**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 19 02:59:56 2008 Aug 19 03:01:55 what else i have to do to tango to show my position? Aug 19 03:02:10 on 2008.8 Aug 19 03:02:27 do you have maps downloaded? Aug 19 03:03:49 yay it downloads all the way to here except it doesnt show my position Aug 19 03:04:08 it should give you Coordinates. Aug 19 03:04:47 are the dependencies included in the download ? Aug 19 03:05:00 i go outside Aug 19 03:05:03 proly it Aug 19 03:13:14 *nods* Aug 19 03:13:26 it will also take a minute or two to sync up Aug 19 03:13:30 took about 12 minuits tff Aug 19 03:13:42 12? Aug 19 03:13:47 weird Aug 19 03:14:15 maybe 10 Aug 19 03:14:24 that still seems like a long time. Aug 19 03:14:39 although mine seems to have taken a while at first. Aug 19 03:18:01 is there a way to download the Wiki to my PC? Aug 19 03:18:14 and I mean w/o resorting to something like HTTrack? Aug 19 03:22:39 lol Aug 19 03:22:54 what? Aug 19 03:22:58 :P Aug 19 03:22:59 I want to spell check it :p Aug 19 03:23:04 hi all Aug 19 03:23:06 Pyrasi: i tested that image Aug 19 03:23:08 it is great Aug 19 03:23:15 Glad you like it Aug 19 03:23:28 all props goto Raster though...im just the messenger ;) Aug 19 03:23:37 any of you use the gpe apps on fso? or at all? opinions? Aug 19 03:23:46 which image? Aug 19 03:23:59 Pyrasi: yeah raster and i were discussing it earlier Aug 19 03:24:11 AntonTakk: a custom image raster made that is 2008.8+dev Aug 19 03:24:12 raster made a build off the latest ASU tree a few days ago with a few of his changes mixed in Aug 19 03:24:43 Pyrasi: all ilume stuff, or? Aug 19 03:24:47 did he mention anything about any other changes he has made recently? Aug 19 03:25:07 yea.....he changed it to use a modified illume keyboard Aug 19 03:25:19 which is really nice Aug 19 03:25:37 Pyrasi: no he did not Aug 19 03:26:20 It works great for me....ive really only got 2 complaints.....but i think they are kernel problems Aug 19 03:26:45 (suspend makes bluetooth unuseable and makes the sd card change mounting locations) Aug 19 03:26:56 but other than that...it works great. Aug 19 03:27:12 http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ if you want to try it Aug 19 03:27:37 is it experimental and possibly dangerous? Aug 19 03:27:50 he wants it Aug 19 03:28:03 only if it's dangerous ;) Aug 19 03:29:39 Pyrasi: send/receive calls/sms works for me, and calling the phone while in suspend wakes it up Aug 19 03:29:42 it is great Aug 19 03:29:47 SUN, when you talked to Raster, did he say anything about not wanting it spread around much? cause I'll stop telling people if the site has limited bandwidth and such Aug 19 03:29:58 Flinx: it works fine for me Aug 19 03:30:08 Pyrasi: no he did not say that Aug 19 03:30:26 heh... Aug 19 03:30:56 I might be able to mirror it. I'll have to check my bandwidth though Aug 19 03:31:01 i have only told people who have asked :P which are two up until now Aug 19 03:31:16 :) Aug 19 03:32:00 lol Aug 19 03:34:50 oops...i just kill -9'd the wrong psid....hmm...hope i didnt end something important Aug 19 03:34:56 oh well Aug 19 03:35:21 a stray bullet just flew through my linux box and killed some unsuspecting process Aug 19 03:36:47 Wakeups-from-idle per second : 783.6 < from powertop on fso Aug 19 03:37:25 seems the sdio host controller is the single largest offender (about 2x the next highest source) Aug 19 03:39:05 hi all Aug 19 03:39:41 Hello mmaestri Aug 19 03:39:50 hi Aug 19 03:40:13 anything new? Aug 19 03:40:45 it's been a few hours since i've been checking the channel...:p Aug 19 03:42:12 lol Aug 19 03:42:20 lol Aug 19 03:42:22 hrm, etk and python-etk installed, but it can't initialize the ecors x engine Aug 19 03:42:32 I feel like I need soemthing to do.. Aug 19 03:45:11 which image are you using right now? Aug 19 03:45:46 fso-testing build by i forget who from 8/17 Aug 19 03:47:03 openmoko: 03roh * r4598 10/trunk/feeds/community-repository/file-index.txt: - add size in byte and md5sum to the whitelist Aug 19 03:48:44 etk test works thou Aug 19 03:49:37 AntonTakk: how do you put fso in standby? Aug 19 03:50:40 hold power for like 2 seconds and release Aug 19 03:52:35 heh, it just crashed on resume - i wouldn't recommend using it :) Aug 19 03:55:43 zedstar: helloes? Aug 19 03:58:29 AntonTakk: mine doesn't go to sleep Aug 19 03:59:09 mmaestri: yeah, that part seems a bit unreliable too - i just keep my cable with me since i work in it :) Aug 19 03:59:28 and a charged spare battery - just in case Aug 19 03:59:53 it has gyros in it, try rocking it to sleep :) Aug 19 04:01:41 tunys: funny Aug 19 04:01:42 oh neat....Raster's image even stops bringing up the on screen keyboard if you have an external bluetooth one connected Aug 19 04:01:47 =o Aug 19 04:07:35 hello all ---- new to IRC Aug 19 04:08:30 I am interested in purchasing a freerunner, I love to hack on new stuff, it looks fun. Aug 19 04:09:23 Anyone have any suggestions to where I can get one at the lowest price? Aug 19 04:10:14 ebay? Aug 19 04:10:23 HAHA yes I looked there Aug 19 04:10:33 only 1 and it is like 400 Aug 19 04:10:49 ok, so the price is basically constant Aug 19 04:11:22 I see, it is a lot to spend on a phone, would I be able to use it as my daily cell? Aug 19 04:11:23 if you don't want to pay that much, wait another moth or two for there to be several on ebay Aug 19 04:12:01 Hmmm... Aug 19 04:12:07 Thank you cjb.. I also notice there are no neo1973s on ebay Aug 19 04:12:31 mikef187_: Koolu still has some FreeRunners in stock Aug 19 04:12:47 Thank you.. They seem very popular Aug 19 04:13:00 mikef187_: i use it as my daily cell, have been with various images for a while now Aug 19 04:13:20 Is the freerunner friendly with an Ubuntu desktop Aug 19 04:13:30 I use it as my daily cell, but I also don't like cellphones very much Aug 19 04:13:31 well it's a mass storage device Aug 19 04:13:32 sure Aug 19 04:13:34 I'm typing this on my freerunner! Aug 19 04:13:40 tunys: it is? Aug 19 04:13:41 mikef187_: it mounts as like a thumbdrive Aug 19 04:13:42 mikef187_: atm i believe it hates them all equally :) Aug 19 04:13:44 isn't it? Aug 19 04:13:44 tunys: huh, I'd never noticed that Aug 19 04:13:49 oh, then I lie Aug 19 04:13:51 Pyrasl NICE! Aug 19 04:13:54 I didn't notice any mass storage Aug 19 04:13:58 just usb-serial Aug 19 04:14:02 I lie then Aug 19 04:14:03 cjb: me neither Aug 19 04:14:04 and of course usbnet Aug 19 04:14:08 you can scp things to it Aug 19 04:14:10 I don't own one, I just assumed that Aug 19 04:14:16 mikef187_: okay, forget that Aug 19 04:14:22 mikef187_: do you know how to use SSH? Aug 19 04:14:26 tunys: you can ssh & scp it Aug 19 04:14:31 Absolutly Aug 19 04:14:33 ssh yes Aug 19 04:14:34 mikef187_: then yes Aug 19 04:14:39 but no mass storage, at least yet Aug 19 04:14:41 Ive got a bluetooth keyboard connected and the screen turned sideways via gestures and connected to a wifi network and am using pidgin! Aug 19 04:14:50 mmaestri: I'm a dumbhead :P Aug 19 04:14:51 mikef187_: but after usb net config you can use gvfs or kioslaves to copy tiles to/from it via ssh Aug 19 04:14:52 I'm sold Aug 19 04:14:56 Pyras1: neat :) Aug 19 04:14:57 xD Aug 19 04:14:59 Pyras1: which bt keyboard? Aug 19 04:15:06 iGo Aug 19 04:15:14 its real nice =o Aug 19 04:15:14 mikef187_: I should collect commission for that one :D Aug 19 04:15:23 wow, looks expensive Aug 19 04:15:36 This is very interesting. What about syncing contacts or similar like traditional PDAs? Aug 19 04:15:38 $ep Aug 19 04:15:48 $30 Aug 19 04:15:55 rsync! Aug 19 04:15:56 mikef187_: don't think that's supported yet, it takes in contacts from the SIM card Aug 19 04:16:01 It's the only syncing solution you'll ever need. Aug 19 04:16:02 mikef187_: export them as vcards, then there are various methods to import, dependant on image Aug 19 04:16:06 Pyras1: $30? where from? Aug 19 04:16:12 zhone keeps saying that it has no dbus Aug 19 04:16:22 ebay Aug 19 04:16:23 mmaestri: forst boot after flash? Aug 19 04:16:27 nope Aug 19 04:16:29 =) Aug 19 04:16:34 oh, I didn't think of ebay Aug 19 04:16:35 cool Aug 19 04:16:39 hrm Aug 19 04:16:47 mmaestri: reboot anyways? ;) Aug 19 04:17:02 AntonTakk: actually, don't remember when it started Aug 19 04:17:14 Ok so it is a slightly manual syncing action. Aug 19 04:17:26 What about calendaring, does it have an app for it? Aug 19 04:17:42 i just know that right now it doesn't show a dbus connection. reboot doesn't help much. Aug 19 04:17:46 mikef187_: yes the wiki has it right - the hardware is ready, the software is not Aug 19 04:17:47 mikef187_: if you're asking these sorts of questions, it's not the phone for you. Aug 19 04:18:12 mikef187_: several callendar apps, again, dependant on image, nothing like outlook thou Aug 19 04:18:20 has anyone developed a qemu set for gta02? I would like to play with the 2008.8 software but it only works for the FR which I haven't been able to emulate in QEMU yet Aug 19 04:18:46 I don't use MS products at all. I am a Linux server engineer Aug 19 04:18:58 mikef187_: ok, then nothing like evolution ;) Aug 19 04:19:07 haha ok Aug 19 04:19:55 If you need to be convinced by people here to buy it, then you shouldn't buy it. Aug 19 04:20:08 I'm already sold Aug 19 04:20:19 I'm getting more software info on it Aug 19 04:20:25 mikef187_: it is very much not a consumer ready product Aug 19 04:20:31 At the moment, it's a small linux box, with some broken phone apps on it :/ Aug 19 04:20:34 frameworkd should be listed as a process, right? Aug 19 04:20:35 software-wise Aug 19 04:20:42 Note that little of the functionality stated above works reliably, or out of the box. Aug 19 04:20:51 I would love to hack and play with it but I would need to use it as my daily driver, and thus would need some basic functionality Aug 19 04:21:13 mikef187_: there are daily reports of people who are unable to use it as a basic phone Aug 19 04:21:40 mikef187_: ime it is usable as a daily phone with qtopia, old asu, and fso, but not all images, and there are 0 guarantees Aug 19 04:22:18 I'm with you, I read some reviews regarding the ASU and FSO .. seems like the FSO is the way to go for now correct? Aug 19 04:22:23 that's also assuming your sim works ... Aug 19 04:22:37 oh, yeah - sim compatability :) Aug 19 04:22:56 mikef187_: but it sounds like your enough of a hacker to get the phone working enough Aug 19 04:22:56 yeah? I have t-mobile and a Blackberry pearl Aug 19 04:22:57 thou i only had sim compat problems with 2007.2 Aug 19 04:23:26 Well I;m sure your like me and wont sleep until you break it and fix it Aug 19 04:24:14 Well, here are the basic functions I need... Make/take calls contacts and calendar Aug 19 04:24:20 Am I safe? Aug 19 04:24:23 rwhitby: can i make a suggestion? change the emotion build to optionally use mplayer libs, or get xinelib built :) Aug 19 04:24:53 mikef187_: ime yes, but don't expect calendar integration in the ui Aug 19 04:25:02 there are decent callendar apps thou Aug 19 04:25:33 Ok I got you.. Aug 19 04:25:40 AntonTakk: why would you be suggesting those things to me? Aug 19 04:25:52 What would be the name of a calandering app, So I can check it out Aug 19 04:26:13 rwhitby: aren't you the one that maintains the fso-testing repos at shr.bearstech? Aug 19 04:26:31 yep, but I don't maintain the individual packages which are built Aug 19 04:26:53 mikef187_: openmoko-calendar2 qtopia-x11-phone-callendar (or something) Aug 19 04:27:15 rwhitby: ah, so you just pull from cvs/subversion and build? Aug 19 04:27:20 anyone can give me a hint on what's not working properly if i get no dbus on zhone? Aug 19 04:27:31 mmaestri: dbus ;) Aug 19 04:27:57 TY you guys are very helpful, I tried to IRC with the Blackberry developers... Aug 19 04:27:58 JK Aug 19 04:28:02 AntonTakk: not even that. I configure a server to periodically run a Makefile which runs specific bitbake targets on specific git branches from specific git repositories. Aug 19 04:28:54 if it's something that *I* need, I might also, quite independent of that role, be a developer that modifies or maintains a package in OpenEmbedded. But the two are not linked. Aug 19 04:29:15 AntonTakk: yeah...i've noticed that... Aug 19 04:29:21 i see, so you can't add xinelib to the stuff your makefile builds? Aug 19 04:29:50 AntonTakk: if it exists already as a package in OpenEmbedded, and it builds without errors, then I can certainly do that. Aug 19 04:30:28 But I'm not going to go in and debug it if it doesn't build, or add it if it doesn't exist, unless it's something that scratches an itch that I personally have. Aug 19 04:30:29 no dbus...anyone...? Aug 19 04:31:01 mmaestri: never had that problem except a couple seconds at boot Aug 19 04:32:21 AntonTakk: have a look in the packages directories under http://git.openembedded.net/?p=org.openembedded.dev.git;a=tree for what already exists in OE. If you request something from there, I can test if it builds. If it builds, I can add it to task-openmoko-feeds.bb which the autobuilder builds regularly. Aug 19 04:33:01 'xinelib' does not exist as a package name. Aug 19 04:33:12 rwhitby: ok, let me see if I can make gstreamer work first thou, no sense in you building something else if i just don't have plugins installed :) Aug 19 04:34:42 One last question guys, I text like a fiend, is the tap kayboard hard to use while driving? Aug 19 04:34:45 rwhitby: got vim and git added in there? Aug 19 04:34:59 pjz: yep Aug 19 04:35:17 they should have hit the feeds about 18 hours ago Aug 19 04:35:17 rwhitby: sweet! How about svn? Aug 19 04:35:39 mikef187_: it's hard to use while sitting down :) Aug 19 04:35:39 (mostly for git-svn) Aug 19 04:36:01 mikef187_: but mostly due to it's size Aug 19 04:36:09 pjz: http://git.openembedded.net/?p=org.openembedded.dev.git;a=blob;f=packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb;h=c76f733f9b9446af25ee5dcd076291c47e561532;hb=HEAD is the current list - those packages and all their dependencies are built Aug 19 04:36:23 I see, does the landscape mode help this? Aug 19 04:37:06 it might, if switching to landscape was reliable, and doesn't make the glamo driver choke Aug 19 04:37:41 mikef187_: also, the cursor calibration is messed up in landscape Aug 19 04:37:51 (again, this is all ime) Aug 19 04:38:32 So these sound like problems that could be worked out at some point.. kind of in alpha/beta stages here. Aug 19 04:38:51 quick question - how does one bring 2008.8 out of suspend? So far, I've only been able to get it to shutdown... Aug 19 04:39:00 yeah, like i said - the hardware works, the software is questionable Aug 19 04:39:05 You think it will become a good platform on this hardware rev? Aug 19 04:39:41 mikef187_: yeah, the software is being written with the intention of not being hardware specific, so when the software is ready, it will be fine Aug 19 04:40:22 Thank you AntonTakk for all your help Aug 19 04:40:23 mikef187_: if you are having doubts, and need to rely on your phone 100%, don't get the freerunner (yet) Aug 19 04:40:58 Well .... I'm a glutten,,, I'm running 64bit linux on my dual core wifi laptop Aug 19 04:41:28 I'll be in here more after I scrape together 400 bones Aug 19 04:43:20 My freerunner is finally within country limits :) Aug 19 04:44:59 Grr... This is annoying. Press "power" to bring 2008.8 out of standby. But, there is a short delay from the time you press and it actually comes out. And, if you hold power for more than about 1 second, it shuts down. Aug 19 04:45:38 BUt, I'm liking the interface a lot more... Aug 19 04:47:04 does anybody here have significant experience with openmokos web browsers? Aug 19 04:47:36 AntonTakk: 'libxine' seems to build Aug 19 04:47:46 cool Aug 19 04:48:09 gstreamer works with the right plugins, but it is slow :) Aug 19 04:48:35 LuYu, minimo works well for me Aug 19 04:49:22 AntonTakk: where's the wiki page which is going to tell people how to use this new libxine package? Aug 19 04:49:26 well, that was my first question: how does one force minimo to constrain the text to the screen size in minimo Aug 19 04:49:55 rwhitby: it's a backend for emotion, user does not use it directly Aug 19 04:50:15 rwhitby: and enlightenment's api's are well documented on enlightenment.org Aug 19 04:50:21 is it used automatically, or do they need to configure emotion? Aug 19 04:50:44 emotion tries to use it by default Aug 19 04:51:07 at least in your image i am running Aug 19 04:51:07 good enough. it should be in the feeds within 6 hours. Aug 19 04:54:26 pjz: unfortunately, apr-util fails to build Aug 19 04:55:05 /home/shr/fso-dev/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/apr-util-1.2.7-r3/apr-util-1.2.7/configure: li Aug 19 04:55:05 ne 1711: syntax error near unexpected token `config.nice' Aug 19 04:58:03 rwhitby: :( Aug 19 04:58:36 pjz: feel free to debug :-) Aug 19 04:59:04 rwhitby: eep! no thanks! Aug 19 05:04:24 rwhitby: now, just to be sure - will the libxine stuff be installed in the build env when emotion is building? Aug 19 05:04:53 does the systray ever work when the screen orientation is swapped? Aug 19 05:05:20 AntonTakk: only if the emotion package explicitly depends on it. Aug 19 05:06:15 and if it did it would have already been pulled in, wouldn't it? Aug 19 05:06:20 * rwhitby doesn't even know which package in OE builds emotion Aug 19 05:06:27 yes Aug 19 05:06:45 crap....people have to mess with stuff Aug 19 05:06:49 I thought you said it automatically finds it at run-time? Aug 19 05:07:17 it does, if the build process isn't nerfed Aug 19 05:08:47 rwhitby: DISPLAY=:0.0 emotion_test results in: Aug 19 05:09:12 module : xine \n Unable to load module xine \n Segmentation fault Aug 19 05:09:45 so emotion is already looking for that module, which _should_ only happen if it was available at build Aug 19 05:09:52 emotion 0.1.0.042 Aug 19 05:09:57 Configuration Options Summary: Aug 19 05:10:02 Xine...............: no Aug 19 05:10:07 crap Aug 19 05:10:09 :-\ Aug 19 05:10:17 http://www.bufferunderflow.com/?entry=6 If anyone wants to see a pic of a nice bluetooth keyboard with the moko.... Aug 19 05:11:15 so someone either specifically turned it off, or by not building it first, is configures it's self off Aug 19 05:12:03 Pyrasi: video is no longer available :( Aug 19 05:13:16 I just uploaded it.....i think youtube is still processing it =/ Aug 19 05:13:20 rwhitby: let me guess, gstreamer was the only plugin marked "yes" ? Aug 19 05:13:32 its pretty crappy quality though....the pics probably do it more justice than the vid Aug 19 05:14:01 Pyrasi: ah, alright. Aug 19 05:14:04 AntonTakk: Gstreamer, Gstreamer plugins, Gstreamer CDDA Aug 19 05:14:12 figures Aug 19 05:14:30 * AntonTakk goes to see if he can find out who maintains that package for oe Aug 19 05:14:36 EXTRA_OECONF = "--disable-xine --enable-gstreamer" Aug 19 05:14:42 Is this -> http://bildr.no/view/242147 <- the image that is supposed to come up when you boot 2007.7 using the automatich ubuntu guide? Aug 19 05:14:47 Pyrasi: how small is the keyboard when its stowed away? Aug 19 05:15:06 http://git.openembedded.net/?p=org.openembedded.dev.git;a=history;f=packages/efl1/emotion_cvs.bb;h=960d10ad311f486f4bc2b20d183ce303423e8bc3;hb=HEAD Aug 19 05:15:35 about half the size you see there Aug 19 05:15:36 AntonTakk: ^^ mickey Aug 19 05:15:47 the keys are full size though...so its easy to type with Aug 19 05:16:05 and it has a holder on the back to hold the phone up so you can see Aug 19 05:16:20 hmm, alright. Aug 19 05:16:26 how loud is it? Aug 19 05:16:26 AntonTakk: comment in the recipe says "# we no longer build the libxine backend, since the gstreamer backend seems more promising" Aug 19 05:17:08 taking 5 seconds to start playing a 5 second mp3 is "promising"?.... heh Aug 19 05:18:33 even so, all it does is build installable modules, not like anyone is forced to use it Aug 19 05:18:34 AntonTakk: how long does it take with libxine on the same device? Aug 19 05:18:58 petition mickey to change it, and then it will be rebuilt automatically Aug 19 05:19:23 rwhitby: if I knew a way to build libxine on my fr i would test, but on my 3ghz desktop there will be no real diference Aug 19 05:19:49 AntonTakk: so rebuild emotion with MokoMakefile and test it ... Aug 19 05:20:08 is that still broken on x86_64 Aug 19 05:20:10 ? Aug 19 05:20:36 so Aug 19 05:20:43 is the FR suspend issue fixed yet? Aug 19 05:21:02 rooly|away: "the" there is only one ? ;) Aug 19 05:21:24 the one where the screen doesn't turn back on Aug 19 05:21:35 because i may have found a remedy Aug 19 05:24:05 so nobody is interested Aug 19 05:24:14 Is this -> http://bildr.no/view/242147 <- the image that's supposed to come up when you boot using the automatich ubuntu guide? Aug 19 05:24:14 AntonTakk: shr.bearstech.com feeds are built on an x86_64 running Debian Lenny Aug 19 05:24:40 kagee: that is the qtopia image Aug 19 05:25:07 that's what i thought Aug 19 05:25:28 rwhitby: ok, thanks, mind if I add a fedora section to the required packages section on the wiki page once i figure them all out? Aug 19 05:25:36 but i followed this guide to the letter: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Automatic_emulation_in_Ubuntu Aug 19 05:25:36 kagee: pull the 2007.2 image down from buildhost and save the jffs2, u-boot-*.bin and the uImage-*.bin into build/qemu and flash-qemu-local Aug 19 05:25:49 i guess nobody is interested Aug 19 05:25:53 kagee: i had the same problem Aug 19 05:26:25 AntonTakk: that type of information is welcome Aug 19 05:27:10 rooly|away: the best place to announce it would be in the existing bug report, attaching a patch Aug 19 05:27:22 rwhitby: is this known: doing "echo 1 >> /sys/power/state" allows for mostly consistent resume from suspend Aug 19 05:27:39 rooly|away: I have no idea. My GTA02 doesn't work. Aug 19 05:27:47 battery? Aug 19 05:27:47 prjktdtnt: I guess these (http://buildhost.