**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 12 02:59:56 2008 Aug 12 03:02:40 I have a clean 2008.8 up and running off SD. Can someone please help me get over the line with resolv.conf as I can't seem to ping out over the usb0 but can see the gateway 192.168.0.200 Aug 12 03:03:06 resolve.conf does have 'nameserver 192.168.0.200' Aug 12 03:03:31 is 192.168.0.200 a name server? Aug 12 03:04:12 dingman, not sure, standard Ubuntu desktop machine ... real nameserver is via router @ 192.168.0.1 Aug 12 03:04:25 That probably means no. Aug 12 03:04:57 Unless you're running Bind, dnsmasq, or something similar Aug 12 03:05:07 but you'd probably know if you were Aug 12 03:05:59 easiest way to check would be 'netstat -tuln | egrep :53' Aug 12 03:07:06 if you've got masquerading set up right, you could just change the IP in /etc/resolv.conf to match what the desktop uses. Aug 12 03:07:08 dingman, result 'udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:5353 0.0.0.0:*' Aug 12 03:07:23 yeah, that's not the right kind of nameserver Aug 12 03:08:27 dingman, desktop resolv.conf = 'nameserver 192.168.0.1' and btw, desktop is 192.168.0.4 Aug 12 03:09:21 that's going to be a problem... are you on the support@lists.openmokoorg list? Aug 12 03:10:50 dingman, no. I managed to get FSO stack to work so I'm a little puzzled. Aug 12 03:12:50 It's not a problem with the phone, but you shouldn't be using the same IP range on both sides of a gateway Aug 12 03:12:51 dingman, don't want to waste your time, is there a link on the wiki I have missed or should be using ? Aug 12 03:13:00 in this case, the desktop is a gateway. Aug 12 03:13:34 I think the wiki might have been enhanced after that thread, but it's really a TCP/IP question. Aug 12 03:14:17 look on your machine an copy your nameserver address to that file on freerunner Aug 12 03:14:37 .oO(how many peple will have learned how nat with iptables works after openmoko?) Aug 12 03:14:39 maybe not Aug 12 03:14:52 many Aug 12 03:15:05 me included Aug 12 03:15:07 linuxxr, hipitihop that's not going to be good enough if both the usb and lan on his desktop are using the same IP subnet Aug 12 03:15:47 hipitihop, I'm not worried about the time. It just took a lot of words to explain. Aug 12 03:16:56 * hipitihop reads http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking again Aug 12 03:18:32 * hipitihop sees http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/support/2008-August/001283.html is relevant to him Aug 12 03:19:32 Is OE down? Aug 12 03:19:51 hipitihop, yes, that's the thread I was after! Aug 12 03:20:13 =D Aug 12 03:21:06 I'm on my freerunner connected to wifi chatting on here! Aug 12 03:21:15 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/support/2008-August/001288.html Aug 12 03:22:21 Pyrasi, cool Aug 12 03:22:51 pidgin works pretty well Aug 12 03:24:59 irssi ftw Aug 12 03:25:31 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r0fb1e543db99 10/packages/openmoko-projects/openmoko-community-repository.bb: [openmoko-community-repository] Modify the URL Aug 12 03:27:03 Do I have to do anything special with moko makefile to build gta02 images? Aug 12 03:29:10 make setup-machine-freerunner Aug 12 03:55:58 dingman, hmmm.. reconfigured FR to use 192.168.1.202 and 192.168.1.200 as gateway and same for desktop. Restarted networking on both and successfully ssh back into FR, but still can't get out. Do I need to restart iptables on the desktop too ? Aug 12 04:11:27 openmoko: 03tick * r4595 10/trunk/src/host/opkg-utils/opkg.py: [opkg-util] adding Size support when creating Packages Aug 12 04:19:18 dingman, still about ? Aug 12 04:21:22 for a bit Aug 12 04:22:24 dingman, I guess I'm just having basic TCP issue but I have switched neo to seperate sub-net and still no joy, what am I missing Aug 12 04:23:06 neo now on 192.168.1.202 ...desktop gateway is 192.168.1.200 ... rest of network is 192.168.0.x Aug 12 04:24:16 netmask? Aug 12 04:24:20 255.255.255.248 Aug 12 04:25:14 rooly|away, http://pastebin.com/m25724c42 Aug 12 04:26:13 om2008.8? Aug 12 04:26:30 oh, ok Aug 12 04:26:33 i never got that to work Aug 12 04:26:33 hipitihop, looks OK at first glance. Aug 12 04:26:34 rooly|away, but still need to run 'sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.1.200 netmask 255.255.255.248' on desk to get ssh to fr Aug 12 04:26:45 ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 Aug 12 04:26:55 echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Aug 12 04:26:55 iptables -A FORWARD -j ACCEPT Aug 12 04:26:55 iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -o eth3 -j MASQUERADE Aug 12 04:27:02 change eth3 to ethx Aug 12 04:27:04 all under sudo, of course Aug 12 04:27:31 rooly|away, yes to 2008.8 Aug 12 04:27:31 hipitihop: did you ifconfig usb0 192.168.1.202 ? Aug 12 04:27:40 on the phone Aug 12 04:27:52 hipitihop, shouldn't ifup do the trick? Aug 12 04:28:17 can anyone here help me troubleshoot boot from SD? Aug 12 04:28:54 kernel boots OK...but rootfs does not init Aug 12 04:29:56 undrwater, right after I get it to work for me... Aug 12 04:30:09 dingman: have you gotten kernel to boot? Aug 12 04:30:14 yes Aug 12 04:30:25 so you're in the same boat as i am? Aug 12 04:30:42 rooly|away, dingman http://pastebin.com/m2f2f5c1c Aug 12 04:30:45 stops with an error about opening the console Aug 12 04:31:18 I cann ssh to FR but can only ping desktop i.e. 192.168.1.200 but not out to internet Aug 12 04:31:27 dingman: that's further than i get...i'm getting "no init found" kernel panic Aug 12 04:31:34 you've got to do routing Aug 12 04:31:39 on the phone Aug 12 04:31:46 also, your netmasks mismatch... Aug 12 04:31:54 but yes, you neet a gateway line Aug 12 04:32:03 route del default Aug 12 04:32:03 route del default Aug 12 04:32:03 route add default gw 192.168.0.1 Aug 12 04:32:13 netmask 255.255.255.0 ftw Aug 12 04:32:26 rooly|away, on neo ? Aug 12 04:32:28 can we please teach people to use 'ip' rather than 'ifconfig' and 'route'? Aug 12 04:32:29 yes Aug 12 04:32:44 ip can do stuff the older tools can't. Aug 12 04:32:53 more importantly, it shows you stuff they don't Aug 12 04:32:56 * undrwater is not aware of ip Aug 12 04:32:57 can't the phone's networking toosl work automatically Aug 12 04:33:25 rooly|away, other than possibly changing the 3rd octet, the phone's default set-up should be fine. Aug 12 04:33:36 is it part of busybox or other package? Aug 12 04:33:41 should is not the same as is Aug 12 04:33:54 on a full system it's a separate package... just a sec Aug 12 04:34:15 on the neo it's in busybox. Aug 12 04:35:07 ip addr add
/ dev Aug 12 04:35:42 ip route add / via Aug 12 04:35:42 ok, it's bed time Aug 12 04:36:00 rooly|away, 'route del default' was fine but 'route add default gw 192.168.0.1' failed with "route: SIOCADDRT: No such process" Aug 12 04:36:10 is? same as ? Aug 12 04:36:22 not exactly Aug 12 04:36:46 An IP or netmask has 32 bits Aug 12 04:37:07 in a netmask, all of them from the left are 1 up to a point where they switch to 0 Aug 12 04:37:26 so typically 24? Aug 12 04:37:32 EG, 255.255.255.0 => binary 11111111 11111111 11111111 00000000 Aug 12 04:37:37 24, yes Aug 12 04:37:45 the Neo uses a /26 Aug 12 04:37:52 for usb Aug 12 04:38:00 yes Aug 12 04:38:07 ipcalc! Aug 12 04:38:21 :) Aug 12 04:38:29 coolio Aug 12 04:38:41 one tool to rule them all Aug 12 04:38:48 same info, more compact way to write it Aug 12 04:39:24 why 26 btw? if anyone knows that Aug 12 04:39:54 I assume they wanted to pick something small to make it more likely home users could easily partition their networks. Aug 12 04:40:17 then why not /30 Aug 12 04:40:28 Beats me Aug 12 04:40:30 speaking of partitions...how did you partition your SD dingman? Aug 12 04:40:45 eg, 2 hosts + network + broadcast Aug 12 04:41:15 dingman, sorry but where to now ? trying to add the default route failed. Should I be using some other approach ? Aug 12 04:41:35 undrwater, 179 0 495488 mmcblk0/ 179 1 8032 mmcblk0p1/ 179 2 487368 mmcblk0p2 Aug 12 04:41:44 on which device? Aug 12 04:42:09 what does 'ip route' show on each? Aug 12 04:43:06 neo says 192.168.1.0/24 dev usb0 src 192.168.1.202 Aug 12 04:43:34 no other lines? Aug 12 04:43:46 not on neo Aug 12 04:43:55 dingman: i don't see filesystem there... Aug 12 04:44:22 hipitihop, ip route add default via 192.168.1.200 Aug 12 04:44:34 undrwater, partition info from my SD. Aug 12 04:44:53 8Mb on partition 1, the rest in partition 2 Aug 12 04:45:14 dingman: but fat? ext2? Aug 12 04:45:16 partition 1 is a fat32 with uImage.bin Aug 12 04:45:20 ok Aug 12 04:45:22 2 is ext2 Aug 12 04:45:30 so, is ASU worth using, looks like it has some pretty nasty bugs Aug 12 04:45:31 right...hmm...same here Aug 12 04:45:32 ? Aug 12 04:45:37 mmontour: thanks again Aug 12 04:47:01 doc|home, I've been using it for phonecalls and receiving SMS today. Can't seem to send 'cause the send button won't click :/ Aug 12 04:47:58 dignman ok new ip route shows: 192.168.1.0/24 dev usb0 src 192.168.1.202 and default via 192.168.1.200 dev usb0 Aug 12 04:47:58 doc|home: np - did you get that Qtopia PIN thing working? Aug 12 04:48:17 mmontour: nope, going to just reflash it. was looking at asu but the wiki page is kinda scaring me off Aug 12 04:48:26 hipitihop, can you ping anything now? Aug 12 04:48:39 dingman, only the desktop still Aug 12 04:49:01 dingman, should I pastebin desktop ip route ? Aug 12 04:49:26 Pastebin me that plus 'iptables -t nat -vnL' and 'iptables -vnL' Aug 12 04:49:40 hello people Aug 12 04:50:05 yes, just the desktop at this point. Aug 12 04:50:47 dingman, neo side or both Aug 12 04:51:32 hipitihop, all the routing tables and iptables rules from the filter and nat tables Aug 12 04:51:50 and mangle if you've touched it, but if you have just clear that table. Aug 12 04:51:56 hey could some one remindme how to make tangps to remember the location of the maps in the sd_card Aug 12 04:52:09 please Aug 12 04:53:37 ulix, would if I could Aug 12 04:53:50 jejeje Aug 12 04:53:51 ok Aug 12 04:54:16 i tough the gurus gere in here Aug 12 04:54:38 ulix, often they are Aug 12 04:54:58 seems like they might be busy making things better or something Aug 12 04:55:31 drinking beer? Aug 12 04:55:38 free beer? Aug 12 04:55:43 lest hope for it, but the last thing they made was the om2008 based on Qtopia Aug 12 04:55:59 and it dont really work well Aug 12 04:56:12 i'm stiking to Om2007.2 Aug 12 04:56:31 2007.2 had an SMS bug I couldn't live with. Aug 12 04:56:34 dingman, ok http://pastebin.com/m30ed5c47 Aug 12 04:57:52 I have noticed but at least i can make call Aug 12 04:57:54 s Aug 12 04:58:43 i dont know if is just mee or all the phone but the Qtopia base images are just to heavy Aug 12 04:58:58 POSTROUTING nat rule has the wrong source ip range - doesn't match your new network. Aug 12 04:59:29 dingman, line number ? Aug 12 04:59:40 25 Aug 12 04:59:59 also, two default routes on the same machine is always bad. Aug 12 05:00:09 kill the one on line 17 Aug 12 05:00:24 whereis the flash mem in /dev? Aug 12 05:00:52 /dev/mmcblk* Aug 12 05:01:05 er. mtdblock* Aug 12 05:01:13 first one was SD card Aug 12 05:02:07 yeah tnx Aug 12 05:03:00 well seya folks Aug 12 05:03:08 no problem. I asked the same question a few nights ago :) Aug 12 05:04:33 dingman, what should the POSTROUTING lines be ? Aug 12 05:05:30 well, the command to get it would be "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.192/26 -j MASQUERADE" Aug 12 05:05:40 And get rid of the one that's there. Aug 12 05:06:41 if you leave them both in place, you'll confuse the heck out of everything. Aug 12 05:07:49 sorry, lines 6 and 9 in pastebin are from my desktop /etc/network/interfaces so can't I just change there ? sorry to be a TCP noob Aug 12 05:08:45 six and nine are correct Aug 12 05:09:00 so you probably just need to kill the stupid existing rule Aug 12 05:09:20 try 'iptables -t nat -D POSTROUTING 1' Aug 12 05:10:04 iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $INT -j MASQUERADE Aug 12 05:10:31 where $INT is interface Aug 12 05:10:47 http://p.zash.se/EeR_hA.txt Aug 12 05:12:08 note that that script is a pos Aug 12 05:12:33 zash, $INT is USB0 ? Aug 12 05:12:36 zash, yeah, that rule would work, too. Aug 12 05:12:49 hipitihop, no Aug 12 05:13:17 * hipitihop notes he has to make time to study networking and iptables in more depth Aug 12 05:13:21 the reason I didn't use that method is that I don't know your outbound interface Aug 12 05:13:28 it's probably eth0 or wlan0 Aug 12 05:13:57 dingman, my outbound interfaace is eth1 I believe which is my wireless connection Aug 12 05:14:05 or that Aug 12 05:14:29 see why I matched based on the neo source instead :) Aug 12 05:14:51 anyone using qtopia that can tell me how to switch off pin lock? even a reflash didn't remove it Aug 12 05:15:04 it's not accepting my pin Aug 12 05:15:31 isn't that a SIM setting? Aug 12 05:15:42 yes, it is Aug 12 05:16:14 so surviving reflash is expected Aug 12 05:16:18 dingman: echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Aug 12 05:16:51 zash: mine works fine. Aug 12 05:16:53 oh, arse, so why isn't it accepting my pin. Was asking for puk code when it booted, then that screen disappeared Aug 12 05:17:01 * doc|home abandons proper english Aug 12 05:17:10 zash: I'm just trying to help hipitihop Aug 12 05:17:27 mkay Aug 12 05:17:54 And I usually do that sudo trick with dd instead ;) Aug 12 05:18:03 or sysctl -w Aug 12 05:18:09 hipitihop: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Aug 12 05:18:11 then Aug 12 05:18:15 dingman, confused :( just would like definitive interfaces file sections for bot neo and desktop Aug 12 05:19:15 hipitihop, they can't be right without knowing the rest of the network you're on. Aug 12 05:19:42 where do I run /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Aug 12 05:19:54 hipitihop: you write "1" to it Aug 12 05:19:54 it's not a command, it's a setting. Aug 12 05:20:10 hipitihop: like `echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward` Aug 12 05:20:12 zash's command should work Aug 12 05:20:58 hipitihop: that and any of above mentioned iptables-command should give you NAT Aug 12 05:21:06 to make it more permanent, put 'net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1' in the file /etc/sysctl.conf on your desktop Aug 12 05:21:38 If a Freerunner running 2008.8 goes into the suspend state while attached to a compter via the USB, does it continue charging while it is suspended? Aug 12 05:21:41 echo "1" /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Aug 12 05:21:53 swc|666: > Aug 12 05:22:03 swc|666: and you need su-privs Aug 12 05:22:07 ehco "1" > Aug 12 05:22:15 what is 'tee' after sudo ? Aug 12 05:22:17 su ftl... root ftw Aug 12 05:22:24 swc|666: like `echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward` Aug 12 05:22:41 hipitihop: tee, works like a T-pipe Aug 12 05:22:44 real men dont sudo ;) Aug 12 05:22:45 hipitihop, it's a trick to get io redirection through sudo. Aug 12 05:23:02 swc|666, real men don't have root passwords! Aug 12 05:23:09 hipitihop: it writes input to all arguments and stdout Aug 12 05:23:13 ok Aug 12 05:23:27 REAL PROGRAMMERS USE BUTTERFLIES Aug 12 05:23:42 * dingman is not a real programmer Aug 12 05:24:06 me neither, i use vim Aug 12 05:24:25 emacs for me Aug 12 05:25:01 really should sleep. Aug 12 05:25:16 http://pic.zash.se/editor_learning_curves.jpg Aug 12 05:25:36 dingman, done in cli, but still can't ping out from neo Aug 12 05:25:54 hipitihop: what have you done? Aug 12 05:26:19 ??? Aug 12 05:26:26 you got vi right Aug 12 05:26:46 pico / nano should be ____________________ Aug 12 05:26:48 swc|666: ??? Aug 12 05:27:04 zash, 'echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' on my desktop Aug 12 05:27:25 swc|666: google the filename Aug 12 05:27:49 google what filename??? Aug 12 05:27:53 hipitihop: have you done any iptables? Aug 12 05:27:57 dingman_ZZzzzz, enjoy the zzz's, thanks for your help Aug 12 05:28:28 swc|666: google images "editor learning curves" Aug 12 05:28:30 zash, only whatever dingman suggested Aug 12 05:28:38 hm Aug 12 05:28:39 fsck all that Aug 12 05:28:49 * swc|666 isn't a n00b Aug 12 05:29:20 hipitihop: `sudo iptables-save` and pastebin it Aug 12 05:29:41 swc|666: enyoy fscking the interwebs then ;) Aug 12 05:29:53 do u partner Aug 12 05:30:10 * swc|666 doesn't need a chart to see a learning curve to be cool Aug 12 05:30:27 also, learning curves is backwards Aug 12 05:30:31 what are they? Aug 12 05:30:39 get a life troll Aug 12 05:30:53 ^^ Aug 12 05:31:06 i got the phone dialing on debian lenny btw Aug 12 05:31:10 and a gui Aug 12 05:31:53 zash, details so far http://pastebin.com/m13dfedba Aug 12 05:32:17 debian > 2007.2 > 2008.2 > fso > etc Aug 12 05:32:34 wyze: as phone? Aug 12 05:32:34 wyze: why do you say that? Aug 12 05:33:09 yes, i have debian sd card install running as a phone with a (ghetto) gui :D Aug 12 05:33:20 + gprs Aug 12 05:33:25 :p Aug 12 05:33:26 can you make an receive calls? Aug 12 05:33:39 yep... whiptail tho for now on incoming Aug 12 05:33:44 hipitihop: you don't seem to have any rules Aug 12 05:33:56 what dialer? Aug 12 05:34:04 custom gtk Aug 12 05:34:16 ok Aug 12 05:34:21 wyze: you're booting SD? Aug 12 05:34:26 hipitihop: try sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s $ip_of_your_fr -j MASQUERADE Aug 12 05:34:45 i'll post it the link on my site to the lists ~tomorrow ith instructions Aug 12 05:34:55 underwater: yep Aug 12 05:34:58 hipitihop: otoh, can you ping your desktop from your neo or the reverse? Aug 12 05:34:58 * chillywilly is thirsty... Aug 12 05:35:08 underwater: no debian for flash Aug 12 05:35:10 atm Aug 12 05:35:33 wyze: i've been trying to boot SD forever now...can boot kernel but no rootfs...get the "no init found"...any advice? Aug 12 05:35:58 any magical unicorn partitioning scheme + u-boot env i need...? Aug 12 05:36:02 what is your setup Aug 12 05:36:18 currently: fat for boot, ext2 for rootfs Aug 12 05:36:24 1st part = vfat 2nd part = ext3 (noatime) Aug 12 05:36:33 then... 1 sec Aug 12 05:36:34 zash, yes both ways Aug 12 05:37:07 hipitihop: okay, then the iptables commad should work Aug 12 05:37:09 tried adding an init=/sbin/init to u-boot Aug 12 05:38:23 zash, done that but no better. btw my resolv.conf has 'nameserver 192.168.0.1' although can't ping that from fr Aug 12 05:38:43 setenv menu_9 Boot SD (FAT+ext3): setenv bootargs root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext3 rootdelay=5 console=ttySAC0,115200 console=tty0 \${mtdparts}\; mmcinit\; fatload mmc 1 0x32000000 \${sd_image_name}\; bootm 0x32000000 Aug 12 05:38:56 make sure u printenv that its right* Aug 12 05:39:42 hipitihop: do you have a dns-server on that ip, which i guess is a router of some kind if it even exists in your netwokr Aug 12 05:40:08 zash, you mean 192.168.0.1 ? Aug 12 05:40:14 yes Aug 12 05:40:45 hipitihop: what do you have in your resolv.conf on your desktop? Aug 12 05:41:06 zash, yes that does exist, it is a rea wrt54gl to which the real outside world is connected to. Aug 12 05:41:09 wyze: new is the console=...does that cure the no init deal? Aug 12 05:41:40 hipitihop: hm, those usualy dont have their own dns-servers Aug 12 05:42:00 underwater: that gives u a console on the main tty Aug 12 05:42:35 Halp. >_> Anyone else get this flashing the Freerunner?: dfu_download error -108 Aug 12 05:42:57 no one else does. you are unique :) Aug 12 05:42:59 hipitihop: so, copy your_desktop:/etc/resolv.conf to your_neo:/etc/resolv.conf Aug 12 05:43:04 wyze: but the problem seem like kernel is not passing boot to rootfs... Aug 12 05:43:13 Oh snap <_< Aug 12 05:43:36 Infinyte: maybe print what you were doing before that error? Aug 12 05:43:36 underwater: which kernel and where are u placing you kernel?? 0.o Aug 12 05:43:39 hipitihop: also, try pinging ip's, not dns-names Aug 12 05:43:43 zash, only difference is desktop also has 'search lan' Aug 12 05:44:04 wyze: qtopia (latest) and directly in the fat partition Aug 12 05:44:10 k.. Aug 12 05:44:47 hipitihop: it says "nameserver 192.168.0.1" ? Aug 12 05:44:55 Sait, nevermind. >_> I see what I did. Haha Aug 12 05:44:58 zash, yes Aug 12 05:44:58 *Wait Aug 12 05:44:59 underwater: this might be elementary, but... your mmcblkp01 is vfat and your mmcblkp02 is ext2/3, right? Aug 12 05:45:11 wyze: correct Aug 12 05:45:35 hipitihop: and ping www.google.com works? Aug 12 05:45:51 hipitihop: desktop &| neo Aug 12 05:45:56 zash, from desktop ? Aug 12 05:45:58 underwater: does your kernel support ext2/3? Aug 12 05:46:10 hipitihop: try both Aug 12 05:46:10 i ont know if the stock qtopia one does Aug 12 05:46:17 * wyze says qtopia sucks Aug 12 05:46:45 all distros use the same kernel Aug 12 05:46:49 no Aug 12 05:46:51 they dont Aug 12 05:46:57 mine is cusom built Aug 12 05:46:57 wyze: i'm making that assumption, because i've seen folks on the mailing lists boot qt...but i can try the latest from 2008.8 Aug 12 05:47:08 any which distro is yours then? Aug 12 05:47:33 iirc, latest QT uses 2008.8 kernel Aug 12 05:47:46 underwater: so build a custom git.openmoko kernel, and MAKE sure u select ext2/3 support in the make menuconfig... build it, have a coke and a smile ;) Aug 12 05:47:57 wyze: :P Aug 12 05:47:58 zash, works from desktop not neo Aug 12 05:48:01 :) Aug 12 05:48:04 iealint: debian custom neopwn.com Aug 12 05:48:04 ah well... Aug 12 05:48:33 yeah, ok, well all the distros with official participation by openmoko use the same kernel then Aug 12 05:48:46 and you're using their kernel with a custom build, seemingly Aug 12 05:50:19 how's that lint tasting? Aug 12 05:50:27 i'm using the git kernel man Aug 12 05:50:48 if u can't build it then read a book?? i dunno Aug 12 05:50:58 The average person spends 2 weeks over his/her lifetime waiting for a traffic light to change. Aug 12 05:51:22 heh Aug 12 05:51:26 hipitihop: does `host www.google.com` work on the neo Aug 12 05:51:42 zash, no Aug 12 05:51:52 must setup resolv.conf Aug 12 05:51:56 zash, sorry, what's host Aug 12 05:52:04 *thwap* Aug 12 05:52:09 hipitihop: like nslookup Aug 12 05:52:19 but not deprecated Aug 12 05:52:21 ;P Aug 12 05:52:30 chillywilly: orly :D Aug 12 05:52:36 wyze: i want to try to build...but not specifically for booting from SD...that should be relatively easy...i know i'm missing something in the process...just trying to track it down Aug 12 05:52:50 I should sleep Aug 12 05:52:54 nighty night Aug 12 05:52:58 chillywilly: me too Aug 12 05:53:08 chillywilly: morning here Aug 12 05:53:09 zash, you want me to do 'host www.google.com' on the fr ? Aug 12 05:53:09 undrwater: i'd guess your kernel doesnt have ext2/3 support for sure Aug 12 05:53:25 hipitihop: do it on both, and compare Aug 12 05:53:28 wyze: i'm guessing it has one or the other...prolly not both Aug 12 05:53:37 s/both/both desktop and neo Aug 12 05:53:43 the default .config has neither btw Aug 12 05:53:52 is 12:53AM morning? Aug 12 05:53:52 oh yeah? Aug 12 05:53:59 ;P Aug 12 05:54:16 bye Aug 12 05:54:23 wyze, that book you were referring to talk about /proc/filesystems too? Aug 12 05:54:46 zash, fails on neo, no host command, and desktop shows 4 addresses Aug 12 05:54:57 iealint: lol.. i was talkin' shit in regards to a book.. i dont think a book covers this matter Aug 12 05:55:14 yeah, i know, am talking shit back :P Aug 12 05:55:27 you got a question if it supports ext2/3, cat /proc/filesystems Aug 12 05:55:31 hipitihop: uhu, then, what dns-resolv-commands is there? Aug 12 05:55:33 if it's not listed, it no support it Aug 12 05:56:19 hipitihop: do `nslookup www.google.com` on both machines and compare/pastebin it Aug 12 05:56:37 sure... see if it is there.. most likely it isnt, @ least with the andy branch / stable branch Aug 12 05:57:01 but then again i'm a coupe of weeks off the git... so maybe its there now Aug 12 05:57:10 c/coupe/couple Aug 12 05:57:13 interesting...mmcinit shows: MMC/SD size: 511MiB Aug 12 05:57:21 but it's a 2GB card Aug 12 05:59:48 zash, http://pastebin.com/m56ac2 Aug 12 06:00:08 what card is that undrwater Aug 12 06:00:11 brand etc Aug 12 06:00:26 hipitihop: "Unknown post id, it may have expired or been deleted" Aug 12 06:00:32 not SDHC i bet Aug 12 06:00:35 sandisk Aug 12 06:00:53 what's the "etc" ;) Aug 12 06:01:34 i've been having problems formatting my 2GB card aswell Aug 12 06:01:44 zash, http://pastebin.com/m56ac2367 Aug 12 06:02:09 multiple partitions make it fail i somehow got it to read 1.6GB but god knows what will happen when it fills up Aug 12 06:02:37 i need to buy a good high capactity one Aug 12 06:02:37 hipitihop: is there a tracepath-program on the neo? Aug 12 06:02:56 hipitihop: probably tracepath or traceroute Aug 12 06:03:30 isn't the mmc supposed to start with partition "1"? Aug 12 06:03:53 ie mmc 1 is boot partition? Aug 12 06:04:04 zash, traceroute Aug 12 06:04:05 assuming typical scheme Aug 12 06:04:27 lol - I just realized I have 1973 unread mails in my openmoko mailinglist folder... Aug 12 06:04:46 