**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 17 02:59:57 2008 Aug 17 03:00:11 evdo is the best, but you pay out your ass for it Aug 17 03:00:19 Sargun, wait for what? Aug 17 03:01:56 I would think that adding HSDPA support now might be difficult, unless OM releases an updated version Aug 17 03:02:18 hspda has no eta at all for an OM device Aug 17 03:02:24 they're hoping for edge in the gta03 Aug 17 03:02:56 for EDGE Aug 17 03:03:19 HSDPA wont come in to play Aug 17 03:03:22 for a couple yearsa Aug 17 03:03:35 That's a major bummer Aug 17 03:03:51 TankC, are you in the US Aug 17 03:03:55 yes Aug 17 03:04:31 Do you have HSDPA coverage Aug 17 03:05:05 Yeah, on my other phone I get between 1.5-2Mbit connection speeds Aug 17 03:05:34 hsdpa also has issues in that att uses one set of bands, tmobile-US uses another set, and the rest of the world uses a third set Aug 17 03:05:47 two versions of the phone is one thing :P Aug 17 03:06:12 hi ah anyone got gpsworking on the fr ? Aug 17 03:06:14 3 versions... with 3g only working in one specific US market or not in the US at all is ... difficult Aug 17 03:06:15 (on debian) Aug 17 03:06:31 i think i'm getting some data... will know if a few mins.. Aug 17 03:06:39 interesting Aug 17 03:06:39 so hah, take that rest of the world, we're screwing you over again! Aug 17 03:07:07 TankC, where are you, an airport? Aug 17 03:07:34 Sargun, I was getting those speeds in Berkeley, CA Aug 17 03:07:37 oh Aug 17 03:07:39 Wow. Aug 17 03:07:45 Are you in the bay area? Aug 17 03:07:51 On the 4th level of a dorm building Aug 17 03:07:57 Not currently Aug 17 03:07:58 i'm (cat /dev/ttySAC0 ) and its not working Aug 17 03:08:01 Ah. Aug 17 03:08:04 Where are you now Aug 17 03:08:09 he is stalking you Aug 17 03:08:17 dbmoodb_, you have to turn it on Aug 17 03:08:20 tahoe? Aug 17 03:08:22 in /sys first Aug 17 03:08:31 Sargun: you in the bay area? Aug 17 03:08:35 Fresno, CA... I'm also getting HSDPA here but it's about half of what I was getting in the bay area Aug 17 03:08:35 Sargun: i did that Aug 17 03:08:42 oh, no, fresno... how sad Aug 17 03:08:48 i'm sorry tankc Aug 17 03:08:53 I know :( Aug 17 03:09:13 ieatlint, possibly. Aug 17 03:09:19 Fresno sucks. Aug 17 03:09:21 i'm in sf Aug 17 03:09:26 I'm in east bay Aug 17 03:09:34 I hear sf gets shitty 3G reception Aug 17 03:09:35 TankC, you coming back down here any time soon? Aug 17 03:09:37 ah.. Aug 17 03:09:40 echo 1 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron Aug 17 03:09:56 TankC: seeing as tmo has no 3g reception outside of manhattan, i wouldn't know Aug 17 03:09:57 ieatlint, I commute to SJC daily Aug 17 03:10:05 Sargun, I'll be in Oakland the weekend of September 5th Aug 17 03:10:14 tsa? Aug 17 03:10:37 Transportation security agency? Aug 17 03:11:00 ieatlint: AT&T's 3G that is Aug 17 03:11:27 yeah, i'm just curious why you commute to the airport daily Aug 17 03:11:32 terrorist maybe? :P Aug 17 03:11:47 ieatlint: that would be to obvious Aug 17 03:11:55 i happen to have a DHS whistle in case... some DHS tech at linuxworld was handing them out Aug 17 03:12:00 he is doing illegal maffia related things Aug 17 03:12:11 there's no mafia in california Aug 17 03:12:12 this chat is now being logged by 20 government anti-terrorist servers Aug 17 03:12:46 I really wanted to go to linuxworld :( Aug 17 03:12:52 I enjoyed Google's IO conference Aug 17 03:12:55 TankC: damn right -- just wait till we get all the goodie linux kernel modules so we can really start hacking hardware Aug 17 03:12:58 ok, then i'll continue with my lecture on how you can smuggle liquid explosives onto planes by draining laptop li-ion batteries and refilling them Aug 17 03:13:01 that link up via usb Aug 17 03:13:21 ieatlint: .... why bother some dell's just explode Aug 17 03:13:23 ieatlint, I have seen tests where portable electronic devices Aug 17 03:13:32 have basically been blown up Aug 17 03:13:45 by either causing way too much back voltage, or shorts Aug 17 03:13:50 or some other interesting failures Aug 17 03:14:32 airport security is like a placebo effect Aug 17 03:14:43 it's more evident than it is effective... makes you feel safer Aug 17 03:15:06 not i Aug 17 03:15:09 ok, i need to go take a shower Aug 17 03:15:16 bbl Aug 17 03:15:22 i think of every single way i can muck up their "security" when i do see it Aug 17 03:15:34 rooly|away, me too. Aug 17 03:15:40 rooly|away, its probably not a good thing Aug 17 03:16:43 I was thinking the FR would be a great device for terrorists Aug 17 03:16:55 or the HXD8 Aug 17 03:17:25 I mean, the HXD8 - Aug 17 03:17:30 -Great GPS reception Aug 17 03:17:35 -Great GPRS reception Aug 17 03:17:43 -Free GPIOs Aug 17 03:17:46 -Lots of room Aug 17 03:17:50 -Lots of battery power Aug 17 03:17:54 kaboom? Aug 17 03:18:11 where are the latest uBoot images stored at? Aug 17 03:18:13 I mean, you could track someone, record their voice, and then blow them up. Aug 17 03:19:32 or do I need to compile them?> Aug 17 03:20:33 nm, found it Aug 17 03:20:37 where at? Aug 17 03:22:45 Well I thought I found it, but the wiki seems to be misleading again Aug 17 03:23:05 The latest bootloader binary builds can be found under http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/ in the subdirectory [device]/200808/[date]/. Aug 17 03:23:17 but the binaries for the bootloader are not there Aug 17 03:23:23 just the rootfs and kernel Aug 17 03:24:12 oh.. maybe they are Aug 17 03:24:16 just not under the latest data Aug 17 03:24:19 date Aug 17 03:24:36 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080812/ Aug 17 03:25:04 hmm Aug 17 03:25:10 neato. Aug 17 03:25:28 I'm guessing the gta2v# is the hardware revision? Aug 17 03:25:35 How do I tell what hardware revision I have? Aug 17 03:26:01 can /will somebody pastebin this file for me~~~~~~~~~> /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf? Aug 17 03:26:16 what goes inthere? Aug 17 03:26:36 for which distro? Aug 17 03:27:04 2008.8 Aug 17 03:27:50 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080812/openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.tar.gz Aug 17 03:27:55 download that and untar it Aug 17 03:27:58 should be there Aug 17 03:28:07 Oh... wait Aug 17 03:28:09 don't do that Aug 17 03:28:17 copy paste Aug 17 03:28:26 i can't even ping the qtopia OM over usb Aug 17 03:28:33 paste,bin will work for me Aug 17 03:28:42 what's the matter? :( Aug 17 03:28:42 its a conf file Aug 17 03:28:51 i borked it Aug 17 03:28:55 deever: first boot after flash? Aug 17 03:29:01 vi'd it Aug 17 03:29:09 AntonTakk: no Aug 17 03:29:22 deever: I couldn't do that either with FSO, I had to enable the usb0 connection within the console Aug 17 03:29:26 ifconfig usb0 up Aug 17 03:29:38 and then ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202 Aug 17 03:30:06 fso is too cool Aug 17 03:30:47 Yes, yes it is Aug 17 03:30:51 yes, fso is very nice Aug 17 03:31:10 I can't wait for SHR to come along Aug 17 03:31:13 in the zhone Aug 17 03:31:31 actually inspired me to finally pick up a python book :) Aug 17 03:31:37 big icons Aug 17 03:31:51 yea Aug 17 03:32:21 Does anyone know the easiest way to make python applications appear on the home menu for FSO? Aug 17 03:32:53 TankC: create an appropriate .desktop file for them in /usr/share/applications Aug 17 03:32:55 TankC: well, at least this is not the problem here... Aug 17 03:33:03 what are there no 2008.8 people here? Aug 17 03:33:04 i'll check the route Aug 17 03:33:29 can /will somebody pastebin this file for me~~~~~~~~~> /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf? Aug 17 03:33:37 TankC: line 133 of http://git.openembedded.net/?p=org.openembedded.dev.git;a=blob;f=packages/images/fso-image.bb;h=5495af9e1cef53e53f4d0700b002ceee948ca582;hb=HEAD Aug 17 03:33:39 2008.8 Aug 17 03:33:40 linuxxr: i'm about to leave qtopia (again, haven't really decided between fso and 2008.8 Aug 17 03:33:55 have u tried fso Aug 17 03:34:09 yeah, used it as my daily phone for a couple weeks Aug 17 03:34:15 ok Aug 17 03:34:29 i was gonna say go do it now Aug 17 03:34:42 some minor (mostly graphical) glitches, and very light on functionality atm, but good otherwise Aug 17 03:35:01 I'm making a twitter client for FSO Aug 17 03:35:06 The keyboard in FSO is the best of any so far, imho.. Aug 17 03:35:11 ooh Aug 17 03:35:23 QNX on the FR would be neat. Aug 17 03:35:25 i think 2008.8 is the best option even though it takes some more work Aug 17 03:35:28 or VxWorks Aug 17 03:35:34 I'm just sad the FR has no camera :/ Aug 17 03:35:40 Is there a good FSO image? Aug 17 03:35:41 TankC: i kinda wanted to start a pim app using ptthon-etk Aug 17 03:35:56 Sargun, Milestone II is the best Aug 17 03:35:59 Sargun: milestone 2 Aug 17 03:36:24 AntonTakk: that would be nice Aug 17 03:36:29 well buy a 5 meg camera an when the 15 meg cameras come out u will have saved yourself some moola Aug 17 03:36:36 ;) Aug 17 03:37:10 mpixels aren whats important Aug 17 03:37:14 TankC: the gta03 is planned (curently, anyways) to have a camera Aug 17 03:37:39 I'm wondering if I could hack a small webcam onto the device since the USB port supports host mode Aug 17 03:37:39 its optics. which needs physical space. which means: ther will not ever be a phone with a decent cam soon' Aug 17 03:37:59 my point exactly Aug 17 03:38:02 quality lenses just need to much diameter and thickness. Aug 17 03:38:03 linuxxr, They already have 15+ megapixel Aug 17 03:38:14 yea but do u? Aug 17 03:38:15 that's very strange...i've accidentally added an "Ethernet connection".. Aug 17 03:38:21 TankC: like the PSP camera? Aug 17 03:38:25 roh: maybe sooner than you think - seen where they made an image sensor modeled after the human eye - very good quality off very few mp Aug 17 03:38:28 I have a 12.8 Aug 17 03:38:30 baird: yes, very similiar Aug 17 03:38:39 mpixels isnt the importan think.. anything from 3-5mpixels and up is ok (with the more pixels even are worse sometimes when it comes to noise) Aug 17 03:38:47 wow Aug 17 03:39:10 ...at the same time i've removed this, the FR was pingable over usb! Aug 17 03:39:26 AntonTakk still a optics problem. and the human eye is nothing like a cam. even when you move it to a physical more similar model. the eyes 'scan' Aug 17 03:39:50 they wiggle and increase resolution by 'more noisy data samples' Aug 17 03:39:51 then, unfortunately, the whole system crashed! :o Aug 17 03:40:01 roh: yeah, they figured use the human inability to hold the phone absolutely still to replace the scanning Aug 17 03:40:04 freesmartphone.org: 03abraxa 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * re01949429bfd 10/opimd/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Aug 17 03:40:04 freesmartphone.org: Various cleanups Aug 17 03:40:04 freesmartphone.org: Break .PIM.Sources up into .Sources and .Source Aug 17 03:40:21 please post a file fore me Aug 17 03:40:36 AntonTakk so yes, with extreme powers of dsp signal processing you could propably replicate this, but that still would eat power like no mobile device can supply Aug 17 03:40:50 /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf 2008.8 Aug 17 03:40:53 anyone on fso / debian got the gps going -- mines being sending me nothnig for a bit now.. Aug 17 03:41:00 nice, i just plugged my headset into my phone, and my phone immediately died Aug 17 03:41:15 that's always nice Aug 17 03:41:16 heh Aug 17 03:41:19 roh: would only need to do it while taking the picture thou, a bad image is good enough to aim by Aug 17 03:41:24 AntonTakk but one would still need the 2-3cm diameter of optics (depth) Aug 17 03:41:53 its not only that. the eye is a dynamic optic.. it can focus things no cam can do currently Aug 17 03:41:58 mini usb dongle cam Aug 17 03:42:09 and has a very wide sensitivity range (think of tunnels) Aug 17 03:43:15 wait nevermind i'm an idiot its /dev/ttySAC1 not 0 Aug 17 03:43:21 so yes.. can be.. that some time a phone like the N95 in case-size could make decent pics... but now? not. cheap? not. chips and parts available in numbers for realistiv pricing? not. means we stay with simple default phone-cams for gta03 *sigh* Aug 17 03:43:29 and it works perfectly Aug 17 03:50:38 http://www.ezbuyworld.com/product_info.php?products_id=1404 Aug 17 03:50:58 does Qtopia support wifi? Aug 17 03:51:15 roh: i had no delutions of that type of cam in gta03, afaik no one is even talking about mass production yet, but still, if the tech can be shrunk enough to make it's single lense fit decently in a phone, it could work wonders Aug 17 03:51:35 benlake: not via gui as of the last time i tried Aug 17 03:51:36 howdy all Aug 17 03:51:50 AntonTakk just forget anything which isnt readly buyable now. Aug 17 03:52:23 even the omap from the beagleboard cannot be bought in numbers in the bugfixed revision at all yet. Aug 17 03:52:27 AntonTakk: awe. I heard something about the USB ethernet not there either? Aug 17 03:52:45 it only supports open networks (no encryption), but still is buggy Aug 17 03:52:59 hmm, qtopia seems to have locked up on the timezone setting screen Aug 17 03:53:12 benlake: i think you have to reboot it a time or two before usb net works (wierd, i know) Aug 17 03:53:24 is FSOm2 being updated? Aug 17 03:53:29 AntonTakk: fairnough Aug 17 03:54:27 pjz: trac.freesmartphone.org/roadmap current status always on that page :) Aug 17 03:57:39 does anyone know where the .eet map format comes from? Aug 17 03:58:14 i assume this is for tango or diversity? Aug 17 03:58:50 AntonTakk: well, sure, but are the repos that it points at being updated was my question Aug 17 03:59:13 we need the sdcard to be accesseble outside Aug 17 03:59:42 AntonTakk: yeah, i want to add maps of some cities Aug 17 04:00:04 the packages just contain files from http://people.openmoko.org/olv/diversity/20080430/ Aug 17 04:00:08 pjz: i'm really not sure Aug 17 04:00:09 but no clue on how they were made Aug 17 04:00:48 AntonTakk: nright now I've got qtopia in flash and FOm2 on sd card... is qtopia still 'stablest' for use as a real phone? or is 2008.8 there now? Aug 17 04:01:17 is there a way to install zsh or vim on the (qtopia) freerunner? Aug 17 04:01:34 pjz: personally, i found 2008.8/ASU/what ever stable and useable as of 7/15 Aug 17 04:01:56 deever: the angstrom feed has vim Aug 17 04:02:19 AntonTakk: oh? hmm.. I'll have to check that out Aug 17 04:03:07 Ah! Qtopia sees the SD card! Aug 17 04:03:19 excellent Aug 17 04:03:33 why does Om2008.8 fail me!? Aug 17 04:03:39 why not? Aug 17 04:03:50 pjz: huh? Aug 17 04:03:51 yay benlake ! Aug 17 04:04:57 ieatlint: yeah that is good news and bad :P Aug 17 04:05:05 i see nothing bad Aug 17 04:05:29 2008.8 is fucked up.. this we already know Aug 17 04:05:48 2008.8 works for me (though not testing calling, but did test sms) Aug 17 04:06:27 the microwave scared the cat Aug 17 04:06:40 uhm Aug 17 04:08:20 well, and soemtimes the screen never unblanks :) Aug 17 04:09:19 LetoTo, that was -really- random Aug 17 04:09:40 Sargun: eh? Aug 17 04:10:01 pjz: sorry...i'm on qtopia Aug 17 04:12:07 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8_Locations#Create_Offline_Maps would work i guess, assuming i could have wifi+gps working at the same time :) Aug 17 04:12:38 wow, qtopia is annoying :P stable, but annoying Aug 17 04:12:59 How stable is WiFi in FSO? Aug 17 04:13:00 * rooly|away is LOVING the illume keyboard Aug 17 04:13:09 oh, there is the keyboard :P Aug 17 04:13:19 with backspace, how nice Aug 17 04:13:50 benlake: all of the keyboards have backspace Aug 17 04:13:51 slide from right to left on the "default" keyboard to use backspace Aug 17 04:13:59 or hell, on the keyboard Aug 17 04:14:08 TankC: where it be on the pure letter board? Aug 17 04:14:29 TankC: with 2008.8 wifi scanning works, but i cannot seem to select any network (open or with wpa) Aug 17 04:14:39 benlake: like rooly said, swipe your finger from right to left across the keyboard Aug 17 04:14:42 rooly|away: didn't seem to work for me, it did a cut and paste Aug 17 04:14:49 * rooly|away sighs Aug 17 04:14:54 ... Aug 17 04:14:57 err Aug 17 04:15:07 rooly|away: sighing didn't work either :P but I'll give it another go Aug 17 04:15:29 anywho, anyone else have trouble with the dialer being really slow for the first 10 minuts or so after boot? Aug 17 04:16:09 rooly|away: I noticed that right now Aug 17 04:16:25 takes forever to acquire signal, too Aug 17 04:16:49 if you follow the wiki page for gprs, you can aquire a signal in less than 2 minutes Aug 17 04:16:56 i'm getting 10-30 seconds right here Aug 17 04:17:28 however, i'm going to test it first Aug 17 04:18:06 has anyone gotten SMS messaging to work with the fso? would getting a bleeding edge version work? i'm on milestone2 now Aug 17 04:19:17 anyone here who has the zsh running on the freerunner? Aug 17 04:21:15 maybe Aug 17 04:32:22 awww SHIT USB is no longer being recognized by my desktop Aug 17 04:33:10 Can the openmoko been updated with a windows box? Aug 17 04:33:17 Yes Aug 17 04:33:39 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util-windows Aug 17 04:34:13 TankC: are you running windows? Aug 17 04:34:18 No, Linux Aug 17 04:34:29 does dmesg say something about rejecting configurations? Aug 17 04:34:47 ieatlint: no, nothing shows up at all when I plug in the FR Aug 17 04:34:57 I'm tailing /var/log/messages right now Aug 17 04:35:08 but my UPS still shows up just fine when I plug/unplug it Aug 17 04:35:20 rebooted the FR, nothing Aug 17 04:35:28 df-utils isn't seeing it Aug 17 04:35:40 dfu-util* Aug 17 04:35:40 is it plugged into a hub or directly into the computer? Aug 17 04:35:46 directly into the computer Aug 17 04:35:58 that indeed sounds bad, heh Aug 17 04:36:08 try rebooting the desktop is all one could suggest Aug 17 04:36:08 I'm tempted to reload the drivers but my keyboard and mouse are USB Aug 17 04:36:14 yeah, I'll do that now Aug 17 04:36:16 brb Aug 17 04:36:28 * rooly|away needs to find a usb-micro usb converter Aug 17 04:36:51 usb-micro? who uses that even? Aug 17 04:39:39 http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8548 3 foot standard usb to microusb cable Aug 17 04:39:49 $6... not going to beat that Aug 17 04:39:53 NO!! on FR bootup I see a "usb0 -- no such device" Aug 17 04:40:47 ieatlint: iofast.com has $0.25 3ft usb->microusb cables Aug 17 04:41:30 impressive Aug 17 04:41:54 they might be more now... last time I used them was around a year ago Aug 17 04:42:33 i've never seen a device using them Aug 17 04:43:07 Thank