**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 21 02:59:56 2008 Aug 21 03:00:58 Is it possible to zoom in to local streets with TangoGPS? Aug 21 03:01:23 all tthe way to 17 Aug 21 03:13:18 hrm Aug 21 03:13:30 anyone else get their audio killed while using dfu-util? Aug 21 03:17:53 raster: were you aware that the examples in python-edje and python-etk don't work (at least on the freerunner) Aug 21 03:18:23 no idea Aug 21 03:18:29 i don't do python Aug 21 03:18:46 i am happily python-free Aug 21 03:18:46 :) Aug 21 03:18:51 heh Aug 21 03:20:22 well, i've never written a program with a gui until i picked up the python book, thou it only has tk examples, so it's just a tad irrelevant Aug 21 03:21:06 i come from old school Aug 21 03:21:12 basic.. thyen traight to machine code Aug 21 03:21:23 not too hard Aug 21 03:21:31 i went up a level to0 assembly for about 6 years Aug 21 03:21:36 then deigned to jump up to c Aug 21 03:21:50 but c is just macro accembly anyway that portable Aug 21 03:21:53 assembly Aug 21 03:22:01 higher.. i dare not go Aug 21 03:22:04 * rwhitby did z80 assembly first Aug 21 03:22:19 otherwise i wont be compiling my code in my head as i write it :) Aug 21 03:22:26 rwhitby: no basic phase? Aug 21 03:22:30 come on Aug 21 03:22:38 those days the 8bit comps came with basic examples Aug 21 03:22:46 u at least did something in basic first... Aug 21 03:22:52 i didn't do machine code or asm, thou if I ever have the free time, i'd like to, then went pascal and C++ simultaneously, and stuck with c++ till i just kinda stopped :) Aug 21 03:23:11 raster: yeah, basic first. sinclair zx81 Aug 21 03:23:23 applesoft basic++ ;) Aug 21 03:23:23 aaah there was the basic phase Aug 21 03:23:26 i did the same thing Aug 21 03:23:41 but in commodore land (vic20->c64, so 6502 machine code) Aug 21 03:23:43 cpm OS on zx80 later Aug 21 03:23:53 then i made the leap up to 68k and the amiga Aug 21 03:23:56 man that was a leap Aug 21 03:24:04 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroBee Aug 21 03:24:07 a whole 512k of ram to play with! Aug 21 03:24:17 and chips that actually did shit... Aug 21 03:24:18 :) Aug 21 03:24:23 hehe Aug 21 03:24:28 ahh you were in a microbee school eh? Aug 21 03:24:29 :) Aug 21 03:25:29 i did appleIIe with apple dos > Pentium 2 / win95 Aug 21 03:26:44 raster: not at school, private purchase Aug 21 03:26:52 AntonTakk: seriously. c is not scary. its nice and simple. :) Aug 21 03:26:56 rwhitby: oooh. Aug 21 03:27:28 did my own circuit mods on it :-) Aug 21 03:28:00 aaah - i was too young for that Aug 21 03:28:10 started at 8.. and they were school comps Aug 21 03:28:26 by the time i got my own amiga500 - bugger if i was touching that circuit board. Aug 21 03:29:18 I did some basic on a friend's dad's trash80 Aug 21 03:29:29 aah good 'ol trash Aug 21 03:29:49 * rooly retries om2008.8 Aug 21 03:30:04 see, cause 2007.2, while good, is just unsupported Aug 21 03:30:31 * rooly wouldn't mind a bluetooth gui however Aug 21 03:30:35 i really don't wanna write one Aug 21 03:30:37 raster: well, the only c book i have was stamped by the college library in 1990, "Covers ANSI C, UNIX, Microsoft C, and Turbo C" and also mentions who owns the VAX/VMS trademarks :) spose it's relevant? Aug 21 03:30:53 * raster is vepry close to doing an 'image-sexonastick.bb' Aug 21 03:31:12 AntonTakk: probably - i just learnt c by reading it Aug 21 03:31:20 "ooh.. so thats how you do that" moments. Aug 21 03:31:51 fmm Aug 21 03:31:52 make that Aug 21 03:31:59 sexonastick-image.bb Aug 21 03:32:10 not sure how much i want to screw around with fso Aug 21 03:33:16 * rwhitby finds http://openmoko.togaware.com/survivor/index.html and wonders how peeved that author is that everything changed ... Aug 21 03:33:17 i don't tend to have the patience to decrypt how someone else's code works, i prefer having decent and well documented examples and a good function reference Aug 21 03:33:50 and just work it out on my own Aug 21 03:34:26 bah Aug 21 03:34:28 its not hard Aug 21 03:34:56 well, lets see.... Aug 21 03:35:39 * AntonTakk checks his installed apps....development....edje editor....fantastic :) time to group install :) Aug 21 03:36:01 edje_editor is more limited than hand-eding .edc' btw Aug 21 03:36:17 and it will not maintain the .edc if u start editing a .edj with it Aug 21 03:36:24 right now its an all or nothing deal Aug 21 03:36:29 use it and accept its limits Aug 21 03:36:30 oh, i know, i just thought it would be fun to play with Aug 21 03:36:31 or do it by hand Aug 21 03:36:44 its cool just to get to know how some things work tho - if u are new to edje Aug 21 03:36:46 for sure Aug 21 03:36:52 and eventually shoudl be fully-baked Aug 21 03:37:00 personalyl i can do the layout in my head Aug 21 03:37:05 so i have no dee for it Aug 21 03:37:06 need Aug 21 03:37:15 but i know - i'm strange Aug 21 03:37:34 years of doing gfx have twisted my braincells somehow into odd shapes Aug 21 03:37:44 i started a port of e16's Dark Alloy to e17, after stopping and starting multiple times over multiple api changes, I just stopped completely, thou I had about 7k lines of hand typed code in it thou Aug 21 03:38:02 aaah Aug 21 03:38:04 nice Aug 21 03:38:18 not bad Aug 21 03:38:25 e's new theme is only 11.6k lines so far Aug 21 03:38:31 600 for the init splash Aug 21 03:39:00 yeah it was, 5 of those seven was like half of the available window types :) Aug 21 03:39:10 yeah Aug 21 03:39:12 its easier now Aug 21 03:39:14 u can use aliases Aug 21 03:39:58 the edje theme api changing drastically any more? ;) Aug 21 03:40:38 no Aug 21 03:40:41 note really Aug 21 03:40:43 its very stable Aug 21 03:40:49 nice Aug 21 03:40:57 we did major cleanups thats what annoyed you i think Aug 21 03:41:02 now its clean - its stable Aug 21 03:41:51 well, i'll have to learn it again if I want to do apps on fso anyways Aug 21 03:43:14 raster, can't you just make a visualbasic emulator for e? Aug 21 03:43:26 raster, have you ever encountered a problem with system audio while flasing your fr? Aug 21 03:45:28 during flashing? Aug 21 03:45:32 yeah Aug 21 03:45:38 ieatlint: i can.. but i won't Aug 21 03:45:39 :) Aug 21 03:45:42 ro never. Aug 21 03:46:03 strangest thing, my computer's audio stopped working while i was flashing using dfu Aug 21 03:46:14 maybe it's just an unfortunate coincedince Aug 21 03:46:42 raster, but ... vb > c Aug 21 03:46:56 * rooly likes c Aug 21 03:47:07 you would. Aug 21 03:47:10 rooly: i seem to get ticking in my desktop's audio while the fr is connected if the fr has been on a while (24 hrs or more?) Aug 21 03:47:29 bash > vb Aug 21 03:47:32 ;) Aug 21 03:47:33 * rooly agrees Aug 21 03:48:02 if'n i'm gonna use an interpretd language, why not use one that works the same on 99% of operating systems Aug 21 03:48:03 ieatlint: :-P Aug 21 03:48:39 rooly, vb would work on 99% of operating systems if people like raster wrote emulators. Aug 21 03:48:52 okay, this joke wasn't even funny when it started :( Aug 21 03:48:54 i will admit, however, that vb is quite nice when it comes to reading it for the first time Aug 21 03:49:11 anyone able to recommend a good ide? installing eclipse to try right now Aug 21 03:49:12 easy to see what's happening to some extent even if you have no experience with it Aug 21 03:49:17 netbeans ftw Aug 21 03:49:24 makes a makefile for ya Aug 21 03:49:37 so does eclipse Aug 21 03:49:46 the two apps are basically the same thing Aug 21 03:49:46 eclipse manages all of it Aug 21 03:49:52 ah Aug 21 03:50:09 i'm not sure which one is newer tho Aug 21 03:50:20 eclipse just runs insanely slow on my laptop Aug 21 03:50:24 never could figure out why Aug 21 03:50:27 it runs itself into the ground Aug 21 03:50:30 but netbeans works fine Aug 21 03:50:41 not to say that i'm not going to end-up using vim a good chunk of the time, but auto-tools/etc is something i have no real desire to learn atm Aug 21 03:51:09 hmm - my bluetooth on gta01 doesn't seem to be powering on Aug 21 03:51:14 * rooly wouldn't mind autotools if it weren't so slow Aug 21 03:51:23 echo 1 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on Aug 21 03:51:26 eclipse sometimes got horibly slow on my old desktop Aug 21 03:51:38 echo 0 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/reset Aug 21 03:51:47 haven't really messed with it much recently Aug 21 03:52:19 oy vey Aug 21 03:52:33 i'm really not in the mood to rework all of my network scripts Aug 21 03:56:55 ok Aug 21 03:57:04 sfo patches to latest svn... ready to do some real dev Aug 21 04:00:41 now... for shits & giggles... Aug 21 04:00:46 let me build this for my zaurus... Aug 21 04:03:07 raster: are there any simple c examples for etk/edje? Aug 21 04:03:35 hmm Aug 21 04:03:41 not that i can point to for etk Aug 21 04:19:53 are there any wifi connection quality issues i should be aware of? Aug 21 04:23:20 hmm... Aug 21 04:23:44 you think you dev guys could maybe possibly have the light blink while charging and be steady when done? Aug 21 04:23:59 oh, and bluetooth could turn the blue led on Aug 21 04:24:05 and the wifi could turn the orange led on Aug 21 04:27:32 hell, if anyone would be kind enough to point me at the scripts which control these things Aug 21 04:35:21 u mean /sys/class/leds/? Aug 21 04:35:56 no, i mean the gui's wifi startup, bluetooth startup, and power toggle Aug 21 04:35:58 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r36a0973bffc2 10/ (7 files in 4 dirs): [openmoko] Change name from Diversity-nav to Om-locations Aug 21 04:36:02 are all of those in source? Aug 21 04:37:19 lolz where are the blue and orange leds? Aug 21 04:37:25 on the power button Aug 21 04:38:40 echo 1 > /sys/class/leds/gta02-power\:blue/brightness Aug 21 04:40:38 hehe it becomes purple if u power on both Aug 21 04:42:49 yup Aug 21 04:42:56 * rooly is looking thru the scripts to make this work now Aug 21 04:44:47 u can also togle the vibrators speed Aug 21 04:44:54 mm hmm Aug 21 04:45:14 from 0 to 250 :p Aug 21 04:45:40 right Aug 21 04:45:44 testing my change right now Aug 21 04:46:00 damn Aug 21 04:46:30 what does the settings application use to change the bluetooth? Aug 21 04:49:00 * rooly is browsing thru the exposuer.py app Aug 21 04:49:26 rooly: what's that do? Aug 21 04:49:37 it's the settings gui app for 0m2008.8 Aug 21 04:49:47 ah Aug 21 04:49:58 aggtrfrad, 255 :) Aug 21 04:49:59 * rooly is gonna change some wifi code if he can Aug 21 04:50:38 it may be of interest to some that the vibrator is exposed in the case, and increasing the value from 0 to 255 simply increases the voltage... the pins to this are exposed Aug 21 04:51:01 so someone could modify the case to put something else on that :P Aug 21 04:52:51 right... Aug 21 04:52:52 well Aug 21 04:53:00 where is the wifi code then Aug 21 04:53:02 * rooly sighs Aug 21 04:53:54 wifi code? Aug 21 04:54:05 the python wifi code Aug 21 04:54:16 it's in either os or sys Aug 21 04:54:24 python wifi code? Aug 21 04:54:25 but i don't know where those are or how to modify them Aug 21 04:54:31 python doesn't have a wifi module... Aug 21 04:54:40 look at /usr/bin/exposure.py Aug 21 04:54:48 i don't have that app Aug 21 04:54:59 using om2008.8? Aug 21 04:55:11 nope Aug 21 04:55:15 right Aug 21 04:55:19 well, watch this: Aug 21 04:56:17 self.mywifi = wifi(self.etk, self.edj, self.edje.Edje, self.edje_file, self.window.evas, dbus, self.system_bus, self.ecore, self.window) Aug 21 04:56:51 ok, so they made a wifi class Aug 21 04:57:01 look at the imports a the top of the script Aug 21 04:57:31 import os Aug 21 04:57:33 import sys Aug 21 04:57:49 there's more somewhere :) Aug 21 04:57:56 i don't know python beyond reading it Aug 21 04:57:59 or it's defined in that file Aug 21 04:58:06 it's not defined in this file Aug 21 04:58:09 i can tell ya that Aug 21 04:58:14 sys seems likely Aug 21 04:58:19 where do i find sys tho Aug 21 04:58:47 http://docs.python.org/lib/module-sys.html Aug 21 04:59:12 it's a custom class, not a python default (both os and sys are default) Aug 21 04:59:24 right Aug 21 04:59:26 i know that Aug 21 04:59:51 hi all! Aug 21 05:00:11 hi Aug 21 05:02:42 it seems that with the latest OM2007 and TangoGPS, that TangoGPS never finds my GPS even. the Openmoko AGPS Test program finds fixes after a bit though. TangoGPS used to ber fine, but not after a reflash Aug 21 05:03:02 cat /etc/default/gpsd Aug 21 05:03:14 tell me if you see /dev/ttySAC1 from that Aug 21 05:06:55 found it Aug 21 05:07:03 where would i look for these: from expos import gsm, bt, gps, brightness, suspend, time, sysinfo, wifi, profile, xdesktop Aug 21 05:07:28 you look for "expos" Aug 21 05:08:01 what if it's compiled or someodd Aug 21 05:08:12 rooly: find / -name expos.py Aug 21 05:08:13 where is the python library anyway Aug 21 05:12:22 no return... Aug 21 05:12:24 not found Aug 21 05:12:25 etc Aug 21 05:13:25 hmph. Aug 21 05:13:53 find / -name expos Aug 21 05:13:54 ? Aug 21 05:14:07 that'll probably find the directory Aug 21 05:14:17 if it's not a .py, I think it has to be a dir Aug 21 05:14:38 where is python's lib directory at anyway Aug 21 05:14:52 usually something like /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages Aug 21 05:15:00 dunno about 2008.8, I don't use that Aug 21 05:15:22 found it Aug 21 05:17:04 you were right Aug 21 05:24:10 i've made a package of a more recent gdb, if anyone's interested, it's available on http://fort-knox.org/~yyounan/gdb/ Aug 21 05:24:35 they newer version has better arm support Aug 21 05:25:09 the even :) Aug 21 05:29:57 yay, working as a wifi remote for the mpd on my stereo Aug 21 05:30:21 right Aug 21 05:30:23 that should work Aug 21 05:33:27 hrm Aug 21 05:33:29 ... Aug 21 05:33:36 the bluetooth has been turned on during boot Aug 21 05:33:47 at least, according to my little scriptable Aug 21 05:50:35 rooly had to take care of a mess. cat /etc/default/gspd gives /dev/ttyS3 Aug 21 05:51:20 then you need to change it to /dev/ttySAC1 Aug 21 05:51:46 oy vey Aug 21 05:51:52 i'm gonna need some help with this Aug 21 05:51:53 rooly how do I change it? just edit the file? Aug 21 05:52:02 vi /etc/default/gpsd.default Aug 21 05:52:13 or nano, if'n you have it Aug 21 05:52:14 damnit Aug 21 05:52:23 this thing isn't working Aug 21 05:52:28 it should be, but it's not Aug 21 05:52:42 do i have to recompile python when i make a script change? Aug 21 05:53:20 rooly ok, I do vi, just wondering if that is the direct file (since stuff like resolv.conf has changed in 2008.8, watching out) Aug 21 05:54:35 hi , will my freerunner get overcharger if it remains in charge after its been fully charged ? Aug 21 05:54:43 will that damage my battery ? Aug 21 05:54:44 Zoup: no. Aug 21 05:54:45 no. Aug 21 05:54:52 thanks thanks Aug 21 05:54:54 cjb, any ideas? Aug 21 05:54:57 this isn't 1985 :) Aug 21 05:55:03 cjb: will it stop charging even with a 3rd party battery that doesn't report status? Aug 21 05:55:06 rooly: no, you don't have to recompile. Aug 21 05:55:12 then why won't it work... Aug 21 05:55:18 (I had to get a 3rd-party battery over the weekend to recover from deep discharge...) Aug 21 05:55:23 johnsu01: perhaps not. someone warned me about that. Aug 21 05:55:32 i get "unknown" for the status now Aug 21 05:55:38 cjb: Yeah, I was afraid enough to only let it charge the new battery for an hour or so Aug 21 05:55:42 even tho i didn't change any code, only added lines Aug 21 05:55:44 rooly: I don't know what you're doing, so I can't tell you why it isn't working. Aug 21 05:55:44 rooly hmm do I have to restart or something? it didnt seem to work right off Aug 21 05:55:47 os.system("bla") Aug 21 05:56:15 cjb, i'm turning on and off led's for bluetooth and wifi Aug 21 05:56:23 making them useful Aug 21 05:57:14 hm, I guess I didn't get a clear answer Aug 21 05:57:17 15:00 can I use a neo battery on a FR? Aug 21 05:57:24 15:01 My understanding is that it works fine, but won't charge properly Aug 21 05:57:40 isn't that an oxymoron? Aug 21 05:57:45 works fine but Aug 21 05:57:55 oy vey Aug 21 05:58:01 he means works as in discharges. Aug 21 05:58:01 * rooly sighs Aug 21 05:58:08 right, i know Aug 21 05:58:11 just the wording Aug 21 05:58:19 this should by all means be working Aug 21 05:58:44 the combination of the charging indicator being broken and the deep discharge issue is brutal Aug 21 05:58:47 every problem can be solved with copious use of print statements Aug 21 05:59:07 johnsu01: I haven't hit the deep discharge problem yet. Is it fixed by newer uboot? Aug 21 05:59:16 I haven't upgraded uboot 'cause I broke my AUX button. Aug 21 05:59:39 cjb: not fixed that I'm aware of, but I haven't checked for about a week Aug 21 06:00:13 * rooly sighs Aug 21 06:00:18 it just refuses Aug 21 06:00:24 i'll try rebooting again Aug 21 06:00:39 but now I'm using debian anyway and have the zhone charge indicator Aug 21 06:01:11 cjb I think I'm going to first wear out the edge of the slot for opening the case :D Aug 21 06:01:21 Infoport: yeah, I noticed that feeling looser :) Aug 21 06:01:34 the phone needs a gsm profile Aug 21 06:01:58 cjb from "hard resets", removing the battery Aug 21 06:02:41 I'm pretty nervous about the ability of the case to hold together in the future.. Aug 21 06:02:44 that way it can turn on airplanes...and one could watch the dot move at 600 mph Aug 21 06:04:06 johns01 mine still isnt loose, but there is wear on the edge of the slot Aug 21 06:05:22 seriously Aug 21 06:05:29 okay, going look at wtf is happening Aug 21 06:05:36 gonna run a paste Aug 21 06:07:17 anybody know why TangoGPS cant find a GPS device, even though the Openmoko AGPS tester can? Aug 21 06:07:28 nice, my freerunner kept itself suspended the whole night and even charged itself during that suspend Aug 21 06:07:36 http://rafb.net/p/shPvK156.html Aug 21 06:07:38 Infoport: strace? Aug 21 06:07:56 cjb, i've done that, and now it eternally says "unknown" for the status Aug 21 06:08:19 this is wifi, btw Aug 21 06:08:38 lindi- that's your solution for everything! (ok I'll check) Aug 21 06:08:44 Infoport: but it is :) Aug 21 06:08:49 Infoport: did you manage to log AT commands? Aug 21 06:09:19 Infoport, the gps device changed names on the FR i believe Aug 21 06:10:23 lindi-- another advised that the SIM chip touched the tab on the bracket, it was true, and I went and changed it. I didnt see AT commands with strace though Aug 21 06:11:31 any dev's in here? Aug 21 06:11:48 lindi-, rooly, I havent had luck with a couple of variations so far...ttySAC1, ttySAC0, and the original values Aug 21 06:12:16 ttySAC1 is the value Aug 21 06:12:21 anyone tried xvkbd or any other keyboards on the new debian releaasE? Aug 21 06:12:23 /dev/ttySAC1 Aug 21 06:13:43 rooly do I need to restart, or just run TangoGPS? Aug 21 06:14:35 first you need to turn on gps Aug 21 06:14:41 then start tangogps Aug 21 06:15:22 if tangogps says something other than "no gps found" or "no device found" or similar, you're safe and just need to be patient or outside Aug 21 06:17:09 rooly still getting "No GPS found" Aug 21 06:17:43 try "cat /dev/ttySAC1" Aug 21 06:18:04 you should get alot of output Aug 21 06:18:45 if not, then the gps is NOT turned on Aug 21 06:18:58 you should be able to turn it on with "/etc/init.d/gpsd start" Aug 21 06:19:26 rooly I *do* get a bunch of output-- maybe I need to reboot or something to convince TangoGPS that the device is there Aug 21 06:19:49 no Aug 21 06:19:57 is tangogps open? Aug 21 06:20:12 rooly I know-- that is such a Windows solution Aug 21 06:20:13 try scrolling down on the right-most tab and hitting "reconnect to gpsd" Aug 21 06:21:20 aggtrfrad: i am trying to get illume keyboard Aug 21 06:24:46 hmmm rooly it is not saying no GPS found now, so maybe I'll get a TTFF in a bit! Aug 21 06:27:35 Is the person behind the zecke repository on irc? I don't know if he/she would use zecke as his/her irc name too Aug 21 06:28:44 so i i get it right, zhone is a pygtk application that runs on a simple X system? Aug 21 06:30:00 i mean the fso x system, is it zhone or frameworkd? on of these is the gsm services and the other the desktop? Aug 21 06:30:22 zhone is the application used to test frameworkd Aug 21 06:30:38 and frameworkd does the hardware interaction Aug 21 06:31:13 how cool would it be to run xfce a ur main Xwindow manager and zhone to insteract with telephony? Aug 21 06:32:05 either build xfce ipkgs or install debian, there you can have that (after fiddling round more or less, didn't manage to get a wm running properly...) Aug 21 06:33:08 yeah im talking about debian Aug 21 06:33:34 aggtrfrad: now we only need the keyboard :) Aug 21 06:33:43 rooly, cool! after restarting apps, and starting AGPS test first (seems to get it faster), TangoGPS is getting fixes! /dev/ttySAC1 was my last setting change! Aug 21 06:33:45 i think its a matter of time till its done, cause now debian release is useless Aug 21 06:33:46 btw, if you get sound to work on debian... Aug 21 06:34:04 Tanuva: works Aug 21 06:34:09 damn Aug 21 06:34:20 aggtrfrad: yes but that time can be shortened, see my mails with raster :) Aug 21 06:34:33 I'd love to know why mine doesn't, mixer seems to be okay, mplayer plays without complaining... Aug 21 06:34:45 Tanuva: but you hear nothing from mplayer? Aug 21 06:34:50 yep Aug 21 06:35:00 neither built-in nor on headphones Aug 21 06:36:33 ok. time for sleep! the mead at Brewers Guild was great (many many small tastes) Nite all ! Aug 21 06:36:55 Tanuva: interesting Aug 21 06:40:45 lindi-: but it works on fso, so the hardware is okay :/ Aug 21 06:42:10 Tanuva: same kernel even? Aug 21 06:42:37 hmm... I believe, yes Aug 21 06:42:53 Can i see the output of 'logread' live thorugh ssh, so i can immediately spot certain system messages? Aug 21 06:43:46 aggtrfrad: well the debian release is great :) -- you just need the right alsa config which i don't have Aug 21 06:44:21 i was talking about the app/window manager limitations Aug 21 06:44:30 i dont have any probs with alsa :p Aug 21 06:45:06 aggtrfrad: really ? Aug 21 06:45:16 you can use voip / record sound on debian Aug 21 06:45:35 Tanuva: please verify md5sum Aug 21 06:45:40 Tanuva: of both modules and kernel? Aug 21 06:45:45 no, i mean i didnt say anything about sound, not that it works :p Aug 21 06:45:54 ah? Aug 21 06:46:22 lindi-: FSO is booting so I can check the kernel version, md5sum coming soon Aug 21 06:46:30 morning Aug 21 06:46:56 Tanuva: you could have verified md5sum without booting too :) Aug 21 06:48:19 do I? Aug 21 06:48:25 *g* Aug 21 06:49:19 lindi-: hmm, it's NOT the same kernel Aug 21 06:49:50 but the debian one is the fsom2 kernel that gets installed by default, so it *should* work, shouldn't it? Aug 21 06:50:44 * rooly sighs Aug 21 06:52:05 Tanuva: which one is it? Aug 21 06:52:15 Tanuva: is it the one install.sh uses? Aug 21 06:53:39 yes Aug 21 06:53:49 There's no window manager on debian on freerunner? Aug 21 06:55:04 xt: install one Aug 21 06:55:14 which one would you reccommend Aug 21 06:55:16 xt: there is, matchbox-window-manager in ps axuf Aug 21 06:55:20 xt: by default Aug 21 06:55:23 xt:XFCE Aug 21 06:55:45 lindi-: I see. But how does it work ? (: Aug 21 06:55:56 can I get illume for debian? Aug 21 06:56:21 xt: i am trying to build it, see mailing list Aug 21 06:56:30 ok, thanks Aug 21 06:56:56 xt: help me get it to work on x86 first :P Aug 21 06:57:20 supposedly - im at work Aug 21 06:57:38 it's hard to resist playing with the freerunner though Aug 21 06:59:01 * Tanuva got to leave for school in 30min :/ Aug 21 06:59:08 i have AVR problem at work right now: http://www.avrfreaks.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=480134#480134 Aug 21 07:05:07 Tanuva: ut don't you guys in germany only have to go to school until noon? Aug 21 07:05:15 s/ut/but Aug 21 07:05:30 yeah then its beer time after :D Aug 21 07:05:57 schule - 8-12 12+ bierzeit :p Aug 21 07:06:33 Zorkman: normally 8am to ~3pm, depends - but today it's the first day after the summer break :) Aug 21 07:07:26 well, I have an exam tomorrow, so praise yourself lucky :p Aug 21 07:07:32 hehe Aug 21 07:08:04 the really big exams are to come before eastern Aug 21 07:08:14 but then I'm finally done with school Aug 21 07:09:26 gta05 should have this onboard :p http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/?cpg=ab Aug 21 07:09:32 what are you studying? Aug 21 07:10:39 aggtrfrad: you can already use it with the FR, it connects through bt Aug 21 07:11:02 aggtrfrad, I've used them before, they suck ass. Aug 21 07:11:03 this year still the normal school things, after that I'm going to study computer science at some university, but don't know where exactly yet Aug 21 07:11:23 batterylife is only 2hours... Aug 21 07:11:39 i know its cool :) but can u imagin it be implemented onboard, and just put ur freerunner on the desk and type? :p Aug 21 07:12:28 aggtrfrad, it'd actually be damned annoying Aug 21 07:12:39 it'd need a decent sized flat base to stably stand Aug 21 07:12:55 and then the screen would be at a 90 degree angle to the table, right in front of your fingers Aug 21 07:12:59 and it should also fit inside the phone... Aug 21 07:13:18 difficult to see at that angle, and with your fingers potentially in the way Aug 21 07:13:24 nah gta05 should be able to float into thn air by invering gravity to 0 ^^ Aug 21 07:13:30 thin* Aug 21 07:13:38 lol Aug 21 07:13:50 (btw im just kiding about the keyboard....) Aug 21 07:13:50 it should have a gyro :P Aug 21 07:14:00 and a compass... Aug 21 07:14:19 and maybe, if there's actually any interest, a stylus holder in the case ... but then, no one seems to actually want that Aug 21 07:14:37 ieatlint: I'm with you Aug 21 07:14:58 I'd also like a direct link to the our nervesystem Aug 21 07:15:28 and a tazer Aug 21 07:15:46 so that you can "defend" yourself, and accidentally activate in while talking on the phone Aug 21 07:16:25 that would electrify your calls ;) Aug 21 07:16:37 and maybe a bottle opener, and/or cheese slicer Aug 21 07:17:04 but don't use the taser too much or you won't have any power left for the lightsabre Aug 21 07:17:07 what about a swiss army knife integrated? Aug 21 07:17:18 damnit, now i want some cheese... stupid cheese-slicer-less freerunner Aug 21 07:17:35 lightsabre could cut cheese :) Aug 21 07:18:44 hi, there is a modified matchbox keyboard on scap.linuxtogo.org, do you know where I can find it? Aug 21 07:20:09 which one TeXitoi? Aug 21 07:20:23 for 2007.2 or 2008.8 Aug 21 07:20:40 Zorkman: matchbox, for 2007.2 Aug 21 07:20:48 not illumine one Aug 21 07:21:07 it is just with bigger keys Aug 21 07:21:18 TeXitoi:http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards_on_OM_2007.2#Matchbox_keyboard Aug 21 07:22:41 no, I have this one Aug 21 07:22:50 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/3526056717b24042dd261d5424fc6ef6.png Aug 21 07:22:56 the one on this screenshot Aug 21 07:24:14 I think I once read something abouut someone doing that on the ML... don't remember who Aug 21 07:25:27 on th ML, ok, thank, I'll search Aug 21 07:25:33 that could be raster's image Aug 21 07:25:47 i seem to recall hearing it having a special keyboard Aug 21 07:25:56 no, r asters image is 2008.08.xx based Aug 21 07:26:01 but then, i hear things... special things Aug 21 07:27:39 http://atariland.net/~dreilly/openmoko/ Aug 21 07:28:29 is that the better one? Aug 21 07:28:40 are there keys that have been, removed? Aug 21 07:28:53 good morning Aug 21 07:29:01 gm Aug 21 07:29:04 there are someones Aug 21 07:29:18 like some arrow keys, I think Aug 21 07:48:16 openmoko: 03werner * r4601 10/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/ (10 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) Aug 21 07:48:16 openmoko: Committing changes that have piled up. The things under lib/ are ugly, Aug 21 07:48:16 openmoko: incomplete, and buggy. Don't try to use them yet. Aug 21 07:48:16 openmoko: - usbtmc.c: improper handling of the "vendor=" option Aug 21 07:48:16 openmoko: - telnet.c: added option "nl" to suppress warning on extra newline (note that Aug 21 07:48:19 openmoko: this makes parameter parsing ambiguous - to be fixed later) Aug 21 07:48:21 openmoko: - lib/: added a number of Python scripts to implement properly abstracted Aug 21 07:48:23 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r93e75b66097a 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/parser.py: [oeventsd] Some typo in the parser functions (thanks to Julien Cassignol) Aug 21 07:48:26 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r3d975876cf5b 10/ (17 files in 10 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://git@git.freesmartphone.org/framework Aug 21 08:03:34 Hello, first time for me on this chat! Aug 21 08:04:01 hi. Aug 21 08:04:06 Anybody expert in themes? Aug 21 08:04:25 I'm wondering why everyone has a theme like that: Aug 21 08:04:33 http://www.newspeak.org.uk/img/openmoko.png Aug 21 08:04:56 While I get ugly buttons like that: Aug 21 08:05:02 http://yisheng.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/screenshot-qemu-1.png Aug 21 08:05:31 I'm using 2007.2. Aug 21 08:20:20 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * re355a3ec8fa1 10/conf/distro/openmoko.conf: [openmoko] Change the default feed uri Aug 21 08:20:35 what does that boot doing? Aug 21 08:47:07 Hi I've got a few problems with debian on the freerunner, anyone tried that out? Aug 21 08:47:55 ye Aug 21 08:48:02 Kev_: yes Aug 21 08:48:17 I don't want to use fso, so I deinstalled that, then I installed xorg and xfce Aug 21 08:48:35 Kev_: how do you intend to make calls without fso? Aug 21 08:48:58 I can't make calls because my sim-card does not work... so it doesn't matter :) Aug 21 08:49:06 (Bug 666) Aug 21 08:52:35 the problem is now, that I have an config dialog on the freerunner, but no keyboard or anything else to select yes or no :) Aug 21 08:52:48 Kev_: try the aux button Aug 21 08:53:06 has no function :( Aug 21 08:53:25 it does on default debian :/ Aug 21 08:54:01 yes but maybe only on fso or any fso-dependency Aug 21 08:54:43 but I don't want to have fso, I wan't something like this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/3/30/Debian.png Aug 21 08:55:28 Kev_: try running matchbox-keyboard Aug 21 08:55:49 Kev_: try running matchbox-keyboard-toggle, actually Aug 21 08:55:53 that enables the AUX here Aug 21 08:56:29 Kev_: zhone-session starts matchbox-keyboard-toggle Aug 21 08:56:43 Kev_: which listens for dbus for AUX Aug 21 08:56:52 this would make a fun gps-app: http://xkcd.com/407/ Aug 21 08:56:58 ok, I install matchbox-keyboard now Aug 21 08:57:10 Zorkman: it actually exists Aug 21 08:57:18 on the FR? Aug 21 08:57:29 nah - but xkcd wrote a gps python program Aug 21 08:57:35 should be easily runnable on FR Aug 21 08:57:45 Zorkman: see http://blag.xkcd.com/2008/05/20/gps-cyborg-implant/ Aug 21 08:58:28 oh yeah now i remember, had heard about it Aug 21 08:58:41 but i actually want it to say only hot or cold, guess it would be easily adapted Aug 21 08:58:54 ye Aug 21 09:00:00 lindi-: in which package is matchbox-keyboard-toggle? it isn't included in matchbox-keyboard Aug 21 09:00:39 (thanks xt) Aug 21 09:02:12 Kev_: zhone-session: Aug 21 09:02:25 how do you get 'gpspipe' functionality on fso ? Aug 21 09:23:17 xt: ah gpspipe ? good guestion ... check the packages ?.... might be a gpsd-util ? or something similar Aug 21 09:23:50 nah, fso uses gypsy Aug 21 09:23:56 but I just killed it and installed gpsd Aug 21 09:24:08 do you think they realise that gypsy is a racial slur? Aug 21 09:26:37 thanks, xfce is now running :) Aug 21 09:46:46 Been away and catching up on a sea of email but has anybody heard mention of a bug which kills the FR OM2008.08 on booting. As soon as the phone gets to starting X it seems to die. There is mention of a bug on the OM_2008.08 wiki page about it sleeping if not touched during boot but I have touched it. Any help appreciated. Aug 21 09:47:29 if you boot is slow, FR suspends before finished booting Aug 21 09:47:39 just push the power button and it should awak Aug 21 09:47:40 e Aug 21 09:51:42 XorA: pushing the power button does nothing at