ironic Aug 12 06:04:52 or coincidental Aug 12 06:04:57 <--3295 in his mailbox Aug 12 06:04:57 or some other word Aug 12 06:05:08 odd.... Aug 12 06:05:10 xD Aug 12 06:05:12 hipitihop: then, traceroute some ip's like your desktop's ip and other Aug 12 06:05:33 zash, from neo ? Aug 12 06:05:39 hipitihop: yes Aug 12 06:06:02 hipitihop: like `traceroute 64.233.187.99` (one of googles ips) Aug 12 06:07:21 OK...getting somewhre... Aug 12 06:07:41 fatls mmc 0:1 shows uImage.bin Aug 12 06:08:12 but ext2ls mmc 0:2 shows nothing Aug 12 06:08:18 zash, just gets to first hop 192.168.1.200 Aug 12 06:08:41 i should try the 512 that came with the neo Aug 12 06:08:54 zash, should the resolv.conf be 192.168.1.200 instead ? Aug 12 06:09:19 hipitihop: no Aug 12 06:09:48 zash, if it was then 192.168.1.200 would have to run a dns server ? Aug 12 06:09:58 hipitihop: yes. Aug 12 06:10:16 hipitihop: that is the ip given to the desktop in usb-networking right? Aug 12 06:11:43 zash, yes see http://pastebin.com/m13dfedba line 17 desktop. That is from my desktop interfaces file Aug 12 06:12:38 mkay Aug 12 06:12:44 zash, btw, all this time my attempts on the neo side are via an existing ssh session from desktop to neo Aug 12 06:13:22 and those settings are active Aug 12 06:13:23 ? Aug 12 06:13:32 zash, so clearly something not quite right on the desktop side to allow neo to see the rest of the network Aug 12 06:14:26 * hipitihop is concerned how much zach's time has been wasted with this Aug 12 06:15:30 bah, couldnt sleep anyways Aug 12 06:15:35 and now its morning Aug 12 06:16:17 zach, I wish I understood all the subnet and netmask stuff better as I'm sure it is related to the blokage Aug 12 06:17:10 hipitihop: thats what wikipedia is for :D Aug 12 06:17:15 what dpes events/0 represent in top? Aug 12 06:17:26 hipitihop: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIDR Aug 12 06:18:48 hipitihop: also, i'm mostly applying knowledge gatherd from poking in my server+router's iptables-script Aug 12 06:18:56 now i get: Freeing init memory: 132k Aug 12 06:19:16 blinking cursor...nothing happening yet...does it take a while? Aug 12 06:20:00 hipitihop: it seems very similar to the fact that i cant route stuff trough vpn Aug 12 06:20:11 zash, understand... poked around enoufg with my network and 2 x cojoined routers, but till now have had everything on 192.168.0.x all machines and routers Aug 12 06:20:30 previous line: VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) Aug 12 06:20:40 my load average is 2.5, and my phone isn't doing anything Aug 12 06:21:08 zash, iow, know enough to be dangerous. don't understand why this thing connected via usb to 192.168.0.4 can't see the rest including themain router Aug 12 06:21:57 hipitihop: and i have no neo, so i cant try for my self Aug 12 06:22:31 zash, infact don't understand now that dingman suggested to move neo to 192.168.1.202 why it should help Aug 12 06:22:58 * hipitihop notes so much to learn and so little time Aug 12 06:23:09 hm Aug 12 06:23:46 zash, appreciate your attempts, feel free to zzzz Aug 12 06:23:46 ieatlint: ping Aug 12 06:24:16 anyone here a dev on one of the projects hosted projects.openmoko.org? Aug 12 06:24:24 hipitihop: i cant to that now, too late :( and it were too late when i started trying to help you Aug 12 06:25:00 zash, if I do 'sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart' on my ubuntu desktop, does this reset whatever we do manually to iptables or not Aug 12 06:25:27 hipitihop: that would make sense Aug 12 06:25:58 hipitihop: duno if it purges iptables Aug 12 06:26:07 zash, I might restart everything and see what I get Aug 12 06:26:34 hipitihop: you could try doing everything from the beginning Aug 12 06:26:58 zash, everything means ? Aug 12 06:27:42 hipitihop: you were born, ... Aug 12 06:28:21 zash, if you are not sure re iptables being reset, should I restart the entire ubuntu desktop Aug 12 06:29:03 zash, assuming that would clear it. Aug 12 06:29:07 probably Aug 12 06:29:26 also, iptables -X and two other -SOME UPPERCASE LETTER Aug 12 06:29:30 can be used to reset iptables Aug 12 06:30:21 F, Z and X Aug 12 06:30:30 flush, zero, delete Aug 12 06:30:41 HULK FLUSH TABLES! Aug 12 06:36:37 rofl @ zash Aug 12 06:36:46 dude. effin classic Aug 12 06:36:49 :( Aug 12 06:36:57 :) even Aug 12 06:38:56 holy cow! :D Aug 12 06:44:40 wake up!! Aug 12 06:47:08 quiet you Aug 12 06:47:12 I'm trying to sleep Aug 12 06:48:59 * undrwater fluffs doc|home's pillow Aug 12 06:51:43 how does one get the u-boot version? Aug 12 06:52:37 boot into it and look at the very top Aug 12 06:53:57 kd8ikt: thanks Aug 12 06:54:45 /dev/mtd??? should hold the numbers too ;) Aug 12 06:56:34 kd8ikt: says Aug 11 2008...is that the version? Aug 12 06:57:04 more like build date Aug 12 06:57:16 does it have a big hex string behind it Aug 12 06:57:21 yep Aug 12 06:57:25 undrwater: tuck me in? Aug 12 06:57:34 thats the git version Aug 12 06:57:54 doc|home: your favorite story? Aug 12 06:57:58 but more or less your version is latest 2008-08-11 Aug 12 06:58:12 undrwater: hmmm, the one where george dubya gets impeached Aug 12 06:58:23 * kd8ikt cant get hydra to compile Aug 12 06:58:33 not that i will really use it... Aug 12 06:58:36 kd8ikt: OK...so i should be able to boot one large fs Aug 12 06:59:26 doc|home: once upon a time there was an oil baron who lost lots and lots of money... Aug 12 07:01:18 good morning Aug 12 07:04:25 unknown_lamer: hehe Aug 12 07:04:32 undrwater: hehehe Aug 12 07:04:34 sorry unknown_lamer Aug 12 07:08:25 what is the "s" in drwxr-sr-x Aug 12 07:08:56 undrwater: sticky! Aug 12 07:09:22 <|FiLiP|> undrwater, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky_bit Aug 12 07:09:39 |FiLiP|: thanks Aug 12 07:10:08 should OM rootfs have sticky bit? Aug 12 07:10:19 well...some of the dir's anyway Aug 12 07:11:43 should not have to Aug 12 07:11:50 <|FiLiP|> hmm, not sure (still waiting for my FR to arrive). On some dirs it makes sense, but not on all Aug 12 07:12:23 i see it on /proc /sys /mnt /media Aug 12 07:12:46 i guess those that have dynamic content? Aug 12 07:13:41 isn't everything owned by root anyways Aug 12 07:13:50 yep Aug 12 07:18:43 zash: that "s" is setgid bit - sticky is 't' as the last character. Aug 12 07:19:23 mmontour: yes, thats right! Aug 12 07:19:39 * mmontour re-enacts http://xkcd.com/386/ Aug 12 07:19:58 i got them mixed up :/ Aug 12 07:20:15 but, "group sticks to new files" ... Aug 12 07:20:57 sounded logical at least Aug 12 07:20:58 OK, so it's "a" sticky bit, but not "the" sticky bit Aug 12 07:21:30 mmontour: i didn't say it was _the_ sticky bit Aug 12 07:21:38 i only said "sticky" Aug 12 07:21:43 fair enough Aug 12 07:22:02 also, undrwater: man chmod! Aug 12 07:23:11 zash: i've done that a few times....but i usually / for what i'm looking for :P Aug 12 07:30:46 sweet hydra works Aug 12 07:31:11 need john the ripper Aug 12 07:31:16 kd8ikt: hi! I saw you have put up a respository-- can you give any details on how it is different from the others? (i.e. what other stuff is there?) Perhaps even put a little more description in the wiki... Aug 12 07:31:31 hydra mplayer openvpn iaxclient Aug 12 07:31:56 stuff i nevr found on scaredies or anyone elses Aug 12 07:32:29 nmap Aug 12 07:32:43 things i cant live without Aug 12 07:33:19 no nmap? Aug 12 07:33:52 or, you have nmap in your repo? Aug 12 07:34:29 yes its in there Aug 12 07:34:42 if it works or not i dont know Aug 12 07:35:02 to bad the wifi chip won't do monitor-mode Aug 12 07:35:18 yeah that steams my ass too Aug 12 07:35:42 kd8ikt: does the repository work with OM2007 or 200.8 (or both?) Aug 12 07:36:09 shouldnt matter what rootfs you use Aug 12 07:36:12 kd8ikt: I guess you included mplayer because it works better than the current ones? Aug 12 07:36:55 same as all the others Aug 12 07:37:20 kd8ikt: cool! is there a big chance of conflicts with repositories (like with other Linux distros and repos?) Aug 12 07:37:39 jesus christ Aug 12 07:38:20 kd8ikt: well the qtopia media player in 2008.8 didn't work for me at all (because of the issue of "where is it looking) Aug 12 07:38:29 want me to hand out warranties and disclamers aswell? Aug 12 07:38:43 like the diff between ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu etc? ;) Aug 12 07:39:09 kd8ikt: sorry, dont mean to bug you... hey if I expected "rock stable" I wouldnt be using a developer release-- I'm just asking Aug 12 07:39:26 its all dev/testing Aug 12 07:39:52 kd8ikt: sure, hand out warranties-- I'll put them next to the john, with those from Dell and Packard Hell Aug 12 07:41:08 zash: no, if you run just Ubuntu, you can use some respositories, but if you mix certain sets, they will try to replace each others files each time (certain unofficial ones dont sync with the official and sync-ed unofficial ones) Aug 12 07:42:37 kd8ikt: ok fair enough-- not trying to give grief, just asking so I'll have a heads up. My 2008.8 is getting kernels panics now instead of booting, and I consider it "par"-- I excepted some bumps and that's why it went on SD Aug 12 07:44:18 kd8ikt: Disclaimers, yes! that's what commercial companies do-- just say "It's your responsibility, we don't warranty it for any purpose" :-D Aug 12 07:45:04 read through the gpl then get back to me Aug 12 07:45:28 kd8ikt: :D Aug 12 07:46:07 kd8ikt: hehehe... ok ok, I don't expect anyone to bottle feed me software Aug 12 07:46:59 kd8ikt Aug 12 07:47:46 kd8ikt: along the lines of conflicts, are most OM packages statically compiled, without lots of dependencies? Aug 12 07:56:49 kd8ikt: I'm not a complete dumbass-- I compile stuff, edit src, program... your listing just didn't say much and I'm trying to get an idea of which OSes to give feeds without borking every aspect. I'm keeping one semi-stable, and testing much more on others Aug 12 08:00:40 hi i tried FSO M2 on the emulator.. Does it contain OM2008.08 without qtopia? Aug 12 08:05:08 ok well, I guess I must be the last of a lot of people asking annoying questions to kd8ikt Aug 12 08:06:01 Infoport, i don't think you are the last. Aug 12 08:06:01 Infoport: debian Aug 12 08:06:08 ;0 Aug 12 08:06:43 mplayer -playlist Aug 12 08:06:47 TAsn: true, he probably just wishes I was the last Aug 12 08:06:50 + shoutcast ;) Aug 12 08:08:03 swc|666: is debian on OM really that great? I haven't tried, have only seen a few people talking about it( rather than Qtopia, FSO, ASU...) Aug 12 08:08:35 swc|666: on a desktop it rocks! (Ubuntu even) Aug 12 08:08:56 hi Aug 12 08:10:53 on the moko it rocks too ;) Aug 12 08:13:14 swc|666, with debian it's only a pda right? no phone capabilities.. Aug 12 08:14:10 swc|666: how would you compare it to OM2007? (other than doing more setup yourself) A lot "just works" after cross-compiling, or do you work hard to get it rocking? Aug 12 08:15:44 Mmm KY cigarettes taste somuch better then OH... maybe because KY's arent taxed as much Aug 12 08:20:57 TAsn: we were too slow, swc quit. now we'll never find out how the debian story ends ;-) Aug 12 08:59:07 ahoi Aug 12 09:26:58 Gooooood morning. Aug 12 09:32:38 ike: Good Morning Aug 12 09:32:40 :) Aug 12 09:40:08 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r9f8a98c6c793 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: and up illume to fix softmenu Aug 12 09:40:08 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r902f0bc036bf 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev Aug 12 09:40:33 : [sita.openmoko.org]: Name or service not known Aug 12 09:40:35 huh? Aug 12 09:41:11 wow. Aug 12 09:42:16 lindi: maybe that's why those pesky duplicates are showing at lists.o.o all the time. Aug 12 09:42:39 we still do not know for sure where these come from Aug 12 09:42:57 bug gmail and yahoo and so are not really helping eithere Aug 12 09:43:10 i do not use either one Aug 12 09:43:10 eh either Aug 12 09:43:20 yes. but other people do Aug 12 09:44:06 i still want to see evidence that a mail went once to our listserver and then out multiple times (mailheaders) Aug 12 09:44:14 roh: I don't know why would GMail or Yahoo resend my messages. Aug 12 09:44:39 i have logs of a short time till they rotate away, to check what happened, but i need full headers. Aug 12 09:44:57 ike me neither. they should stick to the rfc or stay away. Aug 12 09:46:44 also its difficult to say there is something generic wrong.. we send out between 1 and 2 gbytes of smtp traffic a day Aug 12 09:47:03 for that we have very few problems ;) Aug 12 09:47:47 the most annoying problem is people with broken mailservers.. which dont take mails for days till they get bounced to hell Aug 12 09:48:50 TBH I hardly believe it's google's/yahoo's fault. I would bet it's mailman's. Aug 12 10:10:07 Hmm.. I've had my neo connected to Ubuntu through USB for some weeks now (not continuously). And now, I just can't connect for the following reason: "usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device. SIOCSIFADDR: No such device".. does anybody know why this happens..? Aug 12 10:24:50 frustration setting in Aug 12 10:26:45 kd8ikt: whats wrong..? Aug 12 10:40:45 Hello? Aug 12 10:40:56 hello Proton23 :) Aug 12 10:41:01 aahh Aug 12 10:41:10 I'm new to IRC Aug 12 10:41:21 Hello ... anybody hereeee? ... echo :> Aug 12 10:41:32 Proton23: ok nice :) Aug 12 10:41:36 so I didn't know if it would work Aug 12 10:41:42 howdy Aug 12 10:41:56 ;-) Aug 12 10:42:00 Proton23: it works. Aug 12 10:42:06 cool :D Aug 12 10:42:07 JeffJohnson: howdy cowboy :) Aug 12 10:42:43 I read on http://om-tiddlywiki.projects.openmoko.org/openmokowiki.html that there is an VMware image with an installed openmoko sdk, but can't find it :/ Has anybody an download link for me? Aug 12 10:42:43 are there other chats about openmoko? Aug 12 10:44:00 Does anybody know how to compile a Qt app? Aug 12 10:44:02 hmmm, a bunch of libraries from the OM daily feed are failing 404. It suggests maybe I needed to 'opkg update', but I just had and repeated the process again Aug 12 10:45:23 Proton23 this chat will get moving more once everyone is at work, or at lunch...sometimes even when other time zones wake up/get to work/get to lunch Aug 12 10:45:25 Infoport: currently I am building new packages in that feed, so the indexes are out of date Aug 12 10:45:56 Thanks Infoport Aug 12 10:46:31 XorA: is buildhost going to move to asu.testing branch, or is asu.testing going to be regularly synced to o.om.dev? Aug 12 10:46:54 XorA: gotcha! thanks for your work-- I will just wait until later Aug 12 10:46:55 At least something I can work with Aug 12 10:47:07 rwhitby: the second Aug 12 10:47:29 automatic sync? Aug 12 10:47:39 omg, after two and a half days, it compiled ! Aug 12 10:47:39 rwhitby: under discussion at the moment Aug 12 10:48:00 rwhitby: the rush is off, so now we are discussing the going forward Aug 12 10:48:05 (since it's coming from testing, should be no reason I can see why not) Aug 12 10:48:08 XorA: should we just delete the feeds which no longer have directories, like 'fic-gta02-feed.conf'? and remove those lines from arch.conf? Aug 12 10:48:35 Infoport: wow you started on an old image Aug 12 10:48:44 Why are there Nicks with others in front? Aug 12 10:48:59 ahhh Aug 12 10:49:02 I see Aug 12 10:49:06 XorA: I would suggest invalidating absolutely all existing feed.conf files by moving the new om2008.8 feed to a different path Aug 12 10:49:12 Infoport: I think that should be safe, would backup files just in case Aug 12 10:49:26 The person you wanna respond Aug 12 10:49:42 rwhitby: om2008.X feeds will be on downloads.om.org AFAIK, openmoko.dev feeds will be seperate Aug 12 10:49:45 XorA, oh yeah, I'm all about mv to ....bak Aug 12 10:50:11 XorA: where does the om2008.08 image currently point? Aug 12 10:51:01 rwhitby: http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/ I think Aug 12 10:51:13 rwhitby: but I havent actually booted an ASU image to double check Aug 12 10:51:21 XorA: can you tell me the significance of the feed name w/ number in arch.conf? I *have* search google, but only found some others asking about extra feeds (no answers, no manuals on opkg) Aug 12 10:51:54 Infoport: arch.conf contains the architectures your machine knows Aug 12 10:52:15 Infoport: so opkg will refuse to install a package in an arch not listed in that file, the numbers are the priority Aug 12 10:53:03 XorA: so the listing fic-gta02 in arch.conf may be useful, even if the OM /fic-gta02 feed directory is no more? good to know, and not remove that line Aug 12 10:53:14 Infoport: yes Aug 12 10:55:14 in the 2008.8 image, how do see if there's an update to any of the packages that you've installed..? I've tried to go to the "update" tab/page in the installer, but it doesn't show anything.. And it's hard to believe that there's no update for almost a week Aug 12 10:55:34 Hard to believe, but true. Aug 12 10:55:37 XorA: thanks! yeah, I haven't re-flashed OM2007 rootfs-- I figured that update/upgrade was doing a good job, so I've just flashed uboot to get ext2 boot support (and played with less stable OSes on SD) Aug 12 10:55:38 XorA, where do i get the latest sources ? Aug 12 10:56:02 * spdr_ wants to patch and recompile Aug 12 10:56:26 spdr_: I think you need to go read the wiki, it has getting started guides Aug 12 10:56:32 rwhitby: So there's no update to any of the projects in the repo..? It's just that when I had 2007.2 installed, there were daily updates..? Aug 12 10:56:57 XorA, compiled openmoko-devel-image etc, just need to sources Aug 12 10:57:10 the* Aug 12 10:57:10 oh well, wiki it is ... Aug 12 10:57:15 rwhitby: but okay.. heh, if there's no update, there's no update :) Aug 12 10:57:15 Bubbi: Openmoko have not released any binaries of any updates on the asu branch. Aug 12 10:57:18 spdr_: then the sources are in the sources/ directory :-) Aug 12 10:57:36 oh :)) Aug 12 10:57:41 there are plenty of source updates, which you can build yourself, but no binaries of those updates released by openmoko Aug 12 10:58:00 binaries have to be tested Aug 12 10:58:15 2007.2 was never stable, so it used to just update to whatever was in the tree Aug 12 10:58:21 okay.. :) I'm not the building type myself.. :) Would still consider myself being pretty new to all of this. :) Aug 12 10:58:23 2008.8 is supposed to be stable Aug 12 10:58:32 so all updates need testing Aug 12 10:58:47 XorA: excellent. let's remove those qtopia-x11 images from buildhost right now then hey? Aug 12 10:59:16 rwhitby: I like my images, a wierd mix of FSO and ASU :-D Aug 12 10:59:18 XorA: do you recommend re-flashing, even if update/upgrade doesn't break your OM2007? Aug 12 10:59:30 Infoport: dont change what your happy with Aug 12 10:59:42 Infoport: although there were some incompatible changes to version numbers Aug 12 11:00:40 XorA: seriously, those qtopia-x11 images need to be removed now. Aug 12 11:00:50 rwhitby, so YOU'RE the one who maintains buildhost's repositories? :o Aug 12 11:00:55 XorA that's why the other distros go on my SD :-) I'm very happy with my OM, even when I end up on command line (or eek! phone terminal) Aug 12 11:01:11 Dave: nope, I'm the one who complains about how they are being maintained. Aug 12 11:01:20 Me too! Aug 12 11:01:26 has anybody a link to an VMware/VirtualBox/Qemu OpenMoko SDK Image? Aug 12 11:01:27 By the way.. for some of the packages in the installer, there's a little description, but not for all.. Do any of you know if there's a wiki of some sort that has a collection of descriptions for it..? Aug 12 11:01:29 rwhitby: I dont see why they cause a problem Aug 12 11:01:31 To whom should I direct my wrath? :) Aug 12 11:02:07 XorA: haven't you read the emails on the list from people saying they reflashed from Om2008.08 to the 20080811 image and wondered why the lost functionality? Aug 12 11:02:19 rwhitby: then they should learn to read Aug 12 11:02:20 XorA: hmm... maybe I'll flash to latest recommended and upgrade from there then. Incompatible versions #s are a headache Aug 12 11:02:49 Xora :( Aug 12 11:02:59 Dave: XorA seems to need to be convinced it's a problem to have images on buildhost called qtopia-x11 which have nothing to do with Om2008.08 and will break your FR Om2008.08 functionality if you flash them. Aug 12 11:03:35 XorA: if you want to put a barrier of being able to read, then you shouldn't release any daily binary images at all. Aug 12 11:03:37 rwhitby: the images are not called ASU, they are not labelled 2008.8, this channel tells you that on login, its been said by email Aug 12 11:03:43 rwhitby: but we need those images Aug 12 11:03:57 who needs those images? Aug 12 11:03:57 * Dave weilds his shelaileigh Aug 12 11:03:58 rwhitby: I was on here on the 8th, and I started explaining the diff between 2008.8 and 20080808 so the devs wouldnt have to keep telling them (even though its in the IRC scroll when you enter) Aug 12 11:04:02 rwhitby: I need those images Aug 12 11:04:17 why aren't you testing images built from asu.testing? Aug 12 11:04:29 (and packages built from sane srcrevs of that branch) Aug 12 11:04:35 rwhitby: because Im not on the ASU team, Im working on the next release Aug 12 11:04:56 some of the applications in the 2008.8 image have a "back" button, that closes the application, but not all of the applications have this, and I was wondering if you could close them somehow..? Or does it need to be done through the terminal..? Aug 12 11:05:02 Xora, where is your logic? Aug 12 11:05:28 Furthermore, you shall incur quite a beating if you are in fact the buildhost maintainer :) Aug 12 11:05:34 XorA: if those images are guaranteed to be a direct ancestor of asu.testing, plus daily changes, then I agree. Aug 12 11:05:37 Bubbi: the little down arrow at the top shows what's running, and a label on left says 'remove" Aug 12 11:05:40 buildhost follows org.openmoko.dev, which follows org.openembedded.dev, which is where when we fork a new release it will come from Aug 12 11:05:55 I am actively mergeing ASU back to OM.dev Aug 12 11:06:04 uggh Aug 12 11:06:05 Bubbi: label appears when you expand the list down Aug 12 11:06:20 XorA: so won't this confusion happen again and again every time you have a release freeze? Aug 12 11:06:20 just that the FSO guys stumped me with some illume changes I need to figure out Aug 12 11:06:49 the confusion seems to be created by naming our release 2008.8, and people reading 200808 as the same thing Aug 12 11:06:58 so hopefully next time we can name our release Aug 12 11:07:01 and not use numbers Aug 12 11:07:02 Infoport: ahh thank you.. :) I've tried to push it, but I guess my fingers were a bit to big, since it just slided the menu up again, but didn't shut down the application :D Aug 12 11:07:27 XorA: that would help somewhat Aug 12 11:07:30 I'm sorry to bother, but Aug 12 11:07:30 Does anybody know how to make Qt-project??? Aug 12 11:07:34 Good idea! Aug 12 11:07:46 rwhitby, yeah... somewhat... Aug 12 11:07:50 Bubbi: yeah, some of OM2008.8 isnt as finger-friendly as OM2007 (yet) Aug 12 11:07:52 :\ Aug 12 11:08:02 rwhitby: the name change to 2008.8 was a surprise to me as well Aug 12 11:08:10 I don't think OM is finger-friendly at all Aug 12 11:08:13 I'm VERY frustrated Aug 12 11:08:27 Proton23, congratulations, welcome to openmoko. Aug 12 11:08:32 XorA: ok, so I'll just hold off building anything until you give the word that asu.testing has been merged into org.om.dev Aug 12 11:08:55 and thinking about not bying the freerunner at all Aug 12 11:09:05 rwhitby: that is likely to be later this week, Im currently fixing up a buildhost fuckup Aug 12 11:09:06 Proton23: why not ? Aug 12 11:09:09 That might be a good idea. Aug 12 11:09:13 (and that there is an automated process which will keep org.om.dev always a true descendent from asu.testing) Aug 12 11:09:35 Proton23: here is a howto link (ps file) http://www.netmeister.org/misc/HOWTOS/Compiling-Your-First-Qt-App-HOWTO/Compiling-Your-First-Qt-App-HOWTO.ps Aug 12 11:09:35 becaus I'm not able to compile the simplest Qt code Aug 12 11:09:43 I want to have a talk with that buildhost maintainer... Aug 12 11:09:44 automated 3 way merges dont work, even in git Aug 12 11:09:48 and nobody is willing to help Aug 12 11:10:09 so this is my last try to find somebody Aug 12 11:10:17 Proton23: if you're thinking of not buying it, then best that you don't. You'll just cause yourself stress if you do. Unless you are single minded about buying it and no-one can convince you otherwise no matter what the issue, you probably shouldn't buy it. Aug 12 11:10:23 who can tell me how to do it Aug 12 11:10:29 Proton23: read above, a howto link I found on Google Aug 12 11:11:15 yeah, Proton23, having one is just the start of frustration (and hopefully glee when successes happen!) Aug 12 11:11:32 If you need people here to convince you to buy it, then you shouldn't. Simple as that. Aug 12 11:12:11 * Dave readies his shillelagh Aug 12 11:12:33 or send your OM phone to me, and I'll return it once everything has been installed and is stable ;-) Aug 12 