**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 23 02:59:57 2008 Aug 23 03:03:50 what programminglanguage is used in application development on the openmoko platform Aug 23 03:04:05 *programming languages Aug 23 03:04:55 for this you'll at least have to go to the application's website to see, or download the source... Aug 23 03:05:19 most will be c/c++ Aug 23 03:05:53 anyway...i must go to sleep...bye! ;) Aug 23 03:06:30 is it just me, or is the dfu-util upload/download sense reversed? Aug 23 03:06:36 Ark1: C/C++/Python Aug 23 03:09:47 thanks Aug 23 03:11:30 and others too Aug 23 03:12:23 pjz: it's reversed...;) Aug 23 03:18:25 how long is the freerunners battery life? Aug 23 03:35:49 anyone using a recent software image they can recommend? Aug 23 03:39:26 debian Aug 23 03:41:17 swc|666: can it make and receive calls reliably? Aug 23 03:45:23 mine can, but then again i have customized it beyond recognition Aug 23 03:53:16 swc|666: you should tarball you install for others Aug 23 04:15:01 /j #freebucket Aug 23 04:16:20 so i guess it's too much to pray for a flash player Aug 23 05:40:58 mmm swc|666 its ok debian... not finsihed yet Aug 23 05:41:20 have a go tho Aug 23 05:42:39 ? Aug 23 05:48:36 dbmoodb: huh? Aug 23 05:50:01 you might hit a glitch or two. fso has some bugs. that is all debian is fine Aug 23 05:51:49 fsck fso Aug 23 05:52:01 i have my own distro i'm releasing soon :p Aug 23 05:52:12 neopwn.com Aug 23 05:52:49 no offense, but openmoko has pumped out decent hardware support and device, but everything else to me = booty Aug 23 06:09:37 sms app crashes... Aug 23 06:09:49 swc|666: ah wow that site actually exists Aug 23 06:09:55 is it a known problem? Aug 23 06:10:08 swc|666: port nmap metasploity nesses wireshark .... etc is that the plan ? Aug 23 06:22:33 hopefully a WEP breaker Aug 23 06:22:38 always handy Aug 23 06:39:09 pjz: and MUCH more :D Aug 23 06:57:57 swc|666: how are you doing wep on it ? the wifi card is not capable of monitor mode Aug 23 07:00:23 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r300aeb3d67c2 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/ (accelerometer.py idlenotifier.py info.py input.py): odeviced: fix import breakage introduced by me Aug 23 07:08:52 Hey Aug 23 07:09:01 So.. How many people usin' Debian on their phones? Aug 23 07:09:29 for some reason i just get a matchbox kb in debian Aug 23 07:09:45 Batchbox? Aug 23 07:09:55 *Matchbox? Aug 23 07:10:52 Whe did you expect? Aug 23 07:10:55 *What Aug 23 07:11:09 it should have zphone runnng as well Aug 23 07:11:18 Ahh Aug 23 07:11:42 dbmoodb_: external usb's of course Aug 23 07:11:49 Hmm, well I haven't tested it out yet, so I dunno what to say Aug 23 07:11:53 But how smooth does it run? Aug 23 07:12:00 i have an alfa awus036h and an rt73 Aug 23 07:12:20 injection + automation scripts ftw Aug 23 07:15:16 And is she pretty stable? Aug 23 07:15:36 very Aug 23 07:15:49 metasploit loads in 40 secs Aug 23 07:15:55 What browser comes packaged with it? Aug 23 07:16:01 firefox Aug 23 07:16:06 iceweasel Aug 23 07:16:07 Niiiice Aug 23 07:16:14 Gawd Aug 23 07:16:22 i also run 1gb swap Aug 23 07:16:22 I should go get it running right now Aug 23 07:16:24 >_> Aug 23 07:16:29 never use it all tho Aug 23 07:17:09 gl getting it running.. its VERY time consuming Aug 23 07:17:17 It is? Aug 23 07:17:31 The Wiki made it seem easy enough :< Aug 23 07:17:45 u have to be a bash ninja to get the hardware up n a respectable amount of time, plus cross compiling, etc Aug 23 07:18:32 plus u have to define the mix of window management vs oerformance Aug 23 07:18:37 performance* Aug 23 07:18:47 * swc|666 is happy Aug 23 07:19:03 <_< Yikes, so it's not ready to run after using the instilation script? Aug 23 07:19:19 fsck the fso script imo Aug 23 07:19:22 it sucks Aug 23 07:19:33 i cant do what i do with that script Aug 23 07:19:38 The one on this I mean Aug 23 07:19:39 http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner Aug 23 07:19:56 u have to build everythin custom, suing the hardware module support Aug 23 07:20:09 grrr... keyboard ftl Aug 23 07:21:52 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * reb275232dd61 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Aug 23 07:21:52 freesmartphone.org: oevents: bring back AudioScenarioAction (first try) Aug 23 07:21:52 freesmartphone.org: FIXME: leads to a audio scenario stack underflow if a call never reaches 'active' Aug 23 07:34:27 ah ? the debian script is pretty good not complete just follow the instructions.. you don't *have* to update uboot but it is recommeneded Aug 23 08:00:31 echo "host" > /sys/devices/platform/s3 │ ernst Aug 23 08:00:33 c2410-ohci/usb_mode Aug 23 08:00:50 this file does not exist by me can anyone help me ? Aug 23 08:01:07 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Connecting-usb-stick-2.jpg this is what i want Aug 23 08:20:27 hi, I have a "big" problem with my openmoko neo freerunner. Yesterday I updated it to 2008.8, installed some applications,... then It turned off. I thinked that the buttery was empty and I putted it in charging. But now it doesn't start... no signal... no sound... Aug 23 08:20:34 what can I do? What can it be? Aug 23 08:20:50 sorry for my "not-really-fluently" english... :) Aug 23 08:24:20 there are battery problems, you need a charged openmoko battery or a nokia BL-5C battery in order to boot your phone Aug 23 08:25:06 Really... I don't know. Now I removed my battery... put it again... It boots... Aug 23 08:25:08 you boot your phone and change the battery when you have the charger or pc connected and it is running off power Aug 23 08:25:45 I tryied this procedure 4-5 times... but no results... this morning it starts. Aug 23 08:27:13 Another question: is there a list of the "new applications" ? I mean the applications written for the new UI illume? Aug 23 08:38:10 is openmoko.org down ? Aug 23 08:39:28 Well. It responds to ping and I am able to connect (via telnet) to tcp port 80, however it doesn't send any data. Aug 23 08:39:58 Zoup: it works now. Aug 23 08:39:58 ike: yep , stalled webserver or possible complete packet droping Aug 23 08:40:14 ike: it does , thanks :) Aug 23 08:40:24 ;-) n/p. Aug 23 08:52:12 Hrm.. Anyone have any idea how to fix this: run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/99avahi-autoipd exited with code 1 ? Aug 23 08:59:57 ... Haha, nevermind. >_> Aug 23 09:11:08 Does anyone know what is different between an older fso-testing image e.g. 2008-08-16 + opkg update/upgrade and latest e.g. 2008-08-23 Aug 23 09:15:23 Hmm, anyone gotten Debian installed through QTopia? It says I need to shut off QTopias persistant scanning of the SD card, have any idea how? o_O Aug 23 09:16:42 Infinyte, not sure what that means but have you tried unmount sll sd based mounts ? Aug 23 09:16:53 sll = all Aug 23 09:17:38 you could also format the drive before you start and then skip that step while you install Aug 23 09:18:12 Hmm, well lemme see.. Aug 23 09:19:18 qtopia doesnt have persistant scanning of the sd, it simply keeps the content database opened Aug 23 09:19:43 Ah, well whatever it's doing the Debian install doesn't like it. Haha. >_> Aug 23 09:20:13 edit Storage.conf and change ContentDatabase to 0 Aug 23 09:20:24 Ah alright. ;D Aug 23 09:20:34 <|Marco|> mornin' folks Aug 23 09:21:19 Err, where's Storage.conf located? Aug 23 09:22:02 <|Marco|> question: if I dump a image to a sd card, how do I boot it and not what's in the fr's flash ? Aug 23 09:22:08 anyone have a 3rd party package feed for fso ? just looking for some apps like some shown on http://scap.linuxtogo.org Aug 23 09:23:25 alternatively if o feed a place where I can download suitable .ipkg files Aug 23 09:24:18 |Marco|, there's a wiki page for it, search. Aug 23 09:24:42 Infinyte, find / -name 'Storage.conf' -print Aug 23 09:24:55 I just received my FreeRunner! Hooray! :p Aug 23 09:25:04 yay! Aug 23 09:25:16 Thanke! :D Aug 23 09:25:30 |Marco|, the wiki has a page for "Booting from SD" Aug 23 09:25:45 right, that's the name Aug 23 09:26:31 <|Marco|> cga, hipitihop thanks Aug 23 09:26:36 np Aug 23 09:26:44 np Aug 23 09:26:59 i boot qtopia and debian of sd card myself Aug 23 09:27:44 <|Marco|> ha, cool :) Aug 23 09:28:40 Good Mornign :-) Aug 23 09:29:58 Does anyone know when there'll be a fix for dfu-util available? Aug 23 09:30:18 is it broken? Aug 23 09:30:58 <|Marco|> I belive the "download" option in it is not working Aug 23 09:31:29 <|Marco|> as in the possibility for getting an image from the neo dumped out Aug 23 09:34:21 The "upload" Option... the backup-thing^^ Aug 23 09:34:54 <|Marco|> damn it.. for some reason when my freerunner boot's up, i loose the touchscreen interfacce.. from a eksternal terminal I do get data from it, but there is some configuration missmatch for the X server in one of the latest opkg upgrades Aug 23 09:35:21 -.- Aug 23 09:35:47 You see, that's why I'd like to do a backup before upgrading :-P Aug 23 09:36:41 Is there a way to remount the rootfs readonly so that I could do a ssh-backup? Aug 23 09:37:22 for backups, someone posted this. Haven't ried it myself http://pastey.net/93678 Aug 23 09:37:35 echo 1 >/proc/sys/kernel/sysrq && echo u >/proc/sysrq-trigger ... Doesn't work for some reason... Aug 23 09:37:56 Thanks :-P Aug 23 09:39:12 But it uses dfu-util, doesn't it? Aug 23 09:39:54 as I said, no idea as I have not tried it Aug 23 09:40:17 but looks like it Aug 23 09:40:35 So it won't work... Aug 23 09:43:40 hipitihop, jucs that's my script. better you use the final version... it's on wiki at PreFlash-Backup Aug 23 09:43:51 and yes it fails since it uses dfu-util Aug 23 09:44:23 hipitihop, jucs http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup#Interactive_script Aug 23 09:46:42 cga: But are you using dfu-util to do the backup? Aug 23 09:46:53 jucs, i tried but it fails Aug 23 09:47:07 we have to wait for bug to be resolved Aug 23 09:47:10 :-D Thats the point... Aug 23 09:47:21 well at lest the script is ready :P Aug 23 09:47:37 Yeah, that good at least :-P Aug 23 09:47:40 s* Aug 23 09:47:45 =) Aug 23 09:54:46 Hrm, guess it didn't work. Aug 23 09:56:17 jucs, i'd like you to try the script and tell me what you think about it and if you have any suggestions for improvement. Aug 23 09:56:27 It still says "Qtopia wants to continually access /media/card" and whatnot. Aug 23 09:57:09 cga: I'll do that as soon as the patch for dfu-util is released ;-) Aug 23 09:57:22 jucs, ok =) Aug 23 09:57:48 is there any terminal in om2008 ? Aug 23 09:57:53 jucs, btw apparently the only thing failing is rootfs Aug 23 09:58:09 Zoup, yes you can use openmoko-terminal Aug 23 09:58:17 or the qtopia one Aug 23 09:58:46 cga: how can i run that ? Aug 23 09:59:04 cga: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1843 <- No, it's quite dead at all... Aug 23 09:59:56 I'm sure if it affects the kernel, but actually the rootfs is the thing to backup, isn't it? Aug 23 10:00:30 I mean, I'm running the unmodified kernel-imaged from buildhost.openmoko.org, so I already got a backup of those... Aug 23 10:00:37 images* Aug 23 10:01:02 sorry how can i run openmoko-termina on om2008 ? Aug 23 10:02:48 Arr.. Does the FSO have any sort of Notepad? Aug 23 10:05:28 Does Om2007.2 have that? Aug 23 10:06:58 Qtopia have that Aug 23 10:07:13 but it's shit Aug 23 10:08:07 I know about Qtopia, but I'm searching for something like gedit... Aug 23 10:08:08 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/e10abbe71c9f520283ead8d8fdf32740.png Aug 23 10:08:16 padpaper meybe ? Aug 23 10:08:23 but i can't find it Aug 23 10:08:41 Looks good :-P Aug 23 10:09:37 in 2008.8 is a terminal if you install it but it is with a very teribble keyboard Aug 23 10:09:46 is there a good keyboard for qtopia?? or at least a way to get rid of the smart t9 feature??? Aug 23 10:10:12 Guys :) i need help , how can i run a terminal in om2008 ? :) Aug 23 10:10:16 in fso was a good keyboard Aug 23 10:10:31 now i test the unstable :D Aug 23 10:11:04 the stable is good but the opkg is very bad Aug 23 10:11:10 Zoup: Thanks for asking that :-D Aug 23 10:11:13 but the testing was very good Aug 23 10:11:22 and now i test the unstable Aug 23 10:11:37 cga: Yeah, hit Options>Change Input Method Aug 23 10:11:48 Infinyte, it sucks big time Aug 23 10:11:53 And... is it possible to turn off the word-guessing in Om2008.8 - it makes the keyboard unuasble... Aug 23 10:12:00 i need a real usable keyboard Aug 23 10:12:13 jucs: ah , there is no terminal then ? Aug 23 10:12:24 jucs: how can i set ip on device , do usb netowrking ? etc ? :) Aug 23 10:12:29 jucs, how do i turn it off? Aug 23 10:12:29 Zoup: Couldn't find it... Aug 23 10:12:50 cga: Turn off what? Aug 23 10:12:51 cga: Well I've yet to see one better. Cept maybe the Matchbox that was made for 2007, it had working arrow keys. ;D Aug 23 10:13:16 jucs, word-guessing Aug 23 10:13:22 ANYone know a guide to reflash to om2007 ? :)) Aug 23 10:13:34 Zoup, wiki Aug 23 10:13:37 cga: If I knew I would probably give Om2008.8 another try... Aug 23 10:13:43 eh eh Aug 23 10:13:50 Zoup: Me :-P Aug 23 10:14:08 jucs, where are you from? Aug 23 10:14:40 Germany^^ Aug 23 10:14:45 And u? Aug 23 10:14:51 ah ok Aug 23 10:14:52 italy Aug 23 10:15:00 i tought you were italian Aug 23 10:15:15 No no ;-) Aug 23 10:15:47 Zoup: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Downloads#Openmoko_2007.2_images_.28GTK.29 <- Images; http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner <- Manual to flash... Aug 23 10:16:52 jucs: are these the images ? : http://buildhost.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ Aug 23 10:17:23 Yes, but the old ones... Aug 23 10:17:38 Ancienttt Aug 23 10:17:38 >_> Aug 23 10:18:02 jucs: old ones means not latest om2007 ? Aug 23 10:18:11 Right Aug 23 10:19:30 Newest rootfs: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080822/openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2 ; Newest kernel: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080822/uImage-2.6.24+git35+2d61a7406ec89893cdb4246d3f0144818278a5d8-r2-om-gta02.bin Aug 23 10:19:58 Zoup: Maybe the "old" ones are more stable, don't know... I'm using those there^^ Aug 23 10:20:24 jucs: surely im fool ! ;) are these om2008 or om2007 ? Aug 23 10:20:33 And I think if you download the old ones and do "opkg update && opkg upgrade" it will upgrade you to the newest anyway... Aug 23 10:20:44 Om2007.2 :-P Aug 23 10:21:28 jucs: thank you :) Aug 23 10:21:53 No problem ;-) Aug 23 10:22:26 <- back in 10 minutes Aug 23 10:24:45 hi i am having an issue with opkg... Aug 23 10:25:09 opkg update works, okg upgrade gives me segmentation fault... Aug 23 10:28:23 has anyone got an idea of what it may be? Aug 23 10:29:07 admiral0: im not openmoko expert or even avg user , but that has to be some sort of bug Aug 23 10:30:16 i've found this problem on some forum in internet, but no solution posted... Aug 23 10:30:50 Does anyone using 2008.08 and is able to properly receive MMSes? Aug 23 10:30:57 admiral0, better you search for bugs on the official bugtracker Aug 23 10:32:23 Woah, I take it back. The best keyboard for the Neo I've seen yet is now the FULL qwerty one on the FSO2 Aug 23 10:32:39 Infinyte, how is it called? Aug 23 10:33:33 I have no idea, I was just grabbing FSO to install Debian when I came across it. Aug 23 10:33:43 olk Aug 23 10:33:44 ok Aug 23 10:36:54 FSO2? Aug 23 10:36:57 Milestone two? Aug 23 10:37:08 Aye Aug 23 10:38:30 i've seen there is a newer one on shr.bearstech.com Aug 23 10:38:47 it's dated ... TODAY! Aug 23 10:39:35 :O Aug 23 10:39:43 Erm, that's odd. I can't ping www.debian.org on my Neo, but I can ping it on my computer, and I don't have a problem pinging google on the Neo. o_O Aug 23 10:39:51 Whot Admiral? A new FSO you say? Aug 23 10:39:58 Infinyte, dns Aug 23 10:40:44 Right! Aug 23 10:41:12 it's a daily build Aug 23 10:42:00 let's see if this build is better... Aug 23 10:42:12 keep your fingers crossed Aug 23 10:44:18 Fixedm thanks cga. Aug 23 10:44:23 *Fixed, Aug 23 10:44:23 np Aug 23 10:48:54 Hi all. Aug 23 10:49:06 So, generally how long does the Debian installation take to finish? Aug 23 10:49:14 Yo. Aug 23 10:49:16 3 days Aug 23 10:49:23 <_< Aug 23 10:49:27 oh no.... that's gentoo :OP Aug 23 10:49:32 Lolz Aug 23 10:50:09 Could someone help me with share internet connection via USB on Ubuntu on 192.168.0.0/24? Aug 23 10:50:31 czubek_, wiki has it all. use manually connect Aug 23 10:50:31 Gentoo on a Freerunner? Aug 23 10:50:33 Wow. Aug 23 10:50:44 That's always been to complicated for me, I just use Wifi. >_> Aug 23 10:50:59 Haha, Gentoo on the Neo. Possibilities. O___o Aug 23 10:51:08 some crazy fool did it Aug 23 10:51:09 cga: isn't a bit... overkill? Aug 23 10:51:13 indeed Aug 23 10:51:37 "I want to use WiFi AP, have to wait 32 hrs to recompile my phone". Aug 23 10:51:38 i don't even see the point of installing a whole distro (read desktop) on the neo Aug 23 10:51:40 Awesome. Aug 23 10:51:42 lol Aug 23 10:51:47 cga: "route add -host 192.168.0.202 dev usb0" didn't help. Aug 23 10:52:06 czubek_, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Simple_Manual_Linux_Configuration Aug 23 10:52:10 ike: if you want to compile everything from your phone, yes, but if you cross-compile from your computer, there is no problem at all Aug 23 10:52:39 you don't build debian packages from your phone either Aug 23 10:52:50 Anyway. opkg is crappy. It's search "engine" sucks. I wanted to find all gps apps so i executed "opkg search *gps*" and it couldn't find tangogps. Aug 23 10:53:12 tuXXX: well. i build debs on buildd. Aug 23 10:53:47 And every debian system should be aprox. the same. Gentoo OTOH differs on every desktop most of the time. Aug 23 10:54:19 czubek_, i use this simple script http://rafb.net/p/N2q0sF17.html (made out of those commands) and it wirks Aug 23 10:54:22 *works Aug 23 10:54:22 I just like the idea of having a solid stable phone (Read: Qtopia or FSO) and a versatile desktop built into one little handheld device. ;D Aug 23 10:55:10 Infinyte: or maybe SHR? Aug 23 10:55:18 (if it will eventually go off) Aug 23 10:55:23 ike: That'd be awesome. >_> Aug 23 10:55:35 wow Aug 23 10:55:42 shr is a mess of a concept Aug 23 10:55:52 cga: what isn't? Aug 23 10:55:53 ;-P Aug 23 10:56:02 FSO from shr.bearstech.com works.. Aug 23 10:56:10 better to wait that new framework will be ready and that asu and fso will merge Aug 23 10:56:15 ike, qtopia :P Aug 23 10:56:16 FSO is supposed to be only a framework. Aug 23 10:56:47 cga: ;-)) well. yea. It looks complete. I had some problems with MSS' though. Aug 23 10:57:04 mss? Aug 23 10:57:09 I'm still waiting for 4.4 Aug 23 10:57:11 When's Milestone 3 coming? Aug 23 10:57:12 cga: MMS. Aug 23 10:57:15 k Aug 23 10:57:19 Infinyte, september Aug 23 10:57:26 Awesome Aug 23 10:57:33 And when's Qtopia 4.4 coming? Aug 23 10:57:41 And the newest qtopia should be here in a week or two i believe. Aug 23 10:57:52 cool Aug 23 10:57:53 Whoo, can't wait. Aug 23 10:57:57 i can't wait for it Aug 23 10:57:59 <|Marco|> i don't know if the image i'm dumping from my freerunner is just garbage or not, but it looks like -U with dfu-util works fine sofar Aug 23 10:58:07 Supposedly 4.4'll have a browser Aug 23 10:58:38 cga: hmmmm..... still doesn't work :( Aug 23 10:58:42 |Marco|, wait for rootfs to fail and then cry :P Aug 23 10:58:50 <|Marco|> ooh? Aug 23 10:58:55 czubek_, i use ubuntu and that script and it works Aug 23 10:58:56 Ach no. the newest qtopia should be at the end of q3. So it's 4-5 weeks. Sorry ;-> Aug 23 10:59:08 Nuuu. >_> Aug 23 10:59:22 Is there any way to install OperaMini on a Freerunner? Has anyone tried this already? Aug 23 10:59:30 :( Aug 23 10:59:35 ike, i waited for freerunner for two long years.... 