**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 13 02:59:57 2008 Aug 13 03:00:13 qmaxwell: Integer or floating point? Aug 13 03:00:52 Integer. Aug 13 03:01:03 KenYoung: I noticed in Display settings it mentions magnification for the two screens-- how do we magnify? Aug 13 03:01:14 gmaxwell, Sorry, I don't know then. Aug 13 03:01:18 cool! I will change my .desktop file Aug 13 03:01:54 Infoport|food, That's not magnification, that's the limiting magnitude of the faintest star displayed. Aug 13 03:02:39 KenYoung: in fact, I may reorganize several apps by their .desktop files, thanks for the tip (doh! and for explaining magnification-- that makes sense too) Aug 13 03:03:00 oops magnitude Aug 13 03:03:32 Infoport|food, I do intend to add magnification eventually. Aug 13 03:09:47 SpeedEvil, ok added postrouting and forward as per yours but still can't ping the router @ 192.168.0.1 Aug 13 03:11:09 hipitihop u have ubuntu? Aug 13 03:11:22 linuxxr, indeed Aug 13 03:11:29 8.04 hardy Aug 13 03:11:57 a 208.0? Aug 13 03:12:03 2008.8? Aug 13 03:12:24 2008.8 on SD Aug 13 03:12:26 or qtopia? Aug 13 03:12:29 ok Aug 13 03:12:38 hipitihop, you get your networking sorted? Aug 13 03:13:09 guess not Aug 13 03:13:19 adingman, nope still trying. switched everything back to same subnet 192.168.0.x but still can't see past the desktop Aug 13 03:13:33 hipitihop, where are you? Aug 13 03:13:55 starting to think too much of everyone's time has been wasted and should maybe try and get wifi going on the neo Aug 13 03:14:03 (ie, what continent) Aug 13 03:14:13 that way I can ssh in and it should have no problem getting out Aug 13 03:14:31 adingman, Aus Aug 13 03:14:35 i got a script that works for me u wanna see it Aug 13 03:15:14 Ahh. Work never takes me to that continent, so I can't follow that up with "buy me dinner and I'll fix your network" Aug 13 03:15:35 adingman, :-) virtual beers are also ordinary Aug 13 03:16:15 linuxxr, is that his one ? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/36833/ Aug 13 03:16:22 Well, the thing is I bet it's something easy that someone who knows how to do that already would be able to fix in 20 minutes tops if they had their hands on the system Aug 13 03:17:11 adingman, I'm sure, but I have spent inordinate hours trying to gwet this to work with lots of people on this channel too Aug 13 03:17:26 yeah, I gathered. Aug 13 03:17:55 adingman, should I just ignore and try and get wifi up on the neo ? assuming it works on 2008.8 Aug 13 03:18:09 The wifi stuff should just work, though you may need to get rid of the gateway line in your usb0 config. Aug 13 03:18:45 on the neo side ? Aug 13 03:18:49 yup Aug 13 03:19:15 which means then one could not use the current working usb to ssh in Aug 13 03:19:27 you'll pick up a default gateway from your wireless AP by dhcp, and two default gateways == badness. Aug 13 03:19:37 http://pastebin.com/d3149f956 Aug 13 03:19:53 other than that, in my 2008.8 build I can activate wifi from the GUI. Aug 13 03:20:48 I'm using WEP, should that be ok ? Aug 13 03:20:52 and the manual instructions for 2007.2 on the wiki worked just fine for me, too. Aug 13 03:21:09 As a rule, WEP is easier than WPA/WPA2 Aug 13 03:21:30 linuxxr, is that a Ubuntu script ? Aug 13 03:21:39 slackware Aug 13 03:21:48 though I can't say I've tried it, as both my home wifi and the AP I carry with me on trips are WPA2 Aug 13 03:22:09 Might try at the office tomorrow over lunch. That one is WEP+VPN. Aug 13 03:22:16 i dont know Aug 13 03:24:30 me i flashed my wrt54gl yesterday with dd-wrt24sp1 standard and it's great Aug 13 03:25:14 oh, and for anyone who cares, I'm seeing pretty decent battery life on my Freerunner with 2008.8+updates. I haven't plugged it in all day (about 14 hours), and it's still at about 75% Aug 13 03:26:03 * hipitihop would love to do 2008.8 updates, that's why he has wrestled so long to get out beyond the desk Aug 13 03:26:04 adingman, How much have you used it during that period (phone calls, etc)? Aug 13 03:26:24 good to know we can expect battery improvement along software updates Aug 13 03:26:42 A couple short phone calls, a few SMS. Enough to know it hadn't suspended itself into a coma :) Aug 13 03:27:15 still quite inconvenient to answer calls while it's idle though Aug 13 03:27:29 GSM on the whole time, wifi on for a couple hours in the morning and evening. Aug 13 03:27:56 i agree suspend to coma is quite an annoying feature Aug 13 03:28:14 bluetooth off 'cause my car is valet parked off someplace in the bowels of the hotel so I've got nothing to connect it to anyway. Aug 13 03:28:55 xmpp, it would be nice if the wakeup-to-answer process were a bit faster. Aug 13 03:30:51 anyway i'm still on 2007.2 because of bad comments about 2008.8 i hope it gets better soon enough Aug 13 03:31:47 xmpp, 2008.8 is initially very frustrating, but I think most people find it grows on them. Aug 13 03:31:58 xmpp DD-WRT is pretty nice, although I'm concerned about Brainslayer going commercial (and buildable srcs scarce) Aug 13 03:32:17 I finally bit the bullet and moved because of trac #1783. I'm mostly happy. Aug 13 03:32:33 Though I still can't get the illume config menu (the wrench) to show up. Aug 13 03:33:44 Now that I've got the keyboard fixed, I'm otherwise happy. Aug 13 03:34:07 Though I might have to file another SMS related trac... I can recieve, which is good, but I can't send. Aug 13 03:35:38 Infoport|food: i don't like that proprietary move either but i still though it was a better choice than Tomato or other at the moment Aug 13 03:36:38 i'm in the process of tuning my network the best i can considering my freerunner, do you have any suggestions? Aug 13 03:37:17 i wanted the vpn version of dd-wrt but some said they bricked their wrt54gl with it Aug 13 03:41:49 xmpp, open-wrt is releasing latest build end of the month including nice webui see site for details Aug 13 03:50:10 * daMaestro got his spares kit today Aug 13 03:50:18 hopefully, that means I can get this damn thing to boot again Aug 13 03:57:02 Does the OpenMoko device work with Sprint service? Aug 13 03:57:21 That is, Neo 1973 or FreeRunner running OpenMoko. Aug 13 03:57:29 RyanPrior: nope, only gsm Aug 13 03:57:57 Can you get a higher SLA with Spring to get GSM? Aug 13 03:58:04 *sprint Aug 13 03:58:04 RyanPrior, sprint is CDMA tech, so no Aug 13 03:58:08 hey Aug 13 03:58:23 small question : on the Daily Build, is openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk--20080813-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 the ASU ? Aug 13 03:58:33 feydreva, yes Aug 13 03:58:36 ok thx :) Aug 13 03:58:41 Alright, thanks. I hear that only AT&T and Cingulair offer GSM in the US - is that accurate? Aug 13 03:58:50 RyanPrior: in the US, I beleive that we are limited to AT&T or T-Mobile (see which covers you best) Aug 13 03:58:52 at&t is cingular Aug 13 03:59:02 see Infoport|food's comments Aug 13 03:59:37 Ah, T-Mobile, not Cingulair. I do remember AT&T swallowing them now, Aug 13 03:59:53 feydreva: NO! it is not ASU-- it is the Aug 11 daily build of OM2007 Aug 13 03:59:57 a pretty sloppy swallow at that :P Aug 13 04:00:09 feydreva: I mean Aug 13 Aug 13 04:00:15 lol Aug 13 04:00:19 Infoport|food, so wich one is the ASU ? Aug 13 04:00:29 feydreva, it is what you are thinking is the ASU Aug 13 04:00:34 Infoport|food: so devel of 2007 continues... Aug 13 04:00:41 Is there any way to configure the 2008.8 distribution to power down the backlight after, say 60 seconds, and go into suspend at a later time? Aug 13 04:00:41 Thanks for the info. If Google's Android project scares up any support from non-GSM carriers, then it's going to be difficult to choose between paying more for a different carrier or using a GPL'd phone software stack. Aug 13 04:00:51 daMaestro, Infoport i m lokking for 2008.8/ASU Aug 13 04:01:18 RyanPrior: cool thing about gsm is you get choice... Aug 13 04:01:29 feydreva, ASU stands for april software update Aug 13 04:01:38 april / august Aug 13 04:01:39 feydreva: the ASU build is here (no daily build) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8#Flash_Om_2008.8_images Aug 13 04:01:43 the one I download the 8 of august in http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/ but the new one... Aug 13 04:01:48 ~ASU Aug 13 04:01:49 somebody said asu was the April Software Update, an release name for a OpenMoko distribution. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Feature_Plan. Aug 13 04:02:04 daMaestro, ASU stand for April/August Suoftware update Aug 13 04:02:28 undrwater: Unless T-Mobile or AT&T build a tower near where I live, I won't be able to use their service except when I'm at work, so I'll be paying more for less service. Aug 13 04:02:37 haha, i like that Aug 13 04:02:42 feydreva: directory here has tar'ed version too http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/ Aug 13 04:02:49 so there is no Daily build of ASU :/ Aug 13 04:02:53 (same dir as wiki lists) Aug 13 04:02:57 and not ta lot of upgrades... Aug 13 04:03:11 feydreva: as of last night there were no upgrades Aug 13 04:03:36 k Aug 13 04:03:42 feydreva: unfortunately no, and there aren't binary updates yet (you would have to manually update from software srcs) Aug 13 04:04:13 feydreva: it *is* neat though, but I put it on SD card and kept OM2007 too Aug 13 04:04:19 Infoport, ok thx.. :) jsut I wnateds to know :) I wanted to see a newer version of 2008.8 , that s all :) Aug 13 04:04:41 I already flashed with 2008.8 few days ago :) Aug 13 04:04:52 * daMaestro downloads the 2008.8 image Aug 13 04:05:06 * daMaestro can't believe he already had a battery crap out on him Aug 13 04:06:11 feydreva: the reason I heard for no binaries is that official releases of updates need to be tested hard, and 2008.8 is too new to do it quickly and still develop/improve Aug 13 04:06:48 ok :) Aug 13 04:07:09 Good with me :) i was just hoping to see new things :) Aug 13 04:07:25 my GPS still barely works, that s sucks... Aug 13 04:07:43 even witht he new kernel, no SD, no SIM, nowifi enable Aug 13 04:08:20 adingman, FYI, finally got networking going by running linuxxr's script and placing external actual DNS address into resolv.conf Aug 13 04:08:39 cool Aug 13 04:08:54 booya rooly time Aug 13 04:09:11 didn't see the script, but linuxxr seemed to understand the problem, so it makes sense that it works. Aug 13 04:09:13 feydreva: enable wifi under Settings Aug 13 04:09:43 adingman, you said you have 2008.8 + updates. To get to same level do I just just opkg update && opkg ugrade ? or the 2008.8 installer UI ? Aug 13 04:09:51 Infoport, I m talking wabout the GPS that doesn;t work a lot :/ my wifi is fine :) Aug 13 04:11:27 cheap GPS antenna, boosts for me ~20 "points" $8.31 no S&H http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8859 Aug 13 04:11:54 (dbm? however the gain is measured) Aug 13 04:12:03 how ever is it measured Aug 13 04:12:37 blah, cant type well, must eat Aug 13 04:12:51 hipitihop, 2008.8ish build, really Aug 13 04:12:53 i think its a temp fix but not the solution Aug 13 04:13:34 that script came from Aug 13 04:13:41 i cant remember Aug 13 04:14:21 hipitihop, openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 plus opkg upgrade daily since. Aug 13 04:20:29 adingman, hmm that's not the same as the stock 2008.8 http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8-gta02-20080808.rootfs.jffs2 Aug 13 04:22:09 hipitihop what youe phone desktop look like? Aug 13 04:26:57 linuxxr: is he running deb? Aug 13 04:27:52 hipitihop, I think adingman is running yet another Distribution, the qtopia one http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions Aug 13 04:28:03 who? Aug 13 04:28:07 me Aug 13 04:28:09 no Aug 13 04:28:13 hipitihop: Aug 13 04:28:20 ubuntu Aug 13 04:28:30 no shiznit? Aug 13 04:31:34 i guess its close to debian Aug 13 04:31:45 but not very Aug 13 04:32:03 thats like saying suse is slackware Aug 13 04:33:44 c'mon...ubuntu can't hide its debian roots...but suse? Aug 13 04:34:08 one could never guess suse has slackware roots Aug 13 04:34:56 binary distros all suck Aug 13 04:35:03 binary-based* Aug 13 04:35:25 i thinks slack is THE ROOT Aug 13 04:35:31 LOL Aug 13 04:35:42 the root is on fire Aug 13 04:35:47 ROFL Aug 13 04:35:53 that cant be Aug 13 04:36:46 we don't need no compiler, let the mothafucka....hmmm...looking for a clever twist here Aug 13 04:37:03 LOL Aug 13 04:37:48 something about dependency hell...but one word and rhymes with "burn" Aug 13 04:39:52 undrwater: churn? Aug 13 04:40:01 hahaha Aug 13 04:40:05 omg wowzers Aug 13 04:40:16 i was thinking churn... Aug 13 04:40:17 sexy eye candy polish with the 2008.8 release Aug 13 04:40:28 but somehow doesn't quite make it... Aug 13 04:41:36 for the next verse, maybe rhyme with Slurm (soft drink from Futurama...geeky enough reference or not?) Aug 13 04:42:02 maybe too much of a stretch Aug 13 04:43:02 works for me Aug 13 04:48:29 we don't need no water use some muthafukin slurm? Aug 13 04:49:45 queen juice? Aug 13 04:49:50 heh heh ;) Aug 13 04:50:04 undrwater, sorry here now. Aug 13 04:50:54 Infoport: might not be 2008.8, but it's not QTopia. I'ved tried that one, but this isn't it. Aug 13 04:51:13 hipitihop: just awed at your ubuntu neo Aug 13 04:51:19 neubuntu? Aug 13 04:51:30 nebuntu Aug 13 04:51:41 ombuntu Aug 13 04:51:48 ficbuntu Aug 13 04:52:02 nah. freebuntu Aug 13 04:52:03 ubuntom Aug 13 04:52:03 :-D Aug 13 04:52:10 why awed ? Aug 13 04:52:31 i guess 'cause it's different from what everyone else is struggling with Aug 13 04:52:35 that was a polite word Aug 13 04:52:48 undrwater: the only thing i struggle with is battery Aug 13 04:53:10 Guilt: and the other phone you're making calls with ;) Aug 13 04:53:18 it's like those lg phones out there do 30 hours on a 800mah, and we do like 7 hours with a 1200 mah Aug 13 04:53:24 ubuntu neo? Aug 13 04:53:41 something is WRONG with us. :-) Aug 13 04:54:16 hipitihop: what WM? Aug 13 04:54:17 if only fic were open about what the issue is. Aug 13 04:54:30 is it fic or OM? Aug 13 04:54:38 fic. they make the phone Aug 13 04:54:46 ;p and OM, coz they market and sell it. Aug 13 04:55:16 but OM (and community) devel the software that controls it... Aug 13 04:55:18 if there was a defect (capacitor/what not) we could at least fix it. Aug 13 04:55:34 it's not just the software, undrwater ... Aug 13 04:55:35 undrwater, you mean window manager ? if so GNOME Aug 13 04:55:41 it could be worse Aug 13 04:56:02 you can't fix everything with software. Aug 13 04:56:06 that's a kludge Aug 13 04:56:09 hipitihop: yeah...wow...how does it run? Aug 13 04:56:20 Guilt: i suppose...that's beyond my ken Aug 13 04:56:29 we have a kludgy kernel for gps, for instance :-) Aug 13 04:56:52 that doesnt mean people cant go ahead and solder/fix their mokos Aug 13 04:56:53 undrwater, do you think I'm running it on the neo ? Aug 13 04:58:18 hipitihop: that was the impression i got, yes Aug 13 04:58:28 it will ride up with wear Aug 13 04:59:24 how doe s i umount the sd card? Aug 13 04:59:32 im a linux noob Aug 13 04:59:45 undrwater, sorry to pop your bubble. Ubuntu desktop/laptop Aug 13 04:59:48 linuxxr: umount /media/card Aug 13 05:00:34 device is busy Aug 13 05:00:52 linuxxr: i think you can try umount -l Aug 13 05:00:59 ok Aug 13 05:01:39 does the tag "GTK" cause apps to be placed under Applications? (OM2007) Aug 13 05:01:41 im such a newb Aug 13 05:05:39 linuxxr, undrwater : umount -l has dome distinct dangers! Aug 13 05:06:32 linuxxr: if you are *in* the directory, it will be "busy" even if you are not doing anything (like if your ssh command line is sitting there) Aug 13 05:06:45 it doesn't close existing, open file handles, so it's still not safe to remove the storage device or do things like fsck to it. Aug 13 05:06:59 use fuser -m to find the processes using the filesystem. Aug 13 05:07:18 And Inforport is right to look at your current working dir - it's an easy mistake to make. Aug 13 05:07:29 bling Aug 13 05:07:45 * dingman wonders why he typed that username Aug 13 05:08:12 yeah, I learn from my mistakes :-D Aug 13 05:08:19 it always says its busy Aug 13 05:08:19 dingman: thanks for correcting me...i've used -l without problems before...but i can see why you don't recommend it Aug 13 05:08:32 its a new 2gig card Aug 13 05:08:58 undrwater, I pretty much only think it's a good idea if you've got a stale mount to a network file system where the server disappeared. Aug 13 05:09:01 so the better switch is? Aug 13 05:09:21 linuxxr, not a switch to umount. Aug 13 05:09:40 use the 'fuser' tool to find out why the filesystem is busy, and make it not busy anymore. Aug 13 05:10:12 linuxxr: or double check that one of your logins is not actively "in" the directory Aug 13 05:10:13 fuser -m /mount/point/ Aug 13 05:11:12 that will tell you which processes are using the filesystem. Then you can either quit those programs or make them stop using the files in question. Aug 13 05:11:23 i get a bunch of 4 didget numbers an such Aug 13 05:11:53 does anybody know which tags make Contacts (OM2007) show up in Applications menu? Aug 13 05:11:56 40 sets Aug 13 05:12:03 that they're all 4-digit is coincidence, but they are process IDs Aug 13 05:12:22 how do i kill Aug 13 05:17:50 linuxxr: what do you want to kill? Aug 13 05:18:39 ding sain to kill those p processes Aug 13 05:21:25 im trying to put 2008.8 on the sdcard but it wont fdisk Aug 13 05:21:48 operator malfunction Aug 13 05:22:08 hi ah has one dropped their stylus ... i did and its not working (the led / laser) Aug 13 05:22:12 is it just the screen ? Aug 13 05:22:29 * - spring Aug 13 05:22:59 either lights work? Aug 13 05:23:06 nar Aug 13 05:23:13 i tore mine open weeks ago and now just use the bottom half Aug 13 05:23:26 dbmoodb, I never dropped it but took looked inside at the batteries and could not get it to work again until cleaned and reseated the batteries Aug 13 05:23:27 kd8ikt: ?? tore ? Aug 13 05:23:38 You could add a -k to kill all the processes it finds, but it might kill something you didn't mean to Aug 13 05:23:38 excellent chance that you'll log yourself out. Aug 13 05:23:40 ok thank you Aug 13 05:23:45 yeah the lil circuit module is around here somewhere Aug 13 05:24:13 for p in $(fuser -m /home/ 2>/dev/null | sed -r -e 's/[^0-9 ]//g' -e 's/[[:space:]]+/ /g') ; do readlink /proc/$p/exe ; done Aug 13 05:28:57 dbmoodb here is a similar replacement $3.79 no S&H http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.849 and they also sell a GSP fpr $8.31 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8859 Aug 13 05:29:44 I bought the GPS antenna (but not the cheap stylus) Aug 13 05:30:29 a GPS *antenna* for $8.31 (a GPS for $8.31 is a map "You are here X") Aug 13 05:31:16 on a tiny dot, Earth seen from space Aug 13 05:32:14 sorry if this has been asked before, are there any updates for 2008.8 do I need to update feeds or sources ? Aug 13 05:34:15 did u have to unmount your sdcard first? Aug 13 05:35:09 the wiki says nothing about that Aug 13 05:38:55 linuxxr, I would *expect* fdisk to work without errors on a mounted device, but odd things might happen later. Aug 13 05:39:22 a slightly smarter fdisk might just refuse Aug 13 05:42:18 dingman, mine worked until 'w' and then failed. someone told me to reboot the neo and that seemed to work but can't remember the exact steps ;-( Aug 13 05:43:03 fdisk: WARNING: rereading partition table failed, kernel still uses old table: Device or resource busy Aug 13 05:44:18 might be qtopia Aug 13 05:44:38 linuxxr, yip that's the error I got an dI did my sd prep from qtopia like you Aug 13 05:45:08 so how to get around it? Aug 13 05:45:33 i rebooted the freerunner Aug 13 05:48:09 linuxxr, that's basically a noise error Aug 13 05:48:23 also says that the partitions are defined Aug 13 05:48:25 there's a command 'partprobe' that's