11:12:42 hehe Aug 12 11:12:55 rwhitby: I tried for weeks now to get started Aug 12 11:13:00 Infoport: you could even charge money for that service. Aug 12 11:13:14 (project deadline for stability not concrete) Aug 12 11:13:22 bah. profiteers :P Aug 12 11:13:35 Proton23: undoubtably. it's incredibly difficult to start development for this platform. Aug 12 11:14:37 Proton23: I hear you...that's why I was sending links instead of advice, I'm a programmer, but am closer to "Hello world" on the OM Aug 12 11:14:44 You have to have a single minded determination, and hours per day to spare, just to stop going backwards. Aug 12 11:14:48 I'm wrestling with 2008.8 to get out beyond desktop machine which is 192.168.1.200 I m successfully ssh'ed in to neo from desktop and can ping neo from desk and desk from neo but no further. Can someone please throw me a lifeline Aug 12 11:14:49 rwhitby: I want the freerunner and i will buy it because I like open source Aug 12 11:15:09 but why has it to be so hard? Aug 12 11:15:11 Proton23: excellent. I don't wanna hear any complaints from you then ;-) Aug 12 11:15:35 A phone operating system is an incredibly complex thing. Aug 12 11:15:37 Proton23: it's normal Aug 12 11:15:44 It's not a real computer Aug 12 11:15:51 hipitihop: sounds like nameserver problem, probably because of resolvconf program now instead of resolv.conf file (which program overwrites) Aug 12 11:15:56 And we don't have one yet, so trying to do application development on top of that is doubly hard. Aug 12 11:16:11 * XorA points out open source barely holds together long enough for a desktop machine, a phone is a much newer challenge Aug 12 11:16:14 (we don't have one complete one, we have 5 half ones) Aug 12 11:16:21 Mobile development is hard, that's mostly due to the fact that resources are expensive on such devices, and in order to be able to test what you do, you either have to run an emulator or build complex deployment processes Aug 12 11:16:50 rwhitby: I'm so frustrated, because I wasn't able to make the smallest step forward in weeks... :( Aug 12 11:16:52 So if you think it's hard to develop, either you're willing to give the initial impulse and try to make things work, or you don't Aug 12 11:17:18 rwhitby :D Aug 12 11:17:21 Either way, the freerunner is great, and it'll be greater when I'll finish my ncurses phone UI Aug 12 11:17:34 Proton23: I wrote and maintain the MokoMakefile, and even I haven't been able to get anything to build on Debian Lenny for the past four weeks. Aug 12 11:17:34 Infoport, perhaps, although I have followed wiki instructions to echo to resolv.conf from interfaces file Aug 12 11:17:46 haha Ainulindale :) Aug 12 11:18:00 rwhitby, yes, we know :) Aug 12 11:18:11 rwhitby: that's debian, pretty normal :-p Aug 12 11:18:19 oh shush :p Aug 12 11:18:20 infoport: Compiling Qt on desktop is no problem Aug 12 11:18:28 I used to be able to get a full build of all images to build on Ubuntu or CentOS. Not in the last couple of months. Aug 12 11:18:34 the toolchain is Aug 12 11:18:42 haha Aug 12 11:19:00 mokomake me breakfast Aug 12 11:19:16 hipitihop: the USB networking page has updated (wiki is a constant flux) so there may be new directions since you were there (was between my phone arriving and when 2008.8 came out) Aug 12 11:20:05 I tried to give up building my own images for a while and use the feeds, but they were all broken too. Aug 12 11:20:15 Yep :) Aug 12 11:20:26 So now I'm in limbo, waiting for just one thing to stabilise. Aug 12 11:20:31 hipitihop: another good test-- ping an IP by number, wiki suggests google at 74.125.19.147 Aug 12 11:20:45 oh hah Aug 12 11:20:54 Some of the qtopia applications don't work, although they are in the repo.. are they depending on something else, that doesn't get installed.? Aug 12 11:21:32 Bubbi: quite likely, when I cut qtopia up into little bits, I was working quiet blind as I pretty much never used it Aug 12 11:21:35 hipitihop: but I'll bet it is the newer resolvconf issue. resolvconf overwrites resolv.conf each time with a value it keep elsewhere Aug 12 11:21:54 what is an address book application that works well on the neo? (only for looking at addresses, not at using it to call people) Aug 12 11:22:09 rwhitby: I was kind of surprised there was no kernel-headers package for the phone kernel available in repo Aug 12 11:22:16 ecraven :P Aug 12 11:23:39 Hi Aug 12 11:23:55 Heil Aug 12 11:24:00 XorA: oh.. :) alright, I don't know if you've tried "fifteen" in the games section. But It fails with an application error.. It doesn't say why.. I'm not sure if there's a wiki page for it, or if there should be. Aug 12 11:24:22 Bubbi: im afraid qpe is a mystery to me Aug 12 11:24:22 Infoport: Do you know how to generate the missings files to compile with the toolchain? Aug 12 11:24:40 missing files? Aug 12 11:24:52 ok Aug 12 11:25:02 is this about that libpango thing? Aug 12 11:25:11 I try to ecplain what I mean Aug 12 11:25:19 Proton23: sorry, I'll let others who know more answer Aug 12 11:25:41 Infoport, nah, it's okay, you can stay and help :D Aug 12 11:25:56 Soon I may wish to throw him back at you :P Aug 12 11:26:08 XorA: :) Well.. I'm not a backend developer, so i'm not able to do anything myself.. :) Aug 12 11:26:14 Is mokomake usable on Debian Etch PPC (4.0) ? Aug 12 11:26:49 in openmoko-sameple2 are many files and folders Aug 12 11:26:59 yep Aug 12 11:27:00 but the source is in /src Aug 12 11:27:02 it's pretty good though Aug 12 11:27:08 * Dave pokes rwhitby Aug 12 11:27:24 Dave: Answered to me ? Aug 12 11:27:44 which of this files do I have to write manually* Aug 12 11:27:46 ? Aug 12 11:31:09 FR vendor ID is different from Neo1973, for dfu-util? Aug 12 11:32:40 mbuf: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Product_IDs I think the first vendor on each line IS is the Neo Aug 12 11:33:07 lotha1, no sorry, it works fine on etch though, I'm not sure about ppc, though I see no reasons to think otherwise. Aug 12 11:33:11 :) Aug 12 11:33:16 Is there a tool to generate these files? Aug 12 11:33:55 hahaha oh no, all my toolchain memories and horrors are coming back to me! Aug 12 11:34:13 mbuf: wait, that may be wrong...someone the other night collected IDs trying to get backup tool to tell the two apart, maybe check IRC logs? Aug 12 11:34:22 yep Aug 12 11:34:24 cga Aug 12 11:34:37 OT....anyone know what parts of Android google have open sourced so far...apart from the kernel/linux parts? Aug 12 11:34:44 Infoport, i am getting different IDs when doing --list Aug 12 11:34:46 He is writing a script to do that Aug 12 11:35:04 Dave: Ok, if - I think too - is it emulated as an ARM or could I also go faster with emulating on host CPU (qemu) ? Aug 12 11:35:08 mbuf, are you trying to run dfu-util on your toaster then? Aug 12 11:35:28 Dave, toaster runs Openmoko? Aug 12 11:35:33 hahahaha Aug 12 11:35:52 Dave, one day it will :) Aug 12 11:36:01 :P Aug 12 11:36:22 Dave: yeah, his script was doing pretty well too! I wish he would take the test logic to check dfu-util location (in path or current dir) rathe than make people edit the file for the two (I see a fork on my end) Aug 12 11:36:36 hehe Aug 12 11:36:39 okay Aug 12 11:36:46 I'll make it do that then if you remind me Aug 12 11:37:08 I possess magical powers of persuasion :) Aug 12 11:37:27 Should I try it again later? :( Aug 12 11:37:50 DAve: I sent some script for it, but he wasn't sure of it...was pretty similar to the check for directory Aug 12 11:38:13 ok it is 0x1d50:0x5119 Aug 12 11:38:30 o_O Aug 12 11:39:00 How do I get something on the neo from my desktop computer..? Do I use wget..? and if so.. how..? Aug 12 11:39:09 Bubbi, scp Aug 12 11:39:23 Someone check logs to the other day, and I pasted what both modes ID's are for the freerunner. Aug 12 11:39:29 also check against the wiki Aug 12 11:39:30 mbuf: you know, then I think 0x1457 IS the Neo, as FIC is the "vendor" for that, but now OpenMoko exists as a company and s 0x1d50 Aug 12 11:39:46 pretty sneaky! :P Aug 12 11:40:24 Infoport, I don't know; i just tried that entry in the list Aug 12 11:40:37 Infoport, and it is flashing Aug 12 11:41:00 mbuf: that wiki page lists both (as well as the whole list of 2nd IDs) and mentions the companies-- it just isn't clear why you might see different vendor IDs Aug 12 11:41:20 mbuf: thanks, but how do I then use it..? Aug 12 11:41:21 fucking updates break wifi Aug 12 11:41:28 * Dave grumbles Aug 12 11:41:38 mbuf: I'm still new to linux and all that follows.. :) Aug 12 11:41:43 If a Freerunner running 2008.8 goes into the suspend state while attached to a compter via the USB, does it continue charging while it is suspended? Aug 12 11:41:45 We should have a Beat the Devs with Snakes Day! Aug 12 11:41:45 Dave: It would be possible: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Host-based_development_with_Xoo_and_Xephyr Aug 12 11:41:49 :P Aug 12 11:41:55 KenYoung: I think it does Aug 12 11:42:01 lotha1: It's slow, but sure. Aug 12 11:42:11 weatherhead, THanks! Aug 12 11:42:12 Bubbi, scp root@neo:/tmp Aug 12 11:42:30 mbuf: ah cool.. :) thank you very much Aug 12 11:42:37 KenYoung: there are problems with suspend, I have turned mine off (problems resuming, too much hardware off) Aug 12 11:42:40 Bubbi, np Aug 12 11:43:26 Infoport: what is your battery life, 40 minutes?? :-) Aug 12 11:44:12 haha Aug 12 11:44:15 weatherhead: much more, because most of it is in front of computer with USB :-D Aug 12 11:44:16 hardly Aug 12 11:44:25 ;) Aug 12 11:44:51 Infoport: so you are only able to use your mobile phone when it has a cable attached? How ironic Aug 12 11:44:56 weatherhead: two words-- spare batteries Aug 12 11:45:10 heh. Aug 12 11:45:46 weatherhead :D Aug 12 11:45:54 weatherhead: no, that's just the best way to molest it via command-line...now once I have a Duraflex keyboard... :-D Aug 12 11:45:56 I like it! :P Aug 12 11:46:04 rut roh :p Aug 12 11:46:09 * Dave fears Aug 12 11:46:36 mbuf: Can you copy entire folders as well, or is that not possible..? Aug 12 11:47:30 Bubbi, yes, scp -r Aug 12 11:47:31 Bubbi: scp -r Aug 12 11:47:34 mbuf: doh Aug 12 11:48:00 Dave: I have tried qemu on an 800MHz Windows Box. Really slow. But if I can develop natively, then it is ok. Testing would then devinitely done on my FR - still waiting for it :-) Aug 12 11:48:05 Bubbi: scp can do lots, and go both directions. it is "scp . If you have linux desktop, type scp --help or scp man for all the goodies Aug 12 11:48:21 Bubbi: sorry, or man scp Aug 12 11:48:41 okay :) Aug 12 11:48:49 Infoport: that keyboard looks pretty shitty Aug 12 11:49:29 mbuf, zash and Infoport: thank you all :D Aug 12 11:49:32 Then again, I am rather stingy about keyboards with horrible layouts. Aug 12 11:49:38 * Dave high-fives Bubbi Aug 12 11:49:50 did anyone try rubrica or dlume on the neo? Aug 12 11:49:51 Mission Accomplished Aug 12 11:49:58 rubrica? dlume? Aug 12 11:50:09 What are these amazing applications!? Aug 12 11:50:25 Dave: the Duraflex? well at least it has the right connector...I can't even FIND an adapter to change usb-A to usb mini-B, without cutting my current connector off the keyboard Aug 12 11:50:51 Infoport o_O Aug 12 11:50:57 scary Aug 12 11:51:06 I bought a box of ten adapters... Aug 12 11:51:10 So no worries for me ;D Aug 12 11:51:25 ecraven, what are those? Aug 12 11:51:56 rubrica segfaults, dlume is a very simple addressbook Aug 12 11:52:02 Ah Aug 12 11:52:04 sounds crappy Aug 12 11:52:05 really all i need, to write postcards on the way Aug 12 11:52:09 right Aug 12 11:52:10 how difficult is it to include a new filesystem type into the kernel ? Aug 12 11:52:11 I like that Aug 12 11:52:14 Dave: well I was also looking locally, but not one electronic store carried the one-of-everything USB adapters (like my partial set) Aug 12 11:52:19 ecraven :) Aug 12 11:52:23 yes, but like non of the other applications, it seems to work ;) Aug 12 11:52:34 right :D Aug 12 11:52:42 Let's write one? Aug 12 11:52:43 :P Aug 12 11:53:15 The contacts app on 2007.2 is pretty hot... it segfaults if you call a null entry... Aug 12 11:53:23 or speeddial Aug 12 11:53:56 OM Maintainers, return so I can beat you! Aug 12 11:54:01 ecraven, Try "orrery" - it's my application, and it works. Aug 12 11:54:08 KenYoung: link? Aug 12 11:54:08 There are several factory apps which don't launch Aug 12 11:54:13 Clearly that's fucked up. Aug 12 11:54:18 KenYoung: oooh Aug 12 11:54:25 KenYoung: the constellations app? Aug 12 11:54:47 oh really? Aug 12 11:54:48 Infoport, Yes, constellations, night sky, etc. Aug 12 11:54:49 :P Aug 12 11:54:59 GIVE US YOUR APP! Aug 12 11:55:06 * Dave holds KenYoung up Aug 12 11:55:19 Hei bumble :) Aug 12 11:55:39 KenYoung: very cool! I noticed that one, but haven't installed yet....definitely will Aug 12 11:55:41 Davy Aug 12 11:55:47 ecraven, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Orrery Aug 12 11:56:32 Infoport, There's a .ipk available at the gForge site, so installation is easy with opkg. Aug 12 11:56:41 :) Aug 12 11:57:06 KenYoung: looks nice, thanks, i'll try whether it works on debian Aug 12 11:57:10 haha yeah, now if only the projects page wasn't down Aug 12 11:57:21 KenYoung: is it in a repository yet, or "just" manual install? Aug 12 11:57:58 KenYoung: beat me to the question! Aug 12 11:58:10 ken young, you had to branch it for 2008.8? Aug 12 11:58:12 :\ Aug 12 11:58:15 Dave: I have installed all required packages except one, that I didn't know where to get: libcurl4-openssl-dev. Aug 12 11:58:40 Infoport, I'm trying to figure out how to get it added to the Community Repository, but it looks like there are tags which need to be in the bitbake recipe. I don't have a bitbake recipe yet - I just have a dumb Makefile. Aug 12 11:59:05 Dave, THere are separate .ipk files available for 2007.2 and 2008.8. Aug 12 11:59:37 Yes, why have you done this? Aug 12 12:00:02 * Dave high-fives KenYoung for "just having" a dumb makefile. Aug 12 12:00:09 Dave, there's almost no difference - just the size of the icon for the launcher. Aug 12 12:00:12 oh ok, so not yet in repository... still worth manual install, but will definitely want to keep it updating once it repo Aug 12 12:00:17 oh, good! Aug 12 12:00:23 KenYoung: it's looking for /media/card/orrery/config Aug 12 12:00:24 Yeah I just didn't see what the need would be :P Aug 12 12:00:25 And my icon looks terrible anyway. Aug 12 12:00:32 ecraven D: Aug 12 12:00:48 pretty icon :) Aug 12 12:00:55 :D Aug 12 12:00:56 ecraven, It can take a command line argument of -d, to specify the top-level directory. Aug 12 12:01:08 if you don't like it, may I create a better one? ;) Aug 12 12:01:17 hmm zhone-git does not compile; damn Aug 12 12:01:20 ecraven, "orrery -d /usr/share/orrery" etc. Aug 12 12:01:56 KenYoung: just saw it in the .desktop file, thanks Aug 12 12:01:57 how do you make the media player (for the 2008.8 image) know where your music files are..? Is there a wiki on the media player Aug 12 12:02:29 KenYoung: hm.. the buttons at the bottom have unreadably small writing. but that might be my .gtkrc-2.0's flaut Aug 12 12:03:07 ecraven, Yes, maybe. It looks ok when installed under 2007.2 and 2008.8, but I haven't tested anything else. Aug 12 12:03:10 I like how we're all in Cambridge :P Aug 12 12:03:29 Bubbi: someone said the other night that you tell media player to search, maybe a button on bottom left? lots have had that confusion (me!) Aug 12 12:03:31 KenYoung: where does it save if i click "save to configuration file" Aug 12 12:03:41 KenYoung: does /usr/share/orrery/config need to be writable? Aug 12 12:03:45 Dave, There are location menues under "place", and it can get the location from gpsd, if that is running. Aug 12 12:03:58 ecraven, Yes. Aug 12 12:04:01 Yes, I am aware. Aug 12 12:04:27 Why is orrery part of Office though? Aug 12 12:05:04 Categories=GTK;Application;Office Aug 12 12:05:09 Dave, I guess it shouldn't be. I sis that so that it would show up on the default launcher list under 2007.2. Aug 12 12:05:10 Infoport: hmm.. alright.. I'll just take a look at it, when the music have been transfered Aug 12 12:05:18 heh Aug 12 12:05:22 Yeah, that's what I figured ;) Aug 12 12:05:41 Well I'm going to change that, if you don't mind :) Aug 12 12:05:53 I have issues with pollution in that department. Aug 12 12:06:04 has anyone been playing with matchbox-stroke? Aug 12 12:06:12 ecraven, I tried! Aug 12 12:06:20 Dave, By all means, please do. And send suggestions for new features and bug fixes. Aug 12 12:06:25 how did you get an "i"? Aug 12 12:06:31 Sure! Aug 12 12:06:36 ecraven hahaha Aug 12 12:06:41 I found it very unintuitive Aug 12 12:06:49 like Palm graffiti gives you a guide Aug 12 12:06:51 i like it, but i can't for the life of me get an "i" or a space ;( Aug 12 12:06:58 but this was like... wtf? o_O Aug 12 12:07:19 OM2008.8 is cool; GPS doesn't work out of the box? I get unable to get fix Aug 12 12:07:20 i find it easier to use than the mini keyboards.. but then, if i can't type all letters, it's rather useless Aug 12 12:07:25 ecraven: what about a T..? I've heard some having trouble with that as well Aug 12 12:07:30 ecraven I got aggravated and just scribbled shit until I got what I wanted! Aug 12 12:07:41 t is center to the right, then down, then back towards the left Aug 12 12:07:41 haha Aug 12 12:07:46 how to get the display back from suspend mode? Aug 12 12:07:48 I had troubnle with just about anything Aug 12 12:07:56 mbuf, did you do the usual stuff? Aug 12 12:07:59 looks a bit like a bit like a mirrored C Aug 12 12:08:13 Dave, what is the usual stuff? Aug 12 12:08:27 heh, weird.. :) Aug 12 12:08:59 ken Young what do you use for the maps? Aug 12 12:09:35 Dave, They are generated by the application itself, from the Hipparcos catalog. Aug 12 12:09:51 Also, could you fix your app so it displays properly in landscape orientation ;) Aug 12 12:09:55 ecraven: have you got zhone running on debian? Aug 12 12:10:01 or add that to your list of things :) Aug 12 12:10:06 bumbl: didn't try so far Aug 12 12:10:13 and i'll be on holidays for two weeks Aug 12 12:10:20 Dave, I plan on having a completely different type of display in landscape. Aug 12 12:10:22 ecraven \o/ Aug 12 12:10:30 Ken Young, enticing! Aug 12 12:10:32 :D Aug 12 12:10:36 sounds sexy Aug 12 12:11:26 ecraven: have fun Aug 12 12:11:27 Dave, sexy is a stretch, I'm afraid. But I had to write something, to justify buying the "developer's release" of a phone. Aug 12 12:11:39 thanks ;) Aug 12 12:11:41 oh :x Aug 12 12:11:50 ecraven, bring me back something! :) Aug 12 12:12:00 KenYoung: orrery *cant* know which way you are facing (holding phone) correct? I've seen gadget that did, but dont think OM can tell Aug 12 12:12:12 if you walk, it can ;) Aug 12 12:12:20 infoport that doesn't matter, does it? Aug 12 12:12:27 Try to compile matchbox on my Etch (PPC) gives me this error: brightness.c:8:32: error: gtk/gtkscalebutton.h: No such file or directory. Any ideas ? Aug 12 12:12:38 it's not going to rotate the stars to fit your orientation, now is it? :P Aug 12 12:13:02 Infoport, Yes, that's true. To move around, hit the little green arrows at the bottom (stylus needed, I'm afraid), or hit one of the green azimuth values at the bottom. Aug 12 12:13:14 haha oops, orrery crashed Aug 12 12:13:24 Dave, Rats! Aug 12 12:13:25 KenYoung: any plans in implementing gestures? Aug 12 12:13:27 Dave: the gadget I saw had a pistol grip, and you could point around and see constellations outlined for you with the real stars past it Aug 12 12:13:32 kenyoung, yes, it's very nice :) Aug 12 12:13:46 Infoport the bat signal!? Aug 12 12:14:04 hehehe Aug 12 12:14:24 bumbl, Please send suggestions for what gestures should do, to orrery.moko@gmail.com Aug 12 12:14:26 Freeze badguys! I have an openmoko! Aug 12 12:14:56 Oh no, run, or he'll sic his army of atrocious bugs at us! Aug 12 12:15:07 Dave: costs almost as much as phone (and not open source) but... http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/956a/ Aug 12 12:15:22 KenYoung: as soon as I have time Aug 12 12:15:25 Infoport, Yes, that's a Celestron product. It actually matches an image grabed by a camera toan internal star database. Aug 12 12:15:52 :o Aug 12 12:16:21 hello ladies Aug 12 12:16:30 KenYoung: then I'll expect that feature in orrery.GTA03 (with camera) :-P Aug 12 12:16:31 hoi:D Aug 12 12:16:39 Dave, If orrery is crashing on you, I'd sure appreciate it if you'd send me the core file. Aug 12 12:16:40 Hi KenYoung! Aug 12 12:16:40 hoe is het, zorkman? Aug 12 12:16:52 Zorkman, Hi. Aug 12 12:16:57 doing some design for assembly sh*t Aug 12 12:17:03 Kenyoung, well I changed the system time, and when it updated in the app, it closed when I clicked Aug 12 12:17:10 I don't know if that is my fault :P Aug 12 12:17:44 Dave, Please try it again, and send a core file to me if it crashes (if you have time). Aug 12 12:17:44 it works fine here Dave, what are you running? Aug 12 12:18:19 hehe time Aug 12 12:18:24 if you want KenYoung I will uninstall my Orrery and install your ipk and see if it works Aug 12 12:18:29 Zorkman, nah, just breaking things, as usual :D Aug 12 12:18:36 hmm, the company I am working for my vacation job kind of sucks: I do the work a script could do far better than me and which wouldn't be there if their crappy selfmade programs would work well and do what they are expected to do; no big surprise that they are short of money Aug 12 12:18:46 Any ideas about what gtk version must be installed for matchbox ? Aug 12 12:18:47 Zorkman, it works fine, just beware, it installs into Office! :D Aug 12 12:18:53 whee Aug 12 12:19:27 Zorkman, I'm always interested in hearing if people have installation problems. I've tried my .ipk files under 2007.2 and 2008.8, but not FSO or debian. Aug 12 12:19:29 What? Office on FreeRunner? Aug 12 12:19:31 ;P Aug 12 12:19:36 I swear, Categories on GTK is so LAWL Aug 12 12:19:42 ike PIM Aug 12 12:19:52 POM Dave. Aug 12 12:19:52 KenYoung: did you change other things since you sent me the orrery file? (I'm the one who mailed you a thousand times concerning orrery) Aug 12 12:19:57 fucking categories... #$&^%#&*!