner plugged into the same power strip as a PC and it's CRT monitor, letting it charge there. But frequently while I worked, while it was just sitting there charging, my monitor would fuck up, get all wavy and funky then go back to normal... it almost looked like it was being surged... :x Aug 10 10:58:53 hi all. i've been getting 404's from my FR when trying to upgrade 20080806 daily. has anyone else experianced this or know where to point my configs to? Aug 10 10:59:03 Infoport, i modified it to work with the var and not hardcoded Aug 10 10:59:26 kgoetz, yeah, another dir on buildhost, it's been relocated, most likely. Aug 10 11:00:06 Actually 20080806 is still there Aug 10 11:00:15 Dave: fair enough. i'll have to wait until i reflash the FR to 08.08 tomorrow then Aug 10 11:00:41 kgoetz, http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080806/ everything seems to be there... Aug 10 11:00:52 I'm not sure what is 404'ing for you. Aug 10 11:01:00 Joerg, what do you think (of my story)? Aug 10 11:01:12 strange Aug 10 11:01:12 Dave: eg, * Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/fic-gta02/Packages.gz, error 404 Aug 10 11:01:40 Infoport, try this: http://pastey.net/93432 Aug 10 11:01:46 though the interference would actually happen with every cellhone sitting at same place Aug 10 11:02:01 Joerg, yeah, I was kind of scared a bit when it kept happening, thinking that somehow many the freerunner charger might be responsible... but it didn't seem logical, since it's draw is rather small, comparatively. Aug 10 11:02:21 Joerg, right, and I've never had that happen with either of my two main phones sitting right next to me :P Aug 10 11:02:29 and the power there isn't *that* bad :P Aug 10 11:02:43 ¿¿¿ :-/ ??? Aug 10 11:02:46 it's even conditioned! Aug 10 11:03:05 Infoport, i'm going for lunch. catch you in 20 mins Aug 10 11:03:05 sure that's no issue with mans power Aug 10 11:03:09 Joerg, more mystery? Aug 10 11:03:10 *mains Aug 10 11:03:16 cga: seem better now, although name says "UNDEFINED" (but by IDs it is OM) Aug 10 11:03:32 Dave: bootin the Qtopia image, this better be good, else you're fired :p Aug 10 11:03:47 Dave: switch with "mystery" and "more mystery"? :-D Aug 10 11:03:49 Infoport, well that's not my fault. dfu-util sometimes does that to me too. i don't know why Aug 10 11:04:23 kgoetz, heh, it's om-gta02/ Aug 10 11:04:40 just fix your feed then do an opkg upgrade to fix your repos :) Aug 10 11:04:40 * cga gone for lunch Aug 10 11:04:55 Tyler, okay! :D Aug 10 11:05:08 Joerg, oy, not what I wanted! :P Aug 10 11:05:09 Dave: 'just' fix it? fix it to what? ;) Aug 10 11:05:16 I have enough mysterious power issues as it is :| Aug 10 11:05:43 No Network! fscking trolltech Aug 10 11:05:44 kgoetz, /etc/opkg/*.feed Aug 10 11:05:45 In the default 2008.8 image, in Settings, Wifi state says 'unknown'. Is that a known issue? Aug 10 11:06:00 Tyler, is your SIM inserted and functional? Aug 10 11:06:16 Dave: yes, but what do i change? Aug 10 11:06:23 * kgoetz wishes the FR would stop goin to sleep while he was ssh'd in Aug 10 11:06:36 change the fic-gta02/ to om-gta02/ Aug 10 11:06:42 heehee Aug 10 11:06:56 kgoetz, you can change that too, from the power menu :P Aug 10 11:07:06 Set APM: Disabled Aug 10 11:07:24 Dave: that seems a rather hackish way to "fix' the power issue Aug 10 11:07:32 Joerg: My conclusion (regarding the power issues): Needs more Germans! Aug 10 11:07:35 (espeically since it says 'dim' not 'turn off') Aug 10 11:07:45 kgoetz *shrug* Aug 10 11:07:52 well it shouldn't be interefering with your ssh session then Aug 10 11:07:58 Dave: errhmm, probably I lost the context... Aug 10 11:08:12 Die Deutschen! Aug 10 11:08:42 Dave: and now I'll meet Wolfgang and Marek to have a mongolian hotpot - whatever that might be :-D Aug 10 11:08:53 haha, okay :D Aug 10 11:09:00 cga: gave the right name this time... I also had to go into uboot console and change boot_menu_timeout again so it didn't shutoff Aug 10 11:09:15 Joerg, I hope it doesn't hurt ;) Aug 10 11:09:23 bye :-D Aug 10 11:09:30 Later. Aug 10 11:09:38 farvell Aug 10 11:09:41 how do you know I don't like it? Aug 10 11:10:11 consider: I'm working for OM ;-) Aug 10 11:10:18 :P Aug 10 11:10:22 hotphone Aug 10 11:10:31 cga: another thing...I didn't follow my directory path with "/" and it failed. Now running script it thinks there is a device for each section of memory or something (i.e. RAM, u-boot, u-boot_env, etc) Aug 10 11:10:32 I think that aptly describes the freerunner ;) Aug 10 11:10:38 (at 500MHz) Aug 10 11:10:40 hehe Aug 10 11:10:43 no, "ouch" the whole day long Aug 10 11:10:44 cga: it must not have reset the mode on the way out Aug 10 11:10:49 :D Aug 10 11:11:24 Tyler, everything working out okay so far? Aug 10 11:12:02 today I'll celebrate victory of a battle - tomorrow we hope to win the war against GSM-interference noise Aug 10 11:12:07 Dave: somewhat, Qtopia's interface is horrible Aug 10 11:12:08 cga: argh, then it wouldnt recognize "Power Off" or "Reboot" from the NOR menu Aug 10 11:12:10 :D Aug 10 11:12:14 giant icons with no text Aug 10 11:12:16 Tyler, overly childish? Aug 10 11:12:17 :D Aug 10 11:12:19 Yeah Aug 10 11:12:25 it's like XP Aug 10 11:12:28 but imagine more retarded Aug 10 11:12:28 Tyler, you can actually change that, I believe. Aug 10 11:12:35 There's an Apps Menu Aug 10 11:12:40 instead of the stupid icons screen Aug 10 11:12:44 though yeah, I agree Aug 10 11:12:48 It's unintuitive. Aug 10 11:13:12 I don't think I'll wear out the power button first, nor the flash...I'll chip away the case where you open it :-D Aug 10 11:13:24 I figure it was based in part of not having to do many different language revisions, or less work. Aug 10 11:13:31 Then again, perhaps it just sucks, in general :) Aug 10 11:13:47 * Dave takes his qtopia phone out of standby to go check Aug 10 11:15:48 how can I permanently up the volume on the microphone? Currently people calling me barely hear me Aug 10 11:15:58 ah, yeah Aug 10 11:16:12 I believe alsamixer Aug 10 11:16:22 Dave: you using Qtopia also as default? Aug 10 11:16:28 yeah, I did it there, but that appears to only be temporary Aug 10 11:16:33 If so which is better to use at the moment? Aug 10 11:16:48 rxshorty, as default? Aug 10 11:17:01 as my primary image of choice? Aug 10 11:17:05 yeah as main os... Aug 10 11:17:07 No Aug 10 11:17:08 yups Aug 10 11:17:11 GTK :p Aug 10 11:17:11 ahh Aug 10 11:17:14 :O Aug 10 11:17:26 yeah Aug 10 11:17:42 It has less that it can do that the Nice Qtopia image Aug 10 11:18:05 but qtopia has less usefulness in my opinion, since I do a lot with drivers and the gps Aug 10 11:18:20 and tango is a gtk app :P Aug 10 11:18:29 ahh.. well I am using qtopia at the moment. But seems fair enough. There are not much aps for Qtopia indeed Aug 10 11:18:40 right, also I don't really care to use it as a phone Aug 10 11:18:46 LOL Aug 10 11:18:54 so qtopia pretty much loses all it's advantages right there :P Aug 10 11:19:05 Indeed heh Aug 10 11:19:21 that, and I can't use wifi in qtopi Aug 10 11:19:27 but is the new OM a great improvement? I only worked with the 2007 Aug 10 11:19:38 whenever I go to the internet setting menu and click anything, it freezes my device Aug 10 11:19:40 Wifi? It works at the moment, there is a new release Aug 10 11:19:41 -_- Aug 10 11:19:52 oh, did the 20080808 version fix that? Aug 10 11:19:58 Yups Aug 10 11:20:04 I was hesitant to try it, because of that Aug 10 11:20:05 it works if u manually configure it Aug 10 11:20:07 not reliable Aug 10 11:20:08 but it works Aug 10 11:20:13 oh, did you experience that before? any of you? Aug 10 11:20:18 heh, hey raster :p Aug 10 11:20:18 Same here Aug 10 11:20:22 :) Aug 10 11:20:22 My froze also Aug 10 11:20:26 AH, okay good Aug 10 11:20:27 :D Aug 10 11:20:31 cga: there should be a dfu-util command sent to reset (-R) the USB to runtime mode _even_if_/_in_case_ it doesn't save the output files (like when you enter directory incorrectly, etc) Aug 10 11:20:37 I'll try going into that menu then now :D Aug 10 11:20:37 i've had it work on my home wep network Aug 10 11:20:42 and on open networks before Aug 10 11:20:43 But I am waiting for Qtopia 4.4 Aug 10 11:20:47 oh but does it even have a functional browser? :D Aug 10 11:20:56 should be released within a month... And that has a browser Aug 10 11:21:03 oh -_- Aug 10 11:21:03 Well you can find FF3 for it Aug 10 11:21:05 bah Aug 10 11:21:05 this interface is useless without a stylus Aug 10 11:21:11 touchscreen fail Aug 10 11:21:14 tyler, you don't have one? Aug 10 11:21:29 rtyler: well fail if u dont provide a built-in stylus... Aug 10 11:21:30 :) Aug 10 11:21:41 right Aug 10 11:21:42 Dave: check this: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/10/ Aug 10 11:21:43 I totally agree there Aug 10 11:21:52 if u provided one - u'd at least not fail- you expect and design it for a stylus Aug 10 11:21:53 :) Aug 10 11:22:06 this is 2008 not 1996 Aug 10 11:22:10 :D Aug 10 11:22:22 Uhh, clearly you haven't been around long enough to notice Aug 10 11:22:36 as openmoko software development goes forward, progress goes backwards. Aug 10 11:22:39 haha Aug 10 11:22:43 rtyler: finger driven ui's are really only goign mainstream in the last 12-24 months Aug 10 11:22:48 Hehehe Aug 10 11:22:55 * rtyler hands Dave a flame retardant suit Aug 10 11:22:57 and 90% of that "mainstreamness" is iphone Aug 10 11:23:26 but i'm just being pedantic Aug 10 11:23:29 yeah I agree, it makes no difference, I've hated styluses always anyways :p Aug 10 11:23:35 i just dont like misrepresentation of facts Aug 10 11:23:37 * rtyler bought a non-touchscreen smartphone Aug 10 11:23:45 the OM ui for at least 2008 is INTENDEd to be used by fingers Aug 10 11:23:47 not a stylus Aug 10 11:23:51 that is the goal Aug 10 11:23:52 * rtyler nods Aug 10 11:24:18 rxshorty, cool :D Aug 10 11:24:28 i just am trying to be correct on the facts of ts ui's how recent they are and if u INTEND a stylus to be needed Aug 10 11:24:29 etc. Aug 10 11:24:29 :) Aug 10 11:24:37 Infoport, i'm back Aug 10 11:24:41 hey raster =) Aug 10 11:24:45 :) Aug 10 11:24:56 * Dave throws a blackberry at rtyler Aug 10 11:25:06 Dave: ditched my BB as soon as possible ;) Aug 10 11:25:11 eh Aug 10 11:25:13 Ah :p Aug 10 11:25:26 rxshorty, have you built it yet? Aug 10 11:25:32 Dave: debating whether I want to try to build MySQL and run our site on my phone >_> Aug 10 11:25:44 Have anyone got any webcam app working in the fr? Aug 10 11:25:45 hah! Aug 10 11:25:48 It could be hot :p Aug 10 11:27:38 Dave: not yet Aug 10 11:29:11 I am going to right now :P Aug 10 11:29:14 or try :| Aug 10 11:29:35 things have a tendancy to explode around here... ESPECIALLY when it comes to fucking mozdev crap :p Aug 10 11:30:04 raster, would you look and try a backup script (sh) i'm writing? Aug 10 11:30:16 backup for what? Aug 10 11:30:21 free runner Aug 10 11:30:29 or 1973 Aug 10 11:30:46 i don't really have anything to backup... Aug 10 11:30:56 cga:cga: I made some corrections (that URL thing is annoying), but you also made the same ones, except for the typo 'bakcup' Aug 10 11:31:07 eh Aug 10 11:31:14 my phones just get wholesale reflashed Aug 10 11:31:17 raster, it doesn't backup "files" , it backs up the NAND Aug 10 11:31:22 not like i USE my FR as a phone... Aug 10 11:31:28 :P Aug 10 11:31:30 lol Aug 10 11:31:45 Infoport, put it on pastey as a reply Aug 10 11:31:47 cga: i just rebuild a new image and flash Aug 10 11:31:54 ok Aug 10 11:31:55 dont really.. need to back it up... :/ Aug 10 11:31:59 cga: script worked though! I had to go into uboot and change timeout more than once though, and dfu-util doesn't seem to allow -R without an upload/download Aug 10 11:32:00 thanks anyway =) Aug 10 11:32:00 too bad Aug 10 11:32:01 i only move forwards Aug 10 11:32:02 :) Aug 10 11:32:05 hah Aug 10 11:32:09 touche Aug 10 11:32:14 i can test it if u want tho Aug 10 11:32:22 but not now Aug 10 11:32:24 sunday night Aug 10 11:32:28 raster btw could you try to sync contacts? Aug 10 11:32:29 tonight? Aug 10 11:32:38 i'm working on code for dict loading/building/lookup Aug 10 11:32:49 lu_zero: sync to/from where? Aug 10 11:32:52 raster, ok then i'll link you on sunday night. is a work in progress and it will change by then Aug 10 11:32:57 sync from vcf file Aug 10 11:33:00 i dont have any contacts ... not on the phone Aug 10 11:33:05 dont have any vcf files Aug 10 11:33:08 or file set Aug 10 11:33:16 eh Aug 10 11:33:19 cga: ok. cool. Aug 10 11:33:24 Infoport, can you show me your code on pastey ? Aug 10 11:33:32 * Dave hisses at raster Aug 10 11:33:49 * raster grumbles at Dave Aug 10 11:33:54 * cga smash Dave the avoider XD Aug 10 11:34:08 Dave: yes. tonight. Aug 10 11:34:17 python! Aug 10 11:34:18 just doing my own thing. Aug 10 11:34:19 *hiss* Aug 10 11:34:22 bah Aug 10 11:34:24 python Aug 10 11:34:25 pffft Aug 10 11:34:26 moo Aug 10 11:35:16 raster, btw: when is sunday night for you? in 7 days? Aug 10 11:35:45 cga: it is right now.. sunday night :) Aug 10 11:35:52 :P Aug 10 11:35:54 raster, i don't know where you are located now :P always japan? Aug 10 11:35:55 9:30pm Aug 10 11:36:00 sydney Aug 10 11:36:03 right now Aug 10 11:36:03 sif :P Aug 10 11:36:05 ok raster , then i link you :P Aug 10 11:36:18 http://pastey.net/93432 Aug 10 11:36:28 * Dave tosses a dropbear at raster Aug 10 11:36:58 ooh backup from the pc via dfu-util Aug 10 11:36:59 ok Aug 10 11:37:06 man thats going to be slow Aug 10 11:37:11 eh Aug 10 11:37:14 if actual flashing is any indication Aug 10 11:37:17 especially for rootfs Aug 10 11:37:19 cga: it was a reply (thread??) to yours, here http://pastey.net/93433-1zm6 but the you did everything but correct 'bakcup' to 'backup' Aug 10 11:37:27 raster, yep Aug 10 11:37:27 i go make a cup of coffee and eat cake while flashing my rootfs Aug 10 11:37:27 :) Aug 10 11:37:37 :D Aug 10 11:38:26 Infoport, yes it is a reply. what did you change? Aug 10 11:39:16 Infoport, only typos? Aug 10 11:39:17 hah, you guys are funny. Aug 10 11:39:19 cga: the typo, and ${DFU} instead of dfu-util in commands Aug 10 11:39:27 Hm, BACKUP_DIR needs a / at the end? Aug 10 11:39:36 Tyler, so are you not entirely dissatisfied? :) Aug 10 11:39:48 Infoport, ok thanks Aug 10 11:39:54 despite the obvious fugliness and blatant need for a stylus. :p Aug 10 11:40:00 ih crap Aug 10 11:40:05 jomat, you think? (i'm not sure) Aug 10 11:40:13 pastey doesnt just save the text Aug 10 11:40:14 bah Aug 10 11:40:16 useless Aug 10 11:40:19 * raster kicks pastey Aug 10 11:40:26 pfft Aug 10 11:40:30 rafb4lyfe yo Aug 10 11:40:33 cga: now I want to mount that JFFS to see how it went :-) Aug 10 11:40:37 Dave: this is nice and all, dialing works, etc, no audio however :( Aug 10 11:40:46 no audio!? Aug 10 11:40:54 Hmm still no GUI for setting wireless... Aug 10 11:41:02 Pitty Aug 10 11:41:03 rxshorty? Aug 10 11:41:09 Dave? Aug 10 11:41:09 Infoport, ok.. so it did actually wirte a backup??? i don't know why but it doesn't write a file in my dir Aug 10 11:41:37 What are you talking about? Qtopia? Aug 10 11:41:53 OM 2008.8 Aug 10 11:42:11 I need to flash it though and try. Aug 10 11:42:53 cga: it failed when I didnt put a trailing '/' on the dir, but worked the last time :-) Aug 10 11:42:54 Qtopia has Gui, that also works Aug 10 11:42:56 :P Aug 10 11:43:09 Infoport, so is BACKUP_DIR/ Aug 10 11:43:21 thanks jomat Aug 10 11:43:30 Change ${BACKUP_DIR}kernel-${DATE}.bin to ${BACKUP_DIR}/kernel-${DATE}.bin Aug 10 11:43:44 np, cga Aug 10 11:44:00 ooh down there it is... in plain text Aug 10 11:44:18 /bin/bash isn't available on all systems. Aug 10 11:44:23 cga: I put /home/me/openmoko/Freerunner/backup/ Aug 10 11:44:49 is there a nice ftpd that's working on openmoko yet? Aug 10 11:44:52 jomat, i know jomat , do other shells have read built-in? Aug 10 11:45:07 I'm using zsh, it has read Aug 10 11:45:16 ok Aug 10 11:45:19 Or, wait... Aug 10 11:45:27 trying with /#!bin/sh then Aug 10 11:45:27 jomat, cga: if you use tab completion when you type the dir, it will put the trailing '/', so you want to deal with that Aug 10 11:45:45 Infoport, better to put BACKUP_DIR in read Aug 10 11:45:54 *BACKUP_DIR/ Aug 10 11:45:55 But it uses read ... strange. Aug 10 11:45:57 rxshorty, have you built any apps for qt? Aug 10 11:46:54 Dave: I had but I flashed my device since the latest image Aug 10 11:47:06 but you are aware of qtopia.net? Aug 10 11:47:10 :| Aug 10 11:47:13 bah Aug 10 11:47:17 anything of interest? Aug 10 11:47:28 brb... Aug 10 11:47:38 in other news, holy asscrackers, the mozqt source is hugenormous -- what else is new :P Aug 10 11:49:09 cga: my resulting files are the right size Aug 10 11:49:18 cool Aug 10 11:49:32 ten million years later, mozilla will be done compiling... Aug 10 11:49:33 the trailing has to be put in the backup commands and not in the read Aug 10 11:49:47 otherwise it doesn't asks for dir Aug 10 11:51:08 cga: I guess you should probably do testing on the entered values before use. There is a command to see if a directory exists too, you could use it on the entry, then entry+'/', or exit Aug 10 11:51:13 raster: i was that 2008.8 still has a file named "full querty board" Aug 10 11:51:21 darn. i don't get asked for backup_dir :| Aug 10 11:51:33 i renamed this to "default" in the hope of getting the good o'l keyboard bak but didn't work Aug 10 11:51:34 it has it Aug 10 11:51:36 its installed Aug 10 11:51:39 but its not used Aug 10 11:51:42 the keyboard is qtopia kbd Aug 10 11:51:43 do you know a secret way to enable it? Aug 10 11:51:56 rtyler: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_Battery Aug 10 11:52:02 there is no supported mechanism to turn that off and replace the qtopia kbd Aug 10 11:52:09 luckily, my son has a Nokia with a BL-5B battery Aug 10 11:52:21 damn, I was hoping that you maybe left somewhere an ease line of code to comment or edit ;) Aug 10 11:53:32 (as such there is an env var if u patch your init scripts that launch qtopia to set it then qtopia will disable its kbd. and the way asu/2008.8 was done with a theme change u can get back the config spanner icon - tho anything in that menu is unsupported as it was made clear that this was not desired in ASU and the exposure is to be the one and only config tool and that everything is to be done in python in future, so beyond it simply be Aug 10 11:53:32 ing a help for me as a developer to work with illume - that menu isnt supported) Aug 10 11:53:43 cga: ahhh, the 'text' command http://www.unix.com/shell-programming-scripting/19904-check-directory-exist.html Aug 10 11:54:21 Infoport, good Aug 10 11:54:54 jomat, how's redo in vim? can't remember Aug 10 11:55:02 thanks for the info raster; hope you will keep being part of the community after the end of august :) Aug 10 11:55:04 i'm not really paying any attention to asu/2008.8 beyind watching the feedback and grinning :) Aug 10 11:55:14 Zorkman! Aug 10 11:55:22 llo Dangerous Dave Aug 10 11:55:52 Zorkman_: well depends how much time i have Aug 10 11:55:58 raster, any chance to see the wonderful eem on Neo ??? or something likely? Aug 10 11:56:02 and what my priorites are Aug 10 11:56:08 ctrl-r, cga Aug 10 11:56:09 (played a game last night -couldn't sleep after all those lean case studies :)- and it was called Inquisitive Dave, that suits you more :)) Aug 10 11:56:12 now how the hell do I build this? :D Aug 10 11:56:14 jomat, thanks Aug 10 11:56:16 Zorkman, cool :D Aug 10 11:56:19 cga: no - not eem. but maybe i will do a nice ui... :) Aug 10 11:56:25 i did intend to Aug 10 11:56:30 \0/ Aug 10 11:56:32 raster: yeah i understand that of course; maybe a better question is: will you keep using your FR? :) Aug 10 11:56:33 or :red or :redo Aug 10 11:56:34 Zorkman, did you actually ever play DD? (Dangerous Dave)? Aug 10 11:56:52 Dave: nope, only heard about it Aug 10 11:56:52 jomat, thanks again Aug 10 11:56:57 Ah okay :P Aug 10 11:57:01 Yeah, it was awesome! Aug 10 11:57:09 In any case Aug 10 11:57:11 but basically it was not going to be practical to do any decent ui stuff within om. so now it's do it in spare time - if i feel like it :) Aug 10 11:57:16 * Dave throws qt modules at rxshorty Aug 10 11:57:21 Zorkman_: i don't use my fr as-is. :) Aug 10 11:57:24 it's a word object. Aug 10 11:57:26 work Aug 10 11:57:40 it gets reflashed many times a day Aug 10 11:57:40 i think that is till the main problem with the