**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 14 02:59:57 2008 Aug 14 03:00:22 Stroller, thanks for the hint. Aug 14 03:00:33 linuxxr: i have a wifi script plus a wpa_supplicant Aug 14 03:00:36 Which one was that? Aug 14 03:00:42 * Stroller is full of 'em tonight Aug 14 03:01:11 Stroller, does it erase adjacent duplicates only? Aug 14 03:01:41 (ps: I'm still right about the ifconfig & iptables errors in linuxxr's pastebin being path-related) Aug 14 03:01:57 Sargun: seems like it only checks for duplicates when you use them Aug 14 03:02:09 Stroller, heh. Aug 14 03:02:25 Stroller, usually when you "su -" it sets the PATH correctly. Aug 14 03:02:37 Ah! Aug 14 03:03:25 I think my root & user $PATHs are generally the same Aug 14 03:03:45 IMO a script should use full paths Aug 14 03:04:06 linuxxr: railer u got wifi working? = gonna try now Aug 14 03:04:10 Possibly defined as $iptables (or whatever) so that you don't have to use them everytime Aug 14 03:04:53 Anyway ... if you've just started using HISTCONTROL=erasedups" (precede it by "export", but it in .bashrc) then your current history will sorta gradually clear up Aug 14 03:04:58 It seems Aug 14 03:06:23 I use "\! \w $" (plus colors) for my bash prompt, so I keep seeing the number of lines in the history buffer drop every time I enter one of my favorite commands Aug 14 03:12:20 ok rooly whip that stuff out Aug 14 03:12:47 my wifi code? Aug 14 03:12:49 script Aug 14 03:12:51 okk Aug 14 03:13:16 Railer! Aug 14 03:13:31 no word on when the next shipment will be, i am guessing it is cause of China and the Olympics Aug 14 03:13:58 i know the badges were late for defcon 16 Aug 14 03:14:03 put on hold till next year oooo NOOOOS Aug 14 03:14:12 linuxxr: seriously Aug 14 03:14:13 ? Aug 14 03:14:23 ieatlint, what's new? Aug 14 03:14:28 i dont really know Aug 14 03:15:17 can i have some wpa)supplicant? Aug 14 03:15:50 no none for you Aug 14 03:15:53 :p Aug 14 03:16:00 hah :p Aug 14 03:16:03 naggggit Aug 14 03:16:05 now now Aug 14 03:16:14 nangitt Aug 14 03:16:44 those damn engineers are at it again Aug 14 03:17:26 Dave, i've the programming working when the accelerometer is set to 8g Aug 14 03:17:37 i still need to setup a UI so it i can quit it :P Aug 14 03:17:43 http://rafb.net/p/fLT9Ib77.html linuxxr Aug 14 03:17:44 hay 3 billion chinese can be right Aug 14 03:17:58 thanks Aug 14 03:18:30 so i need to get it working with the accelerometer at 2g (8g is easier, since it generally only reports values of -180 to 180 in increments of 16) Aug 14 03:18:55 (which makes it look really choppy as it jumps 16 pixels at a time) Aug 14 03:21:50 8g? Aug 14 03:21:59 What are we talking about now? Gravity? :P Aug 14 03:22:25 the accelerometers have two precision modes, 2g (default) and 8g Aug 14 03:22:43 for when your in the middle of a dogfight and want to debug your freerunner? Aug 14 03:22:47 that i did not know Aug 14 03:22:50 :P Aug 14 03:22:57 BLASTOFF! Aug 14 03:23:05 Oh, btw, you're perpendicular :P Aug 14 03:23:06 8g is way less precise, but i can just graph the coords it gives without anything extra Aug 14 03:23:09 right Aug 14 03:23:14 nice Aug 14 03:23:30 I still say DocScrutinizer was right, gyros ftw. Aug 14 03:23:46 yeah, but a gyro would've cost a lot more :P Aug 14 03:23:56 they're like $70 or something Aug 14 03:24:23 nah Aug 14 03:24:32 but will get much more economical soon Aug 14 03:24:40 Joerg made a whole big speech about this some time ago :) Aug 14 03:25:43 aaal most.... Aug 14 03:25:47 gta03 then :P Aug 14 03:25:48 aaaalllllmmmmoooossstttt... Aug 14 03:52:56 which is more stable at the moment, FSO or 2008.8? Aug 14 03:53:10 i installed qtopia only to find the keypad doesnt work during a call Aug 14 03:53:22 problematic Aug 14 03:53:34 i thought it did work Aug 14 03:54:16 was there not a tab to pull the keypad out from the call menu Aug 14 03:55:13 sweet Aug 14 03:55:37 hmm Aug 14 03:55:38 once i was able to boot with the new batteries, i was able to get the device into fast charge mode and it refreshed my failed battery Aug 14 03:55:49 success! Aug 14 03:57:36 yeah, no, the keypad comes out, i flick it right or left to change mode and it moves down so only half of it is visible, and none of it works Aug 14 03:57:41 unless i'm just not getting it. Aug 14 04:01:20 weird its working now Aug 14 04:02:26 odd an slo setup Aug 14 04:02:36 but it does work Aug 14 04:06:34 MUHAHAHAHA Aug 14 04:06:44 let there be.. happiness! Aug 14 04:06:49 vkbd done Aug 14 04:07:16 and i just need to setup a way to quit this program and it's essentially done Aug 14 04:07:43 somehow i'm betting my accomplishment fails in comparison to yours Aug 14 04:10:18 raster yai! Aug 14 04:11:40 just building myself a new image Aug 14 04:11:50 illume kbd now lets u switch not only layouts Aug 14 04:11:55 and write your own .kbd layout files Aug 14 04:12:03 but also let us generate your own dictionary files Aug 14 04:12:09 anmd flip language/dicts on the fly Aug 14 04:12:16 dicts suport eithe rplay unix dict style Aug 14 04:12:41 ie 1 word per line (tho illume requires they be sorted ignoring case) Aug 14 04:12:52 nice Aug 14 04:13:01 (so u need to take a system dict file and 'sort -f' it) Aug 14 04:13:07 i liked that about my nokia... could switch languages on the fly Aug 14 04:13:08 so any unix dict file can be used Aug 14 04:13:20 drop it in therfe after a sort -f as Mylanguage.dic Aug 14 04:13:26 but even better Aug 14 04:13:33 it ALSo supports.. frequency tables Aug 14 04:13:39 nice Aug 14 04:13:45 egL Aug 14 04:13:51 a 23363 Aug 14 04:13:51 abandoned 25 Aug 14 04:13:51 Abel 20 Aug 14 04:13:51 ability 74 Aug 14 04:13:51 able 216 Aug 14 04:13:52 aboard 25 Aug 14 04:13:54 about 1815 Aug 14 04:13:55 how about a way to override dctionary suggestions? Aug 14 04:13:58 so same format basically as a unix dict Aug 14 04:14:02 BUT a space Aug 14 04:14:04 then a number Aug 14 04:14:04 where is the terminal program for 2008.8? Aug 14 04:14:11 the higher the number the "more used" the word is Aug 14 04:14:16 am i just missing it? Aug 14 04:14:20 so if u want Aug 14 04:14:22 wqrite some perl Aug 14 04:14:27 to trawl the web Aug 14 04:14:30 or your docuemnts Aug 14 04:14:31 or emails Aug 14 04:14:34 and genarate a dict file Aug 14 04:14:42 with frequency of word occurance there Aug 14 04:14:54 so the dict matching is better as more common words will match more accurately Aug 14 04:15:06 i provides a small sample file for a us english dict Aug 14 04:15:25 (theres 2 english dicts - normal 98,000 entry one and a 5000 entry one with frequency info) Aug 14 04:15:30 as for override Aug 14 04:15:33 u have a personal dict Aug 14 04:15:39 anything you enter goes into the personal dict Aug 14 04:16:02 and its saved separately in ~/.e/e/dicts-dynamic Aug 14 04:16:11 u'll see a personal.dic file appear Aug 14 04:16:18 illume handles writign toit keepign it sorted etc. Aug 14 04:16:27 and keeps a frequency usage count there too Aug 14 04:16:34 it always takes preference over the system dict Aug 14 04:16:50 so baiscally the thing will learn and be trained by your usage Aug 14 04:16:59 the result of trainign is a simpel text file u can edit Aug 14 04:17:01 or copy around Aug 14 04:17:02 etc. Aug 14 04:17:20 u can install personal dictionaries in ~/.e/e/dicts/ too that take preference over system dictsa Aug 14 04:17:22 :) Aug 14 04:17:54 impressive Aug 14 04:18:46 not really Aug 14 04:18:53 just what is needed Aug 14 04:18:56 and users really want Aug 14 04:19:00 i wasnt finished Aug 14 04:19:13 the terminal kbd layout bypasses the dictionary Aug 14 04:19:22 so u wont get issues with it trying to correct your termnal commands Aug 14 04:19:32 but i'll need steady fingers/fingernails or a stylus Aug 14 04:19:47 as fittign in al the extar symbol and number and whatever chars makes it cramped Aug 14 04:20:16 anyway Aug 14 04:20:22 the illume kbd is now up to snuff Aug 14 04:20:26 as i had intended Aug 14 04:20:30 it has only 1 small issue Aug 14 04:20:40 it may not quite handle utf8 intl chars right in dictionary matching Aug 14 04:20:49 i hve most of that done properly.. i think Aug 14 04:20:54 but not really tested Aug 14 04:21:04 now i can write a wiki page about it all... Aug 14 04:21:14 but first.. reflahs and look at thins connman.wifi goop Aug 14 04:27:51 yay the installer is updating Aug 14 04:27:56 goop. is that a technical term? Aug 14 04:30:37 finally Aug 14 04:36:13 OM needs to build prelink Aug 14 04:36:52 now prolly they come out with an updated fix but it is a learning experience anyways Aug 14 04:38:02 ljp: bah humbug.. prelink shmelink... (unless you like c++!) Aug 14 04:38:02 :) Aug 14 04:40:21 well, you habe to admit, prelink is a pretty cool trick Aug 14 04:40:26 have Aug 14 04:41:16 interesting trick... Aug 14 04:41:20 but does lead to... issues Aug 14 04:41:53 ljp you may try to cleanup your code and use the toolchain a bit better before doing that... Aug 14 04:42:06 my code Aug 14 04:43:10 and if yo uhave suggests on how to use the toolchian a it better i am all ears Aug 14 04:44:09 lu_zero: c++... there is no cleaning it up :) Aug 14 04:44:19 the compiler generates a veritable mountain of mangles symbols Aug 14 04:44:35 thats kind of theprice u pay for all the oo/features it gives u Aug 14 04:44:37 raster I was more thinking about braindamaged C Aug 14 04:44:44 in c - u explicitly create symbols. Aug 14 04:45:00 lu_zero: oh no - ljp works for troll.. err. nokia/.. qt. it's c++ Aug 14 04:45:10 ahh Aug 14 04:45:23 c - even if braindamagesd barely scrapes the bottom of the # of symbols c++ generates Aug 14 04:45:30 i haveplayed with prelink with c Aug 14 04:45:42 and have found ti to be "neglegable" in terms of help Aug 14 04:45:43 if any at all Aug 14 04:45:50 i couldnt even reliably measure a speedup Aug 14 04:46:04 iyt was not worth it in tersm of the added pain/breaks/complexity Aug 14 04:46:14 i cant say one way or another for c++ Aug 14 04:46:20 but i hear ist "the shit" for that Aug 14 04:46:21 I see Aug 14 04:46:48 i've been using the gcc visibility flags for years anyway in my c Aug 14 04:46:53 so i doubt it really can help much Aug 14 04:47:01 well not me Aug 14 04:47:10 using visibility and doing symbol accounting helps a lot =P Aug 14 04:47:30 I would tihnk it wouldn't matter on a system with flash storage, with seek times to load in the dynamic libraries essentially zero. (...making little different if the libs are 'inside' the executible, or on disk) Aug 14 04:50:26 baird: u havent done flash benchmarks on the freerunner Aug 14 04:50:27 sure Aug 14 04:50:33 seek time are not to bad Aug 14 04:50:34 BUT Aug 14 04:50:39 IO throughput... Aug 14 04:50:41 the installer on 2008.8 how do i scroll the maps down or up? Aug 14 04:50:42 * raster giggles Aug 14 04:51:06 lu_zero: as i siad.. i've done some benchmarkign and found it basically to not help me :( Aug 14 04:51:07 it just wiggles there Aug 14 04:52:31 synbol visibility helps heaps in qtopia Aug 14 04:52:36 raster then you wrote your code optimally from start Aug 14 04:53:25 ljp: yeah... c++ mangling goop :) Aug 14 04:54:35 funny how that c++ mangling goop is faster than that gtk++ poop Aug 14 04:55:14 never seen a benchmark Aug 14 04:56:25 a year or two ago I blogged about startup times in qtopia vs gpe Aug 14 04:56:35 oooh Aug 14 04:56:42 not sure thats really mangling goops related Aug 14 04:56:43 with comparable apps calender vs calender Aug 14 04:56:49 more just gtk silliness and other silliness Aug 14 04:57:06 i've seen enough silliness around before to be sure its NOT symbol stuff Aug 14 04:57:06 :) Aug 14 04:57:36 lik4e excessive round trips to x for one Aug 14 04:57:43 i recently found utter silliness in ecore_x Aug 14 04:57:49 i was doing 250 or so round trips on init Aug 14 04:57:54 i cut that down to 1 Aug 14 04:57:58 my bad Aug 14 04:58:02 mea culpa Aug 14 05:07:21 when are you going to make an efl only phone gui? Aug 14 05:09:01 right after jeb bush gets elected Aug 14 05:09:14 it'll be a cold day in texas that day Aug 14 05:10:00 isn't fso essentially efl? Aug 14 05:10:16 hmm Aug 14 05:18:33 FSO looks so cool. Aug 14 05:18:42 EFL? Aug 14 05:22:13 eclectic foundation libraries Aug 14 05:22:25 ja Aug 14 05:22:26 raster: any idea how open the qualcomm snapdragon chip mentioned on the mailing list is? Aug 14 05:22:32 haha, eclectic, nice Aug 14 05:22:42 * doc|home takes the gun from raster Aug 14 05:22:49 doc|home: no idea. its qualcomm. not the beacon of openness Aug 14 05:22:51 :) Aug 14 05:22:56 aye, thought so :-/ Aug 14 05:23:00 all i know if what you know Aug 14 05:23:05 the list of specs they put up on their site Aug 14 05:23:15 i heard s rumor the gfx unit is ati based Aug 14 05:23:16 he mentions "linux support", whatever that means Aug 14 05:23:22 but that may or may not have any truth to it Aug 14 05:23:26 sure Aug 14 05:23:28 linux support Aug 14 05:23:31 if u sign nda's Aug 14 05:23:36 and closed drivers for anythign thatcan be closed Aug 14 05:23:41 of course... Aug 14 05:24:01 yeah, thought as much Aug 14 05:26:08 * ljp thinks enlightenment needs a better default theme/colors Aug 14 05:26:44 ljp: basing on what sample? Aug 14 05:27:47 based on what my eyes can stand :) Aug 14 05:28:09 Just ran bonnie++ on my Neo: block input ~6.1MB/s, block output ~1.8MB/s, 620 seeks/s Aug 14 05:28:22 hmm, i hate the new ui Aug 14 05:29:36 why? what did it ever do to you? Aug 14 05:29:44 ljp: based on what theme/config? Aug 14 05:29:51 u know we are chznging the default theme Aug 14 05:30:23 raster: good to hear ;) Aug 14 05:31:25 http://www.rasterman.com/files/e17-new-theme-shot.png Aug 14 05:31:37 http://www.rasterman.com/files/mydesk-01.png Aug 14 05:31:41 for some examples Aug 14 05:31:50 its not in head currently and benig done separately Aug 14 05:32:02 then 2nd one is newer Aug 14 05:32:54 raster: those look lovely!! can't stand bling! :D Aug 14 05:33:08 hehehe Aug 14 05:33:16 well its our conservative B&W look Aug 14 05:33:22 everything is b&W Aug 14 05:33:25 yes, much better looking Aug 14 05:33:26 the icons too? Aug 14 05:33:29 with the most minimal of coloring only if needed Aug 14 05:33:38 the icons are almost all just standard system ones Aug 14 05:33:41 not all is done yet Aug 14 05:33:49 u can see what isnt done as it doesnt fit Aug 14 05:33:49 :) Aug 14 05:33:54 yep Aug 14 05:33:58 if its an app icon in a menu - its whatever the app installs Aug 14 05:34:03 if its desktop file icons Aug 14 05:34:05 and is e17 ever going to get released? ;) Aug 14 05:34:10 well they are just mine i downloaded Aug 14 05:34:16 raster: nice theme Aug 14 05:34:21 ljp: yes... we need to knock off some TODO item Aug 14 05:34:21 s Aug 14 05:34:23 items Aug 14 05:34:26 i like the bamboo icon Aug 14 05:34:27 filemanager needs finishing Aug 14 05:34:29 new theme Aug 14 05:34:32 and wizard Aug 14 05:34:34 thats it for major work Aug 14 05:34:40 the rest is just a litnay of cleanups Aug 14 05:34:40 raster: DD Aug 14 05:34:46 and bugfixing etc. etc. Aug 14 05:34:53 cleaning up loose ends Aug 14 05:35:07 what was that bar thingy? enlightenment? what happened to that? Aug 14 05:35:14 * ljp wshes gta01 had wifi Aug 14 05:35:18 undrwater: eh? Aug 14 05:35:25 undrwater: bar thingy? Aug 14 05:35:57 hrm...yeah...in your screenies...that's the ibar, right? there was one that was like os x Aug 14 05:36:15 i dont use any like that Aug 14 05:36:25 i prefer not to go just copying another os's ui Aug 14 05:36:31 i like to think slightly originally Aug 14 05:36:40 raster: is it normal for the menu to be a bit laggy? Aug 14 05:36:41 the osx dock actually annoys me Aug 14 05:36:45 it may look funky Aug 14 05:36:50 but i just dont like it Aug 14 05:36:58 doc|home: what menu? Aug 14 05:37:10 the normal desktop menu Aug 14 05:37:13 yes, it needs to be at the top Aug 14 05:37:23 doc|home: which on e- the menu with the apps? Aug 14 05:37:26 or other ones Aug 14 05:37:28 raster: anyway...i have a laptop waiting for this theme and the release!! look forward to it! :) Aug 14 05:37:29 ie internal ones? Aug 14 05:37:35 raster btw Aug 14 05:37:42 e is still strangely broken on ppc =_= Aug 14 05:37:48 ? Aug 14 05:37:50 hmm Aug 14 05:37:53 shouldnt be Aug 14 05:37:53 raster: the one titled "Main" Aug 14 05:38:04 doc|home: whihc bit of it? Aug 14 05:38:10 lots of menus/submenus there Aug 14 05:38:32 exactly, so, could that be increased a bit, it can be very annoying :) Aug 14 05:38:43 er, the speed of Aug 14 05:38:50 ? Aug 14 05:38:54 i dont get it Aug 14 05:38:58 rebuilt it 4 days ago and all the themes beside winter got the first button cover all the window area Aug 14 05:39:00 what bit of the menu Aug 14 05:39:01 all of it Aug 14 05:39:08 system Aug 14 05:39:10 desktops Aug 14 05:39:13 windows Aug 14 05:39:27 or just udner applications/'favorite applications ? Aug 14 05:39:34 ok, so, I went into Main -> Applications and there were a number of subfolders, when I roll the mouse from top to bottom and back up again it lags about half way down and nothing happens Aug 14 05:39:42 but it has happened in other sections too Aug 14 05:39:45 lu_zero: the default works tho? Aug 14 05:40:24 doc|home: umm. shouldnt lag. well ok the APPLICATIONs submenu is generated - on the fly from the .desktop files and xml .menu files Aug 14 05:40:34 so all the icons and so on are loaded from disk on demand Aug 14 05:40:40 that can and will cause lag Aug 14 05:40:40 could that be cached possibly? Aug 14 05:40:50 as the drawing pipeline waits for all data to be available Aug 14 05:40:55 it is cached Aug 14 05:41:04 raster nope Aug 14 05:41:04 so the first time u do it it'll lag Aug 14 05:41:16 lu_zero: default also broken? Aug 14 05:41:29 lu_zero: u dont have some old copy of default in ~/.e/e/themes ? Aug 14 05:41:29 raster: but it happens all the time Aug 14 05:41:37 doc|home: what theme? Aug 14 05:41:41 default Aug 14 05:41:45 doc|home: also do u have dropshadows on or not? Aug 14 05:41:54 nope Aug 14 05:42:04 raster I tried with a new user to rule out that issue Aug 14 05:42:09 they didn't work so well when one window was over another Aug 14 05:42:12 iirc Aug 14 05:42:27 lu_zero: odd. i don't know. would need to try this on a ppc box and dig. Aug 14 05:42:34 i havent heard this until now Aug 14 05:42:37 so either its brand new Aug 14 05:42:49 or it could be something your end Aug 14 05:42:52 but what - don't know Aug 14 05:42:56 raster I could try to rebuild from scratch again Aug 14 05:43:11 the strange thing is that winter is working fine Aug 14 05:43:22 doc|home: really not too sure. for me the menus pop up and down blazingly fast ans samoothly Aug 14 05:43:26 and thats with dropshadows on etc. Aug 14 05:43:36 did u turn off caches? Aug 14 05:43:41 don't know to be honest, anything I can send to help? Aug 14 05:43:52 I don't think so, in fact, I think I increased it because of this Aug 14 05:44:57 not using xrender engine? Aug 14 05:45:10 15fps, 512ticks cache flush, 0.5mb font cache, 16mb image cache, 64 edje files, 128 collections Aug 14 05:45:16 xrender? god no :) Aug 14 05:45:18 i'm sitting here swizzling my menu up and down and its responding immediately to anything i do Aug 14 05:45:24 of course there is a motion and lag detector Aug 14 05:45:30 if i slide overr the menu very fast Aug 14 05:45:40 it wont open submenus until i settle down on an item Aug 14 05:45:50 raster: yeah, and it's working fine for me, but every once in a while I'll go back to it and it'll lag Aug 14 05:45:53 yay Aug 14 05:46:16 there is right now soem bizarre bug that every now and again e goes all goofy Aug 14 05:46:26 with all the theme edje states being whacked Aug 14 05:46:32 thngs like deskto selections inverting Aug 14 05:46:37 entirely unsure what causes it tho Aug 14 05:47:24 oh, and can there be a drag box on the desktop to select things and when you hit the delete key it could delete them? Aug 14 05:47:27 :) Aug 14 05:48:14 google reader sucks Aug 14 05:48:29 goodwill: what kind of reader is it? Aug 14 05:48:36 there are new items in the feed btu no matter what I do it does not see it Aug 14 05:48:41 rss reader Aug 14 05:49:10 ahh Aug 14 05:51:05 doc|home: yes. delete for "Deleting fileS" is something i should add soemtime - not touching filemanager currently tho as GSOC student are fiddling with it Aug 14 05:51:27 doc|home: as for drag. thats a bit of a problem as that conflicts with other bindings and actions. Aug 14 05:51:33 clic+drag will pop up a menu Aug 14 05:51:58 as e handles menus both in click+release style as WELL as click+drag (oldstyle) Aug 14 06:03:33 raster: what about ctrl-click-drag? Aug 14 06:03:45 could be done Aug 14 06:04:02 but right now efm isnt even listening for events on the desktop other than thew icons it places there Aug 14 06:04:07 ok Aug 14 06:06:52 right now Aug 14 06:06:55 thats not a major problem tho Aug 14 06:07:03 dnd is entirely probken on the desktop atm Aug 14 06:07:17 i think seb ot dave commited somethng to break it Aug 14 06:07:24 i havent gotten around to looking at it Aug 14 06:09:56 ok, was just an idea anyway, not a major deal Aug 14 06:10:25 :) Aug 14 06:13:04 Has there been yet anything to utilize the tilt sensors? Aug 14 06:14:15 genii: check the lists...there's a youtube video of it's use as well Aug 14 06:15:25 OK thanks Aug 14 06:19:10 k anyone get diversity wifi to work? Aug 14 06:26:23 ah its for fso Aug 14 06:36:23 no on div wifi Aug 14 06:38:03 on the home 2008.8 any ability to add folders? Aug 14 06:38:12 games folder? Aug 14 06:38:31 still trying to wifi Aug 14 06:38:38 ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported Aug 14 06:38:38 ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported Aug 14 06:38:38 ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported Aug 14 06:38:38 ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported Aug 14 06:38:58 mkdir? Aug 14 06:39:13 in the terminal Aug 14 06:39:22 where is the "home" folder? Aug 14 06:40:33 ima noob Aug 14 06:40:59 cd / Aug 14 06:41:03 ls Aug 14 06:43:46 no that not what i'm talking about Aug 14 06:44:43 cd /home Aug 14 06:44:44 where is the file/directory that organizes all the programs displayed on the "Home" on the FR Aug 14 06:44:46 railer: cd ~ then look at what file path you seem to be in Aug 14 06:45:32 the home directory you guys are talking about has nothing Aug 14 06:45:50 ima noob Aug 14 06:49:44 ima noob? who are you talking to? Aug 14 06:50:12 about me Aug 14 06:50:18 me ima noob Aug 14 06:50:56 almost looks macish Aug 14 06:51:33 well did the wifi never work? Aug 14 06:52:01 nope Aug 14 06:52:26 anyways installer didnt use it Aug 14 06:52:34 did you try manually setting it up? Aug 14 06:52:45 i dont know how Aug 14 06:53:00 iwlist scan Aug 14 06:53:04 ok Aug 14 06:53:07 did you try that? Aug 14 06:53:17 not yet Aug 14 06:53:29 that will let you scan Aug 14 06:53:34 i have a terminal Aug 14 06:53:48 you see any wifi sites? Aug 14 06:54:55 found em /usr/share/applications Aug 14 06:55:30 yup i see my wifi Aug 14 06:56:01 ssid is there Aug 14 06:56:54 well that's a start Aug 14 06:57:18 did you make a wpa_supplicant.conf Aug 14 06:57:22 yup Aug 14 06:57:31 u wanna see it? Aug 14 06:57:47 ya Aug 14 06:57:48 my network is open Aug 14 06:58:07 easier Aug 14 06:59:11 this thing is long to boot Aug 14 06:59:17 http://pastebin.com/d3860a7b7 Aug 14 06:59:34 i hope its not that way in me freerunner Aug 14 06:59:43 at the bottom Aug 14 07:00:21 take out the second network Aug 14 07:00:31 ok Aug 14 07:00:48 an the root@openmoko at the bottom Aug 14 07:03:17 yes Aug 14 07:05:30 booting Aug 14 07:05:38 booting Aug 14 07:07:07 didnt hang at 59% very long Aug 14 07:07:37 ? Aug 14 07:10:19 there's a booting image :http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/92/39/22423992.jpg Aug 14 07:12:10 that is too Aug 14 07:12:20 a boot image Aug 14 07:13:01 so nows im booted up again an i ran iwlist scan Aug 14 07:14:50 you can still see the ap I assume Aug 14 07:19:19 yup Aug 14 07:19:42 cant ping www.google.com Aug 14 07:20:01 bad address Aug 14 07:20:13 are repos set up with 2008.8? are there daily updates? Aug 14 07:20:44 linuxxr: Aug 14 07:21:00 wifi is up? grabbed an ip with dhcp? Aug 14 07:21:02 wat? Aug 14 07:21:19 i check Aug 14 07:21:57 i mean... you ran wpa_supplicant right? then udhcpc a few sec later (after wpa_supplicant associates with an AP) Aug 14 07:22:24 linuxxr run these 3 lines: Aug 14 07:22:24 ifup eth0 Aug 14 07:22:24 wpa_supplicant -ieth0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -B Aug 14 07:22:24 udhcpc eth0 Aug 14 07:23:20 omfg fso is pissing me off Aug 14 07:23:53 sending discover Aug 14 07:23:53 so anyone know how to add a folder to /usr/share/applications/ so it shows up on the HOME of the FR? Aug 14 07:24:08 failed Aug 14 07:24:14 no folders but .desktop file Aug 14 07:24:43 cat /usr/share/applications/something.desktop for an example Aug 14 07:24:48 ya but I have like 30+ .desktop now a little organization would be helpful Aug 14 07:25:23 dont think thats a possibility Aug 14 07:25:40 that sucks Aug 14 07:25:45 why not? Aug 14 07:25:52 and how the fuck did you get 30 finger apps Aug 14 07:26:20 well start with tasks-openmoko-games Aug 14 07:26:23 i cant even install one with milestone one opkg thinks its smarter them me Aug 14 07:26:57 actually 36 and rising Aug 14 07:27:09 using 2008 Aug 14 07:27:12 ? Aug 14 07:27:22 ya Aug 14 07:27:26 2008.8 Aug 14 07:27:50 i think that stupid install button at the bottom is lame Aug 14 07:27:52 both calcs , comic reader Aug 14 07:28:09 like jesus christ i need that on a home screen? Aug 14 07:28:21 hold on Aug 14 07:28:26 hide it in settings or somethin Aug 14 07:28:44 ya like a directory! Aug 14 07:30:07 its a desktop, so those are desktop icons/launchers... even if you hacked a folder.dektop how would you jump back? Aug 14 07:31:09 now if the desktop was a desktop/filemanager/launcher hack that would be neat aswell Aug 14 07:31:52 a launcher to take me to another launcher directory would be nice Aug 14 07:32:20 how do you take a screen shot now? Aug 14 07:34:26 kd8ikt, http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/dot/dot.tgz Aug 14 07:35:06 try running it with no options, then try running it with "-p" (-h for help) Aug 14 07:35:09 has two modes... Aug 14 07:36:11 oh, and to quit, shake the phone (heh, adding a button to exit would've been a lot more effort) Aug 14 07:37:02 heh Aug 14 07:37:12 * kd8ikt is flashing fso at the moment Aug 14 07:37:22 how do I use gpe-scap on 2008.8 Aug 14 07:37:24 ? Aug 14 07:37:47 nm t Aug 14 07:37:54 you still messin with fso lint? Aug 14 07:39:10 i use fso as my primary phone Aug 14 07:39:20 but what i just wrote works for any enlightenment Aug 14 07:39:38 confirmed working in fso and 2008.8 Aug 14 07:40:27 i'd take a screen shot or two, but it wouldn't look too interesting and fso's screenshot app is borked due to localisation issues and 2008.8 doesn't seem to have it installed Aug 14 07:40:28 i tried adding some repo's to milestone two and opkg was being a bitch and wouldnt install anything Aug 14 07:41:11 kd8ikt: aaaactually. the desktopo is e17's own filemanager widget :) Aug 14 07:41:19 i just recycled it Aug 14 07:41:36 so as such.. in