@* Aug 12 12:20:05 Must destroy... Aug 12 12:20:13 * Dave seeks out the creator Aug 12 12:20:28 Zorkman, Oh - I'm really glad to get a chance to thank you for bearing with me through that rough install. Aug 12 12:20:34 Use the source, Dave, use the source! Aug 12 12:20:46 Infoport: after a little trouble getting the mediaplayer working (it crashed for some odd reason), i've now just entered it, and it found my music right away.. i had it placed in /media/card/music Aug 12 12:20:46 I don't know why, but when Dave writes something I have got a feeling that HAL9000 has to response. Aug 12 12:20:47 hehe, you're the one who deserves thanking, I'm just glad it works! Aug 12 12:21:15 Zorkman, The new .ipk version has nothing new. I'll be adding star names next, and then a new landscape mode, showing a completely different type of display. Aug 12 12:21:17 Bubbi: what mediaplayer are you using? Aug 12 12:21:29 woohoo, can't wait for that one :) Aug 12 12:21:39 Zorkman, the .ipk just makes installation easy. Aug 12 12:22:07 together with tango-gps and pidgin youre's is one of the few programs that just work great :) Aug 12 12:22:08 to be sure: there is no VM Image with the openMoko SDK available, atm? Aug 12 12:22:19 Zorkman: the one for 2008.8.. but it can't play my mp3's.. it found them, oddly enough but can't play them Aug 12 12:22:22 Bubbi: hmmm... I couldn't get it to find mine, but havent tried since was told about search (too much else to play with) Aug 12 12:22:29 Bubbi, sounds about right :D Aug 12 12:23:15 wuhu.. now it plays it.. hahaha.. i was chocked.. I had stopped playing, but suddenly it started.. haha Aug 12 12:23:19 is there already a mplayer available with GUI? Aug 12 12:23:29 BUT DAMN.. it's not a very good speaker.. :D Aug 12 12:23:47 for a phone i was rather pleased.... no high expectations i guess :) Aug 12 12:24:03 you can boost bass in alsamixer btw Aug 12 12:24:09 mplayer with gui? Aug 12 12:24:12 mix it baby! Aug 12 12:24:15 BLASPHEMY Aug 12 12:24:16 zash, negative! Aug 12 12:24:20 any idea what mixer controls ring volume? Aug 12 12:24:22 Zorkman: It sounds really bad.. but i'm still looking for the volume buttons.. :D Aug 12 12:24:28 mplayer with crappy half-assed command-line interface! Aug 12 12:24:32 bubbi :P Aug 12 12:24:37 * Dave giggles at Zorkman Aug 12 12:24:56 * Zorkman thinks Dave has once again eaten the wrong kind of mushrooms :) Aug 12 12:24:57 Dave: crappy? Aug 12 12:24:57 ROFL, oh yeah that was another funny thing Aug 12 12:25:11 Dave: I just sing to myself...people stare but it gives me elbow room in crowded places Aug 12 12:25:16 I have so many icons in the taskbar up top now in 2007.2 it goes over the loading icon and SIM name Aug 12 12:25:19 :D Aug 12 12:25:29 Infoport - hah! :P Aug 12 12:25:35 zash, yeah, I hear it's half-assed Aug 12 12:25:41 I got it myself, and haven't gotten it to work yet Aug 12 12:25:59 Can't join #openmoko-devel. Why ? Aug 12 12:26:01 DAve: on my FR it works without tampering with it... Aug 12 12:26:08 lotha1: You require additional coolness! Aug 12 12:26:12 heh Aug 12 12:26:13 lotha1: not enough skilllzzz Aug 12 12:26:18 What I said. Aug 12 12:26:35 hahahahahaha Aug 12 12:26:36 YES Aug 12 12:26:51 OoooKey :-) Where to buy the skillZ ? Aug 12 12:26:54 speaking of which Aug 12 12:27:03 First one to run starcraft on their freerunner gets a prize! Aug 12 12:27:13 o! Aug 12 12:27:19 okay.. I'm giving up on the mediaplayer for now.. :) Aug 12 12:27:20 that is some nasty idea. Aug 12 12:27:23 Dave: rather have nethack Aug 12 12:27:27 i don't know lotha1: you might ask someone like XorA, maybe he knows Aug 12 12:27:27 Dave: haha.. Aug 12 12:27:29 already do Aug 12 12:27:31 it's lame Aug 12 12:27:45 Aiur is calling! Aug 12 12:27:53 I have posted my question here, but no answer :-( Aug 12 12:28:00 But I don't think there is a way to run x86 binary on armel. Aug 12 12:28:03 Or there is? Aug 12 12:28:04 Dave: Snake have been ported.. not that i'm sure how to control it.. It responds oddly to the different movements.. Aug 12 12:28:08 lotha1: you sign an NDA with OM Aug 12 12:28:14 Dave: i said that (sc on neo) a long time ago Aug 12 12:28:26 Dave: nethack on Freerunner? Aug 12 12:28:32 Dave: and the answer is "wont work" Aug 12 12:28:44 Which gtk-devel version is needed to build matchbox ? Aug 12 12:29:01 What about open source - NDA is bad :-) Aug 12 12:29:03 Dave: petition blizzard to port it! Aug 12 12:29:28 dlume is nice! Aug 12 12:29:31 * zash would buy Aug 12 12:30:03 in OM2008.8, when I disconnect a call, it doesn't disconnect fully, until, I have to open dialer again, and hit cancel; anything that I am missing? Aug 12 12:30:07 WUHU.. Found the volume control on the media player... alright, so I didn't give up on it :) Aug 12 12:30:22 Now it sounds a lot better, when the volume is VERY low :) Aug 12 12:30:39 mbuf: you can call.. ? :O Aug 12 12:30:54 Bubbi, yes Aug 12 12:30:58 I can't even make it ask for a PIN :) Aug 12 12:31:18 Bubbi, no PIN required for my operator Aug 12 12:31:29 Man, that's pretty hot. Aug 12 12:31:34 heh, that sounds dangerous.. Aug 12 12:32:57 XorA: Is that right, why must I sign an NDA with OM to develop OSS ? Aug 12 12:33:10 lotha1: no, just to get on #openmoko-devel Aug 12 12:33:22 lotha1: you just need to read the wiki to find out how to develop Aug 12 12:33:46 XorA: isn't that only for kernel developers? Aug 12 12:34:13 Xora, haha, well, aren't WE condescending ;) Aug 12 12:34:27 Ahh, I have read the wiki, about setting up the development environment. I simply missing a file in the gtk headers. That 's why my question about the version of gtk. Aug 12 12:34:54 currently OM is using 2.12.X or 2.10.X depending on branch Aug 12 12:34:59 Well.. I'm out.. Cya later Aug 12 12:35:02 openmoko-devel is a place where devs in posession of NDAs may discuss things covered on them lotha1. Aug 12 12:35:20 openmoko-cdevel is the normal dev place Aug 12 12:35:36 Right, you're not part of the cabal :p Aug 12 12:36:01 Anyhoo, what is responsible for rewriting my resolv.conf everytime the phone reboots? Aug 12 12:36:11 (based on default shipped image) Aug 12 12:36:16 /etc/network/interfaces Aug 12 12:36:16 Ahh, thanks all. Btw, how was it to ask for gtk versions (gtk-config --versio or the like) ? Aug 12 12:36:59 does somebody know how to use autotools to generate the necessary files? Aug 12 12:37:04 hipitihop: still here? I found the list message explaining resolvconf-- http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/support/2008-August/001437.html Aug 12 12:37:42 grr Aug 12 12:38:06 Ah, right. Thanks Xora :P Aug 12 12:38:30 Dave: that list msg tells how to stop that. someone the other night said that isn't the "correct" fix, but not details, and it works fine for me Aug 12 12:38:38 Infoport: I tried setting up resolfconf and it didn;t work for me. Aug 12 12:38:46 resolvconf Aug 12 12:38:53 hah Aug 12 12:38:57 what a pain Aug 12 12:39:20 using resolvconf -a usb n.n.n.n Aug 12 12:39:27 did you use the method from that list msg, editing /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base ? Aug 12 12:39:38 yes. that too. Aug 12 12:40:15 matholio: and resolvconf -u ? reboot? Aug 12 12:40:15 and I removed the line from /etc/network/interfaces too Aug 12 12:40:29 weird, becuase it would be a much better way to do it. Aug 12 12:40:41 yep, yep. both. Aug 12 12:41:13 Hmm, I have installed libgtk and libgtk-dev in version 2.8.20-7. So I need to update or using the current source version :-( Aug 12 12:41:14 also found some intresting debian threads regarding resolveconf, looks perfect. Aug 12 12:41:41 resolveconf -a Aug 12 12:42:08 that should do it, but it didn't work. please try I'm thinking about opening a ticket. Aug 12 12:42:17 matholio: yeah, I thought network interfaces did ok. if that didn't work then I'm not sure. does it just keep wiping resolv.conf out? Aug 12 12:42:41 oh interfaces does do it, but it shouldn;t imo. Aug 12 12:43:07 Man, what is up wit teh gsm today Aug 12 12:43:15 Damn buggy new versions Aug 12 12:43:28 yeah, each boot /var/run/resolv.conf is 192.168.0.200 again. Aug 12 12:44:07 I have a mangled ASU build so I haven't pursued it further. Aug 12 12:44:33 Good idea! Aug 12 12:45:03 nice, exported all my data from bbdb to dlume ;) Aug 12 12:45:06 woot Aug 12 12:45:13 ecraven let me know how it works out Aug 12 12:45:28 if i could get matchbox-stroke working well, it might even be cool Aug 12 12:45:43 hmm make fso-image one error after the other Aug 12 12:46:06 and kopete won't compile without accessibility support Aug 12 12:46:51 hm.. i think writing my own matchbox-stroke config is the best ;) Aug 12 12:47:04 matholio: I only edited the base file, and it "just worked", but I havent rebuilt ASU, just used release Aug 12 12:47:41 ecraven ;) Aug 12 12:47:42 have fun! :D Aug 12 12:47:49 before your vacation!? You're crazy! Aug 12 12:48:15 Ok, it was a first try. I'll need to update some packages or the whole Debian installation. Thanks and bye. Aug 12 12:48:30 Uhh okay. Aug 12 12:49:28 anyone advise me which kernel I should use with OM2008.8 Aug 12 12:49:40 currently I don't have any wifi... Aug 12 12:49:44 heh Aug 12 12:49:46 update Aug 12 12:51:31 Dave: to which kernel, the latest buildhost one is broken as well, seemingly Aug 12 12:51:38 hmm, my status icons went away as I installed orrery. KenYoung? Aug 12 12:51:52 I thought there was a fix for that. Aug 12 12:51:57 Infoport, yep! Aug 12 12:52:03 just restart X if you're concerned Aug 12 12:52:04 :p Aug 12 12:52:41 /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart Aug 12 12:52:52 Dave: yeah, that what I'm doing... does installing ipk files usually do that? Aug 12 12:52:52 Joerg! Aug 12 12:53:01 yep Aug 12 12:53:06 sometimes, depends on what it does! Aug 12 12:53:10 black magic! Aug 12 12:53:47 Dave: smae as audio noise: pure voodoo :-( Aug 12 12:53:57 heehee aww Aug 12 12:54:12 Joerg, how come every time I plugin my phone to charge, it deregisters from the gsm network? Aug 12 12:54:18 really pissed off right now Aug 12 12:54:23 :( Aug 12 12:54:28 Dave: hmm strange Aug 12 12:54:29 Joerg, want a hug? Aug 12 12:54:36 Dave: that's why I want a folding keyboard-- so I don't have to type so many command-line things with that predictive keypad (or worse, the ABC DEF kb) Aug 12 12:54:36 :-) Aug 12 12:54:39 :) Aug 12 12:55:00 * Dave hugs joerg Aug 12 12:55:07 me away for some decent dinner Aug 12 12:55:18 * jOERG_away smiles Aug 12 12:55:48 Dave: I want to sit outside, enjoy a cigar, and type on my phone's command line (everything sounds geekier once its out of my head) Aug 12 12:56:06 :) Aug 12 12:56:26 Infoport, apparently! :D Aug 12 12:56:30 Infoport, sorry, back now and reading your link Aug 12 12:57:26 OH NO Aug 12 12:57:29 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH Aug 12 12:57:33 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH Aug 12 12:58:05 It's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack! Aug 12 12:58:29 haha Aug 12 12:58:58 * hipitihop says "that cut deep shrek, real deep" Aug 12 12:59:20 The evil pointer bug is back! Aug 12 12:59:29 Wow, that almost made me want to cry. Aug 12 12:59:41 * zash pokes Dave with the EVUL POINTER OF DOOM Aug 12 12:59:45 Then violently stab some developer. Aug 12 12:59:58 hipitihop: np! did you get it working? if not, those directions worked for me. matholio said he had problems, but may be b/c of odd ASU build Aug 12 13:00:17 I think I'll try to get my mind off it by playing with epiano Aug 12 13:01:24 Infoport, still not working, although that link suggests clean way of doing things, I'm confused why it doesn't work by manually editing resolf.conf Aug 12 13:01:29 Great, why is the sound not working now. Aug 12 13:01:33 uggh Aug 12 13:02:20 hipitihop: it should work by editing resolv.conf, UNTIL you reboot and resolvconf overwrites it (because the program resolvconf is now in charge) Aug 12 13:02:41 * Dave por Zorkman Aug 12 13:03:36 Infoport, that was my understanding too, but I can't get it to work manually either. Once we crack that then making sure things work after reboot will be the goal and I'm sure your link will apply Aug 12 13:05:03 Infoport, I'm suspecting the problem is the dekstop config somehow but I'm not up to speed with hacking iptables or the like to understand what's wrong Aug 12 13:05:16 hipitihop: sounds good! remember that you can ping an outside NUMERIC IP to see if you are getting to internet vs whether names are resolved Aug 12 13:05:24 Infoport: in the asu I am not convinced autoresolv is working correctly as I have inserted data into the head and base config files for it and it is still not generating it using them, infact it is not even putting in the default autoresolv header of #This file is managed by .... " etc etc Aug 12 13:06:01 meh I meant resolvconf not autoresolv... :) Aug 12 13:06:15 Infoport, yes I realize that and it is not just a nameserver issue afaik, it is something the desktop is doing on not doing to allow the neo past Aug 12 13:06:26 Speedevil, so do we have any good lines on cheap high-capacity microsd cards? Aug 12 13:06:51 hipitihop: I use my internal router address for gateway, and didnt hack iptables Aug 12 13:07:25 Tig| did you reboot or do resolvconf -u ? Aug 12 13:07:43 Infoport: rebooted Aug 12 13:07:51 ok so who else in here has their phone on irssi and ipv6 ! Aug 12 13:08:02 Hell yeah! Aug 12 13:08:10 * Dave high-fives xt Aug 12 13:08:17 * xt\fr high-fives Dave Aug 12 13:08:17 that's what I did when I had FSO installed, had to update resolv.conf if I rember right and everything just worked, so puzzled now on 2008.8 why it is not working Aug 12 13:08:59 :D Aug 12 13:09:13 see what you get for turning your back on fso ;) Aug 12 13:09:21 I have moved back to FSO from ASU as the keyboard is 5000000 times better and works :) and also FSO talks to my GSM network and the ASU doesn't :) Aug 12 13:09:49 Infoport, and since the neo sees the desktop and destop sees the neo and I can ssh into neo, then it's probably not a problem for this list and is more some basic networking issue Aug 12 13:10:12 mickeyl, shush :p Aug 12 13:10:24 mickeyl: ace work on the FSO :) all I need now is to work out why it keeps dropping of the GSM provider and why none of the wifi guis are working on it :) Aug 12 13:10:48 see, zhone is just a glimpse of the beginning. once we have the framework done, there's so much we can do on UI level... Aug 12 13:22:03 how do you close applications in ASU? Aug 12 13:22:17 Sargun_screen: pkill! Aug 12 13:22:29 hipitihop: might be gateway? mine uses router internal IP, and desktop just forwards it through automagicaly Aug 12 13:22:40 seriously? Aug 12 13:22:50 Sargun_screen: the remove button in the illume dropdown closes the running app (last time i checked) Aug 12 13:23:15 Sargun_screen: little arrow at top expands list of running apps, shows tag "Remove" which closes current Aug 12 13:24:19 a red "X" would probably be better and more international Aug 12 13:24:22 the OM2008.8 "Guide" in the wiki REALLY needs more info, esp since methods changed so much from OM2007 to 2008.8 Aug 12 13:24:34 Infoport, my router's internal ip is 192.168.0.1 and that is the gateway for the desktop machine which 192.168.0.4, the neo is currently setup as 192.168.1.202 with desktop usb as 192.168.1.200 Aug 12 13:24:59 maybe after I've had coffee and a cigar I'll add to the wiki... Aug 12 13:25:22 Infoport: I'll try it. Aug 12 13:25:41 hipitihop: in USB networking they have a bit where you put gateway 192.168.0.1(your router number) That did it for me Aug 12 13:28:02 * hipitihop reads USB networking once again Aug 12 13:29:25 should i post my shell script i use to set up usbnetworking and iptables to the wiki? Aug 12 13:30:23 hipitihop: or I thought it was there?? anyway, in /etc/network/interfaces below network 192.168.0.0, put the line gateway 192.168.0.1(for your router) Aug 12 13:30:56 neo end ? Aug 12 13:31:01 hipitihop: maybe they changed it for a better way, but that's what I did Aug 12 13:32:26 Infoport, on the neo end the gateway is set to 192.168.1.200 which is the desktop end isn't that needed for neo to see the desktop ? Aug 12 13:33:01 hipitihop: hmm. wait, maybe its different on OM2008.8... I think I may have two different interfaces files for the two OSes Aug 12 13:33:51 Infoport, also afaik there is no terminal on 2008.8 so if I break the connection to desktop I won't be able to ssh in anymore Aug 12 13:33:58 hipitihop: yes on the neo, but ow I'm thinking I may have used a more complicated setup after wiki updated...let me reboot and look on 2008.8 Aug 12 13:34:16 Infoport, appreciate your time Aug 12 13:34:27 hipitihop: there is a terminal, but you have to install it (yeah should have been stock) Aug 12 13:34:52 Infoport, can't install it until I get internet via the usb link to desktop ;-) Aug 12 13:35:22 Infoport, unless there is some other linux trick. Aug 12 13:35:22 hipitihop: aha! actually, you *could* download to desktop, scp over to neo, install, PRESTO! Aug 12 13:36:04 what i use is http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/36833/ it uses iptables to route everything on usb0 to my wifi on ath0 Aug 12 13:36:57 Infoport, happy to try that while your booting into 2008 anyone have link to the opkg file for the 2008.8 terminal ? Aug 12 13:37:39 i could work it out Aug 12 13:38:46 dns53, is this a script or something in interfaces ? Aug 12 13:39:18 well you look at your opkg sources for the url's Aug 12 13:43:05 hipitihop: well it looks like my 2008.8 uses 192.168.0.200 for the gateway! I thought that didnt work when I got FR with OM2007, but I must have configured IP forwarding/masquerading on the desktop since.(prob b/c of new instructions at wiki) Aug 12 13:44:23 Infoport, well at least that is one grey area resolved, so since mine is setup on 192.168.1.200 then it is correct and the answer must be on the desk Aug 12 13:44:58 hehe, writing strokes.xml is fun! Aug 12 13:46:35 Infoport, what does your resolv.conf have ? Aug 12 13:47:25 hipitihop: nameserver 192.168.1.(router_ip) Aug 12 13:48:23 Infoport, hmm, mine also, must be iptables masq etc on desktop related. checking iptables Aug 12 13:48:28 i prefer opendns as it will be there if the internet is Aug 12 13:48:37 hipitihop: I think that URL posted by dns53 has the desktop side that goes with using the .200 IP as gateway Aug 12 13:49:16 it puts masq in iptables, so I think you're on the right path Aug 12 13:49:20 That is something I can try manually via the cli ? Aug 12 13:49:44 substituting 192.168.1.x where appropriate Aug 12 13:49:48 that's what i do, change ath0 to eth0 Aug 12 13:50:35 and since I have a current ssh session to my neo then I asume lines 1 and 2 are not necessary Aug 12 13:50:37 hipitihop: but my home network IS on 192.168.1.#, so only use .1. if yours is too Aug 12 13:51:28 Infoport, damn getting confused again, my home network is on 192.168.0.x including router on 192.168.0.1 Aug 12 13:52:03 * hipitihop notes that each time he things hhe's getting the hang of networking, he discovers there's more to know Aug 12 13:52:04 well my script is based on interfaces so you don't worry about the netmasks Aug 12 13:53:34 hipitihop: so you shouldn't sub in .1.x, yours will still be .0.x (as your network is) the only .0.x on mine is the usb0 from each side now Aug 12 13:54:47 hipitihop: heck, I figured out how to do this last week, and then they changed methods a few days later! that's why one is still using the gateway's address (*last week's* method) Aug 12 13:55:48 been learning from my mistakes FULL TIME :-D Aug 12 13:55:52 How can i get wifi to work on the 2008.8 image? Aug 12 13:57:35 hipitihop: sad thing is, I used to have to manually configure it ALL in the early days of RedHat, but I got rusty Aug 12 13:58:17 now, most Linux "just works", and those brain cells havent gotten enough exercise XD Aug 12 14:01:00 KenSentMe settings > wifi > on > your ap you cannot have usb and wifi at the same time Aug 12 14:01:01 dns53, from what I understand iptables changes won't effect existing connection to neo correct ? Aug 12 14:01:46 no, your current ssh will work, it just makes a blank rule that everything it recieves is processed in a different way Aug 12 14:02:11 hipitihop: the iptables stuff in /interfaces on desktop was the least painful part of 2008.8 Aug 12 14:02:28 dns53, iow I have an existing ssh session to neo from which I am testing if the neo can get out. Do I need to shut that down and reestablish the ssh session Aug 12 14:03:08 dns53, ah, then that is my problem, had usb on Aug 12 14:03:34 hipitihop: check out the stuff in USB networking about SSH *keys* though-- otherwise your desktop might complain that the new key from 2008.8 doesnt match the key it has, for what it sees as the same machine. The solution is to copy the same key over Aug 12 14:04:07 dns53, should i reboot after unplugging usb before using wifi? Aug 12 14:04:07 hipitihop you should not need to, it is more just blanket rules for when your phone makes a socket out, it does not effect the incoming to the phone Aug 12 14:04:21 Infoport, yip no problem there. I occasionaly clear my known.hosts Aug 12 14:04:24 KenSentMe you don't need to, wait a second Aug 12 14:04:28 ok, coffee and cigar break! enough eating bandwidth and disk for a bit Aug 12 14:04:47 thanks Infoport Aug 12 14:05:54 dns53, tried your pastebin stuff an dstill no response from neo trying to ping out, only sees desktop...reckecking iptables Aug 12 14:06:46 dns53, wifi is still set to 'unknown' Aug 12 14:06:47 change ath0 to eth0 Aug 12 14:07:10 dns53, chaged to eth1 Aug 12 14:09:00 dns53, see http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/36842/ Aug 12 14:09:55 why is your usb0 192.168.1.200? Aug 12 14:10:06 it should be 192.168.0.200 Aug 12 14:10:22 your netmask on your neo would be blocking it Aug 12 14:10:31 dns53, because I have been on this channel most of the day and one point someone told me I needed it on a seperate subnet Aug 12 14:10:37 is there an x keysym that terminals will recognize as "clear this line"? Aug 12 14:11:17 I'll pastebin my neo's interfaces file, standby Aug 12 14:11:35 hipitihop you need the same subnet for your link between your neo and your computer, it can be easier if your neo and your network are different subnets but not essential Aug 12 14:12:42 dns53, I think I have sunk about 5 hours trying to get this to work so happy for it to work any which way Aug 12 14:13:42 well if your phone is 1.202 and your usb0 on your computer 1.200 it will work, same wit 0.200 and 0.202 Aug 12 14:14:09 dns53, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/36846/ Aug 12 14:14:57 dns53, damn I'm glad I'm trying something simple like networking across the usb, wait till I want to get the wifi stuff going ;-) Aug 12 14:15:46 dns53, if you need other listing from desktop end just ask Aug 12 14:15:50 has anybody an link for me howto setup an openmoko sdk? the links in the wiki dont exists anymore.. Aug 12 14:16:55 so the rest of your network is 192.168.0.* ? Aug 12 14:18:28 dns53, yes, including my routers Aug 12 14:18:56 try running: iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.1.192/26 Aug 12 14:20:33 you may have already added lots of routes yourself and may have gotten things confused Aug 12 14:20:55 dns53, i rebooted the phone. Wifi is still set to 'unknown'. Is there some other way to test if it is working or not? Aug 12 14:20:59 iptables -L to list, and iptables -t nat -L Aug 12 14:21:56 KenSentMe unknown means there must be a bug and the device may not be there it works fine for me much of the time but i use the wireless on my laptop and usb Aug 12 14:22:39 dns53, is there a terminal program on the 2008.8 image? Aug 12 14:24:28 KenSentMe ssh to your box and opkg install openmoko-terminal2 Aug 12 14:25:03 dns53, iptables output http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/36851 Aug 12 14:25:58 you have 2 nat rules, run iptable -t nat - Aug 12 14:26:21 iptables -t nat -D POSTROUTING 1 Aug 12 14:28:48 dns53, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/36853/ Aug 12 14:29:34 does it work? Aug 12 14:30:21 anyone know of any software bluetooth keyboard? Aug 12 14:30:23 dns53, nope can't ping www.google.com or router 192.168.0.1 Aug 12 14:30:57 xt no but i want one :) Aug 12 14:31:09 dns53, but can ping desktop 192.168.0.4 or 192.168.1.200 Aug 12 14:32:23 dns53, if it already was not evident, this is a Ubuntu 8.04 desktop/laptop Aug 12 14:32:45 hipitihop: have you done the NAT setup and forwarding thing on yiour desktop? Aug 12 14:32:59 that is where we are at Aug 12 14:33:34 oh - sorry - small window Aug 12 14:33:39 SpeedEvil, ditto dns53, it's where we are bogged Aug 12 14:35:02 dns53, would my desktop interfaces file help ? Aug 12 14:37:34 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r9d7eb9572cfc 10/packages/efl1/ (ecore.inc ecore_cvs.bb): [ecore] Fix DEPENDS to make the build deterministic Aug 12 14:37:34 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re8c57c8226d1 10/packages/efl1/ (evas.inc evas_cvs.bb): [evas] Fix DEPENDS to make the build deterministic Aug 12 14:38:21 JeffJohnson: I think we've got the same problem :) Aug 12 14:38:44 i think the netmask on your computer is the problem, try makeing it 255.255.0.0 Aug 12 14:40:17 what i have, the default phone setup, ip:192.168.0.200, netmask 255.255.255.0, gateway 192.168.0.200 Aug 12 14:40:38 on 2008.8 ? Aug 12 14:41:52 my usb0 on my computer 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.248 Aug 12 14:42:19 i have iptables set up to take everyhing on usb0 and forward it to ath0 (or eth0) Aug 12 14:43:01 dns53, are you saying I should 'ifconfig usb0 192.168.1.200 netmask 255.255.0.0' ? Aug 12 14:43:43 maybe, try it, try a netmask of 255.255.255.248 as well Aug 12 14:44:22 dns 255.255.255.248 is what I have to run to ping and ssh into the neo Aug 12 14:45:13 k Aug 12 14:46:26 i'm going to have to go to bed soon Aug 12 14:46:51 dns53, appreciate your help, don't let me keep you up Aug 12 14:49:00 the problems you can have is you have the ip ranges and netmasks as well as routing between devices, you need both to work. Aug 12 14:57:31 while creating package In .bb file do_install() has this "install -m 0644 ${WORKDIR}/README.txt ${D}${docdir}/pyhelloworld" but after installing package , I couldn't find README.txt Aug 12 14:58:04 its in packagename-doc.ipk Aug 12 15:06:40 hmm, wondering if there are some modules attachable with magnetics for gsm, that can work over bluetooth? Aug 12 15:07:00 have found some gps over bluetooth modules Aug 12 15:13:16 when I opkg remove , it gives No packages removed. what is going on? Aug 12 15:13:47 hmm Aug 12 15:14:09 upkg update;upkg upgrade - and failed to download kernel-modules Aug 12 15:14:13 any ideas why? :\ Aug 12 15:14:29 because you touch yourself at night Aug 12 15:14:57 how to use opkg remove? Aug 12 15:15:23 http://www.telecom-store.de/falcom/?gclid=CPSJ_pjLiJUCFQFbtAodb2ACYA something like those, but what interface for connecting? Aug 12 15:16:26 kd8ikt, its not mom, its ur uncle here right now, but i'll let her know, perhaps that is really the issue. Aug 12 15:19:10 hi there ah on 2007.2 how does one export a calendar from the computer to ones phone ? Aug 12 15:21:32 http://www.easydevices.co.uk/pp/GSM_GPRS_Modems/GLOBALSAT_GT703_BLUETOOTH_GSM_GPRS_MODEM.html Aug 12 15:21:41 hmm, there is one actually Aug 12 15:22:11 quite big to use it as mountable gadget Aug 12 15:22:18 my ipod can do it .. so why can't my linux phone use my calendar ? Aug 12 15:23:01 dbmoodb: "a calendar"? Aug 12 15:23:09 yeah dude .ics Aug 12 15:23:40 dbmoodb: just run some lighter calendar program then Aug 12 15:23:47 ah ? Aug 12 15:24:56 went outside to get a GPS lock but locations in OM2008.8 couldn't get one. Am I doing something