every bit as good as a reboot. Aug 13 05:48:41 and way faster Aug 13 05:50:12 Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 2013 MB, 2013265920 bytes Aug 13 05:50:12 16 heads, 15 sectors/track, 16384 cylinders Aug 13 05:50:12 Units = cylinders of 240 * 512 = 122880 bytes Aug 13 05:50:12 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System Aug 13 05:50:12 /dev/mmcblk0p1 1 66 7912+ 83 Linux Aug 13 05:50:13 /dev/mmcblk0p2 67 983 110040 83 Linux Aug 13 05:50:17 o nos Aug 13 05:50:18 is the card being automounted at boot? Aug 13 05:50:39 that looks good ? Aug 13 05:50:47 prolly Aug 13 05:50:57 qtopia Aug 13 05:51:21 can someone test http://rusher.webhop.org/ for me ? Aug 13 05:51:43 linuxxr, mine automounts the first partition at boot Aug 13 05:53:22 Torikun1: dyndns :P Aug 13 05:53:25 lol Aug 13 05:53:27 does it come up Aug 13 05:53:30 they dont support ipv6 Aug 13 05:53:36 no Aug 13 05:53:42 ty Aug 13 05:53:43 Torikun1, slow spin. Aug 13 05:53:54 is your ip 69.42.18.131 Aug 13 05:54:50 PING rusher.webhop.org (69.42.18.131) 100% pkt loss Aug 13 05:54:56 Torikun1, can't get through. You might find this usefull http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com Aug 13 05:55:56 dam Aug 13 05:56:11 anyone know how to make wordpress go to port 69 Aug 13 05:57:04 i use a mix of freedns.afraid.org /hurricane eletric ipv6 broker Aug 13 05:57:27 loove ipv6 Aug 13 06:00:13 are there any update feeds or procedure for 2008.8 opkg update && opkg upgrade does nothing Aug 13 06:01:51 hipitihop: there are no updates yet Aug 13 06:04:39 dingman, so your stack is some mystery combo which is not the qtopia and not 2008.8 because you said you have been doing updates Aug 13 06:05:28 openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 from buildhost on the 11th Aug 13 06:06:25 not the distro identified as QTopia on the wiki, which one can download from Troll Tech. Aug 13 06:06:26 dingman, you have run the pure qtopia ? Aug 13 06:06:35 yes Aug 13 06:06:42 fso ? Aug 13 06:06:52 heh, wrote an application in pygtk... uses 9.3mb of ram... ported it to gtk in c, uses 4.7mb ... Aug 13 06:06:56 that's a scary difference Aug 13 06:07:18 fso is neat but mokomake is failing to fetch openembedded/packages/freesmartphone/illume-theme-freesmartphone_git.bb Aug 13 06:07:37 hipitihop, it's simillar to FSO in appearance Aug 13 06:07:38 nice ieatlint Aug 13 06:07:51 but has the qtopia apps ? Aug 13 06:08:05 iow, running qtopia on x11 Aug 13 06:08:27 yes. That's what the -qtopia-x11 in the image name means :) Aug 13 06:08:38 doh Aug 13 06:08:53 call in and out ? Aug 13 06:09:00 yes Aug 13 06:09:06 fso has a localisation issue though, which i suppose is pretty funny considering it's written by germans Aug 13 06:09:13 no utf-8 support... Aug 13 06:09:33 dingman, have you run the 2008.8 also ? Aug 13 06:09:58 probably why i'm still sitting here on OM2007.2 Aug 13 06:10:05 no, but I ran the builds the wiki used to identify as pre-2008.8 Aug 13 06:10:31 and the descriptions people give of the immages, keyboard, apps, etc match what I see on my phone. Aug 13 06:10:54 so I think it's part of the same general development direction.. Aug 13 06:11:24 dingman, but improved in some ways like battery Aug 13 06:11:31 seems to be Aug 13 06:20:11 ok that was weird it wokeup from me touching the screen Aug 13 06:24:16 so what is the trick to get wireless going on 2008.8 ? I added 'wireless_ssid=' and 'wireless_key' to wlan0 section in neo interfaces and restarted service but get errors no such device Aug 13 06:25:42 hmm, probably need to add it to eth0 Aug 13 06:26:15 most likely Aug 13 06:26:25 I used wpasuplicant Aug 13 06:26:33 which can do wep, too Aug 13 06:27:24 dingman, is there a link to seting up wpasuplicant Aug 13 06:27:46 under the manual wireless stuff Aug 13 06:28:05 but you might need the wpasuplicant man page to find the directions for a WEP network. Aug 13 06:28:15 I think the wiki just tells you how to use it for WPA Aug 13 06:28:52 is wpasuplicant needed for it to work ? Aug 13 06:32:17 anybody know which tags would be making Contacts, Dates, Dialer show up in the Applications menu in OM2007 Aug 13 06:41:21 hmm... or can we NOT move the default stock apps in the menues? Aug 13 06:41:25 menus Aug 13 06:43:40 hipitihop, shouldn't *need* wpasupplicant, just that method is closest to what worked for me. Aug 13 06:52:52 lpotter mentions the sync agent for syncing QT with outlook (never!)...wanted to test it...but can't find it...anyone have any clues? Aug 13 06:57:00 * hipitihop gets wifi going on 2008.8, claps himself Aug 13 06:58:00 I'd go to the doctor if you gave yourself the clap Aug 13 06:58:10 lol Aug 13 06:59:09 hmm, is it normal for the installer on 2008.8 to sit forever on 'installing' after download ? Aug 13 06:59:40 ignore that, I'm not patient enough Aug 13 07:13:55 hipitihop: I might have to get your advice...I just quit messing with my 2008.8 wifi after trying to enter the pw sooo many times Aug 13 07:14:33 Infoport, happy to help whatever I can, hardly an expert though Aug 13 07:15:12 Infoport, are you using wep ? Aug 13 07:15:38 hipitihop: did you do your setup in wpasupplicant.conf, with wpa2? Aug 13 07:15:51 hipitihop, no I've been using wpa2 Aug 13 07:16:52 hipitihop: it somewhat worked once in OM2007, but maybe usb0/default route were interfering other times? Aug 13 07:17:10 Infoport, no I didn't I simply added wireless_ssid & wireless_key under eth0 then ifup eth0 Aug 13 07:17:41 hipitihop: did you do anything to take down usb0? Aug 13 07:18:35 yes did ifdown usb0, had to manually update resolv.conf after eth0 came up to get to my nameserver Aug 13 07:19:28 hipitihop: oh well, I'll try more later...that is good to know about usb0 etc... Aug 13 07:19:51 I think I'm going to see it the city lights keep me from making out constellations with orrery Aug 13 07:20:28 Infoport, I'm now going to prep another SD and try dignman jffs2 Aug 13 07:20:52 good morning Aug 13 07:22:38 hipitihop: cool! I think at some point I am going to prep my other SD card for qtopia and SHR (when released) Aug 13 07:24:02 Infoport, have qtopia flashed Aug 13 07:26:45 sweet... Aug 13 07:41:48 cross compiling is thoroughly annoying Aug 13 07:49:30 indeed Aug 13 07:49:46 especially with autoconf stuff Aug 13 07:53:41 having problems ieatlint Aug 13 07:53:55 nah, i got it working Aug 13 08:01:06 kd8ikt, you bored? Aug 13 08:06:40 How do I create a src .ipk, I am able to create ipk for binary and doc only. Aug 13 08:08:29 well, none of the distros come with gcc and header files... Aug 13 08:08:46 so what would you do with a src ipk? Aug 13 08:21:07 a lil bit Aug 13 08:24:44 dunno what to do so i'm ending up doing nothing Aug 13 08:26:15 is it just me or does kismet not know the difference between wep and wpa Aug 13 08:40:40 How is the stability of the Neo Freerunner after installing ASU? Aug 13 08:40:51 Will it still crash from time to time? Aug 13 08:42:01 I am running ASU and can't get wifi running. Should run by default? In the settings menu the WiFi status is 'unknown', even when disconnected from usb. Aug 13 08:43:21 I have flashed Qtopia runing fine, just completed a 'pkg update' and 'opkg upgrade' lots of ugrades etc, anything I should know or do before I reboot the FR ? Aug 13 08:46:07 freesmartphone.org: 03heikki.paajanen 07gsmd2 * rf7d44f207602 10/ (13 files in 4 dirs): Started updating FSO APIs Aug 13 08:49:39 KenSentMe, it works for me after tweaking the interfaces configuration and supplying a wpa_supplicant.conf file Aug 13 08:50:42 hari, but it doesnt work with the usb connected, right? Aug 13 08:50:51 it does Aug 13 08:51:05 but i was not able to set up wifi from the settings screen on 2008.8 Aug 13 08:51:12 ah, ok Aug 13 08:58:22 hari, which interface did you use in /etc/network/interfaces? Aug 13 08:58:37 eth0 Aug 13 09:02:13 mokomoko Aug 13 09:05:48 A lesson in what *not* to do, run opkg update && opkg upgrade on the qtopia image. Boots to blank screen with blinking cursor. Can ssh into it but that's it Aug 13 09:08:17 is my update/upgrade of interest to anyone before I blow away the cli log Aug 13 09:12:36 does someone have a link to build host where I can download same jffs as dingman ? Aug 13 09:14:42 dingman, still there ? Aug 13 09:20:06 mmontour, Dave Infoport the script it's finished and working as i intended. wanna test? Aug 13 09:27:50 cga: hey just came back to PC. sure! tell me where it is Aug 13 09:28:24 cga: might i inquire what kind of script you mean? Aug 13 09:29:09 hi Infoport Zorkman . Zorkman script to backup neos' rootfs uboot kernel ad such Aug 13 09:29:59 nice sure i want to try (if the instructions are noob-proof ;)) Aug 13 09:30:25 Zorkman, they are :P Aug 13 09:30:41 well then, "bring it on" :) Aug 13 09:31:04 but i will need to boot into os from SD probably, no? Aug 13 09:31:20 here it is: http://pastey.net/93678 (when tested i'll upload on wiki) Aug 13 09:31:31 Zorkman, boot in either NOR or NAND Aug 13 09:31:49 it uses dfu-util Aug 13 09:31:55 ok, i will, but currently i'm working with solidworks so i need to be on windows Aug 13 09:32:09 will try when i boot to linux (hopefully one of these days :() Aug 13 09:32:11 well, test it when you are ready Aug 13 09:32:18 it works 100% sure Aug 13 09:32:27 i will, it looks great! Aug 13 09:32:28 i just want to make sure with others Aug 13 09:32:47 cga: "finished" is just a lazy state of mind ;-) I've thought of optional switches... (like -k for kernel -r for rootfs, -u uboot, default all) Aug 13 09:33:02 eh eh Aug 13 09:33:25 well let's say that i'm happy about it since its exactely as i tought it :P Aug 13 09:35:43 cga: I *do *NOT* mean to belittle it-- I just see opportunities to make it better than using the single backup full-line commands for even ONE section (like if you have only changed rootfs) Aug 13 09:36:03 true =) Aug 13 09:36:09 i like the idea Aug 13 09:36:34 cga: it looks perfect to me (gotta read before I run), although I thought you wanted "other" to say something like Beware, or Do Not Touch? Aug 13 09:36:39 but now i need to work... (i'm at the office and i haven't done nothign yet... i finished the script with a collegue) Aug 13 09:36:51 Infoport, done =) Aug 13 09:37:03 i'm refinig that kind of things right now Aug 13 09:37:40 cga: or maybe, :your mouse is gonna HATE you..." :-P Aug 13 09:37:47 lol Aug 13 09:38:03 anyone know which uImage.bin I need for latest buildhost rootfs ? Aug 13 09:38:50 I want to setup this one http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080813/openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.tar.gz Aug 13 09:38:52 ok see you later folks... time to work Aug 13 09:39:06 bye Aug 13 09:39:29 cga: I'll post some thoughts here, and you can read the log later... Aug 13 09:39:36 Zorkman, what are you running at the moment on your FR ? Aug 13 09:39:42 2007.2 Aug 13 09:39:48 Infoport, ? Aug 13 09:40:42 hipitihop: currently OM2007 Aug 13 09:41:13 hipitihop: you'll probably want to use http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080812/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin Aug 13 09:41:47 Zorkman, will give it a shot Aug 13 09:41:51 thanks Aug 13 09:41:56 np Aug 13 09:44:46 I managed to trash my flashed qtopia doing opkg update/upgrade :-( so preping naother SD card for the latest builds, apparently dingman has had some joy including improved battery Aug 13 09:48:45 looks like the updates loaded some x11/zserver stuff. Just sits @ black screen with blinking cursor. But boots enough to support ssh Aug 13 09:53:09 While you are on chat LISTEN RADIO TIME http://radiotime.altervista.org/ Beautyful Music Free! We are waiting for You! Aug 13 09:53:12 While you are on chat LISTEN RADIO TIME http://radiotime.altervista.org/ Beautyful Music Free! We are waiting for You! Aug 13 09:53:51 cga, Zorkman, Dave: it seems to "just work" :-D The backups *look* to be the right size, although rootfs is still going. I guess I should mount that jffs2 file to check it too... but the script seems to work as intendedl Aug 13 09:54:25 cga, Zorkman, Dave: I'll try some while *not* in the dir for dfu-util too, etc Aug 13 09:56:04 how can i delete letters on the om2008.8 keyboard? cant find backspace Aug 13 09:56:37 niap, slide left on the keyboard Aug 13 09:57:48 ah kay Aug 13 09:58:52 * hipitihop is downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080813/openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.tar.gz Aug 13 10:01:24 and how do i disable T9? Aug 13 10:01:59 ahoi Aug 13 10:02:31 good morning Aug 13 10:02:47 hello telmich Aug 13 10:04:49 PBeck, sounds slav Aug 13 10:05:20 http://feeds.theonion.com/~r/theonion/weekly/~3/362845271/apple_pulls_1_000_iphone_app Aug 13 10:05:26 hipitihop-away: i dont know, i can say servus, too :) Aug 13 10:06:22 PBeck, don't know that one... In a previous life I was born in the Czech republic Aug 13 10:06:54 hehe :) Aug 13 10:10:27 * hipitihop-away sighs, om buildhost mus tbe pretty busy, only getting 3-5k/sec on the download Aug 13 10:12:38 hipitihop-away: over GPRS? Aug 13 10:13:17 SpeedEvil, no broadband Aug 13 10:14:12 getting about 10k/sec now Aug 13 10:15:07 need to have torrents Aug 13 10:18:37 That's the root of the problem. Aug 13 10:19:01 Someone is downloading in high definition all of the 2008 olympics womens gymnastics coverage on the server. Aug 13 10:20:50 A widely deployed p2p solution that supported archives that change over time would be lovely. Aug 13 10:30:08 SpeedEvil: like a distributed rsync? Aug 13 10:32:41 ah good news from the european court today Aug 13 10:33:39 anyone got a version of etk which builds? my fso build of org.oe.dev from monotone.oe.org fails in do_configure Aug 13 10:34:03 etk-0.1.0.042+cvs20080802 Aug 13 10:34:26 someone familiar with openssl here? Aug 13 10:34:28 how to encrypt some string with openssl and rsa key? Aug 13 10:34:30 cant find something ion the net Aug 13 10:35:47 openmoko: 03ich 07org.openmoko.dev * rbf1e964f075f 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add my sums for Pyrex Aug 13 10:35:48 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rc32d27393ff0 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for jamvm-1.5.1 Aug 13 10:35:48 openmoko: 03ich 07org.openmoko.dev * r08fad8d981c0 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add my sums for libtool Aug 13 10:35:49 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rb9ac1a9af9ef 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for midori-0.0.17 Aug 13 10:35:52 openmoko: 03ich 07org.openmoko.dev * r93f9f74b1054 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add my sums for scowl Aug 13 10:35:59 beni_: why not use gnupg? Aug 13 10:36:24 can that deal with rsa keys generated by openssl? Aug 13 10:36:42 not sure Aug 13 10:36:46 ie passing the keyfile via commandline? Aug 13 10:37:20 i need sometinhg like "encrypt -m 'teststring' -k '/path/to/pubkey' > encrypted.txt" Aug 13 10:37:58 g the keyfile via commandline? Aug 13 10:38:38 yes. Aug 13 10:38:49 thats why i dont want to use gpg Aug 13 10:40:22 Hmm - openssl 'enc' command doesn't seem to take a key, just a passphrase Aug 13 10:40:44 rwhitby: openssl enc is symmetric chipher. Aug 13 10:42:16 thing is that usually the keys are only used to negotiate a session key, not to encrypt stuff directly Aug 13 10:43:33 beni_: openssl rsautl Aug 13 10:52:44 cga, Zorkman, Dave: the rootfs is the right size-- that backup script look great! haven't *really* tested the backup files themselves, but that would be dfu-util Aug 13 10:53:12 ouch! USA loses to Nigeria 1-2 in football Aug 13 10:53:58 US team had some really good chances, and almost tied it with a late kick that bounced off the crossbar. :-( Aug 13 10:55:39 there is no almost in football :-) Aug 13 10:56:42 XorA: so how do we track down and replicate these build errors? Aug 13 10:57:03 Infoport: and germany? Where is germany? :p Aug 13 10:57:14 The first one I have is etk building fso using org.oe.dev from git.oe.org, distro angstrom-2008.1 Aug 13 10:57:18 rwhitby: no idea, I just did an aptitude update and now a bitbake openmoko-devel-image and the build seems to be progressing ok Aug 13 10:57:39 rwhitby: are you on amd64? Aug 13 10:58:00 XorA: ok, let's replicate that environment then - you're on Debian Lenny? Aug 13 10:58:05 I'm on 32-bit always Aug 13 10:58:06 although I would have thought more OE people would scream if gcc was broke on 64bit Aug 13 10:58:12 yes, Lenny Aug 13 10:58:15 Don't touch 64bit Aug 13 10:58:33 lenny/sid Aug 13 10:58:33 /etc/debian_version Aug 13 10:58:36 rwhitby: why not? :) Aug 13 10:58:38 so i musst go bye :) Aug 13 10:58:50 flash doesnt work well on 64bit so no web pr0n Aug 13 10:59:19 all builds fail on 64bit first Aug 13 10:59:44 (historically speaking) Aug 13 10:59:56 oh ok Aug 13 11:00:48 XorA: apt sources.list is lenny and lenny/updates Aug 13 11:01:01 I have main, contrib and non-free enabled Aug 13 11:01:10 deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free Aug 13 11:01:10 deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free Aug 13 11:01:10 deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free Aug 13 11:01:10 deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free Aug 13 11:01:17 exactly the same Aug 13 11:01:22 doing a dist-upgrade now Aug 13 11:01:37 * XorA gets more puzzled Aug 13 11:02:11 I'll replicate the build error with a -c rebuild after the dist-upgrade, and then we'll start comparing versions of things Aug 13 11:05:46 PBeck, I havent seen the German team, and the US coverage keeps changing to other sports with US (rowing. not my cup of tea) Aug 13 11:06:51 I hate olympic coverage so I gave up watching Aug 13 11:07:41 XorA: are you going to be around for a while? Aug 13 11:07:44 XorA, yeah I didnt even *see* the first Nigerian goal :-( They say full games on HD, but I dont have that Aug 13 11:08:02 rwhitby: Ill take 30 mins for lunch soon, but its onlu 12:07 here :-) Aug 13 11:08:33 looks like it's going to rebuild a kernel, so I'll let it go while you have lunch and be ready for after that Aug 13 11:08:35 I like stuff like the greko roman wrestling but becuase no british people do it, channels in UK wont show it Aug 13 11:09:21 XorA: automake 1.10.1 ? Aug 13 11:10:23 cga: one more suggestion-- since you are grabbing the device codes, give an error if no OM devices are found (like as in no devices, or only non-OM, can initialize a variable and then set if any devices found, fail if not set) Perhaps tell ppl to boot to NAND and give a link Aug 13 11:10:36 ii automake 1:1.10.1-3 Aug 13 11:10:49 cga: oh, and of course, exit, with any non-zero code Aug 13 11:12:18 rwhitby: http://www.xora.org.uk/~dp/versions.txt Aug 13 11:12:22 rwhitby: thats my dpkg -l Aug 13 11:12:36 rwhitby: quicker than checking each individually Aug 13 11:13:12 XorA: now I get: fatal: failed to unpack tree object cb3cc53a76c7f1f7c827d048db7a849e77071515 Aug 13 11:14:10 rwhitby: that seems to be a bug in the git fetcher, re-running normally clears it Aug 13 11:14:28 I cant find that rev in sane-srcrevs Aug 13 11:14:30 the build systems is way more brittle than usual. that's after re-running it. now trying to remove git sources Aug 13 11:16:01 ok, I was running moko-autorev and fso-autorev - Aug 13 11:16:06 taking them out now Aug 13 11:16:42 hepl please. i compiled my application with the toolchain. it didn't give any errors just one warning about usage of rand. i was even able to package my application and install it on the freerunner. but now the the app doesn't load. what could be wrong? Aug 13 11:16:44 rwhitby: when doing autorev you need to touch conf/local.conf every build otherwise things go wrong Aug 13 11:17:13 XorA: ok, let's try and get sane-srcrevs building all images then ... Aug 13 11:17:37 I updated the srcrevs for openmoko-devel-image