all once it's deaded Aug 21 09:58:50 press some things during bootup to keep it awake maybe? Aug 21 09:59:04 if it works like i think it does.. Aug 21 10:00:59 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r2515e9ddf7f1 10/conf/example/frameworkd.conf: [Conf file] corrected a typo Aug 21 10:05:43 Nope now it's simply refusing to boot. I'll go back to ASU Aug 21 10:13:11 is anyone here a sed/awk guru? Aug 21 10:21:05 ieatlint: whats up? Aug 21 10:27:50 Hello again. I found the source of my problem. I've got the FR plugged into USB on computer but even so the phone is dying even in the NOR Boot Menu. Swapped out the battery and now seems fine. Put the battery into my Nokia which uses a BL-5C and the Nokia won't boot. Something wrong with the battery. Aug 21 10:30:31 your nokia battery or your neo battery Aug 21 10:31:56 beni_, i need a simplistic script to patch configure scripts for a cross compiler Aug 21 10:32:14 needs to match a string and then change the line directly above the matched string Aug 21 10:33:05 change or insert ? Aug 21 10:33:16 change Aug 21 10:34:24 basically there's a line that says "if cross compiling:" and then gives about 4 error messages saying "cannot run test program while cross compiling" and exits ... if you simply modify the line to ensure the test is false, it continues without issue Aug 21 10:34:56 lots of configure scripts do it, due to an outdated autoconf having been used to generate them... but alas, autoreconf seemingly does nothing, even though it supposedly will update such scripts Aug 21 10:35:30 My Nokia battery is working but the Neo one won't power anything even though it is fully charged Aug 21 10:35:37 (i would just search for the test and modify it easily with sed, but the test is used for other things which are important) Aug 21 10:48:40 ciao Aug 21 10:48:42 !list Aug 21 11:48:49 lindi-: did sound work for you out of the box under debian? If so, I'll just reinstall it and see then... Aug 21 11:53:45 Tanuva: where was that link u sent me on sound last night? Aug 21 11:57:23 swc|666: hmm... I sent you a link on sound... concerning sound on debian? Aug 21 11:57:32 *looking through his ff-tabs* Aug 21 11:57:48 yea, u said it didnt work for u and gave me a link that u said u were using Aug 21 11:57:55 using/trying Aug 21 11:58:11 ah, I remember, give me a minute... Aug 21 11:58:59 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manual_Debian Aug 21 11:59:30 nono Aug 21 11:59:52 there was a link u gave me that gave directions for sound, specificaly Aug 21 12:00:06 there was a link there to a tar.gz with some package i think(?) Aug 21 12:00:28 ahh Aug 21 12:00:34 i see it at the bottom... nm Aug 21 12:01:20 yes, that's on that page Aug 21 12:06:55 Tanuva: what does it say when u try.. no sound card found? Aug 21 12:09:13 swc|666: no. the card is there, I tried many configs on alsamixer, mplayer seems to be accessing alsa, but there's no sound coming out of the neo. Aug 21 12:09:29 but something strange I noticed: Aug 21 12:09:34 0.o Aug 21 12:10:22 the statefiles advertised on that site are configured for an other soundchip's name, the "gta02" is missing - if I change them accordingly, alsactl can set the state, but there seem to be settings for too many mixer options stored in them... (confusing? :D) Aug 21 12:10:58 i c Aug 21 12:11:06 alsactl complains about no mixer setting for option #80 - 90 or so Aug 21 12:11:18 hmmm Aug 21 12:11:37 that would be because that page is clearly a gta01 Aug 21 12:11:51 heh.. alsaconf just wipred out my modules and didnt reload them :s Aug 21 12:12:02 wiped* Aug 21 12:12:32 XorA: interesting... Aug 21 12:13:04 pull the statefiles from OM svn Aug 21 12:14:34 XorA: do you have any information on a better firmware for the AR6K wlan? Aug 21 12:14:48 does the 2008.8 work as a phone or is it just me? Aug 21 12:15:17 swc|666: nope, I dont even know if we can give out the flashing instructions Aug 21 12:15:25 dns53, It works pretty well, but not perfectly, as a phone. Aug 21 12:15:51 i think some of the updates have broken things for me Aug 21 12:16:03 dns53, At least for me, using T-mobile. Aug 21 12:16:05 XorA: :/ ...i would think a project of this size would give openmoko the leverage with atheros somewhat Aug 21 12:16:34 swc|666: OM is small fry for atheros :-( Aug 21 12:16:46 yea Aug 21 12:16:49 :s Aug 21 12:17:42 XorA: out of blind curiosity, can the card be replaced with another similar? Aug 21 12:17:43 XorA: could you point me at the location of the statefiles in the svn repo? Aug 21 12:18:10 swc|666: no idea Aug 21 12:18:11 dns53, there are some problems with calling out, people can receive calls, but can't make them Aug 21 12:18:36 trunk/src/target/audio/ Aug 21 12:18:47 http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/audio/om-gta02/ Aug 21 12:18:48 XorA: thanks :) Aug 21 12:19:18 Tanuva: just do svn co http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/audio/om-gta02/ alsa_gta02 Aug 21 12:19:56 swc|666: just did :) Aug 21 12:21:17 bedtime Aug 21 12:21:32 cat me > bed Aug 21 12:21:34 2:21pm here :D Aug 21 12:21:46 521a here :p Aug 21 12:21:50 cyas Aug 21 12:21:51 :O Aug 21 12:25:47 YAY! Aug 21 12:26:03 XorA: thanksmanytimesgenious now I'm getting sound under debian :D Aug 21 12:27:25 meda player won't start playing the music, anyone with the same problem? Aug 21 12:29:06 you have the gstreamer codecs? Aug 21 12:33:40 Tanuva: how ? Aug 21 12:33:47 Tanuva: want to share :) Aug 21 12:34:10 using the right alsa.state files from the om svn, scroll up a few lines, swo pointed out the checkout command Aug 21 12:34:24 maybe I should add that to the debian page Aug 21 12:34:33 ok Aug 21 12:34:37 Tanuva: will do :) Aug 21 12:34:51 do you havea working mic ? Aug 21 12:34:55 ... i don't have that Aug 21 12:35:12 don't know, I just did one call with the neo in appr. 2 months :D Aug 21 12:35:14 go arecord... and test it with that... Aug 21 12:35:22 ah, okay, gimme a moment... :) Aug 21 12:35:25 Tanuva: ? ok Aug 21 12:38:01 dns53, dunno, how do I check that? Aug 21 12:39:00 opkg list|grep gst- and install everyhing and see if it helps Aug 21 12:40:55 Tanuva: any feedback ? Aug 21 12:41:05 dns53, http://4a82f5ee0c6ba9fd.paste.se/ it is very much Aug 21 12:41:12 dbmoodb: arecord -D hw:0,1 -t wav -f s16_le rec.wav seems to record for 2 or 3 seconds and then segfaults - aplay is unable to play the file Aug 21 12:41:28 really ? Aug 21 12:41:49 dunno if it really records, but it opens the file and "does" something for this period Aug 21 12:41:53 but really, yes Aug 21 12:41:54 mm perhaps its an audio option ... Aug 21 12:42:23 mmm intersting Aug 21 12:42:31 maybe I try capturehandset.state for recording instead of stereoout.state Aug 21 12:42:36 dns53, are there any easy command for installing everything? Aug 21 12:42:47 hossi well gst-plugin-good and gst-plugin-ugly should install most of the Aug 21 12:42:47 where was a voiphandset.. option... Aug 21 12:43:05 that was in the neo1973 statefiles Aug 21 12:43:11 (which don't work for me) Aug 21 12:43:43 ah, did you mean you will add the statefiles thingy to the wiki or did you just agree? :D Aug 21 12:43:54 14:34:37 Tanuva: will do :) Aug 21 12:44:18 just want to save us from doing the same twice Aug 21 12:44:31 ah what ? Aug 21 12:44:45 ah.... i have another version of the files up atm... from fso... Aug 21 12:44:56 okay, then I'll do that :D Aug 21 12:45:14 check the page... i posted it under discussion... don't remember who but... some one gave them to me / pointme me to them Aug 21 12:45:27 dns53, think I have some problems http://2ac7bd59d365fce4.paste.se/ Aug 21 12:45:44 ah Aug 21 12:46:18 hossi ping google, opkg update Aug 21 12:46:44 arrrgh, with capturehandset.state arecord complains about a broken pcm configuration for "this" device and then hangs, can't even kill -9 it >.< Aug 21 12:46:45 Tanuva: update the wiki anyway with you ones / add them.. i gues Aug 21 12:46:48 s* Aug 21 12:46:50 okay Aug 21 12:47:02 ..... sucks i wanted to voip already rofl Aug 21 12:47:31 hm... just curiosity: is there a sip->skype gateway of some form available? Aug 21 12:48:23 Tanuva: ah.. probably via asterisk Aug 21 12:48:33 ... there is fring.... but that's not for the freerunner.. Aug 21 12:48:54 and if I'm unlucky, one would have to recode the voicestream Aug 21 12:49:12 (dunno if "unlucky" fits in here...) Aug 21 12:49:26 Tanuva: probably not Aug 21 12:50:43 dns53, http://44e8e4f55c0ac0bc.paste.se/ Aug 21 12:50:47 um why has openmoko.com remove the option / info on 2007.2 release ?.... Aug 21 12:51:03 they have qtopia... but no 2007.2 Aug 21 12:52:05 hossi oh it's plugins not plugin Aug 21 12:52:43 dbmoodb: ah, about sound: I thought about the "Debian" page, not "Manual Debian" Aug 21 12:53:28 dns53, it say that my plugins are up to date Aug 21 12:53:35 ah Tanuva yeah i put my sound thing on the discussion page of it .. didn't sign it probably should have Aug 21 12:54:09 dns53, I press the play button in media player, and nothing happens Aug 21 12:54:28 do you have a playlist with songs? Aug 21 12:54:33 yes Aug 21 12:54:37 dbmoodb: hmm... I'm going to add my "Sound" part to the discussion for reviewing since I don't want to leave grammar mistakes on the wiki and my English isn't perfect :D Aug 21 12:54:41 i could play music yesterday Aug 21 12:55:46 did you update anything in your system? Aug 21 12:56:14 no Aug 21 12:56:34 may it work if I reinsatll media player? Aug 21 12:57:01 restart your device as well Aug 21 12:57:18 after uninstalling? Aug 21 12:58:34 now, incase pulse audio or alsa is messed up Aug 21 12:59:33 dbmoodb: I have added my comment, could you review my language? :D Aug 21 12:59:48 ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory Aug 21 12:59:51 Cannot open sequencer - No such file or directory Aug 21 13:00:01 that's from arecordmidi.... perhaps that is of some help ? Aug 21 13:00:24 midi needs a midi sequencer, that's no standard pcm sound Aug 21 13:00:31 and a synthie on the other and Aug 21 13:00:40 s/and/end/ Aug 21 13:00:40 Tanuva meant: end a synthie on the other and Aug 21 13:00:45 argh >.< Aug 21 13:01:16 fair enough Aug 21 13:06:08 dns53, have uninstalled media player via the installer Aug 21 13:06:30 is it an idea to reinstall the plugins? Aug 21 13:09:28 ah i just relised snd_pcm_oss --- so.. don't we need alsa to have support for oss ... Aug 21 13:10:34 * Tanuva doesn't have oss at all Aug 21 13:10:51 ah? Aug 21 13:11:11 works fine with just alsa Aug 21 13:13:56 so .. why no recording then Aug 21 13:14:58 dns53, after reinstalling and reboot it worked Aug 21 13:15:14 good to hear Aug 21 13:15:15 don't ask me... maybe I'm just using arecord the wrong way :D Aug 21 13:15:43 i don't think so.... Aug 21 13:15:54 and remving the playlist file Aug 21 13:16:34 do you know a gui-application to change the volume? Aug 21 13:17:17 no idea Aug 21 13:17:46 amix ? ... Aug 21 13:17:54 ah sorry amixgui .. or something Aug 21 13:18:16 alsamixergui Aug 21 13:19:38 openmoko: 03zecke * r9971aa8a69e3 10/devices/ficgta01/src/plugins/phonevendors/ficgta01/ (vendor_ficgta01.cpp vendor_ficgta01_p.h): [ficgta01] Fix the No registration bug (#1766) Aug 21 13:21:58 openmoko: 03raster * r4602 10/developers/raster/ompower/power.c: lean code down a bit and just in case handle 0 brightness reads. Aug 21 13:21:59 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r3e5b49ea5edc 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to see if #1766 (No Network) is fixed Aug 21 13:22:31 dbmoodb, does it work on neo? Aug 21 13:25:04 hossi: it's in the armel repository in case you're using debian Aug 21 13:25:09 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * rc2f5aff5b6fd 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to see if #1766 (No Network) is fixed Aug 21 13:25:25 hossi: what ? Aug 21 13:25:36 the gui ? Aug 21 13:25:58 aha alsamixergui, just saw amixgui.. Aug 21 13:26:52 * Tanuva tries another time building e17 Aug 21 13:27:02 (argh, damn grammar...) Aug 21 13:33:19 Has anyone managed to enable proper suspend on a pure qtopia setup? Aug 21 13:48:39 can I install .deb in om2008? Aug 21 13:48:56 or is only in debian I have tha luxary? Aug 21 13:49:17 I believe you need the .ipk files not .debs Aug 21 13:49:22 hossi: if i could install .deb's in om2008 i would really think i was flying :) Aug 21 13:49:31 they are very similar things, but not the same Aug 21 13:50:43 is it possible to remake .deb to something compatible? Aug 21 13:51:04 what package do you want to convert? Aug 21 13:51:28 dns53, http://download.bittorrent.com/dl/bittorrent_5.2.0_python2.4.deb :) Aug 21 13:52:11 you know you are using flash memory and the writes will kill your memory Aug 21 13:52:40 it is a python program, extract the .deb as if it was a zip file and copy the python files to your neo Aug 21 13:52:48 hossi: don't you want rtorrent ? Aug 21 13:54:00 dbmoodb, I want it if it workes on my neo :) Aug 21 13:54:01 hossi: being that armel deb is architecture compatible with armv4t, it might be possible Aug 21 13:54:52 the only problem would be that an ipk-deb converted package might break some things on your system Aug 21 13:56:17 mmaestri: and it'll be even more challenging to add debugging symbols when it breaks Aug 21 13:57:52 lindi-: right. i guess that if the package has little or no deps to other packages, and it doesn't overwrite any existing file, it should work Aug 21 14:06:03 dbmoodb, have you tried it out? Aug 21 14:06:50 hello Aug 21 14:07:16 hey Aug 21 14:08:03 i can't see the application manager in the UI of OM2007.2 Aug 21 14:08:47 artur_, install om2008 :) Aug 21 14:08:51 rwhitby: hi Aug 21 14:08:59 are you there? Aug 21 14:09:59 hossi: well this is the hard way to make it work. any other idea ? Aug 21 14:10:23 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r52cdc7a9a13b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: cleanups to ompower. Aug 21 14:10:23 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r690891722233 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev Aug 21 14:10:52 i'm on fso-unstable from shr.bearstech.com - mount doesn't recognize ext2 as a valid filesystem type. any ideas? Aug 21 14:11:05 fair enough Aug 21 14:12:24 artur_, actually no, i'm a n00b to this phone. The they after I got the freerunner I flashed it with 2008. Aug 21 14:12:35 *day Aug 21 14:17:17 hi.. would you tell me how to change the ringtone on the freerunner 2007.02? Aug 21 14:20:13 lindi-: my build failure seems to come from eet installing itself to /usr/local Aug 21 14:20:57 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rca9ed2fbca52 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Aug 21 14:20:57 freesmartphone.org: odevice: input: fix type of 'seconds' parameter in org.freesmartphone.Device.Input.Event. Thanks Sebastian for Aug 21 14:20:57 freesmartphone.org: spotting. Aug 21 14:21:33 hallo Aug 21 14:21:52 PBeck, hey Aug 21 14:25:39 hi hossi Aug 21 14:32:10 mount doesn't recognize ext2 as a valid filesystem type... Aug 21 14:32:58 mmaestri: is ext2 listed in /proc/filesystems ? Aug 21 14:33:48 no, but ext3 is Aug 21 14:34:25 Ok, that would be the kernel defconfig then -- do you need ext2 for booting from SD card? Aug 21 14:34:48 i need ext2 to access the card Aug 21 14:35:15 Right, but if you're not booting frm the ext2 partition on the card, then you can just opkg install kerne-module-ext2 Aug 21 14:35:28 er, kernel-module-ext2 even. Aug 21 14:35:42 i get permission denied when I'm to trya ./configure Aug 21 14:36:57 mwester: the thing is, i cannot do a opkg install right now, being on a windows machine over a proxy Aug 21 14:37:42 download the .ipk with a web browser, scp it to the freerunner, and opkg install ./kernel-module-blahblah.ipk Aug 21 14:37:46 and i was looking through the files on shr.bearstech.com - kernel-module-ext2 isn't there Aug 21 14:37:57 Tanuva: should be easy to pass --prefix? Aug 21 14:40:29 mwester: that's why i was looking for rwhitby Aug 21 14:40:45 lindi-: I simply removed the packages, now using the e-nvironment