wrong? Aug 12 15:25:02 or should I try it with tangoGPS Aug 12 15:27:28 anyone using 20080811? Aug 12 15:28:06 Torikun, how do I get that one? :P just opkg update and opkg upgrade? Aug 12 15:28:12 No Aug 12 15:28:15 you have to reflash Aug 12 15:28:29 ok Aug 12 15:28:30 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080811/openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 Aug 12 15:28:41 Torikun...i am Aug 12 15:28:42 thx Aug 12 15:28:46 There is a lot of updates this morning Aug 12 15:28:47 lol Aug 12 15:28:54 I havent updated it today Aug 12 15:29:01 Torikun: 20080811 is probably not what you think it is Aug 12 15:29:09 Pyrasi: How do you like the new image Aug 12 15:29:14 I find it more stable and useable Aug 12 15:29:33 Web Browser still does not work when I connect to Wifi but opkg does Aug 12 15:29:37 Torikun, more than friday's release? Aug 12 15:29:38 I like it.....its much more usable for me Aug 12 15:29:45 I got the installer to appera Aug 12 15:29:45 Way more runnin_free Aug 12 15:29:53 and terminal/browser Aug 12 15:29:54 * XorA is boggled, the buildhost builds are actually working at the moment Aug 12 15:29:55 I gotta check out the installer Aug 12 15:29:55 nice, i'll have to try that out Aug 12 15:29:56 lol Aug 12 15:30:08 I hope that all these updates will add to stability Aug 12 15:30:18 Pidgin works great if I am plugged via USB cable only Aug 12 15:30:23 I was actually chatting on here last night on irc via pidgin via a wireless network on it Aug 12 15:30:42 How do you get the gui apps to work on wifi Aug 12 15:30:43 Pyrasi, pidgin runs? Aug 12 15:30:56 runnin_free: pidgin works great Aug 12 15:30:58 pidgin runs on all builds Aug 12 15:31:00 I logged in last year using telnet + gta01 +gprs Aug 12 15:31:12 I diddn't actually say anything as I couldn't recall teh command :) Aug 12 15:31:16 i did not know that, do you have to compile it or is there an ipk Aug 12 15:31:17 just get the scaredycat repo and type opkg install pidgin Aug 12 15:31:20 ah Aug 12 15:31:25 dosbox works good 2 Aug 12 15:31:26 lol Aug 12 15:31:29 SpeedEvil: what, no netcat? Aug 12 15:31:39 i havent tried dosbox.....can you run anything useful with it? Aug 12 15:31:46 I just ran dosbox Aug 12 15:31:46 lol Aug 12 15:31:47 XorA, buildhost working? Aug 12 15:31:55 SpeedEvil: lol, but what protocol? Aug 12 15:31:58 There is a lot of updates today spdr_ on buildhost Aug 12 15:32:03 i saw Aug 12 15:32:07 the one complaint i have with it is that it is slower than 2008.8.....especially at resuming Aug 12 15:32:12 but it failed to download kernel modules Aug 12 15:32:13 spdr_: its in the middle of a build Aug 12 15:32:15 for some reason Aug 12 15:32:21 oh, that explains it :) Aug 12 15:32:26 Yeagh. Ileft the phone on standby all night and I have no battery left Aug 12 15:32:30 spdr_: another hour or so and all feed indexes should be current again Aug 12 15:32:33 Standby is a killer Aug 12 15:32:44 XorA, cool, thanks Aug 12 15:32:46 it takes almost too long to resume when a call came in to get the call Aug 12 15:32:47 so 20080811 run fine? Aug 12 15:32:53 Yes Aug 12 15:32:55 works pretty well for me Aug 12 15:32:56 zash: telnet Aug 12 15:33:01 zogs: Way better stability Aug 12 15:33:02 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080811/openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 Aug 12 15:33:05 zash: telnet to irc.freenode.com irc Aug 12 15:33:20 zash: and you can use IRC - though you have to do all of the client-side stuff yourself. Aug 12 15:33:20 i overwrote the .edje file with one from the old ASU builds....so i have the black background and qwerty button Aug 12 15:33:20 SpeedEvil: sic! Aug 12 15:33:33 gsm and pin_dialog run fine? Aug 12 15:33:35 zash: it's basically possible and annoying. Aug 12 15:33:42 SpeedEvil: but, sic! Aug 12 15:33:54 ok forget what i said -- the phone updates the calendar from the ics files -- but only on reboot Aug 12 15:34:00 SpeedEvil: http://www.suckless.org/programs/sic.html Aug 12 15:34:11 also, ii is coul Aug 12 15:34:42 Torikun: the installer is already on your phone....if you want to see it, just goto /usr/share/applications/ and open the assassin.desktop file and edit the "Categories:" part to say something like "Categories:Office;" instead of what it does Aug 12 15:34:55 ah Aug 12 15:35:16 its set to appear in the config menu by default ....but for some reason i cant get the little wrench to goto the config menu to appear Aug 12 15:35:48 i also like the full qwerty keyboard with the 20080811 image....much easier for terminal use. Aug 12 15:35:52 Yes Aug 12 15:36:03 if you hold the keyboard you can really zoom in Aug 12 15:36:07 and select your key acuratly Aug 12 15:36:09 it's cool Aug 12 15:36:13 full qwerty..cool Aug 12 15:36:26 tss, i want full dvorak Aug 12 15:36:33 Torikun....have you noticed it being considerably slower than 2008.8 though? Aug 12 15:36:37 y0y0 I try it Aug 12 15:36:41 I think it is faster Aug 12 15:36:56 Settings loads slower , that is the only downside so far Aug 12 15:37:05 Torikun: gsm adn pin_dialog work fine? Aug 12 15:37:07 I dont mean with the programs Aug 12 15:37:19 Boot seems faster Aug 12 15:37:22 zogs: what do you mean Aug 12 15:37:40 i mean like animations and resume are slower. I think its because this build is not using that xglamo library Aug 12 15:37:54 ah Aug 12 15:38:22 pin_dialog and SD problem <- https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1765 Aug 12 15:38:25 however....definately much more stable. The calls even sound good by default i noticed....didnt have to edit the gsmhandset file Aug 12 15:38:32 Yup Aug 12 15:38:37 and I was able to reeive calls Aug 12 15:38:45 sim card works Aug 12 15:39:01 oh does the sim get remounted to /media/card after suspend? i didnt even check that Aug 12 15:39:10 dunno Aug 12 15:39:14 s/sim/sd card/gi Aug 12 15:39:14 sim isnt mounted anywhere Aug 12 15:39:18 :-D Aug 12 15:39:30 There are SIMs with mass-storage on them. Aug 12 15:39:43 Wait... No. It's mounted on the back just under the battery. ;) Aug 12 15:39:58 gpe-filemanager is pretty nice Aug 12 15:39:58 SpeedEvil: there are SIM's inside SD cards :-) Aug 12 15:40:15 There is a gtk image for 20080812, but no Qtopia yet Aug 12 15:40:30 Torikun: its building right now Aug 12 15:40:37 ah Aug 12 15:40:39 Torikun: I can see it in my console :-) Aug 12 15:40:49 XorA: How can I upgrade without reimaging Aug 12 15:41:22 Torikun: when build finished opkg upgrade should work Aug 12 15:41:29 let me say... Orrey rocks! I can only make out the sun right now, but another thing to make me stay up late :-D Aug 12 15:41:39 Orrery Aug 12 15:42:09 hmmm.....doesnt look like the sd card getting mounted to the wrong place is fixed yet....i wish it would get fixed already...its kinda annoying Aug 12 15:42:24 Pyrasi: where is it getting mounted? Aug 12 15:43:31 which makes since....because that is default.....but i wish it would just stay in the same place.....either get rid of /media/card on first boot or keep it there Aug 12 15:44:00 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Orrery next step is for KenYoung to let it get the dir you are facing from GPS movement (optionally, so it doesn't swing around from drift or without your intent) Aug 12 15:44:08 Pyrasi: it moves from /media/card to /media/mmcblk0p1?? Aug 12 15:44:13 yes Aug 12 15:44:21 Pyrasi: ok cool, I can look into that Aug 12 15:44:22 after resume. Aug 12 15:44:40 I dont tend to suspend much as it seems to fuckup more often than not on my beta hardware Aug 12 15:45:10 cool. Thanks for checking it out. Aug 12 15:45:23 suspend works fine for me... except resume i keep getting that white screen of death Aug 12 15:45:28 The battery will die faster XorA Aug 12 15:46:51 Torikun: I have a whole pile of batteries :-) Aug 12 15:47:24 lol Aug 12 15:47:44 nice solution you got there Aug 12 15:47:53 should wifi be turned off to save energy before batter goes into standby Aug 12 15:48:41 JeffJohnson: did you get an answer about link that *used* to be on wiki? If you know where it was, you can click the History tab on that page and go through older copies of the page Aug 12 15:51:42 Torikun, is today's release better at handling qtopia apps after suspend? I'm running friday's and all the qtopia apps are slow as hell after suspend Aug 12 15:51:46 sapres kit gives you two extra FIC batteries, nice OM soft case and headphones :thumbup: Aug 12 15:52:09 runnin_free: I think 20080811 is great. Everything working fine except for my wifi issue Aug 12 15:52:22 i wish i could just buy the batteries....ive already got the OM case and headphones Aug 12 15:52:32 200808 was crap in my opinion runnin_free Aug 12 15:52:53 *20080808 Aug 12 15:52:58 yeah Aug 12 15:53:21 I ws thinking about going back to qtopia until I tried 20080811 Aug 12 15:53:35 sweet, i'll give it a try :) Aug 12 15:53:47 my experience with 20080808 wasn't so bad though Aug 12 15:53:57 lol Aug 12 15:54:59 boy clusters are loud! Aug 12 15:55:41 Pyrasi: you could buy the spares kit and sell the OpenMoko soft pouch to someone/on ebay...I thought it was rather cool (but of course wanted extra batteries too) Aug 12 15:56:18 Torikun: and stick in your teeth :-P Aug 12 15:56:29 lol Aug 12 15:56:33 2 different kinds but haha Aug 12 15:56:33 lol Aug 12 15:58:05 Infoport: i may....i only really want 1 spare battery...so i may just go in halfs with someone and give them the rest of the extras Aug 12 15:58:28 Torikun there was a Linux journal article a bit back on a lunchbox size cluster, take your Beowulf on the train :-D Aug 12 15:58:49 lol Aug 12 15:58:57 haha Aug 12 15:59:15 a beowulf of mokos? that would be awesome Aug 12 15:59:17 Sad that clusters do not do what I want =( Aug 12 15:59:42 buildhost finished building for today Aug 12 15:59:46 KenYoung does need to unmark Orrery from "Office" apps-- stargazing at work is usually only encouraged at observatories Aug 12 16:00:01 XorA...do you know of any interesting updates in it? Aug 12 16:00:12 Pyrasi: nothing since yesterday I think Aug 12 16:00:25 fair enough. Aug 12 16:00:27 the feeds are complete again though, or should be Aug 12 16:00:37 XorA: I can update now? Aug 12 16:00:37 * XorA hopes they worked Aug 12 16:00:46 Torikun: if there is anything to update yes Aug 12 16:01:09 Pyrasi: hey! a moko cluster that *calls* for more nodes when needed? hmm... Aug 12 16:01:22 Infoport: do it1 Aug 12 16:01:24 Xora! Aug 12 16:01:27 Dave! Aug 12 16:01:40 XorA: one more question if you dont mind....what exactly ARE these images on the buildhost? Are they like dev images from the ASU tree or something? Aug 12 16:01:41 imagine a beowulf cluster of those! Aug 12 16:01:42 Infoport: or .. wakeonlan Aug 12 16:01:44 Infoport: yeah I did that Aug 12 16:01:48 moved from PIM into Apps Aug 12 16:01:51 <--uses Beowulf everyday Aug 12 16:01:52 lol Aug 12 16:01:55 CHOX Aug 12 16:02:26 Pyrasi: they are some of the ASU stuff merged with OE updates Aug 12 16:02:34 Pyrasi: they lag behind ASU at the moment Aug 12 16:02:36 No updates! What a disgrace! j/k Aug 12 16:02:51 xora, did you by chance happen to move some of the om stuff around on buildhost last night? Aug 12 16:03:24 DaveLab: already?? cool! I'll reinstall, orrery is sweet (I've already impressed ppl with it after installing earlier this morning) Aug 12 16:03:42 DaveLab: last night there was a partial build Aug 12 16:06:05 XorA: should i reflash to 20080812? Aug 12 16:06:14 or did opkg take care of that Aug 12 16:06:25 Torikun: an opkg upgrade should be the same thing Aug 12 16:06:26 opkg should take care of it Torikun. Aug 12 16:06:42 if your repos are set to buildhost Aug 12 16:06:50 the time stamp still says 11 aug for time stamp Aug 12 16:06:55 has anyone got the illume keyboard from the FSO image running on the ASU yet? Aug 12 16:07:43 XorA: Under settings, the time stamp still says 11Aug 2008 Aug 12 16:07:54 20080811 has it sometimes......about every other time i try it has that keyboard and then other times it has the Qtopia one. Aug 12 16:08:14 Pyrasi: damn :( Aug 12 16:09:01 Torikun: that file wont change Aug 12 16:09:06 Ah Aug 12 16:09:08 how about the multitap pad? Is it possible to use that under 200808? Aug 12 16:09:18 there is no 200808 Aug 12 16:09:46 and at the moment the stuff on buildhost is a bit random due to two big merges from OE.dev and ASU.dev Aug 12 16:09:55 we need to stabilise it and fix it up a little Aug 12 16:10:14 FSO and ASU are both putting things into the image, hence the colourful background Aug 12 16:10:28 but, in ASU then, will it be possible to use the multitap pad? Aug 12 16:10:59 note-- to get orrery under Applications and *not* PIM, opkg remove orrery first, then install newer ipk package Aug 12 16:11:15 ohhh....i see....so does that mean the new dbus stuff is actually implemented in the 20080811 build i have? Aug 12 16:11:48 (the dbus framework stuff from FSO i mean) Aug 12 16:11:54 Pyrasi: no Aug 12 16:12:01 does anyone out there have known good alsa state files? I seem to have messed up mine. Aug 12 16:12:05 Pyrasi: just some odds and ends leaked into the image like the illume theme Aug 12 16:12:43 the BIG confusion is that OM2007 has a 20080808 build, but OM2008.8 is the different, new OS Aug 12 16:12:46 wyeager: reinstall openmoko-alsa-scenarios Aug 12 16:13:04 thanks! Aug 12 16:13:08 Infoport: as the topic says 200808 just means August to the buildhost Aug 12 16:13:42 i see. Fair enough then =). I replaced the theme anyway......though i havent been able to get the little wrench to appear in this build....do you know what file I should change/install to get the wrench for config options to appear? Aug 12 16:13:46 XorA I know, just trying to avoid saying RTFM Aug 12 16:14:01 RTFT :-) Aug 12 16:14:12 Pyrasi install illume-something CONFIG Aug 12 16:14:32 XorA: sorry, but will ASU have a multitap pad like the one shipped with 2007, or just the predictive and keyboard from qtopia? Aug 12 16:15:23 Zero_Dogg: no idea, thats upto the designers Aug 12 16:15:38 XorA: right, thanks. fingers crossed then Aug 12 16:16:18 crap Aug 12 16:16:35 Xora, I was disappointed because I set mokomakefile to build 2007 last night Aug 12 16:16:49 and when I came back this morning, wouldn't you know, it failed early into the build process :( Aug 12 16:16:56 :-( Aug 12 16:17:10 NOTE: package glibc-2.6.1: failed Aug 12 16:17:27 hello to everybody.. i want a opinion on FSO M2 Aug 12 16:17:28 It failed 637 of 7057 :\ Aug 12 16:17:35 what do you think Aug 12 16:17:38 ? Aug 12 16:18:01 admiral0: well phone works, sms ropey, keyboard wonderful, gps works out of the box Aug 12 16:18:05 All it tells me is that localedef returned an error. Aug 12 16:18:29 Tig|: if i put it instead of 2007.02? Aug 12 16:18:31 DaveLab: hmm, thats normally a problem with qemu on your system Aug 12 16:18:32 anyone who has commit access to the fso git here could do me a lil favour?.... Aug 12 16:18:37 Xora, qemu? Aug 12 16:18:54 DaveLab: arm emulator used to run localdef Aug 12 16:19:00 right Aug 12 16:19:04 DaveLab: got the full error you can pastebin? Aug 12 16:19:07 I was just wasn't aware that it ran under qemu Aug 12 16:19:09 Xora sure Aug 12 16:19:19 btw are you one of these fedora people? Aug 12 16:19:40 fedora people? Aug 12 16:19:53 DaveLab: run Fedora Core or Redhat Enterprise Aug 12 16:19:56 * DaveLab hides Aug 12 16:20:07 Infoport: no I didn't get any answers, http://oe.linuxtogo.org/ is under maintenance, where the howto resides.. But about the SDK VM i dont know anything :) seems that I must setup an on my own Aug 12 16:20:17 Xora, I'm a debian person, but I just happened to be compiling on a fc box -_-; Aug 12 16:20:35 DaveLab: that explains it then, there is a bad patch in fedora kernel that buggers qemu Aug 12 16:20:43 fuck Aug 12 16:20:53 there is a workaround gimme a secx Aug 12 16:20:58 Xora, that's strange since make qemu works fine on it... Aug 12 16:21:00 oh well Aug 12 16:21:02 okay! Aug 12 16:21:07 yeah, shitty work computers Aug 12 16:21:30 ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" in local.conf Aug 12 16:21:35 muh Aug 12 16:21:38 shitty home computers Aug 12 16:21:44 image will take a few secs longer to boot, but will work Aug 12 16:21:48 can't play hulu.com full screen Aug 12 16:22:16 ok, $20 to the first person to get FR to stream Netflix movies. Aug 12 16:22:16 Xora, okay... Aug 12 16:22:49 anyway I finished my working day :-) Aug 12 16:22:58 Chox is 7-10 FPS enough? ;-) Aug 12 16:23:18 Infoport: 12 would be good enough. Aug 12 16:23:19 Xora, see ya :) Aug 12 16:23:32 I believe it is now time to pester Chox :D Aug 12 16:23:36 wheeeee Aug 12 16:23:44 >:) Aug 12 16:23:56 FR to stream netflix movies? hah! Aug 12 16:24:03 heh, why not? ;-) Aug 12 16:24:04 Chox I think the big problem would be DRM from Netflix, pretty sure they dont even support Linux desktop Aug 12 16:24:24 true, but the Roku box has a degree of hackability. Aug 12 16:24:33 that's MIPS of course, but in priciple, it could be done. Aug 12 16:25:09 Chox, so have you been gaming on your freerunner much? Aug 12 16:25:21 barely touched it in the last week Aug 12 16:25:27 TBH Aug 12 16:25:33 Hi, i installed 2008.8 image. However it isnt able to connect to the gsm network, the phone is not registered. Is that a known problem and is there a solution? Aug 12 16:25:59 * Chox is waiting for power saving to improve a bit, plus I have some other projects to complete Aug 12 16:26:05 Battery life is very much a work in progress. Suspend works for some people in some images on freerunner, leading to >24h suspend times. It looks plausible from various sources of information and testing that 3-5 hours of talk time, 20h of mp3 playing, and a week of standby should be possible. Aug 12 16:26:11 * Chox spanks Speedy Aug 12 16:26:38 np: Isaac Hayes - Choxolate salty balls. Aug 12 16:26:47 buh. Aug 12 16:27:12 muh. Aug 12 16:28:40 whee. Aug 12 16:29:05 anyway, there's a cramfs of the roku box rootfs you can download and poke at. Although to date, no one's figured out how to get into the box in any useful way Aug 12 16:29:10 SpeedEvil: fudge'em Aug 12 16:30:07 speedevil some battery questions for u (i know u luv em)... how intensive do u think bluetooth scanning for devices is compared to say wifi scanning..any idea? Aug 12 16:30:26 very little Aug 12 16:30:35 wifi is hideously expensive. Aug 12 16:30:43 bluetooth is designed to be low power. Aug 12 16:30:56 I don't have hard figures to hand - I'd expect 10% Aug 12 16:31:04 if FR can play 640x480 WMV "reasonably", then the rest is haxxing the DRM silliness Aug 12 16:31:04 speedevil right....so leaving a bluetooth scanner on not gonna hurt so much compared to wifi scanner Aug 12 16:31:15 where I find FS0 M2 gta02-rootfs? Aug 12 16:31:44 downloads.openmoko.org/releases Aug 12 16:32:03 zogs: http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ Aug 12 16:32:24 Anyone know how i can find out why my phone doesnt register to the network? Aug 12 16:32:37 KenSentMe: which stack? Aug 12 16:32:39 I can see gta02-rootfs.summary Aug 12 16:32:46 Tig|, 2008.8 Aug 12 16:32:52 KenSentMe: run libgsmd-tool shell, see what it complains about Aug 12 16:32:55 or look at a GSM log Aug 12 16:33:01 huh on FR is a different problem. That's really intensive on a PC due to the high res and flash requirements. But it's really just FLV. If the stream can be grabbed (might be hard), then you might be able to FR those. Aug 12 16:33:07 s/huh/hulu.com/ Aug 12 16:33:08 Chox meant: hulu.com on FR is a different problem. That's really intensive on a PC due to the high res and flash requirements. But it's really just FLV. If the stream can be grabbed (might be hard), then you might be able to FR those. Aug 12 16:33:20 zogs: the jff.summary is the one you want Aug 12 16:33:48 cjb, where can i find the logs, /var/log/ doesnt show a gsm log Aug 12 16:34:15 * Chox has a knack of setting hard problems for himself :o Aug 12 16:34:47 Tig|: thanks Aug 12 16:34:54 speedevil u got any idea to power consumption difference of say leaving bluetooth on and having it actually scan for devices Aug 12 16:35:20 Nope. Aug 12 16:36:19 cjb, should gsmd be installed? It isnt at the moment Aug 12 16:36:37 gsmd. hah. Aug 12 16:36:39 speedevil ok np Aug 12 16:37:06 I may measure it tomorrow if I remember. Aug 12 16:37:09 poke me. Aug 12 16:37:31 * Chox enpoken Aug 12 16:37:49 speedevil ok great thanks....i would like to be able to leave a scanner on all the time if it doesnt have to much impact compared to just leaving BT on Aug 12 16:41:19 Signature check failed in opkg.. What should i do? Aug 12 16:41:24 ignore it. Aug 12 16:42:03 i could ignore it, but i can't opkg update Aug 12 16:43:22 ops Aug 12 16:43:35 bad address of repo Aug 12 16:43:49 where are the repos for neo1973 Aug 12 16:43:51 ? Aug 12 16:46:18 Which distro can I use best? If I want to call people. Aug 12 16:48:08 call people? u want the moon on a stick ;) Aug 12 16:48:42 next you'll want to be able to set a ring tone Aug 12 16:48:50 or use wifi :D Aug 12 16:49:21 Yeah I know I'm asking to much. I have to be asking for a working OS :P Aug 12 16:50:02 Yay, so close to ASU image: NOTE: Running task 4203 of 4652 (ID: 1555, /home/openmoko/funspace/asu/openembedded/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb, do_fetch) Aug 12 16:54:38 Dave: dammit, you promised harrassment Aug 12 16:55:17 * Chox goes away again Aug 12 17:03:54 zedstar, how about moon on an openmoko? https://projects.openmoko.org/projects/orrery/ :-D Aug 12 17:04:28 * zedstar moons Infoport Aug 12 17:04:33 yeh looks good that! Aug 12 17:04:53 wtf Aug 12 17:05:12 zedstar, if you have the same "computer tan" as me, that's probably blinding :-D Aug 12 17:05:34 b_lindi_ng indeed :P Aug 12 17:05:39 Infoport lol eclipsing the sun Aug 12 17:08:31 haha Aug 12 17:08:53 * DaveLab leaves a cold six-pack waiting for xora Aug 12 17:11:45 ok, off to rest and refuel! (refresh, reboot, renew) Aug 12 17:12:24 reflash? :P Aug 12 17:17:06 hi Aug 12 17:17:25 does anyone know how i casn tell the mokomakefile to refetch the sources ? Aug 12 17:17:40 delete it from the sources dir Aug 12 17:18:10 peterb, make update ? Aug 12 17:18:41 3 - To update the Openmoko repository checkout and the MokoMakefile patches to the latest version: Aug 12 17:18:44 make update Aug 12 17:18:58 or to rebuild a new image with the latest updates: make update-makefile && make setup update openmoko-devel-image Aug 12 17:19:10 thats not the same as fetching the tarball Aug 12 17:19:18 FAIL Aug 12 17:19:21 \o/ Aug 12 17:19:25 * DaveLab boards Aug 12 17:19:36 i ran into this python log error Aug 12 17:20:37 /o\ Aug 12 17:21:06 ////o\\\\ <- spider Aug 12 17:22:29 * kd8ikt hopes if you are pasting you do it in the right place (namely a pastebin server) unless you can summarize it in one line Aug 12 17:23:21 openembedded/source/ Aug 12 17:23:25 Arachnichox Aug 12 17:23:27 I still cant make a phonecall because my phone cant get registered. cjb told me to try libgsmd-tool or see the logs, libgsmd-tool cant be found/installed and where should the log be? Aug 12 17:23:45 what build are you using? Aug 12 17:23:59 kd8ikt, sorry, 2008.8 Aug 12 17:27:16 damn Aug 12 17:27:24 woot, I'm 1/100th of the way there! Aug 12 17:27:26 subversion from svn wont compilt Aug 12 17:27:53 oh, for a moment there I thought that statement was hilarious Aug 12 17:28:11 I installed the libgsmd-tools package now, and run libgsmd-tool, nothing happens Aug 12 17:30:21 which svn version are you guys using for the mokomakefile ? Aug 12 17:32:54 Isnt there some syslog in the 2008.8 build? Aug 12 17:37:14 i have two diff mokomakefile dir, one for OM2007 one for FSO Aug 12 17:37:36 though i'm starting to believe only one is needed Aug 12 17:37:53 and i'm wasteing space Aug 12 17:41:39 anyone toy with bzflag yet? Aug 12 17:41:42 Can pure Qtopia do suspend/resume reliably ? Aug 12 17:42:28 * kd8ikt compiled the pkgz last night so i guess i'll install it and find out here in a sec Aug 12 17:59:23 /part Aug 12 18:31:18 /smack Aug 12 18:34:18 has anyone got a vnc server running on their phone? Aug 12 18:34:44 I used x11vnc once upon a time to demo stuff in presentations Aug 12 18:34:52 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r1aca092e0083 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): odevapi: document first version of org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio Aug 12 18:34:53 man it makes me happy that I have a phone where someone could ask me that question. Aug 12 18:35:10 haha Aug 12 18:35:14 ace--: why do you ask? Aug 12 18:35:16 hehe pyr :) Aug 12 18:35:24 for a presentation :) Aug 12 18:35:36 if someone has a binary no need for me to get it to cross compile Aug 12 18:35:41 mjr you still have it ? Aug 12 18:36:02 ace--, I used an x11vnc from the repos, they had it then, not sure about what's the current situation Aug 12 18:36:55 (don't have it anymore) Aug 12 18:36:55 ah can't seem to find it in the repository Aug 12 18:37:17 check the angstrom repo maybe? Aug 