so it should build through Aug 13 11:17:46 contrary to what emails claimed about no updates :-D Aug 13 11:18:54 hepl please. i compiled my application with the toolchain. it didn't give any errors just one warning about usage of rand. i was even able to package my application and install it on the freerunner. but now the the app doesn't load. what could be wrong? Aug 13 11:21:34 XorA: I'm now attempting builds of fso from OE and asu.testing from OM Aug 13 11:21:54 rwhitby: hmm, I am building openmoko.dev Aug 13 11:22:25 has it synced from asu.testing? Aug 13 11:22:32 rwhitby: not yet Aug 13 11:22:39 if not, then it doesn't represent any released images right :-) Aug 13 11:22:55 rwhitby: it never will represent them, as OE moved on since the fork Aug 13 11:22:55 so no point in getting it to build for end users ... Aug 13 11:23:09 rwhitby: but I am working towards my next milestone Aug 13 11:23:17 nod Aug 13 11:23:37 got 4 cores here, I can start an ASU build as well Aug 13 11:23:43 who is getting asu.testing to build on buildhost? Aug 13 11:24:03 (did that decision get made yesterday?) Aug 13 11:26:12 rwhitby: Im waiting for head of distro team to send out the email announcements Aug 13 11:26:41 ok Aug 13 11:26:44 cga`work: another suggestion-- if HEX not in the two correct codes, then they didn't choose an OM; this will also trap for cases if they accidentally hit a 4 b/c it is above the 1 on keypad Aug 13 11:27:31 cga`work: I thought of the empty set by forgetting to boot to NAND :rolleyes: and tested that it allows numbers too high Aug 13 11:29:28 time to go buy food Aug 13 11:37:58 'messages' stopped working on 2007.2. i open it and it closes it immediately. when that happens this line appears in x.log: Aug 13 11:38:07 (openmoko-messages:5108): Gtk-WARNING **: gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width -11 and height -11 Aug 13 11:39:07 looks like somebody filed a bug report 4 days ago Aug 13 11:40:57 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r682c1b010b23 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [illume-config] For Design issue. Aug 13 11:51:09 looks like a new qtopia is out to fix wifi problems Aug 13 11:52:42 trix: does it suspend/resume reliably ? Aug 13 11:52:57 not sure. i'm about to flash it Aug 13 11:53:16 trix: please keep me updated Aug 13 12:13:55 backing up the current images before i overwrite everything..i'll let you know Aug 13 12:18:21 * XorA listens to the harddisk thrash Aug 13 12:22:20 Hi ... Aug 13 12:22:41 mmm ... you can't get the Neo from the openmoko site anymore? Aug 13 12:24:32 we dont make the neo anymore Aug 13 12:24:42 :-[ Aug 13 12:24:49 whats wrong with the freerunner? Aug 13 12:25:20 XorA, aroujo: technically OM doesn't make the Neo *1973*, right? They still sell the Neo Freerunner Aug 13 12:25:31 XorA: the freerunner has NEO printed on the front of it Aug 13 12:25:32 mmm... Aug 13 12:26:56 us.direct.openmoko.com says the Neo Freerunner is due back in stock July 25th (running behind?) Aug 13 12:27:04 Infoport, yeah Aug 13 12:27:08 That's what I mean Aug 13 12:27:27 Infoport, But I can't access the Store panel from openmoko.org ... Aug 13 12:27:42 won't they be re-distributing more neo? Aug 13 12:27:52 aruajo look to openmoko.COM Aug 13 12:28:09 Infoport, I am there ... Aug 13 12:28:17 openmoko.org is the comunnity site, openmoko.com is the company site Aug 13 12:28:55 Infoport, I can't find the page to order the neo from there ... but instead a list of re-sellers Aug 13 12:29:41 I've just hit the illume-theme-freesmartphone build problem too on the fso build Aug 13 12:30:12 shout at FSO guys Aug 13 12:30:30 araujo: gp2xstore incredibly seems to be selling the Openmoko Neo 1973 still, but it is the previous version-- most now want the new one Aug 13 12:30:52 Infoport, no, Neo FreeRunner is ok Aug 13 12:30:54 XorA: trying fso-autorev first, without moko-autorev. Aug 13 12:30:56 hi. what rootfs do you advice me to flash? Aug 13 12:31:36 admiral0: depens on what u plan to do with the phone! :) Aug 13 12:31:40 XorA: my git.om.org builds are going to take a while it's doing gcc rebuilds for some reason Aug 13 12:31:57 (probably overnight on my single-core machine) Aug 13 12:32:02 make clean? Aug 13 12:32:03 trupheenix: have fun! ^^. Aug 13 12:32:16 araujo, just click through by region, and by country, and then the list of distributor IS where to buy (one of them is Openmoko in the US, dist in Canada, and a dist in US with the Neo 1973) Aug 13 12:32:37 Infoport, ok, thanks, doing that , the us site is very slow here Aug 13 12:33:23 araujo BUT it looks like OM direct in US is currently sold out, so you may have to wait, or order from elsewhere (Canada?) Aug 13 12:33:41 araujo: are you in US? Aug 13 12:34:12 aah yeah , this is the site Aug 13 12:34:16 Infoport, no, south-america Aug 13 12:34:28 sold out yet Aug 13 12:34:30 :-P Aug 13 12:35:32 araujo: do you know what Mhz bands are used there? is it 850/1800/1900 or 900/1800/1900 ? Aug 13 12:36:02 admiral0: define fun Aug 13 12:36:02 850/900 Aug 13 12:37:08 admiral0: define fun Aug 13 12:38:01 araujo: those two, or all four? I'm not really sure which is your best choice...I'd make sure first what has best coverage, or else choose by which places you might visit most Aug 13 12:39:39 araujo: which country uses 850/900? Aug 13 12:39:49 rwhitby, .ve Aug 13 12:40:03 trupheenix: i don't need gsm capabilities. Just a functioning terminal and various frameworks available Aug 13 12:41:24 araujo: http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_ve.shtml <- wow, that's the first country I've seen that uses 850 and 900 in the same country. Aug 13 12:41:32 admiral0: then use Openmoko linux. it's the best Aug 13 12:41:44 rwhitby, really? :-P Aug 13 12:41:47 I'm afraid you need a quad-band phone, and Openmoko doesn't make one, if you want to use both those carriers. Aug 13 12:41:56 trupheenix: image? Aug 13 12:42:05 rwhitby, no, I only would use one Aug 13 12:42:06 admiral0: well isn't it on ur phone already? Aug 13 12:42:07 araujo: really. USA uses 850, Europe uses 900. Aug 13 12:42:16 (as a generalisation) Aug 13 12:42:20 rwhitby, ooh... interesting :-P Aug 13 12:42:27 admiral0: just do an opkg upgrade and u should have the latest image Aug 13 12:43:11 araujo: do those two carriers operate in the same physical locations? Aug 13 12:43:19 rwhitby, yeah Aug 13 12:43:54 araujo: do they roam on each other's network? Aug 13 12:44:41 rwhitby, yeah, something like that ... calling between different network is kind of expensive Aug 13 12:45:17 looks like you need a true quad-band phone for .ve then Aug 13 12:45:55 rwhitby, I am not so sure about it, but now you ask, I will find that out Aug 13 12:46:49 * rwhitby stores .ve away in his mind as one of those "special" contries, like Catham Island with it's GMT+12:45 timezone ... Aug 13 12:50:24 trupheenix: and if i try OM2008.08? Aug 13 12:50:41 admiral0: why not :) Aug 13 12:50:47 admiral0: it's funky Aug 13 12:51:26 admiral0: the most functional image out there is from Qtopia. it actually lets u use the freerunner Aug 13 12:51:59 trupheenix: the question is ... which one Aug 13 12:52:35 admiral0: i would go for OM2008.08 :) Aug 13 12:55:38 is openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk--20080812-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 ok? Aug 13 13:04:48 rwhitby: Im as far as glibc compiling now Aug 13 13:06:25 XorA: I'm going to change MokoMakefile to check out the different branches into different directories, and to build different images in different directories based on those checkouts. Aug 13 13:06:32 i have borked me moko Aug 13 13:06:44 rwhitby: you got cross branch polution? Aug 13 13:06:58 moko does stay powered on for more than a few seconds Aug 13 13:07:03 anyone heard of this ? Aug 13 13:07:20 XorA: can't guarantee that I don't Aug 13 13:07:27 ritz: ASU is set to suspend after 5 secs Aug 13 13:07:39 ouch Aug 13 13:07:48 ritz: is this what you see? Aug 13 13:07:52 yes Aug 13 13:08:01 ritz: use Settings and change the time Aug 13 13:08:38 XorA: i was trying to flash to qt Aug 13 13:08:44 after asu refused to boot up Aug 13 13:09:02 and then inevitable followed Aug 13 13:09:28 trupheenix:thank you Aug 13 13:09:44 2008.08 rocks Aug 13 13:12:15 lpotter: is there a tar.gz file to easily boot qtopia from sd? Aug 13 13:12:54 is it possible to watch CNN live video on Ubuntu? Says it need Windows media player for Windows but not for Max, no mention of Linux... Aug 13 13:13:11 s/Max/Mac Aug 13 13:13:24 gatestone: ot, but mplayer or vlc should play anything Aug 13 13:13:46 mickey|zzZZzz: fso-autorev.inc, pygsm does not exist, so should be removed Aug 13 13:14:39 zash, so how to set up Cnn.com Live video? Aug 13 13:15:21 gatestone: iduno Aug 13 13:15:55 gatestone: try installing the mplayer-plugin for firefox Aug 13 13:16:22 gatestone: mozilla-mplayer Aug 13 13:16:34 that normally works where mediaplayer is needed Aug 13 13:16:46 but not always Aug 13 13:16:46 unless they use cursed javascript to check for the activeX control Aug 13 13:17:06 XorA: or js that checks for quicktime Aug 13 13:17:15 *ahem* apple *ahem* Aug 13 13:17:47 * XorA does nasty things to apple with a reamer Aug 13 13:17:53 * zash built a greasemonkey-script that replaces apples checks with "return true" Aug 13 13:18:01 mickey|zzZZzz: same for pyneog Aug 13 13:18:52 zash, did not help still, same: "STREAM ERROR: Stream cannot be reached." Aug 13 13:19:00 gatestone: bah Aug 13 13:19:24 gatestone: iduno, it works on tv4.se Aug 13 13:20:52 gatestone: you could try the thing that always work Aug 13 13:21:08 gatestone: digg out the url to the video and play it in mplayer from commandline Aug 13 13:21:36 gatestone: something that often messes up things is that they dont refer to the actual video, but to playlist-files Aug 13 13:29:26 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r0551f87c421a 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (input-helpers.c input-helpers.vapi input.plugin input.vala): Aug 13 13:29:26 freesmartphone.org: 1.) Add reportheld keyfile TODO: actually use it Aug 13 13:29:26 freesmartphone.org: 2.) Detect key press Aug 13 13:29:26 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rb7c2cad424ca 10/odeviced/src/plugins/idlenotifier/ (3 files): pass IOChannel to start_timers Aug 13 13:29:29 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r01fa02540f52 10/odeviced/etc/odeviced.conf: Enable idlenotifier on startup Aug 13 13:29:32 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * ra3192a70eacb 10/opimd/ (8 files): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:openmoko-gsoc2008 Aug 13 13:31:13 Hello rwhitby :) Aug 13 13:32:18 G'day Dave Aug 13 13:32:50 * rwhitby writes yet another list email about the daily-feed Om2008.08 confusion, and continues to wait for XorA's boss to decide to fix it. Aug 13 13:40:15 anyone here who could test a zhone patch? Aug 13 13:41:09 quickdev: sorry, still trying to get zhone to work on my GTA01 Aug 13 13:41:27 hi Dave Aug 13 13:41:31 (my GTA02 is deciding to refuse to boot today) Aug 13 13:41:34 rwhitby, what's your problem on gta01? Aug 13 13:41:46 rwhitby: ditto here :( Aug 13 13:41:54 quickdev: fso boots fine, but then doesn't seem to accept any touchscreen input Aug 13 13:42:13 ritz: ditto on GTA01 or GTA02? Aug 13 13:42:14 rwhitby, do you know if there's already a ticket? Aug 13 13:42:20 GTA02v5 Aug 13 13:42:42 quickdev: I wasn't sure yet whether it was expected to work on GTA01 Aug 13 13:42:44 rwhitby, right kernel installed? Aug 13 13:42:47 yep Aug 13 13:42:55 it switches it self off after 5sec, while i am in boot menu Aug 13 13:44:42 quickdev: I've been trying to get fso to build for gta01, so I could start to debug the problem ... Aug 13 13:45:24 Looks like the secret to that is to include fso-autorev, but *not* include moko-autorev. Aug 13 13:45:57 rwhitby, the kernel works with a different root fs image? Aug 13 13:46:19 quickdev: good question, haven't tried that. Aug 13 13:46:27 Z :) Aug 13 13:46:55 will try that tomorrow, it's getting late here. Aug 13 13:47:05 rwhitby, which kernel did you choose? Aug 13 13:47:25 xora has a boss? :P Aug 13 13:47:33 quickdev: I used the milestone2 kernel and rootfs, and I also tried a recent one I built myself. Aug 13 13:47:44 rwhitby, where did you get it? Aug 13 13:48:07 quickdev: http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ Aug 13 13:48:29 specifically, http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/uImage-2.6.24+gitr0+7a1370a816b9348dd8f36a667905dd3533cefc9b-r4-om-gta01.bin and http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080730-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 Aug 13 13:48:38 fso! Aug 13 13:49:19 Dave: apparently XorA's boss is supposed to announce something about buildhost and feeds soon ... Aug 13 13:49:33 hi Davee Aug 13 13:50:00 * rwhitby wonders if DocScrutinizer is XorA's boss ... Aug 13 13:50:32 rwhitby: I'm nobody's boss ;-) Aug 13 13:50:52 rwhitby: why do you ask? Aug 13 13:51:30 just trying to find out when someone is going to make a sensible decision about building asu.testing branch on buildhost instead of having a public daily-feed which doesn't match your released ASU image Aug 13 13:51:50 (which is causing huge amounts of confusion in your customer base) Aug 13 13:52:41 In fact, daily-feed doesn't match *any* of the five different Openmoko distributions that are available ... Aug 13 13:53:30 rwhitby: building asu.testing would negate the point of QA Aug 13 13:53:32 rwhitby: so you're aware I'm HW and don't know nuttin about feeds etc? Aug 13 13:54:08 which would put the testing team out of a job Aug 13 13:54:15 XorA: I would say that if daily-feed built asu.testing, but was *not* installed on the FR image by default, then you would get better QA Aug 13 13:55:03 since you'd have the people who know enough to change their feed configs able to help do the testing, before those packages go to the many more people who just use the default stable feeds Aug 13 13:55:28 XorA: it wouldn't put the testing team out of job but it would complement it Aug 13 13:55:30 DocScrutinizer: yeah, but you might have let slip who XorA's boss is, so I could bug them directly :-) Aug 13 13:55:48 rwhitby: easilly reachable on devel@ Aug 13 13:56:15 ;-) me away... Aug 13 13:56:46 XorA: looks like fso-image finally built. The secret is to include fso-autorev, but *not* include moko-autorev. Aug 13 13:56:48 * XorA begins to think we should just remove http from buildhost Aug 13 13:57:05 XorA: that'd be better than the current situation. Aug 13 13:57:11 XorA: I've got some better ideas... ;-) might even fit to 03 :D Aug 13 13:57:43 tesla Aug 13 13:57:55 rwhitby: basic reading skills would be better from my opinion, but it seems thats a dream that will never be acheived Aug 13 13:58:16 XorA: you've got to remember that over half the population is below average intelligence ... Aug 13 13:58:19 oh hai howbout an icecast streambroswer/front end to mplayer? Aug 13 13:58:35 can we add an IQ test to shop.openmoko.com then :-D Aug 13 13:58:49 On the entry page to buildhost would be even better Aug 13 14:00:27 From a supportability POV, it might not be a bad idea to constrain the http server to certain place on buildhost, though. Aug 13 14:01:45 Do http://www.gp2xstore.com/Neo_1973_Base_Phone_p/012.htm actually have freerunner? Aug 13 14:02:16 SpeedEvil: says Neo 1973 Aug 13 14:02:35 SpeedEvil: does not say freerunner anywhere Aug 13 14:02:58 * rwhitby flashes a freshly built fso image to the GTA01 ... Aug 13 14:03:29 Hmmm... given the email some days ago that mentioned one of the reasons OM can't support the GTA01, perhaps OM should make a shopping trip at that web store... Aug 13 14:03:42 mwester-trip: I was thinking the same thing Aug 13 14:04:30 SpeedEvil: I tried to order 50 from that site, and it says they only have 6 left. Aug 13 14:04:59 So OM should snap them up for customer support staff ... Aug 13 14:05:08 zash: so I thought - but it's linked off 'buy freerunner' Aug 13 14:05:12 on the main page Aug 13 14:05:41 rwhitby: or they could offer a swaps program :) Aug 13 14:06:09 I suppose you could recycle the case and screen only though Aug 13 14:06:10 I've got two dead GTA01s I can swap :-) Aug 13 14:06:18 rwhitby: how dead? Aug 13 14:06:22 SpeedEvil: höh, googling "freerunner site:ps2xstore.com" didn't give anything Aug 13 14:06:23 rwhitby, who are you flashing now? Aug 13 14:06:37 SpeedEvil: PMU receiving > 6V dead Aug 13 14:06:53 rwhitby: murder then. Aug 13 14:07:09 moidah! Aug 13 14:07:18 * SpeedEvil ponders what that would do. Aug 13 14:07:29 I think it's fairly likely that'd only kill the PMU Aug 13 14:07:46 >6v, or >>? Aug 13 14:07:59 haha Aug 13 14:08:08 It wasn't due to a failing powersupply on Belkin tetrahub was it? Aug 13 14:08:11 SpeedEvil: >=6 is enough :-/ Aug 13 14:08:16 1.21JW? Aug 13 14:08:30 doc|home: indeed. Aug 13 14:08:39 Joerg! :D Aug 13 14:08:47 DocScrutinizer: however the failure mode between 6VDC, and 240VAC is rather different. Aug 13 14:08:57 :D Aug 13 14:09:12 240VAC? silly foreigners ;p Aug 13 14:09:29 SpeedEvil: 12V applied I believe, due to USB hub which didn't protect downstream very well, and 12V and 5V power supply plugs on a test rig with identical form factors :-( Aug 13 14:09:29 230V actually Aug 13 14:09:35 heehee Aug 13 14:09:45 DocScrutinizer: nope, 240V here Aug 13 14:09:48 yeah, that'll fuck your device, rwhitby Aug 13 14:09:57 It may not fuck it very badly. Aug 13 14:09:59 uh! Aug 13 14:10:00 this is because things are designed poorly Aug 13 14:10:03 PMU replace might fix it. Aug 13 14:10:12 SpeedEvil: I expect it would Aug 13 14:10:14 Also, the screen will almost certainly be fine. Aug 13 14:10:16 how do that? Aug 13 14:10:21 I mean what the fuck, 12V >> 5V in small devices Aug 13 14:10:27 hey ugh the mplayer bitbake magic doesnt have the glamo patch :( Aug 13 14:10:31 Tell the difference, don't allow it to run! Aug 13 14:10:37 DocScrutinizer: exactly. it's BGA, right? Aug 13 14:10:38 kd8ikt, boohoo? Aug 13 14:10:48 had to look, dunno Aug 13 14:10:49 rwhitby: or QFN - I forget Aug 13 14:10:52 think so Aug 13 14:10:53 rwhitby: damn small Aug 13 14:11:15 rwhitby: only really if you're very competant. And I'm not sure the PMU is actually available in ones. Aug 13 14:11:15 SpeedEvil: they are definitely good screen spare parts Aug 13 14:11:29 holy exploding screens batman!? Aug 13 14:13:57 what is the name of that mediaplayer in 2007.2? Aug 13 14:14:13 openmoko-mediaplayer2 Aug 13 14:14:13 mediaplayer? Aug 13 14:14:18 :p Aug 13 14:14:30 * Dave eyes Zorkman Aug 13 14:14:54 Zorkman ty :P Aug 13 14:15:32 Zorkman, cant you use that one in qtopia or asu? :P Aug 13 14:15:55 * Zorkman doesn't know, but thinks: "not a chanse" :) Aug 13 14:16:18 asu has a media player o.O Aug 13 14:16:37 I've never seen it.... Aug 13 14:16:38 I think my (ear) speaker broke. Aug 13 14:17:14 I'm not sure if its a hardware or software problem Aug 13 14:17:24 but the Audio coming out of my Ear speaker is way too low Aug 13 14:17:27 Oh well - I can't seem to find any sources for PCF50606 online. Aug 13 14:17:53 start trawling ebay for busted gta01 for spares :-) Aug 13 14:17:56 Any ideas? Aug 13 14:18:07 I'm guessing there isn't any warranty? ;-P Aug 13 14:18:07 Sargun its just your alsa state file Aug 13 14:18:12 are you sure? Aug 13 14:18:21 so if I run the neat alsactl command Aug 13 14:18:23 it'll be fixed? Aug 13 14:18:27 no....but id be willing to bet money it is ;) Aug 13 14:18:34 why doesn't the dialer run that on start-up? Aug 13 14:18:43 are you talking about during phone calls? Aug 13 14:19:12 yeah Aug 13 14:19:39 yea....its just your state file. It's turned down so that people on the other end dont hear as loud of an echo of their own voice atm Aug 13 14:19:44 you can