**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 24 02:59:56 2008 Aug 24 04:15:55 openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4604 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/ (3 files in 3 dirs): apply patch from LeRoutier for trac#1838 (Erin Yueh) Aug 24 04:59:11 i'm trying to build uboot manually, but when i use dfu-util to download, it print out "File is not targeted for use by this devide" Aug 24 04:59:48 but i do use "gta02v5_config" configuration Aug 24 05:16:16 "make u-boot.udfu" should give you an image that you can flash with dfu-util. Aug 24 05:47:18 mmontour_, it works, thank you Aug 24 05:48:57 hi :) im going to make a 2.5 -> 3.5 converter for my own headset , where can i find exact specification of fr headset jack ? Aug 24 05:49:14 i need to know which one is ground , left , right Aug 24 06:00:16 there are lots of opetions in alsamixer , where i can find description of their funcionality ? Aug 24 06:08:52 boo Aug 24 06:09:16 Zoup: search wiki for audio subsystem or something Aug 24 06:09:40 lindi-: its very uncomplete : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_alsamixer , is this the only source ? Aug 24 06:11:54 Zoup: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem seems pretty complete to me Aug 24 06:12:12 lindi-: thanks Aug 24 06:16:03 when i install om2008 , is there any default ip address that i can ssh to ? Aug 24 06:16:16 on usb0? Aug 24 06:16:45 i haven't managed to compile om2008 yet Aug 24 06:52:30 hmmm, to call my voicemail I have to phone 1 but I can't seem to get through under qtopia, anyone had similar problems? Aug 24 07:19:33 * goodwill looks around Aug 24 08:27:20 hi, i've just received neo, how can i check wich distribution i have on it? Aug 24 08:30:20 i need some 'notes' or 'memo' application for om2007 , any idea ? Aug 24 08:30:36 marcinsoo: It'll almost certainly have 2007.2 Aug 24 08:31:27 Does it have a picture of a landscape or a black background with squares marked Dialler, contacts (etc...) Aug 24 08:32:55 Zoup: Xounral Aug 24 08:33:52 landscape Aug 24 08:33:58 Zorkman: aa emm ,,, whero to get that ? google returns nothing , its not under packages list Aug 24 08:34:16 ok, when i updated via opkg : files were downloaded from buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/ Aug 24 08:34:29 Zoup: http://uploads.mibbit.com/up/xuo1ErBB.ipk Aug 24 08:34:57 Zorkman: thanks Aug 24 08:35:19 no Aug 24 08:35:21 *npµ Aug 24 08:35:27 marcinsoo: Yep...that's also what happened when I updated 2007.2 Aug 24 08:42:15 thanks Aug 24 08:44:46 everybody: I didn't quite follow what was going on with kernel modules in the kernel or out, is it safe to reflash only the kernel? Aug 24 08:45:01 or is opkg upgrade the best way to go for the kernel? Aug 24 08:54:49 hi, how can I do profiling on the software for gta02? Aug 24 09:01:41 by not parting 6 minutes after asking a question :P Aug 24 09:11:11 hi Aug 24 09:14:36 Gooooood morning. Aug 24 09:26:16 Good Morning ;-) Aug 24 09:29:04 hi Aug 24 09:29:24 how does the initial splash work? Aug 24 09:36:08 admiral0: very carefully? Aug 24 09:36:55 admiral0: its probably a framebuffer Aug 24 09:37:09 The old splash screen was soo nice and the new one is... well, funny, but not very "pretty"... Aug 24 09:37:22 yeah those boots are no good Aug 24 09:37:46 i have opkg upgraded and now i have 2 splashes Aug 24 09:37:47 And this ... kind of green.... is just.... awful :-D Aug 24 09:38:04 one starts then another starts over it Aug 24 09:39:21 is it possible to disable them both? Aug 24 09:39:29 i just hate them Aug 24 09:39:35 You can disable the new one by this command... Aug 24 09:39:45 I also prefer the console output :-P Aug 24 09:40:12 jucs, me too Aug 24 09:40:22 opkg -force-depends remove exquisite exquisite-themes && rm /usr/bin/splash-write && echo "#!/bin/bash">/usr/bin/splash-write && chmod +x /usr/bin/splash-write Aug 24 09:40:55 This will at least disable the new splash... Aug 24 09:41:11 ok Aug 24 09:41:15 thank you Aug 24 09:41:18 jucs: just the new ? Aug 24 09:41:31 or all splash? Aug 24 09:41:45 zogs: I don't know about the old one, maybe it will disable all of them^^ Aug 24 09:42:00 i'll restart and tell the results Aug 24 09:42:06 kay :-P Aug 24 09:42:54 interesting... Aug 24 09:43:07 i found /usr/share/exquisite/data/themes Aug 24 09:43:19 there were two edj files... Aug 24 09:43:21 If you have no bash installed it may output some errors.... you should edit /usr/bin/splash-write than or install bash... Aug 24 09:43:31 :-P Aug 24 09:43:52 But it will boot anyway, so don't worry^^ Aug 24 09:48:23 restarting Aug 24 09:49:00 didn't work Aug 24 09:51:29 can anybody give me a link to a running fso milestone 2 image for the gta02. Even better would be a tar.gz containing the rootfs for installing it on a sd card. Aug 24 09:52:10 The directory which is linked to on the openmoko page does not seem to contain one for the gta02. Only a jffs2 for the gta01 seems to be available :( Aug 24 09:52:46 *rootfs.summary is the rootfs Aug 24 09:54:11 admiral0: I tried this one. But it failed after loading the kernel. Because it could not found init :( Aug 24 09:56:21 admiral0: You still get the flash? Aug 24 09:56:24 splash* Aug 24 09:56:30 yes Aug 24 09:56:36 Then something might be broken... Aug 24 09:56:44 Because it shouldn't be installed anymore... Aug 24 09:56:52 where can i get last stable om2007 ? and is om2008 considered stable now ? Aug 24 09:56:58 and opkg upgrade did some nasty things ^^ Aug 24 09:57:20 Zoup: maybe om2008 with zecke testing upgrade Aug 24 09:57:28 Zoup: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#Om_2007.2_images_.28GTK.29 Aug 24 09:57:49 jucs: why shouldn't it be installed anymore Aug 24 09:58:02 jucs:i just love my freerunner anyway... btw it's called Aug 24 09:58:06 Lily Aug 24 09:58:14 admiral0: Perhaps you should flash the freerunner with newest image :-P Aug 24 09:58:28 *looool* Lily Aug 24 09:58:44 jakob_: Because he just removed it :-P Aug 24 09:59:10 jucs: is there a plausible reason for this? Aug 24 09:59:47 jakob_: For flashing for the splash? Aug 24 10:00:18 or* Aug 24 10:00:31 jucs: I am sorry I didn't got the correct context Aug 24 10:00:35 I'm waiting for Milestone 3 Aug 24 10:00:47 jucs: I thought you were talking about the fso image Aug 24 10:01:35 jakob_: No, sorry, never did :-p Aug 24 10:09:52 hi there. Aug 24 10:10:18 hi bedboi Aug 24 10:10:31 hi phil Aug 24 10:10:42 i've been in cambridge in august Aug 24 10:10:44 4 days Aug 24 10:10:54 ah, very good Aug 24 10:10:57 are you still based there? Aug 24 10:10:59 hope you liked it :-) Aug 24 10:11:03 yes, I am still there Aug 24 10:11:03 yep of course Aug 24 10:11:18 did you read those strange white panels around the city? Aug 24 10:11:25 like cambridge = oxford/pi ? Aug 24 10:11:34 hm, no, I haven't seen those Aug 24 10:11:36 ahah Aug 24 10:11:47 or universe = pi^mc^2 Aug 24 10:11:55 I haven't actually been into the city much in the last few weeks Aug 24 10:12:17 ah ok, it seems that this strange stuff is going on since the beginning of august Aug 24 10:12:28 ah right Aug 24 10:12:31 I wonder what that's all abou Aug 24 10:12:33 about, even Aug 24 10:12:45 i guess math students Aug 24 10:12:52 yah, sounds like it Aug 24 10:12:58 or psychos Aug 24 10:13:04 odd though, I don't think there are many students in town at this time of year Aug 24 10:13:41 however very enjoyable city Aug 24 10:13:42 Does anyone know how to set the Timezone? Aug 24 10:17:57 jucs: ls /usr/share/zoneinfo Aug 24 10:18:07 hm? Aug 24 10:18:17 ah Aug 24 10:18:23 And then? Aug 24 10:18:39 are there a whole bunch of files and dirs in there? Aug 24 10:20:47 pb__: E=mc^2 = Beethoven (construct) Aug 24 10:20:55 sorry Aug 24 10:20:59 pb__: E=mc^pi = Beethoven (construct) Aug 24 10:22:39 there's even a construct that states Universe = E m c^4/pi * 17/4 = 7.5 Aug 24 10:23:15 heh Aug 24 10:34:37 bedboi: were these the sort of things you saw? http://groups.google.com/group/cam.misc/browse_thread/thread/6e52bb0491b37501# Aug 24 10:36:17 there were no signature in the sign i saw Aug 24 10:36:32 there are also "fake" signs Aug 24 10:37:44 there's a sign on "bridge street" bridge Aug 24 10:42:14 mickeyl: good morning Aug 24 10:43:32 http://picasaweb.google.com/ldecicco/CambridgeWeirdness Aug 24 10:43:39 good morning pb__ Aug 24 10:43:43 hi folks Aug 24 11:16:10 How to turn the .tar.gz into a jffs? Aug 24 11:16:14 image* Aug 24 11:16:37 not the other way around? Aug 24 11:16:59 mkjffsimage Aug 24 11:17:48 dns53: No Aug 24 11:17:58 XorA|gone: Where do I get this from? Aug 24 11:18:14 I think debian has it as a package Aug 24 11:18:20 otherwise OE builds one Aug 24 11:19:54 http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&safe=off&q=mkjffsimage&btnG=Suche&meta= Google can't find, Debian can't http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mkjffsimage&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all and openmoko.org http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=mkjffsimage&go=Go also doesn't... Aug 24 11:20:47 jucs: you can just mount and extract? Aug 24 11:21:18 jucs: mtd-tools Aug 24 11:21:29 * XorA|gone used google power Aug 24 11:21:35 it has usr/sbin/mkfs.jffs2 utils/mtd-utils Aug 24 11:23:08 uhm... and you just need to pack the contents of the .tar-thing into an jffs image? Aug 24 11:25:04 anyone knows how to enbable acceleromters on 2007.2? Aug 24 11:25:12 hexdump returns no values Aug 24 11:25:51 hi , buongiorno Aug 24 11:26:55 hi, hallo, buongiorno, gutentag, bonjour, kalimero, ave, merhaba, konishiwa Aug 24 11:27:13 Zorkman maybe kalimera Aug 24 11:27:40 g'day Aug 24 11:27:53 speak italian? Aug 24 11:27:59 lu_zero: yeah, I actually don't know new greek, only ancient greek :) Aug 24 11:28:27 un po Aug 24 11:28:40 bene Zorkman Aug 24 11:29:10 sto cercando di installare openmoko su di un HP hw6915 Aug 24 11:29:28 hehe, i alctually now VERY little italian br0nt0l0, I went to firenze for a few days and once to monza/milan/como Aug 24 11:29:44 :p Aug 24 11:29:47 e l'howto mi ha portato in questa chat Aug 24 11:29:49 ah ok Aug 24 11:30:04 br0nt0l0: non so Aug 24 11:30:10 could mic2 volume be set to 3 by default? is there somebody who can hear the voice well with the default setting of 0? Aug 24 11:30:33 lindi-: good question, it seems stupid to have a default faulty value set... Aug 24 11:30:55 File a bug report! Aug 24 11:31:01 i did Aug 24 11:31:04 as Xora would say ;) Aug 24 11:31:06 i need a bootloader for hw6915 Aug 24 11:31:07 :) Aug 24 11:31:11 this is a poll for the bug report :) Aug 24 11:31:17 Hello jucs :) Aug 24 11:31:24 to install open moko it's a possible? Aug 24 11:31:25 lindi-: +1 :) Aug 24 11:31:28 nomeata asked me 'Is that a fix that works for everyone?' Aug 24 11:31:29 Well, I don't use the mic, so I have no complaints :P Aug 24 11:31:39 so if somebody gets smoke with mic2=3 please tell us now :P Aug 24 11:31:50 :) Aug 24 11:31:58 then we will file a bug report about your bug report :) Aug 24 11:32:00 * Dave votes for Lindi Aug 24 11:32:05 haha Aug 24 11:32:17 Bug: Lindi causes freerunner to catch on fire. :P Aug 24 11:32:43 Dave, you've gotten gestures to work in 2007.2? Aug 24 11:32:49 I didn't try Aug 24 11:32:52 I can't stand that shit. Aug 24 11:32:54 or does hexdump return some values for you? Aug 24 11:32:59 May it burn in hell. Aug 24 11:33:12 yeah, but we have to be ready for when an accelerometers game is released ;-) Aug 24 11:33:19 I'm going to install some games on my freerunner. Aug 24 11:33:25 which ones? Aug 24 11:33:36 Some ones I thought of last night which should run well on it :) Aug 24 11:34:14 pass tha dutchie! Aug 24 11:35:15 I wish the GPS a ltitude would use less drugs :( Aug 24 11:35:27 haha, yeah Aug 24 11:35:27 Dave: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=496289 Aug 24 11:35:43 and that would be? Aug 24 11:35:44 Dave: as you can see, it was reported two hours before you