god! Aug 17 04:43:11 It's FSO's fault Aug 17 04:43:39 I wonder if it doesn't like me mixing the latest kernel with the milestone 2 rootfs Aug 17 04:43:47 Blame the FSO! Aug 17 04:44:43 TankC: milestone 2 rootfs is not compatible with latest kernel, due to missing gadget usb modules Aug 17 04:44:58 blame updating the kernel and not the corresponding modules in the rootfs Aug 17 04:45:34 rwhitby: aha Aug 17 04:46:40 i mean a converter for a standard male usb jack to a standard fr-compatible jack Aug 17 04:47:20 that's miniusb Aug 17 04:47:25 miniusb Aug 17 04:47:26 sory Aug 17 04:47:28 *sorry Aug 17 04:47:35 i don't know the damned terminology Aug 17 04:48:15 Isn't it technically known as USB mini-C? Aug 17 04:48:33 oh, it's like everything else, there are 50 names for it Aug 17 04:48:37 Oh, that reminds me, I wanted to order the sparkfun pint glass Aug 17 04:48:52 usb mini-b 4pin Aug 17 04:48:56 don't think mini-c Aug 17 04:48:56 i'll just call it usb-fr Aug 17 04:49:11 they have a pint glass? nice... Aug 17 04:49:28 gawd Aug 17 04:49:29 so slow! Aug 17 04:49:32 ... Aug 17 04:49:32 i want to modify a usb hub to run off a li-ion battery :) Aug 17 04:49:36 http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8405 Aug 17 04:49:50 ieatlint, someone did that Aug 17 04:50:08 imperial pint is better :) Aug 17 04:50:11 i'm sure someone has Aug 17 04:50:33 but HE wants to do it Aug 17 04:50:45 finding a good usb hub to modify, a dc step for the 3.7v input that has enough amperage, and a case for it all is the issue Aug 17 04:51:10 if you build it, it will charge Aug 17 04:51:45 best i could find was a step that did 1A... would prefer 2A Aug 17 04:51:56 (using one of the massive li-ion batteries, hehe Aug 17 04:54:40 http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8668 perfect camera for the FR Aug 17 04:54:53 onboard compression, 1.3Mpix Aug 17 04:55:00 full datasheets available Aug 17 04:55:08 anyone here who has the zsh running on the freerunner? Aug 17 04:55:34 yes indeed, TankC Aug 17 04:56:02 TankC: the bus doesn't support it i seem to recall reading Aug 17 04:56:20 where? Aug 17 04:56:30 mailing lists Aug 17 04:56:58 All we need to do Aug 17 04:57:00 a camera? Aug 17 04:57:08 is make a nuclear reactor Aug 17 04:57:11 It can be done Aug 17 04:57:11 that can last 30 years Aug 17 04:57:17 cost $30 Aug 17 04:57:22 that's one of the main things people "scoff" at when they ask about my phone Aug 17 04:57:25 and fit a pencil eraser Aug 17 04:57:30 "it doesn't have a camera? what's the point?" Aug 17 04:57:43 rooly|away, I carry a Cannon G9 Aug 17 04:57:46 almost everywhere Aug 17 04:57:52 altho, i whip out my 7.5mp exilim Aug 17 04:58:07 and say, "nope, my phone doesn't have a crappy camera on it" Aug 17 04:58:09 whip it out, rooly Aug 17 04:58:16 i whip it out good Aug 17 04:58:33 anyway, that camera sounds all good, but bear in mind it has no real focus Aug 17 04:58:56 there's a lot more to a digital camera than it's picture size :P Aug 17 04:59:08 ieatlint: do you know when the discussion took place? Aug 17 04:59:11 and in which ml? Aug 17 04:59:38 hrm, in the qtopia dialer, what is meant by the "handset" under options during a call Aug 17 05:00:16 oh Aug 17 05:00:17 ok Aug 17 05:00:19 use a smoke alarm to produce power Aug 17 05:00:40 TankC: no, i don't recall Aug 17 05:00:55 but they were talking about that exact camera... search for "sparkfun" Aug 17 05:01:56 can the FR receive mms messages? Aug 17 05:02:46 it's a software issue Aug 17 05:03:02 so it can in theory, but i've no idea what the software support is Aug 17 05:03:12 you sure? most mms messages use the data connection Aug 17 05:03:16 in my experience Aug 17 05:03:37 anyone know where in proc i can find the curent battery charge status? Aug 17 05:03:51 it's in sys, not proc Aug 17 05:04:10 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs#power_supply_battery_information Aug 17 05:04:44 anyone get 2008.8 updates from zecke working? Aug 17 05:07:31 interesting, it does appear that a USB camera would be easiest Aug 17 05:07:38 pjz can i impose upon u to post a file from 2008.8 as i deleated mine? Aug 17 05:07:43 you find it tank? Aug 17 05:07:48 Yeah Aug 17 05:07:55 no i/o pins available Aug 17 05:08:04 I2C would be easy though Aug 17 05:08:15 ah... Aug 17 05:08:44 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-June/019578.html Aug 17 05:09:15 well... it does have io pins Aug 17 05:09:28 but they're being used for something else... I'm assuming the graphics chip Aug 17 05:09:45 among other things Aug 17 05:12:16 linuxxr: sure, what file? Aug 17 05:13:01 /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf Aug 17 05:14:47 flashing 2008.8 so i can have a decently working phone but still play with python and etk Aug 17 05:14:54 linuxxr: http://www.place.org/~pj/gta02/all-feed.conf Aug 17 05:15:04 of corse...hrm Aug 17 05:15:24 2008.8 doesn't have the fso dbus stuff Aug 17 05:15:25 AntonTakk: I'm going to run it off of Sd card for a day or two before flashing it to the default boot Aug 17 05:15:35 thanks Aug 17 05:19:08 linuxxr: np Aug 17 05:19:52 will the sdcard get corrupted? Aug 17 05:21:02 that would be bad Aug 17 05:21:20 wha? Aug 17 05:28:34 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16830190101&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Webcam-_-CP+TECHNOLOGIES-_-30190101 Aug 17 05:28:48 That looks like the best bet as far as a USB cam is concerned Aug 17 05:29:06 chop off the cable and replace with a mini-B connector Aug 17 05:29:23 and it's USB 1.1 Aug 17 05:31:39 if you're crafty.. might be able to squeeze it into the opening near the mic Aug 17 05:32:03 drill Aug 17 05:32:10 splice the wires into the usb connection and activate/deactivate with a switch Aug 17 05:32:30 maybe the cam head comes apart Aug 17 05:32:41 I'm sure it does Aug 17 05:33:57 Hmm... most webcams that come with laptops are recognized as USB devices Aug 17 05:34:25 I wonder if they use a chipset Aug 17 05:34:45 get a powered usb hub an leave it alone Aug 17 05:35:15 hehe Aug 17 05:36:16 whoa! Aug 17 05:36:17 http://usb.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=00434 Aug 17 05:37:12 slightly long though Aug 17 05:39:14 http://usb.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=00223&dept_id=015&cat_id=043 possibly that one too Aug 17 05:39:29 could be easily clipped to the side Aug 17 05:45:15 they have cute toy cams there too Aug 17 05:48:32 yeah Aug 17 05:48:52 the only thing that concerns me is that the camera specifically says on it USB 2.0 Aug 17 05:49:01 but the details list it as being 1.1 compatible Aug 17 05:49:10 so.. does it go into a fallback mode or something? Aug 17 05:51:02 I guess for $25 it might be worth it Aug 17 05:52:14 $25 is a bit much Aug 17 06:02:29 Hmm Aug 17 06:02:54 there seems to be a (small) amount of space under the back cover between the battery and USB port Aug 17 06:04:10 about 10x29mm Aug 17 06:09:40 scotch is a good remedy for when a cat scratches you, right? Aug 17 06:13:21 to drink or to put on the wound? Aug 17 06:13:56 drink Aug 17 06:14:00 Sure Aug 17 06:14:12 though it probably wouldn't hurt to put some on the wound Aug 17 06:14:16 clean it up a little Aug 17 06:14:18 heh Aug 17 06:14:36 done ... and now i really smell drunk Aug 17 06:15:00 mmm, now I want a beer Aug 17 06:15:02 brb Aug 17 06:15:09 beer good Aug 17 06:27:43 ok, for anyone else who managed to fuck up their uboot env, here's a backup of a good one: http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/u-boot_env.orig Aug 17 06:28:38 Heh Aug 17 06:29:09 ieatlint: do you know why the uboots are listed as gta02vX where X ranges between 1 and 5? Aug 17 06:29:23 yeah Aug 17 06:29:27 you want 5 Aug 17 06:29:50 they're different board revisions Aug 17 06:29:50 what do they stand for? Aug 17 06:29:50 v5 is what shipped in july Aug 17 06:29:54 Ahh, ok Aug 17 06:30:04 v1-4 were test boards Aug 17 06:30:18 and i as such presume they need slightly different u-boots Aug 17 06:30:38 anyway, you're v5 Aug 17 06:32:26 thanks Aug 17 06:32:33 cat /proc/cpuinfo .... "hardware gta02" .. "revision 0350" -- the 5 means v5 Aug 17 06:32:40 if it says 340, it's v4. etc Aug 17 06:32:48 Cool Aug 17 06:33:03 So I ended up buying 2 webcams Aug 17 06:33:19 one has a higher res, the other is failsafe usb 1.1 Aug 17 06:33:50 you should be able to take pictures, but you likely will not be able to stream video from the camera Aug 17 06:33:56 so it'll be shooting in the dark i bet Aug 17 06:34:11 in the sense, you won't know what will be in frame until the picture is taken Aug 17 06:35:02 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0019WCE66 Aug 17 06:35:08 Yeah, I don't expect to capture video Aug 17 06:35:21 I would like pictures, mainly Aug 17 06:35:55 heh, i installed debian on my phone, and now i'm wondering why i bothered Aug 17 06:36:01 does it really offer anything new? Aug 17 06:36:13 other than the 400mb footprint, that is Aug 17 06:36:20 Haha, other than a plethora of easily installable packages, I don't see the purpose Aug 17 06:36:29 most of those packages being impractical Aug 17 06:36:56 yeah, there wasn't a whole lot i felt missing before Aug 17 06:37:48 I wonder if I can fabricate a die to create a new back case Aug 17 06:37:55 what we need is a good browser Aug 17 06:38:06 i'm watching mobile mozilla... Aug 17 06:38:12 I wonder if microb would be useful Aug 17 06:38:17 and opera i know had an interest in making a special build for us Aug 17 06:38:20 (what the nokia N810 uses) Aug 17 06:38:55 http://browser.garage.maemo.org/ Aug 17 06:39:57 http://hg.mozilla.org/users/vladimir_mozilla.com/index.cgi/mozilla-qt Aug 17 06:41:50 milestone7 of mozilla mobile is due tuesday Aug 17 06:41:54 alpha one is due sept 9 Aug 17 06:42:38 Am I the only one who constantly get the "white screen of death" if I let my fso-image suspend? Aug 17 06:43:39 would it make you feel better if i said yes? Aug 17 06:43:48 ieatlint: Hehe, maybe Aug 17 06:43:49 perhaps you'd feel unique, special, one of a kind? Aug 17 06:43:54 :-P Aug 17 06:44:06 At least then it might just be my crappy build Aug 17 06:44:11 what version of fso? Aug 17 06:44:15 or did you build it yourself? Aug 17 06:44:22 Myself, yesterday Aug 17 06:44:31 Latests oe.dev branch Aug 17 06:44:51 this happened to anyone? http://www.mibbit.com/pb/R82tg7 Aug 17 06:46:01 mmaestri: you probably waited more than thirty seconds before typing your password Aug 17 06:46:07 and it dropped the connection Aug 17 06:46:16 mmaestri: try adding -v when you run that Aug 17 06:47:29 cjb: no, i didn't Aug 17 06:49:12 CM: I had all sorts of issue with my own built image of FSO Aug 17 06:49:30 USB networking not enabled, weird dropped calls, etc Aug 17 06:49:37 also built yesterday Aug 17 06:49:52 TankC: Ah, thanks Aug 17 06:49:59 cjb: take a look at this http://www.mibbit.com/pb/hrbDt7 Aug 17 06:50:09 TankC: I just disabled suspend for now Aug 17 06:50:38 mmaestri: there's no chance the FR has no available space, is there? Aug 17 06:51:06 CM: how? illume-config wasn't installed Aug 17 06:51:55 unless you built it yourself I suppose Aug 17 06:52:01 I just got fed up :) Aug 17 06:52:08 ieatlint: it has 25% free Aug 17 06:52:12 mmaestri: oh. that's messed up. Aug 17 06:52:24 yeah, you've got something weird going on there Aug 17 06:52:24 mmaestri: how about if you do a plain ssh? Aug 17 06:52:29 TankC: I used the settings in the top drop-down Aug 17 06:52:44 cjb: it works flawlessly Aug 17 06:52:47 but no i know you're in argentina, hah! Aug 17 06:53:06 mmaestri: okay, so there's an scp problem. try running scp on the phone? Aug 17 06:53:14 pretty odd. Aug 17 06:54:00 cjb: it worked Aug 17 06:54:04 from the phone Aug 17 06:54:35 i did root@om-gta02:/usr/share/applications# scp 192.168.0.200:/home/martin/.bashrc /home/root/ Aug 17 06:54:45 perhaps update openssh... if it's dated 10/07... Aug 17 06:54:51 damn smileys Aug 17 06:55:18 the smileys only show up for you in your client :P Aug 17 06:57:01 haha Aug 17 06:57:35 ieatlint: yes i know, but it sucks anyway Aug 17 06:58:02 mmaestri: let's just say i would highly recommend you look into updating your os ;) Aug 17 06:59:16 ieatlint: i think it is already updated Aug 17 06:59:36 ok :) Aug 17 06:59:37 i mean, it updates a lot, is ubuntu hardy Aug 17 06:59:50 i still kinda chuckle at debian is all Aug 17 07:00:12 http://xkcd.com/221/ hehehe Aug 17 07:05:53 Does anyone know how to quit numpty physics on the fso? Aug 17 07:06:05 kill it with fire Aug 17 07:06:14 seriously though Aug 17 07:06:20 why would you ever want to quit? :) Aug 17 07:06:41 Hehe Aug 17 07:06:47 Ok, how do I restart a level then? Aug 17 07:06:53 I drew a too big hammer Aug 17 07:07:09 dunno, I only ever played it on n800 Aug 17 07:07:09 Also, noticed the "remove" option in the top dropdown, that worked Aug 17 07:07:23 Works good i'd say Aug 17 07:11:34 CM: bring keyboard down...then type "r" Aug 17 07:12:12 undrwater: Ah, thanks :) Aug 17 07:12:19 np Aug 17 07:36:46 up echo nameserver 208.67.222.222 >/etc/resolv.conf Aug 17 07:36:46 up echo nameserver 208.67.220.220 >/etc/resolv.conf Aug 17 07:36:46 #up echo nameserver 192.168.0.200 >/etc/resolv.conf Aug 17 07:38:06 every since i added that to /etc/network/interfaces i cant ping internet Aug 17 07:38:54 linuxxr: try adding a space after > Aug 17 07:38:59 o Aug 17 07:39:03 and try dns 4.2.2.2 Aug 17 07:39:33 I just put in the opendns namservers Aug 17 07:39:40 nameservers* Aug 17 07:40:08 whats that? Aug 17 07:40:31 what's what :p Aug 17 07:41:14 opendns namservers Aug 17 07:41:14 nameservers* Aug 17 07:43:02 Our nameservers are 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220. Aug 17 07:43:09 https://www.opendns.com/start Aug 17 07:50:46 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss Aug 17 07:51:33 bummer Aug 17 07:51:47 i can ping me freerunner an ssh in to the freerunner but no internet Aug 17 07:52:15 routing problem on the host Aug 17 07:52:28 nameserver 208.67.220.220 Aug 17 07:52:41 i used the guide Aug 17 07:53:14 its a slacl 12 Aug 17 07:53:21 slack Aug 17 07:54:01 routing! Aug 17 07:54:14 linuxxr, can the FR ping the host? Aug 17 07:54:17 up echo nameserver 208.67.222.222 >/etc/resolv.conf Aug 17 07:54:19 does the host have SSH set up? Aug 17 07:54:40 put a space after ">" Aug 17 07:54:50 is that correct? Aug 17 07:54:51 routing, not dns Aug 17 07:55:06 oo Aug 17 07:55:06 iptables on host, masquerade Aug 17 07:55:44 i did the iptables command in the freerunner starting guide Aug 17 07:56:00 linuxxr: try pinging an ip address outside Aug 17 07:56:09 cant Aug 17 07:56:14 is there a way to move the clock from settings to the desktop? maybe via .desktop file? Aug 17 07:56:38 linuxxr: if you can ping 192.168.0.200, but can't ping an outside address, then it's a routing problem on the host Aug 17 07:57:13 do it from the freerunner console right? Aug 17 07:57:48 i can Aug 17 07:58:31 hi Aug 17 07:58:43 iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 Aug 17 07:58:43 sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 Aug 17 07:58:43 ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 Aug 17 07:58:51 so i did this Aug 17 07:59:11 my lan is at 192.168.1.1 Aug 17 07:59:29 router* Aug 17 08:01:11 linuxxr, can you post the answer of "iptables-save" Aug 17 08:02:29 http://pastebin.com/d3a1485c4 Aug 17 08:07:47 http://pastebin.com/d46c63515 Aug 17 08:08:57 line 27 28 29 are the spaces at> /etc/resolv/conf cerrect? Aug 17 08:09:43 Wonka Aug 17 08:09:45 you there? Aug 17 08:10:12 sargun? Aug 17 08:11:21 Wonka: somebody on the community list is looking for an implementation of agps, but i lost your url Aug 17 08:11:36 lines 23 an 25 are duplicate Aug 17 08:12:35 typocopy Aug 17 08:12:59 up echo nameserver 208.67.222.222 > /etc/resolv.conf Aug 17 08:13:19 is that space supposed to be in there? Aug 17 08:13:35 > /etc Aug 17 08:13:43 or not Aug 17 08:14:40 new fso feeds: http://shr.bearstech.com/ Aug 17 08:16:41 linuxxr: looks correct to me Aug 17 08:18:00 that space? Aug 17 08:18:38 reason i ask is that the wiki had no spaces there Aug 17 08:19:05 it doesn't matter Aug 17 08:20:00 so what on the host would stop me Aug 17 08:20:42 /etc/hosts Aug 17 08:21:05 # For loopbacking. Aug 17 08:21:05 127.0.0.1 localhost Aug 17 08:21:05 127.0.0.1 monster.org monster Aug 17 08:21:05 192.168.0.202 openmoko Aug 17 08:21:34 linuxxr: what's your problem at all? Aug 17 08:21:53 no ssh to your freerunner? Aug 17 08:21:53 linuxxr, yeah Aug 17 08:22:00 sorry, I was in the shower Aug 17 08:22:04 cant ping internet Aug 17 08:22:28 linuxxr, from your OM? Aug 17 08:22:34 err, your OM phone Aug 17 08:22:35 yes Aug 17 08:22:42 wanna do an iptables -t -L -v -n Aug 17 08:22:43 is this the /etc/hosts of your OM? Aug 17 08:22:52 wanna do an iptables -t nat -L -v -n Aug 17 08:23:01 no the slack machine Aug 17 08:23:21 do an "ip route" on the OM Aug 17 08:23:24 what does it say Aug 17 08:23:56 192.168.0.0/24 dev usb0 src 192.168.0.202 Aug 17 08:23:56 default via 192.168.0.1 dev usb0 Aug 17 08:26:16 and the iptables thing Aug 17 08:26:42 is the org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM not implemented yet in FSO? Aug 17 08:26:52 from host right? Aug 17 08:27:54 uhm Aug 17 08:27:54 ya Aug 17 08:28:16 http://pastebin.com/d3cb97450 Aug 17 08:32:15 linuxxr, nc -u 75.101.13.24 7779 Aug 17 08:32:19 from the OM Aug 17 08:32:23 and hit enter a few times Aug 17 08:32:40 what will that do? Aug 17 08:32:53 it'll let me see traffic Aug 17 08:33:12 u not gonna root kit me are u? Aug 17 08:33:23 lolol Aug 17 08:33:26 I'm nice. Aug 17 08:33:31 please dont Aug 17 08:33:36 thanks Aug 17 08:33:41 Ok. Aug 17 08:33:43 Did you? Aug 17 08:33:45 do it? Aug 17 08:33:51 on host: "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" Aug 17 08:33:54 lalalal Aug 17 08:33:55 * Sargun wait Aug 17 08:33:56 s Aug 17 08:34:11 i did Aug 17 08:34:15 nc -u 75.101.13.24 7779 Aug 17 08:34:34 3 times Aug 17 08:35:18 cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Aug 17 08:36:16 says what? Aug 17 08:36:28 nothing Aug 17 08:36:33 did you hit enter after you ran the nc command Aug 17 08:36:39 what does the second comamnd say Aug 17 08:36:40 yes Aug 17 08:37:00 cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Aug 17 08:37:02 yes? Aug 17 08:37:04 again Aug 17 08:37:10 what did it respond with Aug 17 08:37:31 just went straight to prompt Aug 17 08:37:34 uhm Aug 17 08:37:36 wtf. Aug 17 08:37:42 did you compile your kernel? Aug 