theory all the nuts and bolts are there for having subdirectories etc. Aug 14 07:41:54 theres a veritable mountain of functionality tucked away into enlightenment on OM Aug 14 07:41:58 same as the desktop really Aug 14 07:42:37 i guess i should move my laptops desktop to e17 and get more familiar with it Aug 14 07:43:01 dont need to move Aug 14 07:43:08 u car try it inside xephyr/xnest Aug 14 07:43:12 so raster, are you involved with e, or just a huge e proponent? Aug 14 07:43:23 ieatlint: HAHAHAHAH Aug 14 07:43:33 not to be confused with the drug :P Aug 14 07:43:58 i wrote most of it Aug 14 07:44:05 along with EFL Aug 14 07:44:10 not all Aug 14 07:44:30 but a veritably large chunk - and pretty much all of the base development before things are "usable" i did. Aug 14 07:44:46 considering i started e about a decade or so ago :) Aug 14 07:46:24 well, good job :P Aug 14 07:46:36 this morning i didn't know efl in the slightest Aug 14 07:47:07 and after working through some woefully documented apis, i still managed to meet my end goal... and it runs much more smoothly than gtk ever could Aug 14 07:47:45 thats really cool Aug 14 07:49:16 ieatlint: personally.. that says something Aug 14 07:49:18 with woeful docs Aug 14 07:49:20 omg generate the rsa key already i want in! Aug 14 07:49:21 u still get it working Aug 14 07:49:27 i think what i wrote vaguely accomplishes your "level" intentions with the whole bubble thing Aug 14 07:49:28 and it meets/exceeds expectations Aug 14 07:49:36 and that makes me happy Aug 14 07:49:38 welcome to my world Aug 14 07:49:39 :) Aug 14 07:49:52 hah, yeah, well, it wasn't the most complicated goal :P Aug 14 07:50:09 it's an icon on a background that moves using the accelerometers Aug 14 07:50:13 not at all Aug 14 07:50:34 well, an accelerometer, not both Aug 14 07:51:06 :) Aug 14 07:52:13 the api doc is also incomplete i learnt Aug 14 07:52:46 howd you figure it out then Aug 14 07:52:51 anyway, no one ever said this stuff was supposed to be easy :P Aug 14 07:52:52 it is Aug 14 07:52:58 trial and error? Aug 14 07:53:04 the problem is the usual programmers dilemma Aug 14 07:53:15 wrote more useful code and add a feature u want/need Aug 14 07:53:18 no, searching google for code examples and seeing functions being used that weren't in the docs, heh Aug 14 07:53:19 or spend time writign docs Aug 14 07:53:27 yep Aug 14 07:53:32 or spend time writing examples and code using the api's Aug 14 07:53:42 invariably docs are the least fun of it all Aug 14 07:53:44 I cant figure out how to do a screen shot Aug 14 07:53:46 so they get punted to the back Aug 14 07:53:47 :) Aug 14 07:53:48 when i sucked at programming, i commented a lot and wrote docs a lot ... when i started getting better, i stopped, hehe Aug 14 07:54:20 * kd8ikt is at the comment every line stage Aug 14 07:54:37 hey, it's a good way to start Aug 14 07:54:42 anyone remember the name of the scientific calc ? Aug 14 07:54:56 HP48 or somehting like that? Aug 14 07:56:30 nope Aug 14 07:56:51 ieatlint: its the way it goes Aug 14 07:56:57 after a while comments/docs are not useufl Aug 14 07:57:05 a nicely named api call that tells u what it does Aug 14 07:57:06 and a .h file Aug 14 07:57:08 are all u need Aug 14 07:57:14 just read the .h Aug 14 07:57:20 lok at the datatypes and structs Aug 14 07:57:22 and api call names Aug 14 07:57:25 if i nee d- read the src Aug 14 07:57:33 as u are comfortable with reading src by then anyway Aug 14 07:57:34 yep Aug 14 07:57:43 that's how i was able to figure out your stuffs :P Aug 14 07:57:45 i know i SHOULD write more docs Aug 14 07:57:51 but... it's just not as much fun! Aug 14 07:57:54 oh wow thats really cool ieatlint Aug 14 07:57:54 :) Aug 14 07:58:00 yeah, there are some things that are confusing Aug 14 07:58:04 the layers thing, for instance Aug 14 07:58:10 aah Aug 14 07:58:12 dont touch layers Aug 14 07:58:14 unless u need them Aug 14 07:58:15 took me a couple trial and error things to figure it out Aug 14 07:58:21 but tis a way of forcing absolute stacking layers Aug 14 07:58:27 withina layer u can raise/lower and stack Aug 14 07:58:32 lyer 1 is above 0 Aug 14 07:58:35 layer -1 is below 0 Aug 14 07:58:36 yeah Aug 14 07:58:41 layer 999 is above 998 Aug 14 07:58:42 etc. Aug 14 07:58:48 its just a stackign priority really Aug 14 07:58:49 well, i set the background as a png Aug 14 07:59:00 and then in order to display stuff on it, setting a higher layer fixed it Aug 14 07:59:19 kd8ikt, you download the app then? Aug 14 07:59:58 that is really neat Aug 14 08:00:40 yeah, one could write some games with a little bit more work on it Aug 14 08:01:03 i need to push my updates to svn Aug 14 08:01:20 like labrinth Aug 14 08:01:36 not using git? Aug 14 08:01:42 nope Aug 14 08:02:01 i'm whoring out space from friends for a wiki and a svn host with trac Aug 14 08:02:07 pbwiki and devjavu Aug 14 08:04:09 the code is at lint.devjavu.com Aug 14 08:04:26 the readme file up there for it is outdated... i'll fix it at some point Aug 14 08:14:37 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r7736468a81a1 10/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Aug 14 08:14:37 freesmartphone.org: [oeventsd] Added RingTone action that takes the preferences into account Aug 14 08:14:37 freesmartphone.org: It only considers the ring-tone (not the ring-volume yet) Aug 14 08:14:37 freesmartphone.org: I had to rely on a smal hack to retrieve opreferences service without using DBus Aug 14 08:14:37 freesmartphone.org: I hope Mickey will add some sort of 'get_object' method so that we can retrieve any registered object without using Aug 14 08:14:41 freesmartphone.org: DBus Aug 14 08:40:59 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * rcd932f106c73 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/ring_tone_action.py: [oeventsd] Forgot to add a file in previous commit Aug 14 08:48:16 bleh Aug 14 08:52:05 something wrong then kd8ikt? Aug 14 08:54:01 zhone Aug 14 08:54:10 no audio? Aug 14 08:54:20 no nothin Aug 14 08:55:11 press the check mark and it just sits there Aug 14 08:56:50 you mean like the dial checkmark? Aug 14 08:56:57 yea Aug 14 08:57:15 does it show your signal strength or does it just say "zhone!"? Aug 14 08:57:31 both blue and green showing strength Aug 14 08:57:40 huh, weird Aug 14 08:57:55 i hard audio issues because it had the wrong alsa state set by default Aug 14 08:59:36 "opkg: invalid magic Aug 14 08:59:39 ?? Aug 14 08:59:51 trying to opkg install gutenflash Aug 14 09:00:18 sounds like witch craft Aug 14 09:00:21 burn him! Aug 14 09:00:33 i'm heavier than a duck! Aug 14 09:00:54 ok, well, we'll drown you and find out Aug 14 09:00:58 hi. has anyone created already qt4 ipk packages? Aug 14 09:02:00 admiral0, as long as there are no followup questions, yes, yes someone has Aug 14 09:03:09 anybody know where i can find python-string for the freerunner? (needed for gutenflash) Aug 14 09:04:58 ieatlint: so i can download them from somewhere? Aug 14 09:05:12 * admiral0 is compiling qt for arm from ages Aug 14 09:05:25 sorry, that's a followup question Aug 14 09:05:32 http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/python-stringold_2.5.2-ml0_armv4t.ipk ? Aug 14 09:05:58 ieatlint: ok... i'll just have to build qt... Aug 14 09:06:13 and ipk packages for it Aug 14 09:06:31 sounds like a plan, since you negated the existing ones by asking a question Aug 14 09:07:10 ieatlint:? Aug 14 09:07:31 sorry, i've been drinking Aug 14 09:08:09 i only program when i've been drinking Aug 14 09:08:29 lol Aug 14 09:08:53 which is why i do a lot of "do while" loops in my code for no apparent reason Aug 14 09:08:56 * admiral0 plays billiard when he's drunk Aug 14 09:09:22 well, my apartment isn't big enough for that Aug 14 09:09:47 you can get drunk outside of your appartement also ieatlint :) Aug 14 09:10:08 Zorkman's right Aug 14 09:10:11 :D Aug 14 09:10:13 indeed i can Aug 14 09:10:17 i can get drunk on the street here Aug 14 09:10:19 not worth a dui Aug 14 09:10:23 yay for no alcohol in public laws! Aug 14 09:11:03 and i live in sf... i can get to thousands of bars without a car Aug 14 09:11:57 so soon we'll see thousands of lines of code filled with do while loops ;) Aug 14 09:12:07 nested, even Aug 14 09:12:08 bye to everybody... i've got some housework to do :( Aug 14 09:12:14 bye Aug 14 09:13:07 i also registered a 1-900 toll number and when people run programs i write, it dials the number so i get paid Aug 14 09:13:31 lol :) Aug 14 09:14:17 Cannot find package python-string. Aug 14 09:14:18 i still say that fso's frameworkd needs a simplistic security system to only allow authorised programs dial numbers or send sms Aug 14 09:14:24 anybody knows where i can get it? Aug 14 09:14:54 (as an ipk, to install gutenflash) Aug 14 09:17:42 yeah ieatlint Aug 14 09:18:38 ieatlint: you can implement security into dbus Aug 14 09:18:44 * kd8ikt invisions my phone calling china late at night with a recorded penis enlargment ad Aug 14 09:19:08 hahahaha Aug 14 09:19:38 though one could have some fun with a telephone botnet Aug 14 09:19:47 uh huh, you keep telling us it's pre-recorded Aug 14 09:20:09 win that radio contest Aug 14 09:20:18 edistar, i guess that just reflects the total lack of security in openmoko at the moment (ie, everything as root) Aug 14 09:20:34 really mess with pizza delivery stores Aug 14 09:21:01 yeah leaving the password empty is royaly stupid Aug 14 09:21:04 screwing with pizza places somehow got old when i was a teenager :P Aug 14 09:21:12 ieatlint: yes Aug 14 09:21:17 kd8ikt, nah, that's not the issue Aug 14 09:21:36 changing the password is a simple task Aug 14 09:21:44 ieatlint: cause you can have some users being restricted etc.. so that they can't send specific dbus signals etc Aug 14 09:21:46 reworking it all to run things as a user... not so simple Aug 14 09:22:18 just install debian Aug 14 09:22:42 yeah, they're known for security Aug 14 09:23:05 (yes, i know i'm using a debian derivative on my phone now) Aug 14 09:24:25 derivative? Aug 14 09:24:47 the openmoko images are using a debian base Aug 14 09:24:50 no Aug 14 09:24:55 they are based on angstrom Aug 14 09:25:02 hmmm Aug 14 09:25:12 which itself is a distro using OE Aug 14 09:26:27 well, it would appear i am misinformed Aug 14 09:26:45 i'd try and come up with a name to shift blame to, but somehow my mind is blanking Aug 14 09:26:54 so, i blame captain morgan Aug 14 09:27:33 glamo? Aug 14 09:27:50 sure, glamo is something else to insult Aug 14 09:28:08 i was pleased to learn it could rapidly draw a 32x23 pixmap... a bit surprised, really Aug 14 09:28:20 eh screw it i'm flashing the 2007 i just built Aug 14 09:28:44 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * re2b3bfd6e97c 10/packages/tzdata/tzdata_2007k.bb: tzdata: Write a default /etc/timezone, install a /etc/localtime Aug 14 09:31:37 hoi Aug 14 09:43:39 sigh Aug 14 09:43:49 looks like the battery died =_= Aug 14 09:44:17 you doing the nokia battery switch trick? Aug 14 09:44:24 died or deep discharged? Aug 14 09:44:35 not that deep Aug 14 09:44:42 managed to start nor Aug 14 09:44:51 but doesn't make to the kernel Aug 14 09:44:54 does it charge from nor? Aug 14 09:45:09 I think it does not Aug 14 09:45:31 i've never been to clear on that myself Aug 14 09:45:48 i think they were working on it Aug 14 09:46:09 sigh Aug 14 09:46:15 if you remove the battery but have the charger plugged in will it continue to boot? Aug 14 09:46:32 nope Aug 14 09:46:34 anyway, if you can't swap the battery out with another, the advised tactic is to remove the sim card and sd card, and pray it works Aug 14 09:48:17 I'll see Aug 14 09:48:39 goodluck... Aug 14 09:48:53 need to init fastcharge i think Aug 14 09:49:12 if you can't get it to work, find someone with a nokia phone that has a compatible battery Aug 14 09:49:16 can you get into uboot console? Aug 14 09:49:28 yes Aug 14 09:49:33 get in the console and enable fastboot Aug 14 09:49:39 boot with their battery, plug the phone into the wall charger and swap to your dead battery Aug 14 09:49:42 how Aug 14 09:49:44 er i mean fastcharge Aug 14 09:50:03 the question still applies Aug 14 09:50:06 how Aug 14 09:50:17 yeah, i don't recall a fastcharge mode in uboot Aug 14 09:50:23 but i'm curious enough to check.. one sec Aug 14 09:50:34 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader_commands#Forcing_fast_charge Aug 14 09:51:03 people have been known to make a special uboot menu option to enable it Aug 14 09:51:42 ah, yeah, that could work, heh Aug 14 09:52:10 but i dunno if it will stay on long enough for him to acomplish it Aug 14 09:52:43 i'm glad i have an extra nocrapia battery Aug 14 09:52:48 i seem to deep discharge a battery every few days Aug 14 09:53:16 it will stop charging at times and start discharging even while still plugged in :( Aug 14 09:53:25 /mine likes to eat juice even when turned off Aug 14 09:53:48 huh Aug 14 09:53:54 I guess I'll try to find a nokia battery Aug 14 09:54:08 it's not an uncommon battery Aug 14 09:54:19 just find someone with a nokia phone... new or old, you'll find one Aug 14 09:54:43 sure any cellular store would have em too Aug 14 09:54:52 but they wont be charged ;) Aug 14 09:55:02 why not ? Aug 14 09:55:12 boot up with the nokia battery (the battery charge indicator will not work, btw), and with the wall charger plugged in (1A is kinda needed, if you can only muster 500mA, ensure the LCD is off and swap batteries very quickly) Aug 14 09:55:43 and nokia phones will only charge official nokia batteries, so don't bother trying to charge your battery in a nokia phone Aug 14 09:56:00 yeah isnt that gay as hell Aug 14 09:56:08 hehe Aug 14 09:56:17 my nikia wont even boot with the neo battery Aug 14 09:56:19 heh, yeah, but totally not an anti-trust violation :P Aug 14 09:56:38 Can the freerunner charge a nokia battery ? Aug 14 09:56:52 in theory, but i've never tried Aug 14 09:57:12 you can also buy li-ion chargers for not a lot of money to charge your batteries Aug 14 09:57:24 i don't think so, it knows it's not a neo and doesn't incase it would do damage Aug 14 09:58:17 http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8293 $20 li-ion (single cell) charger that takes 5v-12v dc and charges at 1A Aug 14 09:58:31 (dc adapter sold separately, or provided by yourself) Aug 14 09:58:43 the wallcharger is doing the trick Aug 14 09:59:23 dns53, a li-ion battery is standard Aug 14 09:59:47 it may no be default, but it should be capable of it Aug 14 10:00:09 well a lio has id pins and bad things happen when you put a wrong charge in, they WILL burn through the table and floor Aug 14 10:00:36 indeed Aug 14 10:00:47 but single cell 3.7v battery is pretty standard Aug 14 10:01:27 besides, how many other hazardous substances can i bring onto a plane in large quantity... Aug 14 10:01:32 it's about the only acid they allow Aug 14 10:02:49 no orange juce? Aug 14 10:03:33 not unless it's 3oz or less Aug 14 10:03:49 hmmm, i suppose grammatically, it's "3oz or fewer" Aug 14 10:03:53 anyway, i'm off to bed Aug 14 10:03:55 goodnight all Aug 14 10:03:59 nite Aug 14 10:04:06 nite Aug 14 11:03:44 are there any xmpp clients ? Aug 14 11:04:04 dns53: kuzgun is working on a telepathy client for his summer of code project Aug 14 11:04:18 http://tumay.projects.openmoko.org/ Aug 14 11:05:30 dns53: that has a lot of backends available, XMPP, SIP, IRC, link-local XMPP, etc Aug 14 11:05:44 dns53: and one that loads plugins from libpurple so can do AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, MSN, etc Aug 14 11:07:57 dont forget iax Aug 14 11:08:34 hi, did anyone test the update fees for 2008.8? Aug 14 11:12:02 kd8ikt: I don't think libpurple does IAX in any useful capacity Aug 14 11:12:07 kd8ikt: like, it doesn't do voice. Aug 14 11:12:44 thats why you have to add iaxclient libs Aug 14 11:13:09 to what? Aug 14 11:13:17 to everything Aug 14 11:13:39 ok, but really IAX is a trunking protocol, it's not like it has a huge benefit over using SIP between the client and the server Aug 14 11:15:27 yes it does Aug 14 11:15:32 Kev_: I found the fees a bit steep, 50$ an .ipk Aug 14 11:15:50 I mean feeds, sorry :) Aug 14 11:18:27 kd8ikt: ok. well, it still doesn't support it... Aug 14 11:34:21 wtf is GTA03_EVB Aug 14 11:34:45 extreem vapourware board? Aug 14 11:34:52 google evb Aug 14 11:34:53 hehe Aug 14 11:34:55 evaluation board Aug 14 11:35:00 ah Aug 14 11:35:00 but Kamping_Kaiser's definition is good as well Aug 14 11:35:36 there's this dev on the mailing list that says he got GTA03_EVB Aug 14 11:36:38 it's really cool that OM started with the GTA03 already Aug 14 11:37:02 well Aug 14 11:37:04 you need to do that Aug 14 11:37:22 we need a stable software too Aug 14 11:37:25 by the time one is shipping, there should be at least 2 in EVB state Aug 14 11:37:45 in that state it's not tying software resources Aug 14 11:37:52 but rather hardware engineers Aug 14 11:38:03 I see Aug 14 11:38:50 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * rebceffc4a07c 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: Start work on SMS PDU mode Aug 14 11:38:51 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * raaa2880e7212 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: ogsmd: Add constants describing PDU fields Aug 14 11:38:51 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * raee715f98e89 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (convert.py sms.py): ogsmd: Redo the phonenumber function Aug 14 11:38:52 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * rf280fb8c9807 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/convert.py: ogsmd: Add padding value to correctly decode alphanumeric addresses. Aug 14 11:38:55 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * r74132ebaaf62 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (convert.py sms.py): Aug 14 11:38:58 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Move PDU conversion functions to convert.py Aug 14 11:39:00 freesmartphone.org: Return a datetime object when parsing the time Aug 14 11:39:02 freesmartphone.org: Rename functions for consistency Aug 14 11:39:04 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * re024b682c6ee 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: Add two more test PDUs from OM bug 1728 Aug 14 11:39:12 is the GTK image dropped for good now ? Aug 14 11:39:21 or dialy builds are still available ? Aug 14 11:39:27 daily* Aug 14 11:39:30 * Kamping_Kaiser hopes its not Aug 14 11:39:31 no idea, but even if daily builds were available, no one is working on it Aug 14 11:39:41 mickeyl: Okay, seems to be working Aug 14 11:39:45 if you like Gtk+, help SHR Aug 14 11:39:49 alphaone: cool! Aug 14 11:39:53 :( Aug 14 11:39:55 who likes GTK anyways :-p Aug 14 11:40:02 gtk+ is fine for some things Aug 14 11:40:04 how is shr going? Aug 14 11:40:12 you can use gtk+ on all images Om produces Aug 14 11:40:16 * Kamping_Kaiser prefers the GTK > 0808 Aug 14 11:40:16 so no reason to be sad Aug 14 11:40:26 dns53: ask the devels... #openmoko-cdevel Aug 14 11:40:53 SHR is going to be great. stable foundation combined with the gtk+ apps Aug 14 11:41:00 looking forward to it Aug 14 11:41:04 me too Aug 14 11:41:13 Qt > * Aug 14 11:42:32 negative Aug 14 11:43:15 actually, the SHR would also be a good foundation for Qt app Aug 14 11:43:15 s Aug 14 11:43:28 as long as both use the FSO middleware, they can happily coexist Aug 14 11:43:33 and we can pick the best of the breed Aug 14 11:43:36 *shrug** Aug 14 11:45:09 what will be the window manager on FSO? Aug 14 11:45:37 zedstar_: as far as I can understand .. FSO will be merged into ASU Aug 14 11:45:55 mickeyl: correct me if I'm mistaken please Aug 14 11:45:57 so enlightenment instead of matchbox? Aug 14 11:45:58 As I understand it, it's the other way round. Aug 14 11:46:08 ASU gets merged into FSO Aug 14 11:46:20 zedstar_: listen to what SpeedEvil says Aug 14 11:46:44 ~fso Aug 14 11:46:45 i guess fso is the freesmartphone.org software release. It includes the backbone software for the phone hardware (and some other things) and a working dialer, and not much else. Aug 14 11:47:22 I though ASU got merged on top of FSO, to replace the current example-only FSO UI. Aug 14 11:47:34 is SHR gonna keep matchbox Aug 14 11:48:37 im trying to establish if there is any point writing a matchbox panel applet but it doesnt sound like it unless wanna run on maemo? Aug 14 11:48:43 asu needs the ripping out of the qtopia gsm stack to merge on top of fso Aug 14 11:49:29 mickeyl: when do you expect that we'd have a stable accelerometers API ? Aug 14 11:56:48 i'd think SHR will have a choice of wm's Aug 14 11:57:08 :p Aug 14 11:58:19 hi Dave, how is live today Aug 14 12:01:12 Okay :) Aug 14 12:01:24 Someone write a python app for me :) Aug 14 12:01:25 what;s the chances of poky being adapted to run on FSO i wonder! Aug 14 12:04:11 Dave: what python app? Aug 14 12:05:20 I'm trying to write a simple client app Aug 14 12:05:43 I figure I'd have better success if I simply bribed one of the many python programmers here to do it for me instead :P Aug 14 12:08:52 well wtf is this app supposed to do? i think this is why youre failing Aug 14 12:14:20 kd8 haha, what? Aug 14 12:14:41 So, I'm still lost about this whole dont-use-buildhost-packages thing Aug 14 12:14:42 Actually it's a dumb app, just sends data received from the phone over tcp/ip :P Aug 14 12:14:57 I've been using them for a couple of weeks and they're fine Aug 14 12:15:24 e_s_p: they might install something, but it's something different from the asu image, and different from official updates to the asu image Aug 14 12:15:34 in essence, you're running a sixth distribution Aug 14 12:16:11 Ah, rwhitby. Aug 14 12:16:48 * rwhitby is surprised there is no Gentoo stages for openmoko yet ... Aug 14 12:16:54 e_s_p: its not dont use buildhost packages, its dont use buildhost as an upgrade to ASU Aug 14 12:17:02 e_s_p: its not the same thing Aug 14 12:17:18 yeah, use "DistroSix" like XorA does :-) Aug 14 12:17:21 rwhitby: I might work on some gentoo/OM related stuff when I find some free time Aug 14 12:17:45 Dave: http://ilab.cs.byu.edu/python/ Aug 14 12:18:22 i was just reading gentoo-embedded Aug 14 12:18:34 yeah .. it's good Aug 14 12:18:36 thanks? Aug 14 12:18:45 no problem Aug 14 12:18:52 ~_~ Aug 14 12:18:52 STOP DOING THAT! Aug 14 12:19:07 hehe Aug 14 12:19:14 think we can bitbake a simple gentoo base system Aug 14 12:19:27 kd8ikt: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/ Aug 14 12:19:43 i need a stage Aug 14 12:20:25 XorA: I'm still lost. I flashed with what I thought was an ASU package about 2 weeks ago -- before the "release". Aug 14 12:20:28 op odesan Aug 14 12:20:38 op odesan Aug 14 12:21:06 oops zapomniale / sorry Aug 14 12:22:03 e_s_p: buildhost does not build ASU Aug 14 12:22:13 Weird Aug 14 12:22:46 e_s_p: you build an ancestor of the 2007.2 branch, which updated individual packages, but divergent from the work being done by the ASU team Aug 14 12:22:58 OK Aug 14 12:23:05 I guess I'll re-flash then Aug 14 12:23:16 So are socket operations not abstracted then in pyhthon? Aug 14 12:25:08 XorA, rwhitby: that's good news Aug 14 12:25:16 Since my FreeRunner has been really sucking Aug 14 12:26:22 has it now? Aug 14 12:26:45 e_s_p: don't get your hopes up too high ;-) Aug 14 12:29:56 disconnect... Aug 14 12:30:02 last things i said were: Aug 14 12:30:06 CVirus: stable accellerometer API should come by the end of this month/early next month, when we integrate GSoC results Aug 14 12:30:06 (no one really knows right now what will be merged and how. This will probably be decided when I'm in Taipei next time) Aug 14 12:30:06 zedstar: fso will continue to use enlightenment as window manager and illume as launcher Aug 14 12:30:06 fso-image is really a community thing, we can move it to whatever we like Aug 14 12:32:31 mickey: cool ... my bachelor project is in 1.5 years from now ... I'd love to implement something similar to "Shoogle" for OM ... I hope no one is already working on something similar :-D Aug 14 12:34:31 ugggh... stupid snakes. Aug 14 12:35:37 http://www.borza.ro/index.php/category/accelerometer-based-gestures/ Aug 14 12:35:58 anyone tried that? Aug 14 12:36:08 looks like I' Aug 14 12:36:11 looks like I'm too late Aug 14 12:37:07 thwap Aug 14 12:38:37 xeros! Aug 14 12:39:58 hi Aug 14 12:40:20 mickey, if fso is the community thing .. is the OM distribution still Openmoko's main line? Aug 14 12:40:46 I'm just for a moment to bring my irc session here after server shutdown Aug 14 12:41:40 :] Aug 14 12:43:10 mickey: ok thanx....that is what i thought Aug 14 12:50:24 cekay: yes. Openmoko 2008.8 is what Openmoko controls. Of course they pay us to write the framework, but fso-image is our thing. Aug 14 12:50:51 ah, ok :) understood Aug 14 12:51:32 hi does a microSD SDHC 8GB from sandisk work on the FR? Aug 14 12:52:16 admiral0: should work yes Aug 14 12:53:23 anyone see this lil accelerator app ieatlint made? http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/dot/dot.tgz Aug 14 12:53:33 i've seen it on Ebay... very good price ->9€ containing expedition Aug 14 12:55:12 kd8ikt: do you have a screeny? Aug 14 12:56:46 nope Aug 14 12:59:06 * kd8ikt is using latest "qtopia" from buildhost Aug 14 13:00:39 and after a pkg upgrade it runs fine Aug 14 13:01:09 admiral0: most of the electronic stuff on ebay is fake Aug 14 13:01:21 :o Aug 14 13:01:25 qtopia from buildhost? Aug 14 13:01:27 shit Aug 14 13:01:46 the differentiations between one distribution from another is geting wahy too perplexing Aug 14 13:02:09 In other news, @*$^#*&@^*@&#^@*# GLAMO Aug 14 13:02:16 stop fucking up :( Aug 14 13:03:03 kd8, I'm finding that running mplayer a lot on the freerunner, eventually it quits, stream dies, or xlamo implodes, or it freezes the device. Aug 14 13:03:08 Wonderful, eh? Aug 14 13:04:02 works fine for me but i just stream somafm's groove salad Aug 14 13:04:12 at the lowest bitrate Aug 14 13:04:17 like 24k Aug 14 13:04:29 haha Aug 14 13:04:34 since, does it work? Aug 14 13:04:44 ? Aug 14 13:04:48 then again, that doesn't carry any video with it, right? Aug 14 13:04:59 no Aug 14 13:05:03 just music Aug 14 13:05:04 right Aug 14 13:05:18 I would hope glamo is unaffected by the audio component of the system :P Aug 14 13:05:23 well what did you expect the video player output is b0rked Aug 14 13:05:38 I'm tired of this motherfucking glamo on my motherfucking freerunner! Aug 14 13:06:00 well without it you'd have no SD card Aug 14 13:06:00 :D Aug 14 13:06:17 uggh -_- Aug 14 13:06:18 weak. Aug 14 13:06:52 no point in crying now we all bought into the freephone idea now we have to deal with what we got Aug 14 13:07:16 yes you are right... Aug 14 13:07:21 llo Samuel L Dave Aug 14 13:07:28 bumbl:? Aug 14 13:07:29 but it's not the easiest thing Aug 14 13:07:51 Hallo :D Aug 14 13:08:14 for example... I can't telephone because of bug #666 and there seem no progress... Aug 14 13:08:15 Kd8: booo Aug 14 13:09:14 mplayer -playlist http://somafm.com/groovesalad.pls Aug 14 13:10:58 I like it whe nthe red water comes out Aug 14 13:14:44 Zorkman >:) Aug 