**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 15 02:59:56 2008 Aug 15 03:12:18 can someone tell me where the flower background image us stored on the fr ? using recent buildserver rootfs Aug 15 03:17:52 uhm, i dunno, but i'll bet you it's a png image Aug 15 03:18:00 try searching for a png images in /usr Aug 15 03:18:56 it impresses me how much 2008.8 sucks, and considering i am content with 2007.2 or fso... that says something Aug 15 03:23:17 does anyone have the infamous "registering..." problem on other distribs, or it it a problem that affects only 2007.2? Aug 15 03:24:44 2008.8 doesnt register reliably too Aug 15 03:26:04 hmm, is 2008.8 still using gsmd? or is it using a different radio controller? Aug 15 03:26:48 no Aug 15 03:26:52 qtopia Aug 15 03:27:21 drat. was afraid of that. sounds more like a hardware problem then, i suppose Aug 15 03:27:58 i think the comparison of the openmoko to linux in the 90s is valid... each distro/image has it's benefits, weaknesses, and none work quite right :P Aug 15 03:28:19 netx: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems Aug 15 03:28:37 gps_ Aug 15 03:28:38 ? Aug 15 03:29:08 netx: gsm issues are not a hardware problem Aug 15 03:29:14 it's a software problem Aug 15 03:29:35 mwester earlier said that in the .24 kernel, they are "very" close to having it fixed/reliable Aug 15 03:29:58 although with fso, i haven't had someone tell me they tried to call and didn't get through since july Aug 15 03:30:44 tunys: i was referring to gsm, not gps Aug 15 03:30:55 brb Aug 15 03:30:57 ieatlint: good, i was hoping for a s/w rather than h/w fix Aug 15 03:31:12 netx: oh, sorry, I have the dumb Aug 15 03:31:16 can't brain today Aug 15 03:31:20 tunys: np ;-) Aug 15 03:31:51 ok, now i properly have my domain displayed instead of an ip.. yay Aug 15 03:32:21 i am thinking seriously about flashing to fso, do you know if it can be updated via opkg, or will i need to reflash for each milestone? Aug 15 03:32:27 netx: if power (suspend) weren't an issue, gsm would be solved today Aug 15 03:32:36 the issue is suspending and waking up for a call Aug 15 03:32:54 hmm, i have the problem even when i turn off the power management Aug 15 03:33:13 * ieatlint shrugs Aug 15 03:33:21 fso isn't perfect Aug 15 03:33:28 sms on fso has drawbacks Aug 15 03:33:33 and phone calls too... Aug 15 03:33:52 but when it comes to reliably receiving calls.. fso is king in my opinion/experience Aug 15 03:34:12 actually, once 2007.2, in my experience, does finally get registered, it suspends/resumes properly Aug 15 03:34:15 sms has a bit of work, and there's no call log in zhone Aug 15 03:34:26 yeah, 2007.2 isn't bad Aug 15 03:34:36 2008.8/asu is a nightmare :P Aug 15 03:34:42 yeah, i have been following fso and i realize it's still very early Aug 15 03:35:03 before 2008.8 was released i kept trying to tell people to not get excited... next time they'll believe me, perhaps :P Aug 15 03:35:30 it's weird, when i use libgsmd-tool to manually O;r;P it tells me the network cell # and operator name Aug 15 03:35:44 but for some reason, the autoregister system can't seem to get that Aug 15 03:36:01 you a developer? Aug 15 03:36:28 not an openmoko dev, but i am a programmer in general Aug 15 03:36:49 so go learn fso's dbus api and mae a nice ui :P Aug 15 03:36:55 right now i am swamped at work, so i am trying to not spend too much time playing w/ my phone ;-) Aug 15 03:37:14 i would, but i still can't figure out quite what a variable is, or how to "use" one Aug 15 03:37:18 hah, yeah, i am no UI programmer, more backend stuff Aug 15 03:37:21 wait Aug 15 03:37:46 what image has the Splash with the green progression bar? Aug 15 03:37:56 ASU Aug 15 03:38:19 and 2008.8 Aug 15 03:38:28 the boots Aug 15 03:38:30 hmm Aug 15 03:39:01 oh, damn, i need to finish my beer and catch a bus in 6 min Aug 15 03:39:32 hmm Aug 15 03:39:34 interesting Aug 15 03:39:49 yeah, it's guinnness, so it's interesting and enjoyable Aug 15 03:40:30 ieatlint: i wonder which image i had on here then hahaha Aug 15 03:40:48 in other news, the #1 Threat on the Threatdown (Colbert Report) is...the iPhone! Aug 15 03:40:59 when did you install it? Aug 15 03:41:46 if you installed it prior to 8/8, then it was asu Aug 15 03:41:48 SUNWjoejaxx: i noticed that when i updated 2007.2 w/ opkg, i started getting a boots splash briefly too Aug 15 03:41:53 after then, asu or 2008.8 Aug 15 03:42:04 heh, ok, nm Aug 15 03:42:16 it wasn't fso or qtopia, anyway :P Aug 15 03:42:30 it shows up for only a second or 2 before being replaced by the openmoko splash Aug 15 03:42:36 ok, bbl Aug 15 03:42:44 ieatlint: l8r Aug 15 03:42:45 netx: hmm Aug 15 03:44:03 I've looked through /usr for *.png and so far no luck findind the flower background. Anyone know where it is ? Aug 15 03:44:06 * SUNWjoejaxx goes to flash with 2008.8 Aug 15 03:46:18 2008.8 with the dev repo updates seems to be pretty stable..of course that's just in the 30 minutes or so i've been playing with it Aug 15 03:46:49 More importantly, I can receive calls and send sms but can't initiate a call on my buildhost image 080813. Does this work for anyone else ? Aug 15 03:46:51 i wouldn't agree that 2008.8 is a nightmare Aug 15 03:47:21 i am really liking the progress made on it... Aug 15 03:47:44 i wouldn't mind testing packages either to make work on it go much faster Aug 15 03:50:29 i've had no luck importing vcards with qtopia/asu, however, and that stinks Aug 15 03:51:01 i'm past keeping 2 phones on me so i can look up who it is who's calling me Aug 15 03:51:03 haha Aug 15 03:51:16 now it's all about area codes. Aug 15 03:56:08 anyone had any real luck improving battery life in om2008.8? Aug 15 03:59:38 i keep getting "fork" failed when running opkg after which it coredumps Aug 15 03:59:56 after runnig it a number of times it sometimes works Aug 15 04:00:22 has anyone had any similar problems? Aug 15 04:01:31 oh and btw the leather horizontal magnetic holsters for the Blackberry 7100g fit the Freerunner perfectly :D Aug 15 04:02:42 this happens mainly when trying to install something Aug 15 04:03:54 it seems to have 25mb free Aug 15 04:03:58 (of ram) Aug 15 04:08:32 actually even opkg update fails, i've even increased the ulimits Aug 15 04:12:53 hm, i removed a bunch of sources and now it works - sounds like opkg is a bit memory hungry :) Aug 15 04:16:12 Collected errors: Aug 15 04:16:13 * Could not obtain administrative lock Aug 15 04:16:13 root@om-gta02:~# opkg update Aug 15 04:17:36 well i just flashed to 2008.8 we will see soon Aug 15 04:19:03 the wiki warns about having a Default.kbd file laying around, and I have had a lot of problems with illume crashing... where might this file be if it exists? Aug 15 04:29:03 well i was definitely not on 2008.8 haha Aug 15 04:29:29 what no installer? Aug 15 04:33:43 2008.8 reminds me of the openmoko website Aug 15 04:34:08 how so Aug 15 04:34:19 simplicity Aug 15 04:34:32 the black background with green highlights Aug 15 04:34:43 like with the button links on the openmoko website Aug 15 04:34:52 oh yes Aug 15 04:36:25 :) Aug 15 04:37:03 I have not been able to get anything on my phone to work. Aug 15 04:37:14 Hoping that an idiot version will come out soon. Aug 15 04:38:01 the pkone? Aug 15 04:38:06 phone? Aug 15 04:38:19 at&t? Aug 15 04:38:56 helo? Aug 15 04:39:45 ive had all the os's on my phone cept debian Aug 15 04:40:02 really Aug 15 04:40:08 which one is the best? Aug 15 04:40:12 patterson u have att? Aug 15 04:40:25 I am Canadian.... Rogers Aug 15 04:40:26 2008.8 i think Aug 15 04:40:29 can anyone use bluetooth on the recent ASU builds? Aug 15 04:40:39 i cant find the file makevars.sh used for the build bu qmake process Aug 15 04:40:53 Thank you linuxxr Aug 15 04:41:01 for/ Aug 15 04:41:03 ? Aug 15 04:41:16 2008.8 i think Aug 15 04:41:23 can anyone help me? Aug 15 04:41:31 20070424 was the best before Aug 15 04:41:58 i liked fso real well Aug 15 04:42:02 so flash the kernal firsts, then...? Aug 15 04:42:08 first Aug 15 04:42:09 qtopia was great Aug 15 04:42:13 yeah Aug 15 04:42:19 i really liked qtopia Aug 15 04:42:23 the rootfs next Aug 15 04:42:39 kernal, then rootfs.... is that all? Aug 15 04:43:06 well a new uboot maybe Aug 15 04:43:16 yea thats all Aug 15 04:43:16 ok Aug 15 04:43:38 thank you..... recharging my battery to take another run at it. Aug 15 04:43:44 if your not going to dual boot u need a uboot update Aug 15 04:44:08 no, not going to dual boot. maybe that has been my problem Aug 15 04:44:14 on mty sys it was./dfu instead of dfu Aug 15 04:44:41 if u dual boot u need an upgrade Aug 15 04:44:52 uboot otherwise Aug 15 04:45:02 dont Aug 15 04:45:18 no phone? Aug 15 04:46:07 open the sim holder a look an see if the tab is contacting the sim contact Aug 15 04:47:08 my sim contacts on the sim that was shipped to me was offset to the point of shorting out on the holder tab Aug 15 04:47:26 so checkit Aug 15 04:48:30 if its touching the contact it is fefective by design Aug 15 04:48:31 hi on the 2007.2 release how does one get to the second menu -- to flip the orientation i managed to get to it once -- how do i do it again ? Aug 15 04:48:47 aux button Aug 15 04:48:57 top left Aug 15 04:49:05 lol Aug 15 04:49:18 There was old dbmoodb clicking away at icons on the screen Aug 15 04:49:39 ahhh Aug 15 04:49:43 And it went into portrait 'cause in his frustration he gripped it hard Aug 15 04:49:45 u not as noob Aug 15 04:50:13 a cracked the screen in his frustration Aug 15 04:50:21 lol Aug 15 04:50:31 That's what *I'd* do! Aug 15 04:50:56 fuck me, you should hear how I yell at slow drivers Aug 15 04:51:14 well stopit Aug 15 04:51:27 BIAB Aug 15 04:51:32 do u hit the steering wheel to? Aug 15 04:52:30 I just changet to landscape..... hooray. Aug 15 04:54:42 what it carrierclass.net? Aug 15 04:55:54 booting FSO Aug 15 04:56:01 let us see how this image is Aug 15 05:00:04 well that was short lived Aug 15 05:00:11 * donomo laughs Aug 15 05:02:49 i think i have tried ever image now except the Debian ones Aug 15 05:02:55 every* Aug 15 05:03:17 which is best? Aug 15 05:04:00 qtopia and which ever one i had originally Aug 15 05:04:10 which i cannot figure out what version Aug 15 05:04:35 it is great to hear that you are confused, Joe.... I lose track too. Aug 15 05:05:17 dpaterso: on qtopia i could make calls/receive txt (iirc) Aug 15 05:05:25 dpaterso: wifi and bluetooth worked Aug 15 05:05:28 I get an error 60 when I try to flash qtopia. Aug 15 05:05:31 wow!!! Aug 15 05:05:45 I have made calls..... never had any thing with WIFI Aug 15 05:06:12 do you recall which qtopia images? Aug 15 05:06:27 is it safe to run opkg update; opkg upgrade on 2008.8? Aug 15 05:07:25 dpaterso: the one under ROM images with the "updated" tag and 2008/8/13 release date Aug 15 05:07:38 thank you joe Aug 15 05:09:05 has anyone been able to get bluetooth to work with 2008.8? Aug 15 05:09:18 i keep having problems Aug 15 05:09:42 dpaterso: you are most welcome Aug 15 05:14:39 yeah i think qtopia is going back on here Aug 15 05:17:13 just put 2008.8 on there an HELP Aug 15 05:17:29 put qutopia on the sd Aug 15 05:17:41 i love to hate it Aug 15 05:17:47 hmm Aug 15 05:17:51 maybe i shoulw Aug 15 05:17:53 should* Aug 15 05:17:59 m a be Aug 15 05:18:17 * SUNWjoejaxx goes to look up the dual boot docs Aug 15 05:18:33 cant get all u damn engineers to head in the same direction Aug 15 05:19:58 linuxxr: :P Aug 15 05:20:30 some have an issue with phne calls on 2008.8 but the wiki points out that" if u get a call dont hang up an run these commands Aug 15 05:20:48 it will start working Aug 15 05:21:10 now thats apiece of work right there Aug 15 05:21:46 since the phone calls were stable on #1 Aug 15 05:23:22 that right there is "bolts being left loose " on purpose Aug 15 05:24:22 when i first installed 2008.8 the first thing i noticed was no calls Aug 15 05:26:26 then after using the qtopia release ,withhout a problem, i put 2008.8 back on an the phone worked --go figure Aug 15 05:28:10 so is md5sum used or not because it seems to me that what u get is not always correct Aug 15 05:28:37 i could be wrong but i dont think so Aug 15 05:29:58 are there md5sum automatic checks of the downloaded software when an install/upgrade is preformed Aug 15 05:30:12 are there md5sum automatic checks of the downloaded software when an install/upgrade is preformed? Aug 15 05:30:41 i cant rember seeing in the opkg output Aug 15 05:31:49 well is it on there yet:) Aug 15 05:32:47 the next modle needs a wqay of changing the sdcard readily from the exterior Aug 15 05:37:11 linuxxr: i was already in the process of flashing qtopia :P Aug 15 05:40:39 * raster flashes Aug 15 05:41:57 iss it 080808 qtopia or fso Aug 15 05:42:09 i liked fso very well Aug 15 05:42:26 qtopia080808 Aug 15 05:43:44 so since 2008.8 openmoko is default i thought it best to stick with openmoko Aug 15 05:44:09 an gps works an phone works Aug 15 05:44:31 an i can listen to my messages Aug 15 05:45:12 an has installer Aug 15 06:00:19 ok Aug 15 06:00:26 quick quick quick poll Aug 15 06:00:43 if you have 6 "punctuaion" chars you need the most - what are they Aug 15 06:00:44 6 only Aug 15 06:01:06 (for now i have . - ? , / !) Aug 15 06:03:56 + - < > [ ] Aug 15 06:04:36 zash: for regular egnlish text Aug 15 06:04:40 not for coding or terminals Aug 15 06:05:03 what, you didn't get my brainfuck reference? Aug 15 06:05:14 as i said Aug 15 06:05:16 not for coding Aug 15 06:05:17 :) Aug 15 06:05:59 any voip clients yet ? Aug 15 06:07:36 raster: iduno about / Aug 15 06:07:36 dbmoodb: why wouldn't all work? Aug 15 06:07:50 zash: suggestion to replace? Aug 15 06:07:52 ' Aug 15 06:07:53 " Aug 15 06:07:55 lindi-: couldn't get to build linphone / other Aug 15 06:08:06 $ Aug 15 06:08:07 raster: for english, probably ' Aug 15 06:08:09 & Aug 15 06:08:25 just looking for the most common Aug 15 06:08:41 i basically squeezed the kbd down a bit and have room for 3 keys on the right Aug 15 06:08:44 do some statistics on wp Aug 15 06:08:49 along wiht shift that makes for 6 symbols Aug 15 06:08:51 dbmoodb: apt-get --build source linphone works for me Aug 15 06:09:08 aah fuck it Aug 15 06:09:15 if i need to do stat analysis..., Aug 15 06:09:15 i' Aug 15 06:09:20 i'll leave it Aug 15 06:09:24 lindi-: what ? Aug 15 06:09:28 pacthes/debates accepted Aug 15 06:09:29 :) Aug 15 06:09:29 are you on debian fso ? Aug 15 06:09:29 raster: haha Aug 15 06:10:24 dbmoodb: debian with fso tools packaged Aug 15 06:10:42 ok Aug 15 06:10:43 - or / Aug 15 06:10:47 whihc is more useful? Aug 15 06:10:48 raster: you might be able to skip - Aug 15 06:10:54 dbmoodb: plain 'apt-get install linphone' works too but if you insist on compiling you can 'apt-get --build source linphone' Aug 15 06:11:05 (in english) Aug 15 06:11:05 lindi-: ok will look into but but -- my sdcard gets wipied on suspend ...grumbles Aug 15 06:11:18 raster: with some magic Aug 15 06:11:21 dbmoodb: it's only the partition table? Aug 15 06:11:27 ah.. ? Aug 15 06:11:35 well the paritions get all mixed up Aug 15 06:11:48 raster: / in english feels not critical Aug 15 06:11:53 u can still get al the punct chars Aug 15 06:12:05 u just need to flip to the numbers layout Aug 15 06:12:08 where it has them all Aug 15 06:12:18 raster: but, blabla.blabla makes no sence, so some magic like s/\b\.\b/-/ ? Aug 15 06:12:19 i just want to cover the most common ones together with qwerty Aug 15 06:12:35 raster: probably out of scope for a keyboard Aug 15 06:12:40 if its just a keyboard Aug 15 06:12:55 its just a keyboard Aug 15 06:13:03 you're getting into entire language/ionput analysis Aug 15 06:13:11 whihc goes beyond 1 word at a time Aug 15 06:13:22 there is a point at whihc i need to call it quits Aug 15 06:13:27 and decide its not the job of a keyboard anymore Aug 15 06:13:28 :) Aug 15 06:14:26 lindi-: post an image ? maybe.... Aug 15 06:14:40 i think my old nokia does some stuff like that anyways Aug 15 06:14:45 would be nice ... / how does one go about making an working iamge of it ... (phone running debian) Aug 15 06:14:55 my tar failed... Aug 15 06:15:01 replace dots in middle of words with - Aug 15 06:15:17 dbmoodb: image? Aug 15 06:15:26 like a copy of the install Aug 15 06:15:56 höh, bla.t gives bla:t Aug 15 06:15:58 dbmoodb: not sure if it's ready for that yet Aug 15 06:16:17 its beta / alpha sure still Aug 15 06:16:46 how do i do it -- properly so i don't have to deboostrap every new suspend killing of the sdcard ? Aug 15 06:17:20 dbmoodb: if you want to help you can test the installation script Aug 15 06:17:31 ah ? Aug 15 06:17:58 dbmoodb: http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/install.txt.gismo Aug 15 06:18:15 hmm, those are the notes Aug 15 06:18:40 http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/install.sh is the script, i've only manually followed the notes Aug 15 06:19:27 do i need a new uboot ? Aug 15 06:19:37 dbmoodb: nope Aug 15 06:20:08 boots just fine with the ancient version i have in NOR Aug 15 06:21:24 lindi-: anyway to fix / restore after the paritiont table gets wonkey ? Aug 15 06:22:03 dbmoodb: make a backup of it Aug 15 06:22:30 dbmoodb: then boot nand and restore it from there? Aug 15 06:22:34 yeah i was asking how to do that -- the best way Aug 15 06:22:37 is not uboot in control of that? Aug 15 06:23:49 u use fdisk to do it? Aug 15 06:24:02 linuxxr: to do what? Aug 15 06:29:32 the sdcard? Aug 15 06:30:01 linuxxr: are you asking how to backup the partition table ? Aug 15 06:35:11 i cant get my sd card to fdisk at all it just reverts back to the orioginal table Aug 15 06:35:43 so i bought a 2 gig thinking the 512 was bad Aug 15 06:36:10 buti get the same error so its something im doing wrong Aug 15 06:36:30 which image would u recomment for regular cellphone use? Aug 15 06:37:01 the original 1 worked ok Aug 15 06:37:17 fso worked 2 Aug 15 06:37:20 linuxxr: ? Aug 15 06:37:32 080808 qtopia worked well Aug 15 06:37:37 the original one no suspend right? Aug 15 06:37:45 linuxxr: would be very interesting if only 512 bytes were somehow broken Aug 15 06:37:47 linuxxr: are you rebooting after the fdisk? Aug 15 06:38:13 and before making your filesystem Aug 15 06:38:14 well it always gives that error Aug 15 06:38:29 reboot the freerunner? Aug 15 06:38:36 does milestone2 have suspend working? Aug 15 06:38:42 are you using the FR to make your filesystem? Aug 15 06:38:52 no ssh in Aug 15 06:39:15 linuxxr: what error? Aug 15 06:39:17 but the FR is doing the work? Aug 15 06:39:26 yup Aug 15 06:39:49 lindi- asked...what error? Aug 15 06:40:11 i make it throuhg but error is reverting back to original Aug 15 06:40:31 can you state what the error actually said? Aug 15 06:40:41 i reproduce Aug 15 06:40:47 hold on Aug 15 06:40:50 that's human Aug 15 06:40:52 ;) Aug 15 06:40:56 lol Aug 15 06:41:47 anyone else frustrated that the screen can't be read in full sun? Aug 15 06:42:45 it cant? Aug 15 06:42:47 :( Aug 15 06:42:50 undrwater: meh don't care Aug 15 06:42:54 getting my moko hopefully tomorrow Aug 15 06:43:06 it can... Aug 15 06:43:14 in the shade Aug 15 06:43:37 yeah...used it as a phone today...got a call...pulled it out of my pocket...couldn't shade it with my hands enough to be read...missed the call Aug 15 06:43:55 if BT gets running, that won't matter as much Aug 15 06:43:57 undrwater: you have a body don't you ? Aug 15 06:44:31 dbmoodb: i do....but sun passes right through it...actually, i coudn't make enough shade to read it...i had light dimmed to save power...made it tough Aug 15 06:44:35 lindi-: how does one get the wifi to work Aug 15 06:44:50 (debian) Aug 15 06:45:14 dbmoodb, #debian Aug 15 06:45:21 no that's not debian Aug 15 06:45:25 does the module work or not ? Aug 15 06:45:44 zaurus has this beautiful trans-reflective screen...works really well in full sunlight Aug 15 06:45:48 phrozen77: i'm not interested in the setup i'm interested if it works or not Aug 15 06:47:13 thats crazy it worked that time Aug 15 06:47:45 it's cause i was here :P ;) Aug 15 06:47:53 yup Aug 15 06:47:57 prolly Aug 15 06:49:40 has anyone used the qtopia sync agent? Aug 15 07:20:17 minimo for 2008.8? Aug 15 07:23:13 *sigh* kernel still running, pinging via USB networking works, but no ssh Aug 15 07:23:21 after a night of nothing Aug 15 07:24:21 asha Aug 15 07:24:29 man ... still more kbd touchups. Aug 15 07:24:36 like a neverending source of them Aug 15 07:29:47 wonka Aug 15 07:31:35 screen lit back up after replugging USB Aug 15 07:31:49 but no reaction on touchscreen or button presses Aug 15 