12 18:37:19 this was last year, might've dropped :/ Aug 12 18:37:26 maybe Aug 12 18:37:29 or scardeycat i guess Aug 12 18:40:09 ace--: apt-get install x11vnc Aug 12 18:40:12 * lindi- hides Aug 12 18:40:55 what is the vnc server for the phone called? Aug 12 18:41:13 *package name Aug 12 18:41:14 real men use X11 Aug 12 18:41:32 cause it can do that same thing vnc does Aug 12 18:41:48 :P oh god noes but you have to read man pages Aug 12 18:42:06 it doesn't handle tcp connections that break :) Aug 12 18:42:19 my connections never break Aug 12 18:42:32 X11 won't give you a mirror of the phone UI on the laptop where you're doing the presentation Aug 12 18:43:30 exactly, i've been using export display, but for the presentation i was asked to show the entire phone ui Aug 12 18:43:52 kd8ikt: my gprs connection breaks often :) Aug 12 18:44:01 When will the phone charge in suspend! Aug 12 18:44:05 your service provider sux Aug 12 18:44:10 can't seem to find it in angstrom or scardeycat Aug 12 18:44:14 'course, you _can_ run the whole phone ui remotely with X11. If you forego that it's actually on the phone as well. And tune stuff. Aug 12 18:44:54 i'm probably biased since i do everything under vnc Aug 12 18:45:02 (both at work and home) Aug 12 18:45:07 I do everything with RDP Aug 12 18:45:32 j/k Aug 12 18:45:47 i haven't found any free rdp server that'd be in debian yet Aug 12 18:46:06 Any idea how to fix: (opkg update): * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.sig, error 404 Aug 12 18:46:18 Sargun ignore sigs for now the devs said Aug 12 18:46:19 hm default openmoko image vs 2008.08 which would win? Aug 12 18:46:31 Pjj: the 20080811 is the best Aug 12 18:46:37 Torikun, how do I make opkg ignore them? Aug 12 18:46:42 You can not Aug 12 18:46:50 Just ignore the error Aug 12 18:46:53 they will fix later Aug 12 18:47:02 hah Aug 12 18:47:03 gah Aug 12 18:47:14 ok Torikun :) Aug 12 18:47:19 lol Aug 12 18:47:28 dam what is the vnc server package named Aug 12 18:47:38 Sargun: make your brain ignore them ;) Aug 12 18:48:13 Torikun: 20080811 looks like 2008.8 or like updated 2007? Aug 12 18:48:27 updated 2008.8 Aug 12 18:48:38 Torikun: teakettle i believe Aug 12 18:48:43 wow Aug 12 18:48:46 I have my phone over vnc Aug 12 18:48:46 keypebble Aug 12 18:49:15 looks good? Aug 12 18:49:18 yup Aug 12 18:49:38 easier to use he he Aug 12 18:49:47 20080811 is better then original FSO? Aug 12 18:49:51 Yes Aug 12 18:49:57 Torikun: are you getting a correct battery level now? or still lightning bolt? Aug 12 18:50:05 cool. should flash then Aug 12 18:50:21 I get the bolt undrwater when I have it plugged in Aug 12 18:50:29 in suspend mode, no charge Aug 12 18:50:34 Torikun: and when it's unplugged? Aug 12 18:50:45 black screen when inplugged Aug 12 18:50:51 :O Aug 12 18:51:04 it needs to chage in standby! Aug 12 18:51:09 that's not better! Aug 12 18:51:22 why is 20080811 better than original FSO? Aug 12 18:51:26 so it doesn't show battery level? Aug 12 18:51:28 more stable and useable Aug 12 18:51:31 it shows the battery level Aug 12 18:51:36 when the charge is not plugged in Aug 12 18:51:59 ok...that's what i was asking...how about wifi gui? still show 'unknown'? Aug 12 18:52:21 but 20080811 has a lot of features missing that 2008.8 have Aug 12 18:52:38 wifi gui is ok, but that's the only thing... Aug 12 18:53:48 no lock when pressing AUX, no suspend when pressing PowerButton, no gui installer, no locations (have another name)... Aug 12 18:54:03 diversity-nav Aug 12 18:54:13 yes Aug 12 18:54:36 Torikun: have you tested suspend? Aug 12 18:55:14 automatic suspend works, but no "now go in suspend button" Aug 12 18:55:39 ahh...i like the button Aug 12 18:55:48 instead of 20080811 you can also use 20080812, it's nearly the same with some fixes Aug 12 18:55:52 yes, me too Aug 12 18:55:56 software button would be fine too Aug 12 18:56:39 what does 20080811 or 20080812 look like? screenshot or something Aug 12 18:56:51 like 2008.8... Aug 12 18:57:09 but less installed and the installer at the buttom is missing Aug 12 18:57:27 but there is a background image.. Aug 12 18:57:48 ah.. and don't use the newest kernel, usb networking isn't working with it Aug 12 18:58:09 äh.. witch background image, I mean a picture :) Aug 12 18:58:14 witch=with Aug 12 18:59:10 underwater: the wifi tab on 20080811 allows you to turn wifi on off and shows APs Aug 12 18:59:17 got it :) Aug 12 18:59:31 also suspend works fine Aug 12 18:59:34 it was in some repository somewhere Aug 12 18:59:47 added a bunch and finally one had it :) Aug 12 18:59:56 and the gui installer is on the phone...you just have to change the .desktop file Aug 12 19:00:03 2 more things are different, in 200808XX, you have to manual install glamo for accelerated 2D graphic but you have out of the box a better keyboard :) Aug 12 19:00:24 Kev, how do you manual install the xglamo lib? Aug 12 19:00:33 if i opkg install xglamo will it work? Aug 12 19:00:45 it's a package but the name is a little bit different Aug 12 19:00:54 cool Aug 12 19:01:09 I just tried the newest kernel in the hope that usb networking works, but doesn't so I can't search at the moment Aug 12 19:01:21 Kev, restart your phone Aug 12 19:01:25 neo1973 gsm version froze uboot really hard Aug 12 19:01:34 usb networking worked for me with the latest kernel after a reboot Aug 12 19:01:42 you find it with "opkg list|grep glamo", its the one without doc and dev and dbg and so one, something like glamo-kdrive or so.. Aug 12 19:01:55 cool Aug 12 19:01:57 So, what's the latest? Aug 12 19:02:14 latest? Aug 12 19:02:18 that was about the only complaint i had with it....other than i couldnt get the wrench at the top for the options to appear Aug 12 19:02:25 ah I will try, moment Aug 12 19:02:53 with reboot, you mean hard power off and power on? there seem no way to shut it down? Aug 12 19:04:04 yea...hard power and power on Aug 12 19:04:14 i guess you could goto terminal and reboot that way Aug 12 19:04:29 undrwater: I suspend every 10 seconds Aug 12 19:04:30 works Aug 12 19:04:32 there isn't a terminal... Aug 12 19:04:39 Oh...i had installed one Aug 12 19:05:05 Openmoko-terminal2 works good.....vte does as well if you want an alternative Aug 12 19:05:07 yes, I have here a new image... without usb networking no terminal, without terminal no reboot :) Aug 12 19:05:16 gotcha ;) Aug 12 19:05:40 Joerg :( Aug 12 19:05:57 Kev, have you noticed that the ASU keyboard comes back sporadically instead of the illume? Aug 12 19:06:12 My batteries are wearing pretty badly. Aug 12 19:06:30 ah, you are right, after an reboot, usb-networking does the job :) Aug 12 19:06:35 * DaveLab throws exploding battiers at ieatlint Aug 12 19:06:50 i cant seem to figure out what is causing it....but every now and then i get the ASU keyboard all of a sudden instead of the nice illume one Aug 12 19:07:03 english please dave Aug 12 19:07:21 Pyrasi, did you noticed the qwerty text-button on the top? Aug 12 19:07:32 doesn't that bring the illume keyboard back? Aug 12 19:07:43 did yours have it on there by default? Aug 12 19:07:52 i had to get it by changing the edje file out Aug 12 19:08:02 or C if you can handle that printf("english please") Aug 12 19:08:21 (the qwerty button i mean) Aug 12 19:08:41 printf("or is it more like this?\n") Aug 12 19:09:36 I don't know what you mean exactly, but the qwerty text is on mine by default Aug 12 19:09:45 * DaveLab slaps ieatlint around a bit with a large kd8ikt Aug 12 19:09:46 hmmm Aug 12 19:10:01 are you using 20080811 or 20080812? Aug 12 19:10:12 awe dude i just had a great idea for a irc plugin, randomly send your responses as "print/echo" commands/syntax of different languages Aug 12 19:10:19 sometimes I have to "click" there to get a keyboard because it's not always shown automatically, just flashed 20080812 Aug 12 19:10:28 kd8ikt: uggh Aug 12 19:10:42 nerd. Aug 12 19:10:42 kd8ikt: but I hope it won't use brainfuck... Aug 12 19:10:46 ohhh....hmm...musta been added recently...mine is 11 Aug 12 19:10:47 BF BF :D Aug 12 19:11:27 ----====++++ echo brainfuck sucks or however that crazy ass lang is (but yes if i made the script that would also be included) Aug 12 19:11:36 Pyrasi: opkg install illume-config Aug 12 19:12:03 just because i'm not a bigot... i hate everything equally Aug 12 19:12:13 :) Aug 12 19:12:26 share the hate? Aug 12 19:12:31 i prefer something more readable :) Aug 12 19:12:36 * kd8ikt <<--- teh termihater Aug 12 19:12:49 group slug? Aug 12 19:12:52 +-=++=0--++-+ Aug 12 19:12:56 XD Aug 12 19:13:18 woot Aug 12 19:13:21 except for mwester and alphaone and Ainulindale , i love them in an extra special gay way Aug 12 19:13:29 haha Aug 12 19:13:31 cant forget andy Aug 12 19:13:36 oh man Aug 12 19:13:45 do you need help? Aug 12 19:13:49 ;) Aug 12 19:13:56 You offering, Kev? :P Aug 12 19:14:09 reach-around? Aug 12 19:14:12 no, but I would call someone... Aug 12 19:14:13 :) Aug 12 19:14:24 Who you gonna call? Aug 12 19:14:45 GOASTBUSTERS Aug 12 19:14:49 GHOST* Aug 12 19:14:51 it must be a SOS number because my neo doesn't work with my simcard :p Aug 12 19:15:26 :D Aug 12 19:15:33 * DaveLab high-fives kd8ikt Aug 12 19:15:46 oh wait, maybe not... not knowing where that hand's been... :x Aug 12 19:15:54 :D Aug 12 19:16:01 Kev :P Aug 12 19:16:05 yes, i think it's better that way... Aug 12 19:17:22 i found some vodka with a blue flag + yellow cross and have been having a great day Aug 12 19:17:36 whats that a swedish flag? Aug 12 19:17:54 could :) Aug 12 19:18:06 is the cross like + or like X? Aug 12 19:18:14 + Aug 12 19:18:32 looks like swedish Aug 12 19:18:48 one side is longer than the other one Aug 12 19:19:01 noooooooooooooooorge Aug 12 19:19:07 \o/ Aug 12 19:19:09 never pegged sweedz for making good vodka but with alchol how could one go wrong? Aug 12 19:19:18 hah Aug 12 19:19:24 you sound american :P Aug 12 19:19:24 one couldn't Aug 12 19:19:31 needs more alcohol Aug 12 19:19:40 100% isn't absolut enough! ;p Aug 12 19:19:57 i'm allowed to screw off cause i'm compiling Aug 12 19:20:09 me too! Aug 12 19:20:11 like wow! Aug 12 19:20:19 kd8ikt: "how could one go wrong" - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1043760/Hospitals-alert-drinkers-steal-high-alcohol-hand-gels-used-battle-superbugs.html Aug 12 19:20:34 o_O Aug 12 19:20:41 lollerseo Aug 12 19:21:11 they drank the handwash? Aug 12 19:21:28 thats not the "get drunk " type of alcohol last i checked Aug 12 19:21:49 isopropyl Aug 12 19:22:03 some of the brands are ethanol (+ who knows what else) Aug 12 19:22:28 noshit? Aug 12 19:22:34 heh thats awesome Aug 12 19:22:50 around here all i've ever seen is isoprpyl Aug 12 19:23:26 hm Aug 12 19:24:01 uhh Aug 12 19:24:11 and i dont think you can get "drunk" off of isopropyl Aug 12 19:24:16 So here I am transferring massive amounts of data over to the freerunner, and it halts Aug 12 19:24:19 wtf :D Aug 12 19:24:34 suprisingly #openembedded is practicly empty Aug 12 19:24:44 :) Aug 12 19:24:57 fuckign thing phr0ze Aug 12 19:25:11 dmesg show any IO errors? Aug 12 19:25:14 one question to the assassin thing... isn't it the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications? Aug 12 19:25:24 omg hard reset :o Aug 12 19:25:49 oh ... i dont think logread/dmesg survives a reboot Aug 12 19:25:50 Question #2, why is the battery on fire? Aug 12 19:26:11 McKael: "neo1973 gsm version" problem = http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/812 Aug 12 19:26:34 Montour where's the ticket for Help! My freerunner's on fire! Aug 12 19:26:35 :P Aug 12 19:26:42 searching... Aug 12 19:26:44 or, Why is my pocket burning Aug 12 19:26:47 :) Aug 12 19:26:53 That's happened to me a couple times. Aug 12 19:27:00 Also something rather strange happened today. Aug 12 19:27:55 I try to get a sim-card working on FSO MS2, but when I write the pin-code it says "SOS only". Does this mean my sim-card is not supported? Would it help me to run another image? Aug 12 19:28:06 I had it suspend, and in my pocket, and after suspending for a while, I noticed it was still quite hot. More importantly, after a couple hours of being in suspense it was STILL hot. I was thereafter unable to resume it, or even power it on, YET it was still emitting lots of heat! Aug 12 19:28:12 btw. it's the "xserver-kdrive-glamo" package for accelerated 2D x-server, wo want's to know that? Aug 12 19:28:31 DaveLab, are you still up for that code ? or at least available for coitus? XD Aug 12 19:28:36 The screen goes blank, while it is still writing "sending" Aug 12 19:28:37 Eventually I had to remove the battery and connect it to a power source to get it to turn on again. Aug 12 19:28:53 cga, wait, I'm wilding the locals with my power failures/woes. Aug 12 19:29:04 This should be nothing new for mmontour, unfortunately :( Aug 12 19:29:18 DaveLab, same thing happened to me (apart from the heat) Aug 12 19:29:27 i mean Aug 12 19:29:53 Shit Aug 12 19:29:55 once in suspend it wont "power back" Aug 12 19:30:00 yeah but that makes the entire story Aug 12 19:30:09 until i connect the usb Aug 12 19:30:11 it's like fucking chernobyl, waiting to happen... Aug 12 19:30:17 lol.. Aug 12 19:30:18 IN MY POCKET! Aug 12 19:30:22 heavy Aug 12 19:30:30 correction, superheavy! Aug 12 19:30:38 ;p Aug 12 19:31:09 no, superheavy would be an atomic power plant in your pocket... :) Aug 12 19:31:41 If the screen goes blank while it is sending my pin code, does this mean that it stops sending the pincode or is that only a screen saver? Aug 12 19:31:48 Kev, is that not what it is? Aug 12 19:31:57 HOLY PLUTONIUM POWERED PDAS BATMAN! Aug 12 19:32:17 btw... do you think you can exchange the neo battery with an atomic one for solving any power issue? ;) Aug 12 19:32:20 :D Aug 12 19:32:34 At least then the failures will be much more noticible... Aug 12 19:32:41 :D Aug 12 19:32:41 (probably even by you guys, a continent away) :p Aug 12 19:32:53 hrhr. Aug 12 19:32:57 DaveLab, nah.. i don't watch tv XD Aug 12 19:33:04 who said anything about tv? :DDD Aug 12 19:33:15 i won't hear then. i'm deaf Aug 12 19:33:17 you don't need to write it on the mailinglist then... Aug 12 19:33:25 -_- Aug 12 19:33:51 (i've never said that you may be able to do it..) Aug 12 19:33:54 Okay, well, let's try this again! Aug 12 19:34:08 i won't see it... i'm blind Aug 12 19:34:12 gh Aug 12 19:34:18 ;) Aug 12 19:34:55 back to topic Aug 12 19:35:18 asu blows Aug 12 19:35:22 discuss! Aug 12 19:35:22 oh i love topical island XD Aug 12 19:35:25 DaveLab: sorry, I can't find any Trac tickets about the burning sensation in your pants. Aug 12 19:35:27 who got assissin working? Aug 12 19:35:33 Mmontour :D Aug 12 19:35:40 Perhaps I should submit one? Aug 12 19:35:40 not me. i miss etk and one more lib Aug 12 19:35:42 But to who? Aug 12 19:36:57 ah, got assassin to works now in 20080812 :) Aug 12 19:37:10 yay? Aug 12 19:37:16 mmontour: thanks Aug 12 19:37:43 yes Aug 12 19:38:02 mmontour: btw it makes my PC kernel oops (2.6.26) when I unplug the USB while in uboot Aug 12 19:38:28 llo All Aug 12 19:38:31 what? o_O Aug 12 19:38:33 ZORKMAN! Aug 12 19:38:35 anything new under the moko Dave? Aug 12 19:38:39 Yes Aug 12 19:38:39 haven't seen that, but it sounds like a bug in the host kernel. Which distro? Aug 12 19:38:46 More broken things, and melting batteries. Aug 12 19:38:48 :[ Aug 12 19:38:50 anything new AND good? Aug 12 19:38:53 oh... Aug 12 19:38:54 uhh Aug 12 19:38:55 damn ,too late typing it :) Aug 12 19:39:00 :P Aug 12 19:39:03 melting batt's, that's new! Aug 12 19:39:05 dave: maybe neod or pulseaudio is the problem? here they show a constant usage of 13% and 7% respectively while logged in via ssh and not doing anything else on the phone Aug 12 19:39:06 mmontour: Debian Lenny, but home-built 2.6.26.2 kernel Aug 12 19:39:08 yay :( Aug 12 19:39:14 it's new, but not good :P Aug 12 19:39:26 hm what images do I need to pick when I want to flash my neo to 20080812 there's a directory with quite some files in there :> Aug 12 19:39:40 neo, melts in your mouth AND your hand :) Aug 12 19:39:45 Zorkman, I was transferring lots of data over usb to the sd card on the phone and it froze the phone hard. Aug 12 19:39:48 hahahaah Aug 12 19:39:51 and in your pants! Aug 12 19:39:53 :D Aug 12 19:39:55 Pjj: which interface do you like? Aug 12 19:40:14 DaveLab: you're not content when it melts, and now you're not even content when it freezes... Aug 12 19:40:15 hm the default one Aug 12 19:40:21 I've just tried running Qtopia from SD card but it's damn slow :\ Aug 12 19:40:30 haha, zorkman :P Aug 12 19:40:37 submit it to http://kerneloops.org/ (or even better, file a full bug report somewhere). Also make sure you're using the newest u-boot - for a couple of weeks there was a bug that caused it to spam the USB bus with garbage Aug 12 19:40:37 Pjj, old orange one with gtk only or new one with a lot of green? Aug 12 19:40:39 dwaaaaaaaze ;p Aug 12 19:40:46 McKael: when I run something from SD it is the same speed; haven't tried qtopia from SD though Aug 12 19:41:12 oh, is anyone aware of performance impedance with 8GB SDHC U ? Aug 12 19:41:19 the old orange one Kev_ but I'm mostly after the one that is most usable and stable :) Aug 12 19:41:31 DaveLab: U? Aug 12 19:41:35 afk for a while Aug 12 19:41:38 ULTRA Aug 12 19:41:50 mckael: what about the 2.6.26 kernel? do you build one for the neo? Aug 12 19:41:53 orange one is "openmoko-devel" in the name Aug 12 19:41:54 It's supposed to be faster? Aug 12 19:42:07 malik1972: no, the host Aug 12 19:42:08 I seriously hope we don't start color-coding the different distros Aug 12 19:42:13 :D Aug 12 19:42:20 mckael: okay:-) Aug 12 19:42:20 like omg orange is so kewl Aug 12 19:42:23 I want blue!!111 Aug 12 19:42:30 mmontour: aha, could that old uboot be the reason i was gettng crashes of the host when running the qemu version of openmoko (it only crashed if i set up usb networking) and only after a while, but it was a complete freeze Aug 12 19:42:35 girly girls Aug 12 19:42:44 ace, sounds scary. Aug 12 19:42:57 SD io are really much slower when GPS is on Aug 12 19:43:05 uhh okay Aug 12 19:43:05 someone wrote that the loosing partition table bug is patched in 2.6.26 or in 2.4.24?! Aug 12 19:43:06 was kind of annoying, i was at home and had to drive to work to reboot the machine Aug 12 19:43:11 I've got a better idea... fruits... something like oranges and green apples? Aug 12 19:43:26 mckael, but there was no noticible performance increase. Aug 12 19:43:36 kev, trolltech will likely sue Aug 12 19:43:56 :) Aug 12 19:44:10 WTF!!!!???? there is an loosing partition table bug????????????????? Aug 12 19:44:19 \o/ Aug 12 19:44:28 yes, resume sometimes wipes the mbr of the sd Aug 12 19:44:33 I hope the partition table problem will be solved soon, my "phone" :) is unusable currently Aug 12 19:44:38 that would explain why my sd card is empty..... SHIT Aug 12 19:45:00 ecraven :O Aug 12 19:45:20 ecraven, did you know openssh doesn't work yet? (Data corruption issues) Aug 12 19:45:24 Kev_ look at /media/mmcblk0p1 instad of /media/card Aug 12 19:45:27 Sometimes = at least every 2 resumes Aug 12 19:45:34 DaveLab: huh? Aug 12 19:45:34 I guess they'll have to test more extensively before they replace dropbear. Aug 12 19:45:44 after suspend my sd card gets mounted to a new location Aug 12 19:45:53 pyrasi, hot. Aug 12 19:46:02 maybe it's playing hide & go seek :p Aug 12 19:46:02 and it LOOKS like my card was corrupted if you look at /media/card Aug 12 19:46:09 pyrasi sounds about right Aug 12 19:46:46 ecraven: its annoying it happened 3 times within several hours Aug 12 19:46:52 Pyrasi: well it's mounted to another location because the device changes to mmcblk1 Aug 12 19:46:54 no, my table was away... no entry with fdisk print... Aug 12 19:47:13 oh...well thats alittle worse =/ Aug 12 19:47:17 and on next resume it'll be back to mmcblk0 -- but in bas state :) Aug 12 19:47:17 yes Aug 12 19:47:18 malik1972, stop putting magnets on your freerunner! Aug 12 19:47:20 ecraven: the problem is that i loose my data from the first fat partition Aug 12 19:47:26 bad* Aug 12 19:47:40 davelab: hehe:) Aug 12 19:47:45 :D Aug 12 19:48:07 uggh, copying data over moko usb is painful Aug 12 19:48:24 almost as painful as building mokomakefile Aug 12 19:51:53 Okay, here's a problem. Aug 12 19:52:17 How does 304M on PC turn into >483M on the phone!? Aug 12 19:53:07 DaveLab: what kind of data? Aug 12 19:53:19 source files Aug 12 19:53:22 jffs2 is usually zlib-compressed, so I'd expect the reverse Aug 12 19:53:27 maybe it's because of the allocation sizes? Aug 12 19:53:40 u mean from hd to flash? Aug 12 19:53:46 right Aug 12 19:54:01 and apparently 300M can't fit on 500M flash!? Aug 12 19:54:04 wtf. Aug 12 19:54:07 no, flash doesn't have allocation block sizes Aug 12 19:54:11 jffs2 doesn't have blocks Aug 12 19:54:12 it's a log Aug 12 19:54:23 a toilet log, apparently :( Aug 12 19:54:57 cjb, any reasonable explanation, though? Aug 12 19:56:35 DaveLab: nope. Aug 12 19:56:44 OLPC's jffs2 images are smaller than its ext3 images Aug 12 19:56:49 by a lot Aug 12 19:56:58 Then wtf!? Aug 12 19:57:02 I guess maybe openmoko isn't using jffs2 compression? that still sounds odd though. Aug 12 19:57:05 copying it to the sd card though? Aug 12 19:57:09 This is my third time trying to transfer this crap. Aug 12 19:57:40 cjb: transfers takes forever! Aug 12 19:57:54 Well, yes, but that still doesn't explain this, Torikun :P Aug 12 19:57:59 mjr, yes, I am. Aug 12 19:58:06 so jffs2 doesn't enter into it Aug 12 19:58:12 lol Aug 12 19:58:14 I am scp'ing the directory via usb to the phone's sd card Aug 12 19:58:17 Let me speak! Aug 12 19:58:18 klol Aug 12 19:58:21 nononono Aug 12 19:58:46 Is it anyone more then me that simply doesn't like all the qtopia stuff that is in the 200808 image? :( Aug 12 19:59:07 spydon, I'm sure you're not alone on that. Aug 12 19:59:07 spydon: the gtk image looked a lot better Aug 12 19:59:14 Ecraven, there are more of you? :D Aug 12 19:59:23 Qtopia looks like a kindergarden finger painting with spilt milk Aug 12 19:59:25 Let's put them to work on a python mastery! Aug 12 19:59:36 Torikun, so it's messy, fun, and eventually smells! Aug 12 19:59:41 :D Aug 12 19:59:47 DaveLab: Qtopia! Aug 12 19:59:54 \o/ Aug 12 19:59:56 Torikun, hehe yeah Aug 12 20:00:24 The real qtopia is sexy Aug 12 20:00:30 cjb, I sense I'm missing something obvious, but what I'm doing seems far too straightforward. Aug 12 20:00:33 u can theme the asu stuff Aug 12 20:00:35 DaveLab: in the stuff that you're copying, are there any hardlinks, symlinks, or sparse files? Aug 12 20:00:41 Torikun, sexy, but useless. Aug 12 20:00:45 unless you want to make calls :P Aug 12 20:00:54 lol Aug 12 20:00:59 Montour, not that I'm aware of, no... Aug 12 20:00:59 take a look -> http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner/ Aug 12 20:01:31 * lpotter doesn't like all the gtk/efl stuff in the 200808 image Aug 12 20:01:44 hah lpotter Aug 12 20:02:03 :) Aug 12 20:02:06 lpotter: has a great point! Mixing the 2 looks ugly but is useful Aug 12 20:02:22 Orange to black orange to black Aug 12 20:02:31 a pure efl might be good Aug 12 20:02:33 so, are you saying, ugly + ugly == nice !? Aug 12 20:02:46 I'm pretty sure that DOES NOT COMPUTE Aug 12 20:02:53 does not davepute Aug 12 20:02:53 --=+ Aug 12 20:02:54 DaveLab: anything +anything >asu.current Aug 12 20:03:00 yes, because in math there is no == Aug 12 20:03:02 haha Aug 12 20:03:10 lpotter shush yo mouf :p Aug 12 20:03:15 lol Aug 12 20:03:25 torikun, so a pen + paper > asu ? :D Aug 12 20:03:26 In soviet russia, ASU images you! Aug 12 20:03:29 D: Aug 12 20:03:33 Yes DaveLab Aug 12 20:03:37 DANGER: RADIATION Aug 12 20:03:46 nice, I should put a sticker like that on my freerunner Aug 12 20:03:49 all your ASU are belong to me Aug 12 20:03:53 good Aug 12 20:03:54 I think openMOKOtook a hit when they jumped ship on GTK and went to ASU Aug 12 20:03:56 we don't want it :P Aug 12 20:04:02 yeah Aug 12 20:04:09 You can not change your shit in the middle of shitting Aug 12 20:04:14 it just comes out! Aug 12 20:04:18 do not cut it off Aug 12 20:04:21 Torikun: naa. its just they are not telling people it is still alpha software Aug 12 20:04:25 Torikun, I think so too Aug 12 20:04:32 lol Aug 12 20:04:45 Perhaps they put the free runner on the market too early Aug 12 20:05:04 hah, I always liked this graphic: http://xrl.us/onfe9 Aug 12 20:05:04 i feel sorry for anyone that bought it thinking they were getting a phone they could actually use Aug 12 20:05:06 :P Aug 12 20:05:06 :-p Aug 12 20:05:12 It should have shipped with Qtopia, it is the most stable and useable Aug 12 20:05:12 russell, yeah :p Aug 12 20:05:20 the hardware is fine Aug 12 20:05:30 Imissed so many phone calls on that dam phone Aug 12 20:05:30 the software is ... Aug 12 20:05:30 lol Aug 12 20:05:31 but the software team just doesnt get its act together Aug 12 20:05:31 In lint-wifi, how do you actually connect to an AP? I can scan and see them...but