completely from svn Aug 21 14:41:07 just need to recompile evas since it didn't get EET loading support (says e17) Aug 21 14:42:24 what's the name of the package one must install du compile standardprogram in OM? Aug 21 14:43:14 and in oe there's no kernel-module-ext2 for v2.6.24 / gta02 Aug 21 14:44:14 uuuuh, e17 is stylish... Aug 21 14:45:39 u havent tried the new theme yet Aug 21 14:45:39 :) Aug 21 14:46:06 that I can fetch from where? *fg* Aug 21 14:46:14 mwester: i think i'm not doing anything wrong about it, it's just that the package isn't there Aug 21 14:46:27 raster: any screenshot? Aug 21 14:46:55 raster: btw, the ssl certificate on the e-svn server has expired... Aug 21 14:47:38 how do I update qtopia without breaking it? :p Aug 21 14:47:52 mwester: if I take the gta01 kernel-module-ext2 from oe, should it work with gta02? Aug 21 14:48:07 http://www.rasterman.com/files/mydesk-01.png Aug 21 14:48:20 icons in menu are not done Aug 21 14:48:22 old icons still Aug 21 14:48:28 its being worked on Aug 21 14:48:39 thats the new theme - its in svn in themes/ Aug 21 14:48:41 b_and_w Aug 21 14:48:55 Tanuva: it hasnt expired. Aug 21 14:48:56 I get "configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH", but I have installed gcc and g++ Aug 21 14:49:14 raster: svn tells me it has Aug 21 14:49:18 Tanuva: we just have never paid a large sum to an agency to have it validated Aug 21 14:49:25 hmm Aug 21 14:49:28 but the date on it... Aug 21 14:50:40 raster: hey.. looks... smooth. milky. want!!! *g* Aug 21 14:50:49 Tanuva: ooh damn. it did... expired 11th of aug Aug 21 14:50:52 crap Aug 21 14:51:54 mwester: ok, i've got it Aug 21 14:53:40 raster: hi, any idea how tighly tied illume keyboard is to enlightenment? ;) Aug 21 14:54:04 hmm... kopete's tray icon doesn't work with e :) Aug 21 14:55:44 lindi-: entirely Aug 21 14:56:56 raster: right :( Aug 21 14:57:41 raster: i am still trying to get it to start even on x86. would you have time to debug it now (i can give read-only vnc access)? Aug 21 14:57:47 keyboard is part of illume. illume is a plugin (moudle) for e Aug 21 14:58:00 right now.. no Aug 21 14:58:02 its almost 1am Aug 21 14:58:02 ok Aug 21 15:01:29 oh fucking certificate Aug 21 15:01:40 show do i SIMPLY just extend its life Aug 21 15:02:18 just this simple blending to the new background image deserves an award. it's so... smoooooth Aug 21 15:03:07 ahahah Aug 21 15:03:13 and thats just software rendering Aug 21 15:05:05 MichaelShiloh, raster; sorry to bother you guys, but do you have an estimate if the "buzzing sound" will ever be fixed? or should i not hope for it Aug 21 15:05:27 Zorkman: absolutely no idea. not sure if it ever will be or not. Aug 21 15:05:28 I should probably better ask that question to DocScrutinizer Aug 21 15:05:37 thanks for the answer raster Aug 21 15:05:37 (ie its a software-fixable issue or not) Aug 21 15:06:02 someone called my name? ;-) Aug 21 15:06:05 as best i think i know its definitely hardware - but if there is an adequate software fix - is unknown Aug 21 15:06:06 I did :) Aug 21 15:06:10 but i dont follow that much Aug 21 15:06:29 I was just wondering if I should keep hoping for a sw-fix for the buzzing sound that the person I call hears Aug 21 15:06:56 Zorkman: no way ;.( Aug 21 15:07:10 and don't take this the wrong way, becasue I really appreciate all the effort you guys are putting into this, how could this not be detected during testing? Aug 21 15:07:58 Zorkman: because it is not that easy to reproduce at all. I never achieved to reproduce here at my lab :-/ Aug 21 15:08:00 I mean...the buzzing is annoying anough for people not wanting to call me on the FR, so I don't quite understand how it didn't show up under testing (probabaly a very good reason like with the GPS, but I haven't heard the reason yet) Aug 21 15:08:14 ah, ok.. Aug 21 15:08:34 in a few weeks I hope to do some testing with calling on different locations to different phones/networks Aug 21 15:08:38 At least some of the GSM noise appears to be in hardware. See <000d01c8fc98dd03b60@STEVELAPTOP> on the hardware mailing list. The RF from the GSM modem is leaking into the audio path. No fix as yet has been worked out, engineers are working on this issue ATM. It's possible there may be a solution with copper-tape or similar. Aug 21 15:08:54 for very strange reasn not yet understood, it even isn't possible to reproduce with test equipment Aug 21 15:08:57 It's plausible that they again checked close to a tower. Aug 21 15:08:58 At low power. Aug 21 15:09:04 so it will not have caused it. Aug 21 15:09:16 It may only be significant when you're a few Km from a tower. Aug 21 15:09:25 Causing the chipset to ramp up transmit power. Aug 21 15:09:35 And it may only happen on one waveband. Aug 21 15:10:08 DocScrutinizer: just to be sure, are there differences between A5/A6 that could influence the interference? (I thought not, but I don't know everything :)) Aug 21 15:10:18 hello all Aug 21 15:10:50 Zorkman: actually we found some small differences. We don't understand where they come from though :-/ Aug 21 15:10:51 I received my neo freerunner and I managed to make a big mess in my uboot env Aug 21 15:10:54 DocScrutinizer: Are people still investigating this error/sollution, or is it on hold (because not being able to reproduce?) Aug 21 15:11:04 transylvania: no problem, just reflash uboot Aug 21 15:11:05 how can I retrieve a proper one ? Aug 21 15:11:15 Zorkman: I'm sitting here doing nothing else whole the day Aug 21 15:11:25 Zorkman: ok but with wich one ? Aug 21 15:11:32 transylvania/ http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080820/uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin Aug 21 15:11:48 ok tanks I try this Aug 21 15:12:03 DocScrutinizer: thanks :) I hope you know I don't mean to bug you, because I really appreciate the effort you're putting into this Aug 21 15:12:21 Zorkman: np, you're welcome Aug 21 15:13:14 Zorkman: for sure you get rid of noise when desoldering the headset receptacle ;-) Aug 21 15:13:23 no kidding! Aug 21 15:13:25 raster Aug 21 15:13:53 lol :) is it hard to desolder? (I have friends with mediocre soldering skills) Aug 21 15:14:14 Zorkman: probably even disconnectin pin4 of hs-receptacle (=mic) is sufficient Aug 21 15:14:47 Zorkman: it's *very* difficult. Good chances to break the device... :-( Aug 21 15:14:55 mmm that looks even more like it, I want the headphones for mp3, but I don't really need the mic at the moment Aug 21 15:15:00 damn :( Aug 21 15:15:04 Zorkman: I just reflash uboot and I have a kernel panic, booting on nor works Aug 21 15:15:22 Zorkman: back to work... bye Aug 21 15:15:24 wouldn't connection the mic to ground solve anything? Aug 21 15:15:32 like putting in a dummy jack Aug 21 15:15:40 ah, ok, np, good luck finding a sollution :) Aug 21 15:15:55 Zorkman: yeah, we thought might help. tests didn't proove Aug 21 15:16:28 any devs in here that worked on the om2008.8 exposure/settings app? Aug 21 15:16:52 rooly: you could try raster Aug 21 15:16:56 right Aug 21 15:16:58 you may try to insert a 2.5mm jack with all contacts shorted, then set audio-profile back to gsmhandset.state. maybe helps a little Aug 21 15:17:04 he's not responding to mah highlight Aug 21 15:17:20 * Tanuva thinks about installing e17 on the neo... Aug 21 15:17:30 ok, thanks DocScrutinizer, in due time i will try this (when i buy an extra 2.5mm jac) Aug 21 15:17:58 Zorkman: ok. please report on any success! ;-) Aug 21 15:18:30 Zorkman: aren't uboot-env embedded in uboot image ? Aug 21 15:19:12 transylvania: yes, so flashing to a new uboot will give you back a working uboot Aug 21 15:19:17 Tanuva: cert fixed Aug 21 15:19:44 but _after_ flashing, I have a working nor boot but not the nand one (kernel panic) Aug 21 15:19:44 hi raster :-) Aug 21 15:19:46 raster: nice :) Aug 21 15:19:55 yo raster Aug 21 15:20:01 mind explaining something to me? Aug 21 15:20:08 this seems extremly stange to me Aug 21 15:20:11 I run sh ./configure, I have installed gcc and g++ but when I'm about to compile it say that it doesn't find the PATH to the c compiler? Aug 21 15:20:20 rooly: yo Aug 21 15:20:40 okay, remember the settings app's wifi and bluetooth code? Aug 21 15:20:49 well, here's a modified excerpt Aug 21 15:20:50 http://irrlichtirc.g0dsoft.com/paste/167 Aug 21 15:20:51 Tanuva: asu (2008.08) and fso are using e17 Aug 21 15:21:01 DocScrutinizer: yo joooooerg! Aug 21 15:21:13 :-) ;-) Aug 21 15:21:36 rooly: dude.. quick q. (yes. it's rhetorical). is the app in python (yes/no)? Aug 21 15:21:38 :) Aug 21 15:21:41 yup Aug 21 15:21:56 however, here's the problem Aug 21 15:22:00 what language do i hate almost as much as java? Aug 21 15:22:18 raster: debian here, I would compile it by hand there Aug 21 15:22:20 meh, i saw your name in the exposure todo doc Aug 21 15:23:21 the thing is, with those changes, the app now shows "unknown" for wifi and bluetooth Aug 21 15:24:20 rooly: dude. python... not even going there :) Aug 21 15:24:42 Tanuva: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8_Illume Aug 21 15:25:13 Does the Openmoko software have any ability to sync with Funambol (syncml)? Aug 21 15:27:04 raster: fso is the second part of my dualboot, I really like illume :) Aug 21 15:27:12 rooly: seriously - didnt write exposure Aug 21 15:27:15 didnt do anything on it. Aug 21 15:27:19 i dont do python Aug 21 15:27:24 's fine by me Aug 21 15:27:30 i dont do languages that tell me how i will be indenting my stuff Aug 21 15:27:30 :) Aug 21 15:27:34 but your name is still in the top todo Aug 21 15:27:43 that's why i figured you'd know something Aug 21 15:27:47 nup Aug 21 15:27:56 kk Aug 21 15:27:59 know nothing Aug 21 15:27:59 :) Aug 21 15:28:03 i'll try deleting the .pyo Aug 21 15:30:32 can it really be true that the mediaserver uses 40% of the CPU, while the pulseaudio uses 11% and the mediaplayer 5%???? I dont have anything left... Aug 21 15:30:55 hmm.. can't get emphasis/autogen.sh to find libmpd... Aug 21 15:31:46 * rooly wonders how to turn off the wifi's power Aug 21 15:33:37 raster: is it possible that there's an error in the illume code currently on svn or went something on my compile process wrong? Aug 21 15:34:24 ran whats your current problem? Aug 21 15:35:23 http://rafb.net/p/bYwtKE61.html Aug 21 15:38:36 raster, where is the wifi on the sysfs? Aug 21 15:38:46 ummm Aug 21 15:38:49 it kind of isnt Aug 21 15:38:52 right Aug 21 15:39:00 is there any way to power it down fully? Aug 21 15:39:01 wifi is done via netlink sockets when u talk to the kernel Aug 21 15:39:04 via cli Aug 21 15:39:08 some of it is visible under sysfs Aug 21 15:39:16 ifconfig eth0 down Aug 21 15:39:17 thats it Aug 21 15:39:24 ifconfig + iwconfig +iwlist Aug 21 15:39:26 are your tools Aug 21 15:39:36 i can still ping google when i use that cmmand Aug 21 15:39:43 right, keeping on Aug 21 15:41:43 not much to do there Aug 21 15:41:51 the wifi as such is buggy Aug 21 15:41:56 also u'll be competing with connmand Aug 21 15:42:01 wich is the connectionmanager Aug 21 15:42:13 as it will try keep the device up to scan Aug 21 15:42:18 unless it is told to bring it down Aug 21 15:44:34 * rooly sighs Aug 21 15:44:48 iwconfig eth0 power period 10 Aug 21 15:44:54 invalid argument "10" Aug 21 15:45:28 hmm: Aug 21 15:45:29 Downloading http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ipk/armv4t/libcairo2_1.6.4-r1_armv4t.ipk Aug 21 15:45:33 Segmentation fault (core dumped) Aug 21 15:45:36 is this a known fault? Aug 21 15:46:00 (and yes, I enabled core dump myself - tho dunno if I can have it analyzed by anything currently...) Aug 21 15:46:38 (nothing relevant seems to turn up when googling for it) Aug 21 15:50:27 any idea why my c-compiler won't show up in $PATH? Aug 21 15:51:14 Goodday. Aug 21 15:51:15 hossi, you opkg install gcc? Aug 21 15:51:27 rooly, yes Aug 21 15:51:36 you also need to opkg install gcc-symlinks Aug 21 15:52:34 * OMZ_Zepher just recieved his Freerunner Aug 21 15:53:17 OMZ_Zepher, congratulation Aug 21 15:53:24 Thank you. Aug 21 15:57:18 * OMZ_Zepher reads wiki and goes giddy with all the possibilities Aug 21 15:57:32 OMZ_Zepher, there is no end Aug 21 15:57:35 I could make a spelllink chekker Aug 21 16:00:51 OMZ_Zepher: ? Aug 21 16:01:11 dbmoodb: It was a bad pun, spelling checker. Aug 21 16:01:15 Tanuva: wtf? Aug 21 16:01:26 ummm.. Aug 21 16:01:34 looks like you have encoding issues... Aug 21 16:01:46 or somethnig else bizarre Aug 21 16:02:17 your system headers are different to all the ones i see in OE and debina or ubuntu Aug 21 16:02:59 this is debian sid/sidux.. Aug 21 16:03:08 strange Aug 21 16:03:18 So is it advised to switch to Om 2008.8? Aug 21 16:03:25 OMZ_Zepher, yes Aug 21 16:03:26 OMZ_Zepher: no Aug 21 16:03:33 *g* Aug 21 16:03:34 i build on ubuntu - done it on feisty gutsy and hardy Aug 21 16:03:45 the OE build servers use debian Aug 21 16:03:55 and many others do and it seesm to build for them Aug 21 16:04:03 and oe builds it fine Aug 21 16:04:09 something with headers is wrong Aug 21 16:04:09 hmm... Aug 21 16:04:16 OMZ_Zepher, for me it was much easier to get things going in 2008? Aug 21 16:04:18 like some of your system headers are missing #ifdef X Aug 21 16:04:20 #define X Aug 21 16:04:23 guarnds Aug 21 16:04:24 or more Aug 21 16:04:27 #ifndef X Aug 21 16:04:29 #define X Aug 21 16:04:32 .. Aug 21 16:04:34 #endif Aug 21 16:04:36 etc. Aug 21 16:05:46 you'll have to trawl your system headers Aug 21 16:05:46 like wireless.h Aug 21 16:05:48 and everything else #include before that Aug 21 16:05:51 to see where they clash Aug 21 16:05:54 hossi: What would be reasons not to do it? Aug 21 16:06:01 as more than 1 system header is defining those structs Aug 21 16:06:11 ok Aug 21 16:06:12 snooz time Aug 21 16:06:22 g'night Aug 21 16:06:25 n8 Aug 21 16:06:46 OMZ_Zepher, I made a typo, no "?" Aug 21 16:06:56 OMZ_Zepher, install om2008 Aug 21 16:07:19 is alsa has a great gui-package manager Aug 21 16:07:26 *it also Aug 21 16:08:07 hossi: Alright. Aug 21 16:08:42 does neo-debian pull packages from unstable by default? Aug 21 16:08:52 rooly, after I installade gcc-symlinks I got " C compiler cannot create executables" when I compile Aug 21 16:09:28 OMZ_Zepher: install 2008.8 on the sdcard then you can pick Aug 21 16:09:43 that way if you don't like it you don't have to reflash with 2007.2 Aug 21 16:09:48 dbmoodb: Good point, thanks Aug 21 16:10:31 Tanuva: read line 398 of install.sh Aug 21 16:12:28 Goody, first flash. *Reads && reads && reads" Aug 21 16:15:55 lindi-: thanks :) Aug 21 16:16:12 hossi, i install gcc g++ cpp, all the symlinks, and libc6 Aug 21 16:27:46 Is it a good idea to flash the kernel, root file system and uboot image in the same run? Aug 21 16:28:12 from factory to om2008 Aug 21 16:28:28 well, the kernel and rootfs probably want each other to some extent anyway Aug 21 16:28:38 uboot less so, but why not Aug 21 16:28:55 mjr: Well.. i'm asking you ;) Aug 21 16:29:25 "yes" Aug 21 16:29:47 mjr: Thanks anyway. Aug 21 16:33:36 This is fun ^_^ Aug 21 16:38:19 YAAAYYY!!!! Aug 21 16:38:37 I'm $440 poorer, which means I ordered a FreeRunner! Aug 21 16:38:49 Hurray! Aug 21 16:38:54 congrats Aug 21 16:38:58 tunys, where from? Aug 21 16:39:01 Koolu Aug 21 16:39:10 tunys, oh, 850? Aug 21 16:39:12 question: is the latest uboot stable? Aug 21 16:39:14 Yepperz Aug 21 16:39:17 anyone devs in here worked on the exposure app? Aug 21 16:39:21 enjoy :) Aug 21 16:39:22 OMZ_Zepher: that wasn't to you, sorry Aug 21 16:39:42 tunys: Ha? Aug 21 16:39:50 TAsn: I will when I come out of the initial shock of having it delivered to me Aug 21 16:40:13 OMZ_Zepher: I wasn't answering your question, I don't know of the latest uboot is stable Aug 21 16:40:13 tunys, i wish i were in you position. Aug 21 16:40:21 i still haven't ordered mine. Aug 21 16:40:24 TAsn: I'm sorry that you're not :( Aug 21 16:40:30 tunys: Ohh yes, I figured as much Aug 21 16:40:35 tunys: I just got mine today Aug 21 16:40:46 still waiting for a 900. Aug 21 16:40:47 tunys: It is sexy :O~~ Aug 21 16:40:49 OMZ_Zepher: You're not going to sleep tonight. Aug 21 16:40:52 tunys: You based in Arizona? Aug 21 16:41:00 bricode: Uuuuhhh... Aug 21 16:41:06 * tunys shifty eyes Aug 21 16:41:09 how did you know that? Aug 21 16:41:10 time has passed since july 25th... Aug 21 16:41:23 tunys: I work for Koolu. Just saw your order come in. Aug 21 16:41:27 oic Aug 21 16:41:28 Hahaha Aug 21 16:41:39 KOOLU PEERS INTO YOUR SOUL WITHOUT LOVE OR COMPASSION!!! Aug 21 16:41:52 bricode, when will i be able to get a 900? Aug 21 16:42:02 But they are delivering me a FreeRunner, so it's cool Aug 21 16:42:23 TAsn: Did you order one from Koolu? Aug 21 16:42:26 850? 