**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 18 02:59:57 2008 Aug 18 03:00:07 i'm still liking minimo Aug 18 03:00:19 Hmm - no bot with factoid support in here ... Aug 18 03:00:25 ieatlint: oh wow, sweet Aug 18 03:00:25 minimo works, but its UI is sketchy Aug 18 03:00:52 i've had issues with it's url completion, for instance Aug 18 03:01:02 ieatlint: the default browser on 2007.2 was much more so :) Aug 18 03:01:09 start typing a url, and it tries to match a website in my history, and i can't finish typing the url then Aug 18 03:01:39 its better than what's available Aug 18 03:01:41 benlake, mosaic is better than that ;) Aug 18 03:03:09 * rooly|away tries something Aug 18 03:03:14 i found something out Aug 18 03:03:26 the FR using 2008.8 suspends correctly Aug 18 03:03:30 and wakes up also Aug 18 03:03:36 however, the backlight doesn't turn on Aug 18 03:03:42 so i'm gonna test this Aug 18 03:03:47 heh ... I got a VoIP call up on my FR with one-way robot sounding audio Aug 18 03:03:52 that's ... progress, sort of Aug 18 03:04:05 oh my god Aug 18 03:04:11 the wakeup worked Aug 18 03:04:58 anyone running the qtopia build have a means of getting contact info sync'd? Aug 18 03:05:16 yeah, export to sim card Aug 18 03:05:20 and then import back Aug 18 03:05:21 rooly|away, That phrase would make a good ringtone. Aug 18 03:05:54 rooly|away: that's a so so answer, SIMs don't hold multiple numbers per contact Aug 18 03:06:04 i know Aug 18 03:06:06 but it's a way Aug 18 03:06:23 rooly|away: I appreciate the answer, and its correctness :P Aug 18 03:06:49 you could always write a program that connects to the mysql database, and the exports it to a text file Aug 18 03:07:04 "the mysql database"? Aug 18 03:07:20 where did MySQL come from? Aug 18 03:07:28 i may be mistaken on the type of database, but the qtopia contacts are stored in a database file Aug 18 03:07:39 someone on here said that actually Aug 18 03:07:41 hmm, SQLite perhaps? Aug 18 03:07:45 perhaps Aug 18 03:07:47 sql Aug 18 03:07:50 :P Aug 18 03:08:03 is a language Aug 18 03:08:16 http://sqlitebrowser.sourceforge.net Aug 18 03:08:32 haha, ok hipitihop we're just speculating Aug 18 03:09:42 hipitihop: fso-testing notification-daemon is up, fso-unstable now building Aug 18 03:10:07 benlake, I've already used it to open the qtopia db and it supports scv export out of the box. Unfortunately qtopia stores contatacts and phone numbers in seperate tables so a little more involved to get a useful export Aug 18 03:10:21 what are the power expectations for the phone during suspend? Aug 18 03:10:30 hipitihop: cool and ouch Aug 18 03:10:57 oy vey Aug 18 03:11:10 has anyone succeeded in writing a bluetooth app yet, or will i have to do it Aug 18 03:11:15 torindel: I'm pointing the finger at ecj-initial - I have a build that works on ubuntu-7.10 but not on Debian Lenny, and the inputs to ecj-initial are the same Aug 18 03:11:22 hipitihop: got a file path for that SQLite DB? Aug 18 03:11:25 and by bluetooth app, i mean one that succesfully forwards calls to a headset Aug 18 03:12:02 * hipitihop trying to remember back when he had qtopia stack flashed Aug 18 03:12:03 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * ra08e01b98cf5 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/ (action.py oevents.py trigger.py): Aug 18 03:12:03 freesmartphone.org: [oeventsd] Can connect to a DBus object signal before it has been created Aug 18 03:12:03 freesmartphone.org: So that we don't need to call the Init method. Aug 18 03:12:03 freesmartphone.org: Thanks to Mickey for the advice. Aug 18 03:12:34 hipitihop: I want to import contacts Aug 18 03:12:44 hipitihop: filename I can search Aug 18 03:13:27 benlake, if you have them on sim then qtopia will import them auto, it did for me Aug 18 03:13:59 hipitihop: I gotcha :P rooly|away was clear on that. I would like to get the multiple numbers per contact in Aug 18 03:14:04 rwhitby: thats why i dont like debian ;] Aug 18 03:14:20 torindel: ecj-initial is built by OE ... Aug 18 03:16:07 rwhitby, cool, notification-deamon installed and other dependencies now satisfied, gestures now installed. Standby to see if anything works Aug 18 03:18:11 * hipitihop is quivering with expectation, gestures training seems to be working Aug 18 03:18:13 what devices is the wlan on Aug 18 03:18:26 hipitihop: nice Aug 18 03:19:15 hipitihop: what image are you using? Aug 18 03:19:36 rooly|away: eth0, iirc Aug 18 03:19:40 no no no Aug 18 03:19:45 device under /sys Aug 18 03:19:55 rwhitby: and thats on native host side and doesnt produce ipk Aug 18 03:20:31 plus you need more stuff than just ecj (gcj, classpaths) Aug 18 03:21:32 torindel: are you saying it could be a missing host package dependency? Aug 18 03:22:05 AntonTakk, http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/images/neo1973/ 17-aug Aug 18 03:22:06 * rwhitby knows nothing about java stuff, just trying to get the last four packages in task-openmoko-feed to build on the autobuilder ... Aug 18 03:22:45 hipitihop: using it as a phone, too? Aug 18 03:24:01 rwhitby: i'm just saying that ecj-initial is first bitbake file thats build for your native arch, and other bitbake files that build for moko target depend on it Aug 18 03:24:17 torindel: right. Aug 18 03:24:40 and somehow the behaviour of ecj-initial is different on Ubuntu-7.10 and Debian Lenny. Aug 18 03:24:43 but its for native arch therefore it doesnt produce any ipks for moko Aug 18 03:24:48 correct Aug 18 03:24:56 AntonTakk, couldnt get gsm going ion the unstable but now on testing have not yet tried. Aug 18 03:25:04 hipitihop: found it, ~/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite Aug 18 03:25:21 benlake, correct ;-) Aug 18 03:25:39 hipitihop: this multiple table thing is a bit funk-tastic Aug 18 03:26:16 benlake, is that good or bad ? Aug 18 03:26:38 hipitihop: funky, odd, not straightforward :) Aug 18 03:27:15 hrm, i'd love to have some of the recent fixes to fso, but i need to be able to make/receive calls above all else Aug 18 03:27:39 AntonTakk: qtopia seems to be functional in that regard Aug 18 03:28:09 AntonTakk: I also let it suspend overnight and it woke up to a call Aug 18 03:28:13 AntonTakk: I'm using the same image and just made a call out Aug 18 03:28:15 battery it fair Aug 18 03:28:16 pfft, i have tried qtopia several times, it seems pretty and nice at first, but it has a nasty after taste Aug 18 03:28:18 benlake, agree, but pretty standard qhen using sql schemas, at least it is all in one place but unfortunately I'm ot aware of any easy way of interacting with the rest of the world like SyncML Aug 18 03:28:35 AntonTakk: ;] Aug 18 03:29:08 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r69ebcf73680d 10/framework/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Aug 18 03:29:08 freesmartphone.org: Added a 'get_object' class method to Controller Aug 18 03:29:08 freesmartphone.org: So that the subsystems can retrieve any registered DBus object without making a DBUs call. Aug 18 03:29:17 hipitihop: indeed Aug 18 03:29:42 rwhitby: the image hipitihop linked/mentioned? Aug 18 03:29:43 torindel: looks like ecj-initial is not creating the directories for the output class files Aug 18 03:30:02 AntonTakk: yes. That's the feeds that I maintain, and I only ever use -testing stuff Aug 18 03:30:13 ok, thanks Aug 18 03:31:13 has anyone tried building mozilla mobile/fennec for the neo? Aug 18 03:32:54 woohoo !! gestures now works. Screen orientation changes !! cudos to rwhitby for getting all packages built in feeds. Aug 18 03:33:30 hipitihop: so it's a one line ipk install for fso-testing now? Aug 18 03:33:55 hipitihop: try rotating screen couple of times Aug 18 03:34:58 hipitihop: you'll get full screen of nice colorfull strips thanks to Xglamo bugs ;p Aug 18 03:35:10 rwhitby, indeed 'opkg install http://accelges.googlecode.com/files/accelges_0.1.0-svnr204-r2_armv4t.ipk' Aug 18 03:36:56 torindel, not here, no glitches yet Aug 18 03:37:31 * rwhitby remembers that he's testing on a GTA01, so installing that ipk is not going to be much use to him ... Aug 18 03:38:25 hipitihop: well it doesnt ocur immediatley and i wouldnt call it a glitch since only way to fix your screen after is to reboot ;] Aug 18 03:38:45 torindel: xserver restart doesn't fix it? Aug 18 03:39:10 torindel, ok I'll watch out for it. Aug 18 03:39:22 torindel: couldn't x just use it as a vesa frame buffer to avoid all this glamo junk? Aug 18 03:39:24 rwhitby: most of the time i got it "in terain" so i couldnt ssh to moko Aug 18 03:39:31 nod Aug 18 03:40:28 rwhitby, so you have gsm working on http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing ? Aug 18 03:41:22 hipitihop: yep. doesn't work on very first boot after flashing, and you have to go into the dialer to power up the gsm, but after that it at least calls in and out. I don't use the gta01 as a regular phone, so haven't tested more than that. Aug 18 03:42:11 * rwhitby wonders how to debug ecj-initial (a .jar file as far as I can see) not creating output subdirectories. Aug 18 03:42:35 rwhitby, hm I have gta02 .. I think I had simialr when I first tried fso some weeks back... I started zhone and now have 4 large numeric squares overlaid on diler Aug 18 03:42:52 yep, push them in order Aug 18 03:42:59 * hipitihop wishes he could spell, blames keyboard Aug 18 03:43:21 then push the phone icon Aug 18 03:43:44 should get carrier name in top left shortly after that Aug 18 03:43:47 i have always had to open the dialer 2x before it would register to the gsm network Aug 18 03:44:14 looking at zhone code, seems it doesn't check/register untill you open the dialer Aug 18 03:45:22 * rwhitby decides to copy the build directory for classpath-native from ubuntu to debian and then fake out the OE stamps. Aug 18 03:47:41 rwhitby, AntonTakk , indeed now connectedd and can make calls ... what a day of progress for em Aug 18 03:48:05 * hipitihop sighs at keyboard again Aug 18 03:48:32 hipitihop: I'm sure mickey_away would be very happy for you to send an email about gestures working on fso ... Aug 18 03:48:40 keyboard problems? Aug 18 03:49:18 AntonTakk, problem is between keyboard and chair Aug 18 03:53:18 rwhitby, happy to, don't have his address handy though Aug 18 03:53:39 hehe, we still start portmap on boot :) Aug 18 03:56:59 hipitihop: I meant to the mailing list Aug 18 03:57:43 OK, trying to build fso-image but illume-theme-freesmartphone is failing in do_install because it can't find 'illume.edj'. Anyone have any suggestions? Aug 18 03:57:57 just tried installing accelges on this image and it says it can't find libnotify Aug 18 04:01:51 AntonTakk: you need to modify the files under /etc/opkg to point to the fso-testing feeds Aug 18 04:02:25 yeah, realised that after i realised i forgot opkg update Aug 18 04:02:43 mmontour: fso-testing or fso-unstable? Aug 18 04:03:33 hipitihop: did you need to do anything other than install the packages to get screen rotation working? Aug 18 04:03:41 Not sure - org.openmoko.dev git branch in MokoMakefile (+ autorev). I'm still somewhat lost in this cluster-fork of different distributions Aug 18 04:03:55 autorev means unstable Aug 18 04:04:04 ok Aug 18 04:04:07 evening. Aug 18 04:04:45 mmontour: did you set git site correctly to git.oe.net? Aug 18 04:05:22 no, still pointing to git.openmoko.org. I'll try that now. Aug 18 04:05:35 you need to point to git.oe.net for fso Aug 18 04:05:45 git.openembedded.net that is Aug 18 04:06:46 AntonTakk, one line install, went straight into training from UI, after training did '/etc/init.d/gesd-neo2 restart' and then '/etc/init.d/gesl start' Aug 18 04:17:49 rotation isn't working for me :-\ Aug 18 04:20:19 SHR looks interesting but buggy. I guess "interesting but buggy" should be unsurprising to me by now. :) Aug 18 04:30:07 cjb: what are you referring to as "SHR" ? Aug 18 04:30:34 rwhitby: read wiki, distros page Aug 18 04:31:20 torindel: I know what SHR is, I'm wondering whether cjb really means SHR (for which I know of no existing image, or way to build it), or just fso-testing or fso-unstable Aug 18 04:31:24 rwhitby: http://shr.bearstech.com Aug 18 04:31:32 cjb: those are just builds of fso Aug 18 04:31:57 ah, okay. That's what I thought, actually, I've just taken to calling the fso-daily builds "SHR" for some reason. Aug 18 04:32:21 fso and shr are unrelated, other than the shr effort currently uses fso as the basis for development Aug 18 04:34:47 gah - now cacao-native fails to build in the same way as classpath-native, due to ecj-initial not creating output subdirectories. Aug 18 04:40:31 cjb, when you say buggy what doesn't work for you ? Aug 18 04:41:14 hipitihop: dbus fails sometimes, so none of the Zhone functions work Aug 18 04:41:24 even when they do, launching the dialer fails Aug 18 04:41:32 it looks for the modem on /dev/pts6 Aug 18 04:41:38 according to frameworkd output Aug 18 04:41:43 and that's not a good place to find a modem, afaics Aug 18 04:41:51 Is there anyone online who understands how to add a package to the Community Repository? Aug 18 04:42:07 other than that, it seems fine. Input rotation doesn't work, XGlamo needs to be updated. Aug 18 04:44:42 cjb, is that on gta02 ? Aug 18 04:44:42 hipitihop: ^ Aug 18 04:44:44 hipitihop: yup Aug 18 04:45:01 3/4 boots got me "no dbus" in zhone Aug 18 04:45:09 and then the fourth one picked it up, was surprising Aug 18 04:45:15 but there's still the modem port problem Aug 18 04:46:55 cjb: thats after gsm muxer Aug 18 04:47:05 so its normal Aug 18 04:47:38 bwuh? Aug 18 04:47:57 sorry, don't understand. oh, the port is normal? well, I also have an error saying it can't find a modem on the port. Aug 18 04:48:09 it keeps trying repeatedly to open it, every two seconds Aug 18 04:48:28 cjb: check gsm0710muxd Aug 18 04:49:05 gsm0710muxd claims real modem, and mux it onto couple of devices Aug 18 04:49:35 root@om-gta02:~# /etc/init.d/gsm0710muxd stop Aug 18 04:49:35 no process in pidfile '/var/run/gsm0710muxd.pid' found; none killed Aug 18 04:49:40 cjb: so you can have frameworkd on one of them. gprs connection on another etc Aug 18 04:49:59 cjb: killall gsm0710muxd; /usr/sbin/gsm0710muxd Aug 18 04:50:15 * cjb did {stop, start} Aug 18 04:50:52 hm, it seems to have found the modem, yet I hit the dialer app and it stayed blue for a while but then deselected itself without launching Aug 18 04:51:18 probably sms bug Aug 18 04:51:29 check phonebook and sms list Aug 18 04:51:38 empty? Aug 18 04:51:47 both empty Aug 18 04:51:49 it's a fresh reflash Aug 18 04:52:01 just patch framework Aug 18 04:52:54 cjb: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py Aug 18 04:53:03 okay, what patch? Aug 18 04:53:13 KenYoung: from looking at projects.openmoko.org it seems that you do a GForge file release, and then tell someone at OM Aug 18 04:53:38 alternatively, contribute an OE recipe and I'll add it to task-openmoko-feed ... Aug 18 04:53:55 cjb: line 154: "if b not in "\r\n":" to "if b not in "\r\n" or self.curline.count('"')%2:" Aug 18 04:54:06 rwhitby, THere in lies the rub. I have no idea how to make bitbake files. Aug 18 04:54:25 (line before: def state_inline( self, b, s ):) Aug 18 04:54:27 torindel: looks like I already have that. Aug 18 04:54:35 torindel: Aug 18 04:54:36 def state_inline( self, b, s ): Aug 18 04:54:36 # FIXME checking the number of " in self.curline violates Aug 18 04:54:36 # the state machine layer and slows down the parser. Aug 18 04:54:40 # We better map this to the state machine instead. Aug 18 04:54:44 if b not in "\r\n" or self.curline.count('"')%2: Aug 18 04:55:10 rwhitby, I have tidied up my source code, so that the gnu automake stuff works, but I've not found a page that describe bitbake well enough for me to understand it. Aug 18 04:55:33 cjb: well they borked something else in parser then Aug 18 04:55:39 KenYoung: have you read the bitbake and openembedded user manuals? Aug 18 04:55:55 cjb: check frameworkd output Aug 18 04:55:59 yeah, odd that there aren't any errors in frameworkd Aug 18 04:56:06 restarted it? Aug 18 04:56:16 the last thing frameworkd says is "ALL CHANNELS OK, START TRAFFICKING.." Aug 18 04:56:17 after starting gsm muxer? Aug 18 04:56:20 yes Aug 18 04:56:22 oh Aug 18 04:56:24 maybe :) Aug 18 04:56:25 * cjb tries Aug 18 04:56:34 rwhitby, I never really found a bitbake manual - is it trivial to find on the OE site? Aug 18 04:56:49 also try restarting zhone after you restart framework Aug 18 04:57:11 ok Aug 18 04:57:47 KenYoung: first google hit for "Bitbake manual" here ... Aug 18 04:57:48 rwhitby, I'm confused about why I must figure out bitbake anyway - i it seems to me that as long as I have functional .ipk files, that should be enough. Clearly I don't understand dome critical things. Aug 18 04:58:08 nope, restarted everything and not helping. Aug 18 04:58:10 * cjb pokes logs Aug 18 04:58:25 KenYoung: depends whether you subscribe to the "someone contributes a binary package" or "someone contributes a recipe to build a binary package automatically" Aug 18 04:58:32 same :( says START TRAFFICKING, and yet the dialer fails to launch Aug 18 04:58:51 I believe the Community Repository accepts the former, but OE only accepts the latter. Aug 18 04:59:24 (that's the two alternatives I referred to previously) Aug 18 05:00:09 rwhitby, So must one fold one's source code into the, for example, 2008.8 source tree in order to get it into the Community Repository? It seems like a messy way to handle third party applications. Aug 18 05:00:16 torindel: ah, now I have lots of Aug 18 05:00:26 .. oh, gps errors. bleh. Aug 18 05:00:31 KenYoung: that's not what I said Aug 18 05:01:07 a bitbake file is a recipe to fetch the source from whereever it currently exists on the internet and build it. Aug 18 05:01:12 KenYoung check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CommunityRepository and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Create_package_on_projects.openmoko.org_and_upload Aug 18 05:01:30 rwhitby, OK, I guess I just don't get it. Why can't I send someone a .ipk file, and ask them to roll it into the Community Repository? Aug 18 05:02:02 KenYoung: you can. that's the first alternative. The second alternative is to contribute an OE bitbake recipe instead. Aug 18 05:02:33 roh: how are you going to protect against a rogue element contributing a binary .ipk file with a trojan in it to the community repository? Aug 18 05:02:41 rwhitby, So to whom do I send my .ipk file? Aug 18 05:02:58 KenYoung: roh just answered that question for you Aug 18 05:03:15 rwhitby it only goes in when someone manually changes the file which is used as list of files to include (the file is in svn) Aug 18 05:03:51 roh: so are you guys going to rebuild it from source, or are you trusting that the binary you got does not have a trojan in it? Aug 18 05:03:59 roh, I find http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CommunityRepository to terse to be helpful. Aug 18 05:04:00 rwhitby https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/feeds/community-repository/file-index.txt Aug 18 05:04:19 roh: the question still stands. Aug 18 05:04:30 rwhitby it diffs the fresh generated list and the list in svn and sends the result to the mailinglist Aug 18 05:04:36 roh: the question still stands. Aug 18 05:04:56 I can do a GForge file release of any trojan-laden binary file Aug 18 05:05:15 roh, And I have already done what is described in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Create_package_on_projects.openmoko.org_and_upload Aug 18 05:05:22 how do you project the openmoko community against that if you are not building the released packages from source? Aug 18 05:05:31 rwhitby yes.. it means only stuff manually added goes into the feed. means someone needs to test if first Aug 18 05:05:46 rwhitby and yes.. of course testing on binaries is limited. Aug 18 05:06:03 roh: ah, so I just make sure that my trojan has a two week time delay on it before executing ... Aug 18 05:06:15 (to get it through the testing of the binary) Aug 18 05:06:54 rwhitby as it would in source on some buildhost Aug 18 05:07:12 roh: ah, but I can look at the source Aug 18 05:07:19 rwhitby, To get the protection you desire would require more than just integrating the code into the source tree, it would require someone to read the source code very carefully. Even that would not be foolproof. Aug 18 05:07:34 nothing is foolproof, but there are accepted standards. Aug 18 05:07:52 rwhitby no.. you need to trust the buildhost has the right one and nobody broke that md5 Aug 18 05:08:07 accepting binaries from random third party developers and deploying them into a community repository falls on the wrong side of my personal standard for security. Aug 18 05:08:46 roh: buildhost is controlled by openmoko. I have to trust someone, you guys could put a binary in the GSM firmware if you wanted to. Aug 18 05:09:03 rwhitby: we could add selinux to the om kernels ;) Aug 18 05:09:05 rwhitby, How would you like to see third party software distributed? Are you opposed to any of it being seen by the 2008.8 installer? Aug 18 05:09:33 * cjb notes that perl's CPAN is pretty open to anyone uploading random modules -- even overwriting someone else's namespace without their consent -- and (as far as he knows) has never seen a trojan. Aug 18 05:09:58 KenYoung: in my opinion, an OE bitbake recipe should be contributed, the name of that package is added to task-openmoko-feed.bb, and then the trusted OM autobuilder builds it from source Aug 18 05:10:16 cjb: but perl isnt some binary blob, you can easly see whats inside ;] Aug 18 05:10:51 torindel: many perl extensions are shipped as libc shared libraries. Aug 18 05:10:52 numtyphysics is addictive :) Aug 18 05:11:14 KenYoung: and the means by which that binary is built from that source must be automatically repeatable by a third-party machine Aug 18 05:11:31 cjb: those fail right at the start if they dont ship source code for it Aug 18 05:11:57 they ship source, but I don't think they guarantee that the binaries were built from that source Aug 18 05:11:59 (much like Debian) Aug 18 05:12:05 AntonTakk: uninstall it ;] Aug 18 05:12:11 it should not depend upon manual building using instructions that may only be in the head of a random third-party developer, who then gets hit by a bus and no-one knows how to rebuild the contributed ipk from source ... Aug 18 05:12:14 every year or so Debian tries to rebuild its binary packages from their src debs. It doesn't go very well. Aug 18 05:12:39 rwhitby yes.. but md5 is something we can consider atleast partially broken in reality and thats all whats there on protection against trojaned source anyways Aug 18 05:13:44 roh: that's a different vector (which requires someone breaking openmoko's buildhost security) to the one I'm talking about (which does not require anyone breaking any security, it just requires a malicious developer) Aug 18 05:13:51 cjb: i thought most built just fine Aug 18 05:14:13 roh: I think what rwhitby is saying is that it doesn't make sense to consider something "broken" in the absence of a threat model. Aug 18 05:14:36 and the threat model that says "openmoko gets compromised" has many other unwanted features alongside md5 collisions. Aug 18 05:14:48 indeed. Aug 18 05:14:53 rwhitby no. it does not require breaking om, it requires generating a tarball with the same md5 and be somewhere in the net on the path to the packages source Aug 18 05:15:18 cjb: at least FBFS buugs ar taken seriously Aug 18 05:15:23 cjb well..thats why i renamed community-repository to multiverse and why we favor people adding packages to oe. Aug 18 05:15:38 cjb of course we want source. and proper reproduceable builds. Aug 18 05:16:19 roh: generating md5 with similar (sane) size is hard Aug 18 05:16:38 and generating md5 with same size is almost imposible ;] Aug 18 05:16:46 roh: I realise that there will be a need to accept binaries from random third party developers, especially when the OE learning curve is so high. it doesn't mean I need to like it, and it doesn't mean it should be made so easy that no-one contributes OE recipes :-) Aug 18 05:16:49 i dunno if the size is noted in oe... is it? Aug 18 05:16:57 it's not Aug 18 05:16:58 i know that its url and md5 hash Aug 18 05:17:43 yeah.. size should be added. and better switch to sha or some combination form md5 and sha Aug 18 05:17:47 note that that would also require them being able to modify the target of the URL, or would be a visible commit source code change to the recipe changeing ftp.gnu.org to my.random.hacker.malicious.site Aug 18 05:18:22 rwhitby easy... compromising dns is kiddiecrap since people us isc software everywhere Aug 18 05:18:24 again, a much harder threat model than the community repository, which only requires a malicious developer and nothing else Aug 18 05:18:33 roh: i vote for size+md5+sha ;] Aug 18 05:18:43 torindel: i have two files with same size but different md5 Aug 18 05:18:53 lindi-: that's not the goal Aug 18 05:18:55 its not that djb didnt talk about the dns over 5 years ago ;) Aug 18 05:19:07 lindi-: the goal is to have two files with same size but different md5 *such that* one file is malicious and one isn't Aug 18 05:19:15 again, the current multiverse requires nothing to be broken or compromised. just a malicious person who can create an ipk binary with a time-bomb in it Aug 18 05:19:31 torindel in the end thats what the oe devels need to do and decide Aug 18 05:19:46 more like with same md5 and one with malicios content and other not Aug 18 05:19:47 rwhitby as every binary distribution channel. Aug 18 05:19:54 cjb: if i can generate both then it is doable Aug 18 05:20:02 roh: indeed. Aug 18 05:20:10 rwhitby same is true for the multiverse or commercial feeds in ubuntu.. Aug 18 05:20:18 yep Aug 18 05:20:20 lindi-: if you can't do that, and we're talking about someone getting supercomputer time and performing cryptographic research to insert a hacked .ipk into openmoko, then.. I think one of us needs to take a step back from the keyboard. Aug 18 05:20:35 Especially since, as rwhitby points out, they could just _do that through community_. Aug 18 05:20:36 even when one doesnt think of mallicious intent when flash is remote exploitable *cough* Aug 18 05:21:11 Roh, Thanks for your pointer. I just submitted a .ipk file to the community repository as described in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Create_package_on_projects.openmoko.org_and_upload. Can you tell me what happens next? What happens to that .ipk file? Aug 18 05:21:15 cjb: i use touchscreen so thatd be you :) Aug 18 05:21:20 :) Aug 18 05:21:33 rwhitby means 'yes of course multiverse needs a big red stickytape label' on in which says 'use with nu gurantees whatsoever' Aug 18 05:22:21 KenYoung when some people tested it (manual download from gforge) and say its ok, we change the index in svn and it ends up in the feed. Aug 18 05:22:43 roh: yep, that's exactly what I mean. It's a necessary evil, but people should be made aware of the risk they are taking by using it. Aug 18 05:22:59 i currently do not have a sane testing setup for such things(testing other stuff) Aug 18 05:23:20 roh, Cool! Thanks. Do you still administer the OM gForge site? Aug 18 05:23:38 * rwhitby then considers how a malicious developer could get a safe version through testing, and then substitute the same version later with a trojan ... Aug 18 05:23:53 KenYoung yes sometimes when it breaks again Aug 18 05:24:10 does anyone know when the openmoko web store will be stocked again? Aug 18 05:24:23 that's pretty odd. just reflashed to FSO 2, and now I get "no dbus" there too. Aug 18 05:24:44 openmoko is focused on selling via retailers Aug 18 05:24:49 roh: having said all this, I'll probably install stuff from the multiverse just like any other trusting schmuck :-) Aug 18 05:24:55 i wouldnt wait for the store Aug 18 05:25:45 rwhitby if you think you can verbalize the warning properly, feel free to add it somewhere to the wiki or start a discussion on some ml ;) Aug 18 05:26:05 gpx store doesn't list a phone number on their site and only shows the 1973 and not the FR on their website Aug 18 05:26:13 cjb: reboot if its first boot Aug 18 05:26:19 rwhitby i am just glad i could avoid that we have a list of http links to pull the files. Aug 18 05:26:40 roh, I have a problem with the gForge site. When I try to examine statistics, for example the download statistics for my project, the web