4-5 weeks do't matter ;) Aug 23 10:59:42 cga ;-) true. Aug 23 10:59:52 ike: Or even any good browser... Aug 23 11:00:00 minimo or midori Aug 23 11:00:05 I've waited for the Freerunner since 1973 was announced. Aug 23 11:00:05 Minimo and openmoko-browser2 are both unusable... Aug 23 11:00:09 Cause it didn't has Wifi. :< Aug 23 11:00:10 imvvvho minimo still sucks. Aug 23 11:00:21 midori? Aug 23 11:00:22 Yeah they do. Aug 23 11:00:22 >_> Aug 23 11:00:25 cga: midori? any link please? Aug 23 11:00:32 opkg install midori Aug 23 11:00:36 What's this Midori? Aug 23 11:00:38 oh. that one was easy. Aug 23 11:00:44 <- *try* Aug 23 11:01:04 <|Marco|> cga: how does it fail? Aug 23 11:01:05 I'd try it, but does it run on FSO? Aug 23 11:01:24 |Marco|, returns some errors and exit Aug 23 11:01:28 Infinyte: maybe... just try? Aug 23 11:01:59 But I'm paranoid. :< Aug 23 11:02:03 <|Marco|> okay, haven't seen any errors yet Aug 23 11:03:23 <|Marco|> it just fails to dump out the image and nothing wors than that? Aug 23 11:04:10 I can't zoom out in the menu of midori... anyone an idea? Aug 23 11:05:05 czubek_, which image do you have on neo? Aug 23 11:05:10 Holy snap I just dropped my Neo. O___o Aug 23 11:05:24 Infinyte, welcome to the droppers club Aug 23 11:05:35 cga: 2008.8 Aug 23 11:05:44 czubek_, that's why Aug 23 11:05:45 Looks okay though. :3 Aug 23 11:05:57 czubek_, check your /etc/resolv.conf Aug 23 11:06:54 Infinyte: drop it again! Aug 23 11:07:01 Maybe something will happen. Aug 23 11:07:02 :P Aug 23 11:07:02 Nuuuu :< Aug 23 11:07:07 <|Marco|> hehehe Aug 23 11:07:25 Infinyte, after 3 drops accelerometers start to work Aug 23 11:07:31 Noone an idea? Aug 23 11:07:33 magically! Aug 23 11:07:37 cga: on my pc and fr they are ok, i used internet on fr on another computer Aug 23 11:07:37 Lol Aug 23 11:07:49 Web pages are sooooooo huge in midori, how make them smaller? Aug 23 11:08:08 :P Aug 23 11:08:13 Dave, ! Aug 23 11:08:17 Hey, it's Dave! Aug 23 11:08:22 How are you gentlemen? Aug 23 11:08:33 all your moko are belong to me Aug 23 11:08:35 ha ha ha ha Aug 23 11:08:37 Somebody set us up the bomb. Aug 23 11:08:50 *boom* Aug 23 11:08:51 :O! Why you !! Aug 23 11:08:56 That must be the openmoko developers :p Aug 23 11:09:09 <|Marco|> you are on your way to destruction Aug 23 11:09:19 <|Marco|> take your time Aug 23 11:09:20 Take off every zig !! Aug 23 11:09:29 you have no chance to survive make your openmoko distribution! Aug 23 11:09:42 <|Marco|> hehehe Aug 23 11:09:52 Dave, you have no chances in life in general! :P Aug 23 11:09:52 Dave, are you part of the development team? Aug 23 11:09:55 For great justice, take off every bug! Aug 23 11:09:57 \o/ Aug 23 11:10:15 Freerunner bug #1. It doesn't work. Aug 23 11:10:25 don't say that Aug 23 11:10:29 qtopia works greatly Aug 23 11:10:42 Freerunner bug #1 Response: Have you pressed the POWER button yet? Aug 23 11:10:47 QTopia doesn't have any decent GPS app. Aug 23 11:10:48 does 2008.8 support the neo yet? Aug 23 11:10:48 Noone using Midori? Aug 23 11:10:50 :P Aug 23 11:11:03 Infinyte: once. Aug 23 11:11:03 Which Neo? >_> Aug 23 11:11:18 Neo - the matrix guy. Aug 23 11:11:25 -_- Aug 23 11:11:26 Ahhh Aug 23 11:11:27 <_< Aug 23 11:11:29 the one! Aug 23 11:11:37 THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! Aug 23 11:11:39 With rearanged letters! Aug 23 11:11:49 i show you the door but you have to pass it! Aug 23 11:12:14 Dave: have you ever thought about making a bot named HAL9000? Aug 23 11:12:22 * Dave stabbity-stabs ike Aug 23 11:12:30 * ike dies. Aug 23 11:12:34 >:) Aug 23 11:12:36 * cga rejoice Aug 23 11:12:40 :D Aug 23 11:12:41 * Infinyte laughs heartily~ Aug 23 11:12:45 Oh you evil people! Aug 23 11:12:49 * cga is listening to Cansei de Ser Sexy - Fuckoff is not the only thing you have to show - Album: Cansei de Ser Sexy Aug 23 11:12:50 <.<; Aug 23 11:12:51 * Dave puts in the The Matrix Aug 23 11:12:59 * cga is in the matrix Aug 23 11:13:08 I wanna watch the Matrix now. :< Aug 23 11:13:14 try it on neo Aug 23 11:13:14 :D Aug 23 11:13:16 * ShellEvil notes cga can't get out as his phone is running a broken image. Aug 23 11:13:17 :D! Aug 23 11:13:19 And I need a Matrix screensaver on my Neo. Aug 23 11:13:27 Maybe I can stream it to you guys :p Aug 23 11:14:05 :o Aug 23 11:14:06 What's your favorite Distro Dave? Aug 23 11:14:08 norsk! Aug 23 11:14:25 Infinity, right now, 2007.2 (I believe) :p Aug 23 11:14:26 DistroDave. Aug 23 11:14:30 huhu Aug 23 11:14:48 I'm using 2008.08 since it works as a phone. Aug 23 11:14:52 I kill all the other distros and they become part of me! Aug 23 11:14:53 However I miss 2007.02 games. Aug 23 11:15:00 ike, yeah :D Aug 23 11:15:00 Dave'sDistro:2007.2 , Cause he's old sch00l. Aug 23 11:15:21 <|Marco|> cga: still no error, it's at about 130mb Aug 23 11:15:21 DistroDave likes Distro Games :) Aug 23 11:15:34 Well. Those games are very addictive. Aug 23 11:15:36 |Marco|, good , let me know if it works. Aug 23 11:15:40 INDEED Aug 23 11:15:44 Net forever! Aug 23 11:15:45 My gf didn't like FR at the beggining. Aug 23 11:15:49 |Marco|, did you compile dfu-util from svn today? Aug 23 11:15:54 But after a while she loved it - because of the games. Aug 23 11:15:56 ike, but then you stuck it in her... Aug 23 11:16:00 What the.. What are you doing Marco? >_> I don't recall any Distro's being that h00ge. Aug 23 11:16:01 oh Aug 23 11:16:05 Dave: vibrator doesn't work well. Aug 23 11:16:08 Maybe later. Aug 23 11:16:11 ];-) Aug 23 11:16:12 Yeah it does :P Aug 23 11:16:20 I wrote a script for it :P Aug 23 11:16:26 hehe. Aug 23 11:16:33 Do you have a gf Dave? Aug 23 11:16:34 she should try it sometime... ;) Aug 23 11:16:52 Uhoh Aug 23 11:16:54 Paste this script somewhere. I might want to try it. Aug 23 11:16:57 Ike's making a move on you Dave. Aug 23 11:17:03 <|Marco|> cga: svn yes Aug 23 11:17:06 k Aug 23 11:17:12 today? Aug 23 11:17:15 <|Marco|> mm Aug 23 11:17:21 <|Marco|> just 30 min ago Aug 23 11:17:24 So, can I install Compiz Fusion on my Moko? ;D Aug 23 11:17:27 t_s_o: står til Aug 23 11:17:27 that's today -.- Aug 23 11:17:37 <|Marco|> Infinyte: you nuts???? Aug 23 11:17:40 So what new apps have been developed for the freerunner? Aug 23 11:17:42 Dave, meer le leere Aug 23 11:17:44 Probably. >:D Aug 23 11:18:02 * Dave steals Infinity's horns Aug 23 11:18:09 Oww Aug 23 11:18:11 BLOOOD :< Aug 23 11:18:14 ]>:D Aug 23 11:18:22 Can anyone tell me what Qi is supposed to be? Aug 23 11:18:24 which image is this resp. what kind of theme http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/e2fc9c0fc8dced2b90856375a7a3981b.png Aug 23 11:18:25 Ooo, nice hat. Aug 23 11:18:29 Is it u-boot replacement? Aug 23 11:18:36 ike: yes Aug 23 11:18:50 I haven't heard of no Qi.. Aug 23 11:18:58 What's u-boot need a replacement for? Aug 23 11:18:58 PBeck: thanks ;-) and is it possible to try it? Aug 23 11:19:00 and this one http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/254565b689005e778a0f8da852002dca.png Aug 23 11:19:05 <|Marco|> geez... 155mb so far?? did i install that much stuff?? Aug 23 11:19:17 PBeck: or is it just renamed u-boot? Aug 23 11:19:32 iBoot? Aug 23 11:19:42 oBoot? Aug 23 11:19:51 <|Marco|> WiiBoot? Aug 23 11:19:55 xBoot is the coolest since it has an "x"! Aug 23 11:19:59 ike: i dont know. I have only heard that Qi is a bootloader with less features (u-boot is nearly a os) Aug 23 11:20:09 zBoot>xBoot Aug 23 11:20:11 PBeck: ok. thanks. Aug 23 11:20:24 ike: Qi is a simple bootloader :) Aug 23 11:20:41 Cause Z is the only letter manly enough to be the last letter in the alphabet song. Aug 23 11:20:49 hey, is the moko screen ultra sensitive (to scratches) or is it like any other phone? Aug 23 11:20:50 Danger Will Robinson! Aug 23 11:21:09 btw, congrat me Aug 23 11:21:13 Don't ask questions, just get a screen protector. Aug 23 11:21:14 i ordered mine :) Aug 23 11:21:23 tasnn, it would appear so :[ Aug 23 11:21:25 PBeck: but is there a need for a simple bootloader? I still don't get this. Oh well. I'll ask on MLs. Aug 23 11:21:38 Infinyte, i don't think it's improtant since my previous phone Aug 23 11:21:40 tasnn, well, being a touchscreen, not as much so Aug 23 11:21:50 but it is still better to avoid scratching it :P Aug 23 11:21:52 <|Marco|> cga: still going at 175mb Aug 23 11:21:55 doesn't have any scratches and i had it for year :) Aug 23 11:21:55 by condomizing it ;p Aug 23 11:21:58 :D Aug 23 11:22:01 years* Aug 23 11:22:05 Specially considering the astronomical price tag. >___> Aug 23 11:22:06 ike: the problem is duplicated code in the system and in the bootloader Aug 23 11:22:09 haha Aug 23 11:22:11 |Marco|, 2007.2 rootfs is 241MB Aug 23 11:22:12 Dave, always wear protection. Aug 23 11:22:12 <|Marco|> i think it's reading out the enrire flash chip Aug 23 11:22:14 ;D Aug 23 11:22:17 ike: i have only heard a bit from mickey|zzZZzz ;) Aug 23 11:22:28 <|Marco|> cga: yeah Aug 23 11:22:30 TAsnn, yeah, tell that to Infinyte. :P Aug 23 11:22:30 Arr, Debian is still installing. Aug 23 11:22:41 Infinity, what did you expect :) Aug 23 11:22:44 What's protection? Aug 23 11:22:48 :O Aug 23 11:22:55 * Dave slowly backs away from infinity... Aug 23 11:23:07 :D Aug 23 11:23:07 >_> Infinyte is not a typo. Aug 23 11:23:18 *g* Aug 23 11:23:21 YES IT IS. Aug 23 11:23:28 NO IT'S NOT Aug 23 11:23:43 SO IS YOUR NAME! Aug 23 11:23:54 you are d00med Aug 23 11:24:06 HUMILIATION! Aug 23 11:24:06 <|Marco|> me? cool Aug 23 11:24:39 Heh, too bad, I doubt the glamo could handle q3 :p Aug 23 11:24:55 So. Aug 23 11:25:02 Any word on the next phone by Openmoko? Aug 23 11:25:07 Gonna get us some 3G? Aug 23 11:25:10 EH? Aug 23 11:25:12 EH?? Aug 23 11:25:13 Yes. Aug 23 11:25:18 and possibly a Camera? Aug 23 11:25:23 and it will suck a little less? Aug 23 11:25:23 Nooo Aug 23 11:25:24 Might be. Aug 23 11:25:25 <|Marco|> let's unleash the craziness Aug 23 11:25:26 Not a Camera Aug 23 11:25:29 I still have to change some things. Aug 23 11:25:29 But it's all speculations. Aug 23 11:25:36 Correctamundo. Aug 23 11:25:44 Camera's need to stay in.. Cameras. Aug 23 11:25:45 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03_revisions Aug 23 11:25:49 * Dave zergrushes Infinyte Aug 23 11:26:10 >_> Cause if we DON'T get a Camera, we can get more power. Or a cheaper price tag. Kekeke Aug 23 11:26:12 <|Marco|> cga: just hit 200mb Aug 23 11:26:32 Geez Marco. Aug 23 11:26:41 Cameras are _CHEAP_ Aug 23 11:26:42 Infinyte, well, see, if we had a secondary, full-speed 2.0 usb bus, we wouldn't need a camera IN the phone *wink-wink* Aug 23 11:26:45 $5 or so. Aug 23 11:26:47 |Marco|, don't worry... you'll get the error soon.... it complete the backup but it fails.... so yuo'll have backed up but not working Aug 23 11:26:51 cameras are sheep Aug 23 11:26:54 Ooo Aug 23 11:26:57 $10 on the price. Aug 23 11:27:04 Yes, that'd be a great idea. Aug 23 11:27:09 (for a 1.3MP or so camera.) Aug 23 11:27:11 Me? :) Aug 23 11:27:18 Yeah you Dave. Aug 23 11:27:21 :) Aug 23 11:27:33 Yeah, I just hope the rest of them listen to me. :p Aug 23 11:27:34 ShellEvil: I'd like to see stable software stack. New hardware can wait. Aug 23 11:27:50 stable software stack? What do you think this is, 2010? :D Aug 23 11:27:55 lololol Aug 23 11:27:57 ike: GTA03 is essentially (software) identically hardware. Aug 23 11:28:05 <|Marco|> cga: does anyone know what fails? Aug 23 11:28:06 Hey now, give Qtopia some credit. Aug 23 11:28:06 >_> Aug 23 11:28:11 ike: You lose the glamo - whihc only affects the X server/... Aug 23 11:28:17 |Marco|, there are a couple of bugs filed on tracker Aug 23 11:28:29 ike: nothing consumer. And the camera is totally isolated. Aug 23 11:28:41 <|Marco|> do you know more spesiffic ? Aug 23 11:28:48 ShellEvil: hm. and so will replace glamo? Aug 23 11:28:50 |Marco|, mmontour does Aug 23 11:28:52 Aux led color is red on booting free runner , whats wrong? Aug 23 11:28:53 ike: nothing Aug 23 11:28:59 Shellevil, with the glamo gone, doesn't that mean a bus change anyway? :D Aug 23 11:29:07 I was just hoping they'd fix the buses. Aug 23 11:29:08 ike: it's wired direct like on the GTA01 Aug 23 11:29:16 Zoup, nothing's wrong. Aug 23 11:29:25 ShellEvil: like nothing? so I can upgrade my GTA02 to GTA03 by ripping of glamo? Aug 23 11:29:26 Dave: what aspect of the buses? Aug 23 11:29:26 maybe it just likes you ;) Aug 23 11:29:38 Shellevil, well the bus(es) now suck Aug 23 11:29:54 * cga is off for didjing Aug 23 11:29:55 a bus that everything on the system shares, because of wifi (which also sucks)? shitty result. Aug 23 11:30:20 jucs! Aug 23 11:30:26 <|Marco|> mmontour: do you know what fails after flash image dump with dfu-util? Aug 23 11:30:38 speedevil, it'd be nice to have a dedicated bus or two, and not a shared one. Aug 23 11:30:58 <|Marco|> cga: 230mb Aug 23 11:31:02 I'm hoping that the loss of glamo will force something like that to happen :) Aug 23 11:31:17 Dave: you can't on this class of device. Aug 23 11:31:22 oh yeah, that's also ridiculous, what's the internal capacity of the phone? 256M? Aug 23 11:31:33 Dave: there are sharply limited busses on a phone of this class. Aug 23 11:31:39 Why not have like 4G? it probably costs nothing. Aug 23 11:31:47 Shellevil :( Aug 23 11:31:49 Dave: however, the current problem is solely tha tthe glamo and mem bus contend mainly. Aug 23 11:31:51 ShellEvil: so there will be no 3d accel? Aug 23 11:31:52 Dave: no it doesn't. Aug 23 11:32:02 no it doesn't? Aug 23 11:32:08 Dave: it costs another 8 pins or so. Aug 23 11:32:15 boohoo? Aug 23 11:32:24 and what, there isn't space for that? :P Aug 23 11:32:34 Dave: and much more powerful drivers, and more internal gates on the CPU, which boost power consumption, ... Aug 23 11:32:48 yeah yeah, I'm aware of that, anyway. Aug 23 11:32:58 bah Aug 23 11:33:09 So because of that, we cannot have increased internal storage? Aug 23 11:33:34 SD cards work. >_> Just wish we could have some 3D graphix too. Aug 23 11:33:34 Dave: If you can't do it in 128M, you're DOING IT WRONG. IMO. Aug 23 11:33:47 ;-) Aug 23 11:33:53 nah, that just means we'll have to go the way of the eeepc. Aug 23 11:33:56 DOIN' IT WRANG Aug 23 11:34:05 essentially, install /usr to /media/card :) Aug 23 11:34:18 how can i get qwerty keyboard with om2007 ? Aug 23 11:34:23 Oh - you mean flash. Aug 23 11:34:32 Zoup, install matchbox-keyboard Aug 23 11:34:35 In that case, it's silly to expect a decent amount on the phone IMO. Aug 23 11:34:39 It complicates things. Aug 23 11:34:39 Zoup, it's under Switching_Keyboards on the wiki Aug 23 11:34:47 And makes it hard to upgrade. Aug 23 11:34:49 Shellevil, that's what I was taling about! Aug 23 11:34:55 yeah, haha, I know that :P Aug 23 11:35:08 and because of the 128M and decent programming, upgrading is easy and works well :) Aug 23 11:35:11 Or you could use the force Aug 23 11:35:18 Though still, I'm bitching about it :) Aug 23 11:35:40 Though maybe I could compromise if we had a decent sd bus Aug 23 11:35:56 the current one is less than crap Aug 23 11:35:59 Dave: the SD bus on GTA03 is - AIUI - shared between wifi and SD Aug 23 11:36:06 uggh Aug 23 11:36:20 There are only two SD busses. Aug 23 11:36:20 What are the speculation for a release date of the GTA03? Aug 23 11:36:25 apparently! Aug 23 11:36:41 shellevil, fucking a Aug 23 11:37:08 Shellevil, well I can't stand this horrible design "compromises" ... care to help me modify a gta03, when it comes? ;) Aug 23 11:37:21 Dave: you can't modify it. Aug 23 11:37:27 Dave: without pulling stuff. Aug 23 11:37:38 Dave: there are three things to go on a SD bus, and two SD busses. Aug 23 11:37:40 sure, but what's the problem? Aug 23 11:38:02 Wifi, SD, and something I forget. Aug 23 11:38:02 shellevil, what if we made the device 200% larger? ;) Aug 23 11:38:19 more power! Aug 23 11:38:24 more heavy? Aug 23 11:38:25 more buses! Aug 23 11:38:31 more heavy?! Aug 23 11:38:32 more awesomeness! Aug 23 11:38:41 more "phone backpacks". Aug 23 11:38:42 * Dave beats ike with a barbell Aug 23 11:39:41 -Tosses Salmon around the room- Aug 23 11:39:46 It's olympics time! Aug 23 11:40:00 we already lost, what's there to talk about? Aug 23 11:40:12 Furthermore, lollerchina. Aug 23 11:40:23 .cn won. Aug 23 11:40:32 The freerunner is unamused! Aug 23 11:40:41 more apps, please! Aug 23 11:40:57 * Dave goes to try to run zork on his phone Aug 23 11:41:08 I feel like linking to Limecat all of a sudden. >_> Aug 23 11:44:12 Infinity, be productive, install more games on your freerunner. Aug 23 11:44:22 BTW games. Aug 23 11:44:39 How to make horizontal touchscreen work so I could play scummvm? Aug 23 11:44:54 In what sense? Aug 23 11:45:14 The Xglamo bug was fixed, but scummvm on the freerunner still seems to have some pointer issues of its own. Aug 23 11:45:25 Well. When I swap orientation and I'm in horizontal mode but coordinates are "moved". Aug 23 11:45:29 so you "can play," but it can be admittedly challenging at times. Aug 23 11:45:33 ike, that was fixed. Aug 23 11:45:38 Hm. Really? Aug 23 11:45:41 Yes Aug 23 11:45:58 However, thus far there is no way I have found to save your game, depending on the game. Aug 23 11:46:03 because there is no keyboard. Aug 23 11:46:22 <|Marco|> can someone point me to where it's written how you blank the rootfs flash chip ? Aug 23 11:46:28 Dave: thanks. Aug 23 11:46:35 Uhh Aug 23 11:46:36 marco: nand erase ? Aug 23 11:46:37 Yes? Aug 23 11:46:41 nand erase? Aug 23 11:46:51 * Dave smacks infinity Aug 23 11:46:59 :-) Aug 23 11:47:05 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Nand_erase Aug 23 11:47:05 copy lolcat! Aug 23 11:47:07 I win Aug 23 11:47:09 >_> Aug 23 11:47:12 >:) Aug 23 11:47:24 <|Marco|> thanks folks Aug 23 11:47:33 Yeah, thanks for playing, Infinity. Aug 23 11:47:35 :) Aug 23 11:47:41 >_> Aug 23 11:47:58 hahaha Aug 23 11:47:58 Jacen Solo. Aug 23 11:48:02 I am right. Aug 23 11:48:26 He is yet, just another typo! Muwahahahaha. Aug 23 11:49:27 ike: Correct. Aug 23 11:50:01 Jacen: the Sith! Aug 23 11:50:02 :P Aug 23 11:50:06 Hmm, Debian's done. Aug 23 11:50:07 s/ce/so/ Aug 23 11:50:11 Does he hiss too? Aug 23 11:50:16 >_> But it looks like a mini version of FSO Aug 23 11:50:19 Welcome, alphaone :) Aug 23 11:50:26 Time to install stuff methinks? xD Aug 23 11:50:46 Sim City, anyone? Aug 23 11:51:20 Metropolis? Aug 23 11:51:54 I mean Micropolis ;-) Aug 23 11:52:02 :D Aug 23 11:52:48 Well. I've tried openttd. It looks nice. It makes people breathless. However it's hardly playable. Aug 23 11:52:57 I think SimCity would be the same. Aug 23 11:53:18 I wish I could play BaSS. Damnit. Aug 23 11:53:33 eh? Aug 23 11:53:47 breathless? Aug 23 11:53:50 hardly playable? Aug 23 11:53:58 So what, it just has good graphics then? :P Aug 23 11:54:10 openttd? On a Freerunner - yup. Aug 23 11:54:30 Dave: try yourself. Aug 23 11:54:39 What is it? Aug 23 11:54:55 O_o' Aug 23 11:55:11 Dave: http://www.openttd.org/ Aug 23 11:55:21 It's one of the best games in the world! Aug 23 11:55:31 hardly Aug 23 11:55:54 * ike shrugs. Aug 23 11:55:54 i would agree with ike there Aug 23 11:56:22 So.. If I install xfce, will it automatically run on the next boot up? Aug 23 11:56:26 So ho is it hardly playable? Aug 23 11:56:31 IT runs slow as fuck? :P Aug 23 11:56:36 *there is Aug 23 11:56:43 "slow as fuck" interesting. Aug 23 11:56:43 its alteastin my top 10 :-) Aug 23 11:56:50 yes? Aug 23 11:57:05 alteastin = at least in Aug 23 11:57:11 hey dave Aug 23 11:57:23 when i try iwlist eth0 scan it says that resource is temporary unavailable , any idea ? Aug 23 11:57:23 Howdy lint Aug 23 11:57:35 Dave, did you say you lived near a place with nextbus? Aug 23 11:57:53 Yep! Aug 23 11:57:53 Zoup: i think that the resource is temporary unavailable. Aug 23 11:57:55 Certainly do :) Aug 23 11:58:01 use it at all? Aug 23 11:58:09 I dislike it, but occasionally yes Aug 23 11:58:09 but i wouldent run openttd on my FR Aug 23 11:58:28 I've also been trying to get some people help me write a pirated nextbus mobile app for it. Aug 23 11:58:32 i discovered that the code i'm writing for nextbus is portable Aug 23 11:58:37 ike: im certain error message in not misleading :) its very clear that im looking for a fix ;) Aug 23 11:58:38 :O Aug 23 11:58:45 Ieatlint: Let's be friends!! Aug 23 11:58:48 Dave, :) Aug 23 11:58:52 :) Aug 23 11:58:57 yes indeed, i've got the goods on it Aug 23 11:59:06 Sweeeet! Aug 23 11:59:06 Zoup: ;-) dunno. maybe the WiFi is unpowered? Aug 23 11:59:08 you'd be surprised what potentials there are :) Aug 23 11:59:18 Do I have to sign an NDA? :P Aug 23 11:59:18 TAsnn, beep or gprs. Aug 23 11:59:52 ike: quite possible , how can i poewr up in om2007 ? Aug 23 12:00:05 like an application for when you're on the bus -- tells you an estimate for how long until you reach your destination, what bus stop you're at, and the one you're approaching (and perhaps what buses you can connect to, and even how long before they'd arrive) Aug 23 12:00:15 (an idea, at the moment, but very certainly do-able) Aug 23 12:00:28 and no, no NDA... just went through a bit of javascript Aug 23 12:00:51 turns out the buses report their exact lon/lat, and even their speed Aug 23 12:01:07 wut Aug 23 12:01:16 right! Aug 23 12:01:17 Zoup: hold power button for a while and you can turn it on in the power menu Aug 23 12:01:18 goddamn Aug 23 12:01:32 I proposed a very similar idea to someone recently! Aug 23 12:01:33 i saw some finnish thing with a map and busses pointed out Aug 23 12:01:34 Zoup: it's possible to echo some 1s somewhere in /sys but i don't remember it now. Aug 23 12:01:35 Dave, it's also all through an xml backend, no parsing html Aug 23 12:01:40 ooh Aug 23 12:01:50 right! Aug 23 12:02:21 ~1.5kb requests... so nice Aug 23 12:02:22 but lint, why I was sorrowly disappointed is because from what I can tell the nextbus predictions are not based [really] on GPS location [so much so] Aug 23 12:02:34 It appears to be primarily "time" based Aug 23 12:02:38 no, they're not Aug 23 12:02:39 which makes sense, but is sucky Aug 23 12:02:49 well, you can get both Aug 23 12:02:49 <- back Aug 23 12:03:00 1 query needed to get the bus stats, another to get predictions Aug 23 12:03:02 then how come their predictions are generally inaccurate Aug 23 12:03:23 ike: its already up ,same error Aug 23 12:03:26 like the bus may say 3min then arrive right then Aug 23 12:03:31 because they suck at making a proper algorhythm Aug 23 12:03:40 if it was 10s gps update, that'd never happen Aug 23 12:03:43 that's part of why i'm writing this Aug 23 12:03:46 YES! Aug 23 12:04:00 Dave, the xml backend tells you how old the data from the bus is Aug 23 12:04:09 and for the