900? Aug 21 16:42:36 bricode, haven't order yet. Aug 21 16:42:53 * bricode rings up fullfillment dept. Aug 21 16:42:59 i don't want to pre order Aug 21 16:43:06 i want to buy it when it's out Aug 21 16:43:14 bricode: I'll give you an imaginary Twinkie if you can make my order move along a little faster Aug 21 16:43:15 because im not sure where to order from. Aug 21 16:43:21 :) Aug 21 16:43:30 so i'm actually a costumer of the first easy to pay to shop in the world :) Aug 21 16:43:58 tunys: We usually ship next day or the day after depending on time of order and level of business. Aug 21 16:44:09 "easy to pay to" shop, that will have an fr ready for shippment that is. Aug 21 16:44:55 bricode: you should have just gotten a CTCP TWINKIE!!! from me Aug 21 16:45:40 TAsn, I can fix one for you from sweden Aug 21 16:46:19 * OMZ_Zepher got his from France Aug 21 16:47:02 hossi, i have shipment addresses in the uk, france and the us. us is the cheapest so i prefer there. Aug 21 16:47:17 hossi, how much will it cost me to get one to one of those places? Aug 21 16:47:57 Question: Is the following URL the correct uboot file for me to upload? ( http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080820/uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin ) Aug 21 16:50:16 TAsn: I can guarantee that we have 900's in stock. Aug 21 16:51:01 Wewt, it booted Aug 21 16:51:32 bricode: I can guarantee that your company is my best friend right now and will be for a little bit. Aug 21 16:52:25 so you know those prepaid phones? Aug 21 16:52:28 tunys, if you buy it from the states (and you live there) it will be cheaper than from sweden Aug 21 16:52:50 what is the status on development on the 2007.2 and 2008.8?? I like gnome, but if its not being developed it would be a shame to use Aug 21 16:52:53 bricode, so why does it take 2 weeks to ship? Aug 21 16:53:11 bricode, well i guess i will order tomorrow then :) Aug 21 16:53:26 Memo to me: The powerbutton has a different function now Aug 21 16:53:36 TAsn: it's easier to say that instead of changing the website daily. Aug 21 16:53:51 bricode, that is correct. Aug 21 16:53:54 hossi: Sweden? I'm buying from Koolu, isn't that Canada? Aug 21 16:54:00 well i will get mine tomorrow :) Aug 21 16:54:08 tunys, yes ofcourse canada Aug 21 16:54:20 hossi: I don't think anyone in US is selling FreeRunners ATM Aug 21 16:54:32 haha Aug 21 16:54:36 suckers Aug 21 16:54:46 and my order has already been placed with my new best friend Aug 21 16:54:52 tunys: We ship worldwide. Koolu also has 850s in stock. Aug 21 16:54:56 bricode, before i fill all of my details Aug 21 16:55:05 how can i pay Aug 21 16:55:12 * tunys gossips with Koolu Aug 21 16:55:18 and do you ship to addresses other the the cc owner address? Aug 21 16:55:32 bricode, are you working Koolu? Aug 21 16:55:40 on Aug 21 16:55:41 * tunys PSST... I heard the GP2XStore likes you! Aug 21 16:55:43 Hobart, he is. Aug 21 16:55:50 TAsn: Paypal, or credit card (visa/mastercard) via Paypal (you don't need a paypal account). Aug 21 16:56:04 bricode, you rock :) Aug 21 16:56:10 TAsn: We usually review the orders before they ship. If there's something odd, we'll follow up. Aug 21 16:56:17 hossi: Yes. Aug 21 16:56:24 bricode, well remember me Aug 21 16:56:31 a cc from israel shipping to the us :) Aug 21 16:56:54 i gotta admit im pretty excited. Aug 21 16:57:10 i gotta excite im pretty admitted. Aug 21 16:57:20 * OMZ_Zepher already got his and he is still excited Aug 21 16:57:33 * tunys already excited his and he is still gotten Aug 21 16:57:54 I should make a mIRC script of this Aug 21 16:58:12 er, minus the m, because I don't use mIRC Aug 21 16:58:27 bricode, on your page you say that Koolu distribute to europe but you have your stock i canada? Aug 21 16:58:40 bricode, btw, should i register with my cc owner address or shipping address? Aug 21 16:59:03 bricode, you're so cool, can I have you autograph? Aug 21 16:59:05 hossi: Right now, yes. We're ramping up distribution centers in Europe, the US and investigating it elsewhere. Aug 21 16:59:09 tunys, i guess you use pidgin on moko ;) Aug 21 16:59:33 wtf? Aug 21 16:59:36 TAsn: Whatever works for you. Probably your more regular address. Aug 21 16:59:44 Why did it say "Banana Hammock?" Aug 21 17:00:11 I... probably shouldn't have brought that into the channel Aug 21 17:00:24 tunys: I'm not famous enough for my signature to be worth anything. Aug 21 17:00:31 bricode, my real question is, will it let me ship to an address other than the one im registered with? Aug 21 17:00:37 Yes. Aug 21 17:00:38 apparently that's what it returns when somebody CTCP VERSION's me Aug 21 17:00:46 cool enough. Aug 21 17:01:14 I'm really using XChat, but this weird script I installed likes to take everything over Aug 21 17:01:35 Peter: Guns don't kill people, dangerous minorities do. Aug 21 17:01:42 whoops Aug 21 17:01:49 tunys, don't lie to us. you just like bananas Aug 21 17:01:53 bricode: any chance of koolu re-selling debug boards and spares packs in the near future? Aug 21 17:01:55 sorry, wrong menu, clicked on wrong item Aug 21 17:02:06 hi folks Aug 21 17:02:10 mmontour: Working on it. Aug 21 17:02:16 UberScript: CTCP Version request by TAsn - sending 'Banana Hammock IRC V.1.0 Aug 21 17:02:16 ' Aug 21 17:02:18 anyone using navit with libgarmin support? Aug 21 17:02:29 hey mmontour Infoport Zorkman Aug 21 17:02:54 ok, glad to hear it. Aug 21 17:06:03 bricode, you rock. :) Aug 21 17:06:11 cya all, and thanks. Aug 21 17:06:50 bricode: do you know if the SIM cards in those prepaid phones from AT&T work? Aug 21 17:07:15 tunys: Not sure. Best place to look would be the wiki. Aug 21 17:07:17 tunys: works for me Aug 21 17:07:26 asciiforever: kthx! Aug 21 17:08:02 i got the phone in question 3 years ago though Aug 21 17:08:32 when it was cingular Aug 21 17:09:32 cool Aug 21 17:09:56 I"m going to go do some things now Aug 21 17:09:56 bai Aug 21 17:12:30 the red aux led indicates kernel panic, doesn't it? Aug 21 17:13:36 Tanuva: normally it indicates: charging Aug 21 17:13:46 hmm Aug 21 17:13:57 is it flashing? Aug 21 17:14:43 8.8 crashed Aug 21 17:17:19 * Tanuva misses the matte grey surface under the shiny invisibleshield.. Aug 21 17:18:15 openmoko: 03zecke 07rsync-version * r7207f5d1f11f 10/ (1368 files in 46 dirs): Rsync snapshot as of 2008-08-21 Aug 21 17:19:20 and now it hangs with a black screen after booting :/ Aug 21 17:19:38 Is there a GUI for configuring WIFI in om2008? Aug 21 17:24:07 * OMZ_Zepher found wiki Aug 21 17:35:01 hey there, I'm having trouble accessing the GSM functions through frameworkd, I need help... Aug 21 17:44:05 Hmm, I got the "Cant make a phone call/no pin dialog" bug. *reads trac and ML* Aug 21 17:45:41 welcome at #1766 :-) Aug 21 17:46:09 peter__b: Hark! Aug 21 17:48:50 it is working sometimes for me but not all the time Aug 21 17:52:42 anyone here has the fixed libficgta01vendor.so mentioned in bug #1766 ? Aug 21 17:53:02 Anyone know if obex is built for OM? Aug 21 17:56:15 hello, anyone here has the fixed libficgta01vendor.so mentioned in bug #1766 ? Aug 21 17:56:18 ops sorry Aug 21 17:56:55 wurp2|working: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth there is an OBEX section, read it? Aug 21 17:57:05 widrone: Yeah, it's empty Aug 21 17:57:14 :-( Aug 21 17:57:51 The German version of that page says that it's for data xfer, which is not very helpful to getting me so I can actually use it Aug 21 17:58:03 wurp2|working: That was what I was studying now too accualy, sorry bout that. Dunno where that info went =P Aug 21 17:58:23 widrone: NP :-) I don't think the info was ever there - I think it's just a placeholder Aug 21 17:58:31 I think now that obex hasn't been ported to OM yet Aug 21 18:00:45 there may be obex stuff lurking in the feeds, you searched it Im guessing too? Aug 21 18:01:44 widrone: I just googled for it Aug 21 18:01:48 Hrm, but now I googled again Aug 21 18:01:56 And it does look as if there are packages Aug 21 18:02:12 Apparently my repository config doesn't include them Aug 21 18:03:06 may I safely just use lenny repositories on neodebian while having installed from unstable/experimental? Shouldn't be a problem, should it? Aug 21 18:03:50 I can guess openobex exsists in debian, but some of the other feeds may have them. Sorry, I dont really know the feeds all yet. Aug 21 18:04:31 I see indications that the angstrom feed has obex apps Aug 21 18:04:38 Trying opkg update & checking again Aug 21 18:05:48 How do I turn off the dictionary that appears with the keyboard? Aug 21 18:07:34 wurp2|working: Seems that way too, that may work. Or its roll your own time until someone picks it up elsewhere. Aug 21 18:07:43 Hrm, still no listing. I'll check my feed list tonight & verify if it's there or not. It looks as if obexftp and obexpush are the packages I need Aug 21 18:08:07 wurp2|working: I tried searching the angstrom page and gave up really, its way slow atm ;) Aug 21 18:08:31 wurp2|working: For pushing and pulling files over bt those are the ones yes Aug 21 18:10:26 haha! Cool! A finished the word "home Aug 21 18:10:40 ( got the hang of it ) Aug 21 18:13:17 wurp2|working: Dunno how easy it is adding packages to feeds, but I see obex is in the slugos feeds (also based on "OE framework" if Im not mistaken). I may be hinting to something that is totaly the wrong way of going about it really. Aug 21 18:15:04 widrone: Thanks... I'll search through the standard feeds tonight to see if I can find it Aug 21 18:15:08 If not I'll look in slugo Aug 21 18:15:21 Is slugos ARM4? Aug 21 18:15:56 wurp2|working: slugos is "something else", but its something to look into. Dont thik that is something you should plug into you feeds so to say =P Aug 21 18:16:06 Yeah Aug 21 18:16:14 But the source might compile with only minor changes Aug 21 18:16:34 wurp2|working: XScale-IXP42x Family rev 1 (v5b) Aug 21 18:17:12 wurp2|working: Thats my thinking, sort of proofed of consept but Im guessing Ill get around to trying that in a couple of weeks hehe. Aug 21 18:17:53 wurp2|working: the slug is an arm yes, underpowered compared to the freerunner too. Aug 21 18:20:16 List of all resporitories (I think) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Users_Repositories Aug 21 18:21:42 And according to that, the angstrom linked feed contains all the obex stuff so you _should_ be set, wierd. Aug 21 18:22:24 Well, I'm on ScaredyCat, but I thought I had added all the appropriate angstrom feeds Aug 21 18:22:44 Heeeey =) Aug 21 18:24:25 Does anyone know how to make phone calls with the om2007.2 image? Aug 21 18:24:33 jucs: yes... Aug 21 18:24:54 Push the dialer button (leftmost button near the top on the home app) Aug 21 18:24:57 Because it doesn't work here :-( I can dial, but after that... Aug 21 18:25:15 then dial the #s, then hit the send button, then wait for it to switch to showing the talking dialog Aug 21 18:25:31 If it isn't showing the talking dialog, something's wrong with your gsm Aug 21 18:25:39 Probably a problem recognizing your SIM Aug 21 18:25:52 You can diagnose that using libgsmd-tool Aug 21 18:26:04 The internal speaker does not do anything (silent), and if I switch to the speakers the other one can hear her/his voice 5 times... Aug 21 18:26:25 It's not about dial, the problem is that the sound doesn't work... Aug 21 18:26:46 jucs: For some reason it's not switching to the right alsa scenario, sounds like Aug 21 18:26:47 If I plug in the headset, there's kind of a noise.... hard to describe... but it is impossible to understand anything... Aug 21 18:27:12 jucs: Did you try using alsa restore on your gsmhandset scenario while in a call? Aug 21 18:27:19 Yes... Aug 21 18:27:26 Actually I've tried all of them... Aug 21 18:27:35 Echo has been a problem, but I thought it was a physical feedback Aug 21 18:27:53 It's very weird that you get a horrible echo with no sound on the neo speaker Aug 21 18:28:14 If there's electronic feedback causing the echo, it seems to me something is seriously wrong with the design :-) Aug 21 18:28:20 Yes, the speakers are next to the mic, strange setup; but why isn't it possible to use the "normal" phone speaker on the other end of the freerunner? It's always silent... Aug 21 18:28:39 jucs: Yes, for gsmhandset that speaker is the one that should be used Aug 21 18:28:46 There's a sound on the neo, but the echo is horrible... Aug 21 18:29:03 jucs: I thought you said the internal speaker doesn't do anything... Aug 21 18:29:04 wurp2|working: No, it's always silent... Aug 21 18:29:17 jucs: That sounds like a hardware problem Aug 21 18:29:24 I'm sorry, maybe it's hard to describe, I'll try more again... Aug 21 18:29:31 Or some weird problem with the specific release you're using Aug 21 18:29:35 I think I understnad now Aug 21 18:29:55 You can switch it to use the bottome two speakers, but the top (internal) speaker never works Aug 21 18:30:05 s/tome/tom/ Aug 21 18:30:05 wurp2|working meant: You can switch it to use the bottom two speakers, but the top (internal) speaker never works Aug 21 18:30:16 I've got three choices: (1) normal phone mode, (2) speakers and (3) headset... Aug 21 18:30:35 Yes wurp :-P Aug 21 18:30:42 OK Aug 21 18:30:51 Have you tried a pure qtopia install, or a 2008.8 install? Aug 21 18:31:00 'cause that's sounding like a hardware issue to me Aug 21 18:31:20 (1) <- Never works, speaker and mic is silent; (2) <- works, but with horrible echo; (3) <- works, but with a verrrry loud noise... Aug 21 18:31:21 When I get or make a call, the internal speaker is the one I hear the other person through Aug 21 18:31:30 uhmm... Aug 21 18:31:40 For 1, the mic is also silent? Aug 21 18:31:57 Maybe your gsmhandset scenario is just broken, then Aug 21 18:32:48 Yes, that's the only thing that makes me hopeful that it's a software bug: It's really absolutely dead then, no sound on no side... Aug 21 18:33:05 I don't have an ssh session to my neo right now Aug 21 18:33:24 I suggest asking someone to email you their gsmhandset scenario & giving it a try Aug 21 18:33:49 Or diffing your handset scenario with another scenario to see if you're missing some sections Aug 21 18:33:59 I've got a friend who has got the same software version... Aug 21 18:34:16 I think, I'll ask him to try and then, if it works for him, send it to me... Aug 21 18:34:46 You're running the sw that came on the phone? Aug 21 18:34:49 with no updates? Aug 21 18:35:32 No :-P The daily build... Aug 21 18:35:53 Oh Aug 21 18:35:59 Did it work before the update? Aug 21 18:36:06 Random daily builds are often broken Aug 21 18:36:30 Kevin Dean used to review them daily, but now I think he's waiting for shr Aug 21 18:37:12 I think it never worked good.... but I think it has never been that bad :-P Aug 21 18:37:29 I mean, I think the mic wasn't silent in the first version... Aug 21 18:37:32 But that's all... Aug 21 18:37:42 Anyway, on that day I didn't really care :-D Aug 21 18:38:51 I would ask around for a daily image that works & try switching to it Aug 21 18:38:58 Or try 2008.8 or something like that Aug 21 18:39:31 Are you using the 2007.2-thing? Aug 21 18:39:44 So ... do you know one good working image of it? Aug 21 18:45:23 jucs: I'm using a ScaredyCat image, which is a flavor of 2002.2 Aug 21 18:45:31 s/02/07/ Aug 21 18:45:32 wurp2|working meant: jucs: I'm using a ScaredyCat image, which is a flavor of 2007.2 Aug 21 18:45:46 I'm using his June 11 build Aug 21 18:45:50 Ahhh, okay :-P Aug 21 18:46:02 