form substitute "No Change" for whatever I select in the Areas: pulldown menu for Project Activity. Do you know what I might be doing wrong? Aug 18 05:26:57 nope.. but statistics are basically broken Aug 18 05:26:59 roh: indeed, it is much better than pointing to some random http url Aug 18 05:27:16 and the ones it would generate would not say much about a project anyways... Aug 18 05:27:24 roh, OK, that's essentially what I needed to know. Aug 18 05:27:46 so nobody bothered to fix them yet... if there is true interrest we could put that into the ticketing again for really boring times Aug 18 05:27:56 Thank you rwhitby and roh, for your help! Aug 18 05:28:52 KenYoung: what's the app? Aug 18 05:29:15 ok so if they're not concerned about stocking the webstore which company would best to order from in the USA? Aug 18 05:30:11 rwhitby, "orrery", see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Orrery Aug 18 05:30:48 KenYoung: nice. For a great app like that, someone else is bound to write a bitbake recipe for you. Aug 18 05:31:22 rwhitby, I should read the manual you pointed me to, and figure it out myself. Aug 18 05:31:45 KenYoung: do you have a source tarball for the 1.1 release? Aug 18 05:31:52 ah, now I see it. Aug 18 05:32:12 rwhitby, Yes, it's under the orrery downloads on the gForge site. Aug 18 05:32:39 KenYoung: the source is not in svn? Aug 18 05:33:22 rwhitby, No, I don't even know how to put it there. Aug 18 05:33:57 rwhitby, And my Makefile.am is an unholy thing... Aug 18 05:34:02 if you want other developers to help you with bug fixes and new features, you're going to need to put it svn ... Aug 18 05:34:54 rwhitby, Is there a wiki page describing how to put the code there? I'm familiar with CVS, but no other version control system. Aug 18 05:35:14 oh, you can use cvs on projects.om.org too I believe Aug 18 05:35:30 https://projects.openmoko.org/scm/?group_id=35 Aug 18 05:36:22 rwhitby, Thanks for that pointer. Aug 18 05:41:43 KenYoung: just had a look at your source package. Aug 18 05:42:16 The idea of the .bb file is that it fetches the true source package from somewhere else (in this case it would check it out from the projects.om.org public cvs server) Aug 18 05:42:49 then it builds it locally (applying any patches or other modifications which are stored in OE - note that the source code itself is *not* stored in OE) and creates the ipk Aug 18 05:46:10 KenYoung: your Makefile.am has hard-coded paths in it :-( Aug 18 05:46:18 and a hard-coded CC Aug 18 05:46:57 rwhitby, Yup, I know that's an abortion. I just don't knw the right way to do it. Aug 18 05:49:00 KenYoung: can you put up a tarball of just the sources, and the top-level directory being orrery-1.1 ? Aug 18 05:50:53 rwhitby, By "Just the sources", do you mean strip out all the little data files which the program uses (the star catalog, etc)? Aug 18 05:51:17 no, I mean strip out all the object files Aug 18 05:51:44 e.g. do "make distclean" before tarring it up Aug 18 05:52:11 rwhitby, Yes, I certainly can do that. Should I upload such a tarball to my project page? Aug 18 05:52:56 Yep, and then perhaps send an email to the openmoko developers list asking for a volunteer to create a correct automake configuration for you. Aug 18 05:53:16 I'll be happy to do the bitbake file once someone else has done that (I'm not good at automake either) Aug 18 05:53:42 as I said, the screen shot for this program is good enough that you should have multiple volunteers. Aug 18 05:53:52 rwhitby, Thanks for the recomendation - I'll do that. Aug 18 05:56:55 KenYoung: where is the source to processStarNames? Aug 18 05:57:10 nm, found it. Aug 18 05:57:21 make distclean needs to remove it Aug 18 05:57:25 (the executable) Aug 18 05:57:35 rwhitby, Pretty cheezy, eh? Aug 18 05:57:47 KenYoung: I can't do much better myself. Aug 18 05:58:09 I know what it needs to do, but not how to write a Makefile.am and configure.ac which will do it. Aug 18 05:59:29 rwhitby, I'll manually get rid of the processStarNames executable. It's not anything the end user ever runs. It just converts a text file into a binary one, with coordinates pre-converted to radians, etc. Aug 18 06:00:01 KenYoung: that should all be done as part of the build sequence Aug 18 06:00:14 (so someone can edit the text file and regenerate the binary one) Aug 18 06:00:38 rwhitby, But the endian issues make it tricky, at least if you build on an x86 machine. Aug 18 06:05:48 * rwhitby watches the OpenMoko Train Wreck video on YouTube .... Aug 18 06:06:38 What's the Openmoko Train wreck video? Aug 18 06:07:39 rwhitby, basic question, only just joined the community@lists.openmoko.org how do I send mail to mickey_away or should I just send to the list re 'gestures' on fso-testing Aug 18 06:08:22 list Aug 18 06:08:22 just send to the list Aug 18 06:08:35 k, thanks Aug 18 06:08:46 KenYoung: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ntUy2eqlk Aug 18 06:17:08 rwhitby, Oh, that video is sad to watch. OM really didn't manage to get across to people that the phone wasn't ready for end users. When the neo1973 was released, OM made you explicitly acknowledge as part of the ordering process that the software was nonfunctional, They should have done that with the Freerunner too, I guess. Aug 18 06:29:07 good morning Aug 18 06:29:34 moin Aug 18 07:09:33 morning Aug 18 07:12:05 lpotter:pong Aug 18 07:13:54 How do i add a package feed through ssh on 2008.8? Aug 18 07:15:41 *sigh* Aug 18 07:15:50 one night of lying on the floor Aug 18 07:16:02 and no ssh. Aug 18 07:16:03 Wonka: that's why they invented beds Aug 18 07:16:14 i'm talking about my FR Aug 18 07:16:56 also, the screen lighted up about a minute after being touched, the display locker does not react. Aug 18 07:18:04 hm, might have been a bad idea to write the strace log file to the ramfs. Aug 18 07:26:14 KenSentMe: very good qeustion Aug 18 07:26:25 malik1972, thanks Aug 18 07:26:58 KenSentMe: i am trying the same without success Aug 18 07:27:25 I would like to add this feed: http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/ , but don't know what would be the best way. I should make a file in /etc/opkg i guess Aug 18 07:27:34 KenSentMe: i put the files and a package.list on a webserver Aug 18 07:27:50 KenSentMe: ahhh, okay, no problem Aug 18 07:28:04 KenSentMe: one moment please Aug 18 07:28:44 KentSentMe: touch a file in the directory with the name zecke.conf Aug 18 07:29:47 KenSentMe: with the follwing content Aug 18 07:29:52 src/gz daily-all-testing http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/all Aug 18 07:29:52 src/gz daily-armv4t-testing http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/armv4t Aug 18 07:29:52 src/gz daily-neo1973-testing http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/neo1973 Aug 18 07:29:57 src/gz daily-om-gta02-testing http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/om-gta02 Aug 18 07:30:16 malik1972, will do, thanks Aug 18 07:30:38 than do a "opkg update" for feed recognition Aug 18 07:33:39 malik1972, so far no errors, thanks for the help Aug 18 07:33:56 KenSentMe: no problem Aug 18 07:35:29 Can anyone tell me how i can add myself to the cc field of a trac ticket? Aug 18 07:39:55 h Aug 18 07:39:57 hi Aug 18 07:40:41 I'm at work, on windows, and I plugged my FR on the usb. Is it possible to log on it w/o being administrator ? Aug 18 08:21:39 good morning Aug 18 09:26:32 hi, I#ve connected my freeruner to the debugboard Aug 18 09:27:00 and try to load the u-boot via ram Aug 18 09:28:23 i think i don't use the right adress for the load command Aug 18 09:30:25 BlueRaid: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#Using_JTAG_to_boot_from_RAM Aug 18 09:38:21 thanks, i will try it Aug 18 09:48:33 XorA: nothing...the display is blac and the backlight off :-( Aug 18 09:49:44 BlueRaid: what are you trying to do? Aug 18 09:50:22 Can anyone tell me how i can add myself to the cc field of a trac ticket? Aug 18 09:50:54 I'm trying to load u-boot via jtag on my freeruner Aug 18 09:52:18 KenSentMe: I think this doesn't work anymore, they blocked the ability for the users to taste the flags a weekago because some people did shit and reopened already closed tickets and so on.. Aug 18 09:58:46 XorA: I can't boot the openmoko, 'cause u-boot doesn't work correcty Aug 18 09:59:14 BlueRaid: you might want to look at the devirginate script in svn that does the whole config for you automatically Aug 18 09:59:34 uboot env? Aug 18 09:59:39 freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * raebee0763200 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): illume-config: Move into illume dir to ease packaging Aug 18 09:59:46 morning XorA Aug 18 10:00:37 are there updates available for the OM2008.8 Aug 18 10:05:57 XorA: thanks... Aug 18 10:06:42 Hi :-) Aug 18 10:07:28 I need some help. Does anyone know how to change the time before the Device is suspended? (Feerunner, Om2007.2) Aug 18 10:08:29 jucs: hwclock -systohc Aug 18 10:08:52 jucs: change with time Aug 18 10:08:56 No, I mean... how to make suspend after 30 minutes, not after 3... Aug 18 10:09:06 ahh okay Aug 18 10:09:11 Sorry for my bad english ;-) Aug 18 10:09:46 Or stop it to suspend at all and only turn off the screen - because after the wakeup wireless lan, gps and sound doesn't work anymore... Aug 18 10:10:26 Rorschach, thanks for the background info. How would it work if the option wasnt blocked? Aug 18 10:10:39 Rorschach, would there be a button or so? Aug 18 10:15:02 hmm sound has died on my om2007.2 install Aug 18 10:15:09 anyone got an idea how to fix it? Aug 18 10:16:33 Did you try to reboot? Aug 18 10:17:28 freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * r7b891b18b0cc 10/illume/ (illume/build.sh illume_init/build.sh): illume-theme: Rename our edjes to fso and fso_init to keep them separate from other themes available for illume/e Aug 18 10:25:24 KenSentMe: if you woudl scroll down to the button there have been a lot of fields you could change things of the bug-report, one of them was cc Aug 18 10:31:14 Does anyone know how to disable suspending? Aug 18 10:32:33 use om-settings Aug 18 10:33:24 I'll try, thanks! Aug 18 10:37:56 This for the Om2008.8-Distribution; but I'm using 2007.2... Aug 18 10:38:41 dammit Aug 18 10:39:05 can anyone repost the url's for the right fso package repos, they scrolled out of my backlog Aug 18 10:40:35 Rorschach, ah, ok Aug 18 10:42:07 building OM2008.8 with MokoMakefile, and I get "Resolving www.angstrom-disribution.org... failed: Name or service not known" Aug 18 10:44:30 mbuf: hmm.. i get problems too, if i try to open that in a browser Aug 18 10:44:41 Weiss, ok Aug 18 10:45:30 i guess they're having DNS problems.. but it should be able to carry on and get the source code from CVS/SVN/wherever for each package if it can't find anything on that site Aug 18 10:49:45 i have a problem with wpa2 via wpa_supplicant, it only works if the ap sends the essid Aug 18 10:49:52 any ideas? Aug 18 10:50:17 Does anyone know where the power management profiles are stored? Aug 18 10:52:53 my usb networking on the freerunner side has stopped working with the image on the phone, i can use the qtopia image and it works there Aug 18 10:55:41 malik1972: didn't you get the fso repo url'S yesterday? an you repost? Aug 18 10:56:02 malik1972: btw, please paste your wpa_supplicant.conf somewhere Aug 18 10:58:08 ronny: fso? i dont use it Aug 18 10:58:53 hmk Aug 18 10:58:59 sorry for confusing Aug 18 10:59:23 http://pastebin.ca/1177330 Aug 18 10:59:38 it works when i turn off essid sending Aug 18 10:59:58 what about the fso repo urls? Aug 18 11:09:03 Does anyone know how to install iptables on the Om2007.2? Aug 18 11:10:44 malik1972: i just have no idea where the heck they are, im pretty sure i overread it somewhere - all the time Aug 18 11:11:37 malik1972: ah, i see, set ap_scan to 1 Aug 18 11:12:22 Or any other network firewall? Aug 18 11:13:06 jucs: does it actually matter ? just set a ssh password/pubkey, and it will be secure enough Aug 18 11:13:39 No, it has several other ports open; including gpsd... Aug 18 11:15:27 Actually, Security does matter - anyone, that has access to the freerunner may cause me a huge telephone bill... Aug 18 11:15:46 ronny: it was 1 before, also tried 0 and 2, no success Aug 18 11:16:21 jucs: but especially on this phone one has to know what to do, simply trial&error will mostly not work Aug 18 11:16:35 s/simply/simple/ Aug 18 11:17:02 malik1972_: it has to be 1 to make wpa_supplicant take care of connecting, but i think you also need another option for the network Aug 18 11:17:10 Yes, but there are enough people out there that are able to use security vulnerabilitis of linux systems... Aug 18 11:18:07 jucs: yeah, but they mostly can manage x86/x86-64, maybe some can handle sun/ppc, allmost nobody can handle arm/mips Aug 18 11:18:22 also your phone doesnt run many services Aug 18 11:18:30 What a great security thing..."I'm using arm"... Aug 18 11:18:46 It does run many services... Aug 18 11:18:54 the phone basically runs no public services Aug 18 11:18:56 and one would have to know how gsmd works... Aug 18 11:19:00 all of them are local Aug 18 11:19:02 Mine does... Aug 18 11:19:17 jucs: dont tell me you use it for web-hosting Aug 18 11:19:44 No, but the standard setup already opens several things :-D Aug 18 11:19:44 xD Aug 18 11:20:13 One open port is one security problem too much... Aug 18 11:20:26 The only thing acceptable is sshd, actually... Aug 18 11:23:16 We actually have a kernel module "ip_tables" and the kernel is also configured to use iptables.... does anyone know where to get the binary from? Aug 18 11:24:51 from the angstrom repo for example Aug 18 11:25:23 celtune-rabenfrost Aug 18 11:26:11 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=iptables <- Thank you very much, I'll try this ;-) Aug 18 11:28:33 jucs: even sshd is not acceptable for certain debian builds ... ;-) Aug 18 11:28:42 Yes, but for me :-P :-P :-P Aug 18 11:37:20 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r4859489ca2a2 10/packages/openmoko-projects/illume-config_svn.bb: [illume-config] Fix a bug in illume-config when do alternative Aug 18 11:40:50 Hmm Aug 18 11:45:05 Wahrheit uber Georgien Konflikt Aug 18 11:45:10 Man, gotta like that German spam. Aug 18 11:47:42 Dave: you reported audioproblems yesterday Aug 18 11:47:50 was that on the debian-image? Aug 18 11:47:51 have you managed to fix them? Aug 18 11:50:04 YES Aug 18 11:50:08 Rorschslhcs, no Aug 18 11:50:11 and no Aug 18 11:50:14 :P Aug 18 11:50:25 Problem still exists, after upgrading om kernel, etc Aug 18 11:50:38 hehe :) k because I don't get no sound on the debian-image Aug 18 11:58:59 :P Aug 18 11:59:41 what driver controls usb networking? Aug 18 12:00:15 usbnet Aug 18 12:00:19 module Aug 18 12:00:53 what do i do if the module is not found? Aug 18 12:01:20 dns53: why is it not found? Aug 18 12:01:21 get some from the handyman ;) Aug 18 12:01:34 edistar star star Aug 18 12:01:47 i'm not sure, usb networking is broken for me, should i flash the kernel or is it part of the root fs? Aug 18 12:10:46 :| Aug 18 12:10:50 stupid broken freerunner Aug 18 12:11:04 how is it broken for you? Aug 18 12:11:11 Audio broken :P Aug 18 12:12:28 doesn't matter all those things, the only thing which matters is suspend and WSOD :) this needs to be fixed asap Aug 18 12:13:08 wsod? Aug 18 12:13:37 White Screen of Death Aug 18 12:13:52 ah Aug 18 12:15:00 CSOD? Aug 18 12:15:22 C? Aug 18 12:17:33 openmoko: 03dp 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rc584326b48d5 10/packages/hal/hal_0.5.9.bb: hal: create volatiles *after* creating the haldaemon user Aug 18 12:17:33 openmoko: 03dp 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r57eef5be177d 10/ (6 files in 4 dirs): [python-setuptools] import a fix from OE which means we now have Aug 18 12:17:34 openmoko: 03dp 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r49b54063b7ea 10/packages/openmoko-projects/illume-config_svn.bb: Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev Aug 18 12:17:35 cyan screen of dumbness... ^^ Aug 18 12:25:49 sms doesnt work for me, where can i begin to troubleshoot this? Aug 18 12:27:02 On what? FSO? Aug 18 12:27:10 OMG? BBQ? WTF? Aug 18 12:27:31 Dave: yes, fso, i should have mentioned that as well Aug 18 12:28:27 Yeah, I'm not sure it does work on fso, yet. :p Aug 18 12:29:24 hah, ok. can i do anything to help there? Aug 18 12:29:51 Dave: get back to your lab Aug 18 12:30:50 Yeth, mathter :[ Aug 18 12:31:13 Hello, I'm having problems with FSO, hope someone can help... Aug 18 12:31:25 erl_: what kind of problems? Aug 18 12:31:29 heh Aug 18 12:31:46 I tried installing the rootfs & kernel on my SD card's ext3 partition, but at boot the kernel says it can't find init... Aug 18 12:32:11 Do I need to do anything special to use FSO on an ext3 partition= Aug 18 12:33:17 Also, in parallell I'm trying to build FSO using bitbake, but the compilation fails in gmp-native with an error: Aug 18 12:33:42 | /home/erl/oe/stuff/build/tmp/work/i686-linux/gmp-native-4.2.1-r2/gmp-4.2.1/configure: line 11007: syntax error near unexpected token `,' Aug 18 12:33:42 oh, imagine that, bitbake failing :P Aug 18 12:33:43 | /home/erl/oe/stuff/build/tmp/work/i686-linux/gmp-native-4.2.1-r2/gmp-4.2.1/configure: line 11007: `_LT_DECL(, AS, 0, Assembler program)' Aug 18 12:33:45 | FATAL: oe_runconf failed Aug 18 12:34:16 erl_: you have to setenv correctly, otherwise it might assume vfat Aug 18 12:34:20 I'm new to bitbake, so I don't know if I've done something wrong, or if I should do some sort of update from a repository or what. Aug 18 12:34:59 erl_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD Aug 18 12:35:13 edistar: If I'm installing the binary images the distribution, do I need to to a setenv? Aug 18 12:35:26 erl_: depends on how you do it.. Aug 18 12:35:43 erl_: microSDHC? Aug 18 12:36:18 I previously had QTopia on the partition, and it managed to boot. Aug 18 12:36:28 No, the regular 512MB card that came with the phone. Aug 18 12:36:56 oh, that reminds me Aug 18 12:37:05 Lpotter, wake up! Aug 18 12:37:15 Now I see that the wiki page on SD boot says that some images need init=/sbin/init parameter, is it so with FSO but not QTopia or 2008.8? Aug 18 12:37:27 erl_: i got 8GB kingston microSDHC and it works fine Aug 18 12:37:46 torindel: Did you have to add the init= parameter to uboot? Aug 18 12:38:20 torindel: So FreeRunner support 8Gb microSDHC, or only Kingston one ? Aug 18 12:38:49 init=/sbin/init is the default in the kernel anyway Aug 18 12:38:53 erl_: nope, normal fat+ext2 booting worked out of the box and i switched to ext2 only boot on first and second partition with ext2load Aug 18 12:39:08 Hey rwhitby Aug 18 12:39:35 Tauop: it heard of multiple microSDHC working including some 16GB ones Aug 18 12:39:44 erl_: fso-testing builds fine on Debian Lenny and Ubuntu 7.10 here Aug 18 12:40:22 gaah Aug 18 12:40:27 Tauop: if you want to be on safe side get something that someone else have too Aug 18 12:40:34 rwhitby: thanks. What could be wrong here? Do I need to do some sort of version control system update? Aug 18 12:40:44 erl_: what git repo site, git repo branch, local.conf contents are you using? Aug 18 12:40:53 torindel: ok. Aug 18 12:41:00 "but does it support this microsdhc" YES. If not, return the bloody card. Aug 18 12:41:23 Tauop: the 16GB ones where sundisc i think but i dont remember who have it Aug 18 12:41:23 anyone know the url to the stabl uboot image besides the dailies on the buildhost Aug 18 12:41:26 it should be git.openembedded.net and org.openembedded.dev to build fso-testing, then add moko-autorev and fso-autorev to build fso-unstable Aug 18 12:41:27 ? Aug 18 12:41:38 s/stabl/stable/ Aug 18 12:43:11 rwhitby: One thing I wondered about was the wiki says: "don't forget to include the ... files: require conf/distro/include/fso-autorev.inc..." Where do Insert that line? The require... command doesn't seem to belong in the local.conf file? Aug 18 12:43:18 SUNWjoejaxx: I'll add it to the fso-testing and fso-unstable builds Aug 18 12:43:42 erl_: yeah, that should work in local.conf Aug 18 12:44:26 rwhitby, want to solve my sound issue? :) Aug 18 12:44:31 but only include that if you want fso-unstable (which fails to build at the moment due to a recent commit by stefan_schmidt :-) Aug 18 12:45:04 I'm on it Aug 18 12:45:06 :) Aug 18 12:45:36 Now we have automatic builds, we can keep the developers on their toes ;-) Aug 18 12:46:04 heh Aug 18 12:46:06 Dave: no idea about sound Aug 18 12:46:23 It's mostly fixed locally already. Like to do some more tests before pushing it out Aug 18 12:46:23 rwhitby: Where do the git.openembedded.net etc go? Aug 18 12:46:36 erl_: depends what you're using to build Aug 18 12:46:58 rwhitby: I'm trying to follow the Wiki's instructions for building FSO with bitbake. Aug 18 12:47:03 if you're using the MokoMakefile, there are variables at the top Aug 18 12:47:25 Bah, build instructions on a wiki are almost always guaranteed to be wrong. Aug 18 12:47:26 rwhitby, oh well :( Aug 18 12:47:28 The http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO page doesn't mention git... links I think. Aug 18 12:47:36 haha Aug 18 12:47:42 Build instructions that are not executable are worthless in my opinion. Aug 18 12:48:39 rwhitby: what is the variable name for the git... in the local.conf? Aug 18 12:48:54 How do you guys recommend to build FSO? Aug 18 12:49:14 And that FSO page just compounds the problem by duplicating information from elsewhere, creating two places where the information is not executable. Aug 18 12:49:22 erl_: MokoMakefile Aug 18 12:49:32 pray to the openmoko developers? :P Aug 18 12:49:33 rwhitby: because there are too many links to buildhost dailies on the wiki for too many things :P Aug 18 12:49:40 yep Aug 18 12:49:55 and we ALL know how xora fucks that up Aug 18 12:50:10 fucking buildhost Aug 18 12:50:11 erl_: or just get it at shr.bearstech.com Aug 18 12:50:18 bears! Aug 18 12:50:24 Dave: believe me, it's not XorA's fault. Aug 18 12:50:29 :( Aug 18 12:50:40 i should really buy a debug board lol Aug 18 12:50:45 rwhitby, he is just the instrument of evilness here to carry out his mastar's bidding? Aug 18 12:51:06 buildhost http is going away real soon now Aug 18 12:51:16 In place of what? Aug 18 12:51:29 nothing, we are hiding all the coolness inside due to excessive whining Aug 18 12:51:34 torindel: the main thing about the images at shr.bearstech.com is that the way in which they are built is precisely defined by an executable spec. Aug 18 12:51:45 Xora >:( Aug 18 12:51:51 * XorA is of course kidding Aug 18 12:51:55 We shall revolt and overthrow your evil regime, in that case! Aug 18 12:52:05 downloads.om.org will become the central repo of all that is good Aug 18 12:52:08 Community, bear arms! Aug 18 12:52:24 why have arms of dead bears ? Aug 18 12:52:26 rofl Aug 18 12:52:31 Xora, I hope it's not as shittily maintained and actually becomes "organized" Aug 18 12:52:41 dns :D Aug 18 12:52:54 * Dave slaps dns53 around a bit with large dead bear arms. Aug 18 12:52:57 nothing shitty about buildhost Aug 18 12:52:58 *whomp* Aug 18 12:53:06 Xora, presently? are you kidding me? Aug 18 12:53:10 It's extremely shitty. Aug 18 12:53:33 well then you will never be happy Aug 18 12:53:48 Nor will the other 200 community members who agree. Aug 18 12:54:10 We demand community oversight! Aug 18 12:54:18 on what exactly? Aug 18 12:54:18 * raster gives dave a lolipop Aug 18 12:54:24 We shall break the cabal's hold on the repos! Aug 18 12:54:29 Thanks raster :) Aug 18 12:54:31 raster: haha!! Aug 18 12:54:35 the build scripts are all puclic knowledge, the repos are open Aug 18 12:54:39 :) Aug 18 12:54:46 yo momma is open Aug 18 12:54:58 Xora, fine! We'll just make our OWN repo... and... and... it'll be cooler than yours! *nyah* Aug 18 12:55:10 raster, I wish... then I'd be bringin' in the extra buck ;) Aug 18 12:55:27 * XorA wonders if Dave is a fun troll or serious :-) Aug 18 12:55:45 Xora, albeit the jests, regarding buildhost, I am dead serious. Aug 18 12:55:46 XorA: I'd say the former.. Aug 18 12:55:49 Bears or no bears :) Aug 18 12:56:41 Xora, if you'd like I'll write up an email detailing some of my [serious] grievances. Aug 18 12:57:20 There are several *small* things that, if done, would drastically improve the stability and cohesion of buildhost for many of the end users. Aug 18 12:57:22 Another question: does the Freerunner charge the battery when it's turned off? Aug 18 12:57:32 Oh and would save the developer some sanity, as well ;) Aug 18 12:57:33 erl_: don't think so Aug 18 12:57:52 Things constantly moving all over the place only makes us go bat shit :p Aug 18 12:58:07 that is why ASU is a stable branch Aug 18 12:58:15 then people moan there is no daily updates Aug 18 12:58:23 its a no-win situation Aug 18 13:00:10 * rwhitby writes an FSO Makefile to soothe the masses ... Aug 18 13:00:14 ahoi Aug 18 13:00:55 SUNWjoejaxx: I'm adding u-boot-openmoko to task-openmoko-feed, so it will automatically appear in the fso-testing and fso-unstable feeds Aug 18 13:04:06 is it cool to submit an issue against the debian build ? Aug 18 13:04:52 rwhitby: ok Aug 18 13:07:40 bah Aug 18 13:07:51 the wiki needs a SERIOUS clean up :( Aug 18 13:08:14 SUNWjoejaxx: yeah Aug 18 13:08:56 * rwhitby starts the fso autobuilder crontab on 15 minute intervals Aug 18 13:10:53 how much time could it take to get 3d acceleration working? Aug 18 13:11:12 mosez: time and money Aug 18 13:11:17 it will never happen Aug 18 13:11:37 root@om-gta02:~# uptime 13:10:30 up 2 days, 7:08, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.04, 0.02 Aug 18 13:11:47 uptime about to go for a uboot flash :( Aug 18 13:11:49 lol Aug 18 13:11:50 its not worth it Aug 18 13:11:53 raster has resigned from OM, therefore he doesn't have access to the NDA'd documents required, and everyone else that stays will be busy with GTA03 and later which don't have Glamo on them. Aug 18 13:11:55 for many reasons Aug 18 13:12:07 and yup Aug 18 13:12:10 i've resigned Aug 18 13:12:22 it wasnt worth it while iw as there Aug 18 13:12:25 edistar: :( Aug 18 13:12:26 i've seen the specs Aug 18 13:12:33 i was excited by the idea Aug 18 13:12:37 until i read the nasty details Aug 18 13:12:44 then i got rapidly unexited Aug 18 13:12:55 the rest of you are still in the exacited phase Aug 18 13:13:02 as u never got to see the docs Aug 18 13:13:06 raster: better not show us the nasty docs Aug 18 13:13:14 and the actual gory innards, details and gotchas Aug 18 13:13:17 raster: will you go on dev'ing for OM? Aug 18 13:13:19 i'm thinking about it to buy a freerunner... Aug 18 13:13:29 edistar: for Om in what way? Aug 18 13:13:38 raster: just as a community member Aug 18 13:13:43 mosez: if you need someone here to convince you to buy a freerunner, then you shouldn't. Aug 18 13:13:47 but dont really know... i wanna phone, write shortmessages and wanna write some small apps for me Aug 18 13:13:59 edistar: maybe - as long as it amuses me :) Aug 18 13:14:07 if you can't be convinced *not* to buy one, then you should :-) Aug 18 13:14:18 but frankly.. i'm looking for a platform that is better Aug 18 13:14:21 otr would like one Aug 18 13:14:25 hardware-wise Aug 18 13:14:27 rwhitby: that was a nice formulated answer haha Aug 18 13:14:29 raster: OM should pay you to work on efl! Aug 18 13:14:33 so glamo development is at a standstill? Aug 18 13:14:43 kd8ikt: mostly, yes Aug 18 13:14:54 just great Aug 18 13:14:54 i like to tinker on software... but dont know if it is stable enough to have it as my main phone =) Aug 18 13:15:19 raster: have you seen the Train Wreck video? Aug 18 13:15:23 yes Aug 18 13:15:34 and frankly.. i happen to agree with much of it Aug 18 13:15:47 i know its unfair Aug 18 13:15:56 theres enough people to apologize Aug 18 13:16:13 raster: what's about your idea? have you thought about it? Aug 18 13:18:50 mosez: it Aug 18 13:18:53 it's not Aug 18 13:19:36 well this is just great Aug 18 13:19:54 got to think about it... i dont wanna have two phones... one for phoneing and one for fun :-/ Aug 18 13:20:40 bumbl: i'm relaxing a bit and cleaning up whatever is neede4d for om Aug 18 13:20:46 and planning what to do with ilume and e next Aug 18 13:21:00 i was busyin moving e's stuff to svn on the weekend CRAP do we have a long cvs history Aug 18 13:21:16 almost 36,000 revisions Aug 18 13:21:23 3gb of dump Aug 