turn it up if you want Aug 13 14:19:53 Ah. Aug 13 14:20:12 On the other hand my girlfriend said this phone had great voice quality compared to my Treo. Aug 13 14:20:23 haha Aug 13 14:20:33 So using the standalone build toolset how do I get my apps to link against libraries built by mokomakefile? Aug 13 14:21:27 retraciles! Aug 13 14:21:27 Sargun: look at /usr/share/openmoko/scenerios/gsmhandset.state I believe if you want to change it Aug 13 14:21:36 yeah Aug 13 14:21:39 but id make a backup first before you mess with it Aug 13 14:21:48 I have a full backup (tarball) of my phone Aug 13 14:21:52 XorA: it's a popular chip Aug 13 14:21:57 well id say you are good then ;) Aug 13 14:22:10 how'd you make the tarball back up? Aug 13 14:22:45 mount -o ro,remount all the partitions Aug 13 14:22:53 and then run tar Aug 13 14:23:00 and copy it over to my computer (over USB) Aug 13 14:23:16 hah Aug 13 14:23:22 flash it like it's hot Aug 13 14:23:31 tar -cvf - / |nc 192.168.0.200 10000 Aug 13 14:23:37 anyways, I've gotta go. Bye! Aug 13 14:23:38 I sadly must say Sargun, you'd be better running cga's script ;p Aug 13 14:25:37 cga's script? Aug 13 14:25:51 YES Aug 13 14:26:02 it flash images your phone Aug 13 14:26:10 CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL! Aug 13 14:26:12 o.O Aug 13 14:26:34 oh yea? where is the script if you dont mind? Aug 13 14:26:41 i dont think ive seen it Aug 13 14:27:31 We're creating it Aug 13 14:27:38 it should be available though Aug 13 14:27:41 somewhere :P Aug 13 14:28:22 =P I'd love to be able to easily make a backup of my phone.....theres been too many times ive lost everything after an upgrade.... Aug 13 14:28:33 * Dave throws a keyboard at raster Aug 13 14:28:44 Pyrasi, that's what it's for! Aug 13 14:28:56 Though it takes like fifteen minutes or so to run? Aug 13 14:29:06 Yeah we agree Aug 13 14:29:09 hence the point of this :P Aug 13 14:29:24 because you can then just flash your phone and return everything to normal Aug 13 14:29:39 lol. You said it should be available somewhere......like the wiki somewhere...or mailinglists somewhere? Aug 13 14:31:02 raster! Aug 13 14:31:09 Pyrasi, yes, SOMEWHERE Aug 13 14:31:16 or read channel logs back a day or two :P Aug 13 14:31:28 we were constantly working on it, so I'm sure there's urls somewhere Aug 13 14:31:35 and yeah it may have made it's way onto the wiki Aug 13 14:31:41 (I'm pretty sure it has) Aug 13 14:31:44 Where, I forget :D Aug 13 14:33:06 Joergs! Aug 13 14:33:51 Hehe does qtopia break if you do opkg update and upgrade? :P Aug 13 14:36:49 foooooooooooooooooods Aug 13 14:37:07 I just flashed the phone to it and then did opkg update and opkg upgrade and now I cant boot into it anymore :P Aug 13 14:37:33 Dave: http://pastey.net/93437-1s65 Is the url i believe (searched irc logs) Aug 13 14:37:50 spydon: flashed what and upgraded with what? Aug 13 14:38:24 * rwhitby waits for Om2008.08 and daily-feed ... Aug 13 14:38:25 XorA, flashed the freerunner and then ssh:d to it and upgraded with opkg... :P Aug 13 14:39:26 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rd357bf9b340f 10/odeviced/src/plugins/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Aug 13 14:39:26 freesmartphone.org: input: Move add_watch to C, see bug Aug 13 14:39:26 freesmartphone.org: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=546898 Aug 13 14:39:26 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r599bb46f2ebd 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/input-helpers.c: Detect keypress Aug 13 14:39:28 rwhitby, I fear you may be waiting for a while :| Aug 13 14:39:44 haha detect keypress, well, that sounds rather important :) Aug 13 14:39:46 Dave: I was referring to the answer that spydon might give to XorA's question Aug 13 14:40:02 Ah :] Aug 13 14:40:05 * XorA wonders about making /etc/opkg/* immutable Aug 13 14:40:08 Meanwhile, Xora is slow. Aug 13 14:40:14 immutable? :o Aug 13 14:40:23 haha, yeah, wouldn't that be nice? Aug 13 14:40:33 that way certain UPGRADES won't fuck us all over :] Aug 13 14:40:33 would solve this user error forever Aug 13 14:40:38 huhu :p Aug 13 14:40:45 hehe Aug 13 14:40:45 XorA: hard-code the feed locations into the opkg binary Aug 13 14:40:52 dont allow the users to unter random URL's Aug 13 14:40:52 ah well Il just reflash then :P Aug 13 14:41:38 gah Aug 13 14:41:41 * Dave stabs rwhitby Aug 13 14:42:07 Xora, however, whoever created the distro-feeds package in the repo should be throughly stabbed Aug 13 14:42:13 also someone should rape the opkg maintainers Aug 13 14:42:16 Perhaps opkg needs to be able to match a string/key describing the feeds the current host should use with a string/key describing the target opkg repo. Aug 13 14:42:22 for being ignorant fools. Aug 13 14:42:36 mwester, wouldn't that be nice! :D Aug 13 14:42:36 How can I remove the distro-feeds then? :P Aug 13 14:42:47 rm -f /etc/opkg/* Aug 13 14:43:01 unless that's not quite what you wanted :P Aug 13 14:44:32 haha Aug 13 14:44:44 indeed Aug 13 14:44:55 great but only like 20% of people actually read the topic Aug 13 14:45:10 I fear it's far less than that. Aug 13 14:45:12 XorA: you should shout at the beginning of the topic; it gets cut off by many readers. :D Aug 13 14:45:18 kd8, that's way too optimistic, it's more like 4% Aug 13 14:45:31 and out of 5% of users, they read it AFTER the fact... Aug 13 14:45:34 when told :P Aug 13 14:45:41 :D Aug 13 14:45:48 NEEDS MORE CAPS! Aug 13 14:46:03 mwester's trippin Aug 13 14:47:44 good stuff man Aug 13 14:47:48 * Dave high-fives Xora Aug 13 14:47:55 you tell 'em! Aug 13 14:48:57 XorA: any luck with the sd card mounting to the wrong location after resume? Were you able to reproduce it? Aug 13 14:49:10 i use a 8gb microsd if it matters. Aug 13 14:49:23 Pyrasi: havent had a chance to look yet, Ill try and fix it tomorrow morning Aug 13 14:49:43 night all Aug 13 14:49:44 Pyrasi: I have an idea where the fault lays, just need to confirm it Aug 13 14:50:19 FAT is FAIL Aug 13 14:51:32 XorA: awesome. thanks a ton! Aug 13 14:51:37 s'kjera Aug 13 14:54:35 leinir! :o Aug 13 14:57:21 What libs are needed to compile a Qt app and how to get them into the toolchain? Aug 13 14:57:49 eh? Aug 13 14:57:53 Proton23, hah. I was just asking something kinda like that Aug 13 14:57:55 So using the standalone build toolset how do I get my apps to link against libraries built by mokomakefile? Aug 13 14:59:12 libqt4-core libqt4-gui libqt4-dev Aug 13 14:59:24 (or libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libqt4-network Aug 13 15:00:10 gmaxwell: What do you mean with standalone build toolset? Aug 13 15:00:32 Dave: how to link them into the toolchain? Aug 13 15:00:34 the Proton23 the tar.bz2 which includes the cross compiler and stuff Aug 13 15:00:42 no idea :D Aug 13 15:01:04 gmaxwell: ok :) Aug 13 15:01:21 Dave: fair enough :) Aug 13 15:01:57 Dave: Do you know who can tell me? Aug 13 15:02:11 possibly some of the qt whores here? Aug 13 15:02:13 :P Aug 13 15:07:27 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r49f15fba0173 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (input-helpers.c input.vala): Aug 13 15:07:27 freesmartphone.org: 1.) get release event, made the IOFunc callback static Aug 13 15:07:27 freesmartphone.org: 2.) ignore touchscreen events Aug 13 15:07:27 freesmartphone.org: TODO: (still) use ignore_input key instead of evilly hardcoding them Aug 13 15:09:17 ignore touchscreen events!? Aug 13 15:09:18 YES! Aug 13 15:09:23 There's my hold feature, baby! Aug 13 15:09:28 *whaapisssh* Aug 13 15:09:56 huh, what kind of ignore touchscreen events? Aug 13 15:10:09 (how else do you hang up?) Aug 13 15:10:18 cjb, just for now.....:) Aug 13 15:20:25 hmm... how do I regenerate the Packages(.gz) files when I'm building stuff? Aug 13 15:22:22 Mek! Aug 13 15:22:42 Mek: bitbake package-index Aug 13 15:22:50 rwhitby, still awake? :) Aug 13 15:22:52 ah, okay... Aug 13 15:23:32 How do I shutdown 2008.08 without terminal? :P Aug 13 15:23:36 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r622b5a045450 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (modems/abstract/unsolicited.py objects.py): ogsmd: s/NewMessage/IncomingMessage/ Aug 13 15:23:57 hold down the power button for 10 secs Aug 13 15:24:34 err, isnt that hard shutdown? :P Aug 13 15:24:44 nope Aug 13 15:25:02 ah nice, it was like 3 sec :P Aug 13 15:25:16 Zorkman :) Aug 13 15:25:23 hi Aug 13 15:25:41 I wish they'd fix scummvm Aug 13 15:25:48 :\ Aug 13 15:25:55 I wish I'd also be able to save games :P Aug 13 15:26:30 I am also unsure why my general sound for apps no longer works, Zorkman Aug 13 15:26:34 like epiano, for example Aug 13 15:26:47 I think this was since I commented out the load sample sounds in pulse Aug 13 15:26:51 :x Aug 13 15:27:15 i did the same thing, but sound still works.. Aug 13 15:27:26 maybe resume broke it? Aug 13 15:27:44 :| Aug 13 15:27:46 oh, maybe! Aug 13 15:27:47 :D Aug 13 15:27:52 Why, is that known to happen? Aug 13 15:27:57 Dave: after you install pulseaudio resuming will break your sound Aug 13 15:28:00 So far it seems like resume breaks -everything- Aug 13 15:28:08 :p Aug 13 15:28:13 pulseaudio doesnt come back from resume well Aug 13 15:28:31 but shouldn't restarting pulseaudio fix that? Aug 13 15:28:32 s/well/at all/ Aug 13 15:29:04 mwester had a fix for this on 2007.2....but i dont think one has been released on 2008.8 yet Aug 13 15:29:14 meh, fuck 2008 Aug 13 15:29:27 we're not there, yet :P Aug 13 15:29:39 Pyrasi: why don't you apply the fix to 2008? Aug 13 15:30:20 Dave: hey, cga and I have worked on the script a bit, although I have run into a snag... Aug 13 15:31:45 Infoport, what is it? Aug 13 15:31:46 Dave: the issue is that if you pipe in the first of a loop, it creates a local copy of the variables, and when I exist I can't tell if we found anything, or if they choose a number above what is available (but the last valie of $HEX is still there, and it does *that* anyway. grrrr.... Aug 13 15:31:50 I'll try to help if you'd like :) Aug 13 15:32:13 o_O Aug 13 15:32:18 Dave: here is the latest, which has what I tried added to what he gave me today http://pastey.net/93701 Aug 13 15:32:23 So basically, again, the solution, is use perl :P Aug 13 15:32:32 Info, is that the -entire- latest copy of the script? Aug 13 15:34:49 Dave: *sigh* yes, the entire script. I think I may go out for a cigar...this has driven me crazy. I'll look in a little bit (before I finish) in case you has given a magical solution Aug 13 15:35:02 :) Aug 13 15:36:18 whats soo important that you need backing up? Aug 13 15:36:55 kd8ikt, quiet you! Aug 13 15:37:30 only thing i can think of is if youre using OM2007 you backup your .evolutio* -r cause thats your added contacts Aug 13 15:37:59 right :p Aug 13 15:38:05 also just settings and everything Aug 13 15:38:10 i'm just wondering why your wasting your time on such a silly venture Aug 13 15:38:13 here, I have a very practical reason to do this Aug 13 15:38:25 what like wpa_supplicant.conf? Aug 13 15:38:26 though it makes more sense to just package things if you don't require an image Aug 13 15:38:49 go back to your ham, man :p Aug 13 15:38:52 it takes long enough to flash an image i dare not waste time backing one up Aug 13 15:39:15 yep Aug 13 15:40:08 Dave: i use rsync for backups Aug 13 15:40:15 Dave: only needs to transfer the modified files Aug 13 15:40:22 right Aug 13 15:40:30 flashing makes more sense in our environment, here Aug 13 15:40:37 but packaging works well too Aug 13 15:40:41 it's just less safe, so to speak Aug 13 15:40:59 Dave: ? Aug 13 15:41:17 i'd like to think atleast wifiweasel was a step in the right direction Aug 13 15:41:36 hah! Aug 13 15:41:42 still going on about that, eh kd8? :P Aug 13 15:42:07 next i need a frontend to mplayer more or less strictly for icecast/shoutcast streams Aug 13 15:42:25 hah, yeah! :p Aug 13 15:42:31 Torikun kun kun Aug 13 15:42:45 hey dave Aug 13 15:42:46 cause mediaplayer doesnt support streams Aug 13 15:42:59 My website finnaly works http://rusher.webhop.org:69 Check out my podcast! Aug 13 15:43:06 no upgrades today =( Aug 13 15:43:28 i like that my phone is around my neck and mplayer is streaming somafm's groove salad right now Aug 13 15:45:33 wish i could get mplayer to compile with the glamo video output patch i found Aug 13 15:45:51 http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/ Aug 13 15:50:06 kd8ikt my limited sanity is what is so important for me, but a lot of the reason I bother with the script is because some seem to want backups, and because its there Aug 13 15:50:47 back to cigar, rest me mind Aug 13 15:52:31 * kd8ikt would never think of flashing an image older then one day Aug 13 15:52:57 atleast lindi is in my corner on this Aug 13 15:53:13 ? Aug 13 15:53:29 just nod and say yea Aug 13 15:53:49 ;D Aug 13 15:54:31 Why no updates today! Aug 13 15:56:56 :P Aug 13 15:57:10 The developer's are allowed a day off, to rest, right? :p Aug 13 15:57:48 kd8ikt, so what's wrong with mplayer and glamo? Aug 13 15:57:53 they don't play nice, in your opinion? Aug 13 15:58:27 Dave: The devs need a whipping Aug 13 15:58:38 current (in the repo's, openembedded bitbake) doesnt support hardware rendering Aug 13 15:59:04 Agreed. :D Aug 13 15:59:10 Indiana Jones style, baby! ;D Aug 13 15:59:20 kd8 o_O Aug 13 15:59:29 So it... doesn't display!?? What?? Aug 13 15:59:41 oh it will play but at a shity framerate Aug 13 15:59:54 haha, oh Aug 13 15:59:55 nice Aug 13 16:00:00 like .5 fps Aug 13 16:00:00 bottleneck? shittyneck? Aug 13 16:00:03 haha, gah Aug 13 16:00:10 better to watch a slideshow :P Aug 13 16:00:39 do you have mplayer installed on your phone? Aug 13 16:01:07 yep Aug 13 16:01:15 mplayer -playlist http://dir.xiph.org/listen/941535/listen.m3u Aug 13 16:01:18 haven't done much of anything with it, however. Aug 13 16:01:29 its a video/music icecast stream Aug 13 16:01:53 and how about mplayer with '-vo glamo' output driver for mpeg4 video? Aug 13 16:01:59 also its like chinese or something AZN Aug 13 16:02:06 have you tried that? Aug 13 16:02:31 http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/ Aug 13 16:02:32 my output for 'mplayer -vo help' doesnt list glamo in the video output list so ... Aug 13 16:02:42 i cant get it to compile Aug 13 16:02:58 :o Aug 13 16:02:59 wow Aug 13 16:03:01 cool Aug 13 16:03:09 the framerate is awesome, yeah Aug 13 16:03:38 lollerjpop Aug 13 16:03:52 but I haven't seen ipkg for that, too Aug 13 16:03:53 omg Aug 13 16:03:55 whoa Aug 13 16:04:01 uhhh kd8 Aug 13 16:04:07 i wish glamo wasn't a fork of X Aug 13 16:04:08 ok enough of the emotions dave Aug 13 16:04:10 hahahah Aug 13 16:04:21 kd8, suddenly the sound died, and I was getting full framerate! Aug 13 16:04:25 then about ten seconds later it died. Aug 13 16:04:33 Perhaps because it was all buffered? Aug 13 16:05:23 Meanwhile, back in the terminal, I was getting pages of FAAD Unable to find ADTS syncword, trying to resync! and Failed to decode frame: Unable to find ADTS syncword errors Aug 13 16:05:24 Dave: so, try with -nosound option and check the results Aug 13 16:06:11 But the music is so nice! ;p Aug 13 16:06:13 heehee Aug 13 16:06:27 What silly groups, anyway -- it's not that bad :] Aug 13 16:07:05 hm xeros i just did that and the frame rate is fine Aug 13 16:07:18 30fps Aug 13 16:07:19 oh and with the -nosound option my framerate is great Aug 13 16:07:34 it's probably about 10-15FPS, anyway Aug 13 16:07:46 it's hard to tell with this particular footage (video) :P Aug 13 16:07:58 let me see what it looks like, WIDESCREEN ;p Aug 13 16:08:12 Dave: how big the video resolution is and what codec? Aug 13 16:09:21 lawl Aug 13 16:09:30 subtitle font: load_sub_face failed. Aug 13 16:09:33 http://www.nokia.com/A4852062 Aug 13 16:09:43 Please suppy the text font file(~/.player/subfont.ttf) Aug 13 16:10:47 rofl Aug 13 16:11:20 uh oh Aug 13 16:11:29 swapping orientations while it's playing fucks up the phone graphics Aug 13 16:11:49 and now it froze Aug 13 16:11:53 :( Aug 13 16:12:30 :( Aug 13 16:12:47 -framedrop improves it a bit Aug 13 16:13:06 hmm Aug 13 16:13:12 probably especially with sound Aug 13 16:13:33 but what were you saying about the glamo patch, or whatever, and more importantly how is it related to what we're talking about now? Aug 13 16:14:49 -vo xv Aug 13 16:15:08 it adds -vo glamo Aug 13 16:18:34 WILL NEVER EVER Aug 13 16:18:35 eh? Aug 13 16:18:39 WILL NEVER EVER Aug 13 16:18:40 for eva eva eva? Aug 13 16:18:45 What are you talking about linuxxr? Aug 13 16:18:50 * Dave stabbity-stabs Torikun Aug 13 16:18:59 the topic Aug 13 16:19:04 oh, haha Aug 13 16:19:06 eah Aug 13 16:19:21 anyway, kd8, what about xv now? Aug 13 16:19:36 good phone calls with 2008.8 yet? Aug 13 16:20:02 linuxxr: good calls with 20080811 Aug 13 16:20:28 thats not the new release Aug 13 16:20:34 right Aug 13 16:20:41 Latest is 20080812 Aug 13 16:21:37 kd8, so why exactly is the framerate so pitiful? Aug 13 16:22:25 without using a glamo output driver? limited gpu bandwidth Aug 13 16:22:51 man, the combined artifact and decompression in the codec, and the poor framerate and lag is making this quite visually tripping :p Aug 13 16:23:57 rofl! Aug 13 16:25:45 kd8, hmm, at least it's not crashing as much now (though I dare not rotate while it's playing again) :p Aug 13 16:26:09 kd8ikt, so no -vo glamo? :( Aug 13 16:26:47 wish I could drop even more frames, with the sound on, so it'd be more seemless Aug 13 16:28:55 The glamo accellerator chip is a 2D/3D accellerator. Unfortunately, it has a 7megabytes/s bus to the CPU, which is shared by the SD. Transferring 3.5M/s to the glamo uses 50% CPU. The 3D accel cannot do VGA mode. In most cases, the glamo has not ended up improving performance as was hoped. Aug 13 16:29:23 it's actually doing alright right now Aug 13 16:29:39 'alright' - yes. Aug 13 16:29:41 Yep Aug 13 16:29:43 how so? Aug 13 16:29:54 yeah sharing a bus is pretty failicious Aug 13 16:30:00 Is it in fact twice teh performance of GTA01 in the usual case is an important question though. Aug 13 16:30:07 what's more, apparently nearly everything is shared on the same fucking bus on the freerunner Aug 13 16:30:10 which is total fail Aug 13 16:30:21 DEDICATED LINES, PEOPLE! Aug 13 16:30:22 You have to accept some limitations. Aug 13 16:30:48 SoCs tend to have limited busses, and will block on slow accesses to stuff. Aug 13 16:31:00 :( Aug 13 16:31:12 It's a straight trade. Aug 13 16:31:21 speed/cost/power Aug 13 16:31:30 speed/cost/power / performance Aug 13 16:31:31 rather Aug 13 16:31:39 sure it's not Aug 13 16:31:46 well, it is with that hardware profile Aug 13 16:31:57 Design cleverness comes in too. Aug 13 16:31:59 so they're bumping clock to 533 and no glamo in gta03, that is gonna pwn Aug 13 16:32:00 if you radically altered the design, and threw a lot more money at it... ;) Aug 13 16:32:27 I don't see how maginally increasing the cpu would relaly help much Aug 13 16:32:34 Dave: it does Aug 13 16:32:54 Dave: for example. GTA01 can decode most VCD class content at 20fps or so without sound Aug 13 16:33:10 Dave: at 533MHz - not a problem at all. Aug 13 16:33:23 it ain't marginal 400 - 533 mhz Aug 13 16:33:46 Though rotation will be annoying. Aug 13 16:33:48 the glamo can decode reasonable resolution mpeg4s at least in hardware ... and could do jpeg decoding hardware as well Aug 13 16:33:50 I was saying 500 to 533 :P Aug 13 16:34:00 unknown_lamer: yes, it can. Aug 13 16:34:00 well it ain't 500 now Aug 13 16:34:06 speedevil, how to do I bump it up to 500 again? Aug 13 16:34:11 igor you can run it at 500 Aug 13 16:34:21 Dave: you put in a 7.2V battery. Aug 13 16:34:24 now just to convince smedia to give us docs so we can improve the basic mpeg4 driver ... 