14 13:14:45 openmoko development is in which language? Aug 14 13:15:01 tsudot: black magic and voodoo Aug 14 13:15:04 hocus pocus too me Aug 14 13:15:06 *to Aug 14 13:15:17 :D Aug 14 13:15:24 Dave: :) Aug 14 13:15:50 Dave: no seriously ? Aug 14 13:16:05 oh i forgot that url should be groovesalad24.pls for the low bit rate stream so you dont kill your bandwidth Aug 14 13:16:06 what else, C? but also python Aug 14 13:16:19 kd8, ooh la la Aug 14 13:16:26 why would it kill my bandwidth? Aug 14 13:16:39 cause i know you constantly download pr0n Aug 14 13:17:16 on the freerunner? Aug 14 13:18:08 nothing beats bandwith-friendly ascii-porn Aug 14 13:18:11 oh and kd8, lawl at glamo Aug 14 13:18:59 whats so damn funny Aug 14 13:18:59 zorkman: svgalib ftw? :P Aug 14 13:19:08 wow!!! i found a version of star wars that the FR plays smoothly!!! Aug 14 13:19:09 kd8 I can see where the problem lays Aug 14 13:19:16 because it's not just that doesn't get good fps Aug 14 13:19:20 it looks just as on my PC Aug 14 13:19:44 what Aug 14 13:19:48 graphics are maybe even better on the freerunner..... Aug 14 13:19:49 if it has to reprocess per new frame it's fucked, but if it only has to redraw/reprocess portions of active frame it's pretty smooth Aug 14 13:19:56 which is indicative of it just not using a driver :P Aug 14 13:20:01 which is the case, is it not? Aug 14 13:20:04 admiral0: I have read and some friends experienced that >90% of memory chips (sd, mmc, memorystick) on ebay are fake and have worse quality than the original ones Aug 14 13:20:13 I still want to hookup my radeon to the freerunner Aug 14 13:20:17 or nvidia card Aug 14 13:20:18 :P Aug 14 13:20:38 Dave, everyone: telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl Aug 14 13:20:48 oh gawd no! Aug 14 13:20:49 :D Aug 14 13:20:56 bumbl:then i'll only buy the adapter for the FR Aug 14 13:21:05 if yo have IPV6 you can see it in color :) Aug 14 13:21:07 (usb mini to usb A ) Aug 14 13:21:27 How do i disable the auto text function on my Neo running the qtopia image? Aug 14 13:21:49 KenSentMe: ask Ken, or look at the wiki, keyboard page of 2008.8 Aug 14 13:21:51 :) Aug 14 13:21:53 Zorkman: you know how old that is? Aug 14 13:22:10 yeah, i know it for about three years, could be a lot older though, don't know Aug 14 13:22:30 but it's still one of the geek wonders of the net :) Aug 14 13:23:43 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8_Keyboard Aug 14 13:24:16 i want to make the zoom reticule not move but stay in the center Aug 14 13:24:31 oh snaps Aug 14 13:24:37 zoom reticule? Aug 14 13:24:41 o.O Aug 14 13:24:43 Zorkman, there is nothing on the wiki page about the auto text function, and Ken doesnt know either Aug 14 13:24:48 Zorkman, yeah yeah :P Aug 14 13:24:53 Ken Aug 14 13:24:58 oh damn, wrong ken :[ Aug 14 13:26:30 KenSentMe: the link kd8ikt provided contains a section at the bottom to change the keyboard, the changed keyboard does not use predictive text..ooops, i reread your message and you are talking about qtopia..; in that case i don't know Aug 14 13:27:10 It's too dangerous with all these sand people around. Aug 14 13:27:31 Sand People! Or Worse! Aug 14 13:27:33 haha Aug 14 13:27:43 rofl Aug 14 13:27:44 Zorkman, sorry i misread. But it uses the same keyboard. However, the auto text is used as default, not the text i type. So when im trying to type something that's not in the database i automaticly get another word that is. Aug 14 13:27:49 * Dave high-fives Zorkman Aug 14 13:28:06 predictive tesxt is sooo lame Aug 14 13:28:33 KenSentMe: you can press and hold a letter, that way you override the predictive thingy Aug 14 13:28:51 press and hold each letter of your word and finish with a stroke from left to right Aug 14 13:29:06 so... to bypass somthing thats supposed to make life easier i end up wasting more time? Aug 14 13:29:11 Dave: hi Aug 14 13:29:12 nothanx Aug 14 13:29:21 Hello Joerg :) Aug 14 13:29:50 * Dave rips out his glamo and throws it at DocScrutinizer Aug 14 13:30:03 kd8ikt: predictive text is nice when writing sms, mails; but it sucks in terminal Aug 14 13:30:08 Zorkman, thanks Aug 14 13:30:18 Dave: will get me in trouble at customs ;-) Aug 14 13:30:27 bumble, it's highly counterproductive in my opinion. Aug 14 13:30:29 @airport ;-) Aug 14 13:30:34 DocScrutinizer :D Aug 14 13:30:37 So, I got some kind of weird error a few days ago Aug 14 13:30:40 It's explosive! ;D Aug 14 13:30:43 About a "firmware crash"? Aug 14 13:30:49 Dave: why Aug 14 13:30:51 It explodes in my freerunner when I run too many graphics :P Aug 14 13:30:51 AP sucks, but free Aug 14 13:30:54 And now my WiFi says "unknown" Aug 14 13:31:05 (digital explosion) Aug 14 13:32:18 e_s_p: strange. Where's this weird error from, i.e. where do you see it? Aug 14 13:32:37 It was a popup in the UI Aug 14 13:32:41 hahaha Aug 14 13:32:48 chewbacca Aug 14 13:33:00 2008.8 Aug 14 13:33:15 bug :) Aug 14 13:33:20 so I dunno about it, sorry Aug 14 13:34:13 retracile :O Aug 14 13:34:14 :o Aug 14 13:34:26 I've got some problems with the update feeds... do I have to replace the old feeds or just add the new one? Aug 14 13:34:34 Joerg, can you explain to me why two of my batteries are already wearing? Aug 14 13:34:43 Dave! Aug 14 13:34:45 wow, 66% of IMAP done ... *yawn* Aug 14 13:35:16 wow, 66% of IMAP done ... *yawn* Aug 14 13:35:28 Joerg, are we TRYING to replace the blackberry? :P Aug 14 13:35:51 :D Aug 14 13:36:30 kd8ikt, do you think we'll ever see an output driver for glamo usable by mplayer? Aug 14 13:36:46 yea its already around but dirty Aug 14 13:36:53 dirty? Aug 14 13:39:28 opkg install Zorkman Aug 14 13:41:29 kd8? Aug 14 13:44:52 Anyone else here running the qtopia image on the freerunner? Is there any webbrowser available? Aug 14 13:45:02 i find life more enjoyable if i ignore your questions Dave Aug 14 13:45:29 is there a vcard import script for contacts on fso? Aug 14 13:45:30 KenSentMe: have you tried minimo? Aug 14 13:45:44 kd8ikt, where can i find it? Aug 14 13:46:34 wget http://www.ginguppin.de/files/minimo.tar.bz2 Aug 14 13:46:34 tar jvxf minimo.tar.bz2 Aug 14 13:46:56 KenSentMe you can install easily...look on the Getting Started page under web, multimedia,etc Aug 14 13:47:01 comes with 3 but only install the first Aug 14 13:47:09 ipk Aug 14 13:47:13 or follow kd8ikt, who typed faster Aug 14 13:48:02 hi kd8ikt, Dave, Zorkman, jOERG, fellow geeks and geekettes Aug 14 13:48:31 hi linuxxr ! Aug 14 13:48:34 Infoport, do you mean on the openmoko wiki or the qtopia website? Aug 14 13:48:36 wassa Aug 14 13:48:50 morning Aug 14 13:49:06 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Installing_multimedia.2C_web_browsing_and_other_applications Aug 14 13:49:15 is there updates for 2008.8? Aug 14 13:49:19 KenSentMe, oh doh! I read ne you are qtopia....then you should follow kd8ikt's advice....I was thinking OM distribution Aug 14 13:49:54 it may be specific package for each Aug 14 13:50:11 my om is workinh somewhat Aug 14 13:50:19 yes there are updates, I just try them out linuxxr Aug 14 13:50:42 kd8ikt, Infoport, thanks very much Aug 14 13:50:43 the alarm wouldnt wake the phone lolol Aug 14 13:51:02 Info! Aug 14 13:51:11 keeping up with how you close apps, switch screens, turn on and off stuff on each distro is making my head spin Aug 14 13:51:20 Gee, thanks kd8ikt. Aug 14 13:51:26 You're so helpful :) Aug 14 13:51:56 no consistency and no beer make Homer something something... Aug 14 13:52:34 what is rcc4? Aug 14 13:54:23 freesmartphone.org: 03 07framework * r8da0bf054514 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpschannel.py: Aug 14 13:54:23 freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Apply gpschannel_add_udpchannel_ane_filechannel.patch Aug 14 13:54:23 freesmartphone.org: This is a good step forward in the quest to support GTA01 (gllin) Aug 14 13:54:23 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r57e37518d4df 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpschannel.py: ogpsd: Some minor (cosmetic) modifications to File- and UDPChannel Aug 14 13:58:14 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r02c41351f508 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: [illume-theme-asu] Add illume-theme-asu into Image Aug 14 13:58:14 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r4abffdced5ac 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-settings] Bump up the reversion of om-settings to 67 Aug 14 14:04:06 linuxxr: I've had other phones like that actually only rang once or twice and then quit the alarm...if you didnt hear, SOL Aug 14 14:05:25 bye :-) Aug 14 14:07:51 oh fucking updates Aug 14 14:07:57 lots of errors.. Aug 14 14:10:13 Does anyone know if OM2008.8 has recently developed a suspend/resume issue? It was working flawlessly for ages, and now it won't work at all, even after a reflash. I'm starting to wonder if it isn't a hardware issue :/ Aug 14 14:15:43 Has nobody upgraded his 2008.8? Aug 14 14:16:03 I've got no idea anymore what the problem could b Aug 14 14:16:04 e Aug 14 14:16:15 There are updates now? Aug 14 14:16:18 yes Aug 14 14:16:25 zecke released some Aug 14 14:16:29 Oh Aug 14 14:16:31 Will check Aug 14 14:16:34 Hello Kev. Aug 14 14:16:57 Hi Dave Aug 14 14:17:00 look at http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/026491.html Aug 14 14:17:08 (@bieber) Aug 14 14:17:21 but there seem to be some problem with the updates Aug 14 14:17:25 bieber: I thing 2008.8 *has* a suspend issue..I and most are turning it off Aug 14 14:17:37 bieber until they fix it at least Aug 14 14:17:59 but on the other side some people on the mailinglist said they could update and all worked fine.. Aug 14 14:18:05 so I must do something wrong Aug 14 14:18:46 DaveLab do you use 2008.8? Aug 14 14:19:21 Kev_ good to know! thanks Aug 14 14:19:44 you're welcome Aug 14 14:20:11 But I don't know if you have to replace your old feeds or if you just add the new one... Aug 14 14:20:53 Kev_ probably just add the new one...opkg will choose the latest file if more than one is available Aug 14 14:21:15 Should I go with testing or development? Aug 14 14:21:29 Kev_ for instance, in OM2007 it finds more than one ncurses for me all the time, takes the latest Aug 14 14:21:33 Raster! Aug 14 14:21:47 bieber, I got more errors with development then testing :) Aug 14 14:21:47 Kev, nope Aug 14 14:21:53 bieber depends on how brave you are, how willing for it to break Aug 14 14:21:59 I'm still wondering what happened to all the 200807 stuff Aug 14 14:22:03 I think Xora destroyed it :[ Aug 14 14:22:18 Infoport, what's new? Aug 14 14:22:22 * XorA wonders why anyone cares Aug 14 14:22:27 * DaveLab cares Aug 14 14:22:34 why?????? Aug 14 14:23:00 Aren't the 200808 images essentially a separate branch at this point? Aug 14 14:23:24 FFS does no-one here listen 200808 is the fscking month the build was done in Aug 14 14:23:25 Dave not much, spent last night working at the hops co-op within the Brewers Guild (sore), gotta go water gain tonight if it doesnt rain Aug 14 14:23:26 again, if not, it is completely understandable how I could have been confused, the naming conventions being used are completely confusing. Aug 14 14:23:29 I'm getting a lot of errors like this: Upgrading kernel-modules on root from 2:2.6.24+git75940+27fc8d82e365c47065f3a92 Aug 14 14:23:29 40bfe21e67a50edf2-r1.01 to 2:2.6.24+git75959+88bf43840b9df0eb0a077a1394eb564be8 Aug 14 14:23:29 0a412e-r1.01... Aug 14 14:23:29 Collected errors: Aug 14 14:23:29 * ERROR: Package kernel (parent kernel) is not available from any configured s Aug 14 14:23:31 rc. Aug 14 14:23:33 * Failed to download kernel. Perhaps you need to run 'opkg update'? Aug 14 14:23:37 * ERROR: Package kernel-2.6.24 (parent kernel-2.6.24) is not available from an Aug 14 14:23:39 y configured src. Aug 14 14:23:41 * Failed to download kernel-2.6.24. Perhaps you need to run 'opkg update'? Aug 14 14:23:43 * ERROR: Package kernel-image-2.6.24 (parent kernel-image-2.6.24) is not avail Aug 14 14:23:45 Kev, stop spamming :P Aug 14 14:23:53 * XorA points to the calendar, look August, 8th month of the year, simple Aug 14 14:24:00 Yes, I gathered that. Aug 14 14:24:06 Then what/where is 2008.8? Aug 14 14:24:06 jesus christ kev Aug 14 14:24:14 sorry :) Aug 14 14:24:17 havent we told you about using pastebin before Aug 14 14:24:22 haha, look, you even woke the kd8 :P Aug 14 14:24:22 2008.8 is a release, it is where the emails told you to get it Aug 14 14:24:30 * DaveLab rolls his eyes at buildhost Aug 14 14:24:37 no, you didn't kd8ikt Aug 14 14:24:46 WELL USE PASTEBIN Aug 14 14:24:56 ok next time ;) Aug 14 14:24:57 haha Aug 14 14:24:59 now you have Aug 14 14:25:11 Kev_ or pastey.com (what cga has been using) Aug 14 14:25:30 latest x11 qtopia build's menu thingy at the top is super laggy Aug 14 14:27:46 i've gone through like 5 builds today Aug 14 14:28:28 I feel soo...inadequate. I only have two OSes on my phone :-( better run go install qtopia.... Aug 14 14:28:30 kd8ikt you need to install the 2D accelerated x server by yourself ;) Aug 14 14:28:53 it's named kdrive-glamo-x11 or so... it's a package Aug 14 14:30:31 crap. I must have to install stuff on Ubuntu to get support to mount those jffs2 images as loopback Aug 14 14:30:55 Infoport, oh god no Aug 14 14:30:59 Please don't use pastey Aug 14 14:32:14 Why isn't 2D acceleration installed by default? Buggy? Aug 14 14:32:20 DaveLab what's wrong with pastey? Aug 14 14:32:47 DaveLab is it the annoying URL verification? Aug 14 14:33:16 bieber, you shouldn't use the daily builds Aug 14 14:34:34 Is it possible to subscribe to bug reports or tickets in the Openmoko trac, so that i receive an e-mail when updates to the tickets are made> Aug 14 14:34:46 add your name in the cc filed Aug 14 14:35:09 (when you are the one that filed the bug I think you get notified automatically) Aug 14 14:35:20 cool that worked Aug 14 14:35:38 anyone play with ieatlint's latest app? Aug 14 14:35:45 what does it do? Aug 14 14:35:57 http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/dot/dot.tgz Aug 14 14:36:01 Zorkman, i am not the one who filed it. How can i add myself to the cc field, i can't change anything or find an add/edit button Aug 14 14:36:07 its a visual accelerometer thingy Aug 14 14:36:38 just untar and run ./dot, it uses ecore/evas stuff Aug 14 14:36:46 do we have to enable the accelerometers ourself? or is it doen automatically? Aug 14 14:36:55 auto ussually Aug 14 14:36:58 Infoport, no, just everything about it. Aug 14 14:37:08 kd8, yes, extensively. Aug 14 14:37:19 (FR is currently downstairs and windows is still booted, need to work some solidworks stuff still) Aug 14 14:37:20 shake to kill Aug 14 14:37:20 You mean the broken one? Aug 14 14:37:23 haha Aug 14 14:37:25 yes, indeed. Aug 14 14:38:01 so I made an alternative keyboard for qtopia with swedish letters. Any ideas about what should I do with it? It works and stuff Aug 14 14:38:28 sevenhundred: maybe ask lpotter, he is the qtopia personification Aug 14 14:38:52 :P Aug 14 14:39:08 lpotter, any ideas? :P Aug 14 14:41:45 did I miss anything? Aug 14 14:42:14 sevenhundred: no Aug 14 14:42:15 yeah Aug 14 14:42:24 tsudot joined Aug 14 14:42:41 he plays the wise, but silent king of opensource at the moment Aug 14 14:42:59 * sevenhundred hails the king Aug 14 14:43:14 damn, you scared him away, he saw you were going to say something Aug 14 14:43:37 hailing kings is hard :( Aug 14 14:44:49 :P Aug 14 14:45:08 he gives audience every sunday morning at 7AM zulu time Aug 14 14:45:18 Interesting... Aug 14 14:45:24 ieatlint, are you around yet? Aug 14 14:46:24 zorkman: nice, I'm a morning person. Zulu time morning person at least Aug 14 14:47:10 unfortunalty nobody knows where the king lives (propably in his kingdom) so it's kina hard to guess when it's 7AM at his palace Aug 14 14:48:08 hailing kings is super hard :( Aug 14 14:48:52 but well worth it, his wisdom has cured cancer, aids AND glamo problems Aug 14 14:49:40 but I don't have sexually transmitted cancerous glamo problems Aug 14 14:49:55 trust me, if you have a FR, you have them :p Aug 14 14:50:17 aw, curses :P Aug 14 14:50:57 ncurses! Aug 14 14:50:57 anyway, gotta work on my Ballad of Tsudot The Great, Who Keeps on Misteriously Dissapearing One Aug 14 14:51:07 my gf is not going to like this. she's already jealous at my fr XD Aug 14 14:51:11 Al Hail the King! Aug 14 14:51:43 (same here :)) Aug 14 14:52:02 i'll play a song for her on epiana and sooth her nagging :) Aug 14 14:52:06 :D Aug 14 14:52:11 jaja Aug 14 14:52:15 DaveLab is going to say "hey Virus" Aug 14 14:52:21 oh gawd Aug 14 14:52:24 expected Aug 14 14:52:26 and Cvirus is going to say "use TABCOMPLETION DAVE!" Aug 14 14:52:31 lol Aug 14 14:52:31 Hell no, I wouldn't want to incite that fool again. Aug 14 14:52:43 Use the Nickcompletion Luke? Aug 14 14:52:57 It's our standard greeting, now is it, Zorkman? :) Aug 14 14:53:06 DaveLab: you make me sick Aug 14 14:53:07 true :) Aug 14 14:53:11 See! Aug 14 14:53:31 I'm trying to add myself to the cc list of a bug report. I think i have to put some code in the comment field to do this, but i cant find out which code. Can anyone help me out here? Aug 14 14:53:54 but goddamn, gotta do some work, hope my freerunner doesn't aquire AI and kills itself before I can play with it again :) Aug 14 14:54:15 DaveLab: make yourself useful and go write those couple of lines of python code you wanted to write Aug 14 14:54:44 Cvirus, yes, mastar. Aug 14 14:57:04 What was that url, again? :P Aug 14 14:58:38 hm Aug 14 14:58:43 I think I have it now Aug 14 14:58:58 why isn't in the 2008.8er repo no kernel package for the neo freerunner? Aug 14 14:58:59 lol Aug 14 14:59:03 DaveLab: http://ilab.cs.byu.edu/python/ Aug 14 15:00:56 Thanks Aug 14 15:01:35 no problem Aug 14 15:02:49 any opkg expert here? Aug 14 15:04:33 Zorkman: qvga, anyone? ;) Aug 14 15:07:31 well, installing mtd support was as easy as using Synaptic and getting mtd-tools Aug 14 15:08:35 hot Aug 14 15:08:36 when you tar up a mounted jffs2 image, would it be tar -cpj or am I leaving off an argument? Aug 14 15:09:24 Infoport, up to your backup tricks again? :P Aug 14 15:10:08 DaveLAb no, just installing qtopia over to the FR (from the jffs2) Aug 14 15:10:26 Nice, kd8ikt: [August 13, 2008 at 4:35PM] : anyone have an ipkg? Aug 14 15:10:27 DaveLab but I want to install to SD, not flash my FR Aug 14 15:10:43 Infoport, good luck :) Aug 14 15:14:15 the wik has a section called "Convert a jffs2 image to a tarfile" and then they leave off exactly that step-- should it be tar -cpj ? Aug 14 15:14:28 wbhi Aug 14 15:15:56 i.e. tar -cjp /media/moko/* /~/openmoko/images/qtopia_rootfs.tar (or am I forgeting an argument?) Aug 14 15:16:26 bumble Aug 14 15:16:34 (with jffs2 mounted at /media/moko/) Aug 14 15:17:43 oops, make that with target and dest reversed Aug 14 15:23:29 say u got a c library access and dbus access to some program and u writing a client app in c...is they are point/advantage to using the d-bus version in the client? Aug 14 15:23:48 zedstar: huh? Aug 14 15:23:55 the same version of what? Aug 14 15:24:27 hey cjb :) Aug 14 15:24:30 cjb ok take gypsy for example.... i could build functionality using a libwhatever or could connect via dbus or libnotfy etc Aug 14 15:25:35 cjb libnotify good example....very easy to access the functionality by just compiling with the library so why would i use dbus in thay case Aug 14 15:25:45 anyone on that runs debian on their moko? Aug 14 15:26:14 if so, have you played with the fso-tools .deb ? It adds zhone, fso, etc. to the debian image Aug 14 15:26:29 I haven't used it yet because my phone was here at the office and I discovered it last night at home Aug 14 15:26:38 i can see the advantage for dbus daemons but from the client side if got choice it seems easy to use a library approach Aug 14 15:26:45 zedstar: I'm still not really followinig, but you seem to be asking whether you should, in general, link to functionality you need with a library, or send messages to something else over dbus. Aug 14 15:27:08 hi Aug 14 15:27:11 cjb yeh basically Aug 14 15:27:17 zedstar: and it's hard to answer. If there's already a daemon running that does what you need, why not use dbus? Aug 14 15:27:19 jadams__: link? Aug 14 15:27:36 toggles_w, also on my machine at home, lemme ask google Aug 14 15:27:49 does anyone of you managed to compile assassin manually? Aug 14 15:27:50 http://wiki.debian.org/pkg-fso Aug 14 15:28:04 jadams__: thanks Aug 14 15:28:09 I don't get all dependencies for executing ./autogen.sh Aug 14 15:28:12 toggles_w, no prob. You run debian on it? Aug 14 15:28:30 I run the debian image, has anyone else turned on xfwm's compositing features? Makes me happy... Aug 14 15:29:03 cjb cos accessing dbus from c even with glib bindings is more work than accessing via library api? Aug 14 15:29:04 hmm my phone is in a coma Aug 14 15:29:10 .. why the fuck does the neo not have UMTS :7 Aug 14 15:29:11 basically im just about to code some stuff with gypsy but i got a choice of using dbus or not Aug 14 15:29:17 cmon wakeup Aug 14 15:29:23 jadams__: compostiging? the glamo-driver has no 3d-accel at the moment, afaik? Aug 14 15:29:36 Rorschach, not an issue at all, I assure you it works Aug 14 15:29:43 Rorschach, it was the neo1973 though, so no glamo Aug 14 15:29:47 Rorschach: will never have Aug 14 15:30:24 jadams__: nope, but will look into it Aug 14 15:30:27 Bish: why not? maybe they gonna free the specs in future.. Aug 14 15:30:36 toggles_w, there's a wiki page on it, I followed it and it worked fine Aug 14 15:30:38 Rorschach: specs? specifications? Aug 14 15:30:50 just untar a known-good debian system onto the SD and boot from it...throw a uImage in /boot as well Aug 14 15:30:56 Rorschach: do u mean the documentation Aug 14 15:31:00 jadams__: aweseom Aug 14 15:31:02 jadams__: I have no neo1973 but glamo is eating lots of cpu when in usage so I'll not try to bother it additionally with 3d :) Aug 14 15:31:13 did you know some browser for qtopia? Aug 14 15:31:29 Bish: yes Aug 14 15:31:41 Rorschach: hm, yeah but it wouldn bee very effective i think Aug 14 15:31:51 i hope gta03(?) will have something like that Aug 14 15:32:09 * Bish would like how gta03 looks :/ what specs it.. especially graphik Aug 14 15:33:10 I want to build a tablet device with a beagleboard Aug 14 15:33:15 or see some open specs for one :) Aug 14 15:33:25 beagleboard for teh awesome Aug 14 15:33:34 !define beagleboard Aug 14 15:33:53 yeah Aug 14 15:34:06 zogs, come back for the next qtopia release :) Aug 14 15:34:17 http://beagleboard.org Aug 14 15:34:28 $149 OMAP3-based fanless ARMv5 Aug 14 15:34:32 kd8ikt, did you accidentally sedate your phone? :( Aug 14 15:34:38 runs linux, 1280x1024 output, easy Aug 14 15:34:41 can decode 720p Aug 14 15:34:45 i got a beagleboard on its way.....not sure wot i gonna do it with it yet Aug 14 15:34:46 well i dunno if its a step forward, it didnt wake from suspend but atleast it didnt show a white screen of death, and when i called it from a land line it rang forever which tells me its still registered to the net Aug 14 15:34:58 zedstar, build a small battery-powered device with a 7" LCD with it :) Aug 14 15:35:13 zedstar, I'm trying to convince my business partner that we need to buy him a beagleboard to play with Aug 14 15:35:24 jadams yeh something funky Aug 14 15:35:41 very good value they are especially at dollar to pound exchange rates Aug 14 15:36:22 kd8ikt: what did you modify? doesn't sound like a progress of the WSOD to me.. Aug 14 15:36:56 instead that X-Server printed at least something: a white screen, it printed nothing for you Aug 14 15:37:04 kd8, so it's on but doesn't wake up, is the problem? Aug 14 15:37:04 and why do i need a beagleboard? Aug 14 15:37:07 zedstar, I've got a few 7" LCDs, that's what I want to do with it Aug 14 15:37:10 haha WSOD Aug 14 15:38:04 kd8, I had something similar happen to me a few days ago, it was on, went to sleep, never woke up, and wouldn't respond to anything, even hd shutdown, but it remained ON. Aug 14 15:38:56 I hope WSOD is fixed soon, it's the only bug which prevents the daily usage of the Neo for me Aug 14 15:39:16 dont worry more issues will pop up Aug 14 15:39:44 hehe Aug 14 15:40:41 hmm, now how to parse my message payloads... Aug 14 15:42:11 do you know what just struck me? That 0 of my expensive phones has had the ability to properly cope with syncing (syncml) and contacts that has no person name (in other words: the number for a company and nothing else) Aug 14 15:43:12 Isn't it sad? Aug 14 15:43:25 Yeah Iphone blows too for contacts. Aug 14 15:43:37 Though it's hardly something to scoff at, overall. Aug 14 15:43:44 Though still sad, of course. Aug 14 15:43:58 Hey dave Aug 14 15:44:24 Hello Torikun :) Aug 14 15:44:50 What's new in moko Aug 14 15:44:57 lot of updates this morning Aug 14 15:45:19 oh yeah? Aug 14 15:45:29 yup Aug 14 15:45:42 I saw nothing. Aug 14 15:45:51 u need latest firmware Aug 14 15:46:01 Firmware? Aug 14 15:46:09 Torikun for what image are you talking about. Aug 14 15:46:14 Man, this gets so confusing :P Aug 14 15:46:18 a new feature : WHen you press and hold power button, it suspends instead of "Shut off" Aug 14 15:46:33 That sounds horrible. Aug 14 15:46:38 Given the fact it may not wake up :P Aug 14 15:46:40 there goes my trouble shooting Aug 14 15:46:43 :D Aug 14 15:46:50 Torikun1: what firmware?!? Aug 14 15:47:01 20080813 Aug 14 15:47:05 so, ASU? Aug 14 15:47:09 Rorschach: bew asu Aug 14 15:47:13 yeah, eww Aug 14 15:47:14 not firmware sorry Aug 14 15:47:20 asu smells :P Aug 14 15:47:27 I like the new ASU Aug 14 15:47:29 more stable Aug 14 15:47:39 and apparently it's having some sort of kinky relationship with fso, or so the channel gossip goes Aug 14 15:47:41 20080813 is reeally good Aug 14 15:47:43 :P Aug 14 15:47:43 Torikun is it the BROKEN suspend in 2008.8? oh wait in OM2007 hmmm...is it stable(-ish)? Aug 14 15:47:46 Torikun1: is suspens/wakeup working? Aug 14 15:47:55 Yes Rorschach Aug 14 15:47:57 very well Aug 14 15:47:58 Infoport, he's talking about ASU Aug 14 15:48:07 Torikun did you TRY the OLD ASU? Aug 14 15:48:16 My god, was that a total piece of crap :D Aug 14 15:48:36 so in ASU there's no WSOD?? Can someone else confirm this? Aug 14 15:48:36 I was mind raped, it was the very first image I tried (by accident), when I first got the freerunner :P Aug 14 15:48:37 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080813/ Aug 14 15:48:44 yeah yeah Aug 14 15:48:59 DaveLab, Torikun well I guess after I install qtopia I'll have to re-install ASU Aug 14 15:49:57 Torikun, wait are you referring to the August releases of OM2007? Aug 14 15:49:58 mooses Aug 14 15:50:23 Infoport, no ASU Aug 14 15:50:26 Choxes :D Aug 14 15:50:33 :D Aug 14 15:50:38 No Infoport, latest ones Aug 14 15:50:41 ASu Aug 14 15:50:42 fly my pretties, fly! Aug 14 15:50:44 Infoport, i.e. openmoko-qtopia-x11 Aug 14 15:50:48 Eeeeeexcellent. Aug 14 15:50:49 >:) Aug 14 15:50:58 tried that. looks ugly as sin :-| Aug 14 15:51:06 stupid arty icons Aug 14 15:51:06 Torikun when you boot, do you see a background with at bottom a house, plus-sign and gears, or lots of icons a