phon ^_^ Aug 10 11:57:43 its not "usable" Aug 10 11:57:51 and even if Aug 10 11:57:55 ASU is not usable for me Aug 10 11:57:55 My freerunner... is strange. It switched of while untaring a rootfs on the sd and doesn't want to boot again... Aug 10 11:58:14 its a ui that makes me want to use my motorola... Aug 10 11:58:18 raster, WHy is ASU unusable for you? Aug 10 11:58:25 and man.. if i WANt to use my motorola... that says something. Aug 10 11:58:28 I'm getting a bit frustrated at the moment... Indeed, it is not usable. I tried the 2008.8 image, but I couldn't do WiFi. The image from today (20080810) does have Wifi, but no installer (that I can find)... Aug 10 11:58:54 Dave: ouch! hehe Aug 10 11:58:55 Ken-Young: keyboard, no ability to change wallpaer (well i have to install a whole new package and ssh in and hack around with files) Aug 10 11:58:55 installer? dfu-util surely? Aug 10 11:58:55 Is there anyone who has Wifi, GPS and installer working at the moment? Aug 10 11:59:20 kgoetz: No, the 'graphical installer' that was spoken of. Aug 10 11:59:23 christ: 20080810 is niet really == 2008.8; it's more like a daily build of something "ASU-like" (as i understand it :)) Aug 10 11:59:31 dialler/contacts just look like arse, it has great trouble waking up from suspend reliably Aug 10 11:59:32 raster: The only real show-stopper for me is the keyboard. Aug 10 11:59:34 christ: oh, wasnt aware of one Aug 10 11:59:36 I've seen it in 2008.8. Aug 10 11:59:43 last i used it answeing calls was basically impractical Aug 10 11:59:50 the audio quality is pretty bad Aug 10 11:59:55 But that didn't do Wifi out of the box. Aug 10 11:59:57 cga: I get an error trying to mount the jffs2 with losetup, per wiki, but I think it is an error with the method http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image Aug 10 12:00:06 to the point where unless i am in a dead-quiet room its impossible to hear or be heard. :( Aug 10 12:00:30 rxshorty help me build this thing, will ya? :P Aug 10 12:00:37 And, I've been unable to get a reliable networking connection up between my FR and my Mac, whch also didn't help... Aug 10 12:00:42 u guys are lucky u can run more than 1 app at once Aug 10 12:00:48 raster, I've used it for two days, had many suspends and resumes from calls, and it sure seems to be the best stack so far for use as a real phone. Aug 10 12:00:51 i had a battel fighing for it Aug 10 12:00:58 Dave: heh I would if I could :P Aug 10 12:01:00 it was desired in the original designs to be 1 app at a time Aug 10 12:01:03 aww Aug 10 12:01:08 u close your app then have to start a new one Aug 10 12:01:13 raster: Thanks man! I appreciate it! Aug 10 12:01:16 well they're directions are extraordinarily lmited Aug 10 12:01:19 limited Aug 10 12:01:23 there was much arguing over that Aug 10 12:01:33 Infoport, sorry i don't know. it might be because of the rootfs backup bug in dfu-util? Aug 10 12:01:44 guh Aug 10 12:01:47 Ken-Young: and yes "best so far" but not reliable Aug 10 12:01:50 it already failed Aug 10 12:01:55 not to replace my normal phone Aug 10 12:01:56 true, I think they will release it official over a week or 2 Aug 10 12:02:25 haha Aug 10 12:02:35 shit Aug 10 12:02:37 anyway - whatever direction asu/2008.8 and successors take is not something i really am bothered about anymore :) Aug 10 12:02:39 raster: "best do far" is still progress. Aug 10 12:02:40 Raster: a small question: is there a way to "emulate" a keypress through terminal on the host machine when ssh'd in? Aug 10 12:02:47 i don't need to fight for it anyway :) Aug 10 12:03:06 Ken-Young: it is progress... but doesnt mean i can use it as my phone Aug 10 12:03:39 Zorkman_: hmmm.. well. yes there is - if u write a program and use xlib + xtest extension Aug 10 12:04:04 :o Aug 10 12:04:20 * Zorkman_ spanks Dave and yells: code damn you! Aug 10 12:04:25 as such thats how the virtual keyboards work Aug 10 12:04:26 thanks raster Aug 10 12:04:28 cga: another issue-- when I change 'setenv boot_menu_timeout' and 'saveenv', it writes to NAND, and seems to revert in NOR to 60 sec after reboot Aug 10 12:04:29 they fake keypresses to x Aug 10 12:04:31 Infoport, can you tell me where did you put the trailing and how ??? i don't manage to write any file, and now it doesn't asks me for backup:dir Aug 10 12:04:45 raster - that's hot. Aug 10 12:04:58 ls Aug 10 12:05:05 Infoport, that goes too far for me... i'm not dev and it's not part of the script i guess Aug 10 12:06:09 guh Aug 10 12:07:21 Zorkman_: i use ssh -g -t -L5900:localhost:5900 freerunner 'chroot /media/card/sid x11vnc -localhost -display :0' Aug 10 12:08:14 Zorkman_: that way i can operate openmoko UI remotely Aug 10 12:08:34 wtf? http://rafb.net/p/1EAWFj43.html Aug 10 12:09:12 lindi: kinky Aug 10 12:09:52 lindi: how do i use that? Aug 10 12:10:01 Zorkman_: which part is unclear? Aug 10 12:10:11 cga: I used /home/my_home_dir/openmoko/Freerunner/backup/ which is the dir I made in advance Aug 10 12:10:14 hmmm Aug 10 12:10:32 Infoport, hardcoded or after the read? Aug 10 12:10:36 i wonder if a 2 level dict lookup is enough... Aug 10 12:10:36 cga: I am trying to put some testing in here, let you know if I succeed Aug 10 12:10:36 What happened with autoconf? Aug 10 12:10:46 lindi-: currently on windows machinne and using putty, i logged in to the FR and then i typed it Aug 10 12:10:50 Infoport, if you update code share it please =) Aug 10 12:10:55 cga: that is what I entered at the question, put into $BACKUP_DIR Aug 10 12:11:03 probably Aug 10 12:11:04 ok Aug 10 12:11:10 then the root@om-gta02: dissapears and i get only a ">" Aug 10 12:11:40 Zorkman_: windows machine? Aug 10 12:11:55 lindi-: yes like in windows xp Aug 10 12:11:57 Infoport, but b4 you said you put a / somewhere. is it in read -e BACKUP_DIR? or in actual backup commands? Aug 10 12:12:14 i don't know why it doesn't ask me for read now Aug 10 12:12:15 Zorkman_: no idea then Aug 10 12:12:30 but dio you issue the command when logged in to the neo? Aug 10 12:12:37 Infoport, pastey your working code please.. i'm getting mad Aug 10 12:12:57 Zorkman_: yes Aug 10 12:13:04 Zorkman_: but you shouldn't just blindly run it :) Aug 10 12:13:18 lindi-: i get ssh: exited: Bad TCP forward 'freerunner' Aug 10 12:13:31 do i change that with the ip of the freerunner? Aug 10 12:13:33 oh and no, it was run on my PC Aug 10 12:13:35 Infoport, "i'm getting mad" doesn't mean to be rude... sorry.... it's just a common saying in italy when you fail. Aug 10 12:14:21 cga: well, my first try didnt work, because it says dir exists in test without trailing '/' Aug 10 12:16:21 Infoport, it would be easier for me to understand by reading the working code. would you please pastey ? Aug 10 12:16:37 Infoport, i don't get what you say Aug 10 12:17:58 Infoport, nevermind... i did it =) Aug 10 12:18:20 Would something like that help? Aug 10 12:18:22 test -z `echo /foo/bar/|grep -r "/$"` && echo trailing no || echo trailing yes Aug 10 12:18:23 jomat|away, #!/bin/sh doesn't ask you for read Aug 10 12:18:35 cga: ok, pastey is updated, but I am trying the test part again with adding the slash FIRST and see if wrong, THEN without Aug 10 12:18:43 Infoport, ok Aug 10 12:18:44 I'm out for lunch now, will be back in ~1h Aug 10 12:19:03 jomat|away, thanks for that liner, going to try it. enjoy your lunch Aug 10 12:19:29 Infoport, link me please Aug 10 12:20:02 zorkman presumably to whatever 'freerunner' is :P Aug 10 12:20:52 * Dave whines at rxshorty Aug 10 12:21:10 Zorkman_: you are not familiar with openssh and only have putty? Aug 10 12:21:25 no no lindi-: it's no problem, i'll run it when i boot linux Aug 10 12:21:34 but right now i have to right some papers and that I do in windows Aug 10 12:21:35 Hi, when I try to run a script with commands in 2008.8. I get the following message: 02:~# -sh: dinovo: Permission denied Aug 10 12:21:51 Zorkman_: since if you understand both it should be quite easy to port that to work with putty Aug 10 12:21:57 The name of the script is dinovo Aug 10 12:22:01 i saved your command and will try it next time on, where i find the terminal more easy Aug 10 12:23:05 good zorkman :P Aug 10 12:24:36 cga: http://pastey.net/93436 (should show on yours as replies?) Aug 10 12:24:50 Infoport, thanks, yes Aug 10 12:26:24 Infoport, i was thinking of something like: if the directory exist exit 0 else {do you want to create it?"} Aug 10 12:26:42 read mkdir Aug 10 12:27:30 Why do I get this Permission denied error? When I try to run a script Aug 10 12:28:43 chmod it? Aug 10 12:29:53 Infoport, the trailing is better in backup command, we should concentrate on creating the dir if not exist Aug 10 12:30:25 cga: I also realized there should be a check for = "" first too, otherwise a trailing slash gives you the root dir Aug 10 12:30:27 Infoport, IMHO all that checking is good in concept but not in terms of code usability. i want to keep it siompler as possible Aug 10 12:31:15 cga: well the way I was trying is to automatically try the trailing slash-- the extra output is just for debug Aug 10 12:32:32 Excuse the random question: If anyone in here speaks Swedish can you tell me what "helgstämning" is in English? Thanks :) Aug 10 12:33:14 Infoport, i see =) but if we put the trailing has jomat|away said is better and easier. for example: ${DFU} -d ${HEX} -a kernel -R -U ${BACKUP_DIR}/kernel-${DATE}.bin Aug 10 12:33:46 Infoport, that way you don't have to ask user and confuse him Aug 10 12:35:13 cga: won't that cause a problem if they put the trailing slash (have two slashes together in the command?) Aug 10 12:35:26 gonna try that Aug 10 12:35:48 cga: my test_dir.sh seems to validate with no trailing, one trailing, or even when it tries with two :-( Aug 10 12:36:05 Infoport, arf Aug 10 12:36:13 Infoport, let me try something Aug 10 12:36:40 Infoport, you know what would be very useful?? getting the name of the device instead of the hex Aug 10 12:38:12 like getting something like: 0x1457 shown as Neo 1983 and 0x1d50 shown as Free Runner Aug 10 12:38:20 adn you chose the device not the hex Aug 10 12:38:28 *1973 Aug 10 12:38:49 cga: here is the newer script-- I am actually running just the test portion as a script when debugging it here Aug 10 12:38:54 cga: http://pastey.net/93437 Aug 10 12:40:43 Infoport, mmm interesting. let me try if the script sees the trailing like i said before. if not we can skip that / checking altogether Aug 10 12:41:04 Infoport, and concentrate on creating the dir if not exist Aug 10 12:44:21 gablagh Aug 10 12:45:36 cga: I think now the thing to do is test for slash at END of string, using regex (regular expressions) to indicate "at the end" Aug 10 12:46:10 What is this script in, ANYWAY? Bash? Aug 10 12:46:18 (I haven't bothered to even look at it) :p Aug 10 12:46:20 Infoport, i'm not that good at scripting... actually it's my first script..... :P Aug 10 12:46:28 Dave, yes bash Aug 10 12:46:37 hah Aug 10 12:46:48 Can I rewrite it? Aug 10 12:47:05 Where's the latest version? Aug 10 12:49:04 * Dave bashes cga Aug 10 12:49:51 Dave, i'm noob Aug 10 12:50:04 :D Aug 10 12:50:07 Where is script? Aug 10 12:50:09 I fix. Aug 10 12:50:09 Dave, it's my first script Aug 10 12:50:13 oh, cute ^_^ Aug 10 12:50:19 maybe I won't fix it, then :p Aug 10 12:50:22 ok i paste you what i'm trying to do now Aug 10 12:50:51 okay :P Aug 10 12:51:03 i r teh 1337 pearl script0r :p Aug 10 12:51:26 * Dave wonders how rtyler is doing.... psychologically. Aug 10 12:52:51 Dave, mind you.,... it's just a try right now... especially the mkdir one... http://pastey.net/93438 please don't bash me too much XD Aug 10 12:53:18 Dave, you could get the name instead of hex if you please :P Aug 10 12:53:25 cga: is there some way to download the whole file without javascript? Aug 10 12:53:26 i mean code it :P Aug 10 12:53:31 lindi-, ? Aug 10 12:53:44 :D Aug 10 12:53:46 cga: 'Download and save' does not seem to do anything Aug 10 12:54:03 nope unfortunately... just copy and paste Aug 10 12:54:08 javascript!? Aug 10 12:54:10 o_o Aug 10 12:54:20 cga: how? Aug 10 12:54:31 cga: the lines are wrapped Aug 10 12:54:45 lindi-, wait a sec i put it on rafb Aug 10 12:55:14 lindi: http://rafb.net/p/pH4sMY81.html Aug 10 12:55:16 I copied to rafb Aug 10 12:55:17 :] Aug 10 12:55:34 For there can be only one [nopaste]! Aug 10 12:56:20 Joerg please give me your mail address, so I can send my defective batteries to you. Aug 10 12:56:26 Then they will be your problem! :D Aug 10 12:56:43 I should order a box of gta02 batteries from some reseller. Aug 10 12:56:49 lindi-, Dave i can c&p form pastey top editor why can't you? Aug 10 12:56:55 *to Aug 10 12:57:03 fuck pastey? Aug 10 12:57:06 :) Aug 10 12:57:24 cga: you are using X maybe? Aug 10 12:57:31 ohps =) Aug 10 12:57:39 cga, did you ever confirm that nand and nor both use the same uboot hex? Aug 10 12:57:53 not yet Dave Aug 10 12:58:01 Dave: did you forget to take your med's? Aug 10 12:58:05 uggh, I'll do it for you then! Aug 10 12:58:07 Dave, want to try it? Aug 10 12:58:09 cool Aug 10 12:58:11 :P Aug 10 12:58:16 cga: it's not really copyable without X and javascript :P Aug 10 12:58:20 * Dave throws zorkman inside his scummvm Aug 10 12:58:23 lindi-, =) Aug 10 12:58:30 * Zorkman_ likes mircs, here he doesn't have to pay attention to his english spelling and grammar :) Aug 10 12:58:31 hooooooooi Marcels :] Aug 10 13:00:01 zorkman any idea if there is going to be another numpty version? Aug 10 13:00:18 i've haven't the slightest clue, maybe you can mail the author? Aug 10 13:00:57 -_- Aug 10 13:01:02 I'd rather not... Aug 10 13:01:22 i promise you won't get cooties after mailing him :p Aug 10 13:01:28 ~_~ Aug 10 13:01:28 STOP DOING THAT! Aug 10 13:01:39 apt: klootviool! Aug 10 13:02:50 man, I need to rebuild vim Aug 10 13:06:19 Belgians are playing against only 9 chinese, this way even they can't loose :) Aug 10 13:07:02 the app icons are just 32x32 pngs right? Aug 10 13:07:57 \nick jomat Aug 10 13:08:27 Ainulindale: hah - http://people.openmoko.org/sean/specifications/images/dialer_states.png Aug 10 13:08:29 grep -r is wrong Aug 10 13:08:52 Sorry Aug 10 13:09:00 Dave: what ? Aug 10 13:09:12 That's a nice diagram I just stumbled upon on the wiki :) Aug 10 13:09:21 But I think two // don't matter Aug 10 13:09:22 Made me think of your dialer progress :) Aug 10 13:10:09 Dave do you know some open source applications for creating such diagrams ? Aug 10 13:10:33 better ones Aug 10 13:10:41 that one's pretty ghetto Aug 10 13:11:17 Yeah better ones are always appreciated :) Aug 10 13:14:18 yeah one sec, doing naughty pixmap manipulation Aug 10 13:14:43 :-p Aug 10 13:15:51 bwah Aug 10 13:16:07 breaking X is always so much fun! Aug 10 13:17:11 zorkman, I made icons for a bunch of stuff that didn't have any - gave lbreakout2 a nice little icon :p Aug 10 13:17:23 also reorganized all the games appropriately Aug 10 13:17:40 furthermore, it appears to be a bug where Application Category=Games should be Game Aug 10 13:17:53 regardless the entries are totally promiscuous Aug 10 13:18:01 reminds me of fucking YAML Aug 10 13:18:26 too many games on this freerunner Aug 10 13:18:38 retracile_: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1796 Aug 10 13:23:18 how do I exit the vi terminal in 2008.8? What fuctions as the esc key Aug 10 13:23:55 yo cga Aug 10 13:24:06 jomat, how do i get mkdir to read a path with spaces in it?? it doesn't take ~/Free\ Runner/backup as good and creates two dir.. on Free and one Runner/backup Aug 10 13:24:08 Dave, Aug 10 13:24:24 for me both NAND and NOR had the same HEX ID Aug 10 13:24:29 yay! Aug 10 13:24:34 the only differing data was that devnum=43 in NOR Aug 10 13:24:40 and devnum=44 in NAND Aug 10 13:24:59 Dave, would you write code for having what's described before taht code?? getting Neo 1973 and Neo Free Runner instead of heses? Aug 10 13:25:09 cga: you could put it in "..." Aug 10 13:25:13 well Dave doesn't matter... the important thing is the hex Aug 10 13:25:17 you mean you want the name in place of the Hex ID? Aug 10 13:25:24 yes Dave Aug 10 13:25:29 sure, since we can distinguish between them Aug 10 13:25:32 prompetd to chose from Aug 10 13:25:37 cga, it works fine for me with \ Aug 10 13:25:38 So then you wanted them to be different in some way? :P Aug 10 13:25:47 eh Aug 10 13:25:51 jomat, dereferencing? o.O Aug 10 13:26:37 cga, explain yourself please. Aug 10 13:26:43 Tanuva, thanks that worked =) Aug 10 13:26:48 Dave, 1 sec Aug 10 13:26:48 mkdir -p ~/Free\ Runner/backup Aug 10 13:27:11 Freerunner Aug 10 13:27:11 jomat, it's actually mkdir -p -v "${BACKUP_DIR}" Aug 10 13:27:16 also gah Aug 10 13:27:25 needz moar pearl!1111 Aug 10 13:27:35 jomat, it gets the dir from the read -e Aug 10 13:27:44 -e backup? Aug 10 13:27:51 otherwise fail? Aug 10 13:27:52 backupo_dir Aug 10 13:28:02 -_- Aug 10 13:28:03 well yes that was just to explain Aug 10 13:28:17 that doesn't explain at all about what you wanted me to do. Aug 10 13:28:19 :) Aug 10 13:28:19 let me show you my magnificent first code :P Aug 10 13:28:24 rofl Aug 10 13:28:31 =) Aug 10 13:28:50 Aug 10 13:29:37 cay dee eight eye cay tee! Aug 10 13:29:45 Dave, jomat http://rafb.net/p/DO6TOe84.html , Dave i explained what to do about hex and names there, ask if not clear enough Aug 10 13:29:55 Hooray! Aug 10 13:29:56 *g* Aug 10 13:29:59 cga: still struggling to get my code to test for a forward slash at the end Aug 10 13:30:01 is there a ruby package for 2008.8? Aug 10 13:30:02 :-( Aug 10 13:30:03 and horry it's on rafb now :) Aug 10 13:30:10 Sirbob muwahahahaha Aug 10 13:30:12 Infoport, not needed anymore... see http://rafb.net/p/DO6TOe84.html Aug 10 13:30:14 mkdir -p -v "${BACKUP_DIR} says: mkdir: created directory `~' Aug 10 13:30:23 mkdir: created directory `~/free runner' Aug 10 13:30:34 mkdir: created directory `~/free runner/bck' Aug 10 13:30:51 jomat, Aug 10 13:30:52 http://rafb.net/p/DO6TOe84.html Aug 10 13:30:57 ophs sorry Aug 10 13:31:03 root@braith:/home/cga/Free Runner/backup# ./neo_backup.sh Aug 10 13:31:03 these are the devices i found: Aug 10 13:31:03 1 Found Runtime: 0x413c:0x8127 devnum=7, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED" Aug 10 13:31:03 chose WISELY the one to backup: Aug 10 13:31:03 1 Aug 10 13:31:04 Which directory should i use to backup? Aug 10 13:31:06 /home/cga/Free\ Runner/foo Aug 10 13:31:08 the directory does not exist!! i'm creating it for you Aug 10 13:31:10 mkdir: directory `/home/cga/Free Runner/foo' creata Aug 10 13:31:12 nope Aug 10 13:31:17 Sirbob: nope Aug 10 13:31:21 Not that I know of. Aug 10 13:31:27 * jomat hopes not to write rm -rf ~ now... Aug 10 13:31:41 cga, wtf? Aug 10 13:31:44 ? Aug 10 13:31:50 Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=43, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade" Aug 10 13:31:57 Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=44, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade" Aug 10 13:31:57 and? Aug 10 13:32:03 What's wrong with that? Aug 10 13:32:04 arf Aug 10 13:32:09 You want the name to read something else? Aug 10 13:32:24 or you want [HEX] to read [Freerunner] or [Neo1973] ? Aug 10 13:32:56 Dave, i want the code to grab ther hex and say -> 1. Free Runner 2. Neo 1973 from it instead of showing the whole line Aug 10 13:33:00 yes Aug 10 13:33:04 Okay ^_^ Aug 10 13:33:08 cool =) Aug 10 13:33:09 I can do that if you'd like. Aug 10 13:33:13 and give the user the option Aug 10 13:33:15 i'd love to =) Aug 10 13:33:22 But is this for safety reasons? Aug 10 13:33:26 yes Aug 10 13:33:29 because you don't trust the user to do the right thing? :P Aug 10 13:33:35 :D Aug 10 13:33:44 oh don'0t forget to put hex else 3. other device ... don't touch Aug 10 13:33:52 right Aug 10 13:33:56 does anybody know why this test for forward slash at end doesn't work? if [ "$BACKUP_DIR" == "\/$" ] Aug 10 13:34:03 in case they're trying to flash their dishwasher or something Aug 10 13:34:08 :P Aug 10 13:34:23 which program can I use for recording from the microphone of the freerunner? Aug 10 13:35:03 Ko_deZ: qtopia has a voice notes app built in Aug 10 13:35:08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOn1htjSZic Aug 10 13:35:10 heh Aug 10 13:35:29 on the right of the == I want to test for /, with $ being the "at end" regex, but it isnt working Aug 10 13:36:40 Dave, i've already flashed something else... and now my bluetooth mouse doesn't work anymore... that's why i started this script.. Aug 10 13:36:42 zsh read seems to be strange with -e and -p, but sth. like echo -n "Backup dir: ";read BACKUP_DIR;echo $BACKUP_DIR; works here... Aug 10 13:37:10 anyways, I don't like read :-) Aug 10 13:38:45 jomat, you could modify it for zsh . i've been trying to use #!