'tho maybe the source of the hackish mplayer backend is enough Aug 13 16:34:27 I also need to increase my swap. Aug 13 16:34:33 Speedevil? Aug 13 16:34:39 trix: how is the new Qtopia ? Aug 13 16:34:50 New Qtopia? Aug 13 16:35:03 Dave: put in a 7.2V battery, and place in a really cold cup of tea, for cooling. Aug 13 16:35:10 * araujo was reading about Qtopia today Aug 13 16:35:12 Dave: the one released last friday Aug 13 16:35:12 if only my current client would return from vacation so I could get paid and buy a freerunner :-( Aug 13 16:35:15 haha Aug 13 16:35:18 anyone using it here on the freerunner atm? Aug 13 16:35:23 Virus, oh, cool. Aug 13 16:35:28 Is it any less suck? Aug 13 16:35:30 :P Aug 13 16:35:39 Dave: use tab completion for fuck's sake Aug 13 16:35:39 Speedevil, why do I need a battery? Aug 13 16:35:43 Virus: FUCK YOU Aug 13 16:36:00 unknown_lamer, first ... we have to wait for availability in stock :-P Aug 13 16:36:01 noob .. you make me sick Aug 13 16:36:37 are you guys forreal? Aug 13 16:36:44 Hardly. Aug 13 16:37:04 nice Aug 13 16:37:19 * Dave wonders where kd8ikt wandered off to. Aug 13 16:37:21 * SpeedEvil is surreal. Aug 13 16:37:42 * SpeedEvil turns into a blue whale, and falls past the window. Aug 13 16:37:50 heh Aug 13 16:38:02 oh noes! Aug 13 16:39:36 pink porpoises!? Aug 13 16:40:06 speedevil Aug 13 16:44:22 my mom is $#%#$%^ with my $#^3# Aug 13 16:44:27 o_O Aug 13 16:44:29 rut roh Aug 13 16:44:52 she's in ur freerunner, droppin ur framerate? :p Aug 13 16:45:50 i cant be in the same room as her Aug 13 16:45:56 :x Aug 13 16:46:06 she's a total bitch Aug 13 16:47:00 Spectacular. Aug 13 16:47:14 Anyway, back to mplayer. :P Aug 13 16:49:10 Speedevil, my freerunner needs to be more Speedy :) Aug 13 16:51:39 yeah fuck smedia for the Nondisclosure crap Aug 13 16:51:44 :( Aug 13 16:51:58 whod' want to steal their shit anyway? Aug 13 16:52:33 can't somebody join openmoko for one day?, sign the nda and wrtte some documentation Aug 13 16:52:34 ? Aug 13 16:52:53 haha Aug 13 16:52:59 where is the images page? Aug 13 16:53:04 Sure, just so long as they didn't publicize it. Aug 13 16:53:10 linuxxr: Latest_Images Aug 13 16:53:21 (last I checked) Aug 13 16:53:25 they can writh their own documentation, based on the info of smedia, and that can be redistributed Aug 13 16:53:38 (they say so on the mailinglist at least...) Aug 13 16:53:42 When I connect to my wifi point, the gui apps can not access the internet but opkg works fine. Any ideas? Aug 13 16:53:43 kd8ikt: this is nice, but is there any additional way I could bump the framerate? Aug 13 16:53:58 hopefully they make lots and lots of comments int the glamo code Zorkman ;) Aug 13 16:54:07 *cough* Aug 13 16:54:13 Dave: try running in vga mode? Aug 13 16:54:17 *qvga i mean Aug 13 16:54:31 eh? Aug 13 16:55:31 Zorkman: god luck on writing ~1500pp of doc during one afternoon - lol Aug 13 16:55:33 nothing worse then diging through source code thats uncommented Aug 13 16:55:54 jOERG: they'll have to prove I didn't do it on one afternoon :po Aug 13 16:55:55 kd8ikt: binary reverse engineering Aug 13 16:55:59 ort atleast inteligently commented Aug 13 16:56:12 or can openmoko not hire someone with whatever minimum wage they have in taiwan? :d Aug 13 16:56:21 minimum wage won't cut it. Aug 13 16:56:22 i'll pass i have a hard enough time on sourcecode Aug 13 16:56:30 You need _lots_ more than minimum wage. Aug 13 16:56:46 In order to be able to do sensible rewriting of docs. Aug 13 16:56:47 Zorkman: you don't understand: you *have* to write new doc, you mustn't redistrbute smedia original one Aug 13 16:56:49 like inteligence Aug 13 16:56:55 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rdfdb47a04eaa 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (input-helpers.c input.vala): Fix watches hashtable Aug 13 16:56:55 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rdd93bdcb18e3 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (input-helpers.c input.vala): Aug 13 16:56:55 freesmartphone.org: 1.) make watches read only Aug 13 16:56:55 freesmartphone.org: 2.) Emit DBus signals with correct event source Aug 13 16:57:26 I mean minimumwage because this would in theory be communitysupported, like "if we had the docs we would do it for free, but we can't have em unless you hire us one way or another so we'll settle with minimumwage" Aug 13 16:57:26 * SpeedEvil passes jOERG a OCR package, and a Sweedish Chef filter program. Aug 13 16:57:31 ROFLBUGGED Aug 13 16:57:32 well if FIC would hire me i would gladly write open docs Aug 13 16:57:47 jOERG_away: I do understand it Aug 13 16:57:58 and i'll do it for less than minimum wage Aug 13 16:58:09 I won't. Aug 13 16:58:19 That's a lot of mind-numbing work. Aug 13 16:58:28 but think of the children! Aug 13 16:58:46 Not usually suitable payment. Aug 13 16:58:57 jaja Aug 13 16:59:26 SpeedEvil: the multitude of OLPC volunteers disagree with you ;-) Aug 13 16:59:32 * Zorkman googles for taiwan and childlabor :-D Aug 13 17:00:24 not in taiwan anyway Aug 13 17:00:24 would there be a market for opensource sweatshops? Aug 13 17:00:27 that's for teh cn Aug 13 17:00:33 indonesie Aug 13 17:00:35 KOREA Aug 13 17:00:38 is big on that these days Aug 13 17:00:52 guess who writes those third-party wireless drivers? Aug 13 17:00:55 I've commented before that there are a large number of tasks worth >>$1/day to 'rich' consumers. Aug 13 17:00:59 ten year old koreans locked in basements :P Aug 13 17:01:13 according to "teh cn" taiwan is china :p Aug 13 17:01:16 wealthy consumers, i.e. freerunner owners? :P Aug 13 17:01:23 Zorkman, ask someone from china Aug 13 17:01:23 Running remote vacuum cleaners, spam filtering, ... Aug 13 17:01:27 Dave: yes Aug 13 17:01:28 They'll disagree. Aug 13 17:01:30 Dave: comparatively. Aug 13 17:01:38 Speedevil, make my phone faster, please. Aug 13 17:01:49 :) Aug 13 17:01:56 Dave: if you're watching your family not really eat most days, then all freerunner owners are rich. Aug 13 17:01:56 i think i can hear my mom yelling at me from 3 stories up Aug 13 17:02:06 Zorkman: you wouldn't think it's china when you look out oof the window here ;-) Aug 13 17:02:14 Joerg :D Aug 13 17:02:16 (unless you have children who are models) Aug 13 17:02:26 yeah i know jOERG_away, was just joking (although the chinese are not :)) Aug 13 17:02:31 Speedevil :) Aug 13 17:02:36 * Zorkman thinks kd8ikt has a really big house Aug 13 17:02:37 what time is it in chino anywho? Aug 13 17:02:45 -8? Aug 13 17:02:49 10AM? Aug 13 17:02:58 Stupid unitary timezone. Aug 13 17:03:05 01:03 AM Aug 13 17:03:08 Close. Aug 13 17:03:08 :D Aug 13 17:03:12 haha Aug 13 17:03:16 1:00 in china now Aug 13 17:03:25 fuck its 1PM here Aug 13 17:03:26 Joerg, HK? Aug 13 17:03:29 kd8, yeah :[ Aug 13 17:03:31 fuck Aug 13 17:03:43 I was almost dead on. Only 3 minutes early, and left-shifted. Aug 13 17:03:46 i think i'm on china time cause i'm about to pass out Aug 13 17:03:55 haha Aug 13 17:04:06 Speedevil, how do I run it at 500MHz? Aug 13 17:04:09 Is this on the wiki? Aug 13 17:04:13 Dave: I don't know. Aug 13 17:04:24 yeah i heard the cpu can do 500mhz Aug 13 17:04:24 Dave: well - I do know. Aug 13 17:04:28 Yes you do! Aug 13 17:04:37 You're witholding the truth from us! Aug 13 17:04:41 You told me ages ago. Aug 13 17:04:45 Dave: don't think *you* run THAT fast :D Aug 13 17:04:46 Dave: set the registers in the clock synth appropriately. Aug 13 17:04:50 joerg :P Aug 13 17:04:52 hey now Aug 13 17:05:05 i've never pllayed with a computer that handled freq scaling Aug 13 17:05:09 And setup all of the other peripherals for that clock speed. Aug 13 17:05:14 Speedevil, maybe it's not as simple as a uboot setting/option then? :| Aug 13 17:05:19 Dave: it may be Aug 13 17:05:24 That's what I thought it was. Aug 13 17:05:27 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r5b4433fde672 10/ (12 files in 3 dirs): add external style sheet and link to it. lets see whether this works from the wiki as well Aug 13 17:05:28 Dave: I know you can do that on GTA01 Aug 13 17:05:30 Bastard, stop trying to dissuade me :) Aug 13 17:05:34 (though not to 500MHz) Aug 13 17:05:48 Dave: try set speed at the uboot prompt Aug 13 17:05:56 if I knew how, I would! Aug 13 17:06:03 I have more than appropriate cooling. Aug 13 17:06:09 ahah I almost wrote cooking :) Aug 13 17:06:24 * kd8ikt invisions dave with his hands in a freezer Aug 13 17:06:31 mmm Aug 13 17:06:32 nice :) Aug 13 17:06:34 feed the FR amphatamines Aug 13 17:06:34 *amphetamines Aug 13 17:06:38 ok im gonna install todays image Aug 13 17:06:40 STIM PACKS Aug 13 17:06:46 I'm going with the 'use a 7.2V battery' solution. Aug 13 17:06:53 uhh Aug 13 17:07:00 round here we call that crank/ice/meth for short Zorkman Aug 13 17:07:01 fry Aug 13 17:07:02 * Dave rolls his eyes at Speedevil Aug 13 17:07:06 haha Aug 13 17:07:23 *yawn* Aug 13 17:07:27 63.6 mags Aug 13 17:07:39 * SpeedEvil buys a nice inflatable for Dave. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7558129.stm Aug 13 17:08:01 o.O Aug 13 17:08:06 What now in the UK? Aug 13 17:08:18 Anyone in San Francisco? Aug 13 17:08:35 Yes, what do you want? Aug 13 17:08:47 ugh, mccarthy had an exposition here in belgium a couple of months ago also Aug 13 17:09:03 i keep getting this error compiling FSO image http://pastebin.com/d29be0d16 Aug 13 17:09:37 *i clicked Aug 13 17:09:40 Gotta give a shout to my locals Dave Aug 13 17:09:41 lol Aug 13 17:09:42 i don't see a mistake Aug 13 17:09:44 roflforeigners Aug 13 17:09:47 kd8ikt, hrr :D Aug 13 17:09:52 holla o/ Aug 13 17:10:02 just to check; is it so that the audio problems(echo, gsm noises etc.) are related to the kernel, and that therefore they affect both openmoko and qtopia...? Aug 13 17:10:05 comeing live from 2nd and Bryant in SFO beotches Aug 13 17:10:07 lol Aug 13 17:10:15 kd8ikt, it's not a bug, it's a feature. Aug 13 17:10:18 Torikun, come down to PA, and we'll have ourselves a bbq! Aug 13 17:10:30 lol and talk on our openmoko? Aug 13 17:10:34 We'll even grill on my FR,... if I can get it to run at 500MHz :P Aug 13 17:10:47 confidential: its called encryption, so that nobody, not even who you are calling, can decypher what you say Aug 13 17:11:08 not as bad as this build error http://pastebin.com/m1ef40edf Aug 13 17:11:20 haha Aug 13 17:11:59 libmoo2 Aug 13 17:12:17 Joerg, where are you at? Aug 13 17:12:35 Also, you still haven't told me where we send money and gifts to you :) Aug 13 17:13:19 dave: he is in taipei Aug 13 17:13:25 confidential: some of the noise at least is due to hardware, and cannot be fixed in software. Aug 13 17:14:01 you mean the noise my peeps hear on the other end of a call? Aug 13 17:14:02 I just hope it won't be half a year before we can use it as a phone :( Aug 13 17:14:02 confidential: it's possible there may exist a fix in the future in simple user-applied mods Aug 13 17:14:10 kd8ikt: as I understand it, yes. Aug 13 17:14:11 probably Aug 13 17:14:17 i figured that Aug 13 17:14:24 honestly, if it worked as a portable media device at least then it'd have some pull Aug 13 17:14:38 Honestly, so far when viewing some nice images, the screen looks pretty sweet Aug 13 17:14:44 somethin is bound to go wrong when you place a GSM/GPS/WIFI/BLUEtooth radio together Aug 13 17:14:47 but, so far the software blows. Aug 13 17:14:52 kd8ikt no Aug 13 17:15:07 Just when you put it in and then don't design anything else or give further considerations :D Aug 13 17:15:13 other companies can do it :) Aug 13 17:15:16 you radio freaks are just cranky Aug 13 17:15:19 Dave: or test it Aug 13 17:15:26 speedevil, right ;) Aug 13 17:15:29 so at least it was understandable Aug 13 17:15:36 testing is our job ;-) Aug 13 17:15:42 the irony is I use it with external antennas for just about everything now Aug 13 17:15:47 so it's kind of pointless Aug 13 17:15:48 feel like a stundriver sometimes: ) Aug 13 17:15:55 I even taped a wifi antenna onto the back of it Aug 13 17:16:09 wham an your head hurts Aug 13 17:16:18 head go boom Aug 13 17:17:17 i have issues changing the wifi mac address and also with (re)associating wifi with one AP then swaping to another without reboot Aug 13 17:17:39 weird Aug 13 17:17:41 on what? Aug 13 17:17:45 2007? Aug 13 17:18:00 for something thats supposed to be "open" it sure feels closed and limited Aug 13 17:18:13 SUrprise! Aug 13 17:18:16 That's because it is! Aug 13 17:18:35 Speedevil, I have a 24V battery, will that help? >:) Aug 13 17:18:42 smoke Aug 13 17:20:08 20080813 coming up Aug 13 17:20:18 ZOOM ZOOM Aug 13 17:20:28 Impending bug wave /o/ Aug 13 17:20:37 9oooo nos Aug 13 17:20:38 \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ Aug 13 17:21:07 might just work Aug 13 17:23:37 wow, 2008.8 doesn't like just using the same wpa_supplicant.conf, so I guess I'll have to learn more that it too Aug 13 17:24:16 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r0b17179d672a 10/html/index.html: add index.html (not autogenerated) Aug 13 17:24:19 heh Aug 13 17:25:42 how about those of us with a Ghia? (o=v=o) Aug 13 17:26:28 What? Aug 13 17:26:37 Sounds like a nutritional deficiency. Aug 13 17:26:53 Dave: hey, you're the one spreading bugs Aug 13 17:27:05 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r4073b44f2ed7 10/odeviced/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Fix DBus introspection in Input and IdleNotifier plugins Aug 13 17:27:21 hahaha Aug 13 17:27:23 * Dave hides Aug 13 17:28:40 is anyone in virginia using a freerunner? I'd like to see the phone but I figure asking to receive a demo is probably out of the question Aug 13 17:29:03 that is, demo unit. Aug 13 17:29:14 cga: here is my newest attempt...I still couldn't figure out how to check the count of devices, to make sure you pick a number that exists. Aug 13 17:29:24 but, maybe there's a possibility of catching someone nearby that might show me theirs Aug 13 17:29:38 cga: http://pastey.net/93701 Aug 13 17:29:46 Infoport, that is already implemented with select Aug 13 17:30:02 oh no Aug 13 17:30:06 my mistake Aug 13 17:30:12 select if for backup Aug 13 17:30:40 cga! Aug 13 17:30:44 * Dave pokes xeros Aug 13 17:30:50 Dave, ! Aug 13 17:30:54 tgz....im in kentucky.....if you wana drive over =P Aug 13 17:31:02 :D Aug 13 17:31:07 Pyrasi: moo? Aug 13 17:31:16 Pyrasi: heh Aug 13 17:31:58 thanks for the offer, but I have to go through WV to get there....kinda scary Aug 13 17:32:05 cga, Dave: i'm going to head out for a bit, and then be back (so no solutions from me for a while, also no extra bugs which aren't in my driveway) Aug 13 17:32:11 WV is long and full of toll roads Aug 13 17:32:23 I wouldnt recommend it Aug 13 17:32:29 well, I don't have to worry about the tolls, I'd have to walk (no car) Aug 13 17:32:30 Infoport, if CONTINUE is always true why don't use while true; do ? Aug 13 17:32:46 haha....yea.....that might be a bit of a long walk =P Aug 13 17:32:49 cga: say that 3 times fast Aug 13 17:32:54 cga: can you still see the previous dialog window, or does it not follow nick changes? Aug 13 17:33:00 Infoport, anyway select does that by default Aug 13 17:33:12 even without while do Aug 13 17:33:28 you should try before modifying :P Aug 13 17:33:39 cga: because you added a quit choice and exit and it wasnt really needed (I just put ours together Aug 13 17:34:15 Infoport :P Aug 13 17:34:26 cga: oh...you said you wanted to loop back after a backup and it didn't...I should have tested it first, sorry Aug 13 17:34:29 Infoport, shall I leave some for you when you return? :D Aug 13 17:34:32 I've found three so far :P Aug 13 17:34:33 Infoport, anyway thanks alot for your involvement and efforts. not like Dave XD Aug 13 17:35:08 Dave: cga said it was "finished" a bit back...I'm adding "features" Aug 13 17:35:15 heading to grannies for dinner.. see you later folks Aug 13 17:35:27 It's never finished! Aug 13 17:35:31 Bye cga ;p Aug 13 17:35:39 bye Aug 13 17:35:41 Whatever country you come from. Aug 13 17:35:47 italy Aug 13 17:35:48 is the script already on the wiki? Aug 13 17:35:49 Zorkman, hoe gaat het? Aug 13 17:35:55 Dave: sure, just mix the lines when you're done, and i'll figure out the puzzle XD Aug 13 17:35:57 I-T-A-L-I-A! Aug 13 17:36:02 gezwind Dave :) Aug 13 17:36:02 no Zorkman we want to "finish" it before Aug 13 17:36:08 Infoport, haha naughty, okay :p Aug 13 17:36:10 k, np, just informing Aug 13 17:36:13 gonna go eat Aug 13 17:36:15 Zorkmann :D Aug 13 17:36:22 jaja Aug 13 17:36:24 bbl ! Aug 13 17:36:30 snakkes Aug 13 17:38:28 cga: thanks for gives us credit in the script too, even though we just added to your work Aug 13 17:38:56 i don't find the word in english to say it Aug 13 17:39:03 it's ought Aug 13 17:39:28 fair enough...still, thanks! Aug 13 17:40:15 thank you all for support help and code Aug 13 17:40:33 espcially Dave for the hex to name thingy lol Aug 13 17:40:50 Sure Aug 13 17:40:53 I hope to finish it later Aug 13 17:40:55 THEN FINISH YOU! Aug 13 17:41:07 Dave, :P Aug 13 17:41:09 We'll see, I have afternoon meetings like a motherfucker. Aug 13 17:41:11 :P Aug 13 17:41:16 I am hoping to escape. Aug 13 17:41:36 Dave, anyway my collegue aubba implemented it already today in spare time Aug 13 17:41:47 we can compare the two versions Aug 13 17:41:47 :[ Aug 13 17:41:50 fine Aug 13 17:42:32 i didn't mean to hurt you sorry but we talked about it and he offered help Aug 13 17:42:37 fine :P Aug 13 17:42:39 and code Aug 13 17:42:50 I'll just have to port your code, and make my own version, like an asshole :P Aug 13 17:42:56 and it'll be better than yours! ;p Aug 13 17:42:56 lol Aug 13 17:42:57 Dave , drink some coffee and recharge lol Aug 13 17:43:00 eww Aug 13 17:43:10 My code has bigger comments than yours! j/k Aug 13 17:43:10 * Dave pours boiling coffee on Torikun's lap. Aug 13 17:43:13 damn forker! Aug 13 17:43:16 ;p Aug 13 17:43:19 * Torikun1 burns to a crisp Aug 13 17:43:27 and smells bad, too :P Aug 13 17:43:34 lol Aug 13 17:43:56 When I do my next show, I will talkabout the openmoko in depth Aug 13 17:44:28 show? Aug 13 17:44:40 http://rusher.webhop.org:69/podcast Aug 13 17:44:41 oh, because you're a podcast whore? Aug 13 17:44:46 yeah, prettymuch. Aug 13 17:44:49 ~_~ Aug 13 17:44:50 STOP DOING THAT! Aug 13 17:45:01 I will give you a shout dave Aug 13 17:45:01 lol Aug 13 17:45:27 discuss our issues Aug 13 17:45:32 \o/ Aug 13 17:45:34 I'll give you a beer :) Aug 13 17:45:37 If you'd like it. Aug 13 17:45:43 I only drink liquor Aug 13 17:45:46 lol Aug 13 17:47:17 ;p Aug 13 17:47:26 sherry or bourbon? Aug 13 17:47:37 Soju / vodka Aug 13 17:47:43 oh haha Aug 13 17:47:45 bleh Aug 13 17:47:50 I'd hope, not toghether! Aug 13 17:47:50 ah Aug 13 17:47:54 nope lol Aug 13 17:48:01 First time Ifound soju in the US Aug 13 17:48:10 drank it a log when I lived in korea Aug 13 17:48:13 *lot Aug 13 17:48:20 makes sense Aug 13 17:48:24 pesky koreans... Aug 13 17:48:26 lol Aug 13 17:48:32 We'll have to have a talk about that later, mister... Aug 13 17:48:34 :P Aug 13 17:49:16 Infoport, ? Aug 13 17:54:28 freesmartphone.org: 03abraxa 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r104a29881c71 10/opimd/ (helpers.py pimd_contacts.py): Aug 13 17:54:28 freesmartphone.org: Replaced some null-returns by proper exceptions Aug 13 17:54:28 freesmartphone.org: Renamed methods of the contact query interface (e.g. GetEntryAndAdvance() to GetContact()) Aug 13 17:54:28 freesmartphone.org: Implemented GetMultipleFields() among others Aug 13 17:54:31 freesmartphone.org: Renamed the .ContactsEntry and .ContactsQuery interfaces to .Contact and .ContactQuery Aug 13 17:54:33 freesmartphone.org: Fixed erroneous cursor incrementation in ContactEntry() class Aug 13 17:54:35 freesmartphone.org: 03abraxa 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rb25d9f84aaf9 10/odeviced/ (9 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://git@git.freesmartphone.org/openmoko-gsoc2008 Aug 13 17:55:55 can't wait for the day when the worlds most powerful computer will be a flashmob of neos Aug 13 17:57:20 http://www.our-picks.