**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 29 02:59:58 2008
Aug 29 03:00:02 <UndrWater> rooly: and who was the coroner?
Aug 29 03:00:14 <alphabeat> glamo's not dead. it's merely ah....resting!
Aug 29 03:00:43 <UndrWater> CVirus: if you manage to do that...please DON'T take pictures! 
Aug 29 03:01:43 <CVirus> hehe
Aug 29 03:01:52 <raster> remember swap to sd woudl be to
Aug 29 03:02:00 <raster> 1. a slow IO channel 2mb/sec
Aug 29 03:02:14 <ShellEvil> raster: what's the fastest that SD will go on FR?
Aug 29 03:02:19 <Infinyte> Ah, I guess it didn't work. Probably need to install wirelesstools or whatever and such. route del default gw 192.168.0.200 actually broke my connection. >_> How do I put it back? XD
Aug 29 03:02:19 <ShellEvil> (I get 3M/s on GTA01)
Aug 29 03:02:39 <raster> 2. via the glamo whihc is known to have suspend/resume problems (corruption etc). (u really want your memory to get screwwed if it goes in/out of swap?)
Aug 29 03:02:49 <raster> also glamo has other lockup/race conditions
Aug 29 03:03:14 <raster> i wouldnt dream of swap on a phone - letalone over an incredibly slow io channel.. even letalone over a less-than-reliable IO channel
Aug 29 03:03:16 <raster> :)
Aug 29 03:03:29 <raster> ShellEvil:  the fastest i've seen is about 2.something mb/sec
Aug 29 03:03:33 <raster> 2;3 or 2.4
Aug 29 03:03:35 <ShellEvil> raster: works fine on GTA01. (though it's silly)
Aug 29 03:03:36 <ShellEvil> K
Aug 29 03:03:41 <alphabeat> Infinyte: route add default gw 192.168.0.200
Aug 29 03:03:42 <UndrWater> on tangogps...how does one know that the map download is complete?
Aug 29 03:03:49 <Infinyte> Ah, makes sense. XD
Aug 29 03:03:58 <raster> in fact same speed as nand flash
Aug 29 03:04:02 <raster> give or take
Aug 29 03:05:13 <UndrWater> swap worked really well for my zaurus...but it was cf hd
Aug 29 03:05:18 <alphabeat> Infinyte: what happened?
Aug 29 03:05:51 <UndrWater> oh...looks like there's a countdown
Aug 29 03:05:51 <Infinyte> I'll be able to tell you in a few minutes.
Aug 29 03:05:58 <alphabeat> ok
Aug 29 03:06:05 <dbmoodb> raster: that's no excuse for not imporoving it. like.. if you guys signed a nda get it to atleast do some video rendering / speed up what we can do with it during intensive graphics use only then shut it off.
Aug 29 03:06:16 <Infinyte> Hey, an idea though. Any way to make the Neo's actual hard disk into a swap file that debian could use? :O
Aug 29 03:06:35 * rooly wonders why anyone would want to do that
Aug 29 03:06:35 <SpeedEvil> 'actual hard disk' ?
Aug 29 03:06:47 <alphabeat> nand i guess
Aug 29 03:06:52 <dbmoodb> .. personaly i don't care if you have to restart x to play a video at full speed.
Aug 29 03:07:01 <Infinyte> Well whatever it's called. That 256 megs of space that's internal.
Aug 29 03:07:10 <SpeedEvil> Infinyte: you really don't want to do that.
Aug 29 03:07:16 <dbmoodb> atm its not able to really do that much.
Aug 29 03:07:18 <Infinyte> Haha, kay. >_>
Aug 29 03:07:22 <SpeedEvil> Infinyte: it's got a finite life.
Aug 29 03:07:36 <alphabeat> these are the swap locations you're looking for 
Aug 29 03:07:36 <alphabeat> /me waves hand 
Aug 29 03:07:36 <SpeedEvil> Infinyte: and more importantly, can't be replaced.
Aug 29 03:07:40 <alphabeat> *aren't
Aug 29 03:07:44 <raster> dbmoodb:  eh?
Aug 29 03:07:46 <Infinyte> xD
Aug 29 03:07:53 <dbmoodb> glamo.
Aug 29 03:08:07 <Infinyte> So, can we get illume on Debian yet?
Aug 29 03:08:33 <UndrWater> does glamo have some kind of potential that we're not reaching?  
Aug 29 03:08:40 <raster> dbmoodb: what are u talking about? i was talking about dsio for sd card that goes via glamo? nothing to do with rendering?
Aug 29 03:11:42 <dbmoodb> iah ?
Aug 29 03:11:58 <dbmoodb> i thought the glamo wasn't done properly even with the sdcard slowing it down.... am i wrong ?
Aug 29 03:12:30 <Infinyte> Any news on the specs for the Neo 3? ;D
Aug 29 03:13:18 <CVirus> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03_revisions
Aug 29 03:13:32 <Infinyte> Ahh
Aug 29 03:16:32 <paroneayea> isn't there some "special" command for shutting down OM?
Aug 29 03:16:49 <paroneayea> shutdown -h now doesn't seem to be it
Aug 29 03:17:13 <alphabeat> paroneayea: really? what does it say?
Aug 29 03:17:30 <paroneayea> last time it kind of just hung there
Aug 29 03:17:33 <paroneayea> but that was a flaky image
Aug 29 03:17:37 <paroneayea> I'll try again from here
Aug 29 03:18:10 <paroneayea> oh
Aug 29 03:18:16 <paroneayea> once again I didn't know what I was talking about
Aug 29 03:18:17 <paroneayea> surprise!
Aug 29 03:18:29 <alphabeat> success!
Aug 29 03:19:16 <UndrWater> yay
Aug 29 03:20:35 <Infinyte> Blah, they're putting a camera. :\
Aug 29 03:21:26 <alphabeat> bad?
Aug 29 03:21:35 <Infinyte> Just seems like a waste to me
Aug 29 03:21:56 <Infinyte> Considering it'll be to low of quality to be of any real use (Like the majority of phones nowadays)
Aug 29 03:22:33 <alphabeat> maybe it's about the possibilities of applications you can make and tie the camera in with gps etc
Aug 29 03:22:56 <Infinyte> Hmm, I admit that's a pretty interesting idea.
Aug 29 03:23:25 <UndrWater> but with host, you can do that with external camera anyway....clip-on maybe?
Aug 29 03:23:25 <alphabeat> i want to turn one into a UAV ;) 
Aug 29 03:23:39 <alphabeat> UndrWater: less mess/power etc
Aug 29 03:23:46 <UndrWater> ahh
Aug 29 03:24:19 <UndrWater> mess i don't mind...power...of course i mind ;)
Aug 29 03:24:58 <UndrWater> maybe camera "module"
Aug 29 03:25:12 <Infinyte> When we gonna get 3G?
Aug 29 03:25:15 <Infinyte> GTA4? :p
Aug 29 03:25:42 <alphabeat> i think it's one of those frequently asked questions which you can't ask Infinyte ;)
Aug 29 03:25:49 <Infinyte> <,<
Aug 29 03:26:01 <Infinyte> Meh, I'm to newb to get GMRS working anways
Aug 29 03:26:07 <dbmoodb> gprs ?
Aug 29 03:26:13 <Infinyte> Yes that
Aug 29 03:26:16 <UndrWater> yikes...let's get non-3g working consistently ;)
Aug 29 03:26:28 <alphabeat> i almost got mine working!
Aug 29 03:26:29 <Infinyte> See, can't even spit the right acronym out. :P
Aug 29 03:27:51 <dbmoodb> pft lets just give up on it being a phone rofl.
Aug 29 03:28:15 <dbmoodb> what's wrong with gprs atm ? works fine for me (haven't used it for long periods)
Aug 29 03:28:18 <lpotter> it works as a phone if you have the right software on it
Aug 29 03:28:27 <Infinyte> I'm sure nothing's wrong with it.
Aug 29 03:28:32 <Infinyte> I just don't know how to make it work.
Aug 29 03:28:33 <Infinyte> ;P
Aug 29 03:28:49 <dbmoodb> well.. got the settings for it...
Aug 29 03:28:55 <Infinyte> Did that
Aug 29 03:29:00 <dbmoodb> .. get an ip ?
Aug 29 03:29:04 <Infinyte> Yeah
Aug 29 03:29:21 <alphabeat> what Os dbmoodb? Infinyte?
Aug 29 03:29:22 <dbmoodb> so your apn is probably wrong then. i opened wireshark and had good look.
Aug 29 03:29:28 <dbmoodb> debian.
Aug 29 03:29:35 <Infinyte> Debian
Aug 29 03:29:43 <alphabeat> ah right. wireshark runs alright on the phone?
Aug 29 03:29:53 <dbmoodb> why wouldn't it ?
Aug 29 03:29:54 <Infinyte> What's wireshark?
Aug 29 03:30:16 <alphabeat> *shrugs* 
Aug 29 03:30:21 <UndrWater> new name for grrr...can't remember old name ;)
Aug 29 03:30:25 <UndrWater> network analysis
Aug 29 03:30:27 <Infinyte> I mean
Aug 29 03:30:29 <paroneayea> ethereal was the old name
Aug 29 03:30:30 <Infinyte> What's it d- Ah. >_>
Aug 29 03:30:42 <dbmoodb> alphabeat: i want / should build some rt73 modules for my phone... anyone know how i go about doing this ... like where isthe framework 2 kernel...
Aug 29 03:30:42 <UndrWater> right! ethereal!
Aug 29 03:30:45 <alphabeat> i ran out of room on my sdcard so i couldn't try out a few programs i wanted to try
Aug 29 03:31:08 <dbmoodb> mm i have an 8gb sdcard no.... i got a few gb free ;)
Aug 29 03:31:12 <dbmoodb> so*
Aug 29 03:31:28 <alphabeat> heh yeah i read that. SA yeah? 
Aug 29 03:31:44 <dbmoodb> can't get voip working or record any audio.... still don't know the mixer settings.
Aug 29 03:31:57 <dbmoodb> it makes phone calls tho.
Aug 29 03:32:17 <UndrWater> is there a SIP phone in a repo?
Aug 29 03:32:37 <dbmoodb> in openmoko i have no idea. on debian... well its debian (yes).
Aug 29 03:32:42 <UndrWater> :D
Aug 29 03:32:48 <UndrWater> i'll check it out on deb side
Aug 29 03:33:17 <UndrWater> which is the typical one? ekiga?
Aug 29 03:33:30 <Infinyte> Who else is glad they didn't buy an iPhone? ;D
Aug 29 03:33:31 <dbmoodb> ah ekiga... linphone... twinkle... ihu.... etc. etc.
Aug 29 03:34:02 <dbmoodb> Infinyte: not me. :) but an iphone is $800 + some. this is like cheap.
Aug 29 03:34:13 <Infinyte> holyforkz
Aug 29 03:34:14 <Infinyte> What?
Aug 29 03:34:25 <dbmoodb> well the iphone has a bigger screen and is more touchable
Aug 29 03:34:32 <Infinyte> I thought the iPhone was cheaper?
Aug 29 03:34:39 <dbmoodb> Infinyte: not in australia
Aug 29 03:34:50 <dbmoodb> its a total rip off here.
Aug 29 03:34:52 <Infinyte> Ah I'm sorry. :<
Aug 29 03:35:06 <Infinyte> Well, Apple sucks anyways
Aug 29 03:35:11 <Agrajag-> i heard the iphone can actually make/receive calls/sms though
Aug 29 03:35:17 <alphabeat> more touchable. hehe
Aug 29 03:35:20 <dbmoodb> like... i would buy one because you can jail brake it not for the actual phone. alphabeat i can sms and make calls too.
Aug 29 03:35:40 <alphabeat> kk
Aug 29 03:36:02 <dbmoodb> i wanted this for voip but... ther is no voip yet.
Aug 29 03:36:46 <alphabeat> all in time i guess
Aug 29 03:37:14 <dbmoodb> + tango gps is neat the gps on this phone is mad good.
Aug 29 03:37:45 <dbmoodb> once you get a lock you rarely loose it... rofl i left it on in my bag come back a few hours later after moving around a fair amount (its in my back pack). pull it out and the whole trip was logged
Aug 29 03:37:59 <Infinyte> Huh that's odd. I just went and checked, and that swap space IS on my SD card. But the phone still don't notice it.
Aug 29 03:38:21 <alphabeat> you might need to activate it Infinyte
Aug 29 03:38:28 <Infinyte> How would I do that?
Aug 29 03:38:29 <dbmoodb> swapfile on ?
Aug 29 03:38:34 <dbmoodb> swapon* 
Aug 29 03:38:35 <alphabeat> mkswap /dev/blah; swapon
Aug 29 03:39:13 <Infinyte> Dang, I can't remember what partition it's on
Aug 29 03:39:19 <alphabeat> fdisk -l
Aug 29 03:39:30 <Infinyte> Hmm lesse..
Aug 29 03:39:39 <Infinyte> Oh, must be that one. >_>
Aug 29 03:39:45 <UndrWater> moko is more touchable than iphone...iphone is only finger touchable...moko can be touched by anything ;) 
Aug 29 03:39:55 <alphabeat> stop right there
Aug 29 03:40:10 <alphabeat> i guess it does have multitouch though ...
Aug 29 03:40:23 <alphabeat> but not being able to use stylus for certain things is a drawback
Aug 29 03:40:43 <UndrWater> didn't make any judgement
Aug 29 03:42:13 <Infinyte> Yay, it's on. For all intents and purposes. Will it turn itself back on on boot?
Aug 29 03:42:42 <alphabeat> wireless? 
Aug 29 03:42:51 <Infinyte> No, the swap
Aug 29 03:42:57 <alphabeat> if it's in /etc/fstab
Aug 29 03:43:14 <slaxxin> moko has a screen edge guard where the iphone has NONE
Aug 29 03:43:38 <Infinyte> Ah okay. Lemme check that..
Aug 29 03:43:54 <alphabeat> so you should have a line in /etc/fstab saying: /dev/sdx none swap sw 0 0
Aug 29 03:44:02 <slaxxin> that sdcard is gonna BLOW
Aug 29 03:44:45 <slaxxin> still under warrenty:()_
Aug 29 03:45:24 <Infinyte> It probably won't even use the swap file. But I like that it's there. >_>
Aug 29 03:45:32 <slaxxin> whats an good mobile homepage thats setup good?
Aug 29 03:45:41 <Infinyte> google.com?
Aug 29 03:45:41 <Infinyte> >_>
Aug 29 03:46:02 <slaxxin> i saw the google/mobile
Aug 29 03:46:06 <alphabeat> m.reddit.com ;)
Aug 29 03:47:19 <Infinyte> There should be like, 2GB of space in the Moko itself.
Aug 29 03:47:29 <Infinyte> <_<
Aug 29 03:47:30 <Infinyte> They do it on thumb drives. ;D
Aug 29 03:47:51 <alphabeat> well you can always plug a little 8gb microsd in ;)
Aug 29 03:48:09 <Infinyte> Yeah but, wouldn't it be faster if it was from the internal space?
Aug 29 03:48:18 <alphabeat> yeah
Aug 29 03:48:24 <Infinyte> My point exactly.
Aug 29 03:48:24 <Infinyte> ;D
Aug 29 03:53:13 <alphabeat> hmm...anyone know why i'd get segfaults trying to install packages on fso?
Aug 29 03:53:22 <Infinyte> Kay, swap working, Wifi working. Err, wanna clean up my route thing though. I did route del for the 192.168.0.200, but the genmask for usb0 still appears in it. How can I get rid of that?
Aug 29 03:53:38 <alphabeat> oh that one's ok
Aug 29 03:53:45 <Infinyte> Oh okay.
Aug 29 03:53:53 <alphabeat> as long as you've only got 1 default (Flag: G)
Aug 29 03:53:58 <Infinyte> Oh one other thing. Any way to set time and NOT have it reset on reboot?
Aug 29 03:54:15 <alphabeat> hwclock --systohc
Aug 29 03:55:04 <Infinyte> How do I specify the parameters? Or does that make it ask me for them?
Aug 29 03:55:41 <Infinyte> Oh wait. First I set the clock on the phone, then I put that in and it'll hardwrite it to the phone?
Aug 29 03:55:54 <Infinyte> So to speak
Aug 29 03:57:24 <Infinyte> Perfect! :D
Aug 29 03:58:35 <Infinyte> Y
Aug 29 03:58:38 <Infinyte> Oops.
Aug 29 03:58:50 <Infinyte> COnfused this with my terminal for a second.
Aug 29 04:00:36 <Infinyte> Yes, the GPS on this works great. Speaking of which, what's a good setting for the map download for say.. A 30 mile radius?
Aug 29 04:01:31 <alphabeat> using tangogps?
Aug 29 04:01:35 <Infinyte> Aye
Aug 29 04:01:55 <alphabeat> just zoom out and click download and choose how many levels you want
Aug 29 04:03:30 <Infinyte> Ahkay
Aug 29 04:07:16 <Infinyte> Is there anything even lighter than xfce that can be used efficiently?
Aug 29 04:08:31 <abraxa_> Infinyte: matchbox.
Aug 29 04:08:44 <SpeedEvil> lighter isn't really a problem.
Aug 29 04:08:50 <Infinyte> matchbox?
Aug 29 04:09:10 <SpeedEvil> FR/neo1973 are quite fast - as far as basic WMs go
Aug 29 04:09:29 <SpeedEvil> It's only a 640*480 display anyway.
Aug 29 04:09:49 <Infinyte> That's a good point. Know what'd look awesome though? e17 and Illume. :D
Aug 29 04:10:29 <abraxa_> Infinyte: You haven't heard of 2008.8, have you?
Aug 29 04:10:55 <Infinyte> It's on my phone
Aug 29 04:11:11 <Infinyte> Love the keyboard
Aug 29 04:11:15 <Infinyte> Rest of it not so much.
Aug 29 04:11:16 <Infinyte> :<
Aug 29 04:12:18 <abraxa_> Oh ok
Aug 29 04:12:33 <Infinyte> This matchbox thing looks interesting
Aug 29 04:12:49 <Infinyte> Is it completely left-click based?
Aug 29 04:13:28 <abraxa_> It's made specifically for embedded devices, so...
Aug 29 04:13:35 <Infinyte> Ah. XD
Aug 29 04:13:39 <abraxa_> And 2007.2 uses it.
Aug 29 04:13:56 <Infinyte> What's it based off of?
Aug 29 04:14:21 <Infinyte> I mean like, gtk or qt?
Aug 29 04:14:23 <dgym_> openmoko-debian also uses matchbox
Aug 29 04:14:42 <abraxa_> http://matchbox-project.org
Aug 29 04:15:14 <Infinyte> Anyone tried it yet? Err, actually. Does it recognize battery levels?
Aug 29 04:18:10 <Infinyte> Oo, the me like the screen shots. xP Is it stable though?
Aug 29 04:18:42 <abraxa_> Openmoko uses it. Maemo uses it. You get the idea.
Aug 29 04:19:08 <Infinyte> Well, can't hurt to try it. It's absolutely microscopic. >_>
Aug 29 04:29:44 <Infinyte> Er.. Hmm
Aug 29 04:36:15 <Infinyte> Okay, so I installed matchbox, but there's no core launcher for it that I can find. O_o
Aug 29 04:36:36 <swc|666> matchbox sux - xvkbd ftw
Aug 29 04:37:02 <Infinyte> No I mean, the whole matchbox. Not the keyboard
Aug 29 04:37:45 <UndrWater> Infinyte: do you have an .xinitrc?
Aug 29 04:37:54 <Infinyte> Not sure
Aug 29 04:37:58 <UndrWater> ls -a
Aug 29 04:38:17 <Infinyte> Hmmmmm
Aug 29 04:38:19 <Infinyte> No.
Aug 29 04:38:24 <Infinyte> Just .xinit
Aug 29 04:38:46 <UndrWater> look at what's in there...maybe you can modify exec= line to point to matchbox binary
Aug 29 04:39:02 <Infinyte> Well that's just it, there doesn't appear to be a binary for matchbox.
Aug 29 04:39:03 <Infinyte> o_O
Aug 29 04:39:12 <UndrWater> opkg files matchbox
Aug 29 04:39:25 <UndrWater> nothing in any /bin?
Aug 29 04:39:47 <Infinyte> Uhm, I don't have opkg. On Debian
Aug 29 04:39:52 <UndrWater> doh!
Aug 29 04:39:55 <UndrWater> dpkg?
Aug 29 04:40:03 <Infinyte> Tried, doesn't do anything.
Aug 29 04:40:15 <UndrWater> how did you install?
Aug 29 04:40:51 <paroneayea> so, got debian running on my 1973, but audiocompletely works.  Interestingly enough, FSO snapshot's audio works fine
Aug 29 04:40:54 <Infinyte> I know that I have: matchbox-desktop, matchbox-keyboard, matchbox-keyboard-toggle, matchbox-panel, matchbox-panel-manager, matchbox-remote, matchbox-session and matchbox-window-manager
Aug 29 04:40:58 <paroneayea> this includes audio out as well as audio in
Aug 29 04:41:10 <Infinyte> But none of they all run seperatly
Aug 29 04:41:18 <paroneayea> anyone have any ideas on what might be missing?
Aug 29 04:41:21 <Infinyte> Err, I used the Wiki instructions at debian.org
Aug 29 04:42:19 <UndrWater> Infinyte: ahhh...i think you need a special .xinitrc
Aug 29 04:43:14 <Infinyte> Hmm, well I can make xfce work. Because it has a, launcher per say, that activates all of it's extra stuff.
Aug 29 04:43:42 <UndrWater> Infinyte: right...
Aug 29 04:44:06 <UndrWater> what you're looking for is some kind of /usr/bin/startmatchbox script
Aug 29 04:44:12 <Infinyte> Exactly
Aug 29 04:44:18 <Infinyte> Ah okay, hmm..
Aug 29 04:45:39 <Infinyte> Err, unless..
Aug 29 04:45:52 <Infinyte> Just a sec.
Aug 29 04:45:52 <Infinyte> >_>
Aug 29 04:48:50 * UndrWater waiting with baited breath
Aug 29 04:50:05 <Infinyte> Well
Aug 29 04:50:15 <Infinyte> Looking through the documentation
Aug 29 04:50:25 <Infinyte> It looks like matchbox-window-manager is the core application
Aug 29 04:50:39 <UndrWater> sounds reasonable
Aug 29 04:50:47 <Infinyte> Err, but I can't seem to get it to finish loading.
Aug 29 04:51:08 <Infinyte> It's at the X startup thing, with the grey speckled background, and the mouse on the screen.
Aug 29 04:51:30 <slaxxin> right click
Aug 29 04:51:33 <UndrWater> ahh...but no wm?
Aug 29 04:51:46 <Infinyte> No, but I think it was working earlier.. Hmm
Aug 29 04:55:54 <tkep> hi guys
Aug 29 04:56:20 <slaxxin> wassup
Aug 29 04:56:37 <tkep> just trying to get more news for the site
Aug 29 04:56:52 <tkep> how's the split to the debian devel model going?
Aug 29 04:57:32 <UndrWater> tkep: which site?
Aug 29 04:57:36 <UndrWater> wiki?
Aug 29 04:57:51 <tkep> no, my freerunner/openmoko news site
Aug 29 04:58:04 <UndrWater> don't think i have that bookmarked ;)
Aug 29 04:58:15 <tkep> you should!!!!
Aug 29 04:58:21 <Infinyte> ... I'm stoopit >_>
Aug 29 04:58:29 <tkep> well, it just went live too ;)
Aug 29 04:58:33 <tkep> www.freerunnerhq.com
Aug 29 04:58:47 <tkep> trying to make it like a slashdot meets linuxquestions for freerunner
Aug 29 04:58:50 <tkep> and openmoko
Aug 29 04:59:37 <swc|666> so, quick poll - how come everyone here has / uses / programs for the FR?
Aug 29 05:00:00 <tkep> what?
Aug 29 05:00:08 <tkep> swc|666, rephrase that
Aug 29 05:00:09 <tkep> :)
Aug 29 05:00:14 <Infinyte> Kay, got it working. It was matchbox-sessions
Aug 29 05:00:27 <Infinyte> It's a shell script that opens the window manager, desktop and panel.
Aug 29 05:00:29 <Infinyte> Haha
Aug 29 05:00:44 <Infinyte> Also yeah, what swc?
Aug 29 05:01:27 <UndrWater> tkep: looks good...bookmarked 
Aug 29 05:01:57 <UndrWater> Infinyte: how's it look?
Aug 29 05:02:20 <tkep> thanks UndrWater...feel free to sign up for the forums :)
Aug 29 05:02:28 <UndrWater> will do
Aug 29 05:02:49 <Infinyte> Very basic, which is what I'm going for. ;D But.. I can't get the keyboard to pop up
Aug 29 05:03:11 <UndrWater> tkep: working to unify the look?
Aug 29 05:03:53 <tkep> yeah, currently working on the css for the forums
Aug 29 05:04:12 <tkep> i'm also thinking of desaturating the pngs
Aug 29 05:04:15 <UndrWater> i like the logo for the forums...put it on the home page
Aug 29 05:04:53 <tkep> i'm actually working on a more permanent one with freerunnerHQ in it
Aug 29 05:04:59 <tkep> should be done tomorrow or saturday
Aug 29 05:05:32 <slaxxin> yay
Aug 29 05:05:35 <tkep> the other problem is getting the bridge of the sql dbs together
Aug 29 05:05:46 <tkep> but i am close to getting that fixed
Aug 29 05:06:23 <UndrWater> nice...i could never do that
Aug 29 05:07:17 <tkep> well, there is a nice project aimed at merging joomla with other content systems
Aug 29 05:07:21 <tkep> unifying tables
Aug 29 05:07:41 <tkep> i just have to work on it to get it to flow between smf and joomla
Aug 29 05:07:59 <UndrWater> i've seen that...any reason for choosing smf over, say, phpbb?
Aug 29 05:09:14 <tkep> yeah, sure enough :)  i like the community for smf better.  plus i have had experience with yabb in the past
Aug 29 05:09:20 <Infinyte> Hmm, I wonder..
Aug 29 05:09:30 <tkep> however, i wish mercuryboard/quicksilver forums were still under development
Aug 29 05:09:39 <tkep> they were the fastest and easiest to work with IMO
Aug 29 05:09:51 <tkep> but there are big security holes that i can't wait for them to fix
Aug 29 05:11:09 <UndrWater> think i just killed my image :P
Aug 29 05:11:28 <tkep> i've done that before :)
Aug 29 05:11:31 <tkep> flash time!
Aug 29 05:11:39 <UndrWater> maybe...seemed to recover
Aug 29 05:12:40 <Infinyte> Hmm..
Aug 29 05:13:03 <UndrWater> Infinyte: how goes matchbox?
Aug 29 05:13:11 <Infinyte> No keyboard. :<
Aug 29 05:13:20 <UndrWater> not even with the alt button?
Aug 29 05:13:27 <Infinyte> Nope
Aug 29 05:13:53 <UndrWater> oh...i think i remember reading somethign about that in the lists...how to call on-screen kb
Aug 29 05:14:04 <Infinyte> But I may have an idear.
Aug 29 05:14:11 <Infinyte> Tell you if it works momentarily.
Aug 29 05:15:08 <Infinyte> Oh also
Aug 29 05:15:52 <Infinyte> It's broken in the fact that when you open an application, you can either exit, or switch to another application. BUT if you switch to the desktop, there's no way to get back to the application unless you open another and switch from it. O_o
Aug 29 05:17:06 <tkep> did matchbox ever get to a point where it can be used without a stylus?
Aug 29 05:17:57 <UndrWater> tkep: finger?
Aug 29 05:18:13 <tkep> si
Aug 29 05:18:20 <UndrWater> no pues
Aug 29 05:18:36 <UndrWater> apparently 2007 was pure matchbox
Aug 29 05:20:19 <abraxa_> tkep: Matchbox is nothing more than a window manager...
Aug 29 05:21:07 <UndrWater> abraxa_: doesn't it other UI elements as well, though...dialog boxes and such?
Aug 29 05:21:22 <Infinyte> How would you move a program into the applications list for xfce?
Aug 29 05:21:23 <UndrWater> *provide
Aug 29 05:21:39 <UndrWater> Infinyte: i think the .desktop file
Aug 29 05:21:47 <Infinyte> Where's that hiding?
Aug 29 05:21:54 <UndrWater> /usr/share/applications/
Aug 29 05:22:05 <Infinyte> Thanke
Aug 29 05:22:13 <UndrWater> i think you look at Categories:
Aug 29 05:23:00 <Infinyte> Hmm, that didn't help.
Aug 29 05:23:16 <Infinyte> I need to find a way to launch the matchbox keyboard from inside the window manager
Aug 29 05:23:25 <Infinyte> But it's not on it's application list
Aug 29 05:23:29 <UndrWater> did you try to restart?
Aug 29 05:23:33 <Infinyte> Yeah
Aug 29 05:23:50 <tkep> abraxa_, right, i know that :)  i meant the matchbox keyboard, which is what i thought we were talking about
Aug 29 05:23:54 <tkep> my misunderstanding
Aug 29 05:23:56 <Infinyte> No wait, that was with matchbox
Aug 29 05:24:00 <Infinyte> I'm trying e16 now
Aug 29 05:24:09 <Infinyte> Rebootin'.
Aug 29 05:25:06 <Infinyte> e16 is perfect, if I could just have the keyboard. >_>
Aug 29 05:25:46 <UndrWater> menu with click?
Aug 29 05:25:51 <Infinyte> Yeah
Aug 29 05:26:04 <UndrWater> can you get kb up from ssh?
Aug 29 05:26:16 <Infinyte> Well, when I try it says that it can't find the desktop
Aug 29 05:26:18 <Infinyte> :\
Aug 29 05:26:33 <Infinyte> Nope, rebooting didn't help.
Aug 29 05:26:50 <UndrWater> Infinyte: DISPLAY=:0 <kb_app>
Aug 29 05:27:00 <UndrWater> from ssh
Aug 29 05:27:45 <Infinyte> :D Yay, that worked.
Aug 29 05:27:48 <Infinyte> Only one problem.
Aug 29 05:27:54 <tkep> so i'm trying to get more of a freerunner following at red hat
Aug 29 05:28:02 <Infinyte> That doesn't help when I don't have access to my computer. :\
Aug 29 05:28:06 <tkep> i'm trying to think of a way of promoting it
Aug 29 05:28:12 <tkep> everyone is being sucked in by iphones
Aug 29 05:28:17 <tkep> any ideas?
Aug 29 05:28:25 <UndrWater> Infinyte: so now you need a good .desktop file to get it in your menu
Aug 29 05:28:52 <UndrWater> tkep: how many folks running redhat are moved by openness?
Aug 29 05:28:56 <Melchiorre> tkep: tell them it can rub debian? :P
Aug 29 05:29:19 <tkep> UndrWater, sadly, they love their openness with fedora, but not their phones
Aug 29 05:29:26 <tkep> Melchiorre, hahahaha
Aug 29 05:29:34 <UndrWater> tkep: if they don't get it from that standpoint, or from the standpoint of it being a truly linux phone...then there's no hope :P
Aug 29 05:29:36 <tkep> i get enough shit for running ubuntu at work
Aug 29 05:29:57 <UndrWater> from windows users?
Aug 29 05:30:17 <tkep> haha, no, fedora and red hat users
Aug 29 05:30:24 <Infinyte> Right, but I don't know where e16 searches for one.
Aug 29 05:30:31 <UndrWater> i wish opkg had a status bar for downloads
Aug 29 05:30:38 <tkep> amen UndrWater 
Aug 29 05:30:40 <tkep> i agree
Aug 29 05:30:42 <UndrWater> dam...you're talking e16
Aug 29 05:30:58 <Infinyte> Right. :\
Aug 29 05:31:09 <tkep> but it sucks to see so many people at work getting iphones when you're working for an open source company
Aug 29 05:31:13 <UndrWater> Infinyte: that's a completely different monster..but you know the direction you're heading...shouldn't be too hard
Aug 29 05:31:42 <UndrWater> tkep: if i wanted a cool phone with wifi that worked...i'd probably get an iphone and jailbreak it
Aug 29 05:31:54 <alphabeat> tkep what kind of company do you work for?
Aug 29 05:32:05 <tkep> Red Hat
Aug 29 05:32:19 <UndrWater> tkep: problem is...openmoko is not ready to be a daily phone yet
Aug 29 05:32:22 <tkep> UndrWater, i agree, except that it's apple
Aug 29 05:32:24 <alphabeat> well i see why they're giving you shit for ubuntu xD
Aug 29 05:32:31 <alphabeat> bastards
Aug 29 05:32:33 <tkep> i run fedora and red hat too
Aug 29 05:32:38 <tkep> ;)
Aug 29 05:32:42 <alphabeat> company policy i'm sure ;)
Aug 29 05:32:57 <tkep> well, i love fedora for server use
Aug 29 05:32:57 <UndrWater> run gentoo with omg-funroll-loops
Aug 29 05:33:02 <tkep> but ubuntu for desktop
Aug 29 05:33:06 <alphabeat> same
Aug 29 05:33:09 <paulproteus> tkep, What open source company?
Aug 29 05:33:12 <tkep> red hat
Aug 29 05:33:43 <alphabeat> arch is nice too :)
Aug 29 05:34:06 <UndrWater> i'd like to try arch
Aug 29 05:34:12 <UndrWater> that's a source distro, right?
Aug 29 05:34:16 <Infinyte> BINGO
Aug 29 05:34:20 <alphabeat> a bit of both
Aug 29 05:34:22 <Infinyte> .e16/menus/user_apps.menu
Aug 29 05:34:25 <Infinyte> I win
Aug 29 05:34:26 <Infinyte> :D
Aug 29 05:34:28 * rwhitby just noticed that Intel bought OpenedHand ...
Aug 29 05:34:28 <UndrWater> yay!!
Aug 29 05:34:36 <UndrWater> rwhitby: yep
Aug 29 05:34:53 <rwhitby> has there been any discussion of it here?
Aug 29 05:34:59 <UndrWater> scarey-hopefull
Aug 29 05:35:04 <tkep> but i agree, the freerunner isn't ready for primetime, even though i'm trying to use it like it is
Aug 29 05:35:05 <UndrWater> haven't seen any yet...
Aug 29 05:35:09 <alphabeat> not that i know of rwhitby
Aug 29 05:35:36 <tkep> but to see people buying into a contract and sticking with the iphone.  the bastion of closed-sourcedness....(new word!), it's just sad
Aug 29 05:35:51 <alphabeat> makes baby-stallman cry :(
Aug 29 05:35:56 <Infinyte> Edited, annnd the moment of trooth..
Aug 29 05:36:01 <Infinyte> YAY
Aug 29 05:36:03 <Infinyte> It worrrks. :D
Aug 29 05:37:05 <UndrWater> Infinyte: congrats!
Aug 29 05:37:06 <paulproteus> tkep, Oh, I didn't realize they were giving iPhones to employees.  I understand how you would feel.
Aug 29 05:37:23 <Infinyte> Got xvkbd on there too.
Aug 29 05:37:23 <tkep> no, they aren't giving them
Aug 29 05:37:38 <tkep> paulproteus, but just seeing them buying them en mass sucks
Aug 29 05:37:41 <paulproteus> Got it - just people happy about it.
Aug 29 05:37:42 * paulproteus nods
Aug 29 05:37:44 <Infinyte> Any other on-screen keyboards that're in the Debian repos?
Aug 29 05:37:44 <UndrWater> this weekend todo: install e16
Aug 29 05:37:52 <tkep> oh well, everyone is getting iphones...might as well get used to it
Aug 29 05:37:58 <Infinyte> Thanks UndrWater, couldn't have done it without ya. :>
Aug 29 05:38:13 <UndrWater> Infinyte: could have...just woulda taken a bit longer ;)
Aug 29 05:38:41 <Infinyte> Yeah but I prolly woulda given up and stuck with xfce :P
Aug 29 05:38:49 * rwhitby is still looking for a 3G phone to replace the Treo650, and only iPhone and BlackBerry Bold come close ...
Aug 29 05:39:11 <alphabeat> rwhitby: considered n95 or one of the htc ones? htc touch?
Aug 29 05:39:15 <UndrWater> rwhitby: what do you think of your 650?
Aug 29 05:39:21 <rwhitby> but with either of them, I can't read a mailing list and delete messages en-mass with a single keystroke per message.
Aug 29 05:39:34 <rwhitby> alphabeat: anything windows mobile is even worse on clicks per action
Aug 29 05:39:43 <paulproteus> rwhitby, #htc-linux !
Aug 29 05:40:00 <rwhitby> UndrWater: I love it, but I was in Japan earlier this week and couldn't use it.
Aug 29 05:40:04 <Infinyte> e16+Keyboard=heaven
Aug 29 05:40:51 <UndrWater> rwhitby: some things i can't stand: no call VR though BT, no extension dialing
Aug 29 05:40:52 <raster> Infinyte: not sure thats a great setup for the FR
Aug 29 05:40:57 <rwhitby> paulproteus: I need a phone where from the "off" state, I can start the email app and get new email with 1 or 2 keystrokes max, and then I can read and delete emails with 1 keystroke max per message
Aug 29 05:40:58 <raster> on such a tiny screen etc.
Aug 29 05:41:16 <Infinyte> Well, I'm lovin' it. :D
Aug 29 05:41:25 <rwhitby> Only the Treo650 can do that.  No other phone in the universe can as far as I can see.
Aug 29 05:41:36 <paulproteus> rwhitby, So run alpine on Debian on some htc-linux thing with a keyboard. (-;
Aug 29 05:41:38 <raster> Infinyte:  e17 is... much better :)
Aug 29 05:41:54 <paulproteus> (Or mutt, take your pick.)
Aug 29 05:42:00 <rwhitby> paulproteus: oh, the time to display a new message has to be instantaneous too
Aug 29 05:42:02 <paulproteus> (Even on OE, not on Debian.)
Aug 29 05:42:20 <paulproteus> rwhitby, alpine may be the most responsive IMAP client.
Aug 29 05:42:21 <rwhitby> (so I can read and delete 500 messages on a half-hour bus trip)
Aug 29 05:43:06 <UndrWater> raster: i've been trying to follow on the lists the way your keyboard works (and doesn't sometimes)...
Aug 29 05:43:37 <UndrWater> raster: from what i understand...there's not package to install to get it besides using your image?
Aug 29 05:43:49 <rwhitby> paulproteus: the boot time for palmos is long enough - Debian would be at least three times longer ...
Aug 29 05:44:04 <paulproteus> rwhitby, Oh, by "off" I thought "in suspend" would qualify.
Aug 29 05:44:22 <paulproteus> It would be interesting to see if one could do swsusp off MMC on ARM, though.
Aug 29 05:44:51 <tkep> so, not to sound stupid, but what is e16?  enlightenment?
Aug 29 05:45:05 <UndrWater> tkep: yes
Aug 29 05:45:14 <tkep> i thought so
Aug 29 05:45:14 <UndrWater> latest is e17...
Aug 29 05:45:16 <tkep> right
Aug 29 05:45:22 <tkep> but it's still beta, right?
Aug 29 05:45:22 <UndrWater> what asu is running?