/bin/sh but read doesn't work there and i havo no clue how to do it cros shell Aug 10 13:39:09 cga: a few corrections-- put "check whether" (typo, and remove "exit 1" from successful check (exit 0 is success, but will EXIT right then) Aug 10 13:39:09 cga, is http://rafb.net/p/DO6TOe84.html the newest one? Aug 10 13:39:20 Dave: Did you test it :-P Aug 10 13:39:33 jomat, http://rafb.net/p/DO6TOe84.html Aug 10 13:39:40 jomat, mine at least.. Aug 10 13:39:48 cga: why away from pastey? Aug 10 13:39:49 i don't know Dave 's and Infoport 's Aug 10 13:39:54 So, other suggestions are welcome. I would like to grab audio from the mic. Aug 10 13:40:06 Infoport, some people can't see it with no Xorg Aug 10 13:40:47 cga: just wondering...I was not reading for a while and testing... Aug 10 13:40:54 np Aug 10 13:40:56 I want to see if I can find a connection between the echo and crosstalk between the mic and speaker. Aug 10 13:42:09 if [ "$BACKUP_DIR" == "\/$" ] Does anybody know why this doesn't check for forward slash at end (with \literal and regex $) Aug 10 13:42:22 jomat, what's wrong with :4 s/[a-z]/[A-Z] ? Aug 10 13:43:16 If I manage to find one, there is a slight possibility that one could make a transfer function that one could apply it (using convolution) to the input from the mic to filter out the output from the speaker. Aug 10 13:43:58 Just a thought I would like to explore. I am not an expert at the area, but it could be fun to check out. Aug 10 13:44:23 I checked the opkg repository for mplayer, but did not find it. Aug 10 13:46:48 I'm trying to build my own toolchain with bitbake and on the last stages opkg-cl gives me "Could not obtain administrative lock" Aug 10 13:47:23 I guess I could try aplay actually. Aug 10 13:48:29 cga: after all that, I think that no problem came from two // from your ending commands with one embedded (if they entered one, say from using tab-completion) Aug 10 13:49:07 Infoport, nice of you to try and test for so long time =) but i told you before it wasn't a problem :P Aug 10 13:49:32 cga: it worked for me, once I removed the "exit 1" lines -- you only need them if you want to give an error and EXIT Aug 10 13:49:48 Infoport, my latest http://rafb.net/p/DO6TOe84.html , waiting for Dave to code the hex -> name -> chose Aug 10 13:50:12 cga: I was obsessed with find the answer (still haven't, but I know it works with it embedded, even if you end with a slash yourself) Aug 10 13:50:16 Infoport, so i remove exit 1 or 0 if i want the script to go on? Aug 10 13:51:15 Infoport, i get an error if remove exit 1 Aug 10 13:51:39 cga: yes. usually if you call a script from another, you end it successfully with exit 0, and you end it unsuccessfully with other exit #s. The script that calls the 2nd can get the exit code, and know whether the 2nd script was ok or what before proceeding Aug 10 13:53:00 Infoport, take a look at my latest and please tell me how to not exit the script after the if iter Aug 10 13:53:26 cga: so if you *might* call a script (like if we put the directory test in a script and ran it from yours, or run yours from another) those are good to have to it can return status Aug 10 13:53:50 Infoport, ok, bnut as is now it ends at if or mkdir Aug 10 13:55:01 i might need to look at exit numbers, where do i find them?? man ? Aug 10 13:55:10 cga: you need something after "then" above line 33 (which isn't needed there) Maybe echo "Directory exists" > /dev/null ? Aug 10 13:56:36 cga: exit 0 is SUCCESS, and you use numbers up to 255, but I think all non-zero are up to you (all would be various failures, use diff # if needed to tell apart when you call a script) Aug 10 13:57:02 Infoport, even with exit 0 it stops, trying again to make sure Aug 10 13:57:27 cga: you don't really need exit0, or put it at VERY end, and use exit 1 (or other #) for FAILURE when you want to exit Aug 10 14:00:44 Does vendor:product change sometimes? Aug 10 14:03:20 jomat, nope Aug 10 14:03:42 jomat, at least not for the same device:product Aug 10 14:03:47 err Aug 10 14:03:51 vendor:product Aug 10 14:03:55 Here's a version which seems to work (dammn, my mouse is empty...) http://rafb.net/p/LdcdSc36.html Aug 10 14:04:46 Why should someone want to flash his bt stick with om... Aug 10 14:05:06 err... =) Aug 10 14:05:18 i was trying to backup actually Aug 10 14:05:31 I think, there could be a var DEVICE=0x046d:0xc709 Aug 10 14:05:47 jomat, Dave is working on that Aug 10 14:05:59 Dave, are you ? true? Aug 10 14:06:05 cga, jomat: jomat's last one looks good to me...I like that it asks before creating (I wouldn't want to create a dir without being asked, esp from a typo maybe) Aug 10 14:06:24 cga, i've heard from someone who killed his dell mouse by backing it's firmware up :-) Aug 10 14:06:35 jomat, it's me Aug 10 14:06:55 grats :-) Aug 10 14:07:08 jomat, that's why i started this script (and for fun) Aug 10 14:07:19 jomat, thanks XD Aug 10 14:07:43 jomat, and i hope it's only the mouse and not the bt something on the laptop Aug 10 14:07:48 cga: there is still typos in line 33 there -- should be "check whether" -- but looks good. If only it could check for where dfu-util resides (instead of having to be edited) Aug 10 14:08:34 anybody else have troubles with downloading opkg feeds? Aug 10 14:08:43 i can ping downloads.openmoko.com, but i can't wget the file Aug 10 14:08:45 btw: I've reveived my FR yesterday and will go to holyday tomorrow. It's the only phone i have. Is it a good strategy to use this firmware in the flash: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ and have Qtopia on SD-card? Aug 10 14:09:01 holy day! *g* Aug 10 14:09:19 maybe using the command "which" as a test? if dfu-util is in your path, it should return the path. "which ls" returns "/bin/ls" Aug 10 14:09:35 cga, my logitech dinovo edge bt-dongle shows up with dfu-util :-) Aug 10 14:09:43 jomat, i'm going to put 2008.08 and Qtopia in the SD too,,, (and keep the 2007.2 in NAND) is always a good idea. Aug 10 14:10:21 2008.08 doesn't work for me because of the pin dialog Aug 10 14:10:24 jomat, now you see why it's good to have this script :P Aug 10 14:10:40 * cga brb Aug 10 14:10:43 *g* Aug 10 14:10:47 jomat: are you really using zsh as the interpreter for your script? Aug 10 14:11:08 tuXXX, yes, i usually only use zsh. Aug 10 14:11:16 cga: "which" will find command in path, and "ls" will find it in current directory-- that could be used as a test to automate the DFU= part Aug 10 14:11:38 DFU=`which dfu-util` Aug 10 14:12:07 I think every var in tests should be double-quoted Aug 10 14:12:11 Infoport, jomat , dfu-util is from svn and i don't know if it gets found by which Aug 10 14:12:22 and `...` should be replaced by "$(...)" Aug 10 14:12:39 cga: it doesn't if you don't put it in your path Aug 10 14:12:41 Infoport, jomat at least if it's in its src dir Aug 10 14:12:43 if dfu-util is somewhere in your PATH, it gets found Aug 10 14:12:57 jomat, Infoport so it's useless Aug 10 14:13:13 $( ) should be replaced by ` ` (because $( ) is bash specific) Aug 10 14:13:15 if you have in your path DFU=dfu-til will find it Aug 10 14:13:29 and well, paths should be quoted too (often spaces are here) Aug 10 14:13:57 jomat: it's working in zsh too Aug 10 14:14:00 cga: but if user put it into /bin, or added the dir to their $PATH, then it would. If it wasn't found, you could check for current dir with "ls", otherwise give error and exit Aug 10 14:14:17 cga: then no editing the DFU= partions Aug 10 14:14:21 holy crap the open street map svn is huge Aug 10 14:15:03 SirBob1701: you only want some specific part :) Aug 10 14:15:35 Infoport, mmm i'm not 100% positive on that but you can try to code and let's see if it works good and use it Aug 10 14:15:52 lindi-: ya the app to download tiles. want to make a little prog/script so you can pack tiles on your desktop for diversity Aug 10 14:16:19 i was told a program to download the tiles exists in the svn but i don't know what it is called Aug 10 14:16:38 SirBob1701: mass download from tile.openstreetmap.org? Aug 10 14:16:46 tuXXX, yes, but not in csh Aug 10 14:16:58 lindi-: yup Aug 10 14:17:12 SirBob1701: please don't do that. it takes all the bandwidth away from interactive users Aug 10 14:17:14 well, I don't know if the remaining syntax works in csh anyway Aug 10 14:17:14 like http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/downloading/tiles_by_bbox/ ? Aug 10 14:17:23 SirBob1701: you can easily generate your own tiles Aug 10 14:17:59 jomat, does that while .. done works on bash too? Aug 10 14:18:30 for example, tests in csh are done with parenthesis Aug 10 14:19:05 cga, in mine yes Aug 10 14:19:32 jomat, gonna try here and use that code if works (it's alot better) Aug 10 14:19:40 lindi-: if users are expected to never do that then how would you ever use osm for daily navigation? If i'm planning on taking a trip i would like to have tiles preloaded on my phone so that if i get lost in a relatively small area I can find my way. Aug 10 14:19:53 lindi-: it seems like a very reasonable request to me Aug 10 14:20:08 cga, yes, thanks, but also use the improvements of tuXXX Aug 10 14:20:22 lindi-: i'm not talking about a huge download of maps like a state. only a specific zoom level where you can see detail of streets around your immediate area Aug 10 14:21:10 jomat, tuXXX ok, can you repeat them in on line ; separated ? i wasn't following Aug 10 14:21:16 SirBob1701: i am only saying that the page is already very slow Aug 10 14:21:34 SirBob1701: since you can easily generate the tiles yourself why add more load to the public servers? Aug 10 14:21:41 I HAVE THE FULL QUERTY KEYBOARD IN 2008.8 Aug 10 14:21:51 ^_^ sorry it was worth shouting :) Aug 10 14:22:03 lindi-: i must be missing something explain what you mean by generate tiles yourself Aug 10 14:22:52 SirBob1701: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Mapnik Aug 10 14:24:14 lindi-: but thats still fetching data from osm... Aug 10 14:24:24 SirBob1701: but from different server :) Aug 10 14:26:24 almien: any idea if openstreetmap tiles for some areas are available as bittorrent fiels? Aug 10 14:26:56 jomat, what's wrong with :4 s/[a-z]/[A-Z] ??? i want to have A-Z on line 4 Aug 10 14:27:36 Uhm, where? Aug 10 14:28:39 jomat, with vim Aug 10 14:29:05 i'm issuing the command i asked you about Aug 10 14:29:22 to get A-Z instead of a-z Aug 10 14:30:30 moment please, i just accidentially mounted /dev twice and ... that sucks! :-) Aug 10 14:30:39 ohps =) Aug 10 14:31:13 *g* Aug 10 14:34:01 lindi-: no I don't think so because creating such a file would force mapnik to render everything instead of just what gets viewed. might work if someone did it on the tiles@home server though (i.e. just sell DVD backups of its tile directories or something) Aug 10 14:34:09 cga: the script doesn't find zsh on my machine, maybe not for others either Aug 10 14:34:53 Infoport, that's normal if you don't have it installed, the final script will be #!/bin/sh if possible so it will be cross shells Aug 10 14:35:30 well, it'll be bash-compatible Aug 10 14:35:59 * jomat thinks: If it was right to umount -l /dev Aug 10 14:36:02 tuXXX, isn't sh for every shell? (i'm noob) Aug 10 14:36:27 well, on BSD /bin/sh is the BSD shell Aug 10 14:36:31 ok Aug 10 14:36:39 sh is ususally linked to the systems 'preferred' shell. Aug 10 14:36:44 good Aug 10 14:36:54 It may be ash, bash, zsh, ksh,qsh, ... Aug 10 14:37:05 so it's like i said? Aug 10 14:37:14 it will be for "all" ? Aug 10 14:37:15 I don't think it'll work on BSD Aug 10 14:37:22 sh will only run one shell on any given system. Aug 10 14:37:27 ok Aug 10 14:37:50 I think that the best thing would be to set #!/bin/bash Aug 10 14:38:00 let's leave it sh then, i hope it works Aug 10 14:38:17 what do I have to install to use pidgin? Aug 10 14:38:17 it'll not ^^ Aug 10 14:38:30 tuXXX, that's my idea since i like bash and use it but think of others :P Aug 10 14:38:45 yes but you have to modify it to be compatible with BSD sh Aug 10 14:38:46 (except bsd of course :P) Aug 10 14:38:59 hi Aug 10 14:38:59 i don't care for bsd Aug 10 14:39:12 well, on linux, /bin/sh is always a symlink to /bin/bash anyway Aug 10 14:39:22 i got 2008.8 to boot on the htc blueangel with a different kernel and modules Aug 10 14:39:23 unless someone changes that Aug 10 14:39:24 (I never saw anything else, at least) Aug 10 14:39:35 it says loading X, then i just get a black screen Aug 10 14:39:47 usually, people use chsh to change their shell, but it doesn't change /bin/sh Aug 10 14:39:54 can anyone give me any insight? Aug 10 14:40:08 tuXXX, never seen a system with busybox on it? Aug 10 14:40:25 jomat, a-z A-Z please? Aug 10 14:40:31 yes of course Aug 10 14:40:48 are we talking about GNU/Linux or other systems as well? ^^' Aug 10 14:41:17 i care only for GNU/Linux and its shells Aug 10 14:41:43 tuXXX: always? not at all Aug 10 14:42:13 lindi-: really? Aug 10 14:42:47 tuXXX: e.g. ubuntu does not have it like that? Aug 10 14:44:30 in ubuntu, /bin/sh is in the "bash" package, let's see... Aug 10 14:45:06 tuXXX: yep but there are diversions Aug 10 14:45:19 has someone succesfully installed pidgin on the neo? Aug 10 14:45:32 i have Aug 10 14:45:44 on the 2007.2 image (irc and msn tested) Aug 10 14:45:49 cga, i don't have an idea right now :-) Aug 10 14:45:58 jomat, np Aug 10 14:46:13 Zorkman: What did you install to get it working? Aug 10 14:46:24 lindi-: yes, it seems that it's now dash Aug 10 14:46:30 and i'll prepare some things for my holiday now.... Aug 10 14:47:04 i think i just opkg install'ed it Aug 10 14:47:21 but right now i'm booted in 2008.8 and there my opkg won't connect to the internet... Aug 10 14:47:32 Has anyone there tried to run/develop some mouse aware ncurses software on the neo ? Aug 10 14:47:36 i can ping downloads.openmoko.com, but i can't wget anything... Aug 10 14:48:50 Zorkman_: Ok, my opkg sometimes gives me an error Aug 10 14:49:04 https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ seems to be bored -- could any one confirm -- just go there Aug 10 14:49:11 "Could not save screenshot: Value for PNG text chunk CREATOR cannot be converted to ISO-8859-1 encoding" Aug 10 14:49:21 any one got an idea why this happens ? Aug 10 14:49:49 spdr__: how can i reproduce it? Aug 10 14:49:52 Blalien: indeed Aug 10 14:50:04 spdr: on the mailinglist i think i've seen it Aug 10 14:50:10 lindi-, i just take a screenshot, and try to save it :\ Aug 10 14:50:16 Dave, ping Aug 10 14:50:18 spdr__: with what program? Aug 10 14:50:29 the default with 2007.02 Aug 10 14:50:38 where does it get the "CREATOR" from ? Aug 10 14:50:40 spdr__: do you know the name of the program? Aug 10 14:50:47 Zorkman_: I get the following error "* ERROR: duplicate src declaration." Aug 10 14:51:17 spdr__: is it "gpe-scap"? Aug 10 14:51:19 cga: hey, I have made my version test for dfu-util (no editing script!) Aug 10 14:51:22 Infoport, how's that dfu-util check going? Aug 10 14:51:24 yeah thats it Aug 10 14:51:24 cool Aug 10 14:51:41 Infoport, show me your nuts!!! XD Aug 10 14:51:43 lindi-, thats it, any replacement or workaround ? Aug 10 14:52:29 spdr__: when trac works again, check https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1694, this is the bug you are describing Aug 10 14:52:31 spdr__: it seems to do if (! gdk_pixbuf_save (priv->full, tmpnam, "png", &err, "tEXt::CREATOR", "gpe-screenshot", NULL)) Aug 10 14:53:00 spdr__: this seems to be a sollution: Aug 10 14:53:01 cd /lib Aug 10 14:53:01 ln -s libc.so.6 libc.so Aug 10 14:53:15 spdr__: but it should say 'Could not save screenshot to temporary file: ' Aug 10 14:53:20 spdr__: and not 'Could not save screenshot: ' Aug 10 14:53:37 yes, correct once again :) i just got lazy :) Aug 10 14:53:47 thanks Aug 10 14:54:43 perhaps i can find it in the google cache for now Aug 10 14:54:55 Zorkman_: sounds like an odd workaround :) Aug 10 14:55:46 fr Aug 10 14:55:48 hi here Aug 10 14:58:27 cga: here is my revised code http://rafb.net/p/j8kqeN68.html Aug 10 14:59:14 great Infoport Aug 10 14:59:14 lindi-: i quote mickey lauer: " This is a bug in OpenEmbedded. For some reason, ISO8859-1.so gets a NEEDED Aug 10 14:59:14 on libc.so in addition to libc.so.6. If we relink manually, it's gone. Aug 10 14:59:14 There's no clue right now where it comes from. Aug 10 14:59:18 " Aug 10 15:00:07 cga: it fails if dfu-util not found in path nor in current dir (although second still gets output for some reason from ls dfu-util, as not found) Aug 10 15:00:25 mmm Aug 10 15:00:55 cga: by fails, I mean it fails gracefully, exits with exit 1 Aug 10 15:01:05 Infoport, i was readinng the code and thinking of it cleaner. but i'm not able to right now... i need to try and experimetn Aug 10 15:01:18 anyway very good idea Aug 10 15:04:16 Infoport, how about making it a function? Aug 10 15:04:27 am i saying bullshit? Aug 10 15:06:15 :) Aug 10 15:06:44 has someone tried a bluetooth headset under 2008.8? Aug 10 15:08:15 Dave, !! how's the hex name going? =) Aug 10 15:16:07 Maybe going Aug 10 15:16:10 I was busy outside :p Aug 10 15:16:24 cga: oh yeah, I switched back to bash too (for the moment), since zsh isn't on mine Aug 10 15:16:41 * Dave kicks ChanServ in the nuts Aug 10 15:16:58 Dave, i see =) np. do it when you are ready and willing to (but before yesterday!!! :P) Aug 10 15:17:14 :P Aug 10 15:17:23 Infoport, i put #!/bin/bahs too... and read -e. otherwise it would use completion Aug 10 15:17:38 it wouldn't* Aug 10 15:17:56 bahs? Aug 10 15:18:06 is that like #!/bin/moos ? Aug 10 15:18:08 its cousin =) Aug 10 15:18:27 cga: on mine, the only part diff from jomat's version is using I used bash, and the DFU= section lines11-26 Aug 10 15:18:38 ok Aug 10 15:18:38 cat /dev/cow Aug 10 15:18:43 ECRAVEN Aug 10 15:18:45 moo0o0 Aug 10 15:18:52 * Dave moos at ecraven Aug 10 15:18:55 ;) Aug 10 15:19:14 Ecraven, join in the festitivities :) Aug 10 15:19:20 what are we celebrating? Aug 10 15:19:29 oh, nothing Aug 10 15:19:41 the utter confusion and bewilderment that openmoko development brings :) Aug 10 15:21:39 oops Aug 10 15:22:12 i'm celebrating full querty on 2008.8 :) Aug 10 15:22:32 hehe Aug 10 15:22:34 \o/ Aug 10 15:22:40 does everything else work? :P Aug 10 15:22:56 if i uninstall everuthing yes :) Aug 10 15:23:09 hah Aug 10 15:23:39 catzilla: rawr Aug 10 15:23:43 meow Aug 10 15:23:51 * Dave pets the catzilla Aug 10 15:23:57 hey all, does anybody know if the speed dial functionality is actually working in 2008.8? Aug 10 15:23:57 ok that's enough Aug 10 15:24:01 ;) Aug 10 15:24:20 Zorkman, can you confirm? Aug 10 15:24:25 so are freerunners hot? Aug 10 15:24:25 there's a ticket on trac regarding it, but I can't read it because it seems to be dead :( Aug 10 15:24:30 catzilla, indeed! Aug 10 15:24:35 how hot? Aug 10 15:24:40 what's the battery life like? Aug 10 15:24:46 mine stays relatively cool, actually Aug 10 15:24:46 hot like you could drop it? ;p Aug 10 15:24:51 ah Aug 10 15:24:54 oh you were actually talking temperature wise? Aug 10 15:24:58 no Aug 10 15:25:01 ;D Aug 10 15:25:02 catzilla: momentarily i get 24 hrs or so (an extrapolation, i don't like the batt getting drained) Aug 10 15:25:05 i don't think so, heh, i was just joking Aug 10 15:25:08 i was speaking hiltonese Aug 10 15:25:14 huhu Aug 10 15:25:19 Zorkman_: are you heavy on the 3G? Aug 10 15:25:20 it would be hot if it worked Aug 10 15:25:23 * russellb ducks Aug 10 15:25:24 but chicks digg'em Aug 10 15:25:35 canadians, anyway Aug 10 15:25:37 catzilla: no, totally not Aug 10 15:25:47 ok Aug 10 15:25:58 It doesn't have 3G Aug 10 15:25:59 any of you guys in the US? Aug 10 15:26:02 it doesn't? Aug 10 15:26:06 3g = more costs (licences); more power consumption (currently), and in my country i find data-tarifs way too high Aug 10 15:26:17 my mistake Aug 10 15:26:22 catzilla yerp Aug 10 15:26:25 i'd rather go to a wifi hotspot and leech :) Aug 10 15:26:37 ew gprs Aug 10 15:26:40 haha yeah Aug 10 15:26:50 sickos Aug 10 15:27:07 I'm glad that the blackberries we have here at least get EVDO Aug 10 15:27:58 which pretty much negates the need for wifi Aug 10 15:28:12 gonna read something, need a break, catch you later DAve Aug 10 15:28:16 or shuts us up from complaining about the apparent lack thereof ;) Aug 10 15:28:22 Later Zorkman :D Aug 10 15:28:27 (if you pay for the dataplan Dave :)) Aug 10 15:28:31 Don't spend the entire day playing games ;) Aug 10 15:28:35 Zorkman, yep! Aug 10 15:28:35 :P Aug 10 15:28:42 i'm spening my entire day writing papers :( Aug 10 15:28:47 :( Aug 10 15:28:58 one down, three to go ;) Aug 10 15:29:03 wow Aug 10 15:29:10 het spijt me :[ Aug 10 15:31:20 veel succes met je opleiding, Zorkman ;) Aug 10 15:31:56 * Dave moet gaan Aug 10 15:32:03 hi can anyone tell me where i can find the source code that implements the kinematic scrolling in openmoko? Aug 10 15:36:35 catzilla: US, using AT&T, FR NOT hot, battery only slightly warm when I pop it right out (after being hooked up usually) Aug 10 15:37:02 cga: I have to eat more food...these bits aren't filling enough Aug 10 15:37:14 eh eh Aug 10 15:37:17 hi can anyone tell me where i can find the source code that implements the kinematic scrolling in openmoko? Aug 10 15:40:56 Infoport, i need to rest a bit... going to play my didj for a while Aug 10 16:08:37 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Server:WebProxy <--- could somebody give any insights for this? Aug 10 16:08:46 or whether actual work is commenced? Aug 10 16:10:31 cga: see you later! I need to relax a bit too, maybe sit on porch and have a cigar Aug 10 16:11:28 cga: I think you have a pretty good script going though...I'll have to check for updates! Aug 10 16:12:15 Short question: Is it okay if I connect to U-Boot via USB to change it's environment with setenv and save it with saveenv? Are there some important things..? Aug 10 16:12:39 jomat|away: have a look at the wiki Aug 10 16:20:08 is everyone experiencing the echo bug when the person you talk to hears a very loud echo of their own voice? Aug 10 16:20:42 confidential: I had it ... turning the MIC volume down on the FR to setting 1 (instead of 3) solved this for me Aug 10 16:22:43 Rigolo, where did u change that setting? alsamixer ? Aug 10 16:22:54 or perhaps the file Aug 10 16:23:00 in the config file directly yes Aug 10 16:23:05 where was that file ... hmm Aug 10 16:23:21 that is on the wiki ... some profile dir :-) Aug 10 16:23:22 10x anyways, got lots of complaints too and tried using alsamixer to fix it Aug 10 16:24:57 Rigolo, no idea what control.