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/iphonesmartphone.jpg Aug 13 17:57:22 ^lol Aug 13 17:59:35 old. Aug 13 18:02:23 ha Aug 13 18:02:29 That is so before 3G Aug 13 18:02:30 lol Aug 13 18:02:59 3G is a fake, it doesn't really exist. It's a consipracy. Aug 13 18:03:04 This is why the FR doesn't have it. Aug 13 18:03:10 which is better usable as a normal phone(om2008.8, the daily builds or qtopia) ? Aug 13 18:03:51 confidential: 20080811 Aug 13 18:04:02 I am using it as a normal phone and it is stable Aug 13 18:04:50 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080811/ Aug 13 18:05:01 Torikun1: would you recommend it over qtopia...? Aug 13 18:05:07 Hell yeagh Aug 13 18:05:16 i went from qtopia to 20080811 Aug 13 18:05:29 actually, download the latest release http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080813/openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 Aug 13 18:06:02 and you have to get the kernel ofcourse http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080812/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin Aug 13 18:06:31 Torikun. Have you noticed that some apps dont seem to refresh correctly on that build? For instance, tangogps is unusable Aug 13 18:07:07 Torikun1: ok, I think I'll try that then, even though qtopia seems pretty stable atm... Aug 13 18:07:29 are there video playback yet? Aug 13 18:08:05 dunno Aug 13 18:08:18 Torikun1: and what about suspend? does it work/not brake sound Aug 13 18:08:26 works great Aug 13 18:09:08 How about GPRS? Aug 13 18:09:14 it worked Aug 13 18:09:23 Promising! Aug 13 18:09:46 indeed Aug 13 18:10:58 zork zork zork Aug 13 18:11:21 soep eet je met een Aug 13 18:11:25 Torikun1: How about GUI wifi handling? Aug 13 18:11:34 it has it Aug 13 18:11:36 works Aug 13 18:11:42 not unstable? Aug 13 18:11:48 :] Aug 13 18:12:19 Torikun1: you running it from flash or from SD? because somethimes 2008.8 corrupts my SD Aug 13 18:12:26 It's just as stable as all the openmoko developers here! ;) Aug 13 18:12:46 flash Aug 13 18:12:53 reflashing now actually Aug 13 18:13:11 flash it baby! Aug 13 18:13:21 Dave: 20080813 is released Aug 13 18:13:26 So? Aug 13 18:13:57 flash baby! Aug 13 18:14:03 crack Aug 13 18:16:42 are there any wiki pages on the daily builds? Aug 13 18:17:10 Latest_Images ? Aug 13 18:18:12 torikun does it have the tango or something? Aug 13 18:18:24 you have to install tango on all images Aug 13 18:18:28 ok Aug 13 18:18:39 i have the 0813 image Aug 13 18:21:23 Is someone interested in testing a zhone patch in order to fix a trac bug of fso milestone 3? Aug 13 18:22:09 i lost rimging asfter suspend Aug 13 18:22:13 n Aug 13 18:22:32 oo Aug 13 18:22:35 linuxxr: white screen ? Aug 13 18:22:41 it says vibrate only Aug 13 18:22:48 no Aug 13 18:23:01 linuxxr: how how long was it in suspend ? Aug 13 18:23:19 10 sec Aug 13 18:23:32 did you intentionally resume it ? Aug 13 18:23:35 i will test 2 minuits Aug 13 18:23:39 please do Aug 13 18:23:41 nope Aug 13 18:23:48 ok Aug 13 18:23:59 it resumed automatically after 10 seconds ! Aug 13 18:24:24 ? Aug 13 18:24:31 no Aug 13 18:24:41 ah you got a call ? Aug 13 18:24:44 flash is finishged Aug 13 18:25:13 settins suspend 10 sec Aug 13 18:25:37 linuxxr: I mean how long did it stay in suspend ? Aug 13 18:25:50 setting suspend 10 sec an will push power button after 1 mnin Aug 13 18:26:19 I don't get it .... I don't own a freerunner so I don't understand what would this do exacly Aug 13 18:26:21 exactly* Aug 13 18:26:52 shes out Aug 13 18:26:59 ! Aug 13 18:27:08 white screen ? Aug 13 18:27:14 nope Aug 13 18:27:18 black Aug 13 18:27:26 damn Aug 13 18:27:30 why Aug 13 18:27:40 isn't this bad ? Aug 13 18:27:48 what black screen are you talking about ? Aug 13 18:27:54 not in suspend its not Aug 13 18:28:11 ok ima press power Aug 13 18:28:35 to resume ? Aug 13 18:28:41 callimng phone Aug 13 18:29:06 works Aug 13 18:29:10 WHAT WORKS ? Aug 13 18:29:34 will you be a bit more desctptive ? Aug 13 18:29:38 descriptive* Aug 13 18:29:39 sound works still Aug 13 18:30:04 * CVirus jumps out of the window Aug 13 18:30:36 the sound still works when a woke the freerunner from suspend an recieved a call the sound worked Aug 13 18:31:08 for how many minutes was it in suspend ? Aug 13 18:31:28 ok i will check the sound while recieveing a call while in suspend Aug 13 18:31:40 1 minuit rember? Aug 13 18:31:53 linuxxr: wasn't this what you just did ? Aug 13 18:31:57 short term mem? Aug 13 18:32:10 read again Aug 13 18:32:19 is English your native language ? Aug 13 18:32:44 it was as u sugessted "i woke the freerunner an then called it Aug 13 18:32:49 ah ok Aug 13 18:33:03 now let's see if the incoming call will wake it properly or not Aug 13 18:33:37 ok its been sleeping for 3 min Aug 13 18:33:45 call me Aug 13 18:33:57 where do you live ? Aug 13 18:34:08 I can't make internation calls Aug 13 18:34:09 ever been snipe hunting? Aug 13 18:34:13 international* Aug 13 18:34:26 no Aug 13 18:34:41 lol Aug 13 18:35:32 well i shot 1 onch Aug 13 18:35:56 hehe Aug 13 18:36:09 linuxxr: did the bitch resume properly ? Aug 13 18:36:21 on the 080811 image i had my fr in suspend for 8 hours and it awoke to a call and worked fine Aug 13 18:36:29 so i assume the 080813 is just as good Aug 13 18:36:35 (if not better) Aug 13 18:36:38 Pyrasi: this sounds amazing Aug 13 18:36:57 lpotter: ping Aug 13 18:36:59 Pyrasi: how long will it last while suspend/resume is working properly ? Aug 13 18:37:31 with gsm on and in suspend...it looked like it was eating around 2-2.5% battery per hour Aug 13 18:37:43 hmm Aug 13 18:38:23 so pretty good id think. Aug 13 18:38:26 yeah Aug 13 18:38:35 it will get better by time I guess Aug 13 18:38:43 Pyrasi: you think it can be used reliably now ? Aug 13 18:38:43 Pyrasi, good? 2.5 % per hour aren't two days or am I wrong? Aug 13 18:38:50 on dialy basis I mean Aug 13 18:38:58 quickdev: 35-40 hours Aug 13 18:39:09 CVirus, yes Aug 13 18:39:44 i was using it as a phone for about 30 hours (i did recharge in that time frame) and it was working fine Aug 13 18:39:57 then i went and messed up by build...so im not sure if it would have kept working or not Aug 13 18:40:10 Pyrasi: how long does it take to fully charge it ? Aug 13 18:41:00 uhh...same as it does on all the other builds....just depends on what rate you tell it to charge it Aug 13 18:41:29 i was only charging it at 500 ma and had it on with no suspend so it wasnt charging very quickly Aug 13 18:41:39 I see Aug 13 18:42:11 somehow i doubt it would actually get 35-40 hours though....id say 30 hours would probably be the limit atm Aug 13 18:42:34 but it is certainly promising Aug 13 18:43:45 30 hours is not bad at all Aug 13 18:43:52 we're still in the very early stages Aug 13 18:44:15 CVirus, 30 hours is acceptable, for me :) Aug 13 18:44:19 same Aug 13 18:47:06 only problems i have found with the new images (after i downloaded the xglamo library for hardware accel) are: a.) sometimes gtk applications (namely tangogps) dont seem to refresh correctly....not sure why, b.) the resume seems to take longer to finish than on 2008.8, and c.) I cant figure out how to get the little wrench back at the top of illume for the config options! Guess I'll have to edit the edje file Aug 13 18:48:25 but most everything else works well. the gsmhandset.state file is set up much better by default....i didnt have to go in and edit it....calls sounded fine without me editing it. And the red light works correctly (being the most noticible). Oh and on the settings program, the wifi tab works. Aug 13 18:49:04 Pyrasi: did made a call to another cellphone? Aug 13 18:49:17 the other side always hears interference when I'm talking Aug 13 18:49:24 Pyrasi: how long does it take to resume ? Aug 13 18:49:24 Pyrasi: what build? Aug 13 18:49:43 080811 I guess Aug 13 18:49:47 about 3 seconds i think Aug 13 18:50:08 080811 upgraded to 080812 is what im using....but im sure 080813 will work fine too Aug 13 18:50:58 yea...i made a call. The interference has never been very bad for me though....but it was certainly less so.....but thats just because of the mods to the .state file im sure Aug 13 18:51:26 I never hear any interference, but the other side does :( Aug 13 18:51:40 Pyrasi: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080812/openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.tar.gz ? Aug 13 18:51:49 I've never had anyone complain about the interference very much. Aug 13 18:52:03 no Aug 13 18:52:24 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080813/openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 Aug 13 18:52:28 At least some of the GSM noise appears to be in hardware. See <000d01c8fc98dd03b60@STEVELAPTOP> on the hardware mailing list. The RF from the GSM modem is leaking into the audio path. No fix as yet has been worked out, engineers are working on this issue ATM. It's possible there may be a solution with copper-tape or similar. Aug 13 18:52:30 is what i would try were i you Aug 13 18:52:41 Pyrasi: thanks Aug 13 18:52:44 It's plausible that units vary in their sensitivity. Aug 13 18:52:45 hmm, I just flashed the 20080813 build and I can't seem to get usb network to work... "no route to host when trying to connect with ssh" Aug 13 18:52:52 reboot Aug 13 18:52:56 Also that it may vary depending on your distance to the GSM tower. Aug 13 18:52:57 it will work after reboot Aug 13 18:53:26 i think because the usb networking got moved to a module, it doesnt get loaded on first boot Aug 13 18:53:40 oh, ok:P Aug 13 18:54:55 but is the only way of shutting it down just holding the power button until it just cuts the power or whatever? Aug 13 18:55:04 yea.... =/ Aug 13 18:55:12 confidential: pulling the battery too Aug 13 18:55:18 thats another thing that is bad about this build....the external buttons dont do anything Aug 13 18:55:37 other than press to resume and hold to cut power Aug 13 18:55:45 the screen locking doesnt work Aug 13 18:56:46 someone explained this build to me as an abortion of FSO and ASU accidently built together....so you get the theme from FSO with alot of the ASU stuff. Aug 13 18:56:55 but hey....works alright for me =P Aug 13 18:57:06 ok its suspended lone enough Aug 13 18:57:31 20080813 Aug 13 18:57:42 30 minuits i guess Aug 13 18:58:02 ima gonna call ther device Aug 13 18:58:08 good luck =) Aug 13 18:58:54 should i bring it out first or try in suspend first? Aug 13 18:59:46 is running "opkg upgrade" frequently a good idea on the daily builds? Aug 13 19:00:05 have anyone of you ordered his FR from pulster.de? Aug 13 19:00:12 it worked while in suspend for 30+ minuits Aug 13 19:00:30 =) Aug 13 19:00:39 yea....i run opkg upgrade every night on mine Aug 13 19:00:58 no opkg yet at all Aug 13 19:01:16 make sure to opkg install xserver-kdrive-glamo when you flash that one btw Aug 13 19:01:22 it will speed up the rendering a bit Aug 13 19:01:48 any deficet? Aug 13 19:02:48 oh and if you want the graphical installer, it is installed, but the .desktop file sets it to load in the config menu which you cant get to. So you need to edit the /usr/share/applications/assassin.desktop and change to Categories:Office; Aug 13 19:02:53 or something of that nature Aug 13 19:03:33 i didnt upgrade the kernel Aug 13 19:04:09 well thats good to know Aug 13 19:04:47 i would upgrade the kernel too if i were you.....it seemed quite a bit more stable to me Aug 13 19:08:05 i can see me access point an someone elses Aug 13 19:08:30 i guess a web browser is in order Aug 13 19:08:40 minimo worked well for me Aug 13 19:08:46 wifi is working ? Aug 13 19:09:04 i was actually connected to a wireless network and chatting in irc on pidgin on my freerunner last night Aug 13 19:09:18 opkg update-upgrade will install all software including tango an such? Aug 13 19:09:24 no Aug 13 19:09:29 ok Aug 13 19:09:34 tango didnt work well for me Aug 13 19:09:40 unfortunately Aug 13 19:09:44 wifi-lint? Aug 13 19:09:50 cool Aug 13 19:09:51 or? Aug 13 19:10:09 lint-wifi runs...and see my AP...but i couldnt get it to connect to one Aug 13 19:10:14 cvirus are u a dev? Aug 13 19:10:16 i think it might because i dont know what button to press Aug 13 19:10:25 linuxxr: OM dev you mean ? no Aug 13 19:10:38 virus dev? Aug 13 19:10:42 no Aug 13 19:10:51 I know some python and java Aug 13 19:10:51 comon now Aug 13 19:10:54 ! Aug 13 19:11:03 echo "troll off" > linuxxr Aug 13 19:11:21 ahh Aug 13 19:11:30 i shut up Aug 13 19:11:44 please :-) Aug 13 19:12:06 lint-wifi has been on the back burner... i'll be porting it to c very soon and removing a lot of bloat Aug 13 19:12:33 ok Aug 13 19:13:13 ieatlint, how do you actually tell it to connect to an AP? Aug 13 19:13:38 you don't Aug 13 19:13:44 i can see my WEP AP, and i put in the passphrase....but it doesnt seem to connect....is there another button im supposed to press? Aug 13 19:13:46 lolol Aug 13 19:13:50 lol Aug 13 19:13:56 well that would explain it i guess Aug 13 19:14:02 no, it wouldn't :P Aug 13 19:14:13 there is a number of bugs, which is why it's not connecting Aug 13 19:14:28 but there is no "connect" button because there is no real connect option Aug 13 19:14:28 bug # 1 Aug 13 19:14:37 it's a front end for wpa_supplicant Aug 13 19:14:54 and wpa_supplicant works by going "ok, here is a list of aps i can connect to, which ones can i see" Aug 13 19:15:05 and it then pics an ap based on encryption and signal strength Aug 13 19:15:18 yay Aug 13 19:15:18 oh....so it wont work with WEP then? Aug 13 19:15:30 lint-wifi is supposed to aid in configuring APs that it can connect to Aug 13 19:15:35 no, it'll work with wep Aug 13 19:15:47 wpa_supplicant supports all wifi auth schemes, including none/open Aug 13 19:16:15 so can we have a wpa_supplicant:) Aug 13 19:17:12 anyway, part of me thinks i should abandon it and create a custom interface to network manager, as that's apparently what things are heading towards (2008.8 has netman, i'm told) Aug 13 19:18:22 I thought the future was connman? Aug 13 19:18:39 netmanager looks dumb ... connman looks dumb but less dumb Aug 13 19:19:07 i havent seen connman...but ive never thought netman looked dum Aug 13 19:19:21 ok, so I got no gsm dialog after boot. Is there a way to bring it up manually? Aug 13 19:19:34 gsm dialog? Aug 13 19:19:39 netman is as much a backend as a frontend Aug 13 19:19:44 ping dialog* Aug 13 19:19:48 pin** Aug 13 19:19:50 so if you mean literally "looks dumb", then a different frontend is what you want Aug 13 19:20:00 oh...i dont know anything about that...my sim doesnt have a pin Aug 13 19:20:26 confidential, try accessing the dialer Aug 13 19:20:39 i've heard of a bug where the pin dialog won't pop up until you do Aug 13 19:21:02 nothing wrong with that Aug 13 19:21:06 anyone here running his own opk feed server ? Aug 13 19:22:01 anyway, lint-wifi was put on hold due to pygtk's disappearance, and then by the possibility that it may be wholly useless in the near future Aug 13 19:22:21 i was going to but then i saw this dude(i think) with a name cvirus ,,,i got over it Aug 13 19:22:54 ieatlint: opening the dialer didn't give me the dialog. Neither did making a call(only got error message) Aug 13 19:23:06 linuxxr: what's with my nickname ? Aug 13 19:23:19 i scared Aug 13 19:23:28 confidential, what image are you using? (eg, 2008.8) Aug 13 19:23:32 better .. heh ? Aug 13 19:23:42 ieatlint: 20080813 Aug 13 19:24:04 http://www.nokia.com/A4879144 Aug 13 19:25:05 confidential, well, my only suggestion would be to try a reboot if you haven't already Aug 13 19:25:14 then try to open the dialer once more if it doesn't prompt Aug 13 19:25:31 sometimes a firstboot sets up configuration files and the like but doesn't immediately use them Aug 13 19:26:19 this was my second boot... Aug 13 19:26:37 well, then i dunno :P Aug 13 19:26:50 killer Aug 13 19:26:54 wait a few and repost the question here, or hit up the mailing lists Aug 13 19:51:43 is there any bug that include cpu spiking from events/0 ? Aug 13 19:54:39 %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND Aug 13 19:54:39 17.9 0.0 24:27.58 events/0 Aug 13 19:54:43 bad sign ? Aug 13 19:55:00 anyone else getting texts messages with content like this: @@#$ Aug 13 20:06:35 bipak_, i bought from pulster Aug 13 20:08:41 how do i get the freedom bt kb connected to the fr? Aug 13 20:14:19 i'm doing hidd --search and getting nothing Aug 13 20:14:22 returns immediately like the bt on the fr isn't actually scanning Aug 13 20:16:07 search the wiki for bluetooth keyboard Aug 13 20:18:52 Pyrasi: i did. that's where i got the command "hidd --search" from Aug 13 20:20:36 it looks like it's not powering up properly according to this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Power_it_up Aug 13 20:20:47 but idk how to troubleshoot now Aug 13 20:26:49 41.196.143.21 IS BLACKLISTED AT: Aug 13 20:26:49 A Info Aug 13 20:26:49 * sa-hil.habeaus.com 69.28.252.35 Aug 13 20:26:49 * flowgoaway.com 68.178.232.143 Aug 13 20:26:49 * formmail.relays.monkeys.com 127.0.0.1 Aug 13 20:26:50 * proxies.relays.monkeys.com 127.0.0.1 Aug 13 20:26:52 * pm0-no-more.compu.net 127.0.0.4 Aug 13 20:26:54 * spammers.v6net.org 64.27.5.243 Aug 13 20:26:56 * relays.ordb.org 127.0.0.2 Aug 13 20:26:58 * blackhole.compu.net 127.0.0.4 Aug 13 20:27:00 * proxies.monkeys.com 127.0.0.1 Aug 13 20:27:02 * block.blars.org 67.228.222.240 Aug 13 20:27:04 man Aug 13 20:27:33 ? Aug 13 20:27:55 wassup Aug 13 20:28:14 whats the best thing to run these days, still scaredy's image? Aug 13 20:28:32 i got qtopia on my neo1973 and still om2007.2 on my fr .. what should i try next? Aug 13 20:28:44 ideally, the same image/distro for both would be nice.. so .. scaredy? Aug 13 20:29:13 mee too Aug 13 20:31:08 fso? Aug 13 20:31:12 on SD? Aug 13 20:31:56 does anyone know how to turn off the wifi radio in qtopia? Aug 13 20:35:33 undrwater, sure, put it in a farady cage. Aug 13 20:36:28 *faraday Aug 13 20:36:43 yeah, ideally on SD would be nice .. Aug 13 20:36:57 ~seen ScaredyCat Aug 13 20:37:00 scaredycat was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 34d 10h 58m 21s ago, saying: 'igo stowaway polz'. Aug 13 20:37:05 TAsn: and wear tinfoil on my head? Aug 13 20:37:47 undrwater, no need for that since you will be outside of the cage only the moko will be inside. Aug 13 20:49:20 does bluetooth just not work in 2008.8? Aug 13 20:50:38 very little works in 2008.8 Aug 13 20:50:55 well bummer Aug 13 20:50:55 thats a possibility...i was having trouble with it the other day as well....thought i was just doing something wrong. Though its not 2008.8 that would have the problem...it would be the kernel id think. Aug 13 20:51:00 have you tried turning on the bt controller? Aug 13 20:51:33 ieatlint: i did this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Power_it_up Aug 13 20:51:37 which is too bad...cause before, my bt kb was working awesome on it Aug 13 20:51:49 both lines? the reset as well? Aug 13 20:52:04 ieatlint: yep Aug 13 20:52:26 they both return immediately Aug 13 20:52:32 and when you do "hcitool scan" does it try and search? Aug 13 20:52:42 if you do a "lsusb" on the FR, you should see such a line: Aug 13 20:52:43 Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode) Aug 13 20:52:57 ieatlint: returns immediately, no such device Aug 13 20:53:12 and "hciconfig hci0" ? Aug 13 20:53:15 Device is not available: No such device Aug 13 20:53:43 if not, it could be a usb problem or the device has no power Aug 13 20:53:43 Can't get device info: No such device Aug 13 20:54:00 yeah, the kernel modules aren't loaded most likely Aug 13 20:54:11 ieatlint: the usb kernel modules? Aug 13 20:54:22 the bluetooth kernel modules i would guess Aug 13 20:54:27 modprobe somethingbluetooth Aug 13 20:54:39 