17 08:37:48 naa Aug 17 08:37:49 echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Aug 17 08:38:05 now try to ping Aug 17 08:38:33 those commmands from host right? Aug 17 08:39:39 ahh i logged out Aug 17 08:39:43 plo90 Aug 17 08:39:55 yeah... Aug 17 08:39:57 plo90? Aug 17 08:39:59 lol Aug 17 08:40:04 pass Aug 17 08:40:08 haha Aug 17 08:40:09 hahaaha Aug 17 08:40:29 pass Aug 17 08:40:39 no ping Aug 17 08:40:55 74.125.19.147 ping statistics --- Aug 17 08:40:55 5 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss Aug 17 08:40:59 uhm Aug 17 08:41:01 great. Aug 17 08:41:07 your distro sucks, replace it Aug 17 08:41:11 ll Aug 17 08:41:24 12,1 Aug 17 08:41:47 ? Aug 17 08:42:03 i need to upgrade Aug 17 08:54:02 * kd8ikt starts farting with nfs Aug 17 09:08:54 getting an alcohol buzz isn't as much fun when you have to stay up and it wears off... Aug 17 09:08:55 so sad Aug 17 09:09:57 I know :( Aug 17 09:18:01 I don't *have* to stay up....I just have an obsession. "My name is William, and I am a Openmokoholic" Aug 17 09:18:35 sn Openmokoholic Aug 17 09:18:44 an Openmokoholic Aug 17 09:20:00 got someone wicd working? I could manage to install and to start it. It shows my network but if I wanna connect I just get shown: "Putting interface down.." and nothing happens after that anymore Aug 17 09:20:13 good morning * Aug 17 09:21:09 hi cga Aug 17 09:21:18 hey Rorschach Aug 17 09:23:25 Infoport, I am to a mokoholic. Aug 17 09:23:50 good morning Aug 17 09:23:57 I'm still in denial Aug 17 09:24:24 (I lie to friends and family about how much time I spend on it) Aug 17 09:25:11 sevenhundred, i wish i had this luxury, i don't even have a moko, nothing to lie about. i just spend all of time on refreshing the moko store hoping it will be out ):) Aug 17 09:25:39 TAsn: that would be a good idea to lie about :P Aug 17 09:25:56 :) Aug 17 09:26:57 you're in preemptive withdrawal Aug 17 09:27:13 :P Aug 17 09:29:20 mmm, i just formatted my Windows partition to make enough space for building Openmoko from scratch Aug 17 09:29:41 Hoora! Aug 17 09:30:03 Cool! Aug 17 09:30:14 :) Aug 17 09:30:25 to be fair, i've just my Windows boot about once Aug 17 09:30:32 s/just/used/ Aug 17 09:30:57 Weiss meant: to be fair, i've used my Windows boot about once Aug 17 09:31:09 apt: botsnack Aug 17 09:31:13 :) Aug 17 09:31:13 CM: :) Aug 17 09:31:57 At first I thought people were just being overly geeky with the ed jargon :P Aug 17 09:32:00 Weiss: How many gb space? It takes quite a lot to build it all.. Aug 17 09:33:14 i've freed up over 40Gb .. Aug 17 09:33:26 Heh, no problem then :) Aug 17 09:33:51 i'm expecting it to use something in the region of 12 Gb (from the OE and OM wikis) Aug 17 09:34:40 rm_work doesn't actually do the useful thing i thought it did, so there's no way to avoid having so much space taken up Aug 17 09:34:59 10-15 gb for me, usually Aug 17 09:37:35 Ha, the kernel module for the Trace vibrator is included.. Aug 17 09:38:17 (The first phone to provide that feature..?) Aug 17 09:40:44 baird: ...that just sounds rude to me ;) Aug 17 09:40:57 (not disagreeable at all, but rude none the less ;) ) Aug 17 09:47:25 stupid sobering up... now i need to go drive drunk people home from a concert :( Aug 17 09:48:08 baird, maybe someone should sell the FR as a very expensive adult sex to Aug 17 09:48:09 toy Aug 17 09:48:24 Illegal in Alabama... Aug 17 09:48:38 the vibrator isn't that strong, however it would be a pretty bizarre toy Aug 17 09:48:52 ieatlint, it wouldn't require that much modification to make it stronger Aug 17 09:48:53 remote controlled and tracks exactly where you are with gps? that's kinky and creepy Aug 17 09:49:39 Sargun: the vibrator on it is weak, it's not an issue of more power, it's an issue of a better motor and weight thingy Aug 17 09:49:47 yeah Aug 17 09:49:55 you could replace it with a large one Aug 17 09:49:59 strip out GPS (maybe?) Aug 17 09:50:04 and you could do it. Aug 17 09:50:20 remote control vibrator Aug 17 09:50:22 hmmm, the battery would die quickly, you'd have to use like usb for power Aug 17 09:50:35 usb powered vibrator Aug 17 09:51:19 when it comes down to it, there are better things :P Aug 17 09:51:48 you could have a similar effect with an arduino, and it would use less power overall and not have the hardware that'd be useless to you Aug 17 09:52:11 could also tack on a larger battery... 6A+ Aug 17 09:52:11 Or... a battery Aug 17 09:52:53 there is a reason we made a #openmoko-offtopic Aug 17 09:53:35 Butbutbut... i'm out of channels! ;) Aug 17 09:54:00 Is there a way to make qemu use gta02 compiled rootfs images? Aug 17 09:54:13 yes but it requires some tweakery Aug 17 09:54:20 is there a guide? Aug 17 09:54:43 or could you explain? :) Aug 17 09:55:02 what's the reason? Aug 17 09:55:12 build/qemu/openmoko/env Aug 17 09:55:20 I don't want to compile my rootfs images twice Aug 17 09:55:21 arguably we were still talking about the freerunner, and alternate uses for it Aug 17 09:55:25 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Using_QEMU_with_MokoMakefile Aug 17 09:55:37 kd8ikt: done Aug 17 09:56:03 but when I run "make flash-qemu-local" I get errors telling me it's looking for gta01 Aug 17 09:56:12 If I were into vibrators, I'd prefer one with linux on it Aug 17 09:56:56 i made a script that randomizes the vib and leds Aug 17 09:56:58 sevenhundred: Tux-shaped? Aug 17 09:58:04 hehe Aug 17 09:58:19 * sevenhundred makes the compolsury libsexy joke Aug 17 09:58:26 Makemokomofo Aug 17 09:58:40 ahh.. libsexy Aug 17 09:58:48 i remember being so confused when i saw it being installed Aug 17 09:59:04 kd8ikt: you're so cool Aug 17 09:59:19 s/compolsury/compulsory Aug 17 09:59:47 clearly openmoko is overlooking the ever-growing adult sex toy market Aug 17 10:00:17 linux and gsm based sex toys have yet to gain wide acceptance.... it's only a matter of time Aug 17 10:00:27 ø:P Aug 17 10:00:44 ieatlint, tentacool :p Aug 17 10:00:46 i'm sure we'll all be looking forward to that booth at the next convention Aug 17 10:00:51 vibrate your g/f when she's at work via GSM Aug 17 10:01:09 that's actually pretty bad Aug 17 10:01:14 maybe combine it with thumbtribes? Aug 17 10:01:17 unless they fix the interference problem Aug 17 10:01:32 she'll get an orgasm while other electronic devices around her explode Aug 17 10:01:34 :P Aug 17 10:02:10 Dave: we can say it's a feature Aug 17 10:02:23 bah -_- Aug 17 10:02:28 the vibrator starts if you're within 1 km of another freerunner user Aug 17 10:02:29 Meanwhile... Aug 17 10:02:34 Who stole my audio device!? Aug 17 10:02:38 * amarsh04 goes for ☕ Aug 17 10:02:38 ok, and on that note, i'm off to drive drunk people home Aug 17 10:02:42 bbl Aug 17 10:05:21 heh Aug 17 10:06:21 * Dave blames glamo for everything Aug 17 10:06:31 Zorkman: it is on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_GPS Aug 17 10:07:22 ~_~ Aug 17 10:07:23 STOP DOING THAT! Aug 17 10:11:48 ~_~ Aug 17 10:11:49 STOP DOING THAT! Aug 17 10:11:53 hehe. Aug 17 10:12:02 -_- Aug 17 10:12:02 I wonder if I could flood it off. Aug 17 10:12:14 ~lart Sargun and Dave Aug 17 10:12:14 * apt pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps Sargun and Dave Aug 17 10:12:26 ~rlart Aug 17 10:12:27 * apt puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at jOERG_zzZZzz Aug 17 10:12:29 * Dave beats Sargun with a large apt Aug 17 10:12:33 HEY Aug 17 10:12:38 Leave Joerg alone :( Aug 17 10:12:45 ~rlart Aug 17 10:12:46 * apt throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at flaushy Aug 17 10:13:20 for idiots in $(#openmoko); do /ban $idiots ; done Aug 17 10:14:40 i'm gonna try doing some native compiling Aug 17 10:15:07 made an NFS mount and am installing tons of dev/gcc stuff to it Aug 17 10:15:56 heh Aug 17 10:16:17 I'm still trying to figure out where my audio device has gone. Aug 17 10:16:22 Jamaica Aug 17 10:16:41 just for info: the newest packages from the zecke feed this morning are fixing the no-pin-dialog bug Aug 17 10:16:42 No Aug 17 10:18:51 bumble :) Aug 17 10:18:54 thats a new bug to me Aug 17 10:19:11 Which one? :p Aug 17 10:19:31 do you really have to ask? Aug 17 10:19:42 with 2008.8 and inserted SD-Card no pin dialog appeared for some people like me Aug 17 10:20:07 qpe was going in an endless loop accessing the sd-card and prevented the showing of the pin-dialog Aug 17 10:20:37 oh i dont use pin junk Aug 17 10:21:35 kd8, how's your room look now? :P Aug 17 10:22:38 pretty good Aug 17 10:23:24 nice Aug 17 10:23:29 and your wall with holes in it? :P Aug 17 10:23:37 i can actually run around barefoot without stepping on bottlecaps and screws and misc sharp objects Aug 17 10:23:39 lol, didn't know he had hole sin his wall :) Aug 17 10:23:48 hi Davy Aug 17 10:24:01 * rwhitby adds 1233 new packages to http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ipk/ Aug 17 10:24:02 kd8, scary Aug 17 10:24:10 Hallo :) Aug 17 10:25:36 nice going rwhitby Aug 17 10:26:23 hehe, I got a torx 6 screwdriver Aug 17 10:27:24 * Zorkman wonderes why openmoko didn't use "normal" screws Aug 17 10:27:47 torx keep the idiots form opening it Aug 17 10:27:47 because that's uncool Aug 17 10:27:58 but still very much accessible to most Aug 17 10:29:25 torx is a defacto-standard for many hardware-devices, so nothing special about it Aug 17 10:29:46 right Aug 17 10:29:56 now if it was some sort of reverse torx that would be below the belt Aug 17 10:30:09 haha Aug 17 10:30:12 kinky Aug 17 10:31:03 like you know how/why all wifi devices have RP-SMA and RP-whatevers Aug 17 10:31:47 Also because small torx screws are easier to (un)screw without completely buggering up the head ;) Aug 17 10:31:54 (i find) Aug 17 10:32:26 yeah its kind of tough to strip a torx Aug 17 10:32:55 leinir: you are totally right; torx rocks Aug 17 10:34:27 * Zorkman will have to buy some torx Aug 17 10:35:34 I had torx screw drivers ranging from 10 to 20 at home but no t6 Aug 17 10:36:05 i'm lucky enough to have a well-stocked boyfriend, made it a bit easier :) Aug 17 10:37:31 haha, I just tried to go to downloads.oprnmoko.org by accident Aug 17 10:37:38 kd8ikt, idea? :P Aug 17 10:38:13 * bumbl sighs Aug 17 10:38:35 bloody kde-devel Aug 17 10:38:48 * sevenhundred hasn't even heard of torx before, but likes the name Aug 17 10:38:54 haha, agreed! Aug 17 10:39:04 sevenhundred, it's kind of dumb, but hey, it works. Aug 17 10:39:20 at least it's not screwz or something like that :p Aug 17 10:39:33 Dave: what, the name or the thing? Aug 17 10:39:36 though it does sound like something developed by an independent skateboard company Aug 17 10:39:39 the name Aug 17 10:40:18 sevenhundred: star-shaped screws instead of hex Aug 17 10:40:20 I like it. It reminds me of crappy foodstuff from Germany Aug 17 10:40:33 hehe Aug 17 10:42:21 cm: yeah, I saw on wikipedia Aug 17 10:43:07 sevenhundred: You have another name for them in germany? Aug 17 10:43:48 CM: no, in german they are called torx too Aug 17 10:43:55 in germany they just shout "OFFEN MACHEN3 at any screw and it works Aug 17 10:44:01 Same in sweden Aug 17 10:44:04 Zorkman: Hehe Aug 17 10:44:09 same in belgium Aug 17 10:44:22 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * ra1584d921752 10/odeviced/src/ (daemon/helpers.vala plugins/input/input.vala): Aug 17 10:44:22 freesmartphone.org: do not pass cleansed node as a sysfs node to plugin constructors. Fixes Aug 17 10:44:22 freesmartphone.org: correct path in LED plugin Aug 17 10:44:23 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rc5f25d8241cf 10/opimd/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:openmoko-gsoc2008 Aug 17 10:44:48 But we call hex screw drivers for "insektsnycklar", "insect keys" :) Aug 17 10:45:05 hehe, nice Aug 17 10:54:52 SpeedEvil: FATAL: Error inserting snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753 (/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/sound/soc/s3c24xx/snd-soc-neo1973-wm8753.ko): No such device :'( Aug 17 10:58:33 \o/ Aug 17 10:58:35 Joergs Aug 17 10:59:52 damn freerunner better boot and give me my bleeping sound Aug 17 11:03:40 guh Aug 17 11:04:18 Broken Audio. Aug 17 11:04:33 cm: I'm not from Germany, I'm from Sweden Aug 17 11:04:34 what for sound? my freerunner never made a sound while booting?? Aug 17 11:05:00 moin. Aug 17 11:05:24 just got my debian-sdcard trashed... Aug 17 11:05:30 sweet Aug 17 11:05:34 how? Aug 17 11:05:51 eartoast: suspend&resume and then it was broken Aug 17 11:05:52 ? Aug 17 11:05:54 the oh-so-famous suspend Aug 17 11:05:57 yep Aug 17 11:06:04 killed the partition table Aug 17 11:06:14 eartoast: rewrite it, data should still be there Aug 17 11:06:36 hehe suspend didn't broke my PT until now but I always get the white-screen-of-death.. Aug 17 11:06:59 is there any proper solution in terms of a new kernel version for this problem? Aug 17 11:07:18 eartoast: I'm also waiting for a new kernel.. Aug 17 11:07:52 off to look for some old liveCD Aug 17 11:09:22 Has anyone got Gestures working on a buildserver image ? specifically I have an 080814 image, gestures installed and training seems to work, but can't get screen orientation to work. Anyone ? Aug 17 11:12:55 btw: why is the debian-install script giving "fat32" partition type to a 8MB partition?! Aug 17 11:13:10 boot Aug 17 11:13:48 for an 8M partition, fat16 should be more appropriate... Aug 17 11:14:02 probably Aug 17 11:14:25 yell at the "official debian openmoko people" Aug 17 11:14:39 or modify the script Aug 17 11:14:44 how to rotate in qtopia? Aug 17 11:15:12 same as anyother? if it supports xrandr -o left Aug 17 11:15:17 eartoast: does it really matter? Aug 17 11:16:27 eartoast: please test with fat16 and send email to nomeata Aug 17 11:16:49 just cross-asked in the -cdev channel Aug 17 11:18:52 yes, makes it very easy to answer :P Aug 17 11:32:05 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r0291d24e6e7d 10/html/index.html: index.html: typo Aug 17 11:32:06 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r43ae86471356 10/ousage/org.freesmartphone.Usage.xml.in: ousage: start documenting org.freesmartphone.Usage. Aug 17 11:32:06 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r9f8e83465c9a 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add org.freesmartphone.Usage.html Aug 17 11:33:57 mickeyl: FSO rocks, thanks :-) Aug 17 11:34:16 thanks, glad it's of use Aug 17 11:34:38 we have all been working hard the last months for it Aug 17 11:34:42 (framework team, that is) Aug 17 11:34:47 Built it yeserday, works great Aug 17 11:34:58 (except the white screen of death after a suspend..) Aug 17 11:35:17 ya, suspend/resume is still flaky, but that's kernel's responsibility :( Aug 17 11:35:20 Looks very neat, and I really like the keyboard Aug 17 11:35:24 *nod* Aug 17 11:35:52 Still, everything has come a long way since this time last year :) Aug 17 11:37:28 oh yeah Aug 17 11:38:01 given that framework really started in April/May or so, i'm amazed by the progress Aug 17 11:38:26 It feels a lot more solid to use compared to 2007.2 Aug 17 11:38:52 ASU never worked that good on my gta01, so can't say much about it Aug 17 11:39:07 ya, that's because what's underneath is really good. now the UI is disputable and there will be a lot of development directions ui-wise, but that's ok as long as all use the solid framework services Aug 17 11:39:46 Quick question, what's those letter below the battery meter? Aug 17 11:39:57 in zhone Aug 17 11:40:06 b G1 w s Aug 17 11:40:21 First it says "no dbus", then I get that line above Aug 17 11:40:36 CM: bluetooth, gsm, wireless and gps Aug 17 11:40:43 capital means it is powered on Aug 17 11:40:51 the number indicates how many programs use it Aug 17 11:41:00 Zorkman: Ah, thanks. Cool :) Aug 17 11:41:10 np, today i'm giving out free information :) Aug 17 11:41:18 Hehe Aug 17 11:41:30 Just need to get that gllin binary on there too to try tangogps Aug 17 11:50:44 I'm still exploring stacks, looked at 2007.2, FSO a couple of weeks back, Qtopia currently flashed and have been playing with buildserver qtopia-x11 off my SD card. Is the most recent FSO considerably different ? Aug 17 11:52:26 * hipitihop also tried 2008.8 release Aug 17 11:53:04 hipitihop: I only have a Neo1973, and a few weeks ago the FSO didn't work so well Aug 17 11:53:23 But now it does :) Aug 17 11:54:08 CM, GSM reliable ? Aug 17 11:54:25 hipitihop: Has been so far, haven't tried to send an sms yet Aug 17 11:54:40 but send receive ok Aug 17 11:54:46 Yes Aug 17 11:54:49 sorry, call & receive Aug 17 11:55:03 Guessed that was what you meant :) Aug 17 11:55:04 wifi ? Aug 17 11:55:11 None on the GTA01 Aug 17 11:55:29 I have the old dev-phone, not a freerunner Aug 17 11:56:06 CM, understand. So when you say "now it does" is this some recent build of FSO ? Aug 17 11:56:37 Yes, built it yesterday evening from the latest oe.dev branch Aug 17 11:56:59 So only been testing/playing with it today Aug 17 11:57:44 CM, aah... I assume when you say build you mean from source, is there a rootfs and bin I can put on SD or do I have to build also Aug 17 11:58:05 * hipitihop thinks maybe he should stop bothering CM and go look on the site Aug 17 11:58:09 I think there are builds for the Freerunner somewhere Aug 17 11:58:20 Hehe Aug 17 11:59:12 hipitihop: http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D Aug 17 11:59:41 That's all gta02 Aug 17 12:00:46 CM, many thanks... looks like it's time to prepare anothe SD card :-) Aug 17 12:00:56 Hehe, good luck Aug 17 12:01:05 * CM is off to visit relatives Aug 17 12:02:10 hipitihop: Wait, check out http://shr.bearstech.com instead Aug 17 12:02:19 hipitihop: and thank rwhitby ;) Aug 17 12:03:15 CM: yep, that site has gta01 and gta02 and builds task-openmoko-feed Aug 17 12:03:36 rwhitby: Just noticed. Thank you :) Aug 17 12:03:37 Rockin' Aug 17 12:04:33 * rwhitby thinks bearstech is pretty smart making space for the fso feeds, and getting free publicity for their shop ... Aug 17 12:04:42 what's the difference between the regular jffs2 and jffs2.summary images? Aug 17 12:05:05 summary loads faster at boot time, no other difference after that Aug 17 12:05:14 CM & rwhitby thanks, checking now Aug 17 12:05:22 Ah Aug 17 12:12:33 rwhitby, the bearstech has modules-2.6.24------gta02.tgz do you know if this is the rootfs or something else ? looks too small Aug 17 12:13:03 it is the modules tarball Aug 17 12:13:35 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rdb1b4110f250 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py: Aug 17 12:13:35 freesmartphone.org: odeviced: simplify idlenotifier state machine and fix '0' specifying that a state will never be reached (except Aug 17 12:13:35 freesmartphone.org: programmatically) Aug 17 12:13:53 CM: did you tried shr? Aug 17 12:14:17 so no rootfs.tgz avail. I guess I'll have to flash instead of put on SD Aug 17 12:14:46 hipoitihop: you can convert jffs2 to tgz Aug 17 12:17:12 malik1972, ok checking wiki for instructions, thanks Aug 17 12:18:44 hipitihop: next build will do .tar.gz for rootfs Aug 17 12:20:58 rwhitby, excellent thanks, target date ? Aug 17 12:25:11 hipitihop: there is a skript doing that job Aug 17 12:26:21 hipitihop: http://pastebin.ca/1175870 Aug 17 12:31:27 malik1972, thanks Aug 17 12:40:02 hipitihop: target date, about 10 minutes Aug 17 12:43:42 * hipitihop nods Aug 17 12:46:31 * torindel yawns Aug 17 12:46:33 moin all Aug 17 12:50:15 hipitihop: gta01 .tar.gz is up, gta02 will follow shortly Aug 17 12:51:04 coolies Aug 17 12:52:10 rwhitby, too efficient Aug 17 12:52:39 gta02 is up now too Aug 17 12:53:38 * rwhitby will need to set up a crontab tomorrow to do this all automatically Aug 17 12:54:11 hi Aug 17 12:54:28 woohoo Aug 17 12:54:43 where can I get .ipk files fore these games: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User%27s_Manual/Games ? Aug 17 12:54:53 mthanks for that rwhitby Aug 17 12:55:11 its task-games or something like that Aug 17 12:55:24 opkg list |grep game should pop it up Aug 17 12:57:01 ok this list some games, but none of them of the page. Aug 17 12:58:21 someone should add all those task-openmoko-*'s to task-openmoko-feed ... Aug 17 13:05:04 what's task-openmoko? Aug 17 13:06:11 congratz :D openmoko has achieved a lot :D Aug 17 13:06:21 jopk: task-openmoko-games Aug 17 13:06:27 opkg install task-openmoko-games Aug 17 13:06:53 ok ... what is task.openmoko-feed ? Aug 17 13:07:07 dont worry about it Aug 17 13:07:26 can u explain pls ? :) Aug 17 13:10:40 theanswers you seek lie in /dev/null Aug 17 13:10:51 /dev/random! Aug 17 13:11:30 anyone have gestures working on this fso build? Aug 17 13:12:06 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r2ca21d0a8691 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Makefile: propagate make target Aug 17 13:15:37 hello, i got my moko some days ago. usb networking worked perfectly for the first days but now the is not beeing detected anymore on my host system. any hint? Aug 17 13:16:14 hanez: ubuntu? Aug 17 13:17:08 no, debian... and gentoo Aug 17 13:17:17 then no idea Aug 17 13:17:40 what have you done on ubuntu? Aug 17 13:20:49 ronny, dmesg shows up nothing on the host. it seems that the usb port is down in the moko Aug 17 13:21:19 Stupid stuff. Aug 17 13:21:35 * hipitihop boots latest fso for first time .... Aug 17 13:21:36 You've changed the cable, and ensured the host-side USB port still works on the host? Aug 17 13:22:33 hanez: lsusb shows nothing? Aug 17 13:23:17 for all who love to play Go, on the debian image gnugo and qgo work pretty fine! Aug 17 13:23:48 SpeedEvil, yep, nothing Aug 17 13:24:16 and it worked for the first two days without any problems Aug 17 13:24:31 i seem to be missing the correct mkimage Aug 17 13:24:37 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r578746a1d344 10/ (21 files in 3 dirs): add xml files usable for dbus-binding-tool into proper directory Aug 17 13:30:52 Hey, does anyone know of a work around to http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1712? Aug 17 13:31:00 I would quite like to be able to use my phone again. Aug 17 13:33:52 NSGReaper, did you try to plug the usb to pc and then insert the battery? Aug 17 13:36:02 okay, the serial usb device ttyACM0 comes up before booting and disconnects when booting the kernel. after that i can see no more usb activity in dmesg and lsusb. but when booting to the u-boot menu i have the serial device availabe... Aug 17 13:36:15 i'm trying that now cga Aug 17 13:37:17 hanez, 2007.2 -> opkg upgrade -> no usb when system is up ? Aug 17 13:37:30 NSGReaper, ok Aug 17 13:38:16 cga, ok, but i didn't do an opkg upgrade Aug 17 13:38:44 hanez, mmm strange. i had that problem after opkg upgrade. Aug 17 13:39:01 cga, how did you fixed it? reflash? Aug 17 13:40:22 hanez, yes... flash + nohup opkg upgrade dropbear & + opkg upgrade + opkg install kernel-module-g-ether kernel-module-cdc-ether + depmod + reboot Aug 17 13:40:58 cga, thanks... do i need to reflash u-boot too? Aug 17 13:41:06 cga, same problem i'm afraid. it starts to boot then just cuts out. My fault for letting the battery drain i suppose... but i would still expect it to be able to recharge itself. Aug 17 13:41:10 or just the filesystem? Aug 17 13:41:18 Battery life is very much a work in progress. Suspend works for some people in some images on freerunner, leading to >24h suspend times. It looks plausible from various sources of information and testing that 3-5 hours of talk time, 20h of mp3 playing, and a week of standby should be possible. Aug 17 13:41:21 hanez, i flashed all of them Aug 17 13:41:36 cga, but you have a debug board i think? Aug 17 13:41:48 NSGReaper, yes that would be normal... but there's this annoying bug you know.. Aug 17 13:42:07 could someone here install zhone on his debian/ubuntu system? Aug 17 13:42:18 hanez, no i don't own a debug board. you can flash nand with dfu-util (board is for nor) Aug 17 13:42:24 cga, yeah i know. guess i'll just have to watch the trac Aug 17 13:42:57 cga, ok thank you very much... i will try that now. Aug 17 13:43:03 hanez, np Aug 17 13:44:24 thanks anyway cga Aug 17 13:45:16 Hi! I am unable to set up usb network, whatever image I try. Can someone help? I have qtopia now (troll's one). Aug 17 13:45:28 LionKMP: can you ping it? Aug 17 13:45:38 nope, network unreachable. Aug 17 13:45:44 ifconfig looks ok on both side Aug 17 13:45:54 i got "ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: Connection refused" the last times Aug 17 13:46:00 and if FR is not connected, it does not bring up usb0, but when connected, it does. Aug 17 13:48:15 LionKMP, have you followed USB networking steps on WIKI ? Aug 17 13:49:12 hipitihop: well, yes, and I used the "make it static" and "mandriva" instructions. besides seeing ifconfig ok,I don't know what to check. Aug 17 13:49:23 moment, maybe not that guide. Aug 17 13:49:34 (followed that too many times, unsuccessful, but I try now again) Aug 17 13:50:14 rwhitby, is it safe to do opkg update && opkg upgrade on this build i.e. it has the feeds set correctly ? Aug 17 13:51:27 LionKMP, not familiar with Mandriva specific issue, I'm using Ubuntu and have no problems getting usbnet going. However took me a while to go beyond that and out to the internet. But ok now Aug 17 13:52:47 the ip adderesses and masks look differenet whichever guide and image I use. e.g. qtopia has 255,255,255,0 as mask, so I added this on the PC too. Aug 17 13:54:25 LionKMP, neo's IP needs to be on the same subnet and masks can be either way Aug 17 13:54:44 gw needs to be on same subnet too Aug 17 13:55:33 inet addr:192.168.0.201 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 Aug 17 13:55:54 this is on my pc, FR is Aug 17 13:56:25 192.168.0.202 (bcast, mask same as above) Aug 17 13:56:53 both can ping itself, but not the other. Aug 17 13:57:11 wait! Aug 17 13:57:12 wow Aug 17 13:57:41 what? Aug 17 13:57:45 mandriva firewall was the problem :( (but it was assigned to eth0 on the mandriva control center!) Aug 17 13:58:10 firewall stop, and then I ssh-d into the Fr :) first time in the 3 weeks since I have it! :D Aug 17 13:58:12 thanks all Aug 17 13:58:16 LionKMP, is the gateway on the fr set to 192.168.0.201 ? Aug 17 13:59:15 LionKMP, I think you solved it yourself Aug 17 14:04:38 it is not forwarding packets anyway :( Aug 17 14:05:26 I guess I should be able to ping the router on the other side of the PC, is that correct? Aug 17 14:07:38 hm, ok, wrong route value on FR. resolved too. Aug 17 14:08:09 shouldn't use OM docs for Qtopia ;-) Aug 17 14:08:32 LionKMP, how's Qtopia as a phone??? does it work properly? Aug 17 14:08:50 i mean for sim and gsm for calls and sms at least Aug 17 14:09:12 cga: yes, calling looks ok, didn't try sms yet. Aug 17 14:09:26 cga, I can make and receie calls and texts with qtopia Aug 17 14:09:32 or could Aug 17 14:09:36 could? Aug 17 14:10:08 I don't have it anymore Aug 17 14:12:36 k Aug 17 14:13:08 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rab36a303e742 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/ (6 files): license whitespace changes Aug 17 14:15:44 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r736fb6b8ca0d 10/framework/subsystems/ (9 files in 3 dirs): fix Jan's email address Aug 17 14:16:11 is there a libnotify for fso ? I'm trying to install gestures Aug 17 14:23:43 anyone know how to install libnotify on latest fso ? Aug 17 14:24:17 should be in the feeds Aug 17 14:24:50 http://shr.bearstech.com/ Aug 17 14:25:15 mickeyl, opkg list *libnotify* returns nothing... do I need to add a feed ? Aug 17 14:25:32 ya, you probably need to install these feeds first Aug 17 14:25:42 'add' to /etc/ipkg.conf, that is Aug 17 14:27:40 Hi, when openmokos boots... it boots with both images... the openmoko one and the booting mode... once the boot image appears... it is replace by and openmoko one... How can I modify it to just show one... Aug 17 14:28:20 iormz_, do you have exquisite installed? Aug 17 14:28:34 cga, Yes. Aug 17 14:28:39 bingo Aug 17 14:28:48 Should I remove it ? Aug 17 14:28:49 either configure it or remove it Aug 17 14:28:53 then... Aug 17 14:29:00 is there any docs for that ? Aug 17 14:29:11 do you know that path or file that activates it ? Aug 17 14:29:22 mickeyl, sorry don't want to waste your time but I don't have /etc/ipkg.conf but do have /etc/ipkg/ with various *.conf no ipkg.conf Aug 17 14:29:55 mickeyl, this is on latest unstable Aug 17 14:30:20 iormz_, i don't know of any and don't know how. otherwise i would have kept it and helped you Aug 17 14:30:51 cga, thanks anyway.. I am looking in the wiki :) Aug 17 14:31:07 iormz_, np && tell me the link if you find it Aug 17 14:36:28 exit Aug 17 14:43:44 take a look I created a little debian-theme for the debian-image with zhone: http://rorschachstagebuch.wordpress.com/ Aug 17 14:44:04 I'll work on it the next days to make it look more cool Aug 17 14:44:24 Rorschach: is white too bright color? Aug 17 14:45:38 what you mean with too bright? everything is good viewable and useable imo Aug 17 14:46:50 is it tested outdoors in sunlight? ;) Aug 17 14:47:30 glare Aug 17 14:47:38 interesting little popup you have on that wordpress site ;) Aug 17 14:47:46 Rorschach: you might want to ignore me, i'm a fan of black backgrounds: http://iki.fi/lindi/screenshot-2006-12-15.png :) Aug 17 14:47:50 almien: no it isn't you're right, that could be a problem :) I'll have to test Aug 17 14:48:34 almien: I don't see any popup, I'm using noscript and adblock but I dunno any other good free blog hoster Aug 17 14:48:47 Rorschach: that's just what I found when doing map applications, that outdoors you need huge contrast (yellow/black) to see anything on the OM Aug 17 14:49:06 mouseover first image shows preview of a ibunker.us site with an obscene image Aug 17 14:49:27 lindi-: I also used a black bg and theme with my fluxbox for years but some weeks ago I changed everything on my desktop to white :) Aug 17 14:50:09 almien: thanks for telling, I'll look for another picture hoster :) Aug 17 14:50:32 white uses less enegery on the FR :) Aug 17 14:50:43 Zorkman: ha :) Aug 17 14:51:08 almien: I tested, also without noscript or adblock I don't get any popup ? Aug 17 14:52:12 Zorkman: why does white use less? Aug 17 14:52:17 It doesn't. Aug 17 14:52:27 The backlight energy use is constant. Aug 17 14:52:57 no, it's not a popup, it's when it generates the preview of the site being linked to, and that site happened to be showing an advert in a div tag when they generated the preview. It probably looks different when different people view it Aug 17 14:53:17 yeah, backlight is constant, but when no other powerinput the color is white, you need to bloch the backlight to get black Aug 17 14:53:22 (or so i reason) Aug 17 14:53:34 anyway, not interesting enough to distract us from the debian theme discussion.. Aug 17 14:53:46 Zorkman: the exact same amount of power is used with black and white Aug 17 14:54:32 http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=fact-or-fiction-black-is here it says that "in newer liquid-crystal display, or LCD, monitors white is actually slightly more energy efficient than black." Aug 17 14:54:47 it's raining outside so I can't check the contrast in sunlight right now :) Aug 17 15:03:26 Zorkman: tests indicate the opposite. Aug 17 15:03:40 Zorkman: IBM monitor - quite old - 19" Aug 17 15:03:53 Zorkman: 2.38A @14V white, 2.2A black Aug 17 15:04:05 LCD Aug 17 15:05:16 you could be right, i could be wrong, but what is your explanation? Aug 17 15:05:22 I measured it. Aug 17 15:05:27 I don't need an explanation. Aug 17 15:05:46 i like mine (with no actions screen is white, if you want to change color to for example black you will need extra power input) Aug 17 15:06:05 You're assuming that white is the normal state Aug 17 15:06:16 I don't think that's correct. Aug 17 15:06:23 For most monitors. Aug 17 15:06:30 the article i gave you also states it is about newer LCD's, whoever might be right, i'm sure the influence will be very small on the FR Aug 17 15:06:47 And it states he measured one LCD. Aug 17 15:06:48 Yes since, the blacklight will sure as hell not emit "back light" :) Aug 17 15:06:51 I'd say you can ignore it. Aug 17 15:06:55 *black light i mean Aug 17 15:07:30 to get the highest contrast/lightintensity, a white backlight seems sensible. Aug 17 15:07:56 i don't find it important, but if you stumble upon an article about this i'dd like it if you showed it to me, i always like to learn new stuff Aug 17 15:08:36 i'm off to distribution models, cya Aug 17 15:09:59 You don't get to argue (as that article does) against a extensive 2002 research study by measuring one monitor IMO. Aug 17 15:09:59 The backlight is indeed white. (on LCDs, on projectors it may be a colourwheel, or strobed RGB LEDs) Aug 17 15:10:40 wave Aug 17 15:11:08 And I find it annoying that SciAm allowed that sort of crap to be published. :/ Aug 17 15:17:07 is there a secret to getting battery info in deb/zhone? Aug 17 15:18:14 ab0oo: on the top, the right bar shows the capacity of the battery Aug 17 15:18:28 not mine Aug 17 15:18:28 there's no charging indication until now afaik Aug 17 15:18:39 lpotter: ping Aug 17 15:18:53 and /proc/apm is borked Aug 17 15:19:55 charging information on freerunner only works with CC batteries Aug 17 15:20:08 can`t figure cut/paste to show you Aug 17 15:20:10 s/charging/battery Aug 17 15:20:17 (i.e. the one shipped with the FreeRunner) Aug 17 15:20:32 this is that Aug 17 15:23:36 meh, can't hunt and peck that fast on the moko keyboard. Aug 17 15:24:23 ab0oo: try fso keyboard with xrandr -o left/right Aug 17 15:24:38 just beware of Xglamo bugs ;] Aug 17 15:24:47 there's bugs in xglamo? Aug 17 15:24:51 ;) Aug 17 15:25:02 yea with rotating screen Aug 17 15:25:07 debian-gta02:~# cat /proc/apm Aug 17 15:25:07 1.13 1.2 0x02 0xff 0xff 0xff -1% -1 ? Aug 17 15:25:26 that's with a FIC LiIon batter Aug 17 15:25:27 for me most of time it works, but sometimes you can get colorful strips on screen Aug 17 15:25:40 color is nice... Aug 17 15:26:19 is there somewhere else that the battery info would hang out? Aug 17 15:26:39 in /sys Aug 17 15:26:59 look on wiki Aug 17 15:28:16 ab0oo: use 'mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerSupply/bat org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply.GetEnergyPercentage' Aug 17 15:28:42 lindi-: you're assuming he uses fso Aug 17 15:28:48 accessing /sys directly is so old-fashioned nowadays :) Aug 17 15:28:55 torindel: yes, from "debian-gta02" Aug 17 15:29:00 /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerSupply/bat: GetEnergyPercentage -> 0 Aug 17 15:29:08 that's grim Aug 17 15:29:20 check sysfs first Aug 17 15:30:36 find /sys -name "battvolt" Aug 17 15:31:04 yeah, hang on. I changed batteries in the middle, and everything went sideways. Aug 17 15:31:06 rebooting. Aug 17 15:31:56 I was running on one of the FIC spares I got with the phone. I'm going back to the orginal battery now Aug 17 15:32:18 after an fsck, since it powered down unclean Aug 17 15:32:25 I'm sure this has been asked before but - anyone know a clean easy way to handle two sims? Aug 17 15:33:46 torindel: this may be a battery problem... in the boot messages, there were all kinds of messages about bat state and voltage and charge current Aug 17 15:34:00 or, I might be a fool. It's a real tossup. Aug 17 15:34:06 shoragan: unfortunately, the low-level stuff isn't there to handle it cleanly. Aug 17 15:34:36 shoragan: you really basically need two radios to use two SIMs. Aug 17 15:35:41 speaking of batteries anyone used any high capacity nokia replacements in moko? Aug 17 15:38:20 looks like my ext2 partition is corrupt. I'll be back after I fix it Aug 17 15:39:31 ahh, the second fsck fixed it. Aug 17 15:44:14 gca, thanks for your help! i reflashed the kernel and the disc image. now my usb0 device works again. i didn't reflashed u-boot... Aug 17 15:45:48 Yay! Aug 17 15:46:00 You should only rarely need to reflash ubooy Aug 17 15:46:07 s/y/t? Aug 17 15:46:11 s Aug 17 15:46:15 s/?