route hopping! (i.e. I'm on a bus approaching some dest/stop, where can I go from there [to get to Y]) Aug 23 12:04:15 ieatlint :) Aug 23 12:04:17 and with the lat/lon, i can tell you how far away the bus is in distance Aug 23 12:04:37 Ieatlint, and the main purpose I wanted to do this was because from what I saw they have no mobile way of doing this! Aug 23 12:05:02 I was thinking of a nice small slick mobile platform Aug 23 12:05:02 Hey Dave ;-) Aug 23 12:05:03 so i can't beat their time prediction, but if it says "3minutes, the bus is currently 2000 feet away at X bus stop" ... gives you a much better idea Aug 23 12:05:15 with maybe a slick nerdy overly verbose version as well ;) Aug 23 12:05:23 right Aug 23 12:05:36 or the bus is set to arrive in 1minute and stuck in traffic 3miles away ":P Aug 23 12:05:43 right? ;D Aug 23 12:05:50 well, it'd give you the distance Aug 23 12:05:54 right Aug 23 12:05:58 right Aug 23 12:06:01 and perhaps the speed of that bus (starting to get a crowded screen) Aug 23 12:06:02 which to ME, I've ALWAYS thought is way more pertinent Aug 23 12:06:17 ieatlint, hot Aug 23 12:06:21 Zoup: sorry. I don't know really. Aug 23 12:06:25 it also doesn't need gps Aug 23 12:06:29 totally Aug 23 12:06:37 i mean, you tell it which stop you're at, and it knows where that stop is Aug 23 12:06:43 right Aug 23 12:06:51 one could put a gps feature on it... but that'd be a bit of work Aug 23 12:06:58 UNLESS, you'd just like to know what your exact distance/position from the bus is Aug 23 12:07:02 if you weren't at a stop, say Aug 23 12:07:10 here's another case I had in mind though Aug 23 12:07:15 well, you could also make a bus stop finder Aug 23 12:07:28 any has error message 'resourse is temporary unavailable' when iwlist scan ? Aug 23 12:07:29 "the stop is 400 feet east" :P Aug 23 12:07:41 you're at 'some place' but need to get home or to some other place, by using the bus service, have it tell you what bus/stop to take to where (even if it requires transfers!) Aug 23 12:07:45 Zoup: Me Aug 23 12:07:53 or tell you which buses serve the area 1000 feet around you Aug 23 12:07:53 maybe that's a bit much, but that was my ideal use case I suppose Aug 23 12:07:54 :P Aug 23 12:08:00 Zoup: Try turning wireless off and on again... Aug 23 12:08:06 Dave, that'd be a lot Aug 23 12:08:08 Hrm, what shell does 2008.8 use in the terminal? O_o Aug 23 12:08:34 as opposed to, If you run > 34mph you can hop aboard this X bus on rofl Ave and ride it to your destination and hop off 1223ft later! Aug 23 12:08:37 i want to start off small and add optional features... i've a lot of ideas on how it could be used Aug 23 12:08:37 :P Aug 23 12:08:38 Jacen: How did you get to the terminal in 2008.8? Aug 23 12:08:47 Jacen: /bin/sh which is busybux's shell. Aug 23 12:08:54 busybox even. Aug 23 12:08:55 ieatlint, a stop finder or good stop map would be useful Aug 23 12:09:01 jucs: tried that , didnt helped Aug 23 12:09:06 ieatlint, have you SEEN the nextbus "real-time map" Aug 23 12:09:11 it's TERRIBLE Aug 23 12:09:17 Dave, well, if you can plot things on some of those existing gps maps.. Aug 23 12:09:18 and it doesn't even have real stop information Aug 23 12:09:24 I can't stand it. Aug 23 12:09:25 Dave, the googlemaps one isn't too bad... Aug 23 12:09:28 Oops, I meant 2007.2 But either way. Aug 23 12:09:36 It also isn't clear which way the buses go if they travel in a loop! Aug 23 12:09:39 (direction) Aug 23 12:09:42 it's really pissing. Aug 23 12:09:54 Jacen: I believe it's the same. Aug 23 12:09:57 Jacen: You can install bash ;-) Aug 23 12:10:06 Dave, anyway, the data is all loaded using xml, and the data should be entirely portable Aug 23 12:10:16 Darn. >_> Well, I was wondering because bash won't let me use iwconfig. Aug 23 12:10:17 Right :] Aug 23 12:10:19 In Debian I mean Aug 23 12:10:19 so what i write for here in SF should work for you as well Aug 23 12:10:21 Zoup: Well, you may want to reboot... Aug 23 12:10:30 Oh, haha, portable in that sense :P Aug 23 12:10:33 Unless it just doesn't come with it, which is probably the case. arr. Aug 23 12:10:52 Dave, it'll also work on a regular computer, which could be useful Aug 23 12:10:53 Ieatlint, I was going to say, you're currently writing it for the phone, right? ;) Aug 23 12:10:58 right :) Aug 23 12:11:11 yeah, i'm writing it for the phone Aug 23 12:11:24 sqlite for the backend (there's a lot of data to store) Aug 23 12:11:57 hot! Aug 23 12:12:00 yes, there is! Aug 23 12:12:09 you'd have to download the data for the routes before you could use it (in the event there's any sort of copyright claim, i'm definitely not including any such data) Aug 23 12:12:20 technically it doesn't violate their terms of service Aug 23 12:12:26 haha, yeah Aug 23 12:12:29 I was wodnering about that ;) Aug 23 12:12:34 they say on each xml file "Not for commercial use" Aug 23 12:12:44 haha Aug 23 12:12:46 and on their website, it says it prohibits "screen scrapers" as well Aug 23 12:12:48 oh yeah? nice >:) Aug 23 12:12:52 well, this is neither Aug 23 12:12:57 it does? Aug 23 12:13:00 heh Aug 23 12:13:09 yeah, no scripts that parse their html :P Aug 23 12:13:10 I'll scrape them! Well, their windshield maybe :P Aug 23 12:13:19 hahaha, oh haha and because ... haha Aug 23 12:13:20 :) Aug 23 12:13:25 ? Aug 23 12:13:25 pretty sneaky :P Aug 23 12:13:43 Dave, if you want some fun, go to the googlemaps live page Aug 23 12:13:55 add on "&agencyMap=true" to the url Aug 23 12:14:00 :O Aug 23 12:14:05 oh snaps Aug 23 12:14:15 then once it's loaded, delete the contents of the url, and type "javascript:popupDebug()" Aug 23 12:14:28 hahahahaha Aug 23 12:14:34 -hot- Aug 23 12:14:40 they wrote it to be hacked Aug 23 12:14:44 Apparently! Aug 23 12:14:46 >:) Aug 23 12:14:47 the xml queries even tell you why they fail Aug 23 12:14:52 sweet! Aug 23 12:15:04 oh yeah, lint, we've already had a ghostbus or two, it was fun Aug 23 12:15:15 yeah, we get those Aug 23 12:15:16 gps goes down, but comes back up episodically Aug 23 12:15:24 it's when their onboard is malfunctioning :) Aug 23 12:15:29 another reason for this... detects if the data is stale better Aug 23 12:15:30 yeh, it's somewhat amusing Aug 23 12:15:34 EXACTLY! Aug 23 12:15:37 not OMG SURPRISE BUS! Aug 23 12:15:48 yep Aug 23 12:15:59 or worse, when a bus actually goes out of service early or something, but the ticker is never updated for it (for the rest of the route) Aug 23 12:16:03 :( Aug 23 12:16:12 I was disappointed, when I was trying to get it Aug 23 12:16:25 oh, it also tells you how late the bus is (as per its schedule) Aug 23 12:16:34 haha, they're all late Aug 23 12:16:36 or early! Aug 23 12:16:39 but, good, good Aug 23 12:16:45 Lint, is there anything this cannot tell me!? Aug 23 12:16:58 hehehe Aug 23 12:17:02 and i've yet to confirm it, but i'm pretty sure the bus id used in the xml is the number on the bus Aug 23 12:17:11 like "bus #3948" Aug 23 12:18:17 oh hot Aug 23 12:18:30 Dave, anyway, i've got some of the UI written, and an import script to take xml stop/route data and put it into an sql database Aug 23 12:18:39 but i still got a ways to go... Aug 23 12:18:59 Can I be of any help? Aug 23 12:19:17 I kind of wish to contribute in some manner, since I was all hyped about doing something similar, before. Aug 23 12:19:38 hmmm, not sure i have all too much to spread around Aug 23 12:19:47 :\ Aug 23 12:19:52 when i have something working, i'll send you the code Aug 23 12:19:53 Alright, fine Aug 23 12:19:57 you know c? Aug 23 12:19:58 Thanks Aug 23 12:19:59 Yes Aug 23 12:20:13 hahaha: Aug 23 12:20:13 well, it's all a mess right now Aug 23 12:20:20 //popupDebug(); Aug 23 12:20:25 Hilarious :) Aug 23 12:20:35 yep :) Aug 23 12:20:52 all nicely commented Aug 23 12:20:57 Yeah, I can't stop laughing. Aug 23 12:21:10 It'll surely stop those 1995 users! >:) Aug 23 12:21:33 I didn't realize that it was ALL javascript... (though it makes sense) Aug 23 12:21:36 js + xml :] Aug 23 12:21:45 too bad it's not for commercial use :P Aug 23 12:21:51 hahahaha :P Aug 23 12:21:56 Yeah,... too bad ;) Aug 23 12:22:06 could make a bit of money making a setup to sell to local bars/restaurants so their customers know when the bus will come Aug 23 12:22:06 *shifty-eyed wink* Aug 23 12:22:11 Exactly! Aug 23 12:22:20 That's kind of what I was planning actually... Aug 23 12:22:48 Ieatlint, our nextbus network is primarily a service to a campus Aug 23 12:23:01 college students would pay anything to get a nice slick little predictive interface on their phone. Aug 23 12:23:05 >:) Aug 23 12:23:13 I figured I'd be able to one-up nextbus or sell it to them. Aug 23 12:23:15 * Dave :x Aug 23 12:23:23 Well, there go my secret plans. Aug 23 12:23:45 * Tanuva just realized you're talking about real buses, no data buses... Aug 23 12:23:51 well, i might even try and keep the circulation of this low... i don't want to attract nextbus's attention Aug 23 12:23:52 Tanuva, haha, yes. Aug 23 12:24:00 *g* Aug 23 12:24:02 ieatlint, don't wanna get got, do ya? Aug 23 12:24:10 they can't "get" me Aug 23 12:24:13 They might pick you up, one day, and drop you off in EPA :P Aug 23 12:24:15 i don't want them closing the backend Aug 23 12:24:16 hahaha Aug 23 12:24:18 i want to use it, damnit Aug 23 12:24:24 lol Aug 23 12:24:28 oh dear god, not epa Aug 23 12:24:34 So lint, don't take a bus, if it's empty... :P Aug 23 12:24:39 i'd get shot Aug 23 12:24:40 THEY MAY BE ONTO YOU! Aug 23 12:24:44 haha, yeah you would! Aug 23 12:24:54 ikea is there now though Aug 23 12:24:55 hi Aug 23 12:24:57 by an eight-year old on a bike Aug 23 12:25:03 hahah, yeah it is! Aug 23 12:25:06 I liked that Aug 23 12:25:10 has anyone sucessfuly build scummvm ? Aug 23 12:25:15 Man, epa has gotten so less slumlike in the past couple of years Aug 23 12:25:19 but just as bad Aug 23 12:25:44 Come back people, it looks nice,... oh that? that's uhh, just ignore those large red stains. Aug 23 12:25:55 anyway, if i don't slack off too much, i should have something by monday Aug 23 12:26:05 trying to do it right vs quick... we'll see :P Aug 23 12:26:16 Well, that's a nice thought! Aug 23 12:26:23 We'll see if you can hold onto that, though :P Aug 23 12:26:30 na na na na na, batmon! Aug 23 12:27:04 there's an sf openmoko user group on sept2... i plan to woo them :P Aug 23 12:27:12 shit Aug 23 12:27:15 I'm jealous Aug 23 12:27:26 lint, where you guys meeting up? Aug 23 12:27:36 Maybe I could stop by :o Aug 23 12:27:41 10th and harrison, soma Aug 23 12:27:45 Ah Aug 23 12:27:47 :] Aug 23 12:27:47 near civic center Aug 23 12:27:50 right Aug 23 12:28:10 Wonder how many will attend. Aug 23 12:28:30 i dunno... a few methinks Aug 23 12:28:43 Well, I'll be in the city on the 1st for a business deal Aug 23 12:28:56 maybe I can stay over the second for this :P Aug 23 12:28:57 on labor day? Aug 23 12:29:01 I mean, it's business, right? :P Aug 23 12:29:18 Lint, surprisingly, yes. Aug 23 12:29:29 There were 12 people on a meeting in my city. 5 of which have Freerunners. And 3 waiting for theirs. Aug 23 12:29:37 But hey, what would you care, if someone was giving you big money? Aug 23 12:29:48 true enough Aug 23 12:30:04 Lint, maybe if you're lucky, you may get some ;) Aug 23 12:30:13 just come down to PA for a visit sometime :) Aug 23 12:30:21 or MV Aug 23 12:30:30 what part of PA? Aug 23 12:30:34 hahaha Aug 23 12:30:38 * Dave giggles Aug 23 12:30:46 mv == mountain view? Aug 23 12:30:52 Yes Aug 23 12:30:59 what are you, google? :P Aug 23 12:31:02 Lint, the good part Aug 23 12:31:05 * Dave hides his credentials Aug 23 12:31:15 hah Aug 23 12:31:19 sssh Aug 23 12:31:26 You're all not supposed to know that! Aug 23 12:31:26 :P Aug 23 12:31:45 * Dave hides Aug 23 12:31:50 i need to hit up some of the google people i know to get a job one of these days :P Aug 23 12:32:14 but then, even though they provide a free bus with wifi to commute to/from sf, it's still a long trip Aug 23 12:32:32 Well, depending on how this goes... I'll get you a recommendation :P Aug 23 12:32:38 heh, true enough Aug 23 12:32:46 so mooooooooooooooooooove on down here \o/ Aug 23 12:32:59 Unless you *need* to be with all your gay friends, by the bay :P Aug 23 12:33:03 sf rules :P Aug 23 12:33:05 haha Aug 23 12:33:07 That it does. Aug 23 12:33:08 hey, i like my gay friends Aug 23 12:33:14 Yeah, nothing wrong with 'em :D Aug 23 12:33:23 Unless they're hitting on you. Aug 23 12:33:27 and i love the weather here :) Aug 23 12:33:43 yeah, I drive into the city sometimes in the summer evenings, just to cool off! Aug 23 12:33:44 nah, especially since most are in committed relationships Aug 23 12:33:49 :] Aug 23 12:33:53 MOST Aug 23 12:34:25 We have got to do lunch at down castros sometime :) Aug 23 12:34:28 plus i dislike driving, so i take public transit if possible... and that's much easier here Aug 23 12:34:30 I'll take you there. Aug 23 12:34:41 sounds good... Aug 23 12:34:41 Ah, heh, yeah, true enough. Aug 23 12:34:47 Don't worry, I don't mind driving ;) Aug 23 12:34:50 and if you can make it to the users group, great Aug 23 12:34:53 Even in EPA :P Aug 23 12:34:58 *cringes* Aug 23 12:35:03 you used to live in the area? Aug 23 12:35:09 uhh... yeah... Aug 23 12:35:12 used to... Aug 23 12:35:17 * Dave looks around Aug 23 12:35:21 hah Aug 23 12:35:26 :) Aug 23 12:35:38 shdh mean anything to you? Aug 23 12:35:41 Long story, maybe I'll tell you later... Aug 23 12:35:44 He got tired of his gay friends prolly. Aug 23 12:35:48 :P Aug 23 12:36:06 no one gets tired of gay friends... they're pretty damn entertaining Aug 23 12:36:23 where can I find 3rd party packages for fso ? Aug 23 12:36:25 :D Aug 23 12:36:29 Maybe Dave took some of them to ? Aug 23 12:36:53 Well now, that's rather inflamitory. Aug 23 12:36:55 i don't think it was censored when it happened Aug 23 12:37:00 haha Aug 23 12:37:02 :P Aug 23 12:37:09 Maybe I abducted them on a ghostbus! Aug 23 12:37:14 that's great though. Aug 23 12:37:45 Dave, do you know gtk? Aug 23 12:37:59 So I'm on an empty bus one day, heading home from the train, and it's on it's last route, so I'm up at the front and I just go, cloaking device, activate! then unplug the gps unit Aug 23 12:38:03 it was cute Aug 23 12:38:04 Lint, yes I do Aug 23 12:38:12 Are you writing a crappy, hastily written GUI too? :D Aug 23 12:38:17 I wanted to work on that :( Aug 23 12:38:17 lol Aug 23 12:38:20 nah Aug 23 12:38:22 :P Aug 23 12:38:58 my plan is to put everything in a notebook, and have different pages for each... default being just one page with the semi-simplistic bus estimation Aug 23 12:39:37 then like a config button that pops up another page to set values, and a treeview to hold the buses (and selecting a bus in the treeselection allows you to pop up more details onto a new notebook page) Aug 23 12:40:04 idea being that one could then add their own notebook page "modules" relatively easily, and it only display what you need to save on space/ram Aug 23 12:45:02 ieatlint, sounds hot. Aug 23 12:45:05 and intelligent. Aug 23 12:45:16 More importantly, yes, "The right way." :P Aug 23 12:45:43 I just hope you don't give up the ghost, and delve into the "fast way," while your at it. With too much pressure and excitement, and the users group steadily approaching" ;D Aug 23 12:45:59 Moreover, can I get my name put on it? :P Aug 23 12:47:29 ike, get over here. Aug 23 12:47:35 With your "OpenTTD" Aug 23 12:48:37 Dave, my intent is to get a properly written barebones app first Aug 23 12:48:39 then expand Aug 23 12:48:53 Sounds like a logical approach :) Aug 23 12:48:55 <|Marco|> um.. I'm supposed to be able to unlock qtopia after locking it, right ? Aug 23 12:49:00 once the barebones is done, anyone who contributes would have a right to put their name on it methinks Aug 23 12:49:13 Marco, locking the screen? or the system? Aug 23 12:49:17 tentacools? :P Aug 23 12:49:26 <|Marco|> Dave: screen Aug 23 12:49:32 Ieatlint, I am just eager to contribute of course :) Aug 23 12:49:47 I want to jump your barebones ;p Aug 23 12:49:53 <|Marco|> hehehehe Aug 23 12:50:04 and Marco, yes, put the key in the lock, baby! Aug 23 12:50:06 Dave, i'm still waiting for you contribution :P Aug 23 12:50:08 *click* Aug 23 12:50:17 <|Marco|> Dave: key's not moveing.. Aug 23 12:50:19 cga, yeah well, italians must wait. Aug 23 12:50:22 lol Aug 23 12:50:22 Marco, oops? Aug 23 12:50:25 Is it frozen? Aug 23 12:50:28 <|Marco|> I wouldent ask otherwise Aug 23 12:50:33 cga, makame a pizza? Aug 23 12:50:38 better spaghetti Aug 23 12:50:43 pfft Aug 23 12:50:48 <|Marco|> dont think so, the battery charging meter is moveing Aug 23 12:50:51 i can't make the dough Aug 23 12:50:53 o_o Aug 23 12:51:00 Marco, ssh and kill the screensaver? Aug 23 12:51:12 <|Marco|> *test* Aug 23 12:51:15 heh Aug 23 12:51:22 don't blame me if it explodes! :D Aug 23 12:51:26 teehee Aug 23 12:51:34 meanwhile, someone get starcraft running on this bitch Aug 23 12:51:36 or DOOM Aug 23 12:51:41 hah Aug 23 12:51:45 >:) Aug 23 12:51:49 anyway, i should probably get some sleep Aug 23 12:52:01 That would be the epic testament Aug 23 12:52:05 Lint, oh well. Aug 23 12:52:10 Rest well, friend :) Aug 23 12:52:24 Tomorrow is another day! of openmoko and excitement! Aug 23 12:52:41 and whimsical vehicle predictions :] Aug 23 12:52:46 hehe, right... all the fun :P Aug 23 12:52:48 cya Aug 23 12:52:51 Later :P Aug 23 12:53:07 Now it's on to berating ike, and hoping Kenyoung appears, so I can beat him. Aug 23 12:53:21 kd8ikt, I guess you just lay in wait for gcwilson... Aug 23 12:53:23 Dave: master called? Aug 23 12:53:26 YETH Aug 23 12:53:31 >:) Aug 23 12:53:32 <|Marco|> HOLYHELLONWHEELS!!!! 75% cpu usage on qpe?? Aug 23 12:53:37 hahahaha Aug 23 12:53:41 Nice screensaver, eh? Aug 23 12:53:43 :P Aug 23 12:53:48 <|Marco|> there is no way I'm sticking to qtopia if that's default Aug 23 12:53:51 It's a CPU saver too, wink-wink! Aug 23 12:53:57 Marco, it shouldn't be... Aug 23 12:53:59 <|Marco|> gaaaahhhh Aug 23 12:54:07 Want me to boot my qtopia phone? Aug 23 12:54:11 <|Marco|> hehehe Aug 23 12:54:15 <|Marco|> nah Aug 23 12:54:16 Ike, have you tried this game on the freerunner? Aug 23 12:54:27 <|Marco|> brb, toilet is calling, to much coffee Aug 23 12:54:38 Dave: openttd? Yes. scaredycat has it in his repo. Aug 23 12:54:49 oh hot Aug 23 12:54:53 Do you like it? Aug 23 12:54:55 Dave: starcraft? nope since it is x86/ppc only game. Aug 23 12:55:17 ike, well, first you have to port it to linux, and acceptable network protocols, of course! Aug 23 12:55:23 or run wine... on the phone... haa Aug 23 12:55:26 Dave: on a Freerunner? not really. As I have already written - it was hardly playable. Aug 23 12:55:33 wine only speaks x86, too Aug 23 12:55:35 ike, you could run DOOM though! Aug 23 12:55:43 Dave: ;-) or quake. Aug 23 12:55:44 Tanuva, so port it! hahaha Aug 23 12:55:48 The whole thing just screams fail :D Aug 23 12:55:51 ike YES Aug 23 12:55:53 GO GO GO! Aug 23 12:55:55 you would need a whole x86 emulator Aug 23 12:56:17 not just a win->lin translator like wine Aug 23 12:56:22 Meanwhile, let's just go with games that work with the phone. Aug 23 12:56:22 play starcraft via quemu on a screaming fast 400Mhz ARM. Aug 23 12:56:31 hahaha Aug 23 12:56:33 totally! Aug 23 12:56:45 or better yet, overclock it to 500MHz! Aug 23 12:56:56 Marco, I'm booting my Qtopia freerunner. Aug 23 12:57:06 ;-) TBH it's downclocked to 400Mhz from 500Mhz. Aug 23 12:57:15 It's clocked at. Aug 23 12:57:22 rwhitby explained why that is. Aug 23 12:57:34 Anyway, GIVE ME GAMES, ike. Aug 23 12:58:27 Dave: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/ Aug 23 12:59:47 Be back in 5. I have to wash my dishes. :| Aug 23 13:00:19 bah Aug 23 13:00:47 Does anyone know where to get bfr from for the Om2007.2-release? Aug 23 13:00:48 can someone tell me how to add something manually to the fso launcher. e.g. I have battery.py which I can run from the cli, can that be added with an icon to the launcher ? Aug 23 13:01:15 openttd-0.6.0? I thought they're up to 0.6.2 or something Aug 23 13:01:32 hipitihop: place a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications Aug 23 13:01:36 heh Aug 23 13:02:08 My freerunner needs more resources :( Aug 23 13:02:12 * Dave whines at speedevil Aug 23 13:02:23 <|Marco|> Dave: mkay Aug 23 13:03:30 I think I am going to design my own repo filtering program Aug 23 13:03:42 Marco, need me to confirm anything? :P Aug 23 13:03:50 that qtopia rocks Aug 23 13:03:51 <|Marco|> nah Aug 23 13:04:06 Cga, you mean sucks. Aug 23 13:04:08 debian! Aug 23 13:04:17 * Dave high-fives Tanuva Aug 23 13:04:18 i like qtopia , at least it works Aug 23 13:04:20 <|Marco|> but i'm not very impressed so far.. Aug 23 13:04:27 right Aug 23 13:04:43 It's essentially unusable for coolness, until it gets a browser. Aug 23 13:04:44 <|Marco|> cga: HEY, *spankspank* Aug 23 13:04:49 :D Aug 23 13:05:11 * cga pats |Marco| on the head Benny Hill like Aug 23 13:05:16 <|Marco|> is it fso that follows with pr default ? Aug 23 13:05:23 <|Marco|> hrmf Aug 23 13:05:34 * |Marco| bites cga in the butt Aug 23 13:05:37 cga: Qtopia is )(I$)@#(*$)(*! Aug 23 13:05:38 <|Marco|> mohahaha Aug 23 13:05:59 :D Aug 23 13:06:07 fight fight fight! Aug 