it never seems to actually connect Aug 12 20:05:32 hardware is buggy Aug 12 20:05:40 whichis half theproblem Aug 12 20:05:40 Torikun, you GOT calls? Aug 12 20:05:41 is there some button im completely missing? Aug 12 20:05:44 lol Aug 12 20:05:46 lpotter: its buggy? Aug 12 20:05:50 GPS anyone? Aug 12 20:05:52 I make some and lose many Aug 12 20:05:53 lol Aug 12 20:05:53 lpotter: tell me more Aug 12 20:05:54 cjb, save me captain! Aug 12 20:06:17 Torikun, hah, I thought that said money, not many. Aug 12 20:06:18 Any ideas: http://pastebin.ca/1168554 Aug 12 20:06:20 Made more sense :P Aug 12 20:06:21 * lindi- feels the worst problem is that so few people can compile the images. not much development can happen if people can't make changes here and there and send bugfix suggestions Aug 12 20:06:23 Torikun, most people didn't buy it for the hardware they bought it for the software and I think they wanted an openmoko project on it and not something that someone else has developed Aug 12 20:06:48 spydon: Imagine buying something that does not work......FAIL! Aug 12 20:06:55 same could b said for da iphone Aug 12 20:07:00 hmm, i think openmoko is pretty much going to fail these days Aug 12 20:07:01 lindi, admittedly, it's not easy setting up a development environment for it, let alone setting up a debugging framework that works for all the different portions of it! Aug 12 20:07:04 :[ Aug 12 20:07:05 The iphone kicks ass compared to this Aug 12 20:07:06 lol Aug 12 20:07:11 iSuck Aug 12 20:07:16 DaveLab: indeed Aug 12 20:07:33 I collect all the Linux devices and needed a new cell phone so I got the FreeRunner Aug 12 20:07:36 Torikun, not at all, I knew what I was going to get Aug 12 20:07:36 DaveLab: i still haven't managed to build org.openmoko.asu.dev Aug 12 20:07:44 DaveLab: well, the iphone just works, the moko just fails Aug 12 20:07:45 Lindi, that's depressing :( Aug 12 20:07:51 ronny :D Aug 12 20:07:51 DaveLab: but now i escaped to debian world :) Aug 12 20:07:52 lol ronny you hit it! Aug 12 20:07:53 haha not entirely Aug 12 20:07:53 lol Aug 12 20:07:57 The iphone smushes! Aug 12 20:08:05 the openmoko seems impurvious to damage Aug 12 20:08:11 yet you wouldn't mind it breaking... Aug 12 20:08:12 The Iphone has 3d Effects and graphics! Aug 12 20:08:15 hmm Aug 12 20:08:16 with all the internal buggery :p Aug 12 20:08:21 Torikun, and you will learn a lot more with this phone and it has alot more possiblities Aug 12 20:08:24 we have... uhh... glamo? :p Aug 12 20:08:25 haha Aug 12 20:08:30 hardly a great thing to flaunt Aug 12 20:08:38 I am glad I got the FreeRunner, it is just nice to vent Aug 12 20:08:39 lol Aug 12 20:08:48 Now anyway, would someone care to explain to me how 300M can't fit on a 500M SD card!? Aug 12 20:09:00 DaveLab: how can i reproduce that? Aug 12 20:09:00 haha Aug 12 20:09:06 * DaveLab desperately looks around for assistance. Aug 12 20:09:15 lindi, reproduce what? Aug 12 20:09:26 Dave...do you have a card reader? just try to transfer it not over the moko? Aug 12 20:09:30 DaveLab: the issue you have Aug 12 20:09:36 Pyrasi, true, but it's not as fun that way! Aug 12 20:09:43 lol Aug 12 20:09:49 my basic expectation was basic phoning works, backup contacts works, the rest is in shift, what i got was even the core software stac kis totally in shift Aug 12 20:09:59 plus honestly, this is like the equivalent of if() {} else {} and having your program execute BOTH paths Aug 12 20:10:00 When I connect to wifi on 200808, Internet only works in the terminal. Web browser and pidgin do not work. Aug 12 20:10:06 DaveLab: 200mb of bad blocks? Aug 12 20:10:09 It's umpossible! Aug 12 20:10:13 lpotter, possibly! :D Aug 12 20:10:27 Should I run fsck or something on it? Aug 12 20:10:33 Torikun....they all worked for me last night when i was on a WEP ap.... Aug 12 20:10:39 hmmm Aug 12 20:10:42 weird Aug 12 20:10:51 Lindi, I'm just transferring source to the sd card via usb (freerunner) Aug 12 20:10:58 instead of using a card reader externally Aug 12 20:11:55 openmoko != cardreader aparently Aug 12 20:12:09 :( Aug 12 20:12:11 lol Aug 12 20:12:17 I am deeply saddened by this revelation. Aug 12 20:12:27 lpotter, seriously though, it doesn't make much sense otherwise, right? Aug 12 20:12:34 mount Aug 12 20:13:11 oh great Aug 12 20:13:33 cjb, it's fat though, not jffs2... Aug 12 20:13:39 though still, that wouldn't explain it Aug 12 20:14:22 DaveLab: what does 'df -h' tell you? Aug 12 20:15:21 check "df -i" while you're at it - make sure you didn't run out of inodes with lots of tiny files Aug 12 20:15:34 ecraven, about... ? Aug 12 20:15:46 mmontour: that sounds much more likely :) Aug 12 20:16:38 mmontour, I'd like to, but the phone version of df doesn't take -i Aug 12 20:16:54 what are the things in qtopia that make it non-free? Aug 12 20:16:57 montour and there's a ridiculous number of small files... just wish I could check Aug 12 20:17:10 linuxxr: that is propietary information that they can not share! Aug 12 20:17:15 j/k Aug 12 20:17:17 ~lart busybox Aug 12 20:17:17 * apt whacks busybox upside the head Aug 12 20:17:25 yeah, pretty much Aug 12 20:17:35 lpotter should tell us Aug 12 20:17:50 He's keeping it secret for himself! Aug 12 20:17:53 That's why :P Aug 12 20:17:54 tell us your secrets lpotter Aug 12 20:17:55 lol Aug 12 20:18:04 We have ways ... of making you talk >:) Aug 12 20:18:17 mmontour, any further suggestions? Aug 12 20:18:20 in the motherland Aug 12 20:18:25 Torikun: 20080811 don't boot Aug 12 20:18:35 Sorry, that's all I can think of. Aug 12 20:18:38 :( Aug 12 20:18:39 zogs: reinstall kernel and it will work Aug 12 20:18:46 shit, I'm really up the creek on this one... Aug 12 20:18:48 zogs: install the kernel in 20080811 Aug 12 20:18:51 which kernel? Aug 12 20:18:56 well, except for installing real versions of the broken busybox tools Aug 12 20:18:56 let me find it for you Aug 12 20:19:36 Torikun: which kernel version? Aug 12 20:19:43 what ever is in 20080811 Aug 12 20:20:55 Torikun: I don't find uImage*.bin on 20080811 dir Aug 12 20:21:24 I used 2008.0 uImage Aug 12 20:21:49 Try http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080810/u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr58+650149a53dbdd48bf6dfef90930c8ab182adb512-r0.bin Aug 12 20:22:06 so 0810 Aug 12 20:22:09 I try it Aug 12 20:22:09 Yes Aug 12 20:22:14 let me know Aug 12 20:23:26 mmontour, yeah :( Aug 12 20:23:31 Torikun: this is a u-boot not kernel Aug 12 20:23:38 mmontour, I've already replaced a few of them! Aug 12 20:23:41 but alas... Aug 12 20:24:17 zogs, that is the jkernel Aug 12 20:24:43 it should work if you install that Aug 12 20:25:14 Torikun, help me you slacker! :p Aug 12 20:25:17 Torikun: but which kernel? 2008.8-uImage.bin? Aug 12 20:25:37 yes zogs Aug 12 20:28:29 man, this 200808 monkey business sounds like a barrel of laughs Aug 12 20:28:29 zogs: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080810/u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr58+650149a53dbdd48bf6dfef90930c8ab182adb512-r0.bin Aug 12 20:28:37 I should join in on the fun and take out another phone Aug 12 20:28:42 * Chox laffs Aug 12 20:28:51 * DaveLab choxes Aug 12 20:28:53 lol Aug 12 20:28:58 do not buy 2 free runners, Aug 12 20:28:58 lol Aug 12 20:29:00 * Chox DoxyDaves Aug 12 20:29:11 Torikun, I have a lot. Aug 12 20:29:19 the glamo documentation is *not* freely accessible, only with an NDA, right? Aug 12 20:29:19 you a dev? Aug 12 20:29:25 It's not a problem, the only problem is keeping track of which is which on my desk here. Aug 12 20:29:35 I have six currently open and connected. Aug 12 20:29:42 ETOOMANYFRS Aug 12 20:29:47 Sometimes I get confused which I'm connected to Aug 12 20:29:50 it's like typing on the wrong keyboard Aug 12 20:29:54 or classically, which PHYSICALLY is which :D Aug 12 20:29:59 hah Aug 12 20:30:00 * Chox laffs. Aug 12 20:30:01 pretty much Aug 12 20:30:07 sometimes I even type here! Aug 12 20:30:13 man! imagine that. Aug 12 20:30:20 rm -f chox Aug 12 20:30:24 "oops!" Aug 12 20:30:27 hahaha nah Aug 12 20:30:39 * Chox so not funny with sad unix joke. Aug 12 20:31:05 rm -rf ~/.pr0n Aug 12 20:31:07 >:) Aug 12 20:31:24 chown -R ./Chox us Aug 12 20:31:25 what's in your .pr0n preferences file that you needed to get rid of? Aug 12 20:31:31 cga, bah. Aug 12 20:31:34 :P Aug 12 20:31:36 Chox >:) Aug 12 20:31:42 i cna't even joke Aug 12 20:31:43 "granny stuff" Aug 12 20:31:49 yeah i know Aug 12 20:31:54 I can see it now, like a GTK Desktop application file Aug 12 20:32:11 Categories=Porn;Animal;Grannies;Anal;... Aug 12 20:32:35 oh and let's not forget Porn;Openmoko;ASU;... Aug 12 20:32:36 haha Aug 12 20:32:43 they're really dirty :P Aug 12 20:32:47 OPr0nMoko? Aug 12 20:33:04 Weren't you here when we were all talking about How Openmoko could be perceived as porn itself. Aug 12 20:33:09 It's pretty dirty when you think about it. Aug 12 20:33:21 open my moko? Aug 12 20:33:25 I wasn't, but I can easily imagine several outcomes. None of them good. Aug 12 20:33:26 Anyone play movies on their phone yet? How is it? Aug 12 20:33:27 or something along those lines. Aug 12 20:33:31 "geek porn", etc. Aug 12 20:33:39 Torikun, assy Aug 12 20:33:43 I wish it were good. Aug 12 20:33:46 I bet the battery sucks Aug 12 20:33:51 mplayer granny.wmv Aug 12 20:33:53 More importantly, I wish GUI players had BUTTONS! Aug 12 20:34:07 I hope you're not streaming that, chox :p Aug 12 20:34:16 NetFlix is too prudish for that. Aug 12 20:34:25 plenty of gay stuff though. Soft core, I presume. Aug 12 20:34:28 but surely not ChoxFlix :p Aug 12 20:34:31 Torikun: i've been fiddling with mplayer Aug 12 20:34:32 Japanese! Aug 12 20:34:41 Interesting. Aug 12 20:34:42 how is performance El_Senator Aug 12 20:34:50 Has anyone a solution for my inodes ordeal? Aug 12 20:34:59 oh noes inodes! Aug 12 20:35:02 what is your ordeal? Aug 12 20:35:03 DaveLab: you solution is in /dev/null Aug 12 20:35:04 Torikun: at the moment, it's lik reading a comic book :D Aug 12 20:35:11 lol Aug 12 20:35:11 -_- Aug 12 20:35:17 Torikun, I assume you are joking there. Aug 12 20:35:23 el_senator: mplayer with glamo support? Aug 12 20:35:27 Yes DaveLab Aug 12 20:35:30 Torikun: sound works well, but video is very slow Aug 12 20:35:40 El_Senator what was the encode? Aug 12 20:35:44 perhaps I can help for onces, instead of causing trouble. Aug 12 20:35:54 er, once Aug 12 20:35:55 El_Senator: Video was choppy on my SDcard on my eee, I can only imagine how bad it is on the MICRO SD Aug 12 20:36:00 eww Aug 12 20:36:03 DaveLab: it was way over the top. 640x480 xvid Aug 12 20:36:18 Torikun: don't boot Aug 12 20:36:26 el_senator: thats too much:-) Aug 12 20:36:33 malik1972: i know :) Aug 12 20:36:43 i just tried it briefly, and that was what i had laying around Aug 12 20:36:48 zogs how did you install the kernel Aug 12 20:36:52 I have some 480x232 movies I have for my GPS. Only thing is I had to turn the encoding up waaaaay high to sqeeuze them into a 1GB USB card, so it's real blocky. played some of those ok on FR. Aug 12 20:37:03 xinit exited with preemp_Layout Aug 12 20:37:05 ok Aug 12 20:37:30 is there any sort of hardware acceleration of the gfx on the ASU xserver? Aug 12 20:37:31 Guess that's what happens when you turn a 6GB DVD rip into a 250MB MPEG Aug 12 20:37:35 el_senator: is there an mplayer ipk with glamo support? Aug 12 20:37:45 you mean way way down Aug 12 20:37:57 so they look like shit, but play smoothly, let alone, fit Aug 12 20:37:57 pfft. Aug 12 20:37:59 malik1972: glamo is the xserver right? in that case, it seems so Aug 12 20:38:03 zogs: My phone is using U-Boot 1.3.2-moko12 Aug 12 20:38:06 it's for a 4 year old, he doesn't care. Aug 12 20:38:09 You're so cool! Aug 12 20:38:12 Chox :) Aug 12 20:38:14 Sweet Aug 12 20:38:18 malik1972: ah no. Aug 12 20:38:22 my 8GB USB came too late, so couldn't redo them in time. Aug 12 20:38:28 gps movies sound kind of kinky. Aug 12 20:38:35 yessir Aug 12 20:38:39 I approve. Aug 12 20:38:47 I approve this message Aug 12 20:38:49 I would like to have some informations about hardware part of the freerunner Aug 12 20:38:51 glamo is the gfx chip i see Aug 12 20:38:52 the GPS chick is English Aug 12 20:39:01 damunix: look on the wiki Aug 12 20:39:04 What gps chick Aug 12 20:39:06 British? Aug 12 20:39:07 my gps does not talk Aug 12 20:39:08 lol Aug 12 20:39:11 el_senator: u used the usual mplayer Aug 12 20:39:12 OH Aug 12 20:39:13 :P Aug 12 20:39:16 aha yeah Aug 12 20:39:17 the chick in my GPS wossname (not FR) Aug 12 20:39:17 malik1972: yes Aug 12 20:39:20 How do you get gps chick Aug 12 20:39:21 just briefly Aug 12 20:39:23 good thing you can't get arrested for that :D Aug 12 20:39:30 el_senator: that explains a lot, its slow Aug 12 20:39:35 malik1972: i know :) Aug 12 20:39:35 I need to make an electronic card, and I would like to know what is the better connection : usb or I²C ? Aug 12 20:39:42 haha I thought you said she was slow Aug 12 20:39:43 i never said it would be fast :) Aug 12 20:39:45 to connect to the openmoko Aug 12 20:39:45 "Stay on the highway. For a while" Aug 12 20:39:48 (which she very well may be) Aug 12 20:39:53 chox, must be blonde :p Aug 12 20:40:10 No, just English :p Aug 12 20:40:17 so, just as bad :P Aug 12 20:40:27 but with worse dental hygiene Aug 12 20:40:31 better, as long as she's not from Essex Aug 12 20:41:03 I can assure you that English dental hygiene has markedly improved since the 1980s. Aug 12 20:41:25 as have many things English. Except for the price of stuff. Aug 12 20:41:40 like Japan, I guess :p Aug 12 20:42:20 I think English people still get braces far less often than US people, so "bad teeth" might be legitimate. :) Aug 12 20:42:39 NHS sucks ass for getting things actually fixed with teeth Aug 12 20:42:41 :D Aug 12 20:42:46 I had to spend 1800gbp and go private Aug 12 20:42:48 crookedness. Aug 12 20:42:48 That's cos English don't got in for Adult braces :p Aug 12 20:43:03 they from the hood, yo? Aug 12 20:43:30 * Chox used to got to Boots for dentist. Aug 12 20:43:43 Chox: get them kicked out :-D Aug 12 20:44:01 That's like saying in the US you'd go to RiteAid to get your dental work done. Aug 12 20:44:36 :P Aug 12 20:44:42 xora haha Aug 12 20:45:32 anyway, enough beating on the Enlgish. What can we abuse the Americans about? Aug 12 20:45:41 does anyone know a way to sync the neo to any suite? like calendar and todo? Aug 12 20:45:41 English Aug 12 20:46:41 Sounds like you want to sync your microsoft outlook, can I help you destroy your spam email? Aug 12 20:46:54 * DaveLab turns into clippy and stabs Kev in the eye Aug 12 20:46:58 When I enter the pin code in FSO I have to place a finger somewhere on the screen. This way I avoid that the screen goes black before the pin-code is accepted. If I don't place the finger, then the phone gives up before accepting the pin code. Aug 12 20:47:06 getting a bit violent around here late at night Aug 12 20:47:17 Yeah, guess so. Aug 12 20:47:26 no, I want so sync evolution or kontact or whatever is possible, im flexible... Aug 12 20:47:27 :) Aug 12 20:47:34 Ah Aug 12 20:47:41 Xora, early for us :P Aug 12 20:47:43 maybe that's why Aug 12 20:47:45 yeah, let's have a pub brawl Aug 12 20:47:51 Kev_: depends what you use, 2007.2 you can just copy the .eds folder to and from desktop :-) Aug 12 20:47:54 rofl Aug 12 20:48:00 11pm chucking out time, all pile into the streets Aug 12 20:48:01 chox, since when did YOU become british? Aug 12 20:48:21 Dave: I almost became British 5 years ago. Aug 12 20:48:30 I'm using 20080812 qtopia-x11... on the desktop side I use evolution Aug 12 20:48:31 11pm? last I was in a pub I was chucked out at 3am Aug 12 20:48:39 My Grandfather was English Aug 12 20:49:12 XorA|gone: heh, I know. They changed all that a few years ago, it was a troll :p Aug 12 20:49:25 Chox: actually Im in Scotland anyway :-D Aug 12 20:49:34 that was my second line. Aug 12 20:49:53 Glasgae? Aug 12 20:49:54 used to be fun before they changed, Id forget I was south of the border and forget to drink quicker Aug 12 20:49:59 bloody poms Aug 12 20:50:02 Edinburgh Aug 12 20:50:14 Ah, Edinbruh. Aug 12 20:50:37 I was seriously looking to move there at one point. Aug 12 20:50:44 nice town Aug 12 20:50:49 No way to sync without copying files? Aug 12 20:51:02 Now I live in flippin' SoCal Aug 12 20:51:02 Kev_: no idea what qtopia uses to sync, ask lpotter :-) Aug 12 20:51:05 rsync! Aug 12 20:51:10 scp! Aug 12 20:51:15 Hi, new here. I loaded the latest FR image and find I cannot log in via SSH. It connects, but doesn't accept blank as a password. Did the password cahnge? Aug 12 20:51:16 lol :D Aug 12 20:51:18 currently qotpia can only sync to outlook Aug 12 20:51:26 ew. Aug 12 20:51:33 what????? Aug 12 20:51:34 someone can write a qdsync plugin Aug 12 20:51:52 probably a wise choice, everytime I enter contacts in evolution it crashes forever :-) Aug 12 20:52:08 devolution Aug 12 20:52:41 hm ok.. than I will deinstall now the calendar and use openmoko-dates2 instead... I've no outlook and no license for it... Aug 12 20:54:05 sowrite a qdsycn plugin Aug 12 20:54:32 dammit Aug 12 20:54:44 * Chox falls in to xkcdequse package tracking mode. Aug 12 20:55:04 * lpotter might become an aussie Aug 12 20:55:25 gotta work on my lingo. crickie! Aug 12 20:55:33 That's crikey Aug 12 20:55:39 see Aug 12 20:55:40 or criket :p Aug 12 20:55:45 er, cricket Aug 12 20:56:05 Throw a 4 X in the Esky Aug 12 20:56:20 put ya flip flops on, and grab some fesh and cheps Aug 12 20:56:37 Throw some yabbies on the barbie Aug 12 20:56:39 * Chox does it all! Aug 12 20:56:42 my son uses the words 'wrench' and 'mom' :) Aug 12 20:57:12 my son uses the word "jandal". And he's American, go figure. Aug 12 20:57:38 no flipflops for me.. bircks! Aug 12 20:57:52 with socks in the winter Aug 12 20:58:11 socks don't really work with jandals Aug 12 20:58:23 (physically, not fashionally, that is) Aug 12 21:00:00 Just a quick question. Whats the biggest microSD card the can handled by freerunner? 2GB 4GB or what? Aug 12 21:00:29 8G works Aug 12 21:00:32 larger probably does too Aug 12 21:00:38 if you can find one :p Aug 12 21:00:49 do we think that larger impacts battery life? Aug 12 21:01:06 no, that wouldn't make sense Aug 12 21:01:13 I guess *faster* might impact battery life Aug 12 21:01:28 because the SD clock would go up to 66MHz Aug 12 21:01:29 Ok, thanks. Aug 12 21:01:36 but we're not talking about a big change in current Aug 12 21:01:39 I'm not so familiar with how it would or wouldn't make sense, but I had an experience with a camera in the past that died very rapidly when using a larger SD card vs a smaller one Aug 12 21:01:46 so I'm apprehensive Aug 12 21:01:57 that could have speed though, certainly Aug 12 21:02:02 *been Aug 12 21:02:28 well, the sd isn't clocked (anymore) when the card isn't in use either so... Aug 12 21:02:39 Weird. Yes, might have been speed. The controller detects high-speed cards and increases the clock accordingly. Aug 12 21:02:41 mjr: that's true Aug 12 21:02:44 probably not that much. Aug 12 21:02:48 Is there a new SSH default password in the latest (8-12) image? Blank doesn't seem to work anymore. Aug 12 21:02:54 johnsu01: I think you just had a freak experience Aug 12 21:03:28 reboot Aug 12 21:05:22 easy_, anyway, at least up to 32G (SDHC spec limit) should work when available Aug 12 21:05:46 yeah, sounds likely Aug 12 21:06:14 8 is available now Aug 12 21:06:33 moox. Aug 12 21:07:21 4 days now so does the phone work yet? Aug 12 21:07:41 Thanks -- rebooting allows me to log via SSH in using blank as the password. Aug 12 21:07:48 yay Aug 12 21:07:57 u have 2008.8? Aug 12 21:08:13 passdw Aug 12 21:08:15 Yes -- this iw with the latest image and kernel Aug 12 21:08:27 from today? Aug 12 21:08:32 yes Aug 12 21:08:53 chgeck the phone operation an report to us Aug 12 21:08:55 does anyone know what neod does exactly? Aug 12 21:09:37 i can make calls -- i hear the ring etc. Aug 12 21:10:00 can u talk an hear the other party ok? Aug 12 21:10:02 The phone also disconnects cleanly -- no delays Aug 12 21:10:30 Yes the volume is good and the quality is excellent -- this is on AT&T in NYC Aug 12 21:10:36 ok Aug 12 21:10:43 ima gonna tryit Aug 12 21:11:06 do you mean 20080812? Aug 12 21:11:27 Yes -- the image/kernel posted in dailybuild Aug 12 21:11:38 oo Aug 12 21:11:43 k, so not the real 2008.8 distro Aug 12 21:11:55 meaning the one release on Fri? Aug 12 21:12:05 not exactly Aug 12 21:12:17 hmmm not sure what you refer to Aug 12 21:12:27 there is a different branch for the 2008.8 (friday+updates) and the qtopia-x11 image on daily build Aug 12 21:12:38 a daily build of the new releare Aug 12 21:12:47 oh -- this is qtopia build Aug 12 21:12:56 or the daily build of the old Aug 12 21:13:28 so no gps? Aug 12 21:13:33 openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 Aug 12 21:13:36 there are no daily builds of the 2008.8 distro, only qtopia-x11, you have to compile it byself out of the asu.testing branch Aug 12 21:13:48 ok Aug 12 21:14:17 on qtopia-x11 there are some things missing, like no function with the hardware buttons and so on Aug 12 21:14:22 haven't tried it yet -- need to install an app -- though i could check at the cmd line if it remembered the port for gspipie Aug 12 21:14:26 haven't tried it yet -- need to install an app -- though i could check at the cmd line if it remembered the port for gspipe Aug 12 21:14:44 gps is working in both, 2008.8 and daily build Aug 12 21:14:49 also not installer Aug 12 21:15:29 gsm? Aug 12 21:16:27 what do you mean? Aug 12 21:16:29 gsm??? Aug 12 21:16:37 phone works to? Aug 12 21:16:38 didi you know where I find u-boot 1.3.2-moko12? Aug 12 21:16:56 yes the phone works -- at least outbound call are fine. Aug 12 21:17:05 thats the default u-boot Aug 12 21:17:35 linuxxr: yes I have upgraded Aug 12 21:17:53 I want return to default Aug 12 21:17:58 why? Aug 12 21:18:12 anyone know anything about the lack of sound with phone calls and the ringer with post milestone2 fso? Aug 12 21:18:16 linters Aug 12 21:18:31 ieatlint: do you have a source for daily FSO builds? Aug 12 21:18:31 hey chox Aug 12 21:18:41 because I love u-boot default it prety cool Aug 12 21:18:43 well tangogps is broken Aug 12 21:18:49 donomo, are you asking me for a source? Aug 12 21:18:55 ieatlint: yes, a url Aug 12 21:19:05 then nope Aug 12 21:19:11 default u-boot has some bugs.. Aug 12 21:19:23 ieatlint: how are you getting post-milestone2 FSO? Aug 12 21:19:25 zogs: can you boot yet Aug 12 21:19:28 which u-boot version is beter? Aug 12 21:19:31 tangogps will work if you install gpsd Aug 12 21:19:43 heh Aug 12 21:19:50 use the latest one.. Aug 12 21:20:01 donomo, you could always compile it yourself Aug 12 21:20:22 opkg says Package gpsd (2.34-r9) installed in root is up to date. Aug 12 21:20:23 ieatlint: true. i tried that a few days ago. ran out of disk space :( Aug 12 21:20:33 ieatlint: downloading a jffs is so much easier Aug 12 21:20:44 satchmo you have to configure gpsd... Aug 12 21:20:45 satchmo: have you edited the file? Aug 12 21:20:46 well, that sucks, heh Aug 12 21:21:04 which file? Aug 12 21:21:09 ieatlint: heh. im also looking for the git url for FSO. i figure its in the mokomakefile somewhere Aug 12 21:21:34 /etc/default/gpsd Aug 12 21:21:47 then start it with "/etc/init.d/gpsd start" Aug 12 21:22:03 oh yeah to ttySAC1, right? no i haven't done that -- forgot Aug 12 21:22:32 yes Aug 12 21:24:24 Does anyone remember the gspd config line? Aug 12 21:24:40 It can look it up but if it is handy .... Aug 12 21:25:25 GPS_DEV="/dev/ttySAC1" Aug 12 21:26:06 thanks Kev -- any reason why that is not part of the default jffs? Aug 12 21:30:02 don't know, sorry :) Aug 12 21:30:03 Anyhow Tangogps is still broken -- no interaction for any of the buttons. At least I can quit it using 'remove'. Aug 12 21:30:13 fucking 24hours disconnection Aug 12 21:33:04 yay! nvda conference call is going well! Stock is up 12% after hours! Thank god!.....that 20% drop in 1 day a month ago was rough! (no one else probably cares....but i had to say it somewhere!) Aug 12 21:39:01 well, considering that nvidia is the only evil one left of the big three gpu makers ... ;) (no, matrox doesn't count anymore) Aug 12 21:40:53 hello people I just have like one day with the Om2008 and mi phone is not booting again Aug 12 21:41:26 ello Aug 12 21:42:42 quick report on 0812 qtopia openmoko image re: gps -- TangoGPS (no button interaction) and GPSDrive ("Application run error") are broken. DiversityNav appears to work. Aug 12 21:43:20 Bye Aug 12 21:43:57 ulix: did you boot from sd? Aug 12 21:44:02 no Aug 12 21:44:35 I used dfutil to upload the images and then opkg update && opkg upgrade Aug 12 21:44:45 from my pc Aug 12 21:45:55 the phone was working fine in the morning but when I get home it does not want to bootup again Aug 12 21:46:16 is this an issue apart from me? Aug 12 21:46:58 maybe opkg upgrade broke something, sorry, gotta go to sleep Aug 12 21:59:31 help! Trying