// Aug 17 15:46:17 SpeedEvil meant: s/y/t Aug 17 15:46:24 Dave: did you got your audio-problem fixed? Aug 17 15:47:07 well, now I have valid battery info. Aug 17 15:47:51 good Aug 17 15:48:00 i've been complaining about that as well Aug 17 15:48:07 odd. it seems to be battery-specific Aug 17 15:48:07 the powers said we should not care Aug 17 15:48:11 since it's very complex Aug 17 15:48:16 but both batteries are "identical" Aug 17 15:48:18 as you can change batteries in-between Aug 17 15:48:26 sure? Aug 17 15:48:33 you should have only one CC battery Aug 17 15:48:36 and one TH Aug 17 15:48:38 or more Aug 17 15:48:45 (or you have more Freerunners) Aug 17 15:48:58 ahhh... Aug 17 15:49:08 one is an HF084, the other an HF086 Aug 17 15:49:13 ok, that's a crock of crap Aug 17 15:49:27 you can see at the + - signs Aug 17 15:49:33 the freerunner will show Aug 17 15:49:37 (+) CC (-) Aug 17 15:49:41 the neo1973 will show Aug 17 15:49:44 (+) TH (-) Aug 17 15:49:45 I would think that my extra $50 would get me identical batteries Aug 17 15:49:52 no, they both say CC on them Aug 17 15:49:57 urks Aug 17 15:50:02 that's strange Aug 17 15:50:10 then one is broken or fake or whatnot Aug 17 15:50:12 please add a ticket Aug 17 15:50:18 perhaps they change the CC supplier Aug 17 15:50:23 and then the kernel needs to adjust Aug 17 15:50:24 *shrug* Aug 17 15:50:44 the only difference is the HC086 on the "working" battery and the HF084 on the "Questionable" battery Aug 17 15:51:01 let me get my ducks in a row, and I'll open a ticket. Aug 17 15:51:56 so, the deb image doesn't do the true "suspend" like the 2008.8 image, right? so battery life will be back to the 6-7 hours like with 2007.2? Aug 17 15:52:15 deb just seems to dim the screen. Aug 17 15:52:45 zhone will suspend if you hold power button for two seconds Aug 17 15:52:52 and then release Aug 17 15:53:02 and incoming calls will or will not wake it up? Aug 17 15:53:23 will Aug 17 15:53:36 otherwise the suspend would be of no use Aug 17 15:53:39 imo Aug 17 15:54:00 right. agree completely, but I still feel like I'm in the "I have to ask" phase. :) Aug 17 15:54:45 :) Aug 17 15:55:01 mickeyl: I would like to poke around a bit with gsm in fso on the kaiser but don't know where to start. could you provide some pointers? Aug 17 15:55:02 have you always lived in frankfurt? Aug 17 15:57:11 ab0oo: yeah. born there, went to school, went to uni, got my Ph.d, working as freelancer :) Aug 17 15:57:21 dcordes: sure. Aug 17 15:57:28 ok, so the canonical way to do that is: Aug 17 15:57:47 first you need to decide whether this is a multiplex device or not Aug 17 15:57:59 if so, are there limitations on which commands work on which channels? Aug 17 15:58:11 you probably need to create a HTC modem class Aug 17 15:58:12 * dcordes shrugs Aug 17 15:58:15 see modems/ Aug 17 15:58:17 it's an underrated city in my book. I lived/worked in Darmstadt and Hanau for a few years in the mid-90s, and still miss the whole region. Aug 17 15:58:29 mickeyl: how can I figure out? Aug 17 15:58:48 check whether your device features the MUX command Aug 17 15:58:56 check whether gsm0710muxd runs there Aug 17 15:59:03 if so, you are lucky Aug 17 15:59:08 [not much to change then] Aug 17 15:59:12 my lone claim to linux fame back then was meeding Olaf Kirch (Network Administrators Guide for Linux) for beer in the Darmstadt Ratskeller Aug 17 16:02:11 mickeyl: does fso-console-image sufice for this? Aug 17 16:02:45 hmm...for some reason I can never get a GPS fix....no SD card inserted... Aug 17 16:02:52 dcordes: yeah Aug 17 16:03:26 ok building one Aug 17 16:08:16 MadTBone: a) go outside b) wait 10 mins Aug 17 16:08:47 * torindel can get first fix in 140 secs with sd card Aug 17 16:10:15 torindel: yeah...I've tried that. The 2007.2 image used to give me first fix in only a few min. But now I never get a fix. I was outside for over an hour yesterday w/ gps running and nofix Aug 17 16:10:36 torindel: using FSO now Aug 17 16:10:57 fso milestone2 should work too Aug 17 16:11:10 torindel: yep..that's what I'm running Aug 17 16:11:33 torindel: I don't get what's different Aug 17 16:11:42 and note Aug 17 16:11:47 fso doesnt use gpsd Aug 17 16:12:04 in case you tryied playing around Aug 17 16:12:27 torindel: well, the zhone gps app should work....right? Aug 17 16:12:34 yep Aug 17 16:12:50 yeah....I get nothing Aug 17 16:12:53 you just need to keep it open all the time Aug 17 16:16:44 MadTBone: FSO gps zhone app and tangogps work fine here Aug 17 16:17:00 MadTBone: you are not lying it flat on a table are you? Aug 17 16:17:41 MadTBone: gps antena is in top of moko, try keeping it top to sky, not display to sky Aug 17 16:17:43 Tig|away: no. yesterday I had it in a belt clip..gps antenna side up. Aug 17 16:18:20 MadTBone: odd then I get a fix in about 60 secs or so. not timed it but it is quite fast Aug 17 16:18:59 Tig|away: yeah...I used to get a fix in a min or two Aug 17 16:19:37 Hello Aug 17 16:21:31 I'm looking into upgrading from 2007.6 to 2008.8 Aug 17 16:21:43 HI, i was thinking about buying the freerunner and i want to know how usable it is / battery life Aug 17 16:21:50 which files am I downloading.. cause theres GTA02, and then ones without the GTA02 Aug 17 16:23:20 can anyone help me? Aug 17 16:23:24 has anyone mounted their freerunner as a harddrive -- as opposed to a networked device? Aug 17 16:23:29 osteenbergen: it depends on your usage, 50 hours i would say with the current suspen/resume handling and normal usage Aug 17 16:24:06 well i use a lot of standby time and some time for wifi internet Aug 17 16:25:14 so here is my next question: how well is the internet browsing capoabilities? Aug 17 16:25:21 hmm, now my moko doesn't ask for the gsm pin at bootup anymore...? any hints? Aug 17 16:26:22 osteenberg: you have the choice between the different browsers, midori, minimo, openmoko-browsers, links-x11... Aug 17 16:26:22 So, I have to hold down the power button for about 15-20 seconds before my phone boots up Aug 17 16:26:25 Is that fixable? Aug 17 16:26:44 malik1972: do any browsers work with 2008.8? Aug 17 16:27:24 e_s_p sure, i tried minimo and midori Aug 17 16:28:03 e_s_p 15-20 sec? mine 5-6 sec ... Aug 17 16:28:20 is there a website which shows all applications available for the freerunner? Aug 17 16:28:22 Maybe I'm over-estimating because it's an annoying delay Aug 17 16:29:39 e_s_p dont be annoyed, install it and have some fun Aug 17 16:30:54 e_s_p there are really annoying things, believe me Aug 17 16:34:13 e_s_p: geez, it's a freakin' dev phone - you should be prepared to deal with much more annying things than a 5-6s boot delay. Esp. since that's just a ontetime boot up thing - most of the tim eyou'll proabbaly be resuming from suspecnd (which is much faster) and not boting up Aug 17 16:34:46 It's been a dev phone for two effing years Aug 17 16:35:23 The phone that was released a month or two ago I just bought two weeks ago has software that's been completely replaced Aug 17 16:35:28 Totally unstable software, by the way Aug 17 16:35:38 Also, as a DEV phone, where's my DEV documentation? Aug 17 16:35:52 How am I supposed to do any DEV on this thing if the API changes all the time? Aug 17 16:36:18 And, yeah, I guess TURNING THE PHONE ON is some kind of fancy bells-and-whistles in some circles Aug 17 16:36:24 But for me it seems a pretty core feature Aug 17 16:36:42 I'm happy to support Free phones Aug 17 16:36:57 e_s_p, get lost Aug 17 16:37:07 cga: no Aug 17 16:37:22 Sorry, but "It's just a dev phone" doesn't cut it any more Aug 17 16:37:39 e_s_p, i guess that the delay for power button it's like that so you can boot in NAND (power+aux) Aug 17 16:37:47 Ah Aug 17 16:37:49 That's interesting Aug 17 16:38:00 i just *guess* Aug 17 16:38:10 also for not turning it on accidentially Aug 17 16:38:13 Amusiingly, holding down the aux button and booting is way faster Aug 17 16:38:27 my siemens also takes some seconds of pressing the button Aug 17 16:38:30 e_s_p, anyway you could have got another phone (who said i*) Aug 17 16:38:39 cga: sure, I could have Aug 17 16:38:47 But I send $400 to FIC instead Aug 17 16:39:01 s/send/sent/ Aug 17 16:39:02 e_s_p meant: But I sent $400 to FIC instead Aug 17 16:39:07 NICE! Aug 17 16:39:20 I'm embarrassed to show this phone to people Aug 17 16:39:37 I'm not. Aug 17 16:39:39 well if spent your money to whine and complain you can always stop it and comtribute Aug 17 16:39:44 it makes a quite nice gps device Aug 17 16:39:45 Tanuva: what do you show people? Aug 17 16:40:00 Wonka: how's that? Aug 17 16:40:07 e_s_p: because the neo is a f*in neat device, regardless of it's actual software Aug 17 16:40:20 Tanuva: what good is it without software? Aug 17 16:40:28 it HAS software ;) Aug 17 16:40:33 e_s_p: it's got a gps chip, that's why Aug 17 16:40:38 I love telling people, "It's got great GPS and accelerometers" Aug 17 16:40:42 Wonka: and wlan! :D Aug 17 16:40:48 Yeah, they're great Aug 17 16:40:56 e_s_p: also, with tangogps, it's a zooming map browser Aug 17 16:40:58 But I'd like to have something to demo Aug 17 16:41:05 tangogps++ Aug 17 16:41:05 and I can hack my own shiny mp3 player on it and be happy Aug 17 16:41:06 e_s_p, i give you a working htc diamond with windows mobile if you get lost Aug 17 16:41:31 cga: seriously, are you happy with the value of this phone? Aug 17 16:41:42 Are you optimistic about it ever being usable for a general audience? Aug 17 16:41:45 i am since i knew what was going to be Aug 17 16:41:55 i do am Aug 17 16:42:05 OK, good Aug 17 16:42:07 I'd like to be Aug 17 16:42:11 I can't say I am, though Aug 17 16:42:22 e_s_p: try hypnotism ;) Aug 17 16:42:34 I think after a year of development from the Neo1973, we should see better results Aug 17 16:42:50 edistar, mantras work too... namiopenmokorenghekio! Aug 17 16:42:55 And I think that totally switching the UI around was a completely crazy move Aug 17 16:43:03 I'm glad I didn't do any dev for 2007.2 Aug 17 16:43:06 omm mani padme hum Aug 17 16:43:18 Wonka, that's for the dead... Aug 17 16:43:31 *fg* Aug 17 16:43:31 cga: not for those who got lost? Aug 17 16:43:34 lol Aug 17 16:44:08 ok e_s_p , so now? Aug 17 16:44:30 argh, I really need to get used to python's self. everywhere >.< Aug 17 16:46:17 import soul Aug 17 16:46:37 ej cga, you can always send me that htc diamond, i need a working phone while waiting for the FR to mature :) Aug 17 16:46:57 *g* Aug 17 16:46:58 a friend has lend me his old phone for over 5months now and the screen is starting to fail :) Aug 17 16:47:22 * Wonka has his old Siemens S65 as a phone and GPRS modem... Aug 17 16:47:42 damn 3G SIM problem Aug 17 16:47:48 it's also a siemens i have now Aug 17 16:48:28 cga: so now what? Aug 17 16:48:47 e_s_p: i'm just joining, but what is the problem? Aug 17 16:48:49 Would I dev for the phone right now? Probably not for a little while. Aug 17 16:49:20 that's up to you e_s_p; personally i would prefer if you develeopped a kick-ass program :) Aug 17 16:49:22 Hi Zorkman Aug 17 16:49:29 hi Flinx Aug 17 16:49:39 Zorkman: I'd like to have a native client for Identi.ca on the FR Aug 17 16:49:49 Main reason I bought it Aug 17 16:49:57 Free client software for Free network services Aug 17 16:50:22 When you guys are done, I'd like a bit better tutorial on connecting to, and flashing my FR ;) The wiki is a bit thin on the actual "How to connect" bit. Aug 17 16:50:43 what problems are you experiencing Flinx? can you ssh into your phone? Aug 17 16:51:04 the wiki is actually quite usefull on that topic (that is at least my experience, I could do it as a total linux noob :)) Aug 17 16:51:26 e_s_p: so what is stopping you to make an app with a nice gui for that on the FR? Aug 17 16:51:49 Zorkman: probably the switcheroo on UI that's happened lately with 2007.2 -> 2008.8 Aug 17 16:51:58 Zorkman, its a vanilla 2007.6 out of the box. I'm thinking that I want to more to the 2008.8 Aug 17 16:51:59 I don't know where to invest dev time Aug 17 16:52:04 e_s_p: the 2007.2 programls work fine on 2008.8 Aug 17 16:52:25 i use for example the mediaplayer from 2007.2 in 2008.8 Aug 17 16:52:34 or the terminal to give you another example Aug 17 16:52:39 is the moko-gtk theme maybe partly broken? Aug 17 16:52:39 ./tanump.py:20: GtkWarning: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "moko-engine", progbar = gtk.ProgressBar() Aug 17 16:52:44 Zorkman, and I'm not sure what the address I'm using for SSH is >.< Aug 17 16:52:57 Flinx: 2007.6 really does not exist.. you probably mean 2007.2 if you have not reflashed Aug 17 16:53:13 flinx: your phone will be 192.168.0.202 Aug 17 16:53:27 and your phone will see your desktop as 192.168.0.200 Aug 17 16:54:08 Zorkman, yeah.. thats the one >.< I keep forgetting what that last digit is... Aug 17 16:54:34 np :) Aug 17 16:54:50 the neo has the smaller case, got therefore the higher (202 > 200) number... XD Aug 17 16:54:55 Flinx: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions gives a nice overview Aug 17 16:55:00 I know Aug 17 16:55:06 I've been reading a lot. Aug 17 16:56:07 just when I go to the downloads page there are things "Om2008.8-gta02-20080808.rootfs.jffs2" and "Om2008.8.rootfs.jffs2" Aug 17 16:56:19 which seem eerilly similar except for the GTA02 Aug 17 16:56:25 flinx: have you followed the three commands that are stated on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking ? this should enable you to ssh in to the phone Aug 17 16:56:41 >.< Aug 17 16:56:45 I haven't seen that one yet... Aug 17 16:56:59 that's the one you need to set up usb networking :) Aug 17 16:57:13 I should add that to the Wiki on Flashing... it'd be nice. Aug 17 16:57:44 Flinx: if you follow http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner you will first encounter the usb networking Aug 17 16:58:04 to flash you don't even need your usb network Aug 17 16:58:21 >.> I printed and read that... Aug 17 16:58:58 are there any IM or IRC apps for the freerunner? Aug 17 16:59:21 LuYu: pidgin works (icq, irc, msn, google...) Aug 17 16:59:40 it wasnt in the package list Aug 17 16:59:47 LuYu: it is in the rabenfrost celltune feeds, but you have to manually install the dependencies Aug 17 16:59:50 where can i get a build? Aug 17 16:59:58 oh Aug 17 17:00:02 sounds like fun Aug 17 17:01:13 cd /etc/opkg && wget http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/celtune-rabenfrost.conf Aug 17 17:01:18 and then you have the feed Aug 17 17:01:29 but i think they took pidgin out of the list, but it is still there Aug 17 17:02:11 wow Aug 17 17:02:14 mokopedia Aug 17 17:02:24 (you need to remove the gta01 specific lines from this file) Aug 17 17:02:28 what is that? a wikipedia version for the OM? Aug 17 17:02:35 jup Aug 17 17:03:30 oops Aug 17 17:03:38 de.wiki is still 6.8GB though :) Aug 17 17:03:42 i should have done that before the update, huh Aug 17 17:03:45 but they have full text search (in 20s) Aug 17 17:03:53 jup :) Aug 17 17:04:07 but if you jsut updated no harm don,e just update again, with the lines removed or uncommented Aug 17 17:04:09 well, i guess ill just have to wait and run it again Aug 17 17:04:35 the older packages do work, though, right? Aug 17 17:04:38 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * r748949c4c3ae 10/mickeydbus/ (TODO mdbus): mickeydbus: add prettyprinting Aug 17 17:05:27 ah i see de wiki is 1.3GB Aug 17 17:05:58 geeze.. USB networking is really complicated >.< Aug 17 17:06:20 Flinx: you only have to do those three first code-boxes and you're already logged in Aug 17 17:06:22 yeah, as soon as i got wifi working, i stopped using USB Aug 17 17:06:24 Flinx, there *nothing* complicated about it.... Aug 17 17:06:28 that's not too complicated, even i can do it ;-) Aug 17 17:07:08 thats why i want to mount the FR as a hard drive now (like moto) Aug 17 17:07:39 if i plug it in now, the routing table will get messed up again Aug 17 17:07:52 and i couldnt get NAT working properly with USB Aug 17 17:08:38 is anyone making an FBReader package for the OM? Aug 17 17:10:13 not that i know of... ==> you make it! :) Aug 17 17:10:25 there is something called gutenflash, nbut i can't get it to run :( Aug 17 17:11:14 >.> that was actually pretty easy.. Aug 17 17:11:15 (btw: there seems to be already a Sharp Zaurus with Qtopia-Based ROM for FBReader, so i guess it wouldn't be too complicated to port it...) Aug 17 17:11:28 yeah Aug 17 17:11:45 ive been using it on my Z for a few months now Aug 17 17:11:59 also, on my E6 Aug 17 17:12:10 and do you like it Aug 17 17:12:11 ? Aug 17 17:12:14 it would be nice to have it on the OM Aug 17 17:12:23 FBReader rocks Aug 17 17:12:52 let's hope it get's ported soon :) Aug 17 17:13:03 it still has some limitations, but its better than using opera -- at least for reading books -- which is what i was doing before Aug 17 17:13:11 it probably will Aug 17 17:13:17 there is a wishlist on the wiki, but i don't think many people use it :( you could send a suggestion to the community list Aug 17 17:13:21 its been ported to damn near everything else Aug 17 17:13:45 hmmm Aug 17 17:14:01 i imagine a port wouldnt be hard Aug 17 17:14:42 i mean, it already works on openEZX Aug 17 17:15:21 is there a command for downloading the latest signatures for opkg? Aug 17 17:16:12 hmmm... anyone figured out how to copy and paste in debain? Aug 17 17:17:26 just highlight the text and got to where you want to paste it and click the middle mouse button (the wheel) Aug 17 17:17:37 or the right and left buttons together Aug 17 17:17:51 you can copy and paste without touching the keyboard Aug 17 17:18:43 i mean on the freerunner Aug 17 17:19:12 i use xvkbd mostly, and there isnt an insert button :/ Aug 17 17:19:16 oh, thats got to be more difficult Aug 17 17:19:21 very Aug 17 17:27:00 Is Jordie P. in here? Aug 17 17:27:50 hmm. it seemsto be almost possible to irc with the th Aug 17 17:28:09 outchscreen Aug 17 17:28:35 I lost the SSH connection to my FR after i tried doing an "opkg update" Aug 17 17:29:13 Flinx: update or upgrade? update wouldn't cause that sort of thing, and it'd probably be unrelated. Aug 17 17:34:51 are all the "optional" repositories included with the FR? Aug 17 17:35:16 it seems like they are all already in my /etc/opkg directory Aug 17 17:36:59 the angstrom repo entry seems to be messed up on the FR Aug 17 17:37:15 it had an extra front slash after the entry Aug 17 17:37:21 so, the packages didnt appear Aug 17 17:37:41 deleting the last front slash fixes the problem Aug 17 17:40:19 goldenhawk, just update. it complained about not being able to download anything then then froze the terminal Aug 17 17:41:04 Flinx: Seems like a snafu. I don't think it's related to the opkg update. Aug 17 17:41:13 *nods* Aug 17 17:41:29 methinks a reboot of the phone is in order. Aug 17 17:41:54 oh.. question though.. setting up says "ideally" as root Aug 17 17:42:03 would sudo count as Ideally? Aug 17 17:42:13 Flinx: What says that? Aug 17 17:42:36 sorry.. Aug 17 17:42:44 the USB networking set up Aug 17 17:42:45 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Aug 17 17:43:05 Flinx: yes Aug 17 17:44:27 kay Aug 17 17:44:59 freesmartphone.org: 03mail 07zhone * r1493f30ffb32 10/src/zhone: (log message trimmed) Aug 17 17:44:59 freesmartphone.org: Handle non-complete phone numbers in the phonebook Aug 17 17:44:59 freesmartphone.org: When comparing phone numbers to label SMS appropriately, use Aug 17 