07:32:02 only other reaction is pongs Aug 15 07:33:53 coma? Aug 15 07:33:55 i am on holiday now and i dont know where to start with my neo:-) Aug 15 07:34:29 install 2008.8 Aug 15 07:35:05 debian + zhone maybe an option Aug 15 07:35:15 first, i'll reboot and get an image (and extra tarball) of everything i've got in flash Aug 15 07:35:29 linuxrr: i installed it yet on the 2nd partition:-) Aug 15 07:35:35 also a list of installed packages Aug 15 07:35:39 and versions Aug 15 07:36:50 i hope that the work of all the people out there will "converge" to somewhat we can call stable release Aug 15 07:44:16 heh cool i just got an email from ken young (author of orrery star map program) Aug 15 07:44:44 Oh - really. (in Scooby voice) Aug 15 07:46:03 that is a neato program Aug 15 07:46:45 although the stars out here are barely ever visible Aug 15 07:51:32 hello all, i am a newbie from Taiwan Aug 15 07:53:18 i am interested in the wifi chip- Atheros AR6001GZ used in FreeRunner Aug 15 07:53:54 does anyone know why FreeRunner choices this chip ? Aug 15 07:55:27 i think cause of the GPL'd kernel modules/driver to speak to it Aug 15 07:59:05 not for low power issue? Aug 15 08:00:34 i am trying to find out the discussion about the wifi chip selection... Aug 15 08:04:16 it was both, afaik Aug 15 08:04:24 GPL driver and low power usage Aug 15 08:05:59 dbmoodb: wifi works Aug 15 08:06:21 dbmoodb: iwconfig eth0 essid $essid Aug 15 08:06:30 dbmoodb: dhclient -d eth0 Aug 15 08:07:21 Wonka, i think you are right, thanks Aug 15 08:07:36 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware_Requirements#WiFi_802.11_b.2Fg_transceiver Aug 15 08:09:54 morning Aug 15 08:19:07 Aug 15 08:20:45 the wiki has really matured in the past 2 weeks (i've been on vacation) Aug 15 08:57:31 jeez fricken netsplitz Aug 15 09:01:39 anybody tried using a Bluetooth Headset with FR (i just got one) Aug 15 09:02:41 i bet somebody did Aug 15 09:04:43 gave you read through http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth ? Aug 15 09:04:51 have* Aug 15 09:11:53 kd8ikt, aah i just saw on the page thx. Aug 15 09:12:28 i read half of the content and it was the second to last :-) Aug 15 09:16:03 well atleast now you know everything there is to know about bluetooth Aug 15 09:16:42 so it works for you then? Aug 15 09:17:09 i need to buy a cheap lil bluetooth headset Aug 15 09:17:52 cause the mic jack sucks, i was hoping audio quality would improve using bluetooth Aug 15 09:18:34 how to incoming telephone call's sound? Aug 15 09:18:43 how to change incoming telephone call's sound? Aug 15 09:32:38 i'm gonna try throwing a gentoo stage on my sd card Aug 15 09:35:37 bleh damn sd card problems Aug 15 09:39:00 kd8ikt: you might start with a stage 1 Aug 15 09:40:29 well since my card screwed i cant really do anything Aug 15 09:40:49 Input/output error Aug 15 09:41:02 and now i cant fdisk it until i reboot Aug 15 09:41:35 this cheap card sux Aug 15 09:41:55 where have you bought it? Aug 15 09:42:19 it was only 10$ so... Aug 15 09:42:31 A-data 2GB Aug 15 09:43:13 OM2008.8 sucks ass. cannot even find how to shut it down. Aug 15 09:43:18 gentoo on openmoko? yeah, running "emerge -uD world" for a whole week :-P Aug 15 09:43:28 Hold the powerbutton ;) Aug 15 09:43:31 btw, the icons are crap all the way... Aug 15 09:43:43 Arcnet: "shut it down", not "poweroff forcibly" Aug 15 09:44:13 i am pondering if i restore my backup or try FSO first. Aug 15 09:44:13 hm,... I thought that would work Aug 15 09:44:42 * Arcnet uses init 0 by ssh because he is to lazy to get up and walk over to the phone ;) Aug 15 09:47:39 2008.8 is a mistake - Hopefully they fix all the show stoppers and release a revision. Aug 15 09:48:44 actually its pretty good Aug 15 09:49:05 but i'm using fso right now Aug 15 09:49:18 not too different Aug 15 09:50:12 kd8ikt: i'm looking forward that you blog/write and submit (on the mailinglist) your expiciences with gentoo Aug 15 09:50:31 if i can get my damn card to work Aug 15 09:50:32 The suspend hang is a show stopper tho Aug 15 09:50:43 anyone figured out a way to import vcards to 2008.8? Aug 15 09:51:07 the wiki instructions for asu/qtopia have never worked for me Aug 15 09:51:19 Arcnet: that's what crosscompilers are for Aug 15 09:51:37 oh, actually, not clicking power but holding it for some time starts a shutdown Aug 15 09:51:43 (clicking suspends) Aug 15 09:52:45 the UI of 2007.2 was quite nice, actually Aug 15 09:53:03 if only it was more stable... Aug 15 09:53:56 Wonka: depends: i do like the asu ui more; the 2007.2 app launcher was horrible Aug 15 09:54:36 well, select category, click app, app starts. Aug 15 09:54:47 click AUX, get back to launcher. Aug 15 09:54:58 click power, app terminates Aug 15 09:59:49 well i did find http://gentoo.osuosl.org/experimental/arm/embedded/stages/ Aug 15 10:01:45 there are no 32GB microSD cards yet, afaik... Aug 15 10:02:01 so where would one stash the sources? Aug 15 10:02:51 nfs Aug 15 10:03:06 googlefs? Aug 15 10:03:44 and maybe a distcc host with cross compile capabilities? Aug 15 10:04:01 and make binary pkgz for the masses Aug 15 10:04:24 for which use-flags? Aug 15 10:06:55 infact the gentoo embedded people also use openembedded Aug 15 10:07:23 from what i gathered in #gentoo-embedded Aug 15 10:12:25 hi Aug 15 10:25:01 What's up, kd8? Aug 15 10:25:15 Hey bumble :) Aug 15 10:25:21 Guten Morgen Aug 15 10:25:33 goedmorgen :D Aug 15 10:25:50 omg Dave .. what are you doing outside the lab ? Aug 15 10:25:50 Aug 15 10:25:55 :x Aug 15 10:31:57 how do i get gsm, to work on 20080813??? any link on wiki? Aug 15 10:34:42 cga: goog question. can receive calls but not make any ... Aug 15 10:35:03 peter__b, at least you can receive Aug 15 10:38:44 gsm does not work... damn, just flashed it Oo Aug 15 10:40:08 Arcnet, no!!! you mean that 200808xx doesn't have gsm yet? a person i know from another channel told me he have everything working with 20080808 and upgrading to latest with opkg upgrade Aug 15 10:40:58 i am here: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1766 Aug 15 10:43:06 cga: sorry, forgot the question mark... i meant "gsm does not work?.... damn, just flashed it Oo" Aug 15 10:43:11 but I can place calls Aug 15 10:44:11 mmm i don't. the phone side of it is not working. so i have nothign but a nice interface Aug 15 10:44:34 and receiving them works fine as well (on 20080813 with rabenfrost.net/celtune source and complete opkg update && opkg upgrade) Aug 15 10:44:39 beside i can't understand how to place icons for assassin and otehr things on the today Aug 15 10:44:52 i don't have celtune Aug 15 10:45:00 only default + scaredycat Aug 15 10:45:05 i might try that Aug 15 10:45:07 cga: works with desktop files Aug 15 10:45:38 you could do that - but it might work without celtune as well (I just didn't try it before updating) Aug 15 10:46:09 Rorschach, is there a config file? i'm kinda lost XD Aug 15 10:46:14 But I have no wrench/illume settings on the top left corner :-( How can that be fixed Aug 15 10:46:43 cga: *.desktop files are a defacto standard, kde, gnome, enlightment, all use it :) Aug 15 10:46:52 you can place .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/ Aug 15 10:46:57 any good terminal for asu? (apart from om-term2) Aug 15 10:47:35 Rorschach, yes i know but i don't know how to create one and don't know where to place it. Aug 15 10:47:51 Arcnet, thanks Aug 15 10:47:58 cga: read: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/index.html and http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/ Aug 15 10:48:16 thanks Aug 15 10:48:42 the problem is that the .desktop are there but the corresponding app doesn't get showed Aug 15 10:49:12 modified the icon path correctly? Aug 15 10:49:25 restarted X? Aug 15 10:49:52 cga: illumen doenst seem to show all categories Aug 15 10:50:18 try to change the category of your application to network Aug 15 10:50:30 Rorschach, i didn't modify/restart since i did nothing yet Aug 15 10:50:41 peter__b, ok Aug 15 10:51:41 peter__b, Rorschach any good terminal for 200808xx? (apart from om-term2) Aug 15 10:52:54 cga: I'm not aware of any other... but there's xterm in the repos, maybe you wanna try it, I never did Aug 15 10:53:04 what's wrong with om-term2 for you? Aug 15 10:53:05 there is also xterm i think but term2 is good enough Aug 15 10:53:26 Rorschach, nothing wrong i just want to try Aug 15 10:53:41 I wish the FR had USB high speed, if only to speed up flashing images :) Aug 15 10:53:47 i'm curios about vte, any suggestions? Aug 15 10:54:24 btw i can get phone calls. just tried to call myself from home Aug 15 10:55:12 going to grannies for lunch , catch you later and thanks for help Aug 15 10:57:09 does any kind of "roadmap to end user useability for openmoko" - document or similar exist? Aug 15 10:57:29 or i it just down to following the mailing list ? Aug 15 10:59:13 i love this phone Aug 15 11:00:14 of course it has its, OMFG i hate it! quirks but things hopefully can only get better Aug 15 11:00:37 cag! Aug 15 11:01:00 cga: you could try vte but i like om-term2 better because of the zoom Aug 15 11:01:22 hah, zoom? Aug 15 11:01:30 I never really knew it had that, since I never used it :P Aug 15 11:02:08 zomm = change fontsize Aug 15 11:02:23 like right now i just installed 2008 to sdcard.. and the usb link isnt working Aug 15 11:02:30 you cyn mak it really small ... Aug 15 11:02:40 and i dont have a fricken terminal on the phone to help diagnose it Aug 15 11:03:16 usb should work Aug 15 11:03:20 there are modules missing Aug 15 11:03:30 use another uImage like... Aug 15 11:03:40 http://people.openmoko.org/andy/ Aug 15 11:04:32 Works fine for me (I didn't even flash the other uImage back) Aug 15 11:04:39 hrm Aug 15 11:05:00 Hey, maybe that's why GSM works for me and not for cga :-D Aug 15 11:05:15 kd8, what's wrong with openmoko-terminal2? :P~ Aug 15 11:10:11 woo, 4.15V Aug 15 11:13:14 whats wrong withit? its not installed thats whats wrong Aug 15 11:14:21 i guess i could reboot and chroot and install the temrinal Aug 15 11:16:56 Dave: woo indeed! Go for 4.8V! Aug 15 11:17:19 Dave: 3D effects without using the glamo. (though it only does flames) Aug 15 11:26:49 volts? what are you doing upping the voltage? Aug 15 11:27:29 kd8ikt: he was having problems charging his lazuh. Aug 15 11:27:36 s/lazuh/Freerunner battery/ Aug 15 11:27:37 SpeedEvil meant: kd8ikt: he was having problems charging his Freerunner battery. Aug 15 11:28:34 SpeedEvil, my screenprotector arrived - thanks :) Aug 15 11:28:39 anyone know if its possible to get libpcap on the moko? :p Aug 15 11:28:44 phrozen77: sorry for the delays :( Aug 15 11:28:50 no problem Aug 15 11:28:54 Speedevil, aww, still cool. Aug 15 11:28:58 just got the mail that said the FR is shipped Aug 15 11:28:59 :) Aug 15 11:29:21 It's doing 4.2V now :) Aug 15 11:29:28 Speedevil, but I need 7.2, right? ;) Aug 15 11:30:06 phrozen77: I have replaced the printer that caused most of the delay (due to not apparantly scanning properly, and getting lost in the system, and am contemplating going Office Space on it, or simply dissasembling for parts. Aug 15 11:30:23 yay - office space! Aug 15 11:30:30 blow it up already :D Aug 15 11:31:36 hmm Aug 15 11:31:40 What are you talking about? Aug 15 11:32:02 jfgi Aug 15 11:32:04 Hmm, no zorkman Aug 15 11:32:14 I'm still unsure of why my sound stopped working on a freerunner. Aug 15 11:32:16 is the sdcard hardware fix still better than software for fixing gps problems? Aug 15 11:32:26 My guess is it's pulseaudio related, but *shrug* Aug 15 11:36:11 :\ Aug 15 11:38:50 lol SpeedEvil i saw billions of mailing list posts about OMG speedevil is scamming me! my screen condom didnt arrive Aug 15 11:39:27 cant believe people spam the mailing list with that crap Aug 15 11:40:28 :O Aug 15 11:40:32 hahaha, wow. Aug 15 11:42:28 Dude, where's my condom? Aug 15 11:44:43 leinirs! Aug 15 11:45:00 I see you there, doing naughty things with your phone! Aug 15 11:46:02 *giggles* i was just trying to fix it! ...well, or let someone else fix it anyway ;) Aug 15 11:46:18 :D Aug 15 11:46:28 hva gjör du? Aug 15 11:47:09 Right now i'm at Akademy, sitting in the Amarok Den :) Aug 15 11:47:18 ah :P Aug 15 11:47:32 I thought they had a lair >:) Aug 15 11:47:53 an evil lair, at that Aug 15 11:47:59 edistar \o/ Aug 15 11:48:25 *giggles* Nah :) Aug 15 11:48:33 :D Aug 15 11:48:34 kd8ikt: I should probably read the mailing list. Aug 15 11:48:36 We've got a den (the wolf thing ;) ) Aug 15 11:48:41 yes yes -_- Aug 15 11:48:45 stupid howling wolf Aug 15 11:48:51 eh its mindless garbage anyway Aug 15 11:48:51 The Plasma devs are the ones that need to be kept in check, which is why they have a containment ;) Aug 15 11:48:53 doesn't he get bored? Aug 15 11:49:02 :o Aug 15 11:49:09 developer containment? Aug 15 11:49:14 i need to finish cleaning my room Aug 15 11:49:23 do you lock them in a basement, like the koreans do? :D Aug 15 11:49:24 *giggles* The Plasma Developers' Containment :) Aug 15 11:49:25 at least the plasma devs don't make as much noise as those wolves next door.... Aug 15 11:49:37 kd8ikt: OH, I SEE, the eight in your nick stands for the AGE... Aug 15 11:49:40 Mek :D Aug 15 11:49:57 hoi o/ Aug 15 11:50:24 Dave: hmm... do I know who you are? :) Aug 15 11:50:36 misschien... Aug 15 11:51:22 damn... I hate not knowing if I know someone :P Aug 15 11:52:34 * SpeedEvil puts on Darth Vader mask. Aug 15 11:52:35 >:) Aug 15 11:52:40 SITH! Aug 15 11:52:43 Mek..... I am .... Aug 15 11:52:54 lol Aug 15 11:54:17 mijn vader? :D Aug 15 11:54:48 gek :P Aug 15 11:54:53 hei bumble :) Aug 15 11:55:18 How was your essen? :) Aug 15 11:55:40 köstlich? Aug 15 11:58:49 furcht :x Aug 15 11:58:55 Dave: yes Aug 15 11:59:00 it was delicious Aug 15 11:59:04 Schnitzel Aug 15 11:59:30 anyone here using the toolchain? Aug 15 11:59:47 :p Aug 15 12:00:45 dude i need a rhoomba Aug 15 12:01:15 kd8ikt: the cleanerrobot? Aug 15 12:01:19 yea Aug 15 12:01:20 spdr_: i found qemubuilder much easier :) Aug 15 12:01:57 kd8ikt: if you have windows you could try compressed air Aug 15 12:02:10 zash! Aug 15 12:02:11 leinir: do you know if anything is planned to implement http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153136 (i know it's not amarok related but you are at akademy) Aug 15 12:02:21 Dave!?! Aug 15 12:02:26 Hei :P Aug 15 12:03:31 Hey Aug 15 12:04:15 har du en kjæreste? Aug 15 12:05:03 har jag whatnow? Aug 15 12:05:23 jaha, ja Aug 15 12:05:44 :P Aug 15 12:05:46 lÅ“l Aug 15 12:05:57 æ Aug 15 12:06:28 åäæöœ Aug 15 12:06:35 huhu Aug 15 12:07:04 jævla hæstkuk! Aug 15 12:07:23 :D Aug 15 12:07:28 relevant Aug 15 12:09:05 Dave: i don't know of anybody working on it - but i'm sure you'd be welcome to do so :) Aug 15 12:10:24 leinir: ok thank you - I would do it immediatly if i would know how to Aug 15 12:11:32 bumbl: svn checkout kdebase-apps, that's where Konqueror lives :) Aug 15 12:12:44 leinir: I know - but I don't have enough knowledge to do it my self Aug 15 12:13:11 Well, no better way to get that knowledge than by starting to poke about in the code ;) Aug 15 12:22:36 dang isit fri already Aug 15 12:25:26 YES IT IS! Aug 15 12:25:28 HUZZAH! Aug 15 12:25:47 That means that it's almost caturday! ;) Aug 15 12:25:49 friday i'm in love (cit) Aug 15 12:26:03 haha Aug 15 12:26:04 hurrr Aug 15 12:26:20 * Dave reinstalls qtopia on leinir Aug 15 12:26:27 *giggles* :) Aug 15 12:26:43 * cga reflashes his neo with qtopia since 20080813 doesn't work much as a phone yet Aug 15 12:26:59 :P Aug 15 12:27:05 yeah well, it's asu, what do you expect Aug 15 12:27:37 cga go for FSO Aug 15 12:27:56 kd8ikt, i'm willing to give it a go. i might do this now. Aug 15 12:28:09 milestone 2 is what i be using Aug 15 12:28:18 how does the fso go with basic phone thigns like calls and sms? Aug 15 12:28:34 er i think sms is fail Aug 15 12:28:58 darn i need at least calls and sms. i can wait for the rest but not for those Aug 15 12:29:05 dude groovesalad forthewin Aug 15 12:29:12 haha Aug 15 12:29:21 you and your groovay veg in the morning :p Aug 15 12:29:32 their playing some song i heard on tv with the caveman Aug 15 12:29:40 commercial gieko or somethin Aug 15 12:29:41 * cga opens his can of vegemite Aug 15 12:30:06 mplayer -playlist http://somafm.com/groovesalad24.pls Aug 15 12:30:31 what comercial is that from Aug 15 12:30:55 gotta love the "soma" part Aug 15 12:31:11 only a pill head would know that though Aug 15 12:31:23 kd8ikt, you mean somasuite? Aug 15 12:31:57 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r4cdcd5b709f6 10/packages/libgpewidget/libgpewidget_0.115.bb: libgpewidget: depend in libxinerama. Parallel builds fail due to debian renaming Aug 15 12:32:14 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rc3dcfe11ad54 10/packages/libgpewidget/ (4 files): libgpewidget: sanitize metadata order a bit and add RRECOMMENDS on gpe-icons Aug 15 12:32:19 ewwwww Aug 15 12:32:22 openmoko: 03florian 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r9321ba219d52 10/packages/libgpewidget/libgpewidget_0.117.bb: libgpewidget: add 0.117 Aug 15 12:32:30 * Dave barfs on cga Aug 15 12:32:39 * cga laughs at Dave Aug 15 12:33:00 * Dave pumps kd8ikt full of tranquilizers Aug 15 12:33:12 Dave, Aug 15 12:33:19 did you try the script? Aug 15 12:36:46 cga, your script? Aug 15 12:37:58 Dave, yes Aug 15 12:45:58 kd8ikt, FSO needs to be compiled on pc first? Aug 15 12:48:34 cga, no, I'm too scared :P Aug 15 12:48:42 meh Aug 15 12:48:50 :D Aug 15 12:48:57 remember PEBCAK XD Aug 15 12:48:57 nah, I'll run it later and improve it if you'd like Aug 15 12:49:15 yes! cooperate with me when you do Aug 15 12:49:15 Problem Exists Between Cga And Keyboard Aug 15 12:49:17 :P Aug 15 12:49:21 exactely =) Aug 15 12:49:27 *-e Aug 15 12:49:36 does anyone know who's the coder of assassin? I wanna submit a patch for it Aug 15 12:49:45 nope sorry Aug 15 12:49:51 cga: check downloads.openmoko Aug 15 12:49:57 kd8ikt, thanks Aug 15 12:50:43 kd8ikt, mmm can't find it Aug 15 12:51:11 :D Aug 15 12:51:34 framework Aug 15 12:51:35 dir Aug 15 12:51:44 thanks Aug 15 12:52:30 now let me get back to spakling my wall cause once upon a time i enjoyed throwing shurikens and shooting it with an airsoft gun (dry wall) Aug 15 12:52:59 haha Aug 15 12:53:04 fool! Aug 15 12:53:15 I used a turned over wooden monitor stand :D Aug 15 12:53:24 of course the occasional one would miss :P Aug 15 12:58:25 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rc127c77594e4 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia with various GSM stability fixes Aug 15 12:58:40 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * read91ccfb479 10/packages/openmoko-projects/openmoko-community-repository.bb: [openmoko] Change default community repository Aug 15 12:58:43 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r613d4cc52ffa 10/packages/openmoko-projects/openmoko-community-repository.bb: [openmoko-community-repository] Modify the URL Aug 15 12:58:46 I painted my walls black Aug 15 12:58:52 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rce6d726720c7 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade opkg-utils-native to get tick's Size fixes #1803 Aug 15 12:59:06 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r7974beb76937 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade u-boot to the latest stable version Aug 15 12:59:14 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r928ddb7f1cd0 10/packages/efl1/ (ecore.inc ecore_cvs.bb): [ecore] Fix DEPENDS to make the build deterministic Aug 15 12:59:29 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r5d7a58863975 10/packages/openmoko-projects/openmoko-community-repository.bb: [openmoko] Fix the feed configuration Aug 15 12:59:38 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rcfb5277af69b 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Sort the entries with FILENAME by alphabet ordering. Aug 15 12:59:51 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r3b701abeb71e 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for djvulibre Aug 15 13:00:02 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r242c7d6528ff 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for dotconf Aug 15 13:00:13 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r2eafc2854acb 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for flite Aug 15 13:00:23 HI.. Aug 15 13:00:24 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r1b8632d887bf 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for navit Aug 15 13:00:35 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rb6effb889a64 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for portaudio Aug 15 13:00:44 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rda45976a8df6 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for speech-dispatcher Aug 15 13:00:47 I'm about to go pick up my FR from the post office... before I break it, is there anything I should do first? Aug 15 13:01:58 Flinx: pray to whatever deity you pray to Aug 15 13:02:15 haha Aug 15 13:02:16 upgrade the kernel when you get it Aug 15 13:02:29 install a few apps and play around Aug 15 13:02:41 Flinx, charge it :0 Aug 15 13:02:48 Ahh yes... Aug 15 13:02:54 Charging... Aug 15 13:02:55 the getting started page on the wiki is a great "start" Aug 15 13:02:59 thats going to kill me :P Aug 15 13:03:18 kd8ikt: I know - I've been reading it for the past month ;) Aug 15 13:03:31 i guess u could always charge it via usb :) Aug 15 13:03:40 I could. Aug 15 13:03:56 spdr_: did you ever get yours unbricked? Aug 15 13:05:01 Flinx, be careful in opkg upgrade since i had to flash it after that 2 days ago.... it borked the usb port due to a bug Aug 15 13:05:31 leinir: i take it you didn't get the cap soldered on? Aug 15 13:05:35 sure you werent using incompatable package sources? Aug 15 13:05:49 with borked i mean that it wasn't working anymore to charge or connect to in openmoko. fortunately at NOR and NAND works Aug 15 13:06:15 wow it's raining ice from a dark sky here Aug 15 13:06:35 cga: is there a fix for that? Aug 15 13:06:51 seaLne: Nope :) Aug 15 13:07:05 Flinx, i don't know. i had to flash it since i couldn't ssh to it anymore Aug 15 13:07:12 should be fixed..the usb host bug Aug 15 13:07:43 checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. Aug 15 13:07:43 If you meant to cross compile, use `--host'. Aug 15 13:07:43 hmmm, should i just edit the autogen.sh ? Aug 15 13:07:50 i would gladdly get back to 2007.2 , anyone knows where to download the default image? Aug 15 13:08:21 asu is nice so is fso but they don't work as phone Aug 15 13:08:22 ah Aug 15 13:08:36 i need to try qtopia yet. Aug 15 13:08:36 kinda defeats the point doesn't it? ;) Aug 15 13:08:45 indeed Aug 15 13:09:06 almost like those spoof commercials "my phone does everything and make toast, but it doesn't make calls.." Aug 15 13:09:08 spdr_: Aug 15 13:09:10 cga, http://buildhost.