# it was, right? :) Aug 10 16:25:01 when I adjusted it with alsamixer it just turned itself back up afterwards... Aug 10 16:25:06 spdr__: MIC2 Aug 10 16:25:16 i have all control.number Aug 10 16:25:27 oh the iface Aug 10 16:25:32 one moment ... I will look on the wiki :-) Aug 10 16:25:40 Infoport, have a good rest =) thanks for all your support =) i would never had such a script by myself alone Aug 10 16:26:25 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Adjusting_the_Volume Aug 10 16:26:28 or perhaps after it :0 Aug 10 16:26:39 and then do not use value 3 .. but use value 1 .. Aug 10 16:28:26 any ideas when openembedded.net will be back online anyone? Aug 10 16:29:54 name 'Mic2 Capture Volume' Aug 10 16:29:55 value 0 Aug 10 16:30:01 is that supposed to be default ?? Aug 10 16:31:45 my mics are also at 0...:S Aug 10 16:32:06 lets try 1 anyways i guess Aug 10 16:32:17 or try turning the speaker volume down ? Aug 10 16:38:21 the statefile for normal phone use, is that gsmspeakerout.state ? Aug 10 16:40:04 /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state isnt it ? Aug 10 16:40:41 Tanuva, can you help? i still get no backup if there's a space in the dir path / name: http://rafb.net/p/YubVN417.html Aug 10 16:41:09 it creates the correct dir (or chose the one) but no files are saved Aug 10 16:41:24 do you know where I find om 07/22 ? Aug 10 16:46:04 see gee ehs! Aug 10 16:48:50 Hmm. My notes on the QTopia image tell me that I couldn't SSH into it. Anyone know where to find instructions for that? Aug 10 16:49:34 dingman: graphics should not have anything to do with basic networking? Aug 10 16:49:48 I mean the TrollTech image Aug 10 16:49:51 dingman: just plain ifconfig usb0 up etc.? Aug 10 16:50:16 yeah, my notes say I could get packets to it, but it rejected the SSH connection. Aug 10 16:50:29 Might mean that the TrollTech image doesn't run dropbear? Aug 10 16:50:33 cga Aug 10 16:50:39 dingman: better check with ps Aug 10 16:50:41 Dave, Aug 10 16:50:44 ps? Aug 10 16:50:44 :) Aug 10 16:50:51 dingman: ps Aug 10 16:51:01 ? Aug 10 16:51:03 dingman: /bin/ps Aug 10 16:51:14 /dev/cga Aug 10 16:51:23 /dev/nonsese Aug 10 16:51:30 Oh, notes also say there was no built-in terminal on the TrollTech image, which makes running ps kinda hard. Aug 10 16:51:31 /dev/nonsense Aug 10 16:51:36 :P Aug 10 16:52:10 http://rafb.net/p/YubVN417.html Dave , can you tell me why i still can get it to write in a dir if there a psace in the name? Aug 10 16:52:19 *space Aug 10 16:52:30 just asking here 'cause I figure it's a place where there are a bunch of people who probably tried that image. Aug 10 16:53:38 can't get it to write? Aug 10 16:53:48 why must there be a space in the name anyway? :P Aug 10 16:53:55 are you doing Free\ Runner or something? Aug 10 16:53:58 Dave, not if there's a space in the path. else yes Aug 10 16:54:01 yes Aug 10 16:54:15 Please call it Freerunner Aug 10 16:54:23 as that is the appropriate name Aug 10 16:54:31 plus taht fixes your problem :D Aug 10 16:54:46 yes true... but consider people having spaces in the path (not just Free Runner) Aug 10 16:54:53 heh Aug 10 16:54:54 true :P Aug 10 16:55:02 FINE, I'll look at it :P Aug 10 16:55:09 \0/ Aug 10 16:55:33 darn error -84! Aug 10 16:55:35 when booting from the SD card, how can I access the normal boot partition? Aug 10 16:55:44 is the rootfs 246,1MB ? Aug 10 16:55:59 so you're saying that mkdir fails? Aug 10 16:56:01 cga: np! now I can say I've gotten a new job as an open source programmer (unpaid, but why I wanted OM phone) :-D Aug 10 16:56:08 lol Aug 10 16:56:46 So when you do read -e BACKUP_DIR are you entering /some/path/to/Free\ Runner or something like that? Aug 10 16:56:48 Dave, no, check and mkdir work, it's only that dfu-util doesn't write in that dir Aug 10 16:56:55 o_O Aug 10 16:57:01 try it Aug 10 16:57:09 hey, how do I *properly* mount a jffs2 filesystem? I had a problem with the losetp method in the wiki-- cant check backup rootfs Aug 10 16:57:21 you DO notice that what you pasted has NOTHING to do with dfu-util... Aug 10 16:57:23 -_- Aug 10 16:57:37 Infoport, how big is your rootfs ? Aug 10 16:57:46 Dave, pasting the whole script Aug 10 16:57:49 THANKS Aug 10 16:57:53 -_- Aug 10 16:58:35 cga: it looked "right" -- 246.1M in fact! Aug 10 16:58:42 haha nice Aug 10 16:58:54 http://www.freepenguin.it/forum/index.php Aug 10 16:59:55 Dave, http://rafb.net/p/6CxvF917.html Aug 10 17:00:24 Dave, i start to struggle to think XD don't bash me please Aug 10 17:00:54 Why not, you are writing in bash, after all :P Aug 10 17:00:56 ZD Aug 10 17:00:57 XD Aug 10 17:01:29 lol Aug 10 17:02:01 how do I acces the rootfs partition when I booted from the SD card? Aug 10 17:02:27 confidential, you have to add a NAND boot in the bootloader i think Aug 10 17:02:33 check wiki Aug 10 17:02:57 ohps sorry Aug 10 17:02:59 i'm tired Aug 10 17:03:09 i don't know Aug 10 17:03:15 i tought you wanted multiboot Aug 10 17:03:28 no, that I already have:P Aug 10 17:03:38 good Aug 10 17:03:58 confidential: depends on how you put it there, and which uboot you have Aug 10 17:04:05 i'm willing to have it so too... but i'm stuck with a bash script and i took it personally XD Aug 10 17:04:39 :P Aug 10 17:05:22 Infoport: I followed the guidelines from the wiki page on Qtopia. And my uboot is just as it was when I got my phone... Aug 10 17:05:57 confidential: the newer uboot images can handle booting the kernel from ext2, and older ones can boot from FAT. Mine had a uboot option for microSD (FAT+ext2) already, but I added an entry for boot from micro SD (ext2+ext2) Aug 10 17:06:50 confidential: so you may already be set, depending on what boot option is there, and if you used a FAT partition for the kernel, or want to go straight-ext2 Aug 10 17:06:51 mine already had the fat+ext2 option Aug 10 17:07:09 !seen charlie137 Aug 10 17:07:11 charlie137 (n=charlie@firewall.tw.openmoko.org) was last seen quitting from #openmoko 2 days, 5 hours, 43 minutes ago stating ({"Leaving."}). Aug 10 17:07:53 does anyone know where ASU stores your contact database? Aug 10 17:08:23 confidential: then you can proceed with partition/format on SD of FAT, and then ext2, and uboot is set (unless you'd rather go just ext2) Aug 10 17:09:51 cga: you should consider the script bit I added to test where dfu-util resides -- then people won't have to edit it UNLESS they choose a 3rd location (not in path nor in current dir) which your script didn't have anyway Aug 10 17:10:25 cga: a 3rd unknown location couldn't be done without much more effort anyway Aug 10 17:10:27 Infoport, i'm looking at it right now but i can't think , i'm tired Aug 10 17:10:48 Infoport: but I don't see how this helps me access the rootfs partition in the phone... Aug 10 17:11:09 Infoport, i think that now i just install 2008.08 and Qtopia in the SD Aug 10 17:11:23 and let the script alone for now Aug 10 17:12:13 confidential: hmm... access it how? boot from it? or browse there when in "regular" boot? Aug 10 17:12:53 cga: expect more frustration (and happy solutions hopefully too) Aug 10 17:13:27 Infoport, it's not frustration at all... i'm only very tired, slept 4 hours this morning and starving Aug 10 17:13:39 Infoport: I am currently in Qtopia(which is on the SD card), and I want to access/browse the rootfs partition in the phone(where I have om2008.8) Aug 10 17:18:34 cga: I was supposed to go camping...but I slept 2 hours Thurs night and started again on 2008.8 on SD, then stayed up late Fri, got going Sat evening and here I am XD Aug 10 17:18:39 confidential: i've asked myself that same question, thre probably is a simple answer but i didn't find it Aug 10 17:18:59 Infoport, =) Aug 10 17:19:32 confidential: oh sorry...hmm... I think I may have seen when ssh'ed in...*thinking* Aug 10 17:20:48 Zorkmon :D Aug 10 17:23:36 Dove :p Aug 10 17:24:02 hey Dave, what's your lastname? Naaktgeboren? Stokvis? all those dutch people have funny last names :) Aug 10 17:24:20 * torindel yawns Aug 10 17:24:43 Infoport, Zorkman_: play with /dev/mtd* Aug 10 17:24:51 confidential: well, I can't find it now, maybe I imagined it during late night sessions Aug 10 17:25:02 can anyone tell me how I might raise some damn signal from my python code which changes something in the edje gui? >.< Aug 10 17:25:25 just dont delete anything on factory partition ;] Aug 10 17:26:11 thx torindel, i will look into it later Aug 10 17:26:19 torindel: any idea which one that is? Aug 10 17:27:40 Infoport: the one thats ext2 and have imei, bt mac address etc files ;] Aug 10 17:29:17 1.3.2-moko12 Aug 10 17:29:38 isnt that newer than 1.3.1 Aug 10 17:30:32 Tanuva: what do you mean 'raise a signal' ? Aug 10 17:31:02 linuxxr: you would think, but I went ahead and flashed uboot, and it definitely dives a later date (I think Aug 5 for mine) Aug 10 17:31:37 linuxxr: and I boot 2008.8 from kernel on ext2, so it seems to have the improvement Aug 10 17:32:43 torindel: argh, slush through them you mean? mmmm fun Aug 10 17:35:17 pjz: I want to get the playtime of a track displayed in the gui, so I need to get some signal that triggers the program that sets the appropriate playtime variable to the parameter of the program of the signal.... Oo Aug 10 17:35:45 so I get the playtime into the gui by transferring it per signal Aug 10 17:36:01 (at least that's how I understand the howtodothis) Aug 10 17:36:38 pjz: argh, we're having some lunch now, brb... maybe you can leave me a msg, I have a log Aug 10 17:37:07 Infoport, did get to check the rootfs ? Aug 10 17:38:34 * torindel just run into kill sd partition table in uboot Aug 10 17:38:35 i must be doing something wrong Aug 10 17:38:38 -___-; Aug 10 17:38:42 cga: haven't mounted those /dev/mtd* files to check em yet Aug 10 17:38:53 k Aug 10 17:41:06 Tanuva! Aug 10 17:41:29 Zorkman :P Aug 10 17:41:34 hahaha Aug 10 17:41:53 My alter identity is a secret! Aug 10 17:51:35 how do I get an usb keyboard to work with the fr? Aug 10 17:51:59 pendrives and stuff works, but I cant get any keyboard work... Aug 10 17:52:11 spydon: got kernel modules? Aug 10 17:52:21 torindel, nope Aug 10 17:53:24 torindel, where do I get them? Aug 10 18:04:13 ok, off for some rest and relaxation! later geeks and 'bots! Aug 10 18:09:43 hmm. Booting from the SD card on my Freerunner, I get nothing past a message saying "Warning: unable to open initial console" Aug 10 18:09:54 Is this by any chance a known idiot mistake? Aug 10 18:10:10 not that i have heard of, when do you get this message? Aug 10 18:10:20 after selecting your booting option in uboot? Aug 10 18:10:24 yes Aug 10 18:10:37 The kernel loads, many messages go by, and stop with that one. Aug 10 18:11:16 right after the one about mounting the root filesystem read-only. Aug 10 18:11:18 i have however noticed that when i formatted the partition and copied the kernel to the sd card withouth fist rebooting and remounting that partition sometimes erros occur... Aug 10 18:11:54 i would suggest you reboot your primary os, and reflash the kernel (and possible the rootfs also) this alays solved all my problems Aug 10 18:12:08 never learned what went wrong thoug... so your error could be entirely unrelated Aug 10 18:12:23 reflash? It shouldn't be using anything in the flash right now, though, right? Aug 10 18:12:48 kernel from /dev/mmcblk0p1 and rootfs from /dev/mmcblk0p2 Aug 10 18:13:00 nope, but i meant reflashing what you have on your SD card, not your main OS Aug 10 18:13:16 Ah, ok. Aug 10 18:13:19 i would at least reflash your kernel on mmcblk0p1 Aug 10 18:13:27 I can't mount the thing from the main OS. Aug 10 18:13:34 ?? why not? Aug 10 18:13:39 Doesn't even show up as a device node Aug 10 18:13:54 On my laptop, it works fine, so it seems to be a kernel issue on the main OS Aug 10 18:14:06 (is your uboot up to date btw?) Aug 10 18:14:07 since obviously uboot can see it. Aug 10 18:14:27 It's what came on the Freerunner. Aug 10 18:14:29 (i don't have a card reader so i always format everything on the freerunner itself) Aug 10 18:14:33 update it Aug 10 18:15:00 if you update it, you can use a kernel in a FAT32 partition and rootfs on ext2, withouth having to modify anything in your uboot Aug 10 18:15:16 seriously, you want to update that uboot if you are going dualboot:) Aug 10 18:15:19 That's exactly what I just did Aug 10 18:15:24 It already had the entry Aug 10 18:16:00 are you using the SD card that came with the phone? Aug 10 18:16:05 yes Aug 10 18:16:22 Mathias: I might know you :) Aug 10 18:16:57 dingman: is your kernel up to date? because the FR certainly has to be able to see the sd card with an up-to-date kernel and uboot Aug 10 18:17:31 yes. I opkg update and opkg upgrade at least daily Aug 10 18:18:21 dingman: if you fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 Aug 10 18:18:34 and then type "p" what do you get? Aug 10 18:18:38 first, /dev/mmcblk0 would have to exist Aug 10 18:18:51 huh, on this boot it does Aug 10 18:18:58 rebooted while we've been talking. Aug 10 18:19:18 looks just like it should Aug 10 18:20:00 though the partition ID for my FAT partition is 83. But that apparently didn't stop uboot from loading it. Aug 10 18:20:47 uboot can also use the kernel on the internal memory, but i thought you had to instruct it to do that... maybe they changed it in a way that it can detect if a kernel is present or not... Aug 10 18:21:18 It's there, on a fat32 partition, called uImage.bin. Aug 10 18:21:48 I can see it in /mnt/card now Aug 10 18:22:25 you can try and see if it wil boot this time, and otherwise i would recommend populating the SD card from the FR itself, not on your host machine Aug 10 18:22:52 What I would have done to start with if /dev/mmc* had existed on any previous boot Aug 10 18:23:12 sorry, I can't explain that one... Aug 10 18:23:36 (but then again, I'm fairly new to this all *understatement* so maybe someone else can clarify that one :)) Aug 10 18:23:40 Not really expecting you to Aug 10 18:24:07 Unless it's specific to the embedded world, I ought to be able to work out what's wrong with just about any Linux system Aug 10 18:24:33 I work for RHT after all. Aug 10 18:24:51 And they didn't hire me for my looks. Aug 10 18:24:51 hi all Aug 10 18:24:54 Mathiasdm: might I enquire if you are a student or an employee at Ugent? Aug 10 18:24:57 hi mmaestri Aug 10 18:25:17 Mathiasdm: might I enquire if you are a student or an employee at Ugent? Aug 10 18:25:18 :o Aug 10 18:25:22 I am a student there Aug 10 18:25:24 :) Aug 10 18:25:26 me too :p Aug 10 18:25:31 seems that i'm bound to mess it up... Aug 10 18:25:34 hmm, pretty obvious from my hostname, of course :) Aug 10 18:25:38 jup :) Aug 10 18:25:48 what do you do? and what do you do here? :) Aug 10 18:26:03 I'm here because I like messing up my freerunner :) Aug 10 18:26:09 x server broken, dropbear doesn't seem to work Aug 10 18:26:29 mmaestri: cursing a lot seems to do the trick when my phone does that :) Aug 10 18:26:45 believe me, i did it... Aug 10 18:26:45 Zorkman: my NAND uboot is "U-Boot 1.3.2-rc2.dirty-moko12" from April 2. Any idea if that's new enough? Aug 10 18:26:54 no it is not Aug 10 18:27:03 flash that dirty-moko :) Aug 10 18:27:23 i think ext2 support was added somewhere half july Aug 10 18:27:36 Mathiasdm: do you also have a FR or just interested? Aug 10 18:28:25 just interested Aug 10 18:28:31 how do you like your freerunner? Aug 10 18:28:54 jup, very much Aug 10 18:28:57 Zorkman: bootloader doesn't have to understand how to read the rootfs. That's the kernel's job Aug 10 18:28:59 oh, and out of curiosity: what do you study at ugent? Aug 10 18:29:26 burgerlijk ingenieur, werktuigkunde elektrotechniek, optie bedrijfskunde Aug 10 18:29:35 hah Aug 10 18:29:38 :-) Aug 10 18:29:52 burgerlijk ingenieur as well for me :) computer science though Aug 10 18:30:01 dingman: must be mistaken then.. it had to do *something* with dualboot though... Aug 10 18:30:15 That's why you can put /boot on an ext2/3 partition and / on something funky like a logical volume inside an encrypted virtual disk backed by software RAID on a normal Linux system :) Aug 10 18:30:28 * Zorkman is learning Aug 10 18:30:50 Glad to help Aug 10 18:30:55 * dingman is a teacher Aug 10 18:31:14 and obviously has some stuff to learn, too! Aug 10 18:31:33 dingman: but why do we have to specify to uboot what format the rootfs is in? Aug 10 18:31:50 It has to tell the kernel where to find it. Aug 10 18:31:54 the uboot entry has a "fatload" and an ext2load command in it Aug 10 18:32:02 aha Aug 10 18:32:07 I think that's for loading the kernel itself Aug 10 18:32:24 (ext2load or ext3load is for rootfs though- Aug 10 18:32:25 fatload can load a uImage (the compressed kernel) Aug 10 18:32:33 I'm not terribly familiar with uboot - it's not something you'd run on a desktop or server system. Aug 10 18:32:49 yeah i know Mathiasdm, but it also specifies what format the rootfs is in apparently Aug 10 18:33:10 and i think there was a problem with the old uboot that it did not standard supporterd ext2, you had to edit it Aug 10 18:33:10 ah yes Aug 10 18:33:35 * Zorkman hates the setenv commands and anything that looks like "screen" Aug 10 18:34:12 screen rox Aug 10 18:34:24 i wouldn't know, i always run away :d Aug 10 18:34:59 * pjz has been using screen for... mm.. 15 yrs ? Aug 10 18:35:20 * Zorkman has only been using linux for a month :D Aug 10 18:35:49 well, except when i had to cheat with an online game or two, then i've used linux also, but that does not really count :) Aug 10 18:35:55 * pjz has like a dozen years or so of linux Aug 10 18:36:07 Zorkman: ah, one of the EQ map sniffers? Aug 10 18:36:57 nope, pjz, it was a simple auto-click script, that then compared some photo's that represented prizes with prizes i had already marked as not necesarry Aug 10 18:37:41 and even then it was with the help of a friend who had experience with linux :) Aug 