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ ) are two of the files. what about theu-boot-*.bin ? Aug 19 05:28:07 would someone who's had their freerunner turned on for a good amount of time try it? Aug 19 05:28:09 om2008.8 Aug 19 05:28:36 kagee: you have to make sure to pull the ones for the 1973 and not freerunner as qemu doesn't emulate gta02 yet Aug 19 05:28:45 i get consistent results if my fr is passed that early post-boot stage Aug 19 05:28:52 kagee: most of them will end ing -om-gta01.bin Aug 19 05:28:57 end in* Aug 19 05:28:59 ok... Aug 19 05:29:26 rwhitby: a brick or a battery Aug 19 05:29:57 rooly|away: hardware failure Aug 19 05:30:06 so a brick Aug 19 05:30:37 no, it sometimes powers up, usually after I open up the main shielding can on the PCB, but not always Aug 19 05:30:58 oic Aug 19 05:32:10 i'm not an electrical engineer Aug 19 05:32:12 can't help Aug 19 05:32:55 I am, and neither can I :-) Aug 19 05:33:06 hahaha, ouch Aug 19 05:33:11 well, if you get a chance Aug 19 05:33:35 just echo 1 > /sys/power/state Aug 19 05:33:45 seems to allow for clean resumes Aug 19 05:33:54 don't have enough data to support it yet Aug 19 05:35:05 Pyrasi: aye :) it does. kbd support is pretty complete Aug 19 05:36:04 raster: ever thought of a keyboard alternative that automatically goes landscape with huge keys (like the thumb mode of the nokia n800 on-screen keyboard)? can this be done by the illume keyboard and a configuration file? Aug 19 05:36:13 rwhitby are you subscribed to the community-repo ml? Aug 19 05:36:29 Hey raster, do you mind if I post a link you your image on the mailing lists? Aug 19 05:36:45 rwhitby: right now the kbd will scale to fit landscape Aug 19 05:36:48 and "work" Aug 19 05:36:57 it doesnt have a special landscape mode tho Aug 19 05:37:03 Pyrasi: if u want to :) Aug 19 05:37:20 cool....its by far the most useable I've seen yet Aug 19 05:37:51 rwhitby the scripts now to size and md5 checks and bail/send error mail when somebody tampers with the files.. also it now uses ssl and hard cert checks everywhere Aug 19 05:38:02 the fact that the on screen keyboard disappears when you have an external one supprised me =) nice work btw! Aug 19 05:38:46 Pyrasi: its closer to what illume+e should be Aug 19 05:38:52 but still far from it Aug 19 05:40:20 would anyone like to test my possible resume fix? Aug 19 05:40:28 roh: I am now. Good to see my ranting yesterday has had the effect of closing one of the threat vectors :-) Aug 19 05:41:00 which is? the whole making sure consumers know it's not a consumer phone? Aug 19 05:41:46 rooly|away: right now.. me.. no :) Aug 19 05:41:56 damn Aug 19 05:42:11 it's only 3 actions Aug 19 05:42:16 what is it meant to fix? Aug 19 05:42:57 om2008.8's not turning on the screen when resuming from suspend Aug 19 05:43:15 ok Aug 19 05:43:17 i can try Aug 19 05:43:26 got a kernel image? Aug 19 05:43:29 just get a terminal, any terminal connection Aug 19 05:43:43 rwhitby well., threat vectors.. if i would want to root us, i would start developoping oe, gain trust, and slip some harmless looking change into oe and wait for om to merge that change into org.openmoko.dev and runs it in buildhost Aug 19 05:43:50 echo 1 > /sys/power/state Aug 19 05:44:00 make sure you're phone is working smoothly Aug 19 05:44:08 IE, the dialer app is running at normal speed Aug 19 05:44:09 roh: Doh! you've uncovered my nefarious plans ... Aug 19 05:44:43 rwhitby but yeah.. of course youre right.. but i guess there are zillions of other ways to shoot a cat with only a sledgehammer and a pigeon at hand Aug 19 05:45:02 * rwhitby looks at the shr web logs to determine the size of his freerunner botnet Aug 19 05:45:15 not mine! Aug 19 05:45:48 most people don't know that FSO stands for FreeRunner Stays Owned Aug 19 05:45:56 ;) Aug 19 05:46:00 heh Aug 19 05:47:42 ok, time to see if I can submit my nmea.py changes to framework via git on the phone ... Aug 19 05:48:36 rwhitby: i don't see this in the wiki, but after the setup completes, how would I go about rebuilding just one package (like emotion) with libxine support? Aug 19 05:48:40 rooly|away: still waiting for the rest of your "fix" Aug 19 05:48:41 :) Aug 19 05:48:43 any luck raster Aug 19 05:48:51 oh, that's it Aug 19 05:49:05 AntonTakk: edit the .bb file, then make rebuild-package-emotion Aug 19 05:49:17 (add it to /etc/init.d to make it work at boot) Aug 19 05:49:29 ok, thanks Aug 19 05:50:29 raster: any luck? Aug 19 05:50:35 step one, use the command Aug 19 05:50:39 not.. sure what that will do Aug 19 05:50:42 step two, press the power button Aug 19 05:50:47 step three, press the power button Aug 19 05:51:02 it may or may not work. it works for me however Aug 19 05:51:04 * rwhitby watches perl get installed on the gta01 as a dependency of git ... Aug 19 05:52:09 * rooly|away is happily enjoying working resumes Aug 19 05:52:22 well for me wakup after suspend randomly doesnt work Aug 19 05:52:26 so not sure this helps Aug 19 05:52:39 wakeup for me plain old doesn't work Aug 19 05:52:43 but suspend.reusme worked Aug 19 05:52:44 screen on Aug 19 05:53:05 your phone has been running long enough to idle the processor, right? Aug 19 05:53:07 but do it a second time Aug 19 05:53:10 and resume is broken Aug 19 05:53:20 and yes Aug 19 05:53:25 its been on long enough Aug 19 05:53:38 i usually have to wait 30 minutes Aug 19 05:53:42 don't know why Aug 19 05:53:56 before any qtopia apps work at full speed Aug 19 05:54:04 Doh! - ran out of jffs2 space. Time to put fso-testing on the SD card ... Aug 19 05:54:13 noit sure that does anything Aug 19 05:54:21 rwhitby: this is going to be downloading stuff for a while, isn't it? Aug 19 05:54:34 AntonTakk: absolutely Aug 19 05:54:47 raster: yeah, i noticed last night that i succesfully resumed for the first time Aug 19 05:54:52 so i went over everything i did Aug 19 05:54:58 even 2007.2 stuff even thou i changed the make file for fso? Aug 19 05:55:07 yup Aug 19 05:55:11 which included messing with backlight, vibrator, led's, and the power/state Aug 19 05:55:15 ok, just wanted to make sure Aug 19 05:55:34 and this one seemed to allow me to succesfully resume Aug 19 05:55:39 multiple times Aug 19 05:55:41 guess it's time to lay in bed and wait for the 32 oz of 4x stronger than normal tea to wear off :) Aug 19 05:56:03 so raster, still no luck after the 2nd suspend? Aug 19 05:56:14 nup Aug 19 05:56:16 dead Aug 19 05:56:19 i'm rebooting now Aug 19 05:56:22 can you ssh into it? Aug 19 05:56:27 nnot now Aug 19 05:56:28 booting Aug 19 05:56:35 i found out something Aug 19 05:56:43 the resume is actually sucesful Aug 19 05:56:58 the screen, however, refuses to turn on Aug 19 05:57:14 it would be nice if there was a way to build packages right on the fr, save having to do all this cross-compiling and whatnot Aug 19 05:57:27 AntonTakk: ...gcc? Aug 19 05:57:34 have u tried echoing values to /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/backlight/pcf50633-bl/bl_power Aug 19 05:57:35 ? Aug 19 05:57:42 rooly|away: i mean and end up with ipk files Aug 19 05:57:46 and brightness in that dir too? Aug 19 05:57:50 yes, raster Aug 19 05:57:55 and nothing happens? Aug 19 05:58:01 it does Aug 19 05:58:04 echo 64 or 63 to brighness i think Aug 19 05:58:09 63 is max Aug 19 05:58:21 that'll turn the screen back on Aug 19 05:58:22 that brings back the backlight? Aug 19 05:58:25 ok Aug 19 05:58:26 works for me Aug 19 05:58:34 looks like ompower is hitting some resume race condition Aug 19 05:58:45 it does that for you on resume Aug 19 05:58:46 also download source packages via opkg Aug 19 05:58:50 but sometimes it fails Aug 19 05:58:55 right Aug 19 05:59:11 however, it seems to be succesful much more often after that echo Aug 19 05:59:11 the code is so simple - its pretty hard for me to see how it cvan fail Aug 19 05:59:15 run apm -s to suspend Aug 19 05:59:26 then when thats returned (on resume) bring backlight back Aug 19 06:00:00 all i can think of it that the kernel has a race where writes to the pmu's backlight styate fail until kernel has done something Aug 19 06:00:34 i'm just tellin ya this because it works for me. Aug 19 06:00:45 5 times now Aug 19 06:00:47 in a row Aug 19 06:01:15 for me its random Aug 19 06:01:22 so i cant say one way or another Aug 19 06:02:59 now, why do the qtopia apps take so very long to reach usable speeds? Aug 19 06:05:43 whatever Aug 19 06:05:46 i'm dead tired Aug 19 06:05:51 and i've got to be up at 4 am tomorrow Aug 19 06:05:54 and it's midnight Aug 19 06:06:01 and i'll be travelling all day Aug 19 06:06:24 and from there i have to get a haircut and start packing so's that i can move into a new appartment the next day. Aug 19 06:06:48 so g'night all Aug 19 06:07:03 rwhitby: and I need to build a complete image before i can rebuild a package, correct? Aug 19 06:08:09 AntonTakk: no Aug 19 06:21:12 openmoko: 03raster * r4599 10/developers/raster/ompower/power.c: race cond.. work around? Aug 19 06:21:57 rwhitby: Thanks for your help building FSO yesterday. Aug 19 06:22:08 erl_: did you get it built? Aug 19 06:22:14 ok, building, wonder how long this will take Aug 19 06:22:56 oh, it has to build the cross compilers and what-not Aug 19 06:23:26 will take longer than i want to wait, night all Aug 19 06:24:03 openmoko: 03tick * r4600 10/trunk/feeds/community-repository/file-index.txt: [multiverse] adding orrery 1.1 into multiverse Aug 19 06:24:24 rwhitby: if yer interested i'll let you know the speed difference as soon as i test tomorrow Aug 19 06:35:40 rwhitby: yes, but I haven't tried installing it yet. Aug 19 06:36:20 What is the status of SMS on FSO? Aug 19 06:36:38 dunno Aug 19 06:37:31 When are things moved from testing to unstable for FSO? I guess I should be running testing if I want to develop... Aug 19 06:41:17 openmoko.com claims that "...Qtopia to the Neo Freerunner1973 phone. If you want a consumer ready software stack you should download this." Aug 19 06:41:30 does this mean that neo with qtopia is a fully working device as a phone ? Aug 19 06:50:01 ah, qtopia has no gps support Aug 19 06:50:12 that kinda slightly negates usefulness for me :) Aug 19 07:13:01 good morning Aug 19 07:15:21 effbiai: i have at least received sms with fso-frameworkd 0.2.0-git20080805-5 Aug 19 07:15:28 oh, erl_ parted Aug 19 07:21:12 Installing and Using Debian on an OpenMoko FreeRunner http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner Aug 19 07:28:30 yang2: Have you done this? Aug 19 07:42:06 ich have a matchbox-session file in /usr/bin, but my modifications dont work, eg for a desktop image Aug 19 07:42:09 matchbox-desktop --bg img-centered:/media/card/Documents/Image_Files/placeinparadise.png & Aug 19 07:50:36 mikef187: nope, i just saw link Aug 19 08:05:39 hi Aug 19 08:06:23 which directory is the applcation directory? Aug 19 08:16:29 anything is required for projects.openmoko.org project commit mailing list to be activated to trigger commits to the mailing list? Aug 19 08:22:56 qtopia has no gps _yet_, besides there are 3rd party gps applications Aug 19 08:31:45 lpotter: might i suggest taking a look at OpenCityMapper if you've not already? :) Aug 19 08:35:08 I have looked at it, just not had time to sucessfully compile it :) Aug 19 08:36:11 *nods* It's Stecchino's students' work :) Aug 19 08:36:38 did anyone get rana working? Aug 19 08:37:04 lpotter, ah, so other gps apps would work without problems on top of qtopia ? Aug 19 08:37:20 is SMS send/receive supposed to work with the FSO yet ? Aug 19 08:37:26 Your search - OpenCityMapper - did not match any documents. Aug 19 08:37:44 10:15 effbiai: i have at least received sms with fso-frameworkd 0.2.0-git20080805-5 Aug 19 08:37:45 Richlv: as long as they are Qtopia apps. or commandline Aug 19 08:38:01 opencitymap Aug 19 08:38:25 lpotter, hmm, so something like tangogps wouldn't ? Aug 19 08:38:35 maybe on ASU Aug 19 08:38:58 well, it runs quite definitely on OM2008.8 Aug 19 08:39:12 but as i understand, that's not yet quite usable as a rock solid phone ;) Aug 19 08:39:13 http://code.google.com/p/opencitymap/ Aug 19 08:39:18 Lpotter! Aug 19 08:39:28 * Dave eyes leinir suspiciously Aug 19 08:40:56 llo dave! Aug 19 08:44:35 \o/ Aug 19 08:50:02 well, i hacked my NAS and found a back door :) Aug 19 08:50:29 Lint! Aug 19 08:50:33 hey dave Aug 19 08:50:48 Still on a bus? :p Aug 19 08:51:55 hah, no Aug 19 08:52:20 i'm at home cracking passwords for a device i own Aug 19 08:53:33 Hmm, I guess your hands probably don't hurt then :P Aug 19 08:53:53 you testing the securitay of your portable devices? :p Aug 19 08:54:37 no, my NAS... i hacked it by violating the warranty Aug 19 08:55:21 ieatlint: "void" ? Aug 19 08:55:22 anybody tried raster's image? Aug 19 08:55:24 http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ Aug 19 08:55:25 really i got a free upgrade Aug 19 08:56:06 well, basically i created a fake firmware update that turned on a telnet daemon and set the root password to my liking Aug 19 08:56:13 (it's linux based) Aug 19 08:56:39 kinky hot Aug 19 08:56:41 then i went snooping... found a hidden directory in the http root that has a php script to turn on the telnet daemon Aug 19 08:56:54 what is this on? Aug 19 08:57:07 but with password protection... so i'm cracking the password for that, and the default root password Aug 19 08:57:11 hammer myshare Aug 19 08:57:28 Is this on a freerunner? Aug 19 08:57:37 I didn't know they had php scripts Aug 19 08:57:39 o_O Aug 19 08:57:42 no, it's a NAS -- network attached storage device Aug 19 08:57:55 OH Aug 19 08:57:56 haw :P Aug 19 08:58:00 yeah, heehee Aug 19 08:58:02 Have a good time :D Aug 19 08:58:19 plus why would you want to hack [into] it? just for fun? Aug 19 08:58:30 lots of reasons :P Aug 19 08:58:43 customising it... i could install my own linux distro on it, for instance Aug 19 08:58:45 * Dave rolls his eyes Aug 19 08:58:59 I'm sure it's not a security risk though Aug 19 08:59:13 installing my own linux distro on it? Aug 19 09:00:16 no Aug 19 09:00:23 just the fact you were able to do what you did Aug 19 09:00:54 oh, what i did isn't... but what i found is Aug 19 09:01:08 :D Aug 19 09:01:14 once i finish cracking these 2 passwords, i could get a root console on any hammer myshare NAS Aug 19 09:01:15 hook your freerunner up to it Aug 19 09:04:08 one password down.. Aug 19 09:05:07 try rootme. thats popular Aug 19 09:06:47 the one in a htpasswd file was simple... took like 20min brute force, "sysadmin" ... the system root password is not simple Aug 19 09:07:19 i've done dictionary attacks, then started brute force... midway through 8 chars now Aug 19 09:09:59 ieatlint, you're so cool. Aug 19 09:12:30 hah, right Aug 19 09:12:50 :P Aug 19 09:13:00 I'm so cool cause I cracked my freerunner without a password Aug 19 09:13:07 :) Aug 19 09:13:23 lpotter, put instructions on the wiki! Aug 19 09:14:05 ROFL Aug 19 09:14:27 * Dave rolls his eyes Aug 19 09:14:39 Lpotter, so when is 4.3.4 set to be released? :p Aug 19 09:37:26 4.3.4? you mean 4.3.2 Aug 19 09:39:21 * swc|666 growls at the absolute crap atheros firmware Aug 19 09:51:45 morning Aug 19 10:30:33 Does anyone know if its possible to download the whole map of the netherlands (or a city), upload it to the freerunner and have tangogps (running on 2008.8) use it when offline? Aug 19 10:34:47 KenSentMe: if you have an internet connection on your neo (usb/wlan) its quiete easy, go to tangogps config or settings, activate auto upload, go back to maps, click and download the area Aug 19 10:35:02 malik1972, ok, will try that Aug 19 10:35:21 I was wondering if it was possible to put the whole map on the neo at once Aug 19 10:41:42 KenSentMe: it downloads the maps in different scales, you can try to put in an image netherlands.map and mount/umount it properly Aug 19 10:48:53 hello all - i have problems installing a self-made kernel ipkg to my freerunner - even with -force-downgrade opkg tries to install the newest version from repository... any hints? Aug 19 10:56:15 i am using stock 2007.2 Aug 19 11:04:05 Lpotter, no, I mean 4.3.4 Aug 19 11:15:39 trying to flash my neo, but when I rung ./dfu-until -l find to usb devices ? Aug 19 11:16:20 *two Aug 19 11:17:38 hossi, You probably have other dfu device, like bluetooth for example Aug 19 11:17:54 is somebody here who have got running gentoo on the freerunner? Aug 19 11:18:30 VDVsx, I have bluethooth on my sony vaio, but I don't think it uses usb? Aug 19 11:18:54 hossi, turn it off and try again, trust me Aug 19 11:19:18 vdvsx: try lsusb... i can see my bluetooth chip ;) Aug 19 11:19:33 it is on the usb Aug 19 11:19:45 mosez, yap i know Aug 19 11:20:39 hossi, but you can also tell to dfu-util the device you want to flash, I dunno the command, but it should be find in the wiki Aug 19 11:20:46 aehm i meant hossi =) Aug 19 11:29:07 blah Aug 19 11:29:31 VDVsx, it worked after I turned of the bluetooth Aug 19 11:31:02 hossi, fine :) Aug 19 11:33:01 ROFLDATE Aug 19 11:33:02 hmm where do I find a release of the uboot? Aug 19 11:33:06 davi Aug 19 11:33:11 Aug 19 12:31 BST Aug 19 11:33:14 Bullshit Standard Time? Aug 19 11:33:16 huhu Aug 19 11:33:41 Dear openmoko, please don't fuck my time over every time there is an update. Aug 19 11:35:50 Kevs Aug 19 11:36:25 hi Aug 19 11:36:40 lollerdeutschen Aug 19 11:36:57 Anyone tried installing debian yet? Aug 19 11:37:01 yes Aug 19 11:37:05 and? Aug 19 11:37:09 It's getting better and better! Aug 19 11:37:24 better than openmoko's OSes? Aug 19 11:37:29 Not as of yet Aug 19 11:37:33 depends on who you ask though :p Aug 19 11:37:34 and speed? Aug 19 11:37:37 and depends on your uses Aug 19 11:37:41 It's alright Aug 19 11:37:53 "Better" is purely subjective. Aug 19 11:37:54 I am a Linux administrator Aug 19 11:38:14 Good for you. Aug 19 11:38:22 I will use my phone to hack I mean admin linux servers Aug 19 11:38:35 If you want a working phone, then I'd say no, but if you want a decent mobile platform to play around with for fun, then yes. Aug 19 11:38:40 heh Aug 19 11:38:44 nice Aug 19 11:38:46 then yes it may eventually be what you want :) Aug 19 11:38:49 good info.... Aug 19 11:38:50 It's pretty slick Aug 19 11:39:03 but things are rapidly being developed and tested for it Aug 19 11:39:05 where does the debian dist fail compared to the factory load? Aug 19 11:39:17 as there are many users who are eager to get deb running well on the phone Aug 19 11:39:23 It is very exciting Aug 19 11:39:24 fail? Aug 19 11:39:25 mikef187: hehe you got totally happy about the debian port:) Aug 19 11:39:28 Yes, it is! Aug 19 11:39:32 probably :P Aug 19 11:39:36 that was rather recent too Aug 19 11:39:36 Uh yeah Aug 19 11:39:43 hahah I can't sleep now Aug 19 11:40:10 I need to sell my car to get this phone now Aug 19 11:40:33 mikef187: oh, is it worth it? Aug 19 11:40:44 Were you able to make calls in Deb? Aug 19 11:40:52 yang2: Yes Aug 19 11:41:20 I'll be the coolest nerd at the bus stop Aug 19 11:41:28 mikef187: btw. you can also get a cheap motorola ezx phone (it also runs openmoko, but doesn't support calls yet) Aug 19 11:41:49 erl_: things usually move from unstable to testing, not the other way around ... Aug 19 11:42:01 yang2: wow.... Yeah IU need calls Aug 19 11:42:28 ieatlint: which NAS did you hack? Aug 19 11:42:41 * rwhitby does a bit of stuff with nas devices - nslu2-linux.org Aug 19 11:42:42 mikef187: they are supposed to work shortly Aug 19 11:42:42 yang2: I have anHP laptop that runs Deb/Qemu-openmoko that