17:44:59 freesmartphone.org: this logic: Aug 17 17:44:59 freesmartphone.org: Compares two phone numbers. They are considered equal if: Aug 17 17:45:01 freesmartphone.org: a) Both start with a "+", and all following digits are equal Aug 17 17:45:03 freesmartphone.org: or Aug 17 17:45:52 transmision interupted -__- Aug 17 17:46:07 probably flood control Aug 17 17:47:11 weird... Aug 17 17:47:24 as soon as I put the commands back in, it works again Aug 17 17:48:44 mickey_away: fso-console-image is sort of broken Aug 17 17:50:23 grrr, asu just locked up. going back to fso Aug 17 17:50:23 Is Jordie P. in here? Aug 17 17:51:23 Is it possible to make phone calls with fso? I tried clicking on the little check mark to dial and nothing happened. Aug 17 17:53:33 goldenhawk: run frameworkd so that you see its output Aug 17 17:53:51 lindi-: Okay. :) Aug 17 17:53:55 goldenhawk: you got empty sms box and contact lists? Aug 17 17:54:39 I don't have my phone handy at the moment, and I only tried FSO as an experiment because it's the only officially supported debian stack so far. Aug 17 17:54:59 Now that I know it's actually supposed to let me make calls I'll debug more thoroughly. Aug 17 17:55:18 goldenhawk: frameworkd output should be quite verbose Aug 17 17:55:30 lindi-: Cool. Thanks :) Aug 17 18:03:03 is anyone here using the ScaredyCat build? Aug 17 18:12:19 new question.. Aug 17 18:12:42 When downloading the 2008.8 images, I want the ones that say GTA02 (for Free Runner) right? Aug 17 18:13:31 yep Aug 17 18:13:54 kay :D Aug 17 18:13:58 I'm going to try this now. Aug 17 18:18:11 I just need the rootfs.jffs, and the ulimage.bin right? Aug 17 18:18:58 hrm, something wrong with the opkg repos in fso ms2? Aug 17 18:20:48 AntonTakk: fso m2 repos are just a placeholder Aug 17 18:20:51 Flinx: yes, both. you could also flash the latest uboot, if you don't have done it alreasdy Aug 17 18:21:07 my-distribution.org isn't an actual repo Aug 17 18:21:31 right, Aug 17 18:21:42 the tar.gz is the same as jffs? Aug 17 18:21:51 cause thats what it looks lik Aug 17 18:21:51 no Aug 17 18:21:55 untar it first Aug 17 18:22:07 kay. Aug 17 18:22:15 Flinx: please read: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner Aug 17 18:22:27 I have been. actually. Aug 17 18:22:31 mmaestri: so there are no repos for fso? Aug 17 18:23:27 yes there are some repos Aug 17 18:23:33 wait Aug 17 18:24:39 AntonTakk: let me fire up my fr so i can pastebin it to you Aug 17 18:25:59 i need them, too ;P Aug 17 18:26:16 mmaestri: thanks a ton :) Aug 17 18:26:21 everslick, I only see the jffs and bin files being used. Aug 17 18:26:42 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r865d08c6bcd0 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (input-helpers.c input-helpers.h input-helpers.vapi): Fix call to held key timeout. TODO: Rework the logic, kinda goofed up Aug 17 18:27:40 Flinx: what? Aug 17 18:28:04 rootfs must be an jffs Aug 17 18:28:15 kernel is a bin file Aug 17 18:29:22 Om2008.8-gta02-20080808.uImage.bin -- this looks like the uBoot Aug 17 18:29:37 http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/ -- I'm looking at this. Aug 17 18:29:38 no its a kernel Aug 17 18:29:49 ah Aug 17 18:30:30 http://www.mibbit.com/pb/sDl7ak Aug 17 18:30:35 uImage == kernel, uboot-gta02v5-...bin == uboot Aug 17 18:30:56 AntonTakk, ronny: take care of celtune Aug 17 18:30:59 alrgiht.. where is that one loagates? Aug 17 18:31:08 Located >.< Aug 17 18:31:20 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080812/uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin Aug 17 18:31:27 comment it when doing an update && upgrade Aug 17 18:32:00 thanks :D Aug 17 18:32:02 and uncomment it when needing a package from there Aug 17 18:32:22 yaw Aug 17 18:33:28 it might be useful to make a script that does it automagically, so you don't have to remember it. i broke 2 fso images before i started to take care of it... Aug 17 18:37:02 thanks Aug 17 18:37:20 here's to hoping gestures works in fso :) Aug 17 18:40:53 AntonTakk: it runs, at least Aug 17 18:41:13 hrm... there seems to be a discrepancy between, Flashing the Neo FreeRunner, and Booting the Neo FreeRunner Aug 17 18:42:46 Flashing says to -not- choose anything from the NOR boot menu, but booting says that you should set Console to USB to flash. Aug 17 18:43:49 Flinx, you don't need to set usb. flashing it's right Aug 17 18:44:10 so I should delete the comment on Booting? Aug 17 18:44:14 but there are people discussing this issue. leave wiki as is for now. i had the same doubt Aug 17 18:44:18 Oh... Aug 17 18:44:19 okay Aug 17 18:44:25 np Aug 17 18:44:29 maybe someone should make a note on it? Aug 17 18:44:44 you can join the discussion if you want Aug 17 18:45:00 I wouldn't know what to discuss.. Aug 17 18:45:09 eh neither do i Aug 17 18:45:12 just that it should probably be noted on the Booting page. Aug 17 18:46:09 I'm always hesitant to change wiki-pages >.< Aug 17 18:50:50 cute... the bootscreen has a pair of boots on it Aug 17 18:51:32 opkg segfaults on shr and totaluberwhatever packages Aug 17 18:52:06 "On SHR" ? Aug 17 18:52:08 That means nothing Aug 17 18:52:15 There's no official SHR image. Aug 17 18:52:24 i didn't say there were Aug 17 18:52:30 but there are shr packages Aug 17 18:52:38 and opkg segfaults on them Aug 17 18:52:56 There are no SHR packages Aug 17 18:53:00 There are FSO packages. Aug 17 18:53:35 have the repo coinfigs somewhere? Aug 17 18:53:38 configs* Aug 17 18:53:58 shr sure does seem to have a repo thou :) Aug 17 18:54:19 There is no SHR package repo. Aug 17 18:54:25 AntonTakk: no, it's not the repos Aug 17 18:55:15 your opkg segfaults because you're using the first fso m2, which is broken Aug 17 18:55:39 look for some newer image and you're done with that Aug 17 18:55:39 is ther a newer fso image i should be using instead? Aug 17 18:55:47 yes Aug 17 18:56:21 http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/fso-image-om-gta02.jffs2 Aug 17 18:56:39 thats from yesterday :P Aug 17 18:59:20 does it have the dial pad during call fix? Aug 17 19:03:38 AntonTakk: don't know...not using it as phone, actually Aug 17 19:04:28 pfft :) Aug 17 19:06:10 AntonTakk: My fix was included a week ago Aug 17 19:06:12 So I guess it is in Aug 17 19:06:19 You should ask alphaone Aug 17 19:07:59 Ainulindale: cool, know of a goot tutorial for python/etk? Aug 17 19:10:10 AntonTakk: zhone is Aug 17 19:11:33 AntonTakk: there are none Aug 17 19:11:37 Ainulindale: zhone is not etk Aug 17 19:11:48 edistar: Misread what he wrote Aug 17 19:12:06 (I'm doing other things :-) ) Aug 17 19:12:07 don't even know if etk is supported yet.. Aug 17 19:12:20 >.< Aug 17 19:12:22 Ainulindale: yeah, luckily :) when is SHR coming? ;) Aug 17 19:12:27 gr... Aug 17 19:12:31 Flinx: why? Aug 17 19:12:43 edistar: When it 's done :-) Aug 17 19:12:50 I'm trying to edit things on my FR but it keeps going into sleep mode and drops the SSH Aug 17 19:12:51 I have no news from the guys on the GTK part Aug 17 19:12:54 Ainulindale: okey Aug 17 19:13:00 Flinx: tell it not to Aug 17 19:13:52 *nods* Aug 17 19:13:54 Just did Aug 17 19:14:42 mine doesn't to voice recognition yet though :( Aug 17 19:17:10 YAY! I can do things with it now :D Aug 17 19:18:23 what FR needs is mind recognition Aug 17 19:19:05 0.o Aug 17 19:19:12 hehe Aug 17 19:20:22 well.. now that I think aobut it.. Aug 17 19:20:37 http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/ocz_peripherals/nia-neural_impulse_actuator Aug 17 19:20:51 So, in om-settings, I get "WiFi unknown" Aug 17 19:20:52 just find someone to install a Bluetooth datajack into you ;) Aug 17 19:21:05 So no WiFi for me Aug 17 19:27:52 two questions 1: Is there not signature files for the repos? (curiosity mostly) and 2: is there a reason why giving root (on the FreeRunner) a password is a good idea/ Aug 17 19:28:30 2: it has an ssh server Aug 17 19:29:01 by default it seems anyone can get root access to your phone anytime you connect it to a network Aug 17 19:29:06 2: but only if wlan is enabled and/or you plug the neo into foreign computers Aug 17 19:29:27 gprs Aug 17 19:31:22 good reasons ;) Aug 17 19:32:01 I was being lazy :p Aug 17 19:32:03 mjr: gprs is NAT.. Aug 17 19:32:10 noone can access your phone from the outside Aug 17 19:32:51 except if the routers of the service providers' are hacked Aug 17 19:34:14 edistar, not by definition Aug 17 19:34:52 mjr: can't see the providers giving you direct access Aug 17 19:35:38 I believe mine is Aug 17 19:35:48 Woah.. 2008.8 is soo much cooler than the 2007.2 Aug 17 19:35:49 yes, yes it is Aug 17 19:35:56 mjr: tell me the wan ip ;) Aug 17 19:37:41 I am currently experiencing bug #1296 (related to #1315) and I'm wondering if there are devs out there who are interested in the issue that can tell me what diagnostics to run Aug 17 19:38:42 I have attached to Xglamo with gdb a few times and it always stops in gettimeofday Aug 17 19:39:04 this seems similar to comment 6 on bug #1315 Aug 17 19:40:08 ossguy: sounds like you're hung in GLAMOEngineWait() Aug 17 19:40:22 and the gettimeofday() is just to see how long you've been waiting Aug 17 19:40:45 so I'd go with the cmd queue being messed up Aug 17 19:41:44 cjb: is this documented somewhere? I don't see an explanation like yours in bug #1296 or #1315 Aug 17 19:42:12 no, it's just my interpretation Aug 17 19:42:17 I see Aug 17 19:42:24 gettimeofday is a kernel function that is called very often but returns very quickly. you aren't going to be hung there. Aug 17 19:42:35 zecke said: Also looking at the cmd queue changes in the kernel (locking, waiting for it to be empty..) would be helpful. Aug 17 19:42:49 GLAMOEngineWait() is what happens after we issue a command and wait for an interrupt to say it's finished Aug 17 19:42:53 but it sounds like that interrupt isn't coming Aug 17 19:43:11 right Aug 17 19:43:29 is there anything I can do to diagnose why it isn't coming? Aug 17 19:43:58 there's probably some kind of cmd queue debugging in the driver that you could turn on Aug 17 19:44:00 gotta go, bbiab Aug 17 19:44:05 k Aug 17 19:57:34 does anyone recognize what this is ? angstrom- version_P1-Snapshot-20080814-r1_om-gta02.opk Aug 17 20:01:20 hey everyone, got my freerunner from china today! Aug 17 20:02:16 Flinx: anstrom the base system build (I think, someone can probably give you a better explaination) Aug 17 20:02:57 have a n00b question. I have managed to connect via ssh to my phone, I can also ping from my phone back to my computer. But I can't ping e.g google.com from my phone? Aug 17 20:03:06 Flinx: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ Aug 17 20:03:45 hossi: set /etc/resolv.conf to a good nameserver Aug 17 20:03:46 hossi: sounds like a dns issue Aug 17 20:03:49 toaster: edit /etc/resolv.conf Aug 17 20:03:50 ah. Aug 17 20:03:52 thanks Aug 17 20:04:06 opkg wants to upgrade it Aug 17 20:04:10 Toaster`: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking has an entry about DNS Aug 17 20:04:31 ZorksAway: I'm good here, I think you meant to direct it to Flinx Aug 17 20:04:55 no i meant hossi :) Aug 17 20:05:07 sorry Aug 17 20:05:08 ah Aug 17 20:05:10 heh Aug 17 20:05:17 ZorksAway: him too, we're both mixed up :/ Aug 17 20:05:22 soo... looks like I should let it upgrade angstrom eh... Aug 17 20:05:29 Flinx: yeah Aug 17 20:05:36 >.< Aug 17 20:05:47 I keep getting "could not obtain adminitrative locks.. Aug 17 20:06:24 Flinx: I had that too, once. try rebooting. There's probably an easier solution, but that eemed to work for me Aug 17 20:07:05 usually if I try 2 or three times it works Aug 17 20:07:14 how do i press "enter" in the console? Aug 17 20:07:48 hi there geeks and geeketttes! Aug 17 20:07:56 Flinx, Toaster`: to obtain administrative lock first type killall packagekitd Aug 17 20:08:03 hi dork ;-) Aug 17 20:08:09 ah Aug 17 20:08:20 see I knew it was because i had things open :p Aug 17 20:08:37 ZorksAway: Thanks, I'll remember that Aug 17 20:08:46 yeah, sometimes the graphical installer (assassin) doesn't release admin lock) Aug 17 20:09:03 Infoport: where do you see the geekettes? Aug 17 20:09:06 any geekettes around? Aug 17 20:09:22 just hopeful thinking.... Aug 17 20:09:34 I know we have at least one gay openmoko-fan Aug 17 20:09:36 ZorksAway, how do I edit resolv.conf :) Aug 17 20:09:40 but that's just not the same :) Aug 17 20:09:53 johngay ;) Aug 17 20:10:05 hossi: first install something you like to edit files, for example nano: opkg install nano Aug 17 20:10:17 hey, I support the gay openmoko fans (I just dont chase after them) Aug 17 20:10:22 and after that nano /etc/resolv.conf Aug 17 20:11:03 do I have to run a opkg update first ? Aug 17 20:11:10 vi is already installed by default Aug 17 20:11:33 (yes run update first; or use vi like infoport suggests) Aug 17 20:12:20 lol Aug 17 20:12:41 sorry.. I just read the geekettes comment Aug 17 20:13:30 this seems bad... using " echo "GPS_DEV=\"/dev/ttySAC1\"" > /etc/default/gpsd " on 2008.8 comes back empty handed. Aug 17 20:13:36 does that mean my GPS are borked? Aug 17 20:14:39 Flinx: what about a cat /dev/ttySAC1? Aug 17 20:14:41 ZorksAway, root@om-gta02:/etc# opkg install nano Aug 17 20:14:41 Nothing to be done Aug 17 20:14:41 An error ocurred, return value: 4. Aug 17 20:14:41 Collected errors: Aug 17 20:14:41 Cannot find package nano. Aug 17 20:14:42 Check the spelling or perhaps run 'opkg update' Aug 17 20:14:52 oh sorry for the spam :/ Aug 17 20:15:07 hossi: strange, used to work for me always, what distrubution are you running? Aug 17 20:15:14 ZorksAway, ubuntu hardy Aug 17 20:15:21 i mean on the phone :) Aug 17 20:15:27 edistar, its taking a while to search for it Aug 17 20:15:27 hossi: if you are using 2008.8 you need to edit the feeds Aug 17 20:15:48 ZorksAway, how do i check version? Aug 17 20:16:15 euhm, did you flash your phone to something different? or are you using what came on the phone? Aug 17 20:16:40 ZorksAway, I'm using the thing that came with it Aug 17 20:16:49 that should be 2007.2 then ;) Aug 17 20:16:58 indeed 2007.2 Aug 17 20:17:06 YAY! I got the .2 right!! Aug 17 20:17:17 good news or bad? Aug 17 20:17:19 Flinx: maybe your kernel is borked Aug 17 20:17:20 :) Aug 17 20:17:29 i'm off again, good luck Aug 17 20:18:05 edistar, reflash? Aug 17 20:18:22 maybe I start with a reboot Aug 17 20:18:32 okey Aug 17 20:18:41 Flinx: otherwise reflashing is a safe bet Aug 17 20:19:04 I would need to re-flash -just- the kernel yes? Aug 17 20:19:32 my resolve.conf file say nameserver 192.168.0.200 Aug 17 20:19:35 usually yes Aug 17 20:19:45 hossi: change it so some other Aug 17 20:20:37 edistar, I only need to replace the 192.186.0.200 with 208.67.222.222 ? Aug 17 20:20:48 change the ip-adress Aug 17 20:20:56 hossi: yes Aug 17 20:22:08 initiating a pand -c from the freerunner results in a permission denied Aug 17 20:22:21 the otherway around does work (connection from pc to fr) Aug 17 20:23:23 running "pand" on my freerunner (20080424 snapshot, "opkg upgrade" from today) results in "sh: pand: not found" Aug 17 20:23:47 it was there before the "opkg upgrade" Aug 17 20:23:59 some people seem to smoke bad weed... Aug 17 20:24:05 Wonka: add other repos Aug 17 20:24:52 i cannot really accept i should add repos outside of openmoko.org to get features back which my openmoko.org-only system had... Aug 17 20:25:19 Wonka: it's all unstable at the moment Aug 17 20:26:05 don't expect anything, just be happy if something works in the end ;) Aug 17 20:26:36 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/764 looks like this Aug 17 20:27:14 network via usb works. Aug 17 20:27:33 btw, any idea how to backup my FR? Aug 17 20:28:03 my experiments with saving (and restoring) the flash partitions (kernel and rootfs) did fail Aug 17 20:28:16 kernel got a CRC error on boot Aug 17 20:28:18 Wonka, dfu didn't work so well for me. Aug 17 20:28:22 rootfs was unreadable Aug 17 20:28:30 I'd just tarball Aug 17 20:30:55 SpeedEvil - just fyi from yesterday, about my phone not booting Aug 17 20:31:03 it appears this link has helped Aug 17 20:31:04 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/003326.html Aug 17 20:31:27 just needed another battery as i'd drained the other one dead so it didn't have enough power to charge Aug 17 20:31:42 and i had a BL-5C battery in my other phone :) Aug 17 20:38:56 >.