10 18:39:08 Zorkman: Grab F9 and play. It's not as hard as it was when I was in college :) Aug 10 18:39:18 Can one send SMS with any of the distros yet? Aug 10 18:39:36 Yashy, earlier this week I could send SMS with *all* of them Aug 10 18:39:51 well, except FSO. I couldn't make that do anything. Aug 10 18:39:57 but you can't now? Aug 10 18:40:16 Right now, openmoko-messages2 in b0rken. It's probably fine in the Qtopia builds, though. Aug 10 18:41:21 Since they use a different SMS program, the breakage in openmoko-messages2 shouldn't be an issue. Aug 10 18:42:52 :) Aug 10 18:42:54 dingman: well i can send sms with fso ;p Aug 10 18:43:03 * mmaestri has x broken and cannot ssh the phone via usb to fix it. And is wondering if anyone can help :p Aug 10 18:43:08 Made any exciting progress zorkman? Aug 10 18:43:18 dingman: let me guess even dialler didnt open for you? Aug 10 18:43:33 torindel, Then that makes everything I know of that doesn't use openmoko-messages Aug 10 18:43:34 mmaestri: flash it? Aug 10 18:43:41 torindel, yes Aug 10 18:44:02 dingman: get current fso Aug 10 18:44:08 Yashy: i was expecting something less windowish than that Aug 10 18:44:20 or just update framework Aug 10 18:44:24 everything in fso works for me, except ussd (which is soon to be implemented), dtmf (which there is a patch for i haven't applied), new sms notification... and that's about it Aug 10 18:44:25 Yashy: perhaps it's the only way Aug 10 18:44:38 oh, and a call log, and the ability to see what time an sms was received/sent Aug 10 18:44:49 torindel, there's newer than milestone2? Aug 10 18:44:59 dingman: daily builds Aug 10 18:45:11 which daily image name corresponds to FSO? Aug 10 18:45:21 torindel: where can i find fso daily builds? Aug 10 18:45:47 dingman, mmaestri: for ex http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973 Aug 10 18:46:18 so not on buildhost, then? Aug 10 18:46:42 nope on build host are only milestones Aug 10 18:46:59 OK, that explains why I didn't see anything but milestones to try. Aug 10 18:47:16 torindel: it's fine by me, i was looking for it Aug 10 18:47:21 the next daily should be interesting Aug 10 18:47:34 trac says it will have ussd support Aug 10 18:47:34 torindel: do you know which repos are fail safe for fso? Aug 10 18:48:06 mmaestri: check that site it got packages too Aug 10 18:48:19 openembedded-build/glibc/ipk/armv4t Aug 10 18:50:16 plus you can always setup your own build enviroment too Aug 10 18:51:09 Infoport, i've done it!!!!! Aug 10 18:51:22 now it checks for dfu-util Aug 10 18:51:25 correctly! Aug 10 18:51:28 torindel, I'll probably get to that point, but not 'till late next week. Maybe Friday when I'm bored to death while my students sweat it out over an exam. Aug 10 18:53:36 ;] Aug 10 18:54:05 teaching is so much more fun than testing the students... Aug 10 18:54:45 dingman: i hope you have some evil test questions Aug 10 18:55:15 use vocabulary that is ambiguous, or beyond the comprehension of your students (eg, bombastic words, or ones that are seen as archaic Aug 10 18:55:28 ieatlint, I don't design the exams. Aug 10 18:55:35 This week, it's RHCT. Aug 10 18:55:39 Next week, RHCE. Aug 10 18:55:41 ah Aug 10 18:55:46 i took the rhce Aug 10 18:55:57 Who from? Aug 10 18:56:08 some guy in san francisco Aug 10 18:56:27 Hmm. I don't know many of the San Francisco folks. Aug 10 18:56:36 this was 5 years ago, too Aug 10 18:56:52 although the guy had just moved to the area from brooklyn, where he was doing the same thing Aug 10 18:56:56 torindel: i have same uboot since the phone came in. do you recommend to the latest version on that site? Aug 10 18:56:58 I haven't been around that long, but a lot of the instructors have. Aug 10 18:57:49 mmaestri: generally yes since it allows you to boot from ext2 on sd, just beware of bugs from time to time Aug 10 18:57:52 well, good fun.. i passed it and never found a use for it :P Aug 10 18:59:32 Zorkman, same results with u-boot from yesterday Aug 10 18:59:49 Is there a -HUP for ifup? If I ifdown my usb0 I'll lock myself out without the opportunity to ifup usb0 Aug 10 19:00:08 Yashy: "ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0" Aug 10 19:00:16 er, do that with usb0 Aug 10 19:00:22 ;] Aug 10 19:00:52 You're still SOL if the new configuration isn't a good one, though. Aug 10 19:00:53 ieatlint: tentacool :p Aug 10 19:01:28 Doh I was doing ifdown usb0 && ifup usb0 instead of ; Aug 10 19:01:48 Yashy: that should work, too Aug 10 19:01:48 oops? :p Aug 10 19:01:53 At least, it would in bash Aug 10 19:01:56 silliness Aug 10 19:02:20 Zorkman, did you ever find out anything about keypresses or keyboard emulation? :) Aug 10 19:02:41 && only goes to next when first completes successfully, where ; runs second regardless. ; is better in this case Aug 10 19:03:05 true Aug 10 19:03:19 but what do you have in place that could make ifdown fail? Aug 10 19:03:26 Dave: what's up? Aug 10 19:03:30 Hey Tanuva :) Aug 10 19:03:37 hey dave Aug 10 19:03:37 I don't know, hunting germans :P Aug 10 19:03:37 whatever it is likely interferes with ifup as well... Aug 10 19:03:41 Howdy ya'll Aug 10 19:03:49 Dave: they don't like that Aug 10 19:03:58 ding: after the down my connection drops, so doesn't get to the next. ; works Aug 10 19:04:00 hey... Aug 10 19:04:03 Dave: ah Aug 10 19:04:28 Yashy: the && will execute as well, actually Aug 10 19:04:30 ;p Aug 10 19:04:46 retracile! Aug 10 19:04:46 if it didn't work, it's because ifdown failed (or perhaps doesn't return 0 on success?) Aug 10 19:04:49 It's a party! \o/ Aug 10 19:04:51 Dave! Aug 10 19:04:57 Huzzah! Aug 10 19:05:03 Dave: Where?! Aug 10 19:05:11 ieatlint, Ug. If that's so, someone should file a bug! Aug 10 19:05:18 * Dave nominates lint's place! Aug 10 19:05:32 hah... i'll test it later in a serial console Aug 10 19:05:35 system scripts that don't return correct success/failure values are a pet pieve of mine. Aug 10 19:05:51 or i suppose i could just vi the script Aug 10 19:06:59 ieatlint: I'm about to hit the road and in the midst of flashing back to a TrollTech Qtopia image in the hopes of working bluetooth for the drive or I'd do it myself. Aug 10 19:07:12 goodluck with that Aug 10 19:07:29 last i heard bt headset wasn't yet working Aug 10 19:07:41 If it doesn't work, I'll stick the SIM back in my Treo for the week. Aug 10 19:07:55 ok, ifdown is busybox Aug 10 19:08:09 no way busybox reports fail/success incorrectly Aug 10 19:08:11 ieatlint, was that from the TrollTech images or the opemoko ones Aug 10 19:08:26 pjz: any idea about my problem? :) Aug 10 19:08:30 dingman: both Aug 10 19:08:52 it was some crazy long thing about how the bt module is connected to the wolfson codec such that the bt module needs to be specially configured or something Aug 10 19:08:55 busybox does ifup/down? how odd. It differs between distros. Aug 10 19:09:03 but things may have changed Aug 10 19:09:25 well, i was going to connect up the serial console onto one of my phones, i'll verify the return value when i do Aug 10 19:09:29 dingman: busybox can have every functionality it has (pretty much) eneabled or disabled Aug 10 19:09:32 The latest TrollTech QTopia image is pretty old, so that's unlikely to have changed in it lately. Aug 10 19:09:45 the latest qtopia image is august 8 Aug 10 19:10:20 I thought 4.3.2 was latest? Aug 10 19:10:47 4.3.2-080808 Aug 10 19:10:51 so yeah, it is... Aug 10 19:11:08 but the one before that was 072208 Aug 10 19:12:12 crud, I totally missed the new section on that page. Aug 10 19:12:21 Thanks for pointing it out to me, though! Aug 10 19:13:04 http://pastebin.com/m442f3cdd my ifup doesn't seem to be functioning properly :( Aug 10 19:13:38 Yashy: your gateway is on a different subnet Aug 10 19:14:01 ouch Aug 10 19:14:16 unless there's also an explicit route... Aug 10 19:15:17 yeah, the .1.* network is eth0 on my desktop Aug 10 19:15:31 did you setup iptables to masq? Aug 10 19:15:37 should I add network 192.168.1.0 as well to interfaces? Aug 10 19:16:02 yeah up iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j SNAT --to-source 192.168.1.25 & Aug 10 19:16:34 then your gateway is 192.168.0.200 (assuming this is the usb0 ip on your desktop) Aug 10 19:16:43 but it's the resolv.conf entry that didn't change in my pastebin Aug 10 19:17:59 it might be erroring out once you try to set a gateway that it can't talk to Aug 10 19:19:07 What script are we all talking about here? Aug 10 19:19:15 What are you people going on about? :) Aug 10 19:20:17 ieatlint: doh, thanks Aug 10 19:20:51 Dave: yashy trying to get ip masq over the usb interface Aug 10 19:21:04 How can I be totally sure that my FreeRunner is charging over USB? Aug 10 19:21:21 oh! Aug 10 19:21:27 not working for him? Aug 10 19:21:31 It's attached to USB, but when I turn it on into uBoot, it turns off after a few seconds. Aug 10 19:21:51 paulproteus: get charger and leave it for 5mins Aug 10 19:22:04 and check if it'll turn off in uboot Aug 10 19:22:59 torindel, Seems I only have a Motorola-brand USB power charger thing, and I left my OpenMoko brand one somewhere else. |: Aug 10 19:23:31 does the phone even charge in uboot? Aug 10 19:23:32 engage! Aug 10 19:24:02 Is plugging it into my laptop's USB adequate for those five minutes? Aug 10 19:24:12 paulproteus: most likely, the phone will only draw 100mA from that charger then -- which is not enough to power the phone, let alone charge it Aug 10 19:24:15 yes Aug 10 19:24:17 DOes anyone know how one can get their application added to the "official" list of available packages shown on the 2008.8 installer? Aug 10 19:24:32 ieatlint, Right, and for some reason uBoot doesn't seem to have a "enable fast charge" option. Aug 10 19:24:36 Hmm. Aug 10 19:24:47 yeah, i'm not sure the phone charges in uboot at all Aug 10 19:25:28 paulproteus: just leave it off connected to pc then Aug 10 19:25:35 * paulproteus nods Aug 10 19:25:42 * paulproteus waits for a while patiently Aug 10 19:26:25 ieatlint: it does if you give it enough power ;] Aug 10 19:26:48 but some usb ports doesnt Aug 10 19:27:33 the freerunner battery only charges after booting into linux Aug 10 19:27:34 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_Battery Aug 10 19:27:52 you know what would be a good idea.. is to create a little dongle... mini usb in (female), mini usb out (male), and put the 47k ohm resistor in the dongle, so whenever you use it, the phone just pulls 1A Aug 10 19:28:19 pwerken: well, one of the things they were working on was enabling charging in uboot, i'm just not sure if they got it yet Aug 10 19:28:26 the wiki can be woefully outdated on such things.. Aug 10 19:30:01 Yep yep! Aug 10 19:30:07 Scary Aug 10 19:37:25 Anyone emulated with qemu under Arch? Aug 10 19:37:56 cga: (and others trying to do backups with dfu-util -U) take a look at bug #676. Aug 10 19:38:38 o_O Aug 10 19:39:21 * torindel just found li-polimer 3.7V 2600mAh battery that would work in moko for 9.25$ Aug 10 19:39:37 and thats 3 times larger than stock battery Aug 10 19:47:33 gps was /dev/ttySAC1 ? or /dev/ttySAC2? Aug 10 19:48:08 torindel: that may be nice... if it doesn't break your phone ^^ Aug 10 19:48:17 moko moko moko Aug 10 19:49:00 SAC1 mmaestri Aug 10 19:49:14 Dave: nom nom nom... ;D Aug 10 19:49:16 thx Zorkman Aug 10 19:49:21 np Aug 10 19:49:38 mmontour, ok thanks Aug 10 19:50:51 :p Aug 10 19:56:23 * Rigolo is still wrestling with resolvconf in 2k8.8 Aug 10 20:01:34 woot Aug 10 20:02:23 nite all Aug 10 20:03:25 tuXXX: well we can always buy some cheapest nokia and test it for week or so ;D Aug 10 20:05:09 aww, heh :p Aug 10 20:06:58 hi can anyone direct me on how to implement kinetic scrolling in my program? Aug 10 20:07:52 kinetic scrolling? you mean when I tilt the FR it scrolls? (does that work?) Aug 10 20:08:40 Rigolo: sorry kinematic scrolling. like when u use ur fingers and the icons move up and down Aug 10 20:08:47 on the main menu Aug 10 20:09:41 grawr Aug 10 20:09:44 Rigolo, cool feature idea, but I bet it would be hell to use. Aug 10 20:10:23 Rigolo: it's already been implemented on the main menu. i just don't understand the algorithm behind it Aug 10 20:11:40 zorkman, ben je wakker? Aug 10 20:11:48 dingman: well, I think it will not catch on :-) Aug 10 20:11:53 dingman: vast niet :-) Aug 10 20:12:06 Dave: I was meaning dave offcourse :-) Aug 10 20:12:09 :o Aug 10 20:12:42 onmogelijk! Aug 10 20:12:51 so does everybody just override /etc/resolv.conf? or are there people actually using resolvconf on the om2k8.8? Aug 10 20:12:51 trupheenix, I understand what you're after, but short of grabbing the source code and searching, I can't help you. Aug 10 20:12:52 * Dave por zorkman Aug 10 20:12:56 :\ Aug 10 20:13:17 rigolo, niemand :D Aug 10 20:13:39 Dave: I guess not many people do ... Aug 10 20:13:50 * Rigolo does not want to "break" a package :-) Aug 10 20:13:52 nup Aug 10 20:13:55 hehe :P Aug 10 20:14:11 goed idee Aug 10 20:14:46 dingman: ok Aug 10 20:14:49 how do you turn the FR off in OM2k8.8? power button turns on suspend? only via shell? Aug 10 20:15:31 Rigolo :x Aug 10 20:15:35 Rigolo: hold down the power button Aug 10 20:15:36 * trupheenix 's cat just jumped into the house Aug 10 20:15:46 SURPRISECAT! Aug 10 20:16:30 Elleo: mmmm weird .. that did not work before ... well, let's reboot and see if resolvconf does what it is supposed to do :-) Aug 10 20:16:57 or not Aug 10 20:16:59 :P Aug 10 20:22:12 oo great ... no terminal program in stock om2008.8 (or do I miss something) Aug 10 20:22:33 so how can i check (before I plug in the usb) what network interfaces are setup :-) Aug 10 20:22:44 sigh .... Aug 10 20:23:17 serial connexion? Aug 10 20:23:54 well ... that would involve plugging in the usb :-) .. but it could work I guess ... bootmenu, set serial to sub .. and then boot Aug 10 20:23:57 mmmm Aug 10 20:24:16 owell ... just plugged in the usb .. and resolv.conf is still not written ... ggggrrrrrr Aug 10 20:25:26 Rigolo, does the "echo" line exist in your /etc/network/interfaces files on the moko? Aug 10 20:25:51 dingman: no ... there should be no need for that with resolvconf ... Aug 10 20:25:58 well, no. Aug 10 20:25:59 here is my usb0 section: Aug 10 20:26:06 iface usb0 inet static address 192.168.0.202 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.0.0 gateway 192.168.0.200 dns-search home.com dns-nameservers 10.0.0.1 Aug 10 20:26:25 those last 2 entries should be picked up ... Aug 10 20:26:33 But my personal experience with resolvconf is that is sucks eggs and is responsible for more resolution problems than fixes... Aug 10 20:27:01 dingman: well, then why the hell did they included it ... Aug 10 20:27:07 Not that I've tried it on my Freerunner yet. Aug 10 20:27:15 * dingman shrugs Aug 10 20:27:19 (well .. I guess because it could be very usefull ) Aug 10 20:27:29 if it worked reliably, yup :) Aug 10 20:27:29 dingman: it is standard on the 2k8.8 image Aug 10 20:31:35 When writing an sms with the new keyboard, I don't understand how to backspace, anyone know? Aug 10 20:31:54 move your finger from right to left Aug 10 20:31:59 Ahh Aug 10 20:32:06 Thanks Aug 10 20:32:20 it's on the wiki ... Aug 10 20:32:40 moo Aug 10 20:33:43 what is the size for the wallpaper on freerunner? Aug 10 20:34:00 640x480 ... screen resolution i guess Aug 10 20:34:18 or 480x640 in landscape mode :-) Aug 10 20:34:30 bah Aug 10 20:34:32 or 320x240 if you like apple backgrounds Aug 10 20:34:57 root@om-gta02:~# opkg update Aug 10 20:34:57 Collected errors: * Could not obtain administrative lock Aug 10 20:35:03 mmm great .... Aug 10 20:35:08 what the hell is this again? Aug 10 20:35:19 Rigolo: google for it :) Aug 10 20:35:30 lindi-: must be on the wiki then :-) Aug 10 20:36:50 lindi-: mmm I'm starting to get the feeling that 8.8 is still a "beta" release :-) Aug 10 20:37:00 Rigolo: no idea, i have not managed to compile it Aug 10 20:37:15 lindi-: well ... that comfirms it :-) Aug 10 20:37:23 Rigolo: it IS Aug 10 20:37:34 rather alpha Aug 10 20:37:37 Beta? I hardly think so; it seems more like a development snapshot and not even what most would consider alpha quality. Aug 10 20:38:15 Tanuva: I think it behaves less usable than om2007.2 was before I flased 8.8 Aug 10 20:38:55 Rigolo: I haven't used both stacks for more than 60mins, but 7.2 seemed much more usable, yes. :) Aug 10 20:39:15 Tanuva: so what are you using then? Aug 10 20:39:17 It's far less usable than any other image at the moment. Much promise, but frankly I've stopped work on it as there's too little that functions to be useful. Aug 10 20:39:20 especially since 8.8 went to suspend right after showing me the home screen before I could prevent it from doing so. Aug 10 20:39:32 Rigolo: FSO snapshots built by alphaone Aug 10 20:39:45 Tanuva: well, that suspend issue was funny :-) Aug 10 20:39:51 Yeah, the suspend is fixable, but if you do that you end up with the "white screen of death" Aug 10 20:40:05 So the only usable option is to disable suspend altogether. Aug 10 20:40:11 Tanuva: and how usable is that as a daily phone? Aug 10 20:40:13 But then the GSM doesn't work. Aug 10 20:40:19 I wouldn't call it funny... I was quite offended because I expected a much more usable image from what will described Aug 10 20:40:46 * Rigolo has a duo sim so I can have 2 phones .. one "always working" ancient nokia .. and the FR to "play" Aug 10 20:41:11 I'm not sure why this was called a 'Release' other than the fact the release date past. Oh well Aug 10 20:41:14 Tanuva: well, that is true ... people were/are expecting something more than what it is right now ... Aug 10 20:41:18 * safiiru takes his sim card out of the FR again. Aug 10 20:41:20 Rigolo: it runs fairly stable, but the sound quality while calling isnt too good Aug 10 20:41:33 Rigolo: same here with the 2 phones Aug 10 20:41:33 Tanuva: worse then 7.2? Aug 10 20:41:48 Rigolo: I havent done a single call using 7.2 Aug 10 20:42:15 * Rigolo has the added advantage that he works for a mobile phone company ... so no extra costs etc to get a duo sim Aug 10 20:42:31 hehe Aug 10 20:42:51 * Rigolo made some 30min + calls on the 7.2 .. no issues after adjusting the mic2 setting to 1 instead of 3 as recommended on the wiki Aug 10 20:43:35 hm, I might try that, too Aug 10 20:43:40 mmmm looks like there were no updates to any package on 8.8? or does the installer apply those automatically? Aug 10 20:44:05 Tanuva: with 3 people were complaining about echo's Aug 10 20:44:23 dunno about 8.8 updates... Aug 10 20:44:25 I was adjsuting alsamixer while on the phone .. so I could get immediate feedback Aug 10 20:45:07 hmm... I should try that, wouldn't even cost anything :D Aug 10 20:45:32 if they call you it doesn't :-) Aug 10 20:46:04 even if I call it doesn't - I got a second sim from my father's contract so I can call him for nothing :D Aug 10 20:48:20 mwester: so what are you working on these days? still on 7.2? or FSO now? Aug 10 20:48:50 The past days have been on 2008.8 -- not good. Aug 10 20:49:34 * Tanuva notices a missing thorough introduction into edje/evas/... Aug 10 20:49:34 mwester: are the kernels different between those versions? (7.2/8.8/FSO etc?) Aug 10 20:49:54 And recent emails seem to indicate that the work to fix some of the kernel issues is moving to 2.6.26 or even 2.6.27, so that makes it difficult to justify spending a lot of time trying to find out what's going on with suspend on 2008.8. Aug 10 20:50:17 rigolo: the wiki states we have to change it to 3 Aug 10 20:50:31 did you set it at 3 or at 1? (mic2 value) Aug 10 20:50:38 Rigolo: Yes, the kernels are different, but that doesn't seem to be the issue; it seems that 2008.8 tickles the glamo in ways that trigger an existing bug that doesn't happen quite so often on the other images. Aug 10 20:50:43 mwester: are these moko specific? or general kernel issues? Aug 10 20:50:49 moko Aug 10 20:51:03 Er, let me rephrase that Aug 10 20:51:13 Rigolo: what mic setting did you mean? set "Mic" to "Mic 1"? Aug 10 20:51:17 Zorkman: I changed it to 1 on a 7.2 image and people hear no echo Aug 10 20:51:20 MIC2 Aug 10 20:51:32 hmm Aug 10 20:52:15 It's all rather complicated. Fundamentally the problem is that the Linux kernel has no good concept of ordering of the suspend/resume drivers. It's an issue specific to the GTA02 because of the way the hardware is connected; if it lets Linux do it the way it wants to, we lose