la iPhone? Aug 14 15:52:18 Flower Aug 14 15:52:26 blue background Aug 14 15:52:56 How can I install all the openmoko- packages ? opkg install openmoko-* does not work Aug 14 15:55:00 no kidding :P Aug 14 15:55:15 * Chox laffs Aug 14 15:55:15 The Chox is unamused! Aug 14 15:55:21 or is he? Aug 14 15:55:28 you can never be sure. Aug 14 15:55:47 * Chox cares not for arty icons which just make things look stupid Aug 14 15:55:51 Torikun but at the bottom of the screen, the menus are under a plus sign, with a house/home on left and gears on right? it sounds like you have August dailies of OM2007 Aug 14 15:55:56 arty has its place. Just not for meaningful icons. Aug 14 15:56:02 Iam using 2008 info Aug 14 15:56:11 2007 js so unuseable Aug 14 15:56:13 mmm. Iams dog food. Aug 14 15:56:23 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080813/ <--my image Aug 14 16:00:10 Torikun I really really dont think that you are on ASU...here are the ASU releases http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/ Aug 14 16:00:26 Infoport: I am using daily builds of asu Aug 14 16:00:32 200808 official is crappy Aug 14 16:00:38 daily builds are stable and useable Aug 14 16:01:50 Torikun imaging if 3rd parties kept old MS products alive...there would be a 2007 release of Office "2000", which would not be the same as "Office 2007" Aug 14 16:01:51 sounds bad. Aug 14 16:01:56 * Chox is unamused. Aug 14 16:02:45 sounds scary Aug 14 16:02:59 * Bish is bored Aug 14 16:03:00 Either of you foos use the snake? Aug 14 16:03:11 DaveLab they save everyone the confusion by not updating MS much Aug 14 16:03:21 :D Aug 14 16:03:26 yay? :x Aug 14 16:04:26 Torikun check this link-- they have a note that it isnt 2008.8 ASU before the listings http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Downloads#buildhost.openmoko.org_Images Aug 14 16:05:16 my first hint that it wasnt ASU was how useable it was XD Aug 14 16:05:27 weird Aug 14 16:05:27 Oh man, python is SO cool... Aug 14 16:05:50 true Aug 14 16:05:52 In other news, I wish lint would wake up and read my email. Aug 14 16:06:34 DaveLab use the snake? hey my sex life is none of your business! Aug 14 16:06:42 :D Aug 14 16:06:57 I wonder if there will be a case study... Aug 14 16:07:14 What's the relationship between freerunner owners and 'getting any.' Aug 14 16:07:15 :p Aug 14 16:07:49 Is there a dependency? Is it inversely proportional? Mutually exclusive? :p Aug 14 16:07:51 hehe Aug 14 16:08:02 if last night counts this freerunner owner isn't doing too bad Aug 14 16:08:03 Zorkman, any other neat apps to report as of late? Aug 14 16:08:10 wyeager :) Aug 14 16:08:16 <--no sexin overa month Aug 14 16:08:21 geeze Aug 14 16:08:29 and just how long have you owned your freerunner? Aug 14 16:08:34 :P Aug 14 16:08:52 2 weeks Aug 14 16:08:53 lol Aug 14 16:08:54 coincidence? Aug 14 16:09:00 :D Aug 14 16:09:09 DaveLab if my FR ever directly gets me some, I'm packaging it in an app Aug 14 16:09:10 I can see it now... Aug 14 16:09:19 Headline: "Freerunner ruins sex life!" Aug 14 16:09:20 what is that qtopia installer package called Aug 14 16:09:26 Infoport, haha, hot. Aug 14 16:09:36 Ask lpotter Aug 14 16:10:43 DaveLab well mine connects to the internet I guess its just a matter of time (does by yourself count?) Aug 14 16:10:45 beauty and the geek.... an iphone owner and a neo owner! Aug 14 16:10:45 is it safe to leave the screen on all day? Aug 14 16:11:22 i wish i could get xscreensaver to compile Aug 14 16:12:08 torikun, unlikely. Aug 14 16:12:10 * SpeedEvil passes kd8ikt linux.maruhn.com/sec/xsnow.html Aug 14 16:12:17 :) Aug 14 16:12:21 Torikun: completley Aug 14 16:12:32 Torikun: it's got an LED backlight, it'll last >50000h Aug 14 16:12:41 eh xsnow is lame Aug 14 16:13:04 RD-bomb or radar are way cooler Aug 14 16:13:04 screensavers are not needed in flat-panel LCDs either...mostly just for the public these days, not the computer Aug 14 16:13:27 rd-bomb for when i get ahold of mushrooms Aug 14 16:13:35 or dream of em Aug 14 16:13:57 i fricken love rd-bomb Aug 14 16:13:57 kd8ikt how about the one that displays "BSOD"-type crashes for various OSes? Aug 14 16:14:12 yeah thats cool too but rd-bomb for the win Aug 14 16:14:13 simple but sweet Aug 14 16:14:43 dont know if I've seen RD-bomb...gotta check my screensavers Aug 14 16:14:47 i wonder if i can find the source for rd-bomb alone Aug 14 16:15:02 i just figured i needed xscreensaver in general Aug 14 16:15:32 kd8ikt is radar the one that shows MIGs and other planes as blips on a radar, or is it a circular one that gives Moire patterns? Aug 14 16:15:52 yea Aug 14 16:15:59 or pings Aug 14 16:16:09 er wait thats called sonar Aug 14 16:17:53 RD BOMB!? Aug 14 16:18:06 What what are you 'hitting' kd8ikt? :) Aug 14 16:24:23 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r5f86abe1ab52 10/odeviced/src/plugins/idlenotifier/ (idlenotifier.plugin idlenotifier.vala): Aug 14 16:24:23 freesmartphone.org: 1.) Add watchfor key Aug 14 16:24:23 freesmartphone.org: 2.) Remove hardcoding of event nodes for ignoring Aug 14 16:24:24 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * ra13d8bd2e9de 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (input-helpers.c input.plugin input.vala): Refactor input plugin to remove some hardcoding Aug 14 16:26:25 hey is there a place to EDIT the uboot entries? (not just add another) Aug 14 16:26:57 like say change the order so that the un-used FAT+ext2 option is lower? Aug 14 16:27:12 like a grub menu.lst? :p Aug 14 16:27:55 is the bug where you can't charge the fr if it's too low on battery fixed yet? Aug 14 16:28:24 that's what I'd hope...wherever the uboot env is kept Aug 14 16:28:46 how the hell do you exit program like mediaplayer2 and browser 2? Aug 14 16:29:15 Torikun in OM2007, you kill a program with a quick push on power button Aug 14 16:30:17 Yup Aug 14 16:30:23 Torikun in 2008.8 ASU, there should be a "down arrow" at top of screen, reveals running programs, then choose label "remove" that shows up on left when you expand list Aug 14 16:30:40 Ah Aug 14 16:30:42 I will try Aug 14 16:30:47 (confusing when you switch back and forth) Aug 14 16:31:23 Infoport: were you able to play mp3 on it? Aug 14 16:31:38 mediaplayer2 did not have a play button lol Aug 14 16:31:58 Torikun only very quietly...I need to restore/change alsa-mixer states, and then tweak them I think Aug 14 16:32:47 Torikun oh, on ASU? there were 4 or 6 unmarked tiny buttons on the bottom I think...one seemed to play Aug 14 16:33:40 Torikun they need a little work...I found the button by just playing around and poking things Aug 14 16:33:46 ah Aug 14 16:33:49 no gstreamer resource Aug 14 16:33:50 slol Aug 14 16:34:04 the remove thing works great! Aug 14 16:34:05 ty Aug 14 16:34:56 Infoport: If I connect to wifi, Ican do a opkg update/install fine. WHen I use browser or pidgin, I can not go anywhere. Any ideas? Aug 14 16:35:03 Torikun no problem! there *IS* a 2008.8 Guide, but it needs people to add to it, since it has only recently started to have the stuff everyone wonders about ASU Aug 14 16:35:27 is there a pand binary back somewhere? Aug 14 16:35:57 Torikun1: don't know...that's an odd one. no USB hooked up at same time right? Aug 14 16:36:04 Yup Aug 14 16:37:00 Torikun I havent gotten my wifi working on ASU, but then I have only spent a little time on the task Aug 14 16:37:20 ah Aug 14 16:37:29 Torikun1: I cant ever get my router pw to take Aug 14 16:37:45 info I had to change my wifi router password to only #'s Aug 14 16:37:48 woohoo! Aug 14 16:37:50 Torikun1: and it doesnt like the same wpa_supplicant.conf file from OM2007 Aug 14 16:37:53 * SUNWjoejaxx has his GTA02 :D Aug 14 16:38:50 Torikun1: weird...maybe I'll try that, although my wife's laptop etc uses the router and has the (big) old password Aug 14 16:38:53 Man, Xglamo just likes going defunct. :[ Aug 14 16:38:59 /quit Aug 14 16:38:59 exit Aug 14 16:39:02 damnit Aug 14 16:39:12 /fail Aug 14 16:39:17 that was fun Aug 14 16:39:22 Indeed. Aug 14 16:40:12 ok, I'm off for a cigarillo while qtopia un-tars into SD. I 'll try Torikun1's tip about router pw afterward and see if that's the issue Aug 14 16:40:47 anyway, wouldn\t it be easy to just occasionally check how much battery time is left, and if it's dangerously low, shut the phone off sp that it can be recharged? Aug 14 16:40:49 Enjoy, Infobot :) Aug 14 16:41:01 sevenhundred, it does that (now) Aug 14 16:41:06 Better than before, anyway. Aug 14 16:41:09 yay Aug 14 16:41:13 since when? Aug 14 16:41:26 DaveLab bot? did I not pass the Turing Test? Aug 14 16:41:47 :-) Aug 14 16:41:52 :D Aug 14 16:41:54 later! Aug 14 16:41:57 Smoke it! Aug 14 16:42:19 Sevenhundred, since like the third or fourth week in July? Aug 14 16:42:32 In om anyway Aug 14 16:42:47 I can't vouch for all those other stinky distros, but they essentially share much of the same low-level code Aug 14 16:43:13 Trust me, I know, I was one of the worst offenders of "deeply-discharged" batteries Aug 14 16:43:32 Just ask Joerg, I'm sure he was tired of me bitching about it every other day :) Aug 14 16:46:24 Davelab: okay, I've been to scared to let it discharge completely :P Aug 14 16:48:00 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r1b5c2a9d64e5 10/html/index.html: more introductionary text and add some preliminary links (to documents not existing yet) Aug 14 16:48:02 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r4f2829600bd8 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): otapi: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.xml: document RetrieveMessagebook() and RetrievePhonebook(). Thanks Aug 14 16:49:07 sevenhundred, yeah it's fine now. Aug 14 16:49:12 Trust me, I do it every day :P Aug 14 16:49:20 I now have other concerns Aug 14 16:49:23 :) Aug 14 16:59:19 Infoport, hey Aug 14 16:59:21 hi all Aug 14 16:59:43 'ello Aug 14 17:00:49 hi Aug 14 17:01:10 does anyone know how i could change my ringtone on asu ? Aug 14 17:01:14 http://digg.com/linux_unix/My_journey_with_the_OpenMoko_Neo_Freerunner Aug 14 17:03:08 * kd8ikt went back to Milestone 2 Aug 14 17:03:49 back from ? Aug 14 17:04:02 08 Aug 14 17:04:39 suspend wasnt working well enough fo me on fso Aug 14 17:08:11 Alpha 2 Release of Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation is Now Available (Read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gestures) Aug 14 17:08:21 nice Aug 14 17:08:46 Everything what was presented in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2S2rQUETwc you can try now :) Aug 14 17:09:07 sweet, just found the page on the wiki Aug 14 17:09:48 installing ... Aug 14 17:15:45 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rc3f0d52599b5 10/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Aug 14 17:15:45 freesmartphone.org: * add generic rules (Make)file and include this from the others Aug 14 17:15:47 freesmartphone.org: * strip 'error' dbus extension node from xml Aug 14 17:20:13 pvborza: does your programm continiously checks the accelermeters? and does this effect battery life/cpu speed? Aug 14 17:20:57 Zorkman: Aug 14 17:21:01 yes it does Aug 14 17:21:08 it eats up 20% of CPU Aug 14 17:21:10 constantly Aug 14 17:21:24 there will be improvements in the future Aug 14 17:21:51 ok, thanks for the info! Aug 14 17:22:18 you can run top on the Neo Aug 14 17:22:23 to monitor it Aug 14 17:22:28 htop is even better Aug 14 17:22:37 btw: thanks and congratulations, it is really a nice app Aug 14 17:22:43 g2g now Aug 14 17:23:33 hi hab mla ne r Aug 14 17:23:37 frage a euch Aug 14 17:23:38 pvborza: you're the accel guy? Aug 14 17:23:55 Pasqualli_: wenn du deutsch fragen willst in #freeyourphone bitte Aug 14 17:24:04 heh Aug 14 17:24:06 Zorkman, where can i find 20080813 rootfs splash kernrl u-boot and u-boot_env ? here there's only rootfs Aug 14 17:24:08 edistar: yes Aug 14 17:24:10 pvborza: cool work! Aug 14 17:24:22 edistar: thanks :) Aug 14 17:24:36 cga: if it hasn't changed the kernel is the same as the day before Aug 14 17:25:04 edistar, so i can find it in previous folders like 2000808xx ? Aug 14 17:25:09 cga: yes Aug 14 17:25:12 hopefully Aug 14 17:25:18 cool thanks (hopefully) Aug 14 17:25:20 otherwise get an mwester kernel Aug 14 17:25:52 or someone here might have baked one Aug 14 17:26:07 i hope they didn't put the neo in the oven XD Aug 14 17:26:21 hehe Aug 14 17:32:52 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r25dac9584b74 10/otapi/ (Makefile org.freesmartphone.Storage.xml.in): Aug 14 17:32:55 freesmartphone.org: otapi: remove org.freesmartphone.Storage (not part of otapi) Aug 14 17:32:57 freesmartphone.org: temporarily disable doc generation for org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS until this is live Aug 14 17:33:02 http://digg.com/linux_unix/My_journey_with_the_OpenMoko_Neo_Freerunner Aug 14 17:33:44 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r50444ce691f7 10/odevice/Makefile: odevapi: disable docs that are underconstruction Aug 14 17:33:46 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * raac472f47dff 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add toplevel Makefile Aug 14 17:50:08 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r506b3059d93e 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (input-helpers.c input.plugin input.vala): 1.) Add support for reporting time duration through which buttons are held (Untested) Aug 14 17:51:47 cga :p Aug 14 17:51:50 Hei Zorkman Aug 14 17:55:51 hey, all Aug 14 17:56:23 hi Aug 14 17:56:33 Hi there, I have a small question: Is it somehow possible to run Debian arm packages on the Freerunner or do I need to use the toolchain (I want to run xpgs in package gpsd-clients)? Aug 14 17:57:07 Arcnet: well.. if you have debian on your FR it's possible Aug 14 17:57:17 otherwise you'll have to use the toolchain Aug 14 17:58:03 ok, then I use usb-networking and ssh with X forwarding :-D Aug 14 17:58:33 hehe Aug 14 18:01:36 thanks edistar, I'm out trying to get a fix (or see at least one satellite) Aug 14 18:08:42 i've checked out /src/target/OM-2007.2 but i cant find openmoko-libs folder anywhere in there Aug 14 18:09:26 how do i set up the environment now? Aug 14 18:13:30 can anybody help me? Aug 14 18:15:18 hmm? Aug 14 18:15:44 hiss hiss Aug 14 18:15:57 pesky perverse pythons Aug 14 18:16:13 DaveLab, i want to run openmoko apps on linux Aug 14 18:18:11 what about the 'libraries' folder? Aug 14 18:19:39 tsudot, on the pc? Aug 14 18:19:51 what about the env? I actually successfully built it the other day :D Aug 14 18:21:05 mickeyl, do i have to compile each library seperatly? Aug 14 18:21:15 seperatly Aug 14 18:21:22 yes Aug 14 18:21:29 there's no toplevel makefile Aug 14 18:21:40 thanks Aug 14 18:22:01 mickeyl, boohoo Aug 14 18:22:16 mickeyl, do you use python? Aug 14 18:23:03 often, yea Aug 14 18:23:20 ah okay cool Aug 14 18:23:35 I'm just starting to bother learning it :P Aug 14 18:24:18 I've essentially got a query-string and wanted to parse it (hashify), I was going down the road of splittling into a list and then into a dict, etc Aug 14 18:24:24 is there an easier way? Aug 14 18:24:34 Aren't there a million python modules, is there one that does this already? :P Aug 14 18:25:41 indeed, there are. there's something like tokenize which may be handy Aug 14 18:26:14 yeah! Aug 14 18:26:27 in general, pypy is a good module index Aug 14 18:26:38 tokenize? that's not a string function? Aug 14 18:26:43 pypy? Aug 14 18:26:48 tokenize is a module Aug 14 18:26:56 http://pypi.python.org/pypi Aug 14 18:27:00 is a pretty nice package index Aug 14 18:27:11 that should get you started Aug 14 18:27:30 OH Aug 14 18:27:41 neat Aug 14 18:27:55 oh so pypi is like the equivalent of cpan? :P Aug 14 18:28:24 yeah Aug 14 18:28:35 cool Aug 14 18:28:55 just one question then, I searched for tokenize on pypi, and no 'tokenize' came back. Aug 14 18:29:38 ya, that's because tokenize is in the standard library Aug 14 18:29:45 oh okay Aug 14 18:29:46 pypi only lists external modules iirc Aug 14 18:29:51 Yeah alright :) Aug 14 18:30:36 cool, I found it in the documentation :P Aug 14 18:34:44 damn, it's like C all over again :D Aug 14 18:39:41 mickeyl, hey despite of the fact that i installed libgsmd libraries, it gives me library not found error, how do i get around this error? Aug 14 18:40:17 no idea Aug 14 18:40:23 sure the prefix is right? Aug 14 18:40:25 check config.log Aug 14 18:40:51 mickeyl, which prefix? Aug 14 18:41:11 --prefix=foo Aug 14 18:45:41 nah no luck Aug 14 18:46:01 mickeyl is there some convenient syntax by which things can be hashified? (turned into dicts)? Aug 14 18:46:04 anyone able to run lint-wifi in OM2008.8? Aug 14 18:46:25 lollydays, I assume you mean, it runs your wifi correctly. Aug 14 18:46:38 So far, in that department I have not heard much success yet. :) Aug 14 18:47:20 DaveLab: I have lint-wifi up and scanning on FSO :) but it does not connect :( Aug 14 18:47:20 well, you just put the whole thing into a dict Aug 14 18:47:26 Davelab: can't even get the program to start :) Aug 14 18:47:27 right Aug 14 18:47:39 dicts will accept everything as key that's non-mutable Aug 14 18:47:39 oops, i mean :( Aug 14 18:47:41 someone said it works, but then not with whatever their security algorithm is Aug 14 18:47:51 mickeyl, hrm Aug 14 18:47:57 ah, what about Mofi? Aug 14 18:48:29 dict(mystring, delimiter)? :D Aug 14 18:49:02 I'm not unwilling to learn, it just seems like this would be an obvious preexisting function/module/method, somewhere. Aug 14 18:52:10 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rccd7e30ab513 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (input-helpers.c input.vala): Aug 14 18:52:12 freesmartphone.org: 1.) add some debug info Aug 14 18:52:14 freesmartphone.org: 2.) fix hash_table lookup for watches Aug 14 18:52:39 well Aug 14 18:52:45 you can easily create a dict from tuples Aug 14 18:52:52 right Aug 14 18:53:06 DaveLab: what the heck do you want to do ` Aug 14 18:53:06 so if you can turn the string into a list of tuples, you could say dict(tuples) Aug 14 18:53:27 I don't mean to bother you with this mickeyl, it's just I have a string like key=value;key=value;... so I just thought I'd ask a master what the quickest python method would be to accomplish this :) Aug 14 18:53:32 that is turning it into a dict :] Aug 14 18:53:45 oh wow, so dict() really is a function? Aug 14 18:53:55 it's a constructor for dict objects Aug 14 18:53:59 cool Aug 14 18:54:15 is there any way I could add to an existing dict? Aug 14 18:54:15 actually, what you could do if you want to feel dirty... Aug 14 18:54:32 dick Aug 14 18:54:38 kd8 :P Aug 14 18:54:44 we know YOU'RE dirty Aug 14 18:54:49 you need a dick? Aug 14 18:54:52 DaveLab: import cgi;cgi.parse_qs(foo) ? Aug 14 18:54:53 no thanks Aug 14 18:55:10 ronny, oh hot, does that return a dict from a string? :D Aug 14 18:55:21 Though I am still interested in where mickeyl was going Aug 14 18:55:31 cgi.parse_qs('key=value;key=value;') -> {'key': ['value', 'value']} Aug 14 18:55:36 We cannot deny his brilliance! either that, or his naughtiness :p Aug 14 18:55:54 ronny, ah Aug 14 18:55:54 anyone else having problems "roaming" with wifi? Aug 14 18:56:09 roaming? that is, going from one ap to another? Aug 14 18:56:16 like it just dies after first association Aug 14 18:56:19 DaveLab: cause your string just looks like a cgi query string Aug 14 18:56:20 Yeah, it doesn't work. Aug 14 18:56:24 I was disappointed. Aug 14 18:56:30 ronny, exactly! Aug 14 18:56:31 :) Aug 14 18:56:43 need to run some test on how to properly "reset" the device Aug 14 18:56:50 DaveLab: what are you doing? an webserver thing? Aug 14 18:57:12 Writing a client/server app in python Aug 14 18:57:25 and I'm sending strings with payloads which are essentially qs'es Aug 14 18:57:29 so it made sense :P Aug 14 18:57:38 like ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig eth0 up; iwconfig eth0 essid blah; iwconfig eth0 commit; udhcpc eth0 ? Aug 14 18:57:56 kd8, is that what you did? Aug 14 18:58:05 and yes, that's essentially what I did. Aug 14 18:58:08 or maybe there is a /sys/class/ node to reset it Aug 14 18:58:27 kd8ikt, what's worse is, I even experienced difficulty for multiple ap's on the same network Aug 14 18:58:28 this deserves some attention Aug 14 18:58:31 which was just annoying Aug 14 18:58:51 DaveLab: what the heck is that app doing? Aug 14 18:59:00 yeah it ruins my wifiweasel script Aug 14 18:59:16 ronny, I just want a simple client to send data to the server, and the server to just insert/select from a sql db :( Aug 14 18:59:17 Yay - my Freerunner just arrived. Aug 14 18:59:27 congratz Aug 14 18:59:31 I thought I'd try doing it in python since EVERYONE here was talking about it... Aug 14 18:59:40 and it seemed like there was a lot of api's already for the phone in py Aug 14 18:59:42 Odd, does someone know why gpsd can't see any satellite in about 5 minutes while having perfect sight to the sky and no SD-Card inserted on FR with Om2008.8? Aug 14 18:59:50 but so far it's only coming up so-so Aug 14 18:59:57 DaveLab: why not marshal/pickle? Aug 14 18:59:59 that, and I'm dumbfounded with the postgis documentatin Aug 14 19:00:04 I read about pickle... Aug 14 19:00:09 I know not much more than that :) Aug 14 19:00:26 Arcnet: did you modify /etc/default/gpsd to say ttySAC1 Aug 14 19:00:35 yes, I did Aug 14 19:00:36 kd8ikt :P Aug 14 19:00:44 gpsd does not even start without doing that ;) Aug 14 19:00:46 arcnet, is gpsd running? Aug 14 19:00:49 :P Aug 14 19:00:50 http://rafb.net/p/tusOTx11.html Aug 14 19:00:52 yes Aug 14 19:00:58 turned the gps on via the /sys/class fs? Aug 14 19:01:04 thanks mickeyl Aug 14 19:01:07 probably overcomplicated, but the best thing i can come up with now ;) Aug 14 19:01:13 okay okay :) Aug 14 19:01:14 one moment ;) Aug 14 19:01:50 mickeyl, yeah! that's the route I was originally trying to go down... by splitting it first, and then adding them myself Aug 14 19:02:01 I'm just unfamiliar with the syntax Aug 14 19:02:03 i'm sure there is something simpler using itertools or stuff Aug 14 19:02:16 but i'm not parsing strings a lot Aug 14 19:02:20 Arcnet: does cat /dev/ttySAC1 show anything? Aug 14 19:02:25 root@om-gta02:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron Aug 14 19:02:25 1 Aug 14 19:02:27 yes Aug 14 19:02:29 if not its not turned on Aug 14 19:02:32 NMEA data Aug 14 19:02:39 l8er, need a break Aug 14 19:02:41 nomeata: any idea why it doesn't work anymore? Aug 14 19:02:51 mickeyl, what did you think of what ronny said about using cgi_parse Aug 14 19:03:14 $GPRMC,,V,,,,,,,,,,N*53 Aug 14 19:03:14 $GPVTG,,,,,,,,,N*30 Aug 14 19:03:14 $GPGGA,,,,,,0,00,99.99,,,,,,*48 Aug 14 19:03:14 $GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,99.99,99.99,99.99*30 Aug 14 19:03:14 [snip...] Aug 14 19:03:33 DaveLab: never did much web programming, but it might be exactly what you need, if your format string matches the criteria Aug 14 19:03:35 mickey|tv: dict(x.split('=', 1) for x in str.split(';')) Aug 14 19:03:43 Arcnet: that's not a valid fix Aug 14 19:03:45 ronny: oh yes! Aug 14 19:03:56 yep yep Aug 14 19:04:03 yeah ronny, tell 'em how it is! Aug 14 19:04:04 that's the problem ;) Aug 14 19:04:10 * mickey|tv rusty... too much high level software engineering Aug 14 19:04:12 DaveLab: how do you send the stuff to the server Aug 14 19:04:44 $GPGGA,065852.00,5613.022527,N,00306.725890,W,1,05,0.5,158.0,M,0.277000,M,-0.010 Aug 14 19:04:45 It outputs those lines about every 500ms Aug 14 19:04:48 DaveLab: socket.send ? or some kind of http/rpc Aug 14 19:04:48 0515,*7Ais valid Aug 14 19:05:15 Arcnet: How recent a kernel are you running? Aug 14 19:05:35 Arcnet: new ones should have SD related GPS fixes Aug 14 19:05:35 uname -a says: Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Thu Aug 7 15:57:11 CST 2008 armv4tl unknown Aug 14 19:05:45 I use no SD ;) Aug 14 19:05:52 I think the GPS fixes should be in that. Aug 14 19:05:57 You took it outside to get lock? Aug 14 19:06:13 yes, i removed it and am running on internal memory Aug 14 19:06:39 Arcnet: you may be pleased to know with the recent fixes I can get a fix in about 60 secs with the SD card in now :) (on FSO) Aug 14 19:07:09 * kd8ikt wonders if your using a latest kernel Aug 14 19:07:28 oh aug 7 Aug 14 19:07:35 that should suffice Aug 14 19:08:02 SD should be no issue as no card is inserted, or are there any other problems with old kernels and gps? Aug 14 19:12:31 Could this be caused by the bad soldering problem? Aug 14 19:12:41 not really Aug 14 19:14:09 hello Aug 14 19:14:10 in tangogps when it says "no gps" does that mean it doesn't have a lock or GPS is not on? Aug 14 19:14:21 lollydays: it means gps is not on Aug 14 19:14:39 dang it, I turned it on in settings Aug 14 19:14:40 install gpsd, and change the file Aug 14 19:15:01 my name is part Figueroa, live in argentina, I'm originally from Chile, I saw on television as a bomb this city of georgia, the truth I want to help, we are a middle-class family, we do not have many resources, if we can provide housing in our house to no more than 2 or 3 people, so they can leave this place, if someone is interested can send an email to marcoantonioelromano22@hotmail.com Aug 14 19:15:02 change what file? Aug 14 19:15:25 /etc/default/gpsd Aug 14 19:15:31 lol salvador Aug 14 19:15:41 yeah i'll get right on that Aug 14 19:15:43 it should be... *one moment ;-)* Aug 14 19:16:00 I actually have the same gps problem as Arcnet Aug 14 19:16:13 or had when I used om2008 Aug 14 19:16:19 -> GPS_DEV="/dev/ttySAC1" Aug 14 19:16:33 Zorkman :) Aug 14 19:16:39 sevenhundred: which firmware do you use now? Aug 14 19:16:47 (or which image ;) ) Aug 14 19:16:57 ronny, I send it via tcp/ip yeah socket.send Aug 14 19:17:02 I'm on Qtopia (which doesn't have gps afaik) Aug 14 19:17:05 i'm glad i always make you smile Dave :) Aug 14 19:17:09 :) Aug 14 19:17:28 how the programming go? Aug 14 19:17:36 (and the testing since you're back @ the lab :)) Aug 14 19:17:38 DaveLab: then take a look at picle and socket.makefile Aug 14 19:18:03 eh pickle Aug 14 19:18:08 hmmm, okay Aug 14 19:18:10 using no gps solves it, yeah :-P But I think I'll try 2007.2 image, just to be sure it's no software issue Aug 14 19:18:23 ronny, your suggestions and ideas on this subject are most welcome :D Aug 14 19:18:48 he's german Dave, he knows what is best for you Aug 14 19:19:42 well, of course i do, if i didnt know whats best for my minions, how can i possibly take over the world Aug 14 19:19:47 whatever happened to chocky Aug 14 19:20:02 choked Aug 14 19:20:22 Is GPS verified to work with Freerunner/Om2007.2 stable release? Aug 14 19:20:37 I watched television yesterday and looked like bombed georgia, I imagine that many people must flee and not knowing where to go, if someone wants refuge in my home you can find it, we are a family of argenmtina, my mail address is marcoantonioelromano22@hotmail.com Aug 14 19:20:48 (anybody read the book "Choke" by Chuck Palahniuk? always have to think of that when i see his nick :) (that and my first girlfriend :)) Aug 14 19:20:56 Arcnet: it works for me on FSO milestone 2 Aug 14 19:21:21 I didn't try FSO yet, but that would be another good reason to do so Aug 14 19:21:26 salvador: I'm really sorry you looked like bombed georgia Aug 14 19:22:05 heh Aug 14 19:22:09 please me over the private use because a program to translate barely speak English, my language is Spanish Aug 14 19:22:13 gotta love that engrish Aug 14 19:22:45 i dare not "please" someone over the net Aug 14 19:22:58 :-D Aug 14 19:23:02 which is the latest working u-boot for ASU??? Aug 14 19:23:05 pluss wtf are you soliciting this stuff here? goaway Aug 14 19:23:30 salvador: /join #no1kares Aug 14 19:23:40 or come to my lab! we're out of argentinians to test upon, maybe dave can use some also Aug 14 19:24:11 lets keep this confidential Aug 14 19:24:35 What package provides ld? Aug 14 19:24:51 if there people who should leave that country and does not know where, in argentina our family can help the most two or three people, my mail is marcoantonioelromano22@hotmail.com, we want to help people affected by this war Aug 14 19:25:08 fuckoff Aug 14 19:25:34 some1 ban that turd Aug 14 19:26:18 wowµ Aug 14 19:26:32 peace and love bros Aug 14 19:26:42 hello a programm want "fopen" what package does it ? Aug 14 19:26:50 don't insult that poor guy from an unfortunate land Aug 14 19:26:54 XD Aug 14 19:27:32 first we had the king (tsudot_) and now even jesus christ superstar, openmoko really is popular Aug 14 19:27:32 * kd8ikt crucifies Jesus_Chris Aug 14 19:27:33 but it seems slightly off topic Aug 14 19:27:44 lol ZorkmanLab Aug 14 19:27:49 thats an understatement Aug 14 19:28:12 hmm, now openmoko just has to start to work Aug 14 19:28:36 ronny, don't woprry chuck norris will fix that Aug 14 19:28:38 don't worry, next audience i will ask the king, he will fix it Aug 14 19:28:53 chuck norris > king Aug 14 19:28:53 I go to work, and whether any repeat of georgia family is affected by the war and needed shelter our family stands ready to help, we argentina, middle class, but we all love to help people suffering .