Aug 29 05:45:23 <rwhitby> paulproteus: if suspend can last 6 days, then that's fine
Aug 29 05:45:27 <tkep> and has been for years...lol
Aug 29 05:45:43 <tkep> so who hear has the longest battery life?  any ideas for getting more than a few hours?
Aug 29 05:45:56 <tkep> that's my only real complaint, i can live with all other problems for now
Aug 29 05:45:58 <UndrWater> tkep: under what conditions?  tough question
Aug 29 05:46:11 * tkep thinks the devs should be focusing on this instead of looks right now
Aug 29 05:46:17 <tkep> but i'm not a dev
Aug 29 05:46:19 <rwhitby> simply put, I haven't found a windows mobile, or linux phone, open or closed, which can match the useability of the Treo650 for normal phone, pda, and email functions.
Aug 29 05:46:22 <tkep> i mean, any conditions
Aug 29 05:46:24 <UndrWater> and you're not a funder ;)
Aug 29 05:46:57 <UndrWater> rwhitby: do you calendar with treo?
Aug 29 05:47:04 <rwhitby> and I played with the iPhone for an hour yesterday in Akihabara, and it takes more than one click to delete messages too
Aug 29 05:47:10 <rwhitby> UndrWater: GooSync
Aug 29 05:47:21 <UndrWater> google?
Aug 29 05:47:24 <rwhitby> yep
Aug 29 05:47:31 <UndrWater> hrm...
Aug 29 05:47:41 <UndrWater> is that free?
Aug 29 05:47:46 <rwhitby> yep
Aug 29 05:47:52 <rwhitby> as in beer, not as in speech
Aug 29 05:47:53 <alphabeat> you were in akihab yesterday? nice!
Aug 29 05:48:39 <UndrWater> is that japan's silicon valley?
Aug 29 05:48:44 <alphabeat> verily
Aug 29 05:48:49 <rwhitby> it hasn't changed much in the 10 years since I was there last
Aug 29 05:49:00 <alphabeat> less godzilla related attacks
Aug 29 05:49:15 <rwhitby> maybe more gaidjin-friendly duty free stores and less real electronics parts stores
Aug 29 05:49:33 <alphabeat> that's what i noticed too
Aug 29 05:49:38 <rwhitby> UndrWater: "Electric City"
Aug 29 05:49:46 <rwhitby> electronics and porn it seems
Aug 29 05:49:49 <UndrWater> right...been there once many years ago
Aug 29 05:50:06 <UndrWater> spent more time in kansai tho
Aug 29 05:50:24 <alphabeat> ahh soo
Aug 29 05:50:37 <rwhitby> I spent an hour in a shop playing with the iPhone, so I could make informed statements about it.
Aug 29 05:51:01 <rwhitby> Luckily, they had it configured with an email account, so I could send and recieve without giving someone my personal details or password
Aug 29 05:51:02 <UndrWater> slick ain't it?
Aug 29 05:51:27 <rwhitby> Sorry, but for reading and deleting large numbers of mailing list emails, it doesn't come close to the Treo650.
Aug 29 05:51:38 <rwhitby> slick, but not efficient.
Aug 29 05:52:31 <kvk> where can i get the documentation of AT commands, which can give me the idea of this % commands(AT%CACM, AT%STDR .....)??
Aug 29 05:52:54 <rwhitby> kvk: there is a wiki page on AT commands.  dunno if those are listed
Aug 29 05:53:07 <rwhitby> there is also an engineering commands doco somewhere
Aug 29 05:53:25 <raster> UndrWater: the problem is that its configuration - not a package. and the way asu (2008.08) is set up you can't access that config withotu switching profiles
Aug 29 05:53:41 <raster> and as such that wasnt really easy until i made some changes to have more streamlined "off the bat" profiel support
Aug 29 05:54:01 <UndrWater> raster: right...so i've looked at the profile...and it says illume
Aug 29 05:54:02 <rwhitby> hey raster, I see you're jumping on FSO now as primary platform?
Aug 29 05:54:17 <UndrWater> but i don't have your kb...also not using your image either...
Aug 29 05:54:21 <Infinyte> So what's the fastest, but picture-friendly browser for debian?
Aug 29 05:54:41 <Infinyte> Firefox 3.0 is faster than Opera now, isn't it? *Forgets*
Aug 29 05:54:49 <kvk> rwhitby: yaa, i have searched in google and i have searched in wiki also, i have got a AT manual but in that it does not define about this % commands
Aug 29 05:55:51 <kvk> rwhitby: if you have the link, can you send me??
Aug 29 05:56:37 <rwhitby> kvk: you've read this page? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA01_gsm_modem#AT_command_interface
Aug 29 05:56:47 <UndrWater> Infinyte: apparently midori for deb is really good
Aug 29 05:56:52 <rwhitby> and the links to the enfora docs off there?
Aug 29 05:58:35 <rwhitby> kvk: and you've looked through all the 3gpp specs for ts07.05, ts07.07 and ts07.10 ?
Aug 29 05:58:46 <raster> rwhitby: of course! i crave sanity!
Aug 29 05:59:02 <raster> UndrWater: you have an old image. i changed it to asu by default
Aug 29 05:59:06 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rd3706d1f4f7b 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [openmoko] Remove the duplicated preferred of dbus-native
Aug 29 05:59:20 <raster> and right now... i have 18 questions/requests about keyboards per day
Aug 29 05:59:23 <Infinyte> Midori?
Aug 29 05:59:24 <raster> and for different images and versions
Aug 29 05:59:25 <kvk> rwhitby: i have gone through this link, but it couldn't give much information about the %commands
Aug 29 05:59:28 <raster> and all sorts of crud
Aug 29 05:59:39 <rwhitby> raster: just don't turn it from it's current UI simplicity to some over-bling'd thing :-)
Aug 29 05:59:47 <raster> from now on - if you want illume's keyboard, dont use ASU or 2008.08 or 2009.09
Aug 29 05:59:53 <raster> that is just going to save me repeatign myself
Aug 29 06:00:05 <raster> rwhitby: i need to fix the theme...
Aug 29 06:00:14 <UndrWater> raster: we need a "raster keyboard" wiki page
Aug 29 06:00:25 <raster> fuck
Aug 29 06:00:27 <raster> segv
Aug 29 06:01:09 <kvk> rwhitby: yaa in 3gpp specs also i think  he has not mention about these commands??
Aug 29 06:01:52 <rwhitby> kvk: dunno then - I don't know of any other info sources for at commands
Aug 29 06:02:26 <raster> rwhitby: http://www.rasterman.com/files/mydesk-01.png
Aug 29 06:02:34 <raster> rwhitby: going to build off that as the core theme/look
Aug 29 06:02:42 <raster> as thats e17's new default theme being brewed
Aug 29 06:02:48 <kvk> rwhitby: i will search for it and thnx for your information
Aug 29 06:02:51 <raster> and it saves work if i can recycle the look and theme and stuff
Aug 29 06:03:04 <Infinyte> raster, when they gonna put it in the repos? :P
Aug 29 06:03:33 <raster> Infinyte: put what exactly?
Aug 29 06:04:10 <Infinyte> e17
Aug 29 06:04:23 <raster> what repos?
Aug 29 06:04:29 <raster> its already in OE
Aug 29 06:04:34 <raster> i am not a debian developer
Aug 29 06:04:37 <raster> i cant touch debian
Aug 29 06:04:42 <raster> and i'm not going to make deb packages
Aug 29 06:04:49 <Infinyte> Ah
Aug 29 06:05:44 * UndrWater looks forward to e17's new theme...
Aug 29 06:06:39 <Infinyte> I wonder how much of a performance difference there is between Firefox and Midori..
Aug 29 06:06:53 <UndrWater> apparently a lot
Aug 29 06:07:01 <UndrWater> have you tried midori?
Aug 29 06:07:05 <rwhitby> raster: I'm in the same boat - OE and FSO is the easiest to contribute to.
Aug 29 06:07:52 <Infinyte> Nopez, any documentation on the differences? :o
Aug 29 06:08:48 <raster> UndrWater: theres been a lot done to it
Aug 29 06:08:49 <UndrWater> saw it on the lists...search debian midori
Aug 29 06:08:54 <raster> ilist is looking gorgeous
Aug 29 06:08:59 <raster> and the frame stuff is nice now
Aug 29 06:09:02 <raster> scrollbars are nice
Aug 29 06:09:12 <raster> need to still do filemanager and a chunk of other things
Aug 29 06:09:12 <UndrWater> raster: anything to be seen from cvs (or whatever you're using)?
Aug 29 06:09:19 <raster> UndrWater:  theme is in svn
Aug 29 06:09:20 <raster> :)
Aug 29 06:09:29 <UndrWater> ahh OK ;)
Aug 29 06:09:40 <UndrWater> i'll put it on my unstable desktop
Aug 29 06:10:53 <UndrWater> it'll look good rocking when the wind blows by
Aug 29 06:11:05 <Infinyte> Well I'll check it out, in the meantime though. Any idea what might be able to tell my my battery life?
Aug 29 06:11:30 <raster> Infinyte: apm
Aug 29 06:11:41 <raster> Infinyte:  e17's battery gadget does it too... :)
Aug 29 06:11:58 <Infinyte> Yeah yeah. :P
Aug 29 06:12:04 <Infinyte> So apm can read it?
Aug 29 06:12:19 <raster> :yes
Aug 29 06:12:30 <UndrWater> it had better ;)
Aug 29 06:12:38 <raster> though the more extensive api is /sys/class/power_supply
Aug 29 06:12:58 <UndrWater> that's outside of apm?
Aug 29 06:13:02 <raster> apm is only provided as a backwards-compat hack to keep qtopia and the old 2007.02 stuff happy
Aug 29 06:13:11 <raster> as those dont support nwere kernel interfaces
Aug 29 06:13:22 <UndrWater> oi
Aug 29 06:13:24 <Infinyte> Uhm.. When I try to launch apm, nothing happens.
Aug 29 06:13:25 <Infinyte> o_O
Aug 29 06:13:41 <raster> apm -v
Aug 29 06:13:43 <UndrWater> cat /proc/apm
Aug 29 06:13:46 <raster> its commandline
Aug 29 06:13:50 <raster> or cat that
Aug 29 06:15:02 <Infinyte> 1.13 1.2 0x02 0xff 0xff 0xff -1% -1 ?
Aug 29 06:15:04 <Infinyte> >_>
Aug 29 06:15:05 <UndrWater> oh wow!! lots of info in power_supply!!
Aug 29 06:15:18 <UndrWater> charging
Aug 29 06:15:22 <UndrWater> my guess
Aug 29 06:15:31 <Infinyte> Err, yeah it is.
Aug 29 06:15:35 <UndrWater> did you try apm -v
Aug 29 06:15:51 <Infinyte> APM BIOS 1.2 (kernel driver 1.13)
Aug 29 06:15:53 <Infinyte> That's all it says
Aug 29 06:15:57 <raster> UndrWater: yes. that is the "new" kernel api for finding out about all sorts of power supply info
Aug 29 06:16:04 <raster> be it ups, battery, ac adaptors etc.
Aug 29 06:16:16 <UndrWater> Infinyte: prolly cause it's deb
Aug 29 06:16:20 <raster> hmm maybe it was apm somehtgin else
Aug 29 06:16:23 <raster> either way
Aug 29 06:16:26 <raster> i dont listen to apm
Aug 29 06:16:28 <raster> its oooold
Aug 29 06:16:33 <UndrWater> -v shows 100% for me
Aug 29 06:16:51 <Infinyte> Well, is there a graphical one?
Aug 29 06:17:10 <Infinyte> Kinda wanted something I just glance at now and again
Aug 29 06:17:25 <UndrWater> you've got zhone installed?
Aug 29 06:17:38 <UndrWater> that has an applet 
Aug 29 06:17:56 <Infinyte> It does? O_o
Aug 29 06:18:01 <UndrWater> yep
Aug 29 06:18:54 <UndrWater> hrm...have to get downstairs...little girl has been crying all night
Aug 29 06:19:13 <tkep> i feel like such a n00b reading all of this
Aug 29 06:19:21 <mmontour> to get the real info about battery/charger, "find /sys -name chgmode" and "find /sys -name capacity" (will show you the paths for the PMU and the battery; lots of interesting files in each)
Aug 29 06:25:55 <tkep> alright guys, i'm off for the night.  take it easy
Aug 29 06:25:58 <tkep> see you tomorrow
Aug 29 06:26:42 <Infinyte> Nighty
Aug 29 06:28:43 <raster> oooh
Aug 29 06:28:49 <raster> THATS why it segv'd
Aug 29 06:29:33 <raster> ok ok
Aug 29 06:29:34 <raster> rebuildies
Aug 29 06:31:42 <raster> rwhitby: what are you actually hacking about on these days?
Aug 29 06:32:01 <dbmoodb> hi ah anyone got recording going on debian ?
Aug 29 06:32:24 <dbmoodb> like i don't get this i can hear via zphone but.. not record via arecord..
Aug 29 06:32:37 <raster> dm oh sorry - i vanished before - youg glamo stuff
Aug 29 06:32:45 <raster> dbmoodb: oosp tab
Aug 29 06:32:48 <raster> um
Aug 29 06:32:51 <raster> sd card is don4e
Aug 29 06:33:01 <raster> but it will have limited write/read speeds
Aug 29 06:33:04 <raster> as it goes thru glamo
Aug 29 06:33:09 <raster> tho in theory that shoudl be 7mb/sec
Aug 29 06:33:15 <raster> its wel below that right now
Aug 29 06:33:26 <raster> chances are because it first writes to video ram from sd
Aug 29 06:33:30 <raster> then reads to system ram from there
Aug 29 06:33:37 <raster> graphcis acceleration is another matter
Aug 29 06:33:41 <raster> and there is acceleration
Aug 29 06:33:47 <raster> blits and fills ass wel as xv
Aug 29 06:33:56 <raster> its about as much accel as u get in most desktop xservers
Aug 29 06:34:00 <dbmoodb> mm?
Aug 29 06:34:03 <raster> its not all the glamo can do
Aug 29 06:34:10 <raster> but it really cant do a LOT more than is useful
Aug 29 06:34:46 <dbmoodb> oh... ok but for sound raster i get some overflow in ihu... and sound channels seem locked
Aug 29 06:34:50 <dbmoodb> any ideas?
Aug 29 06:34:58 <raster> basically it has acceleration - and you're in the land of "sure you can write more drivers - but what is the usefulness of adding more? what is the gain vs pain ratio?"
Aug 29 06:35:05 <raster> i'd say your on the downhill slow there
Aug 29 06:35:17 <raster> ie u spend more and mroe effort and get less and less
Aug 29 06:35:27 <raster> anyway
Aug 29 06:35:30 <raster> no idea on sound
Aug 29 06:35:45 <raster> there is a laundry list of issues on FR (kernel bugs, hw bugs, and stuff...)
Aug 29 06:35:49 <raster> and it changes every few days
Aug 29 06:36:08 <dbmoodb> raster: ok. i'm not that bugged about theglamo i'm just saying make it as useful as possible. 
Aug 29 06:36:11 <dbmoodb> given contrainsts
Aug 29 06:36:22 <raster> thats pretty much been done
Aug 29 06:36:29 <raster> yes - xrender coudl get some more accel
Aug 29 06:36:47 <raster> but to really get xrender fulyl useful (ie be able to do compositing) glamo just cant do that
Aug 29 06:36:52 <raster> its missing things to be able to go that far
Aug 29 06:37:05 <raster> (thats what i mean about hitting land of diminishing returns)
Aug 29 06:37:11 <raster> u have a goal of usage
Aug 29 06:37:20 <raster> and if u do all the chip can.. will that usage be improved?
Aug 29 06:37:38 <raster> glamo CANNOT handle ARGB32 destination for rendering
Aug 29 06:37:43 <b0ib01> hey peeps
Aug 29 06:37:49 <raster> that means you can never have an accelerated surface WITH an alpha channel
Aug 29 06:38:00 <raster> without - yes
Aug 29 06:38:02 <raster> but not with
Aug 29 06:38:06 <b0ib01> woa, we talking about gfx!?
Aug 29 06:38:16 <raster> opengl - it can be done
Aug 29 06:38:25 <raster> if u like to live with 256x256 max size textures
Aug 29 06:38:33 <raster> and basically qvga (not vga)
Aug 29 06:38:44 <raster> and doing ogl libs to work with kdrive will be a huge amount of work
Aug 29 06:38:44 <b0ib01> raster, you demo scener?
Aug 29 06:38:48 <raster> the docs are very.. thin
Aug 29 06:38:51 <raster> b0ib01:  no.
Aug 29 06:39:19 <raster> though.. i did grow up learning all the tricks of that trade
Aug 29 06:39:26 <raster> way back in my amiga days
Aug 29 06:39:31 <raster> cracking copy protection
Aug 29 06:39:41 <raster> playign with new "i cracked this game" demo routines
Aug 29 06:39:53 <raster> then figuring out how to fiddle hardware to do thngs it wasnt designed to do...
Aug 29 06:40:09 <dbmoodb> raster: where is the viop alsa state for the gta02 located
Aug 29 06:40:10 <raster> but in those days... hw was well documented!
Aug 29 06:40:10 <raster> :)
Aug 29 06:40:11 <b0ib01> right on
Aug 29 06:40:16 <raster> dm no idea
Aug 29 06:40:21 <raster> dbmoodb: no idea
Aug 29 06:40:26 <b0ib01> i'm a coder, got my start in "the scene"
Aug 29 06:40:27 <Infinyte> Midori's pretty gewd. :D
Aug 29 06:40:36 <raster> dbmoodb:  i thinjk i have made 1 phone call with my FR
Aug 29 06:40:37 <raster> ever
Aug 29 06:40:40 <raster> i have recieve 2
Aug 29 06:40:49 <raster> where i cant hear the other end
Aug 29 06:40:54 <b0ib01> i bought a freerunner and plan to port some of my gfx effects over to it
Aug 29 06:41:00 <raster> i learnt my lesson not to trust my FR to the job of being my phone...
Aug 29 06:41:15 <raster> so my sim card basically doesnt get plugged in as i have people who want to call/talk to me
Aug 29 06:41:29 <dbmoodb> raster: ? ah
Aug 29 06:41:33 <dbmoodb> well i want to do voip
Aug 29 06:41:35 <raster> b0ib01: beware ... poor glamo will be a pain :(
Aug 29 06:41:40 <raster> dbmoodb: i cant help u
Aug 29 06:41:43 <dbmoodb> that's why i got it . idon't want another mobile rofl
Aug 29 06:41:52 <raster> i've never gotten anything sensible out of my FR wrt to normal gsm calls
Aug 29 06:42:03 <raster> wifi is too flakey to use for me
Aug 29 06:42:14 <dbmoodb> ah great on debian
Aug 29 06:42:16 <raster> so its a nice lcd screen with an arm attached plugged ito usb for me
Aug 29 06:42:16 <raster> :)
Aug 29 06:42:42 <beni_> any hint where i can grab a latest dfu-util?
Aug 29 06:42:43 <dbmoodb> raster: ?
Aug 29 06:42:44 <raster> b0ib01:  u have very limited write/read bandwidth to video ram.
Aug 29 06:42:56 <dbmoodb> its my pda calendar and todo list
Aug 29 06:43:08 <Infinyte> So, has anyone gotten Debian to play sounds? Such as an ogg file through vlc or something?
Aug 29 06:43:10 <raster> dbmoodb: i use my n800 for that :)
Aug 29 06:43:30 <dbmoodb> yeah well i need some damn viop client rofl
Aug 29 06:43:37 <b0ib01> i heard somewhere the video on the freerunner could do somewhere around 40k flat shaded poly/sec
Aug 29 06:43:50 <b0ib01> the gpu that is
Aug 29 06:44:01 <dbmoodb> ALSA lib pcm_params.c:2135:(snd1_pcm_hw_refine_slave) Slave PCM not usable
Aug 29 06:44:41 <lindi-> Infinyte: yes.
Aug 29 06:44:41 <raster> b0ib01:  no docs. nda only. and that'd only be at qvga, not vga
Aug 29 06:45:14 <dbmoodb> raster: :) can we get refunds on teh phone (jokes)
Aug 29 06:45:34 <raster> dbmoodb: joyfully.. no :) it's yours to keep now... so make the best of it! :)
Aug 29 06:45:34 <Infinyte> How'd you do it lindi? :O
Aug 29 06:45:38 <b0ib01> i've got a pretty sweet scanline buffering routine that buffers alternating half of the screen per frame... it doesent look as good as full screen gfx, but it adds a trippy effect, and nearly doubles speed... so you essentially half the rez you are rendering
Aug 29 06:46:08 <b0ib01> dbmoodb, ebay? lmao
Aug 29 06:46:11 <lindi-> Infinyte: how did you search the wiki?
Aug 29 06:46:16 <raster> b0ib01: ewww. interlace! :(
Aug 29 06:46:18 <dbmoodb>  nar dude i like my phone i just want voip
Aug 29 06:46:35 <b0ib01> raster, nah, it can look good if used proper
Aug 29 06:46:43 <raster> b0ib01:  u have 7mb/sec to the fb. at the lcd res (480x640 & 16bpp) thats not much
Aug 29 06:46:52 <raster> as all time spent writing to the fb is lost cycles
Aug 29 06:46:52 <b0ib01> raster, what os you running right now?
Aug 29 06:46:58 <raster> as the soc is held in waitstates
Aug 29 06:47:04 <Infinyte> The Wiki?
Aug 29 06:47:21 <raster> b0ib01:  and i know what it'd look like.. i grew upon that feckin interlace stuff :)
Aug 29 06:47:36 <raster> b0ib01:  and what os where? desktop? fr?
Aug 29 06:50:12 <b0ib01> raster, main os that you run on your pc?
Aug 29 06:50:17 <raster> linux
Aug 29 06:50:17 <dbmoodb> raster: till the damn thing gets voip there is no point in having a linux phone
Aug 29 06:50:24 <b0ib01> ah, what flavour?
Aug 29 06:50:28 <b0ib01> i'm slackware
Aug 29 06:50:32 <raster> dbmoodb:  actually if u can use it as a regular phone
Aug 29 06:50:39 <raster> ie replace my existing liux phone.. its worht it
Aug 29 06:50:40 <raster> :)
Aug 29 06:50:42 <raster> screw voip
Aug 29 06:50:52 <raster> just regular calls would be great
Aug 29 06:50:56 <raster> well calls + sms
Aug 29 06:51:03 <dbmoodb> i can do that atm
Aug 29 06:51:08 <raster> i cant
Aug 29 06:51:13 <raster> not with ASU
Aug 29 06:51:14 <dbmoodb> any $30 phone can do that
Aug 29 06:51:16 <raster> or FSO
Aug 29 06:51:20 <raster> indeed
Aug 29 06:51:24 <raster> well actually
Aug 29 06:51:27 <raster> u dont get $30 phones
Aug 29 06:51:30 <raster> that doesnt exist
Aug 29 06:51:37 <dbmoodb> raster: ebay ?
Aug 29 06:51:40 <dbmoodb> and yes they do
Aug 29 06:51:41 <raster> well maybe one of the "it has no screen" ones in india or china
Aug 29 06:51:44 <raster> thats 2nd hand
Aug 29 06:51:47 <dbmoodb> and?
Aug 29 06:51:49 <b0ib01> raster, i'll sell my old phone for 30 lmao
Aug 29 06:51:52 <raster> not comparable
Aug 29 06:51:57 <dbmoodb> raster: is so
Aug 29 06:52:04 <b0ib01> it was once a free phone
Aug 29 06:52:10 <raster> retail price for a new phone is starting about $120
Aug 29 06:52:16 <dbmoodb> my $30 phone can sms / do things better than this one rofl.
Aug 29 06:52:19 <raster> free just means "subsidised"
Aug 29 06:52:20 <dbmoodb> raster: ah no
Aug 29 06:52:22 <raster> it cost you anyway
Aug 29 06:52:26 <raster> but the phone compnay paid for it
Aug 29 06:52:37 <raster> and sucked the pound of flesh out of you through your contract
Aug 29 06:52:37 <raster> :)
Aug 29 06:53:01 <b0ib01> agreed
Aug 29 06:53:11 <b0ib01> so i need a tad bit of help
Aug 29 06:53:12 <raster> but i dont want more pocket junk
Aug 29 06:53:14 <raster> i have enough
Aug 29 06:53:22 <b0ib01> my wife has been looking around and cant find
Aug 29 06:53:39 <raster> z-sl-c860, 2 FR's, n800, ipaq... and my moto rokr e6 phone
Aug 29 06:53:46 <b0ib01> something saying that its illegal to force people to buy a phone with a contract if you come in with your own phone
Aug 29 06:53:48 <raster> i want 1 thing in my pocket that does all i need
Aug 29 06:53:54 <raster> and i can hack the ui of
Aug 29 06:53:57 <dbmoodb> http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/48b79c9a09b83822273fc0a87f9c0729/Product/View/E6289
Aug 29 06:53:57 <raster> to be nice
Aug 29 06:54:00 <dbmoodb> $50
Aug 29 06:54:06 <b0ib01> unicel refuses to give us servicce on an unlocked phone unless we buy one of there phones 
Aug 29 06:54:45 <b0ib01> thats not supposed to be legal
Aug 29 06:55:00 <dbmoodb> b0ib01: sure it isn't -- "sorry we only support our model"
Aug 29 06:55:02 <raster> dbmoodb: if its locked to virgin.. its discounted (by a subsidy from virgin) :)
Aug 29 06:55:04 <dbmoodb> they can do that.
Aug 29 06:55:16 <dbmoodb> raster: ah ? no its not. probably not
Aug 29 06:55:19 <dbmoodb> my one wasn't
Aug 29 06:55:35 <raster> dbmoodb: depends on the mobile
Aug 29 06:55:38 <dbmoodb> and its not like your can't unlock it 
Aug 29 06:55:44 <raster> a lot of prepaids are locks to virgin only sim cards
Aug 29 06:55:48 <raster> and sure
Aug 29 06:55:49 <raster> unlock
Aug 29 06:55:58 <raster> but we are talking "legit" not working around the system
Aug 29 06:56:02 <raster> but you are right
Aug 29 06:56:07 <raster> we are quibbling over a fe $
Aug 29 06:56:15 <dbmoodb> well if you talking about legit the ipod fails
Aug 29 06:56:21 <dbmoodb> no jailbrake
Aug 29 06:56:28 <raster> of course
Aug 29 06:56:30 <raster> the iphone fails
Aug 29 06:56:31 <raster> :)
Aug 29 06:56:42 <dbmoodb> but with jailbrake its ok.
Aug 29 06:56:55 <dbmoodb> if you want to spend $800 on a phone
Aug 29 06:57:37 <dbmoodb> raster: like i think the openmoko freerunner will be great once we can get some more general modules and voip  / other things of use
Aug 29 06:58:09 <dbmoodb> but to be honest the gps is mad on it anyway
Aug 29 06:58:25 <b0ib01> i spent 850 on the freerunner!
Aug 29 06:58:31 <b0ib01> thats coz i got 2 of em though lol
Aug 29 06:58:41 <b0ib01> my wife said i wasnt allowed to buy one unless i got her one as well
Aug 29 06:58:58 <dbmoodb> does she use it rof l?
Aug 29 06:59:23 <b0ib01> she's the linux guru, she said she wouldnt help me if i broke mine
Aug 29 06:59:37 <raster> dbmoodb:  $800 is more the prioce u pay for ta high-end phone like an iphone .. if its legit and not locked (ie someone has subsidised it)
Aug 29 06:59:40 <b0ib01> they havent gotten here yet... supposed to be here next teus
Aug 29 07:00:00 <raster> b0ib01:  hahahahahahaha
Aug 29 07:00:07 <b0ib01> every time i break my main machine and get stuck, she's right there to pick up the pieces
Aug 29 07:00:35 <b0ib01> i *might* be able to fix it myself... but when you've got a hot chick offering to do it for you, you'd be crazy to say no
Aug 29 07:00:37 <dbmoodb> you are joking no ?
Aug 29 07:00:53 <b0ib01> i was a m$ fanboy when her and I met
Aug 29 07:01:01 <b0ib01> .net developer, whole 9 yards
Aug 29 07:01:10 <b0ib01> that was 3 years ago, now i'll never turn back
Aug 29 07:01:13 <raster> i find this... very hard to believe
Aug 29 07:01:15 <b0ib01> she converted me
Aug 29 07:01:24 <b0ib01> nah i'm serious
Aug 29 07:01:25 <raster> i know maybe... 3 hot linux chicks.
Aug 29 07:01:27 <MokoN00b> women can do that
Aug 29 07:01:34 <MokoN00b> we need more women in linux
Aug 29 07:01:35 <MokoN00b> :)
Aug 29 07:01:40 <b0ib01> i was the one who found the phone though, so that was my points scored =]
Aug 29 07:01:49 <raster> and i've been through the whole conference/tradeshow etc. scene for over a decade...
Aug 29 07:02:01 <dbmoodb> oh btw raster any news on suspend / battery life ?
Aug 29 07:02:10 <b0ib01> i'm beat her at some things
Aug 29 07:02:15 <b0ib01> she cant code to save her life
Aug 29 07:02:34 <b0ib01> so if she needs a script or something, i'm the one who does it
Aug 29 07:02:58 <raster> hot chicks.. who are into linux.. are like... um... giraffes in antarctica ... not many of them... and when they go outside.. they freeze! :)
Aug 29 07:03:09 <b0ib01> roflol
Aug 29 07:03:12 <dbmoodb> raster: they exist?
Aug 29 07:03:15 <raster> dbmoodb: well.. i have managed 2 days of suspend or so befor eno problems
Aug 29 07:03:34 <raster> but *IF* it successfulyl resumes.. is always a good question as luck may vary :)
Aug 29 07:03:36 <dbmoodb> raster: nar but with phone /.wake up on phone call
Aug 29 07:03:59 <raster> b0ib01:  oooh. so she just likes linux. thinsk its cool. u are the one with the skills?
Aug 29 07:04:00 <fale_> someone have bought from eshopen.com ? it seemes pretty fake
Aug 29 07:05:07 <b0ib01> raster, i'd say we're equally skilled
Aug 29 07:05:19 <b0ib01> she was a linux admin when we met
Aug 29 07:05:30 <raster> well.. when it comes to code
Aug 29 07:05:31 <b0ib01> server admin that is
Aug 29 07:06:22 <beni_> Hm, i wonder if uBoot 1.3.2-ec2-dirty-moko12 from Apr, 2. is more recent that u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr114
Aug 29 07:06:26 <b0ib01> i been coding way back when 486 was new... 
Aug 29 07:06:32 <Infinyte> Is there any way, (Besides it locating you) to test if your GPS is on in TangoGPS?
Aug 29 07:06:39 <beni_> that is from the today build
Aug 29 07:06:51 <b0ib01> qbasic ftw
Aug 29 07:06:54 <raster> i started long before 486 was a twinkle in intel's baby-blue eyes :) heheheh
Aug 29 07:07:16 <raster> come on dfu-util
Aug 29 07:07:21 <raster> flash already!
Aug 29 07:07:34 <b0ib01> raster, that just makes you sound old lmao
Aug 29 07:07:40 <raster> yeah
Aug 29 07:07:41 <raster> i am
Aug 29 07:07:49 <b0ib01> 24 here
Aug 29 07:07:50 <raster> thats the sad bit
Aug 29 07:07:52 <raster> 32
Aug 29 07:07:54 <raster> :)
Aug 29 07:08:10 <b0ib01> right on
Aug 29 07:08:14 <raster> young whipper-snappers!
Aug 29 07:08:16 <beni_> is there any way to get knowledge on which uboot is actually more recent?
Aug 29 07:08:18 <Infinyte> Ye old fart.
Aug 29 07:08:19 <Infinyte> ;p
Aug 29 07:08:58 <raster> 1's and 01's.. binary.. ha! luxury! when i was your age. we didn't even has 1's.  we would write entire programs only in 0's! 
Aug 29 07:09:02 <alphabeat> going to any snowfields tonight raster?
Aug 29 07:09:11 <raster> alphabeat:  nah.. that was last weekend
Aug 29 07:09:18 <raster> this weekend.. me-hacking time
Aug 29 07:09:19 <alphabeat> yeh was asking about this weekend? ;)
Aug 29 07:09:37 <alphabeat> oh hacking what?
Aug 29 07:09:39 <raster> i think i have decided to start an e-image.bb
Aug 29 07:09:55 <raster> hmm wait
Aug 29 07:09:56 <raster> there is one
Aug 29 07:10:06 <raster> i am going to have to... revamp it
Aug 29 07:10:10 <raster> with illume
Aug 29 07:10:16 <raster> and merge in fso
Aug 29 07:10:40 <raster> hmm
Aug 29 07:10:47 <raster> maybe i should do an illume one?
Aug 29 07:10:51 <raster> what should i call it?
Aug 29 07:11:27 <alphabeat> i got nothin
Aug 29 07:11:39 <alphabeat> friday afternoon...all out of wit i'm afraid
Aug 29 07:11:39 <MokoN00b> raster: are you talking about a new keyboard package?
Aug 29 07:11:49 <raster> MokoN00b:  a new image that uses e+illume
Aug 29 07:11:53 <raster> and FSO
Aug 29 07:11:59 <raster> but with the e look and feel
Aug 29 07:12:06 <raster> might rhow in a bunch of useful apps
Aug 29 07:12:10 <raster> like.. terminal
Aug 29 07:12:12 <raster> throw
Aug 29 07:12:27 <MokoN00b> how about "e-llume"
Aug 29 07:12:31 <raster> hmmm
Aug 29 07:12:35 <MokoN00b> or "e-lluminate"
Aug 29 07:12:49 <raster> ellume too close to a typo for illume
Aug 29 07:13:00 <MokoN00b> hahaha
Aug 29 07:13:02 <MokoN00b> yeah
Aug 29 07:13:08 <raster> time to go to my e wordlist
Aug 29 07:13:20 <alphabeat> elluminati
Aug 29 07:13:29 <MokoN00b> thats just scary
Aug 29 07:13:35 <alphabeat> heh
Aug 29 07:13:39 <MokoN00b> :-/
Aug 29 07:14:27 <alphabeat> how about yet another "yet another" prefixed package?
Aug 29 07:18:20 <MokoN00b> how about "fulminate"
Aug 29 07:18:44 <MokoN00b> or "fulluminate"
Aug 29 07:18:52 <raster> hahaha
Aug 29 07:19:05 <MokoN00b> 8-)
Aug 29 07:19:32 <b0ib02> back, net dropped off
Aug 29 07:21:30 <beni_> emulli would be nice.
Aug 29 07:21:34 <Hopscotch> good morning
Aug 29 07:21:36 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re7084c12e6a9 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: fix e revert focus bug reported in #1858
Aug 29 07:21:38 <beni_> 2.0
Aug 29 07:22:08 <beni_> hm, i encountered a suspend/wakeup problem in FSO
Aug 29 07:22:23 <beni_> supsended it by short pressing power
Aug 29 07:22:32 <beni_> resumed it by short press to power again
Aug 29 07:22:45 <beni_> fr resumed, but after about 2 secs suspended again
Aug 29 07:22:47 <beni_> now its dead
Aug 29 07:23:24 <beni_> could only boot it by removing battery for some secs
Aug 29 07:25:54 <b0ib02> woa
Aug 29 07:26:09 <b0ib02> the faq doesent mention weather or not the freerunner can work with flash
Aug 29 07:26:13 <beni_> is that known? i thougt in FSO suspend works already?
Aug 29 07:26:20 <b0ib02> how will i watch booble!? D=
Aug 29 07:26:24 <MokoN00b> where is the take screenshot config
Aug 29 07:26:33 <MokoN00b> the file on the website doesnt exist
Aug 29 07:26:50 <MokoN00b> there is no /usr/share/sugar/shell/view/Shell.py
Aug 29 07:27:16 <MokoN00b> hold on
Aug 29 07:27:19 <MokoN00b> i think i found it
Aug 29 07:27:23 <MokoN00b> forget that
Aug 29 07:27:25 <MokoN00b> :)
Aug 29 07:29:27 <raster> aha!
Aug 29 07:29:29 <raster> fixes done!
Aug 29 07:30:05 <MokoN00b> wow, i asked that question in the wrong channel
Aug 29 07:30:26 <MokoN00b> im really having trouble deciding which window goes with what today
Aug 29 07:30:29 <MokoN00b> :-/
Aug 29 07:30:59 <PBeck> ahoi
Aug 29 07:36:55 <lpotter> sugar!
Aug 29 07:37:27 <MokoN00b> sugar might be pretty sweet on the openmoko
Aug 29 07:37:51 <MokoN00b> at least the wifi view would be super cool
Aug 29 07:45:23 <rwhitby> raster: I've been hacking on trying to get my GTA02 to actually work, and failing that, I've been hacking on getting a similar functionality on the GTA01 FSO.
Aug 29 07:45:51 <tkep> hey, any ideas on how to get a divx file to play on the phone?
Aug 29 07:46:06 <MokoN00b> i second that motion
Aug 29 07:46:14 <MokoN00b> we need a stable release
Aug 29 07:46:26 <MokoN00b> unstable is cool if you have something to fall back on
Aug 29 07:46:58 <raster> rwhitby:  aaah. a big uphill battle there
Aug 29 07:47:06 <MokoN00b> im kind of hoping android will magically solve this problem
Aug 29 07:47:16 <MokoN00b> :)
Aug 29 07:47:44 <MokoN00b> well, uphill battles are what free software is about, right?
Aug 29 07:47:49 <MokoN00b> 8-)
Aug 29 07:47:52 <TAsn> nah
Aug 29 07:48:01 <TAsn> uphill battles are plain fun
Aug 29 07:48:08 <MokoN00b> well, that too
Aug 29 07:48:09 <TAsn> ;0
Aug 29 07:48:21 <rwhitby> raster: I've got gsm, tango, numpty and orrery working on the gta01 so far
Aug 29 07:48:34 <MokoN00b> translation: if its not uphill, its not challenging
Aug 29 07:49:06 <rwhitby> the thing is, unlike a lot of people, for each step I take forward, I make sure it's then part of the standard image for everyone else.
Aug 29 07:50:55 <rwhitby> and whatever done is repeatably buildable and in the feeds
Aug 29 07:50:55 <tkep> so using om2008.8, is it possible to play divx files yet?
Aug 29 07:54:55 <TAsn> MokoN00b, downhill skiing can also be challenging
Aug 29 07:57:32 <tkep> this man speaks the truth
Aug 29 07:58:06 <MokoN00b> yeah, but uphill skiing really is a challenge
Aug 29 07:58:12 <tkep> touche
Aug 29 07:58:53 <TAsn> im not comparing challenges
Aug 29 07:59:05 <TAsn> im just disproving you previous statement
Aug 29 07:59:10 <TAsn> <MokoN00b> translation: if its not uphill, its not challenging
Aug 29 07:59:19 <MokoN00b> true enough
Aug 29 07:59:53 <MokoN00b> how about:  working against gravity is always more challenging than working with it?
Aug 29 08:00:35 <Stroller> Yeah, well, sometimes you can make life too easy, y'know?
Aug 29 08:00:58 <tkep> bedtime
Aug 29 08:01:11 <MokoN00b> i agree
Aug 29 08:01:17 <rwhitby> working with gravity usually hurts more :-)
Aug 29 08:01:26 <MokoN00b> thats why i was talking about a stable image
Aug 29 08:01:44 <TAsn> anyway i do agree we need a stable image ;)
Aug 29 08:02:01 <rwhitby> we have at least three stable images ...