some of the hardware we need to finish suspend. Aug 10 20:52:24 I just have "Mic" switchable from "Mic 1" to ...2 and ...3 Aug 10 20:52:25 mwester: I only hear people complaining about that glamo chip .... is it so bad? Aug 10 20:52:32 That's only part of the problem. Aug 10 20:52:44 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * r051f46517474 10/pyascenario/ (8 files): add pyascenario skeleton Aug 10 20:52:46 The PMU chip is also an issue in this. Aug 10 20:53:23 I rather suspect that the columb counter in the battery adds its own mess to the kernel too; as it seems to stop working over time. Aug 10 20:53:52 mwester: okee, so when you suspend you want to leave enough hardware running to finish your suspend script .. and default linux suspends some crucial hardware too soon right? Aug 10 20:54:15 The "hack" done in 2.6.24 are not doing the job, so I think a general solution to the ordering problem needs to be done (I think that's what OM is working on), something that can be pushed up into the kernel for future releases. That'll take time, though. Aug 10 20:55:01 mwester: I guess it does .. because that fix would effect everyone on linux .. not just moko Aug 10 20:55:24 It's lower than the suspend script. Consider that if the glamo is shut down, you lose the ability to talk to the wifi or SD card -- and if you shut down other drivers, you may lose the ability to finish shutdown, as the comms to the PMU chip may be gone... :( Aug 10 20:55:30 (or we need moko specific kernel patches that should be maintained and kept insync with the mainstream) Aug 10 20:55:39 rigolo: and do people hear you loud enough? because that was the problem i used to have Aug 10 20:55:58 Zorkman: they did not complain... but maybe I talk loud :-) Aug 10 20:56:05 ok, thanks Aug 10 20:56:41 mwester: but do you think it should be solved in the kernel? or in the way the hardware is attached to each other in the moko? Aug 10 20:57:10 It can be solved in the kernel -- it's just a matter of how much effort it may take. Aug 10 20:57:55 How can I make the keyboard appear whenever I want again? Is there a FAQ or something should be reading on the wiki? Aug 10 20:58:02 Erm.. Aug 10 20:58:18 What kinda picture format can QTopia recognize? I'm trying to change my background image. Aug 10 20:58:31 mwester: okee ... but it also means that untill these things are solved suspend will be an issue in general for the moko? that does not sounds good Aug 10 20:59:28 safiiru: qwerty button ?? look at the keyboard page on the wiki (check what version your run om2008.08 has it's own page) Aug 10 21:00:39 Yeah there used to be a querty button on the august5th release I was running before. Aug 10 21:01:00 august 8th doesn't have that, for instance I installed xterm and can't type into it. Aug 10 21:01:23 Suspend actually works most of the time, IFF one suspends all the way down. It will abort the suspend once. After an aborted suspend, it will fail when it suspends again. And randomly even if suspends are never aborted, it will resume to the white screen. So it works on some images in some modes... people will have to see if what they get is acceptable. Aug 10 21:01:28 safiiru: well, look on the wiki .... or go back to a 2007.02 build :-) Aug 10 21:01:45 I'm basically asking where to look on the wiki :) Aug 10 21:02:04 mwester: fsom1 suspended fine for me, even multiple times. m2 doesn't suspend at all anymore Aug 10 21:02:36 safiiru: try typing the word keyboard into the search box on the wiki .. and see what happens Aug 10 21:03:13 mm I think that was too difficult for Safiiru :-) Aug 10 21:03:31 the immense traffic from the wiki killed the irc connection Aug 10 21:03:53 mmmm flooding oyur irc connection with wget :-) Aug 10 21:04:00 Tanuva: it does but only first time ;] Aug 10 21:04:11 :D Aug 10 21:04:23 `make fso-image` fails everytime on "something e17 related" and also everytime doanloads something e17 related from CVS. Somehow I do not believe I ever have a consistent E17 env to compile, so the MokoMakefile will fail forever. now what, wait until e17 stops using CVS? Aug 10 21:04:37 later suspend dont work at all on fsom2 Aug 10 21:05:08 torindel: m2 doesn't suspend at all for me, not even the first time Aug 10 21:05:13 m1 always did IIRC Aug 10 21:05:35 Tanuva: after molesting power button you can force it to do it once Aug 10 21:05:58 hmm, what kind of sensor does the freerunner screen use? Aug 10 21:06:05 torindel: *g* Aug 10 21:06:14 t_s_o: resistive touchscreen Aug 10 21:06:19 Tanuva: (try holding power button, releasing it and pushing again) Aug 10 21:06:22 t_s_o: not multitouch Aug 10 21:06:43 so which 2007 image is the best? Aug 10 21:06:46 t_s_o: but it's as sensitive as a capacitive one imho Aug 10 21:06:54 20070424? Aug 10 21:06:57 how can I change back to previous theme in qtopia from ssh? pin dialog seems to be bugged... Aug 10 21:07:09 after couple of tryies it can suspend, but as i said only once Aug 10 21:07:16 20070722/ Aug 10 21:07:19 linuxxee: I would pick one of the august ones .. from buildhost Aug 10 21:07:48 Kero: e17 won't stop using CVS Aug 10 21:08:05 Kero: they discussed this before Aug 10 21:08:12 august 2007? Aug 10 21:08:33 20080806? Aug 10 21:09:02 CVirus: to repeat the Q just before the rhtoric answer: "now what?" Aug 10 21:09:36 no clue Aug 10 21:09:46 Hello Virus and Speedu Aug 10 21:10:05 Dave: use nickname completion Aug 10 21:10:06 the Zorkman, too Aug 10 21:10:13 d Aug 10 21:10:15 Virus, what's that? Aug 10 21:10:18 Hrm.. Does anyone know where the Background image is stored on QTopia? Or how to use an image from your SD card as a background? Aug 10 21:10:25 :P Aug 10 21:10:25 linuxxee: you could .. no idea if that one is working Aug 10 21:10:36 linuxxee: just try .. and see what is happening Aug 10 21:10:43 which do u suggest? Aug 10 21:10:44 rigololololol Aug 10 21:11:24 linuxxee: they one you like .. otherwise you blame me if it breaks ... Aug 10 21:11:37 and when it does .. .flash an earlier version ... Aug 10 21:11:37 heh Aug 10 21:13:15 lol Aug 10 21:13:18 na Aug 10 21:13:46 Oo, nevermind. I just put the file in the Documents folder. ;D Aug 10 21:17:40 * Rigolo is leaving .. have fun ... Aug 10 21:17:44 talk to you all later Aug 10 21:17:53 how can I change the theme in qtopia from ssh? Aug 10 21:18:37 CVirus: do you know if there are python api docs available on the web somewhere? Aug 10 21:20:42 dir(object) was what I was looking for earlier on btw Aug 10 21:20:57 hmm, this wasn't the python channel. sorry :) Aug 10 21:21:44 docs.python.org Aug 10 21:21:48 :P Aug 10 21:22:16 plus good... a search like "python os object" Aug 10 21:23:18 ieatlint: it doesn't cover/include etk stuff Aug 10 21:23:37 well, then what you want is an etk api doc Aug 10 21:23:41 hmm, I guess I left that part out! :) Aug 10 21:29:47 heh, i got a yahoo bottle opener from a linux event... damn thing works as well as yahoo... Aug 10 21:29:54 you get the bottle open, but it takes 5-6 tries Aug 10 21:31:24 lighter ftw Aug 10 21:37:04 i got halfway through ordering a pizza last night on 2007.2 and my ear hung up on them. it was sad. Aug 10 21:37:42 file a bug report Aug 10 21:37:47 "hangs up whilst ordering pizza" Aug 10 21:37:50 hah Aug 10 21:38:09 priortiy: severe Aug 10 21:38:16 hehe Aug 10 21:39:08 geeks would starve if we could order pizza... Aug 10 21:39:17 imagine having to actually go outside.. thank god they come to the door Aug 10 21:40:10 could just eat the lint in your belly button :-P Aug 10 21:40:32 yeah, i was saying to a friend last night, if only the entire pizza ordering menu interface would work on the OM not even a phone call would be needed -- and i would be in even worse shape than i am already Aug 10 21:40:56 haha, yeah... how long before they support that? Aug 10 21:41:13 charging a pizza to your phone and ordering through some non-voice system Aug 10 21:41:26 sounds like someone could write an app.. tie in the gps and all Aug 10 21:41:53 alot places do take web orders for pizza delivery.. Aug 10 21:42:10 not the good places :( Aug 10 21:43:33 i suppose - yeah. that'd be pretty dope. you could take the pizzahut.com ordering system and make a separate ordering system out of it. for the good local places, maybe menu templates added by users and selections that result in an automated phone call "Hello. This is an automated order... Press 1 to acknowledge receipt of this order in full" Aug 10 21:43:35 * trix smirks Aug 10 21:44:21 i was thinking more of the systems that let you buy from vending machines using your phone Aug 10 21:44:26 or pay parking meters Aug 10 21:44:43 here in belgium we can pay for parking space by phone (sms) Aug 10 21:44:53 yeah, in sf too Aug 10 21:44:59 (not everywhere, but in the cities) Aug 10 21:45:02 well, parts of sf Aug 10 21:45:25 just port this to your neo http://www.beigerecords.com/cory/pizza_party/ Aug 10 21:45:36 can add time by remote, and i think you can have it send you a reminder that you're time is nearly up Aug 10 21:52:12 ns identify 11213456 Aug 10 21:52:18 ok pizza party would be so great to have a gui interface for on the om Aug 10 21:52:20 ns identify 11213456asdpoq Aug 10 21:52:24 ohh :X Aug 10 21:52:47 heh Aug 10 21:52:59 any good irc client for 2007.02 Aug 10 21:53:00 ? Aug 10 21:53:03 somehow i'd never seen that before Aug 10 21:53:31 dunno spdr. i have a jedi war with myself just trying to get wireless up between locations Aug 10 21:53:37 heh, yeah, it's been around for like 5 years Aug 10 21:53:51 but ... pizza hut Aug 10 21:54:04 setting up a gui using pygtk would take very little time Aug 10 21:54:20 trix, using a GUI ? Aug 10 21:54:40 ieatlint: but getting pygtk on the neo is a difficult task atm Aug 10 21:54:44 no, just via terminal, spdr Aug 10 21:54:51 using a 'manual' (iwconfig) script i made works fine for me Aug 10 21:54:59 Tanuva: not too difficult Aug 10 21:55:11 atleast with WEP and Open networks Aug 10 21:55:25 it's in this repo: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/ Aug 10 21:55:40 ieatmint Aug 10 21:56:32 spdr, hmm. i have a wpa_supplicant.conf in place and it will work for me in my wpa2 wifi, but when i go somewhere else and try the ifdown/ifup eth0 it won't get a lease for some reason Aug 10 21:57:57 spdr, could i take a look at your iwconfig script? Aug 10 21:58:39 hey dave Aug 10 21:59:08 trix, yeah its pretty simple, sec Aug 10 21:59:25 let me just remove some home-area keys :) Aug 10 21:59:34 :) Aug 10 22:00:12 if anyone has a curiosity to what the full boot text is: http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/P1-Snapshot-20080620-om-gta02.txt Aug 10 22:00:43 ieatlint: haha nice :) Aug 10 22:01:49 btw trix besides my ugly code, its written in perl :0 Aug 10 22:01:50 what is the 'best' image for the FR out there now? (most usuable/best battery lifetime) ? Aug 10 22:01:50 thx ieatlint Aug 10 22:02:05 np Aug 10 22:02:38 spdr, bet you my perl is uglier :p Aug 10 22:02:56 trix, http://pastebin.ca/1152036 ---> Notice lines 50 and 51, you could just take the whole line 46 to 54 part.. Aug 10 22:04:19 just to double check: when i talk the other person hears a cracking sound, does anyone know what i have to tweak (alsamixer, gsmhandsets.state)? Aug 10 22:04:58 ahh, thanks spdr Aug 10 22:05:08 should probably ifdown so i can reconnect another network on a different channel Aug 10 22:05:48 ah no, it just works :) Aug 10 22:05:59 that doesn't include any preference given to encrypted networks right? Aug 10 22:06:52 no, it just does a scan and lets you pick by number Aug 10 22:07:06 oh nice Aug 10 22:09:40 you could add if($keylist[$select]=="on") { print "Key: "; $key=; } to the sub as well i guess :) Aug 10 22:10:50 cga: I looked back in log, and you were announcing success... screen shot or it didn't happen! :-P Aug 10 22:11:01 cga: but a link to code would be better Aug 10 22:11:15 spdr, getting over and over again: run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/99avahi-autoipd exited with code 1 Aug 10 22:11:22 maybe a key problem on my wpa2 Aug 10 22:11:59 trix, more than 3 times ? hmmm Aug 10 22:12:16 yeah got the message 4 times before i ctrl+c Aug 10 22:12:36 sure the input for the key is correct? Aug 10 22:12:47 and now it's not scanning for some reason Aug 10 22:12:54 pretty sure, i'm using a string key Aug 10 22:13:06 and u put it in as s:string ? Aug 10 22:13:20 yes Aug 10 22:13:31 never tested WPA actually. but should work anyways Aug 10 22:13:38 wpa works fine here Aug 10 22:13:53 $key="s:yodogsup!@#"; Aug 10 22:13:57 I got wep/wep2/wpa/wpa2 all working here.. Aug 10 22:14:07 cga is sleeping I guess...must be out of coffee :-D Aug 10 22:14:11 sorta a pain though.. very querky system.. Aug 10 22:14:11 there is no wep2... Aug 10 22:14:19 64/128 Aug 10 22:14:25 try ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0, if it wont scan :0 Aug 10 22:14:26 true Aug 10 22:14:37 no offical wep2 standard.. Aug 10 22:14:56 Biovore: but I never heard wep2, just wep with different key length :) Aug 10 22:15:01 yep Aug 10 22:17:48 you all got the wifi to work via a gui or terminal ? Aug 10 22:19:17 Infoport, Biovore , Tanuva ? Aug 10 22:19:33 iwscan eth0 scan Aug 10 22:19:38 does it show up when you do that? Aug 10 22:20:04 mine works, just curios Aug 10 22:20:10 iwlist* Aug 10 22:20:17 yeah.. Aug 10 22:20:26 curious* :) Aug 10 22:20:30 Mine seems to work Aug 10 22:23:03 spdr_: terminal Aug 10 22:23:22 I've just set it up the usual debian way :) Aug 10 22:23:40 oh, your running deb? Aug 10 22:23:45 is there already a way to get sound working after a suspend? Aug 10 22:23:56 i should really get a new sd already Aug 10 22:24:02 spdr_: no, just wanted to say "by editing all nessecary config files by hand" Aug 10 22:24:24 I'm running fso and I'm quite happy with it. except the sms thingy Aug 10 22:24:39 what about sms? Aug 10 22:24:43 oh Aug 10 22:24:50 one doesn't get informed about new sms Aug 10 22:24:54 Tanuva: sorry, I havent used wifi on 2008.8 yet, and set it up on OM2007 but only connected once (I think having a USB-networking gateway defined is an issue, mentioned in wiki) Aug 10 22:24:59 sending/receiving seems to work fine Aug 10 22:25:09 i didnt think its usable as a phone :0 Aug 10 22:25:11 yeah... that is a drawback, hehe Aug 10 22:25:30 spdr_: thats the only purpose its usable for yet :D Aug 10 22:25:30 fso has its issues, but i use it too Aug 10 22:25:41 "usable" the om way Aug 10 22:25:59 although illume is there, so you can install other apps, too Aug 10 22:26:07 yep Aug 10 22:26:22 Infoport: why sorry for that? :D Aug 10 22:27:33 Tanuva: don't know if I can help... I also use a key on *my* router, so it takes configuration Aug 10 22:27:36 works grate om om2007 for me Aug 10 22:27:45 s/om// Aug 10 22:27:45 spdr_ meant: works grate om2007 for me Aug 10 22:28:00 cool bot Aug 10 22:28:03 :) Aug 10 22:28:05 yep :) Aug 10 22:28:22 although s/om // would have been nicer *FG* Aug 10 22:28:34 Tanuva: wifi sure would be nice, esp since tanogps (maybe others) has to download maps, as you go even Aug 10 22:28:36 s/om\s// Aug 10 22:28:52 apt: no Aug 10 22:28:53 YES Aug 10 22:28:59 apt: screw you Aug 10 22:29:00 * apt asks you to bend over Aug 10 22:29:11 Infoport: yep, but I once had a fix in my room so I could download maps for my home from inside :D Aug 10 22:29:16 apt: and how does that make you feel? Aug 10 22:29:24 damn Aug 10 22:29:33 apt: why won't you help me? Aug 10 22:29:34 why not? Aug 10 22:29:41 apt: m00! Aug 10 22:29:48 pah.. Aug 10 22:29:51 apt: halt den mund Aug 10 22:29:51 * apt computes den mund then halts Aug 10 22:30:02 apt: ooooh, that phrase would always LOCK the Eliza program Aug 10 22:30:15 *g* Aug 10 22:30:23 ich glaub kaum, dass apt deutsch kann :D Aug 10 22:30:46 apt: thanks Aug 10 22:30:46 ieatlint: pas de quoi Aug 10 22:31:05 apparently his thanks vary in language... last time i saw it was in german :P Aug 10 22:31:14 hehe Aug 10 22:31:15 apt: Por favor, dame un cigarillo. Aug 10 22:31:32 any way to get icq on the pidgin moko? Aug 10 22:32:15 install an icq plugin? Aug 10 22:32:24 moko pidgin*, need sleep :) Aug 10 22:32:38 these bots are more fun than the ones who recommend "fun" web sites every other phrase Aug 10 22:32:51 external wifi antenna connector? http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/pics/marked/dsc_5001-wifi.jpg Aug 10 22:34:11 btw, I bought a cheap gps antenna for $8.31 and no S&H! http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8859 Aug 10 22:34:43 s&h? Aug 10 22:35:14 no shipping and handling (S&H english abbreviation) Aug 10 22:35:15 shipping and ... ? Aug 10 22:35:21 oh Aug 10 22:35:30 ah Aug 10 22:35:37 sometimes places have a handling fee for box, foam, etc Aug 10 22:35:50 s&h is american english i think even Aug 10 22:37:07 not to plug dealextreme.com, but I went to 4-5 electronics or office stores and NONE had the right connector, plus antennas were $20-40. This was cheapest I found, and well it boosts! Aug 10 22:38:04 they ship from Hong Kong, took about a week to US, came registered and had to sign (actually I missed it, and postal employee let me wait for the driver to return to station!!! :-D ) Aug 10 22:38:35 it doesn't tell you the gain Aug 10 22:39:20 iea Aug 10 22:39:24 Umm. Aug 10 22:39:25 ieatlint: it may be american english, it occurred to me. but lots of web stores use "S&H" too, so I'm used to it LOL Aug 10 22:39:26 there at least WAS one on amazon for ~8€ Aug 10 22:39:28 Damn. Aug 10 22:39:33 I measured the gain. Aug 10 22:39:53 probably 26-27 Aug 10 22:40:00 seems standard for those types of antennae Aug 10 22:40:07 It was a fair amount. Aug 10 22:40:14 ieatlint: actually, I watched in the Openmoko GSP tester, under "SS" (Signal Strength) and it went up at least 20 Aug 10 22:40:34 hey, SpeedEvil, i was considering ordering one of your screen shields... that $5 shipped? Aug 10 22:40:41 ieatlint: yes Aug 10 22:40:50 paypal, or what? Aug 10 22:40:53 yes Aug 10 22:40:59 i can't find pidgin ipk, anyone know where it is? opkg list |grep pidgin returns nothing Aug 10 22:41:23 ieatlint: others may be better, but without *real* reviews/comparisons, I didn't want to pay lots ($8.31!) Aug 10 22:41:48 Check it's got the right connector! Aug 10 22:41:53 SpeedEvil: what sort of screen protector do you sell? have a link? Aug 10 22:42:01 hang on Aug 10 22:42:28 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Shop:Speedevil Aug 10 22:42:35 SpeedEvil: none of the gps antennas in local stores had right connector, but the one I listed fits fine Aug 10 22:42:35 Though there is no picture. Aug 10 22:44:43 SpeedEvil: bookmarked! I may come back...I left the plastic on mine until it started to tear, and I appreciate real protectors Aug 10 22:45:16 * Tanuva would like his invisibleshield to finally arrive :/ Aug 10 22:45:35 * Zorkman joins Tanuva Aug 10 22:46:16 SpeedEvil: damn, I sort of wish for the capacitor installation to but says only UK...would prob drive me nuts waiting though Aug 10 22:46:41 * pjz has an invisbleshield, it's not bad Aug 10 22:47:10 pjz: not bad, but..? Aug 10 22:47:11 pjz: from SpeedEvil, or the ones available elsewhere? Aug 10 22:48:11 The ones I'm peddling are not invisibleshields. Aug 10 22:48:32 They are IME quite adequate screen protectors is all. Aug 10 22:51:38 SpeedEvil: quite a bit less than what I've seen. I expect I would want to use one until scratched and replace-- easier when they are 1/3 price :D Aug 10 22:51:56 * Tanuva hates fiddling round with edje without really knowing what to do to get it working >.< Aug 10 22:54:01 SpeedEvil: do they reduce glare too, or "just" protect the phone? 