- send email to marcoantonioelromano22@hotmail.com Aug 14 19:29:06 kd8ikt: Do you run your firmware from SD or from flash memory? Aug 14 19:29:13 flash Aug 14 19:29:15 gracias!!!! Aug 14 19:29:25 de nada salvador Aug 14 19:29:34 fopen does anyone know thois Aug 14 19:29:35 nomeata: sry.. quick question.. xrandr -o left doesn't work, how can I get it to work? Aug 14 19:29:37 this ? Aug 14 19:29:38 salvador, go write shelly the republican Aug 14 19:29:57 anyone? Aug 14 19:29:59 edistar: xrandr -o 1 Aug 14 19:30:05 DaveLab, ? Aug 14 19:30:06 What package provides ld? Aug 14 19:30:16 nomeata: http://nopaste.org/p/aTryUGEBZ Aug 14 19:30:16 cga: seriously, my expectation was, will work with nasty constraints, all i got was not usable as phone Aug 14 19:30:24 ZorkmanLab: doesn't work either, debian Aug 14 19:30:49 Arcnet: also i have a 2GB card in the slut Aug 14 19:30:50 ronny, mine works with default image (2007.2) Aug 14 19:30:50 ah ok, don't count on me than, i know nothing, i'm from barcelona Aug 14 19:31:09 freudian slip Aug 14 19:31:11 you're dirty :-P Aug 14 19:31:18 sound quality is not good enough to use as a phone here :( Aug 14 19:31:21 anyway folks Aug 14 19:31:21 I go to work, and whether any repeat of georgia family is affected by the war and needed shelter our family stands ready to help, we argentina, middle class, but we all love to help people suffering .- send email to marcoantonioelromano22@hotmail.com, bye escriban!!! Aug 14 19:31:32 which is the latest working u-boot for ASU??? (if needed) Aug 14 19:31:35 omfg someone get ahold of an admin Aug 14 19:31:36 ~lart salvador Aug 14 19:31:36 * apt steals salvador's mojo Aug 14 19:31:58 edistar: xrandr -o 3 does not work with xorg on freerunner afaik Aug 14 19:32:03 cga: a few weeks ago te repos for that one broked the kernel, and of course, pim-sync with pc does not exist (no, rsync aint a valid solution) Aug 14 19:32:12 lindi-: thx Aug 14 19:32:20 edistar: but i am not sure if it could be made to work Aug 14 19:32:21 ZorkmanLab: I had to rise mic2 volume on Om2008.8 (modified some state files) Aug 14 19:32:27 edistar: wait till we have xglamo on debian Aug 14 19:32:48 lindi-: I had xglamo on debian once.. just copied the binary Aug 14 19:32:50 Arcnet: yeah i did all that, problem is the other side hears a "buzzing" sound when i speak Aug 14 19:33:01 if i further increase the volume they get an echo Aug 14 19:33:07 and the volume is already low :( Aug 14 19:33:35 yea Aug 14 19:33:42 hm, I don't have any buzzing, but I only called my other phone Aug 14 19:33:57 Where art thou ld? Aug 14 19:33:57 i also don't have buzzing, it's the other side that has that problem :( Aug 14 19:34:20 *I* can use it as a phone, but then other people don't wanna call :) Aug 14 19:34:22 edistar: but does the touchscreen work? Aug 14 19:34:30 lol Aug 14 19:34:33 lindi-: yes Aug 14 19:34:36 my dad stopped calling me because of it ;) everytime i talk to him he complains about it, funny to cause he's practicly deaf(selective hearing i guess) Aug 14 19:34:39 Is ld provided by gcov or something? Aug 14 19:34:49 edistar: i think the problem was that we were not able to compile xglamo Aug 14 19:34:52 kd8, a perfect subject then! :D Aug 14 19:34:53 edistar: can you compile it? Aug 14 19:34:59 lindi, perhaps you can tell me? :) Aug 14 19:35:03 lindi-: never tried Aug 14 19:35:11 DaveLab: maybe in binutils? Aug 14 19:35:13 DaveLab: ? Aug 14 19:35:22 obviously not Aug 14 19:35:31 lindi: I'm trying to find where to get ld from :P Aug 14 19:35:37 $ dpkg -S `which ld` Aug 14 19:35:37 binutils: /usr/bin/ld Aug 14 19:35:42 try build-essentails? Aug 14 19:36:04 ugh i think he means for the phone Aug 14 19:36:41 I don't have one Aug 14 19:36:45 http://www.filewatcher.com/p/binutils-2.11.90.0.24.tar.gz.9639655/binutils-2.11.90.0.24/ld.htm you can compile it Aug 14 19:36:45 kd8, right Aug 14 19:36:49 lindi, for the phone :) Aug 14 19:36:58 DaveLab: i have debian on my phone Aug 14 19:37:00 I was trying to ascertain which package provides ld. Aug 14 19:37:06 lindi, great, that doesn't help me :) Aug 14 19:37:08 oh noes XorA is gone Aug 14 19:37:10 DaveLab: and now you know Aug 14 19:38:01 edistar: sorry, missed the message: no Xorg fbdriver does not support xrandr Aug 14 19:38:52 edistar :P Aug 14 19:39:20 gee, well, thanks for your help Aug 14 19:39:22 DaveLab: how is python + sockets going ? Aug 14 19:39:55 Virus, it was going alright until I was interrupted by not having ld on the phone for compiling some kernel modules :P Aug 14 19:40:19 is that back-up script already on the wiki? can't find it Aug 14 19:40:29 oh yeah i've had huge phone conversations about the "buzzing, poping,and general interference" but all in all the conv still continues, but in a loud env... i doubt i could with the low speaker output on my end Aug 14 19:40:43 Aug 14 19:41:01 Zorkman, so were you simply stating I could compile it, or that binutils is supposed to provide it? Aug 14 19:41:24 gets worse when the cpu is racing Aug 14 19:41:46 like someone called me during an opkg upgrade Aug 14 19:42:04 i was stating binutils seems to provide it, but remember: I KNOW NOTHING (about this thing calles... what's its name? lienuks? :)) Aug 14 19:42:25 ZorkmanLab, not yet on wiki. needs some more code Aug 14 19:42:38 kd8, booom Aug 14 19:42:40 k, np Aug 14 19:42:42 that sounds funny though Aug 14 19:42:57 ZorkmanLab, anyway it works as is . we need just to perfect it a bit with traps and catches Aug 14 19:43:02 Zorkman, I have binutils-2.18 installed, it doesn't provide it apparently, though I have a lib ld.so :P Aug 14 19:43:23 i hoped it would be possible to use a voice-changing tool on the freerunner Aug 14 19:43:25 bash: ld: command not found Aug 14 19:43:36 would be funny to call someone and sound all highpitched and stuff Aug 14 19:43:37 i dont see whynot ZorkmanLab Aug 14 19:43:41 cpu? Aug 14 19:43:56 when i want to use epiano and press te buttons to fast it already jamms Aug 14 19:44:05 but they'd probably know it was you cause of the pops/clicks Aug 14 19:44:06 *too Aug 14 19:44:07 Hi I am currently trying to get a bit into OpenMoko and in connection with that E17 development and I wonder if there are python-e17 bindings preinstalled on FSO or Om 2008.8 ? Aug 14 19:44:08 yep Aug 14 19:44:16 epiano :[ Aug 14 19:44:29 it sucks because the ts doesn't support multitap Aug 14 19:44:29 :( Aug 14 19:44:35 where's synaptics when you need 'em Aug 14 19:44:37 python-ecore python-evas Aug 14 19:44:44 just a opkg install away Aug 14 19:44:54 woohoo :p Aug 14 19:45:47 then again Flyser i was chatting with ieatlint, he's been dabling in ecore/evas stuff and recommends C Aug 14 19:46:15 http://lint.devjavu.com/browser Aug 14 19:46:37 indeed Aug 14 19:46:39 >:) Aug 14 19:46:47 for one writing anything in C instead of say.. python you half the recouses used Aug 14 19:47:01 What? Aug 14 19:47:03 re?sources Aug 14 19:47:14 CPU/MEM usage Aug 14 19:47:16 python you? Aug 14 19:47:19 geeze Aug 14 19:47:25 no more mushrooms for you!:p Aug 14 19:47:37 thats great http://accelges.googlecode.com/files/accelges_0.1.0-svnr204-r2_armv4t.ipk Aug 14 19:47:39 omg rd-bomb tripping Aug 14 19:47:46 vala ftw Aug 14 19:47:56 c is just messy Aug 14 19:47:59 kd8ikt: thanks Aug 14 19:48:00 haha Aug 14 19:48:08 kd8 did you ever find the screensaver source? :( Aug 14 19:48:25 ernst what is it? Aug 14 19:48:33 nope Aug 14 19:48:54 only think it exists in xscreensaver, and god knows if i can find it inside Aug 14 19:49:16 suprisingly xscreensaver is pretty darn small Aug 14 19:49:22 :| Aug 14 19:49:24 the source tarball Aug 14 19:49:27 oh nice Aug 14 19:49:33 pass it around? Aug 14 19:49:35 but its still over my head Aug 14 19:49:39 heh Aug 14 19:49:46 * DaveLab prods ernst Aug 14 19:49:54 bah I still can't find ld Aug 14 19:50:36 WB DaveLab Aug 14 19:50:46 \o/ Aug 14 19:50:59 http://digg.com/linux_unix/My_journey_with_the_OpenMoko_Neo_Freerunner Aug 14 19:51:10 Flyser: ieatlint just finished up a "simple" lil app he made using e17 libs if you want to see it and the sources Aug 14 19:52:28 http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/dot/dot.tgz <-- displays a background image and draws a "icon" that moves around in relationship to the accelerometer data Aug 14 19:52:46 source --> http://lint.devjavu.com/browser/dot Aug 14 19:54:05 its really "cute" next we should mod it for a labrynth type game Aug 14 19:54:11 heh Aug 14 19:54:22 anybody else get errors when installing gestures app? Aug 14 19:54:47 i was missing libnotify and something else so i gave up Aug 14 19:55:11 i get s.0 and so.0.0.0 errors Aug 14 19:55:30 gestures? what are you, some msn live kiddie? :P Aug 14 19:55:39 what!? an unamed lib? Aug 14 19:55:56 torikun, fyi, your link doesn't work Aug 14 19:56:07 negative on that sixty-niner Aug 14 19:56:13 DaveLab, No. Aug 14 19:56:23 Sargun, no? Aug 14 19:56:45 isnt sargun some evil guy from startrek? Aug 14 19:56:50 No. Aug 14 19:56:50 asdf Aug 14 19:56:54 ASDF! Aug 14 19:57:01 jkl; Aug 14 19:57:02 Gestures = Accelermometer Aug 14 19:57:04 JKL! Aug 14 19:57:07 jebus Aug 14 19:57:08 SEM!!! Aug 14 19:57:21 anyone know how to import contacts in FSO? Aug 14 19:57:40 enter them in one by one manually Aug 14 19:57:45 have fun! Aug 14 19:57:46 lollydays: have you figured out the format? Aug 14 19:57:59 well, i have a big VCF file Aug 14 19:58:17 Anyone here have ld on their phone? :P Aug 14 19:58:32 i do :) Aug 14 19:58:36 nope just ldconfig Aug 14 19:58:42 in ASU i just ran /opt/Qtopia/bin/addressbook, but FSO doesn't have the qtopia stuff Aug 14 19:58:43 lindi, hah yeah yeah Aug 14 19:58:57 lindi, unfortunately, I don't think your debian version will do me much good :) Aug 14 19:59:07 helpfule http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gestures Aug 14 19:59:50 welp Aug 14 19:59:53 lindi-, so do you know how to import contacts in FSO? Aug 14 19:59:57 that makes twice i drain the battery all the way Aug 14 20:00:26 So what's the point of it? Aug 14 20:00:31 btw, boot of a phone with no battery power left is possible Aug 14 20:00:49 shake your freerunner like a nanny shakes your infant to death, in order to shut your phone up? Aug 14 20:01:09 doesn't lint already implement SIBS in dot? ;p Aug 14 20:01:17 lollydays: do you know where the contacts are? Aug 14 20:01:27 heh Aug 14 20:01:32 haha > Vigorous shaking (side to side) while receiving a call could reject it. Aug 14 20:01:40 lindi-, on the phone? no Aug 14 20:01:57 so I just got my freeruner (yay!), what are these 2 clunky plastic things with 2 poles and holes for an electric plug thing? Aug 14 20:01:58 I can just picture kd8ikt envisioning himself strangling the caller (one of his relatives) Aug 14 20:01:59 lollydays, i have a ugly script, i'll put it on the wiki if you want Aug 14 20:02:18 contacts are stored on the sim Aug 14 20:02:19 lollydays: figure out that first Aug 14 20:02:20 pull a homer/bart simpson strangle Aug 14 20:02:26 so it's very limited Aug 14 20:02:26 Wiedi, as long as it works, that'd be great Aug 14 20:02:32 i have too many contacts on my sim Aug 14 20:02:34 kd8ikt: dor does not seam to work on 2007.2... or am i doing anything wrong+? Aug 14 20:02:37 it auto imports SIM contacts Aug 14 20:02:43 i mean, i have too many to fit on my SIM Aug 14 20:02:44 i just untarred it and ran ./dot Aug 14 20:02:59 what? dot? it needs some e libs Aug 14 20:03:06 yeah Aug 14 20:03:07 i noticed 2007.2 doesn't import _all_ SIM contacts Aug 14 20:03:10 only so many Aug 14 20:03:31 * DaveLab whines about not having a linker Aug 14 20:03:35 Zorkman: http://lint.devjavu.com/browser/dot/dot.c <-- if you look at the #includes thats what it needs Aug 14 20:03:43 thanks Aug 14 20:03:54 btw: it breaks my terminal window; i cant ctrl-c :) Aug 14 20:03:56 ecore evas etc possibly maybe Aug 14 20:04:08 Zorkman :D Aug 14 20:04:09 oh yeah naughty spank spank? Aug 14 20:04:28 only way i could kill it like that is kill -KILL pid# Aug 14 20:04:32 yeah, but when i run it with display=:0 not even spanking, just nothing :) Aug 14 20:04:42 damn, so FSO stores contacts on the SIM? That sucks. Aug 14 20:04:45 hm Aug 14 20:04:48 shake shake shake Aug 14 20:04:52 shake shake shake Aug 14 20:04:52 Back to ASU for me Aug 14 20:06:21 hey when I make a boot image on SD card, and want to specify where it is, do I say it is on /boot/uImage.bin or do I use /dev/mmcblk0p3/boot/uImage.bin? Aug 14 20:06:42 Is it possible to install gpsd on FSO? Aug 14 20:06:49 yeah Aug 14 20:06:51 Arcnet: yes Aug 14 20:06:58 how? :-D Aug 14 20:07:02 what? dot? it needs some e libs o.h> Aug 14 20:07:02 2 #include Aug 14 20:07:02 3 #include Aug 14 20:07:02 4 #include Aug 14 20:07:06 5 nowhoopz Aug 14 20:07:19 opkg install gpsd throws error -2, so it's not in the repo Aug 14 20:07:34 anybody with tri-boot? Aug 14 20:07:38 what's the accelerometer dev packages? Aug 14 20:07:41 Or can i savely install the Om2007.2 package? Aug 14 20:07:55 opkg install http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/updates/distro-feed-configs_1.0-r0_om-gta02.ipk ? Aug 14 20:07:59 Arcnet: Aug 14 20:08:08 thanks you ^^ Aug 14 20:08:12 -s... Aug 14 20:08:20 oh wait those repos are empty Aug 14 20:08:24 libecore-evas, python-evas, libevas... Aug 14 20:08:43 lemmie show you my repos Arcnet Aug 14 20:09:18 :) Aug 14 20:10:03 so I just got my freeruner, what are these 2 clunky plastic things with 2 poles and holes for an electric cord? Aug 14 20:10:36 those are antenna connectors for gps and gsm (i think ;)) Aug 14 20:10:42 :D Aug 14 20:10:43 Ian00: international power adapters Aug 14 20:10:46 http://pastebin.ca/1171897 Aug 14 20:10:49 anybody triple-booting? Aug 14 20:10:56 ahh, thank you. Aug 14 20:11:00 DaveLab: yes'em? Aug 14 20:11:03 Sargun: yes'em? Aug 14 20:11:22 Ian00 they gave you several plugs, yuou slide the correct one into the end of the power adapter and click Aug 14 20:11:24 oh dang pastebin.com banned me Aug 14 20:11:39 kd8ikt: doh Aug 14 20:11:44 kd8ikt: build your own Aug 14 20:11:45 ^^ Aug 14 20:12:08 guess someone flagged my two instances of ascii nekid ladies (not like it was a huge deal anyway i set it to only last a day Aug 14 20:12:50 I can't connect to pastebin.ca, strange Aug 14 20:13:02 haha Aug 14 20:13:06 hi everybody, I tried 2008.8 but the wifi won't work, then I installed fso, everything's fine but it doesn't have any web browser, how can I install one? Aug 14 20:13:12 ascii ladies? ooooOOO. did you sign it xoxoxo? they may have seen that as hardcore action porn Aug 14 20:13:41 it was the best openmoko code i've seen :) Aug 14 20:13:41 Arcnet: http://rafb.net/p/fkVAUG14.html Aug 14 20:13:55 yeah ^^ Aug 14 20:14:31 Oh, Schäuble lässt Grüßen @ totalueberwachung.de :-D Aug 14 20:16:31 whoopz i neglected that pastebin.com shows a list of most recent pastes Aug 14 20:19:11 ew nice http://openmoko.pastebin.com/m5d243502 Aug 14 20:20:05 asdf, rofl Aug 14 20:20:36 what are you two going on about anyway? Aug 14 20:20:54 o.0 Aug 14 20:21:07 kd8ikt, almost as hot as http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing? Aug 14 20:21:37 gotta fly, be back later. Aug 14 20:21:42 Later man. Aug 14 20:21:56 What a peculiar young man. Aug 14 20:23:09 DaveLab, in order for 20080813 to boot is it necessary to flash the u-boot too? Aug 14 20:23:16 cga: no Aug 14 20:23:19 ok Aug 14 20:23:23 thanks Aug 14 20:23:28 np Aug 14 20:23:34 :o Aug 14 20:23:45 Oh, so now you wanted to be cool as well, Zorkman? :P Aug 14 20:23:51 two people in the lab are better than one :) Aug 14 20:23:56 Who invited you anyway? :P Aug 14 20:23:58 hah Aug 14 20:24:09 Yeah, unfortunately it's already crowded here today. Aug 14 20:24:19 we need to kick some life in our freerunner, i'll provide the corpse and the iron pole, you provide the thunderstorm Aug 14 20:24:22 going to flash then Aug 14 20:24:27 @kd8kit: gps still outputs trash data... there is something seriously wrong :( Aug 14 20:24:39 maybe you have a dirty gps Aug 14 20:25:14 does 20080813 have a shell? (or at least can i ssh into neo with it?) Aug 14 20:25:31 you can always ssh in the phone Aug 14 20:25:38 and you can opkg install a terminal Aug 14 20:25:41 cool Aug 14 20:25:52 thanks. going to flash anmd try asu then Aug 14 20:25:53 (don't know if it has one by default) Aug 14 20:25:59 I don't know about 20080813 but in 20080808 you can install one or two of them Aug 14 20:26:02 me too Aug 14 20:26:09 ftnt, thanks Aug 14 20:27:13 gaga Aug 14 20:27:18 Zorkman: you can only ssh in once it is booted into a compliant OS (all of these) but if you screw up the OS, you can ALWAYS boot the uBoot and re-flash Aug 14 20:27:24 opkg install world Aug 14 20:27:46 opkg install workingphone Aug 14 20:27:55 opkg install newPres Aug 14 20:27:57 error: -2 Aug 14 20:28:05 okpg install chuck_norris Aug 14 20:28:05 hah Aug 14 20:28:19 --force-depends Aug 14 20:28:31 rotating kick selecet as dependecy Aug 14 20:28:33 unsatisfied dependency giant-beltbuckle Aug 14 20:28:39 :P Aug 14 20:28:44 fucking walker :P Aug 14 20:28:57 darn Aug 14 20:29:09 damn qtopia isnt booting for me...I guess I dont have triple-boot down right Aug 14 20:30:09 do the name have to be uImage.bin rootfs.jjfs2 ? Aug 14 20:30:42 cga: what name? Aug 14 20:30:49 accelges destroyed my phone Aug 14 20:30:54 what do you mean cga? Aug 14 20:30:56 lindi-, names of the files i wanna flash to the neo Aug 14 20:31:07 cga: I was told that you just needed to replace the variable \S{sd_image_name} with a real name, but I dont have it right apparently Aug 14 20:31:11 cga: are the filenames transmitted over usb? Aug 14 20:31:29 yes with dfu-util.. what else? Aug 14 20:31:42 cga: does dfu-util send the filenames? Aug 14 20:31:50 lindi-, i don't know Aug 14 20:31:53 ~_~ Aug 14 20:31:54 STOP DOING THAT! Aug 14 20:32:10 ~lart cga Aug 14 20:32:10 cga: i'm quite sure it doesn't, use strace to be sure Aug 14 20:32:10 * apt takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down cga's throat until cga puts on 150lbs Aug 14 20:32:18 cga: yes you need a *.jjfs2 (root file system) and a kernel: uImage.bin Aug 14 20:32:19 ok lindi- Aug 14 20:32:26 apt: por favor, no digame mierdo Aug 14 20:32:27 cga: or read dfu-util source? Aug 14 20:32:28 yum Aug 14 20:32:49 horay Aug 14 20:32:53 tangogps is working now Aug 14 20:33:01 something is bugged in the repository version Aug 14 20:33:08 How did you fix it? Aug 14 20:33:08 it's possible Aug 14 20:33:08 lindi-, i'm not in the mood for reading sources thanks =) Aug 14 20:33:14 (same problem here ;) ) Aug 14 20:33:18 i installed directly from the website Aug 14 20:33:24 cga: you should always be :) Aug 14 20:33:24 that's what you should do! Aug 14 20:33:30 * DaveLab high-fives rooly Aug 14 20:33:40 * rooly|away accepts high-five and repays in kind Aug 14 20:33:43 :D Aug 14 20:33:45 with a low-five Aug 14 20:33:47 fd = open(fname, O_RDONLY|O_BINARY); Aug 14 20:33:59 with triple-boot my newer qtopia uImage doesnt seem to load right, get a command not recognized Aug 14 20:34:41 it flips past quickly, looking again Aug 14 20:34:57 cga: dfu-util just opens the file based on the filename, it does not tell that filename to the phone Aug 14 20:35:08 lindi-, cool thanks =) Aug 14 20:35:10 cga: took like 5 minutes to check the source Aug 14 20:35:27 lindi-, well yes.. if you know what to search for Aug 14 20:35:29 * rooly|away goes put clothes washing Aug 14 20:35:44 cga: dfu-util is very short Aug 14 20:35:51 cga: this is the first time i am reading dfu-util source Aug 14 20:36:44 one more question: i still have the uboot coming with default 2007.2 and i want to have multiboot (NAND+microSD) should i flash taht too? i've heard that it's needed for ext2+ext2 or something likely. Aug 14 20:36:50 unknown command '1125200' Aug 14 20:37:00 hey ronny, still around? Aug 14 20:37:44 cga: yes flash uboot Aug 14 20:37:55 cga: probably if you want to use ext2+ext2....that is what I did to use that for multiboot of 2008.8 Aug 14 20:38:16 and if you want to boot from SD: use fat for kernel and use ext2 for roots on SD, that way you don't have to edit the uboot entries Aug 14 20:38:20 ZorkmanLab, Infoport ok. any particular version of uboot? Aug 14 20:38:45 ext3 is compatible to ext2, so you can use vfat+ext3 as well Aug 14 20:38:45 ZorkmanLab, but mmontour told us that i can put kernel and rootfs in the same partition Aug 14 20:38:45 latest one Aug 14 20:38:47 cga: I just grabbed the latest recommended, around Aug 5th Aug 14 20:39:00 i can't get usb keyboard work with http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080808/u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr46+dc633f4be2527f844158aa5085c278b0c3039d3f-r0.bin Aug 14 20:39:05 cga: mmontour probably knows more about that than me, i have not tried that one Aug 14 20:39:16 'echo "host" > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode' prints '-bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument' Aug 14 20:39:21 ok i'll do it and tell you about it Aug 14 20:39:29 could somebody with working usb host support provide me listing of 'lsmod'? Aug 14 20:39:38 * cga hopes not to brick his neo.... Aug 14 20:39:50 i want to install FSO on my SD card, is there a tarball of the rootfs? Aug 14 20:39:58 cga: I am still trying to figure out how to put uImage in a nonstandard place...it is complaining that it can't find uImage.bin (on the first try after power up, then error changes) Aug 14 20:39:59 lindi-, not me sorry... that's why i'm flashing. no usb anymore. Aug 14 20:40:17 cga: it works as usb device here, just not as host Aug 14 20:40:22 Danger Will Robinson! Aug 14 20:40:32 cga: you can ALWAYS reflash your FR, unless you brick both NAND and NOR, and you have to use debug board to brick NOR Aug 14 20:40:50 you do? Aug 14 20:40:56 or be Dave :P Aug 14 20:41:16 lindi-, mine doesn't get charged by usb (wall charger works fortunately) and it doesn't get connect to laptop usb for ssh Aug 14 20:41:28 cga: different issue then Aug 14 20:41:29 Infoport, good Aug 14 20:41:34 anyone know where i can get zenity for python? Aug 14 20:42:01 cga: wow, how did that happen? Aug 14 20:43:10 killall glamo Aug 14 20:44:18 lindi- here is a link with lsmod output..may have lots of junk you dont need though http://www.pastey.net/93843 Aug 14 20:44:36 can't find libvte9_0.16.9, openmoko-terminal2 is dependent on it, i can only find libvte9_0.16.8-rc3 for armv4t Aug 14 20:45:38 lindi- you said usb HOST support, so that is from my host (tell me if you needed OM lsmod output) Aug 14 20:46:16 DaveLab, if I call you Dave when you are on DaveLab, does IRC recognize it? Aug 14 20:46:31 I AM DAVE. Aug 14 20:46:34 Everywhere. Aug 14 20:46:39 We hear you. Aug 14 20:46:40 Infoport, did you get the uboot from here http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/ ? Aug 14 20:47:05 Infoport, "how did it happen" -->> i run opkg update and opkg upgrade Aug 14 20:47:09 probably not, since I got it Aug5th Aug 14 20:47:21 cga is your script functional and/or publicly available on the wiki, yet? Aug 14 20:47:24 Infoport: hmm, it works Aug 14 20:47:25 am i the onlyone not getting anymore updates? Aug 14 20:47:29 Infoport: i get the error but it works Aug 14 20:47:41 Infoport: i'll try to investigate if loading gadgetfs helped Aug 14 20:47:47 rooly, nope Aug 14 20:48:02 Infoport: usb host support on freerunner yes Aug 14 20:48:12 Dave, the script is 100% working but still needs some code for traps for people choosing the wrong device , i could publsih it anyway. Aug 14 20:48:20 but it doesn't work under xorg now, hmm Aug 14 20:48:27 should be easy to configure :) Aug 14 20:49:42 DaveLab, should i publish? (read above) Aug 14 20:49:48 grr..this uBoot entry doesnt want to cooperate...it still seems to be looking for uImage.bin rather than uImage3.bin Aug 14 20:50:02 Infoport, is GPLv3 ok for you? Aug 14 20:50:24 cga: fine with me! Aug 14 20:50:28 coll Aug 14 20:50:29 cool Aug 14 20:50:37 jomat__, is GPLv3 ok for you? Aug 14 20:50:47 cga: YES PLEASE DO Aug 14 20:50:59 cga, want me to fix that incorrect selection issue though? :P Aug 14 20:51:00 don't shout or i shoot!!! Aug 14 20:51:03 :D Aug 14 20:51:05 cga: it could be copyleft, except GPL versions at least have EFF behind them Aug 14 20:51:22 and Free Software Foundation Aug 14 20:51:28 eh GPL is the only license i would use anyway Aug 14 20:51:47 (for any code i will write) Aug 14 20:51:48 cga: ikke drep meg. ta alt dere vil ha, men ikke drep meg! Aug 14 20:52:01 DaveLab, certo non c'è problema Aug 14 20:52:18 me no speaky italia Aug 14 20:52:24 no speak dutch Aug 14 20:53:31 cga, norsk? :D Aug 14 20:53:34 snakker? Aug 14 20:53:40 fuch Aug 14 20:54:13 DaveLab, whatever language you speak that's not italian or english is uknown for me Aug 14 20:54:44 norwegian ;P Aug 14 20:54:50 DaveLab: eru norsk? Aug 14 20:54:52 cga: Principia Discordia (published in 60's) had a copyleft-- "All rites reversed -- reprint what you like" ...but then they werent assaulted by lawyers from MS,Novell,etc Aug 14 20:54:52 (except for french and spanish, which i know a bit) Aug 14 20:54:57 :DDDDD Aug 14 20:55:05 jajjajaaj Aug 14 20:55:14 Quai hei :] Aug 14 20:55:45 evening :) Aug 14 20:55:51 Dave: are you Norwegian, or just a trouble maker? Aug 14 20:55:51 hmm, now usb keyboard works in tty1 but not under xorg Aug 14 20:56:03 stÃ¥r til? Aug 14 20:56:12 Infoport, all of the above. Aug 14 20:56:13 we should respect the rest and keep this channel english :) Aug 14 20:56:28 :( Aug 14 20:56:48 jeg forstÃ¥r... :\ Aug 14 20:56:57 anybody have luck with triple-boot? Aug 14 20:57:04 you know, this is the guys that are going to help you when you are stuck with your freerunner ;) Aug 14 20:57:31 Quai: you are assuming that Dave is saying something useful? Aug 14 20:58:05 >:o Aug 14 20:58:22 infoport, vil du ha bank? :D Aug 14 20:58:27 just poking fun Dave...I dont expect *everything* you say to help me with MY issues Aug 14 20:58:31 my lastlog shows nothing bad :P Aug 14 20:58:37 except that last one ;P Aug 14 20:58:40 :P Aug 14 20:58:58 Quai, he asked for it! Aug 14 21:00:01 Dave: you'll have the bank? not sure I translate that... Aug 14 21:00:55 * DaveLab giggles Aug 14 21:01:14 Quai: Dave has been lots of help, so I consider him enough a friend to accept joking-- all is OK! Aug 14 21:01:25 Hooray! Aug 14 21:01:30 "Bank" is norwegian slang for "beating up" Aug 14 21:01:30 * DaveLab high-fives Infoport Aug 14 21:01:31 :D Aug 14 21:01:32 hey i get an error when trying: dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a u-boot -R -D /home/cga/freerunner/images/2008.08/20080813/uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin ----> No such Alternate Setting: "u-boot" ?