Aug 29 08:02:05 <TAsn> but even more than that we need my moko ta arrive
Aug 29 08:02:09 <TAsn> to*
Aug 29 08:02:10 <MokoN00b> that depends whether youre working with gravity or it is working _on_ you
Aug 29 08:02:19 <rwhitby> OM2007.02, Om2008.8, FSO milestone2, ...
Aug 29 08:02:20 <TAsn> rwhitby, from what i hear they lake memory
Aug 29 08:02:31 <TAsn> *leak
Aug 29 08:02:42 <TAsn> by the galons
Aug 29 08:02:57 <Infoport> my previous phone worked with gravity when I threw it away. I'm still happier with the uphill battle of a developer phone :D
Aug 29 08:03:01 <MokoN00b> i think my definition of "stable" is probably different
Aug 29 08:03:04 <MokoN00b> :)
Aug 29 08:03:13 <MokoN00b> me, too
Aug 29 08:03:27 <MokoN00b> i have tons of things i cant do with "stable" phones that i want to do with this one
Aug 29 08:03:47 <MokoN00b> then again, there are tons of things i can do with "stable" phones that i cant do with this one
Aug 29 08:04:06 <MokoN00b> so, in a way, its sort of an apples to oranges problem
Aug 29 08:04:16 <rwhitby> MokoN00b: stable means that it doesn't change.  You want something stable with reasonable functionality too
Aug 29 08:04:38 <Infoport> this phone has ALL KINDS of potential, but the app that impresses everyone right away is STILL orrery! :)
Aug 29 08:04:46 <MokoN00b> and of course, i like apples _and_ oranges, so i want the best of both worlds
Aug 29 08:05:21 <TAsn> MokoN00b, from this one im also expecting to get steak and milkshakes :)
Aug 29 08:05:48 <MokoN00b> my definition of "stable" includes never crashing
Aug 29 08:06:10 <MokoN00b> anyway, im out of time
Aug 29 08:06:15 <MokoN00b> i have to get out of here
Aug 29 08:06:22 <rwhitby> there are no openmoko images that meet that criteria
Aug 29 08:06:30 <rwhitby> if you need that, buy a different phone
Aug 29 08:06:41 <rwhitby> (but good luck finding one that never crashes)
Aug 29 08:06:45 <Infoport> TAsn the Gestures app (uses accelerometers) does Shake-Shake :P
Aug 29 08:06:46 <ecraven> should orrery work in landscape mode?
Aug 29 08:06:49 <MokoN00b> well, i was hoping i could help to make it happen
Aug 29 08:07:05 <TAsn> Infoport, hehe, i saw that one :)
Aug 29 08:07:06 <MokoN00b> anyway, thats all the future
Aug 29 08:07:13 <MokoN00b> its not going to happen today
Aug 29 08:07:22 <rwhitby> MokoN00b: FSO is the image which has the least functionality, with the most emphasis on stability of that little functionality
Aug 29 08:07:36 <MokoN00b> yeah
Aug 29 08:07:38 <TAsn> rwhitby, is fso amazingly stable?
Aug 29 08:07:43 <MokoN00b> debian seems to be pretty stable
Aug 29 08:07:58 <TAsn> if so, what's the trouble comipling more stuff to it?
Aug 29 08:08:00 <MokoN00b> on debian, it is
Aug 29 08:08:09 <Infoport> ecraven I would *think* it does, but some of the orientation switching is flaky. I think the one through Gestures works better in general than switching via aux button
Aug 29 08:08:11 <rwhitby> TAsn: there is no problem
Aug 29 08:08:12 <MokoN00b> but you cant do much except make phone calls
Aug 29 08:08:17 <MokoN00b> GPS works nicely though
Aug 29 08:08:26 <TAsn> rwhitby, so what keeps it from being the main image?
Aug 29 08:08:27 <MokoN00b> although i havent managed to get maps for it
Aug 29 08:08:29 <Zoup_> where i can get development/testing images of om2008?
Aug 29 08:08:32 <ecraven> Infoport: i tried it on debian, and all the buttons vanish ;)
Aug 29 08:08:36 <ecraven> if i run xrandr -o 1
Aug 29 08:08:42 <MokoN00b> ask raster, he was just on
Aug 29 08:08:43 <rwhitby> TAsn: there is no main image
Aug 29 08:08:54 <MokoN00b> he made the best 2008 image ive seen
Aug 29 08:08:54 <TAsn> what do you mean?
Aug 29 08:09:06 <beni_> just tried to do: opkg install /home/root/libglib-2.0-0_2.16.4-r0_armv4t.ipk
Aug 29 08:09:06 <beni_> Multiple packages (libglib-2.0-0 and libglib-2.0-0) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER.  Using latest.
Aug 29 08:09:09 <rwhitby> openmoko's stated strategy is to deliver an empty phone and allow you to opkg install the package set you want
Aug 29 08:09:09 <beni_> Upgrading libglib-2.0-0 on root from 2.16.1-r5 to 2.16.4-r0...
Aug 29 08:09:12 <beni_> Segmentation fault
Aug 29 08:09:13 <Zorkman> ecraven: it works in landscape mode here, but indeed, teh buttons vannish
Aug 29 08:09:17 <beni_> Any ideas what i did wrong? (FSP of today)
Aug 29 08:09:23 <MokoN00b> okay
Aug 29 08:09:25 <MokoN00b> ttyl
Aug 29 08:09:25 <MokoN00b> :)
Aug 29 08:09:28 <ecraven> Zorkman: doesn't that kind of mean it doesn't work correctly?
Aug 29 08:09:29 <rwhitby> so you can opkg install fso or om2008.8 or debian or whatever
Aug 29 08:09:40 <rwhitby> or TAsn-package-set
Aug 29 08:09:50 <TAsn> what i mean
Aug 29 08:10:10 <TAsn> is there a way to get fso running *today* with a lot of software with just compiling stuff my own?
Aug 29 08:10:21 <TAsn> and being as stable as claimed?
Aug 29 08:10:26 <rwhitby> sure, all of OpenEmbedded runs on FSO
Aug 29 08:10:42 <TAsn> cool enough
Aug 29 08:10:48 <TAsn> so why don't everyone use fso?
Aug 29 08:10:56 <Zorkman> ecraven: yes it doesn't work correctly
Aug 29 08:10:59 <TAsn> and btw, is fso gtk or qt?
Aug 29 08:11:10 <Zorkman> ecraven: I emailed Ken Young about this
Aug 29 08:11:16 <rwhitby> TAsn: it's neither
Aug 29 08:11:19 <rwhitby> and both
Aug 29 08:11:23 <ecraven> Zorkman: is he the author?
Aug 29 08:11:32 <TAsn> rwhitby, you can install which you prefer?
Aug 29 08:11:34 <ecraven> it would be cool to have a way to use gps orientation for orienting orrery
Aug 29 08:11:50 <rwhitby> TAsn: if you compile it up, yes.
Aug 29 08:11:52 <Infoport> ecraven yeah the buttons disappeared for me now too (but I was switching with Aux too) Swapping orientation sometimes makes the screen think you are hitting a different spot, but it worked better for me with GEstures moving it.
Aug 29 08:12:16 <Infoport> ecraven, orrery already does that!
Aug 29 08:12:21 <TAsn> rwhitby, cool enough
Aug 29 08:12:24 <rwhitby> Infoport: he means direction
Aug 29 08:12:26 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * r643fd8141662 10/illume/illume/ (a-25.png a-26.png a-27.png a-28.png a-29.png a-30.png): illume theme: Sync with upstream illume theme to get gsm operator changes. Add needed images.
Aug 29 08:12:26 <rwhitby> not location
Aug 29 08:12:27 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * r850c2a1c1987 10/sounds/ (notify_charging.wav notify_discharging.wav): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:artwork
Aug 29 08:12:30 <TAsn> i will look into that when i get my phone
Aug 29 08:12:32 <TAsn> thanks :)
Aug 29 08:12:52 <Infoport> oh ok...I suggested that to KenYoung the other day, so he may add it in the future
Aug 29 08:12:55 <ecraven> Infoport: oh, then maybe i have an older version. for me, it gets the position, but not the orientation
Aug 29 08:12:58 <rwhitby> as far as I could tell, orrery uses GPS for location, but not direction (which would be hard)
Aug 29 08:13:12 <Zorkman> looks like someone found a possible sollution for echo withtou modifying the handsetstate
Aug 29 08:13:28 <rwhitby> it could only tell you the last direction you were facing when you were moving, and most people stay still while looking at the stars
Aug 29 08:13:32 <ecraven> direction should work if you say "take the orientation over the next 2 seconds" and then step a few steps forward
Aug 29 08:13:37 <Infoport> ecraven it would have to check while you moved a bit, but not just from jitter or it would swing around
Aug 29 08:14:02 <rwhitby> yep, walk around in the dark just to get a direction.  that will work ;-)
Aug 29 08:14:38 <Infoport> ecraven he might add something like that...he seemed to think it could be a good (optional) feature
Aug 29 08:15:35 <rwhitby> it would get very annoying if jitter turned the screen around when you were standing still, so it's gonna be hard to do properly
Aug 29 08:16:24 <ecraven> rwhitby: i'd suggest a button that only takes the readings from the next 2 seconds or so
Aug 29 08:17:00 <Infoport> rwhitby yeah it would have to be something that you choose for a moment, and not *too* sensitive
Aug 29 08:17:15 <Zorkman> ecraven: that is a good idea, though not a button on the main screen, but one in the config files
Aug 29 08:17:24 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * r2e284479719a 10/illume/illume/freerunner.edc: illume theme: Now really commit changes to the theme file
Aug 29 08:17:25 <Infoport> but hopefully enough that you dont have to walk but a few steps
Aug 29 08:17:38 <Zorkman> ecraven: mail ken young about this, he really likes feedback/new ideas
Aug 29 08:18:21 <Zorkman> but i don't know how accurate the accelerometers are (when you turn a few times around you axis and back, are they still calibrated good?)
Aug 29 08:19:59 <ecraven> what is uboot-envedit?? where do i get that?
Aug 29 08:20:32 <RedFlash> hi, i just installe om 2008.8 ... is there any possibility to enable the "old" multitab keyboard ?
Aug 29 08:21:47 <Zorkman> intel has bought OpenHand btw
Aug 29 08:22:55 <Zorkman> they're going to work at the moblin platform :(
Aug 29 08:23:15 <Zorkman> too bad intel doesn't make them work on armv4 lol :)
Aug 29 08:27:07 <tomcatek> hello
Aug 29 08:27:36 <Zorkman> llo
Aug 29 08:27:44 <Zorkman> (even the irc chan has an echo ;-))
Aug 29 08:27:59 <tomcatek> :]
Aug 29 08:28:25 <Mononoke> lo 
Aug 29 08:29:02 <Mononoke> btw the way with calling on another phone and setting volumes in alsamixer does work ?
Aug 29 08:29:31 <Zorkman> it worked for me a while ago, but i tested again yesterday and i had  echo
Aug 29 08:29:53 <Zorkman> there is however an interesting mail on the ML about someone who might have fixed it WITHOUTH messing with handset.state
Aug 29 08:29:57 <Mononoke> Zorkman: are you sure that your alsasettings didn't get reset ? :/
Aug 29 08:31:05 <Zorkman> Mononoke: I'm absolutely sure it got reset :) but I re-edited it
Aug 29 08:31:13 <Zorkman> but there is a big chanse I made some mistakes
Aug 29 08:31:28 <Zorkman> I really think playing with the handset.state file can get you rid of most of the echo
Aug 29 08:32:06 <Mononoke> okay I'll have look but what worries me more is that wifi can't see a shit 
Aug 29 08:32:18 <Zorkman> Mononoke: use mofi?
Aug 29 08:32:30 <Mononoke> ? mofi ?
Aug 29 08:32:41 <Zorkman> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/028495.html
Aug 29 08:32:49 <Zorkman> a gui for connection to wifi
Aug 29 08:33:02 <Zorkman> mofi works for me "out of the box", even with a WPA2 encrypted AP
Aug 29 08:33:15 <Zorkman> (you just hbave to enter your password and you're set to go)
Aug 29 08:33:31 <Mononoke> nice :/ but I somehow preffer the old way with iwstuff ;.;
Aug 29 08:33:59 <Zorkman> btw: there are still bugs I think when you disconnect from an AP and want to reconnect to one
Aug 29 08:34:41 <Mononoke> oh I just made 8 hours of uptime without crash -,- oh wait I was asleep
Aug 29 08:34:51 <Zorkman> hehe
Aug 29 08:35:39 <Mononoke> imho the aux menu should contain restart X option ...
Aug 29 08:37:04 <Zorkman> Mononoke: file a bug please
Aug 29 08:37:26 <Zorkman> and choose "enhancement" as type
Aug 29 08:37:31 <Zorkman> (I made a .desktop icon to restart x)
Aug 29 08:42:52 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rf72c1382bd10 10/data/images/ (5 files): add missing buttons
Aug 29 08:47:26 <beni_> could anyoune please point me to the howto describing how to recompile .edj themes? i cant find it on the wiki
Aug 29 08:47:32 <beni_> but i am sure there is something
Aug 29 08:47:58 <Zorkman> beni_: you first need to decompile them
Aug 29 08:48:50 <Zorkman> beni_: there is a edje-utils package that contains edje_cc and edje_decc
Aug 29 08:49:28 <beni_> ahhh thanks
Aug 29 08:49:33 <Zorkman> np
Aug 29 08:49:58 <beni_> is there a way to install modified themes without overwriting the default ones?
Aug 29 08:50:12 <beni_> something like /home/root/.illume/mytheme
Aug 29 08:50:13 <beni_> ?
Aug 29 08:51:09 <beni_> argh:
Aug 29 08:51:10 <beni_> Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libcurl4_7.18.2-r0_armv4t.ipk
Aug 29 08:51:13 <beni_> Segmentation fault
Aug 29 08:53:21 <beni_> hell, it looks like half of the packages are broken today.
Aug 29 08:54:01 <beni_> is there something broken on my side?
Aug 29 08:54:10 <beni_> or do other ppl have similar issues?
Aug 29 08:57:54 <ecraven> now, let's see how well ./install.sh all works ;)
Aug 29 08:58:04 <Mononoke> hmm broken pycairo to use mofi i have to fix that :/
Aug 29 08:58:25 <ecraven> does cairo even work? i thought cairo had no 16bit backend? and our x is 16bit?
Aug 29 09:10:58 <tomcatek> wrr... i didn't kernel-module-g-ether kernel-module-cdc-ether
Aug 29 09:11:15 <tomcatek> installed those modules :/
Aug 29 09:12:11 <tomcatek> anuone knows how to get GPRS up and running using freerunner terminal ? ;)
Aug 29 09:12:36 <tomcatek> *any one
Aug 29 09:13:17 <ecraven> there was a guide on the wiki, i think
Aug 29 09:13:53 <tomcatek> yes.. but in there i have to modify some files
Aug 29 09:14:08 <tomcatek> and default keyboard have no escape character
Aug 29 09:14:16 <ecraven> ah, ok.. then you're probably stuck :-/
Aug 29 09:14:27 <tomcatek> (i just recived my FR :) )
Aug 29 09:14:54 <tomcatek> i have to wait and do it at home via wifi
Aug 29 09:15:03 <tomcatek> i hope it will work..
Aug 29 09:15:23 <ecraven> if you use FSO, there's dbus support for GPRS i think
Aug 29 09:15:41 <tomcatek> i have default system
Aug 29 09:16:15 <tomcatek> it is OM007.something
Aug 29 09:16:25 <tomcatek> i think et least
Aug 29 09:16:37 <tomcatek> uname -a doesn't shows anything like that
Aug 29 09:17:32 <RedFlash> hi, I use om2008 but i get alwy segmentation faults on executing gtk apps. anyone has the same error ? (used fix for this bug http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1718)
Aug 29 09:17:54 <beni_> RedFlash: i get segfaults on opkg install "something"
Aug 29 09:17:54 <tomcatek> worst thing is, that it don't wants to charge battery now
Aug 29 09:19:02 <RedFlash> beni_: opkg install works for me ... (just tested with installing gpsd)
Aug 29 09:20:12 <tomcatek> so i have very limited  number of tries
Aug 29 09:22:27 <beni_> Not every package fails.
Aug 29 09:24:47 <fale_> is there a guide to compile qtopia?
Aug 29 09:30:10 <RedFlash> hmm ... i was able to install http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libcurl4_7.18.2-r0_armv4t.ipk
Aug 29 09:31:32 <beni_> i reflash my FR now, maybe i borked it up.
Aug 29 09:31:43 <beni_> for FSO, what should be placed below /etc/opk?
Aug 29 09:31:57 <beni_> is it okay, if there are several files there?
Aug 29 09:33:12 <xeros> hi
Aug 29 09:33:18 <xeros> I really need help
Aug 29 09:33:31 <xeros> I know it's been discussed before, but...
Aug 29 09:33:45 <xeros> I have no sound in 2007.2 from daily-feeds
Aug 29 09:34:38 <tomcatek> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=kernel-module-g-ether <- which one is for FR? AFAIK i use OM2007, but i can't find any processor type matching one specified in wiki
Aug 29 09:34:38 <xeros> I've go pulseaudio misc
Aug 29 09:35:07 <xeros> I've done scripts for suspend - pactl suspend-sink 1 and 0 on resume
Aug 29 09:35:32 <xeros> sorry - I've got no soound after resume
Aug 29 09:35:59 <xeros> I've tried to restart and start/stop pulseaudio
Aug 29 09:36:36 <xeros> I've get *.state files from someone who's got sound working properly in 2007.2
Aug 29 09:36:49 * XorA guesses Gary McKinnon is going to have to find a country with no extradition treaty with US
Aug 29 09:36:53 <xeros> nothing from these helps
Aug 29 09:37:46 <xeros> dmesg doesn't say any problems before suspend and after resume
Aug 29 09:38:16 <xeros> when I reboot - sound is fine to the time when I suspend
Aug 29 09:38:44 <xeros> no matter if I use timing suspend in menu or I'll do 'apm -s' - the same effect
Aug 29 09:40:57 <xeros> does anyone have any clue for this problem?
Aug 29 09:43:28 <Zorkman> anybody know anything about http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/db7c42afe2a8d87f7bba0684b29ce252.png ?
Aug 29 09:44:08 <XorA> First rule of MokoFight
Aug 29 09:44:16 <Zorkman> :D
Aug 29 09:44:21 <Zorkman> lol XorA
Aug 29 09:44:44 <Zorkman> do you know what is used to play flash files (like on http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/60c038c3398dfbe5d812edf834c4c37e.png ?)
Aug 29 09:44:50 <Zorkman> and if it works with a decent framerate?
Aug 29 09:45:06 <XorA> swfdec?
Aug 29 09:45:34 <alphaone> gnash?
Aug 29 09:47:16 <Zorkman> but no ipk's available at the moment it seems
Aug 29 09:47:29 <Zorkman> aha,  thre is for gnash
Aug 29 09:47:40 <xeros> om-gta02:~# opkg install swfdec gnash
Aug 29 09:47:40 <xeros> Installing gnash (0.8.2-r1) to root...
Aug 29 09:47:40 <xeros> Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/gnash_0.8.2-r1_armv4t.ipk
Aug 29 09:47:40 <xeros> Installing libgnashbase (0.8.2-r1) to root...
Aug 29 09:47:40 <xeros> Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libgnashbase_0.8.2-r1_armv4t.ipk
Aug 29 09:47:41 <xeros> Installing libboost-thread-mt1.33.1 (1.33.1-r1) to root...
Aug 29 09:47:43 <xeros> Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libboost-thread-mt1.33.1_1.33.1-r1_armv4t.ipk
Aug 29 09:47:45 <xeros> Installing libboost-date-time1.33.1 (1.33.1-r1) to root...
Aug 29 09:47:47 <xeros> Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libboost-date-time1.33.1_1.33.1-r1_armv4t.ipk
Aug 29 09:47:49 <xeros> Installing libgnashserver (0.8.2-r1) to root...
Aug 29 09:47:51 <xeros> Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libgnashserver_0.8.2-r1_armv4t.ipk
Aug 29 09:47:53 <xeros> Installing libgnashamf (0.8.2-r1) to root...
Aug 29 09:47:55 <xeros> Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libgnashamf_0.8.2-r1_armv4t.ipk
Aug 29 09:47:57 <xeros> Installing gnash (0.8.2-r1) to root...
Aug 29 09:47:59 <xeros> sorry for flood
Aug 29 09:48:13 <Zorkman> np, I found it just before you pasted :)
Aug 29 09:48:33 <Zorkman> hopefully it works "somewhat"
Aug 29 09:49:44 <beni_> hm, same again.
Aug 29 09:50:01 <beni_> i get segfaults with opkg and FSO of today.
Aug 29 09:51:39 <RedFlash> ok .. i am running ASU
Aug 29 09:52:34 <XorA> http://failblog.org/2008/08/28/religion-fail/
Aug 29 09:52:35 <XorA> :-D
Aug 29 09:52:57 <Zorkman> :)
Aug 29 09:55:09 <malik1972> some kernel gurus here?
Aug 29 09:55:26 <Zorkman> damn gnash is running slow on the FR :)
Aug 29 09:55:43 <Zorkman> 0.25 fps or so :)
Aug 29 09:55:55 <Zorkman> and it's the simplest flash I have ever made :)
Aug 29 09:56:15 <malik1972> XorA: could there be a relation between the gps software fix and the "loosing my sd card partition" bug?
Aug 29 09:56:27 <beni_> strangely enough, opkg install http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/agpsui_0.1_armv4t.ipk works, so it maybe is aproblem of the repository
Aug 29 09:56:30 <beni_> ?
Aug 29 09:57:57 <ecraven> malik1972: the neo borked my partition table even with a kernel prior to the gps/sd fix
Aug 29 09:58:16 <malik1972> ecraven: thanx for that info
Aug 29 09:58:40 <malik1972> ecraven: do you have a solution to get back all of your data?
Aug 29 09:58:58 <ecraven> malik1972: save early, save often
Aug 29 09:59:10 <ecraven> malik1972: not a big help, but the only thing i found that works
Aug 29 09:59:14 <malik1972> ecraven: the dd backup/restore does not restore my vfat partition (1st one)
Aug 29 09:59:18 <ecraven> also, don't use resume/suspend
Aug 29 09:59:36 <ecraven> malik1972: you can use dd on the entire device, not only one partition
Aug 29 09:59:45 <ecraven> then you'll save everything
Aug 29 09:59:54 <XorA> malik1972: this the one where partition table ends up blank?
Aug 29 09:59:57 <malik1972> ecraven: 8gb are too much
Aug 29 10:00:15 <ecraven> malik1972: gzip it ;)
Aug 29 10:00:30 <ecraven> but honestly, this bug *needs* to be fixed asap
Aug 29 10:00:39 <malik1972> XorA: i backuped the first 1024 bytes of the sd card
Aug 29 10:01:11 <XorA> malik1972: I think the comment in the bug tracker may be accurate, there is not enough clocks to finish the last command before suspend happens
Aug 29 10:01:14 <malik1972> its driving me crazy
Aug 29 10:01:25 <XorA> malik1972: but Im not an SD expert
Aug 29 10:02:02 <malik1972> XorA: so one may use a workaround, before suspend/resume doing something on the sd?
Aug 29 10:03:19 <ecraven> malik1972: you can try just creating a new partition table with the correct size for the fat partition, then it might just work
Aug 29 10:03:26 <ecraven> don't format it though ;)
Aug 29 10:03:51 <malik1972> ecraven: tried this before, it does not work
Aug 29 10:04:29 <malik1972> ecraven: partitions 2,3 and 4 (all ext) are restored, the first one not, i have to use mkfs.vfat for that
Aug 29 10:05:10 <ecraven> ok, then my best suggestion is    dd | gzip 
Aug 29 10:06:02 <malik1972> ecraven: someone posted a dirty workaround for that problem on the ml, cant find it
Aug 29 10:10:20 <Rupert_> I'd like to clear up /etc/opkg and would be very grateful if somebody could point me to the wiki page that I can't find. I know that if I get the wrong repositary I could potentially make a mess of my current image (Raster's). I have instructions from an email to say that I create a updates.conf file in this directory. There are already 6 files in this directory should I get rid of them? What do they do.
Aug 29 10:18:05 <xeros> ok, I've solved my problem with audio after resume with removing navit and speach-dispatcher as in last comment on bug #1599
Aug 29 10:18:31 <xeros> it's been speech-dispatcher issue
Aug 29 10:46:06 <Dave> xeros, hah! or so you think :D
Aug 29 10:46:11 <Dave> ecraven!
Aug 29 10:46:19 <Dave> come forth!
Aug 29 10:47:38 <ecraven> ;) just installing debian (again)
Aug 29 10:48:20 <Dave> reinstalling? What, you blew up the first install? :D
Aug 29 10:50:30 <kvk> im tyring to play with my free-runner, i have copied song to media-card. how to play the song??
Aug 29 10:50:40 <ecraven> no, i'm trying the new and shiny debian :)
Aug 29 10:50:50 <Dave> haah
Aug 29 10:50:58 <Dave> for a minute I thought that said new and shitty debian
Aug 29 10:51:02 <Dave> which would also be true :P
Aug 29 10:51:30 <ecraven> nono ;) 
Aug 29 10:51:42 <ecraven> so far i like debian best of all the distros for the neo
Aug 29 10:51:56 <Dave> yeah yeah
Aug 29 10:52:02 <Dave> no neod, so it must be your favorite :P
Aug 29 10:52:07 <Dave> and no openmoko-today
Aug 29 10:52:21 <Dave> maybe a hald (less shitty though)
Aug 29 10:55:22 <kvk> i have installed mplayer successfully in free-runner, but when im trying to play song it is giving error " while loading shared libraries: libXv.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory ". anyone help me in solving this error??
Aug 29 10:55:48 <Dave> heehee
Aug 29 10:55:55 <Dave> yeah :p
Aug 29 10:56:17 <Dave> what format is the file in? :P
Aug 29 10:57:09 <Wonka> i had that problem yesterday...
Aug 29 10:57:25 <Wonka> kvk: use mplayer from the celtune archive, that one works
Aug 29 10:57:46 <Dave> right
Aug 29 10:57:55 <Dave> http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/libxv1_1.0.3-r1_armv4t.ipk
Aug 29 10:58:00 <Wonka> kvk: that one also has dependencies on libxv and libmp3lame, and those packages there actually contain files
Aug 29 10:58:17 <Dave> you noticed that :P
Aug 29 10:58:38 <Dave> http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/libmp3lame0_3.96.1-r4_armv4t.ipk
Aug 29 10:58:49 <Wonka> yeah. thank you, openmoko, for providing current and working packages on your buildhost... O.o
Aug 29 10:58:57 <Dave> YOU'RE WELCOME
Aug 29 10:58:59 <Dave> ^_^
Aug 29 10:59:16 * Dave thanks Xora appropriately
Aug 29 10:59:56 <Dave> Behold, the power of Fish!
Aug 29 11:00:05 * Dave slaps Xora around with a musty old cod
Aug 29 11:00:37 <Proton23> What I did: download the makefile with wget, in makefile changed OM_GIT_BRANCH to org.openmoko.asu.stable, make setup, make setup-machine-freerunner and than make build-package-qt4-x11-free at result I got this http://pastebin.com/m25e30093
Aug 29 11:00:48 <Proton23> What did I do wrong?
Aug 29 11:03:14 <rwhitby> Proton23: you didn't do anything wrong
Aug 29 11:03:51 <Proton23> rwhitby: It's good to hear. :)
Aug 29 11:03:52 <Dave> heh
Aug 29 11:04:01 <Proton23> But why did it fail?
Aug 29 11:04:21 <Dave> they set you up the bomb?
Aug 29 11:04:25 <rwhitby> install: cannot stat `/media/daten/moko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/usr/bin/rcc4': No such file or directory
Aug 29 11:04:52 <kvk> Wonka: i have installed libxv on the device, but i cant able to find the library in /usr/lib.
Aug 29 11:04:54 <rwhitby> that seems to be why, unless there is another earlier error in /media/daten/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/qt4-x11-free-4.3.3-r10/temp/log.do_compile.1993
Aug 29 11:05:19 <rwhitby> Proton23: submit a bug report on openmoko
Aug 29 11:05:20 <Wonka> kvk: where did opkg download the .ipk from?
Aug 29 11:05:45 <ecraven> nice, nothing works now, unbootable ;-/
Aug 29 11:05:47 <Proton23> rwhitby: How to do that?
Aug 29 11:05:56 <Dave> Ecraven \o/
Aug 29 11:06:03 <Dave> So, maybe shitty, after all :P
Aug 29 11:06:09 <Proton23> I've never done it before
Aug 29 11:06:53 <kvk> Wonka: From  http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/
Aug 29 11:07:04 <cheesy> you have no chance to survive make your time
Aug 29 11:07:58 <balzar> has the battery lifetime gotten better after the release of OM 2008 ??
Aug 29 11:08:47 <Dave> not really
Aug 29 11:09:05 <Dave> Mr. Batteryman hasn't been doing his job ... :p
Aug 29 11:09:29 <Dave> His significant other took away his openmoko or something :P
Aug 29 11:10:47 <balzar> Mrs. Battery ?
Aug 29 11:11:39 <balzar> Mrs. Battery drains Mr. Batteryman
Aug 29 11:11:56 <balzar> :-)
Aug 29 11:11:56 <Dave> haha
Aug 29 11:11:56 <Dave> huhu
Aug 29 11:11:56 <Dave> :P
Aug 29 11:24:15 <admiral0> hi everybody
Aug 29 11:27:39 <Wonka> kvk: those are broken. install the ones from celtune
Aug 29 11:28:11 <Nobody96> moin
Aug 29 11:29:11 <kvk> Wonka: i will try now.
Aug 29 11:31:01 <kvk> Wonka: do you any material regarding AT commands in which % commands are there like (AT%CACM, AT% STDR.....)
Aug 29 11:31:38 <Wonka> kvk: i have nothing about that at the moment
Aug 29 11:31:51 <kvk> Wonka: ok
Aug 29 11:33:07 <white_gecko> hello
Aug 29 11:34:12 <white_gecko> for rana and lint-wifi i get the following errors, when i try to start them: http://paste.debian.net/15914/
Aug 29 11:34:22 <white_gecko> something witch init and python
Aug 29 11:34:31 <white_gecko> but, what is wrong?
Aug 29 11:34:55 <white_gecko> when i start rana on my pc everything works
Aug 29 11:38:43 <RedFlash> white_gecko: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1718
Aug 29 11:39:57 <vililikku> hello! What's the best os for neo 1973?
Aug 29 11:42:34 <white_gecko> RedFlash: thankyou, but my /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/_init_.py is empty
Aug 29 11:43:20 <white_gecko> ah ok __init__.py
Aug 29 11:43:39 <kvk> Wanko: i have tried what you have said but getting error like " Collected errors:  * Packages were found, but none compatible with the architectures configured * "
Aug 29 11:44:35 <twyleg> hey, where do I have to put Icons for Mian Menu Shortcuts to access?
Aug 29 11:48:35 <RedFlash> whie_gecko: yeah ... its __init__.py ... normaly it should solve the problem ... unfortunatly for me, it didn't ... i now get seg faults
Aug 29 11:49:24 <white_gecko> oh for me it works
Aug 29 11:50:02 <white_gecko> where are the mainscreen-icons stored
Aug 29 11:50:20 <white_gecko> i want to add a programm-link to the mainscreen
Aug 29 11:50:42 <white_gecko> is /usr/share/applications coreckt?
Aug 29 11:51:03 <Zorkman> yes white_gecko
Aug 29 11:51:48 <twyleg> and where are the Icon files for these Shortcuts?
Aug 29 11:52:06 <rwhitby> vililikku: I find fso to be the best for gta01
Aug 29 11:52:22 <rwhitby> (since it's the only recent one which has supported images and feeds)
Aug 29 11:52:28 <rwhitby> (for the GTA01 that is)
Aug 29 11:56:20 <vililikku> rwhitby: okey, i'll try it
Aug 29 11:58:28 <RedFlash> NETDEV WATCHDOG usb0: transmit timed out <-- somebody knows what could be the problem ?
Aug 29 12:00:54 <Zorkman> btw: for those interested: http://openmoko.opendevice.org/mokofight/
Aug 29 12:17:10 <dolf1074> what's the best way to restart om2008.8?
Aug 29 12:18:11 <Veggen> my reflexes say "shutdown -r now" :)
Aug 29 12:18:21 <Veggen> it's Linux.
Aug 29 12:18:35 <dolf1074> and how do you go into the terminal
Aug 29 12:18:57 <Veggen> hmm. there *is* probably a more official way.
Aug 29 12:19:05 <Veggen> you'll need to install a terminal.
Aug 29 12:19:24 <dolf1074> but without internet you can't
Aug 29 12:19:29 <nyu> dolf1074: shutdown button?
Aug 29 12:19:45 <dolf1074> and you need to restart om2008.8 after the first start
Aug 29 12:19:49 <dolf1074> so it's a circle
Aug 29 12:20:23 <harnir> anybody konows where's the configuration of default app buttons in the Today screen in 2007.2?
Aug 29 12:20:48 <dolf1074> if I push the shutdown button, my screen become black and if i push the shutdown again, om2008.8 is back
Aug 29 12:20:58 <harnir> dolf1074: tried connecting through USB?
Aug 29 12:22:29 <dolf1074> yes, I couldn't connect
Aug 29 12:23:20 <dolf1074> and on the wiki stands: "Usb-networking will not work until rebooted after initial boot. "
Aug 29 12:23:27 <dolf1074> So therefor I want to reboot :p
Aug 29 12:24:01 <Zorkman> dolf1074: "reboot" also works
Aug 29 12:24:14 <dolf1074> But what's the best way to reboot?
Aug 29 12:24:14 <harnir> weird... I think it worked for me the first time...
Aug 29 12:24:17 <Zorkman> dolf1074: or prezss and hold powerbutton
Aug 29 12:24:20 <RedFlash> you have to push the shutdownbutton until is shows "shuttuing down"
Aug 29 12:24:26 <Dave> roflzorkmen
Aug 29 12:24:45 <dolf1074> thanks, that works
Aug 29 12:27:23 <CM_work> Taking out the battery is a quick way to power off too.. ;)
Aug 29 12:27:44 <RedFlash> lol
Aug 29 12:28:28 <Dave> I'm tired of these motherfucking bugs, on my motherfucking freerunner!
Aug 29 12:28:38 <Zorkman> :)
Aug 29 12:29:12 <Zorkman> I'm still hoping mu interference will kill the bugs
Aug 29 12:29:34 <Zorkman> or at least mutate them to something I can use to scare away old ladies
Aug 29 12:30:29 <Dave> I need to find out how to interface with scap via PC
Aug 29 12:30:48 <Dave> I have many screenshots, some of which I would like to throw up on scap for development purposes.
Aug 29 12:31:44 <Zorkman> looked at gpe-scap?
Aug 29 12:31:54 <Zorkman> *source of
Aug 29 12:32:06 <Marcel_M> Dave: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/tickle.php and "secret" as password
Aug 29 12:32:26 <Dave> oh, really? :p
Aug 29 12:32:57 <Dave> heehee, cute :p
Aug 29 12:33:03 <Dave> Who maintains scap anyway?
Aug 29 12:33:06 <Dave> Who put it together?
Aug 29 12:33:22 <Dave> The site has a distinct lack of information, which I somewhat appreciate :)
Aug 29 12:35:07 <Marcel_M> :)
Aug 29 12:35:12 <b0ib0t> hey homies
Aug 29 12:35:28 <Dave> nordmenn!
Aug 29 12:36:43 <sicu> nordmenn =D
Aug 29 12:36:57 <Dave> s'kjera? :]
Aug 29 12:37:49 <sicu> ikkje stort ^^
Aug 29 12:37:53 <Dave> :D
Aug 29 12:38:14 <Dave> hvor i norge kommer du fra? :]
Aug 29 12:38:38 <sicu> kommer fra grimstad, men bor i oslo
Aug 29 12:38:40 <sicu> du da ?
Aug 29 12:38:58 <Dave> ^^
Aug 29 12:39:07 <Dave> US :(
Aug 29 12:41:02 <sicu> heh...most americans I've met don't even know where norway is, so I'm impressed you're down with the lingo ;p
Aug 29 12:41:18 <Dave> ja ja :D
Aug 29 12:41:27 <Dave> tusen takk ^^
Aug 29 12:42:09 <tomcatek> most of americans thinkls, that europe is one country :/
Aug 29 12:42:16 <Dave> haha :D
Aug 29 12:42:57 <sicu> Dave: er du f�dt og oppvokst i usa?
Aug 29 12:43:06 <Dave> ~_~
Aug 29 12:43:06 <apt> STOP DOING THAT!
Aug 29 12:43:21 <Dave> ja
Aug 29 12:43:23 <sicu> tomcatek: lol, yeh, I've met a few of them myself ;)
Aug 29 12:43:29 <Dave> :o
Aug 29 12:43:54 <sicu> apt: feeling left out? ;)
Aug 29 12:44:00 <ieatlint> norway? isn't that near chile?
Aug 29 12:44:11 <sicu> lol ... nice
Aug 29 12:44:17 <ieatlint> :P
Aug 29 12:44:30 <Dave> hahaha
Aug 29 12:45:17 <sicu> in that case I think there might be something seriously wrong with my neo gps :p
Aug 29 12:45:18 * ieatlint loves that there's an Øksfjord in norway
Aug 29 12:45:24 <b0ib0t> i almost got a job in norway
Aug 29 12:45:26 <Dave> :]
Aug 29 12:45:37 <Dave> sicu XD
Aug 29 12:45:44 <b0ib0t> Programmer for Funcom... they didnt hire me though, said i needed 6 more months experience
Aug 29 12:45:51 <b0ib0t> i plan to apply again next year ^^
Aug 29 12:45:58 <Dave> er det full?
Aug 29 12:46:06 <Dave> :P
Aug 29 12:46:33 <sicu> heh, 6 more months, at least they were specific about it
Aug 29 12:46:45 <Dave> :)
Aug 29 12:47:15 <Dave> Time to backup my freerunners
Aug 29 12:48:43 <sicu> plural ... my single one is giving me enough grief, no need for more :p
Aug 29 12:48:58 <Dave> :D
Aug 29 12:49:01 <Dave> Yeah
Aug 29 12:51:32 <RedFlash> hmm i cant connect to my freerunner anymore ...
Aug 29 12:51:44 <Dave> Maybe it doesn't like you anymore.
Aug 29 12:51:44 <ieatlint> you're not cool unless you have more than one freerunner
Aug 29 12:51:49 <RedFlash>  NETDEV WATCHDOG usb0: transmit timed out 
Aug 29 12:51:59 <Dave> Ieatlint, does that make me insanely cool, then?
Aug 29 12:52:03 <Dave> Redflash, that again? -_-
Aug 29 12:52:05 <ieatlint> oh if your pronounced name ends in a vowel
Aug 29 12:52:14 <ieatlint> or
Aug 29 12:52:40 <sicu> vowel ftw ^^
Aug 29 12:52:54 <Dave> ~_~
Aug 29 12:52:55 <apt> STOP DOING THAT!