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ ? Aug 15 13:09:18 I don't know where I saw that >.< Aug 15 13:09:21 use om-conf Aug 15 13:09:32 i did..i think Aug 15 13:09:41 oh Aug 15 13:09:45 sparq, is that 2007.2 ? Aug 15 13:09:54 alright... time to try not to maul the postal worker *chuckles* Aug 15 13:10:00 ohps.. spdr_ * Aug 15 13:10:08 yeah i think it is Aug 15 13:10:13 k thanks Aug 15 13:10:14 hmm sec Aug 15 13:10:20 oh? Aug 15 13:10:30 --host=arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi Aug 15 13:10:42 or just ./configure --host=arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi Aug 15 13:10:51 * Flinx tries not to trip over himself as he rushes to pick up the package. Aug 15 13:10:59 ill give it a try kd8ikt, thanks Aug 15 13:10:59 Aug 15 13:11:03 yeah Aug 15 13:11:30 what are the differences between those images: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080813/ Aug 15 13:11:32 does that work? Aug 15 13:14:26 i think it did, thanks :) Aug 15 13:14:36 kewl Aug 15 13:15:08 should'nt it produce binaries ? Aug 15 13:15:13 better read the wiki again :0 Aug 15 13:15:21 send ieatlint some paypall money for me Aug 15 13:15:43 cause he's been so cool about making useless apps i dream up Aug 15 13:16:01 spdr_: "make" produces the bins Aug 15 13:16:02 aaaargh. i should really restore my backup of my om2007.2 Aug 15 13:16:13 2008.8 is unusable. Aug 15 13:16:23 FSO is unusable, as there's no software for it... Aug 15 13:16:28 they should be somewhere in the folder you "./configured" Aug 15 13:16:32 kd8ikt, yeah but where ? :S Aug 15 13:16:41 hmm Aug 15 13:16:56 or run om-make-pkg to build an ipkg Aug 15 13:17:01 of the dir Aug 15 13:17:15 just did :) lets see if it does the job.. Aug 15 13:18:32 Wonka: ... here is my FSO repos's http://rafb.net/p/fkVAUG14.html Aug 15 13:19:29 have at it pluss i have a couple lil apps i cant live without http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/ namely lint-wifi/and agpsui Aug 15 13:19:40 http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2007.2/armv4t/ - there _is_ all the stuff Aug 15 13:19:41 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * r261b5b52805c 10/mickeydbus/mdbus: Aug 15 13:19:43 freesmartphone.org: mdbus: call introspect using the actual interface. this improves things on recent dbus versions, but Aug 15 13:19:46 freesmartphone.org: still introspect receives an empty result (for whatever reason) Aug 15 13:19:47 why is it not there for 2008.8? Aug 15 13:19:52 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * ra9cd293abe3b 10/html/index.html: use BASE url Aug 15 13:19:52 and checkout ieatlint's http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/ Aug 15 13:20:07 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rd3ffe2cc4675 10/ (15 files in 2 dirs): html: add header Aug 15 13:20:13 not compatible with FSO Aug 15 13:20:16 i think Aug 15 13:20:27 it will break your FSO if you "upgrade" Aug 15 13:20:39 argh, ok, it is there Aug 15 13:21:13 ? it? Aug 15 13:21:37 kd8ikt: the stuff similar to http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2007.2/armv4t/ Aug 15 13:21:48 kd8ikt: but is there any place like that for FSO? Aug 15 13:22:36 here is my FSO repos's http://rafb.net/p/fkVAUG14.html Aug 15 13:22:47 those should be more then compatible with FSO Aug 15 13:23:05 and enough to keep you buissy till next major milestone Aug 15 13:23:23 hmm Aug 15 13:23:25 crap my chair broke Aug 15 13:23:28 don't want to run into an argument, but... Aug 15 13:23:39 if you say FSO is unusable you completely miss the point of it Aug 15 13:24:16 its an overhaul underthe hood Aug 15 13:24:34 freesmartphone dbus API Aug 15 13:24:39 kd8ikt: ta for those :) I am just about to reflash back to FSO and those sources will make it a lot easier to get things back up to speed :) Aug 15 13:24:45 mickeyl: i am not talking about "usable as a phone" Aug 15 13:25:11 mickeyl: but if there's no way (apart from a terminal) to fire up GPS, what's the point of releasing it? Aug 15 13:25:15 i use FSO as main and 2008 as sd_card boot Aug 15 13:25:21 hmm Aug 15 13:25:24 gps works fine here Aug 15 13:25:34 you can still use gpsd Aug 15 13:25:41 but the point of releasing it is pretty clear... it's for people to develop apps Aug 15 13:25:53 that take advantage of the dbus Aug 15 13:26:14 instead of using say.. /dev/ttySAC! Aug 15 13:26:38 yes... but how to even power on the GPS device? Aug 15 13:26:41 Wonka: gps works well on the FSO in fact it is the best performing image for GPS on the Freerunner in my experience Aug 15 13:26:54 not too different wonka thats why i still use agpsui Aug 15 13:27:02 Wonka: it gets done via DBUS I think, the app asks for the GPS and gets it Aug 15 13:27:29 kd8ikt: and where do I find agpsui for FSO? Aug 15 13:27:33 the whole idea of the resource management is that you NOT tinker manually Aug 15 13:27:41 because apps will do it automagically Aug 15 13:27:46 my point. Aug 15 13:27:54 in zhone it just powers up and works when it is needed as far as I can see, the same with tangogps it is lovely :) Aug 15 13:27:56 does FSO use gpsd still? Aug 15 13:27:57 Wonka: i have it on my host Aug 15 13:28:10 or you could build it yourself vi projects.openmoko Aug 15 13:28:26 kd8ikt: nothing against you, but i'd rather download it from where the rest also comes from Aug 15 13:28:31 http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/ Aug 15 13:28:47 well to my knowledge that is the only ipk of it Aug 15 13:28:47 mickeyl: i did click that "GPS & Map" icon, got tangogps. and it told me "no GPS". Aug 15 13:28:51 or specifically will an app built with libgps work on FSO? Aug 15 13:28:57 kd8ikt, one last thing i also encountered with OE, know why i get "No package 'libebook-1.2' found" ? Aug 15 13:29:05 does fine it with 'locate' Aug 15 13:29:09 find* Aug 15 13:29:15 http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/openmoko-agpsui/ Aug 15 13:29:17 "no GPS found" Aug 15 13:29:44 i guess can still install gpsd Aug 15 13:29:45 cause gpsd isnt running nor installedf Aug 15 13:29:47 zedstar_: we have an own gps daemon. there was nothing available that talks U-Bloxc Aug 15 13:30:10 when I install an image providing tangogps, I expect it to have everything I need to power up the gps device, initialize it, and so on. not so unreasonable, nor? Aug 15 13:30:28 mickeyl couldnt u just added to gpsd the new protocol? Aug 15 13:30:52 iff there's no gpsd, then the provided tangogps should be a variant that talks to whatever there is. Aug 15 13:31:00 otherwise it's just useless. Aug 15 13:31:04 u mean to interface with the FSO dbus? Aug 15 13:31:28 feel free to start hacking it it shouldnt be too tough Aug 15 13:31:31 if that's the way to get GPS data, yes Aug 15 13:31:51 now i will go back to cleaning my room bbl Aug 15 13:32:05 er... i think we're talking around each other. Aug 15 13:32:24 why is tangogps even in this image, if there's no way it would work? Aug 15 13:32:40 zedstar_: we could probably have, but deadlines forces to first get results done and then think about upstream. besides, gypsy seems to be the future Aug 15 13:32:53 it's "tangogps-fso", 0.9.2-r0 Aug 15 13:33:26 so I even more expect there to be a way to get GPS data from this image alone Aug 15 13:33:46 mickeyl i had a go at gypsy on a desktop machine yesterday and gave up as i could get coordinates from libgps in about 3 lines of code Aug 15 13:34:20 zedstar_: sure. use what pleases you. the libgps dbus interface is incredibly liimited though Aug 15 13:34:47 and we are kind of commited to use dbus as the services layer API Aug 15 13:35:09 ok. so i powered up the device manually. Aug 15 13:35:41 mickeyl ok u the best person to answer this....why would i need to use a dbus interface from a C client app if there is a library api and it is more straight forward than dbus from C Aug 15 13:36:08 zedstar_: people on #openmoko-cdevel are working on a fso library Aug 15 13:36:20 using dbus from C is painful, i know Aug 15 13:36:24 and i can see NMEA on /dev/ttySAC1 Aug 15 13:36:25 but that's a problem of C, not a problem of dbus Aug 15 13:36:38 even with the glib bindings it is much more work than the traditional library api's Aug 15 13:36:40 i won't compromise on API just because of incapable bindings or languages Aug 15 13:36:49 i recommend Vala or Python Aug 15 13:36:53 or Qt Aug 15 13:37:00 sure but i can see the real benefits of doing a dbus daemon Aug 15 13:37:24 and when I start tangogps, I get: Aug 15 13:37:25 ** (tangogps:1870): WARNING **: Cannot get position: The name org.freedesktop.Gypsy was not provided by any .service files Aug 15 13:37:26 just from a client C app i dont Aug 15 13:37:28 ** (tangogps:1870): WARNING **: Cannot get accuracy: The name org.freedesktop.Gypsy was not provided by any .service files Aug 15 13:38:11 well, what use is a dbus daemon if there are no clients calling it? :) Aug 15 13:38:37 mickeyl: there is the default installed tangogps-fso, which tried to call it. Aug 15 13:38:40 well the benefit of the dbus daemon is allowing any language to use it Aug 15 13:38:53 # opkg list | grep gypsy Aug 15 13:38:53 Wonka: please ask alphaone, he's the gps expert Aug 15 13:38:53 libgypsy0 - 0.0+svnr134-1 - Aug 15 13:39:02 he also did tangogps-fso Aug 15 13:39:22 zedstar_: exactly. but that means your clients need to speak dbus then Aug 15 13:39:26 (no matter the language) Aug 15 13:39:30 alphaone: you awake? Aug 15 13:39:45 C as the language for UI apps is disputable anyways... Aug 15 13:39:51 mickeyl sure but a lot of projects still provide library api also like libnotify for example Aug 15 13:39:53 and i agree w/ you about using dbus from C Aug 15 13:40:05 that's right. #openmoko-cdevel guys are doing that Aug 15 13:40:11 i will not do that. i have a small team Aug 15 13:40:21 and we're busy enough with doing the server side Aug 15 13:40:35 and if you use nice languages, it's simple Aug 15 13:40:41 and you don't need a wrapper library Aug 15 13:40:43 *shrug* Aug 15 13:40:45 ok sure i was just curious...i wrote a dbus daemon also so im in same boat Aug 15 13:40:51 Hello Aug 15 13:41:05 * mickeyl coffee refill Aug 15 13:41:07 How can I access the root partition when booting from the SD card? Aug 15 13:42:59 i may be radical about that but... Aug 15 13:43:02 see the world is turning Aug 15 13:43:09 systems are getting incredibly more complex Aug 15 13:43:16 what was good enough for us 20 years ago is _NOT_ good enough for us now Aug 15 13:43:21 as we have to deal with increased complexity Aug 15 13:43:27 if you don't catch up with your tools, you lose Aug 15 13:43:37 and I'm refering to programming languages as part of those tools Aug 15 13:44:10 i doing everything via dbus also now but my approach on client is if there is a library api i use that instead of dbus Aug 15 13:44:29 sure. go with a library, in C you need one or you go crazy Aug 15 13:47:26 errrrr. should frameworkd not run if i did not stop it? Aug 15 13:49:14 ya, it should Aug 15 13:49:37 hi, i'm trying to compile linux-openmoko-devel kernel Aug 15 13:49:41 t didn't. Aug 15 13:50:18 it continue use "124120ae0694d03347ab3ac3430cc0255f628ac7" git tree, while this doesn't exist Aug 15 13:50:53 i don't know why it always use this version Aug 15 13:51:50 you're using the OM tree? Aug 15 13:52:12 mickeyl, yes, and i'm try to build andy's branch Aug 15 13:52:20 hmm, no idea 'bout that one. I'm afraid for people who are doing serious development, I'd rather recommend org.oe.dev Aug 15 13:52:29 you can change the version it uses by editing sane-srcrevs.inc Aug 15 13:53:19 mickeyl, thx, got that Aug 15 13:54:14 "checking for EBOOK... configure: error: Package requirements (libebook-1.2) were not met" -- any quick fix ? Aug 15 13:54:24 Hi, all ! My FR is arrived. Very nice. Aug 15 13:54:41 mickeyl, i'm try spi-dma driver, seems it's not include in git tree Aug 15 13:57:47 oops just made E crap itself and die Aug 15 14:00:32 Yust a question: I have installed the mediaplayer that is mentioned in the getting started description. What playlists can I configure to ise streaming internet radio ? Aug 15 14:02:39 lothar: are you sure that you can do streaming radio with that player? Aug 15 14:04:13 I have at least setup my wireless network. So it is at least possible to use it a my home as a media player. And simply just to know it working :-) Aug 15 14:08:02 openmoko: 03werner * r4596 10/developers/werner/bin/ (comm4 kern4 lab4 makek uboot4): Aug 15 14:08:06 openmoko: Some minor updates of my "productivity" scripts. Aug 15 14:08:08 openmoko: - makek: helper script to build the kernel Aug 15 14:08:10 openmoko: - comm4: use "new" script to fetch new mails Aug 15 14:08:14 openmoko: - comm4: run IRC locally Aug 15 14:08:16 openmoko: - lab4, kern4, uboot4: updated for new directory structure Aug 15 14:10:04 hi, does anyone know if there is the equiv package of build-essentials for the freerunner? Aug 15 14:10:59 opkg install do-you-realy-want-to-compile-stuff-on-400mhz-arm? Aug 15 14:11:20 bah, iduno Aug 15 14:11:23 ;D Aug 15 14:11:27 zash: heh, well it is only a little app and I can't be arsed to cross compile Aug 15 14:12:50 should be compilers and stuff, duno about metapackages Aug 15 14:13:02 well what if you were on a desert island with your phone and needed to compile a simple app to save your life? Aug 15 14:13:12 heh Aug 15 14:13:40 * zash would probably just write a shell script Aug 15 14:13:43 also you could use a fat SDcard to install ... damn near everything in the repo's Aug 15 14:14:19 with corisponding env changes ... no prob Aug 15 14:14:47 kd8ikt: have you had any joy running lint-wifi on the fso ? Aug 15 14:14:58 then again by the time you finished writing your save-your-deserted-ass.c the battery would be dead Aug 15 14:15:08 oh yeah lint wifi runs great for me Aug 15 14:15:13 onm fso Aug 15 14:15:26 did you use the standard package? Aug 15 14:15:34 my pkg you mean? Aug 15 14:15:54 the one from the projects.om Aug 15 14:15:59 tahts the one i use Aug 15 14:16:11 right will give it another shot then :) thanks :) Aug 15 14:17:07 but i compiled it myself and made a pkgz from it... bear in mind it needs python-gtk + a working /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpas_supplicant.conf Aug 15 14:17:54 * rwhitby fixes TangoGPS on fso on gta01 ... Aug 15 14:18:33 his lil front end to wpa_suplicant is great (wpa_lint) makes scripting wpa_supplicant fun/easy Aug 15 14:18:41 kd8ikt: ah, is there any reason why the package from one of the other feeds would not work? Aug 15 14:18:50 its in a feed? Aug 15 14:19:11 hang on, I got it from somewhere.... Aug 15 14:19:20 my guess would be the lack of one of the two aformentioned things Aug 15 14:19:33 I had it running last time but not working, I will keep digging Aug 15 14:19:35 pygtk or wpa_supplicant.conf Aug 15 14:19:54 other then that it should be fine Aug 15 14:20:00 had pygtk in so probably needed to do the wpa_supplicant Aug 15 14:20:23 yeah i fixed that in my pkg i added a default conf for wpa Aug 15 14:20:55 biab Aug 15 14:21:06 ? Aug 15 14:21:22 wifi on the edge of forever Aug 15 14:22:14 -startrek reference Aug 15 14:25:54 oh Tig| be sure to run it via cmdline to get the debug output Aug 15 14:26:15 then later you can edit the lint-wifi.py to DEBUG=FALSE Aug 15 14:26:49 i can't find gpsd-conf built for gta02 Aug 15 14:26:57 anyone know where I could find it? Aug 15 14:29:08 break-free: just change the device in /etc/default/gpsd to /dev/SAC1 Aug 15 14:29:36 peter__b: thanks Aug 15 14:29:46 np Aug 15 14:32:42 peter__b: should I restart after I change the device? Aug 15 14:36:14 rwhitby :) Aug 15 14:37:44 \o/ Aug 15 14:38:17 how's it hanging Aug 15 14:43:06 Zorkman :P Aug 15 14:43:52 anyone knows a few interesting rss feeds? Aug 15 14:45:46 phrozen77, the planet? Aug 15 14:46:51 Sup3rkiddo, got an url? Aug 15 14:47:06 phrozen77, planet.openmoko.org Aug 15 14:48:29 how can I make the daily build not suspend while connected to usb? Aug 15 14:48:36 like automatically... Aug 15 14:48:48 setttings --> suspend --> off Aug 15 14:49:23 Zorkman -> Settings -> MEER Aug 15 14:49:36 :) Aug 15 14:50:06 anything new today dave? Aug 15 14:50:41 Zorkman: That makes it not suspend when I unplug the usb as well, doesn't it? Aug 15 14:52:05 \0/ 2007.2 flashed and upgraded and usb is working again Aug 15 14:53:02 indeed confidential1 Aug 15 14:53:09 so I installed GPSD and changed /etc/default/gpsd to have /dev/SAC1 in it, but tangoGPS still says "no GPS" Aug 15 14:53:21 ttySAC1 Aug 15 14:53:37 oh, so /dev/ttySAC1 Aug 15 14:53:59 thanks Aug 15 14:54:24 need to power on the gps as well of course Aug 15 14:56:25 XorA: do i have to do that CLI style or just in the settings Aug 15 15:00:13 how do I get the qtopia image viewer in the daily builds? Aug 15 15:05:06 or how do I fix the bugs where some gtk apps don't refresh properly...? Aug 15 15:08:05 wait, why are there no more daily builds after the 13. ? Aug 15 15:08:28 confidential1: the daily builds weren't asu Aug 15 15:11:04 I know that, but are there updates for 2008.8 yet then? Aug 15 15:12:50 confidential1: yes, there was a mail about it Aug 15 15:13:45 confidential1: http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/ contains the dev feeds and http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing the testing ones Aug 15 15:18:44 \o/ Aug 15 15:28:12 Zorkman, nah, not much of anything new Aug 15 15:28:20 still trying to get my python apps going Aug 15 15:28:24 other than that, blah Aug 15 15:28:36 oh and my freerunner audio stopped working :( Aug 15 15:31:02 kd8, still no luck with wifi switching? :| Aug 15 15:36:18 anyone with a link to wiki or a solution for eco when calling? Aug 15 15:47:17 so how would an application that sends location to an email Aug 15 15:47:32 proly already are 1 Aug 15 15:54:40 okay... converted ubxgen.pl to .py Aug 15 15:56:22 Hi again. Anbody here has experience with navit on FreeRunner ? Aug 15 16:07:57 LOTHAR/ I HAVE Aug 15 16:08:02 sorry for shouting :) Aug 15 16:08:32 Aug 15 16:08:57 dude i've been cleaning my room for like 10hrs+ and still not