18 13:22:28 wow Aug 18 13:23:22 when i read the comments for the original version of the "train wreck" video, the point he was making was that OM shouldn't be advertised as a competitor to the iPhone, which is exactly what the FSF seem to be (wrongly) doing Aug 18 13:23:27 raster: are you talking abour enlightenment ? Aug 18 13:23:29 about* Aug 18 13:23:32 Bumbles :) Aug 18 13:23:36 but what would linus torvalds say to that? git is the better approach Aug 18 13:23:36 Rasters! Aug 18 13:23:41 Davy Aug 18 13:23:53 Raster, more keyboards please! Aug 18 13:23:53 CVirus: yeah Aug 18 13:24:02 Dave: why? keyboard is done Aug 18 13:24:03 finished Aug 18 13:24:05 finito Aug 18 13:24:12 raster: I thought this was never going to happen ... you being a hard minded person :-p Aug 18 13:24:13 has everything i had intended Aug 18 13:24:17 dicitonary slookup and support Aug 18 13:24:20 suports multiple dicst Aug 18 13:24:21 personal Aug 18 13:24:25 denerated ones Aug 18 13:24:27 all at once Aug 18 13:24:34 multiple layots Aug 18 13:24:42 what is the latest recommended uboot to use with sdhc µsd cards? Aug 18 13:24:46 More! Aug 18 13:24:47 (the Terminal./kbd layout effectively byapasses any dictionary) Aug 18 13:24:49 etc. Aug 18 13:24:51 its done Aug 18 13:24:52 it works Aug 18 13:24:55 faster, but isn't it only for fso? Aug 18 13:25:00 or something Aug 18 13:25:05 its part of illume Aug 18 13:25:10 oh, blah Aug 18 13:25:12 :| Aug 18 13:25:14 which is amodule/plugin for e Aug 18 13:25:18 Can I not use it on gtk then? Aug 18 13:25:21 so not like i'm doing more kbd's Aug 18 13:25:27 of course u can Aug 18 13:25:33 \o/ Aug 18 13:25:39 it works with any x app Aug 18 13:25:43 how? you have to load e, don't you? Aug 18 13:25:47 u just will need e as the wm Aug 18 13:25:47 WHERE DO I ACQUIRE THIS MARVELOUS FEAT!? Aug 18 13:25:51 and use illume as a module Aug 18 13:25:52 * Tanuva really likes illume.. Aug 18 13:26:00 Dave: I have seen a screenshot running illume on 2007.3 Aug 18 13:26:05 2007.2 Aug 18 13:26:10 Bumble, care to share? :) Aug 18 13:26:28 http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ Aug 18 13:26:31 if u want to play Aug 18 13:26:41 Sure! Aug 18 13:26:45 Dave: I have to look it up Aug 18 13:26:45 FSO uses illume and its kbd too Aug 18 13:26:46 Illume is neat. Aug 18 13:26:48 so there as well Aug 18 13:26:56 thats just an asu image built using illume's kbd by default Aug 18 13:26:56 BUT Aug 18 13:27:03 u may get qtopia's back Aug 18 13:27:06 :\ Aug 18 13:27:07 if u install apps Aug 18 13:27:14 I don't want ASU or Qtopia. Aug 18 13:27:20 it turns up and takes over clashing with illumes internal kbd Aug 18 13:27:26 as its not turned off Aug 18 13:27:37 Though, unfortunately, at the moment I am more concerned about my audio device, or lack thereof. :| Aug 18 13:27:52 Dave: you still have that issue? Aug 18 13:27:57 Yes :( Aug 18 13:28:00 Dave: Did you try to restore alsactl? Aug 18 13:28:00 raster: you invested loads of time in the illume kbd and now they use qtopia keyboard? Aug 18 13:28:03 It's rather disconcerting. Aug 18 13:28:06 Dave: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=8 Aug 18 13:28:10 Sargun, yes! Aug 18 13:28:13 freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * rda904c73236c 10/illume/illume-config/e.src: illume-theme: Pick up the right theme after renaming Aug 18 13:28:19 Dave: Uhm, play with mixer settings? Aug 18 13:28:28 Dave: no sound under debian? Aug 18 13:28:30 Maybe your Sound card is dead? Aug 18 13:28:57 :\ Aug 18 13:28:59 edistar: well the illume kbd was my original plan Aug 18 13:29:02 Tanuva, no, gtk Aug 18 13:29:09 as i knew people would be uncomfortable with the qtopia one Aug 18 13:29:13 i knew peolpe woudl complain Aug 18 13:29:19 Where can we donate to the Raster fund? Aug 18 13:29:24 everything peolpe are complaining about.. i knew woudl hapen Aug 18 13:29:29 so iw anted to get the best of qtopia's kbd Aug 18 13:29:37 :) Aug 18 13:29:39 ie its abilityh to write "english text" (or whatever language) Aug 18 13:29:45 and have fuzzy correction Aug 18 13:29:52 but STILL have configurable layoutsa Aug 18 13:29:55 STILL! Aug 18 13:30:14 my first cut wasnt brilliant Aug 18 13:30:15 but worked Aug 18 13:30:23 i think most peolpe found it better than qtopia's kbd Aug 18 13:30:31 my second cut - i am personally very happy with Aug 18 13:30:33 and now is all there Aug 18 13:30:36 its in svn Aug 18 13:30:39 fso uses it Aug 18 13:31:37 And is happy with it. :) Aug 18 13:31:52 And we are happy with you :) Aug 18 13:33:55 if I just could find out how the hell id3demux (gstreamer) works :/ Aug 18 13:34:54 stefan_schmidt: have u tried any .de dictionaries with it? Aug 18 13:35:05 i have never checked its utf8 stuff... Aug 18 13:35:08 raster: no Aug 18 13:35:08 it SHOULD work... Aug 18 13:35:15 but i likely have a bug or 2 Aug 18 13:35:21 also i need a mapping table Aug 18 13:35:29 to map ö -> o Aug 18 13:35:37 ä -> a Aug 18 13:35:40 etc. Aug 18 13:35:45 so when u just type Aug 18 13:35:47 raster: I need another device and when MS3 is out I perhaps try to use it as my dayphone. Then all the shit will come up. :) Aug 18 13:35:54 blod Aug 18 13:35:58 with a german dictionary Aug 18 13:36:05 raster: I like the popup window on the keyboard which acts like a big magnifying glass of all the keys around your finger Aug 18 13:36:09 it can match that to blöd Aug 18 13:36:16 raster: heh Aug 18 13:36:24 as it already does case-insensitive mathcing Aug 18 13:36:25 raster: Indeed umlauts are fun Aug 18 13:36:32 i need "accent-insensitive" Aug 18 13:36:40 also s shoudl match ß Aug 18 13:36:41 too Aug 18 13:36:57 (i could match ss - but mathcing a sequence ofg chars to a single one gets nasty) Aug 18 13:37:10 rwhitby: the qtopia or illume one? Aug 18 13:37:20 Perhaps I test a .de keybaord at the end of next week. Aug 18 13:37:29 * stefan_schmidt has an exam middle of next week Aug 18 13:37:33 raster: illume I presume, on FSO Aug 18 13:38:00 rwhitby - master of rhymes :) Aug 18 13:38:05 raster: which format are the dictionaries? Aug 18 13:38:08 rwhitby: the square box that pops up over the app window? then thats illume Aug 18 13:38:09 :) Aug 18 13:38:19 bumbl: unix dictionary Aug 18 13:38:21 raster: yep, that's the one Aug 18 13:38:37 bumbl: /usr/share/dict/words | sort -f Aug 18 13:38:46 thank you Aug 18 13:38:47 just make sure its case insensitve sorted Aug 18 13:38:54 it has extensions Aug 18 13:39:00 if u add a numebr to a line Aug 18 13:39:01 eg: Aug 18 13:39:05 instead of: Aug 18 13:39:06 about Aug 18 13:39:07 make it Aug 18 13:39:11 about 232 Aug 18 13:39:21 then the dict is "frequency-aware" Aug 18 13:39:31 the numebr is the frequency of usage Aug 18 13:39:42 ah ok Aug 18 13:39:48 so "armageddon" will have a lower frequency number than "and" Aug 18 13:39:52 as and is used much more Aug 18 13:40:07 if u want u can wwrite any scritp to go trawl usenet or the web or whatever and build such dictionaries Aug 18 13:40:09 Hey, raster! Aug 18 13:40:14 maybe for specific languages Aug 18 13:40:19 i include 2 us dicts Aug 18 13:40:25 1 large (no frequency info) Aug 18 13:40:25 ARMAGEDDON! Aug 18 13:40:29 and 1 small (freq info) Aug 18 13:40:30 hoenoes Aug 18 13:40:37 nice Aug 18 13:40:38 as an example of the dict when it has freq data Aug 18 13:40:42 Rasterman is the keyboard master. Aug 18 13:40:46 i don't know about you, but in my text messages and certainly is not used more frequently than armageddon ;) Aug 18 13:40:55 illume keeps a private dict file for you anyway (also same format - text) Aug 18 13:41:02 in ~/.e/e/dict-dynamic/ Aug 18 13:41:06 personal.dic Aug 18 13:41:16 which is all words you have entered and how frequently they are used Aug 18 13:41:27 this always takes precedence over system dicts Aug 18 13:41:39 it allows for a data.dic file in ~/.e/e/dict-dynamic/ Aug 18 13:41:40 too Aug 18 13:41:51 if u have scripts that run over your sms's and addressbook Aug 18 13:41:52 * XorA hates the fact he has to teach each new phone to swear in predictive text mode Aug 18 13:41:54 and take names and words out Aug 18 13:42:00 I use the work fuck more than duck :-) Aug 18 13:42:03 they can put these auto-generated dict contents in data.dic Aug 18 13:42:06 Xora :) Aug 18 13:42:10 and illume will include that in its word matching Aug 18 13:42:18 word? Aug 18 13:42:18 XorA: who doesn't? o.O Aug 18 13:42:19 so it can match peoples names in your contacts and so on Aug 18 13:42:19 raster: you do encrypt all user input, don't you? :P Aug 18 13:42:29 fuckity quack quack Aug 18 13:42:43 XorA: with illume.. just use it once! Aug 18 13:42:45 Lol Aug 18 13:42:52 XorA: actually.. i think the system dict has fuck in it Aug 18 13:42:59 :D Aug 18 13:43:04 raster: that was how my old motorola worked actually, was a nice system Aug 18 13:43:06 yup Aug 18 13:43:10 :) Aug 18 13:43:20 pity the rest of the phone OS was complete shit Aug 18 13:43:20 fuck Aug 18 13:43:20 fucked Aug 18 13:43:20 fucker Aug 18 13:43:24 motherfucker Aug 18 13:43:26 fuckity fuck Aug 18 13:43:29 motherfuckers Aug 18 13:43:29 motherfucking Aug 18 13:43:31 all in there Aug 18 13:43:32 :-D Aug 18 13:43:35 for your swearing pleasure Aug 18 13:43:39 completness :) Aug 18 13:43:43 completeness Aug 18 13:43:47 * Dave high-fives raster Aug 18 13:43:50 edistar: sorry :) no encrypting Aug 18 13:43:50 :) Aug 18 13:44:05 anyway Aug 18 13:44:05 Nice Aug 18 13:44:05 *g* Aug 18 13:44:16 i hope illume's kbd satisfies most people for most things Aug 18 13:44:21 if it doesnt - u are free to send patches Aug 18 13:44:21 Oh, raster, I hope you can easily swap the dict out Aug 18 13:44:29 I don't want a shitty British dictionary Aug 18 13:44:31 or even install other keyboards and turn off illume's Aug 18 13:44:42 u can use the multi-tap kbd from 2007.2 Aug 18 13:44:46 and matchbox kbd Aug 18 13:44:49 heehee Aug 18 13:45:01 Yeah see, raster does shit right, like that. Aug 18 13:45:01 and anything else really that advertises a kbd property on its window to say "hi.. i'm a vkbd" Aug 18 13:45:03 raster: choice is good Aug 18 13:45:07 :) Aug 18 13:45:10 Raster is wise. Aug 18 13:45:27 aso theres a built-in default that uses relatively low resources (ram and installbase) Aug 18 13:45:41 and it shoudl do most things.. and then there is the option ot "extend"... or send me patches :) Aug 18 13:45:55 * rwhitby wonders why wifiget is running by default on a gta01 ... Aug 18 13:45:56 ... annd.. that;'s how i likes it! Aug 18 13:45:57 :) Aug 18 13:46:19 Dave: the default dicst are US,m not british Aug 18 13:46:25 just because thats what i based it on Aug 18 13:46:34 has someone else problems with wifi and "not sending essid ap's"? Aug 18 13:47:07 raster :) Aug 18 13:47:11 * Dave hugs raster Aug 18 13:47:17 raster: where would I look in OE to find the config file for om-gta01 which starts wifiget? Aug 18 13:47:18 raster: are theye any docs for making efl gui apps with python? and where? e cvs? Aug 18 13:47:20 Much appreciated. Aug 18 13:47:44 vmware wins! Aug 18 13:48:16 rwhitby: illume starts it Aug 18 13:48:35 its run by the wifi signal gadget Aug 18 13:48:45 raster: any idea where that would be under OE packages/... ? Aug 18 13:48:54 basically all it does is sti and poll a netlink socket to kenrel asking for wifi device adn their signal Aug 18 13:49:04 illume starts it in code Aug 18 13:49:06 literally Aug 18 13:49:16 its an executable thats shipped with the module Aug 18 13:49:23 inside the modules' private dir for its own binaries Aug 18 13:49:48 with FSO you could disable thew wifi gadget Aug 18 13:49:55 IT GETS SIGNAL? Aug 18 13:50:07 Dave: yes. it can... Aug 18 13:50:15 raster: ok, how do I permanently turn it off in the creation of the om-gta01 image so that no GTA01 user ever sees it? Aug 18 13:50:16 if u have wifi working.. on that odd occasion Aug 18 13:50:21 Dave: ...main screen turn on? ;) Aug 18 13:50:34 rwi u'll need to fork and create a different set of default configs for illume Aug 18 13:50:38 raster: is there a config file, or do I need to patch the code? Aug 18 13:50:44 in the illume src there are config files Aug 18 13:50:50 text that get compiled to binary Aug 18 13:50:55 in config/illume*.src Aug 18 13:50:58 :) Aug 18 13:50:59 in the illume src Aug 18 13:51:02 leinir >:) Aug 18 13:51:03 in the e.src Aug 18 13:51:23 u can greap for the section that instantiates a wifi gadget Aug 18 13:51:28 raster: so that would be built by illume-theme-freesmartphone? Aug 18 13:51:40 so u'll need to basically make a new patche of illume Aug 18 13:51:43 no Aug 18 13:51:45 not theme Aug 18 13:51:47 illume itself Aug 18 13:52:13 an sorry - i really dont folly python stuff for efl at all Aug 18 13:52:13 :( Aug 18 13:52:14 hmm I love undervolting Aug 18 13:52:37 raster: the do_compile method for illume-theme-freesmartphone does the following: cd illume && ./build.sh Aug 18 13:53:06 ah, I guess that's building illume.edj Aug 18 13:53:18 * rwhitby goes searching for where illume gets built in OE Aug 18 13:54:29 rwhitby: why not just modify the illume config to not have it loaded by default? Aug 18 13:54:51 AntonTakk: that's just what I asked raster and he said I needed to patch the source code Aug 18 13:55:42 * rwhitby is working out how to do it for *all* GTA01 users, straight out of the box, not just for himself. Aug 18 13:56:28 what command do I use if I want to upload a file via ssh to the phone? ssh filname root@192.168.0.202? Aug 18 13:56:43 sftp Aug 18 13:56:57 or scp Aug 18 13:57:04 sftp file root@IP:/path/to/directory/ Aug 18 13:57:08 er Aug 18 13:57:13 yeah, meant scp Aug 18 13:57:20 thanks Aug 18 13:57:35 with nothing after the : it defaults to /home/root/ Aug 18 13:57:58 rwhitby: does it also use the illume package Aug 18 13:58:23 as illume-theme packages seem all to be orrid hacks of playing symlink games with illume's default setup and theme Aug 18 13:58:41 as such the default config is in illumes' src Aug 18 13:58:45 its not packages separately Aug 18 13:59:03 as such the package hacks in asu etc. force e always to use an illume config profile Aug 18 13:59:15 i have a lot of badnesses to change/revert/remove Aug 18 13:59:25 tieh regards to using e/illume/efl Aug 18 13:59:37 raster: I've found the illume build directory - where do I look in it for the file to patch? Aug 18 13:59:49 all of them exist to wo4rk around existing code and systems to make designers happy Aug 18 13:59:58 rwhitby: config/illume/ Aug 18 14:00:42 make illume && make happy Aug 18 14:00:57 echo 'E_PROFILE="-profile illume"' > ${D}${sysconfdir}/enlightenment/default_profile Aug 18 14:01:16 then install -m 0644 ${S}/misc-data/illume.edj ${D}${datadir}/enlightenment/data/themes/ Aug 18 14:01:37 raster: is it in there, or is it really in the source code for the illume executable? Aug 18 14:01:39 Xora, how can I get a package added to the community repository? Aug 18 14:01:44 ~_~ Aug 18 14:01:55 Dave: release it on projects.openmoko Aug 18 14:02:04 Alright Aug 18 14:02:17 the instructions must be in the wiki somewhere Aug 18 14:02:26 Dave: don't forget to put a time-bomb trojan in there ... Aug 18 14:02:31 DOes it have to be a project? Aug 18 14:02:37 AFAIK yes Aug 18 14:02:41 It's just a useful people my optionally wish to install. Aug 18 14:02:45 Dave: what package Aug 18 14:02:51 I am unsure where it should be place otherwise. Aug 18 14:02:52 or i think send a mail+attachment to the multiverse mailinglist Aug 18 14:03:00 kinky Aug 18 14:03:13 that is how u'd change default profile Aug 18 14:03:18 e supports confog profiles Aug 18 14:03:21 Dave: submit a .bb file for it then we can add it to openmoko-feed :-) Aug 18 14:03:27 that emans it can maintain multiepl separate copnfigs for 1 user Aug 18 14:03:32 and choose whatever u want Aug 18 14:03:40 e will by default save the current profiel and use it again next time Aug 18 14:03:48 unless it is overridden on the cmd-line Aug 18 14:03:49 Xora, I have built a package with replaces the new application icons with the old ones from 2007.2, for users who wish to replace those new, questionable abstract artsy looking ones :) Aug 18 14:04:08 It's pretty simple, but think many others may wish to have it available, since it's just convenient. Aug 18 14:04:18 that is just changing from the illume profile to something else Aug 18 14:04:23 right now the whole thing is a shables Aug 18 14:04:26 * rwhitby wades through the infinite configurability of raster's work, trying to find the right line to patch :-) Aug 18 14:04:34 :D Aug 18 14:04:37 the problem is its incredibly configurable Aug 18 14:04:42 haha Aug 18 14:04:45 and asu has neytered 99% of it Aug 18 14:04:47 Raster is TOO courteous ;) Aug 18 14:05:03 which makes it nigh a useless llump Aug 18 14:05:17 as al lthe bits that were intended to be how a user could go change thigns have been takend away from you Aug 18 14:05:20 raster: couldn't he just use enlightenment_remote to disable it on the first boot? Aug 18 14:05:33 ok, there is also an illume-config package which gets built from the illume source Aug 18 14:05:36 and the things asllowing you to change the things that allow you to change the thigns... that allow you to do something are removed Aug 18 14:05:44 raster, would it be beneficial to create a small gui to configure portions of it? Aug 18 14:05:45 all in the name of "you must configure everythign by packages" Aug 18 14:05:57 though those decreing this also want to use existing code whihc doesnt work that way... Aug 18 14:06:00 anyway Aug 18 14:06:09 its not my problem anymore Aug 18 14:06:13 * XorA sees the steam level rise around raster Aug 18 14:06:17 i will fix up illume and e stuff to work proeprly Aug 18 14:06:17 Xora, thoughts? I've currently named it oldicons, but I guess you could always rename it if it gets added to the repo :) Aug 18 14:06:20 haha Aug 18 14:06:22 as it was intended to work from upstyream Aug 18 14:06:27 raster's hot? Aug 18 14:06:31 without designer and "visionary" interference Aug 18 14:06:37 Dave: does your package overwrite files, thats a bit more difficult to accept Aug 18 14:06:45 crap Aug 18 14:06:55 rwhitby: illume-configt is entirely misleading. its just a different theme Aug 18 14:06:55 Well what else could I do? Back them up first? :P Aug 18 14:07:05 I mean, it effectively replaces ICONS (image files) Aug 18 14:07:07 just the pixmaps Aug 18 14:07:08 Dave: you would technically need to update-alternatve them Aug 18 14:07:19 update-alternative ? -_- Aug 18 14:07:23 raster: ok, I've found e.src Aug 18 14:07:24 two3four: for now Aug 18 14:07:26 live with wifiget Aug 18 14:07:29 so they would have to confirm the overwrite? Aug 18 14:07:29 thats my advice Aug 18 14:07:35 and wait until i fix it up properly Aug 18 14:07:41 Dave: probably best just to stick your package on a website somewhere and put a link in mailing list Aug 18 14:07:48 :( Aug 18 14:07:52 did you know if 20080813 form /daily/freerunner/ run well? Aug 18 14:08:25 Xora, you don't have any objections with me linking to it from the wiki then, do you? :P Aug 18 14:08:26 Dave: you could just dump the icons in /usr/share/pixmaps and leave the desktop files in the package's data directory so users can pick and choose, or let them modify thr .desktop files on their own Aug 18 14:08:36 Dave: no problems at all Aug 18 14:08:52 AntonTakk: hmm? Aug 18 14:08:55 Dave: its a useful package, Im not not sure how to squeeze it in with nice packaging guidelines Aug 18 14:08:58 with all the hacks its become so incredibly complicated Aug 18 14:09:02 icons on linux suckass Aug 18 14:09:09 Xora, yeah :| Aug 18 14:09:14 * rwhitby considers a compilation patch so e_mod_gad_wifi is not included in GTA01 builds ... Aug 18 14:09:27 Well, thanks for the compliment, Xora :) Aug 18 14:09:37 * XorA has no love of the crazy icons Aug 18 14:09:51 Yeah, they're... just strange, and unhelpful. Aug 18 14:10:08 What icons are these? :) Aug 18 14:10:12 It's funny because we had users complaining that there latest update removed the terminal app, for example. Aug 18 14:10:14 ASU 2008.8 icons Aug 18 14:10:20 do i tough the guy's head, or the cow to make a call? ;) Aug 18 14:10:38 heh Aug 18 14:10:39 moo Aug 18 14:10:51 Ooh, that reminds me. Aug 18 14:11:08 Shit, but I really shouldn't work on that app, until I get this audio problem fixed :( Aug 18 14:13:19 On that note, before I drop the issue for yet another day, anyone have any further thoughts on my mysterious audio issue? :) Aug 18 14:13:48 rwhitby: i know what you are after Aug 18 14:13:57 and u can hack it in for now Aug 18 14:14:04 e.rsc will have a wifi gagdte section Aug 18 14:14:09 deletign that will remvoe it as a default Aug 18 14:14:24 but its a real hack of a solution Aug 18 14:14:36 the real solution is to have config entirely as a profile Aug 18 14:14:43 themes sntirely separte and not used as config Aug 18 14:15:05 and a single magic system package to determine initial user profile when they start Aug 18 14:15:18 (and after that its all user config) Aug 18 14:16:16 raster: Just finished that for fso Aug 18 14:16:24 stefan_schmidt: cool! Aug 18 14:16:26 -profile fso works great now Aug 18 14:16:36 All local test are fine now. Aug 18 14:16:50 ok Aug 18 14:16:53 time to snooz Aug 18 14:16:56 nod nod time! Aug 18 14:16:57 Lets see what other bugs sneaked in Aug 18 14:16:59 nito's Aug 18 14:17:00 night raster Aug 18 14:17:12 Time to stop working for today here, too. Aug 18 14:17:15 cu guys Aug 18 14:17:48 bye Aug 18 14:18:00 hey guys and girls, I have a funny problem with booting Aug 18 14:18:53 when I power on normally, I see the last thing the screen showed when I turned the phone off Aug 18 14:19:03 and then it freezes like that Aug 18 14:19:17 I can boot normally through nor, though Aug 18 14:19:40 is there a new kernel for 2008.08 .. ?? where is it ?? Aug 18 14:20:17 Raster, magic! Aug 18 14:21:52 I've reflashed just about every part of u-boot (including the splash) to no avail Aug 18 14:22:50 Oh yeah, anyone have any idea what is happening with opkg? Aug 18 14:23:49 should there be something happening? Aug 18 14:23:57 YES Aug 18 14:24:11 It's old and crusty, and seems like no one has been working on it. Aug 18 14:24:17 I could be wrong, but it highly appears that way. Aug 18 14:24:26 I'm so constantly aggravated by it I almost want to fork the project. Aug 18 14:24:39 Are the maintainers dead? Aug 18 14:24:50 Are we at war with them? Aug 18 14:25:03 meh, replace it with yum ;) Aug 18 14:25:11 hahaha, fuck that :D Aug 18 14:25:32 needs more apt Aug 18 14:25:41 when I restart the device (running qtopia) I get kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(2,0) Aug 18 14:25:41 hahaha Aug 18 14:25:43 optitude Aug 18 14:25:52 how about dpkg back end and yum front end? Aug 18 14:26:02 sure, I could care less about the frontend Aug 18 14:26:02 i added the "/" character to the keyboard, but it will not show u, do i have to reboot the phone before it can work? Aug 18 14:26:28 I just find yum doesn't handle as well as say apt Aug 18 14:26:43 or rpm back end and apt4rpm front end? (yay dead project as front end) ;) Aug 18 14:26:53 eww :P Aug 18 14:27:08 or how about I just fix opkg first? Aug 18 14:27:16 Then we'll see :) Aug 18 14:27:22 boooooring ;) Aug 18 14:27:36 Fine, go on and begin your holy crusade without me :P Aug 18 14:28:13 lol Aug 18 14:28:22 but holy crusades are like multiplayer video games, it doesn't work so well with only one person Aug 18 14:28:29 this debian installation is so painful Aug 18 14:28:30 haha Aug 18 14:28:44 Hallowed are the dpkgs. Aug 18 14:28:51 LOL Aug 18 14:28:58 >:) Aug 18 14:29:10 Burn the unbelievers! Aug 18 14:29:10 Dave: no one is maintaining opkg? Aug 18 14:29:20 I have no idea! It surely doesn't seem like it! Aug 18 14:29:21 * AntonTakk sets the rpm bible on his desk, and the desk breaks Aug 18 14:29:45 * Dave ignites Antontakk Aug 18 14:30:00 hpux-ignites* Aug 18 14:30:06 pfft Aug 18 14:30:10 haha Aug 18 14:30:11 aux? Aug 18 14:30:13 aix Aug 18 14:30:16 * AntonTakk runs rpm --put-out-fires Aug 18 14:30:52 emerge weapon Aug 18 14:31:12 aptitude install defenses Aug 18 14:31:23 yum -y install impenetrable shield Aug 18 14:31:31 i hope they have an external slot of the microsd card on the GTA03 Aug 18 14:31:38 s/of/for/ Aug 18 14:31:40 burnall unbelievers Aug 18 14:31:48 SUNWjoejaxx: THAT would be awesome Aug 18 14:32:00 SUNWjoejaxx: that would be nice Aug 18 14:32:27 of corse i'm also a fan of hardware keyboards, but it seems that will never happen Aug 18 14:33:00 Hey... what about man pages? Aug 18 14:33:41 sure it could Aug 18 14:33:41 I'd rather like some reasonable qwerty keyboard than any damn 0-9-phone-kb Aug 18 14:33:54 yeap Aug 18 14:34:12 External slot-loaders for EVERYTHING! Aug 18 14:34:16 ^_^ Aug 18 14:34:25 Fuck all other shitty designs. Aug 18 14:34:33 I mean... Aug 18 14:34:36 This isn't a phone for six year olds. Aug 18 14:34:46 Is there any way to install a "usual" set of manpages? Aug 18 14:34:49 who needs keyboards, punchcards ftw! Aug 18 14:34:55 yeah, I want a slot for the cpu! Aug 18 14:34:56 jucs, if only. :) Aug 18 14:35:03 and then some huge adaptors Aug 18 14:35:05 :-D Aug 18 14:35:08 Tanuva, no, but just flash memory and SIM. Aug 18 14:35:12 Would be great, though^^ Aug 18 14:35:14 Dave: *g* Aug 18 14:35:33 My ideal phone has a SD slot and dual SIM slots. Aug 18 14:35:40 all externally slotloading. Aug 18 14:36:19 Unfortunately, my compromise was a dual internal with external slotloading SD card Aug 18 14:36:23 :| Aug 18 14:36:36 they make a single external slotloading SIM phone(s) but pfft Aug 18 14:36:44 it sucked Aug 18 14:37:10 one would think though, what could be worse than the freerunner :D Aug 18 14:37:18 The only hardware differences from perfekt are that it doesn't have a cam and - the most important - no UMTS :-P Aug 18 14:37:31 Dave: yeah gta04: dualsim + hsupa + hsdpa Aug 18 14:37:40 :] Aug 18 14:37:43 ;-) Aug 18 14:37:57 It lacks a lot more important features. Aug 18 14:38:10 By far, the most important of which is NO [separate] POWER CONNECTOR Aug 18 14:38:10 So? Aug 18 14:38:17 but Joerg and I share the same vision for that. Aug 18 14:38:18 Power connector? Aug 18 14:38:20 Yes. Aug 18 14:38:32 can someone tell me where all the pics come from on http://scap.linuxtogo.org and where are the feeds and or packages for some of those apps ? Aug 18 14:38:34 Dave: that vision is? Aug 18 14:38:46 hipitihop: gpe-scap Aug 18 14:38:49 You mean, seperate from the USB? Aug 18 14:38:50 like a fucking wallwart connector in addition to the usb connector Aug 18 14:38:56 usb is for data, power is for power :P Aug 18 14:39:01 hipitihop: pretty much any OE generated image uploads there, so all the packages are normally in OE Aug 18 14:39:02 I don't argue that you can use USB for power Aug 18 14:39:05 I wrote a wiki-articel about it just check wiki.openmoko.org Aug 18 14:39:14 But what's the problem about that? Aug 18 14:39:20 but this single usb port has introduced a shitload of problems and limitations because of it. Aug 18 14:39:21 Tanuva: that's what i mean, like the keyboards on an htc device Aug 18 14:39:31 hmm.. Aug 18 14:39:50 Jucs, in all honesty, if you had a separate power connector, one could simply conceivably be able to connect a usb camera and have fun. Aug 18 14:39:51 I see xournal Aug 18 14:40:15 Instead of going through two to three months of arguing and debate on the mailing list trying to debug and figure out one could even use usb devices on it. Aug 18 14:40:15 Or a USB 3G-modem :-P Aug 18 14:40:19 exactly! Aug 18 14:40:24 air card! Aug 18 14:40:35 Okay, you're right... but 2 USB-Ports would solve the thing better, wouldn't they? Aug 18 14:40:42 Yeah but that's just stupid Aug 18 14:40:45 and doesn't work Aug 18 14:40:50 kay kay.. Aug 18 14:40:57 jucs, part of the problem is usb charging is apparently very complicated Aug 18 14:41:00 when doing it PROPERLY Aug 18 14:41:13 such that plugging in an unsafe charger won't explode your device :P Aug 18 14:41:15 etc Aug 18 14:41:20 it has to ID the source I believe and such Aug 18 14:41:30 Whereas a simple power connector, could, ALSO, charge it when it's OFF Aug 18 14:41:38 Which I would think is mandatory. Aug 18 14:41:38 XorA, OE is OpenEmbeded ? and if so not all packages necessarily suitable for neo ? Aug 18 14:41:45 That's what I would argue anyway. Aug 18 14:41:48 hipitihop: yes basically Aug 18 14:41:54 :-P Aug 18 14:41:54 jucs, with usb you can't boot when it's off :( Aug 18 14:42:05 Yups, that's stupid... Aug 18 14:42:07 couldn't one rip out the two power wires from an old usb cable and solder some charger to them while connecting the data ones to the pc? Aug 18 14:42:16 I believe uboot was modified last month to at least allow 100mA charging when on boot or debug Aug 18 14:42:20 but that doesn't really work. Aug 18 14:42:26 at it still drains the battery, just less :P Aug 18 14:42:30 Stupid, yes :) Aug 18 14:42:36 Tanuva :p Aug 18 14:42:36 Dave: could you please repeat this on the ML, [hw] preferrably Aug 18 14:42:47 DocScrutinizer, would you like me to? :) Aug 18 14:42:56 yup! Aug 18 14:42:57 :-P So let's hope for a change in the GTA03^^ Aug 18 14:42:59 Okay! :D Aug 18 14:43:08 Yes, hopefully with Joerg's support :) Aug 18 14:43:15 By the way, is there any proc/sys-File to read out the current charge-speed? Aug 18 14:43:15 jucs: no much chance for the moment Aug 18 14:43:25 Dave: too fantastic? or does usb requre the power wires to be conntected to the pc? ^^ Aug 18 14:43:30 i know reasonable usb charging is posible, i have owned two phones that woulc charge via usb while turned off Aug 18 14:43:32 two usb ports, one of which is dual usb/audio like HTC phones :-) Aug 18 14:43:37 they even cancelled my 3.5mm jack Aug 18 14:43:44 tanuva, my understanding is that wouldn't really work unless you did a decent resoldering job Aug 18 14:43:46 jucs: ther eis, but I don't remember which Aug 18 14:43:51 Joerg :\ Aug 18 14:43:54 k :-P Aug 18 14:43:59 tanuva it has a logical circuit Aug 18 14:44:02 logic, rather Aug 18 14:44:07 yup, bulls**t Aug 18 14:44:10 :( Aug 18 14:44:11 DocScrutinizer: what would be realistic for gta03? Aug 18 14:44:16 damn Aug 18 14:44:18 no 3.5mm jack i very annoying Aug 18 14:44:22 Joerg, what's their problem? Aug 18 14:44:32 XorA: or just usb and make the headset be a usb headset/mic Aug 18 14:44:45 Dave: too many HOLES in the case :-( @.