3M says they can do anything with thin plastic :-/ Aug 10 22:54:25 They look (to me) exactly as the unprotected screen does. Aug 10 22:55:38 the writeright ones at walmart glare a little but are very durable Aug 10 22:56:42 ugh, I'll give a couple of bucks to not have to run the gauntlet of walmart Aug 10 22:56:49 SpeedEvil: how about collecting dust/smudges? Aug 10 22:57:03 why does fdisk fail on the sdcard? Aug 10 22:57:13 ieatlint: just like the screen does. - I've not noticed it collecting any dust. Aug 10 22:57:15 i know the case covers the edge of the screen, but one of the protectors i have now gets all smudgy very quickly Aug 10 22:57:37 its soft? Aug 10 22:58:10 ok, well, you likely will be getting order from me when i can remember my paypal pass Aug 10 22:58:27 linuxxee: soft? Aug 10 22:58:49 linuxxee: sure you're not pointing it at the partition? Aug 10 22:59:11 OMG 2008.8 wifi looks like it will let me do the setup from the screen...a feature!! Aug 10 22:59:37 an u can see your access point too Aug 10 23:05:52 infoport u have the 20080810 image? Aug 10 23:05:55 * torindel is running supertux on his moko Aug 10 23:06:15 controlling this with touchscreen is wierd ;D Aug 10 23:06:41 torindel u have which distro? Aug 10 23:06:47 fso Aug 10 23:07:28 in python: is there a try/except-like statement that is executed only if there was no exception? (like finally but with this criteria) Aug 10 23:08:03 linuxxee: no, I have updated OM2007 at least yesterday, and have OM2008.8 first release with some installed stuff Aug 10 23:08:35 linuxxee: im getting uber 10 fps ;] Aug 10 23:08:47 make that 8.5-10 Aug 10 23:09:02 * jomat|away didn't find a way in the GUI to connect to a wifi-net on 2008.8 Aug 10 23:09:36 cruel Aug 10 23:10:07 well, I dont think I entered the password correctly..it is LONG and with numbers-- keyboard + ***** shown makes it difficult Aug 10 23:10:51 torindel, can you controll supertux with TS? Aug 10 23:11:13 Zorkman: yep Aug 10 23:11:15 anybody know if you can configure a wifi connection in 2008.8 over SSH? Aug 10 23:11:26 iwconfig? Aug 10 23:11:58 jomat: under settings, turn on wifi, and then available routers show up Aug 10 23:12:01 torindel: have you tried landscape in 2008.8? the offset bug is back on my FR Aug 10 23:12:07 Zorkman: but it would be a hell easier if you had 4 buttons for arrows XD Aug 10 23:12:09 Infoport, I did it... but DHCP was declined by my server, didn't know why Aug 10 23:12:26 Zorkman: nope Aug 10 23:12:45 jomat: but the damn predictive keyboard sometimes puts the char right in, and others waits for you to click in waiting area (or so it seemed, and I could tell otherwise) Aug 10 23:13:01 Infoport, wifi says "unknow" (... Moment to verify, I have to reboot...) Aug 10 23:13:20 arrrrrgh damn efl... I gotta have some sleep :/ Aug 10 23:15:46 Infoport, iwconfig eth0 essid linksys;ifconfig eth0 192.168.4.15;echo nameserver 192.168.4.254 >> /etc/resolv.conf; route add default gw hotzenwirt.loc; did it for me. Aug 10 23:16:02 hotzenwirt.loc resolves to 192.168.4.1 Aug 10 23:16:29 hotzenwirt is a quite creative hostname. :D Aug 10 23:17:20 Okay, 2008.8: Settings -> Wifi and then WiFi on the left side and unknown right on the screen. Aug 10 23:17:30 thx :-) Aug 10 23:18:06 hotzenwirt is a WRT54GL, and the WRT led me to wirt :-) Aug 10 23:18:33 jomat: I got unknown before too...don't know what changed/updated on 2008.8 Aug 10 23:19:44 I currently have ssid broadcast on and encryption off.... but the wlan-driver itself seems to work. Aug 10 23:20:13 jomat: I have a WRT too, a WRT54GS (running DD-WRT). got the right revision with the most memory :D Aug 10 23:20:30 the celtune repo doesn't seem to contain python-pygtk, anywhere else I could get that from? Aug 10 23:20:38 grats, Infoport :-) Aug 10 23:21:29 I have an WRT54GS version 5 here... it sucks :-) But 3 other GL, mostly with OpenWRT :-) Aug 10 23:21:57 Tanuva: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/python-pygtk_2.10.4-ml8_armv4t.ipk Aug 10 23:22:22 jomat: I went to stores and read serial numbers, with a printout in my hand...finally had something the employees could HELP me do :-P Aug 10 23:22:26 strange. I added that to opkg and it didnt find the package :/ Aug 10 23:22:32 thanks anyway :) Aug 10 23:22:38 *gg* Aug 10 23:22:43 nice :-) Aug 10 23:23:01 SpeedEvil: do I HAVE to convert my key to hex for iwconfig? Aug 10 23:23:17 its currently not in the feed Aug 10 23:24:39 SpeedEvil: I read the man iwconfig, just trying to get simplify it (without removing encryption) Aug 10 23:28:42 jomat: I got the WRT54GS v3. still running DD-WRT v23"beta" Aug 10 23:30:20 torindel: : are you running supertux on 2008.8?? Aug 10 23:30:44 supertux! Aug 10 23:31:11 SUPERTUX!!!! Aug 10 23:31:46 SuperTux 1!!1eleventy!!one! Aug 10 23:32:46 Infoport: i'm sick of dd-wrt, i gather the author is removing more and more code from the gpl Aug 10 23:33:18 grr supertux won't run on my 2008.8, will look at it tomorrow Aug 10 23:33:21 g'night all Aug 10 23:34:28 niklauz: actually that is why I have never upgraded to DD-WRT v24. After all the complaining about Sevasoft and restrictions to getting src. :-( Aug 10 23:35:13 Infoport, ever managed WPA between two WDS nodes on dd-wrt? )now i somehow managed to kill my bt keyboard.... :-/ Aug 10 23:36:29 * jomat realizes, greek keyboard layout is somehow strange... Aug 10 23:36:29 Infoport: i'm waiting for a compelling reason to switch to openwrt, it's just the gui isn't yet as refined Aug 10 23:36:59 * Tanuva really has to get a few hours of sleep Aug 10 23:37:22 Tanuva|off: nn :) Aug 10 23:39:54 niklauz: i mean Sveasoft http://www.sveasoftsucks.com/ Aug 10 23:40:55 niklauz: yeah, I didnt use OpenWRT b/c I alsready have too many hobbies to maintain, need to change my oil in VWs too Aug 10 23:41:48 jomat: no, although my neighbors sometime expose routers to DD-WRTs detection Aug 10 23:47:51 ZzzZzZZorkman: i said earlier that i was running it on fso ;] Aug 10 23:49:16 ugh, I am never going to type this password for wifi correctly with this touch-keyboard :-( Aug 10 23:50:25 Infoport: try xrandr -o left first - rotated keyboard is bigger keyboard ;] Aug 10 23:50:27 morning Aug 10 23:50:32 moin Aug 10 23:50:36 * rwhitby returns from a weekend away from computers Aug 10 23:50:48 rwhitby: heathen! Aug 10 23:50:52 rwhitby: skiing? Aug 10 23:50:54 :) Aug 10 23:51:02 raster: Scout Leader training Aug 10 23:51:09 ooh bummer Aug 10 23:51:15 i hear the snow is good Aug 10 23:51:54 rwhitby: away from computers? how do you manage :/ Aug 10 23:52:04 so, is 2008.08 useable yet? Aug 10 23:52:32 Hallo Aug 10 23:53:09 * rwhitby takes a dig at raster by proposing that once he leaves Openmoko they'll get back to focusing on stability rather than bling ;-) Aug 10 23:53:55 rwhitby: dude. trust me. i was the one porposing slow incrimental changes and keeping the gtk 2007.2 app set and just fixing it up Aug 10 23:54:01 so guys Aug 10 23:54:10 i was not happy with the qtopia thing Aug 10 23:54:11 i'm considering making a 3d map viewer for the FR Aug 10 23:54:19 looking at a name for it Aug 10 23:54:24 raster: yeah, I know - but unfortunately your reputation makes everyone think the opposite :-) Aug 10 23:54:51 rwhitby: nothgni wrong with bling. i tend to get it for free because i've got back-ends doing it for me :) Aug 10 23:55:06 Qtopia thing? Aug 10 23:55:09 rwhitby: but overall the ui has even less usability than was written for it Aug 10 23:55:14 as its all turned off/hidden/removed Aug 10 23:55:17 haha yeah Aug 10 23:55:17 any name suggestions? Aug 10 23:55:25 raster the rapscallion Aug 10 23:55:32 it'll be using that 3d engine i have compiled called "Irrlicht" Aug 10 23:55:43 rooly|away: "Elevation" Aug 10 23:55:52 rooly|away: Isaac. In memorium. Aug 10 23:55:55 (to fit in with all the other 2008.08 names) Aug 10 23:55:57 * rooly|away was thinking something like "Irrth" Aug 10 23:56:32 Doogle-Earth Aug 10 23:57:01 FreeD Aug 10 23:57:11 IrrthFreeD Aug 10 23:57:16 * jomat would think of sth. like ImSumpf when he's hearing Irrlicht :-) Aug 10 23:58:23 i'm gonna go with Irrth if you guys can't come up with something better Aug 10 23:58:36 ro i hope u've tested irrlicht on the FR... given a comparable dataset to what u want to display :) Aug 10 23:59:08 not particularly, however i have *tested* irrlicht on the FR Aug 10 23:59:14 see my video Aug 10 23:59:42 what video? Aug 11 00:00:17 http://rooly.g0dsoft.com/blog4.php/2008/08/02/the-openmoko-freerunner Aug 11 00:02:18 torindel: bleah! the rotated screen has the same keyboard I think, but it is to the left, and screen acts as if it is centered (mis-aligned) Aug 11 00:02:55 i'll consider naming it Elevation too Aug 11 00:03:24 rooly|away: ummm... i didn't doubt it'd run.. i was much more thinking about "framerate Aug 11 00:03:29 ie -is it usable Aug 11 00:03:50 yeah yeah, framerate is an issue, but it'll just require optimization Aug 11 00:03:59 hahahahaha Aug 11 00:04:00 sorry Aug 11 00:04:03 i have to giggle here Aug 11 00:04:05 seriously Aug 11 00:04:11 it uses opengl? Aug 11 00:04:14 (i assume)? Aug 11 00:04:14 i was getting 6-8 fps on the gtk engine using a full debug mode in the slow software Aug 11 00:04:55 6-8fps fullscreen with a single blue background and white cube? Aug 11 00:05:13 in debug Aug 11 00:05:33 the engine had zero to none in terms of speed/size optimization Aug 11 00:05:33 debug wont change much unless its spewing out 1000's of line sof text a second Aug 11 00:05:40 its not that Aug 11 00:05:46 its the fact u will be software rendering Aug 11 00:05:51 as u wont be getting hardware help Aug 11 00:05:57 yup yup Aug 11 00:05:57 and opengl software is absymally slow Aug 11 00:06:11 i can vouce for that one... Aug 11 00:06:13 and beyond basically rewritign thew software rasterisring etc. in opengl Aug 11 00:06:17 u arent going to optimise Aug 11 00:06:21 the opengl mesa is slower than the slow software Aug 11 00:06:25 there isnt much room to move Aug 11 00:06:30 simply beyond giving opengl less to draw Aug 11 00:06:44 so irrlicht has its own software engine? Aug 11 00:06:47 2 in fact Aug 11 00:06:50 aaah Aug 11 00:06:51 ok Aug 11 00:06:54 then you may have a hope Aug 11 00:06:57 it wont be great Aug 11 00:07:14 1 has over-aggressive culling, the other has everything but shaders and can be compiled 2 different ways Aug 11 00:07:15 * SpeedEvil passes raster a box labelled '3D x server for glamo onboard RISC'. Aug 11 00:07:19 i have a software engine i wrote a decade ago that runs on the FR and neo1973 Aug 11 00:07:27 it managed 7-8fps with textures Aug 11 00:07:32 with a bunch of cubes Aug 11 00:07:36 * SpeedEvil watches as the box opens, and a huge rubber centipede explodes from it. Aug 11 00:07:45 and some gouraud shading and slens flare... Aug 11 00:07:53 but i never really got it beyond the stage of a simple test engine Aug 11 00:08:17 torindel: how do I reverse the rotation? -o right didnt do it Aug 11 00:08:24 SpeedEvil: the openrisc core on the glamo is useless Aug 11 00:08:30 raster: it is? Aug 11 00:08:33 beyond no docs at all even under nda, on how to program it Aug 11 00:08:34 pretty much Aug 11 00:08:37 its also slow Aug 11 00:08:39 according to smedia Aug 11 00:08:41 about 50mhz Aug 11 00:08:42 raster: ah Aug 11 00:08:47 u wont be getting anything useful out of it Aug 11 00:08:53 well u may get something Aug 11 00:08:55 if u knew how Aug 11 00:09:01 raster: I'd guess it's targetted at reading data from the SD Aug 11 00:09:08 but wouldit be worth the massiv e effort to hand-write your own openrisc assembly? Aug 11 00:09:10 raster: and feeding the other engines Aug 11 00:09:12 for 1 chip? Aug 11 00:09:21 its targetted as more of a management chip Aug 11 00:09:22 that won't be in the next phone, btw Aug 11 00:09:29 just controlling the other bits of silicon Aug 11 00:09:33 ro bingo Aug 11 00:09:35 Infoport: -o normal Aug 11 00:09:37 so u write it for FR Aug 11 00:09:41 then that code is throw-away Aug 11 00:09:44 raster: yeah - I know. Aug 11 00:09:45 mm hmm Aug 11 00:09:47 as it will never be used on another device Aug 11 00:09:47 torindel nevermind, tired --help Aug 11 00:09:47 :( Aug 11 00:10:04 torindel: oops, thanks for replying Aug 11 00:10:11 raster: I was working on the GPS reverse engineering for the gta01, and that stalled when it wasn't in GTA02 Aug 11 00:10:15 tried --help I mean Aug 11 00:10:21 SpeedEvil: fully understand Aug 11 00:10:28 wasted code is annoying. Aug 11 00:10:35 SpeedEvil: *IF* the hardware was like the ps2 pr ps/ or gamebuce or psp Aug 11 00:10:40 btw Aug 11 00:10:44 where a hw platform is developed and has a 5-10 year lifepsan Aug 11 00:10:49 with millions and millions of units Aug 11 00:10:52 its worth squeezing the hw Aug 11 00:10:57 as there is tonnes of it Aug 11 00:11:00 and its not going away Aug 11 00:11:03 if anyone is looking for a case for their FR, a perfectly sized and fitted one is made by Seidio Aug 11 00:11:08 like the amiga Aug 11 00:11:10 or atari-st Aug 11 00:11:13 c-64 Aug 11 00:11:13 etc. Aug 11 00:11:20 but if u know Aug 11 00:11:27 it is a matter of 12 months before its obsolete and utterly different Aug 11 00:11:30 rooly: got a pic or link? Aug 11 00:11:36 1 minute Aug 11 00:11:42 squeezing all u can out of it becomes a game in guessing the point of diminishng returns Aug 11 00:11:48 raster: totally agree. Aug 11 00:11:50 and making sure u have a forward-portability api in place Aug 11 00:12:08 ie - you need to guess where "well - i can spend another month of code - but how much will i get out of it?" Aug 11 00:12:33 i suspect with the glamo it's already at that stage Aug 11 00:12:38 If FR had sold 50K, things'd be different. Aug 11 00:12:41 But... Aug 11 00:12:57 50k is nothing Aug 11 00:13:01 in the scheme of gadgets :) Aug 11 00:13:04 torindel: heck I'm shutting it down, and hoping it wont be rotated upon reboot. parts became off-screen :-( Aug 11 00:13:04 I know. Aug 11 00:13:06 but even if Aug 11 00:13:09 that'd be a while from now Aug 11 00:13:18 and by then u're staring down the barrel of a successor Aug 11 00:13:21 :) Aug 11 00:13:59 Infoport: o_O Aug 11 00:14:30 raster: but sometime in the future, people will be getting old ones for $20 and making them into routers or print servers or bicycle mileage meters :-) Aug 11 00:14:33 Infoport: i didnt had that much problems with fso keyboard as it rotated corectly and nothing come out of screen Aug 11 00:14:36 SpeedEvil: that's one reason i'd not mind to see mp3g4 decode accel Aug 11 00:14:42 but the problem is an api that works with x/xv Aug 11 00:14:54 where u can sanely feed already encoded streams Aug 11 00:15:03 and have x handle pumping them to the right deocde pipeline Aug 11 00:15:15 then at least u have a generic wrapping api Aug 11 00:15:22 and so the next piece of hw that supports codecs in hw Aug 11 00:15:27 can adverttise its codec support Aug 11 00:15:34 and using the same api in your app - you feed it codec data Aug 11 00:15:56 Infoport: and for that hey wont need any more powerful glamo accel ;) Aug 11 00:16:21 raster: depends on how fast you pedal Aug 11 00:16:43 "with a name like Glamo, it *has* to be good" Aug 11 00:17:25 didn;t remember to hold AUX, so I'm testing OM2007 again I guess Aug 11 00:22:26 I need rest, or wife might find me with key-prints on my face (again) Aug 11 00:24:03 just put a pillow on top of your hands (in case you fall asleep) while continuing hacking on your phone. problem solved. Aug 11 00:24:37 * rooly|away is gonna put up photos in a minute Aug 11 00:25:04 Evening all. Is there a way to have the screen wake up on an incoming call? I'm using the current OM2007.2 build, and incoming calls ring, and I can answer since I know where the buttons are, but I would like to be able to see them, incase someone other then myself is using my FR Aug 11 00:26:28 as a note, my FR isn't suspended, only screen locked Aug 11 00:32:26 Any idea on my above? Aug 11 00:42:00 speaking of selling 50k, anyone know how many FR's DID get sold? Aug 11 00:43:03 http://rooly.g0dsoft.com/uploaded/OpenMokoCase/ Aug 11 00:43:09 that's the case i was talking about Infoport Aug 11 00:44:40 rooly|away: which case is that? Aug 11 00:45:02 couldn't give you a model#, all i know is it's made by seidio Aug 11 00:45:35 ok.cool Aug 11 00:45:55 i picked it up in an airport for ~40$'s Aug 11 00:50:42 rooly: looks like the case is sized right! (and with a cable-hole too) I don't do leather though, and I bought the extra-pack to get the OpenMoko soft case (and 2 more batteries) Aug 11 00:51:05 rooly: I've thought that maybe a thin hard protective case would be good Aug 11 00:51:26 the spares pack is a good deal Aug 11 00:51:35 actually, a hard cover to slide over the front, a la Nokia 770, would be nice Aug 11 00:51:42 although the case... dunno how useful it really is :P Aug 11 00:53:23 that soft case thing? Aug 11 00:53:25 * rooly|away has one Aug 11 00:53:26 My mother makes a lot of things with felt, I conviced her to make a cover for my neo :-) Aug 11 00:53:29 it's not particularly useful Aug 11 00:53:36 it's more of a bag Aug 11 00:53:38 yeah Aug 11 00:53:46 marbles would work better than a phone Aug 11 00:53:46 openmoko dice bag! Aug 11 00:54:10 they need to sell a car charger... Aug 11 00:54:13 if i were to buy a case, it would need to have a convenient way to store a stylus Aug 11 00:54:20 i had to buy an inverter just to charge my phone in the car Aug 11 00:54:38 ( and then promptly blew out my car's power-port fuse) ) Aug 11 00:54:48 you can find generic usb car chargers Aug 11 00:54:57 12v to 5v dc step Aug 11 00:54:59 i've tried 2 from wally-world Aug 11 00:55:04 neither would charge it Aug 11 00:55:18 as in, not at all, or it would only pull 100mA? Aug 11 00:55:24 not at all Aug 11 00:55:29 weird Aug 11 00:55:32 i noticed a usb connection Aug 11 00:55:34 and that was it Aug 11 00:55:48 i have a generic one... it's a car charger with a standard type a usb port on it, .5A Aug 11 00:56:00 i have to force my phone to pull 500mA from it, but it works Aug 11 00:59:04 ok, well, if I'm understanding the topic right, then the question I came here for is answered Aug 11 00:59:06 sorta Aug 11 00:59:18 I know buildhost doesn't have ASU on it, but I was wondering where to get a daily of it? Aug 11 00:59:31 I'm about to flash the new release, but I'd like opkg to automatically track the dailies for me Aug 11 00:59:43 with 2007.2, flashing a daily would make it do that Aug 11 00:59:56 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882328003 for instance, 5v 500mA output over usb Aug 11 01:00:03 $8.99 Aug 11 01:00:19 there weren't any at wally-world Aug 11 01:01:46 can anyone set me straight? Aug 11 01:03:25 I'm also looking for a current uboot, which I'm suspecting is not on buildhost Aug 11 01:03:48 Hrm Aug 11 01:03:59 $8.99? Aug 11 01:04:05 For what? Aug 11 01:04:07 i thought theres a new u-boot in the 0808 directory Aug 11 01:04:17 you can probably find a better one... perhaps one with 1A output Aug 11 01:04:32 charger? Aug 11 01:04:39 Dave: yeah Aug 11 01:04:47 car charger... gives you a powered usb port Aug 11 01:05:03 Ah, yeah Aug 11 01:05:17 I got a bunch of nice ones a couple weeks ago Aug 11 01:05:26 they were like $10 each though Aug 11 01:06:12 it's one of those zero-space usb devices :p Aug 11 01:07:25 well, if i can find one with 1A, i'm buying it Aug 11 01:07:31 but 500mA isn't a bad deal Aug 11 01:07:53 right Aug 11 01:08:40 I mean, I already have a jiggawatt inverter, so it's not a problem anyway :P Aug 11 01:09:01 it's spelt gigawatt, and "jigga" is a correct pronunciation :P Aug 11 01:09:28 indeed. Aug 11 01:09:42 I was talking about jiggawatts though, not gigawatts :P Aug 11 01:09:55 you know... it takes a lightning bolt to power :p Aug 11 01:10:10 ah, well, if you're driving a delorean ... well ... awesome! Aug 11 01:10:26 Solid steel construction, baby! Aug 11 01:10:49 so I've built the toolchain with bitbake to cross compile from my ppc, but I'm not sure how I should install it (do I install the ipkg on my ppc machine? ) Aug 11 01:10:53 seems openmoko uses EABI... Aug 11 01:11:04 * mmu_man wondering what to take for an Haiku port... Aug 11 01:11:08 rooly: but the soft bag lets everyone know I have a cool OpenMoko phone :-P but it does help keep it clean/scratch-free, holds an extra battery or SD card in plastic if I need, and keeps it in my pocket Aug 11 01:11:14 I suppose I should go right away to eabi Aug 11 01:11:38 So what stunning accomplishments have you made in my absense, lint? Aug 11 01:11:43 haha Aug 11 01:11:45 mmu_man: haiku only supports x86, with vague plans for x86_64 and no plans for anything else Aug 11 01:12:01 Dave: uhm, i drove a lot Aug 11 01:12:17 and i went to the grocery store Aug 11 01:12:20 ieatlint actually no Aug 11 01:12:24 and at some point i'm supposed to make dinner Aug 11 01:12:27 hey mmu_man :D Aug 11 01:12:29 we do have a ppc port Aug 11 01:12:41 which worked at one point, but isn't much maintained Aug 11 01:12:43 interesting... i'm going off what the website said :P Aug 11 01:12:47 and I started an m68k port Aug 11 01:13:12 