finished Aug 15 16:08:59 i agree kd8ikt Aug 15 16:09:14 Kd8 must live in a garage Aug 15 16:09:19 basement Aug 15 16:09:24 golden tip kd8ikt: gasoline and a match Aug 15 16:09:45 maybe i'll throw up a vid feed later so you can see the result Aug 15 16:09:56 please do Aug 15 16:10:28 i wanna see what it looked like before so i can tell your mom Aug 15 16:10:46 that u are slow Aug 15 16:10:56 :) Aug 15 16:11:07 :D Aug 15 16:13:22 * kd8ikt turns on his nintendo sound files (*.NSF) 1st contra.NSF track4 (snowfield) then goes back to work Aug 15 16:13:48 ocremix is cool too Aug 15 16:15:13 Zorkman: I have installed navit on my new FreRunner and also installed the required speech packages and the speech dispatcher. But when I use my map, created with navit on my Linux Box, navit crashes on my FR. On My Mac (Debian Etch) it will work. Any ideas ? Aug 15 16:15:20 so's your mom :P Aug 15 16:15:24 wait, no, not really Aug 15 16:15:29 you said she was a total bitch :| Aug 15 16:15:46 lothar: none Aug 15 16:15:47 sorry :) Aug 15 16:15:50 kd8, if oc had a stream it would be worthwhile Aug 15 16:16:15 hi Aug 15 16:16:22 I just got my freerunner \o/ Aug 15 16:16:39 Anybody else ? Aug 15 16:16:42 congratz Deubeuliou Aug 15 16:16:47 and I'm going to put Om 2008.8 on the SD card Aug 15 16:16:57 I read "WARNING: Booting from SDHC may cause problems at this time. " on the wiki page Aug 15 16:17:10 is it a concern for the freerunner or just Neo1873 ? Aug 15 16:17:41 thanks Zorkman. I'm happy :) Aug 15 16:18:12 Deubeuliou: it is sharmless for both, only problem is that sometimes your sd card can get corrypted Aug 15 16:18:15 *corrupted Aug 15 16:18:32 but it only happened once for me (with the 2008.8 :P) Aug 15 16:18:55 make sure you flash u-boot to the latest version, and use fat for kernel and ext2 for rootfs Aug 15 16:19:21 gonna go eat Aug 15 16:21:02 ok ZorkEatZork, thanks :) Aug 15 16:28:05 hmm, how can i enter numbers when it asks for my sim-pin? (om2008.8 only shows a qwerty keyboard) Aug 15 16:28:21 !topic Aug 15 16:28:34 Keynumber for 2008.8 : finger slide up on the keyboard Aug 15 16:33:05 What is best to choose if I want to have a (quite) usable working phone but still easy to hack ? Om 2008.8 or Qtopia ? Aug 15 16:37:50 \o/ Aug 15 16:37:54 ZorkmanLab Aug 15 16:38:56 2008.8 Aug 15 16:39:57 linuxxr-2008.8 Aug 15 16:40:37 ronny, you around? :) Aug 15 16:41:49 oh man, hald and om-today exploded again. Aug 15 16:41:56 vonderful. Aug 15 16:43:44 anyone know if I can download a specific area's maps into tangoGPS? I can't get it to connect to the internet but I want to put maps on there for a camping trip Aug 15 16:46:41 DaveLab: yeah Aug 15 16:46:50 Hooray Aug 15 16:47:00 Just wondering if I could pick your brain for a few minutes :) Aug 15 16:47:22 I was trying to figure out the best way to send a file over socket, just open and dump to stream? Aug 15 16:48:19 pickling, maybe? Aug 15 16:48:41 depends Aug 15 16:48:43 how large? Aug 15 16:49:30 anyone know what type of files tangoGPS reads for the maps? PNG? Aug 15 16:51:35 well at least that it certainly seems... Aug 15 16:52:14 as osm maps are in png Aug 15 16:52:18 break-free: eet Aug 15 16:55:02 Rorshach, eet? The openstreetmaps doens't even export in eet Aug 15 16:55:25 is there a way I can get maps onto the phoen without being connected to the internet? Aug 15 16:56:17 Deubeuliou, if you want an usable phone keep 2007.2 and upgrade it (beware of the usb bug, read getting started) and you can multiboot with microSD to try other OSes Aug 15 16:56:29 you can copy the tiles whereever you've configured tango to look for them, in the OSM (/Google maps, I believe) naming scheme Aug 15 16:57:05 mjr, do they have to be in the specific eet format? Aug 15 16:57:46 cga, that's what I am doing right now: putting 2008.8 on the SD card Aug 15 16:57:52 thanks Aug 15 16:57:59 cool && np Aug 15 16:58:18 eet? Aug 15 16:59:09 ronny, uhh, an image file... so could be relatively large Aug 15 16:59:17 Roschach said something about eet Aug 15 16:59:17 but generally only going to be a few kilobytes Aug 15 16:59:44 mjr, so can I export from openstreetmaps.org in PNG? Aug 15 16:59:47 I don't know why he said that Aug 15 16:59:50 yeah Aug 15 16:59:59 ok, and where can I find the naming scheme Aug 15 17:00:10 DaveLab: then pickle aint very good for that Aug 15 17:00:24 :| Aug 15 17:00:35 DaveLab: what exactly is the intend of the app you write Aug 15 17:00:38 cpickles more for simple datastorage? Aug 15 17:00:44 break-free, same pathname scheme as OSM uses for the image urls' ends, I think it's documented in the osm wiki Aug 15 17:00:53 break-free: a simple alternative would be to install openstreetmap on a machine connected to the internet and download the maps you want then copy the images back over to the freerunner :) Aug 15 17:00:54 it might make sense just to use paramiko + scp Aug 15 17:00:55 ronny, the client app just sends data + image(s) to server Aug 15 17:01:02 o.O Aug 15 17:01:11 zoom/x/y.png or y/x.png or something Aug 15 17:01:11 DaveLab: what kind of data to what kind server ? Aug 15 17:01:16 heh Aug 15 17:01:19 Tig| good idea Aug 15 17:01:29 break-free: I meant install tangogps obv. :) Aug 15 17:01:30 data from the phone, i.e. power/gps/status Aug 15 17:01:48 the server is going to be another WONDERFUL python app I write, which will integrate with a sql backend Aug 15 17:01:54 where it will be stored (hopefully) Aug 15 17:01:59 * DaveLab waves to Joerg Aug 15 17:02:09 OpenMoko should have some fast boot mode so that you just can charge the phone in... Aug 15 17:02:13 power/gps/status sounds like something for dbus over lan Aug 15 17:02:29 eh? Aug 15 17:02:43 I have zero familiarity, unfortunately, with the specific apis for the phone :[ Aug 15 17:02:43 Zorkman: I have it - at least with the orginal germany map from the navit download page. The difference may be the size of the file. Aug 15 17:02:50 at least the python ones :D Aug 15 17:03:14 s/so that you just/that you Aug 15 17:03:18 ronny, keep in mind it's not going to be that much data, as this will be transmitted wirelessly. Aug 15 17:03:19 DaveLab: dbus is the general message bus used in gtk/hal/other things for phones and linux computers Aug 15 17:03:30 DaveLab: wlan or bluetooth? Aug 15 17:03:36 wireless Aug 15 17:03:45 yeah, wifi Aug 15 17:03:52 :) Aug 15 17:04:37 im confused about the indent of the app Aug 15 17:04:52 intent? Aug 15 17:05:05 eh indent Aug 15 17:05:12 o_O Aug 15 17:05:12 ie what its supposed to do Aug 15 17:05:16 right, intent Aug 15 17:05:29 ronny, mind if I pm? Aug 15 17:05:37 go ahead Aug 15 17:05:42 thanks :) Aug 15 17:06:43 how can i start the pin dialog in 2008.8 manually? i had the feeling that it worked well for a while, but know ... Aug 15 17:07:58 okay, restarting the xserver should do the job Aug 15 17:08:31 :) Aug 15 17:09:52 malik1972: restarting qpe is enough Aug 15 17:10:04 Tig| i hit "download maps", does it save those maps in the cache directory? Aug 15 17:10:33 break-free: yes, you should be able to see where in the config panel in tangogps Aug 15 17:10:46 then just copy those files over in theory :) Aug 15 17:11:28 rorschach: do you also have gsm registering problems? Aug 15 17:12:02 malik1972: yes sometimes but sometimes it just works Aug 15 17:12:08 hi all Aug 15 17:16:14 is there a way I can see by SSH how much memory is available on my card? Aug 15 17:16:37 sd card? Aug 15 17:16:48 break-free: if its mounted 'df -h' Aug 15 17:17:03 yeah, df -h /media/card Aug 15 17:18:42 Zilla! Aug 15 17:18:49 Yes? Aug 15 17:18:57 Hoi :] Aug 15 17:19:02 Hallo Aug 15 17:19:05 ook NL:P Aug 15 17:19:46 ja spreek Nederlands, maar ik ben overloper :p Aug 15 17:19:55 hoezoo? Aug 15 17:19:59 je hebt een iphone gehaald? Aug 15 17:20:06 nee :| Aug 15 17:20:32 of je bent een migrant? Aug 15 17:21:15 ja :p Aug 15 17:25:00 woo working debian on freerunner Aug 15 17:25:03 screw openembedded Aug 15 17:25:13 :D Aug 15 17:25:18 * DaveLab high-fives unknown_lamer Aug 15 17:25:33 DaveLab, you have a FR right? Aug 15 17:25:35 now I can just file a bug report on the ffcall package to get it running on ARM and then -- clisp with an ffi WITHOUT ANY EFFORT Aug 15 17:25:47 god I've been wanting to kill bitbake for months trying to package this and still cross compile Aug 15 17:25:48 Zilla, yes :D Aug 15 17:26:08 and woo common-lisp-controller and all of the niceties of a real distro Aug 15 17:26:08 and use it as your primary phone? Aug 15 17:26:12 nonono :P Aug 15 17:26:21 just for fun:)\ Aug 15 17:26:24 ja :] Aug 15 17:26:46 it is fun, soms :P Aug 15 17:27:04 jah... maar 320 euri... voor een is wel eens leuk product.... Aug 15 17:27:07 damn... Aug 15 17:27:08 unknown_lamer u still trying to get clisp running!!!! Aug 15 17:29:09 zedstar: it runs fine but ... packaging issues Aug 15 17:29:14 zilla, ja :x Aug 15 17:29:21 zedstar: clisp is more or less not cross compilable without a lot of manual handholding Aug 15 17:29:30 * Zilla vind dat gewoon te duur... Aug 15 17:29:35 srry for the dutch Aug 15 17:29:38 zedstar: and bitbake is a pita and I have other things to do (like ... making money) Aug 15 17:30:13 zedstar: so it's one of those stab at it for a couple of hours every weekend and decide that I need some whiskey lest I find whoever wrote bitbake and stab him in the face Aug 15 17:30:44 unknown_lamer i recommend the alcohol approach Aug 15 17:30:49 zilla, het spijt me! Aug 15 17:31:01 unknown_lamer: please report all the bugs you hit with debian Aug 15 17:31:03 * DaveLab ben dwaaaaaaaaaaaaaas :D Aug 15 17:31:03 wha Aug 15 17:31:05 lol Aug 15 17:31:13 lindi-: naturally Aug 15 17:31:13 ^_^ Aug 15 17:31:31 now just to get a freerunner ... I want me a GSM900 but don't want to pay whatever it costs to get it from canada Aug 15 17:31:50 / my client is on vacation and has been for three weeks and I need toget paaaaaiiidd Aug 15 17:32:30 I'll be the perfect bug finder/fixer ... my current phone is more or less dead so as soon as I get my freerunner ... primary phone time without any backup Aug 15 17:32:38 it seems that will make my life more exciting Aug 15 17:33:20 Freerunner \o/ Aug 15 17:34:02 i shud probably get a freerunner at some point Aug 15 17:34:18 Zilla, er zijn hier veel Nederlanders :D Aug 15 17:34:22 does someone knows an keyboard shortcut in xchat for changing channels? Aug 15 17:34:22 like ctrl-tab in Firefox for changing tab Aug 15 17:34:34 owjah Aug 15 17:34:43 Zilla, Ctrl + PgUp/Dn ? Aug 15 17:34:49 Zilla: C-PGUP/PGDN are bound that by default Aug 15 17:34:51 en dat terwijl openmoko een amerikaans initiatief is Aug 15 17:34:57 tnx Aug 15 17:34:58 jjeje Aug 15 17:35:02 i didnt knew that Aug 15 17:35:04 :P Aug 15 17:35:15 ctrl pgup/down works Aug 15 17:35:16 :D Aug 15 17:35:21 erg snugger :P Aug 15 17:35:33 zou je denken Aug 15 17:35:37 :D Aug 15 17:35:58 anyone tried boa on his neo ? Aug 15 17:36:18 * Zilla would tried it if he had one :| Aug 15 17:36:36 jaja Aug 15 17:36:38 there is always qemu Aug 15 17:36:42 * DaveLab ben een mazzelpik :D Aug 15 17:36:46 ;) Aug 15 17:37:01 kd8ikt - no :P Aug 15 17:37:02 davelab.... did you get one for free or zo? Aug 15 17:37:12 free :P Aug 15 17:37:18 btw what is boa? Aug 15 17:37:26 how did you get one for free? Aug 15 17:37:52 een slang! Aug 15 17:37:57 boa :P~ Aug 15 17:37:58 *hiss* Aug 15 17:38:32 boa is a webserver Aug 15 17:38:36 oh Aug 15 17:38:38 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-April/004820.html this Aug 15 17:38:38 :x Aug 15 17:38:41 google ftw :) Aug 15 17:38:42 or a big snake! Aug 15 17:38:52 like python :P Aug 15 17:39:06 * zedstar is seriously bored now waiting for this bitbake build to complete and might start drinking instead Aug 15 17:39:19 zedstar: Cheers to that ;) Aug 15 17:39:30 cheers :) Aug 15 17:39:34 may take a while :-) Aug 15 17:39:56 zedstar: http://beeroverip.org/ Aug 15 17:40:11 lol tig Aug 15 17:40:33 is there a beer donation service online? Aug 15 17:40:35 thats a good one :) Aug 15 17:40:39 good business idea that Aug 15 17:40:42 mmmm beer.... actually I might have to..... Aug 15 17:40:48 * Tig| dashes off Aug 15 17:41:19 why the hell did they use ayinger ? Aug 15 17:41:26 ayinger beer sucks Aug 15 17:41:54 he defenately doesnt live in NL Aug 15 17:42:10 peter__b: no idea, I suspect it was the first CC photo that he found with a slogan on it :) Aug 15 17:42:19 I thought I read something about a wrong resistor that contributes to the abysmal battery life of the GTA01. Aug 15 17:42:42 Zilla: it was done by Bruno off #lugradio (and teh internets) and he is basically French :) Aug 15 17:42:56 now i get it Aug 15 17:42:58 :) Aug 15 17:43:03 wie? Aug 15 17:43:20 ayinger beer is bavarian Aug 15 17:43:23 zedstar, hahaha, a beer donation service online? Aug 15 17:43:24 :P Aug 15 17:43:31 but if hes french then he might prefer a good glass of whine Aug 15 17:43:33 ;) Aug 15 17:43:37 yeh dont steal my business idea dave :) Aug 15 17:43:38 bah Aug 15 17:43:43 zedstar :P Aug 15 17:44:05 bear donation allready exist Aug 15 17:44:10 dam Aug 15 17:44:18 stupid frans Aug 15 17:44:26 ze frans iz stoopiiid Aug 15 17:44:27 :p Aug 15 17:44:34 french isnt my favourite language;) Aug 15 17:44:49 a bear donation? Aug 15 17:45:04 I help run a beer festival and we were looking at beer donations over the internet one year but never got around to implementing it :( Aug 15 17:45:07 the right to grizzly bear arms Aug 15 17:45:13 yeh imagine a bear turning up instead Aug 15 17:45:45 mijn haat... stijgingen Aug 15 17:45:48 >:o Aug 15 17:46:02 noooooooooooooo... leinir! Aug 15 17:46:30 * DaveLab por leinir Aug 15 17:47:54 the network here at the hostel is... shall we just say a little dodgy ;) Aug 15 17:47:59 o_o Aug 15 17:48:02 hostel? Aug 15 17:48:04 hello all! Aug 15 17:48:09 oh, so THAT'S where you work... Aug 15 17:48:11 hostel? wait til the steal your laptop then ;) Aug 15 17:48:35 I knew you worked in that type of business leinir... ¬_¬ Aug 15 17:48:40 hmm, my phone doesnt ask for a pin-code anymore Aug 15 17:48:47 is this a config setting? Aug 15 17:48:49 anybody having luck with triple-boot on FR? Aug 15 17:49:01 Infoport, is anyone even daring to attempt it, other than you? Aug 15 17:49:03 * kd8ikt did at one time but i dont anylonger Aug 15 17:49:36 whats wrong Infoport ? having trouble adding a uboot menu item? Aug 15 17:50:00 Hi evryone Aug 15 17:50:07 Dave: I would like to not duplicate data to test the 3rd system, and so I am trying to put it on the same card Aug 15 17:50:18 Finaly i joined the freedom network with my freerunner got today Aug 15 17:50:28 infoport, too bad you don't have more :P Aug 15 17:50:42 kd8ikt: I added a uBoot item, but it doesnt seem to want to look at the specified uImage3,bin Aug 15 17:51:06 * kd8ikt used only one kernel for both partitions Aug 15 17:51:26 Dave: we'll I actually have another 2G card right here, but giving up and using another card was last resort Aug 15 17:51:54 Infoport :| Aug 15 17:51:56 where i can change the choice of application icons in 2008.8? Aug 15 17:52:05 You don't like them? :( Aug 15 17:52:15 Did anyone got navit working on 2007.2 ?? Aug 15 17:53:02 davelab: no, one icon is missing for agpsui Aug 15 17:53:16 yeah there is none Aug 15 17:53:24 [that I know of] Aug 15 17:53:29 my 2GB SD card Fails if i try anything on the space over 1GB Aug 15 17:53:48 /o\ Aug 15 17:53:53 LEINIR Aug 15 17:53:55 maybe cause its just regular SD not SDHC Aug 15 17:54:06 Perhaps it requires additional coolness Aug 15 17:54:33 are here people who are running linux instead of windows.... Aug 15 17:54:40 it needs something personalised Aug 15 17:54:43 Zilla: almost everyone here is. Aug 15 17:54:54 Hey cjb :) Aug 15 17:54:57 kd8ikt: since I have to specify the kernel, would the entry have something like /dev/mmcblk0p3/boot/uImage3.bin or would I call it /boot/uImage3.bin (like it would be once mounted?) Aug 15 17:54:58 windows is forbidden Aug 15 17:55:41 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card#Add_uboot_boot_entry Aug 15 17:55:58 hmm, i knew exaclty one person trying to moko on win32, now hes on linux, too Aug 15 17:56:02 uImage3? o.O Aug 15 17:56:15 Zorkmann Aug 15 17:56:30 * Zorkman is operating against the law with his windows :p Aug 15 17:56:33 Zilla, you running windows? Aug 15 17:56:37 ZOrkman, YES Aug 15 17:56:37 yes Aug 15 17:56:43 We were just talking about you >:) Aug 15 17:56:47 Zilla, meet ZOrkman :D Aug 15 17:56:47 I am getting those message installing navit with opkg : Aug 15 17:56:49 Multiple packages (navit-dev and navit-dev) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Aug 15 17:56:53 Dave: give me solidworks for linux and i'll reboot :p Aug 15 17:56:56 wha Aug 15 17:56:56 I have a box in the closet with Win95...it is handy when cable-internet says they "dont support Linux" --then I threaten to bring it out and set it by the phone to reassure them Aug 15 17:57:01 meer NEderlands! \o/ Aug 15 17:57:08 Zorkman :P Aug 15 17:57:10 Installing navit-dev (0.0.4-r0) to root... Aug 15 17:57:10 Collected errors: Aug 15 17:57:10 * Package navit-dev md5sum mismatch. Either the opkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'opkg update'. Aug 15 17:57:11 nee :p Aug 15 17:57:34 ah, zilla is a dutchmen Aug 15 17:57:39 rut roh Aug 15 17:57:39 know why nobody "supports" linux Aug 15 17:57:48 ja ja :D Aug 15 17:57:54 because they dont know how anything really works to begin with Aug 15 17:58:03 kd8, well, aren't we bold. Aug 15 17:58:14 its fucking true Aug 15 17:58:14 kd8ikt I have that page up, and added and entry, but it still seems to want to look wrong place Aug 15 17:58:21 You're always right! Aug 15 17:58:32 Infoport :x Aug 15 17:58:37 Did you reboot? Aug 15 17:58:41 did you fix your boot? Aug 15 17:58:43 Well, it's official. I've gone back to the last pre-2008.08 image. 2008.08 just needs more work before I'll try it again. Aug 15 17:58:59 Yay Aug 15 17:59:07 Another one sees the light. Aug 15 17:59:12 here's my entry setenv menu_3 Boot from microSD part3 (ext2): setenv bootargs \${bootargs_base} rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p3 rootdelay=5 \${mtdparts} ro\; mmcinit\; ext2load mmc 1 0x32000000 /dev/mmcblk0p3/boot/uImage3.bin\; bootm 0x32000000 Aug 15 17:59:22 HI zorkman Aug 15 17:59:23 Basic calling functionality didn't work for me, so I ended up carrying a crappy alternate phone with me. Aug 15 17:59:24 no Infoport Aug 15 17:59:34 just uIboot.bin Aug 15 18:00:08 unless you have it in $PARTITIONROOT/boot/uImage.bin Aug 15 18:00:16 llo Zilla, welcome to the FR community, although i think i have seen your nick before Aug 15 18:00:23 in wich case it would be /boot/Uimage Aug 15 18:00:29 2008.08 wouldn't even opkg update successfully. Aug 15 18:00:32 you sure did Aug 15 18:00:44 gargoyle_grin: you need to set the feeds in 2008.8 to opkg Aug 15 18:00:46 2-3 weeks ago i think Aug 15 18:01:17 you have a freerunner now? Aug 15 18:01:18 kd8ikt yes, that was the attempt-- OM2007 on phone, 2008.8 on mmcblk0p1 and 0p2 (rootfs) and then qtopia on 0p3 (both kernel and rootfs) Aug 15 18:01:56 My issues were network issues. The wifi connection would die after a couple of minutes, leaving me with a half-downloaded packages file. Aug 15 18:02:03 one kernel to rule them all Aug 15 18:02:04 And, yes. I have a gta02. Aug 15 18:02:14 kd8ikt or will I have to put all of my kernels on the first partition (I updated uBoot, and thought that was supported) Aug 15 18:02:30 kd8ikt: is SMS working for you on FSO milestone2? Aug 15 18:02:37 dont think so Aug 15 18:02:45 it's working here but not with notifications Aug 15 18:02:48 then again i hardly use my phone and nobody calls me Aug 15 18:02:49 they're unimplemented Aug 15 18:02:50 Infoport: if you want to load the kernel from partition 3 then you need to do "ext2load mmc 1:3 0x32000000 /boot/uImage.bin" Aug 15 18:02:52 or were a couple of days ago Aug 15 18:02:58 Hello Montour Aug 15 18:03:03 hmm Aug 15 18:03:12 I Aug 15 18:03:14 See, I remembered Zilla :D Aug 15 18:03:28 i dont remember you :( Aug 15 18:03:38 mmontour hi! thanks, I will go try that! (I did read the How It Works...it just didnt enlighten me enough) Aug 15 18:03:42 I'll try 2008.08.* from time to time and see how usable it is. Aug 15 18:05:09 does tangoGPS download maps to the cache directory when you hit "download"? Aug 15 18:05:37 jup, but you can change the directory Aug 15 18:05:48 (when it is in /tmp you will lose the date when rebooting) Aug 15 18:06:08 is there an ETA on qtopia 4.4? Aug 15 18:06:34 Zorkman, I hit download +5 levels (approx. 