asked it to be reported :P Aug 24 11:35:53 eh? what? :D Aug 24 11:35:59 OMG! lindi- is a timetraveller!!!!! Aug 24 11:36:12 lindi-: please go back and fix gsm buzz and glamo!!!! Aug 24 11:36:23 :O Aug 24 11:36:28 i need this keyboard first :) Aug 24 11:36:39 lindi-: you can reward yourself by buying some stocks :) Aug 24 11:36:45 What does that have to do with me? Aug 24 11:36:54 Furthermore, what the fuck does fso have to do with debian!? Aug 24 11:36:55 o_O Aug 24 11:37:05 * Dave gives Zorkman some chocolates. Aug 24 11:37:16 they're going to make a baby: fsobian Aug 24 11:37:35 furthermore, I like how the fso frameworkd file in that buggy is in DOS format :P Aug 24 11:37:39 retarded. Aug 24 11:37:42 Freerunner on fire? Aug 24 11:37:47 INDEED Aug 24 11:37:50 That's something new. Aug 24 11:37:55 Dave: 1) you said '< Dave> File a bug report!' Aug 24 11:37:57 * Dave throws freerunner grenades at ike Aug 24 11:38:02 lindi, ah, yes, well :P Aug 24 11:38:04 that I did :P Aug 24 11:38:07 And here it is! Aug 24 11:38:07 Everything is a file. Aug 24 11:38:16 ike is a file Aug 24 11:38:20 Dave: 2) fso-frameworkd will soon be included in debian. i originally saw the bug as a packaking bug Aug 24 11:38:29 Zorkman: thanks. Aug 24 11:38:32 ;] Aug 24 11:38:33 Yeah Aug 24 11:38:37 bug bug bug bug Aug 24 11:38:46 Everything is a file. Everything is a bug. Aug 24 11:38:51 haha Aug 24 11:39:09 the Fr is the ultimate entropy machine :) Aug 24 11:44:59 \o/ Aug 24 11:45:25 hmm Aug 24 11:45:29 waar is cjb? Aug 24 11:46:14 entropy ... that was the thing our physics teacher wasn't able to explain us properly Aug 24 11:46:46 needs more stargate Aug 24 11:48:40 Uggh, bug reports... Aug 24 11:49:01 I could sit here for the rest of the day and file bug reports... Aug 24 11:49:29 ... but I'm not sure if I want to bother with such tiresome an activity. Aug 24 11:49:33 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r4d2f21364cee 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/channel.py: ogsmd: increase robustness. closes #23 Aug 24 11:57:13 ok thankyou to all Aug 24 11:57:22 bye bye Aug 24 11:59:08 anyone know how to connect to wifi with the qtopia os? Aug 24 12:01:45 eier: yes, but with ssh Aug 24 12:02:37 k, so i have to do it with the terminal? Aug 24 12:03:26 I didn't find anything else Aug 24 12:03:52 k thanks Aug 24 12:05:47 eier: I was able to connect using Qtopia wifi configurator. Aug 24 12:06:04 However it was an open network. Don't know if it matters. Aug 24 12:06:07 i cant find it. Aug 24 12:06:35 Hm. It was kinda hidden. Somewhere in the Applications menu oslt. Aug 24 12:06:51 menu>settings>networking? Aug 24 12:06:55 I'm on Om2008.08 right now so I cannot give you any pinters. Aug 24 12:06:59 config, network options add network Aug 24 12:07:00 k Aug 24 12:07:14 ;-) Aug 24 12:07:28 is 2008.8 working on neo 1973? Aug 24 12:07:37 eier: if you have more Qtopia related questions you might want to try at #qtopia. Aug 24 12:07:53 ike: they don't answer Aug 24 12:08:02 ;-) evil bastards. Aug 24 12:08:07 :) Aug 24 12:08:07 like yo? Aug 24 12:08:22 norsk! Aug 24 12:08:26 Dave: i'm just lurking at #qtopia ;p Aug 24 12:08:37 that's like me, going into #php Aug 24 12:08:37 haha Aug 24 12:09:13 Well. Since it's sunday today I'm going off to relax. Aug 24 12:09:17 HAND people. Aug 24 12:09:45 o.O Aug 24 12:23:02 speaking of polls: how would your dream touchscreen virtual keyboard work? Aug 24 12:23:47 NOT LIKE THIS ONE! Aug 24 12:23:50 :p Aug 24 12:24:04 which one? Aug 24 12:24:06 Personally people seem to think the iPhone style VKBD has standardized things Aug 24 12:24:17 though I am not so partial towards it. Aug 24 12:24:36 but a big problem, regrettably with the freerunner and its touchscreen is the raised sides Aug 24 12:24:38 i am planning something like that yes but transparent Aug 24 12:24:49 make it very difficult to hit things on the edges/corners, even with a stylus Aug 24 12:25:05 though oh the other hand it has a couple benefits Aug 24 12:25:14 yeah, they keyboard just needs to be bit smaller so that you don't need to hit the edges Aug 24 12:25:19 protects the screen well, however, it has no cover, which sucks Aug 24 12:25:25 right Aug 24 12:25:37 s/they/the/ Aug 24 12:25:37 also should allow zooming or something? Aug 24 12:25:38 lindi- meant: yeah, the keyboard just needs to be bit smaller so that you don't need to hit the edges Aug 24 12:25:55 Dave: probably just magnifying the letter that is about to be sent Aug 24 12:26:46 rasters keyboard is near to perfect Aug 24 12:26:55 bumbl: which one is that? Aug 24 12:26:57 whats a good browser for fso? Aug 24 12:26:59 bumbl: the illume keyboard? Aug 24 12:27:10 bumbl: the only problem is that i have still not managed to compile and run it Aug 24 12:28:01 maybe Aug 24 12:28:05 bumble yeah Aug 24 12:28:12 lindi-: yes the illume inbuilt Aug 24 12:28:15 bumble, unfortunately it's not available for all images or he doesn't tell us where it is Aug 24 12:28:23 all he did was point me to an ASU image or something Aug 24 12:28:31 lindi, right! Aug 24 12:28:39 He's like sure it'll work for all images Aug 24 12:28:42 lindi- the qtopia default keyboard is quite perfect but it has no èàòì and no delete last character Aug 24 12:28:42 but where is it, then? :( Aug 24 12:28:48 Dave: either look at the enlightenment homepage (there you get 2008.8 with the keyboard) Aug 24 12:28:51 dario, I dislike it Aug 24 12:28:55 or look at shr.bearstech.com Aug 24 12:29:00 for fso + illume Aug 24 12:29:01 bumble? Aug 24 12:29:04 ~_~ Aug 24 12:29:04 STOP DOING THAT! Aug 24 12:29:06 yeah I don't want that! Aug 24 12:29:14 I just want the keyboard app :( Aug 24 12:30:05 I have a problem with installing tangoGPS on the latest 2007.2 it _always_ gives an error (opkg install http://blabla/tangogps.ipk, or when I just download .ipk file on my pc then transfer it to the neo and then install it, or when I type opkg install tangogps) Aug 24 12:30:07 svn and build does not work? you have to use illume in order to get the keyboard Aug 24 12:30:22 bumbl: have you managed to compile illume keyboard? Aug 24 12:30:31 either signal 2 for opkg install tangogps, or an md5sum error when I point to the ipk file Aug 24 12:31:05 lindi-: I managed to compile the whole fso image which contains the illume keyboard Aug 24 12:31:20 I have never tried to compile just illume itself Aug 24 12:31:26 bumbl: i tried, and failed :) Aug 24 12:31:45 Someone please succeed! Aug 24 12:31:48 This is getting silly! Aug 24 12:32:39 bumbl: see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/027245.html Aug 24 12:34:05 it also depends on e17 svn version which is not going to be in debian for a long time i'm afraid Aug 24 12:35:20 lindi-: afaik the debian guys will package it soon Aug 24 12:35:30 fso repository Aug 24 12:35:41 reboot Aug 24 12:36:28 What init.d script should I use to restart the window manager (Debian); x11-common, zhone-session? Aug 24 12:36:45 no one has an idea what could cause this problem with tangogps? Aug 24 12:37:01 retracile: only window manager and not X? Aug 24 12:37:22 lindi-: restarting X too would be fine Aug 24 12:37:30 (just trying to avoid a reboot) Aug 24 12:37:37 retracile: then zhone-session Aug 24 12:37:39 Pjj: check if the problem is tangogps specific is my advice Aug 24 12:38:17 it used to go wrong with every update (opkg upgrade) but that maggicly was fixed Aug 24 12:38:44 lindi-: thanks Aug 24 12:40:09 lindi-: Hm. /etc/init.d/zhone-session restart gives me"/usr/bin/xinit already running." Aug 24 12:40:33 retracile: i have reported that bug a week ago Aug 24 12:40:39 heh Aug 24 12:40:47 stop ; sleep ; start Aug 24 12:40:55 ok Aug 24 12:45:35 Hi Dave =) Aug 24 12:45:50 Hello! :) Aug 24 12:45:55 Morning, retracile :) Aug 24 12:46:11 * retracile utters something irreverent about mornings. Aug 24 12:49:11 Hi ...My FR goes black after 15s secs. I have to how can I change that Aug 24 12:49:23 w_erase: what makes it blank? Aug 24 12:49:25 sorry .... Aug 24 12:50:27 lindi-, this is what i'd lilke to know .... It goes on - suspended every 15 seconds ... Aug 24 12:50:50 what part of the code is responsible of power management ? Aug 24 12:50:58 w_erase: ah so it suspends and not just sets screen brightness? Aug 24 12:51:07 w_erase: depends on what distro you run Aug 24 12:51:19 FSO, homebuild Aug 24 12:51:54 w_erase: zhone calls "apm -s" here if i hold power button for 2 seconds Aug 24 12:52:47 /nick nand_erase Aug 24 12:52:49 oops Aug 24 12:53:14 Any image of the FSO keyboard? Aug 24 12:53:31 lindi-, no it's not a simple screen brightness problem as I can see Openmolo's USB devices appear /disapear on my attached computer Aug 24 12:56:53 every 15 sec, I have : "PM: Preparing system for mem sleep" Aug 24 12:57:02 (from dmesg) Aug 24 13:03:44 interesting... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWUQ8Hk71Gg Aug 24 13:04:05 use of accelerometer to control sound effects Aug 24 13:04:11 (not neo) Aug 24 13:04:14 No Freerunners were harmed in the making of this video. Aug 24 13:07:06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMjAYdF13cU&NR=1 this is better Aug 24 13:16:08 * Dave enlightens bumble Aug 24 13:16:24 Dave: :-) Aug 24 13:18:54 Davey :p Aug 24 13:20:21 Anyone here who got openmoko-mail to work? Aug 24 13:21:26 what gives me the honor that I am enlightened by you Aug 24 13:21:41 Joerg! :) Aug 24 13:21:50 heehee Aug 24 13:22:00 That you use enlightenment and a good keyboard? :) Aug 24 13:22:04 I will compile the source out of you! Aug 24 13:22:07 muwahaha Aug 24 13:22:38 hehe Aug 24 13:23:41 Dave, when was the last time you slept, or are you always this humorous? Aug 24 13:27:23 sirkha, oh, I am usually like this. Aug 24 13:27:33 Unless I'm actually doing openmoko development Aug 24 13:27:40 Then I have to be in serious mode, I guess? Aug 24 13:27:47 But everything here is a joke. Aug 24 13:28:05 Come on, we have 7 1/2 functional distros now? Aug 24 13:29:17 yeah .. it sucks this way Aug 24 13:29:36 well... maybe it depends of what you mean by "functional" Aug 24 13:30:08 and 395 1/2 useful people Aug 24 13:30:11 :-p Aug 24 13:32:17 Wirus! Aug 24 13:32:24 stfu Aug 24 13:32:50 weird client Aug 24 13:32:57 Dave: get back to you disco lab Aug 24 13:35:53 nee Aug 24 13:40:22 Dave: mushrooms Aug 24 13:40:38 badgerbadgerbadger Aug 24 13:43:11 what the fuck? Aug 24 13:43:52 ¬_¬ Aug 24 13:44:35 Is there a way to set the wifi mode to monitor ? Aug 24 13:44:47 "iwconfig eth0 mode monitor" doesn't work Aug 24 13:45:26 depdends of the driver Aug 24 13:45:39 I heard this one doesn't support monitor Aug 24 13:46:14 that's not a valid mode Aug 24 13:46:42 Managed/Adhoc/Master Aug 24 13:47:20 <- see you :-P Aug 24 13:47:38 -> see me? Aug 24 13:48:14 jucs is albern Aug 24 13:48:27 *fg* Aug 24 13:48:28 :-P Aug 24 13:48:38 No, I mean bye bye XD Aug 24 13:48:45 oh, not Kauderwelsch? :P Aug 24 13:48:48 okee XD Aug 24 13:48:57 Byebye then :) Aug 24 13:49:05 Abschied Aug 24 13:49:11 :-D Aug 24 13:49:16 Yes, Abschied XD Aug 24 13:49:37 freerunner and promiscuous mode would be cool Aug 24 13:50:39 Joerg: es ist eine Verschwörung! Aug 24 13:52:55 You're trying to hostap the OM? or capture packets? Aug 24 13:53:07 I'm shocked if the OM didn't already have promiscuous mode.. Aug 24 13:53:25 promiscuous neo Aug 24 13:53:35 i'm sure ieatlint is on board with that :p Aug 24 13:53:39 I heard this one doesn't support monitor <--- and isn't there another driver ? Aug 24 13:53:45 it'd conform more toward his lifestyle :P Aug 24 13:54:47 oh I love python's interactive mode :D Aug 24 13:54:54 uggh Aug 24 13:55:04 You like it so much, why don't you debug my application, Tanuva! Aug 24 13:55:18 * Dave shackles tanuva to his malfunctioning python server Aug 24 13:55:40 is there anyway to test om 2008.8 on windows? Aug 24 13:55:40 because I don't even know that your app exists - and I'm developing my own :P Aug 24 13:57:28 :P Aug 24 13:57:34 Aww, no