< it would help if I turned the GPS on.. Aug 17 20:39:07 regarding bugs #1296, #1315 I mentioned earlier: it seems that Xglamo's spinning behavior lasts for just a few minutes (ie. 5) Aug 17 20:39:13 * torindel is back Aug 17 20:39:24 * cjb too Aug 17 20:39:33 then it stops spinning and doesn't use any CPU Aug 17 20:39:35 ossguy: you could ask on the bug what the right way to log commands being sent and returned is Aug 17 20:39:52 probably we mess up our idea of what's in the queue and think we're waiting, and then the next result clears it up or something Aug 17 20:40:15 I'll do that Aug 17 20:41:09 when Xglamo is not spinning (but is in this weird state) and you touch the screen, it starts spinning again Aug 17 20:41:10 hey - this may sound like a daft question, but is the stable release of 2008.8 best, or have there been some bug fixes in the daily builds that still work well? Aug 17 20:43:07 I think I found a bug. Aug 17 20:44:08 * torindel gives female bug to Flinx Aug 17 20:44:09 kill it Aug 17 20:44:13 now you'll have couple Aug 17 20:44:35 "/etc/init.d/gpsd restart" only shuts down gpsd Aug 17 20:44:55 gpsd is no good anyway :P Aug 17 20:44:55 you have to then use "/etc/init.d/gpsd start" to get it back Aug 17 20:45:09 but... how do i get GPS? :( Aug 17 20:45:35 use fso? ;] Aug 17 20:45:59 freesmartphone.org: 03mail 07zhone * rb9e0ec491df4 10/src/zhone: Aug 17 20:45:59 freesmartphone.org: sms: Replace newlines for list view Aug 17 20:45:59 freesmartphone.org: sms: Replace newlines for list view Aug 17 20:45:59 freesmartphone.org: In the list view, a newline in a SMS becomes an ugly square. This turns Aug 17 20:45:59 freesmartphone.org: it into a simple space. It also adds a multi-line SMS to the Aug 17 20:46:02 freesmartphone.org: offline-demo-set. Aug 17 20:46:06 esp since there are early patches for saving/restoring gps first fix data Aug 17 20:46:39 so you wont have to wait god knows how long to get fix Aug 17 20:46:46 do you recommend that one upgraded to the new kernel? Aug 17 20:47:22 can someone tell me where the shutdown option is on asu please? Aug 17 20:47:26 (i think i's the asu) Aug 17 20:47:45 ajbrun: open terminal and type shutdown -h now ;] Aug 17 20:47:53 that always work Aug 17 20:48:15 ah ok Aug 17 20:48:28 hold power for a few seconds and then it will start a shutdown Aug 17 20:48:28 what's the -h option for? Aug 17 20:48:31 halt Aug 17 20:48:34 about 5 iirc Aug 17 20:48:40 ajbrun: 'halt' Aug 17 20:48:40 eg turn off hardware Aug 17 20:48:59 erm halt does not power down normally -p does though Aug 17 20:49:28 Tig|: hm? Aug 17 20:50:06 halt will just sit there normally with the system down but no call to powermangement to shut the power, the ASU does have a shutdown though if you hold down power for about 5 seconds or so, it comes up with a shutdown message Aug 17 20:50:46 don't use -h on a colo box if you have no remote power management :) Aug 17 20:51:01 *chuckles* Aug 17 20:52:19 I love this wiki page on how to speed up the boot process Aug 17 20:52:40 which page? Aug 17 20:53:33 where do I send a public key on qtopia? I need to sync ssh keys to they will agree Aug 17 20:54:11 Flinx: which page or are you just fooling :) Aug 17 20:55:15 lpotter: ping Aug 17 20:56:10 pong timeout ;] Aug 17 20:56:34 has anyone got this before when trying to flash the root fs in the same way they always have? Aug 17 20:56:36 "no dfu capable usb device found" Aug 17 20:56:49 yeah, the FR has powered down Aug 17 20:57:00 it's in uboot Aug 17 20:57:04 ajbrun: as root Aug 17 20:57:08 are you running as root? Aug 17 20:57:28 or sudo -s for those ubuntu peeps Aug 17 20:57:30 yes - the command i used was: Aug 17 20:57:40 sudo dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D ~/Desktop/Om2008.8.rootfs.jffs2 Aug 17 20:57:52 ajbrun: try powering off moko, disconnecting cable, powering it on, connecting cable Aug 17 20:58:11 and get diffrent uboot version ;] Aug 17 20:58:11 i've done that - even taken the battery out for a min Aug 17 20:58:24 the only thing that#s different to normal is that i'm using a differtent battery Aug 17 20:58:36 the one that came with it seems completely dead Aug 17 20:58:44 ajbrun: you conected usb cable after selecting usb console in uboot right? Aug 17 20:59:18 ZorksAway, uhm.. lemme find it Aug 17 20:59:18 no - i connect the cable Aug 17 20:59:22 powered to uboot Aug 17 20:59:23 double check your paths, I generally do a sudo -s first then run commands normally Aug 17 20:59:30 and ran the dfu command Aug 17 20:59:36 same as i always have done Aug 17 20:59:39 ajbrun: try powering off moko, disconnecting cable, powering it on, connecting usb cable Aug 17 20:59:50 latest FSO build as of yesterday refuses to acquire a signal on my FR Aug 17 21:00:08 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_time_reduction_plan Aug 17 21:00:12 torindel: how does this battery differ from the standard? Aug 17 21:00:34 even after several reboots, zhone even refuses to start the phone portion Aug 17 21:01:07 TankC: it's being changed quite a lot in the last few days Aug 17 21:01:09 don't expect it to work Aug 17 21:01:11 Tig|: i have standard battery, ask ajbrun Aug 17 21:01:19 hey TankC Aug 17 21:01:21 ah :p Aug 17 21:01:32 it's a nokia bl-5c Aug 17 21:01:41 Thanks for the update edistar Aug 17 21:01:44 i found a webpage that said it was one of the ones that should work Aug 17 21:01:45 Hey torindel Aug 17 21:01:47 torindel: oops I meant that question for ajbrun :) Aug 17 21:02:21 ajbrun: yeah, it does Aug 17 21:03:04 it's working now Aug 17 21:03:17 i've never had to use the set comsole to usb option before Aug 17 21:03:18 ajbrun: ok first thing you do get diffrent uboot Aug 17 21:03:25 ZorksAway, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_time_reduction_plan Aug 17 21:03:27 but it seemed to do the job Aug 17 21:03:32 I dunno if you caught that or not Aug 17 21:03:59 kk - i'll get the one that came with 2008.8 then Aug 17 21:04:37 oh - there isn't one on that page Aug 17 21:04:44 is there a recommended uboot? Aug 17 21:04:54 ajbrun: the newest one Aug 17 21:06:50 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080812/uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin Aug 17 21:07:02 oh that page, that i do know of, but it doesn't really reduce it at the moment, thanks anyway Flinx Aug 17 21:07:20 np Aug 17 21:09:08 YAY GPS works! Aug 17 21:09:17 it has no maps.. but it WORKS! Aug 17 21:09:43 Flinx: gratz Aug 17 21:11:00 Flinx: cool! Aug 17 21:13:49 So, has anyone else seen "WiFi unknown" on their FR? Aug 17 21:14:11 e_s_p: where? Aug 17 21:14:12 you mean in exposure ? Aug 17 21:14:27 2008.8 settings ? Aug 17 21:16:03 yes, in 2008.8 settings Aug 17 21:16:20 Instead of "on" or "off" it says "unknown" Aug 17 21:16:36 This lasts through a reboot Aug 17 21:16:40 i think you have to read the unknown as "not implemented" Aug 17 21:16:59 Oh, really? Aug 17 21:17:05 mine says unknown too Aug 17 21:17:09 I had "on" and "off" for a while Aug 17 21:17:28 But I think that was when I was (mistakenly) updating from the build repositories Aug 17 21:17:32 OK, good! Aug 17 21:17:33 it was working abit some while aga Aug 17 21:17:36 Glad it's not just me Aug 17 21:21:17 hi Aug 17 21:21:42 hi Aug 17 21:22:58 e_s_p: every time I tried the ASU I got unknown Aug 17 21:23:10 hrm.. now what.... Aug 17 21:23:14 I've some problems with my debugboard, i get: JTAG communication failure Aug 17 21:23:22 mind you I did not get a network signal either Aug 17 21:23:25 OO... I should try my SIM card to see if it works now. Aug 17 21:28:17 http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/NetworkConnections Aug 17 21:28:30 this doesnt seem to work on the freerunner, any suggestions? Aug 17 21:28:43 the connection creation that is Aug 17 21:29:03 henkie: it might interest you; i've just asked for nl.wikipedia to be transformed to mokopedia Aug 17 21:29:18 should be done by tomorrow Aug 17 21:29:38 leuk! Aug 17 21:29:43 this way you can practice your dutch Dave ;-) Aug 17 21:29:55 hehe Aug 17 21:30:21 but i need my bluetooth! Aug 17 21:30:28 poor man's wifi :P Aug 17 21:30:29 yeah, because i won't be using the de.wiki; and the en.wiki will probably be too big for a 2g SD Aug 17 21:30:55 i got my bluetooth working yesterday with a cool app made by zedstar Aug 17 21:31:27 i can only connect to the FR, but cannot make a connection from the FR Aug 17 21:37:13 henkie: connecting to the fr how? Aug 17 21:37:57 Tig|, using pand -c Aug 17 21:38:15 the dbus service i cannot get working Aug 17 21:38:27 ah sorry can't help thought you were on about usb/wifi Aug 17 21:38:35 but that maybe the crappy documentation on the bluez side Aug 17 21:48:00 my FR seems to just turn off either during or soon after boot, and won't turn back on again unless i take the battery out for a bit Aug 17 21:48:04 anyone got any ideas? Aug 17 21:48:41 ajbrun: nonstandard battery? Aug 17 21:49:00 this one is, yes but i'm sure it happens with the other one too Aug 17 21:49:30 although i seem to have better luck with the non standard one Aug 17 21:49:38 maybe switch to your orginall battery after power on and leave it a while to see if it charges Aug 17 21:49:48 it's not just going into sleep mode or something? Aug 17 21:50:00 it shouldnt Aug 17 21:51:18 does a red LED flashing on the aux button mean anything? Aug 17 21:51:40 ajbrun: kernel panic i think :p Aug 17 21:51:42 goodnight Aug 17 21:51:47 ah :| Aug 17 21:51:50 nn Aug 17 21:51:59 i'll try flashing the kernel in that case Aug 17 21:52:32 i guess the stable release is better than the daily builds for now? Aug 17 21:54:29 but the daily builds are more fun ... Aug 17 21:54:41 not when i want it to work... Aug 17 21:55:12 * torindel currently builds gentoo on moko Aug 17 21:55:18 this is fun ;] Aug 17 21:55:50 on the fr? Aug 17 21:55:52 roh, Are you there? Aug 17 21:56:04 DieMumiee: yep Aug 17 21:56:09 why? Aug 17 21:56:17 how long does it take to build bash? Aug 17 21:56:54 i can't get uboot now :( Aug 17 21:57:00 only kernel panic... Aug 17 21:57:12 * ajbrun panics Aug 17 21:57:12 ajbrun: what does it say? Aug 17 21:57:19 nothing - red flashing led Aug 17 21:57:21 ajbrun: yank the battery? Aug 17 21:57:24 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_LED_signals Aug 17 21:57:26 i did Aug 17 21:57:34 and put it back in after a min Aug 17 21:57:36 same thing Aug 17 21:57:40 DieMumiee: 15mins ;] Aug 17 21:57:50 :) Aug 17 21:58:03 the longer it takes the better it gets Aug 17 21:58:09 last thing i did was flash uboot, but it seemed to boot fine afterwards Aug 17 21:59:30 i'm in! Aug 17 21:59:47 ajbrun: it tells you something.. Aug 17 22:00:11 i'm flashing the kernel now Aug 17 22:00:17 i took out the battery Aug 17 22:00:28 DieMumiee: funnier thing is CHOST change is still before me ;] Aug 17 22:00:32 and held the power button for a few secs thinking it may discharge something Aug 17 22:00:39 and it's working now Aug 17 22:01:17 let's seem how long it lasts... Aug 17 22:01:22 *see Aug 17 22:01:40 ajbrun: put your orginal battery now and see if it charges at all ;] Aug 17 22:01:47 it's in Aug 17 22:01:54 connected to my pc via usb Aug 17 22:02:01 so should be charging Aug 17 22:02:11 torindel: Gentoo on freerunner? @.x So cool :p Aug 17 22:02:15 if you want to charge better use charger Aug 17 22:02:18 torindel: Tell me how it goes ^.^ Aug 17 22:02:43 i'll make sure it boots first Aug 17 22:03:03 ajbrun: it wont boot if battery is deep discharged Aug 17 22:03:24 goldenhawk: i should be making stages soon if you want to check it out yourself Aug 17 22:04:27 goldenhawk: so far i have sane old toolchain, all new ebuilds from stage1 with working new portage Aug 17 22:04:59 all thats left is to update toolchain and build stage1 ;] Aug 17 22:06:48 torindel: Neat! I'm hoping to see what it would be like to have the phone stacks built automatically out of git on emerge with the help of someone's overlay. Aug 17 22:06:59 torindel: And see a Debian vs. Gentoo competition :p Aug 17 22:08:44 Have you tried compiling anything on the phone yet, torindel? Is it super slow? Aug 17 22:09:05 goldenhawk: like i said it takes 15mins to compile bash on the phone ;] Aug 17 22:09:30 * goldenhawk hmms and tries that on his quad core Aug 17 22:10:01 goldenhawk: gentoo crossdev is problematic as it have semi borked headers Aug 17 22:10:44 well at least a lot less that angstrom gcc builds Aug 17 22:11:15 60 seconds :p Aug 17 22:11:40 Hm.. so maybe gentoo on my phone might be a little slower than I'm used to. Aug 17 22:12:04 ;] Aug 17 22:13:09 Oh well, it's still cool ^.^ Can't wait to see it. Aug 17 22:13:23 goldenhawk: we'll check again when i change CHOST and compile with correct optimalizations since im useing -O1 only now Aug 17 22:13:35 cause toolchain is too old ;] Aug 17 22:13:37 Ah :) Aug 17 22:13:43 Fingers crossed :p Aug 17 22:14:13 Although if I wait a few generations I'm sure phones will be ten times faster. Assuming the open phone idea survives that long. Aug 17 22:14:42 was there some /sys entry that'd tell me why the phone woke up from ssuspend? Aug 17 22:14:59 lindi-: check on wiki, i think yes Aug 17 22:15:23 lindi-: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs Aug 17 22:15:39 point 1.3 Aug 17 22:16:04 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs#Resume_Reason .. torindel beat me to it :p Aug 17 22:16:39 anyone got qemu working with usb gadget? Aug 17 22:17:26 If I were to start making apps for FSO, should I use enlightenment or gtk? Aug 17 22:17:41 enlightenment Aug 17 22:17:43 torindel: right. '* EINT01_GSM' Aug 17 22:19:39 torindel: why do you say that? Aug 17 22:21:08 TankC: enlightenment is more lightweight and much more powerfull and have nicer api Aug 17 22:23:17 torindel: any IP packet over gprs seems to wake it up Aug 17 22:23:46 which is kind of nice if it weren't for the windows worms Aug 17 22:25:38 torindel - sounds like i might be up against this: Aug 17 22:25:39 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1682 Aug 17 22:31:28 http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-tc670138 Aug 17 22:31:43 are both me and the OP here missing something? Aug 17 22:33:15 openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 <--- is this an asu image or a qtopia? Aug 17 22:33:34 it is not quite the ASU Aug 17 22:33:44 and it isnt qtopia either ;] Aug 17 22:33:48 do you know where the latest asu image is? Aug 17 22:33:56 they have not got the buildhost inline with the ASU Aug 17 22:33:59 i can only find the official releae Aug 17 22:34:02 ah Aug 17 22:34:08 ajbrun: there is only the official release Aug 17 22:34:28 i'm just wondering if there's some bug in it that stops my phone from booting 100% of the time Aug 17 22:34:39 i might try a difrerent distro to test it Aug 17 22:34:58 afaik there are no current updates for the ASU Aug 17 22:35:20 kk - i'll try the one i linked to that isn't quite asu and not quite qtopia Aug 17 22:36:01 any idea when there'll be more updates? Aug 17 22:36:09 ajbrun: better get something that works for 100% if you got booting problems Aug 17 22:36:17 Anyone know if the DBUS api in FSO has support for SIM card information? Aug 17 22:36:38 hmm - i think a qtopia release once worked Aug 17 22:36:45 TankC: what kind of information? Aug 17 22:37:17 any kind of sim related info, such as card #, contact info, etc Aug 17 22:37:32 I know it's documented but I can't seem to find it with mdbus Aug 17 22:38:01 contacts yep, same with on sim sms storage, dunno about card # Aug 17 22:38:12 where is it exposed in dbus? Aug 17 22:38:58 TankC: if you cant find something in docs just get current framework and grep throo sources Aug 17 22:39:09 its usually named logicaly Aug 17 22:39:24 torindel: I have, there is no SIM information where it should be Aug 17 22:40:00 should be in org.freeopenphone.GSM.SIM or something like that Aug 17 22:40:05 GSM.SIM doesn't exist Aug 17 22:41:02 TankC: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM Aug 17 22:41:14 Yeah, that's what I meant Aug 17 22:41:18 GetSimInfo Aug 17 22:41:29 It's not there Aug 17 22:41:59 you sure youre accessing it correctly? Aug 17 22:43:02 Hold on a second Aug 17 22:44:40 Ok, so if I do a: "mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd" then three possible paths come up Aug 17 22:45:07 /org/freesmartphone/GSM, /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device, /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Server Aug 17 22:45:10 that's it for GSM Aug 17 22:45:49 Ah! Aug 17 22:45:57 they're under Device Aug 17 22:46:39 running debian of fr, is there a module I need to load to see the bluetooth device? Aug 17 22:48:02 morning all Aug 17 22:53:33 Can someone help me setup my feeds properly for http://shr.bearstech.com/ I have latest unstable FSO but a noob about feed configuration Aug 17 22:55:14 latest unstable fso for me wouldn't register Aug 17 22:57:53 AntonTakk, http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-unstable/images/neo1973/ Aug 17 23:00:33 AntonTakk, but my question is probably more general, given /etc/opkg.conf and /etc/opkg/ what do I need to do to add feed(s) from http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-unstable/ipk/ Aug 17 23:26:14 Hi all. Aug 17 23:26:32 ning Aug 17 23:27:00 how do I find out if I've got the latest uBoot? Aug 17 23:27:16 I can see the version I have on the FR Aug 17 23:27:58 * hipitihop now understands how /etc/opkg/ works and is now using proper http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-unstable/ipk/ feeds Aug 17 23:31:24 Flinx, most stacks/distributions have latest uboot in sam elocation as image and bin. What are you using ? Aug 17 23:31:33 2008.8 Aug 17 23:32:25 it says that i have "neo1973 Bootloader U-Boot 1.3.2-Moko12 Aug 17 23:34:10 hrm... next steps methinks, are getting GSM to register, and maybe WiFi Aug 17 23:34:21 Hallo Aug 17 23:35:03 Flinx, you can also see the version when you are in uboot menu Aug 17 23:35:29 ah Aug 17 23:35:37 I like how 60+% of the boot screen is all various errors :) Aug 17 23:35:42 poor openmoko :) Aug 17 23:35:45 *chuckles* Aug 17 23:35:54 Dave, I thought the same thing Aug 17 23:36:53 heh, yeah Aug 17 23:37:07 It's just slightly more depressing if you ever stop to read it all. Aug 17 23:37:10 :| Aug 17 23:37:16 Things do not bode well for openmoko :) Aug 17 23:37:21 Anyhoo Aug 17 23:37:33 just means there is a lot of work to be done ;) Aug 17 23:37:36 That's just my two cents for the afternoon. Aug 17 23:37:41 and then some :p Aug 17 23:37:58 Meanwhile, when is 4.4.4 set to be released, Lpotter? :P Aug 17 23:38:22 I like how "Suspend" (Dim and then lock) on the latest OM build actually shuts down the device instead. Aug 17 23:38:31 Man, things CLEARLY are going in a forward direction... Aug 17 23:38:38 hrml... Aug 17 23:38:57 Flinx, latest uboots here http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080812/ Aug 17 23:39:28 hipitihop, yep, I have the one waaaaaay at the bottom Aug 17 23:39:44 flashed it too.. but the word Neo1973 seems out of date to me... Aug 17 23:40:40 Flinx, Aug 17 23:40:46 oh well. Aug 17 23:41:04 onto other things.. Aug 17 23:41:35 Flinx, any experience getting gsm to register ? Aug 17 23:41:45 Ah Aug 17 23:41:48 a bit? Aug 17 23:42:00 my old SIM was on the Does not work list Aug 17 23:42:22 roh, Are you there? Aug 17 23:42:25 my new one is on the working list but doesn't work, and a friend has one that registered with no problems. Aug 17 23:42:36 I just can't steal his SIM :P Aug 17 23:43:04 I have bleeding edge FSO build but no luck, only stack so far was qtopia Aug 17 23:43:51 ah Aug 17 23:43:59 that was part of my next question Aug 17 23:44:06 about how much space does Qtopia or Debian take up? I'm thinkin about dual booting just to try and get my SIM working on a different stack Aug 17 23:44:18 I'm still up a tree as to why my audio suddenly disappeared (persistent isuse) Aug 17 23:44:19 :\ Aug 17 23:44:28 Flinx: debian should fit on sd.. Aug 17 23:44:44 Dave, looked into alsamixer? Aug 17 23:44:52 edistar, even the stock 512? Aug 17 23:45:11 Flinx: just about Aug 17 23:45:26 thats a pretty small debian Aug 17 23:45:32 yeah Aug 17 23:45:37 not too much on it:P Aug 17 23:45:37 * ljp chuckles Aug 17 23:45:39 Flinx, I'm guessing 60-70mg I have latest FSO flashed (had qtopia) and have 2008.8 release and others on various sD cards Aug 17 23:45:46 ah Aug 17 23:45:46 I am using 900mb atm Aug 17 23:46:15 weird... apparently there is 48mb of my SD being used.. Aug 17 23:46:33 Flinx, no Aug 17 23:46:39 flinx, I have no audio device! Aug 17 23:46:46 Dave, ah... Aug 17 23:46:46 What is there to mix!? Aug 17 23:46:49 :P Aug 17 23:46:59 * Flinx has been shamed. Aug 17 23:47:37 * torindel looks at cat lurking with evil smile behind dave Aug 17 23:47:50 so appart from using thezhone ui, is there any other way to attempt to register sim or see what's going on or where things may be failing ? Aug 17 23:47:54 * Flinx goes off into his corner Aug 17 23:48:25 hipitihop: write simple python script or run frameworkd via ssh Aug 17 23:49:23 :| Aug 17 23:50:22 hey there, is there a way to synchronize my evoution calendar with the freerunner? please Aug 17 23:52:02 ftnt: if there is you can find it in the wiki Aug 17 23:52:49 ftnt, haven't looked into this in detail or got anything going yet but look at SyncEvolution, Genesis python ui to SyncEvolution and ScheduleWorld Aug 17 23:53:07 edistar I looked for it but it only says that it might be possible with syncml, no commands or tool names are given Aug 17 23:53:42 ftnt, also depends on what you are running e.g the qtopia based stacks keep contacts etc in sqlite db Aug 17 23:56:24 hipitihop thanks, I'll have a look at it Aug 17 23:57:20 I've just been reading through booting on the SD Aug 17 23:57:40 the second part about obtaining an image seems straight forward, Aug 17 23:57:59 but the first bit is where I'm a bit lost. -- Do I have to make modifications to the uboot? Aug 17 23:58:50 Flinx: depends how do you want do multi boot Aug 17 23:59:02 kay Aug 17 23:59:20 So far i like the 2008.8, but I would like to try Qtopia Aug 17 23:59:21 Flinx, if you have the updated uboot which it seems you do, it has already a menu item (2) which shows boot from minisd fat + ext2 Aug 17 23:59:42 yep, I believe i saw that. Aug 17 23:59:46 theres menu entry to boot for kernel on first sd partition (fat) and root system on second partition (ext2/3) Aug 17 23:59:59 if you want something else you need to fix uboot Aug 18 00:00:05 kay Aug 18 00:00:21 Flinx, so you can setup you sd with fat + ext2 and then simply boot into uboot and use second menu item whenever you want to boot from sd. that's what I do Aug 18 00:00:42 Flinx: just fix uboot and setup single partition ext2/ext3 boot ;] Aug 18 00:00:45 hrm, Aug 18 00:00:57 it seems to already have stuff on it >.