23 13:06:10 <|Marco|> hehehe Aug 23 13:06:11 * Dave makes the popcorn Aug 23 13:06:19 trupheenix, watch your scripting please :P Aug 23 13:06:27 Tanuva, thanks, is this a standard format documented somewhere ? Aug 23 13:06:28 hlaugh Aug 23 13:06:32 my FR is about 90% idle and has 80MB of ram free. wlan works, ssh works, top works. but the screen won't light up atm... Aug 23 13:06:43 heh Aug 23 13:06:46 hipitihop, freedesktop Aug 23 13:06:48 it probably went into suspend Aug 23 13:07:02 and won't completely "wakeup" Aug 23 13:07:29 er, no. a short "logread" helped... Aug 23 13:07:43 neod and avahi-daemon killed by oom-killer. Aug 23 13:08:11 back yesterday, when /var/volatile was filled with 80MB of x.log Aug 23 13:08:47 this is... unsatisfactory ;) Aug 23 13:09:52 X was shutdown too, but left /tmp/.X0-lock Aug 23 13:10:22 lol... Aug 23 13:10:23 ** (openmoko-today:2734): WARNING **: Error loading icon: Icon 'fixme' not present in theme Aug 23 13:12:28 So you just need a 'fixme' icon (; Aug 23 13:12:53 Freerunner is going down. oom-killer spotted at the scene. Freerunner is down. Aug 23 13:13:39 Maybe oom-killer should kill oom-killer first? Aug 23 13:14:25 t Aug 23 13:14:54 Tanuva, once a *.desktop file is added, how does one restart launcher ? Aug 23 13:15:12 killa! Aug 23 13:16:00 hipitihop: one doesn't, illume automatically adds the icon Aug 23 13:18:14 Tanuva, I installed opkg install battery_0.20080721_armv4t.ipk but no icon on ilume. but there is a battery.desktop file Aug 23 13:18:55 in /usr/share/applications? Aug 23 13:20:13 haha qtopia Aug 23 13:20:24 for all its coolness is still failicious in the most subliminal of ways :\ Aug 23 13:20:37 they make it so usable and cool with their contextual menu buttons etc Aug 23 13:20:41 but when they fail Aug 23 13:20:43 clicking on thing in om2007 always make this tegh tegh sound , how can i disable that ? Aug 23 13:20:44 they fail hard! Aug 23 13:20:53 Zoup, good question! Aug 23 13:21:16 comment out: load-sample touchscreen in /etc/pulse/session Aug 23 13:21:16 Tanuva, yes Aug 23 13:21:29 then no more annoying clicky sound! Aug 23 13:21:34 hipitihop: hm. which distro are you using? :D Aug 23 13:21:41 interesting :) where can i set ring tones , etc ? same file ? Aug 23 13:21:54 Tanuva, fso-testing Aug 23 13:22:02 yep, I think so Aug 23 13:22:10 if there isn't a more formal way of adding ringtones Aug 23 13:22:12 I'm unsure Aug 23 13:22:46 Awesome, so now that I've added an [incorrect] wireless lan network to my Internet Settings in Qtopia, I have no way of removing it. Aug 23 13:23:04 and it's using 50% of the cpu just sitting there trying to connect to it (with incorrect settings) Aug 23 13:23:07 hipitihop: really strange. ah, no it's not. paste the desktop file somewhere, please Aug 23 13:23:09 What's more, I have no way of editing it. Aug 23 13:23:10 :) Aug 23 13:23:14 Man, Qtopia is SO cool. -_-; Aug 23 13:24:10 Dave: but have no (fun) games. Aug 23 13:24:17 no games, n Aug 23 13:24:18 no Aug 23 13:24:23 goddamnit, leinir! Aug 23 13:24:30 hi Aug 23 13:24:42 anyone knows where's the ringtone stored? Aug 23 13:24:50 I want to replace it Aug 23 13:24:59 On OM2007.2? Aug 23 13:25:14 uhm I don't know. adquired it recently, this month Aug 23 13:25:19 Well, the default ringtone appears to be stored in /usr/share/openmoko/sounds/ringtone_classy.wav Aug 23 13:25:27 set in /etc/pulse/session Aug 23 13:25:31 ah, ok Aug 23 13:25:34 better to check the wiki Aug 23 13:25:37 is ogg supported, or just wav? Aug 23 13:25:42 hi folks Aug 23 13:25:50 Tanuva, rebooting standby Aug 23 13:25:53 Wuhu, I got internet radio to work :-D Aug 23 13:26:14 when i attempt to boot ASU on SD i get a kernel panic ! Aug 23 13:26:21 nyu, it should be, yes :) Aug 23 13:26:21 VFS: cannot open root device "mmcblk0p2" or unknown-block (179,2) Aug 23 13:26:27 rut roh Aug 23 13:26:29 Dave: cool, thanks Aug 23 13:26:30 Well, not really.... with 5MB buffer it works for ... 3 minutes... Aug 23 13:26:33 please append a correct "root=" boot option; here are the available partitions: Aug 23 13:26:44 You have been corrupted by teh ASU! Aug 23 13:27:01 so the kernel boots Aug 23 13:27:04 btw, does this thing run X? I wonder if I can install debian/arm and run X clients in a chroot Aug 23 13:27:06 but rootfs lacks Aug 23 13:27:11 nyu, yes they can be in ogg-vorbis format or wav :) Aug 23 13:27:23 nyum probably Aug 23 13:27:24 Yes it does Aug 23 13:27:29 great Aug 23 13:27:33 nyu, depends on the distro; if you run plain qtopia, it doesn't do X Aug 23 13:27:36 There's already a debian port! Aug 23 13:27:41 I only wish the software was a bit more stable Aug 23 13:27:41 if you run any of the others, yes Aug 23 13:27:54 Dave: yeah I heard about it. but I don't want to compromise the core functionality with that (yet) Aug 23 13:28:04 mjr: is qtopia the default one? Aug 23 13:28:09 i set u-boot line command like this GTA01Bv4 # setenv menu_5 Boot from SDHC: setenv bootargs root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 console=tty0 rootdelay=5 neo1973-nand:0x00040000(u-boot),0x00004000(u-boot_env),0x00200000(kernel),0x000a0000(splash)\; nand read.e 0x32000000 kernel\; bootm 0x32000000 Aug 23 13:28:14 any idea please? Aug 23 13:28:16 no Aug 23 13:28:20 rut roh Aug 23 13:28:28 btw, is there any more handy way to check the clock than starting a terminal and typing 'date'? ;-) Aug 23 13:30:23 nyu, does it not display on the home screen? Aug 23 13:30:49 Tanuva, http://pastebin.com/d198e95ff Aug 23 13:31:04 Uggh Aug 23 13:31:07 motherfucking qtopia Aug 23 13:33:07 nyu, openmoko-panel-clock Aug 23 13:33:34 hipitihop: add "Office" to "Categories" - illume doesn't display all categories, maybe Application and System are not marked for display... Aug 23 13:33:38 Dave: what's wrong with qtopia? ;) Aug 23 13:34:31 .oO( the qt ) Aug 23 13:34:37 Tanuva, e.g. tangogps has GTK;Application;PIM Aug 23 13:34:51 hipitihop: hmm... now it's getting really strange Aug 23 13:35:21 hipitihop: try removing the last ; after the System category.. Aug 23 13:35:33 I don't know if that changes anything, but it might Aug 23 13:36:14 rep! Aug 23 13:36:18 It's you! Aug 23 13:36:22 Tanuva, why doesn't illume show all categories by default?? is it a bug or is it done on purpouse? Aug 23 13:36:35 cga: don't ask me... :) Aug 23 13:36:39 eh Aug 23 13:36:42 Tanuva, yes, the categories menu interpretation is weird and fucked up. Aug 23 13:36:47 I can explain it if you want to know. Aug 23 13:36:55 yep, I want Aug 23 13:36:56 IMHO at least should have a configuration for showing them Aug 23 13:37:01 cga, no the menus category tagging is just fucked up :) Aug 23 13:37:04 ok Aug 23 13:37:11 If you want I can tell you the answer you seek. Aug 23 13:37:16 indeed Aug 23 13:37:27 e.g. I want to make X appear in Menus Y & Z, how do I do this. Aug 23 13:37:34 I am familiar with it's failures :P Aug 23 13:37:38 and frailties Aug 23 13:37:55 Tanuva, nope, removing last ; did not help Aug 23 13:38:17 * hipitihop trusts Tanuva that iume refreshes without restarting anything Aug 23 13:38:29 hipitihop: then I've no further idea... really strange, that always worked fine for me on fsom2 Aug 23 13:38:47 yes, it even accepted changes in an existing file Aug 23 13:39:04 is it something to do with a missing icon file in the ipkg file or similar ? Aug 23 13:39:45 shouldn't be, I fiddled around with icons a bit, too, and if it didn't find the icon the entry was there anyway Aug 23 13:40:33 Hm. Anyone knows how to turn off gsmd in Om2008.08? Aug 23 13:40:55 should I try and match one of the working existing categorie lists ? Aug 23 13:41:05 hipitihop: WHAT DO YOU WANT? Aug 23 13:41:23 I WILL TELL YOU HOW TO FIX IT. Aug 23 13:41:33 omg, god's speaking Aug 23 13:41:38 AFFIRMATIVE. Aug 23 13:41:45 :) Aug 23 13:41:56 I request an Intel Quadcore for the gta03 XD Aug 23 13:42:05 NEGATORY Aug 23 13:42:08 jucs! :p Aug 23 13:42:11 :-P Aug 23 13:42:15 x86? Aug 23 13:42:18 Are you nuts? Aug 23 13:42:24 x64 :-P Aug 23 13:42:27 We're leet. We should use Cell! Aug 23 13:42:34 :-D Aug 23 13:42:37 Dave, I installed opkg install battery_0.20080721_armv4t.ipk but it does not show up on ilume/launcher despite a battery.descktop file present Aug 23 13:43:22 Dave, contentes here http://pastebin.com/d198e95ff Aug 23 13:43:40 Dave, FIX IT! Aug 23 13:43:55 God, FIX IT ! Aug 23 13:44:09 Ah - the appeal to deities. Aug 23 13:44:16 When the existing coders have failed. Aug 23 13:44:31 "existing coders"? Aug 23 13:44:42 Just because God is omnipotent doesn't mean he wants to read your code. Aug 23 13:46:34 hipitihop: correct, it appears in Utilities, under GTK Aug 23 13:46:53 You want it to appear under what? Aug 23 13:47:02 Another try, maybe now it works :-D Aug 23 13:47:08 Dave: it appears that only the first 3/4 seconds of ringtone are actually played Aug 23 13:47:11 in a loop Aug 23 13:47:32 ShellEvil, same goes for omniscient Aug 23 13:47:43 can this be disabled? Aug 23 13:47:50 I want it to play the whole thing Aug 23 13:48:01 Hipitihop, you want it to display along with all the other regular applications? Aug 23 13:48:17 nyu, when a phonecall is received? Aug 23 13:48:28 Dave: yes Aug 23 13:48:30 Dave, I had no idea I could display categories as the fso-testing appears to have single desktop/launcher with icons. That is where I would like it to show Aug 23 13:48:38 hmm, yes, sounds like a conflict-of-interest bug Aug 23 13:48:40 :P Aug 23 13:48:53 or just a bug in general Aug 23 13:49:07 hipitihop: oh, okay Aug 23 13:49:11 do this, and tell me the results :) Aug 23 13:49:26 Dave, unless you want to show me how to flip ddesktop pages or something based on categories Aug 23 13:49:38 What are you using, anyway? Aug 23 13:49:45 Clearly NOT Openmoko 2007/2008 Aug 23 13:51:19 Dave, fso-testing as per the auto built stuff rwhitby gens Aug 23 13:51:29 anyway to remote starting big clock of om2007 ? Aug 23 13:51:40 oh, so, fso Aug 23 13:52:45 jucs Aug 23 13:53:00 hipitihop Aug 23 13:53:19 yes? Aug 23 13:53:28 Is it possible that the freerunner is too slow to decode ogg? Aug 23 13:53:36 no, impossible Aug 23 13:53:55 it runs ogg fine (unfortunately) :P Aug 23 13:53:56 But this runs into buffer underrun: wget --quiet -O - http://sask1-2.radio.pionier.net.pl:8000/pl/bluefm.ogg | oggdec --raw -o - - | bfr -i 1024kb -b 1024kb | aplay --file-type=raw --format=S16_LE --channels=2 --rate=48000 Aug 23 13:54:09 Dave ? yes I'm running and fso build. Aug 23 13:54:22 looks like 1180 here: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=5 Aug 23 13:54:25 * phrozen77 has his freerunner now Aug 23 13:54:30 i now has a happy :D Aug 23 13:54:37 eh? Aug 23 13:54:40 And oggdec uses ~60% of the CPU, top says... Aug 23 13:54:58 anyway, hipitihop, did you try to change Categories to just Application; ? Aug 23 13:55:29 whats fso spoken out? Aug 23 13:56:23 hipitihop? Aug 23 13:56:32 just tried, no difference Aug 23 13:56:34 phrozen77: freesmartphone.org Aug 23 13:56:40 did you restartx afterward? Aug 23 13:56:42 :P Aug 23 13:56:57 (2008-08-23 15:53:55) Dave: it runs ogg fine (unfortunately) :P <- Why, don't you like ogg? Aug 23 13:57:10 Correct :P Aug 23 13:57:11 Dave, was that aimed at me ? Aug 23 13:57:25 Why? Do you prefer the proprietary mp3? Aug 23 13:57:33 no Aug 23 13:57:39 hipitihop YES Aug 23 13:57:58 So, what's wrong about ogg? Aug 23 13:58:15 Personal dislike, and hatred. Aug 23 13:58:18 Dave, do you have proper cli command for restart Aug 23 13:58:30 o.O Aug 23 13:58:46 hipitihop: presumably, /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart Aug 23 13:58:47 ;D Aug 23 13:59:13 Hope it works for you :) Aug 23 13:59:33 Dave, can I do that from my ssh session or must be on fr proper ? Aug 23 13:59:36 * mjr loves his Commando.sid ringtune Aug 23 13:59:52 hipitihop: sure you can do it from terminal Aug 23 13:59:55 ssh, whatever Aug 23 13:59:55 :) Aug 23 14:00:02 you don't require a DISPLAY Aug 23 14:00:12 mjr, well, aren't we special :) Aug 23 14:00:26 Using 8bit ringtones in 2008. Aug 23 14:00:39 because we're going back in time. Aug 23 14:01:30 hey, it's polyphonic! Aug 23 14:01:35 hipitihop, did it work? Aug 23 14:02:09 restart worked, but still nothing new on desktop Aug 23 14:03:06 uhh Aug 23 14:03:11 hrm, I'm unfamiliar with FSO Aug 23 14:03:16 but I could make shots in the dark Aug 23 14:03:31 hipitihop, is there a non-office like app on the desktop you can paste the .desktop file for? :) Aug 23 14:03:42 and INSTALLED app Aug 23 14:03:47 not something that came with it Aug 23 14:03:57 Dave, tangogps Aug 23 14:04:54 hipitihop: What's tangogps.desktop's Categories line? Aug 23 14:04:58 for you Aug 23 14:05:02 Dave, hold on, Tango suggests its office Aug 23 14:05:21 Dave actually has two ;-) Aug 23 14:05:35 Please paste the line :P Aug 23 14:05:52 Dave 1 = Categories=GTK;Application;PIM Aug 23 14:05:52 I am trying to ascertain how FSO doesn't it's crappy category handling Aug 23 14:06:02 hah, yeah Aug 23 14:06:05 okay :P Aug 23 14:06:13 Dave, 2 = Categories=Office; Aug 23 14:06:22 wtf :D Aug 23 14:06:30 It has two Categories lines? Aug 23 14:06:42 yip, I'll pastebin standby Aug 23 14:06:48 please do Aug 23 14:06:52 :P Aug 23 14:07:33 Dave, http://pastebin.com/d33f4db6d Aug 23 14:07:38 thanks Aug 23 14:08:17 lowell Aug 23 14:08:18 haha Aug 23 14:08:28 hipitihop, care to test this with me? :) Aug 23 14:08:45 Dave, sure if it will help someone or prove a bug Aug 23 14:08:48 Change Battery's .desktop to have Categories=Office; only Aug 23 14:08:55 remove the Application; part Aug 23 14:09:05 k Aug 23 14:09:06 then restart X and see if it did anything Aug 23 14:09:07 :P Aug 23 14:10:09 Dave, appeared instantly, no nead for restart Aug 23 14:10:15 :D Aug 23 14:10:24 nice Aug 23 14:10:41 hipitihop, not to spoil your party, but mind changing it once more? :P Aug 23 14:10:52 np Aug 23 14:10:58 Categories=GTK;Application;PIM Aug 23 14:11:02 no more Office; Aug 23 14:11:09 then see if it disappears, or stays ;) Aug 23 14:12:14 Dave, ** pooof ** Aug 23 14:12:16 Good :) Aug 23 14:12:22 It SHOULD disappear if this is FSO Aug 23 14:12:35 care to explain Aug 23 14:12:35 since it has a separate set of category handlers, which appear to be functioning :P Aug 23 14:12:38 So change it back to Office; Aug 23 14:12:42 and it should be good :) Aug 23 14:12:49 k, thanks for th ehelp Aug 23 14:12:51 Yeah I could explain a little, if you'd like. Aug 23 14:13:01 is any of this documented anywhere Aug 23 14:13:05 Basically each distro has their own intepretation of how to handle the category handlers Aug 23 14:13:09 I wish there was, maybe? Aug 23 14:13:09 how can i rotate the display from a terminal ? Aug 23 14:13:12 Other than the source code. Aug 23 14:13:24 pete_b, xrandr -o Aug 23 14:13:33 and the orientation you want Aug 23 14:13:34 thx Aug 23 14:13:38 like xrandr -o 1 Aug 23 14:14:21 hipitihop, unfortunately, not only does each distro's interpretation of these Categories appear to be different, but, some of their Category systems don't even work properly yet Aug 23 14:14:39 No one really complains because they -work- in some manner, even if they are unsorted and not great. Aug 23 14:15:00 Like in your case it prevented you from accessing the application but mostly it just puts it in an inconveniently accessible location Aug 23 14:15:07 or you have ALL the apps in one giant menu Aug 23 14:15:10 which too, sucks. Aug 23 14:15:22 I see. thanks Aug 23 14:15:31 So I've been reworking the .desktops and Categories, in hopes to better this :) Aug 23 14:15:35 Yeah, like in GTK Aug 23 14:15:42 so on to more important things, have we any decent games on this thing yet :-) Aug 23 14:15:50 Categories=Games doesn't make shit show up in games Aug 23 14:16:01 which is the default for any Freerunner Game Aug 23 14:16:06 however, Categories=Game does! Aug 23 14:16:09 stupid, right? Aug 23 14:16:14 indeed Aug 23 14:16:16 Right. Aug 23 14:16:27 so you are working on this part of things Aug 23 14:16:29 also GTK;Application;PIM doesn't make applications show up in the PIM menu Aug 23 14:16:36 but GTK;Application;Office does! Aug 23 14:16:39 retarded :P Aug 23 14:16:46 braindead Aug 23 14:16:51 hipitihop, I'm trying to, yes! :) Aug 23 14:16:56 I hope to contribute it to OM soon :P Aug 23 14:17:01 hopefully they listen :) Aug 23 14:17:12 Seems like an obvious fix though Aug 23 14:17:14 these things should work like a basic tag system no ? Aug 23 14:17:29 but getting each and every distro to use and adhear to the same Category labels, might be a bit difficult :| Aug 23 14:17:36 hipitihop: It SHOULD, ideally Aug 23 14:17:50 but clearly not even if a single system is broken, which in the case of GTK it appears to be the case. Aug 23 14:17:55 It can't even tell what it wants! Aug 23 14:18:24 Well what likely happened is the person who initially coded it, put it in a way which he thought people would do like he did. But of course, people did what they thought was right, and left it as is. Aug 23 14:18:27 Dave, the categories should probably be arbitrary and up to each distro but we need a meta definition for them I guess Aug 23 14:18:30 so of course there are disconnects Aug 23 14:18:37 RIGHT! Aug 23 14:18:38 :) Aug 23 14:18:47 Then we just need to convert the unbelievers! >:) Aug 23 14:18:51 or form a cabal :p Aug 23 14:18:59 :p Aug 23 14:19:10 uhm Aug 23 14:19:12 how do i go into the settings? Aug 23 14:19:25 Dave, what are you coding in at this level ? Aug 23 14:19:26 /dev/cabal Aug 23 14:19:30 I'll probably just try to be the first to define a general standard and spam the hell out of the maintainers :P Aug 23 14:19:44 Virus! Aug 23 14:19:55 damn Aug 23 14:20:07 Dave: won't you ever mention my nickname correctly ? Aug 23 14:20:15 At this point, no. Aug 23 14:20:21 I see Aug 23 14:20:38 It is far too entertaining to constantly antagonize you about it. Aug 23 14:20:45 Plus, I thought it was our special game :P Aug 23 14:20:55 lol Aug 23 14:20:57 Well. I think that Debian has very nice menu system which is well defined. Aug 23 14:21:08 ;) Aug 23 14:21:18 ike, yeah, but many unfortunately are anti-debian Aug 23 14:21:35 so they're probably just arbitrarily oppose any suggestions we made Aug 23 14:21:37 Who cares if one is anti-debian or pro-debian since we have a cabal here? Aug 23 14:21:38 (bastards) Aug 23 14:21:46 haha, we do? :) Aug 23 14:21:50 how do i go into the settings? Aug 23 14:21:52 other than the Official OM developers Aug 23 14:21:53 :P Aug 23 14:22:09 Come on, we can't just have a invititation only cabal Aug 23 14:22:14 these things have to be SEKRET Aug 23 14:22:20 * Dave puts on his cloak Aug 23 14:22:29 thanks for the lesson and assist Dave. Good luck with the cabal Aug 23 14:22:40 Sure :) Aug 23 14:22:47 Hit me up if you need any more assistance :) Aug 23 14:23:22 thanks, tons to learn and one day will contribute myself. but now I must off to sleep Aug 23 14:23:54 Alright, sleep well :) Aug 23 14:24:47 Dave, I'd like to get squeak running on this. Who's got the skills to compile the VM for me Aug 23 14:28:00 hm Aug 23 14:28:11 for some reason it seems my power button is now without function Aug 23 14:28:15 is this something known? Aug 23 14:29:19 phrozen77, is your phone on or off? Aug 23 14:29:22 on Aug 23 14:29:38 phrozen77, press it more than 8 seconds Aug 23 14:29:40 i used it to disable wifi Aug 23 14:29:56 * hipitihop waves goodnight to all Aug 23 14:30:02 hm Aug 23 14:30:05 phrozen77, ah, which image are you using? Aug 23 14:30:07 nothing happens Aug 23 14:30:09 uhm Aug 23 14:30:11 just received Aug 23 14:30:23 whatever it is on it by default Aug 23 14:31:00 heehee Aug 23 14:31:03 bye :) Aug 23 14:31:15 phrozen77: neod probably crapped out Aug 23 14:31:25 so Aug 23 14:31:27 ? Aug 23 14:31:45 What image is this? GTK? Aug 23 14:32:17 Dave, whatever is on it by default Aug 23 14:32:28 how am i supposed to make a / on that keyboard` Aug 23 14:32:35 haha Aug 23 14:32:41 hit zero a lot? Aug 23 14:32:45 otherwise, I'm not sure you can :) Aug 23 14:32:51 wtf Aug 23 14:32:58 I replaced that keyboard a long time ago Aug 23 14:33:05 and how exactly would i go with restarting that neod? Aug 23 14:33:15 restart the phone, unfortunately Aug 23 14:33:21 but see if it's not something else Aug 23 14:33:30 honestly, to me it was just easier on my sanity to restart the phone Aug 23 14:33:31 meh Aug 23 14:33:37 are you using the latest kernel/software? Aug 23 14:33:55 i just unpackaged it 30 mins ago Aug 23 14:33:55 so no Aug 23 14:34:02 oh! :D Aug 23 14:34:13 Congratulations! :) Aug 23 14:34:30 Welcome to the wonderful world of openmoko! Aug 23 14:34:35 mhm ty Aug 23 14:34:53 any idea how to adjust the ringtone length? Aug 23 14:35:12 uhh Aug 23 14:35:22 3-4 seconds isn't long enough to play the free software song :-/ Aug 23 14:35:46 I hope this doesn't need code changes; I don't have a build env handy Aug 23 14:35:47 wow Aug 23 14:35:53 nyu :) Aug 23 14:36:00 don't worry Aug 23 14:36:17 and not much time to hack, TBH :-( Aug 23 14:37:11 right right Aug 23 14:37:12 that's okay Aug 23 14:37:17 That's what the openmoko people are for! Aug 23 14:37:41 ah, well. got any solution? :-) Aug 23 14:38:20 Not yet :) Aug 23 14:38:26 Other people may know Aug 23 14:38:36 