_? Aug 14 21:01:34 * Quai hides Aug 14 21:01:35 Quai :D Aug 14 21:01:39 you weren't supposed to tell him! Aug 14 21:01:59 quai, hvor ble du av? >:) Aug 14 21:02:01 Dave: sure I didnt translate bank right...Oh I see now! Aug 14 21:02:20 I dont think he thought that you were going to give him a bank ;P Aug 14 21:02:36 :D Aug 14 21:02:40 DaveLab, do something useful for society... help me! :P Aug 14 21:02:46 Quai, that's what I thought the first time a friend asked me a long time ago, but after getting beat up, I sure learned my lesson :D Aug 14 21:02:49 cga :P Aug 14 21:02:50 * cga going to publish the script Aug 14 21:02:56 \o/ Aug 14 21:02:58 hehe Aug 14 21:03:13 anyone has an idea on why i get that error?? Aug 14 21:03:24 quai, hva gjør du? Aug 14 21:04:06 cga: yea! I was telling someone about the script, and started to say "my friend in Italy", so I guess I consider you a friend too -- I'll look for your couch next time in Italy ;) Aug 14 21:04:09 nÃ¥, eller generelt? :P Aug 14 21:04:31 eh eh ok Infoport (if i'll be still here) Aug 14 21:04:34 eeeeeeeeh Aug 14 21:04:40 er du full? :D Aug 14 21:04:50 DaveLab: ERUFULLELLER Aug 14 21:04:52 egry itloa u? Aug 14 21:05:01 rooly make an ipkg Aug 14 21:05:01 LAWL Aug 14 21:05:03 * cga fakes norsk Aug 14 21:05:03 :DDDD Aug 14 21:05:15 cga: du misslyckas Aug 14 21:05:16 zash, er du stein eller? Aug 14 21:05:18 :DDD Aug 14 21:05:32 DaveLab: du kan vara en sten Aug 14 21:05:37 Dave bidrar med mange feil. Aug 14 21:05:38 jajaja :D Aug 14 21:05:59 infoport, snakker du til meg? >:) Aug 14 21:06:52 * Quai is attending YAPC in Copenhagen Aug 14 21:07:03 Dave, jeg var bare braggin om deg i norsk. Aug 14 21:07:16 ~_~ Aug 14 21:07:17 STOP DOING THAT! Aug 14 21:07:21 apt: drit i det! Aug 14 21:07:22 hahha Aug 14 21:08:41 apt: do you like working here? Aug 14 21:08:42 yes, I like working here. Aug 14 21:08:53 apt: do you accomplish much work? Aug 14 21:08:53 yes, I accomplish much work. Aug 14 21:09:06 apt, liker du Ã¥ suge? ;p Aug 14 21:09:14 apt: do you sexually harass co-workers? Aug 14 21:09:15 yes, I sexually harass co-workers. Aug 14 21:09:36 apt: do you drink good beer? Aug 14 21:09:37 yes, I drink good beer. Aug 14 21:09:45 Apt: can I stay at your place? Aug 14 21:10:04 that made Apt pause... :D Aug 14 21:10:12 apt, will i get rich with my script? Aug 14 21:10:28 apt: do you pay for good scripts? Aug 14 21:10:29 yes, I pay for good scripts. Aug 14 21:10:34 hey hey! Aug 14 21:10:35 \0/ Aug 14 21:10:45 apt: why not make them yourself Aug 14 21:10:46 why not? Aug 14 21:10:56 apt, vil du være med meg hjem i natt? ;) Aug 14 21:11:09 hi Aug 14 21:12:14 Dave ooohhh, gonna get some bits! Aug 14 21:12:20 ;p Aug 14 21:12:24 Chox it like it's hot. Aug 14 21:12:30 * Chox does the Chox Aug 14 21:12:51 therre should be a translation plugin for XChat so I dont have to decode it myself Aug 14 21:12:53 i trying to run bluetooth on freerunner(debian) and power_on 1 does't work anyone do it succesfully ? Aug 14 21:13:16 ok, I guess this tri-boot isnt gonna work, time to take a break Aug 14 21:14:16 :) Aug 14 21:14:26 maybe smoke some more, infoport? Aug 14 21:14:29 you seem to like that. Aug 14 21:15:36 zash, jeg vet du er der! Aug 14 21:15:55 DaveLab: orly Aug 14 21:15:59 apt: hos meg eller deg? Aug 14 21:16:13 zash, s'kjera Aug 14 21:16:21 swhatnow? Aug 14 21:16:41 what what? Aug 14 21:16:47 in the butt? Aug 14 21:16:58 -_- Aug 14 21:17:08 oh, is that where you like it? Aug 14 21:18:02 I wish I knew where glamo liked it ;p Aug 14 21:18:50 glamo likes it slow in the fsb Aug 14 21:18:55 ;p Aug 14 21:24:03 still no gps fix, neither with FSO nor with Om2008.8 Aug 14 21:24:05 :( Aug 14 21:24:20 Aww Aug 14 21:24:24 That's disappointing arcnet Aug 14 21:24:29 same conditions? Aug 14 21:25:17 yes, i even put my fr like fic did in this document: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/attachments/20080507/9a64aa3c/GPSPhonePerformanceComparison050608-0001.pdf Aug 14 21:25:45 :| Aug 14 21:25:53 no fix in 6 minutes, even if using agps Aug 14 21:25:56 freesmartphone.org: 03abraxa 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r842b90b7513c 10/opimd/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Aug 14 21:25:58 freesmartphone.org: Add API overview Aug 14 21:26:00 freesmartphone.org: Add preliminary contact field list Aug 14 21:26:02 freesmartphone.org: Rename PIMB_CAP_* to PIMB_CAN_* Aug 14 21:26:04 freesmartphone.org: Fix default backend handling Aug 14 21:26:06 freesmartphone.org: Add Contacts.Add() Aug 14 21:26:08 freesmartphone.org: Revamp some internal data structures Aug 14 21:26:36 this is what my gps data looks like: http://gpsd.rellim.com/index.php?host=92.227.71.148&port=2947 Aug 14 21:26:38 ohhh more gsoc stuff Aug 14 21:27:05 A.K.A. spam Aug 14 21:27:12 havent heard much from the speech recognition guy recently....wonder how he is doing... Aug 14 21:27:27 arcnet :( Aug 14 21:27:38 sounds bit weird to start speech recognition project from scratch just for openmoko Aug 14 21:28:36 uhh, yeah Aug 14 21:28:45 just get dragon to run on arm :P Aug 14 21:28:49 somehow... Aug 14 21:29:11 What they haven't started from scratch? Aug 14 21:31:17 Arcnet: i reflashed FSO a week ago. cant get any GPS data. worked great from an image from a month ago (both milestone2) Aug 14 21:32:43 Did you get any data (like GPS is turned on but has no fix/sees no satellites - which is my case) or didn't it get any data at all? Aug 14 21:32:54 im not sure if gpsd is supposed to be part of milestone2. its not part of my filesystem Aug 14 21:33:04 no you install it optionally Aug 14 21:33:18 Which is rather strange, when you think about it. Aug 14 21:33:24 DaveLab: from what repo since the opkg stuff is not setup in FSO Aug 14 21:33:33 donomo: gpsd is not used in FSO Aug 14 21:33:37 kd 8ikt gave me his sources Aug 14 21:33:45 donomo: FSO has its own gps daemon Aug 14 21:33:50 edistar: yeah but the gypsy stuff i cant tell if its even running Aug 14 21:34:02 edistar: is it its own process or part of the python super-daemon thingy Aug 14 21:34:08 donomo: it is not running except if you start an app that uses gps data Aug 14 21:34:13 e.g. zhone gps Aug 14 21:34:23 Dave, Infoport jomat__ and anyone interested: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup#Interactive_script Aug 14 21:34:29 woot :P Aug 14 21:34:33 edistar: well the zhone gps used to work fine, now it doesnt. all fields are N/A. tangogps is also toast. Aug 14 21:34:34 pwn Aug 14 21:34:38 cag Aug 14 21:34:45 ati Aug 14 21:34:49 donomo: try to restart frameworkd and then restart xserver Aug 14 21:35:09 donomo: it's part of the frameworkd process Aug 14 21:35:14 edistar: i mean it was working on a flash from a month ago. the last flash a week ago has never had working gps. its had many many reboots Aug 14 21:35:19 you can use dbus-monitor to see the events Aug 14 21:35:42 donomo: where did you get the fso flash from a week ago - is that milestone 2 or something else? Aug 14 21:35:43 dbus is just rad. Aug 14 21:36:06 rwhitby: milestone2 in both cases which is why im amazed its not working. from before the gps stuff worked great out of the box, including tangogps Aug 14 21:36:57 inbetween the two FSO flashings was a brief flirt with Om2008.8 Aug 14 21:37:04 donomo: you could try a more recent fso image from http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/ Aug 14 21:37:14 the pen alignment seems to be off ever since i went back to FSO. wish i would have never tried. Aug 14 21:37:24 rwhitby: ok thx Aug 14 21:37:40 omfg 20080813 is *so* slow Aug 14 21:38:06 overall i love the FSO approach which is why im sticking with it. python for rapid development. enlightenment libs. gypsy. all cool. Aug 14 21:38:08 cga: you realise that any image from buildhost is not the same as asu, right? Aug 14 21:38:16 cga: install the xglamo library for acceleration Aug 14 21:38:43 opkg install xserver-kdrive-glamo Aug 14 21:38:43 rwhitby, true, sorry =) Aug 14 21:38:46 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r00d48eb62fa5 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): odevapi: add/document org.freesmartphone.Device.Display Aug 14 21:38:50 Pyrasi, thanks Aug 14 21:39:47 rooly did u make a tango pkg? Aug 14 21:40:45 cga :D Aug 14 21:40:54 anyone know how to get the "spanner" in 2008.08.13 from buildhost? Aug 14 21:41:00 ooh, rwhitby is up Aug 14 21:41:20 Hello :) Aug 14 21:41:40 rwhitby if I take pictures of my freerunner mount would you like to see them? Aug 14 21:41:59 I'll look at any pictures for money ... Aug 14 21:42:08 DaveLab: id like to see them Aug 14 21:42:09 haha Aug 14 21:42:12 donomo, okay :) Aug 14 21:42:13 for you, I'll look at some for free. Aug 14 21:42:15 * donomo want a bicycle mount Aug 14 21:42:19 * Arcnet 2 ;-) Aug 14 21:42:19 ooh, a bargain! Aug 14 21:42:35 the lanyard loop on the neo still looks funny to me Aug 14 21:43:16 I wish I got one Aug 14 21:43:32 none of mine came with Aug 14 21:47:17 Dave, ? Aug 14 21:47:19 * rooly|away loves how big the neo's gsm antenne is Aug 14 21:47:22 anyone know how to get the "spanner" in 2008.08.13 from buildhost? or thee graphical installer? Aug 14 21:48:03 DaveLab, yours came with a HOLE at the bottom right? I think that is the "lanyard loop" donomo means Aug 14 21:48:14 davelab isn't here silly Aug 14 21:49:00 now i'll try latest fso, hope gps works :-) Aug 14 21:49:00 Zorkman, the installer is already there Aug 14 21:49:01 rooly really? only 5min from last post Aug 14 21:49:20 Pyrasi: not in the daily buildhost image Aug 14 21:49:34 just goto /usr/share/applications/ and edit the assassin.desktop file to be in the "Office" Category instead of whatever it is Aug 14 21:49:35 oooohhh, now Dave (not in lab?) Aug 14 21:49:37 also the spanner/wrench isn't there Aug 14 21:49:40 ah, thanks Aug 14 21:49:53 the wrench i still havent been able to figure out how to get back Aug 14 21:49:53 what we need is a left-handed spanner Aug 14 21:50:05 for us southpaws Aug 14 21:50:17 does anyone knows how can I install a web-browser in fso? please Aug 14 21:50:51 ftnt: opkg install links Aug 14 21:50:57 Zorkman: also, i noticed that gtk apps like tango gps dont seem to refresh correctly or something.....regardless tango gps doesnt work right for me Aug 14 21:51:40 same here Aug 14 21:52:10 rooly HA! Gotcha! I'm a little slow on the uptake Aug 14 21:52:15 edistar it doen't exist, I think my repositories lists are empty, which one should I use? please Aug 14 21:52:27 DaveLab isn't here man Aug 14 21:52:59 ftnt: e.g. scaredycats.. or rabenfrosts... Aug 14 21:53:15 ok, thanks! Aug 14 21:53:34 hi everybody Aug 14 21:53:36 :) Aug 14 21:54:20 hi Aug 14 21:57:01 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r33d962f72e65 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): odevapi: add/document org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier and org.freesmartphone.Device.Input Aug 14 21:58:47 is there a save way to prevent the makefile from build the toolchain ? Aug 14 21:59:15 how do i close an application in 20080813?? power button doesn't work Aug 14 21:59:35 cga: dropdown menu, and hit remove Aug 14 22:00:06 thanks Aug 14 22:02:57 Still no GPS with 12. Aug FSO Image on SD... I'll give up, seems like the internal gps antenna connector is damaged :-( Aug 14 22:05:02 damn 24h disconnect... Aug 14 22:05:11 i get no route to host when i ssh in neo. how do i solve that? Aug 14 22:05:26 do you use wlan or usb? Aug 14 22:05:29 usb Aug 14 22:05:40 with 20080813 if helps Aug 14 22:05:45 what does route -n say? Aug 14 22:05:50 with 2007.2 used to work Aug 14 22:05:54 1 sec Aug 14 22:06:17 root@braith:/home/cga# route -n Aug 14 22:06:17 Kernel IP routing table Aug 14 22:06:17 Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface Aug 14 22:06:17 192.168.0.200 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.248 U 0 0 0 usb0 Aug 14 22:06:17 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 wlan0 Aug 14 22:06:18 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0 Aug 14 22:06:46 i remember something about needing to boot with the usb plugged in Aug 14 22:06:53 ok i try Aug 14 22:06:56 the routes are ok Aug 14 22:07:07 boot the neo right? Aug 14 22:07:10 yeah Aug 14 22:07:23 k Aug 14 22:07:31 oohhh I remember something about boot WITHOUT usb plugged in. whose rememebery is wrong? Aug 14 22:07:44 yes Aug 14 22:07:50 boot without the usb plugged in Aug 14 22:07:52 probably mine Aug 14 22:08:17 ok trying Aug 14 22:08:20 I have a talent for tiny details which usually dont matter Aug 14 22:08:44 except when they matter (learn from my mistakes) Aug 14 22:08:52 wow... Aug 14 22:09:16 okay, so popcicle sticks are delicious as plain old juice, and ritz-chips don't get stale Aug 14 22:09:18 rooly you had it half right! Aug 14 22:09:22 * Wonka is still waiting for pand to reappear... Aug 14 22:09:35 * rooly|away is still waiting for bluetoothing Aug 14 22:10:01 does the "answer call" button on headsets work in the qtopia image? Aug 14 22:10:22 is there a bug on the clock in 20080813 ??? i set the timezone and clock but is always 2h earlier Aug 14 22:11:21 just gotta keep fiddling with it Aug 14 22:11:31 cga: try to set the time with date in the terminal Aug 14 22:11:31 set the timezone first Aug 14 22:11:36 then set the time Aug 14 22:11:42 I know that 2008.8 clock had its own timezone file Aug 14 22:12:12 different location than OM2007 (keep you on your toes) Aug 14 22:12:31 yeah, pulled out internal gps connector without opening the FR... watchmaker's screwdriver ftw :-D Aug 14 22:12:44 peter__b, now that i can ssh yes =) Aug 14 22:16:14 * rooly|away needs a bigger sd card Aug 14 22:16:19 what's the max capacity on the FR? Aug 14 22:16:23 8, isn't it? Aug 14 22:16:26 hey guys, after some thought and listening to your responses, freerunnerhq.com is changing over to a news w/ articles and message board based around openmoko Aug 14 22:16:39 i got the forum up and running today, the news section should be up tomorrow Aug 14 22:17:15 but it'd be cool to start getting the community together...if you wanna join, accounts are free and the discussion is solely based around openmoko and related hardware Aug 14 22:17:18 rooly|away: afaik yes, but 8gb is the largest one avaible (at least 2 weeks ago, in germany) Aug 14 22:17:20 www.freerunnerhq.com Aug 14 22:17:21 :) Aug 14 22:17:49 the sdhc standard supports up to 32 gigs... Aug 14 22:18:25 yes it does, but 32 gigs are quite useless while there are only 8 gig available ;) Aug 14 22:18:33 how can i change the bootsplash image ? Aug 14 22:18:33 the news section is almost finished...basing it on joomla, which will hook into the boards based on smc Aug 14 22:18:37 smb* Aug 14 22:18:37 right, just wondering what the max was Aug 14 22:18:41 cant see those boots anymore ... Aug 14 22:18:47 I think I read *somewhere* (wiki?) that it should support 32 gig Aug 14 22:20:28 seems they've only tested up to 8 gigs Aug 14 22:21:09 thanks for signing up already :) Aug 14 22:21:21 i hope to get a lot of what is discussed in these chat sessions straight into the site Aug 14 22:21:37 a way to document things that don't belong in the wiki, but can be used for help with the phones Aug 14 22:22:43 tkep: registering done Aug 14 22:22:46 rooly arcnet, there is an issue with some high capacity SD cards, but everything which is 2G or less should work, with special instructions for those over Aug 14 22:22:55 ckix, welcome! Aug 14 22:23:18 i hope to basically have a mini linuxquestions.org based around openmoko Aug 14 22:24:24 tkep: dont be afraid to add to the wiki-- if people ask often enough (even if "stupid" question) it can be in wiki, if only in a FAQ section) Aug 14 22:25:08 * rooly|away needs a 4 or 8 gig sd card Aug 14 22:25:22 wat if im not at least 8 years old Aug 14 22:25:32 what does the red light indicate in om2008? Aug 14 22:25:53 linuxxr then you should tour and tell people "even a 7 year old can do it!" Aug 14 22:26:00 it looks great an will work for organization very well Aug 14 22:26:36 but a 7year old can not register on tkep's site :) Aug 14 22:26:41 olugged in an charge light on mine Aug 14 22:26:46 ah damn, that what was you were talking about :) Aug 14 22:26:48 rooly: Take a look at the wiki: Aug 14 22:26:48 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards Aug 14 22:27:07 tkep interesting site...I will certainly use it if it draws some helpful answers. Still, you should add to the wiki if you have answers to questions Aug 14 22:27:16 john which operating sys u got? Aug 14 22:27:20 sandisk 8 gb seems to work Aug 14 22:27:24 Infoport, i'm already editing Aug 14 22:27:26 :) Aug 14 22:27:37 already looked Arcnet Aug 14 22:27:41 :thumbup: Aug 14 22:27:48 maybe stuff wont dissapear there Aug 14 22:27:50 Infoport: where you the one that was buying the stylus and gps antenna for your freerunner? Aug 14 22:27:50 Infoport, I plan on making this a place that basically is a staging point for the wiki Aug 14 22:28:15 someone offers good advice, it works, then it goes into the wiki Aug 14 22:28:20 s/where/were/ Aug 14 22:28:20 SUNWjoejaxx meant: Infoport: were you the one that was buying the stylus and gps antenna for your freerunner? Aug 14 22:28:27 When are the 404s for ASU opkg going to be fixed? Aug 14 22:28:44 Sargun: see zecke's email for temporary feeds Aug 14 22:29:08 link in Archive? Aug 14 22:29:21 at the end of the asu wiki page Aug 14 22:29:26 Sargun probably never Aug 14 22:30:05 tkep: cool! as you as you add back to the community, your site can only be helpful!! Aug 14 22:30:09 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rd2f6d0fbd3da 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu.bb: [tasks-openmoko-asu] Split out connman and gtk+ to save for gta01 Aug 14 22:30:11 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rd2ff2d4cd486 10/packages/tasks/ (4 files): [tasks] Set PACKAGE_ARCH so it has an effect Aug 14 22:30:17 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rb92136b4e8af 10/packages/tasks/ (3 files): [tasks] Remove ALLOW_EMPTY=1 as task.bbclass is already setting that Aug 14 22:30:40 Infoport, yeah, i decided that the wiki at openmoko.org was actually getting good since om2008 Aug 14 22:30:55 SUNWjoejaxx: yes I bought a gps from dealextreme, and they had a stylus that looked like ours (although I didnt buy it too) Aug 14 22:31:00 so i decided to back off of the original idea and am going to base this solely around community ideas Aug 14 22:31:01 :) Aug 14 22:31:09 Infoport: ah ok Aug 14 22:31:52 SUNWjoejaxx: here is the gps for $8.31 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8859 and here is the stylus http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.849 Aug 14 22:32:22 Infoport: thank you for those links again Aug 14 22:32:31 alright fellas, i'm off to dinner Aug 14 22:32:34 i'll be back shortly. Aug 14 22:32:38 SUNWjoejaxx: np! Aug 14 22:32:59 bye Aug 14 22:33:34 mmmmmm 20080813 is nice but it doesn't activate gsm by default and i can't find any option to do it in the gui Aug 14 22:33:52 at least 2007.2 has a gsm panel icon Aug 14 22:34:06 i like the fact that the keyboard is allright default Aug 14 22:34:16 Zorkman: which keyboard? Aug 14 22:34:21 ok, off to eat and take my VW to club meet (beautiful 67 Karmann Ghia!) Aug 14 22:34:22 beside, asu doesn't ask for pin gh Aug 14 22:34:48 it has them both: the qtopia keyboard and the full querty, you can easely toglle between them Aug 14 22:36:13 Zorkman: which image? Aug 14 22:36:47 2008.08.13 Aug 14 22:36:55 okey, thanks Aug 14 22:36:58 dayly build from buildhost openmoko-qtopia thingy Aug 14 22:37:01 ASU/qtopia-x11? Aug 14 22:37:04 jup Aug 14 22:37:48 thanks Aug 14 22:38:36 nite all Aug 14 22:41:40 don't let the bad bugs bite Aug 14 22:42:41 so Aug 14 22:42:43 this is neat Aug 14 22:42:50 i just found that pidgin has a facebook plugin Aug 14 22:51:12 only 30 minutes before I have to go to bed because my battery is empty *can't stop... must... have... gps* Aug 14 22:53:00 hihi Aug 14 22:53:14 this phone interferes with my real life too :-) Aug 14 22:57:40 I just unplugged the antenna connector again and looked at it and having only my eyes as a tool it seems to be fine... Aug 14 22:57:47 Are there any known antenna issues? Aug 14 22:58:37 (the soldering on the backside of the antenna one can see without opening the moko completly doesn't look to nice :-/) Aug 14 22:59:26 well, there's the sd bus interference Aug 14 23:02:29 has anyone started using the dev repos for 2008.8? Aug 14 23:03:27 Arcnet: with a recent kernel (ASU or FSO (not sure on 2007.2 images at the moment)) GPS will get a fix given good conditions (ie able to see a good chunk of sky etc) Aug 14 23:04:43 I've got a recent kernel and no SD card inserted ;) Aug 14 23:05:51 Arcnet: stupid questions and all that but you have got gpsd installed etc/ Aug 14 23:06:59 yes, it is set up Aug 14 23:07:04 agps is set up as well ;) Aug 14 23:07:05 http://gpsd.rellim.com/index.php?host=92.226.136.96&port=2947 Aug 14 23:08:13 I think I'll write something on the support mailing list Aug 14 23:08:27 probably a good idea Aug 14 23:09:23 anyone using the dev repos for ASU? Aug 14 23:09:51 Pyrasi: erm you don't mean the daily builds one do you? Aug 14 23:10:13 no Aug 14 23:10:27 the repos that were mentioned on the mailing list Aug 14 23:10:32 * Tig| is relieved :) Aug 14 23:11:39 ? Aug 14 23:14:22 Pyrasi: sorry in answer to your questions: I am relieved that you are not trying to update off the buildhost for ASU updates as that *will not work*(tm), secondly I am not using the dev repos posted on the mailing list either so I can't help. Sorry :( Aug 14 23:16:52 k. No problem. I was just wondering if anyone had a recommendation on whether to use the dev or testing feeds Aug 14 23:20:02 who here is using FSO as a daily phone? Aug 14 23:20:32 me Aug 14 23:20:45 trix not daily but secondary as I keep messing with it Aug 14 23:21:05 the lack of SMS notifications (and of being told what time an SMS came in) makes it hard, though Aug 14 23:21:27 cjb: ah are you on milestone 2 ? Aug 14 23:21:50 yes Aug 14 23:22:21 i installed a 12-Aug build of FSO but it won't make or receive calls Aug 14 23:22:33 cjb: so it isn't just me then :) I did not want to put a bug report in if it was me that had broken it :) Aug 14 23:23:01 trix: I seem to recall that the 12/8 build of FSO does not work very well Aug 14 23:23:13 it was posted on one of the lists Aug 14 23:23:29 ahh, thanks tig. did you find a way to import your contacts in FSO? Aug 14 23:24:08 you all see the temporary testing repos? Aug 14 23:24:08 trix: I gave up trying to put contacts on my freerunner a while ago seeing as I am constently breaking it Aug 14 23:25:43 Tig, i feel the same way.. but i did get my contacts in order in a Vcard file before i began..the trouble is, i've only been able to do vcard imports on OM 2007 & 2008. too many to enter by hand without having some way to backup/restore on the other distros Aug 14 23:28:40 i'm starting to feel like if i spend much more time trying to make openmoko work for me, before i know it i'll have an al qaeda beard and be holding a cardboard sign on the street that says "homeless, jobless, phoneless distro testing veteran please help" Aug 14 23:28:49 * trix smirks Aug 14 23:29:24 * rooly|away almost feels the same way Aug 14 23:29:25 trix: :) :) :) I know that feeling :) Aug 14 23:30:41 * trix calls up sean moss-pultz on the bananaphone Aug 14 23:30:47 cheers guys Aug 14 23:30:56 I have been trying to bodge something that works based on the fso and basic functionality but I think I am going to have to bite the bullet and set up a buildhost :( Aug 14 23:31:21 yeah..all roads seem to lead there don't they Aug 14 23:31:30 yeah :( Aug 14 23:32:46 have server, lack place to put it atm :) Aug 14 23:33:54 i was trying to do that on my fedora core 3 box last night and failed miserably. i look forward to running a more recent distro on my dev box but, and i say this now, i'm not going to flatten everything i have on there simply to grind more teeth :) Aug 14 23:34:47 trix: nuking everything gets a touch wearing Aug 14 23:36:26 yeah :x Aug 14 23:38:13 * trix goes off to watercolor bunnies and butterflies in a brilliant green valley of fulfilled dreams while enjoying the silence of calls being sent straight to voicemail Aug 14 23:56:27 yeah Aug 14 23:56:33 i'm fed up with 08.08 Aug 14 23:58:59 why? Aug 14 23:59:05 well Aug 14 23:59:06 it's slow Aug 14 23:59:09 battery life sucks Aug 14 23:59:14 the launcher is annoying Aug 14 23:59:20 it doesn't come with a terminal by default Aug 14 23:59:46 rooly|away: terminal is available from the installer Aug 14 23:59:46 and it often bugs out Aug 14 23:59:54 you can easily install the terminal....and the battery life seems alright to me (as long as you use suspend obviously) Aug 15 00:00:07 then start developing rooly|away :) Aug 15 00:00:07 yeah, except to get the instaler working you have to get ssh working which doesn't work by default Aug 15 00:00:19 * rooly|away was happier with 2007.2 Aug 15 00:00:21 rooly|away: eh? ssh worked here fine Aug 15 00:00:35 works by default for me too Aug 15 00:01:04 meh, i guess all those other people who've had problems ssh-ing into their phones at first powerup were telling fibs then, eh? Aug 15 00:01:15 including myself Aug 15 00:01:34 oh...do you mean the buildhost version? Aug 15 00:01:42 no Aug 15 00:01:49 i mean the released version Aug 15 00:02:01 rooly|away: no idea, all I know is that I managed it, I can't remember if I sshed in on the first boot though Aug 15 00:02:11 hmm...i just flashed 08.08.08 to my phone about 30 mins ago and it worked on first boot for me