Aug 29 12:53:00 <Dave> apt: drit i det!
Aug 29 12:53:04 <Dave> -_-;
Aug 29 12:53:26 <sicu> stop doing what ... ? :p
Aug 29 12:53:39 <b0ib0t> my freerunners dont ship till next week =[
Aug 29 12:53:45 <b0ib0t> i'll have em by thrusday
Aug 29 12:53:52 <Dave> apt: forepult?
Aug 29 12:53:59 <Dave> apt: forpult
Aug 29 12:54:04 <Dave> hehe
Aug 29 12:54:05 <sicu> dave: lol]
Aug 29 12:54:15 <Dave> apt: du er gærn!
Aug 29 12:54:38 <Dave> stupid bot.
Aug 29 12:55:33 <Dave> hahahahahaha
Aug 29 12:55:38 <Dave> rsync via gprs
Aug 29 12:56:14 <Dave> t0h terve
Aug 29 12:56:21 <harnir> My customized matchbox-keyboard: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/
Aug 29 12:56:33 <sicu> hmmm, soon time to test firefox on my fr
Aug 29 12:57:29 <Dave> mitä kuuluu?
Aug 29 12:57:43 <sicu> harnir: good job, making the norwegian one next? ;)
Aug 29 12:58:40 <sicu> Dave: you know way to many languages
Aug 29 12:58:52 <harnir> sicu: how many national letters do you have? if they'll fit in the top row, why not? :-)
Aug 29 12:59:27 <sicu> we only have 3 ekstra =) :: � � �
Aug 29 13:00:24 <harnir> nice, so the rest of the row can be used for some frequent shell chars: - ~ / | \ * ?
Aug 29 13:00:44 <sicu> great =D
Aug 29 13:00:50 <harnir> I'm planning to put them there in the English version
Aug 29 13:01:08 <sicu> cool, I'd be interested in both =)
Aug 29 13:01:08 <harnir> I'll release it in 2-3 days after some tweaking
Aug 29 13:01:21 <Dave> sicu ^^
Aug 29 13:02:06 <Dave> harnir, I hope that's a toggled keyboard layout, and not replacing the real keyboard (otherwise that'd be stupid)
Aug 29 13:02:19 <Dave> sicu: RAKASTAN NORJALAISIA!
Aug 29 13:02:32 <harnir> Dave: it's a matchbox keyboard layout
Aug 29 13:02:45 <sicu> my FR is clean atm, just trying to decide which distros to put on it
Aug 29 13:02:46 <Dave> harnir, but how do you bring it up?
Aug 29 13:03:02 <Dave> I hear the debian distro is becoming decent.
Aug 29 13:03:06 <harnir> Dave: button on the tray on top
Aug 29 13:03:16 <harnir> Dave: I'm using 2007.2
Aug 29 13:03:24 <Dave> harnir, how do you type in regular letters?
Aug 29 13:03:41 <harnir> Dave: third screenshot on the page
Aug 29 13:03:46 <Dave> ...
Aug 29 13:04:02 <Dave> looks annoying
Aug 29 13:04:12 <Dave> but thanks anyway :P
Aug 29 13:04:24 <Dave> are you one of those polish freaks?
Aug 29 13:04:35 <harnir> you could say that ;-)
Aug 29 13:04:50 <harnir> Dave: what's annoying about it?
Aug 29 13:04:52 <Dave> heh, seems like
Aug 29 13:05:11 <Dave> well for one thing, [the default layout] it's useful primarily for only polish speaking people
Aug 29 13:05:15 <sicu> hehe, aren't we all freaks
Aug 29 13:05:19 <Dave> no one else really uses those letteres 
Aug 29 13:05:48 <harnir> Dave: you mean top row? I'll put some useful extra chars like / | - * ? there in the English version
Aug 29 13:05:54 <harnir> so you can use shell more easily
Aug 29 13:06:02 <Dave> Oh, there's an English version?
Aug 29 13:06:04 <Dave> :)
Aug 29 13:06:08 <harnir> Dave: there will be
Aug 29 13:06:10 <Dave> You didn't say that!
Aug 29 13:06:11 <Dave> :D
Aug 29 13:06:19 <Dave> I don't mind so much then :P
Aug 29 13:06:24 <harnir> besides, you can write in English on this one as well
Aug 29 13:06:29 <sicu> dave: but you will have to use the polish version :p
Aug 29 13:06:34 <Dave> Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Aug 29 13:06:36 <Dave> :[
Aug 29 13:08:06 <harnir> I've added another screenshot
Aug 29 13:08:10 <Dave> oh great
Aug 29 13:08:16 <Dave> people spamming the fuck out of scap lately -_-
Aug 29 13:08:25 <Zorkman> harnir are you part of http://openmoko.opendevice.org/ ?
Aug 29 13:08:25 <harnir> it's switched layout for entering numbers (also hex numbers), MAC addresses, and such.
Aug 29 13:08:32 <Dave> I think I'm going to make my own scap.
Aug 29 13:08:33 <harnir> Zorkman: not really
Aug 29 13:08:42 <Dave> not really?
Aug 29 13:08:51 <Zorkman> only in "cyber space"?
Aug 29 13:09:16 <harnir> No, I just bought FR 'cause I needed some Linux device to play with
Aug 29 13:09:31 <harnir> and I'm a Linux user myself, sysadmin primarly
Aug 29 13:09:43 <sylar91> hi
Aug 29 13:09:57 <sylar91> I need help, somebody could help me please?
Aug 29 13:10:19 <sicu> dave: [2008-08-29 15:02:19] <Dave> sicu: RAKASTAN NORJALAISIA!
Aug 29 13:10:25 <sicu> dave:what was that ? 
Aug 29 13:10:25 <Zorkman> we don't know, we don't know what your problem is :)
Aug 29 13:10:37 <harnir> Please state the nature of the emergency.
Aug 29 13:10:47 <sylar91> I can't connect my new neo fr to internet with usb trought my pc
Aug 29 13:11:07 <harnir> sylar91: your os?
Aug 29 13:11:09 <sylar91> I followed the  guide some minutes ago, but It can't connect
Aug 29 13:11:14 <sylar91> 2008.08 update
Aug 29 13:11:20 <harnir> sylar91: your other os?
Aug 29 13:11:21 <Zorkman> sylar91: did you change your /etc/resolv.conf?
Aug 29 13:11:26 <sylar91> ubuntu
Aug 29 13:11:35 <harnir> sylar91: can you ping freerunner?
Aug 29 13:11:47 <sylar91> from the pc?
Aug 29 13:11:57 <harnir> yes
Aug 29 13:12:02 <sylar91> yes, I'm connect with ssh
Aug 29 13:12:07 <sylar91> only internet doesn't work
Aug 29 13:12:12 <rwhitby> sylar91: please tell us the output of "cat /etc/resolv.conf" on the freerunner
Aug 29 13:12:20 <sylar91> ok
Aug 29 13:12:33 <Dave> sicu :P
Aug 29 13:12:43 <Dave> ask a fin :P
Aug 29 13:12:45 <sylar91> root@om-gta02:~# cat /etc/resolv.conf
Aug 29 13:12:45 <sylar91> root@om-gta02:~# 
Aug 29 13:12:50 <sylar91> no output...
Aug 29 13:12:52 <rwhitby> sylar91: that's your problem
Aug 29 13:13:10 <sylar91> but I tried to ping a google ip
Aug 29 13:13:11 <sicu> yeh, you need to add the nameservers
Aug 29 13:13:15 <Zorkman> sylar91: it is documented on the wiki you have to change it
Aug 29 13:13:18 <sylar91> (no resolv problem) and it didn't ping...
Aug 29 13:13:37 <rwhitby> sylar91: it may not be your only problem of course ...
Aug 29 13:13:40 <Zorkman> sylar91: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Configure_Default_Neo_DNS
Aug 29 13:14:20 <harnir> btw, why "
Aug 29 13:14:40 <harnir> why "Polish freaks", if I can ask? they made trouble or what?
Aug 29 13:14:50 <sylar91> ok done root@om-gta02:~# cat /etc/resolv.conf
Aug 29 13:14:50 <sylar91> nameserver 208.67.200.200
Aug 29 13:14:50 <sylar91> nameserver 208.67.220.220
Aug 29 13:14:50 <sylar91> root@om-gta02:~# 
Aug 29 13:14:59 <Zorkman> harnir: dave doesn't like them spamming scap.linuxtogo :)
Aug 29 13:15:20 <Zorkman> harnir: but I like the unknown dudes :)
Aug 29 13:15:21 <sylar91> it doesn't run...
Aug 29 13:15:42 <harnir> it's Dave's scap.linuxtogo?
Aug 29 13:15:44 <Dave> well that's what it's there for, but if you saw a graph of posts and time, it's rapidly becoming exponential
Aug 29 13:15:46 <harnir> he can clean it up
Aug 29 13:15:52 <Dave> No, it's not mine.
Aug 29 13:16:07 <sylar91> sorry, somebody could help me? I can't connect again...
Aug 29 13:16:16 <sylar91> I setted a minute ago the dns
Aug 29 13:16:23 <harnir> Dave: honestly, I used it just now for the first time to show my keyboard.
Aug 29 13:16:31 <Dave> :D
Aug 29 13:16:34 <Dave> cool
Aug 29 13:16:36 <sicu> sylar91: did you restart the K40..something?
Aug 29 13:16:41 <harnir> sylar91: ping the dns address
Aug 29 13:16:43 <rwhitby> sylar91: "I can't connect again" - you need to be a bit more precise about the problem,
Aug 29 13:16:52 <rwhitby> sicu: should not be needed
Aug 29 13:16:56 <sylar91> ok, I can't ping anything
Aug 29 13:17:03 <sylar91> it seems an ubuntu problem...
Aug 29 13:17:13 <harnir> sylar91: set up forwarding & masquerade on ubuntu?
Aug 29 13:17:16 <rwhitby> can you ping the host?
Aug 29 13:17:19 <harnir> I have scripts
Aug 29 13:17:19 <rwhitby> (from the neo)
Aug 29 13:17:20 <harnir> moment
Aug 29 13:17:28 <sylar91> ping 192.168.0.200?
Aug 29 13:17:32 <rwhitby> yep
Aug 29 13:17:39 <sylar91> yes
Aug 29 13:17:45 <sylar91> I can ping the host
Aug 29 13:17:55 <Dave> Oh no, it's rwhitby
Aug 29 13:17:56 <rwhitby> ok, so it's a routing problem on the host, now that you've got DNS on the neo fixed.
Aug 29 13:18:07 <sylar91> what I had to do
Aug 29 13:18:08 <sylar91> ?
Aug 29 13:18:10 <harnir> sylar91: run this on ubuntu: http://nopaste.org/p/a6wWhtsmQ
Aug 29 13:18:58 <rwhitby> sylar91: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others - the wiki page tells you what to do for Ubuntu - did you read and implement that?
Aug 29 13:19:03 <sylar91> done
Aug 29 13:19:14 <sylar91> yes I done it
Aug 29 13:19:44 <sylar91> now it runs
Aug 29 13:19:46 <sylar91> :D
Aug 29 13:19:53 <rwhitby> sylar91: and did you reboot afterwards, or ifdown/ifup usb0 from a terminal on the neo (not via ssh)
Aug 29 13:20:00 <rwhitby> (not via ssh over usb that is)
Aug 29 13:20:12 <sylar91> now it runs
Aug 29 13:20:14 <sylar91> thanks
Aug 29 13:20:16 <sylar91> a lot
Aug 29 13:20:38 <rwhitby> sylar91: so what do you need to change on the wiki page to make sure it runs first time for the next person?
Aug 29 13:20:59 <sylar91> to reboot the networking service on ubuntu...
Aug 29 13:21:21 * rwhitby looks for the wiki update ... ;-)
Aug 29 13:21:30 <Dave> /etc/init.d/networking restart ?
Aug 29 13:21:36 <sylar91> yes...
Aug 29 13:21:49 <Dave> or ifupdown ?
Aug 29 13:21:55 <harnir> I guess I will have to make that account at some point...
Aug 29 13:22:03 <Dave> account?
Aug 29 13:22:27 <b0ib0t> Question
Aug 29 13:22:28 <sylar91> bye and thx again
Aug 29 13:22:34 <b0ib0t> is the freerunner physically sturdy?
Aug 29 13:22:51 <b0ib0t> i read somewhere it is manufactured to last only 2 years and this makes me worry
Aug 29 13:23:20 <harnir> Dave: on the wiki
Aug 29 13:23:51 <harnir> b0ib0t: well, I could break it with my bare hands if I would ever want to.
Aug 29 13:24:21 <harnir> besides, it depends on how you handle it.
Aug 29 13:24:22 <rwhitby> b0ib0t: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Robustness
Aug 29 13:24:25 <sicu> b0ib0t: in 2 years wouldnt its new home be the museum...?
Aug 29 13:25:08 <rwhitby> just don't apply 12V to the usb power lines ...
Aug 29 13:26:26 <rwhitby> sicu: that would be true for closed source phones
Aug 29 13:26:32 <edistar> where do I set the timezone in qtopia?
Aug 29 13:26:55 <rwhitby> I expect Neo's to be used for a long time in strange applications, due to the software being open and schematics being available.
Aug 29 13:27:00 <edistar> got it..
Aug 29 13:27:06 <sicu> rwhitby: your test fall of 1.3m ont the pavement, was this an intended test scenario? :p
Aug 29 13:27:14 <rwhitby> sicu: no
Aug 29 13:27:44 <rwhitby> neither was the 12V
Aug 29 13:28:09 <sicu> haha, thought the 12V was a joke
Aug 29 13:28:21 <rwhitby> nope, it killed two GTA01's
Aug 29 13:28:28 <sicu> ouch
Aug 29 13:28:53 <harnir> anybody knows where I can change the quick apps on the Today page in 2007.2?
Aug 29 13:30:09 <Dave> ~_~
Aug 29 13:30:10 <apt> STOP DOING THAT!
Aug 29 13:30:24 <Dave> apt: hold kjeft!
Aug 29 13:30:24 <harnir> ~_~
Aug 29 13:30:24 * apt Embraces kjeft! in a giant bear hug. Then gets bored and uses kjeft! as a chew toy.
Aug 29 13:30:26 <apt> STOP DOING THAT!
Aug 29 13:30:31 <Dave> hahaha
Aug 29 13:30:34 <harnir> :-)
Aug 29 13:31:02 <sicu> hehe
Aug 29 13:31:18 <Wonka> ~_~
Aug 29 13:31:19 <apt> STOP DOING THAT!
Aug 29 13:31:24 <Zorkman> apt: commands
Aug 29 13:31:35 <Wonka> apt: hold it
Aug 29 13:31:36 * apt Embraces it in a giant bear hug. Then gets bored and uses it as a chew toy.
Aug 29 13:31:37 <Zorkman> apt: help
Aug 29 13:32:11 <harnir> do you have an idea about better solution for remote controlling FR than x11vnc? it's horribly slow throught USB connection, WiFi will be better?
Aug 29 13:32:30 <edistar> harnir: no, wouldn't be better
Aug 29 13:32:37 <Zorkman> my wifi seems fucked up... only get 90kB/sec
Aug 29 13:32:42 <Zorkman> usb a little bit more...
Aug 29 13:32:51 <Zorkman> lag on wifi is also sometimes very high
Aug 29 13:32:59 <harnir> zedstar: better 90kB than 0kB ;-)
Aug 29 13:33:07 <Dave> edistar!
Aug 29 13:33:15 <edistar> Dave: yes!
Aug 29 13:33:24 <harnir> s/zedstar/Zorkman/
Aug 29 13:33:24 <apt> harnir meant: Zorkman: better 90kB than 0kB ;-)
Aug 29 13:33:44 <harnir> apt: nice app. Fetch!
Aug 29 13:33:46 * apt lowers app. Fetch!'s priority
Aug 29 13:33:50 <Dave> woot :p
Aug 29 13:33:52 <Dave> heehee
Aug 29 13:33:55 <Zorkman> yesterday i was raster, "now only" edistar, my programming skills are deteriorating :)
Aug 29 13:34:03 <Dave> :D
Aug 29 13:34:08 <Dave> not to mention your eyesight :p
Aug 29 13:34:12 <Zorkman> :D
Aug 29 13:34:18 <Dave> maybe that was mean :P
Aug 29 13:34:20 <Dave> oh well :D
Aug 29 13:34:22 <Zorkman> apt: lobotimy Dave
Aug 29 13:34:27 <Zorkman> apt: lobotomy Dave
Aug 29 13:34:28 * apt pulls out a rusty saw to perform a lobotomy on Dave
Aug 29 13:34:29 <Dave> lobotomize?
Aug 29 13:34:32 <Dave> oh gee, thanks
Aug 29 13:34:32 <edistar> Zorkman: hrm hrm ;)
Aug 29 13:34:37 <Zorkman> :-)
Aug 29 13:34:46 <Dave> woot
Aug 29 13:35:44 <Dave> waffles
Aug 29 13:36:53 * zedstar wakes up then goes back to sleep
Aug 29 13:37:17 <b0ib0t> do Om2007.2 apps run on Om2008.2?
Aug 29 13:37:29 <sicu> straight from a lobotomy to pancakes
Aug 29 13:37:32 <Zorkman> yes, they run on Om2008.8
Aug 29 13:37:38 <sicu> *waffles even :p
Aug 29 13:37:40 <b0ib0t> koo
Aug 29 13:38:40 <Dave> Man, people can be so slow.
Aug 29 13:38:55 <Dave> Yes, go back to sleep, zedstar :)
Aug 29 13:39:00 <Dave> sicu :P
Aug 29 13:39:08 <sicu> :p
Aug 29 13:39:41 <Dave> hva gjør du?
Aug 29 13:39:49 <Dave> runker? :P
Aug 29 13:39:50 <sicu> er treig :p
Aug 29 13:40:01 <sicu> haha, spot on
Aug 29 13:40:02 <Dave> :D
Aug 29 13:40:24 <Dave> bare hyggeli :p
Aug 29 13:40:44 <sicu> apt: STOP DOING THAT
Aug 29 13:40:45 * apt leaps to his feet and stops DOING THAT
Aug 29 13:40:52 <Dave> haha
Aug 29 13:41:12 <Zorkman> apt: news
Aug 29 13:41:24 <Dave> apt: jævla hæstkuk!
Aug 29 13:41:35 <sicu> haha
Aug 29 13:41:40 <Dave> :D
Aug 29 13:42:07 <Zorkman> apt: upsidedown I'm an Australian
Aug 29 13:42:10 <apt> uɐı̣ƮɐɹʇsnᏌ uɐ ɯ͵I
Aug 29 13:42:15 <Dave> -_-
Aug 29 13:42:22 <edistar> Dave: blimey, only got the eyesight joke just now..
Aug 29 13:42:53 <Dave> :p
Aug 29 13:43:29 <Dave> hardly :P
Aug 29 13:43:39 <Dave> lollerbelgie
Aug 29 13:45:41 <Dave> Zorkman, they must think it's some sort of game - like, how many useless screenshots can we post to scap in an hour!?
Aug 29 13:46:19 * sicu joins the scap game ^^
Aug 29 13:46:21 <Zorkman> well.. they are winning :)
Aug 29 13:46:34 <harnir> any chance for a better shell than /bin/sh? I tried to install bash, run it and it's still /bin/sh..
Aug 29 13:46:36 <Dave> -_-
Aug 29 13:46:39 <Dave> uggh
Aug 29 13:46:39 <harnir> I want my zsh...
Aug 29 13:46:43 <Dave> harnir, use bash?
Aug 29 13:46:52 <Dave> harnir: type: bash
Aug 29 13:46:59 <harnir> Dave: I've run 'bash' and it's still the same
Aug 29 13:47:05 <Dave> no it's not?
Aug 29 13:47:06 <tomcatek> or modify /etc/passwd
Aug 29 13:47:10 <matholio_> can anyone help me get mdbus to work on debian-fso ?
Aug 29 13:47:23 <Dave> tomcatek: hold on, I'm not berating him, yet!
Aug 29 13:47:26 <Dave> ;)
Aug 29 13:47:29 * zedstar licks Dave
Aug 29 13:47:31 <tomcatek> hehe
Aug 29 13:47:32 <Dave> ;D
Aug 29 13:47:35 <tomcatek> yet :)
Aug 29 13:48:12 <Dave> Mmm... speaking of waffles...
Aug 29 13:48:18 <Dave> I think I am going to go make some :D~
Aug 29 13:48:23 <sicu> anyone ported gentoo to their FR yet?
Aug 29 13:48:26 <Dave> Anyone else want some?
Aug 29 13:48:41 * tomcatek would like one
Aug 29 13:48:55 <Dave> :)
Aug 29 13:48:59 <Marcel_M> harnir: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/zsh_4.1.1-r2_armv4t.ipk
Aug 29 13:49:16 <Dave> heh
Aug 29 13:49:20 <Dave> what's next, mashey? :D
Aug 29 13:49:26 <Dave> muwahahahaha
Aug 29 13:49:26 <edistar> sicu: no point?
Aug 29 13:49:32 <harnir> where's aptitude when you need it?
Aug 29 13:49:39 <Dave> yeah
Aug 29 13:49:42 <Dave> optitude? :D
Aug 29 13:49:55 <tomcatek> hehe
Aug 29 13:49:59 <Zorkman> apt: itude
Aug 29 13:50:04 <harnir> besides - can anyone make a clear list of repositories, ie. what repository for what distribution? Or do I have to do it?
Aug 29 13:50:09 <Dave> haha it'd no doubt me more like attitude
Aug 29 13:50:14 <Dave> attitude infuriate user
Aug 29 13:50:31 <Zorkman> as long as it isn't the faulty altitude of FR gps...
Aug 29 13:50:38 <Dave> attitude --force install agony
Aug 29 13:50:45 <Dave> Zorkman, haha, weak.
Aug 29 13:51:05 <Tanuva> hmm... mpd on the neo has heavy problems with 48khz-audio. 44.1khz works fine...
Aug 29 13:51:39 <harnir> Marcel_M: zsh 4.1.1? any chance for an update?
Aug 29 13:52:16 <harnir> can I somehow use/convert .debs from ARM port of Debian and install it in OpenMoko?
Aug 29 13:53:26 <Dave> harnir, YES
Aug 29 13:53:27 <Marcel_M> harnir: sorry i got just this one
Aug 29 13:53:48 <Dave> but it can be painful, just because of the horrid opkg inflexibility in package naming scheme
Aug 29 13:53:51 <Dave> etc etc
Aug 29 13:54:03 <Dave> Tanuva, it IS heavy, I'm glad you noticed that ;)
Aug 29 13:54:33 <harnir> Dave: yeah, I noticed that... I'm fond of the dpkg and Debian package management...
Aug 29 13:55:10 <Dave> hell yeah!
Aug 29 13:55:16 <Dave> opkg is kind of a weak ripoff :P
Aug 29 13:55:19 <Dave> if you haven't notice already
Aug 29 13:55:50 <dolf1074> Hey, does anybody knows about om2008.8 and wpa? I tried the wpa_supplicant.conf method described on 'Neo FreeRunner Wifi' wikipage. Is it normal I get: run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/00avahi-autoipd exited with return code 1
Aug 29 13:56:11 <Dave> wifi works on 2008.8?
Aug 29 13:57:10 <Zorkman> dolf1074: install mofi
Aug 29 13:57:26 <Zorkman> then you don't have to mess with wpa_supp (at least i didn't have to do it)
Aug 29 13:57:44 <Zorkman> mofi also gives an error with return code 1 but it works :)
Aug 29 13:58:04 <Dave> haha, sounds like opk
Aug 29 13:58:05 <Dave> :p
Aug 29 13:58:07 <Dave> opkg
Aug 29 13:58:19 <si-m1> it worked for me too (mofi) but only once per boot
Aug 29 13:58:26 <Zorkman> jup
Aug 29 13:58:47 <sicu> that's more than anyone would need :p
Aug 29 13:59:16 <si-m1> it could detect new wifi hotspots after but it was just freezing when trying to connect
Aug 29 13:59:28 <Zorkman> i read something on the ML about our guys contacting the wifi chip makers about it
Aug 29 13:59:32 <Zorkman> and they proposed a method
Aug 29 13:59:44 <Zorkman> but it would involve moving wifi to a module and not in the kernel
Aug 29 13:59:54 <si-m1> ok
Aug 29 14:00:34 <Dave> What's the problem?
Aug 29 14:00:48 <Dave> Other than the freerunner isn't ready for 2008 yet. :P
Aug 29 14:01:11 <Zorkman> :D :D :D
Aug 29 14:01:13 <Zorkman> lol
Aug 29 14:01:17 <sicu> damn waffles, I'm hungry now ... cya later folks!
Aug 29 14:01:18 <Zorkman> who said that again?
Aug 29 14:01:20 <Zorkman> jadams?
Aug 29 14:01:21 <Dave> :D
Aug 29 14:01:26 * Dave sends sicu SIGFOOD
Aug 29 14:01:33 <Dave> zorkman, yep
Aug 29 14:01:38 <Zorkman> btw: has anyone read this page: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/028469.html ??
Aug 29 14:01:41 <Dave> such a cute noob
Aug 29 14:01:41 <Zorkman> damn hillarious
Aug 29 14:02:09 <Zorkman> michele renda's reply was funny too
Aug 29 14:03:20 <Dave> :D
Aug 29 14:03:50 <Zorkman> information about the WLAN stuff: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-August/001586.html
Aug 29 14:03:51 * Mononoke nods "coffee machine is mission critical"
Aug 29 14:04:00 <Zorkman> :)
Aug 29 14:04:44 <Mononoke> btw I thought I won't loose this one but I lost pen from openmoko :/ is there way to buy minimaly 10 pieces so It will take longer till I'll loose them all ?
Aug 29 14:04:52 <harnir> Thermometer? LOL. Aren't they available via USB?
Aug 29 14:04:53 <Dave> I'd rather just buy a woman, instead.
Aug 29 14:04:57 <ecraven> why is everything run as root under debianOnFreeRunner?? 
Aug 29 14:05:12 <Dave> ecraven, haha
Aug 29 14:05:14 <Dave> assy
Aug 29 14:05:23 <Zorkman> AND a barameter of course
Aug 29 14:05:27 <Dave> ecraven, must be because everyone is doing it, right? ;)
Aug 29 14:05:30 <Dave> barometer?
Aug 29 14:05:34 <Dave> zorkometer?
Aug 29 14:05:36 <Zorkman> suppose you find yourself stuck in a weatherballoon... you have to do something don't you?
Aug 29 14:06:02 <Dave> :o
Aug 29 14:06:05 <Dave> oh rofl
Aug 29 14:06:13 <ecraven> Dave: yes, always a good reason "everybody does it that way, so let's ignore that it's the *wrong* way"
Aug 29 14:06:17 <Dave> I should send you that story, zorkman (though I believe it was before internet was around)
Aug 29 14:06:18 <Mononoke> he forgot geiget's computer
Aug 29 14:06:23 <Dave> you'd laugh your fucking ass off
Aug 29 14:06:27 <Zorkman> which story?
Aug 29 14:06:28 <Mononoke> nuclear war is still behind doors >.>
Aug 29 14:06:30 <Dave> ecraven, exactly!
Aug 29 14:06:40 <ecraven> i'll just go back to my own debian :-P
Aug 29 14:06:44 <Dave> zorkman, about an american guy who tied weather balloons to his lawn chair
Aug 29 14:06:51 <Dave> and ended up going into the sky
Aug 29 14:06:54 <Dave> and got trapped
Aug 29 14:06:56 <paroneayea> alright, so I've discovered that my 1973's audio works great in the FSO nightly I downloaded.. but doesn't work at all in debian... anyone have any idea on how to get started with fixing that/troubleshooting?  Running alsaconf didn't help
Aug 29 14:07:03 <Zorkman> :):) hoax?
Aug 29 14:07:25 <Dave> and it wasn't until a commercial aircraft flew by and radioed into his control tower that he saw what appeared to be a 'guy' in a lawnchair, next to him
Aug 29 14:07:28 <Zorkman> lawn chair larry
Aug 29 14:07:38 <Dave> that I believe the coast guard was sent out to rescue him and get him down
Aug 29 14:07:38 <Dave> :P
Aug 29 14:07:40 <Dave> quite amusing
Aug 29 14:07:43 <Dave> but yeah, totally stupid
Aug 29 14:07:50 <Dave> he said he miscalculated
Aug 29 14:07:51 <Zorkman> he got a darwin award
Aug 29 14:08:10 <Dave> huh?
Aug 29 14:08:18 <Zorkman> ah no, thats impossible because he survived
Aug 29 14:08:22 <Zorkman> don't you know darwin awards?
Aug 29 14:08:28 <Dave> kill yourself?
Aug 29 14:08:28 <Zorkman> http://www.darwinawards.com
Aug 29 14:08:30 <Dave> but he didn't die
Aug 29 14:08:35 <paroneayea> you have to die in order to get a darwin award
Aug 29 14:08:41 <Dave> hence it being pointless
Aug 29 14:08:42 <Zorkman> yeah, you have to kill yourself in a VERY stupid way to get a darwin award
Aug 29 14:08:46 <Mononoke> Zorkman: you can get darwin award without dieing
Aug 29 14:08:50 <paroneayea> you aren't helping evolution unless you die or at least become sterile
Aug 29 14:08:55 <Zorkman> yeah I know, I just read he survived
Aug 29 14:09:00 <Dave> :)
Aug 29 14:09:08 <Dave> oh, did you find the article? :o
Aug 29 14:09:20 <Zorkman> yeah
Aug 29 14:09:26 <Dave> :D
Aug 29 14:09:26 <Zorkman> "lawn chair larry"
Aug 29 14:09:28 <Dave> :)
Aug 29 14:09:44 <Dave> aren't americans stupid, or what? :D
Aug 29 14:10:03 <Dave> or awesome...
Aug 29 14:10:07 <Dave> I still haven't figured that one out yet.
Aug 29 14:10:23 <Zorkman> without me it's just aweso :)
Aug 29 14:10:37 <Zorkman> (stupid joke i know, but i like it :))
Aug 29 14:10:44 <Dave> :P
Aug 29 14:11:06 <Dave> go scap yourself :P
Aug 29 14:11:36 <Zorkman> As he was led away in handcuffs, a reporter dispatched to cover the daring rescue asked him why he had done it. Larry replied nonchalantly, "A man can't just sit around."
Aug 29 14:11:50 <RedFlash> lol
Aug 29 14:12:09 <Zorkman> I'm indeed laughing my ass off, thanks Dave!
Aug 29 14:13:14 <sicu> Mononoke: you lost your stylus?
Aug 29 14:13:43 <Mononoke> sicu: yep
Aug 29 14:14:36 <sicu> same here, within the first 3 days of receiving the phone :s
Aug 29 14:14:55 <Mononoke> I lost it within 24hours =]
Aug 29 14:14:58 <sicu> Mononoke: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.849
Aug 29 14:19:48 <Dave> Zorkman :D
Aug 29 14:21:55 <billk> Does anyone know of a cisco vpn for the freerunner? - cant find one so far :(
Aug 29 14:24:00 <cekay> billk, vpnc?
Aug 29 14:24:13 <cekay> dunno if there are any precompiled packages tho
Aug 29 14:24:17 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke * r98f7ffce6f8a 10/devices/ficgta01/src/plugins/phonevendors/ficgta01/vendor_ficgta01.cpp: [ticalypso] Enable noise reduction (command from our mailinglist)
Aug 29 14:24:32 <billk> vpnc Wont do tcp encap
Aug 29 14:27:37 <dolf1074> Sorry about my late response, some visitors. I installed mofi, but can't start it because it gives 'application execution error' and in the errorlog stands: An exit code of 1 was returned from mofi.
Aug 29 14:28:47 <RedFlash> dolf1074: maybe this helps: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1718
Aug 29 14:29:30 <dolf1074> thanks
Aug 29 14:32:13 <RedFlash> hmm .. am I the only one getting se faults wih mofi ?
Aug 29 14:33:37 <dolf1074> I don't get any, but mofi is stopped working
Aug 29 14:33:52 <dolf1074> after I pushed the save button
Aug 29 14:34:23 <tomboy64> uhm
Aug 29 14:34:38 <tomboy64> is there a pre-compiled binary for dfu-util on amd64 somewhere?
Aug 29 14:35:01 <tomboy64> when compiling from svn i get seggies instead of a flashed om :-S
Aug 29 14:42:18 <edistar> tomboy64: what distro?
Aug 29 14:42:40 <tomboy64> edistar: gentoo
Aug 29 14:42:51 <edistar> tomboy64: try to get dfu-util from portage
Aug 29 14:43:03 <tomboy64> edistar: dfu-util is not in portage
Aug 29 14:43:08 <edistar> oh
Aug 29 14:43:09 <edistar> okey
Aug 29 14:43:13 <tomboy64> i installeda custom ebuild
Aug 29 14:44:28 <edistar> sry, can't help you.. it's in the debian repos ;)
Aug 29 14:44:33 <edistar> try an older svn rev
Aug 29 14:44:33 <tomboy64> yeah
Aug 29 14:44:45 <tomboy64> i just downloaded and extractet a .deb
Aug 29 14:44:50 <tomboy64> let's try
Aug 29 14:44:50 <zash> lol wut? intel buys ohand?
Aug 29 14:44:56 <edistar> zash: yeah
Aug 29 14:45:46 <edistar> I need someone from .uk to give me some advice about phone contracts.. any volunteers?
Aug 29 14:46:35 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rb86625c02cb7 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get a version that sends the noise reduction command
Aug 29 14:46:45 <tomboy64> edistar: still segfaults
Aug 29 14:46:51 <tomboy64> is this line correct? /usr/local/bin/dfu-util --intf_nr=2 -a rootfs -R -D Om2008.8-gta02-20080828.rootfs.jffs2
Aug 29 14:47:08 <edistar> what is the --intf_nr=2 for?
Aug 29 14:47:13 <edistar> otherwise yes
Aug 29 14:47:25 <tomboy64> i have another usb-device attached
Aug 29 14:47:36 <tomboy64> so intf_nr=2 is supposed to select my fr
Aug 29 14:48:54 <edistar> ah, okey
Aug 29 14:49:01 <edistar> I thought that was done differently..
Aug 29 14:49:11 <tomboy64> edistar: tell tell
Aug 29 14:49:34 <edistar> example from man page: dfu-util --device 0x1457:0x5119
Aug 29 14:50:53 <edistar> tomboy64: try and get the info with dfu-util -l
Aug 29 14:53:06 <tomboy64> ahhhh
Aug 29 14:53:09 <tomboy64> now it runs
Aug 29 14:53:11 <tomboy64> thanky :)
Aug 29 14:53:16 <edistar> :)
Aug 29 14:54:15 <Torikun> When can we use browser with wifi ?
Aug 29 14:54:38 <edistar> Torikun: now?
Aug 29 14:54:53 <edistar> depends on what level of comfort you are used to
Aug 29 14:54:54 <Torikun> Was it a recent update
Aug 29 14:54:55 <Torikun> lol
Aug 29 14:55:03 <Torikun> I can connect but browser does not load
Aug 29 14:55:32 <edistar> Torikun: nameserver problem?
Aug 29 14:55:48 <Torikun> I editing rc.conf
Aug 29 14:55:51 <Torikun> and stilld oes not work
Aug 29 14:55:54 <Torikun> only usb
Aug 29 14:56:47 <edistar> does a ping google.com work?
Aug 29 14:56:55 <Torikun> nope
Aug 29 14:58:19 <edistar> ping 80.61.221.9?
Aug 29 14:58:43 <Torikun> no wifi at work to test it
Aug 29 14:59:01 <edistar> ok
Aug 29 14:59:15 <edistar> either you didn't get an ip from your AP.. or nameserver doesn't work
Aug 29 14:59:35 <Torikun> I get ip
Aug 29 14:59:46 <ShellEvil> Can you ping the AP?
Aug 29 14:59:51 <Torikun> wait I remember ping working
Aug 29 14:59:55 <Torikun> and opkg was working
Aug 29 15:00:02 <Torikun> browser and pidgin did not
Aug 29 15:01:07 <edistar> opkg downloads from http:// doesn't it?
Aug 29 15:01:15 <edistar> so everything else should work too..
Aug 29 15:01:15 <Torikun> I think so
Aug 29 15:11:29 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rbb6756bd737e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: ompower - try race cond workaround.
Aug 29 15:11:30 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r16b206b78bec 10/ (97 files in 5 dirs): move all of e17/efl to svn from cvs.
Aug 29 15:11:30 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r51220f203674 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: cleanups to ompower.
Aug 29 15:11:31 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r70424588006d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get the SMS and phonebook on reset fix
Aug 29 15:11:33 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r86f7e966a826 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add numptyphysics (ugly ugly build), an insanely cool crayon game
Aug 29 15:11:36 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03rwhitby 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rf9108192d50d 10/packages/numptyphysics/numptyphysics_svn.bb: numptyphysics: Add -lX11 to LDOPTS to fix build
Aug 29 15:11:39 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra08bdd783428 10/packages/numptyphysics/ (3 files in 2 dirs): numptyphysics: add patch to build it with gcc 4.3
Aug 29 15:11:42 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra837f5465961 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add numptyphysics_setup.tgz checksums..
Aug 29 15:11:45 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra46d5a10a6c3 10/packages/hal/hal_0.5.9.bb: [hal] Remove commented out things we have a SCM to recover it
Aug 29 15:11:48 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r789da5442411 10/packages/hal/ (hal.inc hal_0.5.9.bb): [hal] Move almost everything into the hal.inc file
Aug 29 15:11:53 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r7512ba68a584 10/packages/hal/ (hal-info.inc hal-info_20070618.bb hal-info_20080313.bb): [hal] Create hal-info.inc and share it with the releases
Aug 29 15:11:56 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r018b34153134 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [hal] Add latest hal and hal-info
Aug 29 15:11:59 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r9a936ae74765 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred versions] Build hal 0.5.11 and recent hal-info
Aug 29 15:12:04 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r217b5505cc70 10/ (111 files in 10 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.testing' into org.openmoko.asu.stable
Aug 29 15:18:32 <tomboy64> uhm
Aug 29 15:18:41 <TAsn> my moko arrived at unit.
Aug 29 15:18:41 <tomboy64> how do i enter numbers in 2008.8?
Aug 29 15:18:42 <TAsn> ;)
Aug 29 15:20:00 <dolf1074> slide the keyboard up until
Aug 29 15:20:06 <dolf1074> you have numbers
Aug 29 15:20:26 <dolf1074> once will normally give you CAPITAL
Aug 29 15:20:35 <dolf1074> then numbers and as last you have special chars
Aug 29 15:21:10 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * rf07541211602 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get a version that sends the noise reduction command
Aug 29 15:21:11 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * rca7d3167eba8 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): movw illume to upstream svn version. now use "asu" profile - illume-theme
Aug 29 15:21:11 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * re5b85d6490aa 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): update efl and e to latest - fix segv on startup, gsm now doesnt use gsmget
Aug 29 15:21:12 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r15970a09ca36 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: and update to fix slight focus problems with e/illume. working now (tested).