help for me, Tanuva? :| Aug 24 13:57:56 at least not from myself... Aug 24 13:58:05 yay, playpausestop works already... :D Aug 24 13:58:30 :\ Aug 24 13:58:38 boo Aug 24 13:58:40 hiss Aug 24 13:59:52 you'll have to do it yourself *slapping with python docs* Aug 24 14:01:00 does someone have a link to have quake 2 or 3 running on the freerunner ? :D Aug 24 14:01:54 * Tanuva slaps Deubeuliou with the glamo Aug 24 14:02:07 quake2 should work in software mode Aug 24 14:02:14 but quake3 is opengl-only Aug 24 14:02:22 mmmh :( Aug 24 14:03:14 Tanuva, sorry, but Memory Error doesn't really help me. Aug 24 14:03:33 and I fear what I've run into is a fundamental error, not a syntax/debugging error. Aug 24 14:03:44 err... maybe Crysis can run ? Aug 24 14:03:52 I know where the problem is, but if I must be missing something because I don't see what the problem is. Aug 24 14:04:01 In other words, the code is correct, but it fucks up :) Aug 24 14:04:06 hi all, is there something available like a sysprof over the whole openmoko software? Aug 24 14:04:07 Pretty much like all the freerunner stuff? :D Aug 24 14:04:28 Deubeuliou the atheros firmware in the ar6k doesnt do monitor or sta mode. only client and ad-hoc. its not a driver problem (we would of course support is when possible) Aug 24 14:04:28 tuxxx, you running quake on the freerunner? Aug 24 14:04:46 ok roh, thank you Aug 24 14:04:47 i'd like to change neod in small amounts... too bad it's not python or something like that Aug 24 14:04:57 roh, I hear the atheros firmware is closed, too. Aug 24 14:05:09 Dave: i hate such bugs :/ Aug 24 14:05:10 :[ Aug 24 14:05:14 Tanuva, yup! Aug 24 14:05:32 Dave: currently I'm not running anything, but quake and quake2 are working on GP2X Aug 24 14:05:40 eh? Aug 24 14:05:42 Dave as any firmware is. firmware means in this case 'it doesnt run on the same cpu as linux' Aug 24 14:05:46 Someone said Quake1 shold run on the freerunner. Aug 24 14:05:51 I believe there's a bug in pygtk's treeview interface... have you ever used that? Aug 24 14:05:53 heh Aug 24 14:06:01 roh :( Aug 24 14:06:03 yes, quake1 will run :p Aug 24 14:06:08 Make it run! Aug 24 14:06:16 I want DOOM, as well. Aug 24 14:06:22 But quake would be a sufficient start. Aug 24 14:06:27 the problem is the input Aug 24 14:06:32 Tanuva, it's likely. Aug 24 14:06:40 are you talking about interactivity-wise? Aug 24 14:06:47 yes Aug 24 14:06:50 like when using the treeview? it fucks up? Aug 24 14:06:54 tux, yeah Aug 24 14:06:57 Dave same is true for marvell chips, all gsm fw i am aware of etc.. even the intel wifi stuff on notebooks is binary only. Aug 24 14:07:04 I'm wondering if I could get a USB controller (gamepad) to work with the freerunner Aug 24 14:07:25 though I fear that even if it would work, confiration or not being able to calibrate it would be a problem Aug 24 14:07:30 you don't have any key, I saw a video of quake1 controlled by an accelerator (don't remember which phone) Aug 24 14:07:38 roh, sadness. Aug 24 14:07:49 usb gamepads are usb-hid compiant :p Aug 24 14:07:50 tux, sounds violent :P Aug 24 14:08:00 tux, hrm Aug 24 14:08:06 Dave: I have set up three columns, but I can't add three-object-arrays of data - with just one data object (a string) it basically works,but the string doesn't show up in the treeview Aug 24 14:08:07 I don't believe that ALL of them are. Aug 24 14:08:14 tux, even so, how would you configure them!/ Aug 24 14:08:14 well, most of them Aug 24 14:08:16 with accelerators could be dangerius. Aug 24 14:08:18 Dave but thats quite 'normal' .. the important point is: no binaries in userspace where the source isnt avail. thats a huge step forward already. Aug 24 14:08:22 I don't think there's even support for that on openmoko yet! Aug 24 14:08:31 same for kernelspace. Aug 24 14:08:32 roh, I guess Aug 24 14:08:34 if it comes to flash banks or so Aug 24 14:08:36 it's just a very uphill battle. Aug 24 14:08:41 :) Aug 24 14:09:04 anyway, I'll keep my gp2x for gaming Aug 24 14:09:07 ^^' Aug 24 14:09:15 doom should be easy (when you got the source) Aug 24 14:09:36 tuXXX: I'm waiting for the openpandora Aug 24 14:09:48 Shlee: I'll maybe get one too Aug 24 14:10:17 roh: yah, doom (prboom anyway) is in oe, it should be trivial to build it for openmoko Aug 24 14:10:23 again to my question, if I wanted to build the sysprof module for FR with bitbake how do do this? Aug 24 14:10:34 * roh thinks openpandora is more hype than real. also their openness is different than what i define it for myself (no binaries on the app cpu) Aug 24 14:11:04 roh: I'm going to give the Pandora a chance Aug 24 14:11:20 roh: there is so many definition of "open"... :p Aug 24 14:11:21 currently it looks like they will only have binary drivers for any graphics with the accell., which will not change since its not ti's IP Aug 24 14:11:21 because, they seem to have alot of developers working on devkits already Aug 24 14:11:25 and the hardware is solid Aug 24 14:11:42 roh: you mean, exactly like with the glamo? ^^ Aug 24 14:11:49 tuXXX no. Aug 24 14:11:59 tuXXX for glamo you have the driver. in source. Aug 24 14:12:08 you're right, we don't have 3D at all Aug 24 14:12:23 even if you had it wouldnt be much gain. thats why nobody did it. Aug 24 14:12:43 256x256 pixel textures are worthless.. you can blit that faster in software Aug 24 14:13:18 but we could simulate 3D having two FRs playing stereoscopic together ;) Aug 24 14:13:38 the gpu inside the omap3 they use is not from ti, but a licensed powervr SG530 it seems. Aug 24 14:13:40 maybe it's possible to reverse-engineer a 3D binary driver (like the nouveau folks) Aug 24 14:13:52 dream on. Aug 24 14:13:59 It is possible. Aug 24 14:14:07 in theory. will not happen. Aug 24 14:14:12 The question is how much time are you going to dedicate to it. Aug 24 14:14:39 much too few gain in it for the money. such stuff only gets reversed on totally different scales of distributed units. Aug 24 14:15:19 roh: the hardware/drivers might be binary.. but atleast it supports OpenGL and all those nice 3D graphic standards out of the box. Aug 24 14:15:34 means it took years for drivers to be reversed even only partially, and even then i know of not a single driver out there in linux which is fullfeatured or completed. Aug 24 14:15:36 the "open" argument is still an issue for purests but Aug 24 14:15:41 Shlee no. Aug 24 14:16:15 Shlee you seem to have no clue what that means for development. it means you have something you cannot debug, you cannot change, which nails down an api and an abi to one released binary. Aug 24 14:16:25 linux does not have any api or abi which is 'fixed' Aug 24 14:16:38 besides that binaryonly-kerneldrivers are not legal. Aug 24 14:17:16 * Shlee will read up on this.. Wasn't aware of it Aug 24 14:17:36 they are 'tolerated' to a certain degree, but not legal by law. thats why ati for example helps open development now and doesnt release readymade .ko files. Aug 24 14:18:14 they release a binary with a wrapper whcih the customer needs to compile and link finally. making him responsible for the result (which is basically undistributable) Aug 24 14:19:39 thats why for example often the binary fglrx and nv drivers break when some new kernel gets released. some change somewhere else simply breaks it because it cannot be compiled again to the right abi/api. Aug 24 14:20:13 see SLAB/SLUB change on ubuntu and the resulting breakage of fglrx till they rebuilt and released a new version much later Aug 24 14:21:07 I was wondering, does 2008.8 include the software fix for the GPS/SD bus conflict? Aug 24 14:23:12 should. Aug 24 14:23:57 roh, give me the source! Aug 24 14:24:13 to what? Aug 24 14:24:17 DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM Aug 24 14:25:08 roh: xserver-xorg-video-nv is an interesting case too. it has source code but a preprocessor was used to remove symbolic names of constants and only numbers are left Aug 24 14:25:43 lindi: obfuscation/protection? Aug 24 14:25:53 jaj: I don't know, but you're right, yesterday I was out the afternoon and only got something like 4 good fixes for 3500 bad ones... Aug 24 14:26:09 tux, that sounds terrible. Aug 24 14:26:11 http://doom.wikia.com/wiki/Doom_source_code Aug 24 14:26:17 Dave: you mean user subjugation :) Aug 24 14:26:22 >:) Aug 24 14:26:31 evilness! Aug 24 14:26:55 so either buildings are really bad for GPS, or the SD fix were not present Aug 24 14:27:08 Source me, baby! Aug 24 14:27:12 roh: Dave: http://iki.fi/lindi/nv_hw.c if you want to take a look Aug 24 14:27:18 Ooh Aug 24 14:27:24 dankje Aug 24 14:27:47 lindi-: there's a version before the preprocessing pass Aug 24 14:28:27 looks like hax logic Aug 24 14:28:38 tuXXX: an old version? Aug 24 14:28:42 yes Aug 24 14:28:57 was it licensed as free software too? Aug 24 14:29:09 seems unlikely Aug 24 14:29:50 Meanwhile, where's my DOOM port? :) Aug 24 14:31:05 lindi- my solution to the mess is to keep my hands away from nvidia hardware where possible. Aug 24 14:31:16 or the $%#@ way to play tux with touchscreen :) Aug 24 14:31:33 :D Aug 24 14:31:45 lindi- only makes trouble and since they only 'resale' sgi IP, they will never be able to open themselves like ati/amd and via or intel. Aug 24 14:31:48 lost cause. Aug 24 14:31:51 roh, bah :) Aug 24 14:32:04 yay via :) Aug 24 14:33:47 so ati is good and nvidia is evil now... interesing, someone inverted the image Aug 24 14:34:20 which is kinda sad, because i would like to buy a new workstation mainboard and if there would be reasonable chipset-combination for amd i would have already bought one Aug 24 14:34:31 nvidia has pretty much always been evil Aug 24 14:34:47 ati was good for a bit earlier, but then was evil until recently Aug 24 14:35:03 Tanuva before amd opened up docs they were pretty much up par. only the drivers for ati were worse (which is a quality, not a evilness thing) Aug 24 14:35:03 :) Aug 24 14:35:15 hmm Aug 24 14:35:19 correction ;0 Aug 24 14:35:49 anyway no inversions there, just ATI/AMD turning their coats a couple of times Aug 24 14:37:46 * Tanuva now really wonders which graphics card to buy since an upgrade is nessecary :/ Aug 24 14:38:24 * mjr has recently bought intel but them's only integrated... Aug 24 14:38:44 * Tanuva has no use for integrated graphics :> Aug 24 14:39:21 i do not care about gaming a long time anymore.. thats what consoles are for. Aug 24 14:39:26 anybody tried any recent qtopia-based buildhost images? Aug 24 14:39:47 i need multiple high-res dvi outputs, no fans, no rendering 'glitches' Aug 24 14:40:06 means i used matrox till they turned evil/built unusable hardware Aug 24 14:40:14 roh: bit ambitious. Wher'd you put the connectors - on the side of the phone? :) Aug 24 14:40:32 in a phone i have no use for accel besides simple 2d and blitting anyways. Aug 24 14:40:50 3d is overrated bs. Aug 24 14:40:58 one question, how can i recognize on the console if the screen is in portrait or landscape mode? Aug 24 14:41:17 i need framesync xvideo in hd with proper cubic scaling etc. (not in phone) Aug 24 14:41:32 * Tanuva won't ever buy such a goddamn console Aug 24 14:42:20 Tanuva then you will need to wait for many games some time if you even get them at all. Aug 24 14:42:39 I don't want many games, I just want the ones I have to run smoothly :) Aug 24 14:42:56 then youre wrong using a pc in the first place. Aug 24 14:43:07 roh, hah Aug 24 14:43:10 pc is not optimized for that at all. Aug 24 14:43:19 At first I thought you meant in the phone - what are you crazy!? :D Aug 24 14:43:21 and console games have their problems, too Aug 24 14:43:25 Seemed like a tall order. Aug 24 14:44:09 So, where's my DOOM port? Aug 24 14:44:14 Tanuva yes. but they can be fixed usually, and the overall quality is much better (no reason for the coders to worry about different drivers etc) Aug 24 14:44:52 Dave: http://prboom.sourceforge.net/ Aug 24 14:45:17 * Tanuva will stay with a pc as long