which works 'eh' Aug 21 18:46:08 It seems to lose the gsm pretty often Aug 21 18:46:09 I'll be back in some minutes, and I'll look for that... Aug 21 18:46:13 :-P Aug 21 18:46:19 but, 2007.2 is prone to that anyway Aug 21 18:46:32 There was about a 6 week period where it was pretty good, then it got bad again Aug 21 18:46:32 Jatak, Jes mÃ¥ gerne bestille to af de dyre Aug 21 18:46:39 haha, oops Aug 21 18:46:54 Dutch? Aug 21 18:47:06 norwegian Aug 21 18:47:26 Is there a way to import vcf contacts into the zhone phonebook? Aug 21 18:47:27 Or maybe danish really. Aug 21 18:48:20 johnsu01: I dunno, but I'll bet someone in openmoko-cdevel does Aug 21 18:59:11 How does zhone store its phonebook really? VCF files is text with ; separation so parsing it should be np Aug 21 19:00:12 widrone: Yeah, I'm just not sure where the phone book is stored or in what format, haven't looked into it yet. Aug 21 19:03:08 johnsu01: There is a dbus interface to the phone book, but I don't know what it looks like Aug 21 19:03:16 johnsu01: Have you looked on freesmartphone.org? Aug 21 19:04:31 wurp2|working: Doesn't seem to be much there Aug 21 19:05:00 There are docs on much of the dbus interface there... Aug 21 19:05:45 johnsu01: http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Standards/OpenTelephonyAPI#SIM Aug 21 19:06:06 Maybe a cup of tea, depending on how deep you want to duck it. Aug 21 19:06:50 Least that is for sim contacts handeling part. Aug 21 19:11:31 and if I understand this correst there could be services in /etc/freesmartphone/opreferences/schema/ Aug 21 19:12:41 for prefs services, that may or may not include pim info. Im guessing not, since this seems very "profile" alike. Aug 21 19:12:52 More for settings and sutch i think Aug 21 19:18:50 I can't find the gta02-Imaga of ScaredyCat, have you got an url? I'm searching here, but it always says "gta01" http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/?M=D Aug 21 19:19:11 @wurp2|working Aug 21 19:19:23 Anyone have a pointer on how to flash NOR? I seem to have misplaced my link. Aug 21 19:19:32 You can't. Aug 21 19:19:36 Without a debug board. Aug 21 19:19:41 SpeedEvil: I've got one of them. Aug 21 19:19:44 Ah. Aug 21 19:19:46 got my OpenMoko Freerunner today and just upgraded the software to om-2008.8 ... great work guys! booting is still a little slow, but besides this, it's looking really impressive Aug 21 19:19:47 Sorry... Aug 21 19:19:51 I'm blind... Aug 21 19:20:14 did anyone already analyze why it takes that long booting (maybe bootchart works, i don't know...) Aug 21 19:20:16 bricode: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_NOR Aug 21 19:20:37 widrone: Thanks. Aug 21 19:21:39 Is it possible to get the wlan interface of the FreeRunner to work in mode master? The idea of turning the phone into a wireless access point would be quite neat Aug 21 19:22:23 eliasp: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_time_reduction_plan Aug 21 19:22:46 CVirus: thx Aug 21 19:22:53 np Aug 21 19:24:02 anyone know if the distributors have the next shipment of 850s (with the capacitor GPS fix) yet? Aug 21 19:27:46 kelvie: Not yet from what I know. Aug 21 19:28:20 moooooooooooooooooose! Aug 21 19:28:30 * Chox vanishes for another week Aug 21 19:28:31 capacitor gps fix? Aug 21 19:29:06 ronny: There were harmonics from the sd_clk that caused issues with gps fix. Aug 21 19:29:13 this word guessing of the keyboard application is really great stuff... but is there a way to make it learn new words? Aug 21 19:29:27 bricode: ah, so its the sdcard issue? Aug 21 19:29:47 yes Aug 21 19:29:56 ronny: They've solved it a couple of ways: change the drive strength of the sd_clk in s/w, or add a capacitor to change the harmonic frequencies. Aug 21 19:29:58 well - it's not certain it's harmonics AIUI Aug 21 19:29:58 bricode: any way to fix that on a already brought device? Aug 21 19:30:04 ronny: yes Aug 21 19:30:13 good Aug 21 19:30:18 ronny: it can be reworked if you can find it Aug 21 19:30:18 bricode: ah.. thanks Aug 21 19:30:24 ronny: someone to do it that is. Aug 21 19:30:46 ronny: or you can live with the slight lack of performance that will only geenrally affect you in poor GPS conditions. Aug 21 19:30:46 is there any howto? Aug 21 19:31:00 ronny: you absolutely cannot fix it yourseldf. Aug 21 19:31:25 ronny: unless you know how to solder 0402. Aug 21 19:31:42 SpeedEvil: we also fix broken smd's graphic cards and mainboards, so its within the possible Aug 21 19:32:02 (we are hobbyist hardware breakers) Aug 21 19:32:19 Look at Shop:SpeedEvil on the wiki Aug 21 19:32:23 it's got a rundown Aug 21 19:32:27 and a link Aug 21 19:33:25 got a url to that wiki page (using it in the addres bar end up with doesnt exist) Aug 21 19:33:56 oh, wait it actually works from search Aug 21 19:35:35 anyone hae trouble getting the phone to send dtmf tones after the call is connected? Aug 21 19:36:43 I saw a page on letting the gsm have its way during the FIX fase, cant find the page in the wiki atm. Aug 21 19:37:43 Hey... does anyone know why a download of the rootfs crashes with the following output of dfu-util:  dfu_upload error -110? Aug 21 19:38:04 Upload... I mean, I want to make a backup of the phone's root-fs... Aug 21 19:39:06 dfu-util upload is broken Aug 21 19:39:12 !ombug 1843 Aug 21 19:39:20 * * Bug 1843, Status: Unknown Error () Aug 21 19:39:31 -.- Aug 21 19:39:48 mmontour: looks like ombug is broken, too Aug 21 19:39:50 hmmm, guess that doesn't work any more. http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1843 Aug 21 19:40:29 I wonder if "ombug" was ever updated after the bugzilla->trac migration Aug 21 19:40:36 hey everyone Aug 21 19:42:40 Ah, here is this SD/GPS page I was looking for http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_GPS_Software_Fix_TTFF_Measurement_Test (says very alpha) Aug 21 19:43:11 eliasp, some analysis I did for Neo1973 about boot time http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Alessandro#BOOT_PHASE Aug 21 19:43:22 ronny / SpeedEvil is that realted to what you were discussing at all? Aug 21 19:45:23 Ghiottone: thx, interesting Aug 21 19:45:37 widrone: thats a software fix, we discussed a hardware fix Aug 21 19:45:55 Ghiottone: Evening :) Aug 21 19:46:17 ronny: Ah ok, you know if that software fix is related to the sdcards partitions dying on suspend. Or unrelated? Aug 21 19:46:51 widrone: no idea, new to the topic of fixing that stuff Aug 21 19:49:21 !ombug 666 Aug 21 19:49:29 * * Bug 666, Status: Unknown Error () Aug 21 19:49:50 almost nice :) Aug 21 19:50:38 ~fish cdbot2 Aug 21 19:50:39 * apt slaps cdbot2 around with a large trout Aug 21 19:51:00 Zorkman: i'm affected by 666 too... just ordered a new sim at o2 Aug 21 19:51:07 is there a !help or !command list for those bots? Aug 21 19:51:23 eliasp: I'm not :) I only suffer from the gsm buzzing sound on the other end :( Aug 21 19:51:31 ah, ok Aug 21 19:55:52 mmaestri: managed to package navit btw since a second persond asked it Aug 21 19:55:58 mmaestri: see mailing list Aug 21 19:57:08 lindi-: Aug 21 19:57:16 lindi-: :p ok Aug 21 19:57:36 lindi-: for which distro? Aug 21 19:57:44 Tanuva: debian Aug 21 19:57:45 i've flashed fso-unstable from shr.bearstech.com Aug 21 19:57:56 lindi-: :) Aug 21 19:57:57 and navit is on its feeds Aug 21 19:58:18 * Tanuva tries to compile e17 on the neo Aug 21 19:58:20 lindi-: have you debianized libgarmin too? Aug 21 19:59:42 mmaestri: never heard of it Aug 21 19:59:55 Tanuva: on debian? Aug 21 20:00:06 yes Aug 21 20:00:16 Tanuva: why do you torture your neo so much? ;) Aug 21 20:00:24 Tanuva: just compile under qemubuilder :P Aug 21 20:00:27 although I wouldn't speak of "compiling" yet Aug 21 20:00:27 lindi-: libgarmin helps navit to use garmin maps as a backend Aug 21 20:00:35 mmaestri: what are garmin maps? Aug 21 20:00:39 lindi-: if I knew how that works... lemme take a look :D Aug 21 20:01:04 Tanuva: qemubuilder --build foo.dsc Aug 21 20:01:20 Tanuva: setup instructions are in wiki Aug 21 20:01:32 garmin uses a file format that can be generated via mapsource Aug 21 20:01:48 mapsource is a program made by garmin Aug 21 20:01:50 Tanuva: nice thing about qemubuilder is that it will do all compilations in a clean environment and it detects missing dependencies Aug 21 20:02:09 mmaestri: i'm confused, is somebody distributing maps in that format? Aug 21 20:02:52 i have a nokia n95, with a program named GarminXT Mobile. it uses this file format to show maps Aug 21 20:03:06 garmin files can be found anywhere on internet Aug 21 20:03:27 mmaestri: are there any maps that can be legally modified and redistributed in that format? Aug 21 20:03:38 yes Aug 21 20:03:38 mmaestri: (since afaik openstreetmap did not use garmin format) Aug 21 20:03:58 lindi-: I know that I saw this term somewhere on the wiki but even google cannot find it Oo Aug 21 20:04:32 does anyone happen to have bitbake recipe for gsmd2? Aug 21 20:04:43 lindi-: i know. but it's legal and distributable. i'm using a compilation of maps made freely available here in my country Aug 21 20:05:30 mmaestri: but are the modified versions redistributable too? Aug 21 20:06:14 why wouldn't be they? Garmin gives you a map builder, named MapSource Aug 21 20:06:33 lindi-: ah, its the debian wiki. :x Aug 21 20:07:46 Tanuva: yep Aug 21 20:08:02 mmaestri: what are the exact licensing terms? Aug 21 20:09:15 wait a sec Aug 21 20:13:15 can't find the license for Garmin IMG files, but: Aug 21 20:13:33 there are many open source tools that handle the format Aug 21 20:15:12 hmm, anyone aware of hoyybist os's for the phones ? Aug 21 20:16:57 mmaestri: i've uploaded the latest svnrev of libgarmin but they are not tested yet Aug 21 20:17:03 http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/misc/?C=M;O=D Aug 21 20:17:41 Marcel_M: are you the mantainer of navit && libgarmin? Aug 21 20:17:47 no Aug 21 20:18:03 are you somewhat involved in the project? Aug 21 20:18:13 i have just compiled it for the fr Aug 21 20:19:23 ronny: Aren't all the OSes for neos hobbyist OSes? Aug 21 20:19:33 if you want to test them with navit you need a navit-vers with copiled in support for libgarmin Aug 21 20:20:21 wurp2|working: linux isnt a hobbyist os, im not aware of others Aug 21 20:20:35 ronny: Linux isn't a hobbyist OS? Aug 21 20:20:39 wurp2|working: im talking about hacking custom kernels from the scratch Aug 21 20:20:50 That's what Linux is... Aug 21 20:20:55 wurp2|working: most linux development is paid by enterprises Aug 21 20:20:57 Marcel_M: i was telling lindi- about libgarmin, and garmin file format. he said he didn't knew it existed Aug 21 20:21:05 It's just that people started the "from scratch" a long time ago Aug 21 20:21:08 mmaestri: use this one http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/navit-dbg_0.1.0+svnrev1241-r0_armv4t.ipk Aug 21 20:21:29 ronny: That seems like a very strange & arbitrary line to draw, to me... Aug 21 20:21:35 wurp2|working: linux isnt hobbyisnt any more since the core are paid full time Aug 21 20:22:17 mmaestri: tools exists but is there free data too? Aug 21 20:22:47 Marcel_M: i've managed to install navit && libgarmin, and tell navit to use it with my maps. it seems slow, at least with the versions i've used Aug 21 20:22:50 wurp2|working: linux is in the enterprise since years, anything thats there clearly disqualifies for the term hobbyist Aug 21 20:23:35 wurp2|working: there are of course still hobbyists working on it, but that doesnt change the fact that most of the development is paid by fsckin big companies Aug 21 20:23:51 but... I'm trying to figure out why you would care Aug 21 20:24:04 mmaestri: but you need to change navit.xml (plugins path should be http://phpfi.com/345999 ) Aug 21 20:24:11 lindi-: is free to use it, and generate data, so i guess it's free in that sense. take a look at this: http://www.proyectomapear.com.ar/ Aug 21 20:24:28 wurp2|working: i want something simple thats easy to hack and play with Aug 21 20:24:47 wurp2|working: after all the mokos are a great arm dev platform thats basically not breakable Aug 21 20:25:08 ronny: So what you're really asking for is a simple, open OS that runs on OM Aug 21 20:25:16 yup Aug 21 20:25:32 k, I dunno of one :-) Aug 21 20:25:37 mmaestri: great, but yes it's slow Aug 21 20:25:54 Although I think you could strip the hell out of any of the existing distros to get what you want Aug 21 20:25:57 debian is not "a simple, open OS"? ;) Aug 21 20:26:25 widrone: I think he's saying it fails on the "simple" front Aug 21 20:26:52 Marcel_M: have you tested navit with garmin maps? is it "that" slow? Aug 21 20:26:56 But, honestly, software is hard. I think any OS that does much of anything is going to be complex once you get it reasonably bug free & feature full Aug 21 20:26:57 mmhyeah I would've suggested debian for easy to play with Aug 21 20:27:17 Navit seemed very acceptable in speed to me, as long as I don't have routing going on Aug 21 20:27:53 i got just an small downloaded map and even with this one its really slow :) Aug 21 20:28:43 Marcel_M: I had one that showed a busy metroplex, about 40 x 40 miles, and it ran fine - just slightly slower than tango is (when the maps are cached) Aug 21 20:28:53 much faster than tango w/o cached maps :-) Aug 21 20:29:07 And taking *much* less space to cover the same maps, if you want detailed map info Aug 21 20:29:22 wurp2|working: i like navit but not with the garmin maps (/me uses small osm maps) Aug 21 20:30:30 Marcel_M: Oh, sorry, I haven't used it with garmin, only osm Aug 21 20:30:49 I should pay more attention :-) Aug 21 20:30:57 np :) Aug 21 20:31:20 * UndrWater is trying to get a working osm...but seems impossible in my area? Aug 21 20:31:38 UndrWater: Did you check out the maps online? Aug 21 20:31:50 mmaestri: yes but is the data just from openstreetmap? Aug 21 20:32:01 UndrWater: where are you? Aug 21 20:32:01 mmaestri: if yes, why use garmin format and not osm? Aug 21 20:32:13 If they're there online, you should be able to download them. Otherwise, you need to build 'em :-) Aug 21 20:33:14 SpeedEvil: los angeles are Aug 21 20:33:17 *area Aug 21 20:33:36 i found a california one...but it was HUGE Aug 21 20:33:42 UndrWater: You mean OSM has no coverage? Aug 21 20:34:15 I thought LA was well covered. Aug 21 20:35:03 SpeedEvil: difficult to say...but when i plug in the lat and lon on that wget command, i get 404 error Aug 21 20:35:30 uou can't get >0.25 square degrees. Aug 21 20:35:42 what wget command? Aug 21 20:36:16 Browse to your area on openstreetmap.org Aug 21 20:37:28 UndrWater: You can dl maps for exactly the lat-long range you want Aug 21 20:38:03 UndrWater: You may have to expand out your area... there is some minimum range, about .1 degree, I think. Aug 21 20:38:04 wurp2|working: SpeedEvil: i wasn't aware of the 0.25 limit...that should help Aug 21 20:38:26 I have a script that starts dling a small area, and increases in size until it succeeds Aug 21 20:38:26 UndrWater: that is only data downloaded from the API. In OSM format, not Aug 21 20:38:30 tiles Aug 21 20:39:07 * UndrWater is totally newb in this area Aug 21 20:39:16 wurp2|working: can you share the script? Aug 21 20:39:31 I can definitely share it in the next 7 hours Aug 21 20:39:38 I can do so right now if my linux machine at home is up Aug 21 20:39:39 checking Aug 21 20:39:58 It is, looking for the script Aug 21 20:40:21 SpeedEvil: so where do the tiles come from? Aug 21 20:40:57 SpeedEvil: or is wikipedia a good place to get this info? general overview of getting gps maps on a device Aug 21 20:41:20 UndrWater: the tiles are generated weekly from the OSM data and are thrown onto a large server. Aug 21 20:41:42 wiki.openstreetmap.org may be of use. Aug 21 20:42:25 UndrWater: http://pastebin.com/m12a27029 Aug 21 20:42:45 I called it dlOsm.sh. Just call it with the min lat, max lat, min long, max long Aug 21 20:42:48 In decimal Aug 21 20:44:38 wurp2|working: thanks...isn't that on the wiki? Aug 21 20:45:47 lindi-: because i've already have the data. it covers all my