Aug 29 15:21:14 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * rbeb9039f229e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: move to version with less debugging
Aug 29 15:21:17 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r655da0a957e0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up illume srcrev
Aug 29 15:21:20 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r62474f1729ac 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: fix e revert focus bug reported in #1858
Aug 29 15:21:23 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r52963e5f5361 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade linux-openmoko to get some accelerometers changes
Aug 29 15:21:28 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r3dca64284322 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade the kernel to get the sensor fixes from Andrzej and Andy
Aug 29 15:21:31 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r8800fb9c5205 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: and push srcrev for asu update. battery theme changes, illume internal fixes
Aug 29 15:21:53 <nyu> grm
Aug 29 15:21:57 * nyu curses vi
Aug 29 15:22:21 <nyu> you could have settled for a small editor that everyone can use sanely :-/
Aug 29 15:22:27 <nyu> like nano or so
Aug 29 15:22:49 <nyu> oh, interesting
Aug 29 15:22:53 <nyu> the desktop files have translations
Aug 29 15:22:56 <nyu> how do I change the locale?
Aug 29 15:23:24 <edistar> nyu: who is 'you'?
Aug 29 15:23:54 <edistar> nyu: opkg install nano
Aug 29 15:24:31 <nyu> edistar: whoever picked the default selection :-)
Aug 29 15:26:03 <tomboy64> dolf1074: do you happen to tell me, how i actually pass an entered string to an input field?
Aug 29 15:26:03 <edistar> nyu: ah, well.. vi is a dev's favourite..
Aug 29 15:26:15 * tomboy64 prefers vim
Aug 29 15:26:20 <tomboy64> but i'm not a dev :-P
Aug 29 15:26:26 <nyu> you don't like ed? :-P
Aug 29 15:26:36 <edistar> tomboy64: why do you buy a FR then :P
Aug 29 15:26:38 <nyu> actually, sed is a nice editor and is included ;-)
Aug 29 15:26:43 <dolf1074> No I was answering on 'how do i enter numbers in 2008.8?'
Aug 29 15:26:47 <edistar> tomboy64: just joking, nano is just an opkg install nano away..
Aug 29 15:26:55 <tomboy64> dolf1074: :) yep
Aug 29 15:26:57 <tomboy64> thanks
Aug 29 15:27:03 <tomboy64> well
Aug 29 15:27:16 <tomboy64> i still need to enter an alphanumeric string as my wifi-pwd
Aug 29 15:27:22 <tomboy64> anybody can help?
Aug 29 15:27:36 <edistar> tomboy64: yeah, slide your finger from the bottom of the keyboard to the top
Aug 29 15:27:38 <edistar> several times
Aug 29 15:27:43 <edistar> till you get numbers
Aug 29 15:27:46 <edistar> then have fun
Aug 29 15:28:02 <tomboy64> but when i enter a number i can't enter anymore letters? O.O
Aug 29 15:28:09 <tomboy64> and vice versa
Aug 29 15:28:09 <edistar> slide up again
Aug 29 15:28:36 <tomboy64> well
Aug 29 15:28:43 <tomboy64> i am at the letter-part again
Aug 29 15:28:50 <tomboy64> but it doesn't react to any more letters
Aug 29 15:29:00 <Sprite_tm> Hi all :)
Aug 29 15:29:10 <edistar> oh, try to tap at the top of the keyboard..
Aug 29 15:29:16 <edistar> it suggests something, doesn't it?
Aug 29 15:29:19 <edistar> Sprite_tm: hi
Aug 29 15:29:33 <Sprite_tm> Got my Freerunner for 3 days now, atm using it as a wifi->gprs-connection while tango-gps is showing me where I am.
Aug 29 15:29:38 <AntonTakk> hrm
Aug 29 15:29:45 <Sprite_tm> Needless to say: I love the Freerunner! :)
Aug 29 15:29:51 <tomboy64> and it only shows the ahhh
Aug 29 15:29:52 <tomboy64> thanks
Aug 29 15:29:58 <tomboy64> yes
Aug 29 15:30:01 <Sprite_tm> Makes training a lot more bearable.
Aug 29 15:30:04 <AntonTakk> having trouble getting the evolution address book to open asynchronously
Aug 29 15:30:13 <Sprite_tm> training -> traveling by train I mean
Aug 29 15:30:29 <edistar> Sprite_tm: perfect
Aug 29 15:30:54 <edistar> tomboy64: super
Aug 29 15:31:25 <Sprite_tm> Anyway, perhaps one of you know: Is zhone the only app capable of placing phone calls on the freerunner?
Aug 29 15:31:28 <b0ib0t> can the accelerometers detect tilt?
Aug 29 15:31:35 <b0ib0t> on the freerunner?
Aug 29 15:31:40 <sol> wow, a lot more people in here than I expected :)
Aug 29 15:31:42 <AntonTakk> Sprite_tm: the only one in fso
Aug 29 15:31:50 <sol> b0ib0t; nothing in the openmoko can really do anything at the moment :p
Aug 29 15:31:51 <tomboy64> ew
Aug 29 15:31:55 <tomboy64> that keyboard sucks!
Aug 29 15:31:55 <mjr> b0ib0t, that's their main useful purpose
Aug 29 15:32:07 <tomboy64> how do i switch off suggesting s***?
Aug 29 15:32:16 <Sprite_tm> AntonTakk : Is that installable in Debian?
Aug 29 15:32:20 <b0ib0t> sol, i am a developer,  if the openmoko can run my code, its useful :P
Aug 29 15:32:36 <b0ib0t> mjr, thanks much =D
Aug 29 15:32:40 <AntonTakk> Sprite_tm: no clue, id no more install debian on my phone than anything else
Aug 29 15:32:50 <sol> b0itb0t; then you'd have to try it.  i haven't seen anything make use of the accelerometers yet, so I can't guess as to whether or not they function as they're supposed to
Aug 29 15:32:52 <edistar> tomboy64: woot?
Aug 29 15:32:59 <Sprite_tm> Ow, btw, anyone interested in a tiny program with which you can use the freerunner to make lightsword-noises? :)
Aug 29 15:33:04 <edistar> tomboy64: delete it from the wordlist
Aug 29 15:33:07 <b0ib0t> sol, i cant try it, i bought my freerunner yesterday and it is in the mail
Aug 29 15:33:20 <Sprite_tm> AntonTakk: Ok, then I'll have to try it myself.
Aug 29 15:33:20 <sol> they SHOULD detect tilt though, if they work :)
Aug 29 15:33:23 <edistar> Sprite_tm: sure
Aug 29 15:33:43 <b0ib0t> we are looking into a game for the freerunner that uses tilt
Aug 29 15:34:08 <edistar> sol: they can detect the angle of a stationary FR, so why not measure tilt?
Aug 29 15:34:13 <Sprite_tm> edistar: K, I'll see if I can upload it somewhere...
Aug 29 15:35:07 <sol> edistar, they're supposed to, yes.  is there an application you've actually seen detect its angle?
Aug 29 15:35:34 <edistar> sol: well.. I've tried a bit of code, and it is semi-reliable
Aug 29 15:35:51 <edistar> sol: but I suppose the semi would vanish one a proper programmer tried
Aug 29 15:36:10 <sol> edistar; assuming that it was your fault, rather than any kind of hardware issue
Aug 29 15:36:15 <edistar> sol: just read the accels and do the angles by hand
Aug 29 15:36:24 <AntonTakk> b0ib0t: maybe a 3d isometric neverball clone?
Aug 29 15:36:34 <edistar> it's not 100% stable, but taking the average would be sufficient
Aug 29 15:36:51 <sol> oh lovely
Aug 29 15:36:56 <tomboy64> mhmm
Aug 29 15:36:59 <tomboy64> i like asu :)
Aug 29 15:37:00 <edistar> sol: how much tilt do you want to measure? < 5 degrees would be hard
Aug 29 15:37:14 <b0ib0t> mercury clone
Aug 29 15:37:19 <SpeedEvil> It measures with a resolution of 16mg IIRC
Aug 29 15:37:27 <SpeedEvil> so that's 6 degrees or so.
Aug 29 15:37:28 <b0ib0t> you tilt the device to move a blob or blobs to a destination
Aug 29 15:37:43 <edistar> b0ib0t: don't know mercury..
Aug 29 15:37:53 <b0ib0t> tis a psp game
Aug 29 15:38:08 <AntonTakk> any of you happen to have any experience writing apps that use libebook?
Aug 29 15:38:12 <edistar> ah, I see (google)
Aug 29 15:38:17 <b0ib0t> think of that wooden game wher you have a knob on either side of a wooden board, you change the angle of the board to move the ball into or avoiding certain holes
Aug 29 15:38:23 <edistar> b0ib0t: that's the game I was planning too :P
Aug 29 15:38:26 <sol> b0ib0t; do accelerometers typically require an average, or are they accurate?
Aug 29 15:38:44 <SpeedEvil> sol: it depends on the accels.
Aug 29 15:38:51 <b0ib0t> agreed
Aug 29 15:38:53 <SpeedEvil> sol: unfortunately, the ones in the FR are very inaccurate
Aug 29 15:38:54 <edistar> sol: the accels don't.. but if you want to use reliable values then you'd need to filter the results
Aug 29 15:38:59 <b0ib0t> aww
Aug 29 15:39:01 <paroneayea> :O
Aug 29 15:39:03 <paroneayea> omg
Aug 29 15:39:06 <sol> yay :/
Aug 29 15:39:10 <paroneayea> you know what would be great?
Aug 29 15:39:14 <SpeedEvil> sol: they have a resolution of only 1 part in 128 of gravity values.
Aug 29 15:39:16 <paroneayea> neverball ported to the freerunner
Aug 29 15:39:19 <edistar> sol: well... it's a smartphone, not a physics device
Aug 29 15:39:25 <sol> paroneayea; if the FR had some good surprises, rather than bad ones since its release?
Aug 29 15:39:25 <sol> :p
Aug 29 15:39:28 <paroneayea> (I dunno isf the gpu is good enough for that, but!)
Aug 29 15:39:28 <b0ib0t> we have also been working on a ui system, we started it for slackware, but we are going to port it 
Aug 29 15:39:45 * sol still needs to solder that (#$&ing cap on
Aug 29 15:39:58 * sol wanted to commit murder when he read that.
Aug 29 15:40:05 <edistar> b0ib0t: are you actively working on that maze game?
Aug 29 15:40:14 <Zorkman> paroneayea: they already ported it
Aug 29 15:40:24 <paroneayea> Zorkman: really?
Aug 29 15:40:31 <paroneayea> wow
Aug 29 15:40:32 <AntonTakk> paroneayea: that's why i daid 3d isometric
Aug 29 15:40:32 <edistar> paroneayea: yeah, but closed source
Aug 29 15:40:36 <Zorkman> yeah, there's talk about it on the ML
Aug 29 15:40:46 <paroneayea> edistar: closed source?  I thought it was GPL'd
Aug 29 15:41:03 <edistar> paroneayea: well, the driver for 3d is closed..
Aug 29 15:41:23 <AntonTakk> paroneayea: think nvidia  ;)  you get the idea
Aug 29 15:41:46 <Zorkman> sol: accelerometers are also quite accurate I think (the same as in the iphone, seen some very nice accelerometer-apps for that phone)
Aug 29 15:42:13 <sol> Zorkman; apparently not in the FR, though, the FR must have cheap ones :D
Aug 29 15:42:19 <Zorkman> edistar: did you see the pdf of wolfgang with information about which NDA's they have and the expire-dates?
Aug 29 15:42:27 <edistar> Zorkman: no, I didn't
Aug 29 15:42:28 <Cew27> anyone know when the freerunner will get edge 
Aug 29 15:42:30 <Zorkman> sol: no, they are the same and they are quite good i heard
Aug 29 15:42:31 <paroneayea> edistar: ah :(
Aug 29 15:42:33 <b0ib0t> edistar, we will begin in the next month
Aug 29 15:42:50 <edistar> b0ib0t: okey.. which language?
Aug 29 15:43:00 <Cew27> b0ib0t: hey 
Aug 29 15:43:10 <b0ib0t> edistar, c++ most likely
Aug 29 15:43:25 <SpeedEvil> Zorkman: tehre are accelerometers and accelerometers. They vary _widely_
Aug 29 15:43:25 <paroneayea> I can't wait for the day that the GPU proprietary blob wall comes tumbling down
Aug 29 15:43:25 <b0ib0t> hey cew
Aug 29 15:43:46 <SpeedEvil> par: reportedly, it's not great - even with the NDA.
Aug 29 15:43:46 <edistar> b0ib0t: aww..
Aug 29 15:43:51 <SpeedEvil> par: don't expect much.
Aug 29 15:44:18 <Cew27> b0ib0t: got my book of the sub genius and my slackhoodie/got root t shirt 
Aug 29 15:44:24 <edistar> b0ib0t: implement a joystick using tilt!
Aug 29 15:44:32 <edistar> b0ib0t: then all games can use it
Aug 29 15:44:36 <Zorkman> SpeedEvil: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-August/004863.html
Aug 29 15:44:40 <Sprite_tm> Ok, my SD-card crashed. Anyone know of a SD-card >2G that _does_ work with the Freerunner without having to turn thefrequency down?
Aug 29 15:44:52 <edistar> Sprite_tm: sandisk 8gb
Aug 29 15:45:12 * edistar wants pinball on neo..
Aug 29 15:45:22 <edistar> 'tilt' reminded me.. :)
Aug 29 15:45:30 * Zorkman wants whatever-at-long-as-it-is-a-nice-game on FR :)
Aug 29 15:46:02 <ecraven> Sprite_tm: i have a sandisk 4gb, works great
Aug 29 15:46:18 <paroneayea> SpeedEvil: the free drivers for the intel embedded GPU worked nice last time I touched it
Aug 29 15:46:19 <SpeedEvil> Zorkman: right - I disagree dramatically on his definition of 'brilliant' is all. And I thought they weren't the same ones on the iphone - I'll have to look.
Aug 29 15:46:26 <SpeedEvil> paroneayea: intel?
Aug 29 15:46:41 <Sprite_tm> K, so Sandisk seems to work.
Aug 29 15:46:45 <SpeedEvil> paroneayea: It's - on FR - not intel - it's smedia.
Aug 29 15:47:02 <b0ib0t> we are hoping to make the game as donation based
Aug 29 15:47:18 <b0ib0t> so when it is done we have a donation goal, then it goes open, another goal to add 20 levels and so on
Aug 29 15:47:18 <Sprite_tm> I'll order one of these, the Transcend I havve now is absolute crap.
Aug 29 15:47:31 <b0ib0t> we lost one dev, so we're down to 2, more money for me =]
Aug 29 15:47:33 * mjr wonders if paroneayea is talking more generally about GPUs than just FR/glamo
Aug 29 15:47:33 <paroneayea> SpeedEvil: yeah I know.  it just gives me *some* hope ;p
Aug 29 15:47:40 <paroneayea> yeah
Aug 29 15:47:43 <ecraven> is there a wiki page about compatible "accessories" ? i wanted to add a bunch :)
Aug 29 15:47:50 <edistar> b0ib0t: are you a company?
Aug 29 15:47:53 <Cew27> why isnt edge on the freerunner 
Aug 29 15:47:54 <SpeedEvil> paroneayea: no - you miss the point. The underlying hardware is shit. 
Aug 29 15:47:57 <Zorkman> b0ib0t: any ETA?
Aug 29 15:47:59 <ecraven> if you tell me where to look in /proc, i'll tell you exactly what card i have
Aug 29 15:48:06 <b0ib0t> edistar, we are going llc in a year or so
Aug 29 15:48:13 <edistar> llc?
Aug 29 15:48:16 <SpeedEvil> paroneayea: There is not that much more you can do with the NDA.
Aug 29 15:48:21 <b0ib0t> limited liability company
Aug 29 15:48:26 <paroneayea> :(
Aug 29 15:48:37 <SpeedEvil> paroneayea: it cannot do VGA+3D, for example.
Aug 29 15:48:44 <b0ib0t> zorkman, no eta yet, we are still finishing 2 projects for our clients... after that we arent taking on anything until the game is done
Aug 29 15:48:47 <Zorkman> ecraven: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Accessories ?
Aug 29 15:48:56 <nyu> is /etc/fstab supposed to be parsed sequentially or in parallel?
Aug 29 15:48:58 <edistar> b0ib0t: ah, okey
Aug 29 15:49:02 <nyu> in OM 2007
Aug 29 15:49:03 <edistar> b0ib0t: don't like the limited bit :P
Aug 29 15:49:30 <b0ib0t> edistar, its all still in the air... we want to form an official company, but havent decided on what type just yet
Aug 29 15:49:39 <edistar> b0ib0t: okey :)
Aug 29 15:49:44 <edistar> b0ib0t: which country?
Aug 29 15:49:54 <nyu> ah, this is mount -a
Aug 29 15:49:56 <b0ib0t> edistar, usa 
Aug 29 15:50:10 <b0ib0t> if we make enough $$ we want to move to oslo though
Aug 29 15:50:33 <Blalien> Hi,  does anyone know where the unofficial repositories are hosted atm?  for om2008.8
Aug 29 15:50:40 <b0ib0t> brb
Aug 29 15:50:44 <Zorkman> b0ib0t: where in the USA are you located?
Aug 29 15:51:02 <Sprite_tm> screen -r irc
Aug 29 15:51:11 <Sprite_tm> http://meuk.spritesserver.nl/lightsaber-0.1.tgz
Aug 29 15:51:13 <edistar> b0ib0t: nice plans
Aug 29 15:51:29 <edistar> Sprite_tm: okey
Aug 29 15:51:35 <Blalien> lol meuk
Aug 29 15:51:38 <Sprite_tm> nm the screen -r irc line. GPRS latency and stuff :)
Aug 29 15:51:44 <Zorkman> Sprite_tm: can we compile this on the phone kees ;-)
Aug 29 15:51:53 <Zorkman> and what does it do :)
Aug 29 15:52:57 <Blalien> you can slice darth vader 
Aug 29 15:52:59 <Sprite_tm> Zorkman: What would an app called lightsaber for a phone with accel sensors do,? :)
Aug 29 15:53:37 <Zorkman> could be only sound output, or it could be like mokofight :)
Aug 29 15:53:37 <b0ib0t> back
Aug 29 15:53:52 <b0ib0t> zorkman, Vermont
Aug 29 15:53:53 <Sprite_tm> Sound only. I only had my freerunner for 3 days now :)
Aug 29 15:54:12 <Zorkman> can I compile it on the phone? or will I need a build env?
Aug 29 15:54:17 <Sprite_tm> Ah, this is my stop. I'll be idling now till I'm home :)
Aug 29 15:54:40 <Sprite_tm> Zorkman : There's a binary included. Run that, if it doesn't work recompile.
Aug 29 15:54:48 <Zorkman> thanks!
Aug 29 15:55:04 <Blalien> Where can I find the Unofficial (zecke) Updates 
Aug 29 15:55:14 <Blalien> I want to install gpsdrive
Aug 29 15:55:47 <Zorkman> sec, i'll search, i think it's just his people.openmoko.com/zecke 's page
Aug 29 15:56:13 <Zorkman>  http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev
Aug 29 15:56:17 <Zorkman>  http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing
Aug 29 15:56:58 <Blalien> I get the following message in the Browser  The requested URL /~zecke/om2008.8-dev was not found on this server.
Aug 29 15:56:58 <Blalien> Or does it really only work with opkg?
Aug 29 15:57:30 <sylar91> hi everybody
Aug 29 15:57:34 <b0ib0t> hi
Aug 29 15:57:43 <Zorkman> Blalien: he probably removed it, there isan Om288.7 feed now
Aug 29 15:57:47 <Zorkman> 2008.8 i mean
Aug 29 15:57:50 <Zorkman> llo sylar91
Aug 29 15:57:56 <sylar91> I can't install pidgin ....
Aug 29 15:57:59 <sylar91> hi
Aug 29 15:58:03 <Zorkman> why not
Aug 29 15:58:09 <sylar91> I get the opkg 17 error
Aug 29 15:58:15 <Zorkman> wow 17?
Aug 29 15:58:18 <Zorkman> what is 17?
Aug 29 15:58:23 <sylar91> good question
Aug 29 15:58:30 <sylar91> I don't know...
Aug 29 15:59:09 <AntonTakk> 8.5 times worse than error 2?
Aug 29 15:59:11 <sylar91> what is error 17? oO
Aug 29 15:59:22 <ecraven> is there a very simple gpsd client that only writes location/altitude/speed to a log file?
Aug 29 15:59:29 <mjr> gpspipe
Aug 29 15:59:33 <ecraven> like the Trace part of tangogps, but more stable and automatic
Aug 29 15:59:34 <Zorkman> sylar91: 17: Bad Signature 
Aug 29 15:59:46 <mjr> (well, it'll just write the raw nmea, but anyway)
Aug 29 15:59:48 <sylar91> Ah... and... so... what can I do?
Aug 29 15:59:50 <ecraven> mjr: not a good format
Aug 29 15:59:52 <Cew27> why doesnt the freerunner have edge 
Aug 29 16:00:01 <Zorkman> don't know, signature shouldn't matter, it's not implemented yet
Aug 29 16:00:04 <mjr> Cew27, because the gsm chip doesn't
Aug 29 16:00:07 <sylar91> ....
Aug 29 16:00:08 <Zorkman> sure it's not just a warning you get?
Aug 29 16:00:16 <sylar91> so why the error occures?
Aug 29 16:00:16 <Cew27> mjr: why isnt it implemented 
Aug 29 16:00:21 <sylar91> no it is an error
Aug 29 16:00:28 <Zorkman> you can try to wget it sylar91 and then install it from your flash
Aug 29 16:00:35 <Zorkman> or you can try the -force-install option
Aug 29 16:00:48 <sylar91> also with the matchbox kerboard
Aug 29 16:00:49 <sylar91> root@om-gta02:~# opkg install matchbox-keyboard
Aug 29 16:00:49 <sylar91> Installing matchbox-keyboard (0.0+svnr1910-r7) to root...
Aug 29 16:00:49 <sylar91> Downloading http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/matchbox-keyboard_0.0+svnr1910-r7_armv4t.ipk
Aug 29 16:00:49 <sylar91> An error ocurred, return value: 17.
Aug 29 16:00:52 <b0ib0t> use the force
Aug 29 16:00:56 <sylar91> lol
Aug 29 16:00:56 <SpeedEvil> Cew27: Everyone wants faster data. For various reasons this is impractical.
Aug 29 16:01:04 <mjr> Cew27, what do you really want to know, or do you just want to complain?
Aug 29 16:01:06 <sylar91> opkg install pidgin --force ?
Aug 29 16:01:23 <Cew27> i want to know why edge wasnt implemented as it is putting people off 
Aug 29 16:01:31 <Cew27> what stopped them from implementing edge or 3g 
Aug 29 16:01:33 <sylar91> force what?
Aug 29 16:01:54 <Zorkman> sylar: -force-install
Aug 29 16:02:11 <sylar91> done...
Aug 29 16:02:21 <mjr> Cew27, what good will an answer do? I can only speculate that mostly time-to-market considerations, in that swapping the gsm chip wasn't something to be trivially done
Aug 29 16:02:21 <sylar91> now error 2? oO
Aug 29 16:02:32 <Zorkman> sylar91: 2: Error parsing config file 
Aug 29 16:02:47 <Zorkman> sylar91: there is also a pidgin ipk on celtune i think, get it there
Aug 29 16:02:49 <SpeedEvil> Cew27: availability of open chipsets, price, ...
Aug 29 16:02:53 <mjr> Cew27, now 3g, lack of suitable open enough chipsets
Aug 29 16:02:59 <mjr> and price, yes
Aug 29 16:03:15 <AntonTakk> Cew27: gta03 is tentatively planned to have 2.75g/edge
Aug 29 16:03:54 <sylar91> so it is a config file error?
Aug 29 16:04:01 <sylar91> where is the config file?
Aug 29 16:04:15 <Zorkman> sylar91: config file is inside the ipk as far as i know, but i'm no expert
Aug 29 16:05:02 <Cew27> so edgie is planned to be implemnted 
Aug 29 16:05:13 <AntonTakk> Cew27: tentatively
Aug 29 16:05:19 <AntonTakk> no guarantees
Aug 29 16:06:18 <mjr> methinks they might as well not do gta03 if it doesn't have edge, but of course, "no guarantees" is the default answer
Aug 29 16:06:38 <Cew27> is there a very ruogh time frame, i need to know if its worth wating 
Aug 29 16:06:44 <Cew27> or order the one thats out at the moment 
Aug 29 16:06:48 <mjr> no there isn't
Aug 29 16:06:54 <AntonTakk> mjr: eh, gta03 is planned to have other nice things as well, cam, case, etc
Aug 29 16:07:08 <mjr> AntonTakk, not really "etc" :]
Aug 29 16:07:21 <AntonTakk> Cew27: holiday season, 200?  ;)
Aug 29 16:07:27 <Cew27> AntonTakk: when is it though to be released, next 6 months? next year? over a year? 
Aug 29 16:07:28 <Marcel_M> fyi http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/zsh_4.3.6-r2_armv4t.ipk (not tested yet)
Aug 29 16:07:58 <mjr> my personal ass spits out a guess of summer 09 earliest, but consider the source
Aug 29 16:08:20 <AntonTakk> Cew27: all we know is that the first 25 evaluation boards have arrived and are beginning testing to some degree as seen on the moko foresight page
Aug 29 16:08:20 <nyu> case?
Aug 29 16:08:21 <Cew27> so a year 
Aug 29 16:08:24 <Cew27> ill get this one i think 
Aug 29 16:08:24 <mjr> you ain't gonna get it anytime real soon anyway, so if you want a neo, buy what's out there now
Aug 29 16:08:32 <nyu> AntonTakk: what case improvements?
Aug 29 16:08:51 <AntonTakk> nyu: not necesesarily improvements, just "redesign"
Aug 29 16:08:57 <TAsn> nyu, i guess they will remove the weird round thingy on the bottom ;0
Aug 29 16:09:09 <nyu> oh
Aug 29 16:09:10 <TAsn> j/k though it is a good idea.
Aug 29 16:09:13 <nyu> then I can't hang it on my neck
Aug 29 16:09:15 <Cew27> does the freerunner have the potential to be a iphone killer 
Aug 29 16:09:22 <nyu> which I wouldn't do anyway ;-)
Aug 29 16:09:24 <AntonTakk> i have heard rumors of a more rectangular case
Aug 29 16:09:25 <mjr> Cew27, no
Aug 29 16:09:26 <Cew27> i mean do you think it does 
Aug 29 16:09:29 <TAsn> Cew27, it is now.
Aug 29 16:09:30 <nyu> Cew27: iphone was born dead ;-)
Aug 29 16:09:33 <mjr> who cares?
Aug 29 16:09:44 <TAsn> nyu, exactly what i thougt.
Aug 29 16:09:50 <TAsn> iphone sucks bad
Aug 29 16:09:54 <nyu> Cew27: the child was put handcuffs and can't even feed
Aug 29 16:09:55 <Cew27> i know 
Aug 29 16:09:56 <TAsn> but even without the iphone sucking
Aug 29 16:10:02 <TAsn> the fr is all i need\want
Aug 29 16:10:12 <Cew27> i want it because it is open and free 
Aug 29 16:10:15 <Cew27> and i like that 
Aug 29 16:10:23 <nyu> Cew27: apple lost contact with reality IMO.  they didn't listen to the "developers developers" song enough times
Aug 29 16:10:33 <AntonTakk> TAsn: i wish i could say that, i brought my v3 razr to work today instead of my fr
Aug 29 16:10:40 <nyu> so they don't care alienating developers
Aug 29 16:10:56 * Cew27 goes to the toilet 
Aug 29 16:11:05 <ecraven> imho, the FR is not useable for anything much at the moment, but it has potential ;)
Aug 29 16:11:15 <holycow> iphone and moko customers are mutually excluse
Aug 29 16:11:17 <nyu> ecraven: one can make calls
Aug 29 16:11:18 * Zorkman a grees with ecraven
Aug 29 16:11:25 <Zorkman> nyu: I can't
Aug 29 16:11:26 <nyu> and play wesnoth.  what else is a phone good for?
Aug 29 16:11:26 <ecraven> nyu: for about 2 hours a day...
Aug 29 16:11:30 <ecraven> at bad quality
Aug 29 16:11:31 <holycow> iphone customers are happy with a jail as long as its decorated by martha stewart
Aug 29 16:11:32 <Zorkman> not reliable and not without buzzing
Aug 29 16:11:51 <nyu> holycow: I disagree, they don't know it's a jail
Aug 29 16:11:53 <TAsn> holycow, lol
Aug 29 16:11:54 <nyu> the ads won't tell
Aug 29 16:11:56 <ecraven> don't misunderstand me, it's a great thing, it's just not *usable* yet :) 
Aug 29 16:11:57 <Zorkman> nyu: is there already wesnoth for 2007.2/ASU? thought only for debian (there used to be one for 2007.2, but they lost it..)
Aug 29 16:12:02 <holycow> moko customers would kill all the wardens, take the jail appart brick by brick with their bare hands and destroy the place until nothing is left
Aug 29 16:12:10 <nyu> holycow: when they _feel_ the jail, then they'll know
Aug 29 16:12:22 <holycow> indeedy
Aug 29 16:12:23 <nyu> Zorkman: I use debian =)
Aug 29 16:12:38 <AntonTakk> ecraven: ime, qtopia, some asu builds, most 2007.2, and fso-ms2 are all "useable", problem is fso doesn't have the features i need/want yet, qtopia makes me queasy. asu is slower than a dead rat, and 2007.2 chokes on my sim  :(
Aug 29 16:12:44 <nyu> and they do already, since they can't switch provider, right?
Aug 29 16:12:49 <nyu> did someone manage to crack that?
Aug 29 16:13:07 <neolynx> hello, has anyone some experience witch debian on frerunner ?
Aug 29 16:13:17 <nyu> some
Aug 29 16:13:19 <Zorkman> nyu: don't know, but what is the use of unlocking an iphone??
Aug 29 16:13:29 <nyu> Zorkman: switching provider
Aug 29 16:13:30 <ecraven> AntonTakk: they are at about the state of a phone 15 years ago, slow, buggy, no good usability.. 
Aug 29 16:13:33 <Zorkman> you have paid your provider a two year contract...
Aug 29 16:13:35 <holycow> nyu: there is truth to your point indeed
Aug 29 16:13:36 <ecraven> neolynx: yes
Aug 29 16:13:49 <ecraven> neolynx: you might also ask in #openmoko-cdevel or #openmoko-debian
Aug 29 16:14:07 <neolynx> ecraven: thanks !
Aug 29 16:14:22 <AntonTakk> ecraven: yeah, I have gone back to my old phone till i can write some basic apps for fso
Aug 29 16:14:43 <ecraven> AntonTakk: i use it for gps (which works well enough, though not *long* enough ;)
Aug 29 16:14:44 <nyu> holycow: I don't think anyone likes to be caged.  but it's usually really hard to convince someone that he's been living in a cage
Aug 29 16:14:50 <ecraven> and i'll start playing around with gsm stuff soon
Aug 29 16:15:06 <AntonTakk> starting with an edje/evo based contacts management app
Aug 29 16:15:07 <iperry> does anybody know which app captures the aux keypresses?
Aug 29 16:15:09 <holycow> nyu: yeah humans don't make decisions rationally.
Aug 29 16:15:14 <iperry> are they broadcasted over dbus?
Aug 29 16:15:33 <Zorkman> thank god FSO milestone 3 will be ready tomorrow :-D
Aug 29 16:15:41 <AntonTakk> tomorrow?
Aug 29 16:15:51 <AntonTakk> they had 15 tickets last I checked
Aug 29 16:15:55 <TAsn> Zorkman, how do you know?
Aug 29 16:15:55 <mjr> hopefully it'll be even somewhat phone-usable...
Aug 29 16:16:09 <Zorkman> TAsn, AntonTakk: Due in 1 day (08/30/08)  
Aug 29 16:16:13 <Zorkman> and yeah, i'm kidding :)
Aug 29 16:16:15 <nyu> holycow: the rational side is just at the service of the emotional one.  so if the emotional one wants to feel well about being caged, it'll demand some explanation to justify it, and then be happy with that
Aug 29 16:16:44 <holycow> lol, thats probably the  best description i've ever read
Aug 29 16:16:45 <Zorkman> Mickey said +/- 9 days ago it would be ready in 7-10 days, that that was a realistic aim :)
Aug 29 16:16:45 <holycow> indeed
Aug 29 16:16:48 <Zorkman> we didin't believe him :)
Aug 29 16:16:50 <holycow> my hat off to you :)
Aug 29 16:16:53 <nyu> :-)
Aug 29 16:17:41 <nyu> of course, it's a lot of fun when you come and break that scheme to them
Aug 29 16:17:49 <AntonTakk> so again i plead: anyone have any experience doing dev with libebook?
Aug 29 16:18:00 <nyu> then they overreact and say you're a fundamentalist, etc :-)
Aug 29 16:18:06 <Zorkman> nope, sorry AntonTakk
Aug 29 16:18:45 <AntonTakk> if I could just get it to open the contacts db in async mode i could make a simple menu driven text ui and get the guts working
Aug 29 16:18:58 <AntonTakk> then work on an edje gui
Aug 29 16:20:30 <Zorkman> AntonTakk: you could ask on #openmoko-cdevel or on the ML...
Aug 29 16:20:36 <Zorkman> maybe more luck there
Aug 29 16:20:40 <AntonTakk> yeah
Aug 29 16:21:18 <AntonTakk> i may do that tonight at home, i really shouldn't be writing apps for fso while i'm supposed to be working
Aug 29 16:22:33 <Zorkman> unless your work is to make calling and suspend work reliable, I like it when you spend tome on writing apps instead of working ;-)
Aug 29 16:22:40 <AntonTakk> the only thing that leaves is i wonder if we will ever see a om phone with ui-controling buttons and a slide out kb
Aug 29 16:23:26 <AntonTakk> Zorkman: i want to get contact management working first, then i hope to write a very simple call handeling app
Aug 29 16:23:40 <AntonTakk> followed by a today-style app
Aug 29 16:23:42 <Zorkman> AntonTakk: If you really want that, maybe making a wiki page with a poll or a place where people can leave there name if they are also interested.. probably won't work.. but you can try :)
Aug 29 16:24:06 <Zorkman> An improved Zphone, sort of speak?
Aug 29 16:24:23 <AntonTakk> cut down and improved
Aug 29 16:24:45 <AntonTakk> basically zhone minus anything not directly related to making/receiving calls
Aug 29 16:24:51 <Zorkman> I think that would be very usefull... zphone is actually more proof-of-concept and a toy to test :)
Aug 29 16:25:31 <ecraven> zphone? zhone?
Aug 29 16:25:40 <Zorkman> zhone
Aug 29 16:25:53 <nyu> zune?
Aug 29 16:25:57 <AntonTakk> since in the end, as I understand it, the phone app won't do the notification, you'll make a dbus call and onotifyd (or w/e will do what is apropriate based on what ever)
Aug 29 16:26:04 <Zorkman> in my head I always call it ze-phone (with a german accent)
Aug 29 16:26:20 <Sprite_tm> AntonTakk : I was thinking of devving the same thing :)
Aug 29 16:26:22 <AntonTakk> i always call it "zone"
Aug 29 16:26:42 <AntonTakk> Sprite_tm: hrm, mayhape we should collab?  :)
Aug 29 16:26:47 <Sprite_tm> zhone is overengineerd imo
Aug 29 16:26:47 <AntonTakk> mayhaps*
Aug 29 16:26:52 <Zoup_> IS om2007 considered more stable than om2008 ?
Aug 29 16:26:54 <Sprite_tm> Errm...
Aug 29 16:27:05 <Sprite_tm> xhone? ;)
Aug 29 16:27:31 <Zorkman> why not call it just "phone" :P
Aug 29 16:27:48 <AntonTakk> Zoup_: yes, but ymmv, the phone stack in 2007.2 is flimsy at best ime
Aug 29 16:27:51 <Zorkman> linux is full of crazy names :) (I kinda like that aspect :))
Aug 29 16:28:17 <Sprite_tm> xinapa?
Aug 29 16:28:24 <Zoup_> AntonTakk: whats your take on FSO , debian ?
Aug 29 16:28:44 <Sprite_tm> mm, nm, wouulnd work.
Aug 29 16:29:11 <AntonTakk> fso ms2 is useable as a very basic phone, debian is not worth my time (imho)
Aug 29 16:30:15 <bumbl> yeah debian is not there yet; doesn't make fun
Aug 29 16:30:20 <Blalien> Zorkman: Where can I find the 2008.8 feed? Or do you mean the one on buildhost or on downloads
Aug 29 16:30:35 <Zorkman> Sprite_tm: I get errors with lightsaber
Aug 29 16:30:42 <Zorkman> Err: pcm_open
Aug 29 16:30:50 <Zorkman> lightsaber: pcm_params.c:2276: snd_pcm_hw_refine: Assertion `pcm && params' failed.
Aug 29 16:30:57 <Sprite_tm> Aah?
Aug 29 16:30:58 <Zorkman> Aborted
Aug 29 16:31:07 <Zorkman> Aah yes :)
Aug 29 16:31:18 <Sprite_tm> Do you run it asroot?
Aug 29 16:31:22 <Zorkman> jup
Aug 29 16:31:34 <Sprite_tm> Mmm, weird.
Aug 29 16:31:55 <Zorkman> I run it on 2008.8 because on 2007.2 my accelerometers don't work
Aug 29 16:32:08 <Zorkman> (event2 and 3 don't give output when hexdumping)
Aug 29 16:32:10 <Sprite_tm> Perhaps another app uses alsa?/
Aug 29 16:32:27 <Zorkman> just booted... didn't open a thing
Aug 29 16:33:08 <Sprite_tm> (working on my neeo now, btw, typos are because of the onscreen kb )0
Aug 29 16:33:22 <Zorkman> np
Aug 29 16:35:14 <AntonTakk> anyone know is gcc is an available package in fso?
Aug 29 16:35:17 <AntonTakk> if*
Aug 29 16:35:45 <Sprite_tm> Zorkman : did you need to recompile?
Aug 29 16:35:54 <Zorkman> Sprite_tm: no, i didn't recompile
Aug 29 16:36:13 <Zorkman> AntonTakk: maybe you can check the feeds at bearstech?
Aug 29 16:36:28 <iperry> does anybody know which app captures the aux keypresses? i want to hijack it to do what i want.
Aug 29 16:36:41 <Sprite_tm> K... Drat, it works likea harm here...
Aug 29 16:37:04 <Zorkman> :( if I can do anythin to assist you in debugging, let me know
Aug 29 16:37:57 <Sprite_tm> Errrm... not that I know... Long  shot, but could you recompile it?
Aug 29 16:38:19 <Zorkman> what do I need to do? type ./make?
Aug 29 16:38:26 <Zorkman> (I really am a noob @ linux...)
Aug 29 16:38:58 <Sprite_tm> Yeep, if you have gcc/make installed
Aug 29 16:39:06 <Sprite_tm> Sans ./ btw
Aug 29 16:39:07 <Torikun> how good is FSO
Aug 29 16:39:19 <Zorkman> make not found
Aug 29 16:39:34 <Zorkman> thought i had gcc installed...