to install terminal2 in OM2008.8 but libvte9 needs to be greater than 0.16.9. I can only find 0.16.8-r4 for arm4vt Aug 12 21:59:45 armv4t Aug 12 22:01:11 no one around? Aug 12 22:02:23 is there a known bug for which the fr doesn't get charged by usb? Aug 12 22:02:51 someone mentioned something like that in here Aug 12 22:03:12 darn Aug 12 22:03:13 YES Aug 12 22:03:17 I DID Aug 12 22:03:21 :( Aug 12 22:03:25 Hey ecraven :P Aug 12 22:03:27 bastard! Aug 12 22:03:48 i'm getting errors when tryign to opkg install anything, any one know a fix/ Aug 12 22:04:01 Dave, did it happen after an upgrade? (2007.2 here btw) Aug 12 22:04:18 huh? Aug 12 22:04:23 It always happened Aug 12 22:04:25 it happens often Aug 12 22:04:31 usually reconnecting it works Aug 12 22:04:34 damn, it's first time for me Aug 12 22:04:38 doesn't Aug 12 22:04:38 but it sometimes stops after a while Aug 12 22:04:43 at least here Aug 12 22:04:47 it's kind of fucked up :D Aug 12 22:04:48 damn Aug 12 22:04:59 does the charger work? Aug 12 22:05:20 i try to reboot the fr Aug 12 22:05:37 yea Aug 12 22:05:40 did you try the wall charger? Aug 12 22:05:45 not yet Aug 12 22:05:50 i try to reboot the fr first Aug 12 22:06:10 hey!! i'm a windows user! look mama!! Aug 12 22:06:19 i reboot with no hands! Aug 12 22:06:58 :p Aug 12 22:07:02 :D Aug 12 22:07:14 Does pure Qtopia suspend/resume reliably ? Aug 12 22:09:13 CVirus, it did for me Aug 12 22:10:14 damnit, I can't import my effing contacts because the damn OM2008.8 doesn't have a terminal Aug 12 22:10:26 is there a way I can run commands through SSH on the actual device? Aug 12 22:10:28 lollydays: for how long have you been using it ? Aug 12 22:10:49 CVirus, I had been using it until last friday's release Aug 12 22:11:17 lollydays: how many days can the battery last ? Aug 12 22:11:28 not too long, maybe a day or two Aug 12 22:11:47 lollydays: you are able to recieve phone calls during suspend ? Aug 12 22:12:05 lollydays: don't you get this "white screen" that people talk about ? Aug 12 22:12:31 with Qtopia? I didn't get the white screen, although I haven't used Qtopia since friday Aug 12 22:12:43 Dave, plugging/unplugging the wall charger then plugging usb does the trick Aug 12 22:12:57 lollydays: are you able to recieve phone calls during suspend ? Aug 12 22:13:14 is there any way you can run commands on the FR through SSH? Aug 12 22:13:40 i want to run the /opt/Qtopia/bin/addressbook to import my contacts Aug 12 22:14:35 CVirus, yeah, I could get calls when on suspend Aug 12 22:14:35 lollydays: just like the other images, using USB networking Aug 12 22:15:12 lollydays: in your personal opinion .. do you think it's reliable to use FreeRunner + Qtopia on dialy basis ? Aug 12 22:16:00 CVirus, probably not. I mean you could probably make it work but you'd probably miss plenty of calls Aug 12 22:16:16 lollydays: why would I miss plenty of calls ? Aug 12 22:16:27 FreeRunners are sold out? Aug 12 22:16:38 CVirus, Qtopia can answer calls when in suspend but sometimes it crashes Aug 12 22:16:40 at least for me Aug 12 22:16:46 or the mic wouldn't turn on Aug 12 22:17:00 also SMS messages would only be recieved after a fresh reboot Aug 12 22:17:02 hmm Aug 12 22:17:10 so yeah, you could make it work it would just be a handful Aug 12 22:17:24 McKael, I know but how do you run a command on the phone itself? the import program on OM2008.8 has a GUI Aug 12 22:17:47 Then that's not the good question :p Aug 12 22:17:58 what? Aug 12 22:18:04 Maybe with openssh and ssh -X ? Aug 12 22:18:27 Or do you just want to launch the program? Aug 12 22:18:43 in which case "DISPLAY=:0 command" should work Aug 12 22:18:44 i've been trying that, but when the GUI opens up on my desktop it runs the import and the last step is to hit next, but I can't see a next Aug 12 22:18:50 I jsut want to launch it Aug 12 22:19:28 when do I run the DISPLAY command Aug 12 22:19:56 In your ssh shell Aug 12 22:19:59 You can do Aug 12 22:20:09 $ export DISPLAY=:0 Aug 12 22:20:12 $ command Aug 12 22:20:57 Hmm. Can't get mplayer to run on Qtopia. Looks like the libxv package is empty. Aug 12 22:21:26 which makes sense, actually Aug 12 22:22:20 thanks Mckael, worked like a charm Aug 12 22:22:32 lollydays: great Aug 12 22:22:33 Can I install a browser on Qtopia ? Aug 12 22:23:17 yeah Aug 12 22:34:23 k Aug 12 22:34:25 hm is there any other text editor available on the neo other then vi? :p Aug 12 22:34:37 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r24a61b61c521 10/packages/efl1/ (ecore.inc ecore_cvs.bb): [ecore] Fix DEPENDS to make the build deterministic Aug 12 22:34:37 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r4094dddf4d8c 10/packages/efl1/ (evas.inc evas_cvs.bb): [evas] Fix DEPENDS to make the build deterministic Aug 12 22:34:39 what do you want ? gedit ? Aug 12 22:34:56 for example ;) Aug 12 22:35:12 hehe Aug 12 22:35:15 no clue Aug 12 22:35:26 sed is available. Aug 12 22:35:27 nah something like nano, just simple Aug 12 22:35:35 LOL @ KenYoung Aug 12 22:35:45 I couldn't resist. Aug 12 22:37:19 I ported nedit to the Neo a while ago. It works well over an ssh-forwarded X connection from a PC; haven't tried it on the Neo's screen Aug 12 22:45:36 Pjj: emacs builds for, and runs on, the Neo Aug 12 22:48:10 yo yo yo Aug 12 22:48:30 mmontour, so I just mounted that sd card here, the strange one from earlier... Aug 12 22:48:44 It reports having 0 Inodes (at all0 Aug 12 22:48:56 Seems like it's just not reporting it though. Aug 12 22:49:02 df -i, that is. Aug 12 22:50:27 that sounds impossible. Have you tried e2fsck'ing it? Aug 12 22:51:59 "df -i" should report total, used, and free inodes. The first two have to be non-zero. Aug 12 22:51:59 nah I haven't Aug 12 22:52:07 df -i reports Aug 12 22:52:34 /dev/sdc1 0 0 0 - /media/usbdisk Aug 12 22:52:40 strange, right? Aug 12 22:52:49 every other system disk reports correctly, however. Aug 12 22:54:00 yeah, something's wrong there. Can you see files if you 'ls /media/usbdisk'? And what filesystem is it using? (type "mount" and look for the row for /dev/sdc1) Aug 12 22:54:02 mmontour, since I'm losing interest in trying to decipher the oddities that surround this issue and just get on with my work, I was going to just reformat the sd card and transfer my sources via pc now. Aug 12 22:54:08 yeah I can see the files just fine though. Aug 12 22:54:15 the filesystem it is using is FAT16 Aug 12 22:54:20 is there a media player for the fso yet? Aug 12 22:54:25 I mounted it as vfat (of course) Aug 12 22:54:33 oh. Use a real filesystem (ext3). Aug 12 22:54:37 haha, well yeah Aug 12 22:54:48 Honestly though I figure maybe it got corrupted? or it surely ran out of inodes Aug 12 22:54:52 I just think it's strange. Aug 12 22:55:10 it would be "FAT entries" or whatever MS uses, not inodes. Aug 12 22:55:19 hah Aug 12 22:55:22 I have no idea :) Aug 12 22:55:52 could it hurt to run anything more, or is the curiousity now gone? :) Aug 12 22:56:36 Curiosity is gone - just reformat as ext3. Aug 12 22:56:45 huhu Aug 12 23:09:33 hi@all Aug 12 23:09:49 hi Aug 12 23:10:04 does anybody know if ic can use the openmoko with linuxmce Aug 12 23:10:16 eg as an remotecontrol Aug 12 23:16:04 I'm trying to "import gtk" in a python script on the gta02 with 2008.8, but I get the error: NameError: name 'init' is not defined Aug 12 23:16:10 any hints? Aug 12 23:19:04 mellhen: depends what it requires Aug 12 23:26:17 anybody here who has a freerunner and is located in west-germany? like aachen or cologne? Aug 12 23:26:44 I'd like to see one before I buy it.... Aug 12 23:32:13 Spida: i had mine at the ICMP4... Aug 12 23:32:30 can someone tell me where bluez-util's pand has gone? Aug 12 23:32:37 it's not there anymore Aug 12 23:37:13 Is there a reason other than a defective battery that the device wouldn't turn on with ONLY that battery in it even with the charger hooked up? Aug 12 23:37:53 Centaur5 because th ebattery is totaly flat? Aug 12 23:38:50 kgoetz: The charger doesn't supply sufficient voltage to turn it on while it charges? Aug 12 23:39:47 gr Aug 12 23:40:16 Centaur5: doesnt a tottaly flat battery stop it booting? Aug 12 23:45:00 what could be the reason my neo has an everage of 85 ms ping time to my wirelless router? Aug 12 23:45:56 cordless phones Aug 12 23:46:03 just a guess Aug 12 23:46:38 kgoetz: You're right, I had to let it charge for 5 minutes before it had sufficient charge to turn on. I've never seen that in a phone. Sorry for the dumb question. Aug 12 23:47:17 how can i get the latest fso on my phone? will putting milestone 2 on and doing an opkg update work? Aug 12 23:47:39 remme: it doesn't come with opkg repos set up Aug 12 23:47:39 is there one alsamixer volume control for the handset earpiece? Which one is it? Aug 12 23:47:49 I'm not sure how to do it, would be curious to find out Aug 12 23:47:56 * donomo is curious too Aug 12 23:47:57 can someone tell me the names of gsm in-/output and mic in for alsa? Aug 12 23:48:06 I think there might just not be opkg repos for fso Aug 12 23:48:13 cjb: i'm thinking you have to compile the whole thing yourself, which is a giant pain Aug 12 23:48:35 yes Aug 12 23:48:42 it seems odd not to provide a build host that does it Aug 12 23:48:48 maybe I should offer to provide one Aug 12 23:48:51 mickey|zzZZzz: ^ Aug 12 23:49:03 no point in everyone compiling separately. Aug 12 23:49:23 Centaur5: i think its a known problem Aug 12 23:49:50 i just want sms to work on the fso :( Aug 12 23:49:54 Anybody know if there is a warranty on dead pixels for the freerunner? Aug 12 23:50:17 remme: oh, SMS notifications? yeah Aug 12 23:51:48 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_audio_subsystem for alsamixer naming stuff (the page has a mix of Neo1973 and Freerunner info, but it's a good place to start) Aug 12 23:52:10 mmontour, i know this page Aug 12 23:52:21 but are the pin names = alsa names? Aug 12 23:53:33 it now has a diagram marked with the numbers of the controls in the alsa state files Aug 12 23:54:03 you can look in those files to get the name of each control Aug 12 23:56:15 ok Aug 12 23:56:27 if this works you are my hero mmontour Aug 12 23:56:49 thank the guy who marked up that diagram (wasn't me) Aug 12 23:58:26 didn't know it and i ask a lot of people Aug 13 00:04:13 exit Aug 13 00:06:11 morning Aug 13 00:06:22 evening Aug 13 00:07:49 MrTuttle: upgrade python-pygtk Aug 13 00:08:03 use the one in the scaredycat repos Aug 13 00:37:14 anyone know what would cause gtk applications (aka tangogps) not to screen refresh/respond to clicks on 20080811? Aug 13 00:43:53 uggh Aug 13 00:47:51 Mmontour, the plot thickens :( Aug 13 00:48:42 So I formatted the sd card as ext3, the SAME filesystem as my pc, and simply copied the files over via usb card reader. However, NOW it's showing a discrepancy (smaller)! Aug 13 00:48:50 This time it's about 40M too small Aug 13 00:49:15 Normally if it were a Megabyte or two I might just shrug it off, but 40? I'd say a good bit must not have been copied -_- Aug 13 00:49:42 Dave, how are you copying it? Aug 13 00:50:07 true, I used cp -R Aug 13 00:50:29 yeah, you need to ensure it keeps permissions Aug 13 00:50:37 but that's not due to the loss of data Aug 13 00:51:00 :| Aug 13 00:51:06 that's because the memory is sitting in buffers, and you're pulling the card off without flushing them Aug 13 00:51:47 trying "rsync -av src dst" and then "sync" may solve your problem Aug 13 00:52:26 oh, but I used -p :| Aug 13 00:52:40 so wtf Aug 13 00:52:50 alright, I'll try rsync Aug 13 00:52:56 that may work... i just personally never trust cp when permissions are key, but that's my own issue :P Aug 13 00:53:00 though shouldn't cp -Rp have worked? Aug 13 00:53:04 true :P Aug 13 00:53:09 well that's what I issued Aug 13 00:53:19 I don't know why the fuck it didn't work :D Aug 13 00:53:22 it's the sync command you need methinks Aug 13 00:53:29 I'll try rsync, it's always been my bestest friend for backups. Aug 13 00:54:03 :) Aug 13 01:03:54 ieatlint need I wipe it fresh? Aug 13 01:23:53 raster! Aug 13 01:24:45 burrp Aug 13 01:26:20 raster: moooo Aug 13 01:27:00 moo2 Aug 13 01:27:09 :-) Aug 13 01:32:02 Joerg! :D Aug 13 01:32:16 Hello Mister Raster Aug 13 01:32:23 moo3 Aug 13 01:32:38 mood Aug 13 01:37:50 Can someone please explain why I always need to do 'ifconfig usb0 192.168.1.200 netmask 255.255.255.248' each time I connect the neo even though I have "allow-hotplug usb0 ...' in my interfaces file on desktop ? Aug 13 01:38:30 ieatlint: well, bad news (maybe?) Aug 13 01:38:55 I ran rsync -a and it ran in a matter of seconds, then sync'ed and nothing changed -_- Aug 13 01:39:09 hipitihop: have you setup the interface correctly? Aug 13 01:42:25 kgoetz, do you mean 'iface usb0 inet static...' etc in my desktop interfaces file ? Aug 13 01:42:43 hipitihop: yes Aug 13 01:42:55 rasterize Aug 13 01:43:42 kgoetz, I can ping and ssh to the neo and the neo can ping the desktop Aug 13 01:45:06 kgoetz, but only after I manually run 'sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.1.200 netmask 255.255.255.252' or .248 Aug 13 01:45:28 hipitihop: so that completely fails to answer my question Aug 13 01:45:48 kgoets, sorry, please elaborate Aug 13 01:46:11 hipitihop: pastebin your interfaces file Aug 13 01:46:12 do you want to see my interfaces file via a pastebin ? Aug 13 01:46:17 k Aug 13 01:46:19 yes, thanks Aug 13 01:47:28 oh wells, I'm going to try it Aug 13 01:50:13 kgoetz, http://pastebin.com/m50ec0af2 Aug 13 01:51:37 kgoetz, fyi, wireless-key and wireless-essid on eth1 omitted from pastebin Aug 13 01:52:29 hipitihop: try making your netmask 192 Aug 13 01:53:03 kgoetz, do you also want fr interfaces one ? Aug 13 01:53:31 hipitihop: nah Aug 13 01:53:38 So I'm using the standalone development kit and cross compiler.. I've also done a complete mokomakefile build. How do I link against libraries built by mokomakefile? Aug 13 01:53:39 not unless you customised it Aug 13 01:54:42 kgoetz, yes to place it on separate subnet 192.168.1.202 whereas desktop and remainder of my network is 192.168.0.x Aug 13 01:55:16 kgoetz, I have been struggling to get it (neo) to get out past the desktop and that is what someone else here suggested yesterday Aug 13 01:56:16 ah, ok. Aug 13 01:56:30 you should be able to mask it while being on 0 still Aug 13 01:56:36 thtas what mine is Aug 13 01:57:32 If you can ping the desktop at all, you should just be able to route add default gw desktop on your phone, and have it just work. Aug 13 01:57:41 Once you properly configure masquerading. Aug 13 01:57:52 kgoetz, I'm happy to switch neo back to 192.168.0.x if you think that makes things easier/comparable , just realize my router/gateway to the outside world is also 192.168.0.1 Aug 13 01:58:35 KenYoung: I tried orrery earlier, but something was very wrong-- it showed all these stars up in the sky, but really only the sun was out (the rest didnt come out until MANY hours later ;-) Aug 13 01:58:40 SpeedEvil, I can ping the desktop but not the router Aug 13 01:58:42 Even if it's on a completely seperate net - my router is on 10.0.0.2, my desktop is on 192.168.0.88, and it hyst works Aug 13 01:59:06 "just works" Aug 13 01:59:12 huhu Aug 13 01:59:13 :P Aug 13 01:59:16 Infoport :D Aug 13 01:59:21 SpeedEvil, my desktop is 192.168.0.4 and my router is 192.168.0.1 Aug 13 01:59:21 I'm hacking teh orrery :) Aug 13 01:59:25 You'll appreciate that :) Aug 13 02:00:17 hipitihop: setting a custom mask should fix you up Aug 13 02:00:18 Dave: I noticed later that when I reinstalled orrery, I still got it in PIM and in Applications-- did you take out the tag Office, or just add another? Aug 13 02:00:57 kgoetz, so what do you suggest I flick everything back to same subnet first 192.168.0.x ? Aug 13 02:01:05 Infoport, my changes haven't been added to his opkg, to my knowledge Aug 13 02:01:20 I mean dude, I don't have commit access or access to fuck up his already-made packages :D Aug 13 02:01:26 That would be rather... uhh... naughty! Aug 13 02:01:32 But hopefully I can get permission >:) Aug 13 02:01:35 I sent him changes Aug 13 02:01:41 Kev Aug 13 02:02:12 Dave: we need accelerometer support in OM-- I really think that clearing the screen should by "turn screen face down and shake back and forth" Aug 13 02:02:23 bah Aug 13 02:02:25 hipitihop: yes, and set a netmask of 192 Aug 13 02:02:27 yeah yeah Aug 13 02:02:31 someday... Aug 13 02:02:32 * rooly|away likes that idea Aug 13 02:02:32 :p Aug 13 02:02:35 don't get ahead of yourself Aug 13 02:02:45 etch-r-sketch! Aug 13 02:02:52 hot! Aug 13 02:02:55 DAve: aaahhh. oh and here I thought that was one of your magical powers :-P: Aug 13 02:02:57 evil Aug 13 02:03:31 kgoetz, is there some way to recover if I no longer can ping or ssh into the neo ? as I do not have a terminal on that side so everything being done via ssh at the moment Aug 13 02:03:44 flash it Aug 13 02:04:10 ^^ Aug 13 02:04:22 Infoport :D Aug 13 02:04:24 SpeedEvil, guess so, although this 2008.8 stack I'm running of the SD Aug 13 02:04:32 I have many, it's hard to discern what I can do at times ;) Aug 13 02:05:19 Though many are concealed within my alter identity >:) Aug 13 02:05:25 hipitihop: re-write the SD then, or work out the net config on the phone side Aug 13 02:06:18 hipitihop: you might also be able to boot the NAND OM2007 (or mount SD elsewhere on host computer), and then edit the files on the SD card as if they were just a directory, then reboot... of course it might be easier to reinstall 200.8 Aug 13 02:06:35 2208.8 Aug 13 02:06:41 2008.8 Aug 13 02:06:54 "third time's a charm" Aug 13 02:07:01 * hipitihop goes off to twiddle neos interfaces file and desktop interfaces standby.... Aug 13 02:07:10 As I understand it. Netmasks are irrelevant. You're not using them on the phone side - it's a point-point connection, with the point being also the gateway. Also on the desktop side, as your netmasks are presumably already setup so you can hit the net. The only thing remaining is the configuration of the masquerading/NAT, which is not under the control of netmasks Aug 13 02:07:38 * rooly|away sighs Aug 13 02:07:45 i need something to watch this super-drm'ed movie Aug 13 02:07:51 * rooly|away hates the MPAA Aug 13 02:08:51 uggh, what the fuck. Aug 13 02:09:02 brb, gnome-panel did Aug 13 02:09:08 Package gcc (4.1.2-r14) installed in root is up to date. Aug 13 02:09:09 -sh: gcc: not found Aug 13 02:09:15 dave Aug 13 02:09:17 on the phone? Aug 13 02:09:19 Yes. Aug 13 02:09:25 opkg install gcc-symlinks Aug 13 02:09:26 It was there last week! Aug 13 02:09:44 lovely, thanks. yeah someone fucked with shit in the upgrades :) Aug 13 02:09:46 hipitihop: have you setup the nameservers on the neo side? Aug 13 02:10:34 mmm food... Aug 13 02:10:37 SpeedEvil, put an echo nameserver 192.168.0.1 > /etc/resolv.conf Aug 13 02:10:43 uhh Aug 13 02:11:05 SpeedEvil, in neos interfaces Aug 13 02:11:16 oh yippee, am I going to have to now install a *-symlinks package for every single gnu utility? :D Aug 13 02:11:19 haha Aug 13 02:11:25 hipitihop: that doesn't work unless you've also got a properly configured nameserver at tehre Aug 13 02:11:36 can you ping the nameserver/ Aug 13 02:11:48 well gcc/g++ work now, so whee. Aug 13 02:12:05 hooray, I'm crazy! Aug 13 02:12:18 How long do you think it would take to compile a linux kernel on the phone? Aug 13 02:12:23 SpeedEvil, can we sort that as second step once I reconfig back to 192.168.0.x range and see what I can see Aug 13 02:12:30 a month maybe? :) Aug 13 02:12:30 hipitihop: of cours Aug 13 02:12:41 Dave: it's not that slow Aug 13 02:12:49 Dave: 2 hours IIRC Aug 13 02:12:53 COUGH Aug 13 02:13:04 Dave: tjhough IO wasn't building a properly patched kernel Aug 13 02:13:06 speedevil, I think you greatly underestimate how shitty it is. Aug 13 02:13:14 Dave: I've done it Aug 13 02:13:19 heh Aug 13 02:13:23 good Aug 13 02:13:45 Compiling avoids most of the problematic areas. Aug 13 02:13:58 It doesn't want to use FPU, ... Aug 13 02:14:02 i hate it i hate it i hate it Aug 13 02:20:45 * rooly|away needs a drm-removal tool Aug 13 02:21:15 rooly|away: camcorder Aug 13 02:21:40 can't play the dvd Aug 13 02:21:51 rooly|away: region problems? Aug 13 02:21:51 have linux, no stand-alone current dvd player Aug 13 02:22:01 nah, it's super-duper protected Aug 13 02:22:11 to the point of even offering a "digital copy" Aug 13 02:22:11 return it Aug 13 02:22:20 i wanna watch the movie tho! Aug 13 02:22:26 p2p it Aug 13 02:22:30 i'm about to Aug 13 02:22:36 gonna try to do it quicly first tho Aug 13 02:27:02 What linux dvd players have you tried? Aug 13 02:27:33 SpeedEvil, kgoetz, sorry for the delay trying reboot neo from SD Aug 13 02:31:11 rooly|away: doesnt your Linux box play encrypted movies? Aug 13 02:31:38 rooly|away: I like VLC player Aug 13 02:32:19 SpeedEvil: my Linux box plays other regions too (only have one from other region) Aug 13 02:34:49 aww crud Aug 13 02:34:50 SpeedEvil, kgoetz, ok, have neo/desktop up on same subnet 192.168.0.x neo is 192.168.0.202 and I'm using mask 192 Aug 13 02:34:52 gotchas Aug 13 02:37:52 SpeedEvil, kgoetz, ssh'ed into neo now. Can ping from neo to 192.168.0.4/192.168.0.200 but cannot ping the desktop's gateway/router 192.168.0.1 Aug 13 02:38:24 hipitihop: have you enabled packet forwarding on the desktop? Aug 13 02:39:20 kgoetz, I thought that is what the desktops interfaces file did automatically Aug 13 02:40:08 hipitihop: *should* do. its worth checking :) Aug 13 02:40:19 iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 Aug 13 02:40:20 sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 Aug 13 02:40:24 run it Aug 13 02:40:31 see if it makes a difference Aug 13 02:40:47 swapping -s for the phones ip even Aug 13 02:40:53 kgoetz, will try from cli assuming sudo needed in my case, standby Aug 13 02:40:53 Mr SpeedEvil, are you willing to send 10pF 0402 caps to the US? Aug 13 02:40:59 KenYoung: quite Aug 13 02:41:16 $5/3 Aug 13 02:41:31 How can I do the transaction? Aug 13 02:42:14 pm Aug 13 02:43:20 KenYoung: I tried out orrery earlier, but it didn't work right-- it showed all these stars, but the only one that was really out was the sun...the others werent out yet ;-) Aug 13 02:44:17 Infoport|food: yes they were Aug 13 02:44:28 Infoport|food: with a moderate scope, you can see stars during the day Aug 13 02:44:33 KenYoung: but please change it from Office...stargazing at work is only encouraged at observatories Aug 13 02:44:49 SpeedEvil: screenshot or it didnt happen :-P Aug 13 02:46:00 kgoetz, should 'sudo iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24' allow me to see 192.168.0.1 ? Aug 13 02:46:35 ok, time to impress another person with orrery...back later Aug 13 02:46:52 Infoport|food, I'll add a blue screen of death for daylight operation. Aug 13 02:47:13 kgoetz, according to ipcalcl it should Aug 13 02:47:23 Infoport|food, I work at an observatory, so the classification is ok for me. Aug 13 02:47:36 hipitihop: sorry to buger off, but i'm about to head to lunch Aug 13 02:47:55 kgoetz, np Aug 13 02:48:09 Infoport|food, I'm glad you tried my application. Please send bug reports and suggestions for changes to the address at the bottom of the orrery wiki page. Aug 13 02:48:46 Infoport|food, - you do know how to change the category from Office, right? Aug 13 02:52:27 Infoport|food: http://www.mapug-astronomy.net/astrodesigns/MAPUG/Daytime.htm Aug 13 02:54:08 SpeedEvil, I worked in a planetarium when I was in highschool - roughly 1/2 of the calls we got were from adults who noticed that the moon was visible during the day, and thought that was a remarkable astronomical event. Aug 13 02:54:54 KenYoung: I kid of course about the daylight viewing...but I have been impressing ppl all day with it Aug 13 02:56:08 Infoport|food, Thanks for the kind feedback. Please *do* send suggestions for improvements. That little program is the only excuse I have for buying a "developer's release" phone. Aug 13 02:56:19 KenYoung, no how do I remove/reorganize those menus? or do I have to compile it with a new tag set? Aug 13 02:56:27 KenYoung: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7489457.stm Aug 13 02:57:06 Infoport|food, If you hit Fullscreen, the menus go away. Aug 13 02:57:30 KenYoung: suggestion-- a way to tell which way you face, perhaps by walking that way a bit (toggle-able so it doesnt swing around unintentionally or from drift) Aug 13 02:57:39 Infoport|food, but there's no way to reo=-organize them, short of changing the code and recompiling. Aug 13 02:58:14 KenYoung: I meant the OM menus (like to get out of PIM, have to compile without Office tag?) Aug 13 02:58:29 Infoport|food, That's a neat idea. I'll put it in the todo list. Aug 13 02:59:29 Infoport|food, ALl you have to do to change that is edit the /usr/share/applications/orrery.desktop file. Aug 13 02:59:32 Is anyone aware of a highly optimized FFT library for Arm? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 13 02:59:57 2008