100mb) but my /tmp/OSM directory is only 30mb Aug 15 18:06:43 i don't suppose anyone is aware of a way to sync qtopia with evolution Aug 15 18:06:46 Zorkman :p Aug 15 18:06:52 Don't harass lpotter about it. Aug 15 18:07:14 break-free: try zooming out or in and then selecting download, i think it always says the same amount Aug 15 18:07:22 ssweeny, are you trying to import contacts? Aug 15 18:07:24 i won't dave :) Aug 15 18:07:26 yeah Aug 15 18:07:28 :] Aug 15 18:07:58 break-free, no that works fine one-way Aug 15 18:08:09 i'm looking to sync appointments, to-do, etc Aug 15 18:08:14 not many new projects are being registered... :( Aug 15 18:08:18 Yes Aug 15 18:08:23 Are you disappointed Zorky? Aug 15 18:08:23 i'm wondering how that guy with speech recognition is doing Aug 15 18:08:28 yes I am Aug 15 18:08:30 I don't Aug 15 18:08:31 multisync looked promising but it doesn't seem to like this version of qtopia Aug 15 18:08:32 want to register a new one for me Aug 15 18:08:37 His project sounded questionable Aug 15 18:08:46 then again, so is all freerunner software at this point :D Aug 15 18:08:50 :) Aug 15 18:08:55 ssweeny, yeah I never could get appointments Aug 15 18:08:57 zorkman, any lines on new games? :) Aug 15 18:09:08 unfortunatly not :( Aug 15 18:09:23 register a new project for mp3 streaming (mplayer front end) Aug 15 18:09:31 * ssweeny considers hacking on conduit to make it work Aug 15 18:09:33 i'm still trying to figure out who said he could play supertux with TS Aug 15 18:09:34 icecast/shoutcast Aug 15 18:10:05 it doesn't work here :( Aug 15 18:10:08 well icecast because its gpl Aug 15 18:10:20 but it would be trivial to add shoutcast Aug 15 18:10:30 DaveLab: did find a way to play new games :) Aug 15 18:10:44 DaveLab: http://www.hpcalc.org/hp48/games/arcade/ Aug 15 18:10:52 hmm?? :) Aug 15 18:10:55 haha hpcalc.org Aug 15 18:11:02 sounds like a total ripoff of ticalc.org :D Aug 15 18:11:23 we have a working hp48 on our FR so we could play these games :p Aug 15 18:11:45 Has anyone else noticed that after suspend bluetooth doesnt seem to come back? Aug 15 18:11:46 oh, we do? Aug 15 18:11:48 gaming on a calculator.... how low can you go :| Aug 15 18:11:54 plus, have you tried gpe-snes yet? Aug 15 18:11:55 *on newer ASU builds Aug 15 18:12:01 when I saw snes9x in the repo, I laughed Aug 15 18:12:05 boy did that take me back Aug 15 18:12:14 DaveLab: https://projects.openmoko.org/projects/mokox48/ Aug 15 18:12:24 though last night I was trying to think, what good snes games were there that were playable without a controller Aug 15 18:12:24 my xbox has snes9x Aug 15 18:12:31 no, i havent, does it work? Aug 15 18:12:33 like that would work well with a touchscreen, just point and click Aug 15 18:12:36 Zorkman, wtf. I zoomed in and out and hit download +5 levels approx 100mb again and my OSM folder is now 2 mb bigger Aug 15 18:12:38 YES Aug 15 18:12:40 DaveLab: I suspect the fragmentation of the platform is hindering programmers at the moment as the OS is still in a state of flux, it is all very well saying code for DBUS and the FSO but then you will not have much of a userbase to help test with and contribute :( Similarly i suspect people are reluctant to code for the ASU as it looks like long term all the phone stack on there will be ripped out so there is little point talking to the current qtopia Aug 15 18:12:40 apps, similarly there is no point interfacing with the 2007.2 apps as they are now legacy :( Aug 15 18:12:45 O_O Aug 15 18:12:59 yeah Aug 15 18:13:04 it's all weird and all over the place Aug 15 18:13:05 and scary Aug 15 18:13:10 it reminds me of old people! :D Aug 15 18:13:15 * lpotter wonders how choice of toolkits could hinder development Aug 15 18:13:23 how do I add http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/armv4t/ to opkg? Aug 15 18:13:40 Tig|: rock on Aug 15 18:13:58 lpotter confusion for newcomers? Aug 15 18:14:07 here's a good question, how do you know what version of om you have on the phone? Aug 15 18:14:09 also all the really cool stuff will be from making all the parts of the phone talk to each other, sadly there is not yet a decision on how to store data :( Aug 15 18:14:22 2007.2/2008.8 is there an easily detectable method? Aug 15 18:14:33 if you are confused about toolkits you probably not a developer Aug 15 18:14:35 confidential1: create /etc/opkg/zecke.conf and then put Aug 15 18:14:40 src/gz zecke-all http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/all Aug 15 18:14:41 src/gz zecke-arm http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/armv4t Aug 15 18:14:41 src/gz zecke-i686 http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/i686 Aug 15 18:14:41 src/gz zecke-neo http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/neo1973 Aug 15 18:14:41 src/gz zecke-gta02 http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/om-gta02 Aug 15 18:14:55 Davelab /etc/version ? Aug 15 18:15:04 Zorkman: thanks:) Aug 15 18:15:19 hah Aug 15 18:15:24 Tig, yeah... maybe :) Aug 15 18:15:37 DaveLab: are you plaging snes games on the FR? Aug 15 18:15:43 well that will give what looks to be the rootfs image date Aug 15 18:15:44 Tig, but isn't that just the date of the flashinstall? Aug 15 18:15:47 right Aug 15 18:15:52 which isn't helpful Aug 15 18:16:08 well, it could have been upgraded or something :x Aug 15 18:16:13 plus that doesn't match what I want Aug 15 18:16:23 Zork, aren't you?> :D Aug 15 18:16:30 ree Aug 15 18:16:42 nope, didn't know it worked Aug 15 18:16:43 rut roh Aug 15 18:16:43 well in that case you need to version each component you need. but you could do that with the packaging Aug 15 18:16:46 Zorkman :D Aug 15 18:16:51 uggh Aug 15 18:16:54 Tig - terrible Aug 15 18:17:12 anyone else have that problem? After a suspend it seems bluetooth on the new ASU builds wont come back.... hciconfig returns no devices.... Aug 15 18:17:18 DaveLab: what info do you need to find out about the running machine? Aug 15 18:17:21 Well, maybe if these fuckers decide on a more formal versioning semantic, we can devise an appropriate method for this. Aug 15 18:17:33 :D Aug 15 18:17:38 :) Aug 15 18:18:59 Plus if they eventually decided on a damned branch of openmoko :P Aug 15 18:19:03 THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! Aug 15 18:19:07 * roh kicks his fso build Aug 15 18:19:10 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r7cd2d872a711 10/odeviced/src/plugins/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Aug 15 18:19:10 freesmartphone.org: 1.) add checks to see if read() blocks Aug 15 18:19:10 freesmartphone.org: 2.) refactor accel plugin a bit. TODO: values returned by Value() seem to be out of order Aug 15 18:19:17 a portent! Aug 15 18:19:22 roh, hehe :) Aug 15 18:19:41 formal versioning semantic? eeeh.. hello? wrong planet? this is fscking linux foo? Aug 15 18:19:51 anyone know how the SHR people are getting on? Aug 15 18:20:12 or to be more clear: it cannot get better than any distro, since versions come from upstream Aug 15 18:20:17 :P Aug 15 18:20:17 more important: are they getting *it* on Aug 15 18:20:24 yeah yeah Aug 15 18:20:31 Zorkman oy -_- Aug 15 18:20:57 Damn, I need a python operator reference. Aug 15 18:21:19 I am glad Debian has decided to release a port so we can have a proper example of clusterfsck committee design :P Aug 15 18:21:26 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re66621d593f0 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add libgpewidget 0.117 to the checksums Aug 15 18:21:27 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rb3078dd25590 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred versions] Build 0.117 of 0.115 of libgpewidget to fix segfault at crash Aug 15 18:21:27 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r890103731cdf 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add KoboDeluxe to the checksums Aug 15 18:21:30 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r6084429e4573 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add xwininfo to the checksums Aug 15 18:21:33 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rb30e9a868ee2 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add gst-python to the checksums Aug 15 18:21:59 Tig, hooray! Aug 15 18:22:00 :) Aug 15 18:22:17 * Tig| is quite depressed now :( Aug 15 18:22:38 Tig| why? whats up? Aug 15 18:23:51 must be the asu Aug 15 18:23:52 .oo(fsck.. if these fuckers now wouldnt only take paypay i would have bought that album and not googling for torrents Aug 15 18:24:08 heh Aug 15 18:24:15 yeah, if only Aug 15 18:24:16 ;) Aug 15 18:24:20 roh: basically I want something that is at least somewhat working :( I might go back to 2007.2 again, I really like the FSO but it then means that I can't really get on and install apps or use sms which I need Aug 15 18:24:43 yeah that really sucks :( Aug 15 18:24:46 * DaveLab consoles Tig Aug 15 18:25:08 The keyboard in the FSO rocks though and is actually usable Aug 15 18:25:15 \o/ Aug 15 18:25:30 illume-theme-freesmartphone_git fails to build for me Aug 15 18:25:40 i personally really like the keyboard in raster's image from yesterday =o Aug 15 18:25:47 :o Aug 15 18:25:51 raster's the man! Aug 15 18:25:58 Rasterman Aug 15 18:26:07 DaveLab really. *waveing 10Euros* .. its not that money would be the problem.. i often pay 10-15E at the entrance of a club... after all most of that goes to the musician.. but i will not and never get a CC or paypay after learnging how that all works Aug 15 18:27:12 Tig| i see.. well.. fso is not intended or built as 'working distro'.. its only the container to ease development of the middleware.. means all apps are just stubs to test the api and not 'complete and proper designed UI' Aug 15 18:27:12 oh, you're a cashonly man? Aug 15 18:27:19 heh Aug 15 18:27:35 so you'll pay a cover charge but not a credit card fee? :P Aug 15 18:27:49 or more accurately a merchant percentage Aug 15 18:27:52 DaveLab i do bank transfer, cash and online-checked maestro card payments Aug 15 18:27:52 åñòü êòî áà÷èò ïî ðóññêè ? Aug 15 18:27:54 roh: yes I know that but it seems to be the closest image to actually being useful for me :( Aug 15 18:28:00 heh okay Aug 15 18:28:15 means i have a bank card an can pull out cash from a atm nearly anywhere... but i do not own a real CC or will ever get an account at paypal. Aug 15 18:28:39 paypal is a 'loan shark' .. they are not a bank and thus do not need to adhere the much more stringent rules of banking Aug 15 18:28:53 I am using 2008.8 on SD card and the phone doens't ask for PIN, neither it shows me my SIM contacts Aug 15 18:28:57 thus i will never give em access to money from my side or even 'lend them some' Aug 15 18:29:02 roh: the only problem is that we are going to have another API break to get from the ASU stuff to an FSO based stack Aug 15 18:29:20 is there a way to have the PIN-dialog ? Aug 15 18:29:26 Tig| jap.. depends on what you are building/ what you app will do Aug 15 18:29:48 http://rusher.webhop.org:69/wordpress/?page_id=129 Aug 15 18:30:04 Tig| to get more specific: in the end it should only gluecode you will need to replace Aug 15 18:30:30 too bad qtopia is simply not a middleware that makes sense to use from anywhere than qt properly Aug 15 18:30:49 I wonder if I could replace an SMT resistor on my GTA01 to get better battery life. Aug 15 18:30:53 Torikun: you meant story 127 Aug 15 18:31:13 yup Aug 15 18:31:14 lol Aug 15 18:31:15 oops Aug 15 18:31:23 Tig| but the app itself should run on all (2007.2, FSO, ASU/2008.8) since its all X11 Aug 15 18:32:39 Tig| what do you wanna build? Aug 15 18:34:33 RayDar where do you get that idea from? Aug 15 18:35:07 roh, but say I wanted to write an app that talked to the phonebook and the calender and the gps to make something that for example was an intelligent notepad service, there is no way I can even start on anything like that as there is no standard datastore for any of it, there are several GPS backends, there is no standard datastore for the rest and none of it interfaces via any standard, so no doing for example a local ical call to get around the cal Aug 15 18:35:07 endering as nothing supports it etc Aug 15 18:35:41 Tig| ah.. now i understand Aug 15 18:35:48 Hi. Im serious thinking of buying the Neo Freerunner. And what i wondering is if OM is so stable that it can be used as a phone. With that i mean if i can plaze and recive calls and sms. Aug 15 18:36:15 who wants to answer jasper's question? Aug 15 18:36:20 yes..then it makes most sense you build on FSO... but hey.. actually thats good.. because now you can still influence the api, if something is missing for example Aug 15 18:36:34 * CM only has a GTA01 Aug 15 18:37:02 Jasper: no Aug 15 18:37:05 Jasper: my experience tells me it is not yet usable as main phone Aug 15 18:37:33 Jasper: I use it as a main phone.....but i wouldnt recommend it if you dont like fixing things often Aug 15 18:37:35 Tig| i wouldnt bother too much with ASU or even 2007.2.. in my pov these were steppingstones, neccessary to get there fso is heading (toolkit independance) Aug 15 18:37:47 Zorkman, thx. Do you know about other dist? Like debian? Aug 15 18:38:23 Jasper: I only know about 2007.2, asu/2008.8 and a little bit about debian (have not used it myself on the phone) Aug 15 18:38:36 (have tried FSO a few times also) Aug 15 18:38:37 Zorkman, okay Aug 15 18:39:25 Does anyone know a SRCREV_pn-illume-theme-freesmartphone that works? Aug 15 18:40:30 Pyrasi, I do like fixing things. But im not sure that i can fix all the problems that i may face. And i do not want to bouther tha comunity all the time. Aug 15 18:40:31 so, any of you heard about the android phone being built by htc for tmobile? Aug 15 18:40:47 YEA! my qtopia boot is now booting (3rd partition) thanks mmontour! Aug 15 18:41:24 Jasper: i practically never used linux before and i can keep my phone running (or at least reflash it :)) so you sure as hell will be able to do it :) Aug 15 18:41:40 AntonTakk: i heard of it and heard it is delayed Aug 15 18:41:57 Zorkman, do you use mainly linux? and if you do, wich distro do you use? Aug 15 18:42:07 hrm, ars technica story says everything is on track Aug 15 18:42:09 Zorkman, haha okay. what is it that is the biggest thinks that brake? Aug 15 18:42:23 sound Aug 15 18:42:54 dammit I need a longer USB cord to the phone...it needs to be able to span the desk without my leaning towards it Aug 15 18:42:57 looks like a nice bit of hardware thou, big screen and slide out kb Aug 15 18:42:57 the easiest fix for everything is a reboot....or if its real bad a reflash ;) Aug 15 18:43:05 Jasper: suspend breaks the sound and gms audio quality is bad (on the other side) Aug 15 18:43:29 also battery life is currently poor Aug 15 18:43:30 suspend only breaks the sound if you have pulse audio installed though Aug 15 18:43:41 Tig o.O Battery life is fine for me Aug 15 18:43:48 I drain about 2% per hour Aug 15 18:43:49 Zorkman: which software? I have never had bad gsm audio on the remote end Aug 15 18:43:49 Zilla: i mainly useD windows, now i use Fedora9 when i don't have to work with programs which i do not have for linux Aug 15 18:44:01 Pyrasi: you can leave it a day without charging it? Aug 15 18:44:19 tig| sure Aug 15 18:44:24 oke:) Aug 15 18:44:27 which image? Aug 15 18:44:30 AntonTakk: when i speak; the other end hears a buzzing sound (only when i speak); volume on the other end is quite low, but when i increase it, they get an echo; on both 2007.2 and on 2008.8 Aug 15 18:44:33 hmm..i have never tried....but i charge it at night....so i know it lasts all day fine Aug 15 18:44:42 Okay. But is it any one that have tried installing debian on it. For what i could understand on the wiki that worked well? Aug 15 18:44:55 2-3 days, depends on load Aug 15 18:45:05 I heard people do it and they said it worked fine Aug 15 18:45:05 Jasper: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/026695.html Aug 15 18:45:09 Chox and ecraven do it i think Aug 15 18:45:24 are there any phone apps for debian? Aug 15 18:45:39 i doubt it Aug 15 18:45:44 tig| sure Aug 15 18:45:51 malik1972: which image are you running? Aug 15 18:45:52 i think zhone can be installed Aug 15 18:45:58 tig| http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner Aug 15 18:45:59 roh: I thought I read somewhere that a wrong resistor value contributes to the abysmal battery life on the GTA01. Aug 15 18:46:15 can i flash an image with dfu into the micro sd?? Aug 15 18:46:18 not yet afiak.. but i think people are working on that.. means adding packages to alioth to have zhone and freesmartphone middleware as packages Aug 15 18:46:35 AntonTakk: http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2008/08/07/google-gphone-delayed-by-htc-glitches-global-equities-says/ Aug 15 18:46:45 aggtrfrad: no need to flash to microsd, there are special instructions for booting from sd Aug 15 18:46:50 RayDar yes and no.. there was newer fw for the gsm, besides that its mostly a sleep issue. Aug 15 18:47:28 yeah but if u have a jffs image u have to flash into the flash mem and copy the rootfs to the micro sd Aug 15 18:47:39 i was wondering if i can do it directly Aug 15 18:47:43 RayDar the rest were minor things like adding pullups/downs or making existing ones higher ohm when possible (save some microwatt) Aug 15 18:47:56 ok, I'm off to deposit a check and play with qtopia... later! Aug 15 18:48:49 i did an opkg upgrade Aug 15 18:48:59 with the above repos from zecke Aug 15 18:49:16 and he installs millions of kernel modules:-) Aug 15 18:50:06 aggtrfrad, you can mount a jffs2 image as loopback and copy from there Aug 15 18:50:27 kernel-module-zaurus? Aug 15 18:50:31 hm Aug 15 18:50:45 thats better, but still i can only mount it locally right? Aug 15 18:50:59 so i have to download it into my phone Aug 15 18:51:21 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r8be3aee2fffd 10/packages/espeak/espeak_1.35.bb: [espeak] Add portaudio-v19 to the depends so linking is working Aug 15 18:51:23 Does someone know on what condition the LEDs are turned on/off on daily build 20080813? Aug 15 18:51:24 you can mount it on your dev machine, copy the contents out, tar them up, copy to the phone, and untar Aug 15 18:51:40 oh right :D Aug 15 18:52:11 on the stock-firmware, is there a way to lower the speaker's volume ? It is too high and the slider only modify loudspeakers volume Aug 15 18:52:22 i find it easier if with a sd card reader on the dev machine Aug 15 18:52:23 alsamixer Aug 15 18:52:26 with alsactl, I can lower it Aug 15 18:52:29 alsamixer I mean Aug 15 18:52:45 but there is no way to do it on the phone ? Aug 15 18:53:07 the parameters go back to 100% when a call ends Aug 15 18:53:52 Zorkman, needs more lab :p Aug 15 18:54:07 Deubeuliou: there are alsastatefiles in /usr/share/openmoko/scenario/ you have to modify for the change to be permanent Aug 15 18:54:15 thanks :) Aug 15 18:54:25 np ;) Aug 15 19:00:06 ehlo Aug 15 19:00:08 is there some information on turning on/off the leds? Aug 15 19:00:16 yes, a /sys/ device Aug 15 19:00:42 It's hidden in the wiki ;) (think LEDs and Buttons) Aug 15 19:01:08 * kd8ikt tries http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner Aug 15 19:01:42 oh hey i made a lil shell script that randomly toggles the leds Aug 15 19:01:51 you need bash installed though Aug 15 19:01:57 to let you really think the phone is freaking out :) Aug 15 19:02:04 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Kd8ikt#demon_daemon Aug 15 19:02:27 chicks would see this so cool Aug 15 19:02:29 gotta use it Aug 15 19:02:30 * BBishop would run gentoo on moko Aug 15 19:02:31 Arcnet: got it;) Aug 15 19:02:51 BBishop: would do that too Aug 15 19:03:13 I'd use my two godzillas to compile everything for it so I wouldn't waste too much time... Aug 15 19:03:29 16 xeons compiling for moko :D =)) Aug 15 19:03:50 kd8ikt: thanks;) Aug 15 19:04:08 * BBishop thinks about lending some resources to seti@home too ... Aug 15 19:04:32 b0ef: this might be useful : http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2008/07/01/openmoko-freerunner-test-application/ Aug 15 19:05:01 http://folks.o-hand.com/thomas/openmoko/gta02.py Aug 15 19:05:14 thats a neat lil app too Aug 15 19:05:54 togle the leds show wireless AP's and readys accelerometer data Aug 15 19:06:02 reads* Aug 15 19:06:03 lol @ demon_daemon :-D Aug 15 19:06:26 its neat, remember to modify the killscript Aug 15 19:06:58 change the sleep time to speedup/slow it down Aug 15 19:07:35 uncomment the vibrator stuff to have the vibrator also randomize Aug 15 19:12:51 oh, wireless fails... oO Aug 15 19:13:52 is it normal behavior that, in case of a full charged battery dmesg gets spammed with "power_supply bat: pro [...]"