@ Aug 18 14:44:53 * Tanuva got a working 2.5->3.5mm adapter now, doesn't matter anymore :) Aug 18 14:45:02 Joerg, my argument is it needs more! :x Aug 18 14:45:04 DocScrutinizer: LOL Aug 18 14:45:10 I hope they don't just dismiss me on the ml then :) Aug 18 14:45:14 but the hole makes the neo special! xD Aug 18 14:45:21 :-P Aug 18 14:45:27 Tanuva, nah, just a bigger whore ;) Aug 18 14:45:36 never let designers specify technical properties of a device :-( !!! Aug 18 14:45:40 Tanuva: feature holes! the more holes, the more features ;) Aug 18 14:45:41 Actually I really like the design, including the hole... Aug 18 14:45:47 Tanuva: which adapter did you get exactly ? Aug 18 14:45:59 AntonTakk: yeah, we therefore get some cheese-like phone *g* Aug 18 14:46:02 Before I got it I thought it may be looking stupid, but it doesn't... Aug 18 14:46:03 can u revert to 2007.2 from 12008. Aug 18 14:46:08 it seems openmoko has a big problem with their design departement Aug 18 14:46:09 *2008.8 Aug 18 14:46:09 I think it's also unfair that you have an external gps antenna connector but not an external wifi connector, or accessible external gsm antenna connector Aug 18 14:46:13 xmpp: MP35A, take a look at the Headset page on the wiki Aug 18 14:46:17 Even my phone as an external antenna connector Aug 18 14:46:24 most do, I believe Aug 18 14:46:26 jucs: I'm talking about holes for headset-adapter e.g. -- not lanyard hole Aug 18 14:46:48 xmpp: shipped quite fast (about ... a week or so) from hong kong to germany Aug 18 14:47:02 I know, but anyway^^ Aug 18 14:47:03 Joerg, I take it you would agree with bumble, in that they have some issues with their design department? Aug 18 14:47:19 bumbl: simple to solve, provide a location-finalized circuit and tell them to make a case :) Aug 18 14:47:26 :x Aug 18 14:47:27 er Aug 18 14:47:37 meaning the components won't me moving Aug 18 14:47:56 :) Aug 18 14:48:20 Joerg, do you think it would be wrong for me to drill my own modified case and then send it back to them, as a *hint* ;) Aug 18 14:48:27 or would they just dismiss it and throw it out :P Aug 18 14:48:38 Tanuva: it must be a 4-rings (stereo + mic + ground) male to female, exact ? Aug 18 14:48:47 probably the later Aug 18 14:49:13 xmpp: yes, but the exact connection 4ringed->3ringed must match Aug 18 14:49:28 i hope i order the good one it's not that expensive but i don't know why this thing is so rare Aug 18 14:49:54 the one described on the wiki works fine, confimed by 2 or three people on the ml Aug 18 14:50:01 Docscrutinizer :\ Aug 18 14:50:05 why 4-rings to 3-rings ? do i lose something in the transition ? Aug 18 14:50:10 mic Aug 18 14:50:12 yes, the mic connector Aug 18 14:50:14 Uhm... is there any way to re-order just the case? Aug 18 14:50:29 xmpp: lose the mic wire Aug 18 14:50:31 I mean, if the back doesn't survive the next 500 battery changes... Aug 18 14:50:53 jucs :) Aug 18 14:50:56 :-D Aug 18 14:51:14 I might build a lego case :) Aug 18 14:51:14 unfortuneately OM chose the design where the mic isnt on the ring that is ground on normal jacks Aug 18 14:51:19 would anyone go for that? :P Aug 18 14:51:22 I mean, the battery isn't that strong, so I would buy 3 or so... would mean I have to change some times a day... Aug 18 14:51:23 Dave: LOL Aug 18 14:51:29 thats a much nicer design to deal with Aug 18 14:51:41 Battery life is very much a work in progress. Suspend works for some people in some images on freerunner, leading to >24h suspend times. It looks plausible from various sources of information and testing that 3-5 hours of talk time, 20h of mp3 playing, and a week of standby should be possible. Aug 18 14:51:49 jucs, probably Aug 18 14:51:55 Thanks Speedbot. Aug 18 14:51:56 -_- Aug 18 14:52:05 yell at cesarb Aug 18 14:52:12 XD Aug 18 14:52:17 though he had "personal issues"... so blah Aug 18 14:52:18 :P Aug 18 14:52:26 For me, standby doesn't work at all.... after the wakeup it's more or less dead... Aug 18 14:52:36 yep! Aug 18 14:52:49 Openmoko progress is inversely proportional to time. Aug 18 14:52:59 :-D Aug 18 14:53:02 I should write a blog entry somewhere to that effect. Aug 18 14:53:23 Seriously, it's sickening yet almost funny [at times], how as we mvoe forward much of the software progress goes backwards :P Aug 18 14:53:34 nah, just decided to give 2008.08 a try ... GSM no work at all :-( Aug 18 14:53:40 like a month later, certain previously working features are now horribly destroyed or broken again :) Aug 18 14:53:42 YAAAAAAAAAAAAY! i will get my free runner in one week! Aug 18 14:53:47 * Tanuva is quite happy with fso Aug 18 14:53:48 DocScrutinizer, bad idea :\ Aug 18 14:53:51 :) Aug 18 14:53:52 Zoup: lol Aug 18 14:53:52 24h suspend time ? without shuting down ? what image has this feature ? Aug 18 14:53:54 it's totally not working yet :) Aug 18 14:54:04 Dave: bah i think we would be bored if everything worked Aug 18 14:54:05 Dave: I think fso has a good progress Aug 18 14:54:08 Zoup, join our Freerunner comfort group :) Aug 18 14:54:18 Zoup: given the current software, it wouldnt matter if it took 6 months longer Aug 18 14:54:21 bumble, I hear fso is really bad at the moment, nothing works. Aug 18 14:54:24 Freerunner's Anonymous Aug 18 14:54:26 but getting better rapidly. Aug 18 14:54:28 yep Aug 18 14:54:30 can someone please Freeze my brain for one week ? Aug 18 14:54:33 it's a comfort group Aug 18 14:54:44 * SpeedEvil freezes Zoups brain till the year 2525. Aug 18 14:54:46 * Dave sends Zoup SIGTRANQ Aug 18 14:54:47 * Dave sends Zoup SIGTRANQ Aug 18 14:54:47 * Dave sends Zoup SIGTRANQ Aug 18 14:54:51 LOL Aug 18 14:54:57 that should do it ;) Aug 18 14:55:07 What about Qtopia? It has almost no apps, but calls/messages work stable, don't they? Aug 18 14:55:09 its SIGINT Aug 18 14:55:12 Is 2525 too optimistic? Aug 18 14:55:13 yep Aug 18 14:55:23 jucs, yes Aug 18 14:55:26 ;-) Aug 18 14:55:27 hey ronny :P Aug 18 14:55:29 yes Aug 18 14:55:33 :D Aug 18 14:55:37 Frozen Aug 18 14:55:49 nice. but what will happen on 24h-disconnect? Aug 18 14:55:49 np: Madonna - Frozen. Aug 18 14:56:03 someone wrote that he is getting >56h battery lifetime with his freerunner Aug 18 14:56:11 Dave: i'm using an fso-testing daily, works fine Aug 18 14:56:25 Dave: correction - the features it has fork fine ;) Aug 18 14:56:27 bumbl: it basically varies per image. Aug 18 14:56:31 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tktMN_Y1rs8 Aug 18 14:56:35 freerunner ftw Aug 18 14:56:40 ronny: even with this new om 2008 thing ? Aug 18 14:56:40 work* Aug 18 14:56:44 Hello Aug 18 14:56:47 gahaha Aug 18 14:56:49 bumbl: per daily of each image I mean. Aug 18 14:56:52 but it lacks major features Aug 18 14:56:55 doc doc doc Aug 18 14:56:58 Dave: i wonder HOW exactly i was using by brain , i feel no difference when its not working Aug 18 14:57:12 * Dave shrugs and roll shis eyes Aug 18 14:57:14 that's what they say about qtopia... i just need a reliable phone and don't need other apps, i should look for qtopia more Aug 18 14:57:16 Zoup|Frozen: tanning leather? Aug 18 14:57:31 SpeedEvil: hummm! Aug 18 14:57:39 xmpp, then yes. Aug 18 14:57:50 jucs, I'm also using fso-testing now third day, so far so good. daily builds/updates Aug 18 14:57:50 xmpp: ime, qtopia is reliable untill you *really* need it to be reliable Aug 18 14:57:51 So far qtopia is "stable" (as a phone, anyway) Aug 18 14:58:05 AntonTakk: what do you mean Aug 18 14:58:05 4.3.3. supospedly makes it a stable wifi too (but you have no applications to use it with) Aug 18 14:58:05 Someone could tell me if the +CNUM AT value could be changed on their moko ? Aug 18 14:58:10 :-P Aug 18 14:58:13 4.3.4 is supposed to fix that Aug 18 14:58:18 leroutier: as I understand it if you sewap SIMs Aug 18 14:58:27 I believe it is sleighted to include a browser then. Aug 18 14:58:32 I've tried Om2008.8 for some time, but it's unusable afaik... Aug 18 14:58:42 omg! zhone spontaneously asked for my pin! Aug 18 14:58:43 i heard that its not working with some providers , anyone experienced this ? Aug 18 14:58:46 SpeedEvil, ok, so it is writen forever in the SIM card and is read-only ? Aug 18 14:58:48 xmpp: like it crashes when you really want to make a call, but recieves them just fine in a movie theater Aug 18 14:58:54 leroutier: sort-of Aug 18 14:59:01 I like 2007.2 most, if I it was only more stable... Aug 18 14:59:06 it* Aug 18 14:59:15 leroutier: as I understand it, the phone number is not actually stored in the SIM Aug 18 14:59:20 SpeedEvil, that stinks as for me, it is filled with sh.it (3 empty numbers) Aug 18 14:59:32 * Dave high-fives jucs Aug 18 14:59:36 :-) Aug 18 14:59:38 Oh, btw, jucs. Aug 18 14:59:43 leroutier: the phone number is what the network responds when it authenticates with the SIM Aug 18 14:59:44 Did you upgrade to the latest? Aug 18 14:59:49 Do you have those fugly new icons? Aug 18 15:00:08 SpeedEvil, a way to retrieve it via another AT command ? Aug 18 15:00:09 My last update was yesterday.. Aug 18 15:00:12 Hey, anyone know about the sd corruption bug? Aug 18 15:00:13 GSM phone->network really doesnt care about phone numbers Aug 18 15:00:25 i'd stay with 2007.2 but the stability is unacceptable + the interface is bad, all the icons are so unintuitive... Aug 18 15:00:32 there is a number to IMSI mapping higher up in the network Aug 18 15:00:34 jucs, well if you're tired of the new strange icons, I just created a package to restore the old icons :) Aug 18 15:00:37 And my icons are the same as always... Aug 18 15:00:37 leroutier: what do you mean - +cnum doesn't read out your [phone number? Aug 18 15:00:44 IMEI? Aug 18 15:00:57 Dave: that identifies the phone, not the subscriber Aug 18 15:01:01 SpeedEvil, +CNUM gives me : Aug 18 15:01:02 AT+CNUM Aug 18 15:01:02 STR=`AT+CNUM' Aug 18 15:01:02 RSTR=`+CNUM: "Mon No SFR","",255' Aug 18 15:01:02 RSTR=`+CNUM: "Donnes","",255' Aug 18 15:01:02 RSTR=`+CNUM: "Fax","",255' Aug 18 15:01:04 yep Aug 18 15:01:07 personally, i'm using fso-testing from 8/17, seems stable, and the fso ringtone just kicks ass :) Aug 18 15:01:17 Which, as you see is ... not really usefull Aug 18 15:01:26 Dave, so please leave the link; if my change I'll probably need it... Aug 18 15:01:31 leroutier: does it actually have a number that you can ring it on? Aug 18 15:01:34 * hipitihop nods to AntonTakk Aug 18 15:01:36 :] Aug 18 15:01:48 yep, I tried : Aug 18 15:01:50 AT+CNUM="national","0613440045",161 Aug 18 15:01:50 AT+CNUM="international","+33613440045",145 Aug 18 15:01:52 AntonTakk: what did you suggest before, I leave the icons in the app data dir? hmm? Aug 18 15:01:58 to overwrite the CNUM value Aug 18 15:02:07 I think I'm going to copy the man pages from my pc to the freerunner.... if I get the deps solved... Aug 18 15:02:22 Answer me you mortals! ( since i can live until 2525 and try GTA4000 ) : is this right that free runner is not working with some providers ? Aug 18 15:02:29 leroutier: you can't set tehm that way Aug 18 15:02:32 AntonTakk, have you got mp3 player going ? Aug 18 15:02:38 i wish they just used text instead of icons, like "call", "end", "sms", more efficient than some non-sense icons Aug 18 15:02:43 Zoup|Frozen: some SIMs are probelmatic Aug 18 15:02:45 SpeedEvil, that's what I saw unfortunatly Aug 18 15:03:21 hossi: abakus_lite wants to help you with wifi I think ;) Aug 18 15:03:22 SpeedEvil: emm ... and they are not working with free runner while usable on typical phone ? Aug 18 15:03:39 Zoup|Frozen: yes Aug 18 15:04:01 abakus_lite, :) Aug 18 15:04:10 Xora, how do I access update-alternatives support in i/opkg? Aug 18 15:04:11 Zoup|Frozen: I'm unsure if the root cause has been found Aug 18 15:04:16 edistar, no time sorry Aug 18 15:04:28 Dave: postinst script Aug 18 15:04:39 oh, so it just executes a post script? :D Aug 18 15:04:39 * jucs needs some food, see you! Aug 18 15:04:40 Dave: but all the original icon locations would also need to be "fixed" Aug 18 15:04:51 "fixed"? Aug 18 15:04:54 can the microsd card be directly seen as ums with usb cable? how? Aug 18 15:04:57 In what sense? Aug 18 15:05:04 xmpp: yes Aug 18 15:05:07 xmpp: not yet Aug 18 15:05:10 oh oh oh, I just broke gsmd or phone-kit, reverting Aug 18 15:05:11 Dave: but for an interesting hack, you could postinst to move icons our of way and move your one in the way and reverse that in postrm Aug 18 15:05:25 right :P Aug 18 15:05:27 xmpp: you 'just' need to swap the USB-ethernet gadget driver for USB mass-storage Aug 18 15:05:27 SpeedEvil: I WILL SUICIDE if that dont work with my sim Aug 18 15:05:31 that's what I've done in the past Aug 18 15:05:38 it's just a sneaky compromise :) Aug 18 15:05:43 Zoup|Frozen: that's one way to get publicity for OM. Aug 18 15:05:43 opkg would then not complain about overwrites Aug 18 15:05:47 yep Aug 18 15:05:54 but if someone did opkg upgrade it would all go wrong Aug 18 15:05:56 and it would effectively be backing then up Aug 18 15:05:59 ack :x Aug 18 15:06:03 abakus_lite: what a shame.. Aug 18 15:06:05 Zoup|Frozen, your sim is 3G ? Aug 18 15:06:15 Xora, any suggestions? :) Aug 18 15:06:23 Hey anyone has Creative Zen Aurvana Ear phones ? do i need an adaptor for this ? Aug 18 15:06:27 Thoughts or ideas? Aug 18 15:06:27 i will suicide? you mean maybe i will commit hari kari or sepuku? Aug 18 15:06:28 hipitihop: emm ... i dont know Aug 18 15:06:31 SpeedEvil: no one successfuly did that yet ? so i should wait for this feature... ok Aug 18 15:06:32 SpeedEvil: but wouldn't usbmassstorage require me to unmount the card on the neo? Aug 18 15:06:36 edistar, lol Aug 18 15:06:38 :P Aug 18 15:06:53 TankC: possibly, yes. Aug 18 15:06:55 tanu: Aug 18 15:06:56 abakus_lite: #neo1973-germany and #freeyourphone is german btw.. freeyourphone for beginners Aug 18 15:06:57 Dave: just go the overwrite route, chances are Ill never merge the icons back into OE anyway and FSO wont use them :-) Aug 18 15:07:03 Zoup|Frozen, the only SIM I have heard some people have trouble with is 3G Aug 18 15:07:10 kd8ikt: aa emm .. i might get another sim really Aug 18 15:07:11 edistar, thx Aug 18 15:07:21 xmpp: people may have done it - I'm not aware of any writing it up in an easy how-to. Aug 18 15:07:24 Xora, okay ;) Aug 18 15:07:29 hipitihop: is this '3g' provider name or some technical detail ? Aug 18 15:07:36 Xora, they really were bad, weren't they? ;) Aug 18 15:07:44 retracile! Aug 18 15:08:06 I only merged them to OM.dev by accident Aug 18 15:08:14 haha Aug 18 15:08:19 Really? Aug 18 15:08:27 yes Aug 18 15:08:30 direct ums with usb cable should be a priority cause it's easier than ethernet and ssh Aug 18 15:08:31 Cute accident ;) Aug 18 15:08:31 Dave! Aug 18 15:08:54 xmpp: not for logging in and doing stuff Aug 18 15:09:01 xmpp: it's pretty useless for that. Aug 18 15:09:05 Zoup|Frozen, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3G_cellular_network Aug 18 15:09:26 anyway i'm waiting for a how-to on the wiki Aug 18 15:10:09 usbnet should be praised, if I had to use the onscreen-kb all the time on this tiny terminal screen... Aug 18 15:10:35 * hipitihop nods in agreement with Tanuva Aug 18 15:10:48 Dave: can you please defrost me ? Aug 18 15:11:31 hipitihop: interesting , thank you Aug 18 15:12:41 Zoup, no :P Aug 18 15:12:46 We like you better this way ;) Aug 18 15:13:47 Yes, there is no Openfree in Openmoko. Aug 18 15:13:50 anyone know what format the ringtone is on fso ? Aug 18 15:14:59 No idea Aug 18 15:15:04 the original is a sid file, but theres a howto on how to replace it Aug 18 15:15:17 (yes, howtos describe how to do smthin... :P) Aug 18 15:15:42 :P Aug 18 15:15:43 Tanuva, you have fso-testing ? Aug 18 15:15:49 hah yeah I just laughed at that, Tanuva :P Aug 18 15:15:53 good thinking Aug 18 15:15:55 Some dev still working on OM2007.2 or everyone moved to 2008.4/8 or FSO ? Aug 18 15:16:11 How to lose your sanity? Step one: Purchase a Neo Freerunner. Aug 18 15:16:13 ahm... m2 I think, but with updates from the celtune repo Aug 18 15:16:22 Step two: Try to develop for it. Aug 18 15:16:37 Step three: Try to maintain your software for one year's time. Aug 18 15:16:45 hipitihop: it is sid Aug 18 15:16:49 meanwhile, six image shifts later, and distribution branching... Aug 18 15:17:53 AntonTakk, ok, will look up what that is and how to replace, thanks. Aug 18 15:17:56 hipitihop: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO_ringtones Aug 18 15:18:07 AntonTakk, too quick, thanks Aug 18 15:18:19 np Aug 18 15:18:31 personally, i love the default ringtone Aug 18 15:18:39 AntonTakk, MPlayer work on your fso-testing or recomend something else ? Aug 18 15:18:46 i never have to ask someone else if that's their phone Aug 18 15:18:48 Oh, my poor audio device, won't you come back to me? :( Aug 18 15:18:55 AntonTakk, agree with you just want to know how Aug 18 15:19:09 hipitihop: haven't tried, didn't know it was available, let me try Aug 18 15:19:52 A keyboard related question , is this easy to type by finger in om.2008 keyboard ? Aug 18 15:20:03 i know gprs was working for me last night :) Aug 18 15:21:08 Xora, do you know where can I find the opkg spec? Aug 18 15:21:09 cool, I managed to get calls & gestures going today Aug 18 15:21:29 Dave: erm, its mostly .dev Aug 18 15:21:30 .deb Aug 18 15:21:38 not sure if there actually any differences Aug 18 15:21:40 hrm, yeah, fine. Aug 18 15:21:52 I believe there are a few, but I didn't think they had their own spec. Aug 18 15:21:54 Oh well :) Aug 18 15:22:08 Dave: please write one :-) Aug 18 15:22:11 hah! Aug 18 15:22:16 Hey, I'm not *that* crazy ;) Aug 18 15:22:21 ... yet Aug 18 15:22:23 :x Aug 18 15:22:34 * XorA sprays the scarecrow juice Aug 18 15:22:40 hipitihop: the frame rate isn't great, but it works Aug 18 15:22:41 aaaaaaah Aug 18 15:23:09 AntonTakk, framerate for audio ? Aug 18 15:23:10 Where the hell did you get those icons anyway, Xora? A Jackson Pollack? :P Aug 18 15:23:16 no, video Aug 18 15:23:21 Dave: no idea, they just appeared Aug 18 15:23:29 Dave: somewhere from OM .tw Aug 18 15:23:30 * Dave rolls his eyes Aug 18 15:23:33 the vudio was fine, thou Aug 18 15:23:38 er Aug 18 15:23:40 audio Aug 18 15:23:42 AntonTakk, I'd really like vlc Aug 18 15:23:45 uh huh Aug 18 15:24:12 AntonTakk, do you know anything else that works ? Aug 18 15:24:21 Hoory, after installing my package all the old icons are back :) Aug 18 15:24:42 if vlc will get us better frame rates (which i doubt - seems glamo is the source of the performance problems) i'd be all for it Aug 18 15:24:51 Dave: Gratz! maybe you want to defrost me now 8-) Aug 18 15:24:59 otherwise, i'd be happy with a simple efl based media player Aug 18 15:25:00 haha Aug 18 15:25:06 * Dave sets Zoup on fire Aug 18 15:25:09 do you think nokia maemo would have been a good option for the freerunner ? Aug 18 15:25:09 :P Aug 18 15:25:35 better than current options ? Aug 18 15:25:40 AntonTakk, that too, aware of anything ? Aug 18 15:26:02 * Zoup|Frozen is melting Aug 18 15:26:32 * DocScrutinizer throws icecubes on Zoup's brain Aug 18 15:27:23 hi, i'm trying to use the debugboard, now it loads the uboot from ram and on the serial console i see: http://rafb.net/p/6nVJrA30.html Aug 18 15:27:30 * DocScrutinizer is opening bottle with liquid nitrogen Aug 18 15:27:31 but nothing more happends :-( Aug 18 15:27:50 wtf Aug 18 15:27:58 :P Aug 18 15:28:04 libemotion-tests is a package, but xine is not?? Aug 18 15:28:09 * Dave compresses Carbon Aug 18 15:28:13 emotion uses xine Aug 18 15:28:24 Antontakk - SURPRISE! Aug 18 15:28:28 AntonTakk, MPlayer has no UI ? Aug 18 15:28:59 hipitihop: seems not Aug 18 15:29:05 mplayer has no gui Aug 18 15:29:11 or, there is a mplayer with gui Aug 18 15:29:15 but it sucks Aug 18 15:29:37 who needs a gui for a mediaplayer anywas Aug 18 15:29:44 s/was/ways/ Aug 18 15:29:55 s/needs/wants Aug 18 15:29:57 ACTION  Aug 18 15:30:00 zash, AntonTakk ugh... so no nice Python app as simple MP3 player ? Aug 18 15:30:23 i prefer the term "front end" Aug 18 15:30:34 Wtf is MokoEgg? Aug 18 15:30:37 I'm writing on a simple python mp3 player with gtk gui, it plays (files from a more or less hardcoded directory), but doesn't do anything more yet Aug 18 15:30:43 mplayer with a onscreen(on top of media)-display would be nice Aug 18 15:30:48 since there is no hardware keyboard Aug 18 15:30:55 zash: yep! Aug 18 15:30:56 hmmhmm Aug 18 15:31:07 zash: with a gmplayer theme that shouldnt be too difficult Aug 18 15:31:36 Tanuva, screenshots anywhere Aug 18 15:32:08 hipitihop: not yet, but I could give you the code :D Aug 18 15:33:00 but shots are quite useless anyway since the gui contains one or two debug labels and non-functioning ones Aug 18 15:33:18 Tanuva, Py is on my list to learn but sigh not enough hours in the day. Aug 18 15:33:47 my progress isn't too fast since I learn python, gstreamer (:/) and gtk (not that hard, know bits of Qt) parallel Aug 18 15:33:47 Wish my sound worked :\ Aug 18 15:34:03 turn up your ears Dave Aug 18 15:34:42 dave, sorry can't hear you :P Aug 18 15:34:50 Dave: probably you don't use the correct adapter USB-10pin to 3.5mm ;-) Nah, that is GTA03 Aug 18 15:34:51 hipitihop: could construct a playlist and have mplayer play the mp3s/what ever with a pre-setup config file Aug 18 15:34:54 :( Aug 18 15:35:05 Doc, actually no Aug 18 15:35:31 I have a proprietary 2.5 adapter for my other stupid phone for which the poles happen to near perfectly align, so I get GOOD stereo sound out of it ;) Aug 18 15:35:35 already tested Aug 18 15:35:38 actually, let me try with the video not on the sd card Aug 18 15:35:45 might help tremendously Aug 18 15:35:58 what a stupid idea. I adore holes in the case, they signal easy access to high level functions to me Aug 18 15:36:00 but joerg the problem now is that I no longer have an audio device on the phone for some strange reason; what's more, changing kernel versions didn't seem to help. Aug 18 15:36:12 Joerg, yes they are! :D Aug 18 15:36:18 It needs more of them! :) Aug 18 15:36:55 Dave: maybe a "wackelkontakt" *looking up the english word* Aug 18 15:37:19 ahh a loose connection Aug 18 15:37:34 in the device? Aug 18 15:37:44 my audio lines disconnected? o_O Aug 18 15:37:46 sure, nicely placed symmetrical around the MICRO-usb left GSM, and 2mm power barel, mid usb, right 3.5mm hs and then GPS Aug 18 15:37:54 Joerg :D Aug 18 15:37:57 Dave: like the little green card that comes in the fr's box - the holes are what make it usefull :) Aug 18 15:38:00 sounds great! Aug 18 15:38:05 Where do we get one? ;) Aug 18 15:38:15 AntonTakk: hehe Aug 18 15:38:19 little green card? Aug 18 15:38:30 Dave: the one on top of the phone? Aug 18 15:38:35 AntonTakk: very good point :-D Aug 18 15:38:37 I didn't get one. Aug 18 15:38:52 AntonTakk: yep, that one's nice :) Aug 18 15:38:56 AntonTakk, btw does not need to be mp3 support either if not well supported, happy if ogg or otherwise if there is a nice player with UI Aug 18 15:38:59 Dave: i'll scan mine tonight and put it on my gallery Aug 18 15:39:53 What is it, what are you talking about!? :P Aug 18 15:40:04 a piece of paper? a card which says, Licensed Freerunner Owner? ;p Aug 18 15:40:18 haha, man, seriously, these devices SHOULD require a license to operate! :P Aug 18 15:40:35 Dave: no, it has some zen stuff on the back and on the front says something like "thank you for your efforts to free the phone" Aug 18 15:41:25 AntonTakk: probably it's about the difficulty to open the box XD Aug 18 15:41:34 haha Aug 18 15:41:44 hehe.... we don't USE the phone, we FREE it. That's what it's all about! Aug 18 15:41:44 yeah, took me like 5 minutes the first time Aug 18 15:42:03 :D Aug 18 15:42:11 Mine didn't come with a lanyard also : Aug 18 15:42:12 :\ Aug 18 15:42:23 or sound Aug 18 15:42:27 APPARENTLY :D Aug 18 15:42:29 hahaha Aug 18 15:42:36 Dave: neither did mine, i think none came with a lanyard Aug 18 15:42:46 actually no, hipitihop, it just suddenly stopped working a few days ago Aug 18 15:42:52 and hasn't come back after several attempts Aug 18 15:42:56 "a phone, a MP3-player and a computer share the house. IT's the 3.5mm hole that makes the thing usefull. So benefit comes from what's there, usefullness comes from what's NOT there" Aug 18 15:43:12 your words, Joerg? :) Aug 18 15:43:18 loTse Aug 18 15:43:19 AntonTakk, no, they did. Aug 18 15:43:23 LaoTse Aug 18 15:43:28 haha :P Aug 18 15:43:29 Dave, :-) yes I remember seeing you start bitching about it a few days back Aug 18 15:43:30 green card Aug 18 15:43:35 hipitihop :D Aug 18 15:43:38 Doc ;) Aug 18 15:43:52 what/ Aug 18 15:43:54 pissed off :-/ Aug 18 15:44:01 Yep Aug 18 15:44:04 mine came with a puch Aug 18 15:44:05 Rightfully so. Aug 18 15:44:07 Hi all. Aug 18 15:44:15 puch = pouch Aug 18 15:44:16 Mine came with an attitude. :\ Aug 18 15:44:29 Dave: go ahead, ask Sean for MORE holes in the case of GTA03!!! Aug 18 15:44:39 OKAY, I WILL! Aug 18 15:44:45 hipitihop: i was thinking the ups guy decked you when he delivered the phone for a second :) Aug 18 15:44:49 What's his email? Where do I bitch/complain/rant!? Aug 18 15:44:51 Direct my wrath! Aug 18 15:45:02 sean@om.com Aug 18 15:45:06 :D Aug 18 15:45:10 Will do :) Aug 18 15:45:19 more holds in GTA03? Aug 18 15:45:22 0.o Aug 18 15:45:24 more holes! and ffs fill some of them with buttons! Aug 18 15:45:27 heh Aug 18 15:45:33 oh yeah Aug 18 15:45:34 ... Aug 18 15:45:36 LEDs would be nice Aug 18 15:45:41 wow my spelling on laptops really suck :p Aug 18 15:45:44 Joerg, were you against the multicolor LEDs? Aug 18 15:45:44 actually had to pick it up myself, was part of a group buy Aug 18 15:45:47 Flinx: HOLES Aug 18 15:45:49 you thought it'd be too difficult? Aug 18 15:45:49 Dave.. the Aux button has a led Aug 18 15:45:53 it sucks Aug 18 15:45:59 oh, yeah, like the tiny leds on the top of an htc device that indicate general status Aug 18 15:46:04 and yes, it has a SINGLE LED Aug 18 15:46:11 definitely not as cool/useful Aug 18 15:46:19 DocScrutinizer: yes, I know, I'm not used to typing on a laptop Aug 18 15:46:28 having no input is very trying and difficult. Aug 18 15:46:30 erm///. Aug 18 15:46:44 moo Aug 18 15:46:44 use the CAD files to figure out where you could solder your own? Aug 18 15:46:53 AntonTakk, how did your video test go Aug 18 15:47:14 and no output makes it even worse Aug 18 15:47:21 :p Aug 18 15:47:27 Anyways.. Aug 18 15:47:45 I've decided to stop being a leech. So i want to return fire with input of my own ;) Aug 18 15:47:49 Dave: nah, I love multicolor LEDs Aug 18 15:47:56 Joerg :D Aug 18 15:48:09 2 Questions.. -- 1: How do I start learning to debug/add support for more SIMs Aug 18 15:48:13 the true 3-color ones Aug 18 15:48:17 ooh Aug 18 15:48:17 Should I be bitching to Sean