country, with detailed info on every major city Aug 21 20:46:07 UndrWater: Not afaik... I wrote it Aug 21 20:46:15 I might have put it on the wiki & forgot about it Aug 21 20:46:24 in fact, that's downright likely :-) Aug 21 20:46:31 SpeedEvil: if you were asking me, i'm from Argentina Aug 21 20:46:37 mmaestri: no Aug 21 20:46:41 namely the ass of the world Aug 21 20:46:43 ok Aug 21 20:46:46 mea: UndrWater Aug 21 20:47:21 http://openstreetmap.org/ Aug 21 20:47:27 then go to your area Aug 21 20:47:51 Then go to 'export' Aug 21 20:48:01 and select the area using 'manually select a different area'. Aug 21 20:48:03 Oh, yup, I did put it on the wiki :-) Aug 21 20:48:27 this gives you xyx1y1 Aug 21 20:50:54 UndrWater: I think I had it backwards regarding the download... Aug 21 20:51:07 UndrWater: I think if your area is too big (has too much stuff in it) it will fail Aug 21 20:51:17 wurp2|working: ok...so the way i tried to use your script...go to OSM, browse to my area, click export tab which shows the lat-lon range and plug those in the end of the script Aug 21 20:51:30 Which is why the script dls everything in .1 x .1 degree pieces & patches them together Aug 21 20:52:54 UndrWater: I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop... Aug 21 20:53:34 well...let me try on your shoes ;) Aug 21 20:54:20 Oh, so the script is still running? Aug 21 20:54:54 haven't started yet Aug 21 20:54:55 iirc it takes quite a while, and lots of disk space as it goes Aug 21 20:55:02 is there a 'hidden' terminal somewhere in 2008.8? Aug 21 20:55:03 How you described is the correct way Aug 21 20:55:12 anything working for a right mouse click in debian? Aug 21 20:55:38 ok...good...umm...OSM puts the range in top, bottom, left, right...which is the right order for your script? Aug 21 20:55:40 Lots of info is duplicated in those .1 x .1 degree squares. It gets normalized out when the pieces get stitched together into the final bin file Aug 21 20:55:59 I think that order is correct Aug 21 20:56:39 Oh, btw... my script is untested outside the NW quartosphere or whatever you call it :-) Aug 21 20:57:01 Although I would think some aussie would have bitched about it by now if it didn't work there Aug 21 20:57:40 now...do i have to zoom in to a certain degree? or is it pretty much whatever i want? Aug 21 21:01:47 UndrWater: It should work at whatever level you want Aug 21 21:01:51 but the in between data usage may be very big Aug 21 21:02:13 And the final product is a single bin file, so you have no way to put part of it on your neo, it's all or nothing Aug 21 21:02:50 but the final bin file should be small, compared to the corresponding tiles down to level 15 in tango Aug 21 21:03:30 ValueError: invalid literal for float(): 33.7, Aug 21 21:04:01 should i use quotes? Aug 21 21:04:56 no...quotes didn't work either Aug 21 21:05:14 UndrWater: Don't put in commas... Aug 21 21:05:33 space? Aug 21 21:05:41 Yeah, just space separate them Aug 21 21:05:47 Like normal arguments to a program Aug 21 21:06:08 The lat & long have to be all decimal, though Aug 21 21:06:23 No degrees + minutes + seconds Aug 21 21:07:08 OK...so i called the script getOSM Aug 21 21:07:20 here's my command: Aug 21 21:08:11 getOSM 33.7 34.1 -117.8 -118.4 Aug 21 21:08:23 no error...but nothing is generated Aug 21 21:08:28 I think the last two parms are backwars Aug 21 21:08:33 s/wars/wards/ Aug 21 21:08:34 wurp2|working meant: I think the last two parms are backwards Aug 21 21:08:37 min then max Aug 21 21:08:45 should be 118 117? Aug 21 21:08:48 which for negative #s means put the one with the bigger absolute value first Aug 21 21:08:52 yeah Aug 21 21:08:59 :P doh! Aug 21 21:09:19 I think I actually made the same mistake one time running my own script :-) Aug 21 21:09:27 It really should tell you when you do that Aug 21 21:09:35 But I thought it was more fun just to let you figure it out Aug 21 21:10:58 wget -O map0.osm http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/map?bbox=33.7,-118.4,33.8,-118.3 Aug 21 21:11:25 bunch of those up to map27....but nothing in the dir Aug 21 21:11:40 No map0.osm in your dir? Aug 21 21:11:44 Do you have wget installed? Aug 21 21:11:52 and script ran quickly...so i'm thinking 404? would it generate that error? yes wget installed Aug 21 21:11:57 Try executing the command directly Aug 21 21:12:04 k Aug 21 21:12:05 the one you just copied here Aug 21 21:12:35 It's possible the api has changed since I wrote the script :-( Aug 21 21:12:35 yep...404 bad request Aug 21 21:12:51 Can you try to dl a map section from their website, and see how the URL differs? Aug 21 21:13:16 how do i get a section? Aug 21 21:13:30 I don't remember :-) Aug 21 21:13:41 I think I took it from the navit wiki page originally Aug 21 21:14:17 i'm trying to use the 'export' page directly... Aug 21 21:14:54 waiting a long time for api.openstreetmap.org Aug 21 21:17:04 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/map?bbox=-118.347,33.616,-117.765,33.98 Aug 21 21:17:22 I don't understand how the Predictive Keyboard works. When i touch the "a", it proposes "e" -_- Aug 21 21:17:24 that's in the browser bar...should i be getting some kind of file? Aug 21 21:17:42 how do i get shell access on OM-2008.8? i'd like to configure networking in any way (WLAN, Bluetooth, USB..) Aug 21 21:18:19 anyone know the magic place to change/prevent screen dimming? Aug 21 21:18:23 UndrWater: Hrm... There's an example of bbox on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/OSM_Protocol_Version_0.5 that works Aug 21 21:18:25 And has the same format Aug 21 21:18:32 Deubeuliou: just type further... it tries to match a word based on your movement on the keyboard... if no word matches, you can type it directly by using the Zoom feature Aug 21 21:18:32 Let me check it with similar values to yours Aug 21 21:18:38 specifically, is there a /sys file to poke a timeout into? Aug 21 21:18:56 eliasp, I noticed the zoom thing. but it is too slow :S Aug 21 21:19:19 Is it possible, at least, to have a dictionnary in another language than english ? Aug 21 21:19:32 Deubeuliou: yeah, could be little faster... but what i'm actually missing more... the keyboard learning words i typed once using the zoom-feature Aug 21 21:19:36 ab0oo, on wich distribution ? Aug 21 21:19:43 UndrWater: I think my box is still too big :-( Aug 21 21:19:59 Try changing the .1 to .05 or .01 Aug 21 21:20:03 debian, but I'm thinking/hoping that they all share the same underlying system calls Aug 21 21:20:07 or is it possible to have this keyboard, but w/o prediction ? Aug 21 21:20:28 I don't know, then Aug 21 21:20:37 me too either Aug 21 21:20:55 wurp2|working: on the script? Aug 21 21:21:58 wurp2|working: no...i used the ranges shown on the browser...it seems to be working now! :) Aug 21 21:22:32 not finished yet...but i've got a map0.osm now Aug 21 21:23:05 size is 0 still tho :( Aug 21 21:23:06 does the WLAN AP finder work for anyone in 2008.8? Aug 21 21:23:29 eliasp: you get "unknown"? Aug 21 21:23:35 UndrWater: yes Aug 21 21:24:53 UndrWater: Yeah, I'm looking at the site Aug 21 21:24:53 http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td586543i20|a663040 Aug 21 21:25:12 eliasp: that link is for you ;) Aug 21 21:25:13 I'm getting empty xml for .1 x .1 squares, too, and errors for bigger ones Aug 21 21:25:27 I think the osm site is fubar right now Aug 21 21:25:43 .pokeapi Aug 21 21:25:44 oops Aug 21 21:25:50 wurp2|working: hehe...my first thought... Aug 21 21:25:54 ¹Check the topic on irc.oftc.net #osm Aug 21 21:26:11 but i didn't want to rule out user error Aug 21 21:26:12 UndrWater: ok, got it what you're trying to tell me ;-) Aug 21 21:26:14 XorA|gone: are you involved in fso development? Aug 21 21:26:55 UndrWater: It has been pretty picky in the past, but I wrote the script to work around that pickiness Aug 21 21:27:07 It seems to be either giving empty datasets or errors for any value I try now Aug 21 21:27:36 eliasp: did it fix it? Aug 21 21:29:53 i'll probably try a downgrade.... http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1734 Aug 21 21:31:13 i'd use the solution provided in bug 1734, but as i don't have any network yet and WiFi is the only chance to get one without access to a terminal... downgrade seems to be the way to go Aug 21 21:31:34 mickeyl: you around? I'm fighting with mdbus and could use some advice Aug 21 21:31:56 where's the problem? Aug 21 21:32:07 dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "(unset)" member "Introspect" error name "(unset)" destination ":1.0") Aug 21 21:32:16 for just about anything, but specifically: Aug 21 21:32:25 mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd Aug 21 21:32:57 the end-goal is to use dbus to disable the "dim after X seconds" as defined in /etc/frameworkd.conf Aug 21 21:33:28 try the latest mdbus Aug 21 21:33:30 I have a BT mouse/keyboard, but they do not restart the dim timer. only a touchscreen even seems to do that. Aug 21 21:33:48 you can't use dbus to disable dim after X seconds atm. Aug 21 21:33:50 apt-get install mdbus ? Aug 21 21:33:50 well Aug 21 21:33:57 unless you want to send SetState Busy all the time Aug 21 21:33:59 err, no Aug 21 21:34:03 download from the git repository Aug 21 21:34:45 i have no idea which version is packaged for you, but try the latest version directly from git first Aug 21 21:35:18 mdbus is a script, so you can just copy it from git to your device Aug 21 21:35:21 overwrite your current one Aug 21 21:35:32 ok, working on that. Aug 21 21:35:41 does the alarm of the Qtopia distro work when the phone is in suspend mode ? Aug 21 21:36:05 I guess it's very hard to make an alarm that works even when the phone is off ? Aug 21 21:36:14 Deubeuliou: not really Aug 21 21:36:18 it's easy Aug 21 21:36:19 Deubeuliou: it just needs to be coded. Aug 21 21:36:22 but i have no idea bout qtopia Aug 21 21:36:24 try #qtopia Aug 21 21:36:36 ah ok Aug 21 21:38:47 deubeuliou: it worked even if the device is shutdown Aug 21 21:38:57 mickeyl: ok, thanks for the help. I'll play with it in a few, but momma just put dinner on the table. I did get the newest version from git. Aug 21 21:39:12 wow Aug 21 21:39:15 would a trac entry requesting the ability to control dim timeout from dbus be appropriate? Aug 21 21:39:25 anone here who knows what i have to change after moving the makefile stuff to anaother directory? Aug 21 21:39:35 cant find where TMPDIR is set Aug 21 21:39:45 deubeliou: i had an entry in my calendar, removed the alarm, and uboot waked up at that times Aug 21 21:40:01 ab0oo: feel free to add it, but the question will come "why do you need that rather than editing the .conf file" Aug 21 21:40:17 lateron there will be an UI config frontend Aug 21 21:40:28 mickeyl: I think to disable it at sometimes, while leaving it enabled for others Aug 21 21:40:37 like the bluetooth keyboard example Aug 21 21:40:42 ah, wait Aug 21 21:40:44 mickeyl: logged in Aug 21 21:40:46 that's different Aug 21 21:41:06 what you want is to temporarily disabling timers altogether, right? Aug 21 21:41:11 this is a different thing than changing the timers Aug 21 21:41:21 disabling timers altogether is on my list of things to do Aug 21 21:41:27 * johnsu01 nods Aug 21 21:41:38 good Aug 21 21:41:41 mickeyl: do you need any output, I can connect remotely? but that will set the modem in gprs mode Aug 21 21:41:42 though, I guess it's reasonable to just want to make the timer much longer in the case of using a keyboard Aug 21 21:41:44 i'm not opposed to adding things when i see a usecase Aug 21 21:42:04 or, is the problem that the dim should consider input from sources like the keyboard Aug 21 21:42:27 *nod* Aug 21 21:42:33 dim should actually honor BT keyboards Aug 21 21:42:39 that would be the right way Aug 21 21:42:44 (and my goal) Aug 21 21:42:47 yeah, I think so.. I think ab0oo is just looking for a temporary fix since it doesn't Aug 21 21:42:59 (and I'll be looking for the same fix once I get a keyboard ;) ) Aug 21 21:43:05 agreed. temp. fix. is to edit conf file or send SetState("BUSY") all the time Aug 21 21:44:11 i ordered an USB gender changer Aug 21 21:44:22 once this comes, i will be able to do tests with USB keyboards as well Aug 21 21:44:54 althought BT is slightly more involved probably, since this doesn't come in via stock input node Aug 21 21:45:02 right Aug 21 21:49:26 hi there Aug 21 21:49:58 is anybody here with experience on wpa_supplicant's dbus interface? Aug 21 21:50:26 or at least with general experience with python-dbus? (as i want to control wpa_supplicant through dbus with python) Aug 21 21:51:29 i have a problem with a dbus.Dictionary here... the method i try to call wants one of these, but it always complains about the wrong arguments altough i supply one Aug 21 21:54:08 Is there a way to always stop at the boot menu? I managed to set bootdelay=-1 and I have it stop at the openmoko sunrise logo, but then I can't see the menu (although I get a serial console) Aug 21 21:54:29 Ideally, I'd like to configure the freerunner to always show the boot menu (like if I press power + aux) Aug 21 21:55:28 enrico: current u-boot should support that if you set an env variable, something like "setenv stop_in_menu yes" Aug 21 21:56:16 mmontour: I'll try that. Is there a list of such env variables? Aug 21 21:57:16 mmontour: oh yes! It works Aug 21 21:57:26 There's a "Bootloader Environment" wiki page but I don't know if it's up-to-date Aug 21 21:58:12 mmontour: thanks Aug 21 22:03:03 mickeyl where did you order the USB gender changer? That is one I could use... I havent found good multi-adapter USB kits around here, and seems to be left out of ones I saw online Aug 21 22:04:04 Mindfactory AG Aug 21 22:04:11 1 USB Gender Changer A Buchse an MiniA-5-Pin Stecker Aug 21 22:04:38 Is there a way / plans to have the wlan interface work in mode master? At the moment, iwconfig eth0 mode master gives me Invalid argument Aug 21 22:04:52 No Aug 21 22:05:03 The firmware doesn't yet support it. Aug 21 22:05:08 It's uncertain if it will. Aug 21 22:05:12 As I understand it. Aug 21 22:05:15 s/uncertain/unlikely/ Aug 21 22:05:16 Also no preomisc mode Aug 21 22:05:32 SpeedEvil: I see. Is there a reason? Aug 21 22:05:52 enrico: the chipset maker does not support that with their stock upload to the device firmware AIUI Aug 21 22:06:20 SpeedEvil: ok Aug 21 22:07:19 is anyone running one of the latest daily builds from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/ ?? i'm just trying them, hoping to get WLAN working... but didn't have success with the latest one (21), kernel fails on boot... Aug 21 22:09:06 Deubeuliou: qtopia is dependent on whether the at command works properly Aug 21 22:09:11 mickeyl ah...Mindfactory doesnt look like they do across-seas orders (or not easily for me, banks here dont change currency cheaply) I guess I'll keep looking Aug 21 22:10:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWJjNF36DfI (from linuxworld) Aug 21 22:13:36 eliasp, I am running 20080820 I believe. I borked my OM2007 and then reflashed it the other morning. Aug 21 22:13:57 Infoport: just gut 0821 running using uImage from 0820.... Aug 21 22:14:42 yeeehaw, it is finding WLAN APs now! Aug 21 22:17:18 Infoport: where do i find 'backspace' on the new keyboard in 0820/21 ?? it's different than the one in 0808 where you just could use the gesture 'Left' Aug 21 22:18:18 ah, found it in the 'terminal' mode Aug 21 22:18:35 I think there is a full matchbox ketboard Aug 21 22:19:24 Zorkman that video shows one with a silver case, with "FIC" instead of "Neo"-- where did that model come from? Aug 21 22:19:43 that's probably the previous model Aug 21 22:19:44 Neo1973 Aug 21 22:20:03 but did the 1973 already have GPS? Aug 21 22:20:05 indeed Aug 21 22:20:42 mickeyl wasn't the Neo1973 either white/black or white/orange? Aug 21 22:20:43 eliasp: yes it did Aug 21 22:20:54 eliasp: it was another GPS unit though Aug 21 22:20:54 Infoport: no, silver/black or white/orange Aug 21 22:21:10 I like the design of the FR more Aug 21 22:21:27 (I really liked the