Let me see, if the wiki has anything remotely interesting on this matter. Aug 23 14:38:52 I searched there, but couldn't find Aug 23 14:39:10 I suppose this must be a common request? Aug 23 14:39:11 Currently according to the wiki it seems that it is forced into a loop Aug 23 14:39:13 yes Aug 23 14:39:34 well, not particularly to play the FSS, but other long tones ;-) Aug 23 14:39:56 yeah, I noticed this. the default ringtone is much longer (filled with silence) than what the FR plays Aug 23 14:40:42 I wonder what's the point of this, instead of just shipping a shorter (and smaller) tone Aug 23 14:41:08 the default ringtone is also non-free :) Aug 23 14:41:17 ah Aug 23 14:41:27 unsure Aug 23 14:41:28 lindi, haha Aug 23 14:41:45 looking at the FSO_Ringtones just scares me :p Aug 23 14:41:47 heehe Aug 23 14:41:56 (no permission given for commercial redistribution as far as i know) Aug 23 14:41:56 time to try out openttd, ike ;) Aug 23 14:41:57 hi Dave Aug 23 14:42:05 hey bumble :D Aug 23 14:42:24 lindi-: ugh Aug 23 14:42:51 i also want to have openttd Aug 23 14:42:57 is there a ipkg? Aug 23 14:43:10 lindi-: do you know a way to replace it with a longer one? Aug 23 14:43:33 white_gecko, yes... Aug 23 14:43:41 nyu: cp should be a way to replace it? Aug 23 14:44:07 lindi-: there's a hardcoded max length Aug 23 14:44:15 unfortunately clicking its application icon seems to not do anything. Aug 23 14:44:20 nyu, yes, and that is retarded. Aug 23 14:44:21 nyu: but you can change that? Aug 23 14:44:23 it truncates longer songs Aug 23 14:44:43 I believe on the wishlist there is an item for this specifying a global maximum which should be software specified Aug 23 14:44:51 lindi-: I got no idea how, and would really like to avoid getting my hands dirty with the code right now Aug 23 14:44:54 nyu, truncating isn't bad, but sucky Aug 23 14:45:02 lindi likes getting dirty... :P Aug 23 14:45:12 Does anyone why the freerunner sometimes hangs completely when charging? Has anyone experienced this? Aug 23 14:45:17 while* Aug 23 14:45:22 know* Aug 23 14:45:24 I experienced some hangs Aug 23 14:45:29 hangs? Aug 23 14:45:35 can live with it though Aug 23 14:45:46 Dave: UI became unresponsive and had to shutdown, IIRC Aug 23 14:45:47 Everything freezes, you can't turn off without taking the battery out... Aug 23 14:45:55 it* Aug 23 14:45:56 ah, not that Aug 23 14:45:58 oh, lame Aug 23 14:46:13 It usually only happens while charging.... Aug 23 14:46:15 and found other minor bugs. anyway, I can live with those too Aug 23 14:46:31 if I could just play the free software song!! Aug 23 14:46:32 fuck you, scaredycat! Aug 23 14:46:40 jucs, I blame you. Aug 23 14:46:42 Free Software Song? Aug 23 14:46:49 yo Dave Aug 23 14:46:55 I have not experienced that, and I have experienced pretty much all power issues possible :P Aug 23 14:47:00 unfortunately :( Aug 23 14:47:05 nyu: it's python, you should be changing it all the time :) Aug 23 14:47:11 jucs: http://www.gnu.org/music/free-software-song.html Aug 23 14:47:21 lindi-: haven't learnt python yet Aug 23 14:47:34 :) Aug 23 14:47:40 nyu, yeah I'm trying to do that at the moment :) Aug 23 14:47:44 perfect opportunity :) Aug 23 14:47:51 lindi-: ENOTIME :-( Aug 23 14:47:53 other than wrestling with crappy applications Aug 23 14:48:08 nyu, no chance to survive? Aug 23 14:48:24 Dave: ?? Aug 23 14:48:42 Oh my gosh :-D Aug 23 14:48:51 Dave, how can i open the settings? Aug 23 14:48:53 to me it looks like the gsm chip changes status which causes it to stop playing the ringtone Aug 23 14:48:54 404 LAWL Aug 23 14:49:02 phrozen77: what settings? for what exactly? Aug 23 14:49:05 if msgType == "0": # setup (MT) Aug 23 14:49:05 info.update ( { "status": "incoming", "direction": "incoming" } ) Aug 23 14:49:10 lindi: haw Aug 23 14:49:11 lindi-: how is gsm related to this? Aug 23 14:49:14 uhm some general settings and stuff? Aug 23 14:49:26 Singing is definitly not his destiny... Aug 23 14:49:29 it's hilariously and unfortunately and unjustly related or interfering with everything! Aug 23 14:49:40 nyu, you go to nyu by any chance? :D Aug 23 14:49:52 Dave: no, that's Catalan for "gnu" Aug 23 14:49:56 nyu: and the RingReceiver keeps on playing as long as "status":"incoming" exists Aug 23 14:50:04 meh Aug 23 14:50:05 bah Aug 23 14:50:08 it could of course have many other explanations :) Aug 23 14:50:19 can somebody tell me how i can for instance access the wifi dialog? Aug 23 14:50:32 lindi-: ok I'll give up for now ;-) Aug 23 14:51:02 fwiw, my cats love the laserpointer Aug 23 14:51:02 :D Aug 23 14:51:11 lindi-: got debian/arm in the SD? Aug 23 14:51:23 nyu: yes Aug 23 14:51:41 lindi-: could you quick-check if wesnoth renders well in that screen? Aug 23 14:51:59 fuck Aug 23 14:52:00 In the Settings application on Om2008.8, there's a "WiFi" item Aug 23 14:52:09 WHERE THE HELL IS THIS APP? Aug 23 14:52:10 meh Aug 23 14:52:15 It doesn't exist yet? Aug 23 14:52:24 Why are you using 2008.8 ? Especially if you just got your phone? Aug 23 14:52:25 :D Aug 23 14:52:26 nyu: can't i run wesnoth on my x86 system and show it on openmoko? Aug 23 14:52:27 baller. Aug 23 14:52:35 why does everyone want a wlan gui, it works perfectly from a terminal... Aug 23 14:52:40 lindi-: works too Aug 23 14:52:45 right Aug 23 14:53:04 nyu: maybe later today, i need to enter some roads into openstreetmap first Aug 23 14:53:13 hah Aug 23 14:53:16 Tanuva: Just because you'll need 5 minutes to connect to a network... Aug 23 14:53:20 lindi-: ah, nice Aug 23 14:53:30 * Dave beats ike Aug 23 14:53:32 It would be no problem at all if you had a keyboard... Aug 23 14:54:44 heh Aug 23 14:54:55 Grawr Aug 23 14:57:22 uggh Aug 23 14:58:06 Dear OpenTTD, fix your website, and your crummy software. Aug 23 14:59:20 hm Aug 23 14:59:32 why do i get permission denied when i try to ssh into the phone Aug 23 14:59:39 huh? Aug 23 14:59:41 the webpage states the pass is blank Aug 23 14:59:43 phrozen77: as root? Aug 23 14:59:47 yes Aug 23 14:59:47 correct Aug 23 14:59:50 AS ROOT Aug 23 14:59:57 still, permission denied Aug 23 15:00:03 you're not cool enough? Aug 23 15:00:11 phrozen77: try -v, or -vvv Aug 23 15:00:13 :P Aug 23 15:00:25 phrozen77: also try run a non-daemonized server with -d Aug 23 15:00:28 or don't use secure ip Aug 23 15:00:46 where are contacts stored, phone or sim? Aug 23 15:00:57 where would you like them to be stored? ;) Aug 23 15:01:09 I notice /home has some stuff, but moving my old sim brought my old contacts in Aug 23 15:01:12 Dave: phone only Aug 23 15:01:21 good Aug 23 15:01:25 I want to be able to back them up with rsync Aug 23 15:01:33 that Aug 23 15:01:36 yep yeP! Aug 23 15:01:41 that's the default Aug 23 15:01:44 and that's what I do :) Aug 23 15:01:50 ok, so what about old ones? Aug 23 15:01:57 they were in the sim with my old phone Aug 23 15:01:59 old ones? SIMs or contacts? Aug 23 15:02:04 contacts Aug 23 15:02:18 moving your old sim brought your contacts in? Aug 23 15:02:23 party! Aug 23 15:02:24 yep Aug 23 15:02:30 well then it's working, right? :) Aug 23 15:02:37 or did you not want it to do that automatically? :P Aug 23 15:02:40 but are they still in sim? Aug 23 15:02:41 or in the phone? Aug 23 15:02:48 contact list pollution? Aug 23 15:02:48 I want to backup everything Aug 23 15:02:49 oh Aug 23 15:02:57 I doubt it MOVES them Aug 23 15:03:05 just imports Aug 23 15:03:07 ok, so I need to manually do that? Aug 23 15:03:13 manually do what? Aug 23 15:03:16 imports == copies? Aug 23 15:03:20 back everything on the phone's contact list to SIM/ Aug 23 15:03:23 yes import == COPY Aug 23 15:03:26 not MOVE Aug 23 15:03:37 ok, so in the phone I have now a complete contact list? Aug 23 15:03:47 including those that were initially in the sim? Aug 23 15:03:47 I would hope so. Aug 23 15:03:54 that it copied over? Aug 23 15:04:22 when i install "lint-wifi" i get http://paste.debian.net/15449/ Aug 23 15:04:31 heehee Aug 23 15:04:51 what to do with suche errors? Aug 23 15:05:31 wtf, changed the pass and it still says incorrect pass Aug 23 15:05:33 grr Aug 23 15:05:41 phrozen77: what ARE you doing!? Aug 23 15:05:48 (to your freerunner) o_o Aug 23 15:05:54 I WANT TO FUCKING GET SSHD INTO THE PHONE Aug 23 15:05:57 FOR FUCKS SAKE Aug 23 15:06:24 hahahaha Aug 23 15:06:35 connect to your freerunner? Aug 23 15:06:35 hm Aug 23 15:07:46 HOW Aug 23 15:07:48 damnit Aug 23 15:07:59 all OM images i tried had sshd already inside Aug 23 15:08:34 ssh root@192.168.0.202, works Aug 23 15:08:34 anybody knows of the problems with fso source "PATH=/misc/src/openmoko/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi:/misc/src/openmoko/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/sbin:/misc/src/openmoko/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin:/misc/src/openmoko/build/tmp/cross/bin:/misc/src/openmoko/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/sbin:/misc/src/openmoko/bitbake/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games; git ls-remote git://git.freesmartphone.org/even Aug 23 15:08:41 fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly Aug 23 15:08:44 ? Aug 23 15:09:00 Wonka, it says wrong password - while its supposed to be blank... Aug 23 15:09:03 i changed it then on the phone Aug 23 15:09:06 but still no go Aug 23 15:09:38 shwoly crap Aug 23 15:09:42 phrozen77: while the PW was blank, I wasn't asked for one Aug 23 15:09:49 i was Aug 23 15:09:50 how are you changing things on the phone? openmoko-terminal2? :P Aug 23 15:10:01 terminal yep Aug 23 15:10:06 oh, okay :P Aug 23 15:10:09 uhh Aug 23 15:10:15 phrozen77: what sshd is running there? openssh or dropbear? Aug 23 15:10:18 right! Aug 23 15:10:20 good question Aug 23 15:11:02 hm Aug 23 15:11:05 I installed openssh-sshd and put my pubkey into ~/.ssh/authorized_keys - works fine Aug 23 15:11:10 looks like the client is dropbear Aug 23 15:11:14 that's fine Aug 23 15:11:14 sshd -> not found Aug 23 15:11:19 right Aug 23 15:11:20 dropbear Aug 23 15:11:48 so? Aug 23 15:13:47 phrozen77@phrozen77-laptop:~$ ssh root@192.168.2.30 Aug 23 15:13:48 The authenticity of host '192.168.2.30 (192.168.2.30)' can't be established. Aug 23 15:13:48 RSA key fingerprint is 14:36:a4:fa:ff:a0:ab:f3:31:4e:0c:d7:70:6d:c4:16. Aug 23 15:13:48 Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes Aug 23 15:13:48 Warning: Permanently added '192.168.2.30' (RSA) to the list of known hosts. Aug 23 15:13:48 root@192.168.2.30's password: Aug 23 15:13:50 Permission denied, please try again. Aug 23 15:13:52 root@192.168.2.30's password: Aug 23 15:13:54 Permission denied, please try again. Aug 23 15:13:58 root@192.168.2.30's password: Aug 23 15:14:00 Permission denied (publickey,password). Aug 23 15:14:16 this first hour is already fail on so many levels.. Aug 23 15:14:49 Hi all. Aug 23 15:15:03 and you are still asked to ack the hostkey every time? Aug 23 15:15:07 no Aug 23 15:15:14 ok Aug 23 15:15:17 it was just because i first was su'd Aug 23 15:15:25 then dropped back to my normal user Aug 23 15:15:26 mh. no further idea atm.. Aug 23 15:15:40 Dave? Aug 23 15:15:44 owned Aug 23 15:15:56 You have modified your original configuration! Aug 23 15:16:03 normal user? Aug 23 15:16:08 What is this, a PC? Aug 23 15:16:36 what is what? Aug 23 15:16:40 where i am typing from? Aug 23 15:16:41 a laptop Aug 23 15:17:16 your freerunner is 192.168.2.30? Aug 23 15:17:19 yes Aug 23 15:17:54 is it possible to set a multi-boot on GTA02 ? Aug 23 15:18:05 ssh -2 -l root 192.168.2.30 Aug 23 15:18:07 a main kernel and rootfs put in NAND Aug 23 15:18:09 enter Aug 23 15:18:11 no workie? Aug 23 15:18:18 and others stuff on a microSDHC Aug 23 15:18:50 lambda: yes its possible - look it up in the wiki Aug 23 15:19:11 i do Aug 23 15:19:17 but can't Aug 23 15:19:28 Dave, doesnt work either Aug 23 15:19:40 :[ Aug 23 15:19:56 phrozen, and you said you passwd'ed root on the phone? Aug 23 15:20:01 yup Aug 23 15:20:05 did you try changing your root password to SOMETHING? Aug 23 15:20:07 rather than nothing Aug 23 15:20:18 did you try restarting the phone after this? Aug 23 15:20:20 i get mixed messages here? Aug 23 15:20:25 hmm? Aug 23 15:20:42 arent your two sentences sort of contradicting themselves? Aug 23 15:20:46 and for the record Aug 23 15:20:49 yes i changed the root pass Aug 23 15:20:54 Apparently Aug 23 15:20:58 this is why you're in trouble :D Aug 23 15:21:10 well it didnt work before Aug 23 15:21:32 is there a working wifi configurator for 2008.8? Aug 23 15:22:12 .oO( openmoko-terminal2 ) Aug 23 15:22:17 some successfully set a multi-boot up, there ? Aug 23 15:22:23 s/someone Aug 23 15:23:05 yes Aug 23 15:23:09 hail zorkman Aug 23 15:23:17 but apparently tri-booting isn't ready yet? :P Aug 23 15:23:27 Wonka :D Aug 23 15:23:29 Indeed :P Aug 23 15:23:37 Dave, can i take a look to your u-boot config please ? Aug 23 15:23:40 phrozen, so you haven't been able since you got your phone to ssh into it? Aug 23 15:23:45 my uboot config? Aug 23 15:23:50 tri-booting should also work Aug 23 15:24:00 (and it does, although i haven't tried it myself) Aug 23 15:24:18 ah, I thought you did Aug 23 15:24:19 Dave, indeed Aug 23 15:24:21 Dave, yeah the printenv maybe have you pasted somewhere Aug 23 15:24:28 Zorkman, give lambda your info then :) Aug 23 15:24:31 and fwiw, iwlist eth0 scan also fails Aug 23 15:24:32 GRRR Aug 23 15:24:34 phrozen, wow really? Aug 23 15:24:37 this pisses me of to no end Aug 23 15:24:40 POS Aug 23 15:25:03 phrozen, so let me get this straight, you got your phone, flashed 2008.8 and now it doesn't work? Aug 23 15:25:10 I DIDNT FLASH JACK SHIT Aug 23 15:25:11 ffs Aug 23 15:25:23 this pos is out of the box Aug 23 15:25:24 Well then, maybe you should :) Aug 23 15:25:34 lambda: do you want to dualboot? Aug 23 15:25:36 You should flash the most recent image of whichever flavor you'd like. Aug 23 15:25:38 cant i upgrade with opkg? Aug 23 15:25:43 oh, yes you can Aug 23 15:25:45 Zorkman, yes at least Aug 23 15:25:47 ASSUMING YOUR NETWORKING WORKS Aug 23 15:25:48 :) Aug 23 15:25:52 >_< Aug 23 15:25:56 and you are able to resolve addresses Aug 23 15:25:57 :p Aug 23 15:26:02 lambda: have you read the wiki section about it? (it's very good) Aug 23 15:26:03 (perform name lookups) Aug 23 15:26:12 Zero_Dogg, yes in depth Aug 23 15:26:19 phrozen, albeit not being able to login via ssh, does your phone have usb networking setup? :P Aug 23 15:26:27 lambda: well then, doesn't it work? Aug 23 15:26:45 but additional setenv menu****blabla** dont work as i want Aug 23 15:26:51 lambda: if you use fat as kernel partition and ext2 as rootfs, you don't have to edit uboot Aug 23 15:26:53 Anyone an idea how to get "Openmoko mail" working? Aug 23 15:27:09 Zorkman, i only have ext2 and ext3 fs Aug 23 15:27:42 and i put uImage.bin and rootfs.jffs2 on e.g /dev/mmcbtkp1 Aug 23 15:27:43 if you don't want all the ubuut hassle: just use fat and ext2; works straight out of the box (with a recent uboot) Aug 23 15:28:09 GREAT JUST GREAT Aug 23 15:28:14 now the pile of shit locked up Aug 23 15:28:17 explosion? Aug 23 15:28:19 hawt Aug 23 15:28:21 i can't doing fat file systel Aug 23 15:28:22 lol Aug 23 15:28:26 my fdisk is messing me up Aug 23 15:28:36 Dave, usb networking was what i attempted to do Aug 23 15:28:37 why not lambda? Aug 23 15:28:38 it should Aug 23 15:28:42 fuck.disk fdisk :p Aug 23 15:28:49 i got a error: Aug 23 15:28:50 phrozen77, heh Aug 23 15:28:50 So your phone is now frozen, phrozen :-DDDD Aug 23 15:29:00 phrozen, well, can you ping external addresses on your phone Aug 23 15:29:02 filesystem too small Aug 23 15:29:17 phrozen, honestly though, my best advice would be flash the motherfucking phone. Aug 23 15:29:21 lambda: choose a bigger partition then? I use 8MB for the kernel Aug 23 15:29:25 Because upgrading won't resolve your root password problem Aug 23 15:29:40 though flashing will reset EVERYTHING so, you shouldn't run into that problem again. Aug 23 15:29:54 And you don't have to yell, I'm perfectly aware how absolutely aggravating this is :) Aug 23 15:30:03 yeah, sorry for that Aug 23 15:30:13 and just think, this only the beginning! Aug 23 15:30:13 its just i want to do ANYTHING for an hour straight Aug 23 15:30:17 * Dave cackles maniacally Aug 23 15:30:21 phrozen77: you have to make a single fat32 fs for the kernel and then an ext2 fs for the root Aug 23 15:30:21 and all it does is lock up and whatnot Aug 23 15:30:21 so Aug 23 15:30:26 woo? Aug 23 15:30:32 any guides on flashing? Aug 23 15:30:38 on the wiki? Aug 23 15:30:40 absolutely Aug 23 15:30:45 Yes. Aug 23 15:30:46 and what would be the best image as of yet? Aug 23 15:30:49 phrozen77: yeah, everything is on the wiki, really Aug 23 15:31:02 Depends on what you want... Aug 23 15:31:02 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_neo_FreeRunner Aug 23 15:31:04 phrozen77 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner Aug 23 15:31:10 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Latest_Images Aug 23 15:31:14 Zorkman, did you set an extended partition or a primary one ? Aug 23 15:31:17 Zorkman, I win :P Aug 23 15:31:27 primary lambda, just like they say on the wiki Aug 23 15:31:28 i am unble to mkfs.vfat an extended partition ! Aug 23 15:31:37 thanks Zorkman + Dave Aug 23 15:31:40 :) Aug 23 15:31:45 i thought the wiki told the opposite Aug 23 15:31:58 so.... Aug 23 15:32:06 going to have a smoke before Aug 23 15:32:15 good call :p Aug 23 15:32:21 or i'll have a heart attack in the next few minutes Aug 23 15:32:24 otoh, i Aug 23 15:32:31 i'll get one a few years later from smoking Aug 23 15:32:34 Well, either way ;) Aug 23 15:32:38 right :P Aug 23 15:32:40 haha Aug 23 15:32:43 lambda: you have misread, it says primary Aug 23 15:32:53 Zorkman, are you running 2007.2? Aug 23 15:33:05 what was the official reason the FR got not UMTS? couldn't find any information about it on the wiki... IIRC no chip could be found which fulfilled all licensing needs.... Aug 23 15:33:09 Zorkman, ok :) you put all your uImage.bin matching the desired OS you want to boot into on the 8MB partition Aug 23 15:33:18 ? Aug 23 15:33:58 eliasp, that at least has been officially mentioned. Though others are most certainly cost and worldwide deployability anyway. Aug 23 15:34:02 lambda: haven't tried tripple booting so I don't know how you should do it Aug 23 15:34:16 mjr: ok Aug 23 15:35:50 heehee Aug 23 15:35:51 ok hope it will work out of the fly with fat+ext2 Aug 23 15:35:52 thx Aug 23 15:35:58 No Neo Freerunners were harmed in the making of this video. Aug 23 15:36:05 :) Aug 23 15:36:41 yehaw, just found out theres 'vi' on 2008.8 ... going to replace it with vim ;) Aug 23 15:36:50 lambda: it will (as long as you have a recent u-boot) Aug 23 15:37:08 the vi on neodebian behaves.... really strange Aug 23 15:37:08 I have a 1.3.1 Aug 23 15:37:12 for gta02 Aug 23 15:37:35 which date? Aug 23 15:37:50 (anything from august should suffice) Aug 23 15:37:52 picked up on http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080822/ Aug 23 15:37:58 22.08 Aug 23 15:38:04 ok Aug 23 15:38:13 that sounds good Aug 23 15:38:16 it is Aug 23 15:38:45 opkg search sanity Aug 23 15:39:30 -2 Aug 23 15:39:33 :( Aug 23 15:39:37 yes Aug 23 15:43:26 uggh Aug 23 15:45:07 * Dave prods ike Aug 23 15:45:16 df -h / Aug 23 15:45:28 crap out of space again Aug 23 15:46:59 craptastic Aug 23 15:47:14 totally craptasical maaaaaaaaaan! Aug 23 15:47:49 har du en dop, zash? Aug 23 15:48:04 zomg Aug 23 15:48:32 jeg er ikket norsk Aug 23 15:48:37 :[ Aug 23 15:48:58 sucky Aug 23 15:49:11 ?! Aug 23 15:49:22 hm Aug 23 15:49:45 haha ike Aug 23 15:49:46 Dave, did i get that right that there are no updates to be done with opkg once on 2008.8? Aug 23 15:49:47 TOO LATE Aug 23 15:49:58 phrozen, there are, but they are not on buildhost! Aug 23 15:50:02 ah ok Aug 23 15:50:11 2008.8 is not stable yet either Aug 23 15:50:23 I can give you the url if you want though for the 2008.8 packages Aug 23 15:50:25 or ask Zorkman Aug 23 15:50:41 mhm once i finished flashing Aug 23 15:51:51 Okay! Aug 23 15:51:57 Are you flashing 2008.8? :P Aug 23 15:52:07 yes Aug 23 15:52:12 heh, alright :P Aug 23 15:52:27 flashing rootfs atm Aug 23 15:52:50 good Aug 23 15:52:55 so thirteen minutes later you'll be set! Aug 23 15:53:18 i pretty much hope so Aug 23 15:53:37 otherwise the freerunner and a random wall here will have an unpleasant meeting Aug 23 15:53:44 :D Aug 23 15:53:50 Phrozen, I like your style ;) Aug 23 15:54:04 * phrozen77 turns his ass to said wall Aug 23 15:54:16 :P Aug 23 15:55:05 hell, i wanted to have a short nap quite a while ago Aug 23 15:55:15 is there an ewl debian/armel package somewhere? Aug 23 15:55:31 Tanuva: #openmoko-cdevel is used for it at the moment as mentioned in wiki Aug 23 15:55:35 haha pounds! Aug 23 15:56:36 gah, how are you supposed to play this :P Aug 23 15:56:36 haha Aug 23 15:59:55 so Aug 23 15:59:58 flashed it is Aug 23 16:01:02 mhm Aug 23 16:01:14 displaying timestamps when booting suggests it worked Aug 23 16:01:14 armel == armv4? Aug 23 16:02:07 :) Aug 23 16:02:09 jucs? Aug 23 16:02:29 Yes? Aug 23 16:03:13 What are you talking about? Aug 23 16:03:16 Is that a real question? Aug 23 16:03:21 Use your own judgement? :P Aug 