Aug 29 16:39:34 <paroneayea> Torikun: not currently as usable as qtopia, but it's The Future
Aug 29 16:39:58 <Torikun> ASU is kinda good but not getting good fast enough
Aug 29 16:40:16 <Sprite_tm> Mmmm.. Ive onlyexxperience withdeebian,  unfortunhately.
Aug 29 16:40:34 <Torikun> My usb0 is not detected on debian
Aug 29 16:40:38 <Torikun> Debian had good look
Aug 29 16:40:45 <lindi-> Torikun: usb0 is not detected?
Aug 29 16:40:51 <Torikun> yup
Aug 29 16:41:00 <lindi-> Torikun: isn't that entirely kernel issue?
Aug 29 16:41:06 <Torikun> should be
Aug 29 16:41:11 <Torikun> using latest openmoko kernel
Aug 29 16:41:15 <lindi-> Torikun: do you have time to debug this?
Aug 29 16:41:20 <Torikun> sure
Aug 29 16:42:00 <lindi-> Torikun: install.sh fetches http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/uImage-2.6.24+gitr0+7a1370a816b9348dd8f36a667905dd3533cefc9b-r4-om-gta02.bin
Aug 29 16:42:04 <lindi-> Torikun: are you using something else?
Aug 29 16:42:20 <Torikun> maybe
Aug 29 16:43:07 <Torikun> fedora core 9?
Aug 29 16:43:12 <lindi-> ?
Aug 29 16:43:13 <Zorkman> whatch out for the belgians!
Aug 29 16:43:17 <Kontuus> why doesn't openmoko phone have 3g?
Aug 29 16:43:31 <Torikun> it is not useable with gsm yet
Aug 29 16:43:31 <Torikun> lol
Aug 29 16:43:38 <lindi-> Kontuus: it would probably have cost too much?
Aug 29 16:44:20 <Torikun> how should I install the debian kernel
Aug 29 16:44:21 <Kontuus> lindi-: a nokia gsm phone costs 40 euros
Aug 29 16:44:39 <Torikun> obviousally, the installer messed up the first time
Aug 29 16:45:03 <lindi-> Kontuus: so? they make huge number of phones
Aug 29 16:45:19 <lindi-> Torikun: you can just wget it?
Aug 29 16:45:24 <lindi-> Torikun: it is not in debian yet
Aug 29 16:45:36 <lindi-> i hope it'll soon be
Aug 29 16:46:39 <Torikun>  ./install.sh mount kernel
Aug 29 16:46:41 <Torikun> i did that
Aug 29 16:46:44 <Torikun> itis downloading kernel
Aug 29 16:48:29 <Dave> TORIKUNS
Aug 29 16:48:37 <Torikun> DAVES
Aug 29 16:48:43 <Dave> What is that, the new debian installer? :p
Aug 29 16:48:50 <Torikun> LOL
Aug 29 16:48:53 <Torikun> LETS HOPE I CAN SSH IN
Aug 29 16:48:53 <Torikun> lol
Aug 29 16:49:15 <Torikun> Debian was pretty
Aug 29 16:49:16 <bumbl> Torikun: you can ssh in
Aug 29 16:49:21 <Dave> Doubtful
Aug 29 16:49:29 <Torikun> bumbl: kernel issues with module for usb0
Aug 29 16:49:32 <Dave> It doesn't like you.
Aug 29 16:49:34 <Dave> :p
Aug 29 16:50:21 <Torikun> NOONE LIKESME
Aug 29 16:50:22 <Torikun> lol
Aug 29 16:50:35 <Dave> Man, the ipv6 support on my phone is flakey.
Aug 29 16:50:42 <Dave> Torikun, we sort of like you...
Aug 29 16:50:58 <lindi-> Torikun: but you had wrong kernel?
Aug 29 16:51:09 <Dave> lindi, how's it going? :)
Aug 29 16:51:14 <Torikun> dunno
Aug 29 16:51:15 <Dave> Any new amazing debian developments? :)
Aug 29 16:51:18 <Torikun> I wil reinstall it
Aug 29 16:51:20 <Torikun> and check
Aug 29 16:51:39 <Torikun> Wireless should work good on debian
Aug 29 16:51:58 <bumbl> Torikun: never had that one
Aug 29 16:52:27 <Torikun> Boy, Linux sure puts a new meaning to Plug and Prey
Aug 29 16:53:20 <Dave> Preying Linux
Aug 29 16:53:24 <Dave> >:D~
Aug 29 16:53:37 <Torikun> Oh, lord! Please boot thy PC with the correct modules
Aug 29 16:53:49 <soltys> does opkg has similar option as --depclean in emerge ?
Aug 29 16:53:58 <Torikun> emerge = fail
Aug 29 16:54:06 <bumbl> Torikun: apt-get = fail
Aug 29 16:54:13 <soltys> hehe
Aug 29 16:54:18 <Torikun> pacman = naked woman
Aug 29 16:54:29 <Zorkman> :D
Aug 29 16:54:41 <Torikun> I want Arch on me phone mateys!
Aug 29 16:54:55 <Zorkman> I read that you can solve eachpackman game by moving in curse-words
Aug 29 16:55:00 <bumbl> arch only runs on i686 and amd64
Aug 29 16:55:13 <Torikun> They made a ppc port
Aug 29 16:55:17 <bumbl> really
Aug 29 16:55:23 <bumbl> wow
Aug 29 16:55:25 <Torikun> not offical
Aug 29 16:55:29 <bumbl>  /sarcasm off
Aug 29 16:55:30 <Torikun> for them mac heads
Aug 29 16:55:44 <soltys> i want to remove deps of removed apps...
Aug 29 16:55:57 <soltys> how can i do that ?
Aug 29 16:57:15 <bumbl> soltys: i don't think opkg supports that
Aug 29 16:57:43 <bumbl> but you could run portage prefix inside the openmoko distribution
Aug 29 16:57:54 <bumbl> or use the gentoo embedded port
Aug 29 16:58:08 <bumbl> you compile everything on a hostpc
Aug 29 16:58:13 <bumbl> using crosscompile
Aug 29 16:58:22 <bumbl> but you have the power of portage
Aug 29 16:58:51 <soltys> if i have time i could play with that
Aug 29 16:59:06 <soltys> but that will happen in future
Aug 29 17:00:00 <Dave> -_-
Aug 29 17:06:21 <Dave> MOKO MADNESS
Aug 29 17:12:36 <LionKMP> are older daily builds always deleted from this dir ? http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ or why is there only one?
Aug 29 17:13:31 <Zoup> Dave: Freeze!
Aug 29 17:17:17 <Zorkman> Dave: Hammertime!
Aug 29 17:42:41 <Zorkman> wouldn't it be nice if we had a bot that posted a message here everytime a new bugreport is submitted?
Aug 29 17:43:16 <Zorkman> what CIA-22 is doing for the different branches at the moment
Aug 29 17:46:36 <phrozen77> Zorkman, are they available as rss feed?
Aug 29 17:47:15 <bumbl> Zorkman: it would be nice
Aug 29 17:47:21 <bumbl> but it might flood the channel
Aug 29 17:47:46 <Zorkman> but maybe only when a new ticket is created? not with ever comment...
Aug 29 17:47:56 <ieatlint> blarg
Aug 29 17:47:58 <Zorkman> tickets are I think max 10/day
Aug 29 17:48:27 <bumbl> i should sign up
Aug 29 17:48:35 <bumbl> adding 10/day
Aug 29 17:49:06 <Zorkman> hehe, you should :)
Aug 29 17:49:34 <phrozen77> Zorkman, where is the bugtracker?
Aug 29 17:49:43 <Zorkman> but sometimes you have to post 10posts on a bug report just to convice a developper it REALLY is an imporatant issue (after he checks it as "invalid")
Aug 29 17:50:02 <ieatlint> Dave, the library may be done ...
Aug 29 17:50:15 <Zorkman> phrozen77: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/
Aug 29 17:51:13 <Zoup> My phone is in many different wifi networks , i there any way for phone to autodetect networks and configure itself ?
Aug 29 17:55:45 <bedboi> what's the latest image usable on a neo 1973 ?
Aug 29 17:56:32 <Zorkman> you guys have usable images???
Aug 29 17:56:43 <Zorkman> I should have bought a neo1973 instead of a FR :)
Aug 29 17:56:50 <bedboi> why that?
Aug 29 17:57:01 <bedboi> it depends on what's your definition of "usable"
Aug 29 17:57:29 <Zorkman> yeah I was just joking bedboi, and while I was at it sharing the fact that i do not have a 1973 so I sadly can't help you, sorry
Aug 29 17:57:33 <bedboi> i would be quite happy if the battery would last at least 10 hours
Aug 29 17:57:59 <bedboi> 12 is even a good figure
Aug 29 17:58:18 <harnir> bedboi: you mean 10 h working or 10 h in suspend?
Aug 29 17:58:28 <bedboi> well,not 10h talking
Aug 29 17:58:38 <bedboi> 10h of normal usage
Aug 29 17:58:48 <bedboi> as any other mobile phne
Aug 29 17:58:50 <bedboi> phone
Aug 29 17:59:42 <bedboi> honestly, i'm not following so much the improvements of openmoko
Aug 29 17:59:52 <b0ib0t> I have return
Aug 29 17:59:58 <bedboi> since at least 6 months even more maybe
Aug 29 18:00:11 <LionKMP> where is the wireless configuration page in the wifi?
Aug 29 18:00:13 <LionKMP> wiki
Aug 29 18:01:08 <Blalien> has anyone tested gpsdrive on om 2008.8?
Aug 29 18:02:00 <LionKMP> how do I enter Wifi password if it keeps on replacing my text with English words? :(
Aug 29 18:02:29 <harnir> do you know any way of changing font in openmoko-terminal2 besides recompilation?
Aug 29 18:03:10 <harnir> LionKMP: use zoom
Aug 29 18:03:51 <LionKMP> what zoom?
Aug 29 18:03:54 <bumbl> LionKMP: stay on the key until it zooms in
Aug 29 18:04:20 <UndrWater> do some of you get the message "no such Alternate <alternate>" using dfu-util sometimes?
Aug 29 18:04:24 <LionKMP> oh, ok. hm, I entered a wrong english word and I am afraid there is no backspace.
Aug 29 18:04:40 <bumbl> flip from the right to the left
Aug 29 18:04:47 <bumbl> enter is up to down
Aug 29 18:04:47 <UndrWater> slide from right to left
Aug 29 18:05:05 <bumbl> change the .kbd is down to up
Aug 29 18:05:06 <UndrWater> up to down changes keyboard, no?
Aug 29 18:05:21 <UndrWater> left to right is space
Aug 29 18:05:23 <harnir> what ASU needs is asututor, especially for the keyboard
Aug 29 18:05:25 <bumbl> and space is for space
Aug 29 18:05:31 <phrozen77> Zorkman, where is the bugtracker?
Aug 29 18:05:33 <phrozen77> arg
Aug 29 18:05:34 <bumbl> UndrWater: up to down is enter
Aug 29 18:05:37 <phrozen77> Zorkman, there you go
Aug 29 18:06:06 <UndrWater> bumbl: i get kb change if i up to down, or down to up
Aug 29 18:06:18 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r2fa62b9e6b8c 10/odeviced/src/daemon/plugin.vala: Resolve plugin symbols lazily and keep them local to the respective plugins
Aug 29 18:06:18 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r5cedbf9faec7 10/odeviced/src/plugins/power/ (Makefile.am power-helpers.h power.vala): Use Kernel Uevents to receive power_supply notifications via netlink. Removes the need for the evil polling of battery status
Aug 29 18:06:21 <Zorkman> phrozen77: i gave you the link, no?
Aug 29 18:06:27 <phrozen77> yes
Aug 29 18:06:30 <Zorkman> k
Aug 29 18:06:36 <phrozen77> OMBugsBot should be posting the bugs
Aug 29 18:06:37 <phrozen77> _should_
Aug 29 18:06:45 <Blalien> No-one tried gpsdrive?
Aug 29 18:06:48 <phrozen77> doesnt looklike it tho
Aug 29 18:07:01 <harnir> anyone using 2007.2 here?
Aug 29 18:07:13 <LionKMP> thanks for keyboard hints (this is horrible :D )
Aug 29 18:07:28 <Zorkman> harnir: I use it (together with 2008.8-upgraded)
Aug 29 18:07:58 <bumbl> UndrWater: ah then the qtopia keyboard handles gestures different than the illume keyboard
Aug 29 18:08:01 <harnir> Zorkman: good to know, I thought for a minute I'm the last user ;-)
Aug 29 18:08:03 <bumbl> up to down is enter
Aug 29 18:08:11 <Zorkman> harnir: no , a lot of people use it
Aug 29 18:08:14 <UndrWater> bumbl: must be so ;)
Aug 29 18:08:16 <Zorkman> Dave also uses it
Aug 29 18:08:29 <harnir> Zorkman: do you know a way to completely turn off clock on Today, or customize quick launch bar?
Aug 29 18:08:46 <bumbl> i might go back to 2007.2
Aug 29 18:08:51 <harnir> I need a terminal icon there
Aug 29 18:08:53 <fish_> re
Aug 29 18:08:56 <UndrWater> <-moving to FSO
Aug 29 18:08:56 <bumbl> fso is nice but some apps are not ready
Aug 29 18:08:59 <Zorkman> hmm i think i read about disabling clock, customising quick launch bar.. that i don't know
Aug 29 18:09:04 <Zorkman> (you can customize the top bar though)
Aug 29 18:09:16 <bumbl> fir ut
Aug 29 18:09:23 <harnir> yeah, matchbox/session, been there, done tha
Aug 29 18:09:24 <spydon> Zorkman, I saw a guy on youtube who had done that
Aug 29 18:09:29 <bumbl> for it
Aug 29 18:09:40 <harnir> see you later
Aug 29 18:09:56 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rf6b2cddd36c3 10/odeviced/src/plugins/power/power-helpers.c: oops...forgot to git add
Aug 29 18:10:39 <Zorkman> grr harnir, i just got your command
Aug 29 18:10:59 <LionKMP> i am unable to set up masquereading on Mandriva for the usb0 connected Neo :( Mandiva even has a control center for network sharing, no luck.
Aug 29 18:11:07 <doc|work> is qtopia.net down?
Aug 29 18:11:12 <LionKMP> I find a basic network guide :)
Aug 29 18:12:30 <admiral0> hello *
Aug 29 18:13:02 <Zorkman> hi
Aug 29 18:14:53 <admiral0> i've installed illume-config-illume
Aug 29 18:15:01 <admiral0> result:potatoes
Aug 29 18:15:38 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1250: No Wifi in Managed Mode ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1250 )
Aug 29 18:15:41 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1253: Mysterious green lines on screen ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1253 )
Aug 29 18:15:44 <phrozen77> :D
Aug 29 18:15:44 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1282: Remove rotate display option ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1282 )
Aug 29 18:15:47 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1315: xglamo: Performance decreases after a while ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1315 )
Aug 29 18:15:50 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1318: OpenMoko not mounting on Qemu on Fedora8 ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1318 )
Aug 29 18:15:52 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1322: Background noise during conversation ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1322 )
Aug 29 18:15:55 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1354: Cannot resume from suspend if suspend more than 30 minutes ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1354 )
Aug 29 18:15:58 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1367: atheros wireless driver doesn't report info correctly ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1367 )
Aug 29 18:16:02 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1376: GSM does not respond to flow control ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1376 )
Aug 29 18:16:05 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1567: cannot re-flash the debug board ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1567 )
Aug 29 18:16:08 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1651: Incoming call tone has fixed repeat rate ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1651 )
Aug 29 18:16:11 <phrozen77> it'll post the content of the rss feed for the first time, then only updates
Aug 29 18:16:11 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1654: [illume] Manually showing and hiding the keyboard. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1654 )
Aug 29 18:16:14 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1834: openmoko-dialer2 crashes when no dbus connection could be set (bad error init) ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1834 )
Aug 29 18:16:17 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1841: white screen of death (WSOD) after resume ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1841 )
Aug 29 18:16:19 <Zorkman> admiral0: dam n
Aug 29 18:16:20 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1849: mmcinit error with the SD card that came with the phone ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1849 )
Aug 29 18:16:22 <Zorkman> that's bad news
Aug 29 18:16:23 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1873: Mediaplayer does not load Proper alsa scenario ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1873 )
Aug 29 18:16:26 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1901: Answer button does not work ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1901 )
Aug 29 18:16:29 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1601: can not hear anything after disconnected third parties call ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1601 )
Aug 29 18:16:32 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1625: conman/wifi driver: can connect to wifi network only once ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1625 )
Aug 29 18:16:35 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1640: [Audio] Improve overall audio experience in ASU ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1640 )
Aug 29 18:16:38 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1662: [GSM] not working properly after x hours of usage ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1662 )
Aug 29 18:16:42 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1771: Booting fails: AR6000 problem ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1771 )
Aug 29 18:16:44 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1805: SD card corruption with 2008.8 ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1805 )
Aug 29 18:16:47 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1255: No indication of battery charging when power is off ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1255 )
Aug 29 18:16:48 <LionKMP> wow so many bugs at once
Aug 29 18:16:50 * mmontour welcomes our new BugBot overlords
Aug 29 18:16:50 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1818: SMS doesn't send when network coverage restores ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1818 )
Aug 29 18:16:53 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1548: Test that adding a repository actually works ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1548 )
Aug 29 18:16:57 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1586: Antenna show with signal, but can't make any phone call or receive call (no alert message) ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1586 )
Aug 29 18:16:59 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1587: can not receive SMS often ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1587 )
Aug 29 18:17:03 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1661: Unable to send saved tags by entering number (must have) ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1661 )
Aug 29 18:17:05 <Zorkman> is the bug bot catching up ? :)
Aug 29 18:17:06 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1691: [Qtopia] qpe crash happened after flash the new image ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1691 )
Aug 29 18:17:09 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1722: [GSM] taking signal is too slow ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1722 )
Aug 29 18:17:09 <LionKMP> we should not what works, not what does not :)
Aug 29 18:17:12 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1789: 2008.8 screen blanks and refuses to wakeup ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1789 )
Aug 29 18:17:13 <abraxa_> wtf...
Aug 29 18:17:14 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1888: [Setting] can't connect to network via wifi ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1888 )
Aug 29 18:17:15 <LionKMP> not=note
Aug 29 18:17:17 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1897: OM2008.8-upgrade ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1897 )
Aug 29 18:17:20 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #79: suspend/resume to RAM support ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/79 )
Aug 29 18:17:23 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1436: openmoko.conf breaks builds which use a custom overlay ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1436 )
Aug 29 18:17:27 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #44: InputMethod API ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/44 )
Aug 29 18:17:28 <phrozen77> yeah
Aug 29 18:17:29 <phrozen77> ok
Aug 29 18:17:29 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #58: API for neod (device daemon) ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/58 )
Aug 29 18:17:32 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #65: Visual indication for SMS overflow ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/65 )
Aug 29 18:17:35 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #81: Decide how PMU RTC alarm interrupt is signalled to userspace ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/81 )
Aug 29 18:17:38 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #96: make sure PMU alarm (set via rtc interface) is persistent ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/96 )
Aug 29 18:17:40 <LionKMP> someone changed a metabug :)
Aug 29 18:17:41 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #101: Implement GPRS setup/teardown support ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/101 )
Aug 29 18:17:44 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #110: look into gps / agps integration ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/110 )
Aug 29 18:17:47 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #111: integrate agpsd in our system power management. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/111 )
Aug 29 18:17:50 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #112: How to deliver kernel-level alarm to destination app ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/112 )
Aug 29 18:17:53 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #113: bluetooth headset support ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/113 )
Aug 29 18:17:56 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #116: bluetooth HID support (host) ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/116 )
Aug 29 18:17:58 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #117: bluetooth HID support (device) ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/117 )
Aug 29 18:18:02 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #118: bluetooth networking support ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/118 )
Aug 29 18:18:05 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #120: bluetooth OBEX ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/120 )
Aug 29 18:18:07 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #181: Password Storage/Retrieval Application ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/181 )
Aug 29 18:18:10 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #197: Make theme suitable for qvga screens. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/197 )
Aug 29 18:18:13 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #209: u-boot DFU needs to block console access while in DFU mode ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/209 )
Aug 29 18:18:16 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #246: Debug board needs to be recognized by mainline linux kernel. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/246 )
Aug 29 18:18:19 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #321: ftdi_eeprom often fails silently ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/321 )
Aug 29 18:18:23 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #350: OpenMoko keyboard usability issues ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/350 )
Aug 29 18:18:23 <LionKMP> are all these changing state RESOLVED FIXED? :-D
Aug 29 18:18:25 <abraxa_> Who the fck thought such a bot would be a good idea?!
Aug 29 18:18:26 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #418: Power Button Timeouts too long ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/418 )
Aug 29 18:18:28 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #448: We need an alarm daemon ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/448 )
Aug 29 18:18:31 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #452: Openmoko widgets need to use gobject properties ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/452 )
Aug 29 18:18:34 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #527: The BlueTooth broadcast ID is set wrong (patch) ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/527 )
Aug 29 18:18:36 * phrozen77 points to Zorkman 
Aug 29 18:18:37 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #555: remove/disable portmap by default on official releases ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/555 )
Aug 29 18:18:40 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #596: dfu transfer very slow on GTA02 ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/596 )
Aug 29 18:18:43 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #603: timeout at boot menu while typing ? ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/603 )
Aug 29 18:18:46 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #674: compile in profiling support ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/674 )
Aug 29 18:18:48 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #745: gnome-system-tools ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/745 )
Aug 29 18:18:50 * Zorkman pleads not guilty
Aug 29 18:18:52 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #764: initiating a PAN using pand gets "Permission denied (13)" ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/764 )
Aug 29 18:18:52 <LionKMP> -v it
Aug 29 18:18:55 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #765: Factory Reset writes wrong environment ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/765 )
Aug 29 18:18:57 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #799: data abort while reading from SD Cards ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/799 )
Aug 29 18:19:01 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #806: Standby voltage set to 2.1V, not 1.8V as datasheet says. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/806 )
Aug 29 18:19:04 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #808: Nonexistent $HOME breaks stuff ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/808 )
Aug 29 18:19:06 * rool1 snickers at the chance that this bot will get kicked by freenode
Aug 29 18:19:06 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #812: "neo1973 gsm version" command does not respond ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/812 )
Aug 29 18:19:07 * Zorkman ah, I did thought it would be useful
Aug 29 18:19:09 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #847: Shutdown if battery level goes too low ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/847 )
Aug 29 18:19:13 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #850: Standard Gtk+ file browser unusable ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/850 )
Aug 29 18:19:14 <Zoup> what does this Bugbot reports ?
Aug 29 18:19:15 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #864: GTK filerequester is unusable on Neo1973 ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/864 )
Aug 29 18:19:18 <phrozen77> rool1, it wont
Aug 29 18:19:18 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #870: During boot, init looks for psplash in /usr/bin -- which might not be mounted yet ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/870 )
Aug 29 18:19:21 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #872: Implement GPS and BT power in neod power button menu ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/872 )
Aug 29 18:19:24 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #879: File chooser dialog (gtk+) uses wrong icons ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/879 )
Aug 29 18:19:27 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #881: [patch] /etc/hosts should contain 192.168.0.200 ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/881 )
Aug 29 18:19:30 * Zorkman but I thought it would be useful if it notified of NEW bugs only when they were created, so 10bugs/day or so
Aug 29 18:19:31 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #883: Audible GSM interference when making a call ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/883 )
Aug 29 18:19:34 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #895: libgsmd-tool crashes a lot on invalid inputs ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/895 )
Aug 29 18:19:35 <LionKMP> Zoup: all these are fixed ;-)
Aug 29 18:19:36 <fish_> ignore helps ;)
Aug 29 18:19:37 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #904: volume has poor range when headphones are plugged in. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/904 )
Aug 29 18:19:40 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #905: media player should not try to play non-media files ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/905 )
Aug 29 18:19:43 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #908: Unexpected onscreen keyboard expose/collapse behavior in openmoko-terminal2 ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/908 )
Aug 29 18:19:43 <Zoup> YAY!
Aug 29 18:19:44 <LionKMP> fish wow!!! :D
Aug 29 18:19:46 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #933: event import ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/933 )
Aug 29 18:19:49 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #938: Excessive noise when making phone calls ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/938 )
Aug 29 18:19:52 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #941: Kinetic scrolling is hard to use with fingers ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/941 )
Aug 29 18:19:55 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #943: openmoko-browser2 segfaults when trying to open an url ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/943 )
Aug 29 18:19:58 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #948: Keyboard dissappears when text field has visibility turned off ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/948 )
Aug 29 18:19:59 <Zorkman> harnir: gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/poky/interface/reduced true
Aug 29 18:20:01 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #952: Just some cool ideas I have been joting down. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/952 )
Aug 29 18:20:04 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #961: Scrolling of packages list produce unreadable content ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/961 )
Aug 29 18:20:07 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #970: Keyboard opens and closes in a loop ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/970 )
Aug 29 18:20:08 <Zorkman> me says to harnir: gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/poky/interface/reduced true
Aug 29 18:20:10 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #971: OpenMoko restarts without warning ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/971 )
Aug 29 18:20:11 * Zorkman says to harnir: gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/poky/interface/reduced true
Aug 29 18:20:13 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #978: Package info tab opens keyboard ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/978 )
Aug 29 18:20:16 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #982: Mediaplayer does not allow to select files to play ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/982 )
Aug 29 18:20:19 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #983: Filesystem navigation does not support kinematic scrolling ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/983 )
Aug 29 18:20:22 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #991: PMU driver doesn't populate initial input device status ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/991 )
Aug 29 18:20:22 <harnir> Zorkman: I want quick launch bar... :-)
Aug 29 18:20:25 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #995: Moko theme has too small arrows in menu ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/995 )
Aug 29 18:20:28 <Zorkman> aha
Aug 29 18:20:28 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #996: Browser lack FullScreen button ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/996 )
Aug 29 18:20:33 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #997: Keyboard does not popup when cursor is inside of form entry ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/997 )
Aug 29 18:20:34 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #998: Keyboard autorepeat is too twitchy ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/998 )
Aug 29 18:20:37 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1005: U-boot passthrough does not work for current gsmd ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1005 )
Aug 29 18:20:40 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1012: moko-gtk-theme lacks UI elements for openmoko-mediaplayer2 ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1012 )
Aug 29 18:20:43 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1018: skewed video frames on Xglamo ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1018 )
Aug 29 18:20:46 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1019: Possible cross-compiler bug involving type coercion ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1019 )
Aug 29 18:20:49 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1020: Investigate Upstart in OpenMoko ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1020 )
Aug 29 18:20:50 <Zorkman> who owns this bot?
Aug 29 18:20:52 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1024: gsm modem oscillating between registrated / not-registrated ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024 )
Aug 29 18:20:53 <harnir> Zorkman: I already shrank the clock to a tiny size
Aug 29 18:20:53 <phrozen77> me
Aug 29 18:20:55 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1040: Mediaplayer adds files to a playlist in an unpredictable order ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1040 )
Aug 29 18:20:58 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1041: Mediaplayer gets VBR mp3 durations incorrect ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1041 )
Aug 29 18:21:01 <harnir> what's with the OMBugsBot?
Aug 29 18:21:02 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1043: Call use cases ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1043 )
Aug 29 18:21:04 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1054: Description field does not scroll view during entering data ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1054 )
Aug 29 18:21:08 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1055: "Delete event" icon is always enabled ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1055 )
Aug 29 18:21:11 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1057: openmoko-browser2 could really use a local file selection browser ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1057 )
Aug 29 18:21:12 <LionKMP> brb in 10 :D
Aug 29 18:21:13 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1058: Web Browser renders plaintext as html -- looks ugly ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1058 )
Aug 29 18:21:17 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1066: [xglamo] 2D operations should not be batched ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1066 )
Aug 29 18:21:20 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1074: Change Root Password ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1074 )
Aug 29 18:21:22 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1079: Dialer does not work - method does not exist ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1079 )
Aug 29 18:21:26 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1084: PUK Support ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1084 )
Aug 29 18:21:28 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1088: Move production test code out of U-Boot into kernel module ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1088 )
Aug 29 18:21:31 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1091: gllin package installs into /home instead of /usr ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1091 )
Aug 29 18:21:34 <balrog-k1n> phrozen77: why don't you kill it?
Aug 29 18:21:35 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1092: gllin outputs uncompressed NMEA log, crashes on disk full ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1092 )
Aug 29 18:21:37 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1105: Blanking GTA01 LCD doesn't switch off display refresh ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1105 )
Aug 29 18:21:41 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1107: Italian translation missing ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1107 )
Aug 29 18:21:43 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1109: Translations for openmoko-today are not possible ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1109 )
Aug 29 18:21:46 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1115: avoid busy looping to wait for glamo engine idle state ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1115 )
Aug 29 18:21:49 <Zorkman> admiral0: where did you find illume-config-illume??
Aug 29 18:21:50 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1127: Italian translation missing ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1127 )
Aug 29 18:21:52 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1130: the stat() system call hangs when the argument is a remote folder ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1130 )
Aug 29 18:21:56 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1131: SIM does not register with network ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1131 )
Aug 29 18:21:56 <admiral0> testing
Aug 29 18:21:58 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1133: some games menu don't fit on screen ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1133 )
Aug 29 18:22:00 <admiral0> calm down
Aug 29 18:22:02 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1136: GSM panel applet keeps on displaying 'Connected to GSM network' notification ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1136 )
Aug 29 18:22:05 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1158: Charging stops even while connected ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1158 )
Aug 29 18:22:05 <phrozen77> balrog-k1n, why would i when i sort of just created it?
Aug 29 18:22:07 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1161: openmoko-terminal2 - wrong $HOME variable in env ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1161 )
Aug 29 18:22:11 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1162: New message event appear only with specific hardware/software configuration ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1162 )
Aug 29 18:22:14 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1172: cannot hear any sound from dialer in GTA02 ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1172 )
Aug 29 18:22:17 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1175: Automatic ipkg kernel upgrade needs stricter sanity check ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1175 )
Aug 29 18:22:19 <phrozen77> as i said
Aug 29 18:22:20 <doc|work> admiral0: it's a bot (and an irritating one at that)
Aug 29 18:22:20 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1176: Truncated u-boot printout of kernel version string ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1176 )
Aug 29 18:22:22 <admiral0> enlightenment SEG Fed
Aug 29 18:22:23 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1179: Mobile phone hands after 'shutdown now' from the command line ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1179 )
Aug 29 18:22:24 <balrog-k1n> phrozen77: because it violates various important rules ;)
Aug 29 18:22:27 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1183: Suggested initscripts for gllin and gpsd ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1183 )
Aug 29 18:22:27 <phrozen77> it will post the contents of the feed at first
Aug 29 18:22:27 <ernstfr> :to the bot use fso
Aug 29 18:22:29 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1189: Click on the program category line in the Application manager does not always open the category list. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1189 )
Aug 29 18:22:32 <phrozen77> but will stfu after that
Aug 29 18:22:33 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1192: unknown reason cause TI GSM modem always return "+CME ERROR: 512" ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1192 )
Aug 29 18:22:34 <admiral0> doc|work: i know
Aug 29 18:22:35 <balrog-k1n> and may get you into trubole
Aug 29 18:22:36 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1193: Severe performance problems with Pulseaudio ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1193 )
Aug 29 18:22:37 <phrozen77> and only post new bugs
Aug 29 18:22:37 <abraxa_> phrozen77: Cause no one wants the bot?!
Aug 29 18:22:39 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1194: Touchscreen Jitter ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1194 )
Aug 29 18:22:42 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1195: gsmd can't pass pressure testing ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1195 )
Aug 29 18:22:45 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1197: Some messages are to high ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1197 )
Aug 29 18:22:48 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1198: Audio (via headphone jack) doesn't couple well to some line-inputs ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1198 )
Aug 29 18:22:51 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1199: gps power status ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1199 )
Aug 29 18:22:54 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1200: bluetooth power status ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1200 )
Aug 29 18:22:57 * Zorkman wants the bug IF it only posts new bugs
Aug 29 18:23:03 <phrozen77> *shrug*
Aug 29 18:23:04 <admiral0> i said to Zorkman to calm because when i tried it it didn't work
Aug 29 18:23:17 <admiral0> phrozen77:LOL
Aug 29 18:23:21 <Zorkman> :)
Aug 29 18:23:28 <phrozen77> hm wait
Aug 29 18:23:41 <Zorkman> ah, sorry if I didn't make that implession but I am calm :)
Aug 29 18:24:13 <phrozen77> technically, now it should stfu
Aug 29 18:24:15 <Zorkman> harnir:  gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/poky/interface/small_clock true
Aug 29 18:24:18 <phrozen77> unless new bugs come up
Aug 29 18:24:19 <admiral0> i'l say if it works when it finishes( i broke illume today :()
Aug 29 18:24:21 <abraxa_> Zorkman: If you want new bugs, subscribe to the bug list, dammit.
Aug 29 18:24:28 <harnir> Zorkman: yes, got that one
Aug 29 18:24:38 <harnir> but it still sits there and steals CPU
Aug 29 18:24:41 <ernstfr> does anyone use fr with a webcam ?
Aug 29 18:24:46 <Zorkman> harnir: restart x
Aug 29 18:25:11 <harnir> Zorkman: no, I have small clock already
Aug 29 18:25:19 <harnir> I want to get rid of it.
Aug 29 18:25:19 <abraxa_> I for one am pretty pissed that this bot is going to spam this channel with useless information that very few care about and can get it someplace else easily
Aug 29 18:25:22 <Dave> Haw haw
Aug 29 18:25:31 <phrozen77> abraxa_, /ignore
Aug 29 18:25:32 <Dave> That's what you get.
Aug 29 18:25:42 <admiral0> testing repos > /etc/opkg/..  ... and then opkg update/upgrade
Aug 29 18:25:51 <Dave> roflcopter
Aug 29 18:25:53 <admiral0> let's see if it doesn'r kill me
Aug 29 18:26:34 <fish_> what says the weather forcast about the current 2008.8-update? ;)
Aug 29 18:26:47 <admiral0> fish_: very stormy
Aug 29 18:26:56 <phrozen77> fish_, a shitstorm
Aug 29 18:26:59 <fish_> anyone tried it? i tried 2008.8 from 25. and it didn't work at all
Aug 29 18:26:59 <admiral0> a hell of a monsoon
Aug 29 18:27:03 <abraxa_> phrozen77: Why should I? The people who want this information can SIGN UP
Aug 29 18:27:18 <rool1> who else uses om2007?
Aug 29 18:27:23 <ernstfr> blame for fr
Aug 29 18:27:44 <Zorkman> me
Aug 29 18:27:46 <ernstfr> use asu unstable
Aug 29 18:27:48 <fish_> phrozen77: guess than i'll have to wait
Aug 29 18:27:55 <ernstfr> the best
Aug 29 18:28:05 <harnir> rool1: I got it.
Aug 29 18:28:33 <admiral0> ernstfr: why asu unstable?
Aug 29 18:29:42 <ernstfr> less bugs than stable milestone
Aug 29 18:29:52 <ernstfr> 2
Aug 29 18:29:53 <admiral0> really?
Aug 29 18:30:03 <admiral0> O_O
Aug 29 18:30:06 <ernstfr> :)
Aug 29 18:30:21 <admiral0> i'm upgrading to testing
Aug 29 18:30:28 <ernstfr> i think so
Aug 29 18:31:15 <ernstfr> unstable is b3\etter then testing
Aug 29 18:31:27 <admiral0> i'll see
Aug 29 18:31:36 <ernstfr> but you can not recive calls
Aug 29 18:31:52 <admiral0> ?????!
Aug 29 18:32:00 <ernstfr> in testinng too
Aug 29 18:32:11 <doc|work> so, qtopia.net down?
Aug 29 18:32:36 <admiral0> ernstfr why?
Aug 29 18:32:40 <wyze> man 2008 really sucks
Aug 29 18:32:47 <doc|work> yup
Aug 29 18:32:53 <admiral0> yeah
Aug 29 18:33:05 <wyze> stuck with 2007 i guess
Aug 29 18:33:07 <admiral0> 2007 is really better
Aug 29 18:33:08 <b0ib0t> *yawn* i'm ready for bed
Aug 29 18:33:51 <b0ib0t> so can freerunner get and send calls?
Aug 29 18:34:03 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1904: om2008.8 wifi don't get always an ipv4 ip ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1904 )
Aug 29 18:34:03 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1903: zhone_git.bb do_compile failed ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1903 )
Aug 29 18:34:05 <b0ib0t> yah or nah
Aug 29 18:34:09 <doc|work> b0ib0t: yep, best to go with qtopia if you want a stable phone
Aug 29 18:34:15 <b0ib0t> ah kewl
Aug 29 18:35:11 <ernstfr> i dont know , sorry my fr pidgin chat makes my  hand sleep
Aug 29 18:35:36 <ernstfr> no bloodd in hand
Aug 29 18:35:42 <admiral0> lol
Aug 29 18:35:51 <Zorkman> yay
Aug 29 18:36:19 <Zorkman> does anyone get romoko to work??
Aug 29 18:36:50 <ernstfr> q buut without m sd card then it crashed
Aug 29 18:36:52 <UndrWater> romoko? the remote thingy?
Aug 29 18:37:04 <UndrWater> remoko?
Aug 29 18:37:05 <Zorkman> yeah bluetooth remote
Aug 29 18:37:18 <Zorkman> it's built like a nuclear shelter
Aug 29 18:37:24 <UndrWater> i haven't tried it yet
Aug 29 18:37:35 <Zorkman> if it can't connecto to anything (which it never can here) you have to killall -9 python
Aug 29 18:37:51 <bumbl> lol
Aug 29 18:37:53 <Zorkman> wow
Aug 29 18:38:22 <Zorkman> whe nin uboot my ps3 suddenly detected a parrot ck3100 :) probably from someone nearby...
Aug 29 18:41:04 <Bill_> ok.. let's see if my fso build env works.. 
Aug 29 18:41:34 <Zorkman> I bet you five bugreports it wont :P
Aug 29 18:41:42 <Bill_> lol.. why so?
Aug 29 18:41:52 <AntonTakk> :-\
Aug 29 18:42:07 <Zorkman> I have the Sight
Aug 29 18:42:24 <AntonTakk> the default action in my case statement keeps running as well as what ever choice is made
Aug 29 18:42:40 <phrozen77> hm
Aug 29 18:42:41 <admiral0> Zorkman: lmao
Aug 29 18:42:52 <phrozen77> Zorkman, so, what do you think? OMBugsBot stay or OMBugsBot go?
Aug 29 18:43:12 <ieatlint> Dave, it's 95%+ done ... working really, more than stable enough to build a UI on it..