about those too, for the Gta03? :D Aug 18 15:48:20 Yeah! Aug 18 15:48:22 :)) Aug 18 15:48:25 did you know how can change background-image on zhone? Aug 18 15:48:26 2: is Python on ARM different than Python for X86? Aug 18 15:48:34 flinx, no Aug 18 15:48:40 Dave: go ahead! Aug 18 15:48:43 Yay! Aug 18 15:48:44 :) Aug 18 15:48:49 hipitihop: DISPLAY=:0.0 mplayer -vfm ffmpeg -lavdopts lowres=1 file.mpeg - video is pretty blocky, but smooth Aug 18 15:49:02 * Dave starts writing productive and helpful hatemail. Aug 18 15:49:04 So I can learn python on my x86 and it will port to ARM? Aug 18 15:49:12 nothing to port Aug 18 15:49:16 just run it on the phone :D Aug 18 15:49:22 ahh Aug 18 15:49:24 Flinx: interpreted landuage :) Aug 18 15:49:24 cool Aug 18 15:49:28 Since it's an interpreted language Aug 18 15:49:31 right... right.... Aug 18 15:49:31 yep :) Aug 18 15:49:34 like pearl Aug 18 15:49:36 didn't think about it that way... Aug 18 15:49:40 :) Aug 18 15:49:43 it just -runs- Aug 18 15:49:43 whee Aug 18 15:49:45 I just need to learn Python now :P Aug 18 15:49:47 Dave: it's utterly nonsense to have a monocolor LED where you can place a 3color Aug 18 15:49:53 AntonTakk, I thought it had a VM Aug 18 15:49:55 I AGREE! Aug 18 15:50:06 So... .... hints on where to make SIMs work out of box? Aug 18 15:50:13 Doc, right, and I wanted to flash the AUX led or something useful to denote receiving a message or something Aug 18 15:50:21 hipitihop: ...VIRTUAL MACHINE? Aug 18 15:50:26 but it's only red and now they use it for power/charging, so... useless :( Aug 18 15:50:28 yes Aug 18 15:50:30 oops, caps Aug 18 15:50:34 like if I could have it flash a different color, it'd be useful Aug 18 15:50:37 it's braindamaged to use AUX to sgnal a POWER-state (charging) :-/ Aug 18 15:50:45 Yes :P Aug 18 15:50:48 AntonTakk, btw my sounds works fine so no nead to shout ;-) Aug 18 15:50:52 Who decided that!? Aug 18 15:51:11 IRC has sounds? :P Aug 18 15:51:17 dunno Aug 18 15:51:22 Oh... you mean on a client. Aug 18 15:51:25 Will? Aug 18 15:51:30 <-- using mibbit Aug 18 15:52:26 so is GTA03 even a glint in the eyes of OpenMoko? Aug 18 15:52:26 AntonTakk, so FSO has full support for Python, surely there must be a ton of players with nice UI already out there ? Aug 18 15:52:49 for signalling charge we got TWO color led behind POWER button. Quite natural to use AUX for it - no? Aug 18 15:52:50 Flinx, it is a glint. It will not be a major upgrade, some incremental improvements Aug 18 15:53:32 AntonTakk, I guess its more related to what UI toolkit is suported and in FSO case I guess that's only GTK+ ? Aug 18 15:53:53 hipitihop: efl too Aug 18 15:53:57 and i think qt Aug 18 15:54:15 Hey = Aug 18 15:54:16 =) Aug 18 15:54:28 Wich music format does the media player like? Aug 18 15:54:45 qt of course, efl ? is there an python interface to that too ? and used elsewhere other then OM ? Aug 18 15:54:53 * DocScrutinizer is pissed again, stops bitching as it's doing no good... Aug 18 15:55:19 hipitihop: yeah, the python interfaces were in enlightenment cvs last I looked Aug 18 15:56:20 hipitihop: if we had xinelib on fso we could easily make a media player with a nice ui Aug 18 15:56:47 * hipitihop looks up what xinelib is Aug 18 15:56:52 Dave: but you *should* actually go ahead tell "design-dept" about your preferences regarding connectors and LEDs and dunno what else. Otherwise they have no idea about real world when designing new devices Aug 18 15:56:58 hipitihop: saw a dvd player in like 20 lines of code (iirc) using emotion Aug 18 15:57:08 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bluetooth_powered_Multi-SIM_support -- this would be SOOO COOL! Aug 18 15:57:25 AntonTakk: no we wont Aug 18 15:57:25 hipitihop: it's another media player Aug 18 15:57:35 you wont get any decent fps Aug 18 15:57:40 Flinx, also not gonna happen Aug 18 15:57:46 torindel: talking audio here Aug 18 15:57:52 oh k Aug 18 15:58:13 torindel: just using that as an example og how easily the app could be written Aug 18 15:58:33 mplayer wouldnt be so bad either, as you have to make new ui anyway Aug 18 15:58:37 Flinx, oh, I misunderstood. Might happen, but has its drawbacks. Aug 18 15:58:55 AntonTakk, I guess the same goes for VLC then. Aug 18 15:58:55 DocScrutinizer: okay, I will do that :) Aug 18 15:58:55 mjr: I know.. but it would be really cool :D Aug 18 15:59:03 torindel: yeah, we could compile emotion to use mplayer instead of/as well as xine Aug 18 15:59:07 You're right, I guess these guys aren't in touch with the real world ;) Aug 18 15:59:08 I'd be happy if i could get a working SIM :P Aug 18 15:59:21 particularly based on their decisions regarding latest designs :p Aug 18 15:59:30 * mjr misunderstood because what they're actually describing there isn't "multisim" really... Aug 18 15:59:38 torindel: that would get us most of the way, we'd just need a ui, basically Aug 18 15:59:46 hrm........ Aug 18 15:59:59 what about mpd and some neat gui? Aug 18 16:00:01 Opinion question: Should I work on Development or Documentation? Aug 18 16:00:19 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * red95f7a95893 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: Start work on SMS PDU mode Aug 18 16:00:19 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * rf07d630c76fd 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: ogsmd: Add constants describing PDU fields Aug 18 16:00:20 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * r8a6e11dd1adc 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (convert.py sms.py): ogsmd: Redo the phonenumber function Aug 18 16:00:21 AntonTakk, what is emotion ? Aug 18 16:00:21 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * r8296105f417d 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/convert.py: ogsmd: Add padding value to correctly decode alphanumeric addresses. Aug 18 16:00:24 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * rbfcd83eafb4f 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (convert.py sms.py): Aug 18 16:00:27 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Move PDU conversion functions to convert.py Aug 18 16:00:29 freesmartphone.org: Return a datetime object when parsing the time Aug 18 16:00:29 Tanuva: there is already a mpd client for efl, could just re-work the ui Aug 18 16:00:31 freesmartphone.org: Rename functions for consistency Aug 18 16:00:33 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * r0b915a6ee49a 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: Add two more test PDUs from OM bug 1728 Aug 18 16:00:36 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * rf6ed37755b92 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/convert.py: ogsmd: Fix an off-by-one bug with GSM address field parsing Aug 18 16:00:41 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * r3ecfc788e618 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: ogsmd: Add regex and consts for using SMS PDU mode Aug 18 16:00:43 hipitihop: emotion is the media handeling part of efl Aug 18 16:00:44 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * r6287748b2bce 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: Aug 18 16:00:47 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Introduce a new class PDUAddress that represents the GSM address (number) Aug 18 16:00:49 freesmartphone.org: fields and use it. Aug 18 16:00:53 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * re83ba2826eba 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/ (channel.py mediator.py): Aug 18 16:00:56 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Enable PDU mode and use it in SimRetrieveMessagebook Aug 18 16:00:58 freesmartphone.org: Note: +CSMS=1 seems to fail in PDU mode Aug 18 16:01:01 AntonTakk: where may one find it? Aug 18 16:01:10 bah, the cia spams the cannel...^^ Aug 18 16:01:16 Tanuva: enlightenment.org, may be in cvs Aug 18 16:01:23 * hipitihop so much to learn Aug 18 16:01:30 Yes! Aug 18 16:01:39 it's daniel's fault, he commits code, he should be banned ! Aug 18 16:01:46 *g* Aug 18 16:01:47 haha Aug 18 16:01:49 only rants are accepted here Aug 18 16:01:50 hipitihop: don't worry, i have been an enlightenment fan since like 1996 Aug 18 16:01:51 teh hate Aug 18 16:02:01 leroutier: No, please don't ban me :-) Aug 18 16:02:22 heh Aug 18 16:02:25 Rebasing is a little ugly.. Aug 18 16:02:29 hipitihop: and playing with e17/efl for a couple years or so now Aug 18 16:02:34 whats all that freesmartphone.org stuff? Aug 18 16:02:35 /ignore CIA-47 Aug 18 16:03:17 ooh, smspdu mode has basic support now? Aug 18 16:03:32 Flinx: API things, keyword "fso" Aug 18 16:03:35 AntonTakk: Yeah, I can read my SMS now. Aug 18 16:03:53 alphaone: sweet! <3 you man! :) Aug 18 16:03:54 AntonTakk: But it's only in the sms-pdu branch and it will not be able to send anything Aug 18 16:03:55 Tanuva: Ahh,, gotcha, I almost feel dumber by trying to read it >.< Aug 18 16:04:11 BlueRaid2: by default u-boot uses the USB console, not serial console. You can change this by setting the stdin/stdout/stderr environment variables. Aug 18 16:04:17 alphaone: i only really need it for receiving messages from nagios :) Aug 18 16:04:22 AntonTakk: :-) Thanks. PDU support is on the roadmap for MS3 Aug 18 16:04:39 Flinx, for an intro to the relevant tlas, http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ Aug 18 16:04:42 Flinx: my explanation or the commit reports? Aug 18 16:04:53 mmontour, serial console via debugboard Aug 18 16:05:03 hey alphaone :) Aug 18 16:05:04 Yeah, but you can't send messages at all at the moment because you only get all or nothing with PDU Aug 18 16:05:08 But it's getting there Aug 18 16:05:14 Hey Dave :-) Aug 18 16:05:42 Howdy Aug 18 16:05:54 I should harass you later concerning my audio issue :) Aug 18 16:05:56 hmm... did anyone try the e17 ubuntu packages on sidux/debian sid? Aug 18 16:05:57 heehee Aug 18 16:06:01 alphaone: ah, so it doesn't just use pdu mode as necesesary, you either use pdu more or not? Aug 18 16:06:45 BlueRaid2: You have to tell u-boot to use the debug-board serial as its console. By default it uses the USB console (/dev/ttyACM0 on the PC) Aug 18 16:06:46 AntonTakk: Yeah, since the goal is to just use PDU mode by default Aug 18 16:06:53 Tanuva: no, but i have been compiling rpms for fedora for quite a while now, pretty stable Aug 18 16:06:56 Dave: What audio issue? Aug 18 16:07:19 Dave: I'm currently in the process of tying up loose ends for today. Aug 18 16:07:31 You may have "Set console to serial" and "Set console to USB" menu items to do this. If not, you'll have to set the environment variables manually. Aug 18 16:07:38 mmontour, mh kay, the problem is, that i see nothing on the screen :-( Aug 18 16:07:41 So you wont be able to expect much more work from me ;-) Aug 18 16:07:51 AntonTakk: I'm wondering if the ubuntu ones are debian compatible, the stability isn't an issue yet... Aug 18 16:08:10 If the phone is plugged into your PC, try "screen /dev/ttyACM0" (or minicom, or some other terminal emulator) Aug 18 16:08:17 alphaone, aww Aug 18 16:08:36 Alphaone, well, for some reason a few days ago, my phone seems to have lost it's audio device (2007.2) Aug 18 16:08:44 and upgrade/downgrading doesn't seem to fix it for me Aug 18 16:08:47 Tanuva: there are scripts out there that pull from enlightenment cvs and builds dpkgs Aug 18 16:09:08 I think someone stole it, and is playing a big practical joke on me :D Aug 18 16:09:17 Tanuva: and i'm quite sure there are debian repos Aug 18 16:09:27 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r08b42de8ee30 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (input-helpers.c input-helpers.h input.vala): Input: Change payload of the reportheld dbus signal. refactor stuff a bit Aug 18 16:09:30 Tanuva: reading the reports themsevles ;) Aug 18 16:09:48 AntonTakk: I have some debian repo (located at vergenet) here, but it doesn't seem to contain emphasis (which is the efl mpd gui) Aug 18 16:10:02 AntonTakk: just looking around a bit more, maybe I can find sth useful :) Aug 18 16:10:25 Byebye xora Aug 18 16:10:30 Thanks for all the fish. Aug 18 16:10:41 Tanuva: have any experience with building from source? get it from cvs :) Aug 18 16:11:52 mmontour, the problem is, that i don't have a valid uboot, now i'm trying to use the debug board, but if i boot from the ram the u-boot, i don't see anything Aug 18 16:12:07 ok.. are there any official 2008.8 repos out there= Aug 18 16:12:15 Oh well, guess you are in fact busy, Alphaone :) Aug 18 16:12:15 if it doesn't require anything except configure and make I can do that... the more I see of e17 the more I want to try it... :) Aug 18 16:12:23 So... apparently there are GTA03's out there ? Aug 18 16:12:27 just thought that i'll take a look if anything has changed since launch Aug 18 16:12:37 Dave: HAven't forgotten you, just a sec Aug 18 16:12:51 Tanuva: it really is worth the effort, and as long as you have the build deps, should go ok Aug 18 16:12:51 Flinx: nobody knows exactly yet which hardware gta03 will contain :) Aug 18 16:13:03 BlueRaid2: you don't get the /dev/ttyACM0 device at all? Have you tried with the phone's USB plugged directly into the PC (not into the debug-board hub)? Aug 18 16:13:25 Tanuva: as long as they don't skimp on the rail gun ;) Aug 18 16:13:43 BlueRaid2: also, are you not able to boot from the NOR-flash copy of u-boot? Aug 18 16:14:42 Tanuva: I'm just reading the "weekly engineering news" and trying to find out where i cna be most useful. Aug 18 16:14:47 Bill_, see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#FSO_-_freesmartphone.org Aug 18 16:15:18 mmontour, no no ttyACM, and no i'm not able to boot from the nor, caus its a protoype without a flashed nor, and the bootloader in the nand can not execute the erase command Aug 18 16:15:28 that's why i have to use the debugboard Aug 18 16:15:37 Flinx: I'm not that far into the process, but documentation is always handy... maybe you can improve some wiki articles? Aug 18 16:15:43 will take a look Aug 18 16:16:07 In that case you might have to patch your u-boot to use serial-console as the default. Aug 18 16:16:28 Dave: Not sure I can help you with your audio problem. Aug 18 16:16:39 Dave: Maybe a kernel / module mismatch? Aug 18 16:18:04 mmontour, but i can't use dfu-util to... Aug 18 16:19:16 BlueRaid2: edit CONFIG_EXTRA_ENV_SETTINGS in include/configs/neo1973_gta02.h to put stdin/out/err onto "serial" instead of "usbtty", build a new binary, then load that into RAM. Haven't tried this, but it might work. Aug 18 16:19:41 mmontour, okay thanks Aug 18 16:20:14 I don't have time now, but if you don't get it working then I can take another look this evening (Canada/Pacific timezone) Aug 18 16:20:47 Tanuva: yeah I mihgt download the whole thing, just to spell check it ;) Aug 18 16:22:00 Flinx: lol Aug 18 16:22:11 happy resyncing it afterwards :P Aug 18 16:23:54 Tanuva: yeah... thats going to be bad.. Aug 18 16:23:59 i have added the script http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wireless_Networking#A_very_ugly_.2Fetc.2Finit.d.2Fwlan_startscript but i get a permssion denied when i run /etc/init.d/wlan start Aug 18 16:24:19 hossi: have you made it executable? Aug 18 16:24:57 Tanuva, don't think so, how do I do that? :) Aug 18 16:24:57 hossi: chmod +x ;) Aug 18 16:25:11 tbh: chmod +x :) Aug 18 16:25:30 well fine.. tell him the full command :p Aug 18 16:25:31 (where "tbh" is NOT a nick in this case) Aug 18 16:25:44 Flinx: just wanted to be sure :) Aug 18 16:25:53 now that would be interesting: synergy host + Freerunner Aug 18 16:25:56 Tanuva: stop digging ;) Aug 18 16:25:59 OOO OO!! I can add that to the Wiki :D Aug 18 16:26:35 * Tanuva digs the biggest hole ever seen in this channel Aug 18 16:27:09 mwaahahahaha Aug 18 16:27:16 *contributes* Aug 18 16:29:17 woo Aug 18 16:29:22 moo Aug 18 16:29:40 * Dave sends alphaone flowers Aug 18 16:29:50 pfooo Aug 18 16:30:05 * Dave shares his cookies with docscrutinizer Aug 18 16:30:14 :-) Aug 18 16:30:25 hi Aug 18 16:30:32 Dave: so it's working now? Aug 18 16:30:39 * Flinx gives brownies to jopk Aug 18 16:31:17 apt: take a cookie! Aug 18 16:31:29 apt? Aug 18 16:31:42 apt: botsnack Aug 18 16:31:44 * jopk does not know why he gets brownies Aug 18 16:31:48 Apt isn't here :p Aug 18 16:31:53 OK, who broke apt? Aug 18 16:32:17 whats the "user talk" stuff on the wiki about? Aug 18 16:33:32 if I want to connect to an open wlan should I then i wpa_supplicant remove ssid="your ssid" Aug 18 16:34:32 oooh! Aug 18 16:34:34 flite Aug 18 16:35:05 * hipitihop waves good nite to all Aug 18 16:35:12 night Aug 18 16:35:36 is there any gps app which can calculate routes? does navit work? I need it actually for bike tours. Aug 18 16:35:47 hossi: for open wlan you just make network section with key_mgmt=NONE only Aug 18 16:36:04 hossi: you can add priority or something if you have more than one section Aug 18 16:37:10 Goodnight, hippty-hop :) Aug 18 16:37:13 mmontour, doen't work... Aug 18 16:37:22 Alphaone, no, it is not. Aug 18 16:37:27 It's never working :( Aug 18 16:37:46 jopk: navit and rana can both calculate routes Aug 18 16:37:55 Dave: And it just started? Aug 18 16:38:00 After an update or what? Aug 18 16:38:31 they're still fairly basic in that regard as far as I remember Aug 18 16:38:49 Elleo: if I pre-download osm tiles with tangogps, can navit and rana use them? Aug 18 16:38:56 Alphaone, yes suddenly, without any software modifications that I am aware of. Several days ago Aug 18 16:38:57 AntonTakk: no Aug 18 16:39:02 AntonTakk: tango downloads images Aug 18 16:39:10 they both need vector data Aug 18 16:39:14 ah Aug 18 16:39:17 It was perhaps after an upgrade, which was perhaps even more than a week or so ago, that I was just unaware Aug 18 16:39:22 BlueRaid2: sorry, not sure what else to look for. Aug 18 16:39:24 you can download an osm file and convert it to navit's format for navit Aug 18 16:39:24 so i'd have to have gprs active Aug 18 16:39:28 Dave: Is alsamixer still able to find a device? Aug 18 16:39:35 because by default I have the tap and startup sound disabled so I may have not noticed. Aug 18 16:39:39 rana does everything online at themoment though Aug 18 16:39:47 mmontour, i wounder why i dont get somthink on the screen Aug 18 16:39:47 the wikipage of navit says it does not calculate routes yet. is this still correct? Aug 18 16:39:51 alsamixer still runs? Aug 18 16:40:17 does it? Aug 18 16:40:22 jopk: ah, maybe it's just rana that does routes now then Aug 18 16:40:22 Yes it runs. Aug 18 16:40:26 What is it supposed to find? Aug 18 16:40:32 Dave: Do you still have the 90+ control levers? Aug 18 16:40:33 I'd thought navit had routing now, but I haven't played with it much Aug 18 16:40:37 uhh Aug 18 16:40:49 I tend to just use tnago with the cyclemap layer and do the routing in my head ;) Aug 18 16:40:54 tango* Aug 18 16:40:55 Where would they be? Aug 18 16:41:08 Dave: You would see them :-) Aug 18 16:41:08 in alsamixer Aug 18 16:41:14 Then I don't :P Aug 18 16:41:16 :( Aug 18 16:41:26 can rana and navit store maps for use without inet? Aug 18 16:41:30 In alsamixer you would have a horde of weird named controls Aug 18 16:41:40 Dave: Okay, what does lsmod say? Aug 18 16:41:40 jopk: navit can, rana can't Aug 18 16:41:41 BlueRaid2: maybe you have a discharged battery? Aug 18 16:41:41 Well, there are several pages of mixer controls Aug 18 16:41:47 but most are empty Aug 18 16:42:04 Want me to paste lsmod | grep snd? Aug 18 16:42:06 snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753, snd_soc_wm8753 Aug 18 16:42:10 should be there Aug 18 16:42:26 yes, they are Aug 18 16:42:26 mmontour, i don't think so... Aug 18 16:42:37 mmontour, *change battery Aug 18 16:42:41 jopk: well, rana caches things Aug 18 16:42:53 jopk: so if you view the area in question when you have a net connection you'll be okay Aug 18 16:43:17 but it doesn't take a single handy map file like navit (for navit you just download the osm region you want, e.g. uk.osm and convert it to navit format) Aug 18 16:43:37 ok thx Aug 18 16:43:39 bbl Aug 18 16:43:41 Dave: Hrmm, okay Aug 18 16:43:42 you're welcome Aug 18 16:44:03 Dave: what controls does alsamixer show you? Aug 18 16:44:08 uhh Aug 18 16:44:11 but as said, I find tango with the cyclemap layer the best option for now Aug 18 16:44:15 Arrow left right lets you scroll as well Aug 18 16:44:15 I couldn't possibly list them all out :) Aug 18 16:44:30 okay, so then everything is okay :-) Aug 18 16:44:34 Alphaone, does it help you at all to know I have no /dev/audio and no /dev/dsp ? Aug 18 16:44:37 at least in that area Aug 18 16:44:43 yeah, I guess :\ Aug 18 16:45:06 Dave: Do you have /dev/snd/*? Aug 18 16:45:39 Well, I've got all these devices Aug 18 16:45:44 is there any way to lengthen battery life? I need only a gps app running. Aug 18 16:45:55 yes, there are six of them Aug 18 16:46:11 controlC*, pcmC*'s, and timer Aug 18 16:46:34 okay, that's a start :-) Aug 18 16:47:18 voice notifications from the fr :) Aug 18 16:47:43 :P Aug 18 16:47:47 Dave: does aplay work for you or not? Aug 18 16:48:12 ok Aug 18 16:48:17 give me a somewav :P Aug 18 16:48:25 well syngery + host + freerunner works half way Aug 18 16:48:36 keyboard works fine Aug 18 16:48:43 jopk: you could switch off the gsm Aug 18 16:48:44 the mouse flips out though haha Aug 18 16:48:47 Dave: heh Aug 18 16:48:53 need to copy yourself Aug 18 16:49:10 fine :P Aug 18 16:49:15 Elleo, that's all I can do? I use the 2007.2 image. Aug 18 16:49:16 ooh wait Aug 18 16:49:20 there are on it already! Aug 18 16:49:28 Dave: If not try to root@om-gta02:~# mknod /dev/dsp c 14 3 Aug 18 16:49:28 root@om-gta02:~# mknod /dev/audio c 14 4 Aug 18 16:49:28 root@om-gta02:~# mknod /dev/mixer 14 0 Aug 18 16:49:28 and see if that helps. Aug 18 16:49:38 if someone is interested I changed the uboot-bootparams to boot debian in quiet mode which makes booting a lot faster (several seconds): http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/391456/ Aug 18 16:49:43 alphaone it hangs, and I hear nothing Aug 18 16:49:49 aplay, that is Aug 18 16:49:58 Then for some reason these devices are not created.. Aug 18 16:50:07 hi guys.. what's happening? Aug 18 16:50:08 jopk: switch off wifi if it's on Aug 18 16:50:14 Dave: It hangs or it plays and you don't hear anything? Aug 18 16:50:16 Right, they're not Aug 18 16:50:29 I mean openmoko should be on sale from July, the 25th... Aug 18 16:50:29 alphaone: if something uses alsa /dev/dsp,audio,mixer isnt needed Aug 18 16:50:35 jopk: not really much else, I'm guessing you don't want it to suspend while you're using it for navigation Aug 18 16:50:56 yes Aug 18 16:50:59 and you'll need gps and the screen on Aug 18 16:51:01 alphaone: plus those are created after oss-modules are loaded Aug 18 16:51:08 okay, now what, alphaone :) Aug 18 16:51:35 you should get a good 6-10 hours of use out of it that way though Aug 18 16:51:43 Dave: do you have a stereoout.state file somewhere in /etc? Aug 18 16:51:49 torindel: Okay, thanks Aug 18 16:51:59 Dave: start with alsamixer Aug 18 16:52:09 does anyone know whether navit can render routes for bikes? Aug 18 16:52:39 or can you manually create routes for navit? Aug 18 16:52:41 jopk: I don't think so, rana has a bike mode Aug 18 16:52:49 which is fairly easy to tweak Aug 18 16:53:01 what exactly distinguishes a bike route from a car route? Aug 18 16:53:04 Dave: if you want to test with something that uses oss do modprobe snd-mixer-oss, snd-pcm-oss Aug 18 16:53:10 Dave: Maybe torindel can help you? Aug 18 16:53:13 Tanuva: no motorways fora start ;) Aug 18 16:53:14 hmm? Aug 18 16:53:21 Tanuva: quieter roads in general Aug 18 16:53:22 I'm more or less off now.. Aug 18 16:53:25 Torniel, I did those last night, they had no effect Aug 18 16:53:28 preference for cycle routes, etc. Aug 18 16:53:30 nothing was loaded as a result Aug 18 16:53:32 ah Aug 18 16:53:35 even thought they're installed! Aug 18 16:53:41 :( Aug 18 16:53:43 Dave: start with checking alsamixer Aug 18 16:53:46 ah. oh! Elleo, I thought of a motorbike :D Aug 18 16:53:50 okay, undestood Aug 18 16:53:52 ah Aug 18 16:53:54 heh Aug 18 16:53:58 Rorschach_: can you please forward that to nomeata or gismo so that it can be included in debian? Aug 18 16:53:59 torindel, checking it for what!? Aug 18 16:53:59 is there a wikipage for rana? Aug 18 16:54:06 mmontour, nothink ... :-( Aug 18 16:54:21 Dave: I suspect everything is working more or less, but the sound card isn't configured in speakerout mode Aug 18 16:54:26 Rorschach_: or at least add it to wiki please? i don't have time to look at it right now but things like that shouldn't get lost in irc traffic :) Aug 18 16:54:28 So you won't hear a thing Aug 18 16:54:33 Dave: check if you dont have something muted/0% volume that you shouldnt have Aug 18 16:54:45 tornidel, like...? Aug 18 16:54:46 :P Aug 18 16:55:02 Headphone#1 and PCM are both at max... Aug 18 16:55:15 Sidetone is at 1/3 Aug 18 16:55:22 jopk: yep, just on the osm wiki not the openmoko one ;) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Rana Aug 18 16:55:38 Mono is at 100% Mono Bypass is at 1/3 Mono Side and Mono Voice are both at 1/3 Aug 18 16:55:56 and all tha tALC Capt shit... which I don't believe is pertinent Aug 18 16:56:00 Dave: If you find a stereoout.state file issue alsactl -f restore Aug 18 16:56:11 And retry Aug 18 16:56:21 Oh and is it bad that at the very end, Speaker is at 0%? :D Aug 18 16:56:50 and Speaker Playback ZC is OFF Aug 18 17:01:41 Dave: get this: http://up.wklej.org/download.php?id=7866731eed67dc3be9693b33f50fdb48 Aug 18 17:01:53 copy it to moko Aug 18 17:02:07 alsactl -f asound restore Aug 18 17:02:11 hmm? Aug 18 17:02:13 aplay somefile Aug 18 17:02:18 okay :P Aug 18 17:03:02 if you dont have somefile just pick something thats about 10kb Aug 18 17:03:05 ;] Aug 18 17:03:58 and check if it makes any noise Aug 18 17:17:11 is there a way to hard-reset the FR? Aug 18 17:17:31 i crashed after trying to resume, and now it only shows a backtrace on the screen Aug 18 17:17:58 henkie: remove the battery Aug 18 17:18:28 hmm, nevermind, i am able to login :) Aug 18 17:18:37 through ubs Aug 18 17:18:40 usb* Aug 18 17:19:02 :) Aug 18 17:30:10 Dave: and? Aug 18 17:32:06 omg evil ninja cat stole Dave along with his audio device! ;p Aug 18 17:34:30 damnit... looks like I have to set up a nabble account >., Aug 18 17:38:00 BlueRaid2: I'd ask for help on the openmoko-kernel list (be sure to specify that it's a prototype device). Aug 18 17:38:15 AntonTakk: just installed e17 from experimental - xorg just terminates itself once I try to login. seems like I have to compile by myself Aug 18 17:45:32 i'v downloaded the dfu-util and changed the permission Aug 18 17:45:34 $ dfu-util start Aug 18 17:45:34 bash: dfu-util: command not found Aug 18 17:45:50 ./dfu-util maybe, if it isn't in your $PATH Aug 18 17:46:31 Zero_Dogg, thank you Aug 18 17:47:02 Tanuva: if you have the libs and etc installed, you should be able to just run efl based apps Aug 18 17:47:28 yeah that needs to be changed too ;) Aug 18 17:49:04 I'm pretty sure that there was a note in there tho.. Aug 18 17:49:15 AntonTakk: but I also want to take a look at dr17 itself... just tried to build it by hand and install via checkinstall, but that produces a syntax error in the control file for evas Aug 18 17:54:45 uhh.. i removed illume config widget... Aug 18 17:54:52 how can i get it back.. Aug 18 17:54:54 from config Aug 18 17:57:01 could someone please tell me where i can find the kernel for 2008.8 Aug 18 17:57:25 Tanuva: dr17? Aug 18 17:58:08 lindi-: yes. enlightenment dr17 Aug 18 17:58:19 lloyd_fedora: one sec :D Aug 18 17:58:23 Tanuva: i just built e17 Aug 18 17:58:28 Tanuva: with apt-get --build source Aug 18 17:58:34 Tanuva: but i can't get illume to compile Aug 18 17:58:52 lindi-: which repo did you get the source from? Aug 18 17:58:58 Tanuva: debian experimental Aug 18 17:59:06 Tanuva: http://rafb.net/p/OZwi8453.html is how illume fails Aug 18 17:59:23 I just had the experimental binaries here and they just crashed once I logged in (kdm) Aug 18 18:00:04 lloyd_fedora: you want Om2008.8-gta02-20080808.uImage.bin Aug 18 18:00:08 Tanuva: don't Aug 18 18:00:12 lindi-: hm, no idea. maybe we should ask raster about it tomorrow Aug 18 18:00:14 http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/ Aug 18 18:00:21 Tanuva: i always only --build source from experimental Aug 18 18:00:31 thanks Tanuva Aug 18 18:00:32 then I try that. does