23 16:03:39 hm Aug 23 16:03:44 booting takes way longer now Aug 23 16:04:05 also wtf is that with these gay boots?! Aug 23 16:04:11 as in shoes that is Aug 23 16:04:12 hahaha Aug 23 16:04:14 yeah Aug 23 16:04:17 it's a terrible pun :P Aug 23 16:04:21 Tried it, it's true... Aug 23 16:04:26 gett it... BOOT... ing Aug 23 16:04:27 hahahahaha Aug 23 16:04:28 -_- Aug 23 16:04:32 jucs :) Aug 23 16:04:33 hooray Aug 23 16:04:38 Debian's armel binaries are excutable on my freerunner :-D Aug 23 16:04:52 They should be. Aug 23 16:04:57 countermeasure: opkg remove exquisite Aug 23 16:04:57 jucs, find anything good? Aug 23 16:05:03 So how do I tell ipkg to install an armel package, even if it thinks it's the wrong architecture? Aug 23 16:05:22 Wonka, what? Aug 23 16:05:38 uhm Aug 23 16:05:43 Dave: against the gay boots that don't let one read boot messages Aug 23 16:05:45 opkg --perform-sexualfavors? Aug 23 16:05:47 how do i change from letters to numbers when entering the pin? Aug 23 16:05:48 wtf Aug 23 16:05:57 haha Aug 23 16:06:08 who has a letter pin ?! Aug 23 16:06:14 Dave :-D Aug 23 16:06:17 phrozen, /topic please Aug 23 16:06:30 mhm Aug 23 16:06:59 phrozen77: on the right you can change the keyboard type Aug 23 16:07:31 it's the little icon above the right side of your keyboard Aug 23 16:07:33 Wonka, is exquisite supposed to be responsible for slash-write then? Aug 23 16:07:40 root@om-gta02:/usr/share/applications# opkg install http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/daemon/daemon_0.6.3-1_armel.deb Aug 23 16:07:40 Downloading http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/daemon/daemon_0.6.3-1_armel.deb Aug 23 16:07:40 Collected errors: Aug 23 16:07:40 * Packages were found, but none compatible with the architectures configured Aug 23 16:07:43 wtf Aug 23 16:07:45 yes Aug 23 16:07:46 For example... Aug 23 16:07:52 splash-write Aug 23 16:07:54 so force it Aug 23 16:08:05 But it's wrong, it's actually the right arch... so how can I tell him? Aug 23 16:08:13 wonka, I know but how come splash-write is there but I always notice pages of splash-write command not found when booting? o.O Aug 23 16:08:16 it's very odd Aug 23 16:08:22 it seems to be the only "error" though :) Aug 23 16:08:31 and it seems to have always been there and affect nothing Aug 23 16:09:05 Dave: it's a symlink to /bin/busybox, which doesn't find an applet "splash-write" Aug 23 16:09:11 jucs, rename it? or --foce Aug 23 16:09:21 just rename it Aug 23 16:09:27 Dave: remove that symlink and replace it with a shellskript doing »echo "$@"« Aug 23 16:09:27 Wonka: wtf? Aug 23 16:10:02 hahaha I was write! Aug 23 16:10:03 haw Aug 23 16:10:06 Dave: er, too short. /usr/bin/splash-write is a symlink to /bin/echo, which in turn is a symlink to /bin/busybox Aug 23 16:10:13 /usr/bin/splash-write -> /usr/bin/exquisite-write.sh Aug 23 16:10:14 ASSY Aug 23 16:10:16 now it seems to have turned off Aug 23 16:10:18 hmm.... Aug 23 16:10:25 and again unresponsive to the power buttn Aug 23 16:10:28 >_< Aug 23 16:10:33 Dave: ok, it's a symlink to /bin/echo _after_ you uninstall exquisite Aug 23 16:10:33 phrozen, probably went to sleep :) Aug 23 16:10:39 how to wake up Aug 23 16:10:39 Wonka :P Aug 23 16:10:49 phrozen, hold the power button for three seconds or something? Aug 23 16:10:51 * Dave shrugs Aug 23 16:10:53 hope it wakes up Aug 23 16:11:04 also I'd advice disabling that in the meantime Aug 23 16:11:05 doesnt do jack Aug 23 16:11:13 whenever I have my device hooked to power source I disable power management Aug 23 16:11:23 phrozen, can you still access it via ssh? :P Aug 23 16:11:25 or something? Aug 23 16:11:49 echo "arch armel 37" >>/etc/opkg/arch.conf <- This solves the problem^^ Aug 23 16:12:04 Dave, no idea, DIDNT GET THAT FAR Aug 23 16:12:05 :P Aug 23 16:12:07 Wonka, then what? Aug 23 16:12:11 phrozen, evidently :P Aug 23 16:12:25 restart and try again? this time, poke it so it doesn't go to sleep? bwahaha Aug 23 16:12:28 *shrugs* Aug 23 16:12:30 mhm Aug 23 16:12:45 * phrozen77 introduces the FR to the wall, just in case... Aug 23 16:13:17 :) Aug 23 16:17:01 meh Aug 23 16:17:28 why on gods green earth doesnt let me the "set time" dialog ....like....SET ME THE TIME Aug 23 16:17:34 *cough* Aug 23 16:18:12 thats another cigarette Aug 23 16:19:13 phrozen77: change 'Automatic' to 'Off' Aug 23 16:20:11 is there a easier way to close applications than opening the task manager and select 'Remove'?? Aug 23 16:25:19 i take it that setting up wifi from the gui doesnt work? Aug 23 16:27:13 now it turned off again after accidently pressing the power button Aug 23 16:27:15 *sigh* Aug 23 16:27:50 so closing apps with the power button isnt implemented in 2008.8 anymore? Aug 23 16:28:06 huh? Aug 23 16:28:21 I'm not entirely sure wifi works at all yet in 2008.8 :D Aug 23 16:28:28 youre kidding? Aug 23 16:28:36 i just got WiFi working using wpa_supplicant Aug 23 16:28:37 I'd hope so, though, it's been... a while... Aug 23 16:28:40 works great now Aug 23 16:28:55 eliasp, oh okay, nice Aug 23 16:29:05 wonder if lintwifi works on 2008.8 though Aug 23 16:29:48 how do i add a location in the 'Locations' application? Aug 23 16:30:26 I have no idea what the Locations application is. Aug 23 16:31:09 Oh well, I'm going to go play me some Net. Aug 23 16:31:13 hm Aug 23 16:31:23 how do i get into the terminal in 2008.8? Aug 23 16:31:25 * Dave high-fives nuclear_eclipse Aug 23 16:31:35 phrozen77: there is no terminal by default in 2008.8 Aug 23 16:31:41 gahhh Aug 23 16:31:44 haha Aug 23 16:32:01 use USB networking to get on the device using SSH, then 'opkg install openmoko-terminal' Aug 23 16:32:05 I could totally see the documentation saying: by typing openmoko-terminal2 in the terminal Aug 23 16:32:09 :P Aug 23 16:32:10 wtfparadox! Aug 23 16:32:17 USB networking doesn't need to be configured on 2008.8 Aug 23 16:32:25 oh, but does it work now? Aug 23 16:32:27 so you just have to do it on your desktop Aug 23 16:32:33 I remember a week or two ago it was fucking everyone over. Aug 23 16:32:43 i think it worked here only when i booted the phone with USB plugged in Aug 23 16:33:07 ouch, gtg now... get some food + cook it... gf is waiting Aug 23 16:33:10 cu later Aug 23 16:33:24 HRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRG Aug 23 16:33:34 root@phrozen77-laptop:~# ssh root@192.168.2.30 Aug 23 16:33:34 root@192.168.2.30's password: Aug 23 16:33:34 Permission denied, please try again. Aug 23 16:33:34 root@192.168.2.30's password: Aug 23 16:33:34 Permission denied, please try again. Aug 23 16:33:35 root@192.168.2.30's password: Aug 23 16:33:37 Permission denied (publickey,password). Aug 23 16:33:42 * phrozen77 explodes Aug 23 16:34:30 INSTAFAIL Aug 23 16:35:19 bwahahahaha Aug 23 16:35:23 HUMILIATION! Aug 23 16:35:38 how is it 192.168.2.30? Aug 23 16:35:56 SOMEONE SET YOU UP THE ROOTKIT! Aug 23 16:36:09 aybabtu Aug 23 16:37:11 Yes, aybabtu. Aug 23 16:37:28 so Aug 23 16:37:32 what now Aug 23 16:37:37 wall time? :) Aug 23 16:37:41 almost Aug 23 16:37:45 :P Aug 23 16:38:23 also where the hell does it display the status of the battery? Aug 23 16:38:27 *sigh* Aug 23 16:38:31 the tray? Aug 23 16:38:37 no? Aug 23 16:38:39 taskbar? Aug 23 16:38:40 theres the time Aug 23 16:38:41 it SHOULD Aug 23 16:38:47 some small * or something Aug 23 16:38:50 I have no idea, I don't use 2008.8 :P Aug 23 16:38:56 and something that looks like a worm or a flash Aug 23 16:38:58 but I think it should, anyway Aug 23 16:39:00 what do you use? Aug 23 16:39:01 hahaha Aug 23 16:39:06 2007.2, primarily Aug 23 16:39:23 at least it's pretty solid, other than the usual poorly written applications Aug 23 16:39:46 but at this point, I'd be willing to venture a guess and say your password thing has nothing to do with distribution o.O Aug 23 16:40:00 there is no password Aug 23 16:40:08 its just flashed freshly, remember? Aug 23 16:40:57 phrozen77: the FR's IP is usually 192.168.0.202, isn't it? Aug 23 16:41:05 It should be, by default. Aug 23 16:41:10 That's what also raises even more questions. Aug 23 16:41:14 hm Aug 23 16:41:16 retracile! Aug 23 16:41:17 :) Aug 23 16:41:20 Dave! Aug 23 16:41:21 :) Aug 23 16:41:54 root@phrozen77-laptop:~# ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202 Aug 23 16:41:54 root@phrozen77-laptop:~# ssh root@192.168.0.202 Aug 23 16:41:54 The authenticity of host '192.168.0.202 (192.168.0.202)' can't be established. Aug 23 16:41:54 RSA key fingerprint is 14:36:a4:fa:ff:a0:ab:f3:31:4e:0c:d7:70:6d:c4:16. Aug 23 16:41:54 Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes Aug 23 16:41:55 Warning: Permanently added '192.168.0.202' (RSA) to the list of known hosts. Aug 23 16:41:57 root@192.168.0.202's password: Aug 23 16:42:01 Permission denied, please try again. Aug 23 16:42:03 root@192.168.0.202's password: Aug 23 16:42:05 Permission denied, please try again. Aug 23 16:42:07 root@192.168.0.202's password: Aug 23 16:42:09 Permission denied (publickey,password). Aug 23 16:42:10 Any mail app out there for the neo? Aug 23 16:42:10 phrozen77, stop flooding Aug 23 16:42:14 different ip same fail Aug 23 16:42:17 phrozen77: stop this, use a nopaster Aug 23 16:42:24 wtf? Aug 23 16:42:31 cga, stop being italian! Aug 23 16:42:34 :P Aug 23 16:42:35 jucs: there's one by default (Home → Messages) Aug 23 16:42:37 grrrr Aug 23 16:42:42 damn norks Aug 23 16:42:42 hahaha Aug 23 16:42:45 :D:D:D Aug 23 16:43:00 I'm running Debian from flash, and I need a way to lock the screen before it dims. Any suggestions? Aug 23 16:43:03 eliasp: No, that isn't able to use mail at all, only SMS... Aug 23 16:43:03 retracile, any ideas why that might happen? Aug 23 16:43:14 retracile, yeah, that'd be nice :) Aug 23 16:43:20 phrozen, teh hax? Aug 23 16:43:24 jucs: i can configure mail accounts here in the messages app Aug 23 16:43:38 Where did you get that from? Which distro are you using? Aug 23 16:43:40 me too Aug 23 16:43:59 2007.2 and 2008.8 can do it, can't they? Aug 23 16:44:12 jucs: 20080820 Aug 23 16:44:34 phrozen77: what does 'ifconfig usb0' give you on both the FR and on your laptop? Aug 23 16:44:43 Anyone here played openttd on the freerunner? Aug 23 16:44:46 Uhm, I'm using 2007.2 and the message app cant do it... Aug 23 16:44:55 jucs :( Aug 23 16:45:34 Yes Dave? :-( Aug 23 16:46:04 retracile, http://pastebin.ca/1182527 Aug 23 16:46:04 * rooly|away misses his keyboard Aug 23 16:46:12 cant really tell for the FR Aug 23 16:46:21 theres no terminal in 2008.8 Aug 23 16:46:52 phrozen77: your laptop needs to be 192.168.0.200, not .202 Aug 23 16:47:12 anyone have a link to the fso keyboard? Aug 23 16:47:27 retracile, why? Aug 23 16:47:48 phrozen77: Just try it first. Aug 23 16:48:22 phrozen77: IPs have to be unique... with your current config, your ssh attempt was trying to log into your laptop, not the FR. Aug 23 16:48:50 hm Aug 23 16:48:53 that fails too Aug 23 16:49:05 (logging into the laptop, if it really was that what it was trying Aug 23 16:49:12 And running two devices with the same IP on the same network too you are. Aug 23 16:49:54 phrozen77: change the IP of usb0 on your laptop to .200, then try logging into .202 again. Aug 23 16:50:55 phrozen77, most of the time is PEBCAK! Aug 23 16:51:20 yeah, problem exists between cga and keyboard Aug 23 16:51:21 :P Aug 23 16:51:25 exactly Aug 23 16:51:28 LOL Aug 23 16:51:47 I remember having a machine with a greyscale cga screen... Aug 23 16:51:47 waaaha Aug 23 16:51:49 works Aug 23 16:51:50 :) Aug 23 16:51:57 * retracile feigns surprise Aug 23 16:51:57 so what was the name of the terminal app? Aug 23 16:53:08 :D Aug 23 16:53:24 openmoko-terminal or openmoko-terminal2 Aug 23 16:53:39 it should be openmoko-terminal2 Aug 23 16:54:53 Anyone here know how to play openttd? :) Aug 23 16:55:35 Dave: just obtain that file from the cd.... Aug 23 16:56:22 FUCK YES Aug 23 16:56:33 zorkman, no I did, that I meant playing the actual game [ont he freerunenr] Aug 23 16:56:34 :) Aug 23 16:56:37 did you figure out a way to play supertux with TS? Aug 23 16:56:45 In other news, I was able to discover a major bug Aug 23 16:57:02 which one? Aug 23 16:57:02 hey guys Aug 23 16:57:08 hi rooly Aug 23 16:57:08 are there other dictionaries in the repos? Aug 23 16:57:31 no but i think that you could use them with rasters image Aug 23 16:57:33 not sure though Aug 23 16:57:41 root@om-gta02:~# opkg install openmoko-terminal2 Aug 23 16:57:41 Collected errors: Aug 23 16:57:41 * Could not obtain administrative lock Aug 23 16:57:44 uhm? Aug 23 16:57:49 you used the installer Aug 23 16:57:50 didn't you Aug 23 16:57:52 lawl Aug 23 16:57:55 DIDN'T YOU Aug 23 16:57:58 installer!? Aug 23 16:58:11 phrozen77: killall packagekitd Aug 23 16:58:33 killall: packagekitd: no process killed Aug 23 16:58:35 MAJOR bug? Aug 23 16:58:40 phrozen77: killall packagekit Aug 23 16:58:58 Wow. Like not being able to make a phone calls would be just a minur one. ;-P Aug 23 16:58:58 ah no, it should be killall packagekitd... Aug 23 16:59:09 maybe killall -9 packagekitd? Aug 23 16:59:33 Dave: openttd is easy. Just build some tracks. Build a depot. Buy a choochoo and you're ready to go. Aug 23 16:59:52 gaa Aug 23 16:59:53 Zorkman: dont SIGKILL unless you really have to. Aug 23 16:59:55 root@om-gta02:~# opkg install openmoko-terminal2 Aug 23 16:59:55 An error ocurred, return value: 2. Aug 23 17:00:25 where is the dictionary so that i may add to it Aug 23 17:00:54 ike: why not? (just asking, I know nothing about it... although chox mentionned zombie processes in a while back..) Aug 23 17:01:19 ike, how do I build things? Aug 23 17:01:32 More importantly, How can you SEE anything!? Aug 23 17:01:35 Hammer and nails? Aug 23 17:02:44 so whats wrong with opkg now? Aug 23 17:02:49 ike, Zorkman, Dave ? Aug 23 17:02:50 o_O Aug 23 17:02:53 O_o Aug 23 17:02:59 grr Aug 23 17:03:05 now its back at the lock again Aug 23 17:03:10 Who here likes doughnuts? :D Aug 23 17:03:13 Phrozen, lock? Aug 23 17:03:14 Zorkman: because if you're killing an application with -9 you're not giving it a chance to clean up things. Aug 23 17:03:25 how do i close open apps on the fr? Aug 23 17:03:25 so in turn, it takes a dump on you :P Aug 23 17:03:35 Zorkman: it's better try to kill an app with "regular" kill. And it doesn't want to die - kill -9. Aug 23 17:03:36 the close apps menu? :P Aug 23 17:03:46 ike, instruct me how to play, please. Aug 23 17:03:57 Dave: as I have already written. It's hardly playable on a Freerunner. Aug 23 17:04:00 Dave: but. Aug 23 17:04:07 Dave: say "please" just one more time ;P Aug 23 17:04:07 Furthermore, it's highly cumbersome, is there some way we can make it bigger? how do I move around the screen/area without a keyboard? Aug 23 17:04:08 anyway. Aug 23 17:04:10 heh Aug 23 17:04:20 ah Aug 23 17:04:23 now i got it Aug 23 17:04:24 You have a toolbar at the top of the window. Aug 23 17:04:26 open app Aug 23 17:04:28 toolbar Aug 23 17:04:28 remove Aug 23 17:04:29 Yeah I noticed that Aug 23 17:04:30 kkkkkk Aug 23 17:04:39 hm Aug 23 17:04:45 still "couldnt get administrative lock" Aug 23 17:04:48 has anyone gotten freeciv to run? :p Aug 23 17:04:53 Dave: you can choose what you want to build. You can invest in trains, buses, ships and planes. Aug 23 17:05:04 What about women? Aug 23 17:05:07 or is that a bad investment? ;p Aug 23 17:05:11 Anyway. Aug 23 17:05:13 they usually are Aug 23 17:05:15 Dave: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page Aug 23 17:05:16 :D Aug 23 17:05:20 :P Aug 23 17:05:22 gee, thanks Aug 23 17:05:25 ;-)) Aug 23 17:05:30 I wasn't sure if there was a way to make it bigger Aug 23 17:05:34 (other than the in game zoom) Aug 23 17:05:36 there Aug 23 17:05:40 or some bastardized video mode Aug 23 17:05:41 *cough* couldnt get administrative lock *cough* Aug 23 17:05:46 how can i get rid of it? Aug 23 17:05:48 Dave: don't think so. Aug 23 17:05:48 meh Aug 23 17:05:49 In other news, I found another bug. Aug 23 17:05:50 instead of installing a new keyboard, i've added words to the dictionary Aug 23 17:05:54 On to cjb and andy I go Aug 23 17:06:04 Another major one? Aug 23 17:06:10 anyhoo, enjoy your administrative locks, or lack thereof, phrozen. Aug 23 17:06:13 what was the first major one Dave?N Aug 23 17:06:18 FU Aug 23 17:06:19 :) Aug 23 17:06:21 ike, if you count the xserver-glamo one major, then yes :) Aug 23 17:06:39 phrozen77: try the killall, and otherwise just reboot and first do your opkg stuff, BEFORE you open the installer app Aug 23 17:06:58 If it makes Freerunner a brick then I believe it's a major. Aug 23 17:07:30 ike: nothing bricks uboot, we can always play the "select boot option" game from NOR :) Aug 23 17:07:41 *bricks the FR Aug 23 17:08:01 You can brick it with a debug goard afair. Aug 23 17:08:09 However you're able to unbrick it as wll. Aug 23 17:08:15 New CSI, the murder weapon is a Freerunner! Aug 23 17:08:21 talk about product placement :P Aug 23 17:08:24 CSI? Oh my. Aug 23 17:08:35 That reminds me only one thing. Aug 23 17:08:52 VisualBasic IP tracking interface! Aug 23 17:09:03 http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni_rAamVP2s Aug 23 17:09:04 kinky Aug 23 17:09:22 That blowed my mind. Aug 23 17:09:22 You mean the freernner saves the day, it contains the important piece of information about solving the murder. And that info is just there because of the open sourceness. Aug 23 17:09:24 ;-) Aug 23 17:09:37 You should search youtube from CSI: UK. (-= Aug 23 17:09:55 I know that CSI is super-stupid, but that piece was just hilarious. Aug 23 17:10:31 I would search for it, but I don't have the plug-in. Aug 23 17:11:54 johngay: CSI: UK? Aug 23 17:12:38 It's a spoof clip on youtube from a british comedy show. Search youtube and you should find it. Aug 23 17:13:12 ;-) Aug 23 17:13:46 And they showed that on regular broadcast T.V. over there (-= Aug 23 17:14:01 root@om-gta02:~# opkg install openmoko-terminal2 Aug 23 17:14:01 An error ocurred, return value: 2. Aug 23 17:14:02 .( Aug 23 17:14:39 phrozen, what are you using? 2008.8? or an image from dailybuildhost (e.g. 2008.08.20) ? Aug 23 17:15:42 hm Aug 23 17:15:47 networking itself works from the fr Aug 23 17:15:50 dns doesnt Aug 23 17:15:50 seriously Aug 23 17:15:52 wtf Aug 23 17:15:54 * rooly|away sighs Aug 23 17:15:58 Zorkman, 2008.8 Aug 23 17:16:12 i can't even append the dictionary? Aug 23 17:16:32 phrozen77: did you do an opkg update? Aug 23 17:17:49 hm Aug 23 17:17:55 a lot of messages, each "failed" Aug 23 17:17:56 phrozen77: just wget http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/openmoko-terminal2_3.0.0+svnr4039-r1.02_armv4t.ipk Aug 23 17:17:59 and then install it Aug 23 17:18:07 uhm but i want it to work Aug 23 17:18:13 so workarounds need not apply Aug 23 17:18:14 :) Aug 23 17:18:23 so guys, does the framerate have any affect on battery life? Aug 23 17:18:32 yeah Aug 23 17:18:35 also it really seems dns doesnt work Aug 23 17:18:41 it keeps it as low as it was :p Aug 23 17:18:42 it cant resolve hosts Aug 23 17:18:47 grrrr Aug 23 17:18:53 you could have told us that before phrozen77 Aug 23 17:18:58 ... Aug 23 17:19:00 you need to edit your resolv.conf file Aug 23 17:19:01 woulda helped Aug 23 17:19:22 * rooly|away just found out he's been using a step needlessly for weeks now Aug 23 17:19:23 phrozen77: look at the usb networking section on the wiki Aug 23 17:19:34 no need por la wifi do mi Aug 23 17:19:38 retracile: i'm afraid to say that you probably want to edit zhone source code. don't be afraid, it's python Aug 23 17:20:10 ty Zorkman Aug 23 17:20:11 works Aug 23 17:20:31 Signature check failed <- will that affect anything? Aug 23 17:20:58 Nope. Aug 23 17:21:20 "it's known bug". Aug 23 17:21:40 thanks ike Aug 23 17:21:41 phrozen77: no Aug 23 17:21:49 phrozen77: signatures are not yet used Aug 23 17:21:56 hi. is there an SVG file of the freerunner front-view that can be used as an icon? Aug 23 17:22:55 * rooly|away thinks to himself: "you could make one..." Aug 23 17:22:55 GOD! I want my FreeRunner now!!! Aug 23 17:24:06 Well, I do have the schematics, and my soldering skills aren't too bad. Maybe I will rooly|away (-= Aug 23 17:24:38 * rooly|away is annoyed Aug 23 17:24:49 the stupid predictive text wont let my type what i want Aug 23 17:25:15 rooly|away: stop trying to use swear words then Aug 23 17:26:42 on ML a while ago someone did an icon set for use in gnome etc., but now I can't find the link Aug 23 17:26:44 i can't even seem to add "rooly" to it Aug 23 17:28:43 You're unruly, that's why! Aug 23 17:28:57 goose Aug 23 17:30:06 root@om-gta02:~# opkg install openmoko-terminal2 Aug 23 17:30:07 An error ocurred, return value: 2. Aug 23 17:30:10 grr Aug 23 17:30:11 still Aug 23 17:31:50 is there some way to figure out what errors? Aug 23 17:33:46 2 means the package couldn't be found Aug 23 17:34:10 LOOKING!!! for someone to sell my a freerunner! Aug 23 17:34:18 me* Aug 23 17:34:20 koolu? Aug 23 17:34:51 root@om-gta02:~# opkg install illume-config Aug 23 17:34:52 An error ocurred, return value: 2. Aug 23 17:34:58 rooly|away, dont think so^^ Aug 23 17:35:00 And they charge Canadian dollars. Aug 23 17:35:21 i believe so, phrozen77 Aug 23 17:35:36 it does that for every package i tried so far Aug 23 17:35:49 ike, Zorkman, Dave - to the rescue! Aug 23 17:35:49 :) Aug 23 17:35:52 I was hoing used aroung the 200 bone mark Aug 23 17:36:00 hoping* Aug 23 17:36:14 guilt might be happy to oblige Aug 23 17:36:20 Don't ho' around here. Aug 23 17:38:07 phrozen77: have you run 'opkg update' yet? Aug 23 17:38:20 i'm sure he has Aug 23 17:38:22 yes Aug 23 17:38:23 <__20h__> Good evening. Aug 23 17:38:31 Does anyone know how the screen dimming is triggered? Aug 23 17:38:35 phrozen77, do you just .sig errors, or .sig and .gz errors Aug 23 17:38:36 johncylee: hoing "Its a good thing!" Aug 23 17:38:43 sig i believe Aug 23 17:38:44 lemme look Aug 23 17:39:01 hm Aug 23 17:39:04 looks like both Aug 23 17:39:09 tha's the problem Aug 23 17:39:12 phrozen77: did it succeed? Aug 23 17:39:14 the gz is your actualy repo Aug 23 17:39:23 meh Aug 23 17:39:29 fwiw, dns still doesnt work it seems Aug 23 17:39:35 and that would be why Aug 23 17:40:41 lindi- Hm. I don't think that will help me when I have an xterm active instead of zhone. Or is there another piece I'm missing? Aug 23 17:40:53 retracile: ? Aug 23 17:41:16 very well, I will draw one... http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/files/freerunner.svg Aug 23 17:41:17 retracile: zhone does send commands to dim the screen Aug 23 17:41:26 ok, now it really works Aug 23 17:41:42 you missed a spot. OJW Aug 23 17:41:57 is there a call history somewhere? Aug 23 17:42:10 2008.8? Aug 23 17:42:13 yup Aug 23 17:42:13 lindi-: Ah, ok. Hm... Aug 23 17:42:25 dialer->phone-symbol with arrows Aug 23 17:43:46 a spot? Aug 23 17:43:59 's a joke oj Aug 23 17:49:36 hm Aug 23 17:49:46 where is openmoko-terminal2 supposed to show up once installed Aug 23 17:50:02 oh wait Aug 23 18:06:37 is there a page somewhere where interesting packages are described? Aug 23 18:09:21 phrozen77: well... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications ? Aug 23 18:09:29 But there is not much. Aug 23 18:09:48 lindi-: Ah... dbus.Interface has a .SetBrightness for the "org.freesmartphone.Device.Display", and there's a lock_on_idle event handler. If I could add to lock_on_idle to hide the matchbox keyboard and raise itself to the top of the wm's stack, that might be close enough for what I need... Aug 23 18:11:54 wow Aug 23 18:12:06 tar is picky about the order in which options are supplied Aug 23 18:12:19 tar xfj doesnt work Aug 23 18:12:23 tar xjf does Aug 23 18:12:33 "f" is not an option Aug 23 18:12:39 "f $file" is an option Aug 23 18:12:48 true. Aug 23 18:12:49 ;-) Aug 23 18:14:06 phrozen77: The -f option takes an argument. Aug 23 18:14:30 i supplied it Aug 23 18:14:40 though if you put f in the middle it wont work Aug 23 18:14:49 never occured that with gnu tar Aug 23 18:15:16 phrozen, that's how it's always worked. Aug 23 18:15:23 LIES! Aug 23 18:15:24 :) Aug 23 18:15:27 :P Aug 23 18:16:50 guys Aug 23 18:16:55 is the testing branch any good? Aug 23 18:17:09 is there a way to arrange the icons on th emain screen? Aug 23 18:17:27 change they're names... Aug 23 18:17:54 oh Aug 23 18:18:03 didnt notice theyre alphabetically arranged Aug 23 18:18:34 Is there a way to make Om2008.08's sudoku harder? Aug 23 18:18:49 I'm on the edge to use Om2007.02 again. Aug 23 18:19:14 you've beaten the beginner, medium, and hard, ike? Aug 23 18:19:54 oh wait Aug 23 18:19:59 i confused it for the old one too Aug 23 18:20:00 There is "medium" and "hard" ? Aug 23 18:20:20 nope Aug 23 18:20:27 like i said, i confused it for the old one Aug 23 18:20:43 Are there any games for Om2008.08? Aug 23 18:21:03 snake, sudoku Aug 23 18:21:07 mines Aug 23 18:21:34 nyu: how do i make wesnoth 640x480? Aug 23 18:21:59 nyu: with -r 640x480 it says "setting mode to 800x600x16" Aug 23 18:22:25 try 480x640 Aug 23 18:22:30 unless you're rotating the screen Aug 23 18:22:50 hm Aug 23 18:22:56 mtpaint fails to show up once installed Aug 23 18:23:27 it may not have a desktop file Aug 23 18:23:50 try "ls /usr/share/applications/" Aug 23 18:24:17 ike: I like the fact you choose firmware by sudoku level of difficulty! :) Aug 23 18:24:35 ;-)) Aug 23 18:25:00 how does that game geerate "levels" really? Is it just board size? Aug 23 18:25:11 it leaves out more # Aug 23 18:25:14 afaik Aug 23 18:25:18 widrone: well. a phone isn't a phone when a) it isn't able to make a phonecall, b) doesn't have any decent games. Aug 23 18:25:21 not that im an expert with it Aug 23 18:28:17 so its a linux kernel running on arm with a gpsd, but I get your point. Thinking back over the phones I had, I think I can categorize them by the games they played yes. Aug 23 18:29:26 cardgames are allways good, i dont like the realtime stuff alot. Need to be able to put it away at anytime, but I guess sudokus are a killer app =P Aug 23 18:31:20 really some online poker app would blow people away, but that is so not my thing. Snake and asteroids would be fun, but like I said about the realtime thing. Aug 23 18:35:07 online chess.... Aug 23 18:35:37 or chess-through-mail :) that is something you can put aside for some time wirdrone :) Aug 23 18:36:00 hm Aug 23 18:36:09 Whats the name of that irc app? Aug 23 18:36:16 seems like my moko doesnt like to register with gsm anymore Aug 23 18:36:17 pidgin can use irc Aug 23 18:36:25 ike: 250 lines of python sudoku generator/solver, outputs in pdf/ps/txt/html. Commandline and cgi use only, but could be used for someting? http://davidbau.com/downloads/sudoku.py (not moko tied in any way) Aug 23 18:36:59 Zorkman, is there a ipk package for pidgin? Aug 23 18:37:05 yes Aug 23 18:37:11 in Scaredycats repo Aug 23 18:37:12 yes there is, it's in the rabenfrost.celtune feeds Aug 23 18:37:25 How do I add Scaredycats repo? Aug 23 18:37:37 or where do I find it :P Aug 23 18:38:21 Ah found it on the wiki, thx Aug 23 18:39:06 spydon: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Users_Repositories <- list Aug 23 18:39:21 widrone: apt-get solves sudoku's already, why reinvent the wheel? ;) Aug 23 18:39:29 s/'// Aug 23 18:39:30 lindi- meant: widrone: apt-get solves sudokus already, why reinvent the wheel? ;) Aug 23 18:39:37 spydon: Good place to start with pidgin is http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/FAQ Aug 23 18:39:56 widrone, thx Aug 23 18:40:15 hm Aug 23 18:40:30 Zorkman, an idea why the fr wont register with gsm anymore on startup? Aug 23 18:40:32 lindi-: Good point, wheel works. I have no idea how to set any difficulty in sudokus either so that script may make easy ones. Aug 23 18:40:45 phrozen77: there is a bugreport on that one Aug 23 18:41:46 wheres the bugtracker? Aug 23 18:42:03 phrozen77: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ Aug 23 18:42:20 my kernel has panic , how can i reboot device ( power button does not work ) Aug 23 18:42:31 eject battery Aug 23 18:42:54 Uhm, depending on where the but is. Im guessing there is more then one trac looking over the codebase really. Aug 23 18:43:10 s/but/bug Aug 23 18:43:27 hm Aug 23 18:43:35 how can i restart the gsm thingy? Aug 23 18:43:40 so it might register again? Aug 23 18:43:41 ieatlint: is it normal that i never see a connect/disconnect button on lint-wifi? Aug 23 18:43:44 lindi-: are you trying to run Battle for Wesnoth on FR? Aug 23 18:44:06 xeros: it runs on x86 as nyu but displays on fr Aug 23 18:44:44 maybe it could work recompiled for fr (?) Aug 23 18:44:56 xeros: why recompile? Aug 23 18:44:57 phrozen77: Had a look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd ? Aug 23 18:45:15 I mean't compile ;-) Aug 23 18:45:18 lindi-, xeros: I don't know this game, but I'm interested in every game for the FR :) Aug 23 18:45:21 xeros: why compile? ;) Aug 23 18:45:27 I do save some custom kernel cmd under Uboot with setenv and savenv , but they are not not available in next reboot Aug 23 18:45:45 xeros: i mean, debian buildd has already compiled it Aug 23 18:46:16 Zoup: did you save yor changes? Aug 23 18:46:18 how can i disable that automatic type guessing crap? Aug 23 18:46:20 lindi-: and why not? it would be great to have it without need of x86 pc with fr Aug 23 18:46:20 Zoup: saveenv Aug 23 18:46:27 phrozen77: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM may be of more use to you really Aug 23 18:46:30 xeros: but it has already been compiled Aug 23 18:46:42 lindi-: is there an ipk available? Aug 23 18:46:49 Zorkman: no idea Aug 23 18:46:55 Zorkman: i use debian :) Aug 23 18:47:20 Zorkman: yes, strange Aug 23 18:47:24 lindo-: oh, that's great - do you have debian on fr to try? (I don't have FR yet - I'm waiting for it's arrive) Aug 23 18:47:42 xeros: i use debian on my fr yes Aug 23 18:47:50 * retracile does too Aug 23 18:48:02 xeros: There lives an install guide on the debian wiki, its nice and cozy ;) Aug 23 18:48:15 widrone: well. it's fine, however my gf doesn't like it ;-) Aug 23 18:48:42 how can i disable that automatic type guessing crap? Aug 23 18:48:51 hi Aug 23 18:48:53 phrozen77: have you looked at the code? Aug 23 18:49:25 it would be great if some good pc games could work on fr :-) Aug 23 18:50:15 where can i find information about the output sound quality for the headphones Aug 23 18:50:20 ? Aug 23 18:50:48 any comparable product also using the wolfson codec? Aug 23 18:50:53 lindi-, no Aug 23 18:51:53 :) Aug 23 18:52:10 meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer Aug 23 18:52:26 phrozen77: do you know python or C? Aug 23 18:52:45 gcc: 0.45": No such file or directory... mokomakefile doesn't work ^^' Aug 23 18:53:14 python is highly similar to c or cpp Aug 23 18:53:17 Well. This unofficial repos suck! Sometimes I don't file a bug because I don't know if it's in official or not. I wish there was something similar to Debian's reportbug so all internal guts are added to the bugreport automagically. Aug 23 18:53:19 aside from the {} and ; Aug 23 18:54:33 has anybody experiences with high end headphones and the freerunner? Aug 23 18:54:38 how is the sound quality? Aug 23 18:54:46 i have some 40$ ones Aug 23 18:54:48 lemme go test Aug 23 18:56:54 in french: x, egrep, z Aug 23 18:58:14 weiles, in 2008.8, rather better Aug 23 18:58:17 ike: exactly my thoughts Aug 23 18:58:29 rooly|away: better than what? Aug 23 18:58:47 than the included headphones in the box, combined with 2007.2 Aug 23 18:58:48 is it comparable to sony? or to an ipod? Aug 23 18:58:55 dunno Aug 23 18:58:57 don't own either Aug 23 18:59:12 i only get useful long-lasting gadgets Aug 23 18:59:19 lindi: because we're Debian people. Aug 23 18:59:20 nothing designed to brak Aug 23 18:59:21 *break Aug 23 18:59:31 rooly|away: well it would be great to have good sound quality by default Aug 23 18:59:36 for a long lasted gadget ;-) Aug 23 18:59:44 no arguments there Aug 23 18:59:46 s/lasted/lasting Aug 23 18:59:48 i'm running an upgrae Aug 23 18:59:49 ike: btw, i reported a bug on reportbug last week :) Aug 23 19:00:01 so gimme a few before i actually give you a solid yes or no on the quality Aug 23 19:00:02 isn't that irony? :-) Aug 23 19:00:12 I mean ironic. Aug 23 19:00:18 i don't have email setup on fr so i use "reportbug -o report.txt ..." Aug 23 19:00:25 ike: but it still says it's going to send email Aug 23 19:00:27 ... Aug 23 19:00:43 * rooly|away has a great idea Aug 23 19:00:51 ike: but it saves it correctly to file anyway, the messages is just wrong Aug 23 19:00:51 setup my email on my pc over ssh Aug 23 19:00:57 for the fr Aug 23 19:00:58 i have changed /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios , where can i find default files ? :)) Aug 23 19:01:32 rooly|away: and how is your experience with the 40 $ ones? is the sound good? Aug 23 19:01:43 well, for the 2 seconds i heard sound just now, yeah Aug 23 19:01:50 however, like i said, i'm upgrading Aug 23 19:01:53 rooly|away: I think bass should be too low (standard) Aug 23 19:02:01 something wrong with the impedance Aug 23 19:02:12 there is somewhere instructions at how to boost it (alsamixer) Aug 23 19:02:49 anyone gotten googlemaps to work with tangoGPS? the url on the tangogps site doesn't work Aug 23 19:03:08 hmm Aug 23 19:04:02 unless i'm getting a little bit extra from the fr's speaker being on at the same time, it sounds fine Aug 23 19:04:31 Zorkman: ist the same chip integrated in some other audio device? Aug 23 19:04:49 I don't know weiles Aug 23 19:04:52 rooly|away: Can be fixed to an semi-acceptable level (if not high fidelity most probably) by adjusting "Bass Volume" to full (15) and "Bass Filter" to "100Hz @ 8kHz" (bass will be boosted <= 600Hz when playing back at 48kHz) or "200Hz @ 8kHz" (<= 1200Hz @ 48kHz). The default is 130Hz @ 48kHz and does not help much with the more wider scope of low frequencies. Aug 23 19:04:57 (from the wiki) Aug 23 19:05:29 it's sounding plenty fine to me Aug 23 19:05:37 probably not as good as say, an ipod Aug 23 19:05:41 it is kind of must have as i would not by an mp3 player but a freerunner instead Aug 23 19:05:44 glad to hear that Aug 23 19:05:58 as the cowon d2 for example costs 130 € here Aug 23 19:05:58 i'm using: Aug 23 19:06:17 2008.8, openmoko-mediaplayer, and logitech headphones Aug 23 19:06:18 weiles: I only have the cheapo FR headphones and I haven't really tested the sound, but it sure is acceptable at least Aug 23 19:06:51 hmmm Aug 23 19:07:35 hasn't anybody thought of this issue as an ipod killer necessarity ;-) Aug 23 19:07:41 ? Aug 23 19:08:04 bah, I don't care about ipod/iphone/iraddishrosewhatsemawhoseits killer Aug 23 19:08:08 just want a kick-ass device :) Aug 23 19:08:13 * rooly|away agrees Aug 23 19:08:31 apple users can go rot in their money wasting hole for all i care Aug 23 19:08:46 Zorkman: but high end audio is kick-ass Aug 23 19:08:48 I get +/-6hrs mp3 playback with the speakers (no headphones, just the speakers) Aug 23 19:08:49 :-P Aug 23 19:09:01 Apple sucks. Aug 23 19:09:03 * rooly|away may have bricked his phone... Aug 23 19:09:12 Much worse than MS could ever do... Aug 23 19:09:13 uh oh Aug 23 19:09:19 weiles: yes, it is; but i wouldn't want it to kick the ass of an iphone, I'm just interested in kickin generic asses all over the world Aug 23 19:09:21 beautiful white screen Aug 23 19:09:29 :D Aug 23 19:09:32 :D Aug 23 19:09:36 I never had a WSoD Aug 23 19:09:39 sure me too Aug 23 19:09:40 WSOD Aug 23 19:09:43 but i've been using 2007.2 Aug 23 19:09:44 WSOD :-D :-D Aug 23 19:09:57 i just want to have high quality sound output and a kicking-ass phone Aug 23 19:09:59 hehe, just after jucs mentionned MS :) Aug 23 19:10:08 i...uh...changed the package repos to testing Aug 23 19:10:10 weiles: don't forget gaming device ;-) Aug 23 19:10:11 ... Aug 23 19:10:27 well yes + gps Aug 23 19:10:38 * Tanuva wants documentation für python-mpd >.< Aug 23 19:10:39 and while you're at it weiles: write a new firmware for the wifi so we can aircrack :) Aug 23 19:10:44 is there somewhere you can test the device? Aug 23 19:10:59 Zorkman: no prob ;-) Aug 23 19:11:08 lindi-: oh. so no usable resolution? Aug 23 19:11:10 ask someone in your neighbourhood? Aug 23 19:11:19 :-P Aug 23 19:11:29 Zorkman: no openmoko here... Aug 23 19:11:31 Someone tried to install windows mobile on the freerunner? *evil* Aug 23 19:11:32 go to #neo1973-germany there are a lot of germans with a FR Aug 23 19:11:43 great thx Aug 23 19:11:45 jucs: there's talk about Win CE on the mailinlist Aug 23 19:11:54 damnit Aug 23 19:11:58 i want the fso keyboard Aug 23 19:12:06 what happened to it Aug 23 19:12:16 Zorkman: Really? Funny... Aug 23 19:12:23 jup Aug 23 19:12:57 * Zorkman just hooked up his new fon router Aug 23 19:13:36 root@om-gta02:~# uptime Aug 23 19:13:36 20:13:21 up 9:59, 3 users, load average: 0.54, 0.65, 0.82 Aug 23 19:13:49 My freerunner didn't crash for almost 10 hours :-D Unbelievable... Aug 23 19:13:59 jucs: yay for u Aug 23 19:16:56 My FR doesn't even stay up for 10 hours. Aug 23 19:17:37 alephnull: 1 hour is already a great score I think :-P Aug 23 19:18:52 But it's only the kernel that is long-living at the moment, I had to restart matchbox at leat 20 times to day.... Aug 23 19:20:14 * rooly|away sighs Aug 23 19:20:17 wsod Aug 23 19:20:20 ... Aug 23 19:20:23 and the phone still "works" Aug 23 19:20:35 just can't do anything with it Aug 23 19:20:42 You mean I can't just carry this phone around for days at a time and use it as an ordinary phone??? I want to cancel my order! Aug 23 19:21:23 no Aug 23 19:21:26 but you could use it asa router Aug 23 19:21:37 johngay: yeah you can, you might have to charge it more often than other phones in between those days is the only thing Aug 23 19:22:04 johngay: You definitly can't at the moment. Aug 23 19:22:34 huh? Aug 23 19:22:38 * doc|home is using his phone Aug 23 19:23:00 johngay: I'm using my Nokia for calls since I didn't get the call functions to work stable enough.... Aug 23 19:23:06 idlenotifier.py references a controller.config in its 'factory()' function. I presume there's a config file somewhere that it's reading? Aug 23 19:23:06 i think he's actually being sarcastic Aug 23 19:23:13 I cant save anything with saveenv , it all will undo after reboot Aug 23 19:24:02 johngay: But it's still fun and it'll get better every day ;-) Aug 23 19:24:49 Actually, rooly|away, I think the term is facisious, but I can't spell for shite (-= Aug 23 19:25:00 ahh, right Aug 23 19:25:05 Ah, looks like /etc/frameworkd.conf Aug 23 19:25:31 * rooly|away recognized the sarcasm/poopoosciousness, and responded accordingly Aug 23 19:25:40 Also, just wanted to see who I could hook (-= Aug 23 19:27:00 shiite too Aug 23 19:27:09 right after i finished the "upgrade" my mom tries to call Aug 23 19:28:49 Zoup: you sure you are editing NAND u-boot, and not NOT u-boot? Aug 23 19:29:30 googlemaps and tangogps anyone? Aug 23 19:30:10 Actually, I'm quite looking forward to porting http://archive.gp2x.de/cgi-bin/cfiles.cgi?0,0,0,0,25,2107 to my FreeRunner when I get it. (-= Aug 23 19:30:12 Zorkman: Evil. Aug 23 19:30:27 jucs? Aug 23 19:30:31 Sure? Aug 23 19:30:48 what did you mean by evil? (google=evil?) Aug 23 19:31:08 dont be evil Aug 23 19:31:09 Using Google Maps :-P Just because you're not allowed, but I wasn't really serious.. Aug 23 19:31:27 google may be evil, but they promise to do no evil (-= Aug 23 19:31:37 :-D Aug 23 19:31:42 the keyboard of the ASU is not that bad. In fact, I think it works well: it's possible to type words with fingers, and it's guessing fine. Too bad you can't backspace, type numbers or special characters, press enter, and it's sometimes difficult to find the word you want in the list Aug 23 19:31:42 "However, Google maps are copyrighted and probably apart from academic/fair use this may simply not be legal " Aug 23 19:31:47 isn't it "fair use" ? Aug 23 19:32:03 tuXXX: you can backspace Aug 23 19:32:08 Well, no more than they need to do, anyway. Aug 23 19:32:16 Zorkman: how? Aug 23 19:32:24 tuXXX: read the topic of this channel :P Aug 23 19:33:00 ah, sorry it's not explicitly in the topic, only how to tye numbers: Aug 23 19:33:05 Zorkman: how can i know that ? i hold Aux when powering up Aug 23 19:33:06 slide from right to left for backspace Aug 23 19:33:22 tuXXX: Too bad I can't type ANY WORD it doesn't know before -.- Aug 23 19:33:28 Zorkman: oh yes Aug 23 19:33:30 Zoup: it says so in the boot menu :) Aug 23 19:33:40 I do not want any guessing, I just want to see exactly what I type... Aug 23 19:33:42 Zoup: first hold power, then press auw (while still holding power) Aug 23 19:33:59 How's character recognition coming? I'd love to see a graphiti-like option. I fell in love with Graphiti from Palm. Now I hear Xerox has layed claim to it. Aug 23 19:34:09 jucs: there are instruction on how to disable the predicitive keyboard and get a full qwerty keyboard on the wiki Aug 23 19:34:19 i just want a decent dictionary that lets me type the words i want to Aug 23 19:34:24 like "mom" Aug 23 19:34:27 The one from Qtopia? Aug 23 19:34:50 I don't know which one Qtopia currently uses, but i'm quite sure it isn't a full qwerty one Aug 23 19:35:01 Zorkman Aug 23 19:35:03 Zorkman: i did hold power and pressed aux , it says U-Boot ... Aug 23 19:35:04 yes Dave? Aug 23 19:35:04 I mean, the keyboard is quite nice, because you can use your fingers.... if it only had an option to turn off the guessing -.