ieatlint: then, at least the usb device should show up in `lsusb` Aug 13 20:54:49 bluez i believe Aug 13 20:55:00 "modprobe bluetooth" Aug 13 20:55:05 Wonka: i think he wasn't addressing you at first Aug 13 20:55:10 and udev should load hci_usb automatically Aug 13 20:55:14 bluez is the stack, not the driver Aug 13 20:55:34 bluetooth and bluez not found Aug 13 20:55:59 when you upgraded to 2008.8, did you upgrade the kernel as well, or just the rootfs image? Aug 13 20:56:14 i flashed everything Aug 13 20:56:23 even u-boot Aug 13 20:56:53 well, you've something weird going on, and it's not 2008.8 Aug 13 20:57:10 interesting. i'll redo it all Aug 13 20:57:36 try just the kernel Aug 13 20:57:58 does anyone read me? ;) Aug 13 20:58:03 anybody knows matchbox-keyboard like program that could be transparent and cover the whole screen? Aug 13 20:58:14 or should i start hacking transparency support to matchbox-keyboard? Aug 13 20:58:19 the driver module for the usb bluetooth adapter hardware is named "hci_usb" Aug 13 20:58:25 hi all! Aug 13 20:58:29 lindi-: or a handwriting recognition that uses whole screen ;) Aug 13 20:58:36 undrwater: that too Aug 13 20:58:42 undrwater: but i feel qwerty will be faster Aug 13 20:58:43 and it should be loaded automatically by udev, as soon as the device shows up Aug 13 20:59:28 Wonka, i read you, but modprobe'ing bluetooth will do the same Aug 13 20:59:39 when you try to load it, it'll pull in the dependency modules Aug 13 21:00:04 lindi-: yep... Aug 13 21:00:11 ieatlint: er. hci_usb depends on bluetooth, not the other way around Aug 13 21:00:21 I'd like to switch back and forth (with a top shelp panel app) between the 2008.8 keyboardf and the matchbox keyboard. NOT cycle through it along with the 4 pieces 2008.8 has, but be able to choose it instead on the fly. arrow keys would be nice to repeat commands in ternal on the go Aug 13 21:00:21 hci_usb 13980 2 Aug 13 21:00:22 bluetooth 54400 9 bnep,rfcomm,hidp,l2cap,hci_usb Aug 13 21:00:22 http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8-gta02-20080808.uImage.bin to be sure, this is the right kernel, right? Aug 13 21:01:15 hah, oops :) Aug 13 21:03:11 so now I read Dave is going to fork the script I've been helping cga with....I hope the kids look like the script :-P Aug 13 21:05:00 Hey Info Aug 13 21:05:02 i guess nothing left to do but setup boot for qtopia Aug 13 21:05:05 Infoport.....i looked at the script earlier....it looked like it was just calling dfu-util....which i thought was determined wouldnt work to upload the rootfs partition... Aug 13 21:05:06 And lint Aug 13 21:05:24 So what's up with this, every time I get into work, my phone never wants to connect outbound via usb to the internet Aug 13 21:05:34 I set a new nameserver, and it just replies with bad address Aug 13 21:05:44 If I wait about 10-20minutes it just magically works then. Aug 13 21:05:54 Dave: ARP. Aug 13 21:05:57 What could account for that type of behavior? Aug 13 21:05:58 * ozzloy watches text fly by as the newly flashed kernel boots Aug 13 21:05:59 ARP? Aug 13 21:06:02 Dave: maybe Aug 13 21:06:04 What about it? Aug 13 21:06:09 Dave: can you ping your DNS thingy? Aug 13 21:06:10 But isn't that a bit egregious? Aug 13 21:06:12 Pyrasi: it definitely works to LOAD the rootfs, but backup was problematic (but doesnt necessarily fail) Aug 13 21:06:14 my dns thingy Aug 13 21:06:19 The nameserver address? Aug 13 21:06:21 Yes. Aug 13 21:06:29 I can ping remote locations, just not resolve them Aug 13 21:06:29 Dave: does it return name queries? Aug 13 21:06:34 Sorry I should have clarified that :) Aug 13 21:06:44 No, I can access external resources, just the resolver is fucked up. Aug 13 21:06:45 DaveLab: i have the same Aug 13 21:06:51 At home it resolves instantly. Aug 13 21:06:51 Dave: tcpdump -s999 -ni eth0 Aug 13 21:06:54 :| Aug 13 21:06:55 Dave: or something Aug 13 21:06:59 Speedevil, you mean usb0? Aug 13 21:06:59 Dave: 2008.8? Aug 13 21:07:03 No, 2007 Aug 13 21:07:06 20080813 is the best Aug 13 21:07:08 but only when connection to a windows xp machine and AFTER installing a sisco client for vpn connection Aug 13 21:07:08 The GOOD stuff. Aug 13 21:07:10 Infoport: yea...i meant to make a backup of the current rootfs.....whenever i try it it just errors out. Are you doing something different that is changing that? Aug 13 21:07:10 Dave: doesn't the neo side call it eth0? Aug 13 21:07:14 Shush torijkun Aug 13 21:07:21 I don't use windows Aug 13 21:07:30 lol Aug 13 21:07:32 me either Aug 13 21:07:37 Linux all around at home and work Aug 13 21:07:40 Dave: nope, you're right, it's usb0 Aug 13 21:07:56 :) Aug 13 21:08:00 tori did u use the.jffs2.summery? Aug 13 21:08:23 I use the jffs2 imaage, Inever read the summary Aug 13 21:08:27 Pyrasi: no, it has just worked for me. I havent re-flashed to check it, but it always seems to complete properly. It is done last though b/c 1)takes a long time, 2)some had gotten errors Aug 13 21:08:57 wtf Aug 13 21:09:14 the nameserver ACKs, then replies! but then the connection is refused back to the freerunner? Aug 13 21:09:31 it doesn;t like you, Dave Aug 13 21:09:38 Dave: wow, I havent had that problem with 2007 (but 2008.8 has given me issues) Aug 13 21:09:50 lpotter :( Aug 13 21:10:14 maybe it feels hurt because you are off forking other scripts Aug 13 21:10:22 how can you install all the packages that begin with openmoko- from opkg Aug 13 21:10:23 DaveLab: ACKs? Aug 13 21:11:02 Yep Aug 13 21:11:07 lpotter: are there tar.gz files to populate the SD card? Aug 13 21:11:10 DaveLab: isn't ACK one of the TCP flags? Aug 13 21:11:15 DaveLab: and DNS uses UDP? Aug 13 21:11:22 I was saying it's acknowledging the requests Aug 13 21:11:22 (mostly) Aug 13 21:11:24 I wish this GPS antenna didnt have a magnet...I dont want to stick it on my roof, and I dont want a magnet on a cord on my computer desk Aug 13 21:11:39 sorry if that was misleading :) Aug 13 21:11:46 IT GET QUERY Aug 13 21:11:49 http://images.google.co.uk/images?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q="Alize Cornet"&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi for reference. Aug 13 21:11:50 oops Aug 13 21:11:50 IT SEND REPONSE Aug 13 21:11:55 DENIED! Aug 13 21:12:11 DaveLab: can you see both on usb0? Aug 13 21:12:14 Man, that reminds me, I totally need to do a Q3 sound theme for the freerunner. Aug 13 21:12:18 Infoport: you can open it up and pull the magnet Aug 13 21:12:20 Lindi, via tcpdump, yes. Aug 13 21:12:26 DaveLab: ok Aug 13 21:12:32 DaveLab: rp_filter maybe Aug 13 21:12:38 but every time the dns server tries to send the response back to the freerunner it gets Connection Refused Aug 13 21:12:41 DaveLab: what does 'route -n' print on your freerunner? Aug 13 21:12:43 Infoport: Or more practucally, just glue it to a 8*8*8cm thing or so. Aug 13 21:12:45 Am I running iptables on the freerunner!? Aug 13 21:12:55 DaveLab: but connection refused is TCP term? Aug 13 21:12:58 how can you install all the packages that begin with openmoko- from opkg Aug 13 21:13:09 Dave: does your nameserver (router?) "know" your usb address? I told mine the mac address and defined it for the same internal IP that it already wants Aug 13 21:13:20 lindi-: IIRC nameservers can send 'go away' udp replies Aug 13 21:13:24 Info, no Aug 13 21:13:30 haha go away Aug 13 21:13:31 SpeedEvil: hmm? Aug 13 21:13:32 :) Aug 13 21:13:42 it just doesn't make sense Aug 13 21:13:57 ieatlint: now the bt shows for hciconfig ! Aug 13 21:13:58 SpeedEvil: care to point me to the RFC? Aug 13 21:14:13 usually I end up coming in the lab, adjusting the nameserver accordingly, and then leave it for twenty minutes or so, after which it usually 'works' Aug 13 21:14:17 it's very strange Aug 13 21:14:19 * SpeedEvil points to his head. Aug 13 21:14:21 IIRC Aug 13 21:14:23 [81795.855155] usb 5-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 35 Aug 13 21:14:27 [81796.269374] usb 5-1: device not accepting address 35, error -71 Aug 13 21:14:29 [81796.269426] hub 5-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1 Aug 13 21:14:32 error! Aug 13 21:14:46 SpeedEvil: glue it to a brick so the magnet wont reach...maybe the next one Aug 13 21:14:50 oooOOoooh, i can see other bt devices! Aug 13 21:15:10 * ozzloy googles 1337 bt for n00bs Aug 13 21:15:29 *refresh* Awww, still in Mississauga Aug 13 21:15:42 so I tried to use the same wpa_supplicant.conf on 2008.8, and it didnt work...got to learn how 2008.8 wants wifi Aug 13 21:15:42 ozzloy what did you do to get it working? Aug 13 21:15:54 Hello Montour Aug 13 21:16:02 howdy DaveLab Aug 13 21:16:10 Howdy ya'll Aug 13 21:16:17 hows yous alls doin here Aug 13 21:16:25 should 2008.8 wifi networking be different? Aug 13 21:16:37 or is it operator error? Aug 13 21:17:24 Wonka, you getting that usb error on your computer when you plug in the neo? Aug 13 21:17:37 torikun did u use openmoko-qtopia-x11/ Aug 13 21:17:42 ?/? Aug 13 21:18:16 http://pastebin.com/d1d0a15f4 Pyrasi not quite working Aug 13 21:18:28 i mean glibc or not Aug 13 21:18:33 Pyrasi: i reflashed the kernel. maybe before i was running the wrong kernel Aug 13 21:18:41 hmm Aug 13 21:18:47 what kernel did you flash to? Aug 13 21:18:54 woops. can i get help with this? http://pastebin.com/d1d0a15f4 Aug 13 21:18:59 ozzloy, that could be a pin error Aug 13 21:19:02 Pyrasi: hold on i'll find a link Aug 13 21:19:38 aparently websense blocks pastebin.....thats cool. Aug 13 21:19:52 Dave: next we need a script to automate mouting the jffs2 image (b/c I dont want to reflash it if I mess up alsa mixer state,etc, just mount and look at files Aug 13 21:20:06 Pyrasi: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8-gta02-20080808.uImage.bin Aug 13 21:20:14 k Aug 13 21:20:24 grr Aug 13 21:20:35 ozzloy, did you run passkey-agent? Aug 13 21:20:37 that's a direct link. take off the file name to get a dir listing Aug 13 21:20:41 ieatlint: nope Aug 13 21:20:53 look right above the hidd instructions on the wiki Aug 13 21:21:02 (note that 0000 may not be your keyboard's pin) Aug 13 21:21:05 Dave: that's ok...first this one, THEN the jffs2 mount util :-P Aug 13 21:21:25 ieatlint: i didn't set a passkey, so i hope it's 0000 Aug 13 21:21:54 odds are you can't set the pin... those kind of devices generally have a default pin, often 0000 or 1234 Aug 13 21:22:00 Dave: you know, I wouldnt be making so many backups if I weren't doing the script (like climbing a mountain-- because "its there") Aug 13 21:22:12 and of course ensure the device is in discovery mode when you try to connect :P Aug 13 21:22:46 http://pastebin.com/d16888994 how do i ensure the device is in discovery mode? Aug 13 21:22:49 ieatlint: yeah I love the security of those bt PINs Aug 13 21:23:03 Infoport, heh, the pin is useless Aug 13 21:23:09 only useful in discovery mode Aug 13 21:23:24 and bluetooth is notoriously a huge security hole with or without a custom pin Aug 13 21:23:47 ozzloy: the bt device prob has instructions, but my cheap Jabra with a big button has you hold the button for a long time until it is solid blue or something Aug 13 21:24:31 Is it possible to remove/replace the touch screen of the GTA02? Aug 13 21:24:58 Has anyone ever removed it from the mounting? Aug 13 21:25:03 Yeah it's really fucking weird Aug 13 21:25:11 half and hour later and nothing changed, it works. Aug 13 21:25:16 I blame everything. Aug 13 21:25:21 actually, I blame glamo :D Aug 13 21:25:24 a guy wanted a ride several blocks away as I left cigar store, but I just couldnt-- if one more person steal stuff from the back of car while I'm not watching, or tries to proposition me, or other scams, my wife will freak Aug 13 21:25:27 and php of course :P Aug 13 21:25:36 Infoport: well the packaging is elsewhere, so i'll have to retry later. Aug 13 21:25:40 thanks ieatlint Aug 13 21:25:42 Infoport :D Aug 13 21:25:59 Infoport, where is our orrery friend today? :) Aug 13 21:26:00 ozzloy: or look for online manual from mfg Aug 13 21:26:07 I need to ask him to commit my changes Aug 13 21:26:09 Infoport: genius! Aug 13 21:26:19 Dave: he must just come out at night Aug 13 21:26:31 ozzloy, well I dont know where my packaging is either Aug 13 21:26:40 Infoport: heh Aug 13 21:26:54 Dave: you know, like the moon ;-) Aug 13 21:28:10 Dave I wanted to see the stars too, but it has been too cloudy/rainy here (orrery still impresses everyone though) Aug 13 21:28:59 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration (from frustration) Aug 13 21:32:48 haha - SHIT Aug 13 21:32:50 root 1890 1886 0 14:00 pts/0 00:00:00 [Xglamo] Aug 13 21:33:35 does the qtopia image keep changing? the file is date 080808, but on their page it has a date underneath 2008/8/13 Aug 13 21:34:53 that date underneat just means when the update to the entry was made. I had to update the md5 sum Aug 13 21:35:13 lpotter thanks Aug 13 21:35:30 qutopia was nice Aug 13 21:35:35 lpotter, you are the sole qtopia maintainer? :O Aug 13 21:35:36 -u Aug 13 21:35:53 DaveLab: sure seems like it Aug 13 21:36:12 :) Aug 13 21:36:29 Fuck, so if Xglamo is defunct, that would account for X no longer responding, even after restarting it Aug 13 21:36:33 Do I have to reboot? Aug 13 21:36:59 goddamn glamo going blamo! Aug 13 21:37:08 lpotter md5s are sooo last year. you know they can fake those now right? Aug 13 21:37:08 bah! who needs X? Aug 13 21:37:38 Infoport: it is more for getting a complete download Aug 13 21:37:43 rather than security Aug 13 21:38:23 lpotter: just yanking your chain (a little) Aug 13 21:38:38 Thanks for your help, lpotter! Aug 13 21:38:51 By the way, while I've got you here within my grasps, lpotter... I heard there was a new qtopia release about Aug 13 21:39:09 lpotter although some now include SHA1 sums too Aug 13 21:39:11 So briefly tell me, what, if anything does it improve upon? Aug 13 21:39:21 What new and exciting features does it now additionally offer? Aug 13 21:39:26 md5 Aug 13 21:40:18 Dave wifi is fixed acc to site Aug 13 21:41:44 Yeah I heard that Aug 13 21:41:53 so that the internet setting menu doesn't freeze you Aug 13 21:42:03 however, there is still no browser Aug 13 21:42:18 I hear that's sleighted for the NEXT version (lame) Aug 13 21:42:28 and I couldn't get moz-pos-qt to build for it either Aug 13 21:42:32 some errors or something Aug 13 21:42:36 what else is new Aug 13 21:52:13 is video playback working in the daily builds? Aug 13 21:58:16 is there an IRC chat client for any of the phone distributions? I can browse web pages but I'm on here so much... Aug 13 21:58:30 Infoport: pidgin works Aug 13 21:58:39 xchat works Aug 13 21:58:58 freesmartphone.org: 03abraxa 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * ra810a555af87 10/opimd/pimd_contacts.py: Remove the stringified queries for the time being Aug 13 21:59:06 with 2007 and 2008.8? Aug 13 22:01:04 irssi works Aug 13 22:03:23 btw why does my freerunner with 2007.2 keeps putting the backlight on after it has been dimmed for let's say 5 minutes while being locked without me touching it? is that a known issue or is it only a thing I'm experiencing Aug 13 22:04:02 ok off to try more on my phone 1) install qtopia, 2)get wifi working on 2008.8, 3)IRC chat clients on FR Aug 13 22:04:11 later all ! Aug 13 22:04:22 Pjj: might be interesting to read that from the source Aug 13 22:05:29 how/where lindi- ? Aug 13 22:14:40 do you know C? Aug 13 22:15:59 I've done some simple programming of it yes, so if I understand you correctly it's been done by design or atleast it's a known thing Aug 13 22:17:45 Pjj: that seemed to happen in specific places on my desk. e.g. put FR on top of a mac mini and it would often believe that the screen had been touched. put it elsewhere and the issue stopped. Aug 13 22:18:56 yay for deep discharged batteries Aug 13 22:19:23 well I've put it on top of my bass, and also just on my desk (close to me though) so that could the thing, after sometime you can't activate it though anymore I've noticed by touching the screen and you have to press the power buton (yes I haven't had much experience yet with my freerunner) Aug 13 22:20:49 is video playback working? Aug 13 22:21:54 whoa matchbox is nice Aug 13 22:22:14 if name == "AUX" and action == "held" and seconds >= 3: Aug 13 22:22:15 os.system("matchbox-remote -next") Aug 13 22:22:29 makes it easy to have hidden root terminal that you can access by holding AUX :) Aug 13 22:25:05 accelometers would make this more interesting. imagine a root shell you can only access if you hold AUX down and shake the phone :P Aug 13 22:25:45 or only by being in a certain location ;) Aug 13 22:25:57 good idea Aug 13 22:27:42 now i only need the transparent landscape virtual keyboard Aug 13 22:29:43 What happened to all the 200807 stuff? Aug 13 22:31:41 :( Aug 13 22:31:47 * DaveLab throws freerunners at Xora Aug 13 22:35:16 shift-7 produces "?" even though display shows "/" in matchbox-keyboard Aug 13 22:35:19 any idea what's wrong? Aug 13 22:35:33 wat Aug 13 22:36:07 yeah, i have Aug 13 22:36:19 omg, xml? Aug 13 22:36:26 hallo? Aug 13 22:36:31 zomg zash. Aug 13 22:36:55 zash: matchbox keyboard layouts are configured like that Aug 13 22:37:17 * zash does not like xml Aug 13 22:37:58 it seems that most uses is overkill Aug 13 22:38:44 What the fuck does "Off Network" mean? o_O Aug 13 22:38:50 Strange... Aug 13 22:39:11 What's this in the topic? Aug 13 22:39:26 I just did an opkg upgrade using buildhost.openmoko.org and it seems to have worked Aug 13 22:40:05 So I've got a question Aug 13 22:40:12 I've got a data plan with my cell phone provider Aug 13 22:40:28 Any chance my FreeRunner can use that for IP connectivity? Aug 13 22:40:37 It seems to only want to talk through the USB tether Aug 13 22:41:27 oh Aug 13 22:41:37 sure Aug 13 22:41:51 you can probably accomplish that either by dropping the usb interface, or just futz with the routing table :) Aug 13 22:43:13 Ah Aug 13 22:43:34 I didn't mean that it preferred the usb tether to the GSM networking data doodah Aug 13 22:43:39 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS Aug 13 22:43:42 I meant I can't seem to get any other networking to work Aug 13 22:43:45 kd8ikt: grazie Aug 13 22:44:33 Oh, man, gotta love this phone Aug 13 22:45:08 So, 2008.8, all the scrolly stuff updates terribly Aug 13 22:54:37 hrm Aug 13 22:56:48 Zorkman, heer? Aug 13 22:56:49 freesmartphone.org: 03abraxa 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * re83b9b810c68 10/opimd/pimd_contacts.py: Aug 13 22:56:49 freesmartphone.org: Rename ContactEntry() to Contact() Aug 13 22:56:49 freesmartphone.org: Fix up class documentation in pimd_contacts.py Aug 13 22:57:37 hmm, how do i make Xglamo read touchscreen events from /dev/input/event1? it seems to have only event0 open Aug 13 23:03:22 lindi: Wish I knew :( Aug 13 23:10:47 bah Aug 13 23:25:10 haha, fuck Aug 13 23:25:25 busybox fucked me again Aug 13 23:25:40 I can't compile this module because ar -s :: invalid option, thanks busybox :) Aug 13 23:27:38 yeah, compiling for the neo makes you want to hurt someone ... badly Aug 13 23:28:35 i'm 90% through writing an app that will put a dot in the middle of the screen, and then move the dot based on the x,y of an accelerometer Aug 13 23:29:03 but i half expect the neo's graphics to crap out, even though i'm just drawing a 4x4 rectangle and moving it ... no pixmaps Aug 13 23:29:20 haha Aug 13 23:29:36 ieatlint: labyrinth v0.00.0a? :P Aug 13 23:29:42 :P Aug 13 23:29:47 that's what it sounds like anyway ;D Aug 13 23:30:16 a partner of mine in the lab the other day was like, yo check out how sweet and smoothly labyrinth runs on the iphone... Aug 13 23:30:31 I was like, man, if only the accelerometers worked on the freerunner :P Aug 13 23:30:31 maybe i'm making an etch-a-sketch where you draw by leaning the neo in one direction? Aug 13 23:30:38 Did you kick him in