e17 run for you? Aug 18 18:00:33 thats for the FreeRunner :D Aug 18 18:00:40 Tanuva: haven't tried, i need illume :) Aug 18 18:00:42 i can try Aug 18 18:00:42 lloyd_fedora: that was Flinx :) Aug 18 18:01:49 :-) .. thanks Flinx Aug 18 18:01:51 Tanuva: thats my next request for the Wiki ;) -- Telling people what files they need ;) Aug 18 18:02:12 Tanuva: seems to run Aug 18 18:03:02 lloyd_fedora: I trust you figured out which one is the Filesystem? Aug 18 18:03:29 Flinx: yes Aug 18 18:03:41 Flinx: whats the difference between the Om2008.8-gta02-20080808.uImage.bin and Om2008.8.uImage.bin Aug 18 18:04:13 lindi-: apt-get --build source e17 [-t experimental] gives me "cannot find source package"... Aug 18 18:04:14 I -believe- that the one without the gta02 is for the neo1978 Aug 18 18:04:24 but I could access the binary ones Aug 18 18:04:32 so if you have a freerunner you want the -gta02-... etc file Aug 18 18:04:54 Flinx: cool .. thanks Aug 18 18:05:32 sure Aug 18 18:05:54 Tanuva: you need to add deb-src for experimental Aug 18 18:06:07 Tanuva: 'deb-src http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ experimental main' Aug 18 18:06:48 anyone? where is illume config and can i edit by hand= Aug 18 18:06:58 lindi-: ARGH! damn, I just added the deb line :D Aug 18 18:07:05 Bill_: one sec Aug 18 18:07:21 Bill_: which distro? Aug 18 18:07:37 Tanuva: do not add deb lines for experimental :) Aug 18 18:07:58 Tanuva: i always have just one deb line, i don't want to mix binary packages Aug 18 18:07:58 I installed fso on a freerunner and the icons for the calendar and the calculator are missing, I tried installing some packages but without luck, what package do I need to install? please Aug 18 18:08:14 2008.8 Aug 18 18:08:32 i kinda told illume not to have it's own config in the shelf.. bad idea :P Aug 18 18:09:19 Bill_: i believe most of illume's configurability was ripped out for 2008.8 Aug 18 18:09:25 speaking of 2008.8 there is a sql db loaded onto my sd card.. do i actually need that? Aug 18 18:09:51 uhhh Aug 18 18:09:56 but it has to be somewhere Aug 18 18:10:12 or how can i launch illume config by hand= Aug 18 18:10:47 the files are in /usr/share/enlightenment/data/config/illume but they are binary Aug 18 18:11:02 Torindel, are you around? :) Aug 18 18:11:14 yup Aug 18 18:11:15 found those Aug 18 18:11:19 It's the wrench icno Aug 18 18:11:24 whet executable is illume= Aug 18 18:11:24 DaveLab: yep Aug 18 18:11:27 wenches!? Aug 18 18:11:31 Torindel :) Aug 18 18:11:49 Bill_: illume is a module for enlightenment, not it's own binary Aug 18 18:11:51 Torindel, sorry, back now, care to finish helping me resolve me audio woes? :) Aug 18 18:11:56 uhhh Aug 18 18:12:01 What was it you wanted me to download earlier? Aug 18 18:12:31 DaveLab: http://up.wklej.org/download.php?id=7866731eed67dc3be9693b33f50fdb48 Aug 18 18:12:32 torindel, by the way, I have a /etc/asound.state and /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/stereoout.state on my phone. Aug 18 18:12:37 can anyone give me original illume configs? Aug 18 18:12:37 Would either of them be useful? Aug 18 18:12:49 do alsactl -f asound restore after you get it on moko Aug 18 18:12:56 (asound is name of that file) Aug 18 18:13:00 oh, okay Aug 18 18:13:02 then aplay somefile Aug 18 18:13:05 is the one on my phone bad? :P Aug 18 18:13:05 or i can dig them out from images too. Aug 18 18:13:14 Bill_: i would, but mine are fso, and so diferent Aug 18 18:13:28 (it can be binary trash if you dont have audio files, just dont pick too big one ~10kB should suffice) Aug 18 18:13:41 eh Aug 18 18:13:45 no no it's fine Aug 18 18:13:50 DaveLab: dunno so we temporary load the one that works for sure Aug 18 18:14:00 also, I'm sure I could always cat /dev/input/touchscreen0 > /dev/audio fgj! :D Aug 18 18:14:10 torindel :) Aug 18 18:14:21 Bill_: i believe inpacking a jffs image is one of the steps for booting from sd, or you might try a forced removal/reinstall of illume with opkg Aug 18 18:14:36 DaveLab: use aplay for now Aug 18 18:14:40 as it uses alsa Aug 18 18:14:41 yep yep :) Aug 18 18:14:45 yes hold on!:D Aug 18 18:15:19 Bill_: also possibly nuke your ~/.e directory and restart X (works on desktops, no promises thou) Aug 18 18:16:17 lol Aug 18 18:16:19 mkay Aug 18 18:16:22 let's try :P Aug 18 18:16:28 Torindel, okay I restored that asound file using alsactl, and used aplay to play a few various wav files, but nothing plays. Aug 18 18:17:03 hi all folks Aug 18 18:17:07 yo Aug 18 18:17:17 not for you DaveLab :P Aug 18 18:17:26 hi cga Aug 18 18:17:29 DaveLab: get headphones and try again Aug 18 18:17:36 okay, I have headphones! :) Aug 18 18:18:41 see you later, going for dinner. Aug 18 18:18:44 * torindel watches his gcc build Aug 18 18:18:47 Torindel, I'm playing it through headphones, but nothing is happening... Aug 18 18:19:02 :( Aug 18 18:19:38 AntonTakk: worked wonders.. thanks :P Aug 18 18:19:41 Howdy Tdobson Aug 18 18:20:09 no tool like nukeing user config in linux, it still seems :P Aug 18 18:20:15 Bill_: glad to hear it! :) Aug 18 18:20:51 Bill_: there is a non-gui binary config editor somewhere, but you still need to know what to change Aug 18 18:21:04 DaveLab: cat /proc/asound/cards Aug 18 18:21:04 it's just that i've been in kde camp since kde 0.9.. and i looked and gnome and enlighenment before that.. many things have changed since then... Aug 18 18:21:34 0 [neo1973gta02 ]: WM8753 - neo1973-gta02 Aug 18 18:21:34 neo1973-gta02 (WM8753) Aug 18 18:21:51 your on freerunner right? Aug 18 18:21:54 yep Aug 18 18:22:06 e17 is very nice, in fact when i first heard about om my first ambition was to install e17 on it :) Aug 18 18:22:13 Did I have to restart anything after fooling with the alsa stuff? Aug 18 18:22:17 s/and gnome/at gnome/ Aug 18 18:22:17 or should it have just -worked- ? Aug 18 18:22:38 just worked Aug 18 18:22:53 :\ Aug 18 18:22:57 Any other thoughts? Aug 18 18:23:03 esp restoring mixer with that is temporary till restart Aug 18 18:23:31 w8 ill get my headphones Aug 18 18:24:23 Okay... Aug 18 18:24:28 puh, e17 has quite a lot of builddeps... Aug 18 18:24:58 Tanuva: imlib and the efl libs Aug 18 18:25:06 couple other things here and there Aug 18 18:25:29 not much, really Aug 18 18:25:48 * DaveLab vigorously shakes his freerunner Aug 18 18:25:52 WORK DAMN YOU! Aug 18 18:26:37 AntonTakk: I collected http://rafb.net/p/lHG2Y113.html for now Aug 18 18:27:51 Does python have pragmas? Aug 18 18:28:17 pragmas are c++ preprocessor stuff, aren't they? Aug 18 18:28:32 Tanuva: what is that for? Aug 18 18:28:51 AntonTakk: according to apt, e17 and its dependencies need all that Aug 18 18:29:34 Tanuva, not necessarily Aug 18 18:29:39 usually yes :D Aug 18 18:29:54 but perl has some stuff like that too :] Aug 18 18:30:07 ah Aug 18 18:30:31 I can send it preprocessing directives which control how it will run or be executed, etc Aug 18 18:30:47 * DaveLab offers torindel his headphones Aug 18 18:31:21 Tanuva: then apt or debian is complicating things: http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/E17_User_Guide/Installing_Using_CVS Aug 18 18:31:38 AntonTakk: didn't they use svn? Aug 18 18:31:49 heh Aug 18 18:31:59 lindi-: recently switched to svn, that article is older Aug 18 18:32:28 lindi-: linked it to show the dependancies anyways Aug 18 18:32:51 AntonTakk: okay, then I can skip some of them... Aug 18 18:33:24 yeah, base e17 requires very little outside of efl Aug 18 18:34:03 it's when you start building things like emotion where you can pull in xine, gstreamer, and mplayer all in one go Aug 18 18:34:14 depending on the options you use Aug 18 18:34:40 \o/ Aug 18 18:38:13 Does python have a sizeof function? Aug 18 18:38:54 what the are you doing there? :D Aug 18 18:38:55 DaveLab: qualify that? Aug 18 18:38:55 * torindel is back Aug 18 18:39:09 do you want to know the memory usage of a python var, or the memory usage of a python type? Aug 18 18:39:34 DaveLab: i asume you tryied disconnecting battery/charger and waiting for minute or so? Aug 18 18:40:19 or even the cardinality (not memory usage in bytes) of a python data structure? i.e. len(somelist) Aug 18 18:40:21 cjb, no, the size in bytes that the 'thing' is using :) Aug 18 18:40:44 As in, I'm sending it over a stream and need to tell the recepient how many bytes I am sending :) Aug 18 18:40:52 yeah, that's not really like sizeof() Aug 18 18:40:54 torindel, yes Aug 18 18:40:59 I waited until it DIED Aug 18 18:41:03 no luck :\ Aug 18 18:41:12 cjb, in C, sure it is Aug 18 18:41:24 more or less :p Aug 18 18:41:51 blah Aug 18 18:41:52 hey guys Aug 18 18:42:07 any ppl from the openmoko.org here (not users)? Aug 18 18:42:27 (C sizeof works at the type level, not the data level. You can't get it to tell you how large an array is, you work it out by multiplying the size of the type that the array contains by the number of elements.) Aug 18 18:42:37 right right Aug 18 18:42:38 .. trying to figure out how to get that out of Python, if you can Aug 18 18:42:50 AntonTakk: hmm... dpkg-buildpackage says I may ignore further deps by passing -d to it - any idea how to do that? -d to apt means "download only" >.< [feeling bit dumb atm] Aug 18 18:42:55 very true; only if TYPE is defined :) Aug 18 18:42:59 I read in some files Aug 18 18:43:04 DaveLab: is the "thing" a string? Aug 18 18:43:06 doesn't it return how large it the thing is? :P Aug 18 18:43:13 sure, it's binary data Aug 18 18:43:19 so can I use len(string)? :P Aug 18 18:43:22 yes Aug 18 18:43:28 modulo utf8 concerns Aug 18 18:43:36 will it read up to and including EOF? Aug 18 18:43:44 dunno, you'd better test Aug 18 18:43:48 DaveLab: string.__len__() does the job, too Aug 18 18:43:49 hmm okay Aug 18 18:43:57 Tanuva: gah? Aug 18 18:44:07 DaveLab: (if you're still in python) Aug 18 18:44:10 >>> a = "hello" Aug 18 18:44:10 >>> len(a) Aug 18 18:44:10 5 Aug 18 18:44:11 haha, yes Aug 18 18:44:17 DaveLab: pastebin your /sys/devices/platform/soc-audio/codec_reg, we might as well compare that to mine Aug 18 18:44:18 \0 Aug 18 18:44:24 torindel, sure! Aug 18 18:44:49 DaveLab: but for me it looks like you have hw problems if you tried diffrent kernels Aug 18 18:46:21 torindel: http://rafb.net/p/nKzoak46.html Aug 18 18:47:38 DaveLab: use something that let dling file Aug 18 18:47:59 DaveLab: like http://up.wklej.org/ Aug 18 18:48:51 What? Aug 18 18:49:04 eh Aug 18 18:49:07 okay Aug 18 18:49:11 ;] Aug 18 18:50:07 hmm yeah strange, rafb used to support txt dl's Aug 18 18:51:44 DaveLab: heres mine http://up.wklej.org/download.php?id=1166cfff15f5aaabfc0f3803975991ae Aug 18 18:52:33 torindel, is this okay? http://up.wklej.org/download.php?id=373f32fe149adc95e1dae88d8993a678 Aug 18 18:53:27 DaveLab: yep, you can try writing mine to your moko and see if it helps Aug 18 18:53:37 if it wont then i dunno :/ Aug 18 18:53:37 :x Aug 18 18:53:40 did you diff them? Aug 18 18:53:51 yep, they differ Aug 18 18:53:55 So? Aug 18 18:53:57 a lot? :D Aug 18 18:54:11 yep Aug 18 18:54:33 cat /sys/devices/platform/soc-audio/codec_reg >> DocScrutinizer Aug 18 18:54:49 Joerg introspection of registers might prove fruitful :D Aug 18 18:55:01 Joerg, will you scrutinize my registers? :D Aug 18 18:55:02 DaveLab: you got corectly loaded module since you have your audio device in /proc/asound/cards and you loaded my mixer settings so it should play if its not broken Aug 18 18:55:05 torindel, I'll try yours Aug 18 18:55:16 torindel, yeah :\ Aug 18 18:55:22 let's see Aug 18 18:55:32 to write you have /sys/devices/platform/soc-audio/codec_reg_write Aug 18 18:55:40 o_o Aug 18 18:55:53 i asume you can cat it there Aug 18 18:55:56 what does it take? Aug 18 18:55:58 oh Aug 18 18:56:02 and it writes to the registers? :D Aug 18 18:56:11 it should Aug 18 18:56:14 kinky Aug 18 18:56:26 it doesn't want me touching it's private parts :D Aug 18 18:56:33 *naughty* Aug 18 18:57:46 somebody know how can change wallpaper on om2008? Aug 18 18:57:55 LPOTTER Aug 18 19:00:45 what's more usable at the moment? 2008.8 or 2007.2? Aug 18 19:01:24 Definitely 2007.2 Aug 18 19:01:35 yeah thatś for sure Aug 18 19:01:37 if usable means stable and number of things actually usable Aug 18 19:01:47 s/usable/working/ Aug 18 19:01:48 :P Aug 18 19:02:10 * Tanuva is getting frustrated by checkinstall/dpkg and tends to simply make install e17 into the system >.< Aug 18 19:02:22 :) what's 2008 like? what problems should I expect to encounter.... (even if/when I ihave installed software which is recommended) Aug 18 19:02:35 2008.8 is a little bit f*cked in a few ways. But it will be improved! Because I wan´t it so badly.... Aug 18 19:02:41 * tdobson is currently sufferring from a sound outage on 2007 and can't figure it out :/ Aug 18 19:02:48 * tdobson doesn't want to flash Aug 18 19:03:20 Boh it withh improve - no doubt there :P I'm just enquiring when I should be using it atm Aug 18 19:03:36 s/Boh/Blalien/ Aug 18 19:03:56 lollersnakes Aug 18 19:04:02 s/withh/will/ Aug 18 19:04:19 s/lollersnakes/roflcoptersaurus/ Aug 18 19:04:34 is Chox still alive? Aug 18 19:04:43 hi guys Aug 18 19:04:47 llo Aug 18 19:04:49 you guys know fosdem? Aug 18 19:05:00 i kinda miss somebody correcting my spelling and grammar :) Aug 18 19:05:09 I just received my phone. So I will stick with 2007.2. Should I use ext3 for my 8gb sd card? Aug 18 19:05:10 i know about it zuzuzzzip Aug 18 19:05:10 usr/Blalien/rofllol Aug 18 19:05:16 well Aug 18 19:05:24 fuzz_78_2: i use ext2, but you can do what you want Aug 18 19:05:27 you can propose people you want to see at fosdem Aug 18 19:05:38 angelina jolie? Aug 18 19:05:41 would be cool if linuxmce could give a demo/lightning talk or something Aug 18 19:05:47 http://fosdem.org/2009/ Aug 18 19:05:48 who wants to propose me? Aug 18 19:05:49 is it mounted with no atime by default? Aug 18 19:06:04 I´m going to propose to my Neo Aug 18 19:06:16 Neo? as in freerunner? Aug 18 19:06:20 yeah Aug 18 19:06:28 yeah i was thinking that too Aug 18 19:06:37 It is one foxy lady Aug 18 19:06:40 the community's realy exploding :p Aug 18 19:06:59 With rumble and 3axis Aug 18 19:07:12 it has rumble too? :o Aug 18 19:07:15 did not know that Aug 18 19:07:26 fuzz_78_2: it's recommended to use ext2 or fat32 so as to give the memory card a longer life Aug 18 19:07:34 It has a motor for vibrations like every phone Aug 18 19:07:44 And like every woman Aug 18 19:07:51 lol Aug 18 19:08:02 you can program your own dildo settings Aug 18 19:08:16 Yeah that´s for sure Aug 18 19:08:34 10,000 internets for the first person to design a dildo program for 2008.8 Aug 18 19:08:36 great gift for your gf Aug 18 19:08:52 ok, ext2 it will be Aug 18 19:08:53 but anyone who designs a dildo program won't have a gf Aug 18 19:09:00 says who? Aug 18 19:09:04 can be fun :p Aug 18 19:09:05 sesame Aug 18 19:09:06 With a nice touchscreen interface! Aug 18 19:09:20 :) Aug 18 19:09:35 And I will be testing it on my girlfriend Aug 18 19:09:38 lol a dildo with a touch screen interface, wifi, bluetooth Aug 18 19:09:46 keeps everyone happy in the relationship Aug 18 19:09:47 lucky you :p Aug 18 19:09:49 for remote vibrations Aug 18 19:10:02 hehe Aug 18 19:10:14 pity it hasnt got a cam Aug 18 19:10:21 you can even surd the web (if it doesn't crash) whislt pleasuring your girlfriend Aug 18 19:10:36 lol Aug 18 19:11:14 o_o Aug 18 19:11:15 Well only if you put your head in her vagina, then you can surf the web. Aug 18 19:11:17 What are we talking about now? Aug 18 19:11:25 freerunner vibe? Aug 18 19:11:27 heads in vagina DAve Aug 18 19:11:29 hehe Aug 18 19:11:38 DaveLab: (20:09:42) tdobson: lol a dildo with a touch screen interface, wifi, bluetooth Aug 18 19:12:18 Why didn´t they just make this a standard. Aug 18 19:12:25 Did I win? Aug 18 19:12:31 I wrote one about three weeks ago. Aug 18 19:12:44 Can I test it then? Aug 18 19:12:48 It doesn't surt the web or anything, just lets you control the vibrator. Aug 18 19:13:08 but Aug 18 19:13:08 I'd make sure you had a phone condom ready :D Aug 18 19:13:25 can you run the vibrator program in the bakground Aug 18 19:13:26 bring it on Dave Aug 18 19:13:38 I have one, (H) a really big one Aug 18 19:13:41 zuzuzzzip, uhh Aug 18 19:13:46 tdobson: well actually you can turn it into real dildo with touchscreen, wifi and bluetooth if you connect dildo with usb cable Aug 18 19:13:46 8-) Aug 18 19:13:47 haha Aug 18 19:13:49 :P Aug 18 19:14:02 lol torindel Aug 18 19:14:03 Test it on the om devs! >:D Aug 18 19:14:21 hah Aug 18 19:14:23 torindel, that sounds rather defeating. Aug 18 19:14:37 next wishlist item is going to be: BIGGER VIBRATOR MOTOR Aug 18 19:14:39 rofl Aug 18 19:14:42 dual vibrators? Aug 18 19:14:44 DaveLab: moko controlled vibrator? -__- Aug 18 19:14:46 (20:12:35) DaveLab: I wrote one about three weeks ago. # where? src? pkg? Aug 18 19:14:48 for his AND her pleasure? Aug 18 19:14:50 *rofl* Aug 18 19:14:54 torindel: yes Aug 18 19:15:08 tdobson: it's a script, on my freerunner Aug 18 19:15:10 that's about it Aug 18 19:15:15 Why, do people actually want this? :P Aug 18 19:15:17 * tdobson is reminded of an episode of THe IT Crowd (Season2) Aug 18 19:15:38 DaveLab: it could be some epic lulz Aug 18 19:16:48 * tdobson foods Aug 18 19:17:03 bah! Aug 18 19:17:11 tdobson, fine :P Aug 18 19:17:59 gah Aug 18 19:20:22 hiss Aug 18 19:20:58 heh... Aug 18 19:21:03 I should just log out :p Aug 18 19:21:05 Any snakes here? Aug 18 19:22:11 Nope only badgers DaveLab Aug 18 19:22:11 What is the python conversion to string? Aug 18 19:22:15 :( Aug 18 19:22:22 DaveLab: str() Aug 18 19:22:55 oh, bah Aug 18 19:22:55 :P Aug 18 19:22:59 no wonder string() wasn't working :D Aug 18 19:25:58 ooh, hot Aug 18 19:26:02 ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '\xd7T\xcb\xee\x99\xc6\xb6\xd5' Aug 18 19:26:07 heehee Aug 18 19:27:36 http://www.thetoy.co.uk/features-specifications :D Aug 18 19:27:58 DaveLab: wth hare you doing Aug 18 19:28:06 :D Aug 18 19:28:14 wish I knew, ronny ;) Aug 18 19:28:16 hehe Aug 18 19:28:19 DaveLab: int is parsing only literal integers, you got binary data Aug 18 19:28:27 Clearly ;) Aug 18 19:28:29 take a look at the struct module Aug 18 19:28:33 I know, I just thought it was amusing Aug 18 19:28:39 struct module, for faking structs? :P Aug 18 19:29:02 no, but it can parse them from binary strings Aug 18 19:29:12 or I could just use unpack, or sprintf? Aug 18 19:30:07 DaveLab: unpack is from the struct module, python has no sprintf as string-formating is kind a buildin into strings Aug 18 19:30:39 "%d"%123 -> "123" Aug 18 19:30:45 is there a mediaplayer in om2008.8? Aug 18 19:30:55 ronny: ruby? Aug 18 19:31:03 zash: python Aug 18 19:31:17 (cannot seem to find it) Aug 18 19:31:21 ronny: ah, that works in ruby too Aug 18 19:31:48 very nice sprintf-implementation :D Aug 18 19:31:56 zash: i hate ruby since i tried rails Aug 18 19:32:16 *hiss* Aug 18 19:32:17 oh :( Aug 18 19:32:25 DaveLab: *elevator* Aug 18 19:32:34 ronny, okay so you're still saying I should take a look at the struct module? :P Aug 18 19:32:45 DaveLab: yeah Aug 18 19:33:06 oh hot Aug 18 19:33:10 yeha that's exactly what I want Aug 18 19:33:16 sorry, the name was a bit misleading Aug 18 19:33:51 oh snaps, calcsize?! :D Aug 18 19:34:00 yay Aug 18 19:34:35 zash: well, the first turndown was monkeypatching from some plugins breaking default behaviour, the second one is rails will only work well in the rails (and i needed to get out), the third is stupid powerless orm Aug 18 19:35:52 ronny: oh, but i find ruby a quite nice language. way better than php. Aug 18 19:35:56 not that php is very good Aug 18 19:35:57 oh, weird Aug 18 19:36:12 zash: most languages are better than php Aug 18 19:36:27 ronny: indeed Aug 18 19:36:32 casue any novice programmer can do better than a bunch of marketers Aug 18 19:36:56 I wish the docs included concise code examples :\ Aug 18 19:37:16 is the chap around who did the accel gsoc project? Aug 18 19:37:18 ronny: once one realizes that php is a ugly hack that can only be used for ugly hacks it works pretty good Aug 18 19:40:31 ronny, how do I even call unpack? Aug 18 19:42:54 DaveLab: result = struct.unpack(format, data_string) Aug 18 19:43:15 how the format-string is supposed to be build is described in the struct module Aug 18 19:43:20 mplayer gives a crappy image, should i use some voodoo options? :) Aug 18 19:43:48 uhh Aug 18 19:44:16 henkie: define crappy Aug 18 19:45:06 zash, well, the image doesnt move :) and mplayer doesnt seem to respond to -vf scale (altough the res of the file is < 480*640) Aug 18 19:45:23 and it just hung my FR Aug 18 19:45:25 rebooting Aug 18 19:45:51 it only redraws when i put the movie on pause Aug 18 19:45:54 bah, this is annoying Aug 18 19:46:11 henkie sure Aug 18 19:47:05 im trying to scp some files to the FR but they disappear .. any idea where they go ?? Aug 18 19:47:42 lloyd_fedora: ~root unless you specify dir Aug 18 19:48:34 zash: i did specify a dir .. but nuttin there .. the cmd completes successfully Aug 18 19:48:35 disappear? :D Aug 18 19:48:41 zash, good call Aug 18 19:48:55 does it show transfer progress per file? Aug 18 19:48:59 (on the sender) Aug 18 19:49:26 DaveLab: just 1 file a coule of kb .. no progress Aug 18 19:49:39 lloyd_fedora: paste the command here Aug 18 19:49:52 then it probably didn't work! Aug 18 19:49:59 lloyd_fedora: try with -v Aug 18 19:50:47 1 sec Aug 18 19:50:49 lloyd_fedora: and, as edistar said, paste the command you ran Aug 18 19:53:35 Man, I miss my polluted namespace. Aug 18 19:55:58 edistar: (scp darkstar@192.168.1.175:/home/darkstar/Downloads/Freerunner/dosfstools_2.11-r0_armv4t.ipk /home/root/dosfstools_2.11-r0_armv4t.ipk) Aug 18 19:56:48 lloyd_fedora: you run that from your neo? then either the file doesn't exist at the specified path or.. Aug 18 19:57:32 lloyd_fedora: try with more -v(erbose) Aug 18 19:57:54 lloyd_fedora: see if it says something Aug 18 19:58:01 edistar: from the neo .. the file exists .. will try -v Aug 18 19:58:33 Re :-) Aug 18 19:58:58 tried playing a 320x240 video in mplayer, brought the FR to its knees Aug 18 19:59:22 Sure, this is a bit too much... Aug 18 19:59:40 i think i got like 3-5 fps Aug 18 19:59:40 But think about this: At about 25% of the CPU power are just for pulseaudio... Aug 18 19:59:50 ah Aug 18 20:00:15 so why are we using pulseaudio, does alsa not cut it? Aug 18 20:00:22 If it just used alsa, you would have more fps I think... Aug 18 20:00:30 Don't actually know... Aug 18 20:00:55 On this device, pulseaudio is much too big.... my opinion... Aug 18 20:01:16 yeah, seems like a reasonable opinion Aug 18 20:01:30 ;-) Aug 18 20:01:49 is there a way to see CPU temp? it's running kinda warm Aug 18 20:01:55 Also, the CPU is at 50% if I play my mp3s.... this could be much better... Aug 18 20:02:06 Isn't that the battery? Aug 18 20:03:24 whee. ValueError: negative buffersize in recv Aug 18 20:04:17 jucs, yeah that's probably it. Aug 18 20:05:02 i try to run "cat /sys/bus/i2c/devices/0-0073/battemp, and it just gives me a blank line Aug 18 20:06:02 break-free: with mplayer hacks you can go up to ~8fps on 640x480 Aug 18 20:06:43 break-free: if you play 320x240 be sure to check that it changed X resolution Aug 18 20:07:12 or else it will be the same as playing 640x480 things Aug 18 20:07:56 break-free: and as for temp its probably not cpu Aug 18 20:08:34 if you got turned off wifi/gps it shouldnt get hot even on constant 100% cpu usage Aug 18 20:10:07 hey jucs :D Aug 18 20:10:35 hey ronny, why do I always get: struct.error: unpack requires a string argument of length 4 ? Aug 18 20:11:28 torindel, are you playing with mplayer? :D Aug 18 20:12:27 with framedrop i see some movement, but only around 5fps Aug 18 20:12:35 yes Aug 18 20:12:39 i do use -display :0.0 Aug 18 20:12:50 if i dont use that the image is garbled Aug 18 20:14:57 thanks zach .. edistar .. it worked Aug 18 20:15:47 \o/ Aug 18 20:16:48 * thewtex_ changes his rc.lua os.date() to os.date('%a %b %d %I:%M:%S') Aug 18 20:17:05 hiii Aug 18 20:17:06 soo funny - http://i8t.de/c6ek2n3i xD Aug 18 20:17:08 oops wrong channel Aug 18 20:17:10 hihi Aug 18 20:17:27 DaveLab: atm no Aug 18 20:17:33 btw, why does starting "screen" takes up so much time? Aug 18 20:17:40 currently compiling gentoo for moko Aug 18 20:17:50 torindel: how Aug 18 20:17:57 torindel: ??? Aug 18 20:18:44 thewtex_: when gcc/glibc emerge finishes i can send you what i managed to produce Aug 18 20:19:13 I'd like to see screens Aug 18 20:19:21 thewtex_: since saying how would take a while same with doing it ;] Aug 18 20:19:38 break-free: screens won't be really helpful... Aug 18 20:19:55 that would be like taking a screen of kde under debian and one under gentoo, you would probably see the same :) Aug 18 20:19:59 torindel: so i'm not the only one who is trying ;) Aug 18 20:20:01 true Aug 18 20:21:01 torindel: cyberrex give me a hint -- chroot? on the device? qemu? Aug 18 20:21:11 crossdev Aug 18 20:21:20 * Tanuva would like to make e17 (rather it's make process) recognize the libs in /usr/local/lib rather than in /lib... Aug 18 20:21:37 cyberrex: whats your status? ;] Aug 18 20:22:05 seems like things are really rolling with debian, fso, and asu... all three seem to be making strides Aug 18 20:22:15 thewtex_: better wait till i or someone else produces sane stage file Aug 18 20:22:32 oh I thought it said cybersex Aug 18 20:22:35 Is there a Debian specific mailing list for Openmoko? Aug 18 20:22:47 no, i think they share with FSO Aug 18 20:22:54 i think Aug 18 20:22:59 Ok, thanks. Aug 18 20:23:03 torindel: well, i tried to boot my first image yesterday but it didn't work and i was interupted and haven't triend anything else since then Aug 18 20:23:28 cyberrex: got current sane stage file? Aug 18 20:23:47 gentoo? give it to me. :D Aug 18 20:24:17 ronny Aug 18 20:24:18 torindel: i wouldn't call it sane ;) Aug 18 20:24:29 oO Aug 18 20:24:36 hey :D Aug 18 20:24:48 why do I repeatedly get struct.error: unpack requires a string argument of length 4? Aug 18 20:25:03 torindel: cyberrex awesome -- good luck :-) Aug 18 20:25:15 cyberrex: if you want i'll be building stage1 image after gcc/glibc updates (current arm with 2008.0 profile) Aug 18 20:25:21 cyberrex, du you used a howto? Or tried by yourself? Aug 18 20:25:26 s/du/do/ Aug 18 20:25:46 easy_: tried it by myself Aug 18 20:25:48 400MHz not enough for 480x640 video? Aug 18 20:26:08 ahwell :) time will tell Aug 18 20:26:08 it's rather the bus bandwith than the cpu Aug 18 20:26:09 henkie: 7MB/s bus not enough for 480x640 video Aug 18 20:26:26 then it must be zipped! Aug 18 20:26:34 henkie: 7MB/480/640/16bit = 11fps Aug 18 20:26:47 henkie: adds more cpu Aug 18 20:26:59 torindel: i wanna see what i can come up with first, but if that fails i will take you up on that offer, thx Aug 18 20:27:00 So who's investigating the video playback here then? :) Aug 18 20:27:20 :) Aug 18 20:27:54 would almost forget it is a phone :) Aug 18 20:28:26 henkie, yeah, if it worked :P Aug 18 20:28:41 one minor issue is the bigass stylus, although i like the laser pointer Aug 18 20:28:51 pfft Aug 18 20:28:55 already shot myself 4 times in the eye :) Aug 18 20:28:56 so use a palm stylus or something Aug 18 20:29:03 wow Aug 18 20:29:04 through reflexion :) Aug 18 20:29:13 i taunts me! Aug 18 20:29:42 Debian installed on the Openmoko's SD is WAY too slow Aug 18 20:29:53 hi, how can i correct switch off wlan on my fr? Aug 18 20:30:22 eh? Aug 18 20:31:29 s/SD/microSD card/ Aug 18 20:34:19 anyone knows what could cause this message: Aug 18 20:34:22 dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-Bus session: Autolaunch requested, but X11 support not compiled in. Aug 18 20:34:27 on fso image Aug 18 20:35:55 The first package I try to install: opkg install gpsd Aug 18 20:35:56 Nothing to be done Aug 18 20:35:56 An error ocurred, return value: 4. Aug 18 20:35:56 Collected errors: Aug 18 20:35:56 Cannot find package gpsd. Aug 18 20:35:56 Check the spelling or perhaps run 'opkg update' Aug 18 20:36:48 I followed the "getting started guide" - but something must be missing? Aug 18 20:37:38 fuzz, do you have internet connectivity on your device? did you first do an opkg update? Aug 18 20:37:53 DaveLab: yes and yes Aug 18 20:37:58 :| Aug 18 20:38:04 are you sure it downloaded stuff? :P Aug 18 20:38:08 heh well then Aug 18 20:38:13 install it directly Aug 18 20:38:48 opkg install http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/gpsd_2.34-r9_armv4t.ipk Aug 18 20:39:34 I'll try to update again first Aug 18 20:39:56 It writes