as possible... nothing as flexible as that Aug 24 14:45:55 have there been any new developments in hacking glamo to run video? Aug 24 14:46:47 dodji once hacked open mplayer to use it to decode mpeg4 video on the glamo Aug 24 14:46:49 TAsn-orderedmoko: i haven heard of anything really new since a"acceleration in your pocket" Aug 24 14:47:01 besides that xglamo supports xv some time now afaik Aug 24 14:47:11 Zorkman, same here Aug 24 14:47:29 roh, so i can run movies in normal fps? Aug 24 14:48:53 does debian use xglamo by default yet? Aug 24 14:49:19 no clue. i dunno more than the blogpost and the code available says Aug 24 14:49:36 Tanuva: it can't because it's a generic arm distribution and not freerunner specific Aug 24 14:49:44 are there any 3d games for om yet? Aug 24 14:50:06 tmarkus: so I have to install it manually Aug 24 14:51:34 Ark1: since there is no 3D acceleration available, the best available 3D would be provided by software 3D engines Aug 24 14:52:39 wtf Aug 24 14:53:45 oh hot Aug 24 14:53:47 :D Aug 24 14:53:56 tux, have you tried that yet? Aug 24 14:54:20 Dave: what? Aug 24 14:56:37 Tanuva: yes, disregarding any hardware detection done by the installer Aug 24 14:57:13 Tanuva: xglamo touchscreen still does not work in the debian package yet Aug 24 14:57:16 afaik Aug 24 14:57:28 aaargh, I always confuse python with c syntax ><. Aug 24 14:57:49 DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM Aug 24 14:57:55 Tanuva, use perl. Aug 24 14:57:59 s/./;/ Aug 24 14:58:13 lindi-: hmm. does xglamo lead to any performance increase (is it worth it)? :D Aug 24 15:01:17 nah, just performance fails Aug 24 15:01:28 Tanuva: well, it allows xrandr -o 3 Aug 24 15:12:25 GUS set of compatible sound patches? Aug 24 15:14:36 Timidity? Aug 24 15:16:28 wtf is deutex!? Aug 24 15:16:32 gah Aug 24 15:16:35 someone make a package already Aug 24 15:16:56 or I will! Aug 24 15:17:00 >:) Aug 24 15:22:39 bear down super dave we are watching Aug 24 15:56:17 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r12acae6fb162 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (4 files): process events when idle FIXME: still buggy, does not work when idlenotifier is loaded Aug 24 15:56:18 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r021ed8a4a8f3 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (input-helpers.c input-helpers.h): Aug 24 15:56:18 freesmartphone.org: Fix processing of input events when idle, prolly save from power Aug 24 15:56:18 freesmartphone.org: FIXME: idlenotifier conflicts with input plugin Aug 24 16:04:09 :) Aug 24 16:04:42 tuXXX: i was under the impression that the freerunner had 3d acceleration Aug 24 16:05:20 DOOM Aug 24 16:06:04 SMedia Glamo3362 Graphics Accelerator Aug 24 16:06:45 yes, the hardware maybe does, but since we don't have any driver with it... Aug 24 16:09:02 wow, u would think there would be a driver for something that comes preinstalled in the device Aug 24 16:09:31 so is there not anyway to take advantage of it? Aug 24 16:09:51 RE the winedos mobile driver. Though the hardware is very limited for 3d anyway so ... Aug 24 16:09:58 windowos Aug 24 16:10:07 whatever Aug 24 16:12:36 windows Aug 24 16:13:43 anyway, the gl features wouldn't probably be useful at the VGA res anyway Aug 24 16:13:58 (as well as taking lot of kludging to work with that, if at all) Aug 24 16:20:56 so does it do ANYTHING? Aug 24 16:21:27 if not someone should write something to offload CPU work to it Aug 24 16:41:16 glamo it up! Aug 24 16:43:08 INSERT BATTERY SHUNT Aug 24 16:51:44 hi guys, anyone tried to run games on the thing? Aug 24 16:53:07 things like xkobo and scummvm have been run more or less well in addition to simple puzzle games and such Aug 24 16:53:40 oh and sopwith! but it really wants a keyboard or some funky custom input system Aug 24 16:55:03 maybe some 3d shiz we can use accelerometres with? Aug 24 16:55:07 neverball? Aug 24 16:55:51 dunno if anyone's dared to try Aug 24 16:55:59 hehe :) Aug 24 17:00:47 neverball would be nice with the accelerometer, but the 3D part may not be easy to manage Aug 24 17:03:50 damn Aug 24 17:03:58 Got my ogg problem solved :-P Aug 24 17:04:05 tux, you speculate too much, you need to put more games on your freerunner! Aug 24 17:04:07 JUCS! Aug 24 17:04:09 \o/ Aug 24 17:04:15 Dave! Aug 24 17:04:17 wilkommen Aug 24 17:04:21 Danke :_) Aug 24 17:04:23 :D Aug 24 17:04:33 Omg. German language again! Aug 24 17:04:37 HEIL! Aug 24 17:04:45 Die Deutschen! :D Aug 24 17:04:52 Du bist schmutzig! Washe dich! Aug 24 17:04:55 :O Aug 24 17:04:59 * Dave :[ Aug 24 17:05:57 :-D Aug 24 17:05:59 Well... Aug 24 17:06:08 ike: No, I'm not ;-Ãœ Aug 24 17:06:17 ;-) Aug 24 17:06:18 Jucs, so I take it you never got lost in Berlin... Aug 24 17:06:19 :P Aug 24 17:06:28 :) Aug 24 17:06:37 jucs: I know only a few sentences in german. Aug 24 17:06:51 like "Ich spreche nicht deutch" oslt. Aug 24 17:06:58 Yes, I made it through berlin... Aug 24 17:07:00 Bedauernswert Aug 24 17:07:04 jucs :] Aug 24 17:07:05 Just because my mum was with me *red* Aug 24 17:07:12 heehee Aug 24 17:07:14 really? :P Aug 24 17:07:15 Nono, the freerunner worked fine^^ Aug 24 17:07:19 oh okay, good :D Aug 24 17:07:26 Yes, actually we visited some ... relatives^^ Aug 24 17:07:41 Cool! :D Aug 24 17:07:46 And "Ich bin ein Kartoffel". Aug 24 17:07:52 Did you have a nice time, with your relatives, and your freerunner? :P Aug 24 17:08:01 ike, roffle? Aug 24 17:08:04 In fact, being a GPS-Device is the only thing that works stable by now :-D Aug 24 17:08:12 Dave: w00t? Aug 24 17:08:18 Yes, I did... we had to stop near to every power source :-D Aug 24 17:08:49 haha Aug 24 17:08:51 My brother taught me "I am a potato" in few languages. Don't know why. IT's aweird fetish. Aug 24 17:08:51 aw :P Aug 24 17:08:59 o_O Aug 24 17:09:02 Idaho? Aug 24 17:09:14 ike: Ich bin eine Kartoffel. XDDDD Aug 24 17:09:20 ;-) I was in the USA once, however I didn't go to Idaho. Aug 24 17:09:32 Damn it. Eine. I'll remember now. Aug 24 17:10:59 hmm Aug 24 17:11:02 free runner Aug 24 17:11:11 more like half-closed runner :\ Aug 24 17:11:11 :-) Aug 24 17:11:16 and not running Aug 24 17:11:21 it's barely walking as of yet Aug 24 17:11:22 half closed? Aug 24 17:11:31 :_D Aug 24 17:11:33 so maybe it's a Half-closed Walker? Aug 24 17:11:36 ~_~ Aug 24 17:11:37 STOP DOING THAT! Aug 24 17:11:39 Why half closed? Aug 24 17:11:48 maybe people wouldn't be so interested in purchasing it if it were called that :D Aug 24 17:11:56 jucs, because most the hardware in it is NOT open Aug 24 17:12:01 -_- Aug 24 17:12:21 But as far as openmoko can open it... Aug 24 17:12:44 They can't do a thing about that Samsung won't open it's CPU arch^^ Aug 24 17:12:56 :| Aug 24 17:13:20 I mean, it's open enough to rebuild it yourself, if you'd like to.. Aug 24 17:13:25 bah! Aug 24 17:13:31 but who wants to do thaT!? Aug 24 17:13:51 That's the idea of open source... Aug 24 17:13:52 Dummheit! Aug 24 17:13:56 :[ Aug 24 17:14:10 But they should really concentrate on the software now... Aug 24 17:14:29 Right now, I need to take to mobiles with me - the freerunner and my old nokia for calls and SMS... Aug 24 17:15:43 Or if it as least had a working web browser, an email oder news reader.... Aug 24 17:15:51 Hey, is there anyone who knows how I can add a custom launcher to the Om2008.8 home screen? Aug 24 17:16:29 Isn't that also handled by /usr/share/applications and the .desktop files in there? Aug 24 17:20:56 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r99c8433e0069 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Aug 24 17:20:56 freesmartphone.org: oevents: Push/Pull Scenario idea didn't work out, we need to save state between rule invocations for that. Aug 24 17:20:56 freesmartphone.org: Went back to fixed SetScenario (same as we did in oeventd for ms2) for now until we can discuss more. Aug 24 17:21:07 jucs: it was Aug 24 17:21:09 thx Aug 24 17:21:55 Np ;-) Aug 24 17:22:44 her doktehr Aug 24 17:23:14 Qtopia X11, Qtopia and Om2008.8 are completely independent distributions? Aug 24 17:23:59 Yes Aug 24 17:24:06 and then there's openmoko Aug 24 17:24:09 and ASU Aug 24 17:24:10 BBQ Aug 24 17:24:13 argh, i cant start my FR >_< Aug 24 17:24:16 yeah, it's pretty crazy :D Aug 24 17:24:19 Nono, ASU == Om2008.8... Aug 24 17:24:26 BBQ? Aug 24 17:24:37 wait nvm, here we go :D Aug 24 17:24:41 ASU != 2008.8 !? Aug 24 17:24:42 wtf Aug 24 17:24:48 UNLESS Aug 24 17:24:54 August Software Update ;p Aug 24 17:25:00 actually no Aug 24 17:25:06 and you forgot FSO and GTK (2007.2) Aug 24 17:25:11 It takes massive brain power to figure out... How did you do it? :P Aug 24 17:25:15 D Aug 24 17:25:20 plug it in? Aug 24 17:25:41 hum Aug 24 17:25:44 Oh gosh, if even one worked... Aug 24 17:25:54 Someone should hack the IPhone OS to go on the FR :P Aug 24 17:25:56 right! Aug 24 17:26:01 That would be funny Aug 24 17:26:24 I mean, I really really like Om2007.2.... I'm sad that they're now doing to Qtopia-Gui... Aug 24 17:26:27 all those guys spending thousands on a iphone, and we get a much cooler, better, and open phone :) Aug 24 17:26:30 Unfortunately arm6 apps don't work on arm4 Aug 24 17:26:40 then there's all that proprietary code Aug 24 17:26:44 and the fact that apple blows Aug 24 17:26:54 though mostly in the hardware dept and osx core Aug 24 17:27:13 I actually don't want the iPhone-OS... Aug 24 17:27:18 yeah eww Aug 24 17:27:20 I mean, I dislike Apple too much... Aug 24 17:27:27 cooties Aug 24 17:27:29 YES Aug 24 17:27:35 LET THE HATE FLOW THROUGH YOU. Aug 24 17:27:42 But I would try Android, even though it's not as open as openmoko... but until they've got something working :-P Aug 24 17:28:54 :P Aug 24 17:28:55 bah Aug 24 17:28:59 traitor :D Aug 24 17:30:11 Hate leads to anger. Anger leads to fear. Fear leads to the dark side! Aug 24 17:30:50 * ike wrote it on white MacBook. :P Aug 24 17:31:03 ike.. you got it all wrong Aug 24 17:31:20 Bill: might be. I am not StarWars zaelot. Aug 24 17:31:21 ;-P Aug 24 17:31:31 fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering... and that is the path to the dark side Aug 24 17:31:37 :D Aug 24 17:31:38 I actually want a macbook Aug 24 17:31:40 neither am i but it's just such a classic :P Aug 24 17:31:41 purely for OS X Aug 24 17:31:46 Not that it might be awesome, or not Aug 24 17:31:51 But i want to try something new, Aug 24 17:31:58 Sure Aug 24 17:32:02 if only apple didnt charge half a kidney for their machines in my country Aug 24 17:32:08 yeah.. sad that they are now just PC's with glorified look Aug 24 17:32:12 hell, i'd probably have to sell my liver too Aug 24 17:32:12 haha Aug 24 17:32:14 assy Aug 24 17:32:17 * Bill_ liked the old powerbooks Aug 24 17:32:25 flexd: try ebay :) Aug 24 17:34:39 oh well, time to go to costco :) Aug 24 17:34:39 maybe :) Aug 24 17:34:50 I have an old P4 2ghz laptop im using atm, gonna work just fine for school with ubuntu on it Aug 24 17:40:17 Shiloh was here??? Aug 24 17:40:52 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r274cb07115af 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/input-helpers.c: input plugin: Fix some memory leaks, make process_event a high priority idle event Aug 24 17:44:22 flexd: How can you? Aug 24 17:44:58 I would rather marry bill gates than buy one single piece of crapple prinsonware... Aug 24 17:45:02 -n* Aug 24 17:51:31 jucs: ;-) he's already married. Aug 24 17:52:02 I know :_P Aug 24 17:52:02 jucs: but Jobs is free atm. ;p Aug 24 17:52:07 RRRR Aug 24 17:52:15 Guess why.. Aug 24 17:53:21 hi guys, I think I just screwed my FPC cable. How can I order for a new one ? Aug 24 18:02:12 jucs: How can i use ubuntu? Aug 24 18:02:14 Or how can i want a macbook? Aug 24 18:02:58 Ubuntu? Aug 24 18:08:33 anyone know an application that shows cellID and signal strenght? Aug 24 18:10:44 Zorkman: libgsmd-tool Aug 24 18:11:16 does that have a gui? Aug 24 18:11:59 I know there is one with a gui, but I can't find it