< Aug 18 00:00:59 torindel, thanks looking at frameworkd Aug 18 00:03:50 might just be easier to re-flash Aug 18 00:04:16 Give me my audio device back! Aug 18 00:04:22 Damn you :[ Aug 18 00:04:33 Dave, I don't have it? Aug 18 00:05:14 Oh :| Aug 18 00:05:36 try an updated kernel? Aug 18 00:05:39 Then ... o/` who stole the audio from the openmoko o/` Aug 18 00:05:42 Dave: module problem? Does "lsmod" show a bunch of "snd-*" modules? Aug 18 00:05:43 yep Aug 18 00:05:50 I updated and it's still missing Aug 18 00:06:26 Which device is missing? Aug 18 00:06:29 montour, interestingly enough there is! Aug 18 00:06:44 missing? Aug 18 00:06:48 audio / dsp Aug 18 00:07:27 Dave: check in /dev/snd Aug 18 00:07:43 hmm Aug 18 00:07:44 Check for the snd-pcm-oss module Aug 18 00:07:47 yeah? Aug 18 00:07:57 Dave: pastebin ls /dev/snd Aug 18 00:08:05 there is none Aug 18 00:08:06 I'm trying to install gestures on latest fso, it depends on libnotify but do not have such in the feeds. Is libenotify0 the same thing ? Aug 18 00:08:10 mmontour, it's not loaded anyway Aug 18 00:08:40 actually I gonna reboot Aug 18 00:08:42 Try to modprobe it, or "opkg install" its package if it's not there. Aug 18 00:08:54 hmm Aug 18 00:09:09 montour it didn't load it :| Aug 18 00:10:02 By the way, before I got this when updating: FATAL: Error inserting snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753 (/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/sound/soc/s3c24xx/snd-soc-neo1973-wm8753.ko): No such device Aug 18 00:10:14 but that's probably just because it was missing, when the update ran :P Aug 18 00:10:53 Dave: tryied some older working rootfs+kernel? Aug 18 00:11:08 I WAS Aug 18 00:11:15 and? Aug 18 00:11:18 nothing Aug 18 00:11:23 then changed to a newer one and no Aug 18 00:11:26 shitty Aug 18 00:11:33 who stoled my audioz! Aug 18 00:11:45 I'd try "opkg install kernel-module-snd-pcm-oss" (or something like that). If that doesn't help, then I dunno (and I don't have access to my FR right now) Aug 18 00:13:08 fuck Aug 18 00:13:17 simplyinstalled in root is up to date o_O Aug 18 00:14:56 wtfbbq Aug 18 00:17:15 can someone point me to an libnotify.ipk or a feed so I can install on my fso ? Aug 18 00:19:00 bah Aug 18 00:19:03 fso Aug 18 00:19:25 Dave, what r u running ? Aug 18 00:19:42 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libnotify_0.4.4-r0_armv4t.ipk ? Aug 18 00:19:50 hipitihop, hmm? Aug 18 00:20:52 Dave, happen to know if that feed is compatible with the latest fso ? Aug 18 00:22:03 nope Aug 18 00:22:16 fuck fso? :D Aug 18 00:22:29 I hear fso2 or whatever the new one is kind of blows Aug 18 00:23:17 Dave: better than 2008.8 :) Aug 18 00:24:11 Dave I also hear it is the most stable stack and I'm not quite sure but I think this http://shr.bearstech.com is fso2++ or fso3 who knows Aug 18 00:25:17 oh, looks like an FSO daily build Aug 18 00:26:52 I've been having trouble connecting to my network with FSO recently Aug 18 00:26:58 cjb, bleeding edge :-) Aug 18 00:27:09 I don't know if it's exclusively related to FSO or not.. I'm testing out Qtopia right now Aug 18 00:27:21 TankC, no prob at all with this one Aug 18 00:27:40 Weird, my SIM card might be loose or something Aug 18 00:27:46 TankC, I assume you are talking about wifi Aug 18 00:27:55 No, GSM Aug 18 00:28:22 TankC, ok, sorry ignore previous then. I still have not succeeded with GSM Aug 18 00:29:29 Ah, yeah Aug 18 00:29:31 It's FSO related Aug 18 00:29:40 Qtopia connects within seconds Aug 18 00:30:04 TankC, for gsm I found qtopia is most reliable so far Aug 18 00:32:13 Qtopia's OS is really impressive Aug 18 00:32:30 I think I'm going to keep this as my main phone and then test FSO off of the memory card Aug 18 00:32:53 hm, can I enter dfu-util from outside uboot, to flash a new rootfs? Aug 18 00:33:04 I hope not Aug 18 00:33:09 my AUX button is broken :( Aug 18 00:33:23 can't manage to trigger a uboot entry. Aug 18 00:33:49 TankC, it is and certainly appears more integrated and complete but imho the l & f is somewhat kiddie. I think that is why the ASU and similar should be interesting with Qtopia on X11 + ETK Aug 18 00:35:18 cjb: newest u-boot supports a "stop_in_menu = yes" envirnomnent variable that will boot into the u-boot menu without pressing aux Aug 18 00:35:37 mmontour: great, now I just need a way to flash uboot without AUX ;-) Aug 18 00:36:27 should be able to flash it from inside linux, but I haven't tried it. Or try to get in quickly before it starts booting (should be a few seconds of delay there) Aug 18 00:37:20 when I held down the mostly broken AUX button and power on, the AUX light flashes red once just before it powers up Aug 18 00:37:22 what's that mean? Aug 18 00:37:49 not sure Aug 18 00:38:33 actually I'm not sure if u-boot can be flashed from inside Linux - it might mess up the out-of-band pointer for the environment offset. I'll have to test it later. Aug 18 00:39:37 oh, it always flashes red before powering on Aug 18 00:40:40 cjb :[ Aug 18 00:42:31 cjb, correct, do you press hold power + aux button for 8 seconds? Aug 18 00:42:40 cjb: try to get into the u-boot console right after it powers up. Then you can set a longer "bootdelay" and also set that "stop_in_menu" variable Aug 18 00:42:54 hipitihop: I try. It worked fine until my AUX button broke (no longer depresses when I put force on it) Aug 18 00:43:07 eek Aug 18 00:44:17 cjb: use a wire to bridge the AUX contacts on the PCB Aug 18 00:44:34 rwhitby: yeah. I don't have a Torx set here. Aug 18 00:44:41 I imagine I can just fix the button somehow once I'm inside. Aug 18 00:45:15 what exactly is qipkg? Aug 18 00:45:39 cjb: if you clear the kernel partition from inside linux, then u-boot should drop into a shell which it fails to boot the kernel Aug 18 00:45:53 s/which/when/ Aug 18 00:46:15 dd /dev/zero into the kernel mtd should do it Aug 18 00:47:21 oh, that's good -- mmontour was right, there's a window Aug 18 00:47:52 hmph, but it throws a CRC error Aug 18 00:48:18 rwhitby, do you happen to know if libnotify and others it depends on e.g. gtk+, libpixman etc is available for latest shr based fso build ? Aug 18 00:49:01 hipitihop: unless it's part of fso-image or task-openmoko-feed dependencies, then no. Aug 18 00:49:54 not part of image but no idea what task-openmoko-feed is so looking it up, thanks Aug 18 00:53:10 building libnotify now Aug 18 00:53:35 it doesn't seem to trigger any other dependencies Aug 18 00:53:59 okay, i'll ask you guys Aug 18 00:54:23 about 2 months ago, there was still hot debate over whethere or not human involvement in global climate change was even substantial Aug 18 00:54:34 hipitihop: where is the wiki page which tells me what people will be doing with libnotify after it's built? Aug 18 00:54:34 yet now some of my news sources speak about it as if it's a fact we did it Aug 18 00:54:45 when did this come about? Aug 18 00:55:10 about the time when people stopped taking notice of IRC topics ... Aug 18 00:55:25 yup Aug 18 00:55:30 openmoko user LOUNGE Aug 18 00:55:40 this IS the offtopic channel Aug 18 00:56:16 rooly|away: I guess there is debate, but it's pretty fruitless debate. Either we did it and we can stop flooding the planet by changing, or we didn't do it and we're all going to die. Aug 18 00:56:24 right. let's talk about politics, abortion, devil worship and religion as well then shall we? Aug 18 00:56:29 okay Aug 18 00:56:41 So it's not clear what claiming we didn't do it really gets us here, other than denial followed by death ;-) Aug 18 00:56:41 rwhitby, not sure what you mean ? I'm trying to get gestures running Aug 18 00:57:12 abortion, i think noone should have choice over another even potentially human's life, but i don't really have much of a say in the matter other than "keep your pants on" Aug 18 00:57:15 also, the things we have to do to stop doing that coincide with things (e.g. using renewable energy) that are good ideas for many other reasons. Aug 18 00:57:27 devil worship, as long as it doesn't defile the dead or the living Aug 18 00:57:32 rooly|away: that makes no sense at all. Aug 18 00:57:35 whoa, what channel did i stumble into? Aug 18 00:57:35 religion, to each his own Aug 18 00:57:40 hipitihop: meet you in #openmoko-cdevel, this channel is now worthless Aug 18 00:57:53 hey, you brought those up, rwhitby Aug 18 00:57:57 if I decide that my wife and I aren't going to get pregnant this month, that's "having a say over a potential human's life". :) Aug 18 00:58:12 not quite Aug 18 00:58:36 preventative doesn't equal post-evident change Aug 18 00:58:43 roh: if you want this to continue, and for developers to exit this channel, please keep the LOUNGE part of the topic. If you want people who have answers to stay here, then please remove the LOUNGE part of the topic. Aug 18 00:59:09 * rwhitby moves to #openmoko-cdevel Aug 18 00:59:13 rooly|away: I guess I don't see why not. Seems like a semantic difference. Aug 18 00:59:26 * hipitihop follows rwhitby Aug 18 00:59:29 meh, like i said, not really my choice Aug 18 00:59:33 anyway Aug 18 00:59:33 roh: please remove the "lounge" part from the topic Aug 18 00:59:35 i don't like this Aug 18 00:59:38 yeah Aug 18 00:59:44 this wasn't nearly as much fun as I thought it would be Aug 18 00:59:47 let's solve this right now Aug 18 00:59:48 * cjb goes back to reflashing rootfs. Aug 18 00:59:53 cjb, if you're not a woman, shut the fuck up Aug 18 00:59:59 LOL Aug 18 01:00:04 what i asked about tho, when did the debate become decided? Aug 18 01:00:21 personal beliefs aside and all Aug 18 01:00:36 rooly|away: oh, the global warming one? Aug 18 01:00:39 yeah Aug 18 01:01:32 I don't think of it as decided. I think of it as "well, scientists seem to be about 70% sure that humans are causing climate change. and, how much more sure do you want us to be before we actually do something about it? when does the "experiment" stop, after the planet's irrecoverably damaged?" Aug 18 01:01:57 if there's even a 50/50 chance it's caused by human behavior, it's worth trying to stop. Aug 18 01:01:58 rooly|away: simple. I believe that the overwhelming consensus of actual scientists was hitting up against a jaded American public, and the opposing politicians saw polls showing a majority of voters no longer opposed the concept Aug 18 01:02:19 right then Aug 18 01:02:30 i'll maintain my belief then Aug 18 01:02:36 if ya wanna talk about it, lets go somewhere else Aug 18 01:02:38 The polar bears getting eaten by sharks tends to convince even the more head-in-the-ground voters that *something* is going on Aug 18 01:02:47 politics Aug 18 01:02:49 bleah! Aug 18 01:03:03 * JonCruz is still waiting to see the topic change Aug 18 01:03:05 :-) Aug 18 01:03:10 JonCruz, no one reasonably denies global warming, people simply argue if it's a natural phenomenon Aug 18 01:03:19 agreed Aug 18 01:03:25 no, there was significant denial that it even was occuring Aug 18 01:03:39 yeah, about five years ago. Aug 18 01:03:46 * rooly|away seconds both of you Aug 18 01:03:47 although by definition can politicians be deemed "reasonable" ? Aug 18 01:03:52 nope, hold no Aug 18 01:03:54 *on Aug 18 01:03:56 new channel Aug 18 01:03:58 lets discuss Aug 18 01:04:05 it's pretty easy to be conclusive about. we have ten different ways of measuring temperature, and we put them all over the world, and it turns out that it's hotter than it used to be. Aug 18 01:04:14 join #om-offtopic Aug 18 01:04:22 yeah, move it away so we can bicker over neo-related things Aug 18 01:04:45 but wait... isn't this still the "lounge"? Aug 18 01:04:46 :-) Aug 18 01:04:54 yeah Aug 18 01:04:56 okay, off to the bar, later. Aug 18 01:05:00 however, it's the OPENMOKO lounch Aug 18 01:05:09 happy? Aug 18 01:05:12 no Aug 18 01:05:33 rooly|away: thx Aug 18 01:05:51 * rooly|away just answered your questions as quickly and concisely as possible Aug 18 01:06:46 anyway, fso-testing now has libnotify. Aug 18 01:07:01 neat Aug 18 01:07:09 Does the qtopia stack support wifi? Aug 18 01:07:09 * rooly|away is gonna experiment with devices later today Aug 18 01:07:21 that will be quite useful :) Aug 18 01:07:43 Is Jordie P. in here? Aug 18 01:16:35 ieatlint: I think there's a typo in the topic Aug 18 01:17:38 rwhitby, fix my moko! Aug 18 01:20:30 fix it good! Aug 18 01:46:46 moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Aug 18 01:46:52 yes Aug 18 01:46:59 Any 'good' images lately? Aug 18 01:47:04 heh Aug 18 01:47:05 nah Aug 18 01:47:06 Dave: meow Aug 18 01:47:10 =^_^= Aug 18 01:47:32 <(*.*<) Aug 18 01:47:40 hah Aug 18 01:47:42 bah Aug 18 01:47:44 <(*.*)> Aug 18 01:47:54 (>*.*)> Aug 18 01:47:56 zzz Aug 18 01:48:09 okay then Aug 18 01:48:13 \o\ Aug 18 01:48:16 \o/ Aug 18 01:48:19 /o/ Aug 18 01:48:42 just /clear that all Aug 18 01:48:46 * torindel transforms into evil ninja audio stealing cat Aug 18 01:48:48 '(^.^)' Aug 18 01:48:53 uh oh Aug 18 01:48:59 kirby got his arms cut off Aug 18 01:51:44 Did they end up making the debian image fit on the flash drive yet? Or is it still a little too big? Aug 18 01:52:55 what about DSL? Aug 18 01:54:06 * torindel is compiling gentoo for moko atm Aug 18 01:54:43 torindel: That's a really neat idea, are you the first to do so? Aug 18 01:56:24 safiiru: dunno Aug 18 01:58:16 i havent seen any usable arm images however, thats why im building my own Aug 18 02:01:53 torindel: what are you going to do with gentoo on the openmoko? Aug 18 02:03:33 definitely not use it's package manager Aug 18 02:06:07 rooly|away: well it supports binary packages also ;p Aug 18 02:13:48 how do i retrieve the status of a device? Aug 18 02:22:47 hipitihop: unstable libnotify is there now Aug 18 02:39:28 rwhitby, ta Aug 18 02:39:57 :) fr is showing me the location of another om device owner relatively near by Aug 18 02:40:06 your so lucky Aug 18 02:45:04 rwhitby, now missing notification-daemon Aug 18 02:45:13 so Aug 18 02:45:21 does anyone know how to poll a device's status? Aug 18 02:48:36 hipitihop: test building Aug 18 02:49:33 Is anyone able to get classpath-native to build on Debian Lenny? Aug 18 02:52:19 rwhitby: that thing doesnt build on oe either Aug 18 02:53:12 torindel: ah good, it's not just me. Aug 18 02:53:28 it's blocking all java stuff from entering the fso feeds Aug 18 02:54:09 java... ewwww Aug 18 02:54:47 rwhitby: ;] Aug 18 02:54:52 raster: ;] Aug 18 02:55:32 rwhitby: where do i go to poll device status? Aug 18 02:55:49 hipitihop: notification-daemon being built for fso-testing and fso-unstable feeds now Aug 18 02:56:09 rooly|away: ah, you're interested in on-topic stuff now, hey? Aug 18 02:56:19 i just asked a single question Aug 18 02:56:25 openmoko: 03tick * r4597 10/trunk/feeds/community-repository/file-index.txt: [multiverse] adding the moko-sudoku game to multiverse repository Aug 18 02:56:26 it's just a really hard one not to spark a debate Aug 18 02:56:30 are there any GPS apps for qtopia? Aug 18 02:56:37 rooly|away: ok, I'll stop digging :-) Aug 18 02:56:56 but really, how do i? Aug 18 02:57:12 can you expand on the question? I don't get what you're asking. Aug 18 02:57:13 ie, how do i find out the status of say, the accellerometers or the gps Aug 18 02:57:27 the power status Aug 18 02:57:33 the raw way is files under /sys/ ... Aug 18 02:57:43 that's the way i want Aug 18 02:57:48 (i.e. querying the kernel directly) Aug 18 02:58:00 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs Aug 18 02:58:09 i swear i paste that link more than any other Aug 18 02:58:16 yeah, that's the page. Aug 18 02:58:28 the answer to my question was on the wiki, apologies :| Aug 18 02:58:49 ~sysfs Aug 18 02:59:08 no web browser or GPS, man... stability vs. flexibility, rough Aug 18 02:59:38 ~logs Aug 18 02:59:44 ~logs Aug 18 02:59:46 !logs Aug 18 02:59:46 Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: Aug 18 02:59:47 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko Aug 18 02:59:48 Live-logs are available at Aug 18 02:59:50 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog Aug 18 02:59:53 See ?? help-logs for usage instructions Aug 18 02:59:54 benlake, we're promised qtopia 4.4 "very soon" which will have gps and browser **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 18 02:59:57 2008