- Aug 23 19:35:15 with* Aug 23 19:35:23 jucs: i can use the full querty also with my fingers Aug 23 19:35:26 Give me more to work with please :) Aug 23 19:35:37 Dave: I have the exact same feeling.... Aug 23 19:35:42 o.O Are you human oder a... mouse? Aug 23 19:35:44 jucs: hold down a letter Aug 23 19:35:46 where are all the cool apps and games... Aug 23 19:35:46 Is there anyway to run scummvm in a window? :| Aug 23 19:36:07 jucs: my fingers are probably bigger than yours :) Aug 23 19:36:11 My finger is as big as half of the querty keyboard :-D Aug 23 19:36:12 oh hot Aug 23 19:36:13 -F Aug 23 19:36:20 Zorkman, have you tried that!? :O Aug 23 19:36:31 Zorkman: its possible to connecct minicom in this mode , and i can actually set values , but it all temporary Aug 23 19:36:55 Zoup: I can't help you any further...sorry... Aug 23 19:37:38 how do I set om2008.8 to horizontal mode? Aug 23 19:37:52 Hold AUX? Aug 23 19:38:19 spydon: xrandr -o 1 Aug 23 19:38:25 Zorkman, ty Aug 23 19:38:45 jucs: first press power and hold, then press aux and hold both Aug 23 19:39:00 but really, it should say on the screen if you are in NAND or in NOR Aug 23 19:40:00 fucky Aug 23 19:40:08 ? Aug 23 19:40:11 no window mode? Aug 23 19:40:34 hi all Aug 23 19:40:40 llo Aug 23 19:40:44 I'm new to this room Aug 23 19:41:12 welcome in that case, don't forget to whipe your feet Aug 23 19:41:47 hi in open moko ->how history is being handled? Aug 23 19:42:32 what do you mean by "history"? Aug 23 19:43:14 Zorkman: if i saveenv , then reboot and do minicom again , variables are set , but if i let device boot and restart , they are all gone :I Aug 23 19:44:02 if user is typing smsthen suddenly incoming callhas come Aug 23 19:44:49 sorry newbieguyforlinu; that hasn't happend to me yet.. maybe someone else can answer that one (but I do not think that feature is already implemented) Aug 23 19:45:46 tangogps does crash alot :( Aug 23 19:46:00 henkie: that never happend to me Aug 23 19:46:06 same here Aug 23 19:46:11 henkie: on 2007.2 it is rock solid Aug 23 19:46:12 never crashes for me Aug 23 19:46:21 gpsd crashed sometimes Aug 23 19:46:28 on ASU/2008.8 I haven't used it much, but it never crashed Aug 23 19:46:30 but not tangogps Aug 23 19:46:57 hmm, about every 5 mins or so Aug 23 19:47:06 sometimes it works >1 hour Aug 23 19:47:12 hey, anyone remember the gtk theme's package for 2007.2? Aug 23 19:47:21 mediaplayer does not load right gsmheadset.state when headset is inserted , any idea ? Aug 23 19:47:25 anybody else has the problem that the altitude from GPS is VERY inaccurate? somedays it says 24m, somedays 40m, right now 11m Aug 23 19:47:57 Zorkman, sometimes i shift 30 ft in 10 seconds Aug 23 19:48:01 and now it's 30m :) Aug 23 19:48:03 it is very innacurate Aug 23 19:48:13 * Zorkman is on a rollercoaster Aug 23 19:48:30 rooly|away: is that because of the GPS chip or because of the software? (i presume the first :() Aug 23 19:48:47 i couldn't tell ya Aug 23 19:48:59 but i think the chip rather than the software Aug 23 19:49:07 Is there any patch or something that fixes the horizontal mode? Aug 23 19:49:10 how many sats do you have? Aug 23 19:49:22 usually 10/12 Aug 23 19:50:07 atm i have 3, but i am inside, with lots o concreet :) Aug 23 19:50:25 but the height does indeed vary Aug 23 19:51:48 but i am the only one with a crashing tango? :( (using 2008.8) Aug 23 19:52:38 henkie: mine does too Aug 23 19:54:31 there are 2 versions available in the repos. I assume it has installed the latest? Aug 23 19:56:26 possibly henkie Aug 23 19:56:40 are you using any user-repo's? Aug 23 19:56:52 like scaredy cat or zenke (iirc) Aug 23 19:57:15 no, but i see i have the latest (0.9.2-r1) Aug 23 19:57:37 try installing it straight from the site Aug 23 19:58:03 (opkg install -force-reinstall Aug 23 19:58:06 ) Aug 23 19:58:36 out of curiosity has the openmoko community pretty much decided to take openmoko in the direction of SHR? Aug 23 19:58:52 * rooly|away woudln't know Aug 23 19:59:05 the community right here pretty much sticks to 2007.2 or 2008.8 Aug 23 20:00:08 is 2007.2 still be developed? Aug 23 20:00:14 no Aug 23 20:00:20 but .8 is Aug 23 20:00:21 it's been abandoned Aug 23 20:00:23 yes Aug 23 20:00:29 but it's not currently being updated Aug 23 20:00:38 ? Aug 23 20:00:50 the repos are not currently being update Aug 23 20:00:58 but they are working on it Aug 23 20:01:02 o ok Aug 23 20:01:23 what is the point of splitting development between this SHR and 2008.8? Aug 23 20:01:43 shr is made by the community. 2008.8 is made by the devs Aug 23 20:01:57 ok Aug 23 20:02:13 but the community can still develop .8? Aug 23 20:02:17 sure Aug 23 20:02:21 all the code is available Aug 23 20:02:24 ok jsut wondering thank you Aug 23 20:02:31 np Aug 23 20:04:55 so the only people working on 08.08 are openmoko itself, a startup which is trying to live up to its "iphone-killer" expectations that some journalists dumped them in? Aug 23 20:05:07 btw what is the freerunners average battery life and is there a difference in bat life between 2007.2 2008.8 and SHR? Aug 23 20:06:08 after I reboot my neo my alsamixer config changes back to default ? Aug 23 20:06:32 almien, no of course not Aug 23 20:06:36 Ark1_: 2007.2 you would want to charge the phone every night if you could Aug 23 20:06:45 but the devs, as far as i know, aren't working on SHR Aug 23 20:07:13 Ark1_, in my experience, the battery will last for 4 hours if it doesn't go into sleep mode Aug 23 20:09:11 4 hrs? Aug 23 20:09:20 is that talktime or jsut being used? Aug 23 20:09:48 will the phone shutdown automaticly when the battery is low? Aug 23 20:09:48 more like just being poweron'ed ;] Aug 23 20:11:49 henkie, not always Aug 23 20:12:03 Ark1_, that's time being used. but iirc, it's also talk time Aug 23 20:13:57 it should last you around a day safely in sleep mode Aug 23 20:14:22 Ark1_, 2008 has a function that make you choose to suspend you phone after a certain time Aug 23 20:15:55 plus if thats not enough for you you can look for non-orignal bigger nokia replacement batteries Aug 23 20:16:11 rooly|away: I can play mp3 from speakers for 6hours Aug 23 20:16:23 (moko is compatible with BL-6C - nokia ngage batteries) Aug 23 20:28:41 so, what's the bat life? Aug 23 20:28:41 ;) Aug 23 20:30:41 for what Aug 23 20:31:07 TAsn: depends if you got suspend or not Aug 23 20:31:41 the wiki page seems a bit out of date (or maybe it hasn't change a lot in the past few months) Aug 23 20:32:00 torindel, best scenario what battery life can i expect? Aug 23 20:32:05 some pages change a lot, some not Aug 23 20:32:24 torindel, well i was referring to this one. Aug 23 20:32:32 TAsn: not too good since suspend is still semi broken i think Aug 23 20:32:49 torindel, i saw they started working on gta03 btw. Aug 23 20:33:12 at least, that what was said on that guys blog Aug 23 20:33:19 i get '* Could not obtain administrative lock' when trying to use opkg tried 'killall packagekitd' but dosent solve it Aug 23 20:33:25 forgot his name, something with wulf Aug 23 20:33:25 from what i seen it was just cosmetic changes Aug 23 20:33:42 torindel, gps module was replaced Aug 23 20:33:47 and reported to be a lot better Aug 23 20:33:54 and yeah, cosmetic. Aug 23 20:34:03 or w8 i'm thinking about gta02v6 Aug 23 20:34:16 you maybe Aug 23 20:34:19 torindel, got a link Aug 23 20:34:19 ? Aug 23 20:34:36 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_revisions#GTA02v6 Aug 23 20:34:36 i just saw talks about gta03 nothing too fancy. Aug 23 20:34:38 also, i saw something they'd put in a 3.5mm jack instead of 2.5mm Aug 23 20:34:45 into the gta03 Aug 23 20:34:49 Wonka, from what i saw Aug 23 20:34:54 that's in the rumor section Aug 23 20:35:04 though i may have missed it in the blog. Aug 23 20:35:24 henkie: tangoGPS works really fine for me... Aug 23 20:35:25 TAsn: i wasnt here for couple of days so i didnt hear anything Aug 23 20:35:35 Then only thing is that I'm really annoyed by the OSD... Aug 23 20:35:49 I wrote a patch to turn it off but I don't know how to compile it :-D Aug 23 20:36:17 Stupid, isn't it? Aug 23 20:36:28 TAsn: i saw it in the ml web archive, iirc Aug 23 20:36:33 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03_revisions Aug 23 20:36:36 Wonka, cool enough ;) Aug 23 20:36:42 torindel, that's rumors Aug 23 20:36:45 facts are in Aug 23 20:37:05 http://n2.nabble.com/Weekly-Engineering-News-33-2008-td729555.html#a729555 Aug 23 20:37:23 wow they remove glamo in gta03 >_> Aug 23 20:38:23 torindel, that's a known fact (rumor?) for a lot of time now. Aug 23 20:38:47 im off. Aug 23 20:38:49 i am especially interested in GSM stuff that works with my 3G SIM and in u-blox 5 GPS Aug 23 20:38:51 cy.a. Aug 23 20:41:14 No 3G in the GTA03? :-( Aug 23 20:41:33 no Aug 23 20:42:03 New case design. <- Why? Aug 23 20:42:19 bbl Aug 23 20:43:45 where's bricode? :( Aug 23 20:48:28 * Zorkman finally has googlemaps working on tangogps Aug 23 20:50:45 Zorkman, I think there's a lot of interest in doing that - could you post how you did it on the tangogps wiki page? Aug 23 20:51:10 np, it's dead simple, i was just searching for ages for the right url, none of the ones i found works Aug 23 20:52:47 jucs: look for gta04 ;] Aug 23 20:53:10 torindel: Yes, but this is far away... Aug 23 20:53:14 Zorkman: so you just needed the right URL and it works? Aug 23 20:53:27 * jucs Zorkman, how? Aug 23 20:54:02 jucs: maybe not that long, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA04_revisions Aug 23 20:54:36 But is does not tell any time plan? Aug 23 20:57:33 KenYoung: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/TangoGPS#Using_Google_Maps_with_TangoGPS Aug 23 20:57:34 jucs: not yet, wait till gta03 will be availble, as i doubt they post it earlier Aug 23 20:58:32 They don't even tell about the their time plan for the gta03, do they? Aug 23 20:59:19 Zorkman, Thanks a bunch! Aug 23 20:59:49 np KenYoung Aug 23 21:07:59 FUCK Aug 23 21:08:07 me sideways! Aug 23 21:08:10 Damnit, kenyoung has escape unscathed again! Aug 23 21:09:10 I've been playing with my new FreeRunner and can't get it to register on a GSM network (tried 2007.2, 2008.8 and FSO). I've currently got 2008.8 installed, there's no file in /tmp like gsmd.log - is there a similar file I can look for elsewhere? Aug 23 21:09:54 jonquark: What network and what sim-card? Aug 23 21:10:09 Prepaid? Aug 23 21:10:30 O2 in the UK, I've tried a couple of 2G SIM cards which work in other Nokia phones Aug 23 21:10:40 CM: prepaid and contract Aug 23 21:11:00 Ok, should work Aug 23 21:11:16 Only issue I've had was that my prepaid was out of credit Aug 23 21:11:20 I'm trying to get a passwordsafe program setup on my FR. MyPasswordSafe seems to work reasonably, has the necessary fields, and uses passwordsafe-compatible files. But it has no import capabilities. :/ Aug 23 21:11:26 And then the freerunner behaved a bit weird Aug 23 21:11:45 s/freerunner/Neo 1973/ Aug 23 21:11:45 CM meant: And then the Neo 1973 behaved a bit weird Aug 23 21:12:27 Anyone know of something else I could use for the import step? Aug 23 21:12:48 So is there a log file somewhere that I can investigate for GSM problems on 2008.8? Aug 23 21:14:59 retracile :P Aug 23 21:15:07 sorry I don't know what you could use :) Aug 23 21:16:14 Dave: You're not much help. ;P Aug 23 21:16:36 Well, sorrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyy :) Aug 23 21:17:22 * retracile scoffs at Dave's uselessness ;D Aug 23 21:18:02 retracile: You need to put Dave in a Lab to make him useful.. ;) Aug 23 21:18:20 * Dave hides Aug 23 21:20:52 :o Aug 23 21:22:57 CM: such a wheel for hampsters would be useful :> Aug 23 21:25:11 Tanuva: Hehe, http://tinyurl.com/q28fg :D Aug 23 21:25:38 :o Aug 23 21:28:53 *fg* Aug 23 21:32:27 is openmoko turning a profit yet? Aug 23 21:44:58 what are you guys using on 2007.2 to connect to wifi? lintwifi, mofi, wifi-radar or something else? Aug 23 21:46:48 Hey all Aug 23 21:47:06 How do I get into the wlan settings using the Qtopia GUI? Aug 23 21:57:57 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rae4b6a30a4d0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade the kernel to get the sensor fixes from Andrzej and Andy Aug 23 22:21:19 I seem to have a simcard problem Aug 23 22:21:41 as far as the software is concerned, the card just isn't there Aug 23 22:22:09 the phone works with a different card (my mothers) but not with my father's card Aug 23 22:22:36 my father and I both have the same cingular pay-as-you-go plan, my mother has a cingular "normal" plan Aug 23 22:22:46 my card and my father's both work in other phones Aug 23 22:22:52 hi Aug 23 22:23:04 is there any release date for GTA03? Aug 23 22:23:20 my card is the same size and shape as my mother's Aug 23 22:23:27 but the contacts are different Aug 23 22:23:38 any ideas? Aug 23 22:24:17 Nemo_: no, but there are first testing pieces out Aug 23 22:25:23 Nemo_: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td729555|a729555 Aug 23 22:28:27 sorry for being offline, did anyone answer my question? Aug 23 22:31:17 anschelsc: There are other people with your problem Aug 23 22:31:22 me included Aug 23 22:31:35 is there a solution? Aug 23 22:31:44 get other sim Aug 23 22:31:51 or wait for gta03 Aug 23 22:32:02 See bugs in OM's trac: 666, 1766 & 1852 Aug 23 22:32:10 it's supposed to have diffrent gsm chip Aug 23 22:32:47 no software solution then? Aug 23 22:32:48 It depends on what the error actually is, some people in 1766 have had luck updating the software to some of zecke's builds Aug 23 22:33:03 I've tried with 3 different SIMs so far... no luck with any yet :/ Aug 23 22:33:05 where are the bugs filed? Aug 23 22:33:16 anschelsc: did you already mention what command you used and how it failed? Aug 23 22:33:28 https://docs.openmoko.org/trac Aug 23 22:33:42 lindi: you don't understand, nothing works, it's as if the card isn't there Aug 23 22:34:09 i can't use the dialer or contacts or anything, and the error is something like "SIM card not found" Aug 23 22:34:33 anschelsc: i'd like to see AT commands Aug 23 22:34:49 what are AT commands? Aug 23 22:34:52 anschelsc: the GUI just makes things more difficult to understand Aug 23 22:35:01 anschelsc: Depending on whether you are using 2007.2 or 2008.8 you can get logs wioth more info either in /tmp/gsmd.log or by typing logread Aug 23 22:35:12 anschelsc: the commands the gsm chip reads from serial port Aug 23 22:35:25 2008.8 Aug 23 22:35:28 logread? Aug 23 22:35:28 I know there is a gui to see GSM information (conneciton strenght, cell id...) but I can't find it anymore Aug 23 22:35:33 anybody know where to find it? Aug 23 22:36:04 anschelsc: ssh in from a computer using usb networking and look at the output from typing logread Aug 23 22:36:10 ok Aug 23 22:36:13 will do Aug 23 22:36:27 * anschelsc is busy doing that Aug 23 22:36:48 It'll be a lot of output... you'll need to save to to a file and transfer it back to the computer Aug 23 22:39:25 * anschelsc is sorry for going offline /again/ Aug 23 22:39:25 openmoko: 03zecke * r4603 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-browser2/po/ (LINGUAS it.po): Add italian translation from https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1108 Aug 23 22:46:15 ok, I have the output of logread saved to my computer, should I upload it somewhere? Aug 23 22:48:46 anschelsc: some pastebin Aug 23 22:49:04 anschelsc: I'm curious: do you see +CME ERROR: 13 or some other number? Aug 23 22:49:23 +CME ERROR: 13 Aug 23 22:49:33 alternated with AT+CIMI Aug 23 22:49:40 lots of them Aug 23 22:50:18 yeah me too (I got my Freerunner yesterday). The gsm modem is not able to talk to the sim card at all Aug 23 22:50:30 bug #666 is about that for 3G sim cards Aug 23 22:50:56 this isn't 3G Aug 23 22:50:59 bug 1852 I opened an hour or so ago for my 2G sims Aug 23 22:51:17 this is the cheapest plan on the market from several months ago Aug 23 22:51:26 i'm looking at it now Aug 23 22:51:30 I suspect they might dupe 1852 on 666 and track it all in there Aug 23 22:52:02 for some reason chatzilla is linkifying those to bugzilla Aug 23 22:52:10 i assume you mean https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1852 Aug 23 22:52:11 :) Aug 23 22:52:14 yep Aug 23 22:55:51 well I'm subscribed (rss) to the bug Aug 23 22:55:59 one last question: Aug 23 22:56:16 is it possible to return the phone if i can't get this working? Aug 23 22:57:26 anschelsc, what is your problem? Aug 23 22:57:44 same as bug 1852 Aug 23 22:57:54 and that is? :P Aug 23 22:57:58 https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1852 Aug 23 22:58:29 ah ok Aug 23 23:00:38 sorry, I have to go unless someone has info about returning this thing Aug 23 23:00:43 anyone? Aug 23 23:02:44 Does anyone know how to add news feends? Aug 23 23:02:52 To the openmoko feedreader? Aug 23 23:08:12 http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-feedreader2/src/feed-configuration.c <- RRRRR Aug 23 23:21:26 anybody have gutenflash working? Aug 24 00:15:04 next time I won't forget to run "opkg upgrade" from screen... Aug 24 00:15:36 when sshd is updated, it restarts sshd Aug 24 00:16:05 unfortunately, I was connected with ssh... Aug 24 00:17:16 why does it restart it itself? it's up to me to do so! Aug 24 00:17:49 (that's why I don't like debian either) Aug 24 00:19:06 has anyone in the US already made a purchase from koolu for the fr? Aug 24 00:21:57 tuXXX, funny thing about ssh... it doesn't die when the sshd restarts Aug 24 00:22:19 on my computer it doesn't, maybe dropbear is different Aug 24 00:22:39 root@om-gta02:~# /etc/init.d/dropbear stop; sleep 5; /etc/init.d/dropbear start Aug 24 00:22:39 Stopping Dropbear SSH server: no /usr/sbin/dropbear found; none killed Aug 24 00:22:39 Starting Dropbear SSH server: root@om-gta02:~# Aug 24 00:22:49 it's not Aug 24 00:22:54 "no /usr/sbin/dropbear found; none killed" Aug 24 00:24:35 you weren't really using dropbear, were you? Aug 24 00:24:48 ? Aug 24 00:24:54 uh, yeah, i was Aug 24 00:25:25 well, it didn't find anything to kill... Aug 24 00:25:37 debian-gta02:/usr/bin# /etc/init.d/dropbear stop; sleep 5; /etc/init.d/dropbear start Aug 24 00:25:37 Stopping Dropbear SSH server: dropbear. Aug 24 00:25:37 Starting Dropbear SSH server: dropbear. Aug 24 00:25:37 debian-gta02:/usr/bin# Aug 24 00:25:45 yeah, because it stopped without needing a sigterm Aug 24 00:26:19 ssh does not reset connections Aug 24 00:26:25 anyway, with opkg, it does ^^ Aug 24 00:32:23 Will ask again, has anyone in the US purchased their FR from Koolu (canada)? if so what was the total cost after shipping, taxes and duty? Aug 24 01:06:28 umount /dev/mmcblk0p1 Aug 24 01:06:30 umount: /media/card: device is busy Aug 24 01:06:32 umount: /media/card: device is busy Aug 24 01:06:43 fuser -m /media/card Aug 24 01:06:49 what's got it open? Aug 24 01:06:53 why can i not unmount the first partition?? Aug 24 01:07:23 1482 1516 1521 1529 Aug 24 01:07:35 umount /dev/mmcblk* always works for me Aug 24 01:07:37 kill all of those, and you can unmount it. Aug 24 01:07:41 whats a good browser that works on fso? Aug 24 01:07:51 the wildcard makes it unmount all partitions at once Aug 24 01:07:58 bad stuff may happen if you kikll the wrong processes of course Aug 24 01:08:21 eject /dev/mmcblk0p1 Aug 24 01:08:28 makes it pop out of the side of the phone. Aug 24 01:08:31 Well - it should. Aug 24 01:08:35 * ShellEvil files a hardware bug. Aug 24 01:13:49 * prjktdtnt lol's at ShellEvil's joke... Aug 24 01:14:08 * prjktdtnt changes his mind and decides he should comment in the ticket to add it to confirmed list Aug 24 01:19:46 whats is the default password for ASU please ? (when attempting an ssh access) Aug 24 01:20:05 an empty password for root Aug 24 01:20:32 Permission denied, please try again. Aug 24 01:20:35 :/ Aug 24 01:20:45 i didn't modify anything Aug 24 01:21:04 just updated the whole distro with zecke's config Aug 24 01:24:45 thx :) Aug 24 01:24:55 anf for setting the date ? Aug 24 01:29:15 it's on the wiki Aug 24 01:29:21 I think Aug 24 01:30:00 zecke's Aug 24 01:30:14 who is this zecke Aug 24 01:48:00 some crazy german hacker Aug 24 01:50:50 umount: /media/card: device is busy Aug 24 01:51:16 umount: /dev/mmcblk0p2: not mounted Aug 24 01:51:38 /dev/mmcblk0p1 contains a mounted file system Aug 24 01:52:16 i need to get all that stuff off sop i can put the music on here Aug 24 01:52:39 i dave debian on there Aug 24 01:52:46 *have Aug 24 01:53:12 You're runnind debian now? Aug 24 01:53:20 i need to unmount that file system i guess Aug 24 01:53:28 on sdcard Aug 24 01:53:44 i need to remove it:) Aug 24 01:53:53 You can't unmount (generally) a filesystem you're booted from. Aug 24 01:53:59 would u help me? Aug 24 01:54:03 speedie Aug 24 01:54:30 Just reboot into the normal distribution, from NAND, and then wipe the card. Aug 24 01:54:37 i used debian a few times but not much luck Aug 24 01:54:53 ok Aug 24 01:55:31 power+aux Aug 24 01:55:38 then do what? Aug 24 01:55:45 I dunno. Aug 24 01:55:58 Wipe the media card and put music on it you seem to want to. Aug 24 01:56:10 I don't know what media player you plan to use. Aug 24 01:56:23 Or get a bigger SD, and put both on Aug 24 01:56:23 how do i wipe it off? Aug 24 01:56:56 i bought a 2 gig Aug 24 02:00:19 Sorry - going to sleep now. Unfortunately at this stage, it pretty muich requires a good knowlede of linux to use the phone - such as it is. Aug 24 02:01:25 the boot from nand was the trick Aug 24 02:01:31 thanks Aug 24 02:19:31 lint :) Aug 24 02:20:15 pockets? Aug 24 02:20:35 :p Aug 24 02:23:09 hey dave Aug 24 02:31:57 Hi all! Aug 24 02:32:07 I just got my freerunner today for my birthday, it's amazing! Aug 24 02:32:45 i'm getting mine on the fifteenth :) Aug 24 02:40:52 I'm wondering what's the fastest way to get a better input for the terminal Aug 24 02:41:05 they phone-style thing that it comes with by default isn't really working well for me Aug 24 02:41:11 the^ Aug 24 02:44:45 should I just update to a recent daily build? Aug 24 02:45:22 ah, found some info on it.. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 24 02:59:56 2008