wont makes calls haha Aug 19 11:43:14 mikef187: the motorola phones are selling for 30 usd on ebay Aug 19 11:43:38 yang2: Really.....? Interesting Aug 19 11:43:52 I'll only have to skip one tank of gas for that Aug 19 11:44:00 mikef187: most of the linux functionality you can allready have , like using mp3 and video player calendars, schedulers etc. Aug 19 11:44:23 mikef187: look for Motorola A780 or A910 (looks better) Aug 19 11:44:40 mikef187: www.openezx.org is the project name Aug 19 11:44:48 yang2: I want a good web-browser like firefox etc.. Aug 19 11:44:56 I'll check that out now Aug 19 11:45:03 yeah it has a web browser, but its a tiny screen Aug 19 11:45:28 Well if I'm going to edit images in GIMO I need a big screen !! Aug 19 11:45:31 jk Aug 19 11:45:38 GIMP* Aug 19 11:45:51 teh gimp r teh suck Aug 19 11:46:22 HAHAH what he said Aug 19 11:46:32 ;p Aug 19 11:46:57 rofl at mikef for the bus stop thing Aug 19 11:47:17 Once I walk in with a phone running debian.... I'll be head dog in my IT dept. Aug 19 11:47:24 Anyhow, rwhitby, did you see lint's nas hacking from last night? :P Aug 19 11:47:30 apparently some have major security flaws Aug 19 11:47:49 mikef, I hope that means something... Aug 19 11:48:07 Dave: just about all of them have a way to get in if you're on the lan side Aug 19 11:48:20 very few have exploits from the wan Aug 19 11:48:22 Not really... but it gets the chicks.... Aug 19 11:49:00 rwhitby, apparently this one does! Aug 19 11:49:41 no, it's a single ethernet port NAS device. the exploit is on the lan side. it's not a firewall router. Aug 19 11:49:51 oh Aug 19 11:49:59 yours anyway :p Aug 19 11:50:02 just about all nas devices have similar hidden telnet enable pages or such Aug 19 11:50:08 aha Aug 19 11:50:11 interesting Aug 19 11:50:15 mine never had anything like that Aug 19 11:50:22 then again, I made most of mine Aug 19 11:50:23 see www.nas-central.org (which I help run) for details Aug 19 11:50:56 hoi Nederlands \o/ Aug 19 11:51:15 rwhitby, what other exciting accomplishments have you of late? :) Aug 19 11:51:29 edistar: dutch wikipedia has been mokopediafied, it's only 469.92MB Aug 19 11:51:43 After I put together 400 bones for this phone I'll start an ##freerunner-debian channel Aug 19 11:51:45 o_o Aug 19 11:51:48 Dave: read my boring blog if you really want to know Aug 19 11:52:09 mikef187: why two ##'s ? Aug 19 11:52:10 Ooh, goody, and just where can I find that? ;) Aug 19 11:52:22 rwhitby, because he's that leet. Aug 19 11:52:25 mikef187: I'd instantly join Aug 19 11:52:45 rwhitby, read freenode's lame channel policy change of 2005. Aug 19 11:52:45 tere going to release an ipk when they have done the en.wiki Aug 19 11:52:46 Dave: www, then my nick, then .net Aug 19 11:52:52 heh Aug 19 11:52:54 *fg* Aug 19 11:52:59 I'll start it on freenode and I have to put 2 pounds to follow the rules on this IRC Aug 19 11:53:21 hah yeah Aug 19 11:53:32 * rwhitby is confused - I start new channels with one # all the time ... Aug 19 11:53:35 mikef187: huh? Aug 19 11:53:51 rwhitby: ## chans are offical afaik Aug 19 11:53:51 rwhitby: I'm currently in #freerunner-debian, noone there, so no need for a second #... Aug 19 11:54:15 bumbl: what does "official" mean on IRC? Aug 19 11:54:44 Hello Aug 19 11:54:49 Let me grab the site were i read that Aug 19 11:54:51 BRB Aug 19 11:54:52 why does this chan need to be official? Aug 19 11:55:08 so this current channel is not "official"? Aug 19 11:55:19 is there a gypsy package for debian build ? Aug 19 11:55:20 they are somewhat freenode related or sponsored; but thats only a guess as the ## chans seem either important or freenode related Aug 19 11:55:27 or, how easy is it to make it work : http://folks.o-hand.com/iain/gypsy/ Aug 19 11:55:29 rwhitby, when was the last time you posted something? :) Aug 19 11:55:38 rwhitby, correct. Aug 19 11:55:43 * rwhitby looks at his chan list of 11 channels on freenode, and none have ## Aug 19 11:55:46 Registered project with freenode. Aug 19 11:55:53 or you're a rebel :p Aug 19 11:56:07 Now that Rob's gone, you have less to worry about. Aug 19 11:56:11 Unless you fear Zombies. Aug 19 11:56:41 * rwhitby has a registered project with Freenode, with three associated channels, none of which have ## ... Aug 19 11:57:03 Right. Aug 19 11:57:07 Why would you? Aug 19 11:57:12 In any case, it's all silliness. Aug 19 11:57:47 My understanding is "offical" packages have a single pound and User initiated channels have 2 of course now I can't find the site I read that on Aug 19 11:58:02 freenode.net :P Aug 19 11:58:09 Mikef, you are pretty much correct. Aug 19 11:58:27 It's lame, stop looking into it. The more you read up on it, the more in freenode you will be disappointed. Aug 19 11:58:28 aol.com keyword freenode....... jk Aug 19 11:58:41 omg^^ Aug 19 11:58:45 nah, A0L3Rs prefer not to partee her.e Aug 19 12:00:18 I once installed some aol-thingy on my grandma's notebook. it screwed up all the networking >.< Aug 19 12:00:28 well I think I'm doing ok for my first day in IRC Aug 19 12:00:36 :D Aug 19 12:00:43 hey, could be worse, right? Aug 19 12:00:55 You could be mIRC'ing over A0L. Aug 19 12:00:55 what DOS Aug 19 12:01:04 sure it could. my dad finally fixed it since I hadn't the knowledge yet to do it ... :D Aug 19 12:01:29 I didn't know wordstar had an IRC module Aug 19 12:01:40 whats wordstar? Aug 19 12:01:47 exactly Aug 19 12:01:55 <|Marco|> hey, is qte-mt-static a very large lib or somthing ? I'm trying to build some stuff with momomakefile and on speciffic packages it stay's on the pack for ages... Aug 19 12:02:04 Tanuva, the best word processor in town Aug 19 12:02:13 Tanuva, if your OS is CP/M Aug 19 12:02:16 * Tanuva is googling Aug 19 12:02:37 I wont go into how I know that's true Aug 19 12:02:59 |Marco|: I think there is something wrong with the OE git fetcher. Interrupt and restart it and it might work better. Or just wait :-) Aug 19 12:03:03 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoFEM <--neat Aug 19 12:03:11 rwhitby, it does that sometimes :( Aug 19 12:03:17 Wordstar is the best word processor ever. Period. Aug 19 12:03:25 hands down Aug 19 12:03:26 but eventually seems to smooth out and run alright. Aug 19 12:03:28 haha Aug 19 12:03:39 rwhitby, not a lotus123 fan? :P Aug 19 12:03:41 wp Aug 19 12:03:43 mikef187: but only when running on a Z80 Aug 19 12:03:58 quatroPRO Aug 19 12:04:10 <|Marco|> rwhitby: well, this is the n'th time that pack's being crunched Aug 19 12:04:21 * Tanuva didn't even exist when wordstar was released.. Aug 19 12:04:25 :) Aug 19 12:04:31 heh Aug 19 12:04:32 <|Marco|> buuut... http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-issues/2007-May/002690.html <-- is'nt helping... Aug 19 12:04:38 I'm sure none of us did. Aug 19 12:04:42 <-- did exist hmmm... Aug 19 12:05:10 VDVsx, downloaded u-boot but it doesn't vame as a .bin, so after I have upacked the .tar to a folder which command do I use to build a .bin of it? Aug 19 12:05:11 <|Marco|> my existance is uncertain Aug 19 12:07:52 openmokos overwhelming Aug 19 12:09:17 Well I'm out guys.... TTYL Aug 19 12:09:21 * Tanuva should really debian-package his crappy mediaplayer for simpler dev work... Aug 19 12:09:25 bye mikef187 Aug 19 12:09:27 rwhitby, needs more megahurtz. Aug 19 12:09:57 will opkg also eat debs instead of my (non-existing) children? Aug 19 12:10:49 OM NOM NOM NOM Aug 19 12:11:30 damn, fso crashed and I didn't even notice it >.< Aug 19 12:11:36 no, it didn't Aug 19 12:11:42 hehe Aug 19 12:11:43 wtf is this poor cpu doing there?! Aug 19 12:12:46 Tanuva scared by the moko >:) Aug 19 12:14:30 mwaharrrharr... I'll just remove the battery, that will drive the devil out of it :] Aug 19 12:14:32 ENGAGE! Aug 19 12:14:38 hossi: build instructions for U-boot are on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot Aug 19 12:15:17 did someone install matchbox-keyboard and lost POW/AUX menus since ? Aug 19 12:16:01 Dave: apparently the last time I updated the blog was in march. I told you it was boring. Aug 19 12:16:04 looks like matchbox-keyboard hijacks all inputs and lets neod in the cold, never recieving POW/AUX presses anymore Aug 19 12:16:23 hossi: do you really want to build u-boot yourself, or are you just looking for a binary to flash? Aug 19 12:16:41 Rwhitby :( Aug 19 12:16:47 <|Marco|> leroutier: does it also snatch event2/3 ? Aug 19 12:17:25 leroutier, I wish! Aug 19 12:17:27 Marco : I don't know to which input device it matches . accelerometers ? Aug 19 12:17:30 Good riddance, and fuck neod! Aug 19 12:17:44 <|Marco|> leroutier: right.. Aug 19 12:18:07 Dave, well, I love beeing able to power off/on wifi/gsm/gps. so, this menu matters to me Aug 19 12:18:28 <|Marco|> hehehe, I'll check if it happened to me to.. Aug 19 12:18:29 <|Marco|> 2 sec Aug 19 12:18:30 Marco : never got any data on them, but got a GTA02v5, known bug AFAIK Aug 19 12:18:37 <|Marco|> I hav just done a upgrade Aug 19 12:18:49 Lerouter, it works fine. Aug 19 12:19:02 Dave, with keyboard applet added to matchbox session ? Aug 19 12:19:11 You're just crazy. Aug 19 12:19:21 It works fine Aug 19 12:19:50 * Tanuva reinstalls debian... Aug 19 12:19:51 matchbox-panel-2 ... --end-applets ..., keyboard Aug 19 12:20:04 since then, never had any of the 2 side buttons to work Aug 19 12:20:04 What are you whining about anyway? Aug 19 12:20:13 then you did it wrong Aug 19 12:20:16 <|Marco|> leroutier: mine work to a length... power is fine, but aux is strange, it has to be in a transition between "pages" or somthing for it to react, even if the "alt/tab" function works as always... Aug 19 12:20:46 I'll try to add some debug to neod to see if it recieves anything Aug 19 12:20:47 --end-applets keyboard,... Aug 19 12:20:52 do that, it works fine! Aug 19 12:21:05 Dave, got to put it first, that's what you mean ? Aug 19 12:21:07 Infoport, wake up Aug 19 12:21:11 got it as last applet Aug 19 12:21:13 What's ken's email, I need to beat him. Aug 19 12:21:24 leroutier, make it first? Is there a difference? Aug 19 12:21:31 It would also seem unrelated. Aug 19 12:21:34 let me check Aug 19 12:22:21 pannel loading order changer, X restarted Aug 19 12:22:27 trying now Aug 19 12:22:55 no menu when pressing POW Aug 19 12:23:07 it just shuts the device off if I press it too longly Aug 19 12:23:19 but no more menu Aug 19 12:23:37 dude, there is some strange behavior I did notice though Aug 19 12:23:43 hold it for maybe 3 sec Aug 19 12:23:43 I don't remember patching neod, but better recheck Aug 19 12:23:44 then release Aug 19 12:23:59 when I tried today it didn't come up until I released it. Aug 19 12:24:06 but it works fine Aug 19 12:24:07 k, trying, thx Aug 19 12:24:16 in terminal, out of terminal, with matchbox keyboard tray, or without :P Aug 19 12:24:33 first, booting as it shut it off Aug 19 12:29:30 uggh Aug 19 12:29:41 Damn that elusive Kenyoung. Aug 19 12:31:01 no menu either without the keyboard applet, its not the culprit Aug 19 12:33:43 time to check if I am Aug 19 12:35:24 should I expect `mdbus -s org.freedesktop.Gypsy` to work on debian ? Aug 19 12:52:04 I'd like a confirmation : event0 is AUX, 1 is TCHSCREEN, 2 and 3 are accel and 4 is POW, right ? Aug 19 12:54:06 lerouter, no Aug 19 12:54:12 Not on OM by default, anyway Aug 19 12:54:43 leroutier: you should never rely on anything like that, even if it happens to be correct Aug 19 12:55:19 balrog-kun, that's why every program on earth (and in my moko) opens all input devices I suppose Aug 19 12:55:53 balrogkun^^ Aug 19 12:56:12 Kensentme -_- Aug 19 12:56:13 Dave, well, got data on 0 only when pressing AUX, and on 4 when pressing POW Aug 19 12:56:23 hrm, okay Aug 19 12:56:24 leroutier: normally you would just look up the device in /sys/class/ipnut by name or something else and open only thre one you need Aug 19 12:56:25 Dave, ? Aug 19 12:56:32 :\ Aug 19 12:56:36 hey Dave Aug 19 12:56:40 wrong ken -_-; Aug 19 12:57:04 het spijt me Aug 19 12:57:12 Dave, geen probleem Aug 19 12:57:51 :] Aug 19 12:59:26 hum, got both DBus input events from HAL & FreeSmartphone for both POW & AUX Aug 19 13:00:04 FreeSmartPhone? Aug 19 13:00:06 does anyone know what's the application on this screenshot?: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/b75a53f7233841754af27decf0c45577.png Aug 19 13:00:09 how do I get into the terminal in 2008.2? Aug 19 13:00:21 2008.2? Aug 19 13:00:28 2007.2? Aug 19 13:00:49 Om2008.2 Aug 19 13:00:50 xeroes :) Aug 19 13:03:42 xeros, looks like xournal Aug 19 13:04:53 xeros, http://xournal.sourceforge.net/screenshot.png Aug 19 13:05:58 xeros: xournal Aug 19 13:06:06 h Aug 19 13:06:07 heh Aug 19 13:06:59 thanks cekay and mmaestri :-) Aug 19 13:07:56 * XorA said that days ago :-D Aug 19 13:09:07 Xora! Aug 19 13:09:28 ~blame dave Aug 19 13:09:29 * apt blames dave (and Canada) for all the evil in the world Aug 19 13:10:02 i'm having problems with dbus || with frameworkd || with zhone Aug 19 13:10:33 :D Aug 19 13:10:38 don't forget php! ;D Aug 19 13:11:24 thanks to you XorA, too (Aug 18 16:53:36 #openmoko I see xournal Aug 19 13:11:40 zhone keeps saying that it has no dbus Aug 19 13:11:53 eh? Aug 19 13:11:57 xeros: I was only kidding, didnt mean you to look back through history :-) Aug 19 13:12:08 :D Aug 19 13:12:16 :) Aug 19 13:12:26 "my" zhone keeps saying that it has no dbus Aug 19 13:12:28 Xora, any idea if there's a nice way such that opkg updates don't fuck with our clock? Aug 19 13:12:44 mmaestri, he just wants you to tell him where / how to find current session, by a env var for example Aug 19 13:12:45 they fuck with the clock? Aug 19 13:12:48 It's totally obnoxious. Aug 19 13:13:24 Xora, whenever I opkg upgrade, it changes my clock time, timezone, and hwclock. It's extremely uncool. Aug 19 13:13:37 I assume it's because ntp gets reinstalled/wiped or something... *shrugs* Aug 19 13:14:09 leroutier: nice...can you give me some clue? like which env var should i use, and where to point it...? :p Aug 19 13:14:17 Dave: please file a bug for that Aug 19 13:14:34 Dave: I dont like the sound of that Aug 19 13:14:36 Gladly :) Aug 19 13:14:39 Yeah, it's really uncool. Aug 19 13:14:53 Especially since I spent about half an hour last night resyncing the time. Aug 19 13:15:09 mmaestri, grep dbus /tmp/x.log Aug 19 13:15:09 D-BUS per-session daemon address is: unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-vpGc6Me3YH,guid=b0491ee86b1ab907efa5803248aae19b Aug 19 13:15:11 So it was a not so happy surprise this morning, when I opkg upgraded :D Aug 19 13:15:24 the value to pass should be the one starting at unix: Aug 19 13:15:48 try : DBUS_SESSION="unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-blablabla" Aug 19 13:15:57 try : DBUS_SESSION="unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-blablabla" your_prog Aug 19 13:16:37 so i start zhone using it? Aug 19 13:16:47 this is strange, i can run http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/tick/Test_env_script_GTA02A5/setneo but I can't do an ordinary connection ssh root@192.168.0.202 Aug 19 13:17:37 mmaestri, you could always try Aug 19 13:17:54 I 'love' neod code, it is so butifulllll Aug 19 13:18:34 how does one power down the atheros card? Aug 19 13:19:36 Oh yeah, Xora, I think it'd be nice to have a shutdown screen. Aug 19 13:20:11 When I select Shutdown, my freerunner remains semi-usable for at least sixty seconds, with the touchscreen still responding to input, eventually it dies down, it's rather confusing. Aug 19 13:21:19 leroutier, clearly, you must be joking. Aug 19 13:21:28 Neod is possibly one the most horribly coded pieces of crap :) Aug 19 13:21:31 leroutier: something funny happens when a do grep dbus /tmp/x.log Aug 19 13:22:01 Dave, is there a shutdown buttom in om 2008 :s Aug 19 13:22:03 it shows a htop screendump Aug 19 13:22:12 Can I run Pidgin, Kopete, etc on Freerunner? Aug 19 13:22:20 pidgin, yes Aug 19 13:22:25 works pretty well too Aug 19 13:22:30 That's nice to know Aug 19 13:22:31 maybe swap would help though Aug 19 13:22:48 Does it run Flash? Aug 19 13:22:52 mmaestri, funny like 2M lines ? Aug 19 13:23:03 I mean Flash Player Aug 19 13:23:27 flash? no Aug 19 13:23:29 doing grep unix /tmp/x.log worked well Aug 19 13:23:32 Who would want that crap, anyway? :D Aug 19 13:23:46 For streaming music like on Last.fm Aug 19 13:23:59 use a mediaplayer Aug 19 13:24:03 Right Aug 19 13:24:04 mmaestri, I suppose your x.log is full of useless ** (matchbox-panel-2:1542): DEBUG: (unknown dbus message, ignoring) Aug 19 13:24:06 ? Aug 19 13:24:15 I'd guess gnash or such could be ported at some point Aug 19 13:24:16 icecast or something :] Aug 19 13:24:24 Can I listen to mms streams, like mms://-stuff? Aug 19 13:24:37 can mplayer? Aug 19 13:24:40 and for lastfm I believe there is a vagalume port being done Aug 19 13:24:56 I thinks so, Dave. Does Freerunner run mplayer? Aug 19 13:25:15 yep Aug 19 13:25:21 Ah, great :) Aug 19 13:25:29 how do I get into the terminal from om 2008? Aug 19 13:25:30 video playback is only so-so though Aug 19 13:25:35 but music works fine Aug 19 13:25:47 Not going to use it for video, only web radio Aug 19 13:25:56 And chatting Aug 19 13:26:21 heh Aug 19 13:26:22 sure Aug 19 13:26:25 There's a WiFi network on my school, so I can be connected all day :) Aug 19 13:26:25 pidgin, irssi, etc Aug 19 13:26:30 heh Aug 19 13:26:40 keyboard might hurt your hands if you plan on chatting all day Aug 19 13:26:43 but it works :P Aug 19 13:27:09 Well, I've got a computer I can use to chat, so that might be the best solution :) Aug 19 13:27:21 haha Aug 19 13:27:33 But when I'm not in the classroom, I can use my phone :) Aug 19 13:27:42 ah Aug 19 13:27:42 sure Aug 19 13:28:12 in settings -> wifi, It say unknown ? Aug 19 13:28:18 How long does tha battery last when WiFi is on? Aug 19 13:29:35 Do you know, Dave? Aug 19 13:29:43 The same as usual? Aug 19 13:29:52 I don't know, 3-5hrs? Aug 19 13:29:57 it's kind of crappy Aug 19 13:30:02 My SE p1i sucks battery with Wifi on Aug 19 13:30:11 leroutier: no matchbox for me. i'm using fso Aug 19 13:30:25 I always have wifi on and that's how long it lasts with my gps tests running too Aug 19 13:30:30 usually about 4-5hrs Aug 19 13:30:33 maybe an hour more Aug 19 13:30:34 mmaestri, ok, so what was the problem when doing the grep ? Aug 19 13:30:48 mmaestri, (with dbus, not unix) Aug 19 13:31:00 Is it about 3-5 hours without Wifi too, Dave? Aug 19 13:31:32 dual: if you want more get high capacity nokia battery Aug 19 13:31:50 Do they fit, torindel? Aug 19 13:32:04 dual: check wiki for which ones are compatible Aug 19 13:32:12 Ok, thanks Aug 19 13:32:24 i scrolled up to see what happened, and it seems that it gives me the dbus line, and then it spits some htop screendumps Aug 19 13:32:35 don't know where they came from Aug 19 13:33:00 dual: and look for high capacity replacements since orginal bl-6c battery is about moko battery capacity Aug 19 13:33:49 Ok Aug 19 13:33:56 mmaestri, did it work finally (the env var to launch zhone) Aug 19 13:33:57 ? Aug 19 13:34:30 eh? Aug 19 13:34:33 i've exported the var, and started zhone from terminal Aug 19 13:34:41 didn't worked Aug 19 13:34:41 THE WAR!? Aug 19 13:34:45 The war with openmoko!? Aug 19 13:35:09 k, sorry. thought it would stick to the wall Aug 19 13:35:19 Dave: the war ON om! Aug 19 13:35:26 we gonna be overkill'd Aug 19 13:35:33 teh_orks r comin'! Aug 19 13:37:19 :D Aug 19 13:37:22 omg kekeke Aug 19 13:37:47 leroutier: checking env i've found DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=xxxx Aug 19 13:38:04 hossi: are you asking *why* the wifi says unknown? Aug 19 13:38:20 asciiforever, yes Aug 19 13:38:28 on settings Aug 19 13:38:52 hossi: i don't know the nature of the problem, but i know what fixed it for me Aug 19 13:39:15 hossi: you have to delete a file, i believe it is /etc/volatile.cache, and then reboot Aug 19 13:39:22 omg zergrush! Aug 19 13:39:45 so i guess that this var is the correct one, and it's correctly setted Aug 19 13:39:56 but it's not working Aug 19 13:40:23 is there a page on the wiki that would tell me, for instance, the most stable setup currently available for a neo? Aug 19 13:40:32 failing that, is there anyone here that will? I've heard 2007.2 Aug 19 13:41:05 jadams_: define "most stable" first Aug 19 13:41:16 mmaestri, usable as a phone Aug 19 13:41:18 jadams_: ime, fso, asu and qtopia would all be worth checking out Aug 19 13:41:19 FSO is pretty good Aug 19 13:41:46 I've run qtopia and hated it Aug 19 13:41:54 fso was good but incomplete (and I wouldn't expect it to be) Aug 19 13:41:56 i use a recent testing build of fso as my daily phone Aug 19 13:41:59 I'm about to try out debian with pkg-fso Aug 19 