-Lines? Aug 15 19:16:00 http://pastebin.com/m4fc0e4da Aug 15 19:19:47 moin Aug 15 19:23:29 i'd like some app that reads sound from the mike and displays waveform and fft of it Aug 15 19:23:49 hah Aug 15 19:23:56 a mighty big request Aug 15 19:24:47 in FSO, what do I have to do to get the screen to come back on? Aug 15 19:25:00 pray? :D Aug 15 19:25:06 (its perfectly responsive over ssh via wifi, but i can't wake it up) Aug 15 19:28:50 hello :) Aug 15 19:28:54 Wonka: jaaa and xoscope (both have bitbake recipes in OE). Don't know how well they'll work on the FR's screen; I use them over "ssh -X" forwarding Aug 15 19:29:31 does anybody knows which app is 1178 on scap? Aug 15 19:33:33 i saw it once somewhere... :-D Aug 15 19:33:48 Any of you guys pythoners? Aug 15 19:33:52 snakeheads :P Aug 15 19:34:15 frubar? fribar? fubar? :p Aug 15 19:35:49 o_O Aug 15 19:35:52 strange... Aug 15 19:36:18 ronny, still awake? Aug 15 19:36:36 Labman! Aug 15 19:36:43 I see you there! Aug 15 19:36:48 Hiding in my lab! :P Aug 15 19:37:24 mmaestri: how can i reach the screenshot with that number? Aug 15 19:38:05 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r40fffaec4c35 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Xglamo with Chris Ball's xrandr patch Aug 15 19:38:05 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r731d542bb1c6 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia with various GSM stability fixes Aug 15 19:38:05 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc06f23648149 10/packages/openmoko-projects/openmoko-community-repository.bb: [openmoko-community-repository] Modify the URL Aug 15 19:38:06 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r375c0acc3aea 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade opkg-utils-native to get tick's Size fixes #1803 Aug 15 19:38:09 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb4594ad66728 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for alsa-oss Aug 15 19:38:12 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r561e6fdce0d4 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for djvulibre Aug 15 19:38:15 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r257ed006a4b7 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for dotconf Aug 15 19:38:18 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r26791f7d1363 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for espeak Aug 15 19:38:21 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r83091895bccf 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for flite Aug 15 19:38:24 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r697461852065 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for navit Aug 15 19:38:25 bah Aug 15 19:38:31 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r64e73cddb045 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for portaudio Aug 15 19:38:34 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5ce362227a2e 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for speech-dispatcher Aug 15 19:38:37 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r85d0eab061e8 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add libgpewidget 0.117 to the checksums Aug 15 19:38:42 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5f5dee8f22b4 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add KoboDeluxe to the checksums Aug 15 19:38:45 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb4e2d4ff1daf 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add xwininfo to the checksums Aug 15 19:38:48 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc89f85c1ba55 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add gst-python to the checksums Aug 15 19:38:56 CIA-47: n00b .. stfu Aug 15 19:38:57 bag Aug 15 19:39:01 heh Aug 15 19:39:11 meh! Aug 15 19:39:18 DaveLab: zomg .. what are you doing inside the lab :-p Aug 15 19:39:19 kik Aug 15 19:41:19 DaveLab, u'r 00bRn00bzLab Aug 15 19:41:25 Hello cga Aug 15 19:41:31 DaveLab: sup? Aug 15 19:41:32 SeeVirus! Aug 15 19:42:06 Hey ronny, by default are open filestreams binary or is there a bfile or bwrite command/method for that? Aug 15 19:42:19 or way I can specify by opening a file in binary mode. Aug 15 19:42:25 DaveLab: pydoc open Aug 15 19:42:39 DaveLab: you know, rtfm skills are usefull ;P Aug 15 19:43:22 pydoc? Aug 15 19:43:23 heh Aug 15 19:43:30 hope it's better than perldoc :D Aug 15 19:43:36 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r5855b01be385 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for alsa-oss Aug 15 19:43:36 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r7fac7c3a6c87 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for djvulibre Aug 15 19:43:37 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r86691448e6cb 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for dotconf Aug 15 19:43:40 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * rf81e1a410d05 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for espeak Aug 15 19:43:43 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r84afa13c5e21 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for flite Aug 15 19:43:46 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r15cd5711b404 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for navit Aug 15 19:43:46 looks like it's ass Aug 15 19:43:49 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r256dd51c9fbc 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for portaudio Aug 15 19:43:52 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r44f34d293b1a 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for speech-dispatcher Aug 15 19:43:55 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r36707759ab18 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add libgpewidget 0.117 to the checksums Aug 15 19:43:58 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r67ad5955043f 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add KoboDeluxe to the checksums Aug 15 19:44:05 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * ra68a0b04e690 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add xwininfo to the checksums Aug 15 19:44:08 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * rd211dda116ec 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add gst-python to the checksums Aug 15 19:44:11 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * rf51306fe8610 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade u-boot to the latest stable version Aug 15 19:44:16 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * ra7c82111b7e4 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add navit to the feed Aug 15 19:44:19 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * raa30bc4409db 10/packages/libgpewidget/libgpewidget_0.115.bb: libgpewidget: depend in libxinerama. Parallel builds fail due to debian renaming Aug 15 19:44:22 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * ra5528f9e2458 10/packages/libgpewidget/ (4 files): libgpewidget: sanitize metadata order a bit and add RRECOMMENDS on gpe-icons Aug 15 19:44:27 openmoko: 03florian 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r0e1944dfb25f 10/packages/libgpewidget/libgpewidget_0.117.bb: libgpewidget: add 0.117 Aug 15 19:44:30 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r0c1237647434 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred versions] Build 0.117 of 0.115 of libgpewidget to fix segfault at crash Aug 15 19:44:33 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r7a6e17f13165 10/packages/espeak/espeak_1.35.bb: [espeak] Add portaudio-v19 to the depends so linking is working Aug 15 19:44:38 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r602667b985ea 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu.bb: [tasks-openmoko-asu] Split out connman and gtk+ to save for gta01 Aug 15 19:44:41 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * ra2f34ffc71a8 10/packages/tasks/ (4 files): [tasks] Set PACKAGE_ARCH so it has an effect Aug 15 19:44:44 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * rf17808591dd2 10/packages/tasks/ (3 files): [tasks] Remove ALLOW_EMPTY=1 as task.bbclass is already setting that Aug 15 19:44:46 Ah, I see, r/w+b Aug 15 19:44:48 woo Aug 15 19:45:01 cia is not suitable for a dvcs Aug 15 19:45:43 heh Aug 15 19:45:49 The CIA are onto you, ASU :P Aug 15 19:46:06 * DaveLab tries to picture the CIA/NSA guys on their freerunners in the field using ASU Aug 15 19:46:12 * DaveLab laughs Aug 15 19:49:38 lol Aug 15 19:50:48 ronny, is there something similar to File::Slurp in python, a way to conveniently read the entire contents of a file into one variable? scalar? Aug 15 19:51:18 content = file.read() Aug 15 19:51:37 man :p Aug 15 19:51:42 you dont do rtfm often, do you ? Aug 15 19:51:45 I do! Aug 15 19:51:51 There's so many methods! Aug 15 19:52:00 not really Aug 15 19:52:05 Everything's an object code scares me. Aug 15 19:52:08 :P Aug 15 19:52:45 its nice Aug 15 19:52:52 true Aug 15 19:53:02 just get used to it Aug 15 19:53:22 * DaveLab shudders Aug 15 19:53:27 Go back to java! :P Aug 15 19:53:41 it can't be that bad haha Aug 15 19:53:51 I am used to "everything's a string" :P Aug 15 19:53:52 hah Aug 15 19:54:00 though the lack of types is somewhat disturbing Aug 15 19:54:09 disorienting Aug 15 19:54:17 everything is a string is a pain Aug 15 19:54:48 heh Aug 15 19:54:55 it's great for string manipulation! :P Aug 15 19:54:59 * DaveLab laughs Aug 15 19:55:29 not really Aug 15 20:00:48 is there vim for 2007.2??? i can't find it with opkg install. do i need a repo? Aug 15 20:01:25 found it Aug 15 20:01:28 thanks anyway Aug 15 20:01:40 now... i do i set it as default editor? update-alternatives? Aug 15 20:02:47 install nano :P Aug 15 20:02:57 That is what I did alfatangoxt Aug 15 20:02:57 lol Aug 15 20:03:05 lol Aug 15 20:03:14 what about emacs? Aug 15 20:03:20 oh great, more callsign nicks Aug 15 20:03:30 arcnet, eww Aug 15 20:03:37 arcnet, there's already been two ports of it -_- Aug 15 20:03:42 emacs and emacs-mini I believe Aug 15 20:03:42 i love vim Aug 15 20:03:46 * DaveLab high-fives cga Aug 15 20:03:53 no need for other editors Aug 15 20:03:59 unfortunately the vim port seems to be pretty crappy righ tnow, but could only get better Aug 15 20:04:26 anyway... how do i set it as default editor? (i want to remove vi and sh .... i have bash and want vim) Aug 15 20:04:31 $EDITOR Aug 15 20:04:42 :P Aug 15 20:04:44 export? that's it? Aug 15 20:04:47 yes Aug 15 20:04:50 or set it in your profile Aug 15 20:04:54 or the global profile Aug 15 20:05:00 nano Aug 15 20:05:01 where do i find that Aug 15 20:05:03 set your login shell to bash in passwd Aug 15 20:05:03 ? Aug 15 20:05:06 or use usermod Aug 15 20:05:09 done taht for bash Aug 15 20:05:12 :] Aug 15 20:05:36 where do i set the profile? Aug 15 20:06:18 /etc/profile Aug 15 20:06:36 that profile? XD Aug 15 20:06:38 EDITOR="/bin/vi" <<< this Aug 15 20:06:54 EDITOR="/bin/vim" Aug 15 20:06:59 huhu Aug 15 20:07:14 EDITOR="/bin/nano" :P Aug 15 20:07:54 EDITOR=/bin/ed Aug 15 20:08:27 * cga is thinking about copying his configurations from his desktop to neo... Aug 15 20:08:33 who needs an editor at all? you've got cat, echo and grep... Aug 15 20:08:52 Arcnet, i dare you edit with that Aug 15 20:08:53 hell yeah Aug 15 20:09:06 no, I use vim ;) Aug 15 20:09:09 eh Aug 15 20:09:09 :D Aug 15 20:11:05 anyone here tried to change the splash screen ? Aug 15 20:11:20 the boots? Aug 15 20:12:16 no Aug 15 20:12:21 the uboot one Aug 15 20:12:21 oh Aug 15 20:12:27 before the boots Aug 15 20:12:29 OH, the Openmoko image? Aug 15 20:12:31 orange Aug 15 20:12:32 yo Aug 15 20:12:44 Yes? Aug 15 20:13:03 Yeah well, that'd be nice to change; not sure if anyone's done it before. Aug 15 20:13:29 You could try to change the image in the source package and recompile it Aug 15 20:13:30 its in a nand partition Aug 15 20:13:40 peter__b: I've done it on Neo1973 Aug 15 20:13:46 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Splash_screen Aug 15 20:13:53 \o/ Aug 15 20:13:58 arcnet, right Aug 15 20:14:08 Mmontour's slick like that. Aug 15 20:14:30 can really only use an image with 8 colors ? Aug 15 20:15:18 It's a 5:6:5 RGB image (raw framebuffer data). Look in trunk/src/host/splash in the OM SVN tree. Aug 15 20:15:43 Not sure about Freerunner/glamo Aug 15 20:16:02 Mmountour, if the size exceed x5000 will it just fail to load (bypass it), and continue booting? :P Aug 15 20:16:10 oh Aug 15 20:16:35 yeah, it should continue booting even if the splash loading fails Aug 15 20:17:30 yeah alright Aug 15 20:17:33 goody Aug 15 20:17:50 i installed vim on mine...but i cant seem to get it to syntax color =( I copied over some syntax files and set it to color em in my vimrc file.....is this just a limitation of the version of vim on it? Aug 15 20:17:58 Pyrasi, of course Aug 15 20:18:13 booo Aug 15 20:18:19 you need a bajillion libs to do syntax highlighting :D Aug 15 20:18:23 did you make sure to copy EVERYTHING Aug 15 20:18:29 are you sure it ALL works on the freerunner? Aug 15 20:18:34 (i.e. compile for) :p Aug 15 20:18:54 lol no =( oh well....wishful thinking i guess Aug 15 20:19:08 yeah, just be patient, my son. Aug 15 20:19:11 It will come! Aug 15 20:19:36 are you guys having trouble using bluetooth after a suspend? Aug 15 20:19:41 (on the new ASU builds) Aug 15 20:19:45 dev branch Aug 15 20:19:54 meanwhile, someone give me ld! Aug 15 20:19:57 >:( Aug 15 20:20:10 My build will never be complete without it! ;) Aug 15 20:20:21 * DaveLab eyes Mmontour suspiciously Aug 15 20:20:22 I'm just trying to get my bluetooth headset to work :( Aug 15 20:20:35 kd8ikt: you there? Aug 15 20:20:52 my bluetooth keyboard works great when i can get hciconfig to find the device =/ Aug 15 20:21:43 The bluetooth device is awake? Aug 15 20:21:47 Pyrasi Aug 15 20:21:59 * mmontour stares back at DaveLab Aug 15 20:22:20 SpeedEvil: what do you mean? Aug 15 20:22:24 oh Aug 15 20:22:38 i mean i set it to bluetooth on in the settings menu Aug 15 20:22:42 Mmontour do you happen to know of any packages that provide ld? :) Aug 15 20:22:51 and ive tried manually doing it as well Aug 15 20:22:56 or where I could easily fetch it? or do I have to build it myself? Aug 15 20:23:28 should be in binutils (possibly prefixed with arm-angstrom-something-) Aug 15 20:23:46 OH Aug 15 20:23:49 right! Aug 15 20:23:53 I just need to link it, bah :) Aug 15 20:24:45 DaveLab: trying to link something without the toolchain ? Aug 15 20:25:39 No Aug 15 20:25:43 ON THE PHONE Aug 15 20:26:12 there were apparently symlink packages created for gcc/g++ and nothing ever linked the object builder, this is silliness or madness, I can't seem to figure out which :) Aug 15 20:26:19 You're ON THE PHONE? Aug 15 20:26:48 It won't work until you get a 16G SD, so can make the world on the phone. Aug 15 20:27:17 I have the entire kernel source on the media card, which is sufficient :D Aug 15 20:27:28 * DaveLab toys with Speedevil's sanity Aug 15 20:27:31 That's easy. Aug 15 20:28:30 * SpeedEvil gryres and gimbals. Aug 15 20:30:24 heehee :) Aug 15 20:30:33 So Speedevil, did people ever receive their condoms? :) Aug 15 20:30:40 were they happy? Aug 15 20:31:00 One person here has said they have. I haven't perhaps been keeping as close a watch on it as I might. Aug 15 20:31:17 the woot ones? Aug 15 20:31:35 Pyrasi: no - these are just random screen protectors that I found to work well. Aug 15 20:31:43 oh...haha Aug 15 20:31:58 random screen protectors? Aug 15 20:32:00 you found? Aug 15 20:32:04 I got one of those invisible shields.....ive been really impressed Aug 15 20:32:05 what, lying on the street? Aug 15 20:32:10 Pyrasi, really? Aug 15 20:32:19 I hear it kind of sucked? at least the full body thing Aug 15 20:32:22 So is it worth it? Aug 15 20:32:47 i think so....i have a full body one and like it pretty well. I mean it does what its supposed to. Aug 15 20:33:16 all the pieces being custom cut for the freerunner made it pretty nice imo Aug 15 20:33:34 ugh, i just switched to 2008.8 Aug 15 20:33:54 is there a way to change the wallpaper without editing an edje file somewhere Aug 15 20:34:10 crap, so close, modpost wasn't built :x Aug 15 20:34:11 don;t think so Aug 15 20:34:24 pyrasi, is it snug? Aug 15 20:34:40 mike--2: http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner/ Aug 15 20:34:51 pimp yo freerunnar Aug 15 20:34:57 freeruiner! Aug 15 20:35:00 what do you mean by snug? Aug 15 20:35:08 tightly Aug 15 20:35:11 or is it lose? Aug 15 20:35:37 I'm guessing you provided the best description possible for that product though. Aug 15 20:35:47 > "I mean it does what its supposed to." Aug 15 20:35:50 right Aug 15 20:35:50 oh...the protector you apply to the body itself....its like a sticker.....its not coming off anytime soon Aug 15 20:35:59 oh shit, really? :D Aug 15 20:36:02 yea Aug 15 20:36:03 so it's glued on? :O Aug 15 20:36:25 even to the screen? o_o Aug 15 20:36:30 not glued....you can peel it off if you really wanted to...and supposedly it leaves no residue behind....but it certainly doesnt move Aug 15 20:37:06 and they give you like 8 different pieces that you apply on all sides of the freerunner....so i can still open the back and press all the buttons with it applied Aug 15 20:37:17 Tiglaway: heh, thanks Aug 15 20:37:28 I do too Aug 15 20:38:02 hmm....ill post some pictures sometime if you want Aug 15 20:38:17 I have just a screen protector on mine - it was made for the nintendo DS, but it works great Aug 15 20:39:12 heehee :) Aug 15 20:39:17 mike, it fits well? :P Aug 15 20:39:54 DaveLab: it's too big to fit without taking the case off first, but I like it that way better Aug 15 20:39:55 gah, this is so painful Aug 15 20:40:07 okay :P Aug 15 20:40:15 so long as it's working out for you Aug 15 20:41:25 anyone had problems with gps.h with bitbake before? getting the following trying to compile something that uses gps.h http://pastebin.com/m3e1660ef Aug 15 20:41:58 hm with latest 2007.2 I can't sent sms messages somehow, well atleast I can't right now have sent one yesterday, I can press the send button but it doesn't do anything, anything I can do about it? Aug 15 20:43:14 anyone have had this problem before or knows how to fix it? (typed the whole message now and now it doesn't do anything (146/160 characters long) Aug 15 20:45:21 DaveLab: you know where python-string can be found? Aug 15 20:46:10 DaveLab, mmm i tried to scp some config files for bash and vim from my laptop to my neo but they don't seem to work or be loaded. any suggestion? (tried su - already) Aug 15 20:47:26 labman, isn't it core? Aug 15 20:47:47 when receiving a sms from my provider, the text is all garbled (with the qtopia image) Aug 15 20:47:50 guess not, i get: http://pastebin.com/m3913c06a Aug 15 20:48:23 o_O Aug 15 20:48:48 anybody installed gutenflash? Aug 15 20:49:13 scary Aug 15 20:49:20 german crack? Aug 15 20:50:03 oh haha Aug 15 20:50:06 It's in buildhost ;p Aug 15 20:50:13 It's just hiding from you! Aug 15 20:50:26 I'm guesing it's: python-stringold Aug 15 20:50:28 ;p Aug 15 20:51:18 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r5d39088028ab 10/ (12 files in 2 dirs): odevapi: add org.freesmartphone.Device.