anywhere :( Aug 24 18:12:02 i'll check libgsmd-tool Aug 24 18:12:41 seems that it doesn't have a gui Aug 24 18:12:51 has anyone tried GPE (Gnome Palmtop Enviro) on the FR? Aug 24 18:16:30 I'm able to do calls on Qtopia, not bad Aug 24 18:18:23 ok, this is embarassing. I can't figure out how to enter my command in the terminal. Aug 24 18:18:36 ? Aug 24 18:18:41 are you ssh'ed in? Aug 24 18:18:44 I have it in there.., but where's linefeed? Aug 24 18:19:10 I am sshed in, but this is with the terminal from the openmoko-terminal2 package Aug 24 18:20:23 and SMSes are working too... Aug 24 18:24:58 hmh.. looks like last e from zeckes repo segfaults at start.. over and over Aug 24 18:25:13 illume loads but then there's recursive sigsegv Aug 24 18:25:17 Does anyone experience complete hangs while charging (not via usb / pc, but via power supply) and using sound applications like Media Player? Aug 24 18:26:42 Could someone try this? Aug 24 18:27:14 Plug the freerunner in and play some music and so on? Aug 24 18:27:24 With Om2007.2... Aug 24 18:27:36 jucs: no Aug 24 18:27:47 jucs: i'm currently charging through usb and playing an mp3 Aug 24 18:27:51 streaming also works Aug 24 18:28:02 With the Om2007.2-thing? Aug 24 18:28:06 yes Aug 24 18:28:18 I flashed the kernel a few hours ago and opkg upgraded Aug 24 18:28:23 but it always worked for me... Aug 24 18:28:25 Zorkman: USB or power supply? Aug 24 18:28:32 USB Aug 24 18:28:45 No, it only affects charging with the power supply... Aug 24 18:28:47 but it also works with the wall charger Aug 24 18:28:56 (at least it does on my Fr) Aug 24 18:29:03 okay... Aug 24 18:34:19 Hi, I'm having a little trouble getting my new freerunner online by forwarding the connection over usb Aug 24 18:34:37 I'm following the usb networking guide on the wiki Aug 24 18:35:00 Daenyth: remember to "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" on the desktop (as root) Aug 24 18:35:09 ab0oo: I did Aug 24 18:35:32 and you set "iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE" ? Aug 24 18:35:41 yup Aug 24 18:35:53 they're on .0.200 and .0.202, as in the guide Aug 24 18:36:01 and, most importantly, you're not using funky ipaddresses (i.e. your PC is 192.168.0.200 and the FR is 192.168.0.202? Aug 24 18:36:10 what's the IP for eth0 on the PC? Aug 24 18:36:22 i.e. are you using 192.168.0.xxx on both sides? Aug 24 18:36:27 I'm using wireless on the pc; it's 192.168.1.106 Aug 24 18:36:30 oh Aug 24 18:36:32 usb0? Aug 24 18:36:43 no, you're right Aug 24 18:36:46 yes, for usb0 it's .0.200 and .0.202 Aug 24 18:36:56 there is a case where you have eth0 and usb0 both on 192.168.0.xxx networks. Aug 24 18:37:01 that can be problematic Aug 24 18:37:07 yeah, that's not it I would think Aug 24 18:37:15 if you have a d-link router, etc Aug 24 18:37:29 nope Aug 24 18:37:38 they can ping each other, I can ssh in Aug 24 18:38:06 Daenyth: did you edit your etc/resolv.conf on the FR? Aug 24 18:38:22 Zorkman: I can't get out by ip address either Aug 24 18:38:22 Daenyth: you're still set as away Aug 24 18:38:46 Daenyth: you have to edit your /etc/resolv.conf Aug 24 18:38:48 can you ping 192.168.1.106 from the FR? how about 192.168.1.1 (assuming that's your gateway/router) Aug 24 18:38:58 lemme try Aug 24 18:39:07 if IP addresses work, and names don't, you're in DNS resolution hell. Aug 24 18:39:07 I can't ping .1.1 Aug 24 18:39:14 ab0oo: ip addresses don't work Aug 24 18:39:19 and you CAN ping 1.1. from the PC? Aug 24 18:39:22 yes Aug 24 18:39:38 cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and paste the result here, please. Aug 24 18:40:00 1 Aug 24 18:40:20 I used the two iptables lines listed further down to forward dns requests Aug 24 18:40:23 ok. Not that I didn't believe you... but I didn't. :) Aug 24 18:40:25 might that have broken something? Aug 24 18:40:37 ab0oo: np, I know how it is. I do tech support quite often :) Aug 24 18:40:50 sudo iptables -t nat -L -vxn and paste it to pastebin, please Aug 24 18:41:12 http://rafb.net/p/BhQWbi71.html Aug 24 18:41:35 line 8? Aug 24 18:41:43 that looks funky, dest 0.? Aug 24 18:42:08 nah, that's legit. Aug 24 18:42:14 http://www.thomasbertani.it/getipk/v0.1.0/index.php Aug 24 18:42:20 that's basically saying "ANY" destination Aug 24 18:42:23 btw, when I try to iwconfig eth0 essid my_essid key my_wep_key; it fails Aug 24 18:42:45 I can connect to the essid, but I can't put in the wep key Aug 24 18:42:48 mine looks identical Aug 24 18:42:51 is there any special method on the FR? Aug 24 18:43:10 (my postrouting line). I run dnsmasq in resolver-only mode on my 192.168.0.200 machine Aug 24 18:43:26 so I don't use the forward-dns-resolution PREROUTING lines Aug 24 18:44:02 paste "netstat -rn" from the freerunner here, please Aug 24 18:44:05 k Aug 24 18:44:14 Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface Aug 24 18:44:14 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 Aug 24 18:44:38 route add default gw 192.168.0.200 Aug 24 18:44:44 ohh duh Aug 24 18:45:05 ahhh Aug 24 18:45:15 it's been so long since I've done static ip, forgot that part Aug 24 18:45:20 works now, just have to set up the dns Aug 24 18:45:21 I hope that was it, because I'm running out of tech-support ideas... Aug 24 18:45:25 I'll probably try dnsmasq Aug 24 18:45:26 phew. Aug 24 18:45:35 I have to go run some errands, bbl Aug 24 18:45:37 thanks for the help Aug 24 18:45:44 and ip forwarding? Aug 24 18:45:55 tuXXX: I can ping google's ip address Aug 24 18:46:01 so I just need to configure dns next Aug 24 18:46:03 afk Aug 24 18:46:19 hmm yes Aug 24 18:48:02 does the matchbox keyboard only work with matchbox-wm? Aug 24 18:59:45 is there a good tutorial to writing apps for om? Aug 24 19:01:38 Ark1: um...in what sense? Aug 24 19:01:52 Ark1: you write apps for it the same way you would other linux systems Aug 24 19:02:13 heh ok Aug 24 19:04:02 Ark1: there are several software stacks... Aug 24 19:04:09 the gtk one the qutopia one Aug 24 19:04:10 fso Aug 24 19:04:33 uses c++ , python, efl...and all the other good things Aug 24 19:04:39 its really up to you Aug 24 19:04:43 no java i guess Aug 24 19:04:53 you can check out some project on projects.openmoko.org Aug 24 19:04:57 to see hwo people do it Aug 24 19:05:06 ok thank you Aug 24 19:05:12 I believe there is a project there for porting java onto OM Aug 24 19:05:53 goodwill: apt-get install openjdk-6-jre Aug 24 19:06:02 can i manually see the battery level without apm? Aug 24 19:06:07 lindi-: pardon? Aug 24 19:06:38 goodwill: sun/icedtea/debian folks have already ported it for armel, why reinvent the wheel? Aug 24 19:06:51 lindi-: its not my project Aug 24 19:07:36 lindi-: http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/java-pkg/ Aug 24 19:08:02 hmm Aug 24 19:13:40 anyone using a recent daily and getting good reliability? Aug 24 19:19:12 is it possible to run 08.8 on a 1973? Aug 24 19:21:26 is there an visual interface for the alsa soundmixer available (openmoko gtk)? Aug 24 19:21:30 bask Aug 24 19:21:33 er Aug 24 19:21:36 back Aug 24 19:21:48 af08151: alsamixer isn't good enough for you? :P Aug 24 19:21:56 yeah... its visual Aug 24 19:22:33 yes but a little hard to work on the terminal Aug 24 19:22:43 mmm so. Do I have to use my desktop as the dns server? I tried using nameserver 192.168.1.1 (my router, which I can ping) Aug 24 19:22:46 but it didn't work Aug 24 19:23:11 router will not respond to external vlans Aug 24 19:23:17 gotcha Aug 24 19:23:22 but will route their packets Aug 24 19:23:29 so set as a dns Aug 24 19:23:38 the real dns server from ur isp Aug 24 19:23:43 does anybody have a dnsmasq conf that will just bounce it along to the server in my desktop's resolv.conf? Aug 24 19:23:50 aha Aug 24 19:23:57 lemme try the opendns ones Aug 24 19:24:03 I trust those more Aug 24 19:24:09 Daenyth: i just use 4.2.2.2 Aug 24 19:24:17 or .1 :p Aug 24 19:24:17 Daenyth: what does the "open" in opendns mean btw? Aug 24 19:24:30 lindi-: public global dns servers that anyone can use Aug 24 19:24:36 assuming their govt doesn't block the request :P Aug 24 19:24:59 woo Aug 24 19:25:00 Daenyth: but they use proprietary software and redirect you to ads? Aug 24 19:25:02 annnnd I have dns Aug 24 19:25:07 lindi-: afaik no Aug 24 19:25:15 open like linux is open Aug 24 19:25:16 to which part? Aug 24 19:25:34 Daenyth: wikipedia says 'OpenDNS is not, as its name might seem to imply, open source software.' Aug 24 19:25:40 perhaps I am mistaken then Aug 24 19:26:24 Can I ask for a straw poll: I've tried 3 SIMs with my Freerunner (none have worked). I'm going to buy another tomorrow. Have most people been successful with the first SIM, or have people generally had to try multiple SIMs? Aug 24 19:26:38 worked for me Aug 24 19:26:41 jonquark: how does it fail? Aug 24 19:27:06 lindi-: In the log Error 13, it can't talk to the SIM at all Aug 24 19:27:22 (there are trac bugs open about this) Aug 24 19:27:35 jonquark: I think it depends on brand? Aug 24 19:27:47 jonquark: right Aug 24 19:28:03 jonquark: worked here too Aug 24 19:28:12 and the sim is something like 3 or 4 years old Aug 24 19:28:25 i got brand new sim and it worked too Aug 24 19:28:44 I hope mine works :s Aug 24 19:28:56 haven't put it in yet Aug 24 19:29:03 * jonquark is very envious...and very sad Aug 24 19:29:16 mine worked right away Aug 24 19:29:33 I just got mine last night for a birthday gift :D Aug 24 19:29:43 and I have this whole week off work, so psyched Aug 24 19:30:53 hmm Aug 24 19:31:12 when I try to manually connect to my wep network, I can't put in the key Aug 24 19:31:23 I can associate fine but when I try the key it gives me an error Aug 24 19:31:41 iwconfig eth0 key 1122334455 Aug 24 19:31:50 yes, that's what I'm doing Aug 24 19:32:00 Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :\n SET failed on device eth0 ; Input/output error. Aug 24 19:32:52 r u using 2007.2? cause its drivers are buggy Aug 24 19:32:58 I am Aug 24 19:33:16 just got it yesterday, haven't installed anything yet Aug 24 19:33:35 u could try turning it off (txpower off) and setting essid/key, and then back on (txpower 15) Aug 24 19:34:08 mmmk Aug 24 19:34:15 iwconfig txpower or just txpower Aug 24 19:34:21 iwconfig Aug 24 19:34:24 ok Aug 24 19:34:41 Daenyth: mofi works for me Aug 24 19:34:43 fails also Aug 24 19:34:50 Zorkman: I was looking at the other.. lint? Aug 24 19:34:53 it looked very nice Aug 24 19:35:00 (WPA2, i don't even need to make a wpacomplicant file) Aug 24 19:35:07 ugh, yeah Aug 24 19:35:09 lint-wifi doesn't work for me... Aug 24 19:35:11 wpa_sup is a bitch Aug 24 19:35:21 mofi worked withouth wpa_sup Aug 24 19:35:25 mm Aug 24 19:35:28 I'll give both a go Aug 24 19:35:41 * aggtrfrad cannot understant y lint-wifi uses wpa_supplicant to connect to open/wep nets Aug 24 19:35:49 * aggtrfrad hates wpa_supplicant Aug 24 19:35:52 it does? 0.o Aug 24 19:35:59 yeah.. Aug 24 19:36:08 wow weird Aug 24 19:36:12 and the interface looked so nice Aug 24 19:36:25 someone should hack the lint ui onto mofi internals then :P Aug 24 19:36:31 yes indeed Aug 24 19:38:01 jonquark: i had better sim compatability with qtopia, asu, and fso than 2007.2 Aug 24 19:38:39 AntonTakk: how can that make any difference? Aug 24 19:38:57 lindi-: dunno, but it did, guessing software bugs Aug 24 19:39:01 AntonTakk: if the chip returns cme error 13 it returns that no matter what you send there? Aug 24 19:40:09 lindi-: with some images my sim would constantly register, or allow me to recieve calls but not make them, so it is possible to seemingly lose sim-fonctionality due to software Aug 24 19:40:29 lindi-: my experience was this: pre-asu from 7/15 worked wonderfully, 2007.2 couldn't even register, same sim Aug 24 19:40:36 freerunner freerunner freerunnner Aug 24 19:40:46 say it three times in front of a mirror and you will be BUGGED! Aug 24 19:40:55 AntonTakk: you should have logged the traffic to the gsm chip Aug 24 19:44:31 lindi-: why? 