13:42:01 as a phone, take the qtopia image. as a "glimpse of the future", take fso Aug 19 13:42:05 asciiforever, thanks, will try it out Aug 19 13:42:11 * rwhitby runs fso, cause it's the only distro that gave him commit privs ... Aug 19 13:42:49 rwhitby: turns out xine in oe would been to be updated from 1.1.0 to 1.1.1 Aug 19 13:43:05 s/been/need/ Aug 19 13:43:05 AntonTakk meant: rwhitby: turns out xine in oe would need to be updated from 1.1.0 to 1.1.1 Aug 19 13:43:07 hossi: i did that yesterday, and i can connect to unprotected wifi at my office from settings -> wifi. have not tried wep or wpa yet. Aug 19 13:43:27 AntonTakk: that doesn't sound too hard - have you tried building 1.1.1 ? Aug 19 13:43:37 and the debian-fso looks promising, yet not having some apps from the moko stream is a turndown Aug 19 13:43:38 rwhitby, does a lot of people have commit access to 2007.2 repos ? Aug 19 13:43:48 rwhitby: not sure how to with oe, done it loads of times on my desktop thou Aug 19 13:44:05 Hello friends :) Aug 19 13:44:16 leroutier: only OM folks have 2007.2 commit privs. Aug 19 13:44:38 yeah and some of them are naughty :P Aug 19 13:44:44 fso is a community repo, so non-OM bona-fide developers can get commit privs based on a history of good patches. Aug 19 13:44:44 rwhitby, ok, so I have virtually no hope to have my patches checked in someday Aug 19 13:44:54 same for OE Aug 19 13:45:10 (community, with commit privs given based on history of contributions) Aug 19 13:45:12 looks like I'll have to learn python Aug 19 13:45:35 leroutier: if you want to fix 2007.2 apps, join the shr project Aug 19 13:45:48 asciiforever, after I have removed volatile.cache, do I have to reboot? Aug 19 13:45:56 the 2007.2+fso mix ? Aug 19 13:45:59 yep Aug 19 13:46:02 hossi: i think so Aug 19 13:46:18 I thought they just started Aug 19 13:46:25 they did Aug 19 13:46:38 good time to join and make a difference Aug 19 13:46:49 ok, lets try to find their repo first Aug 19 13:47:02 asciiforever, is their a way of reboot the neo using the gui? Aug 19 13:47:11 *there Aug 19 13:47:23 rwhitby: i'm having problems with dbus, can you help me somehow? Aug 19 13:47:25 * beni_ thougt that 2007.2 is dead now that there is 2008.2 out? Aug 19 13:47:52 hossi: not that i know of. just shutdown and start back up. Aug 19 13:48:09 mmaestri: probably not, I know nothing about dbus Aug 19 13:48:13 Anyone here played with that xournal thing? Aug 19 13:48:37 Dave: i did. it's a nice app Aug 19 13:49:03 maestri, did you prefix it? Aug 19 13:49:11 or did you compile? Aug 19 13:49:21 bitbake it Aug 19 13:49:26 oh heh Aug 19 13:50:35 the install-binary script just takes a dump on your directory tree Aug 19 13:50:44 clearly wasn't designed for om Aug 19 13:51:49 Where would I go if I wanted to request a software feature? Aug 19 13:52:24 ok, so anyone on here running debian? I've yet to get usb networking to work with the phone running the 'known-good' debian image provided on the wiki Aug 19 13:52:26 don't know any install-binary. i've just setted env && bitbake xournal. it worked just fine Aug 19 13:52:32 well Aug 19 13:52:40 nm, I bet debian has their own image now that they officially support it Aug 19 13:52:44 Did someone make a package of xournal yet? Aug 19 13:52:48 jadams_: use the debian-fso Aug 19 13:52:49 oh heh, I guess you did :D Aug 19 13:52:54 if you baked it :P Aug 19 13:53:02 mmaestri, that's what I want to use. Is there a filesystem I can just untar to get it? Aug 19 13:53:23 Dave: you want it...? Aug 19 13:53:25 asciiforever, it found med WLAN :) thanks Aug 19 13:53:33 Sure! Aug 19 13:53:36 hossi: welcome Aug 19 13:53:42 let me just rm -rf /usr/local real quick Aug 19 13:53:45 what would be the best source to monitor for system events? battery, calls/sms/etc? Aug 19 13:53:46 jadams_: use the install.sh Aug 19 13:53:55 loll Aug 19 13:53:58 ers Aug 19 13:54:22 asciiforever, so if I want to coonect I just click on the name? Aug 19 13:54:42 mmaestri please send me your xournal ;p Aug 19 13:54:58 I want to draw cutely scribbled renditions of tux, too :P Aug 19 13:55:12 jadams_: follow this: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner Aug 19 13:55:21 hossi: yeah, at least that worked for me. i haven't had time to play with it much, and the wifi at my office is set up in an awkward way, so i just verified the connection and stopped trying to use it. :P Aug 19 13:55:33 Dave: wait a sec Aug 19 13:57:13 asciiforever, the keypad is strange, there is no delete or space, how do I solve that? Aug 19 13:58:24 hossi: if you're using the keyboard i think you're using, a stroke across the keyboard to the right means space, and a stroke to the left means backspace Aug 19 13:58:40 hossi: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8_Keyboard Aug 19 14:01:28 Okedokey :) Aug 19 14:02:03 damn windows Aug 19 14:02:09 harr Aug 19 14:02:36 asciiforever and beni_ that is so high-tech Aug 19 14:03:20 Anybody working on a trivia/quiz app for openmoko? Aug 19 14:03:28 that would be nice Aug 19 14:03:56 does 2008.8 support the neo yet? Aug 19 14:04:00 never played brain training, but heard it is a great succes, maybe an improved version of that? Aug 19 14:04:06 Zorkman, that does sound nice Aug 19 14:04:13 jadams :D Aug 19 14:04:14 Zorkman, first step would be picking a flashcard app and porting it Aug 19 14:04:16 hahaha Aug 19 14:04:28 mmaestri, package me! Aug 19 14:04:32 [D:] Aug 19 14:04:32 Dave, I hate being laughed at for my dumb questions :) Aug 19 14:04:37 no no Aug 19 14:04:40 your comment was amazing Aug 19 14:04:46 http://uploads.mibbit.com/up/xuo1ErBB.ipk Aug 19 14:04:51 hot Aug 19 14:04:57 Dave: here it is Aug 19 14:05:06 mmaestri1: what is it? Aug 19 14:05:10 XOURNAL Aug 19 14:05:30 yes Aug 19 14:05:31 Is that 0.4.2.1? Aug 19 14:05:56 0.4.0.1 Aug 19 14:06:04 oh :| Aug 19 14:06:08 whatever :D Aug 19 14:06:45 go go gadget opkg! Aug 19 14:06:53 it has a nice feature: export to pdf Aug 19 14:06:55 lol Aug 19 14:08:35 cool so I can export my crudely drawn sketches of tux and distribute them to you all in pdf form? :P Aug 19 14:08:49 well, mmaestri1 sucks Aug 19 14:09:05 all its libgnome dependencies cannot be settled, and don't exist in any repo Aug 19 14:09:13 so oh well Aug 19 14:09:16 i suck? Aug 19 14:09:29 Don't know where to put software requests but I had this idea today which I wanted to share. It would be cool to sync each contacts photo, with his/hers profile photo on the net, for example from gravatar/flickr/youtube/facebook/ or whatever. a bit unuseful, but cool anyway:) Aug 19 14:09:44 mmaestri1, no there should be an extra comma there. Aug 19 14:09:48 but it does suck Aug 19 14:09:52 ok Aug 19 14:09:57 :( Aug 19 14:10:09 i guess that i had all the libs already installed Aug 19 14:10:12 I may as well just build it myself, but even I don't have the required libraries to build it, which is retarded Aug 19 14:10:16 it worked for me Aug 19 14:10:26 bitbake whore :( Aug 19 14:11:31 anyway, at least your dbus is working properly Aug 19 14:12:08 heh Aug 19 14:12:10 mine doesn't. or maybe zhone is the bitch Aug 19 14:12:18 Give me your libs! *rawr* Aug 19 14:13:37 * torindel recompile qemu Aug 19 14:13:52 Dave, I now know why neod doesn't display any more menu for POW & AUX : their key code is now 22h & 23h (should be 74h & a9h) Aug 19 14:14:00 Because it sucks ass? Aug 19 14:14:08 rofl Aug 19 14:14:09 I still have to find why their mapping changed Aug 19 14:14:12 lollerkeycodes Aug 19 14:14:19 Because their software is crap? Aug 19 14:14:20 :D Aug 19 14:14:28 and buggy and leaky as a mofo Aug 19 14:14:30 Enjoy! Aug 19 14:14:47 Dave: what do you suggest? Aug 19 14:14:48 jonkristian: You could always try develeoping something like that yourself :D Aug 19 14:15:05 Flinx: ABORT ABORT! Aug 19 14:15:12 beni: Abandon ship! Aug 19 14:15:16 Wait... what!? Aug 19 14:15:19 GAH!! Aug 19 14:15:29 Jadams is hilarious Aug 19 14:15:46 rwhitby: So, does 2008.8 support the freerunner? Aug 19 14:15:52 yet :) Aug 19 14:16:22 Dave: why are you asking me? Aug 19 14:16:42 Dave: what build of 2008.8 are you talking about? I have it on mine... Aug 19 14:17:03 Dave, found the culprit : ME Aug 19 14:17:42 Flinx: :) I don't have the freerunner yet, won't get it 'til 15th september. But maybe. Aug 19 14:17:53 ahoi Aug 19 14:18:14 jonkristian: ahh I see... Waiting was the hardest part for me ;) Aug 19 14:18:23 PBeck: hello Aug 19 14:18:27 aah, think i crashed got up a windows saying "this is very bad" :S Aug 19 14:18:39 Flinx: :D Aug 19 14:18:45 hossi: what did you do 0.o Aug 19 14:19:01 hossi: did that happen when attempting to restart X, by any chance? Aug 19 14:19:03 Flinx, pressed the remove button Aug 19 14:19:14 asciiforever, no Aug 19 14:19:20 the x was running Aug 19 14:19:26 that's the only time i've ever seen it. just curious. Aug 19 14:19:58 leroutier: HAHAHA Aug 19 14:20:04 I can't say I'm surprised. :P Aug 19 14:20:13 asciiforever, do you get kicked out often when you have ssh to your neo? Aug 19 14:20:15 Dave, I recompiled neod, which thought I was using NEOD_PLATFORM_FIC_NEO1973 => gta01 key mappings Aug 19 14:20:18 What sort of naughtiness are you responsible for? :) Aug 19 14:20:24 oh hurr Aug 19 14:20:25 :P Aug 19 14:20:44 hossi: no, but i always set suspend to 'off' before i ssh Aug 19 14:21:25 asciiforever, I have the phone on suspend Aug 19 14:21:41 hossi: suspend is the only thing that's ever killed my ssh session... that and accidentally upgrading dropbear Aug 19 14:22:05 * SUNWjoejaxx wish the phone would not suspend if it was plugged into usb Aug 19 14:22:23 asciiforever, which dist are you running? Aug 19 14:22:37 Flinx: yeah, the hardest part is, that i can't wait. Aug 19 14:22:50 hi, i encounter an error, when insert a kernel module "FATAL: Error inserting XXX", what's the cause Aug 19 14:23:35 hossi: it's ASU... i can't give any specifics because it's an image that raster made some modifications to and shared last week Aug 19 14:23:46 seems this msg is not print out by printk Aug 19 14:24:08 asciiforever, I mean on you computer Aug 19 14:24:17 ohhh, sorry Aug 19 14:25:02 hossi: usually i'm ssh'd from windows. when i'm using linux, it's kubuntu Aug 19 14:26:16 WE CAN CHARGE IN STANDBY MODE NOW! GOOD JOB DEVS! Aug 19 14:26:38 hossi: you need to switch OFF the suspend mode ;) Aug 19 14:26:48 hossi: that will disconnect your SSH Aug 19 14:27:18 Torikun: YAY!!!!! Aug 19 14:27:24 Torikun: if the system is suspended, how does it control the pmu? Aug 19 14:27:35 well... Aug 19 14:27:37 the light is on Aug 19 14:27:40 and phone is standby Aug 19 14:27:45 Flinx, I have it switch off, but it feels arbitrary to connect with my ubuntu. Sometimes it works and sometimes not Aug 19 14:27:46 so it is a glitch or it works Aug 19 14:28:18 hossi: weird.. I've got no issues connecting it to my Debian Aug 19 14:28:23 actually wait... Aug 19 14:28:38 led on != charging, that's what the software uses to indicate, but all that the red led being on really means is that the software has turned on the led and not turned it off Aug 19 14:28:40 hello all! at first thanks for all the help already given on wiki etc.! however, there is one simple thing i haven't found out yet: how can i start minimo (or another browser if you can recommend one) loading a page specified via command-line? it seems as if minimo is not capable of doing this :-( Aug 19 14:28:41 hossi: have you set up usb0 as static with hotplugging? Aug 19 14:29:20 Flinx, dunno, I run http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/tick/Test_env_script_GTA02A5/setneo Aug 19 14:30:14 hossi: one second lemme find the wiki Aug 19 14:30:23 Flinx, thanks Aug 19 14:30:36 Torikun: i thought that was the same reason the battery can't be charged w/o the phone being booted - no way to control the pmu untill then Aug 19 14:30:50 weird on why the light is on Aug 19 14:30:52 hossi: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_networking#OS_or_Distro_Specific_.26_Automatic_Configuration Aug 19 14:31:11 I used the second script down from that link Aug 19 14:31:15 Torikun: disconnect the power and see if it goes out? Aug 19 14:31:23 that way every time I plug it in, the usb0 is configured ;) Aug 19 14:31:25 yup Aug 19 14:31:28 works really well on Debian Aug 19 14:31:31 and put it back in Aug 19 14:31:34 and it is chargeing Aug 19 14:31:41 hrm Aug 19 14:31:48 maybe it really is working then Aug 19 14:31:57 this is latest image with latest uipdates Aug 19 14:32:05 perhaps they added pmu controll to uboot? Aug 19 14:32:18 Torikun: I need to set up SVN don't I :P Aug 19 14:32:18 Torikun: which latest image? Aug 19 14:32:27 20080811 AntonTakk Aug 19 14:32:47 oh, bleh, i use fso Aug 19 14:35:35 Flinx, so I'v added the second script, can I run ssh root@192.168.0.202 now? Aug 19 14:36:00 SSH WORKS IN STANDBY MODE! Aug 19 14:36:07 Torikun: did you flash a uboot when you flashed that? Aug 19 14:36:13 or do I need to reboot the comp? Aug 19 14:36:19 o.O Aug 19 14:36:24 ... Aug 19 14:36:46 How do I correctly install the boot loader for a linux on the micro sd card? I tried installing grub on the micro sd card but it's not working if I try to boot from it. Aug 19 14:36:49 nope Aug 19 14:36:56 are you sure you aren't confusing the screen being off with standby? Aug 19 14:37:06 AntonTakk: I did a opkg-upgrade and I have it suspend 10 seconds Aug 19 14:37:12 I have the latest packages Aug 19 14:37:22 beh! Aug 19 14:37:29 * torindel shakes fist at qemu Aug 19 14:37:41 Torikun: touch the screen Aug 19 14:37:43 trying to get user mode working Aug 19 14:37:50 I have to push the button Aug 19 14:37:56 .... Aug 19 14:38:10 doesn't sound like it is actually suspending Aug 19 14:38:19 hossi: yes Aug 19 14:38:23 wait....toucngin ghe screen wakes it up Aug 19 14:38:28 :) Aug 19 14:38:39 you have it set to turn the screen off in 10 seconds Aug 19 14:38:47 Flinx, need to reboot? Aug 19 14:38:57 hossi: shouldn't have to.. Aug 19 14:39:14 hossi: did you create the freerunner script as well? Aug 19 14:39:37 Flinx, yes Aug 19 14:39:45 should I run it anyway? Aug 19 14:40:00 or just use the thing you pasted? Aug 19 14:40:49 xournal builds for fso ... Aug 19 14:41:03 xournal? Aug 19 14:41:38 hossi: Once you have the "# freerunner allow-hotplug usb0 .... " and the "/etc/network/freerunner" you should be able to just ssh root@192.168.0.202 Aug 19 14:42:09 I added the address to my hosts file so that i can just "ssh root@openmoko" ;) Aug 19 14:42:44 flinx: and if you edit ~/.ssh/config you only need "ssh om" ;) Aug 19 14:42:46 Flinx, I did the same, but @phone :) Aug 19 14:43:09 mosez: GASP!... thats not in the USB networking Wiki !!! :p Aug 19 14:43:21 AntonTakk: Dave and mmaestri were discussing it about half an hour ago. it took that long to build it (lots of gnome deps) Aug 19 14:43:29 how dare they not tell me of an even shorter shortcut Aug 19 14:43:34 flinx: but on every page depending on configuration for ssh clients :P Aug 19 14:43:42 rwhitby: ok, but what does it do? :-p Aug 19 14:43:45 srlsy? Aug 19 14:44:07 also, using irssi over ssh, so i have no scroll back buffer Aug 19 14:44:07 AntonTakk: first hit on google ... Aug 19 14:44:11 god... don't ever let me moderate the wiki.... I really -hate- how you have to cross-link everything >.< Aug 19 14:44:16 at least none I know how to use :) Aug 19 14:44:54 "Xournal is an application for notetaking, sketching, keeping a journal using a stylus." Aug 19 14:45:29 the best feature is that you can annotate pdfs Aug 19 14:45:40 flinx: http://nopaste.info/26856aaf76.html write this to ~/.ssh/config and you dont need the hosts entry =) Aug 19 14:47:34 xournal should be in the fso-* feeds in an hour or so Aug 19 14:47:43 :) Aug 19 14:47:49 mosez: that feels like cheating Aug 19 14:48:24 :P Aug 19 14:48:30 LOL fortune from slashdot: Any circuit design must contain at least one part which is obsolete, two parts which are unobtainable, and three parts which are still under development. Aug 19 14:49:16 :) Aug 19 14:49:30 woo, my phone boots normally again! Aug 19 14:49:39 congrats Aug 19 14:49:58 (except instead of the splash it shows whatever was on the screen when I turned it off) Aug 19 14:50:12 but still, woo Aug 19 14:50:19 yep Aug 19 14:50:21 it does that Aug 19 14:50:24 * Dave high-fives sevenhundred Aug 19 14:50:45 flinx: i like it =) Aug 19 14:50:50 ^^ Aug 19 14:51:02 AntonTakk: it must of been a glitch because no more charge on standby lol Aug 19 14:51:09 sevenhundred, what dist are you using OM2008.8 or another one Aug 19 14:51:13 :D Aug 19 14:51:21 hossi: how you doing? Aug 19 14:51:24 Probably not Aug 19 14:51:28 hey dave Aug 19 14:51:28 2008.Fail Aug 19 14:51:31 Torikun :p Aug 19 14:51:33 HauDyr: Qtopia Aug 19 14:51:40 Flinx, whating for the neo to boot Aug 19 14:51:44 *waiting Aug 19 14:51:52 Torikun, you would have liked Jadams' comment from earlier... Aug 19 14:52:00 explain Aug 19 14:52:08 ah Aug 19 14:52:11 now, to replace the keyboard for the swedish one again Aug 19 14:52:37 Torikun: does 2008.8 support the neo yet? Aug 19 14:52:39 and turn off prediction Aug 19 14:52:43 I was like :D Aug 19 14:52:45 lmfao Aug 19 14:52:50 he has a valid point Aug 19 14:52:53 It's SO accurate and hilarious. Aug 19 14:52:55 Exactly@ Aug 19 14:52:56 ha Aug 19 14:53:01 So I've gone and spammed the devs with that. Aug 19 14:53:02 I was just asking a question that I thought made sense :) Aug 19 14:53:05 I'm sure they'll appreciate it. Aug 19 14:53:11 haw Aug 19 14:53:13 I was an early adopter and I feel like I'm being screwed for it Aug 19 14:53:22 Jadams, what country do you come from? :) Aug 19 14:53:26 Dave, USA Aug 19 14:53:31 heh Aug 19 14:53:37 Alright Johnny boy Aug 19 14:54:40 jadams_: I'm using FSO on the gta01 Aug 19 14:55:26 so I guess neo is short for gta01 :p Aug 19 14:55:31 since the only people with gta01 devices seem to be outside of OM, I doubt that om2008.x will support it any time soon, especially since OM devs are now starting to focus on GTA03 eval boards ... Aug 19 14:55:37 cause I thought that gta02 was the neo FreeRunner Aug 19 14:55:51 rwhitby, I liked it fine, esp. for stability. I'm actually in progress at installing debian via the pkg-fso group's script...I already have it on SD, but without fso/zhone on it Aug 19 14:55:53 Flinx: they are all Neo's Aug 19 14:56:04 yeah, that was my fault...I've adopted that incorrect nomenclature Aug 19 14:56:05 some people say "neo" when they mean 1973 spesifically, but that's a misnomer Aug 19 14:56:15 jadams_: you've been able to get pkg-fso running on gta01? Aug 19 14:56:18 all Neo, all the time Aug 19 14:56:24 rwhitby, not yet Aug 19 14:56:30 rwhitby, I was assuming I would be able to though Aug 19 14:56:36 rwhitby, faulty assumption? Aug 19 14:56:41 SUNWjoejaxx: my point exactly Aug 19 14:56:44 I tried and failed early, but didn't give it too much effort. Aug 19 14:56:49 I'll give it a run Aug 19 14:56:54 I don't have anything on the flash right now Aug 19 14:56:57 so first flashing with 2007.2 Aug 19 14:57:06 rwhitby, is scaredycat's image good for the gta01? Aug 19 14:57:20 rwhitby, FSO wasn't giving me good stability on SMS...worked sometimes, but I can't miss those at all Aug 19 14:57:41 jadams_: I run http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ exclusively now, but I don't use it much as a phone so I can't talk to sms stability Aug 19 14:58:23 I've been focusing on gta01 gllin->tango on fso Aug 19 14:58:41 rwhitby, I'll try that sucker out then Aug 19 14:58:49 I've got nothing but time on this phone Aug 19 14:58:52 and have been successful in getting that to work by rewriting the nmea parse Aug 19 14:58:56 owned it for over a year and never used it as a phone Aug 19 14:58:59 never really been able to Aug 19 14:59:05 rwhitby, I want... Aug 19 14:59:07 :) Aug 19 14:59:29 I think I broke Hossi's phone... Aug 19 14:59:44 jadams_: it's the most recent commit in the fso framework repo Aug 19 15:00:30 it'll be in the fso-unstable image by now, and should be in fso-testing next week when mickey_away cuts a new framework sane-srcrev Aug 19 15:00:40 rwhitby: still got those dead gta01's? Aug 19 15:00:45 yep Aug 19 15:00:50 heh :) Aug 19 15:01:00 that's my spare parts cache ... Aug 19 15:01:07 :) Aug 19 15:01:15 everything should work except for the pmu chips Aug 19 15:01:18 Good, you might be needing to do another harvest :) Aug 19 15:02:06 * rwhitby hits the sack Aug 19 15:05:44 Hello all, I got my FR a few weeks ago and had gotten as far as connecting to it with USB Networking. Then I went on Holiday for two weeks and now back to it and USB networking no longer works:- "SIOCSIFADDR: No such device". At the time a few weeks ago I did an upgrade using