{LED|PowerControl|PowerSupply|RealtimeClock} Aug 15 20:52:49 doh Aug 15 20:53:14 i installed python-stronold and still the same error :( Aug 15 20:53:49 stringold? Aug 15 20:53:54 (without the typo?) Aug 15 20:54:06 no one here has a clue about the sms error I discribed above ? (pressing send button but not able to sent it with the 2007.2 latest distribution?) Aug 15 20:54:10 well yeah, their software doesn't take into account that python-string doesn't exist! Aug 15 20:54:19 strongold yes Aug 15 20:54:37 oh man, if I can get this module built against arm, I'm going to be ecstatic. Aug 15 20:54:52 I'm SO close... and yet, so far :( Aug 15 20:55:01 hack it, baby! Aug 15 20:55:31 Labman, what the hell is strongold? Aug 15 20:57:17 stringold :) Aug 15 20:57:33 strongold is some kind of homestar-runner-strongbad-python-binding Aug 15 20:58:12 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rd3a1fa1c9770 10/html/index.html: docs: update index.html Aug 15 20:58:13 o_O Aug 15 20:58:16 roflcopter Aug 15 20:58:38 Woo, rebuilding org.openmoko.dev Aug 15 20:58:46 whee, what could be more fun, I ask you!? Aug 15 20:59:02 stacking bars of lead? Aug 15 20:59:03 porting open firmware to the freerunner? Aug 15 20:59:26 donomo at least that would taste good :P Aug 15 20:59:30 s/good/sweet/ Aug 15 20:59:30 DaveLab meant: donomo at least that would taste sweet :P Aug 15 20:59:31 :P Aug 15 20:59:41 getting the freerunner to pull off the TCCBOOT trick where it compiles the kernel from source at every boot? Aug 15 20:59:49 i just finished rewriting my perl skript to download almanch data from u-blox to the GPS chip in python Aug 15 20:59:51 gah Aug 15 20:59:59 hmm, I wonder if you could run flux on the freerunner Aug 15 21:00:12 flux? Aug 15 21:00:13 Wonka: how does almanac data get into u-blox? Aug 15 21:00:16 wonka, sounds kinky Aug 15 21:00:23 donomo: from u-blox.com Aug 15 21:02:16 Wonka....does it improve your TTFF alot? Aug 15 21:02:28 Wonka: there already was a script that does that i think Aug 15 21:02:44 is there anyway I could see why it's going wrong (unable to send the sms) then? Aug 15 21:02:58 sorry pjj, i don't know Aug 15 21:03:33 Labman, thanks for atleast replying :) Aug 15 21:03:58 :) Aug 15 21:04:47 these almanac data scripts people are mentioning.....has anyone used one? And if so does it improve the TTFF alot? Aug 15 21:05:01 nite all but DaveLab and norsk in general XD Aug 15 21:05:20 :[ Aug 15 21:05:24 https://chaos.in-kiel.de/~w/openmoko/agps-alm.py Aug 15 21:05:30 Oh, that's fair; I don't sleep! :D Aug 15 21:05:32 Pyrasi: yes. Aug 15 21:05:46 Wonka, is it awesome, what does it do? Aug 15 21:05:58 Pyrasi, OHHHHHHHHHHHH Aug 15 21:06:00 nite cga Aug 15 21:06:08 Pyrasi: and if you change the "alm" to "full" and provide better location and accuracy, it can get as fast as 4 seconds Aug 15 21:06:19 Are these that whole almanac route to try to feed helpful hint data into the gps thing to get it to fix quicker? Aug 15 21:06:22 :P Aug 15 21:06:33 Wonka, that's pretty impressive! Aug 15 21:06:44 its just python ;) Aug 15 21:06:51 and it needs internet connection Aug 15 21:07:29 oh...so can you download the almanac data for offline use? Aug 15 21:07:48 not with this chip Aug 15 21:08:03 there is AssistNow Offline, but both methods do not work here Aug 15 21:08:21 the second one cannot work because of no flash Aug 15 21:08:45 and the first one does not work because the chip NAKs the config message saying "ask me for almanach data if you need some" Aug 15 21:08:47 Wonka, I read there might be a slight hope to "fool" the chip and provide the offline data Aug 15 21:09:06 wait...so your script goes and gets the data from a site and gives it to the GPS? Aug 15 21:09:12 Pyrasi: ack Aug 15 21:09:26 i guess i could just look at the script...lol Aug 15 21:09:37 Pyrasi: that is the "A" in our AGPS Aug 15 21:09:37 Pyrasi: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_GPS Aug 15 21:09:48 Pyrasi: the perl skript there is mine too Aug 15 21:10:10 Almanac GPS? Aug 15 21:10:39 i mean i understand assisted gps....but i guess i dont understand why we cant just grab the almanac from a local file instead of a web service Aug 15 21:10:55 * DaveLab high-fives Wonka Aug 15 21:11:12 Pyrasi, there's no reason you cannot [explicitly specify it] Aug 15 21:11:34 Wonka: in what format do we need to give our gps coordinateS? Aug 15 21:12:24 Zorkman: degrees north/east Aug 15 21:12:40 Zorkman: the line for "about germany" is: Aug 15 21:12:42 s.send('user='+user+';pwd='+pwd+';cmd=full;lat=50;lon=10;pacc=500000;\n') Aug 15 21:13:02 what is pacc? Aug 15 21:13:21 50 north, 10 east, accuracy about 500km Aug 15 21:13:22 also, do we use a comma or a point to provide lat and lon? Aug 15 21:13:27 a . Aug 15 21:13:35 thx Aug 15 21:13:36 dec Aug 15 21:14:49 see http://people.openmoko.org/matt_hsu/ImplementationAssistNowServerAndClient(GPS.G4-SW-05017-C).pdf Aug 15 21:17:13 Wonka, you haven't per chance used the om build env have you?> Aug 15 21:17:27 no Aug 15 21:19:45 now, someone just needs to put that almanach (or even ephemeris, with "cmd=full" and location data) downloader into the ogpsd subsystem of frameworkd Aug 15 21:20:00 Wow wonka Aug 15 21:20:03 Quick question ... I'm definitely an end user as opposed to a developer, so I know it's going to be a while before I'm in the target market, but...I'm curious where I can follow the status of the PIM applications for the phone? Other than making calls, that's what I really want it for Aug 15 21:20:08 i ran your script and now everything is FUNKY Aug 15 21:20:20 ie the contact database, calendar, and to-do list Aug 15 21:20:29 Zorkman: you did read the usage information? Aug 15 21:20:40 Zorkman: you need to redirect output to /dev/ttySAC1 Aug 15 21:20:52 http://pastebin.com/m5a2f2d09 Aug 15 21:20:57 I've got my hopes up...right now the best thing for it is the Treo stuff, but the PalmOS PIM apps are...well, they're OK but not great Aug 15 21:20:58 aha :) sorry Aug 15 21:21:06 and don't get me started on synchronizing/backup Aug 15 21:21:10 but it really does look psychedelic Aug 15 21:22:12 Zorkman: binary data often does Aug 15 21:23:19 is tehre a way to check if the data has been recieved? Aug 15 21:23:32 fix is not faster then before... Aug 15 21:23:34 Redirect dinner Aug 15 21:25:25 Wonka? Aug 15 21:25:31 Hm... if I want to crosscompile something for the freerunner, what do I have to set as host (./configure --host=???) Aug 15 21:25:42 Zorkman: not really Aug 15 21:26:14 Zorkman: in openmoko-agpsui, there's usually several satellites in sight very fast Aug 15 21:26:27 Zorkman: that's the only sign i've seen so far Aug 15 21:28:02 Wonka: we only need to run it once each boot? and what when we press "cold" reset in openmoko-agspui? Aug 15 21:28:10 man rebooting is such a power whore Aug 15 21:28:28 btw: north and east are positive values, correct? Aug 15 21:28:35 Arcnet: I wish I knew! :D Aug 15 21:28:46 I'm trying to do the same! Aug 15 21:28:51 arm-linux ? Aug 15 21:28:58 Currently compiling against the kernel sources Aug 15 21:29:08 arm-linux ! :-D Aug 15 21:29:09 Zorkman: on cold reset, almanach and ephemeris data is lost and needs to be regained either via assistnow or via "normal" searching for satellites Aug 15 21:29:54 well, at least it configures more than before (ptlib in my case) :-) Aug 15 21:30:24 hehe Aug 15 21:30:30 but still fails? Aug 15 21:32:12 yeah, missing some headers Aug 15 21:32:33 * Arcnet wants his gentoo box back... stupid ubuntu :-D Aug 15 21:33:28 it's not the header file... Aug 15 21:33:34 checking for ldap.h... no Aug 15 21:33:34 checking for /usr/local/include/ldap.h... configure: error: cannot check for file existence when cross compiling Aug 15 21:33:37 Oo Aug 15 21:36:43 of course, the build enviroment lacks those headerfiles... stupid me Aug 15 21:46:31 anyone find a working wifi gui in 08.8? Aug 15 21:50:51 is it allowed to change the device to host mode while connected to a host? Aug 15 21:50:56 or do i have to run it from the FR? Aug 15 21:51:07 Zorkman: syre Aug 15 21:51:14 Zorkman: it won't work. Aug 15 21:51:36 Zorkman: it certainly won't damage anything if you don't also enable 5V. Aug 15 21:51:50 Zorkman: it may not if you do, but it's not a good idea. Aug 15 21:52:59 thx Aug 15 21:57:48 SpeedEvil: when i run echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode Aug 15 21:58:02 i get "echo: write error: Invalid argument Aug 15 21:58:08 Zorkman: i get that too but it still works Aug 15 21:58:17 Zorkman: just needs x restart Aug 15 21:59:03 * richiefrich sighs Aug 15 21:59:13 when will openmoko get more phones! Aug 15 21:59:47 * araujo wonders the same Aug 15 22:00:45 indeed, it works Aug 15 22:00:59 araujo: im shocked they havent bothered to update their site Aug 15 22:01:05 too bad i do not have a usb keyboard here (it's currently in a box somewhere :)) Aug 15 22:01:09 araujo: still says july 25th Aug 15 22:01:14 richiefrich, yeah :-( Aug 15 22:01:23 araujo: i think that means next year Aug 15 22:01:31 I wonder if they _really_ plan to release something before next year Aug 15 22:01:36 :-( Aug 15 22:01:58 yeah i think i will look into another linux phone Aug 15 22:02:16 resellers had phones Aug 15 22:02:18 araujo: http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT9423084269.html Aug 15 22:02:22 richiefrich: koolu.com still has them in stock (oh, and they have 900s as well now) Aug 15 22:02:26 heard bearstech is shipping Aug 15 22:02:37 you heard right Aug 15 22:02:38 mmontour: still says W.E. on checkout Aug 15 22:02:50 mmontour: and no one has called me back Aug 15 22:02:51 richiefrich, been thinking the same .. but I don't know how many more phones are like the Neo ... :-( Aug 15 22:02:55 richiefrich: they are just the same as FR Aug 15 22:03:11 It's a stock Freerunner. I got mine yesterday. Aug 15 22:03:16 Zorkman: i dont want a W.E. one Aug 15 22:03:21 mmontour, where did you get it? Aug 15 22:03:25 richiefrich: there is no difference Aug 15 22:03:28 koolu Aug 15 22:03:32 Zorkman: yes there is Aug 15 22:03:39 have you contacted them? Aug 15 22:03:46 Zorkman: i called them twice Aug 15 22:03:53 left messages no ones called me back Aug 15 22:04:23 heard someone last week saying they didn't mod the case, it was something they were going to do, but the FR they sell are exactly the same as any other reseller or openmoko Aug 15 22:04:37 send a mail to the community list, a lot of people have bought there Aug 15 22:04:45 i think the A1600 looks nice Aug 15 22:04:50 i had an A1200 Aug 15 22:04:51 if it was different or if there were problems; i'm sure i would have heard about them Aug 15 22:06:06 well i know the W.E. phone has android on it Aug 15 22:06:14 and thats spacific to canada Aug 15 22:06:20 cause of Rodgers Aug 15 22:06:22 richiefrich: android is not out... how the hell can they have android on it? Aug 15 22:06:37 and openmoko is OPENmoko, it is not locked Aug 15 22:06:44 please, don't talk shit Aug 15 22:06:46 * araujo didn't know about W.E Aug 15 22:06:56 Zorkman: i am not why dont you read Aug 15 22:07:14 http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS2387774836.html Aug 15 22:07:21 richiefrich: it will at some point in the future (Android). For now if you order from Koolu you will get a standard Openmoko Freerunner with the 2007.2 image. As I said, I got mine yesterday (it's a GTA02v5 without the GPS hardware fix) Aug 15 22:07:22 mmontour, so, koolu == freerunner? Aug 15 22:07:46 araujo: YES Aug 15 22:07:47 mmontour: then as i said they need to change it on checkout! Aug 15 22:08:09 I am not defending their website. Aug 15 22:08:13 mmontour: i dont see how hard that is.. Aug 15 22:08:14 araujo; they are planning to make a custom os for it, and maybe later on even a custom case, but right now, there is no difference Aug 15 22:08:34 (which, BTW, seems to be broken at the moment) Aug 15 22:08:59 are there any GTA02v6 with the gps fix? Aug 15 22:09:22 Zorkman, aaah .. mm ... interesting Aug 15 22:09:27 everything that is sold now is gta02v6, but i don't think they have the gps fixx Aug 15 22:09:44 mmontour, so, they have phones in stock?, international shipping?, what is the link? Aug 15 22:09:52 btw zedstar_: i have a gta02v5 and the gps works fine withouth hardware fix Aug 15 22:10:07 i have a FR with the hw gps fix Aug 15 22:10:10 zorkman even with sd card in? Aug 15 22:10:28 zedstar_: even when running the OS from the SD Aug 15 22:10:32 ieatlint u got it fixed or did it yourself? Aug 15 22:10:32 araujo: www.koolu.com, AFAIK they will ship internationally (but I'm in Canada), and as I said their site seems to be down ATM (except for the front page) Aug 15 22:10:42 it wasn't done by smt, it was hand-soldered (but it is as i got it) Aug 15 22:10:46 mmontour: it works here Aug 15 22:11:09 The "Click to buy" -> shop.koolu.com link is timing out for me. Aug 15 22:11:11 TTFF: 40s in good circumstances; with the agps from ublox i expect 10s, but i still have to test that one :) Aug 15 22:11:33 indoors near a window i get a fix in 80-380s Aug 15 22:11:33 mmontour: and do they overnight it if i want Aug 15 22:11:37 mmontour, aaah, ok, thanks, I will keep checking Aug 15 22:11:39 yeah, no one's really talked about agps support Aug 15 22:11:47 mmontour: or is that 6 to 8 weeks a standard Aug 15 22:11:51 anyone done a gta01 vs gta01 fix test? Aug 15 22:11:53 This version of the phone will take 6-8 weeks to ship. Aug 15 22:11:57 02 Aug 15 22:11:58 ieatlint: there is already since a long time (on neo1973-germany.de) Aug 15 22:11:59 koolu ships anywhere in the world Aug 15 22:12:06 but today wonka also made a script: Aug 15 22:12:18 richiefrich: when I ordered they said 3-5 days to ship, + choice of Canada Post options (I went for 2-day Xpresspost but there was an overnight option) Aug 15 22:12:27 mmaestri, the app you're looking for is xournal Aug 15 22:12:38 https://chaos.in-kiel.de/~w/openmoko/agps-alm.py Aug 15 22:12:51 mmontour: ahh ok Aug 15 22:13:02 mmontour: and you have to use Rodgers ? correct Aug 15 22:13:11 since your in canada Aug 15 22:13:14 haha, that hilights me every time Aug 15 22:13:29 Rogers or Fido (now owned by Rogers). I'm on Fido Aug 15 22:13:41 ah Aug 15 22:14:40 zedstar, I've done a gta01 vs gta02 (with software fix) comparison. The gta01 is substantially faster getting the first fix, and after the fix, the data looks less noisy on the gat01. Aug 15 22:15:59 kenyoung: interesting......the gta01 seems to be pretty sensitive compared to 2 other gps i own also Aug 15 22:16:48 zedstar, Yeah, I've started using my '01, without SIM, as a GPS PDA, and I use the Freerunner as a phone. Aug 15 22:17:12 I'm very happy with the GPS in the '01. Aug 15 22:19:21 kenyoung: how long do u get on the battery with gps going? Aug 15 22:20:30 zedstar, I've never run it down to full discharge, yet. I get at least 5 hours, if I make sure the backlight is on only infrequently. Aug 15 22:21:33 zedstar, It might be capable of running much longer than that, for all I know. Aug 15 22:22:12 kenyoung: cool....ive never really unplugged mine from usb but that sounds pretty usable for gps Aug 15 22:22:23 "No package 'libebook-1.2' found" while running om-conf, anyone know where do i get libebook from ? :\ Aug 15 22:22:52 KenYoung: FYI, I have TangoGPS running on FSO on the GTA01 now Aug 15 22:22:56 zedstar, Yeah - I use it around town all the time - I've loaded LOTS of OSM maps on my 8 GB microSD. Aug 15 22:23:25 rwhitby, Ooops I meant that reply for you. Sorry. Aug 15 22:24:03 nite all Aug 15 22:25:02 rwhitby, Does FSO have gypsy handling the GPS multiplexing right now, or will that be added later? Aug 15 22:26:20 KenYoung: FSO frameworkd gets input from gllin, then sends Gypsy dbus signals to tangogps-fso, which has patches to receive those signals. Aug 15 22:26:56 frameworkd/ogpsd now has a python nmea parser Aug 15 22:27:08 rwhitby, Oh, I didn't realize there was a version of tangogps which uses gypsy, instead of gpsd. Aug 15 22:27:29 yes, there's some patches in OE for it Aug 15 22:27:52 rwhitby, So it's not available on the tangogps site? Aug 15 22:27:59 I added another one last night to receive timestamps so Tango knows the time. Aug 15 22:28:07 KenYoung: dunno Aug 15 22:28:22 I build direct from OE Aug 15 22:29:14 one less daemon running is always good :-) Aug 15 22:29:17 Wiedi: thx for the info about xournal, but cannot find it. do you know where it is? Aug 15 22:29:28 rwhitby: how are you getting the NMEA data from gllin? Still using /tmp/nmeaNP, or one of the other modes? Aug 15 22:29:41 rwhitby, Well, that's very interesting to me, because I was not going to bother switching my GPS-enabled application to gypsy, until someone did that for tangogps, since tangogps seems to be by far the most popular GPS app for the OM platform. Aug 15 22:30:00 mmontour: at the moment /tmp/nmeaNP, but going to test UDP today Aug 15 22:30:32 KenYoung: I believe fso is using gypsy due to the dbus support. Aug 15 22:30:58 the pipe is a real PITA (kills gllin if the other process stops reading from it, etc). If UDP doesn't work there's also a PTY option that you can try. Aug 15 22:31:13 mmaestri, there is a bb file in oe Aug 15 22:31:24 ah, ok Aug 15 22:31:39 anyone try and get geoclue working with gypsy on their neo? Aug 15 22:31:41 thx Wiedi Aug 15 22:32:00 np :) Aug 15 22:48:53 hello all! Aug 15 22:49:03 I FINALLY got my FreeRunner!!! *squeal* Aug 15 22:49:43 Flinx: any smoke yet? Aug 15 22:49:49 Almost Aug 15 22:49:56 it does seem to take ages to power on tho Aug 15 22:50:45 and my new SIM card doesn't seem to work in it -.- Aug 15 22:53:42 Flinx: how does it fail? can you capture traffic to the gsm chip? Aug 15 22:53:53 Hm... someone knows how to create a shared library of some source code? Aug 15 22:54:45 lindi-, I'm not really sure >.< All I know is two things. 1 - with or without a SIM card it comes up and says "Registering..." Aug 15 22:54:48 KenYoung: why not just write python wrapper that offers gpsd-like interface? Aug 15 22:55:05 2 - I know that the card that I got today is on the list of known working SIM's Aug 15 22:55:10 Flinx: i hope you are prepared to debug things Aug 15 22:55:19 I know :D Aug 15 22:55:26 I'm going to flash it first prolly Aug 15 22:55:42 and I know three things actually Aug 15 22:56:16 3 - the connections (stupid me) seem off center, and I may have to use the tape method to keep the holder from shorting the sim Aug 15 22:58:42 SIM info: 71234 (SKU) / G (manufacturer) / 3022 (version) Aug 15 22:59:37 Flinx: you want to see the serial traffic Aug 15 22:59:43 *nods* Aug 15 23:00:03 Should I leave it at factory settings or, try the 2008.08 software? Aug 15 23:00:20 depends on who you ask :) Aug 15 23:00:37 Flinx: i have not managed to compile 2008.8 and i only want to run software i can compile Aug 15 23:00:51 ah Aug 15 23:01:00 well I'm just excited to finalyl have it :P Aug 15 23:01:04 since otherwise there's not much i can do to debug it Aug 15 23:01:06 theres nothing to do with it though.... Aug 15 23:01:36 but anyways... how do I start debugging? Aug 15 23:02:52 odd...I'm getting a auth error when trying to open anything on my desk x server http://www.mibbit.com/pb/bCZTnO Aug 15 23:03:42 what sort of errors? Aug 15 23:03:52 because I've had problems with Mibbit before. Aug 15 23:04:12 that mibbit thing is a pastebin Aug 15 23:04:17 Do you know where Qtopia Mediaplayer looks for multimedia files on OM2008.08? Aug 15 23:04:43 i'm getting errors when trying to open something thru ssh on my host x server Aug 15 23:04:52 ah Aug 15 23:04:53 Flinx: strace? Aug 15 23:05:06 lindi-, kay. Aug 15 23:06:06 lindi-, lemme make sure that its charged. out of box it seemed to be at ~90% charge after 10 minutes on 1000mA, but then lost most of it in like 15-20 minutes idling. Aug 15 23:07:27 I think I heard that was pretty normal though. Aug 15 23:09:35 i heard recently that openmoko runs all the software as root, is that true and are there any plans for a security model, maybe something like policykit? Aug 15 23:09:52 niklauz: it's true, and there are no real plans yet Aug 15 23:12:51 niklauz: when all phone services are usable over dbus you can run GUI as normal user Aug 15 23:13:08 niklauz: i think somebody already managed to do this on debian Aug 15 23:13:26 lindi-: somebody ;) Aug 15 23:13:30 just out of morbid curiosity... but since this is a developers phone.. is there any reason why running things as root is bad? Aug 15 23:13:37 lindi-: what do you mean about debian? Aug 15 23:13:47 niklauz: debian runs on the freerunner Aug 15 23:13:48 edistar_: was that you? ;) Aug 15 23:14:15 ;) Aug 15 23:14:19 Flinx: yes, a small bug can cause damage :) Aug 15 23:14:37 ah Aug 15 23:14:56 makes sense.... Aug 15 23:15:31 Flinx: and think about using graphical file manager with touchscreen as root Aug 15 23:15:38 "whoops, there goes /lib" Aug 15 23:15:48 ahh Aug 15 23:15:50 yeah >.