Aug 15 00:02:25 the 080813 build did not though Aug 15 00:02:33 i had to reboot to get it working on that one Aug 15 00:02:43 (or 080811 or whatever) Aug 15 00:02:56 at not time during asu development have i ever had problems sshing into my fr via usbnet Aug 15 00:03:00 oh, then, i miss my clock, there's the problems with gtk rendering, and a few other things that i can't think of right now Aug 15 00:03:00 never once Aug 15 00:03:09 so this really seems strange to me Aug 15 00:03:29 rooly...you are using the buildhost image Aug 15 00:03:32 i think Aug 15 00:03:34 no, i'm not Aug 15 00:03:38 i'm using the release iamge Aug 15 00:03:38 cause i had all those symptoms with that one Aug 15 00:03:39 *image Aug 15 00:03:42 oh Aug 15 00:03:51 i don't have the ssh problem right now Aug 15 00:03:54 cause i fixed it Aug 15 00:03:58 a week ago Aug 15 00:04:01 what did you have to do? Aug 15 00:04:19 couldn't tell ya Aug 15 00:04:22 it just started working Aug 15 00:04:32 huh. strange Aug 15 00:04:57 aroo Aug 15 00:05:10 hey cjb :) Aug 15 00:05:34 rooly|away: do u use a subhub to connect your FR? Aug 15 00:05:34 my freerunner arrives tomorrow ... :-) Aug 15 00:05:36 err Aug 15 00:05:38 usb hub Aug 15 00:05:52 no Aug 15 00:06:02 anythgin that acts as a hub? Aug 15 00:06:06 eg monitor etc. Aug 15 00:06:07 congrats lloyd =) Aug 15 00:06:12 no Aug 15 00:06:13 or plug direct into usb ports on pc Aug 15 00:06:20 direct into the mobo Aug 15 00:06:20 hmm Aug 15 00:06:23 ok Aug 15 00:06:31 well there goes that idea Aug 15 00:06:32 ty pyrasi .. been a looong wait Aug 15 00:06:33 dunno Aug 15 00:06:37 never seen thsi problem you have Aug 15 00:06:39 ever once Aug 15 00:06:43 when you said you were having gtk probems what did you mean? Aug 15 00:06:49 and i am glued to my FR iva usbnet and ssh Aug 15 00:06:53 err via Aug 15 00:06:59 heh Aug 15 00:07:05 well, when i use a gtk app, and pull up the keyboard, it often stops drawing the window Aug 15 00:07:07 not like i actually use the FR as a phone... Aug 15 00:07:22 hey raster, are you using the dev repos for 2008.8 by some chance? Aug 15 00:07:22 drawing which window? Aug 15 00:07:28 sometimes when switching "tabs" on the gtk apps, it won't redraw and i have to refresh via going to the home-screen and then going back Aug 15 00:07:30 the gtk window Aug 15 00:07:41 Pyrasi: i build myself from the asu.dev branch of the asu git tree Aug 15 00:07:52 fair enough Aug 15 00:08:00 rooly|away: hmm gtk i have seen many a time have redraw issues Aug 15 00:08:08 rooly....that all happened to me on that weird buildhost image Aug 15 00:08:13 especially if the window is smaller than gtk wants Aug 15 00:08:55 tangogps was completely unusable on that one because of the refresh issues Aug 15 00:09:07 yup yup Aug 15 00:09:31 do you see a flower in the background on boot? Aug 15 00:09:34 yes Aug 15 00:09:39 you have the wrong image Aug 15 00:09:44 you have the buildhost one Aug 15 00:09:50 ic Aug 15 00:10:25 use this instead: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/ Aug 15 00:10:39 i still need to flash my device Aug 15 00:10:56 Rasterman! Aug 15 00:12:05 crap i forget how to run a script on startup can someone remind me? Aug 15 00:12:23 throw it in /etc/init.d/ with a start() and stop() Aug 15 00:12:51 or rc.local Aug 15 00:13:16 god damn Aug 15 00:13:17 ok Aug 15 00:13:22 i am going to do u a favor Aug 15 00:13:26 lol Aug 15 00:13:28 i'll build you a kernel and rotofs image Aug 15 00:13:31 and upload it Aug 15 00:13:38 who me? Aug 15 00:13:42 then you will have an idea what i mean with "asu.dev" Aug 15 00:13:45 and why i Aug 15 00:13:50 i'm baffled by your problems Aug 15 00:13:50 :) Aug 15 00:13:52 yup Aug 15 00:13:55 meh Aug 15 00:13:56 this isnt asu release Aug 15 00:13:56 i'm good Aug 15 00:14:03 gonna reflash anyway Aug 15 00:14:05 ohhh Aug 15 00:14:08 i know what you're talking about, i know exactly what you are talking about... :-D Aug 15 00:14:09 its further along with extra work from me on e/illume Aug 15 00:14:15 ohhh Aug 15 00:14:19 build me one ;) Aug 15 00:14:21 damn, autoscroll was off, sorry ;) Aug 15 00:14:26 its got some private changes of my own right now that make it a little mroe usable Aug 15 00:14:28 ie keyboard butotn on Aug 15 00:14:34 use illume keyboard by default Aug 15 00:14:44 that was a reply to a message about one hour ago Aug 15 00:14:48 * Arcnet needs some sleep Aug 15 00:14:50 good night Aug 15 00:14:52 nn Aug 15 00:14:54 (not qtopia - though there is a clash between them but it only clashes if u restarte e) Aug 15 00:14:56 etc. Aug 15 00:14:56 night Aug 15 00:15:09 well Aug 15 00:15:13 i'm gonna reflash to the release Aug 15 00:15:14 raster : \o/ the illume keyboard fucking rocks :) Aug 15 00:15:19 does your image work better than the release? Aug 15 00:15:44 Tig|: i added dictionary suport yesterday Aug 15 00:15:48 dictionaries are simple text files Aug 15 00:15:57 just keep them "sort -f" 'd Aug 15 00:16:04 raster: id very much appreciate it if you built that and let us try it out =) Aug 15 00:16:05 u can use any dict u like from amy unix box Aug 15 00:16:22 raster: I hope that does not add the predictive stuff from the ASU? Aug 15 00:16:34 as I found that got in the way all the time Aug 15 00:16:43 Tig|: it has the same predictive stuff Aug 15 00:16:51 but done differently Aug 15 00:16:56 you are not forced into it Aug 15 00:17:02 u can select dictionary on the fly Aug 15 00:17:16 raster : the keyboard in the FSO image is damn near perfect Aug 15 00:17:23 if u use the "Terminal" keyboard prediction (really not prediction - it's correction) is effectively disabled Aug 15 00:17:41 FSO uses illume's own keyboard Aug 15 00:18:22 raster: what would help the predictive method would be if the word in the middle (ie the default selected) was the word you had just typed then the corrections could be at either side Aug 15 00:18:57 has anyone else had a problem with wiki.openmoko.org not mailing out email confirmations Aug 15 00:19:26 Tig|: they are Aug 15 00:19:34 i have tried repeatedly over a period of a couple weeks, and it says it mailed the confirmation, but it never arried Aug 15 00:19:39 Tig|: ok. here is how it works. what you see is the word your typoed Aug 15 00:19:41 and nothing else Aug 15 00:19:45 and no spam-blocking *should* be in the way Aug 15 00:19:48 because u havent seen the dictionary working Aug 15 00:19:52 it has no correction list Aug 15 00:19:57 ah Aug 15 00:20:01 so it just displays what u typed. Aug 15 00:20:05 with the dict enabled Aug 15 00:20:15 the "most likely" correction is in the middle Aug 15 00:20:22 with less likely listed to the left/right Aug 15 00:20:28 this may go off the screen Aug 15 00:20:37 the left-side there is a "dictionary" icon Aug 15 00:20:43 tap that for a FULL list of corrections Aug 15 00:20:50 the top item is EXACTLY what u typed Aug 15 00:21:07 and then listed below are corrections in order of most to least likely Aug 15 00:21:09 u can select Aug 15 00:21:15 raster: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Aug 15 00:21:16 the code wil llearn from your usage Aug 15 00:21:30 if you use words more they become more likeyl to be a "most likely correction" Aug 15 00:21:37 if the word is not in the dict Aug 15 00:21:39 raster: absolutely superb work then :) Aug 15 00:21:42 it is added to your personal dict too Aug 15 00:21:49 so new words it doesnt know get learnt Aug 15 00:21:59 and also get more likely to be corrections Aug 15 00:22:06 all dictionary files are plain text Aug 15 00:22:07 yes please. Aug 15 00:22:14 so u can just browse them to see whats in them Aug 15 00:22:20 you can generate your own dictionaries Aug 15 00:22:35 tyhe default English (US) Aug 15 00:22:51 is the linux: /usr/share/dict/words | sort -f Aug 15 00:22:54 thats all Aug 15 00:22:54 raster: oh well that can be corrected :) Aug 15 00:23:08 if u generate a file with that data Aug 15 00:23:11 it can be a dictionary file Aug 15 00:23:22 there is anotehr English (US) SMall Aug 15 00:23:26 it is only 5000 words Aug 15 00:23:29 BUT Aug 15 00:23:34 it ALSO contains language frequency data Aug 15 00:23:38 ie Aug 15 00:23:45 a 4382 Aug 15 00:23:50 about 28 Aug 15 00:23:51 .. Aug 15 00:23:52 etc. Aug 15 00:23:57 its the same format slightly extended Aug 15 00:24:04 after each word on the line a space + number Aug 15 00:24:09 gives the frequency of usage Aug 15 00:24:11 the first time I used the illume keyboard on the FSO I went, " now that is how you do the keyboard" :) Aug 15 00:24:21 if u love perl and love to munge ext files Aug 15 00:24:36 u can happily write some perl - or whatrever you liek to trawl gutenburg text files Aug 15 00:24:37 or the web Aug 15 00:24:39 or anything you like Aug 15 00:24:43 strip out just the text Aug 15 00:24:53 and generate dictionary files for any language with frequency maps Aug 15 00:24:58 i will admit Aug 15 00:24:59 the fso keyboard needs to add in basic punctuation Aug 15 00:25:04 sort -f ..? is it .. can it be .. Aug 15 00:25:07 , . and ' Aug 15 00:25:08 this is something a single developer can never really do right Aug 15 00:25:10 not for all languages Aug 15 00:25:10 no Aug 15 00:25:12 damn Aug 15 00:25:18 so i'm just putting in the mechanism and an example Aug 15 00:25:36 and i am sure the community can generate what they see as good/usable dict files for their respective languages Aug 15 00:25:37 :) Aug 15 00:25:38 and other languages should just use deadkeys :P Aug 15 00:25:43 make an umlaut modifier, etc Aug 15 00:26:12 ieatlint: actually i was expecting other langs to maybe have different .kbd layotu files Aug 15 00:26:27 as such its actually very hard to crap , . / etc. into the current qwerty kbd Aug 15 00:26:29 not much room Aug 15 00:26:29 unless somebody uses "marglarg" as the only noun in their language Aug 15 00:26:39 i would need to make all the keys a bit smaller Aug 15 00:26:41 well, i'm not talking about terminal Aug 15 00:26:45 the dictionary is less important to me, the usability of the keyboard is more key for me and the illume keyboard keeps me happy for the moment (I can fix the other bits I want myself now :) ) Aug 15 00:27:08 one could fit 2 or 3 punctuation chars on the qwerty without resizing it Aug 15 00:27:22 ieatlint: you can fit just 1 Aug 15 00:27:25 a period, a shift, and a sym key Aug 15 00:27:26 bottom-left Aug 15 00:27:28 i've looked Aug 15 00:27:33 on either side of the z and m Aug 15 00:27:39 because the deadspace around the kbd is a fault of the hw design Aug 15 00:27:41 and perhaps on the sides of a and l Aug 15 00:27:43 that u cant hit the very edge Aug 15 00:27:51 because of the inset screen Aug 15 00:27:57 lint! Aug 15 00:28:00 whoa, raster, are you the raster of Enlightenment? Aug 15 00:28:00 well, even just adding a comma.... Aug 15 00:28:08 hey dave Aug 15 00:28:16 Ian00: can add 1 key really Aug 15 00:28:16 Howdy ya'll Aug 15 00:28:17 without resizing Aug 15 00:28:20 What's new, raster? Aug 15 00:28:21 sirkha_top: maybe... Aug 15 00:28:24 Dave: morning! Aug 15 00:28:28 nefarious development! Aug 15 00:28:38 ieatlint: as such - i knwo what u mean wanting punct keys Aug 15 00:28:39 morning.. hah, crazy aussies Aug 15 00:28:46 i just am resisting resizing the kbd to make room for them Aug 15 00:28:53 it can be done Aug 15 00:28:56 i send someone an sms and it's just a fucking run on sentence Aug 15 00:28:56 it is a simple text file Aug 15 00:28:57 :) Aug 15 00:29:12 but then, zhone in general needs to be replaced as intended Aug 15 00:29:36 lollersifs Aug 15 00:29:47 heh, damnit... i'm in a pub, and i thought i ordered food, but i totally forgot to actually do it :P Aug 15 00:29:55 ieatlint: zhone sms works for you? Aug 15 00:29:57 so i'm sitting here waiting for it wondering why it's taking so long Aug 15 00:29:58 haha Aug 15 00:30:08 Tig|: yeah Aug 15 00:30:29 works except that there is no incoming sms notification (because the framework doesn't support it yet) Aug 15 00:30:29 cool, sms here is buggered on fso Aug 15 00:30:43 i had to hack fso for sms though Aug 15 00:31:03 i learnt that it caches the sms entries, and only updates the cache when you send an sms Aug 15 00:31:14 i'd send an sms and suddenly it'd show like 3 new ones arrived Aug 15 00:31:27 You're in a pub and you're chatting on IRC? Aug 15 00:31:37 so i set it to not cache the entries... everytime i load the sms thing, it re-reads them off the sim Aug 15 00:31:49 Stroller: what, did you think i wasn't a geek? :P Aug 15 00:32:15 * Stroller gives ieatlint kudos for that, on the assumption that he's using IRC via GPRS on the Freerunner Aug 15 00:32:22 ieatlint: yeah. zhone is all about implementing the backend infra Aug 15 00:32:26 there is any diference between neo1973 and freeruner? or they are the same? Aug 15 00:32:29 all the phone subsystems and comms Aug 15 00:32:31 Stroller: afraid not Aug 15 00:32:33 so its EASY to write a ui Aug 15 00:32:39 raster: yep Aug 15 00:32:39 so ui's are busy writing ui's Aug 15 00:32:46 and from what i've seen, it will be very easy Aug 15 00:32:47 raster: which kernel should we use with this image you are building? the newest buildhost one? Aug 15 00:32:48 not busy wrestling with gsm at commandse specifics Aug 15 00:32:51 flavioribeiro: they're different .. check the wiki Aug 15 00:32:52 or worryoing about syncing Aug 15 00:32:54 fribeiro: ^ Aug 15 00:32:56 or where your contact list is Aug 15 00:32:57 etc. Aug 15 00:33:07 CVirus, ok Aug 15 00:33:09 Pyrasi: i'm building all of it Aug 15 00:33:14 oh...awesome Aug 15 00:33:25 it's building.... Aug 15 00:33:33 Stroller: i could do that (i've pidgin on my phone with irc, and gprs working properly), but instead i'm on an eeepc and the pub has wifi Aug 15 00:33:55 ieatlint: erm are you in the UK perchance? Aug 15 00:34:10 Dave: http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/dot/dot.tgz Aug 15 00:34:13 i was at a restraunt on irc via wifi on my freerunner the other day.... Aug 15 00:34:16 Dave: have fun with that Aug 15 00:34:24 Tig|: nope, i'm in the bear flag republic Aug 15 00:34:35 ieatlint: well, you should be scoping the chicks instead of talking to us, then. Aug 15 00:34:37 :P Aug 15 00:34:56 the pub is empty... i'm literally the only one in here Aug 15 00:34:56 ieatlint: nice domain =o is that yours? Aug 15 00:35:01 yep :) Aug 15 00:35:08 A restaurant!/!?! That's even WORSE!! Aug 15 00:35:18 best i could get was www.bufferunderflow.com =P Aug 15 00:35:33 yeah, i love my domain Aug 15 00:35:38 i own tehinterweb.us too Aug 15 00:35:42 Oooh, that is a good domain, ieatlint. I <3 that,. too Aug 15 00:35:46 haha Aug 15 00:35:47 which i probably won't renew, heh Aug 15 00:36:00 Hmmmn... I think tehinterweb.us is cooler Aug 15 00:36:07 Can I have it, if you don't wan it? Aug 15 00:36:11 * ieatlint shrugs Aug 15 00:36:12 so that dot program you wrote...i was reading about it earlier...does it use both accels? Aug 15 00:36:22 Stroller: if you're serious, i'll think about it Aug 15 00:36:32 Pyrasi: no Aug 15 00:36:43 you can use command line options to switch between the accelerometers Aug 15 00:36:47 but it can only use one at a im Aug 15 00:36:50 time Aug 15 00:37:14 Yeah, I am. I like it, and I've been meaning to get a domain for a while now (I use a free uk.eu.org at the moment, and it's a handful to type) Aug 15 00:37:16 alrighty Aug 15 00:37:21 upload of the release started Aug 15 00:37:35 cool. hmmm...i wonder if it eats the battery life alot to keep that gesture recognizer daemon running all the time.... Aug 15 00:37:55 i was warning by one person not to make a game based on the dot app because people will get frustrated and throw their phones Aug 15 00:38:04 haha Aug 15 00:38:10 ieatlint: all the cool & funny domains I think of are taken. Was devastated to find that I was unoriginal in thinking Cyderdyne.com would be cool. Aug 15 00:38:17 Pyrasi: give me a min, i'll tell you Aug 15 00:38:24 cool Aug 15 00:38:30 * Stroller goes away to look up the names of Culture GSVs Aug 15 00:39:02 yea....im sad that www.dancedaily.com is taken....because my name is Dan Staley.... Aug 15 00:39:08 Stroller: I know a hosting co that names its servers after culture ships :) Aug 15 00:39:12 taken by a squatter none the less Aug 15 00:39:16 the jerk Aug 15 00:39:24 Pyrasi: lol Aug 15 00:39:34 Pyrasi: uhm, it uses almost no power Aug 15 00:39:35 Yikes! Aug 15 00:39:40 You're serious? Aug 15 00:39:42 15-20mA Aug 15 00:39:47 Change your name to Mike Row Aug 15 00:39:49 maybe Aug 15 00:39:50 Or Roe Aug 15 00:39:58 haha Aug 15 00:39:59 i used to own zedstar.net and now it is owned by some cheesey italian pop star! Aug 15 00:40:12 Stroller: I miss being hosted on gunboat-diplomat :) Aug 15 00:40:16 oh yea? awesome. Aug 15 00:40:17 lolol Aug 15 00:40:19 CVirus.net Aug 15 00:40:21 the phone with no wifi/gps/bt uses 200mA Aug 15 00:40:21 :-p Aug 15 00:40:32 ok Aug 15 00:40:33 well, it jumps from 190-215, staying around 200 Aug 15 00:40:33 built Aug 15 00:40:35 uploading. Aug 15 00:40:44 with the program running, it uses 200-225 Aug 15 00:41:30 btw dont look at that site u will smash your monitor Aug 15 00:41:46 very cool. Aug 15 00:41:59 it just uses an accelerometer and very little cpu Aug 15 00:42:06 my favorite site of all time is still www.zombo.com Aug 15 00:42:16 from like 1997 Aug 15 00:42:17 uses x's renderer, which with Xglamo is in theory hardware Aug 15 00:42:35 Pyrasi: woot you can do anything at zombo.com Aug 15 00:42:51 I really want stroll.er but Ethiopia & Somalia have to settle their disputes, first Aug 15 00:43:04 heh Aug 15 00:43:05 heh Aug 15 00:43:08 go ethiopia Aug 15 00:43:08 Maybe someone'll buy me it for, like, my 90th birthday, or something Aug 15 00:43:15 ieatlint: thats true i guess...i was just worried that the constant polling on the accel would drain it Aug 15 00:43:29 i love countries that can afford guns and not food Aug 15 00:43:30 but very cool it doesnt Aug 15 00:44:01 well, as i understand it, the program only works at like 3Hz or something Aug 15 00:44:02 ieatlint: irrlicht engine's x renderer? Aug 15 00:44:09 (as opposed to software or opengl)? Aug 15 00:44:14 what about it Aug 15 00:44:23 "xrender" Aug 15 00:44:38 is like ecore_something_xrender_x11_new() Aug 15 00:44:56 ieatlint: oooh xrender Aug 15 00:45:07 that is definitely NOT accelrated Aug 15 00:45:11 hah Aug 15 00:45:16 ok, well, it still works :P Aug 15 00:45:19 sure Aug 15 00:45:20 it was like that or software Aug 15 00:45:20 works Aug 15 00:45:30 How long does it take to recieve a FreeRunner from pulster ? Aug 15 00:45:31 software_16_x11 is faster Aug 15 00:45:32 irrlicht has 3 "working" modes for the freerunner Aug 15 00:45:37 but drops some quality Aug 15 00:45:38 hmmm, i'll note that Aug 15 00:45:43 software_x11 is high quality 32bit Aug 15 00:45:58 32bit isn't needed methinks Aug 15 00:46:01 not for my current use Aug 15 00:46:02 that's odd Aug 15 00:46:09 because 16-bit is irrlicht default Aug 15 00:46:24 sure Aug 15 00:46:29 i'll have to look again at the list of supported engines then Aug 15 00:46:33 if u have detailed images and want quality Aug 15 00:46:40 software(_x11) Aug 15 00:46:42 is the best Aug 15 00:47:11 what are we talking about???? Aug 15 00:47:22 efl rendering engines Aug 15 00:47:35 asha! Aug 15 00:48:12 ok Aug 15 00:48:17 ASU images: Aug 15 00:48:19 http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ Aug 15 00:48:24 kernel and rootfs Aug 15 00:48:36 wow... Aug 15 00:48:38 that rootfs is small Aug 15 00:48:42 oh wait Aug 15 00:48:45 its not finished uploading Aug 15 00:48:47 wait Aug 15 00:48:48 :) Aug 15 00:49:06 is it worth it? Aug 15 00:49:07 wait, why are you building asu images now? Aug 15 00:49:33 i've nearly finished uploading the 080808 image Aug 15 00:49:56 hehe :) thanks raster :) I will have to grab them in the morning though now as I need to get to bed :( Aug 15 00:50:18 1:30 left... Aug 15 00:50:22 wussy pommy has to get to bed :P Aug 15 00:51:04 ieatlint: m|m it is 2am here :) Aug 15 00:51:09 ieatlint: i said i'd build them Aug 15 00:51:23 as rooly|away was complaining about ASU problems i've never seen Aug 15 00:51:29 and as such as best i can tell.. he never used asu Aug 15 00:51:30 :) Aug 15 00:51:33 something else Aug 15 00:51:34 not asu Aug 15 00:51:34 :) Aug 15 00:51:43 usa ? Aug 15 00:51:53 :-p Aug 15 00:51:54 http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ Aug 15 00:51:56 ok Aug 15 00:51:57 done Aug 15 00:51:58 all uploaded Aug 15 00:52:01 have fun Aug 15 00:52:02 :) Aug 15 00:52:08 the only image I have seen with flowers in the background was the FSO image Aug 15 00:52:30 69meg looks more like it :) Aug 15 00:52:49 Tig|: if you used gmt, like you should, it's only 1am Aug 15 00:53:05 raster: white screen of death fixed yet ? Aug 15 00:53:07 we are on BST old boy :) Aug 15 00:53:16 CVirus: i've never seen that one myself Aug 15 00:53:18 Hey, raster - quick question: with all the ASU & FSO & stuff, is there any way for a program to check if the wifi is on, or GPRS availability? I configured an N95 for a customer the other weekend, and the mail client had this facility to check for new mail every 5 minutes, and select "only if I'm on my home mobile phone network" (thus avoiding expensive roaming charges) Aug 15 00:53:37 yeah, bst now, gmt in a couple months Aug 15 00:53:38 raster: does this mean that your FreeRunner suspends/resumes properly and wakes up properly on incoming calls ? Aug 15 00:53:39 why wait.. Aug 15 00:54:06 CVirus: i have problems with resume Aug 15 00:54:08 just explain to your boss that some guy on irc told you to Aug 15 00:54:10 but now white screen Aug 15 00:54:13 no Aug 15 00:54:24 and incoming calls? Aug 15 00:54:25 hahah Aug 15 00:54:31 u think i use it as a phone? Aug 15 00:54:32 :) Aug 15 00:54:34 raster: why do you think there are variations of problems with different people ? Aug 15 00:54:46 i've made the mistake of trying to use it as a phone before Aug 15 00:54:50 hehe Aug 15 00:55:03 not the best thing that you can hear from an OM dev :-p Aug 15 00:55:03 i'm using mine as a phone Aug 15 00:55:20 Stroller: on the FSO image I think it uses DBUS to get resources, I know if you load a GPS app it powers up the GPS etc Aug 15 00:55:43 fso is a whole different game Aug 15 00:56:29 Tig|: it was DBUS I had in mind, but I don't have the time to explore it at present. Aug 15 00:56:40 we should just lock mickey in a room, slip pizza and mountain dew threw a feeding hole to him, and we'd have SHR in a week Aug 15 00:56:46 damnit Aug 15 00:57:00 raster: why would i want an image that doesn't work as a phone? Aug 15 00:57:08 ieatlint: don't forget the beer Aug 15 00:57:18 :) Aug 15 00:57:22 can't forget that! Aug 15 00:57:29 better be good beer then Aug 15 00:57:33 some of that german stuff is crap Aug 15 00:57:47 you haven't tasted the Egyptian stuff then .. hehe Aug 15 00:57:51 rooly|away: because it works better than the asu you have with the flower Aug 15 00:58:02 i dont trust it Aug 15 00:58:06 but does it work as a phone? Aug 15 00:58:06 i've use my sim card in it once Aug 15 00:58:07 it doesn't need to be the worst to be crap Aug 15 00:58:10 i got an incoming call Aug 15 00:58:13 and answered Aug 15 00:58:15 and no audio Aug 15 00:58:19 other end could hear me Aug 15 00:58:23 i couldnt hear them Aug 15 00:58:30 and i actually needed that call Aug 15 00:58:34 lol Aug 15 00:58:35 i've recieves sms's before Aug 15 00:58:44 and it wakes up ... it seems Aug 15 00:58:48 your alsa state was set incorrectly Aug 15 00:58:49 but i'm forever reflashing my phone Aug 15 00:58:59 ieatlint: i dont touch my alsa state :) Aug 15 00:59:04 but i know of the alsa issues Aug 15 00:59:18 the current fso images come with a borked alsa state Aug 15 01:01:00 raster: suspend/resume *will* work; we're sooooo close now; it's mainly the user-space stuff left to fix... Aug 15 01:01:26 yay Aug 15 01:01:33 cool Aug 15 01:01:44 mwester: you need one of those accounts where people can buy you a beer Aug 15 01:01:45 It will start working properly *exactly* when the OM kernel devs switch to 2.6.26, and we have to start all over again. Aug 15 01:01:47 mwester-trip: tomorrow ? Aug 15 01:01:54 doh Aug 15 01:02:17 fsck Aug 15 01:02:20 phone doesn't resume Aug 15 01:02:29 * rooly|away installs om2007.2 Aug 15 01:02:32 CVirus: nope, but maybe some downloadable patches for testing purposes in a week, assuming I get some time at home to work on things. Aug 15 01:03:01 mwester-trip: cool Aug 15 01:03:10 hehehe Aug 15 01:03:12 well ok Aug 15 01:03:15 qpe is fucked Aug 15 01:03:20 alsa state is screwed Aug 15 01:03:23 That's part of the problem Aug 15 01:03:26 no audio on speaker Aug 15 01:03:53 It's hardly worth working on suspend/resume when the core stuff (like the 2008.8 image) won't even bring up the PIN prompt, or register. Aug 15 01:04:13 2007.2 is still the most stable wrt suspend/resume. Aug 15 01:04:22 2008.8 registers fine here Aug 15 01:04:32 You're one of the few, AntonTakk Aug 15 01:04:33 mwester-trip: mine seems to partly register Aug 15 01:04:36 2008.u8 sucks Aug 15 01:04:37 ie incomihngcalls work Aug 15 01:04:45 it wont do outgoing asd it has no clue that its connected Aug 15 01:04:55 Exactly the symptoms I have Aug 15 01:05:08 i never trusted qtopia/qpe Aug 15 01:05:24 even tho sean and will and wolfgang werre "this stuff is the best! it just works! we need this!' Aug 15 01:05:31 its not been simple Aug 15 01:05:35 nor does it "just work" Aug 15 01:05:36 Basically, there's an endless stream of garbage -- request, error response, request, error response that consumes all available GSM Aug 15 01:05:36 either Aug 15 01:05:37 :( Aug 15 01:05:39 qtopia seems to not be sensitive enough to fingers Aug 15 01:06:06 mwester-trip: do u know of any race conditions with the pmu and backlight? Aug 15 01:06:12 always have to use a key or stylus Aug 15 01:06:20 mwester-trip: basically i exec apm -s wich should block until resume Aug 15 01:06:22 raster: only the ones I fixed last weekend Aug 15 01:06:29 ie apm shouldnt exit as a child proc until we've resumed Aug 15 01:06:43 and then i immediately turn on backlight and restor brightness to what it was Aug 15 01:06:45 in usersapce Aug 15 01:06:48 the code us hyper-simple Aug 15 01:06:51 :( apm does bad/wierd stuff on 2008.8 Aug 15 01:07:06 hmph Aug 15 01:07:08 ok Aug 15 01:07:09 figured it out Aug 15 01:07:10 i stare at it and go "well.. only 1 thng could be wrong here.. apm resturns before the system has suspended" Aug 15 01:07:18 err Aug 15 01:07:32 and yes Aug 15 01:07:33 It seems to queue up suspend requests, and then when you resume, it doesn't fully resume, but user-space is running Aug 15 01:07:34 apm is weird Aug 15 01:07:37 mostly i think due to qpe Aug 15 01:07:38 alright, so the 2008.8 image doesn't have trouble resuming Aug 15 01:07:42 I removed apm on my image Aug 15 01:07:44 it just doesn't turn the backlight on Aug 15 01:07:49 as it sets up apmbios redirects for suspend requests Aug 15 01:08:00 and often just holds the suspend up from going through forever Aug 15 01:08:20 anyway Aug 15 01:08:20 Yep. we need to replace apm with something simpler. Aug 15 01:08:29 aother than apm not behaving as i think it should Aug 15 