well, i was a beos user (still have the cd somewhere, hehe)... so i surely won't complain Aug 11 01:13:14 well that's the officially supported target, doesn't mean we don't explore others Aug 11 01:13:30 mmu_man: All I want is the toolchain on the ppc, so I can cross compile to the arm. I've built the toolchain I'm just not show how to install it. Aug 11 01:13:37 http://revolf.free.fr/beos/shots/shot_haiku_m68k_loader_010.png Aug 11 01:14:04 hmm. should my wifi suddenly connect once I put the password in Settings>Wiki? Aug 11 01:14:08 stevenSn ? Aug 11 01:14:10 another way of asking my question is "If you build the toolchain from scratch with bitbake, how do you get it into /usr/local/openmoko/arm Aug 11 01:14:22 oops/ Settings>Wifi Aug 11 01:14:29 how would I know Aug 11 01:14:39 Dave: i should probably like upload some stuff... but that would involve... i dunno, a bunch of scp commands and such Aug 11 01:14:50 Haiku has its own way of building the cross gcc Aug 11 01:14:53 :) Aug 11 01:15:00 yeah man Aug 11 01:15:10 the whole thing smacks effort... Aug 11 01:15:18 ... and effort sucks. Aug 11 01:15:27 is the FR thread-friendly? Aug 11 01:15:40 i already got surprised when my hosted server went down because google marked an email from my hosting provider as spam that advised me of a rack move and ip change Aug 11 01:16:07 hah Aug 11 01:16:17 Were you thoroughly surprised? Aug 11 01:16:38 yeah, the good kind of surprised though Aug 11 01:16:46 Oh, okay. Aug 11 01:17:03 Alright, good, so long as you weren't totally infuriated. Aug 11 01:17:11 You probably save that for the freerunner development ;) Aug 11 01:17:20 eh... my email doesn't run on it, so no real harm Aug 11 01:17:23 Let the hate flow through you... Aug 11 01:17:32 so...does anyone know... Aug 11 01:17:38 threading on the FR, useful? Aug 11 01:17:39 no, i let it flow onto others, bastard Aug 11 01:17:47 haha Aug 11 01:17:56 Good, I'll know who to blame now ;) Aug 11 01:18:01 rooly, it works fine. Aug 11 01:18:05 What more do you want to know? Aug 11 01:18:15 nothing Aug 11 01:18:21 Okay :) Aug 11 01:18:24 i'll finish up my power app and upload it with a screenshot i support Aug 11 01:18:27 it even works with java! *shudder* Aug 11 01:18:27 just wanna set up my rendering threads sperate from my gui/input Aug 11 01:18:34 ieatlint: kinky Aug 11 01:18:43 that way, i can make the two non-dependant of each other Aug 11 01:18:51 sneak preview please :p Aug 11 01:18:54 improving app frame rate Aug 11 01:19:09 independent of one another? Aug 11 01:19:22 :P Aug 11 01:19:33 yeah, so finger scrolling isn't so clumsy Aug 11 01:19:38 yeah t blows Aug 11 01:19:42 plus needs more memories Aug 11 01:19:47 I hear mega swap makes it sexy Aug 11 01:20:00 i think i can manage with only 128 megs ram Aug 11 01:20:25 hardly Aug 11 01:20:35 well, maybe if you're *just* scrolling the app menus :P Aug 11 01:20:41 and keeping track of time Aug 11 01:20:49 man, don't you know ANYTHING about linux (with X) :P Aug 11 01:20:53 hah Aug 11 01:21:08 yeah, i can manage Aug 11 01:21:13 * rooly|away uses his phone to compile Aug 11 01:21:14 ;) Aug 11 01:21:19 haha, yeah so do I Aug 11 01:21:24 I get whacked for it, but hey Aug 11 01:21:29 bullocks to cross-compiling Aug 11 01:21:33 beats having to fuck with the toolchain ;D Aug 11 01:21:37 * Dave hides Aug 11 01:21:44 even if it takes 50hrs :D Aug 11 01:21:55 *f* Aug 11 01:21:59 *g* Aug 11 01:22:14 need alien so's that i can make targ's and then ipk them Aug 11 01:22:18 * jomat is doing the same on a NSLU2 :-) Aug 11 01:22:24 hell yeah Aug 11 01:22:30 jomat :D Aug 11 01:22:33 haha, evil Aug 11 01:22:38 one of us! :] Aug 11 01:22:42 *gg* Aug 11 01:22:55 jomat: did you hear my next project? Aug 11 01:23:02 no :P Aug 11 01:23:04 do we want to? :P Aug 11 01:23:10 No, im' more or less idle :-) Aug 11 01:23:11 hahahaha Aug 11 01:23:15 a google-earth like gps app, reminiscent of tango Aug 11 01:23:24 gah Aug 11 01:23:28 THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! Aug 11 01:23:37 * Dave challenges rooly Aug 11 01:23:43 meh, diversity apps kinda blow Aug 11 01:23:50 uhh, duh? Aug 11 01:23:51 Ahm, ppl, I've to go to bed :-) Aug 11 01:23:53 :) Aug 11 01:23:56 the quickening is upon us Aug 11 01:24:01 Bye Jomat Aug 11 01:24:08 hrm Aug 11 01:24:09 n8! Aug 11 01:24:12 niklauz :D Aug 11 01:24:17 which gui api to use... Aug 11 01:24:24 *gg* (nice idea) Aug 11 01:24:34 i'd use the internal irrlicht one, but then i lose my threading Aug 11 01:24:46 needs more german Aug 11 01:24:55 rooly, and yeah, that kind of blows :P Aug 11 01:25:22 man, it'd be nice if sound worked on this pc... Aug 11 01:25:32 and i'm wary of the gtk+ gui, since it's been faulty with my OM image Aug 11 01:25:55 Faulty? how so? Aug 11 01:26:09 well for one, tangogps doesnt render the maps at all Aug 11 01:26:29 for another, when using the keyboard, the windows don't redraw when scrolled Aug 11 01:26:35 Wtf? Aug 11 01:26:46 bad luck? Aug 11 01:26:48 they don't redraw at all actually Aug 11 01:26:54 hah! Aug 11 01:26:57 so, i've gotta type and hope Aug 11 01:27:03 scary Aug 11 01:27:06 pull down the keyboard, and retry if i messed up Aug 11 01:27:10 only with gtk apps tho Aug 11 01:27:47 ick Aug 11 01:27:55 man what the fuck image is this on, anyway? Aug 11 01:27:57 ASU? SHR? Aug 11 01:28:09 the om2008.8.5 image, upgraded Aug 11 01:28:11 GTK seems to work fine for me, on all GTK versions thus far... :P Aug 11 01:28:13 ahah Aug 11 01:28:19 I hear 2008 is a barrel of laughs Aug 11 01:28:38 and temporary piece of shit/fail :P Aug 11 01:29:00 2008.8 is supposed to be nice (eye candy wise, I suppose) Aug 11 01:29:09 20080808 was said to be rather explosive :p Aug 11 01:29:49 it's rather nice Aug 11 01:29:56 i'm not using the 080808 image Aug 11 01:30:08 :P Aug 11 01:30:15 Not that daring, huh? ;p Aug 11 01:30:27 hahaha, from what i've heard, my pre-release version is more stable Aug 11 01:30:46 hrm Aug 11 01:30:52 what do i want to use for my gui Aug 11 01:30:54 I think I'm going to play more games on the freerunner now :p Aug 11 01:31:06 rooly, something that doesn't totally suck? Aug 11 01:31:17 Man, I'd even be happy if you settled with SDL :P Aug 11 01:31:22 i could probably manage using SDL gui Aug 11 01:31:28 :D Aug 11 01:31:30 ;) Aug 11 01:31:38 thread the 3d/2d engine's rendering Aug 11 01:31:44 yep Aug 11 01:31:46 it'd be hot Aug 11 01:31:54 and hopefully not terribly slow, either :) Aug 11 01:31:55 fuck Aug 11 01:32:04 well, the 3d will probably be slow Aug 11 01:32:06 I need to compile fb for om Aug 11 01:32:08 :D Aug 11 01:32:51 i just figured out how i'm gonna do it Aug 11 01:32:52 Fuck, I mean, that alone would be a decent selling point, hah! Aug 11 01:32:58 rooly, wonderful. Aug 11 01:33:04 Now find out how to get a keyboard working with X :) Aug 11 01:33:31 thread the rendering, and only redraw the rendered view after it's update itself Aug 11 01:33:39 but keep the gui responsive Aug 11 01:34:17 duh? Aug 11 01:34:32 That's nice, but some of us have bigger priorities :P Aug 11 01:34:40 yeah, like...talking on irc Aug 11 01:34:46 i meant the implementation, dave Aug 11 01:35:16 since the gui would be partially transparent in the best case Aug 11 01:35:37 haha Aug 11 01:35:40 Yeah I know ;) Aug 11 01:35:56 Meanwhile, Qtopia's slick, but there's no apps for it. :P Aug 11 01:35:57 and keeping a transparent gui on top of a threaded render is rather difficult Aug 11 01:36:19 difficult to run smoothly Aug 11 01:36:51 * cjb made a bloggy: http://blog.printf.net/articles/2008/08/11/an-openmoko-bike-ride Aug 11 01:37:10 heh, you finally did it, eh cjb? ;) Aug 11 01:37:34 yup, the planet aligned Aug 11 01:37:42 :) Aug 11 01:37:53 I think the fall from the crappy bike holder broke my AUX button, though Aug 11 01:38:00 cjb, aww shit Aug 11 01:38:00 what's the gps-dev written in? Aug 11 01:38:05 I was afraid it might fall Aug 11 01:38:08 :| Aug 11 01:38:12 it doesn't seem to depress anymore. probably fixable just by taking off the front cover and stuff. Aug 11 01:38:21 rooly: hiss Aug 11 01:38:29 cjb, probably Aug 11 01:38:36 Dave: it did pretty well for a 5-10mph fall, just little paint chips on the front and the AUX thing Aug 11 01:38:37 did it break or get jammed? Aug 11 01:38:41 wow Aug 11 01:38:41 i wish they had a holster for the Neo Aug 11 01:38:44 I think it might be jammed in Aug 11 01:38:45 yeah Aug 11 01:38:52 hard to tell whether it's jammed in or jammed out Aug 11 01:38:54 thing's built linux tough, huh? :p Aug 11 01:39:09 s/fall/skim across the tarmac Aug 11 01:40:19 ah, whee Aug 11 01:40:25 cjb, what app was that Aug 11 01:40:28 tango? Aug 11 01:40:36 on the asu stack? Aug 11 01:40:47 oh, by the way, cjb, one minor issue, I didn't want to offset your good mood *heehee* Aug 11 01:40:54 rooly, no, tangogps, for gtk Aug 11 01:41:00 rooly|away: yup Aug 11 01:41:08 ah Aug 11 01:41:14 tango written in GTK, running on FSO Aug 11 01:41:18 Dave: yup, what's up? Aug 11 01:41:23 oh, ok Aug 11 01:41:44 cjb, remember that good 'ol offset bug (xserver-kdrive-glamo)? ;) Aug 11 01:41:49 yup Aug 11 01:41:49 i'm using the 08.8/5 version of it, and it quite refuses to draw the map Aug 11 01:41:53 or connect to the gps Aug 11 01:42:11 I know some people are still having problems with scummvm.. I've never used that, it's not gonna be the same bug Aug 11 01:42:17 yeah :P Aug 11 01:42:33 I am having problems with scummvm, but noticed a distinct problem independent of it Aug 11 01:42:38 it sounds like the scummvm thing is a visual bug rather than a touchscreen one, is that right? Aug 11 01:42:42 or is it purely touchscreen? Aug 11 01:42:49 oh, what's the independent one? Aug 11 01:42:52 cjb, no it's touch screen Aug 11 01:42:57 in scummvm Aug 11 01:43:08 but it seems to be the application which is fucking up, it's hard to tell Aug 11 01:43:19 yeah, something sounds weird Aug 11 01:43:25 you can fix it by dragging the cursor to a side in scummvm and slowly dragging it back out Aug 11 01:43:30 it's a pita Aug 11 01:43:33 I guess I should try it out Aug 11 01:43:39 does it use the same resolution etc? Aug 11 01:43:48 also when the screen scrolls in scummvm it fucks up the alignment if the pointer is being held at the same time Aug 11 01:43:57 cjb, more or less :P Aug 11 01:44:10 it hax two bars, one at top and one at bottom, so I'd say not quite Aug 11 01:44:15 has, rather Aug 11 01:44:40 scumvm eh? [;aying spacequest and leisure suit larry? Aug 11 01:44:46 cjb, anyway, not to spoil our productive digression into scummvm, which I am very interested in (as I just launched a game in it) :) Aug 11 01:45:26 cjb, I experienced the offset bug again (with the WORKING fix), temporarily, after switching to landscape view and letting the screensaver activate (lock screen) Aug 11 01:45:51 after unlocking, it appears to be fucked up again, until you swap orientations again. Aug 11 01:46:28 Also, it seems illogical for the screensaver to force the user's display into portrait, regardless, is there an easy way around this? Aug 11 01:46:54 At the very least, if the user was in landscape, it could do the screensaver in portrait, then after unlocking swap it back to whatever they had? :) Aug 11 01:46:59 or is that too hard to keep track of? ;) Aug 11 01:47:59 Dave: if you have an interest http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/projects/power.html (yeah, i'm not a web designer, hehe) Aug 11 01:48:06 and i'm off to make dinner Aug 11 01:48:40 :D Aug 11 01:48:42 Thanks Linty. Aug 11 01:49:56 Ieatlint, you know there is already a half-assed german developed app for gtk which does this? :P Aug 11 01:50:22 anyway, if this is hot, I'll package it and give it a nice app icon :) Aug 11 01:51:14 * Dave ponders whether cjb got absorbed by scummvm Aug 11 01:52:20 ieatlint: You're such a good programmer! Aug 11 01:52:34 i did not know Aug 11 01:52:43 :P Aug 11 01:52:49 * Dave wonders how good of a chef he is Aug 11 01:53:35 hah Aug 11 01:53:57 steak, pasta, green beans and grilled corn on the cob... interested? :P Aug 11 01:54:25 Dave: wow, weird Aug 11 01:54:30 Dave: which distro are you running? Aug 11 01:54:41 Dave: haven't seen that, but I also don't have a screensaver (past "blank screen") Aug 11 01:55:03 cjb, I believe it's supposedly 2007.2? Aug 11 01:55:17 gotcha. Aug 11 01:55:35 I frequently use the "Dim only, don't lock." Aug 11 01:55:47 Which really is dim then use the stupid screensaver lock screen :P Aug 11 01:56:01 they should really rename that too, it's very misleading Aug 11 01:56:12 since Dim first then lock, really is "Suspend" Aug 11 01:56:28 Locking the phone is like "Hold" to me Aug 11 01:56:34 fuck, if only it had a hold button :) Aug 11 01:56:45 speaking of which, I may try to write that app if I have time. Aug 11 01:56:52 Someone else seemed interested at my earlier thoughts on that. Aug 11 01:57:12 Since the freerunner unnecessarily wastes power as it is. Aug 11 01:57:48 cjb, but as for the screensaver, when you're out of it, I just rotate twice and it solves the problem (effectively "resetting" the orientation from fresh, I believe). Aug 11 01:58:00 But still :) Aug 11 01:58:31 cjb, if you're interested though, I'd be glad to hear your thoughts or observations of scummvm, if you get a chance to try it out. Aug 11 01:58:52 I mean, heck, the primary reason I had been hounding people here about the orientation bug was such that I could finally launch and use it :P Aug 11 01:59:34 the pointer problem makes it particularly unfriendly, but eventually the lack of keypresses or the ability to dropdown the keyboard momentarily to say, SAVE GAME provides a greater concern :p Aug 11 02:00:05 cjb: it's also possible that it's popped the switch right off the board. Aug 11 02:00:14 cjb: do you get any rattles if you shake it? Aug 11 02:00:19 I was so excited when alphaone finally threw me a working version of your blamo patch, I played it for hours, then realizing I had no way to save it, sadly. Aug 11 02:00:32 Speedevil, that's always a fun one. Aug 11 02:00:53 Dave: specially if it takes the pads. Aug 11 02:01:01 eek Aug 11 02:01:25 oh but if you're interested maybe tomorrow or tuesday I'll try to take a picture of the mount we got fabricated for us for our cars Aug 11 02:01:36 since we're doing a car related project with freerunners Aug 11 02:02:00 they're pretty fucking sturdy and snugly cushioned dash mounts :) Aug 11 02:02:22 beats duct taping a freerunner to your dashboard :P Aug 11 02:02:42 There are eleventy-million clamp-phone holders out there. Aug 11 02:02:53 heh Aug 11 02:02:58 :o Aug 11 02:03:07 But not all will work well. Aug 11 02:03:20 * SpeedEvil stabs USB connectors. Aug 11 02:03:21 clearly not Aug 11 02:03:24 haha Aug 11 02:03:25 agreed :p Aug 11 02:03:36 stab it good! Aug 11 02:03:40 (as they can't dock reliably without stupidly accurate guides) Aug 11 02:03:54 ah, yeah Aug 11 02:03:55 :( Aug 11 02:04:12 It's rather depressing. Aug 11 02:04:32 I'm making a mag-power like thingy for my laptop. Aug 11 02:05:08 Which carries power and USB, and is immune to shorts between wires to simplify mechanical design. Aug 11 02:06:00 nyay! Aug 11 02:06:07 a worthy cause Aug 11 02:12:00 ieatlint, I'll give you some sweet stuff for your power app tomorrow :] Aug 11 02:12:27 oh and hot shit, if you can read the german too, you're already ahead of me :P Aug 11 02:18:59 SpeedEvil: yhou should make a magpower-to-mini-usb adapter; I like mini-usb because it's standard - I don't have to worry about carrying a charging cable since most evereyone has a miniusb cable I can borrow current from Aug 11 02:19:08 anyone give 2008.8 a try? Aug 11 02:21:39 chillywilly, Yup. Aug 11 02:22:04 bah this fricken 2GB microSD is pissing me off Aug 11 02:24:07 so no new builds or updates to 2008.8 yet? Aug 11 02:24:14 Ken-Young: how is it? Aug 11 02:25:19 I am trying to flash the 2008.08 to my GTA02 and I am getting dfu_download error -62 Aug 11 02:25:22 chillywilly, Well, there's good and bad. If you try it, be aware that the system seems VERY sluggish after the first boot. Be sure to reboot after it first comes up. Aug 11 02:25:23 any ideas? Aug 11 02:25:55 chillywilly, The dialer works well, and suspend/resume works pretty well - I haven't missed any calls with it. Aug 11 02:26:07 nice, how is the SMS app? Aug 11 02:26:16 because the qtopia one works very nicely... Aug 11 02:26:19 chillywilly, In terms of phone functionality, it's probably the best distribution do far. Aug 11 02:26:36 I am trying to flash the 2008.8 to my GTA02 and I am getting dfu_download error -62 Aug 11 02:26:44 are they using the qtopia SMS app? Aug 11 02:27:07 It was actually the only app that seemed to be usable for me with all the nagios pages I get... Aug 11 02:27:07 RayDar: no need to post twice, people saw your question :) Aug 11 02:27:09 chillywilly, I have not tried SMS, but ANYTHING having to do with the keyboard is frustrating, because the keyboard is quite annoying. Aug 11 02:27:26 they didn't "borrow" the qtopia predictive keyboard? Aug 11 02:27:31 that thing is nice Aug 11 02:28:03 I need FFF (fat finger functionality) ;) Aug 11 02:28:20 chillywilly, I find the predictive keyboard to be absolutely the worst feature. Aug 11 02:28:34 is this the one from qtopia? Aug 11 02:28:43 speaking of keyboards FSO is great but i wish i could remive the "zoom" feature, just having the key popup above my finger press works fine Aug 11 02:28:55 DOH Aug 11 02:28:57 I have a GTA01 Aug 11 02:29:00 cause i'm ussually only off by a key Aug 11 02:29:07 chillywilly, I think so. I'm biased towards styluses, so you may disagree. Aug 11 02:29:12 I like the one in qtopia a lot...it also has handwritign recognition Aug 11 02:29:12 Is the 2008.8 release available for GTA01? Aug 11 02:29:18 handwriting Aug 11 02:29:35 RayDar, I don't think so. Aug 11 02:29:51 I think I'll try 2008.8 and see how it goes :) Aug 11 02:30:07 chillywilly, It's worth trying out. Aug 11 02:30:33 chillywilly, *especially* if you like the qtopia keyboard. Aug 11 02:30:51 I'v been running qtopia proper for a while so I am used to it Aug 11 02:31:15 Uber lame Aug 11 02:31:26 chillywilly, You'll probably be a happy guy with 2008.8, then. Aug 11 02:31:54 is there any image out there that can do sms? Aug 11 02:32:04 RayDar, There are people discussing how to get it on GTA01 - it needs to be shrunk a bit. Aug 11 02:32:26 kduboi1, I have done SMS with 2007.2 . Aug 11 02:32:55 Ken-Young: Thanks for the info. Aug 11 02:34:02 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re816879d672c 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): update illume and efl - dockwin (softmenu) works better. looks to me to have Aug 11 02:34:55 RayDar, Sorry I don't know much. Aug 11 02:38:17 http://lifehacker.com/400148/iphone-20-jailbreak-apps-you-cant-find-in-the-itunes-store Aug 11 02:38:22 whoops Aug 11 02:38:30 wrong place Aug 11 02:46:24 staticwave_ace: at the moment! Aug 11 02:46:32 * SpeedEvil wants OM-iphone Aug 11 02:48:02 if u buy these they will build more Aug 11 02:49:47 hello Aug 11 02:50:12 are these freerunner motherboards single or multi layer boards/?? Aug 11 02:50:18 why can't I boot off my micro sd card Aug 11 02:50:28 linuxxr: haha Aug 11 02:50:32 linuxxr: Sorry Aug 11 02:50:43 linuxxr: All mobile phones are over 4 layer boards Aug 11 02:50:44 i cant even get my card to partition correctly Aug 11 02:50:46 there is a defualt boot entry that should work but ti doesn't work and I tired adding a new entyr and everyttime I save it saves then ereases the entrty Aug 11 02:51:12 linuxxr: maybe even over 6 in some cases for dense phones. Aug 11 02:51:15 i wanna use cfdisk cause im a noob Aug 11 02:51:19 I don't get why it can't save I'm a bi tconfused Aug 11 02:52:32 could I just install grub lol Aug 11 02:53:00 wats your nand version? Aug 11 02:55:11 speedevil i remember a remark about using less of the card for the 2 partitions to solve this is this correct? Aug 11 02:56:22 linuxxr: sorry - no idea. Aug 11 02:56:33 linuxxr: not tried booting of SD Aug 11 02:56:40 ok Aug 11 02:57:52 i have to new uboot very new kernel and i think 2008.8 might go on the sd Aug 11 02:58:25 im getting 3 2gig cards Aug 11 02:58:36 an another battery Aug 11 02:59:06 which boot menu are you supposed to flash from? Aug 11 02:59:11 NAND or NOR? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 11 02:59:57 2008