2008.8 had been announced before i got my fr, i had no reason to futz with a for-the-moment abandoned software stack Aug 24 19:46:36 my problem with spam is that every time I click they provide I get "not found" Aug 24 19:46:42 I mean for crying out loud Aug 24 19:46:45 so, how is it hanging at OpenMoko ? Aug 24 19:47:06 keeping the site running is fraud 101 Aug 24 19:47:33 goodwill! :) Aug 24 19:47:42 hunting!! Aug 24 19:47:49 no Aug 24 19:47:57 twoards man! Aug 24 19:48:25 Dave: !!! Aug 24 19:48:41 how is it going? Aug 24 19:49:28 Alright :)) Aug 24 19:49:35 I miss your packages :p Aug 24 19:54:51 to install the matchbox keyboard do I have to remove the multitap one? Aug 24 19:55:11 the guide on the wiki says to do so, but is it required Aug 24 19:55:27 AntonTakk: to learn Aug 24 19:56:04 hi, does FSO tell you when you have received a SMS? On debian, it do nothing... Aug 24 19:56:34 TeXitoi: once you reach level 60 you will feel it deep withing yourself when your freerunner recieves an sms Aug 24 19:56:50 lol Aug 24 19:57:08 so Aug 24 19:57:26 do I have to remove the original keypad to install matchbox? Aug 24 19:58:01 TeXitoi: that is planned for milestone 3 Aug 24 19:58:08 i believe Aug 24 19:58:08 Daenyth: I think the info is on the wiki, if i recall correctly: yes Aug 24 19:58:15 hrm Aug 24 19:58:15 ok Aug 24 19:58:58 AntonTakk: thanks Aug 24 19:59:32 I'm trying to opkg update and I get Aug 24 19:59:33 Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.sig, error 404 Aug 24 19:59:39 TeXitoi: trac.freesmartphone.org/roadmap - best way to keep track of it :) Aug 24 19:59:42 I get that 5 times, for different urls Aug 24 19:59:49 Daenyth: signatures are not yet implemented Aug 24 19:59:55 ignore the error messages Aug 24 19:59:57 Zorkman: how do I update then Aug 24 20:00:01 oh it's updated? Aug 24 20:00:02 ok] Aug 24 20:00:05 yes :) Aug 24 20:00:08 Daenyth: i believe that is a known "problem" idnore it Aug 24 20:00:12 ignore* Aug 24 20:00:55 Daenyth: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards Aug 24 20:01:32 TeXitoi: that's what I'm using Aug 24 20:02:14 oh I see Aug 24 20:05:28 AntonTakk: thanks, I bookmark that now :) Aug 24 20:07:18 do I have to compile lint or is it in opkg? Aug 24 20:12:02 hmm Aug 24 20:12:14 I try to start mofi, it crashes saying it can't import cairo Aug 24 20:12:24 what package is that in (and why isn't it listed as a dependency) Aug 24 20:13:38 Daenyth: opkg list | grep cairo is my solution Aug 24 20:14:17 maybe python-pycairo Aug 24 20:14:23 btw.. does anyone know of any workaround to not regitering to gsm network with 2008.8 Aug 24 20:14:29 what do people here consider the most stable distro for everyday usage? i've found the qtopia so far to be alright Aug 24 20:14:30 already installed... Aug 24 20:15:00 bill_, do you mean the sim card issue? Aug 24 20:15:07 Bill_: info on trac indicated that was fixed, trying today's daily now Aug 24 20:15:17 don't Aug 24 20:15:20 tried that before Aug 24 20:15:39 registered to network but enlightenment is fcked up Aug 24 20:15:40 it's already flashing, it'll work, or it won't Aug 24 20:15:43 KB: yes it's the one working the best for me too (calls, SMSs, music player...) Aug 24 20:15:56 sigsegvs your ass to moon :) Aug 24 20:16:23 tuXXX: i can never get the qtopia music player to stop playing thou Aug 24 20:16:32 but testing doesn't have the fix yet, i see Aug 24 20:16:45 does anybody know how you can turn of word suggestion on the Om 2008.8 keyboard Aug 24 20:16:49 ? Aug 24 20:17:03 jaj: look on the wiki Aug 24 20:17:09 it's in the 2008.8 section Aug 24 20:17:15 tuXXX: i seem to have an issue with calls are very loud, though... is it just me or is it a setting or something? Aug 24 20:17:28 KB: sim isn't a issue.. it registeres fine with older/qt images Aug 24 20:17:47 it seems a bug in libgsm or somewhere around it in 2008.8 Aug 24 20:17:54 KB: I didn't try with real calls, only voicemail and voice-account-management Aug 24 20:18:05 Zorkman: I have read everything in the wiki about it and I couldn't find anything like that. do you need to install the illume keyboard? Aug 24 20:18:54 KB: the output was on the read speaker and when I plugged headphones it didn't work anymore Aug 24 20:18:58 *rear Aug 24 20:19:15 Bill_: i think i saw a bugreport on the 2008.8 not working with the gsm for some where the older worked.. i could see if i could find the bugreport in a sec Aug 24 20:20:24 tuXXX: i tried once plugging in the headset but it was still on speaker, so i panically gave up that in order to just talk to the person on the other end Aug 24 20:21:08 well, it works with the music player Aug 24 20:21:38 it'd be great if 4.4 could come anytime soon ^^ Aug 24 20:21:48 Bill_: here it is: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1790 Aug 24 20:23:07 any pointers on how to turn off the screensaver on zhone? Aug 24 20:23:15 and turn off the way it turns off the screen Aug 24 20:23:36 b0ef: for the moment....learn python Aug 24 20:23:57 is there a way to update qtopia? i seem to remember trying ipkg, but i don't think it was there Aug 24 20:25:45 where can i find the names of packages Aug 24 20:25:51 i want to isntall pygtk Aug 24 20:25:57 ne cairo Aug 24 20:26:15 and ruby Aug 24 20:26:18 apt-cache search python|grep -i gtk;) Aug 24 20:26:23 KB: iirc lorn provides tar's that you can just unpack to /opt/Qtopia Aug 24 20:26:29 Bill_: works like a charm here, registered and made a call :) Aug 24 20:26:44 hmmmh Aug 24 20:26:50 todays build? Aug 24 20:26:51 b0ef: apt? Aug 24 20:26:55 yep Aug 24 20:27:01 8/24 Aug 24 20:27:05 ahh.. i had zekes build.. Aug 24 20:27:15 white_gecko: you'd have to run debian, then.. Aug 24 20:27:20 there is no apt Aug 24 20:27:22 Bill_: so no ipkg or apt-get yet for qtopia? is it on the way or should i just wait for 2008.8+1? Aug 24 20:27:25 i have openmoko Aug 24 20:27:30 white_gecko: right, it's in the debian distro Aug 24 20:27:38 KB: for full qtopia, nope Aug 24 20:28:02 AntonTakk: let me know in half an hour if it seems stable enough Aug 24 20:28:07 and how do i get the packagenames for opkg? Aug 24 20:28:38 ok Aug 24 20:28:57 Bill_: alright thanks... it's good to know.. i was planning on going back to the OM distros again, but have a hard time since it's not so stable yet... Aug 24 20:29:04 ah opkg list Aug 24 20:29:18 Is Xserver driving suspend to RAM ? My freerunner goes sleep after 15sec when Xserver is running (FSO distro). When I stop xserver, no more suspend . Aug 24 20:30:41 Bill_: did you take a look at that bugreport? was it the same issue you had? Aug 24 20:30:53 hmm Aug 24 20:30:58 the dfu-util wiki page says Aug 24 20:31:04 w_erase: it’s actually zhone that runs "apm -s" Aug 24 20:31:08 Ensure your phone is connected directly to the host computer by USB (not the USB-charger! :) Aug 24 20:31:16 it was a duplicate of 1766 actually Aug 24 20:31:24 but yes, the same Aug 24 20:31:35 I don't get that, so I use the usb a<->b cable that came with it? Aug 24 20:32:22 Bill_: i didn't see if there was a solution or workaround, but at least it's worth it to subscribe to the rss Aug 24 20:32:37 hm "python-pycairo" and "libcairo2" are up to date but i get the error "ImportError: No module named cairo" when i run pyPenNotes.py Aug 24 20:32:56 yup, seems so Aug 24 20:33:08 but as AntonTakk said.. it seems fixed in daily Aug 24 20:33:40 http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/24/1739200 Aug 24 20:37:29 so where are the american companies Aug 24 20:37:31 ? Aug 24 20:37:49 in america? Aug 24 20:38:00 (just guessing) Aug 24 20:38:53 People. Do you have crappy WiFi under Om2007.02 and Om2008.08? Like it hangs up after a while etc... Aug 24 20:40:20 nope.. worked just fine for me in 2007.2.. havent tried in 2008.8 Aug 24 20:40:36 ike: i had a reliable connection in 2008.8 for a while where i ssh'ed into it... but i didn't do much and it didn't sit for too long to really say other than it just didn't cut off this one time for a couple of hours doing almost nothing Aug 24 20:40:41 ike: works in 2007.2, but high latency Aug 24 20:40:55 (can't compare with 2008.8, just have my AP) Aug 24 20:41:23 KB, Zorkman: thanks. Aug 24 20:41:56 tuXXX: http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/24/1739200 <- READ Aug 24 20:42:06 Don't know if it's my fault but I am able to connect sometimes and it works. Sometimes I am unable to connect at all. And sometimes it connects to AP but it hangs after a while. Aug 24 20:42:15 And AP is like 30cm away from the Freerunner. Aug 24 20:42:25 What a crap. I'll test it with Debian later. Aug 24 20:43:22 ike.. mine worked without hickups.. quite many evenings.. Aug 24 20:43:35 30cm is not much. that can cause problems even with normal computers. Aug 24 20:43:36 and all that with wpa2-aes.. Aug 24 20:43:44 ike: things like microwave ovens can actually have a noticable difference in wifi if it's running and close to the setup and the wifi is set on certain channels... maybe it could be something like that? Aug 24 20:44:02 ike: only kernel should affect that Aug 24 20:44:24 ike: i don't see why testing completely different distros would help :/ Aug 24 20:45:04 lindi: i hope it's driver's or udhcp's fault. Aug 24 20:45:45 Or I f*cked something up. Aug 24 20:46:18 hi folks Aug 24 20:47:36 ike: it seems people here at least haven't experienced the same issues... so i think i'd say try it on a different wifi-network in a different location, to see if it's the network or interference or something... Aug 24 20:48:02 KB: will do. ;-) Aug 24 20:48:19 However I have some friends here who also encountered such problem. Aug 24 20:48:27 (with theirs Freerunners) Aug 24 20:49:02 As the topic says - it's not a stable or usable phone ;P Aug 24 20:49:33 ike: hmm... might not be just you then... Aug 24 20:49:52 well some parts can be quite stable :) Aug 24 20:51:52 Could i borrow some linux-god in here for a small linux issue? :) (even though this isnt the place i guess) Aug 24 20:52:13 Stupid wireless wont work, i guess i could almost call it a openmoko issue as i have the exact same issue with WPA on my phone as my laptop :P Aug 24 20:52:24 flexd: how small an issue? :) Aug 24 20:52:32 Well. It works sometimes very well. However if i'll do "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0;" it might doesn't connect at all. Or maybe it's udhcpc's fault since iwconfig eth0 shows correct network. Aug 24 20:52:37 too many options. Aug 24 20:52:45 I'm supposed to file bugs on zhone on the openmoko trac? Aug 24 20:52:47 KB: Not being able to get on a WPA protected network Aug 24 20:53:02 I know hostap *should* support WPA, i know the card should, yet, it's not doing anything :P Aug 24 20:53:08 flexd: you have to use wpa_supplicant Aug 24 20:53:11 i am Aug 24 20:53:16 http://doombox.org/log.txt Aug 24 20:53:19 There's the output Aug 24 20:53:34 it says the driver doesnt support WPA Aug 24 20:53:41 but.. hostap does support WPA :/ Aug 24 20:54:05 But, in ifconfig i have two interfaces, wifi0 and wlan0, but only one card Aug 24 20:54:11 Which leads me to believe two drivers are installed. Aug 24 20:54:20 why are you using the "hostap" driver? Aug 24 20:54:23 Even though orinoco drivers are in the modprobe blacklist Aug 24 20:54:36 Isn't hostap the right driver for prism2.5 chipsets? Aug 24 20:54:50 It was either that or orinoco, and i was told orinoco does not support WPA Aug 24 20:55:06 (im not talking about on the phone now, on my laptop, incase you were wondering) Aug 24 20:55:21 which driver are you using exactly? Aug 24 20:55:29 hostap is exactly the right driver for prism2.5 Aug 24 20:55:29 ike: is there a pattern in how long you can stay connected or can you sometimes be connected for longer periods than at other times? Aug 24 20:55:59 tuXXX: I am using hostap. Which is included in the kernel since 2.6.14 Aug 24 20:56:12 hmm I see Aug 24 20:56:38 It's a fresh ubuntu install Aug 24 20:56:55 I'm