< Aug 15 23:16:00 is there no sudo? Aug 15 23:16:21 lindi-: I like the idea of an install script btw.. although it'd be nicer to run it from the pc.. Aug 15 23:16:26 Flinx: in debian there is Aug 15 23:16:32 Flinx: but not default Aug 15 23:16:35 edistar_: i like install script more than image yes Aug 15 23:16:59 edistar_: since that way people are not locked into using the image somebody else gave with no way to make changes to it easily Aug 15 23:17:04 exactly Aug 15 23:17:12 I'll test it tomorrow, I'm too tired nwo Aug 15 23:17:13 ow Aug 15 23:17:16 *now Aug 15 23:17:21 can't even type anymore.. Aug 15 23:17:52 and modify :) e.g. I want to use kernel in internal flash.. Aug 15 23:17:58 do you mean ARM9 debian or X86 Debian? Aug 15 23:18:04 so need to have 2 kernels on one device Aug 15 23:18:09 Flinx: arm debian Aug 15 23:18:15 gotcha Aug 15 23:18:24 s/so/no Aug 15 23:18:47 cause I'm using Etch right now ;)... not yet configured for doing things wiht my phone.. but I do that after reading Aug 15 23:19:30 Flinx: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner fellow debianer :) Aug 15 23:20:10 sweet.. Aug 15 23:20:22 good night Aug 15 23:20:26 I gotta get my NTFS-3G and ALSA back first Aug 15 23:20:30 but thanks :D Aug 15 23:21:29 edistar_: how big sd memory should be to work well with that wiki's info? Aug 15 23:21:34 edistar_: how about recommending a daily backup script for debian users? Aug 15 23:22:06 edistar_: so that if something breaks in upgrade you can easily revert back Aug 15 23:22:07 mmaestri: well.. 512 is just about enough, but 4gb ist best Aug 15 23:22:14 lindi-: yeah, nice idea too! Aug 15 23:22:26 but backup from within debian of course.. and save where? Aug 15 23:22:36 edistar_: save over usb to PC Aug 15 23:22:38 edistar_: i have 1Gb. is it enough? Aug 15 23:22:57 lindi-: okey.. Aug 15 23:22:58 mmaestri: should be Aug 15 23:23:05 mmaestri: I'm using 640mb right now Aug 15 23:23:16 and it's a full system with x, zhone, matchbox etc Aug 15 23:23:27 i have 512 SD and it's almost full Aug 15 23:23:38 but i can still fit source code of framebuffer driver and gdb :) Aug 15 23:23:46 ok, so let's install debian again ;) Aug 15 23:23:54 well, good night.. I might write the backup script tomorrow Aug 15 23:24:39 edistar_: sudo rsync --delete --numeric-ids -ax 10.168.0.202:/ --link-dest ~/openmoko/2008-08-13 ~/openmoko/2008-08-14 Aug 15 23:24:48 lindi-: boring :) Aug 15 23:25:09 how come? ;) Aug 15 23:25:35 much to easy, that solution^^ Aug 15 23:25:43 ah :) Aug 15 23:26:05 cu soon Aug 15 23:26:09 some easy way to automate it would be needed though Aug 15 23:26:16 backups are never made if they require manual work :P Aug 15 23:27:39 they are never made, whether manually or automatically ;) Aug 15 23:27:46 tapes always seem broken.. Aug 15 23:28:20 urgh.. I hate setting up new system builds... it takes ages. Aug 15 23:41:18 yeah, libosip2 and libeXosip2 compiled :-) Aug 15 23:41:27 linphone, I'm coming :-) Aug 15 23:46:42 anyone can point me to the latest know well working uboot? Aug 15 23:59:23 Collected errors: Aug 15 23:59:25 * Could not obtain administrative lock Aug 15 23:59:48 i tried to install tango ops Aug 16 00:00:06 wheres rooly Aug 16 00:04:42 linuxxr: try killall packagesomething Aug 16 00:04:48 ok Aug 16 00:04:51 to find out what packagesomething is do a Aug 16 00:04:52 thanks Aug 16 00:04:53 px aux Aug 16 00:05:09 (can't remember the exact name - packagekitd or so) Aug 16 00:05:16 i rebooted Aug 16 00:09:21 that works as well ^^ Aug 16 00:16:09 ohnosec - the time between realising your foot is nice and toasty warm, and realising that you've stepped on your laptop. Aug 16 00:16:21 Fortunately, I have a spare. Aug 16 00:17:33 been drinking speedevil? :) Aug 16 00:17:39 No. Aug 16 00:17:42 Been tidying up. Aug 16 00:21:24 all new u-boots can boot from ext2 micro sd? Aug 16 00:25:14 is there no perl Net:RawIP for the moko? :( Aug 16 00:26:53 speedevil i can top stepping on your laptop...i once put a pc on top of my car as i was moving stuff into it at university...drove off with the pc on my car...didnt release until did a sharp right and it came off into the road just as the sheffield super tram was coming along Aug 16 00:36:19 Without a SIM, the phones should still be able to call 112? (obviously something I won't want to test for myself..) Aug 16 00:36:30 baird: not in all countries Aug 16 00:36:35 baird: not the UK forex Aug 16 00:36:55 (you can't dial anything) Aug 16 00:37:15 i dunno if the software supports it Aug 16 00:37:30 here in the US you can, but that doesn't mean the phone will do it Aug 16 00:37:34 Well, I'm in Australia, where it's a class licence condition that carriers support emergency calls to 112.. Aug 16 00:37:52 the dialer might go "hey, you're not registered" and do anything Aug 16 00:37:56 (..but does the moko do it?) Aug 16 00:38:14 i'll make a test later today to a non-emergency number Aug 16 00:38:26 i think i can dial 611 without a sim card (mobile phone customer service) Aug 16 00:38:34 here in finland it's stated by law that it's mandatory to be able to call 112 in all cases Aug 16 00:39:20 on 2008.8, i just tried without a sim to dial 611... it immediately gave me an error saying it can't make calls because it's not registered... so unless there is a special override for 911.. Aug 16 00:39:44 actually, isn't a mobile phone emergency call special? Aug 16 00:40:11 it may actually be treated differently by the gsm standard to give priority and better routing Aug 16 00:40:35 That's what I was wondering... Aug 16 00:40:44 maybe a sim that is an unactice sim might be a better test or at least another to preform Aug 16 00:40:55 inactive* Aug 16 00:42:05 ok, i have one of those too :P Aug 16 00:42:07 one sec Aug 16 00:42:36 yes they have higher priority and they drop other peoples calls if needed to get through Aug 16 00:42:36 well, more like a min.. need to find it, put it in the neo and such Aug 16 00:46:13 you evil guys .. dropping people's calls to test stuff Aug 16 00:46:18 :)) Aug 16 00:47:25 I could always go find a place where a lot of accidents happen to test out the emergency calling. :) Aug 16 00:47:28 sounds like a plan Aug 16 00:47:32 * rooly|away snickers Aug 16 00:48:06 The language in the wiki sounds ambiguous wrt emergency calling working.. "it has to be implimented..." Aug 16 00:50:50 ok Aug 16 00:50:56 the inactive sim did nothing Aug 16 00:51:08 however, i took the phone apart, pulled out the gsm antenna Aug 16 00:51:15 booted the phone, it got no signal Aug 16 00:51:26 try to make a call, it says searching for network Aug 16 00:51:45 try to dial 911... and it started the call (i think pulled the battery instantly, even though it wasn't registered anyway) Aug 16 00:52:00 so in theory, emergency calls work with 2008.8 Aug 16 00:52:07 (without a sim..) Aug 16 00:53:09 hey all, I'm trying to umount a partition and it kleep saying it's busy, but I haven;t used it yet. anyway to force umount ? Aug 16 00:53:38 matholio__, is your pwd the mount? Aug 16 00:54:34 nope it was auto-mounted, wrongly and want to remount it. Aug 16 00:55:08 try "mount -o remount" Aug 16 00:55:29 eg, to make it rw, "mount -o remount,rw /mounted/path" Aug 16 00:59:11 hmm, I can add another mount point, that seems to work. Aug 16 01:33:34 yeah, compiled linphone :-) Aug 16 01:35:21 Arcnet: excuse my ignorance: linphone? Aug 16 01:36:04 <|kb3gtn|> free voice over IP app (SIP phone) Aug 16 01:37:29 and does it works on the fr, or has to be tested yet? Aug 16 01:39:18 you got any packages for it? Aug 16 01:44:10 :-D Aug 16 01:44:18 I'm working on the packages Aug 16 01:44:57 As soon as I finish them I'll try wether this works or not and if it does I'll publish them Aug 16 01:45:00 i need to work out this weekend how to compile and build packages, there are some interesting projects around Aug 16 01:50:44 Arcnet did you ever figures out how to properly crosscompile whatever it was you were doing? :) Aug 16 01:52:29 KenYoung! :D Aug 16 01:53:24 yes, I figured it out - somehow Aug 16 01:55:46 I installed the toolchain on ubuntu according to wiki, but the I simply compiled my stuff the usuall way (not yet creating a project for the openmokoscripts) by issuing: Aug 16 01:55:46 ./configure --host=arm-linux --whatever-config-need Aug 16 01:55:46 make Aug 16 01:55:46 make install DESTDIR=/some/tempdir/for/each/package Aug 16 01:56:30 and for libs I did "make install DESTDIR=/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm.../" as well Aug 16 01:57:01 Now I manually create the opk-files with ipk-build Aug 16 01:57:46 what the hell is --whatever-config-need? :D Aug 16 01:58:50 <|kb3gtn|> its a line meaning the author was to lazy to discribe what was really needed :-P Aug 16 01:59:09 that depends on the package you want to compile Aug 16 01:59:34 usually you can get a list of config-options by with ./configure --help Aug 16 02:01:30 ./configure --help Aug 16 02:03:51 oh so it's just some random OPTIONAL configure option(s) Aug 16 02:05:07 hey guys Aug 16 02:05:11 hoenoes Aug 16 02:05:16 :p Aug 16 02:05:19 i'm so pissed off with the phone anyway Aug 16 02:05:27 the battery life sucks, even with mwester's kernel Aug 16 02:05:42 and the ring doesn't really work. wonder what's wrong with pulseaudio OR alsa. Aug 16 02:06:11 when i need to charge my mobile all the time, when do i expect to take it out and make it work anyway Aug 16 02:06:26 the response from FIC has been pathetic. Aug 16 02:07:45 :( Aug 16 02:07:47 so ebay it and get on with your life Aug 16 02:07:48 YOu spoke with them? Aug 16 02:07:50 heh Aug 16 02:07:54 * rooly|away snickers Aug 16 02:08:02 * rooly|away points at the topic Aug 16 02:10:30 Dave: i can't get to talk with steve anyway. Aug 16 02:12:21 Battery life is very much a work in progress. Suspend works for some people in some images on freerunner, leading to >24h suspend times. It looks plausible from various sources of information and testing that 3-5 hours of talk time, 20h of mp3 playing, and a week of standby should be possible. Aug 16 02:14:48 when u gonna put it on ebay? Aug 16 02:14:56 any scratches? Aug 16 02:15:05 comon now Aug 16 02:15:36 u get mor anyways on evbbay Aug 16 02:16:34 Guilt: you did not buy it with the understanding that it was a stable package yet? Aug 16 02:18:20 nope. Aug 16 02:18:55 Guilt, it's open source software... you have a problem with it, go get the source and fix it :P Aug 16 02:19:19 s/was/was\ not/ Aug 16 02:19:19 SUNWjoejaxx meant: Guilt: you did not buy it with the understanding that it was\ not a stable package yet? Aug 16 02:19:59 ieatlint: you know what the funny thing is? Openmoko is fun for me in its broken/unstable state Aug 16 02:20:18 me too Aug 16 02:20:18 ieatlint: i think if it was stable it would be boring to me :P Aug 16 02:20:42 but it is the thrill of hacking on it and getting things to work Aug 16 02:20:46 i'm working on a snake game using an accelerometer, and i'm making a app that uses a nextbus backend so i can get bus arrival estimates on my phone Aug 16 02:20:50 building package for it etc Aug 16 02:20:56 ieatlint: nice Aug 16 02:21:26 ieatlint: seriously tho... Guilt has a point Aug 16 02:21:28 the latter of which i think breaks the terms of services by nextbus, so i may not release it Aug 16 02:21:29 u spend $400 Aug 16 02:21:34 and u espect iut to basically work Aug 16 02:21:38 i do know ists open source Aug 16 02:21:43 most oss u download for $0 Aug 16 02:21:51 so if it works at all - be amazed Aug 16 02:21:54 well, the hardware does work Aug 16 02:22:01 and that's what he paid for Aug 16 02:22:06 it did work with the 2007.2 Aug 16 02:22:07 the software is what needs work Aug 16 02:22:41 ieatlint: the hardware works for.. qualified limits Aug 16 02:22:49 ie the sd card rf interference vs gps Aug 16 02:22:52 sure - there is a workaround Aug 16 02:22:56 thats good for most stuff Aug 16 02:23:03 the audio quality is another Aug 16 02:23:12 will opkg kill my neo? Aug 16 02:23:18 but i do know what he means Aug 16 02:23:33 in terms of - he's a customer Aug 16 02:23:38 true enough, but if the software were perfect commercial grade, and the hardware had those problems with workarounds... your attitude would be different Aug 16 02:23:39 he bought what is marketed as a hpone Aug 16 02:23:50 and at leats it has the image of "it just has rough bits" Aug 16 02:23:50 eg Aug 16 02:23:59 i'd maybe think it'd crash once a day or so Aug 16 02:24:06 maybe some really out-there uses not work Aug 16 02:24:13 i'd EXPECt a basic wifi gui config Aug 16 02:24:24 basic sms and phone (incoming and outgoing) to work mostly reliably Aug 16 02:24:29 suspend/resume be pretty solid Aug 16 02:24:31 well, it sucks if you bought it thinking that... i spend 3 days at linuxworld telling people that if they were looking for a phone, the neo wasn't it Aug 16 02:24:38 of coruse you, and me - we are in the thikc of it Aug 16 02:24:41 we know the details Aug 16 02:24:46 but most peolpe who hear of it in the press Aug 16 02:24:48 read the website Aug 16 02:24:49 if they wanted a little linux computer with a gsm modem and unstable software... :P Aug 16 02:24:51 dont Aug 16 02:24:52 * rooly|away likes his freerunner phone Aug 16 02:25:00 they have an expectation bar that has not been met Aug 16 02:25:38 no way Aug 16 02:25:39 well, pc magazine did an article that using info from me that states it doesn't work as a phone really Aug 16 02:25:53 raster: the openmoko site doesn't say the phone is commercially ready yet, so anyone expecting a working phone either misread or didn't read closely enough Aug 16 02:26:02 coomac: i know it doesnt Aug 16 02:26:14 but it doesnt try and set expectations Aug 16 02:26:18 people see a phone Aug 16 02:26:19 that it works as a phone for *some* people is beyond the point Aug 16 02:26:20 its a phone Aug 16 02:26:23 they expect.. a phone Aug 16 02:26:44 the fact that so many people are annoyed says something Aug 16 02:26:47 ie its NOT made clear Aug 16 02:26:52 true Aug 16 02:26:52 its nebulous Aug 16 02:26:52 i do have to say the image that the website puts out is a bit misleading Aug 16 02:26:57 they expect a phone, but if android was released _right now_ it's going to have a lot of issues as well Aug 16 02:27:02 if u dig and research enough - u'll find out Aug 16 02:27:04 for the most part "they" know what they were getting to Aug 16 02:27:09 coomac: and true Aug 16 02:27:16 and thats just the problem Aug 16 02:27:17 in* Aug 16 02:27:18 its released Aug 16 02:27:19 on sale Aug 16 02:27:25 and expectations are at 7 Aug 16 02:27:28 delivery is at 3 Aug 16 02:27:41 the website doesnt firmyl say "expect a 3 - you wont get more" Aug 16 02:27:51 even iof right now the software is moving to a 4 or 5 Aug 16 02:27:59 i dunno Aug 16 02:28:00 always set expectations lower and OVER-deliver Aug 16 02:28:01 just because 1 person is not happy isnt a reason to ???? Aug 16 02:28:02 always Aug 16 02:28:10 linuxxr: its not 1 Aug 16 02:28:15 it's like getting beta software Aug 16 02:28:18 theres a steady stream of them Aug 16 02:28:18 :) Aug 16 02:28:35 there are alot of people in the world that don't do their homework Aug 16 02:28:36 the point is that delivery and expectations have a big fat gap Aug 16 02:28:40 the phone is there to give you the hardware to develop on Aug 16 02:28:43 doesn't make it the teachers fault when they fail Aug 16 02:28:43 what image does the Freerunner ship by default? Aug 16 02:28:55 raster: I see where you're coming from, but it's not openmoko's fault that people are so used to one way of thinking about products that they can't wrap their minds around the opensource method openmoko is using Aug 16 02:28:59 rooly|away, and those who made the mistake, sucks for them, sell it on ebay and maybe lose a few bucks Aug 16 02:29:12 ro indeed. but all it will result in is a bunch of peole walkign away going "fucked if i'm ever touching a linux phone again. they suck. linux is so unstable and useless" Aug 16 02:29:27 SUNWjoejaxx, gta02v5 shipped with 2007.2 "stable" from 4/28/08 Aug 16 02:29:35 so you build a bunch of burnt customers Aug 16 02:29:39 when they buy the thing it says in big letters what it is so they should have passed it up Aug 16 02:29:39 who of course tell their friends too Aug 16 02:29:41 who tell theirs Aug 16 02:29:42 i think the gta02v6 ships with a 2008.8 image Aug 16 02:29:42 ... Aug 16 02:29:44 raster: one thing tho, a very large part of the mobile market is moving to linux Aug 16 02:29:53 ieatlint: maybe they should install the image they recommend on the Q&A (ie Qtopia) Aug 16 02:30:07 ro i know Aug 16 02:30:11 rooly|away: i know Aug 16 02:30:12 :) Aug 16 02:30:16 i like the ro Aug 16 02:30:18 ti's cool Aug 16 02:30:21 SUNWjoejaxx, there's a big long thread on the mailing list about that methinks Aug 16 02:30:25 within 10 years linux will be the major os on mobiles - thats my bet Aug 16 02:30:28 ie > 50% Aug 16 02:30:45 i think the consensus is to not bother, you can flash it at home in 10min Aug 16 02:30:49 i just find it not good to build a set of "haters" or "burnt customers" early in the game Aug 16 02:30:51 if there was a 1 click method to change os that would work for those Aug 16 02:30:57 ieatlint: i think i wll have a look at the archives then, i believe i missed that thread Aug 16 02:31:09 its a cool nerd toy Aug 16 02:31:17 * rooly|away is a nerd Aug 16 02:31:18 a great "gsm + arm mini-computer" Aug 16 02:31:20 you are right Aug 16 02:31:26 it just needs to be heavily pushed as such Aug 16 02:31:26 let them sell it on ebat an proly make a hundred Aug 16 02:31:29 SUNWjoejaxx, would've been an old thread, was being discussed for the gta02v5 initial run Aug 16 02:31:40 ieatlint: oh wow Aug 16 02:31:55 ok Aug 16 02:31:56 food Aug 16 02:31:59 i tell the people who ask about my phone this: Aug 16 02:32:01 raster, really -- it's a mini-computer with a gsm modem on it Aug 16 02:32:05 take my fr with me and hope it keeps working Aug 16 02:32:06 :) Aug 16 02:32:07 it's more a hand-held desktop than a phone Aug 16 02:32:16 it's a "phone that can hack the CIA" Aug 16 02:32:20 ieatlint: i know - BUt ius not marketed or seen that way! Aug 16 02:32:35 * ieatlint shrugs Aug 16 02:32:45 it's fun Aug 16 02:33:05 and when people ask how stable it is or how well it works, my simple response is that i bring a spare nokia phone with me :) Aug 16 02:33:10 are there any bluetoothe apps yet? Aug 16 02:33:24 besides the btkb one Aug 16 02:33:30 which doesn't work on the current repo's anymore Aug 16 02:34:54 are there any telephone apps yet? Aug 16 02:35:14 that's a joke, right? Aug 16 02:35:34 looks like opkg upgraded me to 2008.814 Aug 16 02:36:12 hey linuxxr ! Aug 16 02:36:13 :) Aug 16 02:36:21 wassa Aug 16 02:36:28 nothing much Aug 16 02:36:43 locations maps to install Aug 16 02:37:07 meh Aug 16 02:37:13 the locations app is terrble Aug 16 02:37:25 diversity? Aug 16 02:37:37 uninstall Aug 16 02:38:12 i cant seem to get tango to find me Aug 16 02:38:34 did the gpsd setup? Aug 16 02:38:52 dont know Aug 16 02:39:42 opkg install gpsd Aug 16 02:39:45 semantic question: if a company's TOS says that you cannot use "screen scrapers" to automatically take information off their site, would this preclude me from using their xml backend? Aug 16 02:39:47 vi /etc/default/gpsd Aug 16 02:39:47 ok Aug 16 02:40:01 change /dev/ttySC to /dev/ttySAC0 Aug 16 02:40:02 because i'm not parsing html code... i'm using their own data source... hehe Aug 16 02:40:35 ieatlint: that policy is not enforcable in court Aug 16 02:41:00 well, that sounds worth betting my financial future on Aug 16 02:41:15 "but some guy on irc said it wasn't enforceable" :P Aug 16 02:41:20 haha Aug 16 02:41:37 a TOS is not the same as a copyright claim Aug 16 02:41:51 true enough, i suppose i would only risk being banned Aug 16 02:41:52 the most they can do is revoke your membership Aug 16 02:42:04 no membership :) Aug 16 02:42:20 and it would appear as a standard client using their approved software Aug 16 02:42:48 well... i'll see, i definitely am making this app for myself, but i may not release it Aug 16 02:43:10 a sound policy Aug 16 02:45:49 vi /etc/default/gpsd Aug 16 02:45:55 wat to do Aug 16 02:46:46 specify a non-NMEA driver Aug 16 02:47:31 GPSD_OPTS=?? Aug 16 02:47:32 no Aug 16 02:47:44 change /dev/ttySC to /dev/ttySAC0 Aug 16 02:47:54 ok Aug 16 02:47:56 (that's a zero, not an o) Aug 16 02:48:33 PS_DEV="/dev/ttyS3" Aug 16 02:49:11 whichever Aug 16 02:49:15 sory, ttyS3 Aug 16 02:49:18 ttySAC0 Aug 16 02:49:24 ok Aug 16 02:50:10 0 is GSM, ttySAC1 for GPS Aug 16 02:50:27 my bad Aug 16 02:50:32 put 1 then? Aug 16 02:50:35 yeah Aug 16 02:50:50 yeah Aug 16 02:50:58 my mistake, /dev/ttySAC1 Aug 16 02:51:14 ok Aug 16 02:51:19 done Aug 16 02:51:22 now turn on gps Aug 16 02:51:25 wait about a minute Aug 16 02:51:30 and load up tango Aug 16 02:55:48 linphone is done :-) Aug 16 02:55:49 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Archimedes Aug 16 02:56:02 It starts up, but I didn't check any further Aug 16 02:58:49 yeeea haaaa Aug 16 02:58:55 w Aug 16 02:59:08 ... Aug 16 02:59:45 so that wifi u were helping me with rooly **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 16 02:59:56 2008