01:08:37 the onyl other option was a race condition with pmu/backlight Aug 15 01:08:39 and userspace Aug 15 01:08:47 I'll send an RFC to distro; I have a small shell script that can replace apm -s that does what we need for the neo. Aug 15 01:08:55 so Aug 15 01:08:59 how do i switch on the backlight Aug 15 01:09:01 mwester-trip: oh thats easy Aug 15 01:09:13 the propbkem is qpe needs to know to shut down modem into standby mode before suspend Aug 15 01:09:20 so it uses the apm bios redirect Aug 15 01:09:25 personally i agree Aug 15 01:09:31 we probably should have a dbus mechanism Aug 15 01:09:35 Oh is that how qpe works? that's awful! Aug 15 01:09:39 yup Aug 15 01:09:43 so u cant "just rpelace it" Aug 15 01:09:51 Egads, that explains a lot. Aug 15 01:09:52 i was writing "mem" to /sys/pwoer/state Aug 15 01:09:54 for a while to suspend Aug 15 01:10:04 but zecke was not happy Aug 15 01:10:08 and i know why Aug 15 01:10:10 (now) Aug 15 01:10:11 :) Aug 15 01:10:28 Yeah, but apm is way overkill and heavyweight. Aug 15 01:10:32 ompower implements a bit of a suspend/resume and "please keep the system alive" blocking protocol Aug 15 01:10:40 (dbus) Aug 15 01:10:51 if you are going to suspend after 15 seconds or so, you need for only minimal overhead Aug 15 01:10:53 logic can slide in there Aug 15 01:11:00 right now it does: system("apm -s"); Aug 15 01:11:04 that can change any time Aug 15 01:11:10 so... Aug 15 01:11:18 but i'd need to add some signals of suspend/resume happend Aug 15 01:11:26 and allow clients to have suspend blockers Aug 15 01:11:32 the same way apmbios is being used Aug 15 01:11:33 Correct. Aug 15 01:11:35 * rooly|away was able to use his FR after a resume Aug 15 01:11:38 difficult Aug 15 01:11:39 but possible Aug 15 01:12:22 * mwester-trip makes a note to go look at the qpe source to see how this is currently done. Aug 15 01:12:28 ok Aug 15 01:12:32 wakes up on incoming call Aug 15 01:12:35 ooh Aug 15 01:12:41 now it knows/thinks its got a network Aug 15 01:12:42 finally Aug 15 01:13:13 hehe Aug 15 01:13:31 and it can make outgoing calls Aug 15 01:13:37 just audio mixer crud is wrong Aug 15 01:13:40 cool Aug 15 01:13:41 no audio on speaker Aug 15 01:13:54 which image ? Aug 15 01:15:00 http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ Aug 15 01:15:03 ASU Aug 15 01:15:08 just latest build from dev tree Aug 15 01:15:29 cool Aug 15 01:15:44 with some.. changes of my own Aug 15 01:16:12 raster: will you please try to wakeup on incoming calls a few more times to make sure that the white screen of death doesn't appear ? Aug 15 01:16:33 I really wanna understand why there's a variation of results between different people Aug 15 01:16:40 even when they're using the same images Aug 15 01:16:47 :) Aug 15 01:18:37 ok Aug 15 01:18:44 3rd time doesnt work Aug 15 01:18:46 no wakeup Aug 15 01:18:59 damn Aug 15 01:19:09 No wakeup at all, or white screen? Aug 15 01:19:10 4th time works Aug 15 01:19:16 just no wakeup Aug 15 01:19:19 no call Aug 15 01:19:30 network reports FR as "unavailable" Aug 15 01:20:06 so the GSM fell off the network Aug 15 01:20:22 ok Aug 15 01:20:24 tries 6 timews Aug 15 01:20:27 failed 1/6 for me Aug 15 01:20:32 yup Aug 15 01:20:35 fell off the gsm network somehow Aug 15 01:20:43 just manually wake up and sleep again and it works Aug 15 01:20:48 so probably qpe related Aug 15 01:20:50 or calypso Aug 15 01:21:16 That's really bad; that would imply that the GSM is somehow sensitive to something happening during suspend -- but nothing is supposed to be sent or rcvd during suspend. Aug 15 01:21:43 dunno Aug 15 01:21:53 but woith qpe and calypso... i wouldnt put it past it Aug 15 01:23:13 there is a veritable mountain of stuff "not quite working" Aug 15 01:23:20 qpe or the gsm management software should put the calypso to bed, then should stop talking to it, and let the suspend happen; once the serial driver suspends we suspect that the GSM is flow-controlled, and if it has data it will interrupt and cause a resume -- but no data should be sent, and nothing outside of the GSM being put into a flow-controlled state has changed. .. Aug 15 01:23:22 somethnig broke hald recently Aug 15 01:23:28 wifi is problematic Aug 15 01:23:39 gsm is iffy Aug 15 01:23:46 glamo is a wonderful soruce of all sorts of fun Aug 15 01:23:49 :) Aug 15 01:24:40 Especially now that we dynamically change the SD card's clock and power -- it adds another bit of potentially-non-working bits to some code that was rock-solid earlier. Aug 15 01:24:52 hmm Aug 15 01:24:56 not sure it was rock solid before Aug 15 01:25:05 i have had my sd card be corrupted before Aug 15 01:25:38 are gsm chips all backwards compatible ? (can a 3g phone work on a 2.5/2.75 g network?) Aug 15 01:26:41 AntonTakk: not by definition, but in practice... Aug 15 01:26:55 3g with gsm is umts, a different game Aug 15 01:27:34 hrm Aug 15 01:27:53 there's probably a bad if in there Aug 15 01:28:03 makes me hope tmobile has 3g here by the time an om phone has 3g :) Aug 15 01:28:56 if you mean t-mobile US IIRC they have a significant bit of infrastructure -- but on bands theycan't use yet Aug 15 01:29:08 thanks to existing analog users not cutting their equipment off in time Aug 15 01:29:18 ah Aug 15 01:29:28 and yes, tmobile us Aug 15 01:29:35 damn analogers! Aug 15 01:29:53 unknown_lamer: not exactly right Aug 15 01:30:06 i read somewhere that tmobile was planning to begin rollout of 3g in the us within a couple years Aug 15 01:30:10 tmobile US bought the bands from the usgov Aug 15 01:30:33 and they sold them with the condition of no actual date they need to stop using them by Aug 15 01:30:42 however, the bands are already not in use by the gov Aug 15 01:30:55 ah, my knowledge was a bit out of date... Aug 15 01:30:56 and it's merely an issue of installing the towers and the like... manhattan is already 3g Aug 15 01:31:13 i mean, gprs is good enough for my current usage (mostly e-mail) but faster is usually better :) Aug 15 01:31:15 rumours say all metro markets will be 3g by new year, most in october Aug 15 01:31:19 I just want EDGE :-( Aug 15 01:31:34 and don't count on any OM phone supporting tmo-us 3g Aug 15 01:31:37 latency is suck but ... anything is better than GPRS Aug 15 01:31:40 because tmo-us 3g is a bastard Aug 15 01:31:58 how so? Aug 15 01:32:00 * unknown_lamer demands a gta03 in a year Aug 15 01:32:04 tmo-3g uses a hybrid 1700/2100 band that no one else in the world uses Aug 15 01:32:13 so phones must be made specifically for tmo-us 3g Aug 15 01:32:13 what about at&t? Aug 15 01:32:14 oh, joy Aug 15 01:32:26 at&t isn't the proprietary one for once? Aug 15 01:32:29 amazing Aug 15 01:32:31 att uses different bands, but similarly, they are the only ones in the world using them Aug 15 01:32:38 oh, nvm Aug 15 01:32:43 it's not their intention Aug 15 01:32:44 woo US 3G is even more broken than US GSM Aug 15 01:32:49 the standard bands are already taken Aug 15 01:32:57 probably by tv Aug 15 01:33:09 i've heard of the existence of a software radio Aug 15 01:33:11 hmm isn't analog tv off in january? Aug 15 01:33:12 so like the nokia n95-3 is for att 3g... won't work on tmo-us 3g, or any other 3g Aug 15 01:33:20 feb Aug 15 01:33:22 february Aug 15 01:33:26 mmm finally Aug 15 01:33:46 anyway, 3g is just a nasty mess in the US Aug 15 01:34:07 basically, only nokia makes an unbranded att 3g phone methinks Aug 15 01:34:15 everything else is controlled by att Aug 15 01:34:17 well, maybe we'll have some sort of wi-max like wifi by then :) Aug 15 01:34:23 haha Aug 15 01:34:24 yeah Aug 15 01:34:24 sure Aug 15 01:34:32 as of now, tmo-us hasn't even announced a 3g phone with hspda Aug 15 01:34:36 hey, a guy can dream :) Aug 15 01:34:58 so basically, don't get your hopes up with anything :P Aug 15 01:35:12 I wonder what Verizon is doing ... Aug 15 01:35:19 tmo-us is cheap, friendly and in my experiences decent Aug 15 01:35:26 verizon is doing ev-do Aug 15 01:35:41 which in practice is better than gsm/3g Aug 15 01:35:50 my uncle (does government related stuff) mentioned something about "opening the network" whatever the Hell that means to them Aug 15 01:35:58 however 3g with hspda can in theory achieve higher speeds Aug 15 01:36:30 nah, verizon uses a network completely closed by qualcomm Aug 15 01:36:34 and something involving W-CDMA and maybe ... actual GSM in the future? Aug 15 01:36:37 but maybe not Aug 15 01:36:41 it would be nice Aug 15 01:36:41 so any idea if FR can have multiple desktops? how do you organize your programs? Aug 15 01:37:22 i don't see why not, it's simply a software feature, i believe Aug 15 01:37:35 mobile phone providers need to solve latency issues methinks Aug 15 01:37:40 even 3g data is still like 700ms Aug 15 01:38:01 you folks see europe is opening up BW for strictly car to car transmissions, what's that about? Aug 15 01:38:11 lol, no Aug 15 01:38:30 there are a number of interesting things you could do with that, but they'd be open to hacking Aug 15 01:38:45 eg, you get a flat and your car sends out a signal to warn other cars Aug 15 01:38:47 perhaps something like a traffic routing mesh network? Aug 15 01:39:06 I dont know what it's about but it's always a good time to make quickkey for the words douchebag and asshole Aug 15 01:39:18 hah Aug 15 01:39:25 just attach a megaphone to your car Aug 15 01:39:39 "hey, you, you're a fucking asshole, learn how to use turn signals" Aug 15 01:41:24 i can only imagine how fast you'd get shot around here if you did that... Aug 15 01:41:50 I like yelling at car drivers Aug 15 01:41:58 it is best in the early fall and midspring because they can hear me Aug 15 01:42:17 you ever want to just follow those guys home, and with a bat smash out all their turn signals, and then leave a note "There now you have an excuse for not using them, YOu're WELCOME, asshole." Aug 15 01:42:18 one time I was spat at but the driver did not understand wind and he spat in his own face Aug 15 01:43:06 nearly getting hit by a giant truck filled me with so much adrenaline I actually caught up with the driver at a light and challenged him to a fight Aug 15 01:43:16 some people get off on that unknown_lamer, it could've been some form of auto-eroticism Aug 15 01:43:20 ... Aug 15 01:43:32 where is a gtk image Aug 15 01:43:47 cause this thing still can't seem to resume Aug 15 01:43:53 I was kind of bummed when he just ran the red light in terror :-( I figure a man in a V12 pickup truck would be a bit ... manlier Aug 15 01:44:30 yeah, it's not worth fucking with drivers Aug 15 01:44:44 just drives your blood pressure up and increases the chances of you getting pointlessly killed Aug 15 01:45:38 aww but I have a ulock, steel toed boots, and a terrifying beard :-( Aug 15 01:45:54 is the beard bullet proof? Aug 15 01:46:03 or bumper proof? Aug 15 01:46:17 back Aug 15 01:46:18 it's ok I've found that most people aren't willing to go as far as killing someone Aug 15 01:46:22 ... intentionally Aug 15 01:46:29 heh, it only takes one Aug 15 01:47:00 death is not to be feared :-) especially when you come close to getting run over and are consumed by animalistic instinct for a few seconds Aug 15 01:47:17 and if he's willing to kill he's willing to kill for a lot less Aug 15 01:47:22 fearing death is one thing, tempting it is another Aug 15 01:47:49 the logic in reacting to near-death by prolonging it is not exactly screaming of intelligence Aug 15 01:48:02 trust we just had a guy up here cut another guys head off because the guy told him to stop staring at a girl Aug 15 01:48:18 oh dear Aug 15 01:48:20 is that why that guy on the bus did that? Aug 15 01:49:09 that and he's comletely bat shit crazy Aug 15 01:49:20 no kidding... Aug 15 01:49:29 i always thought it took a sane person to decapitate others :P Aug 15 01:49:38 cut the guys head off on the bus? Aug 15 01:49:40 except for jeffrey dalmer... the rare exception Aug 15 01:49:58 at his preliminary trial he said nothing except "Please Kill Me" Aug 15 01:50:06 yeah Aug 15 01:50:15 so he was staring at a girl, and the victim told him to stop it? Aug 15 01:50:44 okyup Aug 15 01:50:46 yup Aug 15 01:50:50 i'd have stabbed him, decapitated him, and then ate parts of his flesh too... perfectly reasonable response Aug 15 01:51:29 although i feel really sorry for the girl that was being stared at, heh... that'd be a bad feeling of guilt, even though she would hold no actual responsibility Aug 15 01:51:52 ya they found the guys ear and lips in the guys pocket when they took him in Aug 15 01:52:15 which ear, right or left? Aug 15 01:52:20 because the left one is lucky.. Aug 15 01:52:21 I assume in case he gets peckish later in the evening? Aug 15 01:52:46 this must be the slow hour for #openmoko, hey? Aug 15 01:52:55 lol Aug 15 01:53:00 no, this is entirely relevant to the phone Aug 15 01:53:47 maybe the guy was watching silence of the lambs and got hungry Aug 15 01:53:57 yes, the gta04 needs a revenge mechanism, the owner dies, and the phone goes off like a grenade Aug 15 01:54:12 my guess is he just spend 48 trying to get wifi working on his FR and finally snapped when the guy said well if it had windows mobile you'd be fine Aug 15 01:54:36 someone could create a gta02 stolen app... if the sim is changed, it starts sending sms with the lat/lon of the phone to the owner Aug 15 01:55:01 that would be nice Aug 15 01:55:23 oh I have a great app, Aug 15 01:56:15 virtual zoo/museum/park tours you download a xml and mp3's which play a preset gps coords Aug 15 01:56:36 take virtual tours, Aug 15 01:56:42 zoos could implement it cheaper Aug 15 01:57:01 alcatraz does that here, but it uses something like rfid Aug 15 01:57:11 can get the tour in almost any language Aug 15 01:57:15 and it's non-linear Aug 15 01:58:42 but how far can rfid work? Aug 15 01:59:00 depending on the setup... 10m Aug 15 01:59:12 you could also use bt or even wifi Aug 15 01:59:22 ok 10 m is impressive but gps is also non linear Aug 15 01:59:43 and doesn't work indoors, and can lose signal :P Aug 15 02:00:06 it's triggered by the gps and could give you directions to where you want to go, yes would have to be outdoor only Aug 15 02:00:32 woz had a racking system that failed Aug 15 02:01:02 mobile gps tracking, you'd give your kids gps devices and then be able to monitor where they are in a park (eg, an amusement park) Aug 15 02:01:48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rnQIzJA9Xw&eurl=http://www.nodeexplore.com/news.php?newsid=191 Aug 15 02:01:58 as cool as the om is, there are simply better devices for what you're suggesting Aug 15 02:02:19 you could accomplish it with a hardware mp3 decoder, arduino and a gps module Aug 15 02:02:26 you know any of the links to the rfid devices? Aug 15 02:02:44 not sure what you mean... Aug 15 02:02:51 i have an rfid reader here with me Aug 15 02:03:26 long range rfid examples would be payment systems for vehicles which rfid transponders Aug 15 02:03:59 well I'm looking for some system that would allow a virtual tour using rental unit to read rfids around a park setting the 5-10m triggers video or mp3 event Aug 15 02:04:11 hm what filetypes does the media player in 2007.2 latest version plays? :) Aug 15 02:04:38 I assume ogg at minimum Aug 15 02:04:45 well, interestingly, you could create a system that used wifi instead of rfid... and the device would play the audio over the wifi instead of storing it locally Aug 15 02:05:00 crappier battery life, however Aug 15 02:05:22 would need at least wifi n Aug 15 02:05:25 but the infrastructure could be more versatile... could use the wifi aps for various other things as well Aug 15 02:05:29 AntonTakk: no Aug 15 02:05:33 i tried pulse with g, sucked Aug 15 02:05:49 11Mbps 802.11b and a 128kbit audio file .. how many clients would that support? :P Aug 15 02:05:50 but ieatlint why? with 2g sticks at $13? Aug 15 02:06:03 2g? Aug 15 02:06:10 Railer! Aug 15 02:06:11 2 gigi Aug 15 02:06:12 oh, 2gb Aug 15 02:06:21 Dave how doin Aug 15 02:06:30 Pretty good Aug 15 02:06:31 because you then need to program the devices per-language Aug 15 02:06:43 I can't type worth syte Aug 15 02:06:58 pretty much Aug 15 02:07:41 with 2 or 3 gb just add a preset Aug 15 02:08:02 you would want it all onboard Aug 15 02:08:16 it doesn't change enough Aug 15 02:09:31 besides it takes what 10 15 seconds to load 200 MB of new mp3 on to a stick Aug 15 02:09:40 reprogramming cards would create a strain eventually leading to card failures and would require more operator interaction Aug 15 02:10:17 one could easily create a device that would allow you to cycle through languages on the device Aug 15 02:10:33 they are $10 each when the stick dies toss it and get a new one. the memory issues is the LEAST of the engineering problems Aug 15 02:10:39 keep in mind, people who sell these things aren't geniuses :P Aug 15 02:10:56 not sold rented Aug 15 02:10:57 ok, then you deal with weird issues as they fail, and confused staff with unhappy customers Aug 15 02:11:25 if you want a cool idea, create a system that uses bt to change the profile of your phone Aug 15 02:11:36 use a certificate system so only authorised people can do it Aug 15 02:11:46 then, you walk into a theatre, and your phone auto-switches to silent Aug 15 02:11:53 you walk out, it auto-switches to normal Aug 15 02:12:02 oh and using wifi and slow down load every time 3 people show up at the same venue won't cause head aches Aug 15 02:12:04 go to a meeting... it changes as you enter the room, etc Aug 15 02:13:17 if you implemented at a system like that, and got backing from phone manufacturers... you could make a LOT of money Aug 15 02:13:35 ieatlint, a system like what? Aug 15 02:13:53 that used bluetooth to tell your phone to enter silent mode Aug 15 02:13:59 like when you enter a theatre Aug 15 02:14:39 oy vey Aug 15 02:14:43 where do i have to route to again Aug 15 02:14:57 movie theatre installs a bt transmitter to tell phones go silent, has a certificate system to prevent people from making faking transmitters... Aug 15 02:16:05 route -n Aug 15 02:16:07 woops Aug 15 02:16:08 so yeah Aug 15 02:16:18 micrsoft is making such a DRM (Digital restrictions management) like system.. ieatlint Aug 15 02:16:44 heh, drm is nasty though Aug 15 02:16:47 so anyhow how do I add all my games on fr into their own desktop? or get the scap screen shot to work on 2008.8? Aug 15 02:16:56 i'm not talking about a system that is closed or forces you to do anything Aug 15 02:17:10 it'd be like ssl, you say "ok, when odeon theatres tells me to, do it" Aug 15 02:17:38 Microsoft is doing some of the most creative thinking along these lines, with something it's calling "Digital Manners Policies." According to its patent application, DMP-enabled devices would accept broadcast "orders" limiting capabilities. Cellphones could be remotely set to vibrate mode in restaurants and concert halls, and be turned off on airplanes and in hospitals. Cameras could be prohibited from taking pictures in locker rooms and Aug 15 02:17:38 museums, and recording equipment could be disabled in theaters. Professors finally could prevent students from texting one another during class. Aug 15 02:18:28 heh, that's pointless Aug 15 02:18:32 source defectivebydesign.org Aug 15 02:18:39 any system that forces it simply won't be accepted Aug 15 02:19:12 if a professor wants to stop cell phones in his class, tell him to get wire meshed backed wallpaper Aug 15 02:19:20 most people don't care or don't understand their freedoms if we are talking about computers etc Aug 15 02:19:32 sadly true Aug 15 02:19:41 * ieatlint is actually wearing an eff shirt at the moment Aug 15 02:19:56 so I could see it happen, hope it won't happen though Aug 15 02:20:16 maybe for windows mobile phones it will happen Aug 15 02:20:21 i'll just laugh at that though Aug 15 02:20:37 and iPhones Aug 15 02:20:41 hehe Aug 15 02:20:57 idea is good for a voluntary thing, where people otherwise simply forget Aug 15 02:21:01 forcing it... never good Aug 15 02:21:11 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ how do I organize this? Aug 15 02:21:26 yeah if you would get a message, please turn of your phone, that wouldn't be a problem but forcing it is wrong Aug 15 02:22:12 well, prompt like bt already does Aug 15 02:22:24 when someone tries to connect to your phone, it says "is this ok?" Aug 15 02:22:42 and supporting a default "when X asks me, go silent" is also fine Aug 15 02:22:55 as long as you can control it Aug 15 02:23:03 but it'd otherwise be convenient Aug 15 02:23:12 we all forget on occasion to do it Aug 15 02:23:19 ... switch to silent, i mean Aug 15 02:23:26 having it go automatically would be nice Aug 15 02:23:41 the trouble is that it's too hard to do on most phones. Aug 15 02:24:07 on the Treo line, it's a physical slide button on the top of the phone, which you can reach, recognise, and slide, without even removing the phone from your pocket. Aug 15 02:24:08 anyway I'm on my way to bed Aug 15 02:24:28 rwhitby: there's no other way to go to silent? Aug 15 02:24:48 ieatlint: sure, you can do it by time, by calendar entry, etc. as well Aug 15 02:25:00 but the slide switch on the top is a physical override Aug 15 02:25:07 * ieatlint shrugs Aug 15 02:25:09 if that's on mute, then the phone just won't make a noise. Aug 15 02:25:31 what is /.e/e/appshadow? Aug 15 02:25:33 the concept is solid methinks, the application could be done with software modification and existing systems Aug 15 02:25:50 but the actual implementation would require industry-wide support, and that's unlikely Aug 15 02:25:59 I laugh when I see people with phones, and they are trying to put them on mute, and the 15 menu items they need to go through to do so all make a small noise when selected. Aug 15 02:26:11 lol Aug 15 02:26:13 same for phones that make a sound as you are turning them off. completely idiotic design. Aug 15 02:26:15 yeah, i Aug 15 02:26:16 yeah, i Aug 15 02:26:18 blah Aug 15 02:26:27 i'm using to nokia where i would just hold down # Aug 15 02:26:34 wow i'm going to frenchville, pa tom and openstreetmaps has better mapping of it then google Aug 15 02:26:43 i can't talk well now :P Aug 15 02:28:25 did you guys see the temp test repos for 2008.8? Aug 15 02:28:34 yep Aug 15 02:28:59 i updated to them and now my keyboard randomly changes between new illume one and old illume one haha Aug 15 02:30:08 where are those repos at sirbob? Aug 15 02:31:07 trix: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/026491.html Aug 15 02:31:15 remember not completely stable Aug 15 02:31:42 thanks :) Aug 15 02:31:53 i love fog Aug 15 02:35:04 hmm so whats the point of the gestures applications right now besides the screen change? the other stuff at the moment seems ok but need a good way to link it. i'd like to up my phone to answer it Aug 15 02:35:38 gestures are unreliable for such things methinks Aug 15 02:35:53 prolly but i like to piss myself off alot haha Aug 15 02:35:54 because it's just as likely to answer the call in your pocket, with a walking movement activating it Aug 15 02:35:57 anyone know if installing pulse-audio on the latest ASU builds still breaks all audio? Aug 15 02:36:16 it however could be fun for games Aug 15 02:36:35 ieatlint: true. lol imagine playing snake with it Aug 15 02:36:36 here's to hoping someone can get hardware acceleration for neverball and accelerometer input for control Aug 15 02:36:44 lol Aug 15 02:36:50 i like the face down on the table not moving means silent mode idea Aug 15 02:37:00 controlling snake with it would be easy Aug 15 02:37:29 i can see myself never getting the hang of it Aug 15 02:37:33 ieatlint: that would be awesome for neverball Aug 15 02:37:46 or better yet, does anyone know of a media player that works on 2008.8 that wont break audio? Aug 15 02:37:53 ieatlint: could use the compas to aim for never putt :) Aug 15 02:38:05 compas? Aug 15 02:38:26 er, how ever it determines the direction yer facing Aug 15 02:38:37 it doesn't Aug 15 02:38:59 just math. and history Aug 15 02:39:02 you could buy a compass module though Aug 15 02:39:03 then fhy does tango show the direction you are heading? Aug 15 02:39:07 for headed direction Aug 15 02:39:11 ah Aug 15 02:39:16 AntonTakk: it figures your direction as you move Aug 15 02:39:20 ya Aug 15 02:39:28 in the "you used to be here, now you're here, so you must've moved north" Aug 15 02:39:37 but if you stay still, it has no idea Aug 15 02:39:52 http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/categories.php?c=83 ... $60 buys you a digital compass Aug 15 02:39:58 standing still i read that the gps thows out minute (minuute??) changes all the time so it will cause a direction Aug 15 02:40:14 GPS tells you the direction of the movement Aug 15 02:40:44 the GPS satellites send back your speed, lat, long, time, and direction Aug 15 02:40:55 http://gizmodo.com/5037264/the-beerdolier-drink-like-a-commando Aug 15 02:41:00 SirBob1701: yeah, so do the accelerometers Aug 15 02:41:13 if you put the phone still, and don't touch it, the gps coords will vary slightly Aug 15 02:41:20 and the accelerometer info will too Aug 15 02:41:49 Pyrasi: they don't send your speed or direction Aug 15 02:42:11 you can calculate it based on how far you moved and in what direction at a certain interval Aug 15 02:42:58 you could actually add a compass to the neo, but it'd be a real hack :P Aug 15 02:43:10 are you sure they dont? I was writing a gps app for an old nokia phone, and I got all of those back as well....i mean i guess the motorola driver could have been calculating it...but i didnt think it was Aug 15 02:43:27 i am positive Aug 15 02:43:28 and by nokia i mean nextel Aug 15 02:43:53 huh....fair enough. Aug 15 02:44:24 you can find guies about the nmea data the gps puts out online Aug 15 02:44:49 http://gpsd.berlios.de/NMEA.txt for instance Aug 15 02:45:21 http://www.gpsinformation.org/dale/nmea.htm might be easier to understand Aug 15 02:45:41 GPS sats don't send anything "back" - each satellite sends a 1-way broadcast of its time and orbital position. The receiver calculates everything else. Aug 15 02:46:23 yep, which is why you can use gps receivers on a play... they don't transmit Aug 15 02:47:27 hello everyone Aug 15 02:47:29 does anyone know the ip of the download server? Aug 15 02:48:33 which server? Aug 15 02:48:41 downloads.openmoko.org Aug 15 02:48:48 $ dig +short downloads.openmoko.org Aug 15 02:48:48 shakti.openmoko.org. Aug 15 02:48:48 88.198.93.219 Aug 15 02:48:59 problem is, go to that site Aug 15 02:49:03 what he said Aug 15 02:49:05 hit up firefox and look at the site Aug 15 02:49:15 it's not the download server we all know and love Aug 15 02:49:40 virtual hosts :P Aug 15 02:50:10 crap Aug 15 02:50:26 my fr isn't resolving ip's Aug 15 02:53:08 prolly resolv.conf Aug 15 02:53:12 nope Aug 15 02:53:25 my wpa_supplicant was using the wrong ssid Aug 15 02:53:35 damn Aug 15 02:53:36 lol Aug 15 02:54:00 hmm i need a good gtk2.0 rc Aug 15 02:54:18 so what exactly was the angstrom update i applied today with opkg upgrade? Aug 15 02:55:31 there Aug 15 02:55:31 got it **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 15 02:59:56 2008