not sure what i did now though, but atm lshw -class network seems to show it as disabled. Aug 24 20:57:10 But it says configuration: driver=hostap, so it should be active :/ Aug 24 20:57:24 KB: not really. Aug 24 20:57:51 KB: well there is one thing though. Usually freshly booted Freerunner is able to connect to AP and aquire IP address. Aug 24 20:58:04 AntonTakk: how does the daily build feel? worth the try? Aug 24 20:58:06 hi folks Aug 24 20:58:10 tuXXX: I do have it connected by cable, so it's possible to ssh into. Aug 24 20:58:14 roh: anything about the 3G SIM issue? Aug 24 20:58:19 please where finding FSo feeds repository ? Aug 24 20:58:21 although several people keep telling me its very unwise to give other people access :p Aug 24 20:58:39 i try http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ipk/om-gta02/ Aug 24 20:58:58 it causes a segmentation fault when attempting to opkg upgrade Aug 24 20:59:34 is there some info on the rationale to develop a new package system, like opkg? Aug 24 20:59:44 flexd: I never used any prism hardware, so I can't say why it's not working, did you try the orinoco driver? Aug 24 20:59:49 b0ef: ipkg was unmaintained and buggy Aug 24 20:59:53 no idea? Aug 24 21:00:05 tuXXX: No, i am actually not sure how to enable/install it Aug 24 21:00:09 I'm quite new with linux stuff Aug 24 21:00:13 Wonka: right, but why not use dpkg? Aug 24 21:00:26 b0ef: too big for embedded? Aug 24 21:00:39 b0ef: anyway, it's a fork of ipkg Aug 24 21:00:44 ike: that does indicate it might be a dhcp thing then... if the first connect goes fine, then it might have trouble reconnecting because it stores you as already connected... i'm not sure at all, but it could be something along those lines Aug 24 21:00:54 Wonka: surely, it's not too big;) Aug 24 21:01:18 who ever wanted to use ipkg in the first place?!?!;) Aug 24 21:01:39 KB: I hope that it's a software related issue. However it's kinda hard for me to make it repeatable. Aug 24 21:01:42 Stupid ephemerals. Aug 24 21:01:43 those who developed it? Aug 24 21:02:01 right, so I'm looking for the rationale, cause it seems so absurd;) Aug 24 21:02:06 flexd: if it's already installed, just remove the hostap driver and load the orinoco driver (with resp. modprobe -r and modprobe) Aug 24 21:03:24 ike: well you can always try another distro from an SD card and see if that helps... it doesn't hurt to try... Aug 24 21:03:41 uhm, how do i remove if its installed? Aug 24 21:03:44 in use* Aug 24 21:04:14 with modprobe, it'll handle everything Aug 24 21:04:38 (rmmod works too of course) Aug 24 21:04:47 sudo mobprobe -r hostap complains it is in use Aug 24 21:05:26 well, try ifconfig down Aug 24 21:06:08 done that, on both interfaces, still it complains :/ Aug 24 21:06:09 KB: I will. Aug 24 21:06:21 But now - sleep. Good bye people. Aug 24 21:06:40 flexd: oh, run lsmod and see which module is using the one you try to remove Aug 24 21:07:47 ike: but since you have several freerunners and several wifi-networks available, i guess you can just do basic elimination... find something that works, so change the setup as much as possible and then go back... it's probably the easiest, when there's no obvious reason for the problem... Aug 24 21:08:29 tuXXX: hostap_pci was, so i removed that too Aug 24 21:08:55 seems orinoco is working now Aug 24 21:08:55 but Aug 24 21:09:01 i have no interface atm :) Aug 24 21:09:05 ... Aug 24 21:09:07 twice now Aug 24 21:09:24 i've run the battery down all the way Aug 24 21:09:24 flexd: so maybe the hostap driver was really the good one ^^' Aug 24 21:09:42 yea.. :p Aug 24 21:09:49 if you don't see anything in iwconfig... Aug 24 21:11:41 openmoko @ http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/24/1739200 Aug 24 21:12:28 nothing in iwconfig here. Aug 24 21:12:47 b0ef: opkg is 155kB uncompressed, including libopkg. the dpkg debian package file is 2MB, and it has dependencies. and dpkg cannot even download stuff by itself. Aug 24 21:12:53 b0ef: any further questions? Aug 24 21:13:48 Wonka: I don't think space is of any concern Aug 24 21:13:54 hmm, now its gone :/' Aug 24 21:13:55 b0ef: I do. Aug 24 21:14:09 a 8Gio SSD costs like a soda pop Aug 24 21:14:35 Does GTA02 support those? Aug 24 21:14:41 b0ef: 256MB is not much. a very small debian installation is 100MB. that's without anything graphical. Aug 24 21:14:59 viq: i have an 8GB microSDHC in mine, it works. Aug 24 21:15:20 b0ef: my rootfs on my notebook has 15GB used. Aug 24 21:15:22 Wonka: well, why would you want to install it on internal memory? Aug 24 21:15:39 b0ef: what's the internal flash for, then? Aug 24 21:15:53 Wonka: why use it?; it's crap;) Aug 24 21:16:04 is it any faster? Aug 24 21:16:08 b0ef, wonka: i agree with wonka... space is a concern... as is the speed of the programs... Aug 24 21:16:22 Wonka: cool, thanks Aug 24 21:16:48 KB: well, it's not like you take out the sd card too often, so why not have a 8Gio chip in there, for like a handful of lollipops? Aug 24 21:16:52 Is there any VPN for FreeRunner? Aug 24 21:17:13 b0ef: the microsdhc is accessed through the glamo chip. the 256mb internal flash is in the same package as the processor. guess which one is faster... Aug 24 21:17:31 viq: vpnc is there. haven't seen openvpn yet. Aug 24 21:17:41 Wonka: right, that's why I asked; you've measured it? Aug 24 21:17:58 Hm. OpenVPN or something talking IPSec would be nice. Aug 24 21:18:04 latency and throughput Aug 24 21:18:05 b0ef: no. but i know my microsdhc is a clas 4. so it won't do much about 4mbit/s Aug 24 21:18:16 b0ef: sure, you can make a beefed up distro for people that wanna pop in a good SD card, but not alot of people actually do that... besides, i bet opkg is more optimized and faster so it'll run better on something like the 400 mhz freerunner Aug 24 21:18:44 viq: search at the armstrong repos. i've read their stuff should be compatible somehow. Aug 24 21:18:50 tuXXX: But why hostap doesnt work with WPA? Aug 24 21:18:51 I dont know :p Aug 24 21:19:06 flexd: it did work or me and my PCI prism2.5 Aug 24 21:19:18 flexd: tried looking and config options? Aug 24 21:19:21 at, even Aug 24 21:19:24 Wonka: thanks Aug 24 21:19:35 Wonka: not much, im a bit new at this, not sure what im supposed to do :p Aug 24 21:19:52 I do have a cisco 350 pcmcia card though, i could try using that instead, but there's no interfaces showing up there either :/ Aug 24 21:19:55 OH Aug 24 21:20:04 viq: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/openvpn_2.0.9-r1_armv4t.ipk Aug 24 21:20:47 *install* Aug 24 21:21:30 just seen that... Aug 24 21:21:40 Wonka: oh, so it is there, cool. I think I am getting real tempted to get that phone ;) Aug 24 21:22:21 yeah... Aug 24 21:24:03 hrm. but no more vpnc. :( Aug 24 21:24:12 just not there. Aug 24 21:24:20 no wireless at univerity then, i fear. Aug 24 21:24:32 not without notebook at least. Aug 24 21:25:27 is there any development on a om browser? a la iphone Aug 24 21:25:40 http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/3573230/ Aug 24 21:26:15 piss off, Bruno Aug 24 21:26:28 i cant read it Aug 24 21:26:30 german Aug 24 21:27:03 very crappy issue Aug 24 21:27:13 ? Aug 24 21:27:20 my microSD card empties itself Aug 24 21:27:56 the thrre partitions i created yesterday, vanished ! Aug 24 21:28:57 have you heard of bug of this kind? Aug 24 21:29:06 yes Aug 24 21:29:10 yes Aug 24 21:29:33 an url please ? Aug 24 21:29:41 seems to be a recurrent bug, occuring for example on the olpc too Aug 24 21:29:59 happened to me too, several times Aug 24 21:30:14 i heard it was traced to some kernel bug... but don't ask me where Aug 24 21:32:39 kernel panic Aug 24 21:34:50 b0ef: reads of 64MB from internal flash and from microsdhc with dd (of=/dev/null) are about the same time Aug 24 21:35:24 b0ef: only conclusion i will draw from that is that neither is awfully slow Aug 24 21:38:29 Wonka: you've tried hdparm on it? Aug 24 21:38:43 top story of slashdot Aug 24 21:38:52 err Aug 24 21:38:55 newest story Aug 24 21:39:12 b0ef: no. hdparm is IDE stuff. Aug 24 21:39:37 b0ef: internal flash is MTD, external is mmcblk... no sense to even look at hdparm. Aug 24 21:40:13 Wonka: right, but it will measure it, regardless of whether it's an IDE drive Aug 24 21:42:35 Wonka: What kind of options? Aug 24 21:43:20 b0ef: oh, -tT? doing that now... Aug 24 21:43:33 yes Aug 24 21:44:00 it doesn't measure speed, though Aug 24 21:44:03 (latency) Aug 24 21:44:11 only capacity Aug 24 21:45:10 flexd: mh. don't see any that should influence WPA... Aug 24 21:45:21 flexd: what firmware version is on your card? Aug 24 21:45:40 /dev/mmcblk1p1: Aug 24 21:45:40 Timing cached reads: 84 MB in 2.03 seconds = 41.42 MB/sec Aug 24 21:45:48 Timing buffered disk reads: 10 MB in 3.53 seconds = 2.83 MB/sec Aug 24 21:45:50 how can i see? Aug 24 21:45:59 /dev/mtdblock6: Aug 24 21:45:59 Timing cached reads: 84 MB in 2.02 seconds = 41.58 MB/sec Aug 24 21:46:04 Timing buffered disk reads: 12 MB in 3.69 seconds = 3.25 MB/sec Aug 24 21:46:08 im not using a card atm Aug 24 21:46:14 its internal in a laptop Aug 24 21:46:19 flexd: dmesg output of hostap Aug 24 21:46:28 flexd: it's a minipci card then ;) Aug 24 21:46:47 yea Aug 24 21:46:55 or some sort of pcmcia-minibus thing Aug 24 21:47:04 weird laptop :p Aug 24 21:48:47 it says wifi0: Intersil Prism2.5 PCI Aug 24 21:48:52 then wifi= registerd netdevice wifi0 Aug 24 21:48:55 woot Aug 24 21:50:01 why does this "events/0" always use more than 20% of cpu time? Aug 24 21:50:19 isnt that the accelerometer or something? Aug 24 21:50:32 (am running top via ssh via wlan) Aug 24 21:51:58 lollerneod Aug 24 21:52:14 neod stinks Aug 24 21:52:24 if it was at least written in python... Aug 24 21:52:39 i want a power setting "dim, don't lock, don't suspend" Aug 24 21:53:10 the current "don't lock" is wrongly named... should be "don't suspend" Aug 24 22:03:18 is there a even a way to password protect om on startup? Aug 24 22:20:02 scp riseanshine.wav root@192.158.0.202:/media/card Aug 24 22:20:17 what is wrong with that? Aug 24 22:20:31 158 Aug 24 22:20:38 should be 168 Aug 24 22:20:49 ookk Aug 24 22:21:17 i notice there's no /var/log/dmesg on the OS Aug 24 22:21:40 how seeing the log when shutting it down? Aug 24 22:23:21 Hmm, is there a point in trying ndiswrapper? Or is that totally outdated? Aug 24 22:23:49 Wonka/tuXXX Aug 24 22:23:52 isnt that for running windows drivers .. ? Aug 24 22:24:04 it is Aug 24 22:24:12 i won't touch it. Aug 24 22:24:13 and you want to run it where? Aug 24 22:24:16 Which is a horrible way to do it (talking about my problem earlier) Aug 24 22:24:20 zash: on my laptop Aug 24 22:24:22 ah Aug 24 22:24:30 as im struggeling with WPA support for a prism2.5 card Aug 24 22:24:31 slaxxin: try scp riseanshine.wav root@192.158.0.202:/media/card/ Aug 24 22:24:42 slaxxin: /media/card does already exist. Aug 24 22:24:46 Wonka: it's not 192.158, its 192.168. Aug 24 22:25:14 but bbl, gotta sleep, school tomorrow :| Aug 24 22:25:23 flexd: that too. but i only copypasted that from his question ;) Aug 24 22:32:58 which image/distro/build system should I use to do gps app development? Aug 24 22:33:04 should I stay away from gpsd? Aug 24 22:37:35 maybe gypsy isn't ready Aug 24 22:59:33 has anyone been succesful in connecting to a bluetooth headset? Aug 24 23:04:11 so nobody Aug 24 23:04:16 has anyone tried it? Aug 24 23:05:21 oy vey Aug 24 23:05:37 * rooly|away can't write a bluetooth headset app if he can't get bluetooth working, now can he Aug 24 23:06:01 or can u.... Aug 24 23:06:26 for some reason, it's rejecting the pin i send it Aug 24 23:07:59 any ideas, raster? Aug 24 23:08:17 idea 1: pants on Aug 24 23:08:23 's a good idea Aug 24 23:08:31 idea 2: get jiggy Aug 24 23:08:39 but i was leaning more towards the "why does my bluetooth headset refuse the connection" Aug 24 23:09:07 nfi Aug 24 23:09:14 yeah.... Aug 24 23:09:23 it seems to refuse the pin for some reason Aug 