Aug 29 18:43:19 <ieatlint> and now i need to go start some laundry
Aug 29 18:43:21 <dolf1074> i vote for stay
Aug 29 18:43:30 <Zorkman> i vote stay
Aug 29 18:43:45 <phrozen77> OPINIONS OPINIONS
Aug 29 18:43:47 <phrozen77> :)
Aug 29 18:43:48 <Zorkman> ieatlint: congratz
Aug 29 18:43:52 <ieatlint> for i second i thought people were telling me to not do laundry
Aug 29 18:43:54 <ieatlint> :P
Aug 29 18:44:07 <phrozen77> ieatlint, do MOAR laundry
Aug 29 18:44:07 <admiral0> hi ieatlint
Aug 29 18:44:07 <Zorkman> :D
Aug 29 18:44:08 <phrozen77> :)
Aug 29 18:44:40 <Zorkman> i installed that stupid illume-config-illume (what's in a name?) to no avail
Aug 29 18:44:49 <ieatlint> hello
Aug 29 18:44:56 <phrozen77> ok
Aug 29 18:44:59 <Zorkman> but i have that matchbox keyboard installed, so i'll delete it first admiral0 and try again
Aug 29 18:44:59 <phrozen77> so it is stay then
Aug 29 18:45:11 <admiral0> ..
Aug 29 18:45:18 <admiral0> i told you it's useless
Aug 29 18:45:47 <Zorkman> yeah but my moko has good mojo (my eightball told me so) so I tried it
Aug 29 18:46:10 <doc|work> ljp: lpotter is qtopia.net down?
Aug 29 18:48:13 <admiral0> Zorkman: never trust 8ball. Last time one 8ball convinced me to install om-2008.08 first release
Aug 29 18:48:24 <phrozen77> lol
Aug 29 18:49:21 <admiral0> result:FAIL
Aug 29 18:49:39 <phrozen77> 2008.8 - now with moar fail
Aug 29 18:49:52 <retracile> 8ball: outlook not so good -- well, it got that one right...
Aug 29 18:51:24 <b0ib0t> The Purple Stargate Ball says:  That's what you get for dickin' around
Aug 29 18:52:37 <admiral0> :D
Aug 29 18:53:07 <bumbl> admiral0: nah; eightball can't be wrong
Aug 29 18:54:07 <admiral0> why is opkg so slow? my beard is getting long and white
Aug 29 18:55:52 <admiral0> the keyboard...
Aug 29 18:55:54 <admiral0> well. 
Aug 29 18:56:00 <admiral0> fuck it
Aug 29 18:56:05 <admiral0> i'm going out
Aug 29 18:56:08 <admiral0> bye
Aug 29 18:56:12 <Zorkman> bye
Aug 29 18:56:17 <Zorkman> take a usefull phone with you :p
Aug 29 18:56:35 <admiral0> (i have the qtopia kbd  :P)
Aug 29 18:56:48 <doc|work> how do you backspace with that?
Aug 29 18:56:57 <Zorkman> stroke from right to left
Aug 29 18:56:59 <bumbl> slide left to right
Aug 29 18:57:03 <doc|work> hmmm, didn't work for me
Aug 29 18:57:10 <doc|work> should try it with a stylus
Aug 29 18:57:12 <doc|work> oh, and space?
Aug 29 18:57:17 <doc|work> left to right?
Aug 29 18:57:31 <Zorkman> space is left to right, backspace right to left
Aug 29 18:57:41 <dolf1074> doc|work: backspace should better work with your finger
Aug 29 18:58:23 <doc|work> nope, nothing's happening on space
Aug 29 18:58:31 <doc|work> or backspace
Aug 29 18:59:08 <Zorkman> strange doc|work
Aug 29 18:59:17 <Zorkman> I currently have NO keyboard anymore :)
Aug 29 19:00:07 <Zorkman> raster, you there?
Aug 29 19:02:29 <retracile> Hm.  Starting a simple pygtk app seems to take a second or two on my FR.  Is that about what others are seeing?
Aug 29 19:02:39 <peepsalot> is there a way to update all packages in one step from the Om2008.8 gui installer?
Aug 29 19:02:54 <Zorkman> peepsalot: no, i added a bugreport on that one
Aug 29 19:02:58 <peepsalot> i haven't updated in weeks, and it would take me forever to do this one at a time
Aug 29 19:03:01 <peepsalot> argh
Aug 29 19:03:20 <Zorkman> peepsalot: why don't you use opkg ?
Aug 29 19:03:56 <peepsalot> what's that installer api or whatever called that the gui installer uses?
Aug 29 19:04:21 <peepsalot> can't remember the name at the moment
Aug 29 19:04:34 <Zorkman> assassin
Aug 29 19:04:40 <Torikun> How do you see your new programs on debian
Aug 29 19:04:56 <peepsalot> no, assassin runs on top of some generic installer backend
Aug 29 19:05:10 <Zorkman> opkg?
Aug 29 19:05:15 <UndrWater> Zorkman: isn't it exposure?
Aug 29 19:05:25 <Zorkman> exposure was the settings app I think
Aug 29 19:05:31 <Zorkman> (all those goth names... :))
Aug 29 19:05:32 <peepsalot> nope, it's a layer that goes between opkg and assassin
Aug 29 19:05:32 <UndrWater> i thought assassin was only the wifi thing
Aug 29 19:05:42 <Zorkman> UndrWater: that is diversity :)
Aug 29 19:05:52 <Zorkman> (i think :))
Aug 29 19:05:52 <UndrWater> ugh ;)
Aug 29 19:06:00 <Bill_> damn.. L7500 is just too bloody slow.. 
Aug 29 19:06:04 <peepsalot> Zorkman i can't use opkg now cause the middle layer still has administrative lock
Aug 29 19:06:22 <peepsalot> there is a command line tool for that middle layer, i just can't remember what it's called now
Aug 29 19:06:44 <Zorkman> packagekitd
Aug 29 19:06:48 <Zorkman> killall packagekitd
Aug 29 19:07:23 <Zorkman> (i win the prize? ^^)
Aug 29 19:07:58 * AntonTakk hands Zorkman a warm squishy object
Aug 29 19:07:58 <peepsalot> Zorkman, yeah that's the thing i'm thinking of.  an pkcon is the cli tool
Aug 29 19:08:09 <Bill_> Zorkman: not yet.. still builds.. just could be faster
Aug 29 19:08:39 <Zorkman> :)
Aug 29 19:08:48 <peepsalot> pkcon has nifty cli progress bars
Aug 29 19:10:01 <phrozen77> meh
Aug 29 19:10:10 <phrozen77> the room maid threw away my pizza leftovers
Aug 29 19:10:13 <phrozen77> :[
Aug 29 19:10:56 <UndrWater> those are the best parts...especially after they've had time to harden a bit ;)
Aug 29 19:11:05 <phrozen77> yeah
Aug 29 19:11:08 <phrozen77> i so should sue them
Aug 29 19:11:08 <phrozen77> :P
Aug 29 19:11:33 <peepsalot> wow, pkcon updated dropbear over ssh without dying
Aug 29 19:11:50 <peepsalot> how's that work
Aug 29 19:12:02 <peepsalot> or maybe it's not done yet...
Aug 29 19:14:29 <peepsalot> Zorkman you know the bug # for the gui update all request you made?
Aug 29 19:14:51 <Zorkman> lemme search
Aug 29 19:15:25 <peepsalot> Zorkman, nm i think i found it
Aug 29 19:15:27 <peepsalot> sorry
Aug 29 19:15:37 <peepsalot> 1893
Aug 29 19:16:05 <Zorkman> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1893
Aug 29 19:16:11 <Zorkman> ah i see
Aug 29 19:17:55 <peepsalot> hmm, updater seems to only download at about 50KiB/s seems a little slow
Aug 29 19:27:03 <b0ib0t> KICK ASS!!!
Aug 29 19:27:20 <b0ib0t> its almost the weekend!!!
Aug 29 19:27:28 <b0ib0t> its been a looooong week
Aug 29 19:28:03 <b0ib0t> a long hard week
Aug 29 19:28:07 <b0ib0t> a throbbing week
Aug 29 19:28:27 <peepsalot> no
Aug 29 19:28:27 <UndrWater> stop right there
Aug 29 19:28:35 <bumbl> not that hard and not longer than all the other weeks before
Aug 29 19:28:44 <b0ib0t> by that i mean throbbing headaches XD
Aug 29 19:28:55 <rooly> long hard throbbing headaches?
Aug 29 19:29:00 <b0ib0t> no
Aug 29 19:29:08 <b0ib0t> long hard weeks that cause throbbing headaches
Aug 29 19:29:14 <b0ib0t> ;]
Aug 29 19:29:35 <bumbl> what localtime b0ib0t? 15:29?
Aug 29 19:29:44 <rooly> this sounds like a job for TLC
Aug 29 19:30:00 <b0ib0t> yep 15:29
Aug 29 19:30:11 <peepsalot> bah, so much for pkcon:  The daemon crashed mid-transaction!
Aug 29 19:30:26 <rooly> btw,  has the timezone bug been fixed yet?
Aug 29 19:30:49 <bumbl> 21:30 here
Aug 29 19:30:55 <phrozen77> same
Aug 29 19:31:03 <rooly> 14:30
Aug 29 19:31:07 <bumbl> -> weekend has already started
Aug 29 19:31:14 <bumbl> for me
Aug 29 19:31:21 <b0ib0t> lucky
Aug 29 19:31:26 <rooly> me too
Aug 29 19:31:33 <rooly> friday august 29th, 2:30 pm
Aug 29 19:31:34 <peepsalot> is there anywhere i can look for a basic state of the union for openmoko softare, if I haven't been paying attention the past couple weeks.  the status of the most prominent bugs, etc?
Aug 29 19:31:39 <rooly> weekend started at 11:am
Aug 29 19:31:41 <b0ib0t> my freerunner still isnt here so i'm gonna take my scooter(as in motorscooter) on a 200mi cruise
Aug 29 19:31:47 <b0ib0t> to a hotel that has heated pools
Aug 29 19:31:50 <b0ib0t> ^^
Aug 29 19:31:54 <peepsalot> any major improvements lately?
Aug 29 19:32:11 <rooly> yeah, om2007 works like a champ, peepsalot
Aug 29 19:33:52 <peepsalot> rooly, better than 2008.8 for now?
Aug 29 19:33:58 <phrozen77> indeed
Aug 29 19:34:05 <peepsalot> what has changed lately?
Aug 29 19:34:05 <rooly> imo, yeah
Aug 29 19:34:24 <rooly> 2008 is still written almost entirely in python
Aug 29 19:34:35 <b0ib0t> what is qtopia written in?
Aug 29 19:34:41 <peepsalot> i like python :-D
Aug 29 19:34:50 <rooly> c, but it's slow due to the x11 port
Aug 29 19:35:00 <Ark1> +1 python
Aug 29 19:35:01 <b0ib0t> is 08 fast?
Aug 29 19:35:01 <peepsalot> b0ib0t, c++ mostly AFAIK
Aug 29 19:35:06 <rooly> no
Aug 29 19:35:09 <rooly> it's not
Aug 29 19:35:09 <b0ib0t> lmao
Aug 29 19:35:11 <b0ib0t> figures
Aug 29 19:35:18 <rooly> it's the absolute opposite of fast
Aug 29 19:35:20 <b0ib0t> i wouldnt want a vm running my wm
Aug 29 19:35:37 <peepsalot> rooly, last time i tried 2007 it was just as slow, felt slower actually
Aug 29 19:35:57 <peepsalot> at least menu in 2008 was at least somewhat responsive
Aug 29 19:36:21 <rooly> 2008 is better software, no doubt
Aug 29 19:36:45 <b0ib0t> i have coded a ui from the ground up in C, maybe i should turn it into a wm hehe
Aug 29 19:36:53 <rooly> but there are issues using it that i just can't accept
Aug 29 19:36:55 <b0ib0t> runs straight off framebuffer
Aug 29 19:37:24 <b0ib0t> i have no ideas how wms work or how they are designed though
Aug 29 19:37:42 <ecraven> b0ib0t: lot's of interfacing with X11
Aug 29 19:37:57 <ecraven> is tichy still being developed?
Aug 29 19:38:17 <rooly> iunno
Aug 29 19:38:23 <rooly> but irrth is about to start being developed
Aug 29 19:38:41 <b0ib0t> are there any websites or books that talk about designing wms?
Aug 29 19:39:47 <sicu> ecraven: in cdevel they were talking about tichy being built and added to the feed at 1500hrs gmt+1
Aug 29 19:39:58 <ecraven> sicu: thanks
Aug 29 19:40:07 <ecraven> b0ib0t: go get a simple one, read the source
Aug 29 19:40:18 <ecraven> there's also a bunch of inter-client communication protocols, ICCCM i think
Aug 29 19:41:42 <sicu> ecraven: btw, that was FSO feeds
Aug 29 19:42:06 <sicu> think they were talking about adding firefox too
Aug 29 19:42:07 <ecraven> yes, but so it's still alive and kicking :)
Aug 29 19:42:17 <sicu> indeed =)
Aug 29 19:42:59 <b0ib0t> ecraven, blackbox?
Aug 29 19:43:17 <rooly> minimo crashes
Aug 29 19:43:41 <ecraven> b0ib0t: yes, though maybe better an older version
Aug 29 19:43:59 <ecraven> b0ib0t: http://tronche.com/gui/x/icccm/
Aug 29 19:44:24 <ecraven> mainly the "client to window manager" part :)
Aug 29 19:44:41 <TeLLuS> Hi, any special reason we do not fix resolv.conf DNS in OM2008.8?   I added the missing files and changed the link make it work when I test it on the wireless..   Atleast one time.. because of the dhcp issue but that is probably my next issue..
Aug 29 19:44:56 <sol> what i would like to see on OM is the gui version os links
Aug 29 19:45:00 <sol> it works extremely quickly even on old systems
Aug 29 19:45:06 <sol> its not perfect but its great :D
Aug 29 19:45:29 <UndrWater> sol: i'm pretty sure it's in angstrom repo...i remember installing it
Aug 29 19:45:32 <sol> it seems to be pretty portable too...theres a DOS version even :D
Aug 29 19:45:33 <sol> ahhh
Aug 29 19:45:42 <sol> im using qtopia atm because i need some stability
Aug 29 19:45:50 <UndrWater> my turn: ahhh
Aug 29 19:46:03 <doc|work> does qtopia have a webbrowser? or gps/mapping app?
Aug 29 19:46:21 <UndrWater> i'm a stable person..not worries about using unfinished software ;)
Aug 29 19:46:28 <sol> doc|home; yes to both, but the web browsers are crappy, at least with what ive found
Aug 29 19:46:35 <UndrWater> doc|work: in 4.4
Aug 29 19:46:43 <doc|work> sol: ok, thanks
Aug 29 19:46:51 <UndrWater> "any time now"
Aug 29 19:46:54 * sol hits on a link 5 times
Aug 29 19:46:56 <doc|work> UndrWater: yeah :)
Aug 29 19:47:01 <sol> YAY i think its doing something!
Aug 29 19:47:03 <doc|work> qtopia.net dead too :/
Aug 29 19:47:07 <sol> heh
Aug 29 19:49:03 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1905: packagekit daemon crashing due to interactive pacakge install? ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1905 )
Aug 29 19:49:04 <peepsalot> is there anything flashing an image can give you that updating through opkg would not?
Aug 29 19:54:12 <wurp2|working> peepsalot: kernel updates?
Aug 29 19:54:56 <peepsalot> i'm pretty sure opkg can do kernel updates
Aug 29 19:55:02 <doc|work> I would hope so
Aug 29 19:55:13 <wurp2|working> Not last I heard
Aug 29 19:55:20 <wurp2|working> Admittedly, that was many weeks ago
Aug 29 19:55:23 <ieatlint> it can
Aug 29 19:55:48 <lpotter> flashing an image can give you a known workable state
Aug 29 19:56:01 <peepsalot> what the hell is diversity wifi supposed to do?  it just shows an expanding rectangle, and sometimes I see an AP in it.
Aug 29 19:56:02 <doc|work> lpotter: qtopia.net dead?
Aug 29 19:56:22 <lpotter> doc|work: apparently to most network traffic
Aug 29 19:56:39 <doc|work> ok, thanks
Aug 29 19:56:48 <lpotter> what did you need from it?
Aug 29 19:57:04 <doc|work> wasn't to install stuff, got wifi working and wanted to play
Aug 29 19:57:08 <doc|work> er, wanted
Aug 29 19:57:16 <lpotter> oh ok
Aug 29 19:57:24 * doc|work tries again s/wasn't/wanted
Aug 29 19:57:49 <doc|work> one last question, any updated eta on qtopia 4.4? :)
Aug 29 19:58:28 <lpotter> not that I can mention
Aug 29 19:58:33 <doc|work> ok, thanks
Aug 29 19:58:40 <wurp2|working> Looking at the chat logs, apparently since about 3 or 4 weeks ago opkg kernel updates have worked
Aug 29 20:03:42 <peepsalot> is diversity supposed to be able to connect to wifi, or just show a square with wifi access point names in it
Aug 29 20:09:22 <Zoup> How can i turn off the screen by shell ?
Aug 29 20:13:29 <Zoup> Zoup: echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/backlight/pcf50633-bl/bl_power 
Aug 29 20:15:06 * peepsalot looks at Zoup strangley
Aug 29 20:15:17 <peepsalot> strangely even
Aug 29 20:17:23 <sirkha_top> where are the .desktop files for the illume launcher kept? or are they?
Aug 29 20:20:22 <Zoup> peepsalot: hehe,  i have asked a question and answered myself :) 
Aug 29 20:22:45 <Zorkman> anybody knows something about bluetooth?
Aug 29 20:23:11 <Zorkman> I'm trying to get it to work with my ps3 but it always gives an error
Aug 29 20:23:28 <Zorkman> is there a log i can consult on the FR about what goes wrong?
Aug 29 20:26:52 <zedstar_> wot ya trying to do zorkman?
Aug 29 20:27:02 <Zorkman> just trying to get it to work :)
Aug 29 20:27:02 <UndrWater> distro-feed-configs ipk on FSO site gets arch complaint...anyone have a workaround?
Aug 29 20:27:11 <Zorkman> like use it as a bluetooth keyboard
Aug 29 20:27:37 <zedstar_> zorkman on a ps3?
Aug 29 20:27:42 <Zorkman> yes
Aug 29 20:27:49 <Zorkman> it detects the bluez (0)
Aug 29 20:28:00 <Zorkman> but when i try to connect with remoko it instantly gives an error
Aug 29 20:28:12 <UndrWater> need bluepin?
Aug 29 20:28:15 <zedstar_> zorkman the ps3 broadcast it name as bluez (0) /
Aug 29 20:28:16 <zedstar_> ?
Aug 29 20:28:17 <Zorkman> when i try to connect withouth remoko it shows a message for a split second and then gives an error
Aug 29 20:28:26 <Zorkman> no, the FR is bluez (0)
Aug 29 20:28:35 <Zorkman> i try to connect my FR to my PS3
Aug 29 20:28:37 <nyu> Zoup|Zzzzz: by killing X?
Aug 29 20:28:44 <Zorkman> to use the FR as bluetooth keyboard for example
Aug 29 20:28:51 <zedstar_> ah i see
Aug 29 20:29:02 <UndrWater> Zorkman: does the PS require a pin?
Aug 29 20:29:05 <Dave___> Hmm?
Aug 29 20:29:11 <Dave___> You get that working yet zorkman?
Aug 29 20:29:22 <zedstar_> the ps3 uses standard bluetooth for controllers and stuff?
Aug 29 20:29:39 <Zorkman> UndrWater: When using remoko it doesn't promt me, but when I don't start remoko it does give me a number
Aug 29 20:29:52 <Zorkman> (but it's too fast to read, i only could read the message once while i was rebooting the phone)
Aug 29 20:30:24 <Zorkman> zedstar_: I think it does, there is a menu entry to pair a bluetooth device
Aug 29 20:31:13 <Zorkman> it specifically sites "devices such as headsets, keyboards or mice" those are things remoko can emulate.. (exept the headset)
Aug 29 20:31:56 <Zorkman> once again: I'm shutting down the phone and in this case the PAss Key stays shown aand it does not display an error
Aug 29 20:32:00 <zedstar_> im amazed sony used anything standard!
Aug 29 20:32:12 <Zorkman> you can also use standard usb keyboard or mouse
Aug 29 20:32:25 <Zorkman> or replace the hd with a standard laptop hd
Aug 29 20:32:54 <Zorkman> anyway, it's not very important to me
Aug 29 20:32:58 <Tronic> Sony used USB in PS2!
Aug 29 20:33:00 <Zorkman> but connecting the ps3 controller to the FR is :)
Aug 29 20:34:40 <harnir> hi again :-)
Aug 29 20:34:47 <Zorkman> hi
Aug 29 20:34:59 <harnir> it's that crazy Pole ;-)
Aug 29 20:35:44 <Zorkman> I lost my keyboard
Aug 29 20:35:48 <Zorkman> probably stolen by a pole :p
Aug 29 20:35:59 <Zorkman> (one of the prejudices in my country ;-))
Aug 29 20:36:12 <harnir> Zorkman: which is?
Aug 29 20:36:17 <CM> Zorkman: A ten foot pole?
Aug 29 20:36:25 <Zorkman> poles (and east europeans in general) steal things :)
Aug 29 20:36:37 <Zorkman> mind you: I said a prejudice, it's not something i agree with
Aug 29 20:36:40 <harnir> any way to restore sound after suspend from the command line?
Aug 29 20:36:45 <CM> THe prejdices we have in Sweden is that the polish truck drivers always have beer to sell
Aug 29 20:36:52 <Zorkman> :D
Aug 29 20:36:57 <phrozen77> lol
Aug 29 20:36:58 <CM> (Not sure it's a prejudice though, they always do)
Aug 29 20:36:59 <Zorkman> that your own fault for being so damn expensive
Aug 29 20:37:05 <CM> Hehe, oh yes
Aug 29 20:37:08 <Zorkman> that's called a fact :)
Aug 29 20:37:11 <zedstar_> in london if u want a builder the poles are the best!
Aug 29 20:37:22 <CM> Same here
Aug 29 20:37:32 <Zorkman> in my town I also hear a lot of polish on construction yards :)
Aug 29 20:37:35 <CM> It's a nice country to visit too :)
Aug 29 20:37:36 <Zorkman> mostly after normal hours though :p
Aug 29 20:38:42 <Zorkman> goddamn bluetooth!
Aug 29 20:38:58 <Zorkman> notooth or blueeye would be a better name
Aug 29 20:39:11 <zedstar_> i wanna plot bluetooth names on google maps!
Aug 29 20:39:19 <zedstar_> log the coordinates of the devices seen
Aug 29 20:39:23 <harnir> I think I have even better one ;-)
Aug 29 20:39:32 <iperry> does anybody know which app captures the aux keypresses? I can see the dbus events getting dispatched but don't know which program is responsible for handling it. i want to hijack it to do what i want.
Aug 29 20:40:02 <zedstar_> see which country has the most offensive bluetooth names
Aug 29 20:40:35 <Zorkman> :)
Aug 29 20:40:45 <zedstar_> UK would win !
Aug 29 20:40:46 <Dave> booooooooooooooo
Aug 29 20:41:06 <UndrWater> harnir: amen!!  let us know if you have any luck!
Aug 29 20:41:35 <Dave> hmm?
Aug 29 20:41:38 <Dave> What's going on now?
Aug 29 20:41:55 <zedstar_> we going dogging Dave wanna come?
Aug 29 20:42:00 <CM> zedstar_: If you have some time, listen to this podcast: http://fora.tv/media/rss/Long_Now_Podcasts/podcast-2008-08-08-suarez.mp3
Aug 29 20:42:16 <CM> zedstar_: It's about that. Logging coordinates of people at all times
Aug 29 20:42:18 <CM> :)
Aug 29 20:42:33 <CM> And more stuff. Bots in general. Really interesting :)
Aug 29 20:42:44 <zedstar_> CM cool....thanks
Aug 29 20:42:55 * CM needs to get that book, Daemon
Aug 29 20:44:22 <Torikun> http://rusher.webhop.org:69/wordpress/?page_id=116  <--The Linux and Open Source Technology Podcast
Aug 29 20:44:59 <Zorkman> Dave: it's raster's last day @openmoko, shouldn't we host a party? :)
Aug 29 20:45:32 <Zorkman> altough I don't know if he likes IRC beer...
Aug 29 20:46:00 <zedstar_> im on the beers
Aug 29 20:47:23 <Torikun> 8================D   Uh oh here I come
Aug 29 20:47:24 <Chox> bitches+dave+bbq
Aug 29 20:47:24 <Torikun> lol
Aug 29 20:48:02 <Zorkman> yay, Chow is taking a break from his eternal bbq of the wtf mind
Aug 29 20:48:36 <Zorkman> Chox I've been typing too many gramatical and spelling errors while you were bbq'ing :)
Aug 29 20:51:45 <jucs> Hey ;-)
Aug 29 20:52:08 <UndrWater> anyone here running fso?
Aug 29 20:52:45 <Torikun> anyone here take calls?
Aug 29 20:53:02 <nyu> calls?  in a phone?
Aug 29 20:53:05 <Zorkman> I can take calls, but don't use my SIM with the FR
Aug 29 20:53:13 <nyu> you gotta be kidding.  a phone is just for playing wesnoth
Aug 29 20:53:16 <Zorkman> not always thoug (re-registerein on 2007.2)
Aug 29 20:53:28 <Zorkman> goddamn you nyu :)
Aug 29 20:53:33 <Zorkman> does it play smooth btw?
Aug 29 20:53:39 <Zorkman> long loading times I presume
Aug 29 20:53:41 <zedstar_> dont make out u know people that might call u ;)
Aug 29 20:53:44 <nyu> it plays smooth, but it doesn't load smooth
Aug 29 20:54:05 <nyu> and buttons are slow to respond
Aug 29 20:54:11 <nyu> OTOH, warriors are not!
Aug 29 20:54:30 <Zorkman> nyu: I heard it will all become better once you make an ipk for FSO/2007.2/2008.8 ;-P
Aug 29 20:55:00 <nyu> nah I'll debian-ize everything else eventually ;-)
Aug 29 20:55:16 <nyu> I spotted a small bug with the tinygui build option
Aug 29 20:55:49 <Zorkman> grr i hate not being able to set 2008.8 to double tap
Aug 29 20:55:56 <nyu> some images are scaled down unnecessarily
Aug 29 20:57:19 <Dave> DOUBLE TAP!
Aug 29 20:58:40 <malik1972> Zorkman: is there a right click available in 2008.8?
Aug 29 20:58:52 <Zorkman> not that i know of...
Aug 29 20:59:00 <Torikun> ok, the battery on the free runner really sucks
Aug 29 20:59:02 <Zorkman> there is a modified tslib for debian i think
Aug 29 20:59:13 <Zorkman> Torikun: no, the FR sucks the battery
Aug 29 20:59:17 <Torikun> ah
Aug 29 20:59:19 <Torikun> my bad =)
Aug 29 20:59:22 <soltys> ;>
Aug 29 20:59:30 <Torikun> In soviet russia, freerunners suck you@
Aug 29 20:59:52 <Zorkman> i wouldn't risk it with all those bugs.. you probably will catch 27 awfull deseases
Aug 29 21:00:16 <Zorkman> damned, should have typed catch 22 awfull deseases :)
Aug 29 21:00:53 <retracile> Is 2008.8 using matchbox for the window manager?
Aug 29 21:02:48 <malik1972> Zorkman: yes, i use the debian tslib since two weeks
Aug 29 21:05:55 <spydon> what is the package name for Kobo Deluxe?
Aug 29 21:06:21 <spydon> oh found it :p
Aug 29 21:19:11 <harnir> ok, I need a suggestion about keyboard
Aug 29 21:19:43 <harnir> I've made a specific "mode" for entering numbers, IP addresses, MAC addresses, and so on
Aug 29 21:20:03 <harnir> tell me if there are good chars on it, or I should change somethig
Aug 29 21:20:35 <harnir> it's here: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/3578b264452b37b4182dc928effd437a.png
Aug 29 21:25:40 <retracile> harnir: what is the underlying keyboard you're using?
Aug 29 21:25:42 <spydon> harnir, looks good to me
Aug 29 21:25:56 <spydon> probably the matchbox keyboard
Aug 29 21:26:38 <harnir> matchbox-keyboard
Aug 29 21:26:44 <harnir> I want it white on black...
Aug 29 21:26:53 <retracile> spydon: that's what I expect, but wanted to check... and see if there was a good document describing how to create those.
Aug 29 21:27:10 * retracile wants a jumpx style mode
Aug 29 21:27:14 <harnir> retracile: there's good README file in Debian package
Aug 29 21:28:25 * retracile starts reading
Aug 29 21:28:32 <retracile> thanks, harnir
Aug 29 21:29:00 <harnir> yw
Aug 29 21:29:52 <harnir> spydon: any extra or not needed chars you would think of on this "numeric" keyboard?
Aug 29 21:30:49 <spydon> harnir, maybe &
Aug 29 21:30:55 <retracile> harnir: how do you switch modes on the kbd?
Aug 29 21:31:10 <harnir> retracile: lower left key, <=>
Aug 29 21:31:34 <harnir> spydon: will do
Aug 29 21:31:47 <retracile> Hrm... I don't see one of those on the default layout... uh...
Aug 29 21:32:07 <spydon> harnir, I dont think I will use the & but maybe someone else :P
Aug 29 21:32:10 <harnir> retracile: it's not default :-)
Aug 29 21:32:59 <harnir> retracile: more images of my keyboard:
Aug 29 21:33:28 <harnir> default mode, text writing: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/af290fcacab29dbe389488971209dcf7.png
Aug 29 21:33:41 <harnir> def mode, big letters: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/50788cd7e4a471ed24fb175f512a8318.png
Aug 29 21:34:01 <harnir> def mode, misc chars: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/17ee6c66623eeacbe6e07d5eda639447.png
Aug 29 21:35:26 <harnir> check out ^[ on the default keyboard - it's Esc, so you can use vim. ;-)
Aug 29 21:35:47 <retracile> harnir: cool.  Are you retaining the qwerty layout as well?
Aug 29 21:35:52 <harnir> ^C is of course Control, so you can do Ctrl+C in terminal, or kill line - Ctrl+U
Aug 29 21:36:05 <harnir> retracile: it's on the default layout
Aug 29 21:36:56 <harnir> retracile: full keyboard (as in default matchbox layout) is too small IMO on FR screen.
Aug 29 21:37:20 <harnir> my version can be used with fingers, but I still prefer stylus
Aug 29 21:37:36 <harnir> and you have full 101 keyboard in there anyway
Aug 29 21:38:20 <alx___> harnir: your version? (sorry, just joined, missed the beginning)
Aug 29 21:38:39 <harnir> OK, I'll go now and make a page about it
Aug 29 21:38:48 <alx___> thanks :)
Aug 29 21:39:11 <harnir> alx___: my version of matchbox-keyboard
Aug 29 21:39:45 <darkjames> Hi.
Aug 29 21:40:50 <retracile> harnir: I'm still trying to understand how you switch modes... the <=> key doesn't exist on my keyboard.  I see keyboard-extended.xml in the /usr/share/matchbox-keyboard directory for instance.  Is that accessible somehow?
Aug 29 21:41:27 <TeXitoi> retracile: by a command line option
Aug 29 21:41:41 <harnir> retracile: do you know "finger" keyboard layout?
Aug 29 21:42:06 <TeXitoi> retracile: matchbox-keyboard extended
Aug 29 21:42:25 <TeXitoi> retracile: but do not test, it's not usable ;-)
Aug 29 21:42:57 <retracile> heh, TeXitoi, got a microscope handy? ;)
Aug 29 21:43:41 <retracile> Ok, so harnir, how are you implementing multiple keyboard modes?
Aug 29 21:44:31 <harnir> retracile: moment
Aug 29 21:46:48 <harnir> I took basic keyboard from here: http://atariland.net/~dreilly/openmoko/
Aug 29 21:46:55 <harnir> and modified the layout
Aug 29 21:46:58 <Dave> retraciles!
Aug 29 21:47:04 <retracile> Daves!
Aug 29 21:47:18 <Dave> :)
Aug 29 21:47:32 <Dave> micro keyboard layouts?
Aug 29 21:47:33 <Dave> pssh
Aug 29 21:47:41 <Dave> Something realistic might be nice :)
Aug 29 21:47:42 <Zorkman> Whiskey!
Aug 29 21:48:26 <harnir> Dave: that's what I'm doing
Aug 29 21:48:47 <harnir> ~dreilly's keyboard isn't very nice in a terminal environment
Aug 29 21:48:55 <harnir> it's good for writing SMS
Aug 29 21:48:58 <Dave> raster 4 lyfe, yo
Aug 29 21:48:59 <harnir> but nothing more
Aug 29 21:53:28 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke * r7e96fcc1ca96 10/src/tests/pdutest/pdutest.pro: [buildfix] Attempt to get qtestlib build for the target of pdutest...
Aug 29 21:53:29 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke * r23612e6f1af3 10/src/general.pri: [buildfix] Make sure the build succeeds and remove the unit tests
Aug 29 21:54:10 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1906: Duplicate SMS in inbox ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1906 )
Aug 29 21:54:34 <roh>  .oO(whats bugsbug?!)
Aug 29 21:54:51 <Zorkman> :)
Aug 29 21:54:56 <Zorkman> you like our bugsbunny?
Aug 29 21:55:38 <roh> nah.. just wondering where it gets its informations.. rss i assume?
Aug 29 21:56:54 <Dave> roh :)
Aug 29 21:56:56 <retracile> harnir: Ahhh... I think the key bit of info I didn't have was the 'modifier:layout' thing, and the <layout></layout> tags.
Aug 29 21:57:41 <harnir> retracile: I guess... ;-)
Aug 29 21:58:04 <Dave> retracile, breaking keyboards are we?
Aug 29 21:58:29 <retracile> Dave: about to try.  Recall my comments about wanting to customize my keyboard? :)
Aug 29 21:58:43 <Dave> :D
Aug 29 21:58:46 * Dave ducks for cover
Aug 29 21:59:14 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rc44d79a1a47d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to hopefully fix the cross build
Aug 29 22:00:24 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r639fe5463162 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to hopefully fix the cross build
Aug 29 22:00:33 <Zorkman> "sane-srcrevs.inc: " wonder if there is also an insane-srcrevs.inc"
Aug 29 22:06:59 <retracile> harnir: what version of matchbox-keyboard are you using?
Aug 29 22:07:33 <harnir> retracile: 0.1
Aug 29 22:08:05 <retracile> Hm.  Ok.  I'm getting a parse error when I try to add the "modifier:layout" bit.
Aug 29 22:08:33 <harnir> retracile: moment
Aug 29 22:09:16 <harnir> retracile: install this: http://atariland.net/~dreilly/openmoko/matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod_0.1-finger_armv4t.ipk
Aug 29 22:10:13 <retracile> harnir: I'm on debian; not sure that'll help much...
Aug 29 22:10:35 <edistar> retracile: check the debian bugzilla
Aug 29 22:10:40 <edistar> retracile: afaik there is a known bug
Aug 29 22:10:55 <retracile> edistar: oh goody.
Aug 29 22:11:06 <harnir> retracile: can't help you then, I have 2007.2
Aug 29 22:14:54 <peepsalot> hmm, if I boot a kernel and os from sd, will it update the kernel in the correct location through opkg?
Aug 29 22:16:15 <edistar> peepsalot: it should, yes
Aug 29 22:16:52 <Zorkman> edistar, peepsalot: sometimes strange things happen
Aug 29 22:17:12 <peepsalot> hmm, well i guess I'll see what happens.  i'm updating my 2007.2 partition
Aug 29 22:17:16 <retracile> hm.  Looks like maybe it should be action="layout:whatever" ... at least, I don't get a parse error that way.
Aug 29 22:17:19 <Zorkman> It happend 2 times to me that when i opkg upgraded my 2008.8 on SD that when booting my 2007.2 i had another kernel
Aug 29 22:17:23 <retracile> But I'm out of time, catch y'all later.
Aug 29 22:17:30 <Zorkman> bye
Aug 29 22:18:02 <edistar> bye
Aug 29 22:19:09 <harnir> bye
Aug 29 22:22:55 <UndrWater> how does fso get gps going?
Aug 29 22:25:45 <Bill_> Zorkman: i owe you 5 bug reports :)
Aug 29 22:26:02 <Zorkman> :-DD
Aug 29 22:26:08 <Zorkman> make haste ;-)
Aug 29 22:26:23 <Zorkman> serious: too bad it didn't build :(
Aug 29 22:26:42 <Bill_> linux-libc-headers-dbg
Aug 29 22:26:43 <Bill_> *** Error: Package name  contains illegal characters, (other than [a-z0-9.+-])
Aug 29 22:26:59 <Bill_> as in wtf
Aug 29 22:27:11 <paroneayea> wtf would be legal characters :)
Aug 29 22:27:19 <Bill_> exactly
Aug 29 22:27:51 <SpeedEvil> par: [a-z0-9.+-]
Aug 29 22:28:33 <Bill_> SpeedEvil: poing out an illegal char in "linux-libc-headers-dbg"
Aug 29 22:30:05 <mjr> me guesses there's a funky unicode dash there somewhere
Aug 29 22:30:17 <Bill_> prolly
Aug 29 22:30:35 <Bill_> 'cause everything up to that point build nicely
Aug 29 22:31:11 <Bill_> and mesa after that compiled too
Aug 29 22:33:05 * SpeedEvil poings.
Aug 29 22:33:23 <Bill_> yupyup
Aug 29 22:33:54 <Bill_> but as i ran out of wine then i leave it for another night to figure out
Aug 29 22:37:23 <UndrWater> grrr...opkg segfaulting
Aug 29 22:37:40 <Zorkman> segfaulting seems to be "in" this week
Aug 29 22:38:30 <Bill_> i wish i could've had it that far...
Aug 29 22:39:00 <peepsalot> man, trying to play some of these games, like pegs for example, is excruciating
Aug 29 22:39:43 <peepsalot> or untangle, etc
Aug 29 22:51:41 <Bill_> i wonder if that vuild failed because of my "et_EE.UTF-8" locale added to glibc locales.. as glibc build failed aswell
Aug 29 22:58:04 <bricode_>  /me builds the entire OM stack.
Aug 29 22:59:12 <edistar> bricode_: hf
Aug 29 23:02:03 <Dave> :)
Aug 29 23:02:08 <Dave> been there, done that.
Aug 29 23:02:24 <Dave> retracile, you require additional openmoko games!
Aug 29 23:02:52 * Tig| boggles
Aug 29 23:03:28 * Dave goggles
Aug 29 23:04:10 * Tig| googles but his freerunner is still in a state of variously broken :)
Aug 29 23:04:28 <Dave> Same as your English, it would seem.
Aug 29 23:04:33 <Dave> ;)
Aug 29 23:04:38 <bricode_> Dave: You're such a rockstar :)
Aug 29 23:04:49 <Dave> Guilty as charged ;)
Aug 29 23:04:58 <Zorkman> Dave has his own band, he's quite famous in jersey
Aug 29 23:05:40 <swc|666> jersey ftl
Aug 29 23:05:56 <Zorkman> it's a nice island
Aug 29 23:06:20 <swc|666> prolly the most decrepit place on earth... next to b'more
Aug 29 23:06:21 <Tig|>  Dave I think you will find with careful assessment that my comment is actually and grammatically correct.
Aug 29 23:10:12 <Tig|> anyway, should I stick with the FSO or flip back to the ASU 
Aug 29 23:10:30 <Zorkman> what's wrong with FSO at the moment?