color and feel, too bad I covered it up with a screen protector :( :)) Aug 21 22:21:44 Everyone I met likes the design of the FR Aug 21 22:21:58 *sigh* I wanted one, but had to wait for $$ at the last moment. I would have bought the orage however-- seems more geeky-prototype Aug 21 22:22:07 (but it wouldn't hurt being a little thinner...) Aug 21 22:22:31 i liked the orange Aug 21 22:22:40 did the Neo1973 say "FIC" or are they showing an _early_ prototype? Aug 21 22:22:52 the neo1973 did say FIC Aug 21 22:23:20 anyway, we didn't buy te phone for it looks! Aug 21 22:23:43 (we bought it for the good audio quality and 3d acceleration ;-)) Aug 21 22:24:47 I LOVE the Lao Tsu quotation in the box-- great ideology, without bringing in controversial OSS figurehead (who I actually like too, but Tao is the Way) Aug 21 22:24:49 i bought it, because it's the most perfect phone for me ever (except the fact it is missing UMTS) Aug 21 22:25:19 Infoport: I agree Aug 21 22:26:04 well I'd rather have an answer & hangup KEY, and a flip cover or a sliding cover like the N770, but I just keep telling myself I'll be able to afford another incarnation ALSO Aug 21 22:26:08 I didn't order with pullster, but he shipped gummy bears with the phone, that I also liked :) Aug 21 22:27:38 actually, a sliding cover (that goes on back when open, like N770) could easily be a case mod Aug 21 22:28:55 Infoport: but wouldn't aux=lock screen solve that withouth a case mod? Aug 21 22:29:29 <[Rui]> Zorkman: damn you for reminding me of the sweet gummy bears that are no longer! Aug 21 22:29:32 <[Rui]> :) Aug 21 22:29:33 Zorkman I'd like a thin cover that protected the screen Aug 21 22:29:51 ah, I see Aug 21 22:30:09 I bought a screenprotector, so I think it'll be fine Aug 21 22:30:12 I guess I can use a "screen protector" but I kind of like the protection of the hard cover Aug 21 22:30:26 yeah, I understand Aug 21 22:30:41 Xorkman the N770 also has a tiny magnet or something, so it can sense the cover on/off Aug 21 22:30:45 I use an invisibleshield and it looks really strong on the phone... Aug 21 22:30:54 that's handy indeed Aug 21 22:32:40 hi folks Aug 21 22:33:08 since i flashed my neo with ASU image I can't ssh it anymore :( Aug 21 22:33:35 RSA host key for 192.168.0.202 has changed and you have requested strict checking. Aug 21 22:33:35 Host key verification failed. Aug 21 22:33:48 I think I should buy a screenprotector in the meantime...either an expensive one like invisibleshield, or a cheap multipack I can change often Aug 21 22:33:58 lambda, you need to remove that host key in your ".ssh/known_hosts" file Aug 21 22:34:12 on your local workstation, not on the FreeRunner Aug 21 22:34:25 Infoport: I bought the full body and it was 13euro, free shipping, not really expensive... Aug 21 22:34:30 thx ezekiel-v3 Aug 21 22:34:32 lambda you can edit your config file on host to Strictblahbla no, remove the key Aug 21 22:34:57 Infoport: is the key generated on first boot? Aug 21 22:35:13 the strict checking is a valuable security option - as you can see it keeps you from logging into a host that has been switched out from under you. Aug 21 22:35:18 lambda if the old key is gone, then just remove and go with new one, or pull the old one out of other OS and scp it over Aug 21 22:36:01 lambda, ezekiel-v3 is right -- if you change StrictKeyChecking you should change it back after solved Aug 21 22:36:28 i have alias "anonssh" for exec ssh -o'StrictHostkeychecking no' -o'userknownhostsfile /dev/null' "$@" Aug 21 22:36:44 i just do a `mv .ssh .ssh_old` Aug 21 22:36:56 it fixed it up THX Aug 21 22:37:07 haha, apparently you don't use ssh keys Aug 21 22:37:29 glad you got it fixes Aug 21 22:37:30 not from my laptop Aug 21 22:37:37 XD Aug 21 22:37:43 lindi- I think it is-- I know I have run into that with multiple OS boots, and I have to remove the offending key from known_hosts and then scp a copy of the initial key over so all OSes share it Aug 21 22:39:18 lambda if you wiped out the previous OS, then you dont really need the old key-- it is gone anyway. I have several OS setup at once, so my PC says it is still the same machine with different keys and so I sync them Aug 21 22:40:52 lindi- first boot would make the most sense. it definitely does NOT require a manual step from user Aug 21 22:41:59 Infoport: having it not change at all would be nicer :) Aug 21 22:43:20 lindi- it doesn't so much *change* as each OS is independent and makes its own (or a reflash makes it gone) I keep a copy on PC and sync it though Aug 21 22:44:28 lindi- although my root pw doesnt change. hmmm. yeah maybe if the key could be kept there! Aug 21 22:46:14 shouldn't the Settings → WiFi module automatically obtain a network config using DHCP? it seems it does nothing here, although it displays the WiFi symbol as 'connected' near the clock at the top of the screen Aug 21 22:46:18 thank god for hot-swap batteries! my FR seems to run down the batteries while on USB :-( Aug 21 22:47:54 eliasp: Sure that icon means connected and just not "on"? Are you connected? Aug 21 22:48:16 widrone: 'Installer' keeps claiming i should check my network Aug 21 22:48:38 but i've entered my passphrase and the icon is shown... Aug 21 22:48:50 eliasp you may have a conflict wit hthe "default gateway" setup by usb0. maybe ifdown usb0 and ifdown/ifup eth0 Aug 21 22:48:54 but as there isn't a terminal app in 2008.x i don't have a chance to check it really Aug 21 22:49:10 Infoport: won't work - no terminal .. ;( Aug 21 22:49:30 but i'll try withouth USB plugged in, maybe it works then Aug 21 22:49:36 join #openwrt Aug 21 22:50:13 eliasp there IS a terminal app, but you have to install it. It *should* be there to begin (not though), but you should do it first thing to make up for that Aug 21 22:50:24 yay, frozen in suspend... hard reset... Aug 21 22:50:46 eliasp suspend doesnt work well, you probably want to turn it off until fixed Aug 21 22:51:07 Infoport: yes, did it before i flashed this image... going to turn it off again Aug 21 22:51:24 Infoport: yeah, i'd like to install the terminal app... but this needs network first ;( Aug 21 22:51:39 eliasp I'd hard reset (I'm gonna wear out that notch on case), turn off suspend, and install terminal Aug 21 22:51:53 install terminal from USB0 networking Aug 21 22:52:34 uhm, usb0 networking can be configured without accessing a terminal on the FR? i have to re-read the docs.... Aug 21 22:53:04 eliasp yeah you should be able to ssh in and setup stuff from PC Aug 21 22:54:32 "Steppin out, with my baby..." cigar and FR on the porch-- bbl Aug 21 22:59:48 is it a problem that i have a "wpa_supplicant -u" running the whole time and try to manually start another instance to associate to my wlan? the other process gets restarted if i kill it and i can't find the script starting it... i want to cope with wpa_supplicant myself and can't get the dbus interface to work :/ Aug 21 23:00:10 if i just start up another instance the association fails... at least for now Aug 21 23:14:37 cool, i ve been running Qtopia for 8 hours (with telephony (2calls)) and apm returns 79% battery Aug 21 23:16:23 nice Aug 21 23:16:36 aggtrfrad: It would be interesting to let it run down and see how accurate apm might be... Aug 21 23:17:20 Qtopia rocks better than ASU? Aug 21 23:18:22 for the moment its more usable, but ASU has a a different target than qtopia :) Aug 21 23:18:22 * mwester has never observed either Qtopia or ASu play guitar, or drums, or any other musical instrument. Aug 21 23:21:11 my partitions on my sdhc card from my debian installation keep getting deleted every fckin time, anyone has the same prob? Aug 21 23:21:29 i'll try update my u-boot Aug 21 23:27:12 is there any recomended u-boot version for debian? if not, whats the latest stable u-boot release? Aug 21 23:27:16 i've put some pics of the freedom bluetooth keyboard i've just got if anyone's interested http://timwise.wikispaces.com/freedom+universal+keyboard click the flickr links for the rest Aug 21 23:30:14 aggtrfrad: So far, the installation has only been tested with an up-to-date uBoot (from 2008-08-05) Aug 21 23:30:27 aggtrfrad: From http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner page. Aug 21 23:33:39 hello Aug 21 23:34:15 i just wanted to ask my provider for my prepaied monay i have on the card Aug 21 23:34:30 so i've caled "*100#" Aug 21 23:35:01 but the fon caled a friend i she was sleaping Aug 21 23:35:09 what is the problem? Aug 21 23:36:01 hm, maybe your dialer app parsed that someway and accidentaly activated call to one of your contacts. Aug 21 23:36:24 hm Aug 21 23:36:57 but that is not good, how could i find out the problem, or should i file a bugreport somewhere? Aug 21 23:38:32 aggtrfrad: i've still been using the same uboot from july Aug 21 23:38:46 works fine or me Aug 21 23:39:35 apmactually works? Aug 21 23:39:51 there's something wrong with the specific debian installation (from fso) cause i've tried dabian too many times and never had problems like that Aug 21 23:42:42 mmaestri: I believe ext2 is compiled into the kernel, hence no module. Aug 21 23:43:18 mmaestri: do cat /proc/filesystems to see what is supported Aug 22 00:01:46 since i updated to ASU my pc can not see my neo as a USB Modem (CDC ACM) anymore :( Aug 22 00:01:54 i worked on 2007.07 Aug 22 00:02:09 issue come from the phone itself Aug 22 00:02:19 root@om-gta02:~# modprobe g_serial Aug 22 00:02:28 FATAL: Error inserting g_serial (/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/drivers/usb/gadget/g_serial.ko): Device or resource busy Aug 22 00:03:58 no idea please ? Aug 22 00:09:20 lambda_: Did you try reflashing your kernel? Aug 22 00:09:48 could i dodge this step ? Aug 22 00:10:27 stevenSn: you're right i think it 's the right way to do Aug 22 00:10:56 i hate it when comanies just pretend linux doesn't exist. makes me feel like a mac user. "Sorry we can not provide technical support for linux. I know it is possible to use the keyboard on it but unfortunately I'm not able to tell you how. Aug 22 00:10:56 " Aug 22 00:14:35 so far my recommendation is to not buy the "freedom universal keyboard" that I just bought :( Aug 22 00:15:46 should have bought a frogpad Aug 22 00:17:08 also why doesn anyone need a keyboard? when there is ssh Aug 22 00:17:43 Not everyone is plugged in all the time. Aug 22 00:17:43 unless said keyboard was attached to my pand leg and very thin with bluetooth... Aug 22 00:17:53 pant* leg Aug 22 00:18:10 lap keyboard Aug 22 00:18:31 Problem with linux is that there is no microsoft. Aug 22 00:18:48 cmon SpeedEvil asif the phone wasnt large anough already, do we really want to lug around a fricken keyboard Aug 22 00:18:48 thats also its strong suit Aug 22 00:18:52 For all of microsofts massive suckyness, there is basically one window manager with several versions. Aug 22 00:19:17 they keyboard app just needs to be updated Aug 22 00:19:33 And that WM has a set stack of basic software underneath it that all works - sortof - one predictable way. Aug 22 00:19:44 It's possible to train support monkeys on it. Aug 22 00:19:53 SpeedEvil, you would have liked VAX/VMS. Aug 22 00:19:57 For 'linux' it's basically not. Aug 22 00:19:58 i was tossing around an idea in my head that the keyboard could take up the entire screen and be semi transparent, also you can toggle it on/off screen Aug 22 00:20:12 KenYoung: no I diddn't. Aug 22 00:20:24 heh ken is leet Aug 22 00:20:33 KenYoung: I diddn't say I liked that it was hard to support, or that I liked the alternatives. Just that it was. Aug 22 00:20:56 teh VAXEN are comming! the VAXEN are comming! (redcoats) Aug 22 00:21:18 The 'best' solution in many cases is just to drop a block of source on the community and hope they pick it up. Aug 22 00:21:36 Or get with the relevant maintainer before shipping product. Aug 22 00:21:41 yeah.. the throw it aginst the wall solution.. See if it sticks.. Aug 22 00:22:14 For example, for printers, it's possible to get it sorted with a cups driver. Aug 22 00:22:47 My latest samsung cheap-laser took literally 30s to install. Aug 22 00:23:27 (The canon inkjet I got at the same time is sitting looking sulky still though) Aug 22 00:26:02 yeah i have a lexmark all in one scanner/printer linux drivers? psha and pigs fly in cincinnati Aug 22 00:27:06 what i dont get is there is a osx driver and i've spent countless hours disecting and still nocloser to getting it to work with linux Aug 22 00:28:05 why is it such a taboo for companies to throw out a simple access driver Aug 22 00:28:07 /me ponders a 'full exent of the law' protest in the UK. Aug 22 00:28:31 Where everyone using linux orders a printer that doesn't work with linux, and then returns it under the distance selling rules. Aug 22 00:29:34 i installed windows at one time just to toy with the printer their drivers are so supid, it actually has a wav file that plays "now printing" when i send a pint job to it Aug 22 00:30:27 i still laugh when i think of it Aug 22 00:39:47 if i type reboot, will the phone come back or will it turn itself off or something? Aug 22 00:40:15 (the phone's at work and i'm sshing to it, so i'd prefer not to have to drive over :) Aug 22 00:40:48 ace - it will reboot. You should probably type reboot && exit, so you local end of ssh doesnt lock up Aug 22 00:41:21 i have some issues with usb and my linux Dist though Aug 22 00:41:25 oh local end hanging is fine, ~. works well :) Aug 22 00:41:26 ace -- of course it will reboot to the regular boot, not holding down AUX Aug 22 00:42:06 yeah that should be ok, let me try it :) Aug 22 00:42:32 i have to cennect after boot or i get device wont accept address something from dmesg Aug 22 00:42:35 connect Aug 22 00:43:10 * tdobson CRYS Aug 22 00:43:19 "can I install Windows CE on the Freerunner" Aug 22 00:44:29 - that's a latest topic from openmoko-cpmmunity list Aug 22 00:44:57 worked fine :) Aug 22 00:47:02 tdobson: just mindboggeling really, Im guessing whoever will run into driver issues? *evil grin* Aug 22 00:52:30 widrone: yeah. though I'm not 100% sure tbh that they couldn't be solved. having said that I have never ever used windows CE and hopefully never will Aug 22 00:53:15 I mean the device doesn't use any *unique* hardware does it? I'm sure win CE smartphones have used most of the hardware before.... ? I don't know/me doesn't care Aug 22 00:53:39 nope, and the code is open already so it should not be impossible at all. Aug 22 01:40:47 im running fluxbox :) Aug 22 02:24:48 Anyone know what the right options to use with mkfs.jffs2 are? My next try is going to be: -e 128 --pad --no-cleanmarkers Aug 22 02:49:50 widrone: they would have to get it to work on a windows platform -- that's not fun Aug 22 02:51:51 its not about just putting windows on it .. like i'm sure the wifi, gprs, bluetooth touch screen would all work to some degree -- to how much is limited Aug 22 02:52:40 windows on the Openmoko? Aug 22 02:52:49 Sargun: yeah it wouldn't work -- windows ce Aug 22 02:52:54 * retracile shudders at the thought Aug 22 02:53:03 like its windows cement :) Aug 22 02:53:07 are you sure it wouldn't work? Aug 22 02:53:07 each to his own I guess, seems strange still. There must be enough phones running CE out there already, I say "get off my lawn!" ;) Aug 22 02:53:16 I should ask the CE guy at work Aug 22 02:53:26 Sargun: where would you find it ? like ok you have to first get a "legal" image of it Aug 22 02:53:40 dbmoodb, My employer has platform buildder Aug 22 02:53:52 bebackinten Aug 22 02:54:10 then put it together then work out how to get the damn thing to run off the sdcard and recognise uboot then have a proper bootloader. Then you are going to need to spend a bit porting Aug 22 02:54:34 sure go for it -- it would be interesting. but i don't see many in this room jumping up and down for it Aug 22 02:55:05 I wouldn't want to do it Aug 22 02:55:09 but I'm sure its possible Aug 22 02:55:25 Sargun: "should" be possible you enver know with microsoft **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 22 02:59:56 2008