things like: opkg update Aug 18 20:39:56 Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.gz Aug 18 20:39:56 Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.sig Aug 18 20:39:56 Signature check failed Aug 18 20:40:58 stupid pythons Aug 18 20:41:00 I also wondered why there was no packages to update - something must be wrong :) Aug 18 20:42:33 ok. I should read what it prints out: Aug 18 20:42:35 Collected errors: Aug 18 20:42:35 Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.gz, error 0 Aug 18 20:42:46 and it countinues like that Aug 18 20:42:52 ah, missing dns Aug 18 20:42:56 If it fails to download the .gz's you're fucked Aug 18 20:43:01 yeah, don't forget to set a nameserver! Aug 18 20:43:01 :D Aug 18 20:43:09 edit your /etc/resolv.conf :P Aug 18 20:43:38 thanks Aug 18 20:44:38 yep :) Aug 18 20:45:09 henkie, Tanuva, so who was trying mplayer tricks out and playing with video playback? Aug 18 20:45:16 s/playing/tinkering/ Aug 18 20:45:16 DaveLab meant: henkie, Tanuva, so who was trying mplayer tricks out and tinkering with video playback? Aug 18 20:45:21 fuck you, apt Aug 18 20:47:52 type Aug 18 20:47:56 s/type/typo Aug 18 20:59:58 holy defunct glamos radioactive man! Aug 18 21:00:38 SUNWjoejaxx: slow in what way? Aug 18 21:01:55 AntonTakk: e17 svn built but illume doesn't: http://rafb.net/p/bqm0GR13.html Aug 18 21:02:15 lindi-_: it takes 36 seconds to do an apt-get update Aug 18 21:02:17 lol Aug 18 21:02:24 Oh man, PYTHON IS SO COOL! Aug 18 21:02:29 > MemoryError Aug 18 21:02:37 SUNWjoejaxx: 36 seconds sounds quite fast :) Aug 18 21:02:54 better than a 300second opkg upgrade? :P Aug 18 21:03:04 SUNWjoejaxx: what about "apt-get update -o Acquire::PDiffs=false"? Aug 18 21:05:21 Silly question.. Aug 18 21:05:32 is there a link to the nabble forums from the wiki? Aug 18 21:05:33 that and it takes forever for zhone to come up; once zhone does come up the interface is non-responsive for a while Aug 18 21:07:24 lindi-_: without the PDiffs? i will check Aug 18 21:08:03 rawer Aug 18 21:09:08 lindi-_: but i am more concered about the interface being slow Aug 18 21:09:23 lindi-_: not donwloading the package index diffs shortens it :P Aug 18 21:11:06 grrr Aug 18 21:11:13 s/donwloading/downloading/ Aug 18 21:11:37 MEMORY ERROR Aug 18 21:12:25 DaveLab: memtest Aug 18 21:12:28 DaveLab: haha Aug 18 21:13:08 blame python Aug 18 21:13:44 I totally don't see the problem, awesome. Aug 18 21:13:48 Time for debugging, woo. Aug 18 21:13:50 DaveLab: I'll see your memory error and raise you a "FATAL ERROR: Resulting sum was 92699784395.68472, expected: 93342477789.55545" from the www.mersenne.org prime-number stress test. Aug 18 21:13:52 * DaveLab rolls his eyes Aug 18 21:14:03 mmountour :D Aug 18 21:14:04 haha Aug 18 21:14:25 it definitely can't beat the hilarity of my opkg fatal error yesterday :P Aug 18 21:14:36 something also tells me it is not worth having it installed on the open moko Aug 18 21:14:38 since Aug 18 21:14:39 Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on Aug 18 21:14:39 rootfs 462M 360M 78M 83% / Aug 18 21:14:47 is kind of ridiculous for a phone Aug 18 21:14:48 :P Aug 18 21:15:03 It's like, oh hi, we'll just upgrade your audio driver right now... OMFG WHERE'D YOUR SOUND DEVICE GO!?!?! ERROR ERROR... ABORT ABORT! EJECT... FATAL FATAL... GAMEOVER MAN, GAMEOVER! Aug 18 21:15:11 or even more suspicious, error: -3 Aug 18 21:15:20 What's that about, right? :p Aug 18 21:15:43 but yeah, I like errors like that, Mmontour, where: Aug 18 21:16:07 Error: recv expected 76213 bytes to read; received 76213 bytes. Aug 18 21:16:18 It's like if else do the same thing Aug 18 21:16:24 oy Aug 18 21:18:38 ronny, you around man? Aug 18 21:18:39 hi Aug 18 21:18:43 Hello dent :) Aug 18 21:19:04 Dent, Arthur Dent? Aug 18 21:19:24 Sargun: not really :) Aug 18 21:19:52 anyway... why I woken up from the dead was to ask: what was the name of the 2d shooter game that was by default included in, I think, 2007.2 Aug 18 21:20:12 Doom? Aug 18 21:20:19 hahaha no Aug 18 21:20:19 SUNWjoejaxx: interface is slow since it is xorg with fbdev Aug 18 21:20:23 Kobo Deluxe? Aug 18 21:20:23 wasnt it this scroller-thing.. Aug 18 21:20:27 DaveLab: ! Aug 18 21:20:30 aaa kobo deluxe, thanks :) Aug 18 21:20:39 SUNWjoejaxx: try with glamo Aug 18 21:20:45 Who what now? Aug 18 21:20:48 Tanuva, yes? Aug 18 21:20:54 SUNWjoejaxx: and, please figure out a way to measure this objectively Aug 18 21:20:56 DaveLab: kobo's right Aug 18 21:21:30 btw. when my FR is off, I press the power button, then I hear some funny noise for a sec - is that normal/expected? Aug 18 21:21:32 lindi-_: measure which? :P Aug 18 21:21:39 SUNWjoejaxx: but it's the only way to get free software phone ;) (hint, fso ships non-free ringtone :PP) Aug 18 21:21:44 dent, yes Aug 18 21:21:45 SUNWjoejaxx: measure interface speed Aug 18 21:21:47 it is normal Aug 18 21:21:48 ok :) Aug 18 21:22:02 lindi-_: i was comparing this to qtopia and 2007.2/2008.8 Aug 18 21:22:17 SUNWjoejaxx: yes yes but can i measure this somehow automatically? Aug 18 21:22:53 woo Aug 18 21:22:59 meanwhile, back in python land Aug 18 21:23:14 lindi-: sure Aug 18 21:23:34 lindi-: in the others when clicking on a interface button things happen :P Aug 18 21:23:56 SUNWjoejaxx: since i'd like to see comparison between xorg fbdev, xfbdev and kdrive-xglamo Aug 18 21:24:06 SUNWjoejaxx: in both landscape and portrait mode Aug 18 21:24:49 hm, strange thing... I powered on the FR, connected to USB and on the host I see: usb 6-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71 Aug 18 21:25:02 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/ Where are the last 5 days? Aug 18 21:25:04 I saw this before, then it mysteriously disappeared and usb worked ok Aug 18 21:25:33 grr Aug 18 21:25:35 stupid time :D Aug 18 21:25:51 Where's the wiki entry on setting TZ? Aug 18 21:25:56 or the ntp solution Aug 18 21:26:21 DaveLab: http://hackepedia.org/?title=Neo_freerunner#Adjusting_the_time worked for me Aug 18 21:27:39 If I'm writing an application in Python, what is the best way to go about it: Aug 18 21:27:42 -GTK Aug 18 21:27:46 -Framebuffer Aug 18 21:27:47 -PyQT Aug 18 21:28:25 eh Aug 18 21:28:35 Sargun :) Aug 18 21:28:43 PyQt, of coruse :) Aug 18 21:28:43 We're in a similar boat :) Aug 18 21:28:44 DaveLab, :-) Aug 18 21:28:50 DaveLab: kinda busy with hacking on vellum, some vala widget and some python stuff Aug 18 21:28:53 s/coruse/course Aug 18 21:29:01 Don't listen to leinir, she's a traitor :P Aug 18 21:29:10 ronny, okay okay :P Aug 18 21:29:13 It, thankyouverymuch ;) Aug 18 21:29:22 o.O Aug 18 21:29:50 * leinir points to chest "no boobies!" ;) Aug 18 21:30:08 I heard boobies? Aug 18 21:30:10 WHERE? Aug 18 21:30:45 zash: Somewhere that isn't on my chest is where ;) Aug 18 21:31:05 hi guys. i haven't been able to make calls for a day or so under asu, I'm getting "not registered" which is odd, because it worked for a while. anything I can look at for troubleshooting? Aug 18 21:31:06 ok, check Aug 18 21:33:34 does anyone know if uboot can pass commandline parameters to the kernel? Aug 18 21:33:59 cyberrex: yes, through the "bootargs" variable Aug 18 21:34:23 mmontour: ahh ... thank you Aug 18 21:35:14 is there a uboot entry by default in the freerunner for booting from SD Aug 18 21:35:49 lloyd_fedora: yes, i'm looking at it right now Aug 18 21:36:25 cyberrex: good .. i thought i fcked somethin up Aug 18 21:36:25 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/ What has happened to the last 5 days worth of images? Aug 18 21:38:27 oh and whoever, that hackepedia time thing did nothing Aug 18 21:38:31 the ntp is borked Aug 18 21:39:54 strange, worked for me Aug 18 21:40:02 Six, as there were only updates for qtopia on the 13th of August... Aug 18 21:40:03 It still shows me as being UTC Aug 18 21:40:09 or GMT, blah Aug 18 21:40:15 weird Aug 18 21:40:26 oh Aug 18 21:40:28 okay, I see Aug 18 21:40:36 so now the X time on the display shows the correct time Aug 18 21:40:37 DaveLab: I had to restart X or even the whole phone Aug 18 21:40:41 but `date` is incorrect Aug 18 21:40:46 yashy, yeah I just noticed that ;) Aug 18 21:40:56 but date still outputs in UTC Aug 18 21:40:59 not intuitive, but it works Aug 18 21:41:00 I guess this doesn't address that :) Aug 18 21:41:03 yeah Aug 18 21:41:11 restart X and/or the phone, it'll show up in your TZ Aug 18 21:41:11 whee Aug 18 21:41:15 okay :P Aug 18 21:41:25 hwclock --systohc Aug 18 21:41:27 woo Aug 18 21:41:32 reboot Aug 18 22:27:29 is anyone likely to complain if i just dive in and put my guide to compiling OM from scratch into the OpenEmbedded page of the Wiki? Aug 18 22:28:37 Weiss, THat sounds interesting - how does it differ from MokoMakefile (which is the *only* way I've ever gotten things to build)? Aug 18 22:30:25 KenYoung: you set up OE manually, and manually run bitbake to get your image Aug 18 22:31:22 http://openmoko.com/opportunities.html << anyone know if that Openmoko casing is a real product lol i wish it was Aug 18 22:31:33 protective casing* Aug 18 22:32:10 what's your thought on the new android screenshots ? Aug 18 22:33:25 KenYoung: i didn't find it too scary to be honest. i had to 'encourage' a few things to compile, but apart from that it just took a long time (12.5 hrs ish on my 2.13Ghz single-core laptop) Aug 18 22:38:09 http://openmoko.com/opportunities-universities-update.html Aug 18 22:39:58 pretty cool Aug 18 22:40:05 yeah Aug 18 22:40:32 does the freerunner do anything to indicate that it is done charging? Aug 18 22:41:03 I see that the red light under the aux button comes on sometimes, and sometimes flickers, but I'm not sure what it means Aug 18 22:41:34 I'm also wondering if it's going to know when to stop charging this 3rd party battery I have in it now (restoring from a deep discharge) Aug 18 22:44:10 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r206df24088aa 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: new efl and illume versions - internal kbd now config option. code default is Aug 18 22:44:11 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rba9d7e0753e1 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): update efl and illume to match to have default configs as test src and Aug 18 22:44:11 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rcc2a7a8b2dd6 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: update efl and illume to match to have default configs as test src and Aug 18 22:44:12 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r1ee02a49efa9 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up ot 178 of illume- fix window list issues. Aug 18 22:44:13 http://www.sureda.org/Portfolio/Electronics/OpenMoko/Accesories/NeoSkin/OpenMoko-NeoSkin-002.jpg http://www.sureda.org/Portfolio/Electronics/OpenMoko/Accesories/NeoSkin/OpenMoko-NeoSkin-005.jpg Aug 18 22:44:15 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r77254938e5c8 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): update efl and illume to have config for removed spanner , asterisk moved, Aug 18 22:44:18 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r38236d212062 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: ok. qwerty gone. Aug 18 22:44:21 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r55b6aee312c2 10/packages/efl1/ (ecore.inc ecore_cvs.bb): ecore shoudl really get xdamag/composite support... if its ever used/desired... Aug 18 22:44:24 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * re1eba9994332 10/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/ (2 files in 2 dirs): turn on composite at runtime so it can be used.. if u run a compositemanager Aug 18 22:44:33 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r293536c32b91 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): and update efl and illume to fix focus issues qith qtopia and softmenu etc. Aug 18 22:44:36 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r89fb094a4815 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: and fix up suspend on initial boot if it's slow. final change for asu release Aug 18 22:44:39 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * read38ec155f7 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: and efl up - get batget changes to handle new "strange" 'not charging' state. Aug 18 22:44:42 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * re870c78994f4 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): update illume and efl - dockwin (softmenu) works better. looks to me to have Aug 18 22:44:45 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r9a71a0934c97 10/packages/openmoko-projects/illume-theme_svn.bb: [illume] Remove the leftover from the stable release Aug 18 22:44:52 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r18078e18b060 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Xglamo with Chris Ball's xrandr patch Aug 18 22:44:55 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rcc04dbc69c9a 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia with various GSM stability fixes Aug 18 22:44:58 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rddef1b5f718f 10/packages/openmoko-projects/openmoko-community-repository.bb: [openmoko-community-repository] Modify the URL Aug 18 22:45:03 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8fb5a68f2681 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: and up illume to fix softmenu Aug 18 22:45:06 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5dfbd0cbf396 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade opkg-utils-native to get tick's Size fixes #1803 Aug 18 22:45:09 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r24a61b61c521 10/packages/efl1/ (ecore.inc ecore_cvs.bb): [ecore] Fix DEPENDS to make the build deterministic Aug 18 22:45:14 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4094dddf4d8c 10/packages/efl1/ (evas.inc evas_cvs.bb): [evas] Fix DEPENDS to make the build deterministic Aug 18 22:45:17 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5855b01be385 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for alsa-oss Aug 18 22:45:20 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r7fac7c3a6c87 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for djvulibre Aug 18 22:45:25 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r86691448e6cb 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for dotconf Aug 18 22:45:28 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rf81e1a410d05 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for espeak Aug 18 22:45:28 spamspamspamspamspamspamspamspamspamspam Aug 18 22:45:31 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r84afa13c5e21 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for flite Aug 18 22:45:34 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r15cd5711b404 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for navit Aug 18 22:45:36 _ Aug 18 22:45:37 ___ _ __ __ _ _ __ ___ | | Aug 18 22:45:37 / __| '_ \ / _` | '_ ` _ \| | Aug 18 22:45:37 \__ \ |_) | (_| | | | | | |_| Aug 18 22:45:37 |___/ .__/ \__,_|_| |_| |_(_) Aug 18 22:45:37 |_| Aug 18 22:45:39 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r256dd51c9fbc 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for portaudio Aug 18 22:45:42 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r44f34d293b1a 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for speech-dispatcher Aug 18 22:45:45 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r36707759ab18 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add libgpewidget 0.117 to the checksums Aug 18 22:45:50 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r67ad5955043f 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add KoboDeluxe to the checksums Aug 18 22:45:53 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra68a0b04e690 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add xwininfo to the checksums Aug 18 22:45:56 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd211dda116ec 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add gst-python to the checksums Aug 18 22:45:59 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rabbcb5a7108e 10/packages/openmoko-projects/illume-config_svn.bb: [illume-config] Fix a bug in illume-config when do alternative Aug 18 22:46:06 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8cc2a0555e7b 10/ (8 files in 5 dirs): Merge commit '8fb5a68f2681c2939fcea7eb0119af36ae2d8f15' of org.openmoko.asu.testing into org.openmoko.asu.stable Aug 18 22:46:09 (1 lines omitted) Aug 18 22:46:25 thats a good thing Aug 18 22:46:32 otherwise it would have gotten..spammy Aug 18 22:46:54 ;] Aug 18 22:47:06 phrozen77: o rly? ;) Aug 18 22:47:13 ya rly Aug 18 22:48:50 phrozen77: LOL haha Aug 18 22:49:18 srsly! Aug 18 22:53:27 very quiet in here this evening. what's everyone doing? Aug 18 22:53:38 sitting here Aug 18 22:53:42 i see one group as a flod and the other as informative news Aug 18 22:53:42 Weiss: just what we need, yet another page of non-executable build instructions for OE :-( Aug 18 22:54:23 rwhitby: hmm? Aug 18 22:55:14 Weiss: there are already pages on the OE site about how to build OE, and there is the MokoMakefile. Why another page, which you probably won't keep up to date and therefore will go stale like the 5 or so other similar pages on the OE and OM wikis Aug 18 22:55:38 sorry, it's a pet peeve of mine. Aug 18 22:55:46 sony ericsson -> outlook -> voodoo magic --> my data on the freerunner. it's gonna be fun Aug 18 22:55:54 rwhitby: hmm, i hadn't come across any of those.. Aug 18 22:56:08 you hadn't come across the MokoMakefile? Aug 18 22:56:22 oh, i knew about that of course Aug 18 22:56:55 nothing that explained how to get the OM OE environment and run it Aug 18 22:57:21 MokoMakefile has worked well at least since the neo1973 became available for purchase. Aug 18 22:57:33 let's see: http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Getting_Started, http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Getting_Started, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO, ... Aug 18 22:57:53 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Development_Environment Aug 18 22:58:02 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenEmbedded Aug 18 22:58:11 there's at least a couple more ... Aug 18 22:58:30 all saying the same thing, and all out of date because they are not executable Aug 18 22:59:00 a lot of stuff on the openmoko wiki is out of date Aug 18 22:59:14 I think Jay Vaughann wrote a .txt file with the same info too ... Aug 18 22:59:35 Weiss: again, sorry that you're the brunt of my rant :-) Aug 18 23:00:03 but you did ask if anyone was likely to complain ;-) and I am. Aug 18 23:00:07 :) it's ok Aug 18 23:00:48 * rwhitby heads to work Aug 18 23:01:23 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenEmbedded doesn't have *anything*, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Development_Environment doesn't talk about building images, and OE.net ones aren't specific to OM (i know the information is in there, but still), only the FSO one is vaguely useful.. Aug 18 23:05:38 anyone know if the 850s with the cap fix have hit the resellers yet? Aug 18 23:05:49 I've tried emailing koolu, and haven't gotten a reply yet Aug 18 23:06:45 cap fix? Aug 18 23:09:06 SUNWjoejaxx: the one listed here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems Aug 18 23:09:14 it's the only thing stopping me from ordering two fr's right now :o Aug 18 23:10:34 really its not the glamo's NDA'd docs or general shared bus between it and the SD card? or the buggy wlan with its closed firmware? Aug 18 23:10:35 wow Aug 18 23:10:37 that stinks Aug 18 23:11:21 whats the glamo video/sdcard bus speed at best? 7M/s? Aug 18 23:11:26 shared Aug 18 23:11:59 kd8ikt: abou tthat Aug 18 23:12:58 i keep beging the powers that be to leak all docs/knowledge Aug 18 23:14:17 whats the worse that can happen? they sue FIC? they refuse to do buisness with them again? gett a fine? Aug 18 23:14:19 NDAs typically have punitive elements in them. Aug 18 23:14:28 The NDA ninjas. Aug 18 23:15:45 but thats cool we'll have richard stallman and the rest of the gnu freedom fighters in our corner Aug 18 23:16:27 http://xkcd.com/225/ Aug 18 23:16:51 kd8ikt, whats got rms to do with itß Aug 18 23:17:31 lol SpeedEvil Aug 18 23:18:57 Howdy Aug 18 23:19:28 ok, here's the plan, one of us gets a job at a suicide hotline and convinces a caller to sign an nda to get the docs, and then post them on usenet before offing themself Aug 18 23:19:58 that's just tasteless Aug 18 23:20:01 I'll do it Aug 18 23:20:32 LINT Aug 18 23:20:40 hahahaha Aug 18 23:20:41 i'll sign it , leak it and not kill myself Aug 18 23:20:47 hey dave Aug 18 23:20:54 oh so this is what you've guys have been conspiring about in my absence? :P Aug 18 23:20:59 kd8ikt, oh, it's the nda ninjas who will kill you Aug 18 23:21:04 I hope I haven't missed the nda party :D Aug 18 23:21:05 you do know there are ways to distribute stuff without anyone knowing its source right? Aug 18 23:21:15 kd8ikt: yes Aug 18 23:21:33 kd8ikt: you get someone to rewrite 1600 pages of hideously boring docs. Aug 18 23:21:43 i'll do it Aug 18 23:22:00 you can even pay me like 50cents a day Aug 18 23:22:27 i'll pay you in saltine crackers Aug 18 23:22:36 thats fine too Aug 18 23:22:37 but not name brand, those generic store-brand ones Aug 18 23:22:40 eh yo, where's the party at? Aug 18 23:23:13 well, i'm about to head out to a linux group Aug 18 23:23:17 huh Aug 18 23:23:19 slugs Aug 18 23:23:55 i broke up with my gf yesterday, so i'm about only interested in morbid parties that involve lots of alcohol Aug 18 23:24:25 kelvie: the one I got from Koolu last week did not have the capacitor (but I was still able to get a GPS fix). Aug 18 23:24:44 cthullu? Aug 18 23:24:48 Mine has one :_P Aug 18 23:24:48 mmontour: I'm just worried about stuff like.. reading maps off of the SD while running the GPS Aug 18 23:24:53 Got it Saturday^^ Aug 18 23:24:54 morning moko'ers Aug 18 23:25:06 same with my brother (who plans on ordering one with me) Aug 18 23:25:38 I haven't done any serious testing, just pointed it out the window and waited for it to get a fix. Aug 18 23:26:00 mmontour: I've read a few posts on the ML that show that accessing the SD card while running the GPS really screws it up Aug 18 23:26:11 It has also been pointed out that the capacitor "fix" only affects the clock line, while the data lines are also possible sources of interference Aug 18 23:26:16 Actually, you should store all the things that belong to the GPS on the NAND, if you don't have that capacitor yet... Aug 18 23:27:27 Uhm.... I didn't have any problems with the capacitor, even though I store my maps on the SD card... Aug 18 23:27:28 Anyway, I heard a while ago (FWIW) that Koolu's next batch of 850s would have the capacitor fix. Dunno how many of the old ones they still have in stock. Aug 18 23:27:33 jucs: won't fit many maps on 60M of flash Aug 18 23:27:50 60MB? 256? Aug 18 23:28:02 jucs: whatever's free Aug 18 23:28:57 Well - the Map of my city is about 50MB.... even though it would be annoying, but you could copy the maps you needed from the card - after driving ~100KM... Aug 18 23:31:06 jucs :D Aug 18 23:31:18 Oh, Mmontour, my sound issue has been resolved! (for now) Aug 18 23:31:23 or alphaone :) Aug 18 23:31:23 kelvie: the other thing to keep in mind is that there was more than one software fix. Some of the posts on the ML may have only had some of the fixes. Aug 18 23:31:39 Dave: glad to hear it. Aug 18 23:31:44 oh shit Aug 18 23:31:50 New issue? Aug 18 23:31:59 mmontour: yeah I saw Aug 18 23:32:09 jucs: hehe the openstreetmaps isn't even complete in my city Aug 18 23:32:20 kelvie: there is a way to fix that. Aug 18 23:32:22 Then make it complete :-P :-P :_P Aug 18 23:32:24 oh, no, it works again! Aug 18 23:32:28 I want to help finish it as I get next week off.. so I'd like to help out there Aug 18 23:32:31 Dave: what was it? Aug 18 23:32:31 yeah that's the idea :) Aug 18 23:32:32 just it was affected by the pulseaudio gets fucked when resuming Aug 18 23:32:34 I actually already added several streets... Aug 18 23:32:43 Speedevil, who knows, we got into the registers this afternoon :( Aug 18 23:32:46 it was crazy Aug 18 23:32:51 koolu did say that there next shipment will have the fix Aug 18 23:32:54 torindel helped out a bunch :) Aug 18 23:32:59 but I wrote up a follow-up reply.. have yet to hear from them Aug 18 23:33:00 Speedevil, I blame glamo for everything :) Aug 18 23:33:05 (as per usual) Aug 18 23:33:42 The nice thing about openstreetmap is that everyone can make it better :-D Aug 18 23:40:57 what format should i download my areas map in? Aug 18 23:42:14 jucs, or worse, apparently. Aug 18 23:42:28 Misspelling street names; putting in roads that don't exist, and putting them in the wrong places. Aug 18 23:42:31 IT's wonderful@ Aug 18 23:42:37 -_-; Aug 18 23:43:26 Yes, Dave, but the quality is better than expected... Aug 18 23:43:37 Than you expected, maybe :P Aug 18 23:43:44 nah, yeah it's pretty good Aug 18 23:43:59 At least I'm usually able to locate myself on earth and not on OSM-Planet :-P Aug 18 23:44:05 but I still think there are some people who intentionally fuck it up Aug 18 23:44:12 like they name a street after themselves or some shit Aug 18 23:44:25 hah Aug 18 23:44:45 I think it's ..... very open, compared to other OSS projects... Aug 18 23:44:46 I don't know jucs... sometimes I think om users aren't on this planet :D Aug 18 23:44:52 it's like a wiki map! Aug 18 23:44:52 :-D Aug 18 23:44:55 haha :P Aug 18 23:45:17 like clearly speedevil lives on his own little world :P Aug 18 23:45:18 I mean, I really was suprised to be able to change every street :-P Aug 18 23:45:22 yeah :D Aug 18 23:45:24 do any of our gps apps do routing? Aug 18 23:45:33 navit, but it's in its early stages. Aug 18 23:45:35 After doing a 3-minutes-registration... Aug 18 23:45:38 reportedly, anyway Aug 18 23:45:42 hehe Aug 18 23:45:54 *turn left here* Aug 18 23:45:58 *drives off a cliff* Aug 18 23:46:00 Aaaaaaaaaaaah Aug 18 23:46:02 *loool* Aug 18 23:46:13 Daaaaaaamn youuuuuuuu preeeeeeaaaaaaalphaaaaa soffftwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaare *CRASH* Aug 18 23:46:20 There's also Rana, the sequel to pyroute, supposedly runs better, don't know in practice Aug 18 23:46:22 :D Aug 18 23:46:26 Anyway, tommorrow I'll travel to berlin and.... first try of OSM in "real life" :-P Aug 18 23:46:33 Cool :) Aug 18 23:46:40 I mean, before knowing where I'm actually... Aug 18 23:47:28 XD Aug 18 23:47:29 Maybe the freerunner won't work.... it's like... if you don't have a pc and internet your chance to get it is 50-50... Aug 18 23:47:34 Don't get lost, jucs :P Aug 18 23:48:07 :-) If I won't come back till thursday... you'll know I'm somewhere in berlin... crying :-D Aug 18 23:48:16 Awww :) Aug 18 23:48:23 Don't worry Aug 18 23:48:33 I'll get the proper german authorities to locate and come rescue you :D Aug 18 23:48:40 I'll send some germans from here Aug 18 23:49:04 :-D Thanks a lot... in which part of the world are you living? Aug 18 23:49:27 US :| Aug 18 23:49:33 ;-) Aug 18 23:49:37 :P Aug 18 23:49:48 Well... I'll go and get myself some sleep :-P Aug 18 23:49:55 Okay :D Aug 18 23:49:58 See you! Aug 18 23:50:00 Goodnight! Aug 18 23:50:03 :-) Aug 18 23:50:59 so what with the org.openmoko.asu.stable spam from CIA earlier, is this something to get excited about ? Aug 18 23:52:57 hipitihop: it means zecke considers the asu.testing branch to be stable enough to promote to being possibly the next stable version (or a step along the way to the next stable version) Aug 18 23:53:23 BTW, CIA messages are always much more informative than most other messages on this channel ;-) Aug 18 23:54:35 Xora, let me know if you return tonight. Aug 18 23:54:46 rwhitby, seems so, your input not withstanding :-) Aug 18 23:54:49 okay, i'm on a bus on irc on my freerunner Aug 18 23:55:27 hipitihop: I include most of my input in my statement Aug 18 23:56:47 it's not too bad either Aug 18 23:57:21 * hipitihop wonders what is indeed the correct way to shutdown FSO from the CLI. Tried 'shutdown -P now' and screen has blanked but fr is not off Aug 18 23:57:26 ieatlint, rofl Aug 18 23:57:42 hipitihop: ive wondered that too. 