ipkg and now the phone won't boot to the gui just a login screen so need to get a it networked to get some life into it. I'm using Ubuntu has anybody had similar proble Aug 19 15:05:44 ms. I'm still catchin' up on the mail list Aug 19 15:10:47 spam Aug 19 15:12:20 heh Aug 19 15:13:24 xournal me! Aug 19 15:16:56 moo? Aug 19 15:17:08 MOO Aug 19 15:17:26 * Dave sends Flinx Zorkman Torikun SIGMOO2 Aug 19 15:17:31 when i try to run the qemu-nep1973/openmoko/download.sh script it gives me an error saying openmoko/env file not found. how can i correct this? Aug 19 15:18:42 what are you dending me Dave? Aug 19 15:18:59 * kd8ikt slaps the bejesus out of gcwilson next trime he shows up Aug 19 15:19:07 :DDD Aug 19 15:19:11 I like the sound of that. Aug 19 15:20:03 kd8, how has he blasphemed? Aug 19 15:20:40 Dave: i guess too much in && out to the channel Aug 19 15:21:09 where have you sent me Dave? :) Aug 19 15:30:07 my /etc/resolve.conf are empty evertime I reboot the phone? Aug 19 15:32:40 can't I set a nameserver permanent? Aug 19 15:33:30 hossi: edit /etc/network/interfaces and add the line "up echo nameserver 208.67.222.222 > /etc/resolv.conf" after the gateway line under usb0 Aug 19 15:33:45 hossi: that will help with having a nameserver when connected to usb, anyway Aug 19 15:34:15 hossi: that IP is for opendns, by the way... you can use the nameserver of your choice if you want Aug 19 15:34:27 asciiforever: you type much faster than me. and this keyboard sux big time :p Aug 19 15:35:04 mmaestri: sorry about your sucky keyboard. :( Aug 19 15:35:38 that's ok, it's not mine. i'm at work :p Aug 19 15:36:18 mmaestri: fair enough. you should make friends with some higher-ups and demand better equipment. :) Aug 19 15:36:44 somebody know a cheap place to buy micro sd cards? (I live in europe) Aug 19 15:40:29 Dave, any ideas whats wrong? Aug 19 15:43:35 asciiforever, i can ssh to the phone, but I can't reach the net even after changing the nameserver? Aug 19 15:44:43 hossi: can you ping anything by ip address? Aug 19 15:45:17 say, 64.233.167.147? Aug 19 15:45:21 (google) Aug 19 15:46:01 asciiforever, no :/ Aug 19 15:46:55 hossi: sounds like your pc is not configured to share its connection then... has it ever worked before now? Aug 19 15:47:24 asciiforever, yes Aug 19 15:48:30 hossi: is the gateway for usb0 as listed in /etc/network/interfaces set to the IP of the pc's usb ethernet adapter? Aug 19 15:50:18 asciiforever, should I might remove the freerunner part? Aug 19 16:03:17 hossi: if you mean the "# freerunner" part then no Aug 19 16:03:50 hossi: well... you can... but its just a comment, so does't affect anything Aug 19 16:04:05 I have problems I have a FR that boots to a command line login screen has anybody had this problem Aug 19 16:04:18 how does one take a tangoGPS log and import it into google earth? gEarth won't simply accept the .log file Aug 19 16:04:52 Rupert_, did you try reflashing? Aug 19 16:05:35 I'm trying to get into it to reflash but can't USB Network to the FR I don't know if that's a FR or Ubuntu 8.04 problem so can't flash Aug 19 16:07:05 I don't think USB network is needed, you just run the dfutil, right? Aug 19 16:07:35 did you try running through the usb-networking page on the wiki? Aug 19 16:08:04 But given that I don't boot into a GUI but rather a command line terminal I can't input text to the screen even if I connect a USB keyboard Aug 19 16:08:49 I did the wiki USB stuff for networking and it will not connect usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: no such device Aug 19 16:09:33 hm Aug 19 16:10:05 i would just reflash, you should be able to boot the full distro Aug 19 16:10:33 http://wiki.openmoko.com/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner Aug 19 16:10:44 I think that my USB networking problem is a problem with the FR as the last lines in the FR on boot are "usb0 No such Device" Aug 19 16:12:29 break-free: have you looked at the TangoGPS homepage for the Google Earth stuff? Aug 19 16:13:02 Flinx_away: no, because I'm dumb. Thanks haha Aug 19 16:13:27 heh its not OBVIOUS... but it might be there Aug 19 16:13:38 http://psung.blogspot.com/2008/07/sharing-gps-tracks-from-tangogps-on.html -- this also has a thing how to share your tracks with Google Maps. Aug 19 16:13:58 break-free: http://www.tangogps.org/gps/cat/Documentation -- Tango Homepage Aug 19 16:14:19 Note that google essentially say 'yes we'll take your data, and you have no rights at all as to how we use it.' Aug 19 16:14:43 is there a script to easily download googlemap tiles that tangogps can use? Aug 19 16:14:55 Oh - right - not quite the same thing Aug 19 16:15:54 Flinx_away, I don't really see anything on the tangogps page that talks about importing the log file to gearth Aug 19 16:19:47 anyone know how to convert the tangoGPS log file to something that gEarth likes? Aug 19 16:19:56 break-free: I know, I didn't see anything either... but maybe that JOSM will get you closer? Aug 19 16:20:07 JOSM will load it straight off. Aug 19 16:20:15 I'm also writing a comment ATM - wait 1 Aug 19 16:21:20 yeah, JOSM looks interesting Aug 19 16:22:09 JOSM got broken by UI idiots that think it should be modeless. Aug 19 16:22:31 Now you can in some circumstances require three meta-key-clicks. Aug 19 16:22:38 http://psung.blogspot.com/2008/07/sharing-gps-tracks-from-tangogps-on.html Aug 19 16:23:04 (Though I still prefer it over the flash editor) Aug 19 16:23:44 what is JOSM? Aug 19 16:23:58 Java Open Street Map editor Aug 19 16:24:04 aha Aug 19 16:24:05 cool Aug 19 16:25:06 thanks SpeedEvil, looks like that script is all you need, pretty much Aug 19 16:25:25 It's not a script. Aug 19 16:25:49 Well - it is a huge collection of scripts and assorted stuff. Aug 19 16:25:59 And a backend database Aug 19 16:31:16 rwhitby, you said you got gps working on the gta01 with that fso? Aug 19 16:31:30 ! Aug 19 16:31:33 does anybody know how to use googlemaps with tangogps? is editing the url on the program sufficient? Aug 19 16:31:33 oops Aug 19 16:33:37 SpeedEvil, the convert2gpx.pl is giving me: convert2gpx.pl: line 22: syntax error near unexpected token `;' Aug 19 16:34:36 break-free: I haven't used it Aug 19 16:34:43 damn Aug 19 16:35:37 break-free: it's been a while since i used it but it worked fine on my pc Aug 19 16:37:25 strnage Aug 19 16:37:29 *strange Aug 19 16:39:19 meh, re-downloaded and it works Aug 19 16:40:25 <{mg}> Hey People! Anyone from germany? Aug 19 16:40:53 {mg}: yes Aug 19 16:41:01 {mg}, germans are! Aug 19 16:41:08 <{mg}> cool! Aug 19 16:41:13 <{mg}> im from hamburg. Aug 19 16:41:28 <{mg}> do you use a free runner? Aug 19 16:41:29 there are a kit if germans here Aug 19 16:41:36 yup Aug 19 16:41:43 <{mg}> im so frustrated with my symbian phone! Aug 19 16:41:45 {mg}: we ven made a ghetto: #neo1973-germany :) Aug 19 16:41:47 define "use" Aug 19 16:42:59 hi all Aug 19 16:43:05 llo cga Aug 19 16:43:12 yo Zorkman Aug 19 16:43:16 you can tell me how to use google maps with tangogps? Aug 19 16:43:28 nope Aug 19 16:43:35 :( Aug 19 16:44:12 how's gsm doing on 200808xx ???? i want to try asu better but i need at least a phone... Aug 19 16:44:37 <{mg}> can you use the freerunner as a modem for your computer via bluetooth? does it have umts? Aug 19 16:44:49 no umts Aug 19 16:44:53 only gprs Aug 19 16:44:55 cga, it's not too bad, I used it as a primary phone for a day or two when my other phone broke, it was annoying at times but it did the job Aug 19 16:44:56 but gprs if you will Aug 19 16:45:30 break-free, mmm define how annoying and/or working. XD Aug 19 16:45:50 i need it as primary phone since i'm left with none but neo Aug 19 16:46:23 {mg}, yes on the first question though Aug 19 16:46:36 cga, um, needs to be charged often, some text messages come in as "@@$%%(" Aug 19 16:46:41 but there may not be user-friendly software to set it up yet Aug 19 16:46:57 cga, often needs reboots Aug 19 16:46:59 <{mg}> no umts? hmm.. Aug 19 16:47:05 <{mg}> does it have a camera? Aug 19 16:47:13 no Aug 19 16:47:15 no camera Aug 19 16:47:18 break-free, fair enough.. thanks =) i think iìll wait or install it in SD Aug 19 16:47:44 cga, what are you running now? Aug 19 16:48:16 break-free, 2007.2 upgraded but now i get a library conflict and opkg can't resolve it Aug 19 16:48:48 break-free, at least 2007.2 "works" as a phone for calls and sms Aug 19 16:48:52 i think we already have ava J2ME, correct? Aug 19 16:48:55 cga, yeah Aug 19 16:49:33 break-free, i'm even thinking about qtopia but then i ask myself.,.. where's the fun going with it? Aug 19 16:49:40 Zorkman, at least somebody was playing with it here before... Aug 19 16:49:50 then http://www.mgmaps.com/index.php could be intersting, you can use yahoomaps for example Aug 19 16:50:24 Zorkman: you can always get j2se -___-; Aug 19 16:50:33 does anybody know how to extract the files from a .jffs2 image? Aug 19 16:50:39 on a desktop Aug 19 16:50:44 LuYu: look on wiki Aug 19 16:51:00 you need to make it a virtual mtd device, and yeah, search wiki Aug 19 16:51:45 what page? Aug 19 16:52:01 and learn to use search Aug 19 16:52:10 the boot from SD page only has instructions for .tar.gz images Aug 19 16:52:35 theres at least 2 pages that say how to extract and convert jffs2 Aug 19 16:55:08 Anyone up to speed with WiFI on FreeRunner? I _think_ I have a correct wpa_supplicant, but udhcpc keeps saying "No lease, failing". A FreeRunner failure or a WiFi router failure? Aug 19 16:57:12 ChristW: that sounds more like a wifi problem. i'd use a sniffer to inspect what's actually going on Aug 19 16:58:16 ChristW: ask wpa_supplicant ;] Aug 19 16:58:26 run it by hand with debug Aug 19 16:59:00 ChristW: wpa_supplicant -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -ieth0 -d Aug 19 16:59:15 ChristW: does the ap sends essid? if not change it and retry Aug 19 17:00:41 I go into settings -> wifi-> then press on the name of my network, but then nothing happens? Aug 19 17:06:59 A couple of things are strange... wpa-supplicant keeps on re-scanning, but the GUI shows the name of my network. I can press it, and enter a key, but then I don't get a connecton. Aug 19 17:07:09 iwlist scan eth0 also gives me the name of my network. Aug 19 17:07:41 hi all Aug 19 17:14:20 guess what...http://www.macnn.com/articles/08/08/12/flawed.3g.chip.in.iphone/ Aug 19 17:14:25 How do I get to the terminal in 2008.8 ? Aug 19 17:15:01 alephnull_, you have to download it thrue the installer Aug 19 17:15:06 surely apple will release a hardware fix to iphone users... Aug 19 17:15:56 ChristW, have almost the same problem Aug 19 17:15:57 hossi: Ah, so since I have done a ifdown usb0 in error, I presume a restart is in order ? Aug 19 17:15:58 wow, i was about to ask that Aug 19 17:16:12 interesting Aug 19 17:16:32 mmaestri: recently I've heard comments that the RF design looked physically poor. Aug 19 17:16:38 alephnull: If you don't have WiFI working... yup! Aug 19 17:16:39 mmaestri: on another channel Aug 19 17:16:44 so, if you have to use the installer to get the terminal, then how does one get wifi access Aug 19 17:16:47 alephnull_, restart your comp? Aug 19 17:16:48 (of the iphone-3g Aug 19 17:16:57 hossi: No, the phone. Aug 19 17:17:02 yes Aug 19 17:17:08 reboot your phone Aug 19 17:17:12 LuYu" Using ehternet-over-USB? Aug 19 17:17:19 they had trouble adapting the 3g chip Aug 19 17:17:30 ChristW: Are there any pointers on how to get wifi working ? Aug 19 17:18:00 alphnull_: Yes, but I'm not sure if they work or not... hossi and I are in the same spot, at the moment. Aug 19 17:18:20 seems that they used wrong test signals... Aug 19 17:18:25 alephnull_: Try here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wireless_Networking Aug 19 17:18:26 alephnull_: IIRC search the wiki for wpa_supplicant Aug 19 17:18:35 mmaestri: GPS + FR all over again Aug 19 17:18:40 ^ It sounds obviously untrue that a problem with chipset could definitely not be fixed with a firmware update. Aug 19 17:18:41 Thank you. Aug 19 17:18:51 ChristW, di you solve the "unknown"-error by deleting that catche file? Aug 19 17:18:53 cjb: that's overcooking it Aug 19 17:19:10 cjb: it's perhaps untrue, depending on the reason Aug 19 17:19:21 hossi: What unknown error and what cache file? Aug 19 17:20:57 ChristW, in setting -> wifi I got "unknonw" before, instead off on or off Aug 19 17:21:08 Oh, that... Aug 19 17:21:26 I used zecke's 'dev' packages. Aug 19 17:23:07 ChristW, about zecke where should I put zecke.conf? Aug 19 17:24:43 hossi: in /etc/opkg Aug 19 17:25:12 After that, a opkg update && opkg upgrade && make "A nice cup of tea" should work... :-) Aug 19 17:28:10 About that wpa_supplicant debug trace: Does this ring any bells? ioctl[SIOCSIWESSID]: Invalid argument Aug 19 17:28:12 Association request to the driver failed Aug 19 17:30:22 It also said: Authentication with 00:1d:7e:26:7c:4f timed out. That is the MAC address of my WiFi router. It is currently set on: Mixed, SSID: X, Channel 11, Encryption: Enable, SSID broadcast: Enabled MAC filtering: Off Aug 19 17:54:16 How are you gentlemen? Aug 19 17:55:13 What you say? Aug 19 17:55:40 :D Aug 19 17:57:14 Somebody (please!) set us up the WiFi! Aug 19 17:57:36 haha, you wish! ;) Aug 19 17:58:06 what? Aug 19 17:58:09 >.> Aug 19 17:58:17 jeebus.. what the hell did I miss >.> Aug 19 18:02:28 oh yeah, kd8ikt, you around? Aug 19 18:07:27 Hey haudry :P Aug 19 18:08:40 Lpotter, you around? Aug 19 18:10:41 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Image:RanaVectorMapOnBike.jpg Aug 19 18:10:42 * zash remembers that he wants source for his old nokia phone Aug 19 18:11:01 heh Aug 19 18:11:41 there's like 2 or 3 things i want to change Aug 19 18:12:01 nice Aug 19 18:12:34 srsly, nokia 3310. Aug 19 18:12:44 ooh la la Aug 19 18:12:55 Is that cooler than my N95? Aug 19 18:13:07 Nah... If it was a 3120, then yes ;) Aug 19 18:13:10 heh Aug 19 18:13:17 But it's a 3310, so it's a bit meh ;) Aug 19 18:13:21 :( Aug 19 18:13:26 ehrm... 3210, not 3120 of course :) Aug 19 18:13:32 *giggles* :) Aug 19 18:13:43 LEINIR Aug 19 18:14:00 I see you there, smirking in the corner! Aug 19 18:14:02 :D Aug 19 18:14:05 * leinir curtsies "Guilty as charged" :) Aug 19 18:14:11 You can't hide from me! >:) Aug 19 18:14:19 * DaveLab gets out the paddle Aug 19 18:14:47 Oh my ;) Aug 19 18:14:52 >:) Aug 19 18:15:01 BAD MAGIC NUMBER Aug 19 18:15:06 bad mojo Aug 19 18:15:08 Jozo: terve Aug 19 18:15:14 hei zorkman :D Aug 19 18:15:21 llo Aug 19 18:15:26 qemu didn't want to run rasters image Aug 19 18:15:30 Leinir, Qtopia question, though: I heard there was a new release out like two weeks ago friday Aug 19 18:15:38 DaveLab: have you got googlemaps for tangogps in your laboratory? Aug 19 18:15:39 but I've seen no such updates on the website Aug 19 18:15:58 Was this merely a fabrication, or is lpotter coveting it for himself, or what? :D Aug 19 18:16:10 Zorkman, gmaps? just the maps on the phone? Aug 19 18:16:16 DaveLab: 4.3.2-080808 is the number :) Aug 19 18:16:16 It's totally doable, if you really want to. Aug 19 18:16:28 leinir, I flashed that, but nothing really changed Aug 19 18:16:45 a couple more options here, and I heard the Internet Settings menu didn't freeze the phone anymore Aug 19 18:17:00 speaking of which, didn't we previously discuss this? ;) Aug 19 18:20:57 * DaveLab pokes Leinir Aug 19 18:21:09 * leinir murrrs ;) Aug 19 18:21:20 heehee Aug 19 18:21:25 i'm really just waiting for 4.4 :) Aug 19 18:21:27 * DaveLab strokes leinir's moko Aug 19 18:21:32 Leinir, so am I! Aug 19 18:21:36 DaveLab: I mean how to use google maps offline with tangoGPS, i heartd it isn't difficult, but can't find instructions Aug 19 18:21:39 (and a kernel that doesn't kill my SDHC card ;) ) Aug 19 18:21:47 I've been pestering lpotter about it, but he's all like, wtf, wait your turn! :P Aug 19 18:21:52 heh Aug 19 18:21:58 leinir, the corruption thing? Aug 19 18:22:15 zorkman, there are none - surprise!!! Aug 19 18:22:38 i will be even more surprised when someone tells me them :p Aug 19 18:22:47 DaveLab: Exactly :) It's a bit annoying ;) Aug 19 18:24:12 Zorkman, I assume if you find out you'll add it to the wiki Aug 19 18:24:22 leinir, worse than that :P Aug 19 18:24:27 jadams, you can't Aug 19 18:24:42 I will, exept when it is against the "wiki rules" since google doesn't like us using theur maps offline :) Aug 19 18:24:46 Well, you can, but there's some scrutiny surrounding that. Aug 19 18:24:50 Zorkman, huhu Aug 19 18:25:06 there's a questionable copyright violation there :D Aug 19 18:25:41 But I'm sure the danes don't really care about such silly things, do they? ;) Aug 19 18:26:03 yeah yeah DaveLab, it will of course only be a theoretical guide, not something anybody would really use.... Aug 19 18:26:48 I heard the Danes only care about Greenland Aug 19 18:27:30 *cough* Aug 19 18:36:38 bah, python memory errors :( Aug 19 18:36:59 oh I run upgraded with zecke's feed, pretty much Aug 19 18:43:30 mhm I recently got my neo... so i thought i might try the 2008.08 image. but where is the terminal in the 2008.08 stack hidden? Aug 19 18:44:17 Zorkman, Dave: so find another wiki to put the instructions on :) Aug 19 18:45:16 enaut, you have to install it from the installer :) Aug 19 18:46:00 lol but i need it to set up networking... Aug 19 18:46:09 enaut, no Aug 19 18:49:32 hm, does the ar6k do wpa2-psk? Aug 19 18:53:35 I'm trying debian+pkg-fso on the gta01 now, will let everyone know how it goes Aug 19 18:53:51 enaut: use the usb networking ;) Aug 19 18:54:18 almost everything you need is done on the PC side Aug 19 18:54:32 hmpf... something's using the alsa device on debian.. Aug 19 18:55:19 enaut: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Aug 19 18:57:03 hossi: how did the zecke work? Aug 19 18:57:21 Flinx: yes Im on that site... with the original software i simply set the dns server for the frerunner to my actual server that was working... however that is not so easy without terminal Aug 19 18:57:49 enaut, do it from ssh Aug 19 18:58:01 Flinx, yes, i got ip from the wlan Aug 19 18:58:15 debian wiki: Unlike on OM 2008.8 the serial port for gps is not /dev/ttySAC1 but /dev/s3c2410_serial1. Aug 19 18:58:33 but /dev/s3c2410_serial1 does not exist?! Aug 19 18:59:35 but I must say the keybad in 2008 is annoyin Aug 19 18:59:39 annoying Aug 19 18:59:45 y? Aug 19 18:59:52 ah u mean the qtopia Aug 19 19:00:00 no its not, its great. but not for terminal Aug 19 19:00:33 malik1972: shouldn't you talk to gps over dbus? Aug 19 19:01:56 enaut: right, you should be able to SSH into the phone Aug 19 19:02:34 Bish, it bad for the terminal Aug 19 19:02:59 I'm not sure why anyoen would need terminal from the phone... Aug 19 19:03:06 ssh seems a better way to do it Aug 19 19:03:16 to get usb0 down and eth0 up f.e. Aug 19 19:03:17 hossi: yeah right, thats what ive said Aug 19 19:03:30 lindi- i dont know, i followed the manual debian wiki Aug 19 19:03:44 Tanuva: moo? Aug 19 19:04:00 Tanuva: what is f.e? Aug 19 19:04:02 Flinx: the ssh session hangs if you ifdown usb0 while logged in Aug 19 19:04:05 Flinx: for example Aug 19 19:04:10 oh... Aug 19 19:04:13 gotcha... Aug 19 19:04:21 tihngs I haven't had a chance to do yet ;) Aug 19 19:04:52 although it would probably be a good idea to just ad the terminal to the -base- image Aug 19 19:05:15 * Tanuva won't install an image that doesn't have a terminal Aug 19 19:05:57 * Flinx won't ifdown usb0 while the FR is plugged in Aug 19 19:06:32 malik1972: well, you should :) Aug 19 19:06:32 and if you have it set up to hotplugged I dunno why I'd have to up or down any of the interfaces. Aug 19 19:06:34 you must do that if you aren't a routing wizard to get internet over eth0 working Aug 19 19:06:48 moo? Aug 19 19:07:08 explain plz? cause... i'm not picking up somehting Aug 19 19:07:09 because up/downing interfaces doesn't really work for me Aug 19 19:07:48 if usb0 is up and you want to get internet (= default route) over eth0, you have to ifdown usb0 to get it to work, at least if you do not know the routing code by heart Aug 19 19:08:10 O Aug 19 19:08:23 so... you take down usb0 while its plugged into the PC? Aug 19 19:08:30 Tanuva: and why not route delete default gw? ;p Aug 19 19:08:38 or do you mean on the device? Aug 19 19:08:39 torindel: because that doesn't help from my experience Aug 19 19:08:49 Flinx: no, that's what I need a terminal on the neo for Aug 19 19:08:59 aaaah Aug 19 19:09:00 Tanuva: then you can run dhcpcd or whatever and it will setup correct default route Aug 19 19:09:23 I'm trying to understand this cause I'd like to wet up WiFi later this evening. Aug 19 19:09:25 lindi- you mean deactivatinf gps for frameworkd? Aug 