24 23:09:24 i dont even have such a contraption - nor have i ever used one Aug 24 23:09:37 but you know how those smartphone users are Aug 24 23:09:41 must have their bluetooth headset Aug 24 23:10:53 passkey-agent -default... Aug 24 23:12:01 no idea Aug 24 23:12:22 this whole bluetooth headset thing popped up while i lived in japan - which has until recently remained pretty bluetooth-free Aug 24 23:12:40 yeah, but they don't drive alot in japan Aug 24 23:12:48 not much need for a hands-free device Aug 24 23:13:16 actually its pretty much rude to speak on the phone in a train - or a car too Aug 24 23:13:17 and yes Aug 24 23:13:20 less driving Aug 24 23:13:28 then there's that, yeah Aug 24 23:13:31 * rooly|away sighs Aug 24 23:13:35 wuhtuhfuh Aug 24 23:13:47 also bluetooth allows data transfer ofo your phone... withouy paying the telco! Aug 24 23:13:54 the .jp telco's can't have that! Aug 24 23:13:59 lol Aug 24 23:14:01 you want your photos.. email them to yourself@! Aug 24 23:14:04 wifi too Aug 24 23:14:09 yup Aug 24 23:14:16 a cable connection Aug 24 23:14:22 a debug board Aug 24 23:14:24 ... Aug 24 23:14:29 * rooly|away sighs again Aug 24 23:19:36 * rooly|away screams Aug 24 23:28:41 heh Aug 24 23:28:47 Raster! Aug 24 23:33:28 dave Aug 24 23:33:28 wtf Aug 24 23:33:32 why won't it connect Aug 24 23:43:39 scp step root@192.168.0.202:/media/card/musicc Aug 24 23:43:39 root@192.168.0.202's password: Aug 24 23:43:39 step: not a regular file Aug 24 23:43:49 What are you talking about? Aug 24 23:43:54 huuhuu Aug 24 23:44:02 why will that folder "step" not copy to the sdcard? Aug 24 23:45:08 not a regular file wth is that Aug 24 23:45:20 ima noob Aug 24 23:45:36 slaxxin, Aug 24 23:45:40 ya Aug 24 23:45:57 scp -r step root@192.168.0.202:/media/card/music/ Aug 24 23:46:06 ok Aug 24 23:46:10 thanks Aug 24 23:46:11 (-r means "recursive) Aug 24 23:48:11 recursive is/ Aug 24 23:48:38 it looks in subfiles and folders Aug 24 23:48:48 ok Aug 24 23:52:00 best to use mp3 on sdcard/ Aug 24 23:52:02 ? Aug 24 23:52:51 mp3 or ogg Aug 24 23:52:57 i've found those to work Aug 24 23:53:01 ok Aug 24 23:53:36 i got some .wav right now Aug 24 23:56:28 .wav would work as well Aug 24 23:56:35 John Kay & Steppenwolf - 08 - Rock'n Roll War.wav 100% 72MB 155.7KB/s 07:5 Aug 24 23:56:44 its huge Aug 24 23:56:53 jesus man Aug 25 00:10:21 big file Aug 25 00:10:40 so...thi is rather annnoying at best Aug 25 00:12:22 so is fat the format for the sdcard if im going to store music an orher stuff? Aug 25 00:13:31 still on the bluetooth headset? Aug 25 00:13:37 heh Aug 25 00:13:48 did u get a linux compatible device? Aug 25 00:14:08 wintooth Aug 25 00:15:41 whats the maximum size file u can use as a ringtone? Aug 25 00:16:12 all kinda stupid questions Aug 25 00:32:12 I get `dfu_upload error -62' when I try to back up my rootfs with dfu-util Aug 25 00:32:25 New phone, just got it yesterday. Pretty much default everything Aug 25 00:32:35 what computer are you on Daenyth? Aug 25 00:32:45 archlinux i686 Aug 25 00:33:02 can you upload stuff? Aug 25 00:33:11 I uploaded the kernel Aug 25 00:33:23 try again? Aug 25 00:33:39 it took 20-30+ minutes for it to error out Aug 25 00:34:47 hmm. dfu-util is broken on big-endian systems. i wonder if that's it... Aug 25 00:35:04 I thought x86 was little-endian Aug 25 00:36:21 dfu-util -U is broken. Check Trac for details (#676 and some other, more recent bug) Aug 25 00:36:29 hrm Aug 25 00:36:37 if -U is broken then how did I get the kernel uploaded 0.o Aug 25 00:37:07 broken = data corruption, even if it reports succes Aug 25 00:37:11 oof Aug 25 00:37:16 so I can't back up then Aug 25 00:37:17 hrm Aug 25 00:37:27 but I can get images of the default 2007.2? Aug 25 00:37:32 if I need to restore? Aug 25 00:37:47 should still be on downloads.openmoko.org Aug 25 00:37:53 alright Aug 25 00:38:11 is there any particular build I should try? Aug 25 00:39:33 not really - just pick one (or try a few of them) Aug 25 00:39:37 mmk Aug 25 00:41:48 Daenyth: if you want to backup either dd your flash to file on sd and send it back afterward (full flash image) to pc or use tar + netcat on moko and netcat on pc (tar.bz2/tar.gz file) Aug 25 00:42:13 hrm Aug 25 00:46:35 torindel: how can I do that while it's booted though? dd I mean Aug 25 00:46:39 I guess I could just tar / Aug 25 00:47:47 dd if=/dev/mtdblk4 of=/media/card/system.bin (or something like that) Aug 25 00:48:27 you can use tar + nc too Aug 25 00:49:11 or dd + nc Aug 25 00:49:38 in general netcat is preffered Aug 25 00:49:58 as it speeds things up since you wont have to write to sd Aug 25 00:50:03 right Aug 25 00:50:22 er, nc -L -p > backup.img? Aug 25 00:50:33 assuming dd | nc Aug 25 00:50:36 -p port^ Aug 25 00:51:21 nc -l -p 1234 > outfile on one side Aug 25 00:51:43 dd if=blabla | nc -w 3 othermachine 1234 on other Aug 25 00:52:00 (of=- might be required for dd, i dunno) Aug 25 00:52:20 mmk Aug 25 00:52:52 why are FSO and ASU not merged? Aug 25 00:59:26 and which one has a future? Aug 25 00:59:57 FSO if you mean backend Aug 25 01:02:40 why arent they put together? Aug 25 01:03:58 why arent you helping putting them together yet? Aug 25 01:04:16 >.< Aug 25 01:04:47 my coding skills are all in java nad even those leave a ton to be desired Aug 25 01:05:43 well you can always learn something new ;] Aug 25 01:07:10 but seriously, wouldnt it save a lot of time and effort to consolidate the two projects into one instead of just killing ASU Aug 25 01:09:42 seriously there was plan to switch asu to use fso stuff Aug 25 01:10:04 was? Aug 25 01:10:17 is Aug 25 01:10:37 is? Aug 25 01:10:40 Where? Aug 25 01:10:51 unlike the SHR, I don Aug 25 01:11:30 unlike the SHR, I don't see much in the way of organization. Aug 25 01:11:56 Unless there has been a project page for ASU that I didn't know of. Aug 25 01:12:09 When I try to start mofi it crashes and says that it can't load the cairo module, but I have python-pycairo installed Aug 25 01:14:28 How can I get it working? Aug 25 01:25:04 haaa my desktop is now missing Aug 25 01:25:37 ima going to put well i dont know Aug 25 01:43:40 i need a new image Aug 25 01:43:44 Don't we all. Aug 25 01:43:54 whats the suggestion Aug 25 01:44:15 im putting rasters on now Aug 25 01:44:34 heh Aug 25 01:44:35 dave i have 2008.8? Aug 25 01:44:36 good luck Aug 25 01:44:42 I don't know what you have. Aug 25 01:44:49 but 2008.8 sucks Aug 25 01:44:51 (still) :P Aug 25 01:45:01 wat u have/ Aug 25 01:45:18 qtopia? Aug 25 01:45:52 dave what are u running on Aug 25 01:46:29 im thinking something will happen soon Aug 25 01:47:11 im thinking a qtopia daily maybe Aug 25 01:48:38 yea i have had 2008.8 for a while now an it does suck Aug 25 01:51:06 yeah yeah Aug 25 01:51:09 it will get better Aug 25 01:51:19 fso is supposedly going to have a milestone 3 soon Aug 25 01:51:21 *shrugs* Aug 25 01:51:34 qtopia should be updating soon and have a browser, whenever that day comes Aug 25 01:51:42 My primary freerunner runs 2007.2 Aug 25 01:51:57 I'm using the latest openmoko buildhost image for that Aug 25 01:52:03 It works well, as far as I'm concerned. Aug 25 01:52:15 and I do prefer it over ASU, and it's fugly friends, still. Aug 25 01:59:18 I'm looking for an image also Aug 25 01:59:36 I have been reading the wiki but when I go to the url with the image files, there's so many and i don't know which one to take Aug 25 01:59:42 any advice? Aug 25 02:00:16 How many FreeRunners do you have, Dave? Aug 25 02:05:41 * johngay beats Dave up and takes his extra FreeRunners. Aug 25 02:09:25 Daenyth: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download Aug 25 02:14:09 thanks.. Aug 25 02:14:31 I'm trying to install the qtopia image to my sd card and I'm horribly confused Aug 25 02:15:00 I'm stuck at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia#Unpacking_the_Qtopia_Root_Filesystem_Image Aug 25 02:15:13 specifically, mounting the jffs2 part Aug 25 02:16:20 do I run that on my desktop? The freerunner seems to have a 2.6.24 kernel, and that says the instructions are for .25 Aug 25 02:18:14 maybe I'll skip it Aug 25 02:21:41 Daenyth: run it on your desktop Aug 25 02:21:54 think of it as an iso image of a cd you wish to mount on your computer to get to the files Aug 25 02:23:22 eh, already removed the files :< Aug 25 02:27:44 should gsm,wifi,bluetooth be shut down during opkg upgrade? Aug 25 02:30:27 It doesn't matter. Aug 25 02:30:32 http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/ Aug 25 02:30:41 woo, go xora Aug 25 02:30:45 heh Aug 25 02:30:47 i thought rasters stuff was 2007.2 Aug 25 02:32:25 bah, I broke google again Aug 25 02:32:27 :x Aug 25 02:32:40 raster's stuff is illume in fso or asu or something Aug 25 02:32:46 ok Aug 25 02:32:51 I'm pretty sure it's FSO2 Aug 25 02:33:00 ok Aug 25 02:33:07 i try it Aug 25 02:35:29 well it might be borked now Aug 25 02:35:39 heh Aug 25 02:35:41 Whatever Aug 25 02:35:49 All I can say is I favor 2007.2 Aug 25 02:36:16 some kind of e17 error mess ge Aug 25 02:37:34 o_O Aug 25 02:39:08 pong Aug 25 02:42:14 dong Aug 25 02:42:19 whats going on again? Aug 25 02:42:46 * rooly|away likes 2007.2 also Aug 25 02:42:50 more spartan Aug 25 02:43:41 i don't USE 2007.2 however Aug 25 02:45:13 I just did an opkg upgrade and now the icons for bluetooth, wifi, battery, etc are all gone Aug 25 02:45:27 oh wait, kernel update, should probably reboot.. Aug 25 02:47:08 :) Aug 25 02:47:25 daenyth, yeah you should Aug 25 02:47:38 Daenyth, and in the future you just have to restart X for the icons to return :) Aug 25 02:47:43 ah, thanks Aug 25 02:47:47 sigh Aug 25 02:47:50 wish it had pacman.. Aug 25 02:47:56 though if the kernel actually upgrades, yeah you probably would want to reboot if you wanted to use it :) Aug 25 02:47:59 oh man Aug 25 02:48:01 :D Aug 25 02:48:04 pacman using accelerometers! Aug 25 02:48:04 :D Aug 25 02:48:08 haha Aug 25 02:48:15 * rooly|away has found a rather simple method to make sure new program icons show up first Aug 25 02:48:16 \o/ Aug 25 02:48:17 noo Aug 25 02:48:21 pacman the package manager Aug 25 02:48:23 from archlinux :P Aug 25 02:48:26 OH Aug 25 02:48:27 bah! Aug 25 02:48:42 :P Aug 25 02:48:44 well, both would be good :) Aug 25 02:49:08 :) Aug 25 02:49:12 True enough :D Aug 25 02:50:22 SKITTLES Aug 25 02:50:26 damnit Aug 25 02:50:29 I still can't start mofi Aug 25 02:50:38 can't import the cairo module Aug 25 02:50:43 I have python-pycairo installed... Aug 25 02:51:03 anyone? Aug 25 02:51:33 bah, and I still can't connect to my wep network anyway Aug 25 02:51:38 aww Aug 25 02:52:57 yay Aug 25 02:53:01 school starts tomorrow Aug 25 02:53:03 at 9 am Aug 25 02:53:05 w00t Aug 25 02:54:04 * CVirus is stuck with his summer makeup exams Aug 25 02:54:14 CVirus: eyeliner? Aug 25 02:54:32 lol Aug 25 02:56:25 is there anything special I have to do to get gps working? using the test software I get all fails for my fixes Aug 25 02:56:45 Daenyth: freerunner? And have you put a recentish kernel on it? Aug 25 02:56:50 Daenyth, do this: "cat /etc/default/gpsd" Aug 25 02:56:52 ShellEvil: I did opkg upgrade Aug 25 02:57:07 GPS_DEV="/dev/ttySAC1" Aug 25 02:57:10 kk Aug 25 02:57:16 well... Aug 25 02:57:32 does it recognize your gps exists but just takes forever to get a lock Aug 25 02:57:37 or does it not even recognize it Aug 25 02:57:42 I haven't gotten a lock yet Aug 25 02:58:05 ShellEvil: apart from the opkg thing, I haven't flashed it or anything... so I don't know Aug 25 02:58:11 I'm not yet familiar with the internals Aug 25 02:58:45 Daenyth: you need a recent kernel - a couple of weeks or so - for the GPS SD interference reduction patches Aug 25 02:58:50 hrm Aug 25 02:58:54 so I need to flash it? Aug 25 02:59:00 yeah Aug 25 02:59:04 ok Aug 25 02:59:14 dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage.bin Aug 25 02:59:25 yeah, just gotta figure out which image to download **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 25 02:59:57 2008