'halt' seems to work Aug 18 23:57:43 openmoko: 03dp 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r4735db9cfd15 10/packages/hal/hal_0.5.9.bb: hal: create volatiles *after* creating the haldaemon user Aug 18 23:57:43 openmoko: 03dp 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r1ac52e53492c 10/ (6 files in 4 dirs): [python-setuptools] import a fix from OE which means we now have Aug 18 23:57:44 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * ra35dc9af9a89 10/packages/openmoko-projects/illume-config_svn.bb: [illume-config] Fix a bug in illume-config when do alternative Aug 18 23:57:44 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r2d1aac02b6bb 10/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [linux-openmoko] Remove the evbug removal as it was removed upstream too Aug 18 23:57:47 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r57143c44cd2a 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade the linux kernel to the latest stable version Aug 18 23:57:50 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * rb86bdb48442a 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade to the latest stable kernel (hardware ecc preparations) Aug 18 23:57:50 ieatlint, try using it for several hours. Aug 18 23:57:51 hipitihop: halt worked for me every time Aug 18 23:58:00 I swear it gives you wrist injuries! Aug 18 23:58:10 at least using the stylus on that tiny-ass keyboard :P Aug 18 23:58:28 haha, maybe Aug 18 23:58:30 haha, everyone in the future is going to have thumb and repetative strain injuries Aug 18 23:58:46 ieatlint, I irssi'd from one of my the other day for a couple hours Aug 18 23:58:54 after about 2-3 hours my wrist was killing me :D Aug 18 23:59:04 I wanted to throw it against a wall. Aug 18 23:59:23 Though, yeah, it was perfectly functional, and very readable, yadda yadda :) Aug 18 23:59:32 if the regular keyboard had a return key... Aug 18 23:59:51 or a motion.. Aug 18 23:59:54 haha Aug 19 00:00:09 i wonder how long it'll take to get writing recognition going Aug 19 00:00:09 STROKE IT, BABY! Aug 19 00:00:16 it's "beginning" Aug 19 00:00:19 matchbox-stroke... Aug 19 00:00:37 writing recognition is on qtopia Aug 19 00:00:43 heh Aug 19 00:00:51 i find it annoying Aug 19 00:01:43 the dictionary completion on qtopia rules Aug 19 00:02:08 until you want to type a word it doesn't know Aug 19 00:02:33 ieatlint: try typing letter by letter ;p Aug 19 00:03:11 torindel: that doesn't really work Aug 19 00:03:17 it tries Aug 19 00:03:19 are there any figures out how many freerunners have been sold as of now? Aug 19 00:03:25 rofl Aug 19 00:03:30 it's kind of fun, almost like a game Aug 19 00:03:32 to match it in a dict Aug 19 00:03:36 the recognition that is Aug 19 00:03:38 ieatlint: it does ;] Aug 19 00:03:48 since you have to figure out how to make it appear a certain letter Aug 19 00:04:12 phrozen77: at least 7 Aug 19 00:04:31 you just have to accept (tap) after every letter so dict doesnt catch what was earlier Aug 19 00:05:02 still, no one knows how to make an I Aug 19 00:05:03 phrozen77_: make that 8 Aug 19 00:05:04 torindel: and then delete the space it adds Aug 19 00:05:10 -_- Aug 19 00:05:13 haha yeah Aug 19 00:05:14 annoying :D Aug 19 00:05:18 faster to change layouts Aug 19 00:05:20 SRSLY DAMNIT! Aug 19 00:05:27 ieatlint: i said tap not write space Aug 19 00:05:45 * torindel was playing with qtopia for only 30 mins Aug 19 00:06:01 eh, i use fso anyhow Aug 19 00:06:02 haha Aug 19 00:06:15 Dave: try short | line from up to down in lower part of line Aug 19 00:06:16 only thing Aug 19 00:06:28 ieatlint: me too currently Aug 19 00:06:36 not working is new sms notification Aug 19 00:06:45 ROFLBUGS Aug 19 00:06:58 but i'm compiling gentoo for moko atm Aug 19 00:06:59 ieatlint, any sms support at all ? Aug 19 00:07:01 ROFL Aug 19 00:07:07 hahaha megabugs Aug 19 00:07:08 :D:D:D:D Aug 19 00:07:13 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r6f0dc97e105b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade linux-openmoko to get some accelerometers changes Aug 19 00:07:14 torindel: nice Aug 19 00:07:17 HOLY FORKBOMBS BATMAN! Aug 19 00:07:18 let me Aug 19 00:07:41 know how that goes Aug 19 00:07:55 hipitihop: there is Aug 19 00:08:23 it just won't tell you when a new comes Aug 19 00:08:26 oh great Aug 19 00:08:37 openmoko-today and Xglamo just cascaded and simultaneously exploded Aug 19 00:08:37 you have to go look Aug 19 00:08:38 AWESOME Aug 19 00:08:39 ieatlint, send is ok ? Aug 19 00:08:48 yep Aug 19 00:08:55 Openmoko-today is growing steadily by 4M/min Aug 19 00:08:57 wonderful Aug 19 00:09:02 it's up to 184M Aug 19 00:09:06 go go go! Aug 19 00:09:14 ieatlint, are we talking fso-testing ? Aug 19 00:09:14 * Dave cheers as his freerunner crashes and burns Aug 19 00:09:24 it won't tell you when the message is recieved either Aug 19 00:09:34 hipitihop: post ms2 Aug 19 00:09:43 Lint, when you receive a message? Aug 19 00:10:01 ? Aug 19 00:10:14 it has no timestamps Aug 19 00:10:19 * torindel oomkills Dave Aug 19 00:10:55 hi all! where can we get Numpty physics? can it be on OM2007.2? 2008.8? Aug 19 00:12:03 ieatlint, is the sms stuff within zhone or some other app Aug 19 00:12:11 there are issues with zhone too Aug 19 00:12:24 hipitihop: in the framework Aug 19 00:12:27 is Numpty physics on a repo, or do I just grab the standard release off maemo.org ? Aug 19 00:12:48 zhone issues are separate Aug 19 00:13:15 Ecore Magic Check Failed!!! Aug 19 00:13:21 ecore_event_handler_del() Aug 19 00:13:32 dma2: channel has nothing loaded Aug 19 00:13:33 ieatlint, I see, no user ui yet Aug 19 00:13:50 well, the timestamp thing is kinda zhone Aug 19 00:14:01 but kinda not Aug 19 00:14:12 Man, what IS open on this phone!? Aug 19 00:14:16 fucking-a Aug 19 00:14:43 when an sms arrives, thh modem puts it in the tirst open slot on the sim Aug 19 00:14:50 no tim4stamp Aug 19 00:14:59 eww Aug 19 00:15:12 Infoport, some of the distros have it in their feeds or even come pre-installed. e.g. I'm using fs-testing and it has it preinstalled Aug 19 00:15:51 normally the phone ui gets a new sms signal, copies offxthe sim and puts a timestamp on it Aug 19 00:15:54 Infoport, s/fs-testing/fso-testing Aug 19 00:16:06 Fucking exquisite. Aug 19 00:16:50 so zhone doesn't support this, and until the framework emits the signal, it can't Aug 19 00:17:14 We get signal? Aug 19 00:17:19 but since zhone is like a placeholder, i doubt Aug 19 00:17:28 it ever will Aug 19 00:17:39 sounds like fail, lint :( Aug 19 00:17:54 time will fix it Aug 19 00:18:11 phone calls are more important Aug 19 00:18:35 and fso does them quite well Aug 19 00:18:42 that's about it Aug 19 00:18:46 :P Aug 19 00:19:07 I've had no trouble with the latest ASU as far as phone calls go Aug 19 00:19:16 yup Aug 19 00:19:18 hey Pyrasi :P Aug 19 00:19:22 although we need a client that has a call log Aug 19 00:19:34 hey all =) Aug 19 00:19:38 :D Aug 19 00:19:43 ieatlint, oh god yes. Aug 19 00:19:45 i don't trust asu Aug 19 00:19:48 hahaha Aug 19 00:19:50 you said it :P Aug 19 00:20:01 i trust 2008.8 less Aug 19 00:20:06 :D Aug 19 00:20:06 ieatlint....have you tried the build raster made a few days ago? Aug 19 00:20:14 HAHAHAHA oh god Aug 19 00:20:19 shr is on the horizon Aug 19 00:20:28 Lint, we should make a xahlee style graph of images Aug 19 00:20:34 like the emacs/editor graphs Aug 19 00:20:35 :P Aug 19 00:20:36 lol Aug 19 00:20:45 hahah, Usability of Openmoko Images Aug 19 00:20:49 I can see it now :P Aug 19 00:20:54 lol Aug 19 00:20:59 ASU is like a hyperbola Aug 19 00:21:00 we just need a nice ui for the Aug 19 00:21:02 http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ Check this one out if you are willing to reflash ;) Aug 19 00:21:07 framework Aug 19 00:21:08 though i wouldnt opkg upgrade Aug 19 00:21:09 yeah yeah Aug 19 00:21:19 ieatlint, yeah once THAT'S dont :) Aug 19 00:21:20 done Aug 19 00:21:29 god, my freerunner takes even longer to boot now Aug 19 00:21:39 I should time it again sometime soon. Aug 19 00:21:43 time to revert back to 2008.8 and wipe the microSD card Aug 19 00:21:50 In other news, I need to overclock it and use watercooling. Aug 19 00:21:53 the framework is complete enough to write one :p Aug 19 00:22:00 and document the whole process for all you to bask in awe. Aug 19 00:22:06 lol Aug 19 00:22:20 Pyrasi, what's sepcial about that image ? Aug 19 00:22:22 and giggle when everything goes catastrophically wrong. :P Aug 19 00:22:27 the phone technically is 500mhz i'm told Aug 19 00:22:31 es Aug 19 00:22:32 Yes Aug 19 00:22:35 That is correct Aug 19 00:22:40 ieatlint: 400? Aug 19 00:22:57 so there you go! Aug 19 00:22:57 Raster made it a few days ago off of the most current ASU dev branch at the time.....he also included some mods he made....mainly the keyboard being not crappy Aug 19 00:23:01 oh yeah, uhh Aug 19 00:23:20 torindel: ieatlint: it is downclocked to 400 as far as i recall Aug 19 00:23:21 the keyboard he put in there is a modified version of the illume one that can read from any dictionary file Aug 19 00:23:23 torindel: 500 clocked down to 400 Aug 19 00:23:23 its pretty nice Aug 19 00:23:28 ieatlint: IIRC the CPU is rated at 500, but the overall system is only rated for 400 Aug 19 00:24:04 Pyrasi, so it's an ASU derivative, quite diff from fso-testing Aug 19 00:24:09 yea Aug 19 00:24:18 mmontour: steve explained it to me at linuxworld Aug 19 00:24:37 too much to type on the neo though Aug 19 00:24:37 ieatlint: it can even be 3ghz nominal but that doesnt make diffrence if it only runs at 400mhz ;] Aug 19 00:24:38 * hipitihop scrambles to lookup that new graph of images Aug 19 00:24:42 i wish they had linux conventions around Kentucky =/ Aug 19 00:25:00 gah Aug 19 00:25:11 torindel: i never said it ran at 500 Aug 19 00:25:12 back in the bayou, eh? Aug 19 00:25:20 you make your own moonshine and shit there, pyrasi? :P Aug 19 00:25:38 ieatlint: you know you want to, though! Aug 19 00:25:49 heh....Im actually in Lexington which is a decent sized city.....but i HAVE had moonshine Aug 19 00:25:49 lol Aug 19 00:25:59 LAWL Aug 19 00:26:00 I DO brew my own beer....but not moonshine =P Aug 19 00:26:02 eh, onee can do a lot with 400 Aug 19 00:26:05 :) Aug 19 00:26:13 ieatlint, apparently not where video is concerned. Aug 19 00:26:19 Pyrasi: i think i will try out that image you were suggesting Aug 19 00:26:29 the cpu is rated, and will run at 500. The circuitry the CPU is connected to is only rated for 400MHz stable operation Aug 19 00:26:37 it's only moonshine if you sell it Aug 19 00:26:42 i like it pretty well. Like i said...dont opkg upgrade...it will downgrade it ;) Aug 19 00:26:55 * torindel wonder ir\ Aug 19 00:27:02 Dave: this is why we need better glamo support Aug 19 00:27:05 rwhitby, intriguing, give us more information :) Aug 19 00:27:14 ieatlint: or we just need to blow it up! Aug 19 00:27:22 the only reason there is a 500MHz cpu in there is cause the manufacturer didn't have an 400MHz ones left to see OM Aug 19 00:27:24 to prove it's lack of usefulness. Aug 19 00:27:27 * torindel wonder if it would be possibly to run at 500mhz and would it increase glamo bus Aug 19 00:27:28 I've been running it for a about 4 days and calls have worked fine....everything except for bluetooth being useable after a suspend...but i think that is a kernel problem Aug 19 00:27:37 rwhitby, haha :) Aug 19 00:27:37 +s Aug 19 00:27:43 oh and the sd card being mounted in the wrong place after suspend Aug 19 00:27:43 torindel: it's unrelated to glamo bus Aug 19 00:27:49 \o/ Aug 19 00:28:08 rwhitby: ;] Aug 19 00:28:12 (see the schematics for details) Aug 19 00:28:23 rwhitby, my understanding is that increasing to 500MHz would smooth out the choppiness of the video playback you get on the GTA02. Aug 19 00:28:28 Pyrasi, you talking about rasters image ? Aug 19 00:28:32 yea Aug 19 00:28:43 Dave.pants ^= 1; Aug 19 00:28:56 Dave: it wont Aug 19 00:29:02 Why not? Aug 19 00:29:04 Dave: and just where does that understanding come from, and for what values of video format? Aug 19 00:29:19 (and for what values of SD card activity as well) Aug 19 00:29:20 Dave: cause of glamo bus Aug 19 00:29:27 rwhitby, zero SD activity Aug 19 00:29:29 ieatlint, does fso-testing have any bluetooth support yet ? Aug 19 00:29:30 I think it runs at 400 to match the memory config. Aug 19 00:29:30 streaming Aug 19 00:29:32 the the glamo Aug 19 00:29:37 err .. fuck the glamo* Aug 19 00:29:43 Agreed :) Aug 19 00:29:43 too much caffeine makes me hallucinate Aug 19 00:29:47 xv Aug 19 00:29:49 lol Aug 19 00:29:53 fso has no bt gui Aug 19 00:29:58 I thought you were a virus? Aug 19 00:30:11 ieatlint: sure it does, it's called "Terminal" Aug 19 00:30:13 Was that just a hallucination too? Aug 19 00:30:14 Dave: stfu and get back to your lab Aug 19 00:30:17 prassi u have link to rasters file? Aug 19 00:30:27 http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ Aug 19 00:30:28 rwhitby: :) Aug 19 00:30:35 Dave: what lab is it .. may I ask ? Aug 19 00:30:43 spacelab Aug 19 00:30:48 The Disco Lab, baby! Aug 19 00:30:53 get your groove on! Aug 19 00:30:54 ;) Aug 19 00:31:00 no bt headaet support to my knowledge Aug 19 00:31:12 not in fso... yet Aug 19 00:32:03 Im impressed at how quickly FSO moves along....the tickets get knocked out at a pretty nice pace Aug 19 00:35:35 Yeah, it's rather disappointing. Aug 19 00:35:42 Where's the OM development? :( Aug 19 00:35:47 boohoo Aug 19 00:35:49 Oh well. Aug 19 00:36:32 * hipitihop time to get some real work done Aug 19 00:38:12 ok, i'm cya Aug 19 00:41:50 Paypal just crashed Konqeror again )-= Aug 19 00:42:04 At least it wasn't confirming the order this time. Aug 19 00:42:24 Guess I'll have to use M$ to order my phone )-= Aug 19 00:42:42 naaa Aug 19 00:42:46 does anyone know which alsa scenario is supposed to let the mic work? heh Aug 19 00:43:01 The one that works? Aug 19 00:43:23 yes, that's it. maybe the one that works will work. Aug 19 00:43:52 Better chance than the one that doesn't work. Aug 19 00:44:52 I've got VoIP calls working fine with 1-way audio :) Aug 19 00:45:02 but that's not all that useful, heh Aug 19 00:45:25 could be more useful Aug 19 00:45:28 what's the snag? Aug 19 00:46:22 i just don't seem to have the mic enabled yet Aug 19 00:46:32 (or perhaps I'm not binding to correct device) Aug 19 00:47:16 But as long as you only call women, you don't really need the mic. Aug 19 00:47:45 hehe Aug 19 00:47:53 but it's no fun if they don't hear you pant Aug 19 00:48:18 okay .. let me rephrase that "But as long as you only call "your grandma", you don't really need the mic. Aug 19 00:48:37 They never stop talking long enough to hear you anyway. Aug 19 00:57:32 Finally got my order in. Had to use M$, though )-= Aug 19 00:58:35 ewwww - MS and paypal in the same day. :( Aug 19 01:00:48 Yea. I feel so violated )-= Aug 19 01:02:43 I suppose I could have tried Safari instead. Aug 19 01:04:37 A friend at work gave me a G3 iMac last week. Aug 19 01:12:02 can u spell... nerd? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk7Gx5FC4Nc&feature=related Aug 19 01:16:16 wyze, He's the open source answer to Steve Jobs. Aug 19 01:17:00 hehe Aug 19 01:17:53 Just what we need, a Steve Jobs )-= Aug 19 01:18:12 I'm mentioning my plan to get a FreeRunner on another chan... Aug 19 01:18:23 tunys: a Free Runner? Aug 19 01:18:23 neptunepink: equipment for streaking at sporting events Aug 19 01:20:11 hahaha Aug 19 01:20:46 wyze, I don't understand why he just reads the article he found. Couldn't he have read the pop-up ads for Netflix too? Aug 19 01:21:44 i love the locations app on 2008.8 Aug 19 01:22:08 "THE GPS IS NOT ON!!!! What would you like to do? :D" - Freerunner Aug 19 01:22:22 uh oh Aug 19 01:22:28 KenYoung lol Aug 19 01:22:54 oh ok Aug 19 01:23:01 it came back on Aug 19 01:27:12 that is interesting Aug 19 01:27:20 anybody know if there are any external battery chargers that can safely be used with the FreeRunner batteries? Aug 19 01:27:30 on that raster image i can make calls Aug 19 01:28:07 eek! Aug 19 01:28:10 no Aug 19 01:28:14 i built something functional Aug 19 01:28:17 * raster runs Aug 19 01:28:21 rofl! Aug 19 01:28:33 raster: yeah i just tried calling my other phone Aug 19 01:28:37 raster: and i get voicemail ;) Aug 19 01:29:18 tomjoad440: nokia one's ? Aug 19 01:29:59 tomjoad440: check on wiki what nokia batteries are moko compatible with and get nokia charger for one of them Aug 19 01:30:04 torindel: I don't know, is that safe to use with the batteries OM sells Aug 19 01:30:14 accelerometer-question: Aug 19 01:30:35 can one of them be replaced with a digital compass? Aug 19 01:30:55 tomjoad440: they all have same voltage and very simmilar capacity to 6C (whatever 6thing) nokia battery Aug 19 01:31:07 torindel: sorry I don't know what I was doing but I completely skipped the bullet point that you can use a stand-alone charger Aug 19 01:31:54 sorry everybody for the stupid question. I'll be quiet now. Aug 19 01:33:39 tomjoad440: get one for BL-6C (nokia ngage battery) it have almost identical capacity as om battery Aug 19 01:34:00 torindel: thanks Aug 19 01:35:11 hmm Aug 19 01:35:14 that is not good Aug 19 01:35:30 the openmoko should not go into suspend if it is plugged into usb Aug 19 01:37:26 SUNWjoejaxx: so you can make calls with 2008.8? Aug 19 01:37:30 what about SMS? Aug 19 01:38:01 tunys: i can make calls with rasters image Aug 19 01:38:06 i do not know about sms yet Aug 19 01:38:15 i need to charge me blackberry so i can test it Aug 19 01:38:20 s/me/my/ Aug 19 01:38:21 SUNWjoejaxx meant: i need to charge my blackberry so i can test it Aug 19 01:38:42 http://www.gp2xstore.com/Neo_1973_Base_Phone_p/012.htm Aug 19 01:38:58 linuxxr: yeah they are still selling the 1973 Aug 19 01:39:04 why? Aug 19 01:39:12 yikes Aug 19 01:39:20 tunys: hmm? Aug 19 01:39:36 why are they still selling that thing? Aug 19 01:39:39 oh Aug 19 01:39:43 i have no idea Aug 19 01:39:58 might buy 1 just for the box:) Aug 19 01:40:01 they are even selling the 1973 HDK kit too Aug 19 01:40:36 guess its not an 850 Aug 19 01:41:08 yeah Aug 19 01:41:12 HDK? Aug 19 01:41:13 it is the 900 version Aug 19 01:41:35 why the hell a 900 Aug 19 01:42:14 torindel: comes with 2 batteries/microsd cards/usb cables/debugboard/toolbox/neo tools/the infamous Neo screwdriver Aug 19 01:42:52 i cannot believe they are selling that at original retail price Aug 19 01:42:54 lol Aug 19 01:42:57 whats in toolbox/neo tools? ;] Aug 19 01:43:10 http://www.gp2xstore.com/Neo_1973_Advanced_Phone_p/014.htm Aug 19 01:43:14 400 usd Aug 19 01:43:16 lol Aug 19 01:44:13 for an obsolete Neo Aug 19 01:44:24 has anyone seen the android ui here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GDl2r0RxpE&feature=related looks pretty neat Aug 19 01:44:54 SUNWjoejaxx: "currently unavailble" Aug 19 01:46:31 torindel: it is available Aug 19 01:46:38 hipitihop_away: that looks like something someone dreamed Aug 19 01:46:45 otherwise i have no idea why they have it for auction on ebay as well Aug 19 01:47:02 looks like fso somewhat Aug 19 01:47:05 all this can be implemented for OM using clutter or pigment Aug 19 01:48:21 tunys: let me charge my blackberry so i can test :) give me a few minutes Aug 19 01:48:35 oic Aug 19 01:48:56 hipitihop_away: http://gizmodo.com/5038586/an-in+depth-video-tour-of-android-09-an-almost-great-almost-os Aug 19 01:49:54 that is acutaly pretty interesting Aug 19 01:50:33 ui-devs: STEAL SHIT! Aug 19 01:50:49 neonode has a somewhat cool gui Aug 19 01:50:51 also Aug 19 01:51:05 neonode ? Aug 19 01:51:26 hipitihop_away: a crappy swedish company that failed Aug 19 01:51:38 but the ui on their phone is pretty cool Aug 19 01:52:15 also, s/steal shit/be inspired/ Aug 19 01:52:28 hipitihop_away: search for neonode n2 on youtube Aug 19 01:53:25 übercheap "touchscreen" that you control with swipes Aug 19 01:55:06 nice Aug 19 01:55:30 I hope to start seeing stuff like this on the fr soon Aug 19 01:56:08 i don't know if android will be a free download and become an option for the fr Aug 19 01:56:24 who cares about android? Aug 19 01:56:43 an ugly java-ish hack running on top of linu Aug 19 01:56:46 x Aug 19 01:56:59 WOOOHOO Aug 19 01:57:02 android sucks Aug 19 01:57:06 is that what it is Aug 19 01:57:20 "A New message has arrived. Do you wish to read it?" Aug 19 01:57:22 tunys: ^ Aug 19 01:57:23 hipitihop_away: pretty much Aug 19 01:57:47 i sure prefer open source but right now i know i'm missing calls with om an i have a hard time to input anything on my phone Aug 19 01:58:02 hipitihop_away: java-code with nonstandard libs converted to "dalvik" bytecode Aug 19 01:58:02 tunys: so with this image you can receive sms, i will test sending from the freerunner now Aug 19 01:58:13 eek, the dark side.. I thought Google were Pythonistas Aug 19 01:58:35 so waiting for a stable om i could settle for some stable android Aug 19 01:58:51 SUNWjoejaxx: fso m2 can Aug 19 01:59:07 (shot sms) Aug 19 01:59:11 short* Aug 19 01:59:30 short short message service? Aug 19 01:59:47 * hipitihop_away ok I'm really away now Aug 19 01:59:55 torindel: yeah but this is a 2008.8+dev image iirc Aug 19 01:59:58 zash: i mean those that are send as open text in single commang Aug 19 02:01:04 torindel: what, like *123*987654# Aug 19 02:01:11 tunys: and sms sending works! Aug 19 02:01:21 tunys: so this image is usable lol Aug 19 02:01:35 i need to test gps though Aug 19 02:02:04 i do have to say it is a bit slow launching stuff though Aug 19 02:02:33 torindel: *123# and similar is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unstructured_Supplementary_Service_Data Aug 19 02:02:59 * zash keeps forgetting that Aug 19 02:04:02 raster: nice one ;) Aug 19 02:04:14 oh Aug 19 02:04:23 time to test call suspension Aug 19 02:04:48 zash: ussd is another thing Aug 19 02:04:48 anybody had a look at android code? Aug 19 02:05:25 i'm talking about sms that come as "one unencoded packet" and are not divided throo multiple sms'es Aug 19 02:05:34 SUNWjoejaxx: it will speed up. at first boot qpe is busy spinngin using cpu Aug 19 02:05:40 torindel: as in .. standard sms-es? Aug 19 02:05:41 it shoudl be launchnig stuff in 1-2 secs mostly Aug 19 02:05:47 once it settles in Aug 19 02:06:05 zash: yep Aug 19 02:06:10 torindel: afaik, splitting sms into multiple sms-es is nonstandard Aug 19 02:06:11 raster: it has been up for about 46 minutes Aug 19 02:06:22 raster: it was fast at first Aug 19 02:06:52 zash: it is a standard but separate from orginal sms standard Aug 19 02:07:05 i want to test calling it while in suspend Aug 19 02:07:11 i am going to do that in a few Aug 19 02:07:13 torindel: so, they have standardized it? :D Aug 19 02:07:28 SUNWjoejaxx: it should be ok now then Aug 19 02:07:53 SUNWjoejaxx: you know the app has launched then the spinning anim stops or goes away Aug 19 02:08:00 the resat after that is the app itself doing stuff Aug 19 02:08:06 yeah Aug 19 02:08:08 (ie likely its window is up but not drawn) Aug 19 02:08:30 raster: for me i noticed it for the Messages launch Aug 19 02:10:29 messages is qtopia stuff Aug 19 02:10:37 when it enters qtopia land... thats where i stop Aug 19 02:10:37 :) Aug 19 02:12:21 can someone teach me how to run whatever images in qemu? Aug 19 02:12:38 raster: haha ok :) Aug 19 02:12:58 in future i will work on FSO Aug 19 02:13:00 me too Aug 19 02:13:08 as that has niceness to it Aug 19 02:13:14 wat zash said Aug 19 02:13:32 there is a wikipage on compiling the Neo emulator Aug 19 02:13:57 * zash has done make qemu with mokomakefile a bunch of times Aug 19 02:14:43 cgb Aug 19 02:15:23 SUNWjoejaxx: thanks! Aug 19 02:15:38 tunys: you are most welcome :) Aug 19 02:16:00 hi Aug 19 02:16:23 hey linuxxr ! Aug 19 02:16:25 :) Aug 19 02:16:48 messin wit irc settings Aug 19 02:17:51 ss Aug 19 02:18:21 ehm, the whatever-image-"make qemu"-gives-me wont do anything Aug 19 02:18:43 just buttons that changes bg-color onclick Aug 19 02:24:56 has anyone else successfully upgraded their uboot with these instructions? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Flashing_the_boot_loader_to_the_NAND Aug 19 02:25:25 does the wifi tutorial work? Aug 19 02:26:19 ya might need a "./" in front on some systems Aug 19 02:26:35 i have done it though Aug 19 02:28:17 anyone got usb gadget working in qemu? Aug 19 02:30:22 what's the partition scheme of om ? what file system ? Aug 19 02:30:38 xmpp: jffs2 Aug 19 02:30:52 is what it says on the end of the rootfs-files Aug 19 02:31:12 jffs2 is exactly what i thought it should use Aug 19 02:31:18 :D Aug 19 02:31:20 werid question.. is the keyboard from Nokia's OS2008 publicly availible? Aug 19 02:32:24 wth Aug 19 02:32:31 qemu makes no sence Aug 19 02:32:55 Flinx: care to find screenshoot? ;] Aug 19 02:33:08 moo? Aug 19 02:33:12 Screenshot of what? Aug 19 02:33:28 keyboard from Nokia's OS2008 Aug 19 02:33:33 Oh.. Aug 19 02:33:38 err... gimmie 5? Aug 19 02:33:39 google gives me pix of hardware-kbds Aug 19 02:33:57 I know that there isn't a nice way of taking one from my N800 Aug 19 02:34:29 Flinx: http://regmedia.co.uk/2008/03/03/n810_3_qwerty.jpg Aug 19 02:34:33 Flinx: that one? Aug 19 02:35:03 man i really need to get a debug board Aug 19 02:35:24 http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/maemofingerkeyboard.jpg Aug 19 02:35:30 blah... Aug 19 02:35:34 well thats a pic Aug 19 02:35:57 :) Aug 19 02:36:04 * SUNWjoejaxx has that on his 770 Aug 19 02:36:10 i love that keyboar Aug 19 02:36:11 d Aug 19 02:37:19 I do to Aug 19 02:37:27 I'm wondering how portable it is Aug 19 02:37:39 * torindel think he seen some nokia sources somewhere ;] Aug 19 02:37:49 including maemo etc Aug 19 02:38:00 OO!! Lemme find it :D! I'm good at finding things Aug 19 02:38:09 Flinx: a .. software keyboard. if its not portable, your'e doing it wrong :D Aug 19 02:38:43 No... I'm just doing it weird ;) Aug 19 02:38:50 if it runs on x, it shouldnt be a problem, i think Aug 19 02:39:04 and if it is, i'm going to hate whoever wrote it Aug 19 02:39:13 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_SetupKeyboard/ -- maybe? Aug 19 02:40:38 http://upir.cz/maemo/keyboards/ -- source code availible Aug 19 02:41:08 keyboard layouts Aug 19 02:41:11 it says Aug 19 02:41:12 mrg... yeah Aug 19 02:41:27 I was going to start typing that but a link overthrew my mibbit. Aug 19 02:41:54 is that close to what we need or not at all? Aug 19 02:43:21 if it's just a customized matchbox-keyboard Aug 19 02:43:29 but iduno 'bout that Aug 19 02:43:53 gps works on that image too Aug 19 02:44:08 are the dependencies for tango on 2008.8? Aug 19 02:45:19 yeah, I installed it just fine :D Aug 19 02:47:15 Flinx: | Aug 19 02:47:15 Flinx: u/ | | Aug 19 02:47:18 z/ | [ OK ] [ Cancel ] | Aug 19 02:47:21 l/ +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Aug 19 02:47:24 o/ Aug 19 02:47:27 ups Aug 19 02:47:29 lol Aug 19 02:48:09 whut Aug 19 02:49:15 * kd8ikt grabs a katana Aug 19 02:49:30 damn links Aug 19 02:49:41 ok Aug 19 02:49:43 * torindel still can correctly select url Aug 19 02:49:44 lol Aug 19 02:49:47 cant* Aug 19 02:49:51 testing suspend/incoming calls Aug 19 02:49:54 w8 till i paste it Aug 19 02:50:04 torindel: i hope you use a pastebin Aug 19 02:50:37 ok Aug 19 02:50:46 raster's OM image is crazy Aug 19 02:50:51 the phone comes out of suspend Aug 19 02:50:54 if you call it Aug 19 02:50:58 Flinx: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/source/ Aug 19 02:51:01 SUNWjoejaxx: nice Aug 19 02:51:02 tunys: ^ Aug 19 02:51:08 i intended to paste that ^ Aug 19 02:51:08 lol Aug 19 02:51:10 thats what its supposed to do SUNWjoejaxx Aug 19 02:51:18 kd8ikt: of course Aug 19 02:51:26 SUNWjoejaxx: oic Aug 19 02:51:27 but there were complaints that the phone would not Aug 19 02:51:28 and thats "crazy"? Aug 19 02:51:33 kd8ikt: sure Aug 19 02:51:36 somethings uber borked in my gpm support in links >_> Aug 19 02:51:44 only thing crazy around here is you Aug 19 02:52:02 kd8ikt: :P Aug 19 02:52:22 kd8ikt: that image also is able to receive/send calls and sms Aug 19 02:52:27 and gps works Aug 19 02:52:32 SUNWjoejaxx, Flinx: you can get there a lot of nokia source including microb etc Aug 19 02:52:37 well atleast locations knows where i am Aug 19 02:52:40 torindel: oh ok Aug 19 02:52:44 * SUNWjoejaxx looks Aug 19 02:53:01 ah Aug 19 02:53:02 kd8ikt: which is a lot better than 2008.8 Aug 19 02:53:23 I'm just wondering why OM isn't using one of those keyboards. Aug 19 02:53:28 well im sticking with 2008.8 Aug 19 02:55:16 time to sleep Aug 19 02:55:19 night all Aug 19 02:57:43 Goodnight torindel **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 19 02:59:56 2008