19 19:09:25 torindel: but I use static configuration - and the correct default route IS there, it's just that... it doesn't seem to be used Aug 19 19:09:34 although I might try to get Debian on the SD... Aug 19 19:09:35 Bish, get zecke's feeds and the keypad will be much much better :) Aug 19 19:09:58 Tanuva: ip addreses on usb0 and eth0? Aug 19 19:10:05 Flinx: that's no hard job. let the install.sh run and you're done Aug 19 19:10:13 torindel: different subnets :) Aug 19 19:10:30 Oh right.. speaking of SD... there is a "sql.lite.db" or something similar on my SD card. It seems to have been put there by something from 2008.8 can I delete it? Aug 19 19:10:36 hossi: , i dont have much time for openmoko, at the moment :(( Aug 19 19:10:47 Tanuva: I might bug oyu later for the install.sh. Aug 19 19:10:53 hossi: i even run the trolltech image at the moment :( Aug 19 19:10:54 Flinx: qtopia stores settings in it Aug 19 19:10:54 Bish, take time Aug 19 19:11:05 yeah i know, horrible Aug 19 19:11:05 Tanuva: then you probably didnt delete default route before setting diff one Aug 19 19:11:34 Tanuva: hrm.. thats going to be problematic for installing Debian on my SD... Aug 19 19:11:49 torindel: they existed at the same time until I deleted the second one.. but I can retry later, maybe it was just me :) Aug 19 19:12:15 Flinx: you can prevent isntall.sh from formatting your card, but then you need to partition by urself Aug 19 19:12:25 Tanuva: you can have 2 default routes, you have to delete one before adding another Aug 19 19:12:25 is "Dolfje" here? Aug 19 19:12:28 Who is "Dolfje" Aug 19 19:13:17 Tanuva: I can probably just copy it off, and then put it back later. Aug 19 19:13:35 torindel: then that migth been my mistake Aug 19 19:13:39 *have Aug 19 19:13:56 Flinx: yes, but later you have to put it on the kernel (the first) partition for qtopia to find it Aug 19 19:14:38 murgle.. Aug 19 19:14:47 hrmm.. a sticky sitcheeashun... Aug 19 19:14:48 it's not that complicated. :) Aug 19 19:15:26 really since I don;t have a working SIM a debian load prolly wont help much.. Aug 19 19:16:29 and one of these days... I'm going to re-write all the wiki's.... Aug 19 19:16:33 I swear.. Aug 19 19:16:38 *g* Aug 19 19:17:09 in order to do anything you have to read like 4 different cross-refferenced wiki pages ;p Aug 19 19:17:16 its a bit frustrating for noobs Aug 19 19:17:30 and vets Aug 19 19:17:42 I can imagine Aug 19 19:17:48 I'm somewhere between ;) Aug 19 19:17:57 maybe noob+3 Aug 19 19:19:01 hi all ! yeah, I got a sql-lite file on my first SD partition (without asking me) and it was named qtopia_db.sqlite Aug 19 19:19:15 yeah thats the one ;) Aug 19 19:19:33 Flinx I agree-- I have so many wiki pages bookmarked now that it isnt even funny Aug 19 19:19:37 Infoport: according to Tanuva thats where qtopia likes to keep settings Aug 19 19:19:52 Infoport: don't worry.. I'm trying to get onto the documentation team ;) Aug 19 19:19:55 no, thats where qtopia keeps it content database for the sd card Aug 19 19:20:47 hossi: so whats new, on your keyboard? u switched back to qwerty? Aug 19 19:20:51 ...? Aug 19 19:21:23 see now I'm confused.. cause Tanuva just said that it was where qtopia keeps settings. Aug 19 19:21:29 lpotter is qtopia supposed to find mp3s? I managed to get it to find my photos, but I put an mp3 on my FR to test it, and neither 2008.8 nor qtopia seem to automagically find it Aug 19 19:21:37 well, dont listen to them. :) Aug 19 19:21:57 but.. but.. i like Tanuva... Aug 19 19:22:03 Infoport: where did you put them? Aug 19 19:22:05 Flinx lpotter is providing the builds, so I'd believe him Aug 19 19:22:18 ah Aug 19 19:22:22 i do more than provide the builds :) Aug 19 19:22:28 oh? Aug 19 19:22:41 well tell qtopia to stop taking up space on my SD card :p Aug 19 19:22:48 Flinx: I must be wrong, lpotter has far more knowledge than me :D Aug 19 19:23:03 Tanuva: no worries Aug 19 19:23:18 Flinx: you dont want fast finds for your content on sd? Aug 19 19:23:27 I do. Aug 19 19:23:35 lpotter do I have to put them in Documents? I know I put it in /home/root/Documents (actually I think 2008.8 did find that after awhile) but I thought that it would be visible on the card too Aug 19 19:23:37 but I'm more interested in dual booting ;) Aug 19 19:23:39 than it needs to keep a databse Aug 19 19:24:10 although at this rate i'll prolly just keep 2008.8 Aug 19 19:24:19 Infoport: yes, or on teh sd. then in 4.3 you should run the devtools script that rescans the documents Aug 19 19:24:20 hey lpotter, a few days ago someone (can't remember who) told me to speak to you about my swedish keyboard for qtopia? Aug 19 19:24:21 Flinx you dont flash onto SD, just copy the uImage.bin over, so it can co-exist Aug 19 19:24:59 Infoport: well.. strictly speaking.. the dual booting wiki was talking about formatting the SD card :p Aug 19 19:25:01 sevenhundred: ok. Aug 19 19:25:32 which is why i was thinking about saving the DB elsewhere and putting it back after i get the SD card where I need it to be Aug 19 19:25:49 although extended ascii has been solved with 4.4 Aug 19 19:25:59 Flinx yes the card does need to be formatted, but your must be formatted already. I installed mine in a different order, and got the db later Aug 19 19:26:11 ah Aug 19 19:26:17 Flinx I think your plan to move it and move it back sounds good! Aug 19 19:26:19 Flinx: it doesnt _need_ the database. you must edit the Storage.conf file Aug 19 19:26:25 well formatted and partitioned. Aug 19 19:26:40 lemme make sure i read the wiki right Aug 19 19:27:15 lpotter: I see no reason to change it, I just didn't want to screw anything up trying to get the SD card to where i can dual boot Aug 19 19:28:48 Bish, it cooler, you can switch to a special termianl keypad Aug 19 19:29:02 got wlan working <3 Aug 19 19:29:19 yeah Aug 19 19:29:19 the Aug 19 19:29:25 hossi: yeah cool, ! Aug 19 19:29:31 i dont have wlan :( Aug 19 19:29:35 then debian install.sh will format the SD card. Aug 19 19:29:41 who thinks umts or something like that would be fuking cool ! Aug 19 19:29:46 VPN -> home! Aug 19 19:29:52 Flinx yes you would want more partitions probably. It turns out that you dont _need_ a kernel partition-- you would just have to change the variable in the uboot entry to specify the location of the kernel (rather than use the default in var \${sd_image_name}) and change mmc 1 to mmc 1:

partition# for

Aug 19 19:29:54 lol Aug 19 19:29:54 is there a bittorrent-client? :) Aug 19 19:30:32 Infoport: gotcha Aug 19 19:30:34 Flinx and if you have the original uBoot (never reflashed) then you need an update so you can boot right off ext2 instead of FAT Aug 19 19:31:18 Flinx btw, I think that the Boot from SD instructions are a prime candidate for "takes too many crossreferenced page" Aug 19 19:31:52 hossi: I found a CLI Bittorrent written in Python Aug 19 19:32:21 Infoport: yeah.. but I can't really do anything until I can get folded into the documenation team. Aug 19 19:32:43 Flinx: thx for your hints now i have it working :) Aug 19 19:32:48 I've been making minor wiki edits, for spelling and helpful notes.. but I dun wanna change anything big w/o discussing it. Aug 19 19:32:55 enaut: Awesome :D Aug 19 19:33:07 Flinx I put my 2nd boot on partition 1 & 2 (both ext2) then realized that once you are able to boot from ext2, you can put it all on one partition (and make the uboot entry more specific, instead of using the same variables for uImage location) Aug 19 19:33:18 there doesn't happen to be an #openmoko-docs channel does there? :p Aug 19 19:33:34 Infoport: sounds complicated. Aug 19 19:33:36 so my 3rd boot is on its own image, except for the file qtopia decided to throw out there Aug 19 19:33:53 Infoport: but then again, yesterday is the first day that i acutally did anything with my FR ;) Aug 19 19:34:45 Flinx not really much more complicated than setting up dual boot...I still mostly used the wiki directions, and the uboot entry there almost verbatim-- just one or two tiny changes (with help from IRC) Aug 19 19:34:55 Python BitTorrent Client http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-command-line-bittorrent-client.html Aug 19 19:35:12 what was the alsamixer i should use if the other party is not hearing my voice loudly enough? Aug 19 19:35:15 gotcha. Aug 19 19:35:30 Flinx one way or the other, you will already have to read 3-4 wikipages and do most of the work anyway Aug 19 19:35:57 lindi-: I think it was mic Aug 19 19:36:00 btw: i added a hint to the wiki that you can use the dfu-util package of interpid on a hardy ubuntu installation the original wasn't working on 64-bit Aug 19 19:37:35 lindihttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Adjusting_the_Volume Aug 19 19:37:43 Flinx good, I have only been making minor updates to wiki too-- I feel unsure about re-organizing without permission Aug 19 19:38:07 Infoport: you should join the documenation mailing list Aug 19 19:39:15 Infoport: I've actually been using nabble to read the posts http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-f681767 but it seems out of date. Aug 19 19:39:19 Flinx perhaps, although I currently have about 2000 messages I havent gotten to from the other lists Aug 19 19:39:53 Info! Aug 19 19:39:57 Flinx yeah I have read a lot through archive, b/c google searches it, and you can easily link to it Aug 19 19:40:04 Dave! Aug 19 19:40:13 yeah Aug 19 19:40:15 :D Aug 19 19:40:39 I wish the "digests" were more 1/day though. Aug 19 19:40:44 enaut: orginal dfu-util was working for me (64bit too) Aug 19 19:40:58 where does apt store the package indizes (Packages.gz)? Aug 19 19:41:23 I ran into an engineer at the pizza place/bar last night...impressed him with my phone (and I didnt even get to SHOW him most of it) Aug 19 19:41:49 I am DEFINITELY installing the alpha Gestures package (accelerometer!) Aug 19 19:41:49 Tanuva: it should. I'm working on another project where we have to create a local repo and thats where the indices are put :D Aug 19 19:42:07 Infoport: WHERE WHERE!~!!!! I WANT! Aug 19 19:42:23 Man, I'd like to impress engineers with my phone -_- Aug 19 19:42:24 Flinx: where's the question, "Packages.gz" was just some hint :D Aug 19 19:42:32 oh Aug 19 19:42:34 torindel: I don't know id just did not reply anything nor was it flashing anything :( with the interpid version everything was nice and smoth Aug 19 19:42:36 er.... Aug 19 19:43:46 Tanuva: /var/cache/apt/archive ? Aug 19 19:44:06 the downloaded debs are there, yes... Aug 19 19:44:13 but not the indices afaik Aug 19 19:44:39 or do they get merged into /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin? Aug 19 19:44:44 Tanuva: looking. Aug 19 19:45:05 it's pretty terrible Aug 19 19:46:15 Flinx, have you tried cli bittorrent? Aug 19 19:46:23 haha Aug 19 19:46:24 oh god Aug 19 19:47:26 hossi: Nope. Aug 19 19:47:34 Tanuva: http://pwet.fr/man/linux/administration_systeme/apt_move maybe this helps? >.< Aug 19 19:48:16 Flinx it is mentioned now on the bottom of the OM 2008.8 Guide. One of the GSoc people is doing it, and has a YouTube video of it (orientation works in the video too!) Aug 19 19:48:45 Flinx actually, it has it own page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gestures Aug 19 19:49:19 I have just created channel #openmoko-debian Aug 19 19:49:35 nice.. :D Aug 19 19:50:02 not sure why it's not listed in the channel list... is there a delay? Aug 19 19:50:27 Tanuva: it looks like /etc/apt/apt.conf might have the answers to your question also. Aug 19 19:50:28 Flinx, do you have the gps up and running? Aug 19 19:50:36 yep :D Aug 19 19:50:46 I just don't have any maps yet Aug 19 19:50:53 Flinx: pkgconfig isn't the problem for me, I'll take a look at apt.conf Aug 19 19:51:34 Tanuva: I know, but that link looked like it had pointers to stuff.. and things Aug 19 19:51:37 and bbq Aug 19 19:51:51 Flinx: eeehm. there's no /etc/apt/apt.conf here... Aug 19 19:52:09 <-- doesn't have his FR handy... Aug 19 19:52:21 find . - name "apt.conf" ?? Aug 19 19:53:07 d-a318:/var/cache/apt# find / -name "apt.conf" Aug 19 19:53:07 /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/apt.conf Aug 19 19:53:09 grml... Aug 19 19:53:36 >.< Aug 19 19:53:53 I only have google.. Aug 19 19:56:30 rawer.. Aug 19 19:56:59 I should set up my workstation to connect to my FR... Aug 19 20:02:47 I need to stop looking at the wiki... its driving me bonkers. Aug 19 20:06:08 oh... Aug 19 20:06:27 Tanuva: its actualyl calld /etc/apt/apt.config.d on my Etch machine Aug 19 20:06:50 on my neo's sid/lenny, too Aug 19 20:06:58 ah Aug 19 20:06:59 and on my desktop, too Aug 19 20:07:06 so .. did you find what you wer elookin for? Aug 19 20:07:06 (which is also sidux) Aug 19 20:07:18 I want lenny Aug 19 20:07:31 lenny has NFTS-3g concifigred.. Aug 19 20:07:41 no, didn't find out yet Aug 19 20:07:48 blah.. stupid keyboard. Aug 19 20:08:18 the actual error is: W: Failed to fetch http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-armel/Packages.gz Hash Sum mismatch Aug 19 20:08:27 on apt-get update Aug 19 20:08:42 but I can't find the hashsum it's comparing with Aug 19 20:08:49 s/with/to/ Aug 19 20:08:50 Tanuva meant: but I can't find the hashsum it's comparing to Aug 19 20:10:24 if I had to guess.. http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-armel/Packages Aug 19 20:10:49 no wait.. that just lists the packages with thier hashs... Aug 19 20:10:55 sure, it's there. but where does apt store the local copy I need to delete to have it redownload it? Aug 19 20:11:11 Tanuva: Greetings... you get debian running on your brick? Aug 19 20:11:28 Tanuva: Moo? Aug 19 20:11:32 mikef187: it already ran once and some zhone-startup-thingy got screwed, now it runs Aug 19 20:11:34 thats the best i got. Aug 19 20:12:17 wait... Aug 19 20:12:31 ok, A/C breaker reset, back to tinkering Aug 19 20:12:31 maybe.. the hash missing is what the problem is? >.> Aug 19 20:12:32 Flinx: there must be a local copy of this hash apt is comparing the package.gz or whatever to - that's what I need to find (afaik) Aug 19 20:12:37 so are you able to make/take calls on debian? Aug 19 20:12:44 Flinx: that maybe the problem, too Aug 19 20:12:54 mikef187: didn't try yet, I'm not using it as a phone very much :D Aug 19 20:13:02 I see Aug 19 20:13:13 tx for the info Aug 19 20:13:17 *g* Aug 19 20:13:26 Tanuva: I guess finding out if it hashes packages.tgz would be step 0? Aug 19 20:13:52 sevenhundred: the engineer *really* liked the GPS "for free" -- he said that most devices charged you ongoing for GPS service :-( Aug 19 20:15:03 Tanuva: I'm not sure if you heard I created #openmoko-debian Aug 19 20:15:04 Flinx: if I knew how to do that... :/ Aug 19 20:15:20 infoport: what?! how can they even justify that? Aug 19 20:15:24 mikef187: I was in such channel but noone else there, let me type /join once... :) Aug 19 20:15:34 mikef187: i'm not sure if such channel is good yet Aug 19 20:15:59 does anybody know how to view the dropbear key fingerprint out of the key file? ssh-keygen -lf gives an error Aug 19 20:16:39 sevenhundred I dunno...I guess you line up the cattle and tell them it is "normal" to be charged Aug 19 20:16:44 Tanuva: I know.. Aug 19 20:16:48 :( Aug 19 20:17:24 GA!H!! Aug 19 20:17:29 methinks I found it!!!! Aug 19 20:17:47 :O Aug 19 20:17:47 sevenhundred or he may have been confusing charging for the _maps_ Aug 19 20:18:45 Infoport: start server, use ssh-keyscan? ;) Aug 19 20:18:51 http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3084822.0;wap2 Aug 19 20:18:57 Closer... Aug 19 20:19:53 http://apt-rpm.org/options.shtml Aug 19 20:20:38 Location of main vendor gpg fingerprint list, normally /etc/apt/vendors.list Aug 19 20:20:43 from previous link Aug 19 20:21:30 and of course "gzip Location on gzip binary. " is freakin empty >.< Aug 19 20:21:49 lindi- I want to be able to check the key file I pulled off, while I am trying to sync it across distros (not just when connecting) Aug 19 20:21:50 that file doesn't exist... there are trusted.gpg and trustdb.gpg Aug 19 20:21:56 lindi-: I was in the restroom Aug 19 20:22:00 (which are of course encrypted >.<) Aug 19 20:22:03 I have about 5 years exp in debian Aug 19 20:22:46 lindi- ssh-keygen -lf says it is not a proper key Aug 19 20:22:46 gr. Aug 19 20:23:17 Tanuva: maybe backup the two files in /var/cache/apt/ and delete them from your phone? Aug 19 20:23:22 Quick question: I've built FSO with MokoMakefile, how do I get the rootfs as a .tar.gz file? The files in build/tmp/rootfs/dev/ aren't device nodes, which I think is givig me problems. Aug 19 20:23:54 Flinx: they are the index of the archive/, get regenerated after each apt-get update Aug 19 20:23:58 (just found out) Aug 19 20:24:12 and I already tried removing them temporarily Aug 19 20:24:34 oh? Aug 19 20:24:44 heh........ Aug 19 20:25:10 ssh-keygen says that line 1 is too long, and then mydir/dropbear_rsa_host_key is not a public key file. Aug 19 20:25:52 sooo... maybe try building a local repo with http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html#id2479903 Aug 19 20:26:06 that way you can make the hashes yourself? Aug 19 20:26:23 uhh Aug 19 20:26:43 very work intensive :D Aug 19 20:27:20 I'd rather like to find out what's really wrong there... Aug 19 20:28:00 kay... Aug 19 20:28:05 i hade this awesome terminal keypad from zecke's feed, after reboot the keypad vanished? Aug 19 20:28:21 erl_: does this help you?? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Acquiring_a_tarfile_rootfs Aug 19 20:32:27 cya when i get home :D! Aug 19 20:38:36 ts works only with "export TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/dev/input/event1" in debian Aug 19 20:39:40 mikef187: with xglamo you mean? Aug 19 20:39:41 where can i anchor this in the system? Aug 19 20:40:01 yes Aug 19 20:40:13 mikef187: i used /etc/init.d/zhone-session :) Aug 19 20:40:23 bashrc and profile didnt worked Aug 19 20:40:30 i also tried it there Aug 19 20:40:41 lindi: I'm not familer with xglamo Aug 19 20:41:23 malik1972: you also need symlink for libts Aug 19 20:41:50 lindi- sorry, i tried it in /usr/bin/zhone-session Aug 19 20:42:28 malik1972: there it won't help Aug 19 20:43:26 lindi- okay, i am rebooting for a test Aug 19 20:44:17 i should have set it to something else instead of the reboot:-( Aug 19 20:46:32 if the next Neo is to hold the stylus, it will have to be much smaller-- I think just a thin stylus, with a small screwdriver on the other end (for lifting SIM latch, etc) Aug 19 20:50:42 lindi- is the calibration okay in landscape mode, which xglamo u used? Aug 19 20:51:32 malik1972: yes Aug 19 20:51:53 lindi- i used one from the shr feed Aug 19 20:53:01 lindi- but it does not work properly Aug 19 20:54:52 the Gesture alpha is cute-- it handles orientation well, although I am having trouble consistently making left (vs left and return), right vs right/return, and "z" Aug 19 20:55:09 cute is the wrong word-- it is very nice! Aug 19 20:56:04 rotation is also cool Aug 19 20:56:20 rotation is really damn cool, yes :D Aug 19 20:56:29 has anyone tried the gestures on debian yet? Aug 19 20:56:35 :-) Aug 19 20:56:42 thats my next aim Aug 19 20:56:57 but for that landscape has to work properly Aug 19 20:57:08 that's what I meant-- oritenation/rotation. I think that it is usable for rotation, even if the other Gestures are not yet tied to actions Aug 19 20:57:09 i am searching for the right xglamo Aug 19 20:57:22 orientation Aug 19 20:57:41 malik1972: while you are at it, test the debian package Aug 19 20:57:43 nice! the moment raster packages illume for debian I'll install that - but I seem to be unable to get e17 running on x86, so I rather not try crosscompiling :) Aug 19 20:57:57 lindi- xglamo package? Aug 19 20:58:22 yeah landscape is kind of flaky as it is...doesnt put the screen taps in the right place Aug 19 20:59:35 when installing gestures i get a lot of erros Package accelges wants to install file /usr/lib/libaccelneo.so.0 Aug 19 20:59:43 malik1972: yes Aug 19 21:00:04 lindi- there is no one, i did an update, which feed? Aug 19 21:00:04 Tanuva: i managed to get e17 stable and svn work on x86 Aug 19 21:00:13 Tanuva: but the illume keyboard does not Aug 19 21:00:22 anyone have any tips for getting bluetooth to work under Debian/FSO? I find no devices with "hcitool dev" Aug 19 21:00:38 malik1972: http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/xglamo-beta Aug 19 21:00:51 works now:-9 Aug 19 21:00:51 anyone succeeded in installing gestures on 2007.2? Aug 19 21:01:12 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r776f7035636f 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ (om.py ubx.py): Aug 19 21:01:12 freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Apply warmstart.patch (thanks quickdev!) Aug 19 21:01:12 freesmartphone.org: This allows us to save almanac, ephemeris, etc. before powering Aug 19 21:01:12 freesmartphone.org: off the gps chip and load the data back afterwards, thus greatly Aug 19 21:01:13 freesmartphone.org: reducing time to first fix. Aug 19 21:01:13 i wont touch it? Aug 19 21:01:46 xglamo from alphaone's feed Aug 19 21:01:59 lindi-: yes, you gave me some howto compile e17, but I got errors when finally compiling e17 itself. maybe it was just a temporary bug in the cvs code... something directly related to it though Aug 19 21:02:15 Tanuva: probably Aug 19 21:02:41 Tanuva: missing LD_LIBRARY_PATH if you have older e installled? Aug 19 21:02:42 is there firmware necessary for the CSR bluetooth chip that I might be missing? Aug 19 21:02:46 does anyone have a figure on how many Freerunners they've sold? Aug 19 21:03:19 lindi-: no e at all on my system... just... hmm, I have edje_cc running, but that shouldn't confuse it. it's just that ... maybe... hm. I should remove that Aug 19 21:03:37 *g* Aug 19 21:06:05 yes :) Aug 19 21:06:18 does anyone have a stock image they can look in /lib/firmware and tell me if anything is in there (specifically, bluetooth chip firmware) Aug 19 21:06:36 my /lib/firmware is empty, and bluetooth doesn't work. Aug 19 21:07:00 anybody know where i can find libaccelneo? Aug 19 21:11:22 ab0oo: look in /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0 , make sure that power_on is 1 and reset is 0. Aug 19 21:12:05 power_on always returns 0, even after an echo 1> Aug 19 21:13:25 "echo 1 >" not "echo 1>" (the space is important) Aug 19 21:13:37 either way Aug 19 21:13:52 try this before yo udo that: echo 3300 > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/voltage_ldo4 Aug 19 21:14:28 works for me, although for some reason "echo 0" doesn't seem to turn it off again. Aug 19 21:14:31 still no love. Aug 19 21:14:43 check dmesg to see if it is giving you any hints Aug 19 21:14:45 I need to go fetch children from school. bbiab. Aug 19 21:14:53 neo1973-pm-bt neo1973-pm-bt.0: GTA02 Set PCF50633 LDO4 = 3200 Aug 19 21:15:02 about 6 of those. like I said, brb Aug 19 21:16:54 oh you need to reset the chip after the echo 3300 Aug 19 21:18:31 lindi- ping Aug 19 21:19:40 lindi- which fonts are usual for landscape mode? Aug 19 21:20:28 why would you want special fonts for landscape? Aug 19 21:21:11 tanuva: some applications do not start without them, Font 9x15 missing ... Aug 19 21:23:29 wheeee! I added to the OM2008.8 Guide, about hot-swapping a drained battery to fast-charge right away (really should be in "Getting to Know Your Freerunner, but there was a tip there about having to wait/charge drained battery several hours already) Aug 19 21:26:16 hmm.. is moving the tips on batteries a job for Documentation team, or should I just step up and move that info to a page myself? Aug 19 21:29:31 is there a subversion tree for the OM-2008 distribution? I'm looking through svn.openmoko.org for sources to the qtopia applications and can only find OM-2007 sources Aug 19 21:30:49 guess its only in git/monotone Aug 19 21:32:41 need some help with booting from SD .. do i need to do with this part of the boot entry 'fatload mmc 1 0x32000000 \${sd_image_name}\;' .. what is ${sd_image_name} Aug 19 21:34:05 lloyd_fedora you only need to edit the boot entry if your kernel is vfat and rootfs is ext2 Aug 19 21:34:12 (if your uboot is up to date) Aug 19 21:34:34 yeah .. kernel is on vfat n root on ext3 Aug 19 21:34:37 lloyd_fedora sd_image_name is a variable already set to uImage.bin (and the default is first partition) Aug 19 21:34:47 right click in debian? Aug 19 21:34:49 lloyd_fedora: I said rootst on ext2 :) Aug 19 21:35:21 Infoport: so its set by default to be on the 1st part Aug 19 21:36:13 lloyd_fedora well actually that command specifies it (mmc 1) Aug 19 21:36:18 new applications should be targeted towards 2008/qtopia, is that right? Aug 19 21:37:04 cool thanks Infoport n Zorkman Aug 19 21:37:29 np Aug 19 21:37:34 llo Chox, long time no see Aug 19 21:40:05 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r810eaabc8979 10/setup.py: Aug 19 21:40:05 freesmartphone.org: Add missing config files to setup.py so they get installed. Aug 19 21:40:05 freesmartphone.org: Thanks, Ainulindale! Aug 19 21:43:11 iperr1: fso if its phone aware Aug 19 21:43:32 no phone support necessary Aug 19 21:43:44 I'm just looking for the sources to applications running on the qt stack Aug 19 21:43:53 not immediately clear where to look, i can't find it in the svn repository Aug 19 21:44:20 lloyd_fedora when I set up a 3rd boot, I had to replace the variable in the uboot entry to specify the location. mine (boot from ext2 with newer uBoot) had ... mmc 1:3 ... /boot/uImage.bin (instead of \${sd_card_image} ) Aug 19 21:45:20 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rafe98b99d9cb 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/audio.py: Aug 19 21:45:20 freesmartphone.org: odeviced: fix import statement Aug 19 21:45:20 freesmartphone.org: again :-) thanks Ainulindale Aug 19 21:51:41 I'm trying to sort out the different distributions. Please correct me if I'm wrong: Aug 19 21:51:41 2007 and the gtk stack is more or less deprecated. Aug 19 21:51:41 2008 is an attempt to integrate qtopia into the whole software stack. Aug 19 21:51:41 FSO uses both gtk and qtopia, but is not really targeted to be a fully-featured distribution. Aug 19 21:51:41 Qtopia from Trolltech gives you a complete image, but isn't developed by openmoko. Aug 19 21:51:42 Debian is well, debian. Aug 19 21:52:07 which stack do the openmoko guys envision as being the "one" that everybody should be using/targeting for apps? Aug 19 21:53:00 i'm still using 2007.2 Aug 19 21:53:25 kd8ikt: can you get gestures running on 2007.2? Aug 19 21:53:26 mickeyl just came in to say it's FSO Aug 19 21:53:33 its pretty reliable with making/recieving calls Aug 19 21:53:52 Anyway, yes, debian is debian, and packages FSO. Running it now :] Aug 19 21:53:53 we should target FSO? Aug 19 21:54:12 nah Zorkman neod still steals/locks the /dev/input/event* Aug 19 21:54:17 is there any updates for 2008.8 Aug 19 21:54:41 well, the "problem" with FSO is that it doesn't force you into a widget set and high level services. it just defines and implements low level services, which gives you freedom, but not the cozy feeling of a full fledged application development framework. Aug 19 21:55:00 kd8ikt: but you can install it? it always give errors about /usr/lib/libaccelneo.so.0 Aug 19 21:55:06 maybe if you start the gesture daemon before neod/X starts Aug 19 21:55:37 i havent tried Aug 19 21:55:39 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rea95d8e6471b 10/framework/config.py: compute install prefix Aug 19 21:55:42 hmm, i see Aug 19 21:55:57 are there plans to consolidate the distributions and provide a unified framework for devs? Aug 19 21:56:00 http://pastebin.com/m43ca4b05 is the error i get kd8ikt Aug 19 21:56:06 good question Aug 19 21:56:07 tough question Aug 19 21:56:19 FYI -- I have a channel for debian on openmoko --- #openmoko-debian Aug 19 21:56:22 i have no idea about Openmoko's plans for that Aug 19 21:56:41 it seems pretty difficult to make apps for the moko right now since it's not at all clear where the team plans to go with all the different distros Aug 19 21:57:02 right now it looks as they only want to define the low level framework (FSO) and want people to explore every possible kind of direction on the upper levels Aug 19 21:57:17 couldnt hurt to make somethin that uses the freesmartphone dbus Aug 19 21:57:37 yeah, as long as you talk low level dbus you're on the safe path future wise Aug 19 21:57:49 but there's a lot of things to do on the application framework side Aug 19 21:57:51 or heavily clean/update zhone Aug 19 21:58:02 and i have no idea whether this is the plan of Om Inc or not. Aug 19 21:58:10 i've been toying with this UMAF idea Aug 19 21:58:24 http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Untitled_Mobile_Application_Framework Aug 19 21:58:31 but it might be a deadborn Aug 19 21:58:52 as most FOSS people usually don't have the patience to design and go for UI concepts and usability Aug 19 21:58:55 *shrug* Aug 19 21:59:20 i hate designing guis Aug 19 21:59:39 which i why i came hoping that there was some framework in place already for some distribution Aug 19 21:59:41 yeah. which is why someone who knows their stuff should do that once and for all widgets :) Aug 19 21:59:58 you can use Gtk+ now. Aug 19 22:00:01 or Qtopia Aug 19 22:00:24 that'll work in the meantime, i guess Aug 19 22:00:25 or EFL Aug 19 22:00:26 if that is enough of framework for you Aug 19 22:00:26 (it's not...) Aug 19 22:03:46 Zorkman, kd8ikt - I installed this Gestures oackage, and it seemed nice. I havent trained it, and so a few directional gestures were off, but rotation was fine http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gestures Aug 19 22:05:05 Infoport: did you install it on 2007.2? i always get these errors: http://pastebin.com/m43ca4b05 Aug 19 22:05:55 whynot just do a -force-overwrite? Aug 19 22:06:13 Zorkman, he says you can try on any distro, but he recommends 2008.8 (where I am trying it) Aug 19 22:06:38 that is, you can *try* it on any distro :-P Aug 19 22:06:58 here i'll try to install it with force-overwrite Aug 19 22:09:49 Zorkman weird errors...like it was already there. I'll be interested to see what kd8ikt gets from forcing it Aug 19 22:10:05 didnt have to force it Aug 19 22:10:26 kd8ikt and you didnt get any errors like Zorkman? Aug 19 22:10:32 nope Aug 19 22:10:50 installed cleanly but event2 is still locked i think thats why it wont start Aug 19 22:11:44 damn you gcwilson! Aug 19 22:11:59 fix your tubes Aug 19 22:12:03 kd8ikt, Zorkman: I'll have to look at its config files more, since the gestures are only proof-of-concept right now, BUT the rotation ability is great. It would be nice to enable only that part as a regular service (until the rest means more) Aug 19 22:12:32 sorry, I clogged the tubes (where is that internet plunger?) Aug 19 22:13:44 http://pastebin.com/d6c48ccad <-- found that on the mailing list Aug 19 22:13:46 unless you don't train them, the other gestures don't seem to work anyway Aug 19 22:14:00 so that's no problem Aug 19 22:14:54 great to demo screen orientation changing via accelerometers Aug 19 22:15:31 Tanuva: without training, I could do up, down and right-return, left-return reliably. The normal left, right, and Z were sometimes mistaken for others (still without training) Aug 19 22:16:02 Tanuva but I would like to make it not pop up notifications, so I can just do rotation Aug 19 22:16:13 although i was thinking of changing upsidedown to turn off the backlight and lock it Aug 19 22:17:00 kd8ikt that Gestures page also has a bunch of idea for use cases, including turn over and leave still as dim-and-lock Aug 19 22:17:09 Infoport: hmm, they didn't work for me at all, but I didn't try too hard anyway... if it's python code you could quite easily turn the notifications off... Aug 19 22:17:26 untill someones steals it caue its just sitting on the table Aug 19 22:17:30 kd8ikt the page says there is a bug with backlight though (dont know details) Aug 19 22:18:23 kd8ikt that's when MY event notifications tell me to get up and kick their ass! I would always be next to my Neo... Aug 19 22:19:44 kd8ikt if audio wasnt flaky, you could make it scream "Help! Help" if someone picked it up and didnt unlock or tap screen within 2 sec Aug 19 22:21:17 kd8ikt is that only part of your code? it looks like it ends with open conditionals Aug 19 22:21:32 it installed bu i adited the desktop file and it still doesn't show up :s Aug 19 22:22:01 aha, utilities.... but i specified it as an Application.. strange Aug 19 22:22:52 Zorkman it is prob better as a utility-- the Gestures desktop app is just for training it, and you have to run the daemon Aug 19 22:23:19 Zorkman I think too much is being put into Applications by default Aug 19 22:23:47 It doesn't seem to register any gestures... Aug 19 22:24:25 hexdump /dev/input/event2 gives me nothing Aug 19 22:24:55 oops...maybe it should yell when I drop it too. "Help help! I'm being repressed" Aug 19 22:25:08 :) Aug 19 22:26:53 * Zorkman is going to get some sleep, goodnight everyone Aug 19 22:52:18 FYI New channel for debian openmoko #openmoko-debian Aug 19 23:03:21 tha package that are in the installer in OM 2008 are the custom made for 2008? Aug 19 23:04:28 *the Aug 19 23:05:20 or aren't there "more" programs? Aug 19 23:11:23 ab0oo's words of wisdon: Teenage daughters are God's revenge on you for being a man. Aug 19 23:11:55 amen to that Aug 19 23:12:07 mmontour: are you still around for debian/FSO/bluetooth help Aug 19 23:22:05 openmoko: 03zecke 07holger/org.openmoko.dev * re18e8474bf16 10/ (50 files in 30 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' into holger/org.openmoko.dev Aug 19 23:23:05 jadams_: see /msg re gta01 gllin tango Aug 19 23:23:41 ab0oo: just poke at the "power_on" and "reset" /sys files until the device shows up. Try in order: power=0, reset=1, power=1, reset=0 Aug 19 23:24:03 will do. Aug 19 23:26:08 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rebce9f26ff05 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: and push srcrev for asu update. battery theme changes, illume internal fixes Aug 19 23:26:08 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * ra5997566bc76 10/ (14 files in 5 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev Aug 19 23:26:09 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rdc04f99d173a 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: ompower - try race cond workaround. Aug 19 23:26:09 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rcd11152b4fbf 10/ (9 files in 6 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev Aug 19 23:26:25 is there any reason why I should not use Windows to connect to my FR? Aug 19 23:26:35 you will open up a wormhole Aug 19 23:26:40 and the FR will likely catch on fire Aug 19 23:26:44 Flinx, depends on what you want to do Aug 19 23:26:48 just the same as all of the reasons you shouldn't use windows. Aug 19 23:27:09 Flinx: you can use vmware Aug 19 23:27:13 sevenhundred: just update it with stuff, I'm too lazy to change to my debian drive Aug 19 23:27:26 Flinx: use vmware ;) Aug 19 23:27:31 SUNWjoejaxx: I have Vbox ;) Aug 19 23:27:38 Flinx, I've found that dfu/util.exe works Aug 19 23:27:43 Flinx: usb host pass through? Aug 19 23:27:52 dfu-util.exe* Aug 19 23:28:10 as well as putty Aug 19 23:28:20 mmontour: no love. poke, poke, poke. I even added the "echo 3300 > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/voltage_ldo4" Aug 19 23:28:20 sevenhundred: I'm familiar withthe process, but wanted to check to see that windows wasn';t going to brick my phone Aug 19 23:28:24 twice for good measure Aug 19 23:28:42 Flinx, it didn't brick mine :) Aug 19 23:28:52 Oh good :D Aug 19 23:29:08 (I did that myself) Aug 19 23:29:26 hehe Aug 19 23:29:39 yeah I was terrified yesterday when I flashed it for the first time. Aug 19 23:29:47 am 3300 mV is the max you can set, according to the dmesg Aug 19 23:30:03 when it was over we both had a cigarette and enjoyed the afterglow ;) Aug 19 23:30:22 yeah, I flash my FR using linux in vmware and it works great. Aug 19 23:30:39 Flinx, yeah, me too :) A few days later I got hubris and pretty much wrecked NAND Aug 19 23:30:45 whooops Aug 19 23:30:53 well this is a temporary thing Aug 19 23:31:06 like i said.. I'm just too lazy to log out of windows Aug 19 23:32:03 might be easier though... Aug 19 23:32:44 yeah..... I'm not going to mess with ANother wiki >.< Aug 19 23:32:49 I brb Aug 19 23:33:45 ab0oo: only other thing I can think of is that you're missing some kernel modules, but even without that I think you should see something in dmesg when the device powers on, e.g. usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using s3c2410-ohci and address 6 Aug 19 23:34:10 I just booted back to 2008.8. I'll lsmod there, and see what makes it tick Aug 19 23:34:28 and look for firmware in /lib/firmware Aug 19 23:35:32 meh, 2008.8 uses a monolithic kernel. Aug 19 23:35:40 the only module is ipv6 Aug 19 23:38:22 Hm. opkg install gcc doesn't actually get me a gcc binary. Aug 19 23:38:37 well, it works correctly onder 2008.8, so it's not a hardware problem. Aug 19 23:38:42 that's good news Aug 19 23:39:03 cjb: you'll get borked gcc anyway that way even if you install all required packages -__-; Aug 19 23:39:13 torindel: oh, really? that sucks. :( Aug 19 23:39:14 heh, why would you want to compile on the FR itself? Aug 19 23:39:31 cjb: i.e. a lot of header editing required etc Aug 19 23:39:31 russellb: because it's easier than learning how bitbake and openembedded work. Aug 19 23:39:52 cjb: going to the dark side you are. Aug 19 23:40:06 fear not the openembedded environment. Aug 19 23:40:10 but I just have this 50 line .c file to compile :) Aug 19 23:40:23 * cjb heads towards the emergency cross-compiler. Aug 19 23:40:28 * torindel watches as catalyst produces his gentoo stage1 Aug 19 23:40:29 heh, yeah Aug 19 23:40:32 just download the toolchain Aug 19 23:40:32 stronger you will become, if you face your fears. Aug 19 23:40:40 no need for bitbake to compile one little app ... Aug 19 23:41:00 ab0oo: not feeling like I have the time to learn bitbake/OE isn't the same thing as fearing them :) Aug 19 23:41:04 download the toolchain you must. arm-linux-gcc is your friend. Aug 19 23:41:21 I find bitbake to be absolutely terrifying. Aug 19 23:41:28 stop speaking like yoda, you must. Aug 19 23:41:36 ab0oo: or more like failed idea ;] Aug 19 23:41:36 I arm-linux-gcc stuff all the time. Aug 19 23:42:31 it's a compiler and a verb! Aug 19 23:42:38 I still wish the oe guys would take notes from the OpenWRT guys. Aug 19 23:42:41 (idea failed or more like it was) Aug 19 23:42:51 the make menuconfig for openwrt is slicker than snail snot. Aug 19 23:44:06 * torindel >>> Emerging (11 of 57) sys-devel/automake-wrapper-3-r1 to /tmp/stage1root/ Aug 19 23:47:13 * torindel will have stage to share in the morning ;] Aug 19 23:49:02 cjb: it got sane gcc toolchain on moko if you want too Aug 19 23:49:37 are there plans when nex-generatoin openmoko-phone will arrive? Aug 19 23:50:20 openmoko: 03zecke 07holger/org.openmoko.dev * rca3a7f20820b 10/ (49 files in 30 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' into holger/org.openmoko.dev Aug 19 23:50:34 hossi: nex-generatoin? Aug 19 23:50:42 ;] Aug 19 23:50:44 next Aug 19 23:50:50 generation Aug 19 23:50:56 it will probably not be today Aug 19 23:51:13 ruskie, you say :o Aug 19 23:51:36 hossi: it will be better if they redesign it a lot before releaseing ;] Aug 20 00:05:13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsYFXGKUIpE <- hmm instant iphone killer ;] Aug 20 00:06:08 cjb: task-openmoko-sdk is in the shr feeds for fso-testing and fso-unstable Aug 20 00:14:12 openmoko: 03zecke 07holger/org.openmoko.dev * r183a0d6e4656 10/ (82 files in 50 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' into holger/org.openmoko.dev Aug 20 00:18:36 torindel: making a gentoo openmoko image? Aug 20 00:21:27 kd8ikt: yep Aug 20 00:22:53 kd8ikt: any idea if we could put that on download.openmoko.org? ;] Aug 20 00:23:12 could just make a torrent Aug 20 00:23:49 torrents falis if no one seeds Aug 20 00:23:56 fails* Aug 20 00:24:17 plus always after some time no one does -_- Aug 20 00:24:23 any X11 crap? Aug 20 00:24:36 or gsm Aug 20 00:24:40 torindel, depending on the traffic/mo it would draw, i can host it Aug 20 00:26:37 dunno how one goes about adding it to openmoko's download site Aug 20 00:27:05 sexual favours perhaps Aug 20 00:27:14 heh Aug 20 00:27:24 gas grass or ass Aug 20 00:30:36 i still prefer the torrent idea Aug 20 00:30:51 kd8ikt: i'll make packages for kdrive too and some fso stuff at least Aug 20 00:30:51 torrents are annoying Aug 20 00:33:29 i cant say i ever liked catalyst Aug 20 00:33:39 kd8ikt: me neither Aug 20 00:33:53 esp since it requires stage to build another stage Aug 20 00:34:33 like it couldnt use what you actually have Aug 20 00:34:36 i messed with it a number of times all ended up in fail Aug 20 00:35:36 and docs are next to on existent Aug 20 00:36:15 * torindel doesnt read docs anyway if he doesnt need to Aug 20 00:38:28 * ljp yaaaaawns Aug 20 00:39:54 * mikef187 yup... ummmhmmm Aug 20 00:41:37 mikef187: ? ;] Aug 20 00:43:14 Has anyone here tried Debian on the FR? Any comments on how