the goolies? Aug 13 23:30:42 sweet! Aug 13 23:30:53 ieatlint - go team! Aug 13 23:30:55 actually it's just a demo Aug 13 23:31:04 sort of proof of concept Aug 13 23:31:07 oh man Aug 13 23:31:12 I can see the aggravation now... Aug 13 23:31:16 It's not a demo, it's beta Aug 13 23:31:21 sokoban using accelerometers or something Aug 13 23:31:27 will release it... if i don't do something with it, might get someone else to do something Aug 13 23:31:28 haha or something! Aug 13 23:31:36 it's a demo Aug 13 23:31:41 ieatlint, did you ever get my messages/posts about the power apps? Aug 13 23:31:44 as in, it demonstrates the concepts and code to do it Aug 13 23:31:53 nope Aug 13 23:31:57 I had suggested modifications to your app :\ Aug 13 23:32:12 hmmm, let me see if i can dredge it up Aug 13 23:32:18 i ported it to c, btw Aug 13 23:32:24 uses half the memory Aug 13 23:32:29 * SpeedEvil notes FF3 strongly objects to the wiki certificate. Aug 13 23:33:09 (about 8 clicks past scary confusing dialogs) Aug 13 23:33:44 yeah, the expired certs are a joke now Aug 13 23:34:04 it's like a daily firealarm... when i really am being phished, i'll just override it anyway Aug 13 23:34:32 Did you hear about the phishers getting phished? Aug 13 23:34:48 DaveLab, how did you send me the messages? privmsg? Aug 13 23:35:22 I haven't seen any expired certs, just untrusted issuer (cacert.org) Aug 13 23:36:04 ieatlint, uhh publicly? :) Aug 13 23:36:06 i've no logs of you ever sending me a privmsg Aug 13 23:36:08 oh Aug 13 23:36:11 hah, nah I think I sent you private messages Aug 13 23:36:24 or something Aug 13 23:36:32 May I email you? Aug 13 23:36:44 You're sure fond of that word. Aug 13 23:37:01 yeah, but i actually set up a trac to hold all my random little programs Aug 13 23:37:18 http://lint.devjavu.com/ Aug 13 23:37:27 my email is ieatlint@tehinterweb.com Aug 13 23:37:27 :o Aug 13 23:37:46 and those who spam me will be punished Aug 13 23:37:53 when is 2008.8 going to be fixed to where the phone works or is it already? Aug 13 23:37:58 for every spam message i get, i downed a puppy Aug 13 23:38:05 drowned Aug 13 23:38:13 so think about that! Aug 13 23:38:22 :D Aug 13 23:38:49 haha cool Aug 13 23:38:51 batmon :) Aug 13 23:39:15 hehe, yeah, i didn't realise the pun until a bit after using it Aug 13 23:39:22 :P Aug 13 23:39:32 I still don't understand how you want me to get my suggestions to you? Aug 13 23:39:38 did you want me to write tickets or email you somehow? Aug 13 23:39:54 your choice Aug 13 23:40:01 I still can't find your email Aug 13 23:40:01 in general i'd say it makes sense to make tickets Aug 13 23:40:04 Do I require the blue key? Aug 13 23:40:08 oh, alright Aug 13 23:40:15 blue key? Aug 13 23:40:22 some secret source? Aug 13 23:40:29 goddamn hidden emails Aug 13 23:40:32 or I'm blind Aug 13 23:40:47 uhm, i just posted me email a min ago Aug 13 23:40:50 ieatlint@tehinterweb.com Aug 13 23:41:40 oh, right! Aug 13 23:41:43 that would make sense :) Aug 13 23:41:44 thanks Aug 13 23:41:50 I'll spam you later tonight :) Aug 13 23:41:54 ok Aug 13 23:42:03 Mostly I just had some resources to point you to, and a few valid suggestions. Aug 13 23:42:18 Furthermore, the fact you understand more german than I do should make things go quicker for you :P Aug 13 23:42:21 good, i prefer the valid ones Aug 13 23:42:23 Woo, go Lint! Aug 13 23:42:25 hah Aug 13 23:42:54 Though I'm still going to suggest you make the app icon a batman parody somehow :) Aug 13 23:42:59 maybe I'll even make one tonight :P Aug 13 23:43:19 I've been making icons for all the lame apps lacking one Aug 13 23:43:23 i suck at graphics Aug 13 23:43:25 I should probably post them Aug 13 23:43:28 they're not that bad Aug 13 23:46:09 gah, I have to mess with PostGIS again later :[ Aug 13 23:47:19 daily builds of thr 2008.8 release? Aug 13 23:48:02 or 30 day release intervels? Aug 13 23:50:41 So was all the 200807 stuff simply REMOVED from buildhost? Aug 13 23:53:29 i got some stuff Aug 13 23:54:15 im putting 2008.8 back on Aug 13 23:54:47 if i have to i get a cheap 10 dollar phone at walmart to cover me Aug 13 23:55:21 heh Aug 13 23:55:22 att go phone proly let me use my att sim Aug 13 23:55:29 yep Aug 13 23:55:38 9.95 Aug 13 23:55:45 and it works, for the most part :P Aug 13 23:55:50 (in the freerunner, that is) Aug 13 23:56:06 so are there any upgrades to the 2008.8 image? Aug 13 23:56:31 daily builds? Aug 13 23:56:55 come back tomorrow :P Aug 14 00:03:55 i like qtopia quite a bit.. best call quality out of the distros i've tried. 2007.2 i can barely hear the other person, until i hang up on them with my ear that is. even with all the recommended adjustments to gsm.handset. Aug 14 00:06:31 does FSO milestone 2 have the kernel patch for SD/GPS? Aug 14 00:06:36 will flashing the release image of 2008.8 give me opkg feeds that track the dailies? where can I find the daily releases? Aug 14 00:09:12 i dont know if there are any Aug 14 00:09:28 anybody have sound in 2008.8? Aug 14 00:11:33 I haven't been able to find any dailies of 2008.8, but I did see someone else in here the other night mention "tonight's -qtopia-x11" Aug 14 00:11:55 Yanroy: zecke just posted a message about that on the mailing lists Aug 14 00:12:10 rwhitby: oh... I'm a day or two behind on my ML reading Aug 14 00:12:20 about an hour ago Aug 14 00:12:35 rwhitby: so did he say where the dailies are, or that there aren't any? :D Aug 14 00:12:41 * Yanroy digs for the message Aug 14 00:12:49 he has put up temporary dailies Aug 14 00:14:03 rwhitby: the most recent search result for "zecke" in my RSS feed is 5 days ago Aug 14 00:14:23 rwhitby: could you give me a link to the thread on gmane? Aug 14 00:15:56 hey, who here uses debian on the moko? Aug 14 00:16:07 rwhitby: ok, I think I found it... I believe I understand the situation now Aug 14 00:16:20 I think I'll just flash the release version and wait for OM to get its act together with the buildhost Aug 14 00:16:30 hopefully the release version isn't terribly broken.. Aug 14 00:17:29 dingman, you about ? Aug 14 00:19:21 anyone here using latest from buildhost ? http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080813/ Aug 14 00:23:11 is it safe to use the latest uboot off buildhost with 2008.8? Aug 14 00:24:25 Yanroy: yes, AFAIK Aug 14 00:34:18 hipitihop i had it on this morning Aug 14 00:35:26 do i use that usb script in 2008.8? Aug 14 00:39:43 What's poppin' kiddies Aug 14 00:40:40 how does i connect to internet with usb on 2008.8:)? Aug 14 00:41:12 i see the scriph Aug 14 00:41:18 script Aug 14 00:41:36 is it same as before? Aug 14 00:41:40 People say it's teh broke Aug 14 00:41:45 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r70a05aaf38e2 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade to the latest stable kernel (hardware ecc preparations) Aug 14 00:41:45 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r45d8d6de5611 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add navit to the feed Aug 14 00:42:08 ok Aug 14 00:42:21 lol http://ubuntusatanic.org Aug 14 00:43:22 kd8ikt: nice Aug 14 00:43:30 pretty Aug 14 00:43:34 o.O Aug 14 00:44:10 rofl Aug 14 00:44:29 haha, Convenient how it's "SE" Aug 14 00:44:30 :P Aug 14 00:44:56 "Ubuntu SE is a Linux distribution based on Ubuntu. It brings together the best free software and free metal music on one CD." Aug 14 00:45:05 hahhahaha Aug 14 00:45:19 AhSUM Aug 14 00:45:34 in live too Aug 14 00:45:49 i just added their repo Aug 14 00:46:06 so which access to 2008.8? Aug 14 00:46:12 bluetooth? Aug 14 00:46:30 anything to get rid of this brown boring touchy feely comunity love ubuntu theme Aug 14 00:46:39 well, i got the accelerometer thing working... just has two issues :P Aug 14 00:46:45 SATAN Aug 14 00:47:11 Dave: tar it maybe ? Aug 14 00:47:17 the screen gets "corrupted" as it fails to properly redraw everything all the time, and there is no way to quit other than with a sigkill :P Aug 14 00:47:26 but the graphics can otherwise keep up! Aug 14 00:47:50 whatcha making/make there lint? Aug 14 00:48:13 a program that puts a dot on the screen and moves it based on data from an accelerometer Aug 14 00:48:25 hmm? Aug 14 00:48:31 ieatlint haha Aug 14 00:48:36 ieatlint: OMG OMG OMG!!! Aug 14 00:48:42 zash? Aug 14 00:48:47 * Dave sends zash SIGTRANQ Aug 14 00:48:57 * zash falls asleep Aug 14 00:49:05 what language Aug 14 00:49:16 * ieatlint sends zash SIGTAKEADVANTAGE Aug 14 00:49:18 dbmoodb, what were you referring to? Aug 14 00:49:24 zash :) Aug 14 00:49:25 good Aug 14 00:49:30 c, using the evas library Aug 14 00:49:55 eek thats that e17 crap eh? Aug 14 00:50:02 bleh :p Aug 14 00:50:16 cant say i'm a big fan of enlightenment Aug 14 00:50:18 i need to find what to use to redraw the screen Aug 14 00:50:37 kd8ikt, 2008.8 and fso use enlightenment (and evas for their gui) Aug 14 00:50:54 it's lightweight and has simple functions so that the graphics can be managed Aug 14 00:51:52 hm the battery indicator isn't that accurate Aug 14 00:51:59 in 2007.2 Aug 14 00:55:38 no kidding :P Aug 14 00:55:42 it's not supposed to be Aug 14 00:56:01 oh crap so wait ieatlint Aug 14 00:56:21 was it you I was talking to about usb keyboards and X? Aug 14 00:56:25 shit Aug 14 00:57:23 no, i don't think so Aug 14 00:59:59 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r068e73b0c5ff 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for alsa-oss Aug 14 01:00:00 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r60c64b9d3257 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for djvulibre Aug 14 01:00:00 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r17724237b828 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for dotconf Aug 14 01:00:01 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rbf89425ccd1b 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for espeak Aug 14 01:00:04 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rcc8ecb33013a 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for flite Aug 14 01:00:07 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rf911fd8e739b 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for navit Aug 14 01:00:10 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r49bc7f5a17d4 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for portaudio Aug 14 01:00:13 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r6a7b01c3fbc6 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for speech-dispatcher Aug 14 01:01:10 i take it youre already reading http://docs.enlightenment.org/api/evas/html/ ieatlint Aug 14 01:01:25 indeed Aug 14 01:02:40 was it you then kd8? :P Aug 14 01:04:43 heh that doc sucks Aug 14 01:04:51 everything is under TODO Aug 14 01:04:59 yup Aug 14 01:05:04 lots of stuff.. to do Aug 14 01:05:26 :P Aug 14 01:05:30 raster :) Aug 14 01:05:31 u do get a full api doc tho Aug 14 01:05:38 better than nothing :) Aug 14 01:05:41 ie al calls and short descriptions Aug 14 01:05:44 its not a FULL doc Aug 14 01:05:51 but its enough of a mist-clearer Aug 14 01:05:52 it's better than NDA Aug 14 01:05:54 :P Aug 14 01:05:55 right Aug 14 01:09:36 Oh and raster Aug 14 01:09:57 Whatever keyboards you propone better fucking have a shift lock or else... Aug 14 01:11:22 Dave: shift lock? Aug 14 01:11:50 SO YOU CAN IRC IN ALL CAPS! ELEET! Aug 14 01:11:52 :) Aug 14 01:14:13 yeah, the docs are very brief :P Aug 14 01:14:17 i'm working through it Aug 14 01:14:21 EAPI void? Aug 14 01:14:21 learning, so it's all good Aug 14 01:15:07 EAPI void function() --- means it's part of the eapi and it has a void return type Aug 14 01:15:21 EAPI == "external api" Aug 14 01:15:23 ignore the EAPI Aug 14 01:15:27 its a macro Aug 14 01:15:31 well look at it Aug 14 01:15:43 but efl has suported gcc';s visibliity extensions for many years Aug 14 01:15:49 so u can hide all internal symbols of a lib Aug 14 01:16:01 the idea being - if its maked with EAPI its a symbol you are meant to know about and be able to use Aug 14 01:16:08 if its not.. don't touch it Aug 14 01:16:10 even if u find it Aug 14 01:21:02 so is there a way for me to get my 2007.2 contacts into 2008.8? Aug 14 01:21:11 I backed up all the evolution stuff (entire home director) before flashing Aug 14 01:23:32 not that i know of Aug 14 01:23:36 2008.8 uses qtopia Aug 14 01:23:46 so its mysql databases that have contacts Aug 14 01:23:52 from there on in.. cant help Aug 14 01:24:14 (not that i like it myself either... but thats how the qtopia dice rolls... ljp might be able to help) Aug 14 01:25:49 well, it should be possible, even if there aren't scripts available to do it, right? Aug 14 01:26:07 I need to extract the data from evolution (how's that stored?) and then insert it into the db Aug 14 01:27:06 bluetooth, or someone wrote a script for a vcard Aug 14 01:27:08 woot Aug 14 01:27:14 dictionary is back and cooking in illume Aug 14 01:27:40 is woot in your dictionary? Aug 14 01:29:08 dunno Aug 14 01:29:13 but if i type it Aug 14 01:29:26 and select it from the match list (The long scrollable menu one) Aug 14 01:29:28 it gets added Aug 14 01:29:29 :) Aug 14 01:34:20 is there a way to install terminal to the release Aug 14 01:35:17 yes Aug 14 01:35:20 opkg install vte Aug 14 01:35:48 i cant seem to network the 2008.8 Aug 14 01:40:42 i need a terminal Aug 14 01:41:25 man Aug 14 01:46:27 qtopia has a terminal :) Aug 14 01:48:15 not installed by default it doesn't Aug 14 01:52:09 does 2 Aug 14 01:52:19 well Aug 14 01:53:34 ljp: is openmoko allowed to use the qtopia name in their qtopia-x11 image names? to me it seems confusing ... Aug 14 01:54:15 not sure, but agree it is confising Aug 14 01:54:19 confusing Aug 14 01:54:42 seeing as qtopia is really the launcher :) Aug 14 01:55:12 the latest qtopia is too cool Aug 14 01:55:30 but ima stay with 2008.8 Aug 14 01:59:02 why? Aug 14 01:59:51 I'm just trying 2008.8 now, I cant even get the KB to switch Aug 14 01:59:55 we want free software Aug 14 02:00:04 qtopia is free Aug 14 02:00:18 rack up with your finger Aug 14 02:00:25 rake Aug 14 02:00:49 some is propritory Aug 14 02:00:50 rooly|away: there is a term on the qtopia image Aug 14 02:00:52 were the hell is the backspace key? Aug 14 02:01:02 linuxxr: none of qtopia is proprietary Aug 14 02:01:14 hmm Aug 14 02:01:18 :) Aug 14 02:01:54 i read somewher that it does have non free software in it maybe im mistaken Aug 14 02:03:25 rake left an right with your finger Aug 14 02:04:03 hold the stylus on the letter so to cause the mag to come out Aug 14 02:05:55 how do you can kb's in 2008.8? Aug 14 02:06:34 keyboard's Aug 14 02:07:58 what/ Aug 14 02:09:55 it works :-) Aug 14 02:10:02 wooo Aug 14 02:10:03 got a date Aug 14 02:10:04 maybe Aug 14 02:10:05 I just have that default shitty kb in 2008.8 where is the backspace? Aug 14 02:10:05 again Aug 14 02:10:34 slide left ...? Aug 14 02:10:35 rake up 2 times Aug 14 02:10:50 or down Aug 14 02:11:10 it really works well Aug 14 02:13:42 it does Aug 14 02:14:28 i watched my movie Aug 14 02:14:31 woo hoo Aug 14 02:14:32 p2p gtw Aug 14 02:14:33 well i guess it looks good Aug 14 02:14:34 ftw Aug 14 02:15:06 rooly would u help us get networked in 2008.8? Aug 14 02:15:24 i can try... Aug 14 02:15:33 i use a chain of 3 commands Aug 14 02:15:42 cd into my OM project directory Aug 14 02:15:49 run a little shell script Aug 14 02:15:55 and then i can ssh into it Aug 14 02:16:30 i'll post my script Aug 14 02:16:35 good Aug 14 02:16:36 taking almost directly from the wiki Aug 14 02:16:50 usb networking? Aug 14 02:17:06 http://rafb.net/p/2GHxSI10.html Aug 14 02:17:07 yeah Aug 14 02:19:24 root to run script/ Aug 14 02:19:42 or just use sudo Aug 14 02:19:43 but yeah Aug 14 02:20:02 if your not on a sudo-ed system, remove those commands and run it as root Aug 14 02:23:05 NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 5699 tasks of which 5522 didn't need to be rerun and 0 failed. Aug 14 02:23:21 how do you complete 5699 of 5522 tasks? Aug 14 02:24:24 connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host Aug 14 02:24:39 did you boot your om with the usb plug in Aug 14 02:24:48 mmmm Aug 14 02:25:00 that's how i solved my connection issues Aug 14 02:25:01 i will Aug 14 02:29:55 still nothing Aug 14 02:31:26 can you even ping it? Aug 14 02:32:22 nope Aug 14 02:33:10 root@monster:/home/brian# ping -c 4 192.168.0.202 Aug 14 02:33:10 PING 192.168.0.202 (192.168.0.202) 56(84) bytes of data. Aug 14 02:33:10 From 192.168.0.102 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable Aug 14 02:33:10 From 192.168.0.102 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable Aug 14 02:33:10 From 192.168.0.102 icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable Aug 14 02:33:10 From 192.168.0.102 icmp_seq=4 Destination Host Unreachable Aug 14 02:34:11 can you connect to wifi? Aug 14 02:34:12 * kd8ikt leaps out and stabs linuxxr Aug 14 02:34:22 im a noob Aug 14 02:34:38 ok paste.bin Aug 14 02:34:56 i wish Aug 14 02:35:15 arrrgggg Aug 14 02:36:15 anyone know whats up with pic 1171 and 1170 at /scap.linuxtogo.org/ Aug 14 02:38:03 http://beagleboard.org/ Aug 14 02:40:12 interesting Aug 14 02:42:14 finally Aug 14 02:42:33 i ran 2 scripts Aug 14 02:42:35 what'd you do, exactly linuxxr Aug 14 02:43:05 well i removed sudo from your script Aug 14 02:43:21 then ran it an got nothing Aug 14 02:44:40 http://pastebin.com/d10d7074d Aug 14 02:45:57 lots of stupid stuff there Aug 14 02:46:42 myscript is an older script than script Aug 14 02:46:58 rooly gave me script Aug 14 02:47:51 linuxxr, heya Aug 14 02:47:57 lindi-, you there? Aug 14 02:48:05 of course when i got the rsa warning i deleted the revelant entry in ssh in my home dir Aug 14 02:48:14 linuxxr, heya Aug 14 02:48:18 linuxxr, what's the issue? Aug 14 02:48:35 usb networking the 2008.8 Aug 14 02:48:44 not an issue its me Aug 14 02:48:45 Sargun: where do you start? Aug 14 02:48:57 Stroller, huh? Aug 14 02:49:05 linuxxr, "ifconfig usb0" gives you what? Aug 14 02:49:07 operator malfunction i think Aug 14 02:49:15 Damn, apple HQ didn't burn down. Aug 14 02:49:19 linuxxr, "ifconfig usb0" gives you what? Aug 14 02:49:27 linuxxr, what distro? Aug 14 02:49:30 im in now Aug 14 02:49:55 ok.... Aug 14 02:49:57 Great. Aug 14 02:50:01 Well, ifconfig & iptables aren't found by his script, but we can't see the body of that script, Sargun, just for a start Aug 14 02:50:05 read pastebin Aug 14 02:50:14 Stroller, because he was stupid and " well i removed sudo from your script" Aug 14 02:50:21 I use the word "stupid" lightly Aug 14 02:50:39 just did it as root instead Aug 14 02:50:41 same effect Aug 14 02:50:43 an ran as root im so stupid Aug 14 02:50:44 We don't get to see the ifconfig of the other interfaces, I don't think Aug 14 02:50:56 Sargun: no that would give a permissions denied Aug 14 02:51:02 Stroller, No.... Aug 14 02:51:02 It's a paths problem Aug 14 02:51:04 sh: ifconfig: command not found Aug 14 02:51:11 How did he turn into root? Aug 14 02:51:15 Did you ask him that? Aug 14 02:51:17 su Aug 14 02:51:19 su - Aug 14 02:51:23 Is the right way. Aug 14 02:51:25 Hun. Aug 14 02:51:37 yup Aug 14 02:51:40 i did Aug 14 02:51:42 Sargun: it doesn't matter. He doesn't give enough information. That's why I said "where do you start" Aug 14 02:51:44 mame Aug 14 02:51:49 (ps: I'm right, you're wrong) Aug 14 02:51:54 * rooly|away sighs Aug 14 02:51:57 he's got it working Aug 14 02:52:05 yes i does Aug 14 02:52:09 Stroller, good point. Aug 14 02:52:15 which module is loader for the wifi? Aug 14 02:52:22 loaded* Aug 14 02:53:45 * Stroller <3s Bash "HISTCONTROL=erasedups" Aug 14 02:55:53 anyone know if I can create a directory structure in 2008.8 i've installed many programs and the front page is too full now, any suggestions? Aug 14 02:59:01 railer u got wifi working? Aug 14 02:59:50 if so --how **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 14 02:59:57 2008