Aug 29 23:10:31 <Tig|> given up using it day to day at the moment
Aug 29 23:11:07 <Tig|> Zorkman: I broke it so reflashed and thought I would give the ASU a try :)
Aug 29 23:11:09 <UndrWater> i'm trying fso...but opkg keeps segfaulting :(
Aug 29 23:11:38 <Tig|> UndrWater: is this after adding new feeds?
Aug 29 23:11:52 <UndrWater> Tig|: yes
Aug 29 23:11:57 <Tig|> hmmm 
Aug 29 23:12:33 <UndrWater> well...the "testing" from bearstech
Aug 29 23:12:41 <UndrWater> that's the only feed
Aug 29 23:13:01 <Tig|> might have done the same thing but I did  it on an image where I was less than careful of where packages were coming from
Aug 29 23:13:27 <UndrWater> Tig|: experiencing similar?
Aug 29 23:13:27 <Tig|> but then I added the bearstech feeds and they blew ujp for me too
Aug 29 23:13:55 <UndrWater> i figured bearstech was "good"
Aug 29 23:14:34 <Tig|> I reflashed as I did not have a clean image but it does sound like there is a duff package in the bearsteck maching at the moment
Aug 29 23:15:50 <Tig|> UndrWater: usually it probably will be but it is building stuff without human checks
Aug 29 23:15:50 <UndrWater> Tig|: how did you know you had a "dirty" image?
Aug 29 23:16:14 <UndrWater> autobuild?
Aug 29 23:16:55 <Tig|> UndrWater: simple I had polluted it by shoving the packages I wanted from any old machine :)
Aug 29 23:18:30 <Tig|> UndrWater: various people have added software from the bearstech buildhost  without problems.  I was not one of them ut they may be around later :)
Aug 29 23:18:55 <Tig|> it is likely I did not add the feed correctly
Aug 29 23:19:39 <UndrWater> hmm...i made the mistake of removing the arch.conf from /etc/opkg
Aug 29 23:20:04 <UndrWater> i was removing those "my-repository" entries in there
Aug 29 23:25:03 <Zorkman> anybody seen http://pyneo.org/ ?
Aug 29 23:25:35 <emdete> Zorkman: what's with it ;)
Aug 29 23:26:35 <Zorkman> i hadn't seen it
Aug 29 23:26:43 <CVirus> interesting
Aug 29 23:29:07 <Zorkman> yes it is
Aug 29 23:30:08 <Zorkman> they even have t-shirts :)
Aug 29 23:31:07 <UndrWater> there are a few of those random distro sites out there...
Aug 29 23:31:52 <emdete> UndrWater: what do you mean with "random distro sites"?
Aug 29 23:32:33 <Zorkman> it seems a big effort but i never saw anything about it, strange...
Aug 29 23:33:29 <emdete> Zorkman: you saw, fso is in fact a copy of it. pyneo is the place where gsm0710muxd is founded & maintained
Aug 29 23:34:12 <Yanroy> hi all
Aug 29 23:34:50 <Yanroy> how do I get daily releases of 2008.8 in my opkg feeds?  This ML post that supposedly explains it isn't even close to comprehensible english: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/027997.html
Aug 29 23:34:57 <Yanroy> and the wiki just tells you to read it, rather than having a summary
Aug 29 23:35:19 <UndrWater> emdete: some "forks" of the distros for OM i suppose
Aug 29 23:35:24 <Yanroy> I don't know if I want testing or what, and the wiki also has you create a repo file for a bunch of different architectures and stuff... very odd
Aug 29 23:35:32 <Yanroy> I'm happy to update the wiki if someone can set me straight
Aug 29 23:35:39 <emdete> UndrWater: pyneo ist neither a fork nor a distro
Aug 29 23:36:24 <abraxa_> It's comparable to FSO - only better
Aug 29 23:37:22 <Yanroy> so, do I take silence to mean no one has functioning dailies on 2008.8?
Aug 29 23:38:14 * chillywilly just bought a 3G iPhone and feels like a traitor ;)
Aug 29 23:38:16 <chillywilly> I hope my new SIM will work in my freerunner
Aug 29 23:38:18 <chillywilly> :-/
Aug 29 23:38:40 * chillywilly is surfing openmoko.org with an iPhone
Aug 29 23:38:42 <swc|666> iphone sims won't work
Aug 29 23:38:53 <chillywilly> oh well that sorta blows then
Aug 29 23:39:00 <swc|666> what provider?
Aug 29 23:39:04 <chillywilly> AT&T
Aug 29 23:39:10 <jucs> chillywilly, shame on you!
Aug 29 23:39:13 <swc|666> at&t is super cool with replacing it
Aug 29 23:39:18 <chillywilly> oh?
Aug 29 23:39:36 <swc|666> yep.. jus ttell'm u have a new phone and need a compatible sim...
Aug 29 23:39:48 <jucs> You've just sponsored bondage...
Aug 29 23:39:51 <chillywilly> anyone have a second line for their freerunner?
Aug 29 23:40:03 <swc|666> they ask for your #, then barcode scan it for free
Aug 29 23:40:06 <chillywilly> yea well at least bondage works
Aug 29 23:40:08 <jucs> a second line?
Aug 29 23:40:24 <chillywilly> I was using the freerunner with qtopia for a while
Aug 29 23:40:56 <jucs> So?
Aug 29 23:41:05 <chillywilly> and now I see they just released things and fixed the voicemail garbled SMS message
Aug 29 23:41:08 <Zorkman> emdete, abraxa_, why is there no info about it on the wiki?
Aug 29 23:41:20 <Zorkman> wouldn't it be better if more people knew about it/helped out?
Aug 29 23:41:41 <abraxa_> Zorkman: Cause it's not useful enough yet, I'm afraid. When there's a GUI, it'll be made public I think
Aug 29 23:41:46 <UndrWater> emdete: looks like...
Aug 29 23:41:51 <jucs> @swc|666: iPhone sims do not need to work...
Aug 29 23:42:06 <UndrWater> pyneo is neither a fork nor a distro...discuss!
Aug 29 23:42:36 <Yanroy> so, is there a touchscreen calibrator app for 2008.8?
Aug 29 23:42:40 <emdete> UndrWater: its a sw stack. compare it with android ;)
Aug 29 23:42:53 <Zorkman> abraxa_: i think i once saw a video of the pyneo logo using accelerometers
Aug 29 23:43:18 <emdete> Zorkman: do u have a url?
Aug 29 23:43:25 <Zorkman> and I was the logo also on neo1973-germany.de
Aug 29 23:43:39 <Zorkman> emdete: no..I'll try to search but I don't think i will be able to find it again
Aug 29 23:43:50 <jucs> Zorkman: German?
Aug 29 23:44:11 <Zorkman> nein, ich bin keine deutscher:)
Aug 29 23:44:21 <Zorkman> -er :)
Aug 29 23:44:21 <jucs> Ah, okay :-P
Aug 29 23:44:37 <jucs> (2008-08-30 01:44:11) Zorkman: nein, ich bin kein deutscher:) <- like this ;-)
Aug 29 23:45:02 <UndrWater> emdete: ahh...ok...that looks like distro to me ;)...but i see your point
Aug 29 23:45:02 <Zorkman> found it!
Aug 29 23:45:18 <edistar> Zorkman: dutch-speaking, even!
Aug 29 23:45:35 <Zorkman> emdete: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5QMW8k5nis
Aug 29 23:45:46 <emdete> UndrWater: distro for me is a software collection while a stack is a part of it
Aug 29 23:45:47 <Zorkman> jup, dutch speaking :)
Aug 29 23:46:32 <edistar> on a qtopia stack..
Aug 29 23:46:40 <emdete> no, thats the original om logo
Aug 29 23:46:48 <Zorkman> damn :)
Aug 29 23:46:53 <emdete> but nice! wow!
Aug 29 23:47:28 <emdete> but in the beginning there is the debian logo as background
Aug 29 23:48:24 <Zorkman> anyway, i'm off now. I'm glad I found out about pyneo :)
Aug 29 23:48:39 <Zorkman> keep up the good work guys :)
Aug 29 23:51:31 <edistar> ZzzzZzzZzzorkman: cu
Aug 30 00:06:06 <Dave> :)
Aug 30 00:06:13 <Dave> edistar: cu -l
Aug 30 00:06:34 <zash> cu -l /dev/ttySOMETHING
Aug 30 00:06:36 <b0ib0t> nice youtube :)
Aug 30 00:06:59 <b0ib0t> i just watched a "trainwreck" vid... guy was dissin frerunner hard
Aug 30 00:07:07 <neolynx> cu -l gives me a permission denied
Aug 30 00:07:11 <neolynx> but minicom works
Aug 30 00:07:20 <Dave> lawl
Aug 30 00:07:26 <edistar> b0ib0t: yeah, ignore
Aug 30 00:07:26 <Dave> neolynx: chown it!
Aug 30 00:07:34 <edistar> b0ib0t: it's on the ml
Aug 30 00:08:23 <b0ib0t> edistar, ml?
Aug 30 00:08:48 <edistar> b0ib0t: mailinglist
Aug 30 00:08:52 <b0ib0t> ah
Aug 30 00:08:58 <b0ib0t> he was lame
Aug 30 00:09:00 <neolynx> Dave: permission denied: line in use
Aug 30 00:09:20 <b0ib0t> the accelerometer vid pwns thoguh
Aug 30 00:09:23 <b0ib0t> though*
Aug 30 00:10:37 <Dave> neolynx are you actually trying to use cu, or just blindly doing what I tell you? :P
Aug 30 00:10:48 <b0ib0t> anybody know of an open source car?
Aug 30 00:10:49 <edistar> Dave: have more faith
Aug 30 00:10:54 <Dave> :)
Aug 30 00:10:59 <paroneayea> an open source car?
Aug 30 00:11:03 <Dave> boibot, that sounds like MEGAFAIL
Aug 30 00:11:09 <b0ib0t> lmao
Aug 30 00:11:13 <Dave> cardboard that falls apart
Aug 30 00:11:25 <b0ib0t> there is somethign that is close
Aug 30 00:11:26 <b0ib0t> locost
Aug 30 00:11:31 <neolynx> Dave: well, I just joined, and saw you talking about cu, and after having tryied for some hours now, I thought to ask a question
Aug 30 00:11:33 <Dave> lollercaust?
Aug 30 00:11:37 <b0ib0t> search amazon for locost car
Aug 30 00:11:40 <Dave> Ah okay
Aug 30 00:11:42 <b0ib0t> or "build your own locost"
Aug 30 00:11:46 <paroneayea> bikes are lowcost and open source ;)
Aug 30 00:11:52 <b0ib0t> lotus super 7 clone
Aug 30 00:12:10 <Dave> Neolynx, you know if you're actually trying to use cu with the bootloader, etc, try doing chown uucp:uucp /dev/ACM0
Aug 30 00:12:20 <Dave> the as root cu -l /dev/ACM0 :)
Aug 30 00:12:31 <Dave> if you haven't already been through that whole procedure :)
Aug 30 00:13:13 <neolynx> Dave: my fault, I was trying with the gsm, sorry
Aug 30 00:13:21 <Dave> heehee
Aug 30 00:13:24 <Dave> :)
Aug 30 00:14:05 <neolynx> which doesn't work anymore :/
Aug 30 00:17:48 <Dave> uh oh
Aug 30 00:18:21 <paroneayea> so, is the neo 1973's driver alsa based?
Aug 30 00:18:24 <paroneayea> er
Aug 30 00:18:26 <paroneayea> audio driver
Aug 30 00:20:09 * Dave shrugs
Aug 30 00:20:13 <lpotter> yes
Aug 30 00:20:14 <Dave> look at the wiki wiki wiki
Aug 30 00:20:19 <Dave> :)
Aug 30 00:20:25 <Dave> Good evening Mister Potter
Aug 30 00:20:48 <b0ib0t> Mr. Potter?
Aug 30 00:21:51 <edistar> b0ib0t: lorn potter, yes
Aug 30 00:22:09 <paroneayea> yeah, I'm looking at the wiki.  Sorry if I'm being annoying... still struggling to figure out *why* there's no audio on my neo in debian
Aug 30 00:22:47 <b0ib0t> edistar, kewl =]
Aug 30 00:23:06 <nyu> porn lotter?
Aug 30 00:23:12 <b0ib0t> omgroflol
Aug 30 00:24:55 <lloyd_fedora> installed illume-config on the new 2008.8 update .. but it does not show the wrench in the top bar ?
Aug 30 00:25:30 <Yanroy> lloyd_fedora: did you reboot and/or restart X?
Aug 30 00:25:47 <Dave> restartx
Aug 30 00:27:38 <lloyd_fedora> Yanroy: yes .. reboot
Aug 30 00:29:47 <CVirus> how fast/responsive is ASU ?
Aug 30 00:29:55 <jucs> Good night @all!
Aug 30 00:31:30 <lloyd_fedora> CVirus: 2008.8 ???
Aug 30 00:32:01 <edistar> CVirus: bearable
Aug 30 00:32:18 <edistar> the qtopia on x11 apps make it slow
Aug 30 00:32:59 <lpotter> qtopia on x11 is unoptimized, unsupported and undeveloped :)
Aug 30 00:33:24 <Dave> UNBEARABLE
Aug 30 00:33:33 <Dave> ASU is full of bears?
Aug 30 00:34:50 <edistar> of course
Aug 30 00:34:58 <Dave> :p
Aug 30 00:35:06 <SpeedEvil> OMG! 
Aug 30 00:35:10 <SpeedEvil> It's full of stars!
Aug 30 00:35:12 <edistar> lpotter: that's why I mentioned 'on x11' :)
Aug 30 00:35:13 <Dave> zergrush!
Aug 30 00:35:17 <edistar> qtopia itself is fast
Aug 30 00:35:49 <Yanroy> I consider ASU to be smoothly animating and acceptably responsive
Aug 30 00:36:01 <Yanroy> launching apps is a little slow like in 2007.2, but once they're running, they're pretty good
Aug 30 00:36:24 <Yanroy> I've been using it as my daily phone since it came out
Aug 30 00:36:47 <Yanroy> to the best of my knowledge, I haven't had any missed calls or anything go wrong :)  seems to be a working phone
Aug 30 00:37:56 * Yanroy wonders if anyone has developed an app that will go get him a beer
Aug 30 00:38:10 <mmontour> ~beer Yanroy
Aug 30 00:38:11 * apt pulls out a excellent Yuengling Lager for Yanroy
Aug 30 00:38:17 <Yanroy> wow
Aug 30 00:38:20 <Yanroy> now that's service
Aug 30 00:38:29 <Yanroy> I don't believe I've tried Yuengling before
Aug 30 00:38:53 <Yanroy> I've been collecting unique beer bottle caps to make a top for my bar... might have to go get that one
Aug 30 00:39:08 <Dave> ~sex OMBugsBot
Aug 30 00:39:12 <Dave> :p
Aug 30 00:39:48 <mmontour> Yanroy: have you had good audio quality on the phone?
Aug 30 00:39:56 <Yanroy> mmontour: much better than 2007.2
Aug 30 00:40:09 <Yanroy> I haven't had any of the buzzing or echoing (with either image)
Aug 30 00:40:33 <Yanroy> it's still a little quieter in the ear than I would like, but ppl on the other end seem to have no trouble hearing me
Aug 30 00:40:52 <mmontour> It looks like there's finally some progress on the echo issue - some magic Calypso AT% commands
Aug 30 00:41:11 <edistar> lpotter: may I ask you something? http://nopaste.org/p/aa6RAx6mob anything I can do here except flash a new image?
Aug 30 00:41:18 <Yanroy> well, I never had that issue, so I don't know what all the fuss is about :P
Aug 30 00:41:49 <edistar> mmontour: magic commands for noise reduction, not echo reduction
Aug 30 00:42:17 * Yanroy wonders why his laptop screen just blanked out for a sec
Aug 30 00:42:20 <mmontour> Echo suppression, from what I read (but I haven't had time to try it yet)
Aug 30 00:42:22 <edistar> afaik echo cancellation is quite difficult
Aug 30 00:42:44 <mmontour> yeah, not cancellation, just muting the mic when the other person is talking
Aug 30 00:42:46 <matholio_> can anyone help me retrieve gps data via python ?
Aug 30 00:43:01 <Yanroy> matholio_: you can always just cat the tty...
Aug 30 00:43:39 <isprins> I suggest these names for GTA05
Aug 30 00:43:39 <isprins> Neo Unity
Aug 30 00:43:39 <isprins> Neo Meridian
Aug 30 00:43:39 <isprins> Neo Elysian
Aug 30 00:43:39 <isprins> Neo Gladsheim
Aug 30 00:43:39 <isprins> Neo Ignis
Aug 30 00:43:41 <isprins> Neo Yggdrasil  Any comments ?
Aug 30 00:43:47 <matholio_> I was hoping to get an example of python/fso/dbus/gps
Aug 30 00:43:48 <Dave> o_o
Aug 30 00:44:00 <Dave> eh? APIs?
Aug 30 00:44:02 <Yanroy> isprins: firstly, don't flood... secondly, where'd you get those from?
Aug 30 00:44:13 <Yanroy> isprins: and why 05?  wha tabout 03 and 04?
Aug 30 00:44:19 <isprins> yanroy: from my head ;P
Aug 30 00:44:23 <Dave> heh
Aug 30 00:44:29 <SpeedEvil> Neo Fight!
Aug 30 00:44:50 <mmontour> isprins: GTA05 = "Neo Nukem Forever"
Aug 30 00:45:01 <SpeedEvil> Neo Tony
Aug 30 00:45:12 <edistar> isprins: you mailed that already
Aug 30 00:45:27 <Yanroy> we could always name them after moons...
Aug 30 00:45:33 <isprins> mhm
Aug 30 00:45:37 <Yanroy> I hear uranus has quite a few moons no one has ever heard of
Aug 30 00:45:37 <edistar> or after me :P
Aug 30 00:45:56 <Yanroy> or we could name it after stars
Aug 30 00:46:02 <Yanroy> so like NGC15443-124A
Aug 30 00:46:15 <matholio_> as if naming future devices even matters.
Aug 30 00:46:27 <SpeedEvil> Neo - Shumacker-Levy 9
Aug 30 00:46:38 <Yanroy> I think we should just name them after the md5 hashes of their electrical schematics
Aug 30 00:46:43 <SpeedEvil> (It falls into bits, then smashes into the floor and explodes)
Aug 30 00:46:45 <isprins> i like unity and gladsheim
Aug 30 00:47:19 <mmontour> "Unity" is nicely ironic, considering the number of forked software distros that will exist for it by then
Aug 30 00:47:55 <Yanroy> mmontour: unless there is one charismatic leader that can trick them into uniting and then rule them with an iron fist
Aug 30 00:48:10 <matholio_> if the project doesn't tank before first.
Aug 30 00:48:18 <Yanroy> I'm not worried about that
Aug 30 00:48:27 <zedstar_> i imagine Neo Nazi is probably not on the list
Aug 30 00:48:37 <Yanroy> I'll keep working on it, even if no one else does, simply because I own the damn thing and I want it to do stuff
Aug 30 00:48:47 <isprins> mmontour: well, the name unity is because it can connect and do so mutch
Aug 30 00:48:57 <Yanroy> Neo Libertarian?
Aug 30 00:49:12 <Dave> haw
Aug 30 00:49:14 <Dave> Terrible.
Aug 30 00:49:19 <Dave> Neo Communist
Aug 30 00:49:25 <Dave> is at least more appropraite
Aug 30 00:49:28 <Dave> appropriate
Aug 30 00:49:31 <b0ib0t> i just got done playing the worst commercial game ever made
Aug 30 00:49:36 <Dave> Hardly
Aug 30 00:49:40 <b0ib0t> i cant believe i paid 49.99 for it
Aug 30 00:49:45 <b0ib0t> someone shoot me D=
Aug 30 00:49:47 <Yanroy> I can't believe its not butter
Aug 30 00:49:57 <Dave> Tour Guide Barbie's Safari 2?
Aug 30 00:50:01 <b0ib0t> Space Siege
Aug 30 00:50:07 <b0ib0t> NEVER NEVER BUY THIS
Aug 30 00:50:16 <Dave> yOu'd be better off playing asteroidz
Aug 30 00:50:21 <Dave> or vectoroids :P
Aug 30 00:50:24 <Dave> with no keyboard
Aug 30 00:50:24 <Dave> :P
Aug 30 00:50:25 <b0ib0t> barbie would be much more action
Aug 30 00:50:30 <Dave> hahaha ;D
Aug 30 00:50:33 <Dave> haha, probably
Aug 30 00:50:51 <edistar> Dave: communist would be fun ;)
Aug 30 00:50:57 <paroneayea> YESSSSSSSSSSSSS
Aug 30 00:50:57 <Dave> Indeed. :)
Aug 30 00:51:02 <b0ib0t> can freerunner run a sega emulator?
Aug 30 00:51:04 <paroneayea> I finally got audio working!
Aug 30 00:51:09 <paroneayea> on debian
Aug 30 00:51:13 <b0ib0t> vectorman would be cool
Aug 30 00:51:16 <Dave> I don't see why not
Aug 30 00:51:18 <b0ib0t> or sonic the hedgehog
Aug 30 00:51:21 <Dave> it runs snes9x barely
Aug 30 00:51:26 <b0ib0t> lol
Aug 30 00:51:26 <Dave> but it's brokenish
Aug 30 00:51:30 <Dave> and fucks up your system
Aug 30 00:51:30 <paroneayea> what about zsnes?
Aug 30 00:51:31 <b0ib0t> so dosbox would be a big no
Aug 30 00:51:35 <ieatlint> Dave, http://tehinterweb.com/testapp.png
Aug 30 00:51:36 <Dave> paron, no
Aug 30 00:51:37 <b0ib0t> would be cool to play tombraider
Aug 30 00:51:38 <Dave> LINT
Aug 30 00:51:38 <zedstar_> Neo Android
Aug 30 00:51:41 <paroneayea> orite, that's like, x86 only
Aug 30 00:51:49 <ieatlint> err... 404 :)
Aug 30 00:51:50 <paroneayea> I forget *why*
Aug 30 00:51:55 <Yanroy> hey, how does one set up the daily feeds for 2008.8?
Aug 30 00:51:58 <isprins> http://starwraith3dgames.home.att.net/arvoch/index.htm nice game, but no linux version :(
Aug 30 00:52:03 <Dave> :o
Aug 30 00:52:15 <ieatlint> err, no, wait, that link is good
Aug 30 00:52:17 <Dave> paron, no, it's windows only
Aug 30 00:52:19 <Dave> and fuck that
Aug 30 00:52:33 <Dave> lint :D
Aug 30 00:52:35 <Dave> yeah it's fine :D
Aug 30 00:52:50 <ieatlint> Dave, i wrote that in under 3 hours with my library...
Aug 30 00:52:55 <Dave> yeah that's cute and whatnot...
Aug 30 00:53:09 <Dave> I've already been working up my own... I'm sorry to say :\
Aug 30 00:53:12 <ieatlint> compared to http://www.nextmuni.com/predictor/simplePrediction.shtml?a=sf-muni&r=29&d=23077&s=BOWLLIN0
Aug 30 00:53:21 <Dave> heh
Aug 30 00:53:25 <Dave> yeah
Aug 30 00:53:28 <ieatlint> (hah, you can tell from the predictions that screenshot is 3min old)
Aug 30 00:53:28 <Dave> clearly based off
Aug 30 00:53:31 <Dave> :)
Aug 30 00:53:52 <Dave> I still have my bus pass :)
Aug 30 00:54:04 <ieatlint> Dave, it was a test/demo app :P
Aug 30 00:54:25 <Dave> I know, I know :P
Aug 30 00:54:29 <ieatlint> hence the reason i went for the awesome name
Aug 30 00:54:29 <Dave> not bad ;)
Aug 30 00:54:34 <matholio_> hay all, I just updated my debian-fso and not the pointer calibration is way off, any ideas ?
Aug 30 00:54:34 <Dave> INDEED
Aug 30 00:54:55 <Dave> just make sure when you release it to the public to remove those hysterical exception messages
Aug 30 00:55:02 <Dave> (don't do as I did) :D
Aug 30 00:55:07 <ieatlint> lol
Aug 30 00:55:11 * Dave falls out of his chair
Aug 30 00:55:13 <ieatlint> there are no crazy messages from me
Aug 30 00:55:19 <ieatlint> except for one
Aug 30 00:55:20 <Dave> good times... :P
Aug 30 00:55:23 <ieatlint> but it was intentional
Aug 30 00:55:25 <Dave> :)
Aug 30 00:55:32 <Dave> No secret messages directed to me?
Aug 30 00:56:20 <ieatlint> i dunno.. are you gay and your name actually fred?
Aug 30 00:56:29 <Dave> Uhh, no.
Aug 30 00:56:44 <ieatlint> then nope
Aug 30 00:56:48 <Dave> :[
Aug 30 00:56:52 <Dave> I'm so disheartened :P
Aug 30 00:56:58 <ieatlint> i did however just find a bottle of valium i thought i'd lost
Aug 30 00:57:03 <Dave> O_o
Aug 30 00:57:20 <Dave> Good news, I just saved 15% on my car insurance...?
Aug 30 00:57:46 <Dave> Bad news, nobody, the supercollider just superexploded!...
Aug 30 00:58:22 <isprins> dave: the HLC ?:O
Aug 30 00:58:26 <LuYu> too bad, that would have saved you on gas milage
Aug 30 00:59:05 <Dave> haha
Aug 30 00:59:14 <Dave> I could probably save 250% if I moved out of state.
Aug 30 00:59:15 <LuYu> although i wonder how would have got it in your trunk
Aug 30 00:59:22 <isprins> Large Hadron Collider
Aug 30 00:59:28 <Dave> :p
Aug 30 00:59:37 <LuYu> SHC
Aug 30 00:59:40 <Dave> isprins, certanly not in my trunk.
Aug 30 00:59:54 <Dave> Stable Hybrid Copter?
Aug 30 01:00:10 <LuYu> that would kill your gas milage
Aug 30 01:00:15 <LuYu> but it would be fun
Aug 30 01:00:28 <LuYu> actually
Aug 30 01:00:31 <LuYu> uHC
Aug 30 01:00:49 <LuYu> micro hadron collider (for your trunk)
Aug 30 01:00:52 <edistar> lpotter: ping
Aug 30 01:01:10 <isprins> i got mail form Frode Veierud, he works at CERN
Aug 30 01:01:15 <LuYu> that way it wont be confused with a copter
Aug 30 01:01:17 <Dave> Plutonium powered pontiacs ftw :p
Aug 30 01:01:32 <LuYu> sounds like detroit to me
Aug 30 01:01:34 <SpeedEvil> pink pontiacs?
Aug 30 01:03:15 <isprins> dar she blew
Aug 30 01:03:48 <Dave> BOOM
Aug 30 01:03:55 <isprins> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider#Safety_of_particle_collisions   
Aug 30 01:04:06 <Dave> in my stomach?
Aug 30 01:04:17 <lpotter> edistar: pong
Aug 30 01:04:26 <isprins> read the "Operational safety"...
Aug 30 01:04:33 <edistar> lpotter: any good browser available for qtopia?
Aug 30 01:04:41 <lpotter> not yet :)
Aug 30 01:04:53 <lpotter> 4.4 will have a simple one based on webkit
Aug 30 01:05:18 <Dave> except 4.4 won't be available forever, likely.
Aug 30 01:05:22 <Dave> (no offense)
Aug 30 01:14:41 <ieatlint> you know, the verb emaciate is so rarely used in the active form...
Aug 30 01:15:01 <baird> Has anyone already suggested using ReMoko to recognize sign language..? (not fingerspelling, but the 'word-guestures' like Auslan has a lot of..)
Aug 30 01:15:20 <Dave> ieatlint, shall I provide an active demonstration?
Aug 30 01:15:26 <Dave> :P
Aug 30 01:15:30 <tunys> netsplits are so much fun
Aug 30 01:15:53 <ieatlint> i'm going to go shower and then drive to the south bay.. bbl
Aug 30 01:17:04 <isprins> does anyone have opinions on this one ?  http://www.imcosys.com/html/smartphone1.html
Aug 30 01:17:05 <Dave> good luck
Aug 30 01:17:07 <Dave> don't get picked up
Aug 30 01:18:28 <edistar> isprins: not really superv
Aug 30 01:18:37 <isprins> strange, it is not possible to download the user manual from imcosys's page..
Aug 30 01:19:46 <edistar> isprins: doesn't look very open to me
Aug 30 01:20:48 <Dave> haha superb?
Aug 30 01:21:12 <isprins> edistar: i mailed them and asked why it is not possible to download the manuals.. that was 4 days ago..
Aug 30 01:21:18 <isprins> no answer yet.
Aug 30 01:21:39 <edistar> Dave: yeah, superb
Aug 30 01:22:17 <admiral0> hi
Aug 30 01:22:30 <admiral0> is anybody online?
Aug 30 01:22:36 <admiral0> ..
Aug 30 01:22:38 <lpotter> Dave: 4.4 will be available to everyone but you. sorry :)
Aug 30 01:22:39 <admiral0> alive
Aug 30 01:22:47 <isprins> and no existing reviews on the net... suspicious...
Aug 30 01:23:17 <Dave> Cool
Aug 30 01:23:20 <Dave> sounds about right, anyway
Aug 30 01:23:40 <Dave> I'll probably get lost on the trolltech website for a week, anyhow.
Aug 30 01:23:42 <Dave> :)
Aug 30 01:23:49 <edistar> admiral0: no
Aug 30 01:24:12 <isprins> perhaps it is a hoax ?
Aug 30 01:24:13 <lpotter> i put in some secret code if(DavesNeo) dumpCore(true);
Aug 30 01:24:53 <Dave> :D
Aug 30 01:24:57 <admiral0> edistar lol
Aug 30 01:24:59 <Dave> Lpotter, want my entire MAC range?
Aug 30 01:25:13 <lpotter> oh! that'd be a better way
Aug 30 01:25:15 <Dave> :)
Aug 30 01:25:31 <Dave> oh the other hand, this will only further my pestering you ;)
Aug 30 01:25:35 <Dave> but I think it'd be fun.
Aug 30 01:25:36 <admiral0> in my time zone it's 3am
Aug 30 01:25:48 <Dave> Admiral Standard Time?
Aug 30 01:26:05 <admiral0> no
Aug 30 01:26:13 <admiral0> after hour standard time :D
Aug 30 01:27:46 <lpotter> if(DavesNeo) runClockBackwards();
Aug 30 01:28:13 <edistar> :D
Aug 30 01:28:28 <Dave> ooh, cool
Aug 30 01:28:51 <Dave> runClockBackwards? does that call the flux capacitor helper functions?
Aug 30 01:29:01 <Dave> :P
Aug 30 01:30:43 <isprins> if (isprins'neo) explode ();  
Aug 30 01:31:58 <isprins> i had a rechargeable battery that exploded..  
Aug 30 01:32:56 <edistar> lpotter: has the white screen of death disappeared?
Aug 30 01:33:48 <lpotter> i havent seen it
Aug 30 01:34:25 <edistar> ;)
Aug 30 01:34:38 <lpotter> only on Daves Neo
Aug 30 01:38:49 * admiral0 + beer = good programming
Aug 30 01:39:06 * chillywilly ate too much chinese food
Aug 30 01:39:20 <chillywilly> the moo shu beef is awesome
Aug 30 01:39:41 <admiral0> i prefer beer
Aug 30 01:40:00 <chillywilly> yes, I also had some beerz
Aug 30 01:40:07 <chillywilly> real WI microbrews
Aug 30 01:40:14 <chillywilly> like spotted cow
Aug 30 01:40:18 <chillywilly> mmmmm
Aug 30 01:40:32 <chillywilly> New Glarus, WI represent!
Aug 30 01:40:38 <_charly_> hi :)
Aug 30 01:41:12 <virac> anyone have the qtopia 4.3.2 for fr that they could send me the qtopia site is down
Aug 30 01:41:30 <isprins> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/Flux1.jpg
Aug 30 01:43:34 <_charly_> is there a way to save the trip as log in tangogps? i forgot to start track recording :/
Aug 30 01:44:33 <edistar> n8
Aug 30 01:45:17 <isprins> chillywilly: do you make beer yourself ?
Aug 30 01:47:33 <Dave> oh great, not this again.
Aug 30 01:49:05 <isprins> <- makes his own beer
Aug 30 01:49:17 <chillywilly> No I do not
Aug 30 01:49:20 <admiral0> O_O
Aug 30 01:49:20 <chillywilly> my dad does
Aug 30 01:49:23 <chillywilly> er, used to
Aug 30 01:49:40 <chillywilly> can't make beer if you're not alive
Aug 30 01:50:01 <CVirus> LOL
Aug 30 01:50:10 <isprins> chillywilly: ever heard about gruit ?
Aug 30 01:50:21 <chillywilly> doesn't sound familiar
Aug 30 01:50:28 <isprins> http://www.gruitale.com/intro_en.htm
Aug 30 01:51:40 <isprins> it is a extremely old type of beer, the first written occurence of gruit is in a document that dates 1365
Aug 30 01:52:10 <chillywilly> hmmmm, I can't imagine beer without hops
Aug 30 01:52:21 <slaxxin> what has to be done to connect to wifi more than once?
Aug 30 01:52:23 <Dave> sounds more like a cloak and dagger type of affair
Aug 30 01:52:25 <chillywilly> must taste weird ;P
Aug 30 01:52:37 <Dave> wifi, beer...
Aug 30 01:52:48 <Dave> it's all one giant confusing process
Aug 30 01:52:51 <isprins> chillywilly: it thatses herbs, quite good actually
Aug 30 01:54:22 <slaxxin> i saw an old moonshiner make  his stuff once  an tasted the beer before he ran the still  an it was   really good only it looked like sewage
Aug 30 01:55:06 <Dave> haha
Aug 30 01:55:11 <Dave> eww :p
Aug 30 01:55:12 <isprins> slaxxin: that is not beer.. it is called mash i thing.. or "sats" in norwegian
Aug 30 01:55:25 <chillywilly> correct
Aug 30 01:55:25 <slaxxin> yea thats it
Aug 30 01:55:25 <Dave> er du norsk? :D
Aug 30 01:55:31 <isprins> jepp
Aug 30 01:55:34 <Dave> :DDDD
Aug 30 01:55:44 <slaxxin> apple shine   mmmmmmm mmmm
Aug 30 01:56:56 <slaxxin> why is it   2008.8 only connects once to the wifi?
Aug 30 01:57:14 <slaxxin> according to wiki
Aug 30 01:57:29 <slaxxin> thats seems to be a problem
Aug 30 01:57:52 <slaxxin> i wanna connect  so i can run me battery down faster
Aug 30 01:58:20 <Dave> heh
Aug 30 01:58:30 <slaxxin> i have 3
Aug 30 02:07:05 <isprins> i am constructing my own nanobrewery, made out of recycled diary pipes.. All 304/316 Stainless steel
Aug 30 02:07:18 <Dave> sounds awesome :D
Aug 30 02:08:11 <isprins> i will post pictures to my blog when it is finished
Aug 30 02:08:43 <johngay> Evening everybody.
Aug 30 02:10:18 <Kamping_Kaiser> woot. decreased levels of brick on my FR
Aug 30 02:10:50 <johngay> This upgrade is taking ages /-:
Aug 30 02:13:09 <slaxxin> johngay     i cant connect to wifi        again   but i did once    what am i doing wrong:)
Aug 30 02:13:39 <slaxxin> #turn on wifi  an run 
Aug 30 02:13:39 <slaxxin>  ifconfig eth0 up && if config usb0 down
Aug 30 02:13:39 <slaxxin>  iwlist eth0 scan
Aug 30 02:13:39 <slaxxin>  iwconfig eth0 essid Foo
Aug 30 02:13:39 <slaxxin>  udhcpc
Aug 30 02:13:45 <slaxxin>  i did that
Aug 30 02:13:56 <slaxxin> access point is open
Aug 30 02:14:51 <slaxxin> that upgraded 20908.8 looks like everything
Aug 30 02:15:06 <johngay> Don't know. I only use iwconfig eth0 essid Foo and udhcpc
Aug 30 02:15:37 <slaxxin> ok   i dont have to kill the usb first?
Aug 30 02:16:15 <johngay> I don't. I'm running usb to the laptop and wifi at the same time now.
Aug 30 02:17:36 <mmontour> you don't have to kill usb. You do have to make sure that you have only 1 default route, either through usb or through wifi
Aug 30 02:17:41 <doc|home> hmmm, anyone notice qtopia having a habit of not coming out of suspend, even following removing the battery, until you power usb?
Aug 30 02:18:16 <slaxxin> thank you mmontour
Aug 30 02:19:10 <mmontour> btw my wifi is flaky, only connects about half the time (with no changes in my config). So you might try rebooting a couple of times if you can't get it to work
Aug 30 02:19:49 <slaxxin> it worked with tose commands john gave me   thanks
Aug 30 02:22:32 <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry, i think this is old news (my image is old) - are fic-gta02 and neo1973 package feed depreciated?
Aug 30 02:23:12 <johngay> Just realised I didn't activate my wifi, no wonder the upgrade was so slow
Aug 30 02:26:05 <Roy_M> Hi I think I am having some problems with my phone becuase I have nulls in the contacts. Does anyone know how to remove nulls from the contacts from the cli as the normal interface is not working properly
Aug 30 02:29:32 <CVirus> Roy_M: I remeber this was discussed on the mailing list ... let me find it for you
Aug 30 02:30:01 <johngay> I'm reading lwn.net on my FR as I do an opkg upgrade via PuTTY on my Daughters Vista Laptop (-:
Aug 30 02:30:37 <CVirus> And why is your daughter using vista ?
Aug 30 02:30:39 <CVirus> :-p
Aug 30 02:31:04 <johngay> It's what came on it and she's a teenager
Aug 30 02:31:31 <isprins> vista.. *shudders*
Aug 30 02:31:35 <johngay> I don't have ssh on my Linux box.
Aug 30 02:32:06 <CVirus> Roy_M: can't find it ... search the wiki .. I think a script lies there that can fix your problem
Aug 30 02:32:33 <Roy_M> sure thanks CVirus
Aug 30 02:32:50 <CVirus> johngay: my sister is 6 and she uses gentoo .... my other sister is 16 and uses ubuntu
Aug 30 02:34:27 <johngay> My daughter used a fat X Client 386 when she was 12, and used thin clients throughout secondary school.
Aug 30 02:34:55 <CVirus> haha :-D
Aug 30 02:34:56 <johngay> But now she's 19 and hates Linux because dad uses it.
Aug 30 02:35:25 <Stroller> Linux - an operating system for girls
Aug 30 02:35:58 <Stroller> johngay: What does she use now? 
Aug 30 02:36:03 * CVirus is 19 and loves Linux :-p
Aug 30 02:36:14 <johngay> Vista )-=
Aug 30 02:36:21 <Stroller> How to tell if you've succeeded as a father: BSD
Aug 30 02:36:21 <Stroller> failure: Windows
Aug 30 02:36:29 <CVirus> hahaha
Aug 30 02:44:54 <lpotter> my son is 2 and uses a mac
Aug 30 02:48:29 <swc|666> my daughter will code asm @ 3
Aug 30 02:50:02 <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
Aug 30 02:52:26 <johngay> this is the third time I've tried opkg update && opkg upgrade
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