well it worked/didn't work? Aug 20 00:43:53 worked great but the zhone/freesmartphone didnt really make/recieve calls for me Aug 20 00:43:59 Quite a few people have... there is a room Aug 20 00:44:11 #openmoko-debian Aug 20 00:44:57 mikef187: Oh, right. I'd forgotten about that. Aug 20 00:45:08 haha I just started it today Aug 20 00:45:25 mikef187: I'd seen a reference to it somewhere... Aug 20 00:45:55 probably me blathering it at the mouth about it Aug 20 00:46:29 blather away! Aug 20 00:47:03 is it just me or is the wifi in the neo really bad? Aug 20 00:47:28 in what way? Aug 20 00:48:14 raster: lets start with antena and signal quality ;] Aug 20 00:48:26 high ping times for example (if I ping my gateway I have 80 + ms) Aug 20 00:48:29 aaah Aug 20 00:48:34 signal quality... Aug 20 00:48:50 well the signal quality reported by the kernel drivers is pretty bogus to start with Aug 20 00:48:56 in fact i'd just ignore it Aug 20 00:49:20 geez the calypso is buggy Aug 20 00:49:21 BUT actualy "my connectin stops working in the room next to my AP on my R< but works just fine with my laptop" Aug 20 00:49:29 is a good way to measure :) Aug 20 00:49:36 ljp: you don't say! Aug 20 00:49:37 :) Aug 20 00:49:55 and I had some problems downloading, seems to be better now Aug 20 00:49:56 even buggier than the greenphones modem Aug 20 00:49:59 how about having to reboot if you try to reconnect to an AP after suspending with (at least for me, with ASU) Aug 20 00:50:15 ljp: maybe should have kept the greenphone! :) Aug 20 00:50:38 stevenSn: doesnt surprise me :) Aug 20 00:50:48 i dont bother with the wifi actually Aug 20 00:51:01 its mostly useless as i have nothing that uses it really Aug 20 00:51:10 and its too much trouble to get it to work Aug 20 00:51:12 :) Aug 20 00:52:25 I got it to work rather easily Aug 20 00:53:24 raster: naa. the gp has its own problems. biggest one is being stuck at 2.4.19 Aug 20 00:53:35 because of the mDoc Aug 20 00:53:53 ljp: oooh. really? Aug 20 00:53:56 thats not good Aug 20 00:54:22 ljp: what's the mDoc? Aug 20 00:54:56 disk on chip Aug 20 00:55:33 ljp: you never were given source? Aug 20 00:55:39 or u just dont want to port? Aug 20 00:56:07 proprietary Aug 20 00:56:32 and the version in the kernel isn;t the one we need Aug 20 00:59:34 wait... Aug 20 00:59:44 a vendor supplid the kernel for you Aug 20 01:00:03 and thus to access flash - you need to use their modified/custom driver. right? Aug 20 01:00:17 is this driver a module or compiled into the kernel? Aug 20 01:00:21 hm while doing opkg upgrade every package gives a md5 mismatch error Aug 20 01:00:25 if compiled in.. you SHOULD have source Aug 20 01:00:35 if you don't - it'd be a gpl violation i think Aug 20 01:01:00 if you have source - it can be ported to a newer kernel - just a matter of work. Aug 20 01:01:44 if its a module - and you hsve some prioprietary bootloader that loads he kernel image and an initrd that contains the mdoc driver module - then..you'e in a bit of trouble Aug 20 01:02:53 " * Package kernel-modules md5sum mismatch. Either the opkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'opkg update'." hm any way to fix this (opkg update doesn't work ;) Aug 20 01:03:33 raster: ya, that last one sounds like it Aug 20 01:03:41 ewww! Aug 20 01:03:57 run the md5sums an see if they are good then report back Aug 20 01:03:58 so that means u'd have to reverse-enineer the binary module Aug 20 01:03:59 we even had to have them modify the bootloader because of a violation Aug 20 01:03:59 possible Aug 20 01:04:02 but painful Aug 20 01:05:23 ljp: any reason they wouldnt supply source? Aug 20 01:05:30 they couldnt Aug 20 01:06:01 they licensed/took/stole it from someone else? Aug 20 01:06:08 M-Systems would not let them Aug 20 01:06:09 (who restricted source)? Aug 20 01:06:18 :) Aug 20 01:06:18 m-systems Aug 20 01:06:39 ahathe flash disk maker Aug 20 01:06:47 the flash disk maker - i mean Aug 20 01:07:03 so m-systems wrote a driver and released binaries only. Aug 20 01:07:30 where are the md5 files to compare to what I downloaded linuxxr ? Aug 20 01:07:32 * raster makes mental notes - never do business with m-systems Aug 20 01:07:56 they need to be right there Aug 20 01:08:30 m-systems was bought by sandisk Aug 20 01:08:41 roh said they were there a week ago Aug 20 01:08:56 2008.8? Aug 20 01:10:11 ljp: oooh. moe mental notes Aug 20 01:10:14 more Aug 20 01:10:46 has anyone tried to use the gdb in opkg to debug a thumb application ? Aug 20 01:11:06 http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/ Aug 20 01:11:10 for some reason it always crashes as soon as it enters thumb mode, but only in gdb Aug 20 01:11:27 Pjj u using qtopia? Aug 20 01:11:36 ace--: thumbs up! Aug 20 01:11:42 no 2007.2 linuxxr Aug 20 01:12:18 dangit not there Aug 20 01:12:29 ace--: What do you mean by a thumb app? I had gdb running on qtmail yesterday with 2008.8 and was able to use my fingers to select things Aug 20 01:12:53 stevenSn: using the arm "thumb" instruction set extensions Aug 20 01:13:14 if you switch to thumb all instructions are 16 bit instead of 32 bit Aug 20 01:13:17 stevenSn: it's a smaller instruction set within ARM.. 28 bits ore something Aug 20 01:13:21 (meant to allow for much smaller code sizes as the instruction opcodes are smaller) Aug 20 01:13:28 * stevenSn sees Aug 20 01:13:44 (ok, 16 bits, apparently. *sigh* Been a while since I read the ARM ARM.) Aug 20 01:14:02 armless Aug 20 01:23:08 raster: do you know whether openmoko uses the qte, qte-mt or qte-mt-static recipe from OE? I need to set the PREFERRED_PROVIDER to get rid of a warning message. Aug 20 01:23:12 raster, congratulations on seemingly having the only wm that supports having multiple workspaces between 2 screens that change independent of each other (which is to say, i switched to e17) Aug 20 01:24:24 rwhitby: uggh. dont know. zecke should Aug 20 01:24:48 ieatlint: :) thats ben standard in e17 ever since... Aug 20 01:24:58 i wouldnt consider it any other way! Aug 20 01:25:15 yeah, it always bothered me... it seems so intuitive that way Aug 20 01:26:43 i know Aug 20 01:29:53 im almost ready to use qtopia Aug 20 01:29:59 hi raster Aug 20 01:30:12 rasters image work well? Aug 20 01:30:28 ? Aug 20 01:30:30 ? Aug 20 01:30:37 no. dont use Qtopia. you'll think your using a phone Aug 20 01:31:07 dangit mang Aug 20 01:31:28 so...anyone else have a long wait period before the qtopia apps run fast enough to use as a phone? Aug 20 01:32:10 ljp: and delete X and talk to gsm modem directly to call like the real mans do Aug 20 01:32:18 rooly u got qtopia on sdcard? Aug 20 01:32:23 no Aug 20 01:32:25 flashed in Aug 20 01:32:26 qtopia already deleted X :) Aug 20 01:32:37 dont need no stinkin' X Aug 20 01:32:48 hacker Aug 20 01:32:55 I'm still waiting for ncurses phone Aug 20 01:32:56 yeah, like that movie from the 90's Aug 20 01:33:19 with the oil tanker and the 3d filesystem browser... Aug 20 01:33:49 so if i mount qtopia on sd am i gonna have to deal with floating mount points an such? Aug 20 01:34:10 ljp: open minicom to gsm modem and feel the powah under your fingers ;] Aug 20 01:34:14 * rooly got his 8-gigger in Aug 20 01:34:42 so u can tare up an 8 gig Aug 20 01:35:03 actually, i was gonna use it to download the entire world from OSM Aug 20 01:35:09 and then put 5 gigs of music Aug 20 01:35:23 anyone have navit running on fso-testing ? Aug 20 01:36:30 the sdcard needs to be ext3 to put music on rooly? Aug 20 01:36:40 of fat? Aug 20 01:36:54 fat will work out of the box Aug 20 01:36:55 MichaelShiloh: yo yo! Aug 20 01:36:59 ext is for booting Aug 20 01:37:03 oo Aug 20 01:39:36 raster: i'm about to try your image of 8/15 Aug 20 01:39:58 even if I download something like this : opkg install http://www.tangogps.org/downloads/tangogps_0.9.2-r1_armv4t.ipk it gives me an md5 missmatch error, anyway to just force to install it? Aug 20 01:41:05 i so need to actually make a good image Aug 20 01:41:14 that is just "what i'm working on" Aug 20 01:41:31 can anyone here give me hints on what I could do to fix the echo problem? I have a gta01 Aug 20 01:42:03 jadams: turn down the Mic2 gain, and shout. Aug 20 01:42:19 mmontour, I'll give it a shot Aug 20 01:43:55 I'm not aware of a real fix for the problem - for now it's a trade-off between low echo, and being able to hear each other talking. Aug 20 01:45:40 mmontour, is that mic side? Aug 20 01:46:00 is there any known open source echo cancellation routine? Aug 20 01:46:15 nm Aug 20 01:46:16 http://www.rowetel.com/ucasterisk/oslec.html Aug 20 01:46:33 jadams: did you find the python patches for gta01 fso gllin tango? Aug 20 01:47:07 waiiiit a second Aug 20 01:47:19 hipitihop: navit is in the fso-testing and fso-unstable feeds, but I haven't tried it. Aug 20 01:47:21 OSLEC is line echo canceller, hence the LEC part Aug 20 01:47:31 not an acoustic echo canceller ... Aug 20 01:48:18 russellb, sorry, right Aug 20 01:48:28 normally the audio path is analog only, but it might be possible to route it through ADC/DAC to process it digitally. would add some latency though. Aug 20 01:48:32 rwhitby, nope, if you messaged me it was my machine at work Aug 20 01:48:40 jadams: no need to be sorry, just trying to be helpful :) Aug 20 01:48:59 jadams: fso trac tickets 49 and 50 Aug 20 01:49:01 rwhitby, do the patches make the gps Just Work in fso-testing? Aug 20 01:49:04 though now you have me wondering who distributes an acoustic echo can ... Aug 20 01:49:09 jadams: yes Aug 20 01:49:15 i've never actually needed one for one of my projects .. Aug 20 01:49:44 rwhitby, awesome Aug 20 01:49:44 * rwhitby tries to remember why he was trying to compile python-pygame yesterday, cause mickey fixed it overnight ... Aug 20 01:49:46 rwhitby, yes I have installed from testing, and it loads fine, but do not get any gps signals. this may not be navit's problem though as I don't think I have managed to get nything with gps running on my gta02 Aug 20 01:50:15 hipitihop: does the zhone gps app show you anything? Aug 20 01:51:06 rwhitby, where's the fso trac? docs.openmoko.org? Aug 20 01:51:24 * rockstar is sad to see the most recent firmware seems to be mating everything uglier Aug 20 01:51:25 rwhitby, arg nm Aug 20 01:51:31 s/mating/making Aug 20 01:51:52 sdebian Aug 20 01:52:00 rockstar: which firmware? Aug 20 01:52:22 hipitihop: you should be able to see gypsy dbus signals using dbus-monitor --system Aug 20 01:52:42 jadams: that's also how you can tell whether gps is working on gta01 after the patches Aug 20 01:53:22 * rwhitby adds openvpn and python-pygame to task-openmoko-feed Aug 20 01:53:35 rwhitby, so if it's still not working, it's broken hardware? Aug 20 01:53:49 rwhitby, I was able to see satellites before, 2007.2-era, but never got a lock Aug 20 01:54:17 im going to laugh if debian works out of the box Aug 20 01:54:30 torindel, 2008.08 Aug 20 01:55:00 jadams: it works well here. very first lock takes a long time, but gllin saves some .DAT files for quicker first lock after that and then it's very fast. Aug 20 01:55:19 linuxxr: its not fun if something works out of the box ;] Aug 20 01:55:40 specialy debian Aug 20 01:55:45 rwhitby, I wasn't able to get debian pkg-fso working with the gta01 Aug 20 01:56:06 for me clean first lock takes about 140 seconds with sdcard Aug 20 01:56:15 jadams: glad I didn't waste my time then :-) Aug 20 01:56:40 Running cdebootstrap to install th Aug 20 01:56:40 I: Can't find keyring debian-archive- Aug 20 01:56:40 P: Retrieving Release Aug 20 01:56:40 P: Retrieving Release.gpg Aug 20 01:56:41 W: Couldn't validate Release! Aug 20 01:56:43 P: Parsing Release Aug 20 01:56:54 jadams: one thing - mickey|zzZZzz tests FSO on a gta01, so that's why I have good confidence that fso will be the best distro for the gta01 long term. I expect all other distros will eventually ignore it. Aug 20 01:56:59 i hope thats not a problem Aug 20 01:57:08 (since no-one at OM seems to have a GTA01) Aug 20 01:57:37 rwhitby, Which is amazing. Aug 20 01:58:05 i juxt bought a 2 gig since im so goods at trashing things Aug 20 01:58:25 if you had a plentiful supply of gta02, and gta02 eval boards arriving, why would you keep gta01's around as a distraction ? Aug 20 01:58:33 gta03 eval boards I mean Aug 20 01:58:59 I would consider a gta03 if it were an armv5 Aug 20 01:59:07 rwhitby, I'd keep them around, to ensure my new software still ran on them. Aug 20 01:59:09 camera & etc? enh, not worth it really Aug 20 01:59:24 KenYoung: yah, you'd think QA at least would keep a few Aug 20 01:59:32 a business can't afford to do that Aug 20 02:00:02 openmoko is not your regular open source project, it's a business that needs to make money in some timeframe Aug 20 02:00:09 rwhitby: they'd manage to afford it if they had 100k's of them in the field that they were supposed to be supporting Aug 20 02:00:22 pjz: I disagree. Aug 20 02:00:46 they better get to ironing if they want the masses to get onboard Aug 20 02:00:48 rwhitby, did you try pkg-fso with vfat? I didn't have to do vfat for my old debian, but I tried anyway Aug 20 02:00:54 got bad magic number errors Aug 20 02:00:59 what was your mode of failure? Aug 20 02:01:00 jadams: I went straight to ext2 Aug 20 02:01:10 rwhitby, sorry had to go outside to verify... yes zhone whos about 5 staelites and managed to get tangoGps going now. no luck in nabit Aug 20 02:01:14 rwhitby: really? you think apple has any 2G iPhones around? Aug 20 02:01:17 actually, I had a typo in my rootfstype, and didn't bother going further :-) Aug 20 02:01:19 s/nabit/navit Aug 20 02:01:26 I started off ext2 I'm assuming, I think that's what I formatted it for for debian the first time Aug 20 02:01:58 pjz: apple has a different motivation to support 2g iphones compared to OM's motivation to support a measly number of gta01's in the field Aug 20 02:02:45 * hipitihop is happy to see any gps working on his gta02 now. time to get some work done Aug 20 02:02:51 Does anyone know how many gta01s were sold? I heard 5,000. Aug 20 02:02:52 rwhitby: righ, which is what I meant when I said that OM would manage to afford to keep a few GTA01s around if they had hundreds of thousands of them in the field they wanted to keep supporting Aug 20 02:03:11 OM should offer a program to trade in gta01s for a discount on the FR, just to get some units for dev/testing Aug 20 02:03:14 rwhitby: as it is, I can't really fault them much for not paying a lot of attention Aug 20 02:03:20 pjz: ah, yes if they had that many in the field it might make a difference Aug 20 02:03:43 anyone know what total number of GTA01s produced was? Aug 20 02:04:25 need to know Aug 20 02:04:38 basis Aug 20 02:04:54 no need to know Aug 20 02:05:21 linuxxr: why would that be need-to-know? Aug 20 02:05:33 less than 10K I would expect Aug 20 02:05:52 * pjz is mostly interested in how many GTA02s relative to GTA01s have been/are being made Aug 20 02:06:11 because the poor treatment of the GTA01 may herals the same for the GTA02 upon GTA03 release Aug 20 02:06:21 s/herals/herald/ Aug 20 02:06:22 pjz meant: because the poor treatment of the GTA01 may herald the same for the GTA02 upon GTA03 release Aug 20 02:06:37 y yae Aug 20 02:06:43 apt: thanks Aug 20 02:06:43 my pleasure, pjz Aug 20 02:06:53 does anyone know if FSO has plans to provide an API for merging calls? Seems not to refuse multiple calls when I look at the API, but also I couldn't initialize two at once I noticed :) Aug 20 02:07:07 not that I expect to any time soon, just curious if it's being planned for with the API spec rollout Aug 20 02:07:33 Any python-efl guys around? Aug 20 02:07:36 how big is the debian install? Aug 20 02:07:58 linuxxr: apparently it just fits on the 512MB card Aug 20 02:08:05 ooo Aug 20 02:08:10 thats big Aug 20 02:08:50 if it works ok i might flash it Aug 20 02:08:53 naaa Aug 20 02:09:12 jadams: I didn't think a single SIM could initiate two individual calls Aug 20 02:09:34 pjz, maybe it can't, in which case meh...my question can be ignored either way :) Aug 20 02:09:57 pjz, I was under the impression the iphone, for instance, could do that no prob Aug 20 02:10:05 jadams: though I guess there's the "3-way calling" thing... hrm Aug 20 02:10:22 latest openmoko kernel has the following compile error: arch/arm/mach-s3c2410/built-in.o:(.data+0x129c): undefined reference to `ts_filter_median_api' Aug 20 02:10:27 oy... Aug 20 02:10:32 jadams: I'd bet there's a special way to initiate a 2nd call with the telco doing the channel merging Aug 20 02:10:34 i wish i didn't need to write a bluetooth controlling app Aug 20 02:10:52 is there any way to moniter the phone part's status? Aug 20 02:10:56 pjz: I can do two gsm calls at the same time fine Aug 20 02:10:59 (on a Treo) Aug 20 02:11:16 rwhitby: really? hrm, intreesting. Aug 20 02:11:36 rwhitby, how might i moniter call status Aug 20 02:11:38 yep, put one on hold, ring the other, merge them, unmerge them, etc Aug 20 02:12:04 rooly: why do you ask me specifically? Aug 20 02:12:15 cause you seem to know more than i Aug 20 02:12:20 and you're quite vocal Aug 20 02:13:13 that's not a reason to prefix a general question with someone's name, when you've just asked the same question in the channel. Aug 20 02:13:48 your right. scratch the first one Aug 20 02:14:00 you realise that prefixing with a name like that will make the recipient's window flash, indicating that someone is directing a message to them. Aug 20 02:14:17 yup Aug 20 02:14:23 and indeed i was doing as such Aug 20 02:15:22 rooly: your 'monitor call status' question is a bit general - I think a proper answer requires more knowledge about what distro you're using Aug 20 02:15:43 rooly: FSO tends to do everything with dbus, so that's probably the answer there Aug 20 02:16:08 here's a tip - unless you have a good reason to believe that the person you're specifically asking has such knowledge, instead of specifically asking anyone in the channel who happens to be talking, it's considered impolite (at least by me) Aug 20 02:16:17 right. basically, i want to write a bluetooth management gui and daemon for headsets Aug 20 02:17:02 (especially after you've just asked the question generally in the channel, and if I'd known the answer you would have expected that I would have answered it there) Aug 20 02:17:08 rooly: good for you. That doesn't have a lot to do with call status. a good place to start is proabably the desktop bt-headset stuff. Aug 20 02:17:11 bluetooth? whats that? Aug 20 02:17:35 rooly: also, rwhitby's right, it's rude to direct questions to people after you'v ejust asked the question to the channel Aug 20 02:17:37 ljp: a cheap way to not incur GPRS charges when your GTA01 is in the home or office ... Aug 20 02:18:22 pjz, i'd like it to be able to auto-forward calls to the headset. and i'll need to determine if a call is incoming to do so Aug 20 02:19:40 rooly: you still haven't said what distro you're asking about Aug 20 02:19:46 rooly: again with the distro-specific stuff. Aug 20 02:20:10 apologies Aug 20 02:20:13 2008.8 Aug 20 02:20:21 * rwhitby dunnos Aug 20 02:21:17 rooly: more than likely the answer is something like libgsmd-tool, I think Aug 20 02:21:27 righto Aug 20 02:21:59 rooly: as you might know if you were to do a minimal amount of searching on the wiki Aug 20 02:22:50 gotta love it when someone calls you a nublet, eh? Aug 20 02:24:10 It's my dream to someday rise to nublet level. Aug 20 02:31:33 anyone done an opkg upgrade on 2008.8 with zecke feeds lately? Aug 20 02:32:40 pjz: i have. using the testing feed Aug 20 02:33:01 alphabeat: so it's safe today? :) Aug 20 02:34:02 everything seems fine ;) few errors abouts gtk+ wanting to install files which already exist but that's it Aug 20 02:34:31 have you had errors in the past pjz? Aug 20 02:35:28 alphabeat: no, but I've not done many update/upgrades Aug 20 02:35:57 FYI moko in spanish means booger Aug 20 02:36:29 alphabeat: I heard about some kind of kernel kerfluffle on the mailing list, not sure what feed that was from though Aug 20 02:36:44 snot important. Aug 20 02:36:45 ah true. well nothing out of the ordinary for me. YMMV though Aug 20 02:45:26 KenYoung: lpl Aug 20 02:45:34 gah, stupid kernel package just reflashed my kernel - NOT what I want since I'm running from microSD Aug 20 02:45:54 mikef187, I don't understand that message. Aug 20 02:52:40 Complaints have included dropped calls, abrupt network switches, poor reception, and service interruptions. Aug 20 02:52:49 sound familar Aug 20 02:55:15 a u-boot? Aug 20 02:56:26 does debian look like zhone? Aug 20 02:59:17 so debian should run good from a sdcard? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 20 02:59:56 2008